Roderick on the Line

Ep. 56: "We Paradise in Our Wake"

 

  [Music] [TS]

  hello hi John [TS]

  I'm Merlin hey doing good I thought I'd [TS]

  start the show off with the throat [TS]

  clearing hm-hm it's a little warm up [TS]

  just a warm-up just a taste of what's to [TS]

  come [TS]

  lots of throat-clearing it's this is the [TS]

  season [TS]

  well clearing and coughing are part of [TS]

  my mic extra communication level John as [TS]

  you know i'm not an allergist but I [TS]

  never had an allergy in my life until i [TS]

  moved to this God forsaken state i used [TS]

  to get sick [TS]

  knock on wood I used to get sick about [TS]

  three and a half times more often in [TS]

  Florida it was until i moved to [TS]

  California that I started waking up in [TS]

  the middle of the night [TS]

  sneezing sneezing and sneezing and I'm [TS]

  led to believe that where you live in [TS]

  the washington state area [TS]

  yeah it's very was not vernal what I [TS]

  call it Virdon Virdon Virdon if you [TS]

  could be colic it's both personality [TS]

  it's easy it's sneezy it's grumpy it's [TS]

  dopey now but the thing about it is that [TS]

  the bay area is that you have cat dander [TS]

  storms in there it's a lot of it's not [TS]

  visible to the naked eye but they can't [TS]

  all the people that own cats up in the [TS]

  sort of wine country and sausalito that [TS]

  cat dander just sweeps down over the bay [TS]

  you gotta take that I think it's called [TS]

  closing when you going with your real [TS]

  estate agent you have to show actually [TS]

  prefer that you bring a cat with you if [TS]

  you're moving into the wine country you [TS]

  need to show it going to show the tears [TS]

  it's like that movie green card [TS]

  yeah you show up with a cat on your [TS]

  shoulder with a little leash and they [TS]

  know that you're serious about living in [TS]

  in wine country little vest lot of [TS]

  animals have little vests here up you [TS]

  know they're closer to where you live [TS]

  they wear little leather vests at our if [TS]

  only it were a joke now you had a cat [TS]

  allergy as a child according to my [TS]

  research and do you did you shake that [TS]

  or do you still are you still exposed to [TS]

  dander and it causes problems [TS]

  well the problem is that i love cats [TS]

  and it really precious angels then the [TS]

  car everyone is looking at angel would [TS]

  you look at that look at that look at [TS]

  him that thing is every cat is a shit [TS]

  yeah you know what I mean like there's [TS]

  nothing I've known some I've known them [TS]

  all [TS]

  I'm not every kind of cat and they're [TS]

  all shits yeah if they were six feet [TS]

  tall [TS]

  we would be fucked oh absolutely like [TS]

  you get a dog dogs [TS]

  well we shouldn't get into the animal [TS]

  thing too much because we certainly have [TS]

  respect as animus we have this respect [TS]

  for all creatures and that's right [TS]

  that's right but I mean I honestly [TS]

  believe that most dogs like if you fell [TS]

  down and we're crippled and couldn't get [TS]

  to a phone [TS]

  they would do everything in their power [TS]

  to try and help you they would bring you [TS]

  a beverage they would they would try [TS]

  with their little sweet pause trying [TS]

  call and I really think cats are [TS]

  literally just waiting to nibble on your [TS]

  toes [TS]

  well yeah if you fell down and couldn't [TS]

  get up account with your face they do it [TS]

  all the time it happens constantly the [TS]

  more catchy get that dander accumulates [TS]

  yeah i think they have cat meetings and [TS]

  they're just waiting they're waiting for [TS]

  an opportunity is one scoop you know [TS]

  this business about the cat I got about [TS]

  cat poop [TS]

  yeah yeah I do i do I it i hope that I'm [TS]

  not gonna I hope that's not it turns out [TS]

  because it really comports with my own [TS]

  experience who but in any case I decided [TS]

  I could not have cats so anymore what I [TS]

  had a a catch right up here on my porch [TS]

  and I felt madly in love with him he was [TS]

  a wonderful guy and he was killed by a [TS]

  car and it was devastating to me and [TS]

  then I got us that I got another cat [TS]

  trying to fill the void in my heart and [TS]

  madcap was a terrible person [TS]

  yeah that cat had had just had it had a [TS]

  lot of issues but it as you know I'm not [TS]

  one to forgive a person or cat being an [TS]

  asshole just because they have issues [TS]

  when you have a lot of tolerance for for [TS]

  people of all kinds including animals [TS]

  but I think you also your it seems like [TS]

  if you've got a reason you're gonna [TS]

  you're gonna look out of the corner of [TS]

  your eye when that comes around [TS]

  well it's a bit disabilities this whole [TS]

  business of like oh the cat is issues [TS]

  i'm like right well we all have issues [TS]

  you solve your fucking issues cat I gave [TS]

  that got a lot of opportunities to solve [TS]

  her issues [TS]

  I don't want to be gender-specific I [TS]

  don't want to be gender normative who [TS]

  but but this cat had some issues I don't [TS]

  think that they aren't necessarily [TS]

  gender related issues so much so hard to [TS]

  tell because they're I mean it really is [TS]

  it's like somebody with a variety of [TS]

  physical problems and you kind of don't [TS]

  know where to begin is up with cats see [TS]

  the thing is cats are people who like [TS]

  cats say things like you know they are [TS]

  independent were they are aloof war and [TS]

  I think with much respect to the the [TS]

  animal companions out there I i think [TS]

  they come up with a lot of fucking [TS]

  bullshit excuses for having for having a [TS]

  really dreadful and potentially evil [TS]

  animal in the house [TS]

  yeah now independent and aloof who are [TS]

  great qualities especially a girlfriend [TS]

  or a manservant like if if you're like [TS]

  oh yeah my manservant is a little [TS]

  independent and aloof that's wonderful i [TS]

  think i don't i don't want a man so good [TS]

  i just a grocery store cashier keep [TS]

  grocery store cashier independent and [TS]

  aloof these are good qualities but in a [TS]

  thing that you are feeding and and [TS]

  cleaning up this shit that you want you [TS]

  want a little bit of love from that [TS]

  thing I mean this is the thing I'm going [TS]

  through with the with my daughter where [TS]

  it's like listen I'm cleaning up your [TS]

  shit still I want a little bit of love [TS]

  sometimes you just gotta sit on Daddy's [TS]

  lap sometimes just sit here and give [TS]

  daddy a hug [TS]

  whether you like it or not at least i [TS]

  got like fish you don't get anything [TS]

  from a goldfish but at least you know [TS]

  it's gonna die pretty soon you don't [TS]

  expect anything from a goldfish and [TS]

  frankly you know their machines to clean [TS]

  up their shit if there was some kind of [TS]

  filter but I could put in my house that [TS]

  cleaned up the cat shit and and clean to [TS]

  the air like scrub the air of cat dander [TS]

  I might have a better relationship with [TS]

  them anyway I gave this cat away to a [TS]

  friend and this friend has no problem at [TS]

  all [TS]

  he's a younger person has no problem at [TS]

  all with the cat bites your face [TS]

  he thinks it's hilarious I'm like great [TS]

  well you guys are a match made in heaven [TS]

  again I think they come up the [TS]

  cat-people god bless them [TS]

  I think they come up with every excuse [TS]

  in the world for for--why that animal is [TS]

  the way it is [TS]

  they have they have what [TS]

  is essentially a the kind of animal that [TS]

  really should be outside hunting things [TS]

  and being hunted in many cases and let [TS]

  me just don't stipulate these are moving [TS]

  onto the sweet precious angels there's [TS]

  no question about it but for example I [TS]

  mean many of the cats have no more dicks [TS]

  and my my mom had a very dear friend and [TS]

  I always dreaded going to her house for [TS]

  fruit for two reasons letters we're [TS]

  going to get some letters you know [TS]

  you're going to your moms I'm not gonna [TS]

  open because I dander tender and you can [TS]

  just you just run the letter under your [TS]

  nose and your like ammonia oh my god the [TS]

  ammonia I got a couple things here first [TS]

  of all this lady she had let's say it [TS]

  and I don't want to be ping-pong she had [TS]

  a siamese cat [TS]

  oh there's no sign of these cats not a [TS]

  dick pic all girls but so there's two [TS]

  reasons and this is the thing this isn't [TS]

  I don't want to get into the pit bull [TS]

  thing that upsets people but you know [TS]

  what is your letters from wilwheaton [TS]

  what we got pitbull always got one of [TS]

  those pit bull dogs some kind of dog [TS]

  that some kind of dog that is like it [TS]

  fifty percent of the people in the world [TS]

  look at the dog and say oh this is a dog [TS]

  that was bred to grab humans by the neck [TS]

  and shake them until they're dead who [TS]

  and then fifty percent of the people in [TS]

  the world are like this is an animal [TS]

  that was bred to love this is a [TS]

  companion and a loving like a loving [TS]

  sweet child care animal this is an [TS]

  animal i would trust my newborn baby [TS]

  with and these fifty percent but the one [TS]

  half of the people and the other half [TS]

  the people are never going to see I 250 [TS]

  / centers and wil wheaton is in the at [TS]

  if you if you believe his Twitter feed [TS]

  if you follow his twitter feet he you [TS]

  know he is a he is a pit bull owner and [TS]

  someone who is indeed this is a this is [TS]

  a love bug [TS]

  this animal is this is murderous combat [TS]

  animal literal killing machine it is a [TS]

  love bug and as and a woman's and a [TS]

  newbie dupe of digits [TS]

  switches and he's a gooz and he's you [TS]

  know he will write some will write some [TS]

  blog posts as you know which is the new [TS]

  over which is the new friendship and [TS]

  what it is the day right sit here [TS]

  writing blog posts that say if you don't [TS]

  think my Williams is a noble bottom so [TS]

  then you are a you are an animal and a [TS]

  and hateful life is hard for former [TS]

  child actors but you know I'm just [TS]

  thinking if there were somebody who is [TS]

  going to be a drug lord you wouldn't [TS]

  suspect while we Minds my senses most of [TS]

  the people who own pit bulls don't don't [TS]

  fully realize what they're there for [TS]

  or maybe maybe they like that again me [TS]

  I'm just saying maybe he has a lot of [TS]

  squeak in his palatial i'm guessing [TS]

  Beverly Hills house I told you the story [TS]

  you know when we moved in when we put my [TS]

  mom bought her house we moved in there [TS]

  the guy next door was kind of a [TS]

  legendary drug dealer in the [TS]

  neighborhood and that's a you know they [TS]

  had a big house every day of school name [TS]

  what was his name you know what to say [TS]

  but I mean it did you have like a carlos [TS]

  the jackal kind of name always being was [TS]

  like Terrence Terrence but uh but their [TS]

  latest Terrance this is one of these [TS]

  neighborhoods where the houses are a [TS]

  hundred years old they're big old houses [TS]

  the neighborhood fell into decline in [TS]

  the forties and fifties and then there [TS]

  was some redlining happening where you [TS]

  know you couldn't get loans in that [TS]

  neighborhood because there were too many [TS]

  blacks and then the neighborhood felt [TS]

  more into decline and then people [TS]

  started calling it a ghetto and then you [TS]

  really couldn't get a home improvement [TS]

  loan and you know it's the classic [TS]

