Roderick on the Line

Ep. 128: "Arcadum"

 

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  hello I John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

  your you sound scratchy Oh see this is [TS]

  what I'm afraid of i do I sound kinda I [TS]

  like it though it's it's a it's really [TS]

  you know Susan Sarandon me i always [TS]

  think about Brenda Caro and those moves [TS]

  and the 74 lady products [TS]

  mm and she had like licking and like a [TS]

  improbably gravelly voice really is she [TS]

  okay she swallow a camel and protection [TS]

  that that uh yeah you know the seasons [TS]

  have just changed here in Seattle and [TS]

  when the seasons change is when i start [TS]

  wearing lady Hatt's because there's a [TS]

  certain kind with remember remember 11 [TS]

  kangal were all the rage [TS]

  oh yeah when when LL Cool J yeah you [TS]

  know when he loved his radio you could [TS]

  do without it and he had an angle that's [TS]

  right and back in that during that era [TS]

  early nineties i had a powder-blue [TS]

  kangal pith helmet that was made out of [TS]

  terry cloth that I just loved I loved [TS]

  that hat i just don't see that on you it [TS]

  was really it was fly [TS]

  mm and you know a particularly sense in [TS]

  every other respect I was wearing like [TS]

  like a forest colored wool like [TS]

  basically like wool pants and and and [TS]

  logging boots the fact that i was [TS]

  wearing a powder-blue kangal just what [TS]

  was the little cherry on the top brass [TS]

  so anyway I still have a lot of [TS]

  affection for that style of hat and the [TS]

  only way you can find them is in lady [TS]

  Hatt's ah the nineteen seventies style [TS]

  of kind of like bucket hat ladies meant [TS]

  for ladies made of made of wool or Terry [TS]

  and every year I say i'm gonna i don't [TS]

  care i know that these hats are our [TS]

  gender neutral i'm i'm making them and [TS]

  this is the year that I mean adjust your [TS]

  reclaiming them i'm gonna wear lady [TS]

  Hatt's all fall they're not they're not [TS]

  as good in the in the winter that's when [TS]

  you switch to your cowichan had it [TS]

  commissioned as a good winter hat but [TS]

  fall is a nice time for like for a [TS]

  bucket hat so anyway I'm wearing my lady [TS]

  bucket hat today and it looks like the [TS]

  neighborhood of a fresh new rapper lady [TS]

  bucket at and and it's on my head my [TS]

  head as soon as I walked into the cafe [TS]

  because the cafe that I go to on the way [TS]

  down here is in the industrial [TS]

  neighborhood where everybody in there is [TS]

  in car hearts and they all have like [TS]

  welding scars and I walked in my lady [TS]

  hat and you know it was like the jukebox [TS]

  stopped and everybody is that it's and I [TS]

  was just like it's supremely confident [TS]

  like no fuck you you guys this is the [TS]

  this is the way of the future and you [TS]

  know everybody goes immediately turned [TS]

  back to their whether the other things [TS]

  but uh but it may get it does it reminds [TS]

  me of sort of it that nineteen seventies [TS]

  be Arthur scratchy voice you know what [TS]

  woman in charge of our own destiny [TS]

  yes I know those women yeah we're kind [TS]

  of a FLT lucky hat maybe an adrienne [TS]

  barbeau thank you refer to a mod and [TS]

  escape from new york character you know [TS]

  what she you know what I got so much to [TS]

  talk about John crystal I think I i [TS]

  think i've told you before that I've [TS]

  started trying to rule out to get any I [TS]

  used to be like way I feel right now I [TS]

  would have said for 40 years on getting [TS]

  a cold [TS]

  except now i'm pretty sure it could be [TS]

  allergies today I get a lot of the same [TS]

  symptoms as a cold when I have allergies [TS]

  and so I have this super slow motion [TS]

  getting a cold feeling that I I'm hoping [TS]

  is just allergies cause that just goes [TS]

  away on its own [TS]

  I woke up in the middle of the night [TS]

  last night and had [TS]

  7-minute long sneezing fit so worth it i [TS]

  did I didn't although i think they did [TS]

  record it out at Mount st. Helens on [TS]

  their seismographs but i but i do feel [TS]

  like something happens and although i [TS]

  know i was trying to picture the little [TS]

  plants all releasing their spores [TS]

  according to some Q some atmospheric you [TS]

  hm like it's october something happens [TS]

  they don't they don't need to get a [TS]

  specific message from a specific [TS]

  Telegraph there's something in there [TS]

  plant DNA that just knows when these [TS]

  conditions are met [TS]

  let's torture John that's right here it [TS]

  is or or John and Merlin like all along [TS]

  the west coast like and go yeah and it's [TS]

  just like all of a sudden the air is [TS]

  full of some new pollen and you're just [TS]

  like oh no what happened I was fine [TS]

  yesterday I think also our house is a [TS]

  little sick [TS]

  it's really old you know and I don't [TS]

  think anybody's ever really liked [TS]

  cleaned out the docks and stuff like [TS]

  that [TS]

  I mean I know there's lots of toys in [TS]

  there so I sing there's dust and stuff [TS]

  too [TS]

  how many half empty cans of flat soda [TS]

  water are there like in the rap just [TS]

  like in the rafters and kind of like [TS]

  sitting on on the unfinished basement [TS]

  it's a really really good question i am [TS]

  trying to be better about that i'm [TS]

  trying to implement some work flows [TS]

  because ever since I got off the [TS]

  SodaStream for no particular reason but [TS]

  i'm on the cans and I'm going through [TS]

  about a 12 pack of cans a day and those [TS]

  really really pile out [TS]

  yeah they do especially if you don't [TS]

  finish everyone to the last drop this [TS]

  about me that you found here on your [TS]

  house maybe I one quarter of a can of [TS]

  fizzy water and then you open another [TS]

  one [TS]

  I i think it might be all the keys me [TS]

  alive I mean really seriously i drinking [TS]

  lots of water and I just don't want to [TS]

  think about what happens when I find out [TS]

  that it's not doing what i thought it [TS]

  was doing [TS]

  yeah I had two thoughts here is ok i was [TS]

  going to talk about lady product ads [TS]

  from the seventies and how much they [TS]

  they freaked me out when I didn't really [TS]

  understand them but instead i'm going to [TS]

  pivot two hats and you know you and I [TS]

  are both if I may say very fair skin em [TS]

  I mean for being as Hardy inhale and is [TS]

  headed as you are I think people who [TS]

  meet you might be surprised to know that [TS]

  you're very fair-skinned are you know [TS]

  yeah I would yeah my skin is in the is [TS]

  in the pink category railing of Ages and [TS]

  cream complexion now [TS]

  yeah it's not I there's no there's no [TS]

  all of component no no might my wife my [TS]

  wife is much more on that end of the [TS]

  spectrum like she goes out into the Sun [TS]

  for three minutes and she gets a tan [TS]

  I got inside for three minutes and have [TS]

  to be hospitalized I'm not like bubbly [TS]

  blisters and luckily my daughter is more [TS]

  in her direction so she doesn't burn as [TS]

  easily but you know this is I don't make [TS]

  this about race but you know you've got [TS]

  you've got people from Asia in [TS]

  Washington right and at me [TS]

  have you noticed like I think that [TS]

  definitely Chinese ladies I think with [TS]

  Japanese ladies like they are almost [TS]

  always wearing a hat every right [TS]

  yes I'm look at the bucket hat is the [TS]

  classic local hat but have you getting [TS]

  this there [TS]

  we're like there's a thing that started [TS]

  out as what looks like a tennis visor [TS]

  with except advisors like made out of [TS]

  sunglasses [TS]

  mhm you don't talk about where you going [TS]

  to really put on and then there's a [TS]

  polarized translucent plastic thing that [TS]

  yes [TS]

  ok yeah so I noticed i feel like i [TS]

  noticed over time that those were [TS]

  getting bigger yeah until you're all [TS]

  right so that they go from here to here [TS]

  well you know here's the thing yeah they [TS]

  got bigger and bigger because you know [TS]

  if you like a little protection let's [TS]

  try a little more protection do you get [TS]

  Chinese ladies wearing what looks like a [TS]

  welding mask now have you seen this [TS]

  you know boom imagine imagine it's kind [TS]

  of hot in like a lie but imagine like a [TS]

  65 year old woman and she's wearing what [TS]

  looks like that same kind of like a big [TS]

  piece of sunglasses [TS]

  yeah it covers her entire family over [TS]

  her face she can still breathe fine from [TS]

  what I can gather right but I think it [TS]

  must provide a surpassing level of sun [TS]

  protection [TS]

  it's part of the overall sort of blade [TS]

  runner ification of alcohol and West [TS]

  Coast cities i think you're right right [TS]

  there and i think i'm gonna say there's [TS]

  a lot of umbrellas lot a lot of these [TS]

