Ep. 196: "The White Fresh Crüe"
  
   
 
 
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     this episode of Roderick on the wine is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sponsored by cards against humanity this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     month they asked the double clicks to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     help me say hi to john 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     good I i had some audio problems there 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then I realized what I had done is I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had muted muted the computer 
     
     
  
 
 
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     oh whatever happened to you i'm betting 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happens dormant yeah yeah i was watching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     The Young Ones last night on the YouTube 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then I i I'm muted it after a while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I just wanted to capture the visual 
     
     
  
 
 
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     components of civilians stick 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I muted I think because it didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it because it wasn't as great as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I remembered it being when in 1984 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that's that that's that's a tall 
     
     
  
 
 
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     order yeah it's still it's still pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
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     manic did you watch University Challenge 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I did ya boy it's got its moments though 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you Lori Lori you get that get the m 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thompson yes team right all Emma 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Thompson isn't she wonderful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mm you got you got to your head yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Motorhead's there who all the greats in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     des moines animated sock at one point I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     think so and there's a yeah there are a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     few there's an animated sock that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     washing machines rebell but let let's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not talk about the young ones as much as 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I want to my this layers you know you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got the other got to get a story you got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     your laundry gotta be story University 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Challenge you gotta see story which is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     no really really needs to use the toilet 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah if it keeps in his buzzer that's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
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     really have to go there's an episode of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that show i don't think it's that 1i but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it might be is that the wonders of this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     very brief like 30 second flash where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they all play each other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah that there is that and that's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     and then you only ever heard the guy who 
     
     
  
 
 
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     plays Neil I mean I don't unfamiliar 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with stuff he's done outside of their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's so weird to hear him not being Neil 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well yeah and and Rick does such a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     fantastic impression million billion 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you're like oh wow that's a while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that was really good you know then that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     show actually did introduce me to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Motorhead I had no experience of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     motörhead until nineteen eighty-four 
     
     
  
 
 
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     whatever when I saw a Motorhead perform 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ace of spades on the young ones and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     said whatever the hell kind of music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that is I want it i'm gonna- name 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah yeah well i would go so far as to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say that with the exception of glycine 
     
     
  
 
 
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     remember very well i would say madness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with the exception of maybe like madness 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and they can you eat the man that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     date when the damn door on there when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were in their vampire looking stage 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I knew about the Damned because i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was a big fan of Captain sensible oh I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     asked one of those names i just know 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     captain sensible was a member of the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Damned and he had a single very early on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in mtv single called Walt wot ? huh 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the chorus to which meant i said captain 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they said captain I said one is a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     so why this video like Captain so what 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then some mother with lyrics is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where it's almost a little bit papi 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well yeah it's it's sort of its little 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rappy and he is walking around sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     English and a hundred Allah o always 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thought it was public housing but maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it is a hotel and and I really really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     connected with that song when i was 13 
     
     
  
 
 
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     or 14 and sew them then I they learn 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the damned backwards which I guess 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know how we're gonna do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     african-american and Puerto Rican people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in particular from New York City get a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     credit for hip-hop mhm i don't think we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     give enough credit all the way people to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     help hip-hop well-proven colons and cute 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and columnist Mike use all that was I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mean that's the Rosetta Stone of Rapids 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah it goes do you take James Brown you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     take your George Clinton but let's be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honest it goes all the way back to a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     italian comedian yeah yeah who's making 
     
     
  
 
 
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     up who's making mouth sounds let you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know so sure I mean he's word let's be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honest he basically created rap 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah but then any would wrap have gotten 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     if it weren't for Captain sensible if it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weren't for uh Falco right if it weren't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     for blondie right they really 
     
     
  
 
 
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     popularized the genre i think so yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah they should there should be like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     baseball hall-of-fame except for the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     white people that really help wrap it in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     accountancy minnetonka know my parade 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure and what about well now i'm trying 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to think did did annoying lift balloon 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now that's such a rap song 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see that's a you know just the Germans 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just the Germans and the Austrians alone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that that helped popularize wrap that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a really good point i don't think i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     don't think white germanic peoples get 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the credit they deserve well for most 
     
     
  
 
 
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     things that don't 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well that's true that's good very 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well-organized think about how I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the trains no sure I do I think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about the trains know I know you pop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would have gotten bigger if they spend 
     
     
  
 
 
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     more time doing German versions of songs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like EE take something you know like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rappers delight I think if they done in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     German as well apparently they did that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like very quickly you know and like a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yeah well it'sit's it shows be given 
     
     
  
 
 
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     given the amount of technical and vocal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     dexterity that is required in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     contemporary rap when you listen to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Sugar Hill Gang we listen to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     original original like formative Rap 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Tracks it really does feel like people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     are improvising some words and i think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     one of the dudes the kids biggest part 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was ghostwritten I know this from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     probably a public radio show tonight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I know about rappers lame also also 
     
     
  
 
 
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     something that really popular 
     
     
  
 
 
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     strap public radio well I think could be 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honest with you I think I don't think 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Public Radio gets the credit it deserves 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you're right for making hip hop as big 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as it is it is you know you you have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you've opened a a a whole line of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     inquiry there needs to be a netflix 
     
     
  
 
 
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     series about this that enough with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     weed documentaries enough with the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     documentaries about food 
     
     
  
 
 
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     how about a six-part documentary on 
     
     
  
 
 
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     history of white people in rap music 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like you're like your crazy uncle yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
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     here's my name and I'm here to say like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     at the wedding reception you know for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sure well you know I actually have some 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is awful 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what I'm about to reveal but pre beastie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     boys gonna say 84 my friends and I had a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     hmm Wow and utterly days it and this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this is terrible but we were called the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     white fresh crew the weight freshman 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right yeah and we were Alaska that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right it does everything it says on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tin except for being fresh and being a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     we were created has been the white and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i'm pretty sure that we sculpt crew like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Motley Crue oh nice ride the white fresh 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     uh-huh and what we didn't I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
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     embarrassed about this but it's hot it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     maybe is hard to imagine it's almost 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like a alternate universe door that we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     didn't step through but we would on a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     friday night go into my basement and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     beatbox out here and rap to each other 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just and it was just the three or four 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of us and we wouldn't we would march in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a circle right so we'd start walking and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then we would take turns improvin and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and but we will but we're marching right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because because i am I don't know maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the maybe the look or the rhythm of like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     four guys standing in a circle and of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     arms in a penis or like boom boom you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     know like yo-yo way maybe that had 
     
     
  
 
 
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     evolved yet more like a like a street 
     
     
  
 
 
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     corner and less like a circle jerk 
     
     
  
 
 
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     should have some emotion and what we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were moving right yeah sure marching 
     
     
  
 
 
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     marching in a circle and we were kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we were so we're doing the exact thing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that we're wrapping into the center of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the circle right we were marching like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     rapping in the back of our heads we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrapping into the middle but we were we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     were emotion it's gonna get that kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     breakdancing vibe we got people kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shucking and jiving next circle that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right that's right and we were we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with there was a breakdancing element 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but none of us would would would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     necessarily try to try to do any 
     
     
  
 
 
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     breaking but a you know it was tall 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrapping around here where the white 
     
     
  
 
 
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     first crew and we take no crap you dish 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it out and it don't come back type of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     run DMC style rhymes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah I caught the 123456 around yeah and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     we do this we did this for quite a while 
     
     
  
 
 
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     as a as a sort of you know friday 
     
     
  
 
 
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     evening half rack of beer and we were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     not we were doing it out of a kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just pure enthusiasm for the style so 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this was so we were fans of DMC and the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     boogie boys and and the this like first 
     
     
  
 
 
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     generation of popularized like but rap 
     
     
  
 
 
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     music that had be become popularized to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to mainstream right well i mean let me 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ask you this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I know you and I are famously fast and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     loose with dates and I'm not trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     pin you down can you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it helps the story a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     can you really mostly locate that in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around nineteen eighty-four cuz that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would also be around the time of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Flashdance yeah which I mean select the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     right there at that I knew was like I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     knew the Apache song I knew about you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you know I knew the the rapper's delight 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and you rapture I don't think it even 
     
     
  
 
 
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     heard nucleus yet jam on it was the one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that made me fall in love with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wrap-around i love jam on it with a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     little funny voice Wicky Wicky Wicky 
     
     
  
 
 
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     shut up you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but the 94 is a big year because thats 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you got it was really crossing over into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     like those videos there was there was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     famously there was breakdancing in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Flashdance remember she comes she joins 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in with the kids that cute hat and she 
     
     
  
 
 
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     comes out and dances there was before 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was the year that rap broke 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what was the year of the movie breakin a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     break-in break-in came out drinking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     drinking prime I'm not easy for ya 
     
     
  
 
 
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     breaking came out in 84 and you know and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that should have been a second one of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     well they did that like electric blue 
     
     
  
 
 
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     sad you it's the canonical second movie 
     
     
  
 
 
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     chip break-in and 84 so breaking came 
     
     
  
 
 
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     out and I feel like I mean you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     again we're talking about anchorage but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this was the this was them i think the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     exact moment when Alaska k the culture 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Alaska caught up to the culture in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     America and now the two cultures were 
     
     
  
 
 
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     happening simultaneous with water 
     
     
  
 
 
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     contemporaneously right up until that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point all of our television was on a was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on a week delay because the Carson show 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would happen and then they would 
     
     
  
 
 
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     literally bundle the tapes up and fly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     them to Alaska and play them you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:15
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     play them the following week 
     
     
  
 
 
