Roderick on the Line

Ep. 149: "The Humility Opportunities"


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00:00:22   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:25   hi Merlin how's it going good boy it's [TS]

00:00:29   late is it it's late [TS]

00:00:32   Shh late the Sun is the sun is in the [TS]

00:00:36   sky not like when we normally record [TS]

00:00:39   when the Sun is just peeping up over the [TS]

00:00:41   horizon displays in Addis just mocking [TS]

00:00:43   mocking our existence [TS]

00:00:45   oh that's son that that darn son [TS]

00:00:48   ya hoo happy happy easter thank you uh I [TS]

00:00:53   do feel happy about it you doing special [TS]

00:00:57   com easter was you know Easter isn't [TS]

00:01:01   like one of the main holidays in my [TS]

00:01:04   culture and tradition it's a it's a it [TS]

00:01:07   is a holiday course I remember my sister [TS]

00:01:10   when she was a little girl she and I we [TS]

00:01:15   had our own bedrooms but we also had a [TS]

00:01:17   bunk bed and sometimes the bunk bed was [TS]

00:01:18   in my room and sometimes it was in her [TS]

00:01:20   room and when the bump it was in my room [TS]

00:01:23   she never came in and slept in my room [TS]

00:01:26   but when the bunk bed was in her room [TS]

00:01:28   sometimes I would go in and sleep in her [TS]

00:01:29   room to like just comfort her and I [TS]

00:01:33   remember one Easter morning we were [TS]

00:01:36   sitting on the top bunk together looking [TS]

00:01:38   out the window and my sister swears now [TS]

00:01:41   she was just a child [TS]

00:01:43   I mean I was probably seven she was four [TS]

00:01:47   or five [TS]

00:01:49   she swears that we saw the Easter bunny [TS]

00:01:52   Oh in the backyard and she swears to it [TS]

00:01:54   to this day my memories are unclear [TS]

00:01:58   about whether or not I saw the Easter [TS]

00:01:59   Bunny or whether I just in a big [TS]

00:02:02   brotherly fashion reinforced that she [TS]

00:02:05   had seen the Easter Bunny uh huh you [TS]

00:02:07   know it's it's it was a long time ago of [TS]

00:02:11   all holidays [TS]

00:02:12   it feels like it has the biggest net [TS]

00:02:15   disconnect between why we theoretically [TS]

00:02:17   observe it and then what we actually do [TS]

00:02:20   I moving great with Christmas even if [TS]

00:02:22   you're like a secular person you [TS]

00:02:24   probably still have a certain amount of [TS]

00:02:25   like like Christian like Christmas [TS]

00:02:29   carols playing and stuff like that but [TS]

00:02:31   like for for not observing people easter [TS]

00:02:33   is really about candy this is a very [TS]

00:02:36   like the thing is my daughter's an age [TS]

00:02:38   where now everything is about candy is a [TS]

00:02:40   candy lawyer [TS]

00:02:41   she's constantly negotiating the candy [TS]

00:02:43   like all day and today has been nothing [TS]

00:02:44   but a long series of negotiations about [TS]

00:02:47   candy [TS]

00:02:47   yeah fortunately my child is still sort [TS]

00:02:52   of pre candy who I won't last forever [TS]

00:02:56   you get a bunny [TS]

00:02:57   uh I have you know frankly on a full [TS]

00:03:02   disclosure who have not seen her today [TS]

00:03:05   yeah because she went to battling him [TS]

00:03:07   we're grandparents live [TS]

00:03:09   that's nice and they are having a full [TS]

00:03:11   day where the Easter dress at church and [TS]

00:03:13   all the wonderful American holiday [TS]

00:03:15   traditions and I have been kind of [TS]

00:03:19   running around like a crazy person [TS]

00:03:21   yeah it getting ready to really nail [TS]

00:03:23   down now the easter evening holiday [TS]

00:03:25   celebration [TS]

00:03:26   uh no in fact I've been running around [TS]

00:03:28   like a crazy person because I and I have [TS]

00:03:31   kind of a surprise [TS]

00:03:33   it's something like to share with our [TS]

00:03:35   listeners have a little bit of surprise [TS]

00:03:37   that i wanted that I want to reveal to [TS]

00:03:39   our listeners that I want to share with [TS]

00:03:40   you [TS]

00:03:41   Merlin my close personal friend I can't [TS]

00:03:43   wait to hear already i think i'm ready [TS]

00:03:45   and as ready as I'm gonna be [TS]

00:03:46   ru ru when you're ready chair and got [TS]

00:03:51   the bail Reddy better earn it tomorrow i [TS]

00:03:56   am declaring my candidacy for seattle [TS]

00:04:00   city council [TS]

00:04:01   that was kind of a muted bell well you [TS]

00:04:04   know there's a lot to talk about [TS]

00:04:05   haha we don't have time to let it ring [TS]

00:04:08   as much as that's right we should get [TS]

00:04:10   right on it as much as you europe europe [TS]

00:04:12   political now John you gotta go right to [TS]

00:04:14   the brass tacks so true I i need to [TS]

00:04:17   learn how to give a concise interview [TS]

00:04:22   oh I gotta write this one down right [TS]

00:04:24   concise interview I need to be able to [TS]

00:04:26   say what my policies and plans are in a [TS]

00:04:29   very short a truncated sort of sound by [TS]

00:04:34   the way which is intrinsically a method [TS]

00:04:37   of speaking that I distrust and uh and [TS]

00:04:42   yet it is the way of that this business [TS]

00:04:44   is conducted sometimes ideas can be a [TS]

00:04:47   little bit like having nausea we feel [TS]

00:04:48   like you're not done until they're all [TS]

00:04:50   out and you know what i mean i'm not i'm [TS]

00:04:52   not really done here [TS]

00:04:53   I mean I'm taking a break nice-looking a [TS]

00:04:54   lot to get out of here to start a new [TS]

00:04:57   list here it's called John's [TS]

00:04:58   opportunities for growth and the first [TS]

00:05:00   1i have is a concise interviews concise [TS]

00:05:02   interviews this is that this is a growth [TS]

00:05:04   opportunity a steak for me and so so as [TS]

00:05:11   as you may or may not know a the the way [TS]

00:05:14   that this campaign is going to run there [TS]

00:05:17   is a primary that happens in august and [TS]

00:05:20   in some ways August seems a million [TS]

00:05:24   miles away but of course i will be doing [TS]

00:05:26   lots and lots of going to BBQ news and [TS]

00:05:31   kissing babies and saying what my ideas [TS]

00:05:34   are over and over so there's plenty of [TS]

00:05:36   opportunity between now in august for me [TS]

00:05:38   to get my ideas out there right but the [TS]

00:05:42   challenge for me is going to be to not [TS]

00:05:45   want to tell everyone all my ideas the [TS]

00:05:47   first time that I meet them or talk to [TS]

00:05:49   them right and also i am running on a [TS]

00:05:54   premise that I am listening to your [TS]

00:05:58   ideas you citizens of Seattle and you [TS]

00:06:01   people who are listening who are not [TS]

00:06:02   citizens of Seattle who would who feel [TS]

00:06:04   like they are in some way a global [TS]

00:06:09   citizen of Seattle I want to hear other [TS]

00:06:12   people's ideas right i mean that the [TS]

00:06:13   being on city council is [TS]

00:06:15   about your ideas it's about it's about [TS]

00:06:17   the city's ideas [TS]

00:06:18   it seems like a road down and not bad [TS]

00:06:21   went down and dirty kind of job there's [TS]

00:06:22   a lot of things with get millage you got [TS]

00:06:24   zoning you got parking I don't know [TS]

00:06:26   anything about this but i'm just [TS]

00:06:27   guessing there's a lot of like how the [TS]

00:06:29   city actually functions that second I [TS]

00:06:32   know about me [TS]

00:06:33   that is exactly right as you know about [TS]

00:06:34   me i am fascinated by all those things [TS]

00:06:37   you love infrastructure i do i love the [TS]

00:06:39   ins and outs the ups and downs i love [TS]

00:06:41   what's under manhole covers that I love [TS]

00:06:43   what's on top of telephone poles and so [TS]

00:06:46   the job is ideal for me I i will 3i will [TS]

00:06:49   relish it [TS]

00:06:50   I will relish sitting at a dais and [TS]

00:06:53   listening to people talk about zoning um [TS]

00:06:56   but but the challenge in getting there [TS]

00:06:58   is that in our country we have a we have [TS]

00:07:03   a concept of who it is that that [TS]

00:07:06   occupies these rolls right uh people [TS]

00:07:11   that go into government are a certain [TS]

00:07:13   kind of person and we typically think of [TS]

00:07:18   them as either lawyers or people who [TS]

00:07:21   have sort of been professional activists [TS]

00:07:24   their whole career and they kind of earn [TS]

00:07:27   the job and then they think of it as a [TS]

00:07:32   professional job that they are [TS]

00:07:33   professional legislature and the thing [TS]

00:07:37   about me is that I'm an actual a [TS]

00:07:39   Democrat in the sense that I think that [TS]

00:07:42   citizens should be involved in [TS]

00:07:43   government my farmers used to just be in [TS]

00:07:45   office for a while and then they go back [TS]

00:07:46   to farming thank you [TS]

00:07:48   m-my since we're figuring out how to [TS]

00:07:50   push books off the shelf right down [TS]

00:07:52   going into the tesseract that is through [TS]

00:07:55   a black hole and we don't touch today [TS]

00:07:56   but I tried to watch it i try to watch [TS]

00:07:58   it we got a single back i want to talk [TS]

00:07:59   about it I really do i I want to hear [TS]

00:08:01   your thoughts on my car hey but listen [TS]

00:08:05   so I'm so I'm trying to convince the [TS]

00:08:07   city of seattle not just that i will be [TS]

00:08:09   a great person on this city council but [TS]

00:08:11   also that it is not that dangerous to [TS]

00:08:14   elect somebody who is talking about art [TS]

00:08:18   as a civic virtue and not every city [TS]

00:08:22   come in every city councilperson in [TS]

00:08:24   seattle has generally the same ideas [TS]

00:08:26   I mean because Seattle is a liberal [TS]

00:08:28   utopia we all think that there should be [TS]

00:08:30   more transit we don't think there should [TS]

00:08:32   be affordable housing right there's it's [TS]

00:08:34   not like there's somebody running for [TS]

00:08:35   seattle city council who thinks that the [TS]

00:08:37   earth was created in seven days and who [TS]

00:08:39   wants a blood wave to sweep away that [TS]

00:08:43   same-sex marriages or whatever the hell [TS]

00:08:46   the platform he would be very unusual [TS]

00:08:48   here know everybody here is a liberal [TS]

00:08:51   and that's a wonderful opportunity and [TS]

00:08:54   my challenges that i'm going to go in [TS]

00:08:55   front of the city and say listen there's [TS]

00:08:58   never been an artist on city government [TS]

00:09:00   and that is precisely what we need and [TS]

00:09:04   that is precisely where we go next [TS]

00:09:08   it's time to take a big leap forward and [TS]

00:09:10   some of that big leap forward is a is a [TS]

00:09:13   stretch of the imagination that we not [TS]

00:09:15   keep putting like people who are down in [TS]

00:09:20   the weeds are in a in positions of power [TS]

00:09:24   on city government because there's no [TS]

00:09:25   reason to think that they are going to [TS]

00:09:26   stay in the weeds right but that's a [TS]

00:09:30   challenge right out there a lot of the [TS]

00:09:31   people that are the gatekeepers between [TS]