  Chinese ladies carry umbrellas too i [TS]

  feel like there is a feel like there's [TS]

  some some kind of thing that is being [TS]

  communicated on a global scale where [TS]

  people are saying i'm going to do my [TS]

  part to make this urban dystopia extra [TS]

  trippy let it begin with me [TS]

  that's right like at it you get no one [TS]

  person can make any downtown area super [TS]

  trippy on their own right they just make [TS]

  it a little weird and awkward if you're [TS]

  standing in an intersection throwing [TS]

  rice at birds and you're the only one [TS]

  doing that like that's not going to have [TS]

  a you know if I can have an effect on [TS]

  actually creating this help because [TS]

  you're obviously just just a loon write [TS]

  it but if somebody's throwing rice at [TS]

  birds and a big guy and a wool jacket [TS]

  walks by and a lady hat and then across [TS]

  the street there's a chinese lady with [TS]

  the welding mask on you get this guy [TS]

  over here get over here quick this is [TS]

  pretty soon you are creating a blade [TS]

  runner tableau that no one person could [TS]

  have done it such a good point because [TS]

  here's the thing about blade runner [TS]

  here's the thing about any future vision [TS]

  is like we remember as people who saw it [TS]

  around the time it came out as being [TS]

  about space in spaceships and flying [TS]

  cars and so you say that's how to make [TS]

  this more blade runner you're gonna say [TS]

  maybe flying cars or maybe the void [TS]

  contest [TS]

  mhm because those people would say I [TS]

  think that I would say what kind of toss [TS]

  out a few other bullet points for you ok [TS]

  do carrying around umbrellas [TS]

  alright i'm wearing hats clear plastic [TS]

  clothing Street food right or army or [TS]

  making things out of matched [TS]

  six people people right well like like [TS]

  street vendor carts but that are [TS]

  actually practicing medicine riding [TS]

  bicycles in the dark [TS]

  there's a lot of that there's a lot of [TS]

  that there's a lot of zooming in on [TS]

  photos [TS]

  that's right guard hardcopies your [TS]

  medicine in any crowded street scene [TS]

  there are punk rockers and you get easy [TS]

  but then you also get all the way down [TS]

  to like was it like a square glass with [TS]

  giant ice cubes like he's gonna handle [TS]

  bar in Portland [TS]

  hmm i'm just saying here's what I'm [TS]

  trying to get it i'm sorry i think i [TS]

  really am literally getting sick [TS]

  it's affecting the details yes apps i [TS]

  think everybody has something to [TS]

  contribute to this just because you have [TS]

  a rocket car don't have a rocket car [TS]

  does not mean that you're not welcome [TS]

  just because your skin may not be the [TS]

  smoothest does not mean we don't have a [TS]

  role for you as a police henchmen [TS]

  that's right there are plenty of things [TS]

  that just dust all over the place i [TS]

  think everybody is bringing a little bit [TS]

  to the brig blade runner party today I [TS]

  don't think anybody could have predicted [TS]

  that that it was i'm sitting here doing [TS]

  as some kind of radio show but the key [TS]

  elements are at my desk is covered with [TS]

  guitar picks that have Jonathan Coulton [TS]

  space on them and i have an orange bell [TS]

  from the nineteen seventies the dice [TS]

  rolling is that mille bornes where's [TS]

  that from [TS]

  but that's not run Milbourne is it crew [TS]

  was the middle of yours well I should [TS]

  not see no i don't remember either but [TS]

  uh but you know it's it's the it's the [TS]

  accumulation of small like Warren to try [TS]

  this that makes any future escape look [TS]

  real and so every day I try to have at [TS]

  least one element of my on my person [TS]

  where it if it's a panning shot of a [TS]

  street scene and I'm just walking from [TS]

  one place to another [TS]

  the fact that i have like a leather bag [TS]

  with an like a visible octopus sticking [TS]

  out of it is the element that's going to [TS]

  stick in some future kids mind was like [TS]

  I saw that panning shot and it seemed [TS]

  you know and did you see the guy in the [TS]

  suit with the octopus not everybody does [TS]

  that it was dusty yeah and it's just [TS]

  like they're the first time I went to [TS]

  Morocco i was walking [TS]

  the UH the medina in Fez and a guy walks [TS]

  by me in a in a in a three-piece suit [TS]

  and he's carrying a to live chickens by [TS]

  their feet [TS]

  ok and i was like i am Here I am here [TS]

  now like I think they got that they got [TS]

  the set-dressing right yeah this is this [TS]

  I mean before that when it was like a [TS]

  bunch of guys in July ops galapas with [TS]

  the like Poland donkeys with but like [TS]

  sticks tied to the back something words [TS]

  now it's always like I mean that you [TS]

  know i'm walking through and make sure [TS]

  of course right in a foreign country [TS]

  right sure but then the guy in the three [TS]

  pieces with the two chickens will to [TS]

  live chickens by their feet I was like [TS]

  okay i miss the three-piece suit part [TS]

  that's going some three-piece suit to [TS]

  like they were business chickens it was [TS]

  he's a business guy he's coming home [TS]

  from workers going sideways the binos [TS]

  the middle of the afternoon and he's [TS]

  like oh I need to get some dinner and I [TS]

  my wife asked me to pick up a live [TS]

  chickens pick up a couple of chickens [TS]

  and he's just like and that's the thing [TS]

  he's just going about his day the rest [TS]

  of the people were were there because [TS]

  it's like oh we're setting a Moroccan [TS]

  scene so we gotta we gotta have a little [TS]

  old man with pointy shoes drawing them a [TS]

  mule through the street you're gonna [TS]

  want some carpets that are hanging on [TS]

  that's gonna run with baskets there [TS]

  should be a snake probably somewhere [TS]

  Marie meat meat is burning on spits [TS]

  whether or not it is actually culturally [TS]

  appropriate some women should be you [TS]

  lating mmm i think it might be peculiar [TS]

  to Iran and I think it all is absolutely [TS]

  relating became our vision of the middle [TS]

  east at one point [TS]

  yeah it's it was not happening in [TS]

  Morocco but that but the guy with the [TS]

  suit and the chickens [TS]

  nobody would have thought to include him [TS]

  right he just was himself and he is the [TS]

  that's the detail that makes that made [TS]

  it real and I was like I actually I'm [TS]

  here now this is not a this is not a [TS]

  Truman Show situation because no one [TS]

  would have put this guy here that's [TS]

  funny you should say that that comes up [TS]

  a lot on end up talking about that line [TS]

  and was gonna say also is like the void [TS]

  comp like I have to say the more I you I [TS]

  might put that test to people all the [TS]

  time do you have [TS]

  I mean you have a portable [TS]

  unit i carry what you know actually it's [TS]

  a nap [TS]

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  oh he was handsome in that movie a lot [TS]

  of good looking up things in that movie [TS]

  but she was my comp now I'm a terrible [TS]

  judge of character and I can't tell when [TS]

  anyone is lying including myself right [TS]

  so I'm not good at that [TS]

  if I had to face off with the with was [TS]

  the actors names Delroy Leroy was the [TS]

  guys staying at the hotel [TS]

  yeah don't really write don't quite [TS]

  Leroy fer if the first skinjob they talk [TS]

  to you I don't work pink out le roy was [TS]

  it should always need to get Leonard [TS]

  let's not look what letter the skin job [TS]

  leonard skinner talking to him yeah he's [TS]

  getting pretty hostile you don't like [TS]

  the questions okay yeah the the tester [TS]

  guy had a much bigger role originally a [TS]

  lot of stuff got cut out [TS]

  that's too bad i think that was also [TS]

  Brady's bits i think he was also maybe [TS]

  the original choice for for the Rick [TS]

  Deckard part all really ya know it's [TS]

  there's one version where you can see [TS]

  I'm in like a space iron long after he's [TS]

  gotten beaten up by Del Rey Leroy how [TS]

  many I mean I know there are already six [TS]

  versions of plate right now because it [TS]

  brings are you want there's at least [TS]

  four discrete version i think yeah [TS]

  there's the director's cut there's the [TS]

  actual director's cut [TS]

  there's good the locals addition I know [TS]

  there's at least I mean I'm going to [TS]

  begin to get into this but otherwise [TS]

  iphone iphone 3 i've owned the original [TS]

  one [TS]

  yeah I would you know with the [TS]

  voice-over the Harrison Ford really [TS]

  didn't want to do and it shows right [TS]

  because you know we starting voiceovers [TS]

  to stuff the voice overs are like our [TS]

  two dramas as laugh tracks are comedy [TS]

  you know they're there because if the [TS]

  myth material is not where it needed to [TS]

  be [TS]

  yeah but I was convinced by i was [TS]

  convinced by the voice-over the first [TS]

  time I was fine with it until i heard [TS]

  without and I was like oh like watching [TS]

  mash the left track it's like the show [TS]

  is twice as good without the left track [TS]

  but anyhow there's that version in 1999 [TS]

  probably the second DVD i ever bought [TS]

  third DVD the first DVD i was Rushmore [TS]

  second DVD i bought was the radiohead [TS]

  movie in the third one was that's a row [TS]

  picker-upper [TS]

  that's fun to watch on a plane see [TS]

  people having seizures always playing [TS]

  and then the the third one I think was [TS]

  the director's cut the runner which was [TS]

  apparently turns out not really such a [TS]

  director's cut it but it was the famous [TS]

  one you know that hinted more pointedly [TS]

