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0:00:03the incomparable number 184 Marge 2014

0:00:11welcome back everybody the incomparable

0:00:12podcast I'm your host Jason smell we're

0:00:14here to talk about not video games not

0:00:18console games not card games probably

0:00:21unless they also have a board we're

0:00:23going to be talking about board games

0:00:24that's right that's right spin your

0:00:26little spinner get out you're hungry

0:00:27hungry hippos that I don't even sure

0:00:29that counts as a board game and join us

0:00:32as we take this trip through great games

0:00:35of perhaps our childhood perhaps today

0:00:37games you can play on a rainy day games

0:00:41you can play on a sunny day if you don't

0:00:42like the Sun and want to stay inside or

0:00:44plan on the table that's outside

0:00:46I don't know games board games that's

0:00:48what we're talking about if you didn't

0:00:50get my drift

0:00:51let me introduce the people who are

0:00:52going to be talking about board games

0:00:53with me Monty actually is here hi Monty

0:00:56hi Jason board games great for games are

0:00:59fun having kids has given me a whole new

0:01:02appreciation for board games because we

0:01:05played that with the kids

0:01:06Erica and sign is also here hello hello

0:01:09the game is on amazon and it's

0:01:12controlled by a spinner that is a little

0:01:15piece of plastic arrow on a piece of

0:01:17cardboard but it's still a game is still

0:01:18on David Laura also here hi david liu

0:01:22i'll i'll take Paul Lynde to block in

0:01:27the Hollywood Squares board game you can

0:01:28do that

0:01:29that is right there a Hollywood Squares

0:01:30board game at the bar was I bet there

0:01:32was you got to take it home for losing

0:01:34the set the home game yeah that's true

0:01:36that's true good point body you have to

0:01:39make your own smarmy jokes of course

0:01:41yeah your celebrities were just pieces

0:01:42of cardboard but you know baseball

0:01:45that's that's the real thing but anyway

0:01:47Tony sindelar also here hi Tony

0:01:50hi jason i'm looking forward to talking

0:01:52exclusively about fizzbin it is a

0:01:56thursday night so that is worth double

0:02:00yeah neither will i have at least a half

0:02:02business has been more of a card game

0:02:04isn't it it is played on a board on the

0:02:07board

0:02:07well that's true right it is a very

0:02:08confusing game good thanks

0:02:10alright finer points of his been coming

0:02:12up later on this podcast and Dan Morgan

0:02:15who I've left to last because i do that

0:02:19with dan hi dan I it's good to be here i

0:02:21thought this was more of a

0:02:23watch at night but I don't know I can

0:02:25the night is young Gator the night is

0:02:27young it could be we could get there as

0:02:30always I approving this in past podcast

0:02:33one could discuss a topic like normal

0:02:36people and just say hey what about that

0:02:38what about this is not interesting

0:02:41I find it more intriguing to treat life

0:02:44as a series of fantasy drafts that is my

0:02:48cross to bear but uh it's my podcast so

0:02:52Monty Ashley what would you like to pick

0:02:55with the first pick in the board game

0:02:57draft i'm going to go with the game that

0:03:01i have studied trivial pursuit

0:03:05oh man that's on my list specific

0:03:09bringing those reactions didn't happen

0:03:10if it's not a giraffe

0:03:13that's classic ponte a plastic good

0:03:18specifically the original genus edition

0:03:20edition not a genius additional Gina

0:03:23think it's the genius addition you are

0:03:25perhaps a genus but you're not a genius

0:03:29as far as i can tell i once spent an

0:03:31entire summer just reading trivial

0:03:33pursuit cards that's that's that's not a

0:03:38game Monty well no homework how I did DD

0:03:42when I was a kid that's a cry for help

0:03:44its preparation for a game so now if i

0:03:47play the original genus addition there

0:03:50are times when I know the other

0:03:52questions on the card if I hear one

0:03:55question and if anyone out there is

0:03:57actually thinking of playing this

0:03:58version i can give you two tips if it's

0:04:02a sports question and you don't know the

0:04:04answer

0:04:05it's probably lawn tennis and it's not

0:04:08it's Sonja Henie as a Canadian game and

0:04:12they had not squeezed all the Canadian

0:04:14this out of it yet for the first edition

0:04:15so go with lawn tennis or Sonja Henie

0:04:17and you will be set

0:04:18that's sports and leisure yes I had a

0:04:21friend who in college my friend and I

0:04:24would just challenge regularly challenge

0:04:26the rest of the entire dorm floor too

0:04:28trivial pursuit and we never lost so

0:04:31those good times people stop playing me

0:04:33after I started playing for money

0:04:35they're all cowards that happened yeah

0:04:37that that I had a similar experience

0:04:39with Star Wars developers you where

0:04:41people stop playing with me after I

0:04:43wanted two turns

0:04:44well oh yeah I actually own eye on 10

0:04:48different versions of trivial pursuit

0:04:49and actually when I moved in with my

0:04:51spouse will be 12 nice Canadian see so

0:04:55they're back to the roots of Tremont

0:04:57yeah because i have i have the american

0:04:59version of genius one and he has the

0:05:01canadian version of this one which

0:05:03actually has even more Canadian

0:05:04questions in it than the US version

0:05:06there's that much trivia about Canada

0:05:09you wouldn't think so which is what it's

0:05:12all about sctv hockey

0:05:15it's like it's another country or

0:05:16something yes stuff like that i wrote

0:05:18the genius of that genus of Trivial

0:05:21Pursuit is that is combining it is

0:05:25making a board game because you could do

0:05:27a trivia you know book or something but

0:05:31by making it the brightly colored

0:05:33circles with the little pieces of pie

0:05:34that you get when you when you when you

0:05:36answer a question right and and having

0:05:38that board element

0:05:40I is for people who were not who do not

0:05:42live through I mean the eighties it was

0:05:45just a revolution when this thing came

0:05:46out it was just everybody had this game

0:05:49it was the game to have I feel like we

0:05:51should do a podcast where we played

0:05:53genus one just because of how

0:05:55hilariously bad and out-of-date

0:05:57out-of-date the answer so yeah my god

0:06:00don't ever used to go to a brunch place

0:06:02where they have trivial pursuit cards

0:06:04and like the thing that we probably

0:06:05should have had like salt and pepper

0:06:06packets or something like that and they

0:06:08were clearly all from the eighties so

0:06:10there was that added dimension of

0:06:11trivial pursuit but trying to guess what

0:06:14you know what the answer to that would

0:06:16have been around 90 countries still

0:06:19exist at that point you know yeah sorry

0:06:22the answer is East Germany Yugoslavia my

0:06:26roommates and I used to trivial pursuit

0:06:29wasn't interesting enough so since i had

0:06:31so many versions we would add another

0:06:32dimension so you'd go around the table

0:06:34you land on some color and then you

0:06:37would roll a die to see which version of

0:06:39the game you would get a question from

0:06:40love that it was so fun and yeah every

0:06:44time you get genus one you'd be like oh

0:06:46man now I have to take extra hard it was

0:06:48the answer in 1987 yep or you could get

0:06:51it let end up on like the DVD

0:06:53pop-culture version which was just like

0:06:55the answers usually Britney Spears they

0:06:57got takeout so much worse and worse as

0:06:59they went along to our terminal at was

0:07:01like genius for might have been like

0:07:02right on the edge of like the last one

0:07:05that wasn't just like trashy terrible

0:07:08knowledge and then they'll change all

0:07:09the categories and got dumb it was dumb

0:07:12yeah and then for some reason after five

0:07:14they stopped even being genus just six

0:07:16is version 6 spurt genus 12345 version 6

0:07:21y trivia anybody used to be i I'd like

0:07:24to announce by the way our brand new

0:07:25podcast that we're starting here that we

0:07:27ever we were just going to play Trivial

0:07:29Pursuit on the internet but I am so into

0:07:31that

0:07:32listen Jason have you like it I don't

0:07:34like you joke about things I used to

0:07:36have a book about trivial pursuit and it

0:07:38could include strategy tips when whoa

0:07:41know a lot of things

0:07:43yeah well no you have to understand that

0:07:45being in one of the squares between the

0:07:48two roll again spaces is better than

0:07:50being in the in the spot between the

0:07:52role again and the wedge spot because if

0:07:56you're between the two roll again that

0:07:57anything you alway they give you a role

0:07:59again or a wedge spot

0:08:01whereas if you're in a spot between the

0:08:03rolling in the wet spot to will only get

0:08:06you to a regular question

0:08:08incidentally trailed pursuit falls in

0:08:09the same category as monopoly with games

0:08:12that when you play them with like your

0:08:13parents they eventually like give up and

0:08:16let you win because it just goes on for

0:08:17hours otherwise unless you're playing

0:08:20with my dad who wins almost immediately

0:08:22every time I haven't played with your

0:08:23dad but I you know I think I see what my

0:08:26parents were both librarians and my mom

0:08:28was a reference librarian so I lost a

0:08:30lot until the questions started adapting

0:08:32more to my age I could do a whole

0:08:35podcast about games i won't play because

0:08:37other people in my family were too good

0:08:38at them

0:08:39i'm looking at you scrabble also chest

0:08:44yeah yeah I guess you know those are

0:08:47those are board games i wonder if

0:08:48somebody will pick chess or checkers or

0:08:50or another that would be outside the box

0:08:53kind of this is what I'm saying that our

0:08:55game box Monty that was a great pic

0:08:57painting of the first pick in the draft

0:09:00cheers yeah Erica it's your turn next

0:09:04well that was going to be my first pixel

0:09:06advance i'm going to go with my other

0:09:08favorite game of all time and that would

0:09:11be careers which I some of you may not

0:09:14be familiar with the game that i grew up

0:09:16with the version that I grew up playing

0:09:17was actually from I think 1958 it was my

0:09:21parents for game but there have been

0:09:22multiple versions since then I actually

0:09:25for a while went on a thrift shop hunt

0:09:27and have collected a bunch of versions i

0:09:29think i now have like three or four

0:09:30different versions a couple from the

0:09:32seventies the newest one is really dumb

0:09:35as tends to happen with games but the

0:09:37idea with careers is you go around the

0:09:40board and there are different careers

0:09:43that you can career paths that you can

0:09:44choose but you have to be able to meet

0:09:46the entrance requirements some of them

0:09:48require a certain amount of Education

0:09:50which you can earn some of them require

0:09:51a certain amount of money which you can

0:09:53get from landing on spaces and the thing

0:09:56that I like the best about this game is

0:09:57that your goal varies depending on what

0:10:00you choose and nobody else knows what

0:10:02your goal is for the game so the

0:10:04beginning of the game you're trying to

0:10:05you're trying to gain money and fame and

0:10:07happiness and the family happiness or

