Roderick on the Line

Ep. 174: "Infuntainment"


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00:00:20   the moon Wow boy a little while while [TS]

00:00:26   while red leather yellow leather [TS]

00:00:29   whoa Barrow stairs narrow stairs [TS]

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00:00:39   Lula you know probably podcast people [TS]

00:00:52   talk too much boy and this podcast in [TS]

00:00:56   particular [TS]

00:00:57   well you know if people just pause pause [TS]

00:01:01   just thinking reflect you've been on [TS]

00:01:04   you've been on a lot of podcasts where [TS]

00:01:07   I'm guessing there some long pauses yeah [TS]

00:01:11   that it almost never happens on this one [TS]

00:01:15   mhm now we don't we don't suffer from [TS]

00:01:18   silence but now it's good it's good it's [TS]

00:01:22   nice to just take a momentum [TS]

00:01:31   it makes people uncomfortable [TS]

00:01:34   I think so yeah i mean i like i like to [TS]

00:01:38   reflect in these moments on how much [TS]

00:01:41   this podcast means to me take a minute [TS]

00:01:45   you know I took I as i was driving in my [TS]

00:01:49   drive into into this podcast in [TS]

00:01:52   particular it's different than other [TS]

00:01:53   drives you dropped your drive into this [TS]

00:01:57   podcast as I'm driving into this podcast [TS]

00:02:00   i am reflecting are you really thinking [TS]

00:02:02   about the podcast before you're on it [TS]

00:02:04   no no not the podcast in particular but [TS]

00:02:06   the hot cast in general [TS]

00:02:07   mmm i think i am so grateful for this [TS]

00:02:10   podcast that gives me the opportunity to [TS]

00:02:12   take this drive from where I was to [TS]

00:02:15   where i'm going to be every there's [TS]

00:02:20   something about the some of the [TS]

00:02:22   scheduling of this podcast in particular [TS]

00:02:24   somewhere halfway along the road over [TS]

00:02:27   the route around i know the long drive [TS]

00:02:30   large that's right somewhere along the [TS]

00:02:32   line there i have I Drive by a methadone [TS]

00:02:36   clinic and it's a very very large its [TS]

00:02:40   industrial scale methadone clinic it's [TS]

00:02:43   been scaled up to accommodate the the [TS]

00:02:47   burgeoning population of heroin junkies [TS]

00:02:51   in the northwest [TS]

00:02:52   it's a very large facility and it's a [TS]

00:02:55   large facility that has not it's it's [TS]

00:02:57   appropriated an old building and it has [TS]

00:03:00   not accommodated it has made no [TS]

00:03:02   accommodation for the fact that what was [TS]

00:03:04   once probably a nut and bolt factory now [TS]

00:03:10   has 700 people in various stages of [TS]

00:03:15   recovery trying to make it in the front [TS]

00:03:18   door you know at at specific times and [TS]

00:03:23   so the so you're driving along to do [TS]

00:03:27   here i am thinking about the pot I'm [TS]

00:03:29   thinking about how much I appreciate the [TS]

00:03:30   podcast I'm driving into the podcast and [TS]

00:03:34   then there's a tourney bend in the road [TS]

00:03:36   and then all of a sudden it's like [TS]

00:03:41   you've come upon the scene of the [TS]

00:03:46   defense of the Polish post office in [TS]

00:03:49   Danzig like people are scrambling across [TS]

00:03:55   the street cars are parked that you know [TS]

00:03:58   at like seven different diagonal angles [TS]

00:04:02   to one another cars are up on the [TS]

00:04:03   sidewalk people are pushing themselves [TS]

00:04:06   but people are pushing their friend [TS]

00:04:08   across the street in a shopping cart [TS]

00:04:09   their fireworks going off and it's just [TS]

00:04:13   like whoa you and everybody has to break [TS]

00:04:17   that you know the trucks are all like [TS]

00:04:18   we're end and none of the people who are [TS]

00:04:21   on their way to or from the methadone [TS]

00:04:23   clinic ever look either way are they are [TS]

00:04:26   unconscious of there being traffic [TS]

00:04:28   there's no this is a thing about I don't [TS]

00:04:33   know how was your experience of heroin [TS]

00:04:35   junkies is but they supply little they [TS]

00:04:37   do not practice the principle of keep [TS]

00:04:40   moving and get out of the way it's a [TS]

00:04:41   shame the ones that keep the ones that [TS]

00:04:44   are moving are not getting out of the [TS]

00:04:46   way and the ones that are maybe a little [TS]

00:04:49   bit out of the way are not moving [TS]

00:04:51   okay so everything is you know i have i [TS]

00:04:57   have not an inconsiderable amount of [TS]

00:04:58   experience dealing with this crowd is it [TS]

00:05:01   like driving through a school zone you [TS]

00:05:03   gotta be extra careful i'm guessing the [TS]

00:05:05   things kids have been taught to look for [TS]

00:05:07   for look both ways right right where s [TS]

00:05:10   whereas junkies have forgotten [TS]

00:05:13   everything they learned this child so [TS]

00:05:16   yeah you have to be mean to really make [TS]

00:05:19   sure that you don't get into a calamity [TS]

00:05:22   you have to slow 23 miles an hour and it [TS]

00:05:26   and it throw it throws me out of my [TS]

00:05:27   reverie which is not you know again us [TS]

00:05:30   get that my problems are small beans [TS]

00:05:33   compared to the desire of someone who is [TS]

00:05:37   on a heroine product to not feel like [TS]

00:05:41   spiders are crawling underneath their [TS]

00:05:43   skin [TS]

00:05:44   those at that's you know that's a [TS]

00:05:46   different different degree of problems [TS]

00:05:48   but it does often it does happen then [TS]

00:05:51   send me into the last 10 minutes of my [TS]

00:05:53   drive in a different thinking about [TS]

00:05:56   different things [TS]

00:05:57   uh-huh not thinking about not just blank [TS]

00:06:01   not tabula rasa but fabula Blanco Bobby [TS]

00:06:07   fabulous negros wow are you a top you [TS]

00:06:10   like gray their second tubular webbing [TS]

00:06:13   yeah there's it's a tabula but it's [TS]

00:06:16   covered with scribbles now that you're [TS]

00:06:20   no alternate route know there are [TS]

00:06:23   there's no alternate route one of the [TS]

00:06:25   great things about Seattle is that it [TS]

00:06:26   was built premise on the idea that there [TS]

00:06:29   should be as few alternate routes as [TS]

00:06:31   possible [TS]

00:06:32   that's forward-thinking because we have [TS]

00:06:35   a lot of waterways bridges tunnels [TS]

00:06:40   not surprisingly few tunnels actually [TS]

00:06:42   but yeah everything you know everything [TS]

00:06:44   has to get around something else and it [TS]

00:06:47   all has to just funnel down to the one [TS]

00:06:50   road though if you live one place you [TS]

00:06:53   know you know your Road your one Road a [TS]

00:06:56   September first 1939 they personnel from [TS]

00:07:01   the post office they defended the post [TS]

00:07:03   office against the salts from the Nazis [TS]

00:07:05   well from the you know the SS in [TS]

00:07:07   particular for 15 hours [TS]

00:07:09   hmm that's amazing and they were all [TS]

00:07:12   executed the Vic the thing about Danzig [TS]

00:07:14   of course free city but lot of Germans [TS]

00:07:17   there [TS]

00:07:18   mhm and polish the Polish post office in [TS]

00:07:21   dancing was not was you know it was like [TS]

00:07:23   am like an embassy it was like a okay [TS]

00:07:28   she's your papers worked on stuff [TS]

00:07:30   well and it was considered like part of [TS]

00:07:32   it was considered like a sovereign part [TS]

00:07:35   of Poland almost like an embassy the [TS]

00:07:38   exactly but apart but also post office [TS]

00:07:41   you know people used to post office used [TS]

00:07:43   to really matter was like you go for [TS]

00:07:45   surgery at your barber right yeah [TS]

00:07:47   exactly [TS]

00:07:48   you go to the post office for all of [TS]

00:07:50   your nose at post offices or is it posts [TS]

00:07:53   office post office [TS]

00:07:55   um that's a really good question [TS]

00:07:57   attorneys [TS]

00:07:58   girl my I don't know I died since i'm [TS]

00:08:01   just on this one page advance these [TS]

00:08:02   talking danskin was dancing [TS]

00:08:04   yeah uh well it was dead dancing is the [TS]

00:08:09   german name gdansk is the Polish name [TS]

00:08:12   they have a lot of diet criticals and in [TS]

00:08:14   polished on happy to hear that whoohoo [TS]

00:08:17   load lots which I know of [TS]

00:08:19   unfortunately a lot of ghetto it's a [TS]

00:08:21   four-letter word that has three [TS]

00:08:22   different criticals in it [TS]

00:08:24   yeah the checks do that to their throne [TS]

00:08:26   by critical that your right and left and [TS]

00:08:28   you're like Jesus Christ man just decide [TS]

00:08:31   how to pronounce the letter C like it's [TS]

00:08:34   or or or make some more letters or [TS]

00:08:35   something like a letter c letter c is is [TS]

00:08:38   it's just it's an innocent character why [TS]

00:08:41   must you wait and we're asking a letter [TS]

00:08:43   C to do a lot of heavy lifting already [TS]

00:08:46   yes sometimes it's a see sometimes it's [TS]

00:08:48   a que sometimes it's got a city yeah [TS]

00:08:50   yep sometimes it's a church sometimes [TS]

00:08:52   it's a a suitor [TS]

00:08:55   ok it's so there's a lot going on but [TS]

00:08:58   yeah they so they are so they they [TS]

00:08:59   barricaded themselves in the post office [TS]

00:09:01   and they fought fought the Germans for a [TS]

00:09:05   long time but then this was the best [TS]

00:09:06   with the bummer of it [TS]

00:09:08   the Germans decided that they were not [TS]

00:09:11   what was it they were they weren't legal [TS]

00:09:14   day they were declared in court martial [TS]

00:09:16   this is on wikipedia has to be a write [TS]

00:09:18   the sentence to death by general [TS]

00:09:21   court-martial as clinically illegal [TS]

00:09:22   combatants that that's it i'm not little [TS]

00:09:25   over a little over a month later because [TS]

00:09:28   they were not they were this is this is [TS]

00:09:30   how we keep all these people in in [TS]

00:09:33   Guantanamo we decide that they are [TS]

00:09:36   illegal that it's there they did not [TS]

00:09:38   have a legal right to fight us if they [TS]

00:09:39   were legally authorized to fight us that [TS]

00:09:42   would be complicated if they were [TS]

00:09:43   wearing a uniform and it had a button on [TS]

00:09:45   it that had a that have the name of a [TS]

00:09:47   country then their legal and then you [TS]

00:09:50   can't just put them in a shipping [TS]

00:09:52   container and leave them in the hot Sun [TS]

00:09:54   for a year you have to have to do you [TS]

00:09:57   have to deal with meds like a like a [TS]

00:09:59   representative of the of their state but [TS]

00:10:01   he got almost almost like a person [TS]

00:10:03   yeah right you don't have to do that if [TS]

00:10:06   they're illegal then you can treat them [TS]

00:10:07   just like a warthog that you found in [TS]

00:10:09   the fourth it's a lot less paperwork [TS]

00:10:11   as a frequent fewer of wikipedia pages [TS]

00:10:13   on battles you will know that one of the [TS]

00:10:15   features of a Wikipedia page this is [TS]

00:10:17   easily the most fascinating part of this [TS]

00:10:19   page over on the right trail where they [TS]

00:10:20   give the details of the battle you get [TS]

00:10:22   the belligerence the commander's [TS]

00:10:23   casualties and losses and then in so you [TS]

00:10:25   got a column for one side column for the [TS]

00:10:27   other was on the one side you got poland [TS]

00:10:28   the subject Nazi Germany and then [TS]

00:10:31   under-strength you have a description of [TS]

00:10:33   who participated in the battle [TS]

00:10:35   oh this is amazing no not see it on the [TS]

00:10:37   Nazi side you had more than 200 SS and [TS]

00:10:40   sa you had the the people in black [TS]

00:10:42   uniforms people in the Brownshirts 200s [TS]

00:10:45   NSA soldiers policemen paramilitaries [TS]

00:10:48   and regulars + 3 + 80 Jeezy armored cars [TS]

00:10:52   you know what they have on the other [TS]

00:10:53   side 55 postman and civilians and one [TS]

00:10:56   railway man man and cream dumb like so [TS]

00:11:04   they were the instrument that the [TS]

00:11:05   postman's rule i cannot believe this [TS]

00:11:08   the the Nazis had 10 kill 25 wounded and [TS]

00:11:13   then out of there 200 people and depth [TS]

00:11:16   on the inside of the post office yet six [TS]

00:11:17   killed or two after surrendering 14 [TS]

00:11:20   wounded and then 38 executed in [TS]

00:11:22   captivity talk about it talk about being [TS]

00:11:24   a sore loser [TS]

00:11:25   that's pretty shitty right 38 executed [TS]

00:11:28   in Captain a lot that's not hard to do [TS]

00:11:31   they're in captivity that doesn't count [TS]

00:11:33   you know the funny thing about the polls [TS]

00:11:35   in world war two is a lot of them got [TS]

00:11:38   executed both by the Nazis and the [TS]

00:11:40   Soviets they were just getting executed [TS]

00:11:42   right and left because people were [TS]

00:11:45   people on both sides they were afraid of [TS]

00:11:48   the of the glow of the the valiance [TS]

00:11:51   polls they were valued have I mean that [TS]

00:11:54   didn't the polls have ate like a [TS]

00:11:57   famously rich history of like I don't [TS]

00:12:00   know dignified military service didn't [TS]

00:12:02   have a pretty badass army given the size [TS]

00:12:04   of it [TS]

00:12:04   yeah there was that there was a not only [TS]

