0:00:00Kiki's flagging on broomstick and she
0:00:03has a cat now she's over a town which is
0:00:05a place where people live she's
0:00:08encountering problems with weather and a
0:00:10there which is here come some sea gulls
0:00:13watch out for the boot keep it a bit
0:00:15uncomfortable number 194 my 24-team
0:00:28welcome back to the uncomfortable
0:00:30podcast I'm your host Jason Snelling
0:00:32we're back to talk about another one of
0:00:33the movies of hayao miyazaki the great
0:00:37japanese animation writer director
0:00:39producer everything we did a whole
0:00:41episode about him that was just the only
0:00:44two person episode ever of the cover was
0:00:46just me and John talking about miyazaki
0:00:48movies and then we did the whole episode
0:00:50about my neighbor totoro with this very
0:00:54panel and I wanted to get the band back
0:00:55together because we had such a great
0:00:56time to talk about my favorite miyazaki
0:00:59movie
0:01:00kiki's delivery service joining me to
0:01:02talk about Kiki are John siracusa hi
0:01:05John
0:01:06I'm ready is I i have no doubt you're
0:01:09ready we're not talking about Game of
0:01:11Thrones you know that right away what we
0:01:13know the scene where the cat murders
0:01:18that guy is just wow it was surprising
0:01:21gigi is coming that that's a steve lets
0:01:24you heard there I Steve know it's so
0:01:27good to be back in weird weird japan we
0:01:29get is smitten
0:01:30it's nice to be back here and and of
0:01:33course are our fourth member of our
0:01:35little of miyazaki movie club Marlon man
0:01:38I hi guys how's it going good to have
0:01:40you back
0:01:41that's great to be here everybody watch
0:01:43the movie has every seen the moving
0:01:44going to watch the movie now seeing this
0:01:47one couple three times
0:01:49yeah yeah I watched it uh I watched it
0:01:53today and i watched it with the Japanese
0:01:56audio track on the subtitles for i think
0:01:58only the second time although to be fair
0:02:00it was the last two times I watched him
0:02:02i watched it that way but i have it i
0:02:04feel like i have the disney dub version
0:02:06ingrained in my mind and that when we
0:02:08talk about anime this is always the
0:02:10issue is
0:02:11no what's the real version and there
0:02:13really isn't a real version unless you
0:02:14speak Japanese because you're either
0:02:15relying on the subtitles to tell you
0:02:17things is what we had that moment where
0:02:19my wife and I were watching it and
0:02:20saying oh well that's different in the
0:02:22in the in this version and we tried to
0:02:24describe a certain level of authority to
0:02:26the subtitles i'm not sure we can do
0:02:27that either so you definitely cannot
0:02:30because I don't know much Japanese but i
0:02:31know enough Japanese to know when the
0:02:33subtitles are incorrect very incorrect
0:02:35often
0:02:35yeah i was looking on i think i think
0:02:37the wikipedia page even says like when I
0:02:40was suspicious about the let's have some
0:02:42hot chocolate and I was like that's
0:02:44coffee that's because why is she putting
0:02:45a lot of sugar in her hot chocolate is
0:02:48the book that most coarse ground hot
0:02:50chocolate I've ever seen in my life
0:02:53it's actually oval teed is that the boys
0:02:54in the town there's a disco right yeah
0:02:57you don't catch that all this done
0:02:59yeah well we can't have that would be
0:03:01crazy and i have no idea what they
0:03:03actually said but I even just minor
0:03:04things where the subtitles always spell
0:03:06things out where people are addressed by
0:03:08name or title
0:03:09okay dad I'll be right there and the
0:03:10actual dialogue is ok I feel fortunate
0:03:15in that apparently the there was quite a
0:03:18bit of controversy over the original
0:03:19disney dub of this although it
0:03:21apparently was okayed by miyazaki and
0:03:24dance studio ghibli is a good leader
0:03:27jiggly jiggly
0:03:29hey Benny you couldn't pronounce that
0:03:31you can I just I just I was reading that
0:03:33same thing today and it sounds like
0:03:35before you fire off the Horn I guess
0:03:37there was on there's 1i think pretty
0:03:40important plot point that sounds like it
0:03:42was completely different and yeah yeah
0:03:45yeahs the cat a cat related blood point
0:03:47captain yes exactly
0:03:49that's a really important one that
0:03:51changes the movie without what I had was
0:03:53it turns out i guess the 2010 disney dub
0:03:56where they actually yes scaled back some
0:03:58of the bombass that they added in and
0:04:01got rid of that particular messed up
0:04:04plot point and it works a lot better now
0:04:06i think and that's not the version i
0:04:08have i've got the you know whatever the
0:04:10previous DVD is what i have and this is
0:04:12a movie also that has been released on
0:04:13blu-ray in essentially every country in
0:04:16the world except the United States so
0:04:18far as i can tell
0:04:19so that's really nice thanks a lot
0:04:21disney disney yeah it kills me i will we
0:04:26didn't do this for a while because I was
0:04:27just waiting for that blu-ray to come
0:04:28out and it's like no no sign of it don't
0:04:31know what's going on
0:04:32once you once you get the gospel from
0:04:33siracusa and decided that it's time to
0:04:35watch it in whatever version you watch
0:04:37subtitled instead of dubbed it ain't
0:04:40easy to do by conventional means in the
0:04:42u.s. almost say about that yeah well you
0:04:46can buy me the DVD you can't buy the
0:04:48disney DVD and watching japanese with
0:04:49english subtitles and Howard Howard the
0:04:52subtitles they get well and get your own
0:04:55ego to like open subtitles what's your
0:04:57go-to for that job
0:04:58yeah fansubs usually are almost always
0:05:01better than the official subtitles
0:05:03because you can choose when you're
0:05:05picking your fansubs you can pick the
0:05:06pedantic fansubs who were going to do
0:05:08literal translations and then it's gonna
0:05:10read kind of like I mean it doesn't make
0:05:12sense to pass the time but you could be
0:05:14talking like that car
0:05:15this is exactly the literal translation
0:05:17of what they're saying you have to
0:05:18figure out exactly like it would be like
0:05:20a translation of some French think it
0:05:22would be like a lightning delivery mail
0:05:24and be like I think they mean email you
0:05:26know think that's you have to figure
0:05:28that way or you can do the fan subs are
0:05:30trying to catch the spirit of adore you
0:05:31mean you can just pick your fansub crew
0:05:33who you think does a good job I and get
0:05:36the experience you want out of it but it
0:05:38sounds like the subs on the disney
0:05:39version are based on the script for the
0:05:42the original dub that was only available
0:05:45on a laserdisc and on like Japanese
0:05:47airplane and so it's not based on the
0:05:50actual like it its it's got like oh the
0:05:53humanity which is not you notice that
0:05:56was in the subs of mine and I think it's
0:05:58yeah it's not in the dub it was enraged
0:06:01out of a job that I saw although i guess
0:06:03it was in the original one
0:06:04let's see the thing with all these
0:06:06movies is like movies that are are aimed
0:06:08at children are good for children if you
0:06:10have children you will find yourself
0:06:11inevitably watching the doubles because
0:06:13little children can't read yeah and even
0:06:16though i've had my children watch many
0:06:17subtitled movies where I pipe literally
0:06:19sat on the couch and read them the
0:06:20subtitles and just have them watch it
0:06:22that way
0:06:22most of the time to watch in English and
0:06:24so at this point I've seen this movie
0:06:25dubbed more times than I've seen it
0:06:27subtitled by far because my kids used to
0:06:29watch it over and over and over and over
0:06:30again and i have to say as far as
0:06:32dubs go this is a pretty good dub all
0:06:35things considered I mean it's very
0:06:37different from the original version and
0:06:38in the beginning I resented it because
0:06:40of that but like totoro there is a
0:06:42certain charm to the dub to this movie
0:06:45Matthew Lawrence notwithstanding I like
0:06:47the fact that the second that this 2010
0:06:49DVD doesn't you know doesn't use the
0:06:52disney disney pop songs that were
0:06:57inserted at the beginning and the end
0:06:58and goes back to the Japanese songs and
0:07:00right because that kind of rubbed me the
0:07:01wrong way there are a lot of there are a
0:07:04lot of differences in this movie between
0:07:06the the English dub and and just reading
0:07:09with the subtitles i think the cat is
0:07:11actually the biggest one right because
0:07:12GG right is this high-pitched you know I
0:07:15have a cat kind of voice and it's phil
0:07:17hartman in English up and Gigi says so
0:07:20much less to yeah he says a lot and he's
0:07:23a wisecracker an animal sidekick and me
0:07:25that's kind of a big deal really because
0:07:27I mean isn't he effectively supposed to
0:07:29be sort of the representation of kikis
0:07:31childhood there are sort of immature
0:07:34thoughts on court according to that fact
0:07:37that we are apparently read on the
0:07:38internet yes but I'm I don't entirely
0:07:40like that that maybe have been our
0:07:42intention when a tournament to phil
0:07:43hartman like it it's totally different
0:07:46and you can you can reject it and say
0:07:48well that's not how this movie is
0:07:49supposed to be but I still feel like
0:07:50phil hartman works as phil hartman in
0:07:52the context of the dub it works but it
0:07:54is real different I mean we're watching
0:07:56it in in the subtitled version uses a
0:08:01lot less it has a much more feminine
0:08:03voice I mean I guess I'm i don't i'm
0:08:06guessing GG still of a gendered boy I
0:08:09don't know
0:08:10well I is he has children later Lily it
0:08:13seems pretty clearly to be a girl
0:08:14well be normative the money shot circuit
0:08:20city is not feeling adoption service is
0:08:22also part of her it was the fifties and
0:08:25world war two hadn't happened was a
0:08:26complicated time
0:08:27but-but-but-but another sigh I don't
0:08:30want you know go crazy here but there's
0:08:31a lot that hinges on like what you
0:08:33think's going on with that cat and she
0:08:35told anybody says a lot less and GT
0:08:38really reads less as a wiseacre than
0:08:40english version and much more is like
0:08:42kind of
0:08:44overabundance of caution not a pessimist
0:08:47exactly but almost like the kind of
0:08:48nagging like what super-ego I guess you
0:08:51know that's kind of like telling her you
0:08:53will be careful what you're doing here
0:08:54but he goes with the flow much more in
0:08:55the original Phil Hartman does fill the
0:08:58role of you know
0:08:59c-3po oh my goodness should be going to
0:09:01the asteroid field blah blah right but
0:09:04there's almost no way that you can
0:09:05construe him as sort of a part of her
0:09:07subconscious and in that feeling away
0:09:09anyways she does not have that sort of
0:09:11wisecracker e-science and that's what
0:09:14that's what he's offering seems to be in
0:09:15a different movie because her reaction
0:09:17him is not the appropriate reaction that
0:09:19you would be you would expect to have 44
0:09:21you know for his character and in the
0:09:22dubbed version you know he's great
0:09:24though I i gotta say i absolutely love
0:09:26his character in this even though he's
0:09:28basically a feline Paul Lynde in fact I
0:09:29didn't even recognize the magical
0:09:31apartment
0:09:31originally I was trying to place the
0:09:33voices like a screw it i'm gonna go with
0:09:35Poland and that worked out fine for me
0:09:38because he gets all the best lines i
0:09:39think this is his last voiceover
0:09:41performance that he did I mean the last
0:09:43performance it was was those last
0:09:45episode of newsradio but i think this
0:09:46was his last voiceover and you know yeah
0:09:49there are moments where you can tell
0:09:51like like there's the scene where at the
0:09:54very beginning where keys mom wants her
0:09:57to use use her broom once once Kiki use
0:10:03her old broom and not this new broom the
0:10:05key is made and kikis like it's old its
0:10:09stupid you know it's very teenager kind
0:10:11of thing to say and in the original the
0:10:14least what the sub says is she turns to
0:10:17G&G is like yeah you should use your
0:10:19mom's room and in the enemy in the dub
0:10:22it's like I don't know i think your
0:10:24broom is kind of crappy you should you
0:10:26you know let's take let's take the old
0:10:28one right it's just your broom is nice
0:10:30use your moms so intent yeah yeah yeah
0:10:33so it's a different it's just very
0:10:35different where he's he's acting as a
0:10:36character whereas in the original it
0:10:38does read sort of like this is the you
0:10:40know I know you're rebelling but you
0:10:42should just take it from your mother go
0:10:43ahead it's just different very different
0:10:46we could probably talk in large broad
0:10:49strokes about the story the story's
0:10:51pretty terrible without ruining the
0:10:52whole thing anything
0:10:53yeah let's let's little not much as
0:10:56usual after two not
0:10:58much not much happened that's what I
0:11:00said on our first miyazaki podcast I
0:11:02said that this is one of those movies
0:11:04where there is no real antagonist it's
0:11:07just sort of things happen and as I said
0:11:10at the time sort of like the weather the
0:11:12weather is an antagonist here and
0:11:14circumstance only very briefly I mean at
0:11:17any any given thing that would probably
0:11:19be like a horrible you know a time for
0:11:21something awful to happen in a regular
0:11:23disney movie or some other animated film
0:11:25is more or less resolved in a couple of
0:11:26seconds like his propeller takes off and
0:11:29you're expecting like something horrible
0:11:30to happen and you know next scene it
0:11:33cuts to the next scene is just sitting
0:11:34there with a propeller it's always
0:11:37realistic in a way that we said this in
0:11:39total episode that in the way the total
0:11:41was realistic not so much and that is
0:11:43magical flying things or that they're
0:11:44witches or anything like that but the
0:11:46characters behavior a little evil ways
0:11:48and the things that happened or sort of
0:11:49the mundane things that happen in life
0:11:50sometimes your mother gets sick
0:11:52sometimes people travel from place to
0:11:54place and pick vegetables and move into
0:11:56an old house sometimes you move to a new
0:11:58town you meet people you make friends
0:12:01you get your feelings hurt like but
0:12:03nothing it with the exception of the
0:12:04very end of the movie nothing out of the
0:12:06ordinary that might not happen in real
0:12:08life happens in this movie and you're
0:12:09always expecting it to be like well this
0:12:11has to be heightened drama or
0:12:13exaggerated action or surely something
0:12:15terrible or amazing or fantastic is
0:12:17going to happen and again until the very
0:12:20end which is still vaguely plausible
0:12:21kind of disaster type scenario it is
0:12:24very sort of run-of-the-mill and that I
0:12:27think is what draws me so much to this
0:12:28movie is that it feels it feels more
0:12:32like real life in a relaxed sort of way
0:12:34that lets you connect with the things
0:12:36that are happening you're just saying
0:12:37all these things could have or have
0:12:38happened to me with again with the
0:12:40possible exception of the end even
0:12:42though I'm not a witch or whatever i'm
0:12:44just not accustomed to these these
0:12:45gentle movements minutes every time I
0:12:48see something like we see key lighting
0:12:50the fire from the point of view inside
0:12:51the oven and the grandmother is looking
0:12:53on behind her sort of benevolently and I
0:12:55I keep finding myself thinking look at
0:12:57she's gonna push you in
0:12:58yeah that all of you are so they can
0:13:00burn the wig not not that kind of movie
0:13:02I know but it's it's that kind of stuff
0:13:04has been so ingrained for all the
0:13:06animated features i watched my entire
0:13:07life like something terrible is going to
0:13:09happen to parents gonna die
0:13:11you know she's gonna lean too far off
0:13:13over the side of the bike and shred her
0:13:15ear off on the road to heaven watching
0:13:17watching these movies with my kids when
0:13:19they were little and we we all watched
0:13:20it as a family today with the subtitles
0:13:23on which is fun because again they're
0:13:25all they all can do it now but watching
0:13:28when they were little you know my both
0:13:31of my kids my son especially but both of
0:13:32them when they were like really scary
0:13:35moments are there were really bad people
0:13:36they would hide or they wouldn't like it
0:13:38and one of the great things about these
0:13:40miyazaki movies and especially about
0:13:42Kiki is there's nothing like that in
0:13:45here it's a great it's a really great
0:13:46fun movie but there that that is not
0:13:48there isn't a villain who is doing
0:13:51villainous things it's just it's it's
0:13:53very different and it ended you know the
0:13:55whole movie feels different because of
0:13:57it she has no enemy that she's bad right
0:14:00at any point right yeah i don't know i
0:14:02don't have enough to if it's an anime
0:14:04thing but it definitely is like miyazaki
0:14:06thing that they're very spacious about
0:14:08making this story I mean one other way
0:14:10that it's like totoro to me at least in
0:14:12my own head is that you know childhood
0:14:15growing up really your whole life but
0:14:17especially up through your teen years
0:14:18you're just constantly confronted with
0:14:20things that just kind of makes sense and
0:14:22you know and whether there's all kinds
0:14:24of stuff especially intro we're like we
0:14:25said before like did that really happen
0:14:27or not know maybe it doesn't matter in
0:14:29some ways in the movie it's just that
0:14:30for a kid
0:14:31there's so much mystery to stuff that
0:14:33happens there's so many things that you
0:14:34can't understand you try to base on a
0:14:36previous experience and that
0:14:38spaciousness of not having somebody
0:14:40tried to poison you with an apple or not
0:14:41trying to throw you into an oven
0:14:43there's a lot of space for this to be
0:14:44about the kind of personal terminally he
0:14:46says as much i need i read one of the
0:14:48things an introduction to the maybe the
0:14:50manga of this where he said you know
0:14:52that this is it's it's not difficult to
