0:00:00this episode of rock on the line is
0:00:01sponsored by cards against humanity this
0:00:04month they invited Mike Lawrence of pot
0:00:06to help me say hi John
0:00:08[Music]
0:00:21hello
0:00:28I John come hi Merlin that how are you
0:00:32haha hey it's a little early
0:00:35whoo-hoo-hoo it is it's it's it's very
0:00:39early
0:00:40that's good you you know maybe people
0:00:43get a different side of us when it's
0:00:44early i think that's true i think they
0:00:47get a side of us that isn't a quite
0:00:49awake yet be has not had a complete
0:00:51breakfast
0:00:53oh where has my daughter would say a
0:00:55complete a complete breakfast I a
0:01:00breakfast yeah and she says breakfast so
0:01:03much that we all now say breakfast
0:01:06that's pretty good so when I say
0:01:08breakfast it doesn't sound right anymore
0:01:09breakfast
0:01:10oh well she like eating morning well
0:01:13I'll tell you what she doesn't like to
0:01:14eat a hard-boiled egg and some cheese
0:01:17and some cold cuts kind of the ideal
0:01:19will be lost and at a German
0:01:22bed-and-breakfast that's exactly what i
0:01:23try to duplicate for her
0:01:25listen you're spending the night in
0:01:26Germany just imagine every morning we
0:01:28wake up in Germany and here's breakfast
0:01:31a hard-boiled egg one piece of black
0:01:33bread
0:01:34you don't know what made it black you
0:01:36don't ask some cold cuts that have some
0:01:39pistachios and then my kids but it looks
0:01:44like Bologna but then it's got
0:01:46pistachios in it in it and other things
0:01:50probably always loaf except nuts
0:01:52yeah I'll blow up with pistachios and
0:01:55then some other cold cuts you know what
0:01:57I was a little kid not like that
0:01:59I you know I I can't imagine what if you
0:02:03go to France and you order off the kids
0:02:06menu here's the kids kids menu in France
0:02:08steak frites the end and that's a
0:02:12probably a sirloin with that french
0:02:14fries
0:02:15that's right and so in France what is
0:02:18considered to be a child's meal is some
0:02:21sort of loin and french fries and the
0:02:24little French kids don't know any
0:02:26different and so that's what they get in
0:02:29restaurants they don't no one gives them
0:02:31buttered spaghetti nobody gives them
0:02:33chicken grilled cheese sandwich chicken
0:02:35fingers fish sticks tater tots they
0:02:38don't get any of that they get steak
0:02:39frites and son what can you say I mean
0:02:44if you're a kid in Germany will he get
0:02:47some detrimental own you're lucky you
0:02:50didn't get a beating
0:02:51that's right that's your back yet you
0:02:53get some kind of blood sausage and you
0:02:56get a stove and unsalted egg and a stern
0:02:59lecture slap that's what I got every
0:03:02morning in Germany every time I've ever
0:03:04been layered here's what intrigues me
0:03:05about this i mean for myself I i feel
0:03:09like i can blame blame myself i guess i
0:03:12could in a larger sense playing the
0:03:13household for causing option paralysis
0:03:17like do you want to have a good meal or
0:03:19dizzy real or you didn't even have that
0:03:22I know when people do that to me I get
0:03:24overwhelmed and I'm 97 so i'm guessing
0:03:26that has not been the case i mentioned
0:03:28you've offered the German breakfast /
0:03:29over many years it seems like that would
0:03:31it would have sunk in
0:03:32what do you think is causing the
0:03:33pushback is she developing a personality
0:03:35and preferences what's happening uh it's
0:03:38very you know she was very clear
0:03:40preferences and and if i gave her any
0:03:43option at all i would still be there i'd
0:03:47still be sitting at the kitchen table
0:03:48talking about all the different things
0:03:50that could be and what I have to do is
0:03:53you know make sure there's some yogurt
0:03:55component right because it is a German
0:03:57breakfast we do get the option of yogurt
0:03:59but if there's yogurt involved chili the
0:04:02yogurt and then she never saw the egg
0:04:06yeah so I have to sit there and you know
0:04:08that she does the thing where she's like
0:04:10I only like the white part of the egg
0:04:11yeah that's pretty normal I like the
0:04:14yellow party gets totally normal but you
0:04:16know but but dad has to intervene and
0:04:19say you know the best part of the egg is
0:04:21the part in between the white part and
0:04:23the yellow part eventually get the ninja
0:04:25level we say there isn't different parts
0:04:26of the egg there's egg the right what I
0:04:29mean I don't see any difference between
0:04:31the and she's like look this is yellow
0:04:33this is what no i don't see that you
0:04:36know a little bit of fucking with her
0:04:37head
0:04:38yeah what do what do kids in Thailand
0:04:40have for breakfast this is I've never
0:04:41been to Thailand I don't know I
0:04:43seriously do not know the answer
0:04:45i'm gonna guess
0:04:47probably like a rice or a soup it seems
0:04:50like a lot of Asia there's a lot of rice
0:04:52and soup and this is a very broad guess
0:04:54I i bet see massey part of my sense is
0:04:57that all kinds of I once the asian food
0:05:01but I was the asian american food asian
0:05:03american food in general feels like you
0:05:06take the most outlandish celebration
0:05:08food anyone that has once every 15 years
0:05:11and then make it even more celebratory
0:05:14and you call in chinese food like like
0:05:17the idea of like Chad like two pounds of
0:05:18chow mein with with like half a cup of
0:05:21oil in it
0:05:22I don't think that's the kind of thing
0:05:23that people eat everyday in China and
0:05:26you didn't retire food for typhoon who's
0:05:28gonna go to all that trouble who's gonna
0:05:29who's gonna have those beautiful little
0:05:31mushrooms in with the doc I mean the
0:05:33organ talk like that who's gonna make
0:05:34that everyday that's like that i think
0:05:36with banquet wedding food i'm guessing
0:05:38about my girlfriend at the time in the
0:05:40nineties went to China at one point
0:05:43because she had decided and true sort of
0:05:47punk rock form that she was going to
0:05:51major in Chinese at the University and
0:05:55whenever she was quiz by a curious
0:05:58person you know like oh I do you intend
0:06:00to like most people would say oh that's
0:06:03very exciting like China is booming and
0:06:05if you have knowledge of Chinese like
0:06:07you'll be invaluable to companies and
0:06:09and she was just like shake her head
0:06:11Riley at them because she wasn't taking
0:06:15chinese for any reason that is very punk
0:06:19rock common other than that it was hard
0:06:21and obscure so she stopped she likely
0:06:26black flag that's right exactly she
0:06:28threw herself into a study of chinese
0:06:30and like reveled in the difficulty and
0:06:33then like really it stuck to her guns
0:06:37that she was never going to use it it
0:06:40was never going to have an application
0:06:41she's like Superman she only use it for
0:06:43good
0:06:44that's right well and i'm not even sure
0:06:46she's ever use it for good but it for
0:06:47her one point at one point I you know I
0:06:50think she's now she said some like
0:06:52eavesdropping on people she doesn't even
0:06:53help them if they're still there to
0:06:55chinese people standing with the map of
0:06:57Los Angeles and they're standing on a
0:06:59street corner looking around
0:07:00she will you know just walk right past
0:07:02without respect much like a Chinese
0:07:03person but and blood much like Black
0:07:07Flag what do I find I can help you with
0:07:09your map they gotta get in the van get
0:07:11in the van
0:07:11fuck you they're not what you're looking
0:07:13at me wrong doesn't doesn't piss on you
0:07:15and that's not even you know Greg in is
0:07:18the thing
0:07:19don't ask for a check it's not coming
0:07:20but I but at one point she went to China
0:07:24and was there for six months and I and I
0:07:27have a lot of regrets about this because
0:07:28she would write me all the time this is
0:07:29back when people still wrote one another
0:07:31should say come to china i am in China
0:07:34you are my boyfriend come to China
0:07:37this is your big chance and at the time
0:07:40I was like a china you know seems like a
0:07:45lot of work
0:07:46it's a lot of work it's not it's not
0:07:48really all you have to do is just go to
0:07:50China but it seems like a lot of work at
0:07:52the time we get our so easy i have been
0:07:55to Belgium like do I really have to go
0:07:57to China keeping like hungry like you
0:07:59can't read the signs in china so a lot
0:08:01of work and this was prettyyou know this
0:08:03was back when Shanghai was still like
0:08:06all the all the buildings in Shanghai
0:08:07were five stories tall like it if you
0:08:10take a picture of China from this time
0:08:12when I was when I could have gone and
0:08:14you compare it to compare a picture of
0:08:16shanghai from then and now they didn't
0:08:20even resemble each other
0:08:21shanghai now it's like they took what
0:08:23was shanghaied and then they put dubai
0:08:24on top of it but at the time I could
0:08:28have gone and water around the back
0:08:30streets of old Shanghai and you know and
0:08:32those would be memories i would be
0:08:33cherishing now instead of this memory
0:08:35which is a memory of my girlfriend at
0:08:39the time being mad at me for not going
0:08:42to china but she said that everywhere
0:08:44she went so she was a vegetarian in
0:08:46China to this is the other that's the
0:08:47great part is if you're going to be punk
0:08:49rock and you're going to study Chinese
0:08:50for no reason
0:08:52also when you go to China make sure that
0:08:54you are vegetarian it's something she
0:08:56smoked and also chain-smoked yeah okay I
0:09:00are getting a picture like this is a
0:09:03issue with combat boots she didn't but
0:09:06she did wear bright red lipstick and dye
0:09:08her hair black
0:09:10anyway so she's in China black hair
0:09:13bright red lipstick i think the bright
0:09:15red lipstick went away pretty fast in
0:09:17China but the black dyed hair you know
0:09:20you're stuck with it but she said
0:09:22everywhere she went
0:09:23they would you know they would invite
0:09:25her to dinner the local people some
0:09:27somebody would say come to dinner at my
0:09:29apartment and they would lay out all
0:09:31these meats and she would say and she
0:09:36would you know kind of a you know i can
0:09:38t mean I'm you know vegetarian
0:09:41do you have any rice and vegetables
0:09:44that's what I really am excited about
0:09:45what I imagine is sort of the vegetarian
0:09:48chinese meal which is some vegetables on
0:09:50rice and those same she got the same
0:09:53response everywhere which is like you're
0:09:54a special guest we we aren't going to
0:09:57give you our normal food right are the
0:10:00other food that we actually eat we have
0:10:02like we've put on a spread here and and
0:10:05basically given her what you're saying
0:10:06american chinese food which is a huge
0:10:08platter of of meat meat pieces and she
0:10:13was like I just want to eat like a
0:10:14normal person don't you see that I'm
0:10:15punk rock i just want to be a regular
0:10:17normal person
0:10:20normal vegetarian in China and they were
0:10:23like a there is no such thing and be no
0:10:27you're a special guest here right we we
0:10:30went out and we we killed two ducks for
0:10:32you
0:10:32so she is not a vegetarian anymore i
0:10:38really don't know how to end this story
0:10:40no you don't need to i got less that
0:10:41jump in on here first of all I want to
0:10:44just point out that I just I few minutes
0:10:46ago did something that I hate which is
0:10:48talking about an incredibly large group
0:10:51of people don't talk about racism just
0:10:52talk about being a dumbass like I'm here
0:10:54it's my reckon about how half of the the
0:10:58of earth eats right yeah you really want
0:11:02one and a half billion people anybody
0:11:04ever said that about America let alone
