The Incomparable

187: Man versus Mars

 

  the incomparable number 187 marriage [TS]

  welcome back to be uncomfortable i'm [TS]

  your host Jason Snelling we're [TS]

  reconvening our book club are ever [TS]

  shifting membership of the book club the [TS]

  only person who is always with me for [TS]

  the book club is Scott multi hi Scott [TS]

  sorry I couldn't make it to the ages no [TS]

  it's the ghost of Scott McDonnell it is [TS]

  who doesn't read books coat that's a [TS]

  shame well it was thank you for stopping [TS]

  in to say you won't be here [TS]

  his life model duplicate that way to his [TS]

  John Smoltz who has been voicing our [TS]

  radio dramas but hasn't been on because [TS]

  usually he's not available when we [TS]

  record but he's here and I can't read [TS]

  and you can but your woman choosing a [TS]

  book club episode to appear and was the [TS]

  worst choice you could possibly a maid [TS]

  always that with this is yeah yeah [TS]

  also here he reads occasionally and [TS]

  occasionally appears on the book club [TS]

  especially if it's about the end of the [TS]

  world [TS]

  mm it's lex friedman hi likes hi how are [TS]

  you [TS]

  it's good to have you here I'm doing [TS]

  fine better now that you're here i'll be [TS]

  on any podcast that features John Smoltz [TS]

  we should say you guys you fellows you [TS]

  fellows have a podcast of your own [TS]

  that's correct turning this car around [TS]

  it's about driving it's about driving [TS]

  when you're a dad and how you're [TS]

  constantly threatening to turn the car [TS]

  around [TS]

  alright that's good I like that is [TS]

  certain is there an age where that [TS]

  starts the minute [TS]

  yes the minute they can talk i think [TS]

  people the minute they have desire to go [TS]

  somewhere else and that voice you heard [TS]

  was Lisa Schmeisser by the way [TS]

  hi Lisa hi it's a pleasure to be here [TS]

  it's good to have you think they don't [TS]

  really understand what you're saying [TS]

  until after they get back from college [TS]

  yeah even if then gradually if then [TS]

  30-32 alright so we are all here to talk [TS]

  about a relatively new book although it [TS]

  has a little bit of a history it was a [TS]

  posted on a website chapter by chapter [TS]

  and then the author did a kindle edition [TS]

  and that became [TS]

  very successful and so then it got an [TS]

  audio edition and a movie deal and a [TS]

  book deal and just recently came out as [TS]

  a you know an officially published by a [TS]

  big publishing company book which is I [TS]

  feel bad I I should have my finger on [TS]

  the pulse of this stuff and have read it [TS]

  like two years ago and be able to scoff [TS]

  and say back i read that one but no I i [TS]

  just heard about it like a couple weeks [TS]

  ago and it's called the Martian by a guy [TS]

  named andy weir who is has a computer [TS]

  science background is no is a you know [TS]

  has also like to righties it's sort of [TS]

  like a technology technology geek and [TS]

  amateur rider who has become now the [TS]

  author of this so widely while widely [TS]

  published widely successful novel the [TS]

  Martian yet he may be fabulously wealthy [TS]

  now but his name still sounds a little [TS]

  bit like underwear so I got that yeah [TS]

  sorry anywhere it's across you have to [TS]

  bear you should have chosen a pen name [TS]

  but this is the pic pic might I suggest [TS]

  Lex Friedman might I suggest a BVD fruit [TS]

  of the loom [TS]

  just a suggestion i love his work he is [TS]

  fruit of the loom [TS]

  man that guy could write me now you have [TS]

  me wondering if he actually made more [TS]

  money self-publishing then he would have [TS]

  made the publishing house because the [TS]

  economics of getting published by [TS]

  mainstream publisher much much different [TS]

  and yeah yourself but he was selling it [TS]

  for like ninety-nine cents and and like [TS]

  I said that Mike I never heard they made [TS]

  the activities fair there's like a huge [TS]

  flat of self-published syfy out there so [TS]

  unless you exactly unless you literally [TS]

  spend all day doing nothing but but [TS]

  checking blog posts and reading through [TS]

  this stuff you wouldn't have known he'd [TS]

  get a six-figure deal plus the movie [TS]

  deal so I think he probably made the [TS]

  right decision overall but you're right [TS]

  that it's not always a slam dunk on the [TS]

  economic question [TS]

  yeah i think the movie is going to kick [TS]

  ass frankly i would hope so and thinks [TS]

  will be great I so having enjoyed [TS]

  gravity i was sitting you know reading a [TS]

  book thinking well I I assume this has [TS]

  already been optioned for a movie [TS]

  because whoever has got this can pick I [TS]

  mean the pitch is simple it's like [TS]

  you're looking for the next gravity [TS]

  I got it for you right here I don't know [TS]

  why they have that accent [TS]

  different plus mission to Mars was so [TS]

  bad yeah and Andrea planet we throw that [TS]

  in there do it was a dark time in our [TS]

  nation's history because you guys have [TS]

  all seen mission to Mars right [TS]

  yes we're done she'll get stranded on [TS]

  Mars no doubt so I hope and see if [TS]

  there's a there's a long stupid sequence [TS]

  of events involving Jerry O'Connell and [TS]

  Van Halen okay lock long story short [TS]

  long stupid sequence of events that lead [TS]

  to jerry o'connell dance around it to [TS]

  Van Halen 0g and then somehow John [TS]

  she'll get ended it ends up stranded on [TS]

  Mars and grows out our righteous afro in [TS]

  a greenhouse [TS]

  yeah that's pretty much what I remember [TS]

  from the movie yep that's pretty much it [TS]

  and so I was Andy weir was at the [TS]

  authors at Google he gave a talk there [TS]

  about his book and he talked about how [TS]

  he just wanted to give the book away for [TS]

  free and so it was on this website and [TS]

  then people kept annoying him that they [TS]

  wanted on their kindle and it's like all [TS]

  right i'll put on the kindle and Amazon [TS]

  wouldn't let him give it away for free [TS]

  so he had to charge 99 cents and that's [TS]

  the only wish I had this problem i wish [TS]

  i had a problem with people banging down [TS]

  my door in order to pay for my content [TS]

  well maybe if you're an awesome book [TS]

  about people getting stranded animal ya [TS]

  like like that's going to that business [TS]

  model [TS]

  it's a proven winner so this this is an [TS]

  interesting book I was trying to [TS]

  describe to somebody and I I mean the [TS]

  elevator pitch obviously is Apollo 13 [TS]

  meet meets castaway right because this [TS]

  is about this is this is it reads like [TS]

  Apollo 13 and that is a sort of [TS]

  fact-based acceptance made up in fact [TS]

  based approach to a mission to Mars [TS]

  future historical fiction it's well it's [TS]

  right i mean he tries to get the science [TS]

  right he's in this book apparently came [TS]

  out of him noodling on ideas about what [TS]

  the science would be for a mission to [TS]

  Mars and you can tell it's a very [TS]

  technically oriented approach it'sit's [TS]

  the details of how the Houthis would've [TS]

  worked and where they put the the [TS]

  refueling ships and the return vessel [TS]

  and and how the whole thing is going to [TS]

  work and I I thought that was really [TS]

  interesting that he tries to take that [TS]

  approach and then the Castaway example [TS]

  is that he has a volleyball [TS]

  no that's not it that he you know he [TS]

  gets stranded and that's that's the plot [TS]

  of the book is there's a dude on Mars [TS]

  and [TS]

  he's stuck there and his whole team [TS]

  thinks he's dead so they leave and he's [TS]

  all alone on the surface of Mars [TS]

  how could he how in the world could he [TS]

  survive and he works the problem using [TS]

  science and that's you know again your [TS]

  back to that Apollo 13 kind of thing [TS]

  where it's really a lot of math yeah [TS]

  there's a lot there there's there is a [TS]

  lot of math he's plucky he's also a [TS]

  fortunate combination of skill sets [TS]

  yeah that's what I was gonna gonna say [TS]

  is Mark Watney this main character he is [TS]

  literally the only person who could [TS]

  serve hot [TS]

  exactly exactly everybody else on the [TS]

  team would be dead he is a botanist [TS]

  engineer and pretty much when you [TS]

  stranded on Mars it would be good to be [TS]

  able to know how to try and grow some [TS]

  food so you can survive and you have to [TS]

  be an electrical engineer who can wire [TS]

  things and fix things [TS]

  yeah he's a mechanical engineer so you [TS]

  don't write books about the other people [TS]

  who treated Morris because they just die [TS]

  right away in the morn [TS]

  well there are combination blogger [TS]

  nutritionist [TS]

  i mean i-i so my time thinking of like [TS]

  the most useless company should sent [TS]

  into a panic but you know that will [TS]

  night I do appreciate that almost [TS]

  everybody out on his crew had some sort [TS]

  of heavy engineering or computer science [TS]

  background because it does make a lot of [TS]

  sense that you have to have somebody who [TS]

  can keep a really cool head and fix hard [TS]

  mechanical stuff when they're there is [TS]

  no but there's no IT department within [TS]

  you know several hundred thousand miles [TS]

  well their astronauts and astronauts are [TS]

  trained to do that right so what they've [TS]

  got and they do have to grow things [TS]

  today I mean limited the the skill set [TS]

  for people living on Mars has to be this [TS]

  dovetailing of being an astronaut and [TS]

  being you know having skills being a [TS]

  settler kind of and having those skills [TS]

  to did anybody else have like the [TS]

  scholastic magazines in the classroom [TS]

  growing up like that and yeah did you [TS]

  remember like I think was GE that used [TS]

  to do the fantastical ads in the back of [TS]

  them where it was will have underwater [TS]

  colonies and we'll know it was like they [TS]

  yeah and I'm you have this dovetailing [TS]

  with epcot center and i discovered [TS]

  hydroponics like in fifth and sixth [TS]

  grade and for about five or six years i [TS]

  was hardcore set on becoming a space [TS]

  botanist like I was convinced that if I [TS]

  could just [TS]

  study hydroponics and figure out a way [TS]

  to create a softness self-sustaining [TS]

  biome and some in a space the size of my [TS]

  room like Shirley NASA would have to [TS]

  recruit me and so reading this book like [TS]

  totally brought back a whole flood of [TS]

  like space crazy middle school memories [TS]

  it was it was it was nice what was that [TS]

  what was the old show that had like a [TS]

  high that we had a hydroponics garden I [TS]

  was keeping everybody alive which one [TS]

  was that was that space 1999 or [TS]

  something in that era there was that [TS]

  there was a shame i mean it was a row [TS]

  they were always talking about the [TS]

  hydroponics garden only ever showed the [TS]

  hydroponics garden but the hydroponics [TS]

  garden was keeping the whole crew alive [TS]

  that was like one of the grace notes and [TS]

  did anyone else hear to the movie [TS]

  sunshine were the premise of the movies [TS]

  they have to go drop a nuke into the [TS]

  sender restarted mrs. Sonia but I'm yep [TS]

  that the hydroponics garden plays a huge [TS]

  role in that movie too [TS]

  and John I mr google tells me that it [TS]

  was indeed space 1999 no I just day I [TS]

  still hate gardening an actual soil that [TS]

  you show me you can take that you look [TS]

  like you show me a container or a raised [TS]

  bed or a hydroponic system and I'm like [TS]

