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Ep. 149: "The Humility Opportunities"

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0:00:22hello hi John

0:00:25hi Merlin how's it going good boy it's

0:00:29late is it it's late

0:00:32Shh late the Sun is the sun is in the

0:00:36sky not like when we normally record

0:00:39when the Sun is just peeping up over the

0:00:41horizon displays in Addis just mocking

0:00:43mocking our existence

0:00:45oh that's son that that darn son

0:00:48ya hoo happy happy easter thank you uh I

0:00:53do feel happy about it you doing special

0:00:57com easter was you know Easter isn't

0:01:01like one of the main holidays in my

0:01:04culture and tradition it's a it's a it

0:01:07is a holiday course I remember my sister

0:01:10when she was a little girl she and I we

0:01:15had our own bedrooms but we also had a

0:01:17bunk bed and sometimes the bunk bed was

0:01:18in my room and sometimes it was in her

0:01:20room and when the bump it was in my room

0:01:23she never came in and slept in my room

0:01:26but when the bunk bed was in her room

0:01:28sometimes I would go in and sleep in her

0:01:29room to like just comfort her and I

0:01:33remember one Easter morning we were

0:01:36sitting on the top bunk together looking

0:01:38out the window and my sister swears now

0:01:41she was just a child

0:01:43I mean I was probably seven she was four

0:01:47or five

0:01:49she swears that we saw the Easter bunny

0:01:52Oh in the backyard and she swears to it

0:01:54to this day my memories are unclear

0:01:58about whether or not I saw the Easter

0:01:59Bunny or whether I just in a big

0:02:02brotherly fashion reinforced that she

0:02:05had seen the Easter Bunny uh huh you

0:02:07know it's it's it was a long time ago of

0:02:11all holidays

0:02:12it feels like it has the biggest net

0:02:15disconnect between why we theoretically

0:02:17observe it and then what we actually do

0:02:20I moving great with Christmas even if

0:02:22you're like a secular person you

0:02:24probably still have a certain amount of

0:02:25like like Christian like Christmas

0:02:29carols playing and stuff like that but

0:02:31like for for not observing people easter

0:02:33is really about candy this is a very

0:02:36like the thing is my daughter's an age

0:02:38where now everything is about candy is a

0:02:40candy lawyer

0:02:41she's constantly negotiating the candy

0:02:43like all day and today has been nothing

0:02:44but a long series of negotiations about

0:02:47candy

0:02:47yeah fortunately my child is still sort

0:02:52of pre candy who I won't last forever

0:02:56you get a bunny

0:02:57uh I have you know frankly on a full

0:03:02disclosure who have not seen her today

0:03:05yeah because she went to battling him

0:03:07we're grandparents live

0:03:09that's nice and they are having a full

0:03:11day where the Easter dress at church and

0:03:13all the wonderful American holiday

0:03:15traditions and I have been kind of

0:03:19running around like a crazy person

0:03:21yeah it getting ready to really nail

0:03:23down now the easter evening holiday

0:03:25celebration

0:03:26uh no in fact I've been running around

0:03:28like a crazy person because I and I have

0:03:31kind of a surprise

0:03:33it's something like to share with our

0:03:35listeners have a little bit of surprise

0:03:37that i wanted that I want to reveal to

0:03:39our listeners that I want to share with

0:03:40you

0:03:41Merlin my close personal friend I can't

0:03:43wait to hear already i think i'm ready

0:03:45and as ready as I'm gonna be

0:03:46ru ru when you're ready chair and got

0:03:51the bail Reddy better earn it tomorrow i

0:03:56am declaring my candidacy for seattle

0:04:00city council

0:04:01that was kind of a muted bell well you

0:04:04know there's a lot to talk about

0:04:05haha we don't have time to let it ring

0:04:08as much as that's right we should get

0:04:10right on it as much as you europe europe

0:04:12political now John you gotta go right to

0:04:14the brass tacks so true I i need to

0:04:17learn how to give a concise interview

0:04:22oh I gotta write this one down right

0:04:24concise interview I need to be able to

0:04:26say what my policies and plans are in a

0:04:29very short a truncated sort of sound by

0:04:34the way which is intrinsically a method

0:04:37of speaking that I distrust and uh and

0:04:42yet it is the way of that this business

0:04:44is conducted sometimes ideas can be a

0:04:47little bit like having nausea we feel

0:04:48like you're not done until they're all

0:04:50out and you know what i mean i'm not i'm

0:04:52not really done here

0:04:53I mean I'm taking a break nice-looking a

0:04:54lot to get out of here to start a new

0:04:57list here it's called John's

0:04:58opportunities for growth and the first

0:05:001i have is a concise interviews concise

0:05:02interviews this is that this is a growth

0:05:04opportunity a steak for me and so so as

0:05:11as you may or may not know a the the way

0:05:14that this campaign is going to run there

0:05:17is a primary that happens in august and

0:05:20in some ways August seems a million

0:05:24miles away but of course i will be doing

0:05:26lots and lots of going to BBQ news and

0:05:31kissing babies and saying what my ideas

0:05:34are over and over so there's plenty of

0:05:36opportunity between now in august for me

0:05:38to get my ideas out there right but the

0:05:42challenge for me is going to be to not

0:05:45want to tell everyone all my ideas the

0:05:47first time that I meet them or talk to

0:05:49them right and also i am running on a

0:05:54premise that I am listening to your

0:05:58ideas you citizens of Seattle and you

0:06:01people who are listening who are not

0:06:02citizens of Seattle who would who feel

0:06:04like they are in some way a global

0:06:09citizen of Seattle I want to hear other

0:06:12people's ideas right i mean that the

0:06:13being on city council is

0:06:15about your ideas it's about it's about

0:06:17the city's ideas

0:06:18it seems like a road down and not bad

0:06:21went down and dirty kind of job there's

0:06:22a lot of things with get millage you got

0:06:24zoning you got parking I don't know

0:06:26anything about this but i'm just

0:06:27guessing there's a lot of like how the

0:06:29city actually functions that second I

0:06:32know about me

0:06:33that is exactly right as you know about

0:06:34me i am fascinated by all those things

0:06:37you love infrastructure i do i love the

0:06:39ins and outs the ups and downs i love

0:06:41what's under manhole covers that I love

0:06:43what's on top of telephone poles and so

0:06:46the job is ideal for me I i will 3i will

0:06:49relish it

0:06:50I will relish sitting at a dais and

0:06:53listening to people talk about zoning um

0:06:56but but the challenge in getting there

0:06:58is that in our country we have a we have

0:07:03a concept of who it is that that

0:07:06occupies these rolls right uh people

0:07:11that go into government are a certain

0:07:13kind of person and we typically think of

0:07:18them as either lawyers or people who

0:07:21have sort of been professional activists

0:07:24their whole career and they kind of earn

0:07:27the job and then they think of it as a

0:07:32professional job that they are

0:07:33professional legislature and the thing

0:07:37about me is that I'm an actual a

0:07:39Democrat in the sense that I think that

0:07:42citizens should be involved in

0:07:43government my farmers used to just be in

0:07:45office for a while and then they go back

0:07:46to farming thank you

0:07:48m-my since we're figuring out how to

0:07:50push books off the shelf right down

0:07:52going into the tesseract that is through

0:07:55a black hole and we don't touch today

0:07:56but I tried to watch it i try to watch

0:07:58it we got a single back i want to talk

0:07:59about it I really do i I want to hear

0:08:01your thoughts on my car hey but listen

0:08:05so I'm so I'm trying to convince the

0:08:07city of seattle not just that i will be

0:08:09a great person on this city council but

0:08:11also that it is not that dangerous to

0:08:14elect somebody who is talking about art

0:08:18as a civic virtue and not every city

0:08:22come in every city councilperson in

0:08:24seattle has generally the same ideas

0:08:26I mean because Seattle is a liberal

0:08:28utopia we all think that there should be

0:08:30more transit we don't think there should

0:08:32be affordable housing right there's it's

0:08:34not like there's somebody running for

0:08:35seattle city council who thinks that the

0:08:37earth was created in seven days and who

0:08:39wants a blood wave to sweep away that

0:08:43same-sex marriages or whatever the hell

0:08:46the platform he would be very unusual

0:08:48here know everybody here is a liberal

0:08:51and that's a wonderful opportunity and

0:08:54my challenges that i'm going to go in

0:08:55front of the city and say listen there's

0:08:58never been an artist on city government

0:09:00and that is precisely what we need and

0:09:04that is precisely where we go next

0:09:08it's time to take a big leap forward and

0:09:10some of that big leap forward is a is a

0:09:13stretch of the imagination that we not

0:09:15keep putting like people who are down in

0:09:20the weeds are in a in positions of power

0:09:24on city government because there's no

0:09:25reason to think that they are going to

0:09:26stay in the weeds right but that's a

0:09:30challenge right out there a lot of the

0:09:31people that are the gatekeepers between

0:09:33me and the citizens of Seattle the only

0:09:36way they have to compare candidates

0:09:37against one another is this is this

0:09:40model a lot like well your your your

0:09:43opponent says that there should be more

0:09:44buses and trains what do you say i also

0:09:47think there should be more buses and

0:09:48trains well how is that different than

0:09:50your opponent frankly it's practically

0:09:52not different because the truth is we

0:09:56need more buses and trains and I mean

0:09:58there's no why would anybody have a

0:10:00different attitude right nobody would so

0:10:03how do you differentiate between us and

0:10:05the differentiation becomes a question

0:10:07of who can tell who can tell this story

0:10:10to the citizens of Seattle and make

0:10:13people invested in doing what is

0:10:16ultimately the hard work of building a

0:10:18better place

0:10:19that's good that was good oh thank you

0:10:21well practicing I have to just do this

0:10:23now every day for the next six months

0:10:25right and then then everybody then

0:10:28people will then there's a popularity

0:10:30contest where they decide which

0:10:33candidate is appeals to them more i

0:10:36think a lot of voters pick the one whose

0:10:38hair looks better before I do

0:10:41happen I do have good hair so in that

0:10:44yeah but you got farm-to-table hair

0:10:45you've got locally-sourced like you

0:10:47literally cut your own hair and how many

