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Ep. 80: "I Was the Red Robin"

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0:00:00hi John how's it going good it's going

0:00:18to say why that's funny

0:00:19mm-hmm I thought of course you can

0:00:23yeah i think that we I think that we

0:00:25should reference yesterday multiple

0:00:28times but no no I just died bloop to you

0:00:31on skype as a joke because i was you

0:00:34know I've been remarked about how you

0:00:36can clear your throat at the top of the

0:00:38episode as you say so i think my exact

0:00:40quote was clear throat before we go

0:00:42uh-oh i saved it for you don't want to

0:00:47hear all the little rabbit babies that I

0:00:50was keeping in my chief what's that from

0:00:53this disease came up with that guy you

0:00:57should write songs are good ones you

0:01:00well whichever dinning well it's a good

0:01:02question i thank you i'm still wandering

0:01:06around in a kind of the good carbonless

0:01:08days and I was sitting here at my house

0:01:13and I was just like I don't I don't I

0:01:15can't imagine another meat entree that

0:01:20that is it going to just make me despair

0:01:23like all i want all i wanted spaghetti

0:01:27with cookies on it

0:01:30god I've never thought of that until you

0:01:34just said it and that sounds so good

0:01:36does it's a writ would be a real

0:01:37carbo-load but then I looked in the

0:01:40refrigerator and I realized that I had

0:01:42made a stew a carbonless too and i had

0:01:47also roasted a beef o like a rib roast

0:01:52like a roast I had made a roast beef ooh

0:01:54that sounds delicious

0:01:57it does and it is but I don't have a

0:02:00meat slicer and I realized that at least

0:02:04half of the enjoyment i get out of roast

0:02:06beef is out of the the the thinness of

0:02:10the slices of the beef is

0:02:12is that right now yeah it was it was

0:02:15like a rib roast or what kind of a roast

0:02:17did you make it was a couple of sirloin

0:02:19roast it was like permit no no it was a

0:02:23it was a bit of beef the beef but me to

0:02:26give you the beef idea i'm just trying

0:02:27to figure out which so you like a thin

0:02:29cut you like a traditional roast beef

0:02:31then slice

0:02:32yeah rare rare cook and very thinly

0:02:35sliced and then of course on a on a

0:02:37fresh french roll but i can't have that

0:02:39see that's how they get you

0:02:41yes so delicious yeah so I do i ate the

0:02:44rest of the Stu I'm feelin better

0:02:46I'm feeling less like a like a like

0:02:50diving into a swimming pool size

0:02:52strawberry shortcake

0:02:54I'm just I'm just getting by you know it

0:02:57is not it's not torment at all it's just

0:03:00a constant feeling of being of not

0:03:03knowing what's not not going how to live

0:03:06because if it's because of this this

0:03:10this bizarre simulacrum of a life that

0:03:12you've been living all these years I've

0:03:14been I've been I've been hopping from

0:03:15from shortcake to shortcake like a frog

0:03:19or some afraid to and now now I'm this

0:03:24person who's like I can eat any any meat

0:03:26i want and it's I'm it's all delicious

0:03:28and after after a weekend like meat is

0:03:30the most boring food isn't it see it's

0:03:32just the way it's like having a steady

0:03:33girlfriend I I don't know this is useful

0:03:36at all

0:03:36you've probably already discovered that

0:03:37you might be repeating what you just

0:03:39said that when I was struggling to make

0:03:41the no starchy stuff thing work

0:03:44I discovered that the the worst part was

0:03:47before we eat the actual meat that's

0:03:48what I feel the meat fatigue but if I

0:03:50force myself to eat something protein

0:03:52like you say that the shortcake train

0:03:54desire would abate a little bit goes

0:03:55away and what's funny is you really tell

0:03:57what's in your head

0:03:58I want to go somebody said to me why

0:04:01don't you just take a celery stick and

0:04:03and dip it in a peanut butter jar and I

0:04:06was like well for one I'm not for at the

0:04:08daycare center and 42 and I literally

0:04:12have not eaten nothing like that since

0:04:141973 and I'd and I i cannot think of a

0:04:17thing less appetizing you should be ants

0:04:19on a log

0:04:20you didn't because raisins on let's not

0:04:22let's not talk about nom nom nom nom

0:04:24but uh but yesterday I'm walking around

0:04:26I'm just like celery with peanut butter

0:04:28on it that sounds so delicious like it

0:04:30is it's only taken a week and already I

0:04:32think of vegetables in a different way

0:04:36like oh I get me some vegetables like

0:04:39that will at least the philly up they

0:04:42were long they dress up your dumb dead

0:04:44uh you're dead shoe-leather whatever

0:04:47thing you do is you feel a little fruity

0:04:49they're like I know in my heart that

0:04:51like I really like he say espera goose

0:04:53and I love asparagus I like broccoli i

0:04:56love spinach like sautéed with you know

0:04:59cloves of garlic so good huh

0:05:02but when I think that we're finally

0:05:03doing a cooking implements hi welcome to

0:05:08the non switch on a number of it is I

0:05:11date below

0:05:12here's the thing i know you but you know

0:05:16what super boring but i want but i

0:05:19always say is this is a mistake to see

0:05:20one have things

0:05:21yeah what is that that in my head so I

0:05:24got me and we'll talk more about me

0:05:26because my family is away and I i I've

0:05:27been eating nothing but meat and but i

0:05:30think the missile

0:05:31hmm i should go make some asparagus and

0:05:33I could spike it put a little spritz of

0:05:35lemon on it and I feel like such a fruit

0:05:38when that goes through my head but I

0:05:39think it's delicious and I eat it I

0:05:41friends only thing

0:05:43well it'sit's I absolutely feel you I

0:05:45friend of mine was in town I had not

0:05:49seen him in many many years he and his

0:05:50family live in st. Petersburg Russia and

0:05:53they were passing through seattle and

0:05:55they said we're gonna be here long

0:05:56enough to get dinner let's all meet for

0:05:58dinner and I said well absolutely where

0:06:01should we eat and they were unified in

0:06:04wanting to eat at the Red Robin because

0:06:07really there because they're going back

0:06:09to Russia they're going to be in Russia

0:06:11for another year and red robin was the

0:06:14American style like like a had bonsai

0:06:19hamburger with a pineapple ring on it

0:06:21and a strawberry milkshake sounded like

0:06:23like a-- me know that was their dream

0:06:25right you're not you can get a lot of

0:06:27things in st. Petersburg but i'm

0:06:28guessing you can't get nachos with like

0:06:31strawberry completely probably get a

0:06:33rocket launcher faster than you get a

0:06:35pint

0:06:36berger guessing right right so we all go

0:06:39to we all go to red robin and I you know

0:06:42I used to work at the Red Robin I was

0:06:44the red robin it's not right

0:06:47I ever tell you the story when you have

0:06:50not heard how you became the red robin

0:06:51it was one of my earliest jobs i was 17

0:06:53years old i read that man i was a busboy

0:06:56at the Red Robin in Anchorage and they

0:06:59didn't you know they didn't trust me to

0:07:01be a waiter they didn't think I had the

0:07:03maturity but they but I was running

0:07:06around bussing tables and one day I was

0:07:07in the back storeroom and you know back

0:07:11there behind all the boxes of Dixie Cups

0:07:13hanging on a hook is this you know ical

0:07:17came around the corner and was like oh

0:07:19and here's this life-size red robin

0:07:23costume hanging on a hook like dead

0:07:25lifeless how long have you been there

0:07:27before you realize this

0:07:28well there was a it was like a back

0:07:30storeroom that kind of never got used

0:07:32and I was there I was working there a

0:07:33couple of months you know before I went

0:07:35around and saw this and I was sent into

0:07:37that room you have a key

0:07:39ok sent into it to find something some

0:07:41cash register item and here's this red

0:07:45robin and it looked exactly like hanging

0:07:48on the hook it looked exactly like the

0:07:50alec baldwin chicken face in beetlejuice

0:07:53like you know like it reached in and

0:07:56pull this nose out and and had fingers

0:07:59for eyeballs and I was like startled and

0:08:01scared and though i mentioned it to the

0:08:04manager and he was like oh yeah you know

0:08:06usually well for a long time we had

0:08:08somebody being the red robin but you

0:08:11know you have to be you have to be big

0:08:12and like to dance and blackjack and she

0:08:16was like Hello big like to dance love

0:08:19kids and he was like you want to do that

0:08:21and I think you like I says look at

0:08:23snazzy outfit so I so I run back through

0:08:26the red robin costume on I go out into

0:08:28the light go out into the restaurant and

0:08:30I don't know if you read the studies

0:08:32recently but it has its been discovered

0:08:35by the guy that that provides sports

0:08:37mascots two people to sports teams in

0:08:40America that that's severely autistic

0:08:44people

0:08:45make the absolute best sports mascots

0:08:49look like a dickhead character

0:08:51yeah we have never heard that once

0:08:53they're inside i'm in the end these are

0:08:55people who are who are completely

0:08:57internal like like rainman level of

0:09:00autism they put on the costume and they

0:09:05become incredibly animated incredibly

0:09:08social gifted like like child hugging

0:09:14cartwheel turning Super mask on and then

0:09:20you take the math you take the costume

0:09:22off of them and they go back they they

0:09:23kind of just it's like it's almost a a

0:09:26they received on awakenings kind of

0:09:30situation so it was it was I had a

0:09:33similar experience I put on this costume

0:09:34I walked out into the restaurant where I

0:09:36had been working at toiling as a as a

0:09:38busboy love the lowest guy on the totem

0:09:41pole and suddenly I was the red robin

0:09:45and everyone in the restaurant wanted me

0:09:47to come over to their table and all the

0:09:49waiters were like you know stepping

0:09:52aside to let me pass and I never wanted

0:09:55to get out of this costume Marland I was

0:09:57I inhabited the character of the red

0:10:00robin who as you know is both a

0:10:02Mixmaster or a mixologist and also a

0:10:06burger master to two things at times I i

0:10:10I've only ever eaten a red robin but I

0:10:12pass by them and i'm just looking at the

0:10:14character appears to be a red bird and

0:10:16he's got a little bit kind of like a

0:10:17what like a beanie cap on he's got like

0:10:21a backwards when he's got a baseball cap

0:10:23I guess you probably shouldn't maybe 17

0:10:24he's carrying a burger like bob's big

0:10:26boy he's got a big adorable yellow bird

0:10:28feet

0:10:29that's right and pencil beautiful blue

0:10:30eyes to those are you up to those who

0:10:33are listeners who are not in America it

0:10:35is a burger restaurant that was started

0:10:37in Seattle

0:10:38it's a chain restaurant they have the

0:10:39burger places all over the country and

0:10:42they their twin selling points were the

0:10:46this menu about rageous burgers

0:10:48outrageous burgers with outrageous

0:10:51toppings

0:10:53and then also a very fun bar component

0:10:57where master mixologist sand i believe

0:11:00the term mixologist was invented at

0:11:02redrock turns out it was I take it all

0:11:07back this looks this looks fantastic it

0:11:08says here it's America's you get gourmet

0:11:11burgers and spirits what a brilliant

0:11:13idea we had some time guess so mom and

0:11:16dad could go and get one of these liked

0:11:18all drinks that had 15 shots of liquor

0:11:20and it tasted like a banana and the kids

0:11:24could eat all you can eat seasoned fries

0:11:26and a and a giant burger covered with

0:11:30skills or whatever it is

0:11:31the kids want and they used to have all

0:11:34they had amazing food a mud pie not

0:11:37chose anyway so I was I had such a good

