Roderick on the Line

Ep. 86: "The Junius Issue"


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00:00:12   hello age on Merlin a feeling I'm well I [TS]

00:00:21   on the mend [TS]

00:00:22   I'm well no it's a chris wallace voice [TS]

00:00:25   oh yeah yeah I think I've never I've [TS]

00:00:28   never loved that response [TS]

00:00:30   I'm well is it that's a bellingham thing [TS]

00:00:32   right [TS]

00:00:33   yeah it's the it's the old days the bear [TS]

00:00:35   trap of of getting if you say I'm good [TS]

00:00:38   how are you I'm good [TS]

00:00:40   oh I'm well that's just a little bit of [TS]

00:00:43   like a you're doing well you're doing [TS]

00:00:44   good [TS]

00:00:45   it's a little bit of a like a backhanded [TS]

00:00:47   slap it's just a light like like kid [TS]

00:00:49   gloves slap you doing leaving no [TS]

00:00:51   footprints [TS]

00:00:52   haha you I'm well we talked to a week [TS]

00:01:03   ago and you were in the throes of [TS]

00:01:05   illness [TS]

00:01:06   yep you know i'm i'm slow to recover i'm [TS]

00:01:09   slow to heal [TS]

00:01:10   he sounds so much better oh I feel I'm [TS]

00:01:12   so I'm a hundred percent better except [TS]

00:01:15   that i'm slow to heal so there's the [TS]

00:01:17   there's probably another week of like [TS]

00:01:19   just every once in awhile be like [TS]

00:01:23   laughing at something and a big ball of [TS]

00:01:27   flame will come flying out let you [TS]

00:01:29   laughs great [TS]

00:01:31   yeah that's right back back in the cave [TS]

00:01:34   another nine months without laughing [TS]

00:01:36   the thing about having a child of course [TS]

00:01:38   is that you laughs more because children [TS]

00:01:41   are ridiculous yeah so I'm laughing all [TS]

00:01:44   the time now [TS]

00:01:45   laughing child laughing are constantly [TS]

00:01:48   know she's a she's a total clown [TS]

00:01:52   yeah but you know we laugh together at [TS]

00:01:57   what a clown her mother is this you know [TS]

00:02:00   that can imagine they they pay you back [TS]

00:02:06   in kind though they do you know I'm [TS]

00:02:08   surrounded by women I always them and [TS]

00:02:10   now i'm especially surrounded by women [TS]

00:02:12   there there are no I mean Colonel [TS]

00:02:14   surviving men in my family my mom my [TS]

00:02:16   uncle jack is eighty seven maybe eight [TS]

00:02:18   lives in Alaska my uncle Junius [TS]

00:02:21   lives here in Seattle but i don't see it [TS]

00:02:23   very often a great name [TS]

00:02:26   junius yeah Junior's rochester oh come [TS]

00:02:29   on really [TS]

00:02:30   junius rochester his father Alfred [TS]

00:02:33   rochester and his mother Marguerite [TS]

00:02:36   rochester names used to be so much [TS]

00:02:38   better [TS]

00:02:39   junius and genius was named after my [TS]

00:02:42   great uncle Julius who was named f2 his [TS]

00:02:47   great-uncle genius sounds Roman geniuses [TS]

00:02:51   brother george alfred Caldwell rochester [TS]

00:02:54   founded the seattle public library but [TS]

00:02:58   his great-uncle genius was one of the he [TS]

00:03:03   was the dead i have intelligence started [TS]

00:03:05   my great-great-uncle genius who was [TS]

00:03:07   responsible for the founding of the [TS]

00:03:09   Washington State Bar Association because [TS]

00:03:12   the lawyers in seattle agreed that they [TS]

00:03:15   needed some kind of association that [TS]

00:03:18   could censure my bike rack great-uncle [TS]

00:03:21   they were like they were like we need to [TS]

00:03:24   Center this man and we don't even have [TS]

00:03:26   an organization powerful enough to do it [TS]

00:03:28   so they founded a bar association just [TS]

00:03:30   to give him just to dis Tek dis bar him [TS]

00:03:34   from their bar easy like you'd have to [TS]

00:03:37   do a lot of stuff pretty bad over and [TS]

00:03:41   over fresh its complex to create an [TS]

00:03:43   organization to smite you would fit a [TS]

00:03:46   lot of work but what is the feather in [TS]

00:03:49   his cap the thing that they really were [TS]

00:03:51   were really open arms about was that he [TS]

00:03:55   basically instigated that the [TS]

00:03:58   anti-chinese riots on the waterfront [TS]

00:04:01   here in Seattle and forced the and you [TS]

00:04:05   know he and a mob an angry literally a [TS]

00:04:09   torch carrying mob like march to the the [TS]

00:04:14   Chinese residents of Chinatown down to [TS]

00:04:17   the docks and said you're either getting [TS]

00:04:20   on that boat to san francisco or you're [TS]

00:04:22   going in the water [TS]

00:04:23   well what what what area is what years [TS]

00:04:25   1890 you're kidding that's an amazing [TS]

00:04:31   yeah and then some of the most of the [TS]

00:04:33   Chinese got on the boat and went down to [TS]

00:04:34   San Francisco [TS]

00:04:35   would their descendants are still [TS]

00:04:37   probably living peacefully there [TS]

00:04:39   yeah that was at a time when the Chinese [TS]

00:04:41   were the big scare and my [TS]

00:04:44   great-great-uncle immigrant from [TS]

00:04:47   Kentucky and that if not veteran of the [TS]

00:04:52   Civil War than his brother fought in the [TS]

00:04:54   Civil War and came up here and and [TS]

00:04:57   decided to to you know bring a little [TS]

00:05:00   touch of southern xenophobia to the [TS]

00:05:02   northwest headline just keeps moving [TS]

00:05:04   north that's good form of of these [TS]

00:05:08   chinese people cannot live here anymore [TS]

00:05:09   these chinese people who helped us build [TS]

00:05:11   the railroad you know who basically [TS]

00:05:13   built the railroad and improved the West [TS]

00:05:16   in innumerable ways now have to go do [TS]

00:05:20   you uh do you know what happened it says [TS]

00:05:23   did this is a so they formed the Bar [TS]

00:05:25   Association what's that [TS]

00:05:27   so they think they picked the name yeah [TS]

00:05:28   I had they had they had their the salad [TS]

00:05:30   course that's right that's right now our [TS]

00:05:33   business [TS]

00:05:34   junius rochester gentlemen let's go [TS]

00:05:37   ahead and move on to the cutiest she's [TS]

00:05:39   not so moved [TS]

00:05:41   well you know this was the northwest and [TS]

00:05:45   it was a small them small town and I [TS]

00:05:47   think they censored him and then he went [TS]

00:05:49   on to be a he went on to pretty sure [TS]

00:05:54   have a some sort of dubious hand in the [TS]

00:05:57   founding of Columbia City a southern [TS]

00:06:00   suburb of of Seattle AP you know he [TS]

00:06:03   became a real estate speculator and [TS]

00:06:07   founded columbia city and then I don't [TS]

00:06:10   know he's probably hit by a streetcar or [TS]

00:06:13   somebody Chinese tweak some other [TS]

00:06:15   inglorious Northwest way of you know he [TS]

00:06:18   was eaten by a salmon [TS]

00:06:20   he didn't he didn't survive to he did [TS]

00:06:25   not survive to the era where I have a [TS]

00:06:29   tremendous volume of information about [TS]

00:06:31   him and this partly this is that my [TS]

00:06:33   uncle genius and uncle genius is really [TS]

00:06:36   a second cousin once removed but he is [TS]

00:06:41   let me see if I can describe this Junius [TS]

00:06:43   was 10 when my dad was 21 and so juniors [TS]

00:06:48   is not quite my dad's generation but he [TS]

00:06:51   certainly is he is 80 now and that was [TS]

00:06:56   his grandfather do you know Junius his [TS]

00:07:00   geniuses grandfather and my grandfather [TS]

00:07:04   were the same man [TS]

00:07:06   okay george alfred no no I'm sorry wait [TS]

00:07:09   a minute juniors his grandfather and my [TS]

00:07:12   great-grandfather were the same man [TS]

00:07:14   george alfred Caldwell rochester and so [TS]

00:07:19   it was genius is great on all or great [TS]

00:07:22   great on pole i think and maybe my god i [TS]

00:07:25   can't keep it all straight but did that [TS]

00:07:27   thing about geniuses that he is a [TS]

00:07:28   historian and has and is a generation [TS]

00:07:33   older than me so he stood between me and [TS]

00:07:36   all the good stuff right so Mike my [TS]

00:07:40   grandfather's no way my [TS]

00:07:42   great-grandfather's desk sits in junior [TS]

00:07:45   sizes living room and every time I come [TS]

00:07:48   over [TS]

00:07:49   jenya says John did you notice your [TS]

00:07:55   great-grandfather's desk there and I [TS]

00:07:58   have to grind my teeth he should he [TS]

00:08:03   should put little post-its there for my [TS]

00:08:06   beloved john morgan Roderick so you [TS]

00:08:09   think when the estate sale or the estate [TS]

00:08:11   is settled you know ya get a leg up what [TS]

00:08:14   we do the desk you think the thing is no [TS]

00:08:16   one else in the entire family could tell [TS]

00:08:19   you when the 20th century was right like [TS]

00:08:24   geniuses kids my brother is very active [TS]

00:08:27   on social media [TS]

00:08:28   she is she is but if you said 20 century [TS]

00:08:30   go she'll be like uh-huh all dr. you [TS]

00:08:36   know it might have my older brothers and [TS]

00:08:37   sisters none of them care right i mean [TS]

00:08:39   the the desk would end up in the ocean [TS]

00:08:41   except there is except there is that one [TS]

00:08:44   little thread running through my family [TS]

00:08:46   as through all families which is the [TS]

00:08:48   thread of women [TS]

00:08:50   on once it oh well i don't know i think [TS]

00:08:54   that your graduation furniture grudges [TS]

00:08:56   are pretty common or you know what i [TS]

00:08:57   mean when there's a piece of old [TS]

00:08:58   something going around that becomes like [TS]

00:09:01   it's it's the way like when angry people [TS]

00:09:03   get divorced [TS]

00:09:04   you know they make the kid yeah yeah the [TS]

00:09:06   battlefield I think things like things [TS]

00:09:08   that used to belong to dead people get [TS]

00:09:10   your soon-to-be dead people become very [TS]

00:09:11   hot items [TS]

00:09:12   well and this is the thing i have [TS]

00:09:14   reconciled myself to this the desk the [TS]

00:09:18   end tables the the baby spoons the you [TS]

00:09:23   know whatever the fuck he the center [TS]

00:09:25   from the Washington State Bar [TS]

00:09:26   Association like whoever wants that [TS]

00:09:29   stuff if it's that important to them [TS]

00:09:31   they can have it but I know that my [TS]

00:09:34   uncle genius has boxes of papers all the [TS]

00:09:39   letters all he knows where all the [TS]

00:09:41   bodies are buried and geniuses that is [TS]

00:09:44   that generation prior to me where it is [TS]

00:09:48   he is still embarrassed by the crimes of [TS]

00:09:53   our family of the generations of our [TS]

00:09:55   family prior right [TS]

00:09:57   junius would never ever ever publicly [TS]

00:10:01   admit that that the Rochester's were [TS]

00:10:04   behind the anti-chinese rides nor [TS]

00:10:06   norwood jr known normal Junius cop to [TS]

00:10:09   any of the other you know their their [TS]

00:10:12   myriad crimes against humanity that the [TS]

00:10:15   you know and so he genius is very proud [TS]

00:10:18   to hold up a photostat of the of the [TS]

00:10:23   official pardon that President Grant [TS]

00:10:25   granted his great-great-grandfather ab [TS]

00:10:32   Alfred but see I don't even know his [TS]

00:10:36   name [TS]

00:10:37   this is the problem anything like that [TS]

00:10:38   archive John I know and the thing is [TS]

00:10:40   there's an oil painting of this man in [TS]

00:10:42   his Confederate you know Colonel's [TS]

00:10:46   outfit or Brigadier you know dress blues [TS]

00:10:49   there's an oil painting of the man and I [TS]

00:10:52   don't know anything about him and when [TS]

00:10:54   that when i asked genius [TS]

00:10:55   it's like [TS]

00:10:57   he knows i want to know Andy his desire [TS]

00:11:01   to tell me is trumped only by his desire [TS]

00:11:05   to have me want to know and not know [TS]

00:11:08   that's all he has left its really it's [TS]

00:11:11   very probably guys we got the price of [TS]

00:11:13   the price is right and soup and [TS]

00:11:15   withholding from you it's very deep [TS]

00:11:17   it's very deep located at one point my [TS]

00:11:20   my aunt Julie Julie that's 222 names but [TS]

00:11:26   one name right that they used to do that [TS]

00:11:28   in names [TS]

00:11:29   yeah Julie decided that she needed to [TS]

00:11:32   that she wanted to be a member of the [TS]

00:11:35   Daughters of the American Revolution and [TS]

00:11:38   she she traced our family and she this [TS]

00:11:41   is you know of course before the [TS]

00:11:43   internet what we had to send letters to [TS]

00:11:45   like the postmasters and say would you [TS]

00:11:51   dear dear postmaster of of you know of a [TS]

00:11:55   wide-leg Ohio will you send your [TS]

00:11:58   daughter out to the cemeteries and make [TS]

00:12:00   rubbings of all the stones that you know [TS]

00:12:04   like you to research your family before [TS]

00:12:06   the Mormons on the internet was very [TS]

00:12:09   difficult but she figured out that my [TS]

00:12:13   great-great-great-great [TS]

00:12:15   great-great-great grandfather was john [TS]

00:12:20   page colonial governor of virginia and [TS]

00:12:23   childhood friend of Thomas Jefferson and [TS]

00:12:28   so decisions like a lock [TS]

00:12:30   oh it's dead-on and everybody everybody [TS]