0:11:06about Seattle like you can't draw those
0:11:08kinds of broad conclusions
0:11:10here's how Americans are you ready ready
0:11:11yeah waffles
0:11:13mhm and a spaghetti noodles and we'll
0:11:18instant coffee all Americans eat that
0:11:22everyday and i think also
0:11:23you're kind of famous for drinking lots
0:11:25of soft drinks I've been thinking about
0:11:28this a lot when we were kids did we not
0:11:30drink a lot of soft drinks i drank tons
0:11:32of softwares you probably saw something
0:11:33i did probably in the new york times
0:11:35about the incredible precipitous drop in
0:11:39the amount of soft drinks that young
0:11:42people are drinking i did read that
0:11:44article and I thought about the
0:11:45innumerable six-packs of dr.pepper that
0:11:48I consumed growing up it was just I mean
0:11:51you know what your lies and soft drinks
0:11:53were the smoking of childhood when I was
0:11:56a kid you know if you're if you were a a
0:11:58an adult and you're anywhere where there
0:12:01hopefully was not too many combustible
0:12:03things you were smoking inside outside
0:12:05bed church whatever you're just always
0:12:07smoking and it's kinda like that with
0:12:09softness you show up somewhere and you
0:12:10see hey you want a coke give somebody a
0:12:12coke
0:12:13yeah right or you you're at school
0:12:16there's a there's a Coke machine in the
0:12:17hall you'd stop on your way between
0:12:19classes and get a coke
0:12:21that was a weird thing because I mean I
0:12:22remember coming up especially in ohio
0:12:24where it was
0:12:26I can't even begin to tell you I mean
0:12:27now it's been 40 years so it's not
0:12:29surprising that there's been changes but
0:12:31you know for example i can not only
0:12:32could you not wear shorts but you were
0:12:35discouraged from wearing jeans like
0:12:37we're expected to wear like pants to
0:12:38school
0:12:39what's real you to our genes you could
0:12:42but you know that's cool you should wear
0:12:45trousers you were definitely never in a
0:12:47million years allowed to chew gum there
0:12:50was there was stuff you had to do
0:12:52fifth-grade you're gonna learn to play
0:12:53the recorder how about that its fifth
0:12:54grade gonna order a far from there's
0:13:00something so i got my dad wants this
0:13:02surely must still be teaching the
0:13:04recorder Oh music is Who music is like
0:13:07half of a room over here like it's not a
0:13:09thing anymore but I'm but was appointed
0:13:12all this you know certainly all of that
0:13:14has changed but then and and my god the
0:13:16idea of having like you have cookies and
0:13:18shit like nobody cares like but it's
0:13:20weird how all that has changed where you
0:13:21would never have soft drinks at school
0:13:23and then fast-forward to florida in the
0:13:26mid-eighties and that's when we first
0:13:28got we had a Coke machine at our school
0:13:32and i'm given to believe that that was
0:13:34partly revenue-based I think you know
0:13:36the rev share on stuff like that yeah
0:13:38they're trying to make up for the fact
0:13:39that the the tax base no longer
0:13:41supported that was that was beginning
0:13:43then and now today
0:13:45flash forward to where we are now and
0:13:47least here in San Francisco means all
0:13:49kinds of stuff about this place that's I
0:13:51mean could you ever imagine that there
0:13:53would be an LGBTQ community dinner for
0:13:56the school district where their children
0:13:58teachers and parents LGBTQ parents would
0:14:01come together at a picnic could you
0:14:02imagine that in the nineteen eighties
0:14:04for the seventies or the nineties where
0:14:07the two thousand i love you i love that
0:14:10exists it makes me happy to see that in
0:14:11the newsletter but now today like you
0:14:14are just it's so weird and so oddly
0:14:16applied you're not supposed to bring
0:14:17sugar to school at all it's it's not
0:14:20quite like smoking but you're not you're
0:14:23not supposed to bring sugary stuff you
0:14:24know that they're very clearly say the
0:14:26beginning of the year you know hey if we
0:14:27want to celebrate a birthday here's how
0:14:28well do it
0:14:29please don't bring gift bags pretty
0:14:30please don't bring sugar part of its a
0:14:32scalability issue but I think a lot of
0:14:34its a consistency issue and it's
0:14:35definitely a health issue they just
0:14:37don't want it to be that like we were I
0:14:39mean there was just sugar everywhere
0:14:40when we were kids
0:14:41everybody was always eating sugar all
0:14:42the time the street though the road to
0:14:44school was paper sugar it was or you
0:14:46could just go to the convenience store
0:14:47and I think you know pound-for-pound
0:14:48stuff was cheaper back then you could in
0:14:51your sub dollar price range get a shit
0:14:54ton of candy know yet but well you know
0:14:57and that was my sister and I had a very
0:14:59very different relationship to money
0:15:01right if if we were each of us were
0:15:03given 50 cents she would immediately go
0:15:06and buy fifty cents worth the smarties
0:15:09which would fill the trunk of a car and
0:15:12i would put the fifty cents in a shoebox
0:15:15oh yes your collector that's right and
0:15:18so then we would get another fifty cents
0:15:20and she would get fifty cents with the
0:15:21smarties and I were in our fifty cents
0:15:23worth of wax lips or those little-little
0:15:26whatever bye wax lips they're so dumb
0:15:31remember those little wax coax book coke
0:15:32bottles that had tiny little sugar fluid
0:15:35is the worst of both worlds it's bad wax
0:15:38bad coke
0:15:39except except that you you know you to
0:15:41the way I top off and then you get a
0:15:43little bit of coke it was before that
0:15:44was before that bubblegum that had
0:15:46squirty liquid inside
0:15:48oh yeah it was fresh plaster or whatever
0:15:51they call ya their fruit fruit fruit
0:15:52fruit fruit years it was the only thing
0:15:57where it's only thing you could you
0:15:58could bite into the got that same
0:15:59technology that God squirting squirting
0:16:03sugar liquid in your mouth which is a
0:16:05great feeling
0:16:06mhm but yeah so then at the end of you
0:16:09know our childhoods she had only the
0:16:14experience of eating as much candy as
0:16:17she could get her hands on and I had the
0:16:19experience of having a shoebox full of
0:16:21nickels dimes and quarters nice and
0:16:24which one who you know who else is
0:16:26living a fuller life
0:16:30oh my goodness I couldn't begin to guess
0:16:32I'd have to ask your mom I don't know I
0:16:35don't know my mom is a good gauge of
0:16:37which one of us my sister and i are
0:16:39living a fuller life to say getting
0:16:40emails from your mom is a delight of my
0:16:42life
0:16:43he's such a thorough person I loved her
0:16:46thoroughness she's very thorough and you
0:16:48know she wakes up in the middle of the
0:16:49night sometimes and sends emails and of
0:16:54course i'm often up in the middle of the
0:16:55night so one of the great surprises is
0:16:58to get an email from her in the middle
0:16:59of the night where she's decided that
0:17:02she wants she has she has some
0:17:04information on The Hermitage in st.
0:17:08Petersburg and she wants more
0:17:10information so she's done some research
0:17:12and this is what she's discovered but
0:17:16it's raised some questions and she's not
0:17:19sure she's research those questions as
0:17:22best she can
0:17:23so she puts all that information in
0:17:25email and then she has some questions
0:17:26for me maybe I can help her fill in the
0:17:29gaps
0:17:30wow nice and sometimes it's a little bit
0:17:32overflow you're still having the
0:17:33previous day and she's got you got a
0:17:35late start on the previous day she's got
0:17:37an early start on the next day as a nice
0:17:39sweet little Venn diagram around four in
0:17:40the morning
0:17:41yeah right exactly where she's like what
0:17:43is so explain to me how the nations of
0:17:47Central America all ended up with their
0:17:50current borders and I'm like whoa uh
0:17:54okay well let me mix like me some coffee
0:17:57little uh you know and the thing is
0:17:59she's not expecting a response right
0:18:01away she's thinking that that's going to
0:18:03greet me in my inbox when I wake up in
0:18:06the morning and she's forgetting a then
0:18:08I don't wake up in the museum in the
0:18:09coolest look more unless I'm under
0:18:11duress and be that yeah I'm gonna get
0:18:13this i'm gonna reply to it and then so
0:18:15we have these email conversations in the
0:18:18absolute middle of the night about these
0:18:21you know these questions or you know or
0:18:23what this is the other great thing that
0:18:25she does she makes a decision she makes
0:18:28a decision which is sometimes um
0:18:33normal sounding decision like I'm going
0:18:37to sell my car and buy a some kind of
0:18:43natural gas car and so I'm getting my
0:18:46car ready to sell in order to buy a
0:18:50natural gas-powered car and I need you
0:18:53to you know to detail the hubcaps for me
0:18:57or something like that sounds normal
0:19:00it's not it's motivated by some crazy
0:19:02like four in the morning like I'm gonna
0:19:04sell my car and buy a car was it seems a
0:19:07sensible because she's talking about
0:19:08understandable logistics but you never
0:19:12got the chance to talk about you know
0:19:13the fact that she just decided to sell
0:19:14her car in the middle of the night
0:19:16Yeah right right so but it but it would
0:19:19read as a normal email and then there
0:19:20are others where she wakes up the middle
0:19:22of the night and she's just like i have
0:19:24decided never to go into a building made
0:19:25of brick again because of outgassing and
0:19:33here's why
0:19:34then she will explain that but you know
0:19:37that there there's something about
0:19:38there's something about brick that is a
0:19:42you know that's either offensive or
0:19:45untenable or she doesn't support it
0:19:48she no longer supports brick because big
0:19:51brick is running the world and uh and
0:19:54you know retro actively she's gonna go
0:19:57back and erase all the brick building
0:19:58she's ever been in and you know and she
0:20:02doesn't expect my support in this she
0:20:03just expects adjusted this is an
0:20:05informational email she's coming out
0:20:07yeah where I'm just coming out as being
0:20:09against big brick
0:20:11yeah I'm not expected to say yes or no I
0:20:13just this is a courtesy email sometimes
0:20:16those are very long and then I Tennessee
0:20:20you know so i read that the elemental
0:20:21sent me another email like I hope you
0:20:23read my last email and I and in general
0:20:28fruit most of those I just I just let
0:20:32them go without comment and and mother
0:20:36for the most part they solve themselves
0:20:37nothing you need to do about it
0:20:39just then right because you know i mean
0:20:42i can't speak in this case for your mom
0:20:43but in some cases when somebody's having
0:20:44i don't know i don't confuse state but
0:20:47when they're having some kind of a an
0:20:49incident
0:20:50sometimes you know you you may not even
0:20:52want to initially be super supportive
0:20:53you want to write it out its like the
0:20:55person who suddenly decides they're
0:20:57breaking up with their spouse like the
0:20:58last thing you want to do is go good
0:21:00never liked right right never never do
0:21:03that
0:21:03yeah we're trying are trying to
0:21:05intervene in any way you just want to
0:21:06just do you don't even not you just move
0:21:09your head slightly in a circle kind of
0:21:12like a book Bulgarian person says yes
0:21:15you just sort of move your head around
0:21:17this is where I wish we could just do
0:21:19certain like sort of some kind of what i
0:21:22call control words that I wish we could
0:21:24use with people where sometimes I really
0:21:26wish
0:21:27ack were a standardized response to
0:21:30things
0:21:31your turn but bill the cats signature
0:21:33line act no its act without an !
