Roderick on the Line

Ep. 74: "The Omnibus of Wilburforce"


00:00:00   hello John [TS]

00:00:07   I Merlin is going good [TS]

00:00:12   yeah gold finger [TS]

00:00:20   well yeah that just sitting here being [TS]

00:00:25   Goldfinger sounds a little dirty [TS]

00:00:28   in retrospect uh-huh right right [TS]

00:00:31   how would how would a normal guy like me [TS]

00:00:33   get to be Goldfinger huh [TS]

00:00:35   there's there's no good there's no good [TS]

00:00:38   option unless unless you think like [TS]

00:00:40   peanut butter is gold [TS]

00:00:42   I think the same way you get to Carnegie [TS]

00:00:43   Hall Carnegie you can't miss practice [TS]

00:00:48   isn't a del karnegi yeah Dale Dale [TS]

00:00:51   Carnegie how to win friends and make it [TS]

00:00:54   to my hall and I pronounced that wrong [TS]

00:00:55   didn't I [TS]

00:00:56   I don't know but Dale Dale Carnegie he's [TS]

00:01:00   these disable hands you're pregnant [TS]

00:01:03   right are different tho those are [TS]

00:01:05   different kind of monkeys [TS]

00:01:06   maybe the magnet he is a magnet you [TS]

00:01:08   pronounce this differently magnates is [TS]

00:01:10   anybody it's like putting shit I said [TS]

00:01:12   magnate yeah but I'd but I i I've been [TS]

00:01:16   recently I've been kind of called out on [TS]

00:01:20   on my the pronunciation of the word [TS]

00:01:22   dearth because i pronounce it Darth I [TS]

00:01:26   always have [TS]

00:01:28   there's a dark there's a Darth of [TS]

00:01:29   available gals at this party and I think [TS]

00:01:34   we have I think we actually have a [TS]

00:01:36   program an episode of our visits call [TS]

00:01:39   darth of options [TS]

00:01:40   oh so we've covered this no no no no [TS]

00:01:43   because I never gonna be honest I never [TS]

00:01:45   used to worry about how i pronounce [TS]

00:01:47   things and now i'm coming a little [TS]

00:01:48   self-conscious about it if it is an [TS]

00:01:50   obvious some of the some of the ways [TS]

00:01:52   that you pronounce things are [TS]

00:01:53   spectacular [TS]

00:01:54   I have to say it's one of its one of the [TS]

00:01:56   great things about you doc clitoris you [TS]

00:01:59   are special pronunciations although i [TS]

00:02:02   think clitoris is [TS]

00:02:03   that's within the clitoris it's within [TS]

00:02:07   the realm clitoris clitoris that's [TS]

00:02:08   tomato tomahto [TS]

00:02:09   mhm but react Carnegie Hall we should [TS]

00:02:17   probably should probably start over I [TS]

00:02:18   you know I think you know me I don't [TS]

00:02:21   like to stress too much about these [TS]

00:02:22   things but I worry that hurts my [TS]

00:02:23   credibility that you that you you're [TS]

00:02:26   afraid that people don't take you [TS]

00:02:28   seriously because you mispronounce words [TS]

00:02:31   I think there's plenty of reasons to not [TS]

00:02:33   take me seriously i right [TS]

00:02:36   but but you're mispronunciation of words [TS]

00:02:38   is so intentional it is largely it's [TS]

00:02:40   largely intentional yes [TS]

00:02:42   yeah but maybe i'm just throwing those [TS]

00:02:43   in the kind of pops [TS]

00:02:46   hell yeah that makes sense but I mean [TS]

00:02:48   you know that I i feel that being [TS]

00:02:51   book-learned being self-educated that's [TS]

00:02:54   book-learning it big self-educated via [TS]

00:02:58   books is nothing to be ashamed of [TS]

00:03:01   and when people like swoop in and set [TS]

00:03:04   and enter and get all like get their [TS]

00:03:06   panties riding high because you [TS]

00:03:09   mispronounced something whether when [TS]

00:03:10   you're using the word properly it's just [TS]

00:03:14   that you learned it from a book like [TS]

00:03:17   that there's no shame in that [TS]

00:03:20   I think it's a huge problem now I've [TS]

00:03:21   talked to up a bunch of people about [TS]

00:03:23   this i got himself elected him to bring [TS]

00:03:26   this up there's been a and so we can all [TS]

00:03:28   this i will cut all this outfit for [TS]

00:03:30   example and I don't actually want this [TS]

00:03:31   avoid saying the word but there is a [TS]

00:03:33   certain graphical file format that has [TS]

00:03:35   for years been pronounced very different [TS]

00:03:38   gift it's a gift but i think it goes [TS]

00:03:42   back to the same root problem which [TS]

00:03:45   today even for people as agent is as US [TS]

00:03:48   but I i I'm so much of what I've learned [TS]

00:03:51   in the last time resident is that work [TS]

00:03:55   so much time when I was clean and the [TS]

00:03:57   last so much of what I've always blamed [TS]

00:04:00   quickly and made but somebody mr. [TS]

00:04:02   president everything in the [TS]

00:04:03   Shakespearean way o.o that chicks Betty [TS]

00:04:07   and drag oh yeah like my communications [TS]

00:04:09   quite TS Eliot but don't know how to say [TS]

00:04:11   carnegie hall but my communications [TS]

00:04:13   professor at the University of [TS]

00:04:14   Washington 20 years ago said when when a [TS]

00:04:18   word sat on a word the definition of the [TS]

00:04:21   word is the sound of the word that's [TS]

00:04:23   called on amano payee onomatopoetic [TS]

00:04:28   onomatopoeia all from the Greek from the [TS]

00:04:32   Greek and and you know and I course [TS]

00:04:34   raise my hand was like I've heard that a [TS]

00:04:36   lot as onomatopoeia and he left up on [TS]

00:04:39   his desk is like exactly wrong everyone [TS]

00:04:42   pronounces that word wrong it [TS]

00:04:44   amana pee yeah so I've been pronouncing [TS]

00:04:48   it that way for 20 years just all [TS]

00:04:50   sometimes you just wanna and you know [TS]

00:04:52   Bosh of this guy [TS]

00:04:53   yeah let's be honest I mean our casino [TS]

00:04:55   has roots in this I mean you know the [TS]

00:04:57   the hair okay so here's the problem is [TS]

00:05:00   that much of what i have almost finished [TS]

00:05:02   reading and in the last 10 to 15 years [TS]

00:05:05   has come from the internet or Internet [TS]

00:05:07   as you say sir and and iĆ­ve talked [TS]

00:05:11   about so many my friends of her people [TS]

00:05:13   on on on podcasts saying i don't really [TS]

00:05:16   know how to say this word i've read this [TS]

00:05:18   word [TS]

00:05:19   dozens or many cases maybe even hundreds [TS]

00:05:22   of times i know so much about this topic [TS]

00:05:25   but I are the persons name like I've [TS]

00:05:27   been reading that reading what this [TS]

00:05:28   person says for so long but this is so [TS]

00:05:31   embarrassing but hit enter have you [TS]

00:05:33   encountered that like you hear you read [TS]

00:05:34   something over and over and then the [TS]

00:05:36   first time you find yourself [TS]

00:05:38   vocalizing the word you have no idea how [TS]

00:05:41   to actually say it [TS]

00:05:42   yeah that happens to me constantly but [TS]

00:05:44   up but i feel like the most embarrassing [TS]

00:05:46   example of this was when I was about ten [TS]

00:05:49   years old I was with my dad somewhere [TS]

00:05:51   and it was like a Rotary Club meeting it [TS]

00:05:55   wasn't a restaurant or something it was [TS]

00:05:56   a Rotary Club meeting where where there [TS]

00:05:58   were lots of guys in bolo ties it was a [TS]

00:06:02   you know important were there men around [TS]

00:06:04   and I was standing there talking to my [TS]

00:06:08   dad and somebody said something you're [TS]

00:06:10   about he he he replied to some-some [TS]

00:06:14   conversational gambits in a way that [TS]

00:06:16   seemed to my ten-year-old mind you know [TS]

00:06:19   the slightly dubious and I went oh pshaw [TS]

00:06:24   and it was like a record was like a the [TS]

00:06:28   stylus across a record like my dad said [TS]

00:06:31   oh my stars and goddess [TS]

00:06:33   well 1010 fully grown adult man look [TS]

00:06:36   down means like a gas and my dad said [TS]

00:06:39   did you just tell me to piss off [TS]

00:06:42   what and I was like huh no a sha sha sha [TS]

00:06:48   ppsh-41 you sure because i had been [TS]

00:06:53   reading I think that's an onomatopoeia [TS]

00:06:55   attic but it isn't push our [TS]

00:06:57   this is the funny thing peshawar is a is [TS]

00:07:00   a comic book rendering of how it's like [TS]

00:07:04   reciprocity single-breasted he's a fake [TS]

00:07:06   cursing it's not a word [TS]

00:07:08   it's just a sound that you you you would [TS]

00:07:11   only think was a word because you had [TS]

00:07:12   read in comic books are in novels are [TS]

00:07:14   you kidding me [TS]

00:07:15   no it's not a word I thought it was like [TS]

00:07:18   a Scarlett O'Hara thing i thought of [TS]

00:07:20   something the ladies said when they were [TS]

00:07:22   saying oh I'm discounting what you said [TS]

00:07:24   no it's just a sound that it'sit's it is [TS]

00:07:27   it is it is [TS]

00:07:29   yeah onomatopoeia or is it is the [TS]

00:07:31   expression of a sound of air escaping in [TS]

00:07:34   frustration and and my dad laughed he [TS]

00:07:37   laughed but it was a hard laughs and and [TS]

00:07:42   he's laughing at you and he said that's [TS]

00:07:45   not a word that is a you are you are you [TS]

00:07:49   know he explained it to me and I mean I [TS]

00:07:51   was tomato red because all these you [TS]

00:07:55   know these guys 1980 in Alaska some of [TS]

00:07:58   these guys had had you know killed a [TS]

00:08:00   moose with their bare hands or whatever [TS]

00:08:02   and they anything they are they they [TS]

00:08:05   turned so fast you know they heard piss [TS]

00:08:07   off from me and turned so fast it was [TS]

00:08:10   like the room got ice cold and I'm [TS]

00:08:13   standing there trying to explain like no [TS]

00:08:15   it's like in Mad Magazine when somebody [TS]

00:08:17   says you know snorkel Fras or whatever [TS]

00:08:19   they're less offensive snuggle brand not [TS]

00:08:21   evident not having one that's always it [TS]

00:08:24   more that you were i was more that you [TS]

00:08:25   were sounding insulting or or that [TS]

00:08:29   you're saying something nonsensical know [TS]

00:08:31   once they understood once they [TS]

00:08:33   understood that it was just a case of me [TS]

00:08:35   up it was you know it's an example of [TS]

00:08:37   precociousness you have read more than [TS]

00:08:40   you then you know you've read more than [TS]

00:08:44   you can support but i do anything about [TS]

00:08:47   that up against the code that first [TS]

00:08:50   discussed that and they were cut they [TS]

00:08:54   were you know disposed more kindly to me [TS]

00:08:57   when they realized that I wasn't you [TS]

00:08:59   know that I wasn't like actually saying [TS]

00:09:02   piss off which was the thing I was about [TS]

00:09:04   to get hit for I never I've never heard [TS]

00:09:06   that but I realized then [TS]

00:09:09   that there that there were tons and tons [TS]

00:09:12   of words that I that I was that I was [TS]

00:09:16   saying very confidently and when I [TS]

00:09:19   really looked at them in books i [TS]

00:09:21   realized that i had transposed the [TS]

00:09:24   bowels or i have had left out a key [TS]

00:09:29   syllable out like you started you seen [TS]

00:09:31   it so much she started chucking it like [TS]

00:09:32   incorrectly right or I had a lot of [TS]

00:09:35   times i added an extra syllable two [TS]

00:09:37   words just because it seems like that [TS]

00:09:40   that was a much better word than the [TS]

00:09:42   actual word like more levels definitely [TS]

00:09:46   helps and makes you sound a little [TS]

00:09:47   fancier if you can come up with a longer [TS]

00:09:49   Latin aight word like for instance the [TS]

00:09:51   laminate is that right yeah that's right [TS]

00:09:54   the word physiognomy oh this I for a [TS]

00:09:59   long time i pronounce it fizzy on me [TS]

00:10:02   Oh physiognomies me and and at a certain [TS]

00:10:07   point i pronounced it wrong and and then [TS]

00:10:10   couldn't figure out the correct [TS]

00:10:13   pronunciation and now i just i mostly [TS]

00:10:15   leave it out of the conversation because [TS]

00:10:17   I can't like physiognomy physio book on [TS]

00:10:21   me but you may be operating at two [TS]

00:10:23   high-level your vocal and I think that's [TS]

00:10:27   true in writing i am I mean I really i [TS]

00:10:30   finally bought our household a an actual [TS]

00:10:33   big Webster's dictionary because i use [TS]

00:10:35   don't you like you I used to love [TS]

00:10:37   reading you know reference books [TS]

00:10:38   encyclopedias encyclopedia ii [TS]

00:10:39   encyclopedia like what a bia I'm gonna [TS]

00:10:43   start using more to give thongs and [TS]

00:10:45   ligatures that's a great guy voices EP [TS]

00:10:48   but the um but but you know and again i [TS]

00:10:51   will find myself looking at [TS]

00:10:52   pronunciation and stuff but it's funny [TS]

00:10:53   because you know I used to think you [TS]

00:10:55   know if you're not a lot of people think [TS]

00:10:56   it's lazy to look things up in it the [TS]

00:10:59   Saurus where r well I mean if you're [TS]

00:11:02   using the Stars to try to come up with a [TS]

00:11:04   75-cent word [TS]

00:11:05   oh I see what you mean that is that's [TS]

00:11:07   like if you want to try and sound [TS]

00:11:08   fancier you know I think that's why [TS]

00:11:10   wouldn't you know roundly criticized [TS]

