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Ep. 94: "Backburners to Infinity"

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0:00:00hello a John hi Merlin is going pretty

0:00:10good pretty good pretty good little bit

0:00:14sick it's a little early on come on

0:00:17I thought we were over this you know I

0:00:19thought so too but i but I you know I

0:00:21went to the oregon coast i was walking

0:00:23on the beach in the winter in the night

0:00:26and the sick mites got me

0:00:32it blew up my nose flute the flu seems

0:00:36that it's not absolutely that's right

0:00:38but it's not so bad I feel like that but

0:00:41feel like a kind of threw the worst then

0:00:43he sounded pretty good considering

0:00:45yeah i woke up it i went to bed at like

0:00:47I like four o'clock in the morning and I

0:00:51said which is you know which is not

0:00:54doing too good but but a but i but I

0:00:57felt I felt confident it's a new year

0:00:59this this is this four o'clock in the

0:01:01morning thing is not going to be the

0:01:02regular pattern and I was like listen

0:01:05I'm going to sleep 211 and that is going

0:01:08to be seven hours of sleep and that is

0:01:09fine that's a good that's that's how i'm

0:01:13going to run tomorrow and then i woke up

0:01:16at seven forty-five in the morning just

0:01:17just woke right up bolt upright

0:01:21yeah and I was like I walk right up and

0:01:23I was and I was humming a song by whole

0:01:25day it's were little good and I was like

0:01:30ah I hate you forever for mentioning

0:01:34that is not in my head to try to go back

0:01:36to sleep and I made my bed a lion I

0:01:39admit I made my breasts so gross but you

0:01:44know busy day busy i got a lot of stuff

0:01:47going on doing what he's so busy with

0:01:49their people are barely back at work and

0:01:51you're out there is this is part of the

0:01:52new political regime is this your new

0:01:53media the three-point career what's

0:01:56going on

0:01:57that's my media three-point on queries i

0:01:59decided i decided that the the last week

0:02:02of last year that i was going to hire

0:02:06somebody

0:02:07oh you ready for this

0:02:10I can't wait to hear so many things you

0:02:13could use help with i decided that i

0:02:16needed help and that front for so long

0:02:22I've been waiting for help to arrive and

0:02:28help you know help would come around

0:02:31help would come and help would be

0:02:33outside the fence and it would be kind

0:02:34of looking over the fence and I be

0:02:36inside the fence looking koi like a kind

0:02:39of Mary Poppins like you said you needed

0:02:40it like something which show up with an

0:02:43umbrella and will be just what you need

0:02:44it

0:02:45exactly except Mary Poppins never came

0:02:48through the fence and I think I've some

0:02:50of it was I never invited her in some of

0:02:52it was that it you know I i pulled I

0:02:55pulled up the paving-stones who from the

0:02:59gate to the porch it because i was going

0:03:02to redo it and then I then I didn't

0:03:04really do it and then it just became

0:03:05muddy bog i sent a message

0:03:09yeah it does it does i have black people

0:03:11come over and say would you put down

0:03:12some bricks or or paving stones or

0:03:15something it's just like you you're the

0:03:18path from your gate to your house is

0:03:20like is like a trip through the Mekong

0:03:22Delta maybe you should start by having

0:03:25Mary Poppins a stonemason somebody I

0:03:27could start and could really just do you

0:03:29know step 0 next time that is step serve

0:03:32somebody shows up at my house and build

0:03:33their own path to my door

0:03:35that's not my experience any kind of

0:03:37professional help is a little bit like a

0:03:38vampire

0:03:39I mean it'll it'll be there but you have

0:03:41to invite it in the only way you can let

0:03:42the vampire aim is to say please come

0:03:44into the house

0:03:45exactly so so at the end of last year I

0:03:47was like you know what I keep I inv the

0:03:50people I know who have helped I I have

0:03:53all these things that are on back

0:03:56burners I mean this my stove has so many

0:03:58back burners its back burners to

0:04:00infinity and the front burners are just

0:04:03like there's a there's that teapot that

0:04:06i hardly ever use only when guests are

0:04:08over and then the other panels got bacon

0:04:11grease and I think this is common for a

0:04:13lot of people don't wanna get some

0:04:14common John I think a lot of people i

0:04:16know including me suffer from this and

0:04:18people who are trying to accomplish

0:04:19virtually any

0:04:21thing and especially virtually anything

0:04:22on their own quote unquote running these

0:04:25things were like yeah that can wait and

0:04:28right you know where it's absolutely

0:04:32true and and I know about myself that

0:04:34the thing that troubles me a each and

0:04:36every time is not the is not the show I

0:04:40don't have any in him I don't have any

0:04:44apprehension about getting up onstage

0:04:47and putting on a show

0:04:48the thing that inhibits me is the making

0:04:53of the phone call to the guy who's

0:04:56running the lights I don't care I don't

0:04:59want to make the phone call I don't want

0:05:01to talk to the guy that's running the

0:05:02lights and the and that is the phone

0:05:06call that it stands in between me and

0:05:08putting on the show and so the show

0:05:11doesn't get get put on because i don't

0:05:13want to call the guy that's doing the

0:05:14lights and talk to him for five minutes

0:05:16about the stupid light show that is

0:05:19that's the difference between a good

0:05:21showing up in and for me it also then

0:05:23becomes the dread of taking on new

0:05:26enterprises that will require an

0:05:28inevitable waiting for a call from the

0:05:29light guy that's right you think okay do

0:05:31I really want 10 more of these and so

0:05:33the dread is compounded by the fact that

0:05:35everybody I know that has a manager

0:05:37spends twice as much time as they used

0:05:42to spend managing themselves complaining

0:05:44about the poor job that the managers to

0:05:46and everybody I know that has an

0:05:49assistance spends half of the time that

0:05:53spends twice twice the time cleaning up

0:05:55after their assistant but there are a

0:05:58few there are a few examples of people

0:06:00that have incredibly collaborative

0:06:03relationships with the somebody that

0:06:05helps them and the person that helps

0:06:08them is not also trying to be a

0:06:10songwriter or whatever the person that

0:06:14helps them is not also trying to manage

0:06:16michael buble you know there's somebody

0:06:19there is this person in the middle

0:06:22who's like the same scale as me the same

0:06:26realm as me

0:06:29we speak the same language but they are

0:06:31on the side that is like oh called a

0:06:35lighting guy you're kidding

0:06:36done boom and where they got the mind

0:06:40for that kind of thing not mine mine for

0:06:42it they got the mind fourth day they

0:06:44love to do it

0:06:45my sister if you if you have if you have

0:06:48a complaint with a with a with a

0:06:51customer service agent my sister will

0:06:53shoulder you out of the way to make the

0:06:55call for you because she loves dealing

0:06:58with customer service agents it's a dead

0:07:01end and if my sister and I got along

0:07:03better

0:07:03she would be a great manager for you I

0:07:06wouldn't be rejected out of hand maybe

0:07:08you need somebody you don't get along

0:07:09with but he'll understand the problem

0:07:11domain

0:07:11well and this is the big ten years ago

0:07:13if I had it all to do over again invited

0:07:17all to do over again I what about apple

0:07:19stock but if I had it all to do over

0:07:20again I would have invited my sister to

0:07:22be my manager 20 years ago and maybe we

0:07:25would be in a different place now