  @ p @ the ultimate vision of the above [TS]

  the maestro [TS]

  yeah they started out in the unicorn [TS]

  dream and stuff like that yeah unicorn [TS]

  dream the one that i will recommend to [TS]

  listeners as far as i know the the one [TS]

  that's really good came out a couple [TS]

  years ago I believe it's called the [TS]

  final cut [TS]

  oh really which seems a little bit [TS]

  optimistic given all these things go for [TS]

  a long time my favorite pink and white [TS]

  record and Maggie but the one after i [TS]

  wasn't even look day look a cruiser with [TS]

  all hands you [TS]

  wow you think wow I should listen to [TS]

  more pink floyd i really really should i [TS]

  no like three-and-a-half 904 pink floyd [TS]

  records but it's really i know three [TS]

  full records into half records [TS]

  yeah and I should hear more i should [TS]

  hear more i think i should listen more [TS]

  animals as my sense i think that pink [TS]

  floyd was a very talented band and I [TS]

  feel that they contributed a lot to [TS]

  music and to guitar playing in [TS]

  particular but also to like dramatic [TS]

  they really they really made it safe to [TS]

  be super dramatic in your music [TS]

  yeah now that I through with that yeah [TS]

  yeah yeah well they're good for lots of [TS]

  reasons they're good because there's a [TS]

  lot of times with are really really good [TS]

  and they succeed at what they set out to [TS]

  do and they're also good at something [TS]

  that makes people so angry and provoked [TS]

  that they react to it you know which you [TS]

  know say what you will about Gary [TS]

  Glitter but you know I think it's tough [TS]

  i can make people want to make punk rock [TS]

  and that's a good thing but but uh but [TS]

  also i was watching speaking of Blade [TS]

  Runner was watching have you seen the [TS]

  documentary your oskis dune mm no this [TS]

  is a very important film i won't go into [TS]

  this too much but but basically [TS]

  alejandro jodorowsky who did these [TS]

  monkey balls films in the early [TS]

  seventies almost made doing spent [TS]

  two-and-a-half years trying to make do [TS]

  and you know I'm not [TS]

  because either seen this documentary [TS]

  three times like I have or you haven't [TS]

  seen it i won't spoil it for you but I [TS]

  think you should see it but one of the [TS]

  things he did in addition you can I just [TS]

  started a rumor mill I have never seen [TS]

  the movie dune nor have i read the book [TS]

  down [TS]

  yeah I keep dancing around it i mean [TS]

  i've seen the movie and the thing is [TS]

  it's once you watch this documentary [TS]

  doing which is already not a great movie [TS]

  it's a very interesting movie it is in [TS]

  the words of my favorite podcast the [TS]

  flophouse it's a good bad movie like [TS]

  it's it's really enjoyable even with all [TS]

  its faults and I think originally david [TS]

  lynch did Alan Smithee on it I think he [TS]

  was originally so unhappy with what the [TS]

  studio wanted in giving his resources [TS]

  stuff anyway but I'm but anyway it's [TS]

  very fascinating story and and so he [TS]

  spent two-and-a-half years on this and [TS]

  you know the none of it is if you watch [TS]

  the trailer you get all this out of the [TS]

  trailer which is basically the team that [TS]

  he put together to make dune is it [TS]

  became some of the most influential [TS]

  people in the world of sci-fi movies [TS]

  like dan o'bannon HR giger and tiger [TS]

  says that is that how you say it gave [TS]

  her a hrg share [TS]

  I I would I've always the Geiger counter [TS]

  I've never heard it pronounced I guess I [TS]

  just it's one of those words that you [TS]

  read and you just saying how you feel [TS]

  the names in this is a wrong also [TS]

  Salvador Dali WWE was going to be the [TS]

  Emperor that would've been cool [TS]

  yep keith carradine was on board for it [TS]

  and in your oski had his twelve-year-old [TS]

  son ten-year-old son twelve-year-old son [TS]

  train for two-and-a-half years in [TS]

  martial arts so that he could play [TS]

  polities anyway and that's about none of [TS]

  this happened no what happened and just [TS]

  tell not just recently [TS]

  don't tell me about my watch the [TS]

  documentary like documentaries like it [TS]

  though I think you like it's about a guy [TS]

  who's incredibly passionate about [TS]

  changing the world but can't get shit [TS]

  done [TS]

  wow I mean actually erase that is a [TS]

  little close to home on 1o0 know [TS]

  I you sound dusky you do you do I like [TS]

  it though it it makes me feel like you [TS]

  know anything that humanizes you a [TS]

  little bit Merlin and takes you out of [TS]

  the realm of the of the Gods fear right [TS]

  you know like it just quit [TS]

  I think I speak on behalf of all of your [TS]

  fans when I say thank you [TS]

  we just put you up yeah up there in [TS]

  Valhalla it's complicated because i only [TS]

  I i have haha haha haha alike i think [TS]

  not across anything it's like when he [TS]

  starts to get by having a tongue in your [TS]

  mouth while you're eating then you can't [TS]

  swallow you know same thing don't think [TS]

  you're telling someone else's stone [TS]

  never thought that don't start to give [TS]

  out your time i'm not gonna start now [TS]

  you don't know it's too late to start [TS]

  now [TS]

  yeah I think I definitely belong in a [TS]

  certain pantheon but it's nice to see me [TS]

  taking down a peg sometimes yeah I [TS]

  really is sometimes you know the [TS]

  homeland man it's got a little bit of a [TS]

  dusky voice it feels like he's just like [TS]

  us just a man i can get sick marinate it [TS]

  puts his utility kilt on one opening at [TS]

  a time i have been thinking a lot lately [TS]

  about I know that this is you know I [TS]

  don't like to i don't like to break the [TS]

  fourth wall and I'm not gonna do it now [TS]

  but I've been thinking a lot lately [TS]

  about supertrain oh ok and I feel like a [TS]

  I feel like it's some guy I feel like we [TS]

  have a week we have not fleshed out the [TS]

  that the interim processes processes [TS]

  between now and super training right [TS]

  people [TS]

  people are people are leaping leaping to [TS]

  super train and you can't leap to [TS]

  supertrain you have to it's a ladder [TS]

  right yeah uh I i suppose i mean i think [TS]

  i think it's gonna be one of those [TS]

  things where it's like hockey stick [TS]

  curve right where there's gonna be some [TS]

  build-up you don't notice for years and [TS]

  by the time you're aware of what's going [TS]

  on there's going to be a big fucking [TS]

  train going by and we'll see it's late [TS]

  but what happens on the hockey stick [TS]

  yes that's exactly right and and this is [TS]

  and this is the thing like you start to [TS]

  see you start see welding helmet says as [TS]

  fashion accessories at being pioneered a [TS]

  sudden lots of men and cafes are wearing [TS]

  terrycloth tangles [TS]

  uh-huh and you're just like what's going [TS]

  on what is happening around me I'm at [TS]

  but it's all you know it's all of a [TS]

  piece and you know you know about me [TS]

  that I'm always trying to solve the [TS]

  homeless problem i'm always i'm always [TS]

  trying to revolutionize our mental [TS]

  health programs you know I'm just I'm [TS]

  trying to make I'm trying to make the [TS]

  world a better place if you're always [TS]

  you're trying to connect people that's [TS]

  right you're trying to help people [TS]

  understand the importance of living [TS]

  freely in a world of ideas [TS]

  that's right that's right i'm trying to [TS]

  say you're trying to help the homeless [TS]

  problem that sounds good from the [TS]

  sometimes I'm trying to I'm trying to [TS]

  make up you know pre-k music education [TS]

  more equitable on from a social justice [TS]

  standpoint but really I'm trying to [TS]

  solve the homeless problem and I'm [TS]

  trying to you know and I'm trying to [TS]

  solve the the the mental health problem [TS]

  but that's endemic in America right the [TS]

  it's the it's the fallout from one flew [TS]

  over the cuckoo's nest we closed we [TS]

  closed all the asylums because we didn't [TS]

  like nurse ratchet and now uh now [TS]

  they're the streets are are crawling [TS]

  with people who need more help than [TS]

  they're getting and all were doing is [TS]

  putting band-aids on it we can't solve [TS]

  the we can't solve the problem because [TS]

  we have disempowered ourselves [TS]

  yeah you know what I'm saying yeah I [TS]

  think you you live in san francisco i do [TS]

  you know what I'm saying yeah yeah most [TS]

  of the most of the band aids are donated [TS]

  remember low on literally poop [TS]

  everywhere in a man who stands in the [TS]

  street throwing rice at Birds [TS]

  yeah it is it's his current today's [TS]

  headlines if you try to put a bandaid on [TS]

  on that guy you're gonna get a face full [TS]

  of fucking rice we're going to face full [TS]

  of rice and then somebody's gonna then [TS]

  you know you're not going to fill out [TS]

  the right forms and you know it's going [TS]

  to end up being here you're going to end [TS]

  up being subpoenaed not like I throwing [TS]

  rice at the birds [TS]

  yeah oh oh I see I going i try to help i [TS]

  lend a helping hand and pretty soon I'm [TS]

  the one is being tried to down a [TS]

  district court because i forgot to fill [TS]

  out there [TS]

  that's right that's right you can't just [TS]

  go helping people freelance that'll [TS]

  teach me [TS]

  that'll teach you so what are you [TS]

  thinking about what's the interim well [TS]

  you know I've always been a proponent of [TS]

  so and we just legalized marijuana here [TS]

  in Seattle and it feels like we're sort [TS]

  of tottering down this row of this road [TS]

  where there there were certain [TS]

  neighborhoods there's a neighborhood [TS]

  that I drive-through on the way home [TS]

  that had already appointed itself the [TS]

  medical marijuana neighborhood because [TS]

  we we pass the medical marijuana law [TS]

  several years ago and those dispensaries [TS]

  were you know you had to have a card or [TS]

  something he had to claim that you had [TS]

  glaucoma whatever fuck and then you [TS]

  could go into these little like like [TS]

  dispensaries that that had green crosses [TS]

  that looked like European pharmacies and [TS]

  you can get your pot in there but it was [TS]

  all still like obviously became like a [TS]

  like what like a cross between like a [TS]

  government office a methadone clinic in [TS]

  a dive bar [TS]

  yeah we're like you can just go in there [TS]

  and going you know and hey you know dr. [TS]

