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0:00:32hello hi John hi Marilyn

0:00:35how's it going good I there was a storm

0:00:42up here in Washington and I left my

0:00:47office windows open a crack and the

0:00:52storm opened them up all the way and

0:00:58fill the room with storm

0:01:00oh no they appreciate perimeter yeah so

0:01:04everything is covered with a fine layer

0:01:07of ash and amazingly like the ceiling is

0:01:14suddenly peeling I don't know how it got

0:01:17up to the ceiling

0:01:18sure this isn't a dream ahead and the

0:01:21curtains were all askew and it was very

0:01:24exciting to because I saw when I pulled

0:01:26up I saw that the windows were all the

0:01:29way open and I was like who's been in my

0:01:32office opening the windows and then I

0:01:33came in and I was like oh the storm was

0:01:36in my office and non rainstorms a

0:01:38windstorm yeah we get those in the

0:01:41northwest quite quite a bit and when the

0:01:43seasons change we get a big windstorm

0:01:45and so it they are accompanied by rain

0:01:49often and and this one was but but my

0:01:51sense is that it's mostly wind that got

0:01:55in here and and did its dirty business

0:01:59oh my gosh that's ash from all the fires

0:02:01huh who knows where the where the lip

0:02:04the thin coating of greasy ash came from

0:02:07but yeah so like living it up on its

0:02:10like something so like living in a bomb

0:02:15travis has resin dude yeah except

0:02:18there's no like there's no water bug

0:02:20where's the carb where's the car where

0:02:23is the car John I told you the story

0:02:25right about the friend of mine from

0:02:27Florida that that woke up and took a big

0:02:29hit off his bong and then realize that

0:02:31then a a water bug had been hanging out

0:02:35of his bond was now in his mouth

0:02:37oh one of those flying Florida

0:02:40cockroaches this is

0:02:41size of a tennis shoe but imagine you

0:02:44just like our little wake and bake

0:02:47oh no do it was alive when a hole dude

0:02:52it was so live we so hard from living in

0:02:56a ball you that must have harsh mellow

0:02:58dude he was just chillin in his bong an

0:03:01office and he's like oh no wow oh my god

0:03:07totally in your mouth could be on

0:03:11oh do you need to do any kind of I don't

0:03:14know like regulation damage control with

0:03:17you what you just scrape it off your

0:03:19stuff but either so I cleared a little

0:03:21area right here for my elbow anywhere

0:03:26you want a blazer right now

0:03:27no I'm not today you know in fact I've

0:03:29already have already encountered one

0:03:31person today who made a comment my good

0:03:34friend Jason Finn saw me and he said so

0:03:39I you've just let yourself go to shit

0:03:43now you don't you're not even wearing a

0:03:45button button up shirt 20 supporter

0:03:47always a supporter to t know blazer no

0:03:49no tie

0:03:50now you're just in a t-shirt and jeans

0:03:53and I was like you know what fuck it

0:03:55seasons changing before I got nobody to

0:03:57impress anymore i took a shower today

0:03:59the only reason I took a shower is that

0:04:01my family including my darling daughter

0:04:04had started to comment that Daddy smell

0:04:07funny

0:04:08oh because i had just let myself just go

0:04:11to hell over the weekend and I was like

0:04:14all right fine I'll take a shower

0:04:16I'm not above it uh-huh but I'm not

0:04:17gonna put I'm not you know more and

0:04:19white socks today i'm not i'm not

0:04:21dressing up for anybody anymore

0:04:23well it's not labor day yet true that's

0:04:26right you can still wear white socks

0:04:27Johnny said only I feel like there's you

0:04:30got Memorial Day and Labor Day and those

0:04:32sort of book and the it's okay to wear

0:04:34in formal clothes and white shoes are

0:04:36there other days in the year to change

0:04:38which are allowed to wear em good point

0:04:41our good question i think that there are

0:04:43there's a limited number of time number

0:04:45number number of weeks in the year that

0:04:47you can wear any item of clothing that

0:04:50has a wreath or a reindeer on it

0:04:53right so you have you start doing that

0:04:56before I mean personally I feel like

0:04:58thanksgiving is is the day before which

0:05:02you should not wear or have anything to

0:05:05do with the reindeer it's gonna seem

0:05:06like the washer broke

0:05:08yeah right exactly if it it's a lot

0:05:10that's a laundry date I peril

0:05:12I feel like if it's before thanksgiving

0:05:15and a reindeer comes up to you on the

0:05:17street and tells you that his fan belt

0:05:19broke and his wife and daughter are

0:05:21waiting in the car around the block and

0:05:22all he needs is five dollars you tell

0:05:23him to fuck off before before

0:05:25Thanksgiving after thanksgiving you go

0:05:27yeah okay I'll up i'll buy white part of

0:05:31the holiday spirit

0:05:33yeah the reindeer out so that's that's

0:05:35one thing

0:05:37definitely I feel like you know I'm

0:05:42saying about this the other day in my

0:05:44mind's eye on sep tember first of the

0:05:49year and i don't mean the calendar i

0:05:50mean the year as the year occupies

0:05:52physical space the year takes a right

0:05:55turn a 90-degree right turn September

0:05:59first and the implication of that right

0:06:03turn in my mind's eye is that the year

0:06:06is square and that every four months it

0:06:12takes another right turn

0:06:13but that is not actually how the year is

0:06:17built the rectangular year

0:06:19well no I mean for oh I'm sorry every

0:06:23three years every three years it would

0:06:25take a right turn

0:06:26I'm sorry every three months what am I

0:06:28talking about every three months

0:06:29you are so high right now that's pretty

0:06:32high the timer october november december

0:06:35so it's the last third of the year it's

0:06:38like you turn the corner on a triangle

0:06:40that right well so but here's the

0:06:43problem

0:06:43there's definitely a right-angle turn

0:06:46September from August August your head

0:06:49along in an east-west direction and then

0:06:52September first you take a right hand

0:06:55turn 90 degree turn and now you are

0:06:58headed in my mind's eye

0:07:00you're headed south into fall

0:07:05and then you get in you're headed south

0:07:08into fall and and you know and maybe a

0:07:10little bit downhill but then sort of

0:07:12after thanksgiving you start to go

0:07:14uphill and then christmas is there and

0:07:18then at New Year's you definitely take

0:07:20another 90 degree right hand turn now

0:07:23headed west into the new year right but

0:07:29then somewhere in january-february you

0:07:35start to edge to the right you're not

0:07:39taking a right hand turn but you heading

0:07:41right you're you're veering right into

0:07:44march april and that's kind of a rounded

0:07:48turn where you're headed

0:07:51you know you're headed north again but

0:07:53in a little bit of a you know it's a

0:07:55little bumpy the ride but definitely

0:07:57bye-bye may you're headed north

0:08:02you're heading in a northerly direction

0:08:04and then in June there's a kind of an

0:08:10it's not a it's not a gradual turn it's

0:08:12an angled turn it can and i cannot to

0:08:15stern like an obtuse turn nice easy turn

0:08:19they're definitely headed north at this

0:08:21point but you're headed in a kind of at

0:08:23an angle so that when you get to july

0:08:26again you have to you have to like comp

0:08:30the rest of that turn if you're going to

0:08:33make it to that if you're going to make

0:08:35it back to sep tember so july and august

0:08:38are headed

0:08:39I think kind of in a I mean that through

0:08:42a series of minor turns they have to end

0:08:45up headed back east but it's very funny

0:08:49that the spring and summer is a series

0:08:51of gradual angled turns whereas spall

0:08:55and winter are are defined by these two

0:08:58right angle turn I should have been

0:09:02drawing this instead of just strictly

0:09:04listening

0:09:05yeah its contents maybe they could draw

0:09:07that up for us and I feel like somewhere

0:09:09in the shape of the year the shape of

0:09:12the year and feeling februari March

0:09:13there might actually be turns that are

0:09:16kind of back to the west a little bit

0:09:18like

0:09:18it's not it's not clear that it's always

0:09:20rounding back to september's some of

0:09:23that some of those weeks like right

0:09:26around him especially around it leap

0:09:27year you know you're going uphill and to

0:09:31the west babies that a third dimension

0:09:35you know before your like before you

0:09:36level off and head start headed down

0:09:39into the North back into spring so there

0:09:44are several days in there where I feel

0:09:47like costume changes are maybe not

0:09:50mandatory but but certainly new things

0:09:54come into play because I'm wearing a

0:09:56tweed hat today and I feel like it looks

0:10:00good on you

0:10:01I feel like that is pushing it for for

0:10:03august 31st it seemed more like i like i

0:10:06like i like fall headgear

0:10:08yeah I feel like I feel like a tweed hat

0:10:10is is it you shouldn't even wear it in

0:10:13September I feel like it's an october

0:10:14november december thing yep

0:10:17yeah but then in by December you should

0:10:20be he should be transitioning into a

0:10:22kind of a fur hat or a knit hat over and

0:10:27then in the spring

0:10:28you're going back you gradually as time

0:10:32goes on from from knit caps to kind of

0:10:34you know 22 whimsical hats like an era

0:10:40the head type thing

0:10:42well no I mean I do have a baseball app

0:10:44that has moved moose antlers all I want

0:10:47this so much when I was in like seventh

0:10:48grade and that's when I got it and i've

0:10:50been wearing it ever since

0:10:51but you know like you that's when you

0:10:53start to wear your chapeau your various

0:10:56Shippo your newsboy cap and your and

0:10:59your you know your felt fedora type pats

0:11:04something jaunty in the spring

0:11:06whoo-hoo and then in that and then in

0:11:08late spring you can bring a bust out the

0:11:10baseball hats and all that stuff is it's

0:11:14really seasoned to taste i know this is

0:11:16not on the list for John's next project

0:11:21which we should talk about at some point

0:11:22by down I IC IC possibly a little thin

0:11:27volume the John fashion all aspects of

0:11:31fashion not sure

0:11:32men's clothes but fashion as as the as

0:11:35the elephant in the cultural room

0:11:37mmm fashion vs STYLE&FASHION reverses

0:11:40preference

0:11:40yes all kinds of those little shades I I

0:11:44went to I went to the junkyard today I

0:11:47had a very busy gay i woke up this

0:11:50morning I put the baby in the bath then

0:11:53I made her some bagels and then I put on

0:11:58an airplane to Paris don't want to the

0:12:01law

0:12:02Oh blah here's how you say as a

0:12:05thank-you merci

0:12:06you can say merci bien or merci beaucoup

0:12:09depending on you know how funny you want

0:12:13to sound then i left the airport I went

0:12:16immediately to the junkyard

0:12:17I spent an hour at the junkyard and I

0:12:20and I honestly felt like you know I

0:12:23could just have I could just do a TV

0:12:25show of just me wandering around a

0:12:26junkyard because there's so much to talk

0:12:28about i think we people watch that

0:12:31there's so much I don't give your

0:12:34remarks about the things that are in the

0:12:35junkyard or just you think about life

0:12:37well the thing is if you can walk around

0:12:39a junkyard and not think about life i'll

0:12:40put in with you

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0:14:07like I definitely not as you're

