Roderick on the Line

Ep. 170: "The Wilder Universe"


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00:00:32   hello I John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:36   good [TS]

00:00:38   happy slightly belated birthday [TS]

00:00:41   oh thank you text you on the day but you [TS]

00:00:44   know you did [TS]

00:00:45   yeah how Janet birthday how did I have a [TS]

00:00:48   good birthday i'm sorry i'll take to a [TS]

00:00:50   good birthday I did I you know I'm not a [TS]

00:00:56   I'm not a big birthday celebrate ur but [TS]

00:01:00   I have a family but who care about you [TS]

00:01:04   so I'm obligated [TS]

00:01:05   yeah to allow them to celebrate me and [TS]

00:01:10   grudgingly celebrated so I do i submit [TS]

00:01:14   to being celebrated but I was you know I [TS]

00:01:18   was in Portland one of my one of my [TS]

00:01:20   favorite northwestern rivertown your [TS]

00:01:24   important portland oregon nice and there [TS]

00:01:29   and then there's in the middle of the [TS]

00:01:30   XOXO festival [TS]

00:01:32   how was that oh it was fun and I go to [TS]

00:01:35   that you did it [TS]

00:01:36   oh my god I totally did you did in fact [TS]

00:01:39   I saw you in person ate ramen with you [TS]

00:01:41   real life Merlin man i saw just a couple [TS]

00:01:45   of days ago [TS]

00:01:47   not only did I cmi pingdom boo couple of [TS]

00:01:51   times we had a high-level conversation [TS]

00:01:53   in a hotel lobby [TS]

00:01:55   we did we did we did have Robin we saw a [TS]

00:01:59   lot of internet people oh my god so many [TS]

00:02:02   internet people who us [TS]

00:02:05   I won't talk about that I'm so [TS]

00:02:06   overwhelmed a very nice man gave me a [TS]

00:02:08   very nice book stories who gave me a [TS]

00:02:14   book and you say he's a use a wonderful [TS]

00:02:18   fellow from baltimore he gave me a book [TS]

00:02:21   he said I thought that you would like [TS]

00:02:22   this book it was wrapped in brown paper [TS]

00:02:25   with type of the string like like he was [TS]

00:02:29   someone who knew how to do things right [TS]

00:02:32   when somebody has your packages wrapped [TS]

00:02:34   very nicely in brown paper you're like [TS]

00:02:36   oh you know how to do things i totally [TS]

00:02:40   agree i think if somebody gives you [TS]

00:02:41   something it should be wrapped in brown [TS]

00:02:42   paper probably with string because [TS]

00:02:44   nobody needs to know what's in there [TS]

00:02:46   you have an easy especially if it's a [TS]

00:02:48   gift you don't know what it is you know [TS]

00:02:50   you should be able to open that in your [TS]

00:02:51   repose that's exactly right and I was [TS]

00:02:54   sitting I was sitting later at a table [TS]

00:02:56   with the the armaments Marco and Tiffany [TS]

00:03:00   and with the biorhythms missed math love [TS]

00:03:05   that guy and a couple of Andy's various [TS]

00:03:10   Andy's 1 and e 1 and e in particular on [TS]

00:03:14   XOXO Andy and and I had this this [TS]

00:03:18   package wrapped with brown paper and [TS]

00:03:21   they were all speculating what it was [TS]

00:03:23   and I didn't have to reveal and then [TS]

00:03:26   there was some talk about like maybe he [TS]

00:03:28   just came with a with a book in a brown [TS]

00:03:30   paper wrapper and he was just waiting [TS]

00:03:32   for somebody to give it to and I said no [TS]

00:03:35   well or maybe there's a card in here [TS]

00:03:37   addressed to me with a nice note and [TS]

00:03:40   they're like probably not probably just [TS]

00:03:41   walked around with a book and then he he [TS]

00:03:44   figured out to give it to somebody [TS]

00:03:46   let's speculate you know you're under no [TS]

00:03:48   obligation to break the tension [TS]

00:03:50   yeah I said I guess you'll never know [TS]

00:03:52   but in fact there was a nice note [TS]

00:03:57   yeah the book is called so jesus i was i [TS]

00:04:02   I've been thinking about it all the last [TS]

00:04:05   day [TS]

00:04:07   it's called low freaking frag remember [TS]

00:04:12   it [TS]

00:04:12   yeah it's one of those book titles like [TS]

00:04:14   that down the street here there's a [TS]

00:04:16   railroad well there's a rail road here [TS]

00:04:20   in Seattle her sort of a famous one [TS]

00:04:23   Burlington Northern and they bought the [TS]

00:04:26   Santa Fe Railroad not very long ago [TS]

00:04:28   well a long time ago and now it's called [TS]

00:04:30   the Burlington Northern Santa Fe but [TS]

00:04:32   they have a system where they park their [TS]

00:04:34   locomotives way out by the airport then [TS]

00:04:38   they drive people to drive the engineers [TS]

00:04:41   and the brakeman in the I guess the old [TS]

00:04:43   shovelers they drive out there in vans [TS]

00:04:47   and the company that owns the Vans is [TS]

00:04:51   called something like transportation [TS]

00:04:56   company limited it looks like an FBI van [TS]

00:05:00   that and I'm like transportation company [TS]

00:05:04   is really only it's called professional [TS]

00:05:05   transportation items that sounds [TS]

00:05:07   completely made up and I was like that's [TS]

00:05:09   not real and I and I I i took the time [TS]

00:05:13   to google it like a professional [TS]

00:05:14   transportation inc really and it was [TS]

00:05:18   like / yes professional transportation [TS]

00:05:20   inc is really what it's called and it's [TS]

00:05:21   owned by it's a subsidiary of like a [TS]

00:05:25   company incorporated or like business [TS]

00:05:28   business enterprise incorporated I'm [TS]

00:05:31   just like this [TS]

00:05:33   the people that work for railroads need [TS]

00:05:35   to jazz up their game a little bit yeah [TS]

00:05:38   but this book that he gave me has a [TS]

00:05:40   similar title it's like systems design [TS]

00:05:46   systems [TS]

00:05:47   pink is it really big [TS]

00:05:50   it's a very big book is it design [TS]

00:05:52   patterns is it design patterns that the [TS]

00:05:55   name of the book let me design it for [TS]

00:05:58   somebody like a really really big book [TS]

00:06:00   about how you make spaces [TS]

00:06:02   it's a very big book about spaces might [TS]

00:06:08   be different patterns which is a very [TS]

00:06:09   good book but it's from its from the 786 [TS]

00:06:12   from the seventies it's probably is [TS]

00:06:14   probably a book called design patterns [TS]

00:06:16   it's really really famous you are [TS]

00:06:17   familiar with this but I have a copy of [TS]

00:06:19   it it's really as well as if it's the 1 [TS]

00:06:21   i'm thinking of its really it's like a [TS]

00:06:23   like a really simple looking cover and [TS]

00:06:25   Christopher Christopher forget him he's [TS]

00:06:27   the guy who invented the idea of design [TS]

00:06:29   patterns design patterns [TS]

00:06:30   yeah which are now huge in all kinds of [TS]

00:06:32   disciplines and it's a really really [TS]

00:06:34   interesting book because it's really [TS]

00:06:36   more evil you it's like reading a [TS]

00:06:37   cookbook you wouldn't read it it's all [TS]

00:06:39   the way through it's more like a [TS]

00:06:40   reference book and it's got things like [TS]

00:06:42   you know this place to sit by a window [TS]

00:06:44   like that's a pattern like you know [TS]

00:06:46   having these having closely grouped [TS]

00:06:48   houses with access to retail and things [TS]

00:06:53   like that it's all these ideas the [TS]

00:06:54   things that tend to work when we make [TS]

00:06:56   public and private places so you are [TS]

00:06:59   describing exactly what this book is but [TS]

00:07:01   i have just looked up the book design [TS]

00:07:03   patterns on the internet and that is a [TS]

00:07:07   book [TS]

00:07:07   subtitled elements of reusable [TS]

00:07:09   object-oriented software [TS]

00:07:12   well yes that and it does not look like [TS]

00:07:16   the book that i have Christopher [TS]

00:07:18   Alexander oh sorry to be a pattern [TS]

00:07:21   language foreign language now we're [TS]

00:07:23   talking about the book a pattern link so [TS]

00:07:26   its first hehe first use it to talk [TS]

00:07:28   about architecture and communities and [TS]

00:07:30   it's super interesting book and yes what [TS]

00:07:32   you're describing has been its today I [TS]

00:07:35   would say arguably more famous for its [TS]

00:07:37   use in software design [TS]

00:07:41   I mean roughly speaking of design [TS]

00:07:42   pattern i've heard it described as [TS]

00:07:44   designed a pattern is this a is method [TS]

00:07:48   that you know tends to work for in [TS]

00:07:51   certain contexts and then you also have [TS]

00:07:52   your anti-patterns right you ever use [TS]

00:07:54   that phrase anti-pattern an anti-pattern [TS]

00:07:57   is something that seems like it works [TS]

00:07:58   for seems like it would work but doesn't [TS]

00:08:00   actually work [TS]

00:08:01   oh there are so many of them all man [TS]

00:08:03   this book is good this you talk about [TS]

00:08:04   this is this is maybe one of the [TS]

00:08:05   original great thought technologies [TS]

00:08:07   it's really good well I'm just thumbing [TS]

00:08:09   through it I was like oh I'm very [TS]

00:08:10   interested in that I'm very interested [TS]

00:08:12   in that and i'm also very interested in [TS]

00:08:14   that so unless and really just for what [TS]

00:08:17   it's worth you might want to go check [TS]

00:08:17   that's a very costly book i received it [TS]

00:08:19   as a gift as well it's a very costly [TS]

00:08:21   book I'm i couldn't be more thrilled you [TS]

00:08:23   know I got I got another book while I [TS]

00:08:25   was down in portland now and I saw that [TS]

00:08:26   two very very thick have to go the [TS]

00:08:29   orange room or the purple room or the [TS]

00:08:30   Pearl room to pick it up [TS]

00:08:32   well so we were in the gold room for a [TS]

00:08:33   while the purple room is where where you [TS]

00:08:35   spent quite a bit of time I pretty sure [TS]

00:08:38   to where I'm going I picked up the book [TS]

00:08:40   somewhere and the pink pink we have to [TS]

00:08:43   go to IDC us top floor were only cranky [TS]

00:08:45   people work right that's right that's [TS]

00:08:47   right where the carpeting stopped and [TS]

00:08:49   then all of a sudden it was just metal [TS]

00:08:50   doors clanging that's one of my favorite [TS]

00:08:52   shel silverstein books for the carpet [TS]

00:08:55   and ok if you don't eat [TS]

00:08:58   oh oh yeah called brazilian lose them [TS]

00:09:02   uh you're gonna I think that is a book [TS]

00:09:05   that you don't oversell it but it's a [TS]

00:09:08   book he might find rather absorbing what [TS]

00:09:10   you know so I've been curating several [TS]

00:09:13   libraries as you know and the one I've [TS]

00:09:16   been spending the most time on recently [TS]

00:09:18   has been the library for [TS]

00:09:20   the downstairs bathroom oh wow and the [TS]

00:09:23   library on for the downstairs bathroom [TS]

00:09:25   now has sort of matured and I feel like [TS]

00:09:28   if you if you spend any time in the [TS]

00:09:32   downstairs bathroom at my house you are [TS]

00:09:33   going to find something that's the one [TS]

00:09:36   in the back by the kitchen that's what [TS]

00:09:38   that's one of the back by the kitchen [TS]

00:09:39   you're going to find something to engage [TS]

00:09:41   you and thrill you in the downstairs [TS]

00:09:45   bathroom library but i feel like that I [TS]

00:09:47   feel like that library is complete now [TS]

00:09:50   this this new set of books is definitely [TS]

00:09:56   like I'm afraid that they're both a [TS]

00:09:58   little too heady for the the night table [TS]

00:10:03   I think it's gonna be hard to sit up in [TS]

00:10:05   bed and read either one of these books [TS]

00:10:07   to the way six pounds and you know like [TS]

00:10:11   this is the this is the problem with [TS]

00:10:13   this kind of book right you know it's [TS]

00:10:14   not a thing that you read to put [TS]

00:10:16   yourself to sleep you have to state give [TS]

00:10:19   to stay focused you have to read them [TS]

00:10:22   with good posture who so i feel like its [TS]

00:10:26   back [TS]

00:10:26   these are both going to end up in the [TS]

00:10:27   kitchen library who this might be like [TS]

00:10:31   wow [TS]

00:10:32   while pasta is boiling the override are [TS]

00:10:34   sitting at the dining room table with [TS]

00:10:37   the with a mug of something you know [TS]

00:10:39   fall is here [TS]

00:10:41   mhm I was once i was i was actually with [TS]

00:10:43   tiff tiff tore my outfit apart [TS]

00:10:46   what oh yeah well first of all as you [TS]

00:10:48   know I was way overdressed in terms of [TS]

00:10:50   layers for all that was warm it was Jane [TS]

00:10:53   she she gave me a like a pretty serious [TS]

00:10:56   browbeating for wearing a penalty in [TS]

00:10:57   shirt was 84 and pointed out that my [TS]

00:10:59   clocks were made of suede and that's [TS]

00:11:01   actually a fall shoe [TS]

00:11:02   she's right about the suede Clark's but [TS]

00:11:05   i but I feel like later days coming on [TS]

00:11:08   what she doesn't understand about the [TS]

00:11:09   northwest is that the Pendleton shirt is [TS]

00:11:12   a year-round shirt because the wool [TS]