  American story of how we how we make [TS]

  ghettos and then of course the gays move [TS]

  in the first the punk rockers move in [TS]

  the hardest move in and they they take [TS]

  over these houses and tournament to like [TS]

  party houses and then the gays move in [TS]

  and then they fit they fix up the houses [TS]

  enough that the white liberals decide it [TS]

  safe like the hip ones that gays are [TS]

  kind of the real estate version of a [TS]

  canary in a coma there with you know [TS]

  what they are they're like they're like [TS]

  the they're like the guy up bomb and [TS]

  star trek to four star trek 3 was a was [TS]

  head was the star trek or spot died and [TS]

  they sent down the it was what was that [TS]

  bomb climate [TS]

  really really embarrassed to say this [TS]

  was the genesis bomb the Genesis bummed [TS]

  it doesn't Spock anyone the spoilers but [TS]

  doesn't spot dyeing wrath of khan second [TS]

  one that's not what the whale and market [TS]

  I think spot datsun in the Genesis bomb [TS]

  one which i think is 34 good but then he [TS]

  comes back anyway I a spoiler alert [TS]

  Spock Spock isn't actually into your [TS]

  knowledge will Wheaton was not in that [TS]

  as far as I know can he may have been he [TS]

  may have had a he had a folding chair [TS]

  that said we'll many sat on the set [TS]

  waiting for them to call but the Genesis [TS]

  bomb but Genesis bomb is it you know [TS]

  it's a it's actually a component of the [TS]

  whole supertrain project there will be [TS]

  as Genesis bomb [TS]

  oh I hate to reveal myself i'm familiar [TS]

  with Kobayashi Maru i'm familiar with [TS]

  tribbles and like i said i dunno about [TS]

  the whales in moderate you could you [TS]

  just for an outsider could you give me a [TS]

  quick sense of what the Genesis bomb [TS]

  does have the Genesis bomb as far as I [TS]

  understood it was a it was a colonizing [TS]

  bomb where the you know the star treks [TS]

  would fly out and they'd find like dead [TS]

  planets and they would drop the Genesis [TS]

  bomb on it and it would create an [TS]

  atmosphere and then within the [TS]

  atmosphere things would start to grow it [TS]

  would happen very fast because of magic [TS]

  that is a really violent idea [TS]

  yeah so instead of going to Mars and [TS]

  sitting there like drinking your own p [TS]

  for a thousand years until you can drum [TS]

  up you know enough until until the [TS]

  mining pays for the construction of like [TS]

  a habitat you just fly over Mars you [TS]

  drop a Genesis bomb and then a virgin [TS]

  see happens it sweeps across you know [TS]

  it's like it's like if you drop it drop [TS]

  of food coloring and you been a water [TS]

  glass okay Shh [TS]

  and so the planet all of a sudden is [TS]

  like this incredible jungle hey Skippy [TS]

  skip right over living in a bubble and [TS]

  dealing with hydroponics small robots [TS]

  and go straight into condos go straight [TS]

  into like holy cats this place is like [TS]

  it's like Hawaii the whole planet turns [TS]

  to Hawaii basically to him anyway so [TS]

  Genesis bomb was I talking about well [TS]

  you're talking about the gays being the [TS]

  punk as the train I want some answers [TS]

  kazar Genesis bombs for ghettos and a [TS]

  pretty good you drop a couple you drop [TS]

  like a like a young crafty handicraft e [TS]

  a couple of days into into a [TS]

  neighborhood and they fix up their house [TS]

  and then all of a sudden it's like the [TS]

  house next door gets fixed up and then [TS]

  the house down the block gets fixed up [TS]

  and then people like me move it and [TS]

  they're like wow this neighborhood seems [TS]

  really inexpensive for how cool these [TS]

  houses are and then we're fixing up our [TS]

  houses and pretty soon you know eight [TS]

  years later all the little black ladies [TS]

  that had lived there for 50 years can't [TS]

  pay their property taxes anymore because [TS]

  the neighborhood has become like [TS]

  expensive who and then they are driven [TS]

  out by taxes to live further out live [TS]

  out in the suburbs which in the fifties [TS]

  were where people move to escape the [TS]

  inner city it's a constant H it's a [TS]

  constant churning of the American [TS]

  turning but so anyway my next-door [TS]

  neighbor was a drug dealer and everybody [TS]

  in the neighborhood when we when we [TS]

  moved in we were the first white people [TS]

  that to move on to our block and [TS]

  everybody in the neighborhood was like [TS]

  oh yeah you're living next to Terrence [TS]

  he's a he's a he's a bad actor and he [TS]

  walked he walked with a cane because he [TS]

  shot at Cobbs and so he walked with a [TS]

  cane but he was not much older than I [TS]

  was and he lived in this house because [TS]

  the heat his wife had inherited the [TS]

  house from her father who still lived in [TS]

  an attic room or something like that but [TS]

  anyway he kept his stash and and we [TS]

  became good friends but he kept his [TS]

  stash in an upstairs bedroom that had a [TS]

  little like covered porch out the window [TS]

  where he kept a female pit bull chained [TS]

  on a 6-foot chain and she lived on the [TS]

  roof [TS]

  oh and the roof was covered with shit [TS]

  because she never went off and she not [TS]

  wasn't on the 6-foot chain [TS]

  and as you can imagine this full-grown [TS]

  female pitbull was furious she was so [TS]

  mad and lets it or up a lot of angry [TS]

  living on a poop field roof [TS]

  you good on a six foot chase but is not [TS]

  a lot of foot and I don't know what I [TS]

  don't know whether he'll be periodically [TS]

  opened the window and threw a couple of [TS]

  cheeseburgers out there but but he kept [TS]

  his drugs in that room so this was his [TS]

  strategy to keep people from jumping up [TS]

  on the roof and then breaking into the [TS]

  house [TS]

  who was he just kept this dog chained up [TS]

  on the roof well of course the roof [TS]

  where she lived was I level and 15 feet [TS]

  away from my kitchen window so every [TS]

  time I would come come to the sink to [TS]

  wash a cup like I'm eyeball-to-eyeball [TS]

  with this this the the world's angriest [TS]

  dog you know and she's just like her [TS]

  role right you're probably the closest [TS]

  thing she has to a friend touch [TS]

  it's just didn't snap didn't say just [TS]

  spill everywhere and yeah maybe she's [TS]

  trying to you know to maybe say no she [TS]

  don't like 18 she definitely wants to [TS]

  kill you but that was probably closest [TS]

  thing that dog had to a relationship and [TS]

  I would tried speaks soothingly to her [TS]

  but you know the humane society on the [TS]

  list of city agencies i was going to [TS]

  call about Terrence the Humane Society [TS]

  was like six down the list after the DEA [TS]

  and the and everything but anyway we [TS]

  reached a a bar when we had a reproach [TS]

  but the two of us was like hey man how's [TS]

  it going you know i am looking the other [TS]

  way about you while you basically run a [TS]

  crack house here as long as we assume we [TS]

  assume a bond of friendship over [TS]

  a in our little corner of the [TS]

  neighborhood this is how this is how [TS]

  urban and and in some cases suburban [TS]

  America should work we don't we don't [TS]

  have to like each other we don't have to [TS]

  get along with every little thing we [TS]

  have to overlook these little things and [TS]

  how about the laundry keep up the lawn [TS]

  he did not keep up the lawn and also he [TS]

  had five kids living there with him [TS]

  cheese so the kids were great and I [TS]

  actually you know like to start with his [TS]

  progeny r with a regular okay and I got [TS]

  you know I kind of the kids and i had a [TS]

  good had a good relationship and and the [TS]

  fact about him was that at my trained [TS]

  eye never detected that he used drugs of [TS]

  any kind [TS]

  he didn't even seem stoned on pot I [TS]

  think he was probably a pretty good [TS]

  businessman who he did not dip into his [TS]

  so and so he kept the level of crack [TS]

  zombies in the neighborhood down to a [TS]

  dull roar like he didn't tolerate it he [TS]

  did not run a crack house in the sense [TS]

  of like zombies and it was like a crack [TS]

  warehouse [TS]

  it was a crack where it was a crack [TS]

  distribution center see I learned this I [TS]

  learned this from the wire and because [TS]

  they're almost everything i know about [TS]

  urban America I learned from watching a [TS]

  television show but the idea there is [TS]

  you you try and keep things [TS]

  compartmentalized at both material level [TS]

  and a personal level you want to provide [TS]

  it as much this is why this is [TS]

  interesting to me that a drug lord will [TS]

  keep that in the place where he resided [TS]

  that seems that seems you know like this [TS]

  you know Seattle's kind of this and of [TS]

  course at this time this neighborhood [TS]

  was let us say poorly monitored by the [TS]

  local police think what they call [TS]

  something to get out your you're saying [TS]

  a lot to the people who live there [TS]

  you're basically saying it's a it's a [TS]

  it's a blank check for problems [TS]

  yeah yeah whatever that ghetto I mean [TS]

  what with the neighborhood it was a [TS]

  neighborhood [TS]

  I like a lot I mean there's the ghettos [TS]

  where all the original housing have been [TS]

  torn down and replaced with housing [TS]

  projects where none of the people feel [TS]

  any connection to the neighborhood or [TS]

  two where they live in Seattle though [TS]

  the word ghetto doesn't really apply [TS]

  because these were single-family homes [TS]

  where people had lived at raise their [TS]

  children and where you know had lived [TS]

  for a whole generation or sometimes two [TS]

  or three generations so there was a [TS]

  tremendous [TS]

  amount of house pride in the [TS]

  neighborhood the problem was that they [TS]

  were poor so and and they couldn't get [TS]

  loans or they could you know that it was [TS]

  a it was the classic old houses they're [TS]

  gonna need some help [TS]

  yeah we need we need that we needed a [TS]

  new roof we need new sightings we just [TS]

  got scoop on it and and they would go to [TS]

  their local you know and they would say [TS]

  look I own my home and I just need a [TS]

  home improvement loan and maybe like me [TS]

  not in that neighborhood sorry who [TS]

  and so the rules would get shitty and [TS]

  the gutters would fall and and so as you [TS]

  drove through the neighborhood [TS]

  you would think this is rough and there [TS]

  are lots of teenage boys standing on the [TS]

  street smoking cigarettes but in fact [TS]

  you get to know the people and it's like [TS]

  this is not this is not again no this is [TS]

  a poor neighborhood and it's a poor [TS]

  neighborhood where the poorness is [TS]

  exacerbated by institutionalized racism [TS]

  you know for sure there's no other way [TS]

  to put it but so this neighborhood was [TS]

  self-policing you know the little old [TS]

  ladies didn't let Terrence get out of [TS]

  hand because they all knew his mother [TS]

  you know they all knew him when he was a [TS]

  little kid so he'd keep growing up in [TS]

  that house everybody did this was the [TS]

  neighborhood Jimi Hendrix grew up in [TS]

  well like Jimi Hendrix's childhood home [TS]

  was two-and-a-half blocks away and [TS]

  everybody in the neighborhood that was [TS]

  50 years old all the 50-year old guys [TS]

  neighbor all-new Jimmy and played with [TS]

  him played first of all played you know [TS]

  the kickball with him and then they all [TS]

  had they'll play music with them you [TS]

  know you walk through that neighborhood [TS]

  with any guy that age maybe like I over [TS]

  this house that's where we used to jam [TS]

  after school and over here is where [TS]

