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0:00:51the incontrovertible number 182

0:00:56february2014 well here we are again did

0:01:01I call this meeting of the incomparable

0:01:03Star Wars Club to order we went through

0:01:05the original movies we went and watched

0:01:07episode one we let a reasonable amount

0:01:10of time lapse so that we could recover

0:01:12and we're back to talk about star wars

0:01:15episode episode I should let me let me

0:01:18punch with this properly Star Wars dash

0:01:20episode to Roman numeral colon

0:01:23attack of the clones right I think

0:01:25that's the right way to to get official

0:01:28title i got a wrong last time so I'm

0:01:30making sure I get it right this time and

0:01:32just to explain we would like to talk

0:01:36about star wars we did two episode

0:01:38chunks about each of the original three

0:01:41movies and then by popular demand they

0:01:43asked us to talk about

0:01:44I you listeners asked us to talk about

0:01:47the prequels which were which we denied

0:01:49all knowledge of before 1i listeners

0:01:51one-night-only we bring it back and we

0:01:54talked about it and so that leads us to

0:01:56this unfortunate moment which is what we

0:01:59watch Star Wars Episode two and now

0:02:00we're going to talk about it

0:02:01I want to I want to leave some warnings

0:02:03right here which is although we love

0:02:05Star Wars especially the original

0:02:06trilogy of prequels we don't love so

0:02:08much and although we try not to do whole

0:02:11episodes about things we know we're

0:02:12gonna hate be just to destroy them every

0:02:15now and then catharsis is good for the

0:02:17soul i believe and that's I think what

0:02:19you're probably going to here tonight is

0:02:21some some catharsis about a movie that

0:02:25we don't like although you never know

0:02:27Monty might say the things are there me

0:02:29my blow our minds with things that he

0:02:30likes about it i think it's unlikely

0:02:32might not do it might have created some

0:02:34other insane an unlikely backstory to

0:02:36make it all better for himself so let me

0:02:38introduce the the participants here

0:02:41before we get started

0:02:43skewered you heard Steve let's hi Steve

0:02:45hi Jason you watch the movie can we

0:02:49confirm that I i think i did alright i

0:02:52saw you get started actually with her in

0:02:54little pieces over yes I took me three

0:02:57it took me three nights and it felt like

0:02:59about 30 that's the worst Hanukkah ever

0:03:01all right as i will as i will discuss

0:03:03later it's a

0:03:04I have difficulty remembering this film

0:03:07so all right well do your best you can

0:03:10make for you I'll do it again

0:03:11alright i took extensive notes and until

0:03:13they turn into just horrible filthy

0:03:15scrolling is at the end of the list and

0:03:18i should be able to work from the right

0:03:19that it's it's never a good sign when

0:03:21you start with detail the film criticism

0:03:23notes and it ends in a suicide note

0:03:26yeah never a good son Monty actually is

0:03:28also here hi Monty by Jason good to have

0:03:31you here and to be here and he required

0:03:34me watching this may be there we go okay

0:03:37Dan more in you I believe watch this

0:03:42just moments ago flophouse style before

0:03:44the recording of this podcast is that

0:03:46correcting deed for the first time in 12

0:03:49years

0:03:49wow that's good and they haven't seen it

0:03:52since i saw it in the theater so thanks

0:03:54for reminding me yeah thank you for your

0:03:56commitment to the podcast is what i have

0:03:58to say i am going to be committed at the

0:03:59end of this podcast that may also be

0:04:01true

0:04:02serenity Caldwell I believe also joined

0:04:04you for this fine squeak screaming right

0:04:06before we begin recording hello

0:04:07unfortunately yes hello Jason I always

0:04:11watching with somebody

0:04:12yeah I you know is I'd watch them

0:04:15watching this movie when it came out in

0:04:182002 was I think a much better

0:04:20experience for me and I'm really

0:04:22watching it tonight but there was snark

0:04:24involved tonight so it was a little bit

0:04:25better

0:04:26that's good and of course you wouldn't

0:04:28miss one it's john siracusa hello i

0:04:31guess i can add another data point to

0:04:33this experiment and say that I to took

0:04:35three separate occasions to make it

0:04:37through this movie took two for me I i

0:04:40had to break right I rip the band-aid

0:04:42off and did in one good job

0:04:44well okay so I i have a little bit of a

0:04:49synopsis here in my notes that like I

0:04:51said trails off into sadness at the end

0:04:53or trails often incoherence at the end

0:04:55it starts really with sadness and goes

0:04:56from there

0:04:57but before I do I would like to ask if

0:04:59anybody particularly John Syracuse has

0:05:01any opening remarks as we often like to

0:05:04do especially for star wars episodes

0:05:05John do you have any room works i do

0:05:08have a very brief opening statement

0:05:09right I've heard the dan moore and also

0:05:11as well as well so he can go after me if

0:05:13you would like I don't already sent them

0:05:15very generous thank you job

0:05:17alright so i'm going to start with a

0:05:20brief review of my theory of the meta

0:05:23failure of the Star Wars prequels this

0:05:25is a repeat of anyone who has listened

0:05:27to the Phantom Menace episode this is

0:05:29just a quick summary of that so to recap

0:05:31that the reason these movies exist is to

0:05:34explain how Luke's father became Darth

0:05:37Vader because that's what we all want to

0:05:38know after seeing the first three movies

0:05:39and episode 1 didn't really do much in

0:05:43that regard to contribute to the effort

0:05:44towards my concern

0:05:46yeah it's my contention that the entire

0:05:48prequels the whole totally failed to

0:05:50achieve this goal and this is aside from

0:05:52their failings as an individual movie so

0:05:54that's the big bang theory but all that

0:05:56said going into episode 2 in 2002 i was

0:06:00actually cautiously optimistic for a

0:06:02couple of reasons about the second movie

0:06:04first I knew that Anakin will be played

0:06:07by different older and presumably better

0:06:09actor so thumbs up on that different

0:06:12second so much for presuming a sensible

0:06:14episode 2 was rumored to be darker than

0:06:16episode 1 and I figured she's after all

0:06:18that jar stuff darker has got to be

0:06:20better right at the best action scene in

0:06:23episode one was the lightsaber battle at

0:06:25the end and episode to promise to have

0:06:27more lightsaber battles Anna I sale this

0:06:31basically to explain that I wouldn't

0:06:32episode 2 I didn't go into a determined

0:06:34to hate it i went in thinking you could

0:06:37still turn this thing around

0:06:38I knew it was a three-episode trilogy

0:06:41with the first one was crummy but maybe

0:06:44to win three will be better so I had no

0:06:47preconceived notions I was willing to

0:06:49believe at this point and I think the

0:06:51rest of the podcast will talk about how

0:06:53my hopes were dashed alright good table

0:06:59setting their damn or would you like

0:07:00anything I i just had a short short list

0:07:04which includes let's see robots

0:07:06spaceships lightsabers political

0:07:11intrigue it elicits love affairs clones

0:07:16and only George Lucas could take all of

0:07:19these things put them in a single movie

0:07:21and make it so boring but you want to

0:07:24fall asleep or else your list didn't

0:07:26have death-sticks on it was that just an

0:07:28oversight

0:07:29no death-sticks reading challenge cuts

0:07:31what's the opposite of political

0:07:33intrigue is it political out tree good

0:07:36because that's what this movie had it

0:07:38yeah well we can start with the kraal

0:07:41can't leave because I quality where I

0:07:43was indicative yeah you have divided

0:07:45before you get there i have a refocusing

0:07:47statement myself oh my goodness yes this

0:07:49is this is as exciting as the Imperial

0:07:52Senate passing resolutions that are

0:07:54nominated by George are being opening

0:07:56statement the podcast don't get too

0:07:57excited

0:07:58dan yield the floor to refer know I know

0:08:00I i just wanted to that was sort of my

0:08:02nice little bitty rabbit but i agree

0:08:04with everything my esteemed colleague

0:08:06from siracusa that Ramu ok Steve you may

0:08:11go ahead

0:08:12this is more really the form of a

0:08:13disclaimer I this is absolutely true

0:08:16when I watched this movie it was several

0:08:19years after everybody else had already

0:08:20seen it and trashed it and I've seen

0:08:22episode 1 and thought okay well that's

0:08:23some crap but it you know it's semi

0:08:26entertaining and so I sat down to watch

0:08:29this I was on i think i was on a trip

0:08:31somewhere on for business sat down to

0:08:33the laptop watched it you know got

0:08:36through it and then a week later I was

0:08:38somewhere else in another hotel and I

0:08:40looked at the DVD and i realized i watch

0:08:43this week ago and I have absolutely no

0:08:46recollection of anything that happened

0:08:48in this film that is absolutely true

0:08:50two-and-a-half hours of my life were

0:08:52just gone

0:08:54I knew something must have happened

0:08:55during that time I had sort of a vague

0:08:57sense that there had been explosions and

0:09:00and sand but the specific I was a lot

0:09:02like a cup party back in college that I

0:09:05was thinking not unlike that at all

0:09:06except not only so far from the roof

0:09:08like fell on your head as you exited the

0:09:11theater and yes that might well yeah it

0:09:13was really like tiles were falling on my

0:09:15head throughout the entire viewing some

0:09:18of us could only wish that I'll had

0:09:19following months after this movie idea I

0:09:22don't know if I would take a concussion

0:09:24normally but it's looking good this is

0:09:27graham ok let's start with the crawl and

0:09:28when do you have any comments about the

0:09:30crawl i only have a couple notes there

0:09:31so yeah my my big note about the crawl

0:09:34is the only exciting words in that

0:09:37entire thing or army which they also i

0:09:41think happened to be both

0:09:42folded and everything else there Bob

0:09:45love oh blah blah blah limited Jedi

0:09:48numbers

0:09:49blah blah blah zenit my favorite part is

0:09:52blah blah blah

0:09:53Count Dooku yeah blah blah i would like

0:09:56is that you know when there's nothing

0:09:57better than then introducing a pivotal

0:10:00character being performed by a legendary

0:10:03actor by mentioning him as if you know

0:10:07who he is in the crawl involving

0:10:09bureaucracy and then not reply with your