0:11:41time as the red robin i was such a

0:11:42success that they started to somebody

0:11:45got a truck and they would put me in the

0:11:48back of the truck and we would we drove

0:11:51to all the hospitals and i started

0:11:54visiting sick kids as the Red Robin will

0:11:58get a response did you get that was

0:12:00amazing you walk onto the ward and all

0:12:02the little little sick and hurt kids and

0:12:05they're so thrilled you know the hardest

0:12:07part I think the South boring did you

0:12:10celebrate come

0:12:11yeah mom and dad come visit for an hour

0:12:13or whatever but nobody's there it's just

0:12:15dull and here comes this giant freaky

0:12:19bird half of the kids had no idea what

0:12:22the connection was to the restaurant it

0:12:24was just like here's his giant Freebird

0:12:26and thinking about it now like we were

0:12:29doing this really roguelike it was this

0:12:31is one assistant manager and one of the

0:12:34waiters owned a truck and we're like I

0:12:36know let's go to hospitals can't imagine

0:12:38that happening today don't even think we

0:12:40call the head

0:12:41I think we just drove to hospitals

0:12:44walked in and the nurses at the in the

0:12:48ER were like oh hello

0:12:50let's go and like took us back to the

0:12:52days like 50 things about that that

0:12:54would never happen today right

0:12:56if John Roderick sighs Redbird walked

0:12:58into a hospital today there'll be so

0:12:59many questions you're going to get a

0:13:01black bag

0:13:02yeah but this was you know and and and

0:13:05the entire trip across Anchorage with me

0:13:06in the back

0:13:07this pickup truck I'd be waving at

0:13:09people with the harmonic mock I really

0:13:11felt like like queen for a day every

0:13:15time I put on this costume and it

0:13:16transformed so we started going to like

0:13:18state fair and and stuff like that where

0:13:21the red robin to eat you the manager

0:13:23didn't mind you doing this

0:13:25the manager loved it because first of

0:13:27all I was a not a very good busboy

0:13:29win-win

0:13:31and being that check it out of here that

0:13:34that summer like all of a sudden the red

0:13:38robin was literally everywhere in

0:13:41Anchorage like you could not get me out

0:13:42of that student and everytime everytime

0:13:45somebody open an envelope i was there

0:13:47the red robin costume like Hello

0:13:50and you know if it's a silent role so i

0:13:53wasn't i didn't say anything i was just

0:13:54bouncing and jumping and dancing

0:13:58I mean you know dancing to like

0:13:59schoolhouse rock or whatever it is that

0:14:01they play

0:14:02I mean it's probably nice i entirely

0:14:04different from the spectrum kids wear

0:14:07like you disappear into this character

0:14:09and it's not like the interesting thing

0:14:11about it is like everybody sees you as a

0:14:12big dancing bird but like all you see is

0:14:15the people's reaction which is not

0:14:17you're watching yourself on being one

0:14:18god what the fuck is wrong with me when

0:14:19i get a girlfriend like you you would

0:14:21you just see the delight he walked up

0:14:23and see the delight in people's eyes and

0:14:25do a little dance everybody in the world

0:14:27should do it should walk into a hospital

0:14:29ward of sick kids dressed as a giant

0:14:33bird which everybody should have that

0:14:35experience once because the looks of

0:14:38like pure joy and and and agile ation on

0:14:43these little faces where they're just

0:14:44like you came to see me and you know and

0:14:47i'm like hmmm and high five and big hug

0:14:51and it's just like oh you know I it was

0:14:54it was for as it wasn't my first job but

0:14:58as one of my first jobs

0:15:00it was a it was a hell of a revelation

0:15:03so I have a tremendous soft spot for red

0:15:05robin even as they have succumbed to

0:15:08cost-cutting measures such that i feel

0:15:12that their current Mudpie a shadow of

0:15:16its former self but the content

0:15:18same so Jake don't you hate to see that

0:15:19when a place you really love starts

0:15:21going downhill the old mud pies

0:15:23they literally opened a jar they opened

0:15:27like one of those two court glass jars

0:15:31of atoms peanut butter and just turned

0:15:34it upside down on this chocolate ice

0:15:36cream pie and it was like okay I'm I'm

0:15:40getting dizzy

0:15:41I need to sit down because this that

0:15:43just smelling this this ice cream cake

0:15:46pop back then you could do that no one

0:15:47would stop you

0:15:48oh no you did I mean it again seems like

0:15:50a different role in the one hand I can't

0:15:52believe that you didn't have to go to

0:15:53like six weeks of training and sign a

0:15:55bunch of insurance forms for you put on

0:15:57the suit but at the same time I think

0:15:59about like my tenth birthday at

0:16:00farrell's I don't have you ever seen the

0:16:01ferals but I the pig strong Farrell's I

0:16:04made him think of myself i got the

0:16:06ribbon on my soapbox haha i did I have

0:16:09made a pic of myself at farrell's my

0:16:11tenth birthday there was amazing and

0:16:13they would remember they would have

0:16:14liked didn't mean they come out they

0:16:16carry like they have this ice cream

0:16:18thing that came out like a stretcher

0:16:19yeah they're all wearing straw boaters

0:16:21and like I don't pop but you could eat

0:16:24it you can just sit there and eat 21

0:16:27scoops of ice but there was yeah that

0:16:29was there was one really crazy when I

0:16:30think that the the pigs truck fixed

0:16:33oh my god John I i'm only worse occasion

0:16:35order and ate something called a pigsty

0:16:37off thanks dropped 21 skills that I was

0:16:39like six it was a lot there was one that

0:16:42was really really big that was called

0:16:43likes the roller coaster or the Ice

0:16:45Capades or something

0:16:46there's one was just ridiculously large

0:16:48but I mean it was a banana split had

0:16:50basically everything you can see if we

0:16:52put on there yeah it's just a boost a

0:16:54fire with like every flavor gonna find

0:16:57out now I'm look at these red robin

0:16:58burger to remember correctly that you

0:16:59don't like an onion roll remember that

0:17:01correctly onion roll i seem to recall

0:17:04one time I i seem to call asking if you

0:17:06like that on your role for a burger and

0:17:08oh oh no I don't prefer an onion roll ok

0:17:11so pretty good huh yeah that's a good

0:17:12memory

0:17:13yeah and look at these burgers i have a

0:17:15feeling you don't really get that much

0:17:18tall avocado on your broker but i'm

0:17:21looking at some wonderful beautiful some

0:17:24of those burgers will will will sit you

0:17:26down the fried onions are very generous

0:17:29oh well and so I'm so I go to this

0:17:31restaurant with

0:17:31my friends who live in Russia and they

0:17:34are just you know they're just tucking

0:17:36their napkins into the front of the

0:17:37shirts and they're like here we go we're

0:17:40gonna eat one of these six thousand

0:17:42calorie burgers

0:17:44we're all going to have milkshakes and

0:17:46the waitress came around to me and I was

0:17:47like cobb salad please

0:17:50Oh God and they'll they looked on me

0:17:53with pity they looked on me with like

0:17:55it's just so strong they didn't want to

0:17:58say anything to they looked at me like

0:17:59you know like I had just said i would I

0:18:03just said like I'd like some

0:18:04radiological I'd like a glass of

0:18:06radiological hasn't variant that happen

0:18:10and the waitress is like okay I'm not

0:18:13going on no ice here comes my cobb salad

0:18:16and it is i mean it seriously the size

0:18:18of a bear's head it is really is very

0:18:21generous

0:18:22it's a massive cops out there is nothing

0:18:24to be sorry about

0:18:26but but you know my friends are over

0:18:28there like eating their burgers and slow

0:18:31motion licking their their chops and you

0:18:36know and i'm here with my my leg and my

0:18:39slices of turkey and avocado

0:18:41so it's kind of a chef salad and I went

0:18:43out with me i had left my friend and a

0:18:45few weeks ago and he had a Cobb salad

0:18:46and I remember it seemed very Hardy yeah

0:18:49alright so they're amazing they're great

0:18:51but it is not a thing I would have ever

0:18:53chosen for myself at a red robin will be

0:18:55a time when I don't like when you inside

0:18:57and out

0:18:57you really going to like house of prime

0:18:58rib and getting like a really good like

0:19:01like Kathleen of soul or something we're

0:19:03like pilots good but like you're kind of

0:19:06missing out on what makes that play

0:19:07special you know

0:19:08yeah that's exactly right like you read

0:19:10you always read them at the menu and

0:19:11there's always there's always something

0:19:14like the way of Seoul where you say the

0:19:16only person that the only person that's

0:19:18gonna order that is a guy who's who's

0:19:21putting a nitroglycerin tablet under his

0:19:23tongue but free at four sits down at

0:19:25that's a bunker meal it sound like where

0:19:28the scar across his the scar across his

0:19:30chest from open-heart surgery is still

0:19:32throbbing

0:19:34that's the only guy that's gonna eat the

0:19:37one fish me I I've a friend he's a

0:19:39vegetarian bunch of us went out fears

0:19:41years back when two house of prime rib

0:19:43even their right Merlin what don't tell

0:19:46me don't tell me you've never been there

0:19:48for the entire time we've known each

0:19:50other which now is 10 flush nearly ten

0:19:54plus years ten plus years you have been

0:19:56talking about the house and everything

0:19:58breakers scott simpson Jason thin even

0:20:02jonathan coulton I think there multiple

0:20:06times they all talk about Hodgman Jesus

0:20:08it'sit's something else you know the

0:20:11cookhouse a primary blah blah blah with

0:20:13Merlin blog in San Francisco director I

0:20:15feel so bad we'll listen we need to make

0:20:17a trip we need to make sure we need to

0:20:18schedule we discuss on a show here and

0:20:21show up there we'll bring our families

0:20:23not the house of prime rib you know

0:20:25where you take me when I come visit you

0:20:26I do take oh that's if you don't mind

0:20:30walking canes and we buy everything

0:20:33great doing something to tell them we

0:20:36tell the story about your pants that we

0:20:37were told that story on here i'm sure

0:20:39you remember that night but what happens

0:20:42rushing up to go to dinner and you had

0:20:45figured you'd figured that I in this is

0:20:49exactly the kind of thing that drives me

0:20:50nuts with people it's like if I know I

0:20:52have to be somewhere and it might

0:20:53require pants I'll bring five pairs of

0:20:55pants and you came to town we're going

0:20:57to go to fancy dinner and you had not

0:20:59checked what pair of pants you grabbed a

0:21:01mistake number one he showed up was kind

0:21:03of late remember this you must yes

0:21:05absolutely we were going to dinner with

0:21:06the mister fancy-pants fancy-pants in

0:21:08the other guy and and the other guy and

0:21:10so we are great guys but I'm we and you

0:21:14know I'm legitimately like three strikes

0:21:16in a fancy areas this place this place

0:21:19in nob hill and through anyhow but you

0:21:22got here and you had not checked what

0:21:23pair of pants you grab and I don't know

0:21:25which decade those pants would have

0:21:28worked on you I don't think those pants

0:21:29will fit you three years ago these pants

0:21:31were little they were like little boy

0:21:33pants

0:21:33mistake number one mistake number two

0:21:35you didn't even bother to like grab your

0:21:38good we're gonna go and you're driving

0:21:39you're like bullet

0:21:40I mean you're having your San Francisco

0:21:42bullet moment driving down Market Street

0:21:43hyperventilating and never seen you so

0:21:45anxious because you'll be late for this

0:21:47you know they're gonna be shit for late

0:21:48for it and go to in a complete frenzy we

0:21:53drive the first of all you don't have

0:21:55pants number one

0:21:56number two you decide you're not going