  Jimmy you know like status first beer [TS]

  and you know everybody had stories but [TS]

  but so at entrance knew who are you how [TS]

  he fit into the neighborhood and [TS]

  everybody was afraid of him but he also [TS]

  knew that like you did there were [TS]

  certain lady didn't cross and and I'm [TS]

  stepping into it i'm stepping into this [TS]

  neighborhood as a guy who's lived in [TS]

  seattle for many years and who has [TS]

  family in seattle going back to eighteen [TS]

  eighty but I also i crossed madison [TS]

  street and went three blocks into the [TS]

  central district and all of a sudden [TS]

  as far as they're concerned I'm like [TS]

  well I'm the new guy you know I'm the [TS]

  white kid and what am i doing there and [TS]

  you know and i would try and explain my [TS]

  bona fides to everybody like oh no you [TS]

  couldn't have been you know my people [TS]

  have been in seattle since 1816 they're [TS]

  like we don't care I'll take it you had [TS]

  a tricorn hat you know what are you [TS]

  doing here what you like standing for [TS]

  their house in France well do you mean [TS]

  I'm down [TS]

  can we know I had what looked down the [TS]

  street and you are nothing if not down [TS]

  I'd be I'd be trying to fist bump [TS]

  everybody feeling fat albert dancing a [TS]

  little choppy walk [TS]

  I mean welcome to the neighborhood and [TS]

  everything but not so much with the fist [TS]

  pumping maybe you could just use keep [TS]

  that down to a dull roar but I it's been [TS]

  amazing to watch that neighborhood [TS]

  changing you know now my mom is one of [TS]

  the little old ladies that slip slip [TS]

  therefore she lived in that house now [TS]

  for 16 17 years who and she is one of [TS]

  the enforcers and there you know there [TS]

  are just a few houses left except for [TS]

  right across the street from my mom's [TS]

  house is still the the universal Church [TS]

  of God in Christ creation which is a a [TS]

  church in you know in a that's in an old [TS]

  mansion weather with the windows of kind [TS]

  of all been covered with the with [TS]

  plywood but they still have they still [TS]

  have a rousing church services in there [TS]

  twice a week [TS]

  wow so you know it's still I think if [TS]

  you were if you were a real estate [TS]

  person you would still drive through the [TS]

  neighborhood and say with it was in [TS]

  transition over but a boy it has to well [TS]

  it has transitioned and and the first [TS]

  transition the first major transition [TS]

  happened when Terrance set his house on [TS]

  fire and it burned hehe installed what [TS]

  was the story he installed an electronic [TS]

  security system but he had a friend [TS]

  installment and it shorted out at one [TS]

  point and center fire up through the [TS]

  stairwell and you know fire engine [TS]

  wiring for [TS]

  thing oh and that's exactly what [TS]

  happened he is friend installed a new [TS]

  security system on some knob-and-tube [TS]

  wiring and just you know I'm sure just [TS]

  like put some Elmer's glue on it are [TS]

  women so the house burned down our debt [TS]

  not burned down it just it was damaged [TS]

  by fire if our Terrence inoa you know I [TS]

  i would probably seek out people that I [TS]

  could pee in product where they would [TS]

  work it privately for me you know i'm [TS]

  saying i'm just like if you if you get a [TS]

  cracky electrician in an old house I [TS]

  mean that's kind of a recipe for [TS]

  disaster [TS]

  my feeling is the worst job although the [TS]

  the thing I i like to hear about the [TS]

  least is when I when I know someone is a [TS]

  crack it and it turns out they're also a [TS]

  locksmith that's a bad one [TS]

  what a terrible combination that's a bad [TS]

  job for any drug addict to have and I [TS]

  don't mean bad for them i mean bad for [TS]

  society [TS]

  I want my locksmiths if there's one job [TS]

  I want I want to walk in and see like a [TS]

  Christian fish on the wall or you know [TS]

  where a letter to see what you want to [TS]

  be somewhat he's very tidy and maybe a [TS]

  little bit taciturn super ethical one [TS]

  you want to use a lot a lot of questions [TS]

  like like like well if tsa people were [TS]

  competent like is somebody somebody [TS]

  who's going to ask you some questions [TS]

  like when I came to Seattle they notice [TS]

  my driver's license was expiring soon [TS]

  I appreciate that i don't like when [TS]

  people touch my balls but i do like it [TS]

  when their job is to notice things like [TS]

  that and they do notice that in that [TS]

  instance you get somebody pulls up in a [TS]

  well in a well-maintained vehicle it [TS]

  says that they're bonded whatever that [TS]

  means [TS]

  ya know how to have you ever considered [TS]

  becoming bonded i'm not really sure [TS]

  what's involved in that actually fish [TS]

  story about terrorists as it did they [TS]

  get the dog down or did it perish in the [TS]

  conflagration know that the dog was on a [TS]

  part of the house that didn't burn but [TS]

  they but they got their insurance little [TS]

  dog have any water damage or smoke [TS]

  damage there's some smoke damage and [TS]

  they they joined the exodus of people [TS]

  from that neighborhood who were moving [TS]

  out of seattle and down to renton where [TS]

  rents were still cheap where property [TS]

  taxes were still low and it was a it was [TS]

  a tremendous thing that happened between [TS]

  the nineties and now [TS]

  where what had would have been this core [TS]

  super-tight neighborhood and absolutely [TS]

  a black neighborhood going back going [TS]

  back to the founding of Seattle and a [TS]

  black neighborhood that was where the [TS]

  where the the city you know in enforced [TS]

  it at a certain point like it was it was [TS]

  originally it was a neighborhood that [TS]

  formed around a very successful black [TS]

  hotel e'er who moved to Seattle at the [TS]

  at the very founding of the city and and [TS]

  started a hotel and was a very [TS]

  successful guy built himself a beautiful [TS]

  house in this neighborhood and so as you [TS]

  know as blacks moved to the neighborhood [TS]

  they were encouraged to move into that [TS]

  area and then at a certain point the [TS]

  city was like well if you're black and [TS]

  you're moving to Seattle you have to [TS]

  move to that area and it was a it was a [TS]

  gradual creeping change that happened [TS]

  we're pretty soon you couldn't rent or [TS]

  buy outside of this neighborhood who and [TS]

  it became a it became an incredibly [TS]

  vibrant neighborhood incredibly powerful [TS]

  culture it's where quincy jones came [TS]

  from and it's where it's where Hendrix [TS]

  came from it's like a ray charles got [TS]

  his start playing music in this in this [TS]

  neighborhood and anyway the entire [TS]

  neighborhood now is just has been kind [TS]

  of culturally decimated not buy anything [TS]

  except this sort of influx of middle [TS]

  class whites that are like a these [TS]

  houses are pretty good actually and so [TS]

  cheap and so the neighborhood little by [TS]

  little has all moved to renton and [TS]

  places far beyond tenant down here where [TS]

  I'm living too but so Terrence moved and [TS]

  the people that bought that house and [TS]

  poured 500 grand into rebuilding the [TS]

  fire-damaged where were the classic [TS]

  couple a classic sort of white [TS]

  satellites he is a psychiatrist and she [TS]

  is a videographer a videographer the [TS]

  ultimate job she do she video graphs [TS]

  tables my job that is not a job [TS]

  videographer whenever I open up the [TS]

  sunday supplement in the in the seattle [TS]

  times and they are featuring some new [TS]

  architectural house on the lake you know [TS]

  like all this is modern you know green [TS]

  construction superloft with cheated poor [TS]

  country like davidson did that I think [TS]

  he built a very fancy like over-the-top [TS]

  fancy has a blog about the building of [TS]

  his crazy house on a lake [TS]

  yeah and then as you read the [TS]

  description one of those people [TS]

  the husband or the wife is always a [TS]

  videographer that is super interesting [TS]

  which is code for who [TS]

  rich parents who I think we get that [TS]

  here with with things [TS]

  who so there's this there's this really [TS]

  unlistenable thing that they do on kqed [TS]

  called perspectives where people do a [TS]

  little five-minute editorial and there's [TS]

  some people say they're really playing [TS]

  Pachelbel's Canon sounds fun but now I [TS]

  think it's like the Brandenburg [TS]

  spreading her get checked for something [TS]

  a little water music but they are but [TS]

  it's theirs code i think in these I've [TS]

  listened to these for so many years and [TS]

  you know in our perspective from you [TS]

  know it's always like a lady with a [TS]

  hyphenated name and and and the and i [TS]

  think there's there's code is code names [TS]

  as code jobs you know job [TS]

  yeah I mean it's funny because i like it [TS]

  as somebody who has considered himself [TS]

  from time to time a writer I i think a [TS]

  lot of people a lot of people especially [TS]

  professional journalists and authors [TS]

  don't like the word writer because it [TS]

  really doesn't tell you much about what [TS]

  that person does professionally and I [TS]

  think they look down their nose in the [TS]

  same way that probably physician thinks [TS]

  that somebody with a PhD in Medieval [TS]

  Studies shouldn't call himself a doctor [TS]

  right but I know when someone says that [TS]

  they are a something like they are are a [TS]

  writer [TS]

  living in marin county uh-huh I think [TS]

  that's the Marin County version where [TS]

  there are no could be there potter like [TS]

  I think that mr. Roxas like that's kind [TS]

  of I think that's the our version of [TS]

  videographer yeah he's a blogger she's a [TS]

  ceramicist and here's a here's a spread [TS]

  in Architectural Digest of their 11 [TS]

  million dollar home they had a couple [TS]

  investments that really really really [TS]

  paid off so ceramicist you say that to [TS]

  tell people parties when I meet people [TS]

  at a party and I end and you get into [TS]

  that la thing where they obviously want [TS]

  to carry over status [TS]

  yeah i would frequently tell people that [TS]

  I'm a ceramic to say okay I was going to [TS]

  have full fitness for some crazy plot [TS]

  line for the bar is not so what he would [TS]

  what do you do on mobile number producer [TS]

  because everybody else is a producer [TS]

  whatever the fuck that means I sell on [TS]

  mia mama ceramicist and the nice thing [TS]

  about that is i I don't really want to [TS]

  try to describe to them what I do [TS]

  because they wouldn't be interested [TS]

  right now here's the beauty part if I [TS]

  tell them I'm a ceramicist I gotta tell [TS]

  ya like like seven out of ten times the [TS]

  conversation ends because I got nothing [TS]

  for that right that's right that's right [TS]

  but they but you can sometimes be super [TS]

  cool that goes with the fucking we are [TS]

  obviously not a ceramicist and I'll say [TS]

  is I make jokes on the internet is that [TS]

  cool me too and you can have a [TS]

  conversation with yeah it's right it's [TS]

  it's a it's a great filter it's like a [TS]

  cheese cloth that only the only the best [TS]

  the best part of the wine gets through [TS]

  food that's true it's like I it's like a [TS]

  for employment decanting and now in the [TS]

  nineties this this stopped being useful [TS]

  as you can understand I used to tell [TS]

  people it's what you do and i say i do [TS]

  stuff with computers and that was plenty [TS]

  to stop the conversation because nobody [TS]

  cared you know even in the nineties even [TS]

  the nineties you can see if I said if I [TS]

  said I make things for the internet then [TS]

  I would have had to listen to them talk [TS]

  about you know keywords in AOL and stuff [TS]

  like that but you say do things with [TS]

  computers you know nobody cares i think [TS]

  you said that to me and I was like next [TS]

  site [TS]

  yeah they were like but I love Sloan [TS]

  back in love slow and you're like no no [TS]

