0:00:00the incontrovertible number 191 APR 2014
0:00:12it's time for another episode of the
0:00:14incompetent podcast this one live in san
0:00:16francisco for macworld/iworld i'm your
0:00:18host Jason L joining me a fine panel of
0:00:21people who are who showed up you were
0:00:23here first and that makes them saints
0:00:26David Sparkes longtime listener
0:00:28first-time caller or or person who's on
0:00:31the podcast welcome Jason I have to
0:00:33admit I feel like I've just been called
0:00:35up to the show i'm a big fan of the
0:00:37incomparable podcast and now i need to
0:00:39deliver so i'm here with my pics and I
0:00:42am ready
0:00:43don't mess it I don't blow it what was
0:00:45right in my ear back so ready Caldwell
0:00:47is also here hello welcome back thank
0:00:50you i'm happy to actually be on in the
0:00:52comfortable again after a month of
0:00:54boiling right you're very busy person i
0:00:57am a great friend you can join now that
0:00:58I know you're very busy
0:00:59you're skating and robbing banks oh I'm
0:01:01not supposed to mention that part okay
0:01:03alright Dan more and also here however
0:01:05hi what's happening
0:01:07I just blacked out and I woke up on a
0:01:09stage recording a podcast that's like
0:01:11most of this weekend pretty much how I
0:01:13had a podcast I'm gonna happen i cast
0:01:15booking is by knocking people out
0:01:16dragging them onto the floors in here in
0:01:19a bind you with results Jason that
0:01:20that's exactly right Dan Frakes is also
0:01:23here Heidi and thank you
0:01:25and he actually offered to pay me so I
0:01:26didn't that's why I mean you're only
0:01:29ever hear when he's on macworld it's
0:01:31like when you're on the stage i'm an
0:01:32infrequent produced yet but you you
0:01:34can't you feel on various episodes which
0:01:36is a jeff carlson is our other guests
0:01:39he's all only seemingly on when we were
0:01:42in weird locations all you did one on
0:01:43skype so I've been on more more
0:01:46incomparables live than any than the
0:01:48others yeah that sounds very impressive
0:01:50when you think it's I've been on two
0:01:52versus one but still many many more he
0:01:54shows up when there's something
0:01:56happening live anyway just to explain
0:01:58for those who don't know the
0:01:59uncomfortable as a weekly podcast about
0:02:01Kiki pop culture but for macworld/iworld
0:02:04we decided to do something a little bit
0:02:05different in the sense that we're going
0:02:07to be talking about computers but we're
0:02:09going to do it in an inevitable
0:02:11well actually it's very amenable
0:02:12it will say inimitable in comfortable
0:02:15style which is to prove everything is
0:02:18improved if put in fantasy draft format
0:02:21by drafting things in order as if you
0:02:24were forming some sort of fantasy
0:02:25baseball league made out of computers
0:02:28and peers things just are much more
0:02:30interesting so the way it works is my
0:02:31panelists are going to pick their going
0:02:34we're going to start all the way over
0:02:35with Jeff and move toward me and you are
0:02:38going to pick a computer from history
0:02:40I'm the judge and jury and executioner
0:02:42so if you try to pick something like
0:02:44c-3po you are going to feel a lot of
0:02:46pain because he's a robot and not a
0:02:48computer and and I was anticipating will
0:02:52be a lot of Max chosen today given where
0:02:54we are but you know you can you could
0:02:56surprise me so jeff carlson what is your
0:03:00first choice in the incomparable
0:03:02computer draft well a computer is
0:03:05usually associated with power with fast
0:03:08processing with smarts
0:03:10so I'm going to go top-of-the-line the
0:03:13commodore vic-20 yeah my my first
0:03:18computer the the great thing about the
0:03:20commodore vic-20 was that there was of
0:03:22course no no monitor you just hooked it
0:03:25up to a television and you could
0:03:29programming in in in basic with it it
0:03:32had little characters printed on the
0:03:35keys with the special a shortcut key you
0:03:39could like draw things and I think
0:03:42perhaps my favorite part of it was the
0:03:45cassette tape storage system at a big
0:03:48rolling number system so if you want to
0:03:51load a program that you would save you
0:03:53had to fast forward to you know like 192
0:03:56and then have it start listening to the
0:04:00tape and loaded to get your get your
0:04:03program on my signature achievement and
0:04:05this is going to demonstrate how
0:04:07proficient IM as a programmer I made a
0:04:10space shuttle out of all these little
0:04:13codes and made it go off the top of the
0:04:16screen will not often but may go up the
0:04:19screen and even looked like there was
0:04:21smoke
0:04:22it didn't actually look like that huh
0:04:25in my head it was so awesome equivalent
0:04:28of spaceship ascii art yes exactly
0:04:31exactly
0:04:32alright and took me forever really hit
0:04:34on the ascii art circuit
0:04:35yeah so the macworld/iworld panel for
0:04:38the incomparable computer draft begins
0:04:39with a commodore vic-20 I don't think
0:04:42the experts the draft ranking experts
0:04:45were seen that coming
0:04:46some might call that a reach as the
0:04:48first pic de Triomphe Gaston you have
0:04:50been eliminated up some pics but that's
0:04:52ok I we're not here to judge what we are
0:04:54here and we are judging you but that's
0:04:56fine we are going to judge you like and
0:04:57breaks just like the charlotte bobcats
0:04:59yes you are you were this number two
0:05:02pick so I'm gonna go the opposite end of
0:05:05the comic 20 and no one said this had to
0:05:07be real computers
0:05:09no one said they had to be real computer
0:05:11i'm going to pick Jarvis Tony Stark
0:05:14workshop computer
0:05:16all right you're just making that up who
0:05:18is sort of like Siri for the ultra rich
0:05:22playboy I mean who doesn't want back in
0:05:25a computer it's like the most part of
0:05:27the computer in the world apparently and
0:05:28you can just tell it to do something it
0:05:30will do anything
0:05:31show me a five-to-one scale
0:05:34topographical map of New York City that
0:05:35i can pick up and move and change and
0:05:38just be sure you go and it can build
0:05:40things and it can mean I can't think of
0:05:43a better computer if I had to pick one
0:05:44so that's my pic service has amazing
0:05:47networking to no matter where he is
0:05:50it's about all my of robbery and
0:05:53perfectly clear connection