0:14:54go out and be on your own and make money
0:14:56it's difficult to have like
0:14:58self-realization until I grow up that's
0:15:00the hard part and I think that's that
0:15:01spaciousness really works in these
0:15:02movies once you once you get past
0:15:04expecting an anvil to fall on somebody
0:15:06you know things like in the pacing of
0:15:09this movie and most of his movies like
0:15:10most anime it has a focus on kind of
0:15:12sensory experiences as several many many
0:15:15scenes in movies involved but even if
0:15:17you just look at the pacing of like he
0:15:19just showed three shots and that didn't
0:15:21include the main character that had no
0:15:23I'll our music going over them just as
0:15:25sort of a way to transition you from one
0:15:27day they weren't establishing shots or
0:15:28whatever it's like so many scenes in
0:15:30this movie if you tear it apart you're
0:15:32like wait a second that like someone had
0:15:34to sit there and draw that scene that
0:15:35scene in that scene and between this 60
0:15:38seconds there's no dialogue and like not
0:15:40like why is that even in the movies like
0:15:41we got to make it fast you gotta cut you
0:15:43have tighter it's got to be action
0:15:44action we got a dialogue scene right you
0:15:46know and this movie is not like that and
0:15:48and i think the lingering on those
0:15:51things it's not it's not like a Malik
0:15:52film like he's not lingering on you like
0:15:54a tree growing out from an acorn
0:15:55something like it's not it's not that
0:15:57level but it is very much influences the
0:16:00pace and experience of watching this
0:16:02movie maybe not for kids maybe only for
0:16:03adults but i watch it and you know if I
0:16:05haven't seen a movie in a long time i'm
0:16:07just always amazed that sort of how it
0:16:09how just unwind and just sort of rolls
0:16:12out in front of you and it had its own
0:16:15pace sort of at the pace of life instead
0:16:16about the pace of like narrative there's
0:16:19a particular scene in that in that vein
0:16:21that really stood out for me which is
0:16:23when there's very deliberate long seen
0:16:26if Kiki at the bakery counter just
0:16:28staring out the window sort of your
0:16:30flight and reflections of people walking
0:16:32by and see if it's there it's its total
0:16:34silence and she's watching you know that
0:16:36the boy on the bike pulls up and the
0:16:38girl gets on the bike and drives on and
0:16:40it's just it but that's it that's their
0:16:41version of an action scene like we're
0:16:43getting married of things like because
0:16:44now it's like what happens
0:16:46she's bored she's inside she has to work
0:16:48the girl that the boy comes up in the
0:16:49scooter the girl who's better dressed
0:16:51than she is gets on the bike gets on the
0:16:53bike sidesaddle and they go off together
0:16:55and she remains inside like that and yes
0:16:57there are many scenes in here that have
0:16:59no dollar but that's like an action
0:17:00scene is like oh we are developing the
0:17:02character we're showing we are showing
0:17:03how she feels
0:17:04by showing what she sees even though she
0:17:06has a slight expression the entire time
0:17:08sort of like bringing bringing you into
0:17:10the inner life of this girl without
0:17:11giving you a voiceover even as an action
0:17:14scene though I mean it's just so many
0:17:15frames where there's just nothing
0:17:17happening nothing's moving thats quiet
0:17:19there's silence and you would never see
0:17:21that many frames go by without something
0:17:22happening in a an american animated film
0:17:25and I love that about it i think it's
0:17:27great i wrote that particular bit down
0:17:29because it just struck me you know this
0:17:31is so so different from what I'm used to
0:17:33you know growing up watching handlebar
0:17:36Berra cartoons & you think of the
0:17:38running joke about how you keep running
0:17:39past the same window over and over and
0:17:42there's so much like unnecessary
0:17:44I mean a positive way unnecessary luxury
0:17:46to the pacing of the scenes but also the
0:17:49incredible amount of detail and the
0:17:50glistening water and stuff but I mean
0:17:52how many cartoons have you watched where
0:17:54it's just people eating for a few
0:17:57seconds or like Kiki waking up and you
0:17:59hear you when she wakes up in a room and
0:18:01she hears i just noticed this time
0:18:03watching it like I think it's that she
0:18:05had like a boat going by and she rolls
0:18:07over and look at the sheet uncovers GG
0:18:10and she kind of stirs a little bit and
0:18:12then crawls back under the sheet
0:18:14it's just a delightful little little
0:18:15tone not necessary to anything about
0:18:18pushing the plot forward but you know in
0:18:20the same way it's like you're saying
0:18:20Steve the earlier Steve I think it's
0:18:23hard for somebody like me to readjust
0:18:24when you're expecting that ridiculous
0:18:26amount of pacing but you know the the
0:18:28scenery and the background and the
0:18:30activity and that most mundane to you i
0:18:32guess you could say is is really as I
0:18:35want a character in the movie it's so
0:18:37important that this not be pasted that
0:18:40way and then when it does happen you get
0:18:41to that amazing you know third act and
0:18:44suddenly it's like an explosion of
0:18:46activity it's like the end of totoro
0:18:47you're like wow this is like a whole
0:18:48different movie now there's stuff
0:18:49happening really underscores that even
0:18:53even in the middle of a the actual
0:18:54action scenes they have for example when
0:18:56they decide to do action even if it's
0:18:58just like oh she's leaving home and
0:19:00she's going along and she's like you
0:19:02know floating on her broom and then it
0:19:03starts to rain and that tiny sequence of
0:19:05it starts to rain zoom along the top of
0:19:06the thing going it's a couple seconds
0:19:08long or whatever but they do a good job
0:19:10again with going down the hill on the
0:19:11bike leaning into the turns that is a
0:19:13very well done exciting action scene
0:19:16it's like boy where it's as if the
0:19:18camera is like still and lingering in
0:19:20common with the action scenes come the
0:19:22camera knows exactly what to do to make
0:19:24the action scenes exciting in short
0:19:26bursts building up to the big finale on
0:19:27but even in the middle like when they
0:19:28when they need to do that they do it
0:19:30very very well and you know and go back
0:19:33to real life and it its it's like her
0:19:35life where it's mostly just the mundane
0:19:37part of living your life punctuated by
0:19:39these significant events it's great that
0:19:41they can they can do something that sort
0:19:43of action-packed without necessarily
0:19:44having a whole bunch of craziness going
0:19:47on
0:19:48like during that sequence where she
0:19:49leaves home that you're talking about i
0:19:51just made a note this flying sequence
0:19:53actually feels dangerous and it really
0:19:54does because they do such a good job of
0:19:56making her seem like she's unsure on her
0:19:58broom and she's clearly unbelievably
0:20:01high up in the air and it just you watch
0:20:03that and there's not that much going on
0:20:05relatively on screen but yet you know i
0:20:07was getting vertigo watching the thing I
0:20:10liked to seen the the in terms of a
0:20:12hanna-barbera style animation the thing
0:20:14that i noticed i mean when she goes and
0:20:16visits her friend painter in the
0:20:18countryside I had that moment its like a
0:20:20this is Miyazaki's like finally the
0:20:22countryside I could do my all my totoro
0:20:24stuff like a big trees and water
0:20:27glistening and and you know that's nice
0:20:29and and you know field stretching out to
0:20:32heels in the background but early on
0:20:34there's the scene where she's the first
0:20:36person she encounters when she's on her
0:20:38broom is this other witch who's who's
0:20:41bitchy right she's like a nice night
0:20:43isn't it well it was this terrible but
0:20:47uh there's kiki is learning to fly and
0:20:50at one point the the witch asked her to
0:20:53turn off a radio and she reaches Davis
0:20:55exact noted she reaches down to turn off
0:20:58the radio and the broom Bob's down and
0:21:00she has to compensate and get it back to
0:21:02come back up because just the act of
0:21:04leaning forward like that it's like
0:21:06taking your hands off the steering wheel
0:21:07it you know she's not an expert at
0:21:09keeping level and then she bobs back up
0:21:11and it's a little moment but it you know
0:21:14that that's a lot of animation work to
0:21:16do that and yet it feels so much more
0:21:18real because then you realize she is
0:21:21struggling to keep it together and you
0:21:24know it's not easy for her but you know
0:21:26again if you're coming quarters and as
0:21:29an animator you would never show
0:21:31something like that because it gives you
0:21:32hints about the physics of flying broom
0:21:35and you know and it's not in a straight
0:21:37line and and yet we see it in in this
0:21:41movie and and i love that i absolutely
0:21:44love that that's the luxury of miyazaki
0:21:46movies is that you know like so that
0:21:48first of the miyazaki movies on is the
0:21:50traditional ones they have beautifully
0:21:51painted background which are more or
0:21:52less static they may pan across them or
0:21:54like zoom in on me
0:21:55whatever right and those are beautiful
0:21:57like paintings in and of themselves and
0:21:58you have the character animation / and
0:22:00you know no matter how minor the scene
0:22:02in a feature-length miyazaki movie
0:22:04that's no matter what the scene is some
0:22:07person put their entire life and being
0:22:09into that scene so I'm not the note that
0:22:11i have in this is the but you have to
0:22:13which is flying alongside each other and
0:22:15then in a lesser movie any lesser
0:22:17animated movie the two people will be
0:22:19flying alongside each other and talking
0:22:21and they would never be that Bob and
0:22:23then if you watch it with the daily note
0:22:24that has it she bobs when she adjusts
0:22:27the radio when she comes back up she
0:22:29really just her dress because she wants
0:22:31to regain her composure so that you can
0:22:32continue having a conversation and some
0:22:34guy had to animate those you know 200
0:22:37frames of animation or whatever it is
0:22:39and like eat he or she poured their
0:22:42heart and soul into that animation and
0:22:44thought about I mean occupy key frame to
0:22:46do whatever and that like there are no
0:22:48like oh and this is just a scene where
0:22:50this dialogue so don't worry about it or
0:22:51this isn't a big same route are going
0:22:53better or in this scene bridge in this
0:22:55scene we're just worried about the
0:22:56background so don't worry about like
0:22:57every single moment you know and that's
0:23:00the luxury of these movies like you know
0:23:01they just poured every ounce of time and
0:23:04money and effort into it it's like the
0:23:06you know this able to get apple hardware
0:23:08whatever someone sweats over every
0:23:10little detail in a future like miyazaki
0:23:12someone supposed to every little detail
0:23:13kids are not going to notice this but it
0:23:15allows adults to rewatch these things
0:23:17again and again and pick out new things
0:23:18every time I saw that cumulative effect
0:23:20what you're describing and you know it
0:23:22when you're saying that i'm thinking
0:23:23like in any other movie the two broom
0:23:25sticks with literally be parallel and
0:23:27equidistant the entire time the two
0:23:29characters are talking and you know it
0:23:31now I'm thinking about that more now and
0:23:33I'm realizing like from through the
0:23:34entire movie there's one thing that's
0:23:36always sustained that adds to her
0:23:39character something you don't see a lot
0:23:40which is that she really has to
0:23:42concentrate to fly you know usually
0:23:45which hop and she's going on a chopper
0:23:47and taking off and in this case where
0:23:48you can really tell that it's taken
0:23:50especially at the end when she's
0:23:51actually like my favorite scene in the
0:23:52movie where she's sweating because
0:23:54you're spiring to try and be able to fly
0:23:56which is going to mojo back
0:23:58but that whole sense all the way through
0:24:00that you know what a weird balance it is
0:24:02though that we could see this 13 year
0:24:04old girl who has trouble flying or never
0:24:06liked that worried that she's gonna like
0:24:08you know flying door
0:24:09heller blade or something there's not
0:24:10that constant sense of danger I'm kind
0:24:12of worried when when she in the credits
0:24:14when she's right in front of pacing
0:24:16tambo and his little bicycle airplane i
0:24:18have a little worried about hurting
0:24:20people that someone actually yes
0:24:22somebody's very enthusiastic kind of
0:24:24just like just don't take your eyes off
0:24:25the ball here to here you get chopped up
0:24:27is a very enthusiastic young man that's
0:24:29what I worry about it but not until that
0:24:31point I think my biggest moment of
0:24:32concern is in that end sequence where
0:24:34she's getting along maybe a foot above
0:24:35the ground
0:24:36oh yeah that there's sort of a star wars
0:24:39trench sequence that goes on really
0:24:40really just like she's on a skateboard
0:24:42at that moment right she's like she
0:24:44doesn't land on the ground but she's
0:24:46she's flying inches off the ground and
0:24:49the camera is low downright the
0:24:51perspective there is work where we're
0:24:53low at ground level and we're watching
0:24:55her just kind of skitter across the the
0:24:58the street to get to that to the airship
0:25:01she's got that stance of like those
0:25:03knobs that drive there
0:25:04suzuki motorcycles down the freeway with
0:25:06their bare feet up on the back of the
0:25:08tail
0:25:08also she's um I early on talking about
0:25:12how she flies in the way it works when
0:25:13she first takes off she you know she
0:25:15kind of goes sideways and she hits a
0:25:17tree and then she hits another tree and
0:25:19and in the ne in the subtitle version
0:25:22you see the she you see you go over one
0:25:26tree right and and uh and then another
0:25:29tree shake so there's an implied
0:25:30collision and then the father says oh
0:25:34she's you know now she's over the lake
0:25:36she'll be fine but you don't see you
0:25:38don't you don't see her take off into
0:25:39the horizon flying straight like any
0:25:41other movie would write like she's
0:25:43writing herself now and she's figured
0:25:44out how to fly
0:25:45no she was nowhere in sight she's not
0:25:47going straight she's going sideways she
0:25:48doesn't have it together and then and
0:25:50it's funny because then you see your go
0:25:52past the one tree and you're like well
0:25:54now what and the other tree shakes and
0:25:56you're like no she's got again but in
0:25:57its much played much broad much more
0:26:01broadly in the Disney dub version where
0:26:03the whole way you can actually hear i
0:26:05think GG and there's a little bit of
0:26:06Kiki kind of like you know not that dro
0:26:09there we go again right there's there's
0:26:11many ways but more dialogue in the
0:26:13american version because the Japanese
0:26:14versions of all these films they trust
0:26:16the audience understand what's going on
0:26:18about having characters you know what
0:26:20having characters just you know spell
0:26:22out what's going on or have the
0:26:24reassuring line of dialogue to make sure
0:26:25you know what's happening or that you
0:26:27know what here comes with it
0:26:28that's that seems to be the way they
0:26:31take anime and bring it to America like
0:26:32well obviously we need our characters to
0:26:34talk more soon as characters aren't on
0:26:35the screen and they can add lines to
0:26:37them because the mouth what you want to
0:26:38see the mouth moving like they're
0:26:39off-screen it's like yeah start putting
0:26:41a dialogue so the kids can follow along
0:26:43and that the Japanese movies just trust
0:26:45kids and adults and everyone to be able
0:26:47to understand what's going without
0:26:48saying anything and took to their credit
0:26:50like they have like long sequences in
0:26:52this movie where for example she
0:26:54delivers the herring pine the rain and
0:26:57it's wet and tombos waiting for her and
0:26:58she comes back home and she has a couple
0:27:00words with a sauna going up the stairs
0:27:02but there's a long sequence where she
0:27:04just kind of like silently returning and
0:27:08walked into her room and then walks up
0:27:10to her bed and then does the big flop on
0:27:12the bed because again totally realistic
0:27:14and that whole long sequence doesn't
0:27:16have any words or even facial
0:27:18expressions let you know what she's
0:27:19thinking but they trusted like you will
0:27:21understand her situation you know what
0:27:23she's thinking when she flops headfirst
0:27:24onto the bed it is not a shock because
0:27:26that's exactly what we all expected to
0:27:28do at that point because we are with her
0:27:29emotionally through the entire sequence
0:27:30and it's not because there was a
0:27:32voiceover or there was yelling or
0:27:34screaming back and forth or anything
0:27:35like that
0:27:35also i have a twelve-year-old daughter
0:27:36and I've seen that happen in my house
0:27:39narrow in fact my daughter was like oh I
0:27:42do that Maggie
0:27:43yup yup you do I honestly I think the
0:27:46Japanese version is funnier when she
0:27:48takes off and hits the trees
0:27:49I think it's funny that it's absolutely
0:27:51silent and everybody's tensely watching
0:27:53if she's gonna be able to do this and
0:27:55she has this chino she's got an audience
0:27:57which is I mean talk about the worst
0:27:59thing in the world it's nice that
0:27:59everybody comes and says goodbye to her
0:28:01but then they have to watch it she tries
0:28:03to fly and then and then after all of
0:28:05that and sheets the tree but she writes
0:28:07herself and it's kinda like okay it's
0:28:08gonna be okay and she goes over the
0:28:10other trainer like all right she's on
0:28:11her way and then the other tree shakes
0:28:12and it's like oh no and it's subtle but
0:28:15it's really really funny and it's more
0:28:18sticky and me in the dubbed version i
0:28:19mean i don't wanna make this all about
0:28:20subs and dubs but i think it's funny
0:28:22that it's a different kind of humor and
0:28:23I i liked it in the good news is i think
0:28:26they scale that back that broad comedy a
