182: Full-Fledged Force Mullet
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the incontrovertible number 182
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february2014 well here we are again did
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I call this meeting of the incomparable
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Star Wars Club to order we went through
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the original movies we went and watched
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episode one we let a reasonable amount
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of time lapse so that we could recover
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and we're back to talk about star wars
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episode episode I should let me let me
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punch with this properly Star Wars dash
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episode to Roman numeral colon
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attack of the clones right I think
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that's the right way to to get official
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title i got a wrong last time so I'm
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making sure I get it right this time and
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just to explain we would like to talk
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about star wars we did two episode
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chunks about each of the original three
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movies and then by popular demand they
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asked us to talk about
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I you listeners asked us to talk about
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the prequels which were which we denied
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all knowledge of before 1i listeners
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one-night-only we bring it back and we
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talked about it and so that leads us to
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this unfortunate moment which is what we
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watch Star Wars Episode two and now
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we're going to talk about it
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I want to I want to leave some warnings
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right here which is although we love
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Star Wars especially the original
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trilogy of prequels we don't love so
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much and although we try not to do whole
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episodes about things we know we're
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gonna hate be just to destroy them every
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now and then catharsis is good for the
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soul i believe and that's I think what
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you're probably going to here tonight is
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some some catharsis about a movie that
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we don't like although you never know
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Monty might say the things are there me
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my blow our minds with things that he
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likes about it i think it's unlikely
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might not do it might have created some
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other insane an unlikely backstory to
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make it all better for himself so let me
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introduce the the participants here
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before we get started
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skewered you heard Steve let's hi Steve
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hi Jason you watch the movie can we
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confirm that I i think i did alright i
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saw you get started actually with her in
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little pieces over yes I took me three
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it took me three nights and it felt like
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about 30 that's the worst Hanukkah ever
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all right as i will as i will discuss
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I have difficulty remembering this film
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so all right well do your best you can
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make for you I'll do it again
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alright i took extensive notes and until
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they turn into just horrible filthy
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scrolling is at the end of the list and
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i should be able to work from the right
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that it's it's never a good sign when
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you start with detail the film criticism
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notes and it ends in a suicide note
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yeah never a good son Monty actually is
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also here hi Monty by Jason good to have
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you here and to be here and he required
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me watching this may be there we go okay
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Dan more in you I believe watch this
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just moments ago flophouse style before
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the recording of this podcast is that
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correcting deed for the first time in 12
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wow that's good and they haven't seen it
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since i saw it in the theater so thanks
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for reminding me yeah thank you for your
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commitment to the podcast is what i have
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to say i am going to be committed at the
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end of this podcast that may also be
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serenity Caldwell I believe also joined
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you for this fine squeak screaming right
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before we begin recording hello
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unfortunately yes hello Jason I always
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watching with somebody
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yeah I you know is I'd watch them
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watching this movie when it came out in
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2002 was I think a much better
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experience for me and I'm really
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watching it tonight but there was snark
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involved tonight so it was a little bit
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that's good and of course you wouldn't
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miss one it's john siracusa hello i
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guess i can add another data point to
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this experiment and say that I to took
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three separate occasions to make it
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through this movie took two for me I i
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had to break right I rip the band-aid
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off and did in one good job
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well okay so I i have a little bit of a
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synopsis here in my notes that like I
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said trails off into sadness at the end
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or trails often incoherence at the end
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it starts really with sadness and goes
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but before I do I would like to ask if
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anybody particularly John Syracuse has
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any opening remarks as we often like to
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do especially for star wars episodes
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John do you have any room works i do
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have a very brief opening statement
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right I've heard the dan moore and also
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as well as well so he can go after me if
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you would like I don't already sent them
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very generous thank you job
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alright so i'm going to start with a
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brief review of my theory of the meta
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failure of the Star Wars prequels this
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is a repeat of anyone who has listened
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to the Phantom Menace episode this is
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just a quick summary of that so to recap
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that the reason these movies exist is to
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explain how Luke's father became Darth
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Vader because that's what we all want to
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know after seeing the first three movies
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and episode 1 didn't really do much in
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that regard to contribute to the effort
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towards my concern
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yeah it's my contention that the entire
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prequels the whole totally failed to
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achieve this goal and this is aside from
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their failings as an individual movie so
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that's the big bang theory but all that
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said going into episode 2 in 2002 i was
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actually cautiously optimistic for a
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couple of reasons about the second movie
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first I knew that Anakin will be played
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by different older and presumably better
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actor so thumbs up on that different
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second so much for presuming a sensible
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episode 2 was rumored to be darker than
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episode 1 and I figured she's after all
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that jar stuff darker has got to be
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better right at the best action scene in
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episode one was the lightsaber battle at
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the end and episode to promise to have
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more lightsaber battles Anna I sale this
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basically to explain that I wouldn't
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episode 2 I didn't go into a determined
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to hate it i went in thinking you could
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still turn this thing around
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I knew it was a three-episode trilogy
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with the first one was crummy but maybe
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to win three will be better so I had no
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preconceived notions I was willing to
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believe at this point and I think the
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rest of the podcast will talk about how
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my hopes were dashed alright good table
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setting their damn or would you like
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anything I i just had a short short list
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which includes let's see robots
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spaceships lightsabers political
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intrigue it elicits love affairs clones
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and only George Lucas could take all of
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these things put them in a single movie
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and make it so boring but you want to
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fall asleep or else your list didn't
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have death-sticks on it was that just an
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no death-sticks reading challenge cuts
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what's the opposite of political
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intrigue is it political out tree good
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because that's what this movie had it
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yeah well we can start with the kraal
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can't leave because I quality where I
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was indicative yeah you have divided
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before you get there i have a refocusing
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statement myself oh my goodness yes this
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is this is as exciting as the Imperial
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Senate passing resolutions that are
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nominated by George are being opening
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statement the podcast don't get too
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dan yield the floor to refer know I know
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I i just wanted to that was sort of my
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nice little bitty rabbit but i agree
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with everything my esteemed colleague
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from siracusa that Ramu ok Steve you may
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this is more really the form of a
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disclaimer I this is absolutely true
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when I watched this movie it was several
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years after everybody else had already
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seen it and trashed it and I've seen
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episode 1 and thought okay well that's
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some crap but it you know it's semi
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entertaining and so I sat down to watch
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this I was on i think i was on a trip
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somewhere on for business sat down to
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the laptop watched it you know got
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through it and then a week later I was
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somewhere else in another hotel and I
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looked at the DVD and i realized i watch
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this week ago and I have absolutely no
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recollection of anything that happened
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in this film that is absolutely true
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two-and-a-half hours of my life were
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I knew something must have happened
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during that time I had sort of a vague
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sense that there had been explosions and
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and sand but the specific I was a lot
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like a cup party back in college that I
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was thinking not unlike that at all
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except not only so far from the roof
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like fell on your head as you exited the
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theater and yes that might well yeah it
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was really like tiles were falling on my
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head throughout the entire viewing some
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of us could only wish that I'll had
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following months after this movie idea I
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don't know if I would take a concussion
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normally but it's looking good this is
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graham ok let's start with the crawl and
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when do you have any comments about the
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crawl i only have a couple notes there
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so yeah my my big note about the crawl
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is the only exciting words in that
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entire thing or army which they also i
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think happened to be both
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folded and everything else there Bob
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love oh blah blah blah limited Jedi
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blah blah blah zenit my favorite part is
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Count Dooku yeah blah blah i would like
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is that you know when there's nothing
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better than then introducing a pivotal
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character being performed by a legendary
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actor by mentioning him as if you know
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who he is in the crawl involving
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bureaucracy and then not reply with your
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well and then naming him something like
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Count Dooku so did anybody ever has
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anyone ever seen rocky doodle because I
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feel like there's a character named like
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Count Dooku or count Dukas or something
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like that and that is always stuck with
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it's the nickname for receives cat one
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Wanda cool tool towards cools my note on
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the crawl was that I was excited up
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until the phrase a separatist movement
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which is for a way to describe a
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rebellion they could come up yes
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yeah like going in with expectations of
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like oh this the second one could be
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better you gotta hand is George Lucas he
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wasted absolutely no time and
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immediately dissuading me from the
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notion that this movie busy going to be
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different and I like the first sentences
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there is unrest and the Galactic Senate
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it's like a lot but not even a sentence
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I don't even get a sentence to think
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that maybe this was going to be
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different you go right for the Senate it
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turns out there's food poisoning even
