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Ep. 173: "My Afflicted Eyes"

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0:00:04month they invited Mike Lawrence of pot

0:00:06to help me say hi John

0:00:08[Music]

0:00:21hello

0:00:28I John come hi Merlin that how are you

0:00:32haha hey it's a little early

0:00:35whoo-hoo-hoo it is it's it's it's very

0:00:39early

0:00:40that's good you you know maybe people

0:00:43get a different side of us when it's

0:00:44early i think that's true i think they

0:00:47get a side of us that isn't a quite

0:00:49awake yet be has not had a complete

0:00:51breakfast

0:00:53oh where has my daughter would say a

0:00:55complete a complete breakfast I a

0:01:00breakfast yeah and she says breakfast so

0:01:03much that we all now say breakfast

0:01:06that's pretty good so when I say

0:01:08breakfast it doesn't sound right anymore

0:01:09breakfast

0:01:10oh well she like eating morning well

0:01:13I'll tell you what she doesn't like to

0:01:14eat a hard-boiled egg and some cheese

0:01:17and some cold cuts kind of the ideal

0:01:19will be lost and at a German

0:01:22bed-and-breakfast that's exactly what i

0:01:23try to duplicate for her

0:01:25listen you're spending the night in

0:01:26Germany just imagine every morning we

0:01:28wake up in Germany and here's breakfast

0:01:31a hard-boiled egg one piece of black

0:01:33bread

0:01:34you don't know what made it black you

0:01:36don't ask some cold cuts that have some

0:01:39pistachios and then my kids but it looks

0:01:44like Bologna but then it's got

0:01:46pistachios in it in it and other things

0:01:50probably always loaf except nuts

0:01:52yeah I'll blow up with pistachios and

0:01:55then some other cold cuts you know what

0:01:57I was a little kid not like that

0:01:59I you know I I can't imagine what if you

0:02:03go to France and you order off the kids

0:02:06menu here's the kids kids menu in France

0:02:08steak frites the end and that's a

0:02:12probably a sirloin with that french

0:02:14fries

0:02:15that's right and so in France what is

0:02:18considered to be a child's meal is some

0:02:21sort of loin and french fries and the

0:02:24little French kids don't know any

0:02:26different and so that's what they get in

0:02:29restaurants they don't no one gives them

0:02:31buttered spaghetti nobody gives them

0:02:33chicken grilled cheese sandwich chicken

0:02:35fingers fish sticks tater tots they

0:02:38don't get any of that they get steak

0:02:39frites and son what can you say I mean

0:02:44if you're a kid in Germany will he get

0:02:47some detrimental own you're lucky you

0:02:50didn't get a beating

0:02:51that's right that's your back yet you

0:02:53get some kind of blood sausage and you

0:02:56get a stove and unsalted egg and a stern

0:02:59lecture slap that's what I got every

0:03:02morning in Germany every time I've ever

0:03:04been layered here's what intrigues me

0:03:05about this i mean for myself I i feel

0:03:09like i can blame blame myself i guess i

0:03:12could in a larger sense playing the

0:03:13household for causing option paralysis

0:03:17like do you want to have a good meal or

0:03:19dizzy real or you didn't even have that

0:03:22I know when people do that to me I get

0:03:24overwhelmed and I'm 97 so i'm guessing

0:03:26that has not been the case i mentioned

0:03:28you've offered the German breakfast /

0:03:29over many years it seems like that would

0:03:31it would have sunk in

0:03:32what do you think is causing the

0:03:33pushback is she developing a personality

0:03:35and preferences what's happening uh it's

0:03:38very you know she was very clear

0:03:40preferences and and if i gave her any

0:03:43option at all i would still be there i'd

0:03:47still be sitting at the kitchen table

0:03:48talking about all the different things

0:03:50that could be and what I have to do is

0:03:53you know make sure there's some yogurt

0:03:55component right because it is a German

0:03:57breakfast we do get the option of yogurt

0:03:59but if there's yogurt involved chili the

0:04:02yogurt and then she never saw the egg

0:04:06yeah so I have to sit there and you know

0:04:08that she does the thing where she's like

0:04:10I only like the white part of the egg

0:04:11yeah that's pretty normal I like the

0:04:14yellow party gets totally normal but you

0:04:16know but but dad has to intervene and

0:04:19say you know the best part of the egg is

0:04:21the part in between the white part and

0:04:23the yellow part eventually get the ninja

0:04:25level we say there isn't different parts

0:04:26of the egg there's egg the right what I

0:04:29mean I don't see any difference between

0:04:31the and she's like look this is yellow

0:04:33this is what no i don't see that you

0:04:36know a little bit of fucking with her

0:04:37head

0:04:38yeah what do what do kids in Thailand

0:04:40have for breakfast this is I've never

0:04:41been to Thailand I don't know I

0:04:43seriously do not know the answer

0:04:45i'm gonna guess

0:04:47probably like a rice or a soup it seems

0:04:50like a lot of Asia there's a lot of rice

0:04:52and soup and this is a very broad guess

0:04:54I i bet see massey part of my sense is

0:04:57that all kinds of I once the asian food

0:05:01but I was the asian american food asian

0:05:03american food in general feels like you

0:05:06take the most outlandish celebration

0:05:08food anyone that has once every 15 years

0:05:11and then make it even more celebratory

0:05:14and you call in chinese food like like

0:05:17the idea of like Chad like two pounds of

0:05:18chow mein with with like half a cup of

0:05:21oil in it

0:05:22I don't think that's the kind of thing

0:05:23that people eat everyday in China and

0:05:26you didn't retire food for typhoon who's

0:05:28gonna go to all that trouble who's gonna

0:05:29who's gonna have those beautiful little

0:05:31mushrooms in with the doc I mean the

0:05:33organ talk like that who's gonna make

0:05:34that everyday that's like that i think

0:05:36with banquet wedding food i'm guessing

0:05:38about my girlfriend at the time in the

0:05:40nineties went to China at one point

0:05:43because she had decided and true sort of

0:05:47punk rock form that she was going to

0:05:51major in Chinese at the University and

0:05:55whenever she was quiz by a curious

0:05:58person you know like oh I do you intend

0:06:00to like most people would say oh that's

0:06:03very exciting like China is booming and

0:06:05if you have knowledge of Chinese like

0:06:07you'll be invaluable to companies and

0:06:09and she was just like shake her head

0:06:11Riley at them because she wasn't taking

0:06:15chinese for any reason that is very punk

0:06:19rock common other than that it was hard

0:06:21and obscure so she stopped she likely

0:06:26black flag that's right exactly she

0:06:28threw herself into a study of chinese

0:06:30and like reveled in the difficulty and

0:06:33then like really it stuck to her guns

0:06:37that she was never going to use it it

0:06:40was never going to have an application

0:06:41she's like Superman she only use it for

0:06:43good

0:06:44that's right well and i'm not even sure

0:06:46she's ever use it for good but it for

0:06:47her one point at one point I you know I

0:06:50think she's now she said some like

0:06:52eavesdropping on people she doesn't even

0:06:53help them if they're still there to

0:06:55chinese people standing with the map of

0:06:57Los Angeles and they're standing on a

0:06:59street corner looking around

0:07:00she will you know just walk right past

0:07:02without respect much like a Chinese

0:07:03person but and blood much like Black

0:07:07Flag what do I find I can help you with

0:07:09your map they gotta get in the van get

0:07:11in the van

0:07:11fuck you they're not what you're looking

0:07:13at me wrong doesn't doesn't piss on you

0:07:15and that's not even you know Greg in is

0:07:18the thing

0:07:19don't ask for a check it's not coming

0:07:20but I but at one point she went to China

0:07:24and was there for six months and I and I

0:07:27have a lot of regrets about this because

0:07:28she would write me all the time this is

0:07:29back when people still wrote one another

0:07:31should say come to china i am in China

0:07:34you are my boyfriend come to China

0:07:37this is your big chance and at the time

0:07:40I was like a china you know seems like a

0:07:45lot of work

0:07:46it's a lot of work it's not it's not

0:07:48really all you have to do is just go to

0:07:50China but it seems like a lot of work at

0:07:52the time we get our so easy i have been

0:07:55to Belgium like do I really have to go

0:07:57to China keeping like hungry like you

0:07:59can't read the signs in china so a lot

0:08:01of work and this was prettyyou know this

0:08:03was back when Shanghai was still like

0:08:06all the all the buildings in Shanghai

0:08:07were five stories tall like it if you

0:08:10take a picture of China from this time

0:08:12when I was when I could have gone and

0:08:14you compare it to compare a picture of

0:08:16shanghai from then and now they didn't

0:08:20even resemble each other

0:08:21shanghai now it's like they took what

0:08:23was shanghaied and then they put dubai

0:08:24on top of it but at the time I could

0:08:28have gone and water around the back

0:08:30streets of old Shanghai and you know and

0:08:32those would be memories i would be

0:08:33cherishing now instead of this memory

0:08:35which is a memory of my girlfriend at

0:08:39the time being mad at me for not going

0:08:42to china but she said that everywhere

0:08:44she went so she was a vegetarian in

0:08:46China to this is the other that's the

0:08:47great part is if you're going to be punk

0:08:49rock and you're going to study Chinese

0:08:50for no reason

0:08:52also when you go to China make sure that

0:08:54you are vegetarian it's something she

0:08:56smoked and also chain-smoked yeah okay I

0:09:00are getting a picture like this is a

0:09:03issue with combat boots she didn't but

0:09:06she did wear bright red lipstick and dye

0:09:08her hair black

0:09:10anyway so she's in China black hair

0:09:13bright red lipstick i think the bright

0:09:15red lipstick went away pretty fast in

0:09:17China but the black dyed hair you know

0:09:20you're stuck with it but she said

0:09:22everywhere she went

0:09:23they would you know they would invite

0:09:25her to dinner the local people some

0:09:27somebody would say come to dinner at my

0:09:29apartment and they would lay out all

0:09:31these meats and she would say and she

0:09:36would you know kind of a you know i can

0:09:38t mean I'm you know vegetarian

0:09:41do you have any rice and vegetables

0:09:44that's what I really am excited about

0:09:45what I imagine is sort of the vegetarian

0:09:48chinese meal which is some vegetables on

0:09:50rice and those same she got the same

0:09:53response everywhere which is like you're

0:09:54a special guest we we aren't going to

0:09:57give you our normal food right are the

0:10:00other food that we actually eat we have

0:10:02like we've put on a spread here and and

0:10:05basically given her what you're saying

0:10:06american chinese food which is a huge

0:10:08platter of of meat meat pieces and she

0:10:13was like I just want to eat like a

0:10:14normal person don't you see that I'm

0:10:15punk rock i just want to be a regular

0:10:17normal person

0:10:20normal vegetarian in China and they were

0:10:23like a there is no such thing and be no

0:10:27you're a special guest here right we we

0:10:30went out and we we killed two ducks for

0:10:32you

0:10:32so she is not a vegetarian anymore i

0:10:38really don't know how to end this story

0:10:40no you don't need to i got less that

0:10:41jump in on here first of all I want to

0:10:44just point out that I just I few minutes

0:10:46ago did something that I hate which is

0:10:48talking about an incredibly large group

0:10:51of people don't talk about racism just

0:10:52talk about being a dumbass like I'm here

0:10:54it's my reckon about how half of the the

0:10:58of earth eats right yeah you really want

0:11:02one and a half billion people anybody

0:11:04ever said that about America let alone

