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0:00:32hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

0:00:37good

0:00:39ok happy Monday I feel like bears this

0:00:46morning that the dancer in that band

0:00:48yeah that's right the Happy Mondays wow

0:00:50he's the dancer professional the

0:00:53accompanying dancer is EOD startup

0:00:56professional or when they must just

0:00:58invite him on stage to do a little dance

0:00:59I think he probably invited himself

0:01:02onstage

0:01:03yeah there was another band here in the

0:01:06northwest that had had their own dancer

0:01:09I i'd love to hear why feel like best

0:01:12but also i am a fan of band to have a

0:01:15superfluous dancer on stage I like that

0:01:17how many do you know it depends on how

0:01:20you define it i think bob from pavement

0:01:21kind of started out as a guy doing dance

0:01:24onstage

0:01:24you're right i think you're right then

0:01:26they gave him a stick right the other

0:01:28day and they might give him a stick he

0:01:30used to be the old drummer supposedly

0:01:33used to lake and out food at the door

0:01:34like sugar babies hand Gary's that his

0:01:37name Carrie Carrie Carrie so many

0:01:41cherries and they're all wonderful and

0:01:43then there was at the time of course

0:01:44like and then the sixth easy to have

0:01:45people dancing on stage I think it was

0:01:47just part of the people really used to

0:01:48put on a show that's right there was a

0:01:52Portland bank old hazel which was the

0:01:55peak krebs band and they had a dancer

0:01:58named fred fred was a little bit older

0:02:01than everybody else in the band and the

0:02:03thing i would think about them is that

0:02:05they were just an indie rock band you

0:02:06know they were there were excellent

0:02:08indie rock band i remember the name very

0:02:10much

0:02:11yeah but they had a great land like a

0:02:13middle-aged guy with the long beard

0:02:14dancing on stage with them which at the

0:02:16time was quite it quite a spectacle

0:02:20now what you expected yeah well I like

0:02:23to circle back to this can ask why I

0:02:24feel like that's today

0:02:26mmm jayla wind it no no let me tell you

0:02:30so in my office now i have to rig a key

0:02:37curing you kind of Kuric a cure egg

0:02:42and so I spent I was a little bit late

0:02:44to the program 15 minutes late because

0:02:46that was the 15 minutes it took me to

0:02:48figure out my care reg was this your

0:02:50first of the first pole first one

0:02:53sorry I'm saying I'm drinking it I'm

0:02:55drinking it out of a mug that says my

0:02:56own picture on it because that was the

0:02:59only mug that I had here

0:03:00uh-huh and hand it's delicious it's

0:03:05delicious it's nutritious it's my own

0:03:07coffee my own copy in my own strange

0:03:10little packet coffeemaker I'm into it

0:03:13though

0:03:14yeah here I go was it a gift oh nice

0:03:18oh the call coffee

0:03:21it was it was Christmas present and it's

0:03:27simple just Merlin it just simplifies

0:03:29the process of making coffee so much all

0:03:32you have to do is just push like 14

0:03:34buttons wait wait 11 minutes yeah I

0:03:38don't want to rain on your parade

0:03:39there's there's there's a few things I

0:03:41really really like about the keurig and

0:03:43then like a very large number of things

0:03:45I don't like about it

0:03:46mhm but it's me as a new keurig keurig

0:03:49owner

0:03:50I'm very very curious well I you know

0:03:52maybe I should not hold back i don't

0:03:54want to sour your experience of it

0:03:56milady works in a job at a fancy office

0:03:59and it's got lots of nice perks she can

0:04:02like walk to the gym you know she got a

0:04:04standing desk hundred rooms a lot of

0:04:07turquoise turquoise it's the kind that's

0:04:08why you get a job for the perks I think

0:04:11when you get a job in you know in her

0:04:13case medicine and education there's a

0:04:15lot of parks free medicine but she's got

0:04:21a Keurig machine the reason we ended up

0:04:23getting a Keurig machine she has one in

0:04:25her work place where she can walk a few

0:04:26steps go to the little kitchen and the

0:04:28thing about her current machine is its

0:04:30got like a dedicated waterline whoa it's

0:04:33a it's a it's a plugged in your eggs you

0:04:35can you imagine how that changes

0:04:37everything with fuckin changes

0:04:38everything

0:04:39you walk up to get one of these little

0:04:41buckets it looks kinda like a

0:04:43giant-sized cisco creamer

0:04:44yeah he drop it in an incredibly sharp

0:04:47needle goes into it and then it scored

0:04:48some coffee for you

0:04:50yeah it'sit's the the thing i will say

0:04:52about the keurig it is when it works is

0:04:54it is insanely can

0:04:55distant mm inconvenient consistent

0:04:59convenient those are two things that I

0:05:00want

0:05:01yeah because I a man you know I'm here

0:05:04and at the office and sometimes I want

0:05:08another cup of coffee but it's a long

0:05:09way to get a cup of coffee here

0:05:11well can I ask you about your iOS too

0:05:14much better office for a variety of

0:05:15reasons but what is the basic setup in

0:05:17terms of amenities I assume that you

0:05:19have a desk with your mac on it

0:05:21you've got probably a lot of empty

0:05:22amazon boxes there starts true and so

0:05:26what what is the setup for things like

0:05:28you know I'm always interested in

0:05:29bathrooms your bathroom set up what's

0:05:31the kitchen and food setup as the

0:05:34refrigeration could you give a rough

0:05:35idea of what today is like for you in

0:05:37terms of the amenities and perks

0:05:38absolutely so my offices as you know

0:05:41constructed in a former immigration

0:05:44prison

0:05:45wha well yeah that really honest

0:05:49well so it's a it's a beautiful art deco

0:05:52building that was built to house

0:05:57foreigners that we just we determined we

0:06:02did not want to just roam around so this

0:06:06was in the this was pre World War two

0:06:09when the biggest sort of problem the

0:06:14biggest immigration problem here in

0:06:16Seattle I think we're Chinese and and

0:06:19other sort of asian being Filipino knows

0:06:23they were coming in the working on ships

0:06:26and then they were trying to emigrate

0:06:27and and we had some issue with that so

0:06:30this was the new this was the new prison

0:06:32at the time I think before that they

0:06:33were just you know people whose

0:06:36immigration status was unclear

0:06:38we're just held in warehouses or Worf's

0:06:41and in addition to being the new

0:06:43immigration prison it was also the

0:06:46assays office so if you wanted your if

0:06:49you wanted your poke of gold assayed

0:06:53would also bring it here if you wanted

0:06:56your little if you wanted your your or

0:06:58if you are not recognized at the rim you

0:07:00can bring in what you find and let you

0:07:02know if it's a good claim

0:07:03oh well they will actually yeah they

0:07:06will tell you I'll tell you what you're

0:07:08golden

0:07:08going for like it it's a well put it on

0:07:12the scale in other words wow wow

0:07:15and so it continued in that role and

0:07:19then the war came

0:07:20so there this was not I mean they they

0:07:24decided that they were going to deport

0:07:25all of the japanese-americans two camps

0:07:28and this was sort of the headquarters of

0:07:31that process also did started out more

0:07:35like Vito Corleone in a room and became

0:07:38more like a halfway house to getting

0:07:41people to those camps during the war and

0:07:44I'm a nap after the war successive waves

0:07:47of people immigrating to Washington

0:07:50created a you know sort of like a your

0:07:53immigration statuses you don't have a

0:07:56passport for you don't you know you are

0:07:59applying for asylum here and it was a

0:08:02kind of place that that the goal was to

0:08:05process people through it but a lot of

0:08:08times you find people who just need to

0:08:11be deported to their original country

0:08:14okay sometimes you find people where

0:08:17they are original company doesn't her

0:08:18country doesn't want them back and

0:08:21that's where you get people in a limbo

0:08:22state America wants to send them away

0:08:26and then no country wants them i got and

0:08:30so then they live in a limbo state where

0:08:32they are locked in this prison until

0:08:36they are until their statuses resolved

0:08:38and as you can imagine the the people

0:08:40whose job it is to resolve that status

0:08:42are underpaid and overworked and harried

0:08:46and so forth by talk about being stuck

0:08:47in the system

0:08:48yeah and so there there were for many

0:08:51years people that just lived in a prison

0:08:53and there was no they they continue to

0:08:56have no status remember that guy that

0:08:57lived in the airport he lived in he

0:08:59landed in in the New York City edited

0:09:03JFK I really needed they made a movie

0:09:05about him because he is an international

0:09:07airport and he couldn't couldn't get out

0:09:09he couldn't go anyplace else

0:09:11yeah right he just was stuck in this

0:09:13like in-between State so this prison you

0:09:18know developed a reputation as being a

0:09:20pretty bad place

0:09:22it's because there are people stuck here

0:09:23for years and that no recourse to any

0:09:26law so as time went on you know then

