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Ep. 194: "Permanent Geranium Lake"

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0:00:04hello I John I'm Merlin how's it going

0:00:09uh-huh yeah really good

0:00:13yeah very good crazy stuff oh yeah oh

0:00:16god really oh god it's all it's all such

0:00:19a struggle to find ya did you have a

0:00:21crazy morning

0:00:23oh I can get the kids out the door and

0:00:25tumble out of bed stumble the kitchen

0:00:28whoo wonder whatever happened to my life

0:00:31yeah did you did you go downstairs and

0:00:33drink a cup or did you wanna stretch

0:00:36yeah try to come to life this shit did

0:00:40you drink a cup of ambition that

0:00:42composition

0:00:43yeah just kind of just keeps going like

0:00:44this doesn't beyond stretch don't don't

0:00:47don't don't don't

0:00:48mm oh she's just a song that we know of

0:00:52as morning train which sounds a little

0:00:55dirty was oh

0:00:57originally I had never thought about

0:00:58that interpretation but you know morning

0:01:01train was really called 925 but they had

0:01:04to change it for the US release which

0:01:06also sounds dirty because dolly parton

0:01:08already had a hit with 95 right if you

0:01:11think about it almost everything sounds

0:01:12dirty

0:01:13yeah US release feel like I'm going to

0:01:16start using both europe US release and

0:01:19morning train just incorporate that into

0:01:22my room into my pillow talk

0:01:24that is funny isn't it this is this is

0:01:28how the brain works you know

0:01:30hey baby i'm i'm gonna have to change

0:01:31this for the US release

0:01:33mhm helping have a simultaneous

0:01:35worldwide release

0:01:37oh my goodness boy you're a couple of

0:01:40ambition got blue here a little bit blue

0:01:42you know you got a little blue last week

0:01:45that was fun

0:01:46do I get blue when you talk about some

0:01:48things

0:01:49yeah you know what yeah I don't know

0:01:51finally off the internet café have the

0:01:53energy into it but i doubt you your

0:01:55interest in the man's knowing the man's

0:01:57parfum and then you followed him around

0:01:59a little bit yeah the part form for

0:02:02that's right that's right I did I did I

0:02:04talked about some talked about some sex

0:02:06sex things

0:02:07yeah sex feelings really i read i read i

0:02:12read a article on the internet this

0:02:14morning about an artist anal dildo

0:02:16company

0:02:17we'll make bespoke modern uh dude I sure

0:02:23you don't want to just be using an old

0:02:25dryer model well either an old model of

0:02:28its the things you don't want here's

0:02:30what here's what you don't want you do

0:02:32want an old building like a like one

0:02:35from the past also hold world

0:02:37craftsmanship yeah that's the kind of

0:02:39you know that kind of burled wood dildo

0:02:42of the 19th century which you don't want

0:02:44is one of these sort of you know

0:02:46mid-period dildos from the sixties

0:02:50seventies eighties maybe early six you

0:02:52mean like it like a japanese electronics

0:02:54feel valued by like a Woolworth yeah you

0:02:56know what that is one of those

0:02:57inexpensive nothing nothing i'm going to

0:02:59be ping pong but wakes you don't want

0:03:01some kind of mid-market like LeBaron of

0:03:04dildos

0:03:05I think for a long time most dildos were

0:03:08made out of the same material that super

0:03:10balls were made out of interesting right

0:03:12i think if you if you dropped one on the

0:03:14ground it would it would the first time

0:03:16it would bounce like six feet high and

0:03:17higher than you'd expect

0:03:19yeah it was that kind of marbled plastic

0:03:21red-white-and-blue sort of marbled

0:03:22plastic and that's not what you want now

0:03:25not not a normal contemporary guide

0:03:29wearing suspenders with the with a long

0:03:31beard and the sides of his head shaved

0:03:33is not going to use a superball dildo

0:03:35when he could use one that's made out of

0:03:38brass and steam gauges

0:03:41uh-huh right look at Jules Verne device

0:03:44exactly you want one that's gonna have

0:03:47probably some tiles

0:03:48hmm maybe it makes a pinging sound that

0:03:50when you started up it goes

0:03:53we are living here in Allentown all it

0:04:00takes a lot to get started

0:04:0222 yea right in the little below

0:04:04flywheel start spinning oh yeah you know

0:04:07I think if I were gonna have a steampunk

0:04:11dildo

0:04:12I think I would be looking for something

0:04:13that was looking at probably large

0:04:15machine

0:04:16yeah we're like like the size of like a

0:04:19box fan maybe bigger well and the drives

0:04:23a device that's actually kind of kind of

0:04:25tiny yeah that uses a a very heavily

0:04:28lacquered of

0:04:29boat or in some capacity

0:04:32it's got its got flywheels got gauges it

0:04:35makes a puff puff puff sound right it

0:04:38should sound a little bit like an

0:04:39old-timey generator or something

0:04:40yeah it's you know brass tubing all

0:04:44course you gotta have brass and and you

0:04:45got some some studs on it right there a

0:04:48lot of like like studs on things

0:04:50yeah but now it's starting to sound a

0:04:52little bit medieval starting to sound

0:04:56like something from the Torquemada would

0:04:58we just use the arm of a dead peasant

0:05:01huh

0:05:03the arm of a dead baby there's so many

0:05:07of them

0:05:08yeah but that's the way economics works

0:05:10right that use there's a need and then

0:05:12there's something changes in the

0:05:13marketplace maybe something involving

0:05:14Copernicus but you got a baby's arm and

0:05:16you know you might want to do some

0:05:17business with that

0:05:18well mrs. the thing once you start

0:05:19talking about business start talking

0:05:21about the history of entrepreneurship

0:05:22start talking about the history of

0:05:24entrepreneurship you're really you're

0:05:25talking about the history of humanity

0:05:26its history desire to better ourselves

0:05:28history of humanity is the history of

0:05:31entrepreneurs yes pushing the envelope

0:05:34through entrepreneurial entrepreneurship

0:05:38it sometimes they push the envelope

0:05:40out-of-the-box don't think why don't

0:05:42know you're I mean I don't want to open

0:05:44the kimono

0:05:45Oh too far to a deep dive on this one

0:05:47but entrepreneurs even right now as we

0:05:51speak our transformer they're

0:05:53terraforming the mental landscape that

0:05:57was a made-up word I thought you made up

0:05:58that word but then I learned that that's

0:05:59a real word terraforming yeah it's super

0:06:02because you talked about the guy upon

0:06:03the Genesis device and things I assume

0:06:05startrack things but I went read about

0:06:07it it's an interesting it'sit's been

0:06:08around inside for some time now

0:06:10oh yeah terraforming come on what are

0:06:12you going to call it when you arrive in

0:06:14a when you arrive in a distant sun-baked

0:06:17planet right or or multiple baked by

0:06:20multiple sons and basic the basic idea

0:06:22is or has been in the past it's mostly

0:06:25about in science fiction speculative

0:06:27fiction it's the idea of taking an

0:06:30existing planet or area that's currently

0:06:32not naturally inhabitable by humans and

0:06:37doing something that basically is reset

0:06:39and causes it to be something that would

0:06:40be an admirable by humans

0:06:42yes exactly now did you just say

0:06:44speculative fiction

0:06:45yes because because we've determined

0:06:48that science fiction is hurtful or

0:06:51because somebody within somebody within

0:06:54the science / speculative fiction realm

0:06:57has has indicated that one is is not

0:07:01equivalent to the other

0:07:03well now that you've opened that kimono

0:07:06have a feeling you're going to find out

0:07:08mmic so someone's gonna write me you're

0:07:10saying someone's gonna write me an email

0:07:12or tweet explaining the difference

0:07:14between tally explaining the difference

0:07:16but no nobody would ever do that we on

0:07:19I can't believe you respond to people

0:07:22about bits we went through that whole

0:07:26thing where it's like I know the answer

0:07:29i know the answer

0:07:30oh it's about this a couple three weeks

0:07:35ago that distinction between like

0:07:37science fiction and fantasy and I you

0:07:38know I'm an outsider on these things

0:07:40mostly I'm you know I like mainstream

0:07:41stuff i've read some stuff but I'm not

0:07:43like out i'm not i don't know lots of

0:07:45stuff about either science fiction or

0:07:46fantasy but um I guess what the

0:07:50speculative fiction when I first hear

0:07:52that i feel like i may be first heard

0:07:55that in my head I associate with kurt

0:07:57vonnegut well you know if it was just

0:08:00called speculum fiction than it would be

0:08:02Harlan Ellison is that right you look at

0:08:05the german thing

0:08:06mm-my I think you're absolutely right it

0:08:09probably Ellison's not a German name

0:08:12anyway

0:08:14no uh-uh go out go on I don't wanna be

0:08:17in my head like I guess I see I don't

0:08:19know an IRA please don't explain it to

0:08:21me people i don't really don't care but

0:08:22I know it matters to tell me but please

0:08:25don't know but I'll wanna the science

0:08:28fiction and science fiction is the idea

0:08:31of you know it's fiction it's a story

0:08:34that involves sciency things and with

0:08:37you anymore

0:08:38well the thing is speculative fiction to

0:08:40me I think that more of like this

0:08:42doesn't really rely on some kind of it's

0:08:45almost more like an alternative

0:08:47alternate excuse me

0:08:48Oh want to say is alternative people say

0:08:50alternate I think alternate means every

0:08:52other oh it was like an altimeter

0:08:55epicenter they're almost everybody uses

0:08:57wrong

0:08:57OIC or like a like a deep dive for open

0:09:01the kimono I think when you say

0:09:03alternate you say we're gonna meet on

0:09:05alternate weeks right and you would say

0:09:08or you the biopic are you say somebody

0:09:11was someone else's alternate right which

0:09:13is like a second right in a duel right i

0:09:16think you know alternative means a

0:09:17difference don't know I know what both

0:09:19of us have used and we'll get back to

0:09:20speculate efficient wireless one that

0:09:23both of us have used wrong even recently

0:09:25is uninterested vs disinterested and I

0:09:27think that is it is a difference between

0:09:30to bring back home mp3 if it doesn't

0:09:33appeal to you or holds no interest for

0:09:35you you are uninterested in that if

0:09:37you're somebody who doesn't have a stake

0:09:38in it as I like so you don't have a dog

0:09:40in the fight you're a disinterested

0:09:42party you know we always say don't have

0:09:44a dog in that race but I think it's

0:09:46because because the Iditarod well yeah

0:09:48here we raise dogs

0:09:50I don't know what you guys do you fight

0:09:52dogs I guess down there Florida in

0:09:54Florida there's lots of dog racing there

0:09:56is some very unusual bedding in florida

0:10:01i was about to use where paramutual

0:10:02except I don't really know what that

0:10:03means

0:10:03yeah at first I thought you said betting

0:10:05instead of betting dog bedding this is

0:10:08turning into kind of a bore his podcast

0:10:10display area last night I was watching I

0:10:13actually happen to be watching some

0:10:14videos of boys hunting that's different

0:10:17from or hey it's a different from aboard

0:10:19hey ora ora aboard or abortion or ar

0:10:25borji which is when the people who

0:10:27who run run an Italian the city-state

0:10:30have intercourse in groups right sure or

0:10:33not I would think that joke is funny

0:10:35yeah i think he is already laughing now

0:10:37the big George is the guy who had a

0:10:39puppet on his hand

0:10:40I would you know I would say that I've

0:10:41been to some beorgis what I'm saying I

0:10:45said against the wall

0:10:46yeah anyway I was watching afterwards

0:10:49you got to see the demented cheese for I

0:10:52got nothing

0:10:52the manager oh don't think they make

0:10:55artisanal pasta don't think the demand

0:10:58cheese

0:10:58yeah I think so yeah cooked to

0:10:59perfection that 10 to 12 minutes but i'm

0:11:02watching these videos of boys hunting

0:11:04huh which is your boys a Russian hunting

0:11:07dog

0:11:07well it's a bit so that my understanding

0:11:09is that the board's I was the dog was

0:11:12the exclusive dog of the Russian royal

0:11:15family so much so that after the Russian

0:11:21Revolution all the boys in Russia were

0:11:23killed because they symbolized the royal

0:11:26family

0:11:27oh my goodness oh my goodness thats

0:11:29that's complicated