0:11:06about Seattle like you can't draw those

0:11:08kinds of broad conclusions

0:11:10here's how Americans are you ready ready

0:11:11yeah waffles

0:11:13mhm and a spaghetti noodles and we'll

0:11:18instant coffee all Americans eat that

0:11:22everyday and i think also

0:11:23you're kind of famous for drinking lots

0:11:25of soft drinks I've been thinking about

0:11:28this a lot when we were kids did we not

0:11:30drink a lot of soft drinks i drank tons

0:11:32of softwares you probably saw something

0:11:33i did probably in the new york times

0:11:35about the incredible precipitous drop in

0:11:39the amount of soft drinks that young

0:11:42people are drinking i did read that

0:11:44article and I thought about the

0:11:45innumerable six-packs of dr.pepper that

0:11:48I consumed growing up it was just I mean

0:11:51you know what your lies and soft drinks

0:11:53were the smoking of childhood when I was

0:11:56a kid you know if you're if you were a a

0:11:58an adult and you're anywhere where there

0:12:01hopefully was not too many combustible

0:12:03things you were smoking inside outside

0:12:05bed church whatever you're just always

0:12:07smoking and it's kinda like that with

0:12:09softness you show up somewhere and you

0:12:10see hey you want a coke give somebody a

0:12:12coke

0:12:13yeah right or you you're at school

0:12:16there's a there's a Coke machine in the

0:12:17hall you'd stop on your way between

0:12:19classes and get a coke

0:12:21that was a weird thing because I mean I

0:12:22remember coming up especially in ohio

0:12:24where it was

0:12:26I can't even begin to tell you I mean

0:12:27now it's been 40 years so it's not

0:12:29surprising that there's been changes but

0:12:31you know for example i can not only

0:12:32could you not wear shorts but you were

0:12:35discouraged from wearing jeans like

0:12:37we're expected to wear like pants to

0:12:38school

0:12:39what's real you to our genes you could

0:12:42but you know that's cool you should wear

0:12:45trousers you were definitely never in a

0:12:47million years allowed to chew gum there

0:12:50was there was stuff you had to do

0:12:52fifth-grade you're gonna learn to play

0:12:53the recorder how about that its fifth

0:12:54grade gonna order a far from there's

0:13:00something so i got my dad wants this

0:13:02surely must still be teaching the

0:13:04recorder Oh music is Who music is like

0:13:07half of a room over here like it's not a

0:13:09thing anymore but I'm but was appointed

0:13:12all this you know certainly all of that

0:13:14has changed but then and and my god the

0:13:16idea of having like you have cookies and

0:13:18shit like nobody cares like but it's

0:13:20weird how all that has changed where you

0:13:21would never have soft drinks at school

0:13:23and then fast-forward to florida in the

0:13:26mid-eighties and that's when we first

0:13:28got we had a Coke machine at our school

0:13:32and i'm given to believe that that was

0:13:34partly revenue-based I think you know

0:13:36the rev share on stuff like that yeah

0:13:38they're trying to make up for the fact

0:13:39that the the tax base no longer

0:13:41supported that was that was beginning

0:13:43then and now today

0:13:45flash forward to where we are now and

0:13:47least here in San Francisco means all

0:13:49kinds of stuff about this place that's I

0:13:51mean could you ever imagine that there

0:13:53would be an LGBTQ community dinner for

0:13:56the school district where their children

0:13:58teachers and parents LGBTQ parents would

0:14:01come together at a picnic could you

0:14:02imagine that in the nineteen eighties

0:14:04for the seventies or the nineties where

0:14:07the two thousand i love you i love that

0:14:10exists it makes me happy to see that in

0:14:11the newsletter but now today like you

0:14:14are just it's so weird and so oddly

0:14:16applied you're not supposed to bring

0:14:17sugar to school at all it's it's not

0:14:20quite like smoking but you're not you're

0:14:23not supposed to bring sugary stuff you

0:14:24know that they're very clearly say the

0:14:26beginning of the year you know hey if we

0:14:27want to celebrate a birthday here's how

0:14:28well do it

0:14:29please don't bring gift bags pretty

0:14:30please don't bring sugar part of its a

0:14:32scalability issue but I think a lot of

0:14:34its a consistency issue and it's

0:14:35definitely a health issue they just

0:14:37don't want it to be that like we were I

0:14:39mean there was just sugar everywhere

0:14:40when we were kids

0:14:41everybody was always eating sugar all

0:14:42the time the street though the road to

0:14:44school was paper sugar it was or you

0:14:46could just go to the convenience store

0:14:47and I think you know pound-for-pound

0:14:48stuff was cheaper back then you could in

0:14:51your sub dollar price range get a shit

0:14:54ton of candy know yet but well you know

0:14:57and that was my sister and I had a very

0:14:59very different relationship to money

0:15:01right if if we were each of us were

0:15:03given 50 cents she would immediately go

0:15:06and buy fifty cents worth the smarties

0:15:09which would fill the trunk of a car and

0:15:12i would put the fifty cents in a shoebox

0:15:15oh yes your collector that's right and

0:15:18so then we would get another fifty cents

0:15:20and she would get fifty cents with the

0:15:21smarties and I were in our fifty cents

0:15:23worth of wax lips or those little-little

0:15:26whatever bye wax lips they're so dumb

0:15:31remember those little wax coax book coke

0:15:32bottles that had tiny little sugar fluid

0:15:35is the worst of both worlds it's bad wax

0:15:38bad coke

0:15:39except except that you you know you to

0:15:41the way I top off and then you get a

0:15:43little bit of coke it was before that

0:15:44was before that bubblegum that had

0:15:46squirty liquid inside

0:15:48oh yeah it was fresh plaster or whatever

0:15:51they call ya their fruit fruit fruit

0:15:52fruit fruit years it was the only thing

0:15:57where it's only thing you could you

0:15:58could bite into the got that same

0:15:59technology that God squirting squirting

0:16:03sugar liquid in your mouth which is a

0:16:05great feeling

0:16:06mhm but yeah so then at the end of you

0:16:09know our childhoods she had only the

0:16:14experience of eating as much candy as

0:16:17she could get her hands on and I had the

0:16:19experience of having a shoebox full of

0:16:21nickels dimes and quarters nice and

0:16:24which one who you know who else is

0:16:26living a fuller life

0:16:30oh my goodness I couldn't begin to guess

0:16:32I'd have to ask your mom I don't know I

0:16:35don't know my mom is a good gauge of

0:16:37which one of us my sister and i are

0:16:39living a fuller life to say getting

0:16:40emails from your mom is a delight of my

0:16:42life

0:16:43he's such a thorough person I loved her

0:16:46thoroughness she's very thorough and you

0:16:48know she wakes up in the middle of the

0:16:49night sometimes and sends emails and of

0:16:54course i'm often up in the middle of the

0:16:55night so one of the great surprises is

0:16:58to get an email from her in the middle

0:16:59of the night where she's decided that

0:17:02she wants she has she has some

0:17:04information on The Hermitage in st.

0:17:08Petersburg and she wants more

0:17:10information so she's done some research

0:17:12and this is what she's discovered but

0:17:16it's raised some questions and she's not

0:17:19sure she's research those questions as

0:17:22best she can

0:17:23so she puts all that information in

0:17:25email and then she has some questions

0:17:26for me maybe I can help her fill in the

0:17:29gaps

0:17:30wow nice and sometimes it's a little bit

0:17:32overflow you're still having the

0:17:33previous day and she's got you got a

0:17:35late start on the previous day she's got

0:17:37an early start on the next day as a nice

0:17:39sweet little Venn diagram around four in

0:17:40the morning

0:17:41yeah right exactly where she's like what

0:17:43is so explain to me how the nations of

0:17:47Central America all ended up with their

0:17:50current borders and I'm like whoa uh

0:17:54okay well let me mix like me some coffee

0:17:57little uh you know and the thing is

0:17:59she's not expecting a response right

0:18:01away she's thinking that that's going to

0:18:03greet me in my inbox when I wake up in

0:18:06the morning and she's forgetting a then

0:18:08I don't wake up in the museum in the

0:18:09coolest look more unless I'm under

0:18:11duress and be that yeah I'm gonna get

0:18:13this i'm gonna reply to it and then so

0:18:15we have these email conversations in the

0:18:18absolute middle of the night about these

0:18:21you know these questions or you know or

0:18:23what this is the other great thing that

0:18:25she does she makes a decision she makes

0:18:28a decision which is sometimes um

0:18:33normal sounding decision like I'm going

0:18:37to sell my car and buy a some kind of

0:18:43natural gas car and so I'm getting my

0:18:46car ready to sell in order to buy a

0:18:50natural gas-powered car and I need you

0:18:53to you know to detail the hubcaps for me

0:18:57or something like that sounds normal

0:19:00it's not it's motivated by some crazy

0:19:02like four in the morning like I'm gonna

0:19:04sell my car and buy a car was it seems a

0:19:07sensible because she's talking about

0:19:08understandable logistics but you never

0:19:12got the chance to talk about you know

0:19:13the fact that she just decided to sell

0:19:14her car in the middle of the night

0:19:16Yeah right right so but it but it would

0:19:19read as a normal email and then there

0:19:20are others where she wakes up the middle

0:19:22of the night and she's just like i have

0:19:24decided never to go into a building made

0:19:25of brick again because of outgassing and

0:19:33here's why

0:19:34then she will explain that but you know

0:19:37that there there's something about

0:19:38there's something about brick that is a

0:19:42you know that's either offensive or

0:19:45untenable or she doesn't support it

0:19:48she no longer supports brick because big

0:19:51brick is running the world and uh and

0:19:54you know retro actively she's gonna go

0:19:57back and erase all the brick building

0:19:58she's ever been in and you know and she

0:20:02doesn't expect my support in this she

0:20:03just expects adjusted this is an

0:20:05informational email she's coming out

0:20:07yeah where I'm just coming out as being

0:20:09against big brick

0:20:11yeah I'm not expected to say yes or no I

0:20:13just this is a courtesy email sometimes

0:20:16those are very long and then I Tennessee

0:20:20you know so i read that the elemental

0:20:21sent me another email like I hope you

0:20:23read my last email and I and in general

0:20:28fruit most of those I just I just let

0:20:32them go without comment and and mother

0:20:36for the most part they solve themselves

0:20:37nothing you need to do about it

0:20:39just then right because you know i mean

0:20:42i can't speak in this case for your mom

0:20:43but in some cases when somebody's having

0:20:44i don't know i don't confuse state but

0:20:47when they're having some kind of a an

0:20:49incident

0:20:50sometimes you know you you may not even

0:20:52want to initially be super supportive

0:20:53you want to write it out its like the

0:20:55person who suddenly decides they're

0:20:57breaking up with their spouse like the

0:20:58last thing you want to do is go good

0:21:00never liked right right never never do

0:21:03that

0:21:03yeah we're trying are trying to

0:21:05intervene in any way you just want to

0:21:06just do you don't even not you just move

0:21:09your head slightly in a circle kind of

0:21:12like a book Bulgarian person says yes

0:21:15you just sort of move your head around

0:21:17this is where I wish we could just do

0:21:19certain like sort of some kind of what i

0:21:22call control words that I wish we could

0:21:24use with people where sometimes I really

0:21:26wish

0:21:27ack were a standardized response to

0:21:30things

0:21:31your turn but bill the cats signature

0:21:33line act no its act without an !

