Roderick on the Line

Ep. 178: "Action Movie Doctor"


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00:00:20   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:24   I'm Merlin how's it going good to hear [TS]

00:00:27   your voice [TS]

00:00:28   it's good to hear your voice it sounds [TS]

00:00:30   really clear and crisp and present i'm [TS]

00:00:33   always trying to up my game [TS]

00:00:35   what have you done well you know I brush [TS]

00:00:37   my teeth a had two three coffees I've [TS]

00:00:40   had a smell towards oh I can smell them [TS]

00:00:43   from here [TS]

00:00:44   mm-hmm I know you know I'm I you know I [TS]

00:00:48   try you know not that hard its [TS]

00:00:50   podcasting yeah right exactly you know [TS]

00:00:53   doesn't seem like drop it's like you [TS]

00:00:55   really need to try that hard you know [TS]

00:00:57   remember when when when the when the [TS]

00:01:00   Pearl Jam first arrived on the scene huh [TS]

00:01:03   and you remember that music video for [TS]

00:01:05   the one about the kid that kills [TS]

00:01:06   everybody in his in his classroom and [TS]

00:01:08   yellow sun because they don't because [TS]

00:01:10   anyone ever has their your arm in there [TS]

00:01:13   and do your video [TS]

00:01:16   yeah great video very very very [TS]

00:01:18   evocative very current [TS]

00:01:19   I don't use that one of those but issues [TS]

00:01:22   it definitely was about issues but I [TS]

00:01:24   remember the I remember most distinctly [TS]

00:01:26   see I didn't have a TV then as now but i [TS]

00:01:32   but I did see that video a lot because I [TS]

00:01:33   just for my records you you don't you [TS]

00:01:35   don't have a TV at all right now [TS]

00:01:37   well it's not that I don't have a TV i [TS]

00:01:39   have a TV that I have a one of those [TS]

00:01:44   giant cathode ray tube tvs that was [TS]

00:01:48   given to me by my next-door neighbor ok [TS]

00:01:50   alright that that I haven't you know [TS]

00:01:52   it's not plugged in but I can't get rid [TS]

00:01:54   of because nobody wants ok so I mean I [TS]

00:01:56   open my own one [TS]

00:01:58   it's just actually attending I don't be [TS]

00:02:00   sensitive about it okay to continue [TS]

00:02:02   so at then as now he didn't own a TV [TS]

00:02:06   right or rather than I didn't know the [TS]

00:02:09   TV now I own a TV [TS]

00:02:10   mm I'm a TV owner but you didn't have [TS]

00:02:13   cable especially well I don't have cable [TS]

00:02:15   now and I didn't have cable but your [TS]

00:02:17   cord cutter clipped it clipped it [TS]

00:02:19   however i did see that video a lot [TS]

00:02:23   because MTV was still in its waning days [TS]

00:02:25   of ubiquity [TS]

00:02:30   and I remember thinking what is he doing [TS]

00:02:32   what is any better [TS]

00:02:33   mr. fetter what is he doing with his [TS]

00:02:35   teeth why is he baring his teeth was he [TS]

00:02:37   showing them to me [TS]

00:02:39   yeah with the big guy like this big [TS]

00:02:43   saucer eyes [TS]

00:02:44   yeah but all the it was all the teeth [TS]

00:02:45   that that's that freaked me out and [TS]

00:02:47   scare me yeah all the back [TS]

00:02:50   big big big like a teeth mouth mmm and [TS]

00:02:54   it was a style of singing that he was [TS]

00:02:59   broadcasting that I had that I prior to [TS]

00:03:02   that didn't know you know I knew the [TS]

00:03:05   black open your mouth big and I knew the [TS]

00:03:07   hood Wow [TS]

00:03:09   but like he his mouth is an open it like [TS]

00:03:12   it's not open wide it's just that his [TS]

00:03:15   lips are open wide [TS]

00:03:16   who is like teasing you so then I was in [TS]

00:03:20   the recording studio many years later [TS]

00:03:22   and I was singing a song i was like [TS]

00:03:25   sitting in this song but I was just [TS]

00:03:27   seeing it you know normal like rubadoux [TS]

00:03:30   sort of in mypin my mouth in my brain [TS]

00:03:33   uh-huh but it just doesn't sound [TS]

00:03:35   articulate enough it didn't have the [TS]

00:03:36   clarity that I wanted it just sounded [TS]

00:03:38   like i was bored and so for whatever [TS]

00:03:41   reason I started to sing with the any [TS]

00:03:45   better like can you hear can hear the [TS]

00:03:46   difference in like seeing them talking [TS]

00:03:48   right now and then i'm gonna i'm talking [TS]

00:03:50   like this and though and it's like [TS]

00:03:52   brightened it up with the you just peel [TS]

00:03:54   your lips back off your teeth and only [TS]

00:03:56   Son some relevant like you've had enough [TS]

00:03:58   yeah all of a sudden it's just like I've [TS]

00:04:00   got all this energy and this stuff to [TS]

00:04:03   say because my my lips aren't in the way [TS]

00:04:07   of what of what my teeth are trying to [TS]

00:04:10   tell me [TS]

00:04:11   and so and I just like and I just had [TS]

00:04:14   all this sort of aggressive energy in [TS]

00:04:16   the song and I realized that that you [TS]

00:04:19   can convey so much by just how like [TS]

00:04:23   tight your lips are and how like much [TS]

00:04:26   you [TS]

00:04:27   I get them off your teeth mad get them [TS]

00:04:30   off so anyway that's what you sounded [TS]

00:04:33   like early when you first one it when I [TS]

00:04:35   first picked up the phone i was like [TS]

00:04:36   'well Merlin's really baring his teeth [TS]

00:04:38   today [TS]

00:04:38   you think I'm being intense no not [TS]

00:04:40   intense but like good like em you know [TS]

00:04:43   the press [TS]

00:04:43   and i'm interested in face shapes you [TS]

00:04:46   know my mom was in sales and she said [TS]

00:04:48   something she did when she was doing a [TS]

00:04:50   real estate was whenever she would speak [TS]

00:04:52   to someone on the phone she would smile [TS]

00:04:54   and that when you see me smile while [TS]

00:04:56   you're speaking to someone it's [TS]

00:04:57   telegraphing to the phone he's you sound [TS]

00:05:00   a little crazy clown but if you try [TS]

00:05:01   smiling when you're talking you sound [TS]

00:05:03   happier when you smile the whole world i [TS]

00:05:05   got listen to you sound so happy right i [TS]

00:05:07   mean it's just right there in your in [TS]

00:05:09   your face your relevant now in a [TS]

00:05:11   different way [TS]

00:05:12   super smiley like ready to sell some [TS]

00:05:14   real estate [TS]

00:05:15   yes yeah right i mean i-i don't do that [TS]

00:05:19   enough and there are lots of people that [TS]

00:05:20   smile all the time just their faces are [TS]

00:05:23   just they just learn to smile all the [TS]

00:05:25   time [TS]

00:05:26   well you know this week on a ping-pong [TS]

00:05:28   corner I'm gonna tell you that when i [TS]

00:05:30   moved to san francisco i had noted to a [TS]

00:05:32   friend of mine that in my largely [TS]

00:05:34   predominantly Chinese neighborhood [TS]

00:05:35   mostly older chinese people [TS]

00:05:36   yeah I was really struck by uh yeah it's [TS]

00:05:41   just you against the kind of thing you [TS]

00:05:42   say when literacy was totally lose but [TS]

00:05:44   like the Chinese people do you suppose [TS]

00:05:46   the older chinese people in my [TS]

00:05:48   neighborhood [TS]

00:05:48   do not engage they sometimes engage with [TS]

00:05:50   one another but you don't see a lot in [TS]

00:05:52   public and they very rarely make eye [TS]

00:05:54   contact with or talk to people and I I [TS]

00:05:58   was a little thrown off right because [TS]

00:05:59   i'm from at that point north florida I'm [TS]

00:06:01   used to and even in the rest of San [TS]

00:06:02   Francisco ain't shit man people are [TS]

00:06:04   joining each other's conversations on [TS]

00:06:05   street corners in San Francisco all the [TS]

00:06:06   time it's a very social town so I was [TS]

00:06:08   kind of struck by that night i said this [TS]

00:06:10   to a friend of mine did you have you [TS]

00:06:12   ever have you ever noticed this as well [TS]

00:06:14   no yeah actually I have and they said i [TS]

00:06:16   don't know this is true and forgive me [TS]

00:06:18   this ping-pong but that supposedly that [TS]

00:06:21   the whole like smiling all the time for [TS]

00:06:24   no reason is not a thing for chinese [TS]

00:06:26   people that it's considered I guess [TS]

00:06:28   maybe like insincere or maybe like [TS]

00:06:30   reveal some kind of weakness like you're [TS]

00:06:32   on your back on your heels a little bit [TS]

00:06:33   i don't know if that's true but some [TS]

00:06:35   people smile a lot more than others even [TS]

00:06:37   when they're not happy ending for [TS]

00:06:39   everybody smiles all the time [TS]

00:06:40   well right and nobody's happy nobody's [TS]

00:06:42   happy to in north Florida in my [TS]

00:06:44   experience in Europe which is the [TS]

00:06:46   majority of my overseas experience [TS]

00:06:48   people over there consider Americans to [TS]

00:06:52   be fairly insincere not not just because [TS]

00:06:56   we smile [TS]

00:06:57   I'll artificially and for no reason but [TS]

00:07:01   also that we congratulate each other all [TS]

00:07:04   the time and that we say things that are [TS]

00:07:07   good ideas when they aren't right and we [TS]

00:07:10   just generally blow smoke up one [TS]

00:07:12   another's asses as a form of politeness [TS]

00:07:14   and particularly in the in Northern [TS]

00:07:18   Europe that is considered like a very [TS]

00:07:22   American behavior and very like untrue i [TS]

00:07:25   better make you seem a little bit like a [TS]

00:07:26   huckster yeah that's exactly right [TS]

00:07:29   this kind of visit the sense of like [TS]

00:07:31   that an American is trying to sell you [TS]

00:07:33   something is trying to put one over on [TS]

00:07:35   you right and particularly like the [TS]

00:07:37   Germans and the Dutch do not feel like [TS]

00:07:40   they need to be complemented they want [TS]

00:07:43   to be told the straight story and the [TS]

00:07:45   and the Danes seem to be similar [TS]

00:07:48   so I mean and down in this down in like [TS]

00:07:52   the Mediterranean countries it's not [TS]

00:07:54   it's not so true [TS]

00:07:55   they have different culture but for sure [TS]

00:07:58   the different culture of likes [TS]

00:08:00   compliments and smile but like in the [TS]

00:08:03   North boy mean i am not a particularly [TS]

00:08:06   complimenti effusive person but the [TS]

00:08:12   first couple of times I got off stage [TS]

00:08:14   and came down and said at the merch [TS]

00:08:16   table and like it was a line of people [TS]

00:08:17   in each one of them was like it was not [TS]

00:08:20   so bad right now it's just pick up bags [TS]

00:08:24   I i read this book in the nineties [TS]

00:08:26   suggested by by my friend's father a guy [TS]

00:08:32   who did a lot of international travel i [TS]

00:08:34   think i learned about this book from him [TS]

00:08:35   or at least my interest came out of this [TS]

00:08:37   so he traveled a lot of Japan a lot [TS]

00:08:39   throughout Asia and yes also Europe and [TS]

00:08:42   was just talking about like the the [TS]

00:08:44   cultural differences that you you really [TS]

00:08:47   forget these things at your peril and [TS]

00:08:49   one of them that really struck me was so [TS]

00:08:51   anyway this was led me to read this book [TS]

00:08:53   called kiss bow or shake hands and it's [TS]

00:08:55   basically a book for tingling Americans [TS]

00:08:57   about things that might surprise you [TS]

00:08:59   when you go to another country and [TS]

00:09:01   there's the things you've heard about [TS]

00:09:01   like don't show people the sole of your [TS]

00:09:03   shoe in like Saudi Arabia like those [TS]

00:09:05   things like that there's a lot don't [TS]

00:09:07   shake a left hand turkey don't spit on [TS]

00:09:09   the ground in Morocco [TS]

00:09:10   I can tell you for sure don't do that [TS]

00:09:14   because i had a knife pointed at me [TS]

00:09:16   you're kidding [TS]

00:09:17   no I was it is that's the equivalent of [TS]

00:09:19   taking up taking a poop on the sidewalk [TS]

00:09:20   well no it was it happened at a very [TS]

00:09:22   inopportune time when I was young I [TS]

00:09:25   don't know if you ever experienced this [TS]

00:09:27   but like I went through a phase where I [TS]

00:09:29   I was spitting all the time I've had [TS]

00:09:33   faces for sure [TS]

00:09:34   yeah we're just like just I think every [TS]

00:09:36   teenage boy it's almost like a rite of [TS]

00:09:38   passage but I'm talking broad terms [TS]

00:09:39   today a lot a lot of teenage boys or [TS]

00:09:42   preteen boys definitely go through a [TS]

00:09:44   spinny thing I see in my neighborhood is [TS]

00:09:45   a huge spitting culture in my [TS]

00:09:47   neighborhood [TS]

00:09:48   yeah I i find it disgusting I don't even [TS]

00:09:51   I can't even identify with where I was [TS]

00:09:53   coming from the time but I just I just [TS]

00:09:56   spit a lot and I was in Morocco where [TS]

00:09:59   that is already like not a good deal and [TS]

00:10:02   I was in a public market in Marrakech [TS]

00:10:05   and I was this is what made it awful i [TS]

00:10:09   was actually negotiating with a guy [TS]

00:10:12   oh dear that's got layers yeah so I'm [TS]

00:10:15   sitting there and it's you know and i'm [TS]

00:10:16   not i'm not in the the market [TS]

00:10:19   I'm like out in front of the market kind [TS]

00:10:21   of in a in an area where people have [TS]

00:10:23   their wares out on blankets and I'm and [TS]

00:10:27   I'm negotiating with the guy over a belt [TS]

00:10:31   like a like a hold your pants up belt [TS]

00:10:34   yeah and I just at some point in the [TS]

00:10:38   conversation I just spit on the ground [TS]

00:10:39   and he reacted violently and it became a [TS]

00:10:45   big fracas and I was like I hate no I [TS]