0:21:36somebody says a temp job I i want to
0:21:41know your thoughts about how chemtrails
0:21:44are affecting our ability to overturn
0:21:49gun laws and my response that would be
0:21:51act which i think in in the world of of
0:21:54radio communications it's just to say
0:21:56that i received your message
0:21:58mhm that's really all i have to say i
0:21:59have absolutely nothing to say i just
0:22:02wanna let you know that it got through
0:22:03mms not even necessarily is implied
0:22:05thank you i'm doing really thank you i'm
0:22:07just saying your message arrived and it
0:22:09has i processed
0:22:10yeah I somebody lectured me on the last
0:22:13Joe Cruz somebody pulled up a chair and
0:22:15was like I just wanted to say that I'm
0:22:17very concerned about blank
0:22:19and it was it was in it it was an
0:22:21attempt on their part to to make the
0:22:24story about them and get some attention
0:22:26and at the end of their you know little
0:22:28sort of mini lecture I leaned forward
0:22:30and I said thank you for your message
0:22:32and it was and that's a really good
0:22:36response
0:22:37it was really wonderful they were very
0:22:40confused and and you know and ask a
0:22:43couple of follow-up questions and i
0:22:46think i said i just am glad that you
0:22:48feel safe enough to send me to give me
0:22:51this message
0:22:52i watch some people and their
0:22:53interactions with people other people
0:22:55and some people just seem to have I
0:22:58don't know it's some kind of almost
0:23:00magical ability to not get into a
0:23:03thistle with people when you know
0:23:05sometimes people were you know I I have
0:23:07friends that even when they agree with
0:23:08you sound like they're arguing with you
0:23:09there's other kinds of people that sound
0:23:11really tuned out like they didn't
0:23:12actually hear it but people LLC in some
0:23:14cases politicians who are really good at
0:23:16having an interaction with somebody that
0:23:18combines that Obama likely a Clinton
0:23:20like ability to have empathy and Obama
0:23:23like ability to say like you know I i
0:23:26understand you know I i I'm gratified by
0:23:28the intelligence of your thought
0:23:30combined with the John Hodgman thing of
0:23:31like we're pretty much done here you
0:23:35know but they could put all those
0:23:37together and you've got the super person
0:23:39of communication where you're ready to
0:23:41accept and be this is kind of also where
0:23:43I could wish i could say God bless you
0:23:44and you better not at all the great
0:23:46because it isn't a great response
0:23:48god bless you bless you like somebody
0:23:50pulls up a chair that concerns you say
0:23:53yeah
0:23:53god bless you god bless you god bless
0:23:55you for bless you for saying it's got
0:23:58but you just got bless you
0:23:59yeah I don't have the ability to to do
0:24:04that either i'm i'm getting in I'm
0:24:06allowing myself to get involved in fewer
0:24:08practices track-by-track I am um and
0:24:14part of that is is yeah learning that
0:24:16kind of ninja like that you know
0:24:18thank you thank you for trusting me with
0:24:21your comments like that's kind of what
0:24:25you're saying thank you for trusting me
0:24:26with your trusting me that i will value
0:24:30your comments
0:24:32and you know it's very much like ack
0:24:35although you know I'm starting to think
0:24:37about ack i think of act as a bill the
0:24:39cat
0:24:40yeah absolutely but that's a key ! but i
0:24:43bet you there are a lot of our listeners
0:24:45who immediately thought of Kathy of
0:24:49course
0:24:50so which act is the which act as the
0:24:52canonical act i think we got a problem
0:24:54here we got wet a lot and why they
0:24:55called a term of art it's going to mean
0:24:57very different things in very different
0:24:58places
0:24:59sure a kathy ack and build a cat attack
0:25:02communicate entirely different
0:25:06yeah one with Kathy that's what back
0:25:09back because she's having some kind of
0:25:12an existential moment
0:25:13oh she's trying I'm just trying on
0:25:15bathing suits yeah
0:25:16Irving is not calling her no ack ack and
0:25:20then with bill it's more like a crack
0:25:22right ladies got a hairball up and i
0:25:27doubt kathy had that many hairballs but
0:25:29which one you know which one is closer
0:25:31yours yours has no ! not quite a
0:25:33hairball ack but but you're not worried
0:25:37about Irving either i'm on the way I
0:25:39think we might have talked about this
0:25:41several years ago but i'm on the page
0:25:43for voice procedure which as you know it
0:25:46is a very interesting wikipedia page
0:25:47here i want to talk about some fine
0:25:49distinctions here in my sweat but I hate
0:25:52to interrupt but I swear to God I
0:25:54thought you were about to say i'm on the
0:25:56page for Kathy I thought you were gonna
0:26:00say that you were part of a newsgroup or
0:26:02some kind of anything even got the
0:26:06t-shirt
0:26:07i'm on the rage like Addie it up
0:26:10he's a mod for the really Kathy page ok
0:26:14so anyway if you're the stage well let's
0:26:15let's close the thread if you go to
0:26:16Wikipedia disambiguation page for AXA
0:26:19the last entry on the pages see also
0:26:20Kathy really ok so let me I'm gonna go
0:26:25through a few of these and I'm doing
0:26:27what in academics is called
0:26:28problematizing i'm gonna give you a few
0:26:29different words that all mean things you
0:26:33ready
0:26:33ten-four means message received
0:26:37I understand okay all right now we also
0:26:39got affirmative which means yes right
0:26:43you got that for example come in
0:26:46which means you can start speaking now
0:26:47you've got Roger which says i have
0:26:51received all the last transmission and
0:26:54then let's make the distinction that
0:26:55people don't make wilco isn't it will i
0:26:58owe their yes with an employee you don't
0:27:01need to say Roger Wilco because Roger is
0:27:03implied in a wilco so if you say wilco
0:27:06it means I got your message and i will
0:27:08comply with it so maybe again now maybe
0:27:10I'm being a little bit fancy here but I
0:27:12think there's a big difference between
0:27:1310-4 affirmative cop come in in the case
0:27:18is saying like I understand you keep
0:27:19talking
0:27:20wilco vs roger i think they're all
0:27:22different things
0:27:23these could be things we use in
0:27:24day-to-day conversation that could
0:27:25really help a lot if we all adapted the
0:27:27subtleness of this
0:27:28yeah the problem is that roger has
0:27:30turned into yes i agree like high-five
0:27:35and right and 10 for has turned into yes
0:27:38i agree you know you if somebody says
0:27:41something to you and you save tension or
0:27:43everything you know everything will go
0:27:45with applied Roger that's right
0:27:46everything exactly right everything has
0:27:48become a wilco except for one
0:27:52well you know I had a friend used to say
0:27:54copy copy means I heard what you just
0:27:58said yeah I copy
0:28:00that's very copy similar to 10 for it
0:28:02sounds like it's similar to 10 4 or
0:28:05similar to Roger and but copy retains i
0:28:09think a little bit of it's a little bit
0:28:12of the ambiguity of like I he I register
0:28:17your transmission but i'm not you know
0:28:21that but i but i bypass no judgment copy
0:28:25boy here's one I love the definition of
0:28:27this one I can give you that the term
0:28:29you the definition to confirm that you
0:28:32have received and understood the
0:28:33contents of the transmission so far you
0:28:35know you say Roger so far
0:28:38Rogers so far how handy would that be on
0:28:40the choco cruise i have never heard
0:28:42Roger so far out in the wilderness no
0:28:45one has ever done was supported there's
0:28:47several of these involving if you're
0:28:48actually if you really using this and
0:28:50another there's a there's a reason they
0:28:52use all these and they mean different
0:28:53things and like what's the one in
0:28:57artillery that you don't want to get
0:28:58wrong as it go ahead
0:28:59uh-huh it but I think in artillery if
0:29:03you say go ahead and believe it's go
0:29:04ahead if you say that over the radio
0:29:06that means you are free to fire it will
0:29:09at the last position that we fire
0:29:11go ahead and go ahead yeah you want to
0:29:14avoid that is it go ahead or is it again
0:29:16come again or something like that anyway
0:29:18we talked about pan-pan we talk about
0:29:20that one before
0:29:22ready to copy but the idea is if you're
0:29:23sitting there and you're flying your
0:29:25your your aircraft you know you don't
0:29:27have a lot of free hands there's that
0:29:28there is information that has to be
0:29:29passed along you know you don't always
0:29:31have the dr strangelove machine in the
0:29:32file uh folders so sometimes you gotta
0:29:35write stuff down I'm just saying Roger
0:29:37so far I kind of like that
0:29:38Roger so far right so far right there's
0:29:41so much there so there's so much that we
0:29:43could we could benefit I think from
0:29:47returning to the age of military radio
0:29:51my god on how Henry is how great is this
0:29:54Roger far messages lasting over 20
0:29:56seconds are prefixed by the pro word
0:29:58long message long message so you let
0:30:02people now grab a chair
0:30:04it's ready a long message and then you
0:30:06say Roger so far that's right uh there's
0:30:08more to this tweet 739 so so I yeah I
0:30:16wonder you know tweets are very much in
0:30:20this vein of of like Telegraph Telegraph
0:30:24messages but there are no exclamation
0:30:28points in military radio huh right you
0:30:34never never again we're back to the
0:30:36punctuation how do you say I mean how do
0:30:41you say stat which is a which is
0:30:44something you say in an emergency room
0:30:46you don't say that on over the radio but
0:30:47how do you say like this is urgent and
0:30:52mash or possibly helping heroes you
0:30:55would say it has on the double
0:30:57on the double or she now if your dad who
0:31:01served in World War two
0:31:03Snell ever get our dad used to say that
0:31:05sergeant schultz with dads who served in
0:31:10the European theater might have said
0:31:12Chanel
0:31:13uh my dad was in the in the Pacific
0:31:16Theater and so did not ever say Chanel
0:31:19never seen my pile
0:31:20shall I heard I heard those things ?