0:10:13two hours

0:10:14well and then naming him something like

0:10:16Count Dooku so did anybody ever has

0:10:19anyone ever seen rocky doodle because I

0:10:21feel like there's a character named like

0:10:24Count Dooku or count Dukas or something

0:10:26like that and that is always stuck with

0:10:28me

0:10:28it's the nickname for receives cat one

0:10:31Wanda cool tool towards cools my note on

0:10:38the crawl was that I was excited up

0:10:39until the phrase a separatist movement

0:10:42which is for a way to describe a

0:10:45rebellion they could come up yes

0:10:47yeah like going in with expectations of

0:10:49like oh this the second one could be

0:10:50better you gotta hand is George Lucas he

0:10:52wasted absolutely no time and

0:10:54immediately dissuading me from the

0:10:56notion that this movie busy going to be

0:10:58different and I like the first sentences

0:11:01there is unrest and the Galactic Senate

0:11:04it's like a lot but not even a sentence

0:11:07I don't even get a sentence to think

0:11:09that maybe this was going to be

0:11:10different you go right for the Senate it

0:11:11turns out there's food poisoning even

0:11:13the universe is in peril

0:11:14there was no mention of taxation or

0:11:16trade routes this time

0:11:17yeah so but senators would like there is

0:11:20unrest is fine in the Galactic now don't

0:11:23say it's okay I think we're supposed to

0:11:26be excited when the Trade Federation

0:11:27guys show up near the end of the movie

0:11:29like Georgia has no idea what people are

0:11:32nostalgic for at all no yes new can

0:11:35raise those guys

0:11:36oh I hate those guys I just like that

0:11:38George Lucas looked at the first movie

0:11:40Ghost that's pretty low bar at i think i

0:11:42can get under that we're not playing a

0:11:45game of window darn it

0:11:46the separatist movement i mean this is

0:11:49this is the first off with it with the

0:11:51crawl is supposed to do is like get you

0:11:52excited about what's to what's to come

0:11:54and instead

0:11:56it's like trying to fill in lots of

0:11:58stuff that that is the trajectory that

0:12:00this film is trying to take us on except

0:12:02it's starting

0:12:03believe it or not it's starting later

0:12:05than it would have liked to eight get it

0:12:07seems to me that another hour of

0:12:08separatists arguing for a partition of

0:12:12the Empire in the Senate is a really

0:12:14well George Lucas wants to talk about

0:12:15here because ultimately is this not

0:12:17right that this this story is a

0:12:19slow-motion car crash but it really is

0:12:21just like hey what if there were lots of

0:12:23political imaginations behind it seems

0:12:25that led to a dictatorship

0:12:27okay I get it but um it's not

0:12:30interesting

0:12:31it's it's a story that has happened in

0:12:34history and you could tell it but it's

0:12:37not interesting and in the count dooku

0:12:39thing

0:12:40introducing him in the crawl you know

0:12:41it's just it just seems like a waste

0:12:43plus it's never clear later in the movie

0:12:45about the whole separatist movement and

0:12:48why they exist other than as a ploy

0:12:50churches what are they doing

0:12:52who are they why do they want to have a

0:12:54droid army

0:12:56why is the separatist movement made up

0:12:57entirely of businessmen except as a spin

0:13:00there's also that robot guy who they're

0:13:02at their robot business with the knobs

0:13:05on robot businesses with a with a night

0:13:07of the talking speaking spell from the

0:13:09tango yeah it's kind of like the father

0:13:12on the meters in I feel confident saying

0:13:14that this movie might have been better

0:13:16if the first two hours had been a crawl

0:13:18then there's like half an hour of like

0:13:20action at the end

0:13:22yeah that's how it's very it's certainly

0:13:24crawled i'll get there there are people

0:13:26who can make interesting movies and

0:13:29television shows out of political

0:13:31machinations but you have to kind of go

0:13:34the game of thrones route if you want to

0:13:36do that

0:13:37like who's yeah I guess lots of nudity

0:13:41is beyond all there's a fair amount of

0:13:42like a hinted duty in this movie anyways

0:13:45address buddy I'm there is midriff there

0:13:48is major and claws but no I mean there

0:13:52are hints that in this terrible train

0:13:56wreck of a movie there could have been

0:13:57something cool like the the lego the

0:14:02lego star wars version of this movie is

0:14:03perfectly fine right

0:14:05in fact i had i advise you to watch that

0:14:07instead of this

0:14:09I don't know about the lego star wars

0:14:12version of looking for I've never played

0:14:13the lego star wars yells I was thinking

0:14:16about that while watching this game and

0:14:17while watching pirates of the caribbean

0:14:19to that I watched yesterday there's

0:14:20lousy seems that I feel more charitable

0:14:23towards because I enjoyed playing a LEGO

0:14:26version it's a LEGO version was much

0:14:29much much better with the LEGO version

0:14:30is probably don't have terrible dialogue

0:14:32alright so we all made it through the

0:14:33crow we all survived i think all of the

0:14:36crawl is my first experience of going

0:14:38like is the the kraal they go through

0:14:40the car almost like you said it's

0:14:41setting you up for like the first scene

0:14:42of the movie and as I'm watching the

0:14:44crawl and being disgusted by whatever I

0:14:46go you know what I have no recollection

0:14:48of what they were trying to set up like

0:14:51you know that they're trying to set up

0:14:53something the scene is when economic

0:14:56dollar the senator whatever comes on the

0:14:57planet in her thing and and gets bombed

0:14:59right and what they were trying to set

0:15:01up there was supposed to be this vote

0:15:03and she was coming there to vote on and

0:15:04I had no recollection of that like boys

0:15:06I can't remember the promise of the

0:15:07first scene

0:15:08yeah this is this is not gonna be good

0:15:09and I like as I kept watching the movie

0:15:12i'm like it's just all with that alien

0:15:14guy with the forearms like seriously I

0:15:16had talked to some sort of end-user

0:15:18array that comes to have this move it

0:15:19makes you forget everything about it

0:15:21maybe it's like your brain protecting

0:15:22itself

0:15:23yeah it's it's like what happens when

0:15:24you're when you're reading something

0:15:26really boring and you suddenly realize

0:15:28that you stopped actually processing the

0:15:29word several paragraphs ago

0:15:31you're thinking about something more

0:15:32interesting yeah yeah speeders and

0:15:34clones are flying around and stupid

0:15:36things are being said poorly but your

0:15:37mind just checks itself out i just like

0:15:39even even focusing on

0:15:41I mean like Amidala that's a good point

0:15:43if the kraal was that that you know

0:15:46senator Amidala former formerly queen is

0:15:50on a desperate mission to save the the

0:15:53Empire from falling apart but she's

0:15:55under threat and has come here under

0:15:57heavy guard and try to make it like

0:15:58right like it's we missed a cliffhanger

0:16:00of an exciting thirties movie serial

0:16:03remember last time on star where yet her

0:16:07landing there and having the thing blow

0:16:09up and all that would be like oh you

0:16:10know what mission was she on and then we

0:16:12learned but instead it's like you know

0:16:14her mission is one little piece in this

0:16:16much bigger puzzle which may be true

0:16:18plot-wise but if you know will give us

0:16:20something we remember her vaguely from

0:16:22the last

0:16:22we can give can we hang something on

0:16:25that and then the calls are awkward at

0:16:27all the other movies as well but if you

0:16:29could sum up in like a sentence like

0:16:31empires like bad guys expecting the good

0:16:34guys good guys are hiding on snow planet

0:16:35like it and the next one is I that's are

0:16:38good guys trying to go get on soul he

0:16:40was frozen and the last movie will you

0:16:42notice the first the original trilogy

0:16:44the kraal always centers around the main

0:16:48characters like there's some big picture

0:16:49stuff but it always ends or begins with

0:16:53a main character i will these lies the

0:16:55rub because there is no matter what yeah

0:16:57there's no main character any the main

0:17:00characters of the prequels of a whole

0:17:02but especially episode 2 is the Galactic

0:17:06Senate and the Jedi Order there's no

0:17:08like we try they try and narrow it a bit

0:17:11like oh we should care about Anakin and

0:17:13obi-wan and Amidala and also Yoda and

0:17:16also the Jedi Council and also maybe

0:17:18charger like there's no centering force

0:17:21to any of this movie it's just a lot of

0:17:24tiny little vignettes that are supposed

0:17:26to string together and you're not quite

0:17:28sure how they all do which is

0:17:30inexcusable because again we're supposed

0:17:32to be learning ionic intensity darth

0:17:34vader and so you could write off the

0:17:35first movie but say surely now when we

0:17:37have an adult actor playing Anakin

0:17:39surely the focus will be on him how

0:17:41could it not be on him that's what these

0:17:42movies are about was like actually he's

0:17:44just kind of hanging around annoys you

0:17:45to illustrate this here's how have sowed

0:17:47fours crawl ends pursued by the Empire

0:17:51sinister agents Princess Leia races home

0:17:53about her starship custodian of the

0:17:55stolen plans that can save her people

0:17:56restore freedom to the galaxy and they

0:17:58cut from that to Princess Leia racing

0:18:01home aboard her starship with the stolen

0:18:02plans it flows in and tells you where

0:18:05you are supposed to this where I don't

0:18:07even remember how even the just the

0:18:09words are more days remember Army of the

0:18:11Republic yeah

0:18:13Count Dooku even count dooku doesn't get

0:18:16caps no no just the army of the republic

0:18:19and see if I can pull us past the call

0:18:22here after the crawl

0:18:24they you know they show the ship flying

0:18:26in yeah and everything and I was struck

0:18:28by like how the the CG and the opening

0:18:32scene you know they cut from that like

0:18:34the people walking out of the ship in

0:18:35line

0:18:36platform the CG and the audio in the

0:18:38opening scene looks better than the

0:18:39first live-action shot and that's

0:18:41something I would find myself thinking

0:18:42throughout this entire movie that the cg

0:18:44although it is a look

0:18:45it hasn't aged all that well you can see

0:18:46kind of like the rough edges invariably

0:18:49looks better to me than the live action

0:18:51shots and I think the live action shots

0:18:53are aging works so that the CD was like