  I can do this if it is practically a [TS]

  spaceship at that point exactly yes just [TS]

  i'll tell you the one thing because i [TS]

  was thinking when I mean I don't know [TS]

  anything about any of the science [TS]

  involved so I was just willing to take [TS]

  the authors word for it and marks i [TS]

  guess and i started to feel like you [TS]

  know you see the Apollo 13 connection [TS]

  right away you see the Castaway [TS]

  connection right away but it ended up [TS]

  feeling to me the book more than [TS]

  anything else like the TV series The the [TS]

  not great TV series Prison Break [TS]

  oh god I recap that for television [TS]

  without pity and everyone and every week [TS]

  Michael Scofield had to like [TS]

  jerry-rigged some sort of crazy world [TS]

  but it's not just this generation rate [TS]

  single school feels there and he's he's [TS]

  he solved this seemingly insurmountable [TS]

  problem and now they're going to be in [TS]

  the clear but in the last minute of the [TS]

  episode episode [TS]

  oh crap now there's something even worse [TS]

  it impossible unsolvable situation he's [TS]

  clearly doomed and then next week he [TS]

  solves it but that's that's the [TS]

  structure of the book because you know [TS]

  they've NASA figures out like what the [TS]

  first quarter that he's still alive and [TS]

  then it instantly turns 20 crap we [TS]

  obviously have to get them home so it's [TS]

  not like man vs Man is your ultimate man [TS]

  versus nature Balkans and and basically [TS]

  those are nature has tried to [TS]

  like my ass i have barely hung on and [TS]

  lather rinse repeat for the next 20 [TS]

  chapters yeah I definitely i used aside [TS]

  from Apollo 13 and cast away at the [TS]

  example i gave to several people was [TS]

  it's kind of like a jack london novel [TS]

  where you know instead of it the [TS]

  frontier is space but it's like that you [TS]

  know you're in Alaska and the the cold [TS]

  is gonna make your fingers fall off if [TS]

  you don't find shelter soon and it's a [TS]

  little bit like bad that to that it is [TS]

  it is man versus nature into the wild [TS]

  into the wild with a happier ending [TS]

  oh no it's I I absolutely disagree with [TS]

  that [TS]

  um here's haha you are wrong [TS]

  no I do because Mike I've read that book [TS]

  a couple of times i'm a big jon krakauer [TS]

  fan because I kind of going vendors well [TS]

  read that back to back with into thin [TS]

  air sense crack hours fascinated by [TS]

  extreme personalities who take man [TS]

  versus nature 222 an edge and the point [TS]

  that cracker makes over and over and [TS]

  over is that Alexander Supertramp had no [TS]

  effing idea what he was doing he was [TS]

  basically under the impression he was [TS]

  under the impression that he tap into [TS]

  some like yungin subconscious that [TS]

  teaches you how to live off the land and [TS]

  he literally knew nothing about the the [TS]

  heat not only did he know nothing about [TS]

  where he was going he also knew nothing [TS]

  about how to react adverse circumstances [TS]

  spoiler alert [TS]

  we're what whereas what you find out [TS]

  with Mark Watney is that he approaches [TS]

  every problem and he's like here's what [TS]

  I know about my situation here is how i [TS]

  can find more information here is how [TS]

  can respond to it like one has a [TS]

  tremendous amount of respect for for [TS]

  external Authority and and for external [TS]

  knowledge and you here the authors say [TS]

  here's all my research that backs it up [TS]

  i don't know if i would agree that he [TS]

  has a tremendous respect for external [TS]

  Authority it's also fiction [TS]

  now you cannot people stop it and use it [TS]

  for for external for external knowledge [TS]

  for people who have done research and [TS]

  run the numbers which is one of the [TS]

  great aspects of the book right is like [TS]

  his his his disrespect is disrespect for [TS]

  authority is fantastic people are [TS]

  reading this oh yeah well you PS also [TS]

  their sisters is my favorite moment of [TS]

  the book I I like how they actually make [TS]

  a point of saying it's probably why he [TS]

  survived is because you know he [TS]

  automatically he's comfortable being non [TS]

  authoritarian and he's [TS]

  comfortable being outside the boundaries [TS]

  of of convention anyway and that way [TS]

  he's not gonna fall to pieces the same [TS]

  way that somebody who needs to be told [TS]

  what to do well and that's why when he [TS]

  ignores NASA later in the book and and [TS]

  does some things that it doesn't want [TS]

  him to do it is good that he does that [TS]

  right i mean he gets used to making his [TS]

  own decisions and that's mean and that [TS]

  is that is why he survives is that he's [TS]

  independent like that but it's also [TS]

  funny I mean you want to have an [TS]

  engaging personality and the fact that [TS]

  this guy is is you know kind of waking [TS]

  making jokes and he's a character and [TS]

  and that gets you a long way because if [TS]

  he was a really boring astronaut who is [TS]

  very serious about his job that would be [TS]

  a boring read a 10 at the same time you [TS]

  kind of want to believe that this guy's [TS]

  letting it rip [TS]

  because he's probably gonna die anyway [TS]

  and he's just trying to keep himself [TS]

  saying so there's a good reason for that [TS]

  right [TS]

  it's the it's the sort of hook that lets [TS]

  you believe that he's not completely [TS]

  depressed because he's spending two [TS]

  years by himself for watching every [TS]

  seventies sitcom ever made and listening [TS]

  to disco and look which I don't [TS]

  understand why you know astronauts 10 [TS]

  years in her future her and so obsessed [TS]

  with seventies television was only one [TS]

  astronaut needed to be right this is the [TS]

  way people you know get into any weird [TS]

  cultural period and make it there around [TS]

  got Mykelti loves worker she wrote it's [TS]

  it's true i also think it was easy i [TS]

  think it was it was it was exciting dr. [TS]

  find out here now to characterize [TS]

  someone you know it was just so this is [TS]

  the hard-ass military captain who has a [TS]

  secret thing for dinner womp womp [TS]

  yeah yeah just like our this is the [TS]

  diminutive computer scientist who may be [TS]

  turned into a cannibal of this mission [TS]

  because ha ha yeah and it's also just [TS]

  funny like having to deal with someone [TS]

  else's idea of entertainment for you [TS]

  know six months or however long you can [TS]

  go through their library i have a hard [TS]

  time believing though that this guy you [TS]

  know or was it was hit that he brought [TS]

  stuff and it was lost or what did he [TS]

  just not bring entertain because I that [TS]

  was what baffles me is like why doesn't [TS]

  he have his own store of entertainment [TS]

  for the flight out in the flight back [TS]

  and instead he's left with these scraps [TS]

  they maybe take it back with them as a [TS]

  well you know mark mark love Monty [TS]

  Python so what 17 minutes of Monty [TS]

  Python every night or something I don't [TS]

  know they wouldn't have known they were [TS]

  losing marked when they were going [TS]

  because they were evacuating right and [TS]

  he got lost as on the way to the [TS]

  whatever that evil and the RR whatever [TS]

  its called [TS]

  I thought there was some kind of [TS]

  technical issue that lost whatever he [TS]

  had but I don't remember it so I could [TS]

  be wrong [TS]

  yeah i mean it winds up being funny that [TS]

  he's he's miserably you know powering [TS]

  through every 70 sitcom and listen to [TS]

  get my pic but if you know I i found [TS]

  that kind of perplexing that he didn't [TS]

  have his own store and maybe i just [TS]

  missed where he said well I had it but I [TS]

  watched it all and I'm tired of it and I [TS]

  want something new or I I lack the [TS]

  foresight to pack enough stuff but she [TS]

  packed every sitcom ever so I'm gonna [TS]

  watch that I don't know my only [TS]

  complaint about the book i really liked [TS]

  it but I did not like the P narrative [TS]

  context switching that happened or the [TS]

  the I guess the cheating to make the [TS]

  narrative devices work sometime so you [TS]

  know a lot of it is his own journaling [TS]

  and I'll accept that he's got very [TS]

  little to do on Mars when he's not [TS]

  trying to survive so he can write in his [TS]

  journal that's fine but when he has the [TS]

  the really borderline end of his life [TS]

  situation where he's in the compromised [TS]

  airlock trying to live and it's verbal [TS]

  journals right it'sit's transcription [TS]

  his recordings that he made [TS]

  I wasn't it really took me out of the [TS]

  stories and try to imagine i'm in the [TS]

  situation i'm going to narrate the whole [TS]

  thing for my future journaling purposes [TS]