0:28:28little bit in the 2010 version because i
0:28:30don't recall there being a whole lot of
0:28:31chatter
0:28:32on during a sequence but just hitting
0:28:34the trees and then the bells ringing
0:28:35that's not hear the bells ringing she
0:28:37hits that last tree but i don't remember
0:28:39hearing GG say anything at all
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0:31:00though the whole way that you're going
0:31:03to get the audience to identify with
0:31:04this character is it can't look easy
0:31:06it's actually has to be vulnerable and
0:31:09she has to not do well in many things so
0:31:11like she's setting off on an adventure
0:31:12and if you want the audience to feel
0:31:14like this is an adventure because it's
0:31:16not like going to save the kingdom or
0:31:18you know anything like that she's just
0:31:21going to first of all she's leaving home
0:31:22with 13 you have to make that feel more
0:31:24fraught that does like oh they used to
0:31:26do this because seems crazy you leave
0:31:27the moment 13 but she's a witch named
0:31:29the special thing and she's like she's
0:31:32on her broom on her own
0:31:34destination unknown that has to feel
0:31:36like an adventure and from the very
0:31:37beginning it feels like an adventure
0:31:38because just getting off the ground is
0:31:40an adventure just leaving town
0:31:41successfully adventure and then it and
0:31:43rain is rain adventure rains an
0:31:45adventure like what do you do when it
0:31:46rains you don't have any place to go you
0:31:48going to turn around and go back home
0:31:49and you know go like your father
0:31:51whispering here you can always come back
0:31:52home if you want to you know like it you
0:31:55have to identify with her vulnerability
0:31:58right off the bat and so it does feel
0:32:00like an adventure to if you were just to
0:32:02write down the events what happens
0:32:03that's not much of an adventure but it
0:32:05really feels like it you know sleeping
0:32:06with the cows waking up in a new place
0:32:08on the train coming into the town across
0:32:11the water with the gulls like that's not
0:32:14much happening but you feel it through
0:32:17her because you immediately identify
0:32:18with her as in overhead yeah when she
0:32:22gets to the city and and this is my ah
0:32:27before i brag about it to talk about
0:32:28setting here because this is this is a
0:32:30fascinating thing and that this is a
0:32:32movie when you watch totoro you're
0:32:33watching a movie about Japanese people
0:32:35in Japan when you watch kiki's delivery
0:32:37service
0:32:38you're watching japanese movie in
0:32:40Japanese or originally at least maybe
0:32:42dubbed in english about characters who
0:32:45are in an undefined northern european
0:32:48country where a lot of the writing is in
0:32:52English or in a fake Germanic kind of
0:32:56language in fact there's there's even
0:32:58some english language
0:32:59stuff happening in the background of the
0:33:01japanese version to imply that this is
0:33:03Europe or something Europe ish and the
0:33:05look of it is according to wikipedia you
0:33:09know it was a mostly based on stuff in
0:33:11Sweden I've actually been the city looks
0:33:13like Stockholm a lot of the stuff in the
0:33:15countryside looks like this B which is
0:33:17um on this in Scotland which is an
0:33:20island in the baltic sea I've been to
0:33:21both of those places there there's a
0:33:23there's a scene where she's walking down
0:33:24the street at one point that I i pointed
0:33:25out of myself i have been on that street
0:33:27like I can tell what the references are
0:33:29but it's also fascinating because it's
0:33:31like it there's some some cognitive
0:33:33dissonance there it's like a weight i'm
0:33:35used to seeing these japanese animated
0:33:37movies about Japan and that's not what
0:33:40this is this is this is I can't even
0:33:42know that what's the name of the of the
0:33:44bakery it's like this for you do keep on
0:33:47just more good sport gooder right it
0:33:50would yeah right
0:33:51it's it's not it's not Japanese all the
0:33:54writing is not it's sort of fascinating
0:33:55how you you got to think about like how
0:33:57this was was playing for a Japanese
0:33:59audience that you know that's all of the
0:34:02non-japanese writing and sending a
0:34:03signal that this is happening in in
0:34:05Europe so I thought that was I thought
0:34:08that was really interesting to it makes
0:34:09this feel very different in that way
0:34:11from and it's storybook here up kind of
0:34:14thanks to rebook mid century Europe but
0:34:17it's definitely not like totoro where
0:34:18you know you're in Japan and this is
0:34:20about the Japanese countryside all
0:34:22settings are realistic in that integral
0:34:24like it's a house in the country and you
0:34:26have right and rice fields and that's
0:34:27what it looks like it here even though
0:34:28this is an amalgam kind of its like a
0:34:30composite character of Health European
0:34:32cities but it is a real living City that
0:34:35isn't that is not the enemy nor is it
0:34:36your friend it's just a city where
0:34:38people work where people do the things
0:34:39in there are people who were Kurt to you
0:34:41and there's there are you know strangers
0:34:44on the street and their people who are
0:34:45nice to you and their friends and their
0:34:46classes and there's like it is it like
0:34:48it is an entire working city and after
0:34:51watching this movie so many times like I
0:34:53can't imagine any adult who wouldn't
0:34:55want to live in that city because it is
0:34:56ideal lot it is idealized to integrate
0:34:58they have everything they have the
0:34:59beautiful scenery that nice people they
0:35:01have good bakeries you can live in the
0:35:03woods and drink resetar birds
0:35:05yeah right which is why would you
0:35:07deliver stuff yeah yeah I'm not not not
0:35:10that well that's and a part of Stockholm
0:35:11but it's
0:35:12modeled after is the old town in the
0:35:14centre-right is there's the whole city
0:35:15and then there's the part where the
0:35:16tourists like me go and and say wow this
0:35:19is so quaint and beautiful and that's
0:35:21what this movie is showing right it's
0:35:24the beautiful village ii old European
0:35:27streets and things like that and then
0:35:29and then beautiful countryside when we
0:35:31get out to where the painter is going to
0:35:33paint Kiki but definitely not naked in
0:35:35the village definitely is it has it
0:35:37vaguely Germanic feel although tombos
0:35:39clothes are more flaming League a
0:35:41Frenchman I think interesting well i
0:35:43think you're going for Sweden or Denmark
0:35:44but yeah sure it's yours is that is that
0:35:47a Swedish look I don't know Europe
0:35:49well I found at one point one of the
0:35:50flags is like a yellow it's one of those
0:35:53would cross is like you see in the
0:35:55Scandinavian countries but it's like
0:35:56yellow one purple and I'm like all going
0:35:58up cot flags flags we don't recognize it
0:36:00crazy flag is that well when I'm when I
0:36:03would have been in Scandinavia it's like
0:36:04okay is this the yellow one the blue or
0:36:06is this the yellow on the red or is this
0:36:08the white on the blue I don't know
0:36:10because they're like I'm color blind to
0:36:12see if the guys don't make everything in
0:36:14X or even come on don't do that but but
0:36:18purple yellow and purple like I'm
0:36:20confident is not an actual country
0:36:22that's the made-up country that Kiki
0:36:24lives in apparently but so anyway when
0:36:27they get to the once you get to the town
0:36:29she causes a traffic jam and almost an
0:36:31accident and and i noticed for the very
0:36:34first time that a bus zooms by her that
0:36:36is with the label simply to do is really
0:36:38on it that made me laugh and then and
0:36:42then and tombo basically gets her out of
0:36:48trouble with the police by saying help
0:36:50beef somebody stole my something and and
0:36:53she runs the other way which I i like
0:36:55that moment of you know she is here she
0:36:58is a little desperate right i mean she
0:37:00is trying to make it and and you get
0:37:02that sense like when it later on when
0:37:04it's evening you know she needs to find
0:37:07a way she could tries to go to the hotel
0:37:09and they're like you know what are you
0:37:10talking about you don't have any
0:37:11identification you're just a kid sitting
0:37:13silently with the uneaten sandwich
0:37:15yes well done until until the cat eats
0:37:18as the Sun as the sun goes down you
0:37:20don't need her to talk to the cat back
0:37:22and forth for an entire scene of
0:37:23dialogue oh what are we going to do you
0:37:24I don't know
0:37:25just a bum about you don't need to do
0:37:27that you just need to have her sit there
0:37:28with your arms at your side with food in
0:37:29front of her not eating it and have the
0:37:31Sun going down and then just maybe have
0:37:33the cats a Kiki that's all you need you
0:37:36don't need to spell out what's going on
0:37:39so all that desperation and the feeling
0:37:40when she when she has that moment where
0:37:42the cop is so you stay right here and
0:37:43she's like I'm gonna go this way it's
0:37:45that it's like she's yes he should
0:37:47probably stay right but she's like it's
0:37:49going to be complicated it's gonna ruin
0:37:51her chance and it's again it's it's not
0:37:53a really nasty kind of she's desperate
0:37:57and needs to find a way to survive but
0:37:59that's what's happening here is she's
0:38:01disobeying the police to do think she's
0:38:03worried about most with the cop is that
0:38:05he's going to tell her parents
0:38:06yeah yeah yeah she wants to get on with
0:38:08her life she wants with this new life
0:38:10that she's dedicated herself to doing
0:38:12yeah and also not have her parents find
0:38:14out that she started a wreck also john
0:38:17you talk about that the the beautiful
0:38:19moments a little tiny details that some
0:38:21animator somewhere spent the there's a
0:38:23moment where tambo is in in that scene
0:38:25where he reveals that he cleverly made a
0:38:28diversion
0:38:29he is looking at her and riding his bike
0:38:32and almost runs into a garbage can
0:38:34yeah and has to adjust and go around the
0:38:36garbage can it's just like you don't
0:38:38it's amazing detail that's like that is
0:38:40detail of from a live-action world but
0:38:43they animated the whole thing and you
0:38:44can feel you again you can feel the
0:38:46physics of it you can see that he has to
0:38:48swerve many as to get back his bike back
0:38:50to straight and the b-bumps the garbage
0:38:52can and it and she wants the garbage can
0:38:55but he doesn't like he doesn't like
0:38:56Harpo Marx it into the garbage can know
0:38:58that he's trying to is trying to keep
0:39:00his composure you know I know it sounds
0:39:02silly but it's like I'm still burning
0:39:03off you know 40 years of of watching
0:39:05american cartoons and you know I get a
0:39:07little while and it's funny and it's
0:39:09real and then the movie goes on and
0:39:11tombos interest in her this is this is
0:39:13the you know I more cliche is that we
0:39:15this movie avoids that armors Atomos
0:39:17interest in her is because she is flying
0:39:19it's not while look at this gorgeous new
0:39:21girl that's flown into tent like it
0:39:23the in every other movie that the
0:39:25females only worth is how is how nice
0:39:27she looks and so that the first if you
0:39:29if there's some sort of something that
0:39:31happens at first sight it's like wow
0:39:33look at her like it even something like
0:39:35you know how to train your dragon where
0:39:36what's your name comes walking slow
0:39:37motion with explosion behind
0:39:39I'd like the whole point is she's
0:39:40beautiful and beautiful is is the way
0:39:42women are valuable and therefore and I
0:39:44mean that's fine for what it is but like
0:39:46the in this movie
0:39:48tambo is interested in her because she
0:39:50can fly literally fly and he is obsessed
0:39:52with flying and yes he's obviously you
0:39:54know it
0:39:55interested in our and kind of a
0:39:56boyfriend-girlfriend kind of way as well
0:39:58but that is not the plot of this movie
0:40:00that's not how this movie's gonna be
0:40:01resolved it's not important to this
0:40:03movie and he has a legitimate interest
0:40:04in her that is based on something that
0:40:07she can do that he can't he's just so
0:40:10flying around for pete's sake
0:40:12yeah well there's gonna be a huge party
0:40:15at the Flying Club the aviation club
0:40:18yeah and I've tried at the first couple
0:40:20times the movie I was lumping tambo in
0:40:22with the rich kids but now if you want
0:40:24to look closely like he is he's well off
0:40:26but he's not like the giant house on the
0:40:29cliff overlooking to see well off like
0:40:31his he lives in the sort of middle-class
0:40:34part of town and any place overlooking
0:40:36to us buyers to they all live on the
0:40:39cliff of what I'm talking like the one
0:40:40where they bring the little toy cat
0:40:41where that was like actually i own this
0:40:43entire Peninsula ok for the fashion
0:40:46designer woman who is like the fashion
0:40:48designer woman is not his mother right
0:40:50his mother just a regular person he's
0:40:51got a propeller on his bike his friends
0:40:53cars could piss like is probably the
0:40:55rolls-royce but a beat-up rolls-royce
0:40:57like you know that his friends going so
0:40:58yeah there's this definitely class
0:41:00structure going on here at this point of
0:41:02the movie I i really like that they
0:41:05don't make a big deal about the fact
0:41:06that she's which I mean it's just
0:41:08witches exist in this world and people
0:41:10know about it seems like their influence
0:41:12may be fading you know at least in the
0:41:14big cities but you know the time frame
0:41:16is modern it's like my grandmother told
0:41:18me right at least they have like
0:41:19electric ovens you know so it's not it's
0:41:21not easy but we're not going wrong in
0:41:23the past when which is in talking cat
0:41:24still roamed the land sort of territory
0:41:27key now there's airplanes and electric
0:41:30ovens but they're also old ladies who
0:41:32are suspicious of the electric ovens but
0:41:34that's a good part in the beginning of
0:41:36this movie like when this movie starts
0:41:37you you know from the posters or
0:41:39whatever that's gonna involve the witch
0:41:41riding on a broomstick but if you like
0:41:42my kids into the posters if you just
0:41:44bring a little kid into this clean and
0:41:46you see the mom making potions and stuff
0:41:48like that
0:41:48the movie has to eventually established
0:41:50like the rules of the universe
0:41:52and right up to the point where Kiki you
0:41:55know straddle the broom to leave her
0:41:56house and her hair starts ripping like
0:41:58that you're not sure what's up you're
0:41:59like well as witches and I guess they
0:42:02have dresses it seems like a normal
0:42:03family and they were gonna go camping
0:42:04and yes the moms potions or it's not a
0:42:06big deal but then it's like nope you can
0:42:08actually fly and it's magic is dramatic
0:42:10and it's beautifully animated and you
0:42:12know that is an exciting moment I think
0:42:14in the film for a little kid because
0:42:16they don't know what the rule if you
0:42:17don't show them the poster ahead of time
0:42:18with you shouldn't they don't know what
0:42:20the rules this world are up front and
0:42:21the animation when she takes off is is
0:42:24beautiful and and wonderful and not at
0:42:27all mundane like the act of flight is
0:42:30acknowledged for what it is like this is
0:42:32amazing and everyone who sees you do it
0:42:34to like she just flew did you see I mean
0:42:35it's not like they shouldn't be not
0:42:37falling over like they would be
0:42:38realistically speaking but it is it is
0:42:40given credit as as a important
0:42:43impressive thing through the how long
0:42:46they spend on it and how well it's
0:42:47animated the I was I I'm gonna mention
0:42:50the bakery now and I was trying to prep
0:42:52by its duty upon yeah but it's
0:42:55apparently pronounced gucci keep on
0:42:57which okay ponyo location which is taken
0:42:59from rock-scissors-paper fruit energy
0:43:02balagia haagen-dazs Tanya's bakery what
0:43:05they did in the dub they call the good
0:43:07cooking pan bakery which I thought was
0:43:08clever because they tried to try to get
0:43:09the same sounds into an english we're
0:43:11not the I like so there's all this all
0:43:16connects because for some reason a lady
0:43:19with a baby left the pacifier at the
0:43:22bakery and what let's talk about the
0:43:25first lady with the baby massively
0:43:27pregnant Osan oh yes well that's what i
0:43:29was going to say it so a giant huge
0:43:32pregnant lady comes out of the stores
0:43:34like a lady forgot your uh and so we
0:43:37meet us on oh yeah so what we're in the
0:43:40fifties I know they had two separate
0:43:41beds like i was at Ozzie and Harriet
0:43:43have the separate beds and they have the
0:43:44beds together and I was someone had the
0:43:46best I don't know the history of i
0:43:47cannot tell anybody
0:43:48listen Ricky yeah I seem to recall that
0:43:50like saying the word pregnant on early
0:43:53television was somewhat frowned upon and
0:43:56like in general like acknowledgement of
0:43:58the human reproductive process took a
0:44:00long time to come into live-action
0:44:02television for adults in our country can
0:44:04you think of another car
0:44:05tune that acknowledges human
0:44:07reproduction is a great showing a
0:44:08massively I mean maybe tom and jerry did
0:44:11it because they did a lot of raunchy
0:44:11stuff they're having and pretend to be
0:44:13pregnant at some point I don't know but
0:44:15like it she is it like an ad of the
0:44:18people must move your style is right but
0:44:20she's more or less the anatomically only
0:44:22slightly exaggerated gigantic pregnant
0:44:25moment in a cartoon for children and
0:44:27that shouldn't be impressive because
0:44:28that's how we all got here but so much
0:44:30of it
0:44:32cartoons for children or any program for
0:44:34children does not acknowledge how people
0:44:35come to be at all and this movie doesn't
0:44:38shy away from it and there it is and
0:44:39it's a very important part of the movie
0:44:40because she is one in a long line of
0:44:43potential role models for Kiki which we
0:44:45should get to at some point listing
0:44:46those out and I think that is an
0:44:48important part of the movie that I'm at
0:44:51sad that it's surprising or shocking but