0:09:29there were then there were a lot of

0:09:32latin american people here and a lot of

0:09:34Muslim people here and at a certain

0:09:38point after nine eleven it was

0:09:41determined that this prison wasn't big

0:09:43enough we needed to build a new prison a

0:09:48super-big state-of-the-art prison to

0:09:51house all of the new people that we were

0:09:53going to hold that to come in Northwest

0:09:57detention center that's the one and so

0:09:59this was the Bush era when we were a

0:10:01building a lot of prisons and behold a

0:10:03lot of people and so they they're here

0:10:06was this there's this enormous

0:10:07terracotta prison right in the center of

0:10:11Seattle's international district that no

0:10:13one knew what to do with so they just

0:10:14surplus it i just sold it to some dudes

0:10:17and the dudes thought oh man it's very

0:10:22cool building they were like oh well

0:10:24we'll set it up with t1 lines and it'll

0:10:26be a super rad tech office

0:10:30Wow and then the tech crashed sure and

0:10:38they said you know what

0:10:40rather than do that we're just gonna

0:10:43throw up some drywall and ran into a

0:10:46bunch of artists because right at that

0:10:48time Seattle's pioneer square

0:10:49neighborhood which had formerly been the

0:10:51art artist loft place was being swept

0:10:55with a with a wave of gentrification and

0:10:58all the artists were getting pushed out

0:11:00there was a place called The Washington

0:11:01shoe building which was an old shoe

0:11:04factory and it was that kind of artist

0:11:06hive where you walk in and the walls

0:11:09were all wackadoodle and people were

0:11:11having crazy parties like wonderful

0:11:14wonderful art parties and people living

0:11:18in there illegally and you know and

0:11:19making art so a lot of the old

0:11:23respectable artists that have come up in

0:11:26the Washington shoe building just moved

0:11:28over to this place which was formerly

0:11:31the

0:11:33what they call it the lioness building

0:11:37and the new owners change that too in

0:11:40escape so IMS case inscape so no t1

0:11:49lines know uh amenities really of any

0:11:54kind and my office is a corner office in

0:11:56what was formerly the men's dormitory

0:11:59where people lived in bunk beds in a

0:12:05giant you know holding place where I

0:12:09think they lived for a long long time

0:12:10there were bars on the windows

0:12:12I'm up on the top top floor so and and

0:12:17you know there are stories of guys that

0:12:19like climbed out on the on the ledge and

0:12:22jump to their deaths because it was so

0:12:25abysmal here my god

0:12:27and now some artists have turned the

0:12:30inscape building into a living museum

0:12:34where they commemorate all of the areas

0:12:37of of its prison dumb and there are all

0:12:43kinds of art parties here now and it's a

0:12:46and on my floor like painters and

0:12:50photographers and there's a woman that

0:12:52does a wonderful thing which i'm sure

0:12:54you know about which is she goes into

0:12:57business meetings and she diagrams the

0:13:00meeting what maybe you don't know about

0:13:02this yeah I love it out it's a kind of

0:13:04art but also a business strategy where

0:13:11they're having a meeting and she is kind

0:13:13of simultaneously like turning the

0:13:15meeting into a big a flow chart e wall

0:13:23art thing which then allows you to look

0:13:25at the meeting in and like a whole piece

0:13:29of data data art Wow

0:13:33I and let's see there's a woman next

0:13:36door who is I mean there are a lot of

0:13:39like the encaustic sculptor type people

0:13:44who are melting wax and burning things

0:13:46Potter's but what that means is an

0:13:52industrial sink halfway down the hall

0:13:54over a dormitory bathroom at the far end

0:13:59of the hall from me and no kitchen no I

0:14:04mean you just have to build your own

0:14:05little kitchen in your own place so if

0:14:07you want running water you gotta go to

0:14:08the sink you go to the sink to go

0:14:10ok alright you gotta go down the hall to

0:14:13go to the bathroom which is like shared

0:14:17yeah yeah I know and I mean but it's

0:14:20kept its kept reasonably clean there's a

0:14:22there's a manager here that sort of it

0:14:25does a a pretty darn good job of running

0:14:28heard on everybody

0:14:30the free pile is pretty amazing down in

0:14:34the basement right now i would say the

0:14:36free pile has gone to shit people are

0:14:38just dumping trash there but over the

0:14:40years like you know you find a dentist

0:14:43chair there i mean i've outfitted my

0:14:45whole place with stuff I found in the

0:14:47building the couch there's a table with

0:14:50four chairs there's a desk

0:14:53it's a it's living history living

0:14:56history that's right and I like the

0:14:57space i like the weird people so the

0:15:01current is good fit for you in that

0:15:03sense yet

0:15:04that's right gotta fetch some water got

0:15:07and I've got a picture so i can go get

0:15:09the water without taking the courage up

0:15:11curate apart right and uh yeah I've got

0:15:16a little space heater yet fridge no

0:15:20fridge

0:15:21you should get fridge well so what i did

0:15:22was i bought a I bought a box of those

0:15:24little creamers oh they're like aseptic

0:15:28don't go back rumors

0:15:30no don't go bad dreamers and I figure

0:15:34they won't go bad for six months or

0:15:35something like that what else would I

0:15:37want in the fridge Greek yogurt yogurt

0:15:39you can have us ulcers

0:15:40yeah I don't mind a warm seltzer yeah I

0:15:44don't know one of my favorite things

0:15:45I've got you've been here I

0:15:46got a cosco dorm fridge right I've got

0:15:50our old microwave and I've got a

0:15:53Cuisinart hotpot water boiler for for

0:15:58making hot beverages

0:16:00well what's nice about your offices and

0:16:03you got the private bathroom and always

0:16:05just steps away

0:16:06yes away and and that's great and you

0:16:09know you could actually you know if you

0:16:11and the wife had a disagreement you go

0:16:12down and live in your office for don't

0:16:14think I haven't thought about it and and

0:16:16here I mean I sleep I take naps here of

0:16:19course but i do it just stretched out on

0:16:21the floor with it because the couch is

0:16:23too small to sleep alone

0:16:25yeah i got a sleeping bag and pillow i

0:16:26pull out a couple times a month and I'm

0:16:28worried that when on the very rare

0:16:29occasion my landlord was really great

0:16:31when he comes here I I worried that he

0:16:34thinks there's something kind of weird

0:16:35going on here huh

0:16:36it's a live-work space yeah you know I

0:16:38feel guilty worried about everything but

0:16:40like yeah exactly that maybe maybe I'm

0:16:43like stretching the stretching the code

0:16:44a little bit so you've got a big shelf

0:16:46unit that has a bunch of dolls on it

0:16:49Supergirl and super boy and girl boy and

0:16:53and dynamite win the Great DC villain

0:16:56girl boy and and whatever like bat that

0:17:00person and and green green person person

0:17:03that big boob girl big girl with the

0:17:07black eyes bigger bigger boobs girl on

0:17:10my shelf let's see what i have i have a

0:17:12have a piano i have a second piano what

0:17:16well I mean like electric pianos look at

0:17:20rhodes I i have a Wurlitzer and roads

0:17:23and then I have a juno 106 and then I've

0:17:26got a very big creative kazoos and also

0:17:30this old long winters come and winters

0:17:32kazoos we we bought you know 10,000 of

0:17:36those and we sold a lot of them but we

0:17:38still have a lot of them and I've got

0:17:41some oh I don't want to say kind of what

0:17:44I've got because people are going to

0:17:45start hassling me but I've got some long

0:17:47winners by know some John Roderick books

0:17:51some old t-shirts vintage long winters

0:17:53t-shirts including a couple of girl

0:17:57baseball sleeve snowblower t-shirts

0:18:01wow this is all classics and and i'm

0:18:04just imagining you have any of your you

0:18:07know

0:18:07Roderick campaign materials there I've

0:18:09got some robber campaign materials

0:18:11anybody's interested in moans that's

0:18:12quite a living museum you got there it

0:18:14is i was including a giant banner a huge

0:18:17huge Roderick Roderick band is unfurled

0:18:19uh-huh

0:18:20not on 400 i could put it on the wall

0:18:22but I wouldn't still a little soon soon

0:18:25too soon and then I've got various and

0:18:29sundry things that I found in the free

0:18:31pile that I was like I'm yeah what the

0:18:35hell that that's a cool box i did that

0:18:38some of the fun things down the street

0:18:39now there's nothing to worry about with

0:18:40the landlord says I'll find things on

0:18:41the street and I just pick it up for no

0:18:43reason to bring it like I've gotta get a

0:18:45pallet yeah i don't know why i have a

0:18:47palette but I thought maybe somebody

0:18:48that could use that for something

0:18:50well sure after the apocalypse you break

0:18:51it up and we'll make a campfire you can

0:18:53make a campfire very very tiny house

0:18:55oh you can make a tiny house that's

0:18:56right for uh for the girl boy to live in

0:18:59your boy and green green boil it and

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0:21:08i'm such a poor housekeeper that even