0:14:10surrounded by it

0:14:11yes that's right it's like somebody dies

0:14:13or something you're going to think about

0:14:14life

0:14:15alright you know if you it so you can

0:14:17comment

0:14:18are you coming all day on the stuff

0:14:20that's in a junkyard but your cars are

0:14:23very personal very personal for people

0:14:25and he always all I I forget how

0:14:27personal it is for people

0:14:29hmm i dunno i have to tell my daughter

0:14:31like when you know you know kids they

0:14:32walk around walk real slow and touch

0:14:34everything and reminders like don't

0:14:36touch somebody's cars telling me about

0:14:38her day she's walking along and then she

0:14:39starts she starts kind of like handling

0:14:42the logo on the car and like he can't do

0:14:44that like somebody in some places that

0:14:46some see it's easy like handling their

0:14:47Mercedes logo you do not want to get

0:14:50that person that you don't you do not

0:14:51want to provoke somebody thats right

0:14:53dont even even if you're walking along

0:14:55absent-mindedly just drawing one finger

0:14:57along the side of a car somebody's going

0:14:58to be mad about it

0:14:59yep so why around a junkyard you're

0:15:02looking at you know there's 10,000

0:15:04stories in The Naked City and every one

0:15:06of them ends up in a junkyard but also

0:15:09it's not to think about that a lot with

0:15:11the corner its everytime everytime i see

0:15:14a bad tattoo i am actually say it's mike

0:15:18as you see that you see that someday a

0:15:19corner is going to have to kind of draw

0:15:21that notebook yeah it's likely that

0:15:24person is going to be dead and they're

0:15:26gonna have to draw that tattoo for the

0:15:27record

0:15:28yeah the last or describe it the most

0:15:31person that's going to see it and really

0:15:32appreciate it is the is the is the guy

0:15:34at the crematorium that's a that's

0:15:37making like eighteen dollars an hour

0:15:38apparently at our German Blackwater

0:15:43gothic how I got a problem original

0:15:46certain

0:15:48rock chalk I'm sure that they just have

0:15:53I'm sure they have just uh a picture

0:15:55book of tattoos and you just circle the

0:15:57one just like I owe symbol for Shanti on

0:16:01the back of her neck circle kanji symbol

0:16:04for regret looks like winnie-the-pooh

0:16:06flying a yin-yang kite circle so anyway

0:16:11you're isn't your internet actually a

0:16:13junkyard is the story of

0:16:14twentieth-century industrialism write it

0:16:17so that means either their cars there

0:16:20that I mean you don't see a lot of cars

0:16:21from the thirties anymore in a junkyard

0:16:23but you definitely see them from the

0:16:25forties and fifties if you're lucky and

0:16:27then all their full of cars from the

0:16:30seventies and eighties and and just then

0:16:34on all the stories that are good but

0:16:36then then your mind starts to wander and

0:16:39you're thinking about Oh life and times

0:16:43and the wars and you know and Hermann

0:16:48Goering and then pretty soon you're

0:16:52thinking about dim sum and it's getting

0:16:56late in the day and what is a what do

0:16:58you have to do how how do you have to

0:17:00get out of here on the way out of the

0:17:01junkyard

0:17:02I'm talking to the guy behind the

0:17:04counter who calls he's calling me boss

0:17:05he calls me Bobby nice which is really

0:17:08nice i like boss I feel like getting

0:17:11called boss by the guide the junkyard is

0:17:12exactly right and he's got he's not

0:17:15suffering fools heat because first of

0:17:17all he sees the guy working at the jack

0:17:20currencies more fools per capita than

0:17:23anybody it aside from like a reporter

0:17:26for entertainment tonight at the VMAs

0:17:29right they're going to see a lot of

0:17:31fools but the guide the junkyard sees a

0:17:33different kind of fool i'm talking to

0:17:36him and I and I and he looks over my

0:17:38shoulder at somebody coming through the

0:17:40front door and he says hey buddy hey you

0:17:45know what you got

0:17:47you put that back don't just leave it

0:17:49and so I turn around and the guide

0:17:52walked in the door and somehow something

0:17:54had something in the door jamb had

0:17:56fallen down

0:17:59the pneumatic door closer and the guy

0:18:02had water guy walked in and he's wearing

0:18:04a baseball hat that's camouflaging it

0:18:07has a deer on it and he just seemed seen

0:18:12it and the guy behind the counter and

0:18:13seen him see it and he just kept going

0:18:15and so these discipline name that the

0:18:17counterman is disciplining the guys like

0:18:19you got it you know like fix that you

0:18:21don't just walk in and leave it so the

0:18:23guy goes back and he starts to try to

0:18:25fix it fix the door and I'm in the

0:18:30middle of asking the counterman question

0:18:32so I I figure okay the guys fixing the

0:18:36door now

0:18:36now I now it's my turn so I say so

0:18:39anyway is it possible that but the

0:18:43counterman isn't paying attention to me

0:18:45anymore he's focused on the door and he

0:18:48says to the guy

0:18:49hey hey pal you're making it more more

0:18:52complicated than it needs to be

0:18:53you just gotta and at that point a

0:18:58second guy walking in the door stops and

0:19:01starts helping the camouflage baseball

0:19:03hat guy fix the door jamb but i can see

0:19:06that the two of them together have now

0:19:08made it a hundred times worse now the

0:19:11entire top of the door is loose and and

0:19:16the junkyard guy he's not going to go

0:19:18out and get himself on principle on

0:19:20principle he's not going to so so then

0:19:23he says so then he's getting and i'm

0:19:25looking at the junkyard guy and I'm

0:19:27thinking okay my job right now is

0:19:33graceful exit because I've already asked

0:19:36I've already started to ask the

0:19:37counterman my final question twice and

0:19:41two times I haven't made it all the way

0:19:44at the end of the question and now the

0:19:46door is falling apart and I just want

0:19:50out of here but I can't get out of here

0:19:52because these guys are I've got the door

0:19:54blocked and it's like literally now that

0:19:57it's falling down around them so I can't

0:20:00leave but I'm not going to stand here

0:20:02and repeat my question a third time and

0:20:06I'm not going to i'm not going to put

0:20:08myself over to the side

0:20:10and wait in a in kuwait line for the for

0:20:17the attention to go back to me because

0:20:19when it finally does there's gonna be

0:20:21six guys in the room and they're all

0:20:23going to turn me and go now what was

0:20:24your fucking question

0:20:26and my question is does not rate that

0:20:30amount of attention right i'm at the

0:20:32junkyard there guys here that are

0:20:34rebuilding four-barrel carburetors

0:20:36that's not what I'm doing now i just

0:20:39went out and so I start to make my way

0:20:42to the door at which point the

0:20:44camouflage baseball hat time and his at

0:20:48this and completely unrelated dude who's

0:20:51in like a camel jacket the entire top of

0:20:56the door frame false starts with all its

0:20:58just falls completely I don't know how

0:21:00they did it and the counterman is like

0:21:03oh my you know it's like you guys come

0:21:06on

0:21:07and at a certain moment the one the

0:21:10camouflage baseball hat guy is holding

0:21:12up the holding up one side of the frame

0:21:14and kind of leaning back and looking at

0:21:17it with his head and the other guys on

0:21:19the other side of the door holding up

0:21:21the frame and they make a perfect like a

0:21:26like a like a perfect Moorish arch one

0:21:30hand up here the guys at back is arched

0:21:34the other guys back is arched the the

0:21:36door is falling down and I just make for

0:21:39the gap and I as I'm as I leave I turn

0:21:43and I I pointed the counterman and I say

0:21:46I'll catch you later and proved right

0:21:50through and right as i make as red as I

0:21:53make it through the gap it's like the

0:21:55Millennium Falcon going out of the

0:21:58leaving the worms mouth in the asteroid

0:22:01who heard a hold or just completely

0:22:05comes apart and these guys are juggling

0:22:08parts and they're bumping into each

0:22:09other and it's just the catastrophe and

0:22:12I just barely made it out and that for

0:22:17all I know there's the half a dozen guys

0:22:19still stuck in that auto parts store

0:22:21because nobody knows nobody knows how to

0:22:23leave

0:22:23you got the last chopper out of Saigon

0:22:24you know what I fucking did and I'm

0:22:29grateful you know I'm grateful and part

0:22:31of that is I surveyed the situation I

0:22:33knew going in whatever the conversation

0:22:37I was going to have that counter guy

0:22:38could at any moment be interrupted by

0:22:40somebody who needed it was like a

0:22:43serious wrench turning guy who had a