0:21:36somebody says a temp job I i want to

0:21:41know your thoughts about how chemtrails

0:21:44are affecting our ability to overturn

0:21:49gun laws and my response that would be

0:21:51act which i think in in the world of of

0:21:54radio communications it's just to say

0:21:56that i received your message

0:21:58mhm that's really all i have to say i

0:21:59have absolutely nothing to say i just

0:22:02wanna let you know that it got through

0:22:03mms not even necessarily is implied

0:22:05thank you i'm doing really thank you i'm

0:22:07just saying your message arrived and it

0:22:09has i processed

0:22:10yeah I somebody lectured me on the last

0:22:13Joe Cruz somebody pulled up a chair and

0:22:15was like I just wanted to say that I'm

0:22:17very concerned about blank

0:22:19and it was it was in it it was an

0:22:21attempt on their part to to make the

0:22:24story about them and get some attention

0:22:26and at the end of their you know little

0:22:28sort of mini lecture I leaned forward

0:22:30and I said thank you for your message

0:22:32and it was and that's a really good

0:22:36response

0:22:37it was really wonderful they were very

0:22:40confused and and you know and ask a

0:22:43couple of follow-up questions and i

0:22:46think i said i just am glad that you

0:22:48feel safe enough to send me to give me

0:22:51this message

0:22:52i watch some people and their

0:22:53interactions with people other people

0:22:55and some people just seem to have I

0:22:58don't know it's some kind of almost

0:23:00magical ability to not get into a

0:23:03thistle with people when you know

0:23:05sometimes people were you know I I have

0:23:07friends that even when they agree with

0:23:08you sound like they're arguing with you

0:23:09there's other kinds of people that sound

0:23:11really tuned out like they didn't

0:23:12actually hear it but people LLC in some

0:23:14cases politicians who are really good at

0:23:16having an interaction with somebody that

0:23:18combines that Obama likely a Clinton

0:23:20like ability to have empathy and Obama

0:23:23like ability to say like you know I i

0:23:26understand you know I i I'm gratified by

0:23:28the intelligence of your thought

0:23:30combined with the John Hodgman thing of

0:23:31like we're pretty much done here you

0:23:35know but they could put all those

0:23:37together and you've got the super person

0:23:39of communication where you're ready to

0:23:41accept and be this is kind of also where

0:23:43I could wish i could say God bless you

0:23:44and you better not at all the great

0:23:46because it isn't a great response

0:23:48god bless you bless you like somebody

0:23:50pulls up a chair that concerns you say

0:23:53yeah

0:23:53god bless you god bless you god bless

0:23:55you for bless you for saying it's got

0:23:58but you just got bless you

0:23:59yeah I don't have the ability to to do

0:24:04that either i'm i'm getting in I'm

0:24:06allowing myself to get involved in fewer

0:24:08practices track-by-track I am um and

0:24:14part of that is is yeah learning that

0:24:16kind of ninja like that you know

0:24:18thank you thank you for trusting me with

0:24:21your comments like that's kind of what

0:24:25you're saying thank you for trusting me

0:24:26with your trusting me that i will value

0:24:30your comments

0:24:32and you know it's very much like ack

0:24:35although you know I'm starting to think

0:24:37about ack i think of act as a bill the

0:24:39cat

0:24:40yeah absolutely but that's a key ! but i

0:24:43bet you there are a lot of our listeners

0:24:45who immediately thought of Kathy of

0:24:49course

0:24:50so which act is the which act as the

0:24:52canonical act i think we got a problem

0:24:54here we got wet a lot and why they

0:24:55called a term of art it's going to mean

0:24:57very different things in very different

0:24:58places

0:24:59sure a kathy ack and build a cat attack

0:25:02communicate entirely different

0:25:06yeah one with Kathy that's what back

0:25:09back because she's having some kind of

0:25:12an existential moment

0:25:13oh she's trying I'm just trying on

0:25:15bathing suits yeah

0:25:16Irving is not calling her no ack ack and

0:25:20then with bill it's more like a crack

0:25:22right ladies got a hairball up and i

0:25:27doubt kathy had that many hairballs but

0:25:29which one you know which one is closer

0:25:31yours yours has no ! not quite a

0:25:33hairball ack but but you're not worried

0:25:37about Irving either i'm on the way I

0:25:39think we might have talked about this

0:25:41several years ago but i'm on the page

0:25:43for voice procedure which as you know it

0:25:46is a very interesting wikipedia page

0:25:47here i want to talk about some fine

0:25:49distinctions here in my sweat but I hate

0:25:52to interrupt but I swear to God I

0:25:54thought you were about to say i'm on the

0:25:56page for Kathy I thought you were gonna

0:26:00say that you were part of a newsgroup or

0:26:02some kind of anything even got the

0:26:06t-shirt

0:26:07i'm on the rage like Addie it up

0:26:10he's a mod for the really Kathy page ok

0:26:14so anyway if you're the stage well let's

0:26:15let's close the thread if you go to

0:26:16Wikipedia disambiguation page for AXA

0:26:19the last entry on the pages see also

0:26:20Kathy really ok so let me I'm gonna go

0:26:25through a few of these and I'm doing

0:26:27what in academics is called

0:26:28problematizing i'm gonna give you a few

0:26:29different words that all mean things you

0:26:33ready

0:26:33ten-four means message received

0:26:37I understand okay all right now we also

0:26:39got affirmative which means yes right

0:26:43you got that for example come in

0:26:46which means you can start speaking now

0:26:47you've got Roger which says i have

0:26:51received all the last transmission and

0:26:54then let's make the distinction that

0:26:55people don't make wilco isn't it will i

0:26:58owe their yes with an employee you don't

0:27:01need to say Roger Wilco because Roger is

0:27:03implied in a wilco so if you say wilco

0:27:06it means I got your message and i will

0:27:08comply with it so maybe again now maybe

0:27:10I'm being a little bit fancy here but I

0:27:12think there's a big difference between

0:27:1310-4 affirmative cop come in in the case

0:27:18is saying like I understand you keep

0:27:19talking

0:27:20wilco vs roger i think they're all

0:27:22different things

0:27:23these could be things we use in

0:27:24day-to-day conversation that could

0:27:25really help a lot if we all adapted the

0:27:27subtleness of this

0:27:28yeah the problem is that roger has

0:27:30turned into yes i agree like high-five

0:27:35and right and 10 for has turned into yes

0:27:38i agree you know you if somebody says

0:27:41something to you and you save tension or

0:27:43everything you know everything will go

0:27:45with applied Roger that's right

0:27:46everything exactly right everything has

0:27:48become a wilco except for one

0:27:52well you know I had a friend used to say

0:27:54copy copy means I heard what you just

0:27:58said yeah I copy

0:28:00that's very copy similar to 10 for it

0:28:02sounds like it's similar to 10 4 or

0:28:05similar to Roger and but copy retains i

0:28:09think a little bit of it's a little bit

0:28:12of the ambiguity of like I he I register

0:28:17your transmission but i'm not you know

0:28:21that but i but i bypass no judgment copy

0:28:25boy here's one I love the definition of

0:28:27this one I can give you that the term

0:28:29you the definition to confirm that you

0:28:32have received and understood the

0:28:33contents of the transmission so far you

0:28:35know you say Roger so far

0:28:38Rogers so far how handy would that be on

0:28:40the choco cruise i have never heard

0:28:42Roger so far out in the wilderness no

0:28:45one has ever done was supported there's

0:28:47several of these involving if you're

0:28:48actually if you really using this and

0:28:50another there's a there's a reason they

0:28:52use all these and they mean different

0:28:53things and like what's the one in

0:28:57artillery that you don't want to get

0:28:58wrong as it go ahead

0:28:59uh-huh it but I think in artillery if

0:29:03you say go ahead and believe it's go

0:29:04ahead if you say that over the radio

0:29:06that means you are free to fire it will

0:29:09at the last position that we fire

0:29:11go ahead and go ahead yeah you want to

0:29:14avoid that is it go ahead or is it again

0:29:16come again or something like that anyway

0:29:18we talked about pan-pan we talk about

0:29:20that one before

0:29:22ready to copy but the idea is if you're

0:29:23sitting there and you're flying your

0:29:25your your aircraft you know you don't

0:29:27have a lot of free hands there's that

0:29:28there is information that has to be

0:29:29passed along you know you don't always

0:29:31have the dr strangelove machine in the

0:29:32file uh folders so sometimes you gotta

0:29:35write stuff down I'm just saying Roger

0:29:37so far I kind of like that

0:29:38Roger so far right so far right there's

0:29:41so much there so there's so much that we

0:29:43could we could benefit I think from

0:29:47returning to the age of military radio

0:29:51my god on how Henry is how great is this

0:29:54Roger far messages lasting over 20

0:29:56seconds are prefixed by the pro word

0:29:58long message long message so you let

0:30:02people now grab a chair

0:30:04it's ready a long message and then you

0:30:06say Roger so far that's right uh there's

0:30:08more to this tweet 739 so so I yeah I

0:30:16wonder you know tweets are very much in

0:30:20this vein of of like Telegraph Telegraph

0:30:24messages but there are no exclamation

0:30:28points in military radio huh right you

0:30:34never never again we're back to the

0:30:36punctuation how do you say I mean how do

0:30:41you say stat which is a which is

0:30:44something you say in an emergency room

0:30:46you don't say that on over the radio but

0:30:47how do you say like this is urgent and

0:30:52mash or possibly helping heroes you

0:30:55would say it has on the double

0:30:57on the double or she now if your dad who

0:31:01served in World War two

0:31:03Snell ever get our dad used to say that

0:31:05sergeant schultz with dads who served in

0:31:10the European theater might have said

0:31:12Chanel

0:31:13uh my dad was in the in the Pacific

0:31:16Theater and so did not ever say Chanel

0:31:19never seen my pile

0:31:20shall I heard I heard those things ?