0:07:26because she mean it that way if that was

0:07:29actually her job she would have woken me

0:07:32up the next day and been like what the

0:07:33fuck you doing

0:07:34he's sleeping he's sleeping for a little

0:07:37while what am I supposed to man i'm

0:07:38supposed to manage you sleeping

0:07:40get up you know and we would have been

0:07:42on it that we would have been so we'd be

0:07:44somewhere else now anyway so today I'm

0:07:47having a meeting with some people who

0:07:52are going to help me find some other

0:07:55people who are going to help me aahh

0:07:58this is exciting because i think you

0:08:01you're doing something smart i was going

0:08:02to offer you advice but you're way ahead

0:08:03of me i think one way a lot of these

0:08:05things go wrong and I think you

0:08:07we've talked about this you know this

0:08:08one thing that goes wrong sometimes is

0:08:10hiring is being too abrupt about hiring

0:08:13a person who is either cheap familiar a

0:08:16fan of something but making some kind of

0:08:18a rookie mistake about bringing somebody

0:08:20in and that's what leads you into having

0:08:21to like manage a person it you know if

0:08:24you went out to hire a plumber you

0:08:26wouldn't care if they're familiar with

0:08:27your work you would get somebody who's

0:08:29just really good at the loop

0:08:31right and and so in this case you have

0:08:33you have a blue ribbon panel is going to

0:08:35help you exact find the right person

0:08:37looking if I could ask if you can say if

0:08:39you know and can say are you looking for

0:08:42more of a manager or more of an

0:08:44assistant

0:08:45well here's the thing so as I was as I

0:08:48was conceiving of this person I'm like

0:08:50what do i want i want someone who is

0:08:53half the time an assistant and who does

0:08:57not balk at assistant work and yet

0:09:03aspires to grow with me into a position

0:09:09where they are doing managerial work and

0:09:14I know for a fact that the thing that

0:09:17inhibits me most about doing anything is

0:09:20that is the dread I feel about the

0:09:24process of finding a person not

0:09:26miserable

0:09:28I don't want to think about it so I

0:09:31called a friend that I knew was too busy

0:09:35to help me and I said hello friend that

0:09:39too busy to help me and yet is an office

0:09:41manager for a non-profit right so has

0:09:45the skills and i said hello friend

0:09:47I know you're too busy to do this work

0:09:49will you help me find somebody to help

0:09:52me do this work

0:09:54and this was like the type of thing that

0:09:57she excels at tune and so she is now

0:10:01embarking on a project of interviewing

0:10:05people on my behalf so that she can find

0:10:11three candidates that then I can talk to

0:10:14and pick pick up one of while right and

0:10:19so what I'm looking for and this is the

0:10:20thing i have and the other thing I'm

0:10:22grappling with is now i have to be

0:10:23prepared to pay this person for the work

0:10:28that they do I have to be able to pay i

0:10:30have to be well it's not an ability to

0:10:32pay i have to be willing to pay them

0:10:34like a and I have to discover them the

0:10:41way that I'm going to pay them and the

0:10:43amount that i'm going to pay them right

0:10:44there is co measure it with the work and

0:10:49it's all very it's all very new and

0:10:51exciting and then the working conditions

0:10:53would be working conditions such a

0:10:57fantastic that's true there's such a

0:10:58thing as a pay they get to talk to me

0:11:01and hear my ideas in the full freshness

0:11:05wow moment they are conceived that's a

0:11:09benefit

0:11:10I knew a guy and I I can't decide if

0:11:13this is super douchey kind of smart or

0:11:15something else but he embarked on this

0:11:17particular kind of experiment as well

0:11:19and for the first I remembering this

0:11:24correctly I think what he did was hired

0:11:26in your case went out and hired all

0:11:28three from month and then discovered

0:11:32fairly clearly them against each other

0:11:34maybe the five shirtless and effective

0:11:36through a knife on the floor and said

0:11:38one of you is going to be my brand of

0:11:39you get the pool cue now but i mean i-i

0:11:43me according to know

0:11:44according to know for most douchebags

0:11:45everything works according to them but

0:11:47in this case of the things you'd expect

0:11:49but um but you know that's kind of

0:11:50person has a system let's be honest you

0:11:52but if you were to hire several people

0:11:54you would also learn fast you would

0:11:57learn fast how to deal with people and

0:11:59just give up the fact that for a month

0:12:00and a half you're just gonna be a

0:12:01manager that's going to get you to be

0:12:03annoyed you'll discover whether you can

0:12:04deal with this situation but

0:12:06bet you will discover within a week and

0:12:08a half at the outside which one of these

0:12:11people is most likely work out for you

0:12:12and then consequently whether you can

0:12:14afford them because they're that good

0:12:15you know saying you could offer to give

0:12:18somebody an e3 people eat un dollars

0:12:21freedom for two weeks right unless

0:12:23they're looking for some kind of bigger

0:12:25commitment but I mean you might learn a

0:12:26lot by doing that I mean the problem is

0:12:28it takes takes so you know I hate that

0:12:30were training people but it takes so

0:12:32long to acclimate somebody to the way

0:12:34that you work right and no one

0:12:37distinction this is really fast I'll but

0:12:39one distinction between an assistant

0:12:40manager and assistant is somebody who

0:12:42you pay to learn how to work for you and

0:12:46how to make and how to do the stuff that

0:12:48you need them to do but a great manager

0:12:50in some ways somebody tells you what you

0:12:52need to be dealing and then helps you to

0:12:54do it and the thing is i the the all the

0:12:56great managers that I have known are

0:12:59ones that came up with the band and they

0:13:04were the they were the fifth Beatle

0:13:05their dicks some of them are the worst

0:13:09ickle some of them are the fucking worse

0:13:11but there are a few of them who were

0:13:14just like the heat they were the the

0:13:16roommate of of the guitar player and

0:13:20they didn't play guitar but they were

0:13:21like i'll i'll make the t-shirts or

0:13:23whatever and and they learn the whole

0:13:25process as the band is learning the

0:13:27process and so they learn the band's

0:13:30process as the band is learning it and

0:13:33they become incredibly effective

0:13:35managers because they're members of the

0:13:37family

0:13:37absolutely because there they have a

0:13:39slightly different view port into it

0:13:41being you know these Ivy they're looking

0:13:42for where the money is going to come

0:13:43from if they're able to introduce course

0:13:47corrections sometimes painful course

0:13:49corrections but to introduce those

0:13:51before it becomes a problem right

0:13:52instead of realizing oh my gosh you know

0:13:55we're going to be able to finish this

0:13:56tour because we're not gonna have money

0:13:58based on these gigs that got cancelled

0:13:59they can find other gigs or they could

0:14:01say well here's here's harriers like

0:14:03three options for how to deal with this

0:14:04next I think this one is really good and

0:14:06I can help you do it and because they're

0:14:08not not sitting there being the dumb

0:14:09drummer god bless them like that that

0:14:11could be somebody whose heads in a

0:14:12slightly different area of the business

0:14:14well so right now i want to start doing

0:14:17a show

0:14:17Oh a week here in Seattle

0:14:22oh yeah the run of at the rendezvous

0:14:23small shall we

0:14:25and here's what I need I need somebody

0:14:26to call the rendezvous and suggest this

0:14:28idea to them thats it thats good test