0:22:46serious question

0:22:47I didn't foresee that the portal would

0:22:51be closing so fast huh

0:22:53so this day has had a lot of adventure

0:22:56already and then I went to do the dim

0:22:57summits play on so i pretty much

0:23:01everything I know about junkyards comes

0:23:03from like a scene in slacker

0:23:04I I used to think a junkyard was like a

0:23:08dump

0:23:08I thought the place was kid I thought oh

0:23:10junkyard that's a place we take an old

0:23:12car is dead and it goes and lives there

0:23:15and it's like it's like because I gotta

0:23:16be heaven right but slacker help me

0:23:18understand that there's a reason for

0:23:19junk cars which is you go there and you

0:23:22get parts from your model car in the

0:23:25junkyard to put in your own car is that

0:23:27how junkyard works is that correct that

0:23:29is one of the things that you can do a

0:23:31junkyard yes that's a very good idea

0:23:33it's a great idea and back in the old

0:23:35days when cars were things that normal

0:23:40people could work on and they had you

0:23:44know more or less interchangeable parts

0:23:47a lot of them like if you had a Chevy as

0:23:50my mom would say my mom is teaching my

0:23:52daughter to say Chevy now that's how you

0:23:54gotta stop that instead well I can't I

0:23:57mean it's parties very strong-willed

0:23:58John it's part of our vernacular and I

0:24:01don't she doesn't it's not like she's

0:24:02it's not like she's correcting a her 1c

0:24:06when she says chevy it's just that my

0:24:08mom pronounces it should be

0:24:10I've never heard that chevy's I never

0:24:13heard shitty Senate doesn't know hi

0:24:15thing must be some it's a western Ohio

0:24:19thing and so she say so like my kid has

0:24:24started to because she likes to call out

0:24:26all the different kinds of cars you see

0:24:28and identify cars

0:24:30she knows every kind of car she knows

0:24:33every kind of nut

0:24:34and she knows every kind of car and he's

0:24:39back name every kind enough and so she

0:24:41she was driving down the street and one

0:24:44of the games you like supply as you know

0:24:47nissan toyota ford ford shivvy and I'm

0:24:54like shit EP oh my god I've been hearing

0:24:57that my whole life and now my kid is

0:24:59saying it should be but it used to be

0:25:03you could go to the junkyard if you had

0:25:04a Chevy you knew that you just did find

0:25:08a whole bunch of shit he's in the

0:25:09junkyard and you'd find the shitty part

0:25:10that you needed and it will bolt right

0:25:12on to your car and now of course cars

0:25:17are just they're made by 3d printers

0:25:20they're basically computers with wheels

0:25:22yeah they're just they're all injection

0:25:24molded and none of them you know they're

0:25:28not really like fixable in the same way

0:25:30but there are enough people that I mean

0:25:34when I was the hour-and-a-half i spent

0:25:37walking around the rainy junkyard

0:25:40looking for the particular part i was

0:25:41looking for

0:25:42there were a dozen other people out

0:25:44there and you know you bring your own

0:25:46tools to the junkyard is really huh

0:25:48and so a bunch of people walking around

0:25:50with their toolkits and they're they're

0:25:54taking the trim off of the door of the

0:25:56off the passenger side door of a ford

0:25:59aerostar or they're you know they're

0:26:02they're trying to figure out how to

0:26:04dismantle the air-conditioning hoses

0:26:08from a from a caprice classic and people

0:26:13still enough people doing that kind of

0:26:15work that there's that there's still

0:26:18cause for other a lot fewer junkyards

0:26:20and there were I think I mean I used to

0:26:23spend a lot of time in them when I was

0:26:24young because I i was trying to

0:26:26customize my car

0:26:29whatever

0:26:31maybe if you own the land it's gonna be

0:26:33a pretty good deal it's like a parking

0:26:34lot right i mean like your he is not

0:26:37going to cost you that much to have it

0:26:39right and over time somebody will

0:26:41eventually get the the manifold cover

0:26:43case of that shitty exactly and then

0:26:45when the car has been completely

0:26:46stripped then you crush it and sell it

0:26:50for the scrap metal value so when you

0:26:53see those semi trucks driving down the

0:26:55road with with the 25 squished cars on

0:26:58the better huh

0:26:59they're going from a junkyard to a metal

0:27:01yard and then circle of life

0:27:05that's right circle of life that's right

0:27:07so wandering around i am what i was

0:27:10looking for a specific part but as I but

0:27:12I got I got caught up in the loop in the

0:27:14lives of some of these cars where was

0:27:17just like oh that that car could talk I

0:27:19mean that car can talk because you all

0:27:22you have to do is look at it and it's

0:27:23telling you so much about itself and

0:27:26what it's seen the miles its travels

0:27:28literally and figuratively

0:27:33so it was it made me want to do is go

0:27:35back to the junkyard

0:27:36I haven't been to one in a long time i

0:27:39was looking for a specific part but

0:27:40really i don't i don't want it i don't

0:27:44want to need any one part i want to go

0:27:46there and find the part I didn't know I

0:27:49needed

0:27:50mm you know mmm such as a candle thing

0:27:53you're you're on a building from mine

0:27:56except you're not young right it's like

0:27:58a young man's journey that's right you

0:28:01don't you may not know what your what

0:28:02your grill cup is but you want the one

0:28:03that carpenter would use that's exactly

0:28:06it you want to find a comment you want

0:28:08to find a carpenter skup you walk around

0:28:10that mean the first thing you have to do

0:28:13is have faith that he step into the

0:28:17abyss and that that they're they're not

0:28:20going to fall

0:28:21who but i mean i know i know a lot about

0:28:25one of the things about a junkyard is

0:28:27for it to be useful for you at all

0:28:30you have to have a pretty good knowledge

0:28:33of what I'm what all cars look like such

0:28:38that you can see them in there

0:28:41completely dismantled state

0:28:44wrecked and picked over and still be

0:28:48able to tell what kind it is right

0:28:51because if you're in there looking for

0:28:52apart from a Nissan say yeah yeah it's

0:28:55don't make model year anything you gotta

0:28:57be able to look across a field strewn

0:28:59with junk cars where all the doors have

0:29:02been taken off and the hoods are up and

0:29:04the the glasses are broken and the roofs

0:29:08are crushed and you have to be able to

0:29:10teach you know use your encyclopedia of

0:29:13of cues to say like because I for

0:29:18instance i'm i'm looking for a Chevy

0:29:20truck chevy truck from a certain era GMC

0:29:23truck from certain era where a lot of

0:29:26trucks in a junkyard but if you don't

0:29:30know the difference between a Ford and

0:29:31Chevy you spend all afternoon walking

0:29:35all the way over to afford to I was

0:29:39going to try and look for the logo will

0:29:41goes long gone

0:29:42can't break that truck that truck rolled

0:29:45off rolled off the pacific coast highway

0:29:46and down a hill and sat in the you know

0:29:50set in the tide pool for four years and

0:29:52got towed out you better be able to tell

0:29:54that's a Ford well let's let's let's say

0:29:57the obvious it is probably not too cool

0:29:59to be using your iphone a lot at the

0:30:01junkyard

0:30:02well you know he doesn't like a little

0:30:05bit like a tingling if you're certainly

0:30:07if you're like what is this car

0:30:10yeah and and and also one of the rules

0:30:12of the junkyard is when what a body

0:30:14meets a body coming through the Rye who

0:30:16you don't really acknowledge the other

0:30:20person catching the shitty exactly

0:30:24because you are you are fucking

0:30:27scavengers prefer in a boneyard

0:30:31oh I see it's certainly a men's room if

0:30:34you keep your own counsel

0:30:36yeah you're not like PayPal my man there

0:30:38to make friends yeah what are you

0:30:39looking for like no this carpet checker

0:30:43Imperial exactly

0:30:45no you don't ask to borrow somebody's

0:30:47tools you don't even this is one of the

0:30:50few areas where where a where people are

0:30:53going about their business such that you

0:30:54don't even nod and may

0:30:56i contact if you see if you come upon

0:30:58somebody out there it's it is it's

0:31:01already it's basically already two steps

0:31:04toward the apocalypse so so your first

0:31:09concern is to meet somebody in one of

0:31:12those places you have to assume that

0:31:13they want your water it's not become

0:31:17addicted to water that's right but did

0:31:23not have predicted the water but maybe

0:31:26week

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0:33:00the loss just a quick side note i should