00:09:33   me and the citizens of Seattle the only [TS]

00:09:36   way they have to compare candidates [TS]

00:09:37   against one another is this is this [TS]

00:09:40   model a lot like well your your your [TS]

00:09:43   opponent says that there should be more [TS]

00:09:44   buses and trains what do you say i also [TS]

00:09:47   think there should be more buses and [TS]

00:09:48   trains well how is that different than [TS]

00:09:50   your opponent frankly it's practically [TS]

00:09:52   not different because the truth is we [TS]

00:09:56   need more buses and trains and I mean [TS]

00:09:58   there's no why would anybody have a [TS]

00:10:00   different attitude right nobody would so [TS]

00:10:03   how do you differentiate between us and [TS]

00:10:05   the differentiation becomes a question [TS]

00:10:07   of who can tell who can tell this story [TS]

00:10:10   to the citizens of Seattle and make [TS]

00:10:13   people invested in doing what is [TS]

00:10:16   ultimately the hard work of building a [TS]

00:10:18   better place [TS]

00:10:19   that's good that was good oh thank you [TS]

00:10:21   well practicing I have to just do this [TS]

00:10:23   now every day for the next six months [TS]

00:10:25   right and then then everybody then [TS]

00:10:28   people will then there's a popularity [TS]

00:10:30   contest where they decide which [TS]

00:10:33   candidate is appeals to them more i [TS]

00:10:36   think a lot of voters pick the one whose [TS]

00:10:38   hair looks better before I do [TS]

00:10:41   happen I do have good hair so in that [TS]

00:10:44   yeah but you got farm-to-table hair [TS]

00:10:45   you've got locally-sourced like you [TS]

00:10:47   literally cut your own hair and how many [TS]

00:10:49   other candidates are gonna be able to [TS]

00:10:50   say that my man i cannot tell you last [TS]

00:10:52   night i'm writing my platform speech and [TS]

00:10:57   what did i do I decided that I needed to [TS]

00:11:00   give myself a haircut two o'clock in the [TS]

00:11:03   morning i'm standing in the mirror and [TS]

00:11:04   I'm cutting my hair and of one of the [TS]

00:11:06   very one of the clearest voices in my [TS]

00:11:08   head is telling me idiot [TS]

00:11:10   do not cut your hair right now if this [TS]

00:11:14   could go a lot of ways and I lobby [TS]

00:11:16   vision though it sometimes you have to [TS]

00:11:18   know how to make that vision being [TS]

00:11:20   implemented in ways that may seem [TS]

00:11:21   non-obvious right right but and and [TS]

00:11:24   luckily in this case i did a pretty good [TS]

00:11:26   job of cutting my hair looks pretty good [TS]

00:11:28   but I'm you know what it means is that I [TS]

00:11:30   walk out the door the next morning not [TS]

00:11:32   full of hair confidence i walk out the [TS]

00:11:35   door with a little bit of hearing [TS]

00:11:36   society because I cut it in the middle [TS]

00:11:38   of the night with a pair of construction [TS]

00:11:40   paper so that and now I'm walking out to [TS]

00:11:44   stand in front of the city and say I am [TS]

00:11:47   an American and also someone who is not [TS]

00:11:49   a lunatic and i propose to represent you [TS]

00:11:53   well and effectively in city government [TS]

00:11:55   and i cut my hair last night [TS]

00:11:58   any questions hello you there for those [TS]

00:12:01   of you who throws you don't know me I am [TS]

00:12:03   gonna rock your next city councilman mm [TS]

00:12:05   well I like the sound of that so and of [TS]

00:12:08   course one of the challenges for me is [TS]

00:12:10   that this podcast for instance here's [TS]

00:12:13   the thing that I cannot imagine [TS]

00:12:15   sacrificing and this podcast is not [TS]

00:12:19   something that any of the other [TS]

00:12:21   candidates for City Council have like a [TS]

00:12:24   similar podcast compared to who [TS]

00:12:27   right it's not there isn't a precedent I [TS]

00:12:29   don't think and then it's I think fairly [TS]

00:12:31   rare in government that someone is [TS]

00:12:35   proposing to be in government and also [TS]

00:12:37   once a week talk to his friend with the [TS]

00:12:40   utmost candor [TS]

00:12:41   uh-huh about what's happening in their [TS]

00:12:43   lives and so it shows that you're not [TS]

00:12:45   afraid to discuss the difficult issues [TS]

00:12:47   well let's let's hope I mean this is the [TS]

00:12:49   thing we we talk about politicians in a [TS]

00:12:51   certain way we want them to be a certain [TS]

00:12:54   way [TS]

00:12:55   but the only people who run for office [TS]

00:12:56   are people with unrealistic hair under [TS]

00:13:01   some of them have unbelievable hair and [TS]

00:13:03   who tell us you know who do that thing [TS]

00:13:07   where they convince us that they [TS]

00:13:09   actually do have a foolproof plan and [TS]

00:13:13   the only people who really believe they [TS]

00:13:15   have a foolproof plan are our other [TS]

00:13:17   fools who have not who don't have enough [TS]

00:13:20   information to know how wrong they are [TS]

00:13:22   or sociopaths the reality is if you go [TS]

00:13:27   into public office what you should say [TS]

00:13:28   first and foremost is I am going into [TS]

00:13:30   this job to listen to people and and [TS]

00:13:33   here every side and and I mean somebody [TS]

00:13:36   has to choose and that's who you're [TS]

00:13:38   pointing you elect people to office to [TS]

00:13:41   choose on your behalf but what makes [TS]

00:13:44   that person a good chooser is not that [TS]

00:13:47   they go into office already with it with [TS]

00:13:49   it like an unshakable faith in their own [TS]

00:13:52   ideas right it's what makes them a good [TS]

00:13:54   choosers that they are that they're good [TS]

00:13:56   listeners that they are thoughtful that [TS]

00:13:59   they have a bra breadth of knowledge and [TS]

00:14:02   then you empower that person to choose [TS]

00:14:04   for for you and you have your faith in [TS]

00:14:08   them you trust that they're going to [TS]

00:14:09   choose based on what they have learned [TS]

00:14:11   not based on what they already know her [TS]

00:14:15   based on what they think they know are [TS]

00:14:16   based on what they've known since they [TS]

00:14:18   were five because everything they ever [TS]

00:14:20   needed to know they learned in [TS]

00:14:21   kindergarten [TS]

00:14:22   yeah especially for a job or you know [TS]

00:14:24   what to say at this level [TS]

00:14:25   what I mean is that it is a again I [TS]

00:14:28   don't know anything about politics but [TS]

00:14:30   it strikes me that is a very it's it's a [TS]

00:14:34   job where there's lots of where the [TS]

00:14:36   decisions that you make have a [TS]

00:14:38   potentially fairly short path from [TS]

00:14:41   hopefully seemed like a good idea to [TS]

00:14:43   being something that's doable to being [TS]

00:14:44   something that can be implemented [TS]

00:14:45   whereas you could run as 11 could run as [TS]

00:14:49   an outsider in a presidential race [TS]

00:14:51   mostly just stir things up and change [TS]

00:14:53   the kinds of conversations that people [TS]

00:14:54   have but you know there's obviously [TS]

00:14:56   there's no evidence that that person [TS]

00:14:58   necessarily gonna be great being [TS]

00:14:59   president but it would become clear if [TS]

00:15:01   they if they didn't have the gust 0 to [TS]

00:15:03   jump into [TS]

00:15:05   so what I'm trying to avoid what my wife [TS]

00:15:09   about the issues like what [TS]

00:15:11   Johnson's doesn't hate bureaucracy and I [TS]

00:15:13   like actually John does not hate [TS]

00:15:14   bureaucracy because he does not consider [TS]

00:15:15   bureaucracy to be a bad word [TS]

00:15:18   not in the sense of being like busywork [TS]

00:15:20   or deliver push back to make government [TS]

00:15:23   opaque and we have that episode we [TS]

00:15:25   talked about Romania where they don't [TS]

00:15:27   have any they don't have as so much of a [TS]

00:15:29   bureaucracy [TS]

00:15:30   I'm gonna get you trouble I don't you [TS]

00:15:32   gotta remain in lobby there but [TS]

00:15:34   specifically that you'll be driving down [TS]

00:15:35   the street and someone is just [TS]

00:15:36   necessarily there has been that way for [TS]

00:15:38   months and it's a bureaucracy that [TS]

00:15:39   enables you to have that sort of stuff [TS]

00:15:41   happened [TS]

00:15:42   having the right people make those [TS]

00:15:43   decisions make sure that the sore loser [TS]

00:15:45   in place right [TS]

00:15:46   I write an effective bureaucracy is [TS]

00:15:48   incredibly civilizing technology [TS]

00:15:53   yeah and again a bureaucracy is another [TS]

00:15:55   thought technology that it's it's it's [TS]

00:15:58   our invention and if it works well my [TS]

00:16:01   goodness you have you have someplace to [TS]

00:16:03   go to file a complaint [TS]

00:16:05   I mean think about it and expect [TS]

00:16:07   something might actually be done about [TS]

00:16:08   right file a complaint and somebody [TS]

00:16:09   actually takes your complaint and then [TS]

00:16:11   something changes right so no i mean i-i [TS]

00:16:14   love that function of of local [TS]

00:16:16   government and the thing about the thing [TS]

00:16:19   about it here is that we really are what [TS]

00:16:22   what's what's so fantastic about this [TS]

00:16:24   moment is that I think nationwide [TS]

00:16:28   there's this tremendous frustration we [TS]

00:16:30   feel like nothing is working now that [TS]

00:16:32   you know it's never been worse than it [TS]

00:16:34   is now you hear people say that all the [TS]

00:16:36   time people people young people kind of [TS]

00:16:38   saving up asking as your grandparents [TS]

00:16:40   about that all right hand and a certain [TS]

00:16:43   level you know because because things [TS]

00:16:46   like Ferguson happening because there's [TS]

00:16:48   there's a greater wealth inequality than [TS]

00:16:51   there's ever been to be at least in [TS]

00:16:53   people's immediate lifetimes they feel [TS]

00:16:56   like all these problems are [TS]

00:16:57   insurmountable and it's know and i'm [TS]

00:16:59   giving up hope and I'm a cynic it's [TS]

00:17:01   there's no chance for us but in fact [TS]

00:17:03   things have never been better than they [TS]

00:17:06   are now there's never been more justice [TS]

00:17:09   than there is now there's never been [TS]

00:17:10   more quality than there is now like we [TS]

00:17:12   have succeeded so much and now we're out [TS]

00:17:16   on the car [TS]

00:17:17   sip of making a giant stride people we [TS]

00:17:21   have the technology to do it we have the [TS]

00:17:23   consensus it at least in our cities that [TS]

00:17:27   mean seattle is a liberal uh it's like [TS]

00:17:31   us like a giant city where over the [TS]

00:17:35   course of decades a pretty radical [TS]

00:17:39   liberal consensus has settled in to [TS]

00:17:41   place like even the Chamber of Commerce [TS]

00:17:45   in seattle is liberal deeply liberal and [TS]

00:17:50   this is this is an incredible [TS]

00:17:52   opportunity but the thing about the [TS]

00:17:54   thing about us is liberals have always [TS]

00:17:56   felt persecuted they felt persecuted by [TS]

00:17:58   the FBI and the police that the FBI was [TS]

00:18:01   was wiretapping Martin Luther King like [TS]

00:18:04   we're used to being in the opposition [TS]