0:11:31yeah and the only boys that survived

0:11:33were boys that had been given as gifts

0:11:36by the Russian royal family two royal

0:11:38families throughout Europe

0:11:40Wow as us as a token of their royal

0:11:43esteem so there were boys in England and

0:11:46presumably germany and but you can only

0:11:49find an expat bordesley yeah and then

0:11:51those boys were bred to survive the line

0:11:55and now they're our boarders of his back

0:11:57in Russia because you know of course

0:12:00there's a get all the Ark's oligarchs by

0:12:02one important way

0:12:03yeah there's a resurgence of Russian

0:12:05nationalism and the borzoi maybe has the

0:12:07symbolism of it has changed or maybe

0:12:10it's just that they want to return to

0:12:11the Czar's but watching seems it's their

0:12:14version of like small-batch whiskey

0:12:16it's like that's it is nice but it also

0:12:19liked it signifies things exactly it's

0:12:21like the contemporary fashion to wear

0:12:23powdered wigs

0:12:24ok that we have here where it's like you

0:12:27don't want people to stop wearing powder

0:12:29with you see a powder we can laugh and

0:12:30now today it's not unusual you'll see

0:12:32you go to coffee shops e45 people and

0:12:34powdered wigs sure I mean they're that

0:12:36the popularity of the musical Hamilton

0:12:37who has brought back this whole powdered

0:12:40wig scene and you know for a lot of the

0:12:42middle middle period of American history

0:12:45we we were not impressed by the by the

0:12:49founding fathers we wanted nothing to do

0:12:51with them they we consider ourselves

0:12:52contemporary modern people we want to

0:12:54make a break from that culture the last

0:12:56thing we want to do is where the ways of

0:12:58our fathers

0:12:58yeah we were wearing helmets we were

0:13:00wearing helmets and goggles caps some

0:13:03caps maybe get transistor radio

0:13:06you could have a Tamil Shanter Tamil

0:13:08Shanter write a a deerstalker uh-huh

0:13:11with a transistor radio uh but uh anyway

0:13:16these videos of boys hunting the boards

0:13:19are very fast dog faster when I was

0:13:21Gibson he was a well have we talked

0:13:25about this

0:13:25the passing of Gibson well no not the

0:13:28passing of Gibson but when Gibson

0:13:29arrived Gibson looked like a small

0:13:32borzoi but what Gibson was was a borzoi

0:13:37crossed with a whippet and a whip it is

0:13:40looks like a tiny borstal isn't a

0:13:43whippet kinda like like it's like a tiny

0:13:44ground

0:13:46uh well yeah but you know greyhounds and

0:13:49I mean they're all long-nosed running

0:13:52dogs okay and so what they did was they

0:13:54tried to get the long hair of a borzoi

0:13:58with the size of a whippet and what they

0:14:04achieved in gibson was he was a little

0:14:06bit too big to be in the family of this

0:14:10new breed they were trying to create and

0:14:13so he had kinda got bounced out of the

0:14:15breeding stock because you know they

0:14:17have to call the big ones and call the

0:14:19hairless ones and calls this is how it

0:14:21works is the process right call the ones

0:14:23that understanding wish colder ones that

0:14:25you know that can tap their hopes to do

0:14:28math so Gibson arrived on the scene and

0:14:32I said low new dog you are a small

0:14:36boards away and my mom said no the new

0:14:40breed is called the silks I can barely

0:14:44even say it

0:14:45ok

0:14:46the silken wind hound so silken wind out

0:14:52that sounds expensive because because

0:14:55when the borzoi has really long fur it

0:14:58takes on this kind of you know it looks

0:15:00like wings almost I mean it takes on

0:15:02this very silky cascading lion's mane

0:15:08and so sick silicon-silicon wind hound

0:15:15was the name of the breed that was that

0:15:19they were working toward and it was

0:15:23somewhere in the it was in the middle

0:15:24period of a breed where maybe hadn't

0:15:26been accepted all the way by the

0:15:28american kennel club but you know they

0:15:32were they were trying to trying to

0:15:34produce a line that would make this a

0:15:36real breed rather than just a crossbreed

0:15:39uh-huh

0:15:40but the problem was when I'm out in the

0:15:41world walking this dog and people come

0:15:44up and say what kind of dog is that I'm

0:15:48forced to make a choice now either eyes

0:15:50either i say out loud

0:15:55silken wind hound now you can explain

0:15:58now you got to explain or you say it's a

0:16:01half borzoi half with it or you say

0:16:04that's a small borzoi or something

0:16:07probably say but you probably get away

0:16:09with we talked about this before with

0:16:11career discussing your career you could

0:16:12probably get away with something like

0:16:14he's mostly borzoi oh that's a good one

0:16:17that's good that never occurred to me

0:16:18mostly borzoi yeah but the thing is I

0:16:20the problem with that is it sounds like

0:16:23you're borzoi got out and you know and

0:16:27had an affair with a with a mongrel and

0:16:30i will and i wanted to indicate that

0:16:32this was this was attempting at least to

0:16:35be a purebred dog

0:16:36oh yeah so essentially he's supposed to

0:16:38look like that it's this is this is what

0:16:40it's meant to be it's a little big

0:16:43it's very small compared to a borzoi but

0:16:46it's still you know

0:16:49three feet tall i mean the boards are

0:16:51huge right right right anyway as I was

0:16:54watching these videos i found a video

0:16:56which originally was a film of three

0:17:01boys killing a wolf in 1910 Wow in the

0:17:07snow

0:17:08oh you'd have a strategy right don't

0:17:10they have enough bread strategy of bread

0:17:13in strategy

0:17:14yeah one of them grabs one front leg one

0:17:16of them grabs one back leg flip them

0:17:18over and the third one goes for the neck

0:17:20Wow and this is how they hunt and they

0:17:23don't have to have a meeting or anything

0:17:24no I think they just know what they're

0:17:26doing and you're watching this thing and

0:17:28the you know it's a wolf so it's not

0:17:30going down easily and it was much I

0:17:33always imagined that it was like whip

0:17:35whip pop and then that bite on the neck

0:17:37and then it's over

0:17:39right like a very surgical process but

0:17:42like a like a like a cat on the Savannah

0:17:44like you would be some kind of like boom

0:17:46you're done

0:17:47Boop you're done right it is uglier than

0:17:49that well it was intense because you

0:17:51know the boards are big but the wolf

0:17:53outweighs them and showed her one grabs

0:17:55the front the one grabs the back but

0:17:57when they're as they're flipping the

0:17:59wolf the wolf is also spinning and

0:18:03contorting trying to get away and so

0:18:06it's really like three dogs on a wolf

0:18:09and they are trying to enact their plan

0:18:12and and the wolf is against it and it's

0:18:16it's really a free-for-all

0:18:18well um and what was crazy about this is

0:18:20i watch this video for about I don't

0:18:23know that five minutes before i realized

0:18:26that it was actually a loop

0:18:28Oh of a fight that in the loop is

0:18:33probably only 15 seconds long

0:18:36it's like a it's like a early 20th

0:18:38century dog vine

0:18:39yeah that's right it's a dog barn except

0:18:42it doesn't have that weird jittery thing

0:18:44in that binds do we're kind of you know

0:18:46it's meant to loop but that sort of

0:18:47starts oh no you're not not not not

0:18:49trying way too hard to be funny

0:18:51yeah and also there's no entrepreneurial

0:18:53aspect to it where somebody I wasn't I

0:18:56wasn't going to say anything somebody up

0:18:57the chain of vine is hoping to do an IPO

0:18:59and um and and make 40 million dollars

0:19:02and get out

0:19:03mhm this is when you'd make a wolf loop

0:19:06just out of love for the water medium

0:19:08because you use a passion project a lot

0:19:11of entrepreneurs you watching TV show

0:19:13that involves entrepreneurs that's

0:19:14always a frequent criticism is like

0:19:16first oh yeah this is this is not

0:19:18accompany this is a product and it's

0:19:19barely even a product

0:19:21yeah there's action was your passion you

0:19:23you want to have something that can

0:19:24scare you into 10x growth for your fine

0:19:27that's right i'm not going to invest my

0:19:29one dollar in this right unless I can

0:19:33see it scale but you can see what it

0:19:36what it ultimately was with somebody out

0:19:38in a snowy field hand cranking a film

0:19:41camera and the entire reel of film was

0:19:45probably just 15 seconds we're going

0:19:47right and so they caught this like

0:19:49incredible moment of these three dogs

0:19:53attacking a wolf and it you know i i've

0:19:56owned these dogs with him up with my mom

0:19:58my whole life and I've never seen one

0:20:02I didn't realize this is I thought

0:20:03Gibson was a was a was a one-off but

0:20:06he's part of a long line of large dogs

0:20:09you can so when I was born my mom was

0:20:11breeding boys

0:20:13Wow and again the boards are as tall as

0:20:17if you take a guitar case and lean it

0:20:19against a wall that's how tall boys I

0:20:22mean they're they're huge huge mhm maybe

0:20:26they're not that tall but they're very

0:20:28tall and we had them all over the house

0:20:31when I was little and then sadly at one

0:20:34point when i was still crawling

0:20:37I was at my mom's feet she was in the

0:20:40kitchen

0:20:40it was the sixties and so two things

0:20:43were true one the kitchen floor was shag

0:20:48carpet and such an interesting design

0:20:52decision which no one has done before

0:20:54sense right i think that shag carpet in

0:20:56the kitchen was precisely from november

0:20:59of 1967 to join us in 1969 then you

0:21:04would never have done it before that or

0:21:06sense Nixon doesn't get the credit he

0:21:08deserves but you know what that's

0:21:09exactly true he was creating a world in

0:21:12which it was safe to have shag carpet in

0:21:13your kitchen

0:21:14yeah and

0:21:15sure the show and also only Nixon could

0:21:17decide to remove shag carpeting from

0:21:18your kitchen you know unison the thing

0:21:20is a democratic president could couldn't

0:21:22have removed shag carpet from the

0:21:24kitchen right it took write a Republican

0:21:26to send Kissinger to take the carpet out

0:21:29also EPA right right

0:21:33sure there was a catalytic converter

0:21:34issues and is your bike coming in this

0:21:36story come get nervous I have to move i

0:21:38have to imagine that the carpet was

0:21:40either avocado mhm burnt umber mm I'll

0:21:46harvest maybe harvest at harvest was a

0:21:49harvest the other popular avocado with

0:21:51everything we owned was always avocado

0:21:52harvest was that sickening throw up

0:21:57colored yellow I think right harvest

0:21:59sure harvest sunshine or desert to find

0:22:02out desert bloom and then there was

0:22:04always that brown color that was just

0:22:06sort of what you call it you two

0:22:11chocolate donut

0:22:12oh yeah I had a I had a pic group it was

0:22:14that color you know anyway I'm sitting

0:22:17in my mom I'm at my mom's feet and her

0:22:20prized board does the the mother who had

0:22:26had produced you know the 25 puppies

0:22:30that had what she was doing her part two

0:22:33to keep this breed alive and when she

0:22:38said when she got to Washington there

0:22:39were no bores anywhere and she actually

0:22:41produce 25 puppies that ended up being

0:22:43the the dogs that created the the west

0:22:48coast

0:22:48borzoi population that's how it works

0:22:51yeah oh my gosh that's very

0:22:52entrepreneurial of her that was she

0:22:54knows she know that's the the trail that

0:22:56she was blazing which made those dogs

0:22:57have intercourse there she was aware

0:22:58that she was and I think for most of the

0:23:01seventies she followed the the line and

0:23:04saw the family tree of all these dogs

0:23:05that then you know I don't think you

0:23:07find a borzoi in the northwest didn't at

0:23:09one point end up in in this shag carpet

0:23:13kitchen in our house but so I'm sitting

0:23:16there and then all of a sudden I start

0:23:19crying she looks down and manouschka the

0:23:22the old lady who had been my my friend

0:23:27and companion

0:23:28had bitten me 17 times in the face but

0:23:33here's you kidding me

0:23:36here's my eyelid all like John this is

0:23:39awful

0:23:40almost took my nose off and it happened

0:23:42in a in a flash like she bit me 17 times

0:23:45like digit just pop ow and they had you

0:23:51know they found like 17 individual bite

0:23:53marks all on my face and my mom was like

0:23:56you know little bits of your face were

0:23:59hanging off it was it was unclear

0:24:03whether you would be scarred for life