0:14:31that's the first one right and that is a

0:14:33job that is not exactly an assistant job

0:14:36because you have to call the place with

0:14:39a certain amount of proprietary

0:14:42arrogance like you have to be able to

0:14:46cut you don't call a place like the

0:14:47rendezvous which is there like a shitty

0:14:49little tiny dive bar and beg them for a

0:14:54spot you have to call and say renowned

0:14:58international artists of stage and then

0:15:00pod John Roderick wants to do a show

0:15:04here once a week i'm not saying that you

0:15:07guys should be grateful but that might

0:15:12be a place to start little gratitude

0:15:13that i'm calling you today

0:15:15you know like you need to you need to

0:15:17set the you need to set the relationship

0:15:19up in that the tone in the first phone

0:15:21call but i also need this person after

0:15:25they've and i'm presuming that the

0:15:27rendezvous is going to be thrilled about

0:15:28this and they're gonna they're gonna

0:15:30agree that they coming coming right in

0:15:33the book like everyone else i don't know

0:15:36i think the book is gone my big its

0:15:38online now

0:15:39mm it's all about Peters no but then I

0:15:42need somebody to actually sit at the

0:15:43door and take the five dollars from

0:15:46every person and I New York the arch

0:15:48table but work the merch table get the

0:15:50get the names down in a in a book that

0:15:53is and and run the ticket sales for the

0:15:56next show

0:15:57so the that's it say it is a

0:15:59constellation of skill sets right

0:16:02there's the there's the merch table set

0:16:04which is one thing and there's the you

0:16:07know it's all in the family right so I'm

0:16:09looking for somebody and I'm and and two

0:16:12if i find this person if i find this

0:16:14right person I feel like I have so much

0:16:19stuff on the back burners

0:16:22that in the next six months i could say

0:16:25okay now what about this now i can you

0:16:28handle this now what about this can you

0:16:29get this going and you're gonna have a

0:16:31person could take all that on and it

0:16:33would not need to be overwhelming for

0:16:34them right and I feel like I feel like

0:16:37they could double my income in a year

0:16:40just because because that because of all

0:16:44the money i leave lying around you it's

0:16:47just like Oh would you help me do this

0:16:49yes boom and so if they are able to

0:16:52double my income in a year i am like I

0:16:55would be into paying them a percentage

0:16:59of what I make I mean I would be ready

0:17:01to start treating them like a manager

0:17:03right away because i think the i think

0:17:08the the fruits would be right there it

0:17:12would be the platter of fruit in pretty

0:17:16short order

0:17:17um but that said I've dealt with a lot

0:17:24of people and the the right person is

0:17:30like you say not maybe the person that

0:17:33knocks me out in the interview or maybe

0:17:37not the you know like that's a it's a

0:17:39job you evolve into a night and I really

0:17:42you know the problem with the this this

0:17:46interview with three people because i'm

0:17:49going to do i'm gonna be my dad when I

0:17:50walk into that interview i am going to

0:17:52instantly try and charm them you know

0:17:55that the interview is going to be i'm

0:17:57going to act as though it is an audition

0:18:01like a Hollywood audition of me I'm

0:18:03innocent man walking to be like hello

0:18:05nice to meet you swell sit down no

0:18:08please make yourself compliments like be

0:18:10performing a version of myself for these

0:18:14kids

0:18:15presumably kids made you know about my

0:18:18brother and my dad is a perfect example

0:18:20my mom was telling me about there's at

0:18:23least one 62-year old Chinese man that

0:18:26well that's the thing she said you're so

0:18:28awesome

0:18:29my mom said your father you're imagining

0:18:3122 year old girls with fingerless gloves

0:18:35so is sixty-something Chinese man how's

0:18:37everything with a green visor that I

0:18:40already called the round

0:18:42I've already got more coffee coming up

0:18:44Mia I know the guy my mom said your

0:18:48father had a had throughout her life a

0:18:51succession of secretaries that saved his

0:18:57life over and over and over again every

0:19:00penny he made he made because he had he

0:19:05always had a great secretary and she

0:19:08always made the phone calls and she

0:19:10always as he's rushing out the door

0:19:13throwing on his his trench coat in his

0:19:15hat they always you know stopped him at

0:19:19her desk and said David David I just

0:19:21need you to sign this one thing and he

0:19:24would go home we are made sign it and

0:19:26that piece of paper would be the thing

0:19:28that kept the lights on right and what

0:19:34when my dad was when he was in his

0:19:37seventies he had a secretary who was

0:19:40like oh what's your what's your

0:19:42retirement plan and my dad said uh-huh

0:19:47I don't know um well I've got an Audi i

0:19:50could probably sell that uh what else

0:19:57and she was like seriously you don't

0:19:59have a you know you have no retirement

0:20:01he was like uh-oh i'm gonna live forever

0:20:04and she in between her other work back

0:20:13in an era of like licking stamps

0:20:16envelopes she put together that his

0:20:20wartime service his time in the

0:20:24legislature his time working for the

0:20:27Alaska or the first for the federal

0:20:29government in Alaska his time working

0:20:33for the Democratic Party in Washington

0:20:35all this uh he was you know all all of

0:20:38his work

0:20:41so much of it was government work that

0:20:43it when you filled out all the forms it

0:20:48added up to a government pension as

0:20:53though he had worked for the federal

0:20:54government for 45 years and she did all

0:21:00this you know she wrote the Veterans

0:21:03Administration and asked for his records

0:21:06and it turned out that when he first

0:21:09enlisted in the Navy when he first

0:21:12enlisted in the naval ROTC they spelled

0:21:15his name one way and when he joined the

0:21:16maybe they spelled his name another way

0:21:19and so she had to find those two records

0:21:22and write the Department of the Navy and

0:21:25get them put together and wrote all

0:21:29these letters over the course of five

0:21:31years she's just always just constantly

0:21:33just sending letters to various

0:21:36government agencies and in the end she

0:21:39put together his retirement that

0:21:44absolutely he I mean had she had it not

0:21:48been for her

0:21:49my dad would have been living in a

0:21:52shopping cart i squared or he would have

0:21:55been living in his audi and as it was

0:21:58you know he retired and and and you know

0:22:01and of course he acted as though her

0:22:06government remember you know he like

0:22:08didn't he was great things that you're a

0:22:10menace amount of initiative synthesis

0:22:13and follow through

0:22:14yeah the initiative to like be aware

0:22:16what's out there synthesize that

0:22:17information and then follow through with

0:22:19a freaking government agency to make

0:22:21sure you get what you need out of it

0:22:22yeah and that work that work had to be

0:22:25personally gratifying to her in a way

0:22:27that people that love spreadsheets you

0:22:30know like get the act of tracking and

0:22:33researching it's you know it's a

0:22:35librarian mentality of like I'm going to

0:22:37find this and I know how to write the

0:22:40thing and I'm going to get it and then

0:22:43when i get it i'm going to put it with

0:22:44this other thing you know but also like

0:22:46a tremendous amount of love for him

0:22:50that she would have spent this time you

0:22:55know as well as she could have just been

0:22:58punching a clock on this job but she's

0:23:01doing this work that's gonna you know

0:23:03that that is that pays off for him after

0:23:06he's after they've parted ways like