00:18:07   and so in a city like Seattle it's very [TS]

00:18:11   hard for the Liberals here to recognize [TS]

00:18:12   we are in charge here we this is a [TS]

00:18:16   liberal utopia that is on the cusp of [TS]

00:18:19   happening and we just have to we have to [TS]

00:18:22   recognize that we are the establishment [TS]

00:18:24   now and we can make a radical liberal [TS]

00:18:29   agenda happen [TS]

00:18:31   we just have to first of all recognize [TS]

00:18:34   that we are not we're not proposing a [TS]

00:18:37   violent revolution against ourselves [TS]

00:18:39   like where the establishment we can put [TS]

00:18:41   our policies into place and I really do [TS]

00:18:45   believe more than ever before that who [TS]

00:18:49   were on the verge of a technology [TS]

00:18:50   revolution [TS]

00:18:51   we've talked about this you and me so [TS]

00:18:54   much but like we are in the next five [TS]

00:18:58   years going to see technology transform [TS]

00:19:01   cities like that the promise of the [TS]

00:19:04   internet me no matter how II is sitting [TS]

00:19:07   in his driveway trying to get his garage [TS]

00:19:08   door to open from his phone and we laugh [TS]

00:19:11   but the reality is that is the way that [TS]

00:19:15   it's going and that is going to [TS]

00:19:17   transform our urban life and that's [TS]

00:19:21   incredibly exciting and nobody in city [TS]

00:19:24   government here or in san francisco or [TS]

00:19:27   really anywhere is [TS]

00:19:29   trying to say listen in the next 10 [TS]

00:19:31   years a lot of these 20th century [TS]

00:19:33   problems are going to change radically [TS]

00:19:35   and seattle is still trying to build a [TS]

00:19:39   highway tunnel under the city to solve a [TS]

00:19:43   twentieth-century traffic problem [TS]

00:19:45   uh-huh okay you know what I mean yeah [TS]

00:19:47   yeah but the 21st century solution is [TS]

00:19:51   like it's it's almost here [TS]

00:19:53   the thing is we can't quite see it right [TS]

00:19:55   Elon Musk is developing it in his garage [TS]

00:19:58   but it's actually real you know and [TS]

00:20:02   we're gonna have we're gonna have a real [TS]

00:20:06   switcheroo in terms of what what are [TS]

00:20:10   open [TS]

00:20:11   what are benign toolboxes so anyway we [TS]

00:20:16   have in seattle at least we have a [TS]

00:20:17   little a general liberal consensus we [TS]

00:20:19   have we're on the cusp of this [TS]

00:20:21   technology wave and we also like San [TS]

00:20:24   Francisco have this prosperity wave [TS]

00:20:27   there's so much money right and it's [TS]

00:20:33   just time to turn that money into cool [TS]

00:20:36   things you know school city thing the [TS]

00:20:38   thing is how he strikes me I always um [TS]

00:20:41   like what our current president was [TS]

00:20:44   running for president I was one of those [TS]

00:20:46   people that one of those very relatively [TS]

00:20:48   few people most of my friends were like [TS]

00:20:50   that guy seems amazing he's certainly a [TS]

00:20:53   great speaker [TS]

00:20:53   he's obviously got a great heart but I [TS]

00:20:56   was always a little more than a little [TS]

00:20:58   bit resistant although I was resistant [TS]

00:21:01   to him being marketed in terms of the [TS]

00:21:03   word hope but I was downright cynical [TS]

00:21:05   about how much I felt like people who [TS]

00:21:07   should know better [TS]

00:21:08   didn't understand what's really involved [TS]

00:21:10   in being the president and I don't even [TS]

00:21:12   talk about it today because you know i [TS]

00:21:14   think the guy still does a pretty great [TS]

00:21:16   job but at the same time you know those [TS]

00:21:18   posters probably seemed a little bit [TS]

00:21:19   weird i mean if you if you like Martian [TS]

00:21:21   Selma oh my god talk about hope I mean [TS]

00:21:24   what what could be a greater thing i [TS]

00:21:26   would not in a million years but I think [TS]

00:21:27   it's important that instance to separate [TS]

00:21:29   the the amazing historical shift then [TS]

00:21:32   specifically and having the block IB [TS]

00:21:34   president it's huge but I the things we [TS]

00:21:38   always go through my head [TS]

00:21:39   this for his job and even more so maybe [TS]

00:21:41   for your job is like how much of your [TS]

00:21:43   day [TS]

00:21:44   maybe that's not strictly true but how [TS]

00:21:46   much of your day you end up having to [TS]

00:21:48   decide who's gonna be disappointed by [TS]

00:21:50   what you decide what you decided i don't [TS]

00:21:52   know how much you get to decide but by [TS]

00:21:54   how much has to be implemented in a [TS]

00:21:56   certain way for the greater good or [TS]

00:21:58   whatever that's the part that I that I [TS]

00:22:00   find so for me also unappealing about a [TS]

00:22:02   job like that i wanna be loved [TS]

00:22:04   yeah and I would find it so difficult to [TS]

00:22:06   know what you I mean anybody's you [TS]

00:22:08   you've had to run a band out of a van [TS]

00:22:10   and you know what it means when you say [TS]

00:22:12   no we can't take a pee break now and no [TS]

00:22:14   you can't have french fries [TS]

00:22:15   he's not in the budget it's not fun but [TS]

00:22:18   I i wonder how you feel about that [TS]

00:22:19   because it just seems like no matter [TS]

00:22:22   what job you take in politics setting [TS]

00:22:24   aside all the optics of how you end up [TS]

00:22:25   looking a certain way to somebody it [TS]

00:22:27   seems like a block of your job has to be [TS]

00:22:29   saying no or maybe at times it would be [TS]

00:22:32   nice to be able to just always say yes [TS]

00:22:33   when this is the this is the reason that [TS]

00:22:36   we have such a struggle with with people [TS]

00:22:39   that hold public office is that every [TS]

00:22:42   single situation involves somebody [TS]

00:22:46   making a compromise and we keep [TS]

00:22:49   collecting people who are dishonest [TS]

00:22:52   about that and who say we can have [TS]

00:22:56   everything we can have our cake and eat [TS]

00:22:57   it too [TS]

00:22:58   everybody wins and making sacrifices [TS]

00:23:02   isn't bad like it's part of living in a [TS]

00:23:06   city it's part of its part of being part [TS]

00:23:09   of a family right you make sacrifices [TS]

00:23:11   and there's something incredibly noble [TS]

00:23:15   about that and the problem with our [TS]

00:23:17   culture is that we we are afraid to say [TS]

00:23:20   that and so we lie about it and then [TS]

00:23:23   when the sacrifices come people feel [TS]

00:23:24   betrayed the what we need are people who [TS]

00:23:30   go up to public office and say listen [TS]

00:23:32   everybody's going to have to pitch in [TS]

00:23:33   here and that's a wonderful thing that's [TS]

00:23:36   a wonderful business and a and the [TS]

00:23:39   people that have the opportunity to [TS]

00:23:41   pitch in or the or the [TS]

00:23:43   who have the prosperity the kitchen a [TS]

00:23:46   little bit more right like here's how [TS]

00:23:48   and we welcome your contribution and you [TS]

00:23:51   know so often from the left there's this [TS]

00:23:54   sense of of saying like well income [TS]

00:23:56   inequality is uh is this intolerable [TS]

00:24:00   thing which it is but what that means is [TS]

00:24:02   that the rich are enemy and the only way [TS]

00:24:06   that we will redistribute the wealth is [TS]

00:24:08   that we go to war with the rich and [TS]

00:24:12   that's very galvanizing it makes people [TS]

00:24:16   feel like boy you've really got a plan [TS]

00:24:18   and where we've got we're going to take [TS]

00:24:20   some action here also that you're not [TS]

00:24:22   afraid to tell me the thing I kinda was [TS]

00:24:24   expecting to hear and wanted to hear [TS]

00:24:25   yeah right you're not which is very very [TS]

00:24:27   simple tell me the exciting thing that I [TS]

00:24:30   already thought but it's very different [TS]

00:24:33   to say like you know the people [TS]

00:24:35   certainly the people in Seattle who are [TS]

00:24:37   the most rich and the most famous you [TS]

00:24:41   know there are people that had an idea [TS]

00:24:43   and they turned it into a business in [TS]

00:24:44   them then American capitalism took that [TS]

00:24:46   business and turn it into an enormous [TS]

00:24:48   pile of money but they are not our enemy [TS]

00:24:53   they are as people who need to be [TS]

00:24:55   encouraged by our culture and by I mean [TS]

00:24:59   select I mean selective judicious [TS]

00:25:01   application of laws and regulation but [TS]

00:25:04   also a community commitment to say hi [TS]

00:25:08   you are super rich you live in this town [TS]

00:25:11   we know you want to help [TS]

00:25:13   here's how you can help we're going to [TS]

00:25:15   do a public-private partnership that [TS]

00:25:17   funds our transit with the funds of the [TS]

00:25:20   construction of rail and that rail is [TS]

00:25:23   going to go right through the [TS]

00:25:24   neighborhoods where you build your [TS]

00:25:25   business so it's going to serve you and [TS]

00:25:26   it's going to serve your your companies [TS]

00:25:29   and we need a little help in the form of [TS]

00:25:31   your contribution because when you built [TS]

00:25:36   this business here you stressed the [TS]

00:25:38   infrastructure of the city and that's [TS]

00:25:40   great that's growth and that's how it [TS]

00:25:41   works but now it's time to give back and [TS]

00:25:43   i don't mean give back by just paying [TS]

00:25:47   your income tax I mean recognize that [TS]

00:25:50   you you need that you need to step up [TS]

00:25:52   and be be actually a corporate citizen [TS]

00:25:55   and take some responsibility [TS]

00:25:57   and that kind of you know and that [TS]

00:26:01   includes like oh did you move to seattle [TS]

00:26:03   are because you got a really high-paying [TS]

00:26:05   tech job and now you're living in a cool [TS]

00:26:08   off downtown and you have a BMW 740i and [TS]

00:26:13   then the biggest TV that you can buy and [TS]

00:26:15   now you still have more money than you [TS]

00:26:17   know what to do with well great [TS]

00:26:18   here's an opportunity for you to also be [TS]

00:26:21   part of civic life and put a little bit [TS]

00:26:23   of that money into making the city a [TS]

00:26:25   better place for people that don't start [TS]

00:26:27   making that kind of cash and that [TS]

00:26:30   conversation which is not about passing [TS]

00:26:32   laws as much as it is about saying in [TS]

00:26:37   cities like Seattle we do business a [TS]

00:26:38   different way and we're not just going [TS]

00:26:41   to default to Wall Street values or [TS]

00:26:46   cupertino tech bro values you know we're [TS]

00:26:51   gonna we're gonna not default we're [TS]

00:26:54   going to assert our values which are [TS]

00:26:58   actually progressive urbanist and and [TS]

00:27:02   there's a higher income you know doing [TS]

00:27:03   business in seattle has a lot of [TS]

00:27:04   incentives it also comes with an [TS]

00:27:06   additional opportunity to put your money [TS]

00:27:11   where your mouth this you know i mean [TS]

00:27:12   Jeff Bezos is a liberal and he wants to [TS]

00:27:16   do a good job [TS]

00:27:18   i mean i-i think about Bill Gates Bill [TS]

00:27:21   Gates was the richest man in the world [TS]

00:27:22   for 15 years and he never gave away a [TS]

00:27:24   penny until will warren buffett called [TS]