0:24:06oh my god John so gruesome well you must

0:24:09have been so scared

0:24:10well I was just a child I don't remember

0:24:12it seems I'm sure left a lasting impact

0:24:15on me that's why I don't trust women you

0:24:17know and it's why i did bad in school

0:24:19experience is probably explains a lot

0:24:22explains a lot right it's always nothing

0:24:24that could explain every time you've

0:24:26tried to bite me what have I done

0:24:28yeah if you get pretty upset exactly

0:24:30yeah so my mom of course had two and

0:24:34minus school was hurt before i was born

0:24:35in schools are child and so she's got a

0:24:39Sophie's Choice situation well she had

0:24:41to put shared apartment get down

0:24:42I think you did the right thing well

0:24:44sure I mean you know you you turned out

0:24:46alright but then she became an

0:24:49evangelist of this whole thing that

0:24:51obviously you and I agree on also which

0:24:52is that really no dog is safe around a

0:24:55baby don't ever make the mistake of

0:24:58putting your child next to a Rottweiler

0:25:01no matter how much you feel like the

0:25:04Rottweilers a nice dog no matter no

0:25:06matter how strong stats are I mean even

0:25:09if your ticket taking 99.999% dog that

0:25:12doesn't kill a kid it only takes really

0:25:13that little bit

0:25:14that's right now they don't get extra

0:25:16credit for being mostly nice yeah the

0:25:18dog is amazing he's always been a great

0:25:19friend never done anything like this

0:25:21before and he only killed your kid one

0:25:23is all around for years and only

0:25:26happened that one time and only happened

0:25:27one time where I ripped my kids throw it

0:25:29out so we did not have boards for many

0:25:32years because that was traumatic for us

0:25:34both i may not i don't know if you've

0:25:36ever been a mother

0:25:37but when you see your kids face after

0:25:39it's been 17 times by your prize dog

0:25:42I think you do say perhaps i will wait

0:25:46that's a complicated feeling and also

0:25:47just you know being a parent I mean the

0:25:49first thing that comes to mind

0:25:50obviously you can't see your kids

0:25:51suffering but also just that feeling of

0:25:53like oh I'm a terrible person right how

0:25:55did this happen how would have I done

0:25:56how how did I let this happen and I

0:25:59thought you know she thought like we

0:26:01were both right there i was touching her

0:26:03pants you know like how much safer could

0:26:06she be and Mariska was trained to the

0:26:09degree that but you know my mom could

0:26:11make a hand signal from half a mile away

0:26:13and the dog would go left or right like

0:26:16she was voice trained and and signal

0:26:21trained like perfectly anyway so we

0:26:27didn't have borders for a long time and

0:26:28then we try to reintroduce boys into our

0:26:32lives but like a lot of highly bred dogs

0:26:36boys have a couple of problems one the

0:26:38inevitable sort of haunches problem but

0:26:41all dogs have no may take a drink and

0:26:45some people listen just hear you say

0:26:47launches on too much haunches problem

0:26:51hunches it has a heart problem bunches

0:26:53problem

0:26:54he's one of my favorite comedians Ron

0:26:56hunches homicide them like the great

0:26:58historical figure hunters pilot that's

0:26:59right and a but one of their other

0:27:04problems is that they tend to be or some

0:27:07of them are very skittish that was that

0:27:11was my and see now this again this is

0:27:13that kind of old thinking that you and I

0:27:15worry about trying to be a contemporary

0:27:16person but I feel like in my headcanon

0:27:19in in in Florida you get a lot of

0:27:22adopted greyhounds because they just

0:27:23throw him out after a while you know the

0:27:25ground have not historically been

0:27:26treated well they get to a certain point

0:27:27and then you adopt a greyhound and then

0:27:29all the grounds I've been around

0:27:30including friends of mine who adopted

0:27:32them you know you know we were just down

0:27:33the street from a dog track right and

0:27:35you could you could adopt grand but I

0:27:37just remember them being like skittish

0:27:39whoo skittish very very very onion on

0:27:43and unhappy very printer naturally

0:27:46nervous animals nervous I mean they've

0:27:48been chasing an electric rabbit

0:27:50their whole lives and I presumably being

0:27:53kept in the surplus cages that they use

0:27:56for meals or worse than feels like that

0:28:01maybe maybe got them from tysons chicken

0:28:03and their chicken cages and so these

0:28:05dogs are not what I had grand quality of

0:28:07life probably not high on the list not

0:28:09high right and I think before people

0:28:11adopted them they just became dog food

0:28:12at the end

0:28:13yeah oh gosh right into the Soylent

0:28:16Green Machine which is why there's so

0:28:18much encephalitis and dogs is that right

0:28:21well yeah Mad Dog disease you've heard

0:28:23of this house that actually that

0:28:25explains a lot too

0:28:26yeah but bored what's their animals you

0:28:28know other animals right so why are we

0:28:30even talking about him and I don't know

0:28:32but boys come out sometimes even if

0:28:37you've treated them well even if you fed

0:28:39them food that you made out of raw

0:28:42materials even if you feed them out of

0:28:44your hand like you're trying to entice a

0:28:47dough out of the forest this of the

0:28:51first boards are we got after the

0:28:53interregnum was this board that even

0:28:57though it was four feet tall at the

0:28:58shoulder it you know it if you if you

0:29:03close the book to hard to start with

0:29:06leap six feet in the air and lands you

0:29:09know try and hide under the couch Paul

0:29:11communication that's so awful

0:29:13yeah terrible part of a dog called a

0:29:15Belgian tavern isn't a Belgian to burn

0:29:19like a something you keep gravy and it's

0:29:23yeah I mean we would call it a gravy

0:29:25boat not knowing that there is actually

0:29:26a term of art sure Belgian traverse you

0:29:28having the Belgian tavern not the boat

0:29:30the tavern know that return tervuren

0:29:33turn I live with a fella a limited was

0:29:37really really poor after college like

0:29:38everybody and so I should we shared this

0:29:41what would you call it I mean it was

0:29:44barely even it was less it was less than

0:29:46in law it was basically a room in a

0:29:48bathroom and it was really really really

0:29:50small and we slept across two photons in

0:29:53undermining bathroom and so we would

0:29:56sleep in there and my friend so is the

0:29:57three of us too tall guys me and one

0:30:00guy's Belgian tavern

0:30:02and yes yeah so so yeah yeah basically

0:30:06in like what probably 250 square feet on

0:30:08my god and it was very narrow it was it

0:30:12was you know an in-law ish think it was

0:30:13somebody had taken a room that shouldn't

0:30:15really be a place where people live and

0:30:17made it into a room and we paid i think

0:30:19two hundred dollars a month for the

0:30:20three of us to live there

0:30:21mh3u plus the dog but the dog plus uh

0:30:24forget the dog's name but it was so

0:30:26narrow basically was like little little

0:30:27hallway with a place you could sleep and

0:30:30this poor dog

0:30:31it's not it's it's so awful he to adopt

0:30:34this it been like basically its entire

0:30:36life for years had been being in a cage

0:30:38and beaten

0:30:38that's it beaten cage cage beaten like

0:30:40that was this dog's life and it was

0:30:41hopelessly wrecked emotionally just

0:30:44scotch dog it was terrible this poor dog

0:30:47but like anything that happened in the

0:30:49house

0:30:49anything that happens in this poor dog

0:30:50it would it wanted to run away but it

0:30:54was the the hallway was too narrow for

0:30:56him to turn around so it would run

0:30:59backwards through the haha and yeah I

0:31:01don't know I you don't usually see a dog

0:31:03moving backwards unless something has

0:31:05gone horribly horribly wrong you see a

0:31:07dog go backwards for a second right

0:31:09we'll take a step or two but to watch a

0:31:11day a giant giant shepherd dog run

0:31:14backwards to her house is such a

0:31:15chilling image because they're looking

0:31:17over their shoulder right there kind of

0:31:18looking over this way looking over that

0:31:19way

0:31:20backing up he did enough that I think

0:31:22you got a pretty good feel for the

0:31:24hallway

0:31:24huh but it was i'm not i'm not only i'm

0:31:27laughing because I haven't thought about

0:31:28this in years but like that the image of

0:31:30that poor dog running backwards down the

0:31:32hallway was just it was so awful

0:31:33yeah I feel for those dogs that's a

0:31:36terrible thing and so but so after the

0:31:38interregnum yeah you guys so so back

0:31:40into the boards way business got into

0:31:42borzoi business we had this dog that you

0:31:45know that left up on the top of

0:31:47furniture like a mountain goat whenever

0:31:48you stirred your tea with a spoon fall

0:31:52and it was determined that this dog was

0:31:55too too nervous to live in the city

0:32:02right it was it was not it was not

0:32:06enjoyable to own this dog because the

0:32:09dog had no affection for humans of any

0:32:13kind

0:32:13and I mean what could you do with the

0:32:17dog I i had a very interesting

0:32:18experience with it i was walking the dog

0:32:21one day and was kind of walking in the

0:32:24forest and I came because we always

0:32:27voice train our dogs so that we try to

0:32:29walk home without leashes so that the

0:32:32you know it just knows to stay at your

0:32:34knee and we're walking through the

0:32:37forest where it's going to be you know

0:32:39it's easy to kind of keep the keep the

0:32:43situation under control we're all alone

0:32:45out here in the forest and we pop out of

0:32:46the woods and we're on a busy street and

0:32:50we were in the process of training this

0:32:53dog and it was not fully trained and we

0:32:56got to the street and it jumped into the

0:32:58street and it was a it was a four-lane

0:33:03road and there was a bus hurdling down

0:33:08the road and this dog just jumped right

0:33:10in front of the bus

0:33:11oh no it was it jumped into the road and

0:33:14the bus was going 60 miles an hour and

0:33:17it was seven feet from the dog and I

0:33:21went ah and I you know and I could see

0:33:24the bus driver who was also like ah and

0:33:27in the time between the bus driver

0:33:32seeing the dog but before he could slam

0:33:36his foot on the brake the dog saw the

0:33:38bus and accelerate from 0 to 60 miles an

0:33:40hour in less than a second just anything

0:33:43is it didn't it didn't keep moving

0:33:45perpendicular to the bus it turned and

0:33:49went in the direction the bus was

0:33:51traveling and accelerated away from the

0:33:54from the bus that was going 45 miles an

0:33:57hour

0:33:57like it's just took off and accelerated

0:34:00away

0:34:02I've never seen anything like it in my

0:34:03life it was the most stupendous feet of

0:34:07of animal athleticism and it was when I

0:34:11uh knows when I finally understood what

0:34:13a wonder what these dogs could do course

0:34:17it took me an hour and have to find the

0:34:18dog who

0:34:19but anyway so that dog we did not we

0:34:23I think sent back to the breeder

0:34:27perhaps to live the rest of his life on

0:34:30a farm not sure then we got a second dog

0:34:35who just a baby baby puppy at this dog

0:34:38was a lover a wonderful wonderful dog

0:34:41who had some as it grew up some awful

0:34:45hip dysplasia your own is never able to

0:34:48walk like it sort of you know its back

0:34:51legs were like an injured rabbit it was

0:34:54like he'd been hit by a car but they

0:34:55just grew up that way and we nursed this

0:34:59dog for a long time and it's just what

0:35:00it wanted to please it was the happiest

0:35:03most wonderful dog but as you know about

0:35:06my mom she's fairly unsentimental and

0:35:10that dog went back to the breeder

0:35:12perhaps to live on a farm

0:35:13uh-huh and then there was a long period

0:35:16where there were no boys again because

0:35:18we had at least figured out that the the

0:35:21Alaska Lauren was to get the Alaska line

0:35:25represented too much inbreeding perhaps

0:35:30from the puppies that my mom it's had

0:35:33ceded all this is like a fucking story

0:35:35isn't complicated back into the back in

0:35:37the sixties because we're not hosted bar

0:35:39Byron guitar that's right where the

0:35:41where the boards of Alaska coming from

0:35:43if not Seattle quickly and then so we

0:35:48went away when a long time and then

0:35:50there then we got into the silken wind

0:35:52sound era where and Gibson was the first