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     wow so but even worse than that most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:22
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     cultural things disco and so forth like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:24
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     ► 
     disco arrived in anchorage in about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:27
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     ► 
     nineteen eighty years 79 right it was it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:31
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     was it was like time-delayed it was it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     was time delay all culture was sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:35
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     time delayed up there and in some ways 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that still is because if you get off an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:39
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     ► 
     airplane in in Anchorage now it feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:41
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     ► 
     like it's 1994 i can tell you almost i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:44
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     ► 
     think i can tell you almost everything i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:45
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     know about Alaska in like four bullets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:49
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     it's one of those two last States we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:51
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     ► 
     strapped on that's right ok you got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:53
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     ► 
     baked alaska which is really fancy fancy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:12:55
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     ► 
     dessert on Alaska is where where Santa 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lives which is not actually correct and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:02
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     you've got uh you got that everything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:05
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     that the footnote at the bottom very 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:13:07
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     prices something like prices higher in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:09
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     Alaska Hawaii 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:10
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     ► 
     yeah I don't think that even happens 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:12
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     ► 
     anymore i think that's from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:13
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     ► 
     seventies to that was always I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:15
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     ► 
     every series commercial or whatever and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:16
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     ► 
     Sergeant my gosh what one must be so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:18
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     ► 
     difficult about that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:19
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     ► 
     well yeah that you have to put it on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:21
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     ► 
     seal and barge but but in 1984 right we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:26
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     ► 
     finally all had MTV and and it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:30
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     ► 
     happening cable TV allowed things to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:33
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     ► 
     happen in real time and so we were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:35
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     ► 
     seeing what America was seeing I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:39
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     ► 
     almost like time travel is also he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:40
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     ► 
     skipped two years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:41
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     ► 
     yeah we did it was just like everything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:43
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     got really fast all of a sudden and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:46
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     ► 
     we're we were up there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:47
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     ► 
     formerly still really enthralled with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:51
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     ► 
     Boston second record and then all of a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:55
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     ► 
     sudden like rap music descended upon us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:13:58
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     ► 
     and and new wave and pumpkin all sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:02
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     ► 
     arrived at once in 80 81 82 so anyway 84 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:08
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     ► 
     yeah we're up there and and at that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:10
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     ► 
     point there wasn't any there wasn't any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:16
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     ► 
     indication that that there would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:20
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     ► 
     white rappers but but also there wasn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:25
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     ► 
     it was still sort of that mix of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:27
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     ► 
     there wasn't any indication that there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:29
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     ► 
     would never be a white Michael Jackson 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:30
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     ► 
     either but didn't keep us all from being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:33
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     ► 
     michael jackson all the time until at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:36
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     ► 
     least tomorrow is it was it was uniquely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:37
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     ► 
     located I mean I learned in retrospect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:39
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     ► 
     that there are many other there's lots 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:41
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     ► 
     there's lots more to it than the obvious 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:42
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     ► 
     stuff but the stuff we knew about was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:44
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     ► 
     mostly black people in a very urban 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:46
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     ► 
     setting in New York like maybe even in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:47
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     ► 
     identified as a borough of New York i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:50
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     ► 
     will so that's in the seventies i think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:51
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     ► 
     by the early eighties it had it had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:53
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     ► 
     disseminated they disseminated pretty 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:14:57
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     ► 
     widely it was just that it didn't mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:00
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     ► 
     in the public eye 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:01
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     ► 
     what ya bum ya you mean to white people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:05
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     ► 
     well yeah I mean I'm here looking at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:07
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     ► 
     wikipedia page 494 hop hop and you got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:10
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     ► 
     you run DMC the first run DMC record you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:12
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     ► 
     got Houdini right although 1984 the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:15
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     ► 
     first run DMC record which which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:17
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     ► 
     descended upon us like a like a thousand 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:15:21
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     ► 
     right that we knew every word in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:24
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     ► 
     album Mike my group of friends and I and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:27
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     ► 
     whatever was crazy was when that beastie 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:29
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     ► 
     boys record came out which was in 86 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     only a couple years later it was it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that weird feeling like wait a minute we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:38
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     ► 
     thought of this but if we were doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:40
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     ► 
     this exact thing that could have been us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:42
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     ► 
     it could have been us 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:44
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     ► 
     yeah they could have come from Alaska 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:46
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     ► 
     instead of three Jewish kids from from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:48
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     ► 
     the lower east side if we could have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:51
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     ► 
     been the Alaska Beastie Boys and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:54
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     ► 
     there was a lot of I felt a lot of sort 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of resentment to that first pc boys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:15:59
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     ► 
     record because it was almost exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:01
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     ► 
     what we would have done right whiny 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:03
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     ► 
     drinky like you would a person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:06
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     ► 
     essentially helped to liven up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:09
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     ► 
     refresh the genre with a whole new spin 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:12
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     ► 
     and and and production like nobody's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:14
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     ► 
     ever heard before 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:15
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     ► 
     well but it was it like automatically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:17
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     ► 
     right the beastie boys did not try to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:20
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     ► 
     anything that they weren't all right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah they were just like we are not just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:24
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     ► 
     kids where snot-nosed kids and these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:26
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     ► 
     songs are about masturbation and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     drinking beer and aspiring to be to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cool and that that's you know that was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kind of the that was what was cool about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:38
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     ► 
     them but that is also what would have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:41
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     ► 
     been cool about the white fresh crew 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     crew didn't have a tree since John I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:47
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     ► 
     don't know we mean only started having a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:49
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     ► 
     lot over the you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:51
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     ► 
     oh yes it did it I mean that we didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we spend a lot more time drawing album 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:16:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     covers for the truly awful band which 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was which was our other music act truly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     awful man in the white fresh crew were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pretty much the same members and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     same and the same era as a lot easier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     talking about did the stratosphere tense 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     situation yeah exactly exactly were the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we were the head cotys as well as being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the head coats 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 00:17:22
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     ► 
     but but alas neither neither act mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the truly awful band actually played a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     couple of shows who I think the I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if we get our rap i think maybe we we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tried to wrap at a party once where r 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where female a component was their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     female component of my gang 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah and the girls in my gang worse were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stronger than the boys as is also often 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:17:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the case and they scorned us we started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to wrap in a circle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm sorry I'm gonna hurt we got scored 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pretty hard so we stopped doing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh we stopped doing it publicly I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we kept doing it amongst ourselves for a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     while the other problem was I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think we ever wrote our raps down 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because we understood it to be an extemp 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rising games and oral tradition that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right and so it was we never SAT like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     him like eminem in the bus scrolling are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rhymes in a notebook 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we just we just let them go into the air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so if you've got if you will be like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you'll be like writing a short story 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about touch football like that you just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     go out and play touch football you in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right about it like a pretty small 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah so it was it was if you if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     scored a good a good little but bomo as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they say this and wrap and wrap you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     would just everyone would acknowledge it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with like maha uh-huh but then it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like you would try and grab it and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:18:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     put a leash on it and drag it back to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     earth also yeah you're very least in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     times I've known your we're more prosaic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     em there's a I'm not to say that you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not capable of short blasts of spitting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rhymes as they say but you know you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:14
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     more of a long-form probably stop 
     
     
  
 
 
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     polysyllabic kind of guy 
     
     
  
 
 
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     well this was your fellow your flow 
     
     
  
 
 
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     works on five thousand word level this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is what I mean about stepping through a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     stepping through it a door to another 
     
     
  
 
 
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     thing right there all those moments when 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you look back in life and go if that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     head because it absolutely resonated 
     
     
  
 
 
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     with me and connected 
     
     
  
 
 
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     me and with my friends if we had felt 
     
     
  
 
 
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     just that little bit more liberty to to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     say this is actually something that i 
     
     
  
 
 
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     really want to do you know you step 
     
     
  
 
 
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     through and then maybe I would have 
     
     
  
 
 
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     become somebody that because it when I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     several years later i was living in a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     house where all of my roommates were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:19:56
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     rappers and sat around wrapping all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     time but by that point I understood that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:02
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     I was not that was not I was not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:05
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     basically invited to sit down it at the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     on the couch and and rhyme with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     everybody like my job at that point was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to roll joints and not appreciatively 
     
     
  
 
 
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     but you know it could have been so much 
     
     
  
 
 
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     different to all your ok i see how maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:23
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     I could have been or maybe I could have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:24
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     a a decided that that was where I was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:27
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     going to pour my clear the eighties the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:29
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     Golden Age of we talked about before the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:31
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     extra guy in the band you can have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:32
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     professor Griff like who's there to give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:34
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     you some philosophical guidance you got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:37
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     the dancing guy and Happy Mondays maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:38
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     Jonathan girls the joints 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:40
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     yeah but i would have wanted a more 
     
     
  
 
 
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     featured role right i mean I maybe can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:45
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     roll them on stage is I like to be the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:47
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     guy at a party that rolled joints i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:49
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     really did it would give me an activity 
     
     
  
 
 
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     i could sit at the i consider the coffee 
     
     
  
 
 