0:05:55yeah yes I think just technically it's
0:05:58he's everywhere right and there are
0:06:01multiple Jarvis's is a net
0:06:04well I whole lot of the next Avengers
0:06:06movie action was about to say I choose
0:06:09Ultron yeah a robot see what happened
0:06:11but you cannot do well I'll see that
0:06:14you're much for having us all right
0:06:16line Tony Stark's Jarvis Stark
0:06:18Industries Jarvis idea and more in
0:06:21Europe real and imagined the computer so
0:06:23many options well if you're picking
0:06:25Jarvis and I am picking whopper everyone
0:06:30else is getting their first was not why
0:06:33because it can play a game
0:06:35Chessie can pick global thermonuclear
0:06:37war it's really covers kind of the whole
0:06:40gamut there it's got great graphics it
0:06:42it's got a giant box that it comes in
0:06:45got a cool acronym and he talks and he
0:06:48talks like what else you relax with an
0:06:50English accent might notice jarvan might
0:06:52be well grammar yes but Germans was
0:06:55English originally right i mean he's
0:06:57also call Bethenny so what you want to
0:06:59do about that but anyways yes that's it
0:07:01that's the I i have a big a certain
0:07:03amount of fondness for the old what we
0:07:05call that big iron right you know it's
0:07:07free for people who don't know what whop
0:07:09whop reason more games the seminal
0:07:111982-83 fillmore game starring matthew
0:07:16broderick and Ally Sheedy yes and water
0:07:18is the computer that is run by a big the
0:07:20Defense Department yes and among other
0:07:22things apparently controls our entire
0:07:24thermal nuclear armament because that
0:07:26seems like a really good idea and can it
0:07:29gets a little touchy sometimes easily
0:07:31hacked into now I a teenager in Seattle
0:07:34that is one of my top requirements in a
0:07:36giant mainframe computer wouldn't be won
0:07:38without it and it sounds like a burger
0:07:41king product so I mean I think it really
0:07:42it really takes all the boxes you
0:07:44wouldn't want to eat whopper though you
0:07:47would want to offer the whopper
0:07:49in addition to having that giant screen
0:07:51in the nuclear arsenal that controls has
0:07:52a little tiny lcds right on its side
0:07:55with a little light that just kind of
0:07:56goes left to right just for extra bonus
0:07:59excitement looks cool it looks cool in
0:08:01case you unplug it from the monitor you
0:08:03still got a little status we never
0:08:05underestimate the power of simply
0:08:06looking cool
0:08:07yep alright the whopper whoppers armor
0:08:09already has that has I think the
0:08:11signature and maybe it started the fact
0:08:12that that every password that you use
0:08:14must be the name of a child haha alright
0:08:17no one will guess
0:08:19Joshua yeah and if that fails Joshua one
0:08:22probably is the passion 1974 so yeah
0:08:26I also keep in mind that it's built by a
0:08:29man whose last name is falcon right
0:08:31which is pretty awesome
0:08:33yep protecting our request for that's
0:08:35all I'm saying anything you want to log
0:08:36in this fall can you just need to say I
0:08:38am Vulcan or yeah as long with his
0:08:40password the voice that voice
0:08:41authentication is is really ahead of its
0:08:43time I think
0:08:44alright so whoppers off the board
0:08:46serenity what do you have i well I was
0:08:48going to go with a legitimate computer
0:08:50that existed in the past but you might
0:08:52want to get has changed that's right
0:08:53given yeah I'm afraid I have to start
0:08:56with my fictional pic and while I you
0:08:58know I had Walker on the list and I
0:09:00think water is an excellent choice and
0:09:03you know there are plenty of
0:09:04megalomaniacs computers that exists and
0:09:08I think my favorite my top of the top is
0:09:10GLaDOS from Portal 10 that started small
0:09:16has a tragic backstory and can basically
0:09:19rule everybody in its path yeah it was
0:09:22really like that big glasses excellent
0:09:25you know what she's funny she's snarky
0:09:28she has a great singing voice
0:09:30I think we can agree that in terms of
0:09:33fictional computers GLaDOS could almost
0:09:35be anyone in an opera competition and
0:09:37probably murder with pinesh yes and
0:09:41portals because everything's better with
0:09:43portals yeah alright David you got it
0:09:47you're gonna drag us back to reality or
0:09:49you're gonna plunge deeper we don'twe
0:09:50the insanity agree that we've had some
0:09:54great computers pic but there's only one
0:09:56computer that we should all be thinking
0:09:58about the computer that's responsible
0:10:00for our existence as we all know we are
0:10:02a computer programmer self looking to
0:10:05find the answer to the life the universe
0:10:06and everything and we do owe our
0:10:09existence to deep thought huh
0:10:12the thought team dogz Adams just guide
0:10:15to the galaxy
0:10:16yeah a computer constructed by mice who
0:10:19are actually pan-dimensional beings in
0:10:22order to figure out the ultimate answer
0:10:23to the element question although the
0:10:25ultimate question the ultimate question
0:10:26of liking the answer is no the answer is
0:10:2842 in answer to the ultimate question of
0:10:31life the universe and everything how
0:10:32many roads must a man walk down right
0:10:34accepted it turns out that the this
0:10:36whole process is corrupted by a crash
0:10:38landing of a spaceship which leads to
0:10:40the
0:10:40the question that comes out being what
0:10:42is 6 times 8 is that which is not the
0:10:46right question no I'm not gonna call you
0:10:49when I'm gonna call the the program but
0:10:51the original computer is is my pic all
0:10:54right deep thought
0:10:56got it I have a crazy pic to but I'm
0:10:59gonna drag us back to reality i am going
0:11:01to pick the with the exception of the
0:11:04powerbook 100 the first generation of
0:11:06power books or therapy mcintosh portable
0:11:09no not the Macintosh portable the way I
0:11:12think you could swim with that one if a
0:11:14cover of a magazine tells me so the
0:11:16powerbook my first powerbook was the
0:11:18perfect 160 but that entire first
0:11:20powerbook line completely changed the
0:11:22idea of what you could do with a
0:11:23computer for not just me but I think for
0:11:25lots and lots of different people then
0:11:29suddenly you're mad could come with you
0:11:30then became all these stories about
0:11:32Hollywood big shots who would have their
0:11:33computer with them at when they lunch