0:21:11now I all of your stuff including the

0:21:14coffee cup used all still in exactly the

0:21:16same place I haven't moved it

0:21:17oh really oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I is a

0:21:21giant is a giant pile of Marvel dolls on

0:21:24the floor that you that you have

0:21:25examined in described me that well yeah

0:21:28I could tell i could tell that it wasn't

0:21:31you hadn't recently swept through there

0:21:34with a big cleaning

0:21:36well this is the problem with my

0:21:37questions it said we should give

0:21:38accurate i guess but but you know I it

0:21:41seems like you have a very particular

0:21:43feeling about your space at home and you

0:21:46have your collections and you've got

0:21:47things set up a certain way so does that

0:21:50same philosophy apply at your office

0:21:53because I mostly just clean up

0:21:54occasionally move stuff around and

0:21:55fillmore bankers boxes it's pretty

0:21:57utilitarian let me say that the state of

0:22:02my house currently is embarrassing

0:22:07no I say that John Robert why would you

0:22:10say such a thing

0:22:11well because somewhere along the line in

0:22:14october i just started to let it all go

0:22:20to hell

0:22:21I and i put it back together I think

0:22:23once in late October did a big clean put

0:22:26everything back together but it was it

0:22:28was it wasn't that the house itself was

0:22:32teetering but it was that I was

0:22:33teetering and then in November I let it

0:22:36go again when it also this point you're

0:22:38still dealing with the election

0:22:40well I'm you know I'm i have processed

0:22:43it but i'm looking into the future I'm

0:22:45like what's gonna happen until I got an

0:22:47October when was the one did your part

0:22:50in the race and beginning of august so i

0:22:52can open that long

0:22:54yeah gosh i know that saying the City

0:22:59Council the seattle city council has

0:23:01been seeded the election is completely

0:23:05over and they've all taken their jobs

0:23:07and won't be the same without you

0:23:08well it's true it's true but there you

0:23:10know the Seattle Seattle just didn't

0:23:12share my vision yet yet

0:23:15that's right anyway I let it go in

0:23:18november and then I went away for a

0:23:19month and a half on tour tourists

0:23:22tourists kind of things and now walking

0:23:25into my house that you'll be greeted by

0:23:28just utter chaos chaos in every

0:23:31direction including I took apart my I

0:23:34talk about my bed in order to replace it

0:23:37with my Casper bed and that whole

0:23:40process because i'm sleeping now on the

0:23:42Casper bed that I put in the guest room

0:23:45right so i emigrated to the guest room

0:23:48and in the whole time I've lived in the

0:23:49house I'd ever I never lived in the

0:23:50guest room

0:23:51it's the guest room I said says it right

0:23:53on it but another one that Kevin the

0:23:55back by the stairs there's stairs okay

0:23:57now I'm living in the guest room and my

0:23:59bedroom like the sleigh bed is all

0:24:01dismantled but hasn't been moved

0:24:04there's an extra couch upstairs that

0:24:06doesn't belong there that never should

0:24:08have gone there it was hard to get there

0:24:10and now it has to get out of there are

0:24:12you singing my song ah yeah and there's

0:24:15a desk up there that doesn't belong

0:24:17there

0:24:18there's a there's a there's a new Casper

0:24:20reality just waiting to be implemented

0:24:24and then downstairs

0:24:27oh there's another desk that doesn't

0:24:28belong there there's some furniture that

0:24:31I just there's some furniture i found in

0:24:32the barn that needs to go

0:24:35i'm wearing my couch out and on top of

0:24:38it all is a thousand unread New Yorker

0:24:41magazines all that stuff I got back from

0:24:44the burglary that i decided i needed to

0:24:46sort again

0:24:48oh sure it's got to find a new place in

0:24:50there in your new new reality right but

0:24:51that's all half sorted and then there's

0:24:54a layer of like a layer of books and

0:24:58novels and stuff that's all on top of

0:25:00that and then there's a layer of just

0:25:04wall over everything

0:25:06sure and so a every time I walk into my

0:25:09house now I'm I'm overwhelmed by the the

0:25:14daunting scale of just what needs to be

0:25:18done and so I'm becoming someone who's

0:25:21just walking through the clearing on the

0:25:24way and there are a lot of like i said i

0:25:26started doing my Bobby's and projects in

0:25:28the kitchen because there wasn't any

0:25:29space anywhere and how the kitchen

0:25:31counters are all covered with boxes is

0:25:33this is so similar so similar to what

0:25:35we're dealing with at home right now

0:25:37where there's been this perfect storm is

0:25:39an overused phrase but there's been a

0:25:41confluence of several things that have

0:25:43happened including that my wife works

0:25:46full-time now I'm you know not super

0:25:48busy but I'm doing more than I was like

0:25:50six months ago

0:25:51christmas comes along so all kinds of

0:25:55new things come in the house because of

0:25:56christmas and also my daughter I am on

0:26:01the one hand very proud to say has

0:26:03gotten really into will just say arts

0:26:06and crafts she's very but feel like

0:26:08drawing you know painting that kind of

0:26:10stuff that's bad enough but she's also

0:26:11does things with beads and just all of

0:26:14these little projects there's lego

0:26:15everywhere and my problem is like I hear

0:26:19you because I feel like I come in the

0:26:20house and it's a little depressing

0:26:21partly because it's like a tile puzzle

0:26:25we're like if I if half of this stuff

0:26:27was just gone

0:26:29I would be able to clean the place up

0:26:30right you can't really properly if you

0:26:32got two deaths you don't need your house

0:26:33like you got a bigger problem

0:26:35yes you need a holler you need you need

0:26:37somebody to come in with the big claw

0:26:38and like actually take some giant things

0:26:40out to make more room in the tile puzzle

0:26:42that's exactly right and then on top of

0:26:44it like one of the big problems and

0:26:46I and I'm embarrassed to say this but

0:26:49one of the big problems

0:26:51honestly is that I have too many blazers

0:26:52in the last that seems like something

0:26:57you could collect and organize but but

0:27:01there's only so much closet space in any

0:27:03one place and I just I just really found

0:27:09a lot of good blazers in the last couple

0:27:11of years and and I didn't say no to any

0:27:15of them the good ones because they were

0:27:17only eight dollars and they were lovely

0:27:19but now i have so many Blazers that I

0:27:23just don't have the closet space for

0:27:25them but I take them out and I arrange

0:27:26them you know I spread them out and look

0:27:29at them and say which of these plays can

0:27:30I get rid of alcohol i need the orange

0:27:33linen 1i need the green felt one and I

0:27:37need the blue tweet whether i need that

0:27:40other tweet one and then pretty soon I'm

0:27:42like in that headspace where it's like

0:27:44well what if i get asked to a2 an orange

0:27:46tweed party

0:27:47yeah right you're gonna find that twice

0:27:49yeah right so then and that's part of

0:27:52part of like the looming ebay store that

0:27:54i'm going to launch is going to be a

0:27:55player up like a pipeline for all this

0:27:57stuff to go out into the world and I'm

0:28:00just hoping the problem is when we when

0:28:02we did our show our live show the other

0:28:03day i was looking at the audience and I

0:28:05was saying how many of these people are

0:28:0744 and 46 Long's right because that's

0:28:11the that's the market for pretty much

0:28:14everything I own

0:28:16I'm gonna put a bunch of Blazers up

0:28:17online but if you're not a 44 long or 46

0:28:20long or 42 long list says there can't be

0:28:22that many people who buy it just to have

0:28:25you know a creepy piece of John's past

0:28:27yeah people are going to put it on the

0:28:28wall like a kimono now man can imagine

0:28:30that said a tweed jacket up up on the

0:28:34wall in a big giant frame in the John

0:28:36room

0:28:37um so no I expect that these will be

0:28:40practical items for people but there

0:28:42it's gonna be a limited number of people

0:28:44if you are if you're 56 these things are

0:28:47going to be its there's not really going

0:28:50to be anything I'll be pretty cute girl

0:28:53like a girl 56 of the pixie cut where

0:28:54246 long and pretty cute how with the

0:28:57belt

0:28:58love you like a ribbon belt exactly and

0:29:00rolled up sleeves i mean i could see it

0:29:02I can't do I actually that's pretty cute

0:29:05is super cute but yeah just move the

0:29:08buttons right just move the buttons over

0:29:10and to make it into a double-breasted

0:29:12jacket with Johnny I got it is believed

0:29:14that it would look like come on now I

0:29:17mhm

0:29:19I i think i've talked about this before

0:29:20but like there's something I do every

0:29:21depending on where it is what it is

0:29:23every year two or three which is called

0:29:26the hauling guy and the thing is this is

0:29:30not this is the final part of the

0:29:32problem but getting to that part is

0:29:34difficult so basically there's these

0:29:36places you can call and I don't like

0:29:38doing this I feel weird about it I don't

0:29:40think it's super environmentally sound

0:29:42but my environment needs to be made more

0:29:44sound by doing this which is i will just

0:29:46get a and I don't know this for you but

0:29:49it's time to think about you get some