00:12:06   one huge army but like very committed [TS]

00:12:08   people and they were part of that [TS]

00:12:09   pression idea of like the the officer [TS]

00:12:15   class was derived from the first [TS]

00:12:17   families of the [TS]

00:12:19   of the of the region right now Jacob [TS]

00:12:21   scraps i mean this isn't considered a [TS]

00:12:23   very honorable way to live and die for [TS]

00:12:24   your country [TS]

00:12:25   yeah and it wasn't a meritocracy nessa [TS]

00:12:27   it it in principle right it was that the [TS]

00:12:30   idea was that the the the gentry the the [TS]

00:12:36   the rich families and the the royal [TS]

00:12:37   families also produced the best military [TS]

00:12:40   minds like it was I mean it's that's the [TS]

00:12:44   that's the way people used to think [TS]

00:12:46   uh-huh and what's amazing is if you look [TS]

00:12:48   at the if you look at the leadership [TS]

00:12:51   like some of the best general Eiling [TS]

00:12:54   some of the best general ship [TS]

00:12:57   uh-huh of that war came from these guys [TS]

00:13:00   who whose fathers were generals their [TS]

00:13:03   grandfathers were generals the great [TS]

00:13:05   grandfather's were generals and and [TS]

00:13:09   you're like wow that's I mean imagine [TS]

00:13:11   growing up in a family where it's just [TS]

00:13:13   presumed not that you're going to go [TS]

00:13:15   into the army but that you will one day [TS]

00:13:16   be a general and lead your men into [TS]

00:13:18   battle and that's your whole career is [TS]

00:13:21   it began when you're 20 years old that [TS]

00:13:23   begins with this like well here's the [TS]

00:13:25   next generation of our leader leadership [TS]

00:13:28   class but didn't of course preceded by [TS]

00:13:30   20 years of this is going to be a thing [TS]

00:13:32   that you do you're watching how dad and [TS]

00:13:34   uncle uncle uncle flawed or whatever are [TS]

00:13:38   dealing with stuff this is like this is [TS]

00:13:39   that this is what we do this is what we [TS]

00:13:41   are not cobblers we're not Cooper's we [TS]

00:13:43   are not Fletcher's we are we are men who [TS]

00:13:45   lead in war right we are the bonds and [TS]

00:13:48   the and the whatever else i guess the [TS]

00:13:52   bonds but they uh yeah right you're [TS]

00:13:56   sitting in the front yard playing with [TS]

00:13:58   with swords made out of little sticks [TS]

00:14:00   and the staff car pulls up for the [TS]

00:14:02   carriage pulls up and those are gets out [TS]

00:14:04   and you know they're marching around [TS]

00:14:06   with their big plumes in their hat lot [TS]

00:14:09   of pressure [TS]

00:14:10   it's it's a it's a big deal but you know [TS]

00:14:12   but also some really good generally came [TS]

00:14:15   out of it i mean some shitty generally [TS]

00:14:17   to let's be honest yeah I mean you know [TS]

00:14:19   she's gonna always going to get mixed [TS]

00:14:20   bag [TS]

00:14:21   wow what a horrible war Oh rule but [TS]

00:14:25   anyway so back to also you're driving [TS]

00:14:28   into the podcast back to the methadone [TS]

00:14:30   and just for what I don't want to let [TS]

00:14:31   this pass like they're having [TS]

00:14:32   2.7 I'm also extremely grateful for the [TS]

00:14:35   podcast that will not be interesting to [TS]

00:14:36   our listeners but i wanted to [TS]

00:14:37   reciprocate that I look for yes no it's [TS]

00:14:40   very good asset is very good at but i [TS]

00:14:42   but i but I'm house I go past that I go [TS]

00:14:46   past the methadone clinic and I'm and [TS]

00:14:47   I'm thinking you know what's my what's [TS]

00:14:50   my what's my take here at I don't [TS]

00:14:54   this happens every time so I've never [TS]

00:14:56   mentioned it before because I didn't [TS]

00:14:58   want to be I didn't want to sit and talk [TS]

00:15:00   about the methadone clinic but it but [TS]

00:15:03   because there are a lot of you know [TS]

00:15:05   there's a lot going on there there's a [TS]

00:15:06   lot going on there for me there's a lot [TS]

00:15:09   going on there for all of them and I but [TS]

00:15:14   has it is it struck me repeatedly that [TS]

00:15:18   we're doing it wrong somehow and I don't [TS]

00:15:22   know I've been been been churning on it [TS]

00:15:27   I don't know how to do it better but it [TS]

00:15:30   seems like our current approach and by [TS]

00:15:33   current I mean for the last 30 years [TS]

00:15:35   approach to I don't even know if I [TS]

00:15:40   wanted to hang on cuz I i I've been [TS]

00:15:42   waiting because i wanted to jump in and [TS]

00:15:44   ask questions about this if i may [TS]

00:15:46   because I'm interested in this too i [TS]

00:15:48   don't know i mean i'm trying not to [TS]

00:15:51   become a one-issue person about this [TS]

00:15:52   about the utter desolation the utter [TS]

00:15:56   just crumbling of the city in which I [TS]

00:15:58   live because it's bad it's bad and I [TS]

00:16:02   I've had a little miniature rant about [TS]

00:16:04   this on the program within a few weeks [TS]

00:16:05   ago [TS]

00:16:06   it is really awful what's happening here [TS]

00:16:08   and I mean for example just as recently [TS]

00:16:13   as sunday on daddy daughter day as is [TS]

00:16:17   often the case my daughter and I go [TS]

00:16:18   downtown to have lunch and watching a [TS]

00:16:20   movie and you know by a book and stuff [TS]

00:16:23   like that by a thermos you know daddy [TS]

00:16:24   daughter stuff [TS]

00:16:25   sure oh my god did you guys recently by [TS]

00:16:27   a thermos oh yeah we buy three thermoses [TS]

00:16:28   what we need my second tell you what [TS]

00:16:31   that will tell you right now with [TS]

00:16:32   thermistor by see I don't want to take [TS]

00:16:34   you off of your story but i know i got [TS]

00:16:36   stake in the ground here I'm good well [TS]

00:16:37   let's pull over to the side here and [TS]

00:16:39   talk about thermistor second what to [TS]

00:16:41   give me give me your knowledge I have a [TS]

00:16:43   daughter in school is a wonderful [TS]

00:16:44   wonderful human being [TS]

00:16:45   but she's very forgetful the days of [TS]

00:16:47   having a water bottle for her that she [TS]

00:16:49   takes the school are over we now have [TS]

00:16:51   approximately six water bottles of which [TS]

00:16:53   224 may be available in the house maybe [TS]

00:16:56   at a given time I finally got smart and [TS]

00:16:58   realized we need to have a couple cheap [TS]

00:17:00   ones a couple nice ones eventually will [TS]

00:17:02   maybe find them in lost and found in the [TS]

00:17:04   case of her fleece it had been on the [TS]

00:17:05   playground for a week and we found my [TS]

00:17:08   wife walked past a a black fuzzy lump [TS]

00:17:11   with dirt on it and that was the the [TS]

00:17:13   fleece that my daughter was pretty sure [TS]

00:17:15   she had left somewhere the missing [TS]

00:17:17   police which was so we try different [TS]

00:17:19   ones and i don't i don't have the golden [TS]

00:17:21   please basically hm armed I and so what [TS]

00:17:28   we did what I tried one I just think [TS]

00:17:29   it's on a spark plug right just gonna [TS]

00:17:30   try one out so I i look at some [TS]

00:17:33   different ones and one of my [TS]

00:17:34   frustrations my wife is not a big i sir [TS]

00:17:37   I put a lot of ice in the thermos or [TS]

00:17:39   that the thing because I figure what [TS]

00:17:41   happens to things happen first of all [TS]

00:17:43   whatever is in there will tend to get [TS]

00:17:45   warm and when ice gets kind of warm it [TS]

00:17:49   changes and it turns into water so [TS]

00:17:51   there's a benefit of putting mostly a [TS]

00:17:53   ton of ice in there and some water and [TS]

00:17:55   with your average run-of-the-mill be- or [TS]

00:17:57   so you know water conveyance that will [TS]

00:18:00   turn into what is just cool water by the [TS]

00:18:02   end of the day [TS]

00:18:03   cool cool water cool water give me some [TS]

00:18:06   water Mountain shot a man on the Mexican [TS]

00:18:09   border [TS]

00:18:10   eduardo de niro I and so just what I [TS]

00:18:14   tried for fun because it had Batman on [TS]

00:18:17   it and she wanted it was the thermos [TS]

00:18:19   brand this is not an endorsement which [TS]

00:18:21   are not endorsements [TS]

00:18:22   I speak only for myself thermos brand [TS]

00:18:24   thermos brand fun [TS]

00:18:26   taner the thermos brand fun taner is a [TS]

00:18:30   is a it's room what probably about two [TS]

00:18:35   inches in diameter [TS]

00:18:36   not-not-not a wide oh that was small but [TS]

00:18:38   it but yeah but it's probably about [TS]

00:18:40   eight inches high [TS]

00:18:41   it's got a pop-top a little strong thing [TS]

00:18:42   and had made of aluminum but with [TS]

00:18:45   insulation it's related aluminum this is [TS]

00:18:48   not yours is not your father's thermos [TS]

00:18:49   by which i mean our thermos [TS]

00:18:51   this is not a world-class that literally [TS]

00:18:53   literally burly brake brakes planet rock [TS]

00:18:55   now that this is a Batman thermos fun [TS]

00:18:58   taner and you get it and the first day i [TS]

00:19:00   had i'm gonna tell you the truth I put [TS]

00:19:01   way too much ice in it i put the water [TS]

00:19:04   in I kept it miraculously end of the [TS]

00:19:06   first day of school she still has it [TS]

00:19:08   I'm unloading her backpack full of [TS]

00:19:09   garbage and take it out and guess what [TS]

00:19:12   it's still half full of ice yeah till [TS]

00:19:15   after six hours or so it's still had ice [TS]

00:19:20   in it my endorsement is for you to try [TS]

00:19:22   this thermos brand fun taner it varies [TS]

00:19:25   in price based on whether it has put my [TS]

00:19:27   little pony or Avengers or Batman or [TS]

00:19:28   what have you but this is I can see the [TS]

00:19:31   thermostat and feel good about it takes [TS]

00:19:32   a beating up a little more for it but [TS]

00:19:35   it's a it's a good thermos yeah i would [TS]

00:19:37   put this in the small back [TS]

00:19:39   it's a fun taylor and i like to this is [TS]

00:19:42   a thing that we've been struggling to [TS]

00:19:43   describe our what we provide people the [TS]

00:19:46   service we provide people and i would [TS]

00:19:48   like to maintain that it is that i would [TS]

00:19:50   say it like that was in front ain haha [TS]

00:19:53   ah huh containment all that really works [TS]

00:19:57   for me it's really what we're doing here [TS]

00:19:59   and yet the fun taner I mean what what [TS]

00:20:02   is the podcast if not a fun taner for [TS]

00:20:04   our in fun time you get one with the [TS]

00:20:05   r2d2 Ninja Turtles princesses [TS]

00:20:09   so yeah check that out i think it's i [TS]

00:20:11   think it's a good one but you know [TS]

00:20:12   you're going to get into this more as [TS]

00:20:14   she goes places where neither of you are [TS]

00:20:17   mhm and everything disappears it's all [TS]

00:20:21   you are not interesting this is not fun [TS]

00:20:23   this is not this is not fun tainment [TS]

00:20:24   that the reality is that everything you [TS]

00:20:26   buy goes away and the child has no idea [TS]

00:20:28   that that it maybe even ever existed [TS]

00:20:31   it might be lost and found you know it [TS]

00:20:33   but no it just is she will and then one [TS]

00:20:36   day she'll probably go for water bottles [TS]

00:20:38   that she found well so I i send my [TS]

00:20:41   daughter to school with the water [TS]

00:20:42   bottles that we have collected from the [TS]

00:20:44   XOXO festival nice and so she she sees [TS]

00:20:48   XOXO as her that's her brand of water [TS]

00:20:52   bottle [TS]

00:20:52   did you did you have any problems with [TS]

00:20:54   leakage there were some people on the [TS]

00:20:55   entitlement channel and XOXO who are [TS]

00:20:57   complaining about that the water bottles [TS]

00:20:59   were leaking and they were all leakage [TS]

00:21:01   their free water bottles were leaking [TS]

00:21:03   get into it I can keep up um I felt [TS]

00:21:08   like I feel like no that's a bet brand [TS]

00:21:11   of water containment vehicle is is solid [TS]

00:21:15   I'm not worried about it but i think the [TS]

00:21:17   other thing is called clean teen is that [TS]

00:21:20   the brand name don't know [TS]

00:21:22   cancel that with friends yeah you know [TS]

00:21:24   what that's one of the things that I'm [TS]

00:21:26   most ashamed of him so bad at [TS]

00:21:27   remembering brand thoughts on brands but [TS]

00:21:30   a good friend of mine a very close [TS]

00:21:32   friend of mine the other day showed up [TS]

00:21:33   with a with a new thermos and it was a [TS]

00:21:41   Stanley brand thermos [TS]

00:21:43   that's a good-ass thermostat green the [TS]

00:21:45   big green classic the big green class [TS]

00:21:47   that's that's a fantastic i got life [TS]

00:21:49   hacks on how to use one of those that is [TS]

00:21:50   a great thermos [TS]

00:21:51   yeah the thing is three feet tall it [TS]

00:21:53   looks like a it looks like a howitzer [TS]

00:21:54   shell and she plopped down in front of [TS]

00:21:57   me she was like I got this the other day [TS]

00:21:59   thought you might appreciate it and I [TS]

00:22:01   was just like trying to contain the [TS]

00:22:04   covetousness I felt for this giant [TS]

00:22:06   thermos and it's just like I don't even [TS]