0:31:23showers with these to yell at the
0:31:25beatles haha i had you know I was
0:31:28friends when I was a little kid not
0:31:30little but like when I was in grade
0:31:32school in Seattle I had two friends twin
0:31:35boys Thomas and Peter and their father
0:31:38had served in world war two with the
0:31:40Germans and was a doctor and their house
0:31:47was very very interesting
0:31:51he was a he was a distant man with a
0:31:57beard which was unusual at the time so
0:32:00he brought home a little bit of Germany
0:32:01back to the household
0:32:03that's right and his and his wife was
0:32:05germany with it was a very German family
0:32:07and toms and Peter spoke fluent German
0:32:09and English and would would go in and
0:32:12out of German in English sort of
0:32:14unconsciously was the first time i've
0:32:16ever seen that they were both good
0:32:17friends they had a marklin n scale train
0:32:23set that that may be duplicated their
0:32:27father's hometown it was the most
0:32:29incredible thing you know I'd seen h/o
0:32:32trains sounds like an amazing charlie
0:32:33kaufman movie it was fantastic just
0:32:35fantastic there there and they had a
0:32:37very sort of n is n scale the kind of a
0:32:40little one little one that fits inside
0:32:42of a walnut
0:32:43it's not as easy scale but it's a 10
0:32:45skills it's a little bit bigger than the
0:32:46academia every kind of that there was
0:32:48that i used to be i could name every
0:32:50scale train that would fit inside and
0:32:52get HL HL fancy I'm but they had one of
0:32:56those houses sort of a Brady Bunch house
0:32:58but it was perched on a hillside which
0:33:02was covered with trees and mosses and
0:33:05northwest Brady Bunch house and Peter
0:33:08Thomas XD so they had one of those lives
0:33:11with their father would give them old
0:33:12radios at and all you know he would find
0:33:16old electronic stuff and give it to them
0:33:18and they had a soldering gun and they
0:33:20would take apart electronic things and
0:33:23rebuild them into other things
0:33:24and as a kid you know as a as a 78 year
0:33:29old kid they just seems like a miracle
0:33:32workers they could speak multiple
0:33:34languages they have these crazy little
0:33:36trains they could rebuild radios and you
0:33:40know I was I was the same age as them
0:33:43and and smart like them but I was like
0:33:46putting on my mother's lipstick and
0:33:49sitting in the sandbox covering my head
0:33:53with sand like I was completely i was
0:33:56completely useless relative to them
0:33:58right they could repair they could have
0:34:00prepared a jeep and I but I looked like
0:34:05a bipolar person having once throughout
0:34:09my entire child had had no you had no
0:34:13useful skills unless you were unless you
0:34:15were doing like an all kid version of
0:34:17rocky horror picture show and then I
0:34:19could I could play any role Thomason
0:34:25Peter and I looked them up later
0:34:27I look I went found them again when we
0:34:30were all kind of young adults and they
0:34:33were like in a fraternity and they were
0:34:37wearing tank tops it was so confusing
0:34:41you know I really wanted to run really
0:34:43wanted to find them and they were like
0:34:45in a laboratory but they had they made
0:34:49some they made a transition in a
0:34:51different direction they were there were
0:34:53in tank tops with where you were friends
0:35:00with somebody that ended up in a tank
0:35:02mom
0:35:02mmm let me think
0:35:07well i have to tell you uh I came up at
0:35:10a time when it was much more acceptable
0:35:12for everyone to wear a tanktop we did
0:35:15not call them wife beaters they work
0:35:16tank tops and really this is a not so
0:35:19long before the era of the half shirt
0:35:21but I war tank top my friend John war
0:35:23tank top my we all wear tank tops what
0:35:25you did in the late seventies the tank
0:35:27top was a look i enjoyed tank tops I
0:35:31really did until I became
0:35:35until I became husky oh and a tank top
0:35:39is not a good look on a husky kid can i
0:35:42get like sort of a philip seymour
0:35:45hoffman Boogie Nights kind of look
0:35:47yeah thank you that's exactly right and
0:35:49I did not want I didn't want that but up
0:35:53until that port i was very protective pi
0:35:58have some great i had great tank tops
0:36:01and a yellow stripe tank top I had maybe
0:36:04I had to take up with a baseball player
0:36:06on it you know they were they were good
0:36:08were good trips i had a generalized
0:36:11problem with sleeveless shirts where I
0:36:15could get away with the tank-tank what
0:36:16tank tank tank top ten I was actually
0:36:18technically what I was 10 or 11 but as
0:36:21soon as I started to smell
0:36:24I think I really benefited from shirts
0:36:26they had more cloth you're saying when
0:36:29you when you came into your agency my
0:36:32special time and started to produce
0:36:34pheromonal so yes you got but also i was
0:36:39a sweater so it when I wore my Joey
0:36:42Elliott my off-brand Joe Elliott def
0:36:45leppard british flag shirt with no
0:36:47sleeves i mean i would ruin that thing I
0:36:50had some some big some big pit stains on
0:36:53this
0:36:53did you really wear a sleeveless british
0:36:56flag t-shirt
0:36:57yeah there's one kid in my school that
0:37:01wore a sleeveless British like t-shirt
0:37:03his name is Ernie Dumas key
0:37:05ok and and I remember to this day i felt
0:37:10like it was a bold choice he was that
0:37:13part of a choice in 1983 well in Alaska
0:37:17the sleeplessness was right away like
0:37:21even the fact that i was war at that I
0:37:22was wearing boat shoes with no socks
0:37:24which is totally equivalent like a top
0:37:30sider like a top sider like a
0:37:32red-colored top-sider with no socks it's
0:37:3620 degrees below zero outside and there
0:37:37there's five feet of snow on the ground
0:37:39but I'm wearing this like like Nantucket
0:37:43style
0:37:44because that's what you know that's what
0:37:48I would that those were the poor choices
0:37:49I was making Ernie was wearing a British
0:37:52flag sleeveless t-shirt also a poor
0:37:54choice also a little culturally
0:37:58appropriate m.o.b point-to-point but
0:38:01from my from my top siders with no socks
0:38:05perspective it just felt like you know
0:38:09what exactly are you
0:38:11what exactly are you reppin Ernie he
0:38:14could have easily turned the tables on
0:38:16me and said what are you reppin both of
0:38:20us should have been in Shirelles with
0:38:23like you know with Parker's on but here
0:38:27we are both like wrapping some kind of
0:38:30other climbers we called not yet the
0:38:33Alaskan standoff
0:38:34yeah right guys an inappropriate guard
0:38:36who's gonna go down first
0:38:37who which one which one is going to cop
0:38:39to the fact that they are fashion victim
0:38:43em high school fashion victim and not
0:38:45dressed appropriately and those get you
0:38:47know the kids that came to school in
0:38:49bunny boots and and like foul like US
0:38:55military foul weather gear
0:38:57those were the only people that were
0:39:00actually dressed appropriately but when
0:39:03we heap scorn on them because it you
0:39:07know their their fathers had obviously
0:39:09their fathers were based at Elmendorf
0:39:11and they were wearing like a
0:39:13military-issue winter clothes
0:39:15it was it was pretty sad from again from
0:39:19the perspective of somebody in red boat
0:39:21shoes with no socks
0:39:23well i don't think i'm going to ridicule
0:39:25I don't think it's pretty cool
0:39:26well it wasn't cool then it would be
0:39:28cool now it seemed poor its import yeah
0:39:32and that was you know like that was it
0:39:33that was big will to see porno magazines
0:39:37yes and a lot of people worked really
0:39:39hard to not look for but you know what
0:39:43became the costume of the coolest kids
0:39:47later which is unwashed dark denim
0:39:50rolled up at the cuffs boots
0:39:55hair that was kind of long in front
0:40:00short and back and dark rimmed buddy
0:40:05holly glasses cool look and some kind of
0:40:08black t-shirt or some kind of shirt of
0:40:11you know we're in a white oxford shirt
0:40:13you know that is an extremely cool look
0:40:17and by the time I was out at the end of
0:40:20high school
0:40:21it had it had appeared again or it was
0:40:26recognized as cool but when i first
0:40:28started in high school when like the
0:40:32fashion was jeans super tight jeans that
0:40:36had been bleached and you know like if
0:40:39you showed up in unwashed Levi's know
0:40:41with cuffs you can bet you could buy
0:40:44stuff and I remember the county seat in
0:40:47florida that one of the denim outlets
0:40:49you could buy this stuff that depending
0:40:51on how washed-out you want your jeans to
0:40:53be you could buy your let's talk about
0:40:55it then
0:40:56very cheap unwashed 50 once tossed them
0:40:59in with some of this stuff and get this
0:41:01really square looking fake faded look
0:41:03after a couple of washes yeah right i
0:41:05mean fiber ones were 19 bucks you talked
0:41:07about this i think on your program with
0:41:08Dan and I'm in the same boat i recently
0:41:10bought a new pair of 50 ones and and
0:41:12it's the same deal its virtually
0:41:13impossible to figure out which one's
0:41:15your supposed to get and even still
0:41:17there i think they're 50 bucks yeah I
0:41:20mean it's like it's a little bit like
0:41:23converse converse used to be ten dollars
0:41:25a pair $20 pair i'm so mad at levis that
0:41:28I can't even the can't even talk and is
0:41:30so much to be mad about with Levi's
0:41:32right now but but i but i but i am a i'm
0:41:35so i'm so mad I just taken i took your
0:41:40story so anyway you were wearing the
0:41:41wrong thing at the wrong time what
0:41:42you're wearing eventually kinda came
0:41:43around
0:41:44well that's the thing you just looked
0:41:45like your mom dressed you and you were
0:41:47poor right if you were just wearing
0:41:49unwashed Levi's that were rolled up at
0:41:50the cuffs
0:41:51it just was it just indicated that you
0:41:54lived in an unheated house and and you
0:42:00know and that's the way that's the kind
0:42:03of the way I was set to school and then
0:42:05later on when that became a symbol of
0:42:09like mega cool i didn't change anything
0:42:14I just rolled right into the future but
0:42:17but I don't think I don't think young
0:42:20people today even people a little bit
0:42:21younger than us can remember a time when
0:42:23the geek look the nerd look the nerve
0:42:28especially the nerd rock-and-roll
0:42:30crossover when none of that had happened
0:42:32and nerd was actually shorthand for poor
0:42:36and it was a thing you you tried to
0:42:40avoid at all costs
0:42:42it had a lot tied up in it and in fact I
0:42:45mean if you look at a lot of the
0:42:47mid-eighties sort of john hughes ish
0:42:50movies from the early to mid eighties
0:42:52you can really see that being played out
0:42:54people who looked like he was playing
0:42:58with guys named James you know guys on
0:43:00the Black Widow Spader james spader yeah
0:43:02that Spader I mean Spader apart from
0:43:04looking like he's 30 years old in that
0:43:06movie he looks the way that a lot of
0:43:09cool kids did look at the time what we
0:43:11would then maybe have called preppy I
0:43:13mean but that that look of like heavily
0:43:16self-consciously branded sportswear was
0:43:20was the way to go and look for the girls
0:43:22in my case like it was good they would
0:43:24go to I like a spree there's a lot of a
0:43:25spree where oh yeah so you get you know
0:43:29what I mean you get like the like not
0:43:31the kind of clam diggers then or you get
0:43:33this the striped shirts and get the
0:43:35candy shoes and multiple bracelets and
0:43:37that was the whole thing but you
0:43:39wouldn't look like a farmer
0:43:40no you didn't you wanted to I mean at
0:43:44this
0:43:44I can't I can't go back enough as I
0:43:47thought about this sometimes I wish I
0:43:48could go back and stand in the student
0:43:50center of my school and watch the kids
0:43:53go by and see them with my current eyes
0:43:57rather than with my afflicted eyes the
0:44:01afflicted eyes of teenage life
0:44:03we're just like you know loser cool kid
0:44:07loser stoner cool kid loser
0:44:12I don't even see that kitty such a loser
0:44:14you know like there was so much of that
0:44:17in the in the cult in my culture in high
0:44:22school
0:44:22and I was you know and I was terrified
0:44:25that I was a loser and I didn't did I
0:44:29never succumbed to the to the brand
0:44:32thing or like I'm not going to be a
0:44:34loser I'm in a dress right and i'm going
0:44:35to feather my hair whatever but i would
0:44:38but you know like my my way of
0:44:40communicating to people that I wasn't a
0:44:42loser was that I carried a copy of The
0:44:44Wall Street Journal tucked under my arm
0:44:45and nothing says loser more than a high
0:44:52school kid walking around with an unread
0:44:54copy of The Wall Street Journal
0:44:55secularism but I was convinced that that
0:44:59was the talus man that was going to
0:45:01protect me against other teens because
0:45:05they're gonna be like wood was that who
0:45:07loser and I would be like well I'm just
0:45:11checking my stocks we'll see who's the
0:45:16loser one day