0:10:09little stars and little hearts very cute

0:10:11so the beginning of the game this has to

0:10:13add up to 60 so you could choose 20 of

0:10:16each you could choose you know sixty

0:10:18thousand dollars or 60 frames or

0:10:21whatever and everybody chooses their own

0:10:23and then they they write it down on this

0:10:24little piece of paper and you you fold

0:10:26over fold it over so the other people

0:10:28can't see what your goal is so the whole

0:10:30time you're playing you're the only one

0:10:32that knows what you're what you're

0:10:34shooting for

0:10:35so you can win without anybody else like

0:10:37realizing you're even getting close

0:10:39it will be fun and I just like the idea

0:10:41that you know i can go to space and be

0:10:43an astronaut or in the old version one

0:10:45of the careers is to go uranium

0:10:47prospecting on a donkey that is that is

0:10:52not a good career but you know it's got

0:10:55a short appetite

0:10:56this is john job isn't just a summer job

0:10:58maybe but not as a career in the

0:11:01seventies i believe they replace that

0:11:03with ecology me original version the

0:11:08original version you could go to see

0:11:10that was one of the best places to earn

0:11:12happiness because you know there was

0:11:13out of of beautiful things if you're a

0:11:15sailor but then that went to later be

0:11:17starvation right i think it may be

0:11:20became teaching or something like that

0:11:22later I it was just a lot of interesting

0:11:25changes which i didn't approve of

0:11:26because I grew up you know uranium

0:11:28prospecting where you could make twenty

0:11:30thousand dollars on one space if you

0:11:31landed right and their cards that were

0:11:33called opportunity knocks cards so that

0:11:35was the first way I'd ever heard that

0:11:37phrase opportunity knocks I thought it

0:11:39was from the game careers for Allah

0:11:41nope wow I've never heard of that game i

0:11:44imagine one of those opportunity knocks

0:11:46card says you win ten thousand dollars

0:11:48unless your new uranium prospector which

0:11:50case I'm cancer and let's go to the

0:11:52hospital instead there's a reason they

0:11:55took that one off

0:11:56I I think that was one in the stack of

0:11:58games that they had it like one of the

0:11:59camp's i went to or something which

0:12:01means it was probably like missing

0:12:02pieces and stuff like that but i have I

0:12:04do have some sort of memory of playing

0:12:06this game is it as a child if you get

0:12:08the thrift shop pick it up because it's

0:12:10just fun and I can always sell itself to

0:12:13you because clearly you're in ya need of

0:12:14more edition

0:12:15yep yep absolutely i will take it off

0:12:17your hands I swear

0:12:18well with those two pics i feel like

0:12:20we're I feel like we have surround

0:12:21ourselves with ringers that Erica and

0:12:23Monty are going to destroy us with their

0:12:25incredible board game knowledge i used

0:12:27to play careers every year with my

0:12:29cousin at a Christmas family reunion we

0:12:32have so I think of careers finally

0:12:35because it reminds me of Christmas and

0:12:37family and I must have played 50 games

0:12:40with my cousin Cindy over the course of

0:12:42four years before we got tired of the

0:12:44game because I want every single one of

0:12:46them

0:12:46wow I stand be nice to play so much that

0:12:48i still remember now there's a there's a

0:12:50space called park bench which was a bad

0:12:53space because that meant that you were

0:12:54out of a job in have enough money to get

0:12:56up the park effects and you had to roll

0:12:597-eleven or doubles to get off the park

0:13:01bench just like in real life

0:13:05that's a great pic that's a great yeah

0:13:07just like in real life that's how

0:13:08careers work how many stars you have Dan

0:13:10a lot of dice let's put it that way

0:13:13fair enough that's that's great i don't

0:13:15think i've ever heard of that game

0:13:16before so that's totally blown me away

0:13:18David lure it's your turn

0:13:22each is no basket

0:13:26I'll get it skip never words thank you

0:13:29for your pic even beyond help go ahead

0:13:32go ahead

0:13:33that's that's right evil laughter the

0:13:34board game know since I think the rest

0:13:38of my list is pretty safe i'm gonna go

0:13:40with the big name right off the bat and

0:13:41go for monopoly up because I don't know

0:13:46anyone who doesn't know it doesn't play

0:13:48it hasn't played it hasn't seen it

0:13:50doesn't have one of you know how many

0:13:51thousand variations of it they have now

0:13:54but I grew up with one of the it wasn't

0:13:59the original set but was like the 1937

0:14:02edition so it was sort of like you know

0:14:04you have to be very careful taking it

0:14:06out and so you know I grew up loving the

0:14:09game and my best friend in high school

0:14:13who end up as the best man at my wedding

0:14:15he and I have had a long tradition this

0:14:18is going on something like 30 years now

0:14:20we're whenever we get together if we

0:14:22have the time we will play what we call

0:14:24killer monopoly which involves staying

0:14:26up all night playing all night till Don

0:14:30sometimes through to the next day I

0:14:33think our longest game ran four days

0:14:35straight

0:14:37that was back when he was in college so

0:14:38it's called Hitler monopoly because at

0:14:40the end you want to murder the person

0:14:42right yeah you just keep going to

0:14:43someone dies

0:14:44pretty much yeah i know you you do start

0:14:46to lose all sense of you know human

0:14:49courtesy by about the 12-hour and so do

0:14:52action off properties that you land on

0:14:54you just have to buy them out writer or

0:14:56passing by

0:14:57oh yeah it is the auctioning and trading

0:15:00and mortgaging and you know we we use

0:15:03all the variation rules the free parking

0:15:07what is your policy on free lands on

0:15:10your spaces in exchange for not being

0:15:12able to pay rent

0:15:13I you know I don't think we ever worried

0:15:16about that is stealing money from the

0:15:18bank cheating or only cheating if you

0:15:20get caught it was no we never did that

0:15:22well I should say I never did that

0:15:25that's why talk it haha but yeah I mean

0:15:33the thing is kind of interesting just

0:15:34protocol flooring for yeah okay I got it

0:15:37with that just really sociological point

0:15:40of view or an economic point of view I

0:15:42don't know it was really weird how you

0:15:44know every few hours the balance would

0:15:46shift you know and the longer you played

0:15:48you know it would seem like one person

0:15:50was gonna win and just dominate and all

0:15:52of a sudden something would happen it

0:15:54would start shifting back and you know

0:15:55of course you both had to have hotels on

0:15:57stuff for that to happen if one person

0:16:00had everything that was it but but and

0:16:03this and this is a theory that I got

0:16:05from my mother and its held true every

0:16:07since I don't worry about boardwalk and

0:16:10Park Place i always buy the yellow

0:16:12properties everybody lands on the yellow

0:16:16I was always felt that way about the

0:16:17greens but either way

0:16:19yes well that that whole quarter is just

0:16:21beautiful

0:16:22so you have the greens are my second

0:16:24choice so it's the blue the yellows and

0:16:26the girl Marvin gardens kind of guys

0:16:27what you're saying that's right that's

0:16:29right and there's there's a wonderful

0:16:32book of short nonfiction pieces by john

0:16:36mcphee where one of them is the history

0:16:40of the board game Monopoly where he

0:16:42contrasts it with the history of

0:16:45Atlantic City and you know any goes and

0:16:47visits the real Ventnor Avenue and

0:16:49around New York you know all that and

0:16:52then balances it against the history of

0:16:54the game and its really interesting well

0:16:56worth reading is I think the book is

0:16:58called table of contents

0:17:00ok monopoly people i was the car what

0:17:03was your let's go around what's your

0:17:05what's your what's your choice David top

0:17:08hat because because fred astaire Tony I

0:17:11think I was the car always do i did not

0:17:12i do not i don't i don't like the

0:17:14message that monopoly city said i was

0:17:16reading it be's oh so but there's a lot

0:17:19more playing with sticks and put it

0:17:21aside explained in that we've got all

0:17:23these are dangerous i just i think they

0:17:25were waiting for the people's republic

0:17:26of monopoly to be released and that

0:17:28never never made it print everything

0:17:31else Bradley everybody gets the same

0:17:32amount of money and then the and the

0:17:34game is so that's where all the

0:17:35properties are handed out the

0:17:37message of monopolies that real estate

0:17:38developers just sometimes go to jail for

0:17:41no reason but you're gonna spend some

0:17:44time just that's just a happy to that's

0:17:47accurate go directly to jail by the way

0:17:51my babysitter growing up and I always

0:17:53played Monopoly and she would do the

0:17:57luxury taxes $75 so it was 50 20 m5 and

0:18:01I could still remember that she would

0:18:03say it every time 50 20 and 25 and then

0:18:05the other things when she would land on

0:18:07the the jail space she would shoot she

0:18:12would say not when she was sent to jail

0:18:13when she will and especially change just

0:18:15visiting yeah I I scared the kids the

0:18:21first couple of times we played monopoly

0:18:23because I would just count out the money

0:18:25without even thinking with that looking

0:18:27huh

0:18:27and you know how many bills beach no

0:18:29just pump obviously know you do that and

0:18:33you might have a problem goods i'm a

0:18:35ringer I damn what was your token i

0:18:38think i also went for the car

0:18:42yeah I think that was the car Monty i

0:18:44really like the car because I felt that

0:18:46it went best with free parking but i

0:18:49have evolved into a shoe man i think

0:18:51that's a pretty shoe man nice

0:18:53interesting

0:18:54Erica what about you I never liked the

0:18:56car I i would change up i was usually

0:18:58either both in both the hat or the iron

0:19:01womanly things no one wishes

0:19:04yes so much careers

0:19:07yeah screw you guys I'm gonna return

0:19:11probably my my son that takes the car so

0:19:16i'm left with whatever the hell is left

0:19:18after he takes the car that got a dog

0:19:20that's not even out yet you know that

0:19:22our scottie dog was myspace you can put

0:19:24them up we can stand up your behavior

0:19:26fell over so easily

0:19:27yeah but you could step but you could

0:19:29stand up it was little with yeah there's

0:19:32a battleship you can intimidate your

0:19:34opponent's little how many cans that

0:19:36iron got true i think we had lost the

0:19:38battleship because we never had that I

0:19:40feel like it came later or something

0:19:42because i feel like i had one but it

0:19:43like wasn't originally in my I don't

0:19:45know yeah i think it may have been one

0:19:47that either was there and gone or just

0:19:49came later because I maybe was

0:19:51and in our set Wow monopoly i'm shocked

0:19:54when third honestly I die that's it's a

0:19:57classic that's a good one

0:19:59thank you David well played anytime hey

0:20:01now go directly to jail its major roll

0:20:06doubles to get out we'll come back to

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0:23:30uh Tony it is your turn hi