00:12:32   was granted [TS]

00:12:34   yeah yeah she's a daughter the [TS]

00:12:35   pre-revolution oh yeah i mean if i [TS]

00:12:37   wanted to fill out the paperwork i would [TS]

00:12:39   be a son of the american revolution by [TS]

00:12:41   already feel like a son of the American [TS]

00:12:42   Revolution as we all do at the only free [TS]

00:12:46   conservative that group [TS]

00:12:47   mmm definitely the sons of the [TS]

00:12:49   Confederacy which I also more than [TS]

00:12:51   qualified for our have taken a turn for [TS]

00:12:54   the worse recently also know the DAR but [TS]

00:12:57   I don't know anything about the sack in [TS]

00:12:59   the dark but not the sack the sack has [TS]

00:13:01   become an organization that is that is [TS]

00:13:03   towing the the stars and bars are are [TS]

00:13:07   part of our heritage line of reasoning [TS]

00:13:10   and so we need to keep the need to keep [TS]

00:13:12   the Confederate flag in the in the South [TS]

00:13:15   Carolina state flag or will have war we [TS]

00:13:18   will have lost our our whole entire that [TS]

00:13:21   we've lost the war [TS]

00:13:22   yeah we've lost our identity as as as [TS]

00:13:25   people who held other humans and bonded [TS]

00:13:27   but i think the DAR is conservative in [TS]

00:13:30   the sense that they want to keep blacks [TS]

00:13:33   and chinese and gays and Jews and Irish [TS]

00:13:35   out [TS]

00:13:36   that's right in your wheel upset but I [TS]

00:13:38   can make in you know that's not what we [TS]

00:13:40   used to call that conservative now it's [TS]

00:13:42   really cheap conservatism has really [TS]

00:13:44   changed a lot it seems pretty [TS]

00:13:45   conservative now by modern standards but [TS]

00:13:48   um so open any in any case so actually [TS]

00:13:53   named her eldest daughter Paige not PA [TS]

00:13:57   ige but page2 H as in like at way to add [TS]

00:14:04   is a really cool name for a girl [TS]

00:14:06   yeah to echo through ten generations [TS]

00:14:08   back to John page our colonial for [TS]

00:14:12   father and it's that kind of old-school [TS]

00:14:14   like let's not talk about the eight [TS]

00:14:19   generations of slaveholders and Indian [TS]

00:14:21   killers in between [TS]

00:14:22   let's talk about John RR thomas [TS]

00:14:26   jefferson's buddy our our Scion John [TS]

00:14:30   page and it's like my own [TS]

00:14:31   yeah I'd really rather talk you know my [TS]

00:14:33   mom's now who was it one of the one of [TS]

00:14:37   one of my mom's intelligence road with [TS]

00:14:39   Custer [TS]

00:14:41   so I got it I got it all everything [TS]

00:14:43   anybody in the states that were [TS]

00:14:45   oppressed was at one time or another [TS]

00:14:47   impressed by me personally I Oh [TS]

00:14:50   reparation direction and think about I [TS]

00:14:53   don't know how you are with this stuff [TS]

00:14:54   but i finally got the patterns over the [TS]

00:14:56   five almost six years my daughter's been [TS]

00:14:58   around if i were to be really honest [TS]

00:15:00   with myself stuff that I remember but [TS]

00:15:02   especially the stuff i capture I capture [TS]

00:15:04   and inhale these successes like oh my [TS]

00:15:08   gosh look she's walking around she's [TS]

00:15:09   pushing a wagon she's doing this and I I [TS]

00:15:12   I laughs along at the times that things [TS]

00:15:14   were silly and and one of us was a clown [TS]

00:15:16   but the times that people were merely [TS]

00:15:18   disappointing don't i don't know if you [TS]

00:15:22   could say is true history but it just [TS]

00:15:23   seems like the times are the times that [TS]

00:15:25   we are flatly evil which we tend to kind [TS]

00:15:27   of a gloss over but you know but the [TS]

00:15:30   stuff we put in the scrapbook and the [TS]

00:15:32   stuff that goes into Junius geniuses [TS]

00:15:34   boxes [TS]

00:15:35   well you know it but there's probably a [TS]

00:15:38   lot of stuff in there where there's just [TS]

00:15:39   like this is just one of the half of [TS]

00:15:41   this is disappointment stuff and that's [TS]

00:15:42   really enough for me to say im just [TS]

00:15:43   gonna keep it sealed [TS]

00:15:45   yeah well everyone's kinda how I like a [TS]

00:15:47   family history works i think it is and [TS]

00:15:49   and maybe I am different in that I [TS]

00:15:52   celebrate the broken you know I [TS]

00:15:55   celebrate the aseptic walt whitman [TS]

00:15:58   celebrate [TS]

00:16:00   I celebrate the unknown hair of graves I [TS]

00:16:02   celebrate the UH the I mean really [TS]

00:16:07   there's no family that you don't have [TS]

00:16:11   that you can look behind three or more [TS]

00:16:13   curtains and not find some terrible news [TS]

00:16:16   because human beings are are awful [TS]

00:16:20   you know just consistently awful and so [TS]

00:16:24   I and I really do feel like that kind of [TS]

00:16:26   revisionism does a disservice over [TS]

00:16:29   generations and over time you know we [TS]

00:16:31   only use a really skewed idea that will [TS]

00:16:35   wear the first messed up generation [TS]

00:16:36   yeah and it happen it's been happening [TS]

00:16:37   for centuries and centuries and [TS]

00:16:40   centuries because nobody because nobody [TS]

00:16:42   reports [TS]

00:16:43   well your uncle al was a rapist and it [TS]

00:16:49   because it you know because it reflects [TS]

00:16:50   on you you feel like it reflects on you [TS]

00:16:52   and I think that's what's going on with [TS]

00:16:54   genius-like [TS]

00:16:54   he does not want to and partly it is [TS]

00:16:57   that that I think now that we're the [TS]

00:17:00   first generation where social standing [TS]

00:17:03   is not determined as much or at all by [TS]

00:17:10   family and blood right [TS]

00:17:13   we live in a world where social standing [TS]

00:17:15   is entirely determined by buying money [TS]

00:17:19   new money and buy your you know and by [TS]

00:17:23   like your 15 minutes of fame [TS]

00:17:26   Cracraft fame but my uncle juniors and [TS]

00:17:31   my father and and and even me I mean I [TS]

00:17:34   was raised still in the last vestiges of [TS]

00:17:38   feeling like your family name was where [TS]

00:17:44   your what was the the locus of your [TS]

00:17:47   honor and that's almost completely gone [TS]

00:17:50   it in America or in the West maybe back [TS]

00:17:53   east people still ask like so what's [TS]

00:17:56   your father do where your father go to [TS]

00:17:57   school [TS]

00:17:58   well I think it's it feels like it's [TS]

00:18:00   something where people at the middle [TS]

00:18:02   levels of of status are certainly not [TS]

00:18:04   scrambling to look at right but whereas [TS]

00:18:07   in the fifties or sixties even you might [TS]

00:18:09   really be scrambling to show how you are [TS]

00:18:11   descended from a virginia governor sure [TS]

00:18:14   and I think people today if you go to [TS]

00:18:16   your favorite Yale I think you probably [TS]

00:18:17   still gonna do what I mean the upper [TS]

00:18:19   classes a picture of people with money [TS]

00:18:20   people who have that lineage sure if [TS]

00:18:22   you've got the family tree and all that [TS]

00:18:23   Providence and you can show it when I [TS]

00:18:25   wanted but there's so many and even the [TS]

00:18:28   last I don't be productive in the last [TS]

00:18:29   40 years the number of blended families [TS]

00:18:31   the number of people like just think [TS]

00:18:34   about christmas day is like for so many [TS]

00:18:35   people who have like five and a half [TS]

00:18:37   parents know it's like Hanukkah [TS]

00:18:41   but I mean yeah if your last name is [TS]

00:18:43   bush and you are the 42nd president the [TS]

00:18:46   united states 43rd whatever you don't [TS]

00:18:50   have to be a member of the daughters of [TS]

00:18:51   the american revolution because the [TS]

00:18:53   Encyclopedia Britannica has your family [TS]

00:18:56   line it or if you're jonathan coulton or [TS]

00:18:59   somebody like that who clearly came over [TS]

00:19:01   on the Mayflower the whole idea of the [TS]

00:19:04   daughters of the american revolution is [TS]

00:19:05   for people who live out in San Francisco [TS]

00:19:07   to scramble over one another's you know [TS]

00:19:11   carcasses on the way to some cocktail [TS]

00:19:16   party up on Nob Hill I I guess I almost [TS]

00:19:19   wonder if a little bit tom wolfe here [TS]

00:19:22   but I mean I I'm almost thinking like I [TS]

00:19:24   wonder if it's some point maybe around [TS]

00:19:25   the sixties and definitely seventies it [TS]

00:19:27   started to be a little bit of a burden [TS]

00:19:29   to be part of not a burden but if you [TS]

00:19:31   know what I mean it used to be that you [TS]

00:19:32   could say like what if you're a [TS]

00:19:33   Rockefeller or whatever but like the [TS]

00:19:35   thing is if you followed that sort of [TS]

00:19:38   lineal name-dropping like two things are [TS]

00:19:41   going to happen first of all it's gonna [TS]

00:19:42   be obvious what a loser you are that [TS]

00:19:44   you're you know Bing Crosby the third or [TS]

00:19:46   whatever which is like oh you're not as [TS]

00:19:49   famous as the other one [TS]

00:19:50   ok so what do you do you work at the DMV [TS]

00:19:52   but you know there's the other one which [TS]

00:19:54   is like nobody-nobody in America there's [TS]

00:19:57   a great phrase you know you get a phrase [TS]

00:19:59   born with a silver spoon in his mouth [TS]

00:20:00   but i think i first heard this about a [TS]

00:20:03   george w bush maybe earlier that he he [TS]

00:20:06   was born on third and thinks he hit a [TS]

00:20:08   triple right and I i'll use the second [TS]

00:20:12   half of that phrase sometimes you know [TS]

00:20:13   for people who think somebody else got [TS]

00:20:15   something easy i think people don't want [TS]

00:20:16   that i think especially in a post 1960s [TS]

00:20:18   America anyway people don't want to look [TS]

00:20:20   like they got where they were because of [TS]

00:20:22   their last name they wanted to be merit [TS]

00:20:24   or they wanted to be values or brand in [TS]

00:20:27   somebody's mighty that word again but [TS]

00:20:29   you know I think today people really [TS]

00:20:30   want to feel like they made their own [TS]

00:20:31   way or look at somebody like there's a [TS]

00:20:33   wonderful comic that you would love [TS]

00:20:35   called Lucky written by a guy named Joe [TS]

00:20:37   Hill who achieve his a claim with [TS]

00:20:40   locking key by greatly covering up the [TS]

00:20:42   fact that he was stephen king's son huh [TS]

00:20:45   because he knew if you go out there and [TS]

00:20:47   something happened what's your name that [TS]

00:20:48   ass and lady like you know if you go out [TS]

00:20:50   there and let everybody know that you're [TS]

00:20:52   whatever ravi shankar's daughter [TS]

00:20:54   that's gonna happen it's going to cost [TS]

00:20:55   strong reactions to people that [TS]

00:20:57   regardless of which way they look at it [TS]

00:20:59   are not going to be that beneficial for [TS]

00:21:00   you in the long run I guess that makes [TS]

00:21:02   sense [TS]

00:21:02   yeah absolutely can you kind of like a [TS]

00:21:04   tool to walk around going like well you [TS]

00:21:06   know well of course you should give me [TS]

00:21:07   my big mac at a discount I'm descended [TS]

00:21:10   from you know Chinese haters or whatever [TS]

00:21:12   but there's something else has has [TS]

00:21:15   changed him and I think you're right [TS]

00:21:16   that part of it is that is the is the [TS]

00:21:18   candy flake Tom Wolfe overturning of the [TS]

00:21:23   not just overturning but like the the [TS]

00:21:25   change where we felt like those families [TS]

00:21:28   were actually not just not just that the [TS]

00:21:32   the later descendants are a weaker [TS]

00:21:34   strain of the blood but that though that [TS]

00:21:36   that their control of the resources and [TS]

00:21:40   the culture has as imperiled us or that [TS]

00:21:44   they you know it's the rise of the [TS]

00:21:46   conspiracy that those families are [TS]

00:21:48   actually dangerous and not not to [TS]

00:21:52   nothing to aspire to but something to [TS]

00:21:55   eradicate but also I think as late as [TS]

00:21:59   the seventies you know the richest [TS]

00:22:03   people on Wall Street a a pretty rich [TS]

00:22:07   investment banker made five times what a [TS]

00:22:13   normal lawyer would make like that index [TS]

00:22:17   of what the CEO makes a multiple of the [TS]

00:22:19   lowest pay personal hell yea right so so [TS]

00:22:22   you know like a really high powered [TS]

00:22:24   Seattle lawyer would make fifty thousand [TS]

00:22:26   dollars a year in 1965 and maybe like a [TS]

00:22:30   the head of a wall street bank would [TS]

00:22:33   make 250 thousand dollars a year and [TS]

00:22:36   that was just like you know back when [TS]

00:22:38   when being a millionaire was was still [TS]

00:22:42   really something and and now we live in [TS]

00:22:45   this world where there are 27 year olds [TS]

00:22:47   that are making seven hundred thousand [TS]

00:22:49   dollars a year as investment bankers [TS]

00:22:52   and there isn't the premium put on not [TS]

00:22:57   just old money but but that the the [TS]

00:23:02   bulwark that old money old families used [TS]

00:23:04   to represent you know they were the they [TS]

00:23:08   were the our cultural heritage or they [TS]

00:23:10   kept you know that the membership in the [TS]

00:23:13   yacht club was the highest thing you [TS]

00:23:16   could aspire to and now it's like you're [TS]