00:11:15   really breathe who and and we just where [TS]

00:11:19   the wall all year even when it's 92 an [TS]

00:11:21   executive assistant it's always there [TS]

00:11:23   yeah she's from the east coast they have [TS]

00:11:26   different ideas about things [TS]

00:11:27   Oh John have so many different ideas [TS]

00:11:29   about things there [TS]

00:11:30   you know what I mean like they are [TS]

00:11:32   probably what she probably has something [TS]

00:11:34   to say about ultra suede and I don't [TS]

00:11:36   even a know what ultrasuede is now and [TS]

00:11:39   be could not tell you a single time when [TS]

00:11:41   you are meant to wear ultrasuede is [TS]

00:11:43   ultra suede suede as pleather is the [TS]

00:11:46   leather I think you know my mom from [TS]

00:11:49   Ohio used to have all kinds of things to [TS]

00:11:51   say about ultra suede and I guess [TS]

00:11:54   to my eternal shame I tuned it all out [TS]

00:11:57   because now i don't i still don't know [TS]

00:11:59   what it is i think it is a manufactured [TS]

00:12:01   suede it sounds like a band from about [TS]

00:12:04   Oh wouldn't that have been a good to bad [TS]

00:12:06   about that other band name suede but [TS]

00:12:08   that doesn't dissuade most of you who [TS]

00:12:11   like to copy old band names including [TS]

00:12:14   bands in the northwest who have called [TS]

00:12:16   themselves western state huh [TS]

00:12:20   even though i already had a popular band [TS]

00:12:22   called me and said hurricane you you're [TS]

00:12:24   almost on the label [TS]

00:12:25   we're almost on a label there are bad [TS]

00:12:28   there's a band called a long winter [TS]

00:12:30   yeah and I think there are metal band i [TS]

00:12:33   know that that's long winters stare LOL [TS]

00:12:36   ok yeah cuz I used to find out we call [TS]

00:12:38   it the namespace pollution is to find it [TS]

00:12:40   difficult to find you and miss the [TS]

00:12:42   amongst many other Long's and winters's [TS]

00:12:44   yeah so long winters stare was actually [TS]

00:12:47   a fairly like a prog metal band or [TS]

00:12:50   something they were above a a viable [TS]

00:12:53   metal band for a time in mind but and we [TS]

00:12:57   may even have enough for a time we may [TS]

00:12:59   even have intruded on their space [TS]

00:13:01   because they may have pre-existed the [TS]

00:13:03   long winters [TS]

00:13:04   uh-huh so i may be on stick thin ice [TS]

00:13:07   here complaining about this this [TS]

00:13:11   pollution that you're talking about but [TS]

00:13:12   then later on another band some other [TS]

00:13:15   like dumb non-viable indie rock band [TS]

00:13:18   called themselves a long winter or and [TS]

00:13:23   that forced me forced me over to get a [TS]

00:13:27   copyright attorney and to register the [TS]

00:13:31   trademark the long winter which then a [TS]

00:13:37   cost me a lot of money be caused me to [TS]

00:13:40   have to deal with attorneys [TS]

00:13:41   yep [TS]

00:13:42   including copyright attorney is Jonathan [TS]

00:13:44   I could say it's it's a kind of meal [TS]

00:13:45   I've had copyrights it is costly does [TS]

00:13:48   take attorneys and then you gotta update [TS]

00:13:49   them and keep all they read made such a [TS]

00:13:51   bunch of baloney but this updating its [TS]

00:13:54   just like a the biggest deal of all like [TS]

00:13:56   well you've been pouring money into this [TS]

00:13:59   thing is it's one of those things it's [TS]

00:14:01   like my my late great friend Leslie Hart [TS]

00:14:03   police to say I don't like buying toys [TS]

00:14:04   for my toys in this case like I don't [TS]

00:14:06   have to buy phone and in a case and then [TS]

00:14:08   a cable and all that stuff [TS]

00:14:09   ultimate heels right and in this case [TS]

00:14:10   what is a copywriting a copyright thing [TS]

00:14:12   is something that enables you to have a [TS]

00:14:14   standing in costly lawsuits that you [TS]

00:14:16   can't afford that's right and saying [TS]

00:14:19   it's like it's like the cover fee after [TS]

00:14:21   15 years of paying these lawyers to [TS]

00:14:23   basically file a piece of paper that any [TS]

00:14:26   idiot could do but that I just didn't [TS]

00:14:29   want to do myself for that you know [TS]

00:14:31   maybe it's impossible to do [TS]

00:14:33   who knows doesn't seem like it should be [TS]

00:14:36   but they have the they have although [TS]

00:14:38   they have all that bad that Bank of [TS]

00:14:40   switches at that every lawyer has the [TS]

00:14:43   story and they can turn on the switch [TS]

00:14:45   and you can't that's how they make money [TS]

00:14:46   is they take something really [TS]

00:14:48   inconvenient nobody wants to do and they [TS]

00:14:50   have the the knowledge and scale to did [TS]

00:14:53   to do it for nickels charges a whole [TS]

00:14:55   bunch my god bless them but then I got a [TS]

00:14:59   registered letter from the estate [TS]

00:15:02   Laura Ingalls Wilder what who you may or [TS]

00:15:07   may not know wrote a book called a long [TS]

00:15:09   winter as part of her series of books [TS]

00:15:12   about life on the prayer houses prairies [TS]

00:15:15   littleness and they said oh oopsie Daisy [TS]

00:15:20   we forgot to copyright a long winter [TS]

00:15:23   because didn't occur to us because we're [TS]

00:15:28   her estate and who knows who we are [TS]

00:15:30   we're just a room full of lawyers to but [TS]

00:15:33   now we're thinking of developing a long [TS]

00:15:36   winter her less famous book about life [TS]

00:15:39   on the Prairie where did think about [TS]

00:15:42   developing it into some various products [TS]

00:15:44   maybe a movie maybe you know it's [TS]

00:15:47   working what sort of the marvel universe [TS]

00:15:49   except it's the Laurel angle wider [TS]

00:15:51   Wilders universe and we want to make [TS]

00:15:54   sure that we have the [TS]

00:15:55   sorry something imagine say we describe [TS]

00:15:58   the marvel universe of the DC universe [TS]

00:16:00   huh yeah that's right in there like and [TS]

00:16:03   they honestly said in this letter you [TS]

00:16:05   know we don't think that there will be [TS]

00:16:07   any confusion between a long winter and [TS]

00:16:11   the long winters so we're just hoping [TS]

00:16:15   that you won't mind as the cover over it [TS]

00:16:19   we just avoid any unpleasantness [TS]

00:16:21   that's right let's avoid any [TS]

00:16:23   unpleasantness what will it take for you [TS]

00:16:26   to not mind but then they proceeded to [TS]

00:16:31   list some of the other things that they [TS]

00:16:32   wanted to do is they were exploring the [TS]

00:16:34   the new a Wilder universe which was [TS]

00:16:36   maybe we'll do a Broadway show a long [TS]

00:16:40   winter [TS]

00:16:40   oh now it's like the Apple problem no [TS]

00:16:43   they get into music that's right and I'm [TS]

00:16:44   like whoa whoa whoa i was thinking about [TS]

00:16:47   doing a lower Broadway show what if i [TS]

00:16:49   wanted to do a Broadway show me tell you [TS]

00:16:51   Wilders and Engels is I'm thinking about [TS]

00:16:52   doing a lot of stuff that's right and [TS]

00:16:54   they were like what if we had a Broadway [TS]

00:16:56   show that had a sound track record what [TS]

00:16:59   if it was a musical set on the prairie [TS]

00:17:01   and so then my team of lawyers who had [TS]

00:17:05   been sitting dormant inside their [TS]

00:17:08   chrysalis their Christmas you know [TS]

00:17:12   struggle to open on stage and they [TS]

00:17:14   inside and they're trying to play the [TS]

00:17:16   baseball while but eventually they were [TS]

00:17:20   animated and said well if you listen the [TS]

00:17:24   state of of famous american author if [TS]

00:17:28   you want to use a long winter [TS]

00:17:31   you're gonna have to talk to us here [TS]

00:17:33   have to come through us you're going to [TS]

00:17:34   pay us some like fuck you amount of [TS]

00:17:37   money that's like getting a bodyguard [TS]

00:17:39   that picks fights [TS]

00:17:41   it's exactly what I want answers as a [TS]

00:17:43   man like everything's fine everything's [TS]

00:17:45   you know this does not need to be [TS]

00:17:46   complicated it's not this could this is [TS]

00:17:48   something you could settle with a couple [TS]

00:17:49   calls [TS]

00:17:50   yeah this is fine and you know she is a [TS]

00:17:52   beloved American author loved by people [TS]

00:17:55   everywhere I do not want i'm not the [TS]

00:17:58   thug in this story but I just I just got [TS]

00:18:01   the copyright for the band name because [TS]

00:18:03   of these dorks who decided to call their [TS]

00:18:06   band a long winter and I wanted to [TS]

00:18:08   to send them a letter that said hey shut [TS]

00:18:12   it down [TS]

00:18:13   dopes and now i am now I'm dealing with [TS]

00:18:18   the ghost of Laura Ingalls Wilder [TS]

00:18:20   suddenly here mr. / yeah and she and i [TS]

00:18:23   know i mean i presume that that estate [TS]

00:18:27   you know it's not like they have 500 [TS]

00:18:30   million dollars who write I don't even [TS]

00:18:32   think they have 50 million dollars [TS]

00:18:34   I would be surprised if they had five [TS]

00:18:36   million dollars she had got to be no way [TS]

00:18:40   I'm sorry her stuff came out here's 10 [TS]

00:18:42   the long winter novel came out in 1940 [TS]

00:18:45   so it's still in copyright still in [TS]

00:18:47   copyright i think yeah but i had the [TS]

00:18:50   trade markers all right you know who [TS]

00:18:52   knows he knows it's but they sought I [TS]

00:18:57   think they actually before they sent me [TS]

00:18:59   that letter they saw that I owned it and [TS]

00:19:02   went before a hearing officer of some [TS]

00:19:05   kind and said this isn't a problem right [TS]

00:19:08   we had this thing is he came along as [TS]

00:19:11   that thing this isn't this is an issue [TS]

00:19:12   and the hearing officer said actually it [TS]

00:19:15   is it is a story it could be or it could [TS]

00:19:18   be right [TS]

00:19:19   you don't already have the shirts [TS]

00:19:20   printed up right exactly who so they [TS]

00:19:23   came to me all with hat in hand because [TS]

00:19:26   already they had talked to somebody and [TS]

00:19:31   so my lawyers you know they all had they [TS]

00:19:36   looked up from their meal of raw meat [TS]

00:19:39   that they were having at some giant [TS]

00:19:42   table in new york city and they're like [TS]

00:19:46   she'll you know try and join them today [TS]

00:19:50   what should we do master I can find many [TS]

00:19:53   things and that was exactly right and [TS]

00:19:56   also my copyright lawyers were the only [TS]

00:19:58   lawyer I ever had and I've had appealed [TS]

00:20:00   lawyers including some that were [TS]

00:20:02   indicted in federal court but these were [TS]

00:20:05   the only lawyers i had that every time [TS]

00:20:08   they sent me a letter [TS]

00:20:10   they charged me three hundred dollars [TS]

00:20:13   they would send me a letter saying hey [TS]

00:20:15   uh we don't get reluctant to respond [TS]

00:20:20   it's time for us to send you a letter [TS]

00:20:21   again here is the response generates a [TS]

00:20:23   bill [TS]

00:20:24   yeah well so yeah exactly that I didn't [TS]

00:20:26   even it wasn't even a response i was [TS]

00:20:28   just sitting there minding my own [TS]

00:20:29   business and they were here is a letter [TS]

00:20:30   and then an invoice came three hundred [TS]

00:20:32   dollars because we said if any invoice [TS]

00:20:34   for free and I would yeah i would I each [TS]

00:20:37   time i would call them and yell and say [TS]

00:20:38   you can't charge me three hundred [TS]

00:20:39   dollars to send me a letter and they're [TS]

00:20:42   like oh well you know German if I'm [TS]

00:20:44   gonna send you up i'm gonna forward you [TS]

00:20:46   over the building you know I've back and [TS]

00:20:48   forth back and forth a couple of those [TS]

00:20:50   things i got them couple of times i got [TS]

00:20:52   that $300 credited to me but I'm sure [TS]

00:20:54   that they charged me somewhere else [TS]

00:20:56   anyway so they were like four up for the [TS]

00:21:00   low low price of 12 thousand dollars [TS]

00:21:03   worth of registered letters we can [TS]

00:21:05   probably get them to give you twenty [TS]

00:21:07   thousand dollars for the right i mean am [TS]

00:21:12   I wrong it seems like to me like no no [TS]

00:21:14   the thing is i have a preference you not [TS]

00:21:16   use the name and then if you agree to [TS]

00:21:18   the name for what sounds like a lot of [TS]

00:21:21   money in that case I mean what that [TS]

00:21:22   think it's really huge the lawyer see it [TS]

00:21:24   as a here's how we get paid thing you [TS]

00:21:26   see it more as they don't use my thing [TS]

00:21:27   thing [TS]

00:21:28   yeah right i wasn't i didn't like [TS]

00:21:29   register this trademark so i could so I [TS]

00:21:32   could squat on it and exploit people [TS]

00:21:35   like me haha it's probably gonna cost [TS]

00:21:38   you six hundred dollars to explain that [TS]

00:21:39   to your lawyer's well and the exactly [TS]

00:21:41   and this is the babies are all these [TS]