00:11:12   that it's not the smartest thing to do [TS]

00:11:14   but I mean you know if you read the [TS]

00:11:16   actual real Roget's thesaurus which i [TS]

00:11:19   think the first entry is existence [TS]

00:11:21   it you know it starts you know most of [TS]

00:11:23   these to the dictionary style i'm [TS]

00:11:25   probably get this wrong look so stupid [TS]

00:11:26   but the the dictionary style the stars [TS]

00:11:29   that were used to is very closer like a [TS]

00:11:30   rhyming dictionary almost you say yeah [TS]

00:11:32   antonyms and synonyms for blah blah blah [TS]

00:11:34   but the actual Roget's thesaurus is [TS]

00:11:36   almost philosophical and sometimes yeah [TS]

00:11:38   oh yeah so that you can read it you can [TS]

00:11:40   read it like a I mean I for a long time [TS]

00:11:42   I kept one in the bathroom and we're [TS]

00:11:44   just when I was in heaven when I was in [TS]

00:11:46   there for an extended period i would [TS]

00:11:47   just like greeted your browser it [TS]

00:11:49   because it's full of so many like [TS]

00:11:52   beautiful it's like it's like on style [TS]

00:11:56   or writing utensils writing l7ii forget [TS]

00:12:02   that book at my peril all the time [TS]

00:12:04   yeah you should leave it in the bathroom [TS]

00:12:06   I i have i have a book on on the unix [TS]

00:12:10   operating system and a book on writing [TS]

00:12:12   next to the toilet [TS]

00:12:13   yeah yeah and let's be honest and house [TS]

00:12:17   mmm i was going to say the be a omnibus [TS]

00:12:20   of Wilberforce or whatever will hold a [TS]

00:12:24   bit what's up man [TS]

00:12:25   the guy with the credit but we go sort [TS]

00:12:27   of the cum out of his head there will be [TS]

00:12:29   the focus sneaked whatever over horse [TS]

00:12:35   oh god I I could talk about that stuff [TS]

00:12:38   all not that but the the word stuff it i [TS]

00:12:40   think one good reason to i mean i think [TS]

00:12:42   again on the one hand this sounds [TS]

00:12:43   contradictory conservatory it is that if [TS]

00:12:46   you don't know if you don't you're about [TS]

00:12:48   to use the word and you don't know what [TS]

00:12:49   it means it paid episode already this is [TS]

00:12:51   my favorite song so contradictory gonna [TS]

00:12:53   cut all this out and start talking about [TS]

00:12:57   the musicians they don't like in a [TS]

00:12:58   minute but William but you know one good [TS]

00:13:00   thing about that thesaurus is that for [TS]

00:13:02   first of all you can look up a word and [TS]

00:13:04   see if they're well-known a dictionary [TS]

00:13:07   will tell you like where the word came [TS]

00:13:08   from and so you might discover that [TS]

00:13:10   there might be especially if you're [TS]

00:13:11   writing something reverse you might [TS]

00:13:13   discover that there is in an implication [TS]

00:13:16   to the use of that word right exact not [TS]

00:13:19   know exactly tone to a temperature to [TS]

00:13:22   the word absolutely i mean each make [TS]

00:13:25   every word count or whatever they said [TS]

00:13:26   but also in thesaurus you have the [TS]

00:13:28   opportunity to see is there a better [TS]

00:13:29   word ideally maybe even shorter word or [TS]

00:13:32   a more precise word that will let you [TS]

00:13:34   remove [TS]

00:13:34   the words it's incredibly boring but i [TS]

00:13:36   think if you do if you get into the [TS]

00:13:37   habit of doing that you not only build [TS]

00:13:40   your vocabulary at the key become a [TS]

00:13:41   slightly better thinker because you [TS]

00:13:43   realize that there might be a better way [TS]

00:13:44   to put this and that's how you as they [TS]

00:13:46   say learn [TS]

00:13:46   yeah well I'm as the better I mean the [TS]

00:13:49   reason there are synonyms every single [TS]

00:13:51   one of them my name is cinnamon is even [TS]

00:13:53   maybe a misnomer every single one of [TS]

00:13:55   those words has a different as a [TS]

00:13:58   different temperature than it conveys in [TS]

00:14:00   it and and that is that's that's encoded [TS]

00:14:02   in its root and encoded in the way it's [TS]

00:14:05   been used and popularized in it tonight [TS]

00:14:08   when we were talking about worldwide [TS]

00:14:10   words the other day didn't I mention to [TS]

00:14:12   you that he contacted me are you kidding [TS]

00:14:14   me [TS]

00:14:14   no he wrote me a letter he was like Anna [TS]

00:14:17   is the John Roderick from rob econoline [TS]

00:14:20   yes I'm the man from worldwide words and [TS]

00:14:24   I just wanted to say that i've got a lot [TS]

00:14:26   of new subscribers from you why I just [TS]

00:14:30   lost my I had a high actually move move [TS]

00:14:32   to somewhere less sense out of London [TS]

00:14:35   maybe I gotta do what I was always [TS]

00:14:36   something brompton and Robbie I'm [TS]

00:14:40   sausage shares probably when I had [TS]

00:14:42   started in in a bond but anyway he was [TS]

00:14:45   like he was like I got a bunch of new [TS]

00:14:47   subscribers from your program and I [TS]

00:14:48   wanted to thank you [TS]

00:14:50   that's lovely and it was it was nice and [TS]

00:14:52   that you know everybody the more [TS]

00:14:54   entomologists the better you could do [TS]

00:14:56   worse and you know it's it's funny it's [TS]

00:14:58   like you know funny it's funny to me [TS]

00:15:00   like some of those people like I really [TS]

00:15:01   enjoy that Jeffrey number the guy the [TS]

00:15:04   guy in fresh air [TS]

00:15:05   I i love that stuff I i started [TS]

00:15:07   following after you mentioned that i [TS]

00:15:08   started i think of word nick is the one [TS]

00:15:11   that looked at and it reminds funny [TS]

00:15:15   because you're saying peshawar it [TS]

00:15:16   reminds me of the kind of thing and [TS]

00:15:18   cursing I think that's where i read this [TS]

00:15:20   but everything was a thing about you [TS]

00:15:21   know her cursing and of course i think [TS]

00:15:22   was different number of the read this [TS]

00:15:23   book called like you know the history of [TS]

00:15:25   the word asshole and stuff like that but [TS]

00:15:26   I think I apparently is an interview [TS]

00:15:30   with somebody about cursing but i'm [TS]

00:15:32   still Eunice you must know this but so [TS]

00:15:34   many of the funny phrases like you know [TS]

00:15:37   jimni cricket or cheese and crackers or [TS]

00:15:41   like there's all these ways that you [TS]

00:15:42   could avoid saying Jesus Christ right [TS]

00:15:45   jiminy Christmas [TS]

00:15:46   exactly [TS]

00:15:47   but but you know they ask this person [TS]

00:15:48   for example and I'm i think that's so [TS]

00:15:50   interesting that you learned shot right [TS]

00:15:52   but also asking what is this a [TS]

00:15:54   commonality and how these things have [TS]

00:15:56   changed over time and like one of the [TS]

00:15:57   very few ones that's been there all [TS]

00:15:59   along has been uh let's just say a [TS]

00:16:02   reverence about God you know what I mean [TS]

00:16:05   that's one us scatology I think the [TS]

00:16:09   sexuality of people in your family comes [TS]

00:16:11   up a lot in cursing right and yeah it [TS]

00:16:14   still tells you something about the [TS]

00:16:15   culture they like the God ones have [TS]

00:16:17   become people much more permissive about [TS]

00:16:20   a god damn sure where Jesus Christ or [TS]

00:16:22   whatever well because gosh darn became [TS]

00:16:24   so I mean there was a time when you [TS]

00:16:26   legitimately said gosh darn and then it [TS]

00:16:29   became so Opie that you might as well [TS]

00:16:34   say god damn you see somebody putting [TS]

00:16:36   their thumbs into their suspenders or [TS]

00:16:38   something like that but but as a as a do [TS]

00:16:40   as a devoted reader of Mad Magazine a [TS]

00:16:43   throughout my whole childhood i started [TS]

00:16:46   probably reading mad when I was I'm i [TS]

00:16:50   have to say like five maybe [TS]

00:16:53   Wow arm and read it until i read until [TS]

00:16:56   really until the quality of the of mad [TS]

00:16:58   decline i mean i would i would still be [TS]

00:17:00   reading if it had kind of gone in the [TS]

00:17:02   shitter but like Don Martin interjecting [TS]

00:17:07   out the floppy feet in the onomatopoetic [TS]

00:17:08   yeah yeah like his sort of like this is [TS]

00:17:13   web splittin landscapes you know his [TS]

00:17:17   kind of his way of of of of writing out [TS]

00:17:22   sounds and and I mean is so key to his [TS]

00:17:26   storytelling and I think for for many [TS]

00:17:29   years I had a whole separate lexicon of [TS]

00:17:32   sound effects and I find that I said I [TS]

00:17:35   don't know if you do this and I and I [TS]

00:17:36   don't know if like the majority of our [TS]

00:17:39   listeners do too but I punctuated my day [TS]

00:17:42   with audible sound effects you know like [TS]

00:17:46   if I'm alone and I'm walking through my [TS]

00:17:48   house it's like a paddle zap zing book [TS]

00:17:52   like everything i'm doing if i push a [TS]

00:17:55   button if I Turner [TS]

00:17:56   if I turn a knob it's like point clink [TS]

00:17:59   seen you know i'm giving and punctuating [TS]

00:18:03   it with these noises because I think I i [TS]

00:18:08   my my experience was so touched by by [TS]

00:18:12   reading mad and I do it with my little [TS]

00:18:14   girl you know i'm walking around the [TS]

00:18:15   two-year-old and everything we do i just [TS]

00:18:18   i add a little ! to like power machine [TS]

00:18:22   and I mean she I'm she's gonna grow up [TS]

00:18:26   thinking the world is a very different [TS]

00:18:28   place than it actually is and it's so [TS]

00:18:31   mean i have to give her something to [TS]

00:18:32   hate me for now you'll come up with [TS]

00:18:34   something I don't you I do it just to [TS]

00:18:38   take two things and you know the thing [TS]

00:18:39   is I'm so unselfish aware that if I'm [TS]

00:18:41   aware of that I must do it even more [TS]

00:18:42   than I think i have i have so many of [TS]

00:18:47   those that long before my daughter [TS]

00:18:49   became like a you know you know a handy [TS]

00:18:52   way to to blame my sound effects and my [TS]

00:18:55   various fully things that i do fully [TS]

00:18:58   noise right yeah but there's just [TS]

00:18:59   certain repeating ones no bonk would be [TS]

00:19:03   a big one right that a bonk can be used [TS]

00:19:06   for lots of things i do i use bonk 50 [TS]

00:19:10   times at all his bunk constantly like [TS]

00:19:12   you know you you're bumping like a bonk [TS]

00:19:13   you know or something or the last game [TS]

00:19:15   show sounds you know I get man or woman [TS]

00:19:19   yr up--bam [TS]

00:19:20   yeah losses for the other thing i do I [TS]

00:19:25   was I mean so far there's so many [TS]

00:19:27   different ways to talk to yourself for [TS]

00:19:30   example like there's something I think [TS]

00:19:31   when we think of somebody talking to [TS]

00:19:32   themselves and it was like a spectrum on [TS]

00:19:35   the one hand there's like somebody [TS]

00:19:36   somebody you know I i just started a [TS]

00:19:39   long time ago about about that lady at [TS]

00:19:42   the library where suddenly she's having [TS]

00:19:43   a very heated conversation and I turned [TS]

00:19:45   around the corner you to fuck me like [TS]

00:19:47   that I told her I said it and its issues [TS]

00:19:50   she speaks whispering I told her this [TS]

00:19:52   time to treat me like that she said and [TS]

00:19:54   looked around and she was she was very [TS]

00:19:56   very heatedly talking to no one at all [TS]

00:19:58   right she was going to drinking that's [TS]

00:19:59   it [TS]

00:20:00   she was talking to Dewey Decimal that's [TS]

00:20:02   that's one of the continuum but all [TS]

00:20:04   along the way there's stuff like [TS]

00:20:05   thinking to yourself so much that you [TS]

00:20:09   might as well be talking to yourself [TS]

00:20:11   there are some people who just kind of [TS]

00:20:12   have this little monologue where they [TS]

00:20:15   might even like moving their mouth a [TS]

00:20:16   little bit while they're talking you [TS]

00:20:18   know what i mean but I'm is constant [TS]

00:20:20   companion is the well stroll [TS]

00:20:22   I walk around the house and I go oh good [TS]

00:20:24   job nicely done [TS]

00:20:27   oh the well of course is this is a spill [TS]

00:20:30   that will be easy to clean up Oh met you [TS]

00:20:33   know at we're awarding gold ribbons [TS]

00:20:35   today for its it really is that real [TS]

00:20:37   that process work yeah for the guy for [TS]

00:20:39   the guy who can't load the dishwasher [TS]

00:20:41   and now you're really sarcastic you are [TS]

00:20:44   the number one contestant you are you [TS]

00:20:47   are in the fewer the finalists round and [TS]

00:20:49   I'm saying all this out loud I don't do [TS]

00:20:51   what anybody's around but you know it's [TS]

00:20:53   it's what i do instead of listen to the [TS]

00:20:54   radio that this [TS]

00:20:56   listen to what whoever that other person [TS]

00:20:58   is in my head just constantly berate me [TS]

00:21:01   like the wickedest like the wicked [TS]

00:21:04   stepmother that ever was [TS]

00:21:06   wow yeah it's a blast because you know [TS]

00:21:10   everyone's everything everything only [TS]

00:21:11   ones well I will you know rise up and be [TS]

00:21:14   like you know what [TS]

00:21:15   shut the fuck up for once why don't you [TS]

00:21:18   president rattlesnake on that we have we [TS]

00:21:21   have such fun we laugh we could uh huh [TS]

00:21:25   that's why I hate hearing that I I used [TS]

