The Incomparable

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00:00:00   quinn marc production in color [TS]

00:00:03   tonight's episode singing the song hey [TS]

00:00:07   diddle diddle the cat and the bird [TS]

00:00:09   special guest star tony franciosa act 1 [TS]

00:00:13   and unusual delivery and Tom couple [TS]

00:00:21   number 181 february2014 go back to the [TS]

00:00:29   incomparable i'm your host Jason smell [TS]

00:00:31   and i'd like to introduce my panel we're [TS]

00:00:34   going to be discussing something not a [TS]

00:00:37   particular work more like a trend little [TS]

00:00:39   bit about casting a little bit about [TS]

00:00:41   franchises departure for us i think it [TS]

00:00:45   will be fun but I've been wrong before [TS]

00:00:47   so let's try it and see what happens [TS]

00:00:50   Andy and Nicole joins me for this [TS]

00:00:51   adventure the down strange paths hi Andy [TS]

00:00:54   hi Jason I today I good to have you here [TS]

00:00:57   Jason brightman is here not this is not [TS]

00:01:00   a comic book club episode but and it's [TS]

00:01:02   getting to where i am it's been a little [TS]

00:01:03   while but your back and it's great to [TS]

00:01:05   have you here back it's great to be here [TS]

00:01:07   thanks Erica and sign also joins us on [TS]

00:01:09   our adventure [TS]

00:01:10   hello hello David Laura also joins us [TS]

00:01:13   hello there the other day I'm i read a [TS]

00:01:15   new story about how Disney and paramount [TS]

00:01:18   and Lucasfilm which is owned by disney [TS]

00:01:21   now may I came to an arrangement for the [TS]

00:01:24   disposition of the Indiana Jones [TS]

00:01:26   franchise and most specifically the [TS]

00:01:29   first four or as we like to call it [TS]

00:01:31   three movies Indiana Jones series [TS]

00:01:34   why would we call it for I don't [TS]

00:01:36   understand that's a strange joke it [TS]

00:01:38   doesn't make any sense there are only [TS]

00:01:39   three Indiana Jones movies so they [TS]

00:01:42   remain in the possession of paramount [TS]

00:01:45   and of course Lucasfilm has its existing [TS]

00:01:48   relationship there and they share the [TS]

00:01:49   profits and whatever that is so future [TS]

00:01:51   blu ray sales and downloads and whatever [TS]

00:01:54   40 and a time will be shared but new [TS]

00:01:56   movies with the question was new movies [TS]

00:01:59   in the Indiana Jones series if ever [TS]

00:02:00   there would be some who would do them [TS]

00:02:02   what with the deal being so as a part of [TS]

00:02:04   this deal what terms undisclosed disney [TS]

00:02:07   can now make Indiana Jones movies and [TS]

00:02:09   that franchise can move forward and [TS]

00:02:10   Steven Spielberg and George Lucas [TS]

00:02:12   occasionally talk about [TS]

00:02:13   another Indiana Jones movie and it [TS]

00:02:15   struck me that Harrison Ford not a [TS]

00:02:18   spring chicken [TS]

00:02:19   he has as my notes say getting very old [TS]

00:02:21   he's he's you know he looks great but [TS]

00:02:24   he's getting up there [TS]

00:02:25   time time happens to everybody and I [TS]

00:02:29   thought to myself you know they're [TS]

00:02:31   inevitably they will cast a new Indiana [TS]

00:02:33   Jones at some point and that led me down [TS]

00:02:34   this interesting rabbit hole which is no [TS]

00:02:38   you can be the judge about with this [TS]

00:02:39   rabbit hole is interesting i can tell [TS]

00:02:40   you that there's been a rabbit down here [TS]

00:02:42   it's what happens when a character goes [TS]

00:02:45   from being a attached singularly to is [TS]

00:02:50   to an actor the character is the actor [TS]

00:02:52   and that's just how it is and that [TS]

00:02:54   moment where it becomes something [TS]

00:02:56   different now this this happens all the [TS]

00:02:58   time in let's say the theater where [TS]

00:03:00   you've got different actors playing the [TS]

00:03:01   role in different productions you know [TS]

00:03:04   Shakespeare's famous parts there's no [TS]

00:03:06   one definitive romeo juliet or King Lear [TS]

00:03:09   or any any character you can name [TS]

00:03:12   because that that part has been played [TS]

00:03:14   there may be ones that we like better a [TS]

00:03:15   hamlet that we like better or worse but [TS]

00:03:17   many actors play those parts but Indiana [TS]

00:03:20   Jones has only ever been at least as an [TS]

00:03:22   adult I know the young indiana jones bit [TS]

00:03:24   ly let's not go there [TS]

00:03:26   it'sit's Harrison for he is the main [TS]

00:03:29   Indiana Jones this was true with all the [TS]

00:03:31   Star Trek characters from the original [TS]

00:03:33   Star Trek until JJ Abrams reboot brought [TS]

00:03:36   in a new crew led by chris pine as james [TS]

00:03:39   t kirk instead of william shatner it's [TS]

00:03:42   also the moment in Doctor Who when they [TS]

00:03:46   decided that doctor who wasn't always [TS]

00:03:48   going to be a show starring william [TS]

00:03:51   hartnell but that they were at as [TS]

00:03:53   detailed in in the excellent TV movie an [TS]

00:03:56   adventure in space and time at the [TS]

00:03:58   moment where they said we're going to [TS]

00:03:59   get somebody else to play this part and [TS]

00:04:01   he's going to transform and become [TS]

00:04:02   Patrick Troughton James Bond another [TS]

00:04:05   good example so i thought that's what we [TS]

00:04:06   would talk about a little bit you know [TS]

00:04:08   worth worth an hour to check talk about [TS]

00:04:11   the pitfalls of making that transition [TS]

00:04:12   you know maybe what we would hope to see [TS]

00:04:15   in the future of the you know some [TS]

00:04:17   franchises do we do we like this idea [TS]

00:04:19   they've been for I think for Jack Ryan's [TS]

00:04:21   now on the movie screen but you know it [TS]

00:04:24   started with alec baldwin we thought [TS]

00:04:26   okay he's going to [TS]

00:04:27   with us a long time and then that was [TS]

00:04:28   one movie and out and about casting in [TS]

00:04:31   general you'll win when is apart so [TS]

00:04:33   iconic that should never be touched is [TS]

00:04:35   there could there ever be such a thing [TS]

00:04:37   you know so casting and franchises and [TS]

00:04:40   when franchises decide to move on and [TS]

00:04:43   move to a different actor this is what [TS]

00:04:45   this is what prompted me to have this [TS]

00:04:46   conversation now that I've kind of get [TS]

00:04:49   done my little brain dump of what I [TS]

00:04:51   wanted to talk about i guess i should [TS]

00:04:52   throw it out there to you guys we know [TS]

00:04:54   Eric let's start with you I know that [TS]

00:04:55   you and I definitely share a great [TS]

00:04:58   affinity for Doctor Who I that was [TS]

00:04:59   certainly one of the first things I [TS]

00:05:00   talked I thought about if if they the [TS]

00:05:02   producers of that show had decided that [TS]

00:05:04   it William Hartnell was the only person [TS]

00:05:06   who could play the doctor this show [TS]

00:05:08   would be essentially a footnote about [TS]

00:05:09   one of it like like quatermass it would [TS]

00:05:11   be this kind of quaint black-and-white [TS]

00:05:14   show on the BBC in the sixties that [TS]

00:05:17   nobody remembers anymore i really mean [TS]

00:05:18   more or less that's what has mostly [TS]

00:05:21   disappeared [TS]

00:05:22   heck yeah it's very hard not they're [TS]

00:05:24   just gone yeah what it would more of [TS]

00:05:26   them have even survived with it even if [TS]

00:05:28   business as a distributed [TS]

00:05:29   internationally if they had only had [TS]

00:05:31   those first two or three seasons [TS]

00:05:33   no probably not and I think I mean in in [TS]

00:05:36   addition to longevity which certainly [TS]

00:05:38   being able to change actors gives you [TS]

00:05:40   that I think a lot of people have argued [TS]

00:05:43   that the show [TS]

00:05:44   doctor who became what it was the day [TS]

00:05:47   that Patrick Troughton took over and not [TS]

00:05:49   because he was great although he was [TS]

00:05:50   definitely great but just because that [TS]

00:05:53   added that entirely new facet to the [TS]

00:05:55   show and took it in a different [TS]

00:05:58   direction for the first time ever I [TS]

00:05:59   think it was an incredibly bold move and [TS]

00:06:02   I'm it could have turned out terribly [TS]

00:06:05   and people could have could have [TS]

00:06:07   rebelled and stopped watching the show [TS]

00:06:08   and they didn't which you asked a [TS]

00:06:11   question a minute ago [TS]

00:06:13   are there any parts that are so iconic [TS]

00:06:14   that you just should never ever try to [TS]

00:06:17   recast them and personally I feel that [TS]

00:06:19   there's there's no such thing I think [TS]

00:06:21   it's always worth a try [TS]

00:06:24   most of the time it's probably not going [TS]

00:06:26   to work especially like remake some say [TS]

00:06:29   Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory I [TS]

00:06:31   was not a fan of that remake because I [TS]

00:06:33   thought that part was was perfectly [TS]

00:06:35   played by Gene Wilder but sometimes it [TS]

00:06:38   works out really well like in the Doctor [TS]

00:06:39   Who case [TS]

00:06:40   yeah and it ends up defining the show in [TS]

00:06:42   that show is I feel like that moment [TS]

00:06:44   when they when they cast Patrick [TS]

00:06:46   Troughton to replace William Hartnell is [TS]

00:06:48   the moment that the show went on its [TS]

00:06:49   path that would end up meaning that it [TS]

00:06:51   survived for 50 years and if you know [TS]

00:06:53   not just not just that there's no way if [TS]

00:06:55   you could have a show with one act for [TS]

00:06:57   50 years but that it it changed how we [TS]

00:07:01   thought of that character and and how [TS]

00:07:03   they defined that that show so it could [TS]

00:07:06   renew its itself David you are in [TS]

00:07:10   addition to writing crazy radio dramas [TS]

00:07:12   for us and appearing on almost every [TS]

00:07:14   panel that damn or it doesn't appear on [TS]

00:07:16   you write plays and so I i'm interested [TS]

00:07:20   in your perspective on this from the [TS]

00:07:21   theater side because obviously in the [TS]

00:07:23   theater you know the this isn't parts [TS]

00:07:26   aren't aren't sacred right it's not it [TS]

00:07:28   it's only in movies and TV where we [TS]

00:07:30   really see like oh no I can't believe [TS]

00:07:32   anybody else would be Indiana Jones [TS]

00:07:33   other than Harrison Ford [TS]

00:07:35   oh yeah I mean I'm you were used to [TS]

00:07:38   understudies you know if somebody gets [TS]

00:07:40   sick someone else is going to step into [TS]

00:07:42   that role and you'll find a little slip [TS]

00:07:43   in your ear playbill program that says [TS]

00:07:45   the role of so-and-so will be played at [TS]

00:07:48   this performance by blank and you know [TS]

00:07:51   even even roles that are iconic i mean i [TS]

00:07:55   don't know like Hello Dolly you know you [TS]

00:07:58   think of Carol Channing you might think [TS]

00:08:00   of probaly or Ethel Merman that hasn't [TS]

00:08:03   stopped hundreds and thousands of groups [TS]

00:08:06   from putting the show on you know you [TS]

00:08:09   always have that souvenir of say the [TS]

00:08:12   original cast recording for a musical [TS]

00:08:14   but that's that's how you learn the [TS]

00:08:17   songs when you gonna do in high school I [TS]

00:08:19   was thinking about an iconic stage stage [TS]

00:08:22   character set of characters might I gave [TS]

00:08:24   myself a laugh through my own stupidity [TS]

00:08:26   as I so often do when I thought you know [TS]

00:08:29   I I'm really proud of the fact that I i [TS]

00:08:31   well I was very lucky to see the [TS]

00:08:34   original cast of the producers on [TS]

00:08:36   Broadway so I got to see Nathan Lane and [TS]

00:08:38   Matthew Broderick which is great except [TS]

00:08:40   of course that the original characters [TS]

00:08:42   were zero mostel and gene wilder and his [TS]

00:08:46   right so they made it their own [TS]

00:08:50   you know you ETA you forgot all about [TS]

00:08:53   the move [TS]

00:08:53   be at least halfway through the show you [TS]

00:08:56   know at least in that production [TS]

00:08:58   I don't know about other other castes [TS]

00:09:01   but Mei remember when they were [TS]

00:09:05   previewing it and Nathan Lane went on I [TS]

00:09:08   guess was David Letterman and they did [TS]

00:09:10   the opening song basically and up until [TS]

00:09:13   that point it had been kind of you know [TS]

00:09:15   and I don't know if this is gonna work [TS]

00:09:17   and then they do the number and i think [TS]

00:09:19   was you know five minutes long and at [TS]

00:09:20   the end of this it's nito 1230 at night [TS]

00:09:22   I'm going [TS]

00:09:23   yes I want to see that now um so and i [TS]

00:09:27   love the move right there was no no sir [TS]

00:09:29   no sense of sacrilege happening there [TS]

00:09:31   no no not at all it's it's sort of like [TS]

00:09:34   you know you can ask people who was the [TS]

00:09:35   first actor to play James Bond nine out [TS]

00:09:38   of ten people are gonna go home Sean [TS]

