The Incomparable

317: You Broke Your Little Ships

 

  the Intolerable number 377 temperature [TS]

  welcome back everybody to be [TS]

  uncomfortable on September ate it is the [TS]

  50th anniversary of Star Trek and I [TS]

  didn't want to let that go by without us [TS]

  doing an episode about a star trek [TS]

  subject we covered a lot of star trek [TS]

  over the years on the incomparable i [TS]

  picked a movie to to talk about that is [TS]

  one of my favorite Star Trek movies and [TS]

  we had an episode about it yet so we're [TS]

  gonna do it now it is 1996 is star trek [TS]

  first contact for as i keep explaining [TS]

  to everybody who asked me which one that [TS]

  is the Borg warden joining me to talk [TS]

  about the board one is a a a pact [TS]

  all-star panel of people [TS]

  dan morgan hello the line must be drawn [TS]

  here Jason know somebody had to say that [TS]

  I you your first regatta was back of [TS]

  course we like to have her around when [TS]

  we talk star trek fire phasers alright [TS]

  David Laura hello [TS]

  the line must be drawn yeah you have to [TS]

  do it with didn't we already did that [TS]

  Joe rosenstiel is here yeah [TS]

  yes this far no further as many thank [TS]

  you Scott McNulty proprietor of random [TS]

  tracking another Star Trek fan that we [TS]

  like to have on these high it's like [TS]

  we're on some kind of star trek mm your [TS]

  astronauts on a Star Trek of some sort [TS]

  and he has never been on the the [TS]

  uncomfortable for buddy was on random [TS]

  track and I'm very happy to have him [TS]

  with us [TS]

  it's jamehl Bowie hello hello I don't [TS]

  have a quotation from the movie but that [TS]

  makes you better than all of us it's [TS]

  about that Adam Adam Scott on the [TS]

  defiant being like they're hailing us or [TS]

  whatever it's taking a nice I relief [TS]

  when his bosses they don't have to [TS]

  commit suicide [TS]

  yeah that's right well when wharf is [TS]

  your captain you gotta wonder if it's a [TS]

  good day to die [TS]

  includes you right it's a hard posting [TS]

  working for Worf guys alright so first [TS]

  contact written by run more brand braga [TS]

  from Star Trek writers on Star Trek next [TS]

  generation in the following series [TS]

  directed by Jonathan Frakes TVs [TS]

  commander Riker himself and obviously [TS]

  the next generation cast with a few [TS]

  guest stars Alfre Woodard is Lily James [TS]

  Cromwell is Ephraim Cochran a character [TS]

  from the original series [TS]

  Reese who in a weird episode of the [TS]

  original series where he falls in love [TS]

  with a cloud [TS]

  anyway we've all been there Jason and [TS]

  Alice Krieger is the board queen so [TS]

  three great i think guest stars in this [TS]

  one to get stories of a movie can have [TS]

  guest stars but it's a based on the TV [TS]

  show so i guess it can I thought maybe [TS]

  we break the moving down to start into [TS]

  the three different threads that that [TS]

  this movie goes in because this movie [TS]

  really does break into three plot [TS]

  threads of it fairly quickly [TS]

  the movie starts with a Borg attack well [TS]

  I guess it really starts with Picard [TS]

  dreaming about about dreaming about [TS]

  being assimilated by the Borg and then [TS]

  he wakes up but it's still a dream but [TS]

  then he wakes up again and gets a called [TS]

  the border attacking and and that that [TS]

  sets Picard off on his journey because [TS]

  they basically say no no don't come we [TS]

  don't want you don't like we don't trust [TS]

  you because you were compromised when [TS]

  you were assimilated by the Borg but of [TS]

  course Picard disregards orders he [TS]

  rushes in he saves the day because his [TS]

  knowledge of the board actually helps [TS]

  them blow up the board ship but uh [TS]

  little sphere emerges from the board [TS]

  ship and goes back in time to assimilate [TS]

  earth in the past and that's your that's [TS]

  where the story begins to pick up war [TS]

  from the damage defiant because [TS]

  contractually war should be in the [TS]

  movies but this on the Space nine so [TS]

  they gotta work that out and so they're [TS]

  like yeah but defined it'sit's good nice [TS]

  little ship little-little and we're back [TS]

  in the past and it's a it's a it's a [TS]

  like a day before the first launch of [TS]

  the reception Cochran's warp ship [TS]

  meeting the aliens who are not [TS]

  identified until the last scene for a [TS]

  first contact contact experience and at [TS]

  that point the the movie breaks into [TS]

  three we have the card we have data [TS]

  talking to the board queen and we've got [TS]

  the stuff that happens on earth where is [TS]

  that from Cochran is dealing with some [TS]

  members of the crew and the weight of [TS]

  history [TS]

  the one thing that that's interesting [TS]

  about this that sets it apart from [TS]

  pretty much all the other [TS]

  next-generation movies at least is if [TS]

  this were an episode of the show would [TS]

  be a mythology episode right because it [TS]

  connects [TS]

  to a very discreet portion of the show [TS]

  and in some ways it's amazing that this [TS]

  works because it seems like a hard sell [TS]

  right that you have staff to have seen [TS]

  these you know basically these two [TS]

  particular episodes of a seven-year-long [TS]

  show in order to sort of get it and they [TS]

  started you know they give you that [TS]

  little flashback at the beginning and [TS]

  you know it sprinkled throughout here [TS]

  and there but you know you compare that [TS]

  to something like insurrection or [TS]

  nemesis or even generations in which all [TS]

  you really have to know was like okay [TS]

  captain kirk's a guy right like I think [TS]

  that is I mean the closest the closest [TS]

  parallel is really probably to wrath of [TS]

  khan right which was also sort of a call [TS]

  back to an episode of the show and to me [TS]

  that it's impressive that they got a not [TS]

  only is a mythology you know movie is it [TS]

  made but it is unquestionably the most [TS]

  successful and the best of these for [TS]

  next generation will be so yeah it's one [TS]

  of the things i love about this is the [TS]

  economy with which it it starts the [TS]

  story and then just motors through it [TS]

  and the balance between those those [TS]

  various threads your ear never sitting [TS]

  there going what's going to happen next [TS]

  when is the next scene [TS]

  it just keeps moving and you know for [TS]

  all the jokes about tvs Riker he does a [TS]

  nice job driving that yes and keeping [TS]

  all the balls in the air i just i [TS]

  remember sitting in the theater going [TS]

  this shouldn't be working like this this [TS]

  is great because i was disappointed by [TS]

  generations and so it was like wow they [TS]

  got it right and they never got it right [TS]

  again but oh I think something i would [TS]

  say is you want to watch star trek [TS]

  beyond um I hated that movie i'm sorry [TS]

  i've seen it twice I've given it a fair [TS]

  shot an action movie in space in what [TS]

  really stands out to me when you go back [TS]

  and watch first contact is i think most [TS]

  people would agree it's one more action [TS]

  e star trek movies with the next [TS]

  generation cast but what makes it work [TS]

  so much better than I think the the [TS]

  reboot is managed to do is the Cuban [TS]

  moments like the moment with lily and [TS]

  card are really intense and really [TS]

  awesome indie feel that like when you [TS]

  know Picard chooses to kill instant [TS]

  Lynch like you feel that I when the [TS]

  turns to the board when Hawk turns into [TS]

  a board like you feel that [TS]

  and I just think there's a man acting [TS]

  substance in this film that just doesn't [TS]

  exist in the more recent Star Trek movie [TS]

  yeah they're they're allowed to have [TS]

  depth though and and they've earned that [TS]

  depth whereas we're just told oh this is [TS]

  kirk and spock and you know they're [TS]

  great [TS]

  well that's I mean once again the next [TS]

  generation movies have seven years of [TS]

  the next generation get build-up and the [TS]

  characters whereas the reboots have the [TS]

  movies that you've seen plus you know [TS]

  you're here for your recollections of [TS]

  previous actors doing different versions [TS]

  of the same characters so it's in many [TS]

  ways even more of a challenge to have [TS]

  that right i mean with be with first [TS]

  contact think you have a situation where [TS]

  all of the the principals involved have [TS]

  kind of Dave they know their characters [TS]

  like the back of their hands at this [TS]

  point they they know you know Patrick [TS]

  Stewart knows who Picard is in the very [TS]

  intimate way and when you add that to a [TS]

  screenplay that really is designed to [TS]

  cut up needle down to the courts of [TS]

  these characters he do get something [TS]

  that you know the best way I can [TS]

  describe it as sort of like a a clean [TS]

  palette cleanser right that like this is [TS]

  these are this is a the same way that [TS]

  wrath of khan got you the essence of the [TS]

  original series characters is the [TS]

  essence of all of these next-generation [TS]

  characters and in the the subsequent [TS]

  films i think lose quite a bit of this [TS]

  and then attempt to kind of make them [TS]

  more conventional but here here it is a [TS]

  very much a parent I would also add as a [TS]

  parenthetical that I really enjoy Star [TS]

  Trek beyond we can have the camera i [TS]

  really enjoyed it too but that's a whole [TS]

  other move but oh well there's also a [TS]

  surprising amount of had for lack of a [TS]

  better term fanservice in this movie [TS]

  which is that minor characters from the [TS]

  show up here like Barkley appearing lady [TS]

  now nurse Ogawa appears if it seem like [TS]

  very briefly I don't just like that you [TS]

  know they make sure that almost all [TS]

  those like little recurring characters [TS]

  get a moment or something even if we [TS]

  have new character certain as well as [TS]

  you can have the emergency medical [TS]

  hologram yes [TS]

  to avoid your movie yeah and nurse Ogawa [TS]

  gets to you almost as much as dr. [TS]

  crusher gets to do in this movie [TS]

  yeah that's true dr. crusher at least [TS]

  try get to get drunk and and one of the [TS]

  earliest times i saw this i mean is [TS]

  probably the third or fourth time I saw [TS]