0:18:55oh this could be cool that's nice

0:18:56visuals and I cut to a bunch of people

0:18:58walking around on a green screen thing

0:18:59I'm like oh yeah i forgot those with

0:19:00this movement it's not even the lights

0:19:02that are terrible to the compositing

0:19:04right like exactly what they're putting

0:19:05contrast with the cgi she couldn't

0:19:07figure out how to time it

0:19:09it's that the people never look like

0:19:10they're in the scene with whatever is

0:19:12flapping around a matter understand why

0:19:14because that like if anyone would have

0:19:16the technology to integrate them like

0:19:18the cg itself is very well done it's

0:19:20just I think there's something off about

0:19:22it and it you know it makes me wish the

0:19:25entire movie with CG like when the ship

0:19:26goes by I was thinking boy ben burtt

0:19:28still makes the best engine noise and

0:19:29then we cut to a bunch of people walking

0:19:31around the green screen like uh well on

0:19:33the other hand there are places where

0:19:34the CG is really really bad like I think

0:19:37on Kamino in particular the Camino and

0:19:39look ridiculous anytime you're gonna go

0:19:42two characters in this film they are

0:19:45inevitably going to look worse because

0:19:46we have to remember too that this is

0:19:482002 right this is pre monsters inc pre

0:19:51hair revolutions in CG and 3d pre proper

0:19:56lighting engineering so they're still

0:19:59dealing with I can't remember the exact

0:20:01title term with it but they they

0:20:03basically are dealing with a much

0:20:04reduced kind of like a 256-color

0:20:07lighting spectrum to borrow like it

0:20:10they're dealing like with with the gif

0:20:11of CGI right now before they haven't

0:20:14gotten to like jpeg ER SVG maybe they

0:20:17maybe should've dealt with that by I

0:20:19don't know some practical effects

0:20:21hey you would think but I they want Yoda

0:20:23jumping around

0:20:24I have a note later that says the

0:20:25practical effects that were worse than

0:20:27both the CD and live actors at one point

0:20:29that it's rather have Anakin and and pad

0:20:32me getting out of like that stupid

0:20:33gondola looking thing later in the movie

0:20:35and that gondola thing looks to me like

0:20:38someone made a CG model and then someone

0:20:42looked at the CG model and made a

0:20:44real-life wooden representation of it

0:20:46and then they got out of the wooden

0:20:47thing it's like then the

0:20:49movie made from the novelization of the

0:20:50you-know-what yeah it's a little less

0:20:52because in the workflow it's it's two

0:20:54cycles through the end it just I was

0:20:56like that wooden boat is the worst thing

0:20:57I've ever seen in a movie

0:20:59it just looks dumb it looks fake it

0:21:01doesn't look like anything I've ever

0:21:02want to see and I was begging for it to

0:21:04be done in badlo red cg with bad

0:21:06lighting on it like that would have been

0:21:07a step up at least it goes away quickly

0:21:09and like they're CGI diner owner who's

0:21:11in the middle of the scrum forever

0:21:14well look we get there we'll get there i

0:21:16wanna i want to mention want to drag at

0:21:17least the so there's an assassination

0:21:19attempt after an entire movie of a Padre

0:21:23having did doubles that I couldn't tell

0:21:26apart even though it was keira knightley

0:21:27and not Natalie Portman but that you can

0:21:29listen to our episode 1 episodes for

0:21:30that and nothing really happens except

0:21:33there's a switcheroo at some point here

0:21:35in the very first scene it's like that's

0:21:36why she's got a double because her

0:21:38double is horribly killed in an

0:21:39assassination attempt while Padma is

0:21:41riding in the little like side ship and

0:21:45actually doesn't look like her

0:21:46yeah this double actually looks more

0:21:47like jimmy smits double she says I've I

0:21:51failed you senator don't know how did

0:21:53not recognize exactly what you're there

0:21:55for you right

0:21:56she might have failed her by telling not

0:21:57telling her to get the hell off the

0:21:59platform that wasn't she supposed

0:22:00they're very clearly herself not really

0:22:03in a disguise she's taking off for

0:22:04disguise and she's just standing there

0:22:05right where they just killed what they

0:22:07thought was hurt like hell oh and she's

0:22:09there for a very long time and this

0:22:11scene all MC and follows it also blows

0:22:13me away because it makes the Jedi seem

0:22:14completely clueless because they

0:22:16actually say well as far as we can tell

0:22:18these are some disgruntled spice miners

0:22:20back on Abu really angry spice miners

0:22:23why we have you clear everything going

0:22:27course and it would be so much easier to

0:22:29bum you like in space and at this point

0:22:31I started writing lines of dialogue and

0:22:33I find a lot of my notes from episode to

0:22:34our lines of dialogue just because i was

0:22:36just my mind bother them in that

0:22:38particular scene talking about the spice

0:22:40miners and here's here's padme's lines i

0:22:42love how she doesn't use contractions

0:22:43because that shows she's formulas is

0:22:45good we should just read the dialogue of

0:22:46this movie as a podcast tonight

0:22:48directions or instructions hairline

0:22:50do you have any idea who's behind this

0:22:52attack is a contraction at least and

0:22:54then they say the spice mine things and

0:22:56then she says I think that can Dooku was

0:22:57behind it

0:22:58okay great writing their own idea I

0:23:02think that I think that is countered

0:23:03that that is literally every line here

0:23:05there's no subtext

0:23:07yes again again with the text versus

0:23:09subtext even the sentence construction

0:23:11doesn't vary here almost I was counting

0:23:12the number of lines that are like I verb

0:23:15blank like I verb now I verb down I verb

0:23:18adjective i feel like it's almost every

0:23:21sentence for a period of maybe 15-20

0:23:23minutes starts with every character

0:23:24saying I and only that but they're

0:23:26declarative sentences they're like I

0:23:28feel angry and upset yeah it's like oh

0:23:31you Europe the equivalent of pseudocode

0:23:33of yours in pseudocode you're not

0:23:34writing the actual computer code you

0:23:36want to do something just kind of

0:23:37sketching that vaguely ideas you know

0:23:39they're happening in Apple's behind

0:23:41andria and and they just they just took

0:23:43the pseudocode and I said but just have

0:23:44the people say that

0:23:45so you're thinking that maybe Lucas

0:23:47intended to go back into a second draft

0:23:49at some point all the George George

0:23:51these dialogues in brackets what does

0:23:53that mean why is it in brackets it's

0:23:54already headed to it later he was gonna

0:23:56give it to a writer and then someone to

0:23:57write the script does what he had it

0:24:00they had a writer

0:24:01they had a second writer on inhales

0:24:02right the great work with him on yahoo

0:24:04basically was like gasps sounds great

0:24:06George yeah I don't do much here let me

0:24:08do a couple typos corrections i'll just

0:24:11run spell check on it will be good

0:24:12we've got great actors like natalie

0:24:14portman you and mcgregor don't have seen

0:24:17did you not see episode 1i think the

0:24:20Count Dooku is behind it could not be in

0:24:22any other movie have you ever heard like

0:24:24in turn i think that blank is behind it

0:24:26like you can't say that in a movie you

0:24:28would say like Count Dooku or it must be

0:24:29Count Dooku somewhat like even those are

0:24:31clichés but something anything just

0:24:33throw me a bone but even those would

0:24:34sound yet even those would be more

0:24:36sonnets and the stupid I mean it sounds

0:24:39like it was written by a third grader

0:24:41really a line featuring Count Dooku

0:24:44sounds juvenile that the dialogue in the

0:24:47original Star Wars there's a lot of

0:24:48cliche dialogue that sounds like

0:24:51something out of a cereal right it's you

0:24:54know I sure did you sell it

0:24:56yeah with with all the all the all the

0:24:58stuff on the Death Star with leia and

0:24:59all that but it's it is and it's a

0:25:01reference and it snowing here it's not

0:25:03like campy or over-the-top it's

0:25:06non-existent it's just flat it's a

0:25:08blizzard gates and it's I really think

0:25:10it's more the delivery than the dialogue

0:25:12like

0:25:12well I was just gonna say what what is

0:25:15it what is it

0:25:15how do you believe that dialogue well

0:25:17because we agree the delivery is

0:25:19terrible and we create the lines a

0:25:20terrible but how do you apportion the

0:25:21blame

0:25:22well I think it's due Co if he's behind

0:25:24the script and I mean it depends you can

0:25:27you if you can produce this script in a

0:25:30way where you can make it actually sound

0:25:32like rational dialogue then it's the

0:25:35delivery but I don't think that's

0:25:37actually possible i don't know i think

0:25:38no matter who you put in those roles

0:25:40this is going to sound terrible because

0:25:43it will repel the guy who wrote the

0:25:44script also directed these people and I

0:25:46think the apportionment doesn't really

0:25:48matter

0:25:48oh yeah atlantis on one person i'm just

0:25:50saying like because there are a lot of

0:25:51terrible lines in the original trilogy

0:25:52and and you know great actors managed to

0:25:55sell them in hindsight but like I don't

0:25:58like another thing that I think could

0:25:59not be made better is when obi-wan and

0:26:01Anakin are coming up in the elevator and

0:26:02trying to share that tale about remember

0:26:04when I thought gundarks pit like it's

0:26:06you know what that seen this supposed to

0:26:08do is supposed to show us that they're

0:26:09these guys had some wacky adventures

0:26:11together and they're bonding fell into

0:26:12that nightmare master and then we pause

0:26:15for one breath and then laugh because

0:26:17remember and everyone says oh start to

0:26:21restrained in this film at least that

0:26:24was that keeps on giving my impression

0:26:25like you get Padme you get Anakin and

0:26:29obi-wan in that elevator scene where

0:26:32despite the fact that they have this

0:26:34somewhat casual dialogue and it's one of

0:26:36the few instances of casual dialogue

0:26:38they have they are both so it's like

0:26:41there's a wall between them and for all

0:26:43we know they could have recorded their

0:26:45dialogue and their appearances

0:26:47separately thanks to the magic of CGI

0:26:49Harrison Ford does more acting with one

0:26:52lean it's possible that hayden

0:26:53christensen is entirely

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0:29:01incomparable the Jedi also i have to say