0:23:33well i have a list of games they are

0:23:36mainly games probably from the last

0:23:38decade so I'm not too worried about

0:23:39anybody drafting them except maybe dan

0:23:42I've got some of those all i got i got

0:23:44so guess what i'm going to talk about

0:23:45them when you draft and no matter what

0:23:46you do on syracuse road to help well la

0:23:49so i'll just go with something that is

0:23:54not from the last kid i will draft he

0:23:57requests

0:23:57does anyone else anyone for me when I

0:23:59was your night stick love it

0:24:01yeah I I thought about money might have

0:24:03some types and founder of this game so

0:24:05he requests if I love it's going to

0:24:07check from 1980 night I knew it was at

0:24:09least 10 years older than any other game

0:24:11on my list

0:24:11um he request was basically a Dungeons

0:24:14and Dragons ask board game and in fact I

0:24:17have a

0:24:18a little bit of trouble separating in my

0:24:20head how different it was from dnd you

0:24:22didn't get to roll a d20 i know that but

0:24:24your characters were they didn't really

0:24:26have names they would be like dwarf one

0:24:29wizard and barbarian and they moved

0:24:32around kind of a preset up board that a

0:24:35basically a dungeon master would build

0:24:37that had traps and bad guys on it and I

0:24:39think everything was done with little

0:24:40custom v6 which I little dice with a

0:24:43shield and skulls on them but it was

0:24:46basically dnd light repackaged into you

0:24:49know board game format that you could

0:24:50play in the in the early nineties and I

0:24:53played in a bunch you could even if you

0:24:54were that kind of kid make your own

0:24:56adventures like remix in like the maps

0:24:58and the the traps and that various cards

0:25:00they gave you and that was a lot of fun

0:25:03and that was probably something that you

0:25:04know paint a path for a later interest

0:25:06in roleplay games and dungeons and

0:25:09dragons and things like that money it

0:25:10sounds like you would you have memories

0:25:12of here with us some I was more of a

0:25:15talisman guy myself

0:25:17smooth yeah and I had a bad experience

0:25:19with talisman up because i don't have

0:25:21precipitated recently if we tried to

0:25:23play it recently

0:25:24no you can't do that no you have to do

0:25:25it when you're a kid you have eight

0:25:27hours did not age well turns out it does

0:25:29it turns out it's it's like watching the

0:25:31Transformers cartoons now i disagree i

0:25:33still love i still have television i

0:25:35have played it within the past couple

0:25:36years and I haven't finished it but I

0:25:39may have made a mistake we played it

0:25:41with an enthusiastic friend who

0:25:43sometimes makes the mistake of when

0:25:44there's a game with a bunch of

0:25:45expansions for it he will instantly oh

0:25:47yeah the first game with all of the

0:25:49expansions even if that was ill-advised

0:25:52some advice for it was a bad you have to

0:25:54do with talisman all the expansions

0:25:55except college and how haha dragon last

0:25:58one anyway played your request i have

0:26:01some fun memories of it but not enough

0:26:03to go into anecdotal lede so yeah and i

0:26:06think you know he requests had that kind

0:26:07of because you have this kind of the

0:26:10pre-built very simple kind of little

0:26:11dungeons you know it will allow somebody

0:26:13you know a younger kid for example you

0:26:15know I think it was recommended for ages

0:26:1610 and up

0:26:18who wouldn't really be able to say run a

0:26:20DD adventure is about it you know the

0:26:23other children would not hate it kind of

0:26:25package some kind of pattern but what if

0:26:27we took some took some weight off that

0:26:28kids shoulders right maybe ages 10 to 80

0:26:31if you're

0:26:31b5 sorry too old to play

0:26:35ok he requests that's good at the rate

0:26:37we're going we're gonna get through a

0:26:38couple rounds here but let's move on Dan

0:26:40well I was strongly considering a game

0:26:42invented by one of our fellow panelists

0:26:45here Tony in the the version of risk

0:26:49opoly in which every battle in risk is

0:26:51it's always us settled with a game of

0:26:54Monopoly I believe you're only allowed

0:26:56to draft games you have actually played

0:26:58sir I like Trivial Pursuit where you

0:27:02have to roll the die

0:27:03jenna pitcher set except infinitely were

0:27:06infinitely worse is my you know that's

0:27:08my stock-in-trade infidelity your game

0:27:12company Tony infinitely worse games i

0:27:15will go with an oldie which I is a clue

0:27:19specifically the one I like the best

0:27:21which was the master detective variant

0:27:24which is a later version that had a

0:27:26larger had more of everything basically

0:27:28like more suspects more weapons more

0:27:31more mansion and just made it a little

0:27:35bit more fun more interesting and

0:27:37animals you know mentioned that i played

0:27:40clue recently over the summer with my my

0:27:44cousin's kids who are in the 89 and like

0:27:486-7 range and man they have really made

0:27:51clue suck

0:27:53yes there is a they've made it a lot

0:27:55easier because now it like they like you

0:27:57like flip up cards being the gay like

0:27:59everybody can see certain cards so like

0:28:02you deal out by five different cards or

0:28:03something slip those over so everybody

0:28:05can immediately eliminate those which

0:28:07means yes the game of Clue takes less

0:28:09time than it used to but it also doesn't

0:28:11really require quite as much in the way

0:28:12of deductive reasoning and wild guessing

0:28:15really where's the fun in that

0:28:17but I was a fan of mystery fiction and

0:28:19detective stuff and I really liked clue

0:28:21i like the fact there was a little

0:28:22envelope that you keep things in all of

0:28:23the little pieces that have like the

0:28:25whole dagger little rope that kind of

0:28:27stuff and I know it's a it's not the

0:28:29best game in the world but i have fond

0:28:31memories of it and i enjoyed playing it

0:28:33and that's Cluedo for our inter aren't

0:28:36international referred that's right i

0:28:38think is the best game 2 movie

0:28:39adaptation though

0:28:40here could be better than battleship

0:28:44right

0:28:45Oh better than chest the musical

0:28:49Oh to follow Jason's example which piece

0:28:53did you play in clue a professor plum as

0:28:57a colonel mustard yeah myself I was

0:28:59always the Rope am i doing it wrong i

0:29:03always wanna Carly every time I was also

0:29:05Colonel Mustard I i was also professor

0:29:08plum I was the shoe you know these guys

0:29:11seem like really bad detectives if they

0:29:13can't tell the difference somebody who

0:29:14was strangled somebody who was ya shot

0:29:17I mean they're not they're not crime

0:29:19scene investigator ok clue that was on

0:29:23my list to excellent choice tan that's a

0:29:27classic I learned I learned

0:29:29ok here's some I same babysitter who I

0:29:31played Monopoly with as a as a whatever

0:29:35I was five-year-old six-year-old I

0:29:36learned that people that uh you you

0:29:39shouldn't cheat games from clue because

0:29:41my babysitter went to take a phone call

0:29:43and I looked at whodunit who and she

0:29:45refused to play board games with me the

0:29:47entire rest of the time that she was

0:29:49babysitting me that time and that taught

0:29:52that and then I never cheated a clue

0:29:54again only monopoly know my fond

0:29:58memories of clue and yes professor plum

0:30:01gotta be professor plum I'm gonna I'm

0:30:03gonna pick a more recent game because

0:30:05blue monopoly off the board and i'm

0:30:08going to pick a carcass on which is a

0:30:11game this is when my family plays uh

0:30:14it's game it's game night or it's rainy

0:30:16day game weekend my pic when it's my

0:30:20turn to pick is carcass on a game that

0:30:24in which you need a table and then you

0:30:26form your own board by drawing tiles of

0:30:30cities and roads and rivers and fields

0:30:34and and you put them all together and

0:30:37drop your little little wooden guys on

0:30:40them and collect points for having you

0:30:43know having a road or or being in a city

0:30:46or being in the field

0:30:47nice it's really pretty i love that at

0:30:50the end of it you have built a city more

0:30:52or less i think that's kind of

0:30:54eat that you start with nothing and you

0:30:56end with something and strategically

0:30:58it's actually really tricky my kids can

0:31:00pick it up fairly easily but there is a

0:31:02whole other level where you're where

0:31:04you're stealing people cities or you're

0:31:06finding a way into one of the fields

0:31:09where you can really clean up on the

0:31:10number of points and you know I i found

0:31:14out about it because of the ipad game

0:31:17that that came out from what does that

0:31:20was coding monkeys and i can factor I

0:31:23think collaborated on that icon factory

0:31:25to the art and and I loved the ipad game

0:31:29but i love the board game to that it's a

0:31:32and some really great expansions that

0:31:34you can roll in that that either change

0:31:37how the game develops at the start with

0:31:39the river expansion or does things like

0:31:41double the do a double or nothing on

0:31:44some of the some of the the pieces where

0:31:47you have to complete the rotor you get

0:31:48no credits you have to complete the city

0:31:50or you get no credit for any of the

0:31:52pieces that are in the city lots of fun

0:31:54expansions too so I I'm I i love carcass

0:31:58on and I play it whenever my family

0:32:00allows me to

0:32:02that's my choice good one I like making

0:32:04a lot of you been to the city of

0:32:05carcassonne I you know I have not but I

0:32:09almost did I actually when we were in

0:32:11Barcelona we almost took a day trip

0:32:12there and I felt silly silly because the

0:32:16number one reason to go there is because

0:32:17i like the game so much but I almost did

0:32:19it

0:32:19maybe that's basically a giant version

0:32:21of the board game yeah that's what I

0:32:23hear either giant wooden guys standing

0:32:25around outfield Ryan people because i

0:32:27would like to see where their middles

0:32:28uniting the people's its modern art

0:32:31really

0:32:32uh yeah I just you know it's fun and

0:32:35it's and it's smart and every time I

0:32:36played I i learned another little trick

0:32:38about the strategy of it it unfolds

0:32:40which is kinda nice too

0:32:42let's move on Monty it's back to you I

0:32:45played a lot of four games but i'm going

0:32:47to pick the one that I've had the most

0:32:48fun with playing with people whether

0:32:51it's people who don't play games or

0:32:53whether it's you know like style game

0:32:55designer hardcore gamers and that's the

0:32:591977 home game version of family feud

0:33:04it is incredibly fun for

0:33:07one person to be richard Dawson and to

0:33:10divide the group into two groups and

0:33:12actually make people guess the answers

0:33:14to questions like name a famous Stewart

0:33:18and you think well that's easy but the

0:33:23thing is it's the 1977 yes there are

0:33:26only three people listed here and they

0:33:28are Jimmy Stewart rod stewart and

0:33:30stewart granger i would have said Jimmy

0:33:35Stewart first

0:33:36well you got one do you want to play

0:33:38your ass right now you finally hit on a

0:33:44game i've never played well i recommend

0:33:46going on ebay and spending the three

0:33:48bucks it will take but you have to

0:33:54understand that there are right answers

0:33:56because your core of course guessing

0:33:58what people said and what people said

0:34:01was completely random and insane know as

0:34:05another example there's a question name

0:34:07of food you want at least once a week

0:34:08and what are the answers to that one

0:34:13bread meat hamburger steak and then so

0:34:20forth but there's no way of knowing that

0:34:22hamburger and state could be on the list

0:34:24somebody said meet so rather than

0:34:27explain how much fun this game is I'm

0:34:29just going to give you a couple sample

0:34:31questions they dug out of the box just

0:34:32now

0:34:33ok let's do it name a foreign brand of

0:34:37beer heineken includes answers like

0:34:40heineken his number-one Lowenbrau

0:34:43Lowenbrau is number two I don't think

0:34:45anyone's going to get number three which

0:34:47is Stroh's oh wow my goodness i remember

0:34:50strokes but i would not have come up

0:34:52with it also enlist something called

0:34:54tuborg and something called genesee I

0:34:57want Karen I at least I didn't know that

0:35:00was from I thought screws was American

0:35:02huh

0:35:03apparently it was German or something at

0:35:05what it sounds for in David the question

0:35:08name it make car you see telephones in

0:35:11naturally the answers are rolls-royce

0:35:14Cadillac lincoln continental

0:35:16mercedes-benz and Chevrolets

0:35:20who are these people

0:35:24well my theory is that it's just the

0:35:26studio audience for the show so it's 90

0:35:30a group of 1977 tourists that would

0:35:35explain a lot

0:35:36throws all but by the way is an american

0:35:38beer for stripper as Detroit Michigan

0:35:42come on you guys Detroit is really like

0:35:45it's very it's practically candidates

0:35:48but yeah right

0:35:49oh yeah its exotic so exotic so with

0:35:52this strain of having to know the right

0:35:54answer removed when you're faced with a

0:35:56question like name a brand of coffee you

0:35:59get some right away and everybody sits

0:36:01around trying to remember holders hills

0:36:04brothers tasters choice

0:36:06thank thank thank you rim rim yes I am

0:36:09feeling a solicitation room with brim

0:36:11yeah only half a cup don't you like my

0:36:13coffee we've yes we've secretly replaced

0:36:15the coffee the normally service fine

0:36:19restaurant with Folgers crystals Bob

0:36:20never asks for a second cup at home the

0:36:23top answer that was Maxwell House and

0:36:25the bottom answer was a you ban you been

0:36:28yeah oh yeah oh you can't have center

0:36:30without you banned it's especially fun

0:36:32to play with people who work to live in

0:36:331977 because they had no idea no idea

0:36:35yet

0:36:37yeah I got nothing out for their sorry

0:36:39wow amazing this game is tremendously

0:36:42enjoyable

0:36:42alright well $19 Monty your team is

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0:38:16incomparable Erica what's your next pick