0:45:17hmm and the loser one day is still me I
0:45:23still you know how many stocks guy
0:45:30Germany kids breakfast so I looked up
0:45:34the last name of Thomas and Peter just
0:45:37wondering what's going on with them
0:45:38because it was entirely possible that
0:45:40those guys could have gone on to you
0:45:45know own Microsoft or something
0:45:47I think I think if they if they owned
0:45:49microsoft I would have heard of it but i
0:45:52found one of the first links was to a
0:45:55German General in world war two who was
0:46:01part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler no
0:46:06way and i'm wondering it's a fairly
0:46:09uncommon name and i'm just i'm wondering
0:46:13if the the boys and their father were
0:46:17some sort of like the son of this guy or
0:46:21the nephew of this guy certainly would
0:46:23have left the country left the country
0:46:24and and you know been welcomed in
0:46:28America and it started a new life here
0:46:30but yeah I mean he won the Iron Cross
0:46:33and war one
0:46:35Wow
0:46:36you know he's one of those old prussian
0:46:37guys who was never a Nazi right they
0:46:42were they were they were in the Army
0:46:44right yeah so interesting I never really
0:46:48researched that before I always wondered
0:46:52about that family stone that so it is in
0:46:55their family huh mark one trains i
0:46:59decided not very long ago I was gonna go
0:47:00to the hobby store and get really
0:47:02interested in trains
0:47:04oh really and I was like I'm gonna build
0:47:06a marklin train set this time not not
0:47:08some a chode garbage on the matter has
0:47:11expressed an interest in becoming a
0:47:12trained person and and you haven't liked
0:47:15enthusiastically run to your we don't
0:47:18have a lot of square footage at the
0:47:19house but what happens when the flax as
0:47:21you do and there's this thing she's been
0:47:23wanting to get it's actually it's kind
0:47:24of cool they have a little like a little
0:47:26spinner rack of these different packages
0:47:29of what I was just an easy way to
0:47:31describe it is imagined you wanted to
0:47:33make your scale train set look like
0:47:35stuff so you can buy corn stalks you can
0:47:38buy trees you can get you know get apple
0:47:41trees you can get orange trees you can
0:47:43get you know all these different kinds
0:47:44of things and you make any of these
0:47:45little like little layouts that isn't
0:47:49yeah and I mean it'sit's you can use it
0:47:52for lots of different things I don't
0:47:53even know what scale but she was so
0:47:54thrilled to get a few of those and put
0:47:56it together and now I think she's coming
0:47:58to trains via set-dressing basically
0:48:00she's interested he's most interested in
0:48:01where she puts the cornstalks but trains
0:48:03are definitely beginning to enter into
0:48:05the discussion and so what scale are you
0:48:07starting with um I mean off the top of
0:48:10my head I don't know if it's a specific
0:48:13scale but it looks like it would be
0:48:14closer to end I mean the cornstalks are
0:48:16like it less than an inch i right okay
0:48:19so i think that's a good I think that's
0:48:22a good plan if I had it all to do over
0:48:23again even though h 0 is the standard
0:48:27but settles HR the big one HR not know
0:48:30that anything really big ones are like
0:48:32Lionel big big scale and a lot to learn
0:48:36but uh yeah the thing is that that pho
0:48:42is kind of the one that looks like a
0:48:44train set just looks like you don't even
0:48:47register that it's a scale because it is
0:48:49seems like trains at scale I get it yet
0:48:51but like I have the smaller scales like
0:48:59n scale i just think it's perfect
0:49:00because it's small enough that you can
0:49:02it's big enough that you can still make
0:49:04very detailed things and I think in some
0:49:07ways the detail looks more authentic
0:49:09because it's just examine down and kinda
0:49:11looks the coolest n is 1 2 160 is one
0:49:16below and called Z yes he is too small
0:49:1812 to 24 HR is what I remember so H oh
0:49:22here it looks like his 11 287 all the
0:49:26way to g g which is 12 22 which is just
0:49:29that's asinine that's 2g you could you
0:49:31even use your cat could ride the train
0:49:33right that would be super cute
0:49:34it'd be really cute but you have to do
0:49:36is you have to tape the cat into the
0:49:38time if you had one of those like if you
0:49:42had a little dog but that also suffered
0:49:44from ennui you know like a little dog
0:49:48that was sort of depressed and not like
0:49:49at like a skittish link on and found its
0:49:52back right now exactly you could maybe
0:49:55that maybe I could ride around in the g
0:49:57train you got you got if you got a fair
0:49:59amount of square footage in that place
0:50:01you you could you could have a train set
0:50:03there
0:50:03yeah I couldn't end and i have not ruled
0:50:06it out but I feel like the end scale is
0:50:08the way that you get a tabletop train
0:50:11set that still has enough set dressing
0:50:14because within a chode said if you're
0:50:16probably gonna build an oval on a tree
0:50:18on a tabletop that's all you're going to
0:50:20get the trains just going to go around
0:50:21in a circle
0:50:22oh yeah all the room you have you
0:50:24wouldn't have to do any cool stuff you
0:50:25would need to have it would have
0:50:26stations and towns and waters and stuff
0:50:28like that bridges and switches you needs
0:50:30here's the thing train set is all about
0:50:33the switching like I know you are you
0:50:36get into it through the set-dressing a
0:50:38lot of people do a lot of people get
0:50:40into it through the like oh it's cute
0:50:42little cute train then you build an
0:50:44Overland trains ooman around build a
0:50:47little town but then when you think I
0:50:50need to study to get a switch here and
0:50:53build another bill that building so the
0:50:56Train can sometimes go on this other
0:50:58track that's when the madness sets in
0:51:02and it seems like you're never done
0:51:03right
0:51:06I mean part part of the fun of it is
0:51:08that it would just go on and on forever
0:51:10yeah you build it forever you're always
0:51:12tearing it down you're always like oh
0:51:13you know I'm gonna redo this little
0:51:16corner of the Train Set make it you know
0:51:19make the waterfall more realistic or you
0:51:23know I never really liked like but my
0:51:24challenge was in the town scenes and
0:51:27that and I think anybody that's ever
0:51:29done a diorama of a town is going to
0:51:31recognize this problem which is how do
0:51:35you place the pretend cars on the
0:51:39pretend road where they look like actual
0:51:42traffic and not like how do you space
0:51:46them apart from one another so that they
0:51:48don't look like a kid just came in and
0:51:50put the cars evenly spaced right how do
0:51:54you make it look naturalistic that it's
0:51:56that it's traffic right that
0:51:58yeah there's a rookie a rookie mistake
0:52:00they just set this stuff down without
0:52:02the goal how they pull out of that
0:52:03parking space
0:52:04exactly how do you make it look like how
0:52:07to make it come alive and not look stage
0:52:10and then that's a huge challenge in
0:52:15modeling especially if you're if you're
0:52:18going to go the whole hog into a diorama
0:52:19i went to the state fair this year and
0:52:23walked through the the displays and you
0:52:27know there are whole there's a whole
0:52:29area of the state fair where people put
0:52:31their little dioramas that they've made
0:52:33but also people just display their
0:52:37collections there was a there was a guy
0:52:40that's really just is bring your stuff
0:52:42and put it out
0:52:43yeah that's very healing there's a guy
0:52:45that I know it was a guy had to be good
0:52:47there's like stagecraft to it is put
0:52:49away your stone there's a little bit of
0:52:51stagecraft he had the temerity to to
0:52:54display his collection of pendleton
0:52:58shirts and he like he did a whole
0:53:03display like la my collection of
0:53:06Pendleton's and I stood there marveling
0:53:09at this thing because they were great
0:53:11Pendleton
0:53:12it was a beautiful display he had
0:53:1520-plus Pendleton's when I was like I
0:53:18could fill this barn if the standard is
0:53:23if you have 20 Pendleton's here you're
0:53:25entitled to go to the state fair to
0:53:27arrange them in a display I was like
0:53:29first of all my candlestick display
0:53:33would win Best in Show le just any more
0:53:36questions like how many should i bring
0:53:38yeah my globe display like you know
0:53:41look out I could probably I could
0:53:43probably match that guy with a Pendleton
0:53:45display and i'm walking around this
0:53:46thing it's like all the normal ones
0:53:48where oh this person I you know I'm not
0:53:52gonna I'm not going to generalize about
0:53:54who they might be but this person has
0:53:56collected only butter jars that are
0:54:00shaped like pigs
0:54:02huh like butter like little covered
0:54:05butter dishes that are shaped like like
0:54:08two pigs in love or whatever and they
0:54:10are able to fill up an entire display
0:54:12with with the butter dish shaped with
0:54:15butter dishes of different sizes shapes
0:54:16like two pigs in love and you think
0:54:20that's spectacular like that is more
0:54:23that's monomaniacal and I give it to you
0:54:26but then the display where it's just
0:54:28like every kind of betty boop doll that
0:54:30you can find ya where where it's not
0:54:34that we're it's not weird enough like 22
0:54:37digs in love that's a theme and then
0:54:39that's what that would be a life's work
0:54:41John right but to limited to butter
0:54:43dishes like okay you are on you are on
0:54:46something or you are onto something and
0:54:49that the where the line is between on
0:54:51something and onto something
0:54:53it's you know it's just it seems very
0:54:55small but it's but it's like I am always
0:54:59trying to find where the break point is
0:55:02there between on something onto
0:55:04something so I'm walking around this
0:55:07thing and I'm like where would my if I
0:55:09were going to go to the state fair and
0:55:11put something down here like what would
0:55:15it be and how would I blow their minds
0:55:17how would I how would I indicate that i
0:55:20am onto something and not just on
0:55:21something and then I gotta come around
0:55:24the corner and there's a guy who
0:55:25as a collection of snare drums and it's
0:55:31and it fills a wall and I when I walk
0:55:35over to various very slowly and you know
0:55:36it's one of these things where when you
0:55:38pan back in the in the film you know all
0:55:41the other people are moving around very
0:55:42fast they're stopping and looking at
0:55:45stuff they're all in fast motion and I
0:55:48am in regular motion you can all it i'm
0:55:50building commission can visualize this
0:55:52i'm walking over to the drums and I'm
0:55:55like what the fuck is this like is this
0:55:59a bunch of junk or is this the most
0:56:03amazing thing I've ever seen and as I
0:56:05get closer I realized that it is amazing
0:56:07that this guy has old black beauties he
0:56:13has he has 25 different lucite snares of
0:56:20different rainbow colors from the from
0:56:23the ludwig years like he's got a snare
0:56:27drum from every era and representing you
0:56:34know all of the superstar drive snare
0:56:37drum porn
0:56:38basically he's got snares there that are
0:56:39worth $80,000 his snare collection
0:56:43belongs not in a museum but on top of
0:56:46the Empire State Building with a giant
0:56:48flag indicating its presence like it is
0:56:52a masterwork of craziness because to
0:56:57have that many stairs is insane but they
0:57:01were beautiful
0:57:02every single one of them was fantastic
0:57:04and I'm standing there staring at this
0:57:05thing and people walking by and my own
0:57:07family is taking up my sleeve and saying
0:57:09come on let's go
0:57:10like there's so much more to see like we
0:57:12have to go get burned corn that's
0:57:14covered with mayonnaise and and find
0:57:17some deep-fried like deep France
0:57:20deep-fried butter and I am mesmerised
0:57:24not just by the beauty of this above
0:57:27these pieces
0:57:28I'm just trying to get inside this
0:57:30person's mind at some point earlier some
0:57:34point early enough in the world that
0:57:37they could still acquire these snares
0:57:39without because you could tell this guy
0:57:42had never paid $80,000 for a snare right
0:57:44it's all it's a long game write
0:57:46something where he's he's been doing
0:57:47this for a while
0:57:48this is a lifetime pursuit and he
0:57:51recognizes that some of these snares
0:57:53belong in a museum and I don't even know
0:57:55if there is a museum for snares I think
0:57:57it starts with this man and a but he's
0:58:01been collecting them for a long time and
0:58:02he has the 59 Les Paul of snares and he
0:58:05has multiple versions of it
0:58:07Wow and he knows enough about it and
0:58:10he's got little three-by-five cards that
0:58:12he has typed with a typewriter that are
0:58:15talking about the difference in hardware
0:58:17and there are a couple of drums when
0:58:19he's like this is a very curious piece
0:58:21and now he's only talking to me