00:27:29   him and said hey hey it's an [TS]

00:27:32   embarrassment really true [TS]

00:27:34   yeah Wow called him and said listen [TS]

00:27:36   you're the richest man in the world you [TS]

00:27:37   need to have a foundation you start [TS]

00:27:39   giving your money away to not do it is [TS]

00:27:40   an embarrassment and Bill Gates heard it [TS]

00:27:44   and started the Gates Foundation which [TS]

00:27:46   is an incredible asset to the world [TS]

00:27:48   right but nobody passed the law that [TS]

00:27:52   forced bill gates to redistribute his [TS]

00:27:55   income somebody called him and said hey [TS]

00:27:58   Kai you want to do a better job than [TS]

00:28:00   this and you need to do it and Bill [TS]

00:28:04   Gates was a human being and he heard [TS]

00:28:06   that message and he and you know and [TS]

00:28:08   that isn't that's not naive to [TS]

00:28:11   talk about from the standpoint of of [TS]

00:28:13   somebody running for office [TS]

00:28:15   it's you can't go through life saying [TS]

00:28:18   everybody that that has more money than [TS]

00:28:20   me is morally suspect the the the real [TS]

00:28:26   job is to say listen we're all in this [TS]

00:28:28   together [TS]

00:28:29   it's hard on everybody and like don't [TS]

00:28:34   you want to help and that applies to [TS]

00:28:36   people that are making $50,000 to we [TS]

00:28:40   want to make it we want to make this [TS]

00:28:41   city a better place [TS]

00:28:42   ok everybody pick up a shovel right [TS]

00:28:45   Graham and that is that is that that is [TS]

00:28:50   the difference between like running for [TS]

00:28:51   office and saying here's my three-point [TS]

00:28:53   plan to pass laws to to penalize [TS]

00:28:56   developers and to create a you know [TS]

00:28:59   purple carp and it's like great every [TS]

00:29:01   one of those laws that you pass creates [TS]

00:29:04   a cascading wave of problems you didn't [TS]

00:29:07   anticipate you need to pass laws pretty [TS]

00:29:12   judiciously and you need to think about [TS]

00:29:15   all the potential problems you know [TS]

00:29:16   before you just start saying alright our [TS]

00:29:18   new law is because we've seen we've seen [TS]

00:29:21   that countless time so it happens every [TS]

00:29:24   year there's a new law [TS]

00:29:25   Oh hundred thousand new problems but [TS]

00:29:29   there isn't there is nothing naive or at [TS]

00:29:35   and i think it is the purview of some of [TS]

00:29:37   somebody on something for instance like [TS]

00:29:39   a city council to say hello Seattle we [TS]

00:29:43   have we have to we have to evolve a [TS]

00:29:46   different way of doing business here and [TS]

00:29:48   that can be exciting for us that can be [TS]

00:29:51   that is absolutely the way this [TS]

00:29:55   conversation should happen and I don't [TS]

00:29:59   you know I don't know if Jeff Bezos is [TS]

00:30:01   listening to reach pretty sure that you [TS]

00:30:04   know sometimes you should just in that [TS]

00:30:06   is so Jeff just speaking to you directly [TS]

00:30:08   this is a fantastic opportunity and I [TS]

00:30:10   have some ideas about affordable housing [TS]

00:30:12   to build down in the neighborhood around [TS]

00:30:15   amazon and I have some clear ideas about [TS]

00:30:18   transit ticket those many workers in and [TS]

00:30:20   out of your campus [TS]

00:30:22   and its really in the long run not going [TS]

00:30:24   to cost that much [TS]

00:30:26   mmm yeah already getting good at this [TS]

00:30:29   right see all right here's the thing [TS]

00:30:31   about a pivot I want to hear [TS]

00:30:34   okay i want to come out against are [TS]

00:30:35   gonna talk about your new way of cooking [TS]

00:30:36   chicken or we find out early for the [TS]

00:30:38   next few months I won't have time to do [TS]

00:30:40   you know how many people I can help you [TS]

00:30:45   have any idea its they could not be any [TS]

00:30:47   simpler and people are not going to go [TS]

00:30:49   to hear about until late November what [TS]

00:30:51   would i would go you chicken thing [TS]

00:30:52   chicken thing [TS]

00:30:53   no you know what we're going to do is [TS]

00:30:55   going to be operated thing about equal [TS]

00:30:56   time John equal time about this podcast [TS]

00:30:58   is that it cannot be just about making [TS]

00:31:04   Seattle a better place to live it has to [TS]

00:31:06   be about making the world a better place [TS]

00:31:07   to making the world a better place and [TS]

00:31:09   making and revolutionize and everybody's [TS]

00:31:11   chicken cooking techniques [TS]

00:31:13   alright and say that feels really [TS]

00:31:15   piddling stuff it's an amazing thought [TS]

00:31:16   technology and maybe next this episode [TS]

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00:32:46   there's a pivot that I think first of [TS]

00:32:48   all I don't know why at the 30-minute [TS]

00:32:51   mark I feel the need to say this I like [TS]

00:32:53   to point out is not a prefers this is [TS]

00:32:54   real John is actually doing this like [TS]

00:32:56   you you know people are going to ask [TS]

00:32:58   yeah well I'm and one of the things [TS]

00:33:00   about one of the things about my [TS]

00:33:03   candidacy is that it is an unusual thing [TS]

00:33:06   for somebody like me to run for public [TS]

00:33:08   office and and so yeah they're going to [TS]

00:33:13   be people who are like can this can this [TS]

00:33:15   be real and so you got you got Peter [TS]

00:33:17   Garrett you got jello biafra you got Tom [TS]

00:33:20   Ammiano you got all kinds of people from [TS]

00:33:21   the arts moving into politics you got [TS]

00:33:23   that the ronald reagan ronald reagan [TS]

00:33:25   that's right he moved from the arts into [TS]

00:33:27   politics and brought his brought this [TS]

00:33:29   classic artistic sensibility to what we [TS]

00:33:32   look for direct knowledge pick the [TS]

00:33:34   conduct of his office both as governor [TS]

00:33:36   of california and president [TS]

00:33:38   yeah you really wanted to do to San [TS]

00:33:40   Francisco with highways who dr. well he [TS]

00:33:43   you know Reagan is the one who took art [TS]

00:33:45   who defunded art right he's the one that [TS]

00:33:48   defunded the Arts in America because [TS]

00:33:50   Robert Mapplethorpe did some to add some [TS]

00:33:55   naked pictures yeah yeah and you know [TS]

00:33:58   and that is that's a legacy that we are [TS]

00:34:03   still suffering from ok so here's a big [TS]

00:34:05   thing on during our the big pivot is I'm [TS]

00:34:09   curious the questions i have I think [TS]

00:34:11   we'll have plenty of time to hear about [TS]

00:34:12   your platform [TS]

00:34:13   haha i've had had a good three years of [TS]

00:34:17   hearing about your platform already [TS]

00:34:18   oh you wanna hear about my platform [TS]

00:34:20   gonna call you after we get done with [TS]

00:34:21   this podcast and i've been napping on [TS]

00:34:23   your platform from us and the past [TS]

00:34:26   supertree but we're going here goes [TS]

00:34:29   so the I don't know um i guess i'm [TS]

00:34:33   curious about their students i can go [TS]

00:34:35   and you can pick which one of these you [TS]

00:34:37   want but the the the what kind of [TS]

00:34:39   question i'm super curious about is how [TS]

00:34:41   does this change stuff in your in your [TS]

00:34:43   your life and you talk about it anyway [TS]

00:34:46   you want the other thing i'd like to [TS]

00:34:48   talk about is what do you think it's [TS]

00:34:50   gonna be most difficult about this you [TS]

00:34:51   can take the second question first if [TS]

00:34:52   you want i want i mean what's difficult [TS]

00:34:55   about this not just in terms of making [TS]

00:34:57   it happen what's hard for you what do [TS]

00:34:58   you have to sacrifice one of the things [TS]

00:35:00   you're most on the bubble about either [TS]

00:35:01   in terms of concern or worry or [TS]

00:35:04   sacrifice that like you kind of go now [TS]

00:35:06   I'm gonna miss that being that way [TS]

00:35:08   other things like that there you go like [TS]

00:35:10   well I'm gonna set these kinds of things [TS]

00:35:12   aside [TS]

00:35:13   yeah but in the run-up to this I talked [TS]

00:35:16   to a lot of people in the professional [TS]

00:35:18   political class and they all gave me [TS]

00:35:20   very good advice it was all super good [TS]

00:35:22   advice but and and over the course of [TS]

00:35:26   several weeks of thinking about it all [TS]

00:35:28   that advice creek caused a lot of [TS]

00:35:30   anxiety in me because the way that [TS]

00:35:33   people in the professional political [TS]

00:35:34   class imagine it is that you run [TS]

00:35:36   somebody for office is that they have a [TS]

00:35:39   plan of a certain way of doing things [TS]

00:35:41   and your plan should have a certain [TS]

00:35:43   number of points I understand [TS]

00:35:44   well it's but the thing is it's very [TS]

00:35:46   interesting listicle for politics [TS]

00:35:48   it really is right but it is very [TS]

00:35:50   analogous to what happens when you're a [TS]

00:35:52   brand new band and you're about to put [TS]

00:35:54   your record out everybody that you [TS]

00:35:56   talked to in the music industry has a [TS]

00:35:58   very clear idea about what you need to [TS]

00:35:59   do next and they are more than happy to [TS]

00:36:03   tell you about what you need to do and [TS]

00:36:06   the problem is that that's all true [TS]

00:36:08   until a man comes along that doesn't do [TS]

00:36:10   any of those things and becomes the [TS]

00:36:11   biggest band in the world right and so [TS]

00:36:13   this was when i joined the music [TS]

00:36:15   business [TS]

00:36:16   everybody said I mean that seriously I [TS]

00:36:18   and I know you remember this [TS]

00:36:19   people said oh don't go on the internet [TS]

00:36:21   and talk to your fans right they don't [TS]

00:36:23   you know you need to maintain an air [TS]

00:36:25   mystique that's just rock and roll and [TS]

00:36:28   they say oh you need to you know don't [TS]

00:36:30   waste your money releasing vinyl nobody [TS]

00:36:32   buys vinyl anymore [TS]

00:36:33   save that money to spend on opening [TS]

00:36:37   weekend to try and get your record in [TS]

00:36:39   the top 10 [TS]

00:36:41   I'll say that for pitch for cats right [TS]

00:36:43   but you know or just like or you know [TS]

00:36:45   get it on myspace or whatever I mean [TS]

00:36:47   everybody knew exactly what you were [TS]

00:36:49   supposed to do until until the game [TS]

00:36:53   changed and that wasn't how you did it [TS]

00:36:55   anymore [TS]

00:36:56   so in the run-up to this people were [TS]

00:36:59   giving me a lot of advice and what they [TS]

00:37:00   were trying to do was either put me into [TS]

00:37:02   a box where I was claiming to be a [TS]

00:37:06   social activist or I was claiming to be [TS]

00:37:09   a you know like up like that music had [TS]

00:37:14   been this hobby but really i'd been a [TS]

00:37:16   secret politician the whole time and at [TS]

00:37:19   a certain point a few weeks ago I i said [TS]

00:37:22   to this group of advisors I was like [TS]

00:37:24   listen okay you know what this is this [TS]

00:37:27   is causing me a lot of stress because [TS]

00:37:29   I'm not either one of those things i am [TS]

00:37:31   an artist and I made a life for myself [TS]