0:38:19oh my goodness i have choices choices i

0:38:25think i will i will follow your lead

0:38:27with the carcassonne tile sort of bored

0:38:30building game and choose one of my

0:38:32all-time favorite games to play which is

0:38:34more recent called betrayal at house on

0:38:36the hill was on my list which which

0:38:40which version the original version where

0:38:44the big thick of a stack of Virata yet

0:38:46the back the broken one

0:38:48the battery life and the other broken

0:38:50underground lake that's on the Attic

0:38:52this is not a right from Monty's former

0:38:54employer so recently you were

0:38:57responsible for testing this where you I

0:38:59was not but i will say that you

0:39:01mentioned that there's an underground

0:39:02lake tile that's in the upper that's

0:39:05what I setting ah because i had access

0:39:08to some of the digital files i printed

0:39:10out a sticker that fixed mine so i moved

0:39:14my doubts the bottom with great power

0:39:16comes great responsibility

0:39:18I just remember playing a mission in

0:39:20that game that it was like impossible

0:39:21for us to win or something like we got

0:39:23to like I happy through it and is that a

0:39:26lot yeah that was maybe this cannot be

0:39:27done with it

0:39:28yeah i was in a boardgame Club in

0:39:30college when that was popular and i

0:39:32remember playing it like like every week

0:39:34for like a month and then a number of

0:39:36times where we either where we would

0:39:38like we would be playing for three hours

0:39:40and realize that basically the end is

0:39:43inevitable

0:39:44we are either going to win or lose

0:39:46and we just need to roll dice for

0:39:47another hour came up way too often so

0:39:50Erica explain explain this game to me

0:39:52we've got discovered that there may have

0:39:53been some flaws

0:39:54oh yeah it was certainly I i'm not

0:39:57looking at it through any kind of

0:39:58rose-colored glasses i just i i really

0:40:01enjoyed the the way the game is played

0:40:03because very much like carcassonne you

0:40:05build the the board which is a house as

0:40:08you go

0:40:09the idea is you are a bunch of random

0:40:12people that for some reason have decided

0:40:13to spend the night and investigating

0:40:16this this haunted house and on each turn

0:40:18I like there's a tiny bit of sort of a

0:40:20role-playing elements to it because each

0:40:22character has a certain number of the

0:40:25speed you know that they can go certain

0:40:27number spaces in a turn and there are

0:40:28there's they're so smart ex-member of

0:40:31points for sort of intelligence and and

0:40:32sanity that sort of thing and you

0:40:36explore and and turn over a room tile

0:40:38for each each broom that you walk into

0:40:40and as they mentioned that there is an

0:40:43underground lake which is on the third

0:40:45floor there's a main floor and upstairs

0:40:46and the basement and yeah they were

0:40:49there were a few mistakes but you could

0:40:51you could travel around the house and

0:40:52eventually after a certain number of a

0:40:55of events happen there are some cards

0:40:58that you turn up and spooky scary things

0:40:59it's very fun to we used to put on a

0:41:01midnight syndicate cds while we were

0:41:04playing this game that's a really spooky

0:41:05spooky band that does like just sort of

0:41:08ambient music for like it's creepy

0:41:12vampire type stuff and you read the

0:41:15cards and really spooky voice and

0:41:18eventually it becomes clear that one of

0:41:20you is a traitor which nobody knows

0:41:22until it actually happens and then that

0:41:25person has to take this little booklet

0:41:26and go off into another room and figure

0:41:28out what they're supposed to do and then

0:41:29everybody who's left are the good guys

0:41:31and you read the a separate booklet and

0:41:35then it's sort of like everybody against

0:41:37the one traders bad guy and sometimes it

0:41:41doesn't work out very well and it's not

0:41:43always super well balanced but i just i

0:41:45like the idea that it kinda takes a left

0:41:48turn in the middle and it's kind of fun

0:41:49and it's got a lot of good replayability

0:41:51because there are like something like I

0:41:54don't know 30 or 50 different is 50

0:41:56yeah 50 different scenarios that you can

0:41:59go through

0:41:59so there are tons and tons of little

0:42:01tokens and tiles and stuff for rats and

0:42:04bats and zombies and booze and whatever

0:42:07kind of status please don't even put a

0:42:09lot of random things for one thing where

0:42:11you're having to put together a person

0:42:13or something

0:42:15it's the house has organs hintertux

0:42:17trade you

0:42:18I'm i played it too much for a game i

0:42:20don't actually like yeah so according to

0:42:23be the the erotic page for how thrilling

0:42:27house on the hill the way you play is

0:42:29when you get to the levitating lake on

0:42:31the upper floor you get it cut the floor

0:42:34collapses and plunges you down to the

0:42:36lake in the basement and then you play

0:42:38from there but yeah they are having kind

0:42:40of a misprint

0:42:41yeah having a link to the product page

0:42:43it was very helpful when i played have

0:42:46lain a 30 page printout that's layout

0:42:48binder clip that stacked on top of my

0:42:50box

0:42:51Wow out of the floor i can't really push

0:42:54the software update to a board game

0:42:56no I mean it is it's really cool in that

0:42:59each time you play it's gonna be very

0:43:00different

0:43:01unfortunately sometimes it'll be very

0:43:03short sometimes it will be really get

0:43:05along sometimes it'll be broken but I

0:43:07mean it is i think they wanted to make a

0:43:09game that would be very different every

0:43:11time you played it and they did that a

0:43:12lot of atmosphere which I appreciate

0:43:14yes one thing I liked about it was that

0:43:16some of the haunts are easier if you get

0:43:19them earlier in the game and some are

0:43:21easier to get them later in the game so

0:43:24sometimes everything gets messed up and

0:43:26it's impossible but you don't really

0:43:28know until the hot start with your

0:43:30facing zombies or the house is on fire

0:43:32or you are small and you're running away

0:43:35from cats and you have to confront the

0:43:37giant paper airplane yes

0:43:38yeah now another game i've never heard

0:43:41of so good job

0:43:44Erica you're different too and expose me

0:43:46the games I have never even heard of

0:43:47before

0:43:48alright ah David your turn alright

0:43:51here's one that friend got for me years

0:43:56and years ago called poetry slam and

0:44:00it's basically scrabble but with words

0:44:04and the you know it's gotten answers I

0:44:08mean if you've had if you've had a man

0:44:09metric poetry kit same kind of pieces

0:44:12right and your you would get scored

0:44:16points for you know smaller points a

0:44:18smaller words to be low points

0:44:20complicated difficult words would be big

0:44:23points we used to add to the rules

0:44:27because there weren't enough rules that

0:44:29you know if if your sentence or your

0:44:31line was more coherent or more

0:44:33attractive you get a bonus point if it

0:44:35was nonsense but you didn't have a

0:44:37choice either those were all the words

0:44:39you had you didn't get any points but

0:44:41that's a lot of fun and it would be fun

0:44:44to Train make sense of all the poems and

0:44:47sentences on the board by the end of the

0:44:48game and so you know it's it's a fun fun

0:44:53way to come up with random stuff so

0:44:55magnetic poetry the board game basically

0:44:58basically that's another one I've never

0:45:01played or even heard of in this case

0:45:04yeah I don't know if they even still

0:45:05make it anymore but it's it's a lot of

0:45:07fun it's well worth grabbing especially

0:45:09if you like scrambled sort of squeeze a

0:45:12little more difficult than scrabble

0:45:13obviously wow yeah it's on

0:45:16i'm looking at the page on boardgamegeek

0:45:17right now it's real

0:45:19he didn't imagine people it's I can take

0:45:22a picture of it with myself and a

0:45:23newspaper from today you haven't tasted

0:45:27it yet

0:45:28what introduce ya newspaper way to make

0:45:31mines anymore

0:45:33my degree is sometimes a half my ipad

0:45:36with a website of the x 3000 really

0:45:39impossible to fit much better much

0:45:42better your photos impossible with a

0:45:44hostage-taking order you something right

0:45:46buddy

0:45:47your turn okay i'm going to draft race

0:45:51for the galaxy

0:45:52ok that's because it's a great game who

0:45:55else's place for the galaxy

0:45:56I haven't played it but i do know of it

0:45:58just can I played against you

0:46:00many many times you call that playing

0:46:03dan and I played a lot of race for the

0:46:08galaxy race for galaxy is a card or

0:46:12board game that is delightful it is a

0:46:15game in which you are building a

0:46:17galactic empire it is not it it's not as

0:46:22interactive again

0:46:23as other games that i like your kind of

0:46:24building a little Empire for yourself

0:46:25and pulling cards and using cards to buy

0:46:27other cards and build this little empire

0:46:29in front of you it's actually kind of if

0:46:31you have ever played the game

0:46:32Porto Rico which is a game where you

0:46:34hang on these so apparently the the

0:46:36stories that race for the galaxy wasn't

0:46:38that came kind of out of a game design

0:46:40challenge in which the idea was to take

0:46:42the get the board game puerto rico and

0:46:44turn it into a card game and that is

0:46:46somewhat what they've done

0:46:47you get to choose a kind of a special

0:46:49power each turn and those can rotate and

0:46:51there's turning things into either

0:46:54victory points or into goods that you

0:46:56can use to convert into stuff on it is

0:46:59not the easiest game to learn how to

0:47:01play it is very popular in there at this

0:47:03point I think 45 expansions for it on

0:47:06which add to the complexity of it but it

0:47:09does take a while to ramp up to it i

0:47:11have taught many people have to play it

0:47:12and it's a game that takes like a good

0:47:14five or six times before people get it

0:47:15but i have frequently heard people refer

0:47:17to it as a nerd poker because people

0:47:20really enjoy playing it and being able

0:47:23to chat while playing it once that kind

0:47:24of mastered it

0:47:25it does kind of suffer in that it's not

0:47:26a very interactive game right like

0:47:28you're not trading goods with other

0:47:30people or affecting other people which

0:47:32is kind of one of my critiques of a lot

0:47:34of the kind of older style board games

0:47:36where it's like you know you're rolling

0:47:37dice and moving a little thing around

0:47:38bored and you're not actually

0:47:39interacting with other people in the