0:29:05i couldn't imagine that the Jedi that

0:29:09being a Jedi Master a Jedi Knight would

0:29:12be boring but there's a piece of

0:29:14dialogue that really kills me early on

0:29:16here where they mentioned that they that

0:29:19obi-wan can take care of her and watch

0:29:21her

0:29:21he's just back from from a border

0:29:24dispute and I thought wow that is a

0:29:26terrible job being a Jedi Knight because

0:29:28apparently that's what they don't fight

0:29:30with lightsabers use the Force

0:29:32no you go again to the bureaucrats and

0:29:34other boarders be I think the river

0:29:36belongs to us no no

0:29:38half the river belongs to us well let's

0:29:41get the Jedi in here to deal with this

0:29:43well Jason the Jedi are keepers of the

0:29:45Peace not soldiers of course this is why

0:29:47the Republic has fallen because they're

0:29:49using their guys with awesome magic

0:29:51powers and lightsabers to deal with

0:29:52border disputes again meanwhile he's

0:29:55rotting from the inside out touring

0:29:57terrible job i'm just saying terrible

0:29:59job by the way this movie brings you out

0:30:01of this boredom is that all you think

0:30:03you think you're bored now you think

0:30:04that that scene where the elevator was

0:30:06too boring that sounds like that sticks

0:30:07up their butts just wait and again is

0:30:09gonna meet Pat me and he's going to

0:30:10start to work with his amazing like you

0:30:14grow until yeah so have you grown more

0:30:17beautiful I mean can we talk about the

0:30:19age discrepancy a little bit because

0:30:20this is very strange

0:30:21this is apparently ten years after the

0:30:23previous movie and and natalie portman

0:30:26doesn't look any older but of course

0:30:27Jake Lloyd is now hayden christensen

0:30:30she'll howls what she wanted me for

0:30:31great justice 1441 episode waters movie

0:30:36yeah she's supposed to be 14

0:30:38ok she was elected as Queen at 40 she

0:30:40wasn't the youngest queen ever elected

0:30:42and how old is Anakin eight

0:30:45yeah he's got easy and please so it's

0:30:49legal it's weird I've got some real

0:30:50issues with the whole concept of an

0:30:52elected queen by the way

0:30:54yeah i was looking that up on Wikipedia

0:30:57while we were watching tonight because i

0:30:59was very unclear about the whole

0:31:01mechanics of that I'm like really you're

0:31:03elected somebody who's 14 to govern your

0:31:06planet she was in the Legislative youth

0:31:08program

0:31:09yes and then it's like the model un

0:31:11never do I didn't know we elected people

0:31:14from the model un to you know service

0:31:16governor of us turns out nobody else on

0:31:18the booze quote I have no problem with

0:31:19this because I always viewed this as

0:31:21being one of these really you know

0:31:22bizarre things that grows up over over

0:31:25thousands of years where there's

0:31:26probably something about how we're going

0:31:28to take our our most brilliant children

0:31:30before their unsullied by political

0:31:31connections and we're going to you know

0:31:33elect them as the Queen the queen is is

0:31:36is not a in in most times it's just a

0:31:38ceremonial figure because the guy with

0:31:40the guy with the goatee is back there

0:31:42doing the actual work right okay you

0:31:44gotta work all way to get that job yeah

0:31:46course setup that makes sense if she's

0:31:48she's clearly only a figurehead that

0:31:50makes perfect sense but it appears

0:31:52there's based on the first movie that

0:31:53she is the one and only government

0:31:54official on all of that was that was

0:31:56extraordinary circumstances just so

0:31:58later is one the one time it matter it's

0:32:00so lazy for there to be a two-term limit

0:32:02in the Constitution wait i should point

0:32:05out there actually are other are there

0:32:07are other levers of power in the form of

0:32:09her various body doubles because they

0:32:12apparently you have shots they couldn't

0:32:13win there yet when they're the Queen

0:32:15that's good because apparently they're

0:32:17being asked to sacrifice themselves not

0:32:19for the hereditary ruler but just for

0:32:21the fourteen-year-old that was elected

0:32:23for her first term as Queen it's serving

0:32:26the duty of my planet all should have

0:32:28been in the Legislative youth program

0:32:30not the decoy youth program here we are

0:32:33talking about political science again

0:32:35what is this movie done to us

0:32:37so going back to going back to the

0:32:40relationship thing for a second

0:32:42the age discrepancy I don't notice so

0:32:45much in this film because they both look

0:32:47very young and it's kind of like okay

0:32:49whatever but watching this film 10 years

0:32:53later I don't think I realized just how

0:32:57freakishly creepy the first half of this

0:33:00movie is in terms of lines and like I

0:33:04don't know I mean I got AI mean I was

0:33:07watching this movie with Dan and Dan had

0:33:08to walk out of the room a couple times

0:33:10because I was yelling at the television

0:33:12and I'm not usually a person who's like

0:33:14oh god that's you know that's really

0:33:17disrespectful or that you know seems

0:33:19like an invasion of a woman space but

0:33:21like the first half of this movie is so

0:33:24creepy

0:33:26Anakin is such a creeper will always be

0:33:28that little boy to me

0:33:29imagines that thing just their creepier

0:33:32Jason well no but that's not the creepy

0:33:34part of the creepy part of the way he'll

0:33:35ears at her he is the creepiest low

0:33:38yeah you're leering smirk the she

0:33:41doesn't like me watching her and no

0:33:44it's so gross ya know this Merc the

0:33:47smirk is the worst part makes her skin

0:33:49crawl

0:33:50it's so creepy you're exactly the way i

0:33:53remember you in my dreams pocket also

0:33:56write as h goes in for a kiss she does

0:33:58not respond at all she's just staring

0:34:00into the distance

0:34:02well yeah but it's okay for him to be

0:34:04creeper like I like when I was watching

0:34:05twilight you know it's like it's ok if

0:34:07he wants to be creepy because he doesn't

0:34:08being a bad guy right

0:34:10maybe he's creepy but that the center of

0:34:11this movie is not so much that he's

0:34:13creepy and annoying which I guess hurts

0:34:14the movie if you wanted to be likable in

0:34:15anyway because he's terrifying but that

0:34:18the premise of this movie is that

0:34:20respond yeah he responds to that I can't

0:34:23imagine anything that Anakin said has me

0:34:25presents being attractive to any woman

0:34:27that ever and somehow because the script

0:34:31because the script says oh she responses

0:34:33like oh yes that's totally a turn-on

0:34:35are you kidding me a turn-on been dying

0:34:38a little each day since you came back

0:34:40really not like everything everything he

0:34:44does everything you know he whines about

0:34:45obi-wan he's just full of complaints

0:34:48seems like he's a loser he is an

0:34:50annoying leering creepy loser and if she

0:34:53taught him a lesson and laid him low and

0:34:55had him realized that that he ki he

0:34:57needed to treat her like a real person

0:34:59that would be an interesting

0:34:59relationship dynamic but no you're right

0:35:01John basically what the lesson learned

0:35:04here is be a totally creepy dude and

0:35:06never give up being creepy and

0:35:08eventually your creepiness will be

0:35:10properly interpreted as love will come

0:35:12around

0:35:12yeah listen I cannot count the number of

0:35:14times i've walked into a bar and shouted

0:35:16they're like animals and i slaughtered

0:35:18them like animals and totally got like

0:35:23five phone numbers right this let's go

0:35:25out let me talk to him the way you talk

0:35:27to a child at one point when he's

0:35:28whining about obi-wan pad me says them

0:35:30that must be frustrating for you which

0:35:32is how you talk to children to like sort

0:35:34of acknowledge their emotions into like

0:35:36you know that's she treats him like a

0:35:38child because the acts like a child and

0:35:40during this whole time she's totally

0:35:42flat but again if you follow the pace of

0:35:43the movie or like we're supposed to

0:35:45believe that she is falling in love with

0:35:46him it's like that the real howler lines

0:35:48at the end of this movie about how about

0:35:50how much in love they are like yeah that

0:35:53the number of scenes exist where they

0:35:54could theoretically have fallen in love

0:35:56it doesn't happen

0:35:57in those scenes but at a pace it out

0:35:59like what ya their fortunes I mean

0:36:01obviously they had time yeah they have

0:36:03the scene we're talking a senior playing

0:36:05a scene where they kiss and a scene

0:36:08where they're married but the characters

0:36:11don't fall in love during those see ya

0:36:13if they have taken out even some of the

0:36:15creepiness like there's that there's

0:36:18that conversation they have skipping

0:36:20ahead a little bit in the freighter when

0:36:21they're heading home to Naboo on you

0:36:23know unregistered transit and that scene

0:36:26could have been very sweet and been like

0:36:28oh this is a you know it's it's strange

0:36:31how far we've come in 10 years and

0:36:33instead know the last line of that scene

0:36:35is your exactly how i remember you in my

0:36:38dreams leering look Padme looks down at

0:36:41her hands saying oh lord what have I

0:36:43gotten myself into this guy is going to

0:36:45be protecting me but she supposed to be

0:36:47saying oh I'm overwhelmed by how much he

0:36:49loves me and I find that such a bit i'm

0:36:51attracted him incredibly no no you're

0:36:53not but yet that's how that's how she's

0:36:54supposed to be acting there that he's

0:36:56winning her over with this well Jason's

0:36:58point earlier i think what's interesting

0:36:59is there's there could have been an

0:37:01interesting dynamic again with this this

0:37:03woman who was put in charge of an entire

0:37:05you know planet when she was a small

0:37:06child she was probably not interacting

0:37:08with other like people her age like

0:37:11again you could have done something

0:37:12interesting with him or her being like

0:37:14well she's been kind of sheltered you

0:37:15know when she's maybe kind of damage

0:37:17because she's had to do all this stuff

0:37:18that's really beyond her years that but

0:37:21no we don't go that way that too

0:37:25emotionally damaged people and i would

0:37:27think she seems so worldly that she

0:37:29would issue has been everything that he

0:37:30has to offer that she would find

0:37:32interesting she ruled the planet she's a

0:37:33senator she's traveling from planet to

0:37:35planet he's like he's just been isolated

0:37:38from his entire family apparently just

0:37:39doing the Jedi thing or disputes hanging

0:37:42out with everyone and arpit he would not

0:37:44be interested in him in any way

0:37:47yes so here's the thing i wanted to also

0:37:49mention that's why I slowly try to drag

0:37:51this forward that will have more time to

0:37:54talk about this relationship I think as

0:37:56we go in the scene before they the

0:37:59centipede attack

0:38:01there's a video game ever is a

0:38:03conversation we're talking Jar Jar as

0:38:05president they're all company and and

0:38:07the thing that there's a fascinating

0:38:08little shot that i wanted to mention we

0:38:11pitches they have there's a pause in the

0:38:12conversation and they cut to charge our

0:38:14who sits there and doesn't do anything

0:38:16and it goes for a couple seconds for its

0:38:19charge are sitting there in their

0:38:20silence and then they cut away and it's

0:38:23just it's it's maybe the best shot in

0:38:25the movie because i have no idea where

0:38:27that shot is there other than hey its

0:38:30charge our doctors here

0:38:31the kid was charged are but it's not

0:38:33like that with dialogue it's just silent

0:38:35of Jar Jar like and there throughout

0:38:38this movie there are some things that

0:38:39seemed kind of questionable in terms of

0:38:41just the competence of editing and

0:38:42directing movie where they're cut away

0:38:44so I'm like why is that cutaway there

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0:41:00podcast ok centipede attack