00:10:49   didn't you know I meant no offense I was [TS]

00:10:51   just you know i'm 20 years old and I [TS]

00:10:53   don't know my ass from a hole in the [TS]

00:10:55   ground and you know he's like hit 2 30 [TS]

00:10:59   seconds before he was like you know [TS]

00:11:03   that's it will be 30 and I was like I [TS]

00:11:05   will you take 20 and he was like let's [TS]

00:11:06   let's say 27 and I was like why don't we [TS]

00:11:09   do 24 and whoa so so that was not just [TS]

00:11:15   like bad hygiene belly hate behavior [TS]

00:11:17   it was kind of a fuck you to him oh it [TS]

00:11:19   was some kind of anything was I wasn't [TS]

00:11:21   he didn't make an offer a nice [TS]

00:11:24   spit on the ground like it was was just [TS]

00:11:27   at going bad timing necklace that timing [TS]

00:11:29   but boy he really took it that way and [TS]

00:11:32   and I think that that well I'd like to [TS]

00:11:37   say that that was the last time I ever [TS]

00:11:38   spit in front of somebody but then I'm I [TS]

00:11:40   moved to Seattle a couple years later [TS]

00:11:44   and i started drinking lattes [TS]

00:11:46   mm I like creates a lot of mucus yeah [TS]

00:11:49   I'd never had never had a coffee before [TS]

00:11:50   I came here I was 21 I was 22 and never [TS]

00:11:56   had a coffee and then somebody handed me [TS]

00:11:59   like this pint glass full of [TS]

00:12:00   half-and-half had one shot of espresso [TS]

00:12:05   and I was like this is the greatest [TS]

00:12:07   drink of all time right [TS]

00:12:09   why would have I been missing like I [TS]

00:12:11   should have sure this is are you sure [TS]

00:12:12   this is coffee [TS]

00:12:13   it should have been drinking that sanka [TS]

00:12:14   this whole time this stuff tastes [TS]

00:12:16   amazing and that for like nine months i [TS]

00:12:19   drink four pints of half and half a day [TS]

00:12:21   and I was just talking lose everywhere [TS]

00:12:24   until I realized that's not coffee its [TS]

00:12:28   yeah that's something else that's a [TS]

00:12:30   gateway nobody you would love in our [TS]

00:12:32   neighborhood just be walking down the [TS]

00:12:33   street [TS]

00:12:34   sixty-five-year-old Chinese lady comes [TS]

00:12:35   and just doesn't giant snot rocket out [TS]

00:12:37   of nowhere farmers hanky like my kid and [TS]

00:12:40   i'll be walking with his jaw and just [TS]

00:12:42   giant runny like nine inch long a booger [TS]

00:12:46   like hanging out there headed toward the [TS]

00:12:48   sidewalk [TS]

00:12:49   oh no boogers boogers so against boogers [TS]

00:12:52   now now here's the thing I I used to [TS]

00:12:54   think this was just a bit or just a joke [TS]

00:12:57   but people from i would say the UK is a [TS]

00:13:00   from england in particular I mean you [TS]

00:13:02   know there is a very sophisticated level [TS]

00:13:06   of code switching going on on this is [TS]

00:13:09   that the right word but but the thing is [TS]

00:13:11   it you know depending when I've been [TS]

00:13:13   England and you obviously dealt with [TS]

00:13:15   English people now you have them in your [TS]

00:13:16   car little boy and and the thing about [TS]

00:13:18   English people by and large especially [TS]

00:13:20   people from London i'm going to say that [TS]

00:13:22   I have met is that there is a very it is [TS]

00:13:25   almost like North Florida in the sense [TS]

00:13:27   that there is a lot it's encoded in what [TS]

00:13:29   people say and don't say oh yeah where [TS]

00:13:31   there's a high level of a parent [TS]

00:13:33   civility masking a lot of so [TS]

00:13:37   aggression hmm maybe not aggression but [TS]

00:13:40   like I said there's like a million ways [TS]

00:13:42   to say you didn't do that particularly [TS]

00:13:44   well did you know she would never just [TS]

00:13:46   say that was shit or something like that [TS]

00:13:48   but you know it's in fact is that whole [TS]

00:13:51   twitter account book called what's it [TS]

00:13:53   called like it's called something like [TS]

00:13:56   weirdly British problems and all about [TS]

00:13:58   like you know they need to be [TS]

00:14:00   ridiculously civil at all times [TS]

00:14:02   regardless of how you feel so like you [TS]

00:14:03   go into a retail store and you know the [TS]

00:14:06   people who are working in there are [TS]

00:14:07   incredibly civil but not very nice and [TS]

00:14:10   not very helpful you know what I mean [TS]

00:14:12   it's but that's that's what you get used [TS]

00:14:14   to em so I i would i would also [TS]

00:14:17   stipulate that like I'm the fish out of [TS]

00:14:18   water here like I'm the weirdo [TS]

00:14:21   so I'm gonna try to say that the way I [TS]

00:14:22   do things the right way it's just that [TS]

00:14:24   it is jarring when you go somewhere was [TS]

00:14:25   not expecting another one from that that [TS]

00:14:27   father the business guy was that he said [TS]

00:14:30   when you go to Japan for business [TS]

00:14:33   you usually go there for several days [TS]

00:14:34   and it's considered very rude to talk [TS]

00:14:38   about business during the first day [TS]

00:14:40   oh yeah I don't you tell me if you think [TS]

00:14:42   that's true but there's a lot of like [TS]

00:14:44   sitting in like a hot bath together and [TS]

00:14:48   talking about family and stuff or like [TS]

00:14:50   that you would just have a day of golf [TS]

00:14:51   where if you started bringing up the [TS]

00:14:53   deal on the golf course on the first day [TS]

00:14:54   you just look at total rube [TS]

00:14:56   oh yeah well I I feel like that should [TS]

00:14:59   be the way that we do business here you [TS]

00:15:01   know the way to do business not talk [TS]

00:15:03   about business first rule of business [TS]

00:15:05   yeah don't talk about business yeah [TS]

00:15:08   that's pretty good [TS]

00:15:10   first rule of business at the whole butt [TS]

00:15:14   and it's all it's all tied up in class [TS]

00:15:16   to you know i mean if you're from London [TS]

00:15:20   but you were born within earshot of a [TS]

00:15:22   certain set of church bells you have a [TS]

00:15:26   very different take on this then if you [TS]

00:15:29   went to the london school of economics [TS]

00:15:30   so that all of that sort of like [TS]

00:15:35   insincerity what what appears to us to [TS]

00:15:38   be in sincerity but is really deeply [TS]

00:15:40   encoded class behavior [TS]

00:15:45   i mean i-i can't make sense of it all [TS]

00:15:47   and i have i have close enough friends [TS]

00:15:49   in the UK that I have been [TS]

00:15:51   pop this up in you know sitting around [TS]

00:15:54   the dinner table at night like hey [TS]

00:15:56   something too curious when you say this [TS]

00:15:59   it appears to mean the opposite and they [TS]

00:16:04   kind of look at each other and go what [TS]

00:16:07   do you mean right in that they see [TS]

00:16:09   something like you say like hey do you [TS]

00:16:11   want to go sleep in a cabin for a week [TS]

00:16:13   and they say like oh that would be [TS]

00:16:14   lovely [TS]

00:16:15   yeah right which-- which means no [TS]

00:16:17   fucking way do I want to sleep in the [TS]

00:16:18   cabin [TS]

00:16:18   yea and all that stuff and you know [TS]

00:16:20   they're kind of their hearing it for the [TS]

00:16:22   first time it's really like a hamburger [TS]

00:16:23   hamburger bang bang yeah uh where it had [TS]

00:16:27   never occurred to them that the actual [TS]

00:16:29   words they were using and in some ways [TS]

00:16:33   the tone didn't line up with the meaning [TS]

00:16:36   and so it's like so deeply ingrained [TS]

00:16:39   right and I'm you know I'm sure it in [TS]

00:16:43   the u.s. there are equivalent like [TS]

00:16:48   incongruity these but but because of our [TS]

00:16:52   you know because of our Wild West [TS]

00:16:54   heritage because of andrew jackson we [TS]

00:16:57   really tell it like it is in this [TS]

00:16:59   country as long as what it is is a big [TS]

00:17:04   fucking snow job that's trying to get [TS]

00:17:07   you trying to get your wallet as long as [TS]

00:17:09   as long as that's what it is that we [TS]

00:17:11   tell it like that [TS]

00:17:12   let's talk about something about this [TS]

00:17:14   the other day that especially it feels [TS]

00:17:17   like in the south [TS]

00:17:18   maybe in the Midwest there's def always [TS]

00:17:21   feel like there's a thing [TS]

00:17:23   not always but I frequently feel like [TS]

00:17:25   that is that can be difficult to do [TS]

00:17:29   without seeming rude that there is a [TS]

00:17:30   certain kind of accepted like let's week [TS]

00:17:34   we should ask about each other's [TS]

00:17:35   families [TS]

00:17:36   mm maybe you might even like ask it's [TS]

00:17:38   pretty common ones place to ask how's [TS]

00:17:39   your health like there's all these kinds [TS]

00:17:41   of things you ask that kind of create [TS]

00:17:44   the environment for having a more [TS]

00:17:46   intimate conversation when you first [TS]

00:17:48   talked about these things and that that [TS]

00:17:49   that is part of the standard opening [TS]

00:17:51   gambit and a lot of conversations is you [TS]

00:17:54   know let's let's talk about these kind [TS]

00:17:55   of general things before we talk about [TS]

00:17:56   these specific things well did you read [TS]

00:17:58   that are that there was an editorial in [TS]

00:18:01   the [TS]

00:18:02   to have one of the newspapers i'm not [TS]

00:18:04   going to say was the new york times it [TS]

00:18:05   was probably i don't know one of those [TS]

00:18:07   there's only three newspapers anymore [TS]

00:18:10   mm you got a new at that new york times [TS]

00:18:12   the Atlantic and the other one [TS]

00:18:13   yeah the New York Times The Washington [TS]

00:18:16   Times great newspaper at that sounds [TS]

00:18:19   like one of those made-up papers was [TS]

00:18:21   really just a blog the washington times [TS]

00:18:23   it was for many years owned by some [TS]

00:18:25   young moon [TS]

00:18:26   oh right right who bought a newspaper [TS]

00:18:29   and and you know try to establish it as [TS]

00:18:31   a serious journalistic enterprise that [TS]

00:18:33   just happened to also be a mouthpiece [TS]

00:18:37   now that church of unification is not [TS]

00:18:40   yeah the Church of a vm Unification [TS]

00:18:44   Church I guess I but this editorial was [TS]

00:18:48   a review somewhat a review of george [TS]

00:18:52   herbert walker bush's new autobiography [TS]

00:18:56   yes not great timing for junior not [TS]

00:18:59   great timing for junior where the the [TS]

00:19:03   the Potter George sorry national junior [TS]

00:19:06   I should see what would he betray what [TS]

00:19:08   we called Jeb like his job is yeah [TS]

00:19:11   anyway John John John Walker Bush yeah [TS]

00:19:15   but Bush Senior like rips bush like the [TS]

00:19:24   George Walker Bush g-dub who ripped him [TS]

00:19:29   a new one says what we've all been [TS]

00:19:31   thinking like why did you seed so much [TS]

00:19:34   power to cheney he's a madman Rumsfeld [TS]

00:19:36   is how could she not [TS]

00:19:37   how could you be in the room with Donald [TS]

00:19:39   Rumsfeld and be comfortable with that [TS]

00:19:40   yeah right right well and the thing is I [TS]

00:19:42   mean Rumsfeld and and george herbert [TS]

00:19:45   walker bush had decades of history [TS]

00:19:47   together they ran against each other for [TS]

00:19:50   the Republican presidential primary and [TS]

00:19:53   what's 80-71 she'll run for president [TS]

00:19:57   well he was considered a real comer like [TS]

00:20:00   he'd been part of the Nixon White House [TS]

00:20:02   he was he [TS]

00:20:03   Rumsfeld Rumsfeld believes i think this [TS]

00:20:07   is part of rum sold problems Feld's [TS]

00:20:09   problem and part of the reason that he [TS]

00:20:10   belongs in the bottom of the salt mine [TS]

00:20:12   is that he believes that he should have [TS]

00:20:16   been president he thinks of himself that [TS]

00:20:18   way and there's enough history he has [TS]

00:20:22   enough he has actually a claim to [TS]

00:20:25   believe that that was plausible [TS]

00:20:27   impossible [TS]

00:20:28   ok was the young upstart and he oh he [TS]

00:20:31   went after george herbert walker bush in [TS]

00:20:35   the seventies really denigrating him and [TS]

00:20:39   so those two guys and that's when he was [TS]

00:20:41   in the CIA [TS]

00:20:42   well when I think he went after him even [TS]

00:20:44   before he got a point into the CIA but [TS]

00:20:46   like there was a lot of rivalry and [TS]

00:20:48   there's a sheet which I'm sorry shitty [TS]

00:20:50   to each other most of that shit coming [TS]

00:20:52   from Rumsfeld who was the he's very [TS]

00:20:55   Trump like Rumsfeld he is but he also I [TS]

00:20:59   remember like I would I would watch him [TS]

00:21:01   speak and I would always think even is [TS]

00:21:02   in his famous known and unknown the one [TS]

00:21:06   mostafa skating paragraphs in english [TS]

00:21:08   language history but you really [TS]

00:21:09   appreciate the one hand the guy is super [TS]

00:21:11   articulate and on message whether or not [TS]

00:21:13   you agree with him he's great staying on [TS]

00:21:14   message and he really has that vibe he [TS]

00:21:17   looks like a composite drawing of like a [TS]

00:21:20   bunch of successful powerful people he [TS]

00:21:23   looks like like if it's like Teddy [TS]

00:21:25   Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson had a love [TS]

00:21:27   baby and he just has that like dad or [TS]

00:21:29   grandpa [TS]

00:21:30   viper-like even if you think what he's [TS]

00:21:31   saying is bullshit he seems really he's [TS]

00:21:34   really committed and smart [TS]

00:21:36   yeah which is a dangerous thing for men [TS]

00:21:38   like him I always felt like his his back [TS]

00:21:41   teeth were all made of wood [TS]

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00:23:10   supporting Roderick online writing they [TS]