0:47:42game space some of us like that so I

0:47:44like protective plus i do like that

0:47:47because it i refer to that game as being

0:47:49its competitive without being

0:47:51antagonistic yes which is to say you're

0:47:53not

0:47:54yeah you're not trying to be like you

0:47:55can't grieve somebody in racing around

0:47:57see which I think also having played

0:47:59with Tony and some of our other friends

0:48:01I think that's a good thing i'm coming

0:48:04for you and i and i would put race for

0:48:06the galaxy in this lake

0:48:08probably my grouping of like five games

0:48:11that I played hundreds of times to the

0:48:13point that like I would get sick of it

0:48:14and then take a couple weeks off for

0:48:16months off and then come back to it

0:48:18there were times where like you know you

0:48:20go away for a weekend and I would just

0:48:22play dozens of games in a weekend with

0:48:24people i will never forget their the

0:48:26time again and I were sitting in my use

0:48:29the word crappy but let's say shabby

0:48:30apartment in the summer with no

0:48:33air-conditioning and we just played I

0:48:35think then we played race ago

0:48:36see from like noon until like like in

0:48:38three and thirty in the morning or

0:48:40something yeah something like that was

0:48:41and we just have playing at speed you

0:48:43can play in a game in about half an hour

0:48:45and just finishing be like one more game

0:48:47for Game well and it had it hits that

0:48:50kind of that thing that it because of

0:48:52the strategy that's in it that like I

0:48:53feel like a lot of video games kind of

0:48:55kind of catch you where you can like you

0:48:57want to try you want to get a little bit

0:48:58better each time right all right you

0:49:00know there is an element but of kind of

0:49:02both competing with yourself as well as

0:49:04the other players because you can't

0:49:05really interact with them which is kind

0:49:07of neat so you are kind of playing

0:49:09against yourself trying to see how many

0:49:10points you can get there are several

0:49:12different strategies that people try to

0:49:13use and that you know people leaving so

0:49:15you know and some of those are kind of

0:49:17pic for you at the beginning you get

0:49:18assigned I homeworld the start of the

0:49:20game randomly and you know the home

0:49:22world gives you a slight edge toward a

0:49:23variety of different strategies so

0:49:24there's like you might get a strategy to

0:49:26homeworld that starting with a little

0:49:28bit of military power and you decide I'm

0:49:29gonna go military or I'm not going to go

0:49:31military and I i like that because it's

0:49:35kind of like games where you can kind of

0:49:37try practice it and hope that you're

0:49:39getting better and better and you know

0:49:41theoretically could never get bored of

0:49:43it but it right

0:49:44what's nice is extremely tactical game 2

0:49:46which is that if there are many

0:49:48different valid paths to winning and it

0:49:52really does depend on how you're playing

0:49:54it and also i like the tactical part

0:49:56that it's you know your best move is the

0:49:59move that you can like make right now

0:50:00right like you gotta look about what is

0:50:02my options right now I gotta do the best

0:50:03thing for me right now as opposed to

0:50:05like if you try to plan out like eight

0:50:07moves ahead and you don't get the cards

0:50:09that you want you know that that's a

0:50:11waste

0:50:11so you go to raise my galaxy with the

0:50:13cards you have not the cards you need

0:50:14and so I don't know it always hit that

0:50:17kind of strategy spot for me probably in

0:50:20a way that maybe poker or chested for

0:50:22other people I used to play a lot of

0:50:24chest like and in junior high and was

0:50:26never was always rubbish at it

0:50:27I've never really gotten into poker but

0:50:30that idea of kind of trying to get a

0:50:31little bit better each time and and kind

0:50:33of it is one of those good games where

0:50:36you know i think you could probably

0:50:38never completely master it so that

0:50:39there's always there's an interesting

0:50:41element of that and there is if you do

0:50:44not like other humans

0:50:45there's probably there's a version you

0:50:46can play on your computer we can beat

0:50:49the AI

0:50:50k is pretty good and you can just you

0:50:52can play those games in like eight

0:50:53minutes because you're not waiting for

0:50:54other humans

0:50:55I don't know if I recommend that but if

0:50:57you do not like other people check that

0:50:59out and don't talk to me all right

0:51:01I it does sound good however my favorite

0:51:04part of puerto rico is a little wooden

0:51:05barrels so i assume these are time and

0:51:07no wooden barrels that makes me sad

0:51:09there I mean I i enjoyed puerto rico i

0:51:11played a lot of that before racing

0:51:13galaxy there are some of the automatic

0:51:15elements of puerto rico that I could

0:51:16never not be uncomfortable about so fair

0:51:19enough water rico is a game in which

0:51:21unpaid workers come to help you make

0:51:24good at your plantation but a little

0:51:27Harold's from far away and they're so

0:51:30eager to finish two more people come

0:51:32every day to work for free on my

0:51:33plantation yeah I makes them so there's

0:51:35that on one hand on the other hand you

0:51:38get to say indigo so like you've got a

0:51:40mouth looks that out

0:51:41dad it's your turn well I'm gonna pick a

0:51:43slightly similar game in that i find it

0:51:45falls in that same sort of competitive

0:51:46without being antagonistic slot and this

0:51:49is I probably my favorite game recent

0:51:51years i bought it for multiple people

0:51:52and that is seven wonders

0:51:54I'm anybody else has ladies at night

0:51:57there's not yet i mean i know tony has

0:52:00but it's it is a really fun game where

0:52:02it takes place in its the seven wonders

0:52:04of the ancient world each of you get one

0:52:06of the wonders game on a card game but

0:52:10it has boards as a board you have a

0:52:11board in front of you you have an

0:52:13individual bored with your wonder on it

0:52:15and you basically it's played in three

0:52:17ages and in each age you have your Delta

0:52:21a certain number of cards that are

0:52:22things that you can build like resources

0:52:24you know like wood piles are you know

0:52:27brick places you can actually get break

0:52:29from or rock or what have you and then

0:52:32make things get more complicated your

0:52:33building like forums and the Senate's

0:52:36and there's all these different types of

0:52:38cards the science cards we're building

0:52:40like achievements and learning and and

0:52:43things where you're building like

0:52:43statues or or monuments or things

0:52:46rebuilding commercial things and you

0:52:48sort of go around and build your tableau

0:52:50and you're competing with the people you

0:52:53know to try and build acquire the most

0:52:54points have your tab will be worth the

0:52:56most at the end of the game and you do

0:52:58there is some interaction because you

0:52:59can trade as in something like sellers

0:53:01Don you can trade resources with the

0:53:03people

0:53:03on either side of you but since it plays

0:53:05up to seven people that are oftentimes

0:53:07people who are like across the table

0:53:09from you that you are basically will

0:53:10never interact with but it's super fun

0:53:14it takes you know like it's not too

0:53:17steep of a learning curve i find that

0:53:19the first game takes about an hour and

0:53:21then subsequent games you can play in

0:53:22about half an hour

0:53:23there's a really cool mechanic with

0:53:24where your hand you're dealt the

0:53:27beginning the game basically gets passed

0:53:29around to every player so you pick a

0:53:31card and then you pass the remaining

0:53:33cards to the player on your right or

0:53:34left and basically it goes all the way

0:53:36around so it's another one of these

0:53:38games that require sort of like alright

0:53:39these are these cards what's the best

0:53:41card i can pick right now because I

0:53:43might not have another chance at this

0:53:46set of cards and it's it's really

0:53:48beautiful game it's with great art you

0:53:51know well designed and I haven't really

0:53:53met anybody who doesn't seem to enjoy it

0:53:55so i bought it for my cousins for a

0:53:59couple friends it's it's super fun and

0:54:02it's hard to find games that place seven

0:54:03people

0:54:04yeah it is it's a good one for the egg i

0:54:06think it's it's it's in that nice spot

0:54:08of having enough complexity but also

0:54:10being something that you can introduce

0:54:12other people too i used to play board

0:54:14games with people of my work over lunch

0:54:16and it was always like hard to find a

0:54:18game that you could definitely play in

0:54:19an hour and that you could definitely

0:54:21play in an hour and teach somebody would

0:54:23not played it before and seven wonders

0:54:25fits like perfectly into that it's a

0:54:27really great i'd say of all the games

0:54:28we've kind of talked about today if

0:54:30there's one that like you want to go out

0:54:32and buy and play for the first time

0:54:34without you know knowing how to play

0:54:36ahead of time seven wonders to be a

0:54:37great one to start with my old work

0:54:40nobody ever worried about that

0:54:41so every mail room was full of wargames

0:54:44tucked in the corner with note saying

0:54:46please do not move any of these armies

0:54:48right I my turn

0:54:52I'm gonna pick a game so my plan playing

0:54:55board games with my kids is a challenge

0:54:57because when you lose it can be

0:55:01upsetting if you're really into the game

0:55:03I don't know if you remember being a kid

0:55:04and having that moment of like you know

0:55:06it's not that great to lose a game and

0:55:10so we my wife and I went on a whole

0:55:16quest to come up with some games that we

0:55:19could play that would not upset my son

0:55:20because if you didn't win he would be

0:55:24upset

0:55:25let the Wookiee win that was one thing

0:55:26we could do otherwise we had to find a

0:55:28game that was cooperative and we ended

0:55:30up finding one that he loves to this day

0:55:33several years later and it's castle

0:55:36panic i don't know if you guys have I

0:55:39have played it played this game he

0:55:41basically you have a castle in the

0:55:43center of the map and every turn its

0:55:46cool completely cooperative game every

0:55:49turn monsters appear in the forest and

0:55:52move toward your castle and the game

0:55:55ends when you kill all the monsters and

0:55:57there's a big bag full of monster tiles

0:55:59or the monsters knock down all the walls

0:56:02of your castle and I think there are six

0:56:03different walls that they can they can

0:56:06hit and then you then you lose and when

