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0:00:12hello age on Merlin a feeling I'm well I
0:00:21on the mend
0:00:22I'm well no it's a chris wallace voice
0:00:25oh yeah yeah I think I've never I've
0:00:28never loved that response
0:00:30I'm well is it that's a bellingham thing
0:00:32right
0:00:33yeah it's the it's the old days the bear
0:00:35trap of of getting if you say I'm good
0:00:38how are you I'm good
0:00:40oh I'm well that's just a little bit of
0:00:43like a you're doing well you're doing
0:00:44good
0:00:45it's a little bit of a like a backhanded
0:00:47slap it's just a light like like kid
0:00:49gloves slap you doing leaving no
0:00:51footprints
0:00:52haha you I'm well we talked to a week
0:01:03ago and you were in the throes of
0:01:05illness
0:01:06yep you know i'm i'm slow to recover i'm
0:01:09slow to heal
0:01:10he sounds so much better oh I feel I'm
0:01:12so I'm a hundred percent better except
0:01:15that i'm slow to heal so there's the
0:01:17there's probably another week of like
0:01:19just every once in awhile be like
0:01:23laughing at something and a big ball of
0:01:27flame will come flying out let you
0:01:29laughs great
0:01:31yeah that's right back back in the cave
0:01:34another nine months without laughing
0:01:36the thing about having a child of course
0:01:38is that you laughs more because children
0:01:41are ridiculous yeah so I'm laughing all
0:01:44the time now
0:01:45laughing child laughing are constantly
0:01:48know she's a she's a total clown
0:01:52yeah but you know we laugh together at
0:01:57what a clown her mother is this you know
0:02:00that can imagine they they pay you back
0:02:06in kind though they do you know I'm
0:02:08surrounded by women I always them and
0:02:10now i'm especially surrounded by women
0:02:12there there are no I mean Colonel
0:02:14surviving men in my family my mom my
0:02:16uncle jack is eighty seven maybe eight
0:02:18lives in Alaska my uncle Junius
0:02:21lives here in Seattle but i don't see it
0:02:23very often a great name
0:02:26junius yeah Junior's rochester oh come
0:02:29on really
0:02:30junius rochester his father Alfred
0:02:33rochester and his mother Marguerite
0:02:36rochester names used to be so much
0:02:38better
0:02:39junius and genius was named after my
0:02:42great uncle Julius who was named f2 his
0:02:47great-uncle genius sounds Roman geniuses
0:02:51brother george alfred Caldwell rochester
0:02:54founded the seattle public library but
0:02:58his great-uncle genius was one of the he
0:03:03was the dead i have intelligence started
0:03:05my great-great-uncle genius who was
0:03:07responsible for the founding of the
0:03:09Washington State Bar Association because
0:03:12the lawyers in seattle agreed that they
0:03:15needed some kind of association that
0:03:18could censure my bike rack great-uncle
0:03:21they were like they were like we need to
0:03:24Center this man and we don't even have
0:03:26an organization powerful enough to do it
0:03:28so they founded a bar association just
0:03:30to give him just to dis Tek dis bar him
0:03:34from their bar easy like you'd have to
0:03:37do a lot of stuff pretty bad over and
0:03:41over fresh its complex to create an
0:03:43organization to smite you would fit a
0:03:46lot of work but what is the feather in
0:03:49his cap the thing that they really were
0:03:51were really open arms about was that he
0:03:55basically instigated that the
0:03:58anti-chinese riots on the waterfront
0:04:01here in Seattle and forced the and you
0:04:05know he and a mob an angry literally a
0:04:09torch carrying mob like march to the the
0:04:14Chinese residents of Chinatown down to
0:04:17the docks and said you're either getting
0:04:20on that boat to san francisco or you're
0:04:22going in the water
0:04:23well what what what area is what years
0:04:251890 you're kidding that's an amazing
0:04:31yeah and then some of the most of the
0:04:33Chinese got on the boat and went down to
0:04:34San Francisco
0:04:35would their descendants are still
0:04:37probably living peacefully there
0:04:39yeah that was at a time when the Chinese
0:04:41were the big scare and my
0:04:44great-great-uncle immigrant from
0:04:47Kentucky and that if not veteran of the
0:04:52Civil War than his brother fought in the
0:04:54Civil War and came up here and and
0:04:57decided to to you know bring a little
0:05:00touch of southern xenophobia to the
0:05:02northwest headline just keeps moving
0:05:04north that's good form of of these
0:05:08chinese people cannot live here anymore
0:05:09these chinese people who helped us build
0:05:11the railroad you know who basically
0:05:13built the railroad and improved the West
0:05:16in innumerable ways now have to go do
0:05:20you uh do you know what happened it says
0:05:23did this is a so they formed the Bar
0:05:25Association what's that
0:05:27so they think they picked the name yeah
0:05:28I had they had they had their the salad
0:05:30course that's right that's right now our
0:05:33business
0:05:34junius rochester gentlemen let's go
0:05:37ahead and move on to the cutiest she's
0:05:39not so moved
0:05:41well you know this was the northwest and
0:05:45it was a small them small town and I
0:05:47think they censored him and then he went
0:05:49on to be a he went on to pretty sure
0:05:54have a some sort of dubious hand in the
0:05:57founding of Columbia City a southern
0:06:00suburb of of Seattle AP you know he
0:06:03became a real estate speculator and
0:06:07founded columbia city and then I don't
0:06:10know he's probably hit by a streetcar or
0:06:13somebody Chinese tweak some other
0:06:15inglorious Northwest way of you know he
0:06:18was eaten by a salmon
0:06:20he didn't he didn't survive to he did
0:06:25not survive to the era where I have a
0:06:29tremendous volume of information about
0:06:31him and this partly this is that my
0:06:33uncle genius and uncle genius is really
0:06:36a second cousin once removed but he is
0:06:41let me see if I can describe this Junius
0:06:43was 10 when my dad was 21 and so juniors
0:06:48is not quite my dad's generation but he
0:06:51certainly is he is 80 now and that was
0:06:56his grandfather do you know Junius his
0:07:00geniuses grandfather and my grandfather
0:07:04were the same man
0:07:06okay george alfred no no I'm sorry wait
0:07:09a minute juniors his grandfather and my
0:07:12great-grandfather were the same man
0:07:14george alfred Caldwell rochester and so
0:07:19it was genius is great on all or great
0:07:22great on pole i think and maybe my god i
0:07:25can't keep it all straight but did that
0:07:27thing about geniuses that he is a
0:07:28historian and has and is a generation
0:07:33older than me so he stood between me and
0:07:36all the good stuff right so Mike my
0:07:40grandfather's no way my
0:07:42great-grandfather's desk sits in junior
0:07:45sizes living room and every time I come
0:07:48over
0:07:49jenya says John did you notice your
0:07:55great-grandfather's desk there and I
0:07:58have to grind my teeth he should he
0:08:03should put little post-its there for my
0:08:06beloved john morgan Roderick so you
0:08:09think when the estate sale or the estate
0:08:11is settled you know ya get a leg up what
0:08:14we do the desk you think the thing is no
0:08:16one else in the entire family could tell
0:08:19you when the 20th century was right like
0:08:24geniuses kids my brother is very active
0:08:27on social media
0:08:28she is she is but if you said 20 century
0:08:30go she'll be like uh-huh all dr. you
0:08:36know it might have my older brothers and
0:08:37sisters none of them care right i mean
0:08:39the the desk would end up in the ocean
0:08:41except there is except there is that one
0:08:44little thread running through my family
0:08:46as through all families which is the
0:08:48thread of women
0:08:50on once it oh well i don't know i think
0:08:54that your graduation furniture grudges
0:08:56are pretty common or you know what i
0:08:57mean when there's a piece of old
0:08:58something going around that becomes like
0:09:01it's it's the way like when angry people
0:09:03get divorced
0:09:04you know they make the kid yeah yeah the
0:09:06battlefield I think things like things
0:09:08that used to belong to dead people get
0:09:10your soon-to-be dead people become very
0:09:11hot items
0:09:12well and this is the thing i have
0:09:14reconciled myself to this the desk the
0:09:18end tables the the baby spoons the you
0:09:23know whatever the fuck he the center
0:09:25from the Washington State Bar
0:09:26Association like whoever wants that
0:09:29stuff if it's that important to them
0:09:31they can have it but I know that my
0:09:34uncle genius has boxes of papers all the
0:09:39letters all he knows where all the
0:09:41bodies are buried and geniuses that is
0:09:44that generation prior to me where it is
0:09:48he is still embarrassed by the crimes of
0:09:53our family of the generations of our
0:09:55family prior right
0:09:57junius would never ever ever publicly
0:10:01admit that that the Rochester's were
0:10:04behind the anti-chinese rides nor
0:10:06norwood jr known normal Junius cop to
0:10:09any of the other you know their their
0:10:12myriad crimes against humanity that the
0:10:15you know and so he genius is very proud
0:10:18to hold up a photostat of the of the
0:10:23official pardon that President Grant
0:10:25granted his great-great-grandfather ab
0:10:32Alfred but see I don't even know his
0:10:36name
0:10:37this is the problem anything like that
0:10:38archive John I know and the thing is
0:10:40there's an oil painting of this man in
0:10:42his Confederate you know Colonel's
0:10:46outfit or Brigadier you know dress blues
0:10:49there's an oil painting of the man and I
0:10:52don't know anything about him and when
0:10:54that when i asked genius
0:10:55it's like
0:10:57he knows i want to know Andy his desire
0:11:01to tell me is trumped only by his desire
0:11:05to have me want to know and not know
0:11:08that's all he has left its really it's
0:11:11very probably guys we got the price of
0:11:13the price is right and soup and
0:11:15withholding from you it's very deep
0:11:17it's very deep located at one point my
0:11:20my aunt Julie Julie that's 222 names but
0:11:26one name right that they used to do that
0:11:28in names
0:11:29yeah Julie decided that she needed to
0:11:32that she wanted to be a member of the
0:11:35Daughters of the American Revolution and
0:11:38she she traced our family and she this
0:11:41is you know of course before the
0:11:43internet what we had to send letters to
0:11:45like the postmasters and say would you
0:11:51dear dear postmaster of of you know of a
0:11:55wide-leg Ohio will you send your
0:11:58daughter out to the cemeteries and make
0:12:00rubbings of all the stones that you know
0:12:04like you to research your family before
0:12:06the Mormons on the internet was very
0:12:09difficult but she figured out that my
0:12:13great-great-great-great
0:12:15great-great-great grandfather was john
0:12:20page colonial governor of virginia and
0:12:23childhood friend of Thomas Jefferson and
0:12:28so decisions like a lock
0:12:30oh it's dead-on and everybody everybody
0:12:32was granted
0:12:34yeah yeah she's a daughter the
0:12:35pre-revolution oh yeah i mean if i
0:12:37wanted to fill out the paperwork i would
0:12:39be a son of the american revolution by
0:12:41already feel like a son of the American
