Roderick on the Line

Ep. 150: "Dog Beatles"

 

  this episode of Roderick online is [TS]

  sponsored by cards against humanity this [TS]

  month they asked kirby krackle to help [TS]

  me say hi to john rogers online i love [TS]

  line project online talk John [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  hello hi John hello Merlin how's it [TS]

  going [TS]

  Oh super good super good today is a [TS]

  momentous day it's thomas jefferson's [TS]

  birthday [TS]

  oh I did not know that I'm gonna write [TS]

  that down mr thomas jefferson some it's [TS]

  also our sesquicentennial episode what [TS]

  which is a great word I wish everybody [TS]

  would learn use we are seriously [TS]

  150 150 years ago we wow what forth on [TS]

  this proposition [TS]

  yeah I knew my public a new empire wore [TS]

  their heroes on both sides [TS]

  ah my daughter have you watched that the [TS]

  other night is brutal not there are a [TS]

  lot of things daughters are brutal [TS]

  oh my god we should so talk about that [TS]

  so setting star wars the site [TS]

  congratulations on your sesquicentennial [TS]

  episode Thank You Merlin congratulations [TS]

  to you my name is John centennial it's [TS]

  censored honor just to be nominated and [TS]

  share that with thomas jefferson my [TS]

  goodness knows i wasn't present at some [TS]

  point a hundred and fifty years ago 10 [TS]

  years ago exactly on this date [TS]

  Thomas Jefferson became president right [TS]

  yeah and he was responsible for the [TS]

  Northwest Passage huh which was an [TS]

  amazing a which was an amazing sort of [TS]

  contemporary it a top-40 band in the [TS]

  seventies that used to play at stewart [TS]

  Anderson's cattle company wasn't too [TS]

  much later they came out with Johnson's [TS]

  wax that's right so anyway there you go [TS]

  little history lesson for our listeners [TS]

  today [TS]

  oh my God we're helping so many people [TS]

  already 150 whoever thought you know [TS]

  what is when you when we started this [TS]

  did you think we would get 250 episodes [TS]

  John I don't think we'd get one what did [TS]

  you think that there would be people out [TS]

  there who had listened to all hundred [TS]

  and fifty episodes multiple time I think [TS]

  that comes out to about 1500 hours of [TS]

  listening time not including the ones [TS]

  that we have not released so you know [TS]

  what they say 1500 hours is what it [TS]

  takes to become an expert turns out you [TS]

  know you know Paul McCartney was the [TS]

  president for 450 years right [TS]

  yep he was that he was that he was the [TS]

  king of hamburg in atl him the kingship [TS]

  of hamburg and he said Oh II know but [TS]

  i'll be your press [TS]

  in it uh-huh and they took some speed [TS]

  and Susie looks like we've had like a [TS]

  brain hemorrhage [TS]

  Oh Sutcliffe sex with the 44th president [TS]

  the party was present with my favorite [TS]

  cartoon is right take on the number line [TS]

  hmmm imagine the the Paul didn't used to [TS]

  be the most handsome guy in the beatles [TS]

  well you know depends on what you think [TS]

  is handsome yes it's a matter of taste [TS]

  John so Stu Sutcliffe was very handsome [TS]

  in a kind of James Dean anyway which is [TS]

  I think very much what they aspire to us [TS]

  to think they all kind of look like [TS]

  Fonzie a little bit yep cool dudes James [TS]

  D dudes but Paul had that like kewpie [TS]

  doll face that if you look at young Paul [TS]

  if you look at middle Paul he's just [TS]

  he's just so beautiful all that shit you [TS]

  got alopecia you know he's like he's [TS]

  like a sweet hairless dog a sweet little [TS]

  hairless dog but you know I don't think [TS]

  of shoes as being black and I think of [TS]

  Paul as being like he's a Blackford [TS]

  creature [TS]

  oh maybe it's kind of like a rescue dog [TS]

  yeah he is a shaved up but like mushy [TS]

  face dog but i think he would have black [TS]

  fur and and and like you know creamy [TS]

  skin okay i think yeah well let's not [TS]

  work to ping pong I think he looks a [TS]

  little bit like a Chinese dog John looks [TS]

  much more like it lives in northern [TS]

  European kind of duck or maybe he could [TS]

  be an Afghan i think john is an Afghan i [TS]

  think you're right i think he's a sleek [TS]

  a sleek and sort of aloof oh my god John [TS]

  we're gonna be so rich but and then and [TS]

  not dog Beatles and then so so George [TS]

  you're just kind of a sort of a terrier [TS]

  like a oh that's good mmm he's a digger [TS]

  he's a little bit of a digger that's [TS]

  right maybe not a rather but like [TS]

  definitely somebody that's that it goes [TS]

  down a hole right buddy studies what [TS]

  this does is surprisingly not yeah happy [TS]

  as a terrier no quiet he's a quiet [TS]

  thoughtful terrier [TS]

  he's uh he said he's going down the hole [TS]

  but he's not looking for rats or Badgers [TS]

  he's looking for [TS]

  or samsara so he's alarmed he's a llama [TS]

  terrier [TS]

  ok alright i'll buy that and finally [TS]

  Ringo maybe see the thing is we want to [TS]

  make him look different enough so we [TS]

  have to cooperate the nose sorry [TS]

  english bulldog no that's that's good he [TS]

  has to have he has to have a droopy dog [TS]

  but maybe he's a basset hound running [TS]

  out for the large nose ah basset hounds [TS]

  use their noses [TS]

  that's true and then came the great beat [TS]

  i would say i would say Ringo is a [TS]

  basset hound [TS]

  okay we're gonna make so much money from [TS]

  this I feel like we've done a lot of [TS]

  work already today and we're just a few [TS]

  minutes in here I'm learning a lot about [TS]

  the entertainment business and the more [TS]

  that I learned about the more [TS]

  complicated i realize it [TS]

  that is because as I think we discussed [TS]

  a little bit in the past like nobody [TS]

  nobody wakes up then they want to be a [TS]

  publisher everybody wants to be a writer [TS]

  you don't realize you've also got yet [TS]

  editors and publishers you got marketing [TS]

  right i think there's a role for us in [TS]

  doing very little real work with other [TS]

  people's intellectual property [TS]

  hmm you know what connections John [TS]

  you're very well-connected what would [TS]

  the job description be I think we'd be [TS]

  executive producers like Stanley Thank [TS]

  You executive producer i've been i've [TS]

  been wanting that battle for a long time [TS]

  it's a it's a pretty great gig in LA I [TS]

  think it is a kind of an official thing [TS]

  that everything Marvel puts out Stanley [TS]

  is an executive producer [TS]

  executive-produce my burrito yesterday [TS]

  mmm i feel i feel like you I would I [TS]

  want to be one of those executive [TS]

  producers that shows up to every fifth [TS]

  recording session falls asleep on the [TS]

  couch wearing sunglasses it's is what [TS]

  see this is the rick rubin model of [TS]

  producing out already okay you got [TS]

  sunglasses on your land down on the [TS]

  couch nobody can tell whether you're [TS]

  asleep or not and then every once in [TS]

  awhile you raise your head up a little [TS]

  bit and you make some kind of like you [TS]

  make a gesture with one hand and say [TS]

  like more cowbell or whatever cutout [TS]

  kind of the mids and then that's not [TS]

  even he doesn't that's not an executive [TS]

  producer he actually gets the producer [TS]

  called the producer tells the engineer [TS]

  to cut the minutes [TS]

  that's right cut the mids you can you [TS]

  know what can you not 4k just not for [TS]

  Kayla [TS]

  you want a little bit of Roloffs on the [TS]

  bandwidth that's right you want to roll [TS]

  the bandwidth i totally agree and I [TS]

  think this is why it's extra super [TS]

  confusing because executive producer see [TS]

  I don't know this for sure but my [TS]

  understanding of it historically at [TS]

  least with movies was that there [TS]

  the director is the head of the creative [TS]

  team will really you know of the making [TS]

  of the film but of the creative aspects [TS]

  of putting a movie together the [TS]

  technical aspects and the producer is [TS]

  more of the logistical and if you like [TS]

  money person right and then the [TS]

  executive producer is the brother of the [TS]

  guy who gave the most amount of money to [TS]

  the movie [TS]

  okay i think that i think that makes [TS]

  sense i think but executive producer I [TS]

  think can mean you're Steven Spielberg [TS]

  and you put up a bunch of dough all [TS]

  right or i can mean you're Stanley into [TS]

  some good stuff in the early sixties [TS]

  right that's true or your Suge Knight [TS]

  and you have a pistol in your sock [TS]

  yeah you know they put in a wheelchair [TS]

  he's pretty mad about that that should [TS]

  not be there in a wheelchair they they [TS]

  put in there or he is on trial right now [TS]

  I think he's on trial yeah yeah he's [TS]

  very frustrated he had a fit some kind [TS]

  of fit in the courtroom and then they [TS]

  made him sit in a wheelchair [TS]

  it was a it he he portrayed as an [TS]

  involuntary fit [TS]

  um i already had some kind of had some [TS]

  kind of a can with my grandmother call [TS]

  connection [TS]

  yeah you got a connection like a like a [TS]

  little bit of a seizure type situation i [TS]

  don't know i'm not a not a journalist [TS]

  you're not a doctor I'm not a physician [TS]

  as you know but I felt bad for the guy [TS]

  you know you feel now you're you're [TS]

  going on record here on our podcast as [TS]

  feeling bad for shook night I don't know [TS]

  much that he didn't didn't he supposedly [TS]

  killed a rapper was at him [TS]

  uh she was supposedly killed Tupac [TS]

  saying that right Tupac he was in the [TS]

  car with two park [TS]

  oh but also he was the one that dangled [TS]

  a vanilla ice out the window of off a [TS]

  hotel balcony dangled him by his ankles [TS]

  Wow got a lot of upper body strength [TS]

  well he's a big man [TS]

  yeah a huge suit and yeah he does a lot [TS]

  of terrible things is a easy easy [TS]

  generally I think universally understood [TS]

  to be a bad man who created a lot of [TS]

  havoc but also built an empire and then [TS]

  lost it sort of the Al Capone of the [TS]

  Southern California [TS]

  music that's a good way to put it yeah [TS]

  well I mean unless we are compelled to [TS]

  four reasons industry reasons or [TS]

  violence but we would not have him on [TS]

  our people's dogs project [TS]

  no I don't think so and you know over [TS]

  the years I have been he's one of those [TS]

  people where i will i'll right al let's [TS]

  say for instance a humorous tweet i will [TS]

  write a humorous tweet that features a [TS]

  Suge Knight in some component and then [TS]

  right before i post it a little voice [TS]

  little bell rings in the back of my head [TS]

  and little voice goes are you sure you [TS]

  want to get on the wrong side of Suge [TS]

  Knight and then I always post it [TS]

  uh-huh because I say silence Bell you do [TS]

  not you I'm not afraid of some person [TS]

  who is a long way away from me who [TS]

  doesn't care about me but there is that [TS]

  little moment where I'm like he's [TS]

  exactly the type of guy that would get [TS]

  mad about it sweet and then drive all [TS]

  night and come you know burn down my [TS]

  house or something [TS]

  I know I well I am but this tells you [TS]

  how times are changin four years I had a [TS]

  lot of really good material on [TS]

  Scientology oh I wouldn't release [TS]

  because I I know with all those guys [TS]

  roll you were afraid that they were [TS]

  going to meeting you and shit movie you [TS]

  know I I like a lot of popular culture [TS]

  as it was being broadcast i followed [TS]

  along on Twitter as everyone talked [TS]

  about it but I did not see it [TS]

  well if any of a lot of spare time right [TS]

  now i would suggest reading the book the [TS]

  book is very very good and it just shows [TS]

  you like how scary these guys are [TS]