0:44:53this is one phase of one possible phase
0:44:57of a woman's life
0:44:58also let's not forget that in most
0:45:00movies if you have a pregnant lady her
0:45:02being pregnant is an important part of
0:45:04the plot because the title character is
0:45:06that why else would she be pregnant is
0:45:08something is going to happen with her
0:45:10pregnancy and you know what happens in
0:45:12the pregnancy in this
0:45:14nothing is worth over the reddit there's
0:45:17you see that she's now had a baby
0:45:19well it's something some respects it's
0:45:21important because that's why she needs a
0:45:22little help around the beach for sure
0:45:24but I mean it's just not you
0:45:26she could say hey I need some help
0:45:28around the bakery I've been meaning to
0:45:29hire somebody but instead she's a giant
0:45:31presently when it's it's not emblematic
0:45:33of some problem in her relationship or
0:45:37or a big source of tension with no with
0:45:39her mate for the child is not a prophecy
0:45:42baby will have to hope they will bring
0:45:44the end of the world that we know John
0:45:46that we know right it's not it's not
0:45:47going to be secretly that's the Kings
0:45:50baby and there's nothing like that one
0:45:52of the things i do notice is that what
0:45:53only one of Gigi's cats kittens
0:45:57yeah black kitten and that black kitten
0:45:58comes with him to learn so that he can
0:46:01be presumably a kitten or a black cattle
0:46:04of the future which and I thought our
0:46:05the baby will be the next gen and I
0:46:08thought no this is not i gotta stop that
0:46:10means gigi is a horrible racist
0:46:11teammates with a white puffy cat needs a
0:46:14black not puffy but he does it once it
0:46:17when one kid got his
0:46:18mastic jeans the other ones are nice and
0:46:20composed and that one is this path
0:46:22station after the thread and fallin also
0:46:23in this universe the boy cats are all
0:46:25black and not puffy and the girl cats
0:46:27are all white and puffy
0:46:29I think that's cool what we learned
0:46:30small sample size
0:46:32yeah those are the only cats we see
0:46:34really so i could be wrong
0:46:35there's another can actually on the the
0:46:37other witches broom stick at the
0:46:38beginning yeah used to be female
0:46:40yes baby back at like stuck stuck up cat
0:46:43stuck-up witch
0:46:45yeah so I sano it was her role that the
0:46:49the panoply of role models that are
0:46:51presented to Kiki throughout this movie
0:46:52she's kind of in the middle here and
0:46:54she's showing the possibilities of
0:46:56motherhood
0:46:56this is one thing you can do is a woman
0:46:58as you can you give birth
0:46:59she's a business owner yes she's
0:47:02assertive I she is is not like as you
0:47:06mentioned not not sort of no pun
0:47:08intended coward by her pregnancy and she
0:47:10is pregnant she's pregnant but continues
0:47:14to to do all the things that she does
0:47:16she's also kind and charitable to Kiki
0:47:19but also expects her to you know to to
0:47:21work and earn her keep
0:47:23you know she's not just sitting in a
0:47:24rocking chair like standing herself and
0:47:26exhaling right exactly and even even at
0:47:30the end of the movie when she gives
0:47:32birth she's standing on the hill
0:47:33weatherhead up to her you know shielding
0:47:35her brow looking at Kiki flying through
0:47:37the air and the husband has the baby and
0:47:39is feeding it right but this is one
0:47:41possible future for Kiki I up until that
0:47:44moment are we even sure that he's her
0:47:45husband
0:47:46yeah it took me a while i think is great
0:47:47i didn't get that was another about on
0:47:49the screen
0:47:50baking is this is a strong silent type
0:47:53clearly it was a particle he's working
0:47:55there to like he's making sure that the
0:47:57two of them have a business together
0:47:59sure I guess what bun in the oven get it
0:48:01went to bakers love each other very much
0:48:03too so maybe he's just helping out at
0:48:05the end but is that how it works is that
0:48:07there's a man and a woman and there's a
0:48:08baby is that I don't know this mayne
0:48:10ever seen as an animated film before
0:48:11interesting but you're right in a lesser
0:48:14film the the thing at the end that it
0:48:16allows Kiki to fly again would have been
0:48:18you know the the emergency pregnancy as
0:48:21as opposed to the Zeppelin you know
0:48:22which of courses for college if it does
0:48:24have a convenient timing was like they
0:48:26have as the movies ending we need to get
0:48:27her into labor she's like okay time to
0:48:29go
0:48:29you know right but I mean yeah it's
0:48:31still totally incidental it just happens
0:48:33to happen at that point it's it's not
0:48:35the focus of the film although she is
0:48:38still rather Zeppelin like come to think
0:48:39of it
0:48:40yeah I think she might have been a
0:48:41second so the first the first throw
0:48:43model the interstate his life is there
0:48:45besides her parents when she leaves home
0:48:46is the other girl in the broom who shows
0:48:48like at the end of your year which
0:48:50training this could be you you know
0:48:52worldly-wise but also a little bit
0:48:54stuck-up and full of herself and she
0:48:56goes into a town that smaller than the
0:48:58town to keep you will eventually end up
0:48:59in there is a difference in the dialogue
0:49:01between English and Japanese of as to
0:49:03whether kinky like is this town big and
0:49:06impressive to Kiki does the stuck-up you
0:49:08only think it's big and Kiki doesn't
0:49:10believe that or whatever but this is
0:49:13she's seeing a potential of her future
0:49:15self and deciding perhaps that she
0:49:17doesn't want to end up like that whereas
0:49:18when she sees asano this is another
0:49:20possibility that she may not want to
0:49:21look like that either but it is a a
0:49:23nicer possibility yes but it's funny
0:49:26it's like almost like you know what you
0:49:28can have one which every town it's like
0:49:30a mime or something it's like we can
0:49:32have one of these in town it's not
0:49:33really that like overwhelmingly weird
0:49:35the thing that really differentiates
0:49:36arisen that she's a witch is that she's
0:49:38a pumpkin
0:49:39you know what i mean and she doesn't
0:49:40include provincial right yes I mean yeah
0:49:43yeah she's a country mouse and the the
0:49:46witch with a green eyed cat has clearly
0:49:47she's figured out her trade and it's
0:49:49very proud of having done that and again
0:49:52key expires that again that's just a
0:49:54little bit of pot pushing forward of
0:49:55like how much she really wants to
0:49:57succeed at this she wants she wants to
0:49:58be a big kid she's been waiting for this
0:49:59thing to happen and and i think that i
0:50:02don't know i think that that they do a
0:50:04nice job of not over doing that with her
0:50:06character but it really well establishes
0:50:08that she's very motivated to try and
0:50:10make it in this place even she has no
0:50:12reason to think that she would succeed
0:50:13there she's not swept along by the plot
0:50:15either every part of this movie she is
0:50:18an active participant in making happen
0:50:19she decides that she wants to leave even
0:50:21though she had previously planned the
0:50:22next night she decides it's going to be
0:50:23clear night full moon I want to leave
0:50:25now she tries to take her broom and like
0:50:27her mother
0:50:28search the last little bit of motherhood
0:50:29before she leaves you know like she her
0:50:31actions drive this plot forward her
0:50:33decisions and her wanting to do things
0:50:35she's not like suddenly caught up in an
0:50:37adventure that she's swept along in or
0:50:39what
0:50:39she liked it you know compared to like
0:50:41kind of billboard like has adventure
0:50:43thrust upon him she makes all these
0:50:45changes in her life happen but through
0:50:47food deciding to do something if I were
0:50:49that helicopter dad though I mean I
0:50:51guess maybe the cats are familiar or
0:50:52something but i would have really given
0:50:54her driving skills I would have tried to
0:50:55talk her out of driving with a cat on
0:50:57the broom yeah you can get back the
0:50:59vision on that how that goes once you
0:51:00teach your daughter how to drive and how
0:51:02and how accepting this issue of your
0:51:04instruction well she did at least listen
0:51:06to his admonition that she should make
0:51:08the cat to in the radio while she yeah
0:51:10that's right the cat is there is the
0:51:12kind of that song that is such a great
0:51:14pop song which wondering what the
0:51:16Japanese Japanese only the Japanese one
0:51:18yeah although I i'm curious about what
0:51:20the theme song is saying but I it's got
0:51:21to be something that's totally on the
0:51:22nose it's a very fifty sock-hop gonna
0:51:25know it's from it isn't it from I
0:51:27thought I run the fact that essentially
0:51:28is actually a pop song from the
0:51:30seventies yeah but the style the Royal
0:51:32is a a fifties saw cop yeah well I mean
0:51:35it in the seventies and even Japan loves
0:51:38to make their own invitation versions of
0:51:39you know fifties American about a woman
0:51:42who's going to tell her boyfriend's
0:51:44mother about him and get him in trouble
0:51:46and admonished I think it's the thrust
0:51:48is what's called what's the song called
0:51:49rogue group called i was on youtube you
0:51:54can go and don't have a confront what's
0:51:55the song like that the the song that
0:51:57they replaced it with in the previous
0:51:58one is it just puts it like the most in
0:52:01most cases i don't like when they
0:52:03replace the Japanese song with an
0:52:04English with an entirely different songs
0:52:05it's usually terrible but the songs this
0:52:07one are not they're not super terrible
0:52:11its jail
0:52:13yeah it say that it's an incredibly
0:52:14generic happy disney pop right around
0:52:18the not but that insulting
0:52:20yeah they're not insulting there not
0:52:22knowing that that the lyrics are not
0:52:24insulting Lee ridiculous right I'm
0:52:26actually disappointed that those that's
0:52:28it that's an actual pop song i was i was
0:52:29totally thinking the lyrics were like
0:52:31along the lines of kikis flagging not
0:52:33broomstick engine has a cat could be
0:52:37your actual silver a town which is a
0:52:39place where people these encountering
0:52:41problems with where they're a
0:52:43the riches here come see girls watch out
0:52:47for the boot keep it going to get you
0:52:51can't turn the radio down because here's
0:52:54another witch but yeah guess that's not
0:52:57it they are light with the exposition
0:52:59label I appreciate that
0:53:01sorry I'm trying to imagine what the
0:53:03bridge of that song is about crows in
0:53:04some way by good and they can memorize
0:53:08faces and pick us left in this year in
0:53:12August has learned to deal with them
0:53:14yeah in those scenes with the speaking
0:53:15of the crows like this is another thing
0:53:17in the in the grand tradition of totoro
0:53:18where again that the faces in this movie
0:53:20are miyazaki faces they're not realistic
0:53:23human looking faces there you know kind
0:53:25of in-between they're not they're not
0:53:26taught entirely cartoonish but the
0:53:29animals are frighteningly realistic like
0:53:31they look like they're all like little
0:53:33cow
0:53:34yeah the cow the crows the goat who
0:53:36wants the corner into a road just like
0:53:37frighteningly dead on realistic has been
0:53:40terrifying and again it's like that's
0:53:43you know how it a little kid powered a
0:53:46child see a bird squawking your face it
0:53:48would be terrifying when you see burn up
0:53:50close like that they're scary little
0:53:52dinosaurs
0:53:53it's terrifying when you're an adult I
0:53:54hate him hate birds
0:53:56well and there's those talons on that
0:53:59thing is it's sort of scratching at her
0:54:00when she falls into the tree that it
0:54:02really is very scary all the somebody's
0:54:04basis now for some reason to keep
0:54:05thinking of house moving castle a tour
0:54:07or howl's moving castle and what's the
0:54:11one with mom and castle in the sky like
0:54:15I love the straight-on it's almost like
0:54:18his Kubrick shot is a shot of somebody
0:54:20looking at the camera looking extremely
0:54:22determined with their face set whether
0:54:24that somebody just got punched in the
0:54:25stomach
0:54:26whether it's somebody's trying to fly
0:54:27something that's you know I mean there's
0:54:29there's a certain kind of me I don't
0:54:30know that's an amazing or miyazaki thing
0:54:32but I is his characters are artists
0:54:35imbued with their silence but their
0:54:37faces just have so much purposefulness
0:54:40to them you know you don't get that with
0:54:42Fred and Barney I'm gonna I'm gonna
0:54:43mention something that i noticed this
0:54:45time I think that that I haven't noticed
0:54:47before which is when she gets when when
0:54:50key goes with the the artist back to the
0:54:53woods to her artists retreat with the
0:54:56crows
0:54:57parkrose alright we've got off on the
0:55:00wrong foot last time I hope you don't
0:55:01pick my eyes out this time haha I'm my
0:55:04cabin deep in the woods i'll show you my
0:55:06etchings yeah seriously there is she's a
0:55:08very does the artist is a very sensual
0:55:10person is what I'm saying these little
0:55:11boys don't have legs that look like this
0:55:13although it bothers me a little bit that
0:55:16she's basically a very tall may from
0:55:18totoro she's also kind of hot and that
0:55:21make it very uncomfortable yeah that
0:55:22makes me uncomfy about I was she says
0:55:24these these legs I'm like or the boobs
0:55:26you could have mentioned the boobs and
0:55:28not the legs but ok this is not a boy
0:55:31you picked up here hitchhiking and
0:55:32another one of miyazaki's really big
0:55:34laugher here this explosion of left i
0:55:39love that I love that take that win it
0:55:41when it's somebody I'm thinking very
0:55:43seriously about this and I said
0:55:44something very serious long pause and
0:55:46then haha ah i love that that is so
0:55:50great
0:55:50actually I realize that's an anime true
0:55:52but that's going to actually sort of
0:55:53bothers me because there's so much
0:55:55realism in these movies and then that
0:55:56just that that consoles me out of it
0:55:58there's a little bit like like it works
0:56:00in the scene like for example with
0:56:02whether the propeller bike crashes and
0:56:04like are you okay like that is a place
0:56:06where there is tension you're worried
0:56:07but then once you see everyone's okay
0:56:09there is a release that much like that
0:56:11part's realistic that's what he told
0:56:12about the you know the artist too
0:56:14because I felt like that was Kiki being
0:56:15very serious and the artist is like
0:56:17totally deflate services like now it's
0:56:19fine you know that's you're worried
0:56:20about too much too much
0:56:22there's a bit earlier that when she has
0:56:23the flu and she asked if she's gonna die
0:56:25and no you have to responsible
0:56:27oh yeah oh oh yeah laughing a little kid
0:56:31you know that kid cracks you up when
0:56:33they say something like most adults are
0:56:35better at holding it in like when your
0:56:36kid something cute and silly like that
0:56:38you don't have right in their face but
0:56:39osanna was really good areas and hostess
0:56:42it's just so over-the-top accountant me
0:56:43out of it so I was gonna say we turn our
0:56:45faces
0:56:46it looks to me like when the the artist
0:56:49is sketching keys face that we see more
0:56:52detail in the sketch of a canyon face
0:56:56then the actual faces are in the moon
0:56:59because they're because they're stylized
0:57:00then you don't need that many lines like
0:57:02that's that that's the economy of the
0:57:04miyazaki faces there I'm
0:57:05able to view such incredible emotion
0:57:07with so few lines like that's the
0:57:09artistry of it and when she drives it is
0:57:10a sketchy like we don't you know you see
0:57:12all these details like whoa where's that
0:57:13coming from like you don't need those
0:57:15days and we don't see that level of
0:57:16resolution if you live in this world you
0:57:18see the full resolution of people but we
0:57:20we don't see that so I thought that was
0:57:21what was her name Ursula right
0:57:23personally have the artist so she she is
0:57:26another possibility for Kiki's future
0:57:28saying yeah he is an independent woman
0:57:30living on her own you know chasing her
0:57:33artistic music became self-sufficient
0:57:36confident a little bit eccentric able to
0:57:39indulge in her eccentricities and and
0:57:42unique but you know and not living in
0:57:44the city living outside the city but
0:57:45occasionally traveling into it and she
0:57:46comes in a little bit like a pumpkin
0:57:48with a straw hat and a big backpack too
0:57:49but that's okay
0:57:50and I that seems they have what there is
0:57:53another section of the movie where it's
0:57:56like what cut all this out why is this
0:57:58here getting on the bus but there hurry
0:58:01up the bus is late walking onto the bus
0:58:03sitting in the back of the bus and
0:58:04getting to share some candy has Kiki
0:58:06ever had candy before in her life we
0:58:07don't know bubblegum she even know what
0:58:09that is passing over the little gumballs
0:58:11eating them walking up the really big
0:58:13hill getting to the top of the really
0:58:14big hill turning around and looking at
0:58:16the town below you like there's like
0:58:18seven scenes and they're like what's
0:58:19going on this i know they're traveling
0:58:21background cut to her house we need to
0:58:22have a dialogue that brings no this is
0:58:24the movie like this this trip back with
0:58:26this moment is what is what this entire
0:58:28movie is about its you can get you can't
0:58:30cut that out and just bring them right
0:58:31to the cabin where they can have a
0:58:32conversation and you're gonna get the
0:58:34cabinet's like to talk about her losing
0:58:35her magic so I guess that's a plot point
0:58:37but the movie is happening when they're
0:58:39when she's getting the gumballs in the
0:58:41bus the movie is happening when when the
0:58:43bus is pulling away and it's viewed out
0:58:45the window and the bus lurches and you
0:58:47can see the scenery go up and then down
0:58:48like that that's this movie for me all
0:58:51those parts was also going outside the
0:58:53the and getting a little genetic I you
0:58:55know was reading up a little bit and it
0:58:57makes it sound like the people can read