0:10:49other candidates are gonna be able to

0:10:50say that my man i cannot tell you last

0:10:52night i'm writing my platform speech and

0:10:57what did i do I decided that I needed to

0:11:00give myself a haircut two o'clock in the

0:11:03morning i'm standing in the mirror and

0:11:04I'm cutting my hair and of one of the

0:11:06very one of the clearest voices in my

0:11:08head is telling me idiot

0:11:10do not cut your hair right now if this

0:11:14could go a lot of ways and I lobby

0:11:16vision though it sometimes you have to

0:11:18know how to make that vision being

0:11:20implemented in ways that may seem

0:11:21non-obvious right right but and and

0:11:24luckily in this case i did a pretty good

0:11:26job of cutting my hair looks pretty good

0:11:28but I'm you know what it means is that I

0:11:30walk out the door the next morning not

0:11:32full of hair confidence i walk out the

0:11:35door with a little bit of hearing

0:11:36society because I cut it in the middle

0:11:38of the night with a pair of construction

0:11:40paper so that and now I'm walking out to

0:11:44stand in front of the city and say I am

0:11:47an American and also someone who is not

0:11:49a lunatic and i propose to represent you

0:11:53well and effectively in city government

0:11:55and i cut my hair last night

0:11:58any questions hello you there for those

0:12:01of you who throws you don't know me I am

0:12:03gonna rock your next city councilman mm

0:12:05well I like the sound of that so and of

0:12:08course one of the challenges for me is

0:12:10that this podcast for instance here's

0:12:13the thing that I cannot imagine

0:12:15sacrificing and this podcast is not

0:12:19something that any of the other

0:12:21candidates for City Council have like a

0:12:24similar podcast compared to who

0:12:27right it's not there isn't a precedent I

0:12:29don't think and then it's I think fairly

0:12:31rare in government that someone is

0:12:35proposing to be in government and also

0:12:37once a week talk to his friend with the

0:12:40utmost candor

0:12:41uh-huh about what's happening in their

0:12:43lives and so it shows that you're not

0:12:45afraid to discuss the difficult issues

0:12:47well let's let's hope I mean this is the

0:12:49thing we we talk about politicians in a

0:12:51certain way we want them to be a certain

0:12:54way

0:12:55but the only people who run for office

0:12:56are people with unrealistic hair under

0:13:01some of them have unbelievable hair and

0:13:03who tell us you know who do that thing

0:13:07where they convince us that they

0:13:09actually do have a foolproof plan and

0:13:13the only people who really believe they

0:13:15have a foolproof plan are our other

0:13:17fools who have not who don't have enough

0:13:20information to know how wrong they are

0:13:22or sociopaths the reality is if you go

0:13:27into public office what you should say

0:13:28first and foremost is I am going into

0:13:30this job to listen to people and and

0:13:33here every side and and I mean somebody

0:13:36has to choose and that's who you're

0:13:38pointing you elect people to office to

0:13:41choose on your behalf but what makes

0:13:44that person a good chooser is not that

0:13:47they go into office already with it with

0:13:49it like an unshakable faith in their own

0:13:52ideas right it's what makes them a good

0:13:54choosers that they are that they're good

0:13:56listeners that they are thoughtful that

0:13:59they have a bra breadth of knowledge and

0:14:02then you empower that person to choose

0:14:04for for you and you have your faith in

0:14:08them you trust that they're going to

0:14:09choose based on what they have learned

0:14:11not based on what they already know her

0:14:15based on what they think they know are

0:14:16based on what they've known since they

0:14:18were five because everything they ever

0:14:20needed to know they learned in

0:14:21kindergarten

0:14:22yeah especially for a job or you know

0:14:24what to say at this level

0:14:25what I mean is that it is a again I

0:14:28don't know anything about politics but

0:14:30it strikes me that is a very it's it's a

0:14:34job where there's lots of where the

0:14:36decisions that you make have a

0:14:38potentially fairly short path from

0:14:41hopefully seemed like a good idea to

0:14:43being something that's doable to being

0:14:44something that can be implemented

0:14:45whereas you could run as 11 could run as

0:14:49an outsider in a presidential race

0:14:51mostly just stir things up and change

0:14:53the kinds of conversations that people

0:14:54have but you know there's obviously

0:14:56there's no evidence that that person

0:14:58necessarily gonna be great being

0:14:59president but it would become clear if

0:15:01they if they didn't have the gust 0 to

0:15:03jump into

0:15:05so what I'm trying to avoid what my wife

0:15:09about the issues like what

0:15:11Johnson's doesn't hate bureaucracy and I

0:15:13like actually John does not hate

0:15:14bureaucracy because he does not consider

0:15:15bureaucracy to be a bad word

0:15:18not in the sense of being like busywork

0:15:20or deliver push back to make government

0:15:23opaque and we have that episode we

0:15:25talked about Romania where they don't

0:15:27have any they don't have as so much of a

0:15:29bureaucracy

0:15:30I'm gonna get you trouble I don't you

0:15:32gotta remain in lobby there but

0:15:34specifically that you'll be driving down

0:15:35the street and someone is just

0:15:36necessarily there has been that way for

0:15:38months and it's a bureaucracy that

0:15:39enables you to have that sort of stuff

0:15:41happened

0:15:42having the right people make those

0:15:43decisions make sure that the sore loser

0:15:45in place right

0:15:46I write an effective bureaucracy is

0:15:48incredibly civilizing technology

0:15:53yeah and again a bureaucracy is another

0:15:55thought technology that it's it's it's

0:15:58our invention and if it works well my

0:16:01goodness you have you have someplace to

0:16:03go to file a complaint

0:16:05I mean think about it and expect

0:16:07something might actually be done about

0:16:08right file a complaint and somebody

0:16:09actually takes your complaint and then

0:16:11something changes right so no i mean i-i

0:16:14love that function of of local

0:16:16government and the thing about the thing

0:16:19about it here is that we really are what

0:16:22what's what's so fantastic about this

0:16:24moment is that I think nationwide

0:16:28there's this tremendous frustration we

0:16:30feel like nothing is working now that

0:16:32you know it's never been worse than it

0:16:34is now you hear people say that all the

0:16:36time people people young people kind of

0:16:38saving up asking as your grandparents

0:16:40about that all right hand and a certain

0:16:43level you know because because things

0:16:46like Ferguson happening because there's

0:16:48there's a greater wealth inequality than

0:16:51there's ever been to be at least in

0:16:53people's immediate lifetimes they feel

0:16:56like all these problems are

0:16:57insurmountable and it's know and i'm

0:16:59giving up hope and I'm a cynic it's

0:17:01there's no chance for us but in fact

0:17:03things have never been better than they

0:17:06are now there's never been more justice

0:17:09than there is now there's never been

0:17:10more quality than there is now like we

0:17:12have succeeded so much and now we're out

0:17:16on the car

0:17:17sip of making a giant stride people we

0:17:21have the technology to do it we have the

0:17:23consensus it at least in our cities that

0:17:27mean seattle is a liberal uh it's like

0:17:31us like a giant city where over the

0:17:35course of decades a pretty radical

0:17:39liberal consensus has settled in to

0:17:41place like even the Chamber of Commerce

0:17:45in seattle is liberal deeply liberal and

0:17:50this is this is an incredible

0:17:52opportunity but the thing about the

0:17:54thing about us is liberals have always

0:17:56felt persecuted they felt persecuted by

0:17:58the FBI and the police that the FBI was

0:18:01was wiretapping Martin Luther King like

0:18:04we're used to being in the opposition

0:18:07and so in a city like Seattle it's very

0:18:11hard for the Liberals here to recognize

0:18:12we are in charge here we this is a

0:18:16liberal utopia that is on the cusp of

0:18:19happening and we just have to we have to

0:18:22recognize that we are the establishment

0:18:24now and we can make a radical liberal

0:18:29agenda happen

0:18:31we just have to first of all recognize

0:18:34that we are not we're not proposing a

0:18:37violent revolution against ourselves

0:18:39like where the establishment we can put

0:18:41our policies into place and I really do

0:18:45believe more than ever before that who

0:18:49were on the verge of a technology

0:18:50revolution

0:18:51we've talked about this you and me so

0:18:54much but like we are in the next five

0:18:58years going to see technology transform

0:19:01cities like that the promise of the

0:19:04internet me no matter how II is sitting

0:19:07in his driveway trying to get his garage

0:19:08door to open from his phone and we laugh

0:19:11but the reality is that is the way that

0:19:15it's going and that is going to

0:19:17transform our urban life and that's

0:19:21incredibly exciting and nobody in city

0:19:24government here or in san francisco or

0:19:27really anywhere is

0:19:29trying to say listen in the next 10

0:19:31years a lot of these 20th century

0:19:33problems are going to change radically

0:19:35and seattle is still trying to build a

0:19:39highway tunnel under the city to solve a

0:19:43twentieth-century traffic problem

0:19:45uh-huh okay you know what I mean yeah

0:19:47yeah but the 21st century solution is

0:19:51like it's it's almost here

0:19:53the thing is we can't quite see it right

0:19:55Elon Musk is developing it in his garage

0:19:58but it's actually real you know and

0:20:02we're gonna have we're gonna have a real

0:20:06switcheroo in terms of what what are

0:20:10open

0:20:11what are benign toolboxes so anyway we

0:20:16have in seattle at least we have a

0:20:17little a general liberal consensus we

0:20:19have we're on the cusp of this

0:20:21technology wave and we also like San

0:20:24Francisco have this prosperity wave

0:20:27there's so much money right and it's

0:20:33just time to turn that money into cool

0:20:36things you know school city thing the

0:20:38thing is how he strikes me I always um

0:20:41like what our current president was

0:20:44running for president I was one of those

0:20:46people that one of those very relatively

0:20:48few people most of my friends were like

0:20:50that guy seems amazing he's certainly a

0:20:53great speaker

0:20:53he's obviously got a great heart but I

0:20:56was always a little more than a little

0:20:58bit resistant although I was resistant

0:21:01to him being marketed in terms of the