0:29:51contractor bags like a bunch of

0:29:53contractor bags and just just start

0:29:55feeling feeling feeling feeling feeling

0:29:56them up and the amazing part is like I

0:29:59go through so much anxiety with that

0:30:01where it's like a I don't want to miss

0:30:03out i don't want to deal with this I

0:30:04don't want this stuff going to dump I

0:30:05feel terrible about all of this but the

0:30:07amazing part is in my case a few months

0:30:08ago I did this from my office and this

0:30:10guy like five guys and a big pickup

0:30:13truck show up and honestly it was about

0:30:1418 minutes from my life is virtually

0:30:18unlivable in this office to like a new

0:30:20start and it's it is one of those like

0:30:24talk about a weight off your shoulders

0:30:25again I'm not saying it's the greatest

0:30:27thing environmentally but like what you

0:30:29gonna do you gonna be your own personal

0:30:30garbage dump for the rest your life own

0:30:32personal garbage dome but just if you

0:30:37could just get the the desks out that

0:30:41would be a start you have some kids come

0:30:42and carry your desks out that would be a

0:30:43huge start

0:30:44you can also do something like a task

0:30:46rabbit you can have somebody coming make

0:30:47a bed for you that's probably a few

0:30:48uh-huh but I'm just saying you might

0:30:50need to outsource some of this hey kids

0:30:51get these desks out of here you can find

0:30:53some merchants in the neighborhood

0:30:55well and so the thing is like I'm

0:30:57starting to look at my candlestick

0:30:58collection with with the different I

0:31:00with it with a little bit of a jaundiced

0:31:01eye

0:31:02yeah i'm saying i got too many

0:31:03candlesticks I really don't i don't need

0:31:05these and that's something i could put

0:31:07on my ebay store and someone of any size

0:31:09could buy

0:31:10you need in some ways your barn is

0:31:12probably not up to it you wouldn't want

0:31:14to be your office

0:31:15I don't think anybody else in your life

0:31:16would allow it you need a third place a

0:31:19storage shed not great because nobody

0:31:20ever open the storage shed after nobody

0:31:22over just becomes this place where

0:31:23spiders live

0:31:24that's it becomes the place where

0:31:26spiders move into your stuff yeah right

0:31:28but you kind of need you need you know

0:31:29you almost could get one of those

0:31:31storage that you can have those like it

0:31:33the way they move now you can have a big

0:31:35storage container you put your stuff in

0:31:36and they ship that out to a place and

0:31:38you almost could use a storage container

0:31:39somewhere on your property from month it

0:31:43is a thing what I really want and need

0:31:45is a basement like I'm a basement

0:31:48dweller truly amazed i learned that

0:31:50about myself there are people who like

0:31:52to live in an upstairs environment i am

0:31:54at late at night I want to be in a

0:31:56basement

0:31:57yeah and if I'm in a basement then it

0:32:00then it feels it feels appropriate that

0:32:02I be surrounded by crazy projects and

0:32:05it's all down in daddy's basement and

0:32:08can be closed the door and just the

0:32:10insanity happens down there you can play

0:32:11the guitar you can you can build a train

0:32:14set you can do whatever lunatic thing

0:32:17that you want to do but my house doesn't

0:32:19have a basement it's just one of those

0:32:21houses that was built up built on the

0:32:24ground for all intensive purposes and

0:32:27it's the one thing that i rue is that I

0:32:32don't have a basement and you know I

0:32:33could dig out under the house and build

0:32:35a basement but what a project

0:32:38oh come on no vault oh no that would be

0:32:42too much with the last place that I

0:32:43lived in Tallahassee and Tallahassee is

0:32:47not so much of a basement kind of place

0:32:49in seattle basement play so there are a

0:32:51lot of basements there I depends but no

0:32:54I mean yes but no it's not it's not a

0:32:58massive there are basements but it's not

0:33:01like you know the you know mid-atlantic

0:33:03or the Midwest were like you just get a

0:33:05basement the size of your house with

0:33:07your house

0:33:07no it's I mean they're they're plenty of

0:33:10houses here have basements plenty don't

0:33:12I mean in Anchorage a lot of houses that

0:33:16don't have basements they're just you

0:33:17know they just throw some boards on the

0:33:20ground and start building a house

0:33:21in Tallahassee i would imagine that

0:33:23you'd have alligators down there right

0:33:25away yeah because of the sea level

0:33:26situation it's not as bad as Miami but

0:33:28like the last house I lived in which

0:33:30seemed probably expensive at seven

0:33:32hundred fifty dollars a month had an

0:33:35entire it wasn't actually technically it

0:33:37wasn't part of the house that we were

0:33:39renting so like we weren't supposed to

0:33:40use it but except to do like laundry but

0:33:43oh my god it had an entire you don't

0:33:45talk about where you've got a basement

0:33:46that's almost the size of your house and

0:33:48it's in it's the footprint of your house

0:33:50and it was it was finished so that it

0:33:51could be like a nice in law

0:33:54oh yeah and it had like a full bathroom

0:33:56and had a whole separate area like

0:33:59utility area for storage and and laundry

0:34:03oh you're giving me a chubby I know what

0:34:06if you live in a Seattle San Francisco

0:34:08New in Manhattan like you know like oh

0:34:10my god what a dream that that would be

0:34:11to have your own dedicated Eric area for

0:34:14stuff that like wasn't the the living

0:34:16right now stuff that you could go down

0:34:18to play guitar

0:34:18oh my god what a dream you remember the

0:34:20split-level house did you ever live in a

0:34:21split-level uh I think I know what that

0:34:25means we're looking like a sunken living

0:34:26room in a ranch-style house

0:34:28no no no level with that were they both

0:34:30the parents have their own area while

0:34:31you walk in the front door

0:34:33let's split plan split split split plan

0:34:37split plan what plan is a very popular

0:34:42kind of design way but plans but plan so

0:34:44you got you got a middle area of the

0:34:45house

0:34:46we've got all the common rooms way over

0:34:48in this other side of the house you've

0:34:49got two or three bedrooms for dumb kids

0:34:51and then and then there's this wing over

0:34:53here we go down a hallway and you enter

0:34:55into this zone with a separate door for

0:34:58like your entire grown-up master living

0:35:00area so I like a separate zone right and

0:35:02she got a giant bc go into a door and

0:35:04you've got your giant giant closet maybe

0:35:06two closets you got a big bathroom and

0:35:09you got your big master bedroom maid

0:35:12with a sliding door in a wet bar that's

0:35:14a fantastic sounding thing but a

0:35:17split-level house sorry is one where you

0:35:21walk in the front door and you are

0:35:23immediately greeted by a choice

0:35:25upstairs or downstairs like the stairs

0:35:29sure the entryway is basically you're on

0:35:33a landing between

0:35:35going up and going down I totally know

0:35:37what you mean it's not exactly a

0:35:38townhouse it's kind of a classic like

0:35:40big city philadelphia is kind of place

0:35:42where you get this area the zone a

0:35:44common zone you come into we're like

0:35:45okay will you go down to the sleeping

0:35:48and hang out or like up to the kitchen

0:35:49in family area

0:35:52yes but no no this is a suburban house

0:35:55which is which is wider than it is deep

0:35:59so its wide it's it's it's it's built on

0:36:03the it's built on the the with when you

0:36:07look at it from the front there's always

0:36:09a there's always kind of a two-car

0:36:10garage and then the the Duke the front

0:36:13door is sets not in the very middle of

0:36:16the the face but sort of you know skewed

0:36:19over two-thirds front door is two-thirds

0:36:21in you know a classic proportion

0:36:25yeah sure you walk in and you either go

0:36:28upstairs to a big open plan living room

0:36:32and then there's a little dining room in

0:36:35the back and then a kind of long kitchen

0:36:37and then down the hall from the living

0:36:42room back over the two-car garage are

0:36:44like three to four bedrooms

0:36:46let's say three bedrooms ickk

0:36:50not-not-not brady bunch but like I kind

0:36:51of classic there's it's got a little

0:36:53pop-up yep now you're getting it

0:36:55okay get it sort of Brady Bunch was it

0:36:57was a very cool modern architectural the

0:37:01cool one example of this but it would

0:37:04have been in a neighborhood of these and

0:37:06then if you go downstairs there's a a

0:37:09big wreck room and probably another

0:37:13bathroom the laundry room and another

0:37:16bedroom and that is the fat that bottom

0:37:23bedroom is the 1i think that you put

0:37:26your teenager in or you're mother right

0:37:30it's the it's the one that's like it's

0:37:34not it's not part of you you can have

0:37:37the whole top floor be your house where

0:37:40everybody's living and hanging out but

0:37:41and that bottom big rec room can be your

0:37:43TV room then there's a back

0:37:46droom yeah and that's where first time

0:37:48where we kind of mutually agree we want

0:37:50that personal space

0:37:51yeah you go there there's a skill your

0:37:53own bathroom

0:37:54bottom floor of the split-level house

0:37:56pal and I lived in a split-level house

0:38:00right as I was transitioning into being

0:38:03a teenager and I couldn't have been

0:38:05happier that was circa ozzy osbourne's