0:33:01write this down

0:33:03I know you got a lot of projects in your

0:33:04player and another one would be just put

0:33:07out the fucking rule book for all the

0:33:08stuff that a lot of people don't know

0:33:09out you could do it and anonymously

0:33:11maybe more like some kind of a book like

0:33:13you don't even miss the rules were not

0:33:15even allowed to talk about and I'm sure

0:33:17to tell you I didn't even know junkyard

0:33:19head rules like that

0:33:20oh yeah you could you could save me so

0:33:21much indignity somebody from Vice

0:33:24magazine Romy not very long ago and they

0:33:26said would you write a book about her

0:33:28write an article at least in her right

0:33:30there

0:33:31well that's why they're asking me would

0:33:35you write up an article about all the

0:33:37rules that people should know before

0:33:40they act like citizen journalists

0:33:42videotaping police brutality or whatever

0:33:46yeah because i had made some comments

0:33:49over the years to the effect of to the

0:33:52fact that people that such a such a

0:33:55volume needs to be widely disseminated

0:33:57because people's citizen journalism is

0:34:01being somewhat hamstrung by the fact

0:34:02that they don't understand

0:34:04portrait mode know and they don't

0:34:08understand not to say fuck stock fuck

0:34:14that these are good rules while they are

0:34:16feeling video tapings John you do not

0:34:18know how much intestinal fortitude it

0:34:20takes for me every day to not walk up to

0:34:23people grab their hand and turn it 90

0:34:26degrees but you have you a different

0:34:30shape TV than i do you know that's gonna

0:34:32look like you know what that's gonna do

0:34:33you have any idea what does i know

0:34:34people are taller than wide generally

0:34:36but just doing a favorite hold it

0:34:38sideways

0:34:39yeah it's a basic rule I mean that one

0:34:41that one that city in China exploded

0:34:44there was some amazing footage of it

0:34:49once again taken in standup camera mode

0:34:53and and you're like oh my god this is

0:34:57like the this is an incredible moment

0:35:00you are watching an entire city explode

0:35:05and no one has taught you how to hold it

0:35:08free kick

0:35:08yeah yeah it's also incredibly dorky to

0:35:12watch

0:35:13we just want is painful to watch because

0:35:14you're going like Oh

0:35:16it's almost like their thumbs over part

0:35:17of the lens yeah so and the and the the

0:35:20person from vice was very nice and and

0:35:22actually like seemed like a really kind

0:35:24of smart editor guy and was like hey you

0:35:27know you want to write this or do you

0:35:28want to collaborate on i was like i do

0:35:31want to collaborate on it with you i

0:35:33think that would be really that would be

0:35:34really useful it would be good for

0:35:35people we should collaborate on a guide

0:35:40a citizen's guide to to you know to be a

0:35:46amateur journalists

0:35:48oh and so how especially especially with

0:35:50the camera because I i can think of like

0:35:52about by half a dozen things I wish

0:35:53everybody knew about using the camera on

0:35:56their phone that can make so much of a

0:35:58difference

0:35:58well the other thing is like don't pinch

0:36:01zoom in now and don't ever first of all

0:36:05move on that I think the very first

0:36:07thing almost everybody needs to know is

0:36:10like you see this in like when the first

0:36:12time dad gets a camera in the eighties

0:36:14it's like do not do a bunch of like we

0:36:17don't like vine don't do all these like

0:36:20three second shots don't know don't

0:36:22short shots

0:36:22don't move the camera keep the camera in

0:36:24one place you think you need to move

0:36:26your eyes don't move the camera

0:36:28yeah yeah but turn the camera on put it

0:36:31sideways and then walk as close to the

0:36:34action as you can stay quiet and like if

0:36:40you're gonna move if you're going to if

0:36:42you if you need to move to get to get a

0:36:43better view of it slow movements but not

0:36:47with the you know move your body not the

0:36:49not the don't wiggle the camera there's

0:36:52so many things to say and an exciting

0:36:55slide all that i would you also going to

0:36:56the stuff like like know your rights

0:36:57type stuff will absolutely have to talk

0:36:59about that stuff but at and all of that

0:37:01is part and parcel of saying like what

0:37:04is interesting that even that's another

0:37:07thing that a citizen journalist needs to

0:37:09think about what is interesting about

0:37:12this and because so often you see if you

0:37:16see it some footage where the action

0:37:21that they think is interesting is

0:37:23completed and they they stopped filming

0:37:25but that wasn't the end of what's

0:37:28interesting about

0:37:29that's her that wasn't you know that

0:37:31wasn't actually the end of the scene

0:37:32that brings I could be instantiated a

0:37:35vent or the action is just one part of

0:37:37it and especially in police cases what

0:37:39happens next could be even more

0:37:40important exactly internet like what

0:37:42happens with the actual story if you're

0:37:44watching a confrontation and then

0:37:45somebody gets shot the end is not the

0:37:49person got shot the end is like what

0:37:52happens in the next 10 minutes that's

0:37:54the whole case so all that and so that

0:37:57the person from vice was awesome sent me

0:38:00a long email with their thoughts and

0:38:03their construction of it and and what

0:38:06what you know how they imagine it and

0:38:08then I just completely just drop the

0:38:10ball and didn't didn't reply which I

0:38:15feel terrible about and I should maybe

0:38:17go find that and and dig that up because

0:38:18i have so much to say on the topic but

0:38:22also have this show about the junkyard

0:38:24that i'm working on when there's a lot

0:38:27to do ever so many rules i mean the

0:38:30volumes if it would just be what it

0:38:33could be kind of like the 33 and a third

0:38:34series of little books I was always

0:38:37thinking something similar yes it's

0:38:38bigger than a pamphlet but that the

0:38:40shorter than a novel

0:38:41yeah we're that it's just a series of

0:38:42series of rulebooks how to behave at the

0:38:46junkyard how to behave backstage at a

0:38:49concert where you are not actually a

0:38:52friend of anybody in the band but

0:38:54somehow got backstage all you know I I

0:38:58gotta tell ya I I think something like

0:39:00this could be super-strong I think of a

0:39:01book i mention this before but it's a

0:39:03book that I adored in in college because

0:39:06you know I'm an almanac i am a book of

0:39:08lists Kyle of these books of of trivia

0:39:10and rules of thumb and all those kinds

0:39:12of things actually was wonderful series

0:39:14of books called rules of thumb that were

0:39:15just fantastic like you know you can

0:39:18calculate how long you gonna wait in

0:39:19line at the bank take the number of

0:39:20people x 3.5 or whatever like how to

0:39:22pick a line all that kind of stuff but

0:39:24there's one called the modern man's

0:39:26guide to life which is not quite as

0:39:27Mookie as it sounds but it was full of

0:39:29advice that people have written into

0:39:31this guy about how to do different stuff

0:39:33and none of them would achieve you know

0:39:36would rise to the level of meeting a

0:39:38chapter but they would be collected into

0:39:40like you know the

0:39:42different different kinds like you know

0:39:43how to how to not look like a doofus in

0:39:45a restaurant like I do all the stuff you

0:39:47know how to how to basically fix your

0:39:48car this kind of stuff I think something

0:39:50like that John Waters guide to life

0:39:51it's friendly feeling better title could

0:39:53be extremely useful

0:39:55thank you so much i'm gonna just start

0:39:57writing it down right down the kinds of

0:39:58things you want to collect and then

0:40:00start uh you know gleaning the tips of

0:40:03the tips late getting tips for my

0:40:07podcast avoid saying things like

0:40:08cleaning the tips how do you how do you

0:40:11get a tow truck driver in Missouri to

0:40:13let you ride in the cab

0:40:14ok it could be better it was a visit

0:40:16just extremely specific to you how do

0:40:19you mean there's so much how to help

0:40:22Gary remember that you've met yeah how

0:40:25do you get if you if you are a Mayan

0:40:27ruin and you want to go into the part

0:40:30that's that's fenced-off who do you talk

0:40:33to Tommy a lot of these things I mean

0:40:36one of my favorites I can't do this but

0:40:38i love that you can do this is is your

0:40:40whole thing of like you know if you

0:40:41wanna walk in somewhere walk in like you

0:40:43own the place

0:40:44yeah nobody nobody asked you just walk

0:40:46right in no they're sooo me on the place

0:40:48and then this also gives you lots of