  I really loves loan you guys remind me [TS]

  of Sloan and I was like a boy [TS]

  yeah not compared you to a lot of fans [TS]

  that you're not that crazy about now uu [TS]

  rur see generous [TS]

  thats better by the way that would be a [TS]

  much better name than trebuchet so [TS]

  generous ooh so so um I don't want to [TS]

  provide too much triangulation here but [TS]

  you've mentioned on a couple occasions [TS]

  that a point not too long ago i'm [TS]

  guessing the house on the other side [TS]

  became kind of like a flophouse writer [TS]

  became like a nut transient maybe but it [TS]

  seemed like there was a lot of people [TS]

  kind of coming in and out of that place [TS]

  was at that house or the other side [TS]

  yeah it is it was the house it was it [TS]

  was the house on the other side the [TS]

  house that that was formerly on buses [TS]

  videographer the videographers are still [TS]

  in Terrence's well no they then sold i [TS]

  swear to you i am not kidding [TS]

  they sold that house for nine hundred [TS]

  thousand dollars to a guy to a French [TS]

  guy who owns a restaurant and his wife [TS]

  who is like a high of a big-shot lawyer [TS]

  for nine hundred thousand dollars [TS]

  this is a house that when Terrance owned [TS]

  it was worth eighty thousand dollars and [TS]

  we are talking about a span of 10 years [TS]

  that is bananas totally bananas the [TS]

  house on the other side is the biggest [TS]

  house in the neighborhood some it's a [TS]

  massive house owned by a Seattle cop who [TS]

  grew up in the house with his seven [TS]

  brothers and sisters and his father [TS]

  owned a local service station and he was [TS]

  one of these guys that he just sort of [TS]

  be bought houses in the neighborhood as [TS]

  they came up for sale because you could [TS]

  I think even it as late as 1995 you [TS]

  could buy a house in that neighborhood [TS]

  for twenty thousand dollars LOL i like [TS]

  maybe like a distressed property kind of [TS]

  thing not even just like a result my [TS]

  house $20,000 that's what houses were [TS]

  worth nobody between state was just [TS]

  nothing here for years [TS]

  and so this guy that on the service [TS]

  station he owned a lot of houses in the [TS]

  neighborhood but this was the house [TS]

  where they grew up and so the cob and [TS]

  his family [TS]

  I as the as the old man got crotch here [TS]

  and crotch the air and the houses around [TS]

  we're selling he was like I'm not [TS]

  selling I'm never gonna sell that house [TS]

  screw you and it wasn't putting any [TS]

  money into it he but he didn't want to [TS]

  sell it and they were renting it [TS]

  there's a college nearby and they were [TS]

  renting its students and little by [TS]

  little it just got it was being rented [TS]

  by ring quieran drinking your groups of [TS]

  students because you know what you do is [TS]

  you get a person that moves in then his [TS]

  five friends move in and then four of [TS]

  them move out to better places and the [TS]

  rink easiest guy stays and this is this [TS]

  is this is this is a very interesting [TS]

  economic phenomenon like it's never [TS]

  there's never going to be like a guy its [TS]

  not gonna get better [TS]

  it's not gonna be like the next guy who [TS]

  comes in is the guy who always does the [TS]

  dishes and trims the lawn it's always [TS]

  going to move downward it's moving [TS]

  downward as it was moving out of that [TS]

  house is the way you move up exactly [TS]

  moving out of it as like I'm not living [TS]

  in a group house anymore where I have to [TS]

  have a padlock on my door I'm i'm [TS]

  getting up pick up on the roof just two [TS]

  houses away to thousands of way so the [TS]

  house the group in the house you know [TS]

  got got worse and worse and worse until [TS]

  it was the type of thing where you know [TS]

  you would go over there four o'clock in [TS]

  the morning they'd be in the backyard [TS]

  like banging on 50 gallon drum set and [TS]

  you could say it's for the fuck o'clock [TS]

  in the fucking morning and they would [TS]

  turn around and look at you like you [TS]

  were crazy for coming over they ever buy [TS]

  themselves a couple Marcia well so my [TS]

  mom is my mom is real good at at the you [TS]

  know managing situations like that and [TS]

  they all love turn would do anything [TS]

  she's anything she asked but my mom also [TS]

  sleeps [TS]

  she's one of these people who has a the [TS]

  white noise maker who in a room quickly [TS]

  big believer in that [TS]

  so she turns white noise maker on and [TS]

  you could they could be landing 747 on [TS]

  the street and she would just be like to [TS]

  do but i am not a white noise maker I am [TS]

  a everybody in the neighborhood be [TS]

  fucking quiet after a certain hour that [TS]

  is my because you know what I'm here to [TS]

  help people and one of the things I like [TS]

  to do with college students is teach [TS]

  them how to be members of society your [TS]

  education starts when you walk off that [TS]

  fucking campus [TS]

  yeah that's right so i would not let you [TS]

  sign it for me say John I think not say [TS]

  too much but i think he did some of your [TS]

  highest level thinking at three or four [TS]

  in the morning i absolutely do be quiet [TS]

  for that so I was over there regularly [TS]

  it right up in people's faces like do [TS]

  you know what time it is do you know how [TS]

  little I care [TS]

  we were scuffs I i tried out a whole lot [TS]

  whole lot of different i would put on a [TS]

  wizard hats okay sometimes I would dress [TS]

  is a ring rate and from there [TS]

  oh and uh and i would say I you [TS]

  understand that no one that is older [TS]

  than 18 years old cares that is st. [TS]

  Patrick's Day [TS]

  you understand that right it is not [TS]

  actually a hot a real that singular [TS]

  DeMaio is not actually a holiday you [TS]

  understand that it's not even like [TS]

  Valentine's Day it's just it's just a [TS]

  shitty day for that was just circled on [TS]

  the calendar of alcoholics in Mexico [TS]

  they do not celebrate cinco DeMaio in [TS]

  this way the only people in Mexico [TS]

  celebrates cinco de mayo are people who [TS]

  have lived in the United States and [TS]

  brought it back that's not a holiday to [TS]

  them it's not mexican independence day [TS]

  you are making a mistake it's a day [TS]

  commemorating the victory in one stupid [TS]

  battle against some French and that no [TS]

  less a lot of history great victories [TS]

  against the French come on [TS]

  except as your core and that was the [TS]

  french against French and but I mean the [TS]

  odds are pretty long on that when they [TS]

  that was that was a pretty good one and [TS]

  i'm i'm explaining this time explaining [TS]

  this to people around a burning 57 carry [TS]

  copy of Henry benefit with you at four [TS]

  o'clock in the morning and you know and [TS]

  there were a couple of times when I you [TS]

  know I had to like grab a mallet out of [TS]

  someone's hand and say I'm going to put [TS]

  this up your ass [TS]

  are they really hitting like dramas you [TS]

  know what I mean it's like it's like it [TS]

  i think i think they are living in a [TS]

  part of the city where there a modern [TS]

  primitive philosophy can really be put [TS]

  into action because they've got three [TS]

  heritage chickens back that they got the [TS]

  sink stoppers they got six doctors in [TS]

  there get six toppers in their ears they [TS]

  got 300 chickens and you know and and [TS]

  the Heritage chickens are going to last [TS]

  exactly as long as it takes the records [TS]

  to figure out how to pull the stick of [TS]

  the latch and get into the chicken coop [TS]

  and that's gonna be a bloodbath and [TS]

  everybody's going to be sad because they [TS]

  named the chickens and bring a friend [TS]

  and you know and I'm over there like [TS]

  trying to explain civics to them and [TS]

  like do you see your college we can see [TS]

  it from here do you see it's down the [TS]

  street here [TS]

  fuck you you're not on the college now [TS]

  you are here in a tab where people are [TS]

  living me included [TS]

  I'm the mayor here and then at one of [TS]

  these guys actually got a I've ken [TS]

  stringfellow came over to my house one [TS]

  day and some guy came out of that house [TS]

  he was all hopped up on goofballs and [TS]

  can in his way [TS]

  made some off-the-cuff kind of a waspy [TS]

  joke to this guy like oh I see you have [TS]

  some stink sink stoppers interiors that [TS]

  must be here when the when the feeling [TS]

  you're trying to watch the dishes but [TS]

  yeah well I whatever and this kid got [TS]

  right up in Ken's face was screaming at [TS]

  him and I was on the phone or something [TS]

  and didn't didn't catch it in time and [TS]

  it but the fight was averted but it had [TS]

  a profound effect on can I it i don't [TS]

  think it [TS]

  I don't think someone had been in his [TS]

  face screaming at him in many many years [TS]

  and didn't know there were consequences [TS]

  well can was used to living in a world [TS]

  where a snarky like a snarky comment on [TS]

  the side of your mouth who was enough to [TS]

  devastate a room and everybody would go [TS]

  home and think about their lives and [TS]

  wonder you know if they if maybe they [TS]

  should just give it all up you know ken [TS]

  was used to like kind of owning his [TS]

  university has that he has a lookup [TS]

  presence for sure he's very smart guy [TS]

  and a very [TS]

  witty guy and he travels the world in a [TS]

  in a kind of he travels the world in [TS]

  such a way that everywhere he goes he is [TS]

  surrounded by people who already love [TS]

  ken stringfellow so he was not used to [TS]

  confronting people in the world in this [TS]

  way where he's just like oh i see that [TS]

  you're behind the kids like what the [TS]

  fuck did you just say to me and right on [TS]

  his face and you know by the time I got [TS]

  off my phone call and made it over there [TS]

  it the damage had been done and I was [TS]

  like hey this guy's a friend of mine [TS]

  stop yelling at me in front of my house [TS]

  you go over you go beyond drugs in your [TS]

  front yard and the guys like well [TS]

  alright but you know that you doing to [TS]

  you know and can is like visibly like [TS]

  shell-shocked like like the kid never [TS]

  touched him but can't look like he had [TS]

  been slapped with a kid gloves and it [TS]

  was them [TS]

  yeah it was a rough time in that [TS]

  neighborhood because the transit [TS]

  transitions can go a lot of different [TS]

  ways and in this case it was [TS]

  transitioning toward toward bad zone but [TS]

  now that house I swear to you is home to [TS]

  an entire bicycle polo team that's not [TS]

  that's not a real thing [TS]

  it is but it was invented in seattle [TS]

  people play polo on old tennis courts on [TS]

  their fixie bikes and it's the ferry and [TS]

  so fucking angry right now very amazing [TS]

  sport to watch but it i think it's [TS]

  sweeping the nation if it's not sweeping [TS]

  the nation it's only because the nation [TS]

  it cannot cannot handle the truth it's [TS]

  coming today special attire and little [TS]

  helmets or anything [TS]

  um it you know it is a it's a variation [TS]

  on bicycle messenger culture which [TS]

  already has its own set of kind of [TS]

  modern primitives slashgear head / vegan [TS]

  occupywallstreet going to put willfully [TS]

  willfully filthy yeah it's a kind of [TS]

  it's a kind of like gutter punks who are [TS]

  not so committed to the cause that they [TS]

  actually want to live in a gutter like [TS]

  they want running white totally buy that [TS]

  when people are 18 or 19 [TS]

  I just when I see people in the 40 [TS]

  surgery and that just makes me sad [TS]

  well these guys are all in their life [TS]

  that I I suspect they're in their [TS]

  twenties and there's like it's like it's [TS]

  like the guy in his forties who comes to [TS]

  a punk rock shelf said I say that as a [TS]

  guy in his forties but when that there [TS]

  was this one guy this one [TS]

  skinhead in tampa who would come to all [TS]

  the hardcore shows and he was like it's [TS]