  Nicki this note you know give me my [TS]

  matanuska thunderfuck right at but those [TS]

  but the log that just legalized pot in [TS]

  Washington had all these caveat like it [TS]

  couldn't be within 15 miles of a school [TS]

  and it couldn't be within a hundred and [TS]

  fifty miles of a church or something [TS]

  like that and so so somebody made a map [TS]

  where they you know they drew they drew [TS]

  circles around all the schools and all [TS]

  the places that you weren't allowed to [TS]

  have a pot dispensary close to and the [TS]

  circles all overlap so there were only [TS]

  like four tiny little places in the city [TS]

  where you could even it we can remotely [TS]

  build up a pot store and like two of [TS]

  them were at the bottom of a of an iron [TS]

  smelter and one of them was in the [TS]

  middle of the bay and so so we've got [TS]

  these two these neighborhoods that were [TS]

  like we're pot dispensary neighborhoods [TS]

  and those places still exist and seem to [TS]

  be doing a thriving business [TS]

  but now we're opening pot legal pot [TS]

  stores where it's just any guy can go in [TS]

  and get some pot but of course that the [TS]

  one there one on Capitol Hill that just [TS]

  opened was at turns out next door to a [TS]

  church next door to a church with a very [TS]

  vocal minister who is having big [TS]

  demonstrations in the street that he [TS]

  doesn't want why did they put the pot [TS]

  store next to our church and answer in [TS]

  the internet his estimation because they [TS]

  are a black church right and the city [TS]

  doesn't give a give a could give a hoot [TS]

  and he's like why wouldn't you put this [TS]

  wouldn't put this pot store next to be [TS]

  episcopal church and in that sense he is [TS]

  very right they would not do that but it [TS]

  makes me feel like we're trying to we're [TS]

  trying to accomplish a kind of a kind of [TS]

  distribution of like low levels sin that [TS]

  I really feel like would be would be [TS]

  better for everybody and more exciting [TS]

  certainly if we just concentrated it in [TS]

  sin cities like a cross between like a [TS]

  strip mall in a stadium or you can you [TS]

  get high and buy guns and poor and stuff [TS]

  but I feel like I feel like an ass in [TS]

  concentration I ass in concentration [TS]

  let's say but but let's let's not call [TS]

  it a spin concentration camp now that be [TS]

  too far but like so so we used to have [TS]

  las vegas where a normal person could go [TS]

  and it and it seemed like the kind of [TS]

  rules were suspended there and it wasn't [TS]

  you didn't have to be rich to go there [TS]

  you could just be a smile and go to Las [TS]

  Vegas and it was any and it was dirty in [TS]

  the in the right ways and you could get [TS]

  your like you could get your dirty times [TS]

  on right but Las Vegas realized that if [TS]

  they didn't ified themselves that make [TS]

  it bring families there and it and so [TS]

  they cleaned up Las Vegas and they made [TS]

  the dirty you know they they they put a [TS]

  cap on how dirty they would let it be [TS]

  like if you want that stuff go downtown [TS]

  if you want to be on the main part of [TS]

  the strip like you've got a really buck [TS]

  up like they are cleaning up the streets [TS]

  the cops are there and they're saying [TS]

  like they were going to bring in more [TS]

  money if we if we make this like pirates [TS]

  of the caribbean exactly and then what [TS]

  they've also done then is they've raised [TS]

  the threshold of dirty so that now [TS]

  vaguely dirty stuff mainly gambling and [TS]

  drinking and sin and whatever is like [TS]

  considered a family activity but as long [TS]

  as it's just as long as it doesn't go [TS]

  all the way over into like total vice [TS]

  right so vegas has compressed the [TS]

  spectrum of like allowable dirty and [TS]

  that's true kind of in in meatspace all [TS]

  around here it's like they've social [TS]

  engineered sin right save like they've [TS]

  done some kind of like compressor [TS]

  limiter where you know you may not be [TS]

  able to go out and get like a Peruvian [TS]

  dwarf delivered but right if you want to [TS]

  go out and let you could bring your kids [TS]

  to like a place where he plays an elf [TS]

  right right sure or you know he plays an [TS]

  elf while Dad is a while Dad is playing [TS]

  the slots and mom and smoking cigarettes [TS]

  and drinking unlimited watered-down [TS]

  drinks and so it's not it's not nice [TS]

  there but it's it's it's not enough that [TS]

  each did that and I think that is [TS]

  driving us you know I I look across the [TS]

  street at my neighbor's Skeeter and and [TS]

  the head [TS]

  vandura or whatever and I'm like these [TS]

  guys are chronic alcoholics all they [TS]

  want to do is drink and they and the [TS]

  city is full of them and are only [TS]

  response to people like that is either [TS]

  to try and get them help which they [TS]

  don't which they don't want or lock them [TS]

  up when they when they commit a crime [TS]

  but wait for them to commit a crime and [TS]

  then we lock him up and what they really [TS]

  want is just to be in a place where [TS]

  honestly we're drinking all a is [TS]

  considered kind of normal and big and [TS]

  they can they can stretch you see this [TS]

  is public servants well you know they [TS]

  construct a kind of mini world for each [TS]

  other they glom onto each other words [TS]

  like I like to drink all day so do you [TS]

  we're not weirdos like it's not I mean [TS]

  it's not the best thing but it's not the [TS]

  worst you want to concentrate things [TS]

  like substance abuse is such an ugly [TS]

  word but being able to be fucked up all [TS]

  day but that's ok in this neighborhood [TS]

  maybe the house is a little bit less [TS]

  expensive i think what you're describing [TS]

  is a ghetto well but here's the thing if [TS]

  someone's gonna elevate it if you make [TS]

  it if you if you get it out of town [TS]

  right he go out to one of those farm [TS]

  towns where all the kids graduated from [TS]

  high school and got the fuck out of [TS]

  there because the farming had been [TS]

  recognized there were no jobs left who [TS]

  and dad was like don't leave you know [TS]

  who's going to fix the tractor and the [TS]

  kids like bye dad I'm going to hollywood [TS]

  to be a fucking dancer or whatever and [TS]

  so you got these great little towns that [TS]

  have 50 square miles of nothing around [TS]

  them low occupancy lots of places you [TS]

  can move into that's right pick a place [TS]

  like that and say alright it's a it's [TS]

  kind of a kind of a but free free zone a [TS]

  little bit of a border town and you [TS]

  combine a kind of burning man aspect to [TS]

  it where it's like this is going to be [TS]

  more or less a self-governing place and [TS]

  there's gonna be a lot of economic [TS]

  opportunity here because seriously under [TS]

  the under the stewardship of Mayor [TS]

  Skeeter right because cigarettes are [TS]

  going to be cheap here only around yeah [TS]

  you know and we're going to we're going [TS]

  to apply a little bit of the like [TS]

  independent nation status of Indian [TS]

  reservations to this place and we're [TS]

  going to give a look at a certain amount [TS]

  of autonomy to everything that happens [TS]

  within this 50-mile radius of course you [TS]

  there still [TS]

  you know it's still going to be under [TS]

  federal auspices to dissent in the sense [TS]

  that you can't murder somebody there [TS]

  button but more or less it's going to be [TS]

  it's going to be like a spaceport border [TS]

  town like a deliberate Deadwood a [TS]

  deliberate Deadwood it's a kind of it [TS]

  takes a certain kind of pioneer spirit [TS]

  do you could go off the grid a little [TS]

  bit there's still the grid you know it's [TS]

  going to need ways to like you know [TS]

  recharge their vaping pens don't know [TS]

  absolutely i mean it's still it's a it [TS]

  is a muscle is a modern society in most [TS]

  most senses [TS]

  it's a modern society and and and a and [TS]

  you know like normal rules apply in the [TS]

  sense that you will be able to buy and [TS]

  sell property you will be your credit [TS]

  card will work there although there may [TS]

  be a certain amount there might there [TS]

  may have to be a certain amount of [TS]

  special currency [TS]

  yeah where you have a reservation script [TS]

  yeah where you buy you buy it up at the [TS]

  company store script but you know we're [TS]

  so fascinated by Deadwood and Game of [TS]