0:38:10blizzard of Oz whoo-hoo

0:38:12and I I worked out a situation I i

0:38:15designed a system where I could sit in

0:38:17bed and I had a string that I could pull

0:38:21that went up to an eyebolt above my bed

0:38:25and then the string went across the

0:38:27ceiling to an eyebolt on the far side of

0:38:30the room and then down to the not for to

0:38:35the pullout knob that turned on my TV my

0:38:39goodness and my TV was you know like a

0:38:42little R it was red plastic TV there was

0:38:49a seriously about the size of one of

0:38:51these amazon boxes like a portable TV a

0:38:54portable TV that's right and so I could

0:38:56pull this I could pull out this the on

0:38:59button and course we only had three

0:39:03channels plus PBS

0:39:07yep and I would pull out i would pull

0:39:11the TV on and watch mel's diner and then

0:39:15I had a I had another rope another piece

0:39:20of string went up and turned on the

0:39:22light

0:39:23I have this whole system and in my

0:39:26bathroom i had a jar of Lipton's instant

0:39:29iced tea which I drank like 5 tall

0:39:35glasses of a day

0:39:36me too not realizing that it was full of

0:39:39caffeine i would take a pitch I would

0:39:41watch Carol Burnett and drink an entire

0:39:42picture that by myself wasn't that

0:39:43incredible stuff that Lipton's tea we

0:39:46would get the the Nestea and I was not

0:39:48easy all you do is add water and a

0:39:50picture with ice cubes and then you just

0:39:51you just drinking sugary tea for our

0:39:53trick and sugar tea i loved it i still

0:39:56have a jar of it in my pantry with

0:39:59I never touch i just have it there i

0:40:02have it in the pantry just to look at it

0:40:04and go like huh yep because i drank so

0:40:07much about me too and I was so happy you

0:40:12could make it there right in your room

0:40:13can make it in the room so so I had my

0:40:15own corner of the house and I had it

0:40:17rigged up exactly how I wanted it I

0:40:20there was a little desk where I could

0:40:22build my model of the USS Enterprise

0:40:24then I do not mean the fucking spaceship

0:40:27I mean the aircraft carrier ok and a boy

0:40:33will when people to think you're no no I

0:40:37was building the aircraft carrier

0:40:38actually which is cool and not the

0:40:41starship enterprise which was also

0:40:45instrumental Starship Enterprise you

0:40:46wouldn't have said USS enterprise would

0:40:47have said starship that's right i

0:40:50remember in 1900 this have been you know

0:40:558081 I remember building a model of a

0:40:59b-52 bomber because in 1981 during the

0:41:05Reagan administration the b-52 bomber

0:41:08was slated to be retired and I and I was

0:41:13working hard on this model because i

0:41:16wanted to finish it before the b-52 was

0:41:19taken out of service and for those of

0:41:22you listening at home you know that the

0:41:24b-52 is still in service

0:41:27wow so I was in a big hurry in anyone to

0:41:30get this thing done because it was going

0:41:32to be replaced with the new the new b-1

0:41:35bomber brand-new b-1 bomber Reagan

0:41:38administration was going to build a

0:41:39thousand of these of course right there

0:41:42was a big deal

0:41:43yeah and then it got it wasn't a good

0:41:45bomber and it and it didn't it got

0:41:47canceled but not cancelled that they

0:41:50built like you know however many of them

0:41:52and then they decided well we'll keep

0:41:54these b---fifty twos around i think the

0:41:56b1 bombers are still flying to the ones

0:41:59that we build our still fly anyway

0:42:02that's a little bit of an aside but not

0:42:06that this show ever has an aside

0:42:08god forbid but yeah the split-level

0:42:11house I it wasn't actually a basement

0:42:15you wouldn't call it a basement you

0:42:17would call it even though it was

0:42:19slightly subterranean right it was it

0:42:22was three feet of it was underground but

0:42:25a net but i miss that i miss that

0:42:28separate area

0:42:29I don't have that in my house i need a

0:42:32separate area

0:42:34oh my god be so nice and it's like no

0:42:36grown-up dads get again

0:42:38yeah again like like like the great mike

0:42:40brady the architect you know he had his

0:42:41den and he went in there to do is work

0:42:43at his table and you're supposed to bug

0:42:45him

0:42:46hmm you know that was dad's area you

0:42:48don't bug dad when he's in his den i

0:42:50think it's something else is fine so

0:42:51funny your pinpoint exactly a time in my

0:42:54life when I was very much the same way

0:42:55where I can I was always just trying to

0:42:57find a new Enclave and for some kids

0:43:00maybe that was a treehouse but for me

0:43:01that would be like I decided to one day

0:43:04like set up a second room for myself in

0:43:07our third bedroom we have a very small

0:43:09house but it was three bedrooms in this

0:43:10very small house and there was this one

0:43:12kind of junk room that had an old single

0:43:14bed in it but that's why would hang up

0:43:15the pictures of Charlie's Angels that I

0:43:17cut out of magazines and I had a

0:43:18separate radio in there when you were

0:43:21allowed or you felt empowered enough to

0:43:24just publicly hang up your Charlie's

0:43:26Angels posters

0:43:27yeah my mom worked a lot i was a

0:43:29latchkey kid so I could inhabit this

0:43:31room that's why I kept my copy of Emily

0:43:33Post's etiquette how all my almanacs I

0:43:36used Miss Manners myself

0:43:38yeah let Amy Vanderbilt and Emily Post

0:43:42didn't you ever read that i would read

0:43:43that a couple times a week you didn't

0:43:45read the Miss Manners book that first

0:43:47Miss Manners book had so many manners in

0:43:50it and she was a very funny writer she's

0:43:55she's underrated she's a very funny

0:43:56writer and she's funny writer and she

0:43:58she gave great advice and so my two

0:44:02books where Miss Manners guide to was

0:44:05this man's guide to something

0:44:07exquisitely correct behavior that's

0:44:09right that's right a for the first one

0:44:11and then the preppy handbook i love that

0:44:14Lisa Birnbaum yeah and I would pour over

0:44:17those two books and love the preppy

0:44:19handbook try to figure out exactly what

0:44:21the behavior was exactly what balance i

0:44:24was going to strike between this

0:44:26behavior the the polite and accepted

0:44:28behavior and the completely

0:44:31inappropriate behavior that was going to

0:44:32balance it out the program book was not

0:44:35precisely like an on the nose parody but

0:44:38i think it was fairly tongue-in-cheek

0:44:39but I didn't really treat it that way

0:44:41now I didn't even understand that it was

0:44:43meant as a joke until later right when

0:44:46somebody when i first learned that the

0:44:48preppy handbook was was a pair was like

0:44:52a was ironic i was a little bit taken

0:44:56aback and I played it off right the

0:44:58person was like all that looks hilarious

0:44:59and I said huh

0:45:03and they're like yeah that's like saying

0:45:04like it's um it's mocking perhaps and I

0:45:08was like oh haha yeah yeah of course

0:45:11yeah right my mocking brand that I kind

0:45:14of like walked away and I was like

0:45:15marketing perhaps I think you're

0:45:17describing something a lot of people too

0:45:18so I had that room I had a one-point we

0:45:20moved into a different place we had a

0:45:22well move to florida we had an addict

0:45:25with pull down stairs we had pulled on

0:45:29stereo really oh yes so that all of our

0:45:31christmas stuff all of our old stuff was

0:45:33up there but like at a certain point we

0:45:35really at that same time as a little

0:45:36older than you but not 1981 i started

0:45:39spending a lot of my time in the Attic

0:45:42that's so cool down the stairs i would

0:45:44get you pulled that you put on this door

0:45:45you know talk about right now oh yeah

0:45:47Cyril come out to your house and install

0:45:48this and so it was amazing and so this

0:45:51creaky door would come down you pull

0:45:53down these steps and then you could go

0:45:55up into the attic and I had made a space

0:45:57where I covered up some of the

0:45:58installation the beams again i move my

0:46:00books up there have a radio up there is

0:46:02some drinks up there probably not the

0:46:04most hygienic thing but like the same

0:46:06same pattern i would go up there and

0:46:07like inhabit the life that I wanted to

0:46:09have up there i would get a gentleman up

0:46:11there

0:46:11yep i have my own one-man teenage

0:46:14gentlemen's club now you've heard

0:46:16Hodgman described his house having you

0:46:19uh probably his parents his parents

0:46:22lived in a gigantic East Coast central

0:46:28Boston like one of those it's it's like

0:46:32it's like a brownstone but it was in

0:46:34enormous like to remember this he had a

0:46:36he gave him accommodations didn't they

0:46:38and he had his own apartment he had two

0:46:40rooms a bathroom and he was he was an

0:46:45only child and and very autonomous and

0:46:48he set it up even with like firms and

0:46:51huh

0:46:52he had a TV area with couches he had his

0:46:56I mean it was basically his own grown-up

0:46:58what he imagined to be his own grown-up

0:47:00a living space with the campus house

0:47:02would look like like like the cavity

0:47:04yeah exactly and then the then this now

0:47:06this house had room for borders who had

0:47:10their own apartments so like a dream I

0:47:15know can you imagine all right Merlin

0:47:18i'm i'm going to make a second cup of

0:47:20coffee here

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0:50:20well I mean yeah but this feels this you