  I saw it with someone who had never seen [TS]

  next generation but they were just [TS]

  curious because they heard all about the [TS]

  snow the board the board and so they [TS]

  didn't have any of the best of both [TS]

  worlds they didn't have any of the [TS]

  knowledge of Picard's history with them [TS]

  and they loved it and were able to [TS]

  follow it from just from what was in the [TS]

  movie and at the end asked me did they [TS]

  actually do an episode about that said [TS]

  oh oh you have no idea [TS]

  yes they did many it's a remarkably [TS]

  efficient screenplay and I say that when [TS]

  we talk about Star Trek beyond what I [TS]

  said about it was that it falls into the [TS]

  trap of having only enough parts to do [TS]

  what it needs to do and we again that's [TS]

  a different podcasts that this is [TS]

  efficient in a different way this is an [TS]

  efficient in that while it's doing these [TS]

  bits of fanservice it's doing them in [TS]

  ways where it's exactly what you need [TS]

  and nothing more so like the emergency [TS]

  medical hologram [TS]

  it's a good joke and everybody who seen [TS]

  voyagers like hey it's the EMH but it's [TS]

  also just a good joke it's a delaying [TS]

  tactic for crusher [TS]

  it's a perfect use of the character it [TS]

  doesn't linger on it nurse Ogawa is [TS]

  present and she does everything Barkley [TS]

  is used in that one scene at a moment [TS]

  that will get to in a little bit that is [TS]

  very important when you're talking about [TS]

  characters and about the journey that [TS]

  Cromwell has to take is that from [TS]

  Cochran and then that's it we know [TS]

  that's all we needed him for but it's [TS]

  kind of a pivotal scene and he's he's [TS]

  the right character to use in that [TS]

  situation and throughout this movie i [TS]

  think i can point it [TS]

  other examples of some restraint of like [TS]

  they use they know where all the tools [TS]

  are but they use them with restraint and [TS]

  they get them to do exactly what they [TS]

  need and then that's it and then that [TS]

  they don't get over you they move on to [TS]

  the next thing so card [TS]

  let's let's dive into Picard a little [TS]

  bit more card you talk about the perils [TS]

  will start to we have moby-dick we have [TS]

  a character from an old star trek [TS]

  episode in different Cochran or if you [TS]

  want to go this way a direct sequel to [TS]

  an old next generation episode in this [TS]

  case yes to both [TS]

  world there's so much rolled into that [TS]

  and and this is a story about the card [TS]

  having his baggage with the board and it [TS]

  end almost coming to accept that it is [TS]

  what it is and that he has to move past [TS]

  it because it does help him defeat the [TS]

  board in the present day when they want [TS]

  to like leave him on the outside but he [TS]

  he has a vendetta against the Borg and [TS]

  and we see that throughout his he's only [TS]

  on earth for a short amount of time he [TS]

  deems back to the ship and at that point [TS]

  he's kind of an action hero but he is [TS]

  not Captain Picard for a while because [TS]

  he not only does he kill a instant Lynch [TS]

  uh in in the holodeck and kind of silly [TS]

  as appalled by that but he kills another [TS]

  character very early on who's just been [TS]

  assimilated by the Borg no attempt to [TS]

  say that header me at all I mean he he [TS]

  is from the get-go he basically says [TS]

  just kill them you know they would thank [TS]

  you i know i would so we get to see [TS]

  Picard really kind of he's messed up [TS]

  until he finally has that final scene [TS]

  with alfre woodard where she kind of [TS]

  makes him snap out of it i think it's [TS]

  really need all the action and suspense [TS]

  and and things that were used to in a in [TS]

  a movie like this it's a really good [TS]

  journey for patrick stewart to do more [TS]

  than you know what we saw in best of [TS]

  both worlds basically while it's nice [TS]

  because so many of the episodes I mean [TS]

  TNG was largely very episodic yea even [TS]

  tho ye they didn't spend a ton of time [TS]

  on Picard recovering from you know being [TS]

  assimilated right like that doesn't [TS]

  really come up [TS]

  yeah like one episode yeah which is i [TS]

  love that is but with traditionally like [TS]

  you know everything resets at the end of [TS]

  the episodes right most of the time [TS]

  there is some white continuity from [TS]

  episode to episode ensure if you look [TS]

  over the course of seven seasons you see [TS]

  these characters change in some ways but [TS]

  a lot of it is you know reset at the end [TS]

  of the episode like watching an old [TS]

  lady's cartoon and so you know having a [TS]

  chance to sort of delve into the [TS]

  psychological thing that was an impact [TS]

  of an earlier episode is what gives it [TS]

  that richness that we don't really get [TS]

  from a lot of the other ones i mean they [TS]

  tried something like this insurrection [TS]

  you know it has a sort of an idea and a [TS]

  plot and you know there's there's a [TS]

  message journals there but it's sort of [TS]

  right it doesn't work it fails because [TS]

  that's not really a [TS]

  a question that we were interested in [TS]

  seeing answered what I think really [TS]

  shines about first contact is Picard and [TS]

  I think it just shows how much more [TS]

  talented actor he has been the shot the [TS]

  shot has that one really good moment [TS]

  when Spock ties but i think generally [TS]

  speaking most people would agree it's [TS]

  just no contest and like we're telling [TS]

  jokes on this podcast about the line [TS]

  must be drawn here but like you can [TS]

  watch that scene in I also the home of [TS]

  drainage in anger and desperation in the [TS]

  world just bubbling up in me and I've [TS]

  seen it a thousand times and it is i [TS]

  mean it's acting and playing off of Lily [TS]

  like she's perfectly cast here because [TS]

  she she stands up to him and like that's [TS]

  not something we really see on [TS]

  next-generation very much someone to can [TS]

  go toe-to-toe with Picard and I think [TS]

  it's you know it's not a mystery it's [TS]

  just incredible acting and what what's [TS]

  what's really amazing is you know [TS]

  they've used movie dick as an analogy in [TS]

  the past but it's con con is the one who [TS]

  is the Ahab figure and rice time it's [TS]

  the hero and and it's also not a good [TS]

  thing right that's the thing that kind [TS]

  of snaps out of it it's like oh and you [TS]

  know what that is such that is that such [TS]

  a brave thing to do with their hero and [TS]

  but Stewart can handle it [TS]

  obviously I will say though that in [TS]

  short of going that route and I think [TS]

  it's I've about i think it and thought [TS]

  it was very smart choice to sort of make [TS]

  Picard our a hab that I think that this [TS]

  movie i cannot paves the way for the [TS]

  explicitly action here any action hero [TS]

  ii recorded me and the subsequent [TS]

  next-generation missed you think of the [TS]

  big misreading of a character I mean so [TS]

  my least favorite part of first contact [TS]

  is the holodeck seen part of this is [TS]

  gonna ask oh hey Talladega to concede [TS]

  that but sort of the Picard of [TS]

  next-generation I don't think generally [TS]

  would gun down you know someone with the [TS]

  Tommy gun in the middle of a holodeck [TS]

  just [TS]

  doesn't really that's like a wharf thing [TS]

  to do right thats really seem like a [TS]

  record that we know and even in the [TS]

  context of a story about his PTSD it [TS]

  just doesn't really fit and I think I [TS]

  think that's if there's like a flaw here [TS]

  a fatal flaw but something that would I [TS]

  think become a fatal form and emulator [TS]

  movies it's that like I Picard it [TS]

  becomes her Patrick Stewart plays Picard [TS]

  as an almost arrow Flemish character and [TS]

  a way that i'm not quite sure I really [TS]

  fits they care for the that students [TS]

  actually established going into first [TS]

  contact [TS]

  well here you would argue that he's that [TS]

  he's kinda messed up and that's why he's [TS]

  behaving this way the problem is if [TS]

  somebody says oh that was cool let's [TS]

  have him do that again in the next [TS]

  couple of movies it's like no no youyou [TS]

  that then you really misread this [TS]

  character because he was doing that [TS]

  because he was totally in a bad place [TS]

  and needed to snap out of it [TS]

  this is not normal Captain Picard [TS]

  because he would never do that it's it's [TS]

  also not a normal situation they're not [TS]

  just trying to fight the board they're [TS]

  trying to preserve the existence of the [TS]

  Federation there's desperation there too [TS]

  I mean part of that is it you know [TS]

  Patrick Stewart had a read the original [TS]

  well an earlier draft of this and had [TS]

  decided that he wanted to be up on the [TS]

  ship and be action here doing these [TS]

  things and not down on the planet which [TS]

  was the way it was originally written so [TS]

  I think it's a very different movie [TS]

  having him up there eight works for me [TS]

  especially because he has lily as as [TS]

  brianna the head said as a foil to work [TS]

  off of and it also helps us is the [TS]

  audience to understand his mind in a way [TS]

  that any gin insurrection doesn't [TS]

  accomplish and in a way that nothing in [TS]

  nemesis accomplishes there's there's no [TS]

  no the weather character to bounce off [TS]

  of there really other than he has a [TS]

  couple of the sides to Troy about you [TS]

  know [TS]

  oh he understands me or whatever for [TS]

  chins up but that this this really I I [TS]

  feel works quite well because she can [TS]

  also extract all of the information from [TS]

  card in a way that many of these other [TS]

  doctors probably couldn't because you [TS]

  know they the the next generation [TS]

  characters weren't really supposed to [TS]

  challenge one another like this so it it [TS]

  works well to have her there to [TS]

  challenge him off in that aspect in [TS]

  something that we don't see you again [TS]

  repeated in in the following films isn't [TS]

  a great moment we're on the bridge [TS]

  Picard basically insult he dresses down [TS]