  I didn't like it out of much rather it [TS]

  either context switch to the third [TS]

  person or that he he wrote about it [TS]

  later because i did not at all by that [TS]

  he was narrating it [TS]

  that's a very good logical point but it [TS]

  never bothered me at all I tended Mary [TS]

  to myself of them if I'm in the middle [TS]

  of doing something unpleasant or but he [TS]

  has to conserve oxygen like it's it's [TS]

  extremely dangerous for him to keep [TS]

  talking i crying curl up in a ball that [TS]

  doesn't really conserve oxygen laughing [TS]

  again again that's the story of how John [TS]

  Smoltz died on Mars that's respect [TS]

  but it's not different blood is good [TS]

  very short not notice goodbye the you [TS]

  know this is the literary equivalent of [TS]

  the found-footage movie right it is an [TS]

  epistolary essentially novel and I love [TS]

  epistolary in-house to all I got so it's [TS]

  it's a challenge to to break out of that [TS]

  is it realistic I I thought you were [TS]

  going to go another direction X because [TS]

  that didn't that didn't confuse me or [TS]

  frustrate me at all [TS]

  the cutaways to earth while I I [TS]

  appreciate the drama because you see [TS]

  that they're searching for him and he's [TS]

  searching you know for a way to to reach [TS]

  them and that's all kind of connected [TS]

  and it's and it actually is kind of a [TS]

  kick to realize that they're watching as [TS]

  he does things they finally spot him but [TS]

  still it's it's cheating because it's [TS]

  not from his perspective and what's [TS]

  worse [TS]

  am I the only one who thinks it's got [TS]

  all the characters on earth were [TS]

  miserable but they weren't even human [TS]

  beings because they were kind of like [TS]

  two dimensional characters but they were [TS]

  all jerks they were all just awful [TS]

  people they were stock NASA bureaucrats [TS]

  yeah i didn't i didn't feel like they [TS]

  were jerks [TS]

  you didn't say lyrics I didn't that the [TS]

  pr ladies a jerk [TS]

  the manager is a jerk that the woman who [TS]

  finds him is not a jerk [TS]

  maybe it's just because I deal with a [TS]

  lot of PR people but you know it's not [TS]

  you know like I could totally hear [TS]

  something our personal she was very [TS]

  sarcastic but she wasn't happy about [TS]

  reporters and this is my client that I'm [TS]

  protecting and and i absolutely no PR [TS]

  people like her where that the idea that [TS]

  this is a human being trapped on Mars [TS]

  like yes I'm very concerned but I'm more [TS]

  concerned about is I have this pack of [TS]

  jerkish reporters who need something [TS]

  give it to me so i can give it to them [TS]

  and that's that's how good PR people [TS]

  work i didn't i didn't think they were [TS]

  necessarily directly to think they were [TS]

  one-dimensional character posturing [TS]

  between bureaucrats reliably yeah [TS]

  residents of flatland yeah and it's it's [TS]

  it's the it's the cliché that the the [TS]

  bureaucrat wants to do the the thing [TS]

  that's gonna look better as opposed to [TS]

  the thing that has a better chance of [TS]

  actually succeeding guy just the whole [TS]

  dynamic in the the the power [TS]

  relationships and them arguing and and [TS]

  the stuff they say yeah I never felt [TS]

  that they were really character [TS]

  there's and I i found most of them [TS]

  unpleasant and I I thought it was a [TS]

  liability of the book but the people on [TS]

  earth where were all all ya work will [TS]

  kind of awful and also flat I was really [TS]

  touched by the Chinese researchers [TS]

  actually because they were like we had [TS]

  this national school and find finally [TS]

  have an astronaut who's going on a [TS]

  mission but we sacrificed a lot of what [TS]

  could've been her own good science for [TS]

  this one guy and and the fact that they [TS]

  point out that there's a huge price to [TS]

  be paid but they're happy to pay it i [TS]

  was really glad that it wasn't just as [TS]

  one-dimensional last the glorious red [TS]

  Republic will make into space but rather [TS]

  it was like look we had all these [TS]

  factors we we made this decision it cost [TS]

  us a lot and I thought I thought it was [TS]

  one of the few really poignant moments [TS]

  in the book but but still the government [TS]

  wouldn't have done it if they didn't get [TS]

  a man on Mars [TS]

  yeah right i mean i was ultimately [TS]

  that's what the Chinese government went [TS]

  floor is your you would somebody on the [TS]

  next mission and I appreciated that they [TS]

  i actually appreciate the book went to [TS]

  tremendous detail about the horse [TS]

  trading in the pragmatism because it was [TS]

  one thing to say let's get this guy home [TS]

  but you know that everybody and every [TS]

  step of the way is going to protecting [TS]

  their own fiefdom in their own ass and [TS]

  so they also talked about here all the [TS]

  things that had to happen in order for [TS]

  everybody to feel like they were doing [TS]

  the right thing and not risk too much [TS]

  you know when you think about it there [TS]

  was a remark but there was a remarkable [TS]

  lack of risking getting this guy home [TS]

  like the funding was magically lined up [TS]

  public opinion was apparently still all [TS]

  oh my god we've got to bring the sky [TS]

  home as opposed to the 8000 blogs / [TS]

  sprung up all their spending this much [TS]

  brand him when you rebuilding to try or [TS]

  or like whatever and instead i wasn't [TS]

  really good blogger voice by the way [TS]

  that sound like that they do they do [TS]

  it's a blog quickly and this would have [TS]

  this would have taken place about the [TS]

  same time that Robocop would have taken [TS]

  place so Detroit is probably a good [TS]

  energy that's what did you know after i [TS]

  read the book within two weeks yourself [TS]

  arstechnica published an article about a [TS]

  a hypothetical mission to rescue the [TS]

  astronauts on the Columbia and it was [TS]

  very similar and it was based on you [TS]

  know a project that NASA was tasked with [TS]

  when they were doing [TS]

  their investigation after the Columbia [TS]

  Shuttle disaster and so it was you know [TS]

  they talked about all the things that [TS]

  have to go right all the corners that [TS]

  would have had to be cut and the [TS]

  different you know though the way the [TS]

  rescue mission would have gone it was [TS]

  very similar really bright red I mean [TS]

  still didn't happen not at all reality [TS]

  but you can't even read that article [TS]

  without getting caught up in the dream [TS]

  of my out maybe they're going to save [TS]

  these people who you already know have [TS]

  died but yet very similar so i just [TS]

  wanna probably worth the show no Jason [TS]

  yeah yeah i agree and that's good good [TS]

  piece and and that is the flavor of this [TS]

  right i mean i think i think if there's [TS]

  a criticism to be made of the the way [TS]

  this book is is written it is it is [TS]

  obsessed with technical details it is it [TS]

  is the transcript of an engineer on Mars [TS]

  trying to figure out the technical [TS]

  issues that will allow him to stay alive [TS]

  it is that this is this is a book that [TS]

  is telling me it's more than this but [TS]

  you can tell that what this book is [TS]

  about how do you solve the problem of [TS]

  what happens if a guy is a trap is [TS]

  trapped on Mars and and what in a larger [TS]

  standpoint how do you you know how would [TS]

  the manned Mars missions be set up to we [TS]

  in great detail because there aren't [TS]

  sort of hand waving solutions here it's [TS]

  all all the solutions are you know based [TS]

  on well this is how it would work and [TS]

  then this might happen and then how [TS]

  would you deal with that and I guess you [TS]

  know I liked it but I also could [TS]

  appreciate the criticism of somebody who [TS]

  says you know I i wanted it I wanted [TS]

  more story and less technical detail [TS]

  about how to fix my spacesuit on Mars [TS]

  because i am not going to Mars and don't [TS]

  own a spacesuit but it doesn't go into I [TS]

  don't think it goes into annoying detail [TS]

  i mean the the detail is only a couple [TS]

  paragraphs long another about my [TS]

  criticism of some other science fiction [TS]

  books just the at in which this book [TS]

  does not do at all is the long boring [TS]

  descriptions of the sweeping majesty of [TS]

  the Martian Plains and he does not waste [TS]

  a single word on any of that he doesn't [TS]

  waste a lot of words about stringing [TS]

  together resistor so he can change the [TS]

  average of the electricity friend the [TS]

  habitat to whatever his drill is using I [TS]

  think he's I still think he's much [TS]

  more compact and is writing I mean and I [TS]

  think that's why i was able to tear this [TS]

  book and a couple of days because he he [TS]

  will do that for a few paragraphs but [TS]

  I've I've rather books that go on for [TS]

  pages but I I felt like it was the right [TS]

  amount of Monte multi-year I felt like [TS]

  it was you know enough to show that he [TS]

  would like you wanted to be believable [TS]

  and it felt very grounded in reality [TS]

  whether it was legit or naughty I mean [TS]

  it's their turns out he did a ton of [TS]

  research but and all that stuff is is at [TS]

  is based as is also related to the [TS]

  action [TS]

  it has it as actual critical input into [TS]

  what is going on as opposed to Mars for [TS]

  years it has lain understood the natives [TS]

  colored farts ooh yeah-yeah-yeah also [TS]

  good that there's no there are no [TS]

  indigenous Martian life that's that's [TS]

  also i think i'm also a plus know it's a [TS]

  you get the feeling that it's real signs [TS]