0:50:23know skills a little bit and there are

0:50:26neither fish nor fowl is the show I mean

0:50:28I was gonna I was gonna be I was gonna

0:50:30give you a play-by-play on the phone

0:50:32when you can you can drop while you're

0:50:33making coffee to hear that nearly don't

0:50:39leave it all innocent ya know that

0:50:41sounds amazing i want one no and I want

0:50:45to pee

0:50:46I know that's my coffee being made in my

0:50:49own in my own mug now who how many

0:50:51people can say that I mean I guess

0:50:53anybody that works in an auto supply

0:50:55place

0:50:56yeah i mean i guess a lot of people have

0:50:58money

0:50:58eggs with their own business on them but

0:51:00not with their face on them now

0:51:02Oh what no disgusting what flavor you

0:51:05doing well so so with the Cure egg came

0:51:11like a sample pack

0:51:14uh-huh right sample pack of all the

0:51:16different flavors that you might want

0:51:18coffee

0:51:20yeah that's kind of what we got was kind

0:51:22of a strange collection get the fake

0:51:24dunkin donuts

0:51:25yeah you gotta like donut shop no at the

0:51:27donut shop donut shop here's what i got

0:51:32English breakfast tea which I don't want

0:51:34chai latte I don't want that

0:51:36nope hazelnut flavored something I do

0:51:38not want that eight o'clock the original

0:51:41medium roast coffee i'll probably use

0:51:43that

0:51:43yeah swissmiss hot cocoa unlikely but

0:51:46maybe my kid will be here sometime and

0:51:50then these various things Breakfast

0:51:51Blend caribou blend starbucks starbucks

0:51:56dark Sumatra's all you need

0:51:58yeah that's a pretty good so and then so

0:52:02what so I didn't know what to do and so

0:52:05my mom went on the internet which is I

0:52:08mean she is that she is the 81 year old

0:52:10lady that loves the internet and and she

0:52:14bought me and like 80 of these from

0:52:18costco or no I'm sorry from office depot

0:52:21and they're all starbucks brand so i

0:52:27have to have coffee for days

0:52:28yeah and maybe one day I'll want a chai

0:52:30latte

0:52:32yeah it's worth a try ok so now i've got

0:52:35this cup of coffee it's it's very full

0:52:37because I got the long pole for sitting

0:52:39back down I've got my my to creamers

0:52:42that don't spoil and dad you make it

0:52:44dark you use the option to make it dark

0:52:46i prefer dark

0:52:48do you know the dingus to make it dark

0:52:50what's the dingus on China remember we

0:52:52have any stars in months because it's

0:52:54broken but uh what

0:52:57when you're on the screen and the

0:52:58interfaces think sucks but remember

0:53:00there's a section like once you drop the

0:53:02thing is like I yo you ready to bake off

0:53:03it now

0:53:04oh no mine doesn't have a screen no

0:53:06screen no mine is just a simple one that

0:53:08just is like it just has buttons and I

0:53:11was like three buttons

0:53:12do you want this no man that's

0:53:13attractive prices really never says you

0:53:16know we have a pretty small kitchen it's

0:53:17a big footprint like if you commit to

0:53:19this thing you're not gonna have other

0:53:21things around 10 this thing is just the

0:53:23size of a normal coffee maker is that

0:53:25right yeah it's just a little bit's just

0:53:27bigots and splits the size of a rugby

0:53:28ball if a rugby ball was shaped like a

0:53:32coffee maker like a coffee maker or like

0:53:34the matador for a port au port

0:53:39ok all right ok it's a rugby ball sized

0:53:43matador alright okay now this coffee

0:53:47looks good is it all this office pro

0:53:49might be an office pro I my eyelids this

0:53:52is a professional office that's a much

0:53:53smaller footprint

0:53:54yeah and i think and i hope that it

0:53:57breaks less easily argue it gets clogged

0:54:01it gets clogged it doesn't work you end

0:54:03up wasting those very expensive little

0:54:05buckets because it didn't run right yeah

0:54:07and so there's been lots of advice

0:54:08people on how to clean it we've cleaned

0:54:10it i think ours is defective and it's

0:54:12super disappointing cause it was pretty

0:54:13expensive

0:54:14yeah that sucks now what you used to be

0:54:16an advocate of the fizzy water maker

0:54:19yeah i still i select fizzy water mario

0:54:21maker i i i i got my problem is this is

0:54:23how my brain works like i'll be up to

0:54:26date and buying lots of those canisters

0:54:27the canisters are not inexpensive know

0:54:29i'm a big go to go through you do but it

0:54:32is in the end way less expensive than

0:54:35cans way less expensive and less

0:54:38wasteful but it's a lot of effort you

0:54:40gotta I drink a lot of sorts you do i do

0:54:44I mean I get at least over 12 pack of

0:54:46cells for a day

0:54:46now you used to drink coke right or

0:54:48something when I was a youngster I drink

0:54:50in the days of my attic days I would

0:54:52drink a lot of coke if you see the photo

0:54:54i sent you guys I found and sent you a

0:54:55photo of the Nestea that I remember from

0:54:58childhood with that green label

0:55:01oh that's exactly the Nestea with the

0:55:03green stripe ecap alburnett and so yeah

0:55:06I used to drinking like way too much

0:55:08coke it's really weird I can't I just

0:55:10can't even drink it today I got a

0:55:11Mexican cook twice a year and I'm glue

0:55:13is just this is too much

0:55:15I don't you know the next seven st had

0:55:17even more sugar in it i'll betcha

0:55:19oh for sure that misty was I can't even

0:55:21believe how much you know it was the it

0:55:25was that

0:55:25really eighties and they still were

0:55:26feeding kids garbage

0:55:28yes like like tang and and nasty in a

0:55:36jar

0:55:37I was just terrible terrible stuff but

0:55:39it seemed like I had nobody thought for

0:55:42a second about providing me a

0:55:45twelve-year-old or 13 year old with as

0:55:49much tea as much sugar tea as I could

0:55:52consume oh no no no i mean there was way

0:55:55more background sugar like today my

0:55:57daughter loves candy she loves chocolate

0:56:00all things chocolate and she will eat

0:56:02all the chocolate that's not good

0:56:04I wish that were habit we have not

0:56:05started but i still think I'm my god i

0:56:07still feel like it's nothing like what

0:56:08we had as kids between things like

0:56:10breakfast cereals things like powdered

0:56:13drinks only put it this way until I was

0:56:16in probably college I actively disliked

0:56:19drinking a glass of water but I didn't

0:56:22want me to do

0:56:23nobody i knew drank water i was sooo

0:56:25much water it seemed like like something

0:56:28like something you were being cheated

0:56:30yeah it's weird would be like you know

0:56:31be like having a machine that dispenses

0:56:32mana or something you like white why you

0:56:34haven't why would you have that why

0:56:36don't you have something real

0:56:37why don't you drink water drink water

0:56:39that you have it on the side and a

0:56:40little glass at dinner maybe but like I

0:56:43drink I water is my primary thing that I

0:56:45drink now and yeah she never did never

0:56:47did but the background sugar in

0:56:49everything I mean we would we went

0:56:51shopping and my mom was a good mom she

0:56:53but like she would just buy stuff like

0:56:55hostess cakes your strategies things in

0:56:59the house you go to leave a salon do you

0:57:01take lunch you just like have a twinkie

0:57:03like like like that's a thing you I

0:57:05didn't know this is gonna be this is

0:57:07gonna sound weird to you right this is

0:57:08this was along the lines of the fact

0:57:10that I don't eat potatoes potatoes at

0:57:13all you know this about me

0:57:14do I i do not nor have I ever eaten

0:57:19potatoes in any form this is like

0:57:21finding out you're gay or not gay

0:57:22this is huge you you you you you just

0:57:26you reject them

0:57:27I reject potato

0:57:28now i will eat mashed potatoes on

0:57:30Thanksgiving that are that have gravy on

0:57:33them

0:57:34sure and if i'm sitting at a table and

0:57:36someone is lauding some fries which is

0:57:39something people do right there like

0:57:41these are great fries or these are awful

0:57:44fries people talk about their fries they

0:57:47do talk about their fries and if i'm

0:57:48sitting at a table and somebody's like

0:57:50all these fries are amazing these are

0:57:52best fries

0:57:54I'll reach over and try fri but

0:57:57otherwise I have never ordered a french

0:57:59fry

0:58:00I've never heed I do not like potato

0:58:02chips in any of any kind i don't like

0:58:05hashbrowns I don't like at any kind of

0:58:08potato you don't need home fries black

0:58:11look I will put little russet potatoes

0:58:16in a stew that I'm making or maybe like

0:58:18a corned beef hash

0:58:19no I don't need a corned beef hash I

0:58:22will eat corned beef all day but a

0:58:24corned beef hash I've never I've never

0:58:26had a corn beef hash

0:58:27oh my god this is I feel like I'm

0:58:29tripping I don't want any kind of one of

0:58:31those breakfasts where it's all jumbled

0:58:33together with potatoes are servants or

0:58:35lid i don't i don't want one that would

0:58:38cover with white sauce i do not want

0:58:40potatoes

0:58:41Sam I do not want them sam-i-am moon no

0:58:44potato and this is that I never wanted

0:58:45them even when I was a little kid you go

0:58:48to a kids party and they throw potato

0:58:50chips at you through a cannon and you're

0:58:53like no thank you i do not want them I

0:58:55want one of those things that's not

0:58:56candy its like noodles or rice it's one

0:58:58of those things you can mostly depend on

0:59:00most kids to want to eat

0:59:01yeah right you and and the thing is in

0:59:03the world they will they will shove

0:59:06potatoes at you

0:59:08I mean you may not even notice it but

0:59:11when you're someone who doesn't eat

0:59:12potatoes which I have to say I'm the

0:59:15only one I've ever met but potatoes are

0:59:19given to you as as may be your primary

0:59:21starch option about sixty percent of the

0:59:24time

0:59:24oh yeah and i don't like them so do you

0:59:28have can I don't take it for game but

0:59:30did you Tiki trace back to with you as

0:59:32long as you can remember you've not want

0:59:34to pay you've rejected potatoes as long

0:59:36as you can remember the first potato I

0:59:37ever had i didn't i didn't like and I

0:59:39never liked to subsequent

0:59:41never look back and what they seemed

0:59:43like to me was a kind of grainy Greece

0:59:46holder right it was like it was it's

0:59:50actually it's actually a greased

0:59:52delivery device and salt grease and salt

0:59:54delivery device where the underlying

0:59:57substance it

0:59:57substance it

1:00:00as a sort of grainy buck that tastes

1:00:04like ma kore tastes like dirt

1:00:06it's a dude tastes like dirt it has the

1:00:08consistency of dirt and it's slathered

1:00:11with grease and salt is super

1:00:13interesting to me and so and even if

1:00:15you're even if they're fried to a crisp

1:00:17you can still taste that grainy dirt and

1:00:21then that no matter how much salt and

1:00:23fat you put on him

1:00:24I still taste mud so I so I mean I was

1:00:30four years old I was like I don't want

1:00:32potatoes don't give me those

1:00:33and the thing is that most people if you

1:00:34don't want potatoes they just take your

1:00:36potatoes or I think what it is is

1:00:38everybody recognizes the potatoes are

1:00:40garbage food so if they put potatoes on

1:00:42your plate you don't eat them they just

1:00:43throw him away like nobody ever says why

1:00:46didn't Jeter potatoes because everybody

1:00:48realizes it's just garbage ah it's pre

1:00:51garbage cause I I now okay i was looking

1:00:54for a while but now you're just talking

1:00:55crazy words it's like pre compost

1:00:57Bruce's so here that this is all in

1:01:03prelude to what I was about to say which

1:01:06is that I don't like twinkies yeah I

1:01:09like ding-dongs the the ding-dongs more

1:01:12like guys at the cupcake 110 it's the

1:01:15ding dong is wrapped in foil it's the

1:01:17size and shape of a hockey puck and all

1:01:19dying dong

1:01:20yes it's chocolate on the outside and

1:01:23whatever that lardy sugar fat it's real

1:01:27it's real thing is those yes i remember

1:01:29is but it's just barely any of its

1:01:32constituent parts it's just barely

1:01:34chocolate it's just barely cake and it's

1:01:36just barely a filling thing

1:01:38the chocolate is is largely wax it's

1:01:40very waxing the cake is also wax and the

1:01:44filling is just long it's just

1:01:46óleo with sugar yeah and i love them i

1:01:50love ding dong and that here's the thing

1:01:52those hostess cakes on the East Coast

1:01:54have different names that on the west

1:01:56coast yet we could people say yeah exact

1:01:58go ahead

1:01:59well Twinkies are the same uh-huh but

1:02:01then there they have different names for

1:02:02all the other stuff right yeah yeah I

1:02:05think it's one of those best food

1:02:07ailments type situations em right we

1:02:09give a different name on the east and

1:02:11west coast right

1:02:12and my experience was that the Twinkie

1:02:14was the potato chips of of large cake so

1:02:19if you were if you were gonna have one

1:02:22kind of of kids sugar large cake it was

1:02:25going to be a Twinkie

1:02:26oh yes singers front of singers yes

1:02:29singers you don't see this advertised

1:02:31during a charlie brown specials and they

1:02:33were like a little cake with a funny

1:02:37kind of like it's a vanilla cake with a

1:02:39creamy topping on them kind of like a

1:02:43kind of like a frosting you got Twinkies

1:02:45got cupcakes get donuts

1:02:47I do remember the tiny donuts i enjoyed

1:02:49a tiny donut now know what was the what

1:02:52was the one that looks like a Yule Log

1:02:53oh yeah I know what you mean is that oh

1:02:56ho so ho yo ho it with the other hostess

1:03:01Ho we didn't I mean I don't in my mind

1:03:04I'm thinking oh yeah yeah-hoo-hoo you

1:03:06use a rolled-up thing

1:03:07yeah we didn't use to get hohos very

1:03:09often that was more about that seems

1:03:11like something special going home

1:03:13this is horrible but I think it's also

1:03:15my mom will get her hair done

1:03:17I'd go to pony keg next door and get a

1:03:20chocolate milk and a couple of us that

1:03:23started it was a normal thing

1:03:24chocolate milk and a couple holes i want

1:03:26that now or I'm sorry a couple of of the

1:03:31so but this was this was the problem at

1:03:33as as I got older the amount of wax

1:03:37oh yeah went up and the size and and

1:03:42moistness of the ding-dong went down

1:03:44hostess snowballs afraid of us know

1:03:46below I would never eat us

1:03:47no snowballs that's totally not my

1:03:48wheelhouse snowball seems like an old

1:03:51lady food

1:03:51yeah so so let me just say my childhood

1:03:57was was kind of book and did and

1:04:00characterized by the fact that on one

1:04:02end I would not eat potatoes and on the

1:04:04other end I didn't like twinkies

1:04:05problems just like what is this what i

1:04:07want what kind of kid is this people

1:04:09would say that to me kind of kid are you

1:04:12right right you don't like the two great

1:04:13kids foods it's like saying you don't

1:04:15watch TV

1:04:16it's one of those things that doesn't

1:04:17even register as having it something

1:04:19sensible to you like oh no i'd rather

1:04:20just read quietly let you watch TV like

1:04:22that that's weird kids would come to my

1:04:25house and

1:04:26and knock on the door and say mrs.