0:23:08she's still alive I'm sure she's working

0:23:11somewhere maybe she's retired but she

0:23:13like did this work on behalf of my dad

0:23:15and according to my mom through his

0:23:17entire career

0:23:18the one thing he knew how to do was hire

0:23:21a secretary that would that that could

0:23:26run his business and his life and she's

0:23:28telling me this I'm like oh fuck it's

0:23:33the one thing I need to learn how to do

0:23:35right

0:23:36I don't need to learn how to call the

0:23:38rendezvous I need to learn how to hire a

0:23:40secretary

0:23:44how'd you come up with the test

0:23:49well I was just thinking I mean one idea

0:23:51is to have a fairly simple as simple to

0:23:55describe task that ends up having unseen

0:23:58complexities and then see how they

0:23:59handle and I'm thinking here

0:24:00higher higher zero number one you don't

0:24:03get Jason Finn to pretend to be somebody

0:24:05and then have them have to deal with him

0:24:07haha so you know there's a your dog

0:24:13here's the bird i need you to go and and

0:24:15get whatever it is it could be that you

0:24:17need new uniforms for the band and he is

0:24:19the quote unquote you know not for

0:24:22supply guy

0:24:23it could be that he runs the rendezvous

0:24:24it could be whatever it is but you can

0:24:26come up with some kind of a basic

0:24:27challenge where he would respond in

0:24:29certain inscrutable ways and then you

0:24:31see how they handle it

0:24:32mm and he could give you a frank you

0:24:35know recounting of how it went well that

0:24:40you know I that's a good idea and he

0:24:42would be he would definitely be a good

0:24:44you can you do that for a living it's

0:24:46interesting you know as you said that I

0:24:48pictured him suddenly with a with a tape

0:24:50measure around the neck of his shirt and

0:24:52a pair of glasses down the end of his

0:24:54nose and I realized that's what he

0:24:56actually is jason is actually a tailor

0:24:59he's like Taylor that's that that front

0:25:02of shop that is really like an OSS I

0:25:06like underground huh

0:25:08he's the tailor of panama you come in

0:25:12you pull back on one of the mannequins

0:25:14in a big door opens and there's like a

0:25:15cave full of weapons

0:25:17well but so but the but the tax that the

0:25:21the litmus test what I fear is that that

0:25:28I have to pass right attacked the test

0:25:32which is like I have a friend who has a

0:25:34very very very good relationship with

0:25:38his assistant who has now kind of

0:25:41transitioned into being his partner and

0:25:45when they first started working together

0:25:48it was very much in the seat that the

0:25:51assistant was very much in an assistant

0:25:53role and when and during that time when

0:25:58the assistant was still young and

0:26:00precocious and wet behind the ears the

0:26:04assistant did a lot of things that I as

0:26:08a bystander was like this kid is a is a

0:26:12unit he's callo this guy's a dingaling

0:26:17he's a dingaling and my friend was like

0:26:19yeah well he does these things for me so

0:26:22whatever and then I was you know but I i

0:26:27can never sky can never keep myself from

0:26:29giving an unsolicited opinion and so

0:26:30repeatedly I said to him in this

0:26:33assisted you got to get rid of this guy

0:26:35he's just he doesn't reflect well on

0:26:37because he's a daily then my friend was

0:26:41much more sanguine is like yeah well he

0:26:45gets the stuff done so what you know

0:26:47doesn't matter to me if I don't I don't

0:26:50care if people think he's a tingling and

0:26:54there was one particular instance where

0:26:55the assistant got drunk shit-faced drunk

0:26:59at an event

0:27:02and if it if it had been me I would have

0:27:06read this kid the riot act the next day

0:27:09I would have embarrassed him up and down

0:27:12what the hell you think you're doing

0:27:14getting drunk in a thing like that you

0:27:16know that looks you know I would have

0:27:18liked taking it as an opportunity to

0:27:20teach this kid a life lesson and it

0:27:24would have left a bad taste in

0:27:25everybody's mouth and it would have been

0:27:28paternalistic and I would have been

0:27:33completely justified in doing it but

0:27:36what ended up happening is the kid was

0:27:43in bear uh in in actual life this actual

0:27:47person was embarrassed he be realized on

0:27:50his own without being yelled at that he

0:27:54needed to get better and he became more

0:27:59professional pretty quickly as he grew

0:28:06into his job and now he is an eighth now

0:28:11he is an incredibly professional useful

0:28:15partner and part of that

0:28:20self-determination on his part and the

0:28:25self actualization of himself in that

0:28:27role self-awareness in humility was

0:28:30entirely due to the fact that no one

0:28:32ever yelled at him and no one ever

0:28:35lecture him about why the blah

0:28:37he discovered in himself and that's how

0:28:40he grew and became a man and i watch

0:28:44that happen in this relationship with my

0:28:46friend and realize that i would have

0:28:48inserted myself into that process right

0:28:51as a pedagogue over and over and I would

0:28:56have fucked it up

0:28:57I would have fucked the kid up i would

0:28:58have fucked the relationship up because

0:29:01I would have been trying to micromanage

0:29:02his transition into adulthood or not

0:29:06micromanage but like guide and Shepherd

0:29:08and

0:29:09mentor you you would have made it all

0:29:12about your own emotions instead of what

0:29:14that person actually needed in terms of

0:29:16personal development

0:29:17yeah right this kid got drunk at an

0:29:18event so what the next day he was

0:29:21embarrassed and he talked to some other

0:29:24people about it and they were like yeah

0:29:26you were pretty wasted and he was

0:29:29embarrassed and when he went and talked

0:29:33to his boss the guy who he works for

0:29:35black I didn't say anything about it he

0:29:39just was like well we get to go where we

0:29:41have to get done today and the kid made

0:29:44his own move and the you know and the

0:29:47boss was the boss character in this role

0:29:51was relieved not only of the of the duty

0:29:56of all the unhappiness and that is the

0:30:02interview that i don't know if i can

0:30:05pass route right how do i empower and

0:30:08assistance to make mistakes and not you

0:30:15know and not my in my own way freak out

0:30:19and lose it so your little what antsy

0:30:22about how my go today because you want

0:30:24to make sure you're up to the task to

0:30:25well yeah I mean so everything that's

0:30:29happened in the last six months since I

0:30:31stopped eating wheat since I went on all

0:30:36kale diet since I discovered Scientology

0:30:39since Jesus came into my life everything

0:30:44that's happened for the last six months

0:30:45I have been wondering I've been looking

0:30:47at myself and I've been saying is are

0:30:50you just in a manic phase you've been

0:30:55you've been on this train your whole

0:30:57life

0:30:58six months on six months off and when

0:31:00you are manic you sleep four hours a

0:31:03night and you every idea seems great

0:31:06and you go out in the yard and you plant

0:31:08tulips everywhere and then six months

0:31:13later and all turns to shit and you know

0:31:19and your yard is just this riot of fun

0:31:22pruned tulips and you're just in the

0:31:27bathtub like whistling Dixie

0:31:29how do I know that I'm not how do i know

0:31:34i'm not just setting up a bunch of manic

0:31:38like sand castles and I'm gonna get a

0:31:44hunky kept his assistant i'm going to

0:31:45get all this stuff going on and then I'm

0:31:48yeah and and in reality i'm just having

0:31:50an episode

0:31:51yeah well yeah I wasn't thinking about

0:31:59what it is that you really want to do

0:32:00your talking about you know it's almost

0:32:02like you don't see it being a parent but