00:23:12   were held together with like like bands [TS]

00:23:15   of tithing and maybe maybe that annoy [TS]

00:23:17   him a little bit me I like that he was [TS]

00:23:19   in his mouth all the time [TS]

00:23:20   softwood back there yeah so so the bush [TS]

00:23:25   senior is saying all this stuff in his [TS]

00:23:27   autobiography and somebody goes to Bush [TS]

00:23:33   jr. for comment and both juniors like [TS]

00:23:35   well he never said any of that in the [TS]

00:23:39   eight years that I was president or the [TS]

00:23:42   two years i was running for president [TS]

00:23:44   beforehand never mentioned it before and [TS]

00:23:48   I disagree with him i was the president [TS]

00:23:49   I was the decider [TS]

00:23:50   I didn't Cheney didn't get to do just [TS]

00:23:53   what he wanted [TS]

00:23:54   I was the boss who you know meanwhile [TS]

00:23:57   Cheney's like got a seven sided [TS]

00:24:01   lighthouse made of dreams [TS]

00:24:02   that's surrounded by machine-gun nests [TS]

00:24:05   and the wooden you cannot write a [TS]

00:24:08   creepier supervillain any oh my god I [TS]

00:24:11   remember when he had the Naval [TS]

00:24:13   Observatory available inventory taking [TS]

00:24:15   off google maps Yeah Yeah blurred out [TS]

00:24:17   yeah because yeah god forbid that they [TS]

00:24:19   would we would see his hedges or [TS]

00:24:21   something with that he didn't understand [TS]

00:24:23   how it worked right is where his [TS]

00:24:25   man-sized safe google earth takes a [TS]

00:24:28   picture every six months and puts it up [TS]

00:24:30   there huh [TS]

00:24:31   and he thinks that you know they're [TS]

00:24:32   gonna catch him in the gardener's [TS]

00:24:35   uh-huh wearing flip-flops or something [TS]

00:24:37   but and I think the this article that I [TS]

00:24:40   read was written by marie no doubt who's [TS]

00:24:42   obviously like been a great critic a [TS]

00:24:45   great media critic for many years but [TS]

00:24:47   she was like this wasp family has didn't [TS]

00:24:55   talk about this stuff at Christmas like [TS]

00:25:00   your your father was president [TS]

00:25:04   your son is president now and you're not [TS]

00:25:07   going to bring up the fact that that you [TS]

00:25:11   hate you think that these people are our [TS]

00:25:14   bad choice like you both the father and [TS]

00:25:17   the son went to war with the same [TS]

00:25:19   middle-eastern dictator and made never [TS]

00:25:22   discussed it right and and and that is [TS]

00:25:27   like such a distinctively wasp a [TS]

00:25:31   methodology right that just like [TS]

00:25:33   Christmas can be stressful Christmas [TS]

00:25:36   you're absolutely right [TS]

00:25:37   you know sometimes you just want to play [TS]

00:25:38   uno or watched you know the price is [TS]

00:25:41   right because there are things there are [TS]

00:25:43   so many elephants in the room that you [TS]

00:25:45   really need a card game to keep it all [TS]

00:25:46   straight [TS]

00:25:47   it's true it's just that it it really [TS]

00:25:50   really drove home really put an [TS]

00:25:55   exclamation point on the fact that the [TS]

00:25:58   Bush family should never have been in [TS]

00:26:02   power in America they are bad people and [TS]

00:26:08   it was a bad top it was a bad decision [TS]

00:26:10   that we made repeatedly for reasons I [TS]

00:26:13   cannot and I don't think history will [TS]

00:26:15   ever be able to fully explain but like [TS]

00:26:17   unsuited to rule x by any measure except [TS]

00:26:23   that they are aristocratic and George [TS]

00:26:28   Herbert George what Herbert Walker Bush [TS]

00:26:30   at least was like patriarchal in the old [TS]

00:26:34   mode so he had a sense of this is 41 [TS]

00:26:38   yeah he had a sense of honor and duty [TS]

00:26:40   and wasn't going to say a bad thing [TS]

00:26:42   about a woman and wasn't gonna you know [TS]

00:26:45   wouldn't i wouldn't do a stock deal [TS]

00:26:49   where the SEC didn't sign off on it at [TS]

00:26:52   least you know but then his son was just [TS]

00:26:54   a like a brat and a and a shit just a [TS]

00:26:59   shit there's no other way you can [TS]

00:27:00   describe George Walker Bush GW Bush then [TS]

00:27:03   that he's a shit he's just a shit and he [TS]

00:27:06   was president for eight years and it's [TS]

00:27:10   insane [TS]

00:27:11   it still is insane I'm so I am talking [TS]

00:27:14   with my teeth bared right down here and [TS]

00:27:16   tell you so committed I am so mad that [TS]

00:27:19   he was ever president and this is a non [TS]

00:27:22   partisan issue it is not that he is a [TS]

00:27:25   conservative Republican because I don't [TS]

00:27:27   even think he is one [TS]

00:27:28   well it's basically it's one thing to be [TS]

00:27:30   crap it's one thing to say I didn't [TS]

00:27:32   enjoy the roast beef tonight and it's [TS]

00:27:33   another thing to say like I'm pretty [TS]

00:27:34   sure they deliberately tried to poison [TS]

00:27:36   us and like this there's this [TS]

00:27:37   conversation like from the time Obama [TS]

00:27:39   came in there's been this this feeling [TS]

00:27:41   of like let's not rock the boat but it [TS]

00:27:42   is kind of strange that there has not [TS]

00:27:44   been quite the public explosion of [TS]

00:27:47   outrage over what a shitshow that whole [TS]

00:27:48   thing [TS]

00:27:49   oh my god i want these people held [TS]

00:27:51   accountable I want them to go into a [TS]

00:27:53   shipping container in the desert that I [TS]

00:27:55   have constructed and I want to feed them [TS]

00:27:57   that's right you had a whole idea for [TS]

00:27:59   jenny didn't want to feed them [TS]

00:28:00   psychedelic drugs in an environment [TS]

00:28:02   where i can control Nassau type [TS]

00:28:05   situation a long-term long con long [TS]

00:28:08   mindfuck in mind for I forgot about this [TS]

00:28:10   he did that was your whole idea for the [TS]

00:28:12   former vice president I still dream of [TS]

00:28:14   it and the thing is I don't want I want [TS]

00:28:15   to extend the franchise all the way to [TS]

00:28:18   lawrence eagle burger [TS]

00:28:20   mmm i want them all i want them all go I [TS]

00:28:24   want every neocon and I was just out the [TS]

00:28:28   thing is it is a long time i will take [TS]

00:28:30   them over the course of months and years [TS]

00:28:33   for the gas lighting to really work it's [TS]

00:28:35   gonna it's gonna have to be a very very [TS]

00:28:37   very long time it's not something we're [TS]

00:28:38   gonna full ad by turn the lights off [TS]

00:28:40   sometimes we're talking about you're [TS]

00:28:42   talking about like maybe you get him a [TS]

00:28:43   little healthy get him get him on a diet [TS]

00:28:45   game using a treadmill but like you just [TS]

00:28:47   a little bit my fucking time over like [TS]

00:28:49   to 35 years [TS]

00:28:51   the problem is that this challenge the [TS]

00:28:52   challenge for me like I feel like Lauren [TS]

00:28:54   seagull burger will be easy to grab [TS]

00:28:57   like you just say you know you're gonna [TS]

00:28:59   get a knock on the door my friend hit [TS]

00:29:01   the University of New Hampshire is [TS]

00:29:04   offering $15,000 to talk about a riad [TS]

00:29:08   like the politics current politics in [TS]

00:29:11   Riyadh will you come in lawrenceville [TS]

00:29:12   brother be like absolutely and then he [TS]

00:29:15   just shows up and he opens the door to [TS]

00:29:17   the conference room and there's nobody [TS]

00:29:18   there and then somebody put a bag over [TS]

00:29:20   his head and all of us up please stop [TS]

00:29:22   really means in a shipping container in [TS]

00:29:25   the desert truly truly extraordinary [TS]

00:29:27   rendition but Cheney has already thought [TS]

00:29:31   of that right [TS]

00:29:33   Cheney has always he's already prepared [TS]

00:29:36   he knows no one's ever gonna put a bag [TS]

00:29:39   over Cheney's head because he's fuckin [TS]

00:29:42   penguin right is he's thought of that [TS]

00:29:46   already and Rumsfeld to write they both [TS]

00:29:49   they they check their six they've got a [TS]

00:29:53   man station that they're six so how the [TS]

00:29:57   fuck do you get these guys it in the [TS]

00:30:00   thing is you know there's this there's [TS]

00:30:01   the fight club thing where they go to [TS]

00:30:04   the bathroom there at a Rotary Club [TS]

00:30:06   meeting or whatever they go to the [TS]

00:30:07   bathroom and then all of a sudden Brad [TS]

00:30:09   Pitt is there and they threaten to cut [TS]

00:30:12   off his balls but that's not going to [TS]

00:30:14   work for these guys either the bathroom [TS]

00:30:16   is secured before they go in [TS]

00:30:18   so what do you do what do you do there's [TS]

00:30:20   wood Cheney I feel like he's out he's [TS]

00:30:23   doing he's like--he's fly fishing right [TS]

00:30:27   he's fly fishing at the at the Tony [TS]

00:30:30   Stark heart he be alive at this place he [TS]

00:30:32   and Scalia are like wearing hip waders [TS]

00:30:35   and they're in some Montana stream this [TS]

00:30:39   the hills are seeing shooting immigrants [TS]

00:30:41   for skeet [TS]

00:30:43   Oh are we here the hills are full of [TS]

00:30:46   snipers right because Scalia and cheney [TS]

00:30:49   aren't going to go just take a truck out [TS]

00:30:51   and find a river right it's going to be [TS]

00:30:53   so it's going to be completely [TS]

00:30:55   parameterize do but I've been waiting in [TS]

00:30:59   the river on here right for weeks your [TS]

00:31:03   black ops everywhere every summer I just [TS]

00:31:06   pick a different River I just [TS]

00:31:08   get my snorkel gear on him in the river [TS]

00:31:11   on utility like a reed with a lily pad [TS]

00:31:12   that's exactly right until that year [TS]

00:31:15   when they picked the wrong river i might [TS]

00:31:23   be misremembering this but I I feel like [TS]

00:31:26   in the last days of the what would that [TS]

00:31:30   be 1992 campaign I it got really really [TS]

00:31:35   ugly because I think I feel like I [TS]

00:31:37   remember it started to really look like [TS]

00:31:39   Clinton had a lock on it and do you [TS]

00:31:41   remember what I george HW bush like [TS]

00:31:45   remember how he got because he had [TS]

00:31:47   always been I you know see what about [TS]

00:31:49   the guy get the feeling he's probably a [TS]

00:31:50   gentleman like you would meet george HW [TS]

00:31:51   bush and babies i bet he's a super [TS]

00:31:54   smarter than he seems [TS]

00:31:56   I bet he's not as but like a lot of [TS]

00:31:57   people were president like they're like [TS]

00:31:59   really good people people but like you [TS]

00:32:00   need to like a whistle-stop train thing [TS]

00:32:03   where he was he was just a public dick [TS]

00:32:05   for like three weeks before the campaign [TS]

00:32:07   before the election but you and the [TS]

00:32:10   thing is it was like you could watch him [TS]

00:32:11   and it was it was almost like a faceoff [TS]

00:32:14   where Nicholas Cage is supposed to be [TS]

00:32:16   John Travolta you can see and when I [TS]

00:32:18   gotta kill people and act like a dick [TS]

00:32:20   are this is really hard to do you can [TS]

00:32:22   see like he's like you went to Yale ease [TS]

00:32:24   and gentlemen like he does not want to [TS]

00:32:25   be behaving this way but i'm sure all [TS]

00:32:27   these handlers were saying look man you [TS]

00:32:29   got to take off the gloves or you're [TS]

00:32:30   gonna have to move out [TS]

00:32:31   mm-hmm it was hard to watch I felt I I [TS]

00:32:34   felt bad for the guy even as I was like [TS]

00:32:36   disgusted by it [TS]

00:32:38   well so i ran for very off-brand my [TS]

00:32:41   uncle went to college with Poppy Bush [TS]

00:32:46   they were in college at the same time [TS]

00:32:48   and the new one another [TS]

00:32:49   this is yell yeah and you know my uncle [TS]

00:32:53   was tapped for skull and bones and said [TS]

00:32:55   no oh boy and not to not to out uncle [TS]

00:33:05   jack but he did not like poppy bush in [TS]

00:33:12   college for all the reasons that we [TS]

00:33:15   don't like him now he was a snob [TS]

00:33:19   he was a prick [TS]

00:33:22   and it was exactly the preppy a like [TS]

00:33:30   class-conscious rich kid that you would [TS]

00:33:37   imagine accept this was 1948 well so [TS]

00:33:42   wait now wasn't he used in World War two [TS]

00:33:45   so I went to college GI Bill he went [TS]

00:33:46   after yeah right they all did [TS]

00:33:48   ok that particular generate probably [TS]

00:33:50   didn't need the GI bill didn't need the [TS]

00:33:52   GI Bill he was going to yell anyway but [TS]

00:33:55   you know and this was and when I think [TS]

00:33:57   back to that particular time [TS]

00:34:00   4648 you know that class of 50 let's say [TS]

00:34:04   there were some people in that class who [TS]

00:34:09   had just turned 18 and we're going to [TS]

00:34:14   college and the war was over and then [TS]

00:34:17   there were other people in that class [TS]

00:34:18   who were 24 years old had become a cat [TS]

00:34:22   you know like a like a first lieutenant [TS]

00:34:25   in the Navy and had just had won the [TS]

00:34:29   Distinguished Flying Cross and been shot [TS]

00:34:31   down over to record or Corregidor sorry [TS]

00:34:36   to record or that's a kind of spice that [TS]

00:34:39   you put in your not rank rookie mistake [TS]

00:34:42   corregidor and uh and so you're sitting [TS]

00:34:46   in class and that guy's a freshman too [TS]

00:34:49   he is wearing you know he he he [TS]

00:34:54   the the French government gave him the [TS]

00:34:55   legion of honor but he's like taking the [TS]

00:34:58   same freshman philosophy classes you who [TS]

00:35:01   just graduated from high school that had [TS]