0:11:35today Hollywood lunch spot and things
0:11:37like that which is hilarious
0:11:39did you need a table for two if you
0:11:41brought your computer they won't seat
0:11:42for you once you did because you would
0:11:44think given given everything that did it
0:11:47was a transformative thing I'm a que se
0:11:49before i got the power bug and you know
0:11:51that was a computer was the thing you
0:11:53did at a desk somewhere and then all of
0:11:55a sudden I could use my Mac anywhere to
0:11:59do anything that I could do on that on
0:12:01that desktop computer and it was just a
0:12:03completely change the world so that that
0:12:06whole first line was like the first real
0:12:07laptop breakthrough when a long way to
0:12:11making the mac successful in a second
0:12:14wave of successful product after it's
0:12:16sort of cooled off when the original mac
0:12:18coming on so I say the the first
0:12:21generation of the powerbooks except the
0:12:23power of 100 because that was really
0:12:24slow and no good but the you know the
0:12:27150 to 160 to 170 to 180 those were
0:12:29awesome so that's my 142 they had many
0:12:33numbers that were not helpful
0:12:34this is why apple doesn't number things
0:12:36now is because there used to be all
0:12:38these random numbers and nobody wants ya
0:12:40there but they're much better now the
0:12:42iphone the iphone 3g the iphone 3gs for
0:12:46your pets
0:12:47like for the ipad which ipad is that the
0:12:49third-generation ipad the ipad 2
0:12:51right-minded you want that these are
0:12:53names we give them because they have no
0:12:55names
0:12:56that's a good day
0:12:57in your heart Jason yes anyway that's my
0:13:01choice i went reality all right10 see if
0:13:04jeff carlson continues the reality train
0:13:06your general Carlson obviously got the
0:13:08wrong memo about which things to choose
0:13:09from Jefferson it was that maybe that's
0:13:13all intuition that's happening here
0:13:15ah I got played by yeah my my intuition
0:13:19API I'm gonna go real world and I'm
0:13:22gonna go old real world because of of
0:13:24influence and I'm gonna go with Colossus
0:13:27google boise not yes man has no notnot
0:13:32the extra classes que también draft not
0:13:35even know only Colossus was the the I
0:13:40think some people's credited as like the
0:13:42first big computer i don't know if it's
0:13:44technically the first computer but it
0:13:46was wasn't it it was mechanical and like
0:13:51lots of vacuum tubes there and then
0:13:53basically it was it was designed by Alan
0:13:57Turing and the the British to win World
0:14:02War to basically break German codes and
0:14:04Japanese codes i think it mostly did the
0:14:07Japanese codes and so while you know
0:14:12Tony Starks service AI Jarvis is cute is
0:14:18fun and you know can help to put
0:14:22interdimensional beings back where they
0:14:23belong
0:14:24you know closest won the war man won the
0:14:28big one so thick
0:14:32alright so i'll pick drop some
0:14:34robertshaw here very strong we dropped
0:14:36the bomb
0:14:37alright then breaks how do you follow
0:14:40that I'm gonna go back to the fake okay
0:14:44you're not gonna do really not engage
0:14:48yes really see very well so I did Jarvis
0:14:52for the first one and that is sort of
0:14:53the modern day dream AI so i'm going to
0:14:56go back to when I was like 12 and then
0:14:59the modern day dream a
0:15:04computer is it was kit
0:15:09ok he's away bar is a computer card on
0:15:13the robot your nice little but i do not
0:15:15a robot allow them allowing here and you
0:15:19know he was smart he was intelligent he
0:15:22was also everywhere even if you weren't
0:15:24in the car and you have 2x you know
0:15:26you're protected right he is snarky he
0:15:29was you know he made fun of you if he
0:15:32felt like he was he was a cool addition
0:15:33it was a more posh American accent right
0:15:3510 you're right here wait was that
0:15:37doctor from st. elsewhere right right
0:15:39right way of Daniels and you got mr.
0:15:42Feeny from boy meets world um yeah i
0:15:44mean who doesn't want a car that did
0:15:46again it's like Siri 20 years ago you
0:15:48know
0:15:49serie you know what's the answer to this
0:15:51equation like but the kid was so
0:15:53combative he was like you know every
0:15:55time Michael might want to turn on the
0:15:57turbo-boost you didn't think you would
0:15:58be like Mike no I don't think you should
0:15:59do that we want to get nagged by their
0:16:01cars like that he's the Alfred it was a
0:16:04killjoy
0:16:05he was a killjoy I think that's a week
0:16:07pic but all right I'm gonna go out I'm
0:16:11gonna let is allowed I would not want my
0:16:13kid in my car's what I've already got
0:16:15Jarvis so you know if I was picking kids
0:16:17my first and say okay but already got
0:16:20journal your yes your picture of a kind
0:16:22and i'm not sure i would like to hang
0:16:23out with either but fair enough
0:16:26damn or in not expect I'm gonna see a
0:16:28cue from the jeff carlson playbook
0:16:30I'm going real and I'm going historical
0:16:32who Charles Babbage's Difference Engine
0:16:35but the first computer
0:16:39hey if they have to be useful but
0:16:40without it we wouldn't have a lot of
0:16:42other computers max still on the board
0:16:44index and the lord Charles Babbage's
0:16:46Difference Engine for the 19th century
0:16:48yes was the first real computing device
0:16:51it could be programmed it had the
0:16:55possibility of doing things that were
0:16:56otherwise really really difficult to do
0:16:58at that point required before that point
0:17:00computers work for people there were
0:17:02people added up some of columns and
0:17:04things like that but the charles babbage
0:17:07really brought it around to the modern
0:17:09way of thinking things in without it we
0:17:10wouldn't have any of these other
0:17:11computers i say
0:17:13so I think you have to acknowledge the
0:17:15fundamental superiority of the computer
0:17:17that started the ball except for maybe
0:17:19David's pick up deep thought
0:17:20yeah I just didn't know you're drafting
0:17:21mascots for our team that will you have
0:17:24Jarvis and a car what you want that very
0:17:28colorful very nice
0:17:30okay fair enough i like that
0:17:32steam-powered it's yet it's retro
0:17:35steampunk there's a whole lot of synergy
0:17:37going on and I see where you're
0:17:38appealing to the masses you're trying to
0:17:39reach a specific demographic your hand
