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0:00:00Kiki's flagging on broomstick and she

0:00:03has a cat now she's over a town which is

0:00:05a place where people live she's

0:00:08encountering problems with weather and a

0:00:10there which is here come some sea gulls

0:00:13watch out for the boot keep it a bit

0:00:15uncomfortable number 194 my 24-team

0:00:28welcome back to the uncomfortable

0:00:30podcast I'm your host Jason Snelling

0:00:32we're back to talk about another one of

0:00:33the movies of hayao miyazaki the great

0:00:37japanese animation writer director

0:00:39producer everything we did a whole

0:00:41episode about him that was just the only

0:00:44two person episode ever of the cover was

0:00:46just me and John talking about miyazaki

0:00:48movies and then we did the whole episode

0:00:50about my neighbor totoro with this very

0:00:54panel and I wanted to get the band back

0:00:55together because we had such a great

0:00:56time to talk about my favorite miyazaki

0:00:59movie

0:01:00kiki's delivery service joining me to

0:01:02talk about Kiki are John siracusa hi

0:01:05John

0:01:06I'm ready is I i have no doubt you're

0:01:09ready we're not talking about Game of

0:01:11Thrones you know that right away what we

0:01:13know the scene where the cat murders

0:01:18that guy is just wow it was surprising

0:01:21gigi is coming that that's a steve lets

0:01:24you heard there I Steve know it's so

0:01:27good to be back in weird weird japan we

0:01:29get is smitten

0:01:30it's nice to be back here and and of

0:01:33course are our fourth member of our

0:01:35little of miyazaki movie club Marlon man

0:01:38I hi guys how's it going good to have

0:01:40you back

0:01:41that's great to be here everybody watch

0:01:43the movie has every seen the moving

0:01:44going to watch the movie now seeing this

0:01:47one couple three times

0:01:49yeah yeah I watched it uh I watched it

0:01:53today and i watched it with the Japanese

0:01:56audio track on the subtitles for i think

0:01:58only the second time although to be fair

0:02:00it was the last two times I watched him

0:02:02i watched it that way but i have it i

0:02:04feel like i have the disney dub version

0:02:06ingrained in my mind and that when we

0:02:08talk about anime this is always the

0:02:10issue is

0:02:11no what's the real version and there

0:02:13really isn't a real version unless you

0:02:14speak Japanese because you're either

0:02:15relying on the subtitles to tell you

0:02:17things is what we had that moment where

0:02:19my wife and I were watching it and

0:02:20saying oh well that's different in the

0:02:22in the in this version and we tried to

0:02:24describe a certain level of authority to

0:02:26the subtitles i'm not sure we can do

0:02:27that either so you definitely cannot

0:02:30because I don't know much Japanese but i

0:02:31know enough Japanese to know when the

0:02:33subtitles are incorrect very incorrect

0:02:35often

0:02:35yeah i was looking on i think i think

0:02:37the wikipedia page even says like when I

0:02:40was suspicious about the let's have some

0:02:42hot chocolate and I was like that's

0:02:44coffee that's because why is she putting

0:02:45a lot of sugar in her hot chocolate is

0:02:48the book that most coarse ground hot

0:02:50chocolate I've ever seen in my life

0:02:53it's actually oval teed is that the boys

0:02:54in the town there's a disco right yeah

0:02:57you don't catch that all this done

0:02:59yeah well we can't have that would be

0:03:01crazy and i have no idea what they

0:03:03actually said but I even just minor

0:03:04things where the subtitles always spell

0:03:06things out where people are addressed by

0:03:08name or title

0:03:09okay dad I'll be right there and the

0:03:10actual dialogue is ok I feel fortunate

0:03:15in that apparently the there was quite a

0:03:18bit of controversy over the original

0:03:19disney dub of this although it

0:03:21apparently was okayed by miyazaki and

0:03:24dance studio ghibli is a good leader

0:03:27jiggly jiggly

0:03:29hey Benny you couldn't pronounce that

0:03:31you can I just I just I was reading that

0:03:33same thing today and it sounds like

0:03:35before you fire off the Horn I guess

0:03:37there was on there's 1i think pretty

0:03:40important plot point that sounds like it

0:03:42was completely different and yeah yeah

0:03:45yeahs the cat a cat related blood point

0:03:47captain yes exactly

0:03:49that's a really important one that

0:03:51changes the movie without what I had was

0:03:53it turns out i guess the 2010 disney dub

0:03:56where they actually yes scaled back some

0:03:58of the bombass that they added in and

0:04:01got rid of that particular messed up

0:04:04plot point and it works a lot better now

0:04:06i think and that's not the version i

0:04:08have i've got the you know whatever the

0:04:10previous DVD is what i have and this is

0:04:12a movie also that has been released on

0:04:13blu-ray in essentially every country in

0:04:16the world except the United States so

0:04:18far as i can tell

0:04:19so that's really nice thanks a lot

0:04:21disney disney yeah it kills me i will we

0:04:26didn't do this for a while because I was

0:04:27just waiting for that blu-ray to come

0:04:28out and it's like no no sign of it don't

0:04:31know what's going on

0:04:32once you once you get the gospel from

0:04:33siracusa and decided that it's time to

0:04:35watch it in whatever version you watch

0:04:37subtitled instead of dubbed it ain't

0:04:40easy to do by conventional means in the

0:04:42u.s. almost say about that yeah well you

0:04:46can buy me the DVD you can't buy the

0:04:48disney DVD and watching japanese with

0:04:49english subtitles and Howard Howard the

0:04:52subtitles they get well and get your own

0:04:55ego to like open subtitles what's your

0:04:57go-to for that job

0:04:58yeah fansubs usually are almost always

0:05:01better than the official subtitles

0:05:03because you can choose when you're

0:05:05picking your fansubs you can pick the

0:05:06pedantic fansubs who were going to do

0:05:08literal translations and then it's gonna

0:05:10read kind of like I mean it doesn't make

0:05:12sense to pass the time but you could be

0:05:14talking like that car

0:05:15this is exactly the literal translation

0:05:17of what they're saying you have to

0:05:18figure out exactly like it would be like

0:05:20a translation of some French think it

0:05:22would be like a lightning delivery mail

0:05:24and be like I think they mean email you

0:05:26know think that's you have to figure

0:05:28that way or you can do the fan subs are

0:05:30trying to catch the spirit of adore you

0:05:31mean you can just pick your fansub crew

0:05:33who you think does a good job I and get

0:05:36the experience you want out of it but it

0:05:38sounds like the subs on the disney

0:05:39version are based on the script for the

0:05:42the original dub that was only available

0:05:45on a laserdisc and on like Japanese

0:05:47airplane and so it's not based on the

0:05:50actual like it its it's got like oh the

0:05:53humanity which is not you notice that

0:05:56was in the subs of mine and I think it's

0:05:58yeah it's not in the dub it was enraged

0:06:01out of a job that I saw although i guess

0:06:03it was in the original one

0:06:04let's see the thing with all these

0:06:06movies is like movies that are are aimed

0:06:08at children are good for children if you

0:06:10have children you will find yourself

0:06:11inevitably watching the doubles because

0:06:13little children can't read yeah and even

0:06:16though i've had my children watch many

0:06:17subtitled movies where I pipe literally

0:06:19sat on the couch and read them the

0:06:20subtitles and just have them watch it

0:06:22that way

0:06:22most of the time to watch in English and

0:06:24so at this point I've seen this movie

0:06:25dubbed more times than I've seen it

0:06:27subtitled by far because my kids used to

0:06:29watch it over and over and over and over

0:06:30again and i have to say as far as

0:06:32dubs go this is a pretty good dub all

0:06:35things considered I mean it's very

0:06:37different from the original version and

0:06:38in the beginning I resented it because

0:06:40of that but like totoro there is a

0:06:42certain charm to the dub to this movie

0:06:45Matthew Lawrence notwithstanding I like

0:06:47the fact that the second that this 2010

0:06:49DVD doesn't you know doesn't use the

0:06:52disney disney pop songs that were

0:06:57inserted at the beginning and the end

0:06:58and goes back to the Japanese songs and

0:07:00right because that kind of rubbed me the

0:07:01wrong way there are a lot of there are a

0:07:04lot of differences in this movie between

0:07:06the the English dub and and just reading

0:07:09with the subtitles i think the cat is

0:07:11actually the biggest one right because

0:07:12GG right is this high-pitched you know I

0:07:15have a cat kind of voice and it's phil

0:07:17hartman in English up and Gigi says so

0:07:20much less to yeah he says a lot and he's

0:07:23a wisecracker an animal sidekick and me

0:07:25that's kind of a big deal really because

0:07:27I mean isn't he effectively supposed to

0:07:29be sort of the representation of kikis

0:07:31childhood there are sort of immature

0:07:34thoughts on court according to that fact

0:07:37that we are apparently read on the

0:07:38internet yes but I'm I don't entirely

0:07:40like that that maybe have been our

0:07:42intention when a tournament to phil

0:07:43hartman like it it's totally different

0:07:46and you can you can reject it and say

0:07:48well that's not how this movie is

0:07:49supposed to be but I still feel like

0:07:50phil hartman works as phil hartman in

0:07:52the context of the dub it works but it

0:07:54is real different I mean we're watching

0:07:56it in in the subtitled version uses a

0:08:01lot less it has a much more feminine

0:08:03voice I mean I guess I'm i don't i'm

0:08:06guessing GG still of a gendered boy I

0:08:09don't know

0:08:10well I is he has children later Lily it

0:08:13seems pretty clearly to be a girl

0:08:14well be normative the money shot circuit

0:08:20city is not feeling adoption service is

0:08:22also part of her it was the fifties and

0:08:25world war two hadn't happened was a

0:08:26complicated time

0:08:27but-but-but-but another sigh I don't

0:08:30want you know go crazy here but there's

0:08:31a lot that hinges on like what you

0:08:33think's going on with that cat and she

0:08:35told anybody says a lot less and GT

0:08:38really reads less as a wiseacre than

0:08:40english version and much more is like

0:08:42kind of

0:08:44overabundance of caution not a pessimist

0:08:47exactly but almost like the kind of

0:08:48nagging like what super-ego I guess you

0:08:51know that's kind of like telling her you

0:08:53will be careful what you're doing here

0:08:54but he goes with the flow much more in

0:08:55the original Phil Hartman does fill the

0:08:58role of you know

0:08:59c-3po oh my goodness should be going to

0:09:01the asteroid field blah blah right but

0:09:04there's almost no way that you can

0:09:05construe him as sort of a part of her

0:09:07subconscious and in that feeling away

0:09:09anyways she does not have that sort of

0:09:11wisecracker e-science and that's what

0:09:14that's what he's offering seems to be in

0:09:15a different movie because her reaction

0:09:17him is not the appropriate reaction that

0:09:19you would be you would expect to have 44

0:09:21you know for his character and in the

0:09:22dubbed version you know he's great

0:09:24though I i gotta say i absolutely love

0:09:26his character in this even though he's

0:09:28basically a feline Paul Lynde in fact I

0:09:29didn't even recognize the magical

0:09:31apartment

0:09:31originally I was trying to place the

0:09:33voices like a screw it i'm gonna go with

0:09:35Poland and that worked out fine for me

0:09:38because he gets all the best lines i

0:09:39think this is his last voiceover

0:09:41performance that he did I mean the last

0:09:43performance it was was those last

0:09:45episode of newsradio but i think this

0:09:46was his last voiceover and you know yeah

0:09:49there are moments where you can tell

0:09:51like like there's the scene where at the

0:09:54very beginning where keys mom wants her

0:09:57to use use her broom once once Kiki use

0:10:03her old broom and not this new broom the

0:10:05key is made and kikis like it's old its

0:10:09stupid you know it's very teenager kind

0:10:11of thing to say and in the original the

0:10:14least what the sub says is she turns to

0:10:17G&G is like yeah you should use your

0:10:19mom's room and in the enemy in the dub

0:10:22it's like I don't know i think your

0:10:24broom is kind of crappy you should you

0:10:26you know let's take let's take the old

0:10:28one right it's just your broom is nice

0:10:30use your moms so intent yeah yeah yeah

0:10:33so it's a different it's just very

0:10:35different where he's he's acting as a

0:10:36character whereas in the original it

0:10:38does read sort of like this is the you

0:10:40know I know you're rebelling but you

0:10:42should just take it from your mother go

0:10:43ahead it's just different very different

0:10:46we could probably talk in large broad

0:10:49strokes about the story the story's

0:10:51pretty terrible without ruining the

0:10:52whole thing anything

0:10:53yeah let's let's little not much as

0:10:56usual after two not

0:10:58much not much happened that's what I

0:11:00said on our first miyazaki podcast I

0:11:02said that this is one of those movies

0:11:04where there is no real antagonist it's

0:11:07just sort of things happen and as I said

0:11:10at the time sort of like the weather the

0:11:12weather is an antagonist here and

0:11:14circumstance only very briefly I mean at

0:11:17any any given thing that would probably

0:11:19be like a horrible you know a time for

0:11:21something awful to happen in a regular

0:11:23disney movie or some other animated film

0:11:25is more or less resolved in a couple of

0:11:26seconds like his propeller takes off and

0:11:29you're expecting like something horrible

0:11:30to happen and you know next scene it

0:11:33cuts to the next scene is just sitting

0:11:34there with a propeller it's always

0:11:37realistic in a way that we said this in

0:11:39total episode that in the way the total

0:11:41was realistic not so much and that is

0:11:43magical flying things or that they're

0:11:44witches or anything like that but the

0:11:46characters behavior a little evil ways

0:11:48and the things that happened or sort of

0:11:49the mundane things that happen in life

0:11:50sometimes your mother gets sick

0:11:52sometimes people travel from place to

0:11:54place and pick vegetables and move into

0:11:56an old house sometimes you move to a new

0:11:58town you meet people you make friends

0:12:01you get your feelings hurt like but

0:12:03nothing it with the exception of the

0:12:04very end of the movie nothing out of the

0:12:06ordinary that might not happen in real

0:12:08life happens in this movie and you're

0:12:09always expecting it to be like well this

0:12:11has to be heightened drama or

0:12:13exaggerated action or surely something

0:12:15terrible or amazing or fantastic is

0:12:17going to happen and again until the very

0:12:20end which is still vaguely plausible

0:12:21kind of disaster type scenario it is

0:12:24very sort of run-of-the-mill and that I

0:12:27think is what draws me so much to this

0:12:28movie is that it feels it feels more

0:12:32like real life in a relaxed sort of way

0:12:34that lets you connect with the things

0:12:36that are happening you're just saying

0:12:37all these things could have or have

0:12:38happened to me with again with the

0:12:40possible exception of the end even

0:12:42though I'm not a witch or whatever i'm

0:12:44just not accustomed to these these

0:12:45gentle movements minutes every time I

0:12:48see something like we see key lighting

0:12:50the fire from the point of view inside

0:12:51the oven and the grandmother is looking

0:12:53on behind her sort of benevolently and I

0:12:55I keep finding myself thinking look at

0:12:57she's gonna push you in

0:12:58yeah that all of you are so they can

0:13:00burn the wig not not that kind of movie

0:13:02I know but it's it's that kind of stuff

0:13:04has been so ingrained for all the

0:13:06animated features i watched my entire

0:13:07life like something terrible is going to

0:13:09happen to parents gonna die

0:13:11you know she's gonna lean too far off

0:13:13over the side of the bike and shred her

0:13:15ear off on the road to heaven watching

0:13:17watching these movies with my kids when

0:13:19they were little and we we all watched

0:13:20it as a family today with the subtitles

0:13:23on which is fun because again they're

0:13:25all they all can do it now but watching

0:13:28when they were little you know my both

0:13:31of my kids my son especially but both of

0:13:32them when they were like really scary

0:13:35moments are there were really bad people

0:13:36they would hide or they wouldn't like it

0:13:38and one of the great things about these

0:13:40miyazaki movies and especially about

0:13:42Kiki is there's nothing like that in

0:13:45here it's a great it's a really great

0:13:46fun movie but there that that is not

0:13:48there isn't a villain who is doing

0:13:51villainous things it's just it's it's

0:13:53very different and it ended you know the

0:13:55whole movie feels different because of

0:13:57it she has no enemy that she's bad right

0:14:00at any point right yeah i don't know i

0:14:02don't have enough to if it's an anime

0:14:04thing but it definitely is like miyazaki

0:14:06thing that they're very spacious about

0:14:08making this story I mean one other way

0:14:10that it's like totoro to me at least in

0:14:12my own head is that you know childhood

0:14:15growing up really your whole life but

0:14:17especially up through your teen years

0:14:18you're just constantly confronted with

0:14:20things that just kind of makes sense and

0:14:22you know and whether there's all kinds

0:14:24of stuff especially intro we're like we

0:14:25said before like did that really happen

0:14:27or not know maybe it doesn't matter in

0:14:29some ways in the movie it's just that

0:14:30for a kid

0:14:31there's so much mystery to stuff that

0:14:33happens there's so many things that you

0:14:34can't understand you try to base on a

0:14:36previous experience and that

0:14:38spaciousness of not having somebody

0:14:40tried to poison you with an apple or not

0:14:41trying to throw you into an oven

0:14:43there's a lot of space for this to be

0:14:44about the kind of personal terminally he

0:14:46says as much i need i read one of the

0:14:48things an introduction to the maybe the

0:14:50manga of this where he said you know

0:14:52that this is it's it's not difficult to

0:14:54go out and be on your own and make money

0:14:56it's difficult to have like

0:14:58self-realization until I grow up that's

0:15:00the hard part and I think that's that