00:35:02   to be a crazy time [TS]

00:35:04   mhm that had to be a weird time to [TS]

00:35:05   pledge a fraternity right like well [TS]

00:35:08   let's see we could take you or we could [TS]

00:35:10   take this guy that the president of [TS]

00:35:12   Delta Kappa Epsilon graduated as a [TS]

00:35:15   member of phi beta kappa 1948 with be a [TS]

00:35:17   BA in economics phi beta kappa so that's [TS]

00:35:20   it so he was you know he got good grades [TS]

00:35:22   he was on an accelerated program to [TS]

00:35:25   graduate in two and a half years rather [TS]

00:35:26   than four but as you know the rich [TS]

00:35:29   people can pay for anything they can pay [TS]

00:35:33   linkage on phi beta kappa or make a lot [TS]

00:35:35   of friends this week [TS]

00:35:36   you know your professors not going to [TS]

00:35:38   give you a bad grade if you're if you're [TS]

00:35:40   you know if your pad in their nest [TS]

00:35:41   everybody's on the take em at Yale I can [TS]

00:35:48   break you think so [TS]

00:35:50   oh yeah that's not a miracle is a [TS]

00:35:52   corrupt organization library by their [TS]

00:35:55   very nature the Ivy League's allow you [TS]

00:35:59   know they let in that certain like [TS]

00:36:02   fifteen percent of just legacy kids and [TS]

00:36:06   that should focus just buy him in the [TS]

00:36:08   thing is that that's true i think of [TS]

00:36:09   most colleges [TS]

00:36:11   yeah you know and so if you haven't I [TS]

00:36:14   think our bodies win [TS]

00:36:15   no no I mean I I try to imagine hodgman [TS]

00:36:18   and Colton at their respective high [TS]

00:36:20   schools uh huh and now they were both [TS]

00:36:23   they were both nerds they got good [TS]

00:36:25   grades [TS]

00:36:26   uh-huh Colton is a legacy his father [TS]

00:36:30   went to Yale and his grandfather I [TS]

00:36:32   didn't know that but he also grew up in [TS]

00:36:34   a really weird small small Connecticut [TS]

00:36:38   town where with a high school graduating [TS]

00:36:41   class of like 40 or something and so in [TS]

00:36:45   a situation like that like i was talking [TS]

00:36:47   to argument about this the other day [TS]

00:36:48   he's like the problem is if your kids [TS]

00:36:50   want to go to an Ivy League school and [TS]

00:36:51   they live in New York you can pretty [TS]

00:36:53   much say forget it [TS]

00:36:55   unless you're rich because those schools [TS]

00:36:58   fill the fill those slots based on a [TS]

00:37:01   kind of you know we need one [TS]

00:37:06   we need one Athabascan and we need [TS]

00:37:10   somebody from New Mexico and we have [TS]

00:37:14   17,000 applications from park slope [TS]

00:37:18   brooklyn and so it's the brooklyn people [TS]

00:37:23   that aren't going to have a chance at if [TS]

00:37:25   you are from a small town somewhere if [TS]

00:37:28   you're the only the only person in your [TS]

00:37:30   high school class you have a much better [TS]

00:37:31   chance because you'll fulfill their you [TS]

00:37:34   know their demographic spread so i think [TS]

00:37:38   i think both those guys you know earned [TS]

00:37:41   that but how do you you know how do you [TS]

00:37:45   know really when I when I wanted to go [TS]

00:37:48   to Yale which I desperately [TS]

00:37:49   did desperately did that the school you [TS]

00:37:52   most want to go to it was the only [TS]

00:37:54   college that I wanted to go to and when [TS]

00:37:56   i graduated from high school I had not [TS]

00:37:58   applied to any colleges because the only [TS]

00:38:02   college I wanted to go to Yale and I [TS]

00:38:03   knew I couldn't get in so why would I [TS]

00:38:06   was going to go to the University of [TS]

00:38:07   Pennsylvania forget about its safety [TS]

00:38:10   school but no I was gonna go to [TS]

00:38:13   Middlebury around everywhere and just [TS]

00:38:16   fucking play What's Wrong around i'm not [TS]

00:38:18   i'm not a safety school guy i'm not [TS]

00:38:21   gonna go to rutgers hear it for great [TS]

00:38:24   things [TS]

00:38:24   yeah I settle for second best so [TS]

00:38:26   everybody knew you're going places John [TS]

00:38:27   not everybody not to say that you know [TS]

00:38:30   you didn't graduate literally last in [TS]

00:38:32   your class in high school but you know [TS]

00:38:33   you might be one of those uh you know [TS]

00:38:35   what three to five percent let's just [TS]

00:38:37   give the kid a chance we'll bring them [TS]

00:38:38   into Yale this is the thing i thought [TS]

00:38:40   what when you're you really want a [TS]

00:38:42   demographic spread ya got everything [TS]

00:38:44   lined up every once in awhile auto pick [TS]

00:38:46   a guy that not only graduated last in [TS]

00:38:49   his class but also didn't apply [TS]

00:38:50   yeah oh that's lighter school right you [TS]

00:38:53   didn't come to give you the tap this [TS]

00:38:54   yeah come on over this way that's your [TS]

00:38:56   demographic spread I mean it's like it's [TS]

00:38:58   like when I when I got involved here in [TS]

00:39:00   local politics recently you might have [TS]

00:39:02   heard of it [TS]

00:39:02   how that go you know it was it was a [TS]

00:39:05   learning experience learning space and [TS]

00:39:07   one of the things that I learned was [TS]

00:39:09   people of people from a great wide swath [TS]

00:39:13   of like that the great demographic swath [TS]

00:39:16   if they're if they're all lawyers [TS]

00:39:19   they're all they all think like a lawyer [TS]

00:39:23   first [TS]

00:39:24   like if you go to law school and become [TS]

00:39:25   a lawyer in our successful lawyer you [TS]

00:39:27   think like a lawyer before you think [TS]

00:39:29   like anything else and so you can fill a [TS]

00:39:31   room full of lawyers from around the [TS]

00:39:32   world but you're just really going to [TS]

00:39:34   have one type of person which is lawyer [TS]

00:39:36   and so you you know when you're looking [TS]

00:39:41   at a at us at at a spread of ideas or [TS]

00:39:44   like true sort of interesting like bell [TS]

00:39:51   curve of people you should be looking [TS]

00:39:54   out out at the fringes in three [TS]

00:39:57   dimensions but yelled and yelled just [TS]

00:40:01   wasn't wise enough maybe [TS]

00:40:03   they didn't have the resources just to [TS]

00:40:05   scour every high school maybe it was a [TS]

00:40:07   rebuilding year I know maybe you know [TS]

00:40:10   what maybe maybe they just were not on [TS]

00:40:12   their game and you know bad on them [TS]

00:40:14   yeah they let me to not to not know that [TS]

00:40:15   you were out there should be there [TS]

00:40:17   whether you knew it or they know it or [TS]

00:40:18   not well and you know what here I blame [TS]

00:40:20   my uncle Jack because he's the fucking [TS]

00:40:23   Yale legacy his his daughters went to [TS]

00:40:27   Yale both my cousins they all looking [TS]

00:40:31   out for themselves looking out for each [TS]

00:40:33   other [TS]

00:40:33   typical but when it was time for Uncle [TS]

00:40:35   Jack to call up the local Yale [TS]

00:40:38   representative whom I knew it was a [TS]

00:40:42   shepherd elys dad Bobby Lee was the gale [TS]

00:40:46   guy who interviewed the kids in [TS]

00:40:48   Anchorage who were going to Yale Bob [TS]

00:40:49   fucking ely Bobby Lee who incidentally [TS]

00:40:53   got in trouble with the SEC himself [TS]

00:40:55   later but that's it prevents difference [TS]

00:40:57   to him Bobby Lee but the thing is they [TS]

00:40:59   were all contemptuously even my own [TS]

00:41:01   people [TS]

00:41:02   none of them understood me Bobby Lee [TS]

00:41:04   especially wooden test [TS]

00:41:06   sheffer Shepherd went to the fucking [TS]

00:41:09   international school in Switzerland [TS]

00:41:10   because he couldn't even get into a [TS]

00:41:12   fucking american college but then he [TS]

00:41:13   went to university of vermont later [TS]

00:41:15   another safety school [TS]

00:41:16   yeah so I feel like everybody let me [TS]

00:41:19   down my whole plan let me down now what [TS]

00:41:22   a disappointment John yeah I think he [TS]

00:41:24   find your heart to forgive everyone for [TS]

00:41:26   obviously not i'm now I'm trying with my [TS]

00:41:28   teeth bared are so committed [TS]

00:41:30   I'm sure Uncle Jack and Bobby Lee SAT [TS]

00:41:31   around and they were like are there any [TS]

00:41:32   kids and in Anchorage that should that [TS]

00:41:35   just should go to Yale and they looked [TS]

00:41:39   at each other and they knew but didn't [TS]

00:41:41   even need to be said [TS]

00:41:42   yeah and then they were then check the [TS]

00:41:44   box know em now what about your dad [TS]

00:41:47   what was his feeling on this is he [TS]

00:41:49   always knew you were destined for great [TS]

00:41:50   things right [TS]

00:41:51   yeah well so my dad was up to mines like [TS]

00:41:55   like his son right always of two minds [TS]

00:41:59   and one of them was there's nothing he [TS]

00:42:01   hated worse than a preppy snob [TS]

00:42:03   son-of-a-bitch your dad was always a man [TS]

00:42:06   of the people he was standing there in [TS]

00:42:07   in the trenches with the unions he was [TS]

00:42:09   always pulling for the little guy that's [TS]

00:42:10   right and he didn't like a preppy snob [TS]

00:42:12   son-of-a-bitch [TS]

00:42:13   he always told the story he was down in [TS]

00:42:15   Palm Springs [TS]

00:42:16   at a party and George where hauser was [TS]

00:42:18   there and the you know the bones were [TS]

00:42:21   there and that it was all the old guard [TS]

00:42:24   and stand around cocktail party somebody [TS]

00:42:27   walks over and goes hey David nice to [TS]

00:42:30   see how the Communist Party I'm I told [TS]

00:42:33   that story before I think so i hear it [TS]

00:42:35   again [TS]

00:42:35   yeah it's a great story hows it how's it [TS]

00:42:38   going how's the Communist Party David [TS]

00:42:39   all man he was mad he was mad because [TS]

00:42:41   you know little reductive a little bit [TS]

00:42:45   of this little bit of a slur so so dad [TS]

00:42:49   didn't like a preppy son-of-a-bitch but [TS]

00:42:51   the best way to deal with them is to get [TS]

00:42:53   into their club and then not be one of [TS]

00:42:57   them move to get tapped for skull and [TS]

00:42:59   bones and not do it and say no say no [TS]

00:43:02   because you're not a ceiling effect that [TS]

00:43:03   kind of change you got to get inside you [TS]

00:43:05   get to the server and cracked the [TS]

00:43:06   encryption that's right so you know so [TS]

00:43:08   dad obviously wanted wanted me to but [TS]

00:43:12   but but that this is the thing they all [TS]

00:43:14   wanted me to get in there on on merit [TS]

00:43:16   and say things a little on the nose [TS]

00:43:18   well and they just have such a narrow [TS]

00:43:20   definition of Merit to grades [TS]

00:43:24   yeah tests great havior you know and and [TS]

00:43:28   not looking at the bigger picture which [TS]

00:43:30   is like light in the eyes which is [TS]

00:43:32   fucking rainbow double rates of triple [TS]

00:43:35   rainbow triple rainbow eyes and and [TS]

00:43:36   again this gets us back to the problem [TS]

00:43:39   it's like the gamer back to the problem [TS]

00:43:40   with you being a retired general or [TS]

00:43:42   retired director of the CIA [TS]

00:43:44   it's like they don't need another foot [TS]

00:43:46   soldier they need somebody to reform the [TS]

00:43:49   organization from the inside out in the [TS]

00:43:51   top down and in really in every [TS]

00:43:52   conceivable direction you have the [TS]

00:43:54   vision for that they don't they don't [TS]

00:43:55   need another person sitting there like [TS]

00:43:57   spying on somebody in east germany they [TS]

00:43:58   need somebody setting everybody straight [TS]

00:44:00   so this is something I look I realized [TS]

00:44:02   last night because I went to this new [TS]

00:44:04   James Bond movie [TS]

00:44:05   oh dear and you know the nadir of James [TS]

00:44:10   Bond movies was Skyfall what the fuck [TS]

00:44:15   are you saying [TS]

00:44:16   worst James Bond movie by far even be [TS]

00:44:18   thinking I think we have a bad [TS]

00:44:19   connection even the worst Roger Moore [TS]

00:44:22   even George Scott even the Georgia [TS]

00:44:25   laughing me you're so fucking high sky [TS]

00:44:28   falls great know it's awful it's too [TS]

00:44:31   it's truly terrible against the hoping [TS]

00:44:34   it's an abortion but we take his teeth [TS]

00:44:37   out i was very freaky doesn't belong in [TS]

00:44:40   a James Bond movie right [TS]

00:44:42   in any case so i go to the new one and [TS]

00:44:44   I'm like alright Skyfall was the bottom [TS]

00:44:46   and now this can't be worse so it has to [TS]

00:44:50   either be like on a plane with it or up [TS]

00:44:54   or an improvement but i'm going to go [TS]

00:44:55   into this assuming this is going to be [TS]

00:44:57   terrible and then the movie unfolds and [TS]

00:45:01   it is better than Skyfall yeah but still [TS]

00:45:06   like just just dull i mean i'm in a [TS]

00:45:10   James Bond movie and I'm i'm looking at [TS]

00:45:12   my watch it was good you know what that [TS]

00:45:14   now because just like really you guys [TS]

00:45:17   and then I realized what my one of my [TS]

00:45:20   colleagues are ready for this yeah this [TS]

00:45:23   is just this was like a fucking bell [TS]

00:45:25   going off and you have a lot of time to [TS]

00:45:26   think about your future but because i'm [TS]

00:45:28   sitting in a movie and I'm like what am [TS]

00:45:29   I going to think about clearly not the [TS]

00:45:30   plot of this movie and then I realized I [TS]

00:45:34   am I was put on this planet to be a [TS]

00:45:38   script doctor for action movies [TS]