  Hodgman went through a phase where he [TS]

  was very interested in Scientology and [TS]

  acquired all these secrets videotapes [TS]

  yeah they're amazing and and then he [TS]

  made us all sit down one a couple of [TS]

  nights i was going to say one night but [TS]

  actually it was more than one night we [TS]

  all sat down at his house in Maine and [TS]

  watch Scientology videos into the middle [TS]

  of the night and their long they're very [TS]

  long there are none that are not long i [TS]

  could never quite be SH I for myself I [TS]

  was never quite certain that if this [TS]

  wasn't an elaborate hoax it's those [TS]

  things were actually real am I couldn't [TS]

  quite ever like small out [TS]

  I I got ahold of one uh I don't know [TS]

  maybe 10 years ago that was going around [TS]

  and it's one that i think it's it's the [TS]

  kind of thing that featured in the movie [TS]

  it's an event a very very large event [TS]

  that i will describe as a combination of [TS]

  the oscar awards and triumph of the will [TS]

  uh haha because there's already quite a [TS]

  lot of crossover between those events [TS]

  but instead of neil patrick harris is [TS]

  that creepy little guy what's-his-name [TS]

  David Miscavige and miss miscarriage Oh [TS]

  think burn bright blue you're gonna be [TS]

  scrubbing toilets in the trailer soon [TS]

  but you're not so now tell me you talked [TS]

  about this being ten years ago is this [TS]

  some kind of trick search to church of [TS]

  the SubGenius thing where where people [TS]

  were trading these tapes around and oh [TS]

  dear I you know I got to be honest with [TS]

  you yes kind of [TS]

  because you know it's kind of been [TS]

  internet thing for a while to to be [TS]

  interested in what's up with Scientology [TS]

  and critical of it and a what's weird [TS]

  about it though is that even just [TS]

  reading about it and even just watching [TS]

  these videos you have to get this kind [TS]

  of second-order cult feeling like I [TS]

  found myself getting a little obsessed [TS]

  with it even when I just read about it [TS]

  for a little while [TS]

  there's so much jargon I've spent an [TS]

  hour and a half just reading glossary of [TS]

  Scientology terms i don't mean to [TS]

  interrupt with with a with like some [TS]

  kind of this breaking news John I don't [TS]

  want to interrupt like it like a German [TS]

  fairy tale here now please [TS]

  but there was a fly that was pestering [TS]

  me mmm and while you were just talking [TS]

  I got up with my i took my shoe off and [TS]

  I was chasing the fly around the room [TS]

  not chasing I was patiently stalking the [TS]

  fly and fly landed in a in a place where [TS]

  he thought he was safe [TS]

  uh-huh and i dispatched the fly [TS]

  I did not kill seven with one blow I [TS]

  killed one with one blow but I feel [TS]

  pretty good about it and that and and I [TS]

  and you have my full attention i was [TS]

  listening to the to the Scientology [TS]

  thing but I also secondly you have the [TS]

  ability to hear complex information on [TS]

  study tech from me [TS]

  even as you are going into action [TS]

  literally taking care of a problem in [TS]

  real time [TS]

  that's right this is exactly what the [TS]

  people Seattle need John i was i was [TS]

  performing the roles both of Secretary [TS]

  of State and seal team six [TS]

  simultaneously oh my god there's another [TS]

  flying here I thought I don't know all [TS]

  i'm so mad right now I pull you know [TS]

  what I heard I heard you shouldn't kill [TS]

  it be because the smell of a dead bee [TS]

  attracts bees have you ever heard that [TS]

  have you ever driven across America in a [TS]

  van in the summertime [TS]

  oh well what happens is some parts of [TS]

  America you will you'll kill a lot of [TS]

  bugs [TS]

  oh yeah like the love bugs in Florida I [TS]

  kind of thing well and like in the [TS]

  Midwest they're just sometimes when [TS]

  you're just all of a sudden you are [TS]

  going through a terrain of very large [TS]

  bugs and you are killing these bugs with [TS]

  the with the front of your van until it [TS]

  is truly an end crustacean uh-huh of [TS]

  dead bugs and then you'll you'll stop [TS]

  and go into a restaurant or something [TS]

  and when you come out your van is still [TS]

  covered with gross dead bugs but then [TS]

  another layer of bees God which for [TS]

  whatever reason a reason right [TS]

  I've never researched I don't understand [TS]

  but the bees seem like carnivorous or [TS]

  something the bees are swarming the dead [TS]

  bugs maybe they may be dead bugs make a [TS]

  flower smell em I'm but there must be [TS]

  something that like sent wise attracts [TS]

  them they will have to go check it out [TS]

  or maybe they're wasps and not bees [TS]

  maybe that's wasp playing Yellow Jacket [TS]

  kind of here like eating but the the [TS]

  dead bugs but in any case like come out [TS]

  but it's very hot day I'm trying to come [TS]

  try to paint a picture of here for you [TS]

  very hot day somewhere in the Midwest [TS]

  it's 95 degrees you and the band have [TS]

  just had a couple of chicken fried [TS]

  steaks and milkshakes and now you're [TS]

  getting back in the band you got to get [TS]

  to iowa city for the big show and you [TS]

  come out and the your the front of your [TS]

  the front of your band looks like a [TS]

  looks like a panko encrusted check [TS]

  can breasts covered with bees [TS]

  that's so gross it's terrible comment if [TS]

  you don't if you're not careful getting [TS]

  into the car right you then the bees [TS]

  will get in the car and then you're [TS]

  driving across the country with like [TS]

  well you whatever Yellowjackets not [TS]

  that's not good you don't want that [TS]

  No so yes I know all about that and I [TS]

  don't like it even count the love bugs [TS]

  you know what I said the Giants they're [TS]

  like giant the flying cockroaches [TS]

  no now now where i lived in West Central [TS]

  Florida Suncoast i want to say maybe in [TS]

  springtime there's a look this up but [TS]

  there's some kind of species of insects [TS]

  that are maybe about the size of a fly [TS]

  and there they go into a meeting and [TS]

  their mating is they have intercourse [TS]

  and and fly usually over a road and your [TS]

  car is just covered with splattered [TS]

  intercourse coitus bugs [TS]

  what a way to go though right am i right [TS]

  they said I'm going to tell me up here [TS]

  they get you get special screen to put [TS]

  over your grill [TS]

  yeah yeah I mean you know there's I used [TS]

  to wonder is there anywhere in America [TS]

  that you can live that you don't have to [TS]

  have things like bugs or tornadoes [TS]

  earthquakes and I don't think there's [TS]

  anywhere you would know you travel a lot [TS]

  more than I have [TS]

  are there places you can go there are [TS]

  free of annoyance well so Alaska has no [TS]

  snakes and it has very few like [TS]

  creepy-crawly poisonous bugs but it has [TS]

  mosquitoes in a you know it prolific 'it [TS]

  mosquitoes any in the winter as well [TS]

  no no it but in the winter it has cold [TS]

  yeah [TS]

  Seattle has a nice mix of spiders [TS]

  spiders rate we have fucking spiders [TS]

  that's right so spicy apple has very few [TS]

  venomous things very few like the [TS]

  cockroaches that are here very small [TS]

  there's no like just in our eps just a [TS]

  lot of A&R reps and then massive massive [TS]

  spiders all through the fall of summer [TS]

  and fall you know California that goes [TS]

  without saying [TS]

  has every kind of pestilence [TS]

  I think Florida my twin if you take [TS]

  everything that Florida's got they got [TS]

  they got all kinds of snakes they got [TS]

  brown recluse spiders oh there are many [TS]

  varieties of cockroaches they have kind [TS]

  of have those annoying New York [TS]

  cockroaches but mostly they have a [TS]

  week's call palmetto bugs or water bugs [TS]

  was once the ones that are like you know [TS]

  excited baby's fist ya wanna hear you [TS]

  could hear water book you can we don't [TS]

  have money we don't have roaches we have [TS]

  water bugs i could maybe every kind of [TS]

  bug but again bugs camping and plus then [TS]

  you you do have tornadoes and you got [TS]

  hurricanes and you've got just the [TS]

  culture of Florida which is its own kind [TS]

  of creepy crawly right all plus [TS]

  alligators [TS]

  oh and you know what they just show up [TS]

  they just show up in neighborhoods any [TS]

  dogs that's fact that is a thing so [TS]

  every time I'm in Florida which is which [TS]

  is a surprising amount of time [TS]

  considering how long i went in this life [TS]

  without ever going to Florida [TS]

  uh-huh then I turned a corner and then [TS]

  suddenly I was in Florida all the time [TS]

  i'm always thinking that there is going [TS]

  to be an alligator [TS]

  I've never seen an alligator on the hoof [TS]

  and yet I'm there all the time and I [TS]

  walk around all the time in parks and at [TS]

  night and stuff and I'm like what [TS]

  you know I'm afraid that there's an [TS]

  alligator is going to come out of the [TS]

  bushes and I don't even know if they [TS]

  live in bushes but I'm but I'm worried [TS]

  about huh other there i was moving along [TS]

  one time and I saw one they come out of [TS]

  those you know they make this [TS]

  quote-unquote lakes [TS]

  oh yeah record with it's really just [TS]

  like for runoff from the roads or it so [TS]

  I i noticed from the air you look down [TS]

  and you're like there's not that that is [TS]

  a man-made lake there's no reason for it [TS]

  except that then they can call that [TS]

  waterfront property instead of right as [TS]

  you know in Florida every development is [TS]

  named after whatever was destroyed to [TS]

  make it so if you've got Indian Deer [TS]

  Lake uh-huh [TS]

  no more Indians nowhere gears marcus and [TS]

  and you know the the perfectly it's [TS]

  almost like you know like you get the [TS]

  kind of like California swimming pools [TS]

  that have like a very regular irregular [TS]

  shape that those Lakes look like and [TS]

  that's what the streets look like from [TS]

  the air it's it's it's really peculiar [TS]

  but now i remember i mean we have [TS]

  canonical family stories about this one [TS]

  day walking out of a beauty salon maybe [TS]

  1970 my mom there's a like an alligator [TS]

  by our car [TS]

  the digits to just show up and what do [TS]

  you do when there's an alligator by your [TS]

  car [TS]

  well try to move away and if you have to [TS]

  run zigzag because they can run 40 miles [TS]

  an hour [TS]

  did you know that most people think most [TS]

  people think you know shortest point I'm [TS]

  gonna run in a straight line not good [TS]

  those little feet that thing up to 40 [TS]

  miles an hour [TS]

  look how that's fast with it what ya and [TS]

  drag you down to their meat locker and [TS]

  flipping around where you know we we [TS]

  were were plagued for a while by moose [TS]

  in our front yard and my mom would go [TS]

  out because the thing is they would come [TS]

  in the winter and eat all of her trees [TS]

  in the missus mrs. eat tree [TS]

  yeah they do they like to eat some they [TS]

  like to eat portions of of young trees [TS]

  that you know they're they're always [TS]

  grazing grazing grazing grazing and so [TS]

  sometimes we would look out the window [TS]

  and there would be one big bull moose [TS]

  and nine different cows and Cal all in [TS]

  our front yard sound so cute i thought [TS]

  so but my mom would get very upset [TS]

  because they were eating her little [TS]

  Japanese maples or whatever she decided [TS]

  to plant the year before and so I have a [TS]

  couple of very strong images burned into [TS]

  my mind of my mom in a house coat with a [TS]

  broom running out the front door and and [TS]

  swatting the Moose she confronted the [TS]

  mousse with the brown yeah and she [TS]

  struck the moose [TS]

  well no Swiss walking at them swell [TS]

  pushing at them like a like a like a [TS]

  scoot scoot motion right well what kind [TS]

  of sweeten their moves are like a [TS]

  particularly the bowls like 70 feet also [TS]

  meet all the shoulder and let me tell [TS]

  you there is no thing more hilarious [TS]

  than the look of complete blase on the [TS]

  face of a moose when confronted by a [TS]

  woman in a housecoat like they would [TS]

  stand there [TS]

  just slowly chewing her trees down to [TS]

  the nub completely unfazed and she would [TS]

  be going scat scat and swishing this [TS]

  broom at them and they would this they [TS]

  would look over their shoulder it would [TS]

  take them a full minute just to turn [TS]

  their head they were so bored [TS]

  oh ok that was driven your mom nuts over [TS]

  even crazier and i'm standing on the [TS]

  front porch you know completely just [TS]

  doubled over in laughter and really [TS]

  unwilling to join the fight right she's [TS]

  like she's like get this broom come help [TS]

  me and I'm like I refuse [TS]