00:23:19   you know you're Connecticut yacht club [TS]

00:23:21   your your dusty old Connecticut yacht [TS]

00:23:25   club like these these these guys have [TS]

00:23:27   got private jets and they're living in [TS]

00:23:29   Moscow or whatever so there's just no [TS]

00:23:33   who cares right i mean i'm probably [TS]

00:23:37   there are 25 year-olds listening to this [TS]

00:23:39   program right now that are just like not [TS]

00:23:41   even getting the idea that [TS]

00:23:45   social standing was once largely a [TS]

00:23:49   component of who your parents were and [TS]

00:23:52   not at all and you know it was not that [TS]

00:23:54   you went to Harvard and that's why [TS]

00:23:56   people respected you and you got a good [TS]

00:23:59   job [TS]

00:24:00   it was that your father was so-and-so [TS]

00:24:03   and that's why you went to Harvard and [TS]

00:24:05   people respected you and kinda job you [TS]

00:24:07   know [TS]

00:24:08   now we now we have eliminated the the [TS]

00:24:10   first step we still have the we still [TS]

00:24:13   think that going to Harvard is like a [TS]

00:24:16   big deal but that seems like the [TS]

00:24:17   beginning I don't know it's a partly [TS]

00:24:21   because that is not the same virtual [TS]

00:24:23   guarantee of I mean obviously you're a [TS]

00:24:26   pretty good start but it's certainly not [TS]

00:24:28   the same I've told this story half a [TS]

00:24:30   dozen times my friend grants dad had [TS]

00:24:32   told you this when he graduated from [TS]

00:24:34   college in 1964-65 he the story goes [TS]

00:24:40   that I think you for similar stories he [TS]

00:24:42   walked into a Ford dealership and drove [TS]

00:24:44   off the lot with a Mustang because he [TS]

00:24:46   had a diploma [TS]

00:24:47   that's a mean I efforts you know there [TS]

00:24:49   are many similar stories to that and [TS]

00:24:51   then the corollary to that which are [TS]

00:24:52   they if you don't have this then we're [TS]

00:24:54   gonna look a little harder to all these [TS]

00:24:55   different things but you know I think I [TS]

00:24:57   guess that still opens a lot of doors [TS]

00:24:59   but um jammer look to say meritocracy i [TS]

00:25:02   think also just been a real upset if I [TS]

00:25:05   can use that his word is the mineral [TS]

00:25:07   upset in in the whole way we think about [TS]

00:25:09   status and and even even in the time [TS]

00:25:11   before social media but especially [TS]

00:25:12   especially since things like social [TS]

00:25:14   media or you look at stuff like you know [TS]

00:25:16   when I go to my hot dog place and and [TS]

00:25:20   it's everyday it's a it's like Maury [TS]

00:25:22   Povich is on at the hot dog place yeah [TS]

00:25:24   my daughter just she's completely [TS]

00:25:27   hypnotized by it and it will still [TS]

00:25:28   throwing chairs at each other on chosen [TS]

00:25:30   yes and pretty much every episode [TS]

00:25:31   episode is about paternity and it's [TS]

00:25:34   about whether or not this is this is [TS]

00:25:35   someone's baby right daddy or whatever [TS]

00:25:39   and then there's this chair throwing and [TS]

00:25:41   it's mostly it's a lot of very very [TS]

00:25:42   heavy ethnic minorities clowning around [TS]

00:25:45   for what probably 700 bucks but you get [TS]

00:25:48   to be on TV gets beetles are dulce [TS]

00:25:50   juggalos I don't know you hear things [TS]

00:25:53   about these like databases where you can [TS]

00:25:54   like register I've heard this for 20 [TS]

00:25:56   years that you can register [TS]

00:25:57   these databases to appear on things like [TS]

00:25:59   those shows and you go in and talk about [TS]

00:26:01   what your special liabilities are or [TS]

00:26:02   what your what your beef is and then the [TS]

00:26:05   producers going kind of shop those but [TS]

00:26:06   that all has been so upturn you know to [TS]

00:26:10   wear today I think about now Leonard [TS]

00:26:12   Bernstein's might look at the Black [TS]

00:26:13   Panthers to go back to Tom Wolfe right [TS]

00:26:16   in the sixties whereas today I mean you [TS]

00:26:18   were talking about how you like you you [TS]

00:26:20   know you people who are making tax and [TS]

00:26:21   techno mix you know we want you might [TS]

00:26:23   really admire somebody who makes this [TS]

00:26:25   application that you like a lot even [TS]

00:26:28   though you don't need not know how much [TS]

00:26:29   they make me a care but they're used to [TS]

00:26:32   for lack of a better word their [TS]

00:26:33   influence is very interesting that the [TS]

00:26:36   fact that there is somebody who's 25 [TS]

00:26:37   have a friend is 25 and he's on his [TS]

00:26:39   second companies getting buyout offers [TS]

00:26:41   on his second company at 25 and he's not [TS]

00:26:43   a douche he's just extremely good [TS]

00:26:46   manager and he's really smart and he's [TS]

00:26:48   good with people and I not right like [TS]

00:26:51   something like that i'm very attracted [TS]

00:26:52   to somebody like that the property [TS]

00:26:54   eventually he has pretty good money now [TS]

00:26:55   and I'm sure he'll have more later but [TS]

00:26:57   it doesn't matter what his last name is [TS]

00:26:58   right now it could be a made-up name it [TS]

00:27:00   doesn't matter like where he went to [TS]

00:27:01   college where there is that the merit of [TS]

00:27:03   that is very appealing to people and I [TS]

00:27:06   think that's I think that's pretty [TS]

00:27:07   different whereas in like maybe the [TS]

00:27:09   forties or fifties you might look at [TS]

00:27:10   something like that gone well this this [TS]

00:27:13   this could be you know like you know one [TS]

00:27:15   little rose among the dandelions you got [TS]

00:27:17   an eye on this guy in the forties and [TS]

00:27:19   fifties the the primary difference is [TS]

00:27:23   that that guy at 25 years old might have [TS]

00:27:25   been on his second company but he would [TS]

00:27:28   not have been a multi-millionaire [TS]

00:27:30   because there just wasn't that kind of [TS]

00:27:32   capitalization right of things right so [TS]

00:27:35   he would have he would be a wealthy man [TS]

00:27:38   but he would still be sort of living in [TS]

00:27:43   an apartment in New York City and the [TS]

00:27:47   real achievement you know that maybe he [TS]

00:27:51   would be maybe they were right about him [TS]

00:27:52   in the wall street journal but the real [TS]

00:27:53   achievement would be that he would be [TS]

00:27:55   invited to join [TS]

00:27:56   a certain men's club and that the people [TS]

00:28:00   standing at the gates of that would you [TS]

00:28:04   know would either that who his father [TS]

00:28:06   was or in the case that he was you know [TS]

00:28:09   and i think it was incredible success [TS]

00:28:11   they would bend their own rules in order [TS]

00:28:16   to you know like well I know that you're [TS]

00:28:18   you know because because he had [TS]

00:28:20   something that there's something about [TS]

00:28:21   his status he brought something to that [TS]

00:28:22   place those places don't let you know [TS]

00:28:24   we've talked about this with money [TS]

00:28:25   before they can even give you money [TS]

00:28:27   because they like you they give you [TS]

00:28:28   money because they think they can make [TS]

00:28:30   more money than they're giving you and [TS]

00:28:32   instances like that if it's about status [TS]

00:28:34   and clasp it isn't that they're trying [TS]

00:28:35   to reward you for having arrived they [TS]

00:28:37   only want you there if you make them [TS]

00:28:39   look better right now but at the time [TS]

00:28:41   there just wasn't the money that there [TS]

00:28:44   is now and i mean this is this is that [TS]

00:28:46   it's it's so profound because in a way [TS]

00:28:49   this this super moneyed class and the [TS]

00:28:51   super money of San Francisco and and [TS]

00:28:54   downtown New York and such a certain [TS]

00:28:57   extent Seattle like it is a it's it [TS]

00:29:01   there quantities of money that transcend [TS]

00:29:03   every other metric for the every other [TS]

00:29:08   metric that human beings used to [TS]

00:29:10   separate one another like if you walk [TS]

00:29:12   into that class of ultra-rich there [TS]

00:29:17   it does not matter if you did nothing [TS]

00:29:22   about you matters except that right [TS]

00:29:26   you could if you become super rich and [TS]

00:29:29   decide to change your gender & it and [TS]

00:29:32   somebody reveals that your your mother [TS]

00:29:36   was Jewish and your father was pakistani [TS]

00:29:38   and his father killed gandhi [TS]

00:29:43   at all would be forgiven there would be [TS]

00:29:46   no that we would not look at you in the [TS]

00:29:48   slightest way differently because our [TS]

00:29:51   only way of looking at you is that you [TS]

00:29:53   are worth 1 billion dollars like that's [TS]

00:29:55   a it's a new it is a new that the the to [TS]

00:30:00   be that rich that is to be so rich that [TS]

00:30:04   transcends race which is which has been [TS]

00:30:08   the primary like human problem right for [TS]

00:30:12   our whole history to be so rich that [TS]

00:30:14   people don't even see your race anymore [TS]

00:30:17   is a it's a new it's a new step and [TS]

00:30:22   there's no Club in America I don't think [TS]

00:30:24   that would keep a billionaire out [TS]

00:30:27   because he was a Jew and that is that [TS]

00:30:31   was not true even 20 years ago there you [TS]

00:30:35   know anti-semitism was more powerful [TS]

00:30:39   than money up to just like 10 years ago [TS]

00:30:45   really but i don't think that exists [TS]

00:30:47   anymore I mean maybe somewhere in Europe [TS]

00:30:49   maybe somewhere in Switzerland down a [TS]

00:30:51   mineshaft there is a group of guys [TS]

00:30:53   sitting around the table where they [TS]

00:30:55   still won't let soros be a member of the [TS]

00:30:59   of the group and I but but i doubt it [TS]

00:31:02   you know it's a crazy it's a it's a [TS]

00:31:06   crazy thing I've been playing a game [TS]

00:31:07   with my friends lately which is the what [TS]

00:31:10   if you what if you and I know you don't [TS]

00:31:13   probably play the lottery and I don't [TS]

00:31:15   either but if you did let's say you [TS]

00:31:16   walked into a 7-eleven and you're like I [TS]

00:31:19   give me a pack of sweet tarts and and to [TS]

00:31:24   sexually with two hot dogs with pump [TS]

00:31:26   chili and you know what give me a mega [TS]

00:31:28   millions ticket and you just bought it [TS]

00:31:31   on a whim and let's say two days later [TS]

00:31:33   you it was revealed that you had 180 [TS]

00:31:36   million dollars and so you assume that [TS]

00:31:40   70 million of that goes immediately to [TS]

00:31:42   taxes so now you have a hundred and ten [TS]

00:31:44   million dollars [TS]

00:31:46   what do you do and this game is this [TS]

00:31:50   game really makes people squirm [TS]

00:31:52   because their initial answers like well [TS]

00:31:56   you know I think I probably travel and I [TS]

00:31:58   quit my job and you know I think I'd [TS]

00:32:00   trying and trying to keep my head on my [TS]

00:32:02   shoulders it's like no fuck you don't [TS]

00:32:05   you know we're not living in a land of [TS]

00:32:08   like problem now what exactly would you [TS]

00:32:12   do first [TS]

00:32:14   like what would you do first are you [TS]

00:32:16   going to go home tonight and sleep in [TS]

00:32:19   your own bed tonight hundred and ten [TS]

00:32:22   million dollars you have now [TS]

00:32:24   like what's the first thing you do and [TS]

00:32:27   what's the second thing you do and do [TS]

00:32:28   you have a lawyer who's your lawyer now [TS]

00:32:30   I I thats it's a great game because it's [TS]

00:32:33   so much more complicated anybody thinks [TS]

00:32:35   first thing is I would be scared [TS]

00:32:36   shitless [TS]

00:32:37   yes and I would feel exposed oh yeah [TS]

00:32:40   there's a big part of the lottery is [TS]

00:32:41   telling you who won what that just makes [TS]

00:32:44   you a big target so where do you go you [TS]

00:32:46   go to a hotel right first night you [TS]

00:32:48   don't go home [TS]

00:32:49   yeah I I mean like just this this is not [TS]

00:32:52   the answer you want but like it's the [TS]

00:32:54   it's aligned with the answer I guess is [TS]

00:32:57   that i would first start by the king [TS]

00:32:58   oh my god I hope it's not hope it's at [TS]

00:33:01   least a month before completely screw [TS]

00:33:02   this up right now that I've gotten [TS]

00:33:05   chunks of money before and done stupid [TS]

00:33:07   stuff and it's you know I don't know I [TS]

00:33:11   mean I see the i'm with you that people [TS]

00:33:12   want to sit around a well I take care of [TS]

00:33:14   all the college education stuff and I [TS]

00:33:17   you know I took a year off to go dig [TS]

00:33:19   ditches and Ghana or whatever and I [TS]

00:33:22   don't think that's helped i mean i'm not [TS]

00:33:24   happy if you gamble much but i mean i [TS]

00:33:27   can make five hundred dollars a night [TS]

00:33:28   playing blackjack on the computer and [TS]

00:33:31   then in the casino i'm down 200 bucks an [TS]

00:33:33   hour and the difference is even if it's [TS]

00:33:35   a dollar even if it's a nickel if it's [TS]

00:33:37   real money it's different and anybody [TS]

00:33:39   who thinks that's otherwise is either [TS]

00:33:43   lying or has never had a little bit of [TS]

00:33:46   money right [TS]

00:33:47   it changes everything and it's there [TS]

00:33:48   studying God turns out there's reams and [TS]

00:33:51   reams of research about how people will [TS]

00:33:52   put this tight weird amount of value [TS]

00:33:54   into a tiny little thing just because [TS]

00:33:55   it's a game that they want to win or [TS]

00:33:57   just because there's all kinds of crazy [TS]