0:56:09you lose everybody loses and if you win

0:56:11then the person who kills the most

0:56:12monsters is the master Slayer but really

0:56:14it is a cooperative game and it's got

0:56:17some expansion packs that up the

0:56:19difficulty level a little bit because

0:56:20after you played a little while you can

0:56:22get pretty good unless you really have

0:56:24bad luck with the drawing of the

0:56:25monsters you can get pretty good at

0:56:27killing the monsters and and the way the

0:56:29play works as you get cards that are

0:56:31basically often stew attack various

0:56:36monsters in various places on the board

0:56:38and you can trade one card with with

0:56:42other players on the board so you're

0:56:44trying to work the problem together and

0:56:47then you kill the monsters and take

0:56:48their tokens and then when that's all

0:56:50done you move the monsters and they get

0:56:52closer and they move around and they do

0:56:54and occasionally giant boulders roll

0:56:56through and slam into the walls of your

0:56:57castle and things like that but it's a

0:57:00lot of fun and there's no either

0:57:02everybody loses in which case there's no

0:57:04gloating winner it right it's just like

0:57:07a shock the monsters one or everybody

0:57:09wins and I really like that and it feels

0:57:14actually a little bit like a video game

0:57:15reminds me of space invaders in a way in

0:57:17the relentless way that the waves of

0:57:19they just keep coming and they come

0:57:21closer and closer and closer until they

0:57:23destroy you but it it has been really

0:57:26successful with my kids because it is

0:57:29cooperative

0:57:30and yet and they can grasp the the

0:57:33strategy of how to knock these monsters

0:57:36off and yeah the monsters have different

0:57:37illustrations on their card so they're

0:57:38kind of interesting it's like oh that

0:57:40guy's really ugly and all that but in

0:57:41the end it's a great like teamwork board

0:57:44game so castle panic i like it a lot

0:57:46you should play it play it with kids

0:57:48they like it

0:57:50you know for kids yeah that's a good one

0:57:54so shout-out to my local game store who

0:57:56recommended that one to us because they

0:57:58got it right

0:57:59support your local game store okay hey

0:58:02you know what game we haven't mentioned

0:58:03in this entire episode of the

0:58:04incomparable so far

0:58:06cards against humanity the reason is

0:58:09this episode is brought to you by cards

0:58:11against humanity

0:58:13now they asked us not to say anything

0:58:15about their game because they said they

0:58:16just didn't want to waste your time so

0:58:18they say enjoy the podcast

0:58:21thank you two cards against humanity I'm

0:58:23just gonna slip it in their cards

0:58:24against humanity calm all right back to

0:58:26it

0:58:27let's do a lightning round where we just

0:58:28go around really quickly and name

0:58:30another another round before we before

0:58:32we go I don't want to just do two rounds

0:58:34so Monty what do you have a risk 2210 ad

0:58:37it's like risk but it has new maps it's

0:58:40in the future so you can go to space and

0:58:43there's a turn limit everybody gets five

0:58:45turns at five years and you're done

0:58:47really improves risk

0:58:49oh and their nukes you get the nuclear

0:58:51bomb people wow you are there other

0:58:53crazy risk duty and have you played a

0:58:55crazy

0:58:56yeah i was going to risk agassi yeah

0:58:58that's what I see is not that was on my

0:58:59list

0:59:00not as much fun game per game as risk

0:59:022210 80 which I played a million times

0:59:05cool well just let her i used to work

0:59:07for the company that made it alright

0:59:08more disclosure for my body is connected

0:59:11to many of these games although he takes

0:59:13no credit or blame for betrayal and the

0:59:15house on the hill he tried to fix it but

0:59:20the only fixed is one copy and as I a

0:59:23good enough

0:59:24Erica were value my nexus one of my

0:59:27all-time favorite games

0:59:28arkham horror which is a game based on

0:59:31the American i think you and i may have

0:59:35like opposite idea

0:59:37not happiness and board games I think

0:59:40you might be right

0:59:40well between that betrayal you've got a

0:59:42lot of little yet counters to deal with

0:59:45she loves cardboard hate sanity like it

0:59:48yes yes that is exactly it

0:59:50it's a it's based on the lovecraftian

0:59:52mythos and it's a game that has a

0:59:55million rules takes forever

0:59:57um and almost never gets been

0:59:57um and almost never gets been

1:00:00and I like games like that that's my

1:00:01thing and it's another cooperative game

1:00:05actually which is I love co-op games i

1:00:07prefer that too i don't like games

1:00:10restriping at each other being caught

1:00:11being contentious so yeah I i'll play

1:00:16arkham horror anytime all right David

1:00:18well I you know I got so many hot board

1:00:22games over here

1:00:23I mean even have the have gun will

1:00:24travel board game from 1959 which is

1:00:27actually kind of fun but i'm going to

1:00:30mention a game that isn't even out yet

1:00:32because i really want to play it

1:00:34there's the comic book and graphic novel

1:00:38called kill shakespeare that combines

1:00:41all of Shakespeare's plays into one

1:00:44gigantic world and has different

1:00:47characters in different places teaming

1:00:49up to kill one another and rescue

1:00:52everyone from the evil lady macbeth and

1:00:54all this stuff and now

1:00:56idw who puts out the comic book is

1:00:59putting out a game and they just started

1:01:00a kickstarter for it and it looks really

1:01:03interesting and it looks like it blends

1:01:05a lot of elements from games like catan

1:01:09and maybe risk

1:01:10I don't know I've only seen a little bit

1:01:13of the game but it looks really exciting

1:01:15alright little speculation there you

1:01:17taking up but it's a draft you can take

1:01:19of the Union everyone knows maybe taking

1:01:21a long game here stretch pepper you

1:01:24already have the long game

1:01:25you picked monopoly yeah you got all

1:01:27well David just mentioned it and this is

1:01:31the lightning round so we don't have to

1:01:32talk too much about it but it feels

1:01:33upset to not have specifically called

1:01:35out settlers of catan music you know

1:01:39German board game in which you trade

1:01:40goods you get to say you know I'd like

1:01:42sheep for woman or shoot for grain and

1:01:45so on so I don't know if we need god I

1:01:47hate the robber the robbers sucks don't

1:01:49make the sheep for wool trade don't make

1:01:51the sheep for wool trade ya i don't know

1:01:52i don't know how much I need morning

1:01:54more i need to say about it if you could

1:01:55run about the lighting around I would

1:01:57tell the story about how when i was in

1:01:59college i had too many sodas and

1:02:01interface the wikipedia page for

1:02:02settlers of catan I just want to pay

1:02:04when I was young and irresponsible i was

1:02:06young and irresponsible and I feel bad

1:02:08about that too many also does defense

1:02:10difficult

1:02:11too many sodas and that man can't hold

1:02:14this caffeine telling you know it's i

1:02:17don't know if i can be clear about how

1:02:18boring my childhood and adult and early

1:02:22adult like was and is I think we're

1:02:25getting the picture

1:02:25yeah damn well i will mention since it

1:02:29came up risk legacy which is a really

1:02:32fun twist on risk where the board itself

1:02:34changes as you go along you basically

1:02:37get stickers that go down and so you

1:02:39found cities occasionally bad things

1:02:42happen like entire countries get Newt or

1:02:45there is toxic waste or there's you you

1:02:49get to name continents you get bonuses

1:02:51from these things and like as with

1:02:53Monty's version of risk they I think

1:02:55improve it by making it so that winning

1:02:58the game doesn't require so much you

1:03:01know eliminating every other player from

1:03:03the game which can take forever and if

1:03:06there's a finite number of games that

1:03:08you can actually play which i think is a

1:03:09fascinating concept basically you can

1:03:11play 15 games after that point the world

1:03:14is set you can continue to play but it

1:03:16just doesn't change anymore but the

1:03:17whole idea of a malleable world for

1:03:19boardgames strikes me as just it's it's

1:03:22fascinating and it really especially

1:03:24love the fact that drives one of our

1:03:26friends crazy because you can rip up

1:03:27cards there's also secret pockets

1:03:31oh yes our secret package you open you

1:03:33unlock as the game goes along you you

1:03:35meet certain conditions that require you

1:03:37to open up little envelopes and add new

1:03:39elements to the game crazy stuff and

1:03:41like stickers that go in the rules and

1:03:43there's an envelope that says never open

1:03:45this there is there was as being out and

1:03:47about that when I behind it yeah we had

1:03:49we had an argument

1:03:51someone want to open it surprise is

1:03:54amazing and for my lightning round pick

1:03:58I was gonna I was gonna mention their

1:04:00fuel that will go around and get with

1:04:02what's left but i wanna I'm gonna pick

1:04:04rather than going for another really fun

1:04:06game that we've been playing recently

1:04:08i'm gonna call active on to go back into

1:04:10the old the archive one of my favorites

1:04:12as a kid

1:04:13sorry or as they say that's on my list

1:04:16to as we say in Canada sorry Marie um i

1:04:20love this game it's a year you got a

1:04:22little brightly colored guy

1:04:24and you move them around and you have to

1:04:26get them all the way from the start to

1:04:27the finish around the board and if they

1:04:30land right on the little triangle at the

1:04:31top of the slide they get to slide down

1:04:33a few extra spaces but if you bump

1:04:35somebody off sorry they go back to the

1:04:38start of it and you have to get all four

1:04:39i believe of your little guys all the

1:04:41way around the board and into their

1:04:43little home safely and you don't roll

1:04:46dice you draw I think you dropped cards

1:04:48right yep kindness yeah I i love that

1:04:51game I play that game way way too much

1:04:53as a kid and when I think about board

1:04:55games

1:04:56I think about not just sorry I think

1:04:57about a sari board that was sort of half

1:05:00ripped down the center spine your cousin

1:05:02always take so much

1:05:04yeah there was a design flaw there I

1:05:07mean it wasn't an underground pool on

1:05:09the upper floor but still it was a

1:05:10different design plus it was well-loved

1:05:12and what you know the whole cardboard

1:05:14box was kind of rushed but I loved it

1:05:16and so I'm gonna I'm gonna take take an

1:05:19old-school game and pick sorry

1:05:20there may be nothing more aggravating in