  Thrones where we are voyeuristically [TS]

  watching societies where there there's [TS]

  there's more freedom simply because [TS]

  there's less institutional control we [TS]

  watch these TV shows and were like oh [TS]

  wow you know there's the they appeal to [TS]

  us in part because we are romanticizing [TS]

  a time when like shit was running in the [TS]

  in the gutters right right where [TS]

  romantic mean the thing that universe [TS]

  when you're watching Game of Thrones the [TS]

  thing that you never realize is that [TS]

  those Nights Watch guys smell like shit [TS]

  right everybody in that show would smell [TS]

  like shit and we're watching we're just [TS]

  like this just why is this so appealing [TS]

  to me and it's appealing because people [TS]

  are living by much more basic rules and [TS]

  Al's it definitely seems simpler not [TS]

  just in like some kind of like Amish [TS]

  sense but in the sense it's less [TS]

  complicated but I think when people [TS]

  fantasize being in those things as with [TS]

  people like Ren Faires or whatever not [TS]

  run fares but you know I don't know much [TS]

  about the Larkin community but like I [TS]

  wonder how many people like wanna be bad [TS]

  boy [TS]

  it must be I want to be the king and [TS]

  have the turkey leg [TS]

  I you know I think a lot of I think [TS]

  there's there's there's a lot of appeal [TS]

  to being just a just a wench you know [TS]

  what I mean simply topics simpler times [TS]

  because business when shaming well and [TS]

  you also have no responsibilities and [TS]

  that's what Skeeter is looking for [TS]

  that's what so many people in the city [TS]

  are looking for and they want to have no [TS]

  responsibilities and we're already as a [TS]

  society spending tens hundreds of [TS]

  millions of dollars sending sending out [TS]

  the paramedics every 10 days when [TS]

  Skeeter thinks he's having a heart [TS]

  attack and we are you pouring money into [TS]

  social services and these guys are kind [TS]

  of you know they're on parole for their [TS]

  pot bust and so they have to come in [TS]

  every ten days and doing your analysis [TS]

  test all right you got to go to the the [TS]

  parole officer you gotta pay for the [TS]

  ankle thing like a lot of cost to [TS]

  society a ton of cost to society where [TS]

  we're not going to see one of those [TS]

  ankle monitors on Game of Thrones thanks [TS]

  oh no you either have ankle chains and [TS]

  you're in a dungeon you're looking at a [TS]

  foot and somebody's playing you or your [TS]

  running free covered with shit yeah [TS]

  which is how we're meant to be and I [TS]

  just I feel like if there was a way that [TS]

  we could just reinvention it a little [TS]

  bit where we say we're spending these [TS]

  resources already and so on behalf of [TS]

  Society we're going to open ass in town [TS]

  in every state every state we already [TS]

  have a we already have a state prison in [TS]

  every state [TS]

  let's open a states in town where it's [TS]

  subsidized like housing is subsidized [TS]

  for for certain you know certain [TS]

  percentage of the people and it's just a [TS]

  place where you can go and kind of stay [TS]

  fucked up if you want and you can go and [TS]

  just you know the normal rules don't [TS]

  apply the expectation the decorum rules [TS]

  are different [TS]

  and you just get to go be your your your [TS]

  dirty dog you get to be a mud duck there [TS]

  and people there will be people that go [TS]

  there on the weekend but there will be [TS]

  people that choose to live there and [TS]

  it's not it's not a situation where you [TS]

  were bussing people there it's just a [TS]

  situation where it's like hey guess what [TS]

  over there like outside of soap lake now [TS]

  in Washington there's a town where you [TS]

  can do whatever the fuck you want it [TS]

  combines so many elements of classic [TS]

  American history and society I mean it's [TS]

  a little bit like Pleasure Island from [TS]

  the nokia oh it's just be honest it's a [TS]

  little bit like a jail [TS]

  it's kind of like a ghetto I'm sort of [TS]

  like an enforced Las Vegas what it is [TS]

  it's up it's a frontier [TS]

  mmm frontier it is a it is an artificial [TS]

  frontier because we have run out of [TS]

  frontiers now you're talking [TS]

  alright official frontier I guess what [TS]

  you guys we found a new frontier that's [TS]

  why we should totally live there on the [TS]

  new frontier when they play a lot of [TS]

  Donald thing and still can't hear you [TS]

  kidding me of course they will you'll be [TS]

  playing Donald Fagen everywhere at least [TS]

  a bus ride there but you know like when [TS]

  I when I think about going to Burning [TS]

  Man which I every year think about for [TS]

  one and a half minutes but the appeal of [TS]

  going to burning man is like right these [TS]

  are utopians and they have created a [TS]

  frontier like society and it's a new [TS]

  frontier right it's not there the the [TS]

  it's it is a kind of anything goes with [TS]

  an eye to the future and I know that the [TS]

  people that run burning man and think [TS]

  about burning man and a part of that [TS]

  culture are trying to imagine a way to [TS]

  make a burning man town they wanted [TS]

  desperately [TS]

  oh I see what you're saying like the [TS]

  people that are running burning man i [TS]

  know for a fact are driving through [TS]

  Winnemucca Nevada and thinking how hard [TS]

  I can't be like this all the time right [TS]

  how hard would it be if we just came in [TS]

  to winnemucca and just took it over [TS]

  like the people that are in winnemucca [TS]

  right now are gonna be like the are [TS]

  going to be like the the Lumberjacks and [TS]

  the autoworkers in the eighties and then [TS]

  be like wait a minute you can't just [TS]

  never there will be like the [TS]

  Palestinians probably you can't just [TS]

  come in here and take our land and so in [TS]

  this book and then the women's will be [TS]

  like this is the land that our [TS]

  forefathers gave us and there will be an [TS]

  amazing [TS]

  there'll be a little will be an amazing [TS]

  little intractable a war nobody said it [TS]

  was gonna be easy to move out to the new [TS]

  frontier huh [TS]

  but that's you know they the burning man [TS]

  people are they are really i swear i [TS]

  feel it in the I feel it vibrating in [TS]

  the air they want to now build a [TS]

  civilization and really every state [TS]

  should have one right the thing the [TS]

  thing is that with the one of the many [TS]

  ways that burning man is like Las Vegas [TS]

  is you get to look forward to going you [TS]

  get to be this of certain version of [TS]

  yourself that you're kind of excited [TS]

  about for a while and then you get to [TS]

  leave one thing i love nothing makes me [TS]

  happier than driving to the airport in [TS]

  Las Vegas because i'm so fucking I'm and [TS]

  told us before like I like for the first [TS]

  hour i'm in Las Vegas like it's the best [TS]

  thing I've ever done in my life [TS]

  the first night they're pretty fun but [TS]

  after like maybe two and a half days I'm [TS]

  really ready to leave [TS]

  I can't stand las vegas i cant when I [TS]

  see the lights of Las Vegas leaving in [TS]

  the distance I my heart starts to be [TS]

  faster and I'm just like please please [TS]

  God let me get through this town without [TS]

  starting smoking against oh god it's [TS]

  like the civic version of a vagina [TS]

  dentata its just sitting there waiting [TS]

  for you [TS]

  we were there by my daughter's first [TS]

  birthday we had that we had to go [TS]

  through a smoky casino to get to our [TS]

  room and remember that this doesn't seem [TS]

  wholesome bellagio it's a nice place you [TS]

  got to go through the casino to get to [TS]

  the hotel griffou of course it was [TS]

  impossible you can't see any signs [TS]

  there's no clocks it's very dark [TS]

  everybody's wearing a wearing fucking [TS]

  cut off and taking a giant cups m4 [TS]

  slight but I'm but you and I are the [TS]

  type of people who would go to our our [TS]

  state's in city our frontier town if you [TS]

  will [TS]

  we would go there for a weekend and that [TS]

  would be like [TS]

  I'm not sure but it's okay to just stop [TS]

  in for or maybe you know I would be open [TS]

  i don't know if they have anything that [TS]

  I can share with them any wisdom but I [TS]

  would be very happy to go in and and be [TS]

  some kind of an adjunct professor in [TS]

  pioneertown what's called new frontier [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah whatever man that you [TS]

  know each state could name their own [TS]

  frontier technically regional like a [TS]

  sports ball team but you know you think [TS]

  about all the people like I have been [TS]

  over the years radicalized in terms of [TS]

  being an advocate for sex workers right [TS]

  you you meet enough people you know [TS]

  that's good for you [TS]

  well you know I mean I look grew up on [TS]

  Capitol Hill here where a lot of the [TS]

  people I knew and some of the people [TS]

  that I was in relationships with were [TS]

  also in the sex trades and and hearing [TS]

  them talk about it i mean it's it's [TS]

  obviously very complicated and everybody [TS]

  has their own path through it [TS]

  mr. Riley not very sympathetic well [TS]

  because there are because the people who [TS]

  want to live in virtue city cannot even [TS]

  abide the idea that it's happening [TS]

  somewhere anywhere in the world right on [TS]

  my backyard and so I mean so sin city [TS]

  would not just be a place where people [TS]

  would go and be chronic alcoholics it [TS]

  would be a place where all kinds of [TS]

  commerce was happening that the city of [TS]

  seattle for years and years said you [TS]

  cannot have a titty bar that also serves [TS]

  alcohol if you're going to have dancing [TS]