00:21:28   to I used to think oh I don't talk to [TS]

00:21:31   myself or another thing is it is i don't [TS]

00:21:34   think it's that difficult [TS]

00:21:36   I think if you're really honest with [TS]

00:21:37   yourself a lot of us you would realize [TS]

00:21:38   that there are various ways you talk to [TS]

00:21:40   yourself that because you because you're [TS]

00:21:42   not that lady you know Italian County [TS]

00:21:45   Library literally talking to herself [TS]

00:21:47   we're talking to someone who's not there [TS]

00:21:48   because my other thing i do is i have [TS]

00:21:51   little I don't know if that's the right [TS]

00:21:53   phrase like traveling music i have i [TS]

00:21:55   have little m and is it a little so [TS]

00:21:58   there's a little song I always home that [TS]

00:22:00   would put my daughter on my shoulders [TS]

00:22:01   and we we sing it together no mm-hmm [TS]

00:22:04   I don't know why we do it but we do or I [TS]

00:22:07   might make a little hmm like that sort [TS]

00:22:10   of its triumphal like horn or music that [TS]

00:22:12   you would play when the King interest [TS]

00:22:14   like a trumpet voluntary or something [TS]

00:22:16   you know [TS]

00:22:16   oh I think so but if you know what's [TS]

00:22:19   funny about both of those is there so [TS]

00:22:21   even the game chef stuff i think is [TS]

00:22:23   based on this is so heavily based in [TS]

00:22:25   comics and cartoons right if you think [TS]

00:22:27   about it where you have to express and [TS]

00:22:30   overexpress something in a way that can [TS]

00:22:33   be conveyed to the reader or that you [TS]

00:22:36   don't mean doesn't balance [TS]

00:22:37   yeah so I mean I don't know I i guess in [TS]

00:22:40   some ways that count as talking to [TS]

00:22:41   yourself I think nobody wants to admit [TS]

00:22:42   it [TS]

00:22:43   yes it does seem so crazy but I mean [TS]

00:22:46   what is the phrase interior monologue or [TS]

00:22:49   into right you know interior dialogue or [TS]

00:22:50   interior you know interior direction [TS]

00:22:53   into interior parliamentary procedure I [TS]

00:22:57   about the classic example of this i [TS]

00:22:59   probably told you was the the woman I [TS]

00:23:01   was walking past on the street on [TS]

00:23:03   broadway one day and you know she's like [TS]

00:23:05   a little kind of a little lady maybe 65 [TS]

00:23:08   years old she had a sweatshirt on which [TS]

00:23:12   she had appliqued epic Wade with like [TS]

00:23:16   you know flowers and and sequins and [TS]

00:23:20   colorful paint and she had very [TS]

00:23:23   carefully stitched in big letters across [TS]

00:23:25   the front of her sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:27   don't yell at me or act right right [TS]

00:23:30   right [TS]

00:23:31   don't don't yell at me sweatshirt and I [TS]

00:23:32   saw this woman and she was just out for [TS]

00:23:34   a day by herself can standing on the [TS]

00:23:36   corner of broadway and John holding her [TS]

00:23:38   purse in her don't yell at me sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:39   and I was like who is that message for [TS]

00:23:44   like either that is either that is a [TS]

00:23:47   sweatshirt that she made for her [TS]

00:23:50   husband's benefit and she wears around [TS]

00:23:52   the house and somehow she got out of the [TS]

00:23:55   house wearing it or that's a sweatshirt [TS]

00:23:58   that she made just as a general [TS]

00:24:00   announcement she prefers not to be all [TS]

00:24:03   that and she wants to she wants to get [TS]

00:24:05   ahead of the horse cart right or or [TS]

00:24:08   whether she's whether she's sending that [TS]

00:24:11   message to to you know forces to the [TS]

00:24:16   rest of us can't [TS]

00:24:17   see your comprehend it must be working [TS]

00:24:19   you know you wouldn't wear it more than [TS]

00:24:21   once but here's the things through [TS]

00:24:23   well yeah but I mean the UM it clearly [TS]

00:24:27   it was homemade [TS]

00:24:29   so so only one that looks like probably [TS]

00:24:30   she made it maybe it was a gift but even [TS]

00:24:33   still she's wearing it right a gift she [TS]

00:24:37   might she might have a friend who season [TS]

00:24:39   or something is article done there's [TS]

00:24:42   also so you remember why I incorporated [TS]

00:24:44   that motto in one of the very earliest [TS]

00:24:47   long winters t-shirts which was based on [TS]

00:24:49   the what the White Castle hamburger logo [TS]

00:24:52   and the right in the center of the White [TS]

00:24:54   Castle hamburger a castle [TS]

00:24:56   it says in in a small letters don't yell [TS]

00:24:58   at me right now that you've alienated [TS]

00:24:59   enough of your friends colleagues and [TS]

00:25:01   associates it i think we can also say [TS]

00:25:03   that that you you would often refer if i [TS]

00:25:06   remember correctly you would remember [TS]

00:25:07   you would refer to the deal let your you [TS]

00:25:12   called bar suit that don't yell at me [TS]

00:25:14   labeled called don't yell at me music [TS]

00:25:16   but right yeah they're still very very [TS]

00:25:22   gentle very ultimately rock at that time [TS]

00:25:24   was don't yell at me music right pleased [TS]

00:25:27   that we're not going to yell please [TS]

00:25:28   don't know what is that looking back at [TS]

00:25:30   that what if you in fact that today what [TS]

00:25:32   is what does that mean [TS]

00:25:33   as you look back at it what would that [TS]

00:25:37   movement represents well I mean it was [TS]

00:25:40   hearing you say that at the time i would [TS]

00:25:42   think of to be honest like maybe half a [TS]

00:25:45   dozen bands that were amongst my [TS]

00:25:48   absolute favorite bands but I knew I [TS]

00:25:49   felt like I knew exactly what you meant [TS]

00:25:51   when you said that but they don't not [TS]

00:25:53   not to you know take this apart too much [TS]

00:25:55   but you're kind of don't yell at me has [TS]

00:25:57   this implication of like on the one hand [TS]

00:25:59   like it's going to be gentle gentle [TS]

00:26:01   music but it's also going to be maybe [TS]

00:26:04   it's kind of intimate like I'm telling [TS]

00:26:06   you things about myself I'm disclosing [TS]

00:26:08   these these intimate things about myself [TS]

00:26:10   right but it i don't know there's [TS]

00:26:13   something also to there's this like [TS]

00:26:14   deeper sensitivity [TS]

00:26:16   I don't know what I mean I I feel like [TS]

00:26:19   from 1982 1994 no matter what genre of [TS]

00:26:25   music you chose to be a fan of what you [TS]

00:26:29   chose to pursue [TS]

00:26:30   everybody was everybody was going for [TS]

00:26:35   full bombast all the time like pop music [TS]

00:26:39   rock music metal music country music [TS]

00:26:42   every genre was was good getting bigger [TS]

00:26:47   bigger bigger bigger right punk rock [TS]

00:26:49   music loud screaming how heavy rock [TS]

00:26:52   music loud screaming heavy metal music [TS]

00:26:54   wild screaming duran duran it wasn't [TS]

00:26:58   there was there was there were no [TS]

00:27:00   moments in a Duran Duran song where they [TS]

00:27:02   like got real right i mean the cure-all [TS]

00:27:05   for everything things in a very general [TS]

00:27:08   statement but I agree [TS]

00:27:09   things got more bombastic to call my [TS]

00:27:11   friend Richard it's all over church but [TS]

00:27:13   there's a lot of stuff that there wasn't [TS]

00:27:14   much development a lot of the time it [TS]

00:27:16   was on it was like all chorus like a [TS]

00:27:18   huge huge huge and grunge was huge huge [TS]

00:27:22   huge and by 94 [TS]

00:27:24   I mean there there was the whole [TS]

00:27:28   generation of musicians for whom the [TS]

00:27:31   idea of making music that sounded like [TS]

00:27:35   seals and cross but was radical [TS]

00:27:39   revolutionary a complete like [TS]

00:27:42   overturning of the old guard and that [TS]

00:27:45   that conscientious like a removal of [TS]

00:27:50   distortion the removal of the of not [TS]

00:27:54   just yelling but even like masculine [TS]

00:27:57   singing and replacing it with breathy [TS]

00:28:00   acoustic quietness and quietude of [TS]

00:28:05   thought I mean all the way back to like [TS]

00:28:09   river like going back to Pink Moon and [TS]

00:28:13   imagining that pink moon was the was the [TS]

00:28:16   foundation argument of a whole movement [TS]

00:28:19   that at the time didn't happen and just [TS]

00:28:22   starting a pink moon as if it was [TS]

00:28:23   contemporary and making music in that [TS]

00:28:25   vein [TS]

00:28:27   trying to exercise was 20 years of of of [TS]

00:28:33   really like swingin cock music I mean [TS]

00:28:36   think about David Lee Roth and and then [TS]

00:28:42   elliot smith and contrast the two and [TS]

00:28:46   they're both like guys in their twenties [TS]

00:28:48   trying to impress the world with their [TS]

00:28:51   with their inner life and it's like they [TS]

00:28:56   are different species you know I mean [TS]

00:28:59   David Lee Roth will never see his like [TS]

00:29:01   again but I mean I'm I mean it was the [TS]

00:29:05   first time i heard elliott smith it it [TS]

00:29:07   it it scared me [TS]

00:29:09   it was so spooky and so that that [TS]

00:29:12   concept and I mean I was making records [TS]

00:29:14   at the time and coming coming out of a [TS]

00:29:18   whole lifetime of being raised to a or [TS]

00:29:23   raising myself for being being [TS]

00:29:25   indoctrinated to think that that as a [TS]

00:29:27   musician I was supposed to convey sexual [TS]

00:29:30   power I was supposed to convey total [TS]

00:29:34   confidence and a sexual power and total [TS]

00:29:37   confidence that i didn't i didn't [TS]

00:29:40   personally like feel I had or understand [TS]

00:29:43   and then all of a sudden as an adult I [TS]

00:29:47   mean I was i I was 30 years old before [TS]

00:29:50   this really became the the language of [TS]

00:29:53   pop music but all of a sudden all around [TS]

00:29:55   me were young guys 23-year year old guys [TS]

00:29:59   who were singing in a whisper about [TS]

00:30:03   their teddy bears and said you know and [TS]

00:30:07   making their guitars sound as plinky and [TS]

00:30:10   whisper as they could and people were [TS]

00:30:13   you know like guys were playing the [TS]

00:30:18   glockenspiel not as a joke but as their [TS]

00:30:21   primary instrument like I play the vibes [TS]

00:30:24   man that's my like a band that had like [TS]

00:30:29   a dedicated an ironic accordion player [TS]

00:30:31   for example right i mean American analog [TS]

00:30:34   set you would go to their shows and [TS]

00:30:38   you know that that that that was that [TS]

00:30:40   era of of bands where you go to their [TS]

00:30:42   shows in the butt and just the noise of [TS]

00:30:43   the bartender working would like [TS]

00:30:46   overshadow the music light low would be [TS]

00:30:51   at the example that's right right where [TS]

00:30:52   you where you just you're in their ear [TS]

00:30:54   in the room and and so much of the [TS]

00:30:56   tension of the show is this tension that [TS]

00:30:59   you're carrying like please don't let [TS]

00:31:01   some drunk girls start talking [TS]

00:31:03   please don't let that guy next to me you [TS]

00:31:06   know like if he says one more thing I'm [TS]

00:31:09   going to say something to him and then [TS]

00:31:11   the guy says one more thing and you're [TS]

00:31:12   like oh wat if he says one more thing I [TS]

00:31:16   am gonna confront him you know and [TS]

00:31:20   Shh and all this kind of like energy at [TS]

00:31:22   Rock Shows yeah i mean i don't i was at [TS]

00:31:24   the knitting factory one time watching [TS]

00:31:26   Jason Molina and his and songs ohio when [TS]

00:31:30   they were in their quiet phase and a he [TS]

00:31:35   was making you know super quiet music [TS]

00:31:38   and i turned to some guy at the show and [TS]

00:31:40   was like hey man if you want to talk [TS]

00:31:44   why don't you walk around the block and [TS]

00:31:46   the guy was like it's a rock show and I [TS]

00:31:48   said that's clearly not it's not a rock [TS]

00:31:52   show [TS]

00:31:52   it's a kind that's making quiet music we [TS]

00:31:54   can all hear you [TS]

00:31:56   I mean how many of those conversations [TS]

00:31:57   did we have and and you know at the time [TS]

00:32:02   like I was I saw iron and wine their [TS]

00:32:06   first time at south by southwest in a [TS]

00:32:08   room full of people talking on their [TS]

00:32:09   phones and he's up there like you know [TS]

00:32:13   whispering into the microphone in a way [TS]

00:32:16   that felt and this was my reaction to it [TS]

00:32:20   at the time like this is aggressively [TS]

00:32:22   quiet you are you are making quiet music [TS]

00:32:25   in a room full of monsters and it is a [TS]

00:32:30   it is a form of attack you know nobody's [TS]

00:32:34   enjoying it [TS]

00:32:35   no that relies almost subversive yeah [TS]

00:32:37   you're not enjoying it [TS]

00:32:38   we're not enjoying it it is as angry and [TS]

00:32:42   as a and as ugly as if you were standing [TS]

00:32:45   up there a fling shit at the audience [TS]

00:32:48   you know it was that form of that form [TS]

00:32:51   of corporate power game gamesmanship [TS]

00:32:54   where you you you talk really quietly [TS]

00:32:57   and it makes people lean in MH you know [TS]

00:32:59   that it just felt like it felt like that [TS]

00:33:01   in music [TS]

00:33:03   um but among the people that were making [TS]

00:33:07   it there was no there was no conscious [TS]

00:33:10   or at least there was no overt [TS]

00:33:12   acknowledgement that this was a power [TS]

00:33:14   game or that this was a that this was an [TS]

00:33:17   aesthetic choice that was born out of [TS]