0:12:42Revolution as we all do at the only free
0:12:46conservative that group
0:12:47mmm definitely the sons of the
0:12:49Confederacy which I also more than
0:12:51qualified for our have taken a turn for
0:12:54the worse recently also know the DAR but
0:12:57I don't know anything about the sack in
0:12:59the dark but not the sack the sack has
0:13:01become an organization that is that is
0:13:03towing the the stars and bars are are
0:13:07part of our heritage line of reasoning
0:13:10and so we need to keep the need to keep
0:13:12the Confederate flag in the in the South
0:13:15Carolina state flag or will have war we
0:13:18will have lost our our whole entire that
0:13:21we've lost the war
0:13:22yeah we've lost our identity as as as
0:13:25people who held other humans and bonded
0:13:27but i think the DAR is conservative in
0:13:30the sense that they want to keep blacks
0:13:33and chinese and gays and Jews and Irish
0:13:35out
0:13:36that's right in your wheel upset but I
0:13:38can make in you know that's not what we
0:13:40used to call that conservative now it's
0:13:42really cheap conservatism has really
0:13:44changed a lot it seems pretty
0:13:45conservative now by modern standards but
0:13:48um so open any in any case so actually
0:13:53named her eldest daughter Paige not PA
0:13:57ige but page2 H as in like at way to add
0:14:04is a really cool name for a girl
0:14:06yeah to echo through ten generations
0:14:08back to John page our colonial for
0:14:12father and it's that kind of old-school
0:14:14like let's not talk about the eight
0:14:19generations of slaveholders and Indian
0:14:21killers in between
0:14:22let's talk about John RR thomas
0:14:26jefferson's buddy our our Scion John
0:14:30page and it's like my own
0:14:31yeah I'd really rather talk you know my
0:14:33mom's now who was it one of the one of
0:14:37one of my mom's intelligence road with
0:14:39Custer
0:14:41so I got it I got it all everything
0:14:43anybody in the states that were
0:14:45oppressed was at one time or another
0:14:47impressed by me personally I Oh
0:14:50reparation direction and think about I
0:14:53don't know how you are with this stuff
0:14:54but i finally got the patterns over the
0:14:56five almost six years my daughter's been
0:14:58around if i were to be really honest
0:15:00with myself stuff that I remember but
0:15:02especially the stuff i capture I capture
0:15:04and inhale these successes like oh my
0:15:08gosh look she's walking around she's
0:15:09pushing a wagon she's doing this and I I
0:15:12I laughs along at the times that things
0:15:14were silly and and one of us was a clown
0:15:16but the times that people were merely
0:15:18disappointing don't i don't know if you
0:15:22could say is true history but it just
0:15:23seems like the times are the times that
0:15:25we are flatly evil which we tend to kind
0:15:27of a gloss over but you know but the
0:15:30stuff we put in the scrapbook and the
0:15:32stuff that goes into Junius geniuses
0:15:34boxes
0:15:35well you know it but there's probably a
0:15:38lot of stuff in there where there's just
0:15:39like this is just one of the half of
0:15:41this is disappointment stuff and that's
0:15:42really enough for me to say im just
0:15:43gonna keep it sealed
0:15:45yeah well everyone's kinda how I like a
0:15:47family history works i think it is and
0:15:49and maybe I am different in that I
0:15:52celebrate the broken you know I
0:15:55celebrate the aseptic walt whitman
0:15:58celebrate
0:16:00I celebrate the unknown hair of graves I
0:16:02celebrate the UH the I mean really
0:16:07there's no family that you don't have
0:16:11that you can look behind three or more
0:16:13curtains and not find some terrible news
0:16:16because human beings are are awful
0:16:20you know just consistently awful and so
0:16:24I and I really do feel like that kind of
0:16:26revisionism does a disservice over
0:16:29generations and over time you know we
0:16:31only use a really skewed idea that will
0:16:35wear the first messed up generation
0:16:36yeah and it happen it's been happening
0:16:37for centuries and centuries and
0:16:40centuries because nobody because nobody
0:16:42reports
0:16:43well your uncle al was a rapist and it
0:16:49because it you know because it reflects
0:16:50on you you feel like it reflects on you
0:16:52and I think that's what's going on with
0:16:54genius-like
0:16:54he does not want to and partly it is
0:16:57that that I think now that we're the
0:17:00first generation where social standing
0:17:03is not determined as much or at all by
0:17:10family and blood right
0:17:13we live in a world where social standing
0:17:15is entirely determined by buying money
0:17:19new money and buy your you know and by
0:17:23like your 15 minutes of fame
0:17:26Cracraft fame but my uncle juniors and
0:17:31my father and and and even me I mean I
0:17:34was raised still in the last vestiges of
0:17:38feeling like your family name was where
0:17:44your what was the the locus of your
0:17:47honor and that's almost completely gone
0:17:50it in America or in the West maybe back
0:17:53east people still ask like so what's
0:17:56your father do where your father go to
0:17:57school
0:17:58well I think it's it feels like it's
0:18:00something where people at the middle
0:18:02levels of of status are certainly not
0:18:04scrambling to look at right but whereas
0:18:07in the fifties or sixties even you might
0:18:09really be scrambling to show how you are
0:18:11descended from a virginia governor sure
0:18:14and I think people today if you go to
0:18:16your favorite Yale I think you probably
0:18:17still gonna do what I mean the upper
0:18:19classes a picture of people with money
0:18:20people who have that lineage sure if
0:18:22you've got the family tree and all that
0:18:23Providence and you can show it when I
0:18:25wanted but there's so many and even the
0:18:28last I don't be productive in the last
0:18:2940 years the number of blended families
0:18:31the number of people like just think
0:18:34about christmas day is like for so many
0:18:35people who have like five and a half
0:18:37parents know it's like Hanukkah
0:18:41but I mean yeah if your last name is
0:18:43bush and you are the 42nd president the
0:18:46united states 43rd whatever you don't
0:18:50have to be a member of the daughters of
0:18:51the american revolution because the
0:18:53Encyclopedia Britannica has your family
0:18:56line it or if you're jonathan coulton or
0:18:59somebody like that who clearly came over
0:19:01on the Mayflower the whole idea of the
0:19:04daughters of the american revolution is
0:19:05for people who live out in San Francisco
0:19:07to scramble over one another's you know
0:19:11carcasses on the way to some cocktail
0:19:16party up on Nob Hill I I guess I almost
0:19:19wonder if a little bit tom wolfe here
0:19:22but I mean I I'm almost thinking like I
0:19:24wonder if it's some point maybe around
0:19:25the sixties and definitely seventies it
0:19:27started to be a little bit of a burden
0:19:29to be part of not a burden but if you
0:19:31know what I mean it used to be that you
0:19:32could say like what if you're a
0:19:33Rockefeller or whatever but like the
0:19:35thing is if you followed that sort of
0:19:38lineal name-dropping like two things are
0:19:41going to happen first of all it's gonna
0:19:42be obvious what a loser you are that
0:19:44you're you know Bing Crosby the third or
0:19:46whatever which is like oh you're not as
0:19:49famous as the other one
0:19:50ok so what do you do you work at the DMV
0:19:52but you know there's the other one which
0:19:54is like nobody-nobody in America there's
0:19:57a great phrase you know you get a phrase
0:19:59born with a silver spoon in his mouth
0:20:00but i think i first heard this about a
0:20:03george w bush maybe earlier that he he
0:20:06was born on third and thinks he hit a
0:20:08triple right and I i'll use the second
0:20:12half of that phrase sometimes you know
0:20:13for people who think somebody else got
0:20:15something easy i think people don't want
0:20:16that i think especially in a post 1960s
0:20:18America anyway people don't want to look
0:20:20like they got where they were because of
0:20:22their last name they wanted to be merit
0:20:24or they wanted to be values or brand in
0:20:27somebody's mighty that word again but
0:20:29you know I think today people really
0:20:30want to feel like they made their own
0:20:31way or look at somebody like there's a
0:20:33wonderful comic that you would love
0:20:35called Lucky written by a guy named Joe
0:20:37Hill who achieve his a claim with
0:20:40locking key by greatly covering up the
0:20:42fact that he was stephen king's son huh
0:20:45because he knew if you go out there and
0:20:47something happened what's your name that
0:20:48ass and lady like you know if you go out
0:20:50there and let everybody know that you're
0:20:52whatever ravi shankar's daughter
0:20:54that's gonna happen it's going to cost
0:20:55strong reactions to people that
0:20:57regardless of which way they look at it
0:20:59are not going to be that beneficial for
0:21:00you in the long run I guess that makes
0:21:02sense
0:21:02yeah absolutely can you kind of like a
0:21:04tool to walk around going like well you
0:21:06know well of course you should give me
0:21:07my big mac at a discount I'm descended
0:21:10from you know Chinese haters or whatever
0:21:12but there's something else has has
0:21:15changed him and I think you're right
0:21:16that part of it is that is the is the
0:21:18candy flake Tom Wolfe overturning of the
0:21:23not just overturning but like the the
0:21:25change where we felt like those families
0:21:28were actually not just not just that the
0:21:32the later descendants are a weaker
0:21:34strain of the blood but that though that
0:21:36that their control of the resources and
0:21:40the culture has as imperiled us or that
0:21:44they you know it's the rise of the
0:21:46conspiracy that those families are
0:21:48actually dangerous and not not to
0:21:52nothing to aspire to but something to
0:21:55eradicate but also I think as late as
0:21:59the seventies you know the richest
0:22:03people on Wall Street a a pretty rich
0:22:07investment banker made five times what a
0:22:13normal lawyer would make like that index
0:22:17of what the CEO makes a multiple of the
0:22:19lowest pay personal hell yea right so so
0:22:22you know like a really high powered
0:22:24Seattle lawyer would make fifty thousand
0:22:26dollars a year in 1965 and maybe like a
0:22:30the head of a wall street bank would
0:22:33make 250 thousand dollars a year and
0:22:36that was just like you know back when
0:22:38when being a millionaire was was still
0:22:42really something and and now we live in
0:22:45this world where there are 27 year olds
0:22:47that are making seven hundred thousand
0:22:49dollars a year as investment bankers
0:22:52and there isn't the premium put on not
0:22:57just old money but but that the the
0:23:02bulwark that old money old families used
0:23:04to represent you know they were the they
0:23:08were the our cultural heritage or they
0:23:10kept you know that the membership in the
0:23:13yacht club was the highest thing you
0:23:16could aspire to and now it's like you're
0:23:19you know you're Connecticut yacht club
0:23:21your your dusty old Connecticut yacht
0:23:25club like these these these guys have