0:35:57and then barley barley came along and

0:35:59barley was the silken barley was a

0:36:02beautiful second wind pound let's be

0:36:04honest and we had barley for several

0:36:07years

0:36:08barley and Gibson several years they

0:36:10lived together in harmony but barley had

0:36:15probably had chronic diarrhea not here

0:36:17that I don't think that's my kind of

0:36:19that will not stand with your mom I'm

0:36:20guessing you know and i know i know that

0:36:22a lot of people try to listen to this

0:36:24program when they're eating breakfast

0:36:25lunch or dinner

0:36:26yeah and it's only a matter of time

0:36:28before we say something that will turn

0:36:30you off your food chronic means it

0:36:31happens a lot it's hard to stop

0:36:33that's right and so much just a little

0:36:34puddle call

0:36:36look what barley made oh look here it is

0:36:40it's never like it's more like you just

0:36:41live in a constant state of like well

0:36:43when's the next time I'll have to clean

0:36:44this up

0:36:45yeah and it made the bed made the

0:36:46backyard fairly uninhabitable and also

0:36:49it is taking place mostly outside

0:36:50oh yeah for the most part but it was I

0:36:54think it was self-perpetuating right if

0:36:56you whatever is causing the diarrhea if

0:36:59you're pooping in the yard and then as

0:37:02barley would do just like just lounging

0:37:05on top of these a coupon that's in the

0:37:09biome now it's everywhere it's like

0:37:11that's why you gotta wash your hands

0:37:12that's exactly right don't generally

0:37:14wash their hands so he never got better

0:37:15over the course of four or five years

0:37:17and as you know as a regular series of

0:37:19this program will know my mom is fairly

0:37:20unsentimental and barley was a lovely

0:37:24guy and dare I say it a member of our

0:37:27family and then one day barley was gone

0:37:31and we were like what my mom said well I

0:37:37just you know dog was never well

0:37:40whoa and so it went back to the breeder

0:37:43she's she's she's a tough lady stuff

0:37:46lady back to the breeder now with

0:37:48there's a lot of words you used to live

0:37:49on a farm and back to the breeder aah

0:37:51RRR these euphemisms live on a farm is a

0:37:55euphemism that's I i learned that's a

0:37:57euphemism ya back to the breeder is not

0:37:59my mom will even after 45 years of

0:38:04owning a purebred dog

0:38:06we'll take it back to the breeder or

0:38:08they just something we keep the receipt

0:38:10sir how's that work now the Breeders all

0:38:11know who the dogs were when she's

0:38:13probably kind of famous like you'd want

0:38:15you want to take you want to take her

0:38:17out with pound what's called ya whip at

0:38:19home no beautiful scissors the silken

0:38:21windows so can win town'd yeah and my

0:38:24mom was just like basically she would go

0:38:27back to the breaker and say you have

0:38:29sold me a defective dog right and i have

0:38:33no way of knowing what their negotiation

0:38:35is like or what the Breeders responses

0:38:37but you know a lot of these breeders are

0:38:39running puppy mills are all yeah 1030

0:38:42good ones are probably like Nordstrom

0:38:43where they'll take stuff back even if it

0:38:45wasn't theirs if you listen we're not

0:38:47still encouraged here this is going to

0:38:48be this is a good ass dog and

0:38:50dogs dogs papers and it's the papers i

0:38:53think that that keep the dog from going

0:38:55to live on a farm

0:38:56the papers are like a dog receipt but

0:38:58but also it's a sort of like a baby book

0:39:00yeah and i think the breeder wants to

0:39:02wants to know wants to maintain the her

0:39:05knowledge of the line of the bloodline

0:39:08that's right so she wants to keep track

0:39:10of all the of all the dogs and if if if

0:39:15dog is defective

0:39:16uh-huh she will rescue you know that'll

0:39:18change that will change the way you make

0:39:20them have intercourse right exactly i

0:39:21think i don't know MA barley was not

0:39:25effective except for this pooping and

0:39:28also barley was a smaller dog Gibson but

0:39:31he believed he was a bigger dog he was

0:39:33always dominating Gibson and socially in

0:39:36my mom's house of course as you know

0:39:38there's only one top dog

0:39:40mhm she gets up early and behind barley

0:39:43always eat when he was on a walk he

0:39:45always inched his nose one centimeter in

0:39:48front of my mom's me maybe a bad idea

0:39:51bad idea bad idea about barley was

0:39:53irrepressible and could never

0:39:57it's not that he didn't understand all

0:39:59he understood he understood he just

0:40:01wasn't gonna get with the program and so

0:40:05she's kept as long as she did

0:40:07well that's the thing but you know I

0:40:08tried to get with the program one

0:40:11well I think my right kind of my nose

0:40:14doesn't go in front of her knee no way I

0:40:19don't want her to

0:40:20I don't want to tap me on the back of

0:40:21the neck and go back at it's interesting

0:40:24though that

0:40:26Shh sure mom is so interesting um

0:40:29there's something to this dog thing

0:40:31though cause she kept at it's a lot of

0:40:33people i mean a lot of people like you

0:40:35know normal people you get a dog and

0:40:38they are inexperienced with dogs could

0:40:39be any kind of pet it could be an AI

0:40:41maybe a big screen TV but you get

0:40:43something in your life you don't really

0:40:44understand what's happening with it

0:40:45something goes bad enough and it's not

0:40:48even a question

0:40:49you are now out of that business right

0:40:52so for example like a lot of people you

0:40:53know you get you get a dog the dog bite

0:40:55somebody

0:40:56not only is that dog gonna live on a

0:40:58farm but you don't wait call we're done

0:41:02with dogs we are never have

0:41:04doing that again i'm just i'm interested

0:41:05that your mom seems to have some kind of

0:41:07stake in this and with this particular

0:41:09bloodline this particular breed ish area

0:41:13of the boys are like dogs with now is as

0:41:16gifts in the end of the line for her and

0:41:18she hasn't got another one how she know

0:41:21so at the at the at the last right my

0:41:24mom this is the thing

0:41:25Gibson was a constant companion for my

0:41:28mom for 13 years spent I mean they were

0:41:33never apart and they were in this

0:41:36strange marriage where the kind of

0:41:42didn't really like each other maybe I

0:41:45mean they tolerated each other

0:41:47Gibson adored her worshipped her but she

0:41:51never quite did what he wanted all

0:41:54Gibson wanted was to was to sleep on the

0:41:56couch and eat spaghetti

0:41:57yeah and my mom never let you like to

0:41:59see like walks to write and he loved

0:42:01walks so they would go on walks and they

0:42:04loved that activity together but she

0:42:07never let him eat spaghetti and she

0:42:08never let him get on the couch

0:42:09why not uh because he because it's her

0:42:13couch personal that's true and you don't

0:42:15want dog here on the couch and you don't

0:42:17want the dog to think that it belongs on

0:42:18the causes that couch in the back the

0:42:20back window

0:42:21that's right and you don't feed the dog

0:42:23spaghetti because you're not a dingaling

0:42:25right dogs a cat a cat that loves to

0:42:28getty that's what's even weirder

0:42:30oh yeah well and the cat we've got now I

0:42:32hate me i had made some late-night

0:42:34macaroni and cheese few weeks ago I sat

0:42:37down for a second I I turned back to the

0:42:39TV and sit in the dark matter

0:42:40well I've never seen this cat devour

0:42:43food like the one time i put macaroni on

0:42:45the floor she went bananas now my

0:42:47understanding and I may be wrong but it

0:42:49is that cats are pure carnivores and

0:42:51they don't want to eat anything that

0:42:53isn't that isn't meat

0:42:55I don't know my cats have like any kind

0:42:58of vegetable portion of their diet we

0:43:01should have John syracuse about this

0:43:03might be an adaptation or evolution call

0:43:05me that they might have evolved you

0:43:07might have evolved well-liked even since

0:43:08we got the cash you might have evolved a

0:43:10little bit you never know we should ask

0:43:11about that but now i don't know i can't

0:43:13explain why they would want pasta maybe

0:43:14it's the snow

0:43:15I you know these are salty pastas might

0:43:17not be the pasta it might be as with

0:43:19humans it's you know possible to be

0:43:21honest it's a convenience for butter and

0:43:22salt like so many things in life

0:43:24well and also let me I'm sorry to the

0:43:27people who have persisted in trying to

0:43:28eat their lunch or dinner

0:43:30yeah but this is always been a feeling

0:43:32of mine

0:43:33what does pasta most resembled from the

0:43:36natural world worms or uh is any trails

0:43:45Oh cuts it looks like guts and that's

0:43:48why would definitely put differently you

0:43:50watches on be showing you see some guts

0:43:52you think wow that that looks a lot like

0:43:54lasagna

0:43:55yeah that's right and so the reason I

0:43:58think that we love pasta is that it

0:44:01reminds us in our primitive mind of

0:44:04eating the best part of a kill

0:44:07uh-huh which is the entrails so we sit

0:44:11down to a big plate of spaghetti with

0:44:12meat sauce and a little longer controls

0:44:15carnivores I bet entrails are a comfort

0:44:17food em trails are the best because

0:44:19they're also full of the of grains and

0:44:22other nutritious all I see your point

0:44:26because it's like a double meal you get

0:44:27like you get you get a meal inside them

0:44:29you know you get like a little prize you

0:44:30get you whatever they ate their

0:44:32basically and that never occurred to me

0:44:34John that's brilliant not to go too deep

0:44:36into this

0:44:36well what are sausages are sausages are

0:44:40like to build a purpose in trail they're

0:44:42stuffed and they're basically literally

0:44:44they're literally intestines stuff with

0:44:47other parts of the animal it's pretty

0:44:49it's pretty it's pretty grotesque if you

0:44:51really think about which is our natural

0:44:53thing you kill you kill the thing and

0:44:55everybody jumps around you rip it open

0:44:57and the first thing there is basically a

0:44:59pile of sausages I enjoy sausage right

0:45:02examine their sausages filled with

0:45:04whatever the Antelope was most recently

0:45:07eating so I think that a cat might think

0:45:12when it encounters macaroni and cheese

0:45:14that here are some delicious entrails of

0:45:17something and I are cats colorblind

0:45:19I'm sorry color color sight-impaired I

0:45:22think I believe John siracusa yeah a

0:45:27kooza gusta a barracuda attic with my

0:45:32might know better weather cats have

0:45:35evolved to be colorblind

0:45:37ok no it's an annotation that's right in

0:45:39order to better see prey in the night I

0:45:43like those like those goggles this is

0:45:45seal team six where's SEAL Team six

0:45:47copies if you're in SEAL Team six you're

0:45:49basically simulating being a cat that's

0:45:51right you put on those goggles and

0:45:52suddenly you can see everything better

0:45:54you're simulating being a being a cat in

0:45:56a in a world that has been terraformed

0:45:58under green Sun mmm morning a green moon

0:46:02let's call it a green green moon shots

0:46:04it's reflecting the light off the green

0:46:06sign

0:46:06yeah yeah okay all right the baby sun

0:46:09hits the green moon you get double green

0:46:11now that's why any cackles cackles

0:46:14cackles or or it is a I'm sorry not a

0:46:18science fiction universe about a

0:46:21speculative fiction universe where the

0:46:23moon on this planet is actually made of

0:46:25green cheese

0:46:26oh boy so the Sun could be any color the

0:46:30light is reflecting off the green cheese

0:46:32and as you know because we're receiving

0:46:36the greenlight it means that actually

0:46:39every other color was being reflected in

0:46:43the green was the one that wasn't being

0:46:45is that because of refraction John it

0:46:47well it's sort of like a performer is a

0:46:48form of refraction it's like a prism but

0:46:53it's like it's like a prism except it's

0:46:56an innocent project innocence project

0:46:59for light it's an innocence project for

0:47:01light to using DNA to find just the

0:47:03green light exactly

0:47:04okay that makes sense i'm glad that we

0:47:06had that I'm glad we worked through this

0:47:07ourselves that we're helping a lot of

0:47:09people today but you can imagine now

0:47:11imagine being in SEAL Team six

0:47:14uh-huh okay and get a mission that's

0:47:17right you've got a mission but maybe the

0:47:21US Navy is training these guys because