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the universe is in peril
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there was no mention of taxation or
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trade routes this time
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yeah so but senators would like there is
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unrest is fine in the Galactic now don't
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say it's okay I think we're supposed to
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be excited when the Trade Federation
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guys show up near the end of the movie
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like Georgia has no idea what people are
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nostalgic for at all no yes new can
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raise those guys
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oh I hate those guys I just like that
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George Lucas looked at the first movie
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Ghost that's pretty low bar at i think i
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can get under that we're not playing a
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game of window darn it
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the separatist movement i mean this is
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this is the first off with it with the
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crawl is supposed to do is like get you
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excited about what's to what's to come
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it's like trying to fill in lots of
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stuff that that is the trajectory that
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this film is trying to take us on except
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believe it or not it's starting later
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than it would have liked to eight get it
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seems to me that another hour of
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separatists arguing for a partition of
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the Empire in the Senate is a really
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well George Lucas wants to talk about
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here because ultimately is this not
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right that this this story is a
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slow-motion car crash but it really is
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just like hey what if there were lots of
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political imaginations behind it seems
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that led to a dictatorship
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okay I get it but um it's not
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it's it's a story that has happened in
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history and you could tell it but it's
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not interesting and in the count dooku
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introducing him in the crawl you know
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it's just it just seems like a waste
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plus it's never clear later in the movie
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about the whole separatist movement and
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why they exist other than as a ploy
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churches what are they doing
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who are they why do they want to have a
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why is the separatist movement made up
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entirely of businessmen except as a spin
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there's also that robot guy who they're
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at their robot business with the knobs
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on robot businesses with a with a night
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of the talking speaking spell from the
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tango yeah it's kind of like the father
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on the meters in I feel confident saying
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that this movie might have been better
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if the first two hours had been a crawl
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then there's like half an hour of like
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action at the end
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yeah that's how it's very it's certainly
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crawled i'll get there there are people
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who can make interesting movies and
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television shows out of political
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machinations but you have to kind of go
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the game of thrones route if you want to
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like who's yeah I guess lots of nudity
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is beyond all there's a fair amount of
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like a hinted duty in this movie anyways
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address buddy I'm there is midriff there
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is major and claws but no I mean there
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are hints that in this terrible train
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wreck of a movie there could have been
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something cool like the the lego the
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lego star wars version of this movie is
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perfectly fine right
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in fact i had i advise you to watch that
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I don't know about the lego star wars
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version of looking for I've never played
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the lego star wars yells I was thinking
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about that while watching this game and
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while watching pirates of the caribbean
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to that I watched yesterday there's
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lousy seems that I feel more charitable
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towards because I enjoyed playing a LEGO
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version it's a LEGO version was much
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much much better with the LEGO version
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is probably don't have terrible dialogue
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alright so we all made it through the
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crow we all survived i think all of the
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crawl is my first experience of going
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like is the the kraal they go through
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the car almost like you said it's
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setting you up for like the first scene
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of the movie and as I'm watching the
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crawl and being disgusted by whatever I
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go you know what I have no recollection
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of what they were trying to set up like
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you know that they're trying to set up
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something the scene is when economic
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dollar the senator whatever comes on the
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planet in her thing and and gets bombed
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right and what they were trying to set
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up there was supposed to be this vote
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and she was coming there to vote on and
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I had no recollection of that like boys
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I can't remember the promise of the
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yeah this is this is not gonna be good
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and I like as I kept watching the movie
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i'm like it's just all with that alien
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guy with the forearms like seriously I
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had talked to some sort of end-user
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array that comes to have this move it
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makes you forget everything about it
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maybe it's like your brain protecting
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yeah it's it's like what happens when
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you're when you're reading something
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really boring and you suddenly realize
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that you stopped actually processing the
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word several paragraphs ago
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you're thinking about something more
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interesting yeah yeah speeders and
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clones are flying around and stupid
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things are being said poorly but your
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mind just checks itself out i just like
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even even focusing on
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I mean like Amidala that's a good point
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if the kraal was that that you know
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senator Amidala former formerly queen is
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on a desperate mission to save the the
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Empire from falling apart but she's
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under threat and has come here under
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heavy guard and try to make it like
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right like it's we missed a cliffhanger
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of an exciting thirties movie serial
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remember last time on star where yet her
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landing there and having the thing blow
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up and all that would be like oh you
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know what mission was she on and then we
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learned but instead it's like you know
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her mission is one little piece in this
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much bigger puzzle which may be true
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plot-wise but if you know will give us
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something we remember her vaguely from
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we can give can we hang something on
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that and then the calls are awkward at
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all the other movies as well but if you
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could sum up in like a sentence like
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empires like bad guys expecting the good
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guys good guys are hiding on snow planet
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like it and the next one is I that's are
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good guys trying to go get on soul he
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was frozen and the last movie will you
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notice the first the original trilogy
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the kraal always centers around the main
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characters like there's some big picture
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stuff but it always ends or begins with
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a main character i will these lies the
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rub because there is no matter what yeah
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there's no main character any the main
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characters of the prequels of a whole
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but especially episode 2 is the Galactic
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Senate and the Jedi Order there's no
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like we try they try and narrow it a bit
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like oh we should care about Anakin and
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obi-wan and Amidala and also Yoda and
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also the Jedi Council and also maybe
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charger like there's no centering force
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to any of this movie it's just a lot of
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tiny little vignettes that are supposed
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to string together and you're not quite
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sure how they all do which is
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inexcusable because again we're supposed
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to be learning ionic intensity darth
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vader and so you could write off the
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first movie but say surely now when we
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have an adult actor playing Anakin
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surely the focus will be on him how
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could it not be on him that's what these
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movies are about was like actually he's
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just kind of hanging around annoys you
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to illustrate this here's how have sowed
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fours crawl ends pursued by the Empire
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sinister agents Princess Leia races home
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about her starship custodian of the
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stolen plans that can save her people
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restore freedom to the galaxy and they
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cut from that to Princess Leia racing
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home aboard her starship with the stolen
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plans it flows in and tells you where
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you are supposed to this where I don't
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even remember how even the just the
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words are more days remember Army of the
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Count Dooku even count dooku doesn't get
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caps no no just the army of the republic
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and see if I can pull us past the call
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here after the crawl
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they you know they show the ship flying
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in yeah and everything and I was struck
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by like how the the CG and the opening
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scene you know they cut from that like
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the people walking out of the ship in
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platform the CG and the audio in the
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opening scene looks better than the
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first live-action shot and that's
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something I would find myself thinking
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throughout this entire movie that the cg
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although it is a look
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it hasn't aged all that well you can see
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kind of like the rough edges invariably
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looks better to me than the live action
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shots and I think the live action shots
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are aging works so that the CD was like
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oh this could be cool that's nice
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visuals and I cut to a bunch of people
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walking around on a green screen thing
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I'm like oh yeah i forgot those with
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this movement it's not even the lights
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that are terrible to the compositing
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right like exactly what they're putting
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contrast with the cgi she couldn't
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figure out how to time it
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it's that the people never look like
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they're in the scene with whatever is
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flapping around a matter understand why
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because that like if anyone would have
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the technology to integrate them like
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the cg itself is very well done it's
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just I think there's something off about
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it and it you know it makes me wish the
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entire movie with CG like when the ship
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goes by I was thinking boy ben burtt
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still makes the best engine noise and
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then we cut to a bunch of people walking
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around the green screen like uh well on
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the other hand there are places where
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the CG is really really bad like I think
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on Kamino in particular the Camino and
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look ridiculous anytime you're gonna go
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two characters in this film they are
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inevitably going to look worse because
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we have to remember too that this is
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2002 right this is pre monsters inc pre
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hair revolutions in CG and 3d pre proper
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lighting engineering so they're still
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dealing with I can't remember the exact
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title term with it but they they
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basically are dealing with a much
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reduced kind of like a 256-color
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lighting spectrum to borrow like it
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they're dealing like with with the gif
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of CGI right now before they haven't
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gotten to like jpeg ER SVG maybe they
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maybe should've dealt with that by I
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don't know some practical effects
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hey you would think but I they want Yoda
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I have a note later that says the
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practical effects that were worse than
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both the CD and live actors at one point
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that it's rather have Anakin and and pad
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me getting out of like that stupid
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gondola looking thing later in the movie
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and that gondola thing looks to me like