00:09:40   Connery it was a guy named Barry Nelson [TS]

00:09:43   in 1955 1956 they did a one hour version [TS]

00:09:49   of casino royale for a CBS show called [TS]

00:09:52   climax [TS]

00:09:53   it's awful huh [TS]

00:09:57   he plays he plays them as an American [TS]

00:09:59   Jimmy bond we think of James Bond and [TS]

00:10:02   he's the closest thing we have to a Time [TS]

00:10:04   Lord who is not a Time Lord you don't [TS]

00:10:07   even people now saying i want to see [TS]

00:10:08   Idris Elba as James Bond well why not [TS]

00:10:11   yeah although the the Jimmy bond thing I [TS]

00:10:13   mean that I think some of this isn't is [TS]

00:10:15   not about who goes who goes first as [TS]

00:10:18   much as a who everybody meets in apart i [TS]

00:10:22   think there's something about that I'm [TS]

00:10:23   Connery right that that is it was on my [TS]

00:10:25   list for sure the idea of it that [TS]

00:10:27   Connery left we left why'd you only live [TS]

00:10:31   twice 11 and they replaced him with [TS]

00:10:35   George Lazenby but but that moment [TS]

00:10:38   Connor left i mean there is there is [TS]

00:10:39   also one of the issues here is will [TS]

00:10:41   audience acceptance I mean will the [TS]

00:10:43   audience except somebody other than sean [TS]

00:10:45   connery in a major motion pictures james [TS]

00:10:46   bond will they accept George lasenby [TS]

00:10:48   maybe not although I I think history a [TS]

00:10:51   lot of people now look back in that [TS]

00:10:53   movie and say it's actually not a bad [TS]

00:10:54   movie and he's fine or you know when [TS]

00:10:57   when Roger Moore you is another [TS]

00:10:59   larger-than-life figure replaces Sean [TS]

00:11:01   comic will people accept that will you [TS]

00:11:03   no will people accept [TS]

00:11:05   Zachary Quinto as Spock right we'll [TS]

00:11:08   we'll people except somebody as the [TS]

00:11:10   second person in the in the part and [TS]

00:11:13   then you know Indiana Jones again to [TS]

00:11:15   come back to that will people except [TS]

00:11:17   some you know modern 35 year old actor [TS]

00:11:20   getting cast as Indiana Jones movie yeah [TS]

00:11:22   what it's like back in the fifties when [TS]

00:11:25   the Lone Ranger was you know a popular [TS]

00:11:27   show on television and supposedly [TS]

00:11:32   clayton moore asked for a raise because [TS]

00:11:35   well it's a popular show and they said [TS]

00:11:37   that anyone can put on the mask so for [TS]

00:11:40   one year in the middle of that run the [TS]

00:11:42   lone Ranger's played by an actor named [TS]

00:11:44   john hart and the audience revolted and [TS]

00:11:47   one year later boom there's clayton [TS]

00:11:48   moore and he got his rays and and you [TS]

00:11:52   think he's wearing a hat and a mask the [TS]

00:11:54   whole time [TS]

00:11:55   what's the difference but there's just [TS]

00:11:57   something in the way he played it i [TS]

00:11:59   don't know there's definitely a [TS]

00:12:00   difference [TS]

00:12:01   I mean I just thinking of Babylon 5 when [TS]

00:12:03   I'm not often on character who is under [TS]

00:12:05   so much makeup you can barely tell who's [TS]

00:12:07   who [TS]

00:12:08   they changed actresses for a one-season [TS]

00:12:10   i think it was [TS]

00:12:11   yeah and yeah I was displeased you can [TS]

00:12:15   tell I'm not the same person [TS]

00:12:16   yeah yeah I mean she was fine but just [TS]

00:12:17   to die it wasn't the Natasha had come to [TS]

00:12:20   normal huh [TS]

00:12:21   Andy what do you think about this [TS]

00:12:23   subject [TS]

00:12:25   well we talked about a whole bunch of [TS]

00:12:26   different circumstances here you have I [TS]

00:12:29   i also had a Hello Dolly though i was i [TS]

00:12:31   have the more the more glaring [TS]

00:12:33   difference between is did the diviners [TS]

00:12:35   check Carol Channing and Barbra [TS]

00:12:36   Streisand who was a high-wattage [TS]

00:12:38   Broadway superpower even at the time so [TS]

00:12:42   i can understand why that deal was [TS]

00:12:43   struck but what a damn shame that Carol [TS]

00:12:46   Channing's performance was not recorded [TS]

00:12:48   for posterity [TS]

00:12:49   although perhaps given how bad that [TS]

00:12:50   movie was it was ok i mean you have you [TS]

00:12:53   have heavy [TS]

00:12:54   ok I'm sorry will begin looking back on [TS]

00:12:56   track there are lots of its on the stage [TS]

00:12:59   there's a tradition that here is the [TS]

00:13:02   here is the script for the players the [TS]

00:13:03   music for the play we're going to cast [TS]

00:13:05   and we're gonna mount various production [TS]

00:13:06   so that's kind of goes with those par [TS]

00:13:08   for the course and then there are also [TS]

00:13:10   times when a character just fails to [TS]

00:13:14   launch with the original casting [TS]

00:13:16   yeah you were brought up course James [TS]

00:13:19   Bond but also peter sellers wasn't the [TS]

00:13:21   first person to play clue so that was [TS]

00:13:23   actually Alan Arkin hookah who else [TS]

00:13:25   could play lieutenant Columbo but Peter [TS]

00:13:27   Falk but there was an acrobat by the [TS]

00:13:29   name of bird freed who played the [TS]

00:13:30   trombone the original pilot and you [TS]

00:13:34   could certainly say that those [TS]

00:13:35   characters and those actors prove that [TS]

00:13:37   these characters weren't really great in [TS]

00:13:39   and of themselves that required exactly [TS]

00:13:41   the right actor to bring them to life [TS]

00:13:43   but it's a different thing when you [TS]

00:13:47   start talking about you have an [TS]

00:13:49   established character like hella like [TS]

00:13:51   Indiana Jones i almost said Harrison [TS]

00:13:53   Ford because it's it's her husband Lord [TS]

00:13:57   will now be played by decra spine see [TS]

00:14:00   all the hairs Lord story you'll get [TS]

00:14:02   chris pine you put on for you would put [TS]

00:14:04   on press the prosthetics to make him [TS]

00:14:06   look like Harrison Ford and then put [TS]

00:14:07   prosthetics on top of that to make it [TS]

00:14:09   look like Harrison Ford wearing makeup [TS]

00:14:11   I think Chris Pine should play every [TS]

00:14:13   part that gets it gets expensive it gets [TS]

00:14:15   it gets complicated right every part now [TS]

00:14:17   it is it's it's hard to contemplate [TS]

00:14:21   though because on the one hand we want [TS]

00:14:24   to say that but these Indiana Jones [TS]

00:14:27   movies are fine they're perfect they're [TS]

00:14:29   great [TS]

00:14:30   there's really no need to start them all [TS]

00:14:32   over again if not for the fifth not for [TS]

00:14:35   the the necessity of Hollywood to say [TS]

00:14:37   that we need to reboot the franchise me [TS]

00:14:40   to start creating new movies we can't [TS]

00:14:41   the weed we can't just simply rely on [TS]

00:14:43   the equity that we built out of these uh [TS]

00:14:45   these four movies that we can keep [TS]

00:14:47   selling forever and ever and ever and [TS]

00:14:49   the thing is they're not going to cast a [TS]

00:14:51   35 year old actor they're going to cast [TS]

00:14:53   a 23 24 25 year old actor and it's [TS]

00:14:56   probably not going to be somebody who [TS]

00:14:57   starts off with so that brings so much [TS]

00:15:00   to the bank as Harrison Ford did [TS]

00:15:02   remember that by the time that he was he [TS]

00:15:05   was that he was the guy we knew from [TS]

00:15:07   Star Wars it was it was Han Solo in the [TS]

00:15:10   thirties as an archaeologist and he [TS]

00:15:13   brought that with them from frame 1 of [TS]

00:15:15   that movie and you can't imagine even [TS]

00:15:18   someone 35 years old to 35 year old [TS]

00:15:21   actor today who could jump into that [TS]

00:15:23   role and instantly kick-started that way [TS]

00:15:25   you certainly can't imagine a 25-year [TS]

00:15:27   old actor [TS]

00:15:28   doing that particularly given that they [TS]

00:15:30   have two sisters from frame 1 they have [TS]

00:15:33   to make us forget about Harrison Ford [TS]

00:15:35   and it's it's I know this how Hollywood [TS]

00:15:39   works but you're kind of frustrated by [TS]

00:15:40   that the last guy I just like I think [TS]

00:15:44   everybody else they can come off their [TS]

00:15:45   list of you know trying to say someone [TS]

00:15:48   is gonna be the first to say Darren [TS]

00:15:49   Stevens so I can't say there and Stevens [TS]

00:15:51   but i found as i was writing up this [TS]

00:15:53   list I can I was surprised to find [TS]

00:15:57   myself writing down charlie brown that [TS]

00:16:00   sort of proves two sides of this of this [TS]

00:16:03   coin that of it was very radical when [TS]

00:16:06   they in the city in the sixties when [TS]

00:16:09   they cast actual children in the voice [TS]

00:16:11   of the Peanuts characters for the first [TS]

00:16:13   TV commercial then the then the first [TS]

00:16:15   special and as they age out of the role [TS]

00:16:18   they would hire new children to play [TS]

00:16:20   those roles you don't have a consistency [TS]

00:16:21   that you would have liked of of a bart [TS]

00:16:24   simpson so but that's kind of okay [TS]

00:16:26   because you know the you understand that [TS]

00:16:29   that's that's how they do that through [TS]

00:16:30   the character however now that we know [TS]

00:16:33   that they're working on a new version [TS]

00:16:35   new peanuts movie that is going to be [TS]

00:16:38   done in 3d and to me this is almost [TS]

00:16:42   exactly like recasting the character [TS]

00:16:45   because in the UK even in traditional 2d [TS]

00:16:49   animation you could not get animation [TS]

00:16:52   that was flattered than the animation [TS]

00:16:54   you'd have in the peanuts specials and [TS]

00:16:56   the penis movies [TS]

00:16:57   I mean it really is like looking at [TS]

00:16:59   flatland you had characters that [TS]

00:17:00   couldn't even that they build lenses [TS]

00:17:02   which was talking about how how hard it [TS]

00:17:04   was the first time they had animate [TS]

00:17:06   Charlie Brown and Snoopy because these [TS]

00:17:08   characters had never been designed to do [TS]

00:17:10   something as simple as touch the top of [TS]

00:17:11   their heads they're so flat and so now [TS]

00:17:14   they have to sort of recast them and try [TS]

00:17:16   to figure out how does this work in 3d [TS]

00:17:19   how does this not only doesn't work in [TS]

00:17:20   three dimensions but how does it work in [TS]

00:17:22   something approximating natural lighting [TS]

00:17:25   where they finally have to say finally [TS]

00:17:26   have to answer the question of what does [TS]

00:17:28   Charlie Brown's head really look like is [TS]

00:17:31   he bald or does he have just like light [TS]

00:17:34   blonde hair that's like--that's so short [TS]

00:17:36   that it it gets drawn as just a few [TS]

00:17:38   wisps of hair [TS]

00:17:39   and so it's it's just part of it but [TS]

00:17:42   quick gets down to in all these cases is [TS]

00:17:43   the user interface between the the [TS]

00:17:46   viewer and the movie itself that if a [TS]

00:17:49   character is so closely matched and [TS]

00:17:51   people's heads to Harrison Ford or to [TS]

00:17:53   the way we see Charlie Brown all the [TS]

00:17:55   time it's just going to be such a [TS]

00:17:58   failure of user interface will not be [TS]

00:17:59   able to get into this movie because [TS]

00:18:01   we're going to say [TS]

00:18:02   Shia LaBeouf is not Indiana Jones I [TS]

00:18:04   don't see anybody don't see him [TS]

00:18:06   I don't see him getting out of a problem [TS]

00:18:08   of not being able to open a carton of [TS]

00:18:10   milk let alone being face-to-face with [TS]

00:18:13   temple by a giant rolling stone ball [TS]

00:18:16   that's that's the problem facing he goes [TS]

00:18:18   into the big the big cavern and there's [TS]

00:18:20   a sitting on the pedestal is the is a [TS]

00:18:23   carton of milk and he's like Africans [TS]

00:18:24   we're gonna go where do they make this [TS]

00:18:26   so hard for you could've ended then you [TS]

00:18:28   pull damn so Andy's a gonna just going [TS]

00:18:32   to subtitle this this episode when they [TS]

00:18:34   ruin everything everything you know the [TS]

00:18:38   same let me just post script that it's [TS]

00:18:41   it's always worth trying because because [TS]

00:18:44   there's always if if it's horrible the [TS]

00:18:47   original movie is still there [TS]

00:18:48   I i agree with you that I'd that the the [TS]

00:18:51   remake of Willy Wonka absolutely did [TS]

00:18:55   nothing for me but that didn't affect [TS]

00:18:56   the fact that there's still the gene [TS]

00:18:57   wilder version is still perfect and [TS]

00:18:59   there's always a chance it'll be very [TS]

00:19:01   very good so he gotta get you got it you [TS]

00:19:04   got except that just because you know [TS]

00:19:06   are the new generation Spock might not [TS]