0:23:27got private jets and they're living in
0:23:29Moscow or whatever so there's just no
0:23:33who cares right i mean i'm probably
0:23:37there are 25 year-olds listening to this
0:23:39program right now that are just like not
0:23:41even getting the idea that
0:23:45social standing was once largely a
0:23:49component of who your parents were and
0:23:52not at all and you know it was not that
0:23:54you went to Harvard and that's why
0:23:56people respected you and you got a good
0:23:59job
0:24:00it was that your father was so-and-so
0:24:03and that's why you went to Harvard and
0:24:05people respected you and kinda job you
0:24:07know
0:24:08now we now we have eliminated the the
0:24:10first step we still have the we still
0:24:13think that going to Harvard is like a
0:24:16big deal but that seems like the
0:24:17beginning I don't know it's a partly
0:24:21because that is not the same virtual
0:24:23guarantee of I mean obviously you're a
0:24:26pretty good start but it's certainly not
0:24:28the same I've told this story half a
0:24:30dozen times my friend grants dad had
0:24:32told you this when he graduated from
0:24:34college in 1964-65 he the story goes
0:24:40that I think you for similar stories he
0:24:42walked into a Ford dealership and drove
0:24:44off the lot with a Mustang because he
0:24:46had a diploma
0:24:47that's a mean I efforts you know there
0:24:49are many similar stories to that and
0:24:51then the corollary to that which are
0:24:52they if you don't have this then we're
0:24:54gonna look a little harder to all these
0:24:55different things but you know I think I
0:24:57guess that still opens a lot of doors
0:24:59but um jammer look to say meritocracy i
0:25:02think also just been a real upset if I
0:25:05can use that his word is the mineral
0:25:07upset in in the whole way we think about
0:25:09status and and even even in the time
0:25:11before social media but especially
0:25:12especially since things like social
0:25:14media or you look at stuff like you know
0:25:16when I go to my hot dog place and and
0:25:20it's everyday it's a it's like Maury
0:25:22Povich is on at the hot dog place yeah
0:25:24my daughter just she's completely
0:25:27hypnotized by it and it will still
0:25:28throwing chairs at each other on chosen
0:25:30yes and pretty much every episode
0:25:31episode is about paternity and it's
0:25:34about whether or not this is this is
0:25:35someone's baby right daddy or whatever
0:25:39and then there's this chair throwing and
0:25:41it's mostly it's a lot of very very
0:25:42heavy ethnic minorities clowning around
0:25:45for what probably 700 bucks but you get
0:25:48to be on TV gets beetles are dulce
0:25:50juggalos I don't know you hear things
0:25:53about these like databases where you can
0:25:54like register I've heard this for 20
0:25:56years that you can register
0:25:57these databases to appear on things like
0:25:59those shows and you go in and talk about
0:26:01what your special liabilities are or
0:26:02what your what your beef is and then the
0:26:05producers going kind of shop those but
0:26:06that all has been so upturn you know to
0:26:10wear today I think about now Leonard
0:26:12Bernstein's might look at the Black
0:26:13Panthers to go back to Tom Wolfe right
0:26:16in the sixties whereas today I mean you
0:26:18were talking about how you like you you
0:26:20know you people who are making tax and
0:26:21techno mix you know we want you might
0:26:23really admire somebody who makes this
0:26:25application that you like a lot even
0:26:28though you don't need not know how much
0:26:29they make me a care but they're used to
0:26:32for lack of a better word their
0:26:33influence is very interesting that the
0:26:36fact that there is somebody who's 25
0:26:37have a friend is 25 and he's on his
0:26:39second companies getting buyout offers
0:26:41on his second company at 25 and he's not
0:26:43a douche he's just extremely good
0:26:46manager and he's really smart and he's
0:26:48good with people and I not right like
0:26:51something like that i'm very attracted
0:26:52to somebody like that the property
0:26:54eventually he has pretty good money now
0:26:55and I'm sure he'll have more later but
0:26:57it doesn't matter what his last name is
0:26:58right now it could be a made-up name it
0:27:00doesn't matter like where he went to
0:27:01college where there is that the merit of
0:27:03that is very appealing to people and I
0:27:06think that's I think that's pretty
0:27:07different whereas in like maybe the
0:27:09forties or fifties you might look at
0:27:10something like that gone well this this
0:27:13this could be you know like you know one
0:27:15little rose among the dandelions you got
0:27:17an eye on this guy in the forties and
0:27:19fifties the the primary difference is
0:27:23that that guy at 25 years old might have
0:27:25been on his second company but he would
0:27:28not have been a multi-millionaire
0:27:30because there just wasn't that kind of
0:27:32capitalization right of things right so
0:27:35he would have he would be a wealthy man
0:27:38but he would still be sort of living in
0:27:43an apartment in New York City and the
0:27:47real achievement you know that maybe he
0:27:51would be maybe they were right about him
0:27:52in the wall street journal but the real
0:27:53achievement would be that he would be
0:27:55invited to join
0:27:56a certain men's club and that the people
0:28:00standing at the gates of that would you
0:28:04know would either that who his father
0:28:06was or in the case that he was you know
0:28:09and i think it was incredible success
0:28:11they would bend their own rules in order
0:28:16to you know like well I know that you're
0:28:18you know because because he had
0:28:20something that there's something about
0:28:21his status he brought something to that
0:28:22place those places don't let you know
0:28:24we've talked about this with money
0:28:25before they can even give you money
0:28:27because they like you they give you
0:28:28money because they think they can make
0:28:30more money than they're giving you and
0:28:32instances like that if it's about status
0:28:34and clasp it isn't that they're trying
0:28:35to reward you for having arrived they
0:28:37only want you there if you make them
0:28:39look better right now but at the time
0:28:41there just wasn't the money that there
0:28:44is now and i mean this is this is that
0:28:46it's it's so profound because in a way
0:28:49this this super moneyed class and the
0:28:51super money of San Francisco and and
0:28:54downtown New York and such a certain
0:28:57extent Seattle like it is a it's it
0:29:01there quantities of money that transcend
0:29:03every other metric for the every other
0:29:08metric that human beings used to
0:29:10separate one another like if you walk
0:29:12into that class of ultra-rich there
0:29:17it does not matter if you did nothing
0:29:22about you matters except that right
0:29:26you could if you become super rich and
0:29:29decide to change your gender & it and
0:29:32somebody reveals that your your mother
0:29:36was Jewish and your father was pakistani
0:29:38and his father killed gandhi
0:29:43at all would be forgiven there would be
0:29:46no that we would not look at you in the
0:29:48slightest way differently because our
0:29:51only way of looking at you is that you
0:29:53are worth 1 billion dollars like that's
0:29:55a it's a new it is a new that the the to
0:30:00be that rich that is to be so rich that
0:30:04transcends race which is which has been
0:30:08the primary like human problem right for
0:30:12our whole history to be so rich that
0:30:14people don't even see your race anymore
0:30:17is a it's a new it's a new step and
0:30:22there's no Club in America I don't think
0:30:24that would keep a billionaire out
0:30:27because he was a Jew and that is that
0:30:31was not true even 20 years ago there you
0:30:35know anti-semitism was more powerful
0:30:39than money up to just like 10 years ago
0:30:45really but i don't think that exists
0:30:47anymore I mean maybe somewhere in Europe
0:30:49maybe somewhere in Switzerland down a
0:30:51mineshaft there is a group of guys
0:30:53sitting around the table where they
0:30:55still won't let soros be a member of the
0:30:59of the group and I but but i doubt it
0:31:02you know it's a crazy it's a it's a
0:31:06crazy thing I've been playing a game
0:31:07with my friends lately which is the what
0:31:10if you what if you and I know you don't
0:31:13probably play the lottery and I don't
0:31:15either but if you did let's say you
0:31:16walked into a 7-eleven and you're like I
0:31:19give me a pack of sweet tarts and and to
0:31:24sexually with two hot dogs with pump
0:31:26chili and you know what give me a mega
0:31:28millions ticket and you just bought it
0:31:31on a whim and let's say two days later
0:31:33you it was revealed that you had 180
0:31:36million dollars and so you assume that
0:31:4070 million of that goes immediately to
0:31:42taxes so now you have a hundred and ten
0:31:44million dollars
0:31:46what do you do and this game is this
0:31:50game really makes people squirm
0:31:52because their initial answers like well
0:31:56you know I think I probably travel and I
0:31:58quit my job and you know I think I'd
0:32:00trying and trying to keep my head on my
0:32:02shoulders it's like no fuck you don't
0:32:05you know we're not living in a land of
0:32:08like problem now what exactly would you
0:32:12do first
0:32:14like what would you do first are you
0:32:16going to go home tonight and sleep in
0:32:19your own bed tonight hundred and ten
0:32:22million dollars you have now
0:32:24like what's the first thing you do and
0:32:27what's the second thing you do and do
0:32:28you have a lawyer who's your lawyer now
0:32:30I I thats it's a great game because it's
0:32:33so much more complicated anybody thinks
0:32:35first thing is I would be scared
0:32:36shitless
0:32:37yes and I would feel exposed oh yeah
0:32:40there's a big part of the lottery is
0:32:41telling you who won what that just makes
0:32:44you a big target so where do you go you
0:32:46go to a hotel right first night you
0:32:48don't go home
0:32:49yeah I I mean like just this this is not
0:32:52the answer you want but like it's the
0:32:54it's aligned with the answer I guess is
0:32:57that i would first start by the king
0:32:58oh my god I hope it's not hope it's at
0:33:01least a month before completely screw
0:33:02this up right now that I've gotten
0:33:05chunks of money before and done stupid
0:33:07stuff and it's you know I don't know I
0:33:11mean I see the i'm with you that people
0:33:12want to sit around a well I take care of
0:33:14all the college education stuff and I
0:33:17you know I took a year off to go dig
0:33:19ditches and Ghana or whatever and I
0:33:22don't think that's helped i mean i'm not
0:33:24happy if you gamble much but i mean i
0:33:27can make five hundred dollars a night
0:33:28playing blackjack on the computer and
0:33:31then in the casino i'm down 200 bucks an
0:33:33hour and the difference is even if it's
0:33:35a dollar even if it's a nickel if it's
0:33:37real money it's different and anybody
0:33:39who thinks that's otherwise is either
0:33:43lying or has never had a little bit of
0:33:46money right
0:33:47it changes everything and it's there
0:33:48studying God turns out there's reams and
0:33:51reams of research about how people will