0:21:03word hope but I was downright cynical

0:21:05about how much I felt like people who

0:21:07should know better

0:21:08didn't understand what's really involved

0:21:10in being the president and I don't even

0:21:12talk about it today because you know i

0:21:14think the guy still does a pretty great

0:21:16job but at the same time you know those

0:21:18posters probably seemed a little bit

0:21:19weird i mean if you if you like Martian

0:21:21Selma oh my god talk about hope I mean

0:21:24what what could be a greater thing i

0:21:26would not in a million years but I think

0:21:27it's important that instance to separate

0:21:29the the amazing historical shift then

0:21:32specifically and having the block IB

0:21:34president it's huge but I the things we

0:21:38always go through my head

0:21:39this for his job and even more so maybe

0:21:41for your job is like how much of your

0:21:43day

0:21:44maybe that's not strictly true but how

0:21:46much of your day you end up having to

0:21:48decide who's gonna be disappointed by

0:21:50what you decide what you decided i don't

0:21:52know how much you get to decide but by

0:21:54how much has to be implemented in a

0:21:56certain way for the greater good or

0:21:58whatever that's the part that I that I

0:22:00find so for me also unappealing about a

0:22:02job like that i wanna be loved

0:22:04yeah and I would find it so difficult to

0:22:06know what you I mean anybody's you

0:22:08you've had to run a band out of a van

0:22:10and you know what it means when you say

0:22:12no we can't take a pee break now and no

0:22:14you can't have french fries

0:22:15he's not in the budget it's not fun but

0:22:18I i wonder how you feel about that

0:22:19because it just seems like no matter

0:22:22what job you take in politics setting

0:22:24aside all the optics of how you end up

0:22:25looking a certain way to somebody it

0:22:27seems like a block of your job has to be

0:22:29saying no or maybe at times it would be

0:22:32nice to be able to just always say yes

0:22:33when this is the this is the reason that

0:22:36we have such a struggle with with people

0:22:39that hold public office is that every

0:22:42single situation involves somebody

0:22:46making a compromise and we keep

0:22:49collecting people who are dishonest

0:22:52about that and who say we can have

0:22:56everything we can have our cake and eat

0:22:57it too

0:22:58everybody wins and making sacrifices

0:23:02isn't bad like it's part of living in a

0:23:06city it's part of its part of being part

0:23:09of a family right you make sacrifices

0:23:11and there's something incredibly noble

0:23:15about that and the problem with our

0:23:17culture is that we we are afraid to say

0:23:20that and so we lie about it and then

0:23:23when the sacrifices come people feel

0:23:24betrayed the what we need are people who

0:23:30go up to public office and say listen

0:23:32everybody's going to have to pitch in

0:23:33here and that's a wonderful thing that's

0:23:36a wonderful business and a and the

0:23:39people that have the opportunity to

0:23:41pitch in or the or the

0:23:43who have the prosperity the kitchen a

0:23:46little bit more right like here's how

0:23:48and we welcome your contribution and you

0:23:51know so often from the left there's this

0:23:54sense of of saying like well income

0:23:56inequality is uh is this intolerable

0:24:00thing which it is but what that means is

0:24:02that the rich are enemy and the only way

0:24:06that we will redistribute the wealth is

0:24:08that we go to war with the rich and

0:24:12that's very galvanizing it makes people

0:24:16feel like boy you've really got a plan

0:24:18and where we've got we're going to take

0:24:20some action here also that you're not

0:24:22afraid to tell me the thing I kinda was

0:24:24expecting to hear and wanted to hear

0:24:25yeah right you're not which is very very

0:24:27simple tell me the exciting thing that I

0:24:30already thought but it's very different

0:24:33to say like you know the people

0:24:35certainly the people in Seattle who are

0:24:37the most rich and the most famous you

0:24:41know there are people that had an idea

0:24:43and they turned it into a business in

0:24:44them then American capitalism took that

0:24:46business and turn it into an enormous

0:24:48pile of money but they are not our enemy

0:24:53they are as people who need to be

0:24:55encouraged by our culture and by I mean

0:24:59select I mean selective judicious

0:25:01application of laws and regulation but

0:25:04also a community commitment to say hi

0:25:08you are super rich you live in this town

0:25:11we know you want to help

0:25:13here's how you can help we're going to

0:25:15do a public-private partnership that

0:25:17funds our transit with the funds of the

0:25:20construction of rail and that rail is

0:25:23going to go right through the

0:25:24neighborhoods where you build your

0:25:25business so it's going to serve you and

0:25:26it's going to serve your your companies

0:25:29and we need a little help in the form of

0:25:31your contribution because when you built

0:25:36this business here you stressed the

0:25:38infrastructure of the city and that's

0:25:40great that's growth and that's how it

0:25:41works but now it's time to give back and

0:25:43i don't mean give back by just paying

0:25:47your income tax I mean recognize that

0:25:50you you need that you need to step up

0:25:52and be be actually a corporate citizen

0:25:55and take some responsibility

0:25:57and that kind of you know and that

0:26:01includes like oh did you move to seattle

0:26:03are because you got a really high-paying

0:26:05tech job and now you're living in a cool

0:26:08off downtown and you have a BMW 740i and

0:26:13then the biggest TV that you can buy and

0:26:15now you still have more money than you

0:26:17know what to do with well great

0:26:18here's an opportunity for you to also be

0:26:21part of civic life and put a little bit

0:26:23of that money into making the city a

0:26:25better place for people that don't start

0:26:27making that kind of cash and that

0:26:30conversation which is not about passing

0:26:32laws as much as it is about saying in

0:26:37cities like Seattle we do business a

0:26:38different way and we're not just going

0:26:41to default to Wall Street values or

0:26:46cupertino tech bro values you know we're

0:26:51gonna we're gonna not default we're

0:26:54going to assert our values which are

0:26:58actually progressive urbanist and and

0:27:02there's a higher income you know doing

0:27:03business in seattle has a lot of

0:27:04incentives it also comes with an

0:27:06additional opportunity to put your money

0:27:11where your mouth this you know i mean

0:27:12Jeff Bezos is a liberal and he wants to

0:27:16do a good job

0:27:18i mean i-i think about Bill Gates Bill

0:27:21Gates was the richest man in the world

0:27:22for 15 years and he never gave away a

0:27:24penny until will warren buffett called

0:27:29him and said hey hey it's an

0:27:32embarrassment really true

0:27:34yeah Wow called him and said listen

0:27:36you're the richest man in the world you

0:27:37need to have a foundation you start

0:27:39giving your money away to not do it is

0:27:40an embarrassment and Bill Gates heard it

0:27:44and started the Gates Foundation which

0:27:46is an incredible asset to the world

0:27:48right but nobody passed the law that

0:27:52forced bill gates to redistribute his

0:27:55income somebody called him and said hey

0:27:58Kai you want to do a better job than

0:28:00this and you need to do it and Bill

0:28:04Gates was a human being and he heard

0:28:06that message and he and you know and

0:28:08that isn't that's not naive to

0:28:11talk about from the standpoint of of

0:28:13somebody running for office

0:28:15it's you can't go through life saying

0:28:18everybody that that has more money than

0:28:20me is morally suspect the the the real

0:28:26job is to say listen we're all in this

0:28:28together

0:28:29it's hard on everybody and like don't

0:28:34you want to help and that applies to

0:28:36people that are making $50,000 to we

0:28:40want to make it we want to make this

0:28:41city a better place

0:28:42ok everybody pick up a shovel right

0:28:45Graham and that is that is that that is

0:28:50the difference between like running for

0:28:51office and saying here's my three-point

0:28:53plan to pass laws to to penalize

0:28:56developers and to create a you know

0:28:59purple carp and it's like great every

0:29:01one of those laws that you pass creates

0:29:04a cascading wave of problems you didn't

0:29:07anticipate you need to pass laws pretty

0:29:12judiciously and you need to think about

0:29:15all the potential problems you know

0:29:16before you just start saying alright our

0:29:18new law is because we've seen we've seen

0:29:21that countless time so it happens every

0:29:24year there's a new law

0:29:25Oh hundred thousand new problems but

0:29:29there isn't there is nothing naive or at

0:29:35and i think it is the purview of some of

0:29:37somebody on something for instance like

0:29:39a city council to say hello Seattle we

0:29:43have we have to we have to evolve a

0:29:46different way of doing business here and

0:29:48that can be exciting for us that can be

0:29:51that is absolutely the way this

0:29:55conversation should happen and I don't

0:29:59you know I don't know if Jeff Bezos is

0:30:01listening to reach pretty sure that you

0:30:04know sometimes you should just in that

0:30:06is so Jeff just speaking to you directly

0:30:08this is a fantastic opportunity and I

0:30:10have some ideas about affordable housing

0:30:12to build down in the neighborhood around

0:30:15amazon and I have some clear ideas about

0:30:18transit ticket those many workers in and

0:30:20out of your campus

0:30:22and its really in the long run not going

0:30:24to cost that much

0:30:26mmm yeah already getting good at this

0:30:29right see all right here's the thing

0:30:31about a pivot I want to hear

0:30:34okay i want to come out against are

0:30:35gonna talk about your new way of cooking

0:30:36chicken or we find out early for the

0:30:38next few months I won't have time to do

0:30:40you know how many people I can help you

0:30:45have any idea its they could not be any

0:30:47simpler and people are not going to go

0:30:49to hear about until late November what

0:30:51would i would go you chicken thing

0:30:52chicken thing

0:30:53no you know what we're going to do is

0:30:55going to be operated thing about equal

0:30:56time John equal time about this podcast

0:30:58is that it cannot be just about making

0:31:04Seattle a better place to live it has to

0:31:06be about making the world a better place

0:31:07to making the world a better place and

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0:31:11chicken cooking techniques

0:31:13alright and say that feels really

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0:32:46there's a pivot that I think first of