  I I I never felt that the I never felt [TS]

  that that the the technical detail [TS]

  overwhelm the story where I was tapping [TS]

  my you know tapping my feet and being [TS]

  like come on come on back to the story I [TS]

  felt at a few points I I I started to [TS]

  wonder is this too much detail but then [TS]

  it would seem to be timed fairly well I [TS]

  just I i think that some people don't [TS]

  want to read a book with this kind of [TS]

  technical detail even at the level that [TS]

  it is they would I guess rather have the [TS]

  you know majesty of the vistas as he's [TS]

  traveling but instead this is definitely [TS]

  perspective of this guy and he's very [TS]

  focused on his goals and so we are we [TS]

  don't get that there are a few moments [TS]

  where he says right i took a moment to [TS]

  appreciate this thing that I saw but you [TS]

  know he's really focused on staying [TS]

  alive and figuring out what you know [TS]

  problems he needs to solve to get to his [TS]

  destination the thing that was hardest [TS]

  for me to understand of the science was [TS]

  probably because i'm stupid was the the [TS]

  big giant sack of nuclear energy that he [TS]

  was toting around every once awhile stay [TS]

  warm i think quite understand how that [TS]

  all works i was glad it worked that's [TS]

  how space probes like that's not like [TS]

  the Voyager and a bunch of space probes [TS]

  they have the that's how they stay with [TS]

  their electronics active is they've got [TS]

  isotopes that decay and emit heat and so [TS]

  it you know [TS]

  you wouldn't want to do that around [TS]

  people necessarily but it actually does [TS]

  keep things warm so that's a real that's [TS]

  a real thing I believed it [TS]

  it was very funny because he's like [TS]

  don't break don't break don't break [TS]

  don't break he's like well I'm dead if I [TS]

  can't use this but I'm also dead if it [TS]

  breaks so let's be careful but i'm gonna [TS]

  use it you did he buries it's funny [TS]

  because he he digs it up because they [TS]

  buried it because people shouldn't be [TS]

  around it and they use for a little [TS]

  while and he goes and puts it back and [TS]

  like berries that he can take over it [TS]

  and then he has to get out third time [TS]

  but that's a real that's a real thing [TS]

  i'm imagining that you know his overall [TS]

  life span is short from his radiation [TS]

  exposure but still all right [TS]

  yeah well it's longer than what it would [TS]

  have been right now and Mars has a [TS]

  thinner atmosphere than earth does [TS]

  anyway so he got more doses of radiation [TS]

  anyway so although it's further away [TS]

  that is true from the Sun we should get [TS]

  anywhere to calculate out his lifetime [TS]

  radiation exposure [TS]

  hi Betty Betty already has probably [TS]

  bought a blog post somewhere with the [TS]

  with the details anywhere hehe was he is [TS]

  uh I was so i watch this google talk [TS]

  that he gave where he was demonstrating [TS]

  the application that the program that he [TS]

  wrote that calculated all the orbits of [TS]

  all of the spacecraft to make sure that [TS]

  would all work and where Mars would be [TS]

  when Andy when a the different things [TS]

  happened on the different days and he [TS]

  knew every day [TS]

  oh dude he knows side five hands no no [TS]

  sci-fi family owes its yes because you [TS]

  you realize of course that you can't [TS]

  read a book like this without having a [TS]

  thousand space nerds fact-checking you [TS]

  and say the suspect doesn't work because [TS]

  XYZ and and do some bloggers I think [TS]

  that's another ministry always do they [TS]

  are bloggers hi things raises a larger [TS]

  issue is how much of your fandom comes [TS]

  down to being able to enjoy the theory [TS]

  the idea of something and how much of [TS]

  your fandom comes down to be able to [TS]

  enjoy the accuracy or the the verity of [TS]

  it well this book obviously came from [TS]

  the came from the facts i mean i really [TS]

  believe that he didn't work all the I [TS]

  mean he may have he may have checked his [TS]

  work at the end but i think most of the [TS]

  work in this book is upfront that he was [TS]

  curious about how it would work and then [TS]

  thought well i could write this in a [TS]

  story and I love [TS]

  I mean that's why I that's why i love [TS]

  Apollo 13 in the book that the movie was [TS]

  based on and the fact that the book and [TS]

  the movie was but anyway uh huh I like [TS]

  that because i would probably read a [TS]

  straight-up novel about the technical [TS]

  all the technical details and the [TS]

  interpersonal issues of sending people [TS]

  to Mars and back even if there was no [TS]

  disaster and somebody was left behind [TS]

  I would probably eat that up just [TS]

  because it's I think that's one of the [TS]

  valuable things that science fiction can [TS]

  do is make you think what would it be [TS]

  like if we went to Mars what would the [TS]

  details be how would the people react to [TS]

  it you don't necessarily even need a [TS]

  disaster but in this case we get that [TS]

  but we still get all of those great [TS]

  details and that was that was fun I [TS]

  realized that that's not for everybody [TS]

  but I love being able to imagine you [TS]

  know okay if we're going to go to Mars [TS]

  in the next 50 years [TS]

  how would we do that and then tell a [TS]

  story based on that which the sort of [TS]

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  the incomparable one thing that I [TS]

  thought was well done was how attempted [TS]

  to reflect the tediousness of some [TS]

  things without trying to say i think [TS]

  with the goal wasn't to make reading it [TS]

  boring but to reflect this is extremely [TS]

  time-consuming just there [TS]

  the initial way that he starts [TS]

  communicating with NASA where they and [TS]

  he has to have to divide the systems on [TS]

  his own because they haven't any [TS]

  messages to him at first just I don't [TS]

  know I found all that I could imagine [TS]

  how painful and slow the correspondence [TS]

  was at first you know rotating the the [TS]

  thing telescope whatever lies and I i [TS]

  appreciated their hit the I appreciated [TS]

  Weir's skill and doing that at it you [TS]

  know and he put in all the effort to [TS]

  building up his garden covers the entire [TS]

  thing with oil and then eventually it's [TS]

  all screwed i like that i like i like [TS]

  the suffering alongside him Jason [TS]

  highway 20 30 60 hours ago you and I [TS]

  were talking about the the context [TS]

  switching your big complaint was that [TS]

  the characters on earth didn't seem [TS]

  super well-defined and/or they were all [TS]

  jerks [TS]

  yeah the only time that really bothered [TS]

  me in that fight because I mean I didn't [TS]

  want to hear part of the story from [TS]

  Earth and I don't know how else could [TS]

  have done it [TS]

  yeah i agree i it's cheating [TS]

  and I I'll allow it because it was it [TS]

  was good [TS]

  the chief that I did not think added [TS]

  anything the story and took me out even [TS]

  more was the unnecessary backstory of [TS]

  the piece of fabric or whatever that [TS]

  ends up failing that one yes yes yes I'm [TS]

  sure he was going for but i did not [TS]

  inform me at all [TS]

  it felt very tom clancy ish to be honest [TS]

  with you or you're like I've done [TS]

  research [TS]

  no because tom clancy's books are like [TS]

  that to wear in order to find out how [TS]

  some how some porthole figures he takes [TS]

  you into like the life story of the [TS]

  architect and the tensile strength of [TS]

  tungsten infused whatever and and and [TS]

  and this was this had a lot going [TS]

  forward to where where it was like okay [TS]

  we we get these parts are made in such a [TS]

  way but if you have to do it for all of [TS]

  them or or you kind of have to cut that [TS]

  out and say look sometimes stuff just [TS]

  happens in both the handshaking book man [TS]

  in the moon which is what from the earth [TS]

  to the moon the HBO series was based on [TS]

  and in the the book that Apollo 13 was [TS]

  based on there are sections like that [TS]

  which is low you know essentially here's [TS]

  what probably happened why the explosion [TS]

  happened on Apollo 13 or why the apollo [TS]

  1 deaths happen right and then it's like [TS]

  well there is this and this and Apollo [TS]

  13 it's like there was a spark and it [TS]

  was probably this thing and it was [TS]

  probably just something wrong here and [TS]

  and like the challengers o-rings right [TS]

  you can actually draw that line back to [TS]

  this tiny tiny detail that cascades all [TS]

  the way to having this disaster and [TS]

  that's totally what he was going for and [TS]

  it certainly builds up the tension in a [TS]

  way right where it's like a boy [TS]

  something Bad's gonna happen oh jeez [TS]

  what's it gonna be [TS]

  right right you know another thing is [TS]

  gonna feel right but you know not it [TS]

  doesn't happen with any of the other [TS]

  things and it was yeah i agree it seemed [TS]

  it seemed weird not a place i was gonna [TS]

  say the flipping back and forth I think [TS]

  works and many other instances and in [TS]

  particular and thinking when they first [TS]

  realized that he had for comedic effect [TS]

  or when you first realize that he's [TS]

  still alive and and they think oh my god [TS]

  i can only wonder what he's thinking and [TS]

  I don't want to run up but he's but he's [TS]

  making something absolutely ridiculous [TS]

  is that they keep anything at all about [TS]

  why [TS]

  oh my god I can't believe those jerks [TS]

  left me here [TS]

  no he's watching you know Gilligan's [TS]

  Island reruns [TS]

  yeah that was a great getaway i love it [TS]

  that way [TS]

  yeah I mean it's funny it's funny I [TS]

  don't want to make it seem like this is [TS]

  what we're talking about is some you [TS]

  know engineering nerds fantasy about a [TS]

  trip to Mars [TS]

  I mean it is that but it's not just that [TS]

  and it's not like there are pages of so [TS]

  please consult in the back of the book [TS]

  you'll find several appendices and some [TS]

  diagrams of how it's not like that it [TS]

  could be like that but it's not he does [TS]

  show a lot of his work but it's funny [TS]

  the character is very amusing because he [TS]

  says all sorts of crazy stuff because he [TS]

  is kind of entertaining himself and he [TS]

  doesn't care anymore and that comes out [TS]

  in the voice and you know I its strong [TS]

  I i think i could see how some people [TS]

  might think that it was a little forced [TS]

  but I enjoyed it I felt like this guy is [TS]

  just a character he just not only are we [TS]

  lucky that he's a botanist and an [TS]

  engineer but we're also lucky that he's [TS]

  got a very wacky personality because it [TS]

  wouldn't be much of a book even if he [TS]

  had the other two things you can do all [TS]

  these task competently he was boring [TS]

  wouldn't be much of a book [TS]

  why would why would you write that book [TS]

  so I think if you've got a high schooler [TS]

  who is taking either chemistry or [TS]

  physics you it [TS]

  lob them this book because it's a nice [TS]

  what struck me was how how much of a [TS]

  natural teacher where is a writer and [TS]

  how he walks you through well thanks to [TS]

  this property this is how this has to [TS]

  work and so I'm counting on XYZ and all [TS]

  the chemical reactions he'd details in [TS]

  trying to make water and and trying to [TS]