0:32:04you're looking for an opportunity to get

0:32:07some help but also grow in some ways

0:32:09like you it in my own words what i would

0:32:11say is that you know I've realized that

0:32:13I'm not a good manager i would

0:32:15theoretically like to be a better

0:32:16manager but every time I've tried to do

0:32:18anything management-related I failed

0:32:20horribly because it's really boring it's

0:32:22not fun it's not what i like to do and I

0:32:25feel like it's a huge derail from

0:32:26everything I should be doing so I do

0:32:27nothing instead and then lifestyle back

0:32:29burners again but but you know to get

0:32:31the right person for this job you need

0:32:32somebody who's not just I mean in my

0:32:34tiny bit of experience with this my the

0:32:37the i could write almost every failure

0:32:39down to the fact that i just did not do

0:32:41a good job of training and communicating

0:32:43andrey communicating and retraining and

0:32:45and not correcting but like just showing

0:32:47like well more like this like that

0:32:49that'sthat's we know it's really simple

0:32:51right i mean I somebody if somebody

0:32:52working your restaurant and didn't know

0:32:54how to cook you and just yell at him all

0:32:56the time you would just let them make

0:32:57crap it's a not so much salt

0:32:59yeah more like this like the right and

0:33:01so it fits for what you're really trying

0:33:02to work towards which is somebody who's

0:33:04on the track to becoming a management or

0:33:06partner type person someday

0:33:09it requires really requires you to have

0:33:13a really so certain kind of personality

0:33:14but also to know what it is that you

0:33:16want because

0:33:16you find somebody who's super organized

0:33:18and really likes Excel spreadsheets

0:33:20they're gonna they're gonna get really

0:33:21frustrated if you're constantly changing

0:33:23the game or not answering the phone or

0:33:25so that's something that I like it is

0:33:27clear i need help but what I need the

0:33:31what I need most is that I am helping

0:33:34people but I and that is what I don't

0:33:38know can I beheld the project is really

0:33:41to make you help people can I hire

0:33:43somebody to learn to teach me to be

0:33:45helpful chance the win for everybody

0:33:47it would be if you became more i think

0:33:49about it not you at all of us if we all

0:33:51became or more helpful

0:33:54yeah well this is the thing about about

0:33:56your in my program we are trying to help

0:33:58people

0:33:59yes and we have seen over and over that

0:34:01some people are very helpful and some

0:34:04people are less helpful

0:34:06yeah and it's not going to deter us from

0:34:09helping the people who can and should be

0:34:11helped but really what we really want is

0:34:15to help the people that can't be helped

0:34:17oh I think that i think that's that's

0:34:20really that is deep in your DNA is to is

0:34:23to help us helpful it is I need to I i

0:34:26need somewhere inside me i need to help

0:34:28the people that cannot be held at jeans

0:34:30were done talking and hi I'm realizing i

0:34:35am one of those people

0:34:36I need to I need to learn to be helped

0:34:39the call is coming from inside the John

0:34:40that's really something

0:34:43cry me Pete so today is gets going to be

0:34:47very interesting is gonna be a big day

0:34:48I'm gonna go sit in a coffee shop my

0:34:51native environment and I'm gonna have

0:34:53people who know how to make phone calls

0:34:55and uh and turn on computers i'm going

0:35:00to have them tell me that there is a

0:35:03plan and then i'm going to try and

0:35:05figure out what i need to do what do I

0:35:08need to do and maybe the answer is

0:35:11nothing yet

0:35:13you know maybe what I do next is nothing

0:35:16yet because you're not ready you're not

0:35:18helping enough yet yeah what is

0:35:19happening now what's happening is that I

0:35:21am watching things unfold and things are

0:35:25going to you know like and yet i'm not

0:35:28i'm not waiting anymore you know like

0:35:32yeah I want this to happen i'm i'm gonna

0:35:34go forward posture well so I i am i'm

0:35:39not crazy about people who are really

0:35:42into Lake tricky interviews and tricky

0:35:45questions and you know kobayashi Marie

0:35:48situations all those Chinese finger trap

0:35:50shiny now if you got a 62 year old

0:35:53Chinese man but I don't want to be ping

0:35:55pong but you know what you could one

0:35:57thing you could say you don't be too

0:35:58cute but one thing you could say

0:35:59especially if you're interviewing one

0:36:01person at a time is to say hey look i'm

0:36:02new to this i'm not saying that to avoid

0:36:05criticism I'm saying that to ask for

0:36:07help

0:36:07what are you most worried about and if

0:36:09you if we if you took this job

0:36:11what do you think would be the biggest

0:36:11pain-in-the-ass and dealing with me and

0:36:13then how could you help me get better at

0:36:14that is how they respond could be kind

0:36:18of the instructive you see how honest

0:36:21they are you know it's always feel like

0:36:22what's your biggest although it's really

0:36:24that i'm so excited too generous

0:36:26everything that i really don't really

0:36:30want to pay attention to how many things

0:36:31I truly am quite outstanding at up fault

0:36:35i have to admit

0:36:36hmm i don't know i don't know but the

0:36:39problem is like it maybe the hire three

0:36:41people and get them to talk to Jason

0:36:43Finn the Panama Taylor maybe that's a

0:36:45good step stage two but you need to

0:36:48first find your own comfort level you do

0:36:50you need to be you need to you know and

0:36:52have a coffee shop in your mind and make

0:36:53sure that you're comfortable with who

0:36:54you're dealing with

0:36:55because you don't want to make it a

0:36:57thing you don't want this to turn out

0:36:59shitty and then you don't want to do it

0:37:01again and now you're back in your right

0:37:03of tulips

0:37:04right right right I that's not what I

0:37:05don't nobody wants that nobody benefits

0:37:07from that that's not growth i want to

0:37:09and and the thing is that part of my

0:37:14ambition is that you know this is this

0:37:18is one of these middle-aged problems

0:37:19when I wake up I wake up now and the

0:37:22first thought that comes into my head

0:37:23and how is not it's no longer like

0:37:26I'm gonna write a rock opera that's

0:37:27gonna make every woman in the world see

0:37:29how wrong she was first and noble that's

0:37:35Nick's first thought that popped into my

0:37:38head now is your goodbyes

0:37:40you're gonna be said you were mean to me

0:37:43that mean anything to you

0:37:44all women are going to be said that one

0:37:48woman was made to be no the first

0:37:51thought that pops into my head now is if

0:37:53I don't get these thoughts out of my

0:37:54head i will die and they will go to

0:37:57their go to my grave with me like no

0:38:00pressure

0:38:01yeah i have i have seen some shit i have

0:38:05seen attack ships on fire off the

0:38:07shoulder of Orion that's right and if

0:38:09and ears in the race ice cream hot want

0:38:12i do not want there's some of that stuff

0:38:15I don't want to have lost and that and

0:38:21you're saying something kind of

0:38:22important here you're saying that you're

0:38:24starting to actually take your work more

0:38:26seriously you're taking the quotation

0:38:28marks off of the art and you want to be

0:38:29a fucking gentleman about making some

0:38:31stuff but you can't do that as long as

0:38:33you got too many tulips on the back

0:38:34burner

0:38:35well this is the thing about being a

0:38:36maker of things i say you know i i'm i'm

0:38:39always engaged in this conversation with

0:38:40people inside the somebody asked me to

0:38:43write an article for Esquire the other

0:38:45day they are higher

0:38:47[Music]