1:05:22the world than your younger sister

1:05:24saying sorry

1:05:26oh yeah this game talk to children about

1:05:28how to be mean and still apologize

1:05:30yeah how to say sorry sarcastically yep

1:05:33that's right that's practically an MBA

1:05:35education before you can right there in

1:05:37one game

1:05:37sorry with an exclamation point that's

1:05:40the best part about it sorry but not

1:05:43really sorry that was the subtitle

1:05:45they're not back to the beginning he's

1:05:49going to go all the way around again and

1:05:50I had the cards have little weird things

1:05:52like some of them had strange things you

1:05:55go backward and it was crazy it was I

1:05:58love that game

1:05:59all right we should get everybody what

1:06:01what else was on people's lists that

1:06:03didn't get chosen in the three rounds of

1:06:04our draft or free agents that there's a

1:06:06list of lightning things yeah yeah now

1:06:08we move we know we're dumping dumping

1:06:10out the list you know how this one's own

1:06:12Iman Monty what else did you have that

1:06:13you didn't want you didn't get to

1:06:14mention i had blood bowl specifically

1:06:17the original roof of blood wow I've ever

1:06:19heard of that but I know today is that

1:06:21sounds terrible I want to go to their

1:06:23attacking workshop football game with

1:06:26elves and orcs and stuff

1:06:28the original version oh my it was a

1:06:31deluxe bored you could have that was all

1:06:33sculpted and that meant that the figures

1:06:35would stand right at any of the squares

1:06:37and I'll

1:06:37loved it there's a video game version

1:06:39now that some people like i have not

1:06:40played I so everything my list if we'd

1:06:44gone long enough I would have picked the

1:06:45Mad Magazine game which was a parody of

1:06:48monopoly and actively unplayable

1:06:51yeah and I'm going to that game got king

1:06:54of Tokyo which is a super fun game

1:06:57yes mostly be so I could say that I

1:07:00played it before it was out in chiba

1:07:03japan with the designer Richard Garfield

1:07:05and one of the sons

1:07:07Wow planning render their me out the

1:07:09game planning a job make that Erica what

1:07:13did you have in your leftovers i had a

1:07:15few from the classic as a kid a category

1:07:18life which i used to love although now I

1:07:20realize that my name is totally effed up

1:07:23it's not a good it's not a good game oh

1:07:25my god it's terrible but it has spinner

1:07:27which became terrible because it

1:07:29wouldn't spend for very long

1:07:30little pigs yep fireball island which

1:07:33was a man is almost pic that i watch the

1:07:36kid that wants the commercial for it

1:07:38today because I wanted to I had that

1:07:40game convince my mother to buy it made

1:07:42her play it with me incessantly it's you

1:07:44know very good it

1:07:46yeah but you don't know that when your

1:07:48little such great design like mousetrap

1:07:50right like that long part is putting the

1:07:52game together and like mousetrap is the

1:07:53next one on my list doesn't matter i'm

1:07:56starting to get an idea of your taste

1:07:58your Erica yeah but then it jumping back

1:08:00into two games sort of slightly more

1:08:03recent ones i just played a game a

1:08:05couple weeks ago for the first time

1:08:06called dixit which is kind of like a

1:08:09cross between apples to apples and

1:08:11balderdash

1:08:12except you're using pictures instead of

1:08:13of words which really really fun because

1:08:17the child love it children's library and

1:08:19loves that game she plays with her kids

1:08:21and it's it's really fun

1:08:22yeah it's one that like I just have to

1:08:23go and get it after playing it I liked

1:08:25it that much

1:08:26there was there are a lot of Lord of the

1:08:28Rings games but there was one particular

1:08:30one that was a co-op game that I quite

1:08:32like that my sister and her boyfriend

1:08:34have so that was a good one

1:08:36we mentioned settlers of catan but I

1:08:38like starfarers of Catan which is a very

1:08:42separate game it's not one of the

1:08:43expansion packs and instead of rolling

1:08:45dice you have giant plastic spaceships

1:08:48with three different colored balls in

1:08:49the middle and you should

1:08:50come up and down and the video game the

1:08:53way that they land tells you how many

1:08:55like tells you where you can go and i

1:08:57got wildly out of print now

1:08:59oh yeah it is it's really expensive well

1:09:01because they're Star Trek Catan you know

1:09:02that they're focusing yeah i like my

1:09:05star fares solar quest which is

1:09:07basically monopoly in space with lasers

1:09:10your landing you're landing on the moons

1:09:13of the the planets of the solar system

1:09:15instead of instead of properties and

1:09:18that helps you learn about learn about

1:09:20the planets as well so you know lasers

1:09:21land on I oh yeah that that's the thing

1:09:24like I one time I was playing and I got

1:09:25taken out on the second term because

1:09:27somebody rolled two sixes and shot me

1:09:29with his lasers and I was dead so those

1:09:31a little sad

1:09:32yeah that I figure that's probably good

1:09:36enough amazing crazy list

1:09:38alright David what do you have left over

1:09:41I've got a game called Kinesis that we

1:09:44picked up at the there's a nice little

1:09:46game store bat 90 miles away

1:09:49it just looked interesting i had no idea

1:09:51what it was and it's one of those where

1:09:53you have to get your piece all the way

1:09:55across the others to the other side of

1:09:57the board but you can only move one

1:09:58space at a time unless you land on quote

1:10:00unquote a stick and then then it kind of

1:10:03works like chutes and ladders for adults

1:10:05it's it's a difficult but fun game

1:10:10I also i mean just going classical of

1:10:13chess i love Parcheesi but my favorite

1:10:17of all those kind of games is pente

1:10:19which i think came out right around

1:10:23sixth grade and we all went nuts for

1:10:26users beautiful as you know it came

1:10:27rolled up in a 2 in your head little

1:10:30translucent gems and so you know you one

1:10:34person had the red gems and one person

1:10:36at the gold gems and you had to put put

1:10:40them at the board was a grid and you put

1:10:44each gym on a

1:10:46a corner of a point where the where the

1:10:49squares would meet and you had to get

1:10:52five in a row but you had you could

1:10:54block the other person and so you can

1:10:56wind up with the board covered in gems

1:10:57and so it was just it was one of those

1:11:00where the aesthetics of the game was

1:11:01over and then we just really enjoyed

1:11:04playing it so alright i miss that one

1:11:07ok Tony what do you have

1:11:10all right i got four so the first one is

1:11:13forbidden island which is another

1:11:14cooperate game yeah I think corporate

1:11:17games are really interesting yeah we

1:11:18haven't we got forbidden desert which is

1:11:20harder and we needed to me that one you

1:11:22have yet to win we lost like five times

1:11:24it makes it hard to doesn't have like a

1:11:26sliding difficulty scale allow that were

1:11:28that were at the easy of scale and we

1:11:31can't beat it

1:11:31so yeah so I don't I think cooperative

1:11:34games are really neat forbidden island

1:11:35and a forbidden desert by the same

1:11:37person who designed pandemic so

1:11:38depending on kind of where you are you

1:11:40might choose one of those depending on

1:11:42you know przemek is a little bit more

1:11:43adult was forbidden island is kind of

1:11:45more kid-friendly yeah um so there's

1:11:47that my next game is a croissant

1:11:51roseburg football app is a very bizarre

1:11:58game to cart her bug is also known as

1:12:02the coach right to the Devil's castle is

1:12:05a German game I have it I the game in

1:12:07German with they have I it was sold

1:12:10internationally somewhere so it has in

1:12:11much smaller text the English

1:12:13instructions on each of the cards i

1:12:15believe they did eventually make an

1:12:17American version of it but I for a while

1:12:18had a weird like imported one that i

1:12:20bought from some guy in Spain over the

1:12:22internet it was very exciting

1:12:23um and it is a game where you are part

1:12:26of different little conspiracies and I

1:12:28guess the premises you're on a coach

1:12:29ride presumably to The Devil's castle

1:12:31and your kind of struggling on the coach

1:12:33for keys or goblets depending on which

1:12:36secret society your part of so it's one

1:12:38of these neat kind of like lying

1:12:40attacking people kind of social card

1:12:42games

1:12:43some people don't like it because

1:12:44there's you can't really do table talk

1:12:46but that was another game that for

1:12:48awhile i played incessantly that is a

1:12:51card game so sorry

1:12:52small world is a really great game where

1:12:56you get to basically kind of pic fantasy

1:12:58races and mix and match them with

1:12:59different

1:13:00power so it has a lot of replayability

1:13:01and has expansions that add to that also

1:13:03has a really excellent ipad app that you

1:13:05can play

1:13:06it's alright yeah dan and I have played

1:13:08that a lot and that's that's probably

1:13:09when you can play with kids as well

1:13:10yes yes we come and the last one on my

1:13:13list is Dominion which is very popular

1:13:16it's a deck-building Game so you start

1:13:18with this kind of grid of cards and you

1:13:20start with basically just money to buy

1:13:21cards that will hopefully get you points

1:13:24and at this point doing is extremely

1:13:26successful is I've lost track of how

1:13:27many expansions that are I think I i

1:13:29only have four of them and there's many

1:13:30many more and there's a whole genre now

1:13:33of deck building games and news not only

1:13:35has dominion fantastic but Dominion

1:13:38itself has so many different stacks of

1:13:41cards in the in the initial box that

1:13:44you're essentially getting variants

1:13:46inside the box which i really like

1:13:48because you know again and you know

1:13:50that's yeah because replayability is yep

1:13:52is something that people really like in

1:13:54a game right there's there's that idea

1:13:55of complexity building skill over time

1:13:57but also that the game will be different

1:13:59as opposed to kind of older old school

1:14:01board games was kind of the same thing

1:14:02over and over again so I think dominions

1:14:04really exciting for that damn thats me

1:14:06then we have several ones i had a mild

1:14:09Scott mentioned for an island pandemic I

1:14:12the other ones i was going to include

1:14:14puerto rico we mentioned but no one

1:14:15picked which I i think it was is a good

1:14:18game racing together me with more

1:14:20oppression

1:14:21yeah wooden barrels and less space as a

1:14:24kid I really wanted to play much more