  Jerry regardless different solutions you [TS]

  could probably sit down with somebody [TS]

  who's to was grasping basic training [TS]

  grass basic chemistry basic physics and [TS]

  go okay look this is your real life [TS]

  example it's better than a word problem [TS]

  and this will probably help you grasp a [TS]

  lot better than sitting in class some [TS]

  reading through your textbook so it's [TS]

  one of those books that makes you feel [TS]

  smarter just really do have it doesn't [TS]

  make sense [TS]

  oh it is a fact yeah yeah there's a [TS]

  crazy number of things that sort of [TS]

  interweave and some of them are 42 it [TS]

  you know a deliberately fortuitous I'm [TS]

  sure but just like the fact that he can [TS]

  make soil because he's using his own [TS]

  poop as and it's ok to use his own poop [TS]

  as well as the poop of the other [TS]

  astronauts that's been out [TS]

  that you know throughout the door [TS]

  because all their bacteria is dead but [TS]

  it's still good organic matter that i [TS]

  can use and i'm already my-my bacteria [TS]

  is already in me so I can eat my own [TS]

  bacteria and i happen to have [TS]

  thanksgiving potatoes and energy s7000 [TS]

  this thing that think the fact that [TS]

  against the world against the potatoes [TS]

  is delightful but not if there's a lot [TS]

  less botany in there compared to the [TS]

  other stuff but you know i'm pretty sure [TS]

  it's because people like well I really [TS]

  don't care about I pulled Mia's genre [TS]

  says it is a genus you it was a lot less [TS]

  but need any other stuff however a lot [TS]

  more botany the most books i read a [TS]

  hundred percent or bought me this was a [TS]

  heavy bunny heavy i would say in but yes [TS]

  with a more heavy with that with [TS]

  electrical engineering and other kinds [TS]

  of engineering and as well as all the [TS]

  astrophysics that goes into it this [TS]

  anybody else find it hard to believe [TS]

  that CNN would have a lost an astronaut [TS]

  today show every day that would be [TS]

  successful in any way i had i find it [TS]

  hard to believe that CNN is on in 10 [TS]

  years yeah that's my that was the one [TS]

  that was the biggest obstacle to believe [TS]

  for me and again like i said i find it [TS]

  really hard to believe that ever was a [TS]

  hundred was uncritically behind this all [TS]

  we've got to get the stranded astronaut [TS]

  home [TS]

  I mean I realized that for the people [TS]

  who are working at NASA that they don't [TS]

  have time for the haters and i'm certain [TS]

  that the guy who's on Mars like the last [TS]

  thing he's concerned about his public [TS]

  opinion but they like even people at [TS]

  NASA they lose i mean not only do the [TS]

  Chinese lose their mission the people at [TS]

  NASA lose a mission to Mars as a part of [TS]

  this because I gotta send the same team [TS]

  back around again to get them but I i [TS]

  absolutely believe that the people from [TS]

  NASA or what it would want to get him [TS]

  back for the most of the wood i think [TS]

  that it's I don't think that you have to [TS]

  accept that nobody is complaining about [TS]

  the fact that they're rescuing this [TS]

  mission but I I'm willing to accept that [TS]

  i don't have to spend any time with a [TS]

  book on them since i'm also you know [TS]

  rooting for the guy who live on Mars [TS]

  yeah as as somebody who actually loves [TS]

  the movie contact i will say i was [TS]

  actually grateful that we didn't have [TS]

  the the senator played by Garry [TS]

  Shandling who says we're spending [TS]

  several billion dollars here on this and [TS]

  it's just one man why don't we just have [TS]

  another mission and you know one man's [TS]

  life it certainly is is worth something [TS]

  but it's not worth billions of dollars [TS]

  and then he met he has imagined [TS]

  patients behind the scenes to try to get [TS]

  them to cancel the mission and at the [TS]

  last minute somebody has a UH a touching [TS]

  emotional response and realizes that [TS]

  damn it we can't leave that man on Mars [TS]

  and they decide i was kind of happy not [TS]

  to have to go through that whole [TS]

  rigmarole right i would have liked to [TS]

  have seen a little bit more political or [TS]

  media theater because again we live in [TS]

  such as we live in such sharply [TS]

  polarized and I an oppositional culture [TS]

  that again the minute that this guy [TS]

  it's discovered that he stranded on the [TS]

  moon you're going to have a thousand [TS]

  people and this is why science doesn't [TS]

  work and you're going to have more [TS]

  people who talk about ethics and and and [TS]

  everybody's going to you take that issue [TS]

  as a cute mouse their own personal hobby [TS]

  horse and ride the point to the ground [TS]

  and then Matthew McConaughey steps from [TS]

  the side and says let's talk about the [TS]

  spiritual aspects of this know you're in [TS]

  the wrong movie get back to contact [TS]

  gonna get back i feel like this nation's [TS]

  in a place where we will receive any [TS]

  message that Matthew McConaughey times [TS]

  to go yeah it's true that the rescue [TS]

  mission to me didn't feel dissimilar [TS]

  from other movies or books about rescue [TS]

  missions that are more military focused [TS]

  where you don't usually see well let's [TS]

  not go in and rescue the know it's late [TS]

  leave no man behind right exactly and so [TS]

  it felt the same mentality that night [TS]

  totally I mean if you accepted CNN's on [TS]

  the air which i get is probably the [TS]

  biggest science fiction leave in the [TS]

  book but I I totally did except they [TS]

  would have a daily show really only [TS]

  thing we try things will be 24 hours of [TS]

  it you know we're recording this when [TS]

  there's you know up a plane that is [TS]

  presumed crash that nobody can find and [TS]

  it's all that its office on CNN all day [TS]

  yeah i just think people get tired of [TS]

  him after after a while but you know I [TS]

  don't know I was jealous of him a little [TS]

  bit once it was it seems like he's gonna [TS]

  probably do ok I was jealous of them for [TS]

  sure what all the hard part was done [TS]

  although actually no because then he [TS]

  gets so at the end I'm like okay we're [TS]

  going to fight we kind of been nice [TS]

  without the spoilers but i'm going to [TS]

  fire off the spoiler for now [TS]

  the inn in the end right he has to strip [TS]

  the rich the return vehicle from the [TS]

  next mission he has to drive all this [TS]

  way and get there has to strip it to [TS]

  make it as light as possible and it's [TS]

  like full holes and he's gonna be aiight [TS]

  into i'm imagining like one of the [TS]

  little rocket ship rides at Disneyland [TS]

  where there's not even a seatbelt and [TS]

  it's just the centrifugal force to keep [TS]

  you down and that seems great because [TS]

  physics or is on your side but then it [TS]

  starts spinning and you're like oh my [TS]

  god I'm gonna get thrown out i'm gonna [TS]

  die or is that just me [TS]

  so this is that it so he's never he's [TS]

  never safe right he's like even to the [TS]

  end it's like oh here we go again [TS]

  and although i didn't feel like it was [TS]

  episodic like prison break we're [TS]

  literally every step that would be a new [TS]

  challenge [TS]

  there were they were interspersed at the [TS]

  end it was like oh man [TS]

  nothing can be easy for this guy at all [TS]

  so he had his harrowing harrowing [TS]

  journey all the way to the last page of [TS]

  this book [TS]

  yeah but they're spread over like 18 [TS]

  months or whatever however i can i'm not [TS]

  even sure how long is it spread over a [TS]

  long period of time when you think about [TS]

  it I just think it's funny that at the [TS]

  end he you know it's just one last kick [TS]

  in the pants yes yes right [TS]

  plus he is on an alien planet [TS]

  this is true and he's got a tarp over [TS]

  the top of his uh his rocket ship [TS]

  I was actually like all the one that the [TS]

  storm first came up and everyone on [TS]

  earth [TS]

  his mom is like oh crap he's heading [TS]

  straight to stormy is no idea like i had [TS]

  to go put down the book and take a [TS]

  moment to collect myself because I was [TS]

  like oh my god no no there's a storm [TS]

  coming for him and how will you no will [TS]

  he notice that's that's effective raw [TS]

  materials like there's a big storm i [TS]

  hope he notices we can talk to him and [TS]

  then you're watching him and you're like [TS]

  come on figure it out figure it out [TS]

  I i just said I'm sure he'll figure out [TS]

  some convoluted engineering way to do it [TS]

  oh he did and now here's here's a [TS]

  detailed explanation [TS]

  well he drove in one direction for a [TS]

  while and I had to be careful when I [TS]

  read this book because like I would just [TS]

  get so tense for him and I was like well [TS]

  it's gonna work apically I doubt people [TS]

  be reading about booking like and then [TS]

  he died 50 yards from the ship that was [TS]

  going to save him be [TS]