0:40:50opportunities to tell anecdotes right

0:40:53well and you know what the thing of

0:40:55course when you're young is that one of

0:40:57the best anecdotes is getting thrown out

0:40:59of a place when you get a little bit

0:41:02older

0:41:03it's it you know it's it's a lot harder

0:41:07for me to get thrown out of a place now

0:41:08because I kinda do look like I should

0:41:11own the place and to get unceremoniously

0:41:15booted out of a place that you look like

0:41:17you should own it just you know I have

0:41:21to dust off my hat because that you know

0:41:23the guy throw out and throw your hat in

0:41:25the street

0:41:27yeah just optimization until you feel

0:41:28your hand at I'd pick your pardon sir I

0:41:32am as God made me sir

0:41:35so I mean yeah you want to dim sum and

0:41:38then we added we are our regular dim

0:41:40summit where it was decided I was not

0:41:47you and Jason Jason and I meet with two

0:41:51other friends Cal McAllister who owns an

0:41:53advertising agency called

0:41:55the WAGs Lee school for girls uh-huh and

0:41:59Matt Dresner who owns an advertising /

0:42:01PR agency

0:42:03oh man this is your extended marketing

0:42:05team I've been hearing about this

0:42:07because it's really you get all the

0:42:08terrible ideas for stuff you should be

0:42:09doing this is the team and the team's

0:42:11decision today we're not meeting but its

0:42:13people the decision of the team today

0:42:17was like more of an old man and its

0:42:22people here there is some kind of way I

0:42:25might be able to promote my twitter feed

0:42:27minutes here by advertising agency

0:42:30friends and they're trying to they're

0:42:32trying to expand my social media

0:42:34recharge sure yeah but the decision was

0:42:37listen we should just figure out how to

0:42:39be multi millionaires and the and the

0:42:43best anecdote was a cow

0:42:45one of one of his close friends from

0:42:47high school is the king of the yard pool

0:42:52of the yard pool

0:42:55yeah if you want to if you want a little

0:42:56pond in your yard who he started out

0:43:03this guy started outputting pawns in

0:43:05people's yards like a lot of people like

0:43:08a lot of pond guys start out all your

0:43:10residential consumer ponds yeah you

0:43:13start are probably working for a guy

0:43:14that's installing ponds and then you you

0:43:16build up a little nest egg and then you

0:43:18start your own pond installation company

0:43:21but this guy figured out was you know

0:43:26when you want in the words of Mark Twain

0:43:28when there's a gold rush he sell

0:43:30pickaxes uh-huh right so he's out there

0:43:34putting in ponds and he's looking up the

0:43:37chain at the guy who's making the ponds

0:43:40who's making huh

0:43:42the pond equipment and he says this

0:43:45guy's not this you know this guy's not

0:43:47moving refrigerators he's not installing

0:43:49color TVs that's all you do it that's

0:43:52the way you do it he said by the counter

0:43:54somewhere fulfilling pond parte orders

0:43:57and so this friend of Calvin callisters

0:44:00he systematize 'as the pond business

0:44:04vertical integration

0:44:06the phone so now he's not installing 500

0:44:08pounds in the summer he's selling 50,000

0:44:11blows 50,000 ponds all across America to

0:44:14people all the part of people have to go

0:44:18through any move up on food chain

0:44:20that's right he became the BP camp on

0:44:22man and so when I have a friend i have a

0:44:26friend in seattle figure this out to we

0:44:28legalized weed here

0:44:30uh-huh and everybody was going to rest

0:44:33everything all shit I better gotta be I

0:44:35got a warehouse i gotta start growing

0:44:36weed I gotta start selling weed I gotta

0:44:39get in this weed business in on the

0:44:41ground floor but I've got a pal who went

0:44:44to China and figured out the weed

0:44:51appliance the weed delivery appliance

0:44:56that was going to be the industry

0:45:00standard and then he cornered the market

0:45:04on the weed delivery appliance so he

0:45:07never has to touch a weed talking about

0:45:10like 44 consumer to get into their

0:45:11system

0:45:12yeah i'm talking about a of the vaping

0:45:15oh right gear right let's see that would

0:45:18that the weed people are going to put

0:45:21the weed into who never grow anything

0:45:24that's right it's some kind of you know

0:45:26it's some kind of like yeah yeah it's

0:45:28like it looks like yeah that's where you

0:45:30get the more intensified you're not like

0:45:32really sucking on it like there's a

0:45:33whole what I think there's a name for

0:45:34this it's like vaping before we do they

0:45:36call it

0:45:36yeah I don't know some kind of Jabba the

0:45:38Hutt technology you have seen people use

0:45:41it on and I remember when they're

0:45:43talking about what whether there should

0:45:44be legal weed I gasps maybe the early

0:45:472000s there is one go-to woman they

0:45:49would always interview in California and

0:45:51if you imagine like last week we don't

0:45:53call them go tues and we're gonna hit

0:45:55from another time but you're like a big

0:45:57bag new york times sunday New York Times

0:45:59comes in

0:46:00yeah she looked like she was doing

0:46:02something with filling that bag with

0:46:03smoke and then and it was really

0:46:05disturbing to watch her use it but but

0:46:07then you get you get big hit of the weed

0:46:08yeah that might be you might be that

0:46:12might be something else that might that

0:46:14might be

0:46:15you know we used to cut the bottom of a

0:46:16milk carton and stick it in a sink full

0:46:18of water

0:46:18I is your time was that can make a bong

0:46:20out anything or paste

0:46:22well we need to be a hobby of ours you

0:46:24keep iPod to pretty much anything and I

0:46:26don't like things from mcdonalds the

0:46:28children would get his toys

0:46:29what the hell good is that skill now I

0:46:32know I know tears and rain so this guy

0:46:33goes in part of his strategy that is not

0:46:35just doesn't want to be pushing we see

0:46:37also he wants to go and get exclusive

0:46:39deals with if I could say Chinese makers

0:46:41of the wii delivery system

0:46:43selena is that nobody else to get

0:46:45exclusive deal

0:46:46he's got he's got the Northwestern's got

0:46:48the pnw district locked in

0:46:50well yeah he's provided the technology

0:46:53so all these guys that are like oh man i

0:46:55sold a thousand weeds

0:46:57yeah he's like I saw a hundred thousand

0:47:00we'd pellets or weed weed you know

0:47:05pressurized we've rods and I mean it's

0:47:11money in the bank this guy and he never

0:47:13touched you never have to touch a weed

0:47:14although i think he likes it but I had a

0:47:17friend in college

0:47:18who's big idea was he was going to make

0:47:20bombs out of two cans and like stuff

0:47:24like out of a like a like a school can

0:47:26so at the time we were all I don't know

0:47:29about I don't know about y'all down down

0:47:31and had the new college in Florida yeah

0:47:33but up in the northwest we were all

0:47:36chewing tobacco all the time didn't we

0:47:38were different stuff there and so we all

0:47:40had we all in Copenhagen cans in our

0:47:43back pockets creating very appealing

0:47:46rings in our genes and my friend he took

0:47:51that you can and he made a he made a

0:47:54hole-in-one side on the run the rim on

0:47:58the edge right a hole and then 90

0:48:02degrees around the circle he made

0:48:04another hole and then he had a stem with

0:48:09a bowl that fit inside one of the holes

0:48:12its appellate it's super good and then

0:48:15if you filled the toucan one-third full

0:48:19of water

0:48:20God and then put the lid on it it was it

0:48:24was it was watertight ok and then you

0:48:27turn the king

0:48:28and at an angle and put your mouth over

0:48:31the one hole and the bowl was in the

0:48:34other hole and it's a fully functional

0:48:36ball if the pit and and he and he

0:48:40honestly was like I'm gonna make I'm

0:48:42gonna make a million dollars i'm gonna

0:48:44summon them because then when the thing

0:48:46is when you when you want to break it

0:48:49down you just dump the water out take

0:48:51the stem out stick it in the toucan and

0:48:54stick that you can you too can circle in

0:48:57your jeans you can second that your

0:48:59chick gets them it should if he had

0:49:02called the juke it's it would be a

0:49:05billionaire and Sam come on this is just

0:49:10sent you a link this idea has been

0:49:12colonized what I just look at the tip

0:49:14can bong

0:49:16oh my god if I see a picture of my

0:49:18friend i am going to lose my shit well

0:49:20there's a lot of there's a lot there's a

0:49:22lot of a lot of variance here still not

0:49:25entirely sure why you would want to do

0:49:28this but ah alright not sure why you

0:49:31would want to do it because of being has

0:49:32been that's American ingenuity at the