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someone made a CG model and then someone
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looked at the CG model and made a
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real-life wooden representation of it
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and then they got out of the wooden
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thing it's like then the
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movie made from the novelization of the
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you-know-what yeah it's a little less
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because in the workflow it's it's two
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cycles through the end it just I was
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like that wooden boat is the worst thing
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I've ever seen in a movie
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it just looks dumb it looks fake it
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doesn't look like anything I've ever
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want to see and I was begging for it to
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be done in badlo red cg with bad
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lighting on it like that would have been
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a step up at least it goes away quickly
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and like they're CGI diner owner who's
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in the middle of the scrum forever
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well look we get there we'll get there i
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wanna i want to mention want to drag at
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least the so there's an assassination
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attempt after an entire movie of a Padre
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having did doubles that I couldn't tell
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apart even though it was keira knightley
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and not Natalie Portman but that you can
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listen to our episode 1 episodes for
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that and nothing really happens except
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there's a switcheroo at some point here
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in the very first scene it's like that's
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why she's got a double because her
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double is horribly killed in an
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assassination attempt while Padma is
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riding in the little like side ship and
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actually doesn't look like her
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yeah this double actually looks more
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like jimmy smits double she says I've I
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failed you senator don't know how did
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not recognize exactly what you're there
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she might have failed her by telling not
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telling her to get the hell off the
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platform that wasn't she supposed
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they're very clearly herself not really
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in a disguise she's taking off for
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disguise and she's just standing there
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right where they just killed what they
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thought was hurt like hell oh and she's
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there for a very long time and this
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scene all MC and follows it also blows
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me away because it makes the Jedi seem
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completely clueless because they
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actually say well as far as we can tell
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these are some disgruntled spice miners
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back on Abu really angry spice miners
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why we have you clear everything going
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course and it would be so much easier to
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bum you like in space and at this point
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I started writing lines of dialogue and
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I find a lot of my notes from episode to
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our lines of dialogue just because i was
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just my mind bother them in that
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particular scene talking about the spice
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miners and here's here's padme's lines i
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love how she doesn't use contractions
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because that shows she's formulas is
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good we should just read the dialogue of
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this movie as a podcast tonight
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directions or instructions hairline
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do you have any idea who's behind this
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attack is a contraction at least and
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then they say the spice mine things and
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then she says I think that can Dooku was
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okay great writing their own idea I
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think that I think that is countered
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that that is literally every line here
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there's no subtext
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yes again again with the text versus
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subtext even the sentence construction
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doesn't vary here almost I was counting
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the number of lines that are like I verb
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blank like I verb now I verb down I verb
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adjective i feel like it's almost every
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sentence for a period of maybe 15-20
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minutes starts with every character
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saying I and only that but they're
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declarative sentences they're like I
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feel angry and upset yeah it's like oh
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you Europe the equivalent of pseudocode
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of yours in pseudocode you're not
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writing the actual computer code you
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want to do something just kind of
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sketching that vaguely ideas you know
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they're happening in Apple's behind
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andria and and they just they just took
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the pseudocode and I said but just have
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the people say that
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so you're thinking that maybe Lucas
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intended to go back into a second draft
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at some point all the George George
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these dialogues in brackets what does
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that mean why is it in brackets it's
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already headed to it later he was gonna
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give it to a writer and then someone to
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write the script does what he had it
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they had a writer
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they had a second writer on inhales
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right the great work with him on yahoo
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basically was like gasps sounds great
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George yeah I don't do much here let me
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do a couple typos corrections i'll just
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run spell check on it will be good
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we've got great actors like natalie
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portman you and mcgregor don't have seen
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did you not see episode 1i think the
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Count Dooku is behind it could not be in
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any other movie have you ever heard like
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in turn i think that blank is behind it
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like you can't say that in a movie you
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would say like Count Dooku or it must be
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Count Dooku somewhat like even those are
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clichés but something anything just
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throw me a bone but even those would
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sound yet even those would be more
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sonnets and the stupid I mean it sounds
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like it was written by a third grader
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really a line featuring Count Dooku
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sounds juvenile that the dialogue in the
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original Star Wars there's a lot of
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cliche dialogue that sounds like
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something out of a cereal right it's you
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know I sure did you sell it
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yeah with with all the all the all the
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stuff on the Death Star with leia and
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all that but it's it is and it's a
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reference and it snowing here it's not
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like campy or over-the-top it's
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non-existent it's just flat it's a
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blizzard gates and it's I really think
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it's more the delivery than the dialogue
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well I was just gonna say what what is
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how do you believe that dialogue well
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because we agree the delivery is
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terrible and we create the lines a
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terrible but how do you apportion the
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well I think it's due Co if he's behind
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the script and I mean it depends you can
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you if you can produce this script in a
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way where you can make it actually sound
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like rational dialogue then it's the
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delivery but I don't think that's
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actually possible i don't know i think
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no matter who you put in those roles
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this is going to sound terrible because
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it will repel the guy who wrote the
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script also directed these people and I
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think the apportionment doesn't really
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oh yeah atlantis on one person i'm just
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saying like because there are a lot of
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terrible lines in the original trilogy
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and and you know great actors managed to
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sell them in hindsight but like I don't
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like another thing that I think could
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not be made better is when obi-wan and
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Anakin are coming up in the elevator and
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trying to share that tale about remember
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when I thought gundarks pit like it's
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i couldn't imagine that the Jedi that
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being a Jedi Master a Jedi Knight would
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be boring but there's a piece of
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dialogue that really kills me early on
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here where they mentioned that they that
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obi-wan can take care of her and watch
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he's just back from from a border
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dispute and I thought wow that is a
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terrible job being a Jedi Knight because
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apparently that's what they don't fight
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with lightsabers use the Force
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no you go again to the bureaucrats and
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other boarders be I think the river
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belongs to us no no
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half the river belongs to us well let's
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get the Jedi in here to deal with this
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well Jason the Jedi are keepers of the
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Peace not soldiers of course this is why
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the Republic has fallen because they're
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using their guys with awesome magic
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powers and lightsabers to deal with
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border disputes again meanwhile he's
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rotting from the inside out touring
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terrible job i'm just saying terrible
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job by the way this movie brings you out
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of this boredom is that all you think
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you think you're bored now you think
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that that scene where the elevator was
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too boring that sounds like that sticks
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up their butts just wait and again is
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gonna meet Pat me and he's going to
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start to work with his amazing like you
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grow until yeah so have you grown more
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beautiful I mean can we talk about the
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age discrepancy a little bit because
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this is very strange
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this is apparently ten years after the
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previous movie and and natalie portman
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doesn't look any older but of course
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Jake Lloyd is now hayden christensen
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she'll howls what she wanted me for
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great justice 1441 episode waters movie
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yeah she's supposed to be 14
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ok she was elected as Queen at 40 she
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wasn't the youngest queen ever elected
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and how old is Anakin eight
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yeah he's got easy and please so it's
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legal it's weird I've got some real
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issues with the whole concept of an
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elected queen by the way
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yeah i was looking that up on Wikipedia
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while we were watching tonight because i
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was very unclear about the whole
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mechanics of that I'm like really you're
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elected somebody who's 14 to govern your
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planet she was in the Legislative youth
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yes and then it's like the model un
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never do I didn't know we elected people
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from the model un to you know service
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governor of us turns out nobody else on
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the booze quote I have no problem with
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this because I always viewed this as
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being one of these really you know
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bizarre things that grows up over over
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thousands of years where there's
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probably something about how we're going
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to take our our most brilliant children
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before their unsullied by political
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connections and we're going to you know
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elect them as the Queen the queen is is
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is not a in in most times it's just a
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ceremonial figure because the guy with
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the guy with the goatee is back there
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doing the actual work right okay you
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gotta work all way to get that job yeah
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course setup that makes sense if she's
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she's clearly only a figurehead that
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makes perfect sense but it appears
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there's based on the first movie that
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she is the one and only government
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official on all of that was that was
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extraordinary circumstances just so
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later is one the one time it matter it's
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so lazy for there to be a two-term limit
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in the Constitution wait i should point
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out there actually are other are there
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are other levers of power in the form of
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her various body doubles because they
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apparently you have shots they couldn't
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win there yet when they're the Queen
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that's good because apparently they're
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being asked to sacrifice themselves not
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for the hereditary ruler but just for
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the fourteen-year-old that was elected
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for her first term as Queen it's serving
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the duty of my planet all should have