0:41:03r2d2 is a terrible security would i have

0:41:06i have those exact words in my notes he

0:41:08is the worst security system ever mean

0:41:10to think about what happens in this room

0:41:12bright lights noise objects falling from

0:41:15the ceiling to the ground he can detect

0:41:17none of these things a toddler in the

0:41:19room would turn his toddler head towards

0:41:21the emotion and the noise and light

0:41:23aren't you nothing that doesn't even

0:41:25notice he's in sleep mode

0:41:26I don't know that he's worse than the

0:41:28two Jedi in the next room who are

0:41:30bickering well their target while

0:41:32they're like it but you're Jenny's Magic

0:41:34Man her right that should I they're Jedi

0:41:37come on your you didn't send two

0:41:39Schmucks to cart but they say he's a

0:41:41computer with sensors and rockets and

0:41:44stuff and yet I think the idea is that

0:41:46is he fell asleep or something or that

0:41:48because they didn't break the little

0:41:49beams he's admitting just look around

0:41:51it's the only thing moving with bright

0:41:53lights in the entire room how can you

0:41:55not know I mean the giant to their

0:41:56credit even though they're not in the

0:41:57room sense the danger eventually and

0:41:59jump in and killed the little worm

0:42:01things but there are two is fired wait

0:42:03okay wait I have to take issue with the

0:42:04way they kill them because when you have

0:42:06force powers you could just throw things

0:42:08against the wall instead you're gonna

0:42:09use a lightsaber and carefully choose

0:42:11from someone's face to slice it out of

0:42:13her hair was just trying to show off

0:42:15like that that if you're trying to look

0:42:16for some way the mannequin could do

0:42:17something that could conceivably be

0:42:19impressive maybe you could say

0:42:21demonstrating his jedi skillz x like

0:42:23floating stupid Paras around and stuff

0:42:25maybe that could be impressive to like a

0:42:27in a teenage girl who she's set up at

0:42:29the wrong home this story ends wait to

0:42:31see it but in a better way I think yeah

0:42:34we just put on a robot head i'm curious

0:42:36as to why it takes them Intel the

0:42:38centipedes are actually crawling into

0:42:40her hair to to sense it

0:42:42I sense it too for drawing Steve drama

0:42:45since 8th grade five seconds ago

0:42:47yeah but they're still pickering when he

0:42:48senses it suddenly the answer to every

0:42:50question you have steve is because it's

0:42:52in the script they sense that r2d2 was

0:42:54beeping his sleep cycle instead of being

0:42:56awake that's what they said it when they

0:42:58have Palpatine send Anakin to get pad me

0:43:02like the property is trying to do these

0:43:03things look at the puppet master he's

0:43:04gonna send this guy to get that guy talk

0:43:06to this guy and ask her about that and

0:43:08you're like it seems like oh it's this

0:43:10amazing plan is coming together but the

0:43:11only reason any of these things work

0:43:13like Palpatine's his little plan to send

0:43:17people to various places and he knows

0:43:18that person is going to be sent to

0:43:19protect her and stuff is because the

0:43:21script says so like that you couldn't

0:43:23set off I if I send obi-wan to protect

0:43:26her the Nobel on the Jedi people who

0:43:27decide to Nana can protect her then and

0:43:29we'll get together with her because I

0:43:30know the next movie like if you follow

0:43:32the steps backwards

0:43:34there's no expectation that they would

0:43:35have come out this way and the only

0:43:36reason i do is like the handset because

0:43:38the script said they should i am glad to

0:43:40see that there's a strong market for

0:43:41robots that their sole purpose is to

0:43:44dissolve holes in windows and then

0:43:46delivered the contents of a tube through

0:43:47them heroes its sole purpose for other

0:43:51things too it's it's I think that's a

0:43:52multitasking delivers death stare like

0:43:54r2d2 has like five functions including

0:43:58rockets

0:43:59yeah and apparently sleeping through

0:44:00guard duty is one of the so 100 be one

0:44:02in a as proving he's a man of action

0:44:05leaps out of the window into the open

0:44:09space grabs ahold of the of the after

0:44:12incidentally just spending the whole

0:44:13night lecturing Anakin on how they're

0:44:15just there to protect Padme yeah so he

0:44:17he obviously was convinced and he jumped

0:44:20out and then we get to see one year

0:44:22after mark monsters inc was released we

0:44:24get to see a replay of the door scene 4

0:44:26monsters as he dangles from a thing and

0:44:30swings around in a large space and goes

0:44:31whoa does not get my car and exactly

0:44:35does never gets hit by car there's never

0:44:36anything but I was struck by how much it

0:44:38was like the door scene and monsters

0:44:39incorporated and then there's this penny

0:44:42ends up in a speeder chase this is all

0:44:44happening three-dimensional

0:44:46and there's cars everywhere and there's

0:44:48a whole chase happening and the notes i

0:44:49have here is it all seems really slow

0:44:53there's no wind that they completely

0:44:55lose the guy and then somehow are like

0:44:57he's over there and pick up the chase

0:44:59again which makes no sense at all

0:45:01there's a shortcut

0:45:02even though they're traveling in

0:45:03completely unfettered three-dimensional

0:45:05space

0:45:06yes there's a shortcut that leaves them

0:45:07several hundred feet higher and like a

0:45:11minute ahead

0:45:12so that's a really good shortcut i would

0:45:14like to complain about a line of

0:45:15dialogue here which was meant to be a

0:45:18light-hearted and airy and quippy it's

0:45:21when Anakin says oh you know master i

0:45:24couldn't find a speeder i really liked

0:45:26yeah I have to blame the director or

0:45:30somebody for not saying that line didn't

0:45:32work at all

0:45:33let's just cut it once more for safety

0:45:36please

0:45:36Hayden ya know that the director is the

0:45:39writer so you know he doesn't like

0:45:41anything claimed go ahead but like its

0:45:42it goes back to John's point about the

0:45:44first movie right

0:45:45this is the take they took you know

0:45:47George Lucas on it takes like nothing's

0:45:49gonna get me another one that's good

0:45:50let's use that one boy when it was a

0:45:52moment when the flying car because I

0:45:54mean guys course on City a planet that's

0:45:57just a city it's got layers of traffic

0:45:59you've got this so it's a super

0:46:00futuristic thing and you gotta chase

0:46:03scene and you've got a car that's like a

0:46:05hot rod flying car and and you need to

0:46:08go down a bunch of levels recklessly and

0:46:10so you're gonna you're just gonna go out

0:46:11of lanes of traffic and shoot down and

0:46:13you cut to the people who are doing it

0:46:14and it's like they're going through a

0:46:16tollbooth there's no wind

0:46:18there's no excitement it's like it's

0:46:21like dad let's me drive in the driveway

0:46:23on Sundays it's just I a blew me away

0:46:25that this is theoretically this should

0:46:27be very exciting and it wasn't exciting

0:46:29at all

0:46:29well they reflect the level of

0:46:30excitement that that I had and watching

0:46:32this is a better version of the scene go

0:46:34to start or is it is no way this is this

0:46:36is the problem that i have with

0:46:37remembering anything in this movie and

0:46:39and this is just one of maybe like 10

0:46:42different sequences that are just pure

0:46:44action and its really it's because the

0:46:46movie is just basically a bunch of video

0:46:47game levels and they're strung together

0:46:50with really terrible cutscenes but like

0:46:52ninety percent of it is just crazy video

0:46:55game stuff flies around and goes boom

0:46:57and it just totally fails to make any

0:46:58sort of lasting

0:46:59pression mean there's even a conveyor

0:47:01belt season scene which is something

0:47:03that's been a videogame clichéd since

0:47:04before some of you were born

0:47:06there's no sense of any mass with this

0:47:08ship or like when somebody's eyes to

0:47:11jump out of the ship and plummet 500

0:47:13miles and get caught again there's no

0:47:17danger to them why should there be

0:47:18danger to me the audience you know

0:47:21there's no feeling of even physics here

0:47:22that was a problem in the first movie to

0:47:24is yeah there was just no sense that

0:47:26anything bad could potentially even

0:47:27happen to these characters so what's the

0:47:29point yeah there's another issue I have

0:47:32with all these these scenes too and

0:47:33that's that so much of this chase in

0:47:35particular but it happens throughout the

0:47:37movie it's it's focused on showing us

0:47:39the cool fake buildings of khorasan and

0:47:42the chase its I mean like will be

0:47:44zooming in on some neon colored color

0:47:46book covered building for several

0:47:48seconds and then after we've been

0:47:50looking at that for a while you know

0:47:52maybe the bounty hunter will run to view

0:47:53of the top right corner but it's just

0:47:56we're forced to stare at these set

0:47:58pieces and the chase is just totally

0:48:00incidental i also don't after the

0:48:03shortcut he there's this really dramatic

0:48:06scene where he he's figured out how he

0:48:09could get her because because they took

0:48:11the shortcut and he jumps out and jumps

0:48:14out of the car and falls all the way

0:48:16down to her and it's perfectly timed you

0:48:17never get any sense that he's been

0:48:19timing it or that he knows where it is

0:48:20it does even I like I get the point of

0:48:24of it happening and yet it isn't set up

0:48:27properly so when it happens it's sort of

0:48:28like what how did that happen and then

0:48:31he he lands also i guess when they're on

0:48:34the ground they say that that that the

0:48:36bounty hunter is probably a changeling

0:48:38so there's your star trek cross over

0:48:40there Dan like odo yeah I appreciate

0:48:42that

0:48:43well did it which makes no sense at all

0:48:45because there's like one scene when

0:48:46she's driving the ship where you see

0:48:48you're like her face flickr slightly and

0:48:50then when she dies she turns into going

0:48:52to her natural floor why didn't you just

0:48:54stay in the natural form the whole time

0:48:56as aliens all over this planet

0:48:57why don't you just turn into any other

0:48:59form and walk away like that she has her

0:49:01little cloth mouth covering which

0:49:03chicken

0:49:04yeah protects her fake identity great

0:49:06it's definitely take that off in the

0:49:08middle of flying around why not wait

0:49:10until you've gotten lost

0:49:12obviously she thinks it's very effective

0:49:13because you kinda looks around behind

0:49:15her like she's making sure no one's

0:49:16looking before she takes it off her

0:49:17mouth

0:49:18I don't know there's just yet there's so

0:49:20much wrong with the scene in addition

0:49:21just the whole like the resolution of

0:49:23the scene with the we think the assassin

0:49:25was hired by a bounty hunter like how

0:49:27many layers of contracting are going on

0:49:29here

0:49:30you're a bounty hunter you don't need to

0:49:31hire an assassin to do this but because

0:49:34they keep increasing and competence look

0:49:36again when they try to blow off the you

0:49:37know the senator when she lands she's

0:49:39there you could just picture off with

0:49:40the sniper rifle like any of these

0:49:41people could be killed at any time by a

0:49:43twentieth-century sniper on this planet

0:49:45who just wanders around the battlefield

0:49:47and yet but with all the advanced

0:49:49technology like the best way to kill her

0:49:51is with worms can we get some worms into

0:49:53her room at the poison dart shot it

0:49:56wanted like you have a mile away by the

0:49:57master ground should pad me with that

0:50:00done and done

0:50:01where's Padme during this whole chase if

0:50:04he could just kill people as well as he

0:50:05commanded subcontractors he'll be fine

0:50:07he just hired two Assassin's the first

0:50:08assassin gets all the bodyguards chasing

0:50:10them halfway across chorus on the other

0:50:12one just has to get through george r and

0:50:15the in the handmaiden

0:50:16I do like the fact that when the poison

0:50:18dart get shot at the bounty hunter

0:50:19obi-wan takes the opportunity to pull it

0:50:22out look at it and say toxic Dart

0:50:24thanks thanks Toby you are ok you just

0:50:28skipped past what I think is the dumbest

0:50:30thing in all of Star Wars is the

0:50:33death-sticks it's the bar name of the

0:50:35person who set who is trying to sell

0:50:37death-sticks it's Elian sleazebag o Neal

0:50:40I'm a sleazebag know because he is a

0:50:44sleazebag that it actually manages to

0:50:48top Count Dooku that's pretty good

0:50:49aliens sleazebag no yes route bag and

0:50:52although i think if you look carefully

0:50:54in the in that bar scene you can see

0:50:55both anthony daniels and Ahmed best two

0:50:58plays Jar Jar as well as is and you can

0:51:00see Lucas's Lucas's daughter's in there

0:51:02twice i think they give her two shots on

0:51:04camera

0:51:04I just assume all of the younglings

0:51:07later on our Lucas's kids it's got

0:51:09Mykelti will appreciate this wherever he

0:51:11is it reminded me of the bar scene in

0:51:13Star Trek 3 which is an attempt to

0:51:16create an energy future bar scene like

0:51:19in Blade Runner maybe even the original

0:51:21star wars but in fact it is not that

0:51:24interesting and seems kind of corny and

0:51:27this reminded me of that

0:51:28yeah but there's a lot of blade runner

0:51:29esque imagery with neon lights and I'm

0:51:31surprised that people with umbrellas

0:51:33plateau panels but they came they don't

0:51:35mind right up to that line and so that

0:51:36you know that the most Eisley cantina

0:51:37reflections with like obi-wan cutting

0:51:40off someone's arm and the whole idea i

0:51:42give that like at least at least that

0:51:45that type of thing having only one in a

0:51:47bar and cutting off someone's arm at

0:51:48least that doesn't involve dialogue so

0:51:50we're spared their spirits one aspect of

0:51:52the terror that is this movie were

0:51:54spared a line if you're going like this

0:51:55will probably come up again someday

0:51:57so much of this movie is just mindless

0:51:59callbacks you'll be the death of me haha

0:52:03i did they tried to the scene where like

0:52:05they show that the assassin creeping up

0:52:07and you they try to make you think he's

0:52:08creeping up and can instead of creeping

0:52:09up and we want but like it's done so

0:52:12badly like that cliché just events

0:52:14there either way you don't get someone's

0:52:16creeping up to a door but it's not the

0:52:17door you think it is and he opens the

0:52:19door and you realize it you know that

0:52:20whole cliché I were talking about it

0:52:23Jason mentioned bad editing like it's

0:52:24just not competently done nevermind that

0:52:26we don't care about these people and we

0:52:27know how it's going to turn out there's

0:52:28no actual attention

0:52:29it's just not done well well it's weird

0:52:31too because it's one of the few we were

0:52:32pointing out watching it that it's one

0:52:34of the few first person camera shots in

0:52:37Star Wars if there are any at all like

0:52:39you get a perspective shot from Anakin

0:52:41as he's walking through the bar and you

0:52:43get these wacky sort of moving close ups

0:52:45which feel very unstar Wars like because

0:52:49we don't see that kind of camera work

0:52:50anywhere else it's very odd now in the

0:52:53bar scene we do get a nice window into

0:52:55the importance of the master to Padawan

0:52:57a relationship when Anakin tells ob1

0:53:01that he thinks that this this person

0:53:03they're chasing maybe a shape-shifter

0:53:04and the solid Jedi Master advice it gets

0:53:07back is be extra careful that's just

0:53:10good writing again

0:53:11ob1 thanks a lot man that's what my mom

0:53:13says every time I hang up the phone with

0:53:15her

0:53:15be careful that's huge it did quite

0:53:17gotten tell you

0:53:18that is that how you get that's how we

0:53:19learn that no see I'm willing to give up

0:53:21we won the benefit of the doubt here and

0:53:23so like yea alright be extra careful

0:53:24then I don't know I feel I end up

0:53:26feeling bad for obi-wan most last movie

0:53:28he was just a whiny annoying pain but

0:53:30now

0:53:30Anakin has grown into that role and most

0:53:32of the time I feel pretty bad for

0:53:34everyone especially later on when he's

0:53:36talking about like you know mace windu

0:53:39and you're like yet and Anakin to do

0:53:41this thing is like guys he is not ready

0:53:43for that they're like nope sorry we're

0:53:45sending him to do this thing and I'm

0:53:46like wow so really wasn't will be once

0:53:48no yeah i'm always looking for like any

0:53:51sympathetic characters movie and we want

0:53:52is the closest to being sympathetic I

0:53:54think what you want a greater comes the

0:53:55closest to rising above the material the

0:53:58situations and everything else involved

0:54:00in this movie and trying to make a

0:54:01character that you perhaps have some

0:54:03pity for if only pity that he has to be

0:54:05in this movie at least he's now

0:54:07graduated from the Padawan rat tail

0:54:09yes admittedly it's to the full fledge

0:54:11force mullet but at least he doesn't

0:54:13have to carry that braid right hey that

0:54:15is in honor of qui-gon jinn ok let's

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0:56:56great can we do it briefly the diner