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0:21:19all right serenity what do you have
0:21:21alright what crazy finger you much good
0:21:24no I I'm think that all these have been
0:21:26somewhat crazy so far so let's go to
0:21:29reality and let's go to fairly modern
0:21:32reality at least 20th century
0:21:35so when I
0:21:36was entering middle school it was
0:21:39required at my my middle school that all
0:21:42students get a thinkpad and when I told
0:21:46my father this he said no there's no way
0:21:49you're walking into your classroom with
0:21:52a computer whose mouse is like a little
0:21:54tiny number and you have to like in shit
0:21:57around i believe it was the top of an
0:21:59eraser just stuck it on the individual
0:22:01the keyboard like no sorry no daughter
0:22:04of mine is using a thinkpad and so began
0:22:07the long tradition of my dad giving me
0:22:09outdated computers that were lovingly
0:22:12cared for and my very first laptop was
0:22:14the powerbook duo it wasn't the ibook
0:22:17that I desperately wanted her but it was
0:22:20awesome
0:22:21the fact is you know sure my classmates
0:22:24could play the sims in class on their
0:22:26thinkpad but I'm i have escape velocity
0:22:29Nova and I had that run on two hours of
0:22:32battery life wasn't able to do black and
0:22:34white
0:22:35wow so I felt pretty smug and I felt
0:22:39like I got longer battery life than any
0:22:41of my friends because they couldn't
0:22:42figure out
0:22:43wait how do i turn it back to black and
0:22:44white how do I do this
0:22:46oh I'm just wasting all my battery on a
0:22:48silly game so i really like my powerbook
0:22:50duo and still holds up on place in my
0:22:53heart and I think that's why i own an 11
0:22:55and share today is holding onto the tiny
0:22:57did you have a dude i did have a duo
0:23:00Trafford I never used the duo top i was
0:23:03that was cool it was the front loading
0:23:04VCR of computers the duo doc they're
0:23:08reloading the CR like what happened was
0:23:11there was a topic CR it's true the front
0:23:15loading VCRs of computers & and the
0:23:19DualShock have its own processor in it
0:23:20so that when you insert the duo it would
0:23:22use the doc processor which was more
0:23:25powerful than the math coprocessor in
0:23:27the doc yeah
0:23:28powered completely crazy stuff so
0:23:30basically I'm dressing a transformer
0:23:33that's also a real product
0:23:35yeah points points to ren shi you game
0:23:39the system David when idea what do you
0:23:41have
0:23:42thinking back to
0:23:43nostalgic computers i can't help but
0:23:45think about my old Tandy model 100 which
0:23:49was a keyboard with it
0:23:51eight lines of LCD screen on it and I
0:23:54had on a couple double-a batteries and
0:23:57it ran for a couple months on a pair of
0:23:58batteries and all you could you could
0:24:00type basic programs in it and you could
0:24:02type words back that was the beginning
0:24:04of my love affair with text files i
0:24:06think because you could write all the
0:24:08texts and take it to school or whatever
0:24:09right all your texts you plug it into a
0:24:11mac and with dump a text file in that
0:24:14was my original iPad of thing so i'll
0:24:16pick the tandy model with us so did it
0:24:18couldn't connect to a TV or monitor or
0:24:20no just it just had its know that was
0:24:22always like a week later we need to
0:24:24connect me to a cassette player if you
0:24:27have the extra cord but I never got the
0:24:29bet
0:24:30wow so you just had eight lines of
0:24:32taxing lines of town and I think all
0:24:34kinds like i don't remember i think it
0:24:36was like 1k of storage half the vic-20
0:24:39which i think i believe had Duque yes
0:24:41why would you even need more than that
0:24:43no I want you need no one will ever wear
0:24:44than to count that was a great computer
0:24:47alright I am going to pick I've got a
0:24:52mac on my board now so I'm feeling
0:24:53pretty good so i'm gonna i'm going to
0:24:55reach back into the past a little bit
0:24:57before some of you were born and take
0:25:00the Apple 2mm thick the apple 2e which
0:25:03is the computer that i had the computer
0:25:05that i use from eighth grade through my
0:25:08freshman year in college I had a lot of
0:25:11floppy disks have a lot of funny
0:25:13programs wrote a lot of 10 print hello
0:25:1520 go to 10 basic programs learn basic
0:25:19forward-backward ran a bulletin board
0:25:20played games the whole nine yards that
0:25:25is the that is the definitive computer
0:25:28of my of my youth that I i learned how
0:25:32to use and love computers and the apple
0:25:342e I pic partially because it came with
0:25:36upper and lower case and had a super
0:25:38snazzy hundred 28k graphics expansion
0:25:41card it would do 80 characters online
0:25:44and you don't you see him with an upper
0:25:45and lower case I thought you meant like
0:25:46you it has a shift key
0:25:48yeah he yes that's b/ci opposite the
0:25:51Apple 2 plus did not have a shift key to
0:25:53modify the wrong
0:25:54arms and modify the keyboard to support
0:25:56upper and lowercase characters and don't
0:26:00let it don't ever let anybody tell you
0:26:01that the old stuff isn't good in the old
0:26:03days in the old days of of the bulletin
0:26:06boards your numbers 1 through 7 2 or
0:26:08eight nine more beams to it yeah it's
0:26:11plain as I had Hunter that you just
0:26:13instead of eight we would just be four
0:26:15plus for that's what are you talking
0:26:16about
0:26:17there'll be some people log in the
0:26:18bulletin board systems back then and
0:26:20they would post things and it would be
0:26:21all lower-case and you and you look at
0:26:23it you'll be like apple to cause there's
0:26:25no shift key and they couldn't see that
0:26:27it was a lower case because the Apple
0:26:28two key set of the original and I m2
0:26:31plus was only uppercase and will be
0:26:32modified it so the tui is my choice for
0:26:35that wasn't the tui the model that there
0:26:38was some sort of manufacturing defect
0:26:40and the the processor memory would not
0:26:43get seated correctly and so the official
0:26:46apples official fix was you had to get a
0:26:50flat and drop it for light of like two
0:26:52feet or three feet to seat the memory I
0:26:56I don't know that story but it's
0:26:57entirely possible i had was that thing
0:26:59was built like a tank I had a cousin who
0:27:01worked in computer apparently used to
0:27:03tell me stories about picking up
0:27:04computers and dropping them to face them