00:33:59   wiring in our heads especially as [TS]

00:34:01   Americans that like I think we are all [TS]

00:34:04   really hard wire to make a lot [TS]

00:34:06   shade decisions about having that kind [TS]

00:34:07   of money yes yes well that's like that's [TS]

00:34:10   exactly right like what do we value and [TS]

00:34:13   I look I look around you look around the [TS]

00:34:14   room you're sitting in right now and say [TS]

00:34:16   alright you have a hundred and ten [TS]

00:34:18   million dollars boom it just arrived [TS]

00:34:20   it's in your bank account [TS]

00:34:21   what do you keep of the stuff that's in [TS]

00:34:24   your room right now anything right [TS]

00:34:28   I mean what do you what do you if you if [TS]

00:34:31   you move to a nice place one of your [TS]

00:34:34   stuff do you bring what do you put what [TS]

00:34:37   do you have people put in boxes for you [TS]

00:34:38   and bring to your new house like your [TS]

00:34:40   college textbooks i think i think a [TS]

00:34:42   hundred million is interesting but I [TS]

00:34:43   think potentially two million is even [TS]

00:34:46   more interesting because a hundred [TS]

00:34:48   million like that's of course you know [TS]

00:34:50   people people think oh no I'm going to [TS]

00:34:51   be very wise now you're going to go buy [TS]

00:34:53   a bunch of stupid stuff like you know [TS]

00:34:54   what i mean the the thing is something [TS]

00:34:56   like 30 million is much more scary [TS]

00:34:58   because it would I mean you could blow [TS]

00:35:01   that on one house [TS]

00:35:02   yeah very easily you know I've said this [TS]

00:35:05   before on some other shows but like I [TS]

00:35:06   think part of it is like people who look [TS]

00:35:08   at other people in terms of status or [TS]

00:35:10   wealth and hmm they're gonna build a [TS]

00:35:13   it's like you know if you had that [TS]

00:35:15   hundred-million-dollar date just go go [TS]

00:35:17   look in history look in the last 150 [TS]

00:35:18   years these dumbass state lotteries and [TS]

00:35:20   go look at how many people today are [TS]

00:35:22   really happy after they won over a [TS]

00:35:24   hundred thousand dollars in the lottery [TS]

00:35:25   and the numbers are not good because [TS]

00:35:28   those people spent their entire not this [TS]

00:35:30   is reductive but by and large those are [TS]

00:35:32   people they play the lottery right to [TS]

00:35:34   play the lottery most of those people [TS]

00:35:36   had zero practice having money and it [TS]

00:35:39   was thinking you can run a marathon it's [TS]

00:35:40   like thinking that you can go out and [TS]

00:35:42   play a rock show even though you never [TS]

00:35:43   picked up a guitar any of that stuff [TS]

00:35:44   it's exactly the same thing except now [TS]

00:35:47   everybody knows you got a bunch of money [TS]

00:35:48   the two the two million dollar amount is [TS]

00:35:51   see that's a different game for me [TS]

00:35:54   because i know and you know we know [TS]

00:35:57   people who one day did have two million [TS]

00:36:01   dollars like that is not an abstract [TS]

00:36:04   amount of money anymore if if if we have [TS]

00:36:07   been playing this game 15 years ago [TS]

00:36:08   right 22 million dollars would have been [TS]

00:36:10   like whoa [TS]

00:36:11   what would i do that i like somebody I [TS]

00:36:14   met a foundation board meeting at my [TS]

00:36:16   college in 1990 right like one person [TS]

00:36:19   like a little lady or something that [TS]

00:36:21   like I was clutching her pearls around [TS]

00:36:23   her neck but several friends that that [TS]

00:36:25   sure more money than that and it's [TS]

00:36:26   seared so do I you mean and not just [TS]

00:36:29   people in rock and roll but like people [TS]

00:36:30   or people just been the in the world [TS]

00:36:32   that made a fuckin camera app you know [TS]

00:36:35   but particularly the particularly like [TS]

00:36:38   it's a fucking god damn camera app for a [TS]

00:36:43   stupid ass goddamn phone and now they're [TS]

00:36:47   sitting around with a solid gold thumb [TS]

00:36:49   up their ass weighs 150 million [TS]

00:36:52   different [TS]

00:36:53   well the two million is different [TS]

00:36:54   because i have thought about the [TS]

00:36:57   two-million-dollar thing at that is an [TS]

00:37:00   amount that it is not only plausible [TS]

00:37:02   that some of our friends have you know [TS]

00:37:06   had sort of like the check arrived but [TS]

00:37:09   Merlin it is completely plausible that [TS]

00:37:12   you will make 2 million dollars at one [TS]

00:37:14   juncture or that i will like that is an [TS]

00:37:17   amount of money that is it is possible [TS]

00:37:20   we will see so it's different from a [TS]

00:37:23   hundred million because i already have [TS]

00:37:24   seen what two million dollars does to [TS]

00:37:26   somebody [TS]

00:37:27   yeah and I life really fucking [TS]

00:37:30   complicated get your life gets more [TS]

00:37:31   complicated but I've seen people do it [TS]

00:37:33   well you know I've seen people I've seen [TS]

00:37:35   people go through four million dollars [TS]

00:37:37   and come out the other side with papas [TS]

00:37:39   accept a divorce but I've also seen [TS]

00:37:43   people you know have two to four million [TS]

00:37:45   dollars and do it and make it you know [TS]

00:37:47   come out the other side like with a [TS]

00:37:49   higher definitely like they have more [TS]

00:37:51   problems understand like an example like [TS]

00:37:53   that you got to think more about just [TS]

00:37:54   dumb stuff you can give me an example [TS]

00:37:56   some time ago like theoretically there's [TS]

00:37:59   somebody who your pals with and they're [TS]

00:38:01   doing pretty ok and you take turns [TS]

00:38:03   picking up the tab right right right [TS]

00:38:05   then something happens [TS]

00:38:07   somebody's ritual as things happen and [TS]

00:38:09   now let's say hypothetically one of [TS]

00:38:12   those people has 24 his or her own [TS]

00:38:14   sanity become a lot more circumspect [TS]

00:38:16   about picking up the tab [TS]

00:38:18   yes because people going to start to [TS]

00:38:20   expect that or the right of the envious [TS]

00:38:21   or whatever right now and then you get [TS]

00:38:24   the infrastructure and then you get it [TS]

00:38:26   now you've gotta like get a birthday [TS]

00:38:28   gift for the lawn guy and if you don't [TS]

00:38:30   think that's real dude that is so rich [TS]

00:38:32   the hammer problem it is back the hammer [TS]

00:38:34   problem well it's yeah it's that it's [TS]

00:38:36   now all of a sudden you're given valet [TS]

00:38:37   parking guys 20 bucks I i want to repeal [TS]

00:38:40   remind me to come back to this i was at [TS]

00:38:41   the hotel this weekend did you see [TS]

00:38:43   hammer know what I was at the tonga room [TS]

00:38:46   yeah I was up on the roof what yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:48   someone our talented up on the roof [TS]

00:38:50   where I Spit on the San Francisco cable [TS]

00:38:52   car and then the cablecard tweeted at me [TS]

00:38:55   help my daughter over that presence is [TS]

00:38:56   me and thought of you I thought finally [TS]

00:38:59   have you did you like the view it's a [TS]

00:39:00   beautiful view of you and she was she [TS]

00:39:02   wasn't showing scared it's kind of weird [TS]

00:39:04   and like she's wired right but so that [TS]

00:39:07   the hundred million is in that the [TS]

00:39:09   problem is like there's something that [TS]

00:39:10   is probably bullshit you know anybody [TS]

00:39:13   with a hundred million dollars [TS]

00:39:14   yes and I know at least five people i [TS]

00:39:18   think probably somebody is what is so [TS]

00:39:21   great hundred is the hundred meant to be [TS]

00:39:23   a in the trick of this trick question is [TS]

00:39:26   that meant to be like you're not saying [TS]

00:39:28   50 billion dollars can write saying [TS]

00:39:31   $50,000 you're saying it's an amount [TS]

00:39:33   that seems large enough to seem like on [TS]

00:39:35   the face of it like you could maybe [TS]

00:39:36   never spend it if you were never spend [TS]

00:39:39   it all if you weren't you know a gambler [TS]

00:39:40   something I feel like a hundred million [TS]

00:39:42   is this amount where you easily could [TS]

00:39:45   live on it and your descendants could [TS]

00:39:48   live on it but you could also squander [TS]

00:39:52   it [TS]

00:39:52   oh it's like that is it is a it you [TS]

00:39:55   could either establish need that your [TS]

00:39:58   family name for generations with a [TS]

00:40:00   hundred million dollars i mean i don't [TS]

00:40:02   know my father was pretty good friends [TS]

00:40:05   with George warehouse her and I don't [TS]

00:40:07   think the warehouses or worth a hundred [TS]

00:40:10   million dollars in 1970 I mean maybe if [TS]

00:40:15   you if you took all the land that they [TS]

00:40:17   owned by me a hundred million dollars in [TS]

00:40:21   1970 it was an inconceivable amount of [TS]

00:40:23   money that was like that was inflation [TS]

00:40:26   freaks me and it blows my mind all the [TS]

00:40:28   time and they're just like I'm going to [TS]

00:40:30   say this and I'm going to call one of my [TS]

00:40:32   one of my periodic please don't respond [TS]

00:40:34   the way you want to respond [TS]

00:40:35   what it might cost if certain things [TS]

00:40:38   happen in governance these days [TS]

00:40:41   mmm mmm where this happened in 1995 and [TS]

00:40:46   it costs a billion dollars and the [TS]

00:40:48   speculation is that was this time it [TS]

00:40:49   might be 2 billion dollars i was [TS]

00:40:51   thinking about when I was a kid and the [TS]

00:40:54   the most comfortable people the [TS]

00:40:58   wealthiest people that we were very very [TS]

00:40:59   good friends with owned a head for [TS]

00:41:02   generations on a coal mine in Kentucky [TS]

00:41:04   and they were the first people i know [TS]

00:41:07   and i know this because my phone was in [TS]

00:41:08   real estate in this woman sold real [TS]

00:41:09   estate as well the first people i knew [TS]

00:41:11   they had a house the cost a hundred [TS]

00:41:12   thousand dollars [TS]

00:41:13   yeah it was this is 1977-78 it was 100% [TS]

00:41:18   custom every kid doing kid had a room [TS]

00:41:21   with astro turf and a golf like going [TS]

00:41:24   can't afford another guy had a bed on a [TS]

00:41:27   raised a as another girl had probably [TS]

00:41:29   I'd say probably 500 square foot bedroom [TS]

00:41:32   was awesome they had their wet bars was [TS]

00:41:34   so something like six bedrooms and had a [TS]

00:41:37   telephone booth and operating telephone [TS]

00:41:39   booth in there in there like record TV [TS]

00:41:41   area [TS]

00:41:42   oh it was on was it was a British [TS]

00:41:44   telephone booth like a red it's really [TS]

00:41:46   cincinnati bell i'm guessing but it was [TS]

00:41:48   no bit complete irish bar actually at [TS]

00:41:52   the country of Ireland was then it was [TS]

00:41:58   on beautiful land and they had dogs and [TS]

00:42:00   200,000 but you were great people but it [TS]

00:42:03   stays like that honestly John I'm sorry [TS]

00:42:06   it does not seem like that long ago that [TS]

00:42:08   was a hundred you remember do you [TS]

00:42:10   remember the first time you heard the [TS]

00:42:12   term a billion dollars [TS]

00:42:15   yeah that's why that's when that joke [TS]

00:42:16   started about you know billion with Abby [TS]

00:42:18   because you're like no no i'm talking [TS]

00:42:20   about a thousand times more than that [TS]

00:42:22   yeah right reduced when Carl second [TS]

00:42:24   would say billions and billions of stars [TS]

00:42:26   the word billion was unfamiliar to us [TS]

00:42:29   and his his coinage of billions and [TS]

00:42:34   billions was like that the word billion [TS]

00:42:38   about the signs in the parlance i do it [TS]

00:42:41   was a science word like it was like like [TS]

00:42:44   the word Google could the google glass [TS]

00:42:47   like these weren't words in the in the [TS]

00:42:50   in the common parlance because like when [TS]

00:42:54   the Hunt Brothers cornered the silver [TS]

00:42:56   market in 1980 and basically had bought [TS]

00:43:00   up all the liquid silver all the all the [TS]

00:43:04   silver that was being traded at an [TS]

00:43:06   attempt to corner the world market on [TS]

00:43:09   silver how much money we were talking [TS]

00:43:11   about 50 million dollars me which seemed [TS]

00:43:14   like an inconceivable amount of money at [TS]

00:43:16   the time right and they drove silver up [TS]

00:43:18   to fifty dollars now that way I i may be [TS]

00:43:21   wrong about this 15 million dollars but [TS]

00:43:23   like a billion dollars was the type of [TS]

00:43:25   thing was only a term that got talked [TS]

00:43:28   about in government budgets and land [TS]

00:43:31   world population world population and [TS]

00:43:33   maybe switch the number of stars in the [TS]

00:43:36   galaxy [TS]

00:43:37   yeah you're right million million is [TS]

00:43:39   like now million barely registers not [TS]

00:43:42   because I've got that kind of money but [TS]

00:43:44   now when I hear million thrown out there [TS]

00:43:45   because there are so many numbers we [TS]

00:43:47   hear every day it doesn't even really [TS]

00:43:48   register like us to it's like there are [TS]

00:43:50   million notes in every one of my guitar [TS]

00:43:53   solos we bought a house my mom bought a [TS]

00:43:56   house when I was when I was 10 and was a [TS]

00:44:00   very modest house but it was a [TS]

00:44:01   three-bedroom house on with the front [TS]

00:44:04   yard backyard climbing trees you know if [TS]

00:44:07   it had some renovation but needed work [TS]