0:56:58scene i have one note about that with

0:56:59the totally superfluous fifties diner

0:57:02Lucas loves 250 remember we're not we're

0:57:04not up to the diner scene yet

0:57:06that's right after the the toxic Dart so

0:57:08they go back they go back to Amidala and

0:57:11then they had they have a they have a

0:57:12check in with the as another

0:57:16interminable see more people sit on

0:57:17couches lockwell so i wanted to mention

0:57:19that i actually took notes on this part

0:57:20so I'm get by gum I'm gonna get them out

0:57:22because they referred Amidala as the

0:57:23leader of the Opposition at one point

0:57:25which I am completely baffled by because

0:57:28now we've got layers within layers in

0:57:29the Imperial Senate what is she opposing

0:57:31she isshe opposing the separatists is

0:57:33she opposing Palpatine it doesn't look

0:57:35like it because she's got meetings with

0:57:36him

0:57:37what is she she had is she like in the

0:57:39blue political party and there's also a

0:57:42red political party and but there are

0:57:44around

0:57:45event because then there's separatists I

0:57:47don't understand why she's the leader of

0:57:49anything let alone an opposition that I

0:57:51don't understand from what I can

0:57:53understand and i'm basing this entirely

0:57:56off of the crawl and the little i read

0:57:58off Wikipedia Wikipedia it's the the

0:58:02bill that they talked about that's been

0:58:04voted on and committee for the last two

0:58:06years that she's flown to correspond to

0:58:09vote on that we hear about once in the

0:58:11crawl and then never again besides that

0:58:14she's the leader of the Opposition for

0:58:16this bill I guess that's why they're

0:58:17trying to kill her

0:58:18well yeah the bill itself i think has to

0:58:21do with creating a standing army and

0:58:23she's opposed to that which is hilarious

0:58:26because the clones end up you know

0:58:28that's why they talk they talked when

0:58:30she's out of the picture they can talk

0:58:31to charger into it which is part of the

0:58:32plot I just know it when you've got an

0:58:34opposition and you've also got a

0:58:36rebellion essentially the separatists it

0:58:38gets really confusing to throw these

0:58:40political terms around and and again but

0:58:42sometimes people to find these movies

0:58:43and say these movies for kids so with

0:58:45these movies for kids it's really too

0:58:47damn confusing because i have no idea

0:58:49what's going on here in terms of the

0:58:51politics at all my other notes here by

0:58:53the way are we get some really good

0:58:55crazy Amidala hair here which is very

0:58:57clearly like see this is where her

0:58:59daughter got it

0:59:00this is where the crazy hairstyles come

0:59:01from and i'm also in this seemed

0:59:04everybody keeps referring to how great

0:59:07Anakin is which i find fascinating

0:59:08because I up on the screen and he

0:59:10doesn't seem like he's that great at all

0:59:11and and that and that while they're

0:59:14playing him like he's somebody who's got

0:59:15this dark side who's going to come out

0:59:17that's always the kind of dream of the

0:59:19the star wars backstory is he always had

0:59:21this undercurrent in it it went horribly

0:59:23wrong

0:59:23I can't read them as anything other than

0:59:25just kind of a spoiled brat who doesn't

0:59:26like it when he doesn't get what he

0:59:27wants which is you know spoiled brat who

0:59:30becomes evil monster is not as exciting

0:59:32or interesting as person with a good

0:59:35core and a dark side that gets exploited

0:59:37but that's how I feel about it is that

0:59:40he just comes across as like a spoiled

0:59:41oh yeah

0:59:42don't look at me like that it makes me

0:59:43feel uncomfortable he could not find a

0:59:45speeder like okay okay i'll keep the

0:59:47leering at you and drooling this is the

0:59:49point that i wrote in my notes in your

0:59:50pre prequel Star Wars related daydreams

0:59:53when you wonder what Anakin Skywalker

0:59:54was like man

0:59:55especially that little wider even on

0:59:58your radar man

0:59:58your radar man

1:00:00I'm pretty sure it was a creepy stalker

1:00:02was definitely not on my radar it is

1:00:04really unloading a lot of crap about

1:00:06obi-wan padmé here

1:00:08yeah well especially after he keeps

1:00:09repeatedly telling everyone that you're

1:00:11like a father to me like again it's no

1:00:14more plausible in so it that that

1:00:16relationship is no more plausible than

1:00:18the relationship between human pod may

1:00:19really you know he says you're like a

1:00:22father me and yeah okay there's a little

1:00:23bit of that like oh I'm having gone

1:00:25through my teenage rebellion phase but I

1:00:27don't know I just I just don't buy it

1:00:29they don't sound like it

1:00:31you can't just yell so you can't just

1:00:32say that you're like yeah exactly

1:00:34show me this is like apologizing nothing

1:00:36on my way shows that stop telling me

1:00:38start doing something I do think it's

1:00:40interesting that that scene that you're

1:00:42like a father to me scene comes

1:00:44immediately before he goes and meets

1:00:46with Palpatine and Palpatine's like oh

1:00:48so you're really giving you your real

1:00:51position congratulations would be son

1:00:54haha me go

1:00:57haha don't mind this hood back here I've

1:00:59don't have it for any particular reason

1:01:00to style the hoodie they all the kids

1:01:03with me and mcdermott also putting in

1:01:06you know giving a game attempt to

1:01:08continue his role as Palpatine here if

1:01:10the only one who has a sensible

1:01:12character arc where he was the galaxy

1:01:15and many tries to do things to rule the

1:01:17galaxy aided by the ridiculous script

1:01:19that make all these plans come to

1:01:20fruition without any real effort on his

1:01:22part but it's clear what his motivation

1:01:24is is clearly is a bad guy so he's got a

1:01:27leg up on almost everyone else in this

1:01:28movie

1:01:29yeah i mean dan and I were talking about

1:01:31this what we were watching the end of

1:01:32the movie and if Palpatine's real goal

1:01:35is to play two sides against the other

1:01:37it would have been a lot cooler to

1:01:39actually see a lot more of his

1:01:41machinations in this film and in the

1:01:44prior film and really make it be like

1:01:46Anakin may have had some dark side in

1:01:48him but here is the man who basically

1:01:51corrupted him and destroyed his life

1:01:53while also kind of destroying the entire

1:01:56Republic like that's an interesting

1:01:58story right

1:02:00you'd have to come up with a plausible

1:02:01scenario for him to turn evil which they

1:02:03as we find out in third movie they never

1:02:05they never I never I never buy any can I

1:02:08never buy in turning evil one reason for

1:02:10Anakin to like start off as a sweet

1:02:11little boy

1:02:12I and somehow because you know they they

1:02:15never come up with any reason for him to

1:02:17be evil you sure he's whiny and creepy

1:02:19but like happy and because Darth Vader

1:02:22is not Leary he dark there has dignity

1:02:25Anakin has no dignity and how do you go

1:02:26like this no there's no path is no

1:02:28connecting between A&B it's just like he

1:02:30swept along by the script in a certain

1:02:32point they put him in the mask name

1:02:33anyway that's it so facile is the thing

1:02:35with the whole like when he had the

1:02:37political discussion with Padma about

1:02:39like someone should be in charge just

1:02:41tell everyone what to do

1:02:43yeah maybe not me but someone John I

1:02:45don't really believe that little bit and

1:02:50that person would decide what to do and

1:02:52that would work very well is it like why

1:02:54would she even like again this is

1:02:56supposed to be attractive who having a

1:02:57political discussions the politics right

1:02:59she's been a senator she's ruled the

1:03:01planet he must seem like the dumbest

1:03:03most night you wearing creepy

1:03:05uninteresting like they're there should

1:03:07be no attraction between these people

1:03:08and yet on the other hand the extent of

1:03:11her political savvy is to put jar jar

1:03:14and charged in our stead

1:03:16so he's newly elected representatives to

1:03:19maybe she didn't really put a whole lot

1:03:20of thought into this

1:03:22the I think some of the core problems

1:03:24with Emma can stem from and with with

1:03:27Palpatine stem from two decisions made

1:03:29in the first movie which we talked about

1:03:31a little bit which is one probably

1:03:33having a meeting

1:03:34Anakin Skywalker as a little kid is part

1:03:37of the problem because it forced them to

1:03:39read connell sorts of things about when

1:03:40i met your father he was a great pilot

1:03:42and things like that so he's a kid pilot

1:03:44ok I i think that was a mistake and if

1:03:46we had met him a little bit later

1:03:47probably would have made more sense in

1:03:48that story arc might have that I you

1:03:51know it's harmed by the faculty meeting

1:03:53as a little kid and then the other thing

1:03:54is this decision to make

1:03:55Palpatine's rise and his evilness sort

1:03:57of like secret which I guess the idea

1:04:00there as well it's going to be a real

1:04:01twist when you realize he's the bad guy

1:04:03but you know that's it's not and you

1:04:07miss you miss actually seeing him

1:04:10pulling the strings behind the scenes

1:04:11more overtly because we still can tell

1:04:14that it's him but yet he's sidelined it

1:04:17makes it maybe I look even more

1:04:18incompetent because it's likely we spent

1:04:20the first movie fine pretend pretend you

1:04:22didn't know until the end of the first

1:04:23movie the second movie everybody knows

1:04:24everybody knows accepted

1:04:26nice the giant just look stupid and

1:04:28incompetent and not because they're like

1:04:29decadent lazy like that's the story they

1:04:31want to tell they want to snuggle the

1:04:33Jedi had become you know that they had

1:04:35lost their their way or whatever on the

1:04:37dark side is clouding their jobs they've

1:04:39stopped doing lightsaber battles they've

1:04:41been sucked into trade negotiations they

1:04:43just come off a stupid instead like

1:04:44that's that there is a better movie in

1:04:46there you could say about how you know

1:04:48this was the decadent world and the Jedi

1:04:49have lost lost their vision of what

1:04:51they're supposed to be doing but instead

1:04:53you see a bunch of sort of incompetent

1:04:56sort of timid not very smart not very

1:04:59powerful Jedi making bad decisions that

1:05:01it's not because they're decadent or

1:05:02because there's some kind of you know

1:05:04that they've been blinded by their own

1:05:06arrogance none of that is there they're

1:05:07just kinda like Kobe door stupid

1:05:09yeah you are you deserved it three

1:05:11killed off there's an early line for

1:05:13mace windu where he says Dooku was once

1:05:15a Jedi he couldn't assassinate anyone

1:05:17that's not how foolish you are but so is

1:05:22turning to the darkside not a thing yet

1:05:23I mean I haven't read a whole lot of the

1:05:25extended universe talk about this if in

1:05:29episode one

1:05:30yeah but they don't explain why he'd let

1:05:32him like how do you become a former Jedi

1:05:34yeah he retired he retires disappeared

1:05:38test no he's known because he's a leader

1:05:40of the separatists we formed attachments

1:05:42and that's really the problem after the

1:05:47first movie when they established Anakin

1:05:49has more or less lovable well-adjusted

1:05:51nice little kid who happens to be a

1:05:54slave and let's not do really talked