0:33:52put this tight weird amount of value
0:33:54into a tiny little thing just because
0:33:55it's a game that they want to win or
0:33:57just because there's all kinds of crazy
0:33:59wiring in our heads especially as
0:34:01Americans that like I think we are all
0:34:04really hard wire to make a lot
0:34:06shade decisions about having that kind
0:34:07of money yes yes well that's like that's
0:34:10exactly right like what do we value and
0:34:13I look I look around you look around the
0:34:14room you're sitting in right now and say
0:34:16alright you have a hundred and ten
0:34:18million dollars boom it just arrived
0:34:20it's in your bank account
0:34:21what do you keep of the stuff that's in
0:34:24your room right now anything right
0:34:28I mean what do you what do you if you if
0:34:31you move to a nice place one of your
0:34:34stuff do you bring what do you put what
0:34:37do you have people put in boxes for you
0:34:38and bring to your new house like your
0:34:40college textbooks i think i think a
0:34:42hundred million is interesting but I
0:34:43think potentially two million is even
0:34:46more interesting because a hundred
0:34:48million like that's of course you know
0:34:50people people think oh no I'm going to
0:34:51be very wise now you're going to go buy
0:34:53a bunch of stupid stuff like you know
0:34:54what i mean the the thing is something
0:34:56like 30 million is much more scary
0:34:58because it would I mean you could blow
0:35:01that on one house
0:35:02yeah very easily you know I've said this
0:35:05before on some other shows but like I
0:35:06think part of it is like people who look
0:35:08at other people in terms of status or
0:35:10wealth and hmm they're gonna build a
0:35:13it's like you know if you had that
0:35:15hundred-million-dollar date just go go
0:35:17look in history look in the last 150
0:35:18years these dumbass state lotteries and
0:35:20go look at how many people today are
0:35:22really happy after they won over a
0:35:24hundred thousand dollars in the lottery
0:35:25and the numbers are not good because
0:35:28those people spent their entire not this
0:35:30is reductive but by and large those are
0:35:32people they play the lottery right to
0:35:34play the lottery most of those people
0:35:36had zero practice having money and it
0:35:39was thinking you can run a marathon it's
0:35:40like thinking that you can go out and
0:35:42play a rock show even though you never
0:35:43picked up a guitar any of that stuff
0:35:44it's exactly the same thing except now
0:35:47everybody knows you got a bunch of money
0:35:48the two the two million dollar amount is
0:35:51see that's a different game for me
0:35:54because i know and you know we know
0:35:57people who one day did have two million
0:36:01dollars like that is not an abstract
0:36:04amount of money anymore if if if we have
0:36:07been playing this game 15 years ago
0:36:08right 22 million dollars would have been
0:36:10like whoa
0:36:11what would i do that i like somebody I
0:36:14met a foundation board meeting at my
0:36:16college in 1990 right like one person
0:36:19like a little lady or something that
0:36:21like I was clutching her pearls around
0:36:23her neck but several friends that that
0:36:25sure more money than that and it's
0:36:26seared so do I you mean and not just
0:36:29people in rock and roll but like people
0:36:30or people just been the in the world
0:36:32that made a fuckin camera app you know
0:36:35but particularly the particularly like
0:36:38it's a fucking god damn camera app for a
0:36:43stupid ass goddamn phone and now they're
0:36:47sitting around with a solid gold thumb
0:36:49up their ass weighs 150 million
0:36:52different
0:36:53well the two million is different
0:36:54because i have thought about the
0:36:57two-million-dollar thing at that is an
0:37:00amount that it is not only plausible
0:37:02that some of our friends have you know
0:37:06had sort of like the check arrived but
0:37:09Merlin it is completely plausible that
0:37:12you will make 2 million dollars at one
0:37:14juncture or that i will like that is an
0:37:17amount of money that is it is possible
0:37:20we will see so it's different from a
0:37:23hundred million because i already have
0:37:24seen what two million dollars does to
0:37:26somebody
0:37:27yeah and I life really fucking
0:37:30complicated get your life gets more
0:37:31complicated but I've seen people do it
0:37:33well you know I've seen people I've seen
0:37:35people go through four million dollars
0:37:37and come out the other side with papas
0:37:39accept a divorce but I've also seen
0:37:43people you know have two to four million
0:37:45dollars and do it and make it you know
0:37:47come out the other side like with a
0:37:49higher definitely like they have more
0:37:51problems understand like an example like
0:37:53that you got to think more about just
0:37:54dumb stuff you can give me an example
0:37:56some time ago like theoretically there's
0:37:59somebody who your pals with and they're
0:38:01doing pretty ok and you take turns
0:38:03picking up the tab right right right
0:38:05then something happens
0:38:07somebody's ritual as things happen and
0:38:09now let's say hypothetically one of
0:38:12those people has 24 his or her own
0:38:14sanity become a lot more circumspect
0:38:16about picking up the tab
0:38:18yes because people going to start to
0:38:20expect that or the right of the envious
0:38:21or whatever right now and then you get
0:38:24the infrastructure and then you get it
0:38:26now you've gotta like get a birthday
0:38:28gift for the lawn guy and if you don't
0:38:30think that's real dude that is so rich
0:38:32the hammer problem it is back the hammer
0:38:34problem well it's yeah it's that it's
0:38:36now all of a sudden you're given valet
0:38:37parking guys 20 bucks I i want to repeal
0:38:40remind me to come back to this i was at
0:38:41the hotel this weekend did you see
0:38:43hammer know what I was at the tonga room
0:38:46yeah I was up on the roof what yeah yeah
0:38:48someone our talented up on the roof
0:38:50where I Spit on the San Francisco cable
0:38:52car and then the cablecard tweeted at me
0:38:55help my daughter over that presence is
0:38:56me and thought of you I thought finally
0:38:59have you did you like the view it's a
0:39:00beautiful view of you and she was she
0:39:02wasn't showing scared it's kind of weird
0:39:04and like she's wired right but so that
0:39:07the hundred million is in that the
0:39:09problem is like there's something that
0:39:10is probably bullshit you know anybody
0:39:13with a hundred million dollars
0:39:14yes and I know at least five people i
0:39:18think probably somebody is what is so
0:39:21great hundred is the hundred meant to be
0:39:23a in the trick of this trick question is
0:39:26that meant to be like you're not saying
0:39:2850 billion dollars can write saying
0:39:31$50,000 you're saying it's an amount
0:39:33that seems large enough to seem like on
0:39:35the face of it like you could maybe
0:39:36never spend it if you were never spend
0:39:39it all if you weren't you know a gambler
0:39:40something I feel like a hundred million
0:39:42is this amount where you easily could
0:39:45live on it and your descendants could
0:39:48live on it but you could also squander
0:39:52it
0:39:52oh it's like that is it is a it you
0:39:55could either establish need that your
0:39:58family name for generations with a
0:40:00hundred million dollars i mean i don't
0:40:02know my father was pretty good friends
0:40:05with George warehouse her and I don't
0:40:07think the warehouses or worth a hundred
0:40:10million dollars in 1970 I mean maybe if
0:40:15you if you took all the land that they
0:40:17owned by me a hundred million dollars in
0:40:211970 it was an inconceivable amount of
0:40:23money that was like that was inflation
0:40:26freaks me and it blows my mind all the
0:40:28time and they're just like I'm going to
0:40:30say this and I'm going to call one of my
0:40:32one of my periodic please don't respond
0:40:34the way you want to respond
0:40:35what it might cost if certain things
0:40:38happen in governance these days
0:40:41mmm mmm where this happened in 1995 and
0:40:46it costs a billion dollars and the
0:40:48speculation is that was this time it
0:40:49might be 2 billion dollars i was
0:40:51thinking about when I was a kid and the
0:40:54the most comfortable people the
0:40:58wealthiest people that we were very very
0:40:59good friends with owned a head for
0:41:02generations on a coal mine in Kentucky
0:41:04and they were the first people i know
0:41:07and i know this because my phone was in
0:41:08real estate in this woman sold real
0:41:09estate as well the first people i knew
0:41:11they had a house the cost a hundred
0:41:12thousand dollars
0:41:13yeah it was this is 1977-78 it was 100%
0:41:18custom every kid doing kid had a room
0:41:21with astro turf and a golf like going
0:41:24can't afford another guy had a bed on a
0:41:27raised a as another girl had probably
0:41:29I'd say probably 500 square foot bedroom
0:41:32was awesome they had their wet bars was
0:41:34so something like six bedrooms and had a
0:41:37telephone booth and operating telephone
0:41:39booth in there in there like record TV
0:41:41area
0:41:42oh it was on was it was a British
0:41:44telephone booth like a red it's really
0:41:46cincinnati bell i'm guessing but it was
0:41:48no bit complete irish bar actually at
0:41:52the country of Ireland was then it was
0:41:58on beautiful land and they had dogs and
0:42:00200,000 but you were great people but it
0:42:03stays like that honestly John I'm sorry
0:42:06it does not seem like that long ago that
0:42:08was a hundred you remember do you
0:42:10remember the first time you heard the
0:42:12term a billion dollars
0:42:15yeah that's why that's when that joke
0:42:16started about you know billion with Abby
0:42:18because you're like no no i'm talking
0:42:20about a thousand times more than that
0:42:22yeah right reduced when Carl second
0:42:24would say billions and billions of stars
0:42:26the word billion was unfamiliar to us
0:42:29and his his coinage of billions and
0:42:34billions was like that the word billion
0:42:38about the signs in the parlance i do it
0:42:41was a science word like it was like like
0:42:44the word Google could the google glass
0:42:47like these weren't words in the in the
0:42:50in the common parlance because like when
0:42:54the Hunt Brothers cornered the silver
0:42:56market in 1980 and basically had bought
0:43:00up all the liquid silver all the all the
0:43:04silver that was being traded at an
0:43:06attempt to corner the world market on
0:43:09silver how much money we were talking
0:43:11about 50 million dollars me which seemed
0:43:14like an inconceivable amount of money at
0:43:16the time right and they drove silver up
0:43:18to fifty dollars now that way I i may be
0:43:21wrong about this 15 million dollars but
0:43:23like a billion dollars was the type of
0:43:25thing was only a term that got talked
0:43:28about in government budgets and land
0:43:31world population world population and
0:43:33maybe switch the number of stars in the
0:43:36galaxy
0:43:37yeah you're right million million is
0:43:39like now million barely registers not
0:43:42because I've got that kind of money but
0:43:44now when I hear million thrown out there
0:43:45because there are so many numbers we