0:21:57to bother to bring any pants with you

0:21:58because that would be inappropriate

0:21:59you're wearing like like big Richard

0:22:02Nixon shorts with with wear the suit

0:22:05jacket

0:22:06you look kind of like like I like a

0:22:07beefy Angus Young yeah we're already

0:22:09we're already late for dinner or later

0:22:11on the other side of your over here in

0:22:13West the cheese's we go to our crappy

0:22:15good well there's nothing there at all

0:22:16costs 50 bucks right and we finally

0:22:18that's right we went to that goodwill up

0:22:20i gotta be like a very photo of you put

0:22:22it up you know what you're looking at

0:22:23here is everything everything was they

0:22:26were all doctors with three pleats

0:22:27effort like struck $80 yeah things I was

0:22:29not going to touch with my hands

0:22:31yeah well then we haul ass and now now

0:22:33you're real anxious because and

0:22:35everything you put on was too small

0:22:36because as we've discussed everything at

0:22:38the goodwill only small people died and

0:22:40everything in the goodwill unless you

0:22:41really spend some time in my experience

0:22:42is all tiny tiny men clothes or triple

0:22:45extra-large right and luckily you're

0:22:47right in the middle your triple

0:22:48extra-large because of because the

0:22:50triple extra-large people that is

0:22:52exactly like hell so anyway it was just

0:22:54it was then we got to get the place we

0:22:56were measured me what we got to like the

0:22:58castro we parked and and i stayed in the

0:23:01car and you tore ass in your angus young

0:23:03pants and like ran and so what happened

0:23:05that you want to like so so I'm you're

0:23:08like there's got to be some place in the

0:23:10castro it's looking like vintage stores

0:23:12fancy boy stores all kinds of stores so

0:23:14here we get down to the castro was like

0:23:16okay we're just gonna Park in the gas

0:23:17station and part in the South car

0:23:20spotters you're uncomfortable I'm like

0:23:22you guard the car and Iran on the one in

0:23:25the left foot rent and to his suit i'm

0:23:29in a suit jacket and like underwear

0:23:31basically i ran into this vintage store

0:23:33and I'm like men's pants and she's like

0:23:37in the back you know over by the but

0:23:39tuxedo jackets or whatever said it was

0:23:41it was some castro was like on market

0:23:44street like in that kind of fancy

0:23:45stripping having curative masters it was

0:23:47like the thrift vintage kind of its real

0:23:50upscale that a tear as far as like

0:23:52you're not even going somewhere and get

0:23:54like a like a skinny tie for a buck

0:23:56ya know if I mean that was it was it had

0:23:58been it was it was a how do you say carl

0:24:01curated store

0:24:03and I run in the back and I'm flipping

0:24:05through all these things and they're all

0:24:06it's just like a bunch of Hammer pants

0:24:08and and and sweaters

0:24:12yeah just like garbage garbage garbage

0:24:14garbage and then I come upon this

0:24:17amazing pair of so what were they were

0:24:22reproduction buckle back wool pants that

0:24:28a forest ranger in the twenties was like

0:24:33very full leg very heavy with outdoorsy

0:24:36very outdoorsy pans and I looked at the

0:24:39man's land there you know kind of high

0:24:40waist like buckle back a very earlier

0:24:43style and I was like these pants

0:24:47not only are the right pans but these

0:24:49pants are Dynamite's these people i'm

0:24:51gonna walk into this novel steakhouse

0:24:53and everybody in the place is gonna have

0:24:55to reevaluate what they chose which is

0:24:58how I like to walk into a place where he

0:25:01worked out it worked out i I'm in now

0:25:04then so i go into the dressing room I

0:25:06wear the pants out i'm waiting in line

0:25:09behind you know behind a guy shorts

0:25:12Ichabod Crane now I left it short so

0:25:15silly audios I'm wait wait in line

0:25:18behind a guy that's where you know like

0:25:20yeah like a tri-cornered hats market

0:25:24needs in here buying puka shells or

0:25:26something and like come on come on come

0:25:27on

0:25:28I'd throw my money down on you know

0:25:30throw through ashdown where I don't have

0:25:32to wait

0:25:33run back up to the gas station where

0:25:35you're singing zipcar spot drumming your

0:25:37fingers on that and hopefully we show up

0:25:41by the time we got to van ness I

0:25:43honestly thought I was going to die you

0:25:46you

0:25:47we know you know what it wasn't even

0:25:48like it was named seem clean your your

0:25:50gene hackman and the French Connection

0:25:51like banging on the dashboard we were

0:25:53going fast chasing the heroin dealers

0:25:55but it was a but you know I just it's

0:25:58interesting and then again now the fact

0:25:59that you left the short scene i would

0:26:01take the shorts because I contingencies

0:26:03right you never know what's gonna happen

0:26:04you want to go skinny-dipping if i want

0:26:06to go swimming well you're not

0:26:07skinny-dipping but you know pants pants

0:26:08swimming in fact what we did is we went

0:26:10and everybody everybody after the depth

0:26:13of the dinner was smoking pot out of an

0:26:14e-cigarette yeah

0:26:16and I made that your friend yeah and oh

0:26:18yeah you did you did a very good job of

0:26:20making fun of that guy stopped doing

0:26:22that don't make fun of people anymore i

0:26:23don't know that was pretty great haha i

0:26:25don't even remember what I said you know

0:26:27you know everybody had a few cocktails

0:26:29yes and you were just calling attention

0:26:31to the fact that his house was vulgar

0:26:34this case was for didn't say i don't

0:26:38remember any of that

0:26:40well you were just like this is a very

0:26:41expensive house in a very it's a very

0:26:44expensive everything in it is very

0:26:48expensive something you know about me is

0:26:50there's a couple of situations right

0:26:51shutdown shutdown when you yell at me

0:26:53and I cry I shut down when people start

0:26:56lying compulsively ah I can't hear you

0:26:59can sometimes get very mad at that

0:27:01well um I you know what it is it's very

0:27:05silly compulsive liars and people who

0:27:06are ostentatious probably not in this

0:27:11case this can actually have a lot of

0:27:12dough but who are like like insecure

0:27:14falsely fancy high-status you know

0:27:17douchebags and and this is something I

0:27:21picked up from my college but like

0:27:22somebody says oh yeah well you know

0:27:23that's my mother's day BMW and go wow

0:27:26that's a really expensive car

0:27:29yes you did but everything else play

0:27:31along but then it gets to like wow

0:27:33that's a really big boat up I don't know

0:27:38what to say i will not be I will not be

0:27:40I'm not gonna be a VC I'm not gonna be

0:27:41complicit

0:27:42you're not going to go gladly along with

0:27:44this little game you're supposed to play

0:27:46it's the same reason i can't stand like

0:27:48like fake friendly-like tchotchkes kind

0:27:50of waiters it just makes me a plastic I

0:27:52just like how we doing tonight

0:27:54yeah what we're doing is shut up and

0:27:55take my order to end up like a gentleman

0:27:57and take my fucking order hold the

0:28:00tomato between know this party was

0:28:04fantastic because every new room that we

0:28:06went to in this house there was a new it

0:28:08was written it was like a curtain party

0:28:09and it was revealed a new level of

0:28:11pretentious vulgarity wasn't that it was

0:28:14really loud and Carolyn so making tough

0:28:17the shower stalls that had terrible

0:28:21floors get a bathroom with its own

0:28:23bathroom

0:28:24yeah and you just everywhere everywhere

0:28:26went just increase louder and louder

0:28:28wow how much did that cost you have to

0:28:31really spend a lot of money on that and

0:28:34the guy was oblivious to you that

0:28:36oblivious large piece of granite

0:28:38yeah that is an artwork that must have

0:28:40been very expensive in the store and

0:28:43then and I wanna know is that we're

0:28:45standing on his roof of his water it

0:28:47whatever in Georgia so gorgeous eyes

0:28:49stories house

0:28:50yeah and I look everybody's looking at

0:28:53the beautiful san francisco which is

0:28:54panoramic view and I look behind look

0:28:57off the back side of the house and down

0:29:00in the cavern between his giant house

0:29:05and the little 1920s bungalow behind it

0:29:08the five foot space between his house

0:29:12and the and the wall with this little

0:29:15house and I realized that oh my god this

0:29:19little bungalow behind his newly

0:29:21constructed house ad for 100 years or

0:29:26for 90 years that little bungalow had an

0:29:29incredible view of san francisco from

0:29:32its yard and then this this giant 2001 a

0:29:37Space Odyssey modernist monolith slammed

0:29:40into the vacant lot on the corner got

0:29:43that would that be so frustrating

0:29:44blocked out the light and so at as as

0:29:47we're all standing around smoking pot

0:29:49with the ISA grip myself excluded i say

0:29:52to our hosts um so so who are the

0:29:57neighbors like you know like what's

0:30:00their story and he kind of looked over

0:30:02his shoulder down at the house was like

0:30:03huh

0:30:04oh I don't know and we went back to

0:30:07talking about the music business i was

0:30:08like wow he doesn't even see the

0:30:11aristocracy it doesn't even know them

0:30:13like he doesn't even understand doesn't

0:30:15recognize that there's a neighborhood

0:30:17behind his house

0:30:19I was also this is nothing is a

0:30:21beautiful house is very nice guy

0:30:23it's just a dead never said a bad word

0:30:26about the guy

0:30:27good good good cook makes her own

0:30:28clothes super nice guy

0:30:30yeah pretty fish yeah sweetie I never

0:30:33married duh yeah now that you know it is

0:30:37also it's kind of in that style that

0:30:39became popular when lofts started

0:30:41getting big in San Francisco so I'm sure

0:30:42siblings in in Seattle but you get the

0:30:45place that's got the combination of like

0:30:46it's it's kind of like a place where

0:30:48people would work and it looks a bit

0:30:49like a boat and the stairs the the

0:30:51stairs i'll have that like wire you know

0:30:54high tensile strength like wire stuff

0:30:56instead of like normal like you know

0:30:58slats or whatever and different layers

0:31:00extra-big like kinda like slides like

0:31:03you're in the in the Meatpacking

0:31:04District and then you get those lights

0:31:06with the with the covers over arm so

0:31:07that when you're unloading your forklift

0:31:09you won't accidentally knock out your

0:31:10porch light i right that's funny because

0:31:12that if you go to like a city where

0:31:15where I mean let's be honest in most

0:31:17places maybe and maybe New York sure

0:31:18maybe in Seattle sure the most places

0:31:20here they made that on purpose in 1998

0:31:22to look like that and it's it's kind of

0:31:25I don't know it's not even as good as

0:31:27living in a tree house its kind of it's

0:31:29kind of like I don't know it's like it's

0:31:31like the the the single 45 year old

0:31:34man's version of a racecar bed that

0:31:36there's anything wrong with that i was

0:31:38in you're right Batman comics i'm not

0:31:39going to say anything I know but you're

0:31:41not sitting in a racecar bed not know

0:31:44yeah it's not because they don't make a

0:31:46king I got it badly

0:31:47yes that the new Seattle uh uh the the

0:31:50new university of washington football

0:31:51state in the day as and which they're

0:31:54they're kind of rebuilding this football

0:31:56stand your father was an ardent fan

0:31:58right you will see what so we we used to

0:32:00go to we used to go to every game we

0:32:02could and sit up in the absolute highest

0:32:04seed fault then we all hope it would at

0:32:08one time in love that story sorry that's

0:32:11a new stadium in stadium and i'm driving

0:32:13past it and I'm like I'm astonished to

0:32:17the point where I almost had to pull

0:32:18over because i was so gate mouth at the

0:32:21fact that the 700 million dollar bond or