0:27:05that was the official i was awesome but
0:27:07I wanted to go into computer where he's
0:27:09at for hard drives so it wasn't really a
0:27:11problem to do stuff like that because it
0:27:13didn't have a spinning platter to worry
0:27:15about yeah don't do that anyway i'm
0:27:17truly that's my pic we're gonna move to
0:27:18be third round and jackets back to you
0:27:21i'm gonna go practical again I'm going
0:27:23to come a little bit forward in time for
0:27:26something that that I used quite a bit
0:27:28and I think has a huge amount of
0:27:31influence over everything that we're
0:27:33doing now and that would be the titanium
0:27:36powerbook g4 it was thin it was powerful
0:27:44it was made entirely to titanium and
0:27:47here i must be a little embarrassed
0:27:50because you probably all like like seen
0:27:54a video some of Apple keynotes and a lot
0:27:58of them have the sizable press
0:28:01group and I was pressed for when this
0:28:04this was a announced and steve jobs is
0:28:07talking about this new laptop and you
0:28:10know is it's sort of teasing things and
0:28:12they put a big square and with it with a
0:28:14TI that the titanium symbol on it and
0:28:17they're like you know what is it gonna
0:28:19be
0:28:19and I lost my brain I was like titanium
0:28:23and it was actually something you could
0:28:27hear because I wasn't thinking because i
0:28:29was very excited because my old computer
0:28:30was really really dying so I i was the
0:28:34the doofus that did that but i think i
0:28:38think you can hear no longer yeah it's
0:28:40in the judicial yes you always any that
0:28:42do but excellent impartial journalism
0:28:45all the way but but what's what's really
0:28:49notable about it is that's the first
0:28:50thing where Apple started mass-producing
0:28:52you know formed metal machines which
0:28:57most everything they're doing now it
0:28:59turns out that titanium was a terrible
0:29:01and i was going to be real dancers it
0:29:04does yours come with the first or second
0:29:05hinge on my hinge managed to stay intact
0:29:10it got banged up and and you know like
0:29:13scratching and all over the place and
0:29:16then it at some point the battery
0:29:17decided that it would just expand a bit
0:29:19but it was it was great
0:29:21so in your favor here it was the first
0:29:23silver apple laptop apple still hasn't
0:29:26gotten over that it all that that was
0:29:29the moment when the the apple laptops
0:29:31became what we think of them today as
0:29:33they look
0:29:34you have not changed very much since
0:29:36then well and not just that it looks
0:29:39silver but but they they started doing
0:29:41really interesting things with with with
0:29:43metal and materials and shaping in an
0:29:46era when when you know all the other
0:29:48computer manufacturers were like it will
0:29:50just be able to take these plastic bits
0:29:51and in the room together and they're
0:29:53really shaky and and it was just one
0:29:56inch then lunch then notnot everyone
0:29:59stick that's real one is then they had
0:30:02to paint it but paint doesn't stick to
0:30:04titanium so people's paint chipped off
0:30:06when all are
0:30:07the 98 miles you can get to touch them
0:30:09up titanium is soft and become can
0:30:11become brittle and so it turned out that
0:30:13this was the only laptop apple made that
0:30:16was made with titanium it was very light
0:30:18yeah soft and brittle my personal i love
0:30:20the titanium powerbook to look so cool
0:30:23my personal memory of it is sitting on a
0:30:25couch working and my daughter who was
0:30:29one and a half at the time walked over
0:30:32to to the computer and put her hand on
0:30:34the on the screen and went pop and pop
0:30:37the entire screen off
0:30:38oh because it wasn't that riddle toddler
0:30:41can destroy this computer with one hand
0:30:45while and any it also had a like an
0:30:47interesting add-on possibility because
0:30:50the the ibook had come out in the ibook
0:30:52handle and many people are like well
0:30:54Kakashi like white widow MacBook Pros
0:30:56have I mean sorry i don't know our books
0:30:59have handles and that hinge you could
0:31:01either send it away or get a kid where
0:31:03you can unscrew the hinge and attach a
0:31:06little you know metal handle to it
0:31:08I yeah I don't really I don't worry i
0:31:12believe it might have been the first mac
0:31:14to also have a superdrive as i recall
0:31:17yeah I think you're right yeah i'll
0:31:18leave because i remember i was quite IDK
0:31:20i loaded up back in that is what 2001 I
0:31:24want to does one or 12 2001 yeah that's
0:31:26like go ahead and turn brought up and
0:31:30shout any elements you can do that to
0:31:31oxygen with all right good good job Jeff
0:31:37they know another no other favorite
0:31:39favorite elements
0:31:40ok our vidiyum al any of the day
0:31:44ok dance breaks what do you have a virus
0:31:47or third-round right we're in the third
0:31:48rise have the hell ninth moving to what
0:31:51they have we may have a fourth-round are
0:31:53depending on how this goes alright so
0:31:54you know in in sports like me too late
0:31:56around sometimes teams will be like okay
0:31:57we're okay i'm gonna use this this on a
0:31:59sentimental this guy's tried really hard
0:32:01you know
0:32:02ok so that's the best place rafting the
0:32:04general managers grand sight exact or
0:32:06not are so so I'm going to draft the the
0:32:09powermac gt3 all in 10
0:32:13don't do that enrolling for smaller okay
0:32:16yeah hold the bolt that's what we called
0:32:18it so if this is kind of a forgotten Mac
0:32:21it was a brand new mac it was the imac
0:32:23before the ivory amps before the imac
0:32:26debuted so here you are here your
0:32:29sharpness botanist spotlight for five
0:32:31weeks and it was only available to
0:32:33education so most people didn't even
0:32:35know it existed but it's become sort of
0:32:38these uh this this forgotten mac and a
0:32:41lot of people think the imac is sort of
0:32:43the this is the computer that showed
0:32:45that did the change you know jobs came
0:32:47back here is the imac everything's
0:32:48different
0:32:49I contend that the molar was the start
0:32:53of that but you know so it was it was it
0:32:56had a translucent top so well let me
0:32:59back so it was it showed where Apple was
0:33:02going at the same time showing how
0:33:04horrible things were at Apple 24 it was
0:33:07staged it was baby with a translucent