00:45:41   see I don't want to script doctor a [TS]

00:45:43   comedy because when I want a comedy when [TS]

00:45:47   a good comedy movie i can i can sit in a [TS]

00:45:49   movie that's a bad comedy and go oh my [TS]

00:45:51   god this was fucking terrible hard to [TS]

00:45:53   fix the comedy if it doesn't have good [TS]

00:45:55   those yeah exactly and but the end and [TS]

00:45:58   the difference is when a good comedy is [TS]

00:46:00   happening you know you're watching a [TS]

00:46:03   movie you don't even notice and I'm just [TS]

00:46:05   swept up just like anybody I'm I'm i [TS]

00:46:08   can't believe it's happening either you [TS]

00:46:11   know I don't see where the the seams are [TS]

00:46:14   I go oh my god this is fucking fantastic [TS]

00:46:17   did you see that movie Spy yeah watch [TS]

00:46:20   the first half of it [TS]

00:46:21   yeah I've heard it gets better as you [TS]

00:46:22   watching it it doesn't get better i love [TS]

00:46:24   that lady and she she made better [TS]

00:46:26   choices I think she's one McCarthy is [TS]

00:46:28   one of the comic geniuses alright i'm [TS]

00:46:29   melissa mccarthy just skills that movie [TS]

00:46:31   she's hilarious throughout the thing and [TS]

00:46:33   I walked into that with my nose already [TS]

00:46:34   crinkled up like I was [TS]

00:46:36   she isn't entirely accurate little it's [TS]

00:46:38   a little bit like will ferrell or or uh [TS]

00:46:41   Eric Wareheim were like there are [TS]

00:46:44   certain people who are just fucking [TS]

00:46:45   funny like Eric Wareheim in that aziz [TS]

00:46:47   ansari show like just just when he's on [TS]

00:46:49   screen just went to show his face I [TS]

00:46:51   start laughing welfare I just start [TS]

00:46:53   laughing look are they just started [TS]

00:46:54   because they're just basically funny [TS]

00:46:56   they have an energy certain people have [TS]

00:46:57   an energy that they can make even the [TS]

00:46:59   shittiest thing super funny just by [TS]

00:47:01   standing there [TS]

00:47:02   yeah and I'm not diminish her that's not [TS]

00:47:03   to diminish our talents which are many [TS]

00:47:05   but she is just basically funny so I [TS]

00:47:07   hope she chooses things that are worthy [TS]

00:47:10   of her funniness yeah well you know [TS]

00:47:12   that's the problem with funny like John [TS]

00:47:13   Belushi he made a lot of terrible movies [TS]

00:47:17   1941 did you see that the wedding movie [TS]

00:47:19   with the kristen wiig just here in that [TS]

00:47:21   with all your eyes minutes [TS]

00:47:23   yeah i did see if I was utterly utterly [TS]

00:47:25   unprepared for how funny that movie was [TS]

00:47:27   very funny movie [TS]

00:47:28   it's got its got it's funny all through [TS]

00:47:30   but it's got and she keeps that thing [TS]

00:47:32   running but there are 45 legitimately [TS]

00:47:34   over-the-top set pieces that I think are [TS]

00:47:36   pretty classic yeah right that's why I [TS]

00:47:38   but I just got that pretty boy in it [TS]

00:47:40   right it's got that as a good law [TS]

00:47:42   the thing is everytime that there's a [TS]

00:47:44   dude on screen in that movie that the [TS]

00:47:46   air goes out of the room [TS]

00:47:47   yeah they put a bunch of they put a [TS]

00:47:50   bunch of dudes in there too like [TS]

00:47:51   alligators rose byrne in that too [TS]

00:47:53   no no the pretty pretty fancy lady from [TS]

00:47:56   from you know she's going to get married [TS]

00:47:58   in the ones are Carol yeah she is yeah [TS]

00:48:01   she's more McTaggart in the x-men movies [TS]

00:48:03   that right i know it doesn't help and [TS]

00:48:06   also I you know I realized a long time [TS]

00:48:08   ago I don't know the names of actors [TS]

00:48:10   because i don't care about their lives [TS]

00:48:12   ok says spy oh so anyway not spy because [TS]

00:48:16   by was a good movie and the thing is [TS]

00:48:18   what was good about it I understood and [TS]

00:48:20   appreciated but i could not have done [TS]

00:48:22   right I couldn't have gone in there were [TS]

00:48:24   parts of spyware the script where it [TS]

00:48:26   felt like the script was being written [TS]

00:48:28   by a committee and one of the people on [TS]

00:48:30   the committee was hilarious you can [TS]

00:48:31   really sniff out the doctoring sometimes [TS]

00:48:34   because you'll be hilarious little jokes [TS]

00:48:36   and missed and not very funny plot and [TS]

00:48:38   not very funny execution and you can [TS]

00:48:39   feel like oh this thing got dr. by [TS]

00:48:40   Patton Oswalt probably help with this or [TS]

00:48:42   something right [TS]

00:48:43   well I'm like third thing is thirty [TS]

00:48:45   percent thirty-five percent of the movie [TS]

00:48:47   Spy is hilarious [TS]

00:48:49   it's just that then sixty-five percent [TS]

00:48:52   of the time the joke gets set up and [TS]

00:48:55   then doesn't land and it's not that the [TS]

00:48:57   actors aren't landing it is that it is a [TS]

00:48:59   badly executed badly written joke huh [TS]

00:49:03   and you go if you can do thirty-five [TS]

00:49:05   percent of them so well why didn't you [TS]

00:49:06   just let that person right the whole [TS]

00:49:08   fucking movie but but that is not my [TS]

00:49:11   that is not my calling so there's [TS]

00:49:13   there's something different about the [TS]

00:49:15   action movie genre or an action movie [TS]

00:49:17   doctor could come in and you are you [TS]

00:49:19   assuming good bones [TS]

00:49:21   well so every james bond movie has as [TS]

00:49:27   its edits premise right i mean the basic [TS]

00:49:31   foundation of James Bond is our good [TS]

00:49:34   bones [TS]

00:49:35   here's this here's the spy and he's then [TS]

00:49:38   there's a bad guy [TS]

00:49:40   it's just sort of you know it's like you [TS]

00:49:42   can start a James Bond script and read [TS]

00:49:44   it through and there's always going to [TS]

00:49:45   be good stuff in it there's always an [TS]

00:49:49   opening action sequence that in the old [TS]

00:49:52   days kind of wasn't even related to the [TS]

00:49:54   film it's like the opening sequence was [TS]

00:49:58   it just to remind you that James Bond is [TS]

00:50:00   incredibly is an incredibly gifted [TS]

00:50:03   badass [TS]

00:50:04   yeah right and this is just ski off of [TS]

00:50:06   stuff we can there's lots of underwater [TS]

00:50:07   lot of shooting sharks and stuff right [TS]

00:50:09   and it was always be it was released the [TS]

00:50:12   classic James Bond movies of my [TS]

00:50:14   childhood the opening of the film the [TS]

00:50:16   cold open [TS]

00:50:17   who was the end of his last mission [TS]

00:50:20   before he begins the new mission right [TS]

00:50:22   and so it's it can be a great little [TS]

00:50:26   three-and-a-half minute long adventure [TS]

00:50:28   movie kind of like that wonderful scene [TS]

00:50:31   at the beginning of inglourious basterds [TS]

00:50:33   right was set up in with the that's the [TS]

00:50:37   one where they're hiding under the floor [TS]

00:50:39   oh my god i love that movie right [TS]

00:50:42   oh my god that scene i've seen that [TS]

00:50:44   movie probably four times and I still I [TS]

00:50:47   still find that scene incredibly [TS]

00:50:49   riveting it's it's hot it's horrible [TS]

00:50:51   it's hot so good stuff was so nice any [TS]

00:50:54   other french guy so perfect so perfect [TS]

00:50:57   because they don't overdo the whole like [TS]

00:50:59   okay now let's show the people scared [TS]

00:51:00   under there under the floor they just [TS]

00:51:02   ignore them [TS]

00:51:02   no there there the whole time you're [TS]

00:51:04   just like was gonna was gonna discover [TS]

00:51:06   is always getting let you know that he [TS]

00:51:08   knows it and the rest of the movie [TS]

00:51:09   doesn't live up to it right now it's [TS]

00:51:11   definitely got moments though it does it [TS]

00:51:13   does for sure but I final there's [TS]

00:51:14   something about the horrible horrific [TS]

00:51:15   mass of that final frame that I did this [TS]

00:51:18   despite myself I'm like yes it's so [TS]

00:51:21   awful i cannot i was rolling my eyes so [TS]

00:51:24   hard at that point that you could hear [TS]

00:51:26   my eyes rolling in the back of the [TS]

00:51:27   theater it sounded like bowling balls [TS]

00:51:29   my eyes were rolling so hard anyway wi [TS]

00:51:32   right but you're talking about like [TS]

00:51:33   they're the setup it's yeah this is this [TS]

00:51:35   is a classic trope in I think bond made [TS]

00:51:37   this a thing but now you start off your [TS]

00:51:39   actually maybe something immediately [TS]

00:51:40   grabs you [TS]

00:51:41   it might be a non sequitur Batman you [TS]

00:51:43   take the dark knight starts out the [TS]

00:51:44   heist at the beginning although I mean [TS]

00:51:47   that's an example of like the nonce the [TS]

00:51:49   great non-sequitur but it also relates [TS]

00:51:52   to the rest of the movie right it's the [TS]

00:51:53   you're establishing this new character [TS]

00:51:56   absolutely umm so so there are all these [TS]

00:52:00   things that you can do in the James Bond [TS]

00:52:02   movie where it's like there's that and [TS]

00:52:04   then there's he's gotta go to Rome and [TS]

00:52:06   he's gotta go to somewhere it's got to [TS]

00:52:07   get his gadgets like Harry Potter it's [TS]

00:52:09   kind of the same each time you gotta get [TS]

00:52:11   ready for school in this case you gotta [TS]

00:52:12   go he's got to meet with him he's got to [TS]

00:52:14   have a visit with q1 stuff in the [TS]

00:52:15   background [TS]

00:52:16   yep there's got to be a gadget a car [TS]

00:52:18   somebody's got to say James you can't do [TS]

00:52:20   this you are James you're on suspension [TS]

00:52:23   and then he goes barb gravel all and [TS]

00:52:27   then he's like somehow has access to [TS]

00:52:30   unlimited funds is also a woman who died [TS]

00:52:33   a woman has to die yeah and there's [TS]

00:52:35   gotta be you know there's gonna be sexy [TS]

00:52:36   times your master sure yeah so so yeah [TS]

00:52:41   the bones are always there [TS]

00:52:43   the question is how do you flush that [TS]

00:52:44   out and the and what's great about [TS]

00:52:47   casino royale is that it's all flushed [TS]

00:52:50   out exactly the way you want it right [TS]

00:52:52   the and it's gritty it's it they [TS]

00:52:54   successfully made the transition to a [TS]

00:52:57   gritty yeah James funny the younger like [TS]

00:52:59   it's supposed to be an especially at the [TS]

00:53:01   start that's when he started when he's [TS]

00:53:02   getting his double oh right yeah that's [TS]

00:53:03   the that it is getting the reboot reboot [TS]

00:53:06   it's the one where Spock is young and [TS]

00:53:07   cute and Kurt ok using the app wall [TS]

00:53:12   during Kobayashi Maru right got it [TS]

00:53:14   so uh so but but so i'm watching this [TS]

00:53:18   film and i'm just sitting in there i'm [TS]

00:53:19   just taking off like you know what all [TS]

00:53:22   you need to do to make that scene work [TS]

00:53:24   was this and you didn't do this i cannot [TS]

00:53:29   even fathom how you didn't it's staring [TS]

00:53:33   you in the face and to choose anything [TS]

00:53:37   else but to do this is to miss the [TS]

00:53:40   entire game like tip is to not is to [TS]

00:53:44   fundamentally not understand how James [TS]

00:53:46   Bond movies work and who are there were [TS]

00:53:50   800 people involved in the production of [TS]

00:53:52   this film and no one in a position of [TS]

00:53:55   authority could stand up and say hey [TS]

00:53:57   what if we just did the most obvious [TS]

00:54:00   thing right now which would improve the [TS]

00:54:03   movie and like and it does it wouldn't [TS]

00:54:06   even it's not expensive [TS]

00:54:09   it wouldn't even it's just it's like a [TS]

00:54:10   lot actually got like a plot point just [TS]

00:54:13   a tiny little it's not even a it's not [TS]

00:54:15   if they're there are some plot points [TS]

00:54:17   where you go [TS]

00:54:18   we got all the way here we've spent [TS]

00:54:20   we've spent 80 million dollars are [TS]

00:54:22   hundred million dollars making this [TS]

00:54:23   movie 245 million we spent 245 million [TS]

00:54:26   dollars making this movie and the entire [TS]

00:54:28   film hinges on a moment where James with [TS]

00:54:34   his pistol shoots at 200 yards an [TS]

00:54:40   inexplicable valve that is connected to [TS]

00:54:46   an oil refinery its most of a football [TS]

00:54:50   field in length with his with his pistol [TS]

00:54:52   with his pistol and as it's pretty good [TS]

00:54:55   shot and hits like a hits of a valve [TS]

00:54:57   which there is no explanation for the [TS]

00:55:01   existence of em of which there is no [TS]

00:55:04   explanation [TS]

00:55:04   vana existence right like and so then [TS]

00:55:08   all of a sudden there's a scene that's [TS]

00:55:09   like taken directly out of a out of Road [TS]

00:55:12   Warrior 2 [TS]

00:55:14   let's call it we're just like why is [TS]

00:55:18   this happening there is no this was [TS]

00:55:20   supposed to be a solar bids it is in the [TS]

00:55:23   two seconds before it is revealed to be [TS]

00:55:25   a solar-powered facility [TS]

00:55:28   as they're walking across the facility [TS]

00:55:29   it is revealed to be solar-powered [TS]

00:55:31   uh-huh and that is supposed to [TS]

00:55:32   communicate to us that it is technology [TS]

00:55:34   that's tech techno town but then right [TS]

00:55:37   in the center there's a valve on a pipe [TS]

00:55:39   which shooting it once causes the entire [TS]

00:55:43   facility to explode into an oil fire [TS]

00:55:46   oh you get the desktop problem come on [TS]