  I mean this isn't a Cormac McCarthy book [TS]

  so it'll be fine then but I i did have [TS]

  this debate over whether I [TS]

  wanted him to deliver not and or you [TS]

  know I felt just a moment no no I mean I [TS]

  liked him i wanted him to live in [TS]

  general but i just i was thinking for [TS]

  the good of the story I think what seems [TS]

  to me that he's clearly going to live [TS]

  because that's very even write the book [TS]

  and then have the guy diet and he's gone [TS]

  through so much but I I don't know I [TS]

  jason said he felt like you know up [TS]

  until the last page things are hard for [TS]

  me but I felt towards the end it [TS]

  actually suddenly was surprisingly easy [TS]

  like oh geez i think this way she was [TS]

  walking part that I've you know taking [TS]

  all the parts out of and I I feel like [TS]

  this is never going to work with like [TS]

  everything kind of goes fine during the [TS]

  rescue [TS]

  there's there's there's hiccups but they [TS]

  they rescue him and I I i don't know i [TS]

  wanted something bad to happen to him at [TS]

  least that was beyond just my niece's [TS]

  are Mars i'll right i'll i thought you [TS]

  losing art that's exactly what it is I [TS]

  thought that when he wear an ipad i [TS]

  thought that the army yet on the [TS]

  spacesuit incident should have been [TS]

  foreshadowing that he was gonna end up [TS]

  losing an arm was like I felt like he [TS]

  should have some long-lasting visible [TS]

  star from his journey like I I didn't [TS]

  think he was gonna die at the end I did [TS]

  wonder at one point he was gonna die in [TS]

  the middle and then we're going to have [TS]

  many chapters detailing what happens to [TS]

  get body at the space just like em and [TS]

  then the eyes begin to cave in on [TS]

  themselves and then the bacteria in his [TS]

  gut right and just like an incredible [TS]

  technical details so Scott I'm sensing [TS]

  from you a little bit of hostility [TS]

  toward no hostile toward the lu you seem [TS]

  skeptical about the use of all of the [TS]

  technical details that you you are not [TS]

  as enthusiastic matters as as some i [TS]

  will say that i read the book in like [TS]

  three hours it was certainly what this [TS]

  is not showing off its should I I know [TS]

  how to read and it's a very good huh [TS]

  unlike me unlike me which is fair which [TS]

  is fair i admitted that early on dearie [TS]

  diagonally Scott I do not read i finally [TS]

  it's very fast-paced it is it is a fat [TS]

  already it's obvious you know man vs [TS]

  mars it's very engaging but without that [TS]

  tension i feel like a the technical [TS]

  detail is almost to the point where it [TS]

  overwhelms the entire story [TS]

  it certainly there is almost no [TS]

  characterization in this book other than [TS]

  the main character mark and even he is [TS]

  kind of a cartoon the astronauts that [TS]

  are on the rest of his team are [TS]

  certainly cartoons the the NASA people [TS]

  are even cartoons [TS]

  I mean and so I think the biggest [TS]

  character in the book is probably the [TS]

  ingenuity of market as opposed to his [TS]

  actual characterization is that is that [TS]

  a problem with the book [TS]

  no I i liked it but I didn't think it [TS]

  was like mind-blowing Lee great and as i [TS]

  was reading it I thought this would be a [TS]

  much better movie i think than a book [TS]

  I'm reading which is not a problem [TS]

  obviously and people like the book [TS]

  that's fine [TS]

  they're just wrong but haha i would say [TS]

  it was super fun as opposed to [TS]

  mind-blowing Lee great it was fun and I [TS]

  completely agree that he is and this is [TS]

  one of the points about about him like I [TS]

  mean I think anybody who is who is by [TS]

  themselves for that period of time is [TS]

  going to fall into a deep depression and [TS]

  he does not show any sign mean at one [TS]

  point you think he says that he misses [TS]

  talking to people when the [TS]

  communications breakdown but he you know [TS]

  he doesn't really show that in his and [TS]

  his words because he's constantly [TS]

  cracking jokes so it it does not that [TS]

  does not ring true to me as as far as [TS]

  real people go and I mean that's a lot [TS]

  of fun i also is so it started off as [TS]

  kind of a serial thing and I think that [TS]

  that see realized story and I think that [TS]

  come through i'm certain that the [TS]

  publisher has done a great job of [TS]

  editing it again but I did feel a little [TS]

  repetition about hey remember that thing [TS]

  I did four pages ago which would make [TS]

  sense if it were a serial but it is in [TS]

  fact a novel that I read so I don't need [TS]

  to be reminded of what you just told me [TS]

  the guy i agree i I had fun reading it [TS]

  and and 21 [TS]

  we'll talk about this when we shift over [TS]

  to wonder what are we reading I'd read [TS]

  another book after this that i thought [TS]

  was a much much better book but that [TS]

  book was more much more of a struggle to [TS]

  get through and I could only read so [TS]

  much of it at a time and this I [TS]

  absolutely inhaled it I mean it was it [TS]

  was super fast and fun and there's a [TS]

  place for that [TS]

  in in in in books I really every so [TS]

  often especially if you're like on a [TS]

  beach or something right you you want [TS]

  you want those books that are just fast [TS]

  and enjoyable and they pull you through [TS]

  the story and it's a fun ride and this [TS]

  was that I did Scott have those feelings [TS]

  that that I have from time to time when [TS]

  i'm reading a book where I'm like yeah [TS]

  this i knew i could practically start [TS]

  casting the movie right [TS]

  I think this is a great fun it's a fun [TS]

  book but it will make a good movie or [TS]

  should exactly and I think there are [TS]

  different reasons for people different [TS]

  reasons three different things and this [TS]

  is a fine book to read it's not a you [TS]

  know a work of literature or a [TS]

  staggering it hasn't changed my life in [TS]

  any way but it was a lot of fun [TS]

  could I have lived not reading it [TS]

  probably am I glad I did [TS]

  sure there's a small chance that you [TS]

  couldn't have lived if you hadn't read [TS]

  it so whenever I if if I become stranded [TS]

  on Mars i will probably still just died [TS]

  immediately he quickly there's no way [TS]

  I'm surviving that button [TS]

  Sam Rockwell sam rockwell know ya know [TS]

  he was moving listening [TS]

  yeah he was on the because every even a [TS]

  spaceship is not allowed another one [TS]

  no right without Bruce Willis anybody [TS]

  know I actually think I think I think [TS]

  the casting rules if you've already made [TS]

  one shitty space movies and you're not [TS]

  allowed to be all ready my God we're [TS]

  going to work it's probably Cooper I'm [TS]

  gonna I'm gonna read from together oh my [TS]

  god [TS]

  so we disagree on the casting yeah what [TS]

  about you [TS]

  I I'm hearing a lot of bad-mouthing of [TS]

  the characterizations of many of the [TS]

  non-lead characters not Mar characters i [TS]

  was impressed and surprised by how funny [TS]

  at least one of his crewmates was in the [TS]

  winning when he cocked and then the one [TS]

  of the women from the crew in theory is [TS]

  I am him or emailing him that when he [TS]

  gets to the shape she's going to ravish [TS]

  him and make passionate love to him and [TS]

  then she's like of course no i didn't [TS]

  type that was you know one of the other [TS]

  crewmates instead I thought that crew [TS]

  made who typed on behalf of the woman I [TS]

  thought that was pretty fine [TS]

  yeah it's nice that it's nice that they [TS]

  had some rapport no no it shows that [TS]

  it's that NASA is full of hilarious [TS]

  people who go to the godaddy.com missed [TS]

  astronaut jokesters [TS]

  does anybody believe that NASA is full [TS]

  of really hilarious people i do actually [TS]

  I used to I used to know I need I used [TS]

  to babysit for a physicist who worked at [TS]

  NASA Langley and he was one of the [TS]

  funniest guys ever knew [TS]

  ok ya know this is no like this is back [TS]

  in the eighties and like he and his wife [TS]

  were big into yoga and he played a [TS]

  trombone as a hobby she was a [TS]

  theoretical mathematician and like I [TS]

  never letting him on a long-duration [TS]

  spaceflight names Riker know hehe was [TS]

  not in fact like i was i was 14 and he [TS]

  handed me his collection of kurt [TS]

  vonnegut he was like here read this [TS]

  you'll really enjoy it and you know he [TS]

  was a really funny guy used to voices I [TS]

  just mindprint to be honest my [TS]

  impression was that nasty water voice [TS]

  with my impression was like NASA was a [TS]

  little as a laugh riot with slide rules [TS]

  of you did it because that's all I now [TS]

  probably since I was a mixture of comedy [TS]

  and tragedy if they're slide but it [TS]

  didn't add but but many of them are I [TS]

  mean many of them in the book are [TS]

  missing throw ups and that didn't seem [TS]

  out of character for out of her unlikely [TS]

  i can't remember the name of the [TS]

  scientists of the of the mathematician [TS]

  was asked to calculate one route and was [TS]

  like now wait I think I'll do something [TS]

  completely different and if you don't [TS]

  remember his name now any torture [TS]

  well that's because his basic function [TS]

  was I a math nerd and i'm going to nerd [TS]

  on some math now and and that was pretty [TS]

  much like every character is the author [TS]

  essentially now I like the astronauts [TS]

  who were who had left behind in that we [TS]

  got a little bit more idea of what their [TS]

  dynamic was I end I when I wanted a [TS]

  little more of how miserable it would be [TS]

  to shut up to be shut up in a ship like [TS]

  that with those people for so long but [TS]

  there was some of that it was that the [TS]

  NASA people that are the ones who [TS]

  bothered me because I found them kind of [TS]

  unpleasant but you know that's fine i [TS]

  just i felt the book was much stronger [TS]

  when it was in space [TS]

  what more should we say before we move [TS]

  on to what are we reading does anybody [TS]

  else have any anything they want to [TS]

  bring up about the Martian before we [TS]

  move on just that it's incredibly quick [TS]

  read [TS]

  I mean I guess we've said that several [TS]

  times but you know if you're on the [TS]

  fence [TS]

  it's not like you're making a big [TS]

  commitment [TS]

  it's a great airplane book it's all yeah [TS]

  yeah sure like to [TS]

  I knocked it off in about five hours [TS]

  yeah yeah i mean as long as you're ok [TS]

  with it's not just that you can read it [TS]

  quickly but you're motivated to its you [TS]

  know you want to know what's going to [TS]

  happen and you're not you don't have to [TS]

  spend a lot of time puzzling out [TS]

  people's motives or frankly if you're on [TS]

  the fence and you've listened to this [TS]

  part of the podcast your jerk and you [TS]

  don't you have already spent about half [TS]

  its you know what's gonna happen now [TS]

  don't bother reading in fact don't don't [TS]

  read it if you haven't read on your this [TS]

  parts don't forget you don't deserve to [TS]

  you don't deserve the Martian well a [TS]

  thousand bloggers rise up in opposition [TS]

  I think this podcast is fair [TS]