  Worf he basically says go sacrifice [TS]

  yourself and and goes into random just [TS]

  walks into the ready room and offer a [TS]

  water just looks around and she's like [TS]

  what the hell are you people doing and [TS]

  they're like oh while he's the captain [TS]

  we're going to follow his orders which [TS]

  of course is admirable and it and it's I [TS]

  think maybe a little too on the nose but [TS]

  I like that she says to him like maybe [TS]

  they never got stupid orders like this [TS]

  before whatever she says like to say [TS]

  that of course their loyalty is good [TS]

  normally but you're behaving [TS]

  irrationally but I just like that that [TS]

  because she's not a member of the crew [TS]

  in column on it and that that is and she [TS]

  storms in there and then we get that [TS]

  amazing scene where which i do i just [TS]

  love dearly loved the whole thing things [TS]

  I i think we quote that scene weekly and [TS]

  if it's not a line must be drawn here [TS]

  it's you broke your little ships right [TS]

  that is it and just the way she under [TS]

  cells that line two [TS]

  she doesn't make a big deal out of it [TS]

  just you know there's that pause and you [TS]

  broke a little ships it's like that's [TS]

  the coldest way to do that line [TS]

  well I like the I mean in the it's shot [TS]

  very well seen to it this whole movie is [TS]

  shot very distinctly from the enterprise [TS]

  that we've come to know and love right [TS]

  on the series because it's the new [TS]

  enterprise as we've as we've had [TS]

  arguments in the in our back channel [TS]

  slack for her few weeks about what [TS]

  happened carrier Enterprise it so that's [TS]

  great but you know it is it's a it's a [TS]

  it's the most advanced ship in the fleet [TS]

  it's clearly much more of a warship and [TS]

  you know the whole thing is sort of [TS]

  darkly lit and it's got all you know a [TS]

  very different feel to it and so I i [TS]

  think and there's a nice like several [TS]

  zoom in on and he talks about we were [TS]

  you know they they do this we fall back [TS]

  they do this we retreat you know and [TS]

  like I love that it's a great shot two [TS]

  great delivery by stuart like that whole [TS]

  thing is incredibly well put together I [TS]

  and I think what's interesting about [TS]

  this is that it [TS]

  puts Starfleet on a much more military [TS]

  footing you know it feels like I mean I [TS]

  was thinking also just so it's almost a [TS]

  throwaway line but yeah Lily calls him [TS]

  addresses him as soldier at one point [TS]

  and he doesn't argue with that or make [TS]

  any comment about it right like even [TS]

  though i think there are a lot of cases [TS]

  where we'd have started characters like [TS]

  we're not soldiers were really like [TS]

  explorers and scientists now in this [TS]

  from there pretty much soldiers it's [TS]

  even more clever than that i think in [TS]

  that there's a scene the scene where he [TS]

  takes her to the Observation Lounge and [TS]

  shows her earth and it's this beautiful [TS]

  it's it's such a star trek seen it's [TS]

  such a gene roddenberry scene where it's [TS]

  like we don't even have any money in the [TS]

  future we just work to better ourselves [TS]

  the whole thing and then they go and [TS]

  they emerged into the middle of the into [TS]

  the bridge and the bat and the battle [TS]

  planning is going on and you can see in [TS]

  alfre woodard it's like oh so much for [TS]

  idealism right like that that's the [TS]

  moment where like the old the kind of [TS]

  star trek ideals and falls away and [TS]

  we're fighting and all the right [TS]

  lighting is like red and everybody's got [TS]

  big rifles and there's gonna be a fight [TS]

  and it's a really like like she she gets [TS]

  old star trek and then this is what she [TS]

  actually get it turns into ds9 there [TS]

  what people think so that the the big [TS]

  action sequence and it is it is a it is [TS]

  an action movie sequence right it's like [TS]

  we need two three complete 3d Lee's that [TS]

  need to be turned in order to do the [TS]

  thing stops the bad guy [TS]

  yeah you know it is that although [TS]

  they're all I think there's a lot of [TS]

  clever things about the fact that it's [TS]

  on the underside of the saucer that we [TS]

  get the kind of like funny where they're [TS]

  upside down and then we get the shot [TS]

  where we pan up and now we've oriented [TS]

  right side up and there's some antigrav [TS]

  stuff in it and there's some some [TS]

  punching in spacesuits and Worf uses [TS]

  aboard 2-2 tie office in a suit at one [TS]

  point and i know it is i I really enjoy [TS]

  that scene although i think it goes back [TS]

  to what i was saying about future movies [TS]

  that i enjoy that scene and yet I one of [TS]

  the reasons i enjoy this because at this [TS]

  point we didn't see the next generation [TS]

  do action set pieces like this and now [TS]

  like Star Trek movies have to be all [TS]

  action set pieces like this so that part [TS]

  of it i don't like but I do kind of [TS]

  enjoy it as ridiculous it is that the [TS]

  three maglock thing is that they have to [TS]

  turn [TS]

  hard part of that is also the the sort [TS]

  of like horror aspect the thriller [TS]

  aspect of it but make sure that makes it [TS]

  slightly different than some of the [TS]

  other action set-pieces we're going up [TS]

  against other kinds of villains in this [TS]

  particular case you know it's more like [TS]

  fighting zombies you know they're kind [TS]

  of ignoring you milling around doing [TS]

  your thing and it's like oh now you draw [TS]

  their attention not so it can it makes [TS]

  the action scenes play out differently [TS]

  than if there were Romulans doing [TS]

  something on the deflector dish or [TS]

  Riemann's doing something on the [TS]

  deflector dish they keep looking up [TS]

  right when they when they do things with [TS]

  the computer to keep looking up and you [TS]

  remember that moment like oh oh jeez but [TS]

  it doesn't it's not like if it was a [TS]

  Romulan or something where they would [TS]

  immediately be like calling in people to [TS]

  go attack them instead your current kind [TS]

  of waiting for women they gonna come and [TS]

  when are they going to attack but the [TS]

  people who are doing [TS]

  yeah I want to actually get double [TS]

  double dominant because it is now I [TS]

  recently I think every watch this maybe [TS]

  a week and a half ago i've been on the [TS]

  star trek kick we're watching all these [TS]

  movies and I think it was a week after [TS]

  their reward first time tag and it [TS]

  really did strike me how much especially [TS]

  in the earlier scenes with the [TS]

  enterprise is being assimilated and crew [TS]

  members are being assimilated and there [TS]

  are shots of crew members and having [TS]

  their limbs replace how much it is shot [TS]

  like a body horror film [TS]

  yeah and how much you know caution [TS]

  tight tight spaces low lighting costs [TS]

  phobia there's the scene where data is a [TS]

  is grab from beneath and dried under [TS]

  manager here did a straight-up horror [TS]

  movie scenes a green and Jeffrey's to [TS]

  really early on right oh yeah the first [TS]

  two simulations we don't even see I [TS]

  first much as first contact is a more [TS]

  action e-track movie i do think that the [TS]

  fact that so much of the action [TS]

  throughout be the film is in this horror [TS]

  style does make it seem under this makes [TS]

  it seem less action it makes it seem [TS]

  less true it's not it's not kinetic in a [TS]

  way that sealing the the reboots are and [TS]

  that [TS]

  that makes a real difference in just the [TS]

  general feel of it I i really really [TS]

  agree with that in one of the the core [TS]

  consists of a horror movie is you know [TS]

  heart is generally a lower budget genre [TS]

  right so you not to blast star trek [TS]

  beyond similar but you know the scene [TS]

  where you know the the enterprise tips [TS]

  up and they're the others flying [TS]

  downhill or even you know the rescue [TS]

  seem like it's just an action movie like [TS]

  someone got carpal tunnel CGI and all [TS]

  the motor bikes around its not [TS]

  impressive anymore i think what makes [TS]

  this movie work and part of it is [TS]

  because it did come in an age before cg [TS]

  hit really just freed us or trapped us [TS]

  to like depending on how you see it but [TS]

  it's it's shot like that scene is kind [TS]

  of low budget like they're moving in [TS]

  slow motion on a soundstage you know [TS]

  it's lit very carefully and it's [TS]

  actually very minimal set for something [TS]

  you're describing as a as a whole you [TS]

  know an action scene and I firmly [TS]

  believe it's a creative person that [TS]

  constraints can actually make your work [TS]

  better and i think they served them in [TS]

  the same absolutely let's pick up the [TS]

  thread about the board and i want to [TS]

  move kind of tour data and the board [TS]

  queen but it goes with the the idea of [TS]

  the horror movie David does get dragged [TS]

  into that door and then we get a series [TS]

  of scenes with the board queen i think [TS]

  more broadly to the Borg as a villain [TS]

  going back to start to iive um I'm gonna [TS]