00:55:48   yeah that's that one vulnerability [TS]

00:55:51   yeah it's just like its relation to put [TS]

00:55:52   some kind of a box around that student [TS]

00:55:54   want brats you look and you talk about [TS]

00:55:57   that in beggars Canyon thought about it [TS]

00:55:59   beggars Canyon will use your just [TS]

00:56:01   nailing watch rather than two meters so [TS]

00:56:03   what I'm saying is bullshit and you [TS]

00:56:07   could just [TS]

00:56:08   it could just be something else you know [TS]

00:56:10   what I mean it could just be something [TS]

00:56:11   else it doesn't have to be that we just [TS]

00:56:13   something else [TS]

00:56:14   there's a there's a control panel inside [TS]

00:56:17   where the solar power do you turn the [TS]

00:56:20   knob and the solar power goes out of [TS]

00:56:22   control because solar power and you [TS]

00:56:24   don't mess with that stuff [TS]

00:56:26   no it redirects the sun's rays into some [TS]

00:56:28   kind of collector that overheats and [TS]

00:56:31   that it causes it to explode just don't [TS]

00:56:33   fucking bullshit me with the shooter [TS]

00:56:34   valve so there's 40 moments like that in [TS]

00:56:37   the film we just go all you needed was a [TS]

00:56:41   script doctor to just go through this [TS]

00:56:43   with the comb that's it so see looking [TS]

00:56:46   definitely admit then that scaffold [TS]

00:56:47   definitely better movie Skyfall had so [TS]

00:56:50   much of this in it [TS]

00:56:52   we're just like wrong wrong wrong wrong [TS]

00:56:55   that the the villain could be the [TS]

00:56:58   villains great i mean i love the actor [TS]

00:57:00   love him and the whole like but the [TS]

00:57:03   entire film and all this guy's like it [TS]

00:57:07   was all a trap all along that it wasn't [TS]

00:57:09   all thought he wanted to cut it was all [TS]

00:57:11   because he was mad that he was all he's [TS]

00:57:14   mad at em because she was the mom that [TS]

00:57:18   she was a bad mom em like no no no let [TS]

00:57:22   him she let him die have a better [TS]

00:57:24   fucking idea at the center of the movie [TS]

00:57:27   it wouldn't even take that much you just [TS]

00:57:29   sit and think about it for another two [TS]

00:57:31   minutes [TS]

00:57:32   it's not that he's mad at em he's mad at [TS]

00:57:34   em it's you know he's mad at something [TS]

00:57:37   sure he's a villain [TS]

00:57:39   mm but he's not destroying the world [TS]

00:57:41   cuz he's mad at his mom like that's his [TS]

00:57:44   matter is not even mom is making his mom [TS]

00:57:47   his mom you know [TS]

00:57:49   no no it's gotta be he's got to be even [TS]

00:57:52   he's got to either be crazier than he is [TS]

00:57:54   to justify that or there or the crime [TS]

00:57:56   has to be worse don't you like there [TS]

00:57:58   were rats in a barrel speech that's [TS]

00:58:01   great [TS]

00:58:01   it's nice and whatever the mercury [TS]

00:58:03   poisoning i mean there's a lot of good [TS]

00:58:04   stuff in that and there is with cyanide [TS]

00:58:06   John whatever anderson and then but this [TS]

00:58:08   that we're home erotic thing or James [TS]

00:58:10   Bond the charity is coming up he's got [TS]

00:58:11   his mainframe is going and you didn't [TS]

00:58:14   like that [TS]

00:58:14   what about later the shot glasses like [TS]

00:58:16   that no no i didn't like those because [TS]

00:58:18   i'm prepared to casino royale where they [TS]

00:58:20   are literally they are torturing his [TS]

00:58:23   balls and his balls in a way that that [TS]

00:58:29   legitimately feels like torture [TS]

00:58:31   yes every time they whacked him under [TS]

00:58:33   that chair with that thing I'm a barber [TS]

00:58:35   they're not just a inconveniencing him [TS]

00:58:37   with a chair no no they're whacking his [TS]

00:58:40   balls really really hard literally [TS]

00:58:41   hanging underneath [TS]

00:58:43   yeah audience was sitting in a chair [TS]

00:58:45   with no bottom so that's some fucking [TS]

00:58:48   hardcore shit [TS]

00:58:49   well what about the park or at the [TS]

00:58:50   beginning just like balls smack and come [TS]

00:58:52   on yes I do like a little balls man [TS]

00:58:54   literally you know what Merlin what you [TS]

00:58:56   want to be honest I like a little ball [TS]

00:58:58   scolding oh this is sure this is your [TS]

00:59:01   growing as a person when you're scolding [TS]

00:59:03   I'd like to sculpt the balls rather than [TS]

00:59:05   wack [TS]

00:59:05   okay fair enough fair enough I you know [TS]

00:59:08   what also just a terms of our ongoing [TS]

00:59:10   continuity you talked about macau a [TS]

00:59:14   couple weeks ago and I couldn't remember [TS]

00:59:15   where I knew the name from and now I [TS]

00:59:17   know what I know the name from is it [TS]

00:59:18   from a James Bond movie it's from [TS]

00:59:19   Skyfall the sky for ya [TS]

00:59:23   time for another scene where they set it [TS]

00:59:26   up so well so great and it's got the [TS]

00:59:28   lady in it may enter the gambling and [TS]

00:59:30   the bend the bag full of money you love [TS]

00:59:32   bag full of money i do love a bag full [TS]

00:59:34   of money but then the breath the end of [TS]

00:59:36   that is just too its just read the guy [TS]

00:59:38   falls into the pit it's like the doll [TS]

00:59:40   with the Komodo dragon it doesn't even [TS]

00:59:42   live up to [TS]

00:59:43   I mean when you're talking about [TS]

00:59:45   Octopussy who write when you talk about [TS]

00:59:49   Moonraker those are some scenes where [TS]

00:59:52   the bad guy gets his company with [TS]

00:59:54   Lawrence [TS]

00:59:54   the alligators that little guy that's [TS]

00:59:57   what I know that's the one he doesn't [TS]

00:59:59   sharp [TS]

00:59:59   sharp [TS]

01:00:00   tank the that's always a clown jaws [TS]

01:00:03   falls into the shark tank the child came [TS]

01:00:05   later the cloud came later that was that [TS]

01:00:07   was the kind of thing I was gonna think [TS]

01:00:09   it's not sure how you see the very [TS]

01:00:10   stones when a casino my boy had a [TS]

01:00:13   playboy with her and and off longer in [TS]

01:00:14   it did you into t remember early [TS]

01:00:19   eighties there wasn't sure do [TS]

01:00:21   yeah that's right there was a parody [TS]

01:00:23   Playboy and they only made one issue as [TS]

01:00:26   far as i know it was a it was a full-on [TS]

01:00:29   parody of playboy where they had [TS]

01:00:31   nakedness in it it was that it was the [TS]

01:00:34   National Lampoon era who and I got ahold [TS]

01:00:37   of this parody and the centerfold was [TS]

01:00:42   Princess Diana blue jeans they had [TS]

01:00:44   superimposed princess diana's head on a [TS]

01:00:46   naked lady and for me at the kind of [TS]

01:00:51   thing you sent James Bond out for right [TS]

01:00:53   at age 12 I was very affected by this [TS]

01:00:56   but it was a little awkward too because [TS]

01:00:59   you know Princess Diana she was good she [TS]

01:01:02   watches can on the wind [TS]

01:01:03   yeah she's a good girl and you didn't [TS]

01:01:05   want to yeah you didn't want sure yeah [TS]

01:01:08   sure you don't want to file her essay [TS]

01:01:10   that for later when you're when you're [TS]

01:01:12   older little more broken inside [TS]

01:01:14   that's that's right at that age I still [TS]

01:01:16   was pure is that we're going to say the [TS]

01:01:18   innocence for later so action movie [TS]

01:01:21   script doctor now 22 there are a lot of [TS]

01:01:24   guys out there and being gals to [TS]

01:01:27   presumably who have that job there on [TS]

01:01:31   the list and people are like how this [TS]

01:01:33   movie script isn't that good [TS]

01:01:35   what do we do let's call the script [TS]

01:01:36   doctor and let's leave the comedy script [TS]

01:01:39   doctors aside let's find the action [TS]

01:01:41   movie script doctors but whoever those [TS]

01:01:43   people are they're doing a fucking [TS]

01:01:46   terrible job because action movies are [TS]

01:01:48   by and large terrible they don't have [TS]

01:01:51   the snap and crackle of this where the [TS]

01:01:55   script is alive because there's this [TS]

01:01:57   sense of like we can't make it too smart [TS]

01:01:59   it's got a its got to be like at the [TS]

01:02:01   six-year-old boy level here except we're [TS]

01:02:03   going to show incredible violence and no [TS]

01:02:06   child should ever witness you don't [TS]

01:02:08   think about the plot too much and so [TS]

01:02:10   when you see it when you see an action [TS]

01:02:12   movie that where the script does crack [TS]

01:02:13   you're like oh thank you thank you my [TS]

01:02:16   god thank you [TS]

01:02:18   yeah and I could do that job and the [TS]

01:02:21   problem is just like getting into Yale [TS]

01:02:23   those people are not looking outside of [TS]

01:02:27   their up there like patrimony asst [TS]

01:02:30   rolodex it's a kind of it's kind of a [TS]

01:02:32   sickening professional myopia no one is [TS]

01:02:35   listening to this podcast and no one [TS]

01:02:37   none of those people are real or if they [TS]

01:02:38   are listening to this podcast they're [TS]

01:02:39   not identifying themselves in its a [TS]

01:02:42   salty sea air calls interpolation they [TS]

01:02:44   don't know you're talking about them i'm [TS]

01:02:46   talking to them you're talking to them [TS]

01:02:48   specifically and there's somebody else [TS]

01:02:50   you need a doctor to call the doctor [TS]

01:02:51   that's right then they're like they're [TS]

01:02:53   it's probably michael bay is listening [TS]

01:02:55   to this podcast is like did they just [TS]

01:02:57   say my name [TS]

01:02:58   I've been a loyal Roger Kahn listening [TS]

01:03:01   from the beginning and I've been making [TS]

01:03:02   transformer movies or whatever and I've [TS]

01:03:04   been doing a shitty job of it I don't [TS]

01:03:05   know what to do about it [TS]

01:03:06   yes i did that Rob Corddry move with the [TS]

01:03:08   rock I didn't see that I know I know [TS]

01:03:11   Rob's a good prompted me to the premiere [TS]

01:03:12   for that was really weird i saw Michael [TS]

01:03:13   Bay super weird lately [TS]

01:03:15   yeah lets you talk Michael Bay know he's [TS]

01:03:19   kind of dolorous he kind of looks like [TS]

01:03:21   Sam Sheppard means for Hertzog but satyr [TS]

01:03:23   mm he's got a certain he's got heaviness [TS]

01:03:25   to him that does sound like a lot of [TS]

01:03:28   dolor flores I a sam shepard for me will [TS]

01:03:34   always be chunkier Sam Shepard I'm sorry [TS]

01:03:38   I misspoke gusta who's the stranger and [TS]

01:03:40   all the possible [TS]

01:03:41   yeah he's the one with the mustache [TS]

01:03:42   economic reason him with impeccable sam [TS]

01:03:44   rockwell he's going to dances in iron [TS]

01:03:46   man Sam Rockwell was the one that was [TS]

01:03:48   alone on the spaceship and has sold [TS]

01:03:50   himself the spaceship was literally full [TS]

01:03:53   of himself [TS]

01:03:54   funny thing yesterday was as you know [TS]

01:03:58   Sonny's daddy-daughter day I in my [TS]

01:04:00   ongoing mission to ruin my child I [TS]

01:04:03   decided to take her to see a phone call [TS]

01:04:05   the Martian he and we showed up at the [TS]

01:04:08   theater and that place is usually just [TS]

01:04:10   dead dead dead like Trotsky on a Sunday [TS]

01:04:13   morning the theater literally has an [TS]

01:04:16   idea can decide yeah it's it was it's [TS]

01:04:18   usually completely dead you can just [TS]

01:04:20   walk right into theater you walk rate of [TS]

01:04:21   the concessions whole nine [TS]

01:04:23   this place was packed to the gills and [TS]

01:04:24   I'm like what [TS]

01:04:25   going on you know we already bought her [TS]

01:04:26   ticket we're kind of already in you know [TS]

01:04:28   I like bom-bom-bom bom-bom below me keep [TS]

01:04:32   you update and I won't look it up on the [TS]

01:04:34   fandango and they have like almost all [TS]

01:04:37   the theaters like probably half the [TS]

01:04:38   theaters were showing some version of [TS]

01:04:40   Spectre mm it was crazy so it's too late [TS]

01:04:45   to spoiler alert right because anybody [TS]

01:04:46   that's been listening this far as each [TS]

01:04:49   piece of shit is either seen it or is [TS]

01:04:53   like screaming screaming at the dr [TS]

01:04:55   totally screaming at me and saying why [TS]

01:04:58   are you telling me this i really go to [TS]

01:05:00   this movie and I think there's a [TS]

01:05:02   terrific twist that you haven't revealed [TS]

01:05:03   yet [TS]

01:05:04   Oh fantastic oh got all the great west [TS]

01:05:07   with the turns [TS]

01:05:09   I didn't see that coming uh-huh what he [TS]

01:05:12   what my are in there but there are 33 [TS]

01:05:18   seen the Martian have you seen the [TS]

01:05:19   Martian did see the Martian oh shit [TS]

01:05:22   the marshal was fantastic it's looks so [TS]

01:05:25   I mean setting aside the fact that it's [TS]

01:05:26   just it's fucking great in every way but [TS]

01:05:28   that's just the way it looks it feels [TS]

01:05:29   like a new kind of movie like something [TS]

01:05:31   about the way i can't quite describe it [TS]

01:05:32   i don't know what part of the production [TS]

01:05:34   to design and put my finger on but like [TS]

01:05:36   it looks it looks different [TS]

01:05:37   i eat it with a spoon it was the [TS]

01:05:39   Instagram filter that they chose I think [TS]

01:05:41   they used rising or something or yeah I [TS]

01:05:44   gotta get on that the the thing is it [TS]

01:05:47   looked i might have been like they were [TS]