0:58:24alright John this this sounds very close
0:58:26to something me you need to be doing
0:58:29yeah they're the the fair has been going
0:58:31for three weeks and probably five people
0:58:33have stopped and stared at this thing
0:58:35and the other 4 guys you know all had
0:58:39really long hair and we're wearing a
0:58:43sleeveless t-shirt shaped like a British
0:58:45flag your spook you're saying I'm up
0:58:48takes in love with probably draw draw
0:58:49more foot traffic a lot more people at
0:58:51the fair going to stop at the pigs and
0:58:53love butter dishes but so I'm sitting
0:58:55I'm reading these little cards and he's
0:58:57like technically this Hardware shouldn't
0:59:00be brass but it is and that and that
0:59:05poses several questions about the date
0:59:08of manufacture and my aunt and my theory
0:59:14is that when they discontinued the model
0:59:18beforehand they had some hardware left
0:59:20over and they built this and that you
0:59:22know he's just talking about these he's
0:59:25talking about these drums like from the
0:59:27standpoint of exactly the kind of crazy
0:59:30that I am so it's not enough that he's
0:59:33discovered something that probably
0:59:35nobody else cares about let alone
0:59:37noticed but he's got a reckon he's got
0:59:39he's got a theory on why it happen
0:59:41and that's right and he's got to sit and
0:59:43go like Newark Newark Newark about it
0:59:45intended and like I'm sure that he I'm
0:59:50sure that he has clutched that drum to
0:59:53his chest and swayed back and forth like
0:59:56mm that's some shit that's
0:59:56mm that's some shit that's
1:00:00because he's thought about the he's
1:00:03thought about the life that this drum
1:00:05has led right
1:00:07he knows that he knows the data was made
1:00:09but he also knows that it has made its
1:00:12way through time retaining a certain
1:00:17characteristics that other drugs have
1:00:19lost it has retained its you know
1:00:21there's he had a couple of drums then
1:00:23had a where their finish was a was like
1:00:28a a print of the signatures of all the
1:00:32great drummers of that era like somebody
1:00:36got buddy rich and Gene Krupa and all
1:00:39these guys to sign
1:00:41Wow a piece of paper and then they
1:00:43reproduce it and made it into a into a
1:00:47cover for a drum for snare and he had
1:00:51multiples of this there were different
1:00:54colors and he was and he was like dis
1:00:56court discoursing like this one is very
1:01:01own you this one is very unusual and I'm
1:01:04just like oh my god where are you
1:01:07you've gotta be around here somewhere I
1:01:08have to talk to you now because you know
1:01:12these things that these things were rare
1:01:13to begin with but what makes them
1:01:16interesting is that they made this that
1:01:17made this journey and he has thought
1:01:21about their journey and the you know and
1:01:23the parts of the journey that he can
1:01:24tell he wants to tell in the parts that
1:01:27he can't tell our we'll always be we'll
1:01:31always be curious about them he wants
1:01:32somebody to call him up and say that was
1:01:34my drum back in nineteen fifty like
1:01:36nothing would make him happier when the
1:01:38fact that it's something that's so we're
1:01:39so rare and so weird that it must feel a
1:01:42little bit magical that not only made it
1:01:44but one of the few people in the world
1:01:46who can fully appreciate it is the
1:01:48person who has it now
1:01:49yeah yeah somewhat miraculous that all
1:01:52those things lined up in the way they
1:01:53did
1:01:54yeah here's the thing and it's and there
1:01:58were multiple multiple times in its life
1:02:00where it could have been worse some
1:02:02teenage kid could have been like oh yeah
1:02:04I found this drum in my dad's basement
1:02:05let's start a band and let's spray paint
1:02:08it black to make it look cool
1:02:12and that didn't happen to this drum you
1:02:16know right a kid did knots did not sand
1:02:19the finish off of his dad's 55 les paul
1:02:21and paint it with Gene Simmons his face
1:02:25it was left alone but not left alone in
1:02:31a moldy basement where it was destroyed
1:02:32left alone somewhere where it was
1:02:34protected and I mean it's just like a
1:02:37butt
1:02:38so eventually I was I had to be dragged
1:02:41away from this thing because I because I
1:02:43just wanted to stay there until the fair
1:02:45closed and until this person came to get
1:02:47these drawings you never got to talk to
1:02:49him or her not around this the the drum
1:02:52collector remained a mystery to me it
1:02:55was I was just seeing into them i was
1:02:57looking into them through this weirdness
1:03:01and oh the best part of it is this is a
1:03:07person who thought to bring it to the
1:03:09fair
1:03:10yeah how does that how do you think
1:03:12there must be some intermediary
1:03:14organization of collectors like that no
1:03:17God the weekend I mean I mean is there
1:03:19like an RFP they send out some kind of
1:03:21announcement hey if you have a lot of
1:03:23something and want to bring it to the
1:03:24fair here's how to do it
1:03:25yeah look I don't know I mean that this
1:03:28is the type of thing i would expect to
1:03:29see up above the counter in a in a store
1:03:34in New York City where when you walk in
1:03:37and ask the person behind the counter
1:03:39for something he yells at you
1:03:40yeah sure right this is this is the type
1:03:43of thing that you would see at sam ash
1:03:45music in midtown as a you know like this
1:03:51is the only place in the world where you
1:03:52will see this acceptance at the puyallup
1:03:54fair in Washington and I don't and I
1:03:57don't know where it is now it all got
1:03:58boxed up and its back in this persons
1:04:00living room burr or or I mean the thing
1:04:03is it's not in the Attic it's to this is
1:04:07not a thing that just gets trotted out
1:04:09once a year it has it lives somewhere I
1:04:12don't know
1:04:13well everyone let's get to the the
1:04:14really crazy part which is in all of
1:04:16that chain now who knows maybe the most
1:04:18telling part is you were there to see it
1:04:21of all people mmm don't you think so
1:04:24well that's the thing so I'm wondering
1:04:25like if I'm
1:04:26go to the puyallup fair next year and
1:04:28I'm gonna take up one of these boots and
1:04:29i'm going to put a collection there like
1:04:32what is it i caii return back to what I
1:04:35said before I think you should do a
1:04:36little bit of research about how those
1:04:38folks got there because first of all
1:04:39make sure it's a party you really want
1:04:41to go to this my this is this my great
1:04:45is that you think about having a special
1:04:46i also cannot believe that the
1:04:47perpetrator was not standing there with
1:04:49his stuff the whole time because I mean
1:04:51like Gollum I imagine he's pretty
1:04:52particular about who touches the snares
1:04:54well we couldn't touch them they were
1:04:56they were you know if I if you could
1:04:58touch him I wouldn't touch them like
1:05:00crazy stuff happens but you know and
1:05:01also you got to be careful because you
1:05:02know you might not go there and for
1:05:03three weeks and having lunch with the
1:05:04pigs and love lady or man
1:05:06well that's the thing if you're if
1:05:07you're at a party like that and you get
1:05:10and you end up talking to the Betty Boop
1:05:12person who you're like so when did you
1:05:15start collecting Betty Boop and they're
1:05:17like oh I've been collecting Betty Boop
1:05:18for 30 years and you go right I can tell
1:05:20you've got like 10,000 Betty Boop's
1:05:23there
1:05:23what is your like standard of selecting
1:05:27them and the person looks at you kind of
1:05:30quickly and goes what do you mean I just
1:05:32buy all the Betty Boop's I by everybody
1:05:34boot right you go write a lot of those
1:05:37Betty Boop's were made in china and
1:05:39they're like what does that have to do
1:05:41with anything
1:05:42it's usually right you know i'm not
1:05:45interested in just buying everybody
1:05:47boots because when you're when you're
1:05:48looking well that's Betty boobs are pigs
1:05:50in love or snare drums which are
1:05:52passionately interested in your
1:05:54interested in let's say 20 items that
1:05:56they have but you're also incredibly
1:05:58interested by extension in the 50,000
1:06:00things that they didn't bother was not
1:06:02part of the curation sure what makes it
1:06:04special is that why should I got a whole
1:06:06lot of storage shed full of betty boop
1:06:08so who cares those are all that's a
1:06:10little cast of losers bring on Antiques
1:06:11Roadshow no sir
1:06:12did you notice making 73 copyright on
1:06:14your haha i like those this Shirley
1:06:17Temple doll was made five years simple
1:06:19if you had if you had a ton of money if
1:06:22you had 500 grand and you wanted to go
1:06:25compile a collection of snare drums
1:06:28where you're only story was i bought
1:06:31this because it was expensive
1:06:35you could you could you could build a
1:06:37collection of snare drums you could
1:06:39build any kind of collection
1:06:40he just went and bought it's the it's
1:06:42that this that he he knew he had looked
1:06:46he had looked at the threads of the
1:06:49screws right and had something salient
1:06:52to say about it
1:06:53so yeah like we walked by one that was a
1:06:56wall of Winnie the Pooh's and it had the
1:07:01same it was the Betty Boop story was
1:07:02just like you know it's a wall
1:07:03winnie-the-pooh said it may be their
1:07:05work maybe there are a dozen Winnie the
1:07:08Pooh's in here that have something
1:07:10interesting to say but I can't tell
1:07:11because you're just trying to overwhelm
1:07:13me with with quantity right and so
1:07:17you're at the you're at the party here
1:07:18at the pre-party and you get you get you
1:07:22get cornered by the Betty Boop in the
1:07:24winnie the pooh person
1:07:25yes just like listen I really want to
1:07:27talk to the pigs in love butter dish
1:07:30person that is my kind of crazy and
1:07:34they're just they're over talk about the
1:07:35snare drum Caillou never you maybe get
1:07:36you get in the wrong
1:07:38click it seems like this must bring up a
1:07:41lot of questions for you that one of the
1:07:43questions i'm guessing must be if you
1:07:45were hypothetically going to bring one
1:07:47of your numerous collections to the
1:07:49Apollo Apollo hope obama affair
1:07:52what up to have a sense of like it would
1:07:55be gloves would it be candles
1:07:56what kinds of things do you feel like
1:07:57you need to share what you feel you
1:07:59could best curate for the audience there
1:08:01if I if I wanted to just overwhelm them
1:08:04i would just take my collection of a
1:08:07little field field notes books that i've
1:08:10never written anything in four right
1:08:13because every it seems like for the last
1:08:1510 years every single event i go to the
1:08:20in the schwag bag is 0 is a package of
1:08:24three fields notes field notes books
1:08:28that 25 years ago i would have
1:08:31compulsively filled those things with
1:08:35crazy ranting but somehow I and so and
1:08:42so I complain so I collect them because
1:08:44they still represent to me this
1:08:47opportunity because it used to be when I
1:08:50was 20 years old it was hard to get a-a
1:08:53little notebook that fit in the pocket
1:08:54of your jeans that you could write your
1:08:56screens on their hands on their well
1:09:00made and they're free and free in your
1:09:01case you get them for free i feel i feel
1:09:03the thousand types of those before
1:09:06fields field notes were invented so what
1:09:08I see them when i get them
1:09:09I'm always pleased that i can gather
1:09:11them to me but I i could do nothing for
1:09:16the rest of my life but rant that crazy
1:09:18scribble rant in a field notebook and i
1:09:21still would not feel fill all the ones i
1:09:23have have enough i have enough for for a
1:09:26like the library at Alexandria
1:09:30completely written i could be i could be
1:09:33the guy in the movie seven just with
1:09:35field looks so i could just blow
1:09:38people's minds with all of the different
1:09:39i could just do a whole display was just
1:09:41like this guy's in seen why is he that
1:09:45doesn't even seem like a container I
1:09:46mean it's a great notebooks I've got a
1:09:47couple right here but yeah but is it is
1:09:49see I feel like this could be a nice
1:09:51clarifying moment for you because it
1:09:54causes you to not first of all the idea
1:09:57of this being an opportunity is since
1:09:59it's so interesting because it's so
1:10:00close to so many things you've been
1:10:01talking about doing but it's also
1:10:03clarifying the sense of like okay maybe
1:10:05I maybe I am a collector of many kinds
1:10:07of things but if I were going to decide
1:10:09like what's the one kind of these things
1:10:12that i'm on one hand was interested in
1:10:15curating and sharing but also like okay
1:10:17with taking to like an open area in a
1:10:19barn
1:10:19like what would that be you have a set
1:10:21rough sense of that well you know lately
1:10:23the last few years i've been very
1:10:25interested in wool blankets like throws
1:10:29the kind of blanket that you would some
1:10:34of them would not going on a lot of curb