00:33:20   anger and frustration and desire to [TS]

00:33:23   overthrow the old guard you know it was [TS]

00:33:26   presented even even in the interest of [TS]

00:33:29   inner sanctum [TS]

00:33:31   it was presented as like no man this is [TS]

00:33:34   my thing I love your thing two men this [TS]

00:33:39   is just amazing is so beautiful and I'm [TS]

00:33:42   standing there my David Lee Roth pants [TS]

00:33:44   and I'm like oh yeah oh wow you mean my [TS]

00:33:53   daughter watch the video for unchanged [TS]

00:33:55   at the day we're watching videos of [TS]

00:33:57   death [TS]

00:33:58   turn and cook the chair any chair right [TS]

00:34:02   which to her would be like if your if [TS]

00:34:06   your dad played you up pics i didn't [TS]

00:34:09   listen to this part listen this park [TS]

00:34:11   well we were it started out arm where we [TS]

00:34:15   were this video going around in the last [TS]

00:34:17   week or so of this thing really detached [TS]

00:34:20   looking fourteen-year-old girl playing [TS]

00:34:22   eruption really really well sometimes [TS]

00:34:24   you'll see the easily click on [TS]

00:34:26   yeah i mean you'll see these like you [TS]

00:34:27   know meet musical savant videos going [TS]

00:34:30   around and was like I want to play the [TS]

00:34:32   real thing and of course if you go to [TS]

00:34:34   try to find any video of eruption [TS]

00:34:36   first of all they're like the solo alone [TS]

00:34:38   is like somewhere between like 82 45 [TS]

00:34:40   minutes long it's different every time I [TS]

00:34:43   had to be honest i want to say they vary [TS]

00:34:44   in quality [TS]

00:34:45   I guess I mean that in a kind of a [TS]

00:34:47   complimentary way because he doesn't you [TS]

00:34:49   know he's got his bag of tricks [TS]

00:34:51   yeah certainly Edwards got the bag of [TS]

00:34:53   tricks but but I mean he brings [TS]

00:34:55   something it feels like he brings [TS]

00:34:56   something different to it every night [TS]

00:34:58   but of course in that let me go let me [TS]

00:35:00   take a step back okay [TS]

00:35:01   oakland 1981 are only three videos so [TS]

00:35:05   good that exists of this and I'm going [TS]

00:35:07   to show you what might be the greatest [TS]

00:35:09   van Halen song she's five and i'm [TS]

00:35:11   showing i'm making a way I'm really [TS]

00:35:13   jumps off and he does the kick [TS]

00:35:15   yea yea and all and you know what is the [TS]

00:35:17   canonical Mike Anthony douche thing is [TS]

00:35:20   he's hitting the a with just his right [TS]

00:35:22   hand and important the honey his season [TS]

00:35:24   open a well-appointed the audience and [TS]

00:35:26   pumps Jack Daniels and but you know I [TS]

00:35:30   you know but like I think about likely [TS]

00:35:33   no not gonna name names but some of the [TS]

00:35:35   folks on the label I mean I I you know I [TS]

00:35:38   you know everybody likes to name-check [TS]

00:35:40   you know Pixies which is one of my [TS]

00:35:43   all-time favorite bands but you know [TS]

00:35:44   partly I think because they were able to [TS]

00:35:46   bring like for example I think they're [TS]

00:35:48   there [TS]

00:35:49   the thing of their the video of their [TS]

00:35:50   two or the DVD or whatever you call it [TS]

00:35:52   up there too was called now quiet loud [TS]

00:35:53   which is kind of a joke about Pixies [TS]

00:35:55   yeah because they they were alongside [TS]

00:35:57   that he'll be any production that i [TS]

00:35:59   thought was just perfect perfect match [TS]

00:36:00   for them the end you know another one so [TS]

00:36:02   for the same thing this ability to like [TS]

00:36:04   be so like a boy you think you think [TS]

00:36:08   stuff in the eighties in your face like [TS]

00:36:10   welcome welcome to serious in your face [TS]

00:36:12   music but then we'll just drop something [TS]

00:36:14   like gigantic which could be so endemic [TS]

00:36:16   but then also creepily quiet-like inside [TS]

00:36:19   the same song [TS]

00:36:20   yeah but i'ma quiet miss you still in [TS]

00:36:23   gigantic anything in the Pixies you [TS]

00:36:26   still felt anger and was very very [TS]

00:36:30   unsettled and like just a simmering like [TS]

00:36:33   that's something disturbing was always [TS]

00:36:36   just write it on the surface or very [TS]

00:36:38   near the surface [TS]

00:36:39   yeah and I think that that is what makes [TS]

00:36:41   elliott smith compelling but a lot of [TS]

00:36:44   that a lot of that generation of indie [TS]

00:36:46   rock that I came up in the Menace is not [TS]

00:36:50   present [TS]

00:36:51   yeah that's what I was going to say I [TS]

00:36:53   mean a lot of that post-rock we stop [TS]

00:36:54   post-rock you know which is such a weird [TS]

00:36:57   like what does that mean post-punk oddly [TS]

00:36:59   enough is very meaningful to me because [TS]

00:37:00   I think there is something in common [TS]

00:37:02   with being a family mission of burma or [TS]

00:37:03   whatever but like what would like that [TS]

00:37:05   post-rock I felt like it was a prank [TS]

00:37:07   it really felt like I mean I don't mean [TS]

00:37:09   this in the ne well I guess I didn't [TS]

00:37:11   mean it this way it's like in in the [TS]

00:37:13   emperor has no clothes just in error the [TS]

00:37:15   emperor's new clothes where you have [TS]

00:37:17   this sense of like its it would be [TS]

00:37:19   really i would sound like such a dumbass [TS]

00:37:21   to go like I just don't understand [TS]

00:37:23   tortoise think all of my friends are [TS]

00:37:26   named checking this one record with [TS]

00:37:27   whatever this 15-minute glockenspiel [TS]

00:37:29   song on it [TS]

00:37:30   I don't understand it godspeed you black [TS]

00:37:31   emperor i get i can actually get big [TS]

00:37:34   time because it sounds like I would [TS]

00:37:35   listen to that on this all right I would [TS]

00:37:37   listen that on subway and honestly feel [TS]

00:37:39   like everything literally an entire [TS]

00:37:41   world was about to collapse a national [TS]

00:37:42   stuff oh and they were great at the [TS]

00:37:44   diner dynamics that's a lot of post-rock [TS]

00:37:46   it was [TS]

00:37:46   precious it was so you know what I mean [TS]

00:37:49   like the ball yeah that was I was [TS]

00:37:51   sharing the stage with a lot of those [TS]

00:37:52   bands and and getting up getting a lot [TS]

00:37:56   of rolled eyes at my theatrics [TS]

00:38:01   I mean I told you the first time that I [TS]

00:38:03   ever met Josh Rosenfeld's for in his [TS]

00:38:06   capacity as a record label owner he sat [TS]

00:38:10   down with me in a pizza restaurant and [TS]

00:38:13   said yeah your bands not really my thing [TS]

00:38:15   that was the Hurricanes that wasn't her [TS]

00:38:19   again so I was like oh why are we here [TS]

00:38:22   then why did we come to this restaurant [TS]

00:38:24   to meet and he said I my wife really [TS]

00:38:28   likes you and I was like well that's [TS]

00:38:32   good that's great hope you're picking up [TS]

00:38:34   the tank up he said yeah but for my [TS]

00:38:37   tastes like to any distortion boxes and [TS]

00:38:43   i was like i have i just have the one [TS]

00:38:46   and he was like yeah like exactly one is [TS]

00:38:52   too many and his band was very quirky [TS]

00:38:56   yeah there but they were mean he's got [TS]

00:38:58   an insulting way but it was challenging [TS]

00:39:01   their music was I think pretty [TS]

00:39:03   challenging in some ways my band before [TS]

00:39:05   the Western State hurricanes the bun [TS]

00:39:06   family players was exactly in the stuff [TS]

00:39:08   in the family of this busy monster where [TS]

00:39:11   every song had not just five different [TS]

00:39:15   time signatures but also for different [TS]

00:39:17   genres like the verses were like country [TS]

00:39:23   swing and then there was a ska that it [TS]

00:39:25   was you know it went into double time [TS]

00:39:27   ska and then it went into three quarter [TS]

00:39:29   time you know I like Paul waltz chorus [TS]

00:39:35   and then hardcore thrash bridge and you [TS]

00:39:39   get to the end zone and then it was [TS]

00:39:41   about the song was about Bernoulli's [TS]

00:39:43   principle and you get to the end and it [TS]

00:39:45   was 11 minutes long and and you know the [TS]

00:39:47   audience is sure two cds in the back [TS]

00:39:49   yeah the audience feels like they just [TS]

00:39:51   took a like a intensive summer chords it [TS]

00:39:55   slow [TS]

00:39:56   clap you dislike thank you thank you all [TS]

00:40:00   right we were you being like [TS]

00:40:02   deliberately eclectic well yeah that was [TS]

00:40:04   of course that was that was our reaction [TS]

00:40:07   to grunge was a grunge was so [TS]

00:40:10   self-serious and along with allowing [TS]

00:40:12   along with the loud bombast through the [TS]

00:40:15   eighties and nineties was also trip you [TS]

00:40:18   know tremendous self seriousness i mean [TS]

00:40:20   as soon as ya as soon as David Lee Roth [TS]

00:40:22   went away even the spandex metal dudes [TS]

00:40:26   became like they forgot that they were [TS]

00:40:29   that they were clowns you know the guy [TS]

00:40:32   by the late eighties those guys in those [TS]

00:40:35   guys at Nelson her whatever seriously [TS]

00:40:37   she's actually my cherry pie literally [TS]

00:40:39   like they really get they really thought [TS]

00:40:40   they were legitimate artist and it's [TS]

00:40:42   like hey you guys are a joke on a joke [TS]

00:40:44   let me say it again because you might [TS]

00:40:46   not have heard my words listen every [TS]

00:40:48   Loes has a thorn [TS]

00:40:52   yeah you're wearing your mom's makeup [TS]

00:40:56   like you're legitimately worried you're [TS]

00:40:58   probably Cruz seemed really dangerous [TS]

00:41:00   they never did to me I swear to you that [TS]

00:41:02   first Motley Crue records had a [TS]

00:41:04   pentagram on it it did have a pentagram [TS]

00:41:06   but they were wearing they were wearing [TS]

00:41:08   like a roach clip whether they're here [TS]

00:41:12   and having the ants makeup [TS]

00:41:15   yeah and I you know an adam and the ants [TS]

00:41:17   felt dangerous to me because yeah [TS]

00:41:19   desperate but not serious oh yeah that [TS]

00:41:22   came out of the wild frontier out and [TS]

00:41:24   still is so odd it gets but I was like [TS]

00:41:26   every band gets odder and odder to me [TS]

00:41:28   every year he was mugging for the camera [TS]

00:41:31   but he was here he was like dangerously [TS]

00:41:34   bisexual seeming but also so beautiful [TS]

00:41:36   that you felt like well yeah I mean if [TS]

00:41:39   you get this Gracie like burundi [TS]

00:41:41   drumming and drummers ya playin that [TS]

00:41:44   that might create i guess i'm not sure [TS]

00:41:46   exactly that means the right word that [TS]

00:41:48   from put into don't but don't worry yeah [TS]

00:41:50   right but it was menacing to Babu Babu [TS]

00:41:53   anytime like Morocco because all and [TS]

00:41:55   exactly song sounds like almost [TS]

00:41:57   rockabilly in some ways so that you know [TS]

00:42:00   that was like gender bender II and the [TS]

00:42:02   end but you know Adam and didn't take [TS]

00:42:04   himself seriously he was cloud around [TS]

00:42:06   like it like like fee waybill [TS]

00:42:08   the end he also understood like each [TS]

00:42:10   album was I mean each record was like a [TS]

00:42:13   different version of himself for the [TS]

00:42:15   first like four records you know and [TS]

00:42:17   yeah it was wearing makeup or whatever [TS]

00:42:18   but you know the dude going from like [TS]

00:42:20   like pirate guy writer like you know [TS]

00:42:23   fabi prince charming like he was he was [TS]

00:42:26   mad just by us he was playing to the [TS]

00:42:28   last row but it was it was willfully [TS]

00:42:30   theatrical but I mean I've always felt [TS]

00:42:32   like so much of the stuff in popular [TS]

00:42:35   music you know this whatever typical [TS]

00:42:36   teenager thing but by the time i was a [TS]

00:42:38   senior like everything on the charts was [TS]

00:42:41   just so rough i got dammit I wish you'd [TS]

00:42:45   been there we visited with some friends [TS]

00:42:47   last night we should talk about this [TS]

00:42:49   I was saying such complimentary things [TS]

00:42:50   about Phil Collins you should've been [TS]

00:42:52   there [TS]

00:42:52   well I you know Phil Collins really [TS]

00:42:55   stands up he stands up to the test of [TS]

00:42:58   time in a way that i do not think you [TS]

00:42:59   can say glenn frey does phil collins [TS]

00:43:02   that stuff those games and lost our [TS]

00:43:05   killer ok and i had to explain to Jason [TS]

00:43:08   thin not I mean when I talk about and [TS]

00:43:12   everyone everybody forgets can I say two [TS]

00:43:13   words invisible touch that's what [TS]

00:43:15   everybody forgets and I told him that [TS]

00:43:17   the household him and scoots literally [TS]

00:43:19   every sunday morning i'm in the shower [TS]

00:43:21   as long as it takes to listen to turn on [TS]

00:43:24   again five times great tube and we sat [TS]

00:43:27   down and we sat down and looked at [TS]

00:43:28   wikipedia and listen to it on our phones [TS]

00:43:30   and we came up with the time signature [TS]

00:43:32   is it's totally bananas [TS]

00:43:34   what is the time depending on how you [TS]

00:43:36   depending on how you count it i think [TS]

00:43:37   it's i think it's like that it could be [TS]

00:43:39   thirteen six or any way that jason has [TS]