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     table right in the center of the party 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:20:56
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     right you're right there right in the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:20:59
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     yeah you've got a job and it's an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:02
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     important job anywhere between the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:04
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     ► 
     Somali a magician yeah right i mean yet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:07
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     people are going to you don't have to do 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:09
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     ► 
     anything you want to talk you don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:11
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     to do anything because you're rolling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:12
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     joints but you can and if you start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:16
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     talking everybody's gonna like it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:17
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     ► 
     H&R Block right you're going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:19
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     ► 
     everybody wants to be really busy for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:22
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     ► 
     comments here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:23
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     ► 
     yeah everybody wants to hear what you've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:25
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     ► 
     got to say my shot at smith barney 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:26
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     ► 
     that's rolling me yeah mr. Barney who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:29
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     ► 
     Smith Barney was that kind of wine 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:32
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     ► 
     cooler right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:33
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     ► 
     yep yet anyway morning James so I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:35
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     ► 
     just I mean but you're also you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:37
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     ► 
     showing off your expertise to roll a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:40
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     ► 
     joint is thing that requires a certain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:42
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     ► 
     certain amount of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:44
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     ► 
     I'm not just find a spot like to roll a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:47
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     ► 
     good joint and I could roll a good joint 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:49
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     ► 
     everyone you get done and just sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:52
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     ► 
     you do that thing where you tip it up so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:54
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     ► 
     now the joint is pointing up in the air 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:56
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     ► 
     so everyone can see it you're like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:21:58
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     ► 
     almost it is a revealing magicians 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:00
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     ► 
     reveal ya la la la la and then all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:04
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     ► 
     everyone starts salivating they can't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:06
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     ► 
     wait to get their hands on this joint 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:08
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     ► 
     but maybe you don't hand it to somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:09
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     ► 
     maybe put it down on the coffee table 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:11
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     ► 
     maybe you know maybe you lay out three 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:13
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     ► 
     or four of them before you start having 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:15
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     ► 
     amount so that everybody can see that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:17
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     ► 
     their uniform that each one you know the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:19
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     ► 
     day that they're beautiful matched set 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:21
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     ► 
     hmm so that was the job that I really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:24
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     ► 
     appointed I i pointed myself that that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:28
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     ► 
     job and of course I never had the pot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:30
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     ► 
     right the I didn't bring pot to the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:22:34
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     ► 
     I didn't have any money right but but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:37
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     ► 
     so the person that had the pot could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:39
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     ► 
     also conveyed to the room that they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:44
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     ► 
     big enough deal that they didn't need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:47
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     ► 
     sit rolling joints right they have the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:49
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     ► 
     pot and so rolling the joint allowed me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:53
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     ► 
     then to have some ownership over the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:55
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     ► 
     weed so I didn't have to stand there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:57
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     ► 
     like a goofball and be like who you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:22:59
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     ► 
     gonna pass that over here well you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:01
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     ► 
     certainly you're adding value 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:02
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     ► 
     I've added value precisely it so the guy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:05
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     ► 
     with the pot is like are you know I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:08
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     ► 
     too big a deal to to be rolling joints 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:10
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     ► 
     that's a that's the Romans work but but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:15
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     ► 
     then I even having rolled the joints i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:17
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     ► 
     was entitled at least to take up in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:19
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     ► 
     order to take one of those joints for 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:23:21
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     ► 
     mhm right you know you roll 5 slip one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:24
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     ► 
     in your pack of cigarettes and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:28
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     ► 
     everybody feels right everybody feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:30
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     ► 
     right about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:31
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     ► 
     this is this is all going in my moochers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Bible mmm that's a good idea when I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:35
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     ► 
     finally write the Boosters Bible indeed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     as an e-book know i'm thinking it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:40
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     ► 
     something that be in airport bookstores 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:42
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     ► 
     something you read on an airplane urban 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:44
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     ► 
     survivalist Bible like you like dr. 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:46
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     ► 
     Strangelove Bible like you like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:48
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     ► 
     like a tiny little what's called the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:49
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     ► 
     moochers what the moochers Bible yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:52
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     ► 
     Bible and that could be very small like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:53
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     ► 
     it could slip into a wallet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:55
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     ► 
     it should or or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:56
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     ► 
     you certainly will ensure pocket it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:58
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     ► 
     should be about the size of a pack of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:23:59
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     ► 
     cigarettes and it should be inexpensive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:02
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     ► 
     enough to replace because your friends 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     probably steal from from you because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     let's be honest amateur well sure I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:07
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     ► 
     you're probably going to try and steal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:08
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     ► 
     it from the bookstore in the first place 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:10
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     ► 
     yep but the other the only problem I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:13
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     ► 
     think is that a lot of my a lot of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tenants in the moochers Bible aren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really applicable anymore nobody smokes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well yeah what are you gonna do but go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:22
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     ► 
     walk up to somebody on the street and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     asked for a cigarette because a dollar 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:24:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah so yeah I mean that they've got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really costly that's invading the vaping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is not such a park anymore either San 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Francisco's coming down hard on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     vapors uh you mean they're taxing vapor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well I look at my daughter school 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there's a sign right out front says no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     smoking and yes no vaping either and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that was a big robot cigarettes so you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can say like look here don't do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what was the question with vaping isn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so much i don't think that that it's you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know you can no longer do it on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     airplanes or whatever but more that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cannot you can't mooch a toke off 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:24:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody's baby can you it seems like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     very personal line mucha took off 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody's vape I don't know the kids i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     see in our neighborhood have very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sophisticated looking ones they look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kinda like a magazine with remote 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     control from 1977's something that you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     would see where they don't wanna the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cantina scene in the original starting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     original Star Trek where they are where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they listen to you have many good men 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and vaping yeah what brought about by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     little by little deal actually took a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nap you took another fellows de Paul so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that they have a lot of fruit flavors I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think there's a lot of variety to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     vaping today used to be got you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Marburg or camel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well now you can have any kind of flavor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really good mmmm fall people's menthol 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     smoking is a purely defensive tactic i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know anything about this from people i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know you think that it's true if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     smoke menthols people don't want to bum 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cigarettes from you but I there but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people claim that the men fall is an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     additional thing you get addicted to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I believe it so now you don't even want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:25:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to smoke a normal cigarette you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anything in your mouth enough eventually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gonna want their but you price your it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     if you get into mental smoking in order 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to keep people from bumming cigarettes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's you price yourself out of ever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     becoming a cigarette from anybody else 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     so in the end what started off maybe as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a defensive technique ends up biting you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:26:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mm because you don't like to buy your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     own petard that's exactly what it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah you go to a bar near like and one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of those and you oh it's just a Marlboro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like I need to go dip that in the candy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     came because I can't enjoy a cigarette 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that doesn't taste like a fresh breeze 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     on the bottoms cool mountain that but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i'm i'm curious about whether and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe some of our bit vaping listeners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     will will chime in on this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah but if you're hanging out around it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     standard in a circle maybe doing some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     marching and some some rapping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everybody's presumably got their own the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     vapor cigarette right you don't take a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     token and pass it on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:26:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's not a bomb right so it's it's a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     part of this is my whole identity thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to it when I see these kids and their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sports where they usually other 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sunglasses on the back of her neck and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're walking around making vapes yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     baby it wasn't an energy drink 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the other thing i noticed a lot about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:14
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     vapors is they do that leg thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:16
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     shaky leg thing remember when you're a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:18
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     teenager and you got energy and your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:19
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     legs always in motion they seem very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:21
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     keyed up the vapors and you can really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:24
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     identify them you know that's the energy 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:26
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     oh I know I mean well you know a certain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:29
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     point I don't know she can't even 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:30
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     separate them the vaping the energy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:32
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     ► 
     drink i don't know i don't know it feels 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:34
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     like a lifestyle it feels i got like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:35
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     whole kind of community college 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:38
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     yeah haha doesn't have a little bit of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:27:41
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     well it always did but I but I'm seeing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:44
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     a lot of I'm seeing a lot of urban 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:46
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     sophisticates now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:48
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     well that's not columns systems but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:50
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     urban people that I would normally that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:53
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     would normally in the past have seen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:56
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     smoking cigarettes which is a universal 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:27:58
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     indication that you are you that you are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:01
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     cool and rock and roll right there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:04
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     still a lot of those people actually 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:06
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     smoking cigarettes burning cigarettes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:09
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     ► 
     which I which i can't i can't fathom was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:13
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     walking through the cool neighborhood 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:14
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     yesterday was like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:15
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     my god people are still smoking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:17
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     ► 
     cigarettes they're comfortable in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:19
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     Manhattan i noticed that people still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:21
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     gonna still true now last moment and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:23
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     was struck by how many people still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:24
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     ► 
     smoke still smoking cigarettes but i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:26
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     ► 
     not here to judge but I mean that's that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:28
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     ► 
     does it that you don't see it as much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:29
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     ► 
     around here for sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:30
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     ► 
     let's be honest you are judging no i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:32
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     ► 
     not i'm judging the way people hard and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:35
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     ► 
     I want to distinguish first of all I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:37
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     ► 
     just want to say i don't want to talk 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:38
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     ► 
     about this please don't email me about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:39
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     ► 
     this please don't treat me about this i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:41
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     ► 
     don't want to be persuaded about vaping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:42
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     ► 
     please keep it to yourself 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:44
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     ► 
     let me let me just criticize you yeah on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:47
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     ► 
     my own please 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:48
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     ► 
     sure it's one thing you're right it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:49
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     ► 
     ready out mr. that's my right it's one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:52
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     ► 
     thing to go out I you know and I'm going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:53
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     ► 
     and I don't care but like I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:55
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     ► 
     distinguishing between you get this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:58
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     ► 
     smoking over here this event that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:28:59
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     ► 
     there's like you could buy the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:00
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     ► 
     disposable ones that look like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:01
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     ► 
     cigarettes right that's that that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:03
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     ► 
     really friendly look down the vapors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:05
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     ► 
     look down on that that's real kid stuff 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:07
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     ► 
     I really there's their v that are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:09
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     ► 
     disposable that look like cigarette yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:10
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     ► 
     they're awesome they're not they're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:12
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     ► 
     one hitters no one hitters that look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:14
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     ► 
     like cigarettes tho yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:16
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     ► 
     cool yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah super 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:19
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     ► 
     cool but no but they had their purpose 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:21
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     ► 
     and then you got the ones that are more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:22
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     ► 
     like what i would call the ethernet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:24
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     ► 
     wizard cigarette and that's more like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:26
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     ► 
     the little one let's get playing a flute 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:28
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     ► 
     yeah thatthat's I think those the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Picasso serious vapors now carry this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:33
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     ► 
     thing that looks I haven't paid a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     attention to it but I see them sometimes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:36
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     ► 
     in the neighborhoods are unavoidable and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:38
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     ► 
     it's it's a little bigger than like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:40
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     ► 
     sailor zenith remote control i would say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:42
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     ► 
     it's a little bit smaller than the gyro 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mechanism you used for a remote-control 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:47
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     ► 
     plane is what if it's big I mean if it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:50
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     ► 
     like the size of a Walkman what i did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     when i got a big butt plug coming out of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it you talk on to make your Papes yeah 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     when i see that i always think of that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:29:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     episode of the episode of the one show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where Frey gets the magic he gets the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     devil hands he gets the robot devil 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:09
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     ► 
     hands here on the double switch hands 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     okay right in the devil once human hands 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and and he offers fri though the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     robot hands devil hands Frey gets the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     devil hands and then suddenly he can 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:30:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     The Magic Flute that conjures images 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right if you have a complicated plot for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     half hour show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well yeah but that's the thing that they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     got done making the simpsons or whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     then maybe get done making the simpsons 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but same people right yeah oh yeah i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:41
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     ► 
     think it's the same it started out as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:43
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     ► 
     the same roughish team 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah so I mean a lot of shots a fun show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     my smarts there anyway so he's playing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the he's playing them the magic flute 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and it conjures up these images of him 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     dancing with Leela and he wins Lila's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:30:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     heart but then at the end he doesn't he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     doesn't consummate consummate the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     relationship with Leela because that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     basically the that would ruin the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the whole show would end and I thought 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's the same and I a moment Sam Sam 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and Diane moment that's right at that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     point at that point Diane has exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but anyway so with fries playing this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     crazy electric flute with his devil 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     robot hands and that is what I cannot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not see that when I see people vaping on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the street I just feel like since I i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think yeah I can I get you but to me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's almost like the way you feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     watching people use a blackberry where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     before and even in the early days of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     iphone a lot of people were still always 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     using their BlackBerry's and they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     talking about how much they loved using 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     their blackberries but nobody i've never 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     seen by look happy using a blackberry 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     never get people were vaping did they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     look like they're like better no shame 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of what they're doing because the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well they should be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I mean it's real silly nothing against 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it i mean he didn't have fun but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it'sit's does look very silly i think i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think some of that might be that we just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:31:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     do not live in that suburban there that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     XO city that the edge of a city where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people are influenced by the city i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     talking about an agent 1x herb and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     observed that you're saying you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     saying you're at a an umbrella table 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     outside the quiznos by the old starbucks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and you're making it up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm i think that as you leave this if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you're in the center of the city and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are and your pants are riding low and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your vaping and you have a white 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     baseball cap on backwards people in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     city recognize us from elsewhere but as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you move further and further out of a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     city you reach a borderland 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where where all the cultures interact 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right and you can be out there in that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     borderland making alternative theater 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     because that's because you cannot forget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the different kind of stew 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's the children of people who work at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     costco meeting with the children of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people who work at sam's club and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're all they're all they're all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     meeting together and it's a great 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     goulash cultural goulash 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:32:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well yeah I mean especially now that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     cities are too expensive to live in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right we're seeing we're seeing the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     receiving the downtown culture makers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     moving out as the exam billion children 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     characters move in and you get into this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     weird realm where people are vaping 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ironically and right next to people who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are vaping very earnestly and you go at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the ice vapors right I can't tell the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     one from the other now I mean there are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people who've a parent it's very cool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they make it look cool and it's similar 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to communicate to learn about the word 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:33:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well what is cool anymore Merlin is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Miles Davis you can see miles davis 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     doing that I think that the next Miles 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Davis is right now i'll probably says 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sixteen-year-old vapor Miles Davis to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     point out well probably now for point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     out for the out like Miles Davis ex was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a pretty good must have snacks that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:33:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pretty good yeah i'm sure it was what I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think it would just be miles X minus X 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah but yeah I think I think that there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i think vaping is here to stay and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think it only looks ridiculous to us but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in a very short amount of time it will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just be as natural to to the young 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people as anything much more natural 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     than cigarettes cigarettes are gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     look like some elder make that 19 know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're gonna make the fifties look like 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah exactly well i'm also i agree with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you about people having to move out the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     city's I'm interested in what happens 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     within the next what probably two years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for everybody cool is going to live 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     outside the city everybody lives in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     city is going to be a douchebag who's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     making makes apps what's what's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     opposite of a Bridge and Tunnel crowd 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right but what if we get to where people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are going they're going out to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     exurbs because that's where the good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     skate ramps and of apes are you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     saying yeah I feel like it will continue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to be called bridge-and-tunnel little 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:34:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to be bridgend people taking bridges and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tunnels to get out of the downtown core 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     rather than go into it it's a different 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:34:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's the whole it's all white flight 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:35:00
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     premise but not in Reverse but sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in Reverse like fleeing not not fleeing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the decline of the inner city 
     
     
  
 
 
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     because it has become a like dangerous 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and uh and decaying but flight leaving 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from the inner city because it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     intolerable tolerably smug man that's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's that's going to get trend piece 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's gonna be a trend piece in the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     next couple years I mean already already 
     
     
  
 
 
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     see it like in our local paper coom 
     
     
  
 
 
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     website if there's already like there's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a huge amount of the front page that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     goes to come here buddy what somebody is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     selling this teardown for ya 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and then there's the of course the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     component piece of that is but if you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     move to you know Dumbledore pleasanton 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you can get a 6,000 acre ranch for nine 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     yea Pleasant and was intent on the part 
     
     
  
 
 
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     I think you know I think that that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     honestly right the the last 20 years has 
     
     
  
 
 
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     has seen the burbs 
     
     
  
 
 
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     let's call it the last 30 years saw all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this you know these mega mansions or 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Mick mansions but they're McMansions 
     
     
  
 
 
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     kind of gross overly large houses with 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three-story atrium and then that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     tria the cheaper knockoff version that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     mention Kings mansion King come and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're always intervention chef in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     I you know I I don't have a TV you know 
     
     
  
 
 
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     what a butt out there in these like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     manicured neighborhoods with these over 
     
     
  
 
 
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     large homes and now nobody wants to live 
     
     
  
 
 
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     in them anymore but i think we're going 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to see an exodus of people from the city 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who will move out there and find that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that they can get these huge huge homes 
     
     
  
 
 
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     look like seven beds super cheap where 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the weather cell they sell at way under 
     
     
  
 
 
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     market value to get out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:36:56
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     yeah it makes it available goes on the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     market oh that's super interesting and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then these neighborhoods are suddenly 
     
     
  
 
 