  I'm gonna say later on that their scenes [TS]

  with data for Queen that actually remind [TS]

  me of goldfinger their strength but he's [TS]

  tied down and they're having like [TS]

  repartee it actually does remind me of [TS]

  that but do you expect me to talk no [TS]

  expect you to die i expect you to [TS]

  assimilate but the but the thing about [TS]

  about structure to is it has khan and he [TS]

  is this oversized character who is going [TS]

  to be the opposition and and we're gonna [TS]

  have a madman that the the crew has to [TS]

  defeat the problem that great movie one [TS]

  of my favorite movies of all time but [TS]

  problem is that it seems like now every [TS]

  search movie has one of those characters [TS]

  and this movie reminded me again the [TS]

  board are yes there's a face to the [TS]

  board in the board queen but they're a [TS]

  force of nature they are kinda like [TS]

  zombies [TS]

  it is more like a horror movie [TS]

  and I really like that I really liked [TS]

  that that what's happening on the on the [TS]

  enterprise's an infestation [TS]

  it's not a madman's masterplan blah it's [TS]

  it's it's something much more scary and [TS]

  insidious and it's taking over [TS]

  crewmembers I I like all of that and [TS]

  it's not the master plan they weren't [TS]

  expecting the enterprise to follow them [TS]

  this is totally improv it's like as long [TS]

  as we're here they are a force of nature [TS]

  but they also are thinking and have a [TS]

  plan their you know they have a [TS]

  collection they stopped assimilating at [TS]

  a certain deck because that's all they [TS]

  need at that point right get what they [TS]

  need so that makes them even scarier if [TS]

  they were just you know mindlessly [TS]

  assimilating I don't they keep coming [TS]

  exactly like i felt dumb for not [TS]

  realizing you even though I've seen this [TS]

  movie several times including in the [TS]

  theaters i felt dumb for never really [TS]

  drawing that zombie parallel and I guess [TS]

  maybe that's because at the time it felt [TS]

  like zombies were not as big thing is [TS]

  they are now you know that would be a [TS]

  constant like walking dead and [TS]

  everything like that but the it really [TS]

  is such a great line of course they call [TS]

  it out by guy she he describes them as [TS]

  cyborg zombies to Lily at one point but [TS]

  it is really good like the assimilation [TS]

  rights writedowns like don't let them [TS]

  touch you don't let them bite you right [TS]

  like you'll be infected [TS]

  you know in that aspect of it in [TS]

  mirroring the horror movie part of it i [TS]

  think is is very very clever and very [TS]

  savvy and they take a lot of cues from [TS]

  that genre and they they really they [TS]

  assimilated a genre pretty well in [TS]

  cinema say one thing i like about the [TS]

  board as villains that's an interesting [TS]

  twist i think on some of the core [TS]

  premises of star track which is that you [TS]

  know it's a serious devoted to the [TS]

  exploration the idea that we can meet [TS]

  the alien species other intelligent [TS]

  beings and work with them and cooperate [TS]

  with them and the board should have [TS]

  raised the question what if you [TS]

  encounter something that is profoundly [TS]

  alien right that isn't that that that [TS]

  does not into come close to perceiving [TS]

  the world anyway like you do that has [TS]

  its own own sort of like actually the [TS]

  world like [TS]

  ideology that is / it almost profoundly [TS]

  auntie life does not fit what do you do [TS]

  with something like that that does not [TS]

  fit with your sense of what what ought [TS]

  to be and I I just like I like how that [TS]

  how that profound alien this access road [TS]

  like a challenge to shred of inmates [TS]

  this is one of the threads of the movie [TS]

  like it's not just Picard's PTSD here [TS]

  but in a real way the board acted sort [TS]

  of like a you know you think you could [TS]

  have this Federation but here's [TS]

  something that just will not fit well I [TS]

  mean it's me it's multiculturalism [TS]

  versus a simulation if you want to boil [TS]

  it down right because these are both the [TS]

  Federation is all about finding new [TS]

  worlds and new people and bringing them [TS]

  into their happy kind of community and [TS]

  the border about finding new worlds and [TS]

  finding new people and taking what they [TS]

  want from them and incorporating it into [TS]

  a single assimilated hole which is not [TS]

  to go too far down this path but I mean [TS]

  in some ways they're diabetic coma [TS]

  diametrically opposed in some ways [TS]

  they're kind of similar and that that's [TS]

  kind of interesting to like I love that [TS]

  the board queen who is the [TS]

  representation [TS]

  I think it's a very smart decision by [TS]

  the screenplay by the way to have a [TS]

  character who is a representation of the [TS]

  board collective because otherwise [TS]

  they're kind of totally faceless but she [TS]

  makes this argument right like what do [TS]

  you mean data we we go find the best [TS]

  stuff and we're we're trying to achieve [TS]

  perfection by picking the best of [TS]

  everybody and creating me one perfect [TS]

  life-form in the galaxy there's a way [TS]

  there's not way and what's this [TS]

  the Borg Queen and that concede is in [TS]

  dialogue with Star Trek six instead of [TS]

  the the conversation early on in that [TS]

  movie among the Klingons about the [TS]

  Federation as this as this project that [TS]

  will wipe away click on cultural [TS]

  distinctives the Klingons will lose some [TS]

  essence of who they are in joining up or [TS]

  even even beginning the process of [TS]

  joining up with the Federation I don't [TS]

  know how intentional that isn't given [TS]

  the run more was co-writer I'm if I have [TS]

  a feeling that it probably was a little [TS]

  intentional but there is definitely [TS]

  some dialogue in those ideas explains a [TS]

  lot about collects it by the way if you [TS]

  look closely at some of the Borg in the [TS]

  background throughout this film you know [TS]

  they had they had way more budget and [TS]

  way more time to do the makeup so [TS]

  instead of just being a bunch of [TS]

  humanoid-looking boring if you look [TS]

  closely there are Klingon border and in [TS]

  romulus and Vulcans and Bolians and you [TS]

  know they they took the time to rethink [TS]

  how they looked and make all those [TS]

  different aliens into board to which you [TS]

  know very subtle thing and it was quite [TS]

  the boon for the Borg expansion set of [TS]

  the star trek customizable car get haha [TS]

  just oh just just head out nervous all [TS]

  so John Syracuse and I every now and [TS]

  then talk about what if things are [TS]

  robots are not at one point he and i had [TS]

  a baby a wacky conversation where we [TS]

  were talking about if you took a robot [TS]

  and added organic things would it would [TS]

  it become to become a cyborg from the [TS]

  other direction which is kind of what [TS]

  the board Queens trying to do to data [TS]

  here but I think that's fascinating that [TS]

  the Borg so many stories i think we see [TS]

  in Star Trek and another science fiction [TS]

  are about computer intelligences machine [TS]

  intelligence features and things like [TS]

  that are saying we're going to perfect [TS]

  everything by being logical and and [TS]

  making everything into a computer and [TS]

  the board isn't like that it's actually [TS]

  one of the things that I find [TS]

  fascinating about the board is the Board [TS]

  believes that the ultimate perfection in [TS]

  life is a synthesis of organic life and [TS]

  machinery and so data is intriguing to [TS]

  them but also still kind of offensive to [TS]

  them because data is just a machine data [TS]

  is a failure [TS]

  Amanda would say this to write data [TS]

  wants to be more human and and the [TS]

  board's perspective is yeah you do need [TS]

  to be more human because machines are [TS]

  just as bad as pure organics as as we [TS]

  were watching earlier the kids both went [TS]

  wee wee don't want to know where they [TS]

  got the skin for day and said no you [TS]

  really that bored always have a lot of [TS]

  skin that implies that they grew it or [TS]

  something like that but yeah we don't we [TS]

  don't [TS]

  wanna know where the things that makes [TS]

  the board so effective is that they take [TS]

  familiar things and they make them [TS]

  unfamiliar right so there are simulating [TS]

  the enterprise and they have that [TS]

  there's a great scene where they go from [TS]

  the normal corridor you know in the [TS]

  early in the movie when they're figure [TS]

  out the border on the enterprise and [TS]

  they're walking down a corridor and then [TS]

  suddenly you know they turn a corner and [TS]

  it's the same corridor except its border [TS]

  five and so now suddenly it's an alien [TS]

  space but yet there's an underlying [TS]

  familiarity of it so that makes it [TS]

  creepy and then of course they [TS]

  assimilate people you know and change [TS]

  the way they look datas look changes [TS]

  because the graft all the skin on to him [TS]

  that shot where they show that the earth [TS]

  has been assimilated it's a very [TS]

  familiar shot of the earth but it's [TS]

  slightly different so it's very very [TS]

  effective [TS]

  it's like a literal nightmare you know [TS]

  when you have those dreams where it's [TS]

  like I was in my house but it's not my [TS]

  house and someone was there but they [TS]

  weren't that person and that's exactly [TS]

  that zombies and body horror and I mean [TS]

  it's all kind of wrapped together I [TS]

  think any other thoughts about that but [TS]

  the board the board queen i really like [TS]

  Alice creek here i love the shot where [TS]

  she comes down from the rafters and it's [TS]

  just because everyone because that that [TS]

  says it all right that says this is not [TS]

  a person right this is not a human [TS]

  person anyway this is something very [TS]

  different and and it's just it's just a [TS]

  great moment i love it as you and she [TS]

  gets in her little outfit and then just [TS]

  starts to walk it's like why even now I [TS]

  like that i love that shot and I like [TS]

  really like this character too and I [TS]

  agree I my question i guess for the [TS]

  rescue I'm kind of curious like coming [TS]

  into this from you know your experiences [TS]

  with the Borg in the series to this [TS]

  seemed like does it seem really on board [TS]

  like I mean they they have a data gets a [TS]

  nice shot off he's like oh you can't be [TS]

  an individual because that's not what [TS]

  the Borg are and she's like well you [TS]

  know sort of its but it's a weird it's [TS]

  not something we've really seen that [TS]

  much of from the board we do have like [TS]

  Hugh early on and stuff like that right [TS]

  where we have semi individuals of course [TS]

  later we have seven of nine on Voyager [TS]

  but it seems it's an interesting choice [TS]

  because it does put a face on what's [TS]

  otherwise this gigantic monolithic bad [TS]

  guy and I was curious to know if you [TS]

  guys felt like that was a that was an [TS]

  odd choice or no I think it's a really [TS]

  good choice especially going forward on [TS]

  Voyager like a lot of the [TS]

  best episodes of season 6 and 7 or all [TS]

  about the board queen and you know Jason [TS]

  you're talking about liking the shot [TS]

  where she comes down like they you can [TS]

  see the the special version of it like [TS]

  with the special effects shots were [TS]

  there they have on a crane they're [TS]

  lowering her down [TS]