0:43:47hear every day it doesn't even really
0:43:48register like us to it's like there are
0:43:50million notes in every one of my guitar
0:43:53solos we bought a house my mom bought a
0:43:56house when I was when I was 10 and was a
0:44:00very modest house but it was a
0:44:01three-bedroom house on with the front
0:44:04yard backyard climbing trees you know if
0:44:07it had some renovation but needed work
0:44:09but in 1976 my mom bought a
0:44:12three-bedroom want to have bath house
0:44:15for twenty-eight thousand dollars isn't
0:44:19that and then like even check this out
0:44:21now even in 1999 have a really good
0:44:23friend who he his wife and bought a
0:44:25house and then moved out here for to
0:44:28work at the place where I work
0:44:29he had a court is gonna kill you John he
0:44:31had a corner lot in Tallahassee on a
0:44:33beautiful Street in Tallahassee mature
0:44:35trees all around corner lot three
0:44:38bedrooms sixty thousand dollars
0:44:39yeah in the late nineties yeah doesn't
0:44:42that seem and then and then it was funny
0:44:44as then when my friend moved here and we
0:44:47worked the realestate.com together he
0:44:50would spend a lot of his decks just
0:44:51going through all the real estate
0:44:52listings to find the most unbelievable
0:44:55thing that he could find all right
0:44:57here's a really good one now
0:44:59a lower noe valley fire damage haha down
0:45:05450,000 anytime you see one of my deal
0:45:13and it's ABC fire-damaged it's something
0:45:16that God 650 yeah yeah and I all of this
0:45:21that like the the way that money has
0:45:24become unreal has detached my
0:45:28imagination from the real to like I do
0:45:31spend an inordinate amount of time
0:45:33looking up a dirt roads as I'm driving
0:45:38on you know two-lane blacktop in western
0:45:41washington looking up dirt roads into
0:45:43the trees just to see if maybe there's a
0:45:45drug deal gone wrong up there and
0:45:46there's a there's a van full of money
0:45:48this is the devil back scenario
0:45:50double-bag scenario like it is a it is
0:45:52becoming a sickness because money seems
0:45:55so comically unreal that it just seems
0:45:58like oh well sure there are duffel bags
0:46:01of money being driven down the road all
0:46:05around me did you see this thing in the
0:46:06newspaper the other day a think the
0:46:09government in Heidelberg Germany went to
0:46:12the newspapers and said will the person
0:46:15who left the 10 pounds of gold bars and
0:46:21duffel bag full of cash in a blocker at
0:46:25the bus station please come forward
0:46:27because the because we were emptying out
0:46:31the lockers that had expired and we
0:46:34found this like these pounds of gold and
0:46:38suitcase full of money and there appears
0:46:40to be no it doesn't seem like it's
0:46:42connected to a crime and we'd would just
0:46:46like to return it to its owner like are
0:46:50you kidding me
0:46:51and that's that sounds like a jam but
0:46:53that sounds like like chief Wiggum
0:46:55telling you to come get your boat you
0:46:57know if you think so you think so i
0:46:58think it's a little bit like that's my
0:47:00body haha that's the jackal comma Carlos
0:47:03please come collect your boat jackal
0:47:08haha
0:47:09try to look at the details on this right
0:47:13here because here's the here's the other
0:47:14side of this we talk about the unreality
0:47:15is a I think I don't know so my father
0:47:22was born just a few months before the
0:47:26crash oh no they didnt did her work this
0:47:30morning
0:47:31don't run out of buildings follow was
0:47:33born better gonna get the right number
0:47:35on this um but I think you know unless
0:47:41you're like me and a PBS buff ya ladies
0:47:44uh I think Ally i'm guessing a lot of
0:47:48people of our age and younger are not
0:47:50they know they know the Depression was
0:47:51bad the Great Depression they know it
0:47:53was bad they may see pictures of
0:47:54children selling apples but I'm not
0:47:58gonna put well you know what I almost
0:47:59went bad direction
0:48:00yeah let's just say this stuff happened
0:48:02in the twenties and thirties that nobody
0:48:04thought would ever happen
0:48:05the first thing that never happened
0:48:09where people who had a lot of money
0:48:10suddenly didn't have it
0:48:11yeah the crash and people like Groucho
0:48:14Marx and I'm i just remember hearing the
0:48:17crowd show
0:48:18well all I mean like seriously I think
0:48:21he's in less than a week he lost pretty
0:48:24much all because there was this part of
0:48:26the problem again part of the let me get
0:48:28my a great historical perspective in
0:48:30here part of the very problem with what
0:48:31led to the crash so many of the problems
0:48:33with one of them was that people were so
0:48:34heavily stuffing money into the stock
0:48:36market because it was such an obvious
0:48:37thing you're you get dummy right not to
0:48:40put all of your money into these stocks
0:48:42well just like in 1998 1999 precisely
0:48:45precisely even though even though
0:48:48delivering bags of pet food by US mail
0:48:51doesn't in retrospect seem like such a
0:48:53great idea
0:48:54hey i've got i've still got my kokomo a
0:48:56can message osman over them getting a
0:49:01job stainless i don't i don't actually
0:49:03have a coke mode but as a great bags
0:49:05I know it's a status symbol among a
0:49:07certain kind of aging i get my Christmas
0:49:09shopping recognize my Christmas shopping
0:49:12christmas shopping they just bring it to
0:49:14your house but but I anyway I just
0:49:16interesting to think about something
0:49:17like Groucho he and his brothers and he
0:49:19was you know
0:49:22I'm trying to think check out was big
0:49:25gambler
0:49:26it was always out of money everybody
0:49:27says Harper was great guy
0:49:29elska which ones fo nobody knows anyway
0:49:31Groucho's made a lot of dough and he's
0:49:33pretty good with money and I think he
0:49:36had perhaps at least hundreds of
0:49:38thousands maybe millions of dollars
0:49:40let's just say that by 1930 standards he
0:49:42done pretty well yeah and then in
0:49:45something like i'll say a month but I'm
0:49:46gonna get really more like three or four
0:49:47days it was just gone deef it was gone
0:49:50and guess what you owe money because now
0:49:51there's calls
0:49:52Yeah right there stuff where you had
0:49:54shorted to her you know what I mean like
0:49:55where you you had a cup and the term you
0:49:58know where you can shoot the market
0:49:59short-sheet the market and now they want
0:50:01to know where the legs that's right and
0:50:02so you end it go from being like set for
0:50:06the rest of your life to this looks bad
0:50:09to you it's all my god to now i owe
0:50:12money
0:50:13yeah like that's it's just that that
0:50:16when people sit around and got a hundred
0:50:17nine dollars i go to flip zap zap I go
0:50:20do all this obviously safe stuff i mean
0:50:22it's i would be tempted to put in a bus
0:50:25Locker in Germany
0:50:27yeah well then this is the this is the
0:50:29one I keep coming back to which is that
0:50:31money is fake
0:50:32you know money is is fake and I was
0:50:34thinking about it the other day I was
0:50:36sitting in a hotel in portland and i
0:50:39realized that something had happened I
0:50:41don't remember when this happened but I
0:50:43had crossed a threshold where I no
0:50:47longer looked at the prices of items on
0:50:50menus like I have crossed a threshold
0:50:55where the most expensive item on the
0:50:59menu is no longer a daunting amount like
0:51:04Oh is the steak forty dollars is it
0:51:07fifty dollars like I'm I'm already
0:51:10committed to eating in this restaurant
0:51:11and I'm going to order the thing that I
0:51:15want
0:51:16and I'm not gonna order the chicken
0:51:18because it's $18 i'm just going to order
0:51:22the steak and I'm not gonna whatever the
0:51:25price of the thing is no longer matters
0:51:27and that is a that is a threshold of
0:51:30prosperity that I went over at a certain
0:51:33point and most of us spend our lives the
0:51:36menu comes and sometimes you sit down in
0:51:39the wrong restaurant on the menu comes
0:51:40in you Blanche because you're like oh
0:51:42shit I didn't realize blast
0:51:44yeah right and i have blanched my whole
0:51:48life like the menu comes and I look at
0:51:50it like oh fuck I did not know that this
0:51:52was going to be a fifty-dollar steak
0:51:54let's skip wines get the hell out of
0:51:57here you know and you stand up and put
0:51:58the menu down and like tiptoe back out
0:52:00of the restaurant but at a certain point
0:52:02I whatever however I measure my
0:52:06prosperity it I I now realize that if
0:52:10i'm going to walk into a restaurant and
0:52:11sit down I'm going to order whatever the
0:52:13fuck I want and I'm not I don't look at
0:52:15the price and when the when the ticket
0:52:17comes i look at the amount on it only to
0:52:20calculate a generous tip and this is
0:52:24evident this is firsthand evidence of
0:52:26prosperity like i did not ever I didn't
0:52:30know that this was a measuring line
0:52:32again we even realize the you went from
0:52:35having an unconscious budget to not
0:52:38thinking about it
0:52:38yeah i did not aspire to one day I want
0:52:41to live in a world where I can order off
0:52:42the menu and not look at the price but
0:52:45one day I did that did happen
0:52:48um and so as I was sitting in this hotel
0:52:51lobby eating my mushrooms in garlic wine
0:52:55sauce that had been brought to me by by
0:52:59a delightful and capable server i was
0:53:02saying what is the next what is the next
0:53:04threshold for me is it that I by our be
0:53:08able to buy a car without thinking about
0:53:12how much it costs like there are people
0:53:14who say i want that car I want the
0:53:19porsche cayman because i am a tasteless
0:53:22person who wants an SUV that looks like
0:53:26a Porsche 911 like I want a
0:53:30thing I got that sounds awful I don't
0:53:32want have you not seen the porsche
0:53:34cayman I'm gonna get going
0:53:36the Porsche Cayman is a they were like
0:53:38we got to get in we have to get in on
0:53:41this SUV markets but we only make von
0:53:44Kahr which is the 911 wouldn't so even
0:53:48make it into an SUV and it's like no
0:53:52that is a terrible terrible terrible
0:53:54looking car it looks like it looks like
0:53:57a man i'm seeing looks like a regular
0:53:59sports car away now what it's not the
0:54:01came and what is that what is the what
0:54:02is the 911 was the 911 SUV it's got a
0:54:06name to find a porsche SUV porsche
0:54:12cayenne little Cayenne right not came
0:54:15and died and none of these are words why
0:54:18are they calling why are they using why
0:54:21are they using Central American words so
0:54:24this is the worst of every world
0:54:27yeah it looks like they took they took a
0:54:28corvette stingray and they crossed it
0:54:31with a with a dodge minivan and then
0:54:34they put a 911 front bumper on it anyway
0:54:39there are people that go down to the
0:54:41authority 9600 dollars for the standard
0:54:43model for the base model and get that
0:54:46the top track speed of 42 miles per hour
0:54:49yeah well there you gotta capitalize you
0:54:51can pick up diapers really fast like I
0:54:53was walking down the street the other
0:54:54day and a guy drives by in a Maserati