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been in the Legislative youth program
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not the decoy youth program here we are
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talking about political science again
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what is this movie done to us
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so going back to going back to the
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relationship thing for a second
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the age discrepancy I don't notice so
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much in this film because they both look
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very young and it's kind of like okay
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whatever but watching this film 10 years
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later I don't think I realized just how
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freakishly creepy the first half of this
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movie is in terms of lines and like I
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don't know I mean I got AI mean I was
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watching this movie with Dan and Dan had
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to walk out of the room a couple times
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because I was yelling at the television
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and I'm not usually a person who's like
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oh god that's you know that's really
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disrespectful or that you know seems
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like an invasion of a woman space but
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like the first half of this movie is so
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Anakin is such a creeper will always be
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that little boy to me
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imagines that thing just their creepier
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Jason well no but that's not the creepy
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part of the creepy part of the way he'll
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ears at her he is the creepiest low
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yeah you're leering smirk the she
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doesn't like me watching her and no
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it's so gross ya know this Merc the
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smirk is the worst part makes her skin
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it's so creepy you're exactly the way i
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remember you in my dreams pocket also
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write as h goes in for a kiss she does
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not respond at all she's just staring
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into the distance
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well yeah but it's okay for him to be
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creeper like I like when I was watching
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twilight you know it's like it's ok if
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he wants to be creepy because he doesn't
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being a bad guy right
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maybe he's creepy but that the center of
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this movie is not so much that he's
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creepy and annoying which I guess hurts
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the movie if you wanted to be likable in
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anyway because he's terrifying but that
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the premise of this movie is that
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respond yeah he responds to that I can't
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imagine anything that Anakin said has me
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presents being attractive to any woman
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that ever and somehow because the script
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because the script says oh she responses
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like oh yes that's totally a turn-on
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are you kidding me a turn-on been dying
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a little each day since you came back
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really not like everything everything he
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does everything you know he whines about
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obi-wan he's just full of complaints
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seems like he's a loser he is an
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annoying leering creepy loser and if she
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taught him a lesson and laid him low and
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had him realized that that he ki he
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needed to treat her like a real person
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that would be an interesting
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relationship dynamic but no you're right
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John basically what the lesson learned
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here is be a totally creepy dude and
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never give up being creepy and
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eventually your creepiness will be
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properly interpreted as love will come
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yeah listen I cannot count the number of
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times i've walked into a bar and shouted
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they're like animals and i slaughtered
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them like animals and totally got like
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five phone numbers right this let's go
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out let me talk to him the way you talk
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to a child at one point when he's
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whining about obi-wan pad me says them
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that must be frustrating for you which
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is how you talk to children to like sort
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of acknowledge their emotions into like
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you know that's she treats him like a
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child because the acts like a child and
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during this whole time she's totally
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flat but again if you follow the pace of
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the movie or like we're supposed to
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believe that she is falling in love with
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him it's like that the real howler lines
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at the end of this movie about how about
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how much in love they are like yeah that
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the number of scenes exist where they
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could theoretically have fallen in love
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it doesn't happen
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in those scenes but at a pace it out
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like what ya their fortunes I mean
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obviously they had time yeah they have
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the scene we're talking a senior playing
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a scene where they kiss and a scene
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where they're married but the characters
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don't fall in love during those see ya
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if they have taken out even some of the
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creepiness like there's that there's
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that conversation they have skipping
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ahead a little bit in the freighter when
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they're heading home to Naboo on you
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know unregistered transit and that scene
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could have been very sweet and been like
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oh this is a you know it's it's strange
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how far we've come in 10 years and
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instead know the last line of that scene
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is your exactly how i remember you in my
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dreams leering look Padme looks down at
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her hands saying oh lord what have I
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gotten myself into this guy is going to
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be protecting me but she supposed to be
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saying oh I'm overwhelmed by how much he
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loves me and I find that such a bit i'm
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attracted him incredibly no no you're
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not but yet that's how that's how she's
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supposed to be acting there that he's
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winning her over with this well Jason's
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point earlier i think what's interesting
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is there's there could have been an
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interesting dynamic again with this this
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woman who was put in charge of an entire
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you know planet when she was a small
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child she was probably not interacting
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with other like people her age like
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again you could have done something
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interesting with him or her being like
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well she's been kind of sheltered you
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know when she's maybe kind of damage
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because she's had to do all this stuff
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that's really beyond her years that but
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no we don't go that way that too
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emotionally damaged people and i would
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think she seems so worldly that she
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would issue has been everything that he
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has to offer that she would find
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interesting she ruled the planet she's a
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senator she's traveling from planet to
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planet he's like he's just been isolated
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from his entire family apparently just
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doing the Jedi thing or disputes hanging
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out with everyone and arpit he would not
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be interested in him in any way
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yes so here's the thing i wanted to also
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mention that's why I slowly try to drag
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this forward that will have more time to
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talk about this relationship I think as
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we go in the scene before they the
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centipede attack
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there's a video game ever is a
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conversation we're talking Jar Jar as
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president they're all company and and
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the thing that there's a fascinating
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little shot that i wanted to mention we
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pitches they have there's a pause in the
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conversation and they cut to charge our
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who sits there and doesn't do anything
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and it goes for a couple seconds for its
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charge are sitting there in their
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silence and then they cut away and it's
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just it's it's maybe the best shot in
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the movie because i have no idea where
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that shot is there other than hey its
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charge our doctors here
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the kid was charged are but it's not
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like that with dialogue it's just silent
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of Jar Jar like and there throughout
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this movie there are some things that
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seemed kind of questionable in terms of
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just the competence of editing and
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directing movie where they're cut away
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so I'm like why is that cutaway there
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but the charger moment is the best
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r2d2 is a terrible security would i have
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i have those exact words in my notes he
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is the worst security system ever mean
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to think about what happens in this room
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bright lights noise objects falling from
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the ceiling to the ground he can detect
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none of these things a toddler in the
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room would turn his toddler head towards
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the emotion and the noise and light
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aren't you nothing that doesn't even
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notice he's in sleep mode
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I don't know that he's worse than the
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two Jedi in the next room who are
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bickering well their target while
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they're like it but you're Jenny's Magic
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Man her right that should I they're Jedi
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come on your you didn't send two
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Schmucks to cart but they say he's a
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computer with sensors and rockets and
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stuff and yet I think the idea is that
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is he fell asleep or something or that
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because they didn't break the little
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beams he's admitting just look around
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it's the only thing moving with bright
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lights in the entire room how can you
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not know I mean the giant to their
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credit even though they're not in the
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room sense the danger eventually and
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jump in and killed the little worm
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things but there are two is fired wait
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okay wait I have to take issue with the
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way they kill them because when you have
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force powers you could just throw things
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against the wall instead you're gonna
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use a lightsaber and carefully choose
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from someone's face to slice it out of
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her hair was just trying to show off
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like that that if you're trying to look
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for some way the mannequin could do
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something that could conceivably be
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impressive maybe you could say
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demonstrating his jedi skillz x like
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floating stupid Paras around and stuff
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maybe that could be impressive to like a
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in a teenage girl who she's set up at
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the wrong home this story ends wait to
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see it but in a better way I think yeah
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we just put on a robot head i'm curious
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as to why it takes them Intel the
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centipedes are actually crawling into
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her hair to to sense it
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I sense it too for drawing Steve drama
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since 8th grade five seconds ago
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yeah but they're still pickering when he
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senses it suddenly the answer to every
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question you have steve is because it's
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in the script they sense that r2d2 was
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beeping his sleep cycle instead of being
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awake that's what they said it when they
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have Palpatine send Anakin to get pad me
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like the property is trying to do these
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things look at the puppet master he's
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gonna send this guy to get that guy talk
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to this guy and ask her about that and
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you're like it seems like oh it's this
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amazing plan is coming together but the
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only reason any of these things work
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like Palpatine's his little plan to send
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people to various places and he knows
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that person is going to be sent to
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protect her and stuff is because the
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script says so like that you couldn't
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set off I if I send obi-wan to protect
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her the Nobel on the Jedi people who
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decide to Nana can protect her then and
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we'll get together with her because I
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know the next movie like if you follow
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the steps backwards
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there's no expectation that they would
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have come out this way and the only
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reason i do is like the handset because
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the script said they should i am glad to
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see that there's a strong market for
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robots that their sole purpose is to
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dissolve holes in windows and then