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     going to become vibrant places because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:03
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     these homes are going to have like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     three different families living and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     regeneration of different families it's 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gonna become the equivalent of I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:11
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     that would be so great you can have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:13
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     three different families living in one 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of these giant giant houses they're just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:16
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     they're really using the pool they don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:17
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     have a pool it's think clean there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:19
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     like 60 kids in the pool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:20
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     that's right and maybe it's like an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:22
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     ► 
     ad-hoc apartment maybe 9 a-9 like a like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:27
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     ► 
     a scream poets will all move into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:30
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     ► 
     Lauren's mega-mansion out in the suburbs 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:33
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     and and you know they're gonna start 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:36
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     seeing like interesting sculptures 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:38
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     appear in the yard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:39
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     I mean those those neighborhoods could 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:41
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     ► 
     are ripe to be colonized by uh by this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:45
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     like dramatic creative class that can no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:47
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     longer make make a theater in warehouses 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:37:51
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     so I'm excited about that and I wonder I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:55
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     wonder I mean maybe there will be life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:57
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     ► 
     on those streets maybe they will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:37:58
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     ► 
     suddenly be kids riding their writing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:01
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     there a unicycle or whatever kids ride a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:04
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     get a recumbent bike or a hotter board 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:07
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     yeah it'll be like little it will 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:09
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     literally make the 2020 these look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:12
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     look like the fifties em the 2020s are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:16
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     ► 
     going to make the 2010 look like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:20
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     ► 
     nineteen nineties and early nineteen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:23
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     ► 
     nineties are going to make the 2020s 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:25
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     ► 
     look like the fifties manslaughter 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:27
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     ► 
     Collins so I mean at you know what as as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:30
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     ► 
     the parents of of young kids we might 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:32
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     ► 
     start to think about like hey let's go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:35
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     ► 
     out there by one of those as mega 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:37
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     ► 
     mansions that has like two gold lions on 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:40
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     ► 
     yeah and you know move in and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:43
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     ► 
     suddenly the master you've got a master 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:38:45
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     ► 
     that's like 1,500 square feet and your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:49
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     ► 
     kid has a as their own bedroom but also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:51
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     ► 
     their own den ah and you can rollerskate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:54
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     ► 
     in the living room you can make one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:55
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     ► 
     the rooms into just like a jungle 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:57
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     ► 
     playroom jungle playroom you could hire 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:38:59
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     ► 
     a local maker somebody with a hot glue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:01
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     ► 
     down a book they could come out and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:02
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     ► 
     can make a jungle inside one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:04
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     ► 
     rooms the kids could plan here's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:05
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     ► 
     I'm thinking I'm thinking let's let you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:08
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     ► 
     taking internet you buy a mansion a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:10
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     ► 
     former you know mansion king and then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:12
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     ► 
     you you take it out however you want and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:14
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     ► 
     then and you buy a google bus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:17
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     ► 
     and that way now you got a cheap way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:19
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     ► 
     easy way to get people in and out of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:21
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     ► 
     city you can still go to the city if you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:23
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     ► 
     need baby supplies or work and it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:26
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     ► 
     lot easier than have known a bunch of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:27
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     ► 
     cars and you know something that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:28
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     ► 
     sculpture on the line i think we don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:30
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     ► 
     want cars on one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:31
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     ► 
     no that's true see but whatever cars are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:34
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     ► 
     going to Waverly I know I know but 11 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:36
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     ► 
     google but especially you know you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:38
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     ► 
     try grease or or as son 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:41
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     ► 
     mhm I don't know I'm just saying the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:42
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     ► 
     economies of scale here everybody kicks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:44
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     ► 
     in a little bit you could by mentioning 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:46
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     ► 
     pretty pretty cheap probably now you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:48
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     ► 
     you've got your finger on the pulse of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:49
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     ► 
     e-commerce and entrepreneurship think I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:53
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     ► 
     do yeah so tell me are we closer to an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:57
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     ► 
     omen we're going to get a lot of letters 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:39:58
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     ► 
     about this from Johnson cuza hoo-ha but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:02
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     ► 
     uh are we closer now to the paperless 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:05
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     ► 
     office are we closer to people just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:08
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     ► 
     working from home or do people continue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:11
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     ► 
     to need to come into the city where they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:14
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     ► 
     have free fruit loops in a giant fruit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:18
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     ► 
     loop dispenser as one of the perks of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:20
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     their open plan office beanbag chair 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:40:23
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     ► 
     mhm people going to continue to come in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:26
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     ► 
     for the fruit loops and the beanbag 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:27
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     ► 
     chairs or are the engineers one day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:30
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     ► 
     going to completely rebell and say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:33
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     ► 
     listen has an engineer I no longer need 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:35
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     ► 
     to ever wear pants again 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:37
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     ► 
     yeah and i'm just going to code from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:40
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     ► 
     enormous beanbag sex chair that is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:43
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     ► 
     only item of furniture in mind in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:45
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     ► 
     entire mega-mansion and I get the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Lamborghini poster lamborghini poster 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:49
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     ► 
     and the and the enormous beanbag chair 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and they're just in there just coding 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:54
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     ► 
     they've got like six screens they get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     their own fruit loops dispenser nice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:40:59
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     ► 
     they never need to come into the city at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     all it are we closer to that or is there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it is there something about that the is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there something about the proximity to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:09
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     ► 
     one another the standup desks and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and the conference rooms that make going 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     into San Francisco necessary for for for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:20
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     ► 
     commerce the honest answer the funny 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:41:23
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     ► 
     I want the honest answer it has existed 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:27
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     ► 
     already for a long time there's a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people that there are a lot of companies 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:30
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     ► 
     that when they started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's how they started they started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     with people working remotely one of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     big problems with trying to reduce all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this revolutionary bullshit in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:37
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     ► 
     company's is that it works against the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:39
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     ► 
     principles upon which the company was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:41
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     ► 
     started and it works directly at odds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:44
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     ► 
     with the culture that's kind of it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     been the nation culture since the play 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     started you know what I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:49
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     ► 
     so it's like it it's almost like think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:51
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     ► 
     of a family like a passive-aggressive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     western family and Midwestern family who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     likes a movie where the family likes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     each other it's ok for now I'm walking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:41:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to like each other as well that's easier 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     said than done because this is the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we have always acted it's hard to just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you don't get to hit a reset button and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     terraforming family right so i think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's one so on the one hand I think it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:11
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     ► 
     always has existed for some companies i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mean i i've worked with companies where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everybody's on contract and all but like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     three people work remotely and so what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     then is doing the other part of that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that I think this is the sea dance with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a funny answer switch again and also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people like to think there's a certain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     way of managing only managing where it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     definitely easier to have everybody in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the room but honestly it's also 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sometimes easier to collaborate with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people in a room even or especially with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things like engineers you get a lot more 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     accomplished when you can be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     face-to-face with somebody so this idea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ok let's ok let's think about this but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mean so there's still much more to that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you can still have things we can still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like have the occasional like weekly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     meeting and stand up and everybody's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     trying different things and then there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nobody who says I want nobody anymore he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     says I want the kind of job i think my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     grandparents had no I don't want a job 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:42:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we have to go and likes in a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     building with artificial light and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     windows that don't open and just and and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sit around and do this point nobody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     wants that it's just that there isn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     any easy way to say that what what is if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you don't want that then what do you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     want because this complexity that's what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm saying that like my what I'm trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to imagine is let's let's let's picture 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     one of these exurbs one of these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:43:21
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     McMansion villages and let's say that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     becomes a colony right where everyone 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who lives in that neighborhood is an 
     
     
  
 
 
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     engineer so they're all working offshore 
     
     
  
 
 
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     four different one second it's literally 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a village village that shoemaker you got 
     
     
  
 
 
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     barber you got a-you got am working till 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you got all these people and they work 
     
     
  
 
 
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     together and with each other you're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     saying here is the same thing is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     literally a village just over here you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     got a programmer over here you gotta my 
     
     
  
 
 
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     single person you get a full stack 
     
     
  
 
 
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     person you're right 
     
     
  
 
 
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     XHTML HTML exactly this guy over here is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     doing ironic 8-bit animations for people 
     
     
  
 
 
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     who decided that the cool websites are 
     
     
  
 
 
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     throwback websites and then I think a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lot of those McMansion neighborhoods in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the in it as they were building them 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they were trying to create trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     falsely to create a feeling of community 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and so they would actually build like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     community centers where they met that 
     
     
  
 
 
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     had barbecues and stuff that where they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     imagine the people would congregate for 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that feeling of togetherness completely 
     
     
  
 
 
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     failing to understand that that the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     premise of constructing those whole 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood's was that no one wanted to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     interact with each other at all you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would park your lexus 300 in the in the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     you're not even want to get out of your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     car outside you don't want to get into 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the garage closed the garage door and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     then get out 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that's right so but now we're picturing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     a colony of Engineers all living 
     
     
  
 
 
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     together and they do they do use the the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     communal space as an office communal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     office and a communal like gathering 
     
     
  
 
 
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     point where they're sharing ideas 
     
     
  
 
 
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     they're they're you know they're showing 
     
     
  
 
 
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     their stuff and their kids are all 
     
     
  
 
 
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     around them and then all of a sudden the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     google bus only comes the google bus 
     
     
  
 
 
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     comes every day because that's the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     amazon prime bus now which comes and 
     
     
  
 
 
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     delivers all the groceries and all the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     supplies that everybody is all that's so 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     that's right before different services 
     
     
  
 
 
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     that you know kind of trickling in 
     
     
  
 
 
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     throughout the day you do a big you do 
     
     
  
 
 
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     it's like it's like escape from new york 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the helicopter comes and drop supplies 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah it's a semi still our escape from 
     
     
  
 
 
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     new york john that's the thing it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     becomes not a walled city because if we 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to come it's open right but you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would never need to leave your 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood and it could become like a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     ► 
     think tank right this would you that it 
     
     
  
 
 
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     would be like it would be like in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:42
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     original movie Tron where the bit the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     beam of light of the master control 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     is beaming up out of these neighborhoods 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and all the engineers that to all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:51
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     engineering for the entire city of San 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:53
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     Francisco are just living together and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:56
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     then you've got your alternative theater 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood over here you've got your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:45:59
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     entrepreneur neighborhood where the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:02
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     ► 
     entrepreneurs who are self-conscious 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:03
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     ► 
     about their money want to live in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:06
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     ► 
     kind of McMansion house that maybe they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:10
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     once upon a time would have lived in as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:12
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     a serious mansion house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:13
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     ► 
     yeah now that the mansion houses are are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:16
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     seen as like middle-class collective 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:19
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     ► 
     homes they actually want to move into 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:21
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     ► 
     them as a way of just of camouflaging 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:23
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     ► 
     their wealth but you'll want to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:25
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     ► 
     around because you're gonna Ryan ironic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:27
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     ► 
     mansion you know you may want to keep 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:30
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     ► 
     going around ironically let's call it a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:31
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     ► 
     mac mansion it's not a McMansion anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:34
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     ► 
     its a Mac mansion that's right huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:38
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     ► 
     so the entrepreneurs actually still have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:40
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     ► 
     their 8,000 square-foot warehouse in San 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:44
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     ► 
     Francisco but now they realize that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:46
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     ► 
     their that they have to slum out in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:49
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     ► 
     suburbs where all the action is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:51
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     ► 
     mostly good like I saw this thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:52
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     ► 
     somebody finally posted this thing of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:54
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     ► 
     the day it's this way of it's like a pod 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:55
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     ► 
     you can get from it for your backyard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:57
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     ► 
     for a home office actually super cool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:46:59
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     ► 
     its kind of thing you'd see like that up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:01
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     ► 
     you know in the nineteen seventies it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:03
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     ► 
     a very comfortable like mostly glass 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:06
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     ► 
     thing that can just get dropped in your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:08
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     ► 
     backyard and you can do your business 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:09
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     ► 
     right in the backyard 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:10
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     ► 
     I can see people living I think this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:11
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     ► 
     a popular trend right now is that what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:13
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     ► 
     he called the micro house or whatever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:14
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     ► 
     the meetinghouse Michael many of them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:16
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     ► 
     yeah your micro mini house would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:17
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     ► 
     likes a bunk bed and gas stove and about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:20
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     ► 
     you get to find this stuff gets a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:21
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     ► 
     horizontal slots slots you know so you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:23
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     ► 
     can well it out a little bit you know so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:25
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     ► 
     so no not only primary place you would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:27
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     ► 
     live in the mac mansion or the McMansion 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:29
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     ► 
     you would never actually a convention 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:30
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     ► 
     right and then we have all the micro pod 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:32
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     ► 
     pods in the so they start off in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:36
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     ► 
     backyard but then people realize what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:38
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     ► 
     are we hiding from this is our community 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:41
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     ► 
     so then the pod start start popping up 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:43
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     ► 
     in people's front yards and then odds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:46
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     ► 
     than the pods become a separate network 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:49
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     ► 
     a separate like network of of a like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:47:54
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     ► 
     like another another connective layer of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:47:59
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     ► 
     that's that's within the mac mansions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:02
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     ► 
     and then the first one shows up inside a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:06
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     ► 
     mac mansion in the atrium in the front 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:09
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     ► 
     hall and you can put them in a circle it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:11
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     ► 
     will be recalled the opposite of a panic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:14
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     ► 
     on you can have a non opticon you have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:16
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     ► 
     all the facing toward the middle of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:17
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     ► 
     village where the campfire is you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:19
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     ► 
     have all the little glass facing in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:21
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     ► 
     same direction right well then it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:23
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     ► 
     becomes one of those mirrors probably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:24
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     ► 
     opticon the the mirrored a solar-powered 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:27
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     ► 
     energy collector who where they're all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:30
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     ► 
     arranged in a circle and they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:31
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     ► 
     reflecting the sunlight or the brain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:34
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     ► 
     waves to a central hub to the NCP to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:37
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     ► 
     mCP over so it's generating ideas it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:39
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     ► 
     generating power it's probably generated 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and with maybe that's almost a limited 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     bandwidth at this point huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:48
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     ► 
     so and this is we're talking about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:49
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     ► 
     mansions now who I feel like this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:53
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     ► 
     trend this is the way it's going because 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:55
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     ► 
     at that point 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:56
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     ► 
     yeah you like the wide-open space you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:48:58
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     ► 
     like the boulevards you like the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:00
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     ► 
     flight uniformly tree-lined streets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:03
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     ► 
     there's not as much there's not as much 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:49:08
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     ► 
     unfortunately those houses are mostly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:10
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     ► 
     stapled and glued together so i don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:12
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     ► 
     think they're going to last forever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:14
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     ► 
     that's ok that's ok this is a new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     generation John we really want to bring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     our old thinking they don't season 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:18
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     ► 
     Colonial Williamsburg right people who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:21
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     ► 
     have no belongings and Spotify and they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:24
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     ► 
     maybe have a laptop so as the houses as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:27
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     ► 
     new there in the clouds on these people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:29
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     ► 
     in the clouds they are so they're living 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:30
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     ► 
     in the cloud live in the cloud but i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:31
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     ► 
     think there's going to be a magic moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:33
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     ► 
     where these homes that are made out of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:35
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     ► 
     pressed particle of substances there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:39
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     ► 
     right now they're off-gassing right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's the phrase they are off-gassing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     meaning that all of the all the chemical 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:44
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     ► 
     glues that are holding the homes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     together are still gassing they're still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     turning to gas and and poisoning you and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your children but there'll be a moment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:54
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     ► 
     where they stop gassing because they've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     get off gastall the gas and then they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:49:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     start absorbing moisture right those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:02
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     ► 
     surf those those are building components 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are going to start swelling they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     going to steal all your breath and all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of your perspiration cici yes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:10
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     ► 
     yes there's a lot of moisture in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     home right so there's going to be a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     perfect moment between the off-gassing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and when the houses start to swell with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     perspiration where they're in stasis 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right there they're like it's the pits 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're perfect 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's the perfect state and that will be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the moment they know for whatever two 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     years that period is that will be when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to go in there colonize those spaces ok 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     use them to generate entrepreneurship 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and then a and then when the building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     start to fall down when the moss the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     black mold starts to form the corners 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe you have a like a Detroit style 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hell night we just one night you just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     take your beanbag chairs you you take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your Lamborghini posters you put them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     all on a on amazon bus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah you burn the entire neighborhood 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:50:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     damn you can like the perch and you get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's like it's like a Clemenza says 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right you can have a war every few years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's right give it a black mold and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     then you can just extrude a new house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     again terraforming you can just tell you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     get you extrude a new house where the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     focus by then I think your point though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     by the time you get rid of the deadly 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     part or the poison is part of the of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     particle board you're also introducing a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     problem the performance characteristics 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are already degrading to get maybe maybe 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:20
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     two years who knows how much the gas was 
     