  Oh relax and I both suggested you don't [TS]

  deserve the Martian as the title we have [TS]

  this one like it when followed right [TS]

  after all right let's move on then [TS]

  so I I mean we'll liked it enough to say [TS]

  other than having listen this far to the [TS]

  spoiler horn and Lex's if you listen [TS]

  this far and you haven't read it you're [TS]

  terrible person you shouldn't but [TS]

  generally we would say we you know you [TS]

  read it was fun [TS]

  your life doesn't depend on it that's [TS]

  got quite rightly pointed out you will [TS]

  not die a lesser person if you don't [TS]

  read it but it's fun it's a lot of fun [TS]

  if you like space stuff i love space [TS]

  stuff if you like space stuff it's [TS]

  fantastic for that it's a lot of fun and [TS]

  it is it is quick [TS]

  you're not going to labor it reading it [TS]

  is quick and fun sound by right [TS]

  yes yes yes Scott looking great [TS]

  yes very well know it was it was fun i [TS]

  just say yeah it's not it's not a [TS]

  fantastically moving work of literature [TS]

  doesn't stand up to a lot of scrutiny so [TS]

  I'm saying I mean the technical factors [TS]

  do but the the craftsmanship of the book [TS]

  itself is not yeah blog posts from an [TS]

  astronaut fake fictional astronaut [TS]

  alright let's move on to what i like to [TS]

  do at the end of the book club which is [TS]

  asked what we're reading or her [TS]

  or have read recently this is always [TS]

  good to see what other things are people [TS]

  are reading rather than you know just [TS]

  talking about the book that we talked [TS]

  about so what are we reading Lex are you [TS]

  reading anything else or did it is this [TS]

  your book for the year [TS]

  no I you I I don't watch movies but I [TS]

  read a lot of i read a lot of books i [TS]

  read it i read a book every night before [TS]

  I mean I don't bow i read i do my [TS]

  reading it right before i go to sleep [TS]

  and so some nights it's like two pages [TS]

  at a time because then I fall asleep but [TS]

  the Martian was one that buck that trend [TS]

  so the book i read before the Martian [TS]

  that i enjoyed this from 2007 by laura [TS]

  lippman called what the dead know it's a [TS]

  actually a very compellingly written a [TS]

  mystery you have a woman who claims to [TS]

  be the long-lost abducted girl from a up [TS]

  the ad abduction of young sisters from [TS]

  many many years ago in Baltimore and she [TS]

  says that she's one of the sisters and [TS]

  she watched her sister's murder and [TS]

  explains where she's been the whole time [TS]

  and people have to try to figure out if [TS]

  she is who she says she is it was really [TS]

  good and then the book that I'm in right [TS]

  now you can date boys when you're forty [TS]

  dave barry on parenting and other topics [TS]

  he knows very little about by dave barry [TS]

  it's really good i woke up my wife [TS]

  laughing out loud to the book and that's [TS]

  always a good sign [TS]

  Wow Dave Dave Barry not not cutting edge [TS]

  funny not coming as you have any [TS]

  Garfield treasuries that you're also [TS]

  teaches this is a plan i'm just came out [TS]

  did this book you can date boys when [TS]

  you're forty was released on march forth [TS]

  well because they're very had a daughter [TS]

  with like his second wife so yeah you [TS]

  know it's like his fourth wife but yes [TS]

  but don't marry Dave Barry at this this [TS]

  is my text messages this morning [TS]

  that's what really wow yeah I they [TS]

  buried the person who maybe want to be a [TS]

  writer so I read all of his books on [TS]

  Anna he's funny [TS]

  don't marry Dave Barry a guide to [TS]

  marriage but with a very finite very day [TS]

  berries guide to marriage [TS]

  I can't believe you gave me the [TS]

  Garfield's there's a brand new book [TS]

  hey you know I had to I had to gene [TS]

  Shalit also has a new book at you should [TS]

  also okay that's a lie [TS]

  good [TS]

  if you like writing it's the right [TS]

  choice [TS]

  good luck thank you my pleasure John [TS]

  Smoltz what are you reading [TS]

  I to two books i'm in the middle of two [TS]

  books right now what is the castle [TS]

  gambit by MC plant which is a science [TS]

  fiction book which I'm enjoying my it's [TS]

  not as you know it [TS]

  okay i don't think there's a book that's [TS]

  easier to plow through the book that we [TS]

  just talked about but it's not as easy [TS]

  to play throws that book but it's good [TS]

  it's a it's enjoyable and then the UH [TS]

  the other book i'm reading is I have a [TS]

  thing about the black death that I like [TS]

  so i'm reading a book I'm reading a book [TS]

  called called and i quote black death by [TS]

  robert s Godfrey which is a ever this is [TS]

  i actually this is only the second book [TS]

  about the black death that I've written [TS]

  written that's later later [TS]

  read your cydia bring the legs [TS]

  this is a more scientific spoiler alert [TS]

  the rats the rats did it explanation [TS]

  explanation of what of what what [TS]

  happened during the black enough [TS]

  have you read domesday book no bio you [TS]

  concerning a town it domesday book by [TS]

  connie willis it's about time travel [TS]

  should go back to the time of the Black [TS]

  Death [TS]

  oh my god it's a good one good it's [TS]

  really likes you like it it's really [TS]

  depressing like those books that we read [TS]

  you know that's what i did not because [TS]

  it is it is of it is of a kind that is [TS]

  about an apocalypse [TS]

  it's not even really happened well the [TS]

  black death was not exactly the [TS]

  feel-good events of the Middle Ages know [TS]

  this is really funny connie willis book [TS]

  you should we call bellwether which [TS]

  actually i have found very useful [TS]

  working online so i would recommend that [TS]

  one too [TS]

  also writing that down yeah alright Lisa [TS]

  what are you reading [TS]

  um I just ripped through two books by [TS]

  Ben H winters the first is called the [TS]

  last policemen and the second one is [TS]

  counter called countdown city they're [TS]

  part of a planned trilogy that focuses [TS]

  on life in New England in the final [TS]

  three months leading up to the date with [TS]

  a comment is expected to slam into the [TS]

  earth [TS]

  alright and they are fantastic because [TS]

  he goes into the economic and social and [TS]

  commercial implications of what happens [TS]

  when you actually do have like a big [TS]

  blinking and date on when when you know [TS]

  everything is you know will end for [TS]

  example they talk about when newspapers [TS]

  stop publishing they talk about what [TS]

  happens with currency radical laws that [TS]

  get past you know with regard to [TS]

  hoarding and guns and things like that [TS]

  and through all of this a lot of towns [TS]

  have just decided you know screw it [TS]

  we're throwing it on police police work [TS]

  because why bother [TS]

  and there's one guy who doggedly [TS]

  persistent being a detective [TS]

  persistent being a detective [TS]

  and trying to find missing people and [TS]

  solve homicides and take care of missing [TS]

  children while this is all going on the [TS]

  only thing that has me where every [TS]

  prayer book number three because i enjoy [TS]

  books wanted to so much and the only [TS]

  thing that has me worried is this guy [TS]

  also has a little sister who is involved [TS]

  in some fringe science group that thinks [TS]

  it has a way to divert the comet and so [TS]

  I kind of worried that the author's not [TS]

  going to have the balls to pull the [TS]

  trigger and have the comments down into [TS]

  the earth and and and kill everybody [TS]

  we've come to know and love and I i [TS]

  really hope that happens as opposed to [TS]

  and then the comment was diverted hooray [TS]

  we're rebuilding but I'm still going to [TS]

  read book number three because i love i [TS]

  love the guys town it's very dry it's [TS]

  it's very funny and it also he does a [TS]

  good job of cataloging the loss that [TS]

  that the fact that it's the erosion of [TS]

  daily rituals in daily things you take [TS]

  for granted that he thinks are actually [TS]

  more devastating than the fact that you [TS]

  know a comments going to plow into [TS]

  indonesia and pick up a huge extinction [TS]

  so I read those on it reminded me of [TS]

  another series i'm about to dive into [TS]

  and there's a young adult series called [TS]

  the last survivor series by season-best [TS]

  Pfeiffer and the first book because it's [TS]

  called life as we know it the dead and [TS]

  gone the world we live in and book [TS]

  number for which I am just about to [TS]

  start associated the moon and basically [TS]

  the premise the series is a comment [TS]

  slams into the moon [TS]

  knocks it out of orbit activates the [TS]

  caldera below yellows below Yellowstone [TS]

  Park and tides go crazy you've got NASA [TS]

  volcano volcanic eruptions and so [TS]

  there's a huge fog and cloud and it's [TS]

  told from the perspective of a couple [TS]

  siblings who are in their teams with [TS]

  with their mom and and basically what [TS]

  happens as as literally every every form [TS]

  of government commerc commerce [TS]

  everything falls down [TS]

  how do you fend for yourself how do you [TS]

  survive water human relationships like [TS]

  the first book is is a rulebook the [TS]

  second book takes place in new york city [TS]

  with a different family and talks about [TS]

  the horror of being trapped in urban [TS]

  environment when you know you basically [TS]

  have no way to live off the land when [TS]

  you live in a six floor walk-up and I'm [TS]

  really looking forward to say how this [TS]

  office works out so so more apocalypses [TS]

  for ELISA I like the pre I really either [TS]

  this apocalyptic fiction [TS]

  the thing I really liked about the last [TS]

  policeman series is it [TS]

  pre-apocalyptic it points out pretty [TS]

  much that disastrous is isn't as much if [TS]

  not more a state of mind as actual [TS]

  circumstances disastrous how human [TS]

  beings respond to circumstances and [TS]

  treat each other subsequently and I [TS]

  think that's a really I think that's a [TS]

  really rich area to mine [TS]

  speaking of disasters a state of mind [TS]

  scotland ltd what are you reading [TS]

  well I will point out that in the [TS]

  uncomfortable number 155 I mentioned the [TS]

  last placement that's something i was [TS]

  reading so good choice ELISA and I will [TS]

  take credit for it even though i'm sure [TS]

  some other I did you like the last [TS]

  policeman do you remember that far back [TS]