00:22:08   care about your thermos and she was like [TS]

00:22:09   I don't believe you [TS]

00:22:11   I think that you like this thermostat [TS]

00:22:12   was like no not interested actually [TS]

00:22:14   frankly I was just gonna go drink some [TS]

00:22:16   something out of a plastic water bottle [TS]

00:22:18   don't care probably going to get about a [TS]

00:22:19   second [TS]

00:22:20   yeah she was like neener neener neener [TS]

00:22:22   and then as soon as she left the room I [TS]

00:22:24   was just all over this thermos checking [TS]

00:22:25   it out with its little cup the cop you [TS]

00:22:28   know what the key is you probably know [TS]

00:22:29   see that here's the key to the green [TS]

00:22:31   Stanley classic thermos is before you [TS]

00:22:34   put your coffee in it you know to put in [TS]

00:22:35   it [TS]

00:22:36   well a lot water boiling water you put [TS]

00:22:39   in boiling water you get this is physics [TS]

00:22:41   John this is basic physics you fill that [TS]

00:22:43   thing with fucking hot water and have it [TS]

00:22:45   sit there for minutes minutes minutes [TS]

00:22:47   minutes minutes what i want what i would [TS]

00:22:48   do to turn what i would do for with the [TS]

00:22:50   bed at night i would fill it with [TS]

00:22:51   boiling water and close it in the [TS]

00:22:53   morning you throw out the boiling water [TS]

00:22:54   you put in your piping hot coffee [TS]

00:22:56   you're gonna have coffee until 8pm wow [TS]

00:22:58   maybe it's a little cool but but it's [TS]

00:23:01   it's an outstanding the old-school [TS]

00:23:03   thermoses old-school technology [TS]

00:23:05   yeah well what was astonishing about it [TS]

00:23:07   i was looking at was measuring it with [TS]

00:23:08   my eyes you know and imagining how much [TS]

00:23:10   coffee you could put in this thing you [TS]

00:23:13   think I was alright well let's stick [TS]

00:23:15   wall but it's got a handle in a cup [TS]

00:23:17   yeah oh god it's so grand so I [TS]

00:23:19   interrupted you no no I interrupted you [TS]

00:23:21   because you and your dog [TS]

00:23:22   you're on your way downtown to have [TS]

00:23:23   father daughter day yeah daddy daughter [TS]

00:23:25   day and it was great we went we saw the [TS]

00:23:27   release of iron giant with new scenes in [TS]

00:23:30   it [TS]

00:23:30   outstanding i cried and cried it was [TS]

00:23:32   great we have popcorn but you know even [TS]

00:23:34   just well I Got News new scenes and iron [TS]

00:23:37   giant like like scenes where they're on [TS]

00:23:39   the planet the French plantation or [TS]

00:23:41   something oh yeah it's like an [TS]

00:23:42   apocalypse giant they there's two new [TS]

00:23:44   things one of which you will hardly [TS]

00:23:46   notice unless you're very familiar with [TS]

00:23:48   the film and another of which depending [TS]

00:23:51   on your own theories or reckons about [TS]

00:23:53   the movie and in particular about the [TS]

00:23:55   origin of the giant could change a lot [TS]

00:23:57   it's pretty much exactly it clarifies [TS]

00:23:59   what's up with the giant so like a cgi [TS]

00:24:03   job and a hot walks onto the screen and [TS]

00:24:05   tells you the back story of CGI Harrison [TS]

00:24:08   Ford comes out and narrates it shoots [TS]

00:24:10   him first and then explains we call him [TS]

00:24:13   skinjobs uh-huh okay well that's [TS]

00:24:16   exciting so long as they don't replace [TS]

00:24:18   this one yet [TS]

00:24:19   big screen i'ma tell you is this and [TS]

00:24:20   like a spoil it for you but so you've [TS]

00:24:23   seen this film for my favorite movies [TS]

00:24:25   you know he's a teens scrapyard he goes [TS]

00:24:27   and stays there [TS]

00:24:28   37 minutes later he knocks on the door [TS]

00:24:29   again you know and finally the giant end [TS]

00:24:31   up spending the night sleeping outside [TS]

00:24:32   remember Bogaerts goodbye him and leaves [TS]

00:24:35   new scene all i'm going to say iron [TS]

00:24:39   giant has a dream [TS]

00:24:41   what yeah and it's broadcast on a TV [TS]

00:24:45   inside the Dean is watching [TS]

00:24:47   well we will see his dream because you [TS]

00:24:50   know he's an electronic robot sure of [TS]

00:24:52   course if you a fair if you want all [TS]

00:24:54   sports well if I tell you was in the [TS]

00:24:55   dream but did it did this is the [TS]

00:24:57   question we've been asking for years the [TS]

00:24:59   dream of electric sheep absolutely will [TS]

00:25:01   you all we know we know he had the [TS]

00:25:02   bumping his head which seem to make him [TS]

00:25:04   forget that he may actually be a gun but [TS]

00:25:08   then you remember at the end he knocks [TS]

00:25:11   out that little because they start [TS]

00:25:13   pulling guns on him and walks out that [TS]

00:25:15   little bump and get so happy chappy with [TS]

00:25:17   the gun stuff haha god what an [TS]

00:25:19   outstanding movie [TS]

00:25:20   oh my god what a good movie it was such [TS]

00:25:22   a surprise the first time I saw her I [TS]

00:25:24   was unprepared utterly unprepared for [TS]

00:25:25   how good that movie was yep yep yep [TS]

00:25:27   when and went into watching it with a [TS]

00:25:29   kind of like of candor 3-nothing three [TS]

00:25:32   syllables still make me cry [TS]

00:25:34   super man breaks my heart and I you know [TS]

00:25:40   what I bitch when i'm not actually [TS]

00:25:41   sitting in front of the movie I bitch [TS]

00:25:43   about the end because i think the ending [TS]

00:25:45   in intellectually feels tacked on in my [TS]

00:25:49   head the movie should stop at the point [TS]

00:25:51   when they're hanging out and we see the [TS]

00:25:52   Dean any other couple and they've got [TS]

00:25:55   the statue and little whore says how he [TS]

00:25:58   misses the Giant in my head that's where [TS]

00:26:00   the movie should stop then of course it [TS]

00:26:02   ends not spoil it for anyone but it ends [TS]

00:26:04   with certain implications about what [TS]

00:26:06   happened to the Giant and you know what [TS]

00:26:08   every intellectual bone in my body just [TS]

00:26:09   melts when I actually see that ending [TS]

00:26:12   and eyeball and I think it's perfect [TS]

00:26:15   this isn't about that war literally war [TS]

00:26:17   with myself yeah you think about it i [TS]

00:26:18   think about it after the fact that it [TS]

00:26:20   doesn't comport with your your your [TS]

00:26:22   narrative music is swelling and the [TS]

00:26:24   camera is flying through and that dumb [TS]

00:26:26   typeface HS says iceland and it's flying [TS]

00:26:28   through and then you see the face you're [TS]

00:26:30   like oh my god [TS]

00:26:32   oh you want to cry right now this [TS]

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00:27:55   supporting Roderick on the line number [TS]

00:27:56   one downtown we get off we go down and [TS]

00:27:59   like you know just getting from [TS]

00:28:02   Palestine station to the metreon it's [TS]

00:28:04   like aa first one on the trip there [TS]

00:28:08   there was a clearly what's the proper [TS]

00:28:12   term no I schizophrenic man a man who [TS]

00:28:13   got on the train and SAT right next to [TS]

00:28:15   my daughter cross-legged on the floor [TS]

00:28:16   pulling his hair and making a high [TS]

00:28:19   pitched noise when he put his fingers in [TS]

00:28:20   his ears like a guy who's obviously [TS]

00:28:21   having like a schizophrenic episode like [TS]

00:28:23   that's happening like right next to my [TS]

00:28:24   kid she's super mellow about it we get [TS]

00:28:26   off we see another guy trying to break a [TS]

00:28:28   window with his elbow screaming at [TS]

00:28:29   nobody [TS]

00:28:30   we see another guy who's screening at [TS]

00:28:32   tourists at the corner of or just [TS]

00:28:34   passers-by at the corner of like mission [TS]

00:28:37   and fifth and just just screaming and as [TS]

00:28:40   we make our way past that we're about to [TS]

00:28:41   make the turn you over to target and [TS]

00:28:43   there's a man is an african-american man [TS]

00:28:45   sobbing as he walks down the middle of [TS]

00:28:48   Fifth Street like he's having some kind [TS]

00:28:50   of an Old Testament experience like its [TS]

00:28:53   I mean the kind of thing where like you [TS]

00:28:55   you remember something like that from [TS]

00:28:56   being a kid and seeing it once and she [TS]

00:28:58   saw like four things like that in about [TS]

00:29:00   15 minutes huh [TS]

00:29:01   and that's that's what's happening on at [TS]

00:29:03   the street level right now welcome to [TS]

00:29:05   serve the local San Francisco's very [TS]

00:29:06   fancy we got a lot of startups in a hell [TS]

00:29:09   of a place and then of course the poop [TS]

00:29:10   which is just literally everywhere so [TS]

00:29:12   much billions and billions of dollars [TS]

00:29:14   pouring into San Francisco but just [TS]

00:29:16   every you every into up it's in it's [TS]

00:29:19   being poured into buckets that just some [TS]

00:29:23   people never see and the what happens [TS]

00:29:26   when the money gets poured into those [TS]

00:29:27   buckets that they don't see has [TS]

00:29:29   invisible ramifications within weeks and [TS]

00:29:31   months so now I mean let's put it all [TS]

00:29:35   just put in one statement or make [TS]

00:29:36   understand now why people are being [TS]

00:29:37   evicted and that's changed everything [TS]

00:29:40   so there's just--there's just notice is [TS]

00:29:42   going up everywhere for like yeah well [TS]

00:29:44   here's the thing i just decided to [TS]

00:29:45   triple your red so you're right [TS]

00:29:46   seventeen thousand dollars a month now [TS]

00:29:47   and that's just the thing [TS]

00:29:49   so you know three days quit that kind of [TS]

00:29:52   thing so yeah it's happening everywhere [TS]

00:29:54   I just saw a notice on a place down the [TS]

00:29:56   street from where i am uh a three-day or [TS]

00:29:59   quit notice for a guy who owes [TS]

00:30:01   343 you send you the picture 343,000 [TS]

00:30:05   dollars in background on a place [TS]

00:30:07   wow yeah so anyway that's happening [TS]

00:30:11   here's a question for you this is where [TS]

00:30:13   it gets back to the methadone see that [TS]

00:30:15   there's something I've been thinking [TS]

00:30:16   about i think when you're a person of [TS]

00:30:18   one way to put it is like a fortunate [TS]

00:30:21   person another way to put it might be a [TS]

00:30:23   privileged person how everyone think of [TS]

00:30:24   it like people who are not currently in [TS]

00:30:27   a state of dire dress or who have never [TS]

00:30:29   been faced with tiredness and duress [TS]

00:30:32   tend to think kind of digitally like you [TS]

00:30:36   think in terms of let's say haves and [TS]

00:30:37   have-nots or you think of people who are [TS]

00:30:39   upstanding citizens and junkies are you [TS]

00:30:41   thinking all these terms that are very [TS]

00:30:42   digital you think of like people who are [TS]

00:30:44   criminals or you know citizens or [TS]

00:30:46   however going to think about it and like [TS]

00:30:48   I started thinking my head the phrase [TS]

00:30:49   I'm not have never utter till this [TS]

00:30:51   moment is like the ladder of desperation [TS]

00:30:53   that there are so many as five not even [TS]

00:30:56   a ladder is probably more than one axis [TS]

00:30:58   but that's what I'm very interested in [TS]

00:31:01   methadone because most of us who are [TS]

00:31:04   whatever on the good side of that the [TS]

00:31:06   white side of all those things look down [TS]

00:31:08   and say oh here's the heroin addict that [TS]

00:31:10   we saw in our health books in eighth [TS]

00:31:12   grade we know about the heroin addict [TS]

00:31:14   with who's addicted on the heroin and [TS]

00:31:17   then over here you got the person who [TS]

00:31:18   now has written a best-selling book [TS]

00:31:19   about how they got a heroine or whatever [TS]

00:31:21   but like the methadone is super [TS]

00:31:22   interesting because it seems like that's [TS]

00:31:24   on one of the lower rungs of the ladder [TS]

00:31:27   of desperation but like what is what is [TS]

00:31:29   methadone [TS]

00:31:30   how does met the don't get introduced [TS]

00:31:31   into a person's life do they want it [TS]

00:31:34   are they glad they're having it are they [TS]

00:31:36   are they happy they're off the heroin is [TS]

00:31:38   methadone to just school me on this [TS]

00:31:40   because i have never you going to get a [TS]

00:31:42   cup of her first thing the vancouver you [TS]

00:31:44   get your method down it emulate some of [TS]

00:31:46   the effects of heroin without like what [TS]

00:31:50   is the deal with methadone [TS]

00:31:51   how does it feel in the life of somebody [TS]

00:31:54   who is not currently taking heroin and [TS]

00:31:58   methadone is a synthetic opioid [TS]

00:32:05   and it's like so you've got your hair [TS]

00:32:10   when you're on your up and down you're [TS]

00:32:12   going to get high and then here then [TS]

00:32:17   you're getting low [TS]

00:32:20   you're not getting low and and you [TS]

00:32:23   develop a kind of tolerance for the drug [TS]

00:32:27   and you're not getting as high anymore [TS]

00:32:28   begin lower and lower and you want to [TS]

00:32:34   get off the heroin and so if you take [TS]

00:32:38   the heroine away and don't you know just [TS]

00:32:42   take it away they need then you have bad [TS]

00:32:45   withdrawals and you see it is really [TS]

00:32:47   like is it was just like trainspotting [TS]