0:31:23showers with these to yell at the

0:31:25beatles haha i had you know I was

0:31:28friends when I was a little kid not

0:31:30little but like when I was in grade

0:31:32school in Seattle I had two friends twin

0:31:35boys Thomas and Peter and their father

0:31:38had served in world war two with the

0:31:40Germans and was a doctor and their house

0:31:47was very very interesting

0:31:51he was a he was a distant man with a

0:31:57beard which was unusual at the time so

0:32:00he brought home a little bit of Germany

0:32:01back to the household

0:32:03that's right and his and his wife was

0:32:05germany with it was a very German family

0:32:07and toms and Peter spoke fluent German

0:32:09and English and would would go in and

0:32:12out of German in English sort of

0:32:14unconsciously was the first time i've

0:32:16ever seen that they were both good

0:32:17friends they had a marklin n scale train

0:32:23set that that may be duplicated their

0:32:27father's hometown it was the most

0:32:29incredible thing you know I'd seen h/o

0:32:32trains sounds like an amazing charlie

0:32:33kaufman movie it was fantastic just

0:32:35fantastic there there and they had a

0:32:37very sort of n is n scale the kind of a

0:32:40little one little one that fits inside

0:32:42of a walnut

0:32:43it's not as easy scale but it's a 10

0:32:45skills it's a little bit bigger than the

0:32:46academia every kind of that there was

0:32:48that i used to be i could name every

0:32:50scale train that would fit inside and

0:32:52get HL HL fancy I'm but they had one of

0:32:56those houses sort of a Brady Bunch house

0:32:58but it was perched on a hillside which

0:33:02was covered with trees and mosses and

0:33:05northwest Brady Bunch house and Peter

0:33:08Thomas XD so they had one of those lives

0:33:11with their father would give them old

0:33:12radios at and all you know he would find

0:33:16old electronic stuff and give it to them

0:33:18and they had a soldering gun and they

0:33:20would take apart electronic things and

0:33:23rebuild them into other things

0:33:24and as a kid you know as a as a 78 year

0:33:29old kid they just seems like a miracle

0:33:32workers they could speak multiple

0:33:34languages they have these crazy little

0:33:36trains they could rebuild radios and you

0:33:40know I was I was the same age as them

0:33:43and and smart like them but I was like

0:33:46putting on my mother's lipstick and

0:33:49sitting in the sandbox covering my head

0:33:53with sand like I was completely i was

0:33:56completely useless relative to them

0:33:58right they could repair they could have

0:34:00prepared a jeep and I but I looked like

0:34:05a bipolar person having once throughout

0:34:09my entire child had had no you had no

0:34:13useful skills unless you were unless you

0:34:15were doing like an all kid version of

0:34:17rocky horror picture show and then I

0:34:19could I could play any role Thomason

0:34:25Peter and I looked them up later

0:34:27I look I went found them again when we

0:34:30were all kind of young adults and they

0:34:33were like in a fraternity and they were

0:34:37wearing tank tops it was so confusing

0:34:41you know I really wanted to run really

0:34:43wanted to find them and they were like

0:34:45in a laboratory but they had they made

0:34:49some they made a transition in a

0:34:51different direction they were there were

0:34:53in tank tops with where you were friends

0:35:00with somebody that ended up in a tank

0:35:02mom

0:35:02mmm let me think

0:35:07well i have to tell you uh I came up at

0:35:10a time when it was much more acceptable

0:35:12for everyone to wear a tanktop we did

0:35:15not call them wife beaters they work

0:35:16tank tops and really this is a not so

0:35:19long before the era of the half shirt

0:35:21but I war tank top my friend John war

0:35:23tank top my we all wear tank tops what

0:35:25you did in the late seventies the tank

0:35:27top was a look i enjoyed tank tops I

0:35:31really did until I became

0:35:35until I became husky oh and a tank top

0:35:39is not a good look on a husky kid can i

0:35:42get like sort of a philip seymour

0:35:45hoffman Boogie Nights kind of look

0:35:47yeah thank you that's exactly right and

0:35:49I did not want I didn't want that but up

0:35:53until that port i was very protective pi

0:35:58have some great i had great tank tops

0:36:01and a yellow stripe tank top I had maybe

0:36:04I had to take up with a baseball player

0:36:06on it you know they were they were good

0:36:08were good trips i had a generalized

0:36:11problem with sleeveless shirts where I

0:36:15could get away with the tank-tank what

0:36:16tank tank tank top ten I was actually

0:36:18technically what I was 10 or 11 but as

0:36:21soon as I started to smell

0:36:24I think I really benefited from shirts

0:36:26they had more cloth you're saying when

0:36:29you when you came into your agency my

0:36:32special time and started to produce

0:36:34pheromonal so yes you got but also i was

0:36:39a sweater so it when I wore my Joey

0:36:42Elliott my off-brand Joe Elliott def

0:36:45leppard british flag shirt with no

0:36:47sleeves i mean i would ruin that thing I

0:36:50had some some big some big pit stains on

0:36:53this

0:36:53did you really wear a sleeveless british

0:36:56flag t-shirt

0:36:57yeah there's one kid in my school that

0:37:01wore a sleeveless British like t-shirt

0:37:03his name is Ernie Dumas key

0:37:05ok and and I remember to this day i felt

0:37:10like it was a bold choice he was that

0:37:13part of a choice in 1983 well in Alaska

0:37:17the sleeplessness was right away like

0:37:21even the fact that i was war at that I

0:37:22was wearing boat shoes with no socks

0:37:24which is totally equivalent like a top

0:37:30sider like a top sider like a

0:37:32red-colored top-sider with no socks it's

0:37:3620 degrees below zero outside and there

0:37:37there's five feet of snow on the ground

0:37:39but I'm wearing this like like Nantucket

0:37:43style

0:37:44because that's what you know that's what

0:37:48I would that those were the poor choices

0:37:49I was making Ernie was wearing a British

0:37:52flag sleeveless t-shirt also a poor

0:37:54choice also a little culturally

0:37:58appropriate m.o.b point-to-point but

0:38:01from my from my top siders with no socks

0:38:05perspective it just felt like you know

0:38:09what exactly are you

0:38:11what exactly are you reppin Ernie he

0:38:14could have easily turned the tables on

0:38:16me and said what are you reppin both of

0:38:20us should have been in Shirelles with

0:38:23like you know with Parker's on but here

0:38:27we are both like wrapping some kind of

0:38:30other climbers we called not yet the

0:38:33Alaskan standoff

0:38:34yeah right guys an inappropriate guard

0:38:36who's gonna go down first

0:38:37who which one which one is going to cop

0:38:39to the fact that they are fashion victim

0:38:43em high school fashion victim and not

0:38:45dressed appropriately and those get you

0:38:47know the kids that came to school in

0:38:49bunny boots and and like foul like US

0:38:55military foul weather gear

0:38:57those were the only people that were

0:39:00actually dressed appropriately but when

0:39:03we heap scorn on them because it you

0:39:07know their their fathers had obviously

0:39:09their fathers were based at Elmendorf

0:39:11and they were wearing like a

0:39:13military-issue winter clothes

0:39:15it was it was pretty sad from again from

0:39:19the perspective of somebody in red boat

0:39:21shoes with no socks

0:39:23well i don't think i'm going to ridicule

0:39:25I don't think it's pretty cool

0:39:26well it wasn't cool then it would be

0:39:28cool now it seemed poor its import yeah

0:39:32and that was you know like that was it

0:39:33that was big will to see porno magazines

0:39:37yes and a lot of people worked really

0:39:39hard to not look for but you know what

0:39:43became the costume of the coolest kids

0:39:47later which is unwashed dark denim

0:39:50rolled up at the cuffs boots

0:39:55hair that was kind of long in front

0:40:00short and back and dark rimmed buddy

0:40:05holly glasses cool look and some kind of

0:40:08black t-shirt or some kind of shirt of

0:40:11you know we're in a white oxford shirt

0:40:13you know that is an extremely cool look

0:40:17and by the time I was out at the end of

0:40:20high school

0:40:21it had it had appeared again or it was

0:40:26recognized as cool but when i first

0:40:28started in high school when like the

0:40:32fashion was jeans super tight jeans that

0:40:36had been bleached and you know like if

0:40:39you showed up in unwashed Levi's know

0:40:41with cuffs you can bet you could buy

0:40:44stuff and I remember the county seat in

0:40:47florida that one of the denim outlets

0:40:49you could buy this stuff that depending

0:40:51on how washed-out you want your jeans to

0:40:53be you could buy your let's talk about

0:40:55it then

0:40:56very cheap unwashed 50 once tossed them

0:40:59in with some of this stuff and get this

0:41:01really square looking fake faded look

0:41:03after a couple of washes yeah right i

0:41:05mean fiber ones were 19 bucks you talked

0:41:07about this i think on your program with

0:41:08Dan and I'm in the same boat i recently

0:41:10bought a new pair of 50 ones and and

0:41:12it's the same deal its virtually

0:41:13impossible to figure out which one's

0:41:15your supposed to get and even still

0:41:17there i think they're 50 bucks yeah I

0:41:20mean it's like it's a little bit like

0:41:23converse converse used to be ten dollars

0:41:25a pair $20 pair i'm so mad at levis that

0:41:28I can't even the can't even talk and is

0:41:30so much to be mad about with Levi's

0:41:32right now but but i but i but i am a i'm

0:41:35so i'm so mad I just taken i took your

0:41:40story so anyway you were wearing the

0:41:41wrong thing at the wrong time what

0:41:42you're wearing eventually kinda came

0:41:43around

0:41:44well that's the thing you just looked

0:41:45like your mom dressed you and you were

0:41:47poor right if you were just wearing

0:41:49unwashed Levi's that were rolled up at

0:41:50the cuffs

0:41:51it just was it just indicated that you

0:41:54lived in an unheated house and and you

0:42:00know and that's the way that's the kind

0:42:03of the way I was set to school and then

0:42:05later on when that became a symbol of

0:42:09like mega cool i didn't change anything

0:42:14I just rolled right into the future but

0:42:17but I don't think I don't think young

0:42:20people today even people a little bit

0:42:21younger than us can remember a time when

0:42:23the geek look the nerd look the nerve

0:42:28especially the nerd rock-and-roll

0:42:30crossover when none of that had happened

0:42:32and nerd was actually shorthand for poor

0:42:36and it was a thing you you tried to

0:42:40avoid at all costs

0:42:42it had a lot tied up in it and in fact I

0:42:45mean if you look at a lot of the

0:42:47mid-eighties sort of john hughes ish

0:42:50movies from the early to mid eighties

0:42:52you can really see that being played out

0:42:54people who looked like he was playing

0:42:58with guys named James you know guys on

0:43:00the Black Widow Spader james spader yeah

0:43:02that Spader I mean Spader apart from

0:43:04looking like he's 30 years old in that

0:43:06movie he looks the way that a lot of

0:43:09cool kids did look at the time what we

0:43:11would then maybe have called preppy I

0:43:13mean but that that look of like heavily

0:43:16self-consciously branded sportswear was

0:43:20was the way to go and look for the girls

0:43:22in my case like it was good they would

0:43:24go to I like a spree there's a lot of a

0:43:25spree where oh yeah so you get you know

0:43:29what I mean you get like the like not

0:43:31the kind of clam diggers then or you get

0:43:33this the striped shirts and get the

0:43:35candy shoes and multiple bracelets and

0:43:37that was the whole thing but you

0:43:39wouldn't look like a farmer

0:43:40no you didn't you wanted to I mean at

0:43:44this

0:43:44I can't I can't go back enough as I

0:43:47thought about this sometimes I wish I

0:43:48could go back and stand in the student

0:43:50center of my school and watch the kids

0:43:53go by and see them with my current eyes

0:43:57rather than with my afflicted eyes the

0:44:01afflicted eyes of teenage life

0:44:03we're just like you know loser cool kid

0:44:07loser stoner cool kid loser

0:44:12I don't even see that kitty such a loser

0:44:14you know like there was so much of that

0:44:17in the in the cult in my culture in high

0:44:22school

0:44:22and I was you know and I was terrified

0:44:25that I was a loser and I didn't did I

0:44:29never succumbed to the to the brand

0:44:32thing or like I'm not going to be a

0:44:34loser I'm in a dress right and i'm going

0:44:35to feather my hair whatever but i would

0:44:38but you know like my my way of

0:44:40communicating to people that I wasn't a

0:44:42loser was that I carried a copy of The

0:44:44Wall Street Journal tucked under my arm

0:44:45and nothing says loser more than a high

0:44:52school kid walking around with an unread

0:44:54copy of The Wall Street Journal

0:44:55secularism but I was convinced that that

0:44:59was the talus man that was going to

0:45:01protect me against other teens because

0:45:05they're gonna be like wood was that who

0:45:07loser and I would be like well I'm just

0:45:11checking my stocks we'll see who's the

0:45:16loser one day