0:32:48all I don't know why at the 30-minute

0:32:51mark I feel the need to say this I like

0:32:53to point out is not a prefers this is

0:32:54real John is actually doing this like

0:32:56you you know people are going to ask

0:32:58yeah well I'm and one of the things

0:33:00about one of the things about my

0:33:03candidacy is that it is an unusual thing

0:33:06for somebody like me to run for public

0:33:08office and and so yeah they're going to

0:33:13be people who are like can this can this

0:33:15be real and so you got you got Peter

0:33:17Garrett you got jello biafra you got Tom

0:33:20Ammiano you got all kinds of people from

0:33:21the arts moving into politics you got

0:33:23that the ronald reagan ronald reagan

0:33:25that's right he moved from the arts into

0:33:27politics and brought his brought this

0:33:29classic artistic sensibility to what we

0:33:32look for direct knowledge pick the

0:33:34conduct of his office both as governor

0:33:36of california and president

0:33:38yeah you really wanted to do to San

0:33:40Francisco with highways who dr. well he

0:33:43you know Reagan is the one who took art

0:33:45who defunded art right he's the one that

0:33:48defunded the Arts in America because

0:33:50Robert Mapplethorpe did some to add some

0:33:55naked pictures yeah yeah and you know

0:33:58and that is that's a legacy that we are

0:34:03still suffering from ok so here's a big

0:34:05thing on during our the big pivot is I'm

0:34:09curious the questions i have I think

0:34:11we'll have plenty of time to hear about

0:34:12your platform

0:34:13haha i've had had a good three years of

0:34:17hearing about your platform already

0:34:18oh you wanna hear about my platform

0:34:20gonna call you after we get done with

0:34:21this podcast and i've been napping on

0:34:23your platform from us and the past

0:34:26supertree but we're going here goes

0:34:29so the I don't know um i guess i'm

0:34:33curious about their students i can go

0:34:35and you can pick which one of these you

0:34:37want but the the the what kind of

0:34:39question i'm super curious about is how

0:34:41does this change stuff in your in your

0:34:43your life and you talk about it anyway

0:34:46you want the other thing i'd like to

0:34:48talk about is what do you think it's

0:34:50gonna be most difficult about this you

0:34:51can take the second question first if

0:34:52you want i want i mean what's difficult

0:34:55about this not just in terms of making

0:34:57it happen what's hard for you what do

0:34:58you have to sacrifice one of the things

0:35:00you're most on the bubble about either

0:35:01in terms of concern or worry or

0:35:04sacrifice that like you kind of go now

0:35:06I'm gonna miss that being that way

0:35:08other things like that there you go like

0:35:10well I'm gonna set these kinds of things

0:35:12aside

0:35:13yeah but in the run-up to this I talked

0:35:16to a lot of people in the professional

0:35:18political class and they all gave me

0:35:20very good advice it was all super good

0:35:22advice but and and over the course of

0:35:26several weeks of thinking about it all

0:35:28that advice creek caused a lot of

0:35:30anxiety in me because the way that

0:35:33people in the professional political

0:35:34class imagine it is that you run

0:35:36somebody for office is that they have a

0:35:39plan of a certain way of doing things

0:35:41and your plan should have a certain

0:35:43number of points I understand

0:35:44well it's but the thing is it's very

0:35:46interesting listicle for politics

0:35:48it really is right but it is very

0:35:50analogous to what happens when you're a

0:35:52brand new band and you're about to put

0:35:54your record out everybody that you

0:35:56talked to in the music industry has a

0:35:58very clear idea about what you need to

0:35:59do next and they are more than happy to

0:36:03tell you about what you need to do and

0:36:06the problem is that that's all true

0:36:08until a man comes along that doesn't do

0:36:10any of those things and becomes the

0:36:11biggest band in the world right and so

0:36:13this was when i joined the music

0:36:15business

0:36:16everybody said I mean that seriously I

0:36:18and I know you remember this

0:36:19people said oh don't go on the internet

0:36:21and talk to your fans right they don't

0:36:23you know you need to maintain an air

0:36:25mystique that's just rock and roll and

0:36:28they say oh you need to you know don't

0:36:30waste your money releasing vinyl nobody

0:36:32buys vinyl anymore

0:36:33save that money to spend on opening

0:36:37weekend to try and get your record in

0:36:39the top 10

0:36:41I'll say that for pitch for cats right

0:36:43but you know or just like or you know

0:36:45get it on myspace or whatever I mean

0:36:47everybody knew exactly what you were

0:36:49supposed to do until until the game

0:36:53changed and that wasn't how you did it

0:36:55anymore

0:36:56so in the run-up to this people were

0:36:59giving me a lot of advice and what they

0:37:00were trying to do was either put me into

0:37:02a box where I was claiming to be a

0:37:06social activist or I was claiming to be

0:37:09a you know like up like that music had

0:37:14been this hobby but really i'd been a

0:37:16secret politician the whole time and at

0:37:19a certain point a few weeks ago I i said

0:37:22to this group of advisors I was like

0:37:24listen okay you know what this is this

0:37:27is causing me a lot of stress because

0:37:29I'm not either one of those things i am

0:37:31an artist and I made a life for myself

0:37:33as an artist and I believe in the

0:37:35transformative power of art and if i can

0:37:38get elected to the seattle city council

0:37:39up with that then I can then i will run

0:37:44because i believe it and I believe that

0:37:49that art is a is one of the pillars of

0:37:52civilization if you are telling me that

0:37:55the only way I can get elected to the

0:37:57seattle city council is that I pretend

0:37:58that I've been a housing activists this

0:38:01entire time or that I that I portray

0:38:03myself as a as like a legal expert on

0:38:09local government then there's no point

0:38:12there's no point in me lying to people

0:38:14because every other candidate is

0:38:16portraying themselves in a certain light

0:38:18and I'm just I have to just be myself

0:38:20and I do believe that I can get elected

0:38:23by doing that but it requires that we

0:38:26that we change people's expectations i

0:38:31guess but so that is the that's the

0:38:34thing that's caused me the most stress

0:38:36and it is the thing that is maybe going

0:38:38to be the most difficult um you know for

0:38:43me personally I have I relish my free

0:38:50time and I relish the fact that i don't

0:38:53have to wake up at the crack of dawn but

0:38:55I wasn't gonna bring it up and this is

0:38:58going to require that I that I change

0:39:01that about myself but you know that is

0:39:06very very do

0:39:08global that is a you know those are

0:39:10luxuries that by afforded myself but

0:39:14I've said on this podcast and you and I

0:39:16have talked for years about the fact

0:39:18that you have to set that you have to

0:39:23set your aspirations for yourself

0:39:25somewhere and you get to be 45 years old

0:39:29and there's a tremendous pole to set

0:39:33your aspirations for yourself right

0:39:34about where you're at right

0:39:37oh you know what my aspirations are to

0:39:38just keep burbling along like I'm doing

0:39:41there's a lot less disappointing right

0:39:43right because it's so scary to be 45 and

0:39:45to do something that puts you right back

0:39:49in a place where you don't know what's

0:39:50going to happen next

0:39:51it's much better to be like I know the

0:39:53band's I like and I know the

0:39:54neighborhood I like to go to and I and

0:39:56I'd I go to the pub and they know me by

0:39:58name and and I'm doing pretty good but

0:40:04but that isn't that isn't enough for me

0:40:06and never has been in and so you know do

0:40:09I have to get up in the morning in order

0:40:11to do this I I absolutely do

0:40:14and do i have to learn to love it i'm

0:40:18not sure if that's possible but it is

0:40:21you know I am galvanized by a desire to

0:40:25do something you know to take the

0:40:28privilege that Seattle has afforded me

0:40:30and and turn that back into sacrifice

0:40:36yeah but like specifically candidate

0:40:40like what it what do you what do you uh

0:40:43what I realize this is gonna be a crazy

0:40:45process and there's a lot of sugar be

0:40:48learning about and reacting to as it

0:40:49comes along but you know do you have in

0:40:51mind are there things that you know

0:40:52already where you go well that's the

0:40:54thing i'm just not gonna be able to do

0:40:56or the way that I like or at all or in a

0:41:00different way

0:41:01I mean obviously there's a thing of like

0:41:03you know being able to talk in the way

0:41:04that you might like on the show I mean I

0:41:06know you're not a man whose necessarily

0:41:07I don't think you somebody who purchases

0:41:09what you say too much to begin with but

0:41:12I mean like is there like as far as time

0:41:13and stuff to you talk last year I'm

0:41:15gonna get a refresher or

0:41:17refer the gentleman to your earlier

0:41:19remarks that you want to do my

0:41:20songwriting this year and I guess this

0:41:22probably came up in the interregnum but

0:41:24what's the kind of stuff where you go

0:41:25like that's gonna just have to be okay

0:41:27for me to not do this particular thing

0:41:29for a while other things like that

0:41:31well you know this is absolutely going

0:41:34to change my parenting