00:32:48   like you get extremely so you see a [TS]

00:32:50   robot baby walking on the ceiling you do [TS]

00:32:54   it's it's terrible and it's also [TS]

00:32:55   physical like you can I mean you can die [TS]

00:32:58   from withdrawals you can actually like [TS]

00:33:00   it could be so bad i remember when i [TS]

00:33:02   first heard i am all prime Angus a [TS]

00:33:04   little bit the first hearing like yeah [TS]

00:33:06   you know you can be psychologically [TS]

00:33:08   addicted to marijuana you can be an [TS]

00:33:09   alcoholic you can get addicted to [TS]

00:33:11   cocaine but everybody says opioids and [TS]

00:33:13   heroin is very different because I'm not [TS]

00:33:15   the changes your cell structure but it [TS]

00:33:17   does something physical to you where you [TS]

00:33:19   do actually need heroin in order to not [TS]

00:33:22   feel sick [TS]

00:33:23   yeah yes the truest like the truest [TS]

00:33:25   addiction and so what methadone does it [TS]

00:33:29   goes in there you take it and it goes in [TS]

00:33:31   there and it's like it's a kind of its [TS]

00:33:35   slow steady it fills the it fills the [TS]

00:33:41   whole you know what Phil it fills up the [TS]

00:33:45   sickness like it keeps the sickness at [TS]

00:33:47   bay but it doesn't get all the way to [TS]

00:33:51   your not all the way to euphoria it just [TS]

00:33:54   it just kind of fills in the low spots [TS]

00:33:57   and lets you get on with your get on [TS]

00:34:01   with getting on you're not you're not [TS]

00:34:04   clean by any means but you're not you're [TS]

00:34:07   not on the crazy up and down cycle and [TS]

00:34:09   then the premise is that you can slowly [TS]

00:34:12   reduce the amount of methadone until you [TS]

00:34:16   are [TS]

00:34:17   office and you can you know you can [TS]

00:34:20   kinda can't slowly wean yourself off a [TS]

00:34:23   heroine quite it's quite the same way [TS]

00:34:25   but with hair with methadone you put in [TS]

00:34:26   there and then you just over time start [TS]

00:34:29   less and less and less and you can just [TS]

00:34:32   sort of coast to the ground if you're [TS]

00:34:34   also practicing the the premise that [TS]

00:34:37   you're trying you know if you doing all [TS]

00:34:39   the other hard work of trying to live in [TS]

00:34:42   the straight world but a lot of people [TS]

00:34:45   get on methadone and they just stay on [TS]

00:34:46   for years because they never quite they [TS]

00:34:50   don't actually want to quite coast to [TS]

00:34:52   the all the way to the ground you know [TS]

00:34:54   it's a it's a it's an interim there are [TS]

00:34:57   a lot of schools of thought on this you [TS]

00:34:58   want to get off a heroine in there you [TS]

00:35:01   know there are those people that let go [TS]

00:35:02   change themselves to a bed somewhere and [TS]

00:35:04   say no matter what you hear come through [TS]

00:35:06   this door don't open it don't unlock [TS]

00:35:08   this door no matter what I say and then [TS]

00:35:11   and you know that happens to a lot of [TS]

00:35:13   people that get sent to jail right they [TS]

00:35:15   they come down the hard way and then [TS]

00:35:18   there's this other way which is like [TS]

00:35:20   under the supervision of a clinic you [TS]

00:35:24   kind of get the you get the the sink the [TS]

00:35:29   slow coast but you have to be doing for [TS]

00:35:33   to work you have to be doing all this [TS]

00:35:34   other work you can't just go and get [TS]

00:35:37   your and I've known a lot of people who [TS]

00:35:39   go and get it must be behavioral and [TS]

00:35:41   like just to hang with like there must [TS]

00:35:42   be so many changes beyond just feeling [TS]

00:35:44   of self sounds you're saying method down [TS]

00:35:46   it fills up or ameliorate the the the [TS]

00:35:50   extreme physical problems that not had [TS]

00:35:52   taking heroin but it also it gives you [TS]

00:35:55   take the edge off a little bit not as [TS]

00:35:57   much as obviously getting the heroin but [TS]

00:35:58   it's it's not fun but it'sit's something [TS]

00:36:02   yeah i mean you know i think it's not i [TS]

00:36:07   think it's not like super fun fun but [TS]

00:36:10   it's but it's not you know you're not [TS]

00:36:15   like getting the getting the mega mega [TS]

00:36:18   fly who but but you don't but you can [TS]

00:36:21   just sit in and take your methadone and [TS]

00:36:24   and still like [TS]

00:36:27   and still be living the life you know [TS]

00:36:29   what I mean like maybe you're not maybe [TS]

00:36:31   you're not shooting up but you are just [TS]

00:36:33   you're you're you're also not on the [TS]

00:36:37   straight and narrow and you know what [TS]

00:36:42   so what I when I started thinking about [TS]

00:36:43   is like why what is it about us where we [TS]

00:36:48   want people to be on the straight and [TS]

00:36:50   narrow [TS]

00:36:51   what is it about what is it about us as [TS]

00:36:53   a collective as a people that we as you [TS]

00:37:00   say approach it with from such a digital [TS]

00:37:03   binary idea right like the amount of [TS]

00:37:07   money we poor and not just money but [TS]

00:37:10   effort emotional effort like energy [TS]

00:37:13   focus that we pour into the notion that [TS]

00:37:18   um that we want people to get clean and [TS]

00:37:24   in the meantime if they're not clean [TS]

00:37:29   we're not going to provide any services [TS]

00:37:30   to them [TS]

00:37:32   we're going to exclude them from the [TS]

00:37:34   from life we're going to push them onto [TS]

00:37:37   the street [TS]

00:37:38   we're going to record you know we're [TS]

00:37:39   going to insist that that they be kept [TS]

00:37:42   out such that they become criminal [TS]

00:37:45   they're forced to rob to support their [TS]

00:37:48   habits their living in squalor they're [TS]

00:37:51   spreading disease and uh among [TS]

00:37:53   themselves you know we absolutely [TS]

00:37:56   exclude them if they are getting high [TS]

00:37:58   and this isn't addressing the mental [TS]

00:38:01   health problem which is which we [TS]

00:38:04   approach in a similar vein yet [TS]

00:38:06   absolutely where it's just like you are [TS]

00:38:08   not taking your medication you are not [TS]

00:38:10   you know undergoing treatment therefore [TS]

00:38:13   you are absolutely excluded and then we [TS]

00:38:16   we seem to be content we tisk tisk right [TS]

00:38:23   but we are content to see people living [TS]

00:38:27   it absolutely torturous lives in squalor [TS]

00:38:34   and and you just [TS]

00:38:37   cover I mean you see people every once [TS]

00:38:39   in a while we just covered with sores [TS]

00:38:41   yeah yeah we get that a lot here when [TS]

00:38:43   the man math is math is pretty rough on [TS]

00:38:45   a body all there's there the meth sores [TS]

00:38:48   but there are the sores of like of [TS]

00:38:52   complete hygiene failure right you know [TS]

00:38:55   where you are where you're scratching [TS]

00:38:58   yourself and then you get to get sores [TS]

00:39:01   and and you know your you just are like [TS]

00:39:04   it's almost medieval looking somebody [TS]

00:39:09   walking through the center of of a [TS]

00:39:11   wealthy prosperous city and you just [TS]

00:39:12   have this person that seems like they're [TS]

00:39:14   gonna like a leper [TS]

00:39:16   yeah they're from a plague-ridden a time [TS]

00:39:19   and it's all it all kind of comes back [TS]

00:39:23   to the idea that we have as a like [TS]

00:39:26   culturally which feels to me like a very [TS]

00:39:30   Calvinist premise or a boar or Catholic [TS]

00:39:34   one even yeah that's what I was gonna [TS]

00:39:36   say yeah yeah you are you are out [TS]

00:39:40   you do not accept our are with you or [TS]

00:39:44   not you know he's done except the you're [TS]

00:39:48   not saved and so therefore you are [TS]

00:39:51   you're out and I think about like we [TS]

00:39:54   have all this new energy which is which [TS]

00:39:59   I think of his 20th century energy which [TS]

00:40:01   is all these people who have decided [TS]

00:40:03   that they are agnostics or atheists they [TS]

00:40:06   are living in a world unburdened by by [TS]

00:40:13   mythology and by the sort of what they [TS]

00:40:18   imagine is this you know this link [TS]

00:40:21   prehistoric dumbness like they finally [TS]

00:40:24   they've read Nietzsche and they have a [TS]

00:40:28   they've been to college they've worked [TS]

00:40:30   at a software place for a while and they [TS]

00:40:34   are above all this and they can see with [TS]

00:40:36   clarity but we're still none of us [TS]

00:40:40   saying can we eliminate this [TS]

00:40:44   this is binary notion that you either [TS]

00:40:48   that successful people deserve their [TS]

00:40:51   success because they worked hard and the [TS]

00:40:54   ones that don't work hard deserve their [TS]

00:40:57   squalor or successful people deserve [TS]

00:41:01   their success because of whatever other [TS]

00:41:04   conditions you put on it but there are [TS]

00:41:06   all these people that just like if they [TS]

00:41:08   don't if they can't if they can't get up [TS]

00:41:10   in the morning and and make it to their [TS]

00:41:12   minimum wage job then fuck them [TS]

00:41:15   it's it's it's a it's crazy and it's too [TS]

00:41:19   bad that atheism has attached itself to [TS]

00:41:22   libertarianism so closely although maybe [TS]

00:41:26   there may be there there's their clothes [TS]

00:41:30   their brethren the philosophical [TS]

00:41:32   brethren and so I guess it makes sense [TS]

00:41:34   but you would you would hope that they [TS]

00:41:36   would be a kind of compassionate version [TS]

00:41:39   of this humanistic thought that where [TS]

00:41:43   that we've spent the last hundred years [TS]

00:41:44   kind of working [TS]

00:41:47   yeah every and every off-the-shelf [TS]

00:41:50   explanation that i can come up with for [TS]

00:41:53   why we allow this to go on or why we [TS]

00:41:55   allow it to feel OK or well get this in [TS]

00:41:59   a second comes from in my head traces [TS]

00:42:04   back unintentionally unconsciously to [TS]

00:42:07   some kind of this is not a slam against [TS]

00:42:11   religion but it but it is it does go [TS]

00:42:13   back to the ideas of religious [TS]

00:42:15   fundamentalism of various sorts from [TS]

00:42:18   another time and I'm that could be [TS]

00:42:20   something from a hundred years ago that [TS]

00:42:22   could be something from hundreds of [TS]

00:42:23   years ago on the one hand there's a [TS]

00:42:26   certain kind of basic tribalism where if [TS]

00:42:28   there's somebody who is the other in our [TS]

00:42:29   tribe who is not contributing I think [TS]

00:42:32   there's a very natural reaction of [TS]

00:42:34   saying that mean whether the other for a [TS]

00:42:36   reason like either they're marked or you [TS]

00:42:39   know what I mean they've received the [TS]

00:42:40   mark there like they're bad news [TS]

00:42:42   they've got their left-handed or where [TS]

00:42:44   they done something to deserve this like [TS]

00:42:46   God knows why they're this way i'm not [TS]

00:42:48   saying religious people today believe [TS]

00:42:50   this i'm saying this is the result of a [TS]

00:42:52   certain kind of toxic religious [TS]

00:42:54   socio-political connection over hundreds [TS]

00:42:57   of years that word [TS]

00:42:58   not entirely comfortable admitting still [TS]

00:42:59   exists to some extent [TS]

00:43:01   um so one of those is that person is the [TS]

00:43:04   way they are because reasons and that's [TS]

00:43:07   way beyond what we need to understand [TS]

00:43:08   here but obviously there's a reason why [TS]

00:43:10   that's the way it is an eye on the way [TS]

00:43:11   that I am I think that's one really [TS]

00:43:13   basic one and there's another one [TS]

00:43:15   there's a reason that's right there's a [TS]

00:43:17   reason but it's got maybe God's reason [TS]

00:43:19   and we don't always understand God's [TS]

00:43:20   reasons but these things do happen as we [TS]

00:43:23   see around us every day there's a reason [TS]

00:43:24   why everything happens the way it is [TS]

00:43:25   otherwise it wouldn't happen the way it [TS]

00:43:27   does so my my good fortune is explained [TS]

00:43:29   by the fact that god likes me and their [TS]

00:43:31   good fortune is explained by the bad [TS]

00:43:33   fortune is explained by the fact that [TS]

00:43:34   they're marked for some reason but then [TS]

00:43:36   you get into other kinds of things that [TS]

00:43:37   I think you don't have to look back more [TS]

00:43:39   than a hundred or a couple hundred years [TS]

00:43:40   to see and and one of those is that why [TS]

00:43:43   can't we why can't we have more than a [TS]

00:43:44   digital opinion about this how can we [TS]

00:43:46   let people like like continue to live [TS]

00:43:49   like that [TS]

00:43:50   I think it's it there's there's [TS]

00:43:53   something like why do we have to put [TS]

00:43:56   them in jail is one like why is it that [TS]

00:43:58   we can't help these people and there's I [TS]

00:44:01   don't I can't trace it to any specific [TS]

00:44:02   religion or denomination exactly with [TS]

00:44:06   without being overly dramatic but I i [TS]

00:44:09   think there is something to saying that [TS]

00:44:11   if this person wanted to be saved they [TS]

00:44:14   know the path like they have chosen like [TS]

00:44:17   let's say they had bad fortune right now [TS]

00:44:19   maybe looked in smile on them while they [TS]

00:44:20   that ample opportunities to understand [TS]

00:44:22   how to be part of our culture and [TS]

00:44:24   because there's something a [TS]

00:44:26   fundamentally wrong with them [TS]

00:44:27   probably but B also that they were they [TS]