0:38:51they said they said it seems like the

0:38:59internet is getting worse

0:39:00you seem like just the kind of crank

0:39:02that would have an opinion about that

0:39:03would you write an article about how the

0:39:06Internet is getting worse

0:39:07oh boy I said remember wheelhouse you

0:39:11know what if there's anything we need we

0:39:13need more podcast about comics and more

0:39:15articles about what's wrong with the

0:39:16internet magazine articles on the on

0:39:20esquire.com you take 1 i'll take the

0:39:22other haha so i'm writing this thing

0:39:25it's that you know I'm just I'm I'm some

0:39:27playing the singing saw again

0:39:30how do you know there was a talk about

0:39:36how the Internet is getting worse and

0:39:39now you know like talking about art is

0:39:41not making art and you know and I

0:39:46realized like you really considering

0:39:51writing an article for Esquire magazine

0:39:54related to the internet about how

0:39:56talking about art is not making art are

0:39:58you fucking kidding me

0:39:59not only not only am i considering it i

0:40:03have done it haha ok but I'll always

0:40:09look forward to the hat but i'm thinking

0:40:12i'm in civil union I'm like I'm here and

0:40:16here i am again what is it that I make

0:40:19like what do I make i watch these videos

0:40:21online all the time about get to get you

0:40:24know like you ego dr. Billy Duffy from

0:40:26the cult about his guitar rig and he's

0:40:29standing on a darkened stage with some

0:40:32guy up holding a microphone Adam and the

0:40:34guys like so tell us about your

0:40:36pedalboard Billy Duffy was like oh well

0:40:39oh that's I got a distortion box over

0:40:43here

0:40:44it kicks it with his foot minute delay

0:40:47pedal and you know Billy Duffy that's

0:40:49what Billy Duffy does he plays the

0:40:51guitar by what witnesses other cult

0:40:54I'm sorry him and you know be talking

0:40:59about that little make major scale

0:41:01descending things

0:41:02doesn't she still thinks oh yeah I could

0:41:06die now I know exactly camp and pedals

0:41:09Wow and this is one of the chorus

0:41:11that's right he uses it rolling they see

0:41:14that that's a signature self but you

0:41:20know what I could stand up there

0:41:21somebody pointed the camera me I could

0:41:22stand up there and tell you about my

0:41:24pedalboard and they would be and and I

0:41:26would happily do it but there are other

0:41:29things I want to tell people about to

0:41:30and how do i do it and does it is what i

0:41:36do is what I have to say next

0:41:38does it rise to the level of art or is

0:41:42it crash

0:41:43left or is it is it just like art

0:41:47buchwald love is it gene Shalit Larry

0:41:52King if it isn't Larry King like all of

0:41:54these guys I mean there are there are

0:41:56guys who have a who have made a made a

0:41:59life for themselves being sort of in

0:42:02this pundit class and nothing bae have

0:42:05done really will survive the test of

0:42:10time

0:42:11right i mean gene shallots writing about

0:42:16film is not going to survive 200 years

0:42:23but it was it was a valid life for a man

0:42:29you know it used his skills like there

0:42:33are all kinds of pundits and talkers and

0:42:38thinkers of their time of their moment

0:42:41whose work does not last but they were

0:42:45still important and valid in their era

0:42:50and guys like dave berry or exactly what

0:42:55i was thinking of Dave Barry right like

0:42:57will they read Avebury 200 years from

0:43:02now who knows like Shalom I like a lake

0:43:06him people read him now as a person

0:43:11yeah he's like the he was the the Jewish

0:43:17Mark Twain honey keep but-but-but-but

0:43:21bigger better like a not better but but

0:43:24he was he was the first guy to write

0:43:28colloquially in Yiddish in a bit but but

0:43:33treating it like it was literature

0:43:35literature and yet he he wrote fiddler

0:43:38on the roof but not the musical but like

0:43:42he wrote the story of teryan incredibly

0:43:47influential writer but also a vernacular

0:43:50writer like a like a a guy riding in his

0:43:55time of his time

0:43:56I'm not trying to he's not trying to be

0:44:00melville he was trying to just right for

0:44:03his people but his work rose to the

0:44:06level of you know it transcended its its

0:44:11humble craft dave barry pj o'rourke are

0:44:16these guys going to 200 years from now

0:44:18are people gonna be like Dave Barry was

0:44:21the 20th century writer that best

0:44:23captured the sound of the street and the

0:44:28and the thoughts of the of the average

0:44:32god maybe who knows nobody liked

0:44:35Melville and is in his time really you

0:44:41know nobody read moby-dick until after

0:44:42he was dead and i think the day he died

0:44:47if you had said Moby Dick is going to be

0:44:48required reading in in western legs

0:44:52still think I still think it's a prank

0:44:53nobody would believe that many years I

0:44:57just can't believe it

0:44:59have you read Billy Budd it is a prank I

0:45:02moby-dick my god haha i mean i guess if

0:45:06you see college called postmodern it

0:45:09makes it more interesting Mitchell at

0:45:10the plate let me understand something so

0:45:12let me get to the core of this it's

0:45:14partly that if I understand you're

0:45:15saying that you're the question that

0:45:17you're asking is you got people who are

0:45:19like whether you like them or not and

0:45:21indisputably primary creators of the

0:45:24primary culture so you know the Beatles

0:45:26wrote and recorded the songs though

0:45:29people listen to for a long time you

0:45:31know Mozart you know wrote this music

0:45:33James Joyce with these novels or

0:45:35whatever whatever your example that is

0:45:36now somebody who is a famous critic of

0:45:39games choice might do great work but

0:45:43will they be remembered as well as the

0:45:45personal upon his source material in the

0:45:47same way that something on Twitter

0:45:48cracking jokes about lost its not the

0:45:50same as the person who made lost right

0:45:52do people read secondary and tertiary

0:45:54secondary and tertiary levels where is

0:45:57it about SAS which is kind of it

0:45:59no a different thing everybody can put

0:46:02the name montagne but like that people

0:46:04actually reading him

0:46:05yeah but people are reading Pepe's

0:46:07Diaries yeah they put on Twitter

0:46:10so you've got to put it on Twitter yeah

0:46:12but this is the problem with when you're

0:46:14a young man when you're young artists

0:46:16you do not want to be anything less than

0:46:20one of the one of the great one of the

0:46:25great my primary primary creators though

0:46:27primary creator economical crisis that a

0:46:30silly distinction I think there's a

0:46:31difference I think like I hear you in my

0:46:33head anyway saying well writing about

0:46:35the internet for Esquire is that the