0:32:26whatever it was that they pass to build

0:32:27this thing and all the architects that

0:32:29had to had to pass a

0:32:32is rubber-stamp this plan that they have

0:32:35made this football stadium of 50,000

0:32:38seat football stadium they made it look

0:32:40like a panera bread like what it has it

0:32:43has all the are presently have bread

0:32:45bowls redbull ones let's look at Baghdad

0:32:47it's more like a big big round ii i know

0:32:49you know what panera bread is one of

0:32:51those one of those strip mall a strip

0:32:54mall be sure okay out in the out in the

0:32:57hinterlands it looks like it's just a

0:32:59man should look like that that's that's

0:33:00terrible yeah it's so architectural II

0:33:03like that

0:33:04undefined it's just it's like oh you

0:33:07it's like Tinkertoys plus faux brick

0:33:12well done round of applause for

0:33:13everybody like and I'm sure that there's

0:33:17ten percent for art or whatever and you

0:33:19walk inside and there is a statue of a

0:33:22like a seagull or a or highest vote Joe

0:33:27Heisman for somebody but like the lights

0:33:31bit but the exterior of this thing could

0:33:36not be like it isn't unappealing it is

0:33:39non appealing there's no there's nothing

0:33:42you just look at it and and your heart

0:33:45just keeps pumping at the same rate that

0:33:48it was but thank you

0:33:50I think he nailed it it's not not unlike

0:33:54the the fake boathouse or or fake

0:33:55warehouse thing in that sometimes you

0:33:58can look at something like that and you

0:34:00can't immediately put your finger on it

0:34:02like you could say okay this is vulgar

0:34:03and garish and like weird but but maybe

0:34:06on closer inspection you like you know

0:34:07what that's not real brick like that's

0:34:09you know that's the equivalent of wood

0:34:10paneling like you you put that as a face

0:34:12on the cheapest conceivable earthquake

0:34:15safe building materials to keep the

0:34:18place from you know just falling down

0:34:20the first time people sit in it but

0:34:21there's something about it that like and

0:34:22and you know and even though giants game

0:34:25even though giants game you want with

0:34:27mr. fancy right i have never been to a

0:34:29giants k RR with a very fancy stadium

0:34:32you know I mean airway had a career

0:34:34ahead of the curve on the busy bee

0:34:35Candlestick Park which is free i'm using

0:34:37there's like a whole team of like they

0:34:39hire a bunch of kayakers right to catch

0:34:41their their their old balls I think

0:34:43they're interns no no there there

0:34:45unpaid ball catchers like a lot of

0:34:46people in high school mhm and in

0:34:50anybody's you know it's got it all its

0:34:51got the garlic fries it's got the you

0:34:53know of course you get the bread bowl

0:34:55with the sourdough bread bowls sure we

0:34:58got one of those here in Seattle is that

0:35:00shit yeah it's got a wolfgang pucks in

0:35:03it uh-huh

0:35:04although I guess every year for your

0:35:05food yes california pizza kitchen or

0:35:08whatever but this is the artist areas

0:35:10where she was going to have to look at

0:35:11just what I'm saying ok alright let's

0:35:13get sushi there because of the Pacific

0:35:15and whatnot

0:35:15yeah we do we are Seattle is known for

0:35:17its seafood you know what's good my wife

0:35:19won't shut up about those noodles we got

0:35:20that one time

0:35:22Oh last thing is gonna be fascinating to

0:35:23people you have the the heat that the

0:35:25high nutrition shape barley green oh my

0:35:28goodness says our office for I'm sure

0:35:31I'm sure our listeners particular

0:35:32international listeners are showing this

0:35:34smell

0:35:35let's let's let's let's bring it back

0:35:38let's bring it back to what we're eating

0:35:40these days because right yeah I you know

0:35:42but you know what you know where the big

0:35:45hack of this whole thing every time i

0:35:48say hack you sniffle here like your

0:35:53science fiction book words like my big I

0:35:56big but my big hack your big axe John

0:36:03was I made all this bacon right I made

0:36:06two pounds of bacon is made of bacon act

0:36:08is a bacon mac and you think you've got

0:36:11every bacon hack but i'm telling you

0:36:13this is a new 1i think i almost wrote a

0:36:15book about it I got it I got those

0:36:17little snack bags not that the little

0:36:20Ziploc snack bags and talk about the

0:36:21half-size bags that are only good for

0:36:24like ten candy corns right like you

0:36:28would get like a like a like a dime bag

0:36:30or like you don't like little rolling

0:36:31ones like the kids snacks materials and

0:36:33that kind of that's right that's right

0:36:34little short short bag and so I got all

0:36:39this bacon cooked it still exists and I

0:36:41have cooked it so that it's chris but

0:36:43it's still warm and pliable and i put

0:36:47for Bacon's / ziploc bag so i'm making

0:36:52for bacon bacon part 44 script bacon

0:36:55pods

0:36:56and I love his hack then I push all the

0:37:01air bacon and you put that pic i push

0:37:03all the air out of the bag right and

0:37:06then I'm stacking bacon pod servings in

0:37:10the freezer

0:37:12that's kid and then every time I'm like

0:37:15bacon

0:37:16that's like a 20-second reheat isn't it

0:37:18I mean it doesn't take long

0:37:19no here's the head it's a double hacker

0:37:21this had double hack I pulled the first

0:37:25time I grabbed the first bacon pot out i

0:37:29was like huh i'm on my way to the

0:37:32microwave to put him in there for a

0:37:3330-second reheat and I break off a

0:37:36little chunk of it and put it in my

0:37:39mouth

0:37:39no frozen bacon what I treat is like the

0:37:46popsicle of the gods

0:37:48it is so delicious you you like the

0:37:50thomas and cured meats because it

0:37:53because of the the way that bacon is

0:37:55because of its consistency its natural

0:37:58crunchy meaty consistency freezing it

0:38:02does not change its consistency at all

0:38:05it is still just like crispy bacon see

0:38:09but it is going to rain you want to

0:38:11drain it very well i'm guessing

0:38:12oh yeah youyou as you're cooking the

0:38:14bacon you take it out you put on some

0:38:15paper towels so it's not covered and

0:38:16coagulated fat

0:38:18ah that sounds good and then frozen

0:38:21bacon and you know four strips at a time

0:38:23perfect serving you get four strips ok

0:38:26so then frozen bacon in a in a mini bag

0:38:29check you you you make it make a fist

0:38:33you crunch up the bacon in the mini bag

0:38:35and there's your topping for your for

0:38:38your quarter iceberg lettuce salad with

0:38:41blue cheese dressing

0:38:43you got this shit wire time my friend

0:38:45boom boom boom

0:38:46every day a new use for four strips of

0:38:49frozen bacon

0:38:50huh because you're not going to have to

0:38:52wonder you're not sitting there cuz it's

0:38:53a little bit of a production like making

0:38:54pancakes almost said something like I

0:38:56should make bacon like it kind of takes

0:38:58a few minutes

0:38:59yeah and you just have it around my

0:39:01gravel house gets greasy as fuck it's

0:39:03terrible and once you're making bacon as

0:39:05you know it is much less effort to keep

0:39:08baking

0:39:09taken right you have you have some you

0:39:11have inertia you have bacon inertia

0:39:13that's right and you could if making two

0:39:15pounds is like making ten pounds and

0:39:17it's never enough

0:39:18I don't even get into the whole internet

0:39:18bacon think it's a fucking cares but but

0:39:21but i will tell you every time I've

0:39:22always think I have enough bacon I I now

0:39:24by three pounds of bacon when I know

0:39:26you're coming to the house and still

0:39:27it's like crab legs are or you know or

0:39:29something that was never enough right so

0:39:31three pounds of bacon make it put them

0:39:35in bacon pods freedom and you will end

0:39:38your whole it's it's it's a complete

0:39:40transformation the great got a job to

0:39:42you can take it to your work that you

0:39:44don't really have to put in the freezer

0:39:46and you can have a treat

0:39:47anytime you get a cup of coffee as a

0:39:49fucking frozen bacon have fun for bacon

0:39:51and that tonight I want a good ham

0:39:53probably not as good because its

0:39:56consistency it was independent shippers

0:39:59part of what makes it incredible is that

0:40:01the bacon is already thin and crispy and

0:40:04freezing it doesn't doesn't really

0:40:06change that like they the mouthfeel if

0:40:09you will permit me to use the term

0:40:11mouthfeel boom the mouthfeel of the

0:40:14bacon is unchanged except it is now

0:40:17freezing cold like a popsicle

0:40:20let's take a couple calls we have a riot

0:40:22on line from Grand Rapids he had some

0:40:24questions about things that he could do

0:40:26with leftover roast beef Ryan you're on

0:40:29our online Orion haha haha car food

0:40:36here's what I'm thinking really hate

0:40:38when people talk about food like it i

0:40:40know i like we do I hate it's like it's

0:40:42like orgasms and farts like I just I

0:40:44don't want to think about anybody else's

0:40:45other people's food or orgasms are parts

0:40:49minor I never want to think about other

0:40:53people's parts except half of twitter

0:40:55now it's just people talking about the

0:40:56farms never let me keep up other

0:40:59people's orgasms points really a

0:41:01big-hearted fella are people people are

0:41:04actually talking about the fart

0:41:07I think it's one of those so you mean it

0:41:09and Alan gee Ashley no I'm time I mean

0:41:12literally about their farts I I feel

0:41:13like it is a kind of I might have done

0:41:17that thing so three or four times in my

0:41:19Twitter life I have to go back to

0:41:23twitter I've followed a few people and

0:41:26then followed the people that they seem

0:41:27to think we're the best and pretty soon

0:41:29you can end up in a cul-de-sac

0:41:31yeah of people were like oh I'm over

0:41:34here is a ball at tompkins singularity

0:41:37yeah were you know like I ended up kind

0:41:40of over in the Jake football nest camp

0:41:43is not recently and you know and you

0:41:47follow people you can follow my I'm fine

0:41:49with all that but everyone smile i

0:41:51realized that i have followed numerous

0:41:53people and now i'm over somewhere in a

0:41:56side land that feels like the center of

0:42:00everything but it's really just what

0:42:02this group of people is talking about

0:42:03and I'm ready to kind of back out of

0:42:06that room quietly yeah and close the

0:42:09door behind me and that that group of

0:42:10people is the people have been following

0:42:12some of them are weird Twitter

0:42:14Superstars and you know various Twitter

0:42:19comedians and I'm just I'm ready to kind

0:42:21of just back out there and close the

0:42:24door

0:42:24yeah I yes I I don't like to follow that

0:42:30many people on Twitter who are like me

0:42:33yeah um and I really I with Pats

0:42:36conversation i I just I can't follow too

0:42:38many of the comedy insiders it's no it's

0:42:40too exhausting

0:42:41no it's too bad and and and the new

0:42:43thing that is not really they're not

0:42:44funny

0:42:44there are hundreds it's not like going

0:42:46to marinas funny like this other people

0:42:48were funny they can be funny but last

0:42:50time i watched the ck is one of my

0:42:51all-time favorite performers his his

0:42:53Twitter was like the bulletin board at

0:42:55the laundromat

0:42:56yeah it was just awful is going to be

0:42:57over it sloppy joes this week that's

0:43:00great yeah dawg

0:43:02professor gigatons video handjobs the

0:43:06people that I'm really enjoying on the

0:43:07internet now are the ones who very

0:43:09selflessly curate a a stream of interest

0:43:13right

0:43:14stream of consciousness with sword

0:43:16like a blog is to be likable of AR

0:43:19microblogging that's exactly it is a

0:43:21microblogging platform microblogging

0:43:24somebody should invest in this idea

0:43:26microblogging mhm but they can't be a

0:43:30thought leader John where they let me