01:05:49   doing the high frame rate or something [TS]

01:05:52   like that but there's something about it [TS]

01:05:53   anyway [TS]

01:05:54   don't get dressed for no show that's for [TS]

01:05:55   another show my only problem with the [TS]

01:05:57   Martian well here we go [TS]

01:05:58   science fiction movies your doctor and [TS]

01:06:01   it was great it was great [TS]

01:06:02   they should not have cast the talented [TS]

01:06:04   mr ripley at the stall wall that's crazy [TS]

01:06:08   talk [TS]

01:06:08   no no I don't think I did I just picture [TS]

01:06:11   picture that same exact movie exactly [TS]

01:06:14   the same movie [TS]

01:06:15   mhm but with Matthew McConaughey and [TS]

01:06:17   stars god that's that's who belong there [TS]

01:06:24   why you gotta ruin your show like that [TS]

01:06:25   what you gotta do the crazy talk and [TS]

01:06:27   shouldn't be very pattern [TS]

01:06:29   you got it you got it Murph there's a [TS]

01:06:30   pattern of sand and some moving books [TS]

01:06:32   no I want i'm going to sand the shit out [TS]

01:06:35   of this I wanted [TS]

01:06:37   here's the here's the other thing that [TS]

01:06:38   they can [TS]

01:06:38   and do they can't open a huge movie like [TS]

01:06:40   that with an unknown actor at the center [TS]

01:06:43   well I thought he was terrific i mean [TS]

01:06:44   you know the thing is in the book [TS]

01:06:46   there's a lot more know that nerdy math [TS]

01:06:49   which I'm not a I'm not a mathematician [TS]

01:06:51   I'm not even an arithmetic petition but [TS]

01:06:54   i really love that i sent my daughter [TS]

01:06:56   after like did you notice like how much [TS]

01:06:58   like arithmetic much math he had to do [TS]

01:07:01   it was like we started to realize how [TS]

01:07:02   fun it was the first of all it's very [TS]

01:07:04   funny very funny movie too [TS]

01:07:05   it's not like a like a baggy pants movie [TS]

01:07:07   like I mean it's a thriller it's sci-fi [TS]

01:07:09   it's funny but just all those additional [TS]

01:07:11   honey how much [TS]

01:07:12   there's like math and then a decision [TS]

01:07:14   and then math and a decision and like [TS]

01:07:16   this is not a spoiler but but basically [TS]

01:07:18   the science [TS]

01:07:19   well he's gotta go like okay ah no [TS]

01:07:22   problem like there's like five different [TS]

01:07:23   ways this is that I'm probably gonna die [TS]

01:07:25   here like which one of these gonna do [TS]

01:07:27   okay let's focus on this one thing I [TS]

01:07:28   could turn the spaceship into a farm [TS]

01:07:30   math i could get this many meters out of [TS]

01:07:33   this okay decision do I want to do that [TS]

01:07:35   well do I have enough water to do that [TS]

01:07:37   math how do i make more water if i make [TS]

01:07:39   more water st my 50 litre supply but i [TS]

01:07:42   loved it was fun [TS]

01:07:43   all that scene where he were you aware [TS]

01:07:45   he seals the heels the pod with plastic [TS]

01:07:48   sheeting and then he's laying in bed and [TS]

01:07:50   there's a spot Martians dust storm was [TS]

01:07:53   cheating is going to whack whack and [TS]

01:07:55   you're like no so lonely and he's [TS]

01:07:58   packing up everybody stuff uh I mean [TS]

01:07:59   it's not a perfect movie but it was [TS]

01:08:01   right in the pocket for me [TS]

01:08:02   here's here's where here's where it [TS]

01:08:04   should have been mounting there is [TS]

01:08:08   there's an idea at the center of that [TS]

01:08:10   movie which is that the reason he [TS]

01:08:14   survived was that he was an optimist at [TS]

01:08:19   any point along the way a pessimistic [TS]

01:08:22   personality not not not a pessimistic [TS]

01:08:25   occupation you know but a pessimistic [TS]

01:08:28   personality right there could have been [TS]

01:08:30   a person with the same exact resume all [TS]

01:08:34   those math skills who in that first [TS]

01:08:37   moment I laid down and said well that's [TS]

01:08:39   it for me and at any point along the way [TS]

01:08:42   laid down and said well I just blew up [TS]

01:08:45   the space station the and I and I cannot [TS]

01:08:48   rebuild it and so I am going to open my [TS]

01:08:52   helmet and die huh but his unfailingly [TS]

01:08:57   optimistic can do [TS]

01:09:00   johnny-on-the-spot like Navy pilot [TS]

01:09:03   mentality was the thing that saved him [TS]

01:09:07   ultimately like the math skills yes but [TS]

01:09:09   it was the fact that he was had a [TS]

01:09:12   cheerful disposition [TS]

01:09:13   mhm and so that idea and the idea that [TS]

01:09:17   we pick astronauts from this category of [TS]

01:09:22   people who are indeed fatigue able who [TS]

01:09:25   are just like thumbs-up can do who are [TS]

01:09:31   who are in the world actually kind of [TS]

01:09:34   annoying like they they are annoying to [TS]

01:09:38   work with these people they're annoying [TS]

01:09:41   to be in relationships with but they are [TS]

01:09:43   that but they are a tool in the human [TS]

01:09:46   toolkit [TS]

01:09:47   uh-huh and we need to identify those [TS]

01:09:50   people and employ them like that idea [TS]

01:09:53   wasn't quite explored enough and I think [TS]

01:09:55   part of that reason is that Matt Damon [TS]

01:09:58   isn't actually that guy in his own life [TS]

01:10:04   so he's communicating this like yippee [TS]

01:10:08   skippee thing but it's not in his eyes I [TS]

01:10:13   know hollywood script doctor but i'll [TS]

01:10:16   tell you what I what I like about I [TS]

01:10:17   can't this whole conversation I can't [TS]

01:10:18   think about a great a great movies we [TS]

01:10:21   should talk about someday but in this [TS]

01:10:23   instance uh I thought the economy of [TS]

01:10:26   storytelling in this was very good [TS]

01:10:27   because there are so many different [TS]

01:10:29   rabbit holes they could have gone down [TS]

01:10:31   including like I mean you have to just [TS]

01:10:33   take a lot of stuff as read and just [TS]

01:10:35   kind of buying or not I including the [TS]

01:10:38   fact that there's people on Mars which [TS]

01:10:40   we have not done yet as far as we know [TS]

01:10:41   but all the way I thought they were [TS]

01:10:43   really good at just having what they [TS]

01:10:45   needed to have in there to tell this [TS]

01:10:47   particular story if they gone off to [TS]

01:10:49   into too much like a dark night of the [TS]

01:10:50   soul thing in a way that wasn't good for [TS]

01:10:52   the movie it would not have been as good [TS]

01:10:54   so I admired when I see an adaptation [TS]

01:10:56   like that and like I say the book is way [TS]

01:10:59   nerdier in some ways and there's still a [TS]

01:11:02   lot of exposition for explaining things [TS]

01:11:03   dangling like me but like i like i [TS]

01:11:05   admired their restraint in keeping [TS]

01:11:08   focused on the story that needed to be [TS]

01:11:09   told when there could have been a [TS]

01:11:11   million different rabbit holes to go [TS]

01:11:12   down and just kind of alluding to [TS]

01:11:13   different things but the whole story the [TS]

01:11:16   whole story is i mean the the tension of [TS]

01:11:20   the movie the entire time is you're [TS]

01:11:22   thinking to yourself would i not would I [TS]

01:11:26   know the math to do this because yeah [TS]

01:11:27   you're asking you so you would you even [TS]

01:11:29   just how long would you even entertain [TS]

01:11:31   the completely fantastical idea that you [TS]

01:11:34   might survive this thing you're smart [TS]

01:11:36   enough to know how impossible the [TS]

01:11:37   situation is like what would it take to [TS]

01:11:39   actually then try and do something to [TS]

01:11:41   save yourself [TS]

01:11:41   yeah right i mean what do you do what do [TS]

01:11:44   you do a hundred and eighty Days Inn [TS]

01:11:46   when you wake up one morning and you go [TS]

01:11:48   you know what I just don't have it in me [TS]

01:11:50   today [TS]

01:11:51   well I'd say it's more math and [TS]

01:11:52   decisions method decisions about the [TS]

01:11:53   decisions because if you say to yourself [TS]

01:11:55   well okay is that his plan was obviously [TS]

01:11:57   pretty pretty ambitious so if you were [TS]

01:12:01   me and obviously I would never make it [TS]

01:12:03   onto a spacecraft for a variety of [TS]

01:12:04   reasons I i pee pee and poop a lot i'd [TS]

01:12:06   be bad i would make a lot of compost but [TS]

01:12:09   also anyone who was too conservative in [TS]

01:12:13   thinking about how to stay alive in the [TS]

01:12:15   short term short to medium term would be [TS]

01:12:17   dead meat [TS]

01:12:18   you would have to think about what [TS]

01:12:19   resources you're willing to sacrifice [TS]

01:12:21   that could keep you all around longer [TS]

01:12:24   like how do you level your resources in [TS]

01:12:26   a way that lets you do this thing that [TS]

01:12:27   seems impossible that takes a huge leap [TS]

01:12:30   of imagination [TS]

01:12:31   mhm mhm McConaughey are there other [TS]

01:12:34   movies if you if you can say are there [TS]

01:12:36   other movies that we remember Matt Damon [TS]

01:12:39   forward Matthew McConaughey we bet would [TS]

01:12:40   be better to see him in a bourne [TS]

01:12:42   supremacy bourne own identity I see I [TS]

01:12:45   that this is an example of matter Matt [TS]

01:12:47   Damon is great in the bourne supremacy [TS]

01:12:49   bourne identity because yeah bourne [TS]

01:12:51   identity is one of my favorite [TS]

01:12:54   it's a great movie and when you look at [TS]

01:12:56   matt damon and you look at him being a [TS]

01:12:57   very internal actor he belongs in that [TS]

01:13:01   movie he's he I by him as a as like a [TS]

01:13:07   robot killer who has lost his memory and [TS]

01:13:12   is just trying to figure it like but he [TS]

01:13:14   has a but if there's a moral Center to [TS]

01:13:16   him where he's trying to figure it out [TS]

01:13:19   and he's making moral decisions within [TS]

01:13:23   the context of this but every once in a [TS]

01:13:25   while somebody comes in a window and [TS]

01:13:26   tries to kill me and I killed them so [TS]

01:13:29   i'm not a normal guy but but like there [TS]

01:13:33   but there's a moral compass to him like [TS]

01:13:36   I by him in that huh uh and that's what [TS]

01:13:40   and i bet i buy him in the talented mr [TS]

01:13:41   ripley where it's like he is there he is [TS]

01:13:44   the ugly guy there's something really [TS]

01:13:45   ugly about you but but I what I don't [TS]

01:13:49   buy a is Matt Damon as the like [TS]

01:13:53   Pollyanna the pollyanna super scientists [TS]

01:13:57   don't you think that kind of being a [TS]

01:13:59   Pollyanna in that situation would not be [TS]

01:14:01   reasonable that you would have to have [TS]

01:14:02   that balance of we would you call [TS]

01:14:05   optimism identify call optimism exactly [TS]

01:14:07   but there's certainly a lot like a lot [TS]

01:14:09   of realism to figuring out like what [TS]

01:14:11   resources you level to stay alive and do [TS]

01:14:13   this incredibly ambitious stuff like [TS]

01:14:15   picking up the nuclear reactor or [TS]

01:14:16   whatever but this is the thing its [TS]

01:14:17   realism of a kind [TS]

01:14:19   it's you know it's the it's the type of [TS]

01:14:23   person who has never sat down and said [TS]

01:14:25   humans are pig dogs and there's no point [TS]

01:14:28   and if you've ever thought that you're [TS]

01:14:32   never gonna make it through a scenario [TS]

01:14:35   like the Martian uh-huh [TS]

01:14:37   because that thought will creep in when [TS]

01:14:40   your farm blows up and you're just like [TS]

01:14:43   you know what I gave this a good try [TS]

01:14:45   I gave this a good try but ultimately my [TS]

01:14:48   survival isn't that important and so I'm [TS]

01:14:52   gonna like spare everyone myself [TS]

01:14:54   included this fucking travail mhm but he [TS]

01:14:59   does hear that ever occurred to him his [TS]

01:15:01   survival is like is it now he's got a [TS]

01:15:04   new plant which do not want to be in [TS]

01:15:06   your script doctor meetings telling you [TS]

01:15:08   I would be I would [TS]

01:15:10   I'm the guy that would be fucking [TS]

01:15:11   throwing cronuts at people human brought [TS]

01:15:17   a chrome and it is going to stop right [TS]

01:15:18   there stop talking what the cronut there [TS]

01:15:23   that i want to see it in his eyes [TS]

01:15:25   I want to see it in his eyes that he has [TS]

01:15:27   never had a deep thought in his life i [TS]

01:15:30   want to see that in his eyes [TS]

01:15:32   because that is because that's the key [TS]

01:15:34   to this and and likewise in the James [TS]

01:15:36   Bond movie I want to see in all of their [TS]

01:15:40   eyes more than I'm getting oh and what [TS]

01:15:43   and what that would require was that [TS]

01:15:45   when they first ran through the script [TS]

01:15:46   it made any sense at all [TS]

01:15:48   oh because there are a lot of great [TS]

01:15:51   actors in that movie that are being [TS]

01:15:52   pretty wasted pretty wasted because they [TS]

01:15:56   are being given some dumb shit to do you [TS]

01:15:59   know that feeling where it's like oh [TS]

01:16:00   aight aight i got dumb shit to do [TS]

01:16:03   oh yeah yeah I can't stand it so action [TS]

01:16:07   movie script doctor who is another one [TS]

01:16:10   of the jobs that i will deign to take if [TS]

01:16:13   only the world is constructed and where [TS]

01:16:15   people not approaching you for these [TS]

01:16:17   things i don't know i went to that [TS]

01:16:18   billionaire party with you and not there [TS]

01:16:21   wasn't a single billionaire that walked [TS]

01:16:22   up and said will you be the CEO of my [TS]

01:16:24   company [TS]

01:16:24   oh and then I was right there i was in [TS]

01:16:27   their fucking laps and there's certainly [TS]