  Voyager had a shot that I think even it [TS]

  surpasses that is her entire body being [TS]

  put together from scratch it's really [TS]

  really awesome probably the the best [TS]

  technical moment of Voyager special [TS]

  effects so I think I i really like it [TS]

  because I think she does kind of thumb [TS]

  is she gives you no conflict in science [TS]

  fiction like it's it's basically about [TS]

  mirroring human emotion right so i think [TS]

  when it's more amorphous I think it's [TS]

  really hard to get at the heart of that [TS]

  that said I think that the biggest flaw [TS]

  at least to me in first contact is you [TS]

  know the data board Queen subplot i [TS]

  think it is a little bit mod1 I think [TS]

  Star Trek tends to go down the road of [TS]

  someone that wants to be human just [TS]

  about two or three times too many and [TS]

  it's just down it didn't really land for [TS]

  me and I think it's because you have [TS]

  brent Spiner is acting just can't [TS]

  compete with other people in the movie [TS]

  to be honest I disagree on a bunch of [TS]

  different levels but uh because the the [TS]

  another way you're saying you're talking [TS]

  about [TS]

  I don't feel like it holds up as well as [TS]

  the shot in first contact because this [TS]

  is mostly photographic with like [TS]

  paintwork and like I don't know elastic [TS]

  reality or wear these for the morphing [TS]

  that pulls off this effect is not as [TS]

  complex or as intricate conceptually but [TS]

  I feel like wind up looking better over [TS]

  the years because the other one was just [TS]

  kind of a little shiny if you go back in [TS]

  and when watching this this works out [TS]

  well for me and I i do like Prince [TS]

  acting off of her there couple scenes [TS]

  where he's he's hitting it a little hard [TS]

  but it's it's AIT's it's nice to have [TS]

  this sort of unusual seduction compared [TS]

  to I feel like some of the more typical [TS]

  star trek romances that [TS]

  we see play out because this is very [TS]

  alien on many levels to to watch these [TS]

  these to interact as opposed to you know [TS]

  some of the more traditional things of [TS]

  of different characters trying to appeal [TS]

  to one another in order to accomplish [TS]

  their goals and that you know what might [TS]

  be a different alien race or something [TS]

  but mainly comes out like pointed ears [TS]

  and and this is it is something other [TS]

  entirely there are moments where I think [TS]

  especially towards the end where brent [TS]

  Spiner doesn't do as good a job but i [TS]

  think the the when they're doing their [TS]

  Goldfinger kind of number there and he [TS]

  keeps saying things like like that seems [TS]

  that's an interesting story but i don't [TS]

  think i believe it's friday he's very [TS]

  skeptical i really like all of that [TS]

  later later it's maybe not as strong but [TS]

  I i do like that because of the [TS]

  temptations of the flesh that she's [TS]

  offering to data I feel like that that's [TS]

  just like laying it out there as plain [TS]

  as day of like organic life is something [TS]

  that we can provide to you you can be [TS]

  more than you are and that's what he's [TS]

  told us for seven seasons that he always [TS]

  wanted and and it also sets up the [TS]

  question of like is going to be tempted [TS]

  which we find out later he was tempted [TS]

  for six tenths of a second which is an [TS]

  eternity for Androids [TS]

  I i do ultimately I i really like those [TS]

  scenes although i think that maybe [TS]

  they're they're not toward the end [TS]

  they're not quite as well put together [TS]

  but I i remember watching it with my [TS]

  father and his immediate reaction to the [TS]

  board Queen was oh no no there are no [TS]

  individuals no no and I thought well [TS]

  alright that's no that makes sense but [TS]

  the more I thought about it night and [TS]

  got him to watch it again [TS]

  what's the one thing we know about the [TS]

  board they adapt what do they do in when [TS]

  they're firing their weapons they adapt [TS]

  to you know they had their shields they [TS]

  have to keep shifting frequencies they [TS]

  do all these things [TS]

  this is just an adaptation this is what [TS]

  they have to do to conquer earth and to [TS]

  conquer humanity and I thought that was [TS]

  you know it's not obvious they don't [TS]

  they don't like hold up a sign and go [TS]

  see here's what we're doing but I [TS]

  thought that worked really well and then [TS]

  I liked where it developed into Voyager [TS]

  she's not over explained here either [TS]

  right [TS]

  basically I I like that she's like well [TS]

  you know the words are individuals and [TS]

  she's like it's complicated you don't [TS]

  understand how complicated we are and I [TS]

  like [TS]

  like humans you don't get you you think [TS]

  you know the Borg but we are way more [TS]

  complex than that and then they don't go [TS]

  into it i like it because it's like yeah [TS]

  okay i could buy that and we've already [TS]

  seen the cutest right we gave we took a [TS]

  person gave them a name while they were [TS]

  assimilated it's like okay [TS]

  the board will do what they want to do [TS]

  and if they are a hivemind sort of [TS]

  having a queen bee makes sense so and [TS]

  and you know and what we get then is a [TS]

  spokesperson for the board which is [TS]

  really what we need in order for the [TS]

  board to be a little more than a [TS]

  faceless automatons which is what they [TS]

  were kind of next-generation I like that [TS]

  scene with Picard and the board Queen [TS]

  where he's like but the ship oh i [TS]

  remember when i was little cute i [TS]

  remember you but that ship was blown up [TS]

  and she looks at him with the stain and [TS]

  says he's making such three-dimensional [TS]

  terms that body is if you know her [TS]

  that body is not her she is an [TS]

  individual kind of but she's also a part [TS]

  of the collective so that body just [TS]

  appears whenever she needs it to be [TS]

  because she is where the board is [TS]

  because she is bored like the Trinity [TS]

  people i mean even when they named him [TS]

  Locutus they they did make it pretty [TS]

  clear that they named him that because [TS]

  they felt they needed a spokesman they [TS]

  needed someone to communicate yeah so it [TS]

  makes sense to me and I like the idea [TS]

  that it's that you know she's she's not [TS]

  an individual who runs the Borg she is [TS]

  the body that they have created in order [TS]

  to represent the you know the board in [TS]

  conversation first first among equals [TS]

  you could say that she's the devil that [TS]

  they needed for data in some ways right [TS]

  since to tempt data that may be why she [TS]

  is there is because they did thats you [TS]

  know she's required at that point it's [TS]

  not like they said it's not like they [TS]

  say oh well she's going to start the new [TS]

  hive here on earth after we kill [TS]

  everybody and we've got a whole plan to [TS]

  do all of that so don't go into that [TS]

  which i really like to just leave it [TS]

  it's complicated it's more than three [TS]

  dimensional humans wouldn't understand [TS]

  us and another moment i like is when the [TS]

  instructor dish like they get the the [TS]

  dish off and that plan has stopped and [TS]

  there's a moment she looks up and she [TS]

  obviously realizes what has happened [TS]

  because she is the board so she knows [TS]

  what everything is going on and she says [TS]

  change of plans [TS]

  yeah it's still a villain and and but ya [TS]

  gotta collect villain it's good it's [TS]

  really good [TS]

  Alice creek just good job it's a good [TS]

  performance and absolutely [TS]

  this movie is so well cast you know it [TS]

  is it's it's not nothing against some of [TS]

  the other castes but everyone even the [TS]

  smallest parts are really nicely cast [TS]

  and and especially you know Alfre [TS]

  Woodard and James Cromwell and analysis [TS]

  creek [TS]

  come on yeah I know McDonough he dies [TS]

  well uh huh [TS]

  let's talk about it from Cochrane so [TS]

  down on the planet down on earth i keep [TS]

  calling it the planet but it's earth its [TS]

  21st mid twenty-first century or not [TS]

  that far from now we've got a third [TS]

  world war two learn to live through as [TS]

  real star trek that late 20th and early [TS]

  21st century had world war three it was [TS]

  very bad we survived their eugenics wars [TS]

  already so we're doing all right blue [TS]

  super soap so down in Montana an old the [TS]

  nuclear missile silo Zefram Cochrane who [TS]

  is this character who was mentioned and [TS]

  shown sort of in his secret post faking [TS]

  his death life being a very different [TS]

  kind of guy but hey it was a long time [TS]

  later but he was always supposed to be [TS]

  the man who invented the warp drive so [TS]

  here we see it [TS]

  he is a hard-drinking scientists who [TS]

  enjoys rockabilly on a jukebox [TS]

  ok who so sure it so good possibility is [TS]

  best on a jukebox i really like his coat [TS]

  by the way impactful overall were there [TS]

  it's a giant winner for me especially [TS]

  compared to Picard space cardigan which [TS]

  I find pretty lame yeah he's got a job [TS]

  he's got a jug head hat yeah I like [TS]

  Picard's 21st century earth outfit the [TS]

  pants those pants are amazing [TS]

  yeah so that we get different conference [TS]

  down here and he's a and he's we meet [TS]

  him and he's without talking to Lily but [TS]

  then there's a there's an attack and and [TS]

  by the Borg and and lily has to be taken [TS]

  back to the ship so Cochran is down [TS]

  there essentially with Ryker and Troy [TS]

  and then an engineering team that's [TS]

  going to help fix the damage to his ship [TS]

  so that he can take off the next day and [TS]

  that's that's the you could see that [TS]

  kind of story line right where there's a [TS]

  there's a technical store [TS]

  about fixing the ship one of the things [TS]

  that this movie does so well is that's [TS]

  not what this whole segment is about [TS]

  it's about Zefram Cochrane is a [TS]

  character which first off kind of a big [TS]

  deal for star trek movie to spend so [TS]

  much time on a character arc of somebody [TS]

  who's not one of the seven regular [TS]

  characters but it's really good because [TS]

  it's what somebody told you that you [TS]

  were one of the most famous people in [TS]

  history and what you're about to do is [TS]

  going to change everything and then you [TS]

  feel the weight of history pressing down [TS]

  on you and that's what happens to that [TS]

  from cochran here they're funny [TS]

  there's there's a lot of funny stuff too [TS]

  i really like the stuff with Ryker and [TS]