1:14:27than I ever got a chance to Scotland

1:14:28Yard where you don't know where you can

1:14:31find a copy of that mr. X and you're

1:14:34like running around through through

1:14:36London being pursued by you know police

1:14:39basically and you surface every once

1:14:41awhile but you have to take different

1:14:42types of transportation and ways i

1:14:44always thought it was such a cool

1:14:45concept pandemic kind of uses that for

1:14:48its bioterrorist expansion is very

1:14:49similar games that i can't play anymore

1:14:52with people certain people include the

1:14:54resistance which is very much like a

1:14:57coach on the castle where some of you

1:14:59are spies among resistance cells and you

1:15:02have to identify people who were the

1:15:04spies by sending them on missions and

1:15:06shadows over camelot working or playing

1:15:08members of King Arthur's Court which is

1:15:10very cool somewhat cooperative but there

1:15:12is often a traitor within

1:15:13miss midst but that's a fun game and

1:15:16most recently another game i think that

1:15:20that was created by one of Monty's

1:15:22former employers Lords of Waterdeep

1:15:23which is a dnd themed game worker

1:15:27placement game that is super fun doesn't

1:15:29really matter if you know anything about

1:15:31the indie or not that's mostly kind of

1:15:32the flavor but you basically are

1:15:33collecting adventures sending them on

1:15:35quests to do things and earning points

1:15:37super fun there's great ipad app to the

1:15:40castle ravenloft game plays just like

1:15:42that but is horror D&D themed it's also

1:15:45super fun while the Raven laughs games

1:15:47more than actually like D&D words this

1:15:48is more like a European is more like a

1:15:50griddle or something like that you would

1:15:52call it if your board game nerd a worker

1:15:54place your place while adjusting the

1:15:56location of the glasses on your nose

1:15:58thank goodness what we're not because

1:16:00people that would that's my list

1:16:02terrible wow very nice

1:16:04uh I'm going to mention ticket to ride

1:16:08the the railroad baron the game where

1:16:14you build also one of the nice things

1:16:16about it is like a careers you don't

1:16:19know what the goals are of the other

1:16:22players

1:16:23although if they're really really really

1:16:24trying to get to Miami you may be

1:16:26suspicious that they're trying to

1:16:27connect l8r but that's a lot of fun and

1:16:31the kids the kids love to play that game

1:16:32and there's also a good ipad version of

1:16:34that game i believe and the other two i

1:16:37want to mention our old school because I

1:16:40was going to mention a small world and

1:16:41Dominion to those are great choices that

1:16:44I was not going to mention the coach

1:16:46right to the Devil's castle bells the

1:16:47car driver

1:16:48ya seen faster angry every time every

1:16:52day beautiful language German so sooner

1:16:55assits very i'm just not all the drama

1:16:59happens on the coach right to the

1:17:00Devil's castle then when you get you

1:17:02never find out what happens at the

1:17:03Devil's castle think I guess where the

1:17:06Devil's castle now huge anti-climax its

1:17:09left as an exercise for the reader and

1:17:11for the record it's the couch fart

1:17:13Eiffel spirk ok isn't our ok alright

1:17:16we're going to do it wrong for a long

1:17:18time the couch fucked your toy feliz

1:17:21Burke you're saying it way too slow

1:17:23yeah sorry it occurs right just over

1:17:25there

1:17:26uh the other the other old school games

1:17:31i want to mention darktower I love ya

1:17:34bitch its get the text that's exactly a

1:17:37dark tower with a gay my friend who had

1:17:40this game it was a computerized board

1:17:43game where there was basically this

1:17:45little plastic tower in the center and

1:17:47you push buttons and it made like sounds

1:17:52and display LED that will display a

1:17:54number between 100 and 99 it was really

1:18:00not very good but it was really exciting

1:18:02because it was technology in a board

1:18:05game and that was a big deal in the

1:18:08early eighties and the commercial was

1:18:09narrated by orson welles so you've got

1:18:11this really exciting yeah that's when

1:18:13you went dog towel

1:18:15yeah oh yeah it's sold a lot of water

1:18:17copies of that little plastic thing with

1:18:19the number on this and that would kick

1:18:22I'm just saying but anyway that was that

1:18:24was quite a thing in the day and then

1:18:26the other one i want to mention because

1:18:27I have to because i had this game and it

1:18:30wouldn't be uncomfortable if I didn't

1:18:32mention it yes I had a copy of a board

1:18:35game called the world of micronauts that

1:18:39right there was a micronauts board game

1:18:42i had it had little in at like a little

1:18:44cardboard elevated center sort of like

1:18:46the 3d chess on Star Trek so in addition

1:18:49to the base level you can climb up

1:18:50ladders to a second level and you need

1:18:52to get to the villain who is on the

1:18:54third level and defeat him and that also

1:18:56meant that those those cardboard things

1:18:58got been really easily and then you

1:19:00could never play the game again that

1:19:01like a commercial time for commercial

1:19:03tie and then but even that the it was it

1:19:06was not always came first and then a TV

1:19:08show and then the board games have no

1:19:09it's just a comic no TV show but this is

1:19:11based on the based on the toys not the

1:19:13comic based on always which were my

1:19:15favorite toy

1:19:16so the world micronauts it's out there

1:19:18you can probably get one on ebay for

1:19:19about two bucks but it will the

1:19:21cardboard will be bent and you want

1:19:22people to play it and be really

1:19:24disappointing not that I would know

1:19:25anything about that

1:19:28that's it i think we did it I think we

1:19:31played some board games now some so far

1:19:32next trick we will just have to do

1:19:34trivial pursuit on the Internet

1:19:36w.e what we do or family feud frankly i

1:19:39will move

1:19:40three spaces counterclockwise Jason

1:19:42spoiler that's just called NPR game

1:19:45shows sorry

1:19:46yeah I suppose so i suppose to board

1:19:49games on the internet nobody would

1:19:50listen to board games on the internet

1:19:51that's yeah q700 you know you have to be

1:19:55some kind of butter

1:19:58yeah yeah well this was good this was

1:20:00good i don't know whose idea this even

1:20:02was but whoever it was was a genius or a

1:20:03genus missing any weight

1:20:06what that was me thanks Jason I've

1:20:09always thought my ideas with the best

1:20:11not like those crappy dan ideas like

1:20:13America is quite right

1:20:14you're not a genius you're a genius ya

1:20:17better reference signal you've got it

1:20:19you got it

1:20:20alright i would like to thank my

1:20:22panelists for this this trip into onto

1:20:25that onto that table to play those board

1:20:27games

1:20:28Monty Ashley thank you you pick trivial

1:20:30pursuit family feud from 1977 and risk

1:20:33from 2210 ad thanks for being here glad

1:20:36too i cover a wide range she really do

1:20:39you really do it and I know who to come

1:20:41to for trivia questions about trivia

1:20:45cards and what we're on the cards

1:20:47that's why I know you're that young

1:20:49master Erica and sign I had no idea that

1:20:51you worked at the game store your you

1:20:53are you

1:20:54you're a ringer you it's like not even

1:20:56fair you just you destroyed us with

1:20:58careers betrayal on house on the hill

1:21:01and arkham horror which made Tony there

1:21:04was some great yeah i actually forgot i

1:21:06also had cosmic encounter around my my

1:21:07quicklist which I mismatching soda

1:21:10yeah yeah like some good games guys

1:21:13the games are bad they're just two

1:21:17different its potential sounds like me

1:21:19that is not a mattress thing i've ever

1:21:21heard Tony say I thought he was just

1:21:23gonna say like poorly chosen so that you

1:21:26don't

1:21:27not bad i'm just different and that

1:21:29should be my motto

1:21:31you have to get to know Tony a lot

1:21:33better before he starts insulting you to

1:21:34your face

1:21:35yes like two episodes yeah fair enough

1:21:40David lord thank you for being here

1:21:42monopoly poetry slam which nobody's ever

1:21:44heard of and kill shakespeare which

1:21:46isn't out yet but you got monopoly

1:21:48you're coasting after that really

1:21:49yeah you know I mean once you pick the

1:21:51big one you just gonna go yeah let's

1:21:53talk about / cracky yeah yeah but that's

1:21:56like you gotyou got like you got like

1:21:59park place and then you got like

1:22:00oriental and baltic yeah and then i kept

1:22:04leaning on income tax yeah 5025 that's

1:22:07what you do yeah thanks for being here

1:22:10sure damn more'n thank you sure

1:22:14always a pleasure yeah clue seven

1:22:16wonders risk legacy good choices all did

1:22:22you let alottoni no one else is going to

1:22:25say I like Tony sindelar be the judge of

1:22:27that

1:22:28Tony thank you for being here anytime

1:22:30your request race for the galaxy and

1:22:34settlers of catan doors and what

1:22:39well there's me I don't want to thank

1:22:41myself that would be strange places i

1:22:43did a coloring thanks for driving us all

1:22:45focus on Castle panic and sorry sorry

1:22:49yeah yep and I'm really sorry are you

1:22:52know and so everybody out there

1:22:54listening to the incomparable podcast

1:22:56what I'd like to do is say stay tuned

1:22:57for our next big thing last year was

1:23:00t-shirts this year

1:23:01stay tuned for the incomparable board

1:23:03game which isn't coming anywhere to any

1:23:06for a card game

1:23:08really that's what's gonna be it's a

1:23:10board game where you build car it's a

1:23:12card game where you form a board out of

1:23:14I don't even know but until next time

1:23:17that wraps up this edition of the

1:23:18incomparable podcast thanks to everybody

1:23:20out there for listening and I don't even

1:23:23know what I'm saying anymore goodbye

1:23:27you're gonna go on to thank everyone

1:23:32again where i was i was cotton an

1:23:34infinite loop Monty I had to break out

1:23:36of it

1:23:36hungry hungry hippos hungry hungry

1:23:38hippos I have one final question from

1:23:40the family feud game want to take us out

1:23:45this read their name something the pause

1:23:48is very important when you're being

1:23:49Richard awesome name something you add

1:23:52two scotch

1:23:54there are four answers ice water soda

1:23:58ice water and soda are the top three

1:24:02sherry this tape no cream buoy will just

1:24:06assume you've got three strikes the

1:24:08fourth option according to a hundred

1:24:10crazy people while six crazy people in

1:24:121977 burbank name something you had to

1:24:16Scotch milk haha