0:43:32let me just can you just drive on this

0:43:34for me that you so you're going on

0:43:36inside you

0:43:36ok let's put a pin in it well you know

0:43:38we need to do we need to get you on musk

0:43:40on this just talking about you please

0:43:43remember where I heard about the google

0:43:46balloon story now it's that it's that

0:43:49bill gates thinks it might not be a

0:43:51great idea what well you know when I was

0:43:54with them until you got to that comma

0:43:56because as long as their kid with

0:43:58malaria oh god no I get it he's like a

0:44:01few people help the world the way his

0:44:03foundation helps the world like in fact

0:44:05apparently turns out i don't know

0:44:07because I can't afford to get the Dillon

0:44:09gates foundation on my ass and my friend

0:44:11of the bill and melinda gates foundation

0:44:12is also listening to our conversations

0:44:15and keeping a log i think they're much

0:44:18more likely to do something with the

0:44:19information that I couldn't understand

0:44:21you might come and inoculate me in a way

0:44:24that makes my life very complicated and

0:44:26not even looking at a time frame i can

0:44:28understand it might be I wake up like a

0:44:29year and a half from now and i'm just

0:44:30i'm just sitting in like Kaitlyn play

0:44:32with my spit or something but sitting

0:44:34under an apple tree in New England which

0:44:36I think read about the good of balloons

0:44:37a 20 bill gates ill gates

0:44:43hey I like that pearl jam single i was

0:44:46their new pearl jam song and they get a

0:44:47pearl jam song it's good i don't know

0:44:49why you have to that every once in

0:44:51awhile pearl jam you know surprises me

0:44:53with a new rock jam that I feel like is

0:44:56a is totally rad valid rock jam yeah but

0:45:00what happened that hasn't happened

0:45:02before it might be my first like

0:45:03programs i really liked you on the whole

0:45:06pearl jam and nice guys never married to

0:45:09to be i like i like them all I like them

0:45:11personally

0:45:12they seem like they are the Bruce

0:45:14Springsteen of the Northwest already

0:45:18here

0:45:19I found that I that I understand why

0:45:22people like Bruce Springsteen I

0:45:23understand his appeal was updated the

0:45:26list John let's go through these

0:45:28together religion tradition winter

0:45:32though I personally I think we shouldn't

0:45:38talk about music oh no sorry not the

0:45:40music the culture is that i personally

0:45:43don't don't

0:45:44I the bruce springsteen does not move me

0:45:47okay put him on the list too

0:45:49and you know and i have a friend now we

0:45:52have we have a friend i have a friend of

0:45:54british guy that you do you think you

0:45:56might know you got a president who is

0:45:59who has become personal friends with

0:46:01bruce springsteen it goes over to his

0:46:03house

0:46:03oh and when i get and keep getting like

0:46:06techie like they'll blow up my phone

0:46:08like you know uh I guess where i am and

0:46:12I'm like man that's creepy shouldn't and

0:46:14that's really it is like gets a hit him

0:46:16and Bruce sitting around was impressed

0:46:18and they're watching tax 20 fixing his

0:46:20car with Louise know he's like he's like

0:46:22he's bragging about being your house all

0:46:23my friends like papers i'm going to send

0:46:25a picture you to my friend is that cool

0:46:26and he's like sure

0:46:28and so you know sends a sense of like a

0:46:30selfie at least a really really nice guy

0:46:33seems like an amazing bc is going very

0:46:35very nice gain generous in a quiet way

0:46:37which I really like I am dying for the

0:46:40opportunity to go to Bruce Springsteen's

0:46:43house because this is not a completely

0:46:45unrealistic opportunity now who like it

0:46:48is conceivable that at some point I will

0:46:49be back east i will be in the new jersey

0:46:51area and my friend will say why don't we

0:46:55drop in on Bruce find my sext him i'll

0:46:58text entry Springsteen not kiss let's do

0:47:00this

0:47:00ok so help me understand i don't want to

0:47:03get I don't get what I want to find out

0:47:04go ahead well there's so there's two

0:47:06there's two problems shielding myself

0:47:08John because i really like Bruce

0:47:09Springsteen and I don't want to get into

0:47:11a thing with you makes me cry i know i

0:47:13don't want to get into thing that makes

0:47:14you cry either but i but i am afraid

0:47:16first of all that's saying that Bruce

0:47:19Springsteen does not move me is like

0:47:21there is a Bruce Springsteen NSA I think

0:47:26he does not care when I don't know he

0:47:29doesn't care but they're up with all

0:47:30those people that are like out in the

0:47:32bushes around it

0:47:33house or who Fredo and then also when i

0:47:37get there like I'm not sure what I'm

0:47:40going to say like I really liked the way

0:47:44that you i really like the way that you

0:47:48totally dominated the culture of america

0:47:50during my high school years just for my

0:47:52benefit

0:47:53it was really amazing to read about aj

0:47:55webmin the guy who liked was the

0:47:59self-appointed Dylan scholar he's like

0:48:01go through don't Dylan's trash and then

0:48:03like Dylan comes out and starts yelling

0:48:05at me record the conversation and shit

0:48:07happy I did I got that you like a team

0:48:10and yeah JJ weber it's really real

0:48:16creepy but like you imagine like that

0:48:17somebody out there who I guess is like a

0:48:19royal watcher he mentioned a royal

0:48:21watcher

0:48:22well there's all I mean there's like

0:48:24yeah they're self-appointed vultures

0:48:26like in all the trees watching everybody

0:48:28rekha I told you didn't I mean that's

0:48:33what I know that's a fantastic line its

0:48:36issued reasons like it seems seems like

0:48:38as you're driving up the long long lane

0:48:42the-the-the-the lane with with the with

0:48:45giant alder trees on either side that

0:48:48leads up to Bruce Springsteen's house

0:48:50and there are probably like some hundred

0:48:52and fifty thousand dollar thoroughbred

0:48:54horses trotting along side your card and

0:48:57since the person somehow a personal

0:48:59union steam see the same boat steel mill

0:49:02he's getting out there building will not

0:49:05be all tired school hard today because

0:49:12you don't like Billy Joel for the same

0:49:14reason right up your rental minivan

0:49:16suddenly transforms into a 57 t-bird

0:49:19wow you're like wow did I get here I

0:49:21mean I mean it's like I like I'm in no

0:49:24Willy Wonka lame and hit that button

0:49:27why wouldn't he just hit why turns it

0:49:29into a finished summary but all you're

0:49:33not a major an artificial bay like like

0:49:36chris Christie is up there with

0:49:38binoculars and a and a crossbow and

0:49:42everybody's up there like you don't love

0:49:45Bruce enough you know the list

0:49:46people that love Bruce that should be

0:49:48able to go to Bruce's house before me is

0:49:53you know because that's the feeling

0:49:55those people have they love Bruce so

0:49:57much if anybody's gonna get to go to

0:49:59Bruce's house it should be me and the

0:50:01list that list is like you're like

0:50:03you're looking T doing amazon.com wrong

0:50:05I don't even know where to begin

0:50:07like you don't want you don't like Bruce

0:50:09Springsteen as a person you don't like

0:50:11his music if you have another thing

0:50:13you've already said you stipulate you

0:50:14have nothing to talk to him about what

0:50:16you're worried that his personal NSA

0:50:18which includes a still rather portly

0:50:20Bowman is going to somehow get this

0:50:22information and then a scotch the trip

0:50:24that you don't want to have with the

0:50:26musician that you don't really like more

0:50:28if not scotch it then i don't know i

0:50:30mean just you know how it is when you

0:50:32when when it's just driving reached your

0:50:35driving up a country lane and you feel

0:50:36like people are in the trees scorning

0:50:38you

0:50:39oh yes that is terrible video a

0:50:42self-appointed vultures in all the trees

0:50:45yeah well ya know I i I've been

0:50:47disturbed by trees I've been thinking a

0:50:48lot about bows and arrows lately serious

0:50:50oh because you're reading comic books

0:50:52again no also also yeah i watch this

0:50:54martial arts movie walk see is that the

0:50:57name of the genre called hero and

0:50:59there's a there's this you can see this

0:51:00movie

0:51:01you gotta move there's no question it's

0:51:02it's amazing it's like the gates of

0:51:04greatest martial arts movie of all time

0:51:06and hero with the with the with the jet

0:51:09li ya gently and also i think that means

0:51:12we can rush along the treetops right

0:51:14yes but this is better than Crouching

0:51:16Tiger is such as legions he can run

0:51:18along we can we can jump from leaf to

0:51:20leave

0:51:21it's astonishing we do it but was my

0:51:23point oh yeah eras man they got some

0:51:26great poner scenes were lucky you know

0:51:28you got a big army can imagine how scary

0:51:30would be to be somewhere when hundreds

0:51:32and hundreds of guys with all different

0:51:34kinds of bows and you know crossbows and

0:51:37longbows and the kind of laying your

0:51:39back and pull the thing back

0:51:40imagine seeing like 15,000 arrows coming

0:51:45at you that's like that's like the skate

0:51:47just about the scariest thing I can

0:51:48think of its I literally all I have done

0:51:52for months and months is imagine what it

0:51:57would be like huh to to be

0:52:00they're well we've talked about the

0:52:01Battle of Hastings yeah we sure have

0:52:03and we end the lack of the the lack of

0:52:06of bowman on the English side we've

0:52:10talked about a drink or yes like a rain

0:52:14of arrows you know you don't mean it's

0:52:16not like a bullet where you don't see it

0:52:18coming

0:52:19it's like you do see it coming just a

0:52:22little italy one that is your name on

0:52:24and nothing to do about it nothing

0:52:26there's just like a way you could outrun

0:52:27it

0:52:28you just you crouch down you put your

0:52:30little you put your little would shield

0:52:32over your head and you just because this

0:52:35is the terrible thing in most cases if

0:52:37you got an arrow in the knee

0:52:40that's no better than one between the

0:52:42eyes

0:52:43you're just you're just gonna die of

0:52:45infection now right past the glory the

0:52:48guys like I am more scared of dying or

0:52:50being hurt and if you think about it

0:52:51it's really really more scared of being

0:52:54hurt in that case of the like whatever a

0:52:56sepsis or whatever like the fact that

0:52:57you're gonna sit there they're gonna

0:52:58have to move on and the best thing that

0:53:00could happen if your friend comes up and

0:53:01kills you because you're just going to

0:53:02die of an infection in horrible pain

0:53:04that you can shut the gut with the arrow

0:53:06the hell is that cool that's like an

0:53:09artillery right same idea you got from

0:53:12so far away but you see that I bet you

0:53:13got a good ten seconds to go

0:53:15holy shit i just hear this like she was

0:53:20this movie it's good rain of arrows

0:53:22coming down and they bring them with

0:53:24swords it's really cool when you went

0:53:27when you survive an attack of of archers

0:53:31I bet you feel pretty good about

0:53:32yourself especially if you can become a

0:53:35bench of planks did to meet you

0:53:38that was stupid I'm sorry I said that

0:53:43should tell you about some more about

0:53:45food he was a really stupid comedian who

0:53:47was so funny he was so state has not

0:53:50aged well John so much that late with

0:53:52this possible exception of the

0:53:54pheromones majors Richard Pryor has aged

0:53:57best buy out but Robin Williams I mean

0:54:01Bob Newhart what's my sensibility stands

0:54:04up a thousand times but totally

0:54:05bulletproof

0:54:06oh my goodness still so funny so weird

0:54:09yeah and its way I mean but why would I

0:54:11mean it's been very inspirational to me

0:54:12that

0:54:13the button-down mind yeah the one side