  I think every guy i think that every [TS]

  summer we should plant trees and and [TS]

  nurture them all summer long just as [TS]

  most food just to recreate this this [TS]

  drama every winter it was truly a [TS]

  wonderful thing to behold but i imagine [TS]

  if you came out of your house and there [TS]

  was a alligator in your front yard even [TS]

  your Japanese maple you would be less [TS]

  inclined to try sweeping away [TS]

  here's the thing i lived in Florida for [TS]

  a really long time and i have over the [TS]

  years as you know John I'm trying to [TS]

  grow as a person and so I don't want to [TS]

  just beat up on florida it's just go [TS]

  forward uh gives us so much to beat it [TS]

  up about your doesn't seem to mind [TS]

  you're very careful to always refer to [TS]

  your part of florida as the suncoast [TS]

  which is I think very generous of you [TS]

  who you know that's like the sign that [TS]

  they put up on the interstate highway [TS]

  announcing like you're now in during the [TS]

  suncoast and you're always good about [TS]

  that branding I think Florida as your [TS]

  denigrated thank you [TS]

  I you know I want to be I want to have I [TS]

  want to provide a rounded view but I [TS]

  mean here's one thing I think this was [TS]

  an office for pasco county writ large i [TS]

  think it was for new port richey in [TS]

  particular which is where i went to [TS]

  junior high school and you know how [TS]

  every every city has like a slogan and [TS]

  you know you see that on the cop cars [TS]

  you see it on the official signs and [TS]

  stuff like that and you don't really [TS]

  notice it until you notice it [TS]

  do you know what new port richey is [TS]

  slogan is a gateway to recreation [TS]

  mm-hmm at first at first that sounds [TS]

  really good but you realize the gateway [TS]

  to recreation [TS]

  it's sort of like you know what there's [TS]

  not a lot here but once you pass through [TS]

  here you'll be might find something [TS]

  that's just right over the next rise but [TS]

  there are no rises in florida now now [TS]

  its permit flat [TS]

  have we have we talked about mega [TS]

  tsunamis I don't think so now i I'm I'm [TS]

  pretty freaked out about a tsunami [TS]

  tsunami is kind of like a not a perfect [TS]

  storm that's too clich├ęd but a tsunami [TS]

  is kind of like multiple problematic [TS]

  weather events all wrapped in one right [TS]

  it isn't it isn't like just you get [TS]

  hurricane in a hurricane plus an [TS]

  earthquake right uh well let's see i [TS]

  mean you could have a mega tsunami that [TS]

  was generated by an earthquake far far [TS]

  away so you didn't actually come from [TS]

  earthquakes to yes she's just so if [TS]

  there's an earthquake 100 in japan it [TS]

  could create a wave so large it's like [TS]

  my daughter sloshing around in the tub [TS]

  and making super waves [TS]

  that's right you get the cycles right [TS]

  right you do you go a little bit with [TS]

  the water and you start going to get the [TS]

  water then you go with the water again [TS]

  it's all over the floor and I gotta [TS]

  clean it up [TS]

  that's exactly what would happen with [TS]

  the ocean and your you know your [TS]

  location there your undisclosed location [TS]

  there somewhere on the California coast [TS]

  is no it's fine of up he'll have to be a [TS]

  big tsunami but mega tsunami our place [TS]

  with good thinking about pancaking oh [TS]

  yeah right because here just built on [TS]

  front while on well you were built as [TS]

  part of san francisco this is not [TS]

  interesting but probably big part of the [TS]

  whole giant western part of san [TS]

  francisco nobody's ever been to where I [TS]

  live is just sand dunes [TS]

  yeah there's any place you don't you [TS]

  like the marina is built on wrecked [TS]

  ships [TS]

  well that's true in seattle to there was [TS]

  a big part or were all the sports [TS]

  stadiums are here [TS]

  yeah was originally just where we put [TS]

  our poop right and then later auto [TS]

  dealerships and then dealer then write [TS]

  the auto dealerships came in and then [TS]

  there was I think there was a [TS]

  Hooverville there for awhile and little [TS]

  by little we just threw all of our [TS]

  broken furniture and dead horses into [TS]

  the mud pond and pretty soon it was like [TS]

  you know what would look good there is a [TS]

  baseball stadium so I think that's part [TS]

  of the evolution of every city [TS]

  yeah just have a you have a poop hole [TS]

  grow some dead horses in it and then [TS]

  build a baseball [TS]

  Stadium autumn malls are good canary in [TS]

  the coal mine though it's always [TS]

  interesting how they're all in the same [TS]

  place you know that [TS]

  yeah because people when they're [TS]

  shopping for cars they just want to [TS]

  drive down one lone research I think [TS]

  it's kind of like a Disney World type [TS]

  situation where you know history disney [TS]

  world now get your way off topic but [TS]

  disney world you know they went in and [TS]

  the most of the reedy creek development [TS]

  group i think it was called based on [TS]

  this nominal little creek there but they [TS]

  went in the Disney Corporation went in [TS]

  under all these different like shadow [TS]

  organization all companies that's how [TS]

  they were able to get so much land for [TS]

  so cheap right because i think we oughta [TS]

  malls work like that too they just go [TS]

  where nobody else wants to go right [TS]

  because if they had done and said hi [TS]

  We're disney and were built were buying [TS]

  up land there would have been some [TS]

  holdout person it was like I want a [TS]

  million dollars and all the trees [TS]

  well so the wonderful thing about [TS]

  Florida as it relates to the mega [TS]

  tsunami is alway across the Atlantic off [TS]

  of the coast of africa in the Canary [TS]

  Islands there is an unstable sort of [TS]

  volcanic face of a matter of a of an [TS]

  island and the island has over the years [TS]

  sort of created an unstable pneus to [TS]

  itself either through volcanic action or [TS]

  erosion so that is a giant sort of [TS]

  mountain that is that has a you know [TS]

  that the entire sort of west face of [TS]

  this mountain is at an angle that is too [TS]

  steep to support its own weight [TS]

  this is the theory ok excuse me and that [TS]

  in the in the grand tradition of a of [TS]

  leonard nimoy ever it is only a matter [TS]

  of time before the entire Mountain [TS]

  collapses into the sea and when that [TS]

  happens it could potentially or will [TS]

  absolutely depending on which television [TS]

  program you're watching create a 300 [TS]

  foot tall tsunami wave [TS]

  that goes all the way across the [TS]

  Atlantic Ocean and as you know there is [TS]

  nothing in Florida taller than 300 feet [TS]

  no no I mean I think New Orleans it was [TS]

  famously below sea level a lot of [TS]

  Florida is at sea level at sea level [TS]

  right and what is like not a lot of [TS]

  tolerance there [TS]

  what's the tallest point in Florida 13 [TS]

  there's gotta be like that 3 amount [TS]

  mount deer lake right mount Indian deer [TS]

  lake that day like always point I'm just [TS]

  gonna put this into the computer right [TS]

  now in hollister flooring or did Todd's [TS]

  point in Florida [TS]

  let's freakin Hill that there's a list [TS]

  of highest point sugarloaf mountain so [TS]

  Britain hill is 345 Felix that look at [TS]

  that it's like pretty much all right [TS]

  it's just really Alabama it's not even [TS]

  really Florida all right it's all the [TS]

  way up there [TS]

  oh my gosh 300 c300 second highest point [TS]

  sugarloaf mountain and Britain he'll [TS]

  bring Helen up and look at 345 feet [TS]

  that's right so so let's imagine now a [TS]

  300-foot tsunami away from the Canary [TS]

  Islands slowly making its way across the [TS]

  Atlantic Ocean with the canary islands [TS]

  of collapsed and we are all aware that [TS]

  this tsunami waves coming now the [TS]

  tsunami wave is also going to inundate [TS]

  charleston and savannah and New York [TS]

  City and it's just it's going to be a [TS]

  wave of devastation but Florida uniquely [TS]

  has nowhere to run and so all the people [TS]

  in New York City are frantically [TS]

  scrambling sort of like at the beginning [TS]

  of world war z they're all trying to get [TS]

  in there stolen Winnebagos and drive [TS]

  inland there's a lot of places even [TS]

  though that is also i know it's [TS]

  technically peninsula is an island but [TS]

  there's still places to go you can still [TS]

  go upstate or something [TS]

  yeah you gotta just go go i mean i you [TS]

  know i'm not sure if I were down in [TS]

  lower Manhattan maybe i would just go up [TS]

  a skyscraper and feel like well uh maybe [TS]

  this way we'll just hit the skyscraper [TS]

  really hard but not knocking that'll be [TS]

  fine they make this pretty strong now [TS]

  yeah they're strong right who but in [TS]

  Florida there is nowhere to go and so [TS]

  how many minutes [TS]

  let's ask the computer how many millions [TS]

  of people are in florida and i'll tell [TS]

  you i will tell you that somebody who at [TS]

  one point I had lived in Tallahassee [TS]

  which is very near georgia and I had [TS]

  family as you say back on the Suncoast [TS]

  that was a if I honor the law that was a [TS]

  four-hour drive but like driving to the [TS]

  east coast like trying to get out of [TS]

  like palm beach or even god Miami pump [TS]

  each that's going to be eight hours to [TS]

  get out of the state [TS]

  really yes it's like an eight-hour Drive [TS]

  it's a it's a here's the other thing [TS]

  there's a funny thing is every dumb [TS]

  spring break kid goes let's go to Key [TS]

  West and so you drive you get in your [TS]

  car in in lutz or elfers and you start [TS]

  driving [TS]

  oh you start driving you drive you drive [TS]

  won't holy shit this is a really long [TS]

  drive you finally hit the end of Florida [TS]

  you're lucky a key west like no sorry [TS]

  Johnny [TS]

  now you get to the real part like we've [TS]

  got to get to key west which is like [TS]

  just super slow [TS]

  it's a really long drive this is a good [TS]

  point John this is that's that is so did [TS]

  you know i'm learning this from [TS]

  wikipedia which is never wrong [TS]

  there was a mega tsunami know about the [TS]

  this is in your parents lifetime Lituya [TS]

  Bay Alaska 1958 that's right you know [TS]

  about this i do whether it's exactly the [TS]

  type same type of situation a big [TS]

  landslide a giant landslide at the head [TS]

  of left the two-year bay alaska caused [TS]

  by an earthquake generated away with an [TS]

  initial amplitude of up to one thousand [TS]

  seven hundred and twenty feet highest [TS]

  wave ever recorded mhm and there is a [TS]

  person and not even a small bag packed [TS]

  holy shit there's a there there there is [TS]

  a guy who claims to have been on a boat [TS]

  on that Bay and it lifted him up and [TS]

  took him up the side of a mountain and [TS]

  then brought him back down and he [TS]

  survived [TS]

  mmm 1,700 feet that's like from here to [TS]

  the safeway that's pretty that's pretty [TS]

  that's a lot of feet jobs a big wave if [TS]

  you imagine that there's nothing in [TS]

  Florida taller than 300 feet 1,700 feet [TS]

  is really really a big way you'll be [TS]

  okay for a couple minutes but but you [TS]

  know Florida I'm now discovering again [TS]

  through the internet that Florida is the [TS]

  third most populous state in the union [TS]

  with 19 almost 20 million people [TS]

  so now we're California New York [TS]

  California Texas what's the second you [TS]

  know Texas has got a lot of people in it [TS]

  california has the same size economy as [TS]