  Troy I feel like jonathan frakes is [TS]

  never better as Ryker than he is in the [TS]

  scene where he finds droid drunk at the [TS]

  bar [TS]

  yep that was a great sea mile to smell [TS]

  you just smile on his face but the smile [TS]

  in his eyes is perfect [TS]

  yeah LeVar Burton gets to go full [TS]

  reading rainbow at one point statue [TS]

  yes don't take my word for it he's got a [TS]

  very specific like diction and cadence [TS]

  there and I kept thinking of my cats are [TS]

  reading rainbow episode but mine own for [TS]

  this part mainly just reads don't meet [TS]

  your heroes [TS]

  yeah I do love the part with Georgie [TS]

  says I probably shouldn't tell you this [TS]

  but I went to separate cock again [TS]

  yeah well there's that moment later [TS]

  where Riker says to Jordi you told him [TS]

  about the Statue Like don't just because [TS]

  he's really runs off at one point and is [TS]

  drinking in the in the wilderness and is [TS]

  going to try to hide from them because [TS]

  you just can't take it anymore Barkley [TS]

  of course once his autograph essentially [TS]

  but i really like that that he is not a [TS]

  he's kind of a strange guy who's [TS]

  building a spaceship out of a nuclear [TS]

  missile complex on his own he's figured [TS]

  out warp drive and it's fine when it's [TS]

  just him and his friends messing around [TS]

  trying to build this thing but then when [TS]

  he when he sees the history of it he has [TS]

  a hard time living up to it and I just I [TS]

  really enjoy all of these parts i think [TS]

  james cromwell does a great job with [TS]

  this character and I and you know [TS]

  there's a funny moment when they [TS]

  launched and he and then there were they [TS]

  have to abort the launch because he [TS]

  can't find it the thing that's important [TS]

  it's because he wants to play magic [TS]

  carpet ride while they launched into [TS]

  space office sony minidisc it's not [TS]

  quite of the Beastie Boys roughly [TS]

  one haha what I like about it is that [TS]

  after we've spent this too much time [TS]

  with Ephram Cochran do we really doubt [TS]

  that he's got a song picked out [TS]

  I don't ya i believe it yeah and James [TS]

  Cromwell is one of those actors i grew [TS]

  up watching him and he you know he was [TS]

  one of those it's that guy in you know [TS]

  he was stretch Cunningham on all in the [TS]

  family he was on places like five [TS]

  different people on Barney Miller and [TS]

  really until he was in babe know he's [TS]

  just hey it's that guy right yeah babe [TS]

  and LA confidential and then I think the [TS]

  Joe link to the the roger ebert review [TS]

  of first contact which wich dread which [TS]

  calls from james caldwell the tall [TS]

  farmer from babe and I was like yeah [TS]

  that's also where that you're arguing [TS]

  but I was like you know he's just this [TS]

  funny guy who appears on 76 comes and [TS]

  and oh he's so good in this and the [TS]

  comedy scenes on earth especially with [TS]

  Zefram Cochrane interacting with all of [TS]

  the other cast and crew we we get [TS]

  history if you don't figure out that [TS]

  familiar star trek but you also get a [TS]

  moment to release some of the tension [TS]

  that builds up in the action scenes that [TS]

  are happening on the enterprise whenever [TS]

  we cut back to this weekend we can sort [TS]

  of like reset a little and come back [TS]

  down and then we can go back to that and [TS]

  the actions can start to build up again [TS]

  which is something that doesn't happen [TS]

  very often where you're just sleeping [TS]

  from 10 gravity scene to another zero [TS]

  gravity scene and backhoe along the you [TS]

  know gravity current any thing towards [TS]

  the thing to release the switch to the [TS]

  levers or whatever so there's there's [TS]

  there's none of the it having this [TS]

  comedy helps the story structurally too [TS]

  because you can you can sort of relax [TS]

  and then get comfortable again it's not [TS]

  just a constant barrage of of action p [TS]

  so over action piece yet again again [TS]

  it's that balance and economy they they [TS]

  trust the audience to go with them they [TS]

  trust the audience not to explain so [TS]

  many things and it's delightful [TS]

  I think that it's a good use I I praised [TS]

  jonathan frakes performance directing [TS]

  himself here but i think given how much [TS]

  time he spent with marina sirtis i'm in [TS]

  making the original next-generation [TS]

  series [TS]

  she's good here too and i'm not a big [TS]

  fan of Troy but I think that she this is [TS]

  the best [TS]

  Troy that she is you know they should [TS]

  yeah she's got funny drunk things which [TS]

  you know what records you're drunk it's [TS]

  like she's so drunk what you should [TS]

  never say it but IM not what why does [TS]

  she have that job it's like she knows [TS]

  people [TS]

  she's like she's like she's a counselor [TS]

  she knows people she's the one you send [TS]

  in there to talk to this guy and and [TS]

  like all of her scenes i think are very [TS]

  good and i'm not a fan of Troy and the [TS]

  next generation very much I i think that [TS]

  she was badly used but here she really [TS]

  gets room to shine and I think she's [TS]

  really good i think with our Burton is [TS]

  good here because what we're seeing is [TS]

  already doing his job right he's like I [TS]

  get to fix the ship that I learned about [TS]

  in school that's awesome and he's [TS]

  instructing engineers to do all this [TS]

  stuff and that's good too i love Georgie [TS]

  is one of my favorite characters I feel [TS]

  like he gets ill served a lot of [TS]

  next-generation episodes and this is a [TS]

  really good use of him Troy as well I i [TS]

  like you i'm not a huge fan of her but I [TS]

  I think she does really well here we see [TS]

  the chemistry between her and Riker [TS]

  which a lot of times we had told about [TS]

  but don't necessarily experience or its [TS]

  melodramatic and over-the-top where is [TS]

  this one seems like oh yeah these are [TS]

  too long friends / sometimes partners [TS]

  who you know clearly have a rapport with [TS]

  each other and and I think even the [TS]

  drunk thing is funny to me because i [TS]

  remember watching this as a [TS]

  sixteen-year-old and thinking wow one of [TS]

  the the next generation career is [TS]

  getting drunk this is so like so wrong [TS]

  it feels like so weird that he'd like it [TS]

  yeah scandalous good work well gene was [TS]

  dead by then so it's okay huh what else [TS]

  to talk about here I I don't have a lot [TS]

  of other notes these are the three [TS]

  these are the three categories i think [TS]

  at the end when the stories come [TS]

  together is pretty good we see the [TS]

  shadow of this of the enterprise-e on [TS]

  the controls on the Phoenix which is the [TS]

  warp ship and they say oh I'm sure [TS]

  they're just here just give us a [TS]

  send-off but meanwhile data is targeting [TS]

  them with quantum torpedoes and it's a [TS]

  it's a very exciting moment and and then [TS]

  we discover of course data isn't [TS]

  betraying them he's gonna he's gonna [TS]

  miss they're gonna make their work jump [TS]

  and i will say maybe having a volatile [TS]

  material that will destroy all organic [TS]

  material one bump from of a phaser rifle [TS]

  away from killing everybody [TS]

  engineering might be a design flaw but [TS]

  it's good that it was a rise though [TS]

  right like it doesn't go up that's nice [TS]

  it's very heavy out on the floor the [TS]

  advantage of using some really [TS]

  questionable nineties cg volumetric [TS]

  stuff i mean i think about just rates [TS]

  i'm not even sure this billion metric [TS]

  baby it looks it looks decidedly not [TS]

  realistic in any capacity that's not yet [TS]

  I i had a couple random notes one which [TS]

  was i love when Riker tries to explain [TS]

  the cochrane you know in cochrane sort [TS]

  of repeats back to Mikey ok this is what [TS]

  you're telling me there's a bunch of [TS]

  like robots from the future trying to [TS]

  come back and stop it's like he [TS]

  literally just described terminator [TS]

  terminator [TS]

  well did you see the board queen at the [TS]

  end she's the Terminator yes you know [TS]

  she is determine areas is exactly i have [TS]

  very terminator head written in my notes [TS]

  as well I also that Jonathan Franks must [TS]

  have a kink in his neck from looking up [TS]

  the child james cromwell for this entire [TS]

  about it and he's a big man hands and oh [TS]

  yeah Patrick Stewart super-ripped good [TS]

  for Patrick Stewart isn't it is it kinda [TS]

  depressing to think that like I i wish i [TS]

  could like told myself in you Nadine I [TS]

  60 i saw this so like Brianna every [TS]

  single star trek movie see from here on [TS]

  out it's not gonna be as good [TS]

  like that's really depressing click [TS]

  2009.com despite you know I don't think [TS]

  we've had a truly great star trek movie [TS]

  since then and i would like to say a [TS]

  samplin i wanted to mention the music [TS]

  for a minute because this is jerry [TS]

  goldsmith working on with his son Joel [TS]

  and what I love about it is of course [TS]

  Jerry Goldsmith did the next generation [TS]

  theme when it was the Star Trek the [TS]

  motion picture theme and so we get that [TS]

  here and I like that it's sort of the [TS]

  the night a nice uniting of the guy who [TS]

  wrote the music for the show and the [TS]

  people who are actually from that show [TS]

  y'all together the motion picture [TS]

  Klingon theme for world's great and the [TS]

  first contact theme is fantastic i found [TS]

  myself wandering around just like [TS]

  whistling it's from myself after [TS]

  watching the movie and there's a nice [TS]

  board theme to which is that when it's [TS]

  almost like the 2001 notes in a [TS]

  different weird different key with some [TS]

  weird electronic on top of it but we see [TS]

  we hear that when the board up here [TS]

  throughout so I I really actually like [TS]

  the score a lot because of the nostalgia [TS]

  and also because of the original stuff [TS]

  that's in the movie I think it's pretty [TS]

  good i mean there's a reason Goldsmith [TS]

  is a legend I mean I wouldn't rip this a [TS]

  couple days ago to listen to it again [TS]

  because i own a CD of it from from 1996 [TS]

  which is the only place you can get [TS]