0:15:01spaciousness really works in these

0:15:02movies once you once you get past

0:15:04expecting an anvil to fall on somebody

0:15:06you know things like in the pacing of

0:15:09this movie and most of his movies like

0:15:10most anime it has a focus on kind of

0:15:12sensory experiences as several many many

0:15:15scenes in movies involved but even if

0:15:17you just look at the pacing of like he

0:15:19just showed three shots and that didn't

0:15:21include the main character that had no

0:15:23I'll our music going over them just as

0:15:25sort of a way to transition you from one

0:15:27day they weren't establishing shots or

0:15:28whatever it's like so many scenes in

0:15:30this movie if you tear it apart you're

0:15:32like wait a second that like someone had

0:15:34to sit there and draw that scene that

0:15:35scene in that scene and between this 60

0:15:38seconds there's no dialogue and like not

0:15:40like why is that even in the movies like

0:15:41we got to make it fast you gotta cut you

0:15:43have tighter it's got to be action

0:15:44action we got a dialogue scene right you

0:15:46know and this movie is not like that and

0:15:48and i think the lingering on those

0:15:51things it's not it's not like a Malik

0:15:52film like he's not lingering on you like

0:15:54a tree growing out from an acorn

0:15:55something like it's not it's not that

0:15:57level but it is very much influences the

0:16:00pace and experience of watching this

0:16:02movie maybe not for kids maybe only for

0:16:03adults but i watch it and you know if I

0:16:05haven't seen a movie in a long time i'm

0:16:07just always amazed that sort of how it

0:16:09how just unwind and just sort of rolls

0:16:12out in front of you and it had its own

0:16:15pace sort of at the pace of life instead

0:16:16about the pace of like narrative there's

0:16:19a particular scene in that in that vein

0:16:21that really stood out for me which is

0:16:23when there's very deliberate long seen

0:16:26if Kiki at the bakery counter just

0:16:28staring out the window sort of your

0:16:30flight and reflections of people walking

0:16:32by and see if it's there it's its total

0:16:34silence and she's watching you know that

0:16:36the boy on the bike pulls up and the

0:16:38girl gets on the bike and drives on and

0:16:40it's just it but that's it that's their

0:16:41version of an action scene like we're

0:16:43getting married of things like because

0:16:44now it's like what happens

0:16:46she's bored she's inside she has to work

0:16:48the girl that the boy comes up in the

0:16:49scooter the girl who's better dressed

0:16:51than she is gets on the bike gets on the

0:16:53bike sidesaddle and they go off together

0:16:55and she remains inside like that and yes

0:16:57there are many scenes in here that have

0:16:59no dollar but that's like an action

0:17:00scene is like oh we are developing the

0:17:02character we're showing we are showing

0:17:03how she feels

0:17:04by showing what she sees even though she

0:17:06has a slight expression the entire time

0:17:08sort of like bringing bringing you into

0:17:10the inner life of this girl without

0:17:11giving you a voiceover even as an action

0:17:14scene though I mean it's just so many

0:17:15frames where there's just nothing

0:17:17happening nothing's moving thats quiet

0:17:19there's silence and you would never see

0:17:21that many frames go by without something

0:17:22happening in a an american animated film

0:17:25and I love that about it i think it's

0:17:27great i wrote that particular bit down

0:17:29because it just struck me you know this

0:17:31is so so different from what I'm used to

0:17:33you know growing up watching handlebar

0:17:36Berra cartoons & you think of the

0:17:38running joke about how you keep running

0:17:39past the same window over and over and

0:17:42there's so much like unnecessary

0:17:44I mean a positive way unnecessary luxury

0:17:46to the pacing of the scenes but also the

0:17:49incredible amount of detail and the

0:17:50glistening water and stuff but I mean

0:17:52how many cartoons have you watched where

0:17:54it's just people eating for a few

0:17:57seconds or like Kiki waking up and you

0:17:59hear you when she wakes up in a room and

0:18:01she hears i just noticed this time

0:18:03watching it like I think it's that she

0:18:05had like a boat going by and she rolls

0:18:07over and look at the sheet uncovers GG

0:18:10and she kind of stirs a little bit and

0:18:12then crawls back under the sheet

0:18:14it's just a delightful little little

0:18:15tone not necessary to anything about

0:18:18pushing the plot forward but you know in

0:18:20the same way it's like you're saying

0:18:20Steve the earlier Steve I think it's

0:18:23hard for somebody like me to readjust

0:18:24when you're expecting that ridiculous

0:18:26amount of pacing but you know the the

0:18:28scenery and the background and the

0:18:30activity and that most mundane to you i

0:18:32guess you could say is is really as I

0:18:35want a character in the movie it's so

0:18:37important that this not be pasted that

0:18:40way and then when it does happen you get

0:18:41to that amazing you know third act and

0:18:44suddenly it's like an explosion of

0:18:46activity it's like the end of totoro

0:18:47you're like wow this is like a whole

0:18:48different movie now there's stuff

0:18:49happening really underscores that even

0:18:53even in the middle of a the actual

0:18:54action scenes they have for example when

0:18:56they decide to do action even if it's

0:18:58just like oh she's leaving home and

0:19:00she's going along and she's like you

0:19:02know floating on her broom and then it

0:19:03starts to rain and that tiny sequence of

0:19:05it starts to rain zoom along the top of

0:19:06the thing going it's a couple seconds

0:19:08long or whatever but they do a good job

0:19:10again with going down the hill on the

0:19:11bike leaning into the turns that is a

0:19:13very well done exciting action scene

0:19:16it's like boy where it's as if the

0:19:18camera is like still and lingering in

0:19:20common with the action scenes come the

0:19:22camera knows exactly what to do to make

0:19:24the action scenes exciting in short

0:19:26bursts building up to the big finale on

0:19:27but even in the middle like when they

0:19:28when they need to do that they do it

0:19:30very very well and you know and go back

0:19:33to real life and it its it's like her

0:19:35life where it's mostly just the mundane

0:19:37part of living your life punctuated by

0:19:39these significant events it's great that

0:19:41they can they can do something that sort

0:19:43of action-packed without necessarily

0:19:44having a whole bunch of craziness going

0:19:47on

0:19:48like during that sequence where she

0:19:49leaves home that you're talking about i

0:19:51just made a note this flying sequence

0:19:53actually feels dangerous and it really

0:19:54does because they do such a good job of

0:19:56making her seem like she's unsure on her

0:19:58broom and she's clearly unbelievably

0:20:01high up in the air and it just you watch

0:20:03that and there's not that much going on

0:20:05relatively on screen but yet you know i

0:20:07was getting vertigo watching the thing I

0:20:10liked to seen the the in terms of a

0:20:12hanna-barbera style animation the thing

0:20:14that i noticed i mean when she goes and

0:20:16visits her friend painter in the

0:20:18countryside I had that moment its like a

0:20:20this is Miyazaki's like finally the

0:20:22countryside I could do my all my totoro

0:20:24stuff like a big trees and water

0:20:27glistening and and you know that's nice

0:20:29and and you know field stretching out to

0:20:32heels in the background but early on

0:20:34there's the scene where she's the first

0:20:36person she encounters when she's on her

0:20:38broom is this other witch who's who's

0:20:41bitchy right she's like a nice night

0:20:43isn't it well it was this terrible but

0:20:47uh there's kiki is learning to fly and

0:20:50at one point the the witch asked her to

0:20:53turn off a radio and she reaches Davis

0:20:55exact noted she reaches down to turn off

0:20:58the radio and the broom Bob's down and

0:21:00she has to compensate and get it back to

0:21:02come back up because just the act of

0:21:04leaning forward like that it's like

0:21:06taking your hands off the steering wheel

0:21:07it you know she's not an expert at

0:21:09keeping level and then she bobs back up

0:21:11and it's a little moment but it you know

0:21:14that that's a lot of animation work to

0:21:16do that and yet it feels so much more

0:21:18real because then you realize she is

0:21:21struggling to keep it together and you

0:21:24know it's not easy for her but you know

0:21:26again if you're coming quarters and as

0:21:29an animator you would never show

0:21:31something like that because it gives you

0:21:32hints about the physics of flying broom

0:21:35and you know and it's not in a straight

0:21:37line and and yet we see it in in this

0:21:41movie and and i love that i absolutely

0:21:44love that that's the luxury of miyazaki

0:21:46movies is that you know like so that

0:21:48first of the miyazaki movies on is the

0:21:50traditional ones they have beautifully

0:21:51painted background which are more or

0:21:52less static they may pan across them or

0:21:54like zoom in on me

0:21:55whatever right and those are beautiful

0:21:57like paintings in and of themselves and

0:21:58you have the character animation / and

0:22:00you know no matter how minor the scene

0:22:02in a feature-length miyazaki movie

0:22:04that's no matter what the scene is some

0:22:07person put their entire life and being

0:22:09into that scene so I'm not the note that

0:22:11i have in this is the but you have to

0:22:13which is flying alongside each other and

0:22:15then in a lesser movie any lesser

0:22:17animated movie the two people will be

0:22:19flying alongside each other and talking

0:22:21and they would never be that Bob and

0:22:23then if you watch it with the daily note

0:22:24that has it she bobs when she adjusts

0:22:27the radio when she comes back up she

0:22:29really just her dress because she wants

0:22:31to regain her composure so that you can

0:22:32continue having a conversation and some

0:22:34guy had to animate those you know 200

0:22:37frames of animation or whatever it is

0:22:39and like eat he or she poured their

0:22:42heart and soul into that animation and

0:22:44thought about I mean occupy key frame to

0:22:46do whatever and that like there are no

0:22:48like oh and this is just a scene where

0:22:50this dialogue so don't worry about it or

0:22:51this isn't a big same route are going

0:22:53better or in this scene bridge in this

0:22:55scene we're just worried about the

0:22:56background so don't worry about like

0:22:57every single moment you know and that's

0:23:00the luxury of these movies like you know

0:23:01they just poured every ounce of time and

0:23:04money and effort into it it's like the

0:23:06you know this able to get apple hardware

0:23:08whatever someone sweats over every

0:23:10little detail in a future like miyazaki

0:23:12someone supposed to every little detail

0:23:13kids are not going to notice this but it

0:23:15allows adults to rewatch these things

0:23:17again and again and pick out new things

0:23:18every time I saw that cumulative effect

0:23:20what you're describing and you know it

0:23:22when you're saying that i'm thinking

0:23:23like in any other movie the two broom

0:23:25sticks with literally be parallel and

0:23:27equidistant the entire time the two

0:23:29characters are talking and you know it

0:23:31now I'm thinking about that more now and

0:23:33I'm realizing like from through the

0:23:34entire movie there's one thing that's

0:23:36always sustained that adds to her

0:23:39character something you don't see a lot

0:23:40which is that she really has to

0:23:42concentrate to fly you know usually

0:23:45which hop and she's going on a chopper

0:23:47and taking off and in this case where

0:23:48you can really tell that it's taken

0:23:50especially at the end when she's

0:23:51actually like my favorite scene in the

0:23:52movie where she's sweating because

0:23:54you're spiring to try and be able to fly

0:23:56which is going to mojo back

0:23:58but that whole sense all the way through

0:24:00that you know what a weird balance it is

0:24:02though that we could see this 13 year

0:24:04old girl who has trouble flying or never

0:24:06liked that worried that she's gonna like

0:24:08you know flying door

0:24:09heller blade or something there's not

0:24:10that constant sense of danger I'm kind

0:24:12of worried when when she in the credits

0:24:14when she's right in front of pacing

0:24:16tambo and his little bicycle airplane i

0:24:18have a little worried about hurting

0:24:20people that someone actually yes

0:24:22somebody's very enthusiastic kind of

0:24:24just like just don't take your eyes off

0:24:25the ball here to here you get chopped up

0:24:27is a very enthusiastic young man that's

0:24:29what I worry about it but not until that

0:24:31point I think my biggest moment of

0:24:32concern is in that end sequence where

0:24:34she's getting along maybe a foot above

0:24:35the ground

0:24:36oh yeah that there's sort of a star wars

0:24:39trench sequence that goes on really

0:24:40really just like she's on a skateboard

0:24:42at that moment right she's like she

0:24:44doesn't land on the ground but she's

0:24:46she's flying inches off the ground and

0:24:49the camera is low downright the

0:24:51perspective there is work where we're

0:24:53low at ground level and we're watching

0:24:55her just kind of skitter across the the

0:24:58the street to get to that to the airship

0:25:01she's got that stance of like those

0:25:03knobs that drive there

0:25:04suzuki motorcycles down the freeway with

0:25:06their bare feet up on the back of the

0:25:08tail

0:25:08also she's um I early on talking about

0:25:12how she flies in the way it works when

0:25:13she first takes off she you know she

0:25:15kind of goes sideways and she hits a

0:25:17tree and then she hits another tree and

0:25:19and in the ne in the subtitle version

0:25:22you see the she you see you go over one

0:25:26tree right and and uh and then another

0:25:29tree shake so there's an implied

0:25:30collision and then the father says oh

0:25:34she's you know now she's over the lake

0:25:36she'll be fine but you don't see you

0:25:38don't you don't see her take off into

0:25:39the horizon flying straight like any

0:25:41other movie would write like she's

0:25:43writing herself now and she's figured

0:25:44out how to fly

0:25:45no she was nowhere in sight she's not

0:25:47going straight she's going sideways she

0:25:48doesn't have it together and then and

0:25:50it's funny because then you see your go

0:25:52past the one tree and you're like well

0:25:54now what and the other tree shakes and

0:25:56you're like no she's got again but in

0:25:57its much played much broad much more

0:26:01broadly in the Disney dub version where

0:26:03the whole way you can actually hear i

0:26:05think GG and there's a little bit of

0:26:06Kiki kind of like you know not that dro

0:26:09there we go again right there's there's

0:26:11many ways but more dialogue in the

0:26:13american version because the Japanese

0:26:14versions of all these films they trust

0:26:16the audience understand what's going on

0:26:18about having characters you know what

0:26:20having characters just you know spell

0:26:22out what's going on or have the

0:26:24reassuring line of dialogue to make sure

0:26:25you know what's happening or that you

0:26:27know what here comes with it

0:26:28that's that seems to be the way they

0:26:31take anime and bring it to America like

0:26:32well obviously we need our characters to

0:26:34talk more soon as characters aren't on

0:26:35the screen and they can add lines to

0:26:37them because the mouth what you want to

0:26:38see the mouth moving like they're

0:26:39off-screen it's like yeah start putting

0:26:41a dialogue so the kids can follow along

0:26:43and that the Japanese movies just trust

0:26:45kids and adults and everyone to be able

0:26:47to understand what's going without

0:26:48saying anything and took to their credit

0:26:50like they have like long sequences in

0:26:52this movie where for example she

0:26:54delivers the herring pine the rain and

0:26:57it's wet and tombos waiting for her and

0:26:58she comes back home and she has a couple

0:27:00words with a sauna going up the stairs

0:27:02but there's a long sequence where she

0:27:04just kind of like silently returning and

0:27:08walked into her room and then walks up

0:27:10to her bed and then does the big flop on

0:27:12the bed because again totally realistic

0:27:14and that whole long sequence doesn't

0:27:16have any words or even facial

0:27:18expressions let you know what she's

0:27:19thinking but they trusted like you will

0:27:21understand her situation you know what

0:27:23she's thinking when she flops headfirst

0:27:24onto the bed it is not a shock because

0:27:26that's exactly what we all expected to

0:27:28do at that point because we are with her

0:27:29emotionally through the entire sequence

0:27:30and it's not because there was a

0:27:32voiceover or there was yelling or

0:27:34screaming back and forth or anything

0:27:35like that

0:27:35also i have a twelve-year-old daughter

0:27:36and I've seen that happen in my house

0:27:39narrow in fact my daughter was like oh I

0:27:42do that Maggie

0:27:43yup yup you do I honestly I think the

0:27:46Japanese version is funnier when she

0:27:48takes off and hits the trees

0:27:49I think it's funny that it's absolutely

0:27:51silent and everybody's tensely watching

0:27:53if she's gonna be able to do this and

0:27:55she has this chino she's got an audience

0:27:57which is I mean talk about the worst

0:27:59thing in the world it's nice that

0:27:59everybody comes and says goodbye to her

0:28:01but then they have to watch it she tries

0:28:03to fly and then and then after all of

0:28:05that and sheets the tree but she writes

0:28:07herself and it's kinda like okay it's

0:28:08gonna be okay and she goes over the

0:28:10other trainer like all right she's on

0:28:11her way and then the other tree shakes

0:28:12and it's like oh no and it's subtle but

0:28:15it's really really funny and it's more

0:28:18sticky and me in the dubbed version i

0:28:19mean i don't wanna make this all about

0:28:20subs and dubs but i think it's funny

0:28:22that it's a different kind of humor and

0:28:23I i liked it in the good news is i think

0:28:26they scale that back that broad comedy a

0:28:28little bit in the 2010 version because i

0:28:30don't recall there being a whole lot of

0:28:31chatter

0:28:32on during a sequence but just hitting

0:28:34the trees and then the bells ringing

0:28:35that's not hear the bells ringing she

0:28:37hits that last tree but i don't remember

0:28:39hearing GG say anything at all

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0:30:57and the uncomfortable like Indiana Jones