00:43:43   the girls into it but here's the thing [TS]

00:43:44   is a good chance that the programming [TS]

00:43:46   Jason is obviously a pro he's a pro [TS]

00:43:48   drummer but these types in the sea is [TS]

00:43:51   tight but this is the thing about [TS]

00:43:52   drummers they're all like these pro [TS]

00:43:53   timekeepers but no no they're not that [TS]

00:43:58   that that they get you know they get a [TS]

00:44:01   beginning their boxes just like anybody [TS]

00:44:03   else [TS]

00:44:04   yeah but NYC not like maybe it's nothing [TS]

00:44:06   against Jason he's great but I mean I [TS]

00:44:08   think he should be on our ad hoc board [TS]

00:44:10   I've worked I worked up with some of the [TS]

00:44:12   best drivers in the business let me tell [TS]

00:44:14   you i got to tell you and a lot of them [TS]

00:44:16   you know they they get the getting their [TS]

00:44:18   way of playing [TS]

00:44:19   and then it's very hard for them to like [TS]

00:44:21   you know I'm and even the ones that are [TS]

00:44:24   like I studied afro-cuban for two years [TS]

00:44:26   that's really said different from guitar [TS]

00:44:27   players though [TS]

00:44:28   well no its success but that's the thing [TS]

00:44:30   it's exactly the same but but but [TS]

00:44:32   drummers you know this is their province [TS]

00:44:34   this is there there one job and I bet [TS]

00:44:38   there and you know i can say that like [TS]

00:44:41   it's anything like I said they're so bad [TS]

00:44:43   i would say it's hard to talk about [TS]

00:44:45   it's hard to give a note to a drummer [TS]

00:44:47   sometimes to use this your parents with [TS]

00:44:49   our plane you're playing a little loud [TS]

00:44:50   your back to light a fire extinguisher [TS]

00:44:52   right next to my mom needed to give [TS]

00:44:56   enough to the drummer I was just headed [TS]

00:44:58   with the fire extinguisher person men in [TS]

00:45:00   the has the shock wore off that i would [TS]

00:45:02   say hey maybe like maybe like ratchet [TS]

00:45:05   down the high handle that they'd be like [TS]

00:45:07   but but i remember back into the two and [TS]

00:45:09   it's like a big post-traumatic problem [TS]

00:45:14   people want to start on a music show [TS]

00:45:16   well you know what is kind of a music [TS]

00:45:19   show I mean maybe it split in we could [TS]

00:45:21   see it split into food handler Hitler [TS]

00:45:24   music I think mental mental illness [TS]

00:45:27   probably mental illness i want to talk [TS]

00:45:29   more about Johnny Carson I don't think [TS]

00:45:31   we talked about i would love to talk so [TS]

00:45:33   much about Hitler we hardly ever talk [TS]

00:45:34   about Carson now I I think he was he was [TS]

00:45:37   complicit [TS]

00:45:38   yeah well you know Carson was you know [TS]

00:45:40   in a way the Hitler of late-night he's [TS]

00:45:42   he's a very he's a very like is his [TS]

00:45:46   television progeny david letterman he's [TS]

00:45:49   a tough nut to crack [TS]

00:45:50   it's because it breaks my heart in a way [TS]

00:45:51   that David Letterman I I think he was a [TS]

00:45:53   very I don't know if you you know what [TS]

00:45:55   they always say you know if you're [TS]

00:45:56   sitting in a bar [TS]

00:45:57   it's okay to look never look lonely it's [TS]

00:46:00   okay to look lonesome but never looked [TS]

00:46:01   lonely I think Johnny Carson was a [TS]

00:46:03   little lonesome well jackie was look [TS]

00:46:06   desperately lonely i mean if you think [TS]

00:46:08   about all those guys jack paar Steve [TS]

00:46:11   Allen you know and Letterman to like [TS]

00:46:15   none of them none of them did you feel [TS]

00:46:17   like went home at night and just likes [TS]

00:46:23   like sat and [TS]

00:46:28   and stared at the floor in the way that [TS]

00:46:30   you feel like Carson he was so beautiful [TS]

00:46:33   on TV and and you just get the feeling [TS]

00:46:36   from everything you know about him and [TS]

00:46:38   he got in his car and he drove home and [TS]

00:46:40   he went into his room and he just sat in [TS]

00:46:42   a chair and stared at the floor and [TS]

00:46:43   waited for sleep i right [TS]

00:46:47   I'm a little bit obsessed with him right [TS]

00:46:48   now did you see that as a good doctor a [TS]

00:46:50   PBS documentary about him yeah i know it [TS]

00:46:51   makes you it makes you it says it's like [TS]

00:46:53   one of these Hitler documentaries where [TS]

00:46:54   you see inside the man and you're like [TS]

00:46:56   oh cheese [TS]

00:46:58   oh geez if I could go back in time if I [TS]

00:47:01   could go back in time and tell him not [TS]

00:47:02   to invade the Soviet Union I don't think [TS]

00:47:03   that would be the right thing to do [TS]

00:47:05   historically because you would be [TS]

00:47:06   helping Hitler i think is what wonder [TS]

00:47:08   bein would say is you have to go back [TS]

00:47:09   and kill hitler's father that his name [TS]

00:47:12   what's his name wonder bein wonder paid [TS]

00:47:14   well but wolf in charge of the stable [TS]

00:47:17   voltage mitsuoka shots that's got a nice [TS]

00:47:20   that though woman shots he has the [TS]

00:47:22   toilet paper for eyes how well for [TS]

00:47:25   Chauncey Gardiner I mean I definitely [TS]

00:47:26   Hitler's dad was an asshole I think [TS]

00:47:29   Johnny Carson's mother was an asshole [TS]

00:47:31   no I'm gonna watch that again tonight [TS]

00:47:33   yeah yeah i'm i'm i'm super down on his [TS]

00:47:35   mom I feel like she's you know you he he [TS]

00:47:38   you go through history and you you make [TS]

00:47:40   a catalog of all the great war criminals [TS]

00:47:43   and you know they're all dudes are gonna [TS]

00:47:46   watch any cars in our way they're all [TS]

00:47:47   they're all dudes with mustaches hot but [TS]

00:47:49   but I'm shalini he's kind of ineffectual [TS]

00:47:53   well yeah you're right even if somebody [TS]

00:47:56   was a huge sort of a hanger-on do you [TS]

00:47:57   think I well you know Nobu Cellini was [TS]

00:48:00   in power a long time before Hitler or [TS]

00:48:02   Stalin Mussolini was the he's like kinda [TS]

00:48:06   like the he sort of like the canada of [TS]

00:48:08   dictators where the trial and the [TS]

00:48:10   Oakland of dictators like if he had been [TS]

00:48:11   off on his own or like a Franco if you [TS]

00:48:14   if you had that just that guy in [TS]

00:48:15   obscurity go while the guys real asshole [TS]

00:48:17   but you know next to Joe and Hitler and [TS]

00:48:19   Stalin he doesn't really stand up does [TS]

00:48:20   he [TS]

00:48:21   but well in terms of like atrocity [TS]

00:48:24   probably not but I mean look at the big [TS]

00:48:26   board to you also have to have to think [TS]

00:48:31   you know Italy and Spain like the [TS]

00:48:34   standard until you think we should [TS]

00:48:36   adjust for the size of the country small [TS]

00:48:37   it doesn't seem so bad then not just the [TS]

00:48:39   size I mean I [TS]

00:48:41   I mean that those people are are easily [TS]

00:48:44   distracted by by by a nice dinner and [TS]

00:48:47   had a nice bottle of wine you know they [TS]

00:48:49   get started on an atrocity and then it's [TS]

00:48:51   like somebody ring the dinner bell for [TS]

00:48:54   Italy your car breaks down over here we [TS]

00:48:57   got any soup [TS]

00:48:58   ok we'll get started on that tomorrow [TS]

00:49:00   and then they forget the side it out so [TS]

00:49:05   lots of mozzarella I just always when I [TS]

00:49:07   was a kid I remember hearing that he had [TS]

00:49:08   been he and his mistress had been hung [TS]

00:49:10   up with piano wire and I never really [TS]

00:49:13   track that down but it haunted me in my [TS]

00:49:15   memories that he was hung up in a public [TS]

00:49:17   square with piano you never see the [TS]

00:49:18   pictures of service photos [TS]

00:49:20   oh that's terrible it's terrible it's [TS]

00:49:22   not it's not a nice thing and you know [TS]

00:49:23   they did they kind of did the same thing [TS]

00:49:25   to judge chesko it man and Romania [TS]

00:49:28   however many years later because of [TS]

00:49:29   course as you know we've talked before [TS]

00:49:31   the Romanians very close to the Italians [TS]

00:49:35   and a lot of ways we get us also i'm not [TS]

00:49:37   always down another shot at geography I [TS]

00:49:38   think we're John has John ever told you [TS]

00:49:41   the story about the time that he was in [TS]

00:49:43   bonita he saw with jenni carlson was [TS]

00:49:46   born [TS]

00:49:46   oh but i but so so so the one family [TS]

00:49:50   players definitely were reaction to the [TS]

00:49:55   self seriousness of wear and also of you [TS]

00:50:01   know Soundgarden and away [TS]

00:50:03   I mean the part of the mythology of [TS]

00:50:04   seattle is that honey and a lot of the [TS]

00:50:08   early crunchers were like so take the [TS]

00:50:11   piss and so fun you know like that they [TS]

00:50:14   were fun this was the everett true [TS]

00:50:16   version money but he was so silly [TS]

00:50:21   well you had a good way I can't get out [TS]

00:50:23   of my face I mean that stuff was fun it [TS]

00:50:25   was it it was fun but it was the kind of [TS]

00:50:29   like I don't know being in the middle of [TS]

00:50:32   it did not feel fun [TS]

00:50:34   I don't even even before the big [TS]

00:50:37   explosion [TS]

00:50:38   no because it was so it was so fuck you [TS]

00:50:43   that the fuck you was the fuck you was [TS]

00:50:45   like a fire hose of fuck you [TS]

00:50:47   it didn't feel to me like we are saying [TS]

00:50:49   fuck you to them [TS]

00:50:50   it felt to me like they were saying fuck [TS]

00:50:52   you to everybody [TS]

00:50:53   and that there's something less fun [TS]

00:50:56   about that certainly not as fun as you [TS]

00:50:59   imagine like being at the first red hot [TS]

00:51:04   chili pepper shows you know what I mean [TS]

00:51:06   like or whatever like oh yeah but yeah [TS]

00:51:08   the Southern California version of [TS]

00:51:11   punk-rock fun which was like what versus [TS]

00:51:16   the Seattle version of punk-rock fun [TS]

00:51:17   which was like I like seeing the [TS]

00:51:18   Buzzcocks women had an early days or [TS]

00:51:20   something would have been it would have [TS]

00:51:21   been hilarious and fun at up here it was [TS]

00:51:24   you know so attended to that whole we're [TS]

00:51:26   losers we suck thing that at least for [TS]

00:51:30   me and maybe it's maybe that it is that [TS]

00:51:32   at 21 years old I was a massive downer [TS]

00:51:34   and I failed to see the kind of ratty [TS]

00:51:38   humor of it but but it you know it felt [TS]

00:51:42   it felt real like like kind of college [TS]

00:51:46   radio superior it felt it felt in all [TS]

00:51:50   its funds is obviously it was a trying [TS]

00:51:53   to appear unselfconscious which make [TS]

00:51:55   better when in fact it was deeply [TS]

00:51:56   self-conscious it's just the fact that [TS]

00:51:58   was so Reverend of the Stooges you know [TS]

00:52:02   just just the idea that it would that [TS]

00:52:03   there was there was a kind of reference [TS]

00:52:05   in its irreverence that was exclusionary [TS]

00:52:10   of most like it was like it was woohoo [TS]

00:52:14   but you all but also you don't get it [TS]

00:52:17   everything about the Chili Peppers you [TS]

00:52:18   imagine those early shows where they're [TS]

00:52:20   just like four white guys playing folk [TS]

00:52:22   music and we're playing it fast and the [TS]

00:52:25   one guy can't sing well [TS]

00:52:27   propylparaben develop apps like there's [TS]

00:52:29   no there's no subtext there's barely a [TS]

00:52:31   text [TS]

00:52:33   it's just like let's take acid and dance [TS]

00:52:35   and and with the with the grunge thing [TS]

00:52:38   it was much more like what do you know [TS]

00:52:41   let's let's have some cough syrup open [TS]

00:52:43   and schedule a little bit and like and [TS]

00:52:45   like oh if you don't if if you don't [TS]

00:52:48   have the following records then you're [TS]

00:52:49   not going to get what this is about and [TS]

00:52:52   so it's all you're already out you're [TS]

00:52:54   already outside you can't be inside it [TS]

00:52:57   because of the only guys that are inside [TS]

00:52:59   of the two guys that are that have [TS]

00:53:01   decided like what the canonical records [TS]

00:53:04   are and that was my that was my take on [TS]

00:53:06   it and so a lot of those bands [TS]

00:53:07   in the middle period of seattle before [TS]

00:53:10   Andy came out they were we were we were [TS]

00:53:14   stands mata CLE reacting to grunge [TS]

00:53:19   grunge was so impressive and [TS]

00:53:21   particularly the heroine elements I mean [TS]

00:53:23   there's nothing less fun then you take [TS]

00:53:27   all those guys and then you make them [TS]

00:53:28   junkies like there's nothing less fun [TS]

00:53:30   than that it's not fun at all and so you [TS]

00:53:34   know the bun family players were like [TS]

00:53:35   let's play every kind of music at the [TS]

00:53:37   same time and we'll call ourselves the [TS]

00:53:40   bun family players so no one can [TS]

00:53:42   possibly like us you could not you could [TS]

00:53:46   not sell a single t-shirt for a band [TS]

00:53:48   called the bun family players there's [TS]

00:53:50   nothing cool about it and it and and [TS]

00:53:53   this busy monster was was the same like [TS]

00:53:55   so uncool and of course we were hoping [TS]