00:21:43   internet squatters a ride like the [TS]

00:21:45   domain squatters yeah that we used to [TS]

00:21:47   think that was a really low class thing [TS]

00:21:50   to do since squad on somebody's going [TS]

00:21:52   over you know the way they buy patent [TS]

00:21:54   portfolios and just wait for somebody to [TS]

00:21:55   get successful and then send him a text [TS]

00:21:57   and say by the way you you now OS this [TS]

00:22:00   amount of money plus feature profits [TS]

00:22:03   well listen let's be honest we are [TS]

00:22:04   podcasting right now which is a thing [TS]

00:22:06   that was invented by a guy and we owe [TS]

00:22:09   him probably hundreds of thousands of [TS]

00:22:11   dollars i think they finally kind of [TS]

00:22:14   mostly settled that that was a huge [TS]

00:22:16   thing and some of our friends received [TS]

00:22:19   letters about that balloon the idea and [TS]

00:22:22   anyway there's this american life about [TS]

00:22:24   patent [TS]

00:22:25   trolling that's amazing but yeah [TS]

00:22:26   basically these folks around do that [TS]

00:22:29   they they by other people's patents so [TS]

00:22:31   it's not even the people who like and of [TS]

00:22:33   course all the patent descriptions it's [TS]

00:22:34   a total shitshow like all the stuff [TS]

00:22:36   there's all kinds of stuff that has a [TS]

00:22:38   patent like hyperlinks have a patent [TS]

00:22:41   mhm like if you make a webpage for the [TS]

00:22:43   link on your supposed to pay somebody [TS]

00:22:44   alright feliz oh absolutely and I think [TS]

00:22:47   if memory serves there was one that was [TS]

00:22:50   the the patent that was being pursued on [TS]

00:22:52   podcast was so asinine that if you'd [TS]

00:22:56   ever heard or especially if you ever [TS]

00:22:57   made a podcast you look at that and go [TS]

00:22:59   that's not this it had to do with audio [TS]

00:23:01   books and was this idea from like the [TS]

00:23:03   eighties em I mean I hold the patent for [TS]

00:23:06   farting in a shot glass is ahead that [TS]

00:23:09   right that's a bit in your portfolio and [TS]

00:23:11   I think people are doing that all the [TS]

00:23:12   time and I'm not getting any money for [TS]

00:23:14   it i mean i've been to Germany I know [TS]

00:23:16   people are farting shot glasses [TS]

00:23:17   worldwide and getting a fuckin sent this [TS]

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00:24:49   supporting Roderick on the law so [TS]

00:24:51   suffice to say i eventually called these [TS]

00:24:55   lawyers and I said seasoned assists [TS]

00:24:58   I'm sorry I ever engaged in this is [TS]

00:25:01   Laura Ingalls Wilder's a state wants to [TS]

00:25:03   wants to make a Broadway musical based [TS]

00:25:08   on the long winter [TS]

00:25:09   first of all Godspeed like it's gonna be [TS]

00:25:14   a fuckin flop and that universe is not [TS]

00:25:17   real I mean they're just that's just a [TS]

00:25:20   rumor mill where is very big [TS]

00:25:23   our house is there a little that's a [TS]

00:25:27   team floor that's a room for lawyers [TS]

00:25:29   also farting and shot glasses right [TS]

00:25:32   coverage position sitting around like [TS]

00:25:35   huh [TS]

00:25:35   what can we do to justify how many [TS]

00:25:37   billable hours can we come up with here [TS]

00:25:39   like a we should go out and see if [TS]

00:25:42   anybody has any competing copyrights [TS]

00:25:44   with the increased with all of the books [TS]

00:25:46   that she wrote and then we can charge [TS]

00:25:47   the estate for all of these registered [TS]

00:25:49   letters so I said stop doing this and [TS]

00:25:52   then I I got a couple of our [TS]

00:25:53   three-hundred-dollar letters from member [TS]

00:25:55   and I said come by you know what I I i [TS]

00:26:01   feel like i have established myself as [TS]

00:26:03   the long winters and people know what it [TS]

00:26:04   is and if other enterprises intrude upon [TS]

00:26:09   that space let the chips fall where they [TS]

00:26:13   may [TS]

00:26:13   yeah I I'd I i do not want another [TS]

00:26:17   Remora attached to my soft white [TS]

00:26:20   underbelly [TS]

00:26:21   so go you know go take a flying fuck at [TS]

00:26:25   a rolling doughnut you lawyers and they [TS]

00:26:28   presumably did back in the chrysalis and [TS]

00:26:31   they're like move [TS]

00:26:34   they're suing somebody right now they [TS]

00:26:37   don't care about me kind of awful [TS]

00:26:39   business so anyway all by way of saying [TS]

00:26:44   if you actually know if you or anybody [TS]

00:26:47   else is interested in it was pursuing a [TS]

00:26:50   musical adaptation of the a little house [TS]

00:26:53   on the prairie universe it you may find [TS]

00:26:58   a ready audience somewhere [TS]

00:26:59   yeah careful this might come up in court [TS]

00:27:01   someday how the wild universe [TS]

00:27:06   no I had a funny a Portland thing what [TS]

00:27:13   happened to have fun important thing [TS]

00:27:14   that I was not witness to my ad a to UM [TS]

00:27:18   funny important things happen at the [TS]

00:27:20   airport yesterday [TS]

00:27:21   now let's just let's just preface this [TS]

00:27:23   by saying anymore a huge huge deal at [TS]

00:27:28   XOXO analysis that's not accurate you [TS]

00:27:30   are a massive massive star in this [TS]

00:27:32   environment [TS]

00:27:34   thank you here's what i will say is um [TS]

00:27:37   you know I I get overwhelmed sometimes [TS]

00:27:39   but like you know how I'm always [TS]

00:27:41   cracking wise and you know I think they [TS]

00:27:43   saw this several times even during our [TS]

00:27:45   just our time together at retail and [TS]

00:27:47   restaurants I'm always ready to leave [TS]

00:27:48   all the time [TS]

00:27:48   oh that's right I'm always very close to [TS]

00:27:50   leaving all the time or I'm always near [TS]

00:27:52   the door like a communist near the door [TS]

00:27:53   you know this about me 18 foot out the [TS]

00:27:55   door in this case I don't mean like [TS]

00:27:57   whatever but I i just i would mean this [TS]

00:28:01   as a way of telling a funny story and [TS]

00:28:02   it's not a bragging thing but it's a [TS]

00:28:03   really nice thing like when I walked up [TS]

00:28:06   to the venue to like get my badge and [TS]

00:28:09   you know there's I knew so many people i [TS]

00:28:12   standing in line I knew like four people [TS]

00:28:16   just standing in line [TS]

00:28:17   I got up to where you get the badges and [TS]

00:28:20   I go to the whatever k through c-section [TS]

00:28:23   and and the the guy [TS]

00:28:26   oh gosh what was his name you got a [TS]

00:28:28   photo with i took a photo of you with [TS]

00:28:29   him you know I such a nice guy and and [TS]

00:28:32   he was like he he he greets me with with [TS]

00:28:35   a catchphrase is like whoa you totally [TS]

00:28:37   know what my shows how are you gonna [TS]

00:28:39   introduce myself because i am this guy [TS]

00:28:40   from the internet and he's a volunteer [TS]

00:28:41   there is a really nice guy and one [TS]

00:28:43   standing there this guy walks up wearing [TS]

00:28:46   a rock on the line shirt and and I did I [TS]

00:28:47   just [TS]

00:28:48   nothing to learn from my friend John [TS]

00:28:48   Gruber you walk up to the guy gave him a [TS]

00:28:51   little pat and i said that is a really [TS]

00:28:52   handsome shirt and it goes all your mom [TS]

00:28:56   man i'm andy mcmillan the co-founder of [TS]

00:28:59   XOXO it's like you shitting me exactly [TS]

00:29:04   what should we go to stop the fighting [TS]

00:29:06   fires HR no no no he's not like that so [TS]

00:29:09   much but but he was wearing a runner on [TS]

00:29:10   the line shirt and I was like guys boner [TS]

00:29:12   town like oh my god you're totally [TS]

00:29:14   wearing that shirt that's so cool but [TS]

00:29:16   and then like I walked in and I swear to [TS]

00:29:18   god I don't think I got more than 10 or [TS]

00:29:20   15 paces in in half an hour because I [TS]

00:29:22   kept seeing so me this is not [TS]

00:29:24   recognizing Merlin think it's more like [TS]

00:29:26   oh my god there's like a uh well anyway [TS]

00:29:29   it doesn't matter who but like a bunch [TS]

00:29:31   of people that I have not seen in like [TS]

00:29:32   eight years it was incredible it was so [TS]

00:29:34   fun [TS]

00:29:34   yeah and that was that was that was all [TS]

00:29:36   the time and it has wonderful it was it [TS]

00:29:38   does get a little overwhelming but like [TS]

00:29:40   to just walk around it's like all these [TS]

00:29:41   I don't want to name drop but like just [TS]

00:29:43   a bunch of people that I had never met [TS]

00:29:44   before or people i had met or just known [TS]

00:29:47   on the internet for like 10 or 15 years [TS]

00:29:48   and that's you know that obviously the [TS]

00:29:51   programming for this thing is great it's [TS]

00:29:54   fantastic but it talk about a [TS]

00:29:56   high-quality crowd i think the phrase I [TS]

00:29:58   used was it's very extremely low level [TS]

00:30:01   of ding-a-lings at this thing like it is [TS]

00:30:03   some really really cool people and I i [TS]

00:30:06   loved it was I was amazing i had that [TS]

00:30:07   experience you know where they say of [TS]

00:30:10   course if you look around the room and [TS]

00:30:11   you can't figure out who the [TS]

00:30:13   ding-a-lings are that maybe you're the [TS]

00:30:15   dingle oh yeah right now I was like am I [TS]

00:30:17   the dingling oh yeah there's so there [TS]

00:30:20   are so few dealings here uh that I must [TS]

00:30:25   be getting old me and it was like and [TS]

00:30:27   then I kept seeing people who were there [TS]

00:30:28   that I that I didn't get a chance to [TS]

00:30:30   meet and awkwardly introduced myself to [TS]

00:30:33   but like you know the guy who you've [TS]

00:30:35   heard me talk about the show adventure [TS]

00:30:36   time the guy who makes it make created [TS]

00:30:38   adventure time was there always wanted [TS]

00:30:40   to meet him and ward was like there for [TS]

00:30:43   the second year in a row it's bananas i [TS]

00:30:45   meant to meet him last night i meant to [TS]

00:30:47   meet him this year you know your friend [TS]

00:30:48   John Gruber studiously avoided meeting [TS]

00:30:51   me i didn't see john and aimee until I [TS]

00:30:53   was in the airport and I walked down the [TS]

00:30:55   terminal the c-terminal flipping the [TS]

00:30:56   bird at the boats walking down the [TS]

00:30:58   airport they weren't we had a nice visit [TS]

00:31:00   business anyway so just enjoy the camper [TS]

00:31:03   outer Janet's John's to go and camp out [TS]

00:31:05   and like have people come to him [TS]

00:31:06   oh and that's not that's not how you [TS]

00:31:08   roll well that's what I should have done [TS]

00:31:10   things John Kruk John Gruber deserves [TS]

00:31:14   that I come to him and all come on no I [TS]

00:31:18   think I should go I think I should make [TS]

00:31:20   that approach you know I think I should [TS]

00:31:21   I should be the one that Walters over [TS]

00:31:23   while he camps [TS]

00:31:25   let's let's focus on getting you and [TS]

00:31:26   John syracuse together that's that's [TS]

00:31:28   something that needs to really happen [TS]

00:31:30   well I'm just you know I've I you know I [TS]

00:31:32   recently ran for office where I was [TS]

00:31:34   dressed down every day that you were [TS]

00:31:36   very diverting I didn't know by various [TS]

00:31:38   constituencies and let you know I like [TS]

00:31:40   on one hand I have a little bit of a [TS]

00:31:42   thick skin now but I just feel like John [TS]

00:31:44   group is going to pick from sorry John [TS]

00:31:46   siracusa has a very long list of things [TS]

00:31:48   that he wants to talk to me about [TS]

00:31:50   well I'm you know I'm worried I'm gonna [TS]

00:31:52   really get excoriated you know I'm not [TS]

00:31:55   gonna let the cat out of the bag but we [TS]

00:31:56   got something special coming [TS]

00:31:57   oh that's almost say about them what [TS]

00:31:59   happened at the airport [TS]

00:32:00   well I'll just close by saying that you [TS]

00:32:02   know it's it's it's so lame to sit [TS]

00:32:04   around and talk about something great [TS]

00:32:06   that happened that other people didn't [TS]

00:32:07   get to do [TS]

00:32:08   oh yeah I don't everybody you have no [TS]

00:32:09   but I just would like to say it was I [TS]

00:32:12   didn't go to that that that many events [TS]

00:32:14   i was there mostly for the people and to [TS]

00:32:16   do the one performance thing i did but [TS]

00:32:18   it was a it was really great and the [TS]

00:32:21   people who run that thing really care a [TS]

00:32:23   lot about every single person having a [TS]

00:32:26   really good and and safe time there so I [TS]

00:32:29   just wanted to salute the entire XOXO [TS]

00:32:32   but in the fullness of time I'd have to [TS]

00:32:33   fly back to my family which was really [TS]

00:32:35   keen to do and I'm at the airport so [TS]

00:32:39   excuse me [TS]

00:32:40   portland portland thing number two which [TS]

00:32:43   I mentioned on the tutor you don't see [TS]