00:44:09   but in 1976 my mom bought a [TS]

00:44:12   three-bedroom want to have bath house [TS]

00:44:15   for twenty-eight thousand dollars isn't [TS]

00:44:19   that and then like even check this out [TS]

00:44:21   now even in 1999 have a really good [TS]

00:44:23   friend who he his wife and bought a [TS]

00:44:25   house and then moved out here for to [TS]

00:44:28   work at the place where I work [TS]

00:44:29   he had a court is gonna kill you John he [TS]

00:44:31   had a corner lot in Tallahassee on a [TS]

00:44:33   beautiful Street in Tallahassee mature [TS]

00:44:35   trees all around corner lot three [TS]

00:44:38   bedrooms sixty thousand dollars [TS]

00:44:39   yeah in the late nineties yeah doesn't [TS]

00:44:42   that seem and then and then it was funny [TS]

00:44:44   as then when my friend moved here and we [TS]

00:44:47   worked the realestate.com together he [TS]

00:44:50   would spend a lot of his decks just [TS]

00:44:51   going through all the real estate [TS]

00:44:52   listings to find the most unbelievable [TS]

00:44:55   thing that he could find all right [TS]

00:44:57   here's a really good one now [TS]

00:44:59   a lower noe valley fire damage haha down [TS]

00:45:05   450,000 anytime you see one of my deal [TS]

00:45:13   and it's ABC fire-damaged it's something [TS]

00:45:16   that God 650 yeah yeah and I all of this [TS]

00:45:21   that like the the way that money has [TS]

00:45:24   become unreal has detached my [TS]

00:45:28   imagination from the real to like I do [TS]

00:45:31   spend an inordinate amount of time [TS]

00:45:33   looking up a dirt roads as I'm driving [TS]

00:45:38   on you know two-lane blacktop in western [TS]

00:45:41   washington looking up dirt roads into [TS]

00:45:43   the trees just to see if maybe there's a [TS]

00:45:45   drug deal gone wrong up there and [TS]

00:45:46   there's a there's a van full of money [TS]

00:45:48   this is the devil back scenario [TS]

00:45:50   double-bag scenario like it is a it is [TS]

00:45:52   becoming a sickness because money seems [TS]

00:45:55   so comically unreal that it just seems [TS]

00:45:58   like oh well sure there are duffel bags [TS]

00:46:01   of money being driven down the road all [TS]

00:46:05   around me did you see this thing in the [TS]

00:46:06   newspaper the other day a think the [TS]

00:46:09   government in Heidelberg Germany went to [TS]

00:46:12   the newspapers and said will the person [TS]

00:46:15   who left the 10 pounds of gold bars and [TS]

00:46:21   duffel bag full of cash in a blocker at [TS]

00:46:25   the bus station please come forward [TS]

00:46:27   because the because we were emptying out [TS]

00:46:31   the lockers that had expired and we [TS]

00:46:34   found this like these pounds of gold and [TS]

00:46:38   suitcase full of money and there appears [TS]

00:46:40   to be no it doesn't seem like it's [TS]

00:46:42   connected to a crime and we'd would just [TS]

00:46:46   like to return it to its owner like are [TS]

00:46:50   you kidding me [TS]

00:46:51   and that's that sounds like a jam but [TS]

00:46:53   that sounds like like chief Wiggum [TS]

00:46:55   telling you to come get your boat you [TS]

00:46:57   know if you think so you think so i [TS]

00:46:58   think it's a little bit like that's my [TS]

00:47:00   body haha that's the jackal comma Carlos [TS]

00:47:03   please come collect your boat jackal [TS]

00:47:08   haha [TS]

00:47:09   try to look at the details on this right [TS]

00:47:13   here because here's the here's the other [TS]

00:47:14   side of this we talk about the unreality [TS]

00:47:15   is a I think I don't know so my father [TS]

00:47:22   was born just a few months before the [TS]

00:47:26   crash oh no they didnt did her work this [TS]

00:47:30   morning [TS]

00:47:31   don't run out of buildings follow was [TS]

00:47:33   born better gonna get the right number [TS]

00:47:35   on this um but I think you know unless [TS]

00:47:41   you're like me and a PBS buff ya ladies [TS]

00:47:44   uh I think Ally i'm guessing a lot of [TS]

00:47:48   people of our age and younger are not [TS]

00:47:50   they know they know the Depression was [TS]

00:47:51   bad the Great Depression they know it [TS]

00:47:53   was bad they may see pictures of [TS]

00:47:54   children selling apples but I'm not [TS]

00:47:58   gonna put well you know what I almost [TS]

00:47:59   went bad direction [TS]

00:48:00   yeah let's just say this stuff happened [TS]

00:48:02   in the twenties and thirties that nobody [TS]

00:48:04   thought would ever happen [TS]

00:48:05   the first thing that never happened [TS]

00:48:09   where people who had a lot of money [TS]

00:48:10   suddenly didn't have it [TS]

00:48:11   yeah the crash and people like Groucho [TS]

00:48:14   Marx and I'm i just remember hearing the [TS]

00:48:17   crowd show [TS]

00:48:18   well all I mean like seriously I think [TS]

00:48:21   he's in less than a week he lost pretty [TS]

00:48:24   much all because there was this part of [TS]

00:48:26   the problem again part of the let me get [TS]

00:48:28   my a great historical perspective in [TS]

00:48:30   here part of the very problem with what [TS]

00:48:31   led to the crash so many of the problems [TS]

00:48:33   with one of them was that people were so [TS]

00:48:34   heavily stuffing money into the stock [TS]

00:48:36   market because it was such an obvious [TS]

00:48:37   thing you're you get dummy right not to [TS]

00:48:40   put all of your money into these stocks [TS]

00:48:42   well just like in 1998 1999 precisely [TS]

00:48:45   precisely even though even though [TS]

00:48:48   delivering bags of pet food by US mail [TS]

00:48:51   doesn't in retrospect seem like such a [TS]

00:48:53   great idea [TS]

00:48:54   hey i've got i've still got my kokomo a [TS]

00:48:56   can message osman over them getting a [TS]

00:49:01   job stainless i don't i don't actually [TS]

00:49:03   have a coke mode but as a great bags [TS]

00:49:05   I know it's a status symbol among a [TS]

00:49:07   certain kind of aging i get my Christmas [TS]

00:49:09   shopping recognize my Christmas shopping [TS]

00:49:12   christmas shopping they just bring it to [TS]

00:49:14   your house but but I anyway I just [TS]

00:49:16   interesting to think about something [TS]

00:49:17   like Groucho he and his brothers and he [TS]

00:49:19   was you know [TS]

00:49:22   I'm trying to think check out was big [TS]

00:49:25   gambler [TS]

00:49:26   it was always out of money everybody [TS]

00:49:27   says Harper was great guy [TS]

00:49:29   elska which ones fo nobody knows anyway [TS]

00:49:31   Groucho's made a lot of dough and he's [TS]

00:49:33   pretty good with money and I think he [TS]

00:49:36   had perhaps at least hundreds of [TS]

00:49:38   thousands maybe millions of dollars [TS]

00:49:40   let's just say that by 1930 standards he [TS]

00:49:42   done pretty well yeah and then in [TS]

00:49:45   something like i'll say a month but I'm [TS]

00:49:46   gonna get really more like three or four [TS]

00:49:47   days it was just gone deef it was gone [TS]

00:49:50   and guess what you owe money because now [TS]

00:49:51   there's calls [TS]

00:49:52   Yeah right there stuff where you had [TS]

00:49:54   shorted to her you know what I mean like [TS]

00:49:55   where you you had a cup and the term you [TS]

00:49:58   know where you can shoot the market [TS]

00:49:59   short-sheet the market and now they want [TS]

00:50:01   to know where the legs that's right and [TS]

00:50:02   so you end it go from being like set for [TS]

00:50:06   the rest of your life to this looks bad [TS]

00:50:09   to you it's all my god to now i owe [TS]

00:50:12   money [TS]

00:50:13   yeah like that's it's just that that [TS]

00:50:16   when people sit around and got a hundred [TS]

00:50:17   nine dollars i go to flip zap zap I go [TS]

00:50:20   do all this obviously safe stuff i mean [TS]

00:50:22   it's i would be tempted to put in a bus [TS]

00:50:25   Locker in Germany [TS]

00:50:27   yeah well then this is the this is the [TS]

00:50:29   one I keep coming back to which is that [TS]

00:50:31   money is fake [TS]

00:50:32   you know money is is fake and I was [TS]

00:50:34   thinking about it the other day I was [TS]

00:50:36   sitting in a hotel in portland and i [TS]

00:50:39   realized that something had happened I [TS]

00:50:41   don't remember when this happened but I [TS]

00:50:43   had crossed a threshold where I no [TS]

00:50:47   longer looked at the prices of items on [TS]

00:50:50   menus like I have crossed a threshold [TS]

00:50:55   where the most expensive item on the [TS]

00:50:59   menu is no longer a daunting amount like [TS]

00:51:04   Oh is the steak forty dollars is it [TS]

00:51:07   fifty dollars like I'm I'm already [TS]

00:51:10   committed to eating in this restaurant [TS]

00:51:11   and I'm going to order the thing that I [TS]

00:51:15   want [TS]

00:51:16   and I'm not gonna order the chicken [TS]

00:51:18   because it's $18 i'm just going to order [TS]

00:51:22   the steak and I'm not gonna whatever the [TS]

00:51:25   price of the thing is no longer matters [TS]

00:51:27   and that is a that is a threshold of [TS]

00:51:30   prosperity that I went over at a certain [TS]

00:51:33   point and most of us spend our lives the [TS]

00:51:36   menu comes and sometimes you sit down in [TS]

00:51:39   the wrong restaurant on the menu comes [TS]

00:51:40   in you Blanche because you're like oh [TS]

00:51:42   shit I didn't realize blast [TS]

00:51:44   yeah right and i have blanched my whole [TS]

00:51:48   life like the menu comes and I look at [TS]

00:51:50   it like oh fuck I did not know that this [TS]

00:51:52   was going to be a fifty-dollar steak [TS]

00:51:54   let's skip wines get the hell out of [TS]

00:51:57   here you know and you stand up and put [TS]

00:51:58   the menu down and like tiptoe back out [TS]

00:52:00   of the restaurant but at a certain point [TS]

00:52:02   I whatever however I measure my [TS]

00:52:06   prosperity it I I now realize that if [TS]

00:52:10   i'm going to walk into a restaurant and [TS]

00:52:11   sit down I'm going to order whatever the [TS]

00:52:13   fuck I want and I'm not I don't look at [TS]

00:52:15   the price and when the when the ticket [TS]

00:52:17   comes i look at the amount on it only to [TS]

00:52:20   calculate a generous tip and this is [TS]

00:52:24   evident this is firsthand evidence of [TS]

00:52:26   prosperity like i did not ever I didn't [TS]

00:52:30   know that this was a measuring line [TS]

00:52:32   again we even realize the you went from [TS]

00:52:35   having an unconscious budget to not [TS]

00:52:38   thinking about it [TS]

00:52:38   yeah i did not aspire to one day I want [TS]

00:52:41   to live in a world where I can order off [TS]

00:52:42   the menu and not look at the price but [TS]

00:52:45   one day I did that did happen [TS]

00:52:48   um and so as I was sitting in this hotel [TS]

00:52:51   lobby eating my mushrooms in garlic wine [TS]

00:52:55   sauce that had been brought to me by by [TS]

00:52:59   a delightful and capable server i was [TS]

00:53:02   saying what is the next what is the next [TS]

00:53:04   threshold for me is it that I by our be [TS]

00:53:08   able to buy a car without thinking about [TS]

00:53:12   how much it costs like there are people [TS]

00:53:14   who say i want that car I want the [TS]

00:53:19   porsche cayman because i am a tasteless [TS]

00:53:22   person who wants an SUV that looks like [TS]

00:53:26   a Porsche 911 like I want a [TS]

00:53:30   thing I got that sounds awful I don't [TS]

00:53:32   want have you not seen the porsche [TS]

00:53:34   cayman I'm gonna get going [TS]

00:53:36   the Porsche Cayman is a they were like [TS]

00:53:38   we got to get in we have to get in on [TS]

00:53:41   this SUV markets but we only make von [TS]

00:53:44   Kahr which is the 911 wouldn't so even [TS]

00:53:48   make it into an SUV and it's like no [TS]

00:53:52   that is a terrible terrible terrible [TS]

00:53:54   looking car it looks like it looks like [TS]

00:53:57   a man i'm seeing looks like a regular [TS]

00:53:59   sports car away now what it's not the [TS]

00:54:01   came and what is that what is the what [TS]

00:54:02   is the 911 was the 911 SUV it's got a [TS]

00:54:06   name to find a porsche SUV porsche [TS]

00:54:12   cayenne little Cayenne right not came [TS]

00:54:15   and died and none of these are words why [TS]

00:54:18   are they calling why are they using why [TS]

00:54:21   are they using Central American words so [TS]

00:54:24   this is the worst of every world [TS]

00:54:27   yeah it looks like they took they took a [TS]

00:54:28   corvette stingray and they crossed it [TS]

00:54:31   with a with a dodge minivan and then [TS]

00:54:34   they put a 911 front bumper on it anyway [TS]

00:54:39   there are people that go down to the [TS]

00:54:41   authority 9600 dollars for the standard [TS]

00:54:43   model for the base model and get that [TS]

00:54:46   the top track speed of 42 miles per hour [TS]

00:54:49   yeah well there you gotta capitalize you [TS]

00:54:51   can pick up diapers really fast like I [TS]

00:54:53   was walking down the street the other [TS]

00:54:54   day and a guy drives by in a Maserati [TS]

00:54:56   and I was like right a Maserati like [TS]

00:54:59   they still make Maseratis and it's a [TS]

00:55:03   certain small small percentage of people [TS]

00:55:05   still buy Maseratis and looking at this [TS]

00:55:09   guy's he drove by and and and it was not [TS]