00:19:09   be the same as the spot we grew up in [TS]

00:19:11   its / is a perfectly valid Spock it's [TS]

00:19:14   perfectly sturdy dr. it's a perfectly ok [TS]

00:19:17   no it's fine it's fine it'll work [TS]

00:19:20   alright time to take a break and talk [TS]

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00:21:32   beautiful flowers that are still [TS]

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00:21:35   think i mentioned Shakespeare earlier i [TS]

00:21:37   think that was that was the pitch the JJ [TS]

00:21:38   Abrams I know took to the actors when he [TS]

00:21:40   was trying to cast them in the in the [TS]

00:21:42   Star Trek relaunch he said look I don't [TS]

00:21:45   don't do a wave Shatner impression [TS]

00:21:47   oh god don't do that i'm going to do you [TS]

00:21:50   know consider consider all those you [TS]

00:21:52   know classic Shakespeare characters that [TS]

00:21:54   everybody brings their own [TS]

00:21:55   interpretation of the part you know [TS]

00:21:57   interpret Captain Kirk interpret mr. [TS]

00:21:59   Spock don't do an impression although [TS]

00:22:02   there are a few moments and JJ Abrams [TS]

00:22:03   first Star Trek movie where there [TS]

00:22:05   are some uh I think intentional [TS]

00:22:07   impressions uh Karl Urban does a divorce [TS]

00:22:10   Kelly in a couple of parts that's great [TS]

00:22:11   and that's not linked the its brief but [TS]

00:22:14   it's it's a good scowl and continuity [TS]

00:22:17   exists he was cast for his eyes his [TS]

00:22:18   eyebrows yeah he's going to have [TS]

00:22:20   articulated eyebrows to be McCoy after [TS]

00:22:22   that do whatever you want just inhabit [TS]

00:22:25   behalf but think of the character don't [TS]

00:22:26   think the actor think of the character [TS]

00:22:27   and try to be true as an actor to this [TS]

00:22:29   to this character now I you know any [TS]

00:22:31   other Jones III wasn't even suggesting [TS]

00:22:34   that they would remake raiders of the [TS]

00:22:35   lost ark got that terrifies me but just [TS]

00:22:37   the idea that they make new Indiana [TS]

00:22:39   Jones would say this is Indiana Jones in [TS]

00:22:41   the you know and just like let's pretend [TS]

00:22:44   it never happened and just go on a new [TS]

00:22:46   YouTube in the twenties and I you know [TS]

00:22:48   jason reitman you've been a little [TS]

00:22:50   you've been a little quiet i want to get [TS]

00:22:51   you into the action here what do you [TS]

00:22:52   think about all this [TS]

00:22:54   yeah well i think the and he brings up a [TS]

00:22:57   good point about being too close to the [TS]

00:23:00   one that comes before I think the [TS]

00:23:01   superman movie superman returns with [TS]

00:23:04   Brandon Roth oh yeah it was too much [TS]

00:23:07   like trying to be Christopher Reeve in [TS]

00:23:10   the movie was a little bit too much like [TS]

00:23:11   an homage to the ones that come before [TS]

00:23:13   and it didn't work he definitely was i [TS]

00:23:16   you got the sense he was cast because he [TS]

00:23:18   was the most Christopher Reeve like [TS]

00:23:21   after not right and certainly the most [TS]

00:23:22   Superman like just read like of all the [TS]

00:23:25   Christopher Reeves around here the [TS]

00:23:26   Christopher radius exactly anything like [TS]

00:23:30   the the ones that i think are really [TS]

00:23:31   successful or like the doctor who's or [TS]

00:23:33   James Bond where they don't try to it [TS]

00:23:36   they reinvent the show or the movie not [TS]

00:23:39   just recast the character because the [TS]

00:23:42   the first three doctors those shows bear [TS]

00:23:45   no resemblance to each other they're [TS]

00:23:46   completely different shows the little [TS]

00:23:49   bit less so in the modern era but in the [TS]

00:23:52   James Bond like Daniel Craig is a [TS]

00:23:53   completely different bond then all the [TS]

00:23:57   ones that came before because it's the [TS]

00:24:00   movies are of a different time and [TS]

00:24:01   they're not trying to be the spy drama [TS]

00:24:04   anymore at least not in Casino Royale [TS]

00:24:07   which was his most successful the the in [TS]

00:24:12   that one [TS]

00:24:13   I forget who was it said that you had to [TS]

00:24:15   sort of like captured from the very [TS]

00:24:16   first moment i was against Daniel Craig [TS]

00:24:18   when he was cast because he didn't look [TS]

00:24:20   like bond he was you know blonde and [TS]

00:24:22   Jack and I was completely against it [TS]

00:24:25   even as the movie began but by the last [TS]

00:24:29   scene where he finally says bond James [TS]

00:24:32   Bond I had like he was the only bond [TS]

00:24:35   yeah yeah yeahs that point and they sort [TS]

00:24:37   of used the movie to transition the [TS]

00:24:39   audience as it's all about the magic of [TS]

00:24:41   casting where I was having a discussion [TS]

00:24:43   met at the Denver Comic Con on a panel [TS]

00:24:45   ones because they're people who they're [TS]

00:24:47   getting also they're getting all worried [TS]

00:24:49   because there's rumors that oh my god [TS]

00:24:51   they're thinking about the new Fantastic [TS]

00:24:53   Four reboot they're thinking about [TS]

00:24:54   casting a black actor as a human torch [TS]

00:24:56   we cannot have this happen and the thing [TS]

00:24:59   is it's it's all about casting the right [TS]

00:25:00   actor with if the if you cast the right [TS]

00:25:02   actor guaranteed like three minutes [TS]

00:25:04   after they make their first appearance [TS]

00:25:06   you the the audience forgets all about [TS]

00:25:09   whatever they thought this character [TS]

00:25:10   look like getting back to the producers [TS]

00:25:13   i also was lucky enough to see the [TS]

00:25:15   producers during the Broadway run and to [TS]

00:25:17   me whenever I think of max max [TS]

00:25:19   Bialystock now I style i think of Nathan [TS]

00:25:22   Lane I don't think of you know I I don't [TS]

00:25:25   think of the original actor i still [TS]

00:25:26   think of gene wilder as as Leo because I [TS]

00:25:30   don't think Matthew Broderick really [TS]

00:25:31   worked but again if you cast right it [TS]

00:25:34   thatthat's 95 percentile our 10 months [TS]

00:25:36   tellin it and Matthew Broderick are [TS]

00:25:38   sitting on the sidelines clutching their [TS]

00:25:40   blankies now the phenomenon of of making [TS]

00:25:45   it different enough and not trying to [TS]

00:25:47   get two copies is similar to just kind [TS]

00:25:49   of in a flipped way what actors go [TS]

00:25:51   through when you have an actor that's [TS]

00:25:52   known for playing one particular role [TS]

00:25:55   when they move on and leave that show or [TS]

00:25:58   whatever it is to try to do something [TS]

00:26:00   different or do something else if they'd [TS]

00:26:02   pick another role that's very similar to [TS]

00:26:04   the first roll [TS]

00:26:05   it's just like a pale carbon copy of [TS]

00:26:07   that and I think a lot of x axis actors [TS]

00:26:09   really excel when they tried to change [TS]

00:26:11   it up and go for something different and [TS]

00:26:13   I think it works the same way with [TS]

00:26:14   characters if you are trying to copy [TS]

00:26:16   make you know another Christopher Reeve [TS]

00:26:18   ease Superman it's it's it's clearly [TS]

00:26:21   just imitation and it falls on its face [TS]

00:26:24   real fast [TS]

00:26:25   I guess that's the genius of casting and [TS]

00:26:27   originally he wasn't going to be Indiana [TS]

00:26:29   Jones forecasting Harrison Ford is in [TS]

00:26:31   the energy [TS]

00:26:31   was it really played off of his success [TS]

00:26:34   as han Solo and it was essentially the [TS]

00:26:37   same people involved in doing it and so [TS]

00:26:39   maybe that's the exception that proves [TS]

00:26:41   the rule but I i think that's true okay [TS]

00:26:44   you knew this guy he was a lovable rogue [TS]

00:26:46   he is lovable rogue ear again over here [TS]

00:26:49   when it's it's really weird to imagine [TS]

00:26:52   Tom Selleck was the first choice and the [TS]

00:26:56   only reason he couldn't do it was [TS]

00:26:57   because that they picked up the pilot [TS]

00:26:59   for magnum and so you know when magma [TS]

00:27:02   zone and that story came out of it [TS]

00:27:04   well MB be interesting i don't know and [TS]

00:27:06   you know I saw high road to China and [TS]

00:27:08   when no no I see what they were going [TS]

00:27:11   for the right i mean david hate you and [TS]

00:27:13   I are right [TS]

00:27:14   RRR Meg me I aficionados we can say and [TS]

00:27:18   and like Indiana Jones like Harrison [TS]

00:27:20   Ford is Indiana Jones magnum he's all [TS]

00:27:23   again one of those heroes who is human [TS]

00:27:25   and gets hurt and is not you know Johnny [TS]

00:27:28   square job but actually is like you get [TS]

00:27:31   the sense that it's a lot of hard work [TS]

00:27:32   and it sometimes is quite painful to be [TS]

00:27:34   an adventurer and and and I so I get it [TS]

00:27:38   I get what they were going for with with [TS]

00:27:40   him thinking of him for that part [TS]

00:27:41   because you know I could see him playing [TS]

00:27:43   something like that but you don't know [TS]

00:27:45   not Harrison and in i think was like [TS]

00:27:47   maybe the next last episode or two [TS]

00:27:50   episodes from the end of magnum they did [TS]

00:27:52   an episode called legend of the lost art [TS]

00:27:54   and and he's got the leather jacket in [TS]

00:27:57   the fedora he's doing the whole Indiana [TS]

00:27:59   Jones thing and and when I watched that [TS]

00:28:01   the first time I went now now this is [TS]

00:28:06   why i think the most part actors who are [TS]

00:28:07   smart they don't get they don't get too [TS]

00:28:09   upset that I like I was supposed to be [TS]

00:28:11   Marty McFly and I can they precast me [TS]

00:28:14   and I think I could have been this [TS]

00:28:15   legendary guide had these three movies [TS]

00:28:17   sorry [TS]

00:28:18   the old sarum exactly that but that's [TS]

00:28:20   but that that I think I think the smart [TS]

00:28:22   actor says no this became a huge success [TS]

00:28:24   because they put that person in that [TS]

00:28:27   role of my it might have been a [TS]

00:28:28   different kind of success had I had that [TS]

00:28:30   movie but this is not they could have [TS]

00:28:31   just put anybody in that role and had [TS]

00:28:33   Indiana Jones casting is huge right [TS]

00:28:35   casting there are there are TV shows and [TS]

00:28:39   in movies too but I think about it with [TS]

00:28:40   TV shows especially the ones that they [TS]

00:28:42   go on to last eight or nine years that [TS]

00:28:44   that I look at it and say you know [TS]

00:28:46   sitcoms yes there are better set comes [TS]

00:28:48   in there are worse that comes but there [TS]

00:28:49   are also lots of succumbs that are fine [TS]

00:28:52   they're mediocre they're fine they're [TS]

00:28:53   they're funny they're good they're well [TS]

00:28:55   written but what are the ones that last [TS]

00:28:58   and become huge hits and without without [TS]

00:29:01   fail i would say it's because of the [TS]

00:29:04   casting because they got the right [TS]

00:29:06   actors i watched a actually watched a [TS]

00:29:09   documentary on Three's Company last [TS]

00:29:11   night and I hadn't realized that the [TS]

00:29:14   that the the pilot that actually aired [TS]

00:29:16   was the third version of the pilot [TS]

00:29:18   because they had to change actors i mean [TS]

00:29:20   they had John Ritter from the very [TS]

00:29:22   beginning but they just at first didn't [TS]

00:29:24   did not hit it with the first two girls [TS]

00:29:27   and then try to get and then finally on [TS]

00:29:29   the third time they ended up with [TS]

00:29:31   Suzanne Somers and George do with her [TS]

00:29:33   name is escaping just wait yes thank you [TS]

00:29:35   very much and like that was the magic [TS]

00:29:37   the magic key and then when Suzanne [TS]

00:29:39   Somers left they tried to replace her [TS]

00:29:42   and didn't do it right the first time [TS]

00:29:43   and ended up with one season and out and [TS]

00:29:47   and then hit on the nurse after that I [TS]

00:29:50   think Jack Tripper also sitting on the [TS]

00:29:52   nurse after that I'm sorry [TS]

00:29:55   singing man i don't want your baby later [TS]

00:29:58   the the original pilot was written by [TS]

00:30:01   Larry Gelbart who did mash and you know [TS]

00:30:05   funny thing happened on the way to the [TS]

00:30:06   forum and all these you know great [TS]

00:30:08   things and it didn't work either [TS]

00:30:11   and you don't see his name associated [TS]

00:30:12   with threes company anywhere except in a [TS]

00:30:15   flip so so it's inside combination of [TS]

00:30:18   you know I mean pretty much john ritter [TS]

00:30:21   was it and as soon as they fixed [TS]

00:30:23   everything around him that kind of work [TS]

00:30:26   yeah cap I'm casting us is is so huge [TS]

00:30:29   and and you can see when they get it [TS]

00:30:30   wrong when they get it right well a [TS]

00:30:31   coupling which we mentioned before on [TS]