00:32:44   if you're not following me right now I'm [TS]

00:32:46   not sure why don't follow you did like [TS]

00:32:48   months ago [TS]

00:32:48   no but I was at this isn't so thing [TS]

00:32:51   number two is that I'm in the terminal [TS]

00:32:54   and he knows of fives player in the sea [TS]

00:32:56   area there's like a personal place [TS]

00:32:58   Harper's person plays guitar and doing [TS]

00:33:00   the sea area there's a guy playing the [TS]

00:33:03   vibes [TS]

00:33:04   yeah i'm part of the Seattle music [TS]

00:33:05   Commission and we have made the SeaTac [TS]

00:33:08   Airport a safe place for bobs [TS]

00:33:11   you got a code of conduct so you can't [TS]

00:33:14   say anything whether your pro or anti [TS]

00:33:16   vibes whether you believe in God or not [TS]

00:33:18   believe in god it's a question of you [TS]

00:33:19   just you're not like stare at somebody's [TS]

00:33:21   fives are you can start them [TS]

00:33:23   appreciatively well what about this [TS]

00:33:26   should've I have a different color [TS]

00:33:27   lanyard [TS]

00:33:27   yeah it's gonna say that is that is that [TS]

00:33:29   a fungus a colored if the vibes have to [TS]

00:33:33   buy players wearing a red lanyard that [TS]

00:33:34   means no stare don't photograph the [TS]

00:33:37   vibes [TS]

00:33:37   did you enjoy the vibes well I've heard [TS]

00:33:41   the five player before because i was [TS]

00:33:42   important about a month ago in the the [TS]

00:33:44   fellow was also there and it's cool like [TS]

00:33:45   that guess they volunteer and then they [TS]

00:33:47   get tips [TS]

00:33:48   it's pretty cool but it's a lot of a [TS]

00:33:51   like Nutcracker like don't don't pump [TS]

00:33:55   but Blanca Blanca do which is like you [TS]

00:33:58   know it was a perfect thing to plan [TS]

00:33:59   vibes in an airport and then you hear a [TS]

00:34:01   little bit of a daughter or Python gob [TS]

00:34:04   which is one my favorite songs just a [TS]

00:34:06   joy of man's desiring and this goes on [TS]

00:34:08   and he plays a lot of classics and a lot [TS]

00:34:10   of kind of swing and jazz stuff [TS]

00:34:12   sure and then I'm sitting there sitting [TS]

00:34:15   there in here see don't intent intent on [TS]

00:34:21   down and then no no they're not Donna [TS]

00:34:25   he's playing needle in the hay migration [TS]

00:34:28   really exquisite a perfect [TS]

00:34:32   dolorous probably you know what's so [TS]

00:34:35   great about that song that song as quiet [TS]

00:34:36   as is it's so intense and so like it's [TS]

00:34:40   more intense than a lot of metal songs [TS]

00:34:41   just in that 44 like stroke on that song [TS]

00:34:44   and I was like I'm hearing this am I [TS]

00:34:46   having a stroke he was totally playing [TS]

00:34:48   needle in a hay like how many airports [TS]

00:34:50   gonna go to where somebody please [TS]

00:34:51   Annalise missing on vibes only one and I [TS]

00:34:54   when I went and I gave my five and I [TS]

00:34:56   said thank you very much for Gary's [TS]

00:34:57   girls it turns out turns out somebody [TS]

00:35:00   told me he played at the premiere of [TS]

00:35:03   heaven adores you the the pretty good [TS]

00:35:05   elliott smith movie and with it wasn't a [TS]

00:35:07   dry eye in the house [TS]

00:35:08   that's my second Portland experience was [TS]

00:35:11   pretty great [TS]

00:35:12   so the vibes uh so I i know of vibes [TS]

00:35:15   player here in Seattle uh actually our [TS]

00:35:17   good friend who has never listen to the [TS]

00:35:20   show Shawn Nelson data trip for a while [TS]

00:35:23   she was a she's a spectacular vibe [TS]

00:35:25   parents never listen to show at all [TS]

00:35:27   I can't imagine that you'd think he'd at [TS]

00:35:29   least as you have an internet listens [TS]

00:35:30   for references to him I don't think he [TS]

00:35:32   does have an intern I think I would know [TS]

00:35:34   he's never mentioned he's never [TS]

00:35:35   mentioned the not not crediting him for [TS]

00:35:37   all the great shows it may be that he [TS]

00:35:40   it's hard to know hard to plumb the [TS]

00:35:42   depths of Shawn Nelson he may listen to [TS]

00:35:44   every episode and I just never it's [TS]

00:35:48   never come up and just sit in a sit-in a [TS]

00:35:50   wingback chair clenching his fists and [TS]

00:35:53   wingback totes cable and and chewing [TS]

00:35:56   knowing on the energy and I was pipe is [TS]

00:35:59   meerschaum pipe but no I don't think [TS]

00:36:02   that he I don't think that he could [TS]

00:36:04   stand to listen to you and me talk like [TS]

00:36:07   we do but he didn't listen to two of [TS]

00:36:10   your ex-girlfriends have a show you like [TS]

00:36:12   you know what that's not for me [TS]

00:36:14   yeah that's not for me that's for others [TS]

00:36:16   rather people but i did i ever tell you [TS]

00:36:18   about my dad's vibes I wanna hear about [TS]

00:36:21   your dad i also want to also attend my [TS]

00:36:23   wife my story number one about whatever [TS]

00:36:25   i don't know let's go back to snows [TS]

00:36:27   really it's really fast and groupers I [TS]

00:36:29   don't want to do about it because it's [TS]

00:36:32   creepy but um I went to the security [TS]

00:36:35   line I can't say I i like the portland [TS]

00:36:37   airport that's pretty good story pretty [TS]

00:36:39   good ass airport [TS]

00:36:40   sometimes the TSA people they're super [TS]

00:36:43   nice and super helpful there's sometimes [TS]

00:36:44   a little too performing for my liking [TS]

00:36:47   mm and it's one of the airport is the is [TS]

00:36:49   like the Burbank Airport it so according [TS]

00:36:52   to something i heard announced over the [TS]

00:36:53   PA it was some kind of a phony-baloney [TS]

00:36:55   award a as an airport for my best [TS]

00:36:59   airport for travel and leisure this is [TS]

00:37:02   another thing i learned being on the [TS]

00:37:03   Seattle music Commission airports have [TS]

00:37:06   their own not i think there are multiple [TS]

00:37:09   airport awards so sure and and awarding [TS]

00:37:14   organizations like who's real who's who [TS]

00:37:17   among american high school students [TS]

00:37:19   really are great for get you to buy the [TS]

00:37:22   book got legends yoga nominated for [TS]

00:37:24   who's one of those elements that was [TS]

00:37:27   your lights down the dollar book that's [TS]

00:37:28   it my that's in my bathroom library the [TS]

00:37:31   zoo American high school students 1978 [TS]

00:37:35   anyway I felt it up too much but it was [TS]

00:37:37   just funny because i was in the line and [TS]

00:37:39   there's this one super loud woman I [TS]

00:37:41   think consider yourself extremely funny [TS]

00:37:43   sth goes good one and she's cracking [TS]

00:37:45   wise and she's like talking to people [TS]

00:37:47   and many fun [TS]

00:37:49   sure and i'm getting in the line and I [TS]

00:37:50   hear Carrie Brownstein Kerri Browns day [TS]

00:37:54   whoa and I turn and I see this wisp of a [TS]

00:37:57   woodland creature with a roller bag like [TS]

00:38:01   sprinting toward the screaming woman [TS]

00:38:03   taking a card out of her hand sink thank [TS]

00:38:05   you very much and then so basically [TS]

00:38:08   Carrie Brownstein had gone through tsa [TS]

00:38:10   pre and had left her driver's license [TS]

00:38:12   and this woman in Portland with somebody [TS]

00:38:16   who I have to guess it's kind of a [TS]

00:38:17   private cris start screaming Gary Brad [TS]

00:38:20   they are young and so the woodland [TS]

00:38:23   creature called oh my god she is so cute [TS]

00:38:26   she would fit in a vest pocket she is [TS]

00:38:28   she I personalized or I love later Kenny [TS]

00:38:30   i love i love Portlandia I just think [TS]

00:38:32   she's amazing and she's tearing ass to [TS]

00:38:36   get somewhere far away from where this [TS]

00:38:37   happened to you and the woman you're [TS]

00:38:39   killing Carrie Brad stain someone says [TS]

00:38:41   to her she was oh I didn't know oh of [TS]

00:38:46   course as you can imagine like half of [TS]

00:38:49   the people in line like strain their [TS]

00:38:51   next to turn right like right i mean so [TS]

00:38:54   I talked about a sighting [TS]

00:38:55   I mean if you're in portland want to see [TS]

00:38:57   Carrie Brownstein walking around it's [TS]

00:38:59   exactly what you want to see you look [TS]

00:39:00   nice she looks really nice [TS]

00:39:02   that's the second because I I knew that [TS]

00:39:04   she was there because turns turns out [TS]

00:39:08   turns out during XOXO festival uh the [TS]

00:39:13   internets Jesse thorn and Jordan Morris [TS]

00:39:17   of maximum fun of the the Jordan Jesse [TS]

00:39:22   sure they call it Jordan Jesse show the [TS]

00:39:24   just Jordan Jesse go go show jordan and [TS]

00:39:29   Jesse go [TS]

00:39:29   they were playing a show of their own [TS]

00:39:34   podcast in portland that same time that [TS]

00:39:38   we were there Alan was she guessed well [TS]

00:39:41   I don't can't imagine I don't know who [TS]

00:39:43   nose but I said that seems funny that [TS]

00:39:48   they were in portland at the same time [TS]

00:39:49   so i texted Jesse thorn I was like [TS]

00:39:52   really important he was like yes I am I [TS]

00:39:55   my flight has been delayed and i was now [TS]

00:40:00   i'm sitting at powell's books or [TS]

00:40:01   something like that and I said well I'm [TS]

00:40:02   not going to come over there to see you [TS]

00:40:03   if you didn't make any attempt to come [TS]

00:40:05   see me over but you should put all that [TS]

00:40:08   in a pamphlet some point just as I [TS]

00:40:09   thought yeah I said but go screw [TS]

00:40:11   yourself and also up your nose with a [TS]

00:40:14   rubber hose and he said well yeah that's [TS]

00:40:17   right and I said I you know I'm sitting [TS]

00:40:19   with some internet people who are fairly [TS]

00:40:24   prominent on the internet one of them [TS]

00:40:28   even has a pink iphone that I'm not [TS]

00:40:32   allowed to touch and Jesse thorn wrote [TS]

00:40:35   back and said last night I was hanging [TS]

00:40:37   out with carrie brownstein I i I'd like [TS]

00:40:41   to see some documentation of the house [TS]

00:40:43   that's exactly right i don't know [TS]

00:40:44   whether he was in the same theater area [TS]

00:40:47   of town with her whether they were [TS]

00:40:49   hanging out I don't know [TS]

00:40:50   mm I think he was hanging out with her [TS]

00:40:52   very much the same way that I was [TS]

00:40:53   hanging out with which we happened to be [TS]

00:40:55   in the same building [TS]

00:40:57   I don't know you know he's a he's a he's [TS]

00:40:59   a you know it's kind of a big deal so [TS]

00:41:03   anyway that's why I was my portland [TS]

00:41:05   story and and she seemed nice [TS]

00:41:09   every every impression I have of her is [TS]

00:41:11   that she's very nice [TS]

00:41:12   I there's a big guy interview with her a [TS]

00:41:14   few weeks ago maybe a couple months now [TS]

00:41:17   and I don't know she just she's very [TS]

00:41:19   thoughtful [TS]

00:41:19   yeah um yeah yeah yep smart and nice you [TS]

00:41:23   know it's it's a it's it's good to be [TS]

00:41:26   successful that's another thing that [TS]

00:41:28   that you know you don't have to [TS]

00:41:30   some people get successful and then [TS]

00:41:32   there then they turn into monsters [TS]

00:41:34   because they were always monsters [TS]

00:41:36   yeah it's always just inside all of this [TS]

00:41:39   John that's right but sometimes you get [TS]

00:41:42   to be successful and then you get to be [TS]

00:41:45   really nice because now you are able to [TS]

00:41:49   be nice [TS]

00:41:50   you don't have to be mean because you're [TS]

00:41:53   successful um just you can just wear it [TS]

00:41:55   with grace [TS]

00:41:55   it seems like she's in that count yeah [TS]

00:41:59   I'm kind of don't be surprised by [TS]

00:42:01   pleased to hear that how comfortable you [TS]

00:42:03   are spending time on purpose with [TS]

00:42:06   internet people [TS]

00:42:07   you seem like you really come a long way [TS]

00:42:08   with that I have well I realized at a [TS]

00:42:12   certain points [TS]

00:42:13   I don't know when but I realized that I [TS]

00:42:16   was sort of an Internet person i guess [TS]

00:42:20   people recognize me from the internet [TS]

00:42:23   yes of among other places I can't read I [TS]

00:42:27   can't fight it anymore i'm still not [TS]

00:42:30   allowed to touch the pink iphone but I [TS]

00:42:32   can sit around and talk about i mean [TS]

00:42:37   like for instance Marco sat next to me [TS]

00:42:40   and told me about his microphone [TS]

00:42:42   reviewing oh yeah he did a long set [TS]

00:42:45   series of reviews about microphones and [TS]

00:42:47   he did one on headphones and now he's [TS]

00:42:50   done one on microphones with a with a [TS]