0:45:17hmm and the loser one day is still me I

0:45:23still you know how many stocks guy

0:45:30Germany kids breakfast so I looked up

0:45:34the last name of Thomas and Peter just

0:45:37wondering what's going on with them

0:45:38because it was entirely possible that

0:45:40those guys could have gone on to you

0:45:45know own Microsoft or something

0:45:47I think I think if they if they owned

0:45:49microsoft I would have heard of it but i

0:45:52found one of the first links was to a

0:45:55German General in world war two who was

0:46:01part of the conspiracy to kill Hitler no

0:46:06way and i'm wondering it's a fairly

0:46:09uncommon name and i'm just i'm wondering

0:46:13if the the boys and their father were

0:46:17some sort of like the son of this guy or

0:46:21the nephew of this guy certainly would

0:46:23have left the country left the country

0:46:24and and you know been welcomed in

0:46:28America and it started a new life here

0:46:30but yeah I mean he won the Iron Cross

0:46:33and war one

0:46:35Wow

0:46:36you know he's one of those old prussian

0:46:37guys who was never a Nazi right they

0:46:42were they were they were in the Army

0:46:44right yeah so interesting I never really

0:46:48researched that before I always wondered

0:46:52about that family stone that so it is in

0:46:55their family huh mark one trains i

0:46:59decided not very long ago I was gonna go

0:47:00to the hobby store and get really

0:47:02interested in trains

0:47:04oh really and I was like I'm gonna build

0:47:06a marklin train set this time not not

0:47:08some a chode garbage on the matter has

0:47:11expressed an interest in becoming a

0:47:12trained person and and you haven't liked

0:47:15enthusiastically run to your we don't

0:47:18have a lot of square footage at the

0:47:19house but what happens when the flax as

0:47:21you do and there's this thing she's been

0:47:23wanting to get it's actually it's kind

0:47:24of cool they have a little like a little

0:47:26spinner rack of these different packages

0:47:29of what I was just an easy way to

0:47:31describe it is imagined you wanted to

0:47:33make your scale train set look like

0:47:35stuff so you can buy corn stalks you can

0:47:38buy trees you can get you know get apple

0:47:41trees you can get orange trees you can

0:47:43get you know all these different kinds

0:47:44of things and you make any of these

0:47:45little like little layouts that isn't

0:47:49yeah and I mean it'sit's you can use it

0:47:52for lots of different things I don't

0:47:53even know what scale but she was so

0:47:54thrilled to get a few of those and put

0:47:56it together and now I think she's coming

0:47:58to trains via set-dressing basically

0:48:00she's interested he's most interested in

0:48:01where she puts the cornstalks but trains

0:48:03are definitely beginning to enter into

0:48:05the discussion and so what scale are you

0:48:07starting with um I mean off the top of

0:48:10my head I don't know if it's a specific

0:48:13scale but it looks like it would be

0:48:14closer to end I mean the cornstalks are

0:48:16like it less than an inch i right okay

0:48:19so i think that's a good I think that's

0:48:22a good plan if I had it all to do over

0:48:23again even though h 0 is the standard

0:48:27but settles HR the big one HR not know

0:48:30that anything really big ones are like

0:48:32Lionel big big scale and a lot to learn

0:48:36but uh yeah the thing is that that pho

0:48:42is kind of the one that looks like a

0:48:44train set just looks like you don't even

0:48:47register that it's a scale because it is

0:48:49seems like trains at scale I get it yet

0:48:51but like I have the smaller scales like

0:48:59n scale i just think it's perfect

0:49:00because it's small enough that you can

0:49:02it's big enough that you can still make

0:49:04very detailed things and I think in some

0:49:07ways the detail looks more authentic

0:49:09because it's just examine down and kinda

0:49:11looks the coolest n is 1 2 160 is one

0:49:16below and called Z yes he is too small

0:49:1812 to 24 HR is what I remember so H oh

0:49:22here it looks like his 11 287 all the

0:49:26way to g g which is 12 22 which is just

0:49:29that's asinine that's 2g you could you

0:49:31even use your cat could ride the train

0:49:33right that would be super cute

0:49:34it'd be really cute but you have to do

0:49:36is you have to tape the cat into the

0:49:38time if you had one of those like if you

0:49:42had a little dog but that also suffered

0:49:44from ennui you know like a little dog

0:49:48that was sort of depressed and not like

0:49:49at like a skittish link on and found its

0:49:52back right now exactly you could maybe

0:49:55that maybe I could ride around in the g

0:49:57train you got you got if you got a fair

0:49:59amount of square footage in that place

0:50:01you you could you could have a train set

0:50:03there

0:50:03yeah I couldn't end and i have not ruled

0:50:06it out but I feel like the end scale is

0:50:08the way that you get a tabletop train

0:50:11set that still has enough set dressing

0:50:14because within a chode said if you're

0:50:16probably gonna build an oval on a tree

0:50:18on a tabletop that's all you're going to

0:50:20get the trains just going to go around

0:50:21in a circle

0:50:22oh yeah all the room you have you

0:50:24wouldn't have to do any cool stuff you

0:50:25would need to have it would have

0:50:26stations and towns and waters and stuff

0:50:28like that bridges and switches you needs

0:50:30here's the thing train set is all about

0:50:33the switching like I know you are you

0:50:36get into it through the set-dressing a

0:50:38lot of people do a lot of people get

0:50:40into it through the like oh it's cute

0:50:42little cute train then you build an

0:50:44Overland trains ooman around build a

0:50:47little town but then when you think I

0:50:50need to study to get a switch here and

0:50:53build another bill that building so the

0:50:56Train can sometimes go on this other

0:50:58track that's when the madness sets in

0:51:02and it seems like you're never done

0:51:03right

0:51:06I mean part part of the fun of it is

0:51:08that it would just go on and on forever

0:51:10yeah you build it forever you're always

0:51:12tearing it down you're always like oh

0:51:13you know I'm gonna redo this little

0:51:16corner of the Train Set make it you know

0:51:19make the waterfall more realistic or you

0:51:23know I never really liked like but my

0:51:24challenge was in the town scenes and

0:51:27that and I think anybody that's ever

0:51:29done a diorama of a town is going to

0:51:31recognize this problem which is how do

0:51:35you place the pretend cars on the

0:51:39pretend road where they look like actual

0:51:42traffic and not like how do you space

0:51:46them apart from one another so that they

0:51:48don't look like a kid just came in and

0:51:50put the cars evenly spaced right how do

0:51:54you make it look naturalistic that it's

0:51:56that it's traffic right that

0:51:58yeah there's a rookie a rookie mistake

0:52:00they just set this stuff down without

0:52:02the goal how they pull out of that

0:52:03parking space

0:52:04exactly how do you make it look like how

0:52:07to make it come alive and not look stage

0:52:10and then that's a huge challenge in

0:52:15modeling especially if you're if you're

0:52:18going to go the whole hog into a diorama

0:52:19i went to the state fair this year and

0:52:23walked through the the displays and you

0:52:27know there are whole there's a whole

0:52:29area of the state fair where people put

0:52:31their little dioramas that they've made

0:52:33but also people just display their

0:52:37collections there was a there was a guy

0:52:40that's really just is bring your stuff

0:52:42and put it out

0:52:43yeah that's very healing there's a guy

0:52:45that I know it was a guy had to be good

0:52:47there's like stagecraft to it is put

0:52:49away your stone there's a little bit of

0:52:51stagecraft he had the temerity to to

0:52:54display his collection of pendleton

0:52:58shirts and he like he did a whole

0:53:03display like la my collection of

0:53:06Pendleton's and I stood there marveling

0:53:09at this thing because they were great

0:53:11Pendleton

0:53:12it was a beautiful display he had

0:53:1520-plus Pendleton's when I was like I

0:53:18could fill this barn if the standard is

0:53:23if you have 20 Pendleton's here you're

0:53:25entitled to go to the state fair to

0:53:27arrange them in a display I was like

0:53:29first of all my candlestick display

0:53:33would win Best in Show le just any more

0:53:36questions like how many should i bring

0:53:38yeah my globe display like you know

0:53:41look out I could probably I could

0:53:43probably match that guy with a Pendleton

0:53:45display and i'm walking around this

0:53:46thing it's like all the normal ones

0:53:48where oh this person I you know I'm not

0:53:52gonna I'm not going to generalize about

0:53:54who they might be but this person has

0:53:56collected only butter jars that are

0:54:00shaped like pigs

0:54:02huh like butter like little covered

0:54:05butter dishes that are shaped like like

0:54:08two pigs in love or whatever and they

0:54:10are able to fill up an entire display

0:54:12with with the butter dish shaped with

0:54:15butter dishes of different sizes shapes

0:54:16like two pigs in love and you think

0:54:20that's spectacular like that is more

0:54:23that's monomaniacal and I give it to you

0:54:26but then the display where it's just

0:54:28like every kind of betty boop doll that

0:54:30you can find ya where where it's not

0:54:34that we're it's not weird enough like 22

0:54:37digs in love that's a theme and then

0:54:39that's what that would be a life's work

0:54:41John right but to limited to butter

0:54:43dishes like okay you are on you are on

0:54:46something or you are onto something and

0:54:49that the where the line is between on

0:54:51something and onto something

0:54:53it's you know it's just it seems very

0:54:55small but it's but it's like I am always

0:54:59trying to find where the break point is

0:55:02there between on something onto

0:55:04something so I'm walking around this

0:55:07thing and I'm like where would my if I

0:55:09were going to go to the state fair and

0:55:11put something down here like what would

0:55:15it be and how would I blow their minds

0:55:17how would I how would I indicate that i

0:55:20am onto something and not just on

0:55:21something and then I gotta come around

0:55:24the corner and there's a guy who

0:55:25as a collection of snare drums and it's

0:55:31and it fills a wall and I when I walk

0:55:35over to various very slowly and you know

0:55:36it's one of these things where when you

0:55:38pan back in the in the film you know all

0:55:41the other people are moving around very

0:55:42fast they're stopping and looking at

0:55:45stuff they're all in fast motion and I

0:55:48am in regular motion you can all it i'm

0:55:50building commission can visualize this

0:55:52i'm walking over to the drums and I'm

0:55:55like what the fuck is this like is this

0:55:59a bunch of junk or is this the most

0:56:03amazing thing I've ever seen and as I

0:56:05get closer I realized that it is amazing

0:56:07that this guy has old black beauties he

0:56:13has he has 25 different lucite snares of

0:56:20different rainbow colors from the from

0:56:23the ludwig years like he's got a snare

0:56:27drum from every era and representing you

0:56:34know all of the superstar drive snare

0:56:37drum porn

0:56:38basically he's got snares there that are

0:56:39worth $80,000 his snare collection

0:56:43belongs not in a museum but on top of

0:56:46the Empire State Building with a giant

0:56:48flag indicating its presence like it is

0:56:52a masterwork of craziness because to

0:56:57have that many stairs is insane but they

0:57:01were beautiful

0:57:02every single one of them was fantastic

0:57:04and I'm standing there staring at this

0:57:05thing and people walking by and my own

0:57:07family is taking up my sleeve and saying

0:57:09come on let's go

0:57:10like there's so much more to see like we

0:57:12have to go get burned corn that's

0:57:14covered with mayonnaise and and find

0:57:17some deep-fried like deep France

0:57:20deep-fried butter and I am mesmerised

0:57:24not just by the beauty of this above

0:57:27these pieces

0:57:28I'm just trying to get inside this

0:57:30person's mind at some point earlier some

0:57:34point early enough in the world that

0:57:37they could still acquire these snares

0:57:39without because you could tell this guy

0:57:42had never paid $80,000 for a snare right

0:57:44it's all it's a long game write

0:57:46something where he's he's been doing

0:57:47this for a while

0:57:48this is a lifetime pursuit and he

0:57:51recognizes that some of these snares

0:57:53belong in a museum and I don't even know

0:57:55if there is a museum for snares I think

0:57:57it starts with this man and a but he's

0:58:01been collecting them for a long time and

0:58:02he has the 59 Les Paul of snares and he

0:58:05has multiple versions of it

0:58:07Wow and he knows enough about it and

0:58:10he's got little three-by-five cards that

0:58:12he has typed with a typewriter that are

0:58:15talking about the difference in hardware

0:58:17and there are a couple of drums when

0:58:19he's like this is a very curious piece

0:58:21and now he's only talking to me

0:58:24alright John this this sounds very close