0:31:00though the whole way that you're going

0:31:03to get the audience to identify with

0:31:04this character is it can't look easy

0:31:06it's actually has to be vulnerable and

0:31:09she has to not do well in many things so

0:31:11like she's setting off on an adventure

0:31:12and if you want the audience to feel

0:31:14like this is an adventure because it's

0:31:16not like going to save the kingdom or

0:31:18you know anything like that she's just

0:31:21going to first of all she's leaving home

0:31:22with 13 you have to make that feel more

0:31:24fraught that does like oh they used to

0:31:26do this because seems crazy you leave

0:31:27the moment 13 but she's a witch named

0:31:29the special thing and she's like she's

0:31:32on her broom on her own

0:31:34destination unknown that has to feel

0:31:36like an adventure and from the very

0:31:37beginning it feels like an adventure

0:31:38because just getting off the ground is

0:31:40an adventure just leaving town

0:31:41successfully adventure and then it and

0:31:43rain is rain adventure rains an

0:31:45adventure like what do you do when it

0:31:46rains you don't have any place to go you

0:31:48going to turn around and go back home

0:31:49and you know go like your father

0:31:51whispering here you can always come back

0:31:52home if you want to you know like it you

0:31:55have to identify with her vulnerability

0:31:58right off the bat and so it does feel

0:32:00like an adventure to if you were just to

0:32:02write down the events what happens

0:32:03that's not much of an adventure but it

0:32:05really feels like it you know sleeping

0:32:06with the cows waking up in a new place

0:32:08on the train coming into the town across

0:32:11the water with the gulls like that's not

0:32:14much happening but you feel it through

0:32:17her because you immediately identify

0:32:18with her as in overhead yeah when she

0:32:22gets to the city and and this is my ah

0:32:27before i brag about it to talk about

0:32:28setting here because this is this is a

0:32:30fascinating thing and that this is a

0:32:32movie when you watch totoro you're

0:32:33watching a movie about Japanese people

0:32:35in Japan when you watch kiki's delivery

0:32:37service

0:32:38you're watching japanese movie in

0:32:40Japanese or originally at least maybe

0:32:42dubbed in english about characters who

0:32:45are in an undefined northern european

0:32:48country where a lot of the writing is in

0:32:52English or in a fake Germanic kind of

0:32:56language in fact there's there's even

0:32:58some english language

0:32:59stuff happening in the background of the

0:33:01japanese version to imply that this is

0:33:03Europe or something Europe ish and the

0:33:05look of it is according to wikipedia you

0:33:09know it was a mostly based on stuff in

0:33:11Sweden I've actually been the city looks

0:33:13like Stockholm a lot of the stuff in the

0:33:15countryside looks like this B which is

0:33:17um on this in Scotland which is an

0:33:20island in the baltic sea I've been to

0:33:21both of those places there there's a

0:33:23there's a scene where she's walking down

0:33:24the street at one point that I i pointed

0:33:25out of myself i have been on that street

0:33:27like I can tell what the references are

0:33:29but it's also fascinating because it's

0:33:31like it there's some some cognitive

0:33:33dissonance there it's like a weight i'm

0:33:35used to seeing these japanese animated

0:33:37movies about Japan and that's not what

0:33:40this is this is this is I can't even

0:33:42know that what's the name of the of the

0:33:44bakery it's like this for you do keep on

0:33:47just more good sport gooder right it

0:33:50would yeah right

0:33:51it's it's not it's not Japanese all the

0:33:54writing is not it's sort of fascinating

0:33:55how you you got to think about like how

0:33:57this was was playing for a Japanese

0:33:59audience that you know that's all of the

0:34:02non-japanese writing and sending a

0:34:03signal that this is happening in in

0:34:05Europe so I thought that was I thought

0:34:08that was really interesting to it makes

0:34:09this feel very different in that way

0:34:11from and it's storybook here up kind of

0:34:14thanks to rebook mid century Europe but

0:34:17it's definitely not like totoro where

0:34:18you know you're in Japan and this is

0:34:20about the Japanese countryside all

0:34:22settings are realistic in that integral

0:34:24like it's a house in the country and you

0:34:26have right and rice fields and that's

0:34:27what it looks like it here even though

0:34:28this is an amalgam kind of its like a

0:34:30composite character of Health European

0:34:32cities but it is a real living City that

0:34:35isn't that is not the enemy nor is it

0:34:36your friend it's just a city where

0:34:38people work where people do the things

0:34:39in there are people who were Kurt to you

0:34:41and there's there are you know strangers

0:34:44on the street and their people who are

0:34:45nice to you and their friends and their

0:34:46classes and there's like it is it like

0:34:48it is an entire working city and after

0:34:51watching this movie so many times like I

0:34:53can't imagine any adult who wouldn't

0:34:55want to live in that city because it is

0:34:56ideal lot it is idealized to integrate

0:34:58they have everything they have the

0:34:59beautiful scenery that nice people they

0:35:01have good bakeries you can live in the

0:35:03woods and drink resetar birds

0:35:05yeah right which is why would you

0:35:07deliver stuff yeah yeah I'm not not not

0:35:10that well that's and a part of Stockholm

0:35:11but it's

0:35:12modeled after is the old town in the

0:35:14centre-right is there's the whole city

0:35:15and then there's the part where the

0:35:16tourists like me go and and say wow this

0:35:19is so quaint and beautiful and that's

0:35:21what this movie is showing right it's

0:35:24the beautiful village ii old European

0:35:27streets and things like that and then

0:35:29and then beautiful countryside when we

0:35:31get out to where the painter is going to

0:35:33paint Kiki but definitely not naked in

0:35:35the village definitely is it has it

0:35:37vaguely Germanic feel although tombos

0:35:39clothes are more flaming League a

0:35:41Frenchman I think interesting well i

0:35:43think you're going for Sweden or Denmark

0:35:44but yeah sure it's yours is that is that

0:35:47a Swedish look I don't know Europe

0:35:49well I found at one point one of the

0:35:50flags is like a yellow it's one of those

0:35:53would cross is like you see in the

0:35:55Scandinavian countries but it's like

0:35:56yellow one purple and I'm like all going

0:35:58up cot flags flags we don't recognize it

0:36:00crazy flag is that well when I'm when I

0:36:03would have been in Scandinavia it's like

0:36:04okay is this the yellow one the blue or

0:36:06is this the yellow on the red or is this

0:36:08the white on the blue I don't know

0:36:10because they're like I'm color blind to

0:36:12see if the guys don't make everything in

0:36:14X or even come on don't do that but but

0:36:18purple yellow and purple like I'm

0:36:20confident is not an actual country

0:36:22that's the made-up country that Kiki

0:36:24lives in apparently but so anyway when

0:36:27they get to the once you get to the town

0:36:29she causes a traffic jam and almost an

0:36:31accident and and i noticed for the very

0:36:34first time that a bus zooms by her that

0:36:36is with the label simply to do is really

0:36:38on it that made me laugh and then and

0:36:42then and tombo basically gets her out of

0:36:48trouble with the police by saying help

0:36:50beef somebody stole my something and and

0:36:53she runs the other way which I i like

0:36:55that moment of you know she is here she

0:36:58is a little desperate right i mean she

0:37:00is trying to make it and and you get

0:37:02that sense like when it later on when

0:37:04it's evening you know she needs to find

0:37:07a way she could tries to go to the hotel

0:37:09and they're like you know what are you

0:37:10talking about you don't have any

0:37:11identification you're just a kid sitting

0:37:13silently with the uneaten sandwich

0:37:15yes well done until until the cat eats

0:37:18as the Sun as the sun goes down you

0:37:20don't need her to talk to the cat back

0:37:22and forth for an entire scene of

0:37:23dialogue oh what are we going to do you

0:37:24I don't know

0:37:25just a bum about you don't need to do

0:37:27that you just need to have her sit there

0:37:28with your arms at your side with food in

0:37:29front of her not eating it and have the

0:37:31Sun going down and then just maybe have

0:37:33the cats a Kiki that's all you need you

0:37:36don't need to spell out what's going on

0:37:39so all that desperation and the feeling

0:37:40when she when she has that moment where

0:37:42the cop is so you stay right here and

0:37:43she's like I'm gonna go this way it's

0:37:45that it's like she's yes he should

0:37:47probably stay right but she's like it's

0:37:49going to be complicated it's gonna ruin

0:37:51her chance and it's again it's it's not

0:37:53a really nasty kind of she's desperate

0:37:57and needs to find a way to survive but

0:37:59that's what's happening here is she's

0:38:01disobeying the police to do think she's

0:38:03worried about most with the cop is that

0:38:05he's going to tell her parents

0:38:06yeah yeah yeah she wants to get on with

0:38:08her life she wants with this new life

0:38:10that she's dedicated herself to doing

0:38:12yeah and also not have her parents find

0:38:14out that she started a wreck also john

0:38:17you talk about that the the beautiful

0:38:19moments a little tiny details that some

0:38:21animator somewhere spent the there's a

0:38:23moment where tambo is in in that scene

0:38:25where he reveals that he cleverly made a

0:38:28diversion

0:38:29he is looking at her and riding his bike

0:38:32and almost runs into a garbage can

0:38:34yeah and has to adjust and go around the

0:38:36garbage can it's just like you don't

0:38:38it's amazing detail that's like that is

0:38:40detail of from a live-action world but

0:38:43they animated the whole thing and you

0:38:44can feel you again you can feel the

0:38:46physics of it you can see that he has to

0:38:48swerve many as to get back his bike back

0:38:50to straight and the b-bumps the garbage

0:38:52can and it and she wants the garbage can

0:38:55but he doesn't like he doesn't like

0:38:56Harpo Marx it into the garbage can know

0:38:58that he's trying to is trying to keep

0:39:00his composure you know I know it sounds

0:39:02silly but it's like I'm still burning

0:39:03off you know 40 years of of watching

0:39:05american cartoons and you know I get a

0:39:07little while and it's funny and it's

0:39:09real and then the movie goes on and

0:39:11tombos interest in her this is this is

0:39:13the you know I more cliche is that we

0:39:15this movie avoids that armors Atomos

0:39:17interest in her is because she is flying

0:39:19it's not while look at this gorgeous new

0:39:21girl that's flown into tent like it

0:39:23the in every other movie that the

0:39:25females only worth is how is how nice

0:39:27she looks and so that the first if you

0:39:29if there's some sort of something that

0:39:31happens at first sight it's like wow

0:39:33look at her like it even something like

0:39:35you know how to train your dragon where

0:39:36what's your name comes walking slow

0:39:37motion with explosion behind

0:39:39I'd like the whole point is she's

0:39:40beautiful and beautiful is is the way

0:39:42women are valuable and therefore and I

0:39:44mean that's fine for what it is but like

0:39:46the in this movie

0:39:48tambo is interested in her because she

0:39:50can fly literally fly and he is obsessed

0:39:52with flying and yes he's obviously you

0:39:54know it

0:39:55interested in our and kind of a

0:39:56boyfriend-girlfriend kind of way as well

0:39:58but that is not the plot of this movie

0:40:00that's not how this movie's gonna be

0:40:01resolved it's not important to this

0:40:03movie and he has a legitimate interest

0:40:04in her that is based on something that

0:40:07she can do that he can't he's just so

0:40:10flying around for pete's sake

0:40:12yeah well there's gonna be a huge party

0:40:15at the Flying Club the aviation club

0:40:18yeah and I've tried at the first couple

0:40:20times the movie I was lumping tambo in

0:40:22with the rich kids but now if you want

0:40:24to look closely like he is he's well off

0:40:26but he's not like the giant house on the

0:40:29cliff overlooking to see well off like

0:40:31his he lives in the sort of middle-class

0:40:34part of town and any place overlooking

0:40:36to us buyers to they all live on the

0:40:39cliff of what I'm talking like the one

0:40:40where they bring the little toy cat

0:40:41where that was like actually i own this

0:40:43entire Peninsula ok for the fashion

0:40:46designer woman who is like the fashion

0:40:48designer woman is not his mother right

0:40:50his mother just a regular person he's

0:40:51got a propeller on his bike his friends

0:40:53cars could piss like is probably the

0:40:55rolls-royce but a beat-up rolls-royce

0:40:57like you know that his friends going so

0:40:58yeah there's this definitely class

0:41:00structure going on here at this point of

0:41:02the movie I i really like that they

0:41:05don't make a big deal about the fact

0:41:06that she's which I mean it's just

0:41:08witches exist in this world and people

0:41:10know about it seems like their influence

0:41:12may be fading you know at least in the

0:41:14big cities but you know the time frame

0:41:16is modern it's like my grandmother told

0:41:18me right at least they have like

0:41:19electric ovens you know so it's not it's

0:41:21not easy but we're not going wrong in

0:41:23the past when which is in talking cat

0:41:24still roamed the land sort of territory

0:41:27key now there's airplanes and electric

0:41:30ovens but they're also old ladies who

0:41:32are suspicious of the electric ovens but

0:41:34that's a good part in the beginning of

0:41:36this movie like when this movie starts

0:41:37you you know from the posters or

0:41:39whatever that's gonna involve the witch

0:41:41riding on a broomstick but if you like

0:41:42my kids into the posters if you just

0:41:44bring a little kid into this clean and

0:41:46you see the mom making potions and stuff

0:41:48like that

0:41:48the movie has to eventually established

0:41:50like the rules of the universe

0:41:52and right up to the point where Kiki you

0:41:55know straddle the broom to leave her

0:41:56house and her hair starts ripping like

0:41:58that you're not sure what's up you're

0:41:59like well as witches and I guess they

0:42:02have dresses it seems like a normal

0:42:03family and they were gonna go camping

0:42:04and yes the moms potions or it's not a

0:42:06big deal but then it's like nope you can

0:42:08actually fly and it's magic is dramatic

0:42:10and it's beautifully animated and you

0:42:12know that is an exciting moment I think

0:42:14in the film for a little kid because

0:42:16they don't know what the rule if you

0:42:17don't show them the poster ahead of time

0:42:18with you shouldn't they don't know what

0:42:20the rules this world are up front and

0:42:21the animation when she takes off is is

0:42:24beautiful and and wonderful and not at

0:42:27all mundane like the act of flight is

0:42:30acknowledged for what it is like this is

0:42:32amazing and everyone who sees you do it

0:42:34to like she just flew did you see I mean

0:42:35it's not like they shouldn't be not

0:42:37falling over like they would be

0:42:38realistically speaking but it is it is

0:42:40given credit as as a important

0:42:43impressive thing through the how long

0:42:46they spend on it and how well it's

0:42:47animated the I was I I'm gonna mention

0:42:50the bakery now and I was trying to prep

0:42:52by its duty upon yeah but it's

0:42:55apparently pronounced gucci keep on

0:42:57which okay ponyo location which is taken

0:42:59from rock-scissors-paper fruit energy

0:43:02balagia haagen-dazs Tanya's bakery what

0:43:05they did in the dub they call the good

0:43:07cooking pan bakery which I thought was

0:43:08clever because they tried to try to get

0:43:09the same sounds into an english we're

0:43:11not the I like so there's all this all

0:43:16connects because for some reason a lady

0:43:19with a baby left the pacifier at the

0:43:22bakery and what let's talk about the

0:43:25first lady with the baby massively

0:43:27pregnant Osan oh yes well that's what i

0:43:29was going to say it so a giant huge

0:43:32pregnant lady comes out of the stores

0:43:34like a lady forgot your uh and so we

0:43:37meet us on oh yeah so what we're in the

0:43:40fifties I know they had two separate

0:43:41beds like i was at Ozzie and Harriet

0:43:43have the separate beds and they have the

0:43:44beds together and I was someone had the

0:43:46best I don't know the history of i

0:43:47cannot tell anybody

0:43:48listen Ricky yeah I seem to recall that

0:43:50like saying the word pregnant on early

0:43:53television was somewhat frowned upon and

0:43:56like in general like acknowledgement of

0:43:58the human reproductive process took a

0:44:00long time to come into live-action

0:44:02television for adults in our country can

0:44:04you think of another car

0:44:05tune that acknowledges human

0:44:07reproduction is a great showing a

0:44:08massively I mean maybe tom and jerry did

0:44:11it because they did a lot of raunchy

0:44:11stuff they're having and pretend to be

0:44:13pregnant at some point I don't know but

0:44:15like it she is it like an ad of the

0:44:18people must move your style is right but

0:44:20she's more or less the anatomically only

0:44:22slightly exaggerated gigantic pregnant

0:44:25moment in a cartoon for children and

0:44:27that shouldn't be impressive because

0:44:28that's how we all got here but so much

0:44:30of it

0:44:32cartoons for children or any program for

0:44:34children does not acknowledge how people

0:44:35come to be at all and this movie doesn't

0:44:38shy away from it and there it is and

0:44:39it's a very important part of the movie

0:44:40because she is one in a long line of

0:44:43potential role models for Kiki which we

0:44:45should get to at some point listing

0:44:46those out and I think that is an

0:44:48important part of the movie that I'm at

0:44:51sad that it's surprising or shocking but

0:44:53this is one phase of one possible phase

0:44:57of a woman's life

0:44:58also let's not forget that in most

0:45:00movies if you have a pregnant lady her

0:45:02being pregnant is an important part of

0:45:04the plot because the title character is

0:45:06that why else would she be pregnant is