01:16:28   familiar with your work [TS]

01:16:30   well so to varying degrees and different [TS]

01:16:33   different kinds of work i mean if Ilan [TS]

01:16:34   musk is a tall scrobbling which I got to [TS]

01:16:39   assume he is sure he's good he's got us [TS]

01:16:41   he's got a roomful scrobbler sure he's [TS]

01:16:43   got a proper got a dedicated wing [TS]

01:16:44   scrobblers right and they are scrambling [TS]

01:16:46   through all the podcast looking for elon [TS]

01:16:48   musk references just like Courtney Love [TS]

01:16:50   at a magazine stand in 1997 where it's [TS]

01:16:54   just like let's see my flip let's see my [TS]

01:16:57   picture is love this is not a library [TS]

01:16:59   card any card look look I found you in [TS]

01:17:03   teen beat let's get it on my god I look [TS]

01:17:06   so fat your Elon Musk you are scrubbing [TS]

01:17:10   all the podcast looking for references [TS]

01:17:11   of yew of hungry for ideas John hungry [TS]

01:17:14   right and so he has to have listened to [TS]

01:17:16   every episode of this programmer we have [TS]

01:17:18   discussed him as it as an architect at [TS]

01:17:20   least by proxy is aware of it right and [TS]

01:17:22   show or somebody on his team is somebody [TS]

01:17:24   on this team is presenting to him on [TS]

01:17:26   pappas a a list of references that we [TS]

01:17:31   have made to him and some of the ideas [TS]

01:17:33   that he needs a little script doctoring [TS]

01:17:35   on huh [TS]

01:17:36   and he's what and i'm at i'm at a [TS]

01:17:39   fucking surrealist party with him and [TS]

01:17:42   he's wearing some kind of feathered [TS]

01:17:43   headdress and I'm just dress like a [TS]

01:17:44   normal [TS]

01:17:45   sin which is ultimately the most surreal [TS]

01:17:47   costume mm and he doesn't walk over he [TS]

01:17:51   just he stands over there and waits for [TS]

01:17:53   me to approach him [TS]

01:17:54   no no no no he doesn't understand how [TS]

01:17:56   this works [TS]

01:17:57   he doesn't that they fundamentally don't [TS]

01:17:59   understand how it works and I think it's [TS]

01:18:01   because its programming cultures we get [TS]

01:18:03   the programming i think its program i [TS]

01:18:06   think they're programmed to not know how [TS]

01:18:09   to not be programmed so I mean you're [TS]

01:18:17   here you're here you will pick up the [TS]

01:18:18   phone sometimes if it well how should [TS]

01:18:20   they contact you John is their way you [TS]

01:18:22   would prefer to be contacted by the [TS]

01:18:23   people who need help for things [TS]

01:18:24   yeah text me later I heard you give out [TS]

01:18:26   your address on a podcast the other day [TS]

01:18:28   mm it was my office address when it [TS]

01:18:30   might not even be really make another [TS]

01:18:32   office in my PA el we call it a [TS]

01:18:34   double-blind a pigeon drop yeah it's [TS]

01:18:36   like an office at first of all the [TS]

01:18:37   address is completely unbelievable there [TS]

01:18:39   is no Seattle boulevard in Seattle [TS]

01:18:41   Street that'd be kind of idiotic right [TS]

01:18:44   but that's my address and it actually [TS]

01:18:47   works the letters do get to me you can [TS]

01:18:51   your letters will get to me before or [TS]

01:18:52   the the very skips the the sox that [TS]

01:18:54   people send you the Sox the gifts [TS]

01:18:56   whatever you know what I said on the [TS]

01:18:57   other podcasts yeah I will entertain any [TS]

01:18:59   of your gifts i think you're only you [TS]

01:19:02   know if I heard correctly you're only [TS]

01:19:03   proviso was don't send me a living thing [TS]

01:19:06   unless it's been prepared prepared and [TS]

01:19:08   preserved yeah right i mean if you [TS]

01:19:10   wanted dead beaver in less it's mounted [TS]

01:19:13   or the bones have been bleached thank [TS]

01:19:14   exist but otherwise if you are an [TS]

01:19:17   artisanal maker of some kind you would [TS]

01:19:19   like to test your product out on me here [TS]

01:19:22   my true thoughts about it [TS]

01:19:24   absolutely fucking send it to me and I [TS]

01:19:27   will you know i'll put through the paces [TS]

01:19:29   or script if you want to script doctored [TS]

01:19:32   then that's a thing I mean you know the [TS]

01:19:35   first couple of these I'll do grant us [TS]

01:19:37   are you kidding me you would do that i [TS]

01:19:39   do it just to just just just to [TS]

01:19:41   demonstrate its a public service because [TS]

01:19:43   a lot of people are going to see these [TS]

01:19:44   movies and their shit what I want to do [TS]

01:19:47   is I want to have the director make a [TS]

01:19:48   move I want to I for instance you can [TS]

01:19:50   make this this Specter movie they [TS]

01:19:53   already did and then everybody sees it [TS]

01:19:58   then I dr. the script and we remake it [TS]

01:20:02   that's good and then you then that comes [TS]

01:20:05   out six months from now and then we just [TS]

01:20:07   do a little bit of a side-by-side we'll [TS]

01:20:09   see we'll see what people think about [TS]

01:20:10   that and what we're talking about the [TS]

01:20:11   figure of a costumer 40 million to make [TS]

01:20:14   the first one it's against a Toyota the [TS]

01:20:16   second one's got to be cheap exactly can [TS]

01:20:18   we use a lot of the parts that could [TS]

01:20:19   probably use sets some of the sets that [TS]

01:20:21   could reuse i guess i'm guessing you're [TS]

01:20:22   gonna get rid of the valve but he could [TS]

01:20:25   you gotta water a PPK in this one he it [TS]

01:20:28   he carries it but so here's the here's [TS]

01:20:30   the number one problem of this movie too [TS]

01:20:33   many pistols every problem in this movie [TS]

01:20:37   is solved with a pistol now James Bond [TS]

01:20:39   should be solving movies with our should [TS]

01:20:41   be solving problems with in his movie [TS]

01:20:43   with things other than a pistol like [TS]

01:20:44   mine bullets he should be using my [TS]

01:20:46   bullets he should be used and there's [TS]

01:20:47   one moment where there's an exploding [TS]

01:20:49   watch but out the stuff that the stuff [TS]

01:20:53   that his uh that his Aston Martin does [TS]

01:20:56   is all stuff from thunderball i think [TS]

01:20:59   i've heard it said there's some [TS]

01:21:01   recycling in its meant to look like a [TS]

01:21:03   haha throwback but it's actually [TS]

01:21:05   recycling people there is that there is [TS]

01:21:06   a moment there is a moment where i [TS]

01:21:08   actually was grabbed like oh that's [TS]

01:21:10   pretty [TS]

01:21:10   that's that's I didn't even say oh [TS]

01:21:12   that's pretty good i was like oh uh huh [TS]

01:21:14   yeah there you go up but there there's [TS]

01:21:18   like there's also many missed [TS]

01:21:20   opportunities and the biggest one is [TS]

01:21:22   don't let James Bond solve every problem [TS]

01:21:24   with the pistol give him some shit to [TS]

01:21:28   monkey with and let him also show some [TS]

01:21:30   of his math and science guys gonna say [TS]

01:21:33   let him let him science the shit out of [TS]

01:21:34   some spy work he can science the spy [TS]

01:21:36   stuff just as much as just as well as [TS]

01:21:38   born can [TS]

01:21:39   mhm right and he should be setting that [TS]

01:21:42   but at every at every turn [TS]

01:21:44   it's not even always his Walter he's [TS]

01:21:46   taken pistols off of people he's finding [TS]

01:21:49   pistols lying around you can really [TS]

01:21:51   overdo the pistols and then people and [TS]

01:21:53   so that the climax of the film i'm not [TS]

01:21:56   even talk about him shooting the valve [TS]

01:21:57   the climax of the film involves him in a [TS]

01:22:00   moving vehicle shooting at a moving [TS]

01:22:03   target at a distance of hundreds of [TS]

01:22:06   yards with a pistol and we are meant to [TS]

01:22:08   believe it because he shoots for [TS]

01:22:11   x and doesn't accomplish it and then the [TS]

01:22:15   fifth one he really aimed you know he [TS]

01:22:17   like gives the squinty eye and he's like [TS]

01:22:19   this is my last shot and he really aims [TS]

01:22:23   and and he accomplished he puts a bullet [TS]

01:22:26   into the mouth of a sparrow at 600 yards [TS]

01:22:33   and doesn't kill the sparrow it just [TS]

01:22:36   goes down it comes out its but that is [TS]

01:22:39   the implausibility about you and I just [TS]

01:22:41   like that's the this this is the climax [TS]

01:22:44   that's gonna be a hard time for gun [TS]

01:22:46   enthusiasts right now there's so much [TS]

01:22:48   confusing stuff out there i feel bad for [TS]

01:22:50   them I really do [TS]

01:22:51   right on the one hand i want to make it [TS]

01:22:54   very hard to own a gun in America ok I [TS]

01:22:57   want there to be a lot of hoops you have [TS]

01:22:58   to jump through I want there to be tests [TS]

01:23:00   i wanted to be a thing that you get a [TS]

01:23:01   license that seems absolutely reasonable [TS]

01:23:04   that should be the case [TS]

01:23:05   well I say that as a gun owner whether [TS]

01:23:07   they're where they gave you license but [TS]

01:23:09   it's really really really big and you [TS]

01:23:10   have to carry it like what if it's the [TS]

01:23:12   size of like a child science project [TS]

01:23:15   what if you have two would have the [TS]

01:23:16   license has to be in a frame and you [TS]

01:23:19   have to wear it around your neck [TS]

01:23:20   that's pretty good or you wear like a [TS]

01:23:21   sandwich board but in a way that would [TS]

01:23:23   prevent you from using a gun because you [TS]

01:23:24   gotta carry the fucking license I have a [TS]

01:23:26   gun license and here it is you can [TS]

01:23:28   clearly see it around my neck I do [TS]

01:23:31   believe that these are tough times for [TS]

01:23:32   gun owners because they're completely [TS]

01:23:35   unlicensed nature the fact that you can [TS]

01:23:38   have as many guns as you want causes a [TS]

01:23:41   lot of confusion for gun owners hmm they [TS]

01:23:44   need some limitations in order to [TS]

01:23:46   clarify really the guns they absolutely [TS]

01:23:50   have to own you know they should look at [TS]

01:23:52   their guns and say does this gun bring [TS]

01:23:54   me joy [TS]

01:23:55   oh sure if not clean it out of your [TS]

01:23:57   closet right then just keep the guns [TS]

01:24:01   that really bring you joy enough joy [TS]

01:24:03   that it's worth it to you to go through [TS]

01:24:05   what will probably be an onerous amount [TS]

01:24:09   of rigmarole kind of equivalent to [TS]

01:24:11   getting a motorcycle license [TS]

01:24:13   I think you should not be allowed to [TS]

01:24:15   have more guns than friends you spoken [TS]

01:24:17   to personally in the last week [TS]

01:24:19   oh wow that's a tough standard I know [TS]

01:24:21   you know somebody said to me oh you know [TS]

01:24:23   who it was it was the [TS]

01:24:24   psychiatrist i'm going to see don't okay [TS]

01:24:27   this is a little bit you know this is [TS]

01:24:28   giving away quite a bit i heard of said [TS]

01:24:30   this when I was running for office [TS]

01:24:31   because you don't want to admit any [TS]

01:24:33   weakness in public [TS]

01:24:35   nobody running for office goes to a [TS]

01:24:36   doctor not none whatsoever shouldn't [TS]

01:24:39   hear they're already perfect but i have [TS]

01:24:43   gone to a psychiatrist now twice which [TS]

01:24:45   is which more than a that's more than [TS]

01:24:48   all the other times put together more [TS]

01:24:49   than all the other times in my life put [TS]

01:24:51   together and at one point in them and i [TS]

01:24:53   had and i think he's kind of a tingling [TS]

01:24:54   but at one point he said you can only [TS]

01:24:57   have five close friends and you can only [TS]

01:24:59   know one hundred people and I was like [TS]

01:25:03   that's interesting that you probably [TS]

01:25:07   read that in psychology today in 1986 [TS]

01:25:10   issue turns out but i know i know a [TS]

01:25:15   thousand people by name and light end [TS]

01:25:19   and I consider them and that's just the [TS]

01:25:20   waitress it's I consider them friends [TS]

01:25:22   like I know 5,000 people on site and [TS]

01:25:26   2500 of them i don't know well enough to [TS]

01:25:28   know whether their friend or not but [TS]

01:25:30   like no you don't know what you're [TS]

01:25:32   talking about i have i have more than [TS]

01:25:35   five close friends if if if I am capable [TS]

01:25:39   of having a close friend [TS]

01:25:41   let's just say that Merlin Mann is my [TS]

01:25:44   close friend there are two very [TS]

01:25:46   different issues so it's one thing like [TS]

01:25:48   that that thing sounds that sounds a [TS]

01:25:49   little cute [TS]

01:25:50   it's very cute it's very cute the whole [TS]

01:25:52   profession is cute [TS]

01:25:54   yeah i can see cutesy little things like [TS]

01:25:56   that like it's only possible if you if [TS]

01:25:59   you if you bend over and tie your [TS]

01:26:01   shoelaces with your left hand [TS]

01:26:03   that means that your mother didn't put [TS]

01:26:06   your knee when she was disciplining the [TS]

01:26:08   road after mr. Roderick look at your [TS]

01:26:10   fingernails [TS]

01:26:10   haha it's all it's all TED talk shit its [TS]

01:26:14   total TED talk turns out bullshit TED [TS]

01:26:17   talk turns out it makes me want to talk [TS]

01:26:20   into my wallet [TS]

01:26:21   it makes me want to fucking answer a [TS]

01:26:23   phone call my wallet [TS]

01:26:24   he wanted so I have to take this I can [TS]

01:26:28   run flat out for a half mile before my [TS]

01:26:30   hands start shaking now why would I know [TS]

01:26:32   that [TS]

01:26:33   hmm turns out certain doubt that the [TS]

01:26:38   pressure points in my feet are related [TS]

01:26:41   1like related each to another to my [TS]

01:26:46   mustache hairs [TS]