00:55:12   sir mix-a-lot it was just a regular guy [TS]

00:55:15   but looking as amazing as you drove by [TS]

00:55:17   i'm guessing that he was not a Joe Walsh [TS]

00:55:20   fan and not buying a Maserati like just [TS]

00:55:24   because that was like a [TS]

00:55:25   don't-don't-don't i love that he was a [TS]

00:55:29   huge fan of funk number 49 and this is [TS]

00:55:32   like the next to the next jam so people [TS]

00:55:35   still buy Maseratis but they have to be [TS]

00:55:37   people that are either likes betting the [TS]

00:55:40   farm [TS]

00:55:41   or there really are people that just as [TS]

00:55:44   I no longer look at menu prices they are [TS]

00:55:48   not concerned about how much cars cost [TS]

00:55:50   like I'm gonna get this car and it is [TS]

00:55:54   two hundred thousand dollars and I'm [TS]

00:55:56   just going to go get it and that is a [TS]

00:55:59   that I so I do I aspire to have that be [TS]

00:56:01   my next one that's that's ridiculous [TS]

00:56:04   closet minority report on that so first [TS]

00:56:08   of all with many things now do the other [TS]

00:56:10   thing you can do in the menu and I've [TS]

00:56:11   done this in hotels is to like figure [TS]

00:56:13   out like what it is that I want based on [TS]

00:56:15   how much it costs because I probably [TS]

00:56:16   want the most is when one example where [TS]

00:56:19   I will probably just get the most [TS]

00:56:20   expensive steak which is faster for me [TS]

00:56:21   to find the most expensive to find the [TS]

00:56:23   most expensive steak in order to be [TS]

00:56:24   absolutely blown away not a way I [TS]

00:56:27   conduct myself with any other kind of [TS]

00:56:28   thing in the world right now as we've [TS]

00:56:30   learned from where you you like yourself [TS]

00:56:33   a top-shelf Nicaraguan who what are the [TS]

00:56:38   Cuban nothing with their work i see are [TS]

00:56:41   on I won't go into it [TS]

00:56:43   yeah i've cut back on you can cut you [TS]

00:56:45   can cut this all out now I want but no [TS]

00:56:47   Mike my tasting those things is you know [TS]

00:56:51   what you're willing to spend twenty [TS]

00:56:53   dollars on the cigar for what di dunno [TS]

00:56:58   but you know that's unusual so here's [TS]

00:56:59   what I'm going to say about this as [TS]

00:57:00   we've learned from watching the great [TS]

00:57:02   tumblr rich kids on this Instagram and [TS]

00:57:04   there are people who are there to let [TS]

00:57:07   you know it like exactly how much it [TS]

00:57:08   cost so i might not what I'm saying this [TS]

00:57:10   might be obvious is I think some people [TS]

00:57:12   are gonna look at the price i think if [TS]

00:57:14   they've got the dough they might go in [TS]

00:57:15   and make sure they didn't get the third [TS]

00:57:17   most of all I see are getting there [TS]

00:57:18   looking at the price but they're looking [TS]

00:57:19   at it just captures get their heads with [TS]

00:57:22   their cars sit around and talk about the [TS]

00:57:24   dickhead cars [TS]

00:57:25   yeah and they like they're going to line [TS]

00:57:27   up the black BMW and talk about life i [TS]

00:57:29   know there's always gonna think oh you [TS]

00:57:31   didn't get the the sports rimjob rimjob [TS]

00:57:35   share all of you rim job [TS]

00:57:38   that looks that looks so great for a [TS]

00:57:40   standard sports room yeah i went ahead [TS]

00:57:42   and got the variant rimjob yeah very [TS]

00:57:44   rude job [TS]

00:57:45   yeah it's only six of them well okay [TS]

00:57:48   you're absolutely right that among among [TS]

00:57:50   nouveau reach and Bend probably among [TS]

00:57:53   all reach there is there is a price [TS]

00:57:56   consciousness [TS]

00:57:57   okay yeah the wrong reasons but but for [TS]

00:58:00   me like my goal is to it would be nice [TS]

00:58:05   to be the and I think this is the [TS]

00:58:08   aspiration to live more or less as I do [TS]

00:58:11   now but to be able to have the luxury to [TS]

00:58:16   be unconscious of money like i do not [TS]

00:58:20   want a Maserati and conscious or [TS]

00:58:22   unworried unconscious I did you know you [TS]

00:58:27   don't have to think about it in the [TS]

00:58:29   daily sort of like I need to go to New [TS]

00:58:31   York tomorrow i'm going to buy a plane [TS]

00:58:33   ticket and to not sit and have to go [TS]

00:58:37   well let's see there's an aisle seat [TS]

00:58:39   next to the exit row and maybe I can you [TS]

00:58:43   know maybe i can get like the upgrade [TS]

00:58:45   like to just say i'm flying to New York [TS]

00:58:48   tomorrow and i'm buying a ticket and I'm [TS]

00:58:50   flying [TS]

00:58:51   yes and and you know to live to live [TS]

00:58:54   with the sort of a base amount of [TS]

00:58:56   comfort and be and be like have the [TS]

00:59:00   luxury of not pinching ever go um and [TS]

00:59:08   you know and honestly like I think the [TS]

00:59:09   dream i think i think that is in anybody [TS]

00:59:11   i think could agree it would be nice to [TS]

00:59:14   not have to check prices on things [TS]

00:59:15   yeah you know I mean of setting aside [TS]

00:59:17   that somebody tries to slip into seven [TS]

00:59:19   thousand dollars steak but in an [TS]

00:59:20   ordinary day-to-day stuff it would be [TS]

00:59:22   kind of nice [TS]

00:59:23   do you know pick up the tab without [TS]

00:59:25   having to look at it [TS]

00:59:26   yeah i think i was never do but this is [TS]

00:59:28   the problem is you get when you get the [TS]

00:59:30   money [TS]

00:59:31   what you do is you say eat what you do [TS]

00:59:34   is you don't say I can go to the [TS]

00:59:37   supermarket now and buy whatever I want [TS]

00:59:39   to not have to worry you say I don't [TS]

00:59:42   have to go to the supermarket anymore [TS]

00:59:44   i'm going to send somebody for me [TS]

00:59:47   and then you are now you're paying [TS]

00:59:49   you're paying a different level you're [TS]

00:59:52   paying you're not just paying for the [TS]

00:59:54   groceries you're paying for someone he [TS]

00:59:56   and you're opening the door to where I [TS]

00:59:58   was hoping to walk which is you know [TS]

00:59:58   was hoping to walk which is you know [TS]

01:00:00   and to paraphrase are our late friend [TS]

01:00:01   Leslie Hart fault i hate buying presents [TS]

01:00:03   for my presence right when i get a phone [TS]

01:00:05   the last thing we have to do is go buy a [TS]

01:00:06   bunch of stuff for the phone right and [TS]

01:00:08   this is this is the entourage problem [TS]

01:00:10   because it is i miss the poor kid point [TS]

01:00:12   of view from me but I think it's such a [TS]

01:00:14   fairly small number of steps from give [TS]

01:00:17   me the second cheapest everything right [TS]

01:00:19   to give me the third most expensive [TS]

01:00:22   everything [TS]

01:00:22   well yeah but I think the thing is i [TS]

01:00:25   mean i always feel like I've had a [TS]

01:00:26   fairly low threshold for celebration in [TS]

01:00:28   my life like I can make anything into a [TS]

01:00:29   special event if I feel like it i love [TS]

01:00:31   Jeff why should get this nicer one [TS]

01:00:33   because today I murder or whatever but [TS]

01:00:36   like in the case of what you're [TS]

01:00:37   describing I think it makes a lot of [TS]

01:00:38   sense [TS]

01:00:39   here's the thing in my experience in [TS]

01:00:40   this way a struggle so much with the [TS]

01:00:42   travel stuff with you know work stuff [TS]

01:00:45   because a flight flight across the [TS]

01:00:46   United States cost seven hundred dollars [TS]

01:00:48   round trip [TS]

01:00:49   yeah now if i want to i mean i find out [TS]

01:00:52   until the last minute on the radio check [TS]

01:00:53   out i might be able to get an extra [TS]

01:00:55   nanometer no knee room for sixty dollars [TS]

01:00:59   each way or eighty dollars each way if [TS]

01:01:01   you're a gold member [TS]

01:01:02   no big deal right there i'll pay that [TS]

01:01:04   but now let's be honest that's like [TS]

01:01:06   another sixteen percent on top of what I [TS]

01:01:08   just spent not a huge deal i don't know [TS]

01:01:10   the last time you about business class [TS]

01:01:11   if business classes available that's [TS]

01:01:14   going to be a two-thousand-dollar flight [TS]

01:01:16   if its first class that might be a three [TS]

01:01:18   or four thousand dollars and so now [TS]

01:01:21   you're back to know what can I afford ok [TS]

01:01:23   let's just do business class but [TS]

01:01:25   remember your fancy now so you got an [TS]

01:01:27   assistant so your assistant gonna sit in [TS]

01:01:29   coach will know you want them taking [TS]

01:01:30   education and shine your nails and shit [TS]

01:01:32   like that you know what about the car [TS]

01:01:33   will now you gotta have it you know [TS]

01:01:35   collagen is like I maybe this is just [TS]

01:01:37   like this the limitations of my mind but [TS]

01:01:38   that's why the hundred million dollar [TS]

01:01:40   question is so interesting to me because [TS]

01:01:41   i don't think people iterate they don't [TS]

01:01:45   do enough iterations of the future where [TS]

01:01:48   you go one iteration of the future i pay [TS]

01:01:49   off on my family's debt super nice [TS]

01:01:51   ok next iteration the future no family [TS]

01:01:53   knows you have tons of money and you [TS]

01:01:54   have less now [TS]

01:01:55   ok ok i will have the systems that this [TS]

01:01:59   is where it gets this is where it's such [TS]

01:02:01   a brain teaser for people because i pad [TS]

01:02:02   I just I just pose this question to a [TS]

01:02:05   lady friend of mine the other day and [TS]

01:02:06   she said well made a hundred million [TS]

01:02:08   dollars it's like [TS]

01:02:09   you're not really set for life I mean [TS]

01:02:11   you could blow through that pretty fast [TS]

01:02:14   did not set for your life and I was like [TS]

01:02:16   say what know exactly tell me how a [TS]

01:02:19   hundred million dollars is not set for [TS]

01:02:21   life and she was like well I mean you [TS]

01:02:22   know he's just a little bit here a [TS]

01:02:25   little bit there and I'm like a little [TS]

01:02:27   bit here a little bit there a hundred [TS]

01:02:29   million dollars that's a million dollars [TS]

01:02:32   a year for a hundred years 2 billion [TS]

01:02:35   dollars a year for 50 years and she's [TS]

01:02:37   like well yeah exactly 2 million dollars [TS]

01:02:39   a year like I would have no trouble [TS]

01:02:42   spending 2 billion dollars a year and I [TS]

01:02:44   was like oh look at this way I'm gonna [TS]

01:02:47   I'm gonna find totally pulling this out [TS]

01:02:49   of my ass but this is my postulation I [TS]

01:02:51   don't say it but think about whether [TS]

01:02:53   it's your that later who ever think [TS]

01:02:54   about the largest amount of money that [TS]

01:02:57   you've ever had in a liquid form like [TS]

01:03:01   you could spend this money [TS]

01:03:03   yep and let's say that whatever $50,000 [TS]

01:03:07   let's say that some happen your family [TS]

01:03:08   so we passed away [TS]

01:03:10   you gotta know to two hundred thousand [TS]

01:03:11   dollars whatever it is that you would [TS]

01:03:13   rush to go do stuff with to like a but i [TS]

01:03:16   think if you give somebody more i'm [TS]

01:03:19   making this up if you give somebody [TS]

01:03:21   let's call that they're there [TS]

01:03:24   jee le their greatest liquidity event [TS]

01:03:28   you give people agree that the GL 'if [TS]

01:03:31   you give them three times the previous [TS]

01:03:33   largest liquidity event [TS]

01:03:34   yeah it might as well be a zillion [TS]

01:03:36   dollars I don't think for a minute and [TS]

01:03:39   i'll just be for myself in time for [TS]

01:03:41   myself with money like if it's more than [TS]

01:03:43   a certain amount you know if you have to [TS]

01:03:45   somebody else to do something tomorrow [TS]

01:03:46   morning at 8am I'd say no come on I'm [TS]

01:03:48   busy something to do something some [TS]

01:03:50   morning at 8am five years from now I'll [TS]

01:03:51   probably say yes it's exactly the same [TS]

01:03:52   amount of time it's just--that's million [TS]

01:03:54   years away of course i can do that and [TS]

01:03:56   in that same way a lot of folks so they [TS]

01:03:58   get three times there i was a jammy dle [TS]

01:04:01   Julie yeah well I think something like [TS]

01:04:03   high school test 11 extended weekend in [TS]

01:04:07   Las Vegas not spent well yeah you could [TS]

01:04:11   drop you could you know what I'm going [TS]

01:04:14   to say this i think you could drop a [TS]

01:04:15   hundred thousand dollars in las vegas [TS]

01:04:17   without even trying [TS]

01:04:18   oh you would just did slip on a banana [TS]

01:04:19   peel and it's gone eat you know it lets [TS]

01:04:21   just even say [TS]

01:04:22   you go to like hundred-dollar cables in [TS]

01:04:24   blackjack but it can't everything starts [TS]

01:04:26   moving up you know if they make copy [TS]

01:04:27   room they're not gonna copy cristal we [TS]

01:04:29   gotta get crystal I'm rich now [TS]

01:04:31   so now you're saying this new pattern [TS]

01:04:33   and it's like you know it's you're still [TS]

01:04:35   that same person as i like to say [TS]

01:04:37   wherever you travel the old you comes [TS]

01:04:39   along in the suitcase [TS]

01:04:40   well and this is this is part part of [TS]