0:49:34heart of its etsy for weed yet the bomb

0:49:37is just the partners with you oh my god

0:49:38you can't boring there's hundreds of

0:49:40them to get so while that one look at

0:49:46that handsome let's get runs USB well

0:49:48this guy's gotta this guy's got some

0:49:50kind of holster for it

0:49:51yeah looks like he's got so i guess

0:49:53because utility kilt oh well camouflaged

0:49:55on so people won't be able to see it so

0:49:57this is called oh it's called the AK

0:49:59files i thought it was that meant the

0:50:01Alaska files but then i click on it and

0:50:03it's a it's a website for people who

0:50:06have ak-47 oh I see here's one made out

0:50:09of a heinz ketchup bottle

0:50:11alright my goodness just strange images

0:50:14John so this guy so he's a heavyset guy

0:50:16he's blacked out his eyes he's cradling

0:50:20an ak-47 he's wearing a stripy sort of

0:50:24French or Russian commando shirt

0:50:27uh-huh and I gotta see this he's got a

0:50:30toucan hipster Jennings comes calling it

0:50:36a towel AK files IC tactical tobacco

0:50:40patch

0:50:40oh IC thats I get it it's a bedside it's

0:50:44got that it's got a non-call velcro

0:50:46anymore it's got the clove hitch or

0:50:49whatever it's called that little hook

0:50:51and loop the loop tactical hook-and-loop

0:50:53look at that is a lie

0:50:56this led this is a richer subculture

0:50:57then I realized I instinctively don't

0:50:59like that guy just because

0:51:00come on yeah yeah there's just there's

0:51:03something at the level whatever it is

0:51:06that a person enjoys there's always the

0:51:08desire to complicated

0:51:09mm it's like drinking games oh yeah yeah

0:51:13but even like with drinking games where

0:51:14it's like really like you kind of have a

0:51:16game to drink

0:51:17yeah you know in this case you gotta

0:51:18have a good have a pouch for everything

0:51:20some people love to be organized they

0:51:22have people are bored yet you know you

0:51:24know in all honesty I'm gonna tell you

0:51:25I'm gonna tell you a little story

0:51:26ok last night i was cleaning house

0:51:29cleaning a room in my house that hadn't

0:51:31been cleaned in a long time and I was

0:51:33having some i was getting some help

0:51:35getting some help cleaning the room

0:51:37because I was not able to do it myself

0:51:39because this was the room of stories

0:51:42oh my goodness yeah and so the room of

0:51:48stories it's very hard for me to clean

0:51:50it i can clean other rooms in the house

0:51:51but the room stories it's hard because

0:51:53you have everything you pick up as a

0:51:55very long story attached to it and I

0:51:58don't want to throw it away because then

0:52:01you throw the story away but anytime I

0:52:04ask somebody to help me they end up

0:52:07sitting on the floor while I tell them

0:52:08stories about things and the room

0:52:11doesn't get cleaned yeah and so I had a

0:52:13I had a friend helping me clean the room

0:52:16and she was very unsympathetic which is

0:52:21what was needed

0:52:22yeah but i had to say to her like listen

0:52:24you have to be somewhat sympathetic

0:52:27because you know these stories they they

0:52:32all matter and at one point she picked

0:52:35up a pouch which was a tactical velcro

0:52:39hook and hook and bead pouch which I

0:52:46actually got from you i was doing the

0:52:50flying on it

0:52:51nope it's a pouch that was designed to

0:52:56go on the strap of a messenger bag right

0:52:59so already it's it's like bike messenger

0:53:03connected and it i believe it was for an

0:53:08ipod or maybe an early iteration of a

0:53:12phone

0:53:13yeah it was i'm pretty sure I know what

0:53:14it's for it was for you can put your

0:53:16candy bar phone in this velcro holder

0:53:19and it had the velcro wouldn't go around

0:53:22you like your turn back to strap that's

0:53:24right you can access access your phone

0:53:26it was Timbuktu branded and she said

0:53:30what does this does this does this fit

0:53:32your phone and I was like no she's also

0:53:34but that's gotta be good for something

0:53:36she's well because that's exactly what i

0:53:37said and she said doesn't fit any item

0:53:40that you currently have and I said no no

0:53:42but it's that that's not what matters

0:53:44it's a bit of perfectly great little

0:53:46pouch you could put matches in it at

0:53:48udcc I've I could say and nothing I

0:53:51don't not sure you're talking about here

0:53:52but whoever that person is an

0:53:53understanding that may have been

0:53:55designed have a nokia phone in it but

0:53:57that doesn't mean you gotta quit fucking

0:53:58nokia phone and now there could be there

0:54:00could be 1500 paper clips in there you

0:54:02could put talking about the popcorn

0:54:05popcorn in there

0:54:06thank you could put popcorn in there

0:54:07that is not a thing I thought the

0:54:09popcorn hold but I could should have

0:54:10said that you could put a bunch of short

0:54:13pens are you can you can have a handbook

0:54:18space but it's a handful of space but

0:54:20right before conference you can have

0:54:23space pens made that you give out to

0:54:24people you see myself well I don't want

0:54:26to dig in my bag everything i want to

0:54:27give away a band I got emotional about i

0:54:29have apart from everybody and even one

0:54:31hand sanitizer in there you could fill

0:54:33it with it you can fill it with a with

0:54:36like a conditioner you can put coffee

0:54:41beans in their members great so so I so

0:54:45I'm fighting her on this Timbuktu strap

0:54:48a tactical strap holder like you know a

0:54:52toothpick candle holder and she said she

0:54:56gave me this look the stern look the

0:54:58unsympathetic look and she said

0:54:59seriously gonna fight me over this thing

0:55:01and I was like no and she said good and

0:55:08she put it in the go to the thrift store

0:55:11bag huh

0:55:13and I was like okay I mean that is a

0:55:17time sometime i agree but seriously that

0:55:19is a perfectly good tactical pouch and

0:55:23then the next thing she held up was a

0:55:25piece of green string and it was a it's

0:55:32a beautiful piece of green string that I

0:55:34have been keeping around because I knew

0:55:37it was a special piece of string and I

0:55:39knew that it was going to be useful i

0:55:43haven't yet figured out how it's going

0:55:44to be useful but it was definitely going

0:55:46to be useful and I realized that she was

0:55:49holding it up that I had been carrying

0:55:50it with me for 23 years and that every

0:55:54time I pulled it out of something I was

0:55:55like this is killer string it was about

0:55:58one foot long and then and the thing is

0:56:04it's just a piece of string so I would

0:56:05move it whenever I would be cleaning out

0:56:07earlier box i would just move the string

0:56:09to the new box because it seemed crazy

0:56:11to throw away this incredible one foot

0:56:14length of string and she was likes and

0:56:18again she came into like seriously this

0:56:20yeah i mean before I even protested she

0:56:22was like what is this even in both of

0:56:24these cases also there's not particular

0:56:26stories associated with these but but

0:56:28there is to you obvious utility in these

0:56:30magical potential potential utility

0:56:32potential utility there was always going

0:56:34to be a moment when I was like cut out

0:56:35you know what I need one foot of really

0:56:38awesome green string or six inches twice

0:56:40or six inches twice of green string but

0:56:43but string that has to be spent it has

0:56:45big string that has a kind of special

0:56:47some mad magnitude Trapattoni gift for a

0:56:52mouse

0:56:53well that is exactly one of the things

0:56:54that I thought of but in any case she's

0:56:56holding up the string and I I so I had

0:56:58already acquiesced to the timbuk2 pouch

0:57:02going in the thrift store thing but the

0:57:04string was a bridge too far and i took

0:57:05the string and I just hiding string

0:57:08saving I tied it around my wrist wrapped

0:57:12it around twice tied it with a job he

0:57:15not

0:57:15and I said look it is now it is

0:57:19decorative and I'm not somebody who

0:57:21wears a lot of adornment but now i have

0:57:25so today i have this spectacular i think

0:57:29green sort of rope risks a but it's like

0:57:36a personal Kabbalah thing because

0:57:38without men like Madonna bracelet

0:57:40exactly well well isn't she the one who

0:57:43made the Kabbalah bracelet popular for

0:57:45you to everybody's wearing string this

0:57:46is the problem the next thing that Jason

0:57:48Finn says to me after he notices that

0:57:50i'm wearing a t-shirt because he says

0:57:53what's with the coldplay bracelet haha

0:57:56oh my effing getting it from all sides

0:58:01here I the string has been with me for

0:58:0423 years and now i'm rocking it i think

0:58:07pretty well I think it's like it's