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delivered the contents of a tube through
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them heroes its sole purpose for other
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things too it's it's I think that's a
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multitasking delivers death stare like
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r2d2 has like five functions including
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yeah and apparently sleeping through
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guard duty is one of the so 100 be one
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in a as proving he's a man of action
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leaps out of the window into the open
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space grabs ahold of the of the after
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incidentally just spending the whole
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night lecturing Anakin on how they're
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just there to protect Padme yeah so he
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he obviously was convinced and he jumped
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out and then we get to see one year
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after mark monsters inc was released we
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get to see a replay of the door scene 4
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monsters as he dangles from a thing and
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swings around in a large space and goes
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whoa does not get my car and exactly
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does never gets hit by car there's never
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anything but I was struck by how much it
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was like the door scene and monsters
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incorporated and then there's this penny
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ends up in a speeder chase this is all
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happening three-dimensional
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and there's cars everywhere and there's
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a whole chase happening and the notes i
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have here is it all seems really slow
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there's no wind that they completely
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lose the guy and then somehow are like
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he's over there and pick up the chase
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again which makes no sense at all
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there's a shortcut
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even though they're traveling in
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completely unfettered three-dimensional
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yes there's a shortcut that leaves them
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several hundred feet higher and like a
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so that's a really good shortcut i would
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like to complain about a line of
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dialogue here which was meant to be a
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light-hearted and airy and quippy it's
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when Anakin says oh you know master i
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couldn't find a speeder i really liked
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yeah I have to blame the director or
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somebody for not saying that line didn't
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let's just cut it once more for safety
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Hayden ya know that the director is the
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writer so you know he doesn't like
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anything claimed go ahead but like its
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it goes back to John's point about the
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first movie right
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this is the take they took you know
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George Lucas on it takes like nothing's
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gonna get me another one that's good
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let's use that one boy when it was a
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moment when the flying car because I
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mean guys course on City a planet that's
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just a city it's got layers of traffic
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you've got this so it's a super
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futuristic thing and you gotta chase
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scene and you've got a car that's like a
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hot rod flying car and and you need to
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go down a bunch of levels recklessly and
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so you're gonna you're just gonna go out
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of lanes of traffic and shoot down and
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you cut to the people who are doing it
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and it's like they're going through a
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tollbooth there's no wind
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there's no excitement it's like it's
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like dad let's me drive in the driveway
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on Sundays it's just I a blew me away
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that this is theoretically this should
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be very exciting and it wasn't exciting
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well they reflect the level of
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excitement that that I had and watching
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this is a better version of the scene go
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to start or is it is no way this is this
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is the problem that i have with
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remembering anything in this movie and
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and this is just one of maybe like 10
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different sequences that are just pure
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action and its really it's because the
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movie is just basically a bunch of video
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game levels and they're strung together
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with really terrible cutscenes but like
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ninety percent of it is just crazy video
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game stuff flies around and goes boom
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and it just totally fails to make any
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pression mean there's even a conveyor
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belt season scene which is something
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that's been a videogame clichéd since
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before some of you were born
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there's no sense of any mass with this
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ship or like when somebody's eyes to
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jump out of the ship and plummet 500
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miles and get caught again there's no
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danger to them why should there be
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danger to me the audience you know
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there's no feeling of even physics here
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that was a problem in the first movie to
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is yeah there was just no sense that
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anything bad could potentially even
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happen to these characters so what's the
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point yeah there's another issue I have
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with all these these scenes too and
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that's that so much of this chase in
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particular but it happens throughout the
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movie it's it's focused on showing us
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the cool fake buildings of khorasan and
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the chase its I mean like will be
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zooming in on some neon colored color
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book covered building for several
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seconds and then after we've been
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looking at that for a while you know
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maybe the bounty hunter will run to view
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of the top right corner but it's just
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we're forced to stare at these set
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pieces and the chase is just totally
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incidental i also don't after the
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shortcut he there's this really dramatic
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scene where he he's figured out how he
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could get her because because they took
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the shortcut and he jumps out and jumps
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out of the car and falls all the way
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down to her and it's perfectly timed you
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never get any sense that he's been
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timing it or that he knows where it is
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it does even I like I get the point of
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of it happening and yet it isn't set up
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properly so when it happens it's sort of
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like what how did that happen and then
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he he lands also i guess when they're on
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the ground they say that that that the
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bounty hunter is probably a changeling
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so there's your star trek cross over
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there Dan like odo yeah I appreciate
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well did it which makes no sense at all
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because there's like one scene when
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she's driving the ship where you see
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you're like her face flickr slightly and
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then when she dies she turns into going
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to her natural floor why didn't you just
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stay in the natural form the whole time
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as aliens all over this planet
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why don't you just turn into any other
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form and walk away like that she has her
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little cloth mouth covering which
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yeah protects her fake identity great
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it's definitely take that off in the
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middle of flying around why not wait
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until you've gotten lost
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obviously she thinks it's very effective
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because you kinda looks around behind
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her like she's making sure no one's
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looking before she takes it off her
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I don't know there's just yet there's so
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much wrong with the scene in addition
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just the whole like the resolution of
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the scene with the we think the assassin
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was hired by a bounty hunter like how
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many layers of contracting are going on
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you're a bounty hunter you don't need to
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hire an assassin to do this but because
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they keep increasing and competence look
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again when they try to blow off the you
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know the senator when she lands she's
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there you could just picture off with
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the sniper rifle like any of these
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people could be killed at any time by a
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twentieth-century sniper on this planet
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who just wanders around the battlefield
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and yet but with all the advanced
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technology like the best way to kill her
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is with worms can we get some worms into
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her room at the poison dart shot it
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wanted like you have a mile away by the
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master ground should pad me with that
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where's Padme during this whole chase if
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he could just kill people as well as he
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commanded subcontractors he'll be fine
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he just hired two Assassin's the first
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assassin gets all the bodyguards chasing
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them halfway across chorus on the other
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one just has to get through george r and
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the in the handmaiden
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I do like the fact that when the poison
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dart get shot at the bounty hunter
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obi-wan takes the opportunity to pull it
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out look at it and say toxic Dart
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thanks thanks Toby you are ok you just
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skipped past what I think is the dumbest
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thing in all of Star Wars is the
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death-sticks it's the bar name of the
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person who set who is trying to sell
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death-sticks it's Elian sleazebag o Neal
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I'm a sleazebag know because he is a
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sleazebag that it actually manages to
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top Count Dooku that's pretty good
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aliens sleazebag no yes route bag and
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although i think if you look carefully
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in the in that bar scene you can see
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both anthony daniels and Ahmed best two
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plays Jar Jar as well as is and you can
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see Lucas's Lucas's daughter's in there
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twice i think they give her two shots on
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I just assume all of the younglings
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later on our Lucas's kids it's got
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Mykelti will appreciate this wherever he
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is it reminded me of the bar scene in
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Star Trek 3 which is an attempt to
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create an energy future bar scene like
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in Blade Runner maybe even the original
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star wars but in fact it is not that
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interesting and seems kind of corny and
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this reminded me of that
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yeah but there's a lot of blade runner
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esque imagery with neon lights and I'm
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surprised that people with umbrellas
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plateau panels but they came they don't
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give that like at least at least that
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spared a line if you're going like this
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will probably come up again someday
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up and we want but like it's done so
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badly like that cliché just events
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there either way you don't get someone's
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creeping up to a door but it's not the
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just not competently done nevermind that
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we don't care about these people and we
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know how it's going to turn out there's
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no actual attention
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it's just not done well well it's weird
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too because it's one of the few we were
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pointing out watching it that it's one
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as he's walking through the bar and you
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get these wacky sort of moving close ups
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which feel very unstar Wars like because
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that he thinks that this this person
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they're chasing maybe a shape-shifter
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and the solid Jedi Master advice it gets
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back is be extra careful that's just
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good writing again
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ob1 thanks a lot man that's what my mom
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says every time I hang up the phone with
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be careful that's huge it did quite
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that is that how you get that's how we
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learn that no see I'm willing to give up
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we won the benefit of the doubt here and
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so like yea alright be extra careful
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then I don't know I feel I end up
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feeling bad for obi-wan most last movie
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he was just a whiny annoying pain but
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Anakin has grown into that role and most
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of the time I feel pretty bad for
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everyone especially later on when he's
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talking about like you know mace windu
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and you're like yet and Anakin to do
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this thing is like guys he is not ready
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for that they're like nope sorry we're
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sending him to do this thing and I'm
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like wow so really wasn't will be once