  Italy turns out and got a lot of people [TS]

  who was second [TS]

  well let's see let's go most policy of [TS]

  popular states of population of states i [TS]

  guess Texas is going to be right in [TS]

  there at California Texas Florida that's [TS]

  right in New York is for California's 37 [TS]

  million people that's insane this should [TS]

  be five states no question maybe [TS]

  balkanize there's nobody much million30 [TS]

  almost 40 million people John I think [TS]

  you know i'm all for diversity [TS]

  yeah but like stockton and Eureka and [TS]

  San Francisco and San Diego should not [TS]

  be in the same state [TS]

  no it's true though should be there [TS]

  should be in different states there are [TS]

  40 million people in the UK right i mean [TS]

  Germany has 60 million people in and and [TS]

  and France says 40 million or the UK as [TS]

  40 million something like that I'm not [TS]

  adorable i know i'm sitting and looking [TS]

  at the internet right now but I'm not [TS]

  going to just sit and talk about the [TS]

  Internet [TS]

  no but anyway I want I want you to [TS]

  picture the 20 million people in Florida [TS]

  all trying to figure out what they're [TS]

  gonna do as a as a 300-foot wave [TS]

  approaches some of them are going to get [TS]

  in there big boats and head toward the [TS]

  way which I think would be the smart [TS]

  move [TS]

  that's the Christian thing to do trade [TS]

  some of them are going to try and get [TS]

  over to Tampa and that way was just [TS]

  gonna just gonna be right on their heels [TS]

  right [TS]

  don't you think it just crack off and go [TS]

  right off the foundation just crack off [TS]

  and become an island I think that would [TS]

  be that hard to do [TS]

  yeah i mean i think that would only [TS]

  hanging on Jonna parts it's pretty [TS]

  skinny [TS]

  I think that it would I think it would I [TS]

  think this wave would go across it and [TS]

  like maybe a few days later the water [TS]

  would subside and scour all of the you [TS]

  know all of the sort of roadside [TS]

  flat-roofed one-story malls and you know [TS]

  going to be a clean slate and we just [TS]

  get back to dooms uh-huh and we could [TS]

  start all over again build a railroad [TS]

  down there [TS]

  you know Thomas Edison and PT Barnum [TS]

  coming downhill the hotel sure the [TS]

  parents the Bears will come down we [TS]

  should get our friend physicist grant [TS]

  Balfour involved in this hisa he knows a [TS]

  lot about floor and he's been their most [TS]

  of his life [TS]

  yeah he's a he's one of the great [TS]

  Floridians and also a physicist and an [TS]

  editor and scientists yeah yeah he [TS]

  should be he should you know where we've [TS]

  been talking about our other yeah our [TS]

  other Enterprise I can be tough to deal [TS]

  with what you're up to but i'm telling [TS]

  you we can help a lot of people by [TS]

  talking to grant isn't there is nothing [TS]

  that i am up to that would preclude a [TS]

  enterprise right that is the foundation [TS]

  of of America oh my god John that brings [TS]

  us to an important point our [TS]

  conversation em they're into things [TS]

  there are two fucking things [TS]

  well we are going to cover today okay [TS]

  one of them is I would absolutely to [TS]

  hear an update on how things are going [TS]

  with that with with your latest venture [TS]

  and you sure as shit know I'm gonna get [TS]

  my chicken recipe today I'm so excited [TS]

  to see if you see the Fox popular people [TS]

  are people are losing they want to know [TS]

  they say I love chicken I like cooking [TS]

  well enough to give me a life-changing [TS]

  thought technology and cooking chicken [TS]

  well this is the thing that I can this [TS]

  is a little bit of context that I can [TS]

  provide for the listeners although you [TS]

  have introduced me to multiple food [TS]

  thought technologies including making [TS]

  bacon in the oven before including [TS]

  before it was called the bacon method [TS]

  for it was called that'll make a big [TS]

  deal about a problem doing that for [TS]

  years [TS]

  yeah you you introduce that to me I over [TS]

  a decade ago and it blew my mind at the [TS]

  time you also introduced me to the [TS]

  concept of a weekend morning dimsum [TS]

  eaten in large quantities ordering dim [TS]

  sum in quantities you cannot possibly [TS]

  think that you're gonna finish and then [TS]

  just doing it [TS]

  I've never not finished the dim sum but [TS]

  also you have to credit you with the wet [TS]

  weather you specifically a it gave me [TS]

  this not technology or whether you [TS]

  planted the seed that develop that [TS]

  developed into this thought technology [TS]

  but i believe i got the make all the [TS]

  bacon [TS]

  philosophy from you that's so [TS]

  interesting it's like calculus like [TS]

  everybody can figure it out about the [TS]

  same time [TS]

  mhm i do them now I think we got it we [TS]

  got the way by the big zip locks and [TS]

  make all the noodles all the great [TS]

  noodle that's right all the news and I'm [TS]

  not sure whether whether or whether we [TS]

  we we just both arrived at that together [TS]

  or whether that is part of our like [TS]

  american heritage or what it is but you [TS]

  are not a person who makes half a pot of [TS]

  coffee [TS]

  let's just put it down right when it's [TS]

  time when it's time to make another pot [TS]

  of coffee you make an entire pot of [TS]

  coffee and yeah and you know and [TS]

  sometimes I sometimes somebody will be [TS]

  like you know I can make some coffee you [TS]

  know they'll be at my house and I'll [TS]

  make some coffee i'm sure go ahead make [TS]

  some coffee and they make one of you [TS]

  know they make like four cups of car [TS]

  like toy coffee and i'm playing what are [TS]

  you doing huh what the all of that work [TS]

  you put all of that that you put all [TS]

  that English on it and you're just [TS]

  getting four cups of coffee out of it [TS]

  no it'sit's just total waste time and [TS]

  especially for somebody like yourself [TS]

  he's not afraid to take coffee has been [TS]

  sitting there for a couple days and take [TS]

  it on the road and drink it [TS]

  hello because I I actually happen to [TS]

  think that whatever that mold is the [TS]

  develops on coffee [TS]

  yeah in the first few days it just has a [TS]

  kind of psychoactive quality it's not [TS]

  all the way to like oh this is terrible [TS]

  it's just a little bit just puts a [TS]

  little bit of this a little spin on [TS]

  probably probably laughed at the first [TS]

  guy who ate an oyster the first the [TS]

  first gal who had a mushroom [TS]

  yeah in your case you you're enjoying [TS]

  coffee mushrooms the first person that [TS]

  hated peanuts so much that they turned [TS]

  the match them so hard that it turned [TS]

  into peanut butter [TS]

  yes exactly i hate these peanuts [TS]

  delicious peanut sauce i think that was [TS]

  I mean I made a joke at you the other [TS]

  day about George Washington Carver who I [TS]

  still just remember so much because it [TS]

  was the first biography ever read as a [TS]

  child I think with you the one that [TS]

  great at the peanut gym right [TS]

  whoo that's right that's right it was a [TS]

  it was think he's revolutionized the [TS]

  South irritable to make ashtrays [TS]

  rearview mirrors he may actually make [TS]

  peanuts out of sweet potatoes jimmy [TS]

  carter got elected on the strength of [TS]

  that platform crack corn and it was an [TS]

  amazing time [TS]

  mother mother of invention that's right [TS]

  now yeah there's so many things and I [TS]

  mean that's the kind of innovation you [TS]

  know we're talking about here I mean you [TS]

  know in Alaska that might be moose but [TS]

  you know you got to take what there's a [TS]

  lot of in my case that's noodle [TS]

  and I make it all so I you know you [TS]

  remember a time and I surely remember [TS]

  time because I'm the one introducing the [TS]

  topic [TS]

  yeah when swizzle sticks were a major [TS]

  feature on the American landscape [TS]

  swizzles I said like the red vines [TS]

  competitor no no swizzle sticks are the [TS]

  little plastic like a drink stirrer like [TS]

  rock candy on that kind of thing that's [TS]

  right a drink stirrer but for a long [TS]

  time there in American history [TS]

  swizzle sticks were were an item of [TS]

  schwag you would go into the collective [TS]

  as a kid that's right you go into the [TS]

  bar they put a little swizzle stick in [TS]

  your drink to stir your drink but this [TS]

  will stick with it would be embossed [TS]

  with the name of the bar and some for [TS]

  the airline I had delta airlines ones [TS]

  that were really cool they had a big [TS]

  logo on the end and so it was very cool [TS]

  it was very popular collect collector [TS]

  item you try to mass an enormous [TS]

  collection of swizzle sticks from around [TS]

  the world and i'm sure out there in [TS]

  America right now there are swizzlestick [TS]

  collections just sitting on man pooling [TS]

  it right now right and i look for them [TS]

  in thrift stores all the time that i'm [TS]

  going to find somebody's swizzlestick [TS]

  collection I've never found one but in [TS]

  the seventies there were swizzle sticks [TS]

  everywhere and the reason I bring this [TS]

  up is that in Alaska it was very [TS]

  possible very popular i wanted the big [TS]

  tourist sellers in the seventies was a [TS]

  moose turd which as you know looks [TS]

  exactly like one of those little [TS]

  chocolate Easter eggs wrapped in foil [TS]

  except made out of compacted grass so a [TS]

  little moose turd and they would dip the [TS]

  moose turd in polyurethane and then put [TS]

  it on a swizzle stick [TS]

  what so the moose turd swizzle sticks [TS]

  were a big big item i'm sure that there [TS]

  are tens of thousands of moose turd [TS]

  swizzle sticks and they call the Moose [TS]

  nuggets because nobody likes to buy [TS]

  something with the word turd in it but [TS]

  moose nugget swizzlestick big big item [TS]

  it was you could get it in any airport [TS]

  in many it was this tempting like I'm [TS]

  leave [TS]

  in Alaska I didn't get presents for [TS]

  anybody haha look at this moose nuggets [TS]

  little sticks I'll get one for the whole [TS]

  family [TS]

  so that was a major export before we I [TS]

  mean sort of [TS]

  after gold but before Oriole [TS]

  right-hander shared goals and that was a [TS]

  big deal and there was this interregnum [TS]

  where there was like oh shit Johnny's [TS]

  all these are horrible the other that [TS]

  well my god they look like it's almost [TS]

  get to like not see pop but it really [TS]

  looks like poop on a stick so then been [TS]

  using the pet rock theorem then people [TS]

  were like oh if we can put a moose [TS]

  nugget on a swizzle stick [TS]

  who wouldn't want moose nugget ear rings [TS]

  and then you could buy moose nugget [TS]

  earrings now picture in tight a keyring [TS]

  picture someone coming up becoming a [TS]

  meeting you for a blind date and she is [TS]

  wearing moose nugget earrings but it was [TS]

  a it was very popular item at the time [TS]

  that just says local gal the next the [TS]

  nineteen seventies were very unusual era [TS]

  so anyway [TS]

  swizzle sticks ice i miss them sometimes [TS]

  I wonder like whatever happened [TS]

  yeah that's a really good question [TS]

  things kind of my one is cost-cutting [TS]

  where like if you could have a little [TS]

  dinky straw [TS]

  maybe that's maybe something now we're [TS]

  like the economies of scale to making [TS]

  dinky little straw has gotten so big [TS]

  that you don't need an extra little [TS]

  stick it's like more excuse to keep in [TS]

  stock but then it's also the mcdonalds [TS]

  problem and I don't know if this is true [TS]

  i think this is probably it turns out [TS]

  thing but you know people supposedly you [TS]

  know mcdonald's to make a pretty sweet [TS]

  little swizzle stick oh that's right [TS]

  with the little em on the topic was had [TS]

  a beautiful golden like was white but [TS]

  had the arches on one end and what did [TS]

  have at the other end [TS]

  uh-oh and had like a hamburglar no no [TS]

  had a tiny had a tiny tiny spoon it did [TS]

  have a spoon it was adorable it was this [TS]

  tiny spoon and so my primary use for [TS]

  those was a yeah my primary you see [TS]

  exactly are you here you've got it [TS]

  my primary use was if you hold a rubber [TS]

  band between your thumb and middle [TS]

  finger and put the arches into the [TS]

  rubber band pull back that shit off like [TS]