0:33:09top that made no sense it was a it
0:33:14looked like it looked huge molar yeah so
0:33:16it had inside it had ide and scuzzy they
0:33:21had to hard ride through to whatever we
0:33:25got we got what we got Tom it had three
0:33:27PCI slots in a wall and one imac type
0:33:31thing it had a in an upgradeable
0:33:34processor and upgradeable I mean it was
0:33:36like all the complaints about the old
0:33:38Apple let's see how many things we can
0:33:39throw in this and name it horribly with
0:33:42the new Apple where let's make it all
0:33:44around and start to use plastic and
0:33:46things they had all the old insides and
0:33:47then they gave it to Jonathan Ive and
0:33:49he's like what the hell they will help
0:33:50you with that doesn't come to do
0:33:52something this is easy right
0:33:53I mean I could I could make it look at
0:33:55your giant to know i was kidding i've
0:33:58got a sketch over here that always gonna
0:33:59do with and break you need this done
0:34:01quickly here just do that it's for
0:34:03education is fine right exactly and in
0:34:04your when it was actually a really good
0:34:06machine it was it lasted but that we had
0:34:08a few and are the schools i was working
0:34:10at last it was performed well it had all
0:34:12the features you like can you put this
0:34:14in
0:34:14yes you can but it was five weeks later
0:34:18they announced the imac and everybody's
0:34:19like sorry yeah sorry tooth the guy one
0:34:22pull that molar right
0:34:24that's not a sentimental pic all right
0:34:26that's a good one there's a good one
0:34:27around itself out that wasn't that was
0:34:30lower on everyone else's board but we
0:34:32see that you might use it sentimentally
0:34:34Dan you know I'm gonna I'm gonna go
0:34:36sentimental and and inspirational i used
0:34:38to read a well before I started working
0:34:41i used to read macworld and i'll get my
0:34:43issue every month and I remember the
0:34:45most exciting issue I i read was the one
0:34:47that had the I think had some other
0:34:51images of the 20th century or the one
0:34:54eating mystery man yes which had a what
0:34:57was it like an eight inch LCD something
0:35:00like seven or eight inch LCD is vertical
0:35:02ahead of it was advertised basically
0:35:04America 500 stock index taco he was
0:35:07imprisoned 5307 didn't catch on fire and
0:35:09yeah that was Ranger yeah
0:35:11blackbird yeah that's what the liner to
0:35:14your house
0:35:14yes it was a and bose speaker on it was
0:35:17delivered with it was concierge several
0:35:19river that came with its a man came to
0:35:21your house and assembled it for one of
0:35:23the few again again a pre steve jobs at
0:35:26my yes attempt by Apple to capitalize on
0:35:29this algebra but i love the idea of it
0:35:31like let Homer it looked futuristic yeah
0:35:34in a way that most max coming out that
0:35:36point we're actually just beige boxes
0:35:38let me know in some ways it was like the
0:35:40I'm what the imac would be eventually
0:35:41and that was an all-in-one using laptop
0:35:43technology to make it yes I it was
0:35:45really ahead of its time it was
0:35:47completely impractical i believe for a
0:35:49broad design perfect for our design
0:35:51video or performance
0:35:53yeah but it looked awesome and that was
0:35:56really all that matters you don't have
0:35:58it like 15 years old or whatever you
0:36:00know it was cool it was sold so poorly
0:36:01that they started giving it to like
0:36:03institutions you bought 20 you know
0:36:05computers will give you a 20th
0:36:07anniversary and please take there was a
0:36:08oh I can't remember there was a TV show
0:36:10or movie or something where somebody has
0:36:11one like in the background and just like
0:36:14and it was it see clearly there as an
0:36:16attempt of like oh this person is fancy
0:36:18because they have its pretty happy
0:36:19Anniversary Macintosh in the background
0:36:21a futuristic I never owned one
0:36:23I was really expensive to myself what
0:36:26so it's already ten thousand yeah I was
0:36:28like what you did there was no way you
0:36:30were ever gonna bite event eventually
0:36:31lowered it like 2500 and 5000 and then
0:36:34will you take this money hit that it was
0:36:36not going to find it was new it was
0:36:38yellow and it was like two yrs new 20
0:36:41years past it's but i only want the
0:36:43aspiration and and attempt behind it
0:36:46that that's a mid nineties happened in
0:36:48that she'll write was also when it was
0:36:51introduced at the keynote that was that
0:36:54was the the endless gil amelio keynote
0:36:56that that it's still going that they're
0:36:58still going to that it was endless
0:37:00because the big reveal was going to be
0:37:02that Steve Jobs was coming back to apple
0:37:04and apparently steve jobs so the story
0:37:07goes was just taking his sweet time he
0:37:09knew that amelia was out there trying to
0:37:12fill space full-time full-time full-time
0:37:14and so they they I think they they
0:37:16introduced the 20th anniversary Mac
0:37:18first and then they brought was and Jobs
0:37:21onstage and I think Amelia said
0:37:23something like and the first two or four
0:37:25you know jobs and and Wozniak and
0:37:28they're both looking like like you can
0:37:30tell jobs like seriously seriously
0:37:32you're going to voice this on me onstage
0:37:34great there is actually a circle of hell
0:37:37where it's nothing but listening to gil
0:37:38amelio and stand stickman from not just
0:37:41always about to come out from behind
0:37:43stage but he never done he never does
0:37:45that's Roberts goes on forever
0:37:47no exit alright 20th anniversary Mac
0:37:49interesting pic interesting pic serenity
0:37:52what do you have
0:37:53alright well i'm also going to go
0:37:54sentimental and i'm going to go sort of
0:37:56inspirational and my pic is the second
0:38:00generation Newton message pad on the new
0:38:04again one of those computers that we
0:38:09would probably now call a device but
0:38:11still a computer and of itself
0:38:13I hand-me-down from my father as a as
0:38:16the powerbook duo was but mostly I
0:38:19thought it was really cool because of
0:38:21the point that i have it which i think
0:38:22was 99 2000 no one knew what they were
0:38:27anymore especially not people my age so
0:38:30when I was walking around with them and
0:38:32my classmates to be like what is that
0:38:34I'm like oh well it's a computer that I
0:38:36can
0:38:37not request in my pocket but I can carry
0:38:39with me and it's the size of a book i