0:47:22they're aware of a planet that has these

0:47:26conditions and seal team guys are

0:47:29actually astronauts astronauts in

0:47:32training and they're not even aware of

0:47:34it

0:47:35oh that would make a really good

0:47:36speculative fiction novel right folks

0:47:39see that's so smart it says again but

0:47:42it's like ender's game right we can't

0:47:43really tell you spoiler we can't really

0:47:45tell you what you're training for and

0:47:47you may actually be doing the mission

0:47:48check it out when you're training for

0:47:51your through training you think that you

0:47:53are in somalia in the middle of the

0:47:55night to kill a warlord thank you for

0:47:57your surface but really who foes are

0:48:01part of a secret one world government

0:48:03that's under the North Pole and they

0:48:05come from a planet that's why they have

0:48:07big big almond-shaped eyes they come

0:48:09from a planet where the moon is made of

0:48:11green cheese right right and this group

0:48:13of highly trained soldiers is actually

0:48:15the first astronaut corps to return to

0:48:18the info home planet

0:48:20ok I got it and here's the thing we call

0:48:23a terraforming which is very earth

0:48:24centric that you might be very deforming

0:48:27so they're going to find a way to make

0:48:28our planet green because that's how they

0:48:30roll like greener not a fake ring like

0:48:32we've got like a real green like a green

0:48:33cheese maybe they're going to do that

0:48:35maybe they're going to terraform the

0:48:36moon to turn it from the Luna for me

0:48:39Luna form which is a great kind of a man

0:48:43in a uniform

0:48:43that's right it's a it's a sports bra

0:48:45but from what front lifts and separates

0:48:49thank you

0:48:51I don't you know want to reveal the

0:48:54money machine counterfeit money machine

0:48:56thank you and he was polite

0:49:00how many times have we watched the I

0:49:03don't know what I've never been happier

0:49:07than sitting around in our underwear

0:49:09watching that you know in the holidays

0:49:11the salad days we haven't even

0:49:13discovered the mighty boosh all that's a

0:49:15hell of a show

0:49:16captain Kevin script in cabinets I'm I'm

0:49:19starting I'm never steal team dxtory is

0:49:21starting to worry me

0:49:23ok also what everybody come back to

0:49:25create lists because i think i may have

0:49:26discovered some of the greatest pages on

0:49:28wikipedia and they're about Crayola

0:49:30colors that please continue

0:49:32no no I that you have you have just

0:49:34dropped some major you have dropped a

0:49:36major diarrhea of science right

0:49:39chronically Kyle the chronic i wanna

0:49:41whenever somebody says i have found the

0:49:43best part of wikipedia you have my

0:49:45undivided attention because I spend more

0:49:48time on wikipedia then I do with my own

0:49:50family

0:49:51that's as it should be i mean you got

0:49:53more learning from Wikipedia Oh have you

0:49:54ever donated to wikipedia when they do

0:49:56those fundraising things I know this is

0:49:58going to be embarrassing and we

0:49:59shouldn't know I give my new things but

0:50:01haven't given my need them and the

0:50:03reason is really terrible

0:50:04I i hate those ads they make me they

0:50:06make me angry and it's terrible because

0:50:07i use it maybe the site that i use more

0:50:09than any other full stop

0:50:11so should I should do that I i use my

0:50:13money the following way I let the market

0:50:15decide when an entrepreneur comes up

0:50:18with an idea who i will i will let i

0:50:22will my money is like well it's the

0:50:24market right and so wikipedia has not

0:50:28successfully entrepreneurs you two into

0:50:32that oil out of my money right they

0:50:34entrepreneur you right out of your money

0:50:37wikipedia hasn't it's like NPR I just

0:50:40turn it off when it asks me for think we

0:50:42have a funny story there are mutual

0:50:44friends got Simpson he he gives money

0:50:46all kinds of stuff like hell just setup

0:50:48setup easy time was that he would just

0:50:50sit up and I drinking and just every

0:50:51night he just donate more money to fix

0:50:52kids palette in Iraq like you are very

0:50:54generous guy you can do that for a very

0:50:56small amount of money you can fix the

0:50:57kids palette

0:50:58yeah it's a really nice project and I

0:51:00get things like that but he inserted a

0:51:03thought technology for me that I have

0:51:04trouble on thinking now which is you

0:51:07know this is boring but but you know p

0:51:09yeah

0:51:10PPS if the kind of things that they run

0:51:13as they're like Marky programs they put

0:51:16it this way early nineteen nineties when

0:51:18I would when I was very into getting

0:51:21very giving very into public meetings

0:51:22very into public radio very into public

0:51:24TV you know they would show during

0:51:25during the fun drives they would show

0:51:27something they didn't usually show which

0:51:29was a marathon of things like Fawlty

0:51:31Towers oh yeah that's what got me into

0:51:33fawlty towers and I remember actually i

0:51:36was recording since this is so dorky but

0:51:38I remember recording fawlty towers and

0:51:40the marathon was on and I called to

0:51:41donate and I had a VHS for years of my

0:51:44name running across the street screaming

0:51:46I don't really need to be a big deal to

0:51:48be on TV

0:51:49ya did it was it like that Bank of old

0:51:51people answering phones and then you one

0:51:53of them was talking to you now oh yeah I

0:51:55did that I mean I did that was not even

0:51:57see me don't know I was at home but but

0:52:00it was still very much the day where you

0:52:01have usually same things that you have a

0:52:02man and a woman sitting there not

0:52:04they pre-taped them and they buy them in

0:52:05packages so little better will be things

0:52:08like us whatever Suze Orman is the

0:52:11leopard skin moneylady there's her you

0:52:13get things like the brain training stuff

0:52:15all this brain training stuff or you

0:52:17could do up there is always a lot of doo

0:52:19wop sure and I don't know but even like

0:52:21kqed kqe these main kqd has the largest

0:52:25listenership for a given public radio

0:52:27station in the United States really yeah

0:52:30it's really quite large but it was WGN

0:52:32in Boston

0:52:33ah I don't think so WBEZ Boston so21 of

0:52:39you or I their day to resume good

0:52:44uh anyway but you know the trouble is we

0:52:47need those brain training things which I

0:52:49have to say have off for a long time

0:52:50seemed kinda like BS it's one thing to

0:52:52say oh grandma does sodoku and she seems

0:52:55a little smarter and when that are going

0:52:56to say BS or PBS ppl peanut butter

0:53:00canned shit anyway i'm looking at the

0:53:04page essentially this links if you ok no

0:53:06it's all right sorry sorry i sent you a

0:53:08link to the list of crayola crayon

0:53:10colors

0:53:11oh this is this something where the

0:53:13flesh turns into a flasher

0:53:15oh yeah there's stuff my bad you didn't

0:53:17wash and you got the waters what I saw

0:53:19one time I remember like an engineering

0:53:20diagram of the changes over the years

0:53:23and this one's more textual it's this is

0:53:26so beautiful and amazing

0:53:28oh I didn't know anything about this

0:53:31marilyn is a color called macaroni and

0:53:33cheese introducing any number three

0:53:35look at this robin's egg blue you know I

0:53:37think what you just did was you just you

0:53:40just foreshadowed my next collection all

0:53:43it's a great look at that look at that

0:53:44image huh

0:53:44when you let me have some of those in

0:53:45your house can you imagine what that

0:53:47would be like to imagine

0:53:48uh-huh let's imagine look around look at

0:53:51these typefaces to permanent geranium

0:53:53lake 234 my song

0:54:00he's off supply got a big weights look

0:54:01like permanent geranium lake is some

0:54:04some natural feature on the on the

0:54:07uniform

0:54:08what's been uniformed yeah sure it's

0:54:10raining in like maybe like you I took

0:54:11you off that first we'll have to say I

0:54:13think if you're gonna you're gonna be a

0:54:14new pho it's a good idea if you have the

0:54:17technology

0:54:17GN assume you do to build your base

0:54:18under the North Pole who's going to

0:54:20check who's gonna check there

0:54:22that's right they don't even dust that

0:54:23like you don't know I mean having people

0:54:24at the North Pole right now

0:54:26mm I counting a counting the guys from

0:54:30Top Gear accounting Jeremy Clarkson

0:54:32administration three humans

0:54:36I'm so I would love it if we just stayed

0:54:37there three human sense 700,000 UFOs

0:54:42under the under the ice cap Alexa how

0:54:46many people are at the North Pole right

0:54:47now nothing

0:54:53oh well that baffled alexa try again

0:54:55I'll try with i'll try with Siri how

0:54:58many people are at the North Pole right

0:55:00now huh i'm gonna say 12 Siri is it

0:55:06raining

0:55:08uh-oh there's a place called North Pole

0:55:11Alaska and that has a population of 2178

0:55:14now I've been to North Pole ask that

0:55:16seems that's that seems that's that's

0:55:17some shot in gaming John no no the

0:55:20reason that North Pole Alaska is named

0:55:22what is named is who sends letters to

0:55:24the north pole 0 children

0:55:27that's right and if children send their

0:55:30children charities right if children

0:55:32sends a letter to the North Pole words

0:55:35ago sea ice and they just throw away

0:55:38right except they don't they send them

0:55:41to the North Pole Alaska you think they

0:55:43still do that

0:55:44sure their kids all around i mean think

0:55:46about all the kids that all the kitchen

0:55:48children if children writes a letter it

0:55:50goes through the postal system and

0:55:51somehow that gets conveyed to North Pole

0:55:53Alaska that's right that's tremendous

0:55:55that's right if you know do they know

0:55:57it's Christmas in Africa yes they do

0:55:59they know they just don't care because

0:56:00they don't really observe it there they

0:56:02know now because of Bob Geldof right and

0:56:05what it was a free service

0:56:07it's right in the song send your letters

0:56:11to our North Pole Alaska I think it so I

0:56:14think it was sung by willie nelson you

0:56:16let and your leadership in like manner

0:56:20shape that's right let it let it in one

0:56:22of these colors one of these Crayola

0:56:24colors i think i'm not even i'm not even

0:56:26out of the Reds dark Venetian red yeah

0:56:30how do they know how do they know what

0:56:32dark Venetian red looks like i guess in

0:56:35some ways they get to be the armature

0:56:36look at somebody made a distinction of

0:56:39thistle vs orchid macaroni and cheese

0:56:42and looks very much like the color that

0:56:45we used to call flesh that's right yes

0:56:48it doesn't look like macaroni and cheese

0:56:50though it looks like macaroni and cheese

0:56:51that somebody put some ketchup in one of

0:56:54these from hang on 1903 all they could

0:56:56name the shit out of some colors in 1903

0:56:58dood van Dyke Brown as scary as i got to

0:57:03make some Van Dyke Brown you got burnt

0:57:05or raw umber yeah inchworm inchworm

0:57:09mountain meadow flash tent there it is

0:57:11flesh flash flesh for fantasy permanent

0:57:15magenta / but hey there's a permanent

0:57:21geranium lake

0:57:22look at that hold on right in them okay

0:57:25see now I'm starting to get suspicious

0:57:26we're looking through the yellows then

0:57:28we come down to the Greens then we come

0:57:30down to the blues and right in the

0:57:32middle between turquoise blue and

0:57:33sky-blue there is a color which is the

0:57:38darkest black blue in the world

0:57:41completely out of place

0:57:43uh-huh this color wheel and it's called

0:57:45outer space

0:57:46what you find that what you're not an

0:57:49outer SE 1998 to present differently

0:57:52after after we became after the UFOs

0:57:55revealed themselves i don't think i've

0:57:57ever seen that color before outer space

0:57:59I'm not sure I mean really fully

0:58:00experiencing that color because I look

0:58:01at it as I stare at it it's kind of

0:58:03black it's kind of blew its kind of

0:58:05green right and it was not belong

0:58:07between turquoise blue sky blue it

0:58:09belongs down by midnight blue it belongs

0:58:11but between midnight blue and navy blue

0:58:13why is it where it is if if not if not

0:58:16as a as an indicator as a trigger

0:58:19maybe uh huh to remind us how I see if

0:58:221998 let's get a little shot of what

0:58:24outer space looks like it's getting

0:58:26talking about this let's get him talking

0:58:27about it we've got we've got the first