1:10:36appeal right come on a lot of blood
1:10:39they wouldn't be out of place like
1:10:43thrown across your legs at a football
1:10:44game
1:10:45oh no III value blankets it's just I
1:10:47don't know that has has a lot as as a
1:10:50live performance environment you've
1:10:52gotta see my collection of blankets
1:10:54something to really pop the guy with the
1:10:57Pendleton shirt collection the the
1:11:00unifying characteristic of them they're
1:11:02all Pendleton
1:11:03yeah whereas I have a little on the nose
1:11:07I have penalty blankets but i also have
1:11:08Hudson Bay blankets i have blankets from
1:11:10the caribou mill I have blankets from
1:11:14you know there are a lot of there are a
1:11:17lot of regional miss like fabric mills
1:11:21and looms in the old days that made
1:11:24their signature American blankets and I
1:11:29have some from a lot of those i have
1:11:31some from Scotland I have some that are
1:11:33made of cashmere and if you put them all
1:11:36together you start to go like who this
1:11:41is this is a thing this is a real this
1:11:44is something that I wouldn't have
1:11:48noticed but now i'm at the fair and i'm
1:11:50being shown how little I knew right
1:11:55that's going again but i mean i guess i
1:11:58don't know maybe I'm over overthinking
1:12:00overstating this but it feels like this
1:12:02is the kind of thing that will come to
1:12:03you in a dream and get you actually
1:12:05lived it like you had the opportunity
1:12:06not just see that this can exist but
1:12:08that it does exist and you didn't have
1:12:10the experience of walking through it and
1:12:12seeing what worked and didn't work for
1:12:14you and this puts you in the position
1:12:15that i feel like if i may say that
1:12:17you've been craving for two or three
1:12:18years which is what does am I on to
1:12:20something or am I was afraid my onto
1:12:22something on my own something that in so
1:12:25I mean you must be clarifying to because
1:12:27now you could say well given the amount
1:12:29of space i might have for this what
1:12:31could I display best now it's become
1:12:33more artful thing because you could
1:12:34think about what would what would have
1:12:36curb appeal to show like this but the
1:12:38problem is i'm not sure that maybe I'm
1:12:40not just on something right like when I
1:12:44think a year to find out what when I
1:12:46think about it it would be like here's
1:12:48my collection few candlesticks some
1:12:51globes some historical atlases couple of
1:12:56switchblades some blankets a few
1:12:59different kinds of
1:13:03like land jaegers uh-huh some beer
1:13:08steins that are staying with coffee all
1:13:15of the US presidents represented in
1:13:17dolls you don't actually have that day
1:13:21so I do some beach some rocks at the
1:13:24beach that have a that have some kind of
1:13:26what are called wish rocks which are
1:13:30rocks that have a us a ring around them
1:13:32arm like a jar of those over that like
1:13:39twenty dollars in about 80 different
1:13:41currencies worldwide on the Washington
1:13:44State Fair page and I have to be honest
1:13:47i'm having trouble finding what this
1:13:48thing is called but there are many
1:13:49interesting things at the fair
1:13:51I won't tell you that much it's a hobby
1:13:53hall I think it might be hobby hall is
1:13:56it hobbie hall for an amazing look at
1:13:57the intriguing world of crafts and
1:13:59collections from lego displays to try
1:14:01collections two coins and everything
1:14:02in-between quirky is a great description
1:14:04for all the fascinating personal
1:14:06collections on display in the Hobby home
1:14:08well so that's the thing like if you
1:14:10just if you just build some stuff on
1:14:12Legos you can put it at the hobby hall
1:14:13if you build a scale if you build a
1:14:16scale model of the house from psycho and
1:14:21want to show it to people i mean that
1:14:23will put that right in the center of the
1:14:25room I don't want to put you on the spot
1:14:26John but the page concludes the link and
1:14:29the link says you love to collect were
1:14:31key items learn how to enter your very
1:14:33own display here you know the link so
1:14:36what I'm trying to picture now is the
1:14:37snare drum collector following like
1:14:40going to this page at some point in
1:14:41their life
1:14:42I'm saying you know what I'm I'm doing
1:14:44it because I i go to the fair every year
1:14:45and I always walk through hobby hall
1:14:48I see a lot of crazy stuff i see some
1:14:50stuff that really turns me on i see some
1:14:52stuff that really turns me off but the
1:14:56snare drum collection I've never seen
1:14:57before
1:14:58this isn't this person has come out of
1:14:59the woodwork
1:15:01I'm right now on the
1:15:0822 page PDF that you can review already
1:15:13got to get going
1:15:15it lays out all of the different kinds
1:15:16of prices that you can win
1:15:18it's got an entire John i encourage you
1:15:20to look at this it's got the entire
1:15:21taxonomy including the cat Dewey Decimal
1:15:24like system all the classes of intensive
1:15:27so let's say for example just kind of
1:15:28just toss one out for fun
1:15:29ok let's say you're interested in egg
1:15:31art okay thats continues its division 2
1:15:3422 / in some of these there's an
1:15:37important note all entries must be real
1:15:39eggs
1:15:40well I'm this is if you've seen these
1:15:42yes people make holes that it's just
1:15:45like a train set set dressing is the is
1:15:47the real appeal before I accept your
1:15:50dressing eggs and they are interacting
1:15:52Beatles so that's the vision to 22 then
1:15:54you got classes start with 4800 diorama
1:15:56hinge mechanical decoupage hand-painted
1:15:58beaded jeweled fancy cut natural dye wax
1:16:00resist scratched scratched eggs holiday
1:16:03miniature these smaller than chicken egg
1:16:06or 4865 you've got other eggs smaller
1:16:09the chicken eggs smaller than chicken
1:16:10egg now that's just in the agar division
1:16:12smaller than chicken egg is not a subset
1:16:15of other eggs and there's no wonder if
1:16:18you got involved with the governing
1:16:19board here I think you could help a lot
1:16:20of people
1:16:21mhm dolls decorative arts or soft toys
1:16:25handcrafted soft toys and animals your
1:16:30diaper reproduction dolls they're all
1:16:33they're all kinds of people that walk in
1:16:35there like this my winnie the pooh
1:16:36collection and whoever the judges that's
1:16:38like well technically it says
1:16:39handcrafted but you know Johnny thanks I
1:16:43don't take up the whole episode can I
1:16:45just point to scrapbooking division 2 18
1:16:48ok so class 4320 traditional layout
1:16:52digital layout hybrid layout which is a
1:16:53combination of traditional and digital
1:16:54photography that's for school they have
1:16:57juniors and adults and scrapbooking so
1:16:59your daughter can do this if you're
1:17:00under 16 going to do i do a hybrid
1:17:03layout that's a 4336 hey there there was
1:17:07someone you know now I'm really
1:17:09reminiscent of the fair someone who had
1:17:10a double-wide booth to taking up the
1:17:15space of two booths just for their duran
1:17:18duran memorabilia
1:17:20haha this is a duran duran duran duran
1:17:24that's right and frankly I spent quite a
1:17:27bit of time studying it and my
1:17:31experience of it was two things a lot of
1:17:33that stuff was purchased not in the
1:17:38Canonical's or an era but post seven and
1:17:41the ragged tiger michaël Opie write out
1:17:43a period out of period it was you know
1:17:45it's like it's not brand-new duran duran
1:17:48stuff but it's too random stuff from
1:17:491994 so my even though i'm looking at
1:17:56this you know i'm studying this thing
1:17:57pretty carefully
1:17:58I'm discounting a lot of that stuff like
1:18:02post there's there i'm sure there's
1:18:06plenty of disagreement but I feel like
1:18:08post even 80 for you to render and stuff
1:18:12is not your post 84 duran duran stuff
1:18:15you're like tour program from indonesia
1:18:17in 2001 is not that's not killing it for
1:18:21me and the next thought I had was I have
1:18:25some pieces that this person doesn't
1:18:28have I have the director and velcro
1:18:32wallet that would that I know if this
1:18:37person got a hold of the director and
1:18:38while velcro wallet would be front and
1:18:41center they would have it that's
1:18:42licensed I bet that wasn't licensed I i
1:18:45have had an unlicensed Adam and the ants
1:18:47wallet that I treasured probably not
1:18:50licensed although you know you never
1:18:52know Russian the members John it's only
1:18:5422 pages i feel but i but but another
1:18:58part of the another part of the joy for
1:19:00me would be to go around and kind of
1:19:03like get into a little bit of a disc
1:19:05battle
1:19:06uh-huh with a lot of these people like
1:19:08like to walk up on the dram person and
1:19:11just throw down the thing you'd step to
1:19:13them
1:19:14yeah that's right throw down the velcro
1:19:15wall and be like what do you got they
1:19:16can we got the commands that you know
1:19:18that some rap battle but about things no
1:19:20one cares about right don't show me some
1:19:22picture disc like do you have some merch
1:19:26i'm talking about merch now our station
1:19:29coke mirror
1:19:30yeah writer or a painter's cap with
1:19:33two flaps hanging down the back oh
1:19:36that's a great look that up from the
1:19:38movie break into you have something I
1:19:41mean can you like can you really come
1:19:43back with something that you didn't just
1:19:45didn't just buy you know because you are
1:19:4830 and you got into drag around at some
1:19:50later period like days right you
1:19:53couldn't there must be a lot of like
1:19:54signal-to-noise ratio because of ebay
1:19:56and people making money was always
1:19:59losing you start paper in the walls a
1:20:01lot of shit you bought off the internet
1:20:02and I guess that's not collecting that's
1:20:03just that's just that's just buying
1:20:04things and having a room
1:20:06yeah it's like don't you go into a
1:20:07thrift store now and that and they have
1:20:09they all have first of all they all have
1:20:10racks of like more expensive clothes
1:20:13better brands as they say that brands
1:20:16which back in the day they didn't do now
1:20:19that you're out shirts yeah his shirts
1:20:21go two shirts but now they have better
1:20:23brands and what cracks me up is that now
1:20:25so they had better brands for a while
1:20:27but now you walk into throwing you
1:20:28search through the better brands and
1:20:29it's like american eagle and right and
1:20:33old maybe in your like who are you
1:20:35people
1:20:36I think to be a better brand your shirt
1:20:37should probably have been made by an
1:20:39adult
1:20:39yeah but that's not that's not the case
1:20:41anymore I mean yes i agree better brand
1:20:44implies to me that it was made by hand
1:20:46by someone in America you're and that's
1:20:48not a child that's not a child right huh
1:20:52but that's not that's not the case
1:20:54anymore old navy old maybe in the better
1:20:56brains Bobby Hauck elections rules there
1:20:58are some things you should familiarize
1:20:59yourself with I'm afraid to go down this
1:21:02rabbit hole will have a field first rule
1:21:04of hobby haha Corrections is a little
1:21:06talk about hobby lobby all collections
1:21:08now closed
1:21:10previously display collections may be
1:21:12resubmitted after two years
1:21:13whoa so their scarcity no selling or
1:21:16soliciting number five no suggested
1:21:19materials will be accepted but there are
1:21:22some people that are better pushing the
1:21:23envelope on that Betty Boop has there's
1:21:25a lot of pain hallway to eat that's true
1:21:27when we get to number six the fair
1:21:29reserves the right to remove any
1:21:30material from any exhibit that might be
1:21:32objectionable that's where did very
1:21:34poorly said material will be held in a
1:21:36secure place until exhibit is picked up
1:21:37at the close of the fair you can have it
1:21:39back when we're done the exhibitor will
1:21:41be notified imagine that convention they
1:21:43go and grab a snare drum and go take it
1:21:44somewhere and you can have it back at
1:21:46the end
1:21:46yeah because it doesn't meet their
1:21:48standards at some painting on it there
1:21:50was there was a guy who did a display in
1:21:53honor of the f-4 phantom and he
1:21:56obviously built several models of the f4
1:21:59which were handsome he done a good job
1:22:01but then he had some photocopied
1:22:05boilerplate about the f4 which is like
1:22:09anybody anybody walking through here
1:22:12knows all this stuff already obviously
1:22:14right if you're gonna walk over and look
1:22:16at the f-4 phantom display at the hobby
1:22:19hall here
1:22:20you already know about the f-4 phantom
1:22:22it's that's not a thing that somebody is
1:22:24like a look at the pigs look at the many
1:22:26boobs look at the f4 phantoms you know
1:22:29no it's elvis presley was a
1:22:31rock-and-roll serie the devil you say
1:22:33exactly same song obvious anybody here
1:22:36that's a rookie rookie information
1:22:37that's rookie information and you could
1:22:39tell after a while that what it was he
1:22:41was trying to fill up his booth because