0:54:15of a phone conversation is funny

0:54:16it's just very very funny but now Robin

0:54:18Williams my gosh now I don't stipulate

0:54:21here this this could also want to talk

0:54:23about Billy Joel nice guy

0:54:25nice guy I'm Williams didn't run William

0:54:28stories

0:54:28well you met Robin Williams now now you

0:54:30know it's not appropriate

0:54:31I'm i was going to say when my family

0:54:34was staying at this house in another

0:54:37state this person had a giant like

0:54:41probably at least least like a hundred

0:54:43and fifty cassette tapes and I think

0:54:45this person who owns the house that we

0:54:47were staying in renting was is probably

0:54:50five to 10 years older maybe just five

0:54:53to eight years older

0:54:54because it's like three pat benatar

0:54:56records five or six Billy Joel records

0:54:59like three REM albums that aren't that

0:55:02great but like me and you know

0:55:04everything already ready Murr fear or

0:55:06the water or not

0:55:08yeah Hollywood Bowl or whatever yeah but

0:55:11I first of all its first time my

0:55:12daughter ever saw cassette tape which

0:55:15really was that link i mean i-i don't

0:55:18exaggerate it for fake comedic effect

0:55:20that was really fucking funny she opened

0:55:23up she didn't know how to open the case

0:55:24can remember like they're kind of weird

0:55:25and fragile sure i was talking about

0:55:27open

0:55:28no remember the later ones we had the

0:55:29full Jay Carney jay carlin you cards

0:55:31like all guy around you have a set of

0:55:34the they make assets of i'm sure they

0:55:36made like 50 kajillion Graham LPS but

0:55:40did you ever have two sets of like

0:55:42washing his arm to make sure that we

0:55:46never made so so the Western State

0:55:49hurricanes only ever really had a

0:55:53cassette right the less cassette right

0:55:55yeah he's still have a copy of that

0:55:57still have a couple of them you but by

0:56:00the time the first long winters record

0:56:01came out it was the everybody knew that

0:56:04cassettes were not a viable form of of

0:56:07releasing music is it strange because

0:56:09you know I a I went through a phase

0:56:13where I mean it's kind of on the bubble

0:56:14I had a stereo but let's do in my car

0:56:17circa nineteen eighty-eight of course i

0:56:19would have to dub it you know from the

0:56:21lp to the cassette that was an arch like

0:56:23to get the loudness exactly right and

0:56:25remember

0:56:26Richard had a CD player that would scan

0:56:27the entire CD to find the loudest point

0:56:30so you can set the set how cool work in

0:56:33that letter idea what they're not gonna

0:56:34beat now I might have been a Macintosh

0:56:36i'm not sure but our Fisher but probably

0:56:41the best fisherman k bye dad but yea was

0:56:44always getting intermediate like meeting

0:56:46because unless you were John Lennon you

0:56:47don't have a record player in your car

0:56:48so but here's the thing if you bought

0:56:51the cassette copy of something that

0:56:52sounded like shit compared to the album

0:56:54I I never did that once and it never

0:56:56made sense to me I would see people with

0:56:58their with the cassette liked it you

0:57:00know of of the pretenders or whatever

0:57:02and I'd be like why didn't you just buy

0:57:03the LPN recorded onto a 99-cent consent

0:57:07yeah you get to wrecked for the price of

0:57:09one it's true it's true and I mean like

0:57:12I remember a lot of Alcatraz the the

0:57:15first posters for the Steve I one had

0:57:17that on cassette had the rainbow one

0:57:20with since you been gone

0:57:21yeah like still pit box for that anyway

0:57:24this guy who is this my daughter's

0:57:25introduction to cassettes and it was her

0:57:27first major introduction to Billy Joel

0:57:28because I played a lot i think i might

0:57:31be a little bit back into Billy John

0:57:32only God he's got a couple of really

0:57:34good records

0:57:35well I mean Billy Billy Joel is perfect

0:57:37he's perfect for someone your daughter's

0:57:39age

0:57:40it's the right about it that's right

0:57:42about the state elections any season

0:57:44definitely it son saying I'm saying that

0:57:47it's kids music that didn't very hard

0:57:49today

0:57:50that's a great Jam no I think that's a

0:57:53great record

0:57:55yeah I i gotta say allentown I still

0:57:58kept myself singing it that and that is

0:58:00that is Beatles record and you know to

0:58:01get some when there's one song on there

0:58:03I know John I hate this I hate when this

0:58:05happens so many songs from about 1981 to

0:58:10even like 1990 suffer

0:58:13I'm not gonna want the gating but i'm

0:58:14just gonna say like through the eighties

0:58:15like the production is so thin it's

0:58:18crazy and that the keyboards that the

0:58:20senses are so lame

0:58:22this is one song called surprises it's

0:58:24really good don't get excited and then

0:58:27surprises

0:58:29and uh it's a really good ya heard

0:58:31that's nice

0:58:32like its it really it's got that like a

0:58:35prophet or a one of the San Francisco

0:58:37yamaha dx7 i think was before that but

0:58:39it's well god remember when the dx7 got

0:58:41popular super frustrating to it's on

0:58:44every record for the next five years

0:58:46whatever here Tina Turner want to hear

0:58:48that what's love got to do with a

0:58:49private dancer record to me it just

0:58:51sounds like somebody in a mall planet

0:58:53demo of the dx7 get right or your door

0:58:55for dinner yeah it's it's like church

0:58:58music because that's Monica that was all

0:59:00like every record

0:59:01uh-huh dx7 harmonica i said you know i

0:59:06feel like i feel like i should make a

0:59:07record with gated something I should

0:59:09make a record

0:59:09full stop if i was going to be planning

0:59:12a general plan with gated snares and dx7

0:59:17harmonicas and like yeah sure just radio

0:59:20shacks and icing like Billy Joel on no

0:59:25no you have to do you believe the goal

0:59:28you know John can give you a freebie his

0:59:31lyrics not always great and it looked

0:59:35actually sometimes just actually don't

0:59:37make sense

0:59:38I never really realized it until this

0:59:40listen through over vacation but some of

0:59:43these lyrics at one point in allentown I

0:59:46think he said something about the

0:59:47graduations hang on the wall

0:59:49yeah graduations hang on the wall but

0:59:53what does that mean

0:59:54let's me diploma it's easy money like

0:59:56mortarboard what does that mean he's

0:59:58trying to you know

0:59:58trying to you know

1:00:00I've seen in Deer Hunter uh-huh that

1:00:02that lasts 45 minutes like get to the

1:00:05part with the with the get to the dumb

1:00:07can we please get the video Vietnam I

1:00:09never 123 deliverance move on cimmino

1:00:12move on and it's in 45 minutes of them

1:00:15sitting in that bar in some upstate town

1:00:19and it's just like the broken asked

1:00:21characterization bomb went off like I'm

1:00:24and everything it's just a bunch of

1:00:25families that have been living there for

1:00:27generations and the dad worked at the

1:00:29factory in the granddad worked at the

1:00:31factory and they're just sitting in this

1:00:32bar with these these Schaefer beer signs

1:00:36on the walls and you just feel that that

1:00:39movie like the the that scene is so long

1:00:43and so like unendurable and you just

1:00:46feel like oh the the whole point of this

1:00:49is to make me feel to make me feel

1:00:52exactly what it's like to be to grow up

1:00:55in one of those shabby little

1:00:56Pennsylvania shithole towns and that is

1:01:01every time I see that scene i'm just

1:01:04transported into the mind of Billy Joel

1:01:06and I feel fulfilled its entire time

1:01:10never would have thought of that but

1:01:12you're totally right

1:01:13his whole hoopla and his whole all his

1:01:16fans they're all living in that first 45

1:01:19minutes of of deer hunter right okay

1:01:22well here's here's another one for you

1:01:23though is like you know that you know

1:01:25that one song and so Kelly across

1:01:26something interesting like Tony Tony

1:01:28Bennett and randy newman is it is in new

1:01:31york state of mine had a new york state

1:01:34of mine when he sings the song it kind

1:01:37of goes like this and like wow he's kind

1:01:40of trying to 20 but he's really kind of

1:01:42trying to do Randy Newman and it

1:01:43occurred to me like rainy Newman to his

1:01:46peril over the years or you know stupid

1:01:49people's fault but I mean he writes

1:01:51songs that are from a character's point

1:01:53of view

1:01:54yeah like short people is not about

1:01:56short people being inferior it's about

1:01:58some dickhead anything short people are

1:01:59inferior in some ways I mi6 from this

1:02:02character he sings as a slave master

1:02:04trying he's the expert and Billy Joel

1:02:07sings from a character that every

1:02:08character is him

1:02:09it's like but it's the first draft of a

1:02:12five-paragraph essay you know I was not

1:02:14convinced that voice that you're here

1:02:16and is actually Billy Joel singing like

1:02:18John Lennon singing like Tony been all

1:02:21I'm gonna send you I'm gonna send you a

1:02:22song the what's it called

1:02:24Layla Layla Charon Jennifer some song on

1:02:26the nylon curtain which is a very good i

1:02:28like Karen Jennifer yeah the time waits

1:02:31on Iran drawn a calorie accomplishment

1:02:35for chase Alexander the Great

1:02:38sure here you go to change that you

1:02:43liked you so that your graduation read

1:02:46this to you so the graduations hang on

1:02:47the wall but they've never really helped

1:02:49us at all

1:02:50no they never taught us what was real

1:02:52iron-on graduations and coke chromium

1:02:56steel that's right those are really the

1:02:59graduation thing on the wall but they

1:03:00never really helped us at all

1:03:02no they never taught us was real lucky

1:03:04graduations I'm telling you it grabs you

1:03:06just said is to be a name you here at

1:03:08Yad go to but it's a good record i'm

1:03:11telling you all right

1:03:13there's just one song that really sounds

1:03:14like it like its I don't know you it's

1:03:17weird he also lives in that weird zone

1:03:19where it's like you can't tell if it's a

1:03:20parody or not

1:03:22no no I didn't you can tell but it is a

1:03:24parity and he thinks it doesn't read as

1:03:26a parody it reads like a parody but it

1:03:28certainly internation chance you know

1:03:31any certain ways of seeing that you go

1:03:32Oh only Brian Wilson nobody seems like

1:03:35that except Brian Wilson for example I

1:03:37mean sure but she's you know he's used

1:03:38to chewing up the carpet it means that

1:03:40like in these casinos up in Schenectady

1:03:44and man and that's a you know that's

1:03:49like he's lost he's like David

1:03:51Copperfield he's lost any sense of I

1:03:54need to any luck he lost in 72 we never

1:03:56had it but you know i'm not talking

1:03:59about a fair sound like a cuddle

1:04:03I'm coming at it from a different

1:04:04perspective because of course as well as

1:04:06you remember I grew up in an in America

1:04:08but also far away from America in the

1:04:11great state of Alaska and loading here

1:04:13for it like a great cloud that's right

1:04:15America was already kind of a fetish

1:04:18item to us

1:04:19because these places were incredibly

1:04:21exotic like eastern Pennsylvania some

1:04:25some Adirondack mining town had was as

1:04:31exotic a place as as any place in the

1:04:35Ural Mountains to us you know what I

1:04:37mean like it wasn't just as foreign and

1:04:39so I can I came at all of that culture

1:04:44that then and include like Johnny little

1:04:47Johnny cougar and a pipe bomb she does

1:04:50oh and and and Bruce I mean now all of

1:04:55these guys and what I'm doing John

1:04:58Cougar kinda like that that farm aid

1:05:00phase where you got all that out loud

1:05:02and online who produces record yet that

1:05:06who's this little babrak yes Bob rocky

1:05:11went from kiss to john cougar but you

1:05:13know anything that Americans producing