     
  
 
 
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     holding the whole thing together 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:24
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     yeah and then then you're like the end 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:26
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     of a road warrior two electric boogaloo 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:29
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     where you all get into a motley caravan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:33
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     of google buses and electric cars and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:37
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     you're towing your little pods you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:39
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     gonna bang bang chitty bang me and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:44
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     ► 
     head off and the homunculus is there man 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:48
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     ► 
     give us the oil i head off into the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:52
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     ► 
     desert to create you're looking for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:51:54
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     ► 
     next utopia next mansions mm we can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:00
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     ► 
     dream can't we feel like this is the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:02
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     and i just want to live long enough to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:03
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     see this happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:04
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     ► 
     yeah because at this point you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:06
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     we're both going to be the old crotchety 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:09
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     geezer with the with the Edit forget 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:11
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     what kind of hat he was wearing was a as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:13
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     like Napoleon hat or something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:16
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     well just max thing I think it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:19
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     ► 
     yeah but you know also to refer to your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:22
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     ► 
     program you like we could also just be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:23
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     ► 
     ahead and charge at that point you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     I mean we can see what you're saying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:26
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     yeah arguing with Richard Nixon on the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:29
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     shelf somewhere 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:30
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     ► 
     yeah that's funny bit I don't want to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:32
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     you you seem you seem a little bit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:34
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     ► 
     dismissive of the show with fry and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:37
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     ► 
     Leela I like it a lot it's been banned 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:39
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     ► 
     from the house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:40
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     ► 
     um we do it was just a little bit too 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:52:44
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     I you know inside words and definitions 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:48
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     ► 
     it gets a little saucy and starvation in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:51
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     ► 
     a fit of pique my wife bandit I see my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:54
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     daughter was extremely into it though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:56
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     ► 
     I'm still we still have we know we keep 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:52:58
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     ► 
     a long list of about sixty pet names we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:00
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     keep keep around she still really want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:02
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     to name something Lord nibbler Lords a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:03
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     blur is pretty cute 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:05
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     ► 
     sure he's the little nipper that eats 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:06
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     ► 
     everything right he's adorable and his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:08
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     ► 
     poop is not what runs the ship all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:10
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     ► 
     rights right these little infinitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:12
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     ► 
     dense poops could be i won that show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:14
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     ► 
     came out I was not interested in it at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:16
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     ► 
     all but then I saw it in reruns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:18
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     ► 
     syndication they call it and I and I and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:22
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     ► 
     I night and I did like it for for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:24
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     ► 
     several years and then I didn't have a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:26
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     ► 
     TV anymore it's a great hotel rooms show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:28
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     ► 
     that's right it's one of those ones like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:30
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     ► 
     yeah there's certain kinds of shows i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:32
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     ► 
     would never once had never watched but I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:34
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     ► 
     wouldn't make make special appointment 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:36
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     ► 
     viewing time for but like if it's on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:37
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     ► 
     hotel room it's like it's really good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's not a thing that you're gonna get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     as you're scrolling through netflix and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     seeing 1 million movies that you never 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     knew existed and never will watch you'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     see the the fry and Leela show and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     say oh isn't that good that's all your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     likes and it seemed it strikes you as a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     positive but you're not gonna watch it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:53:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     either like the whole point of Netflix's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to scroll and scroll and scroll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     endlessly and never watch anything 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah and so they just dumped some new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stuff in the last few days it's kind of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     overwhelming you know what I learned of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this is true but a couple people told me 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     he said you have the netflix well I did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     get familiar with the what it what it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah but I was just going to tell a very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     short story where I kind of got him I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     got a little bit of a millennial break 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     up the other day when i logged onto 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and i was and i met my password has been 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well so well because it wasn't my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     netflix so I got millennia I get the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Millennial breakup 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh I'm sorry that you're disinvited to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     use my netflix for free 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh the Millennial pop ya know you got 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:54:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh yeah somebody boyce you so you turn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your computer like I think i'm gonna 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     watch days of the Condor again for the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     40th time it you get that netflix a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     screen that's like would you like to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:54:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     join netflix yeah like what what what no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     no no you put your put your what had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     waited for the last several years been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     your password with ya or password with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     someone else's of a sudden it doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     work that netflix returns zero results 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     at 4044 a forehand and you're like oh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     fuck i've been i'm sorry it's like you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know no more netflix and chill for me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mhm but so I do remember a day those 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     halcyon days when when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah you could scroll through days and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     days but you were about to say something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     about that will not know I feel I feel I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can you know show you something 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh you like you're rubbing in here well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know i just want to mention is that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody told me this factoid which is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     an interesting empirically interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     factoid but I'm finding it immensely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     interesting I kind of can't stop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thinking about it i was saying that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody how am I i was introduced this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:49
     ◼
      
     ► 
     guy english comedian as it called Stuart 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Lee and certainly is a has in the past 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like two months become like my I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:55:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     obsessed with this guy i just i want i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     want to see everything this guy's ever 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     done and it all started with turning on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the netflix and I flip pass this thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I've never seen and never heard of it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     says stuart least comedy vehicle and you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know a little stars stars work right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     ya got the red stars you know what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     she'll it's nice to see three stars for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     starting this is really good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this thing is just a sliver shy of five 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     stars like wow it's it's a you know this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     sounds like the kind of thing I would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like if the average rating for this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just under our stars I should watch this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah and I didn't I loved it and then I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't know this is true and I'm sure 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'll hear about it now I'm reliably 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     informed that that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     their estimation of now you would give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it all right the algorithm knows you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know that sounds pretty straightforward 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and maybe it is but for some reason I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kind of can't stop thinking about it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right because it's infinitely 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     fascinating to me like how they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     guessing and like so then i raided and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that's going to change future things but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they don't tell you that it doesn't say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you know it used to be back in the day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:56:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     even back in the DVD days it would say 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:00
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like okay four stars or like when they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     say that we hear stuff we think you'll 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like it would even show you what they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     think you would read it but I don't know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what the if it is true that the change 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that over the very interesting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     technology somebody is watching you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     learn a duty and you get no privacy sue 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     em well this is the thing there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     we've talked about this before but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     becoming more and more to all the time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there is no empirical truth anymore 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Merlin there are right there are no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     4-stars they told us in the eighties 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they just didn't have a proof for it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there's no empirical truth there is only 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     conditional subjective truth and so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there four stars doesn't exist there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     only now four stars for you and I think 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Yelp is the last place where four stars 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yelp and pitchfork are the last place 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where four stars are are still like some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kind of I guess Yelp is four stars that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are collected from from 10,000 people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that you would not like to be stuck on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:57:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     an elevator with and pitchfork is still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     some dumb kids in a room telling you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     what things are good but everything else 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     works i don't know i don't read too much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anymore bit around the time of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Travis Morrison debacle it really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     started to feel like it's somebody who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really wants to impress their older 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah even though they didn't really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     listen to the album i had a travis 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     moore's in conversation the other day 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thousands heartbreak 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well it was but will that still sticks 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     in the crop there in seattle doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     well yeah but now I feel like Travis 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Morrison's Travis Stan record the famous 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     0.0 from pitchfork is becoming a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like where were you when Kennedy was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     killed among a certain group of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people who followed in Iraq religiously 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and and so that it's it's it's a thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     where like how how many people were at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:47
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the velvet underground concert in 1966 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     not very many people but then over the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     years the people that claim to have been 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 00:58:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah grow and grow until it it would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:58:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have been a little bit of 50,000 person 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     concert and I think only thousand people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have about the first album but they all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     miss Chloe O'Brian know that's right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     exactly that's exactly what i was trying 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to say buddy the velvet underground is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gonna make the nineteen sixties look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like the nineteen-thirties well that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     right that's except the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nineteen-thirties are going to make the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     velvet underground look likes stan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     kenton so in the sense in the sense of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:28
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the pitchfork angle with Travis Morrison 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:30
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     angle it's become more and more now I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:33
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     meeting stranger 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:35
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     this is the thing women when Travis tan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:36
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     came out the number of people that were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:39
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     directly affected by that rating started 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:43
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     at Travis himself emanated out to the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:46
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     National to his label mates right we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:49
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     putting out that album and counting on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:51
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     it to to be transformative and then to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:54
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     all the fans of the dismemberment plan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 00:59:57
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     and all of the you know the larger 
     
     
  
 
 
 
 