01:04:42   what I what worries me is that my [TS]

01:04:45   greatest liquidity event was in 2008 i [TS]

01:04:52   had a hundred and thirty thousand [TS]

01:04:58   dollars because the Lord to the part for [TS]

01:05:02   the point for the purpose of [TS]

01:05:04   illustrating this story [TS]

01:05:06   yeah and it was a combination of a TV ad [TS]

01:05:09   it was all this money that i made as a [TS]

01:05:11   rock musician and what did i do with it [TS]

01:05:15   I didn't work for five more years like I [TS]

01:05:22   did nothing with it i have spent the [TS]

01:05:25   last five years not doing anything [TS]

01:05:29   except drawing down after your own era [TS]

01:05:36   it's yeah like that you've actually [TS]

01:05:38   inherited money for its up I every day I [TS]

01:05:41   go on my favorite website bring a [TS]

01:05:42   trailer calm and I look at hot rod cars [TS]

01:05:45   and I go who that'd be a cool car [TS]

01:05:48   look at that be cool car and a great [TS]

01:05:51   number of these cars are affordable to [TS]

01:05:53   me you know they're fifteen thousand [TS]

01:05:55   dollars for a certain kind of hot rodder [TS]

01:05:57   you know $10,000 $20,000 and I've been [TS]

01:06:01   looking at these cars the entire time [TS]

01:06:02   when I had a veritable fortune I mean [TS]

01:06:07   and I had this amount of money in the [TS]

01:06:08   bank this wasn't like money that was [TS]

01:06:10   promised to me i was still earning money [TS]

01:06:12   right [TS]

01:06:13   this was funny and in the bank and what [TS]

01:06:15   did i do I just kept living like I've [TS]

01:06:19   been living which is so fucking easy [TS]

01:06:21   I go to New York I go to san francisco i [TS]

01:06:23   go to Portland I go to wherever I want [TS]

01:06:26   to go and I stand hotels and I eat food [TS]

01:06:29   but i did not increase the amount of [TS]

01:06:32   luxury [TS]

01:06:33   OIC [TS]

01:06:35   a massage did you okay i did not start [TS]

01:06:38   spending more money than i had ever done [TS]

01:06:42   and up until that point I had been [TS]

01:06:44   living on twenty thousand dollars a year [TS]

01:06:47   and i continued to more or less live on [TS]

01:06:51   twenty thousand dollars a year because [TS]

01:06:54   you know I don't drink and I don't smoke [TS]

01:06:56   and I don't you know I don't buy I think [TS]

01:06:59   you can't discount gambling gambling is [TS]

01:07:01   this secret shame thing I keep learning [TS]

01:07:02   more and more people are gambling was [TS]

01:07:05   just their undoing [TS]

01:07:06   yeah I don't gamble i do not it'sit's [TS]

01:07:08   wearing your sergeants in a way it's [TS]

01:07:10   worse than drugs because in the sense [TS]

01:07:12   that like you know if you buy the most [TS]

01:07:15   expensive big old bunch of cocaine in [TS]

01:07:16   the world or heroin or whatever whatever [TS]

01:07:18   is expensive you know if you did all of [TS]

01:07:21   that in one night you would die [TS]

01:07:23   yeah or be very very ill but you could [TS]

01:07:26   spend 50 times more than you've ever [TS]

01:07:28   spent on gambling in one night just [TS]

01:07:29   because you felt like you were hot [TS]

01:07:31   yeah right oh you did you know upper [TS]

01:07:33   limit to that you will and you will [TS]

01:07:34   regrettably still be alive when that's [TS]

01:07:36   done but I don't but you know I don't [TS]

01:07:38   like it and so right so my concern is [TS]

01:07:42   that if I mean that and this is why pose [TS]

01:07:45   this question to everybody is that I'm [TS]

01:07:48   legitimately worried that if I won a [TS]

01:07:52   hundred million dollars or if I earned [TS]

01:07:55   two million dollars [TS]

01:07:57   this is the hundred million dollars is [TS]

01:07:58   like if I $109 i would not keep living [TS]

01:08:01   on twenty thousand dollars a year i [TS]

01:08:03   would definitely like to up my game a [TS]

01:08:06   little bit but if I made two million [TS]

01:08:08   dollars if something for some reason I i [TS]

01:08:10   made a good record or i sold a book you [TS]

01:08:14   know making one of those two million [TS]

01:08:15   dollar books or you know was it for [TS]

01:08:18   whatever reason became an entertainment [TS]

01:08:20   property such that iron 2 million [TS]

01:08:23   dollars [TS]

01:08:24   I'm very worried that I would just [TS]

01:08:27   put it in the bank and stop working [TS]

01:08:29   forever and live on the same sort of 30 [TS]

01:08:33   grand a year with a nice worried but you [TS]

01:08:37   know I I want to be more i want to be a [TS]

01:08:41   little bit more flamboyant i mean i [TS]

01:08:43   would I feel like so ghetto go get an [TS]

01:08:47   expensive watch at the very light my [TS]

01:08:48   analysis from afar would be if I hear [TS]

01:08:51   what you're really saying is that you're [TS]

01:08:53   not making as much stuff as you'd like [TS]

01:08:55   right now and if you had a hundred [TS]

01:08:57   million dollars that's really all the [TS]

01:08:58   reason you need to not make another [TS]

01:09:00   thing again and that's the last thing in [TS]

01:09:02   the world you need right now right [TS]

01:09:04   my classes that mean yes yes but i [TS]

01:09:06   cannot but i cannot say to myself you're [TS]

01:09:09   bored poverty is a blessing and you know [TS]

01:09:14   you're gonna you need to you need to get [TS]

01:09:16   back to the place where you do look at [TS]

01:09:19   the prices on menus but not not from the [TS]

01:09:23   perspective of a 24-year old living in [TS]

01:09:25   your artist garrett but from the [TS]

01:09:27   perspective of a 45 year old who is [TS]

01:09:30   feeling like tighten his belt that is [TS]

01:09:34   what you need because that might make [TS]

01:09:36   you pick up the pen and go back to work [TS]

01:09:38   and work is what gives life meaning and [TS]

01:09:42   it's just sitting and watching the [TS]

01:09:45   sitting on your front porch with a with [TS]

01:09:47   a mug of coffee watching the Sun arc [TS]

01:09:50   across the sky is not how you should [TS]

01:09:55   mark your time on this planet and it's [TS]

01:09:58   what I've been doing for the last five [TS]

01:09:59   years watching the leaves change because [TS]

01:10:02   I didn't have to worry [TS]

01:10:04   and I didn't have that much money i mean [TS]

01:10:06   i'm honestly right when it by comparison [TS]

01:10:11   sure I mean there that is not really [TS]

01:10:14   that much money to live for five years [TS]

01:10:17   that's pretty remarkable yeah but I but [TS]

01:10:20   what I spent money than I don't spend [TS]

01:10:22   money on anything I spent money on [TS]

01:10:24   everyone's while ago in a restaurant and [TS]

01:10:25   I don't look at the menu the rest of the [TS]

01:10:27   time i can meet i get i get somebody [TS]

01:10:31   gives me a bag of coffee and i'm and i [TS]

01:10:34   make it and I said on my porch and i [TS]

01:10:36   watch the leaves change and then it's [TS]

01:10:39   2010 and every once in a while ha [TS]

01:10:42   judgment calls and says want to do a [TS]

01:10:43   show in portland I go sure and generally [TS]

01:10:47   he buys the train ticket so I didn't [TS]

01:10:49   have to spend any money i can get into [TS]

01:10:52   your racket that's a good racket [TS]

01:10:54   well except like that's just enough [TS]

01:10:57   activity to keep you thinking you're [TS]

01:10:59   working [TS]

01:11:00   yeah but i know i'm not i'm I know [TS]

01:11:03   anything that disparagingly i suffer [TS]

01:11:05   from the same thing you know i feel like [TS]

01:11:06   if i can make a tiny little uh you know [TS]

01:11:08   the sewer pea-sized poopy I really [TS]

01:11:10   succeeded you know I create anything at [TS]

01:11:13   all like yeah me get a cookie [TS]

01:11:15   it goes back to I think a like the like [TS]

01:11:20   a foundational idea that I had as a [TS]

01:11:23   young person which was that money was [TS]

01:11:25   money provided leisure and if you had [TS]

01:11:29   money then you have the then you had [TS]

01:11:31   leisure and so leisure is the highest [TS]

01:11:34   purchase like that is the that is the [TS]

01:11:38   most valuable commodity and yet i have [TS]

01:11:43   leisure in abundance and I do not feel [TS]

01:11:46   rich [TS]

01:11:47   wait I mean to state the obvious it's [TS]

01:11:51   hard to appreciate the leisure if you [TS]

01:11:53   don't also have the work in other words [TS]

01:11:55   a day off doesn't mean as much if you [TS]

01:11:57   weren't you know he's doing something [TS]

01:11:59   that you didn't want to have to do or [TS]

01:12:01   for that matter that you wanted to do I [TS]

01:12:03   suppose [TS]

01:12:04   leisure increases in value and it only [TS]

01:12:08   in comparison to work or like ultimate [TS]

01:12:12   leisure with this is the you know my [TS]

01:12:14   sister went on foreign exchange her [TS]

01:12:17   junior year in high school she went to [TS]

01:12:19   st. Lucia which is a island in the [TS]

01:12:22   caribbean at the southern southern part [TS]

01:12:24   of the Caribbean and she came back from [TS]

01:12:28   st. Lucia from a year they're speaking [TS]

01:12:31   with a kind of patois lilting Caribbean [TS]

01:12:37   patois and she said you know mine and [TS]

01:12:41   she's a junior in high school [TS]

01:12:42   blonde blonde junior in high school [TS]

01:12:44   shoes like we work to hard up your men [TS]

01:12:47   got to just relax and I was like it's [TS]

01:12:51   casual [TS]

01:12:52   I was like okay okay rastaman check [TS]

01:12:56   check it but it had a profound effect on [TS]

01:13:01   her at a bit at a very impressionable [TS]

01:13:03   age she went to I an island where the [TS]

01:13:09   breadfruit fell from the trees and the [TS]

01:13:12   culture on st. Lucia was very much like [TS]

01:13:16   what are you stressing about you know [TS]

01:13:18   relax and enjoy yourself and just you [TS]

01:13:20   know hang out go to the beach like it [TS]

01:13:23   and she brought that mentality back to [TS]

01:13:25   Alaska and up until that point she been [TS]

01:13:28   a real Stryver in her classes you know [TS]

01:13:30   she'd been up straight excuse she skied [TS]

01:13:32   is that what it was [TS]

01:13:33   choose a competitive skier she was a [TS]

01:13:35   commission competitive and everything [TS]

01:13:37   she did and she was a real go-getter [TS]

01:13:39   like a natural-born go get her and it [TS]

01:13:43   wasn't clear to her what she was going [TS]

01:13:44   to get but she was just chasing the [TS]

01:13:47   dragon you know like so many of us in [TS]

01:13:50   this culture are taught to do like you [TS]

01:13:53   know get up go go go you gotta get into [TS]

01:13:55   the school and get into the place and [TS]

01:13:57   then get the job go go and she went on [TS]

01:14:00   for exchanging chic [TS]

01:14:01   back and she was like it's all baloney [TS]

01:14:03   our whole rat race is baloney and all we [TS]

01:14:07   have to do is just sit on the beach and [TS]

01:14:08   wait for the breadfruit to fall from the [TS]

01:14:10   trees but she did not live in st. Lucia [TS]

01:14:13   she lived in Alaska there is no [TS]

01:14:16   breadfruit it does not fall from the [TS]

01:14:18   trees there and and it became a schism [TS]

01:14:23   it was a have that experience in her [TS]

01:14:25   life was actually actually became a [TS]

01:14:26   schism in our family because there but [TS]

01:14:30   you know there was no we weren't or we [TS]

01:14:33   weren't able to moderate our like what [TS]

01:14:38   our aspirations were anymore as people [TS]

01:14:41   we don't have to be almost like three [TS]

01:14:43   rejecting the family's religion it's [TS]

01:14:44   like shit so outside the paradigm of how [TS]

01:14:46   you can deal with people [TS]

01:14:48   yeah we'll be right i mean it kind of [TS]

01:14:50   disruptive to how your family's [TS]

01:14:51   organized almost yeah absolutely like it [TS]

01:14:53   wasn't a question of I mean neither [TS]

01:14:56   Susan or I were going to go to Yale but [TS]

01:14:58   that meant that we would try to get into [TS]

01:15:02   a really good state school like [TS]

01:15:05   university washington university [TS]

01:15:07   California you know and that was a place [TS]

01:15:10   where we could wear where are where we [TS]

01:15:13   could maintain our pride at least but [TS]

01:15:17   Susan went to the University of fuckit [TS]

01:15:20   down in Durango Colorado for loozer [TS]

01:15:24   college and durango and I think [TS]

01:15:28   registered for classes and then withdrew [TS]

01:15:30   from class a week later and took the and [TS]

01:15:33   got the refund for her tuition and [TS]

01:15:35   bought a season's pass at a like [TS]

01:15:40   telluride or Bridger Bowl or somewhere [TS]

01:15:42   and spent the whole season a smoking pot [TS]

01:15:46   on the chairlifts and it was just like [TS]

01:15:48   whoa whoa whoa that's not how we do [TS]

01:15:50   she was like a man i'm feeling high [TS]

01:15:54   right now that's Charles too far I I an [TS]

01:16:00   ice ki-i-i-ng and it was like no you [TS]

01:16:04   can't even listen to a joke version of [TS]

01:16:06   that kind of talking and it makes me [TS]

01:16:08   live it and that she know what it what [TS]

01:16:14   are you doing and I and and and then I [TS]

01:16:16   had to reflect on my own version of that [TS]

01:16:20   which was you know a kind of like my [TS]

01:16:27   version of it was from from ways manzano [TS]