0:45:08something is going to happen with her

0:45:10pregnancy and you know what happens in

0:45:12the pregnancy in this

0:45:14nothing is worth over the reddit there's

0:45:17you see that she's now had a baby

0:45:19well it's something some respects it's

0:45:21important because that's why she needs a

0:45:22little help around the beach for sure

0:45:24but I mean it's just not you

0:45:26she could say hey I need some help

0:45:28around the bakery I've been meaning to

0:45:29hire somebody but instead she's a giant

0:45:31presently when it's it's not emblematic

0:45:33of some problem in her relationship or

0:45:37or a big source of tension with no with

0:45:39her mate for the child is not a prophecy

0:45:42baby will have to hope they will bring

0:45:44the end of the world that we know John

0:45:46that we know right it's not it's not

0:45:47going to be secretly that's the Kings

0:45:50baby and there's nothing like that one

0:45:52of the things i do notice is that what

0:45:53only one of Gigi's cats kittens

0:45:57yeah black kitten and that black kitten

0:45:58comes with him to learn so that he can

0:46:01be presumably a kitten or a black cattle

0:46:04of the future which and I thought our

0:46:05the baby will be the next gen and I

0:46:08thought no this is not i gotta stop that

0:46:10means gigi is a horrible racist

0:46:11teammates with a white puffy cat needs a

0:46:14black not puffy but he does it once it

0:46:17when one kid got his

0:46:18mastic jeans the other ones are nice and

0:46:20composed and that one is this path

0:46:22station after the thread and fallin also

0:46:23in this universe the boy cats are all

0:46:25black and not puffy and the girl cats

0:46:27are all white and puffy

0:46:29I think that's cool what we learned

0:46:30small sample size

0:46:32yeah those are the only cats we see

0:46:34really so i could be wrong

0:46:35there's another can actually on the the

0:46:37other witches broom stick at the

0:46:38beginning yeah used to be female

0:46:40yes baby back at like stuck stuck up cat

0:46:43stuck-up witch

0:46:45yeah so I sano it was her role that the

0:46:49the panoply of role models that are

0:46:51presented to Kiki throughout this movie

0:46:52she's kind of in the middle here and

0:46:54she's showing the possibilities of

0:46:56motherhood

0:46:56this is one thing you can do is a woman

0:46:58as you can you give birth

0:46:59she's a business owner yes she's

0:47:02assertive I she is is not like as you

0:47:06mentioned not not sort of no pun

0:47:08intended coward by her pregnancy and she

0:47:10is pregnant she's pregnant but continues

0:47:14to to do all the things that she does

0:47:16she's also kind and charitable to Kiki

0:47:19but also expects her to you know to to

0:47:21work and earn her keep

0:47:23you know she's not just sitting in a

0:47:24rocking chair like standing herself and

0:47:26exhaling right exactly and even even at

0:47:30the end of the movie when she gives

0:47:32birth she's standing on the hill

0:47:33weatherhead up to her you know shielding

0:47:35her brow looking at Kiki flying through

0:47:37the air and the husband has the baby and

0:47:39is feeding it right but this is one

0:47:41possible future for Kiki I up until that

0:47:44moment are we even sure that he's her

0:47:45husband

0:47:46yeah it took me a while i think is great

0:47:47i didn't get that was another about on

0:47:49the screen

0:47:50baking is this is a strong silent type

0:47:53clearly it was a particle he's working

0:47:55there to like he's making sure that the

0:47:57two of them have a business together

0:47:59sure I guess what bun in the oven get it

0:48:01went to bakers love each other very much

0:48:03too so maybe he's just helping out at

0:48:05the end but is that how it works is that

0:48:07there's a man and a woman and there's a

0:48:08baby is that I don't know this mayne

0:48:10ever seen as an animated film before

0:48:11interesting but you're right in a lesser

0:48:14film the the thing at the end that it

0:48:16allows Kiki to fly again would have been

0:48:18you know the the emergency pregnancy as

0:48:21as opposed to the Zeppelin you know

0:48:22which of courses for college if it does

0:48:24have a convenient timing was like they

0:48:26have as the movies ending we need to get

0:48:27her into labor she's like okay time to

0:48:29go

0:48:29you know right but I mean yeah it's

0:48:31still totally incidental it just happens

0:48:33to happen at that point it's it's not

0:48:35the focus of the film although she is

0:48:38still rather Zeppelin like come to think

0:48:39of it

0:48:40yeah I think she might have been a

0:48:41second so the first the first throw

0:48:43model the interstate his life is there

0:48:45besides her parents when she leaves home

0:48:46is the other girl in the broom who shows

0:48:48like at the end of your year which

0:48:50training this could be you you know

0:48:52worldly-wise but also a little bit

0:48:54stuck-up and full of herself and she

0:48:56goes into a town that smaller than the

0:48:58town to keep you will eventually end up

0:48:59in there is a difference in the dialogue

0:49:01between English and Japanese of as to

0:49:03whether kinky like is this town big and

0:49:06impressive to Kiki does the stuck-up you

0:49:08only think it's big and Kiki doesn't

0:49:10believe that or whatever but this is

0:49:13she's seeing a potential of her future

0:49:15self and deciding perhaps that she

0:49:17doesn't want to end up like that whereas

0:49:18when she sees asano this is another

0:49:20possibility that she may not want to

0:49:21look like that either but it is a a

0:49:23nicer possibility yes but it's funny

0:49:26it's like almost like you know what you

0:49:28can have one which every town it's like

0:49:30a mime or something it's like we can

0:49:32have one of these in town it's not

0:49:33really that like overwhelmingly weird

0:49:35the thing that really differentiates

0:49:36arisen that she's a witch is that she's

0:49:38a pumpkin

0:49:39you know what i mean and she doesn't

0:49:40include provincial right yes I mean yeah

0:49:43yeah she's a country mouse and the the

0:49:46witch with a green eyed cat has clearly

0:49:47she's figured out her trade and it's

0:49:49very proud of having done that and again

0:49:52key expires that again that's just a

0:49:54little bit of pot pushing forward of

0:49:55like how much she really wants to

0:49:57succeed at this she wants she wants to

0:49:58be a big kid she's been waiting for this

0:49:59thing to happen and and i think that i

0:50:02don't know i think that that they do a

0:50:04nice job of not over doing that with her

0:50:06character but it really well establishes

0:50:08that she's very motivated to try and

0:50:10make it in this place even she has no

0:50:12reason to think that she would succeed

0:50:13there she's not swept along by the plot

0:50:15either every part of this movie she is

0:50:18an active participant in making happen

0:50:19she decides that she wants to leave even

0:50:21though she had previously planned the

0:50:22next night she decides it's going to be

0:50:23clear night full moon I want to leave

0:50:25now she tries to take her broom and like

0:50:27her mother

0:50:28search the last little bit of motherhood

0:50:29before she leaves you know like she her

0:50:31actions drive this plot forward her

0:50:33decisions and her wanting to do things

0:50:35she's not like suddenly caught up in an

0:50:37adventure that she's swept along in or

0:50:39what

0:50:39she liked it you know compared to like

0:50:41kind of billboard like has adventure

0:50:43thrust upon him she makes all these

0:50:45changes in her life happen but through

0:50:47food deciding to do something if I were

0:50:49that helicopter dad though I mean I

0:50:51guess maybe the cats are familiar or

0:50:52something but i would have really given

0:50:54her driving skills I would have tried to

0:50:55talk her out of driving with a cat on

0:50:57the broom yeah you can get back the

0:50:59vision on that how that goes once you

0:51:00teach your daughter how to drive and how

0:51:02and how accepting this issue of your

0:51:04instruction well she did at least listen

0:51:06to his admonition that she should make

0:51:08the cat to in the radio while she yeah

0:51:10that's right the cat is there is the

0:51:12kind of that song that is such a great

0:51:14pop song which wondering what the

0:51:16Japanese Japanese only the Japanese one

0:51:18yeah although I i'm curious about what

0:51:20the theme song is saying but I it's got

0:51:21to be something that's totally on the

0:51:22nose it's a very fifty sock-hop gonna

0:51:25know it's from it isn't it from I

0:51:27thought I run the fact that essentially

0:51:28is actually a pop song from the

0:51:30seventies yeah but the style the Royal

0:51:32is a a fifties saw cop yeah well I mean

0:51:35it in the seventies and even Japan loves

0:51:38to make their own invitation versions of

0:51:39you know fifties American about a woman

0:51:42who's going to tell her boyfriend's

0:51:44mother about him and get him in trouble

0:51:46and admonished I think it's the thrust

0:51:48is what's called what's the song called

0:51:49rogue group called i was on youtube you

0:51:54can go and don't have a confront what's

0:51:55the song like that the the song that

0:51:57they replaced it with in the previous

0:51:58one is it just puts it like the most in

0:52:01most cases i don't like when they

0:52:03replace the Japanese song with an

0:52:04English with an entirely different songs

0:52:05it's usually terrible but the songs this

0:52:07one are not they're not super terrible

0:52:11its jail

0:52:13yeah it say that it's an incredibly

0:52:14generic happy disney pop right around

0:52:18the not but that insulting

0:52:20yeah they're not insulting there not

0:52:22knowing that that the lyrics are not

0:52:24insulting Lee ridiculous right I'm

0:52:26actually disappointed that those that's

0:52:28it that's an actual pop song i was i was

0:52:29totally thinking the lyrics were like

0:52:31along the lines of kikis flagging not

0:52:33broomstick engine has a cat could be

0:52:37your actual silver a town which is a

0:52:39place where people these encountering

0:52:41problems with where they're a

0:52:43the riches here come see girls watch out

0:52:47for the boot keep it going to get you

0:52:51can't turn the radio down because here's

0:52:54another witch but yeah guess that's not

0:52:57it they are light with the exposition

0:52:59label I appreciate that

0:53:01sorry I'm trying to imagine what the

0:53:03bridge of that song is about crows in

0:53:04some way by good and they can memorize

0:53:08faces and pick us left in this year in

0:53:12August has learned to deal with them

0:53:14yeah in those scenes with the speaking

0:53:15of the crows like this is another thing

0:53:17in the in the grand tradition of totoro

0:53:18where again that the faces in this movie

0:53:20are miyazaki faces they're not realistic

0:53:23human looking faces there you know kind

0:53:25of in-between they're not they're not

0:53:26taught entirely cartoonish but the

0:53:29animals are frighteningly realistic like

0:53:31they look like they're all like little

0:53:33cow

0:53:34yeah the cow the crows the goat who

0:53:36wants the corner into a road just like

0:53:37frighteningly dead on realistic has been

0:53:40terrifying and again it's like that's

0:53:43you know how it a little kid powered a

0:53:46child see a bird squawking your face it

0:53:48would be terrifying when you see burn up

0:53:50close like that they're scary little

0:53:52dinosaurs

0:53:53it's terrifying when you're an adult I

0:53:54hate him hate birds

0:53:56well and there's those talons on that

0:53:59thing is it's sort of scratching at her

0:54:00when she falls into the tree that it

0:54:02really is very scary all the somebody's

0:54:04basis now for some reason to keep

0:54:05thinking of house moving castle a tour

0:54:07or howl's moving castle and what's the

0:54:11one with mom and castle in the sky like

0:54:15I love the straight-on it's almost like

0:54:18his Kubrick shot is a shot of somebody

0:54:20looking at the camera looking extremely

0:54:22determined with their face set whether

0:54:24that somebody just got punched in the

0:54:25stomach

0:54:26whether it's somebody's trying to fly

0:54:27something that's you know I mean there's

0:54:29there's a certain kind of me I don't

0:54:30know that's an amazing or miyazaki thing

0:54:32but I is his characters are artists

0:54:35imbued with their silence but their

0:54:37faces just have so much purposefulness

0:54:40to them you know you don't get that with

0:54:42Fred and Barney I'm gonna I'm gonna

0:54:43mention something that i noticed this

0:54:45time I think that that I haven't noticed

0:54:47before which is when she gets when when

0:54:50key goes with the the artist back to the

0:54:53woods to her artists retreat with the

0:54:56crows

0:54:57parkrose alright we've got off on the

0:55:00wrong foot last time I hope you don't

0:55:01pick my eyes out this time haha I'm my

0:55:04cabin deep in the woods i'll show you my

0:55:06etchings yeah seriously there is she's a

0:55:08very does the artist is a very sensual

0:55:10person is what I'm saying these little

0:55:11boys don't have legs that look like this

0:55:13although it bothers me a little bit that

0:55:16she's basically a very tall may from

0:55:18totoro she's also kind of hot and that

0:55:21make it very uncomfortable yeah that

0:55:22makes me uncomfy about I was she says

0:55:24these these legs I'm like or the boobs

0:55:26you could have mentioned the boobs and

0:55:28not the legs but ok this is not a boy

0:55:31you picked up here hitchhiking and

0:55:32another one of miyazaki's really big

0:55:34laugher here this explosion of left i

0:55:39love that I love that take that win it

0:55:41when it's somebody I'm thinking very

0:55:43seriously about this and I said

0:55:44something very serious long pause and

0:55:46then haha ah i love that that is so

0:55:50great

0:55:50actually I realize that's an anime true

0:55:52but that's going to actually sort of

0:55:53bothers me because there's so much

0:55:55realism in these movies and then that

0:55:56just that that consoles me out of it

0:55:58there's a little bit like like it works

0:56:00in the scene like for example with

0:56:02whether the propeller bike crashes and

0:56:04like are you okay like that is a place

0:56:06where there is tension you're worried

0:56:07but then once you see everyone's okay

0:56:09there is a release that much like that

0:56:11part's realistic that's what he told

0:56:12about the you know the artist too

0:56:14because I felt like that was Kiki being

0:56:15very serious and the artist is like

0:56:17totally deflate services like now it's

0:56:19fine you know that's you're worried

0:56:20about too much too much

0:56:22there's a bit earlier that when she has

0:56:23the flu and she asked if she's gonna die

0:56:25and no you have to responsible

0:56:27oh yeah oh oh yeah laughing a little kid

0:56:31you know that kid cracks you up when

0:56:33they say something like most adults are

0:56:35better at holding it in like when your

0:56:36kid something cute and silly like that

0:56:38you don't have right in their face but

0:56:39osanna was really good areas and hostess

0:56:42it's just so over-the-top accountant me

0:56:43out of it so I was gonna say we turn our

0:56:45faces

0:56:46it looks to me like when the the artist

0:56:49is sketching keys face that we see more

0:56:52detail in the sketch of a canyon face

0:56:56then the actual faces are in the moon

0:56:59because they're because they're stylized

0:57:00then you don't need that many lines like

0:57:02that's that that's the economy of the

0:57:04miyazaki faces there I'm

0:57:05able to view such incredible emotion

0:57:07with so few lines like that's the

0:57:09artistry of it and when she drives it is

0:57:10a sketchy like we don't you know you see

0:57:12all these details like whoa where's that

0:57:13coming from like you don't need those

0:57:15days and we don't see that level of

0:57:16resolution if you live in this world you

0:57:18see the full resolution of people but we

0:57:20we don't see that so I thought that was

0:57:21what was her name Ursula right

0:57:23personally have the artist so she she is

0:57:26another possibility for Kiki's future

0:57:28saying yeah he is an independent woman

0:57:30living on her own you know chasing her

0:57:33artistic music became self-sufficient

0:57:36confident a little bit eccentric able to

0:57:39indulge in her eccentricities and and

0:57:42unique but you know and not living in

0:57:44the city living outside the city but

0:57:45occasionally traveling into it and she

0:57:46comes in a little bit like a pumpkin

0:57:48with a straw hat and a big backpack too

0:57:49but that's okay

0:57:50and I that seems they have what there is

0:57:53another section of the movie where it's

0:57:56like what cut all this out why is this

0:57:58here getting on the bus but there hurry

0:58:01up the bus is late walking onto the bus

0:58:03sitting in the back of the bus and

0:58:04getting to share some candy has Kiki

0:58:06ever had candy before in her life we

0:58:07don't know bubblegum she even know what

0:58:09that is passing over the little gumballs

0:58:11eating them walking up the really big

0:58:13hill getting to the top of the really

0:58:14big hill turning around and looking at

0:58:16the town below you like there's like

0:58:18seven scenes and they're like what's

0:58:19going on this i know they're traveling

0:58:21background cut to her house we need to

0:58:22have a dialogue that brings no this is

0:58:24the movie like this this trip back with

0:58:26this moment is what is what this entire

0:58:28movie is about its you can get you can't

0:58:30cut that out and just bring them right

0:58:31to the cabin where they can have a

0:58:32conversation and you're gonna get the

0:58:34cabinet's like to talk about her losing

0:58:35her magic so I guess that's a plot point

0:58:37but the movie is happening when they're

0:58:39when she's getting the gumballs in the

0:58:41bus the movie is happening when when the

0:58:43bus is pulling away and it's viewed out

0:58:45the window and the bus lurches and you

0:58:47can see the scenery go up and then down

0:58:48like that that's this movie for me all

0:58:51those parts was also going outside the

0:58:53the and getting a little genetic I you

0:58:55know was reading up a little bit and it

0:58:57makes it sound like the people can read

0:59:00this on Wikipedia but there are some

0:59:02travails with taking this original book

0:59:04there wasn't a director attached to it

0:59:06for a long time miyazaki was busy with

0:59:07totoro and they're trying to decide what

0:59:09to do with this and apparently the book