  30 easily thirties probably he just [TS]

  seemed ancient and it was just always [TS]

  like you know that guy with the converse [TS]

  you know now I wonder about this Merlin [TS]

  because my all through my teens and [TS]

  twenties and even thirties there were [TS]

  those guys that haunted the outskirts [TS]

  order of the music scene and sometimes [TS]

  like managed to get themselves you know [TS]

  they're always real friendly people and [TS]

  the magical insinuate themselves into [TS]

  kind of close to the center of of [TS]

  certain little will adjunct rock scenes [TS]

  these guys who are like who are [TS]

  conspicuously too old to still be dying [TS]

  their hair conspicuously too old to [TS]

  still be wearing bell-bottoms and I i [TS]

  remember all through my my youth in rock [TS]

  you feeling that mixture that you're [TS]

  talking about that same mixture kind of [TS]

  pity and contempt for these guys was [TS]

  like really are you serious what are you [TS]

  doing here [TS]

  shouldn't you be working in a bank or [TS]

  something like that maybe being an adult [TS]

  someone yeah right [TS]

  and now that i'm 44 I don't what was [TS]

  clear about these people was that they [TS]

  did not have they were not seeing [TS]

  themselves in the mirror you know they [TS]

  look at themselves in the mirror may be [TS]

  like haha you think insisted that they [TS]

  didn't care i don't know i honestly [TS]

  don't know like whenever i see I i [TS]

  tweeted about this not very long ago [TS]

  whenever I see a man my age wearing paul [TS]

  weller haircuts [TS]

  I'm like no no don't especially off like [TS]

  frosted tips you are not mod now you are [TS]

  fewer in your 40 sir stop having your [TS]

  hair done that way that is not [TS]

  appropriate but you see these guys [TS]

  they're like you know they've got it [TS]

  they've got a 19-inch neck and there [TS]

  were having a paul weller haircut there [TS]

  and they're wearing clothes that only [TS]

  fit on someone with a 29 inch waist and [TS]

  the thing is what they don't realize is [TS]

  that first of all paul weller today he [TS]

  looks super fucking cool he looks great [TS]

  he's like nick lowe he like he is he's a [TS]

  cool looking old guy that looks like [TS]

  he's carved out of wood [TS]

  well yeah like maybe some driftwood but [TS]

  that's what was that guys thinking with [TS]

  his own body [TS]

  miss dysphoria is what is called he [TS]

  thinks he looks like Pato held her but [TS]

  it doesn't realize he's actually closer [TS]

  to Elton John yeah yeah he looks like he [TS]

  looks like a large client that someone [TS]

  pasted pubic hair oh yeah and what about [TS]

  what I did what I'm afraid of is that I [TS]

  have a similar like I am 44 44 and I go [TS]

  to rock shows and I stand there with the [TS]

  with a look of the only builds contempt [TS]

  for everybody and I have a and i cut my [TS]

  own hair and i'm wearing some dopey [TS]

  hipster glasses and i don't know if i [TS]

  look like i am which is the coolest guy [TS]

  in the town or whether i look like maybe [TS]

  I actually am which is a big dumb dope [TS]

  forty-four-year-old hanging out in a [TS]

  rock club who should be working in a [TS]

  bank by now i cannot idea i cannot say [TS]

  for sure I I would never want to try to [TS]

  talk you out of a painful experience in [TS]

  self-realization because I i said i get [TS]

  the sense that that's a valuable journey [TS]

  for you i enjoyed this very much the [TS]

  first of all I think we should stipulate [TS]

  that there are various types of two old [TS]

  guy at a rock show [TS]

  there are everything seems to be almost [TS]

  every community has a savant are or or [TS]

  some kind of a like super fan that [TS]

  everybody knows is probably a little bit [TS]

  autistic or such a tradition and you [TS]

  know he gets to sing along on stage he's [TS]

  been to every show every yeah [TS]

  yep yeah i mean he's he becomes like a [TS]

  mascot that everybody kind of tolerates [TS]

  there's there's there's certainly there [TS]

  certainly can't be i'm thinking of [TS]

  almost like Matthew McConaughey and days [TS]

  to confused there there is that kind of [TS]

  predator feeling character right but [TS]

  again I don't want to talk about it but [TS]

  obviously John I think [TS]

  you are an elder statesman of that [TS]

  entire community people look to you for [TS]

  guidance and wisdom that makes me feel [TS]

  better and i think i think one direction [TS]

  to take it is that really you are there [TS]

  to to have that look on your face and to [TS]

  make people really think about whether [TS]

  they should be on stage at all m1 or [TS]

  yeah i don't know i mean maybe enough [TS]

  for every show but I mean the thing is [TS]

  these kids need leadership and you know [TS]

  that they're basically there are two [TS]

  months away from being in a backyard [TS]

  playing on fucking drums yeah you're [TS]

  right you know a lot of them just shits [TS]

  not an appropriate to be in a bit and [TS]

  you know and here's the other thing now [TS]

  a lot of these people today they have [TS]

  completely inexplicable haircuts that [TS]

  that's true that maybe somebody in [TS]

  England should have for a little while [TS]

  before a wise up at the front of big [TS]

  problem with the frosted the frosting I [TS]

  don't like the frosting it takes too [TS]

  long not the frosting on the beer but [TS]

  the frosting on the tips not a fan [TS]

  one of the things that I I feel one of [TS]

  my jobs in seattle is to demonstrate to [TS]

  people younger people how to the [TS]

  appropriate way to wear corduroy and [TS]

  tweed uh-huh [TS]

  because you see a lot of people there [TS]

  like corduroy tweed and then I get it [TS]

  all wrong [TS]

  you're like a beer like a professor of [TS]

  corduroy it seems like you have you see [TS]

  subtlety and you feel in that in that in [TS]

  that whistling like you either something [TS]

  there's something there that you are [TS]

  tuned into that other people are just [TS]

  playing with you must see that sometimes [TS]

  ago that the costume you're wearing [TS]

  corduroy appropriately [TS]

  yeah if you're if you if you are [TS]

  properly wearing a corduroy blazer the [TS]

  tips of your lapels should curl up a [TS]

  little bit from where the jacket has [TS]

  been rained on multiple times so if your [TS]

  lapels are lying flat we can see that [TS]

  you've never worn in the rain this [TS]

  immediately calls me out as a corduroy [TS]

  piker because I I think I is I don't [TS]

  this ping-pong but I i feel like i would [TS]

  be worried you are corduroy and they're [TS]

  not worried but I would be would be [TS]

  concerning to me I would work i would [TS]

  want to have a shell over the corduroy [TS]

  and you're telling me that that's this [TS]

  is this is like you're just you're [TS]

  working it in when you're there you [TS]

  don't wear corduroy and your tweet in [TS]

  the rain [TS]

  you're not wearing it does not make you [TS]

  smell like a saint bernard absolutely [TS]

  ok absofuckinlutely if you live in [TS]

  scandal and you don't smell like a saint [TS]

  bernard then you're too precious [TS]

  you're not doing it right Oh [TS]

  also if you live in Seattle and you wear [TS]

  suede of any kind [TS]

  it had better look like you just escaped [TS]

  from a fire [TS]

  you know what I mean like suede is not [TS]

  an appropriate fabric for the Northwest [TS]

  because at any moment a squall might [TS]

  like knock you off the dock huh [TS]

  you can't have the power goes out mob [TS]

  rule [TS]

  I think you're going to be wearing an [TS]

  inappropriate clothes you're wearing a [TS]

  jacket that needs to be brushed now give [TS]

  me a break [TS]

  so you can wear spider in Seattle it [TS]

  just has to look like it has to look [TS]

  like somebody somebody just like cut the [TS]

  head off a cow with a with a like that [TS]

  scene in Apocalypse Now [TS]

  boom yeah not a cow and oxen oxen you [TS]

  like someone someone who had to have [TS]

  just chopped an ox with a machete and [TS]

  cut sleeves in it right in front and [TS]

  then yeah right and and made us wear a [TS]

  jacket that's the only way that's the [TS]

  only way you can wear suede this this [TS]

  this this is probably as good a time as [TS]

  any for me to bring this up because you [TS]

  recall that when i was in Seattle with a [TS]

  couple weeks ago remember about those [TS]

  dad's shoes about comfortable dad shoes [TS]

  yes you did and never any fun because my [TS]

  large toe box right but here's the thing [TS]

  that everybody made fun of you i thought [TS]

  they were I thought they were perfectly [TS]

  she's driving a little frustrating that [TS]

  they they they didn't check out my feet [TS]

  with the product device they had me [TS]

  stand on a computer and the guy gave me [TS]

  some notes on my posture a computer [TS]

  Braddock device of any you talk about [TS]

  your posture [TS]

  oh yeah here's the thing you go to this [TS]

  place and I think they've got a good [TS]

  selection there which I'm gonna come [TS]

  back to but is well let me just check [TS]

  the let's have a look and check out your [TS]

  shoe size [TS]

  okay so far so good and also this is a [TS]

  little better than it did you have it [TS]

  was his tongue pierce who had a Capitol [TS]

  Hill impediment and and and so I stood [TS]

  on this thing and i saw what looked like [TS]

  a functional MRI and when people said [TS]

  well you do you do tell us a little bit [TS]

  to the left me some I don't know haha i [TS]

  said and so there's a dress to the right [TS]

  right you have to like I just I i just [TS]

  left which is a little unconventional i [TS]

  think but then we brought up the shoes [TS]

  he also brought some orthotics you know [TS]

  I mean that looks like a doctor [TS]

  i mean that's like that's like a when [TS]

  you bring up valid show lady some makeup [TS]

  you also give her a car with a Botox [TS]

  person on it like I don't want to show [TS]

  me your thoughts but anyway long story [TS]

  short I ended up buying these dad's [TS]

  shoes because they're supposedly like [TS]

  good in the rain but can I tell you what [TS]

  I first held in my hand and almost [TS]

  bought was was your brand was the the [TS]

  Clarks i might my wife likes your shoes [TS]

  and she has been encouraging me I at one [TS]

  point I know you you got free Clark's [TS]

  memory serves and I said I said to the [TS]

  guy these these desert boots or whatever [TS]

  they're called become chukka boots when [TS]

  i was a kid i said these don't fare so [TS]

  well in the rain he's looking into no [TS]

  you do not want to wear those in the [TS]

  rain now but you okay so here's the [TS]

  thing tell me tell me about this is part [TS]

  of the larger apocalypse weighed like [TS]

  you just get used to those things being [TS]

  all beat up and shoot your feet being [TS]

  with yeah this is the thing I mean now I [TS]

  understand there are cultures in America [TS]

  where you wear white tennis shoes and [TS]

  you clean them with a toothbrush every [TS]

  night but in in in my opinion in seattle [TS]

  if you are going to wear some Clark's [TS]

  that are made out of suede they're gonna [TS]

  look like shit after a while but looking [TS]

  like shit is a wonderful way to look [TS]

  great if you can if you do it with style [TS]

  and authenticity [TS]

  that's right if you look a little bit [TS]

  like I mean this is ultimately a large [TS]

  portion of what we consider [TS]

  american-style by which i mean Tommy [TS]

  Hilfiger and ralph lauren and all these [TS]

  kind of a classic men's stylist in [TS]

  America they are they are 100-percent [TS]

  stealing English mens style and just [TS]

  stealing whole cloth bring it to America [TS]

  and making it a little craft her a [TS]

  little just more base and then selling [TS]

  it to the masses and everybody in [TS]

  America and everybody in japan for that [TS]

  matter [TS]

  we're all dressing like English country [TS]

  gentleman who accept with her but isn't [TS]

  sure the temperature-dependent sons of [TS]

  Industrialists yeah it was weird we are [TS]

  we are dressing like people who are [TS]

  walking over our state with a couple of [TS]

  golden retrievers following us with a [TS]

  double-barrel shotgun in the crook of [TS]

  our arm waiting for a pheasant to take [TS]

  flight like everybody in the country [TS]

  like preppy is just a version of this [TS]