00:30:33   the show that they took Steven Moffat [TS]

00:30:35   scripts which are brilliant and coupling [TS]

00:30:37   is one of my favorite sitcoms of all [TS]

00:30:38   time and and I designed that the DVD [TS]

00:30:43   packaging for that just throwing that [TS]

00:30:45   out [TS]

00:30:45   yes that's right i have that DVD have [TS]

00:30:48   the right to have them [TS]

00:30:49   yes that was it in an earlier life jason [TS]

00:30:51   reitman design that packaging and then [TS]

00:30:53   they just took those scripts and made [TS]

00:30:55   them in America with new people [TS]

00:30:58   some actors of whom have gone on to have [TS]

00:31:00   other roles and shown that they're [TS]

00:31:02   perfectly fine actors and it was a [TS]

00:31:03   disaster [TS]

00:31:04   it was a disaster and it wasn't the [TS]

00:31:06   scripts were bad it was that the the [TS]

00:31:09   scripts and the people didn't go [TS]

00:31:10   together and it failed and you know and [TS]

00:31:13   the UK the same scripts were brilliant [TS]

00:31:14   and it wasn't the accents and was not [TS]

00:31:16   the accidents that were the problem is [TS]

00:31:18   totally the accidents there's a little [TS]

00:31:20   bit more sense i think i think that's I [TS]

00:31:22   think that's part of the key here that [TS]

00:31:24   if they were to cast a new actor as [TS]

00:31:27   Superman as Indiana Jones as any bending [TS]

00:31:30   famous name as Colombo's any famous name [TS]

00:31:33   you want to mention and they tried to [TS]

00:31:35   tell the audience that this is the exact [TS]

00:31:37   same movie series this is Indiana Jones [TS]

00:31:39   chapter 5 this happens after crystal [TS]

00:31:41   skull try to ignore the fact that this [TS]

00:31:42   is not Harrison for the role but this is [TS]

00:31:44   the same story that you spent the past [TS]

00:31:46   20 years watching we would not buy or [TS]

00:31:48   lease would be a and B inhumanly [TS]

00:31:50   difficult thing for that movie to pull [TS]

00:31:52   off whereas if you say that this is a [TS]

00:31:55   brand that we're rebooting it this is a [TS]

00:31:57   brand new series we're starting a brand [TS]

00:31:59   new Superman series we're starting a [TS]

00:32:00   brand new star trek series with new [TS]

00:32:03   actors there is some legacy with the old [TS]

00:32:06   one but we're not saying that this has [TS]

00:32:08   any sort of logical through line from [TS]

00:32:11   whatever stories or whatever scenarios [TS]

00:32:13   were from the original then when you [TS]

00:32:15   start off with this clean slate like [TS]

00:32:16   that i think it just prepares the [TS]

00:32:18   audience to accept that this is going to [TS]

00:32:20   be some things that are brand-new from [TS]

00:32:22   here on out I mean doctor who is [TS]

00:32:24   certainly going to be is the difference [TS]

00:32:25   here because they're they're sort of [TS]

00:32:27   explicitly saying no this is this the [TS]

00:32:29   the doctor regenerates so there's going [TS]

00:32:31   to be a new people even in James Bond I [TS]

00:32:35   think that part I think that most James [TS]

00:32:38   Bond fans write a little bit of [TS]

00:32:40   backstory a little bit of that says that [TS]

00:32:44   at some point this there's no way that [TS]

00:32:46   james bond that the the the spy who is [TS]

00:32:49   carrying the name james bond is going to [TS]

00:32:50   live forever he's gonna get killed in [TS]

00:32:52   action at which point they simply take [TS]

00:32:54   his car they take his ID they take his [TS]

00:32:57   stuff and give it to the next guy who's [TS]

00:32:59   going to be dead in three in three years [TS]

00:33:01   anyway and make him James Bond because [TS]

00:33:03   it wasn't under where it says that on [TS]

00:33:04   the back and in the opening in the [TS]

00:33:07   opening scene of on her majesty's secret [TS]

00:33:08   service George Lazenby [TS]

00:33:10   his bond hinted that he says this never [TS]

00:33:13   happened to the other guy the other guy [TS]

00:33:15   yeah this is this is why I always I [TS]

00:33:17   always I i like the rock a lot more than [TS]

00:33:20   I probably should because i always see [TS]

00:33:22   it's a James Bond movie i always see it [TS]

00:33:25   as this this is again at the at the end [TS]

00:33:27   of shark honorees last likes to do it [TS]

00:33:30   that adventure ended with James Bond [TS]

00:33:32   being thrown into jail and of course his [TS]

00:33:34   Majesty's Secret Service had a disavow [TS]

00:33:36   them completely so he's just been [TS]

00:33:37   rotting in jail for 30 years and we're [TS]

00:33:39   seeing a great james bond money with [TS]

00:33:42   nicolas cage as a Bond girl that's where [TS]

00:33:44   it falls down [TS]

00:33:45   it's not as noted that when you know [TS]

00:33:47   kissing royale is a good example where [TS]

00:33:49   we're seeing behind the beginning and [TS]

00:33:50   yet it's not as sort of like made to fit [TS]

00:33:53   into some continuity although the most [TS]

00:33:55   recent bond they get the old aston [TS]

00:33:58   martin and it's like oh it's this old [TS]

00:34:00   car and he's like supposedly knows about [TS]

00:34:02   it it's like but it's like 2013 and this [TS]

00:34:05   but it doesn't really make any sense a [TS]

00:34:07   but other than as a nod to the past but [TS]

00:34:09   I liked that it was it was 15th [TS]

00:34:10   anniversary it was common sure we're [TS]

00:34:13   starting fresh and it's and it's fine [TS]

00:34:15   and Batman Begins is the same way right [TS]

00:34:17   there's no there's no baggage there it's [TS]

00:34:19   like here's Christian Bale he's Bruce [TS]

00:34:21   Wayne he's gonna learn to be Batman and [TS]

00:34:23   we're coming on that journey with him I [TS]

00:34:25   I can't believe we haven't mentioned [TS]

00:34:27   we've talked about so many seventies TV [TS]

00:34:29   shows which is the direction i didn't [TS]

00:34:31   think this would go [TS]

00:34:32   colombo Three's Company magnum p.i SATs [TS]

00:34:34   ok old TV shows we haven't talked about [TS]

00:34:37   Batman which is another thing which is [TS]

00:34:39   not quite original actor because there [TS]

00:34:40   were lots of original actors like with [TS]

00:34:42   Superman and yet that's it that's a case [TS]

00:34:44   to where you have to keep rethinking the [TS]

00:34:45   part well yeah every version of that is [TS]

00:34:48   different we add the the cereals in the [TS]

00:34:49   forties which are wonderful when you [TS]

00:34:52   watch them with rifftrax and then the [TS]

00:34:55   Adam West the Adam West one which is [TS]

00:34:57   intentionally funny and then let's see [TS]

00:35:00   didn't really I mean you had the cartoon [TS]

00:35:02   version in the seventies which was okay [TS]

00:35:06   right and then you didn't like a [TS]

00:35:09   live-action Batman until Michael Keaton [TS]

00:35:11   who is again completely different p.m. [TS]

00:35:14   at least in that case the source [TS]

00:35:15   material had gone through so many [TS]

00:35:17   iterations from the 30 to 40 to 50 right [TS]

00:35:20   that it [TS]

00:35:22   there is so many aspects to that [TS]

00:35:24   character that you can take all these [TS]

00:35:26   different takes already exists in the [TS]

00:35:28   source material of the bob kane Batman [TS]

00:35:30   the neal adams Batman the john byrne [TS]

00:35:32   Batman the frank miller Batman that they [TS]

00:35:34   looked around had already been played [TS]

00:35:36   pretty well yeah yeah one of the [TS]

00:35:38   earliest examples of this is back in the [TS]

00:35:41   forties there was a series of films [TS]

00:35:43   about a hero named the Falcon didn't [TS]

00:35:45   dresses anything he was like this ain't [TS]

00:35:47   where it's just sort of the suave [TS]

00:35:48   debonair crime-solving guy and he was [TS]

00:35:52   played by george sanders and after a [TS]

00:35:54   couple of movies Sanders said you know [TS]

00:35:56   what I don't want to do this anymore and [TS]

00:35:58   so they they wrote a film called the [TS]

00:36:00   Falcons brother and his brother shows up [TS]

00:36:03   and they solve a crime together and then [TS]

00:36:05   tom conway keeps playing the Falcon he [TS]

00:36:07   just assumes the name from his brother [TS]

00:36:09   and that's the rest of the series which [TS]

00:36:10   that's a different way of doing it but [TS]

00:36:12   it's kind of inspiring middle segment [TS]

00:36:16   there though [TS]

00:36:17   yes Alan and his brother into this and [TS]

00:36:19   it sounds set so sweet i was find the [TS]

00:36:23   audience reaction to this very [TS]

00:36:26   interesting i think i think it's a [TS]

00:36:29   little different when you have a show as [TS]

00:36:30   andy said like doctor who were or film [TS]

00:36:33   franchise like James Bond where by now [TS]

00:36:35   it's become expected but for the at the [TS]

00:36:38   first time you know people i'm sure [TS]

00:36:41   freaked out I wasn't around back in the [TS]

00:36:43   sixties but i have to it [TS]

00:36:46   expect a lot of people went through the [TS]

00:36:48   same freaked out that other people are [TS]

00:36:50   going through now thinking about a new [TS]

00:36:52   Indiana Jones or a new Luke Skywalker or [TS]

00:36:55   whatever it might be and I wonderful get [TS]

00:36:58   to the point down the road where people [TS]

00:37:00   are just expecting another Luke [TS]

00:37:01   Skywalker every 10 years or so I mean [TS]

00:37:04   not that people don't scream and yell [TS]

00:37:05   and throw hissy fits at every single [TS]

00:37:07   actor that's cast as the doctor and [TS]

00:37:09   doctor who but they're there they're [TS]

00:37:11   screaming after the casting as opposed [TS]

00:37:13   to before and you're not screaming about [TS]

00:37:15   the casting just that it exists it's who [TS]

00:37:18   gets cast no no it's totally different [TS]

00:37:20   now do all these two young we work with [TS]

00:37:22   the big talker talking online with [TS]

00:37:24   something about the the new robocop [TS]

00:37:26   movie and I don't have any sort of [TS]

00:37:28   emotional attachment robocop was it was [TS]

00:37:30   cool movie but I'm not gonna be dear mr. [TS]

00:37:33   Twitter person [TS]

00:37:34   he brung into think I don't really care [TS]

00:37:37   about it [TS]

00:37:37   not like this one of the Internet's [TS]

00:37:39   foremost robocop Ian's I am how to raise [TS]

00:37:42   your cooperation of the franchise as the [TS]

00:37:44   leading editor of the robocop wikipedia [TS]

00:37:47   page of which you should be aware if you [TS]

00:37:49   report to you screen writer every [TS]

00:37:51   robocup movie [TS]

00:37:52   do not ignore robocop 3 the [TS]

00:37:54   direct-to-video sequel that has [TS]

00:37:56   important continuity in it [TS]

00:37:57   you're clearly using mark 7 robocop leg [TS]

00:38:00   armor that was made after they made [TS]

00:38:02   Peter whether complained about teaching [TS]

00:38:04   in the lower calf area is once the [TS]

00:38:10   original little cup by the way but it [TS]

00:38:12   was allergic to paint [TS]

00:38:13   yes yeah my god you broke me all the but [TS]

00:38:16   sees it that was with buddy ups and make [TS]

00:38:19   good for losing the Tin Woodsman got to [TS]

00:38:21   get they get they gave them what they [TS]

00:38:22   gave him once piece of sunday start work [TS]

00:38:25   also his is his second surance was [TS]

00:38:27   lapsing so if they gave him one day of [TS]

00:38:29   work for the work he get his insurance [TS]

00:38:30   read so that was it wasn't it was a nice [TS]

00:38:32   nod to the classical it to the past it's [TS]

00:38:34   called Robo sheriff back then energy [TS]

00:38:37   would watch burnaby robocop they did a [TS]

00:38:39   rewrite yeah uh I don't know I kind of [TS]

00:38:42   think that Robocop is more of a Mannix [TS]

00:38:45   type you know sort of a touch Conners [TS]

00:38:47   sort of you know it gets a lot of use [TS]

00:38:50   sort of sort of armor pattern sort of [TS]

00:38:53   thing [TS]

00:38:53   yeah and good good theme music anyway [TS]

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00:40:24   uncomfortable when i was about to say is [TS]

00:40:25   that as it doesn't I don't get upset [TS]

00:40:28   about it but it's more like I wish that [TS]

00:40:30   they would create a brand new iconic [TS]

00:40:33   character for a new generation of moving [TS]

00:40:35   goers instead of doing something that [TS]

00:40:37   plugs into my generations nostalgia [TS]

00:40:40   I mean we're we're in our forties now [TS]

00:40:42   we're probably not going to go see a [TS]

00:40:43   movie go go to the movies to pay $11 to [TS]

00:40:46   see I'm a character were probably got [TS]

00:40:48   sick of 15 years ago want to create what [TS]

00:40:51   where where is where is the wonderful [TS]

00:40:52   new character that how it was going to [TS]

00:40:55   reel in 20 years from booting and [TS]

00:40:57   rooting for this generation he can't [TS]

00:40:59   just remake things you also have to make [TS]

00:41:01   new things [TS]