	 01:00:00
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     people who were you actually bought and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:03
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     listened to that record what when where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:04
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     ► 
     and what travis moore's and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:05
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     dismemberment plan were like one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:07
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     those rare bands where like they were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:10
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     really good and they were critically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:13
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     acclaimed whatever and everybody liked 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:15
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     them and people seem pretty cool that he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:17
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     was one of those like it was one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:18
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     those like I don't know like Grand Slam 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:22
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     kind of things and when that came along 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:23
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     it was like in New York 911 the drummer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:25
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     war fingerless gloves there were a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:27
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     of things about them that stood out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:28
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     anywhere dance people at Dancing the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:31
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     ► 
     shows they play dance music dance their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:34
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     ► 
     shells were so crazy but now I'm meeting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:37
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     people in airports that are using Travis 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:41
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     tan as their calling card like oh you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:00:46
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     ► 
     hey nice to meet you like this though 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:48
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     they'll be talking to me right and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:49
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     ► 
     they're like I know who you are you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:52
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     John Roderick and Travis tan am i right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:58
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     and then I'll be like what are we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:00:59
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     talking about and they're like you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:00
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     ► 
     Travis tan like I'm on your side I'm on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:04
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     ► 
     your team because i also thought that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:08
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     that was a tragedy and it's like whoa 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:11
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     ► 
     I'm having this conversation more and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:13
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     more often now and I feel like I feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:17
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     like it is becoming emblematic of a time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:20
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     ► 
     of a moment where the critics who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:25
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     formerly were our friends are now our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:27
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     enemies and and locating us in a time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:33
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     ► 
     and space 9 2006 or whatever like it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:37
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     ► 
     it's it's becoming the it's becoming the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:40
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     ► 
     velvet underground of our time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:41
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     ► 
     Wow Travis stan is the indie rock record 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:44
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     ► 
     that is going to make the sixties look 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:46
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     ► 
     like the 20 so I so I don't know what to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:50
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     ► 
     make of that right arms but but you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:54
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     ► 
     cannot you cannot pick your cultural 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:01:56
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     ► 
     markers in real time it only happens I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:00
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     ► 
     think retro actively there are a lot of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:03
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     ► 
     things where you thought oh this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:06
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     ► 
     thing that's going to be remembered 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:07
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     ► 
     right this is the rilo kiley album 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:09
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     ► 
     that's gonna that's the temple that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:10
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     ► 
     holding up this whole era 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:12
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     ► 
     yeah then it turns out know it's the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:14
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     ► 
     it's travis stands the temple so huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:18
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     ► 
     don't put that in your pipe and smoke it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:20
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     ► 
     well I think about that your baby put on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:22
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     ► 
     your paper due on you do for you forgive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:25
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     ► 
     him for your chili Travis you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:28
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     ► 
     Travis is a magical creature that he had 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:31
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     ► 
     a lot of your chili right he just didn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:32
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     ► 
     answer his bandmates oh right got the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:35
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     ► 
     big cats eating some chili yeah and I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:36
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     ► 
     think what I think the Travis's magical 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:39
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     ► 
     feature was that he came in and he was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:40
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     ► 
     like you know to to my bandmates we are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:45
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     ► 
     here in the land of plenty go ahead and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:46
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     ► 
     forage for food once again give us the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:53
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     ► 
     oil do not become addicted to can chill 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:02:56
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     ► 
     and so the so and then he just traipse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:01
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     ► 
     off into the garden t dandelions or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:03
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     ► 
     whatever it was that he was doing it was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:05
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     ► 
     that my protest was that these bandmates 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:07
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     ► 
     who had never acknowledged right they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:10
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     ► 
     had never even nodded at me or looked at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     me now suddenly we're going through my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:15
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     ► 
     cupboards and like look I found a can of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:16
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     ► 
     of the of sliced pineapple and I'm like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:20
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     ► 
     hold on you gotta do you know I'm here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:23
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     ► 
     right yeah you at least say hi to me as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:25
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     ► 
     you want as you troop into my house 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:27
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     ► 
     before you're going through my like in 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Merlin there is a space there's a space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:33
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     ► 
     in my office 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't so there's a guy on my floor that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:37
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     ► 
     had a big photo studio and you know and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:41
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     ► 
     then legitimately making making some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:44
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     ► 
     form of art even if its commercial 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:45
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     ► 
     photography right he's using it as an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:47
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     ► 
     artistic space and then at a certain 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:49
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     ► 
     point he got the Entrepreneurship bug 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:51
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     ► 
     and he decided that he was going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:03:54
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     ► 
     expand his operation to making herbal 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:03:57
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     ► 
     hmm and there's a space on our floor 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:00
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     ► 
     that was available and this guy had a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:02
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     ► 
     very large Basin he obviously was 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:03
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     ► 
     well-funded either by his by the the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:06
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     ► 
     profits of his own output or maybe he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:09
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     ► 
     was funded offshore maybe some angel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     investors or some venture capitalists 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:14
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     ► 
     said or his parents had funded his 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:16
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     ► 
     operation but so he took over one of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:18
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     ► 
     these spaces and started making herbal 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:04:21
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     ► 
     wow so all of a sudden on the floor of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:24
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     ► 
     the place where everyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:26
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     ► 
     else is working in caustics there is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:28
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     ► 
     this constant sort of sickly sweet smell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:31
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     ► 
     of teas being manufactured and I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:35
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     ► 
     know how that's all going down but but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:37
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     ► 
     then not only are they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:40
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     ► 
     exporting these dry tease but they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:44
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     ► 
     making wet t in there and putting them 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:47
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     ► 
     in giant t canvas this is up to code 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:51
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     ► 
     I don't know i don't think you can be in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a building full of podcasting and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:54
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     ► 
     caustics and start making herbal teas I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:56
     ◼
      
     ► 
     don't want to be didactic but I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:58
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     ► 
     think that's that's not cool 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:04:59
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     ► 
     no it's not i don't think it is it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:01
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     ► 
     doesn't seem hygienic well or whatever I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:03
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     ► 
     mean there's a lot of things about this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:05
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     ► 
     story I'm about to tell that don't seem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:07
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     ► 
     hygienic but they are there they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:09
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     ► 
     taking these giant sort of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:11
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     ► 
     torpedo-shaped canisters of wet t and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:17
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     ► 
     they're slapping them down the elevator 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     into i kid you not a former google bus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like they have three vehicles they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a former google bus they have a fedex 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:29
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     ► 
     truck where they've stripped all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they stripped all the riding off of you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     can still see the shadow and then they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:36
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     ► 
     have like a they have a commuter bus 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:38
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     ► 
     like an airport commuter bus and they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     filling these things up with these teas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and these buses are taking a look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     parking spots fill them up with these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:46
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     ► 
     teas and off they go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:48
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     ► 
     I don't know why don't know who buys who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:50
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     ► 
     has a party where they're like let's get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     three or four canisters of wet p in here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:54
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     ► 
     uh-huh that are different her ballot 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:56
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     ► 
     ease and it's like I don't know what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:05:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this business is but any uh anyway all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     of a sudden the is like it and like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     let's say it sits on the one hand it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     does seem kinda like a front but that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     a lot of work for a front they must have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody who was sweaty somebody's out 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there drinking wet team and we got a 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:06:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah it might be all these places that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are that have like fruit loops in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     giant hopper and then also wet tease em 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but so this place then started to employ 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people because they're doing a booming 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     business here and so they're hiring 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people now these are this is the next 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:32
     ◼
      
     ► 
     level the next next layer of people that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:37
     ◼
      
     ► 
     are in and out of my art building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     these are not artists or if they are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     artists they call themselves t artists 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but they are just people working at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     tea plant and they are universally in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     their twenties they have their thin 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:06:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people and they have man buns my god so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there's five or six guys with man buns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     all of a sudden shrimping t in this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     place and to the man they do not look at 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you when they pass you in the hall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     oh that's weird yeah yeah this sounds 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:20
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like what it sounds like Hydra or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     something it's like it's kinda like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hipster Hydra there's something very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     very uncool about ya know that doesn't 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     this is a building this is what happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to saying to get whatever happened to 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:34
     ◼
      
     ► 
     whatever happened to the not on the same 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you gotta sit I don't like talking to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     people and whatever whatever happens 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just acknowledging I don't think I'm a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     big acknowledge her i believe in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     acknowledging got to acknowledge its a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     millisecond of eye contact not enough to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     communicate anything except hello ICU 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and then not froze cops man buns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     whatever it is come on people give me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the nod got to get the knot and this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:55
     ◼
      
     ► 
     building is characterized by long long 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:07:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hallways right so you come out of the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:07:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     no that's my nightmare walking down this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     long hallway and here comes a man button 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pushing a fucking cart full of wet t and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     here and i'm looking at the entire time 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like you acknowledge me son of a bitch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and so I've started as they're walking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:14
     ◼
      
     ► 
     as they as they get right next to me is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:16
     ◼
      