0:54:56and I was like right a Maserati like
0:54:59they still make Maseratis and it's a
0:55:03certain small small percentage of people
0:55:05still buy Maseratis and looking at this
0:55:09guy's he drove by and and and it was not
0:55:12sir mix-a-lot it was just a regular guy
0:55:15but looking as amazing as you drove by
0:55:17i'm guessing that he was not a Joe Walsh
0:55:20fan and not buying a Maserati like just
0:55:24because that was like a
0:55:25don't-don't-don't i love that he was a
0:55:29huge fan of funk number 49 and this is
0:55:32like the next to the next jam so people
0:55:35still buy Maseratis but they have to be
0:55:37people that are either likes betting the
0:55:40farm
0:55:41or there really are people that just as
0:55:44I no longer look at menu prices they are
0:55:48not concerned about how much cars cost
0:55:50like I'm gonna get this car and it is
0:55:54two hundred thousand dollars and I'm
0:55:56just going to go get it and that is a
0:55:59that I so I do I aspire to have that be
0:56:01my next one that's that's ridiculous
0:56:04closet minority report on that so first
0:56:08of all with many things now do the other
0:56:10thing you can do in the menu and I've
0:56:11done this in hotels is to like figure
0:56:13out like what it is that I want based on
0:56:15how much it costs because I probably
0:56:16want the most is when one example where
0:56:19I will probably just get the most
0:56:20expensive steak which is faster for me
0:56:21to find the most expensive to find the
0:56:23most expensive steak in order to be
0:56:24absolutely blown away not a way I
0:56:27conduct myself with any other kind of
0:56:28thing in the world right now as we've
0:56:30learned from where you you like yourself
0:56:33a top-shelf Nicaraguan who what are the
0:56:38Cuban nothing with their work i see are
0:56:41on I won't go into it
0:56:43yeah i've cut back on you can cut you
0:56:45can cut this all out now I want but no
0:56:47Mike my tasting those things is you know
0:56:51what you're willing to spend twenty
0:56:53dollars on the cigar for what di dunno
0:56:58but you know that's unusual so here's
0:56:59what I'm going to say about this as
0:57:00we've learned from watching the great
0:57:02tumblr rich kids on this Instagram and
0:57:04there are people who are there to let
0:57:07you know it like exactly how much it
0:57:08cost so i might not what I'm saying this
0:57:10might be obvious is I think some people
0:57:12are gonna look at the price i think if
0:57:14they've got the dough they might go in
0:57:15and make sure they didn't get the third
0:57:17most of all I see are getting there
0:57:18looking at the price but they're looking
0:57:19at it just captures get their heads with
0:57:22their cars sit around and talk about the
0:57:24dickhead cars
0:57:25yeah and they like they're going to line
0:57:27up the black BMW and talk about life i
0:57:29know there's always gonna think oh you
0:57:31didn't get the the sports rimjob rimjob
0:57:35share all of you rim job
0:57:38that looks that looks so great for a
0:57:40standard sports room yeah i went ahead
0:57:42and got the variant rimjob yeah very
0:57:44rude job
0:57:45yeah it's only six of them well okay
0:57:48you're absolutely right that among among
0:57:50nouveau reach and Bend probably among
0:57:53all reach there is there is a price
0:57:56consciousness
0:57:57okay yeah the wrong reasons but but for
0:58:00me like my goal is to it would be nice
0:58:05to be the and I think this is the
0:58:08aspiration to live more or less as I do
0:58:11now but to be able to have the luxury to
0:58:16be unconscious of money like i do not
0:58:20want a Maserati and conscious or
0:58:22unworried unconscious I did you know you
0:58:27don't have to think about it in the
0:58:29daily sort of like I need to go to New
0:58:31York tomorrow i'm going to buy a plane
0:58:33ticket and to not sit and have to go
0:58:37well let's see there's an aisle seat
0:58:39next to the exit row and maybe I can you
0:58:43know maybe i can get like the upgrade
0:58:45like to just say i'm flying to New York
0:58:48tomorrow and i'm buying a ticket and I'm
0:58:50flying
0:58:51yes and and you know to live to live
0:58:54with the sort of a base amount of
0:58:56comfort and be and be like have the
0:59:00luxury of not pinching ever go um and
0:59:08you know and honestly like I think the
0:59:09dream i think i think that is in anybody
0:59:11i think could agree it would be nice to
0:59:14not have to check prices on things
0:59:15yeah you know I mean of setting aside
0:59:17that somebody tries to slip into seven
0:59:19thousand dollars steak but in an
0:59:20ordinary day-to-day stuff it would be
0:59:22kind of nice
0:59:23do you know pick up the tab without
0:59:25having to look at it
0:59:26yeah i think i was never do but this is
0:59:28the problem is you get when you get the
0:59:30money
0:59:31what you do is you say eat what you do
0:59:34is you don't say I can go to the
0:59:37supermarket now and buy whatever I want
0:59:39to not have to worry you say I don't
0:59:42have to go to the supermarket anymore
0:59:44i'm going to send somebody for me
0:59:47and then you are now you're paying
0:59:49you're paying a different level you're
0:59:52paying you're not just paying for the
0:59:54groceries you're paying for someone he
0:59:56and you're opening the door to where I
0:59:58was hoping to walk which is you know
0:59:58was hoping to walk which is you know
1:00:00and to paraphrase are our late friend
1:00:01Leslie Hart fault i hate buying presents
1:00:03for my presence right when i get a phone
1:00:05the last thing we have to do is go buy a
1:00:06bunch of stuff for the phone right and
1:00:08this is this is the entourage problem
1:00:10because it is i miss the poor kid point
1:00:12of view from me but I think it's such a
1:00:14fairly small number of steps from give
1:00:17me the second cheapest everything right
1:00:19to give me the third most expensive
1:00:22everything
1:00:22well yeah but I think the thing is i
1:00:25mean i always feel like I've had a
1:00:26fairly low threshold for celebration in
1:00:28my life like I can make anything into a
1:00:29special event if I feel like it i love
1:00:31Jeff why should get this nicer one
1:00:33because today I murder or whatever but
1:00:36like in the case of what you're
1:00:37describing I think it makes a lot of
1:00:38sense
1:00:39here's the thing in my experience in
1:00:40this way a struggle so much with the
1:00:42travel stuff with you know work stuff
1:00:45because a flight flight across the
1:00:46United States cost seven hundred dollars
1:00:48round trip
1:00:49yeah now if i want to i mean i find out
1:00:52until the last minute on the radio check
1:00:53out i might be able to get an extra
1:00:55nanometer no knee room for sixty dollars
1:00:59each way or eighty dollars each way if
1:01:01you're a gold member
1:01:02no big deal right there i'll pay that
1:01:04but now let's be honest that's like
1:01:06another sixteen percent on top of what I
1:01:08just spent not a huge deal i don't know
1:01:10the last time you about business class
1:01:11if business classes available that's
1:01:14going to be a two-thousand-dollar flight
1:01:16if its first class that might be a three
1:01:18or four thousand dollars and so now
1:01:21you're back to know what can I afford ok
1:01:23let's just do business class but
1:01:25remember your fancy now so you got an
1:01:27assistant so your assistant gonna sit in
1:01:29coach will know you want them taking
1:01:30education and shine your nails and shit
1:01:32like that you know what about the car
1:01:33will now you gotta have it you know
1:01:35collagen is like I maybe this is just
1:01:37like this the limitations of my mind but
1:01:38that's why the hundred million dollar
1:01:40question is so interesting to me because
1:01:41i don't think people iterate they don't
1:01:45do enough iterations of the future where
1:01:48you go one iteration of the future i pay
1:01:49off on my family's debt super nice
1:01:51ok next iteration the future no family
1:01:53knows you have tons of money and you
1:01:54have less now
1:01:55ok ok i will have the systems that this
1:01:59is where it gets this is where it's such
1:02:01a brain teaser for people because i pad
1:02:02I just I just pose this question to a
1:02:05lady friend of mine the other day and
1:02:06she said well made a hundred million
1:02:08dollars it's like
1:02:09you're not really set for life I mean
1:02:11you could blow through that pretty fast
1:02:14did not set for your life and I was like
1:02:16say what know exactly tell me how a
1:02:19hundred million dollars is not set for
1:02:21life and she was like well I mean you
1:02:22know he's just a little bit here a
1:02:25little bit there and I'm like a little
1:02:27bit here a little bit there a hundred
1:02:29million dollars that's a million dollars
1:02:32a year for a hundred years 2 billion
1:02:35dollars a year for 50 years and she's
1:02:37like well yeah exactly 2 million dollars
1:02:39a year like I would have no trouble
1:02:42spending 2 billion dollars a year and I
1:02:44was like oh look at this way I'm gonna
1:02:47I'm gonna find totally pulling this out
1:02:49of my ass but this is my postulation I
1:02:51don't say it but think about whether
1:02:53it's your that later who ever think
1:02:54about the largest amount of money that
1:02:57you've ever had in a liquid form like
1:03:01you could spend this money
1:03:03yep and let's say that whatever $50,000
1:03:07let's say that some happen your family
1:03:08so we passed away
1:03:10you gotta know to two hundred thousand
1:03:11dollars whatever it is that you would
1:03:13rush to go do stuff with to like a but i
1:03:16think if you give somebody more i'm
1:03:19making this up if you give somebody
1:03:21let's call that they're there
1:03:24jee le their greatest liquidity event
1:03:28you give people agree that the GL 'if
1:03:31you give them three times the previous
1:03:33largest liquidity event
1:03:34yeah it might as well be a zillion
1:03:36dollars I don't think for a minute and
1:03:39i'll just be for myself in time for
1:03:41myself with money like if it's more than
1:03:43a certain amount you know if you have to
1:03:45somebody else to do something tomorrow
1:03:46morning at 8am I'd say no come on I'm
1:03:48busy something to do something some
1:03:50morning at 8am five years from now I'll
1:03:51probably say yes it's exactly the same
1:03:52amount of time it's just--that's million
1:03:54years away of course i can do that and
1:03:56in that same way a lot of folks so they
1:03:58get three times there i was a jammy dle
1:04:01Julie yeah well I think something like
1:04:03high school test 11 extended weekend in
1:04:07Las Vegas not spent well yeah you could
1:04:11drop you could you know what I'm going
1:04:14to say this i think you could drop a
1:04:15hundred thousand dollars in las vegas
1:04:17without even trying
1:04:18oh you would just did slip on a banana
1:04:19peel and it's gone eat you know it lets
1:04:21just even say
1:04:22you go to like hundred-dollar cables in
1:04:24blackjack but it can't everything starts
1:04:26moving up you know if they make copy
1:04:27room they're not gonna copy cristal we
1:04:29gotta get crystal I'm rich now
1:04:31so now you're saying this new pattern
1:04:33and it's like you know it's you're still
1:04:35that same person as i like to say