0:59:11is a pretty straightforward but it's

0:59:13episodic like here's the story

0:59:15here's another story at all in parallel

0:59:16they're mostly it sounds kind of

0:59:18independent

0:59:18an encyclopedia brown kind of thing and

0:59:20then and-and-and miyazaki introduces the

0:59:23one who when he attached himself to it

0:59:25as director is the one that added the

0:59:27whole ending that brings it all together

0:59:29but originally I guess jacket that that

0:59:31it was basically just about this is

0:59:32shallower was a kids story with em with

0:59:34a character who's a witch who delivers

0:59:36things and she can have various

0:59:37adventures that are shallow nature and

0:59:39miyazaki turned into a coming-of-age

0:59:40story basically yeah yeah and so we give

0:59:44it some of the episodic stuff with like

0:59:46the heavy package and all of that and

0:59:47the unholy lucky and that awesome dog

0:59:51when windows that dog great i love that

0:59:53a chef and sort of depressing friends

0:59:56people all the whole family whole family

0:59:58is talking about how he's basically

0:59:58is talking about how he's basically

1:00:00the plant one foot in the grave thank

1:00:01you buddy but he's smarter than they

1:00:03think yeah that's right he's a little

1:00:05dog he moved slowly that's well hit me

1:00:08in the in the isn't in the subtitle

1:00:11version isn't like that amazing dog that

1:00:13fantastic dog that fabulous dog

1:00:17something like that yeah he they take

1:00:19him

1:00:19they underestimate the family does Jeff

1:00:21the dog and just because he slowed

1:00:23doesn't mean he doesn't know exactly

1:00:24what's going on and he you know he

1:00:26rescues GG from the other it is a nice

1:00:30smile about Hillary yeah with when gigi

1:00:32is pretending to be a toy they make him

1:00:34you know comically toy like and stiff

1:00:36and then when when Jeff like puts him

1:00:38down on the ground he's a real cat again

1:00:40and runs away like a real cat right it's

1:00:42just like the doggies dog ever it was so

1:00:44great the way with so gently

1:00:46it really looks really look like a dog

1:00:48now I don't I gotta jump in here the ok

1:00:51so so she let me just ask is is for

1:00:56practical purposes is Gigi really

1:00:58talking to kiki is Gigi in this case

1:01:02talking to Jeff is it doesn't matter

1:01:04because like I I this is the first time

1:01:06i watched where I thought I got a little

1:01:07bit little bit six cents with it and I

1:01:09was thinking maybe she doesn't really

1:01:12talk maybe that's all just in Key said

1:01:14and then the two versions know he's like

1:01:16my cock state-owned he definitely well

1:01:19first off he definitely talk to other

1:01:20animals i think that's I think that sort

1:01:22of assumed in this is that the animals

1:01:24all can talk to each other that's not

1:01:25just kicking my engineer them talking to

1:01:27each other but because we realize like

1:01:29what I talked to this and then with the

1:01:31dog we see it early on there's a seam

1:01:33where at least in the subtitle there's

1:01:38an old an old woman I think who says

1:01:41something like oh well he said this and

1:01:43I think it's referring I wish I'd

1:01:45written it down

1:01:46I think it's referring to G and I was

1:01:47like haha i think this is implying that

1:01:50some people can hear the cats some you

1:01:53know old cat ladies and witches can hear

1:01:56the cats when they talk scrapbookers the

1:01:59impression that she she could understand

1:02:02the cat only as long as she needed to

1:02:03understand the cat for his assistance

1:02:05she's kind of coming into the world and

1:02:07and growing up at that at the point

1:02:10where she suddenly has sort of made the

1:02:12transition

1:02:13too but that's not when he stops talking

1:02:14to restarting her when she loses

1:02:16confidence and she loses her powers and

1:02:18her ability to fly you know when she

1:02:20becomes but she's not she's lost her

1:02:22confidence because she's the reality of

1:02:24her situation in the fact that she's

1:02:26kind of alone in the big world has come

1:02:27to her

1:02:28well that's so my theory and focuses on

1:02:30past shows is that when she loses her

1:02:32magic is essentially her hitting puberty

1:02:34like yep we're gonna go all the way and

1:02:37yeah you know she got her period that's

1:02:38that's what I was wondering what I was

1:02:40thinking yesterday i 100% like what

1:02:42that's what it's a stand-in for higher

1:02:44she wants to lay down its bigger because

1:02:47like it's you know it all comes to a

1:02:49head at that point it's like childhood

1:02:51is ending and here is your here's your

1:02:53outward biological sign of that and it's

1:02:55her treatment of thombo should have been

1:02:57a dead giveaway and and now it all comes

1:03:00to a head and you have to realize you

1:03:01there's no going back you have to figure

1:03:03out this new world you have to put what

1:03:05it is that's making you upset seeing

1:03:07those rich kids what's making you feel

1:03:09like you don't fit in and or do you just

1:03:11have to work but some people don't have

1:03:12to work but you do but then what what

1:03:14you know like all those things and those

1:03:17things are happening in her head she is

1:03:18not dramatic about she's not writing in

1:03:20her diary and and bawling constantly and

1:03:23screaming at people it's all like it and

1:03:25it's aight thanks so much more realistic

1:03:27and more affecting that way and that's

1:03:29when she starts to lose her magic stuff

1:03:32and what's the first thing you should do

1:03:33if she wants she tries to regain it was

1:03:35running down the hill like I gotta I

1:03:36gotta get it back i got it like and you

1:03:38can't you can't go back that way you can

1:03:39only you can only go forward and trying

1:03:41to taiji get into that whether it's the

1:03:43Japanese GG or the or the you know Phil

1:03:46Hartman one I don't think either one of

1:03:48them ties in that well because like it

1:03:51you know so everything is in the

1:03:53american one when she gets her powers

1:03:55back at the end she can hear Phil

1:03:56Hartman again and then japanese one she

1:03:58can't hear full of you can't hear Jeezy

1:04:00again she just sounds like a cat and an

1:04:02economist and version of the disney tub

1:04:04he does you don't hear ya Hartman he's

1:04:06gone

1:04:07yep didn't say meow didn't say that he

1:04:12said but she like I don't like I don't

1:04:14think that's integral because I think

1:04:15all you all you need to know is that she

1:04:18has come through the other side that

1:04:19she's got her her magic power you know

1:04:22she is she's doing its self

1:04:23actualization that should come through

1:04:24that and whether she still needs

1:04:26got to be there or not I don't think

1:04:28it's that big of a deal because even in

1:04:29the japanese one she's not leaning on

1:04:31the cat and he's not like her dad or her

1:04:33ego out there talking he's just kind of

1:04:35there as part of the movie but it's not

1:04:38a big interview like the two of them are

1:04:39not a team he is the whites cracking

1:04:41sidekick you get even

1:04:43yea even in the japanese one he is not

1:04:45like integral so they they didn't

1:04:48connect GG to her in a way that admit

1:04:50that it makes him symbolic of something

1:04:52that she has to leave behind i don't

1:04:53think the Japanese one I agree I agree

1:04:56with you I think I think it's actually

1:04:58kind of weird to see that connection

1:05:00because I I don't

1:05:01yeah I don't we left sort of wondering

1:05:04well why does he stop she talking again

1:05:07at the end I'm you know I I sounds

1:05:09non-canonical but I mean that makes it a

1:05:11lesser movie to me for him to be hurt

1:05:14again

1:05:15you don't wanna wait wait but we don't

1:05:16know the rules of the universe getting

1:05:17back to whether he's talking or not we

1:05:18don't know if the rules of the universe

1:05:20are as described in things like well you

1:05:22know it's not not witch magic the letter

1:05:24here and it's actually because they were

1:05:25raised together or whatever like that

1:05:27really sort of like dicks think of the

1:05:28dust mites in totoro but that's a

1:05:31different universe where like this

1:05:32universe we were established the adults

1:05:34can see and accept magical things we're

1:05:36into her own and not as never

1:05:38established in total there is no adults

1:05:40and as a witch flying by and we all see

1:05:41it acknowledged that yes there are such

1:05:43things as witches and yes they can fly

1:05:44like the rules are clearly established

1:05:46that magic is part of this realistic

1:05:47world now whether the cat physics that I

1:05:49don't know but like in totoro that's all

1:05:51like you could say you know

1:05:53no adults have pay any attention to that

1:05:54that could all be in their heads and a

1:05:56perfectly fit so I feel like once you

1:05:57have a world where witches are flying

1:05:59around talking cat is not out of the

1:06:01question at all but it is sort of

1:06:03tentative is the relationship between

1:06:04key and gigi is the fact that he stops

1:06:07talking at some point clearly feels like

1:06:09well this is because she's transitioning

1:06:11she's growing up and at the end for him

1:06:14to come in and speak again it just feels

1:06:16like you know oh we couldn't we couldn't

1:06:17make the kids it makes it a double

1:06:19vanities different movie i don't i don't

1:06:21agree because i think that she again I

1:06:24feel like the shutdown of his voice is

1:06:27when she loses confidence and so the way

1:06:30i read this is she she's not losing chef

1:06:35lose the ability to fly she loses it

1:06:37temporarily and then she gets it back

1:06:38and those two things happening

1:06:40mauritania slee to me i think i connect

1:06:43them and I say this is not you know the

1:06:46world has gotten her and she's never

1:06:47going to hear the cat again but she's

1:06:49going to be able to fly again how is

1:06:50that she gets the one and not the other

1:06:52so she came back because she's grown as

1:06:53a person and now she's she's she's

1:06:55flying for her own internal inspiration

1:06:58it all depends on why you think she

1:06:59could hear the cabinet being right if

1:07:01you think she could hear the cat because

1:07:02it was part of her witch's powers then

1:07:04you feel like she when she gets her

1:07:05powers back against your comments about

1:07:06you hear the cap but if you if you think

1:07:08that she hears the cat when she's

1:07:09younger because it's just a way that

1:07:11young it's sort of like the total like a

1:07:13way young people comfort themselves with

1:07:14something imaginary and suddenly she

1:07:16finds herself growing up to the point

1:07:17where it's like you know what I don't

1:07:18believe in Santa anymore and office on

1:07:20the cat is just a meowing thing then you

1:07:22don't want her to hear the cat at the

1:07:23end because that would be a regression

1:07:25and that's why I think what Marilyn's

1:07:26coming from

1:07:26I thought I thought the key yeah

1:07:28definitely i'm free i thank god for four

1:07:30years of college I I felt like it wasn't

1:07:33like an imaginary friend that but was an

1:07:35imaginary friend that was we real kind

1:07:37of and then and then when it's called a

1:07:39friend Mario enough friend which one of

1:07:41my imaginary friend that is real is a

1:07:43friend that i think that's that's a

1:07:46contradiction in terms of topping hang

1:07:49on just made club is is the cat but the

1:07:52real forget really talking about with

1:07:54the whole movie though basically being

1:07:56her growing up it to me it felt like she

1:07:58gets her flying back that's good there

1:08:00are some things you know that you can

1:08:01maybe revisit as you get older and

1:08:03there's some things will never be the

1:08:04same again and me the cat was one of

1:08:06those things that you know that's just

1:08:08how it's not how it is now you're not

1:08:10gonna be able to your cat's about you

1:08:11but it shouldn't be because she no

1:08:13longer has the magic ability has to be

1:08:15because the cat was never talking to her

1:08:17and it was just something that children

1:08:19do to play pretend to comfort themselves

1:08:20during her transition that's why it was

1:08:22so shocking when you know why you just

1:08:25meowing why are you talking like a cat

1:08:26it's like the cat has always been

1:08:27talking there's never been a Santa you

1:08:29just you didn't know that or it could

1:08:31simply be that when she was young she

1:08:32had a need to understand what the cat

1:08:34was telling her and now she doesn't

1:08:36here's what i would say she can't she

1:08:38shouldn't lose the ability to hear the

1:08:39cat and fly at the same time they should

1:08:43be there too much in sync and there's no

1:08:45occasionally they happen at the same

1:08:47time it would be better if she can still

1:08:49talk to the cat and then at the end when

1:08:51she has grown up and succeeded and he

1:08:53is his cat family and all that that

1:08:56maybe then she can't hear him anymore

1:08:58and it's a sign that she's growing up

1:08:59because they happen simultaneously

1:09:01you're in this weird part where it's

1:09:03like you know why did why did these two

1:09:06things happen and does she get both mile

1:09:09my logic in that situation she gets both

1:09:11of them back but there's a third there's

1:09:13a third part to this that I hope we can

1:09:15semi agree it was part of what makes

1:09:16this so great is that you know in in a

1:09:18lot of other movies that were told in

1:09:20this way with the style with this story

1:09:22it would have been something that

1:09:24tactically said she's ok so there's that

1:09:27we should also point out the wonderful

1:09:28inversion of that the heartbreaking

1:09:30scene where she can't fly

1:09:32she's looking up at the sky and she sees

1:09:34this up and going yeah combo in it and

1:09:35it's just a perfectly encapsulates the

1:09:37sort of feeling of being 13 years old I

1:09:39mean and losing your mojo but it kind of

1:09:41green road Zeppelin's are encompass my

1:09:44my 13 year old self perfectly you don't

1:09:47know where that Zeppelin's going you

1:09:49don't know how inflated this up it's

1:09:50gonna be me right into things that might

1:09:52be a little kid big way that sometimes

1:09:54it's pointing up at we're down the

1:09:55sexual desire like not sure why

1:09:58yeah you don't know it's like snow and

1:10:01then you fly into the Clocktower and

1:10:02deflate land on a building

1:10:04how many inches or how long but the but

1:10:07the thing is it's kinda cool though they

1:10:08don't really hit the accelerator on the

1:10:10whole like oh she's saving a man and

1:10:13it's the love of her life and that you

1:10:15know I didn't get that out of this and i

1:10:17love that I you know because you could

1:10:19so that all up way too tightly where

1:10:21it's like oh now she's discovered like

1:10:23she's got to save a boy and that now old

1:10:25in a muscle top now she's really in the

1:10:27post-credit sequence would be their

1:10:28wedding but it is not their weddings the

1:10:30Flying Club she's out there on the broom

1:10:32flying they're all flying it that the

1:10:34the prize at the end is that she gets to

1:10:36be a person in society with friends

1:10:38yeah she's it finally a degree we're

1:10:40getting married now married now

1:10:42well thatthat's throughout that I mean

1:10:44that that's one of the fascinating

1:10:45things that rings so true it's it defies

1:10:48all logic and yet simultaneously rings

1:10:51true which is that scene where she

1:10:53they've survived their ridiculous bike

1:10:57propeller incident and um and they're

1:11:01laughing and then the kids in the car

1:11:03drive up and he he's buddies with them

1:11:06he's buddies with her

1:11:07he thinks this is all going to be fine

1:11:08and she's like I'm out of here right and

1:11:11then she buy and then she goes back and

1:11:13she she plants herself and this is she's

1:11:15she it is this is I mean this is being a

1:11:17teenager right it's she is amazingly

1:11:20lonely and yet when given the option to

1:11:23get involved in this

1:11:25she was she's like no way and walks away

1:11:27to be she's walking away from people and

1:11:29then being sad that she's alone which is

1:11:31so illogical and yet so completely true

1:11:34it's a good movie and you know it's a

1:11:35thing there's there's so many like these

1:11:37these kind of money shots in miyazaki

1:11:39movie one of the things I think you have

1:11:40to make your peace and and I think Josh

1:11:42but this very well in the past is it and

1:11:44probably in better words than this but

1:11:45that you have to make your peace with

1:11:47the fact that there's gonna be stuff

1:11:48that comes up in these movies it's never

1:11:50really fully explained and there's never

1:11:52know you could sit there and you can

1:11:53have these Talmudic debates about it but

1:11:55a big part of what makes these kinds of

1:11:57music these movies so magical and again

1:11:59i'm thinking of how i'm thinking of

1:12:01castle in the sky i'm thinking about all

1:12:02these movies are not princess monokey

1:12:04but just be these things that happened a

1:12:06certain way and that's that's just how

1:12:08it is but it's you know how the

1:12:09characters react to that and I don't

1:12:11know that makes it still makes it so

1:12:13great and keeps it to you to use that

1:12:15word that so overused magical like why

1:12:17did that happen we don't know why it's a

1:12:18movie yeah I love that the big probably

1:12:21the biggest single blow to Kiki at least

1:12:23in the middle part of the movie is she

1:12:25goes through all the trouble to to make

1:12:27the the dreadful sounding herring and

1:12:29pumpkin pie

1:12:30oh man for grandma goes out fishes out

1:12:32the firework and Stokes up the old brick

1:12:34oven and cook the thing up and put in

1:12:37all this work and then there's the whole

1:12:38panic or she has to go in the rain and

1:12:41probably the worst blow to her is the

1:12:43fact that it in the whole film is the

1:12:45fact that she gets there and the girl

1:12:46says I hate grandma's supplies and slams

1:12:49the door in your face and that was it

1:12:51another two role models for her the old

1:12:53widow woman who lives by herself but has

1:12:56still has a certain dignity and lives

1:12:58with her friends / lover Bertha right

1:13:01just got four right and the horny