00:37:33   as an artist and I believe in the [TS]

00:37:35   transformative power of art and if i can [TS]

00:37:38   get elected to the seattle city council [TS]

00:37:39   up with that then I can then i will run [TS]

00:37:44   because i believe it and I believe that [TS]

00:37:49   that art is a is one of the pillars of [TS]

00:37:52   civilization if you are telling me that [TS]

00:37:55   the only way I can get elected to the [TS]

00:37:57   seattle city council is that I pretend [TS]

00:37:58   that I've been a housing activists this [TS]

00:38:01   entire time or that I that I portray [TS]

00:38:03   myself as a as like a legal expert on [TS]

00:38:09   local government then there's no point [TS]

00:38:12   there's no point in me lying to people [TS]

00:38:14   because every other candidate is [TS]

00:38:16   portraying themselves in a certain light [TS]

00:38:18   and I'm just I have to just be myself [TS]

00:38:20   and I do believe that I can get elected [TS]

00:38:23   by doing that but it requires that we [TS]

00:38:26   that we change people's expectations i [TS]

00:38:31   guess but so that is the that's the [TS]

00:38:34   thing that's caused me the most stress [TS]

00:38:36   and it is the thing that is maybe going [TS]

00:38:38   to be the most difficult um you know for [TS]

00:38:43   me personally I have I relish my free [TS]

00:38:50   time and I relish the fact that i don't [TS]

00:38:53   have to wake up at the crack of dawn but [TS]

00:38:55   I wasn't gonna bring it up and this is [TS]

00:38:58   going to require that I that I change [TS]

00:39:01   that about myself but you know that is [TS]

00:39:06   very very do [TS]

00:39:08   global that is a you know those are [TS]

00:39:10   luxuries that by afforded myself but [TS]

00:39:14   I've said on this podcast and you and I [TS]

00:39:16   have talked for years about the fact [TS]

00:39:18   that you have to set that you have to [TS]

00:39:23   set your aspirations for yourself [TS]

00:39:25   somewhere and you get to be 45 years old [TS]

00:39:29   and there's a tremendous pole to set [TS]

00:39:33   your aspirations for yourself right [TS]

00:39:34   about where you're at right [TS]

00:39:37   oh you know what my aspirations are to [TS]

00:39:38   just keep burbling along like I'm doing [TS]

00:39:41   there's a lot less disappointing right [TS]

00:39:43   right because it's so scary to be 45 and [TS]

00:39:45   to do something that puts you right back [TS]

00:39:49   in a place where you don't know what's [TS]

00:39:50   going to happen next [TS]

00:39:51   it's much better to be like I know the [TS]

00:39:53   band's I like and I know the [TS]

00:39:54   neighborhood I like to go to and I and [TS]

00:39:56   I'd I go to the pub and they know me by [TS]

00:39:58   name and and I'm doing pretty good but [TS]

00:40:04   but that isn't that isn't enough for me [TS]

00:40:06   and never has been in and so you know do [TS]

00:40:09   I have to get up in the morning in order [TS]

00:40:11   to do this I I absolutely do [TS]

00:40:14   and do i have to learn to love it i'm [TS]

00:40:18   not sure if that's possible but it is [TS]

00:40:21   you know I am galvanized by a desire to [TS]

00:40:25   do something you know to take the [TS]

00:40:28   privilege that Seattle has afforded me [TS]

00:40:30   and and turn that back into sacrifice [TS]

00:40:36   yeah but like specifically candidate [TS]

00:40:40   like what it what do you what do you uh [TS]

00:40:43   what I realize this is gonna be a crazy [TS]

00:40:45   process and there's a lot of sugar be [TS]

00:40:48   learning about and reacting to as it [TS]

00:40:49   comes along but you know do you have in [TS]

00:40:51   mind are there things that you know [TS]

00:40:52   already where you go well that's the [TS]

00:40:54   thing i'm just not gonna be able to do [TS]

00:40:56   or the way that I like or at all or in a [TS]

00:41:00   different way [TS]

00:41:01   I mean obviously there's a thing of like [TS]

00:41:03   you know being able to talk in the way [TS]

00:41:04   that you might like on the show I mean I [TS]

00:41:06   know you're not a man whose necessarily [TS]

00:41:07   I don't think you somebody who purchases [TS]

00:41:09   what you say too much to begin with but [TS]

00:41:12   I mean like is there like as far as time [TS]

00:41:13   and stuff to you talk last year I'm [TS]

00:41:15   gonna get a refresher or [TS]

00:41:17   refer the gentleman to your earlier [TS]

00:41:19   remarks that you want to do my [TS]

00:41:20   songwriting this year and I guess this [TS]

00:41:22   probably came up in the interregnum but [TS]

00:41:24   what's the kind of stuff where you go [TS]

00:41:25   like that's gonna just have to be okay [TS]

00:41:27   for me to not do this particular thing [TS]

00:41:29   for a while other things like that [TS]

00:41:31   well you know this is absolutely going [TS]

00:41:34   to change my parenting [TS]

00:41:36   um I've had the opportunity to spend the [TS]

00:41:40   first four years of my daughter's life [TS]

00:41:41   kind of a at my leisure with her and now [TS]

00:41:45   i have to do what every parent has to do [TS]

00:41:48   which is learn to budget my time better [TS]

00:41:49   and learn to budget my time in such a [TS]

00:41:53   way that the last thing that suffers is [TS]

00:41:56   my daughter and that is going to require [TS]

00:41:58   a lot of a lot of additional effort and [TS]

00:42:01   thinking on my part to make sure that [TS]

00:42:03   she doesn't see less of me and yet I am [TS]

00:42:08   also doing all this new and additional [TS]

00:42:11   work who that you know the work that I [TS]

00:42:15   do now is real work it often looks like [TS]

00:42:18   sitting and staring at the wall it also [TS]

00:42:21   often looks like dreaming but that is [TS]

00:42:24   real creative work [TS]

00:42:26   the thing about this undertaking is that [TS]

00:42:29   the work that I need to do often just [TS]

00:42:31   looks like being there you know it means [TS]

00:42:34   getting up and getting in the car and [TS]

00:42:35   being there on time [TS]

00:42:37   listen to people takes a lot of time it [TS]

00:42:39   does not become not being silly i mean [TS]

00:42:40   making yourself available just 22 [TS]

00:42:46   I mean I I'm just to my own completely [TS]

00:42:48   non political experience and just the [TS]

00:42:50   number of people that have my email [TS]

00:42:51   address and can't one can email me or [TS]

00:42:53   text me like I don't always want to have [TS]

00:42:55   to talk to people all the time and it [TS]

00:42:56   seems like you're gonna have to have an [TS]

00:42:59   amount of on the one hand access [TS]

00:43:01   different than probably ever before that [TS]

00:43:04   you welcome and embrace but also that [TS]

00:43:06   there's going to be a lot more stuff i [TS]

00:43:08   mean look at the last couple what the [TS]

00:43:09   last week set aside being second easter [TS]

00:43:11   just how many times we have to change [TS]

00:43:12   the scheduling just good stuff that's [TS]

00:43:14   that's happened that's it that's going [TS]

00:43:15   to become like a thing you're going to [TS]

00:43:16   have to like be okay with how often [TS]

00:43:19   circumstances require you to do [TS]

00:43:21   something differently [TS]

00:43:22   yeah I i do have to and I have to be I [TS]

00:43:25   have to be there in a way but you know [TS]

00:43:29   it's funny I was doing a photoshoot [TS]

00:43:30   tonight [TS]

00:43:31   downtown getting some pictures you know [TS]

00:43:35   up for the launch and i'm standing on [TS]

00:43:40   the street corner and a group of women [TS]

00:43:42   comes by and they're like hey you're [TS]

00:43:44   John Roderick and I go yeah hi [TS]

00:43:46   and they go what are you doing why you [TS]

00:43:47   standing you're getting your picture [TS]

00:43:48   taken you know they're all their little [TS]

00:43:49   bit older than me they're also women in [TS]

00:43:51   their early fifties and I said guess [TS]

00:43:54   what I'm running for City Council and [TS]

00:43:56   they were like oh my god that's [TS]

00:43:57   fantastic and we stood and we talked [TS]

00:43:59   about the city for a minute [TS]

00:44:01   we talked about what they perceive to be [TS]

00:44:03   the problems in the city and then they [TS]

00:44:06   were very content to say fantastic [TS]

00:44:10   we are so glad that you're running you [TS]

00:44:13   have our vote and then we all took a [TS]

00:44:14   picture together and then they were like [TS]

00:44:17   goodbye because there's a different way [TS]

00:44:20   of there's a different way that people [TS]

00:44:22   want to talk to a candidate if you know [TS]

00:44:25   if I had been like I'm just standing out [TS]

00:44:27   here thinking about some songs and [TS]

00:44:29   talking about some songs they would have [TS]

00:44:31   said great let's all what let's stay [TS]

00:44:33   here together for an hour and a half but [TS]

00:44:35   I'm a candidate for political office and [TS]

00:44:37   there's something in that where people [TS]

00:44:38   recognized I mean your most people [TS]

00:44:40   normal people recognize that you go [TS]

00:44:43   great let's get a picture you have our [TS]

00:44:44   votes goodbye and I'm standing there [TS]

00:44:47   having had this wonderful experience [TS]

00:44:49   with these people [TS]

00:44:50   I'm thinking well this is interesting [TS]

00:44:51   that was a that's they knew me as a [TS]

00:44:54   musician but when i said that i was [TS]

00:44:57   running for office all of a sudden we [TS]

00:44:59   had a very different conversation it was [TS]

00:45:00   yeah I read about that it's gonna be [TS]

00:45:01   real different [TS]

00:45:02   it was very enjoyable to like they were [TS]

00:45:05   excited i was running they offered their [TS]

00:45:07   support [TS]

00:45:08   he may be found a new way to make people [TS]

00:45:09   afraid of talking to you well so when I [TS]

00:45:12   would love to get a course on that so I [TS]

00:45:14   walked down the street about half a [TS]

00:45:16   block and there's another group of like [TS]

00:45:18   five people standing there there are a [TS]

00:45:20   couple of families they have a couple of [TS]

00:45:22   little kids and they're like hey uh [TS]

00:45:24   you're John Roderick and I go yeah hello [TS]

00:45:28   and I'm thinking to myself from this is [TS]

00:45:29   interesting like ever all the sudden i'm [TS]

00:45:31   walking down the street doing a [TS]

00:45:33   photoshoot and everybody in the world [TS]

00:45:35   knows who I am what but it's very [TS]

00:45:37   unusual right to see somebody standing [TS]

00:45:39   there getting their picture taken on the [TS]

00:45:41   sidewalk [TS]

00:45:43   and so this group of people says hi you [TS]

00:45:44   know what are you doing and I say oh I'm [TS]

00:45:47   running for public office and they said [TS]

00:45:48   we just overheard you talking to those [TS]

00:45:50   people and we wondered if that was what [TS]

00:45:51   it was and I said yes I'm running for [TS]

00:45:54   City Council we talked for a few minutes [TS]

00:45:57   they told me what they thought needed to [TS]

00:46:01   happen in the city and they said we're [TS]

00:46:03   so excited for you you have our vote [TS]

00:46:05   let's get a picture [TS]

00:46:07   goodbye and I was like what is this this [TS]

00:46:12   is a very different as soon as your [TS]

00:46:14   candidate people are talking to [TS]

00:46:15   differently so it is about being there [TS]