0:58:29astronaut corps in training

0:58:30eventually we're gonna do the reveal and

0:58:33when who's going to do the reveal this

0:58:35is why this is why the Republican

0:58:36Congress won't consider a new Supreme

0:58:39Court doesn't want to meet with them

0:58:41they won't even meet with them because

0:58:42they know that work

0:58:43I mean close to reveal day revealed is

0:58:46coming revealed days come almost every

0:58:48one of these names not everyone but many

0:58:50of these names introduced in the

0:58:51nineties especially the middle late

0:58:53nineties the that many of them do sound

0:58:55like something from urban dictionary up

0:58:59their color called neo-maxi zoom dweeby

0:59:03I don't think so but she can get you got

0:59:07mango tango which sounds like a sammy

0:59:08hagar record and for Mango Tango guitar

0:59:13can shoot the balls off of a bowl from I

0:59:18don't know where that come from but that

0:59:20should do calm now

0:59:22banana mania right all of these sound

0:59:25like drinks at a Jimmy Buffett ah well

0:59:30blue yonder that totally sell these do

0:59:32purple mountains majesty

0:59:33yep yep I just feel like I'm at feel

0:59:35like I'm at cabana and Key West can get

0:59:37you can I kind of cool get your fresh

0:59:39raspberry jam haha how the razzmatazz we

0:59:43try to razzmatazz

0:59:44oh you know it's good i'm still deciding

0:59:47between the mobile lists and the picture

0:59:49but in the fuzzy wuzzy these also matrix

0:59:51deserts and now that doesn't drink

0:59:53timberwolf antique brass antique brass

0:59:55antique brass they so there is a

0:59:57razzmatazz razzmatazz present at

0:59:57razzmatazz razzmatazz present at

1:00:00this is a what's called a hot-pink what

1:00:02we call that yeah it's a hot pink but

1:00:03look up there jazz berry jam is really i

1:00:05mean are these drag queen names

1:00:08ladies and gentlemen give a nice warm

1:00:10welcome to eggplant has berry jam or

1:00:16yeah or are they are they drink names

1:00:17and then here we get down below the

1:00:19Pink's first of all eggplant doesn't

1:00:21belong under jazz berry jam either you

1:00:23should edit this you should have this

1:00:24page we get down below carmine and blush

1:00:28and tickle me pink who know right yeah I

1:00:32see a big get pink pink pink pink blush

1:00:34right tickle me pink mobilis sherbert

1:00:38this is sure but how do you say it

1:00:40well it should be sure but but that is a

1:00:43sherbert they haven't listed as sherbert

1:00:46oh listen to this triple a sweet name

1:00:48for a dog if sherbet or sherbert

1:00:51sherbert all sherbert with you get Nancy

1:00:53Chandler sherbert that would be a great

1:00:56name for a son

1:00:57haha those are bird is my boy sherbert

1:01:00and people be like uh-huh uh-huh that's

1:01:03if you look at if you look at pink

1:01:05sherbert you look over in the metadata

1:01:08and it was formerly known as brink pink

1:01:11drink pink you think thats that's

1:01:14considered insensitive to the pink

1:01:17community or something

1:01:18uh oh it was formerly known as bring

1:01:19pink between 1998 in 2005 so sometime in

1:01:232005 somebody a crayola was like bring

1:01:25Pink's not working let's call it pink

1:01:27sherbert fuzzy-wuzzy used to be called

1:01:30fuzzy-wuzzy brown which sounds like a

1:01:33question

1:01:34fuzzy wuzzy wasn't very fuzzy wuzzy who

1:01:37about that then we get down into this

1:01:39bottom part of the color wheel where all

1:01:42these colors just don't belong to we

1:01:44don't belong it seems like sometimes

1:01:45when you get into the browns and grays

1:01:47people get confused about how to

1:01:48continue

1:01:49well I do this is what you want manatee

1:01:50manatee is a kind of blue gray put it

1:01:53out put it right off the key west right

1:01:55with the recipes for their very they're

1:01:56gentle giants I feel like own we're not

1:01:59even down to razzle-dazzle rose and

1:02:03blizzard blue well but so I arranged my

1:02:06shirts by color did you know this if you

1:02:08like i didn't i didn't go without

1:02:11respect to collar type or french cuff

1:02:13you know you totally by telling you like

1:02:15those hipsters with the books

1:02:17oh yeah except i hate that when I walk

1:02:19into somebody's house in their

1:02:20bookshelves are arranged by color I want

1:02:21to kick them that's it have you seen the

1:02:23new thing where people went backwards to

1:02:26start with the page is facing out what

1:02:28was the point of that it's it's really

1:02:31telling to me that's telling that they

1:02:33bought their books by the pound

1:02:35yeah basically you could buy books by

1:02:36the foot like ESO books by the foot you

1:02:39could buy them and you you're certainly

1:02:41not going to read them they're mainly

1:02:42just things to fill up your bookcase

1:02:43full of books to fill up the Billy

1:02:46because you know Jonathan Coulton family

1:02:48arranged their books by color at one

1:02:50point and I challenge him on it was like

1:02:53you better explain this or I'm gonna

1:02:54kick you right in the knee and he said I

1:02:56can find any book on that shelf

1:02:58huh and so I had him turn around and i

1:03:01named a couple of books and he turned

1:03:03and went right to him

1:03:04we're being insensitive I don't know I

1:03:06bet you there i bet you we have

1:03:07listeners that are looking at they're

1:03:09color-coordinated bookshelf right now

1:03:10and wondering whether they made a

1:03:13mistake or whether that's really

1:03:16something that they're gonna stick by

1:03:18it's a little cute but I arrange my

1:03:21shirts by color and I had a conversation

1:03:23with somebody the other day when I was

1:03:24like do you do you imagine that I should

1:03:27put my short sleeve shirts in with the

1:03:29long sleeve shirts because the short

1:03:32sleeve shirts belong there

1:03:34according to the color wheel principle

1:03:36even though they're totally different

1:03:38kind of shirt this person advise me yes

1:03:41they thought that the shirts a lot of

1:03:44short sleeves belong mixed in with the

1:03:47long sleeves in order to have them

1:03:50arranged by color and I did it and then

1:03:52I hated it and I took all the short

1:03:54sleeve shirts out and arrange them by

1:03:56color on a separate track I I think

1:04:00there's something to be learned from how

1:04:03libraries were run for a long time which

1:04:07is that the books are put onto the

1:04:09shelves in a very specific order that

1:04:11never wavers and if you want some

1:04:13flexibility and how you find stuff you

1:04:15use the card catalog so you can go to

1:04:17subject you go to offer you could get

1:04:20CSC also or something like that i don't

1:04:22think that should be happening

1:04:23tactically at the at the book level now

1:04:25at the shirt level for most people i'd

1:04:27say they can get away with that in your

1:04:28case you have a fair amount of shirts

1:04:30right

1:04:31sadly i have i have a ridiculous amount

1:04:34of shirts and this is it's beyond fair

1:04:36amount it's beyond unfair amount it's

1:04:39beyond unfair amount m2 redonkulous it's

1:04:43even past ridiculous it's all the way to

1:04:45redonkulous which I'll notice is one of

1:04:47these chrome Crayola colors redonkulous

1:04:49and also would be a great name for a kid

1:04:51on suites resort surely be pretty name

1:04:54for a girl

1:04:55cerulli and corn flour so really it

1:04:58would be a great name for a girl that

1:04:59you were sending to to live under the

1:05:01North Pole as a kind of emissary that's

1:05:04a good writer like you don't have a last

1:05:05name she's just called cerulean truly

1:05:07and she walks up and down the halls in a

1:05:09pencil skirt carrying eight some kind of

1:05:11like armload of got here got a hair in a

1:05:15bun in the oven or some kind of some

1:05:18kind of what was that what was that a

1:05:20movie with the bruce willis where the

1:05:23girl had orange chair all little dallas

1:05:27multipass mono yeah it's a it's a

1:05:30fulfillment of fifth element in dallas

1:05:32multipass yeah so it's a kind of Fifth

1:05:34Element scene where cerulli and the has

1:05:38like crazy hair

1:05:40uh-huh she's carrying arms not blue hair

1:05:42it's absolutely too on the nose yeah you

1:05:44might have

1:05:45she might have a maximum red purple or

1:05:47mulberry or thistle hair yeah it's well

1:05:49it's lesbian here let's be honest the

1:05:51people the best hair in the world is

1:05:54lesbian hair I want to get my haircut

1:05:55wherever the lesbians go exactly the

1:05:58astonishing is astonishing how good

1:06:00LESBIAN terrorist it is always the best

1:06:02hair even the lesbians have thicker hair

1:06:05John it seems to me like a lot of

1:06:06lessons have a nice thick head like you

1:06:08know you and I we both suffer from this

1:06:09problem we have we have a dense amount

1:06:11of hair but we have skinny hairs densely

1:06:13packed i think even the skinhead

1:06:15lesbians have better haircuts that we do

1:06:17that's just it doesn't it's I've never

1:06:19done it doesn't seem fair because God

1:06:20God love and they've been through a lot

1:06:22they deserve the good hair but could you

1:06:23share a little love at this point I mean

1:06:25you know it's 2016 kind of get a decent

1:06:27haircut

1:06:27well just make a book where it is

1:06:29explained just just make some kind of

1:06:31book where you explain what you're doing

1:06:33why it is that you have the better even

1:06:36asking for a phone number I'm saying I'm

1:06:38saying just gave me an idea how to even

1:06:40approach this that's right give me an

1:06:41idea just share your wisdom

1:06:44it's not it isn't like thrifting it's

1:06:46not where you go somewhere and it didn't

1:06:47work out your fine I'm out of the game

1:06:49for two months if I don't make the right

1:06:51decision I'm certainly not gonna have

1:06:52like 80 laying here

1:06:53well this is the thing about was being

1:06:54here it is good across the spectrum

1:06:56right it's not okay i see bad lesbian

1:06:59haircuts much anymore so this is what

1:07:01I'm saying even though even that the

1:07:02typical like Butch like flattop they get

1:07:05a better flattop and I can get a better

1:07:06flattop it's denser hair i don't i don't

1:07:09think it's about the hair i think it's

1:07:10about the science or speculation you

1:07:13think they're working for the UFOs you

1:07:15think they might be working with

1:07:16cerulean I think that cerulean

1:07:18definitely has a lesbian haircut she saw

1:07:20regardless of sexual preference because

1:07:23she's orientation gender let's set those

1:07:25things aside she has you go you go

1:07:27that's got a goddamn lesbian haircut and

1:07:29God love her because she's got info

1:07:30technology right she wins she has she

1:07:33met him she might have taught them how

1:07:35to haridwar know about that but it's

1:07:37been i think i think was being here has

1:07:39been you're gonna go right past

1:07:40terraform oh I didn't even hear hear

1:07:43form a cerulean harrogate those static

1:07:46she's got a clipboard

1:07:48no not a clipboard I think she's got an

1:07:49arm full of Kindles i just got I see

1:07:52she's got like nine Kindles and she's

1:07:54cradling them like a like a bunch of

1:07:56baby ducks who when she's walking down a

1:07:58hall on ice hall under the ocean and in

1:08:04a pencil skirt in a pencil skirt and

1:08:05it's just like something out of out of a

1:08:08a will ferrell movie or whatever whoever

1:08:10the will is that has that the bad kids

1:08:13that everybody hates sure you got the

1:08:16guy that's the guy from men in black the

1:08:17fresh prince many african-american so

1:08:20he's walking a woman he's walking along

1:08:23a whole and there's a bunch of photos of

1:08:24different kinds with guy that looks like

1:08:26a rhinoceros the banned from the city &

1:08:29cantina see now right right the

1:08:31Hammerhead guy and she's just a human

1:08:33with killer hair carrying an armload of

1:08:36Kindles that is not a hurry at all

1:08:38though a furry

1:08:40no but she had a Chippewa Fox tickler

1:08:43she made and she's not a furry but she

1:08:46may have a rabbit tail butt plug it in

1:08:49because that's what they do now right

1:08:53that's just what they do you think

1:08:54that's for me that's that's not for you

1:08:56that's for me this is this is this is

1:08:58for me i'm gonna i can do my work

1:09:00I'm not here to be judged i got an

1:09:01excellent haircut and I got it I got a

1:09:03butt plug is me and yeah that's right my

1:09:04cut a little hole in the back of my

1:09:06pencil skirt so that my grabber tailback

1:09:08clicks and stick out but i'm not a furry