0:58:10pretty jazzy but the thing is you're

0:58:12like somebody like think about all the

0:58:13things you just in this visit of ours

0:58:15alone talking about being able to tell

0:58:17the stories and feel the past of the

0:58:19cars right you think about the way that

0:58:22those startups out there are pulling the

0:58:23memories out of old men's clothes you

0:58:25look at the string and you see a story

0:58:27you like somebody named night Shyamalan

0:58:29movie like you're seeing stuff that

0:58:30other people can't see it's not because

0:58:32you're hallucinating

0:58:32it's because they did they don't have

0:58:34the sensitivity to the vibrations that

0:58:36you use the right you see what these

0:58:38objects are putting out there and

0:58:39they're just walking past going what

0:58:40really string think you're like yeah

0:58:42string they do not make string like this

0:58:44anymore if you went out like if you went

0:58:47to a store that said just if there was

0:58:48called just strength is probably a store

0:58:50in Portland

0:58:51I bet you there isn't it well or it's

0:58:53that's the type of straws string string

0:58:55along particles positively string strung

0:58:59out and they have artisanal stretch

0:59:03yeah it's also the type of store that

0:59:06would be on the Main Street about

0:59:08otherwise failing town haha alright

0:59:11alright like it like it would be inside

0:59:14the inside the former Tandy radio shack

0:59:16that be a place called like strings and

0:59:19things and you go in there and it's

0:59:24every kind of strength maybe the maybe

0:59:27the gal and I'm

0:59:29i'm pretty sure it's a gal who's running

0:59:31strings and things in downtown full of

0:59:35cats down everything is your batty the

0:59:37stripping yeah i bet you if i went in

0:59:40there with this string and said can you

0:59:42duplicate this string she would first of

0:59:45all she would take a moment and be like

0:59:48she got a loop but that's a little

0:59:51jewelers live ya should get out she'd be

0:59:53like that's incredible i haven't seen

0:59:55string like that since the eighties

0:59:56replicating the string it is not

0:59:58possible because she would go

0:59:58possible because she would go

1:00:00back in the back and she bring some

1:00:01string out you're crashing sheep yeah

1:00:03that's right she'll be back there for 20

1:00:04minutes should come out and she'd have a

1:00:06really apologetic look on her face and

1:00:08she'd say this is as close as I get but

1:00:11it just wouldn't have the hefty just

1:00:12three inches of light green jute yeah

1:00:15exactly it wouldn't it wouldn't have the

1:00:16it wouldn't have the waft or the the for

1:00:20the Wolves mm and and we would both

1:00:23agree

1:00:24no in fact that isn't it and I would

1:00:28walk out of there with the string that I

1:00:30have the string that I came in with you

1:00:32know what I mean

1:00:33and I'd be like that's right my-my to

1:00:36Mike my foot foot foot and it's

1:00:38basically a foot 12 inches of great

1:00:40strain and and no one can no one can

1:00:44take it from so glad you saved it i did

1:00:47get I did I did allow for a lot of

1:00:50things to get thrown away Bell what

1:00:52would you get money ask what were some

1:00:54like you know pound-for-pound for some

1:00:56relatively easy ones to let go of

1:00:57everything we're like that

1:01:00I'm glad somebody brought it up well

1:01:03there are two two things stick out one

1:01:06of them was about 15 years ago I took I

1:01:10took a correspondence geology course and

1:01:14i really enjoyed it and the way that you

1:01:18either way that you did the course was

1:01:20you you know you did your homework

1:01:21mailed it into the professor and the

1:01:24professor corrected it and mailed it

1:01:25back to you kidding me

1:01:28we said correspondence course about you

1:01:30it really hit literally sent in the mail

1:01:32that mailed it in an envelope to hide

1:01:35was a long time ago and so I I carried

1:01:42on this correspondence course and i

1:01:44really enjoyed the studying and I

1:01:45enjoyed the geology and I enjoyed the

1:01:47homework but when and everything was

1:01:51that that you would send the the the

1:01:54homework in and also sending a

1:01:56self-addressed stamped envelope

1:01:59so the professor would send them the

1:02:01homework back in an envelope which had

1:02:05your handwriting on it

1:02:07I remember the East always feel so weird

1:02:08to get a letter in my own handwriting ya

1:02:12self addressed stamped is when you can't

1:02:14remember what it was for right even

1:02:17weirder right when they're gone for a

1:02:19long time and then you're like you just

1:02:20get the self-addressed stamped envelope

1:02:21thanks so much anymore but that used to

1:02:23be a thing if you want free stuff it

1:02:24tells me some stickers or get our

1:02:26catalog or something like that or you

1:02:28know and it must be so weird to get mail

1:02:30and it was like a folded-up envelope

1:02:32with your own handwriting on it was

1:02:33super creepy

1:02:34yep so I got all the homework

1:02:37assignments back but I never opened the

1:02:40envelopes and now now that I've said it

1:02:43a couple of times i don't know whether

1:02:44to pronounce that envelope envelope also

1:02:46i'm gonna go with envelope from here on

1:02:48out they were envelopes to begin with

1:02:50but now their envelopes so but i but i

1:02:54enjoyed the class so much that it wasn't

1:02:55like I wanted to throw them away i just

1:02:57didn't I didn't care what I didn't care

1:03:00about the grade i didn't care about the

1:03:03you know I just never opened them but i

1:03:05kept them so i had 10 or 12 pretty thick

1:03:10envelopes it in my own handwriting that

1:03:14I knew had an entire class of geology in

1:03:18it and I couldn't and now it was 15

1:03:22years old I couldn't bring myself to

1:03:24throw it away and my unsentimental

1:03:28friend was like again I mean she really

1:03:31only needed one look which was seriously

1:03:34see that it's sort of like not clean out

1:03:37your couch all the way I don't want to

1:03:38leave something oh please tell me you

1:03:41open at least one of them so I so I was

1:03:43like all right and the thing is my job

1:03:45at the at this at this point in the

1:03:47cleaning had become just sit in a chair

1:03:49and things end up in my lap and I'm

1:03:51telling the story of them and she's

1:03:53ignoring me and and you know figuring

1:03:55stuff out but so I opened up the first

1:03:57one and here's this geology homework

1:04:00from 15 years ago and there's red

1:04:05teacher marks all over it from a teacher

1:04:09that I had never met

1:04:12saying great job really interesting read

1:04:17you know really interesting uh idea or

1:04:21whatever because I you know it was like

1:04:22I was I was expanding on it wasn't just

1:04:26like is this shifter what it was like I

1:04:28was talking about a geological ideas and

1:04:33so then I opened another one and hear

1:04:35all these red marks from this teacher

1:04:37where she's like John I really thought

1:04:39that this was you know great job and

1:04:41this is you know in here a couple more

1:04:42things to think about and so then I'm

1:04:44opening all the envelopes and I had been

1:04:47having this whole conversation with this

1:04:50teacher but I wasn't aware of it because

1:04:52I never opened the envelopes and by the

1:04:53end of the class she was writing all

1:04:56these long red remarks like you know

1:04:59what a pleasure having you in the class

1:05:00you know this you didn't you know

1:05:02exceptional work throughout and this is

1:05:04clearly an a paper at every level and

1:05:06and you know and at one point she was

1:05:09like I'm from Alaska to and started on

1:05:11my Kaiser never even knew never knew huh

1:05:16and this has just been sort of sitting

1:05:18there on my you know on it really

1:05:23actually on top of a dresser in the room

1:05:26of stories for all this time and you

1:05:32know now i feel like i should look her

1:05:35up

1:05:36uh we had we had a really great

1:05:39conversation going and I was

1:05:42communicating exclusively in geology

1:05:46homework but she was you know sending me

1:05:50all this sort of flank personal chatty

1:05:53professor stuff my goodness and it was

1:05:57really it was pretty heavy and so I got

1:06:00to the last assignment which was the

1:06:03final paper which I barely remember

1:06:05writing it's like a 15 page paper on the

1:06:11island of Santorini and it's covered in

1:06:18her remarks and I was like all right you

1:06:20know what I can throw away all of these

1:06:23you know all these worksheets and all of

1:06:29these maps and all of this all of this

1:06:31colored pencil stuff I can throw it all

1:06:34away but i'm not going to be able to

1:06:36throw away this final paper with all of

1:06:37these personal remarks on it and so my