  I i like both of them i've read them [TS]

  both and they are very good so check out [TS]

  i will I second Lisa's recommendation [TS]

  and i just finished today [TS]

  blue remembered earth by alastair [TS]

  reynolds who's a science-fiction author [TS]

  who writes these kind of big sweeping [TS]

  space opera books this is the first in a [TS]

  trilogy although i didn't know it was [TS]

  the first in a trilogy Western me how [TS]

  did not have an ending is one of those [TS]

  know it's girl know it it it it ends but [TS]

  it's one of those books that it you [TS]

  could look at it as a self-contained [TS]

  story or if you know that there truly is [TS]

  trilogy is coming it basically just sets [TS]

  up the second book so it was alright [TS]

  with uh I was ok with that especially [TS]

  the second book is coming out soon so [TS]

  I'm excited [TS]

  it's basically a set in 21 60s and you [TS]

  know the UM humanity is a colonize the [TS]

  solar system still takes a long time to [TS]

  get places there are ecological disaster [TS]

  has happened on earth and we fixed it [TS]

  and the world has changed everyone's [TS]

  being watched over by this system of [TS]

  checks and balances that doesn't allow [TS]

  you to break the law but people like it [TS]

  and have given up their privacy because [TS]

  it's a war anymore [TS]

  and it follows this this family of [TS]

  people who have this large kind of multi [TS]

  planetary a company that provides space [TS]

  goods i guess it's better than the way [TS]

  to describe hits space walmart space [TS]

  goods like the astronaut ice cream [TS]

  astronaut ice cream and spam mark and [TS]

  astronauts been it has a and I'd had [TS]

  some very interesting uses of technology [TS]

  to solve the problem of if you are you [TS]

  know humanity has spread across the [TS]

  solar system but you can they haven't [TS]

  broken the speed of light so [TS]

  communication lag between the different [TS]

  planets and it's difficult to hold a [TS]

  conversation when it may take 10 hours [TS]

  to go back and forth between when you're [TS]

  talking so they've come up with these [TS]

  concepts of basically robot telepresence [TS]

  robots that you can kind of jack into [TS]

  and kind of give autonomy to and then it [TS]

  will act as you and then update you [TS]

  later and that comes hunt what you said [TS]

  what you said exactly it acts like it [TS]

  thinks you would act so it's interesting [TS]

  all right you totally told your mom off [TS]

  man over so-called know you're not [TS]

  supposed to well no actually yeah okay [TS]

  all those years all those years you had [TS]

  pent up inside and you finally let go [TS]

  problem solved and Jason are you reading [TS]

  anything of interest [TS]

  why thank you for asking Scott I am I [TS]

  finished the book that I alluded to [TS]

  earlier that i consider much better than [TS]

  the Martian but also was much harder to [TS]

  read is use of weapons by Iain M banks [TS]

  oh that is much better than the motion [TS]

  the third yes is the third in his [TS]

  culture series which is said in a shared [TS]

  universe there's very little crossover [TS]

  between characters although I understand [TS]

  there's some it's a story about a guy [TS]

  who is he's kind of a mercenary he's [TS]

  kind of an assassin or he's deployed by [TS]

  the culture on various planets in order [TS]

  to tip the usually to tip the balance of [TS]

  a war one way or another sometimes they [TS]

  deploy him and expect him to lose [TS]

  something that can become a problem if [TS]

  he's so good that he makes the wrong [TS]

  side win so that's his story and and [TS]

  there's a particular deployment of his [TS]

  that we see and thatthat's told as the [TS]

  book goes forward and its interleaved [TS]

  with chapters those chapters are [TS]

  numbered [TS]

  it's interleaved with chapters that are [TS]

  numbered by Roman numerals and start [TS]

  with a large number and go backward in [TS]

  time so so you'll have 13 and then 12 [TS]

  sorry XII and and and so on and those [TS]

  are going backward in his life and [TS]

  looting to sort of things in his past [TS]

  that explain something about what he's [TS]

  doing now and also set up some mysteries [TS]

  about why he behaves the way he does and [TS]

  he's a very interesting character and [TS]

  the the other characters who manipulate [TS]

  him from the culture are also very [TS]

  interesting and his story is actually [TS]

  kind of shocking and emotional it has a [TS]

  great ending that I didn't see coming [TS]

  and I and we use the weapons at their [TS]

  there's that moment where the title gets [TS]

  dropped in the story which i read on my [TS]

  Kindle and it made me laugh because the [TS]

  set the sentence where the phrase use of [TS]

  weapons is used it's been highlighted by [TS]

  like everybody who read the books like [TS]

  80,000 people highlighted passages like [TS]

  it you found the title good job do you [TS]

  mean I can't believe that you leave [TS]

  those highlights on my brain is [TS]

  exploding [TS]

  I hate the highlights i do i'm [TS]

  fascinated by them and they don't bother [TS]

  me that much I i'm fascinated to see [TS]

  what people highlight it i love it it's [TS]

  like it's like it's like getting a used [TS]

  book in a college bookstore and you're [TS]

  like one of the highlighting what is [TS]

  this note mean I it's kind of fun and [TS]

  you can turn it off but one time I think [TS]

  I got burned it was it the highlight the [TS]

  fact that they have been highlighted so [TS]

  much proved to be a giant spoiler like [TS]

  it was like don't miss this thing so [TS]

  then I turned it off and never look back [TS]

  yeah he felt fine no no you sure didn't [TS]

  die in seven pages the kurt vonnegut [TS]

  novel where characters get an asterisk [TS]

  next to their name we're gonna die the [TS]

  next 20 page is to keep you from being [TS]

  disturbed and it's so disturbing when [TS]

  you get the asterisk know they're gonna [TS]

  die [TS]

  so anyway its use weapons uh it is it is [TS]

  a meaningful phrases know it because [TS]

  that's what this guy does is his living [TS]

  is the expertise in the deployment of [TS]

  weapons and and the cost of it has so [TS]

  it's a it was a very well written very [TS]

  thoughtful kind of amazing book and i [TS]

  would say this is a piece of literature [TS]

  that said I didn't rip through in a [TS]

  couple of days it took a long time to [TS]

  get through it [TS]

  I'm not because it was hard to read the [TS]

  words or anything but it was just it was [TS]

  it was waiting and I didn't feel like I [TS]

  could you know i'd read the chapter and [TS]

  be like okay I'm gonna stop and read the [TS]

  next chapter tomorrow but I liked it a [TS]

  lot and so thank you Scott for being one [TS]

  of the people recommending culture books [TS]

  I've heard what people say that they [TS]

  think this is the best one [TS]

  what do you think it it is very good i [TS]

  like all of his wealth his culture books [TS]

  i haven't read everything all of them [TS]

  are the best more all over the world the [TS]

  best the use of weapons is a amazing [TS]

  book that [TS]

  yeah it's good so i recommend that and [TS]

  then I am now reading the government the [TS]

  Genii which was recommended by Scott I'm [TS]

  perhaps our last book club and I'm like [TS]

  it a lot and it's got a little of the I [TS]

  don't know it's got it reminded me of a [TS]

  bunch of different books reminds me of [TS]

  the of a not the magician's of the [TS]

  what's the book with the night circus [TS]

  yeah reminds me a little bit of the [TS]

  night circus and a little bit of a [TS]

  Jonathan strange & Mr Norrell and a [TS]

  little bit of Michael Chabon kind of [TS]

  stuff it's a lot of fun and there's a [TS]

  golem you see and there's a genie ji ni [TS]

  Jeannie interesting ji ni yeah tell me [TS]

  more [TS]

  so you know golem genie and and it is [TS]

  the golden the genie there was a debate [TS]

  in the last of the club genie in the [TS]

  Golan [TS]

  remember and basically it's a 70 sitcom [TS]

  sets to a novel so it's really great [TS]

  he's a goal of sheezy well he's made a [TS]

  fire and she's made of clay so will he [TS]

  will he glaze her into a pot that some [TS]

  sort of pottery haha woman i'm in the [TS]

  middle I don't know this is the internal [TS]

  tension anyway I'm enjoying it a lot too [TS]

  so that's what i'm reading if it wasn't [TS]

  77.com mom that guy's TV on Mars don't [TS]

  give away the ending picnic way to bring [TS]

  back because all of them are there if I [TS]

  could highlight that I would thank you [TS]

  alright well that that wraps it up we [TS]

  have come to the end of our book club i [TS]

  want to thank my guests for sharing this [TS]

  time talking about the marshal which [TS]

  will take you longer to read than this [TS]

  podcast but maybe not as much but a [TS]

  little bit so John Smoltz thanks for [TS]

  being on a real episode we'll have to do [TS]

  this you know when there's light out in [TS]

  the sky a little bit so that you can do [TS]

  it again sometime [TS]

  just barely alright that's good good [TS]

  promise [TS]

  thank you Lex Friedman great to have you [TS]

  back again [TS]

  always a pleasure Jason thank you thanks [TS]

  for thanks for reading a book that we [TS]

  want to talk about maybe we'll do a day [TS]

  very that's not gonna happen sorry uh I [TS]

  do it on my own pie carry good are you [TS]

  know your dad pop your dad cast dad [TS]

  casters any any of my many back alright [TS]

  we will review the chapters on your [TS]

  daily laughs yeah I guess I already have [TS]

  to do that with him [TS]

  chapter 18 we're talking about it [TS]

  Lisa Schwyzer thank you for always fun [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  yeah this was a lot of fun and as always [TS]

  got Mykelti I've saved you for last [TS]

  thank you thank you for being here [TS]

  you're welcome [TS]

  I don't wanna bug you down too much [TS]

  technical detail because I know you [TS]

  don't like that it's true i like [TS]

  technical detail when it's used [TS]

  judiciously fair enough fair enough your [TS]

  your your opinion has been noted [TS]

  I see where you're coming didn't bother [TS]

  me but there was a lot of it down and it [TS]

  did it with you I in his google talk he [TS]

  was like I really had to resist trying [TS]

  to show all my work like well you fail [TS]

  you have to but you did not he did a lot [TS]

  more work i guess you know that's [TS]

  staggering amount of work [TS]

  alright well that is it for the [TS]

  uncomfortable thanks everybody out there [TS]

  for listening we'll see you next time [TS]