  50 feet you can really harm a person [TS]

  with one now it's like a little homemade [TS]

  level will hand crossbow a hand crossbow [TS]

  yep but I die [TS]

  no you know it now again this is the way [TS]

  America works and this is what needs to [TS]

  change I want to get back to your [TS]

  campaign but this is the problem is that [TS]

  i think the story was that the I bet [TS]

  it's one of those second-order urban [TS]

  myths that things we're like so wait so [TS]

  you're going to use a mcdonalds stirred [TS]

  a snort cocaine like I bet people heard [TS]

  that and then they had to get rid of it [TS]

  because now the urban myth was bigger [TS]

  than the thing [TS]

  yeah i guess it was exactly the kind of [TS]

  little dimensions of of of of a coke [TS]

  spoon [TS]

  yeah maybe that's where they where they [TS]

  derived the design of coke spoons huh [TS]

  you know like you know you should get an [TS]

  egg chicken you know i'm malcolm [TS]

  gladwell so how boy so many things have [TS]

  changed in our lives that the other day [TS]

  you sent me a beautiful picture of a [TS]

  deluxe VHS set of it was classic the [TS]

  classic world war two d-day invasion [TS]

  movie what I think it's got to be it [TS]

  sounds like it's like intellectually one [TS]

  of your favorite movies but it's also [TS]

  like you and your dad used to watch this [TS]

  movie right [TS]

  the longest day the longest day an [TS]

  amazing film an all-star cast and really [TS]

  like a lot of what's amazing about the [TS]

  longest days there are a lot of comedic [TS]

  actors in it playing dramatic roles [TS]

  right like red buttons isn't how right [TS]

  he plays it straight and there's a lot [TS]

  of there's a lot of planets straight [TS]

  happening and it's one of those like [TS]

  it's one of those all-star cast swear [TS]

  you you feel like oh this is one of [TS]

  those Brad Pitt movies where everybody [TS]

  and their mom is in it and it's just [TS]

  going to be terrible but in fact like [TS]

  these people show up these famous famous [TS]

  actors show up and do kind of small [TS]

  parts before they were super famous some [TS]

  of them women already famous you get [TS]

  John Wayne Henry Fonda robert mitchum [TS]

  right but then you got you got a very [TS]

  young sean connery three a young richard [TS]

  burton he believed that and everybody [TS]

  just like act in their pants off and [TS]

  it's a big budget film and unlike later [TS]

  world war two movies they still had [TS]

  access to all the actual hardware [TS]

  right so it's not it's not like a lot of [TS]

  those a lot of the later world war two [TS]

  movies like there will be planes flying [TS]

  over all the time but if you are [TS]

  somebody I'm not gonna say like you but [TS]

  if you're in kind of person that could [TS]

  tell every everything that's ever [TS]

  existed by its shape if you had sort of [TS]

  person if you're the type of person like [TS]

  me who is looking at the planes in those [TS]

  scenes instead of what the actors are [TS]

  doing underneath you will begin to [TS]

  notice that they only have three planes [TS]

  and they keep flying them by in [TS]

  different configurations like here comes [TS]

  one plane and now there's three planes [TS]

  but that the first plane is in the [TS]

  little group of 32 and you're just like [TS]

  and a particularly when they use the [TS]

  wrong plane like here come the Germans [TS]

  wait a minute that's their flying piper [TS]

  cubs like rice very frustrating that [TS]

  what should be like I don't know like in [TS]

  the war seems like they've got toy guns [TS]

  like you would look at that and get that [TS]

  doesn't even make any sense that the [TS]

  consumer plane and I don't want to be I [TS]

  don't want to be one of those Civil War [TS]

  reenactors that's like that's the wrong [TS]

  belt buckle [TS]

  the problem is if you know a lot about a [TS]

  thing it's kinda hard not to be that guy [TS]

  yeah right you're just sort of like oh [TS]

  this is a disappointment and part of the [TS]

  disappointment is when I realized they [TS]

  only have three planes i also realized [TS]

  like oh those are the only three f4u [TS]

  corsairs left in existence in 1962 and [TS]

  that makes me very sad I'm so sad but in [TS]

  the during the longest day right they [TS]

  were selling all that military hardware [TS]

  like you could go buy a p40 tomahawk for [TS]

  fourteen dollars if you could just get [TS]

  the gas in it you know and and so [TS]

  they're made the American this movie and [TS]

  it's just like wow I mean I'm sure there [TS]

  were a lot of people on the set that we [TS]

  had actually been at d-day and they were [TS]

  just working as gaffers or something on [TS]

  the you know like it its it's impressive [TS]

  yeah and state state the obvious but i [TS]

  think this is very interesting also [TS]

  people who were some of whom were just [TS]

  about little young maybe but just about [TS]

  the age where they might have even [TS]

  served in world war two or at least have [TS]

  been in the Army at some point [TS]

  are you kidding i think everybody in [TS]

  that movie was yeah right i miss my [TS]

  family [TS]

  uh well you know he served in other ways [TS]

  he he had a he had a he had a hernia [TS]

  herniated disc [TS]

  oh no really no I don't think so no I [TS]

  think he just I think it took away from [TS]

  the smoking time I think he's just a [TS]

  shirker a layabout a goldbrick but [TS]

  because the longer you call john wayne i [TS]

  linger you know I don't know I just feel [TS]

  like 62 that was John Wayne's you know [TS]

  that was like he was even a little bit [TS]

  past his oh yeah i did stagecoach and I [TS]

  think 1939 right and you know he could [TS]

  have done he could have done a benny [TS]

  goodman he could have gone out and and [TS]

  and played the trombone about foreplay [TS]

  Miller's our client Miller right gonna [TS]

  see now look I was just that guy with [TS]

  you nobody would have fucking care that [TS]

  you said Benny Goodman but I i know it's [TS]

  good milord I good miller played the [TS]

  trombone and benny goodman played the [TS]

  clarinet you know what John in some ways [TS]

  modern man modern life and especially [TS]

  modern manhood is just deciding which [TS]

  subset of things you're going to be [TS]

  insufferable about actually there's a [TS]

  space in OS 10 / 30 i sense that sense [TS]

  that declaring for public office I've [TS]

  gotten into a few long conversations [TS]

  with people on the internet where which [TS]

  are very much in the spirit of that like [TS]

  well did you ever consider blankety [TS]

  blankety blank and I'm learning had [TS]

  learning that I need to really really [TS]

  really really choose how long of a [TS]

  conversation I'm going to have on [TS]

  facebook messenger because you know I i [TS]

  had eliminated facebook almost do you [TS]

  have facebook you're running for office [TS]

  my god that had not even occurred to me [TS]

  yeah so I had to get for your halloween [TS]

  off it pretty good i would have felt [TS]

  good I i just used you know i ported [TS]

  over my tweets over there so if people [TS]

  that I went to high school with that [TS]

  didn't have twitter if they wanted to [TS]

  hear my thoughts which none of them did [TS]

  but if that they were there right but [TS]

  now I had tried to download the facebook [TS]

  app to my phone and then I had to follow [TS]

  through on their whole like scheme to [TS]

  get me to download messenger which is [TS]

  and just organize the wrap these two [TS]

  have one up another got a bunch apps [TS]

  right and they're just the worst they're [TS]

  all the worst and it's just the worst [TS]

  place that's not as bad as LinkedIn but [TS]

  it's [TS]

  pretty bad and so now I'm over there and [TS]

  people want to message me somebody [TS]

  messaged me the other day that was just [TS]

  like trying to get list me in some sort [TS]

  of a like sex scheme it's just it's too [TS]

  it's an awful environment for the for [TS]

  the for the public good [TS]

  well you know I mean people people have [TS]

  a different idea of other public servant [TS]

  they want to bring the constituencies [TS]

  that's right thank you [TS]

  but enough about that are we ready are [TS]

  we ready to talk about the chicken [TS]

  well I'mI'm ready in a second to talk [TS]

  about the chicken but I that you know [TS]

  it's only been a week now [TS]

  yes that's right did you want to would [TS]

  you like to talk about how it's been [TS]

  going well it's been going swimmingly [TS]

  you know the challenge the challenge for [TS]

  me is I do believe in I do believe [TS]

  passionately in public service and I [TS]

  believe in the city of seattle the [TS]

  question is how do you run for public [TS]

  office in America and not become a [TS]

  monster because everyone once you this [TS]

  is the thing about politics right [TS]

  everybody wants you to be a monster they [TS]

  expect you to be a monster that's who [TS]

  that this this this conversation we have [TS]

  with one another about like about [TS]

  politics [TS]

  we're also exhausted by the fact that [TS]

  everyone who runs for office is a [TS]

  monster but then when someone runs for [TS]

  office we expect them to perform in a [TS]

  way that only a monster could do right [TS]

  like the only people who could stand up [TS]

  in front of a room and say I have the [TS]

  answers like our are liars or maniacs [TS]

  for sociopaths no no one has the answer [TS]

  we don't want to elect people who have [TS]

  the answers we want to elect people who [TS]

  are capable of of like acting on our [TS]

  behalf to make difficult choices and to [TS]

  make choices is very different than to [TS]

  have the answers to make choices is a is [TS]

  a set of skills that is a skill set [TS]

  right where you are capable of [TS]

  processing a lot of complicated [TS]

  information a lot of like opposing views [TS]

  that all sound sane and reasonable and [TS]

  then make the best choice that you can [TS]

  on behalf of the rest of us because we [TS]

  can't all possibly choose everything and [TS]

  it's like one of the foundations of [TS]

  civilization right we don't every person [TS]

  doesn't walk into the room and decide [TS]

  again whether or not they're going to [TS]

  wear pants [TS]

  we just mutually decided that we all [TS]

  have to wear pants that's one of the [TS]

  rules and if you do if you walk in and [TS]

  say well my culture we don't wear pants [TS]

  we don't everybody doesn't get a chance [TS]

  to assert that right it's just like no [TS]

  we all wear pants that is a [TS]

  long-standing pants daytime we may not [TS]

  love it but it keeps the peace [TS]

  that's right and ultimately it's totally [TS]

  arbitrary right its total it's a [TS]

  complete completely manufactured that we [TS]

  all have decided to wear pants but we [TS]

  have and it and you can you can argue it [TS]

  but like the case is kind of made let's [TS]

  get on down the road right so so public [TS]

  servants are I mean there are scientists [TS]

  to adjudicate the science there are [TS]

  bureaucrats to fill out the forms and [TS]

  file them properly the public servant is [TS]

  someone who you elect in your stead and [TS]

  you trust that person to make difficult [TS]

  decisions on your behalf and so you ask [TS]

  only that that person have have good [TS]

  character have a like lucid mind and be [TS]

  you know and be willing to make [TS]

  decisions and take some heat for them [TS]

  but also you know make them in good [TS]

  faith right but then when someone offers [TS]

  to run for office we immediately start [TS]

  asking them to show us that they are [TS]

  that they are willing to stand in front [TS]

  of us and claimed to have either perfect [TS]

  knowledge or infallibility or spotless [TS]

  character spotless character that if [TS]

  if a person actually if a person came to [TS]

  a party at our house and had a character [TS]

  with no spots on it we would talk to [TS]

  them for a minute and then move away [TS]

  from them and go find someone [TS]

  interesting to talk to you know all [TS]

  these things that we all these uh these [TS]

  ever narrowing apertures that we force [TS]

  under their arms [TS]

  what's the word contradictory [TS]

  paradoxical like you can't have all of [TS]

  these things you can't you can't have [TS]

  somebody who's got a vision for change [TS]

  by me is you know I don't want to talk [TS]

  to me false economy is but it's [TS]

  difficult to have somebody that did [TS]

  ticks all the boxes on every single side [TS]

  and isn't actually a psychopath right [TS]

  and so we keep them elected a [TS]