1:04:27Roderick can John come out and play and

1:04:31my mom would come into my room and say

1:04:32hey a you know Todd and and Tony are

1:04:36here and they want to they want you to

1:04:38go out and play and i would say no

1:04:40thanks

1:04:43hello Wow mom would go back and say I

1:04:45John's busy and maybe he'll come out and

1:04:48play later and they'd be like oh ok and

1:04:51then they go play and I would just be in

1:04:52my room

1:04:53eventually they stop knocking yeah right

1:04:55i'd be in there just doing doing what I

1:04:58was doing doing looking at the house now

1:05:00I'm remembering as I look at these

1:05:01horrible things I would always unroll

1:05:03mine that was part of my ritual you know

1:05:05for any kind of food you like to have a

1:05:06ritual

1:05:08well yeah but I've never heard of that

1:05:09unroll your home unroll your ho ho and

1:05:11their character for the whole was happy

1:05:13ho ho who is a cylindrical Robin Hood

1:05:16character who is quivering he's passing

1:05:18I think that's East Coast only happy ho

1:05:21ho you get this captain guy who is a

1:05:23cupcake you get wind of course you

1:05:24remember Twinkie the kid of course

1:05:26yeah like the cowboy twinky twinky but

1:05:29uh will you send me some pictures of

1:05:30these hoes in their native environment

1:05:33yeah you do a google search on hostess

1:05:35hello OIC so you're not gonna send me

1:05:37the most are you sure yeah I'm a search

1:05:39for them is it didn't it when i send you

1:05:42things in the robot you don't respond i

1:05:43don't know if you got something here you

1:05:45pausing because I think you're confused

1:05:46you heard a bleep noise

1:05:48yeah that happened look at all these

1:05:50there's dig'em see some of these some of

1:05:53these are either later packaging or they

1:05:55are not that's not canonical oh now i'm

1:05:58remembering King dawn was king don was

1:06:01the mascot of the of the of the

1:06:03ding-dong

1:06:04I don't looks like you a little bit he's

1:06:07got a crown and a scepter and a big

1:06:09white mustache

1:06:10maybe that's what i liked about his King

1:06:11Don King Don mm I know although i did

1:06:17just watch that movie the big short and

1:06:19the fact that Brad Pitt looked like

1:06:21Angry me all right through the whole

1:06:23thing I was like he'll it just looks

1:06:25like me when I'm depressed and angry I

1:06:27thought I guess that Bruce Vilanch on

1:06:28shark tank not long ago

1:06:29stop saying Bruce Vilanch i would say

1:06:32that in three years

1:06:33damn it nothing you know what that does

1:06:35that just sets a bunch of people off and

1:06:37they all start sending me pictures of

1:06:38Bruce

1:06:39so mad so mad so i'm not against the

1:06:45idea of the keurig right now at work i

1:06:47do so i got this cuisinart pot that I

1:06:48like because it's got six buttons on it

1:06:50for different temperatures and it goes

1:06:52from what 60 175 185 all the way up to

1:06:57boiling so if you want to have all you

1:07:00know the green tea

1:07:01you're not gonna like singe it nice well

1:07:03why doesn't it just have a AG radiated

1:07:05knob

1:07:06oh I don't know that that's that's like

1:07:08from another generation a knob yeah

1:07:11you're telling me that they've done away

1:07:13with the knob I guess they have one that

1:07:14bespoke buttons work pretty great and

1:07:16it's super fast i haven't seen a knob in

1:07:18a long time on a thing you should talk

1:07:20to John Serkis about this because this

1:07:21is what drives him crazy about the way

1:07:23the toasters work let's say about toes

1:07:25hehe wants a knob

1:07:26he wants a great haha you know what I'm

1:07:29not going to get into it he wants a lot

1:07:30of things about two strands I don't want

1:07:33a toaster oven we had a either as a

1:07:35judge probably black & decker we had a

1:07:36black & decker toaster knows what I'm

1:07:38talking about being 10 we had a black &

1:07:40decker toaster oven when I was a kid

1:07:41that was probably the greatest i've

1:07:43never made you could you could make

1:07:44great toast in it you could make

1:07:46stouffer's uh french bread pizza in it

1:07:49for good

1:07:50you know plans were cut let me tell you

1:07:52another thing you may not know about me

1:07:54ya never had a toaster oven this is just

1:07:57too much for one day except wait a

1:08:00minute so no no potatoes toaster oven

1:08:03no toaster oven we didn't have one in

1:08:05the house it was there's another thing

1:08:06there's another thing you're very famous

1:08:08about what was the more your mom's gonna

1:08:09make you eat them and you wouldn't eat

1:08:10it was you have another food that you're

1:08:13dead set against well olives olives

1:08:17don't need all of you will have a

1:08:18muffaletta who think about a muffaletta

1:08:22ok working i got it

1:08:23yeah it's crazy right yeah yeah yeah no

1:08:27idea but you know my mom made me sit in

1:08:29front of some bowls of peas a couple of

1:08:31times where I didn't eat the peas and

1:08:33she was like that's what you're gonna

1:08:34have for breakfast then and I called her

1:08:36Bluff and then I had peas for breakfast

1:08:37cold peas and then I called her Bluff on

1:08:40that I cold piece for lunch and then in

1:08:43a sense that i started to cry

1:08:44oh you're looking at be boarded well

1:08:46have been at dinner cold peas and then I

1:08:49really was crying

1:08:51oh sheet you she stuck with that yeah

1:08:54she finally I would have crumbled after

1:08:5510 minutes she stayed with it that long

1:08:57no cold p she moved her day around to

1:08:59make sure you got piece that's right

1:09:01cold peas in front of me until I choked

1:09:03those cold Pease down

1:09:05gagging like theatrically gagging with

1:09:08every spoon of Colby's with her just

1:09:10sitting there you know just placid faced

1:09:13like eat the peas

1:09:15oh my behind using or you get no food

1:09:19so that's it not there's no other food

1:09:20you're going to get into these pieces

1:09:22are done this is this is a this is a

1:09:24dependency you need to get done

1:09:25yeah yeah what I was finding was same

1:09:27peas right it's not it's not she's

1:09:30putting out new Colby's it is that these

1:09:32pieces were once hot and they cool down

1:09:34and they're not going to get hot again

1:09:35you're going to see this bowl of peas

1:09:38until they grow a skin on them

1:09:40do you feel like what she will do you

1:09:42have a sense of what she wanted to

1:09:44accomplish and do you think she

1:09:45accomplished it

1:09:46I feel like Michaels with those things

1:09:48is like I was just an ink passing i find

1:09:51myself sometimes doing that I realize

1:09:52I'm doing it more out of anger than

1:09:53parenting know when I do things more out

1:09:55of anger tired whatever frustration than

1:09:57I am out of actually trying to make a

1:09:58point that's what I'm like what the fuck

1:10:00am i doing because mainly what she's

1:10:01gonna remember is I was really super

1:10:03mean an irrational about food

1:10:05well I concern so the irrational and

1:10:08mean about food like that was my dad

1:10:10right he came keep your legs that's it

1:10:12the eggs he didn't you didn't like the

1:10:13way he made the eggs made the eggs wrong

1:10:15and and I had and I cross my arms and

1:10:18said no way because I like my eggs

1:10:20sunny-side up

1:10:21you don't say that David Roderick and he

1:10:22made scrambled eggs and I was like no

1:10:25way I'm am i eating those weird eggs and

1:10:27he was like oh you're going to eat these

1:10:29eggs and we had a battle royale that

1:10:32involved everybody in the family and

1:10:33everybody in the neighborhood about the

1:10:36freaking scrambled eggs so he and i

1:10:39would have showdowns like that over chow

1:10:42mein we would have showdowns like that

1:10:44over up just a lot of thing was it was

1:10:46it was probably because like he made his

1:10:48certain way and you didn't like the way

1:10:50he made it or so here's the crazy thing

1:10:52he made macaroni and cheese according to

1:10:54the directions on the box 8 quarts of

1:10:56water into needs eight quarts of water

1:10:59to make macaroni and cheese and

1:11:00therefore it's at four cores 4 quarts of

1:11:03water that's it four quarts of water and

1:11:04half a stick of butter so the macaroni

1:11:07and cheese sauce would be this like just

1:11:10butter sauces and so I remember when I

1:11:14was living with my dad and he man oh

1:11:16here's the other great thing I may have

1:11:18talked about this before our cabin mom

1:11:20will know who but he would make the

1:11:23macaroni and cheese so I get this he

1:11:26would make the macaroni and cheese sauce

1:11:28for kraft dinner now

1:11:30yeah in a separate pot he would prepare

1:11:33the sauce and then pour the sauce on the

1:11:36noodles when they were did that harm the

1:11:39performance characteristics of the kraft

1:11:40dinner

1:11:41oh absolutely but he didn't know any

1:11:44better because he was following the

1:11:45instructions on the box and the first

1:11:47thing about kraft dinner is you know

1:11:48follow the instructions first rule of

1:11:50kraft dinner club bought first rule is

1:11:52you just put a little bit of butter in

1:11:54there a little bit of milk a little bit

1:11:56of sauce and then you get that nice like

1:11:58sticky

1:12:00yeah that's different i think it feels

1:12:01fancier to make it separately

1:12:03oh yeah that's right he was like I'm

1:12:05gonna make your craft dinner but Don

1:12:07it's like opening a can of chef boyardee

1:12:09spaghetti and meatballs and like and

1:12:12like putting a salad on the plate was

1:12:14gonna say that's a little bit like

1:12:15making somebody boiling bag stouffer's

1:12:17like you know a piece stroganoff and

1:12:19look at porn a bunch of fucking truffle

1:12:21oil on top

1:12:22yeah right that don't do that i don't

1:12:23want that don't mess around and I was

1:12:25like I actually called my mom in Seattle

1:12:27long distance and said mom how do you

1:12:31make macaroni and cheese because dad is

1:12:34doing it wrong and she said oh here's

1:12:37the secret you think his mom my mom will

1:12:39make me kraft macaroni and cheese with

1:12:40water right not even clip milk in it

1:12:43yeah and with the with just a little bit

1:12:46of butter and a little bit of salt and I

1:12:47was like oh my God thank you know my mom

1:12:49was doing that because she was a frugal

1:12:51and be a like crazy or or not crazy but

1:12:57just like your mom has read it strikes

1:12:59me that your mom has reasons why she

1:13:00does most things even if we don't know

1:13:02what that is I think your mom seems to

1:13:04me that she has a reason for almost

1:13:05everything

1:13:05yeah i think what she understood was

1:13:07that the powder the powder cheese what

1:13:10had once been cheese and all that had

1:13:12been taken out of it was the wall

1:13:14ok and so all you needed to do was

1:13:16reconstituted with water

1:13:17ok and it would have all the

1:13:19characteristics of cheese which had what

1:13:21she presumed it had once been she didn't

1:13:24realize that it was orange food coloring

1:13:26and dust and and iced tea mix it was it

1:13:33she she understood it to be cheese and

1:13:35all it needed was and if you put a

1:13:37little milk in it that was sort of a

1:13:38luxury like sure go ahead help yourself

1:13:40so that was a big big contention between

1:13:44me and my dad I think what my mom was

1:13:46trying to do at a certain point was to

1:13:48say you know what enough and as a parent

1:13:52I don't know I don't know where that

1:13:56line is yet it was kind about the food

1:13:59was more about like no she just makes

1:14:01needs to make a stand here m is that was

1:14:03just about anything is the MacGuffin

1:14:05that but it's really more about like no

1:14:07you're not gonna you're not gonna do

1:14:08that you're not going to dictate what

1:14:09food get served

1:14:10yeah you're not you're you we are done

1:14:12with you just arbitrarily deciding that

1:14:16you're gonna you're gonna throw a wrench

1:14:19into the spokes of my road bike as I

1:14:23pass you it trying to be friendly

1:14:27yes trying to be friendly to your

1:14:28Italian bike team and you put your bike

1:14:32pump in the spokes of my wheel about the

1:14:34cutters talking about the cutter sense

1:14:36right

1:14:37she said enough I'm making my stand now

1:14:41and it is over cold Bowl apiece and

1:14:45here's the here is the here is the bad

1:14:49part are you ready yes this happened on

1:14:52Easter gosh this bowl appease happened

1:14:56on Easter and we had just graduated to a

1:15:00thing where the easter bunny was not

1:15:02hiding the eggs anymore because we knew

1:15:03that there was no Easter Bunny and what

1:15:06we were able to do is the kids could

1:15:08hide eggs for each other and then find

1:15:12the eggs and then the next kid got an

1:15:14opportunity to hide the eggs for each

1:15:16other and my mom's boyfriend had five

1:15:18kids so that was like their eight kids