00:41:01   vibro i wrote down in that email that I [TS]

00:41:04   said to you guys the you know who knows [TS]

00:41:06   the star wars will do this we're talking [TS]

00:41:07   about they're gonna do you know episode [TS]

00:41:09   7 and it's going to have the original [TS]

00:41:10   actors I apparently it needs in these [TS]

00:41:12   roles but i'm sure that unless the new [TS]

00:41:15   Star Wars movies become you know [TS]

00:41:17   gigantic cultural hits forever i mean [TS]

00:41:20   i'm sure it's inevitable that they will [TS]

00:41:22   go and remake star wars right they'll [TS]

00:41:25   tear it up and we use it when we make it [TS]

00:41:27   will be a new ally and just the money [TS]

00:41:29   the money I feel like it's an almost [TS]

00:41:31   inevitable that they will 20 years from [TS]

00:41:33   now this feels like the smartest thing [TS]

00:41:35   for them to do is to cast the 17 hours [TS]

00:41:38   elderly older like older Jedi people [TS]

00:41:41   from from the original cast so now again [TS]

00:41:44   the middle of the people in there the [TS]

00:41:45   their forties and fifties and sixties [TS]

00:41:47   are wow great we get to see Harrison [TS]

00:41:50   Ford as han solo again but also have [TS]

00:41:52   Bert make most of the movie about brand [TS]

00:41:54   new characters because I get it shocks [TS]

00:41:57   us to say this but people who are like [TS]

00:41:59   in their teens early twenties they don't [TS]

00:42:00   have the same [TS]

00:42:00   connection to Luke Skywalker that we [TS]

00:42:03   have the phone and I'm just I'm just [TS]

00:42:04   saying there's a difference there [TS]

00:42:05   standing and now in there they're gonna [TS]

00:42:07   do that but I just feel like it's [TS]

00:42:08   inevitable that eventually they're gonna [TS]

00:42:10   be like and let's just go back to the [TS]

00:42:11   like with the slight with Star Trek [TS]

00:42:13   build those said let's go back to that [TS]

00:42:15   original and tell that story again the [TS]

00:42:17   first one was really good let's use that [TS]

00:42:19   Chris Pine can be obi-wan Kenobi because [TS]

00:42:22   we'll be old enough to find that i [TS]

00:42:24   really like the clone wars series and [TS]

00:42:26   that was stuff that had absolutely no [TS]

00:42:28   nostalgia factor for me at all and that [TS]

00:42:30   that's where I see that I i love the [TS]

00:42:32   fact that Frances that in the star wars [TS]

00:42:34   universe that there is a star wars for [TS]

00:42:36   pretty much every generation out there [TS]

00:42:39   that has very little contact with its [TS]

00:42:41   part of the same shared universe but has [TS]

00:42:43   very little contact with the star wars [TS]

00:42:45   the seventies and eighties or the star [TS]

00:42:47   wars of the nineties for the star wars [TS]

00:42:48   of a of the first decade of the 21st [TS]

00:42:51   century [TS]

00:42:52   that's how you keep a franchise alive [TS]

00:42:54   not by always replaying the the first [TS]

00:42:57   three scripts but by finding a way to [TS]

00:42:59   just expand the territory and find new [TS]

00:43:02   ground i agree with you i just i I'm so [TS]

00:43:04   cynical about the way that Hollywood [TS]

00:43:06   does three makes things shamelessly the [TS]

00:43:08   broadcasting is maybe darken with ok [TS]

00:43:10   I've turned my back on hope and love [TS]

00:43:12   each James Bond movie [TS]

00:43:15   aside from the kind of daniel craig [TS]

00:43:16   stuff was kind of the same and that was [TS]

00:43:20   sort of comforting and no I when I went [TS]

00:43:22   and saw them with my dad when I was a [TS]

00:43:24   kid and you know it was my kid gets [TS]

00:43:27   older i'm going to take him to see James [TS]

00:43:28   Bond stuff and you it's you know he's [TS]

00:43:30   always gonna end up in the the the life [TS]

00:43:33   preserver with the girl at the end of [TS]

00:43:35   the movie [TS]

00:43:35   yes with you'd be unlikely button that [TS]

00:43:38   he presses that summons the yacht right [TS]

00:43:40   and that I don't necessarily think they [TS]

00:43:42   do need to remake something for every [TS]

00:43:44   generation there's like subtle shifts at [TS]

00:43:47   to make it more kind of contextually [TS]

00:43:49   relevant i guess but the the heart like [TS]

00:43:52   all of my fears about remix went away [TS]

00:43:55   with Star Trek and I never thought like [TS]

00:43:58   anybody but William Shatner would be [TS]

00:44:00   Kirk and and you know i have no problem [TS]

00:44:03   leaving Chris Pine is Kirk yeah Chris [TS]

00:44:05   David overwhelming casting they did a [TS]

00:44:07   good job Natalie yeah and and that that [TS]

00:44:11   works a lot and i agree with you I think [TS]

00:44:14   it's funny the fear of it and yeah I [TS]

00:44:17   noticed also that phantom fear just like [TS]

00:44:18   no sacrilege sacrilege but good actors [TS]

00:44:21   and good scripts and fun and and with [TS]

00:44:23   Star Trek we mentioned this i think on a [TS]

00:44:25   previous episode 1.1 the problems with [TS]

00:44:27   Star Trek is there was such a length of [TS]

00:44:29   time before between when they finish the [TS]

00:44:31   show and when they start doing the [TS]

00:44:32   movies that all those movies ended up [TS]

00:44:34   being about the original crew getting [TS]

00:44:36   older and dealing with mortality when in [TS]

00:44:39   fact the thing that people loved about [TS]

00:44:41   the original series was that they were [TS]

00:44:43   young and having adventures and they [TS]

00:44:44   never got to do that in the movies and [TS]

00:44:47   so by rebooting star trek and casting [TS]

00:44:49   young actors are like hey we get to do [TS]

00:44:51   that now we get to have movies that are [TS]

00:44:53   not about Kirk breaking his glasses [TS]

00:44:54   because he's very old man can't see very [TS]

00:44:57   well and that's good that's that's [TS]

00:45:00   that's uh that's nice but it did require [TS]

00:45:02   going over that line and as a as an [TS]

00:45:04   original Star Trek fan from when I was [TS]

00:45:06   you know before I can even remember that [TS]

00:45:08   was a that was a big thing like okay [TS]

00:45:10   how's this gonna go is this is this [TS]

00:45:11   gonna be okay and and now we're in a [TS]

00:45:13   different world where I feel like of [TS]

00:45:15   course these are iconic characters I [TS]

00:45:16   would you know I went to track in the [TS]

00:45:18   park in portland this summer which is [TS]

00:45:21   they do a star trek episode in the park [TS]

00:45:23   on a stage in front of several thousand [TS]

00:45:25   people every sunday during the summer [TS]

00:45:27   they did it for five years and and I was [TS]

00:45:30   primed for having already seen you know [TS]

00:45:32   the James Abrahams reroute but it was at [TS]

00:45:34   that moment of like these are great [TS]

00:45:35   characters and it's in the scripts are [TS]

00:45:37   funny and it doesn't matter that these [TS]

00:45:39   are sort of random actors playing these [TS]

00:45:40   parts because i know these parts i know [TS]

00:45:43   that Scotty is going to get into a fight [TS]

00:45:45   on the Klingon space station because [TS]

00:45:47   they insult the enterprise and it wasn't [TS]

00:45:49   James doing and it wasn't simon pegg and [TS]

00:45:51   it didn't matter because you know [TS]

00:45:54   because it was Scotty and I know who [TS]

00:45:56   Scott he is and and it's funny to come [TS]

00:45:58   that way from from it only being one [TS]

00:46:00   actor for the first 40 years of that [TS]

00:46:03   characters existence and I mean even [TS]

00:46:05   Shakespeare his plays were mostly [TS]

00:46:07   remakes and things cobbled together from [TS]

00:46:10   other stories that people probably [TS]

00:46:11   already knew at the time so they were [TS]

00:46:14   familiar with with who handle it was you [TS]

00:46:17   know he added his own spin on it but you [TS]

00:46:22   know the the ideas were already there so [TS]

00:46:25   what you're saying is that you're a [TS]

00:46:26   better play right then he [TS]

00:46:27   was because your radio dramas are [TS]

00:46:29   original oh yeah say at least have the [TS]

00:46:32   courage to say that's all I'm saying [TS]

00:46:33   good we all feel better now [TS]

00:46:36   hey at least I change the name yeah [TS]

00:46:38   change the 60s right have to do change [TS]

00:46:41   the names nobody's given gonna know one [TS]

00:46:44   thing that I think makes it a little [TS]

00:46:46   easier to swallow is when or I guess [TS]

00:46:49   it's more than on the flip side it makes [TS]

00:46:51   it harder to swallow when I feel like [TS]

00:46:53   they are either rebooting or recasting [TS]

00:46:56   somebody just to sort of make a quick [TS]

00:46:57   buck and appeal to the the crowd [TS]

00:47:01   whereas when it's something that I feel [TS]

00:47:03   like the creator's really truly loved [TS]

00:47:07   that what came before and are trying to [TS]

00:47:11   to remake it for a new audience to to [TS]

00:47:13   share that love as opposed to raking in [TS]

00:47:15   the Bucks that helps which is why I [TS]

00:47:18   think doctor who has been so successful [TS]

00:47:19   because both Russell Russell T Davies [TS]

00:47:21   and Steven Moffat huge huge fans of the [TS]

00:47:24   show I mean they're probably some of the [TS]

00:47:26   biggest fan boys in the entire world and [TS]

00:47:29   i think that they put their heart and [TS]

00:47:31   soul into the show and that that shows [TS]

00:47:33   whereas i don't know maybe I'm [TS]

00:47:35   completely wrong about the robocop thing [TS]

00:47:37   but from everything that like that i [TS]

00:47:38   keep seeing and hearing I feel like it's [TS]

00:47:41   more of a cash grab [TS]

00:47:43   oh yeah yeah Hollywood cash grab know [TS]

00:47:46   you can but you don't think so so much [TS]

00:47:48   for green-lighting movies marketing now [TS]

00:47:50   it's like how do you sell this movie if [TS]

00:47:52   you can say well it existed before you [TS]

00:47:54   act like you know Star Trek yes there [TS]

00:47:55   you go [TS]

00:47:56   so does everybody else 80 million [TS]

00:47:58   dollars please [TS]

00:47:59   that this man a check i love this man [TS]

00:48:01   franchises are their own you know are [TS]

00:48:04   problematic in their in their own way I [TS]

00:48:06   when I was thinking about this and I'm [TS]

00:48:08   thinking this is fundamentally a topic [TS]

00:48:10   about things that are not singular works [TS]

00:48:13   of art but our artful though they may be [TS]

00:48:15   they are now product lines and what [TS]

00:48:20   you're doing is you're changing almost [TS]

00:48:21   like changing the spokesman for your for [TS]

00:48:24   your product line what will we do [TS]

00:48:25   without the Aflac duck will get a new [TS]

00:48:28   athletic that's what we're going to do [TS]

00:48:29   and nobody will notice the difference [TS]

00:48:30   but but this is this is what this is and [TS]

00:48:34   so there there's a corporate [TS]

00:48:36   calculations happening to when you [TS]

00:48:38   change an actor [TS]

00:48:39   that I don't know it's um yeah yeah it's [TS]

00:48:45   just it's just but it's it's good that [TS]

00:48:47   we're not abandoning account a really [TS]

00:48:50   good character just because you know the [TS]

00:48:52   actor has aged out of the system so to [TS]

00:48:54   speak [TS]

00:48:55   i meanwhat wouldn't be horrible if we'd [TS]

00:48:58   how many different interpretations have [TS]

00:49:00   there been of sherlock holmes at this [TS]

00:49:02   point and how many can you say have been [TS]

00:49:04   truly great you can probably come up [TS]

00:49:06   with at least four truly greater all i [TS]

00:49:09   want to create Sherlock Holmes's yeah [TS]

00:49:11   yeah and so weak i would hate to say [TS]

00:49:14   it's it's hard it's hard to think of [TS]

00:49:15   anybody but Frances McDormand playing [TS]

00:49:17   the part of chief margin Fargo but i [TS]

00:49:20   have to admit that one of the things I [TS]

00:49:22   really really want to see is this is too [TS]

00:49:24   great a character to never ever have any [TS]

00:49:26   new stories about her so I'm really [TS]

00:49:28   curious to see what this new series is [TS]

00:49:30   going to be bucks i want to see more [TS]

00:49:31   chief Marge [TS]

00:49:32   ok so how come it if a lot of this [TS]

00:49:35   recasting is about actors aging out of [TS]

00:49:37   Parts wife whenever we are I can't think [TS]

00:49:39   of a single example of where they recast [TS]

00:49:41   kids to keep sort of the kids in a show [TS]

00:49:44   at the same age o.o that you don't [TS]

00:49:48   belong with all the time [TS]

00:49:49   yeah i mean they they did that on [TS]

00:49:51   bewitched there were several different [TS]

00:49:52   Tabitha's before before she actually [TS]

00:49:55   would they decided to let her be a child [TS]

00:49:58   I think with child actors it's a lot [TS]

00:49:59   harder because it's so hard to find a [TS]

00:50:01   good child actor in the first place and [TS]

00:50:04   the the field is fairly limited so [TS]

00:50:07   trying to find somebody else who's going [TS]