0:59:00this on Wikipedia but there are some
0:59:02travails with taking this original book
0:59:04there wasn't a director attached to it
0:59:06for a long time miyazaki was busy with
0:59:07totoro and they're trying to decide what
0:59:09to do with this and apparently the book
0:59:11is a pretty straightforward but it's
0:59:13episodic like here's the story
0:59:15here's another story at all in parallel
0:59:16they're mostly it sounds kind of
0:59:18independent
0:59:18an encyclopedia brown kind of thing and
0:59:20then and-and-and miyazaki introduces the
0:59:23one who when he attached himself to it
0:59:25as director is the one that added the
0:59:27whole ending that brings it all together
0:59:29but originally I guess jacket that that
0:59:31it was basically just about this is
0:59:32shallower was a kids story with em with
0:59:34a character who's a witch who delivers
0:59:36things and she can have various
0:59:37adventures that are shallow nature and
0:59:39miyazaki turned into a coming-of-age
0:59:40story basically yeah yeah and so we give
0:59:44it some of the episodic stuff with like
0:59:46the heavy package and all of that and
0:59:47the unholy lucky and that awesome dog
0:59:51when windows that dog great i love that
0:59:53a chef and sort of depressing friends
0:59:56people all the whole family whole family
0:59:58is talking about how he's basically
0:59:58is talking about how he's basically
1:00:00the plant one foot in the grave thank
1:00:01you buddy but he's smarter than they
1:00:03think yeah that's right he's a little
1:00:05dog he moved slowly that's well hit me
1:00:08in the in the isn't in the subtitle
1:00:11version isn't like that amazing dog that
1:00:13fantastic dog that fabulous dog
1:00:17something like that yeah he they take
1:00:19him
1:00:19they underestimate the family does Jeff
1:00:21the dog and just because he slowed
1:00:23doesn't mean he doesn't know exactly
1:00:24what's going on and he you know he
1:00:26rescues GG from the other it is a nice
1:00:30smile about Hillary yeah with when gigi
1:00:32is pretending to be a toy they make him
1:00:34you know comically toy like and stiff
1:00:36and then when when Jeff like puts him
1:00:38down on the ground he's a real cat again
1:00:40and runs away like a real cat right it's
1:00:42just like the doggies dog ever it was so
1:00:44great the way with so gently
1:00:46it really looks really look like a dog
1:00:48now I don't I gotta jump in here the ok
1:00:51so so she let me just ask is is for
1:00:56practical purposes is Gigi really
1:00:58talking to kiki is Gigi in this case
1:01:02talking to Jeff is it doesn't matter
1:01:04because like I I this is the first time
1:01:06i watched where I thought I got a little
1:01:07bit little bit six cents with it and I
1:01:09was thinking maybe she doesn't really
1:01:12talk maybe that's all just in Key said
1:01:14and then the two versions know he's like
1:01:16my cock state-owned he definitely well
1:01:19first off he definitely talk to other
1:01:20animals i think that's I think that sort
1:01:22of assumed in this is that the animals
1:01:24all can talk to each other that's not
1:01:25just kicking my engineer them talking to
1:01:27each other but because we realize like
1:01:29what I talked to this and then with the
1:01:31dog we see it early on there's a seam
1:01:33where at least in the subtitle there's
1:01:38an old an old woman I think who says
1:01:41something like oh well he said this and
1:01:43I think it's referring I wish I'd
1:01:45written it down
1:01:46I think it's referring to G and I was
1:01:47like haha i think this is implying that
1:01:50some people can hear the cats some you
1:01:53know old cat ladies and witches can hear
1:01:56the cats when they talk scrapbookers the
1:01:59impression that she she could understand
1:02:02the cat only as long as she needed to
1:02:03understand the cat for his assistance
1:02:05she's kind of coming into the world and
1:02:07and growing up at that at the point
1:02:10where she suddenly has sort of made the
1:02:12transition
1:02:13too but that's not when he stops talking
1:02:14to restarting her when she loses
1:02:16confidence and she loses her powers and
1:02:18her ability to fly you know when she
1:02:20becomes but she's not she's lost her
1:02:22confidence because she's the reality of
1:02:24her situation in the fact that she's
1:02:26kind of alone in the big world has come
1:02:27to her
1:02:28well that's so my theory and focuses on
1:02:30past shows is that when she loses her
1:02:32magic is essentially her hitting puberty
1:02:34like yep we're gonna go all the way and
1:02:37yeah you know she got her period that's
1:02:38that's what I was wondering what I was
1:02:40thinking yesterday i 100% like what
1:02:42that's what it's a stand-in for higher
1:02:44she wants to lay down its bigger because
1:02:47like it's you know it all comes to a
1:02:49head at that point it's like childhood
1:02:51is ending and here is your here's your
1:02:53outward biological sign of that and it's
1:02:55her treatment of thombo should have been
1:02:57a dead giveaway and and now it all comes
1:03:00to a head and you have to realize you
1:03:01there's no going back you have to figure
1:03:03out this new world you have to put what
1:03:05it is that's making you upset seeing
1:03:07those rich kids what's making you feel
1:03:09like you don't fit in and or do you just
1:03:11have to work but some people don't have
1:03:12to work but you do but then what what
1:03:14you know like all those things and those
1:03:17things are happening in her head she is
1:03:18not dramatic about she's not writing in
1:03:20her diary and and bawling constantly and
1:03:23screaming at people it's all like it and
1:03:25it's aight thanks so much more realistic
1:03:27and more affecting that way and that's
1:03:29when she starts to lose her magic stuff
1:03:32and what's the first thing you should do
1:03:33if she wants she tries to regain it was
1:03:35running down the hill like I gotta I
1:03:36gotta get it back i got it like and you
1:03:38can't you can't go back that way you can
1:03:39only you can only go forward and trying
1:03:41to taiji get into that whether it's the
1:03:43Japanese GG or the or the you know Phil
1:03:46Hartman one I don't think either one of
1:03:48them ties in that well because like it
1:03:51you know so everything is in the
1:03:53american one when she gets her powers
1:03:55back at the end she can hear Phil
1:03:56Hartman again and then japanese one she
1:03:58can't hear full of you can't hear Jeezy
1:04:00again she just sounds like a cat and an
1:04:02economist and version of the disney tub
1:04:04he does you don't hear ya Hartman he's
1:04:06gone
1:04:07yep didn't say meow didn't say that he
1:04:12said but she like I don't like I don't
1:04:14think that's integral because I think
1:04:15all you all you need to know is that she
1:04:18has come through the other side that
1:04:19she's got her her magic power you know
1:04:22she is she's doing its self
1:04:23actualization that should come through
1:04:24that and whether she still needs
1:04:26got to be there or not I don't think
1:04:28it's that big of a deal because even in
1:04:29the japanese one she's not leaning on
1:04:31the cat and he's not like her dad or her
1:04:33ego out there talking he's just kind of
1:04:35there as part of the movie but it's not
1:04:38a big interview like the two of them are
1:04:39not a team he is the whites cracking
1:04:41sidekick you get even
1:04:43yea even in the japanese one he is not
1:04:45like integral so they they didn't
1:04:48connect GG to her in a way that admit
1:04:50that it makes him symbolic of something
1:04:52that she has to leave behind i don't
1:04:53think the Japanese one I agree I agree
1:04:56with you I think I think it's actually
1:04:58kind of weird to see that connection
1:05:00because I I don't
1:05:01yeah I don't we left sort of wondering
1:05:04well why does he stop she talking again
1:05:07at the end I'm you know I I sounds
1:05:09non-canonical but I mean that makes it a
1:05:11lesser movie to me for him to be hurt
1:05:14again
1:05:15you don't wanna wait wait but we don't
1:05:16know the rules of the universe getting
1:05:17back to whether he's talking or not we
1:05:18don't know if the rules of the universe
1:05:20are as described in things like well you
1:05:22know it's not not witch magic the letter
1:05:24here and it's actually because they were
1:05:25raised together or whatever like that
1:05:27really sort of like dicks think of the
1:05:28dust mites in totoro but that's a
1:05:31different universe where like this
1:05:32universe we were established the adults
1:05:34can see and accept magical things we're
1:05:36into her own and not as never
1:05:38established in total there is no adults
1:05:40and as a witch flying by and we all see
1:05:41it acknowledged that yes there are such
1:05:43things as witches and yes they can fly
1:05:44like the rules are clearly established
1:05:46that magic is part of this realistic
1:05:47world now whether the cat physics that I
1:05:49don't know but like in totoro that's all
1:05:51like you could say you know
1:05:53no adults have pay any attention to that
1:05:54that could all be in their heads and a
1:05:56perfectly fit so I feel like once you
1:05:57have a world where witches are flying
1:05:59around talking cat is not out of the
1:06:01question at all but it is sort of
1:06:03tentative is the relationship between
1:06:04key and gigi is the fact that he stops
1:06:07talking at some point clearly feels like
1:06:09well this is because she's transitioning
1:06:11she's growing up and at the end for him
1:06:14to come in and speak again it just feels
1:06:16like you know oh we couldn't we couldn't
1:06:17make the kids it makes it a double
1:06:19vanities different movie i don't i don't
1:06:21agree because i think that she again I
1:06:24feel like the shutdown of his voice is
1:06:27when she loses confidence and so the way
1:06:30i read this is she she's not losing chef
1:06:35lose the ability to fly she loses it
1:06:37temporarily and then she gets it back
1:06:38and those two things happening
1:06:40mauritania slee to me i think i connect
1:06:43them and I say this is not you know the
1:06:46world has gotten her and she's never
1:06:47going to hear the cat again but she's
1:06:49going to be able to fly again how is
1:06:50that she gets the one and not the other
1:06:52so she came back because she's grown as
1:06:53a person and now she's she's she's
1:06:55flying for her own internal inspiration
1:06:58it all depends on why you think she
1:06:59could hear the cabinet being right if
1:07:01you think she could hear the cat because
1:07:02it was part of her witch's powers then
1:07:04you feel like she when she gets her
1:07:05powers back against your comments about
1:07:06you hear the cap but if you if you think
1:07:08that she hears the cat when she's
1:07:09younger because it's just a way that
1:07:11young it's sort of like the total like a
1:07:13way young people comfort themselves with
1:07:14something imaginary and suddenly she
1:07:16finds herself growing up to the point
1:07:17where it's like you know what I don't
1:07:18believe in Santa anymore and office on
1:07:20the cat is just a meowing thing then you
1:07:22don't want her to hear the cat at the
1:07:23end because that would be a regression
1:07:25and that's why I think what Marilyn's
1:07:26coming from
1:07:26I thought I thought the key yeah
1:07:28definitely i'm free i thank god for four
1:07:30years of college I I felt like it wasn't
1:07:33like an imaginary friend that but was an
1:07:35imaginary friend that was we real kind
1:07:37of and then and then when it's called a
1:07:39friend Mario enough friend which one of
1:07:41my imaginary friend that is real is a
1:07:43friend that i think that's that's a
1:07:46contradiction in terms of topping hang
1:07:49on just made club is is the cat but the
1:07:52real forget really talking about with
1:07:54the whole movie though basically being
1:07:56her growing up it to me it felt like she
1:07:58gets her flying back that's good there
1:08:00are some things you know that you can
1:08:01maybe revisit as you get older and
1:08:03there's some things will never be the
1:08:04same again and me the cat was one of
1:08:06those things that you know that's just
1:08:08how it's not how it is now you're not
1:08:10gonna be able to your cat's about you
1:08:11but it shouldn't be because she no
1:08:13longer has the magic ability has to be
1:08:15because the cat was never talking to her
1:08:17and it was just something that children
1:08:19do to play pretend to comfort themselves
1:08:20during her transition that's why it was
1:08:22so shocking when you know why you just
1:08:25meowing why are you talking like a cat
1:08:26it's like the cat has always been
1:08:27talking there's never been a Santa you
1:08:29just you didn't know that or it could
1:08:31simply be that when she was young she
1:08:32had a need to understand what the cat
1:08:34was telling her and now she doesn't
1:08:36here's what i would say she can't she
1:08:38shouldn't lose the ability to hear the
1:08:39cat and fly at the same time they should
1:08:43be there too much in sync and there's no
1:08:45occasionally they happen at the same
1:08:47time it would be better if she can still
1:08:49talk to the cat and then at the end when
1:08:51she has grown up and succeeded and he
1:08:53is his cat family and all that that
1:08:56maybe then she can't hear him anymore
1:08:58and it's a sign that she's growing up
1:08:59because they happen simultaneously
1:09:01you're in this weird part where it's
1:09:03like you know why did why did these two
1:09:06things happen and does she get both mile
1:09:09my logic in that situation she gets both
1:09:11of them back but there's a third there's
1:09:13a third part to this that I hope we can
1:09:15semi agree it was part of what makes
1:09:16this so great is that you know in in a
1:09:18lot of other movies that were told in
1:09:20this way with the style with this story
1:09:22it would have been something that
1:09:24tactically said she's ok so there's that
1:09:27we should also point out the wonderful
1:09:28inversion of that the heartbreaking
1:09:30scene where she can't fly
1:09:32she's looking up at the sky and she sees
1:09:34this up and going yeah combo in it and
1:09:35it's just a perfectly encapsulates the
1:09:37sort of feeling of being 13 years old I
1:09:39mean and losing your mojo but it kind of
1:09:41green road Zeppelin's are encompass my
1:09:44my 13 year old self perfectly you don't
1:09:47know where that Zeppelin's going you
1:09:49don't know how inflated this up it's
1:09:50gonna be me right into things that might
1:09:52be a little kid big way that sometimes
1:09:54it's pointing up at we're down the
1:09:55sexual desire like not sure why
1:09:58yeah you don't know it's like snow and
1:10:01then you fly into the Clocktower and
1:10:02deflate land on a building
1:10:04how many inches or how long but the but
1:10:07the thing is it's kinda cool though they
1:10:08don't really hit the accelerator on the
1:10:10whole like oh she's saving a man and
1:10:13it's the love of her life and that you
1:10:15know I didn't get that out of this and i
1:10:17love that I you know because you could
1:10:19so that all up way too tightly where
1:10:21it's like oh now she's discovered like
1:10:23she's got to save a boy and that now old
1:10:25in a muscle top now she's really in the
1:10:27post-credit sequence would be their
1:10:28wedding but it is not their weddings the
1:10:30Flying Club she's out there on the broom
1:10:32flying they're all flying it that the
1:10:34the prize at the end is that she gets to
1:10:36be a person in society with friends
1:10:38yeah she's it finally a degree we're
1:10:40getting married now married now
1:10:42well thatthat's throughout that I mean
1:10:44that that's one of the fascinating
1:10:45things that rings so true it's it defies
1:10:48all logic and yet simultaneously rings
1:10:51true which is that scene where she
1:10:53they've survived their ridiculous bike
1:10:57propeller incident and um and they're
1:11:01laughing and then the kids in the car
1:11:03drive up and he he's buddies with them
1:11:06he's buddies with her
1:11:07he thinks this is all going to be fine
1:11:08and she's like I'm out of here right and
1:11:11then she buy and then she goes back and
1:11:13she she plants herself and this is she's
1:11:15she it is this is I mean this is being a
1:11:17teenager right it's she is amazingly
1:11:20lonely and yet when given the option to
1:11:23get involved in this
1:11:25she was she's like no way and walks away
1:11:27to be she's walking away from people and
1:11:29then being sad that she's alone which is
1:11:31so illogical and yet so completely true
1:11:34it's a good movie and you know it's a
1:11:35thing there's there's so many like these
1:11:37these kind of money shots in miyazaki
1:11:39movie one of the things I think you have
1:11:40to make your peace and and I think Josh
1:11:42but this very well in the past is it and
1:11:44probably in better words than this but
1:11:45that you have to make your peace with
1:11:47the fact that there's gonna be stuff
1:11:48that comes up in these movies it's never
1:11:50really fully explained and there's never
1:11:52know you could sit there and you can
1:11:53have these Talmudic debates about it but
1:11:55a big part of what makes these kinds of
1:11:57music these movies so magical and again
1:11:59i'm thinking of how i'm thinking of
1:12:01castle in the sky i'm thinking about all
1:12:02these movies are not princess monokey
1:12:04but just be these things that happened a
1:12:06certain way and that's that's just how
1:12:08it is but it's you know how the
1:12:09characters react to that and I don't
1:12:11know that makes it still makes it so
1:12:13great and keeps it to you to use that
1:12:15word that so overused magical like why
1:12:17did that happen we don't know why it's a
1:12:18movie yeah I love that the big probably
1:12:21the biggest single blow to Kiki at least
1:12:23in the middle part of the movie is she
1:12:25goes through all the trouble to to make
1:12:27the the dreadful sounding herring and
1:12:29pumpkin pie
1:12:30oh man for grandma goes out fishes out
1:12:32the firework and Stokes up the old brick
1:12:34oven and cook the thing up and put in
1:12:37all this work and then there's the whole
1:12:38panic or she has to go in the rain and
1:12:41probably the worst blow to her is the
1:12:43fact that it in the whole film is the
1:12:45fact that she gets there and the girl
1:12:46says I hate grandma's supplies and slams
1:12:49the door in your face and that was it
1:12:51another two role models for her the old