0:41:36um I've had the opportunity to spend the

0:41:40first four years of my daughter's life

0:41:41kind of a at my leisure with her and now

0:41:45i have to do what every parent has to do

0:41:48which is learn to budget my time better

0:41:49and learn to budget my time in such a

0:41:53way that the last thing that suffers is

0:41:56my daughter and that is going to require

0:41:58a lot of a lot of additional effort and

0:42:01thinking on my part to make sure that

0:42:03she doesn't see less of me and yet I am

0:42:08also doing all this new and additional

0:42:11work who that you know the work that I

0:42:15do now is real work it often looks like

0:42:18sitting and staring at the wall it also

0:42:21often looks like dreaming but that is

0:42:24real creative work

0:42:26the thing about this undertaking is that

0:42:29the work that I need to do often just

0:42:31looks like being there you know it means

0:42:34getting up and getting in the car and

0:42:35being there on time

0:42:37listen to people takes a lot of time it

0:42:39does not become not being silly i mean

0:42:40making yourself available just 22

0:42:46I mean I I'm just to my own completely

0:42:48non political experience and just the

0:42:50number of people that have my email

0:42:51address and can't one can email me or

0:42:53text me like I don't always want to have

0:42:55to talk to people all the time and it

0:42:56seems like you're gonna have to have an

0:42:59amount of on the one hand access

0:43:01different than probably ever before that

0:43:04you welcome and embrace but also that

0:43:06there's going to be a lot more stuff i

0:43:08mean look at the last couple what the

0:43:09last week set aside being second easter

0:43:11just how many times we have to change

0:43:12the scheduling just good stuff that's

0:43:14that's happened that's it that's going

0:43:15to become like a thing you're going to

0:43:16have to like be okay with how often

0:43:19circumstances require you to do

0:43:21something differently

0:43:22yeah I i do have to and I have to be I

0:43:25have to be there in a way but you know

0:43:29it's funny I was doing a photoshoot

0:43:30tonight

0:43:31downtown getting some pictures you know

0:43:35up for the launch and i'm standing on

0:43:40the street corner and a group of women

0:43:42comes by and they're like hey you're

0:43:44John Roderick and I go yeah hi

0:43:46and they go what are you doing why you

0:43:47standing you're getting your picture

0:43:48taken you know they're all their little

0:43:49bit older than me they're also women in

0:43:51their early fifties and I said guess

0:43:54what I'm running for City Council and

0:43:56they were like oh my god that's

0:43:57fantastic and we stood and we talked

0:43:59about the city for a minute

0:44:01we talked about what they perceive to be

0:44:03the problems in the city and then they

0:44:06were very content to say fantastic

0:44:10we are so glad that you're running you

0:44:13have our vote and then we all took a

0:44:14picture together and then they were like

0:44:17goodbye because there's a different way

0:44:20of there's a different way that people

0:44:22want to talk to a candidate if you know

0:44:25if I had been like I'm just standing out

0:44:27here thinking about some songs and

0:44:29talking about some songs they would have

0:44:31said great let's all what let's stay

0:44:33here together for an hour and a half but

0:44:35I'm a candidate for political office and

0:44:37there's something in that where people

0:44:38recognized I mean your most people

0:44:40normal people recognize that you go

0:44:43great let's get a picture you have our

0:44:44votes goodbye and I'm standing there

0:44:47having had this wonderful experience

0:44:49with these people

0:44:50I'm thinking well this is interesting

0:44:51that was a that's they knew me as a

0:44:54musician but when i said that i was

0:44:57running for office all of a sudden we

0:44:59had a very different conversation it was

0:45:00yeah I read about that it's gonna be

0:45:01real different

0:45:02it was very enjoyable to like they were

0:45:05excited i was running they offered their

0:45:07support

0:45:08he may be found a new way to make people

0:45:09afraid of talking to you well so when I

0:45:12would love to get a course on that so I

0:45:14walked down the street about half a

0:45:16block and there's another group of like

0:45:18five people standing there there are a

0:45:20couple of families they have a couple of

0:45:22little kids and they're like hey uh

0:45:24you're John Roderick and I go yeah hello

0:45:28and I'm thinking to myself from this is

0:45:29interesting like ever all the sudden i'm

0:45:31walking down the street doing a

0:45:33photoshoot and everybody in the world

0:45:35knows who I am what but it's very

0:45:37unusual right to see somebody standing

0:45:39there getting their picture taken on the

0:45:41sidewalk

0:45:43and so this group of people says hi you

0:45:44know what are you doing and I say oh I'm

0:45:47running for public office and they said

0:45:48we just overheard you talking to those

0:45:50people and we wondered if that was what

0:45:51it was and I said yes I'm running for

0:45:54City Council we talked for a few minutes

0:45:57they told me what they thought needed to

0:46:01happen in the city and they said we're

0:46:03so excited for you you have our vote

0:46:05let's get a picture

0:46:07goodbye and I was like what is this this

0:46:12is a very different as soon as your

0:46:14candidate people are talking to

0:46:15differently so it is about being there

0:46:18it's about talking to people but also

0:46:20it's a completely different conversation

0:46:23than the way people want to talk to

0:46:25their favorite musician

0:46:27Wow and so it's so you know quite

0:46:33candidly I was energized by both

0:46:36exchanges and and that was exciting to

0:46:40me now i know that running for public

0:46:43office there's gonna be somebody that

0:46:44wants to talk to me about chemtrails for

0:46:46an hour and a half but little do they

0:46:49know that i am an expert on chemtrails

0:46:51but also you might you might want to

0:46:53have a blue ribbon panel but here's the

0:46:54thing i am i'm gonna i'm gonna have a

0:46:58campaign manager who's standing next to

0:46:59me with some kind of a large phone and

0:47:05that camp and i already have this person

0:47:07my campaign manager already is a person

0:47:09who actually has a large phone

0:47:11Wow see that was that smart staffing mhm

0:47:13and this campaign manager it is good

0:47:15question do you have a large phone

0:47:16yes a large fuckin I see it can IC you

0:47:19operate and but but then the person the

0:47:22person is gonna come up and say what I'm

0:47:24going to do about chemtrails and mine

0:47:26and of course I'm gonna go let me tell

0:47:28you about my policy about chemtrails and

0:47:32my campaign manager with my with the

0:47:34large phone is going to lean in and i'm

0:47:36going to say mr. Roderick we have to go

0:47:38and I'm gonna go you don't want I don't

0:47:40want I want to engage you on chemtrails

0:47:42I really do but we're going to table

0:47:44this until I see you next and i will not

0:47:47be lying

0:47:48yeah but also i will be able to get away

0:47:51because i have somebody whose job it is

0:47:53to recognize the tin foil hat

0:47:56even with a year about the even when

0:48:01they're under a different kind of hat so

0:48:04anyway so that is good you know my life

0:48:07was my life is going to change it really

0:48:09is and a lot of it is going to be

0:48:10availability to people accessibility but

0:48:13you know there's another thing which is

0:48:15I realized as going into this I don't

0:48:19want to run against the other people who

0:48:22are campaigning for the seat

0:48:23it sounds like what you described I mean

0:48:25private i guess but you sound like you

0:48:27have a lot of respect for the people

0:48:28were running i have absolutely nothing

0:48:30against my opponents I think anybody

0:48:33that wants to having just even entered

0:48:35into the process as much as I have I

0:48:37have tremendous respect for anybody that

0:48:39runs for office it is excruciatingly

0:48:41difficult and it really is sacrifice you

0:48:44know it when we talk about we think

0:48:46people for their service who have served

0:48:49in the military i heard they don't like

0:48:51that I interesting that you know they

0:48:54they think they think each other for

0:48:56their service

0:48:57uh-huh it thinking somebody for their

0:48:59service where it feels gratuitous or it

0:49:01feels like it's some kind of way to pat

0:49:04yourself was like me talking to Ramona

0:49:06in the last day of the cruise it's a

0:49:07little condescending right you don't

0:49:09want to condescend to somebody who

0:49:10actually has who has done some heart

0:49:13literally risk their life for several

0:49:15years and then you get to be you get to

0:49:17congratulate yourself because you thank

0:49:19them for their service great they can

0:49:21smell that I think but the reality is

0:49:24that public service takes a lot of forms

0:49:26and one of those forms is engaging in

0:49:28your is participating in your government

0:49:30so I don't want to die I don't have no

0:49:33desire to run for this office by

0:49:36denigrating my opponents or by a by

0:49:41saying you sir are no Jack Kennedy or

0:49:43whatever maybe what I mean I'm you

0:49:47haven't asked if you want some help

0:49:48coming up with singers like that I'd be

0:49:49happy to write well you know what i have

0:49:51i have lloyd bentsen on my speed dial

0:49:52[Music]