0:58:26to something me you need to be doing

0:58:29yeah they're the the fair has been going

0:58:31for three weeks and probably five people

0:58:33have stopped and stared at this thing

0:58:35and the other 4 guys you know all had

0:58:39really long hair and we're wearing a

0:58:43sleeveless t-shirt shaped like a British

0:58:45flag your spook you're saying I'm up

0:58:48takes in love with probably draw draw

0:58:49more foot traffic a lot more people at

0:58:51the fair going to stop at the pigs and

0:58:53love butter dishes but so I'm sitting

0:58:55I'm reading these little cards and he's

0:58:57like technically this Hardware shouldn't

0:59:00be brass but it is and that and that

0:59:05poses several questions about the date

0:59:08of manufacture and my aunt and my theory

0:59:14is that when they discontinued the model

0:59:18beforehand they had some hardware left

0:59:20over and they built this and that you

0:59:22know he's just talking about these he's

0:59:25talking about these drums like from the

0:59:27standpoint of exactly the kind of crazy

0:59:30that I am so it's not enough that he's

0:59:33discovered something that probably

0:59:35nobody else cares about let alone

0:59:37noticed but he's got a reckon he's got

0:59:39he's got a theory on why it happen

0:59:41and that's right and he's got to sit and

0:59:43go like Newark Newark Newark about it

0:59:45intended and like I'm sure that he I'm

0:59:50sure that he has clutched that drum to

0:59:53his chest and swayed back and forth like

0:59:56mm that's some shit that's

0:59:56mm that's some shit that's

1:00:00because he's thought about the he's

1:00:03thought about the life that this drum

1:00:05has led right

1:00:07he knows that he knows the data was made

1:00:09but he also knows that it has made its

1:00:12way through time retaining a certain

1:00:17characteristics that other drugs have

1:00:19lost it has retained its you know

1:00:21there's he had a couple of drums then

1:00:23had a where their finish was a was like

1:00:28a a print of the signatures of all the

1:00:32great drummers of that era like somebody

1:00:36got buddy rich and Gene Krupa and all

1:00:39these guys to sign

1:00:41Wow a piece of paper and then they

1:00:43reproduce it and made it into a into a

1:00:47cover for a drum for snare and he had

1:00:51multiples of this there were different

1:00:54colors and he was and he was like dis

1:00:56court discoursing like this one is very

1:01:01own you this one is very unusual and I'm

1:01:04just like oh my god where are you

1:01:07you've gotta be around here somewhere I

1:01:08have to talk to you now because you know

1:01:12these things that these things were rare

1:01:13to begin with but what makes them

1:01:16interesting is that they made this that

1:01:17made this journey and he has thought

1:01:21about their journey and the you know and

1:01:23the parts of the journey that he can

1:01:24tell he wants to tell in the parts that

1:01:27he can't tell our we'll always be we'll

1:01:31always be curious about them he wants

1:01:32somebody to call him up and say that was

1:01:34my drum back in nineteen fifty like

1:01:36nothing would make him happier when the

1:01:38fact that it's something that's so we're

1:01:39so rare and so weird that it must feel a

1:01:42little bit magical that not only made it

1:01:44but one of the few people in the world

1:01:46who can fully appreciate it is the

1:01:48person who has it now

1:01:49yeah yeah somewhat miraculous that all

1:01:52those things lined up in the way they

1:01:53did

1:01:54yeah here's the thing and it's and there

1:01:58were multiple multiple times in its life

1:02:00where it could have been worse some

1:02:02teenage kid could have been like oh yeah

1:02:04I found this drum in my dad's basement

1:02:05let's start a band and let's spray paint

1:02:08it black to make it look cool

1:02:12and that didn't happen to this drum you

1:02:16know right a kid did knots did not sand

1:02:19the finish off of his dad's 55 les paul

1:02:21and paint it with Gene Simmons his face

1:02:25it was left alone but not left alone in

1:02:31a moldy basement where it was destroyed

1:02:32left alone somewhere where it was

1:02:34protected and I mean it's just like a

1:02:37butt

1:02:38so eventually I was I had to be dragged

1:02:41away from this thing because I because I

1:02:43just wanted to stay there until the fair

1:02:45closed and until this person came to get

1:02:47these drawings you never got to talk to

1:02:49him or her not around this the the drum

1:02:52collector remained a mystery to me it

1:02:55was I was just seeing into them i was

1:02:57looking into them through this weirdness

1:03:01and oh the best part of it is this is a

1:03:07person who thought to bring it to the

1:03:09fair

1:03:10yeah how does that how do you think

1:03:12there must be some intermediary

1:03:14organization of collectors like that no

1:03:17God the weekend I mean I mean is there

1:03:19like an RFP they send out some kind of

1:03:21announcement hey if you have a lot of

1:03:23something and want to bring it to the

1:03:24fair here's how to do it

1:03:25yeah look I don't know I mean that this

1:03:28is the type of thing i would expect to

1:03:29see up above the counter in a in a store

1:03:34in New York City where when you walk in

1:03:37and ask the person behind the counter

1:03:39for something he yells at you

1:03:40yeah sure right this is this is the type

1:03:43of thing that you would see at sam ash

1:03:45music in midtown as a you know like this

1:03:51is the only place in the world where you

1:03:52will see this acceptance at the puyallup

1:03:54fair in Washington and I don't and I

1:03:57don't know where it is now it all got

1:03:58boxed up and its back in this persons

1:04:00living room burr or or I mean the thing

1:04:03is it's not in the Attic it's to this is

1:04:07not a thing that just gets trotted out

1:04:09once a year it has it lives somewhere I

1:04:12don't know

1:04:13well everyone let's get to the the

1:04:14really crazy part which is in all of

1:04:16that chain now who knows maybe the most

1:04:18telling part is you were there to see it

1:04:21of all people mmm don't you think so

1:04:24well that's the thing so I'm wondering

1:04:25like if I'm

1:04:26go to the puyallup fair next year and

1:04:28I'm gonna take up one of these boots and

1:04:29i'm going to put a collection there like

1:04:32what is it i caii return back to what I

1:04:35said before I think you should do a

1:04:36little bit of research about how those

1:04:38folks got there because first of all

1:04:39make sure it's a party you really want

1:04:41to go to this my this is this my great

1:04:45is that you think about having a special

1:04:46i also cannot believe that the

1:04:47perpetrator was not standing there with

1:04:49his stuff the whole time because I mean

1:04:51like Gollum I imagine he's pretty

1:04:52particular about who touches the snares

1:04:54well we couldn't touch them they were

1:04:56they were you know if I if you could

1:04:58touch him I wouldn't touch them like

1:05:00crazy stuff happens but you know and

1:05:01also you got to be careful because you

1:05:02know you might not go there and for

1:05:03three weeks and having lunch with the

1:05:04pigs and love lady or man

1:05:06well that's the thing if you're if

1:05:07you're at a party like that and you get

1:05:10and you end up talking to the Betty Boop

1:05:12person who you're like so when did you

1:05:15start collecting Betty Boop and they're

1:05:17like oh I've been collecting Betty Boop

1:05:18for 30 years and you go right I can tell

1:05:20you've got like 10,000 Betty Boop's

1:05:23there

1:05:23what is your like standard of selecting

1:05:27them and the person looks at you kind of

1:05:30quickly and goes what do you mean I just

1:05:32buy all the Betty Boop's I by everybody

1:05:34boot right you go write a lot of those

1:05:37Betty Boop's were made in china and

1:05:39they're like what does that have to do

1:05:41with anything

1:05:42it's usually right you know i'm not

1:05:45interested in just buying everybody

1:05:47boots because when you're when you're

1:05:48looking well that's Betty boobs are pigs

1:05:50in love or snare drums which are

1:05:52passionately interested in your

1:05:54interested in let's say 20 items that

1:05:56they have but you're also incredibly

1:05:58interested by extension in the 50,000

1:06:00things that they didn't bother was not

1:06:02part of the curation sure what makes it

1:06:04special is that why should I got a whole

1:06:06lot of storage shed full of betty boop

1:06:08so who cares those are all that's a

1:06:10little cast of losers bring on Antiques

1:06:11Roadshow no sir

1:06:12did you notice making 73 copyright on

1:06:14your haha i like those this Shirley

1:06:17Temple doll was made five years simple

1:06:19if you had if you had a ton of money if

1:06:22you had 500 grand and you wanted to go

1:06:25compile a collection of snare drums

1:06:28where you're only story was i bought

1:06:31this because it was expensive

1:06:35you could you could you could build a

1:06:37collection of snare drums you could

1:06:39build any kind of collection

1:06:40he just went and bought it's the it's

1:06:42that this that he he knew he had looked

1:06:46he had looked at the threads of the

1:06:49screws right and had something salient

1:06:52to say about it

1:06:53so yeah like we walked by one that was a

1:06:56wall of Winnie the Pooh's and it had the

1:07:01same it was the Betty Boop story was

1:07:02just like you know it's a wall

1:07:03winnie-the-pooh said it may be their

1:07:05work maybe there are a dozen Winnie the

1:07:08Pooh's in here that have something

1:07:10interesting to say but I can't tell

1:07:11because you're just trying to overwhelm

1:07:13me with with quantity right and so

1:07:17you're at the you're at the party here

1:07:18at the pre-party and you get you get you

1:07:22get cornered by the Betty Boop in the

1:07:24winnie the pooh person

1:07:25yes just like listen I really want to

1:07:27talk to the pigs in love butter dish

1:07:30person that is my kind of crazy and

1:07:34they're just they're over talk about the

1:07:35snare drum Caillou never you maybe get

1:07:36you get in the wrong

1:07:38click it seems like this must bring up a

1:07:41lot of questions for you that one of the

1:07:43questions i'm guessing must be if you

1:07:45were hypothetically going to bring one

1:07:47of your numerous collections to the

1:07:49Apollo Apollo hope obama affair

1:07:52what up to have a sense of like it would

1:07:55be gloves would it be candles

1:07:56what kinds of things do you feel like

1:07:57you need to share what you feel you

1:07:59could best curate for the audience there

1:08:01if I if I wanted to just overwhelm them

1:08:04i would just take my collection of a

1:08:07little field field notes books that i've

1:08:10never written anything in four right

1:08:13because every it seems like for the last

1:08:1510 years every single event i go to the

1:08:20in the schwag bag is 0 is a package of

1:08:24three fields notes field notes books

1:08:28that 25 years ago i would have

1:08:31compulsively filled those things with

1:08:35crazy ranting but somehow I and so and

1:08:42so I complain so I collect them because

1:08:44they still represent to me this

1:08:47opportunity because it used to be when I

1:08:50was 20 years old it was hard to get a-a

1:08:53little notebook that fit in the pocket

1:08:54of your jeans that you could write your

1:08:56screens on their hands on their well

1:09:00made and they're free and free in your

1:09:01case you get them for free i feel i feel

1:09:03the thousand types of those before

1:09:06fields field notes were invented so what

1:09:08I see them when i get them

1:09:09I'm always pleased that i can gather

1:09:11them to me but I i could do nothing for

1:09:16the rest of my life but rant that crazy

1:09:18scribble rant in a field notebook and i

1:09:21still would not feel fill all the ones i

1:09:23have have enough i have enough for for a

1:09:26like the library at Alexandria

1:09:30completely written i could be i could be

1:09:33the guy in the movie seven just with

1:09:35field looks so i could just blow

1:09:38people's minds with all of the different

1:09:39i could just do a whole display was just

1:09:41like this guy's in seen why is he that

1:09:45doesn't even seem like a container I

1:09:46mean it's a great notebooks I've got a

1:09:47couple right here but yeah but is it is

1:09:49see I feel like this could be a nice

1:09:51clarifying moment for you because it

1:09:54causes you to not first of all the idea

1:09:57of this being an opportunity is since

1:09:59it's so interesting because it's so

1:10:00close to so many things you've been

1:10:01talking about doing but it's also

1:10:03clarifying the sense of like okay maybe

1:10:05I maybe I am a collector of many kinds

1:10:07of things but if I were going to decide

1:10:09like what's the one kind of these things

1:10:12that i'm on one hand was interested in

1:10:15curating and sharing but also like okay

1:10:17with taking to like an open area in a

1:10:19barn

1:10:19like what would that be you have a set

1:10:21rough sense of that well you know lately

1:10:23the last few years i've been very

1:10:25interested in wool blankets like throws

1:10:29the kind of blanket that you would some

1:10:34of them would not going on a lot of curb

1:10:36appeal right come on a lot of blood