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no yeah i'm always looking for like any
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sympathetic characters movie and we want
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is the closest to being sympathetic I
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think what you want a greater comes the
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closest to rising above the material the
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situations and everything else involved
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in this movie and trying to make a
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character that you perhaps have some
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pity for if only pity that he has to be
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in this movie at least he's now
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graduated from the Padawan rat tail
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yes admittedly it's to the full fledge
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force mullet but at least he doesn't
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great can we do it briefly the diner
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scene i have one note about that with
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the totally superfluous fifties diner
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Lucas loves 250 remember we're not we're
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not up to the diner scene yet
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that's right after the the toxic Dart so
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they go back they go back to Amidala and
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then they had they have a they have a
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check in with the as another
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interminable see more people sit on
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couches lockwell so i wanted to mention
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that i actually took notes on this part
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so I'm get by gum I'm gonna get them out
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because they referred Amidala as the
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leader of the Opposition at one point
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which I am completely baffled by because
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now we've got layers within layers in
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the Imperial Senate what is she opposing
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she isshe opposing the separatists is
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she opposing Palpatine it doesn't look
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like it because she's got meetings with
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what is she she had is she like in the
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blue political party and there's also a
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red political party and but there are
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event because then there's separatists I
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anything let alone an opposition that I
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don't understand from what I can
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understand and i'm basing this entirely
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off of the crawl and the little i read
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off Wikipedia Wikipedia it's the the
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bill that they talked about that's been
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voted on and committee for the last two
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years that she's flown to correspond to
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vote on that we hear about once in the
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crawl and then never again besides that
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she's the leader of the Opposition for
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this bill I guess that's why they're
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trying to kill her
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well yeah the bill itself i think has to
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do with creating a standing army and
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she's opposed to that which is hilarious
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because the clones end up you know
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that's why they talk they talked when
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she's out of the picture they can talk
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to charger into it which is part of the
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plot I just know it when you've got an
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opposition and you've also got a
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rebellion essentially the separatists it
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gets really confusing to throw these
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political terms around and and again but
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sometimes people to find these movies
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and say these movies for kids so with
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these movies for kids it's really too
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damn confusing because i have no idea
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what's going on here in terms of the
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politics at all my other notes here by
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the way are we get some really good
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crazy Amidala hair here which is very
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clearly like see this is where her
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this is where the crazy hairstyles come
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from and i'm also in this seemed
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everybody keeps referring to how great
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Anakin is which i find fascinating
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because I up on the screen and he
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doesn't seem like he's that great at all
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and and that and that while they're
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playing him like he's somebody who's got
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this dark side who's going to come out
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that's always the kind of dream of the
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the star wars backstory is he always had
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this undercurrent in it it went horribly
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I can't read them as anything other than
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just kind of a spoiled brat who doesn't
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like it when he doesn't get what he
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wants which is you know spoiled brat who
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becomes evil monster is not as exciting
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or interesting as person with a good
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core and a dark side that gets exploited
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but that's how I feel about it is that
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he just comes across as like a spoiled
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don't look at me like that it makes me
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feel uncomfortable he could not find a
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speeder like okay okay i'll keep the
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leering at you and drooling this is the
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point that i wrote in my notes in your
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pre prequel Star Wars related daydreams
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when you wonder what Anakin Skywalker
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especially that little wider even on
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I'm pretty sure it was a creepy stalker
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was definitely not on my radar it is
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really unloading a lot of crap about
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obi-wan padmé here
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yeah well especially after he keeps
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repeatedly telling everyone that you're
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like a father to me like again it's no
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more plausible in so it that that
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relationship is no more plausible than
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the relationship between human pod may
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really you know he says you're like a
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father me and yeah okay there's a little
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bit of that like oh I'm having gone
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through my teenage rebellion phase but I
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don't know I just I just don't buy it
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they don't sound like it
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you can't just yell so you can't just
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say that you're like yeah exactly
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show me this is like apologizing nothing
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on my way shows that stop telling me
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start doing something I do think it's
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interesting that that scene that you're
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like a father to me scene comes
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immediately before he goes and meets
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with Palpatine and Palpatine's like oh
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so you're really giving you your real
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position congratulations would be son
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haha don't mind this hood back here I've
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don't have it for any particular reason
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to style the hoodie they all the kids
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with me and mcdermott also putting in
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you know giving a game attempt to
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continue his role as Palpatine here if
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the only one who has a sensible
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character arc where he was the galaxy
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and many tries to do things to rule the
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galaxy aided by the ridiculous script
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that make all these plans come to
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fruition without any real effort on his
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part but it's clear what his motivation
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is is clearly is a bad guy so he's got a
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leg up on almost everyone else in this
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yeah i mean dan and I were talking about
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this what we were watching the end of
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the movie and if Palpatine's real goal
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is to play two sides against the other
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it would have been a lot cooler to
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actually see a lot more of his
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machinations in this film and in the
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prior film and really make it be like
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Anakin may have had some dark side in
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him but here is the man who basically
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corrupted him and destroyed his life
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while also kind of destroying the entire
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Republic like that's an interesting
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you'd have to come up with a plausible
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scenario for him to turn evil which they
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as we find out in third movie they never
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they never I never I never buy any can I
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never buy in turning evil one reason for
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Anakin to like start off as a sweet
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I and somehow because you know they they
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never come up with any reason for him to
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be evil you sure he's whiny and creepy
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but like happy and because Darth Vader
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is not Leary he dark there has dignity
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Anakin has no dignity and how do you go
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like this no there's no path is no
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connecting between A&B it's just like he
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swept along by the script in a certain
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point they put him in the mask name
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anyway that's it so facile is the thing
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with the whole like when he had the
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political discussion with Padma about
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like someone should be in charge just
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tell everyone what to do
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yeah maybe not me but someone John I
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don't really believe that little bit and
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that person would decide what to do and
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that would work very well is it like why
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would she even like again this is
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supposed to be attractive who having a
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political discussions the politics right
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she's been a senator she's ruled the
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planet he must seem like the dumbest
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most night you wearing creepy
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uninteresting like they're there should
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be no attraction between these people
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and yet on the other hand the extent of
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her political savvy is to put jar jar
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and charged in our stead
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so he's newly elected representatives to
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maybe she didn't really put a whole lot
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of thought into this
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the I think some of the core problems
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with Emma can stem from and with with
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Palpatine stem from two decisions made
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in the first movie which we talked about
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a little bit which is one probably
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having a meeting
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Anakin Skywalker as a little kid is part
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of the problem because it forced them to
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read connell sorts of things about when
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i met your father he was a great pilot
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and things like that so he's a kid pilot
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ok I i think that was a mistake and if
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we had met him a little bit later
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probably would have made more sense in
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that story arc might have that I you
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know it's harmed by the faculty meeting
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is this decision to make
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Palpatine's rise and his evilness sort
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of like secret which I guess the idea
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there as well it's going to be a real
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twist when you realize he's the bad guy
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but you know that's it's not and you
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miss you miss actually seeing him
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pulling the strings behind the scenes
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more overtly because we still can tell
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that it's him but yet he's sidelined it
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makes it maybe I look even more
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incompetent because it's likely we spent
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the first movie fine pretend pretend you
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didn't know until the end of the first
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movie the second movie everybody knows
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everybody knows accepted
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nice the giant just look stupid and
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incompetent and not because they're like
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decadent lazy like that's the story they
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want to tell they want to snuggle the
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Jedi had become you know that they had
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lost their their way or whatever on the
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dark side is clouding their jobs they've
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stopped doing lightsaber battles they've
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been sucked into trade negotiations they
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just come off a stupid instead like
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that's that there is a better movie in
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there you could say about how you know
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this was the decadent world and the Jedi
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have lost lost their vision of what
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they're supposed to be doing but instead
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you see a bunch of sort of incompetent
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sort of timid not very smart not very
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powerful Jedi making bad decisions that
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it's not because they're decadent or
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because there's some kind of you know
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that they've been blinded by their own
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arrogance none of that is there they're
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just kinda like Kobe door stupid
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yeah you are you deserved it three
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killed off there's an early line for
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mace windu where he says Dooku was once
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a Jedi he couldn't assassinate anyone
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that's not how foolish you are but so is
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turning to the darkside not a thing yet
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I mean I haven't read a whole lot of the
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extended universe talk about this if in
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yeah but they don't explain why he'd let
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him like how do you become a former Jedi
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yeah he retired he retires disappeared