  American prep is just a version of [TS]

  English country [TS]

  well my feeling about it is that english [TS]

  country is a great what is a great [TS]

  jumping-off point for fashion but you [TS]

  have to actually look like you're [TS]

  walking across a muddy field with two [TS]

  golden retrievers behind you with the [TS]

  widow with a with a rain falling on you [TS]

  like if you if you try and look for [TS]

  trying to look to groom if you try and [TS]

  protect your suede shoes against the [TS]

  ring you are being a fop it is the it is [TS]

  the wrong that is wrong by my standards [TS]

  but then again i have never ironed shirt [TS]

  when somebody shows me an iron i always [TS]

  think 'what is this is this thing [TS]

  why would you why would you why would [TS]

  you have certainly not the kind of thing [TS]

  you would want to have to depend on it's [TS]

  heavy it's unwieldy its sharp it's hot [TS]

  and you don't have to drag that around [TS]

  with you in order to feel like a [TS]

  gentleman you know a friend of mine took [TS]

  his girlfriend camping in the in the [TS]

  olympic national forest a few years ago [TS]

  and she was a sort of a city girl and [TS]

  not used to this experience but he was [TS]

  trying to bring her into his way of [TS]

  thinking like I'm outdoorsy guy i'm a [TS]

  camper like come with me I'll show you [TS]

  what it's like and she he shows up at [TS]

  her house to pick her up and she has a [TS]

  suitcase [TS]

  first of all it's like okay alright baby [TS]

  steps he puts the suitcase in the trunk [TS]

  they drive out to the forest and he [TS]

  realizes you know that he is he's gonna [TS]

  have to carry the suitcase to the [TS]

  campsite but it's he's breaking it's a [TS]

  it's a it's a gradual thing is it's kind [TS]

  of almost car camping they're going to [TS]

  drive into the [TS]

  parking lot and just I just have to walk [TS]

  a little ways to their campsite make [TS]

  multiple trips to the car [TS]

  yeah but that without any inconvenience [TS]

  so he's okay he's okay with the suitcase [TS]

  so we carry the suitcase they set up a [TS]

  tent build a fire and she opens her [TS]

  suitcase and she is packed a hairdryer [TS]

  ok dad and to me that is that is how i [TS]

  feel about a clothes iron everyday even [TS]

  living in a house like I see a clothes [TS]

  iron and I just feel like that is like [TS]

  bringing a hair dryer on a camping trip [TS]

  think there's something slightly sweet [TS]

  about that was incredibly sweet and i [TS]

  think that those two are married now and [TS]

  and I've lived happily ever after and [TS]

  it's a wonderful example of like I'm [TS]

  opposites attract [TS]

  this here's what I was so first of all [TS]

  in addition to the fact that reminds me [TS]

  of that very sweet movie [TS]

  Moonrise Kingdom it it also makes you [TS]

  think of what I wouldn't want so he's [TS]

  Johnny outdoorsy so the first of all he [TS]

  did it sounds like he didn't ask her [TS]

  what she wanted to do right well but i [TS]

  think they I think up until that she was [TS]

  into it up until that point he had been [TS]

  catering to her desire x SI fancy meals [TS]

  and go to go to go dancing at the Oscars [TS]

  she's really more like a cat and this [TS]

  was this was one of these like hey let's [TS]

  not let me show you what i like to do [TS]

  you know and i think i think they have [TS]

  met i think they have made it work [TS]

  I that this was not a story trying to [TS]

  poop on their romantic [TS]

  no no no butBut I'm I guess here's what [TS]

  I wouldn't want to see is somebody who [TS]

  goes to rei and spends $1,500 on gear [TS]

  right that without even know just in so [TS]

  she opens up her and her i don't even [TS]

  know my name in north face North back [TS]

  even though they can't be trusted [TS]

  yeah and it's full of brand-new [TS]

  patagonia everything brand-new and [TS]

  there's like three different kinds of [TS]

  shoes for different we're obviously they [TS]

  realized they had one on the line [TS]

  yeah right that re is super nice to [TS]

  about a jacket i really liked that rei [TS]

  that's a nice sorry I you know I [TS]

  that's like the flagship rei right it is [TS]

  yeah and i've been a member of rei since [TS]

  1977 and my dad was a member of rei the [TS]

  very very beginning that he was you know [TS]

  in the first handful of people that [TS]

  joined rei and I feel like REI has [TS]

  become a place that I don't recognize I [TS]

  mean I used to I used to buy everything [TS]

  there and now I go into rei and I walk [TS]

  around and everything is supposed every [TS]

  everything is trying to wick sweat off [TS]

  of me like I you know I oh I'll touch [TS]

  your garment and that's why did they [TS]

  call my wife now she runs she was what [TS]

  she calls technicals yeah just got your [TS]

  uncle's upward yes like stop waking me I [TS]

  don't want to be wickd I want to have a [TS]

  i wanna have a coat and the code is like [TS]

  no no I have all these technology I have [TS]

  this I'm you know wicking is the least [TS]

  of the things i'm gonna do to you I'm [TS]

  like I don't want to coat to do things [TS]

  to me i just want a jacket that has that [TS]

  as snaps and they're like no we don't [TS]

  use snaps anymore we use this high-tech [TS]

  polypropylene velcro that never get out [TS]

  of my polypropylene back velcro that [TS]

  doesn't make any sense i want a button [TS]

  give me a fucking button on my coat no [TS]

  no we don't need we don't have that [TS]

  anymore because when here because when [TS]

  you're summiting Everest after running a [TS]

  like a triple marathon you're going to [TS]

  be perspiring you don't we need to with [TS]

  that sweat off of you [TS]

  I'm like that's not what I'm wearing [TS]

  this jacket for i'm not going to summit [TS]

  Everest and no one who buys it is all [TS]

  that they did they I think they get this [TS]

  is just my moment as somebody who is an [TS]

  outsider who is not there in 1977 I [TS]

  think they are heavily trained to make [TS]

  you feel like you're fucking [TS]

  surrendering Hillary yeah when you go in [TS]

  there or maybe maybe tenzing norgay like [TS]

  you're supposed to really feel like [TS]

  you're going to do something very [TS]

  important and we're supposed to feel [TS]

  like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

  like tenzing norgay he was [TS]

  you know he was working he did all the [TS]

  heavy lifting right he did he had a [TS]

  sense that you I heard hurt sir edmund [TS]

  hillary was a hardy guy but really it [TS]

  was it was tensing I don't think that [TS]

  you can get to the top of Everest even [TS]

  now even even the even now that there's [TS]

  a quad lift to the top of Everest for [TS]

  rich ladies I think you can have a [TS]

  Sherpa carry you [TS]

  I think you still need to be kind of a [TS]

  badass to get up there [TS]

  I don't care I don't you know yeah I [TS]

  read into the void or whatever but but [TS]

  you still have to be pretty tough but [TS]

  but yeah the Sherpas like they go up and [TS]

  down that mountain we didn't need [TS]

  wicking he didn't mean it like a funny [TS]

  hat a smile [TS]

  here's the thing you go in and I think [TS]

  this is it's all it's all a very it [TS]

  again it's like pole-dancing you go in [TS]

  there and you are part of a transaction [TS]

  where both of you know what's going on [TS]

  even if you're not admitting and so you [TS]

  go in there and you're like you know [TS]

  you're Johnny fleece fast and you're [TS]

  likely to get some technical gear for [TS]

  some extensive camping i'm going to be [TS]

  you know walking a quarter of a mile [TS]

  from my land rover I'm gonna be sitting [TS]

  on the tailgate of my bulbo and eating [TS]

  and eating and eating soy off dogs [TS]

  yeah and so I think this plays straight [TS]

  into the systems that they sell you know [TS]

  the guy together that guy who want to [TS]

  sell my orthotics I think he's used to [TS]

  get offering people a sweet like I never [TS]

  let him get to the socks but their socks [TS]

  too so today I'm sure you're aware of [TS]

  this at these places you go in there and [TS]

  they knowing that there's a story that [TS]

  you want to tell yourself [TS]

  they can convince you that you owe it to [TS]

  yourself to buy this multi-layered [TS]

  clothing system fucking jacket you buy a [TS]

  system right so you start out with this [TS]

  weekend Material you buy a fucking [TS]

  fifty-dollar t-shirt so it a wick and it [TS]

  alarm zip off and the pant legs up off [TS]

  John it's a tactical shirt in case [TS]

  you're in the jungle [TS]

  yeah right exactly exactly and so but [TS]

  you go in there and and like that [TS]

  they're dancing on a pole and you're [TS]

  throwing out the singles and and you [TS]

  walk out of there you run your card and [TS]

  you walk out of there and you get to [TS]

  really feel like you've got somewhere [TS]

  very rugged your carabiners are going to [TS]

  be very important even though you mostly [TS]

  use it for the keys to fall though it's [TS]

  so annoying and it's why i have if i buy [TS]

  any new clothes new outdoor clothes now [TS]

  I I just buy them filson filson is [TS]

  another Seattle [TS]

  a Seattle company and they were founded [TS]

  to provide outfitting gear for the [TS]

  original like people going to Alaska and [TS]

  mine gold the original chilkoot [TS]

  charlie's who were leaving to go you [TS]

  know at the turn of the century to go [TS]

  mine gold in Canada filson made them all [TS]

  their wool blankets and hats and jackets [TS]

  and filson is this company where they [TS]

  still their their their flagship product [TS]

  is a pair of canvas pants that have been [TS]

  have been dipped in cold wax it's a wax [TS]

  wax pants and you put these pants on and [TS]

  it's very uncomfortable they feel like [TS]

  they are made out of wet galvanized tin [TS]

  and the lawyer you are these pants the [TS]

  more they conform to you and you can you [TS]

  can actually go sit in a mud puddle and [TS]

  everybody here you got your pan [TS]

  yeah you got you that's right you got [TS]

  your pan and you're sifting for your [TS]

  parents loose you guys whatever that is [TS]

  you gotta schedule sluice and you are [TS]

  singing a mud puddle in these pants and [TS]

  let me tell you [TS]

  berlin having sat in many mud puddles in [TS]

  these pants [TS]

  you are not comfortable huh the pants [TS]

  are impregnated with cold wax and that [TS]

  does not feel good and in a cold puddle [TS]

  you feel not that great but you you are [TS]

  as you are as God intended [TS]

  nothing is working there is no nothing [TS]

  is flicking or or unsticking there's no [TS]

  ventilation of any kind you are there [TS]

  doesn't say the wax pants don't breathe [TS]

  the wax pits the wax pants don't breathe [TS]

  you are not meant to wash them the care [TS]

  the care of a little sad all you need is [TS]

  a minute and hoes [TS]

  yeah the care tag on the thing says [TS]

  don't watch the interlocking whatever [TS]

  you don't put them in the dryer don't [TS]

  iron them feel alone I'm alone like if [TS]

  they get dirty [TS]

  the next time you wear them that dirt [TS]

  will provide an extra layer of [TS]

  protection you know and it it's a so [TS]

  anyway filson is the they have not [TS]

  succumbed yet [TS]

  and then this wax and [TS]

  ignited canvas they used to make [TS]

  suitcases they use it to make anything [TS]

  basically indicated by a blank they take [TS]

  things that other people sell that the [TS]

  kinds of things you can buy at a store [TS]

  and they just dipped in wax yeah you get [TS]

  a wax cup probably you get 1i think you [TS]

  might be able to get a wax cup doesn't [TS]

  they also have a wall they don't tip the [TS]

  woman wax because wall already has wax [TS]

  in it [TS]

  lana ly oh i see that you got an organic [TS]

  land from the sea and organic wax it [TS]

  doesn't need to you know so that the [TS]

  carrier the care instructions of these [TS]

  things and things in the northwest when [TS]

  you go out and you see a guy like a [TS]

  telephone lineman or electric lineman [TS]

  who's up a pole or a guy whose job it is [TS]

  is just all winter long stand knee-deep [TS]

  in water with a shovel in his hand a lot [TS]

  of these guys the young guys are all [TS]

  wearing you know probably Healy Hanson a [TS]

  fishing gear or or budget northface [TS]

  crapolla has a healing and yachting [TS]

  jacket yeah that's that's good i guess i [TS]

  like it's got like a bill the special [TS]

  sleep to put a rope through let's talk a [TS]

  lot line but like the the 57 year old [TS]

  black dude who has been of who's been [TS]

  alignment right for 30 years in the [TS]

  northwest he is wearing filson head to [TS]

  toe and that's how you know that he is a [TS]

  heart that he's hardcore that's how you [TS]

  know he's the real deal when I see guys [TS]

  when I see like older than me guys in [TS]

  filson around here I'm like mhm mhm i [TS]

  tried to give him a fist bump and most [TS]

  of the time they won't accept it now [TS]

  let's shake hands like a gentleman [TS]

  yeah they're like what the fuck are you [TS]

  doing John I don't know where to begin [TS]

  well I don't know why for some reason [TS]

  maybe it's just being near you i want to [TS]

  buy clothes [TS]

  yeah and I outfit myself when I come to [TS]

  seattle i don't know why i'm not a big [TS]

  clothes shopper i Doan five pairs of [TS]