00:44:30   refuse to convert em they are living on [TS]

00:44:35   the streets and in the condition because [TS]

00:44:37   they because they haven't converted and [TS]

00:44:39   if they converted we would be able to [TS]

00:44:41   help them [TS]

00:44:42   it's just that there maybe they have [TS]

00:44:44   weak character maybe they you know [TS]

00:44:46   whatever but even if you're a slightly [TS]

00:44:47   more advanced idiot you would look at [TS]

00:44:49   that and go where there's still a reason [TS]

00:44:51   why that's the way they are and and [TS]

00:44:53   really you can come all the way up into [TS]

00:44:55   the say no to drugs era to show just the [TS]

00:44:58   fundamental misunderstandings about how [TS]

00:45:00   we treat people and we're talking about [TS]

00:45:02   here we're talking about disease from [TS]

00:45:03   poverty we're talking about class we're [TS]

00:45:05   talking about drug abuse or substance [TS]

00:45:07   abuse for large but I mean they would [TS]

00:45:10   take five shows to talk about this but [TS]

00:45:11   there [TS]

00:45:11   as part of my gut that goes you change [TS]

00:45:14   just a couple dates and nouns and titles [TS]

00:45:17   in this and it really does it sounds a [TS]

00:45:19   lot like something from the sixteen [TS]

00:45:20   hundreds that this person she cannot be [TS]

00:45:23   allowed to be part of this group because [TS]

00:45:25   because they have not converted to what [TS]

00:45:28   the group needs them to do [TS]

00:45:30   therefore they are now the other and [TS]

00:45:32   they are dangerous and spending [TS]

00:45:34   resources on them would not only be a [TS]

00:45:36   waste of the resources but it would be [TS]

00:45:38   antithetical to the laws that govern how [TS]

00:45:42   we work together [TS]

00:45:43   yeah where I mean we are a we're still [TS]

00:45:48   Charlemagne taking the Saxons down to [TS]

00:45:50   the river and a and cutting off their [TS]

00:45:54   heads if they don't if they don't do the [TS]

00:45:59   do the one right version of of life that [TS]

00:46:04   we have that we have in mind and and and [TS]

00:46:07   the this the you know secular humanism [TS]

00:46:10   has not done away with that idea so I [TS]

00:46:13   Drive past this methadone clinic and I [TS]

00:46:15   start to imagine i start to imagine a [TS]

00:46:21   world in which we say if you want to do [TS]

00:46:24   heroin that's fine and we have [TS]

00:46:29   determined through exhaustive studies [TS]

00:46:31   that the amount of money it what what [TS]

00:46:35   what masks in some what is that the [TS]

00:46:38   amount of money we spend on this whole [TS]

00:46:43   problem its disbursed among thousands of [TS]

00:46:49   sort of organizations that don't really [TS]

00:46:51   communicate with each other and we're [TS]

00:46:52   not able to say that the cost of the war [TS]

00:46:58   on drugs let's call it is not just the [TS]

00:47:03   amount of money that we pay Coast Guard [TS]

00:47:06   to go out and interdict boats that are [TS]

00:47:10   coming in to the from the bahamas like [TS]

00:47:13   we can we can put a cost on the war on [TS]

00:47:15   drugs in terms of like cost a lot of [TS]

00:47:17   money for those c-130 is to be flying [TS]

00:47:19   over central america with their downward [TS]

00:47:21   looking radar [TS]

00:47:22   but but the cost of the war on drugs is [TS]

00:47:25   actually like also all of these [TS]

00:47:27   ambulances and that we are constantly [TS]

00:47:30   schlepping people back and forth from [TS]

00:47:31   emergency rooms all the all the the jail [TS]

00:47:34   time all the cops just focused on drug [TS]

00:47:38   problems all of the costs of Breaking [TS]

00:47:42   and Entering and purse snatching and you [TS]

00:47:47   know and just like you you there's no [TS]

00:47:50   way to look at what the real costs are [TS]

00:47:53   but you can do can get close if you just [TS]

00:47:56   expand your vision and say like holy [TS]

00:47:59   shit this is bleeding us in a way and [TS]

00:48:02   also not solving the problem so okay you [TS]

00:48:06   want to do heroin you're a person who's [TS]

00:48:08   like discovered heroin and it feels good [TS]

00:48:10   and that's the first problem we don't [TS]

00:48:14   like people to feel good but so here's [TS]

00:48:18   what here's what we have for you we have [TS]

00:48:19   a we have this we have a farm beautiful [TS]

00:48:22   farm big farm and it encompasses [TS]

00:48:25   hundreds of acres there are a lot we [TS]

00:48:29   built lots of buildings there and it's [TS]

00:48:31   heroin farm and you go there and you [TS]

00:48:35   year you're on heroin there and we don't [TS]

00:48:39   ask you to pay any money we don't we [TS]

00:48:45   don't require that you do anything [TS]

00:48:46   you're a living person and you can go to [TS]

00:48:51   this place and be on heroin and you know [TS]

00:48:54   there there's enough of a medical staff [TS]

00:48:56   there that we you know we don't let you [TS]

00:48:58   die [TS]

00:49:01   although you know this is a kind of it's [TS]

00:49:04   a form of being away [TS]

00:49:07   you're certainly a way but the cost of [TS]

00:49:09   maintaining this for what is really a [TS]

00:49:13   pretty small proportion of people who [TS]

00:49:15   want to be on heroin [TS]

00:49:16   it's just worth it [TS]

00:49:19   it's just worth it for us that you not [TS]

00:49:22   be [TS]

00:49:24   it's where this fort worth it for us [TS]

00:49:27   that you not be causing problems in in [TS]

00:49:30   the in the town but it's also like this [TS]

00:49:33   is much easier going to be on heroin [TS]

00:49:34   anyway if you're living in a tent [TS]

00:49:36   other under the freeway or if you're [TS]

00:49:37   living in this hotel discount it's just [TS]

00:49:41   kind of like bunny Colvin's was going to [TS]

00:49:42   amsterdam in the lawyer [TS]

00:49:44   it's a little hamster Danny butBut [TS]

00:49:46   Hamsterdam you know still or about [TS]

00:49:48   selling and consuming it just kept going [TS]

00:49:50   and kept the squalor from from like [TS]

00:49:55   infecting the city that was it was more [TS]

00:49:57   of a containment unit will take it out [TS]

00:49:59   of the high-rises and moving over to [TS]

00:50:00   Hamsterdam and now you do what you want [TS]

00:50:02   in this you know on this island of lost [TS]

00:50:05   souls and you will not get arrested [TS]

00:50:07   yeah and but but also what it does is [TS]

00:50:10   you know there's a huge thing about drug [TS]

00:50:12   addicts right is that they have they're [TS]

00:50:15   not they do share a lot of [TS]

00:50:17   characteristics with one another and [TS]

00:50:19   some of those characteristics are like [TS]

00:50:22   alcoholics and drug addicts are selfish [TS]

00:50:25   people and they are there egotistical [TS]

00:50:29   people like it there's a there's a lot [TS]

00:50:31   of commonality that's why Alcoholics [TS]

00:50:32   Anonymous works is because they have [TS]

00:50:35   identified the fact that every single [TS]

00:50:37   alcoholic and drug addict feels like [TS]

00:50:39   they're special person they really all [TS]

00:50:40   do [TS]

00:50:41   I'm there's a kind of there's a there's [TS]

00:50:44   a there's a Colorado a lot of [TS]

00:50:47   commonality in the way that alcoholics [TS]

00:50:50   and drug addicts think which is what [TS]

00:50:53   makes it seem like a spiritual disease [TS]

00:50:56   and it's why we despise them so much [TS]

00:50:59   right because because very seldom does a [TS]

00:51:02   person of you know of [TS]

00:51:05   true humility become a raging alcoholic [TS]

00:51:08   either the alcohol turns them into an [TS]

00:51:11   asshole or they were an asshole to begin [TS]

00:51:13   with and that's something that fit that [TS]

00:51:14   even in even in AAA meetings there's a [TS]

00:51:16   lot of debate about you know where you [TS]

00:51:18   an asshole and then you were you born an [TS]

00:51:21   asshole and then became an alcoholic [TS]

00:51:22   because that's what happens or like the [TS]

00:51:24   huge douche bags and business [TS]

00:51:26   development and it seems like i was [TS]

00:51:28   intended for the other right right [TS]

00:51:30   which game started actually gonna be a [TS]

00:51:31   first and so that's part of the reason [TS]

00:51:34   that we don't want to that we can't [TS]

00:51:36   imagine just caring for them somewhere [TS]

00:51:39   because because they infuriate us like [TS]

00:51:43   each individual alcoholic comes from a [TS]

00:51:45   family that they have infuriated to the [TS]

00:51:47   point that they've been kicked out every [TS]

00:51:49   junkie [TS]

00:51:49   is already infuriating before they [TS]

00:51:51   became a junkie but so if you if you if [TS]

00:51:54   if you built this farm and you're like [TS]

00:51:56   you want to go sit and sit on a couch [TS]

00:51:58   all day and not off [TS]

00:51:59   um you know yeah that's fine we'll have [TS]

00:52:02   TVs there three squares a day it's going [TS]

00:52:06   to cost money it costs the town money to [TS]

00:52:10   sustain you there but and it's very hard [TS]

00:52:15   for some people in the town to imagine [TS]

00:52:17   that you guys are out here eating three [TS]

00:52:18   series and an intolerable just [TS]

00:52:21   intelligent it's going to drive them to [TS]

00:52:22   absolute distraction what did you do to [TS]

00:52:24   deserve this there are people working [TS]

00:52:26   hard wish i could sit around and be [TS]

00:52:27   addicted to heroin all the sure why the [TS]

00:52:29   fuck would you know why can't I be [TS]

00:52:31   addicted to heroin and said and the [TS]

00:52:32   thing is you can its open enrollment and [TS]

00:52:36   and what you discover is that people [TS]

00:52:38   don't want to 99.9 percent of the people [TS]

00:52:42   do not want to be addicted to heroin [TS]

00:52:43   sitting on a cash nodding off they just [TS]

00:52:45   don't if you said it's free and you can [TS]

00:52:47   do it [TS]

00:52:48   most people wouldn't include you know [TS]

00:52:50   including some junkies they go out there [TS]

00:52:53   they lived for a year they'd be like wow [TS]

00:52:54   this is amazing and then they too would [TS]

00:52:58   say you take away the the you take away [TS]

00:53:03   the thrill of persecution you take away [TS]

00:53:06   the from all the energy of the hunt and [TS]

00:53:11   the feeling of being hunted and that's [TS]

00:53:15   the thing that we never talk about its [TS]

00:53:17   apparent it's very hard to talk about [TS]

00:53:19   the feeling that that I had as an [TS]

00:53:21   alcoholic and and the thing that was [TS]

00:53:23   sort of propelling me toward a life on [TS]

00:53:26   the street which is which was a big part [TS]

00:53:29   of my early twenties like you know I was [TS]

00:53:32   dancing with the idea of being a street [TS]

00:53:37   person types i spent a lot of time sort [TS]

00:53:40   of seeking out the wisdom of the alley [TS]

00:53:43   and wondering whether or not i belong [TS]

00:53:46   there [TS]

00:53:47   and a big part of it was this idea of [TS]

00:53:50   like the truth of it the and that when [TS]

00:53:56   we talk about from a public health [TS]

00:53:58   standpoint we talk about junkies and [TS]

00:53:59   alcoholics and we think particularly [TS]

00:54:01   problematic street ones and these are [TS]

00:54:03   not this is separate from mental health [TS]

00:54:05   programs which is very difficult to do [TS]

00:54:07   but you know to have the conversation [TS]

00:54:09   you have separated [TS]

00:54:10   yeah there's a lot of overlap but a big [TS]

00:54:13   part of that big part of that overlap is [TS]

00:54:16   like you know how many of what we're at [TS]

00:54:21   what point do these ideas trend over [TS]

00:54:23   into mental illness and it isn't a clear [TS]

00:54:28   there isn't a clear line between bipolar [TS]

00:54:31   2 and bipolar one you know there isn't a [TS]

00:54:34   clear line there's a clear the [TS]

00:54:36   schizophrenia is like okay yeah [TS]

00:54:38   hello you are having a full-on [TS]

00:54:41   schizophrenic episode but the bass [TS]

00:54:44   player of Rage Against the Machine [TS]

00:54:46   believes that we did not land on the [TS]

00:54:48   moon so much that he is willing to [TS]

00:54:51   confront Buzz Aldrin in the public [TS]

00:54:53   square and yell at him about the fact [TS]

00:54:56   the fact that we faked the moon landing [TS]

00:54:58   and if he believes so strongly that we [TS]

00:55:00   faked the moon landing he has to believe [TS]

00:55:02   in whole castle of prior notions about [TS]

00:55:08   what the world how the world is actually [TS]

00:55:10   transacted that we faked the moon [TS]

00:55:13   landing right then he also believes that [TS]

00:55:15   we have that there's a secret great [TS]

00:55:18   government that is in thrall to who [TS]

00:55:20   knows what but is he is gets a frantic [TS]

00:55:22   he sounds like one but he's the bass [TS]

00:55:25   player of Rage Against the Machine and [TS]

00:55:26   he lives in a house and he has money and [TS]

00:55:28   you know like where-- where is the line [TS]

00:55:30   between him and a guy who's standing on [TS]

00:55:31   the street corner pulling his hair [TS]

00:55:32   saying then we break the mold landing [TS]

00:55:34   right so but but [TS]

00:55:38   so the idea of like and and junkies [TS]

00:55:41   aside like we've still we have one here [TS]

00:55:43   in Seattle a housing complex for chronic [TS]

00:55:48   alcoholics where they are allowed to [TS]

00:55:49   drink [TS]

00:55:51   and we and we finally built it because [TS]

00:55:55   it was just like these guys we they're [TS]