00:54:00   that that hyper uncoolness would be cool [TS]

00:54:04   because you know following the be [TS]

00:54:07   inextricable logic of park as you [TS]

00:54:10   plummet into profound uncoolness you get [TS]

00:54:15   closer to the source of truth and that [TS]

00:54:19   isn't the case we were just deeply [TS]

00:54:21   uncool [TS]

00:54:22   and-and-and-and impossible to listen to [TS]

00:54:25   and enjoy [TS]

00:54:27   we don't want thing about staying with [TS]

00:54:29   punk rock the LCD one thing you are [TS]

00:54:31   wonderful and you don't need this to go [TS]

00:54:34   out beyond not we are you know I think [TS]

00:54:40   about the the bands that I'm that I that [TS]

00:54:44   we've talked about the we both really [TS]

00:54:46   enjoyed it especially ones that the eve [TS]

00:54:47   mentioned as being very influential on [TS]

00:54:49   your on your taste in your styling and [TS]

00:54:50   you're so forth [TS]

00:54:51   e I'm just a couple times you get the [TS]

00:54:54   easy top ACDC the flapper no it's not [TS]

00:54:57   like such a tool like a guy who puts his [TS]

00:55:01   clippers artists don't don't play the [TS]

00:55:02   index cards on the top ACDC no no but [TS]

00:55:05   also like like Judas Priest I mean you [TS]

00:55:08   know or for me i mean i I'm sorry that I [TS]

00:55:10   guess they're considered work for me [TS]

00:55:11   like maybe like like The Ramones or you [TS]

00:55:15   know certain you know what though I mean [TS]

00:55:17   what looking at all those bands have in [TS]

00:55:19   common [TS]

00:55:19   you could come in look certainly def [TS]

00:55:21   leppard [TS]

00:55:21   they're ridiculously pretentious moments [TS]

00:55:23   but there's a simple is the wrong word [TS]

00:55:26   maybe instead of simplicity maybe once a [TS]

00:55:28   directness there's certainly a lot of [TS]

00:55:30   directness with ac/dc there's that you [TS]

00:55:33   know what i mean but what's X I'm saying [TS]

00:55:35   is like that's a debt so all of that is [TS]

00:55:36   so even when you know Rob Halford [TS]

00:55:38   singing about grinder you know looking [TS]

00:55:40   for me like me listening to that stuff [TS]

00:55:42   there's such there's still such a [TS]

00:55:44   directness to it it's why the first [TS]

00:55:45   remotes record to me still it's goofy [TS]

00:55:48   and stuff but those three chords or four [TS]

00:55:51   chords on some songs I mean that's [TS]

00:55:53   overstated you know what I mean there's [TS]

00:55:54   a certain directness and it just say [TS]

00:55:56   there are four chords on that record is [TS]

00:55:57   to overstate it [TS]

00:55:58   well I do the think that's it that's a [TS]

00:56:01   minor but the but you know what all [TS]

00:56:03   those have in common is that they have a [TS]

00:56:04   directness and if you take out the part [TS]

00:56:06   where you add this layer of outside [TS]

00:56:08   earnest or you know that you choose you [TS]

00:56:11   know that over time you cling to that [TS]

00:56:12   outside earnest and let's not get [TS]

00:56:13   started on that but I think sometimes [TS]

00:56:14   people are little embarrassed to like [TS]

00:56:17   things that are direct just as some [TS]

00:56:20   people are embarrassed to like something [TS]

00:56:21   that's a little byzantine like some [TS]

00:56:22   people don't want us like last night I [TS]

00:56:24   we're at a bar second part they like [TS]

00:56:26   Steely bear makes up everybody likes to [TS]

00:56:28   do well i mean i think about forty-nine [TS]

00:56:31   percent of the population [TS]

00:56:32   haha i've never had your waiter in [TS]

00:56:36   training and claimed to like Steely Dan [TS]

00:56:38   friend Allison a ghostie what she likes [TS]

00:56:42   this again i don't know i could swear [TS]

00:56:44   that she likes to lay there with my [TS]

00:56:46   pronouncing it right [TS]

00:56:47   however I got to go gossiping see that's [TS]

00:56:50   it that's a perfect example to host you [TS]

00:56:51   got thirsty [TS]

00:56:53   obviously no uncle Steve you know also [TS]

00:56:56   she's a she's like a she's a lobster [TS]

00:56:58   Langosta honesty but but I was like a [TS]

00:57:02   little bit love that ping-pong I think [TS]

00:57:04   we are your family when you leave the [TS]

00:57:08   fuck you [TS]

00:57:09   hey your friend been okayed by said fuck [TS]

00:57:11   you this petroliana i was listening to [TS]

00:57:14   the first black sabbath record the other [TS]

00:57:16   day not they let you know not this not [TS]

00:57:18   paranoid Black Sabbath department is [TS]

00:57:21   what the creepy like Hieronymus Bosch [TS]

00:57:23   looking cover [TS]

00:57:25   don't think enough yeah i'm looking [TS]

00:57:27   about your anyway go ahead Alex's black [TS]

00:57:29   SAP on it and they're there are there [TS]

00:57:34   are a lot of great tracks up on there [TS]

00:57:37   and but there's also there's also some [TS]

00:57:40   embarrassing moments on it where you get [TS]

00:57:42   the sense that Ozzy is trying to be [TS]

00:57:46   scary [TS]

00:57:47   yeah he understands they all understand [TS]

00:57:50   that they're making a new kind of music [TS]

00:57:52   and that it is scary sounding scary [TS]

00:57:55   music and Ozzy is ripping in his kind of [TS]

00:58:00   like oh yeah kill me down and he's like [TS]

00:58:06   trying to sound like he's being tortured [TS]

00:58:08   by the devil at and maybe in 1969 you'd [TS]

00:58:15   hear that and end it with you know for a [TS]

00:58:18   lot of people would be genuinely [TS]

00:58:19   frightening but you would have to be [TS]

00:58:22   about 10 years old i mean i understand [TS]

00:58:24   why why Sabbath was kind of panned by [TS]

00:58:27   the critics initially because we listen [TS]

00:58:31   to it now it just sounds like Sabbath [TS]

00:58:33   that's how that's how it's meant to [TS]

00:58:35   sound and in the context of the later [TS]

00:58:37   Sabbath records you get you get its [TS]

00:58:41   place and you understand what he's doing [TS]

00:58:43   but if you heard it [TS]

00:58:45   if you heard it like for the first time [TS]

00:58:47   you would say like oh it's some guys [TS]

00:58:50   trying to make Halloween music or the [TS]

00:58:53   head there they're trying too hard to be [TS]

00:58:55   spooky and it's and it just sounds dumb [TS]

00:58:59   and and yet like they are one of the [TS]

00:59:04   they're one of my favorite bands [TS]

00:59:05   certainly like a massive influence on me [TS]

00:59:07   personally in terms of like who I [TS]

00:59:11   worship in terms of my god versus the [TS]

00:59:14   devil do I think fairies wear boots i [TS]

00:59:20   yes i did not i haven't got a plan i [TS]

00:59:22   have it on good authority but you know [TS]

00:59:26   but yeah going back to that record and [TS]

00:59:27   trying to listen to it trying to listen [TS]

00:59:29   to that record trying to listen to [TS]

00:59:30   zeppelin one with fresh ears as though [TS]

00:59:34   you had not only never heard those [TS]

00:59:36   records but never heard those bands [TS]

00:59:37   and you're and you're a guy who's just [TS]

00:59:39   like buying records in 1968 like oh [TS]

00:59:44   let's check out these new bands and you [TS]

00:59:46   know it's not that hard to imagine why [TS]

00:59:49   music critics were like what this is [TS]

00:59:51   really like we've gone too far now and [TS]

00:59:55   the blues and heavy rock is being made [TS]

00:59:58   for kids now this is for [TS]

00:59:58   for kids now this is for [TS]

01:00:00   kids and it's only later it's only [TS]

01:00:03   because I guess we were kids when we [TS]

01:00:05   have for her at first but also like what [TS]

01:00:06   those bands became we can go back to [TS]

01:00:08   those records and say like yeah that's [TS]

01:00:11   tough but they're they're pretty mean [TS]

01:00:15   you know not to over use the term clown [TS]

01:00:18   act but you can cut in contrast to like [TS]

01:00:23   how serious that how serious the Blues [TS]

01:00:27   were being taken in 1966 pretty but that [TS]

01:00:31   that music is pretty funny [TS]

01:00:33   really i'm looking at the cover it's not [TS]

01:00:35   the one I was thinking of but it's it's [TS]

01:00:37   funny because it it looks like it's just [TS]

01:00:40   when Norwegian black metal band that has [TS]

01:00:44   the most ridiculous video I've ever seen [TS]

01:00:45   in my life I've linked to numerous times [TS]

01:00:47   and it's this it's this pan that's [TS]

01:00:49   created their own mythology about how [TS]

01:00:52   they're they're kind of like druids [TS]

01:00:54   protecting a kingdom of their own design [TS]

01:00:56   and is because that swing their beards [TS]

01:00:58   right are they squealing [TS]

01:00:59   well now it's in the video they're [TS]

01:01:01   standing like need knee-deep in a check [TS]

01:01:04   creek there like in brackish water with [TS]

01:01:06   the guitar is not plugged in hiding [TS]

01:01:07   behind piles of leaves and campaign [TS]

01:01:09   through it sounds like sounds like the [TS]

01:01:10   first king video [TS]

01:01:12   ah community with bushes if you know [TS]

01:01:17   what I mean [TS]

01:01:18   anyway it is weird that like I don't [TS]

01:01:21   know why I keep thinking this I think we [TS]

01:01:22   talked about this before but like it's [TS]

01:01:24   funny like what feels dangerous to [TS]

01:01:26   people at a certain time and in [TS]

01:01:29   retrospect I mean that I think we've [TS]

01:01:31   talked about this too much probably but [TS]

01:01:32   like judas priest and the whole like the [TS]

01:01:34   lawsuit you know that they go through [TS]

01:01:37   suicide do it and like when I was I mean [TS]

01:01:41   I room I I everybody remembers [TS]

01:01:43   backmasking everybody of our agents [TS]

01:01:44   hearing about bath backmasking and you [TS]

01:01:46   play records backwards and sometimes it [TS]

01:01:48   was deliberate but my grandma who was [TS]

01:01:50   she was not yet Pentecostal she was on [TS]

01:01:53   the slide to Pentecostal but you know [TS]

01:01:55   she would know by cassette tapes from TV [TS]

01:01:57   ministers and she you know we share one [TS]

01:01:59   with me about like what what all this [TS]

01:02:01   music actually meant and it at the time [TS]

01:02:04   it felt so booga-booga like in the same [TS]

01:02:07   way as Dungeons and Dragons felt really [TS]

01:02:09   booga-booga at the time you're going to [TS]

01:02:11   my god in retrospect you [TS]

01:02:13   can you imagine in retrospect and [TS]

01:02:15   setting you aside someone who actually [TS]

01:02:16   literally would play in the sewer like [TS]

01:02:17   but for most of us but we were good we [TS]

01:02:20   were sitting around with dozens of dice [TS]

01:02:22   and books and like that casting spells [TS]

01:02:26   yeah more like you know throwing people [TS]

01:02:29   in the back of a van it was could hardly [TS]

01:02:31   have been more nerdy and now I mean when [TS]

01:02:34   you go back and listen to some of the [TS]

01:02:35   stuff all the stuff that seems so [TS]

01:02:36   dangerous like at a certain time I mean [TS]

01:02:39   you can also understand like somebody [TS]

01:02:41   your grandmother's generation all of a [TS]

01:02:43   sudden it is the it is all the rage [TS]

01:02:45   among teenagers to be practicing [TS]

01:02:47   witchcraft basically you can see where [TS]

01:02:50   it freaked him out i mean there isn't [TS]

01:02:51   anything comparable now culturally [TS]

01:02:55   except except that the internet is like [TS]

01:02:58   a like a blanket [TS]

01:03:01   there be dragons for old people they [TS]

01:03:05   don't know what the kids are doing on [TS]

01:03:06   their sending a snapchat pictures of [TS]

01:03:10   their cooters to each other but but you [TS]

01:03:14   think about I mean I remember walking [TS]

01:03:15   home school can capture that computer [TS]

01:03:17   could perhaps a goose maps [TS]

01:03:20   oh my god that's our app that there's no [TS]

01:03:22   a in its snps oh we just made a billion [TS]

01:03:26   dollars get marco on the phone snaps [TS]

01:03:30   snaps so it will set it to someone's [TS]

01:03:35   face of us out the Sailor whoever lot of [TS]

01:03:37   myspace and it will be aboard the [TS]

01:03:39   million dollars billion dollars anyway I [TS]

01:03:41   remember walking home from school during [TS]

01:03:43   the dungeons and dragons hysteria [TS]

01:03:45   hysteria hysterical i think that you're [TS]

01:03:50   thinking out there that that's one after [TS]

01:03:52   he lost the arm [TS]

01:03:53   yeah person I and I i was walking home [TS]

01:03:57   in the seventh grade or something like [TS]

01:03:59   that and really really really focusing [TS]

01:04:01   all of my psionic ability to test [TS]

01:04:08   whether or not I actually did have some [TS]

01:04:12   kind of magic [TS]

01:04:14   oh really and what I mean I walking by [TS]

01:04:17   myself it's 40 degrees below zero and [TS]

01:04:20   what there's no there's no one on the [TS]

01:04:22   streets not even cars because no one is [TS]

01:04:24   no it's crazy enough to go out [TS]

01:04:26   and I'm what you know I walked home from [TS]

01:04:28   school every day and it was a couple of [TS]

01:04:30   miles and on these really really cold [TS]

01:04:32   days I was it was like I was in another [TS]

01:04:35   world i was in another the the [TS]

01:04:38   environment was so because when it's [TS]

01:04:40   that cold like the air freezes kind of [TS]

01:04:43   in front of you and your intentions and [TS]

01:04:44   like there's there's such a it must be [TS]