     ► 
     really thin guys with man buns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     I'm like Hello and you know like not so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     loud that it's super aggressive like not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     hello like Hello it but but with no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     advance warning just like right when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they are one foot from it's happened 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     enough that that's a reference it refers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to how they don't do it yeah I'm fucking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:39
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mad at them now i'm at the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     operating mine is im- great thanks how 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:44
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     haha right right exactly and i'm one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:08:49
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     step from that like you know nice of you 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:08:53
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     and so so i'm i'm pouring a ton of bad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:00
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     vibes into this tea room hoping that it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:02
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     goes into the tea and then swapping wet 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:06
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     t out there and it's pull a bad vibes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:08
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     like a Latin American movie we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:10
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     cooking cooking makes things explode 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:11
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     right on time movies at the movies were 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:14
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     like depending on how who she's mad 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:16
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     so the food's gonna make everybody we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:17
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     here now everybody would have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:18
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     intercourse because she made tortillas 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:20
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     like you're gonna send this bad vibes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:21
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     into the wet t this is like a losa 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:24
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     marrows perros yeah sure your that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:26
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     that's dogs little dogs in love with 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:28
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     always love except the one dog kills all 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:09:31
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     Oh boiler no es bueno 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:34
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     but anyway yeah right the tortillas are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:36
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     full of it makes everybody have sex and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:38
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     then there's a hundred years of solitude 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:40
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     yeah that'd be nice this is a situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:42
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     where I'm filling this tea with as much 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:44
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     bad vibe as i can so good so that the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:46
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     people out there with the the fruit loop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:48
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     poppers are like oh man I'm not ordering 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:50
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     ► 
     this T anymore it's full of bad vibes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:53
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     and then the business collapses and the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:54
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     guy has to go back to making photography 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:56
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     for a living and all these man buns are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:09:59
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     then like spurted out into the world 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:01
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     like spores to create their bad vibes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:04
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     they're like shitty no nod culture they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:08
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     can take that into the streets and see 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:09
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     how well it works right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:12
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     yeah now I know I likely put the shit 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:14
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     you knot culture that is a shitty known 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:10:17
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     yeah if you have a node culture then 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:19
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     like take it back to the farm or 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:21
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     whatever don't you know like if you're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:23
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     always like it's not like you're like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:25
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     ► 
     Mexican drug lord you know what I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:27
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     you won't you fucking with the u-dub 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:10:30
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     yeah where you didn't even get into u 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:31
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     dub no no these are people that are that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:34
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     are used to being out in a place where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:35
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     you I guess you don't not at the county 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:37
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     line behind the community making college 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:39
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     and I don't they're not even vapors 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:41
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     because they seem by the thinnest some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:43
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     fields by their work in the tea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:45
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     community that's exactly what I think I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:47
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     think there are vegans and I think you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:49
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     ► 
     know that thing is the man bun the man 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:52
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     bun it arrived we all mocked it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:54
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     mercilessly and then it persisted and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:58
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     then there was that there was that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:10:59
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     moment where everybody was like well you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:01
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     ► 
     know there was that there was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:02
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     ► 
     blowback where people like stop mocking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:04
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     ► 
     man but as we get it we get it all right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:06
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     ► 
     for now maybe you know and that an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:09
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     ► 
     attempt to make man buns as the two to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:12
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     ► 
     make them serious uh-huh just they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:15
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     ► 
     they persisted they've they have they've 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:17
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     ► 
     lasted through our scorn and so now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:20
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     ► 
     we're meant to would never meant to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:23
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     ► 
     like okay I guess you know I guess I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:26
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     ► 
     the dummy for mocking somebody else's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:28
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     ► 
     style I guess I'm I'm guess I'm the one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:31
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     ► 
     that's not a little monster 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:32
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     ► 
     yeah I'm not one that's not inclusive 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:34
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     ► 
     enough but in reality no they are still 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:37
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     ► 
     dumb and marketable they are you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:40
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     ► 
     like a like I said the other day there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:42
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     ► 
     are too many top knots and not enough 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:43
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     ► 
     samurai mm you know you you cannot just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:47
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     ► 
     fucking where topknot it is cultural 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:50
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     ► 
     appropriation black something which is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:53
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     ► 
     samurai oh I like the way you took that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:55
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     ► 
     one that's good you know what I mean 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:56
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     ► 
     like yeah one that's insensitive you are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:11:58
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     ► 
     insensitive to samurai yeah so fuck you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:01
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     ► 
     with your topknot it's no good and if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:03
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     ► 
     topknot is symbolic of no not culture 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:06
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     ► 
     then I say burned all the ground right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:09
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     ► 
     you can't you're not going to be in my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:11
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     ► 
     art space where I was formerly making an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:14
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     ► 
     encaustic podcast it doesn't cost 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:16
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     ► 
     anything it doesn't cost anything to not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:17
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     ► 
     to nod and i don't understand i do not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:20
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     ► 
     get and this is the big this is that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:23
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     ► 
     what I feel like is a component of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:25
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     ► 
     shove the shyness arms race but this is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:31
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     ► 
     include things like the medium post on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:33
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     ► 
     how to handle the introvert in your life 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:35
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     ► 
     yeah that stuff where it's like oh no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:37
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     ► 
     you're not you're not an introvert I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:40
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     ► 
     an intron see you guys 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:42
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     ► 
     yeah I'm so shy that I can't exist in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:45
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     ► 
     the world and that is a that is like not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:48
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     ► 
     a handicap it's a handy capable and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:50
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     ► 
     you're not allowed to scorn me for a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:53
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     ► 
     because nodding at you take so much of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:56
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     ► 
     my life force that I collapse into a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:12:59
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     ► 
     sobbing heap 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:00
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     ► 
     yeah so now you have to live in a world 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:02
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     ► 
     where people don't nod and smile at you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:04
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     a common courtesy a basic human 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:13:08
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     ► 
     because it impedes my ability to be as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:10
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     ► 
     shy as I think I am I mean you need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:12
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     ► 
     get back and you need to walk in there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:14
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     ► 
     and you say look what exactly the fuck 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:15
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     ► 
     is going on here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:17
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     ► 
     yeah you go into the white tea house and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:19
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     ► 
     just sit and just sparked the man buns 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:21
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     ► 
     and get in there and see who's in charge 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:22
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     ► 
     of this joint and what exactly the fuck 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:24
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     ► 
     is going on here 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:25
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     ► 
     ok so here's what happened last week 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:27
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     ► 
     sitting in my podcast space i'm getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:31
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     ► 
     ready to record some vocals on this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:33
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     ► 
     these vocal tracks that i'm working on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:36
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     ► 
     which is a whole separate conversation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:38
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     ► 
     and this is my private my normal private 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:42
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     ► 
     time in the art studio right all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:44
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     ► 
     people that are there during the day go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:45
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     ► 
     home and then the only people that are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:48
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     ► 
     there at night are people working in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:49
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     ► 
     within the encaustic arts and so I can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:53
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     ► 
     sing in my little wing and there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:56
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     ► 
     nobody else they're not no you're not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:13:58
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     ► 
     bothering anyone 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:00
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     ► 
     and nobody's randomness is getting on 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:01
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     ► 
     your track that's right that's right 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:03
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     ► 
     there's nobody over there using a power 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:04
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     ► 
     tool and more importantly I'm not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:07
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     ► 
     bothering anybody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:08
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     ► 
     if you come into the the space at 9pm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:11
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     ► 
     and you hear somebody singing you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:14
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     ► 
     recognize that you are the one who is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:16
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     ► 
     arriving late you are the interloper 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:18
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     ► 
     someone's they're making music and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:20
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     ► 
     that's their right whereas if I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:23
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     ► 
     singing it two o'clock in the afternoon 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:24
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     ► 
     and you're sitting at your computer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:25
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     ► 
     doing graphic arts you are you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:28
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     ► 
     it's within your rights to come over and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:30
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     ► 
     knock on the door and say seriously what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:31
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     ► 
     are you doing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:32
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     ► 
     who but so I'm in there I'm getting 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:34
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     ► 
     ready to lay down some vocal tracks and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:36
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     ► 
     then all of a sudden I hear a band 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:39
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     ► 
     practicing here and this space is very 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:42
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     ► 
     much like no band practice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:45
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     ► 
     I i use myspace to make music but it is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:49
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     ► 
     not a band practice it isn't under John 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:51
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     ► 
     as at the terms of being there it's not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:54
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     ► 
     this is not like a storage shed type 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:56
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     ► 
     situation that's one of the things they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:14:58
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     ► 
     say right when you walk in like no band 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:00
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     ► 
     practice can and so what I'm what i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:02
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     ► 
     realize is i get i I go down the hall 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:06
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     ► 
     put my ear to the door 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:09
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     ► 
     and I realized that this is a situation 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:12
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     ► 
     where the man buns have now colonized 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:16
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     ► 
     the space with enmity operation where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:20
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     ► 
     they have no connection to any of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:22
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     ► 
     art people there they are now there to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:25
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     ► 
     there are two layers of being attendant 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:28
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     ► 
     away from ever having spoken to anybody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:31
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     ► 
     involved in the building 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:33
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     ► 
     uh-huh someone at the T joint has said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:36
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     ► 
     either yes you can 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:38
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     ► 
     band practice here or what I really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     suspect is one of the man buns has a key 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:42
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     ► 
     and he's like you know what there's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nobody in there's nobody down there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:45
     ◼
      
     ► 
     after nine just off able to scan 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     operation that's right huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     and so I'm not somebody who's going to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:53
     ◼
      
     ► 
     pound on the door during band practice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:54
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     ► 
     even if it's one that I am pouring scorn 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:15:58
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     ► 
     through the door is what kind of music I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:01
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     ► 
     know it's not relevant necessarily but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:03
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     ► 
     guess what kind of music the plan it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     just it felt like there was a person in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there they could actually play the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:08
     ◼
      
     ► 
     guitar i was in which Annie or like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     trans am like 11 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:11
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     ► 
     no no it actually kind of felt like Adam 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:14
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     ► 
     amalgam of of of some sort of you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:18
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     ► 
     hardrock plus a Lumineers style stomp 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     bulk oh you know it's one of these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     things where that nobody has any nobody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     has any jumping-off point so it's just a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     mission like this modern songs where 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:31
     ◼
      
     ► 
     everyone kind of does a charity thing on 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:16:33
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah they'll say Oh kind of thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:36
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah hey hey oh well bloomin years okay 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:40
     ◼
      
     ► 
     i was thinking something else 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:42
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's all it's all like a post Mumford 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:46
     ◼
      
     ► 
     music no dear right that's you Mumford & 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     post Mumford yeah and i think really it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:50
     ◼
      
     ► 
     was that it was that bad from canada 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:52
     ◼
      
     ► 
     from Montreal that started it all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the one that dealt that the that to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:57
     ◼
      
     ► 
     David Byrne and David Bowie all the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:16:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     David's old jobs Empire weekend know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     that they came after then they have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:06
     ◼
      
     ► 
     different not really not really but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:08
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     sick but the one from the 144 montreal 
     
     
  
 
 
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     where they were waving flags on stage 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:14
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     and somebody had a typewriter and no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:17
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     no young guy knows i know you mean the I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:19
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     know you mean the yeah we can play drums 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:22
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     on their heads 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:23
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     yeah and somebody's got a horn somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:25
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     else's horn arcade fire arcade fire 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:28
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     yeah they do a lot of that oil oh stop 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:32
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     stop typing on typewriter honk david 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:37
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     byrne comes out he's like I like this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:40
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     yeah whatever goes i'll buy it you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:42
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     it's like LCD soundsystem where where as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:44
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     a collective a feeling like this is the 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:17:48
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     yes and then everybody buys it and says 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:50
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     then celebrates it was something about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:52
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     alko right but that's right so arcade 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:17:57
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     fire is the Falco fire is gonna make 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:01
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     Falco look like The Velvet Underground 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:04
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     yeahhh mister 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:06
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     did I ever tell you that I was on tour 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:08
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     in canada with a opening with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:12
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     opening for the tour of not a surf and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:14
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     death cab for cutie and after the show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:17
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     some a French Canadians came up and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:21
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     handed me a CDR and said really loved 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:25
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     your show and it can even do a French 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:27
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     accent anymore it's been so long since 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:29
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     I've been on the United States i can get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:31
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     even do any of my accent yeah the event 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:33
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     any account opposition we love this show 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:36
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     they had to be the CDR and it was the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:38
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     arcade fire oh come on really 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:40
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     and yeah I'm gonna and then two years 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:42
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     later the biggest band in the world 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:44
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     yeah and I was like I had that feeling 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:46
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     of proximity to success 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:49
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     I was like oh yeah you're my story every 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:52
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     store you expect out of course I don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:57
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     know these kids are gonna catch on if I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:18:59
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     yeah but this is the problem when you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:01
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     are that proximate to success right if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:03
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     you were if you like every Williams as a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:05
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     college roommate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:07
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     yeah it's not like it matters right you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:10
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     can't say oh you're going to be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:12
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     successful and so I want to be your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:14
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     ► 
     wingman or something like I can't have I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:17
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     couldn't have been that moment said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:18
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     arcade fire i would like to invest my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:21
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     ► 
     current net worth which is 40 long 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:24
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     ► 
     winters t-shirts and a box of kazoos i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:28
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     would like to get in early 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:29
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     yeah and apply by thirty percent of your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:33
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     business for this nominal fee right like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:36
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     ► 
     the like the graffiti artist at the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:38
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     facebook campus that ended up being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:40
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     worth 200 million dollars because they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:42
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     gave him a point one percent of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:44
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     company instead of paying five thousand 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:45
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     ► 
     dollars to graffiti their their office 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:48
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     ► 
     you could I couldn't do that with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:51
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     ► 
     arcade fire and say here's a box along 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:52
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     ► 
     winners t-shirts that you don't want any 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:54
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     ► 
     but now i only thirty percent of your 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:56
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     ► 
     operation that people tried to do that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:19:59
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     ► 
     to me back in the day like I took some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:01
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     ► 
     band photos for you and so rather than 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:03
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     ► 
     get paid the five hundred dollars that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:05
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     ► 
     cost i would like twenty percent of the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:07
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     ► 
     Western State hurricanes that's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:09
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     complicated that's a complicated 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:11
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     ► 
     it was very complicated anyway so that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:13
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     ► 
     it's all posts arcade fire post Mumford 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:16
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     & Sons and stop rock and I'm here this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:19
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     through the door of the tea parlor and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:22
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     ► 
     let me tell you Merlin I sent some 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:25
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     ► 
     emails haha oh did you go right back to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:28
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     ► 
     your to Garrett and send some emails 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:30
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     ► 
     that's right I went I went all the way 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:32
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     ► 
     to the top closeout logic you just shut 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:34
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     ► 
     it all down back it up time to write 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:36
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     ► 
     that's right I said I said a mirror i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:38
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     ► 
     sent a letter to the mayor's office i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:40
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     ► 
     sent a letter to the to the governor i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:42
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     ► 
     sent a letter to elon musk and i said 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:45
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     ► 
     this will let's eat 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:47
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     ► 
     Cece let's lock mask say this will not 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:20:51
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     ► 
     I you know I have suffered through these 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:54
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     ► 
     non-coding add buns enough i want this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:20:59
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     ► 
     whole operation shut down i want all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:01
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     ► 
     these people out of the building and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:03
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     ► 
     it's gonna be rats leaving a sinking 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:04
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     ► 
     ship and I don't know where they're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:06
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     ► 
     gonna go and i haven't even taken by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:07
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     ► 
     john and they won't say goodbye and i'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:09
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     ► 
     not on the way out i will say as I'm 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:12
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     ► 
     walking right past them i'll turn and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:14
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     ► 
     i'll say farewell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:15
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     ► 
     it's a good day sir good day sir how did 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:21
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     ► 
     any line must be the mayor get back to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:23
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     ► 
     you know well the mirror the mirror 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:26
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     ► 
     right now has complicated feelings about 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:28
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     ► 
     me and Eli must never replies to any of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:21:31
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     ► 
     yeah and that you know that feels like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:36
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     ► 
     that feels like an insult because i feel 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:38
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     ► 
     like i should or twenty percent what he 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:39
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     ► 
     does just based on the number of times 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:41
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     ► 
     i've mentioned him on this 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:42
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     ► 
     podcast it's a good point I you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:44
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     ► 
     there's a lot about this doesn't exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:21:47
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     ► 
     I mean there's the part that adds up my 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:49
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     ► 
     first of all like making tea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:50
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     ► 
     I don't know is that you get a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:21:54
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     ► 
     straight-up business because a weed 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:21:58
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     ► 
     it smells a wheel the thing is weeds not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:00
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     ► 
     illegal anymore in Seattle so you don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:02
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     ► 
     have to mask on negativity 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:03
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     ► 
     yeah you can just manufacture weed all 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:05
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     ► 
     day and just be like haha but uh but no 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:09
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     ► 
     I feel like I feel like people are 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:12
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     ► 
     trying to like the photography guy he's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:16
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     ► 
     not satisfied people just aren't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:19
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     ► 
     satisfied right so he's like I've got 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:22
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     ► 
     started I've got to start a separate 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:24
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     ► 
     operation is going to be this tea 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:26
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     ► 
     company it's gonna be like the megaman x 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:29
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     ► 
     yeah that's going to be at whole foods 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:31
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     ► 
     all around America here's the thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:33
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     ► 
     that's this whole thats hanging up a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:35
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     ► 
     little bit and I i just know this most 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:37
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     ► 
     from watching TV and and seeing things 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:39
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     ► 
     around town but you know you got the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:41
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     ► 
     whole like artisanal butcher thing you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:42
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     ► 
     got small-batch thing right you got the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:43
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     ► 
     whole like guys who suddenly grew beards 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:45
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     ► 
     and started wearing plaid thing i know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:47
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     ► 
     this is already like a five or even ten 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:49
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     ► 
     year old trend but that's the thing and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:51
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     ► 
     it's you know clearly there's this whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:52
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     ► 
     like we're locally sourced this resource 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:54
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     ► 
     that the thing is though the thing that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:56
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     ► 
     keeps a lot of those things going is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:22:58
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     ► 
     that there's a huge somewhere between 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:01
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     ► 
     performative and transparent component 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:06
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     ► 
     to it so on the one hand is the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:08
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     ► 
     transparency of know i can tell you for 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:09
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     ► 
     sure that this pig came from down the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:11
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     ► 
     block or that i know this is fair trade 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:23:15
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     ► 
     sparkling water or whatever but so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:17
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     ► 
     there's that there's that transparency 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:18
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     ► 
     part of it right but there's also the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:20
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     ► 
     performative part of it where we want 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:22
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     ► 
     you to see us making we want to give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:24
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     ► 
     tours of where we make the whiskey we 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:26
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     ► 
     want you to come in and be able to take 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:27
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     ► 
     classes on how to butcher a pig 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:29
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     ► 
     there's a whole big part of this is what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:31
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     ► 
     we don't want is some kind of you know 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:33
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     ► 
     for the sake of argument like a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:35
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     ► 
     replacement sweaty in an encaustic 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:36
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     ► 
     painting factory that would be an 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:38
     ◼
      