00:42:52   bent toward helping podcasters who [TS]

00:42:55   famously don't know anything about how [TS]

00:42:56   things sound not to to get better at [TS]

00:42:58   choosing like it very opinionated but I [TS]

00:43:00   thought extremely useful and I've been [TS]

00:43:02   in the I've been in the pro audio [TS]

00:43:05   circles for many years and have a be [TS]

00:43:09   tested some very expensive microphones [TS]

00:43:13   some microphones that even the top [TS]

00:43:17   podcasters would never get their grubby [TS]

00:43:20   little hands near her microphones that [TS]

00:43:25   even Marc Maron couldn't have in his [TS]

00:43:29   even eat just a large marin even even [TS]

00:43:34   the guy that used to be the second [TS]

00:43:37   banana on the late night talk show host [TS]

00:43:40   where the shattering show champion [TS]

00:43:42   jumping on trampolines and bikinis who [TS]

00:43:44   even that ding-a-ling can't get it can't [TS]

00:43:47   get the mic [TS]

00:43:47   these are microphones these are these [TS]

00:43:51   are top should these are microphones [TS]

00:43:52   that costs more than a car hope's [TS]

00:43:54   diamonds of microphones these are [TS]

00:43:56   microphones built in pre-war Germany [TS]

00:43:59   oh man there are mics these are the [TS]

00:44:03   v-star that's exactly what they call [TS]

00:44:05   them they bring us i'm on my mark likes [TS]

00:44:08   these are the microphones that were [TS]

00:44:10   manufactured in Japan after the war to [TS]

00:44:14   be better than every other thing you [TS]

00:44:17   know Japan went through a long period [TS]

00:44:19   there where everything they made they [TS]

00:44:21   tried to make better than every other [TS]

00:44:22   thing and smaller and some of the well [TS]

00:44:24   these microphones are not smaller that's [TS]

00:44:26   one thing that they didn't get right [TS]

00:44:28   they made these microphones enormous i [TS]

00:44:31   have a baby those microphones and so I [TS]

00:44:32   was able to sit and talk to Marco about [TS]

00:44:34   microphones where I was coming from some [TS]

00:44:38   place of you know fair loves coming in [TS]

00:44:42   from a knowledgeable place and then I [TS]

00:44:44   said give me your opinion of my tone [TS]

00:44:47   Marco and he was uncomfortable he thinks [TS]

00:44:56   the sm7b is problematic because it takes [TS]

00:44:59   so much to drive it that you have noise [TS]

00:45:01   with it i still never heard the noise i [TS]

00:45:03   don't know what that noise is that he's [TS]

00:45:05   talking about he said two things one me [TS]

00:45:07   he has a he his noise floor he has a he [TS]

00:45:11   has a different standard of noise floor [TS]

00:45:13   he likes he likes it he likes the [TS]

00:45:15   background to be completely dark and [TS]

00:45:18   that we have a little too much noise for [TS]

00:45:20   his taste but what about the coughing no [TS]

00:45:23   he wonder you at some somehow he didn't [TS]

00:45:26   believe that my whole that what Mike off [TS]

00:45:27   button was was just to turn the mic 90 [TS]

00:45:30   degrees ago and then turn it back on [TS]

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00:47:00   the other thing he said was that he was [TS]

00:47:01   going to talk to you about rolling some [TS]

00:47:04   of the base off and that's a good idea [TS]

00:47:06   of me that maybe there's just a little [TS]

00:47:08   too much bass yeah yeah I i can do that [TS]

00:47:12   it's in GarageBand I don't think he even [TS]

00:47:14   has a copy of GarageBand probably yeah I [TS]

00:47:16   feel like and for me I feel like that [TS]

00:47:18   base is part of the appeal for some [TS]

00:47:20   people that that the the way why my [TS]

00:47:23   voice kind of reverberates not just in [TS]

00:47:25   their ear bones but down in their pelvic [TS]

00:47:28   bones i'm sure that's part of the reason [TS]

00:47:30   he was house huh and what they took off [TS]

00:47:33   the base and your voice might stop at [TS]

00:47:35   their abdomen and that's not far enough [TS]

00:47:37   you know I don't ever be just an idea up [TS]

00:47:39   here [TS]

00:47:39   yeah that's me yeah that's your that's [TS]

00:47:41   what I got this district that's your [TS]

00:47:44   domain automobile automobile counterfeit [TS]

00:47:47   money machine [TS]

00:47:49   oh hello hello America and all the ships [TS]

00:47:54   at sea [TS]

00:47:55   let's go press M times Goodwin get you [TS]

00:47:57   gonna go into my sinuses are message on [TS]

00:47:59   I have a lot of sinus problems right now [TS]

00:48:01   well you were travelling travelling [TS]

00:48:02   anything is between going to places with [TS]

00:48:05   air conditioning which I don't have [TS]

00:48:07   and I'm not around and being being in [TS]

00:48:10   the fart tube the far too will really [TS]

00:48:13   dry you out so i got a lot of typography [TS]

00:48:16   happening right now what's amazing about [TS]

00:48:17   these tech conferences is that they are [TS]

00:48:19   basically they they're basically a [TS]

00:48:22   events where an entire group of people [TS]

00:48:28   that just by definition do not travel or [TS]

00:48:32   do not know how to travel or do not like [TS]

00:48:33   traveling or going out [TS]

00:48:34   travel but but the unifying [TS]

00:48:37   characteristic is that they do not [TS]

00:48:38   travel well are all asked to gather in a [TS]

00:48:42   faraway place like everybody there was [TS]

00:48:45   like oh you know nobody knows how to [TS]

00:48:47   pack music is being around people [TS]

00:48:49   veterans of World War two [TS]

00:48:50   they're more likely to get on a plane [TS]

00:48:52   and some of these folks in the early [TS]

00:48:53   twenties [TS]

00:48:54   yeah yeah that's right and you can just [TS]

00:48:55   you can see it in their body language [TS]

00:48:57   they're just like now I'm standing in a [TS]

00:48:59   big field and surrounded by people and [TS]

00:49:02   there's no corner I can back into the I [TS]

00:49:05   don't have my special chair but still [TS]

00:49:10   everyone overcomes it and I'm sorry to [TS]

00:49:11   hear that you have sinus problem i'll be [TS]

00:49:13   alright [TS]

00:49:13   ok it was good as alaska airlines which [TS]

00:49:17   is a great airline I i was able to [TS]

00:49:20   upgrade from my seat in the back of the [TS]

00:49:24   fork tube into a seat like a row six [TS]

00:49:26   seat for sixteen dollars American mm [TS]

00:49:30   laughs does that you can upgrade used to [TS]

00:49:31   be time was you could upgrade to first [TS]

00:49:33   for like fifty bucks yeah now I don't [TS]

00:49:35   you can fly a lot but you fly first [TS]

00:49:37   class most places and that's that's that [TS]

00:49:39   starts around twelve hundred dollars [TS]

00:49:41   yeah i'll ask you used to have used to [TS]

00:49:44   have a lock on good times and as you [TS]

00:49:46   know sitting in the front of the plane [TS]

00:49:48   that means everyone else on the plane is [TS]

00:49:51   behind your fart orifice right let's go [TS]

00:49:55   backward [TS]

00:49:56   maybe you could license your shot glass [TS]

00:49:57   idea to the airline's em it could be [TS]

00:50:00   something like you know what version you [TS]

00:50:01   get the red you say oh I want some pop [TS]

00:50:04   chips and I want that weird salami box [TS]

00:50:06   and also give me fuck that give me a [TS]

00:50:08   shot glass like a fart in i'm wondering [TS]

00:50:10   whether at the back of a plane where all [TS]

00:50:13   of you know all of the farts are killer [TS]

00:50:17   accumulating and now presumably [TS]

00:50:19   condenser that if you think about the [TS]

00:50:21   physics and the movement of the plane [TS]

00:50:23   that would be entirely natural and that [TS]

00:50:25   usually maybe the planes at a slight [TS]

00:50:27   incline it just makes total all the [TS]

00:50:28   parts are gonna go to the back of the [TS]

00:50:29   plane reservations buttressed by the [TS]

00:50:31   fact that people are route literally [TS]

00:50:32   ruining that bathroom every couple [TS]

00:50:34   minutes back there [TS]

00:50:35   hello but trust ya but rest it creates a [TS]

00:50:38   day and physical parts inc [TS]

00:50:41   so here's my question to you right if we [TS]

00:50:43   understand that farts are actually do [TS]

00:50:46   have [TS]

00:50:47   up an element of particulates room to [TS]

00:50:50   get a valence and they gotta wait so how [TS]

00:50:54   many farts before you could actually [TS]

00:50:58   condense them down to something with [TS]

00:51:02   like two product like to make like a [TS]

00:51:06   puck comical how farts would you have to [TS]

00:51:09   accumulate and condensed before you [TS]

00:51:11   could make a puck and then what would [TS]

00:51:13   that puck be good for that's ever that's [TS]

00:51:15   a really good question i think the most [TS]

00:51:16   difficult part I think getting farts [TS]

00:51:19   first we're getting far it's not a [TS]

00:51:20   problem but then gathering them is the [TS]

00:51:23   secondary problem the primary problem is [TS]

00:51:25   how do you remove things like dander [TS]

00:51:26   from from from the fart collector would [TS]

00:51:29   you have a filtering unit right now iím [TS]

00:51:32   what it look like i don't know i think [TS]

00:51:34   it would be a kind of viscous light [TS]

00:51:37   brown not an orb exactly but like an [TS]

00:51:40   undulating egg shape [TS]

00:51:41   oh who it is because you're gonna say [TS]

00:51:44   that it has i see I always imagined that [TS]

00:51:46   it was like yeah what would get you [TS]

00:51:49   distill it down and it would be kind of [TS]

00:51:50   like a brick but you're saying you know [TS]

00:51:52   you're saying it's like a like like [TS]

00:51:54   water in zero gravity [TS]

00:51:56   like imagine a like a like a up a bit of [TS]

00:51:59   mercury that you could hold easily in [TS]

00:52:01   the palm of your hand except it's made [TS]

00:52:03   out of farts [TS]

00:52:04   mm I don't you want to hold it in your [TS]

00:52:06   hand we need to the right containment [TS]

00:52:08   facility for that [TS]

00:52:09   see I think about this a lot because [TS]

00:52:10   this is sort of an adjunct of supertrain [TS]

00:52:13   thinking that's called supertrain [TS]

00:52:16   thinking supertrain to point out who [TS]

00:52:19   where let's say you have a sports [TS]

00:52:21   stadium now that the fashion in sports [TS]

00:52:23   stadiums now is to is to destroy the [TS]

00:52:26   multimillion-dollar covered sports [TS]

00:52:27   stadium that your town built in the [TS]

00:52:29   seventies and eighties to wreck it and [TS]

00:52:33   rebuild a sports stadium that is open to [TS]

00:52:35   the air [TS]

00:52:36   yeah that looks old that looks old [TS]

00:52:38   old-timey you're right we did that here [TS]

00:52:40   in Seattle we had a perfectly fine [TS]

00:52:41   cement-like bunker that we tore down and [TS]

00:52:47   built to fake old open stadiums to [TS]

00:52:51   replace it but back when you had a back [TS]

00:52:55   we had a concrete domed sports stadium [TS]

00:52:59   where you had climate control [TS]

00:53:00   oh right how much like human moisture [TS]

00:53:04   could you and did they process and what [TS]

00:53:11   did it ultimately like why we not [TS]

00:53:14   collecting that and studying it like all [TS]

00:53:17   of the all of the moisture-laden breadth [TS]

00:53:21   of 50,000 sports fan that got all those [TS]

00:53:24   wet mouth [TS]

00:53:25   exhaling yeah and that and all that wet [TS]

00:53:28   air was sucked into some duct somewhere [TS]

00:53:31   and taken down to a basement room where [TS]

00:53:34   was condensed into what can I can only [TS]

00:53:37   imagine is like buckets and buckets of [TS]

00:53:40   like everyone's hopes and fear [TS]

00:53:43   yes and then and then in memories [TS]

00:53:46   because you're creating memories when [TS]

00:53:48   you're with your family watching sports [TS]

00:53:50   you're creating memories so like like an [TS]

00:53:52   old man's shirt there should certainly [TS]

00:53:53   be a way to to mind that to liberate the [TS]

00:53:56   memories and the moisture in some kind [TS]

00:53:58   of a containment facility also for [TS]

00:53:59   anyone who's having trouble imagining [TS]

00:54:00   this for thinking it's some kind of [TS]

00:54:01   sci-fi thing have you ever had a huge HD [TS]

00:54:04   humidifier in your house [TS]

00:54:06   hello I can say I've had a dehumidifier [TS]

00:54:07   my house and the EU bring this big thing [TS]

00:54:09   that used to be the size of a file [TS]

00:54:10   cabinet you bring your house a big coil [TS]

00:54:12   on the back and it would take the [TS]

00:54:14   moisture out of the air and then you [TS]

00:54:16   know what happened it would drip off the [TS]

00:54:18   little coils into a bucket [TS]

00:54:20   me after like a week of that or even a [TS]

00:54:22   couple days of that you cannot even [TS]

00:54:23   believe how much moisture is being [TS]

00:54:25   pulled and let me ask you this you're [TS]

00:54:27   walking around your home are you [TS]

00:54:28   noticing are you feeling moisture it's a [TS]

00:54:30   little muggy in here but you would never [TS]

00:54:32   guess that you could make a bucket just [TS]

00:54:34   imagine if you do that with hearts and [TS]

00:54:35   memories if you pulled all the parts in [TS]