1:10:39they wouldn't be out of place like

1:10:43thrown across your legs at a football

1:10:44game

1:10:45oh no III value blankets it's just I

1:10:47don't know that has has a lot as as a

1:10:50live performance environment you've

1:10:52gotta see my collection of blankets

1:10:54something to really pop the guy with the

1:10:57Pendleton shirt collection the the

1:11:00unifying characteristic of them they're

1:11:02all Pendleton

1:11:03yeah whereas I have a little on the nose

1:11:07I have penalty blankets but i also have

1:11:08Hudson Bay blankets i have blankets from

1:11:10the caribou mill I have blankets from

1:11:14you know there are a lot of there are a

1:11:17lot of regional miss like fabric mills

1:11:21and looms in the old days that made

1:11:24their signature American blankets and I

1:11:29have some from a lot of those i have

1:11:31some from Scotland I have some that are

1:11:33made of cashmere and if you put them all

1:11:36together you start to go like who this

1:11:41is this is a thing this is a real this

1:11:44is something that I wouldn't have

1:11:48noticed but now i'm at the fair and i'm

1:11:50being shown how little I knew right

1:11:55that's going again but i mean i guess i

1:11:58don't know maybe I'm over overthinking

1:12:00overstating this but it feels like this

1:12:02is the kind of thing that will come to

1:12:03you in a dream and get you actually

1:12:05lived it like you had the opportunity

1:12:06not just see that this can exist but

1:12:08that it does exist and you didn't have

1:12:10the experience of walking through it and

1:12:12seeing what worked and didn't work for

1:12:14you and this puts you in the position

1:12:15that i feel like if i may say that

1:12:17you've been craving for two or three

1:12:18years which is what does am I on to

1:12:20something or am I was afraid my onto

1:12:22something on my own something that in so

1:12:25I mean you must be clarifying to because

1:12:27now you could say well given the amount

1:12:29of space i might have for this what

1:12:31could I display best now it's become

1:12:33more artful thing because you could

1:12:34think about what would what would have

1:12:36curb appeal to show like this but the

1:12:38problem is i'm not sure that maybe I'm

1:12:40not just on something right like when I

1:12:44think a year to find out what when I

1:12:46think about it it would be like here's

1:12:48my collection few candlesticks some

1:12:51globes some historical atlases couple of

1:12:56switchblades some blankets a few

1:12:59different kinds of

1:13:03like land jaegers uh-huh some beer

1:13:08steins that are staying with coffee all

1:13:15of the US presidents represented in

1:13:17dolls you don't actually have that day

1:13:21so I do some beach some rocks at the

1:13:24beach that have a that have some kind of

1:13:26what are called wish rocks which are

1:13:30rocks that have a us a ring around them

1:13:32arm like a jar of those over that like

1:13:39twenty dollars in about 80 different

1:13:41currencies worldwide on the Washington

1:13:44State Fair page and I have to be honest

1:13:47i'm having trouble finding what this

1:13:48thing is called but there are many

1:13:49interesting things at the fair

1:13:51I won't tell you that much it's a hobby

1:13:53hall I think it might be hobby hall is

1:13:56it hobbie hall for an amazing look at

1:13:57the intriguing world of crafts and

1:13:59collections from lego displays to try

1:14:01collections two coins and everything

1:14:02in-between quirky is a great description

1:14:04for all the fascinating personal

1:14:06collections on display in the Hobby home

1:14:08well so that's the thing like if you

1:14:10just if you just build some stuff on

1:14:12Legos you can put it at the hobby hall

1:14:13if you build a scale if you build a

1:14:16scale model of the house from psycho and

1:14:21want to show it to people i mean that

1:14:23will put that right in the center of the

1:14:25room I don't want to put you on the spot

1:14:26John but the page concludes the link and

1:14:29the link says you love to collect were

1:14:31key items learn how to enter your very

1:14:33own display here you know the link so

1:14:36what I'm trying to picture now is the

1:14:37snare drum collector following like

1:14:40going to this page at some point in

1:14:41their life

1:14:42I'm saying you know what I'm I'm doing

1:14:44it because I i go to the fair every year

1:14:45and I always walk through hobby hall

1:14:48I see a lot of crazy stuff i see some

1:14:50stuff that really turns me on i see some

1:14:52stuff that really turns me off but the

1:14:56snare drum collection I've never seen

1:14:57before

1:14:58this isn't this person has come out of

1:14:59the woodwork

1:15:01I'm right now on the

1:15:0822 page PDF that you can review already

1:15:13got to get going

1:15:15it lays out all of the different kinds

1:15:16of prices that you can win

1:15:18it's got an entire John i encourage you

1:15:20to look at this it's got the entire

1:15:21taxonomy including the cat Dewey Decimal

1:15:24like system all the classes of intensive

1:15:27so let's say for example just kind of

1:15:28just toss one out for fun

1:15:29ok let's say you're interested in egg

1:15:31art okay thats continues its division 2

1:15:3422 / in some of these there's an

1:15:37important note all entries must be real

1:15:39eggs

1:15:40well I'm this is if you've seen these

1:15:42yes people make holes that it's just

1:15:45like a train set set dressing is the is

1:15:47the real appeal before I accept your

1:15:50dressing eggs and they are interacting

1:15:52Beatles so that's the vision to 22 then

1:15:54you got classes start with 4800 diorama

1:15:56hinge mechanical decoupage hand-painted

1:15:58beaded jeweled fancy cut natural dye wax

1:16:00resist scratched scratched eggs holiday

1:16:03miniature these smaller than chicken egg

1:16:06or 4865 you've got other eggs smaller

1:16:09the chicken eggs smaller than chicken

1:16:10egg now that's just in the agar division

1:16:12smaller than chicken egg is not a subset

1:16:15of other eggs and there's no wonder if

1:16:18you got involved with the governing

1:16:19board here I think you could help a lot

1:16:20of people

1:16:21mhm dolls decorative arts or soft toys

1:16:25handcrafted soft toys and animals your

1:16:30diaper reproduction dolls they're all

1:16:33they're all kinds of people that walk in

1:16:35there like this my winnie the pooh

1:16:36collection and whoever the judges that's

1:16:38like well technically it says

1:16:39handcrafted but you know Johnny thanks I

1:16:43don't take up the whole episode can I

1:16:45just point to scrapbooking division 2 18

1:16:48ok so class 4320 traditional layout

1:16:52digital layout hybrid layout which is a

1:16:53combination of traditional and digital

1:16:54photography that's for school they have

1:16:57juniors and adults and scrapbooking so

1:16:59your daughter can do this if you're

1:17:00under 16 going to do i do a hybrid

1:17:03layout that's a 4336 hey there there was

1:17:07someone you know now I'm really

1:17:09reminiscent of the fair someone who had

1:17:10a double-wide booth to taking up the

1:17:15space of two booths just for their duran

1:17:18duran memorabilia

1:17:20haha this is a duran duran duran duran

1:17:24that's right and frankly I spent quite a

1:17:27bit of time studying it and my

1:17:31experience of it was two things a lot of

1:17:33that stuff was purchased not in the

1:17:38Canonical's or an era but post seven and

1:17:41the ragged tiger michaël Opie write out

1:17:43a period out of period it was you know

1:17:45it's like it's not brand-new duran duran

1:17:48stuff but it's too random stuff from

1:17:491994 so my even though i'm looking at

1:17:56this you know i'm studying this thing

1:17:57pretty carefully

1:17:58I'm discounting a lot of that stuff like

1:18:02post there's there i'm sure there's

1:18:06plenty of disagreement but I feel like

1:18:08post even 80 for you to render and stuff

1:18:12is not your post 84 duran duran stuff

1:18:15you're like tour program from indonesia

1:18:17in 2001 is not that's not killing it for

1:18:21me and the next thought I had was I have

1:18:25some pieces that this person doesn't

1:18:28have I have the director and velcro

1:18:32wallet that would that I know if this

1:18:37person got a hold of the director and

1:18:38while velcro wallet would be front and

1:18:41center they would have it that's

1:18:42licensed I bet that wasn't licensed I i

1:18:45have had an unlicensed Adam and the ants

1:18:47wallet that I treasured probably not

1:18:50licensed although you know you never

1:18:52know Russian the members John it's only

1:18:5422 pages i feel but i but but another

1:18:58part of the another part of the joy for

1:19:00me would be to go around and kind of

1:19:03like get into a little bit of a disc

1:19:05battle

1:19:06uh-huh with a lot of these people like

1:19:08like to walk up on the dram person and

1:19:11just throw down the thing you'd step to

1:19:13them

1:19:14yeah that's right throw down the velcro

1:19:15wall and be like what do you got they

1:19:16can we got the commands that you know

1:19:18that some rap battle but about things no

1:19:20one cares about right don't show me some

1:19:22picture disc like do you have some merch

1:19:26i'm talking about merch now our station

1:19:29coke mirror

1:19:30yeah writer or a painter's cap with

1:19:33two flaps hanging down the back oh

1:19:36that's a great look that up from the

1:19:38movie break into you have something I

1:19:41mean can you like can you really come

1:19:43back with something that you didn't just

1:19:45didn't just buy you know because you are

1:19:4830 and you got into drag around at some

1:19:50later period like days right you

1:19:53couldn't there must be a lot of like

1:19:54signal-to-noise ratio because of ebay

1:19:56and people making money was always

1:19:59losing you start paper in the walls a

1:20:01lot of shit you bought off the internet

1:20:02and I guess that's not collecting that's

1:20:03just that's just that's just buying

1:20:04things and having a room

1:20:06yeah it's like don't you go into a

1:20:07thrift store now and that and they have

1:20:09they all have first of all they all have

1:20:10racks of like more expensive clothes

1:20:13better brands as they say that brands

1:20:16which back in the day they didn't do now

1:20:19that you're out shirts yeah his shirts

1:20:21go two shirts but now they have better

1:20:23brands and what cracks me up is that now

1:20:25so they had better brands for a while

1:20:27but now you walk into throwing you

1:20:28search through the better brands and

1:20:29it's like american eagle and right and

1:20:33old maybe in your like who are you

1:20:35people

1:20:36I think to be a better brand your shirt

1:20:37should probably have been made by an

1:20:39adult

1:20:39yeah but that's not that's not the case

1:20:41anymore I mean yes i agree better brand

1:20:44implies to me that it was made by hand

1:20:46by someone in America you're and that's

1:20:48not a child that's not a child right huh

1:20:52but that's not that's not the case

1:20:54anymore old navy old maybe in the better

1:20:56brains Bobby Hauck elections rules there

1:20:58are some things you should familiarize

1:20:59yourself with I'm afraid to go down this

1:21:02rabbit hole will have a field first rule

1:21:04of hobby haha Corrections is a little

1:21:06talk about hobby lobby all collections

1:21:08now closed

1:21:10previously display collections may be

1:21:12resubmitted after two years

1:21:13whoa so their scarcity no selling or

1:21:16soliciting number five no suggested

1:21:19materials will be accepted but there are

1:21:22some people that are better pushing the

1:21:23envelope on that Betty Boop has there's

1:21:25a lot of pain hallway to eat that's true

1:21:27when we get to number six the fair

1:21:29reserves the right to remove any

1:21:30material from any exhibit that might be

1:21:32objectionable that's where did very

1:21:34poorly said material will be held in a

1:21:36secure place until exhibit is picked up

1:21:37at the close of the fair you can have it

1:21:39back when we're done the exhibitor will

1:21:41be notified imagine that convention they

1:21:43go and grab a snare drum and go take it

1:21:44somewhere and you can have it back at

1:21:46the end

1:21:46yeah because it doesn't meet their

1:21:48standards at some painting on it there

1:21:50was there was a guy who did a display in

1:21:53honor of the f-4 phantom and he

1:21:56obviously built several models of the f4

1:21:59which were handsome he done a good job

1:22:01but then he had some photocopied

1:22:05boilerplate about the f4 which is like

1:22:09anybody anybody walking through here

1:22:12knows all this stuff already obviously

1:22:14right if you're gonna walk over and look

1:22:16at the f-4 phantom display at the hobby

1:22:19hall here

1:22:20you already know about the f-4 phantom

1:22:22it's that's not a thing that somebody is

1:22:24like a look at the pigs look at the many

1:22:26boobs look at the f4 phantoms you know

1:22:29no it's elvis presley was a

1:22:31rock-and-roll serie the devil you say

1:22:33exactly same song obvious anybody here

1:22:36that's a rookie rookie information

1:22:37that's rookie information and you could

1:22:39tell after a while that what it was he

1:22:41was trying to fill up his booth because

1:22:42all he really had was like forever for