     ► 
     unusual way to make an artisanal tee 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:41
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     ► 
     you're so right wire they asked their 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:43
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     ► 
     troopers why is where the band is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:46
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     ► 
     practicing this feels like a jamup well 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:48
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     ► 
     see that's the thing they could be they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:50
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     ► 
     could be in store for they could be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:51
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     ► 
     selling brass t pipes 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:54
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     ► 
     arm and like the man buns could all be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:58
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     ► 
     behind the counter with them would be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:23:59
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     ► 
     flames and don't know if you can find 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:02
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they want technology but they wouldn't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:04
     ◼
      
     ► 
     have to they could just make it higher 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:05
     ◼
      
     ► 
     one personable person standard don't be 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:09
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like welcome to the tea party welcome to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:11
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the teashop e a and a look behind me as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:15
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     ► 
     as the man buns all work before just 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:18
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there like history of Olympus they don't 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     know that talking is not their strong 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     suit they might sing a little bit when 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:22
     ◼
      
     ► 
     somebody dies but apart from that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     they're mostly just they're just like 10 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:25
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to the pipe exactly somebody somebody 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:27
     ◼
      
     ► 
     gets zoomed up into a television set and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:30
     ◼
      
     ► 
     the man's all go don't go top-20 went to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:35
     ◼
      
     ► 
     you work at you go 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:36
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     ► 
     yeah I I feel like that some it is a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:39
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     ► 
     missed opportunity and I don't maybe it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:41
     ◼
      
     ► 
     is that the San Francisco's ation of 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:43
     ◼
      
     ► 
     Seattle hasn't been 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:44
     ◼
      
     ► 
     comparison complete yet i think it was a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:46
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     ► 
     plane obviously the joke still being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:48
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like a Portland thing 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:49
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     ► 
     well I think that's super seriously and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:51
     ◼
      
     ► 
     but so but the weird part is there's one 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:54
     ◼
      
     ► 
     thing of like okay let's add value by 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:58
     ◼
      
     ► 
     doing something something repackaging t 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:24:59
     ◼
      
     ► 
     there's that part but then the whole 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:01
     ◼
      
     ► 
     like they're making like tubs of tea to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:03
     ◼
      
     ► 
     settle somewhere is weird the whole the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:07
     ◼
      
     ► 
     whole operation stinks but i can't find 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:10
     ◼
      
     ► 
     anything about it that's illegal except 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:12
     ◼
      
     ► 
     for the band practice 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:13
     ◼
      
     ► 
     yeah I feel like the ideal what's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:15
     ◼
      
     ► 
     illegal about it is that it's that it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:17
     ◼
      
     ► 
     aesthetically illegal it's just that is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:19
     ◼
      
     ► 
     to synthetically if they were just not 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:21
     ◼
      
     ► 
     it's how hard is it to not if they 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:23
     ◼
      
     ► 
     nodded maybe I'd be their best friend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:24
     ◼
      
     ► 
     maybe i would buy a fucking jiggity a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:26
     ◼
      
     ► 
     week huh you know drug too weak to give 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:29
     ◼
      
     ► 
     me their slogan I'll see that's good 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:25:31
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     that they could use that but they're 
     
     
  
 
 
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     never even get to hear that because they 
     
     
  
 
 
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     won't even acknowledge you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     yeah i mean i have a friend in San 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Francisco who uh who is co-owner of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     restaurant it's a brewpub sorry brewpub 
     
     
  
 
 
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     if it's different from a gastropub this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a bi well it absolutely because this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     is a brew pub where they also give 
     
     
  
 
 
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     lessons in homebrewing so it's more of a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     brew resource resource through resource 
     
     
  
 
 
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     and when they when they were talking 
     
     
  
 
 
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     about opening this thing here's this is 
     
     
  
 
 
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     the modern-day right they put up 
     
     
  
 
 
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     Kickstarter or some kind of crowd 
     
     
  
 
 
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     funding thing they set out to the 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood and they said don't you 
     
     
  
 
 
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     want to brew pub in your neighborhood 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you guys right now living in this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood without a brewpub who's 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:18
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     who's with me and they raised the money 
     
     
  
 
 
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     to open the brew college the brewpub 
     
     
  
 
 
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     college through crowdfunding around the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:28
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     neighbor so it's like but it's but it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:31
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     the the neighborhood that's such a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:33
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     different way of handling it my goodness 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:35
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     the neighborhood doesn't directly profit 
     
     
  
 
 
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     from it they profit from it by having 
     
     
  
 
 
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     now an interesting thing in their 
     
     
  
 
 
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     neighborhood but it's this idea of like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:43
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     collectively why don't we open 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:45
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     collectively why don't you help us open 
     
     
  
 
 
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     this thing that will profit for us but 
     
     
  
 
 
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     you will you'll reap the benefits of 
     
     
  
 
 
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     having your neighborhood smell like 
     
     
  
 
 
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     cooked tomatoes whatever that smell is 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:26:56
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     when beers brewing that smells like 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:26:59
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     oh right like breweries a beer brewery 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:03
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     has a very distinctive I think it must 
     
     
  
 
 
 
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     it's the hops it's a very high too tangy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:08
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     smell i'm going to busch gardens kid I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:10
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     mean you never forget that smell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:11
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     yeah if it were me and I gotta and I 
     
     
  
 
 
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     gotta fly under my door that said go to 
     
     
  
 
 
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     our kickstarter and help us fund our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:18
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     brew pub in your neighborhood i would 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:20
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     start an alternate Kickstarter send me 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:22
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     the money to keep this brew pub from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:25
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     happening because i don't like the smell 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:26
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     of tomatoes holiday iconic stomper if 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:28
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     you should be away like a stopper it's a 
     
     
  
 
 
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     way where you go in and you basically 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:32
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     paid something that happened a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:33
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     Kickstarter sounds like how Mumford & 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:36
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     Sons fucking funded therefore yeah it's 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:39
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     like Oh exactly 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:27:42
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     boom boom 1 & 4 1 & 4 mm thick stop it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:48
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     stop it Nick stop the shit out of that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:51
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     make it make it viral I don't want i 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:53
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     don't thing is is there anything worse 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:27:56
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     then home brewers and I normally a lot 
     
     
  
 
 
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     of letters now who is I feel like there 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:03
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     are a lot of beards listening this 
     
     
  
 
 
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     program that are also making growlers 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:06
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     for their own beer making growlers but 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:08
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     when you when you stand around in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:10
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     group of homebrewers it's like it's like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:15
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     it's like if a bunch of farmers from the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:19
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     thirties we're on a space station the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:24
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     the level of bunch of farmers in a in a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:27
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     small cafe in a town of 2,500 people the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:33
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     that that level of conversation but on a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:37
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     spaceship that's what I feel like being 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:40
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     in a group of homebrewers is like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:42
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     because it's both very retro but all and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:48
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     and also very unnecessary 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:50
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     mhm very specialized but transported to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:54
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     a world in which future shock is a big 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:57
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     component of it right we are making our 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:28:59
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     own home brew now for some reason 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:02
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     because of this because we have created 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:05
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     an alternate future we have gone back in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:08
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     time and we have created a world in 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:11
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     which Cowboys at rocket ships 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:13
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     haha because of steampunk and now we're 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:16
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     living in a world where we don't need to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:18
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     buy beer because we can pay 40 times as 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:21
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     much to make it ourselves we can spend 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:23
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     we can spend 40 times as much to have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:25
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     the inconvenience of making ourselves 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:26
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     hmm it feels like I'm on a spaceship 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:29
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     made out of steam tubes and I don't have 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:34
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     it there's no point of entry for me I 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:36
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     did not want it did not want cowboy 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:39
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     brass Rockets i do not want homemade 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:29:45
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     mhm and I don't want to live in a future 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:48
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     where the president was homemade beer 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:52
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     and artisanal tease because what I and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:54
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     what I'm imagining is that 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:56
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     it's going to create a future where the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:29:58
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     2040s going to make the 2010 look like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:03
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     the eighteen sixties that didn't happen 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:06
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     a lot to process and I'm still trying to 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:12
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     figure it out to i live in annex herb 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:15
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     yeah i'm waiting for the fruit first 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:17
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     group of engineers to come out here and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:18
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     take over our our community center from 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:21
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     and i'll be there celebrating my new 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:23
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     squid overlords 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:25
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     uh-huh but I'm trying to figure out how 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:28
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     I can get twenty percent of the company 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:30
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     yeah I think you got you got to take a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:35
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     whole party down there you got it you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:36
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     got a group down there and can you get 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:38
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     common cause with anybody else in the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:39
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     building who doesn't like these team 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:41
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     owners well they're artists right so 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:44
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     they're all suffering from this case of 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:30:47
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     yeah nobody wants any confrontation and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:50
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     that's why I sent those emails instead 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:51
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     of pounding on the door and saying who 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:53
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     the fuck are you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:30:54
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     yeah yeah and waving a copy of my rental 
     
     
  
 
 
 
	 01:30:59
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     you know I don't want to be that guy now 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:03
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     who's everybody else is in there space 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:05
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     you know like like painting with a 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:07
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     screwdriver and nobody wants any problem 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:11
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     with anybody let alone let alone a bunch 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:13
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     of skinny man bonds huh 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:15
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     but a but there should be there should 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:19
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     be a moment of a movement and maybe you 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:21
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     know maybe I'll have a march with the 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:22
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     mayor at the head of it 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:24
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     Elon Musk is there on a hoverboard and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:27
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     we're marching through the streets 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:28
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     saying take your reprehensible culture 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:32
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     out to the exurbs you can also take what 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:34
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     you learn from being so steep and 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:36
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     hip-hop culture you bring your crew like 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:38
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     you bring all of your like-minded people 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:40
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     write your posse will have a dance-off 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:46
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     pump pump pump pump pump pump pump pump 
     
     
  
 
 
	 01:31:51
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     pump that's exactly it