00:55:58   released from the emergency room they go [TS]

00:55:59   immediately to the first package store [TS]

00:56:01   and bottle up by a bottle of md 2020 and [TS]

00:56:04   there then they're passed out again in a [TS]

00:56:07   dumpster in the back in the emergency [TS]

00:56:08   room 24 hours [TS]

00:56:10   yeah let's just put them let's just put [TS]

00:56:12   them all in a building we did and it's [TS]

00:56:13   been an amazing success but there's a [TS]

00:56:17   waiting list thousand years for this [TS]

00:56:18   thing so what do you do if you just what [TS]

00:56:22   happens if you build a really nice for [TS]

00:56:24   you take over some old Catholic retreat [TS]

00:56:26   or some old high school somewhere and [TS]

00:56:27   you just say this is going to be a place [TS]

00:56:29   where people can just go [TS]

00:56:30   the downstairs is going to be a bier [TS]

00:56:32   stube and it's and it's not going to be [TS]

00:56:36   squalid we're going to clean it up we're [TS]

00:56:38   gonna have TVs that are playing sports [TS]

00:56:40   ball and you can come and there's just [TS]

00:56:43   beer there's just free beer beer is [TS]

00:56:45   cheap to make and there's lots and lots [TS]

00:56:47   of shitty beer that beer companies would [TS]

00:56:49   donate and just remove the and again all [TS]

00:56:53   the outcry all I'd like to just sit [TS]

00:56:55   around all day and drink beer will find [TS]

00:56:56   here it is [TS]

00:56:57   you know like go for it you have a you [TS]

00:57:00   have a sort of monastic sell you don't [TS]

00:57:02   have a lot of form to go to the soup [TS]

00:57:03   kitchen [TS]

00:57:04   it's just that you would probably prefer [TS]

00:57:05   to go somewhere else yeah right and you [TS]

00:57:07   would prefer ultimately not to live in a [TS]

00:57:10   universe very small room with a bathroom [TS]

00:57:12   down the hall and just getting our drink [TS]

00:57:14   assumptions behind stuff that we rarely [TS]

00:57:18   prod at 22 much so and I mean that I [TS]

00:57:22   guess the closest thing I think I'm [TS]

00:57:23   afraid like you know sunk cost fallacy [TS]

00:57:24   you know it would be a dishonor to all [TS]

00:57:27   the people who died in iraq and [TS]

00:57:29   afghanistan to get out of Iraq and [TS]

00:57:30   Afghanistan haha right you know [TS]

00:57:34   yeah oh yeah it was it would dishonor [TS]

00:57:36   them so much all the people all the [TS]

00:57:38   people who died in this in this in this [TS]

00:57:40   horrible war we have to show them honor [TS]

00:57:42   by having more people die in this [TS]

00:57:44   horrible war and this also you know [TS]

00:57:46   there's a less emotional versions of [TS]

00:57:48   this with things like you know there's [TS]

00:57:49   this car that I probably should have [TS]

00:57:51   sold five years ago and now I have to [TS]

00:57:53   decide whether to put a new timing belt [TS]

00:57:56   well you know I just got the air [TS]

00:57:57   conditioning fixed a couple months ago I [TS]

00:57:59   should probably get the timing belt [TS]

00:58:00   fixed on the one hand that makes a lot [TS]

00:58:02   of sense on the other hand that's really [TS]

00:58:03   not race [TS]

00:58:04   possible so you know if you go in you go [TS]

00:58:07   like look at I mean it's in this really [TS]

00:58:09   is kind of like the wire writ large in a [TS]

00:58:11   lot of ways my studies that phrase writ [TS]

00:58:12   large now but but you know you think [TS]

00:58:14   about everything we poured into this and [TS]

00:58:16   what the stakes are too it not going [TS]

00:58:17   well the last thing in the world you're [TS]

00:58:19   going to do is have a beer stoop in with [TS]

00:58:21   with donated beer for for people who [TS]

00:58:23   don't quote unquote deserve it because [TS]

00:58:25   like we have a lot invested there's a [TS]

00:58:28   lot of a lot of our own history and [TS]

00:58:31   dignity invested in this idea of this [TS]

00:58:33   thing being a terrible thing all of [TS]

00:58:35   those planes that were using and all of [TS]

00:58:37   those those resources are being used to [TS]

00:58:39   fight this war without asking the really [TS]

00:58:42   dumb John Rother a question of like well [TS]

00:58:43   you know what if what if this work [TS]

00:58:46   what if we hadn't made this into a [TS]

00:58:48   criminal enterprise we look at that as a [TS]

00:58:50   criminal enterprise now but why was [TS]

00:58:53   heroin illegal because we don't like [TS]

00:58:54   chinese people that's why heroines [TS]

00:58:56   illegal right let's let's go way back to [TS]

00:58:58   work why a whole bunch of stuff is [TS]

00:59:00   illegal because white guys didn't like [TS]

00:59:02   the people who are doing it and then now [TS]

00:59:04   today now well how are we doing with [TS]

00:59:07   that so you know but then there's the [TS]

00:59:10   one phase which is like how do you talk [TS]

00:59:11   people out of the criminality of all [TS]

00:59:13   this stuff and saying like well maybe [TS]

00:59:14   there should be a crime but the other [TS]

00:59:16   the other shoe that goes with that other [TS]

00:59:18   foot isn't what we then how do we treat [TS]

00:59:20   these people as human beings if we [TS]

00:59:22   decided they're not actually criminals [TS]

00:59:23   both of which require a lot of walking [TS]

00:59:25   back on previous philosophies and a lot [TS]

00:59:29   of essentially eating crow about [TS]

00:59:32   something that used to have a real [TS]

00:59:33   strong feeling about the night there's [TS]

00:59:35   not that many people in position of [TS]

00:59:36   power who want to be the one to put up [TS]

00:59:38   the bierstube right right well like for [TS]

00:59:41   instance we have made we have made pot [TS]

00:59:44   legal here now you can go into a pot [TS]

00:59:48   store show your ID that you are 18 i [TS]

00:59:52   guess or 21 I don't know what the [TS]

00:59:53   I've never been into one of these things [TS]

00:59:55   i would go to fucking gross a spot store [TS]

00:59:57   but if you want to [TS]

00:59:57   but if you want to [TS]

01:00:00   you can go in and and they're not gross [TS]

01:00:02   they're clean and and they're beautiful [TS]

01:00:05   and the amount the number of pots they [TS]

01:00:07   have exceeds the number of pops that you [TS]

01:00:11   could imagine and because pot technology [TS]

01:00:15   has you know has had all these years 40 [TS]

01:00:18   years of people crossbreeding pots there [TS]

01:00:22   are now I think the general level of [TS]

01:00:26   stoney stoney pneus in the pots is like [TS]

01:00:31   Ludacris right i mean what even when I [TS]

01:00:33   was in high school and college they were [TS]

01:00:36   still you can buy shake right you can [TS]

01:00:38   sit around roll a joint out of some [TS]

01:00:40   shake smoke pot all afternoon and get a [TS]

01:00:43   kind of hazy cool buzz where you could [TS]

01:00:46   you know a trick in light beer [TS]

01:00:48   I mean it's not it's a pivoting light [TS]

01:00:50   beer and like you know shotgunning [TS]

01:00:53   everclear yeah but even more i know i [TS]

01:00:56   mean though the idea of the [TS]

01:00:57   quote-unquote one hit shit when I was in [TS]

01:00:58   college vs now I can't even imagine the [TS]

01:01:01   parents know I look at people who are [TS]

01:01:03   baked now and I go I know how baked you [TS]

01:01:06   are and I've been that baked but i'm not [TS]

01:01:10   even sure i have right like I he [TS]

01:01:12   wouldn't remember it back in back 20 [TS]

01:01:15   years ago when I quit smoking pot I had [TS]

01:01:17   smoked all the crazy University of [TS]

01:01:19   Washington you know let laboratory pot I [TS]

01:01:23   had smoked the mountains and perfect i [TS]

01:01:28   had smoked the top shelf shit in [TS]

01:01:30   Amsterdam all the you know the northern [TS]

01:01:34   lights and all the like I had sought out [TS]

01:01:37   and found the gnarliest shit including [TS]

01:01:39   some black cash that I smoked in a in [TS]

01:01:43   tarifa spain which literally made me [TS]

01:01:47   feel like I was levitating above my own [TS]

01:01:50   body in a hotel room in tarifa by I had [TS]

01:01:54   this you know like this experience where [TS]

01:01:57   I could not believe it i was speaking to [TS]

01:02:00   mother Mary and she was speaking back to [TS]

01:02:02   me and I was floating above my body and [TS]

01:02:06   laughing with joy [TS]

01:02:08   but i don't i think you could probably [TS]

01:02:10   get that high off a pot that you buy [TS]

01:02:12   interest in just a store now I think [TS]

01:02:14   it's the it is to chronic it has become [TS]

01:02:18   insane and they need to scale it back [TS]

01:02:20   they need to breed some pot 44 olds they [TS]

01:02:25   need to breathe some pot for chill [TS]

01:02:27   people who just want to smoke some weed [TS]

01:02:29   like 32 pot some 32 pot exactly but in [TS]

01:02:32   any case so we have these parts stores [TS]

01:02:34   but we have very very we have a lot of [TS]

01:02:38   rules about them and one of the crucial [TS]

01:02:40   rules is no smoking pot at the pot store [TS]

01:02:44   it's not a pot cafe it's a pot story by [TS]

01:02:47   the pot it's a package store then you [TS]

01:02:49   take the pot away and we used to have [TS]

01:02:52   liquor stores in Washington which were [TS]

01:02:53   not bars obviously buy liquor in this [TS]

01:02:56   grocery store you can't drink it there [TS]

01:02:57   but there are also bars where you buy [TS]

01:03:01   liquor and you drink them [TS]

01:03:03   uh-huh you drink the liquors because you [TS]

01:03:06   want to do that with other people you [TS]

01:03:07   don't want to just take your your bottle [TS]

01:03:09   back to your SRO it's your harmful right [TS]

01:03:13   right but we don't because first of all [TS]

01:03:16   we've made it illegal to smoke in public [TS]

01:03:18   and pot is illegal is split smoke like [TS]

01:03:23   tobacco but I swear to you [TS]

01:03:27   ninety percent of the people who are [TS]

01:03:29   buying pot want to open it right there [TS]

01:03:32   sit down at a at a picnic table in a [TS]

01:03:35   kind of dark place order coffee roll a [TS]

01:03:39   joint smoke it and watch the music video [TS]

01:03:43   for division bell live [TS]

01:03:46   Pink Floyd mega lightshow guitar solo [TS]

01:03:50   wake fest they want to just watch that [TS]

01:03:54   and trip out but not at home they want [TS]

01:03:58   to be sitting at a table having a copy [TS]

01:03:59   and somebody comes over like a man we [TS]

01:04:01   smoking [TS]

01:04:02   you're like a good sum sum of this book [TS]

01:04:04   in maui wowie man what do you got [TS]

01:04:06   ooh you know did they just want to be [TS]

01:04:08   around people but that's illegal you [TS]

01:04:11   cannot chill [TS]

01:04:12   basically we have made it so you can [TS]

01:04:14   chill [TS]

01:04:16   and why I mean I understand from a [TS]

01:04:21   public health standpoint you know [TS]

01:04:23   because the people that are serving [TS]

01:04:25   coffee in this place would be exposed to [TS]

01:04:27   secondhand smoke and that violates all [TS]

01:04:29   of these municipal codes that we've [TS]

01:04:33   established which I agree with right I'd [TS]

01:04:35   when they took cigarettes out of rock [TS]

01:04:37   clubs it improved my life a thousand [TS]

01:04:40   percent as a performing artist right you [TS]

01:04:43   stand up on the stage and people aren't [TS]

01:04:45   blowing Winston's in your face and [TS]

01:04:49   you're like fuck this is amazing why did [TS]

01:04:51   we do this a thousand years ago but in [TS]

01:04:54   the in that process we also made it [TS]

01:04:55   illegal for people to go to have a bar [TS]

01:04:57   that's like called smoking bar where [TS]

01:05:01   everybody in there just wants to smoke [TS]

01:05:02   the bartender wants to smoke you know [TS]

01:05:04   but that we we've eliminated that from [TS]

01:05:06   contention you cannot choose to do that [TS]

01:05:09   now you guys think you can study that [TS]

01:05:10   San Francisco if its owner operated oh [TS]

01:05:13   yes yes smoking the smoking is actually [TS]

01:05:15   an employment health lock interesting so [TS]

01:05:18   you can choose i don't know it's still [TS]

01:05:21   the case but in there couple bars [TS]

01:05:22   there's a place called Amber in the [TS]

01:05:23   castro really fun bar there was a [TS]

01:05:25   smoking place and then not the chieftain [TS]

01:05:27   but what the other places but no that's [TS]

01:05:30   still pretty rare [TS]

01:05:32   you can smoke weed before you can smoke [TS]

01:05:33   a cigarette and a bar here [TS]

01:05:35   yeah well and so and I do I smell weed [TS]

01:05:37   in bars now moral and I smell weed [TS]

01:05:39   everywhere now [TS]

01:05:40   Oh God but what if you just if you know [TS]

01:05:43   if you just said like we are going to [TS]

01:05:46   build a bier stube down in the south end [TS]

01:05:50   of town [TS]

01:05:51   it's going to be 40,000 square feet a [TS]

01:05:56   giant hall it's going to it's going to [TS]

01:05:58   look like look like a beer hall in [TS]

01:06:01   munich except instead of pretzels [TS]

01:06:04   we're going to serve a kitten pieces of [TS]

01:06:09   wedding cake or whatever it is that [TS]

01:06:11   donors one right they want something [TS]

01:06:14   they want like chocolate pudding and I [TS]

01:06:17   don't you know I mountain dew I don't [TS]