0:49:54haha i but but

0:49:58and so in the end of the fact is i do

0:50:00not know at some point in this election

0:50:03and I'm absolutely sure it will happen

0:50:04that somebody will say something really

0:50:08nasty about me

0:50:09no I think it's something i don't think

0:50:10it's gonna happen i think well you know

0:50:12it's hard to know it depends really its

0:50:13early days it's early and it probably

0:50:15won't happen tomorrow but somewhere

0:50:17along the line I do everything right and

0:50:20cha but somebody's gonna take a shot at

0:50:22me and of course as you know those of us

0:50:25who spend all our time on the internet

0:50:26we do not want people to yell at us a

0:50:30and part of this job is putting yourself

0:50:34out there and inviting at least

0:50:38affording people the opportunity if they

0:50:40want to yell at you

0:50:41here you are I would go further than

0:50:42that it's part of your job to take out

0:50:45that's right it's it's it's not optional

0:50:47right and so that is that will require a

0:50:51kind of a well you know what ultimately

0:50:54i think a kind of humility and as you

0:50:58know I've been trying to learn and

0:51:03embrace humility for a long time and

0:51:08even gearing up this much to run for

0:51:10office like the humility opportunities

0:51:15come every day on a big platter and if

0:51:20you run for office like full of

0:51:22arrogance its it's here it's a gross to

0:51:28a service or a gross miss apprehension

0:51:29of what the job is

0:51:30and I really do feel like the humility

0:51:36of standing there and letting people

0:51:38take shots at you and and then and and

0:51:44and you keep standing and you keep

0:51:45talking about what you think matters is

0:51:48something that I I've been practicing

0:51:51for it for a long time and you know i

0:51:53don't think anybody looks forward to it

0:51:56but it's really going to change it for

0:51:58me and particularly you know I mean I

0:52:01have a kid I don't want she can't read

0:52:03the newspapers yet but one day she will

0:52:06she'll be sitting in the library stacks

0:52:08looking at a microfiche uh-huh and

0:52:11she'll be reading the newspaper accounts

0:52:12on her microfiche because even though

0:52:15the internet is going to transform urban

0:52:17life

0:52:18yes still students will read microfiche

0:52:20absolutely it's part of the core

0:52:21curriculum that father what did you do

0:52:23during the chemtrails force

0:52:24yeah and she'll be there looking at the

0:52:26microfiche and there will be some

0:52:27newspaper article where somebody says

0:52:29have I have you ever really listened to

0:52:35the supertrain episode of their podcast

0:52:37that's nothing

0:52:40haha that's that that's a romp that

0:52:43one's that one's I think that one's

0:52:45actually that would bring a lot of

0:52:46people into your big tension if I could

0:52:48you think so yeah oh yeah that's not I'm

0:52:50not gonna I'm not gonna help that i'm

0:52:51not gonna help the competition by

0:52:52picking out upset but you did you think

0:52:54it will bring all the boys to the yard

0:52:55make it sure could

0:52:57mm ah but you this is gonna be your job

0:53:02now

0:53:02yeah right i mean let's be clear here

0:53:05you need to campaign for are the primary

0:53:08and then if and when you succeed that

0:53:11you go onto the election where this is

0:53:14going to be your job at least through

0:53:15the summer

0:53:16yeah right and and that and they'll

0:53:18here's the worst part we haven't talked

0:53:19about this up fundraising yeah yeah yeah

0:53:24the whole game is is asking people for

0:53:27money thing that we all hate to do right

0:53:29and so asking people for money is and

0:53:34the thing is asking them for money and

0:53:35then they go okay with what we sure will

0:53:38support you and then you ask them again

0:53:41hey remember when you said you supported

0:53:43me we will give me that money and

0:53:44they're like okay we sure will thanks

0:53:45for calling again and then you look and

0:53:48you see that they didn't give you the

0:53:49money and then you call him again you go

0:53:50hey just me calling to check in like

0:53:52it's the worst and you do that until

0:53:56they either give you money or they say

0:53:58listen don't ever call here again and

0:54:00even then I think you have to call them

0:54:02against AI know that you told me not to

0:54:04do this but the so the advantage is that

0:54:08the way that seattle City

0:54:09elections work the maximum amount that

0:54:12anybody can donate to use seven hundred

0:54:14dollars so there is at least a ceiling

0:54:19where if somebody has given you seven

0:54:21hundred dollars you just can't take any

0:54:23more money from them

0:54:23compile and make the whole soccer team

0:54:25give you money or something like that

0:54:26well there are a lot of ethics rules

0:54:28about that if it ever if everybody that

0:54:31works for paul allen gives you seven

0:54:32hundred dollars the ethics committee is

0:54:34going to is going to take some of those

0:54:35people aside and say Colin make you do

0:54:39this and if they say yeah he kind of did

0:54:41then that's our that's a super violation

0:54:44of this is gonna be so crazy right it's

0:54:47gnarly anything so many times you seven

0:54:49hundred dollars and then they then they

0:54:52are also give you like a silver

0:54:55candlestick and they say here's a

0:54:57candlestick use it for your election the

0:54:59value of that candlestick has to be

0:55:02computed into the amount they have given

0:55:06you and if they've already given you

0:55:07seven dollars they can't give you the

0:55:09candlestick you have to give it back all

0:55:10you love candlesticks like 910 and the

0:55:13thing is if you're running a campaign of

0:55:14course you want a big table and you want

0:55:16some candlesticks on it and that's a

0:55:18huge differentiator there was AI episode

0:55:20of fresh air the other day which is

0:55:21where I learned everything and i think

0:55:26it was i was on a mission to remember

0:55:27right it was a David being cruelly in

0:55:29for dave davies in for terry gross haha

0:55:31was apparently away and now that was a

0:55:35great interview with this woman let me

0:55:37get her name judge to bail cop and she

0:55:39was the former I think she's the Chief

0:55:42Justice of Alabama and was intimated you

0:55:46should hear that it was amazing

0:55:47interview because now that she's out of

0:55:48office she's advocating strongly for the

0:55:51idea that judges should not be elected

0:55:54positions that it's very unusual like

0:55:56internationally there are not that many

0:55:58good first world countries where you

0:55:59elect judges and that the whole idea of

0:56:01like having to do elections is such as a

0:56:05judge and having to see people come

0:56:06before you right now that how insanely

0:56:08but i guess not

0:56:09I mean that angle is interesting but the

0:56:11way she handles it she's really honest

0:56:13about it and talks is really and I feel

0:56:14like I have no way of knowing but I felt

0:56:16like she was very honest about talking

0:56:18to you feel her discomfort about the

0:56:20basic process where she had to get

0:56:22somebody on the phone

0:56:23and and like get up to the point of

0:56:25asking for money and basically say can I

0:56:27have my finance person contact you

0:56:28the thing is and what she's exactly as

0:56:31clear she's about that and the pain of

0:56:32that she's exactly as clear saying i

0:56:33could not have been elected if I hadn't

0:56:35done that

0:56:35yeah yeah yeah it's in everything that

0:56:37she did was ethical she didn't do

0:56:39anything wrong nobody was nothing

0:56:40anybody anything wrong except that the

0:56:42institution of what makes those kinds of

0:56:44things legal is is difficult for

0:56:46everybody it is and the problem with it

0:56:48is that somebody gives you a some money

0:56:50and then there is just inherent in that

0:56:54a lot of expectation when I gave you

0:56:56that money and somebody like me i have a

0:56:59tremendous advantage which is that I'm

0:57:01not beholden to anybody right I didn't