00:54:37   memory first of all if you did it start [TS]

00:54:39   for stadium all those parts of memories [TS]

00:54:41   probably are four percent alcohol right [TS]

00:54:44   right and uh you know it seems to boil [TS]

00:54:47   off the water superset memories it and [TS]

00:54:51   it's the ppm the ppm level got 50,000 [TS]

00:54:54   people in there you probably got it [TS]

00:54:56   basically a dumpster of wet dumpster wet [TS]

00:55:02   member its of what memories and fears [TS]

00:55:04   right and what you just dump them into [TS]

00:55:06   the bay by that really seems like a [TS]

00:55:08   waste because if we learn anything from [TS]

00:55:10   if we learned anything from fury road is [TS]

00:55:12   that something you're going to [TS]

00:55:13   that water and you might even want the [TS]

00:55:14   memories if you absolutely want the [TS]

00:55:17   memories that is our patrimony right [TS]

00:55:20   that's like oh absolutely nobody reads [TS]

00:55:23   anymore John you know exactly you buy [TS]

00:55:26   you buy well yeah you buy garlic fries [TS]

00:55:29   you get garlic fries you get a hat you [TS]

00:55:30   get me get Shero but like you know how I [TS]

00:55:33   if you are going to remember that we [TS]

00:55:35   probably won't remember that but because [TS]

00:55:36   again [TS]

00:55:37   see also alcohol right but i'm thinking [TS]

00:55:39   you could get three-and-a-half ounces of [TS]

00:55:42   memories out of most sporting events [TS]

00:55:44   especially if it's baseball because [TS]

00:55:45   people have lots of memories about [TS]

00:55:46   baseball what are you talking about [TS]

00:55:47   three-and-a-half ounces per person [TS]

00:55:50   HT guy by volume our way up well they're [TS]

00:55:53   right right so we should really go to [TS]

00:55:56   the metric system speaking is that's [TS]

00:55:57   true so we should have a long time [TS]

00:55:59   without you're like the only country [TS]

00:56:00   that doesn't do you know what I tried I [TS]

00:56:01   made I did my part in the seventies it's [TS]

00:56:04   so hard to be the only person doing [TS]

00:56:06   something you're just sitting there like [TS]

00:56:08   I'm a little kid you've already tried to [TS]

00:56:10   you know you've already tried to like [TS]

00:56:12   change the world through little kids and [TS]

00:56:15   you Americans love to love 22 to John so [TS]

00:56:18   many more security filmstrips so many [TS]

00:56:20   filmstrips about the metric system [TS]

00:56:22   oh just forcing the kids and the kids [TS]

00:56:25   were like were there were ready 60km can [TS]

00:56:30   I please have to have nine centimeters [TS]

00:56:32   of red vines [TS]

00:56:33   yeah i would like to have one and a half [TS]

00:56:36   grams of of protein powder 7 750 [TS]

00:56:43   milliliters of liquor [TS]

00:56:45   please and thank you and then the adults [TS]

00:56:47   who were in charge you know what [TS]

00:56:49   happened we elected Reagan President and [TS]

00:56:52   the and reagan was elected president on [TS]

00:56:54   a platform of no metric system you know [TS]

00:56:56   what good luck trying to get Ronald [TS]

00:56:58   Reagan to even understand the mattress [TS]

00:57:00   he's probably when the suckers that's [TS]

00:57:01   constantly in the mental calculations [TS]

00:57:03   that's the wrong way to do the metric [TS]

00:57:04   system Reagan was using Imperial weights [TS]

00:57:07   is using you know the Scottish like x el [TS]

00:57:11   tio NE tom is today's yeah Tony's if [TS]

00:57:15   anything over 50 mega tone a bomb yeah [TS]

00:57:18   anyway you know and like he was [TS]

00:57:20   measuring distance in furlongs yeah you [TS]

00:57:23   know forget it [TS]

00:57:24   so we we missed our opportunity how [TS]

00:57:26   Ted's now that's right how many many [TS]

00:57:30   hogsheads and barrels of memories is it [TS]

00:57:33   going to take to get one aircraft [TS]

00:57:35   carrier that's those are the questions [TS]

00:57:37   he was asking and now we're anachronism [TS]

00:57:40   but we're the ones that are you know [TS]

00:57:41   we're the ones that are going to that [TS]

00:57:43   are building a manned mission to Mars [TS]

00:57:44   huh [TS]

00:57:45   so we're going to take inches and feet [TS]

00:57:47   to Mars and not going to be so confused [TS]

00:57:51   up there you imagine that can measure in [TS]

00:57:53   the Gracie that we're still using that [TS]

00:57:55   nonsense i mean i will be talking about [TS]

00:57:57   like you know cubits and you get there [TS]

00:58:01   I mean but the problem is that they're [TS]

00:58:02   measuring everything according to atomic [TS]

00:58:04   clocks who of their own device imagine a [TS]

00:58:08   lot of what we do seems pretty quick to [TS]

00:58:10   the grace so quaint because it's all [TS]

00:58:13   right there it's all written in the in [TS]

00:58:16   the fabric of the universe like it's [TS]

00:58:18   there's not the metric system isn't any [TS]

00:58:20   I mean I guess it is it's a little bit [TS]

00:58:22   more tied to the fabric of the universe [TS]

00:58:24   question and it's not just the distance [TS]

00:58:26   do you hear elbow and your middle finger [TS]

00:58:29   it's a little bit more gonna get the [TS]

00:58:31   memories though the memories part of [TS]

00:58:33   what would make the think it depends on [TS]

00:58:35   what you're going to use the memories [TS]

00:58:36   for the water obviously one has been [TS]

00:58:38   purified can be used for lots of [TS]

00:58:39   different things but part of what makes [TS]

00:58:41   the memory special is that they are [TS]

00:58:42   unique or at least differentiated is [TS]

00:58:45   should we make any attempt to keep them [TS]

00:58:47   in in silence by different type of [TS]

00:58:49   memory by age of memory the accuracy of [TS]

00:58:52   memory or does it just become part of [TS]

00:58:54   the same large emotional slurry know [TS]

00:58:57   their whole usefulness is it is it in [TS]

00:58:59   the ability to cross-reference them [TS]

00:59:01   right so if you're having if you're if [TS]

00:59:03   you want to if you want to access you [TS]

00:59:06   know somebody's memory bad memory of a [TS]

00:59:08   clown at a birthday party [TS]

00:59:10   yeah you know you can come out that what [TS]

00:59:12   will get 13 cut to the 23 of those a [TS]

00:59:15   typical baseball game absolutely oh my [TS]

00:59:17   god i have one [TS]

00:59:18   yeah right i would say i would i would [TS]

00:59:20   estimate there were 500 bad clown [TS]

00:59:22   memories at any at any birthday [TS]

00:59:24   I'm sorry any baseball game at 500 bad [TS]

00:59:27   clown memory cloud memories that that [TS]

00:59:30   rise up to level like that's a bad [TS]

00:59:31   memory [TS]

00:59:32   and I don't like like that's a bad club [TS]

00:59:34   right but you need to be able to get to [TS]

00:59:36   that by obviously you're going to you [TS]

00:59:38   want to search bad clowns but you're [TS]

00:59:39   also going to want to search bad [TS]

00:59:40   memories childhood memories you know [TS]

00:59:43   traumatic events right now is the circus [TS]

00:59:46   related memories [TS]

00:59:47   yep yeah and then you you're saying it's [TS]

00:59:49   a cross-reference there's there's like a [TS]

00:59:50   kalica implicit database that combines [TS]

00:59:54   all all the different clan member don't [TS]

00:59:56   have to be this is this is the promise [TS]

00:59:57   of the internet that we keep failing to [TS]

00:59:59   realize [TS]

00:59:59   realize [TS]

01:00:00   yeah like it's all its supposed to be [TS]

01:00:02   all there and and I'm i continue to be [TS]

01:00:05   astonished at how poorly so many people [TS]

01:00:09   search the internet it seems to me that [TS]

01:00:13   most things i want to find it takes two [TS]

01:00:18   or three stabs at most to figure out the [TS]

01:00:23   magic combination of words right that's [TS]

01:00:25   going to get the thing I'm looking for [TS]

01:00:27   in the top three search results and I [TS]

01:00:29   think I know why it's not because you [TS]

01:00:31   don't know what you're looking well it [TS]

01:00:33   may be partly you don't know what you're [TS]

01:00:34   looking for I think it mainly is that [TS]

01:00:35   the first search you do on something is [TS]

01:00:37   where you learn how the computer thinks [TS]

01:00:40   about that's exactly right [TS]

01:00:41   what words is the computer thinking who [TS]

01:00:44   because I you know I ask questions of [TS]

01:00:46   the computer in full sentences like you [TS]

01:00:49   do [TS]

01:00:50   that's adorable yes you would say what [TS]

01:00:54   is the weight in grams of an average [TS]

01:00:57   clown bad clown memory [TS]

01:00:59   absolutely i would type that in and then [TS]

01:01:01   I would you know the first set of search [TS]

01:01:04   results would be all like vape pens [TS]

01:01:08   uh-huh and I'd be like what is this [TS]

01:01:09   about why am i getting vape pen results [TS]

01:01:11   oh right [TS]

01:01:13   grams and clowns gram grams and clowns [TS]

01:01:18   sent me right to some juggalo drug [TS]

01:01:21   dealer sites and I was like fuck right [TS]

01:01:24   okay modified search you know and then [TS]

01:01:28   he he come at a different way like I'm [TS]

01:01:30   not actually it the salient point is not [TS]

01:01:33   the clown memories [TS]

01:01:34   specifically I want to get at this [TS]

01:01:36   through the memory like the weight of [TS]

01:01:40   memories for some reason and now I can't [TS]

01:01:42   stop thinking it was really creepy clown [TS]

01:01:44   vaping and just got like five times of [TS]

01:01:46   course right now your hands on a break [TS]

01:01:49   is he's not break sitting out back with [TS]

01:01:51   his head and then go like magnets how do [TS]

01:01:56   they work [TS]

01:01:57   i'm so baked so yeah but you know I try [TS]

01:02:02   to ask full sentences the computer [TS]

01:02:04   because I understand that the computer [TS]

01:02:05   is learning and you know if you want to [TS]

01:02:08   learn like good grammar and punctuation [TS]

01:02:09   that's right i wanted to learn to be [TS]

01:02:11   able to answer my question so the other [TS]

01:02:12   day [TS]

01:02:12   out so I had a nice experience in [TS]

01:02:14   portland i decided that i was going to [TS]

01:02:18   go up to the Alberta neighborhood which [TS]

01:02:22   i have watched evolved over that my 25 [TS]

01:02:25   years of going to portland from a street [TS]

01:02:27   that had nothing of interest on it to a [TS]

01:02:30   street that was you know being [TS]

01:02:32   rehabilitated and colonized and now it's [TS]

01:02:36   a street where there are bars and their [TS]

01:02:40   artisanal ice cream places and there are [TS]

01:02:43   places where they make handbags out of [TS]

01:02:45   sales and there are places where they [TS]

01:02:48   sell space pens and little books of [TS]

01:02:51   waterproof matches all a quadruple the [TS]

01:02:55   price of what they should be places [TS]

01:02:58   where that's all locally sourced it's [TS]

01:02:59   all locally sourced people places where [TS]

01:03:01   there was a there's a store where they [TS]

01:03:03   were selling simple lighters that were [TS]

01:03:04   carved out of wood which seemed to me to [TS]

01:03:07   be [TS]

01:03:07   haha that's a terrible and the wooden [TS]

01:03:10   lighter [TS]

01:03:10   yep ok dash wax and all this all the [TS]

01:03:14   above that's the hitch wax cases [TS]

01:03:16   mustache wax cases carrying look Karen [TS]

01:03:19   that mustache wax case box bags [TS]

01:03:23   yeah and then a lot of things that that [TS]

01:03:25   that like Seattle can't do this anymore [TS]

01:03:28   and San Francisco can't either which is [TS]

01:03:30   that there used to be a whole sub [TS]

01:03:32   economy for people who wanted to spend [TS]

01:03:35   all their time in thrift stores and they [TS]

01:03:36   could go pick stuff out of three stores [TS]

01:03:38   and then they could sell it for [TS]

01:03:40   instead of for two dollars they could [TS]

01:03:42   sell it for twenty dollars and open a [TS]

01:03:44   little store and just sell their vintage [TS]

01:03:46   stuff that they curated well now that a [TS]

01:03:49   typical storefront in San Francisco is [TS]

01:03:51   seventy thousand dollars a month and a [TS]

01:03:54   typical storefront in seattle is [TS]

01:03:55   seventeen thousand dollars a month you [TS]

01:03:58   can't have a store like that anywhere [TS]

01:04:00   but in portland you still can [TS]

01:04:03   you can still go pick up other people's [TS]

01:04:04   garbage Spaniard you know weekends at [TS]

01:04:08   garage sales and thence not even clean [TS]

01:04:11   it but just arrange an artfully in a [TS]

01:04:14   storefront on a cool street and sell it [TS]

01:04:18   for you know for thirty bucks instead of [TS]

01:04:20   13 and so there's still enough of those [TS]

01:04:22   that i was kind of one [TS]

01:04:24   around it and you know and I they make [TS]

01:04:26   me mad because they are all curated by [TS]

01:04:28   someone else and so their aesthetic is [TS]

01:04:30   always wrong huh [TS]

01:04:32   and the ship that they choose them that [TS]

01:04:34   they think is cool is not cool and then [TS]

01:04:37   I think I should have a store it would [TS]