0:46:37same as writing shapes right performing

0:46:40shapes those are those are one of those

0:46:41is undeniably like a-a-a-a tempo love

0:46:45primary culture making another one is

0:46:48you know writing about stuff right but

0:46:50as I as I approached middle-aged mean

0:46:53one of the things i have reckoned with

0:46:54as a creative person is mi like does my

0:46:58work justify itself or I mean it

0:47:04mmm there are lots of Bam's and am I

0:47:10meant to do this or that

0:47:13am I meant to be a primary creator of

0:47:16like and and I and I believe I am but

0:47:21what is that next thing that I want to

0:47:24do I don't think it is writing essays

0:47:26for Esquire about the internet that is a

0:47:29thing that i am that i do because

0:47:31somebody sends me an email and I go and

0:47:34I stand I say and I don't have a manager

0:47:36so I go yeah sure

0:47:38alright that and you know

0:47:41well sure that that's you know that's

0:47:43like it pays pretty well yeah yeah there

0:47:46are three major magazines and have

0:47:47sometimes been pretty surprised by by

0:47:49which you pay for those things well and

0:47:51and and so so as we get as we got closer

0:47:54to january first you know I have this

0:47:56amount of money that I that I have this

0:47:58arbitrary amount of money as I decided a

0:48:00few years ago I had to make every year

0:48:01and as at identify and it's just it's

0:48:05completely arbitrary if I if I make it

0:48:07or don't it doesn't matter if I if I

0:48:11consistently don't make that much money

0:48:13for like five years i'm gonna be in

0:48:15trouble right but the amount the target

0:48:18is like a fairly imaginary and as I was

0:48:22as we were getting close to

0:48:24you out to New Year's I was like $2,000

0:48:28short of its of this imaginary amount

0:48:32and I was like it's January 29 i'm not

0:48:38going to get it i'm not going to make my

0:48:40mom I'm not gonna make my target

0:48:41december twenty I'm sorry just December

0:48:4429 i'm not going to make it and it

0:48:48wasn't a big deal

0:48:49I that and I had a couple of people who

0:48:51were like oh I owe you that you know

0:48:531,500 bucks i'll get that to you don't

0:48:55have fresh money you needed you need to

0:48:57get a little bit of fresh real primary

0:48:59money that's right and so I agreed to do

0:49:01this I agreed to write another thing for

0:49:03somebody i agree to United creates all

0:49:06these things at the end of the year and

0:49:08then january thirty first I got an email

0:49:10from my publishers who are like up

0:49:14settling up at the end of the year

0:49:16uh we forgot you know we are you 2,500

0:49:18bucks or whatever

0:49:19boom and I was like hey Barbra trickery

0:49:23yeah I made the arbitrary amount but

0:49:27anyway back to the back to the other

0:49:29thing like yeah I cannot think about my

0:49:36place in the in the on the in the

0:49:41library right i just have to make the

0:49:44next thing and I have to make it with

0:49:46passion I have to make the thing that

0:49:48I'm here and I hope you I hope you

0:49:50believe that John because i think that

0:49:51would be very good advice for you to

0:49:53take

0:49:53yeah yeah I just don't anybody library

0:49:56library i'll take care of itself you

0:49:57make us and if you make enough stuff

0:49:58it'll show up in the library don't worry

0:50:00and and what happened the only time i

0:50:02spend worry about the library is when

0:50:04i'm not actually making stuff right if

0:50:06I'm Faulkner was a problem drinker when

0:50:09he wasn't writing at if you're making

0:50:13stuff you're nothing about where it goes

0:50:14you're just making it just you know you

0:50:16where it goes is just like get it out of

0:50:19in front of me so I can make the next

0:50:21thing

0:50:22so this is why you need to hire mr. Lee

0:50:25need to hire mr. Lee and he's gonna you

0:50:29know what he's going to sit next to me

0:50:30and every time I pull up pull a page out

0:50:33of the typewriter like James ce qu'elle

0:50:35etait what that credit sequence at the

0:50:38end you have to get cheers sitter boosts

0:50:43it who gets dog

0:50:45the guy with the little green visor is

0:50:48going to take the piece of paper and

0:50:49he's gonna split on the stack and he's

0:50:53gonna say I'm about the United I'm

0:50:55taking this somewhere or maybe you know

0:50:57whatever i could he could be lying to me

0:50:59he could be just burning them in the

0:51:01yard point is you're getting stuff done

0:51:03the point of the fuck is nothing now so

0:51:06the other day I in the in the pursuit of

0:51:10this new idea who which could maybe a

0:51:13manic episode the entire thing that John

0:51:16time and tide you say not even exist

0:51:19yes they are all be i may be sitting in

0:51:23her you're telling me that you may not

0:51:25actually have a podcast in which you

0:51:27discuss your feelings of unwell pneus

0:51:29about whether you're creating art by

0:51:31having written and syr piece about

0:51:33whether the M internet is getting worse

0:51:36yeah I could be the character and

0:51:38metallic was one look at you could be

0:51:43fine at that's taking up in a VA

0:51:47hospital imagining this whole life John

0:51:52Roderick got his gun but I so the other

0:51:55day I bought a macbook air

0:51:57alright we have so much to talk about

0:51:59and you've got to go hire somebody

0:52:01well sorry so you what did you get the

0:52:03extra ramp so I got the extra ram cake

0:52:05but what is amazing to me about this is

0:52:09that McIntosh and I don't think this is

0:52:11just something that's happening in me I

0:52:13thought this computer and something has

0:52:17happened Macintosh Apple has made this

0:52:22they have made this device which is a

0:52:25cultural device they have made a thing

0:52:27that made a box now for so long that

0:52:31that purports to do these things for us

0:52:34that is this

0:52:36magicbox ok and i have bought enough of

0:52:39these magic boxes over the years and

0:52:42have turned them on each time with it

0:52:45with it like Dewey and fizzles hope and

0:52:48expectations i am going to make up I'm

0:52:51gonna make a film of all of my photos

0:52:55and i'm going to put it into my calendar

0:52:58and I'm gonna stand me added added to my

0:53:00contacts writing that square it's it's

0:53:04and this is going to streamline my

0:53:05process and i'm just going to sit here

0:53:07it's like it's like the coffee maker or

0:53:08the automatic light this is going to be

0:53:10the thing that changes everything right

0:53:11that's not you too Liz gonna fix it all

0:53:13and what would it was amazing as i

0:53:15bought this macbook air and I came home

0:53:16and I I threw the box with the computer

0:53:20and it unopened on the table and I went

0:53:24about the rest of my day and the next

0:53:28day my lady friend was over here and she