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test no he's known because he's a leader
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of the separatists we formed attachments
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and that's really the problem after the
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first movie when they established Anakin
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has more or less lovable well-adjusted
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nice little kid who happens to be a
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slave and let's not do really talked
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about that once you've started him off
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on that foot it's very difficult to get
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him into a position where he becomes
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Darth Vader if you had started them off
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as like a street kid who is the member
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of like a street gang and had to live
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you know a tough life and learn that
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might equals right like 30 it's it's so
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very difficult no matter what happens
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fine you use someone cheats on you think
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all the Jedi betrayed you were ever to
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extend that into ok well now i have to
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kill all the Jedi an entire galaxy you
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have to be like mad with power power
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crazy you have to believe that power is
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the only thing that's important you know
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what you have to do I don't want to get
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too much into episode three things but
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once you start off as a cute little kid
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it's super hard to get him into darth
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vader and they don't even really make an
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this movie that is making wine and they
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say well if you take whiny and write
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raise it to a large exponential power
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equals darth vader and it doesn't we
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know the Darth Vader was the whiniest of
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all the villains yeah if you raise the
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large power just as more whining this is
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the problem i have with Anakin in this
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movie is that we've been told throughout
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the first trilogy that you know he he
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yes and so you expect to see somewhere
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along the course of this film him
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perform some sort of heroic deed or act
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in a heroic fashion and he doesn't he's
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basically a knob from start to finish
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no he doesn't do anything he does very
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little of any agency whatsoever i mean
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even if you if you add in the last movie
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his heroic action there was accidentally
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point out the spit shipwright like in
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terms of episode two
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there's not much that he does in here
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that is active period
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other than the other than the fight
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scenes yeah he jumps off of a a speeder
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the accidental jetta even the fight
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scenes are always fight scenes where
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other people are like anakin no don't
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ok he just got thrown against a wall he
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killed all those sand people what else
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you want from him kill some sandpaper I
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killed them all the travel by refugee
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transport we never see that we covered
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that earlier than we do see them we do
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see them in there briefly in their
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travel by refugee and as usual Padma is
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wearing some kind of shiny copper
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headpiece weird hair stuff yes which is
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exactly what you expect to see on
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refugees certainly not a senator or a
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queen definitely not to be drawn
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attention to refugees love that stuff
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also would anybody who is not a Padawan
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where a rat tail by choice in this
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universe that's a good point to yet we
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know she knows how to dress down she did
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it all through the first movie that's
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right at least Anakin he sort of looks
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the part he's got like his his his Jedi
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poncho on it looks like you just woke up
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in the gutter outside of the space
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peanuts and beer and he could be a
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refugee apart from the rat tail but
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padme's got her usual 50 pounds of junk
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in her hair and it's just absurd you
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think she's slumming you can we talk
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about the droid racism that seems
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rampant in these movies and we aren't
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you just once they go up and pick up
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some food now it is just wants to pick
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food from like like maybe the bar you
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don't want droids because like that's a
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particular environment but he just wants
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to go get food and bring it back to them
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and the droid who's serving was gotta
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give him enough no no get out of here no
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let's pick up the food i mean the joint
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can't even heat right like that's the
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worst part is like I'm not going to eat
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you can I am a droid who understands
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they do the unconscionable in and the
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lead-up to this scene they kind of bag
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on r2 they're walking towards the ship
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and they're talking about how they're
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scared and the responses at least we
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have our two haha yeah these are the
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jokes folks no seriously at least we
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have our two is like the most heroic
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character that we have in this entire
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well that's like me saying at least I
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have my gps unit in my car I mean by GPS
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unit can fly it has lasers but it's
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still basically just something to move
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my car around right you gps stands a
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better chance of protecting you in a
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dark room from space enemies another
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this is true and then here we are it's
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the alien diner where where we meet the
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weird diner alien who knows everything
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there is to know about darts
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oh yeah let's buy the OneNote having the
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scene because again the writing i was
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doing is right now things is he says the
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word clear no nurs clutter is like
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cloning those clients fellas pretty good
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one likes to get it like it suddenly
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turns into dora like you have to repeat
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the same word that Cano's the best
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cloners the clone a club we get it there
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could we understand it's the title of
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the movie like I don't understand what
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that scene was there i don't understand
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the other than Lucas obsession with the
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fifties that character we don't care
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about he's not interesting like at this
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point also wrote my notes too many
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characters too many planets to me it's
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just too many moving parts you maestro
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couldn't get these parts fit together
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into a cohesive whole and Lucas is not a
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maestro my notes say cloners like that
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means anything but your door references
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is a good is it is a good one John
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because who do we ask for help when we
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don't know which way to go
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say map say map oh wait they took the
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planet out of the map we can't say map
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I thought it was really weird that all
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the Jedi younglings were all exactly the
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same height hello younglings
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will this be a good spot to have some
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aliens like they had the one red-faced
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have we know there's ton of weird shapes
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or an extra tall alien or an extra short
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yeah they're all kids they're all just
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Lucas's me everything you did the
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readers kids younglings are shooting
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younglings classes at the Jedi school
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are sorted by height you know everybody
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chlorines are usually present in a
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certain body type so depending on when
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they manifest it's true i should i
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should point out that that a beloved
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podcast of mine and john's the flophouse
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did an episode about episode 2 and the
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only thing I remember I wanted to
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mention from their episode about this
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movie is the point that many of the
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words used in this movie are English
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words and occasionally a word will be
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changed for no apparent reason other
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than to make it seem alien e so we could
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call these people kids or children but
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no their younglings yuengling is a
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redundant word space children young
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means one thing and this suffix Ling
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just means a young version of that young
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young man doing anything
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what's up young space space children
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word up my youngs the whole bit with the
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map is pretty great because it's like
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not only has it been you know the the
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map has been erased
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I like the idea first of all that it
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should be that the planet should be
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south of another planet that
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particularly struck record be single
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active true north
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yeah its three-dimensional he knows
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exactly where the planet is supposed to
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be Kristen why do you not go there they
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have spaceships but it and he's like
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legitimately I just can't figure this
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yeah I know but that was like what was
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the point of having that scene in the
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movie to show that all we want is really
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really really stupid like he got no new
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information is it it's not there
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it looks like it's been erased he
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already told them gravity is point like
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it's not even like a CSI scene where
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they figure out like something by using
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I don't under the scenes in this movie
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that just don't need to be there at all
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and it's someone thought was a really
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great idea like oh that the mind of a
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child is going to tell us some insight
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nope he's gonna tell you exactly 13
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year-old know and by doing that he will
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make you appear dumber than
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three-year-old because you are it does
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give a chance for you to slag and by
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saying he's lost a planet that I was
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impressed by the efficiency of their
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library system we just have to say the
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name of a planet say it's a Kamino
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and they can immediately say that
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doesn't exist now we're asking how it's
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spelled the library was one of the few
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sort of lazy visual design because the
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visual design these movies like the
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ships and everything is not I i think
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it's reasonably good but the library
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they said how about we have big walls
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like a lineup book spines yeah that
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reads his library i'm pretty sure that
[TS]
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the visual design of this movie because
[TS]
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the whole thing that made the first
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trilogy cool was that it was lived in
[TS]
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this landspeeders look call me that
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again this is supposed to be like the
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guilty want to give them license to go
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with I'm just saying like a library
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having light up book spines that is too
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sorry do I think we go back to New
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briefly and we meet then there's the new
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queen who is in the same it's like they
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get to reuse the sets and they got the
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guy with the with the goatee and it's
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full of a planet full of old people and
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old stuff and of course they were ruled
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yeah don't be an Anakin Skywalker yeah
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creepy i like when they're walking when
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they're walking down the walkway and
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have some more sterling dialogue like I
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agree i think the Republic needs you I'm
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glad you chose to serve and seen thank
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you for like thank you for expressing
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those sentiments in such a dry boring
[TS]
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fashion is this where your boat is John
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reason I think it's somewhere around
[TS]
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here like they're talking about like she
[TS]
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says that she wasn't in the legislative
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use and she wanted to go in the Senate
[TS]
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and additives like yes i agree i think
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the Republic needs you
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I was glad you chose to serve end of
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seeing like that's it that that's it
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said it sounds like an important word
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i'm actually really thinking about the
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new political system now
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yeah she said I wasn't the youngest
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queen ever elected so there were younger
[TS]