1:05:55about that once you've started him off

1:05:57on that foot it's very difficult to get

1:06:00him into a position where he becomes

1:06:02Darth Vader if you had started them off

1:06:04as like a street kid who is the member

1:06:06of like a street gang and had to live

1:06:08you know a tough life and learn that

1:06:10might equals right like 30 it's it's so

1:06:13very difficult no matter what happens

1:06:15fine you use someone cheats on you think

1:06:17all the Jedi betrayed you were ever to

1:06:18extend that into ok well now i have to

1:06:20kill all the Jedi an entire galaxy you

1:06:22have to be like mad with power power

1:06:24crazy you have to believe that power is

1:06:26the only thing that's important you know

1:06:27what you have to do I don't want to get

1:06:30too much into episode three things but

1:06:31once you start off as a cute little kid

1:06:34it's super hard to get him into darth

1:06:36vader and they don't even really make an

1:06:38attempt at it

1:06:38this movie that is making wine and they

1:06:40say well if you take whiny and write

1:06:43raise it to a large exponential power

1:06:45equals darth vader and it doesn't we

1:06:47know the Darth Vader was the whiniest of

1:06:49all the villains yeah if you raise the

1:06:51large power just as more whining this is

1:06:53the problem i have with Anakin in this

1:06:55movie is that we've been told throughout

1:06:57the first trilogy that you know he he

1:06:59was heroic

1:07:00yes and so you expect to see somewhere

1:07:02along the course of this film him

1:07:04perform some sort of heroic deed or act

1:07:06in a heroic fashion and he doesn't he's

1:07:08basically a knob from start to finish

1:07:11no he doesn't do anything he does very

1:07:13little of any agency whatsoever i mean

1:07:14even if you if you add in the last movie

1:07:16his heroic action there was accidentally

1:07:20point out the spit shipwright like in

1:07:22terms of episode two

1:07:23there's not much that he does in here

1:07:25that is active period

1:07:28other than the other than the fight

1:07:29scenes yeah he jumps off of a a speeder

1:07:32the accidental jetta even the fight

1:07:35scenes are always fight scenes where

1:07:36other people are like anakin no don't

1:07:38know

1:07:39ok he just got thrown against a wall he

1:07:41killed all those sand people what else

1:07:43you want from him kill some sandpaper I

1:07:44killed them all the travel by refugee

1:07:47transport we never see that we covered

1:07:48that earlier than we do see them we do

1:07:50see them in there briefly in their

1:07:52travel by refugee and as usual Padma is

1:07:55wearing some kind of shiny copper

1:07:57headpiece weird hair stuff yes which is

1:07:59exactly what you expect to see on

1:08:01refugees certainly not a senator or a

1:08:04queen definitely not to be drawn

1:08:05attention to refugees love that stuff

1:08:08also would anybody who is not a Padawan

1:08:11where a rat tail by choice in this

1:08:13universe that's a good point to yet we

1:08:15know she knows how to dress down she did

1:08:17it all through the first movie that's

1:08:19right at least Anakin he sort of looks

1:08:21the part he's got like his his his Jedi

1:08:24poncho on it looks like you just woke up

1:08:27in the gutter outside of the space

1:08:29peanuts and beer and he could be a

1:08:31refugee apart from the rat tail but

1:08:33padme's got her usual 50 pounds of junk

1:08:37in her hair and it's just absurd you

1:08:39think she's slumming you can we talk

1:08:41about the droid racism that seems

1:08:43rampant in these movies and we aren't

1:08:46you just once they go up and pick up

1:08:48some food now it is just wants to pick

1:08:51up some

1:08:51food from like like maybe the bar you

1:08:53don't want droids because like that's a

1:08:55particular environment but he just wants

1:08:57to go get food and bring it back to them

1:08:58and the droid who's serving was gotta

1:09:00give him enough no no get out of here no

1:09:02droid seat

1:09:03let's pick up the food i mean the joint

1:09:05can't even heat right like that's the

1:09:07worst part is like I'm not going to eat

1:09:08them myself

1:09:09you can I am a droid who understands

1:09:12they do the unconscionable in and the

1:09:14lead-up to this scene they kind of bag

1:09:16on r2 they're walking towards the ship

1:09:18and they're talking about how they're

1:09:19scared and the responses at least we

1:09:21have our two haha yeah these are the

1:09:24jokes folks no seriously at least we

1:09:26have our two is like the most heroic

1:09:27character that we have in this entire

1:09:29movie thank God

1:09:30well that's like me saying at least I

1:09:31have my gps unit in my car I mean by GPS

1:09:35unit can fly it has lasers but it's

1:09:37still basically just something to move

1:09:40my car around right you gps stands a

1:09:42better chance of protecting you in a

1:09:44dark room from space enemies another

1:09:45girl sweet

1:09:46this is true and then here we are it's

1:09:49the alien diner where where we meet the

1:09:51weird diner alien who knows everything

1:09:53there is to know about darts

1:09:56oh yeah let's buy the OneNote having the

1:09:58scene because again the writing i was

1:10:00doing is right now things is he says the

1:10:02word clear no nurs clutter is like

1:10:04cloning those clients fellas pretty good

1:10:07one likes to get it like it suddenly

1:10:09turns into dora like you have to repeat

1:10:11the same word that Cano's the best

1:10:13cloners the clone a club we get it there

1:10:16could we understand it's the title of

1:10:18the movie like I don't understand what

1:10:19that scene was there i don't understand

1:10:21the other than Lucas obsession with the

1:10:23fifties that character we don't care

1:10:25about he's not interesting like at this

1:10:27point also wrote my notes too many

1:10:28characters too many planets to me it's

1:10:31just too many moving parts you maestro

1:10:33couldn't get these parts fit together

1:10:34into a cohesive whole and Lucas is not a

1:10:37maestro my notes say cloners like that

1:10:39means anything but your door references

1:10:43is a good is it is a good one John

1:10:45because who do we ask for help when we

1:10:47don't know which way to go

1:10:48say map say map oh wait they took the

1:10:51planet out of the map we can't say map

1:10:53I thought it was really weird that all

1:10:56the Jedi younglings were all exactly the

1:10:58same height hello younglings

1:11:00will this be a good spot to have some

1:11:01aliens like they had the one red-faced

1:11:03alien but they

1:11:04have we know there's ton of weird shapes

1:11:06or an extra tall alien or an extra short

1:11:09yeah they're all kids they're all just

1:11:10Lucas's me everything you did the

1:11:12readers kids younglings are shooting

1:11:15younglings classes at the Jedi school

1:11:17are sorted by height you know everybody

1:11:20chlorines are usually present in a

1:11:21certain body type so depending on when

1:11:24they manifest it's true i should i

1:11:25should point out that that a beloved

1:11:27podcast of mine and john's the flophouse

1:11:30did an episode about episode 2 and the

1:11:32only thing I remember I wanted to

1:11:33mention from their episode about this

1:11:35movie is the point that many of the

1:11:38words used in this movie are English

1:11:40words and occasionally a word will be

1:11:42changed for no apparent reason other

1:11:44than to make it seem alien e so we could

1:11:46call these people kids or children but

1:11:48no their younglings yuengling is a

1:11:50redundant word space children young

1:11:54means one thing and this suffix Ling

1:11:56just means a young version of that young

1:11:59young man doing anything

1:12:01what's up young space space children

1:12:04come on

1:12:04word up my youngs the whole bit with the

1:12:07map is pretty great because it's like

1:12:08not only has it been you know the the

1:12:10map has been erased

1:12:11I like the idea first of all that it

1:12:13should be that the planet should be

1:12:14south of another planet that

1:12:16particularly struck record be single

1:12:19active true north

1:12:20yeah its three-dimensional he knows

1:12:22exactly where the planet is supposed to

1:12:24be Kristen why do you not go there they

1:12:27have spaceships but it and he's like

1:12:29legitimately I just can't figure this

1:12:30one out

1:12:31yeah I know but that was like what was

1:12:33the point of having that scene in the

1:12:34movie to show that all we want is really

1:12:36really really stupid like he got no new

1:12:39information is it it's not there

1:12:42it looks like it's been erased he

1:12:44already told them gravity is point like

1:12:46it's not even like a CSI scene where

1:12:47they figure out like something by using

1:12:49computers

1:12:50I don't under the scenes in this movie

1:12:51that just don't need to be there at all

1:12:54and it's someone thought was a really

1:12:56great idea like oh that the mind of a

1:12:58child is going to tell us some insight

1:13:00now

1:13:00nope he's gonna tell you exactly 13

1:13:02year-old know and by doing that he will

1:13:04make you appear dumber than

1:13:06three-year-old because you are it does

1:13:08give a chance for you to slag and by

1:13:10saying he's lost a planet that I was

1:13:11impressed by the efficiency of their

1:13:13library system we just have to say the

1:13:14name of a planet say it's a Kamino

1:13:17and they can immediately say that

1:13:19doesn't exist now we're asking how it's

1:13:21spelled the library was one of the few

1:13:23sort of lazy visual design because the

1:13:26visual design these movies like the

1:13:27ships and everything is not I i think

1:13:28it's reasonably good but the library

1:13:30they said how about we have big walls

1:13:32like a lineup book spines yeah that

1:13:34reads his library i'm pretty sure that

1:13:35the visual design of this movie because

1:13:37the whole thing that made the first

1:13:38trilogy cool was that it was lived in

1:13:40this landspeeders look call me that

1:13:43again this is supposed to be like the

1:13:44guilty want to give them license to go

1:13:46with I'm just saying like a library

1:13:48having light up book spines that is too

1:13:50lazy

1:13:50sorry do I think we go back to New

1:13:52briefly and we meet then there's the new

1:13:55queen who is in the same it's like they

1:13:57get to reuse the sets and they got the

1:13:59guy with the with the goatee and it's

1:14:01full of a planet full of old people and

1:14:03old stuff and of course they were ruled

1:14:04by gun girls

1:14:06yeah don't be an Anakin Skywalker yeah

1:14:11creepy i like when they're walking when

1:14:13they're walking down the walkway and

1:14:14have some more sterling dialogue like I

1:14:16agree i think the Republic needs you I'm

1:14:18glad you chose to serve and seen thank

1:14:21you for like thank you for expressing

1:14:22those sentiments in such a dry boring

1:14:25fashion is this where your boat is John

1:14:27reason I think it's somewhere around

1:14:28here like they're talking about like she

1:14:31says that she wasn't in the legislative

1:14:33use and she wanted to go in the Senate

1:14:35and additives like yes i agree i think

1:14:38the Republic needs you

1:14:39I was glad you chose to serve end of

1:14:41seeing like that's it that that's it

1:14:43said it sounds like an important word

1:14:46i'm actually really thinking about the

1:14:47new political system now

1:14:50yeah she said I wasn't the youngest

1:14:52queen ever elected so there were younger

1:14:55Queens that her and they might never

1:14:58have Kings I think this is a planet