  I remember that you have to drink pepsi [TS]

  cola had to buy like a twenty-dollar [TS]

  pepsi we have to buy twenty-dollar pepsi [TS]

  and then you know and and it's just like [TS]

  coming from Alaska of course where [TS]

  alcohol and naked dancing was maybe the [TS]

  after oral and fish maybe the third [TS]

  biggest economic driver that's [TS]

  unfortunate [TS]

  that's right oil fish air but you know [TS]

  in Seattle this was a way to try and [TS]

  keep our neighborhood safe or whatever [TS]

  and it's just like come on e here you're [TS]

  here nanny stating yourself into a [TS]

  situation where we're just here rich is [TS]

  being ridiculous and so anyway sin city [TS]

  since ye pioneer [TS]

  town just don't do it over the mountains [TS]

  so just over there just for the right [TS]

  way just a little bit like a landfill [TS]

  though right you want to far enough away [TS]

  that you can't like you have to deal [TS]

  with it and smell it [TS]

  well but and that works that works for [TS]

  both parties right yes finally we're [TS]

  getting buff or they get a buffer from [TS]

  the normals right it's not gonna be [TS]

  popping in to make sure you don't have [TS]

  bedbugs [TS]

  yeah and you can somewhat control access [TS]

  by virtue of it just being a little bit [TS]

  off the beaten path you you could [TS]

  protect the citizens by having like a [TS]

  wall around it may be a giant wall [TS]

  yeah maybe he's a giant wall with we [TS]

  have some delightful searchlights [TS]

  searchlights and bway that families [TS]

  could share housing Emily got lots to [TS]

  recommend it haha him and then a bit but [TS]

  the the adjunct to that who is that [TS]

  every town should have for every state i [TS]

  think should have a kind of arcada where [TS]

  I don't think I know what that is [TS]

  um garden turn arcadia I guess there's [TS]

  an eye on that word [TS]

  it's ok i like arcade is a great name [TS]

  for the community arcade is pretty nice [TS]

  but I want without any one of them would [TS]

  be in arcadium i think i'm talking about [TS]

  a place maybe that was a former convent [TS]

  or perhaps even a former mental [TS]

  institution hot that is now repurposed [TS]

  as a mental institution a place on adult [TS]

  conversations with some rolling hills a [TS]

  calm resp aight where people who are [TS]

  troubled can go live and be under a [TS]

  doctor's care [TS]

  I can't believe no one's ever thought of [TS]

  these books right right well it's kind [TS]

  of a novel idea that's a very modern [TS]

  take on an old problem [TS]

  yeah at a place where people who are [TS]

  struggling to live amongst other people [TS]

  who can go have a have a break that's [TS]

  coming college from the stresses of [TS]

  that's right from the stresses of modern [TS]

  life and and benefit from all the new [TS]

  developments that we [TS]

  made in psychopharmacology John there's [TS]

  so many expectations from other people [TS]

  you don't get to pick other people's [TS]

  expectations and that's the problem with [TS]

  the expectation town it's a place where [TS]

  nobody expects you to fucking exactly [TS]

  this is and and I feel like there's some [TS]

  kind of of like Quaker Protestant idea [TS]

  that runs through America where we [TS]

  expect everybody to fucking do something [TS]

  and there are some people that we should [TS]

  just not expect anything okay [TS]

  they get to go live in arcadium kalyan [TS]

  where where is my chair [TS]

  yeah have not made a chair father up not [TS]

  going to arcadium why is that there's a [TS]

  hole in the bucket [TS]

  fuck you haha i got a thought technology [TS]

  on this and this is this is where super [TS]

  old fashioned Midwestern Merlin comes [TS]

  out but yeah she's a thing it's like a [TS]

  high-level imagine Berlin what is straw [TS]

  hat is gonna happen whether overalls [TS]

  with one strap hanging and time was make [TS]

  a living in institutions to shalour e [TS]

  that's the only place in which a person [TS]

  could legitimately be named Merlin what [TS]

  you are what you gonna name your boy [TS]

  killed me don't make no chairs up [TS]

  thinking Merlin hears nothing I i have [TS]

  to say i'm very interested with one of [TS]

  the civic ideas then on the face of it [TS]

  100% makes sense but i'm not sure stands [TS]

  to reason and that's what you're [TS]

  describing here which is let's call it [TS]

  the radius problem [TS]

  ok so like for example if you're a [TS]

  registered sex offender in california [TS]

  which for which you can be on that list [TS]

  you know this do you know you can be [TS]

  registered sex offender if you were [TS]

  convicted of public urination wall [TS]

  really it's a thing yeah what are you [TS]

  going to maps and find out a registered [TS]

  sex offender in California again is [TS]

  George Michael a registered sex offender [TS]

  in california i think i'm not a jurist [TS]

  but i'm pretty sure they just went ahead [TS]

  and put them on the list everywhere just [TS]

  as a precaution i think they have a [TS]

  basic kind of filler list [TS]

  whenever they're starting up a program [TS]

  like that i don't know this is Megan's [TS]

  Law thing here is almost say about this [TS]

  is that you can go and like look at a [TS]

  map now in a neighborhood and find out [TS]

  where with pictures and addresses like [TS]

  we're registered [TS]

  sex offenders live and I think in this [TS]

  way you're describing may be the perfect [TS]

  place to start with this example but [TS]

  you're not allowed to live within so [TS]

  many feet of a school with a so many [TS]

  feet you in this case you're saying okay [TS]

  you can have this funny bunny pot [TS]

  dispensary like that can't be too near [TS]

  at church camp me what about guns can [TS]

  buy guys oh no you can have a gun deck [TS]

  have guns that are too near school you [TS]

  can I don't and so on and so forth [TS]

  there's all kinds of things like this [TS]

  liquor stores all of those different [TS]

  things and I don't have an answer to [TS]

  this but but we'll go to my mind is like [TS]

  um I think almost anything [TS]

  excluding the part people who have to [TS]

  find some place to live but like you [TS]

  know for all of those things like the [TS]

  idea that like there's some places where [TS]

  it's ok for these things easier is the [TS]

  problem there's either a problem with [TS]

  the idea the church's can't shouldn't [TS]

  what is the problem of churches having [TS]

  guns nearby if we like guns as a society [TS]

  why the fuck can't we be selling them [TS]

  everywhere if we like pot why can't we [TS]

  ever i think it's very indicative of [TS]

  something that is a real on the bubble [TS]

  kind of issue right it's not something [TS]

  that's going to be illegal but it's not [TS]

  something that's super legal it's not [TS]

  something you can just do everywhere and [TS]

  i think it's interesting when you look [TS]

  at whether that's that's titty bars or [TS]

  gambling or any of that stuff it's [TS]

  interesting to me how you decide to [TS]

  parse what's allowed to be near that and [TS]

  maybe there are new angles here maybe we [TS]

  can find out the church people actually [TS]

  super into guns but they don't want the [TS]

  pot maybe you could do something like [TS]

  carbon offset credits where you can move [TS]

  your things someplace else you can do a [TS]

  trade with one of the other [TS]

  neighborhoods [TS]

  I'm not saying we shouldn't do [TS]

  frontierville but i think it's very [TS]

  interesting to go like well you know [TS]

  there's some stuff that like almost [TS]

  nobody wants in their backyard and maybe [TS]

  that's when your backyard really [TS]

  literally becomes arcadium and all we [TS]

  have the gun stores in the city bars and [TS]

  you just go out there on kind of like a [TS]

  chartered bus but i'm very interested in [TS]

  anything with a radius because to me [TS]

  that shows ambivalence about whether [TS]

  it's a good idea at all well and I think [TS]

  lots [TS]

  no I think you have think you hit the [TS]

  nail on the head that if you surveyed [TS]

  the entire population of any size city [TS]

  you would find that the number of [TS]

  behaviors that passed muster with every [TS]

  single person were incredibly small [TS]

  because they're going to be people in [TS]

  one part of town who think that [TS]

  discipline your kid [TS]

  with the ruler is an essential part of [TS]

  the the way that you conduct business [TS]

  and they're like that's a complicated [TS]

  Venn diagram like what are the three [TS]

  things that everybody thinks should be [TS]

  legal all the time everywhere [TS]

  yeah there are people who are there are [TS]

  people who take their shoes off on the [TS]

  bus there are people who think people [TS]

  who take their shoes off on the bus [TS]

  should be in jail [TS]

  there are people that talk on the phone [TS]

  in restaurants there are people who [TS]

  think that those people should be in [TS]

  jail and when you when you get down to [TS]

  the to the nitty-gritty of what we all [TS]

  agree on [TS]

  it's like beats the shit out of me [TS]

  frankly I mean there's always somebody [TS]

  in any situation who is offended and [TS]

  these big picture things like drinking [TS]

  guns sex or whatever I mean they are [TS]

  their polarizing drugs something sexy [TS]

  for money whether it's pornography or [TS]

  Handy's or whatever [TS]

  what are the other kinds of things well [TS]

  I mean most American cities i don't know [TS]

  if you've ever been to UM to anywhere in [TS]

  Oklahoma now but you go to these towns [TS]

  in Oklahoma and there are six hundred [TS]

  churches starting you know starting back [TS]

  in 1910 they were building churches [TS]

  everywhere church it a denomination has [TS]