01:16:30   you know it was a guy I wanted a I [TS]

01:16:33   wanted a turtle covered with jewels and [TS]

01:16:38   I watched each another car covered with [TS]

01:16:41   jewels in the Clarion layout design made [TS]

01:16:44   of Allah book it looks fucked up [TS]

01:16:50   it's really fucked up but you know that [TS]

01:16:52   was my version of leisure as a reward or [TS]

01:16:56   leisure as as highest luxury but you [TS]

01:17:01   know in upon reflection i somehow [TS]

01:17:07   subvert of my own ambition [TS]

01:17:11   I mean what am i what would I fight for [TS]

01:17:13   now what am i fighting for [TS]

01:17:15   who do I care recognizes me what club do [TS]

01:17:20   I want to be a member of [TS]

01:17:23   who you know who what what if not for [TS]

01:17:28   money or status [TS]

01:17:32   why work it's too abstract to work for [TS]

01:17:38   its own sake or to work and I mean and I [TS]

01:17:42   know that there are people right now who [TS]

01:17:44   are saying for others for others work [TS]

01:17:46   for others [TS]

01:17:48   I got an answer what's your answer I [TS]

01:17:51   mean it's it's not an easy answer but [TS]

01:17:54   you work so that you can do the next [TS]

01:17:55   project that you'd like to do which will [TS]

01:17:57   help you learn the next project you'd [TS]

01:17:59   like to do and you can afford to take [TS]

01:18:01   the the ticket to go somewhere where you [TS]

01:18:03   may not make as much money but it's the [TS]

01:18:05   thing that you wanted to do it's not a [TS]

01:18:07   matter of just to me the leisure part of [TS]

01:18:08   it i guess if any at this point my life [TS]

01:18:11   like if anything i wish i had more money [TS]

01:18:12   i'd love my family more secure but I'd [TS]

01:18:14   also love to not have to worry about [TS]

01:18:16   stuff like oh well there's not a lot of [TS]

01:18:17   money in this show but we'd like you to [TS]

01:18:19   do this and just be able to do that and [TS]

01:18:21   then you go and meet people and you [TS]

01:18:23   become more out there and things like [TS]

01:18:25   that but but you know in another way it [TS]

01:18:26   you can look at like anybody else has [TS]

01:18:28   made anything good out of a bunch of [TS]

01:18:29   money which is they learn how to find [TS]

01:18:31   new opportunities and what they were [TS]

01:18:33   doing not just to make more money but [TS]

01:18:34   you know if you start giving money away [TS]

01:18:36   for good causes you meet more people who [TS]

01:18:38   need money for good causes and you [TS]

01:18:39   become a manager of that stuff in some [TS]

01:18:41   ways I think you know I think we run [TS]

01:18:44   into trouble when we start feeling like [TS]

01:18:45   we know we're on the end of some kind of [TS]

01:18:46   a string [TS]

01:18:47   you know it's just it you know it's just [TS]

01:18:50   if you have a clear sense right now of [TS]

01:18:52   what it is you want to create this would [TS]

01:18:54   not be that hard because you just be [TS]

01:18:56   able to say you could go out you can [TS]

01:18:57   produce a movie you could go out and [TS]

01:18:59   just go approach a filmmaker and say I [TS]

01:19:01   want to write a soundtrack for this or [TS]

01:19:03   you could say to somebody hey you know [TS]

01:19:04   what I really like say go I want to do a [TS]

01:19:07   commercial for you something like that [TS]

01:19:08   that's the thing is is giving feeling [TS]

01:19:10   it's me that the ultimate goal would be [TS]

01:19:12   to feel empowered non-powered to feel [TS]

01:19:14   fearless about going and at and like [TS]

01:19:17   seeking out the projects that you'd like [TS]

01:19:18   to do and that doesn't work out there's [TS]

01:19:20   three more you could do that's that's [TS]

01:19:21   freedom to me it's not about the ability [TS]

01:19:23   to go out and buy four cars that look at [TS]

01:19:25   the price is the ability to know that [TS]

01:19:27   like each failure gets you closer to the [TS]

01:19:29   next cool thing that you do but it [TS]

01:19:30   presupposes that I am interested in here [TS]

01:19:32   in human culture that's true you know [TS]

01:19:35   that I want to be a member [TS]

01:19:36   you're interested in human culture i [TS]

01:19:38   mean i'm interested in it because I [TS]

01:19:40   don't easy out you know you are because [TS]

01:19:42   i don't have access to any better [TS]

01:19:44   cultures you should work with Elon Musk [TS]

01:19:53   I should and we should go find some [TS]

01:19:55   smart people out in space in it that [TS]

01:20:01   would be a hell of a trip this year and [TS]

01:20:04   tell it yes search for intelligent life [TS]

01:20:05   with an extremely narrow definition of [TS]

01:20:08   what intelligences yeah so if you find [TS]

01:20:09   life but somebody's got a 65 like you [TS]

01:20:12   just yeah I some right there are you [TS]

01:20:14   find life and it's even that's 220 IQ [TS]

01:20:17   people but they're like all talking [TS]

01:20:18   about sammy hagar record you know Lionel [TS]

01:20:22   czech intelligence i was i was thinking [TS]

01:20:26   about this the other day [TS]

01:20:27   Sammy Hagar and Guy Fieri represents a [TS]

01:20:31   kind of a dyin i seein human brand right [TS]

01:20:37   there is a whole sub level of like the [TS]

01:20:41   rate that work together day they're like [TS]

01:20:43   Ferengi humans whose who are all wearing [TS]

01:20:46   flame pants and high-top tennis shoes [TS]

01:20:49   they wear glasses on the back of their [TS]

01:20:52   epic with the glasses on the back there [TS]

01:20:53   they wear baseball caps are backwards [TS]

01:20:55   chad kroeger is one of these people like [TS]

01:20:58   there and you can see what once you [TS]

01:21:00   start to recognize them [TS]

01:21:01   it's like it's like they live scenario [TS]

01:21:03   where like oh that's a Hagar shit [TS]

01:21:06   there's a fee area over there and it's a [TS]

01:21:08   whole it's a whole class of humans that [TS]

01:21:10   are living among us and they they you [TS]

01:21:14   know they look like pan you know they [TS]

01:21:17   have I'm sure that you look like pan [TS]

01:21:20   I'm sure that guy fieri and sammy hagar [TS]

01:21:22   both have very hairy tabs and maybe [TS]

01:21:29   cloven hooves and they just want to [TS]

01:21:32   drink wine and party and have a good [TS]

01:21:34   time and I don't think they're dumb one [TS]

01:21:36   of those beers can't be shaved off [TS]

01:21:37   that's right they have little goat [TS]

01:21:39   beards yeah they look like fucking pan [TS]

01:21:42   and they are like pan men [TS]

01:21:45   it and they're living all around us and [TS]

01:21:49   I think I suspect that they are having a [TS]

01:21:50   good time they are living on the same [TS]

01:21:52   planet as me and when I when I'm around [TS]

01:21:54   Guy Fieri and and sammy hagar people I [TS]

01:21:59   feel like one of those tall ghost tall [TS]

01:22:04   like a shadow like elders or whatever [TS]

01:22:09   like in a in a grey cloak who are living [TS]

01:22:12   on a gonna get a cold hall and get a [TS]

01:22:16   long table [TS]

01:22:17   yeah and the pan people are out like [TS]

01:22:19   clicks mirroring crushed grapes on their [TS]

01:22:22   naked chests and like a drum solo [TS]

01:22:25   playing or whatever and now you got [TS]

01:22:26   snowboard in here time I'm somewhere you [TS]

01:22:30   know it's like me and fee waybill and a [TS]

01:22:35   few waybill here's another one [TS]

01:22:36   here's another one of the pain people it [TS]

01:22:39   is a bad person fee [TS]

01:22:41   yeah for sure but you know I I don't [TS]

01:22:44   want to be one of the I don't want to be [TS]

01:22:45   one of the graves i think george w bush [TS]

01:22:48   might be a closet panties a little bit [TS]

01:22:50   of a panty panty yeah I know exactly [TS]

01:22:52   what you mean like we say we [TS]

01:22:54   disparagingly write these men office [TS]

01:22:56   douchebags and they certainly are right [TS]

01:22:58   there's much more to it than that [TS]

01:22:59   there's so much there's the that the [TS]

01:23:02   kind of those this printed shirts with [TS]

01:23:06   lots of like graphical designs on a [TS]

01:23:07   button up shirt or let's say let's say a [TS]

01:23:10   suit jacket that someone has stenciled a [TS]

01:23:12   dragon head on one shoulder it [TS]

01:23:15   yeah and then resew it was like a thrift [TS]

01:23:17   store jacket they resold you for two [TS]

01:23:18   hundred dollars what if ok so the [TS]

01:23:20   twisted and they live [TS]

01:23:22   Rowdy Roddy McDowall for the glasses and [TS]

01:23:26   he's able to see the skeleton people [TS]

01:23:27   right what if they were their glasses on [TS]

01:23:29   the back of their neck because that's [TS]

01:23:31   where their actual eyes are that lets [TS]

01:23:33   them some other pan man hello [TS]

01:23:36   so what I'm saying is Elon Musk and I go [TS]

01:23:39   flying around [TS]

01:23:40   let's say we would we accidentally like [TS]

01:23:44   we went into a wormhole but it was [TS]

01:23:46   accidentally wasn't a wormhole it was [TS]

01:23:47   just a cloud we came around and we [TS]

01:23:50   landed on earth [TS]

01:23:51   banging on the detached look at [TS]

01:23:52   keep an eye on earth and we thought we [TS]

01:23:55   had found another place and we landed in [TS]

01:23:57   cabo san lucas and we got out of the [TS]

01:24:00   spaceship and were like we're on a [TS]

01:24:01   desert planet and look at village and we [TS]

01:24:05   walked over and it was full of sammy [TS]

01:24:08   hagar this place identifies itself as [TS]

01:24:11   Sammy's salty rim [TS]

01:24:13   yeah and they're all they're all eating [TS]

01:24:15   ribs and drinking margaritas and you can [TS]

01:24:19   you sue they just all kind of like [TS]

01:24:22   people who are cooking shows people who [TS]

01:24:24   are on in briefly in van Halen and will [TS]

01:24:28   Rachel Ray rachael ray she's a pan [TS]

01:24:31   pushing her talk her voice does not [TS]

01:24:34   sound like you would expect in fact now [TS]

01:24:36   that I think about it every single [TS]

01:24:37   member Van Halen as a pan person every [TS]

01:24:42   single one every member of the Scorpions [TS]

01:24:46   is a pan person this is starting to get [TS]

01:24:49   fucking creepy and you better be fucking [TS]

01:24:51   ready to rock and roll [TS]

01:24:52   no wonder I feel like one of the grains [TS]

01:24:54   I wish I could I wish I had not seen [TS]

01:24:56   this I want to I want to unsee this now [TS]

01:24:57   I want to get back to just wishing i had [TS]

01:24:59   money because now this is the thing is [TS]

01:25:01   it used to be something you get this [TS]

01:25:02   vague feelings where you know there's [TS]

01:25:04   something there but you don't have the [TS]

01:25:05   time and inclination to put it together [TS]

01:25:06   now I can do this this is a chart on the [TS]

01:25:09   wall for me now [TS]

01:25:10   that's right what I'm saying if Ilan [TS]

01:25:11   muscular landed on this planet and and [TS]

01:25:13   landed on the wrong side of cabo san [TS]

01:25:15   lucas we might take off again and nuke [TS]

01:25:18   the place feeling like we can't let this [TS]

01:25:21   virus spread right but in fact it's it's [TS]

01:25:24   like half the population of the human [TS]

01:25:26   beings would you have a prime directive [TS]

01:25:29   with that with Captain lon [TS]

01:25:31   would you uh you know it's got a lot of [TS]

01:25:33   his own opinions I'm sure I would have [TS]

01:25:34   to negotiate something with him only [TS]

01:25:37   have one captain of the ship John [TS]

01:25:39   yeah and I mean I would have to have to [TS]

01:25:42   guess that he he's not gonna be my [TS]

01:25:44   scotty but it would be one of those [TS]

01:25:45   things where he would you know he'd [TS]

01:25:47   start off as the spot character thinking [TS]

01:25:49   he was the commander of the enterprise [TS]

01:25:51   and then they would realize that I was [TS]

01:25:53   the that I was the board commander and [TS]

01:25:56   that he would eventually become my first [TS]

01:25:58   officer I think a good manager knows [TS]

01:26:00   what theyre not good at yeah yeah and [TS]

01:26:02   you know you can use logic you can look [TS]

01:26:04   for you can look to open markets but a [TS]

01:26:07   certain point you're going to need a guy [TS]

01:26:08   that's willing to make the hard choices [TS]

01:26:09   that does not believe in no-win [TS]

01:26:10   scenarios and that's me [TS]

01:26:13   kobayashi room and then 10 men 10 men [TS]

01:26:19   everywhere there but they're not every [TS]

01:26:21   it's like ten percent of ten percent of [TS]

01:26:23   the people all you should remember you [TS]

01:26:25   should go to our mall buddy one hundred [TS]

01:26:27   percent of Van Halen but ten percent of [TS]

01:26:30   like the pan mane vacant people [TS]

01:26:34   uh-huh you think plr plr he seems like [TS]

01:26:38   he's a pan [TS]

01:26:40   sure yeah they are definitely rough [TS]

01:26:43   actually has clothing meet you think [TS]

01:26:46   Neymar name a rock musician like a [TS]

01:26:50   definitely all of aerosmith can men and [TS]

01:26:54   men know the Eagles look Pat men tons of [TS]

01:27:00   them but pan men that have adopted some [TS]

01:27:02   kind of sad like like this and you know [TS]

01:27:05   who else is a is sad pad man he better [TS]

01:27:07   be better sad man [TS]

01:27:10   yeah haha [TS]

01:27:15   I gotta go and take a situation [TS]