  Psychopaths because those are the only [TS]

  people that that pass the litmus tests [TS]

  and then we're disappointed in their [TS]

  behavior because they go to office and [TS]

  partly because of what they had to do to [TS]

  get to get it get through the campaign [TS]

  that's right all the different people [TS]

  that they had to lose bar they had to [TS]

  sort of pass so in in the course of even [TS]

  just the first week of my campaign i [TS]

  have had a handful of choices to make [TS]

  where the choice was presented to me um [TS]

  and this is what the expectation is and [TS]

  i look at the expectation and I say well [TS]

  in order to fulfill that expectation i [TS]

  would have to i would get in fulfilling [TS]

  it i would be demonstrating that I have [TS]

  a lack of character because to to do [TS]

  that thing is is a is it like a [TS]

  completely incompatible with being good [TS]

  at this office and so i will i will not [TS]

  do the thing I will not debase myself in [TS]

  order to get elected you know in such a [TS]

  way that I would be compromising the you [TS]

  know the the very thing I i think i [TS]

  would bring to the office and in and [TS]

  what's been fascinating so far is that [TS]

  in every instance the reaction that I [TS]

  get [TS]

  has been surprised and then like sort of [TS]

  delighted acquiescence everybody goes oh [TS]

  okay great [TS]

  sure well then then lets the just not do [TS]

  that and I'm like okay great well it's [TS]

  not then let's not just manufacture a [TS]

  conflict with somebody that's not a [TS]

  let's not put every single idea i have [TS]

  in the in a in a false equivalency with [TS]

  someone else's ideas or or like a like a [TS]

  fault in some kind of guy I do not [TS]

  intend to run for this office by [TS]

  contrasting myself with someone else and [TS]

  that is that's what I'm realizing [TS]

  everything you're saying there's an [TS]

  implicit in all of those risky [TS]

  proposition is a couple things one is [TS]

  constantly assuming a comparison with [TS]

  someone else that is being made or [TS]

  should be made and then second I think [TS]

  kind of related to that is making [TS]

  appearances that may or may not need to [TS]

  be made and also kind of trying to be [TS]

  pre-emptive about something like trying [TS]

  to preemptively like lay this groundwork [TS]

  it's almost like an opening the opening [TS]

  game in chest like you're trying to get [TS]

  things set up in this certain way but [TS]

  they both require you to be something [TS]

  other than a person who's in [TS]

  in that moment in some ways yeah but but [TS]

  then I guess once you start thinking [TS]

  about it must be difficult to stop [TS]

  thinking about it because they need you [TS]

  have to think like oh if I say this is [TS]

  somebody there for 50 things you've said [TS]

  in this that somebody could take out of [TS]

  context just today and turn it into [TS]

  something weird that now you're expected [TS]

  to respond to [TS]

  yeah right well and also just the sense [TS]

  that like well you need to you know [TS]

  something happened something happened in [TS]

  Washington and you need to make a press [TS]

  release when you get out in front of it [TS]

  and you compare yourself to other [TS]

  candidates in such a way that it makes [TS]

  them look slow and dumb right [TS]

  them look slow and dumb right [TS]

  and I'm like well I would do that if I [TS]

  well I mean I I i would release a press [TS]

  release about my ideas about this event [TS]

  but I'm counting on Washington voters in [TS]

  seattle voters to if they if they want [TS]

  to elect me to this office to do so on [TS]

  the strength of the ideas that i put [TS]

  forth not on how quickly you call them [TS]

  together [TS]

  well I'm not not on how i posit those [TS]

  ideas against someone else's ideas like [TS]

  I'm very confident that I have that I [TS]

  have good ideas and that I'm that I'm [TS]

  good at this conversation I have no [TS]

  interest in going to war with another [TS]

  person who also is you know is doing a [TS]

  difficult job of volunteering for public [TS]

  service asking people to listen to their [TS]

  ideas and appreciate their ideas and if [TS]

  if five people are running for an office [TS]

  and five of them put forth us a slate of [TS]

  ideas [TS]

  it should be a simple matter of choosing [TS]

  the candidate whose ideas and whose [TS]

  personality and character reflect yours [TS]

  the best without meeting to without the [TS]

  candidates needing to make this sort of [TS]

  pedantic comparison between themselves [TS]

  that always takes the form of like an [TS]

  insult war or for worse that kind of [TS]

  like stiff-necked like my opponent your [TS]

  leaves that children should be thrown [TS]

  down wells i do not believe this [TS]

  it's like your opponent doesn't believe [TS]

  that first of all sir and second of all [TS]

  of course you don't believe that [TS]

  like why why are you I mean it's that [TS]

  it's the reason that we feel like we're [TS]

  being spoken to like children because [TS]

  the dialogue takes on this lowest common [TS]

  denominator kind of tone anyway so long [TS]

  story short I am getting into this [TS]

  campaigning thing and I'm enjoying every [TS]

  aspect of it but multiple times a day I [TS]

  have to kind of stand there plant my [TS]

  feet and say I'm not gonna run that kind [TS]

  of campaign and I'm just asking if you [TS]

  can say like based on advice you get [TS]

  from others based on pressure you feel [TS]

  based on emotions for what's happening [TS]

  right now based on what kinds of things [TS]

  all of the above right i mean the the [TS]

  people potentially good people smart [TS]

  people but advising you on something [TS]

  where like I can't do that i can do that [TS]

  well and and then you sit down with some [TS]

  reporters and they start immediately [TS]

  asking you questions that are phrased in [TS]

  a way to preach to prompt you to make [TS]

  that kind of statement you know they say [TS]

  well your opponent says this that and [TS]

  the other [TS]

  how how how do you respond and let's go [TS]

  well I'm happy for my opponents all of [TS]

  them i think it's very hard to come up [TS]

  with things to say [TS]

  anyway do you have a question about what [TS]

  I'm about or right and you know it's [TS]

  it's very much like the music business [TS]

  when you first start off as a band [TS]

  everybody you talk to that has been in [TS]

  the music business for a little while is [TS]

  like listen you need to get a you need [TS]

  to get a press release or you need to [TS]

  get a you guys need to go stand in front [TS]

  of a brick wall next to a train track [TS]

  and smoke cigarettes and get some photos [TS]

  taken and you're like okay and so you go [TS]

  down and stand on the train tracks next [TS]

  to a brick wall smoking cigarettes get [TS]

  your photos taken and then you put those [TS]

  out and then somebody says you guys got [TS]

  press photos taken in front of a brick [TS]

  wall next to some train tracks [TS]

  you're idiots that's the biggest please [TS]

  share in the world you need to get [TS]

  something cool you need to get something [TS]

  different [TS]

  why don't you get a press photo taken [TS]

  where you jumping up in the air and then [TS]

  you're like oh that sounds good and you [TS]

  do that and then you know you get a [TS]

  little further down the road and [TS]

  somebody's like yet jumping up in the [TS]

  air press photos almost as bad as train [TS]

  tracks and everybody's trying to tell [TS]

  you that you need you know this person's [TS]

  like you have too many weird time [TS]

  signatures in your music you need to [TS]

  straighten it out this person's like [TS]

  music too straight you need to have some [TS]

  interesting time signatures everybody's [TS]

  of an expert and a lot of bands go [TS]

  through that process and get ground up [TS]

  and turned into a kind of hamburger that [TS]

  that is trying to feed the masses and [TS]

  then every once in a while a band comes [TS]

  along that's just like no I we're not [TS]

  going to do that we're going to do our [TS]

  thing [TS]

  and it becomes a huge hit in spite of [TS]

  everyone saying that there's no chance [TS]

  for because the people the people in [TS]

  this happens all the time of TV shows [TS]

  today where there are these you see like [TS]

  so many TV shows that are on social [TS]

  networks that are so derivative of other [TS]

  shows there's an CBS is basically just [TS]

  it's just this is just one kind of show [TS]

  that they like to make and then you get [TS]

  something comes along maybe on netflix [TS]

  or AMC intervals will of course most [TS]

  obvious thing in the world like why [TS]

  wouldn't I when you have a show about [TS]

  women in prison like that's it but [TS]

  somebody had to make a really courageous [TS]

  sleep past a lot of people who wanted to [TS]

  executive produce their life in order to [TS]

  come up with an idea that was that [TS]

  outside the box and then actually see it [TS]

  through to fruition and have it be good [TS]

  my god talk about you know degrees of [TS]

  difficulty [TS]

  it's really gnarly and-and-and it and [TS]

  yet I mean I have a lot of experience [TS]

  taking a lot of advice from people and [TS]

  saying okay well i'm just going to do [TS]

  this other thing you know and that and [TS]

  I'm always reminded by I'm always [TS]

  reminded of those those recordings of [TS]

  JFK and his cabinet during the bay of [TS]

  pigs have you listened to those [TS]

  recordings [TS]

  not if I heard some of the Johnson stuff [TS]

  i'm not aware of those at all so their [TS]

  recordings of them talking about the bay [TS]

  of pigs as it's happening and Kennedy is [TS]

  sitting in this room and there's all [TS]

  these generals Curtis LeMay and all his [TS]

  whole a brass his brother Bobby you know [TS]

  Mick george bundy all the guys and [TS]

  they're talking about the blockade and [TS]

  they go around the room and the [TS]

  consensus is that they are you know [TS]

  counting down the hours until those [TS]

  missiles in Cuba are active at which [TS]

  point there's a total consensus that the [TS]

  that that the Russians will launch those [TS]

  missiles and so they are advocating for [TS]

  a first strike [TS]

  you're advocating that Kennedy launch [TS]

  the missiles not just a Cuban Russia and [TS]

  you know they're talking about 70 [TS]

  million dead manageable amount of of [TS]

  dead but the alternative to let those [TS]

  missiles go live in Cuba would be to you [TS]

  know to effectively seal the fate of all [TS]

  americans and Kennedy is listening this [TS]

  and his brother Bobby is also advocating [TS]

  for a first strike and JFK keeps asking [TS]

  questions and ultimately you know he's a [TS]

  young president new to the job youngest [TS]

  president in history at the time and all [TS]

  of the big mines all the big shots are [TS]

  telling him we need to we need to [TS]

  preemptively nuke our enemies and he and [TS]

  and Kennedy makes the decision no we're [TS]

  going to we're going to open up a [TS]

  back-channel phone line 22 the Russians [TS]

  were going to call cruise ship on the [TS]

  phone [TS]

  we're gonna we're gonna stall we're [TS]

  gonna take another option we're going to [TS]

  take another hour to look at this and [TS]

  it's an incredible you know Kennedy is [TS]

  denigrated so much as a lightweight and [TS]

  he wouldn't be a great president if he [TS]

  hadn't been killed and all that you know [TS]

  you hear all this terrible stuff about [TS]

  Kennedy but in that moment that Bay of [TS]

  Pigs moment I'm sorry not being pigs the [TS]

  cuban missile crisis moment have I been [TS]

  saying Bay of Pigs this entire he said [TS]

  once but no yeah i know just talking [TS]

  about cuban missile crisis moment like [TS]

  he averted total disaster just by like [TS]

  taking all the information and then [TS]

  saying no let's not feeling i mean [TS]

  that's that's so complicated because I [TS]

  mean like you say young guy surrounded [TS]

  by people who are smarter than him [TS]

  you know all these all these generals [TS]

  world war two generals right right but I [TS]

  mean takes it takes it takes a lot of [TS]

  courage i kinda like we're not too far [TS]

  back what you're saying earlier about [TS]

  the way reporter [TS]

  can ask questions i think a lot of [TS]

  what's wrong with this course today [TS]

  sometimes is that we allow we agree to [TS]

  even accept the premise of a question [TS]

  when it's impossible to answer we feel [TS]

  like we have to answer questions [TS]

  somebody the classic have you stop [TS]

  beating your wife like question where I [TS]

  mean I think you know and again a lot of [TS]

  people get around that by going so and [TS]

  then answering a different question but [TS]