0:38:41can write on it
0:38:42look it recognizes my handwriting
0:38:44sometime during school time to eat up
0:38:47Martha and I because I'm a horrible
0:38:50person and I knew more about technology
0:38:53than most of my friends or classmates
0:38:55who I hated I would occasionally expound
0:38:59on what the Newton could do so I believe
0:39:01one time in history class I was sort of
0:39:04hanging out at the end of the class and
0:39:06one of my friends like what are you
0:39:08doing I'm like oh I'm using the Newton
0:39:10to capture all the notes on the board
0:39:12they'll then be digitized and i'll have
0:39:15them and I won't have to do any writing
0:39:16and of course the kids were like that's
0:39:19kind of cool
0:39:21I don't want to do any writing I'm like
0:39:22yeah well they don't make them anymore
0:39:26basically I was a jerk in middle school
0:39:28and I was with the first people to ever
0:39:30want to new and the lab now I could do
0:39:36that what you can do that that's how
0:39:37clearly ahead of my time
0:39:39alright the Newton message pad will call
0:39:42that a computer sure it's not a robot
0:39:45it's not a phone whatever whatever it is
0:39:48David what do you have to show here
0:39:49where the third round I can't believe my
0:39:51pic hasn't been picked up yet 1985 I
0:39:54went to school I had been using command
0:39:55line computers all the time and i sat in
0:39:58front of the original 128k Mac and I
0:40:01unbelievable that it has not gone injury
0:40:04for you is well I I'll tell you that
0:40:07computer changed my life when I saw that
0:40:09control panel and they had the tortoise
0:40:11and the hare it my head exploded death
0:40:14it was only with a lot of difficulty was
0:40:16able to put it back together again
0:40:17I still haven't got it all that man
0:40:19before you're not missing parts but what
0:40:21a great computer it just changed the way
0:40:24I thought about computers entirely and
0:40:25probably the reason I'm sitting here I I
0:40:27didn't couldn't afford one begged my
0:40:29parents to win by one but I went to
0:40:31school every day on my Schwinn 10-speed
0:40:33and they were nice enough to let me sit
0:40:35there for like eight hours at a time and
0:40:38place
0:40:38the computer and I didn't have to save
0:40:40the cassette tape anymore and that was
0:40:41kind of nice to what a great computer
0:40:43very cool alright I can't argue with
0:40:46that
0:40:46yeah the original 128k Mac okay it's my
0:40:49turn to go and I'm gonna go with the
0:40:51crazy pick my choices Landrieu the
0:40:54computer that runs the entire society on
0:40:57planet beta 3 in a temple you episode
0:41:00return of the archons in the original
0:41:02Star Trek wow I gotta live here or one
0:41:06of one of rainy planet-wide society
0:41:10controlling computers encountered in
0:41:12Star Trek how many people in the
0:41:13audience have heard of this computer
0:41:14ever huh
0:41:16wait 12 that was left was mistaken i
0:41:19allowed anymore plotting because they
0:41:22want to sound really cool
0:41:24oh yeah this is arkon lands on beta 3
0:41:28and and by the time the enterprise gets
0:41:30there they find that this is a strange
0:41:32oppressive mind control society run by
0:41:35sort of zombie people and at its heart
0:41:38is their leader Landrieu who appears as
0:41:40a hologram as if he was a man because
0:41:42they think perhaps he was a man in the
0:41:44past it turns out of course that
0:41:46Landrieu is in fact a computer that is
0:41:48controlling the society and you think
0:41:50well okay this is a sci-fi story they're
0:41:52going to find some way to destroy the
0:41:53computer they do but not through phasers
0:41:56or anything else they talk to the
0:41:58computer and convinced that what it's
0:41:59doing is wrong and that the best thing
0:42:01for the people of beta 3 would be if we
0:42:03would very kindly self-destruct which it
0:42:06agrees and does well done well are you
0:42:09captain kirk i knew that debate team
0:42:11would come out later that's deep catalog
0:42:13soul Andrews because how many computers
0:42:16run an entire society for hundreds of
0:42:17years
0:42:18ok there are lots if you watched our
0:42:20commander I always liked Landrieu from
0:42:23return of the archons so that's my pic
0:42:25he can run my planetary slaver society
0:42:28any day I remember lightning round we
0:42:31have time for another round or not a
0:42:33whole nother round so we're going to go
0:42:35back around one again bring out your
0:42:37backup pics jeff carlson oh these are
0:42:39all my bed I was
0:42:40now the real pics
0:42:44Oh another real pics oh I'm up I'm just
0:42:49going to be contrary to you and I'm
0:42:51going to say not in society controlling
0:42:55computers i'm gonna go real world i'm
0:42:57going to say the powerbook 109 00 i know
0:43:01you you'll even like walking shot down
0:43:03mighty 68000 processor in there
0:43:06one of the cool things about the the 100
0:43:09was it was it was very thin light they
0:43:12didn't from a trivial perspective it's
0:43:15interesting because it was actually
0:43:16built by Sony instead of instead of
0:43:18apple it it was my first laptop so
0:43:21therefore it is immediately important to
0:43:23everybody but what was really cool was
0:43:26because you know battery life was really
0:43:30quite terrible what you could do is you
0:43:33could load basically everything into a
0:43:36ramdisk and put the hard drive to sleep
0:43:39and get like an extra 30 minutes or an
0:43:42hour from the battery and so I had a
0:43:44keyboard shortcut to do that
0:43:46Wow sleep the yeah yeah good times
0:43:50so so like it was it is probably like
0:43:53like this is a writing computer it's not
0:43:54gonna really do anything more than just
0:43:56let me write but it was still that I i
0:44:00wish that i had had that when I was
0:44:02doing new newspaper stuff in college
0:44:05where I had a mat classic that i would
0:44:08put over in a big shoulder bag and ride
0:44:11my bike across campus to the newspaper
0:44:13off portable portable yeah let's say
0:44:16that that had I didn't get to the mac
0:44:18portable inside it and it was unlike all
0:44:20the other powerbooks yeah to make it to
0:44:22make a cheaper
0:44:23yeah and and built by Sony all right
0:44:25good one Dan Frank's with your last pic
0:44:26i do i was going to do the mac pro and
0:44:29then now you've got me thinking about
0:44:30laptops and I just thought of the the
0:44:33the the powerbook line then they had a