  CDC's days and it's really it's really [TS]

  it's it's great it's a great score i [TS]

  wish there I which I there were more [TS]

  cues on the soundtrack but it's it's [TS]

  really solid and goldsmith does elevate [TS]

  this in a way that a lot of the you know [TS]

  the TV stuff it's very different writing [TS]

  music for you know 7 Series is 7 seasons [TS]

  of a TV show than it is for writing for [TS]

  a feature film and you know Jerry [TS]

  Goldsmith once again displays why he is [TS]

  an amazing amazing score [TS]

  yeah I think that's also one of the [TS]

  things that for me kind of hurt [TS]

  generations is this score by Dennis [TS]

  McCarthy does not have the very familiar [TS]

  theme that you heard in every single [TS]

  opening of every single star trek the [TS]

  next generation episode so that that [TS]

  that theme from the original motion [TS]

  picture was completely absent from that [TS]

  that episode I'm sorry that movie from [TS]

  fellow it's kind of an episode last [TS]

  episode you update the but this movie [TS]

  has it and he would go on to score all [TS]

  of the remaining next-generation movies [TS]

  all three of these and i have to say [TS]

  that first contact is my favorite of [TS]

  them there are some action cues that I [TS]

  like an insurrection but this one really [TS]

  holds together very well and is quite [TS]

  possibly my favorite of the three [TS]

  nemesis is just like a disaster [TS]

  unfortunately in all levels yeah I I [TS]

  think he was probably given some bad [TS]

  direction by the director or something [TS]

  but that soundtrack they all were great [TS]

  but there's no aspect of that movie that [TS]

  wasn't a bad direction but the the [TS]

  that's one of the things that I really [TS]

  love about first contact and I've lost [TS]

  my original CD so i cant i cant a boot [TS]

  up a nineties operating system to access [TS]

  the digital extras that are still on it [TS]

  so I'm gonna go around the panel and ask [TS]

  for some sort of final thoughts over all [TS]

  about how you feel about first contact [TS]

  and [TS]

  the top the hard question which is where [TS]

  does it rank where does it rank in Star [TS]

  Trek movies where would you where you [TS]

  put it [TS]

  I'm curious about that so let me start [TS]

  with with bri since she sort of started [TS]

  down this path and saying that we [TS]

  haven't seen its like since we're [TS]

  bringing overall thoughts about first [TS]

  contact and where would you rank it [TS]

  well i think it's it's a third as second [TS]

  best Star Trek movie right like wrath of [TS]

  khan is definitely the best one that has [TS]

  the best merit I think the shot really [TS]

  pulled it together that filling really [TS]

  delivered extremely powerful performance [TS]

  but you know I i think this is a movie [TS]

  it really comes close [TS]

  I really really close and think it's the [TS]

  the best moment that you know generation [TS]

  on the next generation staff had [TS]

  together so I i guess i would say I [TS]

  always watch this movie and I am a [TS]

  little bit sad because this was a time [TS]

  period where we were talking about [TS]

  perhaps getting you avoid movie made and [TS]

  wasn't really clear where your broom [TS]

  we're going to go after a next [TS]

  generation had their shot and you know [TS]

  like you guys are laughing at the doctor [TS]

  and your Janeway small cameo but to me [TS]

  it's like um I don't know like this is [TS]

  the one the last chance that we we [TS]

  really had to see that crew on the big [TS]

  screen and we never did so it's always a [TS]

  little bittersweet for me [TS]

  so what about you where where does this [TS]

  movie rank overall and what are your [TS]

  overall thoughts about it i love this [TS]

  movie [TS]

  I have a hard time ranking it exactly [TS]

  with everything a kind of toss it back [TS]

  and forth between a couple because i do [TS]

  think that wrath of khan is my favorite [TS]

  but II there are some things about it [TS]

  there in terms of filmmaking our little [TS]

  dated [TS]

  unfortunately I i still love it so no [TS]

  one sent me an angry letter by the same [TS]

  kind of goes for structure for which I [TS]

  also love i also love the movie star [TS]

  trek six I really do love a lot but i [TS]

  think first contact might be above [TS]

  either six or voyage home depending on [TS]

  my mood but that's that's where I would [TS]

  would rank them and I I think this might [TS]

  be definitely the most cinematic version [TS]

  of the next generation you're going to [TS]

  see it is on the big screen for four [TS]

  movies but this is this is the movie of [TS]

  this cast [TS]

  jamel what do you want your overall [TS]

  thought about this and where do you [TS]

  slotted in the cannon so I think I i [TS]

  think it may be on the younger and of [TS]

  the group here and the next generation [TS]

  as a series very much like my track it [TS]

  to track i grew up watching with my [TS]

  family and the next generation and the [TS]

  first contact has a sort of special [TS]

  place in my in my movie viewing life is [TS]

  rid of the movie is Allah knows a kid [TS]

  and still you know pretty important to [TS]

  me and i love it on this very kind of [TS]

  emotional level and it is one of my [TS]

  favorite tracks I i think i would place [TS]

  it third with my favorite being [TS]

  undiscovered country followed by wrath [TS]

  of khan and then first contact i wanna [TS]

  sort of go to something [TS]

  Bree said which yet was her her view [TS]

  that mr. of the last great track movie [TS]

  and every kind of trying to think about [TS]

  like why that might have been made in my [TS]

  answer ANSWER have for myself at least [TS]

  is that I think it's served after the [TS]

  next generation and this may just [TS]

  reflect larger trends in Hollywood that [TS]

  track movies just became a member [TS]

  no species of action film and they're [TS]

  willing the willingness to kind of [TS]

  approach different kinds of genres [TS]

  within the track world one away right so [TS]

  like undiscovered country is basically a [TS]

  procedural like that is that's what that [TS]

  home is a procedural that happens when [TS]

  the trek universe trying to answer a [TS]

  central mystery the first contact is I [TS]

  think a lot of ways a horror movie with [TS]

  the some unit a fish out of water comedy [TS]

  thrown in [TS]

  to give it some levity but but since [TS]

  then we just happen i don't think [TS]

  there's been a real willingness weather [TS]

  for market reasons or just for you lack [TS]

  of creativity to really be used to track [TS]

  as like an umbrella for a you know [TS]

  exploring these characters in this world [TS]

  in in and the using different genres and [TS]

  I don't know you're gonna get that back [TS]

  and it's sort of why I kind of think [TS]

  that the best place for track really is [TS]

  television [TS]

  television [TS]

  and I'm not sure yeah I'm not sure [TS]

  movies ultimately or feature films [TS]

  ultimately all right sure are [TS]

  well-suited for what I think makes track [TS]

  track [TS]

  yeah I think there's a lot of truth when [TS]

  we talk about that in past episodes to [TS]

  that star trek on TV is it is a TV [TS]

  franchise ultimately and there are some [TS]

  good movies too but it it seems to be [TS]

  the best I did see a story at one point [TS]

  about how I mean paramount is basically [TS]

  in if it wasn't chaos and now it's in [TS]

  double chaos given all the ownership [TS]

  issues but I did see a story about the [TS]

  idea of what it what if they like [TS]

  everybody they're like what if we follow [TS]

  from Marvel's example and do a a bunch [TS]

  of movies in the star trek universe that [TS]

  tell different stories and I thought [TS]

  that might work i don't know if it would [TS]

  but it might work at least in that you [TS]

  would have the freedom to not have one [TS]

  movie every three years that had to be a [TS]

  huge action tentpole movie because you [TS]

  were making a bunch of different smoke [TS]

  maybe a little bit smaller movies in [TS]

  corners of the universe but I don't know [TS]

  how realistic that is in today's feature [TS]

  film business versus putting it on TV [TS]

  which is what CBS is doing with [TS]

  startling discovery [TS]

  Star Trek seems like a perfect fit for [TS]

  netflix to me but you know let's move [TS]

  this was his money [TS]

  it's netflix and the rest of the world [TS]

  that makes you feel any better [TS]

  yeah it isn't like so everywhere but [TS]

  here David what are your overall [TS]

  thoughts about first contact and where [TS]

  do you rank it I well you know i love it [TS]

  when when i saw it it's one of the few [TS]

  few movies i saw it twice the opening [TS]

  weekend and it i would put it right up [TS]

  there with wrath of khan you know and [TS]

  and only like by a couple of degrees [TS]

  it's like that close for me it's just it [TS]

  the story telling us so streamlined and [TS]

  so I mean did this is a this is the next [TS]

  generation firing on all cylinders right [TS]

  and I remember walking out of it very [TS]

  hopeful for where they were going to go [TS]

  because they were all still pretty young [TS]

  and you know and I I i know some fans [TS]

  are not crazy about Brandon braga after [TS]

  a while but i like Braga and [TS]

  or when they're working together I [TS]

  forgive them for generations yet to have [TS]

  the promise of future next-generation [TS]

  movies followed up with insurrection and [TS]

  everything I was just crushing and and [TS]

  even you know again just watching it [TS]

  recently for this it's the same [TS]

  excitement it's like I want to see more [TS]

  with them doing big things and there are [TS]

  two other things that I can watch them [TS]

  doing big things but i don't watch them [TS]

  again and I you know I've said it before [TS]