1:13:03twisted lady that loves footage exactly

1:13:05crash and cases i'll take your broom

1:13:09dear

1:13:09so she can go down the hallway and

1:13:10pretend to ride the broom

1:13:12she's a wild about lighter than air

1:13:13travel she's

1:13:15bullet that was a great scene where

1:13:17she's she's caught on the broomstick

1:13:19again they don't show her sneaking over

1:13:20there whatever they just cut her and

1:13:21what she's doing she's on the broom

1:13:23pretending to be which is so that her

1:13:24granddaughter it's the same girl that

1:13:26she saw the same rich girl what they saw

1:13:28in tombos group of friends and you know

1:13:30she got what she sees her later and

1:13:32that's I think that's really what kills

1:13:34her at the end when when he calls her

1:13:36over and she realizes that that's the

1:13:37girl who was so horribly ungrateful

1:13:39after all the work program and she's all

1:13:41beautifully dressed up and it's her

1:13:43birthday party and there is a party and

1:13:44she's not going to be going to run

1:13:46because she's drenched now and that girl

1:13:48is is ungrateful and this is all like at

1:13:50that moment she feels like her lowest of

1:13:52low but later on they you know the sort

1:13:55of the snootiness of that girl are the

1:13:56girls on it

1:13:57sports she's spoiled she's

1:13:58unappreciative that's what one of the

1:14:00things that brings Kiki around

1:14:01understanding i don't want to be that

1:14:03girl like that's that's one of that you

1:14:05know that there's females in every

1:14:07single age range she encountered

1:14:08encounters female to female to female

1:14:09from someone's her age 21 slightly older

1:14:12to you know the personalized like

1:14:15they've got the entire age range of

1:14:17women mapped out and every one of them

1:14:18keys looking at and again you never see

1:14:21this movie talk about you don't see

1:14:22movies female protagonist and even if

1:14:24you do see it the female protagonist is

1:14:25in a world of men and this shows

1:14:28Oh a girl and what she sees in the world

1:14:31is all the other women because that's

1:14:33what she's trying to figure out who am I

1:14:34going to be what am I gonna be like

1:14:35she's not going to look at them to the

1:14:36men to figure this out and it you know

1:14:38it's so shocking just because everything

1:14:40water movies is man and about men in the

1:14:42world of men and women as accessories or

1:14:44or it's about or it's about showing up

1:14:45that bitch like that's the other thing

1:14:47if you're gonna know if you're going to

1:14:48have known with women in it is going to

1:14:50be the central working girl thing where

1:14:52you've got to have this this this big

1:14:54tension between the underdog that we

1:14:56love and this hottie person who needs to

1:14:58be brought down because they're making

1:14:59this person feel bad and and that that

1:15:01is used for the amount of effect is

1:15:03necessary here but then it doesn't turn

1:15:05into something whether doing like a you

1:15:07know death becomes her kind of

1:15:09one-upmanship in fact the reaction that

1:15:11Kiki has is not what I expect from her

1:15:13right so she goes to all this trouble

1:15:14goes through the rain with this terrible

1:15:17hearing and pumpkin pie we with a

1:15:19picture of a fish on it and and just

1:15:22like I hate grandma's you close the door

1:15:24close the door and instead of keeping

1:15:26like boy you know what what an awful

1:15:28person that was

1:15:29she says wow I can't believe she's

1:15:31related to that nice lady i love that

1:15:34that is so great because that's what

1:15:35that's what she's not personally

1:15:37offended

1:15:38she feels bad for for granny that's who

1:15:40she feels bad for like right she's so

1:15:42nice and this person is not but she

1:15:45feels also like lower than low like the

1:15:48trans the disparity because she's the

1:15:50delivery girl she's drenched she's and

1:15:53they also doesn't like our overriding

1:15:54robe is unfashionable yeah it's just and

1:15:58she tries like she's so hard like all

1:15:59but it's wet now it's like I work really

1:16:01hard to the food came through ok you

1:16:03know give it a try like she's so she's

1:16:05so good Kiki and like and she's forced

1:16:08it to do all these things it's just you

1:16:10know and Jason you mentioned before like

1:16:12out your loan and when invited you you

1:16:14turn down the invitation then you feel

1:16:15alone

1:16:16it's that a similar scene like that

1:16:18which also ranked true to me early on in

1:16:19the movie where tambo gives her the

1:16:21invitation says miss which on it yes and

1:16:24in english in the movie

1:16:26yeah getting an invitation to be to go

1:16:29to a social event is like the most

1:16:30terrifying thing that could happen to

1:16:31her and she immediately runs to her

1:16:32current mother figure and says it's not

1:16:34so much like I have to deliver that have

1:16:36to look at the invitation is the crisis

1:16:38yeah i've been invited to a party I have

1:16:39no idea what I'm going to do and I've

1:16:41seen that play out like candy but that's

1:16:43the way yeah that that is the that is

1:16:45the crisis and you know and like what

1:16:47you mean or is this is exactly what you

1:16:48wanted didn't you want to have friends

1:16:49like that's not how it works when you're

1:16:5113 years old

1:16:52that's right by the way my favorite

1:16:54detail in the movie is during that scene

1:16:56where she's completely soaked and she

1:16:57lands at the big house to deliver the

1:16:59pie and you can tell how soap she is

1:17:02because her humongous bow is suddenly

1:17:04obeying the laws of physics whole rest

1:17:07of the film is gigantic and is one scene

1:17:09it's just drooping around the top of her

1:17:12head it's a magical waters pouring added

1:17:14it's wonderful and our asano her staring

1:17:17at mother figure fills that role as well

1:17:20in that after this all happens and after

1:17:22this disaster is gone out in the sauna

1:17:24knows that it's been a disaster and

1:17:25those also knows enough to stay away

1:17:27asanas next move in orchestrating keys

1:17:29life from a distance in a motherly way

1:17:31but not too heavy-handed is to send her

1:17:34to deliver something to tambo the boy

1:17:35waiting for for a while I in in a

1:17:38reasonably clever way basically you know

1:17:39he's taking bread from her own bakery

1:17:41and paying key to deliver it

1:17:42him and setting up that you know that

1:17:44encounter well first she feeds oatmeal

1:17:47and honey scalding oatmeal and honey to

1:17:49a cat right warned him she said it was

1:17:52hot everyone what do you want

1:17:53well obviously he can't understand her

1:17:55either cat he just can't help himself

1:17:58but you don't you don't say don't burn

1:18:00your tongue and then hand you know a

1:18:02bowl of scalded milk to an animal with a

1:18:03brain the size of a thumb

1:18:05it's just even if it could talk

1:18:08she's not know just not done Thank

1:18:10templin over the old ladies I like me

1:18:14she goes back to the old ladies I

1:18:15thought that the old ladies things going

1:18:16to be over but instead they say Baker

1:18:19cake with yu-gi-oh sweet official key

1:18:23logo and was that it was at a bread Kiki

1:18:25that the Baker lady had put in the

1:18:27window though the Baker husband did it

1:18:29because I that's not a senior so she

1:18:31when she's awake she's supposed to be

1:18:32coming back for the party right and what

1:18:35you see is the husband pacing back and

1:18:37forth isn't working and at first you

1:18:39think it's because he's worried about

1:18:40her which she is and that you mean his

1:18:42keys like two lines in the movie but his

1:18:44character is fully revealed by the

1:18:45things that I'm doing and the second

1:18:46thing is that you realize that he's the

1:18:48one who made the big bread key sign and

1:18:50he's excited for her to see it when she

1:18:52when she comes back and so right when he

1:18:54sees it she's coming he runs and hides

1:18:55because he doesn't want to be there when

1:18:57she comes like he's too embarrassed that

1:18:58I made this for you but he's excited

1:19:00about her seeing and so when when she

1:19:01sees it looks at it he casually strolled

1:19:03in like 10 big deal just made a thing

1:19:05for you and she jumps on him and give

1:19:06him a hug all no dialogue all happening

1:19:08through window from an outside shot

1:19:09completely amazing

1:19:11you wouldn't even see that in adult

1:19:12live-action films they be like what's

1:19:14going on there i don't understand like

1:19:15watch the movie

1:19:16everything is there a movie that's

1:19:18what's the movie there's an airship at

1:19:20the end i just i love the fact that you

1:19:23know this dirigible has been forced to

1:19:25land there and apparently the entire

1:19:27town has gone original crazy

1:19:29yes we see it on the TV in the bakery

1:19:31and the two ladies are watching it as

1:19:33you do is the fifties rigid airship

1:19:35madness

1:19:36it was isn't the fifties I never really

1:19:38got a grip on what the time fit only get

1:19:40from the look at the cars that's more or

1:19:41less the arrows supposed to be

1:19:42yeah and the end that seventies pop song

1:19:45that sounds like it's from a cop any

1:19:47duty duty but I you know I I I you know

1:19:51I love I love a good separate movie i

1:19:53have to admit i do love that

1:19:56I is strange because there's this is the

1:19:58opening line of dialogue in the movies

1:20:00like and the airship might be passing

1:20:03overhead or it might not be all right

1:20:05okay and we get the we got an exciting

1:20:09airship scene where there is actually it

1:20:10does damage to the to the buildings of

1:20:13course the most noticeable building in

1:20:17town gets hit by the hit by the airship

1:20:20i find it funny that everybody is really

1:20:22worried about tambo who is dangling from

1:20:24the airship but not worried about the

1:20:26entire like cabin full of people who are

1:20:30also on the air she was fine fine but

1:20:32we'll be fine

1:20:33certainly there safe because they're

1:20:35inside the like you know the thing

1:20:37yeah but if it specials every guy does

1:20:39elliot yeah I'm sure it's not like it's

1:20:42not like the pink paint caught on fire

1:20:44there is a nice line that it that is it

1:20:46we're full of helium so it won't explode

1:20:48like it's not gonna be like a Hindenburg

1:20:51thing if we die it's going to because we

1:20:52smashed into something like the ground

1:20:55with but was it at the end where she's

1:20:58saved tambo and you can see them in

1:21:00there in the cabin they're still up

1:21:01there clapping and they're all excited

1:21:03and celebrating

1:21:04meanwhile they're hanging between two

1:21:06high building yeah you you expect almost

1:21:07like Prince that Italian Job moment

1:21:09where it's like okay I've got a plan

1:21:11thanks but I know how we're gonna get

1:21:13out of here it's like I don't know

1:21:14slowly let allowed to deflate and hope

1:21:16that it just kind of sag Cinderella see

1:21:19they're out of combat at that point so

1:21:21they can just kick in this God right

1:21:22that's that's good did Randy knowledge

1:21:25area is right i imagine the key would

1:21:27then like go up and shuttle them down

1:21:29bit by bit or something maybe it doesn't

1:21:32seem like she's got a real grip on that

1:21:33push broom at that point that she would

1:21:35have to get a bit much better broom that

1:21:37was just a broom that was available to

1:21:38her but she still got it at the end haha

1:21:40what a great sequence

1:21:42yeah and that's when it sits silent

1:21:45she's on the brain with silent and then

1:21:47there's like you know the the lucky

1:21:49silence while followed by the the sound

1:21:51the bristling it's like a oh yeah where

1:21:54it comes to life basically like it's

1:21:57gotta have already said she flies fly

1:21:59and you expect her to you know

1:22:01sky-rocket in perfect formation instead

1:22:04she slams into the nearest building ball

1:22:06bounces off another one with regular

1:22:08she's lost with their foot yeah yeah and

1:22:10they do it sounds against they have the

1:22:11crowd booing oh you know the crowd noise

1:22:13going on the announcer and everything

1:22:14like that and all that fades out as

1:22:16tambo falls and as she catches them so

1:22:18that the the climax of the movie they

1:22:20fade everything out including the

1:22:21background cacophony of crowds that you

1:22:24didn't realize I was was there until

1:22:25they turn it off which is the best way

1:22:26to use the one thing i do here is that

1:22:28is her making her connecting with his

1:22:30hand as she grabs and that's all you

1:22:32here which is great so here's here's

1:22:34something that my son notice that I've

1:22:35never really thought about in all of my

1:22:37times watching this movie but this time

1:22:38today he noticed it which is as soon as

1:22:41she soon as she catches tambo and saves

1:22:43him everybody cheers and there's like

1:22:46confetti or a ticker-tape parade

1:22:48everywhere and he's like why is there

1:22:49confetti

1:22:50where did that come from and I'm like I

1:22:52have no idea in this town they always

1:22:54have it ready have it ready it's like

1:22:55the fireworks

1:22:56it's like the fireworks at the end of

1:22:57Return of the Jedi or it's like well you

1:22:59know normally we don't shoot off

1:23:00fireworks here on the exams or the

1:23:03x-wings have it is but we gotta decide

1:23:05good happens we've got some fireworks to

1:23:08fire off but if the sign is a big city

1:23:09man it either it's confetti or it's like

1:23:12really light rubble from the building's

1:23:14maybe they were ready to celebrate this

1:23:16is there a to celebrate the Zeppelin

1:23:18maybe and put it had yeah those are

1:23:21shreds of the cabin crews shirts they're

1:23:23trying to fashion a rope to get down

1:23:25know it crashed the plane crashed into a

1:23:26building that had lots of paperwork and

1:23:28the paperwork out shredded and blown out

1:23:30and there was landing what it would be

1:23:32my special movie in the eighties

1:23:33business movie made 89 right so like

1:23:36it's like the end of war game someone

1:23:37else throw paper in there at the end of

1:23:38every day the movie anyway watch for

1:23:41that there's sudden sudden celebratory

1:23:42confetti you get a letter from the mpaa

1:23:45there's a couple questions we have got

1:23:47to be new mall we looked a little bit

1:23:49more people through when you and the

1:23:51other the other standard speaking of

1:23:52standards is that in miyazaki movies and

1:23:53eighties movies in particular miyazaki

1:23:55movies you have to have an incredibly

1:23:57heartwarming and affecting sequence that

1:23:59the credits roll over right if they

1:24:01throw the Dean in the pool

1:24:03not the same not the same at all like

1:24:06I'm always amazed at integrated you drop

1:24:07a police car to like not good enough

1:24:09pretty awesome and I have the grad and

1:24:11the details of the way of going over the

1:24:13side of the deck oh yeah that's been the

1:24:15one person that's still in the pool that

1:24:17you see just kind of slowly moving here

1:24:19from the splash

1:24:20no detail is too small because some guy

1:24:23spent three weeks on that and then at

1:24:25the end we get the letter back to her

1:24:27parents that we were promised at the

1:24:29very beginning her mother still if

1:24:30distracted will have one of her test

1:24:32tubes explode with black smoke and she

1:24:36gets the letter saying i'm fine i'm

1:24:38doing ok we discovered that it takes

1:24:40roughly three days to rebuild a clock

1:24:43tower sure that there are very

1:24:46industrious people look at the town that

1:24:48strap and essentially all that confetti

1:24:50was just rubble from them already trying

1:24:52to fix up the tower there are already

1:24:53people are soon as we have results it

1:24:55was the actually the wrapping of the new

1:24:56tower than it already been kept stepping

1:24:58that's the pair had just cut the ribbon

1:25:00was that fast

1:25:01that's right well Tom but was following

1:25:02that all happened like think about these

1:25:05movies that have the credit sequences

1:25:06what would the movies be like if they

1:25:09didn't have the credit sequence like if

1:25:10the movie actually ended and they just

1:25:12showed names / black and I was it like

1:25:14how would how would you feel about the

1:25:16movies differently if you know it

1:25:18totoro I mean to her as a smaller one

1:25:20this one has won a whole bunch of the

1:25:22the i mean i can cancel this guy has one

1:25:24as well

1:25:25or maybe it's just too pretty cries when

1:25:26I way I always feel like that that part

1:25:28of the movie is a shorthand way to give

1:25:32you a satisfying ending it wouldn't work

1:25:34if you cut it out but you don't have

1:25:36time to do everything that's in the

1:25:37credit sequences it's like it's almost

1:25:39like cheating with like a montage like

1:25:40we don't want to show a montage and we

1:25:42don't want to have some silly scene

1:25:43where they exchanged two lines of

1:25:44dialogue to be established but we just

1:25:46want to show like and this is what

1:25:47happens in the immediate future of these

1:25:49characters I in a way that doesn't feel

1:25:52weird because we tried to rush into try

1:25:54to have multiple things that wouldn't

1:25:55work but I think everybody like flies in

1:25:57on the credit sequence like who doesn't

1:25:59like that whose heart is not worn by

1:26:01saying that sequence in the credits and

1:26:02you don't go like that ending the movie

1:26:04was weird I thought they rushed at the

1:26:05end when they tried to show what

1:26:06happened to the character shoes ended

1:26:08like no one ever feels that way i don't

1:26:09know why more movies don't use this but

1:26:11I guess Marvel movies accepted but like

1:26:14the animation equivalent of that that

1:26:16whole animal house thing Dean wormer

1:26:17went to prison where he was prepared but

1:26:19it's but it's not that ham-fisted like

1:26:21this they're not like like the things

1:26:23are seeing are essential to the story

1:26:25you're not wondering what happened to me

1:26:26just want to be like because you already

1:26:27know Kiki is going to be okay but you

1:26:29also want the payoff scene of seeing it

1:26:31but let's you be very economical with

1:26:32cutting it off when the story's done

1:26:34and in the case of liquid total it's a

1:26:36little bit more luxurious but in this