01:04:38   be the coolest or the world and then I [TS]

01:04:40   start that I'm daydreaming and then I'm [TS]

01:04:42   imagining myself working at a store and [TS]

01:04:46   then I'm super depressed because I [TS]

01:04:48   realized that anytime you open a [TS]

01:04:49   business you're just giving yourself a [TS]

01:04:51   bad job you want to do it you wouldn't [TS]

01:04:54   take that as a job in somebody else's [TS]

01:04:56   store know why would you want to do it [TS]

01:04:57   on your own every friend that I've ever [TS]

01:04:59   had that's like I'm gonna open a cafe [TS]

01:05:01   I'm like really do you like working in a [TS]

01:05:03   cafe and they're like well no that's why [TS]

01:05:04   I'm gonna open one and I'm like well [TS]

01:05:06   you're giving yourself an 18 hour a day [TS]

01:05:08   job at a cafe the fact that you're the [TS]

01:05:11   owner doesn't change the fact that [TS]

01:05:12   you're working you're going to there [TS]

01:05:14   more than anybody else that you you are [TS]

01:05:16   the person that has to has to work there [TS]

01:05:18   anytime anybody else is sick but also a [TS]

01:05:22   normal shift every day and also at the [TS]

01:05:25   end of the day when it's not profitable [TS]

01:05:26   you are the one that cries so do not [TS]

01:05:30   open a business unless that is the best [TS]

01:05:33   job you ever had anything it shaking and [TS]

01:05:36   crying crying and vaping if that but so [TS]

01:05:38   I walk into one of these stories and I'm [TS]

01:05:40   looking around I'm like only got a bunch [TS]

01:05:42   of woolrich shirts and a bunch of you [TS]

01:05:45   know like timber land shoes that are all [TS]

01:05:49   pre-owned timberland shoes [TS]

01:05:51   come on those should go right in you [TS]

01:05:54   know the big the big but the the [TS]

01:05:58   technology now in in garbages to shred [TS]

01:06:01   the there's big have you seen those big [TS]

01:06:04   shredders real and washing machine into [TS]

01:06:06   it is not a shredder like a paper [TS]

01:06:09   shredder but it's almost like a toy [TS]

01:06:10   story 3 you make it into the benefits of [TS]

01:06:12   stuff they're like the size of it done [TS]

01:06:14   yeah right next is that you can just [TS]

01:06:16   throw you could throw you could throw a [TS]

01:06:18   Chrysler Imperial into it and it just [TS]

01:06:20   the shredder just just reduces it down [TS]

01:06:23   to confetti and that's where all used [TS]

01:06:25   timberland shoes should go i mean new [TS]

01:06:27   timberland shoes it's fine you getting [TS]

01:06:29   me anywhere that's fine but it once [TS]

01:06:30   they're used right into the shredder and [TS]

01:06:33   they should become a park bench [TS]

01:06:35   or some tarmac like that's what that [TS]

01:06:37   stuff is good for it there's not [TS]

01:06:39   something you should buy use so I'm [TS]

01:06:41   walking around the store and sneering at [TS]

01:06:43   it and then in the bag i see are a rack [TS]

01:06:47   of men's clothes where I see some [TS]

01:06:48   Pendleton shirts and I'm thinking about [TS]

01:06:50   Pendleton's because I just seen you [TS]

01:06:52   let's go see if there's any Pendleton [TS]

01:06:54   insurance for Merlin here I flip through [TS]

01:06:57   you know Pendleton there are a lot of [TS]

01:06:59   different kinds of pedals you i bought a [TS]

01:07:00   panel tonight like from like 15 feet [TS]

01:07:03   away the other day might look you don't [TS]

01:07:05   get a windows all the penalties twenty [TS]

01:07:07   percent off as i can tell just by [TS]

01:07:08   looking it didn't have the name on it [TS]

01:07:10   yeah I could see a Pendleton shirt from [TS]

01:07:11   a hundred and fifty yards away so I [TS]

01:07:13   could see a movie I can see a penalty [TS]

01:07:15   charge moving in a car on a guy that [TS]

01:07:18   also has a jacket on [TS]

01:07:19   I could tell you probably within 10 [TS]

01:07:22   years of of what of its era someday [TS]

01:07:26   you're gonna find the perfect job I [TS]

01:07:27   really someday my you know what I should [TS]

01:07:30   just be uploaded to the board and then [TS]

01:07:32   all of the knowledge I've acquired a [TS]

01:07:34   would find they would absolutely find a [TS]

01:07:36   use for your disparate but related [TS]

01:07:39   skills [TS]

01:07:40   hmm what would that be nice anyway my [TS]

01:07:42   dad alberta so I'm flipping through [TS]

01:07:45   these shirts and alberta looking at him [TS]

01:07:47   and I'm like me [TS]

01:07:48   no no no I've got an idea of the [TS]

01:07:50   Pendleton shirts that I'm gonna get for [TS]

01:07:52   you and these were not them and then I [TS]

01:07:54   see this fabric at the end of the racket [TS]

01:07:56   like what is well hello what is that and [TS]

01:07:58   i go and i find this suit and it is a [TS]

01:08:02   very very curious suit it's the one suit [TS]

01:08:07   in the entire store the one men's suit [TS]

01:08:09   and I'm thinking what is this day what [TS]

01:08:12   is this doing here and be like how did [TS]

01:08:13   this survive here and I take it and I [TS]

01:08:16   take immediately grab it and take it and [TS]

01:08:18   try it on and it fits me perfectly and [TS]

01:08:21   now I'm trying to I'm trying to discern [TS]

01:08:23   their note no visible tags I'm trying to [TS]

01:08:26   discern the suits the symptom him I'm [TS]

01:08:30   suit whispering to it rubbing my hands [TS]

01:08:32   on and I wanted to tell me its stories [TS]

01:08:35   what are your stories what are your [TS]

01:08:36   storage suit is not telling me any [TS]

01:08:38   stories i come out and and my friend [TS]

01:08:45   that I'm walking around with looking at [TS]

01:08:46   stuff looks at the suit and she says [TS]

01:08:48   it's an 80 suits and I said I think I [TS]

01:08:52   mean I know why you think it's an 80 [TS]

01:08:54   suit but the suits in the eighties it's [TS]

01:08:58   a kind of speckled wool suits in the [TS]

01:09:01   eighties were imitating a kind of [TS]

01:09:03   forties fifties suit and i think this is [TS]

01:09:07   one of those oh and she said now can't [TS]

01:09:11   be it's too nice its to its and two good [TS]

01:09:13   condition i was like i know but i but I [TS]

01:09:15   feel like there is but there's enough [TS]

01:09:19   about this its vibing me it's [TS]

01:09:22   reverberating that it's real truth lies [TS]

01:09:27   many decades ago and so i take this soon [TS]

01:09:30   i bring it home and fondling and I'm [TS]

01:09:33   some fucking with that I'm trying to [TS]

01:09:34   figure it out and I find sewn in the [TS]

01:09:38   pocket of one of those like unionmade [TS]

01:09:43   labels and I say there's gotta be a code [TS]

01:09:48   and i know there is but I've never taken [TS]

01:09:51   the time to figure out what the codes [TS]

01:09:52   are but I now I'm now I'm ready since [TS]

01:09:55   there's no other identifying marks on [TS]

01:09:58   the suit i'm ready to figure out I'm [TS]

01:09:59   ready to figure out the code of this [TS]

01:10:02   union label and so I go to the computer [TS]

01:10:05   machine and I asked some questions in [TS]

01:10:07   full sentences over and very quickly i [TS]

01:10:11   am at as you can imagine a specialist [TS]

01:10:15   site where nerds haberdashers basically [TS]

01:10:22   like any group of any group of nerds who [TS]

01:10:26   have decided that they are interested in [TS]

01:10:28   fashion which I which I believe it a [TS]

01:10:32   group of those are called a fedora [TS]

01:10:34   anytime you see a fedora of nerds you [TS]

01:10:39   know that they're probably sitting [TS]

01:10:40   around talking about their either all [TS]

01:10:43   wearing dusters [TS]

01:10:44   yeah or a you know or there were there [TS]

01:10:48   twirling their their handlebar mustaches [TS]

01:10:50   but so a fedora of nerds had been made a [TS]

01:10:53   website and it had all of the Union [TS]

01:10:57   labels that have never been so [TS]

01:10:59   second item of clothing and the chart [TS]

01:11:01   that's what you're looking for and I was [TS]

01:11:03   looking for and how to date things by [TS]

01:11:05   tiny little variations in these labels [TS]

01:11:09   like in 1948 the label changed but that [TS]

01:11:13   in 1961 that exact same label they added [TS]

01:11:17   a tiny little registered trademark [TS]

01:11:18   symbol down in the corner so if it has [TS]

01:11:21   the registered trademark symbol you know [TS]

01:11:22   it was manufactured after 1961 but if it [TS]

01:11:25   doesn't you know it was made between 48 [TS]

01:11:28   and 61 and that is what was true of this [TS]

01:11:30   suit and i was i was absolutely right it [TS]

01:11:34   was a it was a an old but somehow you [TS]

01:11:39   know meticulously cared for speckled [TS]

01:11:42   wool black suit that i got for thirty [TS]

01:11:46   bucks 35 bucks that's amazing up on [TS]

01:11:50   alberta and now what am I supposed to do [TS]

01:11:53   with that now here I am I got another [TS]

01:11:55   great thing [TS]

01:11:56   the world doesn't care everybody else is [TS]

01:11:58   wearing yoga pants and their their [TS]

01:12:01   parting shot glasses and not even paying [TS]

01:12:05   me my royal oh no oh boy oh so in the [TS]

01:12:10   end maybe you were actually more curious [TS]

01:12:15   about the provenance then having it as [TS]

01:12:19   menswear the thing is that I I feel like [TS]

01:12:21   I rescued that suit from that dumb store [TS]

01:12:25   full of used timberland boots and [TS]

01:12:27   woolrich jackets huh i found this thing [TS]

01:12:30   that was like a surprise a little prize [TS]

01:12:33   egg that was it was like a fabergé egg [TS]

01:12:35   that was in a store called eggs and such [TS]

01:12:39   and the people that own that were like [TS]

01:12:43   look a pretty egg we'll put it in our [TS]

01:12:45   eggs and such store and it's like no [TS]

01:12:47   fuck you this is a real thing [TS]

01:12:49   this doesn't belong here with you and [TS]

01:12:51   your wooden lighters this belongs with [TS]

01:12:54   me it belongs in in my curated [TS]

01:12:57   hermetically sealed a like menswear [TS]

01:13:02   closet of stuff that there is no [TS]

01:13:05   appropriate place to where [TS]

01:13:06   here's the thing you are one of the one [TS]

01:13:10   of the we had several interesting retail [TS]

01:13:12   experiences together i think one of the [TS]

01:13:14   interesting retail experiences we had [TS]

01:13:16   was there was what looked like kind of a [TS]

01:13:17   fancy shoe store a men's and ladies kind [TS]

01:13:20   of fancy shoe store [TS]

01:13:21   oh this was interesting and we went in [TS]

01:13:23   there and it's a very nice man i think [TS]

01:13:25   his name was jordan and he was very [TS]

01:13:27   enthusiastic and he asked the question [TS]

01:13:29   that for some reason lots of people ask [TS]

01:13:31   me lots of times is this your first time [TS]

01:13:32   here like a little bit about how ruth's [TS]

01:13:34   chris works like in this case he's like [TS]

01:13:36   that so many people ask me if this is my [TS]

01:13:38   first time there like there's something [TS]

01:13:40   I could do horribly run well we have [TS]

01:13:42   over by the bathrooms we have an [TS]

01:13:44   abattoir with a wheelchair on it you [TS]

01:13:45   don't want to go in there have you ever [TS]

01:13:47   been to a store before will let me tell [TS]

01:13:49   you this work we have various goods on [TS]

01:13:52   what we call shelves here so when [TS]

01:13:54   there's much shoes and the shoes but he [TS]

01:13:56   explained to us [TS]

01:13:58   yeah that this was actually the it's not [TS]

01:14:02   even really exactly a story its mother [TS]

01:14:04   showroom he explained that we could not [TS]

01:14:06   buy any shoes here you go on the [TS]

01:14:08   internet for that [TS]

01:14:08   yeah because just the place to see shoes [TS]

01:14:10   now now I just out of curiosity job with [TS]

01:14:13   those shoes from far away [TS]

01:14:14   um well it's funny the shoes were from [TS]

01:14:17   all over but was it a local company [TS]

01:14:19   kylie with local companies the company [TS]

01:14:22   was headquartered just a few miles [TS]

01:14:23   outside of 10 miles at a thai guard [TS]

01:14:25   Oregon it's locally sourced shoe [TS]

01:14:28   purchases shoes are from China but [TS]

01:14:30   there-there purchased not very far from [TS]

01:14:32   here [TS]

01:14:33   yeah and he pronounced i guard or Oregon [TS]

01:14:35   as Tiger now and I was like Tiger a [TS]

01:14:40   minute took me a second to realize like [TS]

01:14:42   and maybe this is a thing where I call a [TS]

01:14:44   thai garden it's really called Tiger all [TS]

01:14:46   I i get that they know an event like [TS]

01:14:47   XOXO is when you realize how many things [TS]

01:14:49   you pronounce wrong but ok so on the one [TS]

01:14:52   hand this is a very interesting idea [TS]

01:14:54   it's very sandy if you're already aware [TS]

01:14:56   of a tiger shoes darko like you it's [TS]

01:15:00   going to be nice to be able to go and [TS]

01:15:01   look at the goods in person if you've [TS]