0:57:04come up out of the union's I didn't come

0:57:07up out of the prosecutor's office right

0:57:09i am a completely free agent who also

0:57:13like knows every nook and cranny of

0:57:15Seattle and so I go into this able to

0:57:19say i am i'm clean and I'm also like I

0:57:25have a have a moral compass I'm not

0:57:27liable to a to have somebody sidle up to

0:57:32me and hand me a briefcase and somebody

0:57:34just gives you a candle get write it

0:57:35down

0:57:36well there's only free to get back to me

0:57:38on that if you need me know I i went and

0:57:40had a long meeting with the with the

0:57:42Seattle elections ethics office where

0:57:46all of that was it was talked about and

0:57:49there are really clear rules for

0:57:51everything you know but they aren't they

0:57:53are clear they're not and I was no

0:57:55they're not good and if you take money

0:57:56from somebody you need to have been

0:57:58their name and address and phone number

0:58:00two I mean you can't just if somebody

0:58:02walks up and says here seven hundred

0:58:03dollars in a paper bag good luck

0:58:05you have to hand it back to them you

0:58:08have to say you need to fill out a form

0:58:10right that allows us to know that you

0:58:12gave me this money but this becomes

0:58:13that's gonna have to be a big part of

0:58:15what you do for the next few months

0:58:17writing especially first was getting I

0:58:19don't know anything about anything but

0:58:21only part of it is like getting that

0:58:22money from other people show 0 serious

0:58:25and then absolutely

0:58:26ok we are early money is like yeast

0:58:28right like you start getting that and

0:58:29then people want to give me more

0:58:31it's the way you communicate to the

0:58:33professional political class

0:58:35no journalists and the people who are

0:58:37watching the race it's the way you

0:58:38communicate that you are contender is

0:58:40strictly that you have money and that's

0:58:43why you end up with people running for

0:58:46office who are already millionaires and

0:58:48they just use their own money and that's

0:58:50why we're taking those people seriously

0:58:51because they have money and and it

0:58:53doesn't mean that they are actually

0:58:56serious people or good people

0:58:58it just means that they start out with

0:59:00the advantage of having the money to run

0:59:02a campaign that the advantage that i

0:59:06have that the other candidates don't is

0:59:09that I'm not struggling for name

0:59:11recognition and also there's nobody else

0:59:15running for City office who lives on the

0:59:19internet the way I do

0:59:21who and so I've never you know I've

0:59:24never gone to the internet and ask them

0:59:26for anything all i do is give to the

0:59:29internet you know this about me I do

0:59:31know that I leave until my eyeballs hard

0:59:35about whether you even want to

0:59:36participate once you did you just open

0:59:38those gates and just all your gifts just

0:59:40came flowing out one way one way John

0:59:41that's right I said internet here take

0:59:43it all

0:59:44you know I i'm basically the giving tree

0:59:46of the internet who didn't get chopped

0:59:51down

0:59:52yeah he does for others and you know

0:59:54what I've been chopped down but I got up

0:59:56again I think

0:59:56again I think

1:00:00those guys are anarchists who know they

1:00:02are yesterday number Wamba Wamba Wamba

1:00:04are anarchists they lay our collective

1:00:06an anarchist collective I'm gonna go

1:00:08read up on this I remember Peter Garrett

1:00:10Peter Garrett was one of the government

1:00:12oil right didn't he actually did he

1:00:14actually win in his election give it

1:00:16back

1:00:18wow he did when he was a very effective

1:00:22politician hell of a dancer too

1:00:24he said he's an extraordinary man and i

1:00:26think i think in Australian he's hot

1:00:28held in fairly high regard they have an

1:00:30unusual I've seen remember reading

1:00:32overhearing one another all guys running

1:00:33for office they have don't they have

1:00:35kind of a wackadoodle with all respect

1:00:36to our fuzzy friends the kind of a

1:00:38wackadoodle way of doing national

1:00:40elections where it's I guess someone

1:00:43electoral in nature or something where

1:00:45like an outsider can can actually have a

1:00:46chance or something like that i don't

1:00:47know i don't know it's been interesting

1:00:48my understanding about Australian

1:00:50elections is that they put a marble in a

1:00:52conch shell and then they put the conch

1:00:55shell at the bottom of a reef who and

1:00:57that it's out of pillar at the bottom of

1:00:59a reef they don't say which reef and

1:01:01they get half a map to give each

1:01:03candidate a knife and let them and they

1:01:05have to carry the knife in their mouth

1:01:06yeah and then they ask you is that a

1:01:08knife and then you have to answer as a

1:01:10dog that's your makeup that's not a

1:01:13solenoid oh do ya I think they do things

1:01:18very differently there and I think in

1:01:21New Zealand right don't you just you go

1:01:23to the top of a volcano and throw

1:01:24somebody in and the and the family is

1:01:27something like that name but they scream

1:01:29on their way down there may be answers

1:01:31that you not confuse it with the

1:01:32Australian Way of doing elections

1:01:34they're very sensitive about that let's

1:01:36you know what enough said

1:01:37yeah about the Kiwis versus the also

1:01:40what he's gonna miss when you get a

1:01:41minute here again I mean like you you

1:01:42gotta miss let's be honest you're gonna

1:01:43I'm guessing you're gonna miss like

1:01:46having your time be your own such as it

1:01:48has been that that's got to be one

1:01:50well it yes it i will but I also you

1:01:56know you stand at the threshold of

1:01:58something and you cannot take a step

1:02:02forward if you are consumed with

1:02:04thinking about what you're going to miss

1:02:05like what I don't know about what the

1:02:09future holds about what my life is going

1:02:11to look like is everything I do

1:02:13don't know anything about what is going

1:02:15to happen next and that's thrilling and

1:02:20I just have to step into that what I

1:02:23will you know when when before my

1:02:26daughter was born a lot of people said

1:02:27aren't you gonna miss your freedom and I

1:02:33said well you know I've had a lot of

1:02:35freedom

1:02:36I've been to a lot of plays and dance

1:02:42recitals and bars and rock shows and in

1:02:45fact for many years I would go to three

1:02:47or four rock shows a night

1:02:48um I'll i have lived I have sucked the

1:02:52marrow out of life who once my daughter

1:02:56was born I realized that whatever

1:02:59whatever I no longer could do because of

1:03:03my daughter what that did not feel like

1:03:07a sacrifice at all right I couldn't go

1:03:10out and see rock shows anymore because i

1:03:12was at home with my beautiful daughter

1:03:15who you know looking into her eyes is

1:03:19like a kind of drug that i never knew

1:03:21existed and so I don't I mean only

1:03:25somebody that doesn't have a kid would

1:03:27ask you aren't you worried about losing

1:03:29your freedom because when you're when

1:03:31you lose your freedom you do it

1:03:33voluntarily and you say farewell to to

1:03:38you my freedom I mean hopefully you do

1:03:41at least i did i said i do not need to

1:03:44go to see spoon tonight although I want

1:03:48to because i'm here with my daughter

1:03:50which is something I want to do more and

1:03:53so in looking at my myfuturelife a

1:03:58running for office first which is a very

1:04:01different job from holding office second

1:04:03i can only hope and expect that

1:04:10that the sacrifice of giving up my

1:04:14ability to go down to portland this

1:04:17afternoon because I want to talk to

1:04:19somebody about a hamburger and then once

1:04:23I'm down there maybe I'll you know do it

1:04:26like jump up at their show and play

1:04:27guitar solo like losing the ability to

1:04:31do that because I have to hear I hear

1:04:35that you have to be here the following

1:04:36morning to hear about how work we're