1:12:53widow woman who lives by herself but has
1:12:56still has a certain dignity and lives
1:12:58with her friends / lover Bertha right
1:13:01just got four right and the horny
1:13:03twisted lady that loves footage exactly
1:13:05crash and cases i'll take your broom
1:13:09dear
1:13:09so she can go down the hallway and
1:13:10pretend to ride the broom
1:13:12she's a wild about lighter than air
1:13:13travel she's
1:13:15bullet that was a great scene where
1:13:17she's she's caught on the broomstick
1:13:19again they don't show her sneaking over
1:13:20there whatever they just cut her and
1:13:21what she's doing she's on the broom
1:13:23pretending to be which is so that her
1:13:24granddaughter it's the same girl that
1:13:26she saw the same rich girl what they saw
1:13:28in tombos group of friends and you know
1:13:30she got what she sees her later and
1:13:32that's I think that's really what kills
1:13:34her at the end when when he calls her
1:13:36over and she realizes that that's the
1:13:37girl who was so horribly ungrateful
1:13:39after all the work program and she's all
1:13:41beautifully dressed up and it's her
1:13:43birthday party and there is a party and
1:13:44she's not going to be going to run
1:13:46because she's drenched now and that girl
1:13:48is is ungrateful and this is all like at
1:13:50that moment she feels like her lowest of
1:13:52low but later on they you know the sort
1:13:55of the snootiness of that girl are the
1:13:56girls on it
1:13:57sports she's spoiled she's
1:13:58unappreciative that's what one of the
1:14:00things that brings Kiki around
1:14:01understanding i don't want to be that
1:14:03girl like that's that's one of that you
1:14:05know that there's females in every
1:14:07single age range she encountered
1:14:08encounters female to female to female
1:14:09from someone's her age 21 slightly older
1:14:12to you know the personalized like
1:14:15they've got the entire age range of
1:14:17women mapped out and every one of them
1:14:18keys looking at and again you never see
1:14:21this movie talk about you don't see
1:14:22movies female protagonist and even if
1:14:24you do see it the female protagonist is
1:14:25in a world of men and this shows
1:14:28Oh a girl and what she sees in the world
1:14:31is all the other women because that's
1:14:33what she's trying to figure out who am I
1:14:34going to be what am I gonna be like
1:14:35she's not going to look at them to the
1:14:36men to figure this out and it you know
1:14:38it's so shocking just because everything
1:14:40water movies is man and about men in the
1:14:42world of men and women as accessories or
1:14:44or it's about or it's about showing up
1:14:45that bitch like that's the other thing
1:14:47if you're gonna know if you're going to
1:14:48have known with women in it is going to
1:14:50be the central working girl thing where
1:14:52you've got to have this this this big
1:14:54tension between the underdog that we
1:14:56love and this hottie person who needs to
1:14:58be brought down because they're making
1:14:59this person feel bad and and that that
1:15:01is used for the amount of effect is
1:15:03necessary here but then it doesn't turn
1:15:05into something whether doing like a you
1:15:07know death becomes her kind of
1:15:09one-upmanship in fact the reaction that
1:15:11Kiki has is not what I expect from her
1:15:13right so she goes to all this trouble
1:15:14goes through the rain with this terrible
1:15:17hearing and pumpkin pie we with a
1:15:19picture of a fish on it and and just
1:15:22like I hate grandma's you close the door
1:15:24close the door and instead of keeping
1:15:26like boy you know what what an awful
1:15:28person that was
1:15:29she says wow I can't believe she's
1:15:31related to that nice lady i love that
1:15:34that is so great because that's what
1:15:35that's what she's not personally
1:15:37offended
1:15:38she feels bad for for granny that's who
1:15:40she feels bad for like right she's so
1:15:42nice and this person is not but she
1:15:45feels also like lower than low like the
1:15:48trans the disparity because she's the
1:15:50delivery girl she's drenched she's and
1:15:53they also doesn't like our overriding
1:15:54robe is unfashionable yeah it's just and
1:15:58she tries like she's so hard like all
1:15:59but it's wet now it's like I work really
1:16:01hard to the food came through ok you
1:16:03know give it a try like she's so she's
1:16:05so good Kiki and like and she's forced
1:16:08it to do all these things it's just you
1:16:10know and Jason you mentioned before like
1:16:12out your loan and when invited you you
1:16:14turn down the invitation then you feel
1:16:15alone
1:16:16it's that a similar scene like that
1:16:18which also ranked true to me early on in
1:16:19the movie where tambo gives her the
1:16:21invitation says miss which on it yes and
1:16:24in english in the movie
1:16:26yeah getting an invitation to be to go
1:16:29to a social event is like the most
1:16:30terrifying thing that could happen to
1:16:31her and she immediately runs to her
1:16:32current mother figure and says it's not
1:16:34so much like I have to deliver that have
1:16:36to look at the invitation is the crisis
1:16:38yeah i've been invited to a party I have
1:16:39no idea what I'm going to do and I've
1:16:41seen that play out like candy but that's
1:16:43the way yeah that that is the that is
1:16:45the crisis and you know and like what
1:16:47you mean or is this is exactly what you
1:16:48wanted didn't you want to have friends
1:16:49like that's not how it works when you're
1:16:5113 years old
1:16:52that's right by the way my favorite
1:16:54detail in the movie is during that scene
1:16:56where she's completely soaked and she
1:16:57lands at the big house to deliver the
1:16:59pie and you can tell how soap she is
1:17:02because her humongous bow is suddenly
1:17:04obeying the laws of physics whole rest
1:17:07of the film is gigantic and is one scene
1:17:09it's just drooping around the top of her
1:17:12head it's a magical waters pouring added
1:17:14it's wonderful and our asano her staring
1:17:17at mother figure fills that role as well
1:17:20in that after this all happens and after
1:17:22this disaster is gone out in the sauna
1:17:24knows that it's been a disaster and
1:17:25those also knows enough to stay away
1:17:27asanas next move in orchestrating keys
1:17:29life from a distance in a motherly way
1:17:31but not too heavy-handed is to send her
1:17:34to deliver something to tambo the boy
1:17:35waiting for for a while I in in a
1:17:38reasonably clever way basically you know
1:17:39he's taking bread from her own bakery
1:17:41and paying key to deliver it
1:17:42him and setting up that you know that
1:17:44encounter well first she feeds oatmeal
1:17:47and honey scalding oatmeal and honey to
1:17:49a cat right warned him she said it was
1:17:52hot everyone what do you want
1:17:53well obviously he can't understand her
1:17:55either cat he just can't help himself
1:17:58but you don't you don't say don't burn
1:18:00your tongue and then hand you know a
1:18:02bowl of scalded milk to an animal with a
1:18:03brain the size of a thumb
1:18:05it's just even if it could talk
1:18:08she's not know just not done Thank
1:18:10templin over the old ladies I like me
1:18:14she goes back to the old ladies I
1:18:15thought that the old ladies things going
1:18:16to be over but instead they say Baker
1:18:19cake with yu-gi-oh sweet official key
1:18:23logo and was that it was at a bread Kiki
1:18:25that the Baker lady had put in the
1:18:27window though the Baker husband did it
1:18:29because I that's not a senior so she
1:18:31when she's awake she's supposed to be
1:18:32coming back for the party right and what
1:18:35you see is the husband pacing back and
1:18:37forth isn't working and at first you
1:18:39think it's because he's worried about
1:18:40her which she is and that you mean his
1:18:42keys like two lines in the movie but his
1:18:44character is fully revealed by the
1:18:45things that I'm doing and the second
1:18:46thing is that you realize that he's the
1:18:48one who made the big bread key sign and
1:18:50he's excited for her to see it when she
1:18:52when she comes back and so right when he
1:18:54sees it she's coming he runs and hides
1:18:55because he doesn't want to be there when
1:18:57she comes like he's too embarrassed that
1:18:58I made this for you but he's excited
1:19:00about her seeing and so when when she
1:19:01sees it looks at it he casually strolled
1:19:03in like 10 big deal just made a thing
1:19:05for you and she jumps on him and give
1:19:06him a hug all no dialogue all happening
1:19:08through window from an outside shot
1:19:09completely amazing
1:19:11you wouldn't even see that in adult
1:19:12live-action films they be like what's
1:19:14going on there i don't understand like
1:19:15watch the movie
1:19:16everything is there a movie that's
1:19:18what's the movie there's an airship at
1:19:20the end i just i love the fact that you
1:19:23know this dirigible has been forced to
1:19:25land there and apparently the entire
1:19:27town has gone original crazy
1:19:29yes we see it on the TV in the bakery
1:19:31and the two ladies are watching it as
1:19:33you do is the fifties rigid airship
1:19:35madness
1:19:36it was isn't the fifties I never really
1:19:38got a grip on what the time fit only get
1:19:40from the look at the cars that's more or
1:19:41less the arrows supposed to be
1:19:42yeah and the end that seventies pop song
1:19:45that sounds like it's from a cop any
1:19:47duty duty but I you know I I I you know
1:19:51I love I love a good separate movie i
1:19:53have to admit i do love that
1:19:56I is strange because there's this is the
1:19:58opening line of dialogue in the movies
1:20:00like and the airship might be passing
1:20:03overhead or it might not be all right
1:20:05okay and we get the we got an exciting
1:20:09airship scene where there is actually it
1:20:10does damage to the to the buildings of
1:20:13course the most noticeable building in
1:20:17town gets hit by the hit by the airship
1:20:20i find it funny that everybody is really
1:20:22worried about tambo who is dangling from
1:20:24the airship but not worried about the
1:20:26entire like cabin full of people who are
1:20:30also on the air she was fine fine but
1:20:32we'll be fine
1:20:33certainly there safe because they're
1:20:35inside the like you know the thing
1:20:37yeah but if it specials every guy does
1:20:39elliot yeah I'm sure it's not like it's
1:20:42not like the pink paint caught on fire
1:20:44there is a nice line that it that is it
1:20:46we're full of helium so it won't explode
1:20:48like it's not gonna be like a Hindenburg
1:20:51thing if we die it's going to because we
1:20:52smashed into something like the ground
1:20:55with but was it at the end where she's
1:20:58saved tambo and you can see them in
1:21:00there in the cabin they're still up
1:21:01there clapping and they're all excited
1:21:03and celebrating
1:21:04meanwhile they're hanging between two
1:21:06high building yeah you you expect almost
1:21:07like Prince that Italian Job moment
1:21:09where it's like okay I've got a plan
1:21:11thanks but I know how we're gonna get
1:21:13out of here it's like I don't know
1:21:14slowly let allowed to deflate and hope
1:21:16that it just kind of sag Cinderella see
1:21:19they're out of combat at that point so
1:21:21they can just kick in this God right
1:21:22that's that's good did Randy knowledge
1:21:25area is right i imagine the key would
1:21:27then like go up and shuttle them down
1:21:29bit by bit or something maybe it doesn't
1:21:32seem like she's got a real grip on that
1:21:33push broom at that point that she would
1:21:35have to get a bit much better broom that
1:21:37was just a broom that was available to
1:21:38her but she still got it at the end haha
1:21:40what a great sequence
1:21:42yeah and that's when it sits silent
1:21:45she's on the brain with silent and then
1:21:47there's like you know the the lucky
1:21:49silence while followed by the the sound
1:21:51the bristling it's like a oh yeah where
1:21:54it comes to life basically like it's
1:21:57gotta have already said she flies fly
1:21:59and you expect her to you know
1:22:01sky-rocket in perfect formation instead
1:22:04she slams into the nearest building ball
1:22:06bounces off another one with regular
1:22:08she's lost with their foot yeah yeah and
1:22:10they do it sounds against they have the
1:22:11crowd booing oh you know the crowd noise
1:22:13going on the announcer and everything
1:22:14like that and all that fades out as
1:22:16tambo falls and as she catches them so
1:22:18that the the climax of the movie they
1:22:20fade everything out including the
1:22:21background cacophony of crowds that you
1:22:24didn't realize I was was there until
1:22:25they turn it off which is the best way
1:22:26to use the one thing i do here is that
1:22:28is her making her connecting with his
1:22:30hand as she grabs and that's all you
1:22:32here which is great so here's here's
1:22:34something that my son notice that I've
1:22:35never really thought about in all of my
1:22:37times watching this movie but this time
1:22:38today he noticed it which is as soon as
1:22:41she soon as she catches tambo and saves
1:22:43him everybody cheers and there's like
1:22:46confetti or a ticker-tape parade
1:22:48everywhere and he's like why is there
1:22:49confetti
1:22:50where did that come from and I'm like I
1:22:52have no idea in this town they always
1:22:54have it ready have it ready it's like
1:22:55the fireworks
1:22:56it's like the fireworks at the end of
1:22:57Return of the Jedi or it's like well you
1:22:59know normally we don't shoot off
1:23:00fireworks here on the exams or the
1:23:03x-wings have it is but we gotta decide
1:23:05good happens we've got some fireworks to
1:23:08fire off but if the sign is a big city
1:23:09man it either it's confetti or it's like
1:23:12really light rubble from the building's
1:23:14maybe they were ready to celebrate this
1:23:16is there a to celebrate the Zeppelin
1:23:18maybe and put it had yeah those are
1:23:21shreds of the cabin crews shirts they're
1:23:23trying to fashion a rope to get down
1:23:25know it crashed the plane crashed into a
1:23:26building that had lots of paperwork and
1:23:28the paperwork out shredded and blown out
1:23:30and there was landing what it would be
1:23:32my special movie in the eighties
1:23:33business movie made 89 right so like
1:23:36it's like the end of war game someone
1:23:37else throw paper in there at the end of
1:23:38every day the movie anyway watch for
1:23:41that there's sudden sudden celebratory
1:23:42confetti you get a letter from the mpaa
1:23:45there's a couple questions we have got
1:23:47to be new mall we looked a little bit
1:23:49more people through when you and the
1:23:51other the other standard speaking of
1:23:52standards is that in miyazaki movies and
1:23:53eighties movies in particular miyazaki
1:23:55movies you have to have an incredibly
1:23:57heartwarming and affecting sequence that
1:23:59the credits roll over right if they
1:24:01throw the Dean in the pool
1:24:03not the same not the same at all like
1:24:06I'm always amazed at integrated you drop
1:24:07a police car to like not good enough
1:24:09pretty awesome and I have the grad and
1:24:11the details of the way of going over the
1:24:13side of the deck oh yeah that's been the
1:24:15one person that's still in the pool that
1:24:17you see just kind of slowly moving here
1:24:19from the splash
1:24:20no detail is too small because some guy
1:24:23spent three weeks on that and then at
1:24:25the end we get the letter back to her
1:24:27parents that we were promised at the
1:24:29very beginning her mother still if
1:24:30distracted will have one of her test
1:24:32tubes explode with black smoke and she
1:24:36gets the letter saying i'm fine i'm
1:24:38doing ok we discovered that it takes
1:24:40roughly three days to rebuild a clock
1:24:43tower sure that there are very
1:24:46industrious people look at the town that
1:24:48strap and essentially all that confetti
1:24:50was just rubble from them already trying
1:24:52to fix up the tower there are already
1:24:53people are soon as we have results it
1:24:55was the actually the wrapping of the new
1:24:56tower than it already been kept stepping
1:24:58that's the pair had just cut the ribbon
1:25:00was that fast
1:25:01that's right well Tom but was following
1:25:02that all happened like think about these
1:25:05movies that have the credit sequences
1:25:06what would the movies be like if they
1:25:09didn't have the credit sequence like if
1:25:10the movie actually ended and they just
1:25:12showed names / black and I was it like
1:25:14how would how would you feel about the
1:25:16movies differently if you know it
1:25:18totoro I mean to her as a smaller one
1:25:20this one has won a whole bunch of the
1:25:22the i mean i can cancel this guy has one
1:25:24as well
1:25:25or maybe it's just too pretty cries when
1:25:26I way I always feel like that that part
1:25:28of the movie is a shorthand way to give
1:25:32you a satisfying ending it wouldn't work
1:25:34if you cut it out but you don't have
1:25:36time to do everything that's in the
1:25:37credit sequences it's like it's almost
1:25:39like cheating with like a montage like
1:25:40we don't want to show a montage and we
1:25:42don't want to have some silly scene
1:25:43where they exchanged two lines of
1:25:44dialogue to be established but we just
1:25:46want to show like and this is what
1:25:47happens in the immediate future of these
1:25:49characters I in a way that doesn't feel
1:25:52weird because we tried to rush into try
1:25:54to have multiple things that wouldn't
1:25:55work but I think everybody like flies in
1:25:57on the credit sequence like who doesn't
1:25:59like that whose heart is not worn by
1:26:01saying that sequence in the credits and
1:26:02you don't go like that ending the movie
1:26:04was weird I thought they rushed at the
1:26:05end when they tried to show what
1:26:06happened to the character shoes ended
1:26:08like no one ever feels that way i don't
1:26:09know why more movies don't use this but
1:26:11I guess Marvel movies accepted but like
1:26:14the animation equivalent of that that
1:26:16whole animal house thing Dean wormer
1:26:17went to prison where he was prepared but
1:26:19it's but it's not that ham-fisted like
1:26:21this they're not like like the things
1:26:23are seeing are essential to the story
1:26:25you're not wondering what happened to me
1:26:26just want to be like because you already
1:26:27know Kiki is going to be okay but you
1:26:29also want the payoff scene of seeing it
1:26:31but let's you be very economical with