00:46:18   it's about talking to people but also [TS]

00:46:20   it's a completely different conversation [TS]

00:46:23   than the way people want to talk to [TS]

00:46:25   their favorite musician [TS]

00:46:27   Wow and so it's so you know quite [TS]

00:46:33   candidly I was energized by both [TS]

00:46:36   exchanges and and that was exciting to [TS]

00:46:40   me now i know that running for public [TS]

00:46:43   office there's gonna be somebody that [TS]

00:46:44   wants to talk to me about chemtrails for [TS]

00:46:46   an hour and a half but little do they [TS]

00:46:49   know that i am an expert on chemtrails [TS]

00:46:51   but also you might you might want to [TS]

00:46:53   have a blue ribbon panel but here's the [TS]

00:46:54   thing i am i'm gonna i'm gonna have a [TS]

00:46:58   campaign manager who's standing next to [TS]

00:46:59   me with some kind of a large phone and [TS]

00:47:05   that camp and i already have this person [TS]

00:47:07   my campaign manager already is a person [TS]

00:47:09   who actually has a large phone [TS]

00:47:11   Wow see that was that smart staffing mhm [TS]

00:47:13   and this campaign manager it is good [TS]

00:47:15   question do you have a large phone [TS]

00:47:16   yes a large fuckin I see it can IC you [TS]

00:47:19   operate and but but then the person the [TS]

00:47:22   person is gonna come up and say what I'm [TS]

00:47:24   going to do about chemtrails and mine [TS]

00:47:26   and of course I'm gonna go let me tell [TS]

00:47:28   you about my policy about chemtrails and [TS]

00:47:32   my campaign manager with my with the [TS]

00:47:34   large phone is going to lean in and i'm [TS]

00:47:36   going to say mr. Roderick we have to go [TS]

00:47:38   and I'm gonna go you don't want I don't [TS]

00:47:40   want I want to engage you on chemtrails [TS]

00:47:42   I really do but we're going to table [TS]

00:47:44   this until I see you next and i will not [TS]

00:47:47   be lying [TS]

00:47:48   yeah but also i will be able to get away [TS]

00:47:51   because i have somebody whose job it is [TS]

00:47:53   to recognize the tin foil hat [TS]

00:47:56   even with a year about the even when [TS]

00:48:01   they're under a different kind of hat so [TS]

00:48:04   anyway so that is good you know my life [TS]

00:48:07   was my life is going to change it really [TS]

00:48:09   is and a lot of it is going to be [TS]

00:48:10   availability to people accessibility but [TS]

00:48:13   you know there's another thing which is [TS]

00:48:15   I realized as going into this I don't [TS]

00:48:19   want to run against the other people who [TS]

00:48:22   are campaigning for the seat [TS]

00:48:23   it sounds like what you described I mean [TS]

00:48:25   private i guess but you sound like you [TS]

00:48:27   have a lot of respect for the people [TS]

00:48:28   were running i have absolutely nothing [TS]

00:48:30   against my opponents I think anybody [TS]

00:48:33   that wants to having just even entered [TS]

00:48:35   into the process as much as I have I [TS]

00:48:37   have tremendous respect for anybody that [TS]

00:48:39   runs for office it is excruciatingly [TS]

00:48:41   difficult and it really is sacrifice you [TS]

00:48:44   know it when we talk about we think [TS]

00:48:46   people for their service who have served [TS]

00:48:49   in the military i heard they don't like [TS]

00:48:51   that I interesting that you know they [TS]

00:48:54   they think they think each other for [TS]

00:48:56   their service [TS]

00:48:57   uh-huh it thinking somebody for their [TS]

00:48:59   service where it feels gratuitous or it [TS]

00:49:01   feels like it's some kind of way to pat [TS]

00:49:04   yourself was like me talking to Ramona [TS]

00:49:06   in the last day of the cruise it's a [TS]

00:49:07   little condescending right you don't [TS]

00:49:09   want to condescend to somebody who [TS]

00:49:10   actually has who has done some heart [TS]

00:49:13   literally risk their life for several [TS]

00:49:15   years and then you get to be you get to [TS]

00:49:17   congratulate yourself because you thank [TS]

00:49:19   them for their service great they can [TS]

00:49:21   smell that I think but the reality is [TS]

00:49:24   that public service takes a lot of forms [TS]

00:49:26   and one of those forms is engaging in [TS]

00:49:28   your is participating in your government [TS]

00:49:30   so I don't want to die I don't have no [TS]

00:49:33   desire to run for this office by [TS]

00:49:36   denigrating my opponents or by a by [TS]

00:49:41   saying you sir are no Jack Kennedy or [TS]

00:49:43   whatever maybe what I mean I'm you [TS]

00:49:47   haven't asked if you want some help [TS]

00:49:48   coming up with singers like that I'd be [TS]

00:49:49   happy to write well you know what i have [TS]

00:49:51   i have lloyd bentsen on my speed dial [TS]

00:49:52   [Music] [TS]

00:49:54   haha i but but [TS]

00:49:58   and so in the end of the fact is i do [TS]

00:50:00   not know at some point in this election [TS]

00:50:03   and I'm absolutely sure it will happen [TS]

00:50:04   that somebody will say something really [TS]

00:50:08   nasty about me [TS]

00:50:09   no I think it's something i don't think [TS]

00:50:10   it's gonna happen i think well you know [TS]

00:50:12   it's hard to know it depends really its [TS]

00:50:13   early days it's early and it probably [TS]

00:50:15   won't happen tomorrow but somewhere [TS]

00:50:17   along the line I do everything right and [TS]

00:50:20   cha but somebody's gonna take a shot at [TS]

00:50:22   me and of course as you know those of us [TS]

00:50:25   who spend all our time on the internet [TS]

00:50:26   we do not want people to yell at us a [TS]

00:50:30   and part of this job is putting yourself [TS]

00:50:34   out there and inviting at least [TS]

00:50:38   affording people the opportunity if they [TS]

00:50:40   want to yell at you [TS]

00:50:41   here you are I would go further than [TS]

00:50:42   that it's part of your job to take out [TS]

00:50:45   that's right it's it's it's not optional [TS]

00:50:47   right and so that is that will require a [TS]

00:50:51   kind of a well you know what ultimately [TS]

00:50:54   i think a kind of humility and as you [TS]

00:50:58   know I've been trying to learn and [TS]

00:51:03   embrace humility for a long time and [TS]

00:51:08   even gearing up this much to run for [TS]

00:51:10   office like the humility opportunities [TS]

00:51:15   come every day on a big platter and if [TS]

00:51:20   you run for office like full of [TS]

00:51:22   arrogance its it's here it's a gross to [TS]

00:51:28   a service or a gross miss apprehension [TS]

00:51:29   of what the job is [TS]

00:51:30   and I really do feel like the humility [TS]

00:51:36   of standing there and letting people [TS]

00:51:38   take shots at you and and then and and [TS]

00:51:44   and you keep standing and you keep [TS]

00:51:45   talking about what you think matters is [TS]

00:51:48   something that I I've been practicing [TS]

00:51:51   for it for a long time and you know i [TS]

00:51:53   don't think anybody looks forward to it [TS]

00:51:56   but it's really going to change it for [TS]

00:51:58   me and particularly you know I mean I [TS]

00:52:01   have a kid I don't want she can't read [TS]

00:52:03   the newspapers yet but one day she will [TS]

00:52:06   she'll be sitting in the library stacks [TS]

00:52:08   looking at a microfiche uh-huh and [TS]

00:52:11   she'll be reading the newspaper accounts [TS]

00:52:12   on her microfiche because even though [TS]

00:52:15   the internet is going to transform urban [TS]

00:52:17   life [TS]

00:52:18   yes still students will read microfiche [TS]

00:52:20   absolutely it's part of the core [TS]

00:52:21   curriculum that father what did you do [TS]

00:52:23   during the chemtrails force [TS]

00:52:24   yeah and she'll be there looking at the [TS]

00:52:26   microfiche and there will be some [TS]

00:52:27   newspaper article where somebody says [TS]

00:52:29   have I have you ever really listened to [TS]

00:52:35   the supertrain episode of their podcast [TS]

00:52:37   that's nothing [TS]

00:52:40   haha that's that that's a romp that [TS]

00:52:43   one's that one's I think that one's [TS]

00:52:45   actually that would bring a lot of [TS]

00:52:46   people into your big tension if I could [TS]

00:52:48   you think so yeah oh yeah that's not I'm [TS]

00:52:50   not gonna I'm not gonna help that i'm [TS]

00:52:51   not gonna help the competition by [TS]

00:52:52   picking out upset but you did you think [TS]

00:52:54   it will bring all the boys to the yard [TS]

00:52:55   make it sure could [TS]

00:52:57   mm ah but you this is gonna be your job [TS]

00:53:02   now [TS]

00:53:02   yeah right i mean let's be clear here [TS]

00:53:05   you need to campaign for are the primary [TS]

00:53:08   and then if and when you succeed that [TS]

00:53:11   you go onto the election where this is [TS]

00:53:14   going to be your job at least through [TS]

00:53:15   the summer [TS]

00:53:16   yeah right and and that and they'll [TS]

00:53:18   here's the worst part we haven't talked [TS]

00:53:19   about this up fundraising yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:53:24   the whole game is is asking people for [TS]

00:53:27   money thing that we all hate to do right [TS]

00:53:29   and so asking people for money is and [TS]

00:53:34   the thing is asking them for money and [TS]

00:53:35   then they go okay with what we sure will [TS]

00:53:38   support you and then you ask them again [TS]

00:53:41   hey remember when you said you supported [TS]

00:53:43   me we will give me that money and [TS]

00:53:44   they're like okay we sure will thanks [TS]

00:53:45   for calling again and then you look and [TS]

00:53:48   you see that they didn't give you the [TS]

00:53:49   money and then you call him again you go [TS]

00:53:50   hey just me calling to check in like [TS]

00:53:52   it's the worst and you do that until [TS]

00:53:56   they either give you money or they say [TS]

00:53:58   listen don't ever call here again and [TS]

00:54:00   even then I think you have to call them [TS]

00:54:02   against AI know that you told me not to [TS]

00:54:04   do this but the so the advantage is that [TS]

00:54:08   the way that seattle City [TS]

00:54:09   elections work the maximum amount that [TS]

00:54:12   anybody can donate to use seven hundred [TS]

00:54:14   dollars so there is at least a ceiling [TS]

00:54:19   where if somebody has given you seven [TS]

00:54:21   hundred dollars you just can't take any [TS]

00:54:23   more money from them [TS]

00:54:23   compile and make the whole soccer team [TS]

00:54:25   give you money or something like that [TS]

00:54:26   well there are a lot of ethics rules [TS]

00:54:28   about that if it ever if everybody that [TS]

00:54:31   works for paul allen gives you seven [TS]

00:54:32   hundred dollars the ethics committee is [TS]

00:54:34   going to is going to take some of those [TS]

00:54:35   people aside and say Colin make you do [TS]

00:54:39   this and if they say yeah he kind of did [TS]

00:54:41   then that's our that's a super violation [TS]

00:54:44   of this is gonna be so crazy right it's [TS]

00:54:47   gnarly anything so many times you seven [TS]

00:54:49   hundred dollars and then they then they [TS]

00:54:52   are also give you like a silver [TS]

00:54:55   candlestick and they say here's a [TS]

00:54:57   candlestick use it for your election the [TS]

00:54:59   value of that candlestick has to be [TS]

00:55:02   computed into the amount they have given [TS]