01:04:46   so there's something less than [TS]

01:04:48   monochromatic like that right [TS]

01:04:50   it's just you must be purely like like [TS]

01:04:52   whiteout and so cold that you [TS]

01:04:54   I mean I've been so-called sometimes I [TS]

01:04:55   get confused yeah you might not exactly [TS]

01:04:58   practically hallucinate right yeah and [TS]

01:05:00   on this particular day I got home and my [TS]

01:05:02   head and unusually my sister was home [TS]

01:05:06   she was never home after school I don't [TS]

01:05:08   know whether she's homesick or what it [TS]

01:05:10   was but I cut I got home and my sisters [TS]

01:05:12   and normally I would have been I would [TS]

01:05:14   have been arriving home by myself and I [TS]

01:05:16   was my extremities were numb and I was [TS]

01:05:20   like completely like like you're saying [TS]

01:05:24   groggy not sure what you know kind of [TS]

01:05:27   confused and I was struggling to get the [TS]

01:05:31   key in the lock and she opened the door [TS]

01:05:33   she was like my god what are you doing [TS]

01:05:35   outside and she rushes me and she put me [TS]

01:05:38   in the bathtub and my sister was when I [TS]

01:05:41   was 12 or something so she was nine and [TS]

01:05:44   she didn't usually take control can't [TS]

01:05:47   take command of of me that way to [TS]

01:05:50   command of the situation she got me and [TS]

01:05:52   got me address got me in a hot bath tub [TS]

01:05:54   and was just like what are you crazy [TS]

01:05:58   what were you doing outside and the [TS]

01:05:59   reality was I was out there walking home [TS]

01:06:02   pretty slowly like focusing my attention [TS]

01:06:05   on making magic if I could just [TS]

01:06:13   you know like it so it was a version of [TS]

01:06:15   that show me a sign God if you are real [TS]

01:06:18   show me a sign but I was when I was like [TS]

01:06:20   conjure and orb time just conjure if you [TS]

01:06:27   can just conjure one orb then that will [TS]

01:06:30   be the beginning i conjure glowing orb [TS]

01:06:33   and you know I'm really really working [TS]

01:06:36   hard because I imagined that magic might [TS]

01:06:40   be the solution to my to my girl [TS]

01:06:42   problems [TS]

01:06:43   it might be the solution to I think [TS]

01:06:45   that's so much more common than anyone [TS]

01:06:47   wants to do this to dealing with girl [TS]

01:06:50   with dealing with bullies you know this [TS]

01:06:52   was at the time of my life when I was [TS]

01:06:54   kind of the most bullied and the most it [TS]

01:06:57   was it was because i started [TS]

01:06:58   kindergarten when I was four [TS]

01:07:01   it's right at that puberty corner that's [TS]

01:07:05   really start to notice the sixer [TS]

01:07:07   yeah haven't you noticed those guys that [TS]

01:07:09   are a full year older than you in the [TS]

01:07:10   same grade and they're like they have [TS]

01:07:13   deep voices now a man is growing [TS]

01:07:15   mustaches and like ancestors and the [TS]

01:07:17   head i'm out walking in the cold trying [TS]

01:07:20   to conjure an orbit haha and but I [TS]

01:07:24   really I mean I and you know I'm not I'm [TS]

01:07:28   not a I'm not just some dumb kid get [TS]

01:07:30   swept up in a fat I was like this this [TS]

01:07:34   proximity to magic and to this realm of [TS]

01:07:39   dice and everybody talking about magic [TS]

01:07:41   like it's serious business [TS]

01:07:44   and-and-and people talking about it in [TS]

01:07:46   time magazine and and like adults [TS]

01:07:49   concerned about kids toying with don't [TS]

01:07:53   you might see like a local news thing or [TS]

01:07:54   a twenty20 thing about mainly I I think [TS]

01:07:57   mainly the Satanic quote-unquote aspects [TS]

01:08:00   of it but all of that convinced me if [TS]

01:08:02   the adults are so scared of it that [TS]

01:08:04   there's some got to be something to it [TS]

01:08:05   and so if and I believed about myself my [TS]

01:08:08   whole life if there was anyone who was [TS]

01:08:12   born with magic it had to be me [TS]

01:08:17   for the love of God had to be me if [TS]

01:08:20   there if there were really mutants and [TS]

01:08:22   there had been some other kid at my [TS]

01:08:24   school who had a legitimate mutation [TS]

01:08:27   where he had laser beam shoot out of his [TS]

01:08:29   eyes or a touch you and make you cold [TS]

01:08:33   and have a cool white stripe in your [TS]

01:08:34   bangs or control metal make make metal [TS]

01:08:40   fly through the air stopped looking kind [TS]

01:08:42   of father John if their work if there [TS]

01:08:44   were really kids that had those skills [TS]

01:08:46   and i had not been one of them I was a [TS]

01:08:48   normal i would i would have argued a [TS]

01:08:51   heartbroken not only what I've been our [TS]

01:08:53   programmer but i would have gone to war [TS]

01:08:55   against you i think everybody does this [TS]

01:09:02   I think everybody's ice but I tried to [TS]

01:09:03   explain dungeons and dragons to my [TS]

01:09:04   daughter today we were out playing and [TS]

01:09:08   that's you know whatever but like like [TS]

01:09:10   it's been for the last week or so she's [TS]

01:09:12   Captain America and Iron Man and then I [TS]

01:09:13   told her that I if it's okay with her I [TS]

01:09:15   want to make a switch because I'm kind [TS]

01:09:16   of getting more into dr. strange and and [TS]

01:09:19   and i was explaining why that's weird [TS]

01:09:20   for me but I think I try to explain how [TS]

01:09:23   the convention & Dragons this actually [TS]

01:09:25   is kind of on topic weirdly in two ways [TS]

01:09:28   um on the one hand I think everybody [TS]

01:09:30   does like to think that they can do [TS]

01:09:31   magic and I think everybody in their [TS]

01:09:32   teen years whether they would ever call [TS]

01:09:34   it that you might not you might call it [TS]

01:09:36   that but the ability like for example [TS]

01:09:38   she is convinced that she can know the [TS]

01:09:39   future like she knows that she [TS]

01:09:41   connection knows that things are going [TS]

01:09:42   to happen she's constantly wrong but she [TS]

01:09:44   you know she throws up those and [TS]

01:09:45   remembers where she did predict the [TS]

01:09:47   future right [TS]

01:09:48   um but but like I think I've talked to [TS]

01:09:51   lots of people about this whether that's [TS]

01:09:52   like hypnotizing figure how to hypnotize [TS]

01:09:54   girls or figuring out how to like make [TS]

01:09:57   up [TS]

01:09:58   can bully have diarrhea like everybody's [TS]

01:10:00   it's a time when your life is so [TS]

01:10:01   confused and full of like dark grey [TS]

01:10:04   magic that like you might as well piss [TS]

01:10:07   on a spark plug because you never know [TS]

01:10:08   what might work right and you [TS]

01:10:10   concentrate on so few things other than [TS]

01:10:12   things that make you want to masturbate [TS]

01:10:13   for example that like that's the closest [TS]

01:10:15   thing to get to meditation when you're [TS]

01:10:16   thirteen is getting into the spot where [TS]

01:10:18   you want to produce an orb right or stop [TS]

01:10:21   Tara stop thought maybe you'd always [TS]

01:10:23   convinced I could do these things yeah I [TS]

01:10:25   used to sit and look and i would i would [TS]

01:10:27   try to I the colors of cars have a big [TS]

01:10:29   bearing on my life because I would need [TS]

01:10:31   to try to make decisions and see signs [TS]

01:10:32   of God but I would also use it to test [TS]

01:10:34   whether or not I could predict the [TS]

01:10:36   future you would say the next car that [TS]

01:10:38   comes around the corner is going to be [TS]

01:10:39   yellow and that means that i'm gonna [TS]

01:10:41   take a left instead of right and go play [TS]

01:10:43   video games [TS]

01:10:44   well or I will I will call her or more [TS]

01:10:47   subtly she will call me right LOL VW [TS]

01:10:51   that's what i'm looking for like bugs [TS]

01:10:54   bug house [TS]

01:10:55   punch buggy had also explained to her [TS]

01:10:57   that like I don't do this John I need to [TS]

01:11:00   get any to get I need to get an older [TS]

01:11:01   brother not a younger child but i was [TS]

01:11:03   explaining explaining classes to her and [TS]

01:11:06   how like you can have different kinds of [TS]

01:11:08   fighters but i think it's a expecting [TS]

01:11:10   but right now I'm looking at my dad my [TS]

01:11:14   dungeons and dragons dice I'm pulling [TS]

01:11:16   them out i right feeling so much more [TS]

01:11:17   drawn between adventure time and dr. [TS]

01:11:19   strange like I've been feeling more and [TS]

01:11:21   more drawn back into it and I'm thinking [TS]

01:11:22   what feel like we need to get wilwheaton [TS]

01:11:24   on this podcast that's not going to [TS]

01:11:26   happen with liquor there i'm gonna i'm [TS]

01:11:28   gonna roll you're gonna conjure fallen [TS]

01:11:30   storm if you're not careful [TS]

01:11:32   o.o save vs permanent opportunity i [TS]

01:11:39   forgot that i have a have a green [TS]

01:11:41   20-sided die in addition to my almighty [TS]

01:11:43   i predicted that I knew that I knew that [TS]

01:11:45   but I feel like it's funny that like I [TS]

01:11:47   like I've been reading this thing called [TS]

01:11:48   Infinity Gauntlet which is like just [TS]

01:11:50   full of like crystals and magic and [TS]

01:11:53   Doctor Strange making the freehand thing [TS]

01:11:55   and like it but it would and here's the [TS]

01:11:57   funny thing like when we played the most [TS]

01:11:59   boneheaded Ramones version of D&D that [TS]

01:12:02   you could play there's so much we didn't [TS]

01:12:04   do we didn't do psionics varieties [TS]

01:12:06   didn't follow turns so sure we played [TS]

01:12:10   we just didn't know if he was really [TS]

01:12:12   roll for anything other than damage know [TS]

01:12:14   like nobody wanted to be a cleric God [TS]

01:12:16   nobody wanted to be an illusionist who [TS]

01:12:18   wanted to be a cleric it was it was a [TS]

01:12:20   universal joke like nobody was fern [TS]

01:12:23   imagine those demons that were actually [TS]

01:12:24   rolling to determine what their [TS]

01:12:27   characters did next like characters and [TS]

01:12:30   do the ghost with a kind of game game [TS]

01:12:32   playing p.m. or something like that [TS]

01:12:34   where that we're term we should be like [TS]

01:12:36   like being God and Joe but the same time [TS]

01:12:39   yeah instead of being a DM was like well [TS]

01:12:41   the the ghosts put on a crown of mind [TS]

01:12:44   they turn your bones to jelly not [TS]

01:12:46   putting it [TS]

01:12:46   here's the beauty part is you can also [TS]

01:12:48   play by yourself [TS]

01:12:50   yeah right it has the DVD version of [TS]

01:12:53   talking to yourself you could you could [TS]

01:12:54   make your own Dutch intention you like [TS]

01:12:56   some people check themselves right [TS]

01:12:58   yes I mean I take on a percentage of a [TS]

01:13:00   role for that uh yeah well there was a [TS]

01:13:02   there was what was the most recent 1i [TS]

01:13:07   see a movie where they are the bad guys [TS]

01:13:09   playing chess with himself [TS]

01:13:10   oh I think I got to tell you I mean I [TS]

01:13:12   think if you're looking to be some kind [TS]

01:13:14   of a Bond villain chest figure heavily I [TS]

01:13:16   don't think I don't think nice people [TS]

01:13:17   choose to play chess I think they're [TS]

01:13:19   challenged to chest chest to me is one [TS]

01:13:22   of those things that's it you know what [TS]

01:13:23   I mean they're called to it like the [TS]

01:13:24   ministry to meet chess is like wearing a [TS]

01:13:27   narrow jacket you know it's one of those [TS]

01:13:29   things like like you're a Bond villain [TS]

01:13:31   like if you have your own Island [TS]

01:13:33   ordinary jacket or like a stroke at [TS]

01:13:35   certainly these are great indicators [TS]

01:13:37   yeah you're probably up on villain I [TS]

01:13:39   really wanted to be a chess kid you know [TS]

01:13:42   just be a high IQ kid in a chip in the [TS]

01:13:45   chest kids like me and I hi cute kid you [TS]

01:13:47   get to wear a big hat to wear dark [TS]

01:13:49   turtle interviewed yeah right yeah i [TS]

01:13:52   mean you can you can have like crazy Bob [TS]

01:13:54   Dylan Einstein hair and everybody's like [TS]

01:13:57   you know that it's it's like it's like [TS]

01:13:59   having magic here the chest kid like you [TS]

01:14:01   doing at your hand with grownups [TS]

01:14:03   yeah exactly you are immune to the to [TS]

01:14:05   the of the vagaries of childhood you can [TS]

01:14:08   go right two grown-up status and skip [TS]

01:14:12   all the in between but the chest was [TS]

01:14:15   just like [TS]

01:14:16   I've never won a game of chess in my [TS]

01:14:18   entire life all that thinking ahead and [TS]

01:14:21   then thinking ahead ahead and then you [TS]

01:14:23   still get your ass handed to you by just [TS]

01:14:26   like just a random 30 year old who's not [TS]

01:14:29   even trying [TS]

01:14:30   you're like fuck I don't have this i [TS]

01:14:32   don't have this gift okay now this gets [TS]

01:14:34   back to magic like there are some people [TS]

01:14:36   who think like being able to come up [TS]

01:14:37   with a witty remark seems like magic [TS]

01:14:40   there are some people who think being [TS]

01:14:41   able to play drums and not be stupid is [TS]

01:14:43   magic and and like to me it was anything [TS]

01:14:47   but I but to me like seeing people who [TS]

01:14:50   not only understand and remember the [TS]

01:14:52   rules of chess but but can I can do it [TS]