  25 different venues you could it would [TS]

  you just within the just with the center [TS]

  of town you know and that is a that is [TS]

  that was a very like aggressive effort [TS]

  to build the physical plant of this [TS]

  place and say like this is churchtown [TS]

  and yeah there's not going to be room [TS]

  for bars here you can't just you can't [TS]

  drive down the street without seeing a [TS]

  church everywhere you look and that is [TS]

  going to be our method of keeping [TS]

  everybody on the straight and narrow [TS]

  right keep going keep driving you stop [TS]

  right here but there are you know there [TS]

  are other towns uh you know that that [TS]

  the that the one in in Iowa that Harvey [TS]

  danger ended their their last great tour [TS]

  in where it was just liquor stores and [TS]

  titty bars [TS]

  and across the river the town was all [TS]

  churches they were way ahead of the [TS]

  curve on this so that yet so the two [TS]

  towns like you know had this at this [TS]

  back and forth like churches bars liquor [TS]

  stores and I mean we're always playing [TS]

  were always playing these games with [TS]

  ourselves but the solution always seems [TS]

  to be that we compress in a las [TS]

  vegas-style we can we can we use a [TS]

  compressor limiter on what we think is [TS]

  allowed and then that is that's the way [TS]

  that we're going to find peace with each [TS]

  other where we're going to let we're [TS]

  going to let everything get a little bit [TS]

  dirty to appease the people who want to [TS]

  just live how they want to live but [TS]

  we're going to put a limit on how dirty [TS]

  they can be to appease the people who [TS]

  think that none of us should be able to [TS]

  get away with anything and it's not [TS]

  working but it's not actually creating a [TS]

  city where people feel like we have [TS]

  shared values you know why because it's [TS]

  almost like don't ask don't tell which [TS]

  to somebody seem like a really good idea [TS]

  in the 90s but really it's really [TS]

  unsatisfying to everyone involved [TS]

  because what you're describing it in Las [TS]

  Vegas is like you can get away with some [TS]

  stuff here but we want to make sure [TS]

  nobody who doesn't want to see it sees [TS]

  it like there should not be obvious like [TS]

  sex worker people you know walking [TS]

  around here there shouldn't be people [TS]

  hanging out on the streets because they [TS]

  blew all our money on gambling like this [TS]

  has to look above board right so if you [TS]

  can do that thanks years at the Bellagio [TS]

  and say hey my daughter's turning one I [TS]

  want to show her a good time [TS]

  it's not like i'm really into a lady's [TS]

  that dress like elephants you've got any [TS]

  of those you gotta do something like [TS]

  that your rolodex and he says mmm [TS]

  well I'm gonna get Jumbo's the idea the [TS]

  idea that was a put you know put out [TS]

  there in the nineties by the by the [TS]

  Aryan Nations that somewhere in North [TS]

  Idaho they wanted to construct a white [TS]

  homeland and it was so disgusting to us [TS]

  as a culture these guys that were up [TS]

  there trying to create a white homeland [TS]

  in North Idaho that we we really devoted [TS]

  a lot of resources in terms of FBI and [TS]

  just culturally you know they took up a [TS]

  lot of bandwidth for a couple dollars [TS]

  the kind of like the people who became [TS]

  the kind of weather was the phrase they [TS]

  used to use the compound people like [TS]

  that exactly right that will work on a [TS]

  branch davidian kind of feeling and the [TS]

  the hayden lake a white supremacist [TS]

  gangs and we really really busted those [TS]

  people down and in some cases like [TS]

  burned their compounds and killed them [TS]

  by the hundred thanks Janet me now [TS]

  because because you know we have these [TS]

  echoes of the Confederacy or whatever [TS]

  you're not allowed to [TS]

  you're not allowed to secede from the [TS]

  United States but there is this [TS]

  tremendous desire for for their to still [TS]

  be a frontier like that's really in our [TS]

  DNA we want to be able to go out to the [TS]

  edge of town and do whatever the fuck we [TS]

  want [TS]

  and until very recently I mean I'm very [TS]

  very recently throughout all of human [TS]

  history there was always a place for you [TS]

  to go where you could go to the edge of [TS]

  town and still be considered a citizen [TS]

  right he weren't you [TS]

  right he weren't you [TS]

  you lived out kind of by your own rules [TS]

  on the frontier but when you came back [TS]

  to town you weren't considered a [TS]

  criminal right and that that that [TS]

  territory is gone now I like even in [TS]

  Alaska right i mean i suppose if you [TS]

  went out to Siberia or you went up the [TS]

  Amazon or something you could find a [TS]

  place where you could be your own person [TS]

  and come back to town and be if you are [TS]

  willing to go somewhere where there [TS]

  wasn't a road I don't know why this [TS]

  makes you think this back in Tallahassee [TS]

  it seemed like about every year or so [TS]

  the city moved out about two miles in [TS]

  one direction or another and whenever [TS]

  long as you say the arterioles so you [TS]

  know you could go another mile of [TS]

  thomasville road and there weren't any [TS]

  public sees anymore and there weren't [TS]

  more lights but if you really want to go [TS]

  beyond your own you're gonna have to go [TS]

  to Georgia and go down a dirt road huh [TS]

  right but eventually like within five [TS]

  years you would be living in the city [TS]

  because where you are now like people [TS]

  have moved past that now the new [TS]

  pioneers have created someone just some [TS]

  response but beyond that now you're in [TS]

  just another suburb [TS]

  yeah people keep company and and we [TS]

  liked it we think of we think of people [TS]

  that are out on the fringe as wanting to [TS]

  be away from people but in fact there [TS]

  there there is a whole component of [TS]

  human beings who want to both be out on [TS]

  the fringe living more or less by their [TS]

  own rules but not away from people they [TS]

  want to come in and go to the bar they [TS]

  want to be a part of the of a culture [TS]

  and the culture even you know they they [TS]

  are they wanted to play with others but [TS]

  they also want to go kind of make their [TS]

  own way [TS]

  yeah you know in some ways we've gotten [TS]

  that in a backwards way with air travel [TS]

  or you know the idea that you could fly [TS]

  to somewhere and be away from your [TS]

  family and under your family's I but you [TS]

  could still get back home it's just it [TS]

  used to be if you made that decision to [TS]

  tell me if I'm wrong used to be if you [TS]

  made that decision it was a lot harder [TS]

  to go back right or you had to you know [TS]

  they're there were all kinds of look you [TS]

  couldn't go back to st. Louis and and [TS]

  move back to your family's house but if [TS]

  you went out to Oregon [TS]

  you could you know if there was still [TS]

  there was still somebody who knew how to [TS]

  play the piano in oregon right it wasn't [TS]

  like you had gone and we're living in a [TS]

  house made a bark or even if you were [TS]

  you could you could take a cut you can [TS]

  take your horse in and hear somebody [TS]

  play the piano and we have started [TS]

  thinking of everybody who wants to live [TS]

  outside as being cool kind of criminal [TS]

  and work we've we've criminalized in a [TS]

  way the desire to to not to not live [TS]

  according to that you know that this [TS]

  like minutiae law that we are that we're [TS]

  all sort of like little by little [TS]

  acquiescing to it definitely makes you [TS]

  seem suspicious [TS]

  it makes you seem suspicious and and [TS]

  what we're not recognizing I guess what [TS]

  we do recognize in some part of [TS]

  ourselves is that all the big laws are [TS]

  taking care of right we've got the we've [TS]

  got the the structure of the law now [TS]

  that we really don't have um we don't [TS]

  have any gaps in what what the the law [TS]

  stipulates except when new technology [TS]

  invents a new situation where it's like [TS]

  oh we kind of do need a new law to [TS]

  govern this because it didn't exist [TS]

  before but because lawmaking and [TS]

  law-enforcing is such a massive business [TS]

  where we're constantly making new laws [TS]

  smaller and smaller laws governing [TS]

  smaller and smaller little pockets of [TS]

  behavior and everybody is not so [TS]

  different from chris anderson's longtail [TS]

  idea you know when you hear things about [TS]

  whatever civil forfeiture or about you [TS]

  know that the modern equivalent of [TS]

  debtors prison for people getting all [TS]

  these fines [TS]

  it's like if you you pile up enough for [TS]

  those two hundred-dollar fines and you [TS]

  can run a pretty good small town [TS]

  oh for sure I mean you drop's like the [TS]

  speed traps in Florida there's towns [TS]

  which is run on [TS]

  nothing but stopping people on 75 for [TS]

  going you know 80 miles an hour [TS]

  yeah because they put up a sign that [TS]

  says for the next 14 miles the speed is [TS]

  45 miles an hour and you're just driving [TS]

  along at at highway speeds and it's like [TS]

  oh I didn't see the tiny sign that said [TS]

  it was a 45 miles now that is really [TS]

  real I mean it's there are places like I [TS]

  think about going maybe your gainesville [TS]

  a place you i'm sure you've been through [TS]

  these places where it goes from 65 235 [TS]

  yeah like in less than a mile and the [TS]

  sign is like a hidden behind a dairy [TS]

  queen [TS]

  yeah a West Texas the best Texas keeps [TS]

  the lights on by the same method but [TS]

  it's not just that it's that it's also [TS]

  the desire that we have even on top of [TS]

  the laws that are being made [TS]