1:05:16Shania Twain no that's my slang

1:05:20alright what about mutt lange it's also

1:05:23been a model objects

1:05:24I'm sorry I interrupted you yes but

1:05:26they're all fake heartland people well

1:05:28and that and that sense of Heartland was

1:05:30a thing that I already I already only

1:05:33understood as a cartoon right it was not

1:05:36a thing that we had direct exposure to

1:05:38so it seemed cartoonish already it's

1:05:41like the first time you land in New York

1:05:43and you walk up to a copier like a which

1:05:45way is the world trade center and the

1:05:47guy turns and he's like oh yeah you look

1:05:50for the World Trade Center a whatever

1:05:52and you're like what the fuck you're

1:05:54real

1:05:55oh yeah yeah that's like the that's like

1:05:57legit the Transit Authority like you

1:05:59hear all these jokes about there you go

1:06:01there like oh my god this is exactly

1:06:03what I imagined and it's horrible

1:06:06is that what's called us but that was

1:06:07that the place being wonders what am I

1:06:09thinking of what's called the not

1:06:10something and that's the Chicago out

1:06:12might think chicago transit authority

1:06:13yet it is not that the bus terminal but

1:06:17yeah you know what I mean you go in

1:06:19there just all like people laying in

1:06:21urine and nobody's actually waiting for

1:06:23any transit but you know even like

1:06:26what's funny though is with people like

1:06:27like Bob Seger god bless him he's got

1:06:29some good songs but then it's like sure

1:06:31down like a rock like commercial thing

1:06:33is something i guess i'm glad that made

1:06:35some money but like it was it exactly

1:06:36underscored like how silly that kind of

1:06:39like fake earnest you know successful

1:06:42rock musician thing is well and that and

1:06:45Jesus that mean that is the jumping-off

1:06:47point for for the deck kind of the whole

1:06:50cultural thought

1:06:52love it or leave it american culture and

1:06:55I guess it existed a long time before me

1:06:57Bob Seger was it was a cartoon with

1:07:00billy joel and Bob's here were kind of

1:07:02got a caricature and it was a cartoon

1:07:05when Bruce Springsteen was caricaturing

1:07:07it because it's a thing that goes back

1:07:09to what the war mean those guys are

1:07:11being nostalgic about World War to write

1:07:13more about their fathers their fathers

1:07:17experiences of coming home and coming

1:07:20home to this you know where we're all

1:07:22still suffering PTSD from having won the

1:07:26war and then not creating a utopia but

1:07:29instead 20-inch lasers at least having a

1:07:32time-release right recently said yeah

1:07:35yes exactly i think that's that's what

1:07:36kind of kicks kicked off a lot of that

1:07:38that stat a strain in some ways but also

1:07:42just the fact that there was a time in

1:07:44america american free tom was male with

1:07:49a high school education could get a job

1:07:51in an automobile factory or pink i'm not

1:07:54sure but you are but that was I mean

1:07:55that was a thing I mean GI Bill like

1:07:57that was there was a big you can get a

1:08:00graphic about it but that was a pretty

1:08:01good time and I'm really because the

1:08:03snatcher that well I sub i was reading

1:08:07this book

1:08:08not very long ago called the farm me see

1:08:12if I can find a copy of it here a book

1:08:14called the farm and it was written it

1:08:20was written in the early part of the

1:08:2420th century but in a very modern voice

1:08:26and it's a book of it's a sort of a

1:08:33nostalgic but but wise worldly book

1:08:38about this this this guy kind of looking

1:08:43back in his own family

1:08:45to the to the settling of the planes you

1:08:50know to a time when when his

1:08:53great-grandfather arrived in ohio and

1:08:56cleared the land and built the farmhouse

1:09:01that today is the oldest building in

1:09:04cleveland or something

1:09:05you're the oldest building in in akron

1:09:08let's say and at the time it was just

1:09:11all farm and they you know they lived

1:09:14together in one room while they were

1:09:16clearing the forest and eventually built

1:09:18on a second room and then a third room

1:09:20and pretty soon it they built this

1:09:22mansion and this book the farm it we

1:09:30were able from from our perspective

1:09:32yours in mind to cast back in our own

1:09:36imaginations and through our family

1:09:41histories and newsreels and books you

1:09:43know we can get back only so far before

1:09:47the reality of historical times becomes

1:09:52a becomes just a a just kind of a

1:09:56constellation of images right we don't

1:09:58have any sense of what it was really

1:09:59like we just have we just to put

1:10:02together some pictures in our mind from

1:10:04books and movies and so forth but this

1:10:07guy was writing this book at a time when

1:10:09a time prior to prior to really much

1:10:18very much media where he was a modern

1:10:21person in a modern writer a modern

1:10:22thinker but he was he had access to his

1:10:26grandparents who are still alive who

1:10:30were pre Civil War homesteaders and they

1:10:36were able to tell stories about their

1:10:37grandparents who arrived on the scene in

1:10:401790 or whatever and so he was able to

1:10:43write about this stuff in a very direct

1:10:44way in a way that wasn't mitigated by

1:10:49having seen a lot of movies about and

1:10:52also you know who he didn't see it you

1:10:55know he was hearing about

1:10:57the pioneer times and talking about them

1:10:59in more more or less as a as a as a

1:11:04still very a live game of telephone he

1:11:09was like this is like the first order

1:11:11think he wasn't he wasn't removed from

1:11:13it and like reading about it or seen

1:11:16movies you're saying is like had direct

1:11:18access to this

1:11:19ya like like his great-great-great

1:11:20great-grandfather had five kids and the

1:11:25descendants of all of those five

1:11:28children were all people that he still

1:11:32knew or knew about like he could he

1:11:35could say like then this house got built

1:11:38over here and this clan lived in hit you

1:11:42know it was it was it there was a

1:11:44certain point where that got incredibly

1:11:47splintered at the end of the 19th

1:11:48century and now nobody can go

1:11:51nobody has the ability and in America

1:11:54except very few people to say like five

1:11:58six generations back and i still know

1:12:00all the cousins or I know who they are I

1:12:03know their names and I know I know where

1:12:07they ended up you know like that whether

1:12:09the great migrations of of of immigrants

1:12:12in the late 19th century just america's

1:12:14population just explode and everybody

1:12:16went running for the running for the

1:12:18corners but anyway this book is this

1:12:21book is a spectacular kind of glimpse of

1:12:25because he is experiencing nostalgia to

1:12:30he's experiencing nostalgia for sleigh

1:12:34rides you know that currier and ives

1:12:37nostalgia that we don't even know we

1:12:41don't even know where week we see we see

1:12:43a picture or we sing A Christmas Carol

1:12:45people riding in a sleigh horse-drawn

1:12:47sleigh and it's just it's just kind of a

1:12:50it's kichar it's part of our collective

1:12:52culture but this guy is saying like it's

1:12:55like carolers in a Dickens right like

1:12:59tableau or something

1:13:00yeah and he is talking with nostalgia

1:13:03about these things which have been lost

1:13:05to the motorcar

1:13:07in it but but again in a way that makes

1:13:10you really feel really feel it firsthand

1:13:14and we recognize that voice of like oh

1:13:19well used to be

1:13:20it used to be that a man could make his

1:13:22living off the land and it used to be

1:13:25that a you know like sure we had a we

1:13:30had an indentured servant who lived here

1:13:32but we put it we put his kids in

1:13:36somebody there to help out for free on

1:13:38farms yeah he liked their subsidies that

1:13:40are black people that and this was that

1:13:42you know are indentured servant was was

1:13:44an Irish guy but he came over here you

1:13:46know we paid his passage or whatever

1:13:48right and he worked for us his entire

1:13:51life but his kids you know went to

1:13:54school and became you know and one of

1:13:56them is a barber a little Sheamus and so

1:13:59you know but you're reading this kind of

1:14:00story and and I don't know if it it

1:14:03whenever I think about whenever I think

1:14:06about the nostalgia because by that by

1:14:08the time the nostalgia wave has reached

1:14:11us

1:14:13I mean eighty-five percent of what we

1:14:16think of as American culture is just

1:14:17this is just like misremembered

1:14:20nostalgic long mythology right right

1:14:25we were so we're such self mythologize

1:14:27were such a young country still and yet

1:14:29we have all these you know we have all

1:14:32these epic heroes and all these you know

1:14:34fallin fallin martyrs and and the the

1:14:40race of technology of the last 200 years

1:14:43it feels like an American story more

1:14:45than more than any other you so you can

1:14:47say like well a motor car was invented

1:14:49in the UK but it's really an American

1:14:51story and all these things are American

1:14:53steam engines

1:14:55so when i say when i hear that when i

1:14:58hear that Billy Joel nostalgia for the

1:15:02for the post-war factory worker in the

1:15:07context of like even the even the 40

1:15:12years before his dad got a job at the

1:15:15mill let alone the hundred and forty

1:15:18years before it just feels like oh I

1:15:24gotta bury got a theory on that I mean I

1:15:27i have my life is full of mythologies

1:15:29and stories and stuff and you know ways

1:15:31of understanding the world but I mean

1:15:34until you become seen on life

1:15:35information and memories really only

1:15:38flow one way things never ending is your

1:15:40life rarely become less complicated as

1:15:42you get older and and the stories that

1:15:45you tell you tend to tell so I guess I'm

1:15:47trying to say is we start with ourselves

1:15:48and say like oh gosh haha boy I wish I

1:15:50was 14 again I would do that differently

1:15:52or you know i wish i had a job making

1:15:56the you know equivalent of what i make

1:15:57now except they spent less and you know

1:16:00what I would have done anything

1:16:01differently back then it was a simple

1:16:03everything was simple

1:16:04I mean that's how it feels everything

1:16:04physically you remember your pain you

1:16:06know you remember things like that you

1:16:07remember heartbreak or tragedy but by

1:16:10and large I think we yesterday seems

1:16:12less complicated than tomorrow for the

1:16:14prospect of tomorrow and I think that is

1:16:16not so different with the stories we

1:16:17tell ourselves and that's why we always

1:16:19get back to this things used to be

1:16:20simpler like every generation thinks the

1:16:22kids are are getting stupid and

1:16:24dangerous

1:16:24there's never been a generation that

1:16:26thought their kids were better than they

1:16:28were they meant if wanted more for them

1:16:30but they think they got more sass mouth

1:16:31there they're having more intercourse

1:16:34they're doing more alcohol and drugs to

1:16:35do more dangerous careless things that

1:16:37are not having to work as hard

1:16:38I don't think there's that many

1:16:39generations that that has have skipped

1:16:41on that I think almost everybody feels

1:16:43like they worked harder than their kids

1:16:44and their parents probably worked harder

1:16:46than them and and and everything used to

1:16:48seem simpler but you know what things

1:16:50were simpler they're simpler because a

1:16:51bunch of people died because there were

1:16:53no vaccinations and regular because

1:16:55white people ran everything and you

1:16:57didn't have to be confused by the black

1:16:58lady at the starbucks and it was simpler

1:17:00in a way that benefit you but like use

1:17:03you know the thing is the good old days

1:17:05weren't all that good

1:17:06and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems

1:17:08your kids that Billy Joel eric 08 before

1:17:14that was me

1:17:15oh god I picked the balls i think it's

1:17:23true though I think people are always

1:17:24there they are pining for the fjords

1:17:26they're always looking back to those

1:17:28days that seems so simple and they

1:17:30weren't they weren't simple like all

1:17:31those times that like your little kid

1:17:33and you remember that way because he

1:17:35didn't know enough to know how fucked up

1:17:37everything was no I think you can get

1:17:39past that whole like how much people

1:17:40just used to die for dumb reasons

1:17:42literally losing the hand losing a hand

1:17:45of farm machinery getting some dumb

1:17:47disease i told you about a I don't get

1:17:49into it I told you about a health scare

1:17:50my family had the other day there was

1:17:52some turned out to be not what we

1:17:54worried it would be that was fucking

1:17:55harrowing I mean we found out that our

1:17:57family have potentially been exposed to

1:17:59a deadly disease and as it turned out it

1:18:02was a mixup at the hospital but I don't

1:18:06get into a bit but like that's the kind

1:18:07of thing used to having people all the

1:18:08time they go oh by the way your kid's

1:18:11gonna be blind lose an arm because they

1:18:13did this one thing that's what like you

1:18:15still get a wholly-owned you're gonna

1:18:16walk around with the with a brace on

1:18:17your leg flexes you're staying in the

1:18:19house from now on and not going outside

1:18:20and breathing well I mean this is why

1:18:22there for many years and I and I cannot

1:18:25escape this this idea even still i am

1:18:28one of the people and I you may scoff

1:18:30but I'm one of the people that he may I

1:18:34i allow you to scott also incidentally

1:18:36yeah I found the book the farm here and

1:18:39it is written by Lewis bromfield if

1:18:41anybody's interested field Louis

1:18:42bromfield he can't see us

1:18:46I'm one of these people who continues to

1:18:50hold out the possibility that he will

1:18:52sell everything and move on to a

1:18:53sailboat

1:18:55and as as much as I recognize that that

1:18:59is a that is put a terrible idea

1:19:05I also a it's an inescapable one like I

1:19:08keep feeling like at some point i am

1:19:11going to have to do this because I so my

1:19:16mom's boyfriend that that that will

1:19:20cover just Johnny roads to her that

1:19:22relationship has run its course

1:19:24oh really that had happened very fast is

1:19:26fast at the long weekend didn't go so

1:19:28that's that will know I think it went

1:19:30well but it's just you know it's just a

1:19:31fortunately for me my mother is still

1:19:36herself and did not get swept away she

1:19:39can take that pumps and everything is

1:19:41back to normal she came but you came

1:19:42back to her senses but it but but the

1:19:45experience of i see i guess it's an

1:19:49experience that I that I have going to

1:19:51going to so many estate sales with the

1:19:57with with a our mutual friend Chad I got

1:20:02we go to a lot of state sales or he goes

1:20:03to a lot more than I do you know you

1:20:06come into these people's houses and you

1:20:07see their collections and you see them

1:20:09and you see that they were hoping that

1:20:11their things were going to stave off

1:20:13death and he realized that all of the

1:20:17you know they're 150 shot glasses in a

1:20:21in a custom-made case on the wall all

1:20:25they are all they ended up being because

1:20:27their kids don't want them all they

1:20:28ended up being was just another thing

1:20:30that some estate sale company had to put

1:20:33a little price tag on and it and a lot

1:20:36of it gets old and some of it just goes

1:20:38to the thrift store but you you go into

1:20:41these houses and you say like oh right

1:20:43everybody's trying to like hoarding and

1:20:46collecting crapple is exceptionally

1:20:50common it seems like maybe one of the

1:20:52number one ways that people

1:20:56that people build a framework to hold

1:20:59back time are they build up build some

1:21:02sugar candy Montgomery damn yeah right

1:21:06like no no no I'm gonna be like books

1:21:09they had never read that they will never

1:21:11read and and useless item upon useless

1:21:15item and I come back it's also it's also

1:21:17like an aspiration think it's like all

1:21:18the things that should happen as well

1:21:20right right the yacht club that they

1:21:22that they one day are going to join the

1:21:24sailboat there one day going to move

1:21:26onto and I look at my own collection of

1:21:29everything and I golike ok I'll I for

1:21:35instance i love our crumb and over the

1:21:39years I have collected a just not not as

1:21:42a collector but just out of interest in

1:21:44him I have collected a great number of

1:21:47our crumb comics because I every time I

1:21:52saw when I would buy because i like

1:21:53because i like his art and now I hold

1:21:57them I hold on to them because part of

1:22:01me imagines that one day I will

1:22:03introduce my children to the work of our

1:22:07chrome and they and their minds will be

1:22:08expanded but I know that that is not

1:22:11going to happen like the chances of the

1:22:15chances of like my daughter going

1:22:19through my books and finding our crumb

1:22:21and finding him at all interesting or

1:22:23appealing are like next 20 it's about

1:22:26ourselves so yeah so I'm carrying these

1:22:28are chrome with me and I look at my I'm

1:22:31in my forties right now I'm looking at

1:22:33these are crumbs on on the shelf and I'm

1:22:35thinking oh I could be i could slip

1:22:37these around for 40 more years and then

1:22:40never maybe I'll read them one more time

1:22:43but like I don't consult them they are

1:22:47books that are there they're among the

1:22:48ten thousand books i have back to this

1:22:50problem you talk about on time ago that

1:22:52think there's cubic inches of your life

1:22:55that we take being taken up by all these

1:22:57things that you have this like uncertain

1:22:59non-existent or unnecessary relationship

1:23:01too right yeah like by and I begin

1:23:03somewhere inches its cubic-inch

1:23:05especially that's the important thing

1:23:06it's got depth i'm beginning to think

1:23:08that and wait

1:23:09all go everything including I mean

1:23:13including everything but the very

1:23:15smallest box of family photos you know

1:23:19the rest of it like if I need to read

1:23:23the hobbit again i can find i think i

1:23:26can find one day I can find a copy and

1:23:30you know and the copy you know the copy

1:23:33of The Hobbit i have is something I

1:23:35checked out from the library

1:23:3730 years ago and never returned it still

1:23:39has the Dewey Decimal tags on the side i

1:23:42should probably take it back i should

1:23:44probably I should do one of those

1:23:45library think it's like a former coach

1:23:46on

1:23:47I mean as long as you don't commit the

1:23:48crime now it's okay that you keep the

1:23:50old one you can have eaten any camera

1:23:52for commission right you can have a

1:23:54bitch for you know what you could do

1:23:56what you could do is you could certainly

1:23:58do that that's a little bit crazy and

1:24:00seems like the beginning of self-harm

1:24:02but you could also do is this is to keep

1:24:04your favorite your favorite candelabra

1:24:07your favorite pair of cowboy boots your

1:24:09favorite brow playboy box the rest up

1:24:11put it in a storage shed for six months

1:24:13and see how you feel about him and then

1:24:15if you want so you know what I mrs.

1:24:16Brown's boys but I'm gonna frame five of

1:24:18them and put them on the wall and make

1:24:21it a making a thing because right now

1:24:22i'm gonna miss the inertia let me see if

1:24:24i could say what your problem is you

1:24:25know what is that stuff hasn't moved in

1:24:27either of you and that's another here's

1:24:29here's the thing John going to talk

1:24:31about here

1:24:33you can't sliced tomato unless you buy a

1:24:35knife and that's gonna hurt my back five

1:24:38minutes I don't know showing on anymore

1:24:39because dr. Phil's sound like Bill

1:24:41Clinton or is your dr. Phil just I just

1:24:43I i used to have different southern

1:24:45voices and now they are kind of selling

1:24:46foghorn leghorn up for one of each and

1:24:53put the rest away the exercise will be

1:24:55good for you

1:24:55it's not that costly and I know this is

1:24:58a is a hacked on a bacon hack but you

1:25:01know it's an old trick that lots of

1:25:02people suggested which is that you know

1:25:03if you got some kibble around the house

1:25:05under your big the located in a lot of

1:25:07people you get rid of that stuff put in

1:25:10a bag or box for the date on it and if

1:25:11you don't need anything from the box and

1:25:13six months throw it away

1:25:14nothing she did it for broke playboy

1:25:15that special materials give this to me

1:25:17if you need to get rid of them but well

1:25:19I can't I can't escape like when I was

1:25:21younger when I was a younger

1:25:23and I was acquiring these things because

1:25:25I was imagining populating myfuturelife

1:25:29with them

1:25:30absolutely and imagine the big like

1:25:32Bruce Wayne library with all that stuff

1:25:34and like a globe rights right right

1:25:36people would come into my house and they

1:25:37would be astonished by my by my one

1:25:39half-scale replica of the fucker tribe

1:25:43they would say my god man does it fly

1:25:47and I said honey is so eclectic I got in

1:25:51Africa rafa but now i'm in my life i am

1:25:54presently in the escape it and all of

1:25:58this stuff is it

1:25:59I literally do have a Bruce Wayne

1:26:01library that that that has I not a

1:26:05half-scale Fokker triplane but tri-motor

1:26:08but a bit like a one-eighth-scale and my

1:26:12red red baron plane know the fucker

1:26:15tri-motor was a was a piano fucker right

1:26:17that was a well let's see what the

1:26:21record Aaron oh wait a minute i am

1:26:24conflating two airplanes the Fokker

1:26:26triplane and be ford trimotor oh that's

1:26:32right motor was a was a 3 engine

1:26:35passenger plane the handsome a high and

1:26:39and the Fokker airplane in the scale it

1:26:44would look great in a study but it but

1:26:46alongside all the other things it's

1:26:48accumulating yes well it'sit's not it

1:26:51isn't just that it's continuously

1:26:52accumulating it's like you're saying i

1:26:54feel i feel like a like yo soul the

1:26:58Austrian glacier man stuck stuck with my

1:27:03little bag of of of muesli it definitely

1:27:08need to get rid of some puts and my my

1:27:11homemade herb for boots is it from a

1:27:13commercial or a book now you know the

1:27:15guy I'm talking about ricola yeah but

1:27:19the but yeah that guy the one that was

1:27:21though that that now they've decided was

1:27:23killed in a battle still not enough not

1:27:26to sound like a lost right now and him

1:27:29you don't talk about the guy in the in

1:27:30the cough drop commercial no i'm talking

1:27:33about the prehistoric man who was frozen

1:27:36in a glacier in

1:27:37still that's that's not Lucy not Lucy no

1:27:40okay Lucy is just a bone fragment and a

1:27:43story

1:27:44nice this is a classy this is it said

1:27:48about ladies all that Lucy's just a

1:27:50fragment of a jaw and a good tale but

1:27:56this guy okay

1:27:57the Austrian his name's not yo soul

1:27:59honey think that's a million sorry I'm

1:28:03tired after tea you know whatever his

1:28:05name is beautiful

1:28:06mhm no soul it's a the Paleolithic a

1:28:09bugler right right who who died on a

1:28:13glacier and was frozen for for literally

1:28:16thousands of years

1:28:17ok and the whole time he was in a

1:28:20glacier with his little bag of of of

1:28:24grain and his his his quiver of arrows

1:28:26he was probably thinking I don't have so

1:28:29much stuff i'm a little lost the

1:28:31analogies this is you your notes or I'm

1:28:35yo to my stuff is the glacier and what's

1:28:38the grain but a getting very hot today

1:28:50salt shaker by accident