00:50:08   to be able to play the part who's going [TS]

00:50:10   to be able to play period i think it's [TS]

00:50:13   probably just not worth the while of the [TS]

00:50:16   creators of the shows and films you do [TS]

00:50:18   end up with a problem with it with the [TS]

00:50:20   kids are getting older and if the if the [TS]

00:50:22   premises that every year is a year [TS]

00:50:23   that's not a problem if the premises [TS]

00:50:25   like I was noticing that with Carl on [TS]

00:50:27   the walking dead that uh you know they [TS]

00:50:30   mean he's getting he's growing up and I [TS]

00:50:34   guess you can say well Carl's growing up [TS]

00:50:35   in this hard environment where there's [TS]

00:50:36   always everywhere he's growing up but [TS]

00:50:38   it's also he's growing you know he's [TS]

00:50:39   getting older faster than time is [TS]

00:50:40   passing on the show because they don't [TS]

00:50:42   it's not a one to one thing or the best [TS]

00:50:44   example there is is walked on Long swear [TS]

00:50:46   it's like just gonna forget it [TS]

00:50:48   whoa we got to take waltz [TS]

00:50:50   way because that kid that kid grew like [TS]

00:50:53   two feet in a year and will also look at [TS]

00:50:56   look at look at Happy Days like with the [TS]

00:50:58   first year you already had actors who [TS]

00:51:00   were probably about their their 22 23 [TS]

00:51:02   years old playing 16 17 hours old [TS]

00:51:05   by the end it's like I Pazzi we got it [TS]

00:51:08   we're about to graduate from college [TS]

00:51:10   yeah I can't make it good time I gotta [TS]

00:51:12   pick up my kids from the orthodontist [TS]

00:51:14   well that's the that's the 90210 problem [TS]

00:51:17   right with which is then you can cast [TS]

00:51:19   you can cast a twenty-five-year-old as [TS]

00:51:22   2418 and maybe get away with it there [TS]

00:51:25   are youthful 25 but the problem is then [TS]

00:51:27   the show last seven or eight years this [TS]

00:51:29   was you know Buffy is my favorite show [TS]

00:51:31   but the fact is those guys were more [TS]

00:51:33   plausibly 16 then they were plausibly 22 [TS]

00:51:37   well that's it that's best skilled [TS]

00:51:39   writing what you do is you establish [TS]

00:51:40   that they've got they were became very [TS]

00:51:42   very heavy smokers around the 3rd season [TS]

00:51:44   various unhealthy lives and age doesn't [TS]

00:51:48   really give these states at back by [TS]

00:51:50   Howard leaving recognize myself anymore [TS]

00:51:52   they're just be a spanish expel that [TS]

00:51:54   happens and they all seem older than [TS]

00:51:56   they actually are [TS]

00:51:57   let's see I know you don't want to talk [TS]

00:51:58   about Darrin Stephens but go ahead but [TS]

00:52:01   we already talked about colombo Three's [TS]

00:52:02   Company and magnum p.i that we haven't [TS]

00:52:03   talked about the West go ahead the thing [TS]

00:52:05   that bothered me as a child watching the [TS]

00:52:08   show because you know it was on every [TS]

00:52:10   day right and all of a sudden one day [TS]

00:52:13   there's Dickie work the next day blink [TS]

00:52:14   sorry sergeant now I'm like what five or [TS]

00:52:19   six and i'm trying to figure out okay [TS]

00:52:21   and doors already turned him into a cow [TS]

00:52:23   horse a duck a donkey [TS]

00:52:26   why doesn't she just turn him back to [TS]

00:52:28   the way he looked did Samantha suddenly [TS]

00:52:29   decide she really liked this tall skinny [TS]

00:52:31   guy better i don't know i just nobody [TS]

00:52:33   noticed that it's a disease Aaron sure [TS]

00:52:36   Larry Tate would have voted since and [TS]

00:52:38   it's like here's a show where you could [TS]

00:52:40   actually legitimately have that excuse [TS]

00:52:43   oh now you got a facelift like that [TS]

00:52:45   magic [TS]

00:52:47   no it's just an example of how a lot of [TS]

00:52:49   people always do the instruments Stevens [TS]

00:52:50   vs i dream of jeannie who's more [TS]

00:52:52   powerful it's clearly samantha stephens [TS]

00:52:54   because she decided she wanted a [TS]

00:52:56   different husband and she went out and [TS]

00:52:57   got it and she's powerful enough to make [TS]

00:52:59   everybody else not notice grabbed a [TS]

00:53:01   drifter [TS]

00:53:03   with the pic erase his existence those [TS]

00:53:05   those actors were very different [TS]

00:53:07   I mean that's something to get me that I [TS]

00:53:09   mean I don't agree with her personal [TS]

00:53:11   taste in men I at all but to each her [TS]

00:53:15   own on the other hand you you do like [TS]

00:53:17   the fact that at some point the [TS]

00:53:19   producers say look it's just a TV show [TS]

00:53:20   we can do stuff we have to do stuff like [TS]

00:53:23   when like when Harry Morgan was cast as [TS]

00:53:26   Colonel Potter on mash that if it's [TS]

00:53:29   worth if this relaxed at interbay [TS]

00:53:30   internet-based casting they say no week [TS]

00:53:32   he can I know he's great for the party [TS]

00:53:34   be perfectly totally revitalized the [TS]

00:53:36   series but he's already been established [TS]

00:53:37   as the guy who plays major general [TS]

00:53:39   Bradford Hamilton steel in the episode [TS]

00:53:42   the general flips at dawn we meet you [TS]

00:53:44   people blow people's minds if he shows [TS]

00:53:47   up again [TS]

00:53:47   no no what will happen is that maybe [TS]

00:53:50   four people remember him from three [TS]

00:53:52   seasons ago and will probably be cool [TS]

00:53:53   with it because the fans of the show if [TS]

00:53:55   they were picky about that in Doctor Who [TS]

00:53:56   they would have like fifty percent less [TS]

00:53:58   cast and all of the classic series [TS]

00:54:00   technology philip matic would have been [TS]

00:54:02   out of a job right to to doctors and at [TS]

00:54:06   least a couple companions have been on [TS]

00:54:07   in different characters before they [TS]

00:54:09   ended up as the as the meanwhile the [TS]

00:54:11   doctor who you could always say like [TS]

00:54:13   well they like that person filed it away [TS]

00:54:15   for later like a maybe i'll be that [TS]

00:54:16   person later I'll regenerate into that [TS]

00:54:18   guy who was that who was that actor on [TS]

00:54:20   on Babylon 5 that game apple juice again [TS]

00:54:23   see this J michael Straczynski just like [TS]

00:54:25   him so much that he just kept casting [TS]

00:54:27   overcasting mean the guy who's the [TS]

00:54:30   Inquisitor and then he brought back his [TS]

00:54:31   lorien when Alexander and like a man [TS]

00:54:34   wasn't he was an artist into yeah you [TS]

00:54:36   keep putting back under makeup makeup [TS]

00:54:38   the river just like working with them so [TS]

00:54:40   much [TS]

00:54:41   yeah yeah it's like Jeffrey Combs on on [TS]

00:54:43   like deep space nine and enterprising I [TS]

00:54:46   think he was a pussy on Voyager at some [TS]

00:54:48   point you might yeah he was [TS]

00:54:51   yeah the the one TV show growing up that [TS]

00:54:53   really bothered me when they change the [TS]

00:54:55   cast was Dukes of Hazzard oh god yes [TS]

00:54:58   identical cousins they look just like [TS]

00:55:00   them suddenly the blonde is wearing the [TS]

00:55:02   blue shirt and the brunette is wearing [TS]

00:55:04   the yellow shirt that was it and it was [TS]

00:55:08   we gave our cousins are car that we love [TS]

00:55:11   and our lives our parents right us so we [TS]

00:55:15   can go off and racing now [TS]

00:55:16   car will be back after our contract is [TS]

00:55:19   settled [TS]

00:55:20   hey it really seems they couldn't tell [TS]

00:55:21   if they wanted to recast the roles or [TS]

00:55:23   bring in different characters so they [TS]

00:55:25   try to do both but they weren't that [TS]

00:55:27   different right let's race anything [TS]

00:55:29   similar as we can [TS]

00:55:31   yeah well you know soap operas always do [TS]

00:55:33   it where they just say the part of [TS]

00:55:34   so-and-so is now being played very much [TS]

00:55:37   like in the theatre with an understudy [TS]

00:55:38   they just replace the part and just say [TS]

00:55:40   have or or they get blown up and they [TS]

00:55:42   have bandages on their face for a week [TS]

00:55:44   and then the undo the damage is like out [TS]

00:55:46   it's a new actor you look different to [TS]

00:55:49   send a message to the rest of the cast [TS]

00:55:50   during contract negotiations we have [TS]

00:55:52   arbitrarily fired the actor playing [TS]

00:55:54   Clint dark club or sometimes it really [TS]

00:55:56   is an understudy because of a cast [TS]

00:55:58   member gets sick and when you're [TS]

00:55:59   shooting every day so you get some I [TS]

00:56:01   remember when I would watch soap operas [TS]

00:56:03   when i was home sick as a kid and I [TS]

00:56:06   would just be so confused because I [TS]

00:56:07   tuned in after the so-and-so is being [TS]

00:56:09   played by so-and-so and I would be [TS]

00:56:11   really confused and then the next week [TS]

00:56:13   it would be back to the same person and [TS]

00:56:15   I would be even more confused i was very [TS]

00:56:17   upset when when Robin Brady became John [TS]

00:56:19   black on days of our osmeƱa Taylor [TS]

00:56:22   really not the same guy probably not the [TS]

00:56:24   same guy and then it turned out of [TS]

00:56:25   course there was a plot twist later and [TS]

00:56:27   it wasn't the same guy [TS]

00:56:28   oh you did we drink to of course it was [TS]

00:56:30   a different actor you should not along [TS]

00:56:32   beau soap operas they're the worst [TS]

00:56:35   what's like we were watching Iron Chef [TS]

00:56:37   all afternoon because the kids suddenly [TS]

00:56:38   went hate this is really cool and [TS]

00:56:40   there's one episode that we saw where [TS]

00:56:42   the Chairman is so heartsick over the [TS]

00:56:45   losing streak of the Iron Chefs that [TS]

00:56:47   he's boycotting this battle and ICU [TS]

00:56:49   category is the acting chairman and and [TS]

00:56:52   i happen to know for reading the Iron [TS]

00:56:54   Chef book [TS]

00:56:55   shut up i had in my bookshelf i have [TS]

00:56:57   that ok bookshelf if you been all my [TS]

00:56:59   life [TS]

00:57:00   anyway but he he was the actor himself [TS]

00:57:03   was on tour in the japanese version of [TS]

00:57:06   lame is that lame as he's on the world [TS]

00:57:08   the world soundtrack where it's [TS]

00:57:10   different people and lame is from all [TS]

00:57:11   over the world he's one of the one of [TS]

00:57:13   the people on that he's representing [TS]

00:57:15   Japan is the chairman Sir Michael [TS]

00:57:17   learned so much tonight you guys [TS]

00:57:19   actually it makes me mad that Iron Chef [TS]

00:57:22   USA has the guy who supposedly like the [TS]

00:57:25   nephew of of the Chairman he is not the [TS]

00:57:27   Chairman is a kick but he's also [TS]

00:57:28   unaccepting he [TS]

00:57:30   also no fat on the new hawaii five-o now [TS]

00:57:33   the chairman on Iron Chef America it's a [TS]

00:57:35   whole evil conspiracy is brilliant [TS]

00:57:37   wow did that means that you know that [TS]

00:57:40   now the chairman has a carry permit [TS]

00:57:45   how does that influence your thinking [TS]

00:57:47   about what's going on inside the inside [TS]

00:57:49   kitchen stadium now this this has gone [TS]

00:57:52   in directions that I never expected and [TS]

00:57:54   yet you know i should expect that from [TS]

00:57:56   this podcast by now just not where we go [TS]

00:57:59   which I i used to me is when when when [TS]

00:58:03   Ninja Warrior start airing on the g4 [TS]

00:58:05   network [TS]

00:58:06   I always decided that I'm gonna start [TS]

00:58:07   believe that this is how they choose [TS]

00:58:09   they train and choose the palace guards [TS]

00:58:11   for kitchen Stadium [TS]

00:58:12   yeah I like that yeah I like this a [TS]

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01:01:30   of reboots the guys who were involved in [TS]

01:01:32   rebooting the star trek movie were [TS]

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01:01:37   which isn't bad because I you know [TS]

01:01:40   because in the grand tradition it's like [TS]

01:01:42   hey we've got a production facility in [TS]

01:01:43   Hawaii we need to show here and there [TS]

01:01:45   were guys who did lost and itself that's [TS]

01:01:48   right plus what's more popular with the [TS]

01:01:50   kids today than hawaii five-o I wouldn't [TS]

01:01:52   you know I'll never accept a new [TS]

01:01:53   McGarrett I its it has like the jetta [TS]

01:01:56   Jack Jack Lord cosplayers at comic-con [TS]

01:01:59   you can't even get through the key with [TS]

01:02:01   the complex for without another Jacob [TS]

01:02:02   Jack Lord cosplayer why I was amused [TS]

01:02:05   that the only thing that they've really [TS]

01:02:07   kept from the series they actually went [TS]

01:02:09   back and use the right orchestration for [TS]

01:02:11   the theme music so the theme music [TS]