1:26:32cutting it off when the story's done
1:26:34and in the case of liquid total it's a
1:26:36little bit more luxurious but in this
1:26:37case when you see her Dashiell on the
1:26:40broom in the credits come up you like
1:26:41wow that was that was really the end is
1:26:43over that's it that was I think it's
1:26:45great i think they could they could
1:26:47probably have avoided that by making the
1:26:48ending a little less abrupt but well I'm
1:26:51like a sauna gives birth we know she was
1:26:52really no she goes into labor
1:26:54we assume everything came out ok but
1:26:55just in case you're wondering here's
1:26:57asano she's there now here's the baby
1:26:59here's the dad they're happy they're
1:27:01watching key they know she's happy like
1:27:03it's all the things that you want to
1:27:04know our our reality after the movie
1:27:07ends that you can assume they are but
1:27:08they give you the payoff like here you
1:27:10go here's a picture of her and the baby
1:27:13and you know this is with us what
1:27:14happened anyway but just seeing them
1:27:15makes you happier than just be thinking
1:27:17I bet she had the baby now on it but
1:27:19that's wonderful especially with totoro
1:27:21where you i mean the the genius stroke
1:27:23of courses showing me show the family
1:27:25show them then you show the total rows
1:27:27and then you show the implicit kind of
1:27:29interaction of them to you know I did
1:27:31that I think that's particularly
1:27:33delightful in total that was critical
1:27:34because you have to have mom came home
1:27:36somewhere yeah i mean that but that's
1:27:38the first thing on sequences her coming
1:27:40out of the cab or whatever with arms
1:27:42wide open and the kids running towards
1:27:44or like you know that's why I'm going to
1:27:45get well yeah the payoff a little bit
1:27:47and so on this one another sequence here
1:27:49like earlier on the movie key is looking
1:27:52at shoes and the window shoes that she
1:27:54can't afford while she's in the city and
1:27:55she just sits there staring at them for
1:27:57a while and I think like some people
1:27:58come by behind or whatever and the
1:27:59credit sequence she's still staring at
1:28:01choosing the window we're just showing
1:28:02that yes there are still going to be
1:28:04things that you want that you can have
1:28:05because you don't suddenly become the
1:28:06richest most powerful princess in the
1:28:08entire world you get everything you want
1:28:09but while she's staring at the shoes one
1:28:12of the people who passes by her is a
1:28:14mother with a little girl and the little
1:28:15girls dress like II the hero of the town
1:28:17and she her head turns and she's like
1:28:19whoa you know that's that's quite a
1:28:22complicated payoff out of like they
1:28:25don't show her and now she's got those
1:28:26red shoes she wanted up she still at the
1:28:28window looking at the fancy shoes but
1:28:29also she's admired and looked up to
1:28:32about a little girls and their dress
1:28:33like she is that is fairly that's a
1:28:37fairly complicated thing to put into
1:28:38kids movie for a kid to unpack but i
1:28:40think that like gets through to them the
1:28:42key would be a great halloween costume
1:28:44for a twelve-year-old girl by the way
1:28:46they wanna wait for that matter
1:28:48sure big but not that much girly about
1:28:50big bow big dark robe you know room is
1:28:55black with a last-second throw together
1:28:57kind of it's still a good with costumes
1:29:00were both students everybody would know
1:29:01who you were
1:29:02anybody who's seen this movie really go
1:29:03big bow key sure it's kinky
1:29:06yeah Steve you have not seen this movie
1:29:09before
1:29:09that's correct and i have now seen it
1:29:11twice both times with the dub I i would
1:29:14I i watched it again today just to kind
1:29:16of you know having it fresh in my mind
1:29:19and i decided i'd rather watch the
1:29:21double right sit down and watch it with
1:29:22the kids are rather watch the japanese
1:29:24version or watch with the kids and I
1:29:26think kids both wanted to watch it so we
1:29:28said watch it together
1:29:29so what's what's your what's your
1:29:30verdict and what's their verdict about
1:29:31it as new new viewers i thought it was
1:29:34great
1:29:35uh yeah i really enjoyed it at once I
1:29:38you know kind of got over the fact that
1:29:39you know no one's going to be stabbed at
1:29:42something horrible with the oven and
1:29:44this is so much you know even even just
1:29:46things like that you expect the painter
1:29:48to have you to give up the cat with more
1:29:50of a fight you know or you know Gigi
1:29:53having a tougher time getting away from
1:29:54the dog but you know once i once I got
1:29:55past that I really kind of I sort of
1:29:58like luxuriating in the slow pace of the
1:30:01thing and just kind of appreciating the
1:30:03animation as it comes
1:30:04I given though how sort of gentle and
1:30:08quiet and and not fast cut things were I
1:30:11kind of expected the kids to get up and
1:30:13leave after a while but they didn't they
1:30:14watched they joined it didn't say much
1:30:17during the film the boy enjoyed the the
1:30:21the cats antics
1:30:23mmm big a fan video here i think i think
1:30:25the the phil hartman I mean we sound so
1:30:28snooty talking about you know watch in
1:30:29Japanese or whatever but i mean the the
1:30:31dubbed version is great it's really
1:30:33really good i would not wanna I would
1:30:36not want anybody to think like don't
1:30:37show this to your kids unless they can
1:30:38speak Japanese because it is really
1:30:40great and the heart and character might
1:30:41you know my daughter's got a GG you know
1:30:43plush toys she loves the phil hartman g
1:30:46character i would not would not worry
1:30:48about robbing a six-year-old of that
1:30:50experience because they'll speak
1:30:51Japanese yet my daughter made the
1:30:53observation early on and she's sitting
1:30:55in the room right now so she's pregnant
1:30:56be very
1:30:56mr. i'm talking about her but at any
1:30:58rate yeah one of the one of the few
1:31:00things that was mentioned is really
1:31:02early on when she's getting ready to go
1:31:04and she wants dad to pick her up i like
1:31:06when she was little she pointed out
1:31:07she's having some notes through she
1:31:10pointed out she is not a
1:31:11thirteen-year-old she acts more like an
1:31:13eight-year-old which I thought was
1:31:15fairly percent but from the dads are one
1:31:17of you like I mean my daughter is seven
1:31:20and she does that exact same thing and
1:31:22wants me to pick her up over i had like
1:31:24I used to and I do it pretty much
1:31:26opposed that dad doesn't like you get
1:31:28your backs are snaps you're gonna tap
1:31:30and you know that eventually presently
1:31:32you won't be able to do this anymore but
1:31:34you keep trying to do it i mean that
1:31:35that seems a little bit for the parents
1:31:36more than romantic I i will tell you
1:31:38that that seemed means a lot more to me
1:31:41now with a 12 year old daughter than it
1:31:44did when I was watching with a six-year
1:31:46a it means a lot more right but it's a
1:31:49great moment as a pair but it's also key
1:31:51that you see Kiki be a kid right
1:31:55yes she's about to go out riding this
1:31:56big adventure where she's she can't be
1:31:57anymore it's got to get that lonely
1:31:59getting in the last little bits like I
1:32:01mean that and that's why the dad
1:32:02whispering are you know you can always
1:32:03you can always come home if the domain
1:32:06like yeah right so yeah I think I heard
1:32:10her say that and I thought oh no the
1:32:11sort of Japanese over-the-top miss of
1:32:13some of these things is is gonna sort of
1:32:15throw her off but really it was it was
1:32:18deserve a point so in the end and
1:32:19actually ended up working i think very
1:32:21well yeah everybody enjoyed it i thought
1:32:23it was great
1:32:23I'll probably watch it a few more times
1:32:25and and like it more because I can tell
1:32:27this is one of those growers yes it is
1:32:30and i want to i want to reinforce that
1:32:32that that what you said about we can be
1:32:34we can be snooty about this I i find it
1:32:37interesting if you think you know a
1:32:39movie to watch to turn off the the
1:32:41English dub and watching japanese with
1:32:43subtitles
1:32:44it gives you a different perspective on
1:32:45the movie which i think is interesting
1:32:47for a movie that that you've watched a
1:32:49lot but yes i'm at i'm a gigantic phil
1:32:52hartman fan i think i love almost well
1:32:55not everything you did cuz he did some
1:32:56really crappy movies but he did a lot of
1:32:58amazing stuff and this is a really fun
1:33:01performance from him and if all you do
1:33:03is listen to the japanese version with
1:33:05subtitles
1:33:06you're missing out on a a different but
1:33:08good experience
1:33:10so I just wanted to make a quick i mean
1:33:13i challenge you to find that manager
1:33:14John come up with a handful but there's
1:33:16not that many non american movies I'd
1:33:20say foreign not American movies in
1:33:22movies are not in English you're not
1:33:23gonna find that many movies that are
1:33:26that are survive the dubbing process
1:33:28better than these miyazaki movies
1:33:30I mean they're not perfect but they are
1:33:32so much better than a than a bunch of
1:33:34them i mean even watching we're watching
1:33:35now let's say we weren't watching this
1:33:37because this wouldn't be appropriate
1:33:38watching the anime x-men today and like
1:33:41you know it's I you know it's good but I
1:33:44mean but something John whenever you
1:33:45talk about how sometimes the characters
1:33:47are actually saying anything and then
1:33:49but you know in the english version they
1:33:51feel the need to add things to remember
1:33:52back at all about comfort movies all
1:33:55your yoga master and you've got all
1:33:57these unnecessary grunts and try and
1:33:59fill everything like mouth movement with
1:34:01some kind of sound and and i have to say
1:34:03like you know it would be a really real
1:34:05disservice if we made people think that
1:34:07this isn't okay to watch that because it
1:34:09is there there are I think the Toros
1:34:11another one is just obviously so
1:34:12fantastic their other there are a few
1:34:14such moments in this dub like there's a
1:34:16scene where she's at the mirror and she
1:34:18opens her mouth real life she says yeah
1:34:21yeah look it comes off a little weird
1:34:27but instead they are very very well to
1:34:29deal with the distance
1:34:30disney's deal with the distribution of
1:34:31their stuffs of the studio ghibli stuff
1:34:34is the my understanding is they're not
1:34:36allowed to change the video at all and
1:34:39so right dubs like your force like they
1:34:42basically said no we can't touch a
1:34:43friend but can we cut out that part
1:34:44where she has her mouth open for an
1:34:45extended period of time because there's
1:34:46no syllable in English that does that is
1:34:48like no you actually can't change the
1:34:49video but what you can do is you know
1:34:52what we have traditionally done and make
1:34:53her draw out somewhere so I'm so glad
1:34:56that there because like with a with
1:34:58nausea they did that terrible warriors
1:35:00of the wind thing where they just chop
1:35:01the video to bits i think that's kind of
1:35:03what drove the future deal which said
1:35:05you can distribute our movies in America
1:35:07you but you cannot change the frame of
1:35:09the video right that's a good movie
1:35:11question for anybody who's who has
1:35:13watched the Japanese which i guess is
1:35:15all of you except me i understand that
1:35:18when Disney did the dub they also
1:35:19changed a lot of the music cues they
1:35:21made it's a bit more bombastic not just
1:35:23that the opening and closing songs but
1:35:25also some of the actual score is that
1:35:28scaled back in the japanese version or
1:35:30is it still have the same i'm not that I
1:35:32noticed i think i mean the beginning in
1:35:35any music or different is their middle
1:35:37part they said that they added there is
1:35:38there is little bit yeah there's that
1:35:40the tinkling kind of song i think maybe
1:35:42around the time that she's on the bike
1:35:44with it there's actually a different
1:35:45middle song in the japanese one that's
1:35:48not that's not as dramatic as a song
1:35:49they put in the english but i think it's
1:35:50about it it's just different
1:35:52I mean this is the interesting thing is
1:35:53they're just different there and neither
1:35:55of them and then again neither of them
1:35:58is the definitive because the definitive
1:35:59is your Japanese you understand Japanese
1:36:02you understand Japanese culture and you
1:36:03watch the movie and I can't do that so I
1:36:07be really curious to hear your take
1:36:08Jason on the 2010 version that i watched
1:36:10because it sounds like all the things
1:36:12that they deliberately removed from the
1:36:14original disney dub were smart boobs
1:36:17this is why i'm waiting for the blu-ray
1:36:19because i assume the blu-ray will be
1:36:21that same that same take on it and and I
1:36:24want to get this in HD and I think
1:36:26that'll be that'll be graded it does it
1:36:28sound so sure did Lucas is part of that
1:36:30initiate it sounds like they backed off
1:36:32it sounds like they really heard
1:36:35the criticism of some of the changes or
1:36:38whether they heard that from fans or
1:36:40they or I imagine some of it might be
1:36:42John Lasseter because he's now in a
1:36:44position of authority at Disney and his
1:36:46Lordships music and he worships miyazaki
1:36:48so I think maybe even Lassiter's like
1:36:50can we do some things can we fix this a
1:36:52little bit before we put it out again
1:36:53and and so I think that's cool because
1:36:56it sounds like they they've made it and
1:36:58they've used that good dub and brought
1:37:00it back a little to make it a little
1:37:02more like the original here's a pro tip
1:37:04for watching the you're watching a
1:37:06subtitled versions of these movies
1:37:08miyazaki movie studio ghibli movies in
1:37:10general
1:37:11turn off the subtitles during the
1:37:13credits because in these movies the
1:37:16credit sequences are often you know
1:37:19knows it was a great example like a
1:37:20little mini movies in and of themselves
1:37:22and their framed with the Japanese
1:37:24credits which you can't read fine just
1:37:26pretend they're a nice little art
1:37:27they're framed with the action in the
1:37:29credits you know just so and when they
1:37:31put the American credits on they have to
1:37:33cover the action and totally destroyed
1:37:35the composition of all the frames turn
1:37:36off the subtitles during the credits to
1:37:38turn them back on with the movie starts
1:37:40wandering the grounds and I wish that
1:37:41was the default mode like not that I
1:37:43don't want to see the English names of
1:37:44these people or whatever but that's
1:37:46that's part of the movie and I feel like
1:37:47they are altering the video by saying
1:37:49well there's a block of japanese text
1:37:50over here
1:37:51Kiki's over there and we're gonna put
1:37:52these English names right over Kiki no
1:37:54don't do that whereas whereas in the
1:37:55dubbed version they just take out the
1:37:57Japanese and replace it with English
1:38:00were right so they also mess up the
1:38:02composition on that is true they do
1:38:04because they don't fit the same as good
1:38:05as the worst one though it's not as it
1:38:06goes like this beautiful little mini
1:38:08tone poem of credits and there is no
1:38:11place to put English words anywhere made
1:38:13and they do and it's terrible so turn
1:38:15them off
1:38:15alright one other question about the
1:38:17original Japanese is the naked line in
1:38:20there I don't know enough Japanese it's
1:38:23in the subtitle version is really nice
1:38:25is that doesn't tell you anything but I
1:38:27imagine it would be because like again
1:38:29that's like it comes to see my actions
1:38:32etching not invited yeah that's under I
1:38:34was just frankly amazed she wants she
1:38:36wants to do a drawing with me in it says
1:38:38Kiki and his responses naked and its
1:38:41just oh tu so nasty it's it's just it's
1:38:45got such a rye feel to it I was
1:38:47surprised that they kept it intact in
1:38:49the Disney version because it's that's
1:38:51it that's a pretty good entendre right
1:38:54there but it if that is in the movie
1:38:56though which I can imagine it would be
1:38:57because again the Japanese an artist
1:38:58puritanical we are about this it's still
1:39:00a it fits into the theme of the movie
1:39:02because it's a certain point like the
1:39:04idea of her seeing herself as a sexual
1:39:06being other people seeing her that way
1:39:07or that being a possibility and not just
1:39:09being a giggle worthy thing is part of
1:39:11the act of growing up and like that
1:39:13touch on it just barely there and that's
1:39:16that's how it begins like you just can't
1:39:17nobody touch on just barely just another
1:39:20thought on there in that respect when
1:39:21the cat stop stalking its around the
1:39:23time that he hooks up with the the hot
1:39:25female kitty
1:39:26so maybe that's his story that you see
1:39:28in this is so Randy Garcia on Twitter
1:39:30want heat while listening to us said to
1:39:32me it's not the key grows up
1:39:34it's the g grows up and is no longer
1:39:36interested in human so that i crack
1:39:39that's very cat right there to like that
1:39:41cats are never interested in humans so
1:39:43yeah they start out I know what he
1:39:45learned his lesson
1:39:46John you had something yes I'd like this
1:39:48this is also my favorite miyazaki movie
1:39:51uh I don't remember when I first saw it
1:39:52but it was probably way back in the
1:39:54eighties and I think I first saw it like
1:39:55at home you know like by myself during
1:39:59the summer is just one of those one of
1:40:01those lazy summer day kind of moves from
1:40:0389 so i'm not too sure it's even got
1:40:05here until like 90 91 something I I
1:40:07don't remember where I even where I saw
1:40:09it like it was definitely one of those
1:40:11kind of relaxing movies you just like
1:40:13are surprised by your sort of let it
1:40:15happen and it's just grown and grown on
1:40:18me over the years and my plan with my
1:40:20kids that I executed was the image but i
1:40:22would i would in dr. ate them with many
1:40:25movies that i'm dr. with this was a big
1:40:27one like the two things I was leaning