1:22:47that he built which is great and great

1:22:49start but then he had a couple of like f

1:22:52for toys like toys that you admire

1:22:54anything that may be that guy would not

1:22:56get a presentation he gotta be called a

1:22:58poster you got a science fair project

1:23:00you get this much area you get a chair

1:23:01get a chair to sit on and hold up your

1:23:03one good thing that's right so don't you

1:23:05know don't go on the internet and copy

1:23:07off somebody f4 phantom was originally

1:23:09designed as it's like no no no tell us

1:23:12something we don't know about the f-4

1:23:13phantom and and and that's what made

1:23:16this display a little bit weird because

1:23:18a couple of the models that he'd built

1:23:20we're not just your standard Navy issue

1:23:22phantom it was like these were

1:23:25interesting that they had radar pods

1:23:27they were weird but you know he did say

1:23:29he did say to the maybe not everyone

1:23:32knows that the f4 was the first aircraft

1:23:35that was used by all the branches of the

1:23:38service that's an interesting fact

1:23:40interesting fact right yep it's

1:23:42interceptor for all all bring all

1:23:45branches for those were the days right

1:23:48I feel like I'm kind of letting you off

1:23:50easy i don't want to pressure you i'm

1:23:52just looking just in large and large

1:23:53broad swath just generally speaking

1:23:56well first of all let me ask let's go

1:23:57two steps 00 rule of AA bhi hall do you

1:24:01think you want to do this would you

1:24:02consider will you consider this

1:24:03that's the I just don't know who my

1:24:05audience is there it's basically the

1:24:07population of Washington State everybody

1:24:09comes

1:24:09yeah there was gonna be a little people

1:24:11that would be interested I thought for a

1:24:13while that I was going to collect letter

1:24:14openers that have been carved out of

1:24:16mahogany and I have don't have them i

1:24:21have just enough i don't have just

1:24:23enough letter openers because with the

1:24:27first few that I got I was like this is

1:24:29weird

1:24:30who would make a knife out of wood right

1:24:32right I need to take this home and study

1:24:35it more closely and so I took it home

1:24:37and I studied more closely and after a

1:24:38time I realized oh these are combat

1:24:43knives

1:24:44I don't think some of them are cars are

1:24:45in correspondence knives

1:24:47yeah these are the this is meant to sit

1:24:49on your desk and then you open letters

1:24:50with it so that I was like oh that's

1:24:52interesting and then I would see them i

1:24:54would say not not not garbage ones but

1:24:57one that had been ones that have been

1:24:59hand-made right and so I have just

1:25:03enough of those but the problem is I

1:25:05haven't I haven't gone down the rabbit

1:25:07hole haven't sought out other letter

1:25:09opener collectors compared notes with

1:25:12them at this happened to me one time I

1:25:15I've been collecting a cool ray

1:25:18sunglasses which one of this they're

1:25:21cheap sunglasses from the old days in a

1:25:27raid and knock off they were made by

1:25:30Polaroid I think and they were not they

1:25:34were not ray bans knockoffs exactly they

1:25:37were they were because they were cheap

1:25:41they were you could make them in a lot

1:25:44of different kind of crazy wacky styles

1:25:47and so you can really collect cool ray

1:25:51sunglasses in like it you can make a

1:25:55very cool collection of them because

1:25:56they're just so many of them

1:25:58and they're very very cool-looking it's

1:26:01that it's the perfect sort of at sea

1:26:03thing

1:26:05cool ray sunglasses perfect kind of

1:26:07thing that you would find there but I

1:26:11had a pretty good collection of cool ray

1:26:12sunglasses I thought and was at a party

1:26:17one day talking to a punk rock

1:26:20photographer guy i know and i was like I

1:26:27think he might have had some cool raise

1:26:29hanging off of the pocket of his fifties

1:26:31bowling shirt was like nice cooler is it

1:26:35was like oh thanks i was like yeah I got

1:26:39a little collection of those it was like

1:26:41oh really now already I already knew I

1:26:45was in trouble and I was like well yeah

1:26:49I do actually have a pretty cool

1:26:51collection of dozens like he also do i

1:26:57do you wanna compare and I was like fuck

1:27:03him on the ropes already here

1:27:04yeah because I've got a great collection

1:27:07of sunglasses the numbers in the

1:27:10hundreds but i don't but they're not

1:27:11it's not like cool ray right and he's at

1:27:15this party he's got some hanging off of

1:27:17the pocket of his shirt which is just

1:27:19like a fishing lure for exactly the

1:27:24bigmouth bass of me who wanders up and

1:27:28is like old yummy these all pics and

1:27:32then he's like now I've got a live one

1:27:34he knows what these are and he thinks

1:27:35he's he thinks he's got something to say

1:27:37about them and so over the course of

1:27:42knowing this guy for a long time I

1:27:44realized that he is a true cool ray

1:27:46collector and he has hundreds of them

1:27:49and so I'm sending in pictures you know

1:27:52that this is like basically like sexting

1:27:54between middle-aged collector dudes I'm

1:27:58like this happen to be unix that's right

1:28:01hey you have this one and I'm not

1:28:03sending a picture of my best pair cool

1:28:05raise I i know enough about the scare

1:28:09you keep your powder dry keep the powder

1:28:11dry start way

1:28:12up the chain I'm like what about but but

1:28:13you know but not send him the one that

1:28:15everybody's got right like yeah what

1:28:17about these and he's just like sends me

1:28:19back a picture of like 15 of them back

1:28:23okay so then I i skipped a couple of

1:28:25head and I'm like these ones are pretty

1:28:27cool i'm not even trying to I'm not even

1:28:29fronting to him anymore I'm just like I

1:28:33I like these ones these are cool send

1:28:35him one and he's send me back a picture

1:28:37of that one and then the 10 iterations

1:28:39on either side of it i'm just like i

1:28:41don't i am beat

1:28:44and so I go immediately I'm out of this

1:28:45game right I go immediately to my best

1:28:48pair and he's got those two and then in

1:28:53desperation I take a picture of my

1:28:57entire glasses collection and I'm like

1:29:03and I'd I'm not I'm not throwing it down

1:29:05like boom I'm just like well you know

1:29:09sometimes it's hard to find all the cool

1:29:11raise that I have interspersed amongst

1:29:13all these other amazing glasses that I

1:29:16have that you probably don't

1:29:17how's your barn a collection dude you

1:29:19know like I send him this thing and what

1:29:22he writes back he doesn't send a picture

1:29:23back he writes back i noticed that you

1:29:27shot your collection from underneath

1:29:31from the floor you laid on the floor to

1:29:34take this picture to make your Tower of

1:29:38glasses see more impressive and I was

1:29:41just like oh I'm defeated utterly

1:29:45defeated by this he didn't feel like he

1:29:48had to come back at you

1:29:50he didn't heat and and part of the

1:29:52application was all of my classes

1:29:54wouldn't even fit in a single frame

1:29:57oh and I you know and and and basically

1:30:00like I have a bigger fish to fry right

1:30:02now junior and I just like that she's

1:30:06got more important people send pictures

1:30:08of sunglasses too

1:30:09yeah I just slunk away i slunk away

1:30:13yeah i yeah okay I take your point this

1:30:16may not be the thing for you

1:30:18what so what would you if you were if

1:30:22somebody came in and they were like

1:30:23listen mother we know that this isn't

1:30:24your thing but you have to fill up a

1:30:27booth at the fair

1:30:30it's part of its part of your parole

1:30:32it's part of its part of your transition

1:30:35to the next layer to the next level

1:30:38what would your booth would your your

1:30:41glass case containing I don't know what

1:30:43time i would have said zippo lighters I

1:30:45don't have a huge collection but you

1:30:47know I had a dozen or so I you know I

1:30:49don't have a good current collection of

1:30:52things that aren't just purely garbage

1:30:54I don't have that anymore you used to

1:30:57have

1:30:57didn't you used to have figurines used

1:30:59to have like like anything yeah I don't

1:31:03have anything I don't have anything rare

1:31:04or unusual it'll be more like if I went

1:31:07to Target Field a few bags and then

1:31:09happened to go to the fair and put it on

1:31:10the table so it's not you don't have

1:31:12like ren and stimpy in their original

1:31:13box that type of stuff don't have

1:31:15anything in its original box and that's

1:31:18a good climate is fair enough cheese I

1:31:21don't know there's a time when I

1:31:22would've said maybe records but what

1:31:24you're describing is so dispiriting

1:31:25because what you're describing is kind

1:31:26of my experience of dealing with a lot

1:31:28of folks like this where it's why nerds

1:31:30get a bad name is things like this where

1:31:33there's no way that this ends that

1:31:34anybody's actually happy like it's not

1:31:36joyful it's not celebratory it's like

1:31:39two guys with micro penises like

1:31:40whipping it out as much as one can with

1:31:43a micropenis

1:31:43you know what I hate to disappoint you

1:31:46or anything you know this already but

1:31:47the zippo lighter guy

1:31:49yeah the zippo lighter guys got 800

1:31:53lighters yeah right yeah and you know

1:31:56and they're they're from Vietnam and you

1:31:58don't want the challenge I'm trying to

1:31:59answer the challenge i'm telling you i

1:32:01think i would come up short

1:32:02I'm looking around my office now i don't

1:32:04i don't really have I don't have

1:32:06anything useful that would interest

1:32:08other people and definitely would not be

1:32:09worth the kind of discussions i would

1:32:11have to have with that with sunglasses

1:32:13guy what about your collection of a like

1:32:18USB 2.0 firewire card I have a pretty

1:32:23good collection of sketchy 25 and

1:32:25c50 you know what my zip drive by zip

1:32:28and jazz drive collection would be very

1:32:30useful

1:32:31I my wonder i wonder if there's not a

1:32:34collection right under your nose

1:32:36let me try to get forest for the trees I

1:32:39got a lot of really nice pencils here

1:32:40like little kids pencils see I don't I

1:32:43just I just feel like this is this is an

1:32:45interesting thought technology for you

1:32:47because it could help guide what you

1:32:50decide to do in the future i'll just

1:32:52point out in passing

1:32:53there is also another ferret coming in

1:32:54April there's a countdown of JavaScript

1:32:56countdown of the top of the page hundred

1:32:58ninety four days three hours 26 minutes

1:33:00till the the LOL thats until the spring

1:33:02fair there's a there's us a state fair

1:33:06in the spring

1:33:07um it says it's the spits the spring

1:33:10fairness in JavaScript so it must be

1:33:11true

1:33:12huh I I guess I just never I always

1:33:15think about right there isn't one here

1:33:16at the exercise it could be a thought

1:33:18technology just for you to think about

1:33:20you don't committing you're committing

1:33:21enough filling out the pdfs you just

1:33:23because you know how those hard there to

1:33:24fill out right

1:33:25try to do that on your phone i right

1:33:28what do they want me to fax it back to

1:33:29him fuck you know I fight I I feel like

1:33:34I feel like my role in life and this is

1:33:39one of those this is one of those things

1:33:40I'm still trying to figure out maybe my

1:33:42duck is that I am i man appreciate her

1:33:47like I should be a judge I was going to

1:33:51say it seems to me you should be

1:33:52adjudicating yes yes you should be

1:33:54deciding who can get in

1:33:56you should be helping them curate create

1:33:57what they're gonna bring their oh my god

1:34:00you would be great on the Executive

1:34:01Board of of the Washington State Fair

1:34:03hobby hall a facilitator a judge and an

1:34:06appreciator chief appreciator uh-huh

1:34:08but but the thing is i would be a pretty

1:34:10harsh mistress right I'm gonna walk

1:34:11around and be like yeah alright Betty

1:34:14Boop lady up there are a lot of Betty

1:34:16Boop's here but give me the spirit of

1:34:18your collection give me the inner like

1:34:20how this a reality show waiting to

1:34:22happen

1:34:23I don't need idea don't need to know the

1:34:25theme because I know the theme it's

1:34:26everybody boop but like where what is

1:34:29special hear anything with three that

1:34:31are going to surprise me

1:34:33yeah where's the witches where's your

1:34:34first we all remember our first Betty

1:34:37Boop yes and then

1:34:39what was the which one was the one where

1:34:41you unleash the dragon

1:34:44where was the you know you got to the

1:34:46third when you get to the fourth one I

1:34:48don't think anybody gets one Betty Boop

1:34:49and says I'm you know what I love this

1:34:52little thing I see and I did I was

1:34:54somewhere out there is a carpenter's cup

1:34:55is the one that you found where you go

1:34:57o.o like this is haha this is the one

1:35:01and now i realize that i have become an

1:35:03insane person

1:35:07alright let me take you over your booth

1:35:10but