  I mean the part of the problem is that [TS]

  in that instance he not only didn't do [TS]

  the one crazy thing everybody wanted to [TS]

  do he didn't he also didn't feel like he [TS]

  had to take any extreme action in order [TS]

  to placate people or do the right thing [TS]

  and doing what quote unquote nothing [TS]

  takes a tremendous amount of courage [TS]

  you know what I mean to not feel like [TS]

  you even have to choose the options that [TS]

  people are are giving you as the only [TS]

  extreme options [TS]

  well and and in particular like if he [TS]

  had said all right let's do it let's [TS]

  launch and people had come to end [TS]

  history had come to him later and said [TS]

  you killed 70 million people [TS]

  how dare you or he could have said you [TS]

  know everybody agreed it was a consensus [TS]

  between all these great minds and I just [TS]

  was you know I was the one that needed [TS]

  to choose and I chose what all my [TS]

  advisors were telling me to do if you [TS]

  look at the other option which is that [TS]

  he didn't do it and the Russians did [TS]

  attack us and we were caught with our [TS]

  pants down right and history said what [TS]

  what were you thinking he had known [TS]

  either case he's responsible for [TS]

  millions of deaths in either case is [TS]

  responsible for millions of death one of [TS]

  which is his own people are destroyed [TS]

  and in that instance he would have been [TS]

  solely accountable and history would [TS]

  have recorded like everybody told him to [TS]

  do what should have been done and he [TS]

  refused and we were destroyed as a [TS]

  result like the risk is so much greater [TS]

  for him to go against that council [TS]

  because he would have been protected by [TS]

  I can you know by the consensus [TS]

  see would have been protected by group [TS]

  think if he had just said you know what [TS]

  all right let's just launched the [TS]

  missiles such a simple thing such a [TS]

  simple decision and he had the he had [TS]

  the stones not to do it and to say no [TS]

  and watch those generals and his own [TS]

  brother file out of that room shaking [TS]

  their heads [TS]

  uh-huh you know muttering and saying you [TS]

  fool [TS]

  and here we are right where a cell with [TS]

  that didn't happen nobody died and so [TS]

  like you're saying I mean reporters want [TS]

  there to be a fight [TS]

  the people want there to be a fight [TS]

  because that's what people understand [TS]

  this guy's running against that one guy [TS]

  when are they going to fight and I'm [TS]

  just not interested in and I want to put [TS]

  out i want to put out ideas i want to [TS]

  write i want to write papers about what [TS]

  we can do i wanna i want to get that job [TS]

  and do a good job at it and not have it [TS]

  be and not and not have it be [TS]

  characterized by needless contention [TS]

  there's enough contention already in any [TS]

  decision without without papering it [TS]

  with like fighting just false fighting [TS]

  so that's my first week it has been [TS]

  really interesting and it has required [TS]

  you know that I be really on my toes [TS]

  because you sit down with the reporter [TS]

  and they're like your opponent's [TS]

  reportedly says that you have a fat but [TS]

  how do you respond and to be like I'm [TS]

  not sure that he did say that and you [TS]

  know and I don't want to like be one of [TS]

  those politicians that is that skirting [TS]

  the tough questions but i'm going to [TS]

  skirt the dumb questions and so let's [TS]

  talk about transit and housing right I [TS]

  always enjoyed that sounds like a heck [TS]

  of a week and a lot lot to learn i am ok [TS]

  i always enjoy listening and one thing [TS]

  in particular Barney Frank but there are [TS]

  other people like barney frank have been [TS]

  in this racket for so long [TS]

  that you can see they pass through many [TS]

  I mean obviously the the level [TS]

  experience there is just as tremendous [TS]

  but they pass through so many cycles of [TS]

  this stuff they've been they've seen it [TS]

  so many times it's a good difference [TS]

  between even a young in some cases [TS]

  presidential candidate but you see even [TS]

  Young candidate for president younger [TS]

  and now in this case the guy announced [TS]

  today he's younger than me which isn't [TS]

  anyone finding others about grapes [TS]

  really weird but but you know but they [TS]

  still feel the need to be rolled real [TS]

  fired up in the way that they answered [TS]

  and like I you know I i have gases [TS]

  partly why is like this he's been around [TS]

  a long time he's had a lot to put up [TS]

  with [TS]

  he's had a lot in the past that he [TS]

  didn't want to be public but then he got [TS]

  through the crucible of that but [TS]

  something Barney Frank no matter what [TS]

  you ask him he's unflappable yeah and [TS]

  it's not flammable in a way that he [TS]

  doesn't care [TS]

  it's in a way that he's seen all of your [TS]

  country before we like this is not his [TS]

  first magic rodeo like he's senior [TS]

  wizard tricks many times before and he's [TS]

  just he's not even he doesn't even need [TS]

  to fight back [TS]

  it's just he's gonna answer and he's [TS]

  going to be effective and on point and [TS]

  answering any relevant questions but in [TS]

  a way that's that's constructive and [TS]

  just watching somebody do that to me [TS]

  it's like watching a magic trick [TS]

  yeah it seems impossibly difficult [TS]

  especially when you're new when Al [TS]

  Franken is another example of a guy who [TS]

  has you know there's so many politicians [TS]

  that are so brittle you ask them a [TS]

  question right and they're just like so [TS]

  tense and and and get emotional at you [TS]

  even ask that question [TS]

  yeah and that becomes part of their [TS]

  stick yeah nicely so really is he got so [TS]

  polished so fast and he seems very [TS]

  resilient because he's heard at all [TS]

  right i mean that's the wonderful thing [TS]

  about coming at politics from the arts [TS]

  like is there an insult that Al Franken [TS]

  hasn't heard mean he said in the center [TS]

  Night Live writers room like he's heard [TS]

  at all and so he he's got a story to [TS]

  tell and you're not going to dislodge [TS]

  him so easily right he's not going to [TS]

  join in some species fight or feel like [TS]

  his [TS]

  core values are being attacked he's [TS]

  gonna you know he's like he's anxious to [TS]

  tell tell the stories he understands it [TS]

  so I mean all of this is a it's going to [TS]

  be borne out throughout the course of [TS]

  this campaign and i'm going to it's [TS]

  going to be a struggle because there [TS]

  will come a time [TS]

  surely when someone attacks me and and [TS]

  that and it may not be one of the other [TS]

  candidates and maybe the newspaper or it [TS]

  may be some political action committee [TS]

  or it may be just a pot private citizen [TS]

  but somebody is gonna somebody's going [TS]

  to go after me and and i'm going to have [TS]

  to continue to stay on the highroad just [TS]

  because that's the only place that I'm [TS]

  comfortable especially because most of [TS]

  your responses are going to be strangely [TS]

  public i mean in a way where if you went [TS]

  to a Qantas breakfast with your dad in [TS]

  the seventies and you encountered like a [TS]

  trilateral commission guy like the way [TS]

  that you respond to that person and [TS]

  let's even say he's not even normal [TS]

  Trilateral Commission let's say he's [TS]

  like obviously unhinged you know there [TS]

  are things you do when you talk two [TS]

  crazy people for example that you talked [TS]

  to them a certain way to like if you [TS]

  don't escalate it and you don't want [TS]

  them to freak out but you wouldn't [TS]

  necessarily want what you said to them [TS]

  to be your on-the-record remarks about [TS]

  it because it's it's a one-on-one right [TS]

  but like but in the cases of today like [TS]

  you're constantly to everybody is [TS]

  tacitly expected to respond to [TS]

  everything publicly so even though it so [TS]

  that means anyone and I like the [TS]

  democracy of anybody having access I [TS]

  don't like the democracy or the the non [TS]

  democracy of being expected to have a [TS]

  response for every person's every Nutter [TS]

  idea right so just as one crazy this is [TS]

  a totally crazy random example but this [TS]

  guy am tutored at me the other day [TS]

  guy or girl I think guy to get me of the [TS]

  day saying something very disparaging [TS]

  about somebody that i used to do it [TS]

  a show with and was it was very very [TS]

  aggressive and my one word response was [TS]

  yikes to say about it [TS]

  young and in short order this person [TS]

  retweeted that to other accounts that i [TS]

  am going to guess probably sock puppet [TS]

  accounts with that person when i started [TS]

  reading it I went and looked at this [TS]

  person's twitter profile and with some [TS]

  breaks presumably for hospitalization [TS]

  it's nothing but months and months and [TS]

  months of attacking this one guy that I [TS]

  know well so it's it's real super weird [TS]

  but I mean why am I telling you that [TS]

  because because first of all there are [TS]

  people out there who are nuts and we'll [TS]

  just have a hard on for somebody they [TS]

  just and that's just that's just their [TS]

  thing you see what the gamergate stuff [TS]

  you certainly see in politics but [TS]

  suddenly you just get a hard-on for [TS]

  somebody and like everything you do is [TS]

  going to be a way to tear them down and [TS]

  try to get other people drawn in to your [TS]

  destruction and so in that instance I [TS]

  mean I'm glad I said what I said which [TS]

  is just yikes which is really mostly [TS]

  just like wow that's really an extreme [TS]

  thing to say to a stranger [TS]

  yeah but if I had if I think about how [TS]

  almost any other way i might have [TS]

  handled that with me and just on a bad [TS]

  day maybe I would have said something [TS]

  sarcastic about that person who has a [TS]

  certain kind of reputation but I would [TS]

  never I would attack somebody that was a [TS]

  little friend of mine that I don't show [TS]

  with but you know in that case different [TS]

  you know what I said to that nut in [TS]

  public could be taken a completely crazy [TS]

  way I guess I feel what I'm saying is [TS]

  I'm saying obviously there's nuts out [TS]

  there but also i'm really grateful that [TS]

  i didn't accidentally say something [TS]

  really advisable that would have been [TS]

  been used to be to show that like I'm on [TS]

  that guy side because that's the [TS]

  conversation that you're having is in [TS]

  public conversation no matter who you're [TS]

  talking to [TS]

  increasingly i'm sure you'll go to [TS]

  pancake breakfast and baby kissing [TS]

  contest but like a lot of you what you [TS]

  do is going to be in front of other [TS]

  people and as we all learn eventually [TS]

  from social media no matter what you say [TS]

  to one person is kind of implicitly not [TS]

  only heard but somebody sometimes taken [TS]

  by everybody it's as though you are [TS]

  talking to them whatever tone you take [TS]

  with one person is a tone you're [TS]

  implicitly taken with everybody [TS]

  well yeah and I had one this morning [TS]

  we're uh somebody tweeted me please help [TS]

  this homeless family link [TS]

  and I i did the initial due diligence [TS]

  where I went and looked at the looked at [TS]

  whether that person was following me or [TS]

  not and they weren't but now I and so [TS]

  normally when somebody tweet something [TS]

  at me and they're not following me i am [TS]

  pretty suspicious right away you go to [TS]

  their timeline but in this case because [TS]

  i am I going to do this 10 times a day [TS]

  right [TS]

  I in this case i'm running play save [TS]

  save this save this kid who has horrible [TS]

  disease [TS]

  please help this family and you go is [TS]

  they don't follow you they have two [TS]

  followers which is not a popularity [TS]

  thing but indication that they're new [TS]

  and in this thing and then it's just [TS]

  dozens and dozens of the same tweet that [TS]

  automatically went out when somebody [TS]

  posted something [TS]

  well and so this is but but but because [TS]

  i'm running for office this changed my [TS]

  normal thing which I normally would do [TS]

  exactly as you just described but in [TS]

  this case I was like oh I'd better go to [TS]

  this link because this person maybe [TS]

  isn't following me but he sent this to [TS]

  me because because I'm a candidate and [TS]

  I'll changing their pride get it i think [TS]

  you're saying that you have to reprocess [TS]

  that old way of dealing with that right [TS]

  so i go to the site where the person [TS]

  describes the fundraising that they're [TS]

  trying to do and it feels a very [TS]

  Nigerian scam but I'm like you know as a [TS]

  key as a candidate I can't dismiss this [TS]

  out of hand this could be someone who [TS]

  has just moved to Seattle you know this [TS]

  is a this I i am keeping my I'm keeping [TS]

  the plausibility of this in play a lot [TS]

  longer than I normally would and I read [TS]

  the entire pitch and it doesn't feel [TS]

  right but i'm still thinking like as a [TS]

  candidate and so then having spent five [TS]

  minutes on this site then I go look at [TS]

  the twitter timeline and it's just as [TS]

  you described it is a total spam account [TS]

  they send the same link to 800 people [TS]

  and then the only [TS]

  personal tweets are just scraped from [TS]

  eckhart tolle ease twitter account [TS]

  alright just completely like unrelated [TS]

  in a different voice random and then the [TS]