  Levi's 501 and that is it you know now i [TS]

  think i think i should get just a small [TS]

  amount of credit at the appropriate [TS]

  authenticity level for how how I where [TS]

  the fuck out of some 50 ones i don't [TS]

  watch them for six months I just think [TS]

  you do I sleep in it for the first five [TS]

  nights [TS]

  yeah and and I don't take my little take [TS]

  them off you have your you have your [TS]

  space pen in your wallet and your of [TS]

  your keys or whatever and a single take [TS]

  your pants off and stand in the corner [TS]

  yeah you can see the outline of your [TS]

  space pen in your wallet where they have [TS]

  been worn in yeah now the pair that I'm [TS]

  wearing today i'll send you a photograph [TS]

  of these they're just shy of the crotch [TS]

  blowing out so have the pocket on the [TS]

  right side is blown out because nothing [TS]

  is pants will will tell a story about [TS]

  your life that's true whether you like [TS]

  it or not it will show you that where [TS]

  you carry in your case my case my iphone [TS]

  there's an outline the outline wallet in [TS]

  mind you can actually see i have like a [TS]

  taxi drivers wallet you know it's got [TS]

  the little flap and that you can [TS]

  actually see where the snap is there [TS]

  like a white I have some water because [TS]

  you gave one as a gift you got rid of [TS]

  that big truck wall used to keep like [TS]

  six thousand dollars in i did because in [TS]

  the foreign carts that was causing me it [TS]

  was causing me back problems [TS]

  you gave my mom one of these taxi [TS]

  wallets as a present one time for having [TS]

  stated her house and she I came over the [TS]

  next day and she was like Merlin gave me [TS]

  this wallet and I was like what a [TS]

  thoughtful gift she said I'm never gonna [TS]

  use this I don't wear any one of your [TS]

  mom and she was like you you take it [TS]

  i've been using it for the last 10 years [TS]

  I just replace the one that I just [TS]

  replaced a check because i went to [TS]

  amazon it so i think it's so fun to go [TS]

  to amazon and search for something to [TS]

  buy and it says disorder shipped on May [TS]

  fifth two thousand four so i can [TS]

  actually tell i've had this wallet [TS]

  whatever that was it was 2004 have this [TS]

  wall for eight years and if I were [TS]

  partners got a new one but but no here's [TS]

  how to wear 501 I should just tell you [TS]

  quickly than my first re-experience this [TS]

  is very quick was I think we was dot-com [TS]

  days was wearing a lot of tactical [TS]

  clothing for some reason [TS]

  yeah we went to rei that when you're [TS]

  sitting in a aeron chair it maybe this [TS]

  about those legs and half so never know [TS]

  when you need to commit some code real [TS]

  quick and i'll be able to move quick [TS]

  you might need to unzip the bottoms of [TS]

  your pants in menlo park california [TS]

  highway to the Rara I probably after [TS]

  probably a two-hundred-dollar lunch and [TS]

  but it was I did have the presence of [TS]

  mind to go in there and I was completely [TS]

  i laughed out loud it's 1999 i laughed [TS]

  out loud the entire time that I was in [TS]

  there because even then it was obvious [TS]

  that this was farcical this this is like [TS]

  it's a keychain but it's also a flare [TS]

  gun but it's only a slightly more [TS]

  sophisticated version of a morbidly [TS]

  obese man in a football jersey like you [TS]

  don't play football we doing that [TS]

  off yeah it's officially official NFL [TS]

  you know it's like no it's not your [TS]

  canister a bear spray your what are you [TS]

  really gonna confront the quarterback of [TS]

  pringles take that off so I go in there [TS]

  and I said I just want someone like you [TS]

  know like low-key like hiking boots [TS]

  because it's just comfortable like [TS]

  something I can wear around that's you [TS]

  know water-resistant and the guys look [TS]

  we'll all this one know there's great [TS]

  portion control and it works away [TS]

  harbors notes authentic artist [TS]

  Annalise's you can if you want to walk [TS]

  around on this fake rock and see if they [TS]

  work in canada and the loudest voice I [TS]

  could without sounding like a says he [TS]

  had passed said these are webpage making [TS]

  shoes haha [TS]

  nea didn't know how to respond i don't [TS]

  think there was a tab in the finder of [TS]

  the guy who knew he was a poser [TS]

  how do you respond to that one thing to [TS]

  come in and go like oh I need a new [TS]

  carabiner yeah yeah [TS]

  first of all the guy who goes in there [TS]

  he's red lights outdoor magazines he was [TS]

  unprepared for a thin bone man who knew [TS]

  he was a fraud [TS]

  yeah I remember walking up the stairs at [TS]

  a youth hostel in Vienna and it was one [TS]

  of these youth hostels that had probably [TS]

  formerly been well it was it was a it [TS]

  wasn't a collection point was originally [TS]

  like a Hapsburg a like administrative [TS]

  center and then yeah sure [TS]

  during the war it was yeah it was some [TS]

  kind of too hot it was a judicial place [TS]

  it was a place where they wear it does [TS]

  for people with clipboards walked around [TS]

  measuring noses [TS]

  yes setting that saying we got a lot of [TS]

  people today it's been a big wide [TS]

  staircase and I'm walking up the [TS]

  staircase in the middle of the day and [TS]

  it's a very busy youth hostel and [TS]

  they're probably 60 people on the [TS]

  staircase at one time people going up [TS]

  people coming down [TS]

  it's like four flights of stairs but [TS]

  it's a big winding staircase so you can [TS]

  kind of see you can see people all the [TS]

  way up and all the way down and it feels [TS]

  like you're really walking up the stairs [TS]

  of a grand hotel at the height of the [TS]

  Gilded Age all these people it's a it's [TS]

  lunchtime people coming down people [TS]

  going up and i'm halfway up this [TS]

  staircase and people talking German [TS]

  they're talking english italian swedish [TS]

  everybody's its international group [TS]

  and some guy but people just kind of [TS]

  burbling some guy says in a very loud [TS]

  voice every single person on this [TS]

  staircase is wearing cargo pants and [TS]

  everybody on the stairs looked and sure [TS]

  enough everyone including me was wearing [TS]

  pants with cargo pockets and chase a [TS]

  sense of like mutual shame descended on [TS]

  us all because everyone had giant [TS]

  pockets on the sides of their pants and [TS]

  not a single person had anything in [TS]

  those pockets like we were all wearing [TS]

  cargo pants and that was how we like it [TS]

  that way guitar pay for some tylenol [TS]

  that was that was individually how we [TS]

  each had elected to express that we were [TS]

  travelers right and it was like going to [TS]

  it was like going to a punk rock show in [TS]

  orange county california where every [TS]

  single person in a 700 person capacity [TS]

  show is wearing not Chuck Taylors but [TS]

  jack purcells like if you're wearing [TS]

  chuck taylor that's the black ones [TS]

  the black ones with the little little [TS]

  smiley face on the on the toe i was at a [TS]

  show down there at this place called the [TS]

  crystal palace or whatever the Crystal [TS]

  Room crystal house glasshouse in orange [TS]

  county and I I i had to actually drop to [TS]

  one knee to verify what I thought I was [TS]

  seeing I dropped to one knee and look at [TS]

  the shoes of a huge room full of kids [TS]

  there was not a single kid in the place [TS]

  that had a different pair of shoes on it [TS]

  was like we have all decided hear what [TS]

  the uniform is and in this one instance [TS]

  it was we were all wearing cargo pants [TS]

  and unfortunately I was not able to rip [TS]

  those cargo pants off my body at that [TS]

  moment and burn them on the staircase in [TS]

  an expression of like County Sheriff [TS]

  your own pockets like sergeant stripes [TS]

  yeah I was ashamed i was to be dressed [TS]

  basically like a sorority girl [TS]

  haha back from that moment forth i [TS]

  stuffed my cargo pant pockets with [TS]

  things you know I was like mr. it is so [TS]

  unflattering and it's really not a [TS]

  convenient place to carry a second i'm [TS]

  sitting here trying to think like I had [TS]

  water in in the in the rei webpage boot [TS]

  period i went through this thing where i [TS]

  was by like $60 cargo pants that were [TS]

  like real technical like 55 or whatever [TS]

  like this after with the company's [TS]

  called but they were like hipster like [TS]

  oh you know what they were right by the [TS]

  i would buy cargo pants and fucking [TS]

  that's super-annoying store you know the [TS]

  chain not american apparel but the one [TS]

  that sells it's like almost like [TS]

  anthropology you know anyone that sells [TS]

  fake old things [TS]

  oh you're talking about urban outfitters [TS]

  servant outfitters and i was buying [TS]

  artisanal cargo pants and as I sit here [TS]

  right now and all kinds of hooks and [TS]

  shit understand my backpack I have an [TS]

  amazing tambien backpack that's like one [TS]

  of the greatest backpacks in the world [TS]

  and I still don't understand what all [TS]

  the straps are for but in this instance [TS]