0:44:36whole series of different names pismo
0:44:38and lumbar nose with the removable the
0:44:42decide and I can't think with the
0:44:44expansion potential base yeah you can
0:44:46like today I need a hard drive
0:44:48Oh
0:44:48that don't like the g3 yeah otherwise
0:44:51yes i did his mom want that today I need
0:44:54longer battery life be gone hard drive
0:44:56here's another hard there's another
0:44:57battery and able to zip this if it is
0:44:59optical drive hard drive batteries
0:45:02it was a really cool idea and I forgot I
0:45:04even had those and at the time i love
0:45:06that was the greatest thing ever was
0:45:07there a computer in here is because that
0:45:09your pic thats thats what everyone was
0:45:11ya know what our country i'm doing a
0:45:14line as if driving right there like more
0:45:16it was lombard Wall Street pismo sure i
0:45:19think that's it
0:45:20yeah the bronze keyboard there at the
0:45:22bronze can have about have one still one
0:45:24of the board still has one of those that
0:45:26he currently uses you can use he has
0:45:29upgraded it to its maximum possible
0:45:32capacity it's a whack 2001 yeah yeah
0:45:35it's running Panther rs400 mayor's
0:45:37processor in there
0:45:38yeah and he uses it for surfing the web
0:45:42and sending emails when he's sitting on
0:45:45the couch watching television because
0:45:46about that you are not five years gonna
0:45:49hand it down to you is that
0:45:50yeah and then he'll get a book laptop
0:45:53and all right damn what do you have
0:45:56yours movie sneakers
0:45:58yes black box snackers is that a
0:46:02candidate doesn't come close ringer who
0:46:05it is the breaker in the words
0:46:09I wow that is a matte black box from
0:46:13black not the black girl back right well
0:46:16specifically anyway it's a code for its
0:46:18unique code yrc text seems like a strong
0:46:21number two no secrets cracking every
0:46:24code known to man and including the
0:46:27power grid the air traffic control the
0:46:31federal reserve any other things it's I
0:46:33have a theory that you cannot have a
0:46:36conversation with you for more than
0:46:38about 50 minutes without sneakers
0:46:40coming up its the one of the greatest
0:46:42movies ever made so yeah it is well do
0:46:45you say that like it's a bad thing
0:46:47actually earlier didn't you say my voice
0:46:49is my password in this podcast i did
0:46:51reference for standard specification
0:46:53beyond i decided not to spoil my own pic
0:46:55all right we got a couple more pics
0:46:57before we go
0:46:58serenity what do you have well i was
0:46:59gonna pick the wall street but thank you
0:47:01Frank uh-huh so i guess for my last pic
0:47:05i will have to go close to the heart and
0:47:07pick my very first mac that was my own
0:47:09that I got with as a birthday present
0:47:11and then partially with my own money
0:47:13which was the original bondi blue imac I
0:47:16good it was beautiful it was mine it was
0:47:20colorful I could run photoshop three on
0:47:24it and I got really excited i had that
0:47:27computer for pretty much two three four
0:47:31years of high school until I got a
0:47:32powerbook at the very end of that and it
0:47:35was aight i loved i love that like like
0:47:37a baby
0:47:38it was aight i am sad that i don't have
0:47:40it in my apartment right now it's in a
0:47:42garage somewhere but someday i will put
0:47:45it on display as the as the wonderful
0:47:46thing it is one of these days you're
0:47:48gonna mention you new computer in your
0:47:49father's gonna say well how about this
0:47:51body blue imac using that was already
0:47:52like it goes for a walk
0:47:54Walston yeah full circle there's still
0:47:57that if you put together the wall street
0:47:59the Bonnie Blue imac and your message
0:48:00bad you've almost got an ipad yeah very
0:48:03close
0:48:04alright David what do you have to go to
0:48:06the starship enterprise and the
0:48:08enterprise computer instructions and
0:48:11guidelines that strongly consider well
0:48:13isn't it the same one all the time I
0:48:15don't think it's always ready to
0:48:16self-destruct but stop at the last
0:48:18minute that always has nature
0:48:19it always has a very poor password
0:48:21something like X 2 35 now self-destruct
0:48:24why I borrow your shades i believe it's
0:48:2711 self-destruct one
0:48:29yes classy don't forget taking the
0:48:31shield's down yes yeah that's important
0:48:33is a remote code become do that for four
0:48:35digit number its it it's the computer to
0:48:39run any spaceship that you're going to
0:48:41drive a spaceship I would want that
0:48:43computer with major Barrett swine flu
0:48:45yeah absolutely
0:48:47yeah when it when it goes kablooey it
0:48:50calls everyone deer which is nice that's
0:48:52a nono what no it's touching yeah
0:48:54because it's about to end
0:48:56yeah all right outside you can finish it
0:48:59up
0:48:59alright well with the last pic I i was
0:49:02back the 12 inch powerbook which is the
0:49:05spiritual ancestor of the macbook air
0:49:08line which was it was underpowered and
0:49:12weird and I didn't care because it was
0:49:15it was awesome it was awesome and small
0:49:17and so much computing power and since
0:49:18most with but I'm gonna go with what
0:49:21maybe my all-time favorite mac and it is
0:49:23actually the one that I have today which
0:49:26is the 11-inch impossibly small macbook
0:49:30air got the SSD it's got that I five or
0:49:33i7 processor mines got an i7 it can do
0:49:36anything I would ever want a mac to do
0:49:39it's super powerful and it's incredibly
0:49:41time to r3 11-inch macbook air users up
0:49:44here
0:49:44yeah right now joy you have a look at
0:49:47all right
0:49:47as that our followers of Landru would
0:49:49say are you of the body anyway so we
0:49:53have we have so there's six of us four
0:49:55rounds 24 computers some of which
0:49:57actually exist in some winter it flights
0:50:00of fancy
0:50:01Hal 9000 about 9,000 is an underwater
0:50:04he's just going to kill you also kits
0:50:06are evil twin car alarms right good Lord
0:50:09was not here he would pick pockets right
0:50:11car anyway i hope that we have really
0:50:13wasted an hour of your time with our
0:50:15ridiculous pics thanks to everybody on
0:50:17my panel for being here
0:50:19David Sparkes serenity Caldwell dan
0:50:21moore and anne frank's jeff carlson I'm
0:50:23Jason Snell this has been the
0:50:24incomparable podcast live
0:50:26we'll see you next time