1:09:10em I'm just doing this for me

1:09:12yeah yeah this does I'm not part of some

1:09:15subculture this isn't like a yellow

1:09:16handkerchief in my right bat back pocket

1:09:19or yellow handkerchief in your butt

1:09:20anyway so when i'm organizing my shirts

1:09:28i always get down here just like on this

1:09:29curio love color wheel

1:09:31yeah I get down to the to the to the

1:09:33backside and I don't know where to put

1:09:37the Greens you know what I mean I have

1:09:41trouble processing greens because I get

1:09:43a little confused about the different

1:09:44greens because here they put yellow they

1:09:48put they started red and then they put

1:09:51then they go to orange yellow green

1:09:53right that's the that's the roy g biv

1:09:56Rajat Bhatia but I start with white

1:09:59because where does that mean you have a

1:10:01lot of white shirts if you have as many

1:10:02shirts as me and where do you fit the

1:10:04whites i think in the alphabetic colors

1:10:06you start with white and then with them

1:10:07with black you start with white but you

1:10:09can't immediately go from white to red

1:10:11you have to go from white girl like that

1:10:14I'm feeling extremely old fashioned

1:10:15right now because I feel like there's

1:10:17almost exactly one kind of thing that

1:10:20should be organized by color and that

1:10:22would be convinces like crayons that are

1:10:25used for imbuing color onto other things

1:10:27organizing those things by color makes a

1:10:30lot of sense organizing most other

1:10:31things that is just not the way my brain

1:10:33works well I I feel based on utility

1:10:36like the way i would organize a kitchen

1:10:38which is mostly not much at all but like

1:10:40I always put the color in this one area

1:10:41at the high-frequency non knives go in

1:10:45this drawer the lower frequency non nice

1:10:47going this other drawer and if anything

1:10:49changes that system it's very

1:10:50off-putting to me so non knife is like a

1:10:52spatula or a spoon that has holes in it

1:10:54right get a slotted spoon won't have the

1:10:57the temperature thing you got the

1:10:59silicon bans any of the things that you

1:11:01need and that is all the various cooking

1:11:02app

1:11:03rats but I would never think about

1:11:04organizing those I mean even even stuff

1:11:07that's the princes the problem this is

1:11:09like one of those design kinds of things

1:11:10is like something that looks well

1:11:12organized is not necessarily going to be

1:11:15a useful thing

1:11:17oh no wait a minute go on well you know

1:11:19there's these trends that people go

1:11:21through the whole knowing things like

1:11:22I'm gonna lay things out in this grid

1:11:24and it's gonna be more like I understand

1:11:26that you know if that makes you happy

1:11:27like that to me is like a bug like God

1:11:30love you have fun with that

1:11:31that's um Adam Savage stuff he said he's

1:11:34an older is an older you have seen him

1:11:36know you know what Adam Savage does he

1:11:37make stuff

1:11:38yeah that's true he makes stuff just an

1:11:40old we watch out we watched show where

1:11:42he made a cannon out of a water heater

1:11:43yesterday who hasn't made a cannon out

1:11:45of a water you I thought about it but

1:11:47what kind of what kind of cannon ball do

1:11:49you shoot out of a water heater

1:11:51I don't know we skipped over the dark

1:11:52knight after that it feels it feels to

1:11:53me like what you're doing when you make

1:11:55a canada of a water heater is you are

1:11:57shooting piglets

1:11:59oh ok right I I suppose you're sending

1:12:02the pictures you've seen the pictures of

1:12:03the guy that goes out and Noel's parking

1:12:06lots right where he moves the cars

1:12:07around until they're all in the right

1:12:09spot I think you know that stuff does

1:12:13not tickle my brain the tickle the way

1:12:14it was a lot of other people's brains

1:12:16what about people that talk like this on

1:12:18the internet and apps like little mouth

1:12:20sounds always talk about smacking oh

1:12:25yeah it does that tickle your friends I

1:12:27a.s.a ski ask you to

1:12:32it's like asking yard ask you what's

1:12:34interesting is in the section called

1:12:35multicultural section 2.5 of the list of

1:12:37crayola crayon colors section called

1:12:40multicultural i think is interesting for

1:12:42several reasons because well let's take

1:12:44his red let's say what we haven't been

1:12:46saying which is that for our youth for

1:12:48our crayon our prime crayon using years

1:12:51I suspect you and i both had one crayon

1:12:53in anything over probably starting at

1:12:55the 16 but definitely 48 certainly in

1:12:57the 64 your crayon if memory serves was

1:13:00called flash installed flesh and the

1:13:02thing is it was the was the flesh color

1:13:04of somebody you really wouldn't like it

1:13:06was like somebody from like North

1:13:07Georgia it was if you like a peach

1:13:10oh yeah and then at a certain point was

1:13:11determined I think very intelligently

1:13:13that the hey you know that's that's

1:13:14that's a little bit

1:13:16that's a little bit let me that's the

1:13:17sort of normative there are a lot of

1:13:19there are a lot of other kinds of flesh

1:13:22I only I may be misusing the word

1:13:24normative because i have used it

1:13:26incorrectly on purpose for so long I

1:13:28know it's hard to go back so it 1992

1:13:30trailer released a set of eight

1:13:31multicultural crayons and italics which

1:13:34quote come in an assortment of skin

1:13:35heals I'd like to try that come in that

1:13:37you get haha well

1:13:40oh wait a minute wait a minute what's

1:13:42that called like the common varieties

1:13:45didn't use boy I'm open

1:13:48oh boy the fox tail on oh boy eight

1:13:51colors used came from their standard

1:13:53list of colors and the sellers for the

1:13:54most part well received in there has

1:13:55been some criticism footnote 14 now what

1:13:58this thing is these are overtly these

1:14:00are called multicultural out of it said

1:14:02on the box

1:14:02this is for coloring people who aren't

1:14:04white or are Caucasian right so here's

1:14:06what the colors are called apricot black

1:14:08like black is pound sign 0000 that is

1:14:15true black in internet terms you got

1:14:17burnt sienna you got mahogany which is a

1:14:20kind of a reddish you got peach CPI tan

1:14:23and then full on white is that kind of

1:14:25interesting but they didn't call them

1:14:27they didn't call them like a Palestinian

1:14:31or right ethiopian yellow cree or or

1:14:35what you're saying it's interesting that

1:14:37they still gave it these colors even

1:14:39though this is the multicultural

1:14:40addition that was kind of interesting

1:14:41well i feel 1992 is a pretty fraught

1:14:44year in political correctness Voyager

1:14:45was I was right in the center of you

1:14:47know I was in college still because i

1:14:49was in college from 1987 to 2007 team so

1:14:56clip it's anybody's gonna go fill out a

1:14:59form you're done in 92 uh I was doing

1:15:02those were though that's

1:15:04third-generation feminism we were really

1:15:06going at each other than I remember the

1:15:08first time I ever heard that phrase was

1:15:09an interview with your Instagram buddy

1:15:11Michael Stipe on MTV and for it

1:15:15it was around that time as I think maybe

1:15:17in the late eighties but he was the

1:15:18first person I ever heard use the phrase

1:15:20politically correct Michael Michael

1:15:22Stipe yeah I mean I've heard since then

1:15:25lots of times but he's the first person

1:15:26I ever heard that I remember ever using

1:15:29that phrase it goes in and out

1:15:30in another fashion and is using any kind

1:15:32of a meta way we're saying yeah well

1:15:34that's kind of thing that we would say

1:15:35today is not really politically correct

1:15:36right Xena matter how about you know I'm

1:15:41on my I'm disinterested and uninterested

1:15:43in this but I first met you and now to

1:15:46love em huh

1:15:48so I think what I think the reason that

1:15:50you have to call these colors apricot

1:15:53and mahogany is that even within various

1:15:58cultures ethnic groups there's a lot of

1:16:00variation in skin tone so if you were to

1:16:02say ethiopian there's going to be a lot

1:16:05of people in Ethiopia that doesn't look

1:16:07like like our friend grant is

1:16:09african-american

1:16:10yeah that's right from Africa means he's

1:16:12a he's one of the whitest people I've

1:16:13ever met

1:16:14he's uh comes from German aristocracy

1:16:16and he's from Africa

1:16:18yeah or like John boyega the the

1:16:20wonderful actor from Star Wars he's

1:16:22kinda sick of people calling

1:16:23african-american he's like well no I'm

1:16:24from England haha quit doing that well

1:16:27our John accuses Joseph yousa well I

1:16:32know Italian in these are totally

1:16:33Italian guy but they didn't speak

1:16:34Italian his household was i right

1:16:36they didn't speak Italian because there

1:16:38were there because it was that immigrant

1:16:40thing where the grandmother wanted their

1:16:41kids to assimilate I i think that we

1:16:45talked about this on different program i

1:16:46can give you one thought on race and

1:16:48cultural oh boy I thought on race and

1:16:50culture and I was thinking about uh fair

1:16:52amount of the last few years

1:16:53think about it for a long time there

1:16:56have been let's put it this way there

1:16:58have been people who said hey you know

1:16:59we should be a little cooler about race

1:17:01and stop making it this divide where the

1:17:04divide is important and we make the

1:17:06rules as white people for why that

1:17:08divide is important I think in some form

1:17:10or fashion that's been a lot of the

1:17:11problem for ever

1:17:13I and the Indians things though even up

1:17:15into the last five or so years that is

1:17:18still been a real struggle nothing it's

1:17:20not a struggle anymore but you know what

1:17:21there's a part of me that thinks that

1:17:23when it comes to I treating people of

1:17:27different races like normal people

1:17:29treating people of different genders

1:17:30orientations etc as people when that was

1:17:35still when that still felt like a mostly

1:17:38digital thing like you're you're white

1:17:40or not white

1:17:41you're straight or not straight oh I

1:17:42assume i think that buying

1:17:44Mary yeah but then you start meeting

1:17:46people where you're like I'm not even

1:17:47sure why I hate you because you don't

1:17:49mean like Oh Bruce Bruce Jenner becomes

1:17:52a woman which he feels like he's always

1:17:54been pleased also a Republican whose

1:17:56anti-gay that is such a mind bomb for

1:17:59people of a certain age and I think they

1:18:01haven't recovered I think those going

1:18:03beyond those white sand box of getting

1:18:06beyond those apricots and peaches I

1:18:08think that is is the terraform that has

1:18:10cost a lot of changes it's so confusing

1:18:12now that you wouldn't know what racial

1:18:14epithet to call somebody right what are

1:18:16you gonna do what are you gonna yell at

1:18:18bruce jenner uh Caitlyn Jenner about the

1:18:20feeling generous I mean I i only heard

1:18:22this haven't read this but supposedly

1:18:23Caitlyn Jenner is it is a very

1:18:25conservative is very conservative

1:18:27politically it's actually uh not so into

1:18:29things like a marriage

1:18:31well what's 105 years ago that would

1:18:33make my brain pop out of my head cause

1:18:34that seems so weird that a trans person

1:18:35would be not so into gay marriage i I've

1:18:39been dealing with this for 20 years

1:18:42because or no 125 because I you know I

1:18:47lived in a mostly gay neighborhood and

1:18:49the man most of my friends a work day

1:18:51and always kind of liked the castro of

1:18:54the Seattle right that's right it's and

1:18:56you know in seattle in San Francisco had

1:18:58the largest populations of any US cities

1:19:00i think Seattle a distant second now but

1:19:03it's still America and you know my first

1:19:06job in seattle was working a gay bar so

1:19:08i was i was very much like in tune with

1:19:11the culture and right about that time

1:19:131992 the rise of the Log Cabin

1:19:16Republicans which none of us could parse

1:19:19right this is a whole group of of gay

1:19:24Republicans during an era when to be

1:19:27there self-identifying both as publicly

1:19:29game publicly Republican yeah there's

1:19:31probably always been people like I

1:19:33imagined for a variety of reasons Cary

1:19:34Grant was probably pretty conservative

1:19:36but there's other stuff he maybe didn't

1:19:38want you to know about I don't think