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Queens that her and they might never
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have Kings I think this is a planet
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that's always ruled by young teenage
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yes I green if I mean that the plan also
[TS]
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fell apart too so i would like to
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believe that that that they have decided
[TS]
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that the wave for them to rule without
[TS]
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being uncovered by up like political
[TS]
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dealings and things is having an
[TS]
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innocent a preteen girl sit on the
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throne for a while and not do much
[TS]
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because there's the guy with the goatee
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there's one scene where they tried to
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establish the sort of tension in the
[TS]
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romantic relationship is sort of a
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sparring type thing
[TS]
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like a han Leia thing where they're like
[TS]
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I think we should go for the lake
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country for security and they have this
[TS]
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disagreement or whatever and again
[TS]
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everything that everything in this movie
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I can put up on the big board saying I
[TS]
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can see what they're trying to do in the
[TS]
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scene they're trying to make this
[TS]
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relationship like it you know they're
[TS]
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attracted to each other but they also
[TS]
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have a little bit of witty verbal
[TS]
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sparring is sparring is a form of
[TS]
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flirting or whatever and it totally
[TS]
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falls on its face it does not work the
[TS]
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writing is bad does not make me think
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any of the characters are likable or
[TS]
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interesting or clever in any way they
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just it makes and look more petulant it
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makes her look stupid for tolerating his
[TS]
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petulance and it just it totally fails
[TS]
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and like I i wish i could take all these
[TS]
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scenes like pin them up and say this
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scene was supposed to this and didn't
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seem as opposed to this and didn't and I
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don't know what's worse the seams with a
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talk and exposition and sit on couches
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or the scenes where you can tell what
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they're trying to do and they totally
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family just move on to like well I guess
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we didn't pull it off next scene please
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let nothing be done we'll just take it
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as it is and hope you forget camino
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llego tu camino it's very rainy this is
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a planet that's rainy there's lots of
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they're also cloners they're here
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they're cloners big cloners lots of
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green identically tall implausibly
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skinny long-necked yes camino aliens are
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these tall skinny white aliens in these
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in these long white corridors i remember
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watching this movie the first time in
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thinking I can i really like the look
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and the art direction of the Camino
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scenes that it's rainy it's kind of
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atmospheric it's this very like 2001
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almost or some of the scenes in in the
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original trilogy that it's the kind of
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like all white aesthetic and I thought
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the aliens were interesting and strange
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and they have strange voices and I godly
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never look like they belong in the scene
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yeah yeah always it was the humans the
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humans who don't look like they're
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standing on anything there they're not
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even planted on ya just in the green
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screen it's a pleasant cartoon to watch
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yes I liked it originally but but
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watching it back this time I was like oh
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it's really not that good i was hoping
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that this would be the thing that I
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could be like oh yeah the white
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long-necked aliens on the rain planet
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that will be fine at like the big waves
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and the big creature that the guys
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riding on the back up
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I like to see the movie featuring those
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guys out of like Avatar before avatar
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and I think the idea of the planet where
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it's rainy and dark all-time in their
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gigantic waves is moody and atmosphere
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gets to bed it happen to be you know you
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got trapped in the middle of episode 2
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and can i say that obi-wan is among his
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things that he's not skillful at playing
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not yet you still fighting there's a
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whole lot of like yeah well we expected
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you want you expected me oh yes yes you
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we hope you'll enjoy the army you
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ordered the the re oh yeah oh yeah the
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are you going on about the army yes oh
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yes please tell me who ordered that army
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just to refresh my memory of these
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cloners are very not very careful this
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must be like oh you would think they'd
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be a little bit more careful decisions
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but like it's the problem we're talking
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about the Anakin not being a hero
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what does obi-wan do this heroic he sent
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here to do something heroic like go
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figure out find this bounty hunter
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whatever find him
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how does obi-wan succeed in his mission
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through his coming through his skill
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through you know its cleverness to
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through his brute-force now he just
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Falls ass-backwards into it because the
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scripture says you some luck he shows I
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luck they put him in he does a bad job
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of hiding everything I may just he'll
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like what he didn't he wasn't here oh we
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didn't do anything heroic he was just
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there you could have you gonna send r2
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and r2 would have been as successful in
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yeah except as long as they weren't
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centipedes around this is where i had to
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stop the first time by the way that yeah
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but we got to learn the secret of the
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stormtroopers which is that they're all
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Boba Fett's father
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yeah so i have this later when that when
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we when we load up on stormtroopers but
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i can mention it now which is the clone
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troopers on one level it explains why
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store stormtroopers are so uniform and
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so lame because they're they've been
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engineered to follow orders and
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apparently the miss your target little
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things but I really don't like this red
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come I always always liked the fact that
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the storm troopers were you know scary
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shock troops for the Empire even though
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yeah they don't shoot as well and they
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killed their killed easily but here
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we've just backed it all out to being
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these kind of like genetically
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engineered in order to be pliable
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versions of Jango Fett well you have
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like the droid racism this is the clone
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racism because all right so they're
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genetically identical but so were twins
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that's why are we spoke this is the
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excusing the fact that like we're gonna
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kill these guys later but don't feel bad
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they're just clones they're absolutely a
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hundred percent you been engineered to
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followers and apply I know start
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seatbelt but they're just they're in
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there as human as any other human and
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it's not like I think the Empire
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archived on the Empire's evil and all
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that stuff but it's like in the movie
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this is done to excuse later the death
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of these things like that we don't care
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about like when and hops off the the
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thing and the clones were piloting their
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blow up that we don't linger on that
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it's like well they're just clones a
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million that's not a big deal and I
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think it's made worse it's made worse by
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the clone wars television series which
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is actually much better than any of
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these movies and that really humanizes
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the clones and shows what it's like to
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be cloned going up but like it's it's so
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terrible for me to see how they treat
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clones and it seems odd to me that we
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have to watch boba fett watch his father
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died later because he just ends up going
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into the same line of work as his father
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being a bounty hunter so it's not much
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of an origin story but it strikes me as
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odd that after his father's dead clones
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of his father are on every planet in the
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yeah yeah they're not his dad but yeah
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they're the modified ones they're
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mentally they've been mentally
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handicapped isn't that what they say on
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communities that they've grown
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yeah they just been made compliant yeah
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if you ever see a stormtrooper without
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his helmet on oh my god that's dad
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it looks like your dad well but but it
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looks like him too because he's also a
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clone of his dance is going to grow up
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to look exactly like his father that's
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why he's so messed up in here it comes
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it's it's not really his father it's his
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it's his brother it's his twin really
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its yeah that the clone thing when it
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really got to me was at the end where I
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realized hey we're supposed to be
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rooting for the Jedi who are willingly
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sending living beings who have been
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genetically engineered to be compliant
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into battle to be killed slaughtered by
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a bunch of robots and the clone wars TV
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series that relationship between the
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Jedi and the clones is like that tension
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is five kills me that the cartoon
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network show us so much more nuanced and
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interest in these than these
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multi-million dollar movies but the Jedi
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have a relationship with the leaders of
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the clone armies and I think I kind of
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read in the television series the Jedi
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feel kind of bad
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what about this whole were commanding
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you and we're in this together and
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they're like you could have done
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something like that in this movie to
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show the Jedi were uncomfortable with
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this that they had a relationship with
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them in battle that didn't treat them
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just like a machine that you can give
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orders to it because it kind of makes
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sense that the humans treat the droids
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just machines because they just believe
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there's no strong AI and I was one
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throwaway line in this movie that
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actually kind of liked they said well
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that machines that would think there
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wouldn't be any of us here I'm like hey
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that would be a blessing and B that's
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kind of a clever comment down AI but you
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know I've seen three c-3po and r2 and
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they actually seem like the thinking to
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me so maybe you should open your eyes
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you fought in the Clone Wars while the
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Clone Wars sound like they're really
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cool no actually it's just we made lots
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of photocopies and this one guy and made
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a giant army it was sort of like
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destroyed fighting drugs to be honest
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with you wasn't a big deal
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yeah and and then we ran them into the
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drugs yet because the droids is the
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excuse is like we don't care the first
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movie that the droids are dying and i
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will close vs towards don't you it's a
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kind of a wash right dad that they're
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all the same they died who came when i
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say fought in the Clone Wars what I mean
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mean is i SAT over here and watch that
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movie at that right yeah it's like very
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I know what you were saying to yourself
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when you saw how long this episode was
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wow that's a long episode of the
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uncomfortable i wonder if they manage to
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squeeze episode 2 into a single episode
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instead of doing it in two parts like
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they did with all of the other Star Wars
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well no that didn't happen
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join us next week for part two of our
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discussion of Star Wars Episode two
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