1:04:37wherever you travel the old you comes
1:04:39along in the suitcase
1:04:40well and this is this is part part of
1:04:42what I what worries me is that my
1:04:45greatest liquidity event was in 2008 i
1:04:52had a hundred and thirty thousand
1:04:58dollars because the Lord to the part for
1:05:02the point for the purpose of
1:05:04illustrating this story
1:05:06yeah and it was a combination of a TV ad
1:05:09it was all this money that i made as a
1:05:11rock musician and what did i do with it
1:05:15I didn't work for five more years like I
1:05:22did nothing with it i have spent the
1:05:25last five years not doing anything
1:05:29except drawing down after your own era
1:05:36it's yeah like that you've actually
1:05:38inherited money for its up I every day I
1:05:41go on my favorite website bring a
1:05:42trailer calm and I look at hot rod cars
1:05:45and I go who that'd be a cool car
1:05:48look at that be cool car and a great
1:05:51number of these cars are affordable to
1:05:53me you know they're fifteen thousand
1:05:55dollars for a certain kind of hot rodder
1:05:57you know $10,000 $20,000 and I've been
1:06:01looking at these cars the entire time
1:06:02when I had a veritable fortune I mean
1:06:07and I had this amount of money in the
1:06:08bank this wasn't like money that was
1:06:10promised to me i was still earning money
1:06:12right
1:06:13this was funny and in the bank and what
1:06:15did i do I just kept living like I've
1:06:19been living which is so fucking easy
1:06:21I go to New York I go to san francisco i
1:06:23go to Portland I go to wherever I want
1:06:26to go and I stand hotels and I eat food
1:06:29but i did not increase the amount of
1:06:32luxury
1:06:33OIC
1:06:35a massage did you okay i did not start
1:06:38spending more money than i had ever done
1:06:42and up until that point I had been
1:06:44living on twenty thousand dollars a year
1:06:47and i continued to more or less live on
1:06:51twenty thousand dollars a year because
1:06:54you know I don't drink and I don't smoke
1:06:56and I don't you know I don't buy I think
1:06:59you can't discount gambling gambling is
1:07:01this secret shame thing I keep learning
1:07:02more and more people are gambling was
1:07:05just their undoing
1:07:06yeah I don't gamble i do not it'sit's
1:07:08wearing your sergeants in a way it's
1:07:10worse than drugs because in the sense
1:07:12that like you know if you buy the most
1:07:15expensive big old bunch of cocaine in
1:07:16the world or heroin or whatever whatever
1:07:18is expensive you know if you did all of
1:07:21that in one night you would die
1:07:23yeah or be very very ill but you could
1:07:26spend 50 times more than you've ever
1:07:28spent on gambling in one night just
1:07:29because you felt like you were hot
1:07:31yeah right oh you did you know upper
1:07:33limit to that you will and you will
1:07:34regrettably still be alive when that's
1:07:36done but I don't but you know I don't
1:07:38like it and so right so my concern is
1:07:42that if I mean that and this is why pose
1:07:45this question to everybody is that I'm
1:07:48legitimately worried that if I won a
1:07:52hundred million dollars or if I earned
1:07:55two million dollars
1:07:57this is the hundred million dollars is
1:07:58like if I $109 i would not keep living
1:08:01on twenty thousand dollars a year i
1:08:03would definitely like to up my game a
1:08:06little bit but if I made two million
1:08:08dollars if something for some reason I i
1:08:10made a good record or i sold a book you
1:08:14know making one of those two million
1:08:15dollar books or you know was it for
1:08:18whatever reason became an entertainment
1:08:20property such that iron 2 million
1:08:23dollars
1:08:24I'm very worried that I would just
1:08:27put it in the bank and stop working
1:08:29forever and live on the same sort of 30
1:08:33grand a year with a nice worried but you
1:08:37know I I want to be more i want to be a
1:08:41little bit more flamboyant i mean i
1:08:43would I feel like so ghetto go get an
1:08:47expensive watch at the very light my
1:08:48analysis from afar would be if I hear
1:08:51what you're really saying is that you're
1:08:53not making as much stuff as you'd like
1:08:55right now and if you had a hundred
1:08:57million dollars that's really all the
1:08:58reason you need to not make another
1:09:00thing again and that's the last thing in
1:09:02the world you need right now right
1:09:04my classes that mean yes yes but i
1:09:06cannot but i cannot say to myself you're
1:09:09bored poverty is a blessing and you know
1:09:14you're gonna you need to you need to get
1:09:16back to the place where you do look at
1:09:19the prices on menus but not not from the
1:09:23perspective of a 24-year old living in
1:09:25your artist garrett but from the
1:09:27perspective of a 45 year old who is
1:09:30feeling like tighten his belt that is
1:09:34what you need because that might make
1:09:36you pick up the pen and go back to work
1:09:38and work is what gives life meaning and
1:09:42it's just sitting and watching the
1:09:45sitting on your front porch with a with
1:09:47a mug of coffee watching the Sun arc
1:09:50across the sky is not how you should
1:09:55mark your time on this planet and it's
1:09:58what I've been doing for the last five
1:09:59years watching the leaves change because
1:10:02I didn't have to worry
1:10:04and I didn't have that much money i mean
1:10:06i'm honestly right when it by comparison
1:10:11sure I mean there that is not really
1:10:14that much money to live for five years
1:10:17that's pretty remarkable yeah but I but
1:10:20what I spent money than I don't spend
1:10:22money on anything I spent money on
1:10:24everyone's while ago in a restaurant and
1:10:25I don't look at the menu the rest of the
1:10:27time i can meet i get i get somebody
1:10:31gives me a bag of coffee and i'm and i
1:10:34make it and I said on my porch and i
1:10:36watch the leaves change and then it's
1:10:392010 and every once in a while ha
1:10:42judgment calls and says want to do a
1:10:43show in portland I go sure and generally
1:10:47he buys the train ticket so I didn't
1:10:49have to spend any money i can get into
1:10:52your racket that's a good racket
1:10:54well except like that's just enough
1:10:57activity to keep you thinking you're
1:10:59working
1:11:00yeah but i know i'm not i'm I know
1:11:03anything that disparagingly i suffer
1:11:05from the same thing you know i feel like
1:11:06if i can make a tiny little uh you know
1:11:08the sewer pea-sized poopy I really
1:11:10succeeded you know I create anything at
1:11:13all like yeah me get a cookie
1:11:15it goes back to I think a like the like
1:11:20a foundational idea that I had as a
1:11:23young person which was that money was
1:11:25money provided leisure and if you had
1:11:29money then you have the then you had
1:11:31leisure and so leisure is the highest
1:11:34purchase like that is the that is the
1:11:38most valuable commodity and yet i have
1:11:43leisure in abundance and I do not feel
1:11:46rich
1:11:47wait I mean to state the obvious it's
1:11:51hard to appreciate the leisure if you
1:11:53don't also have the work in other words
1:11:55a day off doesn't mean as much if you
1:11:57weren't you know he's doing something
1:11:59that you didn't want to have to do or
1:12:01for that matter that you wanted to do I
1:12:03suppose
1:12:04leisure increases in value and it only
1:12:08in comparison to work or like ultimate
1:12:12leisure with this is the you know my
1:12:14sister went on foreign exchange her
1:12:17junior year in high school she went to
1:12:19st. Lucia which is a island in the
1:12:22caribbean at the southern southern part
1:12:24of the Caribbean and she came back from
1:12:28st. Lucia from a year they're speaking
1:12:31with a kind of patois lilting Caribbean
1:12:37patois and she said you know mine and
1:12:41she's a junior in high school
1:12:42blonde blonde junior in high school
1:12:44shoes like we work to hard up your men
1:12:47got to just relax and I was like it's
1:12:51casual
1:12:52I was like okay okay rastaman check
1:12:56check it but it had a profound effect on
1:13:01her at a bit at a very impressionable
1:13:03age she went to I an island where the
1:13:09breadfruit fell from the trees and the
1:13:12culture on st. Lucia was very much like
1:13:16what are you stressing about you know
1:13:18relax and enjoy yourself and just you
1:13:20know hang out go to the beach like it
1:13:23and she brought that mentality back to
1:13:25Alaska and up until that point she been
1:13:28a real Stryver in her classes you know
1:13:30she'd been up straight excuse she skied
1:13:32is that what it was
1:13:33choose a competitive skier she was a
1:13:35commission competitive and everything
1:13:37she did and she was a real go-getter
1:13:39like a natural-born go get her and it
1:13:43wasn't clear to her what she was going
1:13:44to get but she was just chasing the
1:13:47dragon you know like so many of us in
1:13:50this culture are taught to do like you
1:13:53know get up go go go you gotta get into
1:13:55the school and get into the place and
1:13:57then get the job go go and she went on
1:14:00for exchanging chic
1:14:01back and she was like it's all baloney
1:14:03our whole rat race is baloney and all we
1:14:07have to do is just sit on the beach and
1:14:08wait for the breadfruit to fall from the
1:14:10trees but she did not live in st. Lucia
1:14:13she lived in Alaska there is no
1:14:16breadfruit it does not fall from the
1:14:18trees there and and it became a schism
1:14:23it was a have that experience in her
1:14:25life was actually actually became a
1:14:26schism in our family because there but
1:14:30you know there was no we weren't or we
1:14:33weren't able to moderate our like what
1:14:38our aspirations were anymore as people
1:14:41we don't have to be almost like three
1:14:43rejecting the family's religion it's
1:14:44like shit so outside the paradigm of how
1:14:46you can deal with people
1:14:48yeah we'll be right i mean it kind of
1:14:50disruptive to how your family's
1:14:51organized almost yeah absolutely like it
1:14:53wasn't a question of I mean neither
1:14:56Susan or I were going to go to Yale but
1:14:58that meant that we would try to get into
1:15:02a really good state school like
1:15:05university washington university
1:15:07California you know and that was a place
1:15:10where we could wear where are where we
1:15:13could maintain our pride at least but
1:15:17Susan went to the University of fuckit
1:15:20down in Durango Colorado for loozer
1:15:24college and durango and I think
1:15:28registered for classes and then withdrew
1:15:30from class a week later and took the and
1:15:33got the refund for her tuition and
1:15:35bought a season's pass at a like
1:15:40telluride or Bridger Bowl or somewhere
1:15:42and spent the whole season a smoking pot
1:15:46on the chairlifts and it was just like
1:15:48whoa whoa whoa that's not how we do
1:15:50she was like a man i'm feeling high
1:15:54right now that's Charles too far I I an
1:16:00ice ki-i-i-ng and it was like no you
1:16:04can't even listen to a joke version of
1:16:06that kind of talking and it makes me
1:16:08live it and that she know what it what
1:16:14are you doing and I and and and then I
1:16:16had to reflect on my own version of that
1:16:20which was you know a kind of like my