00:55:06   you and if they've already given you [TS]

00:55:07   seven dollars they can't give you the [TS]

00:55:09   candlestick you have to give it back all [TS]

00:55:10   you love candlesticks like 910 and the [TS]

00:55:13   thing is if you're running a campaign of [TS]

00:55:14   course you want a big table and you want [TS]

00:55:16   some candlesticks on it and that's a [TS]

00:55:18   huge differentiator there was AI episode [TS]

00:55:20   of fresh air the other day which is [TS]

00:55:21   where I learned everything and i think [TS]

00:55:26   it was i was on a mission to remember [TS]

00:55:27   right it was a David being cruelly in [TS]

00:55:29   for dave davies in for terry gross haha [TS]

00:55:31   was apparently away and now that was a [TS]

00:55:35   great interview with this woman let me [TS]

00:55:37   get her name judge to bail cop and she [TS]

00:55:39   was the former I think she's the Chief [TS]

00:55:42   Justice of Alabama and was intimated you [TS]

00:55:46   should hear that it was amazing [TS]

00:55:47   interview because now that she's out of [TS]

00:55:48   office she's advocating strongly for the [TS]

00:55:51   idea that judges should not be elected [TS]

00:55:54   positions that it's very unusual like [TS]

00:55:56   internationally there are not that many [TS]

00:55:58   good first world countries where you [TS]

00:55:59   elect judges and that the whole idea of [TS]

00:56:01   like having to do elections is such as a [TS]

00:56:05   judge and having to see people come [TS]

00:56:06   before you right now that how insanely [TS]

00:56:08   but i guess not [TS]

00:56:09   I mean that angle is interesting but the [TS]

00:56:11   way she handles it she's really honest [TS]

00:56:13   about it and talks is really and I feel [TS]

00:56:14   like I have no way of knowing but I felt [TS]

00:56:16   like she was very honest about talking [TS]

00:56:18   to you feel her discomfort about the [TS]

00:56:20   basic process where she had to get [TS]

00:56:22   somebody on the phone [TS]

00:56:23   and and like get up to the point of [TS]

00:56:25   asking for money and basically say can I [TS]

00:56:27   have my finance person contact you [TS]

00:56:28   the thing is and what she's exactly as [TS]

00:56:31   clear she's about that and the pain of [TS]

00:56:32   that she's exactly as clear saying i [TS]

00:56:33   could not have been elected if I hadn't [TS]

00:56:35   done that [TS]

00:56:35   yeah yeah yeah it's in everything that [TS]

00:56:37   she did was ethical she didn't do [TS]

00:56:39   anything wrong nobody was nothing [TS]

00:56:40   anybody anything wrong except that the [TS]

00:56:42   institution of what makes those kinds of [TS]

00:56:44   things legal is is difficult for [TS]

00:56:46   everybody it is and the problem with it [TS]

00:56:48   is that somebody gives you a some money [TS]

00:56:50   and then there is just inherent in that [TS]

00:56:54   a lot of expectation when I gave you [TS]

00:56:56   that money and somebody like me i have a [TS]

00:56:59   tremendous advantage which is that I'm [TS]

00:57:01   not beholden to anybody right I didn't [TS]

00:57:04   come up out of the union's I didn't come [TS]

00:57:07   up out of the prosecutor's office right [TS]

00:57:09   i am a completely free agent who also [TS]

00:57:13   like knows every nook and cranny of [TS]

00:57:15   Seattle and so I go into this able to [TS]

00:57:19   say i am i'm clean and I'm also like I [TS]

00:57:25   have a have a moral compass I'm not [TS]

00:57:27   liable to a to have somebody sidle up to [TS]

00:57:32   me and hand me a briefcase and somebody [TS]

00:57:34   just gives you a candle get write it [TS]

00:57:35   down [TS]

00:57:36   well there's only free to get back to me [TS]

00:57:38   on that if you need me know I i went and [TS]

00:57:40   had a long meeting with the with the [TS]

00:57:42   Seattle elections ethics office where [TS]

00:57:46   all of that was it was talked about and [TS]

00:57:49   there are really clear rules for [TS]

00:57:51   everything you know but they aren't they [TS]

00:57:53   are clear they're not and I was no [TS]

00:57:55   they're not good and if you take money [TS]

00:57:56   from somebody you need to have been [TS]

00:57:58   their name and address and phone number [TS]

00:58:00   two I mean you can't just if somebody [TS]

00:58:02   walks up and says here seven hundred [TS]

00:58:03   dollars in a paper bag good luck [TS]

00:58:05   you have to hand it back to them you [TS]

00:58:08   have to say you need to fill out a form [TS]

00:58:10   right that allows us to know that you [TS]

00:58:12   gave me this money but this becomes [TS]

00:58:13   that's gonna have to be a big part of [TS]

00:58:15   what you do for the next few months [TS]

00:58:17   writing especially first was getting I [TS]

00:58:19   don't know anything about anything but [TS]

00:58:21   only part of it is like getting that [TS]

00:58:22   money from other people show 0 serious [TS]

00:58:25   and then absolutely [TS]

00:58:26   ok we are early money is like yeast [TS]

00:58:28   right like you start getting that and [TS]

00:58:29   then people want to give me more [TS]

00:58:31   it's the way you communicate to the [TS]

00:58:33   professional political class [TS]

00:58:35   no journalists and the people who are [TS]

00:58:37   watching the race it's the way you [TS]

00:58:38   communicate that you are contender is [TS]

00:58:40   strictly that you have money and that's [TS]

00:58:43   why you end up with people running for [TS]

00:58:46   office who are already millionaires and [TS]

00:58:48   they just use their own money and that's [TS]

00:58:50   why we're taking those people seriously [TS]

00:58:51   because they have money and and it [TS]

00:58:53   doesn't mean that they are actually [TS]

00:58:56   serious people or good people [TS]

00:58:58   it just means that they start out with [TS]

00:59:00   the advantage of having the money to run [TS]

00:59:02   a campaign that the advantage that i [TS]

00:59:06   have that the other candidates don't is [TS]

00:59:09   that I'm not struggling for name [TS]

00:59:11   recognition and also there's nobody else [TS]

00:59:15   running for City office who lives on the [TS]

00:59:19   internet the way I do [TS]

00:59:21   who and so I've never you know I've [TS]

00:59:24   never gone to the internet and ask them [TS]

00:59:26   for anything all i do is give to the [TS]

00:59:29   internet you know this about me I do [TS]

00:59:31   know that I leave until my eyeballs hard [TS]

00:59:35   about whether you even want to [TS]

00:59:36   participate once you did you just open [TS]

00:59:38   those gates and just all your gifts just [TS]

00:59:40   came flowing out one way one way John [TS]

00:59:41   that's right I said internet here take [TS]

00:59:43   it all [TS]

00:59:44   you know I i'm basically the giving tree [TS]

00:59:46   of the internet who didn't get chopped [TS]

00:59:51   down [TS]

00:59:52   yeah he does for others and you know [TS]

00:59:54   what I've been chopped down but I got up [TS]

00:59:56   again I think [TS]

00:59:56   again I think [TS]

01:00:00   those guys are anarchists who know they [TS]

01:00:02   are yesterday number Wamba Wamba Wamba [TS]

01:00:04   are anarchists they lay our collective [TS]

01:00:06   an anarchist collective I'm gonna go [TS]

01:00:08   read up on this I remember Peter Garrett [TS]

01:00:10   Peter Garrett was one of the government [TS]

01:00:12   oil right didn't he actually did he [TS]

01:00:14   actually win in his election give it [TS]

01:00:16   back [TS]

01:00:18   wow he did when he was a very effective [TS]

01:00:22   politician hell of a dancer too [TS]

01:00:24   he said he's an extraordinary man and i [TS]

01:00:26   think i think in Australian he's hot [TS]

01:00:28   held in fairly high regard they have an [TS]

01:00:30   unusual I've seen remember reading [TS]

01:00:32   overhearing one another all guys running [TS]

01:00:33   for office they have don't they have [TS]

01:00:35   kind of a wackadoodle with all respect [TS]

01:00:36   to our fuzzy friends the kind of a [TS]

01:00:38   wackadoodle way of doing national [TS]

01:00:40   elections where it's I guess someone [TS]

01:00:43   electoral in nature or something where [TS]

01:00:45   like an outsider can can actually have a [TS]

01:00:46   chance or something like that i don't [TS]

01:00:47   know i don't know it's been interesting [TS]

01:00:48   my understanding about Australian [TS]

01:00:50   elections is that they put a marble in a [TS]

01:00:52   conch shell and then they put the conch [TS]

01:00:55   shell at the bottom of a reef who and [TS]

01:00:57   that it's out of pillar at the bottom of [TS]

01:00:59   a reef they don't say which reef and [TS]

01:01:01   they get half a map to give each [TS]

01:01:03   candidate a knife and let them and they [TS]

01:01:05   have to carry the knife in their mouth [TS]

01:01:06   yeah and then they ask you is that a [TS]

01:01:08   knife and then you have to answer as a [TS]

01:01:10   dog that's your makeup that's not a [TS]

01:01:13   solenoid oh do ya I think they do things [TS]

01:01:18   very differently there and I think in [TS]

01:01:21   New Zealand right don't you just you go [TS]

01:01:23   to the top of a volcano and throw [TS]

01:01:24   somebody in and the and the family is [TS]

01:01:27   something like that name but they scream [TS]

01:01:29   on their way down there may be answers [TS]

01:01:31   that you not confuse it with the [TS]

01:01:32   Australian Way of doing elections [TS]

01:01:34   they're very sensitive about that let's [TS]

01:01:36   you know what enough said [TS]

01:01:37   yeah about the Kiwis versus the also [TS]

01:01:40   what he's gonna miss when you get a [TS]

01:01:41   minute here again I mean like you you [TS]

01:01:42   gotta miss let's be honest you're gonna [TS]

01:01:43   I'm guessing you're gonna miss like [TS]

01:01:46   having your time be your own such as it [TS]

01:01:48   has been that that's got to be one [TS]

01:01:50   well it yes it i will but I also you [TS]

01:01:56   know you stand at the threshold of [TS]

01:01:58   something and you cannot take a step [TS]

01:02:02   forward if you are consumed with [TS]

01:02:04   thinking about what you're going to miss [TS]

01:02:05   like what I don't know about what the [TS]

01:02:09   future holds about what my life is going [TS]

01:02:11   to look like is everything I do [TS]

01:02:13   don't know anything about what is going [TS]

01:02:15   to happen next and that's thrilling and [TS]

01:02:20   I just have to step into that what I [TS]

01:02:23   will you know when when before my [TS]

01:02:26   daughter was born a lot of people said [TS]

01:02:27   aren't you gonna miss your freedom and I [TS]

01:02:33   said well you know I've had a lot of [TS]

01:02:35   freedom [TS]

01:02:36   I've been to a lot of plays and dance [TS]

01:02:42   recitals and bars and rock shows and in [TS]

01:02:45   fact for many years I would go to three [TS]

01:02:47   or four rock shows a night [TS]

01:02:48   um I'll i have lived I have sucked the [TS]

01:02:52   marrow out of life who once my daughter [TS]

01:02:56   was born I realized that whatever [TS]

01:02:59   whatever I no longer could do because of [TS]

01:03:03   my daughter what that did not feel like [TS]

01:03:07   a sacrifice at all right I couldn't go [TS]

01:03:10   out and see rock shows anymore because i [TS]

01:03:12   was at home with my beautiful daughter [TS]