01:14:54   completely boggles my mind they might as [TS]

01:14:57   well be teleporting to me [TS]

01:14:58   did you know what I mean it's in the [TS]

01:15:00   same way that somebody like if you've [TS]

01:15:01   seen one of those videos of pablo [TS]

01:15:03   picasso even way after his prime drawing [TS]

01:15:05   or painting and just watch him make a [TS]

01:15:07   few lines turn into something even if [TS]

01:15:10   it's shitty Picasso it's still like [TS]

01:15:11   mind-blowing that's how I feel like [TS]

01:15:13   watching people play chess [TS]

01:15:15   I don't understand how they you have to [TS]

01:15:17   have a different brain to do that [TS]

01:15:18   yeah yeah that was not the way that was [TS]

01:15:22   not the way for us to escape childhood [TS]

01:15:24   and in fact neither of us did we had to [TS]

01:15:26   endure every painful moment of it [TS]

01:15:29   here's the other thing and think about [TS]

01:15:32   when I'm sorry we haven't talked about [TS]

01:15:33   Johnny Carson [TS]

01:15:34   but but but if you think about like all [TS]

01:15:36   the other like the bugbears if you like [TS]

01:15:39   right of the nineteen seventies and [TS]

01:15:41   eighties and you look at stuff like dnd [TS]

01:15:42   ok like heavy asthmatic kids with dice [TS]

01:15:46   you look at motley crue I mean like 5th [TS]

01:15:49   generation glam with you know temporary [TS]

01:15:54   tattoo Satanism right you look at all [TS]

01:15:57   that stuff and then think about who the [TS]

01:15:59   real fucking maniacs are a guy who's in [TS]

01:16:02   the rotary club club that dresses up [TS]

01:16:04   like a clown John Wayne Gacy did not [TS]

01:16:07   have pentagrams no he did not [TS]

01:16:10   and he did not you know what I'm saying [TS]

01:16:11   you think about it until you see these [TS]

01:16:12   guys in the dusters where pancake makeup [TS]

01:16:14   and going whoohoo spooky but it's the [TS]

01:16:17   it's the it's the analogy of these angle [TS]

01:16:20   here we go [TS]

01:16:23   set your watch by it yes the finality or [TS]

01:16:28   but Nala tosh.0 special is a horse [TS]

01:16:31   that's alive that right like more drama [TS]

01:16:34   we leavin leaving from leaves leandro [TS]

01:16:37   leavin leaving around [TS]

01:16:39   yeah uh I do not I don't you know i'm [TS]

01:16:44   saying is the title about one that's all [TS]

01:16:45   that great now you're not gonna [TS]

01:16:47   acknowledge it [TS]

01:16:48   are you allowed to talk about horse [TS]

01:16:49   vessel in Germany today sure okay but [TS]

01:16:53   you can't sell stuff on ebay you [TS]

01:16:54   couldn't sell the horse vessel out 45 or [TS]

01:16:57   something [TS]

01:16:57   well you know I don't know what those [TS]

01:16:58   rules are I think you can talk about [TS]

01:16:59   Nazism it's all they talked about him in [TS]

01:17:02   der Spiegel but a but you just can't [TS]

01:17:07   talk admiringly about it i think you [TS]

01:17:10   could probably that's subtle [TS]

01:17:11   yeah it is i think you could probably [TS]

01:17:12   sell that stuff if you were selling it [TS]

01:17:15   if you were selling it to a museum of [TS]

01:17:19   its long and not yet sir its educational [TS]

01:17:22   or cultural and not for its previous [TS]

01:17:24   value right right [TS]

01:17:26   I bit but but again i don't know i don't [TS]

01:17:28   know all i don't know all of that I mean [TS]

01:17:31   I was thinking today was thinking today [TS]

01:17:33   Berlin that maybe maybe what I'm gonna [TS]

01:17:36   do [TS]

01:17:36   here's my plan it's a little bit water [TS]

01:17:39   what is this one of your new thought [TS]

01:17:40   technologies [TS]

01:17:41   this is a new thought technology what if [TS]

01:17:44   i get an old at all oil tanker [TS]

01:17:48   I could like I'm talk about a ship a [TS]

01:17:51   giant ship and i construct an arena on [TS]

01:17:56   it on the unopened arena that seats [TS]

01:18:00   let's say 15,000 people on the deck of a [TS]

01:18:05   giant oil tanker then I park it in [TS]

01:18:08   international waters and I hold [TS]

01:18:12   tournaments where teams representing [TS]

01:18:17   various religions stick fight to the [TS]

01:18:23   death and we as we know it's a it's a [TS]

01:18:27   it's a secular night none it's a [TS]

01:18:30   non-secular neighborhood stick fight [TS]

01:18:32   that's right [TS]

01:18:33   so for instance like market parking [TS]

01:18:36   somewhere and then the first question I [TS]

01:18:38   had was our their international waters [TS]

01:18:40   in the Mediterranean or is the [TS]

01:18:42   Mediterranean so small that all of this [TS]

01:18:44   there's a little lot of stick fighting [TS]

01:18:46   Catholics there I've got a guess [TS]

01:18:47   well so that's what i'm saying so we [TS]

01:18:48   probably in between you got the Arabians [TS]

01:18:50   you like the papist it's a party itself [TS]

01:18:53   partnerships somewhere off of Crete and [TS]

01:18:57   you say okay you know because the [TS]

01:18:59   internet is international you don't have [TS]

01:19:02   to go on any national television [TS]

01:19:04   he just say on the Internet ok we are [TS]

01:19:06   accepting applications for teams from [TS]

01:19:08   Palestine Israel Lebanon uh you know [TS]

01:19:15   Orthodox Greece it's almost like the [TS]

01:19:18   opposite of the Olympics it's not to [TS]

01:19:21   create Brotherhood is to settle old [TS]

01:19:22   scores [TS]

01:19:23   that's right shuttle settle old scores [TS]

01:19:25   and there are no restrictions like put [TS]

01:19:28   together a team of five you can you can [TS]

01:19:31   make it all of the bat the best mixed [TS]

01:19:34   martial artists in your country or like [TS]

01:19:37   all of the most ruthless like criminals [TS]

01:19:40   or whatever there's did there no [TS]

01:19:41   limitations and we're just gonna settle [TS]

01:19:44   we're just going to settle some stuff [TS]

01:19:46   I'm not saying that any we're not [TS]

01:19:47   actually like we're not settling [TS]

01:19:49   anything not resolving anything forever [TS]

01:19:51   cuz he's completing an annual event you [TS]

01:19:52   have to advertise the purchase of the [TS]

01:19:54   ship yet we're not settling anything in [TS]

01:19:56   law right we're just culturally settling [TS]

01:19:58   grievances like let's get let's get the [TS]

01:20:01   Palestinian [TS]

01:20:02   team Israeli to hear the Irish you get [TS]

01:20:04   the right but you couldn't keep the [TS]

01:20:07   Irish away to look at fight the fight [TS]

01:20:09   everybody but everyone mad about [TS]

01:20:10   everything [TS]

01:20:11   the Norwegians you know this course will [TS]

01:20:13   you take a little bit into that you [TS]

01:20:15   start to wonder those those countries [TS]

01:20:16   that that got smacked on to Germany the [TS]

01:20:19   pre-world War One tribes you bring them [TS]

01:20:21   out and get the captain to bring their [TS]

01:20:23   their regional check sticks that's right [TS]

01:20:26   here's the thing everybody in the [TS]

01:20:27   listeners thinking how are you gonna [TS]

01:20:28   make money off of this if it's only five [TS]

01:20:30   people no because they're going to bring [TS]

01:20:32   their fans they can be wearing their [TS]

01:20:33   scarves from Palestine or manual united [TS]

01:20:36   or whatever we're simulcasting this [TS]

01:20:38   around the world pay-per-view because [TS]

01:20:39   the internet that's right because the [TS]

01:20:41   internet there's 50 and you put we [TS]

01:20:42   probably designed and a half [TS]

01:20:44   you know I that day you can watch it on [TS]

01:20:46   your phone or on your other your beer [TS]

01:20:49   market looking for projects and so and [TS]

01:20:52   what I'm saying is then you come out and [TS]

01:20:55   your uniform is just your feet you're [TS]

01:20:57   all wearing t-shirts with the emblem of [TS]

01:21:00   your religion on the shirt so you get [TS]

01:21:02   you either get a you get us the star of [TS]

01:21:04   David's against the crescent moons and [TS]

01:21:07   you get the you know the the Catholic [TS]

01:21:09   cross versus the Orthodox cross and you [TS]

01:21:12   know everybody is just out there like [TS]

01:21:14   you know exactly what who the teams are [TS]

01:21:17   and they're just they're just stick [TS]

01:21:19   fighting the shit out of each other on [TS]

01:21:20   this on this water world and supertanker [TS]

01:21:24   em simulcasting around the world and [TS]

01:21:28   this is not something where we're going [TS]

01:21:30   to sit and have some it's about a border [TS]

01:21:32   dispute that's been going on for mm 45 [TS]

01:21:36   years [TS]

01:21:36   no no it's a fight that should be [TS]

01:21:39   hitting people the fucking stick and i'm [TS]

01:21:40   guessing that over time that the the [TS]

01:21:44   most militant people of every culture [TS]

01:21:48   the people who are most agitating for [TS]

01:21:51   violence in their respective cultures [TS]

01:21:53   would gradually not if not immediately [TS]

01:21:57   they would immediately you would see [TS]

01:21:59   that this was just a that this was just [TS]

01:22:01   a publicity or that this was just some [TS]

01:22:03   some like gross [TS]

01:22:06   pulling a sensationalistic way for John [TS]

01:22:10   yeah super trying to make a buck right [TS]

01:22:12   it's just a sensationalistic American [TS]

01:22:14   supertrain based you know probably like [TS]

01:22:17   fake problem solver [TS]

01:22:18   but over time if we kept at it gradually [TS]

01:22:22   the most militant parts of every culture [TS]

01:22:24   would start directing their energy [TS]

01:22:26   toward fight boat you stop spinning as [TS]

01:22:30   you said John with you bring [TS]

01:22:31   neighborhood stick fights back we're [TS]

01:22:32   gonna spend less time at the mall buying [TS]

01:22:34   football jerseys and work it's going to [TS]

01:22:36   be it's going to be somewhere between [TS]

01:22:37   like The Hunger Games Logan's Run and [TS]

01:22:41   either of the two world wars [TS]

01:22:43   yeah there's but I mean but it's going [TS]

01:22:44   to be it's going to be something with an [TS]

01:22:45   end right i mean for that year for me [TS]

01:22:48   for that season if you turn but it's [TS]

01:22:49   contained on the boat and the bend to [TS]

01:22:52   what the winter with every tanker [TS]

01:22:53   seasons there will be a rolling season [TS]

01:22:55   how would that work well because it's a [TS]

01:22:57   boat we can go we can go [TS]

01:22:58   you know like in the mo the northern [TS]

01:23:01   winter we can go down to the poplin [TS]

01:23:02   islands we can go over to let me think [TS]

01:23:04   about all the different stick fight Yugi [TS]

01:23:08   solution i could see some Protestant [TS]

01:23:10   signing on for a pretty long cruise just [TS]

01:23:13   a while their cocks fight just going [TS]

01:23:15   around the Gulf of Mexico and just just [TS]

01:23:18   the just people in their Alabama [TS]

01:23:20   tuscaloosa missing backers la mexicana [TS]

01:23:24   all just just parked off the coast of [TS]

01:23:27   Galveston and people would be settling [TS]

01:23:29   Texas grievances for an entire year [TS]

01:23:31   oh my god John this did it extends on so [TS]

01:23:34   many levels and plus everybody likes [TS]

01:23:35   cruises right so you can get on there [TS]

01:23:38   and this could kill other thing is I i [TS]

01:23:40   almost wish you'd seen that hunger games [TS]

01:23:41   movie because it it's kind of similar [TS]

01:23:43   like we're basically you get people from [TS]

01:23:45   all of these as they say districts and [TS]

01:23:47   they come in and they're compelled to [TS]

01:23:49   fight each other to death but I think in [TS]

01:23:50   this case like a sacrifice situation [TS]

01:23:52   right where is it is it is it is a [TS]

01:23:55   dystopia unlike super training in this [TS]

01:23:57   case maybe it's something like that [TS]

01:23:58   maybe you might get some better food but [TS]

01:24:00   you're definitely get a boat right out [TS]

01:24:01   of it and somebody's gonna get their ass [TS]

01:24:03   kicked and this is all completely [TS]

01:24:04   voluntary because what we're trying to [TS]

01:24:06   do is attract the people who have this [TS]

01:24:09   in their blood who want to settle their [TS]

01:24:11   grievances this way we're giving them a [TS]

01:24:13   venue for the score settlers for servers [TS]

01:24:15   and think about all the guys from [TS]

01:24:17   Finland not to mention the people of [TS]

01:24:19   central [TS]

01:24:20   germany who traditionally when for other [TS]

01:24:22   people's battles i mean i would now that [TS]

01:24:25   that's a good question could we should [TS]

01:24:27   there be ringers I don't know how long [TS]

01:24:30   the Civil War you could you could have a [TS]

01:24:31   go fight for you [TS]

01:24:33   yeah I don't think I don't think you [TS]

01:24:34   should I think you should think there [TS]

01:24:35   could be like a test of faith in [TS]

01:24:37   addition like congratulation people's [TS]

01:24:39   noses or something like that would fix [TS]

01:24:41   up you take a look at their you have [TS]

01:24:42   been charms [TS]

01:24:44   um it would be open to whatever you [TS]

01:24:46   would have them wear clothing that's [TS]

01:24:48   tight fitting enough to see if the women [TS]

01:24:50   or the men have been circumsized right [TS]

01:24:52   you just so you know we stand + let's be [TS]

01:24:54   honest it has a sexual component to it [TS]

01:24:55   that I think people would really enjoy [TS]

01:24:57   oh hello t-shirts with the religious [TS]

01:24:59   emblems yes had no pants finish [TS]