1:26:37case when you see her Dashiell on the

1:26:40broom in the credits come up you like

1:26:41wow that was that was really the end is

1:26:43over that's it that was I think it's

1:26:45great i think they could they could

1:26:47probably have avoided that by making the

1:26:48ending a little less abrupt but well I'm

1:26:51like a sauna gives birth we know she was

1:26:52really no she goes into labor

1:26:54we assume everything came out ok but

1:26:55just in case you're wondering here's

1:26:57asano she's there now here's the baby

1:26:59here's the dad they're happy they're

1:27:01watching key they know she's happy like

1:27:03it's all the things that you want to

1:27:04know our our reality after the movie

1:27:07ends that you can assume they are but

1:27:08they give you the payoff like here you

1:27:10go here's a picture of her and the baby

1:27:13and you know this is with us what

1:27:14happened anyway but just seeing them

1:27:15makes you happier than just be thinking

1:27:17I bet she had the baby now on it but

1:27:19that's wonderful especially with totoro

1:27:21where you i mean the the genius stroke

1:27:23of courses showing me show the family

1:27:25show them then you show the total rows

1:27:27and then you show the implicit kind of

1:27:29interaction of them to you know I did

1:27:31that I think that's particularly

1:27:33delightful in total that was critical

1:27:34because you have to have mom came home

1:27:36somewhere yeah i mean that but that's

1:27:38the first thing on sequences her coming

1:27:40out of the cab or whatever with arms

1:27:42wide open and the kids running towards

1:27:44or like you know that's why I'm going to

1:27:45get well yeah the payoff a little bit

1:27:47and so on this one another sequence here

1:27:49like earlier on the movie key is looking

1:27:52at shoes and the window shoes that she

1:27:54can't afford while she's in the city and

1:27:55she just sits there staring at them for

1:27:57a while and I think like some people

1:27:58come by behind or whatever and the

1:27:59credit sequence she's still staring at

1:28:01choosing the window we're just showing

1:28:02that yes there are still going to be

1:28:04things that you want that you can have

1:28:05because you don't suddenly become the

1:28:06richest most powerful princess in the

1:28:08entire world you get everything you want

1:28:09but while she's staring at the shoes one

1:28:12of the people who passes by her is a

1:28:14mother with a little girl and the little

1:28:15girls dress like II the hero of the town

1:28:17and she her head turns and she's like

1:28:19whoa you know that's that's quite a

1:28:22complicated payoff out of like they

1:28:25don't show her and now she's got those

1:28:26red shoes she wanted up she still at the

1:28:28window looking at the fancy shoes but

1:28:29also she's admired and looked up to

1:28:32about a little girls and their dress

1:28:33like she is that is fairly that's a

1:28:37fairly complicated thing to put into

1:28:38kids movie for a kid to unpack but i

1:28:40think that like gets through to them the

1:28:42key would be a great halloween costume

1:28:44for a twelve-year-old girl by the way

1:28:46they wanna wait for that matter

1:28:48sure big but not that much girly about

1:28:50big bow big dark robe you know room is

1:28:55black with a last-second throw together

1:28:57kind of it's still a good with costumes

1:29:00were both students everybody would know

1:29:01who you were

1:29:02anybody who's seen this movie really go

1:29:03big bow key sure it's kinky

1:29:06yeah Steve you have not seen this movie

1:29:09before

1:29:09that's correct and i have now seen it

1:29:11twice both times with the dub I i would

1:29:14I i watched it again today just to kind

1:29:16of you know having it fresh in my mind

1:29:19and i decided i'd rather watch the

1:29:21double right sit down and watch it with

1:29:22the kids are rather watch the japanese

1:29:24version or watch with the kids and I

1:29:26think kids both wanted to watch it so we

1:29:28said watch it together

1:29:29so what's what's your what's your

1:29:30verdict and what's their verdict about

1:29:31it as new new viewers i thought it was

1:29:34great

1:29:35uh yeah i really enjoyed it at once I

1:29:38you know kind of got over the fact that

1:29:39you know no one's going to be stabbed at

1:29:42something horrible with the oven and

1:29:44this is so much you know even even just

1:29:46things like that you expect the painter

1:29:48to have you to give up the cat with more

1:29:50of a fight you know or you know Gigi

1:29:53having a tougher time getting away from

1:29:54the dog but you know once i once I got

1:29:55past that I really kind of I sort of

1:29:58like luxuriating in the slow pace of the

1:30:01thing and just kind of appreciating the

1:30:03animation as it comes

1:30:04I given though how sort of gentle and

1:30:08quiet and and not fast cut things were I

1:30:11kind of expected the kids to get up and

1:30:13leave after a while but they didn't they

1:30:14watched they joined it didn't say much

1:30:17during the film the boy enjoyed the the

1:30:21the cats antics

1:30:23mmm big a fan video here i think i think

1:30:25the the phil hartman I mean we sound so

1:30:28snooty talking about you know watch in

1:30:29Japanese or whatever but i mean the the

1:30:31dubbed version is great it's really

1:30:33really good i would not wanna I would

1:30:36not want anybody to think like don't

1:30:37show this to your kids unless they can

1:30:38speak Japanese because it is really

1:30:40great and the heart and character might

1:30:41you know my daughter's got a GG you know

1:30:43plush toys she loves the phil hartman g

1:30:46character i would not would not worry

1:30:48about robbing a six-year-old of that

1:30:50experience because they'll speak

1:30:51Japanese yet my daughter made the

1:30:53observation early on and she's sitting

1:30:55in the room right now so she's pregnant

1:30:56be very

1:30:56mr. i'm talking about her but at any

1:30:58rate yeah one of the one of the few

1:31:00things that was mentioned is really

1:31:02early on when she's getting ready to go

1:31:04and she wants dad to pick her up i like

1:31:06when she was little she pointed out

1:31:07she's having some notes through she

1:31:10pointed out she is not a

1:31:11thirteen-year-old she acts more like an

1:31:13eight-year-old which I thought was

1:31:15fairly percent but from the dads are one

1:31:17of you like I mean my daughter is seven

1:31:20and she does that exact same thing and

1:31:22wants me to pick her up over i had like

1:31:24I used to and I do it pretty much

1:31:26opposed that dad doesn't like you get

1:31:28your backs are snaps you're gonna tap

1:31:30and you know that eventually presently

1:31:32you won't be able to do this anymore but

1:31:34you keep trying to do it i mean that

1:31:35that seems a little bit for the parents

1:31:36more than romantic I i will tell you

1:31:38that that seemed means a lot more to me

1:31:41now with a 12 year old daughter than it

1:31:44did when I was watching with a six-year

1:31:46a it means a lot more right but it's a

1:31:49great moment as a pair but it's also key

1:31:51that you see Kiki be a kid right

1:31:55yes she's about to go out riding this

1:31:56big adventure where she's she can't be

1:31:57anymore it's got to get that lonely

1:31:59getting in the last little bits like I

1:32:01mean that and that's why the dad

1:32:02whispering are you know you can always

1:32:03you can always come home if the domain

1:32:06like yeah right so yeah I think I heard

1:32:10her say that and I thought oh no the

1:32:11sort of Japanese over-the-top miss of

1:32:13some of these things is is gonna sort of

1:32:15throw her off but really it was it was

1:32:18deserve a point so in the end and

1:32:19actually ended up working i think very

1:32:21well yeah everybody enjoyed it i thought

1:32:23it was great

1:32:23I'll probably watch it a few more times

1:32:25and and like it more because I can tell

1:32:27this is one of those growers yes it is

1:32:30and i want to i want to reinforce that

1:32:32that that what you said about we can be

1:32:34we can be snooty about this I i find it

1:32:37interesting if you think you know a

1:32:39movie to watch to turn off the the

1:32:41English dub and watching japanese with

1:32:43subtitles

1:32:44it gives you a different perspective on

1:32:45the movie which i think is interesting

1:32:47for a movie that that you've watched a

1:32:49lot but yes i'm at i'm a gigantic phil

1:32:52hartman fan i think i love almost well

1:32:55not everything you did cuz he did some

1:32:56really crappy movies but he did a lot of

1:32:58amazing stuff and this is a really fun

1:33:01performance from him and if all you do

1:33:03is listen to the japanese version with

1:33:05subtitles

1:33:06you're missing out on a a different but

1:33:08good experience

1:33:10so I just wanted to make a quick i mean

1:33:13i challenge you to find that manager

1:33:14John come up with a handful but there's

1:33:16not that many non american movies I'd

1:33:20say foreign not American movies in

1:33:22movies are not in English you're not

1:33:23gonna find that many movies that are

1:33:26that are survive the dubbing process

1:33:28better than these miyazaki movies

1:33:30I mean they're not perfect but they are

1:33:32so much better than a than a bunch of

1:33:34them i mean even watching we're watching

1:33:35now let's say we weren't watching this

1:33:37because this wouldn't be appropriate

1:33:38watching the anime x-men today and like

1:33:41you know it's I you know it's good but I

1:33:44mean but something John whenever you

1:33:45talk about how sometimes the characters

1:33:47are actually saying anything and then

1:33:49but you know in the english version they

1:33:51feel the need to add things to remember

1:33:52back at all about comfort movies all

1:33:55your yoga master and you've got all

1:33:57these unnecessary grunts and try and

1:33:59fill everything like mouth movement with

1:34:01some kind of sound and and i have to say

1:34:03like you know it would be a really real

1:34:05disservice if we made people think that

1:34:07this isn't okay to watch that because it

1:34:09is there there are I think the Toros

1:34:11another one is just obviously so

1:34:12fantastic their other there are a few

1:34:14such moments in this dub like there's a

1:34:16scene where she's at the mirror and she

1:34:18opens her mouth real life she says yeah

1:34:21yeah look it comes off a little weird

1:34:27but instead they are very very well to

1:34:29deal with the distance

1:34:30disney's deal with the distribution of

1:34:31their stuffs of the studio ghibli stuff

1:34:34is the my understanding is they're not

1:34:36allowed to change the video at all and

1:34:39so right dubs like your force like they

1:34:42basically said no we can't touch a

1:34:43friend but can we cut out that part

1:34:44where she has her mouth open for an

1:34:45extended period of time because there's

1:34:46no syllable in English that does that is

1:34:48like no you actually can't change the

1:34:49video but what you can do is you know

1:34:52what we have traditionally done and make

1:34:53her draw out somewhere so I'm so glad

1:34:56that there because like with a with

1:34:58nausea they did that terrible warriors

1:35:00of the wind thing where they just chop

1:35:01the video to bits i think that's kind of

1:35:03what drove the future deal which said

1:35:05you can distribute our movies in America

1:35:07you but you cannot change the frame of

1:35:09the video right that's a good movie

1:35:11question for anybody who's who has

1:35:13watched the Japanese which i guess is

1:35:15all of you except me i understand that

1:35:18when Disney did the dub they also

1:35:19changed a lot of the music cues they

1:35:21made it's a bit more bombastic not just

1:35:23that the opening and closing songs but

1:35:25also some of the actual score is that

1:35:28scaled back in the japanese version or

1:35:30is it still have the same i'm not that I

1:35:32noticed i think i mean the beginning in

1:35:35any music or different is their middle

1:35:37part they said that they added there is

1:35:38there is little bit yeah there's that

1:35:40the tinkling kind of song i think maybe

1:35:42around the time that she's on the bike

1:35:44with it there's actually a different

1:35:45middle song in the japanese one that's

1:35:48not that's not as dramatic as a song

1:35:49they put in the english but i think it's

1:35:50about it it's just different

1:35:52I mean this is the interesting thing is

1:35:53they're just different there and neither

1:35:55of them and then again neither of them

1:35:58is the definitive because the definitive

1:35:59is your Japanese you understand Japanese

1:36:02you understand Japanese culture and you

1:36:03watch the movie and I can't do that so I

1:36:07be really curious to hear your take

1:36:08Jason on the 2010 version that i watched

1:36:10because it sounds like all the things

1:36:12that they deliberately removed from the

1:36:14original disney dub were smart boobs

1:36:17this is why i'm waiting for the blu-ray

1:36:19because i assume the blu-ray will be

1:36:21that same that same take on it and and I

1:36:24want to get this in HD and I think

1:36:26that'll be that'll be graded it does it

1:36:28sound so sure did Lucas is part of that

1:36:30initiate it sounds like they backed off

1:36:32it sounds like they really heard

1:36:35the criticism of some of the changes or

1:36:38whether they heard that from fans or

1:36:40they or I imagine some of it might be

1:36:42John Lasseter because he's now in a

1:36:44position of authority at Disney and his

1:36:46Lordships music and he worships miyazaki

1:36:48so I think maybe even Lassiter's like

1:36:50can we do some things can we fix this a

1:36:52little bit before we put it out again

1:36:53and and so I think that's cool because

1:36:56it sounds like they they've made it and

1:36:58they've used that good dub and brought

1:37:00it back a little to make it a little

1:37:02more like the original here's a pro tip

1:37:04for watching the you're watching a

1:37:06subtitled versions of these movies

1:37:08miyazaki movie studio ghibli movies in

1:37:10general

1:37:11turn off the subtitles during the

1:37:13credits because in these movies the

1:37:16credit sequences are often you know

1:37:19knows it was a great example like a

1:37:20little mini movies in and of themselves

1:37:22and their framed with the Japanese

1:37:24credits which you can't read fine just

1:37:26pretend they're a nice little art

1:37:27they're framed with the action in the

1:37:29credits you know just so and when they

1:37:31put the American credits on they have to

1:37:33cover the action and totally destroyed

1:37:35the composition of all the frames turn

1:37:36off the subtitles during the credits to

1:37:38turn them back on with the movie starts

1:37:40wandering the grounds and I wish that

1:37:41was the default mode like not that I

1:37:43don't want to see the English names of

1:37:44these people or whatever but that's

1:37:46that's part of the movie and I feel like

1:37:47they are altering the video by saying

1:37:49well there's a block of japanese text

1:37:50over here

1:37:51Kiki's over there and we're gonna put

1:37:52these English names right over Kiki no

1:37:54don't do that whereas whereas in the

1:37:55dubbed version they just take out the

1:37:57Japanese and replace it with English

1:38:00were right so they also mess up the

1:38:02composition on that is true they do

1:38:04because they don't fit the same as good

1:38:05as the worst one though it's not as it

1:38:06goes like this beautiful little mini

1:38:08tone poem of credits and there is no

1:38:11place to put English words anywhere made

1:38:13and they do and it's terrible so turn

1:38:15them off

1:38:15alright one other question about the

1:38:17original Japanese is the naked line in

1:38:20there I don't know enough Japanese it's

1:38:23in the subtitle version is really nice

1:38:25is that doesn't tell you anything but I

1:38:27imagine it would be because like again

1:38:29that's like it comes to see my actions

1:38:32etching not invited yeah that's under I

1:38:34was just frankly amazed she wants she

1:38:36wants to do a drawing with me in it says

1:38:38Kiki and his responses naked and its

1:38:41just oh tu so nasty it's it's just it's

1:38:45got such a rye feel to it I was

1:38:47surprised that they kept it intact in

1:38:49the Disney version because it's that's

1:38:51it that's a pretty good entendre right

1:38:54there but it if that is in the movie

1:38:56though which I can imagine it would be

1:38:57because again the Japanese an artist

1:38:58puritanical we are about this it's still

1:39:00a it fits into the theme of the movie

1:39:02because it's a certain point like the

1:39:04idea of her seeing herself as a sexual

1:39:06being other people seeing her that way

1:39:07or that being a possibility and not just

1:39:09being a giggle worthy thing is part of

1:39:11the act of growing up and like that

1:39:13touch on it just barely there and that's

1:39:16that's how it begins like you just can't

1:39:17nobody touch on just barely just another

1:39:20thought on there in that respect when

1:39:21the cat stop stalking its around the

1:39:23time that he hooks up with the the hot

1:39:25female kitty

1:39:26so maybe that's his story that you see

1:39:28in this is so Randy Garcia on Twitter

1:39:30want heat while listening to us said to

1:39:32me it's not the key grows up

1:39:34it's the g grows up and is no longer

1:39:36interested in human so that i crack

1:39:39that's very cat right there to like that

1:39:41cats are never interested in humans so

1:39:43yeah they start out I know what he

1:39:45learned his lesson

1:39:46John you had something yes I'd like this

1:39:48this is also my favorite miyazaki movie

1:39:51uh I don't remember when I first saw it

1:39:52but it was probably way back in the

1:39:54eighties and I think I first saw it like

1:39:55at home you know like by myself during

1:39:59the summer is just one of those one of

1:40:01those lazy summer day kind of moves from

1:40:0389 so i'm not too sure it's even got

1:40:05here until like 90 91 something I I

1:40:07don't remember where I even where I saw

1:40:09it like it was definitely one of those

1:40:11kind of relaxing movies you just like

1:40:13are surprised by your sort of let it

1:40:15happen and it's just grown and grown on

1:40:18me over the years and my plan with my

1:40:20kids that I executed was the image but i

1:40:22would i would in dr. ate them with many

1:40:25movies that i'm dr. with this was a big

1:40:27one like the two things I was leaning

1:40:28heavily were basically like Star Wars