  Twitter photos are too kind of blurry [TS]

  pictures of a ten-year-old girl I mean [TS]

  just randomly grab pictures of millions [TS]

  and so but but I spent you know I spent [TS]

  five minutes where I would have spent [TS]

  five seconds before because i feel a [TS]

  different responsibilities as a [TS]

  candidate to you know i'm no longer just [TS]

  a private citizen who is like well [TS]

  you're a spammer go to hell I'm now like [TS]

  oh you know I'm gonna I'm gonna do a lot [TS]

  more research about things because I [TS]

  can't not only can i not like afford to [TS]

  but I don't want to be inaccessible in a [TS]

  way that inaccessibility was part of my [TS]

  survival mechanism as a musician but as [TS]

  a candidate I can't be inaccessible in [TS]

  that way and so I'm gonna spend a lot [TS]

  more time reading spam accounts i guess [TS]

  my tried trying to sort out the ones [TS]

  that are better legit you don't go I [TS]

  don't make this on dyer but it goes [TS]

  that's a theme goes so far beyond that [TS]

  because you're gonna through the [TS]

  election and and if you're elected so [TS]

  much of what you do is going to be [TS]

  dealing with strangers whose personality [TS]

  may not be compatible with the way that [TS]

  you like to operate but now you're I [TS]

  mean you're like a you are like a little [TS]

  public office that anybody can walk into [TS]

  you get you don't get to go you know I [TS]

  don't like your attitude i'm going to [TS]

  talk to somebody else if you could do [TS]

  that but I but there are people who are [TS]

  probably seeking redress are asking for [TS]

  help on things were just kind of [TS]

  unpleasant here or annoying or stinky [TS]

  and like you're still going to have to [TS]

  take them as seriously as as you want [TS]

  anybody else to have come some better i [TS]

  think the day I think what happens to [TS]

  politicians is they either began to [TS]

  think that the entire public is crazy [TS]

  because the old [TS]

  people to come to city council meetings [TS]

  are our people with a grievance and it [TS]

  feels that way sometimes or the [TS]

  alternate people who are just there on a [TS]

  future from school to watch how the [TS]

  process works [TS]

  yeah or just normal people that are like [TS]

  oh yeah I have a question uh whatwhat's [TS]

  that extremism at you know like [TS]

  nobody-nobody engages quite that way but [TS]

  the other the alternative is that as a [TS]

  city councilman you you begin to think [TS]

  that the that your real constituents are [TS]

  the lawyers and lobbyists that mill [TS]

  around afterwards and you know and kind [TS]

  of like wink and nudge at one another [TS]

  and i think that sounds like the new [TS]

  backstage [TS]

  yeah exactly and my advantage is that i [TS]

  understand that most of the people in [TS]

  the crowd do not stick around to get [TS]

  their t-shirts signed and they don't [TS]

  have backstage passes but they came to [TS]

  the show and then they love the music [TS]

  and may you know and they take away a [TS]

  memory that you cannot you you can't [TS]

  manipulate it you know that you're going [TS]

  to put on a show they're going to watch [TS]

  it and they're gonna walk out of there [TS]

  with a feeling and that's not up to you [TS]

  they're not going to give you a second [TS]

  chance to talk them through it they're [TS]

  gonna have a they're going to have a [TS]

  feeling and that is true of the [TS]

  electorate true [TS]

  people are people are are generally like [TS]

  quiet and yet also thoughtful and you [TS]

  have to in public office represent those [TS]

  people even though the people that you [TS]

  meet everyday are either yelling at you [TS]

  or winking at you and that you know and [TS]

  keeping that awareness in the forefront [TS]

  of your mind that most people are not [TS]

  either one of those most people are just [TS]

  busy with their own lives but they're [TS]

  counting on you to do a good job so [TS]

  that's good John get a long single for [TS]

  that long but how [TS]

  now for the love [TS]

  of Christ can we talk about the chicken [TS]

  here's how it works and i'll try and [TS]

  find where i got this recipe from I [TS]

  didn't invent this i found this and I've [TS]

  just been working on it but here's what [TS]

  it comes down to you know where we will [TS]

  get a family and so we do stuff like we [TS]

  buy chicken breasts from costco sure [TS]

  ok you get a big bag of chicken breast [TS]

  you can get them in the company's little [TS]

  scored things you can break them up and [TS]

  take out like a pie don't have to check [TS]

  on the time [TS]

  here's the moment you need heat you need [TS]

  a pan like a saucepan or a rather a [TS]

  wake-up call the frying pan [TS]

  you know what are those called the big [TS]

  ones yeah Frank you use a cast-iron pan [TS]

  or does it have to be a nonstick um i [TS]

  would go in a non-stick pan but you need [TS]

  heat you need a pan with a lid Amy and [TS]

  chicken [TS]

  ok here's everything you need to know in [TS]

  three steps ok ok ready for this I'm [TS]

  ready [TS]

  so you're going to heat up the pan to [TS]

  medium depending on how hot your stove [TS]

  is a medium to medium-high when it gets [TS]

  the temperature with a little bit of oil [TS]

  in there [TS]

  what kind of oil whatever you like you [TS]

  could you could use butter i tend to add [TS]

  butter later for the easy one I just use [TS]

  canola oil and you don't need a lot of [TS]

  it because it'll get too wet that you [TS]

  made me basically just want to have [TS]

  something in there so they can scoot [TS]

  around so step one you put the chicken [TS]

  breasts in for one minute you're not [TS]

  going exactly brown them together [TS]

  they're gonna kind of brown a little bit [TS]

  but one minute you have them in there [TS]

  with it with the lid on don't have to be [TS]

  in that case but then thank you good [TS]

  question then step two [TS]

  you're gonna flip those over and put the [TS]

  lid on the pan and you let it just sit [TS]

  there for 10 minutes [TS]

  unlike a medium-low heat don't touch [TS]

  them [TS]

  don't touch them do not lift the lid [TS]

  whatever you do at the end of that 10 [TS]

  minutes you turn off the heat when you [TS]

  let them sit there for another 10 [TS]

  minutes room i have done this five times [TS]

  now and they've never not been flawless [TS]

  you could do anything I've done with [TS]

  brian chicken I've done with hardly [TS]

  anything on a chicken [TS]

  I don't make herb chicken this way it [TS]

  depends on what you like but I'm saying [TS]

  I'm saying is you do not have to because [TS]

  you want to be that guy sitting over the [TS]

  for coconut your goddamn chicken you put [TS]

  it in there he just Brown it you flip it [TS]

  you let it sit and put it in the pan for [TS]

  a minute okay [TS]

  sort of brown it yeah yeah just a little [TS]

  bit little bit little bit of heat it up [TS]

  on the one side you're looking like [TS]

  you're not gonna like fully brown it [TS]

  you're just gonna kind of crisp it up a [TS]

  little bit flip it over flip it over you [TS]

  put the lid on went on for 10 minutes [TS]

  you just ignore it [TS]

  don't even think about it set a timer on [TS]

  your phone ten minutes you're doing [TS]

  something else you're reading a little [TS]

  bit of a magazine and then you don't go [TS]

  back [TS]

  dad will get to put because that's time [TS]

  on the iphone and then then 10 minutes [TS]

  turn it off and it's such a great recipe [TS]

  for men because we're stupid and we [TS]

  filled with food while it's cooking and [TS]

  like many my number 12 pretty much [TS]

  anytime you cook meat is like don't play [TS]

  with it never play with the meat [TS]

  don't poke it don't product don't scoot [TS]

  around you don't need to scoot around in [TS]

  the pan just let it sit there it's gonna [TS]

  be fine for modern pants you're taking [TS]

  away all my cooking move haha its [TS]

  scooted not now i understand as I sit [TS]

  here today after all the weeks of build [TS]

  up to the chicken recipe that this might [TS]

  be a letdown but i would encourage you [TS]

  to try this you might try it with [TS]

  brining it doesn't it doesn't feel like [TS]

  a letdown because the simplicity is so [TS]

  simple [TS]

  yeah that it feels like a it feels like [TS]

  a thought revolution now only I let me [TS]

  just give you the end I just I just want [TS]

  to say i want to stick the landing so [TS]

  you turn the heat off after 10 minutes [TS]

  and then what happens [TS]

  you still don't open the pan for 10 [TS]

  minutes ten more minutes [TS]

  yep you got browning you got 10 minutes [TS]

  with the lid on on the heat turned the [TS]

  heat off 10 minutes of waiting it sits [TS]

  there do not lift the lid off because [TS]

  now get a little bit of steam in action [TS]

  which is not so bad for a chicken [TS]

  so you are calling this Merlin's [TS]

  21-minute chicken 21-minute chicken [TS]

  that's got that kind of eight minute abs [TS]

  kind of fail Merlin's 21-minute chicken [TS]

  you put in for a minute you flip it you [TS]

  cover it 10 minutes on the heat 10 [TS]

  minutes off the heat [TS]

  yeah Romans 21 I got the recipe off the [TS]

  internet but I can I you know people [TS]

  still recipes every day i'll try to find [TS]

  this recipe and I will say to us before [TS]

  you try this for a large group of people [TS]

  test it out with the way you like to [TS]

  cook chicken the way you like to season [TS]

  it and then like how hot your oven is [TS]

  because you know obviously they're all [TS]

  over the map we were very low BTU of [TS]

  your talking about your are you talk [TS]

  about another are you talking about a [TS]

  range arrange and rearrange yeah now I [TS]

  let me ask you this will that work with [TS]

  a steak [TS]

  I'll tell you what I do with the steak [TS]

  talking about a thick steak let's start [TS]

  with a thick stick [TS]

  well here's what i do with a thick state [TS]

  state i get the pan super hot soup if [TS]

  you're gonna make an inside the house [TS]

  take what i do i make i get the pants [TS]

  super hot i unplug the the smoke [TS]

  detector as i'm doing alright and then [TS]

  depending on how you like to make this i [TS]

  would say heat the oven up the inside of [TS]

  it like about 350 because you're gonna [TS]

  need that in a minute and what you do is [TS]

  you brown the steak on each side without [TS]

  mother without you without what season [TS]

  it throw it on there with not too much [TS]

  stuff knots it could be it needs to be [TS]

  pretty hot because you wanna get a good [TS]

  sear on there and then you finish it in [TS]

  the oven finish it yeah-huh tree like a [TS]

  little like a tiny roast it depends on [TS]

  how you like it some people you might [TS]

  want to 50 if you want to its low i [TS]

  think 354 not very long and here's the [TS]

  thing how you know it's done [TS]

  it smells like food if it doesn't smell [TS]

  like food yet it's not food row [TS]

  mm-hmm if it smells like food it's [TS]

  probably food we don't sell food it's [TS]

  not food yet i'm gonna go down I'm gonna [TS]

  go to a washer Maya right now but [TS]

  supermarket across the street and I'm [TS]

  gonna get us a sweatshirt not a hoodie [TS]

  but just a normal old fashioned [TS]

  sweatshirt with the with with iron on [TS]

  letters that says it smells like food is [TS]

  probably don't poke it [TS]

  don't play with it don't scoot around [TS]

  don't scoot it don't squeeze it [TS]

  it's just just put it in there and you [TS]

  you will get a feel for it you know [TS]

  that's it's a wish to a cooking segment [TS]

  I'm just saying I i think that could [TS]

  help a lot of people I've just learned [TS]

  about brining small-scale brining yeah [TS]

  and it's pretty fun cause you know about [TS]

  big grinding wheel bearing like a turkey [TS]

  or something [TS]

  part of my campaign is that I'm against [TS]

  big Brian [TS]

  ok [TS]