  I was walking around like it was normal [TS]

  to have all these clips and shit my [TS]

  pants I don't think they knew I think [TS]

  they're just laughing and by putting and [TS]

  putting loupes on things yeah that's [TS]

  exactly what they do like I know let's [TS]

  put a loop right at the end of the knee [TS]

  and then we have flex where if you clip [TS]

  something there it will actually inhibit [TS]

  your ability you have you have a missed [TS]

  you have up the other pant with an [TS]

  integrated knee loop and then had been [TS]

  sitting here thinking like it's one [TS]

  thing to be like you're describing like [TS]

  that the Wichita Lineman kind of guys [TS]

  who were up there and they need that [TS]

  kind of stuff because they're doing work [TS]

  but like I honestly as I sit here I [TS]

  don't know what you're supposed to put [TS]

  in cargo pant pockets you know what they [TS]

  are and i add a smoke and ipad mini [TS]

  would fit in there are modern the modern [TS]

  equivalent of of Malcolm McLaren's [TS]

  bondage pains there they're deliberately [TS]

  unpractical and a little over right [TS]

  there like plaid pants with with bondage [TS]

  clasps all over them and and like some [TS]

  straps that are other shit his pants and [TS]

  they be useless for bondage shit shit [TS]

  his pants and terrible and you know what [TS]

  if you want to if you want to practice [TS]

  bondage with somebody yeah first thing [TS]

  get the pants off [TS]

  yes you know what I mean you're not [TS]

  gonna fucking bondage somebody shooting [TS]

  type of person in pants that'll get [TS]

  their hands off and been time up to [TS]

  check them for tattoos so this is just [TS]

  standard stuff [TS]

  no this is this is this is day one kind [TS]

  of stuff well I'm not gonna growing up [TS]

  levi's 501 of course we're the only pins [TS]

  the only pants that you could possibly [TS]

  wear and I i turned it into a teenager [TS]

  right at the point that people started [TS]

  fucking with their genes too much you [TS]

  could go to the county seat and buy [TS]

  stuff to put in the washer with your [TS]

  pants [TS]

  yeah you bleach your parents even before [TS]

  stone wash distressed this is but you [TS]

  wanted faded jeans it was not allocated [TS]

  it was after designer jeans have come [TS]

  and gone and we're back to the basics so [TS]

  to speak where you go when you die you [TS]

  know whether pants [TS]

  yeah you buy these you throw something [TS]

  in the washer all that stuff about how [TS]

  you're supposed to put your pants on and [TS]

  sit in a hot bath tub i do that [TS]

  yeah well your child of the eighties [TS]

  yeah but then I people keep wearing them [TS]

  that we're just going to bed with wet i [TS]

  know you go run into the ocean about [TS]

  this is mark or yeah Levi's this was you [TS]

  know this this turning point moment and [TS]

  and and what what burned into my head at [TS]

  that time was that the coolest thing the [TS]

  only way really properly to wear a pair [TS]

  of Levi's was a pair of Levi's that had [TS]

  the ring of a toucan in the back right [TS]

  pocket [TS]

  who are your two can't you've been [TS]

  carrying that you can back there until [TS]

  you have this ring in your genes that [TS]

  was how is that was SLP run from SOP [TS]

  standard operating procedure standard [TS]

  operating procedure absolutely and [TS]

  everybody everybody had a cam even if [TS]

  you didn't do it either one of those [TS]

  places that would throw up when you had [TS]

  a little bit of fucking skull and its [TS]

  really and he's still walking around [TS]

  with that in your pocket or are you but [TS]

  you'd buy a can of big-league to which [TS]

  was a butcher bubble government carried [TS]

  back until you got that ring in 1993-94 [TS]

  in Anchorage Alaska who you had a ring [TS]

  in the back your jeans but you guys have [TS]

  a personality a key like the mini ones [TS]

  just before Kodiak with everybody to [TS]

  Copenhagen or Nothing opening is the way [TS]

  to go but a lot of people this Kodiak is [TS]

  kind of the it is is a lot to get the [TS]

  best ratings Kodiak is a longer cut its [TS]

  it's got more sugar in it [TS]

  yeah and [TS]

  yeah I company introduced that they [TS]

  introduced the you know they the long [TS]

  cut it was you know well the the rumor [TS]

  of course with Kodiak was that they put [TS]

  a little bit of put a little bit of like [TS]

  fiberglass insulation so it would you [TS]

  cut your lip and you get more of an [TS]

  effect that's right now you cut your [TS]

  coke can catch up with glass right and [TS]

  that thing we all we all we all we all [TS]

  talk about this like it's absolutely [TS]

  true but i have no way of independently [TS]

  verifying you can't possibly put [TS]

  fiberglass insulation in ensuring [TS]

  tobacco that can't be I think that's one [TS]

  of the spider eggs and public things we [TS]

  all say you know what you can do is pour [TS]

  bourbon in there never occurred to me [TS]

  that's pretty good i chewed tobacco for [TS]

  a long time me too and I really enjoyed [TS]

  it [TS]

  it's the mix the most addictive thing in [TS]

  the world but then I had to I had to [TS]

  quit when I quit the other tobacco's [TS]

  you've got on and off cigarettes too i [TS]

  was i was amazed to see how quickly you [TS]

  go on and he set it aside [TS]

  leave it it's hard i used to Israeli [TS]

  fine when I would have it I would have a [TS]

  huge tip of Kodiak in my mouth and I [TS]

  would light a cigarette [TS]

  totally understandable yes except that [TS]

  it is you [TS]

  it's basically like taking your stomach [TS]

  out and kicking it down the road like [TS]

  you do not feel good with that much [TS]

  nicotine in your body you feel terrible [TS]

  but you also feel great great yeah but [TS]

  it's a mini get some Redman a little bit [TS]

  of busch beer that's North Florida buddy [TS]

  that is North Florida that some that [TS]

  some way down upon the swanee River [TS]

  around the skipper of the genes can tell [TS]

  you that i actually sorry i was in north [TS]

  Florida and ice like I came I was [TS]

  driving in a car and I came to a bridge [TS]

  and the sign said swanee River Who and I [TS]

  said she was 21 e21 he river Who and I [TS]

  said whatever the hell else I was doing [TS]

  today [TS]

  yep i am not doing it now i'm turning [TS]

  left and i'm driving to weigh down upon [TS]

  this river and i drove for miles and [TS]

  miles and miles down weird swampy [TS]

  Florida place where everybody where the [TS]

  houses are built on stilts [TS]

  and I drove and drove and drove until I [TS]

  got to the mouth of the swanee River and [TS]

  I parked the car and I got out I walked [TS]

  until I was standing there with my feet [TS]

  in the water and I was like haha yes [TS]

  check [TS]

  I'm way down upon the swanee River next [TS]

  it's not particularly distinguished as [TS]

  rivers go no and then there was like a [TS]

  little like a shitty little community of [TS]

  people living in boats there Florida [TS]

  wanted to do that I wanted to be part of [TS]

  one of those communities it was a place [TS]

  where at any moment I expected Burt [TS]

  Reynolds to like jump a car or jumper [TS]

  jetboat know you're talking I'm sorry [TS]

  you're talking about like will call the [TS]

  county type shit okay [TS]

  oh yeah you be some kind of revenuers [TS]

  chasing movie huh thats that's deke [TS]

  country [TS]

  yeah look what I got out of there was [TS]

  like there's no there's no reason [TS]

  there's a lot of things to be [TS]

  disappointed about in Florida [TS]

  I you know there's a lot of things that [TS]

  seem I mean this is true everywhere [TS]

  really really anything we're trying to [TS]

  attract you off of highway you know I [TS]

  think it's going to be a certain amount [TS]

  of snake oil to it [TS]

  yeah well but this is the thing about [TS]

  this was that was actually kind of [TS]

  surprised about this [TS]

  it was they didn't have like souvenir [TS]

  shop class list this year it was clear [TS]

  that no one was interested in people [TS]

  coming down here to be way down upon the [TS]

  swanee River who like there was not [TS]

  there was not a way there was no place [TS]

  to park there was not a player is not a [TS]

  there's no facility there was a Suwannee [TS]

  visitor station that was filling and [TS]

  Johnson there was not even a general [TS]

  store it was just some people living in [TS]

  boats and some houses on still expect a [TS]

  barrel and ATM nothing nothing of the [TS]

  kind of crackers I was like I am Here I [TS]

  am my whole life I've been saying way [TS]

  down upon the swanee River here i am I [TS]

  would like up i would like a flag i [TS]

  would like to get a postcard [TS]

  not a chance there were people peeping [TS]

  peeping out for by their parents going [TS]

  for the hell is that while the hills [TS]

  here it looks like one of them hipsters [TS]

  one of the rivers and I don't want to [TS]

  obsess about this but can you just go in [TS]

  the time we have remaining can give me [TS]

  just a very rough general idea of the [TS]

  place the Genesis bomb would have been [TS]

  super train [TS]

  oh interesting if you in as much as you [TS]

  can say because I mean it'sit's not to [TS]

  talk about it i mean it's it's your it's [TS]

  your system but [TS]

  I'm very intrigued by this idea because [TS]

  from reading comic books and science [TS]

  fiction things i'm aware of general the [TS]

  complexities of going into a new culture [TS]

  a new environment having to deal with [TS]

  that hostile environment again you know [TS]

  deliverance great example but you know [TS]

  having to go in somewhere where you [TS]

  really don't belong and then trying to [TS]

  make it like where you're from us the [TS]

  scene in apocalypse now redux where they [TS]

  show the scene with the French [TS]

  colonialists I hate that seemed they [TS]

  left it out [TS]

  I hate apocalypse now redux you do I [TS]

  because apocalypse now is a perfect big [TS]

  pretty good [TS]

  apocalypse now is perfect it does not [TS]

  meet any reduction mhm [TS]

  if you're smart to leave that scene out [TS]

  it's a little bit of a distraction it's [TS]

  like the copy scene in which divides [TS]

  like you can respond to that all the [TS]

  scenes out the scene where they are [TS]

  huddled with the playboy bunnies in the [TS]

  rain storm does not need to be there [TS]

  the extra scenes with kill core kildare [TS]

  then all the extra the robert duvall guy [TS]

  doesn't need another that needs to be [TS]

  there all that needs to happen is that [TS]

  at some point [TS]

  Martin Sheen says don't get out of the [TS]

  boat never get out of the boat also like [TS]

  Harrison Ford extreme prejudice [TS]

  he's pretty good you know they shot out [TS]

  of sequence you seen that movie right [TS]

  yeah you see heart of darkness [TS]

  yes great great everyone should see it [TS]

  appear listening to this program you [TS]

  should go watch hard sometimes I I just [TS]

  have to get that movie i'll just say [TS]

  that it resonates with me the idea of [TS]

  having a project that seems pretty [TS]

  doable innocent you start you start [TS]

  dealing it and then pretty soon you're [TS]

  sitting there with covered with flies [TS]

  like rewriting on your manual typewriter [TS]

  everything screaming yeah because deeply [TS]

  deeply profoundly undoable and your [TS]

  actors are tripping [TS]

  here's the thing about the genesis bomb [TS]

  if you watch star trek 3 the Genesis [TS]

  bomb is a giant planet remake er well [TS]

  super train is going to need is more of [TS]

  a Genesis mortar food where we you know [TS]

  we are recycling as we go we are we are [TS]

  turning the [TS]

  the all the old dumps we are churning [TS]

  we're recycling other trains as we pass [TS]

  them you know I mean like there are a [TS]

  lot of rusty old trains that iron can be [TS]

  put to better use we need to we just [TS]

  need to get all the precious metals in [TS]

  the and the cooking oil out of those [TS]

  rusty old trains and then as we leave [TS]

  we'll just hope lob a little Genesis [TS]

  mortar i like it could even be a little [TS]

  bit like a Genesis grenade its Genesis [TS]

  community this is like a six or maybe [TS]

  like a one-block area that needs to be a [TS]

  little bit more habitable for supertrain [TS]

  yeah we would paradise in our wake [TS]

  it's just invented transitive verb we [TS]

  paradise huh [TS]

  so we paradise we come through we r do [TS]

  we are helping people we are solving [TS]

  problems and then in our wake [TS]

  we're lobbying little Genesis grenades [TS]

  and with paradise in as we go [TS]

  oh look it's like it's like it done it's [TS]

  like a super train Appleseed it seems [TS]

  that you have a hit [TS]

  do you have a soft hand on your head [TS]

  relax saucepan you could do it no Steven [TS]