  I mean when you think about all the [TS]

  constituencies in America who are like [TS]

  there should be a law there should be a [TS]

  law that prohibits people from spanking [TS]

  their kids there should be a law that [TS]

  prohibits people from ya from teaching [TS]

  astrology there should be a law that [TS]

  prohibits this amendment you're [TS]

  mentioning abortion as an option right [TS]

  we're all trying to add more and more [TS]

  laws to what is already like a spiderweb [TS]

  of laws because it's just it feels good [TS]

  to do it and we want to we want to limit [TS]

  everybody else and we want to we want to [TS]

  create the utopia that that that [TS]

  comports with our mind the best and so [TS]

  where where Lee you and I and all of us [TS]

  are surrendering everyday a little bit [TS]

  more of what would be the work of what [TS]

  is essentially adult autonomy to this [TS]

  like convoluted set of law every time [TS]

  you click accept on a apple on itunes a [TS]

  legal document it's just like I don't [TS]

  know what I just accepted and I don't [TS]

  give a fuck and that's happening in [TS]

  every aspect of our lives like but [TS]

  protect you know like the whole idea [TS]

  that the the whole debate about gay [TS]

  marriage is just like with this is adult [TS]

  autonomy this should not even be I mean [TS]

  it's a common thing to say but [TS]

  why are we even find amusing wasn't that [TS]

  long ago and so that's right and and and [TS]

  you know and the law like where we are [TS]

  we are debating the law where we're [TS]

  discovering new truths in the law and [TS]

  that is that's a constant process and [TS]

  that will always be how we evolve but [TS]

  that but adding new laws is another it's [TS]

  it's a game that where it's a game that [TS]

  we can't win right and you and I both [TS]

  feel every day and I think everybody [TS]

  that probably listen to our program [TS]

  feels that there are certain laws that [TS]

  we are empowered to ignore in the course [TS]

  of a day right there are certain things [TS]

  where it's like yeah okay sure [TS]

  4-way stop I know technically I need to [TS]

  come to a complete stop [TS]

  I'm an observer of those but I respect [TS]

  all right I respect your deeply help [TS]

  throw-in beliefs and then not needing to [TS]

  follow know that I'm just law [TS]

  I'm gonna roll on through here there's [TS]

  nobody around [TS]

  John um I don't want to derail you so to [TS]

  speak button now I know I how does a the [TS]

  the happy village how does how does [TS]

  Frontierland how is that stepping stone [TS]

  to super train or is it it's just it's [TS]

  something we need to do is a practical [TS]

  first step toward the dystopia we can [TS]

  all live with whether we like it or not [TS]

  yeah the but the thing about super train [TS]

  is that it's coming in the ashes of I'd [TS]

  are inevitable doom right look great on [TS]

  a poster but on the on the way to this [TS]

  inevitable doom there are certain steps [TS]

  we need to take still false hope this [TS]

  little shit we need to try [TS]

  mhm right as we are hurtling up for the [TS]

  montage scene that shows all the things [TS]

  that went wrong over a hundred and fifty [TS]

  years [TS]

  yeah as we're hurtling toward our [TS]

  destiny we need to have some we need to [TS]

  have some cool graphics there and yeah [TS]

  you know and I feel like I feel like the [TS]

  the counterpoint to two since say this [TS]

  to sin city to frontier town is going to [TS]

  be churchtown somewhere you know there's [TS]

  going to be something that people are [TS]

  going to come along and say well if if [TS]

  there had been so Plake they are they're [TS]

  having this free for all that over in [TS]

  Moses Lake we're going to just have a [TS]

  we're gonna make a town where and I mean [TS]

  you know this is the beginning of a kind [TS]

  of like fracturing of civil society [TS]

  that's ultimately going to herald the [TS]

  doom that brings super training [TS]

  I'm thank you i might have a suggestion [TS]

  here that I think gets too i know i [TS]

  think about all the things that you help [TS]

  people with and all the things that you [TS]

  wake up every morning literally saying [TS]

  and what can I do about obviously [TS]

  homelessness number one that's the thing [TS]

  most worried about on the other thing [TS]

  you think about I don't you leave [TS]

  yourself out of this here let me give [TS]

  you a quick thought technology here [TS]

  you're going to have over here in in in [TS]

  frontierville you're going to have the [TS]

  need for some infrastructure you're [TS]

  gonna be late for the bus to stop [TS]

  yeah there's going to be a sheriff well [TS]

  there you're gonna want a lot of like [TS]

  convenience stores you're going to want [TS]

  a lot of any view 20 / take an existing [TS]

  city and picking back on its [TS]

  infrastructure they're still going to be [TS]

  the need for stuff to happen there so [TS]

  there's already probably a vaping supply [TS]

  store in Soap Lake Washington right [TS]

  you're gonna need a couple incredible to [TS]

  think about this I mean you know no [TS]

  matter what even in this idyllic [TS]

  landscape that were even in this literal [TS]

  utopia that we're creating for people [TS]

  who don't really feel like doing [TS]

  anything you're still gonna need [TS]

  somebody sober to run the cash register [TS]

  and the cash register running a cash [TS]

  register [TS]

  does not require you to be sober service [TS]

  from experience yes it is i like I used [TS]

  to keep a 32 ounce cup a 32-ounce like [TS]

  soft drink up like a global a big goal [TS]

  of a big gulp full of wine under the [TS]

  counter [TS]

  let's just wine that's a social drink [TS]

  and all day long i would just be sipping [TS]

  at the why everyone's well somebody like [TS]

  what is that dr. pepper is really red [TS]

  and I'd be like a loan [TS]

  but i didn't i didn't change the hose [TS]

  somebody's going to need to bootstrap [TS]

  the infrastructure for this and I don't [TS]

  want the government involved because [TS]

  frankly i don't think they can handle it [TS]

  I think they could miss handle it what i [TS]

  am thinking that is if you were how come [TS]

  no even better i'm thinking this is [TS]

  finally your chance to be on board [TS]

  I think you go get some heel on mosques [TS]

  and some Mark Zuckerberg houses and some [TS]

  Jeff bezos's and you get on the board [TS]

  for bootstrapping an entire franchise of [TS]

  these cities in interesting places now [TS]

  maybe there could be a ballot initiative [TS]

  where they said hey bring on frontier [TS]

  town but you're still gonna want [TS]

  somebody there [TS]

  I want to see a grown up but I'm a [TS]

  grown-up doesn't mind being around a [TS]

  bunch of drunks don't feel like doing [TS]

  anything nothing that there's anything [TS]

  wrong with that that's the whole reason [TS]

  we made future ville [TS]

  but when you do that think about that [TS]

  now you are if I say you are really [TS]

  positioning yourself for things to [TS]

  happen in the future [TS]

  financially obviously there's going to [TS]

  be a windfall for you here but much more [TS]

  interestingly you're getting into the [TS]

  corridors of power [TS]

  you're getting the right people on your [TS]

  side more importantly they're getting [TS]

  you on their side [TS]

  mm and I think what super train comes [TS]

  along you're going to have a you know a [TS]

  bear and a BMW textual should have crops [TS]

  and brawn type situation here he's [TS]

  here's what we do [TS]

  here's the pier the first product that [TS]

  Roderick Zuckerberg a basis and musk RC [TS]

  bt m Roderick Zuckerberg Basil's and [TS]

  musk our first product is a sin city [TS]

  gaya device but this is your Genesis [TS]

  bomb [TS]

  it's the Genesis bomb long we fly over [TS]

  the middle of a state somewhere we drop [TS]

  this we dropped us in Genesis bomb and [TS]

  it creates think it's called it's called [TS]

  the future seed future seed it-it-it [TS]

  impregnates the earth and creates just [TS]

  like you know kind of like the opening [TS]

  sequence of Game of Thrones this little [TS]

  like Alison little paper pop-ups it [TS]

  comes to sex mashina of of like sin town [TS]

  I can't leave XO scheana as the name of [TS]

  your interim [TS]

  reading group haha and it's just you [TS]

  know its built-in kind of a mock tudor [TS]

  but it looks a little bit like Venice [TS]

  also like houses on top of how things [TS]

  you having some kind of robot avatar his [TS]

  name is literally deuce middle initial x [TS]

  last night mashina oh alright [TS]

  iono deus ex mashina and he looks like [TS]

  billy corgan another now down but how [TS]

  many people to be flocking there [TS]

  yeah they will be put there with their [TS]

  rucksacks you know it's gonna be I would [TS]

  go there things you know early days [TS]

  it'll be amazing and then it will go to [TS]

  shit [TS]

  yeah you make a new one you make a new [TS]

  one that's the other part of Las Vegas [TS]

  the fixed cost you know that place is [TS]

  already built they know where to deliver [TS]

  the prime rib in the mountains you know [TS]

  that sometimes you can't pull up stakes [TS]

  like a fucking dead like a degenerate [TS]

  MASH unit you will actually move on to [TS]

  the next town burn it down and whatever [TS]

  and all the skeeters that can't I can't [TS]

  move anymore just get burned with the [TS]

  town become fuel that's right come on [TS]

  Skeeter logs fun thing is pretty good [TS]

  just pretty good [TS]