01:02:13   center [TS]

01:02:13   great rest of the show totally different [TS]

01:02:15   like very same character names and you [TS]

01:02:18   you know what was important that's about [TS]

01:02:20   it was the song [TS]

01:02:21   yes yeah that's true but breasts were [TS]

01:02:24   two threes company the theme song was [TS]

01:02:27   the whole life I've oh that's right [TS]

01:02:29   Larry Larry I'm telling you [TS]

01:02:31   Larry you keep keeping the baby also [TS]

01:02:35   heals on a nice rack [TS]

01:02:37   certainly in later seasons yeah Larry [TS]

01:02:41   mr. well actually there there's in [TS]

01:02:43   threes company i can't believe i can [TS]

01:02:45   bring Three's Company up again but did [TS]

01:02:47   you know they didn't replace the rotors [TS]

01:02:49   with mr. Furley that was another a spun [TS]

01:02:51   them all that wasn't about raid [TS]

01:02:53   yeah yes agreed on knots over North [TS]

01:02:58   sorry Norman fell sorry [TS]

01:03:00   bc i respect I respect your work I I [TS]

01:03:04   respect what you did to launch this [TS]

01:03:05   series but the much much like this the [TS]

01:03:08   this much like the saturn for rocket [TS]

01:03:10   whose only job it was to send those [TS]

01:03:13   astronauts on the way to the Moon your [TS]

01:03:15   soul role in threes company was to make [TS]

01:03:18   sure the show was in good shape when Don [TS]

01:03:19   Knotts was ready to land [TS]

01:03:21   wow this is here if you tuned in late [TS]

01:03:23   this is an insurance company episode of [TS]

01:03:24   I take full responsibility for this so [TS]

01:03:27   you can send your hate mail to me it [TS]

01:03:28   wasn't gonna be this way but there was a [TS]

01:03:30   misunderstanding at the beginning that [TS]

01:03:32   really should have been cleared out and [TS]

01:03:34   yet nobody asked me questions and we [TS]

01:03:36   just ended up here it's really [TS]

01:03:37   embarrassing [TS]

01:03:39   so before we go I wanted to you know [TS]

01:03:42   circle back around to this idea of how [TS]

01:03:44   you replenish how you how you did go in [TS]

01:03:47   a different direction with the franchise [TS]

01:03:48   it seems like we've got a couple good [TS]

01:03:50   examples here we got one where you take [TS]

01:03:53   the change and change and embrace it and [TS]

01:03:57   you embrace the change in your franchise [TS]

01:03:58   and I think James Bond is a good example [TS]

01:04:00   of this when and it in a way the doctor [TS]

01:04:03   who is too which is you change the actor [TS]

01:04:04   you change the show the show is [TS]

01:04:06   different you don't worry too much and [TS]

01:04:08   doctor who is more continuity but really [TS]

01:04:11   you don't worry too much about being [TS]

01:04:14   like the last guy and like the last one [TS]

01:04:16   and the the feeling of those James Bond [TS]

01:04:19   movies is very different from from actor [TS]

01:04:21   to actor and then the other way you go [TS]

01:04:23   is to say you know there's this core [TS]

01:04:24   character in this character is who [TS]

01:04:27   they are and we're going to be faithful [TS]

01:04:29   to them which is definitely more of what [TS]

01:04:31   the JJ from Star Trek movies have done [TS]

01:04:34   which is say you know we're not going to [TS]

01:04:36   rethink captain kirk and make him [TS]

01:04:38   different in some way we're going to do [TS]

01:04:41   captain kirk we're not going to do a [TS]

01:04:42   shadow impression but we're gonna do [TS]

01:04:44   Captain Kirk David which we so which way [TS]

01:04:48   does Indiana Jones go to get back to my [TS]

01:04:50   original premise here d is this is this [TS]

01:04:52   something where they just keep on going [TS]

01:04:54   and drop a new actor in 32 the fifties [TS]

01:04:57   or sixties or wherever they want and [TS]

01:05:00   have him have more adventures or do they [TS]

01:05:02   say i want somebody who is basically [TS]

01:05:04   going to continue doing the things that [TS]

01:05:06   that Harrison Ford did not an impression [TS]

01:05:10   but do do it like Harrison Ford which [TS]

01:05:12   way do you go with with something like [TS]

01:05:13   Indiana Jones if you're the producers i [TS]

01:05:15   would have gone but the thing is [TS]

01:05:17   disappointed me about Christmas the [TS]

01:05:19   thing that was the one thing that could [TS]

01:05:21   at this point about talking about [TS]

01:05:22   crystal skull was partly that it's a [TS]

01:05:24   monkey's it wasn't the monkeys exactly [TS]

01:05:26   this the one thing I'm sure i'm gonna [TS]

01:05:28   choose to do for this podcast given that [TS]

01:05:30   your signal that we're nearly into this [TS]

01:05:31   this and we did not only have another I [TS]

01:05:34   don't have another hundred 30 gigabytes [TS]

01:05:35   worth of storage on this computer i'm [TS]

01:05:37   recording this on it just it just seemed [TS]

01:05:39   like you could they could in such a cool [TS]

01:05:41   story by established that essentially [TS]

01:05:43   now do the same attitude as they did [TS]

01:05:47   with the first movie only now doctor at [TS]

01:05:50   dr. henry jones is now in the markets [TS]

01:05:52   Brody role he's the guy who is sort of [TS]

01:05:54   like advising the young brash [TS]

01:05:56   archaeologists think you'd be on the [TS]

01:05:59   audience knows that dot this this [TS]

01:06:01   seven-year-old like head of the head of [TS]

01:06:03   the department [TS]

01:06:04   honey I've been there I've done that [TS]

01:06:06   I've seen Nazis face melted melting i [TS]

01:06:10   have i have saved a indian villages all [TS]

01:06:14   the supernatural crap that you think [TS]

01:06:16   doesn't exist really does exist and oh [TS]

01:06:18   boy do you not know what you're getting [TS]

01:06:20   into and will be wonderful to see that [TS]

01:06:23   go full circle now that he doesn't have [TS]

01:06:25   any no longer has the ability really [TS]

01:06:28   physically to do the sort of stuff that [TS]

01:06:29   he needs to do as a field archaeologist [TS]

01:06:31   and again it's a great way to establish [TS]

01:06:33   the continuity to sort of hand off the [TS]

01:06:35   Roll to a younger actor who is now 30 [TS]

01:06:38   years old or [TS]

01:06:39   that is late twenties or let's say a [TS]

01:06:42   newly minted PhD and the in the 1950s [TS]

01:06:46   and 1960s then take it off that way [TS]

01:06:48   that's the way that I would like to do [TS]

01:06:50   what I i do think that you have to if [TS]

01:06:52   you really want to extend the life of a [TS]

01:06:53   franchise you give it new wife you you [TS]

01:06:56   that's why human existence is not about [TS]

01:07:00   life extension for anyone of us it's for [TS]

01:07:02   creating children that they can get that [TS]

01:07:04   then go on and take what we've done and [TS]

01:07:07   take another 10 yards further so that's [TS]

01:07:09   what I would do if I were had a [TS]

01:07:10   continually Indiana Jones franchise new [TS]

01:07:13   character but some continuity with the [TS]

01:07:14   old witch sphere theoretically what [TS]

01:07:17   they're doing with Star Wars Episode 7 [TS]

01:07:18   although there are some reports that [TS]

01:07:19   they may be doing that a little less [TS]

01:07:21   than we thought but that's the idea [TS]

01:07:22   there is there they're doing episode 7 [TS]

01:07:25   and they're going to introduce new [TS]

01:07:26   characters and they're gonna be the [TS]

01:07:28   children of or you know there abouts of [TS]

01:07:31   the characters we know but they're not [TS]

01:07:32   going to go back and make new versions [TS]

01:07:34   of the characters we know so i would [TS]

01:07:35   argue i would do exactly the opposite [TS]

01:07:38   alright just the silly young sins but [TS]

01:07:40   for the same reasons because like yes [TS]

01:07:42   but real life there's mortality and your [TS]

01:07:45   kids replace you and new generation and [TS]

01:07:48   all that kind of stuff so who wants to [TS]

01:07:49   be reminded of that in their fiction [TS]

01:07:52   that if you go that way [TS]

01:07:53   yeah you have a new character you've [TS]

01:07:54   handed off to but it's not Indiana Jones [TS]

01:07:56   but don't but don't you want to see what [TS]

01:07:59   the end of the Indiana Jones of stories [TS]

01:08:01   like that it doesn't please you a little [TS]

01:08:03   bit to find out that he wound up with [TS]

01:08:05   Marion Ravenwood at the end of this is [TS]

01:08:07   just when you say that we're going to [TS]

01:08:09   sort of a bad we're not what it's worth [TS]

01:08:11   I'm different I i would like to i would [TS]

01:08:13   like to see what happened well i think i [TS]

01:08:15   think there is it there there's [TS]

01:08:16   definitely there should be that episode [TS]

01:08:18   of what is the end you know the the when [TS]

01:08:22   Roger Moore Sean Connery came back for [TS]

01:08:24   never say never again and he was kind of [TS]

01:08:25   this old bond who couldn't do anything [TS]

01:08:29   more and you got the sense like okay [TS]

01:08:30   he's going to go and retire and that's [TS]

01:08:31   the end of him and that's you you want [TS]

01:08:34   an end to the legend but you only want [TS]

01:08:35   to see that once and then you want to go [TS]

01:08:37   back to like let me see their adventures [TS]

01:08:38   when they were young again [TS]

01:08:39   yeah so my spider-man goes back to high [TS]

01:08:41   school all the time so do you do I mean [TS]

01:08:43   I mean it would be a cute idea to have [TS]

01:08:44   indiana jones and his twenties back in [TS]

01:08:47   you know back in time in the twenties or [TS]

01:08:50   thirties you can change the timeline if [TS]

01:08:51   you want [TS]

01:08:52   two and then have and then have Harrison [TS]

01:08:54   Ford play Marcus Brody or play his [TS]

01:08:56   father and but he's not Indiana Jones [TS]

01:08:59   anymore read but so those that's two of [TS]

01:09:01   two ways to go right you you you said it [TS]

01:09:03   back in time or two and this point you [TS]

01:09:04   don't recast the part and you just kinda [TS]

01:09:07   pass it off to the next generation [TS]

01:09:08   except the problem areas [TS]

01:09:10   Andy I think all of us would like to see [TS]

01:09:12   Indiana Jones back in the thirties and [TS]

01:09:13   forties and you can't do that without [TS]

01:09:15   saying it's a new you know it's a new [TS]

01:09:18   story with you a kiss but you can't have [TS]

01:09:20   that again again we get you can't you [TS]

01:09:22   can't keep reliving with its you see [TS]

01:09:25   these people walking down the street and [TS]

01:09:26   there they were like their forties or [TS]

01:09:28   fifties and they're still wearing like [TS]

01:09:30   the dressing there weren't cut off [TS]

01:09:32   shorts and flip-flops and already [TS]

01:09:34   t-shirts because that's the way they [TS]

01:09:35   dress when they were 22 years old and [TS]

01:09:37   they feel that's the best part of their [TS]

01:09:38   lives and they just want to be locked [TS]

01:09:40   into that same temporal loop over and [TS]

01:09:42   over again [TS]

01:09:43   you can't live your life that way you [TS]

01:09:44   have to move forward forward forward [TS]

01:09:46   it's shameful to simply say that this [TS]

01:09:48   this character as I was first introduced [TS]

01:09:51   to it is the only valid way of [TS]

01:09:53   expressing this character well but but [TS]

01:09:55   see here's the thing with Star Wars and [TS]

01:09:57   Star Trek you have a larger universe [TS]

01:10:01   it's more than just one character [TS]

01:10:02   whereas with raiders of the lost ark in [TS]

01:10:04   all its Indiana Jones and he I mean he [TS]

01:10:07   is what it is it's not that they're all [TS]

01:10:09   these supernatural adventures it's not [TS]

01:10:11   that there's this archaeology [TS]

01:10:12   adventuring thing it's Indiana Jones [TS]

01:10:16   himself like Sherlock Holmes like the [TS]

01:10:19   pulp characters that inspired Indiana [TS]

01:10:21   Jones I mean there's no continuity over [TS]

01:10:23   hundreds of Shadows stories and you know [TS]

01:10:26   it's it's okay to recast him i think [TS]

01:10:29   because I'm interested in him [TS]

01:10:31   I don't care about his world and if you [TS]

01:10:32   he's adventuring in the seventies in the [TS]

01:10:35   cold war right then it and you know you [TS]

01:10:38   both sort of get what you want right and [TS]

01:10:41   you can have those adventures and you [TS]

01:10:43   know it's sort of like Michael Chabon [TS]

01:10:44   did a survey sherlock holmes novel where [TS]

01:10:47   he is elderly and retired and beekeeping [TS]

01:10:50   and sussex downs and he p still end up [TS]

01:10:53   solving a mystery and and you can still [TS]

01:10:55   have those sort of offshoots and those [TS]

01:10:58   stories where you see his ending or UC [TS]

01:11:00   close to his ending or you know the [TS]

01:11:02   lorry King novels where Sherlock Holmes [TS]

01:11:03   is married to a beak [TS]

01:11:05   super I think she's a beekeeper what's [TS]

01:11:08   with the be anything is be keeping an [TS]

01:11:10   allegory for something or is it in the [TS]