1:15:01that's always ruled by young teenage

1:15:03girls

1:15:04yes I green if I mean that the plan also

1:15:07fell apart too so i would like to

1:15:09believe that that that they have decided

1:15:11that the wave for them to rule without

1:15:13being uncovered by up like political

1:15:16dealings and things is having an

1:15:17innocent a preteen girl sit on the

1:15:20throne for a while and not do much

1:15:22because there's the guy with the goatee

1:15:24there's one scene where they tried to

1:15:25establish the sort of tension in the

1:15:28romantic relationship is sort of a

1:15:30sparring type thing

1:15:31like a han Leia thing where they're like

1:15:32I think we should go for the lake

1:15:33country for security and they have this

1:15:35disagreement or whatever and again

1:15:36everything that everything in this movie

1:15:38I can put up on the big board saying I

1:15:41can see what they're trying to do in the

1:15:43scene they're trying to make this

1:15:44relationship like it you know they're

1:15:46attracted to each other but they also

1:15:48have a little bit of witty verbal

1:15:49sparring is sparring is a form of

1:15:51flirting or whatever and it totally

1:15:52falls on its face it does not work the

1:15:55writing is bad does not make me think

1:15:56any of the characters are likable or

1:15:58interesting or clever in any way they

1:16:01just it makes and look more petulant it

1:16:03makes her look stupid for tolerating his

1:16:05petulance and it just it totally fails

1:16:08and like I i wish i could take all these

1:16:10scenes like pin them up and say this

1:16:13scene was supposed to this and didn't

1:16:14seem as opposed to this and didn't and I

1:16:16don't know what's worse the seams with a

1:16:17talk and exposition and sit on couches

1:16:19or the scenes where you can tell what

1:16:21they're trying to do and they totally

1:16:23family just move on to like well I guess

1:16:25we didn't pull it off next scene please

1:16:26let nothing be done we'll just take it

1:16:29as it is and hope you forget camino

1:16:31llego tu camino it's very rainy this is

1:16:33a planet that's rainy there's lots of

1:16:34water

1:16:35they're also cloners they're here

1:16:37they're cloners big cloners lots of

1:16:39green identically tall implausibly

1:16:41skinny long-necked yes camino aliens are

1:16:44these tall skinny white aliens in these

1:16:47in these long white corridors i remember

1:16:51watching this movie the first time in

1:16:52thinking I can i really like the look

1:16:54and the art direction of the Camino

1:16:57scenes that it's rainy it's kind of

1:16:59atmospheric it's this very like 2001

1:17:02almost or some of the scenes in in the

1:17:05original trilogy that it's the kind of

1:17:07like all white aesthetic and I thought

1:17:09the aliens were interesting and strange

1:17:11and they have strange voices and I godly

1:17:14never look like they belong in the scene

1:17:16to me

1:17:16yeah yeah always it was the humans the

1:17:19humans who don't look like they're

1:17:20standing on anything there they're not

1:17:21even planted on ya just in the green

1:17:23screen it's a pleasant cartoon to watch

1:17:25yes I liked it originally but but

1:17:29watching it back this time I was like oh

1:17:30it's really not that good i was hoping

1:17:32that this would be the thing that I

1:17:34could be like oh yeah the white

1:17:36long-necked aliens on the rain planet

1:17:38that will be fine at like the big waves

1:17:40and the big creature that the guys

1:17:42riding on the back up

1:17:42I like to see the movie featuring those

1:17:44guys out of like Avatar before avatar

1:17:46and I think the idea of the planet where

1:17:48it's rainy and dark all-time in their

1:17:49gigantic waves is moody and atmosphere

1:17:51gets to bed it happen to be you know you

1:17:53got trapped in the middle of episode 2

1:17:54and can i say that obi-wan is among his

1:17:57things that he's not skillful at playing

1:17:59along

1:18:00not yet you still fighting there's a

1:18:01whole lot of like yeah well we expected

1:18:04you want you expected me oh yes yes you

1:18:06did

1:18:07we hope you'll enjoy the army you

1:18:09ordered the the re oh yeah oh yeah the

1:18:12are you going on about the army yes oh

1:18:14yes please tell me who ordered that army

1:18:17just to refresh my memory of these

1:18:19cloners are very not very careful this

1:18:21must be like oh you would think they'd

1:18:23be a little bit more careful decisions

1:18:24but like it's the problem we're talking

1:18:26about the Anakin not being a hero

1:18:27what does obi-wan do this heroic he sent

1:18:29here to do something heroic like go

1:18:31figure out find this bounty hunter

1:18:32whatever find him

1:18:34how does obi-wan succeed in his mission

1:18:35through his coming through his skill

1:18:37through you know its cleverness to

1:18:39through his brute-force now he just

1:18:41Falls ass-backwards into it because the

1:18:43scripture says you some luck he shows I

1:18:45luck they put him in he does a bad job

1:18:48of hiding everything I may just he'll

1:18:49like what he didn't he wasn't here oh we

1:18:51didn't do anything heroic he was just

1:18:53there you could have you gonna send r2

1:18:54and r2 would have been as successful in

1:18:56this mission

1:18:56yeah it's true

1:19:00yeah except as long as they weren't

1:19:01centipedes around this is where i had to

1:19:03stop the first time by the way that yeah

1:19:04but we got to learn the secret of the

1:19:07stormtroopers which is that they're all

1:19:09Boba Fett's father

1:19:10no no no

1:19:14yeah so i have this later when that when

1:19:16we when we load up on stormtroopers but

1:19:18i can mention it now which is the clone

1:19:19troopers on one level it explains why

1:19:21store stormtroopers are so uniform and

1:19:24so lame because they're they've been

1:19:26engineered to follow orders and

1:19:28apparently the miss your target little

1:19:30things but I really don't like this red

1:19:31come I always always liked the fact that

1:19:33the storm troopers were you know scary

1:19:35shock troops for the Empire even though

1:19:37yeah they don't shoot as well and they

1:19:39killed their killed easily but here

1:19:41we've just backed it all out to being

1:19:42these kind of like genetically

1:19:44engineered in order to be pliable

1:19:47versions of Jango Fett well you have

1:19:51like the droid racism this is the clone

1:19:53racism because all right so they're

1:19:54genetically identical but so were twins

1:19:56that's why are we spoke this is the

1:19:58excusing the fact that like we're gonna

1:20:00kill these guys later but don't feel bad

1:20:02they're just clones they're absolutely a

1:20:03hundred percent you been engineered to

1:20:05followers and apply I know start

1:20:07seatbelt but they're just they're in

1:20:08there as human as any other human and

1:20:11it's not like I think the Empire

1:20:13archived on the Empire's evil and all

1:20:14that stuff but it's like in the movie

1:20:15this is done to excuse later the death

1:20:18of these things like that we don't care

1:20:19about like when and hops off the the

1:20:21thing and the clones were piloting their

1:20:22blow up that we don't linger on that

1:20:24it's like well they're just clones a

1:20:25million that's not a big deal and I

1:20:27think it's made worse it's made worse by

1:20:28the clone wars television series which

1:20:30is actually much better than any of

1:20:32these movies and that really humanizes

1:20:34the clones and shows what it's like to

1:20:36be cloned going up but like it's it's so

1:20:39terrible for me to see how they treat

1:20:41clones and it seems odd to me that we

1:20:43have to watch boba fett watch his father

1:20:45died later because he just ends up going

1:20:47into the same line of work as his father

1:20:49being a bounty hunter so it's not much

1:20:51of an origin story but it strikes me as

1:20:54odd that after his father's dead clones

1:20:57of his father are on every planet in the

1:21:00system

1:21:00yeah yeah they're not his dad but yeah

1:21:03they're the modified ones they're

1:21:05mentally they've been mentally

1:21:07handicapped isn't that what they say on

1:21:09communities that they've grown

1:21:10yeah they just been made compliant yeah

1:21:13but for the kid

1:21:15if you ever see a stormtrooper without

1:21:16his helmet on oh my god that's dad

1:21:19it looks like your dad well but but it

1:21:21looks like him too because he's also a

1:21:23clone of his dance is going to grow up

1:21:24to look exactly like his father that's

1:21:26why he's so messed up in here it comes

1:21:28it's it's not really his father it's his

1:21:30it's his brother it's his twin really

1:21:32its yeah that the clone thing when it

1:21:35really got to me was at the end where I

1:21:37realized hey we're supposed to be

1:21:39rooting for the Jedi who are willingly

1:21:40sending living beings who have been

1:21:43genetically engineered to be compliant

1:21:44into battle to be killed slaughtered by

1:21:48a bunch of robots and the clone wars TV

1:21:50series that relationship between the

1:21:52Jedi and the clones is like that tension

1:21:54is five kills me that the cartoon

1:21:57network show us so much more nuanced and

1:21:58interest in these than these

1:21:59multi-million dollar movies but the Jedi

1:22:02have a relationship with the leaders of

1:22:04the clone armies and I think I kind of

1:22:06read in the television series the Jedi

1:22:08feel kind of bad

1:22:10what about this whole were commanding

1:22:11you and we're in this together and

1:22:13they're like you could have done

1:22:14something like that in this movie to

1:22:16show the Jedi were uncomfortable with

1:22:17this that they had a relationship with

1:22:19them in battle that didn't treat them

1:22:20just like a machine that you can give

1:22:22orders to it because it kind of makes

1:22:23sense that the humans treat the droids

1:22:25just machines because they just believe

1:22:27there's no strong AI and I was one

1:22:28throwaway line in this movie that

1:22:29actually kind of liked they said well

1:22:31that machines that would think there

1:22:32wouldn't be any of us here I'm like hey

1:22:34that would be a blessing and B that's

1:22:35kind of a clever comment down AI but you

1:22:38know I've seen three c-3po and r2 and

1:22:40they actually seem like the thinking to

1:22:41me so maybe you should open your eyes

1:22:42you fought in the Clone Wars while the

1:22:44Clone Wars sound like they're really

1:22:45cool no actually it's just we made lots

1:22:47of photocopies and this one guy and made

1:22:50a giant army it was sort of like

1:22:52destroyed fighting drugs to be honest

1:22:53with you wasn't a big deal

1:22:55yeah and and then we ran them into the

1:22:56drugs yet because the droids is the

1:22:58excuse is like we don't care the first

1:22:59movie that the droids are dying and i

1:23:01will close vs towards don't you it's a

1:23:03kind of a wash right dad that they're

1:23:04all the same they died who came when i

1:23:06say fought in the Clone Wars what I mean

1:23:08mean is i SAT over here and watch that

1:23:11movie at that right yeah it's like very

1:23:15similar

1:23:15I know what you were saying to yourself

1:23:17when you saw how long this episode was

1:23:19wow that's a long episode of the

1:23:22uncomfortable i wonder if they manage to

1:23:24squeeze episode 2 into a single episode

1:23:27instead of doing it in two parts like

1:23:30they did with all of the other Star Wars

1:23:32movies

1:23:32well no that didn't happen

1:23:35join us next week for part two of our

1:23:38discussion of Star Wars Episode two