1:15:20at this party everyone hiding eggs for

1:15:24each other and then

1:15:25it was hide-and-go-seek with eggs and I

1:15:28was sitting at the dining room table in

1:15:30front of a cold bowl of peas and so the

1:15:33kids were actually hiding eggs around me

1:15:36they would come into the dining room and

1:15:38they would hide eggs around me hide eggs

1:15:40is there this is complicated

1:15:42they were hiding eggs for each other on

1:15:43my it right around me

1:15:45well I'm saying they're crying over a

1:15:46cold Bowl appease it was it was truly

1:15:49like a it was it is cinched in my memory

1:15:52yeah and this is one of those things

1:15:53that if my school my mom listen to this

1:15:55podcast periodically and then she comes

1:15:57to me and she says that's not how it

1:15:59happened and I say you have a selective

1:16:03memory about things about instances

1:16:06where you were standing in my closet

1:16:09stomping on my toys have them and now

1:16:11she has gia had equal time for that just

1:16:14didn't do it now she denies it

1:16:16completely and she says that's not how

1:16:17it happened

1:16:18here's how it happened and then she

1:16:19tells some story that it is not at all a

1:16:22true story

1:16:24she said some species of bananas stuff

1:16:27about how I was a bad kid or something

1:16:29she was great mom she never laid a

1:16:31finger on me I struggle to try and make

1:16:34the right point because it is is in all

1:16:36honesty trying to make the right point

1:16:39gets so clouded by all the different

1:16:42layers of being inside my own head and

1:16:44combined with trying to do the right

1:16:45thing but like I find it very difficult

1:16:47to know you know here's the thing it's

1:16:50like this is like Buddhism like what if

1:16:52everything's going well in life program

1:16:54is this you know but some mail you don't

1:16:58think about how things are going until

1:16:59they're not going well so we can have

1:17:01the most perfect in the world but then

1:17:02like if it gets towards you know it's

1:17:03bath time and it's time to stop doing

1:17:04whatever the fun thing is now whether

1:17:06thats watching TV or video games or

1:17:08drawing or reading or whatever now it's

1:17:09time to do the next thing this

1:17:11transition times are you know that's

1:17:13where things are tough and like I find

1:17:15myself this is not interesting no one

1:17:16cares but like I find myself really

1:17:18struggling with like okay what's the

1:17:19point that i want to make here is the

1:17:20point that i want to make that you're

1:17:21not gonna push me around

1:17:23wow that's a really weird point to make

1:17:24you're supposed to be the adult here is

1:17:25the point that like sometimes we have to

1:17:27do things we don't want to do is the

1:17:28point here that you know there's this I

1:17:30and I just have to be very careful that

1:17:33I not get emotional before I understand

1:17:36what the point is because it's it's very

1:17:38easy

1:17:39if you especially if you take something

1:17:40personally and especially especially if

1:17:42you don't realize you're taking it

1:17:44personally

1:17:44it gets ugly and stupid fast and I end

1:17:46up apologizing and saying that was

1:17:48really silly i'm not sure why i was so

1:17:50short with you but that was wrong and

1:17:52that's when the tears really come is now

1:17:53apologizing oh you'd never do that

1:17:57well the other day she stomped her foot

1:18:00at me

1:18:01we were out in we're out in public and i

1:18:04said here's what we're gonna do next and

1:18:08she said that's not what I want to do I

1:18:09want to do this and I said well we can't

1:18:11do that because we're we have to do this

1:18:13we have to do this other thing we have

1:18:15to go in this direction because of

1:18:17reasons and she turned put her hands on

1:18:21her hips like little fists on her hips

1:18:25and stomped her feet at me and said no

1:18:29daddy

1:18:30what about you dad and I said with a big

1:18:34smile on my face don't you stop your

1:18:35feet of me you don't stomp your feet at

1:18:38me i am daddy and I don't get feet

1:18:42stomped at me and she's just at the age

1:18:45she's rather still at the age where I

1:18:49can say that and she puts that into her

1:18:51function machine and she goes oh I

1:18:54didn't realize that you don't stomp your

1:18:56feet of daddy but yeah that I've that

1:18:58doesn't work for that that right and

1:19:01that's what I could see that already

1:19:02when you use now you've made some kind

1:19:05of little encoding trail in her brain

1:19:07you may never be able to take back

1:19:09well and so I am so I don't know what

1:19:11I'm doing here right like you don't stop

1:19:12your feet daddy and so what that what

1:19:15that means is that i would she use that

1:19:17when she's 30

1:19:18well and she's so i could see it going

1:19:20in our head like what that means is a

1:19:22you do stomp your feet and other people

1:19:24and daddy is a special case and be daddy

1:19:29thinks you don't stomp your feet at him

1:19:31which I will accept now because the

1:19:34because it's unclear what the results

1:19:37will be if i do right that's still on

1:19:39she's still unsure exactly what daddy is

1:19:42capable of and so but there will come a

1:19:46day when she goes oh yeah let's see

1:19:49let's see what happens if we stop your

1:19:51feet daddy

1:19:51uh-huh and then I don't know what I'm

1:19:53gonna do what do you do

1:19:55it's already I've already laid down the

1:19:56law you don't stomp your feet daddy and

1:19:59I did with a big smile on my face

1:20:00because I thought it was cute as hell

1:20:02when she's stomping your feet of me of

1:20:03course whether little fists on our hips

1:20:05but now what do i do when she stops her

1:20:08feet daddy and I say you don't stop your

1:20:10feet daddy and she does it again

1:20:12I don't know what I'm gonna do i totally

1:20:14agree here's the other one like for

1:20:15example if your kids real little I mean

1:20:17this is like so we've never we've never

1:20:20hit our kid we're not a hitting family

1:20:22but like the one way that i can

1:20:25understand like a smack on the butt for

1:20:27example is like don't run into traffic

1:20:30like I need to make an impression on you

1:20:33about something that just happened so I

1:20:34don't think you have to go hitting but

1:20:36like there are times when a kid is when

1:20:37you are not able to communicate the

1:20:39complexity of why we don't run into the

1:20:41street where you just need to make an

1:20:43impression i do think that that probably

1:20:45it could be wrong Street we're getting

1:20:47you'll get email about this don't you

1:20:48but they're getting people to tell us

1:20:50how we're doing this wrong especially

1:20:50they don't have kids but I but it

1:20:53sometimes you need to make that

1:20:53impression the trouble is first of all

1:20:55that only works for so long and then it

1:20:58becomes what I worry about is it becomes

1:21:01that like something like what I don't

1:21:04want to have that turn into is if things

1:21:06don't go his way

1:21:08dad gets mad mhm what like so what is

1:21:11the point that i want to make there is

1:21:13the point there that like that's your

1:21:14being unkind right now or you're not

1:21:16you're not listening to how your

1:21:17feelings are making you you know be

1:21:18right now like what is one of my sage

1:21:21piece of advice at that amounts to you

1:21:23don't stop your feet daddy I don't know

1:21:25so where do you think she learned the

1:21:26stomp

1:21:27oh I you know I imagine that the stop is

1:21:31partly in a tin her and partly she's

1:21:34going through a phase right now where

1:21:35she's she's real I mean she's always

1:21:38bossed everybody but she's really

1:21:39doubling down on like a know right she's

1:21:46just no to everything and

1:21:49you know my my goal at this point is

1:21:52really not i'm not i don't believe that

1:21:55she has the capacity to understand well

1:21:59even her feelings and so i'm not going

1:22:02through the process yet of uh of being

1:22:07too complicated in explaining or Orion

1:22:11reasoning with her so that she

1:22:14understands you know so that she comes

1:22:16out the other side in better touch with

1:22:18her reality i'm i am at the stage of

1:22:21like you don't stomp your feet daddy

1:22:22which is just as new to you too

1:22:26yeah it's just what it is it is just a

1:22:28rule it's just a it's just a way of

1:22:31saying enough right you're the you are

1:22:35not the boss and there are a lot of ways

1:22:37that you are trying to assert that you

1:22:40are the boss and there are some realms

1:22:43in which you are the boss like I give

1:22:46you lots and lots of things where lots

1:22:48of situations where you are absolutely

1:22:50the boss you decide but there are things

1:22:52that you don't decide right and you will

1:22:55end

1:22:55what where we're going to eat dinner is

1:22:57not a thing that you decide will take

1:22:58your input but in the end that's going

1:23:01to be something that mom decides you do

1:23:03not decide about crossing the street and

1:23:07you don't decide what we're gonna do

1:23:09next if daddy says we can't do this we

1:23:11have to go to that like because reasons

1:23:14you don't decide and your input is in

1:23:16these matters is that you know there

1:23:19will come in a purely advisory role

1:23:22right and and the thing is I am I

1:23:24feeling about it even before she was

1:23:26born I side well I talked about this at

1:23:28length with in my family was that every

1:23:32birthday and in and now that we've

1:23:34established that there are such things

1:23:35as half birthdays and fucking quarter

1:23:39birthdays which I don't know that didn't

1:23:41i didn't that mean that I don't think

1:23:42that's a thing John that didn't come

1:23:44from me I I established the precedent of

1:23:46half birthdays and i immediately

1:23:47regretted it but then she learned that

1:23:51in addition to have their half of a half

1:23:54was a quarter and she was like it's my

1:23:56quarter birthday and I was like my

1:23:57quarter birthday is coming up and I was

1:23:59like oh my god

1:24:00I've never heard of that your quarter

1:24:02birthday she was like yeah don't I get a

1:24:03cupcake on my quarter birthday and I was

1:24:06like okay I just was I you know she's

1:24:11young quarterback days i don't know i

1:24:13established as a precedent and now I'm

1:24:15sure she's 16 years old she can be like

1:24:17it's my corner birthday but i did say in

1:24:21advance of her even being born that

1:24:24there that she should be accorded new

1:24:27rights and privileges as a as a birthday

1:24:30present

1:24:31so now you are seven and you get to pick

1:24:33the following you get to you are now

1:24:36empowered within the family to be this

1:24:40have these new rights and

1:24:41responsibilities so that she'll just so

1:24:45that she thinks of every birthday not

1:24:47just as a time when she gets presence

1:24:49but as another masonic level in her path

1:24:54to being a 33rd degree Mason but mainly

1:24:57mainly wanting more rights and

1:25:00responsibilities

1:25:01well right but but but trying to impart

1:25:03to her that

1:25:04here are your new rights and here are

1:25:06your new responsibilities so that the

1:25:08two things go hand in hand

1:25:10so now you can dress yourself without

1:25:12arguing with your mom and you can wear

1:25:14whatever you want but that means that

1:25:18you put your clothes in the laundry when

1:25:21you get undressed at night huh

1:25:23good luck you know well but you know

1:25:24this is the thing and if you do if you

1:25:26do not perform the responsibility than

1:25:28you then the right is returned

1:25:30understand I understand I don't believe

1:25:31me I understand

1:25:32yeah oh I know I know and we're but

1:25:34Wilson you know we'll see if mrs. the

1:25:36thing about like don't stop repeated

1:25:37daddy and it may just be that that this

1:25:41up what I don't understand is what the

1:25:43consequences are

1:25:44I know I know and if if she's like oh

1:25:47I'm gonna keep dressing myself but i am

1:25:49not going to put my clothes in the

1:25:50laundry then I don't know whether she

1:25:52sits in front of a cold Bowl appease or

1:25:54all of her clothes disappear in the

1:25:56night and all that's left is the white

1:25:59boiler suits from the earliest

1:26:01incarnation of the police

1:26:02let's go you should your gas lighter you

1:26:04know where she just wakes and I had

1:26:06nothing to do with that but that's just

1:26:07life to did that to you there's just six

1:26:09boiler suits and it's like hey baby

1:26:12there it is you know

1:26:13mirror in the bathroom and so I don't

1:26:20know I mean daddy does have significant

1:26:22power significant power to change actual

1:26:25reality where she comes from

1:26:26I did this once to my dad he away for

1:26:29two days on vacation with his girlfriend

1:26:31and while he was gone I painted the

1:26:33walls of his house yellow