01:03:15   who you know looking into her eyes is [TS]

01:03:19   like a kind of drug that i never knew [TS]

01:03:21   existed and so I don't I mean only [TS]

01:03:25   somebody that doesn't have a kid would [TS]

01:03:27   ask you aren't you worried about losing [TS]

01:03:29   your freedom because when you're when [TS]

01:03:31   you lose your freedom you do it [TS]

01:03:33   voluntarily and you say farewell to to [TS]

01:03:38   you my freedom I mean hopefully you do [TS]

01:03:41   at least i did i said i do not need to [TS]

01:03:44   go to see spoon tonight although I want [TS]

01:03:48   to because i'm here with my daughter [TS]

01:03:50   which is something I want to do more and [TS]

01:03:53   so in looking at my myfuturelife a [TS]

01:03:58   running for office first which is a very [TS]

01:04:01   different job from holding office second [TS]

01:04:03   i can only hope and expect that [TS]

01:04:10   that the sacrifice of giving up my [TS]

01:04:14   ability to go down to portland this [TS]

01:04:17   afternoon because I want to talk to [TS]

01:04:19   somebody about a hamburger and then once [TS]

01:04:23   I'm down there maybe I'll you know do it [TS]

01:04:26   like jump up at their show and play [TS]

01:04:27   guitar solo like losing the ability to [TS]

01:04:31   do that because I have to hear I hear [TS]

01:04:35   that you have to be here the following [TS]

01:04:36   morning to hear about how work we're [TS]

01:04:39   going to redo our sewer system to [TS]

01:04:41   accommodate wet wipes um I can only hope [TS]

01:04:46   that and I and I do expect that I will [TS]

01:04:49   be so invigorated and thrilled by the [TS]

01:04:52   opportunity that i won't look at it as a [TS]

01:04:54   sacrifice [TS]

01:04:56   that's a good answer now yeah and I and [TS]

01:05:00   I and I can't imagine i can't imagine [TS]

01:05:02   looking at the next 40 to 50 years of my [TS]

01:05:07   life on this planet and thinking about [TS]

01:05:09   it in in any terms other them that you [TS]

01:05:13   know I have to just keep stepping [TS]

01:05:14   through that door every time and and you [TS]

01:05:21   know that because the alternative is to [TS]

01:05:22   just come to a doorway one day where I [TS]

01:05:25   go well that's sad it's one door way too [TS]

01:05:28   many I'm not stepping through this one [TS]

01:05:29   I'm just I'm fine here and that doesn't [TS]

01:05:33   feel like it would you know that's not [TS]

01:05:38   what I've been working toward movement [TS]

01:05:42   and hopefully you know I don't come to [TS]

01:05:44   some doorway and have somebody say like [TS]

01:05:47   well if you step through this doorway [TS]

01:05:48   there's either a lion or a beautiful [TS]

01:05:54   princess in a lady or a tiger which is [TS]

01:05:57   it gonna be huh you know is that what [TS]

01:05:59   i'm gonna do is i'm gonna i'm going to [TS]

01:06:01   open both doors at the same time because [TS]

01:06:02   I'm i got long arms [TS]

01:06:06   yeah this is gonna be a ride you know [TS]

01:06:09   what and the thing is like we're going [TS]

01:06:11   to talk about some stuff some weird [TS]

01:06:13   stuff on here i'm not going to continue [TS]

01:06:15   can't continue to monopolize our mutual [TS]

01:06:18   podcast that we love so dearly [TS]

01:06:21   is that a commitment that's campaign [TS]

01:06:23   promise what this is my commitment to [TS]

01:06:25   you and I would like I would like if you [TS]

01:06:29   will if you will allow us who I would [TS]

01:06:31   like to close out this announcement [TS]

01:06:34   podcast with your new thought technology [TS]

01:06:37   about cooking chicken [TS]

01:06:38   thank you John first of all I'd like to [TS]

01:06:40   say thank you for the opportunity to [TS]

01:06:41   appear here tonight and have an [TS]

01:06:43   opportunity to share [TS]

01:06:44   I thought technology that I think many [TS]

01:06:46   of you will enjoy but not innocent dogs [TS]

01:06:48   emphatically a lot of people like to eat [TS]

01:06:50   chicken crowd goes wild [TS]

01:06:54   I read about this in a book and a recent [TS]

01:06:58   book [TS]

01:06:59   yeah i read it back meditated on the [TS]

01:07:00   internet and printed out a little for a [TS]

01:07:02   new way to cook in China can talk about [TS]

01:07:03   this this is this is the in the middle [TS]

01:07:05   of your portent I can't come out and [TS]

01:07:06   drop a chicken recipe your you tell you [TS]

01:07:08   you just said this is the problem this [TS]

01:07:10   is the problem what you're worried that [TS]

01:07:13   we're gonna lose all the great chicken [TS]

01:07:14   recipes because of the great chicken [TS]

01:07:16   because suddenly were suddenly were [TS]

01:07:18   operating on a higher level with well [TS]

01:07:19   this is special this is a special [TS]

01:07:20   edition [TS]

01:07:21   yeah i don't know if i want to sell it [TS]

01:07:22   with my chicken okay well you know the [TS]

01:07:24   thing is I want I want I want to give [TS]

01:07:26   that chicken time to first of all [TS]

01:07:28   marinate that's a good question if [TS]

01:07:31   anything I feel like it's too easy of a [TS]

01:07:33   recipe other any other questions do any [TS]

01:07:35   closing remarks today we'll talk about [TS]

01:07:37   the chicken next time but you've got [TS]

01:07:38   this is gonna I just what I guess I this [TS]

01:07:40   is a good place to to set a few things [TS]

01:07:42   straight in as much as we can which is [TS]

01:07:44   we're gonna keep doing the show that's [TS]

01:07:45   right that we we hopefully our hopefully [TS]

01:07:49   our schedule not become too erratic but [TS]

01:07:50   that's a little out of our control and [TS]

01:07:52   it would be bad overcommit that's right [TS]

01:07:54   but we're going to continue to do this [TS]

01:07:55   show because that is our commitment not [TS]

01:07:58   only to you the listener who [TS]

01:08:01   Sorry Sorry breaking the fourth wall i [TS]

01:08:02   know we don't do that our community but [TS]

01:08:06   also Marlon our commitment to one [TS]

01:08:08   another if it were not for you my friend [TS]

01:08:11   Marilyn man who I would be less of a man [TS]

01:08:16   that I am today [TS]

01:08:17   and you have you have you have made me [TS]

01:08:21   more of a you have made me more of an [TS]

01:08:23   adult [TS]

01:08:24   oh you have been the you have been the [TS]

01:08:28   little pill flavored like a turkey [TS]

01:08:30   dinner that has enabled this space [TS]

01:08:32   program to make this mission to Mars [TS]

01:08:36   success [TS]

01:08:36   oh this podcast has been the wall in [TS]

01:08:38   front of your 55 inches away from your [TS]

01:08:41   face as you go into death can hurtling [TS]

01:08:43   into space that's right [TS]

01:08:44   this podcast has been the whopper which [TS]

01:08:50   both starts a global thermonuclear war [TS]

01:08:55   uh-huh and also recognizes that the only [TS]

01:08:57   winning move is not to plant arrest [TS]

01:09:01   congratulations welcome my candidacy [TS]

01:09:04   thank you it's a whoo boy it's gonna be [TS]

01:09:07   it's gonna be fun i hope that everybody [TS]

01:09:08   follows along [TS]

01:09:09   listen a vote Roderick com who well is [TS]

01:09:15   the website vote Roderick calm down on [TS]

01:09:18   it it's going to be on the internet vote [TS]

01:09:19   Roderick calm and I mean basically my [TS]

01:09:24   expectation is that everybody listen to [TS]

01:09:25   this podcast will go there and [TS]

01:09:26   immediately donate the maximum amount of [TS]

01:09:28   money they can sure i mean i think it [TS]

01:09:30   was that saying yeah unfortunately we [TS]

01:09:32   cannot accept money from the United [TS]

01:09:34   Kingdom New Zealand Australia Germany [TS]

01:09:36   Finland or actually any country other [TS]

01:09:41   than America really got a vet that huh [TS]

01:09:43   you cannot give money to the campaign if [TS]

01:09:45   you do not live in America and I'm sorry [TS]

01:09:48   to all of our own no one problem at a [TS]

01:09:50   time John one problem at a time but if [TS]

01:09:52   you do live in America if you live say [TS]

01:09:54   for instance in Kansas City Kansas or [TS]

01:09:56   Kansas City Missouri URL City New [TS]

01:10:00   Hampshire if you live in Kansas City New [TS]

01:10:02   Hampshire i would love to get a map of [TS]

01:10:05   your town because it's what I don't have [TS]

01:10:07   in my collection but you can give money [TS]

01:10:09   to the campaign from anywhere in America [TS]

01:10:11   because of course Seattle is one of [TS]

01:10:13   America's top cities and if Seattle goes [TS]

01:10:16   so too does America go right as seattle [TS]

01:10:22   moves America moves and so it is not [TS]

01:10:26   unreasonable to think that people who [TS]

01:10:28   live elsewhere [TS]

01:10:29   want to see Seattle move move [TS]

01:10:32   wait and and so yes that is the [TS]

01:10:35   opportunity boat rod or you know i'm [TS]

01:10:37   going to say that and i'm sorry/not not [TS]

01:10:38   dot org although don't we do also have [TS]

01:10:40   dot org Roderick com Roderick com [TS]

01:10:43   anybody in the u.s. they just jump in [TS]

01:10:45   that's right in the end anything that [TS]

01:10:47   you talked about that on here [TS]

01:10:49   how do you mean i don't know i mean like [TS]

01:10:51   it's okay it's okay that's for money [TS]

01:10:53   right well i mean i know that's what the [TS]

01:10:55   best thing that we have to and and you [TS]

01:10:57   know I think there's that there is a [TS]

01:10:59   desire [TS]

01:11:01   well first of all as we said already [TS]

01:11:02   everybody on this podcast will [TS]

01:11:04   automatically give the maximum but then [TS]

01:11:06   they have to go to their friends and [TS]

01:11:08   family for in the united states in the [TS]

01:11:10   United States and say and those of you [TS]

01:11:12   live overseas who have friends and [TS]

01:11:13   family in the United States you can [TS]

01:11:15   absolutely call them and send them [TS]

01:11:16   emails believe no donor behind and and [TS]

01:11:19   ultimately to spread the word and I what [TS]

01:11:22   I'm talking about is one of these things [TS]

01:11:24   these internet things I don't want to [TS]

01:11:26   say it I don't want to curse it but to [TS]

01:11:29   spread the word where this is this [TS]

01:11:31   candidacy is recognized as representing [TS]

01:11:34   all of us [TS]

01:11:36   icymi haha [TS]

01:11:40   in case you missed it [TS]

01:11:43   ding listen I'm going to march music [TS]

01:11:47   here [TS]

01:11:47   mm okay we're marching you apparently a [TS]

01:11:51   better future moving Seattle within the [TS]

01:11:55   constraints of the election laws but mom [TS]

01:12:00   find a friend in Germany know as them to [TS]

01:12:03   tell someone in the United States ok yes [TS]

01:12:07   you know I'm just workshopping at this [TS]

01:12:08   point if you find a friend in Germany [TS]

01:12:10   and tell them to call the united states [TS]

01:12:12   that is one method collection scheisse [TS]

01:12:16   congratulations son [TS]

01:12:19   thank you thanks mer [TS]