1:19:40anybody the war that suit in North by

1:19:41Northwest could be conservative

1:19:43no saying no is that right but you know

1:19:45the Log Cabin Republicans a take on it

1:19:48was we're just people and we have these

1:19:50uh these beliefs and the fact that were

1:19:52gay is irrelevant to these are separate

1:19:54totally separate thing yeah except the I

1:19:56think they're trying to do kinda like

1:19:57the opposite of identity politics almost

1:19:59yeah except that the Republicans were

1:20:01constantly and actively at war with a

1:20:03with gay people didn't matter if you

1:20:05were a law in a log cabin or not

1:20:07uh-huh so this was one of those things

1:20:09you know this is the jack Tanner and

1:20:12Clarence Thomas problem so my dad's best

1:20:16friend of course of Jack taner federal

1:20:19judge and black and activists liberal

1:20:24and when Clarence Thomas was up for when

1:20:31he was nominated for the Supreme Court

1:20:32my dad was my dad and Tanner who would

1:20:36go to chinese food restaurants and yell

1:20:37at each other about who did more during

1:20:39World War two

1:20:42they were yelling at each other Tanner

1:20:44drove a drove like a duck

1:20:48you know like ride the ducks uh-huh one

1:20:50of those it's not even a question it's

1:20:52not exactly a boat

1:20:53yeah he was he was a sergeant driver doc

1:20:56and he drove a duck but back when the

1:20:59duck was actually a landing craft and it

1:21:01was a duct full of soldiers and he was

1:21:02driving it on the Iwo Jima ok and then

1:21:05my dad of course was a pilot chute chute

1:21:08and zeros out should I leaders I'd armed

1:21:09guy with the side of out the window and

1:21:15they would sit in there in the chinese

1:21:16food restaurant by this point Tanner was

1:21:18was a federal judge emeritus or

1:21:22something he only had to take you only

1:21:23had to adjudicate the cases that he

1:21:25chose and so most of the time most of

1:21:28the day they said in this Chinese food

1:21:29restaurant yelling at each other and you

1:21:33know when my dad was yelling about

1:21:34Clarence Thomas and Tanner was keeping

1:21:36quiet with the terrible with a smug look

1:21:38on his face which is basically how they

1:21:40always were looking at each other smugly

1:21:42and tender said I support Clarence

1:21:45Thomas and my dad almost lost his mind

1:21:47because they had spent their entire

1:21:50lives together often together working

1:21:53for the cause of justice and racial

1:21:55equality and

1:21:56you know and liberal politics and

1:21:59Clarence Thomas was was the worst

1:22:03writing an enormous step back for all

1:22:05those things and Tanner was like nope

1:22:07the black guy on the Supreme Court I

1:22:09support him oh oh yeah okay dad

1:22:11different it's a different axis

1:22:13that's right two different access he's

1:22:14like it doesn't matter to me if he's an

1:22:16avowed not see it's important and he

1:22:20matters to me and he's a black guy on

1:22:21the Supreme Court done and my dad could

1:22:24never accept it he you know he would go

1:22:26this way and that way but of course it

1:22:28was a thing that my dad didn't even have

1:22:31even having been best friends with him a

1:22:33basically their whole adult life since

1:22:35that time they were 24 he couldn't get

1:22:39inside his head he couldn't understand

1:22:40what it was like to be a a black judge

1:22:43right tanner was a federal judge like it

1:22:46he this guy was his peer and his

1:22:51politics were secondary so Wow watching

1:22:55those to argue because you know i'm

1:22:57sitting there course in in combat boots

1:23:00with a soul patch going Jesus can we

1:23:03just order you know what do you--what

1:23:06are going to get you're gonna get Mushu

1:23:07pork in general tso's chicken like every

1:23:09time can we and the waiters standing

1:23:11there and they're like I'll tell you

1:23:13what I'm gonna do about her

1:23:15you didn't even you never even saw

1:23:18pistol

1:23:20yes i did David I fired my pistol many

1:23:24times we should record that I wish I had

1:23:28to you know

1:23:29oh my god Tanner told this story one

1:23:31time that blew my mind

1:23:34he was a lawyer and there was and and it

1:23:37was during the era of the radicalization

1:23:41of the of American Indians the american

1:23:45indian movement aim that was behind the

1:23:48the takeover of Alcatraz Alcatraz and

1:23:52the and the showdown at lolla it was

1:23:56that early seventies era when when that

1:23:59the tribes became radicalized and there

1:24:02was a and the chief of the Puyallup

1:24:05tribe

1:24:06in Washington right near tacoma was a

1:24:10man named sataya come and the tire come

1:24:13with a young charismatic activists chief

1:24:19who was who was radical but also

1:24:23personally radical and Tanner was his

1:24:26lawyer and they were always he was he

1:24:31was constantly in trouble you as you

1:24:33know he was like running guns and money

1:24:36and it was the Revolutionary era the you

1:24:40know the symbian ease army Liberation

1:24:45Army right okay the time when there were

1:24:46all kinds of groups coming along that

1:24:48were a very unconventional and

1:24:50asymmetrical and it was sometimes

1:24:52difficult to understand that come from

1:24:54the outside why the script was even

1:24:56together

1:24:56yeah and it was like well we're

1:24:57overthrowing the US government that's

1:24:59the end goal and where were allied with

1:25:01the IRA and the PLO but were you know

1:25:05but where the Puyallup tribe right

1:25:07anyway at some point that item was under

1:25:10indictment and the feds were coming for

1:25:14him and he showed up at tanners office

1:25:17with like three grocery bags full of

1:25:19money

1:25:19what and he said let's get out of here

1:25:22and he and Tanner flew to Bangkok with

1:25:27three grocery bags full of money and

1:25:29proceeded to spend a year like buying

1:25:34diamonds and emeralds and taking them to

1:25:38India and and it was it was it was like

1:25:42a tracking him trying to get set up for

1:25:44the long haul

1:25:45no just fucking being and just living

1:25:49Wow um and it was like a hunter s

1:25:52thompson seen Tanner was his lawyer they

1:25:55ended up they ended up at the rumble in

1:25:58the jungle right the the famous boxing

1:26:04match watching the big fight

1:26:05somehow you know somehow they were you

1:26:09know they were funneling they were

1:26:12running money through Paris and all

1:26:14these diamonds sewed into their

1:26:16waistcoats and and

1:26:19and they made it back to America and

1:26:21sataya come I don't know when to either

1:26:25went to prisoner went underground ended

1:26:27up in Canada and I this story just I was

1:26:32probably 24 and he he would this story

1:26:37this was this the story where my dad

1:26:39didn't interrupt him once we just SAT

1:26:41there and listened to this in my day we

1:26:43know my dad verified it it independently

1:26:47that you know that you associate this

1:26:49was an exaggerated or a tall tale who

1:26:51knows neither one I don't know if either

1:26:54one of those guys knew the difference

1:26:55but you know but the way Tanner cast the

1:26:59story sataya come was this legend like a

1:27:03folk hero a full Carol that's precisely

1:27:05it all the ladies loved him and all the

1:27:08men look up to him and he was he had a

1:27:10gun in his boot and a grocery bag full

1:27:13of money and they're in bangkok in 72 or

1:27:18what you know and at the rumble in the

1:27:20jungle with with the with George

1:27:24Plimpton it's just like what kind of

1:27:27lives have you like this you know and

1:27:29then five years later he gets appointed

1:27:32to the federal bench

1:27:33it just makes me I don't know it just

1:27:36makes me feel like well yeah but I mean

1:27:39also kinda doesn't also kind of feed

1:27:41into your hole like how come I never got

1:27:42to be well yeah why darlin i'm at South

1:27:44by Southwest that's the highlight of my

1:27:46year the highlight of 2400 sell the West

1:27:50yeah i saw spoon in a garage

1:27:55did Jack Tanner's you know in Vietnam

1:27:58throwing helicopters me maybe you should

1:28:02be kidding around more money and grocery

1:28:04bags

1:28:04well don't think that I am NOT trying

1:28:07how many times have I mentioned money

1:28:08and in grocery bags or duffel bag any

1:28:11nibbles on that have you gotten any not

1:28:13one is that is that right

1:28:14not a one and i think that's sickening

1:28:17well i think it is that a i think it is

1:28:20that the entrepreneurs are waiting

1:28:22they're waiting for their waiting for me

1:28:26to I don't know do the dog whistle right

1:28:29it's a dog whistle

1:28:30the dog was am

1:28:31and they're out there you know that

1:28:34they've got a company with 15 people and

1:28:36they've got a CTO SEO a CEO a CLO cqo

1:28:42cro cro w mhm and and then like two

1:28:48employees to engineers right and and

1:28:52their their their their board meetings

1:28:54and somebody says alright we've been you

1:28:56know we've been listening to rock on the

1:28:57line for a long time how are we going to

1:28:58hire Merlyn John yeah and make them CMO

1:29:01and see jail

1:29:02uh-huh and general an officer chief John

1:29:05that's right huh

1:29:07and uh and they're like not yet right

1:29:09like and I think it's one of these

1:29:11quests a question of like pre-ipo

1:29:13post-ipo interesting it's a pregnancy

1:29:16how the product development goes and

1:29:18then decide they want to get it will be

1:29:19the first ones to invest it will be the

1:29:20second ones to invest

1:29:22well yeah but if they if they bring us

1:29:23on pre-ipo and that gives give us like

1:29:26options on a million shares each how is

1:29:28that going to water down you don't

1:29:30you're gonna share dilution share

1:29:32dilution right as opposed to bring us on

1:29:34after the IPO and then we're just you

1:29:36know we're getting we're getting some

1:29:37compensation not you know not the

1:29:40preferred stock

1:29:41mhm so I don't I mean I can't I keep

1:29:44every morning I wake up I go downstairs

1:29:46I used to go downstairs open the door

1:29:47and there was the newspaper but the day

1:29:50after I lost the primary election from

1:29:52seattle city council I also unsubscribe

1:29:54to the fucking newspaper because the

1:29:56Seattle newspaper lawful and so I was

1:29:59the first thing i did I woke up that

1:30:00morning I called the new departments at

1:30:02cancel my subscription got your legal

1:30:04pad with the big checklist

1:30:06that's my subscription take down that

1:30:08website you know like never talk to

1:30:11these five people again

1:30:12yeah but so now every morning I go

1:30:15downstairs in my robe and instead of

1:30:18opening the door looking for my

1:30:19newspaper i open the door expecting

1:30:20there to be a filson bag full of money

1:30:22you've been you've been very clear about

1:30:24this but it just keeps not happening so

1:30:27i don't know i mean you know the thing

1:30:29is there's nobody more frugal than a

1:30:31rich person that's how you get rich so

1:30:34they want they want value for the dollar

1:30:35they're driving their 1978 Volvo and

1:30:39they're like what's where's the words

1:30:40value for the dollar

1:30:42also I think people may misunderstand

1:30:44let's be honest there's an element that

1:30:46to this of yes you actually do want

1:30:48somebody to give you a lot of money so

1:30:50you can be rich but there's a lot more

1:30:53to it than that I think there's

1:30:54something that is a very human part of

1:30:55the story to which you want what that

1:30:57represents for both you and the person

1:30:59getting it right is how KooKoo matata

1:31:02like then giving you this money is going

1:31:04to create a bigger gesture

1:31:06it's not just about the money although

1:31:07it's mostly about the money right

1:31:09koyaanisqatsi playing Scott see ya when

1:31:12it's Godsey hey empanada you i right of

1:31:17course I understand

1:31:18I mean I've been to san francisco right

1:31:20that's true I know how it feels to be in

1:31:24the eye of the storm

1:31:25oh boy right but you remember when you

1:31:29wouldn't go side south of market now

1:31:31what South of Market piles of money

1:31:33piles of money on top of piles of poop

1:31:35because they never wash down the

1:31:36sidewalks it would just sleep on the

1:31:38money because they can't afford a place

1:31:39to keep it on the money is exactly what

1:31:41is actually cheaper to sleep on money

1:31:42and get a house here

1:31:43ya can't afford a house just make an

1:31:46estimate slipping your money pot percent

1:31:48down to princeton down i canna Scott see

1:31:55all right