01:15:03   never heard of her shoes co like it's [TS]

01:15:05   really want to walk into a place where [TS]

01:15:07   it's a bunch of shoes and some ipads [TS]

01:15:09   yeah and the idea is that you go in [TS]

01:15:11   there and then you can actually buy what [TS]

01:15:12   you will know delivered to show up at [TS]

01:15:15   your house so i guess i want to point [TS]

01:15:18   that was an interesting [TS]

01:15:19   I thought technology but is that the [TS]

01:15:21   kind of thing that could work for your [TS]

01:15:22   collection I feel like we return to this [TS]

01:15:24   maybe three times a year is how do we [TS]

01:15:27   curate what John has at one point you [TS]

01:15:29   talking about ebay another point i think [TS]

01:15:31   we have the idea of an assistant coming [TS]

01:15:33   in capturing some of your stories and [TS]

01:15:34   put them somewhere [TS]

01:15:35   is there anyway and the reason i mention [TS]

01:15:36   this is that you are [TS]

01:15:38   I if I may say becoming a little bit [TS]

01:15:40   more comfortable with even the idea of [TS]

01:15:42   internet people [TS]

01:15:43   somebody might be able to help you make [TS]

01:15:44   a site to curate your collection could [TS]

01:15:47   be a retail component could it be a [TS]

01:15:49   series of museums like subways we should [TS]

01:15:51   have a franchise John museums everywhere [TS]

01:15:53   we're like certain special items might [TS]

01:15:55   be available for viewing their well it's [TS]

01:15:57   so here here that the the challenges [TS]

01:15:59   that I have identified are really it's a [TS]

01:16:01   primary challenge catches that if I went [TS]

01:16:04   on etsy i could put up some things and [TS]

01:16:11   say here are some things i'm selling and [TS]

01:16:14   I hear the stories hear my stories every [TS]

01:16:20   one of these things every story hi [TS]

01:16:22   that's nice isn't it I think the story [TS]

01:16:24   about that here's the story of this [TS]

01:16:26   thing and i have i have researched the [TS]

01:16:29   story of some of these things but also a [TS]

01:16:31   lot of these garments have my own [TS]

01:16:34   stories I have done I have I have you [TS]

01:16:39   know I've watched the seat beams glitter [TS]

01:16:42   off of 10 Hauser gate in this shirt I [TS]

01:16:46   was wearing this shirt watching attack [TS]

01:16:49   ships burn off the shoulder of Orion and [TS]

01:16:54   so this shirt not only is a cool shirt [TS]

01:16:58   from the sixties but also i have filled [TS]

01:17:03   the shirt with my own crazy shit that I [TS]

01:17:06   want you to know about and you can buy [TS]

01:17:10   this shirt just because you think that [TS]

01:17:12   Gant is a cool menswear label for people [TS]

01:17:19   that like Ivy League preppy shit but [TS]

01:17:23   also there's this other element which is [TS]

01:17:26   that you're not just buying some dumb [TS]

01:17:28   shirt from from a guy like they're still [TS]

01:17:32   that happened I feel like you're buying [TS]

01:17:33   a shit you're buying a story and getting [TS]

01:17:37   a shirt that's right but problem with [TS]

01:17:39   etsy is that you price the thing and [TS]

01:17:45   when i go on etsy I feel like everything [TS]

01:17:46   is overpriced it's very rare [TS]

01:17:49   rarely do i see a thing where i'm like [TS]

01:17:51   oh that's the correct price of that item [TS]

01:17:53   so each crucifix made a pube seven [TS]

01:17:57   hundred dollars here's a high that seems [TS]

01:17:59   yet so you made this Eiffel Tower with [TS]

01:18:04   popsicle sticks and you think it's worth [TS]

01:18:06   nine hundred dollars you are wrong on [TS]

01:18:11   ebay it seems much more like the actual [TS]

01:18:15   proper price of things can be determined [TS]

01:18:18   but more than that the marketplace it's [TS]

01:18:20   a marketplace and as we know in America [TS]

01:18:23   the market is the highest moral order [TS]

01:18:26   and so the market will decide and if it [TS]

01:18:31   turns out that two guys who are members [TS]

01:18:35   of different for don't fedoras one guy [TS]

01:18:39   stories of the doors of nerds [TS]

01:18:41   yeah one guy who's a member of like some [TS]

01:18:43   new zealand fedora and one guy is a [TS]

01:18:46   member of some like Brighton fedora they [TS]

01:18:50   both decide that they want this [TS]

01:18:51   particular thing and they want to get up [TS]

01:18:54   to seven thousand dollars because [TS]

01:18:55   because they're both fans of rhetoric on [TS]

01:18:58   the line and they and they know for a [TS]

01:19:00   fact that i watch The Seagull click [TS]

01:19:02   beans glitter off Tannhauser gate in [TS]

01:19:06   that shirt then that's what the market [TS]

01:19:08   will bear em but I feel like putting the [TS]

01:19:11   stories attaching the stories to the to [TS]

01:19:16   the items within ebay is a violation of [TS]

01:19:19   the ebay unwritten terms of the ebay [TS]

01:19:25   unwritten terms are we're here slapping [TS]

01:19:29   stuff we're here trading we are [TS]

01:19:31   basically like a trading town the border [TS]

01:19:36   town [TS]

01:19:37   ok so in order to make it a marketplace [TS]

01:19:40   I mean take something like that get in [TS]

01:19:41   the slacker the kids trying to sell [TS]

01:19:44   Madonna pap smear right and so you could [TS]

01:19:47   sell a pap smear and maybe mention that [TS]

01:19:49   Madonna's involved but you would not be [TS]

01:19:50   primarily selling it as Madonna pap [TS]

01:19:52   smear like in your case the story is not [TS]

01:19:55   what's being sold it should be this good [TS]

01:19:56   that we could you could you can evaluate [TS]

01:19:58   versus another Gant shirt based on [TS]

01:20:01   quality and it actually that's the [TS]

01:20:04   criteria on even that this is against [TS]

01:20:07   shirt [TS]

01:20:08   how is it priced how does it compare to [TS]

01:20:10   these other games shirts ebay people do [TS]

01:20:12   not want to be bothered to wade through [TS]

01:20:16   like some guy talking about all the [TS]

01:20:19   shitties fuckin seen wearing this shirt [TS]

01:20:22   nobody gives a shit would just be like [TS]

01:20:24   what I i had searched I'd save search [TS]

01:20:27   term dance and now i'm reading [TS]

01:20:30   somebody's fucking blog [TS]

01:20:32   screw you and I think that it you know [TS]

01:20:34   within ebay of course he'd get some [TS]

01:20:36   you'd get some three star ratings or [TS]

01:20:39   something and then you'd be ejected from [TS]

01:20:41   the community and sent to a prison park [TS]

01:20:42   so do they have different private agents [TS]

01:20:50   to do that [TS]

01:20:51   take care of that form i'm sure what I [TS]

01:20:53   imagined there'd be a knock on my door [TS]

01:20:54   have to swear out a warrant [TS]

01:20:56   yeah they just be like listen you've [TS]

01:20:57   gotten too many three star reviews from [TS]

01:20:59   people that feel like you know but once [TS]

01:21:01   the one starts or1 States sing out a [TS]

01:21:04   heavily armed or of nerds [TS]

01:21:06   yeah they would one-star review of a [TS]

01:21:08   national park there i went ahead to [TS]

01:21:11   yellowstone in there were many bears [TS]

01:21:12   there one star is in their way that they [TS]

01:21:14   can make the Bears walk around more [TS]

01:21:15   yeah so how do i get the how do i get be [TS]

01:21:19   like crafts fair at an elementary school [TS]

01:21:24   where people are selling the garbage [TS]

01:21:29   that they made and boring the shit out [TS]

01:21:31   of you with their long stories vibe of [TS]

01:21:33   at sea with the let the market decide [TS]

01:21:37   what this thing is work right vibe of [TS]

01:21:41   ebay because i think that some of my [TS]

01:21:44   items there might be two nerds bidding [TS]

01:21:47   for it but [TS]

01:21:49   then there's there's something like [TS]

01:21:51   clothes nerd who doesn't even care about [TS]

01:21:55   the stores why it needs to be more of a [TS]

01:21:58   museum and less of a store because if [TS]

01:22:00   you want to even a garage sale and you [TS]

01:22:02   say oh how much of these uh pretty [TS]

01:22:04   fucked up looking souvenir spoons and [TS]

01:22:05   they go well actually i can't just tell [TS]

01:22:09   you the Yogi Bear spoon [TS]

01:22:10   it's these these are these are part of [TS]

01:22:12   my leg grab my grandmother had cancer [TS]

01:22:14   and what she has i inherited these [TS]

01:22:17   they've been very precious to us [TS]

01:22:19   instagram has cancer spoons so I can't [TS]

01:22:21   break up the cookbooks we can't break up [TS]

01:22:23   the collection I'm so worried that this [TS]

01:22:25   is me I'm so worried haha i just want [TS]

01:22:29   the yogi bear it's so weird this is be [TS]

01:22:32   no no no no no you don't wanted this [TS]

01:22:34   isn't just an eighties brooks brothers [TS]

01:22:36   shirt [TS]

01:22:36   this is the shirt that my dad wore when [TS]

01:22:39   he went into court to sue my mom its [TS]

01:22:43   custody [TS]

01:22:44   it's an airlift and they're just backing [TS]

01:22:47   out of the room and see if your lawyers [TS]

01:22:49   want to buy it [TS]

01:22:50   well you know what i should give them [TS]

01:22:52   each a parting gift one brooks brothers [TS]

01:22:54   shirt and then they bail for and then [TS]

01:22:57   today it's about 33 dollar bill for [TS]

01:22:59   opening the package so i do i need to [TS]

01:23:03   find I feel like they're I feel like [TS]

01:23:07   there are so many people out there that [TS]

01:23:09   can help us and it just as we have [TS]

01:23:12   helped them but how do you put this is [TS]

01:23:15   that this is this is the job the [TS]

01:23:17   matchmaking service that somebody needs [TS]

01:23:20   to come up with it's an app it's an app [TS]

01:23:23   that comes pre-loaded on your pink [TS]

01:23:25   iphone 6s that connects the underused [TS]

01:23:33   nerd to the person who desperately needs [TS]

01:23:37   the one nerdy skill all right right like [TS]

01:23:41   how who is the who is the video editor [TS]

01:23:44   who needs to get paired with the person [TS]

01:23:48   that has right it's a gallon hours and [TS]

01:23:50   foot and match.com meets careerbuilder [TS]

01:23:53   meets history and religion future [TS]

01:23:55   history right because here's the thing [TS]

01:23:57   also is when you say something like oh [TS]

01:23:58   yeah well here's this here's the thing [TS]

01:24:00   that I got in nineteen eighty that was [TS]

01:24:01   already 20 years [TS]

01:24:02   old and then I worked for 25 years and [TS]

01:24:05   not somebody else is gonna wear after [TS]

01:24:06   that it's about provenance yep and the [TS]

01:24:09   thing is that if i put something on a [TS]

01:24:10   hanger and put a price tag on it at my [TS]

01:24:14   store and the person comes up is like [TS]

01:24:16   I'd like to buy this pink shirt no you [TS]

01:24:18   know funny story I saw ed become the new [TS]

01:24:22   bohemians in that shirt but an [TS]

01:24:24   eighty-five percent chance that the [TS]

01:24:26   person's going to put it back on the [TS]

01:24:27   rack and run out of the store like they [TS]

01:24:29   don't want that [TS]

01:24:30   that's too personal but there is someone [TS]

01:24:33   in the world that once the shirt that I [TS]

01:24:35   saw a zebra telling the New Bohemians [TS]

01:24:36   and other side question about it might [TS]

01:24:38   even be easy bruh kill herself [TS]

01:24:40   are you what you are like yeah so who do [TS]

01:24:42   i do we find how do we how do we match [TS]

01:24:44   the thing with the story to the person [TS]

01:24:47   that once other so many levels to this i [TS]

01:24:49   mean i said before you need a master's [TS]

01:24:51   thesis about you and I mean that there's [TS]

01:24:52   got there so many levels to this giants [TS]

01:24:55   about emerging technologies and personal [TS]

01:24:56   histories and farts and memories and [TS]

01:24:58   baseball stadiums and family and in [TS]

01:25:00   spoons and cancer it's about everything [TS]

01:25:03   thank you well and a lot of you know a [TS]

01:25:05   lot of people are listening and they're [TS]

01:25:06   like well maybe I do want one of these [TS]

01:25:07   shirts i didn't know that I did until [TS]

01:25:09   until now I didn't realize I definitely [TS]

01:25:11   didn't want it until you mentioned it to [TS]

01:25:15   become the new bohemians but now i do [TS]

01:25:16   but i am not a giant man i do not need a [TS]

01:25:20   shirt with a 17 and a half inch neck and [TS]

01:25:23   to them I say you were sleeping sure do [TS]

01:25:27   you want to sleeping shirt that smells a [TS]

01:25:28   little bit like me and a little bit like [TS]

01:25:31   youtube account a lot less like youtuber [TS]

01:25:34   Kelvin me but still collecting patchouli [TS]

01:25:37   and hoagies still still yeah do you want [TS]

01:25:40   to do you ensure that you want to strip [TS]

01:25:42   it smells a little bit like a meatball [TS]

01:25:43   sandwich and a lemon and a little bit [TS]

01:25:46   like someone's burning sage Chompy in [TS]

01:25:48   the shallow water before I get too deep [TS]

01:25:51   never stop you there Oh [TS]