1:04:39going to redo our sewer system to

1:04:41accommodate wet wipes um I can only hope

1:04:46that and I and I do expect that I will

1:04:49be so invigorated and thrilled by the

1:04:52opportunity that i won't look at it as a

1:04:54sacrifice

1:04:56that's a good answer now yeah and I and

1:05:00I and I can't imagine i can't imagine

1:05:02looking at the next 40 to 50 years of my

1:05:07life on this planet and thinking about

1:05:09it in in any terms other them that you

1:05:13know I have to just keep stepping

1:05:14through that door every time and and you

1:05:21know that because the alternative is to

1:05:22just come to a doorway one day where I

1:05:25go well that's sad it's one door way too

1:05:28many I'm not stepping through this one

1:05:29I'm just I'm fine here and that doesn't

1:05:33feel like it would you know that's not

1:05:38what I've been working toward movement

1:05:42and hopefully you know I don't come to

1:05:44some doorway and have somebody say like

1:05:47well if you step through this doorway

1:05:48there's either a lion or a beautiful

1:05:54princess in a lady or a tiger which is

1:05:57it gonna be huh you know is that what

1:05:59i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm going to

1:06:01open both doors at the same time because

1:06:02I'm i got long arms

1:06:06yeah this is gonna be a ride you know

1:06:09what and the thing is like we're going

1:06:11to talk about some stuff some weird

1:06:13stuff on here i'm not going to continue

1:06:15can't continue to monopolize our mutual

1:06:18podcast that we love so dearly

1:06:21is that a commitment that's campaign

1:06:23promise what this is my commitment to

1:06:25you and I would like I would like if you

1:06:29will if you will allow us who I would

1:06:31like to close out this announcement

1:06:34podcast with your new thought technology

1:06:37about cooking chicken

1:06:38thank you John first of all I'd like to

1:06:40say thank you for the opportunity to

1:06:41appear here tonight and have an

1:06:43opportunity to share

1:06:44I thought technology that I think many

1:06:46of you will enjoy but not innocent dogs

1:06:48emphatically a lot of people like to eat

1:06:50chicken crowd goes wild

1:06:54I read about this in a book and a recent

1:06:58book

1:06:59yeah i read it back meditated on the

1:07:00internet and printed out a little for a

1:07:02new way to cook in China can talk about

1:07:03this this is this is the in the middle

1:07:05of your portent I can't come out and

1:07:06drop a chicken recipe your you tell you

1:07:08you just said this is the problem this

1:07:10is the problem what you're worried that

1:07:13we're gonna lose all the great chicken

1:07:14recipes because of the great chicken

1:07:16because suddenly were suddenly were

1:07:18operating on a higher level with well

1:07:19this is special this is a special

1:07:20edition

1:07:21yeah i don't know if i want to sell it

1:07:22with my chicken okay well you know the

1:07:24thing is I want I want I want to give

1:07:26that chicken time to first of all

1:07:28marinate that's a good question if

1:07:31anything I feel like it's too easy of a

1:07:33recipe other any other questions do any

1:07:35closing remarks today we'll talk about

1:07:37the chicken next time but you've got

1:07:38this is gonna I just what I guess I this

1:07:40is a good place to to set a few things

1:07:42straight in as much as we can which is

1:07:44we're gonna keep doing the show that's

1:07:45right that we we hopefully our hopefully

1:07:49our schedule not become too erratic but

1:07:50that's a little out of our control and

1:07:52it would be bad overcommit that's right

1:07:54but we're going to continue to do this

1:07:55show because that is our commitment not

1:07:58only to you the listener who

1:08:01Sorry Sorry breaking the fourth wall i

1:08:02know we don't do that our community but

1:08:06also Marlon our commitment to one

1:08:08another if it were not for you my friend

1:08:11Marilyn man who I would be less of a man

1:08:16that I am today

1:08:17and you have you have you have made me

1:08:21more of a you have made me more of an

1:08:23adult

1:08:24oh you have been the you have been the

1:08:28little pill flavored like a turkey

1:08:30dinner that has enabled this space

1:08:32program to make this mission to Mars

1:08:36success

1:08:36oh this podcast has been the wall in

1:08:38front of your 55 inches away from your

1:08:41face as you go into death can hurtling

1:08:43into space that's right

1:08:44this podcast has been the whopper which

1:08:50both starts a global thermonuclear war

1:08:55uh-huh and also recognizes that the only

1:08:57winning move is not to plant arrest

1:09:01congratulations welcome my candidacy

1:09:04thank you it's a whoo boy it's gonna be

1:09:07it's gonna be fun i hope that everybody

1:09:08follows along

1:09:09listen a vote Roderick com who well is

1:09:15the website vote Roderick calm down on

1:09:18it it's going to be on the internet vote

1:09:19Roderick calm and I mean basically my

1:09:24expectation is that everybody listen to

1:09:25this podcast will go there and

1:09:26immediately donate the maximum amount of

1:09:28money they can sure i mean i think it

1:09:30was that saying yeah unfortunately we

1:09:32cannot accept money from the United

1:09:34Kingdom New Zealand Australia Germany

1:09:36Finland or actually any country other

1:09:41than America really got a vet that huh

1:09:43you cannot give money to the campaign if

1:09:45you do not live in America and I'm sorry

1:09:48to all of our own no one problem at a

1:09:50time John one problem at a time but if

1:09:52you do live in America if you live say

1:09:54for instance in Kansas City Kansas or

1:09:56Kansas City Missouri URL City New

1:10:00Hampshire if you live in Kansas City New

1:10:02Hampshire i would love to get a map of

1:10:05your town because it's what I don't have

1:10:07in my collection but you can give money

1:10:09to the campaign from anywhere in America

1:10:11because of course Seattle is one of

1:10:13America's top cities and if Seattle goes

1:10:16so too does America go right as seattle

1:10:22moves America moves and so it is not

1:10:26unreasonable to think that people who

1:10:28live elsewhere

1:10:29want to see Seattle move move

1:10:32wait and and so yes that is the

1:10:35opportunity boat rod or you know i'm

1:10:37going to say that and i'm sorry/not not

1:10:38dot org although don't we do also have

1:10:40dot org Roderick com Roderick com

1:10:43anybody in the u.s. they just jump in

1:10:45that's right in the end anything that

1:10:47you talked about that on here

1:10:49how do you mean i don't know i mean like

1:10:51it's okay it's okay that's for money

1:10:53right well i mean i know that's what the

1:10:55best thing that we have to and and you

1:10:57know I think there's that there is a

1:10:59desire

1:11:01well first of all as we said already

1:11:02everybody on this podcast will

1:11:04automatically give the maximum but then

1:11:06they have to go to their friends and

1:11:08family for in the united states in the

1:11:10United States and say and those of you

1:11:12live overseas who have friends and

1:11:13family in the United States you can

1:11:15absolutely call them and send them

1:11:16emails believe no donor behind and and

1:11:19ultimately to spread the word and I what

1:11:22I'm talking about is one of these things

1:11:24these internet things I don't want to

1:11:26say it I don't want to curse it but to

1:11:29spread the word where this is this

1:11:31candidacy is recognized as representing

1:11:34all of us

1:11:36icymi haha

1:11:40in case you missed it

1:11:43ding listen I'm going to march music

1:11:47here

1:11:47mm okay we're marching you apparently a

1:11:51better future moving Seattle within the

1:11:55constraints of the election laws but mom

1:12:00find a friend in Germany know as them to

1:12:03tell someone in the United States ok yes

1:12:07you know I'm just workshopping at this

1:12:08point if you find a friend in Germany

1:12:10and tell them to call the united states

1:12:12that is one method collection scheisse

1:12:16congratulations son

1:12:19thank you thanks mer