0:53:32said I can't believe you haven't you

0:53:34bought a new laptop and you haven't even

0:53:35opened it and I looked over I was like

0:53:38oh yeah yeah

0:53:42oh how open that today probably and i

0:53:48was astonished to discover that i had no

0:53:50excitement that I was not in the least

0:53:55bit thrilled about my new computer that

0:53:58i knew i needed it and i bought it so

0:54:02that i could take it places and right on

0:54:04it but opening it and discovering the

0:54:08new operating system and syncing my

0:54:14contacts

0:54:16uploading my data to the cloud it all

0:54:23like the the thrill was gone and the

0:54:28tape it to fix some some good examples

0:54:30of that examples

0:54:31those are good examples of things that

0:54:33they're not so great in front ease when

0:54:35i open my mail when I finally did open

0:54:38the box and I turned on the computer and

0:54:41it went boom be in here and the lights

0:54:44come on and here's the computer and look

0:54:46at it and I go oh wow awesome and I

0:54:49touch it with my hand

0:54:51the first thing that pops up is a the

0:54:55itunes let your Apple ID know the itunes

0:54:59agreement has changed please click

0:55:03accept

0:55:04please click click agree and then the

0:55:07second thing it was like you need to

0:55:08download newts new software you need to

0:55:11you know update your update your OS so

0:55:14the thing that came in the box didn't

0:55:16even have the it wasn't it needed to be

0:55:18updated and the first three hours I

0:55:23spent with the new machine was just

0:55:24doing administrative exit clicking i

0:55:29agree on 25 because every single piece

0:55:34of software that needed to be updated

0:55:35also i needed to click a new Apple

0:55:39agreement yes and your password and

0:55:41enter my password and I was just like

0:55:44they have finally done it they have they

0:55:48have made this creativity box that is

0:55:52supposed to the end had it not only

0:55:56supposed to but has successfully freed

0:55:58us all from the drudgery of having to

0:56:01get up in the morning and chop wood and

0:56:04go to the bathroom and an outdoor toilet

0:56:05and iron are pillowcases it's all gone

0:56:09now and because we're all artists and

0:56:11geniuses and we all have this amazing

0:56:14powerful box that can they can collate

0:56:17our work and they have made it now into

0:56:22a drudgery

0:56:23and buying this computer I was just like

0:56:26I've just gotta go out and chop some

0:56:30wood to heat up the stove in the Privy

0:56:34so that i can take a shit on a wooden

0:56:38toilet seat happened i was so it was

0:56:45just like what's what next

0:56:50how now brown cow yeah I'm sorry John I

0:56:56i wish i wish i could have something to

0:56:58say about making it easier to line up of

0:57:01you know I think once i get my contacts

0:57:03synced yeah I'll be a lot happier it's

0:57:05gonna be a lot easier for you yeah that

0:57:07looks it'll take an hour to don't worry

0:57:09you can be done with that note i'm in

0:57:11the process with my wife has had 14

0:57:14versions of every contact for three

0:57:15years no matter what we've ever done to

0:57:18fix that she comes right back

0:57:20she gets 14-14 ecology accounted

0:57:23accounted plus i have my guy I know

0:57:26named Jason santa maria is in my

0:57:28contacts as Jason Santa Santa Santa

0:57:30Santa Santa Santa Santa stand aside from

0:57:32marie apt because it just works the best

0:57:36part was I went so I'm or so this

0:57:38computer you know didn't give me an

0:57:39option it was going to upgrade the 10.9

0:57:41or whatever but I went the computer i'm

0:57:43talking to you on now I was like oh now

0:57:46got a new computer i'm going to sync it

0:57:48with my old computer eating you that you

0:57:51didn't start by pulling that over but I

0:57:53can't because my old computer is running

0:57:56ready 10.6 still make that no they don't

0:58:01and so I went online and I was like okay

0:58:04I'm going to upgrade to 10.9 i guess and

0:58:07before I click on the button i started

0:58:09reading the reviews 1 star 1 star 1 star

0:58:12this is a carbon joanna is re reviews

0:58:15garbage oh is garbage Oh as this is

0:58:18gonna ruin your life and the problem the

0:58:20thing is I have post-traumatic stress

0:58:22disorder because i have upgraded you

0:58:25know on my little iPhone or whatever I

0:58:27put the new OS on there multiple times

0:58:29and every time it just turns it just

0:58:31breaks that

0:58:32never crash it's haha

0:58:35I've never had so many crashes on any

0:58:40phone i've ever owned

0:58:42then I have in the last month and a half

0:58:43M it wakes up to get that when he wakes

0:58:46up and just get a little white apple

0:58:47because you use your phone a lot

0:58:50I mean you really use it right i used

0:58:52the shit out of my phone and my phone is

0:58:54so there is a ghost in the machine now

0:58:57that was so what happened was I was I

0:59:00was on grand bahama as you do earlier

0:59:04this year without a message board

0:59:06no reds and it's an island i was on it i

0:59:09was on one of the Bahama Island got it

0:59:11and I was riding a scooter around the

0:59:14island as you do and i was on that very

0:59:18far end of the island and I got caught

0:59:22up in a Caribbean rainstorm and I was

0:59:28wearing white linen pants and a white

0:59:32linen church which look smashing

0:59:36when they're dry but when they're wet

0:59:39you basically look like a mozzarella so

0:59:49wet and so I'm riding through his you

0:59:56know i'm riding through this this the

0:59:58beautiful tropical

0:59:58beautiful tropical

1:00:00paradise just didn't get close get

1:00:03longer and bigger well yeah Leslie just

1:00:05like Lady cheese you can treat you can

1:00:09see every dimple annual mon ha and you

1:00:15know when i'm almost i'm driving fast

1:00:17because i'm on this i'm on the scooter

1:00:19and looks like that's what type scooter

1:00:20yeah look at this yeah and i have my

1:00:23phone in my pocket and that amount of

1:00:27wet a bottom aenean linen pocket wet is

1:00:32a lot of wet it's a lot of wet and it

1:00:34was enough wet it's not like I dropped

1:00:36it in the in the toilet like my phone

1:00:38that i would consider this to be normal

1:00:40use but the phone i know for a fact

1:00:43whatever that little button is inside

1:00:45that turns colors yet they can tell

1:00:47that's really got really wet again they

1:00:49can tell you about that you know about

1:00:51the yeah and then they just shake their

1:00:53head at you and they're like there's

1:00:54nothing we can do

1:00:56and so that's the thing is like friction

1:00:59on the frame jam flipping on the plots I

1:01:03mean every time I turn it on the first

1:01:05thing it does is it types for TJ's and

1:01:07k's in a you know just like Skid i'll

1:01:19put it up just like jkjkjkjk and I have

1:01:23to reset it