01:06:19   it's been so long since I've been a [TS]

01:06:20   stoner I don't even remember what you [TS]

01:06:21   want SpaghettiOs [TS]

01:06:23   I don't know but we're going to just [TS]

01:06:25   have it is gonna be psychedelic music [TS]

01:06:27   playing or reggae [TS]

01:06:28   then and you can just get baked and [TS]

01:06:34   their couches and stuff like that place [TS]

01:06:36   would be jammed [TS]

01:06:38   yeah but we just can't picture it and [TS]

01:06:42   and then you amp that up and say like no [TS]

01:06:45   that's going to be that's going to be [TS]

01:06:46   booze but it's going to be free to be [TS]

01:06:50   free booze is going to be shitty [TS]

01:06:52   probably maybe not maybe it'll be fine [TS]

01:06:56   I mean but it's gonna be there's gonna [TS]

01:06:58   be just enough it's going to require a [TS]

01:07:00   commitment on your part like I don't [TS]

01:07:04   know if the commitment is you have to [TS]

01:07:05   live there [TS]

01:07:06   I feel like you shouldn't even have to [TS]

01:07:08   live there i feel like there should be [TS]

01:07:09   there should be a farm was just like [TS]

01:07:12   free beer farm i think people in America [TS]

01:07:16   don't like feeling like they're being [TS]

01:07:18   tricked or bamboozled and i think one [TS]

01:07:21   reason people would be against anything [TS]

01:07:23   like that is because it feels like a con [TS]

01:07:25   it feels like it's not fair it feels [TS]

01:07:27   like everybody else has to go out and [TS]

01:07:28   work for a living why should these [TS]

01:07:29   people get to do that and it's it's it's [TS]

01:07:32   comes from the kind of person who is [TS]

01:07:33   summer or somewhere between a child and [TS]

01:07:36   a parent in their in their mentality [TS]

01:07:39   about the about the planet there there [TS]

01:07:44   there enough of a child to worry about [TS]

01:07:45   whether everything is just and therefore [TS]

01:07:48   the parent to worry about whether it's [TS]

01:07:50   everything is unjust right i don't know [TS]

01:07:53   i'm not putting that well but people [TS]

01:07:55   anything if you actually truly cared [TS]

01:07:56   about people you would worry less about [TS]

01:07:58   appearances and your own personal [TS]

01:08:00   feelings about it and worry more about [TS]

01:08:02   how you can actually accomplish [TS]

01:08:03   something that's a little daring even if [TS]

01:08:05   it seems a little bit unusual like if if [TS]

01:08:08   if a billionaire [TS]

01:08:09   let's say Elon Musk Elon Musk is a great [TS]

01:08:12   example the billionaire here he is Elon [TS]

01:08:14   Musk he's he's working on a Hyperloop [TS]

01:08:17   train he's working on a spaceship [TS]

01:08:20   he's working on I saw a tesla today this [TS]

01:08:23   is that if I thought Tesla today with a [TS]

01:08:26   Deadhead sticker on cadillac no I saw a [TS]

01:08:28   tesla [TS]

01:08:29   with those you know those little batons [TS]

01:08:32   with the with your football team flag [TS]

01:08:34   that you put on the back window of your [TS]

01:08:36   car picking up above the car yeah that's [TS]

01:08:38   a terrific you have those down to san [TS]

01:08:40   francisco i'm guessing I'm sure [TS]

01:08:42   usually you don't know giant usually you [TS]

01:08:45   can see them honor on a blazer that has [TS]

01:08:49   maybe 26 inch rims but I saw them flying [TS]

01:08:53   on a Tesla today and I was just like wow [TS]

01:08:56   right before yesterday's have this [TS]

01:08:58   installed at the factory just put this [TS]

01:09:00   on yourself it's like having a Mercedes [TS]

01:09:02   or BMW [TS]

01:09:03   ya see how I can get our market flags [TS]

01:09:05   and stuff no no you have to buy it's the [TS]

01:09:07   seahawks branded one it's like it's like [TS]

01:09:09   the old eddie bauer ford explorer comes [TS]

01:09:12   with the it's embroidered on the seats [TS]

01:09:13   they sell that for pretty but they're [TS]

01:09:16   cutting on the fact that i'm talking [TS]

01:09:18   about manager but uh but so you on [TS]

01:09:22   mosques sitting there in his office is [TS]

01:09:24   trying to make the world better by [TS]

01:09:25   building may get mega a [TS]

01:09:28   technology-driven spoilage on what he's [TS]

01:09:31   doing this I think that he probably [TS]

01:09:33   right now has an IV and it's got vitamin [TS]

01:09:36   b complex it's got some sort of maybe [TS]

01:09:41   some like Hitler speed IC is getting a [TS]

01:09:45   very very tiny salad from the future [TS]

01:09:47   that none of us have heard about I think [TS]

01:09:49   I don't think he does with well yeah but [TS]

01:09:51   like environmental chopsticks made out [TS]

01:09:54   of like we recover titanium chopsticks [TS]

01:09:57   that light up that also convert C water [TS]

01:09:59   to fresh water [TS]

01:10:00   thank you but so for your salad work [TS]

01:10:04   there is he's sitting there with his [TS]

01:10:06   chopsticks he's got he's talking to [TS]

01:10:08   scarlett johansson except she's just a [TS]

01:10:11   model of scarlett o'hara and he says [TS]

01:10:16   scarlet you know i'm making all these [TS]

01:10:18   big projects i'm sending it i'm sending [TS]

01:10:20   sending like drones all-around [TS]

01:10:23   harvesting you know that I i I've [TS]

01:10:26   invented a drone that fulfills the role [TS]

01:10:28   of a bee in the almond industry so we [TS]

01:10:32   don't need bees we don't up my [TS]

01:10:34   chopsticks are making water so we don't [TS]

01:10:36   need water [TS]

01:10:36   what is my next project what do you [TS]

01:10:39   think hologram of scarlett johansson and [TS]

01:10:41   scarlett johansson goes [TS]

01:10:42   that's a very interesting question he'll [TS]

01:10:44   on your turn me on you could the little [TS]

01:10:50   max headroom like wow and then she says [TS]

01:10:55   why don't you build why don't you build [TS]

01:10:57   a sin farm [TS]

01:10:58   why don't you build a pleasure farm out [TS]

01:11:00   in the desert where people can just go [TS]

01:11:03   and it's a little bit [TS]

01:11:05   it's like the pits like the Polish post [TS]

01:11:07   office in gdansk before huh [TS]

01:11:10   it's an extra territorial space where we [TS]

01:11:17   mean we're not violating any laws but [TS]

01:11:20   it's it's a chicken farm let's say it [TS]

01:11:24   would be inconvenient as a boat because [TS]

01:11:26   you could get a ship and go out into [TS]

01:11:27   international waters [TS]

01:11:29   that's a lot of overhead for people who [TS]

01:11:30   don't have a place to live for a job [TS]

01:11:32   yeah and it's but that's for you know [TS]

01:11:33   that's where 17 level Satan's only mm [TS]

01:11:37   thanks I mean that's for but then we're [TS]

01:11:40   talking about what we're talking about [TS]

01:11:42   is a hey a place where even a even a [TS]

01:11:45   first-level like magic users are first [TS]

01:11:50   level druid first level through is our [TS]

01:11:52   first level mage who can go and just sit [TS]

01:11:56   in a big picnic table in the bierstube [TS]

01:11:58   drink some free beer smoke some ganj [TS]

01:12:01   maybe across the campus there's a place [TS]

01:12:04   where you can you can shoot up and be a [TS]

01:12:07   and not offer take it sounds a little [TS]

01:12:09   bit like almost like a miniature kind of [TS]

01:12:11   disney world is different areas to the [TS]

01:12:12   park with themes [TS]

01:12:14   yeah right there's there's old west end [TS]

01:12:15   to be replaced the old west horse town [TS]

01:12:17   where everyone's doing heroin right if [TS]

01:12:20   you've got the obviously you've got the [TS]

01:12:21   old Jonathan Antin beer hall area with [TS]

01:12:24   with your stupid minute [TS]

01:12:25   yeah the problem the problem I think is [TS]

01:12:27   that it would become us it would become [TS]

01:12:28   a destination for people around the [TS]

01:12:30   world [TS]

01:12:31   I like people besides pop or and [TS]

01:12:33   deranged people want to go there [TS]

01:12:34   well just like yeah people from Germany [TS]

01:12:36   be like that sounds good [TS]

01:12:38   you know it would kind of have to be a [TS]

01:12:39   movement where you would wear every town [TS]

01:12:42   would have a place every every you they [TS]

01:12:46   would be you know they'd be a new idea [TS]

01:12:51   in in the culture where it's just like [TS]

01:12:53   instead of [TS]

01:12:54   rehab facilities I mean the thing is [TS]

01:12:57   that if you want to get off heroin and [TS]

01:13:01   you are at one of these sin farms we [TS]

01:13:06   would also locate our methadone clinic [TS]

01:13:08   there and so if you want to reenter [TS]

01:13:12   society those facilities would be there [TS]

01:13:15   too if you want to get sober if you want [TS]

01:13:17   to go to Alcoholics Anonymous meetings [TS]

01:13:19   if you want to rejoin society we know [TS]

01:13:24   those facilities are here and we [TS]

01:13:26   encourage it but again your choice if [TS]

01:13:30   you don't you can go back down to the [TS]

01:13:32   lounge and and so what we're going to do [TS]

01:13:38   so we're going to stop trying to get you [TS]

01:13:39   to get clean by making you inhuman and [TS]

01:13:45   we're going to we're gonna offer you the [TS]

01:13:48   opportunity to get clean if that's what [TS]

01:13:49   you want and if you lost Elon Elon Musk [TS]

01:13:55   right well i think this has gone past [TS]

01:13:56   you on we have to go back to like we [TS]

01:13:59   have to go back to introducing this [TS]

01:14:00   conversation into the public sphere [TS]

01:14:02   where it becomes a kind of like you know [TS]

01:14:05   what we've tried everything nothing has [TS]

01:14:07   worked [TS]

01:14:09   we're still it's 2015 and we are still [TS]

01:14:13   dealing with drugs and alcohol as though [TS]

01:14:18   it's a as though it's a moral crisis and [TS]

01:14:23   you know we've taken away now talking [TS]

01:14:26   about the mental health side of things [TS]

01:14:28   like we have we no longer provide for [TS]

01:14:31   people who cannot live him in within [TS]

01:14:35   normal Collins quote unquote normal [TS]

01:14:39   culture we what we've eliminated all [TS]

01:14:41   services for them we won't house them [TS]

01:14:43   anymore [TS]

01:14:44   we won't we don't care for them who [TS]

01:14:47   people that just need to be maintained [TS]

01:14:50   you know that the Kennedy sister lived [TS]

01:14:55   in in an institution whole life the one [TS]

01:14:58   that they gave all right bottom right [TS]

01:15:01   yeah but if you can't if you're not a [TS]

01:15:04   Kennedy if you can't afford to be in a [TS]

01:15:06   for pee institution we're just [TS]

01:15:08   gonna let you go out on the street and [TS]

01:15:09   fend for yourself and and too bad for [TS]

01:15:13   you [TS]

01:15:14   that's the best the fallout from from [TS]

01:15:17   deciding that that some people were in [TS]

01:15:20   voluntarily institutionalized now all [TS]

01:15:22   the people that should be [TS]

01:15:23   institutionalized we're just gonna [TS]

01:15:24   that's all done and we have to ask the [TS]

01:15:27   insurance companies and the insurance [TS]

01:15:29   companies came back and said sorry had a [TS]

01:15:30   precondition existing condition so it so [TS]

01:15:34   you're going to be picking at your scabs [TS]

01:15:36   and throwing your poet people [TS]

01:15:37   yeah that's what that's what we've [TS]

01:15:40   decided so you know there's just there [TS]

01:15:43   is a need within human life for a place [TS]

01:15:47   for 44 there's a need with for the idea [TS]

01:15:52   that some people can't care for [TS]

01:15:54   themselves and and we don't and we care [TS]

01:15:59   for them without without judgment and I [TS]

01:16:05   don't know how to introduce that idea [TS]

01:16:08   particularly since caring for people is [TS]

01:16:13   a thing that we so often just say well [TS]

01:16:15   we'll let the religious people deal with [TS]

01:16:17   that will let the will let that [TS]

01:16:19   compassion industry deal with that and [TS]

01:16:23   the compassion industry is made up of [TS]

01:16:24   religious people with a with a very [TS]

01:16:28   strong sense of judgment and then all [TS]

01:16:31   the kind of methadone clinic people who [TS]

01:16:34   are medical who have a medical approach [TS]

01:16:36   to it [TS]

01:16:37   who but still premise on the idea that [TS]

01:16:39   we are trying to get you [TS]

01:16:42   we're trying to to get you from there to [TS]

01:16:46   here right with end and there's the [TS]

01:16:49   success or failure rate [TS]

01:16:51   alright alright it's definitely a [TS]

01:16:53   specific part of the theme park that [TS]

01:16:55   they would prefer you go to yeah right [TS]

01:16:58   you're headed out of the theme park is [TS]

01:16:59   where they want you to go [TS]

01:17:00   ya know and you know and I've sometimes [TS]

01:17:02   I think if I were alone musk maybe i [TS]

01:17:06   would go to the state of Nebraska uh-huh [TS]

01:17:11   where no one wants to live anymore the [TS]

01:17:14   state of Nebraska which largely should [TS]

01:17:16   be returned to a prairie state where all [TS]

01:17:20   the fences are taken down [TS]

01:17:21   the buffalo were allowed to roam free [TS]

01:17:23   and there are still some old people in a [TS]

01:17:27   bausch and lomb horn-rimmed glasses who [TS]

01:17:31   are standing in the center of their [TS]

01:17:32   empty town railing against the federal [TS]

01:17:37   government and you know just like [TS]