  I kind of like insurrection it's it's [TS]

  still it's like maybe mid range for me [TS]

  you know it's not it's not nemesis God [TS]

  knows but yeah I just I really like [TS]

  first contact i love that it allows the [TS]

  characters to have dimension that they [TS]

  don't get to have in any of the other [TS]

  movies and you get to see them doing [TS]

  things that they don't do all the time [TS]

  except maybe Worf because work is worth [TS]

  a lot of a lot of bittersweetness when [TS]

  we think about what happened after this [TS]

  movie it's really sad [TS]

  yeah Anna your your final thoughts and [TS]

  and ranking for first contact yeah it's [TS]

  a it's a damn shame that we only got we [TS]

  have four movies and we'll only one of [TS]

  them was like really tremendously good i [TS]

  do have a soft spot for generations but [TS]

  I you know it's not nearly as good as [TS]

  first contact [TS]

  yeah I i really like first contact i [TS]

  haven't watched it in many years and so [TS]

  I was kind of trepidatious when I sat [TS]

  down to watch it wondering if it held up [TS]

  and and by gosh it did I really enjoyed [TS]

  that I was not bored for a single moment [TS]

  I i really felt very engaged and and it [TS]

  was zero just as good as i remember [TS]

  seeing it in the movie theater so I feel [TS]

  good about that although to you know to [TS]

  breeze point emails point about the [TS]

  other as a TV series i think i think [TS]

  that's there's something to be said for [TS]

  that it is really hard i mean the [TS]

  nineties worry more the sort of that the [TS]

  birth of the big blockbuster action [TS]

  movie and as a teenager in that era I [TS]

  went and saw a bunch of them some i [TS]

  guess i'm part of the problem but I [TS]

  don't forget about mine [TS]

  I never got my ds9 move either so you [TS]

  know yeah there's that I guess I [TS]

  suffered through that as well as far as [TS]

  overall ranking I think I probably on in [TS]

  club Joe here [TS]

  iie it's hard for me to put a ranking on [TS]

  them wrath of khan obviously has a lot [TS]

  going for it and is it is a you know a [TS]

  technical masterpiece I think like Jim [TS]

  ally I grew up with TNG and and so these [TS]

  guys are more like my crew than the [TS]

  original series crew was and I certainly [TS]

  you know watch a lot more next [TS]

  generation before I saw any of the [TS]

  original series for much of the original [TS]

  series so I I kind of put this up there [TS]

  with them but it's also a little bit [TS]

  apples and oranges I do love four and [TS]

  six just because of their their [TS]

  respective nature's for as a great [TS]

  comedy show piece and six just because [TS]

  it's it's a thriller great great you fun [TS]

  to watch thriller very popcorn me [TS]

  without being too ridiculous like [TS]

  blockbuster action movie so you know [TS]

  those are those are I think the four [TS]

  star trek movies that i would gladly [TS]

  watch it anytime no matter what so I I'm [TS]

  okay putting them all in a little pool [TS]

  together right Scott [TS]

  it's down to you now what are your [TS]

  thoughts about first contact and where [TS]

  rates [TS]

  well I will echo many sentiments I i [TS]

  love first contact i do hate the opening [TS]

  credits though they're so so bland if [TS]

  they are awful [TS]

  I don't know why there should i had a [TS]

  note about most generic titles ever I [TS]

  sure it's some contractual thing to have [TS]

  awful opening credits or something but i [TS]

  just don't like that and it's so sad [TS]

  want to write the fun the opening scene [TS]

  is so great but the credits are just [TS]

  awful and even that's a the generations [TS]

  credits that you are better you know you [TS]

  follow that champagne bottle you don't [TS]

  know how to dance at the beginning [TS]

  you're like what the heck of an echo its [TS]

  champion anyway [TS]

  clearly his first contact is the third [TS]

  best Star Trek movie but it was no doubt [TS]

  about it [TS]

  wrath of khan uh [TS]

  the undiscovered country first contact [TS]

  probably then star trek for and then [TS]

  star trek 2009 reboot probably would be [TS]

  by my rankings beyond oh you put beyond [TS]

  what 2,000 i like it i just destroyed [TS]

  micro ok I'm right there with you I [TS]

  thought Scott was gonna go left field [TS]

  and say like and then star trek five you [TS]

  know your stuff [TS]

  what has gotten into instruction not in [TS]

  front of the Klingons yeah but I mean [TS]

  the end and there's just so much that I [TS]

  like about first contact i can't think [TS]

  of anything other than the opening [TS]

  credits that I don't like about first so [TS]

  I mean kudos to everyone involved and I [TS]

  mean I I you know as everyone said the [TS]

  next generation movies afterwards not [TS]

  very good i do like generations so it's [TS]

  not nearly as good as first contact but [TS]

  i do like it i like seeing William [TS]

  Shatner trucking around on a horse for [TS]

  no apparent reason [TS]

  making eggs eggs looking at a clock you [TS]

  know a guy name is in generations since [TS]

  I think it has its moments but uh yeah i [TS]

  mean first contact if they would made a [TS]

  more first contacts i will just keep [TS]

  watching [TS]

  but sadly i didn't they didn't they [TS]

  didn't do that well I i agree with what [TS]

  everybody said this is this is a great [TS]

  movie i was reminded about how great it [TS]

  is [TS]

  I i love it a lot i think i would [TS]

  probably say there are only been to [TS]

  legitimately great star trek movies and [TS]

  that their wrath of khan and first [TS]

  contact and when I hear people running [TS]

  down the next generation movies i have [TS]

  this moment where I'm like you've seen [TS]

  first contact because it's really good [TS]

  like it's a written it's not the wrath [TS]

  of khan being replayed it's a really [TS]

  good movie on its own and so I think [TS]

  those that's number one and revocations [TS]

  one of my favorite movies if not my [TS]

  favorite movie of all time but first [TS]

  contact is I think very clearly in that [TS]

  same in that same category as a truly [TS]

  great star trek movie and then yeah we [TS]

  can we can argue about what goes below [TS]

  that I think maybe I put 2009 third but [TS]

  yeah you know 20 it's a there so there's [TS]

  there's there's good charge recognize [TS]

  bad Star Trek we've established this [TS]

  this is [TS]

  good Star Trek it's sad what happened [TS]

  afterward but this is good stuff for the [TS]

  fact that it makes me really feel [TS]

  nostalgic for the next generation [TS]

  I grew up with original series as a kid [TS]

  I don't remember not knowing about the [TS]

  original Star Trek and the next [TS]

  generation was the show I became a fan [TS]

  of because i wasn't i was a high school [TS]

  and college student when it was on so I [TS]

  was deep down into my excitement as a as [TS]

  a sci-fi fan for next generation and I [TS]

  see this movie and I think this is how [TS]

  great that cast was and how great that [TS]

  show was it validates that in a strange [TS]

  way that like the original series got [TS]

  these good movies what about the next [TS]

  generation and hear it here it is like [TS]

  see what they can do when all the things [TS]

  are right see what this casket we also [TS]

  got all the we get all the tos reunion [TS]

  and like you know them coming back years [TS]

  after the show i kinda want the TNG [TS]

  reunion now where they will read my no [TS]

  band back together one last time right [TS]

  yeah exactly yeah I I don't think it's [TS]

  to be but I would ever know what i want [TS]

  i love to see Patrick they were [TS]

  difficult art one last time with the [TS]

  great and you know say what you will [TS]

  about the first couple of seasons of [TS]

  next generation or the first couple [TS]

  seasons of well any of them up but they [TS]

  were all really well cast and the [TS]

  characters i even in the worst episodes [TS]

  the characters were enough to get you [TS]

  through sometimes and this is you talk [TS]

  about the the reunion which is [TS]

  essentially what those Star Trek movies [TS]

  were the original Star Trek movies [TS]

  that's that's actually one of the power [TS]

  powerful things about this is that at [TS]

  least this is the team basically at the [TS]

  top of their game this isn't 15 years [TS]

  after they were on tue coming back and [TS]

  talking about aging this is the team [TS]

  doing their thing and you can imagine [TS]

  that they've been out on missions and [TS]

  that enterprise-e for a while now and [TS]

  who knows what they were we didn't get [TS]

  to see them but uh that's that's really [TS]

  cool too so it's just it's yeah i love [TS]

  it i want to give it a big hug [TS]

  except and I just I get turned into a [TS]

  board it would be bad don't know Jason [TS]

  don't let them touch you know hole no [TS]

  I'll just tell them to assimilate this [TS]

  anyway so happy 50th anniversary of Star [TS]

  Trek and here's to another 50 and here's [TS]

  to a neutron star trek TV series in 2017 [TS]

  I think we're all looking forward to [TS]

  some star trek on TV maybe where it [TS]

  belongs but uh but 50 years what a [TS]

  milestone so let me thank my panel for [TS]

  coming in and ensuring some happy [TS]

  thoughts about a a good movie that is [TS]

  very good and you should like it and you [TS]

  should watch it again Dan Morgan thanks [TS]

  for being here [TS]

  live long and prosper Jason David lure [TS]

  thank you thank you [TS]

  all I will say is definitely not swedish [TS]

  not swedish Scott McNulty you broke your [TS]

  little ships I did actually there's one [TS]

  of them on my desk that is broken every [TS]

  one important lesson that we learned [TS]

  from this movie bored have very bad [TS]

  eyesight [TS]

  yeah I just don't care they're really [TS]

  just kind of listless and they just [TS]

  don't care [TS]

  Jamelle Bouie thank you so much for [TS]

  being on the incomparable it was great [TS]

  to have you i hope we can talk star trek [TS]

  with you again sometime [TS]

  my pleasure today was a good day to talk [TS]

  about a movie we have someone on the [TS]

  defiant Adam Scott is pretty guess I [TS]

  really right now Rihanna would thank you [TS]

  as always in transmission [TS]

  yeah and Joe rosenstiel thank you very [TS]

  much for being here i would give you the [TS]

  Vulcan salute let's just shake ya and [TS]

  everybody out there thanks for listening [TS]

  to this episode now if you excuse me I [TS]

  have to plug in my jukebox and crank up [TS]

  the rockabilly we'll see you next week [TS]

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