1:40:30and miyazaki and of all the miyazaki

1:40:32this is the movie that I kept showing

1:40:34them like first of all this is you can

1:40:36show this like total you can show this

1:40:37to a two-year-old like you can show us

1:40:39that to anybody and most kids will not

1:40:42be frightened by over and i just showed

1:40:43it to them constantly and both my son

1:40:46and my daughter because it is such like

1:40:48I knew that what they were going to see

1:40:49for their entire lives were sort of

1:40:52Western action movies with male

1:40:54protagonists that are just like we all

1:40:56know what that's gonna be like

1:40:57everything they see is going to be like

1:40:58that including Star Wars for that matter

1:41:00like it's all going to be like that

1:41:01have so many so few go tues for

1:41:04realistic depictions of young self

1:41:08actualized females that I just saturated

1:41:10them to the degree now that i think my

1:41:12seven-year-old daughter every time I

1:41:13bring movies like I want to see that

1:41:14again like she's smoothie thousands of

1:41:17times and I strongly encourage every

1:41:19parent of sons or daughters to get this

1:41:23movie to get Toto and just to show them

1:41:26constantly so that they're burned into

1:41:27your children's DNA is because until it

1:41:29once they enter that wider world all

1:41:31they're gonna see is the generic like

1:41:33there's just so few good examples of

1:41:35this and it kills me that this issue of

1:41:37them and I maybe I'm burning my children

1:41:39out in this movie but this movie is a

1:41:41parenting tool I feel like come on daddy

1:41:44watch a princess tonight I believe me

1:41:46when i say the princess you're never

1:41:48going to stop that like she has seen all

1:41:50the other movies I some people feel the

1:41:52same way about frozen but I feel even

1:41:54more strongly about these movies that

1:41:55they are they are sort of just gentle

1:41:59and even-handed and just just good like

1:42:02they're not educationally but just

1:42:04couldn't lose you can I want this movie

1:42:05to be part of like the internal

1:42:07emotional landscape of my children

1:42:08essentially and so I've done I've done

1:42:10that through repetition I hope and

1:42:12that's how i feel about these movies and

1:42:14I'm essentially willing to to trust my

1:42:15children trust them with my children I i

1:42:17agree with everything you said but I

1:42:18also want to add that they're weird

1:42:20which is great haha no I'm seriously so

1:42:23many there's so much can you know and

1:42:25like we're joking about like expecting

1:42:26you know like a bank vault to fall in

1:42:28somebody's head or something but I mean

1:42:29you know we got the way we are from

1:42:32watching certain kind of cartoon a

1:42:34reading a certain kind of comic over and

1:42:35over and over and I think you could do

1:42:37worse than introducing something like

1:42:38this when they're ready for it yet

1:42:39spirited away when they're ready for it

1:42:41because I mean what happens in these

1:42:43movies like you know like you're making

1:42:44funny a John because I'd finally seen

1:42:46nautica and that in Prince monokey were

1:42:49to that and I mean I guess I'm glad we

1:42:52waited awhile because they're both like

1:42:54declar they're a little their little

1:42:56rougher you have the correct they are

1:42:57but oh my god princess

1:42:59they're both so goddamn weird if they're

1:43:02just extremely extremely stress it's

1:43:04very difficult to even explain what

1:43:06happens in some sequences because

1:43:07Stephen describing what combination of

1:43:09fantastic animals this looks like it's

1:43:11impossible and its kind of bleeding but

1:43:13it's not it's all soup

1:43:14you're weird but i think that's really

1:43:16good i really like my daughter started i

1:43:18started showing her Marx Brothers movies

1:43:19where like she's gonna have absolutely

1:43:21no idea what's happened but she she asks

1:43:24talk about a gift a kid who wants to

1:43:26watch duck soup like I want her to sit

1:43:28there and have a process what's going on

1:43:29in this and and and nana I'm not mean I

1:43:33mean it merely just as like some kind of

1:43:34an sa80 study program but i think the

1:43:37idea of putting things in front of your

1:43:38kids they don't expect that they're

1:43:39gonna have to ask questions about or

1:43:40just wonder about i mean it's it's just

1:43:42so easy to sit down and I'm the

1:43:44trash-talking a hero or something but

1:43:46it's just so easy to sit down and walk

1:43:48through that same little Candyland game

1:43:50of these same 35 movies that all their

1:43:52friends have seen and I like the idea of

1:43:54challenging them to like see something

1:43:56that doesn't on the face of it make a

1:43:58lot of sense i'm an old guy and I don't

1:43:59understand all of it so I think that's a

1:44:01really good exercise when they're ready

1:44:02for it I think it's a really good idea

1:44:03and like the internal landscape of all

1:44:06their friends are going to be beauty and

1:44:08the beast aladdin snow white monster

1:44:11high like like about like move some of

1:44:14these are really good but great are very

1:44:16much like you can describe this movie on

1:44:18the playground and it'll make sense and

1:44:19how many movies do they see where they

1:44:22were there is ineffable quality to it I

1:44:24don't just say magic but there's nothing

1:44:25inevitable about it was like we kind of

1:44:27just got to see it to really get it

1:44:28yeah and the kids don't appreciate all

1:44:30these nuances of these movies were

1:44:31discussing but I really do feel like

1:44:32they internalize them and that like that

1:44:34I basically what I'm trying to do is

1:44:36like I want the inside of my children to

1:44:39be something different in some small way

1:44:41than the inside of a other children

1:44:43because i want to give them an

1:44:44experience that they wouldn't have is

1:44:46they're all that experience they were

1:44:47talking about they're gonna get that

1:44:48whether we do it or not like there's

1:44:51nothing we can do to stop them from from

1:44:53getting on it's like worrying if they'll

1:44:54discover french fries right it's like

1:44:56you know the they will get on the air

1:44:57desert-like don't we're not gonna give

1:44:59our child deserves well good luck with

1:45:00that like it that you know it's the

1:45:02world is going to happen to them all you

1:45:04can do and you get a specialist I say

1:45:06start young like you get such a small

1:45:08window of time to 34 years old to make

1:45:12any sort of impression online and also

1:45:14just blaming it from an adult

1:45:15perspective showing them that I like

1:45:17these movies i watch them without them

1:45:18sometimes they come down when they can't

1:45:20sleep in the same you're watching

1:45:21miyazaki movie and I think that has an

1:45:22effect they're saying these are just

1:45:23kids movies that we watch these movies

1:45:25and daddy watches to like they're good

1:45:27for everybody

1:45:28you get so few chances to do so do you

1:45:31have a miyazaki movie on a loop and then

1:45:32when an infrared beam is triggered game

1:45:34of thrones flips over to the miyazaki

1:45:36movies come down the stairs that are our

1:45:38stairs are very creaky and i was able to

1:45:41pause the night when we heard one kid

1:45:42coming down it looks like John's playing

1:45:44journey but he hits a button in and

1:45:46Microsoft Excel comes up you know I mean

1:45:49like I really running along but like

1:45:51there's one like unfortunate side effect

1:45:54of a good thing a good thing is

1:45:57realizing that it matters what we showed

1:45:58that show our kids like it's a good

1:46:00thing i'm really glad that like you know

1:46:02there was a there was a time when you

1:46:05couldn't just have commercials disguises

1:46:07TV shows like in the seventies that was

1:46:09a thing for a while the eighties that

1:46:11one away

1:46:11I guess I guess I just feel like it's

1:46:13adjusted to to amplify with John saying

1:46:16that there's there's so many things you

1:46:20could do like I've probably there's com

1:46:22definitely comics I've read with my kids

1:46:24comics ever with my kids this week that

1:46:26she's probably too young to be reading

1:46:27and I don't feel great about that but in

1:46:29the case of this movie script what I say

1:46:31that because I want her to be exposed to

1:46:33stuff that's beyond the incredibly broad

1:46:37darkly drawing outlines of what

1:46:40constitutes children's entertainment

1:46:41because it's really depressing if you if

1:46:44you really look at the landscape that's

1:46:46out there of what you're supposed to be

1:46:47consuming when you know I mean like

1:46:49clone wars clone wars i think is awesome

1:46:50I like it better than three of the style

1:46:54person because it's really good but it's

1:46:56also it's it's it's really predictable

1:46:59and I just think the idea of like

1:47:00throwing stuff to your kid that is not

1:47:02dangerous but there's not that much like

1:47:04my smokes probably little much for a

1:47:07young kid spirit whale a little much for

1:47:09a young kid but I don't know I just feel

1:47:11like giving your kids the chance to have

1:47:13stuff we don't sit around read

1:47:15fairytales so much as we did when I was

1:47:17a kid so there's nothing if you're going

1:47:19to be in this media landscape giving

1:47:20them start putting stuff in their path

1:47:21that they're going to think about and

1:47:23maybe they'll have a question a year

1:47:24from now that they don't have today but

1:47:26adding the transition to parenting

1:47:27lesson but i just think that's such a

1:47:29great opportunity like John says you

1:47:30don't have forever or even even live

1:47:32action movies for adults get like that

1:47:35for the actresses that are out there

1:47:37what roles do they have for women

1:47:39that I that they are the hero of the

1:47:42story unequivocally but no no any sort

1:47:46of qualifiers no restaurant I mean like

1:47:48zero gravity wasn't hundred local things

1:47:49happen to some Republican gravity and

1:47:52she was kind of like more like an inner

1:47:53struggle like nausea go straight up

1:47:55she's the hero of the story and over in

1:47:57it not in not in a you could substitute

1:47:59a male character be the same story

1:48:01because it wouldn't she's also she's a

1:48:02female she acts like a female she's also

1:48:05you know she has like it's I don't just

1:48:08dont even cie I maybe I'm not thinking

1:48:10well stop that someone knows it will

1:48:11throw it out maybe like is there a

1:48:13live-action movie that is a

1:48:14straightforward action/adventure movie

1:48:16with a female hero to agree that the

1:48:18Nazca is and I don't even think there is

1:48:19that hope so i got hopes for Lucy it's

1:48:21not something she'll be watching anytime

1:48:23soon but i gotta i don't know i think

1:48:24she's got to go like it you know be the

1:48:26killing machine and that one like there

1:48:28are certain things that were allowed to

1:48:29have and i would say that i would hold

1:48:31nas ago and and Kiki for that matter is

1:48:33to movies that could never fly as a

1:48:35Hollywood live action movie classic is a

1:48:37good action movie too though that's the

1:48:39thing is like it isn't just that I think

1:48:40a lot of people think Miyazaki's all

1:48:42like giant avoid smiling faces and it's

1:48:45it's not I mean he's only seen her on

1:48:48key and you haven't seen mine okay and

1:48:50and not-so-good you can be forgiven for

1:48:52thinking that but you're missing a big

1:48:54part of the picture there I just like

1:48:55the fact that everything here isn't

1:48:56handed to the kid that's watching on a

1:48:58platter right i mean there's weirdness

1:49:00there are there are themes that are

1:49:03really subtle as far as you know growing

1:49:05up and hand the whole puberty aspect of

1:49:08it which they will be picked up on for

1:49:10quite some time but there's there's a

1:49:12lot of stuff that goes on that they

1:49:14actually have to piece together

1:49:15themselves to start just you know what

1:49:17why did this person why did that go that

1:49:19way why did that person to what they did

1:49:21why would they motivated separate why or

1:49:23why is she why is she I can tell like

1:49:25kids can tell that she's upset or sad

1:49:26but they will take a long time before

1:49:28very why why is she upset because she

1:49:31doesn't explain why her she's gone away

1:49:32and eventually like that's the party

1:49:34movies the kids won't get until they are

1:49:35themselves 12 and go oh now I recognize

1:49:38why she shuts down when the kids pull up

1:49:40in the car right and that's too

1:49:42sophisticated for this point I really

1:49:44like watching this with the kids tonight

1:49:45because even though they they would

1:49:47laugh at the occasional you know funny

1:49:49cat joke and wouldn't say much about

1:49:51what's going on in the film

1:49:53you can watch their faces and you can

1:49:55kind of see the gears turning or once in

1:49:57a while you'd see like a little subtle

1:49:58smile appear on a face at an appropriate

1:50:00point and it's just it's really fun to

1:50:02kind of see the brain started to work

1:50:05while they're watching a movie instead

1:50:06of just you know things flowing by

1:50:08adults should watch this movie because

1:50:09it is i think many seems like it

1:50:11sometimes you think your kids get more

1:50:13than they do right it was a very often i

1:50:15will add my kids hate this as all kids

1:50:17should we'll ask them why did character

1:50:20X what is characterized feeling now and

1:50:22why I kind of hate you for asking it now

1:50:24they absolutely they absolutely do not

1:50:26know the answer sometimes they can tell

1:50:28what the person is feeling of his

1:50:29animation i can tell she's not happy or

1:50:31sad or whatever but they have no idea

1:50:32why and they're not going to such an

1:50:33awful thing to do to your kids Jon

1:50:35that's like saying show your work i

1:50:36asked them gently and I don't lean on it

1:50:39and yes and yes they do hate it and they

1:50:41can either be something similar is what

1:50:43it's all about things a young girl could

1:50:44do in the city to earn over

1:50:45no I don't know what I'm trying to do

1:50:48what I'm trying to do is the kinds of

1:50:51things we could do naked I'm I'm trying

1:50:53to gauge whether they are actually

1:50:55following along to the degree you hope

1:50:56they aren't his thing is they don't they

1:50:57don't understand like I mean many adults

1:51:00don't understand why you ask it if you

1:51:02like to try this with your adult friends

1:51:04pause the movie and ask them you'll be

1:51:06very depressed by those answers well

1:51:07anyway which I know that John I mean the

1:51:10one simple question to ask the end it

1:51:11sounds silly but sometimes I yeah i'll

1:51:13turn and see what you do that why did

1:51:14you do that just know what you think he

1:51:16did that he did that because he was mad

1:51:17he did it because he was sad

1:51:19well you know didn't turn out the way we

1:51:20expected like it better than me

1:51:22no but I think sometimes asking i have

1:51:25the motivation thing that's what I love

1:51:26and again any great story

1:51:28I mean you know i'm always pulling up to

1:51:30the high level but I got I'm always the

1:51:31most fascinated by stories as

1:51:33representing something that starts in a

1:51:35certain state and eventually more or

1:51:36less ends in another state and what we

1:51:38learn about somebody who's faced with

1:51:40something that seems impossible

1:51:42that's what makes a great story so when

1:51:44your face when were in life where face

1:51:45it was something impossible like how do

1:51:47we handle it like not great a lot of the

1:51:49time and along the way you are your

1:51:51integrity as a person is constantly

1:51:53tested by all these opportunities to try

1:51:55and handle this in a way that feels like

1:51:57it's going to be less stressful or

1:51:58whatever and I think someone's along the

1:52:00way it's it's worth you know you don't

1:52:02sit down and turn it into some kind of

1:52:03afterschool special but you could you

1:52:05could do it on there

1:52:06equestria girls you can you just sit

1:52:08there and go like you know why why is

1:52:10this why is this person behaving in the

1:52:11way that they are do you think anyway

1:52:13and having bought a son and a daughter

1:52:15when i asked the two questions of the

1:52:16nine-year-old son and a seven-year-old

1:52:18daughter it is shocking how much more

1:52:19the seven-year-old daughter is able to

1:52:21understand what's going on in the

1:52:23emotional world of the characters on the

1:52:24screen i mean i know that's a stereotype

1:52:25but I've got the two kids and I guess

1:52:27the two kids the questions and despite a

1:52:29three-year age difference the

1:52:30seven-year-old knows why that girl or

1:52:32boys upset and the nine-year-old if he

1:52:35knows he's not saying so that brings us

1:52:37to the end of our show and i would like

1:52:38to thank my lovely gasps for once again

1:52:41spending some time talking about a

1:52:44miyazaki movie with me Merlin man it was

1:52:46great to have you back

1:52:48thanks man it's a it's always a joy to

1:52:49be here appreciate it I'm glad youwere

1:52:51you could take the time and i love i

1:52:54love talking about these crazy crazy

1:52:56miyazaki movies with you it's great

1:52:58sluts thank you for a for coming in for

1:53:01watching this movie for the first time

1:53:03and thus I thank you for making me watch

1:53:05this movie for first and second time i

1:53:07really enjoyed it you I didn't make you

1:53:09I mean you volunteered to do and

1:53:11bridging all right okay then i have to

1:53:14get the band back together that sure

1:53:16you're a little bit up here you're right

1:53:17i did i'd pick that's all right to

1:53:19define time and I'd I feel like my my my

1:53:23horizons have been expanded yet again

1:53:25prognosis of miyazaki yeah

1:53:27yep yep and John syracuse I would've

1:53:29done without you thanks for being here

1:53:31wouldn't miss it my favorite miyazaki

1:53:34movie i know i'm with you i'm right

1:53:36there with you

1:53:37and so that wraps it up if you liked

1:53:41this podcast check out episode 84 which

1:53:44is me and John talking about miyazaki

1:53:46and this gang in episode 144 talking

1:53:50about my neighbor totoro so thanks

1:53:52everybody out there for listening to the

1:53:54uncomfortable

1:53:55we'll see you next time