1:40:28heavily were basically like Star Wars
1:40:30and miyazaki and of all the miyazaki
1:40:32this is the movie that I kept showing
1:40:34them like first of all this is you can
1:40:36show this like total you can show this
1:40:37to a two-year-old like you can show us
1:40:39that to anybody and most kids will not
1:40:42be frightened by over and i just showed
1:40:43it to them constantly and both my son
1:40:46and my daughter because it is such like
1:40:48I knew that what they were going to see
1:40:49for their entire lives were sort of
1:40:52Western action movies with male
1:40:54protagonists that are just like we all
1:40:56know what that's gonna be like
1:40:57everything they see is going to be like
1:40:58that including Star Wars for that matter
1:41:00like it's all going to be like that
1:41:01have so many so few go tues for
1:41:04realistic depictions of young self
1:41:08actualized females that I just saturated
1:41:10them to the degree now that i think my
1:41:12seven-year-old daughter every time I
1:41:13bring movies like I want to see that
1:41:14again like she's smoothie thousands of
1:41:17times and I strongly encourage every
1:41:19parent of sons or daughters to get this
1:41:23movie to get Toto and just to show them
1:41:26constantly so that they're burned into
1:41:27your children's DNA is because until it
1:41:29once they enter that wider world all
1:41:31they're gonna see is the generic like
1:41:33there's just so few good examples of
1:41:35this and it kills me that this issue of
1:41:37them and I maybe I'm burning my children
1:41:39out in this movie but this movie is a
1:41:41parenting tool I feel like come on daddy
1:41:44watch a princess tonight I believe me
1:41:46when i say the princess you're never
1:41:48going to stop that like she has seen all
1:41:50the other movies I some people feel the
1:41:52same way about frozen but I feel even
1:41:54more strongly about these movies that
1:41:55they are they are sort of just gentle
1:41:59and even-handed and just just good like
1:42:02they're not educationally but just
1:42:04couldn't lose you can I want this movie
1:42:05to be part of like the internal
1:42:07emotional landscape of my children
1:42:08essentially and so I've done I've done
1:42:10that through repetition I hope and
1:42:12that's how i feel about these movies and
1:42:14I'm essentially willing to to trust my
1:42:15children trust them with my children I i
1:42:17agree with everything you said but I
1:42:18also want to add that they're weird
1:42:20which is great haha no I'm seriously so
1:42:23many there's so much can you know and
1:42:25like we're joking about like expecting
1:42:26you know like a bank vault to fall in
1:42:28somebody's head or something but I mean
1:42:29you know we got the way we are from
1:42:32watching certain kind of cartoon a
1:42:34reading a certain kind of comic over and
1:42:35over and over and I think you could do
1:42:37worse than introducing something like
1:42:38this when they're ready for it yet
1:42:39spirited away when they're ready for it
1:42:41because I mean what happens in these
1:42:43movies like you know like you're making
1:42:44funny a John because I'd finally seen
1:42:46nautica and that in Prince monokey were
1:42:49to that and I mean I guess I'm glad we
1:42:52waited awhile because they're both like
1:42:54declar they're a little their little
1:42:56rougher you have the correct they are
1:42:57but oh my god princess
1:42:59they're both so goddamn weird if they're
1:43:02just extremely extremely stress it's
1:43:04very difficult to even explain what
1:43:06happens in some sequences because
1:43:07Stephen describing what combination of
1:43:09fantastic animals this looks like it's
1:43:11impossible and its kind of bleeding but
1:43:13it's not it's all soup
1:43:14you're weird but i think that's really
1:43:16good i really like my daughter started i
1:43:18started showing her Marx Brothers movies
1:43:19where like she's gonna have absolutely
1:43:21no idea what's happened but she she asks
1:43:24talk about a gift a kid who wants to
1:43:26watch duck soup like I want her to sit
1:43:28there and have a process what's going on
1:43:29in this and and and nana I'm not mean I
1:43:33mean it merely just as like some kind of
1:43:34an sa80 study program but i think the
1:43:37idea of putting things in front of your
1:43:38kids they don't expect that they're
1:43:39gonna have to ask questions about or
1:43:40just wonder about i mean it's it's just
1:43:42so easy to sit down and I'm the
1:43:44trash-talking a hero or something but
1:43:46it's just so easy to sit down and walk
1:43:48through that same little Candyland game
1:43:50of these same 35 movies that all their
1:43:52friends have seen and I like the idea of
1:43:54challenging them to like see something
1:43:56that doesn't on the face of it make a
1:43:58lot of sense i'm an old guy and I don't
1:43:59understand all of it so I think that's a
1:44:01really good exercise when they're ready
1:44:02for it I think it's a really good idea
1:44:03and like the internal landscape of all
1:44:06their friends are going to be beauty and
1:44:08the beast aladdin snow white monster
1:44:11high like like about like move some of
1:44:14these are really good but great are very
1:44:16much like you can describe this movie on
1:44:18the playground and it'll make sense and
1:44:19how many movies do they see where they
1:44:22were there is ineffable quality to it I
1:44:24don't just say magic but there's nothing
1:44:25inevitable about it was like we kind of
1:44:27just got to see it to really get it
1:44:28yeah and the kids don't appreciate all
1:44:30these nuances of these movies were
1:44:31discussing but I really do feel like
1:44:32they internalize them and that like that
1:44:34I basically what I'm trying to do is
1:44:36like I want the inside of my children to
1:44:39be something different in some small way
1:44:41than the inside of a other children
1:44:43because i want to give them an
1:44:44experience that they wouldn't have is
1:44:46they're all that experience they were
1:44:47talking about they're gonna get that
1:44:48whether we do it or not like there's
1:44:51nothing we can do to stop them from from
1:44:53getting on it's like worrying if they'll
1:44:54discover french fries right it's like
1:44:56you know the they will get on the air
1:44:57desert-like don't we're not gonna give
1:44:59our child deserves well good luck with
1:45:00that like it that you know it's the
1:45:02world is going to happen to them all you
1:45:04can do and you get a specialist I say
1:45:06start young like you get such a small
1:45:08window of time to 34 years old to make
1:45:12any sort of impression online and also
1:45:14just blaming it from an adult
1:45:15perspective showing them that I like
1:45:17these movies i watch them without them
1:45:18sometimes they come down when they can't
1:45:20sleep in the same you're watching
1:45:21miyazaki movie and I think that has an
1:45:22effect they're saying these are just
1:45:23kids movies that we watch these movies
1:45:25and daddy watches to like they're good
1:45:27for everybody
1:45:28you get so few chances to do so do you
1:45:31have a miyazaki movie on a loop and then
1:45:32when an infrared beam is triggered game
1:45:34of thrones flips over to the miyazaki
1:45:36movies come down the stairs that are our
1:45:38stairs are very creaky and i was able to
1:45:41pause the night when we heard one kid
1:45:42coming down it looks like John's playing
1:45:44journey but he hits a button in and
1:45:46Microsoft Excel comes up you know I mean
1:45:49like I really running along but like
1:45:51there's one like unfortunate side effect
1:45:54of a good thing a good thing is
1:45:57realizing that it matters what we showed
1:45:58that show our kids like it's a good
1:46:00thing i'm really glad that like you know
1:46:02there was a there was a time when you
1:46:05couldn't just have commercials disguises
1:46:07TV shows like in the seventies that was
1:46:09a thing for a while the eighties that
1:46:11one away
1:46:11I guess I guess I just feel like it's
1:46:13adjusted to to amplify with John saying
1:46:16that there's there's so many things you
1:46:20could do like I've probably there's com
1:46:22definitely comics I've read with my kids
1:46:24comics ever with my kids this week that
1:46:26she's probably too young to be reading
1:46:27and I don't feel great about that but in
1:46:29the case of this movie script what I say
1:46:31that because I want her to be exposed to
1:46:33stuff that's beyond the incredibly broad
1:46:37darkly drawing outlines of what
1:46:40constitutes children's entertainment
1:46:41because it's really depressing if you if
1:46:44you really look at the landscape that's
1:46:46out there of what you're supposed to be
1:46:47consuming when you know I mean like
1:46:49clone wars clone wars i think is awesome
1:46:50I like it better than three of the style
1:46:54person because it's really good but it's
1:46:56also it's it's it's really predictable
1:46:59and I just think the idea of like
1:47:00throwing stuff to your kid that is not
1:47:02dangerous but there's not that much like
1:47:04my smokes probably little much for a
1:47:07young kid spirit whale a little much for
1:47:09a young kid but I don't know I just feel
1:47:11like giving your kids the chance to have
1:47:13stuff we don't sit around read
1:47:15fairytales so much as we did when I was
1:47:17a kid so there's nothing if you're going
1:47:19to be in this media landscape giving
1:47:20them start putting stuff in their path
1:47:21that they're going to think about and
1:47:23maybe they'll have a question a year
1:47:24from now that they don't have today but
1:47:26adding the transition to parenting
1:47:27lesson but i just think that's such a
1:47:29great opportunity like John says you
1:47:30don't have forever or even even live
1:47:32action movies for adults get like that
1:47:35for the actresses that are out there
1:47:37what roles do they have for women
1:47:39that I that they are the hero of the
1:47:42story unequivocally but no no any sort
1:47:46of qualifiers no restaurant I mean like
1:47:48zero gravity wasn't hundred local things
1:47:49happen to some Republican gravity and
1:47:52she was kind of like more like an inner
1:47:53struggle like nausea go straight up
1:47:55she's the hero of the story and over in
1:47:57it not in not in a you could substitute
1:47:59a male character be the same story
1:48:01because it wouldn't she's also she's a
1:48:02female she acts like a female she's also
1:48:05you know she has like it's I don't just
1:48:08dont even cie I maybe I'm not thinking
1:48:10well stop that someone knows it will
1:48:11throw it out maybe like is there a
1:48:13live-action movie that is a
1:48:14straightforward action/adventure movie
1:48:16with a female hero to agree that the
1:48:18Nazca is and I don't even think there is
1:48:19that hope so i got hopes for Lucy it's
1:48:21not something she'll be watching anytime
1:48:23soon but i gotta i don't know i think
1:48:24she's got to go like it you know be the
1:48:26killing machine and that one like there
1:48:28are certain things that were allowed to
1:48:29have and i would say that i would hold
1:48:31nas ago and and Kiki for that matter is
1:48:33to movies that could never fly as a
1:48:35Hollywood live action movie classic is a
1:48:37good action movie too though that's the
1:48:39thing is like it isn't just that I think
1:48:40a lot of people think Miyazaki's all
1:48:42like giant avoid smiling faces and it's
1:48:45it's not I mean he's only seen her on
1:48:48key and you haven't seen mine okay and
1:48:50and not-so-good you can be forgiven for
1:48:52thinking that but you're missing a big
1:48:54part of the picture there I just like
1:48:55the fact that everything here isn't
1:48:56handed to the kid that's watching on a
1:48:58platter right i mean there's weirdness
1:49:00there are there are themes that are
1:49:03really subtle as far as you know growing
1:49:05up and hand the whole puberty aspect of
1:49:08it which they will be picked up on for
1:49:10quite some time but there's there's a
1:49:12lot of stuff that goes on that they
1:49:14actually have to piece together
1:49:15themselves to start just you know what
1:49:17why did this person why did that go that
1:49:19way why did that person to what they did
1:49:21why would they motivated separate why or
1:49:23why is she why is she I can tell like
1:49:25kids can tell that she's upset or sad
1:49:26but they will take a long time before
1:49:28very why why is she upset because she
1:49:31doesn't explain why her she's gone away
1:49:32and eventually like that's the party
1:49:34movies the kids won't get until they are
1:49:35themselves 12 and go oh now I recognize
1:49:38why she shuts down when the kids pull up
1:49:40in the car right and that's too
1:49:42sophisticated for this point I really
1:49:44like watching this with the kids tonight
1:49:45because even though they they would
1:49:47laugh at the occasional you know funny
1:49:49cat joke and wouldn't say much about
1:49:51what's going on in the film
1:49:53you can watch their faces and you can
1:49:55kind of see the gears turning or once in
1:49:57a while you'd see like a little subtle
1:49:58smile appear on a face at an appropriate
1:50:00point and it's just it's really fun to
1:50:02kind of see the brain started to work
1:50:05while they're watching a movie instead
1:50:06of just you know things flowing by
1:50:08adults should watch this movie because
1:50:09it is i think many seems like it
1:50:11sometimes you think your kids get more
1:50:13than they do right it was a very often i
1:50:15will add my kids hate this as all kids
1:50:17should we'll ask them why did character
1:50:20X what is characterized feeling now and
1:50:22why I kind of hate you for asking it now
1:50:24they absolutely they absolutely do not
1:50:26know the answer sometimes they can tell
1:50:28what the person is feeling of his
1:50:29animation i can tell she's not happy or
1:50:31sad or whatever but they have no idea
1:50:32why and they're not going to such an
1:50:33awful thing to do to your kids Jon
1:50:35that's like saying show your work i
1:50:36asked them gently and I don't lean on it
1:50:39and yes and yes they do hate it and they
1:50:41can either be something similar is what
1:50:43it's all about things a young girl could
1:50:44do in the city to earn over
1:50:45no I don't know what I'm trying to do
1:50:48what I'm trying to do is the kinds of
1:50:51things we could do naked I'm I'm trying
1:50:53to gauge whether they are actually
1:50:55following along to the degree you hope
1:50:56they aren't his thing is they don't they
1:50:57don't understand like I mean many adults
1:51:00don't understand why you ask it if you
1:51:02like to try this with your adult friends
1:51:04pause the movie and ask them you'll be
1:51:06very depressed by those answers well
1:51:07anyway which I know that John I mean the
1:51:10one simple question to ask the end it
1:51:11sounds silly but sometimes I yeah i'll
1:51:13turn and see what you do that why did
1:51:14you do that just know what you think he
1:51:16did that he did that because he was mad
1:51:17he did it because he was sad
1:51:19well you know didn't turn out the way we
1:51:20expected like it better than me
1:51:22no but I think sometimes asking i have
1:51:25the motivation thing that's what I love
1:51:26and again any great story
1:51:28I mean you know i'm always pulling up to
1:51:30the high level but I got I'm always the
1:51:31most fascinated by stories as
1:51:33representing something that starts in a
1:51:35certain state and eventually more or
1:51:36less ends in another state and what we
1:51:38learn about somebody who's faced with
1:51:40something that seems impossible
1:51:42that's what makes a great story so when
1:51:44your face when were in life where face
1:51:45it was something impossible like how do
1:51:47we handle it like not great a lot of the
1:51:49time and along the way you are your
1:51:51integrity as a person is constantly
1:51:53tested by all these opportunities to try
1:51:55and handle this in a way that feels like
1:51:57it's going to be less stressful or
1:51:58whatever and I think someone's along the
1:52:00way it's it's worth you know you don't
1:52:02sit down and turn it into some kind of
1:52:03afterschool special but you could you
1:52:05could do it on there
1:52:06equestria girls you can you just sit
1:52:08there and go like you know why why is
1:52:10this why is this person behaving in the
1:52:11way that they are do you think anyway
1:52:13and having bought a son and a daughter
1:52:15when i asked the two questions of the
1:52:16nine-year-old son and a seven-year-old
1:52:18daughter it is shocking how much more
1:52:19the seven-year-old daughter is able to
1:52:21understand what's going on in the
1:52:23emotional world of the characters on the
1:52:24screen i mean i know that's a stereotype
1:52:25but I've got the two kids and I guess
1:52:27the two kids the questions and despite a
1:52:29three-year age difference the
1:52:30seven-year-old knows why that girl or
1:52:32boys upset and the nine-year-old if he
1:52:35knows he's not saying so that brings us
1:52:37to the end of our show and i would like
1:52:38to thank my lovely gasps for once again
1:52:41spending some time talking about a
1:52:44miyazaki movie with me Merlin man it was
1:52:46great to have you back
1:52:48thanks man it's a it's always a joy to
1:52:49be here appreciate it I'm glad youwere
1:52:51you could take the time and i love i
1:52:54love talking about these crazy crazy
1:52:56miyazaki movies with you it's great
1:52:58sluts thank you for a for coming in for
1:53:01watching this movie for the first time
1:53:03and thus I thank you for making me watch
1:53:05this movie for first and second time i
1:53:07really enjoyed it you I didn't make you
1:53:09I mean you volunteered to do and
1:53:11bridging all right okay then i have to
1:53:14get the band back together that sure
1:53:16you're a little bit up here you're right
1:53:17i did i'd pick that's all right to
1:53:19define time and I'd I feel like my my my
1:53:23horizons have been expanded yet again
1:53:25prognosis of miyazaki yeah
1:53:27yep yep and John syracuse I would've
1:53:29done without you thanks for being here
1:53:31wouldn't miss it my favorite miyazaki
1:53:34movie i know i'm with you i'm right
1:53:36there with you
1:53:37and so that wraps it up if you liked
1:53:41this podcast check out episode 84 which
1:53:44is me and John talking about miyazaki
1:53:46and this gang in episode 144 talking
1:53:50about my neighbor totoro so thanks
1:53:52everybody out there for listening to the
1:53:54uncomfortable
1:53:55we'll see you next time