01:11:12   doctor mentioned let's make it means [TS]

01:11:14   couple of times yeah but you know you [TS]

01:11:17   can still have Cumberbatch's Sherlock [TS]

01:11:19   you can still have jonny lee miller is [TS]

01:11:20   Sherlock and it's still you still have [TS]

01:11:22   jeremy brett is Sherlock and you still [TS]

01:11:24   have basil rathbone and they're all [TS]

01:11:26   different and they're all still sherlock [TS]

01:11:28   holmes they're still recognizably that [TS]

01:11:30   character and I think that's okay [TS]

01:11:34   Star Wars I don't want another loop sky [TS]

01:11:36   great i agree i want more stories in [TS]

01:11:38   that unit yes i agree me to agree that [TS]

01:11:41   getting back to your original question [TS]

01:11:42   just for Indiana Jones in the short-term [TS]

01:11:44   to go either sort of the that James Bond [TS]

01:11:48   route or the data Abrams route I think [TS]

01:11:52   for me personally I would rather see [TS]

01:11:56   sort of the JJ Abrams which is just sort [TS]

01:11:59   of really playing the character with a [TS]

01:12:02   slightly different take on it but I [TS]

01:12:04   could see down the road or perhaps the [TS]

01:12:06   younger generation being more just fine [TS]

01:12:08   with something almost completely [TS]

01:12:10   different in the the James Bond vain i [TS]

01:12:13   have enough emotional attachment to the [TS]

01:12:15   character that I think it would be hard [TS]

01:12:18   for me to watch somebody do something [TS]

01:12:19   that was very different with it but i do [TS]

01:12:23   think that eventually that could work [TS]

01:12:24   kind of like somebody who is really [TS]

01:12:25   wrapped up with William Hartnell is the [TS]

01:12:27   first doctor may have balked at the idea [TS]

01:12:30   of this you know funny little guy with a [TS]

01:12:32   recorder you know waddling around the [TS]

01:12:34   TARDIS and eventually he did win them [TS]

01:12:37   over but so i would i would be [TS]

01:12:41   reasonable and waiting and see but i [TS]

01:12:43   think i would rather see something more [TS]

01:12:44   similar well in and one of my favorite [TS]

01:12:47   examples which I just remembered now the [TS]

01:12:49   movie maverick which was a you know a [TS]

01:12:52   remake of the James Garner Western from [TS]

01:12:55   the fifties and sixties where mel gibson [TS]

01:12:58   is Bret maverick and jim garner is this [TS]

01:13:01   law man who's after him and you think [TS]

01:13:04   well that's cute because James Garner [TS]

01:13:06   and okay great and then spoiler ORN [TS]

01:13:13   it turns out that he's actually Bret [TS]

01:13:16   maverick in disguise and mel gibson is [TS]

01:13:18   Bret maverick jr. and you go [TS]

01:13:21   alright alright that works mmm so-so the [TS]

01:13:26   Indiana Jones question I I think I that [TS]

01:13:30   I think Erica that was a really [TS]

01:13:32   interesting answer the the continuity [TS]

01:13:34   plays into it a little bit for me where [TS]

01:13:36   I feel like one of the one of the [TS]

01:13:38   beauties of having a different actor is [TS]

01:13:40   that you get to ignore unless it's [TS]

01:13:44   doctor who and it's sort of like it [TS]

01:13:45   actually happened we want we watched it [TS]

01:13:47   happen with James Bond it's like you [TS]

01:13:49   don't have to say uh huh you know you [TS]

01:13:51   can't say that this has never happened [TS]

01:13:53   before in the English agent office [TS]

01:13:55   because in a previous movie it happened [TS]

01:13:57   because if they're not you know right [TS]

01:13:59   it's like don't worry about that so if [TS]

01:14:01   you read it Indiana Jones you would you [TS]

01:14:02   wouldn't have to say well you know you [TS]

01:14:04   can have him meet Marion and you know [TS]

01:14:08   and and have this outcome because we [TS]

01:14:10   learned raiders of the lost ark this is [TS]

01:14:11   the timeline and this is when they met [TS]

01:14:13   and this is then then they you know they [TS]

01:14:15   separated and he didn't see her again [TS]

01:14:17   until raiders of the lost ark and the [TS]

01:14:19   beauty of of changing that story and [TS]

01:14:22   changing the part is that you could say [TS]

01:14:23   you know we're gonna not whether we tell [TS]

01:14:26   those stories or not we're not going to [TS]

01:14:28   worry about those stories and let them [TS]

01:14:31   preclude us from telling the stories we [TS]

01:14:33   want to tell because that's one of the [TS]

01:14:34   worst things about continuity I'll of [TS]

01:14:37   continuity as somebody who reads a lot [TS]

01:14:39   of comic books and and sci-fi and all [TS]

01:14:42   sorts of things like that [TS]

01:14:43   I'll of continuity and yet i also hate [TS]

01:14:44   continuity and the reason I hate [TS]

01:14:46   continuities because continuity [TS]

01:14:47   sometimes gets in the way of telling a [TS]

01:14:49   good story and that's the beauty of [TS]

01:14:50   recasting apart is that you're breaking [TS]

01:14:52   the opportunity to break some continuity [TS]

01:14:54   and say look I just want to tell some [TS]

01:14:56   stories with this great character and I [TS]

01:14:57   don't really care about the backstory I [TS]

01:14:59   care about the character and good [TS]

01:15:01   stories so that's that that would be [TS]

01:15:03   where I would go to and like the shadow [TS]

01:15:06   on the radio which was concurrent with [TS]

01:15:08   the pulp magazines of the shadow on the [TS]

01:15:11   radio he was Lamont Cranston that was [TS]

01:15:14   his that's who he really was and in the [TS]

01:15:18   books in the in the pulp magazines [TS]

01:15:21   he was really can't allard and Lamont [TS]

01:15:24   Cranston was just another person whose [TS]

01:15:25   identity he would take [TS]

01:15:26   sometimes when Lamont Cranston was off [TS]

01:15:28   on some other part of the world and all [TS]

01:15:31   these other identities that he took and [TS]

01:15:33   he would occasionally make jokes about [TS]

01:15:34   the radio version of him and but then [TS]

01:15:39   the radio version overtook that because [TS]

01:15:41   that's what everyone remembers and [TS]

01:15:43   somewhere along the line about 10 years [TS]

01:15:44   into the magazine all of a sudden Margo [TS]

01:15:46   Lane who was only on the radio show is [TS]

01:15:49   suddenly his faithful companion and the [TS]

01:15:51   only person who knows who he really is [TS]

01:15:52   and and bend the readers were upset they [TS]

01:15:56   they said no no she's from the radio [TS]

01:15:58   show that's not right you know this [TS]

01:16:00   isn't right [TS]

01:16:01   you know there's a dropped joke in the [TS]

01:16:04   50th anniversary of Doctor Who that was [TS]

01:16:06   a shot of the the posters [TS]

01:16:10   yes from the s from the sixties Doctor [TS]

01:16:13   Who movies and fishing starring peter [TS]

01:16:16   cushing and the indeed the joke was [TS]

01:16:17   going to be and this is baffling tube [TS]

01:16:20   that they couldn't get through there [TS]

01:16:21   really was going to cost too much to [TS]

01:16:22   show them on camera it's like come on [TS]

01:16:24   BBC life surely the license i guess but [TS]

01:16:27   the joke was going to be that was [TS]

01:16:29   actually in continuity and some [TS]

01:16:30   companion we never met squealed about [TS]

01:16:34   the doctors adventures and wrote it like [TS]

01:16:36   wrote a screenplay wrote a tell-all book [TS]

01:16:38   that became these movies and so that [TS]

01:16:41   ended in Doctor Who's world the peter [TS]

01:16:44   cushing movies were going to be real and [TS]

01:16:46   just sort of like not accurate [TS]

01:16:48   depictions of what was really going on [TS]

01:16:51   which would be a funny little weight I [TS]

01:16:53   so wish that hadn't happened [TS]

01:16:55   ya got the job that's why I like I i [TS]

01:16:59   like that i like when a creator or and [TS]

01:17:02   editors of a comic book at some point [TS]

01:17:04   they reflect on the fact that look it's [TS]

01:17:06   just fiction [TS]

01:17:07   yeah we don't have to just like the the [TS]

01:17:10   line in the monsters university that is [TS]

01:17:13   invited monsters incorporated where you [TS]

01:17:16   know where where where [TS]

01:17:19   Sully and and Mike like supposedly met [TS]

01:17:22   and fourth grade and but they can't have [TS]

01:17:24   the monster they want to have the meat [TS]

01:17:25   in college instead for this is the part [TS]

01:17:28   of monsters University and they went [TS]

01:17:30   through all of these different [TS]

01:17:31   permutations really heavy lifting and [TS]

01:17:33   try to justify that one line including [TS]

01:17:35   well if you we we even saying that tree [TS]

01:17:38   since we were in fourth grade well [TS]

01:17:39   that's just like so [TS]

01:17:40   buying and monsters world that's all and [TS]

01:17:43   then probably at some point like act [TS]

01:17:45   during stormy they said look I'm got [TS]

01:17:48   thank god bless you for doing all this [TS]

01:17:49   work to try to just make this all makes [TS]

01:17:51   sense for monsters incorporated but it's [TS]

01:17:54   okay if we just simply pretend that line [TS]

01:17:56   ever happens the easiest answer its and [TS]

01:17:58   that's what we're gonna do [TS]

01:17:59   they met on a field trip in fourth grade [TS]

01:18:02   and realized later when they looked at [TS]

01:18:03   the pictures but we're not going to [TS]

01:18:05   mention that movie because it seemed to [TS]

01:18:07   care again this is not a documentary [TS]

01:18:10   about how they met about that there's a [TS]

01:18:12   comic book fan out there whose head is [TS]

01:18:13   just exploded what do you mean [TS]

01:18:15   continuities the tapestry the whole [TS]

01:18:16   thing together and yeah well you know [TS]

01:18:18   like i said it's fun but the good [TS]

01:18:21   stories are far better doctor who has [TS]

01:18:23   been stomping on its own continuity for [TS]

01:18:25   50 years now so I'm fine with that [TS]

01:18:27   tradition [TS]

01:18:28   really oh yeah right anything else [TS]

01:18:30   before we were we're rapidly running or [TS]

01:18:34   have run out of time anything else that [TS]

01:18:35   you guys want to talk about before we go [TS]

01:18:37   you should talk about it now I a picture [TS]

01:18:40   film Michaels sitting there going [TS]

01:18:42   Gunsmoke mentioned Gunsmoke because when [TS]

01:18:45   because it because it was originally [TS]

01:18:47   radio show and when it became a hit CBS [TS]

01:18:51   said I let's take it to this new medium [TS]

01:18:53   television but part of the reason it was [TS]

01:18:57   a hit was because of the cast and submit [TS]

01:19:00   the star of the show Matt Dillon was was [TS]

01:19:02   William Conrad and they took one look at [TS]

01:19:05   him and said this is there is no way and [TS]

01:19:07   you know an enormous fat Marshall this [TS]

01:19:10   and that's something that man right [TS]

01:19:14   right and and they tried to get John [TS]

01:19:17   Wayne and John Wayne said I'm not doing [TS]

01:19:19   television and so they finally found [TS]

01:19:22   james arness indicate they say [TS]

01:19:23   reconfigured the character a little bit [TS]

01:19:26   he's much more i mean the TV shows fun i [TS]

01:19:28   prefer the radio version but but Conrad [TS]

01:19:32   was shattered for a couple years and [TS]

01:19:35   just went into directing until until [TS]

01:19:38   cannon it was Quinn Martin productions [TS]

01:19:41   said hey let's let's get that guy back [TS]

01:19:44   an old he's got a great voice [TS]

01:19:45   alright well I feel like we have done [TS]

01:19:47   this this thing that flittered flitted [TS]

01:19:51   through the transom of my mind at one [TS]

01:19:52   point I said that should be an episode i [TS]

01:19:53   think we've done it [TS]

01:19:54   justice so it's fun joining in your [TS]

01:19:57   delusional thinking Jason thank you Andy [TS]

01:19:59   and Nicole I appreciate you being a part [TS]

01:20:01   of this adventure / delusion David Laura [TS]

01:20:04   thank you for a diluting or adventuring [TS]

01:20:07   with me too [TS]

01:20:08   I'm anyway i can only say vice versa my [TS]

01:20:11   goodness but we're replacing you with [TS]

01:20:13   the next episode with a different actor [TS]

01:20:14   sorry glass lives [TS]

01:20:16   sure no you're not dan more'n know not [TS]

01:20:22   how this works [TS]

01:20:23   Erica and sign thank you for being back [TS]

01:20:25   I think [TS]

01:20:26   thank you very much for having me i [TS]

01:20:27   can't wait to see you place me in the [TS]

01:20:29   next episode and well you'll never know [TS]

01:20:30   it's gonna be done syracuse oh that's [TS]

01:20:32   just how it's gonna be [TS]

01:20:34   you can't say hey like alcohol [TS]

01:20:38   hey there's a bright move move for [TS]

01:20:41   things great to have you back on we [TS]

01:20:43   should have your face on your topic [TS]

01:20:45   state [TS]

01:20:46   yeah and for everybody out there I i [TS]

01:20:50   will be passed [TS]

01:20:52   what are we played by blackstreet next [TS]

01:20:54   week but until then thanks for listening [TS]

01:20:57   being comfortable [TS]