01:17:40   continuing paint quite a picture that's [TS]

01:17:43   continuing to farm soybeans even as the [TS]

01:17:46   giant robot combines move just like the [TS]

01:17:50   robot combines have a glitch in their [TS]

01:17:52   GPS and they just combine right over [TS]

01:17:54   their farmhouse and there's not other [TS]

01:17:56   than the operator is somewhere in [TS]

01:17:57   Chicago nobody even that i'm talking [TS]

01:18:00   about the future now at some point is [TS]

01:18:02   the last few minutes to turn into a beat [TS]

01:18:04   poet but I like where it's going [TS]

01:18:05   listen I actually broke down take you [TS]

01:18:09   down for the Buffalo to Rome Malik Malik [TS]

01:18:12   I remember you want with me down to my [TS]

01:18:19   beer Scoob saw the best minds of my [TS]

01:18:24   generation come by and by a robot [TS]

01:18:27   hysterical makeup theme park Elon Musk [TS]

01:18:30   so what if you went there and in there [TS]

01:18:32   lots and lots of people who want to go [TS]

01:18:34   up to North Dakota or Nebraska and by up [TS]

01:18:37   a-town and turn it into a white homeland [TS]

01:18:39   you do that so that is gonna get huger [TS]

01:18:41   and huger I think about that all the [TS]

01:18:44   time [TS]

01:18:44   once you get better ability to get good [TS]

01:18:46   internet way far out the middle places i [TS]

01:18:48   think more towns are going to be taken [TS]

01:18:49   over by nuts for sure [TS]

01:18:50   yeah just like hey this is you know what [TS]

01:18:52   just this part of North Dakota now is [TS]

01:18:54   for whites only and come at us [TS]

01:18:56   feds and the feds will just be like you [TS]

01:18:59   know what let's get actually know what [TS]

01:19:00   that's fine i thought you know yeah the [TS]

01:19:02   more the more angry and more angry [TS]

01:19:04   vindictive probably insane whites you [TS]

01:19:07   can get into this area the better off we [TS]

01:19:09   are our job will get easier if more of [TS]

01:19:11   you can be attracted here [TS]

01:19:13   yeah that's actually a good idea so it's [TS]

01:19:14   like a nag met somewhere in North Dakota [TS]

01:19:16   we draw we draw a circle and we say hey [TS]

01:19:20   guess what white homeland and then every [TS]

01:19:22   person that is that too [TS]

01:19:24   to whom the idea of a white homeland is [TS]

01:19:26   appealing they all go there and then [TS]

01:19:29   that's great that's fucking fantastic [TS]

01:19:30   like itself select crazy town [TS]

01:19:35   white homeland and then I don't know [TS]

01:19:37   whether in the middle of the night we [TS]

01:19:39   build a like us like a giant Berlin [TS]

01:19:43   drop-down like oil jar just like hey [TS]

01:19:46   guess what prison camp wow you didn't [TS]

01:19:49   see that coming and they're all in that [TS]

01:19:51   they got all their guns just bouncing [TS]

01:19:53   off the Belgian yeah and then pretty [TS]

01:19:55   soon [TS]

01:19:56   inevitably they start getting gun fights [TS]

01:19:58   with each other over like-like-like [TS]

01:20:00   minut like problems in the doctrine [TS]

01:20:04   well they just eliminate one another but [TS]

01:20:06   let's so let's so white homelands up [TS]

01:20:08   there definitely loved her but she would [TS]

01:20:10   you put that in front of Elon Musk it's [TS]

01:20:12   a good one [TS]

01:20:12   some interactive a proactive white [TS]

01:20:15   homeland instead of solo and tisk tisk [TS]

01:20:17   tisk to all of you terrible people know [TS]

01:20:19   we're gonna encouraging this we want we [TS]

01:20:20   want to basically build a giant land [TS]

01:20:22   father's mas to fly too well exactly a [TS]

01:20:24   mint and talk about building an Old West [TS]

01:20:26   town there [TS]

01:20:27   I mean just like give them exactly the [TS]

01:20:31   like flag wavin flag i will tell them [TS]

01:20:35   we'll have brochures you're gonna be [TS]

01:20:36   able to get souvenir spoons you can have [TS]

01:20:38   those big giant three wheeled [TS]

01:20:39   motorcycles you can ride around on the [TS]

01:20:42   baby sims will be still be black walmart [TS]

01:20:44   and Sam's there it's everything you want [TS]

01:20:46   to be giant parking spaces [TS]

01:20:48   oh fuck this is incredible you can put [TS]

01:20:50   as big a tailpipe on your diesel your [TS]

01:20:53   comings diesel dodge pickup as you want [TS]

01:20:55   the tailpipe could be as big as a [TS]

01:20:56   50-gallon drum there's literally no one [TS]

01:20:58   to say anything that trucks that nitric [TS]

01:21:00   that's not a problem just put those [TS]

01:21:01   anyone anything put them on your wife we [TS]

01:21:03   don't care biggest truck nuts with it [TS]

01:21:05   will have truck nuts the size of soccer [TS]

01:21:06   but if we erect proactively again erect [TS]

01:21:10   the largest truck nuts in the world we [TS]

01:21:11   make it one of our primary attractions [TS]

01:21:13   oh fuck yes you can see it 4,000 miles [TS]

01:21:15   and everyone that's not to come [TS]

01:21:17   haha come on white homeland you'd be [TS]

01:21:20   nuts not to come it's so so why don't [TS]

01:21:25   land up there but then somewhere a [TS]

01:21:26   little bit further south a where the you [TS]

01:21:30   know where the air is clean we build [TS]

01:21:32   another we just draw a big circle and [TS]

01:21:34   I'm talking about I'm talking about 500 [TS]

01:21:37   square miles right I'm not touch a big [TS]

01:21:39   circle [TS]

01:21:39   yeah the big circle and we just say Sin [TS]

01:21:42   City no sin city and you go there and [TS]

01:21:46   it's all it's just fucking any anything [TS]

01:21:48   goes [TS]

01:21:48   and you sign a disclaimer walking [TS]

01:21:52   through the gates like you have no [TS]

01:21:54   recourse to the law in here and and [TS]

01:21:58   heads up there are definitely going to [TS]

01:22:01   be people in here who have decided that [TS]

01:22:03   they are the law and that's your problem [TS]

01:22:07   like that's fine too you walk in there [TS]

01:22:09   and you are going to get immediately [TS]

01:22:11   it's just like being in a fun prism [TS]

01:22:14   right there are going to be gangs in [TS]

01:22:17   here they're gonna be doesn't have fun [TS]

01:22:19   too fun prison [TS]

01:22:20   it's a fun prison they're gonna be bad [TS]

01:22:22   men and a lot of you think that you can [TS]

01:22:24   go in here and have fun and come out at [TS]

01:22:26   the end of the weekend and probably [TS]

01:22:27   eighty-nine percent of you will come out [TS]

01:22:30   unscathed and let me talk about just a [TS]

01:22:32   couple of things just to help you manage [TS]

01:22:33   your expectations when we just need to [TS]

01:22:35   get right out of the way there's no [TS]

01:22:36   Boober you're not gonna be able to call [TS]

01:22:38   someone to pick you up and take you [TS]

01:22:39   somewhere else [TS]

01:22:40   yeah right it's going to be a lot more [TS]

01:22:42   like Oh escape from new york [TS]

01:22:45   oh I hundred percent but i'm not saying [TS]

01:22:47   is people who think like oh this is [TS]

01:22:48   great [TS]

01:22:49   me and my frat brothers are gonna go [TS]

01:22:50   here and it's giving an awesome bro time [TS]

01:22:52   it's much more likely that one of you is [TS]

01:22:54   going to get a broken nose and possibly [TS]

01:22:56   sodomized sure absolutely not in any way [TS]

01:22:58   but that this is that this is a serious [TS]

01:23:00   Wild West environment under this in this [TS]

01:23:02   big circle that's right Sin City my [TS]

01:23:04   friends and you know and somebody I [TS]

01:23:07   guarantee you after it's been there for [TS]

01:23:09   a few years somebody's going to appoint [TS]

01:23:10   themselves marissen city i think a lot [TS]

01:23:12   of people will I think I probably by [TS]

01:23:13   eight o'clock on a saturday night there [TS]

01:23:15   will be a lot to be a lot of people know [TS]

01:23:17   what it's okay to have guns there can [TS]

01:23:19   you have a store yes you can its Sin [TS]

01:23:21   City man let it go where they'll be a [TS]

01:23:23   lot of shooting up in the air that just [TS]

01:23:25   might be your way of letting people know [TS]

01:23:26   you're ready for a refill sure it's [TS]

01:23:28   shooting up in the air it's just it's [TS]

01:23:29   gonna be it's gonna be like a [TS]

01:23:30   Palestinian funeral right it's just [TS]

01:23:32   every day [TS]

01:23:34   so and I really and I feel like it would [TS]

01:23:39   relieve a lot of pressure on the rest of [TS]

01:23:41   the world and you know some of those [TS]

01:23:44   frat boys are gonna be up there like [TS]

01:23:45   which one we go to white homeland or sin [TS]

01:23:47   city it's like they're only it's a [TS]

01:23:49   six-hour Drive between one and the other [TS]

01:23:52   there are a lot more churches in white [TS]

01:23:53   homeland over uh-huh [TS]

01:23:56   but you know you know I see maybe you [TS]

01:23:58   might start with white homeland that [TS]

01:23:59   becomes like like a Hodge you know like [TS]

01:24:02   let's go to white homeland we're going [TS]

01:24:04   to hang out there for a while visit big [TS]

01:24:05   rock will go to sam's club pick up some [TS]

01:24:07   brews and then flied out to center or [TS]

01:24:09   not you know drive down to sin city take [TS]

01:24:11   the deal it'll be a Hyperloop is what [TS]

01:24:13   they'll be uh huh [TS]

01:24:16   oh my goodness i'm telling you I just I [TS]

01:24:19   feel like I feel like like voluntary [TS]

01:24:22   sequestering of a of both cranks and [TS]

01:24:31   crackle helpless substance abusers [TS]

01:24:36   well you know I don't think about sin [TS]

01:24:39   city as it wouldn't like the hopeless [TS]

01:24:41   could go there for sure but but there [TS]

01:24:43   would be a lot of people who want to go [TS]

01:24:45   to sin city many people go to vegas and [TS]

01:24:47   they are you know the difficulty of [TS]

01:24:50   vegas notwithstanding there are still [TS]

01:24:54   people in vegas and in amsterdam and [TS]

01:24:56   frankly in hamburg and New York City who [TS]

01:24:59   have the money to get what they want and [TS]

01:25:02   what they want is available there and [TS]

01:25:05   you just have to go through a lot you [TS]

01:25:07   have to talk to a lot of Bel hops right [TS]

01:25:09   my friend and skeezy cab drivers to find [TS]

01:25:12   the path or I mean probably if you have [TS]

01:25:14   enough money you know what the path is [TS]

01:25:15   right but she's going training entree [TS]

01:25:19   into that into that community that's [TS]

01:25:21   right and you need and you need to be [TS]

01:25:22   ready to drop serious coin [TS]

01:25:25   yeah whereas in sin city he it's a it's [TS]

01:25:29   there and that and that the thing about [TS]

01:25:30   i think since it is that there are gates [TS]

01:25:32   so you can't just traffic a bunch of 14 [TS]

01:25:37   year old thai girls in there [TS]

01:25:40   like you have to get through the gate [TS]

01:25:41   there is there there are people at the [TS]

01:25:43   gate that's like nope sorry no no minors [TS]

01:25:46   and no uh you know everybody that comes [TS]

01:25:51   in here comes in they each person like [TS]

01:25:54   walks into a room the door closes behind [TS]

01:25:56   them and then the person behind the desk [TS]

01:25:59   says are you under duress in any way if [TS]

01:26:02   someone's course this analysis is the [TS]

01:26:05   element the prostitute saying to the [TS]

01:26:07   undercover cop who you are these [TS]

01:26:08   supposed to John say show me your dick [TS]

01:26:10   right because you know I know if you're [TS]

01:26:13   a cop you won't show me your dick if I [TS]

01:26:14   ask you for a cop you're not gonna say [TS]

01:26:15   you're a cop but if you actually look [TS]

01:26:17   whip it out now before we talk about my [TS]

01:26:18   show me your dick and then we'll talk [TS]

01:26:20   about the money [TS]

01:26:21   there might be somebody that event you [TS]

01:26:22   is sin city the right place for you [TS]

01:26:24   that's right or do you if you are here [TS]

01:26:26   and news are having some second thoughts [TS]

01:26:28   or you're here with somebody who is [TS]

01:26:31   holding your arm a little too tightly [TS]

01:26:32   say that's shitty or and now you're in a [TS]

01:26:35   room and where's what we'll do we have [TS]

01:26:37   it in the budget to fly you anywhere in [TS]

01:26:40   the United States and you never have to [TS]

01:26:42   walk through that door that you just [TS]

01:26:43   came through you go out this special [TS]

01:26:45   door they will never know what happened [TS]

01:26:47   to you and we'll fly you anywhere in the [TS]

01:26:49   country if you have someone elaborate [TS]

01:26:51   scheme really leverage [TS]

01:26:52   well you know you have to make an [TS]

01:26:53   airstrip in an airstrip course there's [TS]

01:26:55   an airstrip are you kidding me it's [TS]

01:26:57   gonna be the biggest airport in the [TS]

01:26:58   world the airport outside of sin city [TS]

01:27:00   and the other letters on the luggages SI [TS]

01:27:02   n at the airport code [TS]

01:27:04   oh my god i want to run i want to have [TS]

01:27:07   the cinnabon concession at sin city [TS]

01:27:09   airport Cinnabon [TS]

01:27:14   show me your dick think we helped a lot [TS]

01:27:20   of people with that one [TS]