1:16:27version of it was from from ways manzano
1:16:30you know it was a guy I wanted a I
1:16:33wanted a turtle covered with jewels and
1:16:38I watched each another car covered with
1:16:41jewels in the Clarion layout design made
1:16:44of Allah book it looks fucked up
1:16:50it's really fucked up but you know that
1:16:52was my version of leisure as a reward or
1:16:56leisure as as highest luxury but you
1:17:01know in upon reflection i somehow
1:17:07subvert of my own ambition
1:17:11I mean what am i what would I fight for
1:17:13now what am i fighting for
1:17:15who do I care recognizes me what club do
1:17:20I want to be a member of
1:17:23who you know who what what if not for
1:17:28money or status
1:17:32why work it's too abstract to work for
1:17:38its own sake or to work and I mean and I
1:17:42know that there are people right now who
1:17:44are saying for others for others work
1:17:46for others
1:17:48I got an answer what's your answer I
1:17:51mean it's it's not an easy answer but
1:17:54you work so that you can do the next
1:17:55project that you'd like to do which will
1:17:57help you learn the next project you'd
1:17:59like to do and you can afford to take
1:18:01the the ticket to go somewhere where you
1:18:03may not make as much money but it's the
1:18:05thing that you wanted to do it's not a
1:18:07matter of just to me the leisure part of
1:18:08it i guess if any at this point my life
1:18:11like if anything i wish i had more money
1:18:12i'd love my family more secure but I'd
1:18:14also love to not have to worry about
1:18:16stuff like oh well there's not a lot of
1:18:17money in this show but we'd like you to
1:18:19do this and just be able to do that and
1:18:21then you go and meet people and you
1:18:23become more out there and things like
1:18:25that but but you know in another way it
1:18:26you can look at like anybody else has
1:18:28made anything good out of a bunch of
1:18:29money which is they learn how to find
1:18:31new opportunities and what they were
1:18:33doing not just to make more money but
1:18:34you know if you start giving money away
1:18:36for good causes you meet more people who
1:18:38need money for good causes and you
1:18:39become a manager of that stuff in some
1:18:41ways I think you know I think we run
1:18:44into trouble when we start feeling like
1:18:45we know we're on the end of some kind of
1:18:46a string
1:18:47you know it's just it you know it's just
1:18:50if you have a clear sense right now of
1:18:52what it is you want to create this would
1:18:54not be that hard because you just be
1:18:56able to say you could go out you can
1:18:57produce a movie you could go out and
1:18:59just go approach a filmmaker and say I
1:19:01want to write a soundtrack for this or
1:19:03you could say to somebody hey you know
1:19:04what I really like say go I want to do a
1:19:07commercial for you something like that
1:19:08that's the thing is is giving feeling
1:19:10it's me that the ultimate goal would be
1:19:12to feel empowered non-powered to feel
1:19:14fearless about going and at and like
1:19:17seeking out the projects that you'd like
1:19:18to do and that doesn't work out there's
1:19:20three more you could do that's that's
1:19:21freedom to me it's not about the ability
1:19:23to go out and buy four cars that look at
1:19:25the price is the ability to know that
1:19:27like each failure gets you closer to the
1:19:29next cool thing that you do but it
1:19:30presupposes that I am interested in here
1:19:32in human culture that's true you know
1:19:35that I want to be a member
1:19:36you're interested in human culture i
1:19:38mean i'm interested in it because I
1:19:40don't easy out you know you are because
1:19:42i don't have access to any better
1:19:44cultures you should work with Elon Musk
1:19:53I should and we should go find some
1:19:55smart people out in space in it that
1:20:01would be a hell of a trip this year and
1:20:04tell it yes search for intelligent life
1:20:05with an extremely narrow definition of
1:20:08what intelligences yeah so if you find
1:20:09life but somebody's got a 65 like you
1:20:12just yeah I some right there are you
1:20:14find life and it's even that's 220 IQ
1:20:17people but they're like all talking
1:20:18about sammy hagar record you know Lionel
1:20:22czech intelligence i was i was thinking
1:20:26about this the other day
1:20:27Sammy Hagar and Guy Fieri represents a
1:20:31kind of a dyin i seein human brand right
1:20:37there is a whole sub level of like the
1:20:41rate that work together day they're like
1:20:43Ferengi humans whose who are all wearing
1:20:46flame pants and high-top tennis shoes
1:20:49they wear glasses on the back of their
1:20:52epic with the glasses on the back there
1:20:53they wear baseball caps are backwards
1:20:55chad kroeger is one of these people like
1:20:58there and you can see what once you
1:21:00start to recognize them
1:21:01it's like it's like they live scenario
1:21:03where like oh that's a Hagar shit
1:21:06there's a fee area over there and it's a
1:21:08whole it's a whole class of humans that
1:21:10are living among us and they they you
1:21:14know they look like pan you know they
1:21:17have I'm sure that you look like pan
1:21:20I'm sure that guy fieri and sammy hagar
1:21:22both have very hairy tabs and maybe
1:21:29cloven hooves and they just want to
1:21:32drink wine and party and have a good
1:21:34time and I don't think they're dumb one
1:21:36of those beers can't be shaved off
1:21:37that's right they have little goat
1:21:39beards yeah they look like fucking pan
1:21:42and they are like pan men
1:21:45it and they're living all around us and
1:21:49I think I suspect that they are having a
1:21:50good time they are living on the same
1:21:52planet as me and when I when I'm around
1:21:54Guy Fieri and and sammy hagar people I
1:21:59feel like one of those tall ghost tall
1:22:04like a shadow like elders or whatever
1:22:09like in a in a grey cloak who are living
1:22:12on a gonna get a cold hall and get a
1:22:16long table
1:22:17yeah and the pan people are out like
1:22:19clicks mirroring crushed grapes on their
1:22:22naked chests and like a drum solo
1:22:25playing or whatever and now you got
1:22:26snowboard in here time I'm somewhere you
1:22:30know it's like me and fee waybill and a
1:22:35few waybill here's another one
1:22:36here's another one of the pain people it
1:22:39is a bad person fee
1:22:41yeah for sure but you know I I don't
1:22:44want to be one of the I don't want to be
1:22:45one of the graves i think george w bush
1:22:48might be a closet panties a little bit
1:22:50of a panty panty yeah I know exactly
1:22:52what you mean like we say we
1:22:54disparagingly write these men office
1:22:56douchebags and they certainly are right
1:22:58there's much more to it than that
1:22:59there's so much there's the that the
1:23:02kind of those this printed shirts with
1:23:06lots of like graphical designs on a
1:23:07button up shirt or let's say let's say a
1:23:10suit jacket that someone has stenciled a
1:23:12dragon head on one shoulder it
1:23:15yeah and then resew it was like a thrift
1:23:17store jacket they resold you for two
1:23:18hundred dollars what if ok so the
1:23:20twisted and they live
1:23:22Rowdy Roddy McDowall for the glasses and
1:23:26he's able to see the skeleton people
1:23:27right what if they were their glasses on
1:23:29the back of their neck because that's
1:23:31where their actual eyes are that lets
1:23:33them some other pan man hello
1:23:36so what I'm saying is Elon Musk and I go
1:23:39flying around
1:23:40let's say we would we accidentally like
1:23:44we went into a wormhole but it was
1:23:46accidentally wasn't a wormhole it was
1:23:47just a cloud we came around and we
1:23:50landed on earth
1:23:51banging on the detached look at
1:23:52keep an eye on earth and we thought we
1:23:55had found another place and we landed in
1:23:57cabo san lucas and we got out of the
1:24:00spaceship and were like we're on a
1:24:01desert planet and look at village and we
1:24:05walked over and it was full of sammy
1:24:08hagar this place identifies itself as
1:24:11Sammy's salty rim
1:24:13yeah and they're all they're all eating
1:24:15ribs and drinking margaritas and you can
1:24:19you sue they just all kind of like
1:24:22people who are cooking shows people who
1:24:24are on in briefly in van Halen and will
1:24:28Rachel Ray rachael ray she's a pan
1:24:31pushing her talk her voice does not
1:24:34sound like you would expect in fact now
1:24:36that I think about it every single
1:24:37member Van Halen as a pan person every
1:24:42single one every member of the Scorpions
1:24:46is a pan person this is starting to get
1:24:49fucking creepy and you better be fucking
1:24:51ready to rock and roll
1:24:52no wonder I feel like one of the grains
1:24:54I wish I could I wish I had not seen
1:24:56this I want to I want to unsee this now
1:24:57I want to get back to just wishing i had
1:24:59money because now this is the thing is
1:25:01it used to be something you get this
1:25:02vague feelings where you know there's
1:25:04something there but you don't have the
1:25:05time and inclination to put it together
1:25:06now I can do this this is a chart on the
1:25:09wall for me now
1:25:10that's right what I'm saying if Ilan
1:25:11muscular landed on this planet and and
1:25:13landed on the wrong side of cabo san
1:25:15lucas we might take off again and nuke
1:25:18the place feeling like we can't let this
1:25:21virus spread right but in fact it's it's
1:25:24like half the population of the human
1:25:26beings would you have a prime directive
1:25:29with that with Captain lon
1:25:31would you uh you know it's got a lot of
1:25:33his own opinions I'm sure I would have
1:25:34to negotiate something with him only
1:25:37have one captain of the ship John
1:25:39yeah and I mean I would have to have to
1:25:42guess that he he's not gonna be my
1:25:44scotty but it would be one of those
1:25:45things where he would you know he'd
1:25:47start off as the spot character thinking
1:25:49he was the commander of the enterprise
1:25:51and then they would realize that I was
1:25:53the that I was the board commander and
1:25:56that he would eventually become my first
1:25:58officer I think a good manager knows
1:26:00what theyre not good at yeah yeah and
1:26:02you know you can use logic you can look
1:26:04for you can look to open markets but a
1:26:07certain point you're going to need a guy
1:26:08that's willing to make the hard choices
1:26:09that does not believe in no-win
1:26:10scenarios and that's me
1:26:13kobayashi room and then 10 men 10 men
1:26:19everywhere there but they're not every
1:26:21it's like ten percent of ten percent of
1:26:23the people all you should remember you
1:26:25should go to our mall buddy one hundred
1:26:27percent of Van Halen but ten percent of
1:26:30like the pan mane vacant people
1:26:34uh-huh you think plr plr he seems like
1:26:38he's a pan
1:26:40sure yeah they are definitely rough
1:26:43actually has clothing meet you think
1:26:46Neymar name a rock musician like a
1:26:50definitely all of aerosmith can men and
1:26:54men know the Eagles look Pat men tons of
1:27:00them but pan men that have adopted some
1:27:02kind of sad like like this and you know
1:27:05who else is a is sad pad man he better
1:27:07be better sad man
1:27:10yeah haha
1:27:15I gotta go and take a situation