1:06:42unsentimental friend had provided for me

1:06:44by this time a multi pocket file folder

1:06:48which the truly on on a colorable items

1:06:56could could go in and be safely stored

1:06:58and so it found it found its own slot in

1:07:03the bag and feel good about that i think

1:07:09i can live with it

1:07:10I mean I feel like I you know like 12

1:07:15envelopes gone but the but the report

1:07:18got saved and strength that let you have

1:07:22that strength and the string got saved

1:07:24now that the one the final thing that

1:07:26I'm really torn about you have time for

1:07:30this

1:07:31yeah you have somewhere else to be in

1:07:34fifth grade I liked downhill skiing

1:07:38quite a bit and my dad liked to downhill

1:07:41ski on the two of us were that we bonded

1:07:43a lot over downhill skiing and in fifth

1:07:46grade there was some sort of pottery

1:07:49module that came through our class where

1:07:53we were all making we were too old to

1:07:55make handprints in a circle of clay we

1:07:59were we were to the next level to make

1:08:01pencil holders or something

1:08:03do you remember making anything in the

1:08:05pottery yeah I remember making ashtrays

1:08:07master you can make a straight and later

1:08:08on you make a pipe when you're in

1:08:09college

1:08:10exactly ok so i'm sure a lot of my

1:08:13favorite it all comes back to marijuana

1:08:15does it does it eventually you're going

1:08:18to make a bomb but now it's funny I mean

1:08:19like you there was a lot of funny how

1:08:21much ashtray making there was when we

1:08:24were kids

1:08:25yeah just something with a Sunday school

1:08:26or or regular school or whatever it was

1:08:29you gotten past hand and footprints and

1:08:31you may be worn up the pencil holder you

1:08:32could at least make a rudimentary a

1:08:34place for your mom dad put

1:08:36instance yeah and and nobody in my

1:08:38family smokes

1:08:40by the time i was in fifth grade and so

1:08:41I had no I had no astray to make and so

1:08:44what I made was a little not little

1:08:48actually it's about the size of a

1:08:49paperback book and I wrote the word ski

1:08:54in clay on a clay square and I painted

1:09:05it and i fired it and I gave it to my

1:09:10dad

1:09:10huh and my dad put it up on the top of

1:09:14his kitchen cupboard and it was there

1:09:18and it moved with him and it went with

1:09:21him all the way everywhere he went

1:09:24and then when he died I inherited again

1:09:28and I put it in the room of stories upon

1:09:34on the top of the shelf and so I'm

1:09:38cleaning the room stories and my

1:09:40unsentimental friend picks this thing up

1:09:42and without even batting an eye

1:09:47cox her arm as though to throw it

1:09:52she's not even looking at me for

1:09:53approval she cocked her arm to throw

1:09:55this thing in the thrift store bag and I

1:10:02was like wait a minute and I tell her

1:10:06the story and she's just rolling her

1:10:09eyes and she says what good is it was

1:10:14like it never occurred to me it's not

1:10:19good for anything and she was like is it

1:10:22beautiful and I looked at it for the

1:10:25first time I had never really seen it

1:10:28before this moment and I realized that

1:10:32it was a piece of shit that I had and I

1:10:36was embarrassed that in fifth grade I

1:10:39mean in fifth grade there are children

1:10:40who can play the cello there are

1:10:44children who have played the cello for

1:10:46the President of the United States of

1:10:47America

1:10:48yeah in fifth grade spelling bee winners

1:10:53jugglers kids that have survived famines

1:11:00and i made this little shite thing

1:11:03that's not even an ashtray

1:11:05it's just a nothing it's just a shite I

1:11:10it's not even square

1:11:12I didn't even I didn't I wasn't even

1:11:14careful enough to square the edges

1:11:16it's like it's just a piece of shit and

1:11:23i was astonished to discover that this

1:11:26thing that had been with me my whole

1:11:28life it always peered down at me from

1:11:30some top shelf somewhere was just a hunk

1:11:34of garbage if if it went into the thrift

1:11:36store bag it would go through the thrift

1:11:37store and a good price that was at one

1:11:40cent and it would sit there on the shelf

1:11:44until somebody knocked it off and broke

1:11:45no one would mourn it

1:11:47uh-huh and yet I could not allow it to

1:11:53go and now what what does that say

1:11:57Marlon I i know that's I don't say that

1:12:04that's super-complicated and there's a

1:12:06lot of angles to that one and the ending

1:12:09you shovel on me with the ending that

1:12:11was quite a twist again because it

1:12:12sounds like as you look at it it had

1:12:15accumulated the value of being something

1:12:17your father hadn't hung onto through his

1:12:19life but as you look at it you didn't

1:12:20feel like it was anything super special

1:12:23i mean he he put it up on top of the

1:12:28Shelf because his son made it and but he

1:12:32couldn't possibly have been proud

1:12:34because the first time he saw it he must

1:12:38have looked at it and said oh shit now i

1:12:41have to carry this with me it's not

1:12:45useful

1:12:46it's not decorative it right just it's

1:12:49just shit it's just a piece of garbage

1:12:53yeah I don't over complicate this it was

1:12:55gone

1:12:56well no I so i put it so that was one of

1:12:59the few things that got put into

1:13:02so into the limbo state into the into

1:13:04the between universes place which is

1:13:09like balanced on the corner of a table

1:13:11everyone who walks into the room has to

1:13:16look around and say wow the room looks

1:13:18great

1:13:19you clean up the room story is amazing

1:13:20and then their eyes will fall upon this

1:13:23ski sign

1:13:25alright well not exactly one thought on

1:13:28this this is not to try as much because

1:13:31i want to share this story but this is

1:13:33not to persuade you to keep it because

1:13:34it sounds like you probably don't need

1:13:35to maybe take a photo of it and that

1:13:37would be enough

1:13:38that's something that's what i did with

1:13:39a lot of my stuff that I had trouble

1:13:41getting rid of during one of our big

1:13:42purchase with photograph anything i

1:13:43wanted to keep the memory of but i have

1:13:47to say excuse me that one aspect of this

1:13:50is complicated is that the fact that

1:13:52it's fucked up an ugly and old and

1:13:54stupid becomes part of the charm to me

1:13:57and I you know you're little you know

1:14:01and think just because you were shitty

1:14:03at it doesn't make it not valuable on

1:14:05its own and Ally mention this because

1:14:07this one time when I was 10

1:14:10maybe probably four or five it's

1:14:12whatever i was still playing with

1:14:13play-doh and would have had a disney

1:14:15related Plato set and I made the world's

1:14:18shittiest snow white out of a single

1:14:21piece of red play-doh for my grandmother

1:14:24it was super ugly and super dumb but all

1:14:27I mean it took me what who cares a

1:14:28little kid I you know it just it was

1:14:30just a dumb thing I made it I was at

1:14:32their house i made this I gave it to her

1:14:34she was thrilled with it and she put it

1:14:36on the mantel right so this is probably

1:14:38not making maybe nineteen seventy one or

1:14:40two maybe she put it up there and she

1:14:42kept it there and it and it got old and

1:14:45stupid like Plato is not made to be kept

1:14:47over a fireplace for many years and it

1:14:49got kind of whitish and over the years

1:14:51she had to insert needles in it to like

1:14:53make it hold the head on and it was it

1:14:55was just the most ugly and dreadful

1:14:57crumbling thing you've ever seen in your

1:14:58life

1:14:59of course by the time she passed away in

1:15:001987 it was it was truly awful but you

1:15:03know at that point it had been up there

1:15:05for whatever 15 years and yeah we did we

1:15:09threw it away but it was quite a moment

1:15:11for me to realize my grandmother had

1:15:13kept that

1:15:14I was really young and as ugly and

1:15:16stupid as broken as it was it still made

1:15:19me remember her well but I didn't feel

1:15:20like I needed to keep the broken snow

1:15:22white but it was a nice memory for me so

1:15:24you know I think you can let the ski

1:15:26thing go let it go but you can still

1:15:27appreciate just because you don't have

1:15:28that in your hand anymore doesn't mean

1:15:30that you don't appreciate your dad and

1:15:31the fact that he kept because of you I

1:15:34think that that's a perfectly sane kind

1:15:37of sentimentality to have it doesn't

1:15:39mean you have to keep every piece of

1:15:40that could you let him in your heart

1:15:41even if you don't have ski on your shelf

1:15:44yeah yeah my you know my dad didn't have

1:15:50very good taste either he might actually

1:15:52thought it was good

1:15:56so many twists