1:22:42all he really had was like forever for
1:22:47that he built which is great and great
1:22:49start but then he had a couple of like f
1:22:52for toys like toys that you admire
1:22:54anything that may be that guy would not
1:22:56get a presentation he gotta be called a
1:22:58poster you got a science fair project
1:23:00you get this much area you get a chair
1:23:01get a chair to sit on and hold up your
1:23:03one good thing that's right so don't you
1:23:05know don't go on the internet and copy
1:23:07off somebody f4 phantom was originally
1:23:09designed as it's like no no no tell us
1:23:12something we don't know about the f-4
1:23:13phantom and and and that's what made
1:23:16this display a little bit weird because
1:23:18a couple of the models that he'd built
1:23:20we're not just your standard Navy issue
1:23:22phantom it was like these were
1:23:25interesting that they had radar pods
1:23:27they were weird but you know he did say
1:23:29he did say to the maybe not everyone
1:23:32knows that the f4 was the first aircraft
1:23:35that was used by all the branches of the
1:23:38service that's an interesting fact
1:23:40interesting fact right yep it's
1:23:42interceptor for all all bring all
1:23:45branches for those were the days right
1:23:48I feel like I'm kind of letting you off
1:23:50easy i don't want to pressure you i'm
1:23:52just looking just in large and large
1:23:53broad swath just generally speaking
1:23:56well first of all let me ask let's go
1:23:57two steps 00 rule of AA bhi hall do you
1:24:01think you want to do this would you
1:24:02consider will you consider this
1:24:03that's the I just don't know who my
1:24:05audience is there it's basically the
1:24:07population of Washington State everybody
1:24:09comes
1:24:09yeah there was gonna be a little people
1:24:11that would be interested I thought for a
1:24:13while that I was going to collect letter
1:24:14openers that have been carved out of
1:24:16mahogany and I have don't have them i
1:24:21have just enough i don't have just
1:24:23enough letter openers because with the
1:24:27first few that I got I was like this is
1:24:29weird
1:24:30who would make a knife out of wood right
1:24:32right I need to take this home and study
1:24:35it more closely and so I took it home
1:24:37and I studied more closely and after a
1:24:38time I realized oh these are combat
1:24:43knives
1:24:44I don't think some of them are cars are
1:24:45in correspondence knives
1:24:47yeah these are the this is meant to sit
1:24:49on your desk and then you open letters
1:24:50with it so that I was like oh that's
1:24:52interesting and then I would see them i
1:24:54would say not not not garbage ones but
1:24:57one that had been ones that have been
1:24:59hand-made right and so I have just
1:25:03enough of those but the problem is I
1:25:05haven't I haven't gone down the rabbit
1:25:07hole haven't sought out other letter
1:25:09opener collectors compared notes with
1:25:12them at this happened to me one time I
1:25:15I've been collecting a cool ray
1:25:18sunglasses which one of this they're
1:25:21cheap sunglasses from the old days in a
1:25:27raid and knock off they were made by
1:25:30Polaroid I think and they were not they
1:25:34were not ray bans knockoffs exactly they
1:25:37were they were because they were cheap
1:25:41they were you could make them in a lot
1:25:44of different kind of crazy wacky styles
1:25:47and so you can really collect cool ray
1:25:51sunglasses in like it you can make a
1:25:55very cool collection of them because
1:25:56they're just so many of them
1:25:58and they're very very cool-looking it's
1:26:01that it's the perfect sort of at sea
1:26:03thing
1:26:05cool ray sunglasses perfect kind of
1:26:07thing that you would find there but I
1:26:11had a pretty good collection of cool ray
1:26:12sunglasses I thought and was at a party
1:26:17one day talking to a punk rock
1:26:20photographer guy i know and i was like I
1:26:27think he might have had some cool raise
1:26:29hanging off of the pocket of his fifties
1:26:31bowling shirt was like nice cooler is it
1:26:35was like oh thanks i was like yeah I got
1:26:39a little collection of those it was like
1:26:41oh really now already I already knew I
1:26:45was in trouble and I was like well yeah
1:26:49I do actually have a pretty cool
1:26:51collection of dozens like he also do i
1:26:57do you wanna compare and I was like fuck
1:27:03him on the ropes already here
1:27:04yeah because I've got a great collection
1:27:07of sunglasses the numbers in the
1:27:10hundreds but i don't but they're not
1:27:11it's not like cool ray right and he's at
1:27:15this party he's got some hanging off of
1:27:17the pocket of his shirt which is just
1:27:19like a fishing lure for exactly the
1:27:24bigmouth bass of me who wanders up and
1:27:28is like old yummy these all pics and
1:27:32then he's like now I've got a live one
1:27:34he knows what these are and he thinks
1:27:35he's he thinks he's got something to say
1:27:37about them and so over the course of
1:27:42knowing this guy for a long time I
1:27:44realized that he is a true cool ray
1:27:46collector and he has hundreds of them
1:27:49and so I'm sending in pictures you know
1:27:52that this is like basically like sexting
1:27:54between middle-aged collector dudes I'm
1:27:58like this happen to be unix that's right
1:28:01hey you have this one and I'm not
1:28:03sending a picture of my best pair cool
1:28:05raise I i know enough about the scare
1:28:09you keep your powder dry keep the powder
1:28:11dry start way
1:28:12up the chain I'm like what about but but
1:28:13you know but not send him the one that
1:28:15everybody's got right like yeah what
1:28:17about these and he's just like sends me
1:28:19back a picture of like 15 of them back
1:28:23okay so then I i skipped a couple of
1:28:25head and I'm like these ones are pretty
1:28:27cool i'm not even trying to I'm not even
1:28:29fronting to him anymore I'm just like I
1:28:33I like these ones these are cool send
1:28:35him one and he's send me back a picture
1:28:37of that one and then the 10 iterations
1:28:39on either side of it i'm just like i
1:28:41don't i am beat
1:28:44and so I go immediately I'm out of this
1:28:45game right I go immediately to my best
1:28:48pair and he's got those two and then in
1:28:53desperation I take a picture of my
1:28:57entire glasses collection and I'm like
1:29:03and I'd I'm not I'm not throwing it down
1:29:05like boom I'm just like well you know
1:29:09sometimes it's hard to find all the cool
1:29:11raise that I have interspersed amongst
1:29:13all these other amazing glasses that I
1:29:16have that you probably don't
1:29:17how's your barn a collection dude you
1:29:19know like I send him this thing and what
1:29:22he writes back he doesn't send a picture
1:29:23back he writes back i noticed that you
1:29:27shot your collection from underneath
1:29:31from the floor you laid on the floor to
1:29:34take this picture to make your Tower of
1:29:38glasses see more impressive and I was
1:29:41just like oh I'm defeated utterly
1:29:45defeated by this he didn't feel like he
1:29:48had to come back at you
1:29:50he didn't heat and and part of the
1:29:52application was all of my classes
1:29:54wouldn't even fit in a single frame
1:29:57oh and I you know and and and basically
1:30:00like I have a bigger fish to fry right
1:30:02now junior and I just like that she's
1:30:06got more important people send pictures
1:30:08of sunglasses too
1:30:09yeah I just slunk away i slunk away
1:30:13yeah i yeah okay I take your point this
1:30:16may not be the thing for you
1:30:18what so what would you if you were if
1:30:22somebody came in and they were like
1:30:23listen mother we know that this isn't
1:30:24your thing but you have to fill up a
1:30:27booth at the fair
1:30:30it's part of its part of your parole
1:30:32it's part of its part of your transition
1:30:35to the next layer to the next level
1:30:38what would your booth would your your
1:30:41glass case containing I don't know what
1:30:43time i would have said zippo lighters I
1:30:45don't have a huge collection but you
1:30:47know I had a dozen or so I you know I
1:30:49don't have a good current collection of
1:30:52things that aren't just purely garbage
1:30:54I don't have that anymore you used to
1:30:57have
1:30:57didn't you used to have figurines used
1:30:59to have like like anything yeah I don't
1:31:03have anything I don't have anything rare
1:31:04or unusual it'll be more like if I went
1:31:07to Target Field a few bags and then
1:31:09happened to go to the fair and put it on
1:31:10the table so it's not you don't have
1:31:12like ren and stimpy in their original
1:31:13box that type of stuff don't have
1:31:15anything in its original box and that's
1:31:18a good climate is fair enough cheese I
1:31:21don't know there's a time when I
1:31:22would've said maybe records but what
1:31:24you're describing is so dispiriting
1:31:25because what you're describing is kind
1:31:26of my experience of dealing with a lot
1:31:28of folks like this where it's why nerds
1:31:30get a bad name is things like this where
1:31:33there's no way that this ends that
1:31:34anybody's actually happy like it's not
1:31:36joyful it's not celebratory it's like
1:31:39two guys with micro penises like
1:31:40whipping it out as much as one can with
1:31:43a micropenis
1:31:43you know what I hate to disappoint you
1:31:46or anything you know this already but
1:31:47the zippo lighter guy
1:31:49yeah the zippo lighter guys got 800
1:31:53lighters yeah right yeah and you know
1:31:56and they're they're from Vietnam and you
1:31:58don't want the challenge I'm trying to
1:31:59answer the challenge i'm telling you i
1:32:01think i would come up short
1:32:02I'm looking around my office now i don't
1:32:04i don't really have I don't have
1:32:06anything useful that would interest
1:32:08other people and definitely would not be
1:32:09worth the kind of discussions i would
1:32:11have to have with that with sunglasses
1:32:13guy what about your collection of a like
1:32:18USB 2.0 firewire card I have a pretty
1:32:23good collection of sketchy 25 and
1:32:25c50 you know what my zip drive by zip
1:32:28and jazz drive collection would be very
1:32:30useful
1:32:31I my wonder i wonder if there's not a
1:32:34collection right under your nose
1:32:36let me try to get forest for the trees I
1:32:39got a lot of really nice pencils here
1:32:40like little kids pencils see I don't I
1:32:43just I just feel like this is this is an
1:32:45interesting thought technology for you
1:32:47because it could help guide what you
1:32:50decide to do in the future i'll just
1:32:52point out in passing
1:32:53there is also another ferret coming in
1:32:54April there's a countdown of JavaScript
1:32:56countdown of the top of the page hundred
1:32:58ninety four days three hours 26 minutes
1:33:00till the the LOL thats until the spring
1:33:02fair there's a there's us a state fair
1:33:06in the spring
1:33:07um it says it's the spits the spring
1:33:10fairness in JavaScript so it must be
1:33:11true
1:33:12huh I I guess I just never I always
1:33:15think about right there isn't one here
1:33:16at the exercise it could be a thought
1:33:18technology just for you to think about
1:33:20you don't committing you're committing
1:33:21enough filling out the pdfs you just
1:33:23because you know how those hard there to
1:33:24fill out right
1:33:25try to do that on your phone i right
1:33:28what do they want me to fax it back to
1:33:29him fuck you know I fight I I feel like
1:33:34I feel like my role in life and this is
1:33:39one of those this is one of those things
1:33:40I'm still trying to figure out maybe my
1:33:42duck is that I am i man appreciate her
1:33:47like I should be a judge I was going to
1:33:51say it seems to me you should be
1:33:52adjudicating yes yes you should be
1:33:54deciding who can get in
1:33:56you should be helping them curate create
1:33:57what they're gonna bring their oh my god
1:34:00you would be great on the Executive
1:34:01Board of of the Washington State Fair
1:34:03hobby hall a facilitator a judge and an
1:34:06appreciator chief appreciator uh-huh
1:34:08but but the thing is i would be a pretty
1:34:10harsh mistress right I'm gonna walk
1:34:11around and be like yeah alright Betty
1:34:14Boop lady up there are a lot of Betty
1:34:16Boop's here but give me the spirit of
1:34:18your collection give me the inner like
1:34:20how this a reality show waiting to
1:34:22happen
1:34:23I don't need idea don't need to know the
1:34:25theme because I know the theme it's
1:34:26everybody boop but like where what is
1:34:29special hear anything with three that
1:34:31are going to surprise me
1:34:33yeah where's the witches where's your
1:34:34first we all remember our first Betty
1:34:37Boop yes and then
1:34:39what was the which one was the one where
1:34:41you unleash the dragon
1:34:44where was the you know you got to the
1:34:46third when you get to the fourth one I
1:34:48don't think anybody gets one Betty Boop
1:34:49and says I'm you know what I love this
1:34:52little thing I see and I did I was
1:34:54somewhere out there is a carpenter's cup
1:34:55is the one that you found where you go
1:34:57o.o like this is haha this is the one
1:35:01and now i realize that i have become an
1:35:03insane person
1:35:07alright let me take you over your booth
1:35:10but