Roderick on the Line

00:00:00 ◼   ► Roderick on the line is unabashedly [TS]

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00:00:10 ◼   ► find your doc hello hey John [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► hi Merlin is going well it feels like [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► the first time [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► mmm feels like the buzz tab [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► I think America's introduction to thomas [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► dolby they may not be aware was 44 [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► so what many people were aware of thomas [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► dolby from his what's called the Golden [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► Age wireless or whatever right album [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► pretty sure I that's because the title i [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► think he was the guy who played on the [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► keyboards on for order for i'm going to [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► check that I think you should have quite [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► a claim i would like to start collecting [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► all these in my own kind of personalized [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► version of turns out i think it is [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► actually [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► damn thats from myself from this moment [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► from head games back from be below who [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► i'm very glad that you brought a [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► foreigner [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► yes truthfully i would i would love I [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► would love to know because i have to [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► tell you there's again this is gonna be [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► my second turns out of the day I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► honestly I'm not have a pretty good idea [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► what you think of 44 but I have to be [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► honest with you i think i could see you [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► going either way hard on it right kind [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► of gas so i'll write on a card right on [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► the card and they need to eat with you [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► mind [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► okay go ahead write it on the card okay [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► I'll tell you what I think I'm writing [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► I'm running on the this is the first of [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► all the skinny a real scary day as you [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► know where this is [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► there's a lot of things are different [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► about today this night is different from [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► all others fastball that's true early [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► afternoon while we view the bitter herbs [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► I can't get anything past you [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► I'm going to johns foreigner for feeling [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► mmm feels like the person and I've [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► written down what I think your answer [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► will be John [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► it as much as you're comfortable saying [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► what is your position on the 1981 album [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► foreigner for urgent urgent urgent [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► urgent emergency kit i-44 I i have i [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► have a tremendous vulnerability i have a [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► soft i have a soft spot in my head where [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► my skull did not form completely all the [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► way you get a nice girl the musical fun [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► now that allows foreigner for in and it [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► and and its large there its large there [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► like a like a succubus and and I I can't [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► say a bad thing about it because [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► foreigner for came out in 1981 who which [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► was right between came out the summer of [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► 81 right between 7th and 8th grade for [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► me [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► oh that's what that's for a lot of stuff [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► oh oh my god would write weekend for [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that summer because that is a turning [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► point seven eight tonight both of those [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► summers were huge turning points [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► especially in music for me [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► yeah the summer between seventh and [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► eighth-grade i think is the summer [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► between when I started seventh grade I [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► was still let's be honest a sixth grader [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► who and that's because i was I have the [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► misfortune I think now looking back the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► misfortune of being born in September [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► and a when it came time to make that [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► decision in whatever 1973 year 219 [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► whatever that was came time to make the [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► decision do we put him in kindergarten [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► when he's a four-year-old or do we wait [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► an extra year and put them in [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► kindergarten use a five-year-old I was a [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► big kid I was a precocious kid and my [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► folks were like oh he'll be fine i was [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► going to say I was going to write in a [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► car that was gonna be my guest that they [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► went ahead and pushed in [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► that's early at that is so so i started [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► i started kindergarten for and that [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► means that i my whole life mean my best [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► friend in high school [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► his birthday was the first week of [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► december and he was I mean basically a [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► full year he was 10 months older than I [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► look [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► there was a kid in my gym at the junior [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► year my there was a kid was a junior my [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► senior year and he and I have the exact [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► same birthday and so I spent my whole [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► life you know kind of a little bit in [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► school [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► grunting that I was a that i was i was [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► ready for this you know i was i was [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► there and now everybody else all the [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► other commercially first day in the [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► cellblock he had because you seriously [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► screwed up the courage maybe he took [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► some courses you know you're ready hurt [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► went up to the biggest kid who already [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► had a mustache and you know and just [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► clocked him like come on [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► but you know all the kids that were it's [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► not just it's very noticeable when [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► everybody else is going into puberty and [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► you are still playing with Hot Wheels [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► cars this is where your camp is going to [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► help so many people it's right but its [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► it but it's also true it's also [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► noticeable when you're in third grade I [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► mean you just I just did I never I was [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► always big and I always was articulate [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► but i did not have the emotional [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► maturity to be there within know and and [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► you know i graduated from high school [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► when I was 17 and was not ready to be [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► set loose on the world so anyway so we [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► refinish finished high school he left [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► high school I eventually finished high [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► school but a lot i guess i gotta we [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► don't have the only the French have a [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► word for being asked to leave high [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► school with credit limit English there's [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► no English word for that [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► let's go beyond sewer you are not words [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► haha haha Freeman permit me to scratch [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► it the perfect but all those records [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► that came out so you know up until [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► nineteen eighty I i think i've said this [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► before i was still listening to my [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► parents music which in my dad's case was [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► big band music and write about 1980a [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► became a suddenly hyper aware of pop [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► music being a thing that other kid that [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► there was a thing that you could you [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► could differentiate between the cool [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► kids were new the cool kids warrant and [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► music became this this as a [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► suddenly this monolith that was sticking [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► up out of a gravel field at the who had [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► just peed on and and foreign or 4i think [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► was among the first few records that i [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► was aware of in the moment you know it [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► wasn't like hey dude you should listen [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► to the beatles it was this record just [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► came out and the other one of course [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► with back in black but the book [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► apparently produced by the same man i [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► will know i did not again I I don't [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► interrupt you but i have just learned [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► from looking at this one page on [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► wikipedia i have learned so much about [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► 44 that I never knew including that it [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► was produced by mr. robert john martin [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► wang wang that's right it was a big year [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► nineteen 1981-82 those were big ears [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► from online spot back in the Box 80 [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► right back in black was a year before [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► foreigner for ya so right am and you [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► know on the wall by pink floyd who i [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► think i was like late 79 you're 78 he [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► was when he remember because I was in I [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► was in seventh grade and in military [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► school and my the guys in the next room [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► had it high and dry by Def Leppard also [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► by robert robert john mutt lange but my [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► motherland production so he was [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► producing a lot of Records i can't i [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► can't imagine what his workload must [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► have been like in 1980 imagine if we [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► have time at the end of this episode i [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► think we should go back and maybe review [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► everything he did for those three years [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► because i have a feeling you obviously [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► have a lot of respect for the mansion [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► and Shania Twain notwithstanding [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► well you know that there's so many [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► there's so many myths about matt lange [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► particularly that he would sit and [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► record guitar chords one string at a [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► what that about you getting anything [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► from Canada college the Hatfield story [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► about def leppard was he said listen [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► these get your guitar chords sound too [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► muddy so we're just gonna you're gonna [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► you're gonna fret each note individually [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► and then we're going to mix it together [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► and that'll be the risk of talking out [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► of my ass [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► that sounds very much like the kind of [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► thing someone who's never played an [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► instrument or record in their life would [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► say yeah it doesn't make any sense at [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► all but it's absolutely no sense that [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► makes something you should you know your [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► automobile go faster if we just went one [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► tired [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► time but uh but the idea i do have a [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► tremendous respect for those records and [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► if you I can't believe this now that I'm [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► now that i'm looking into this high and [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► dry came out on in on july eleventh and [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► 44 came out one week later [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► no we don't talk about or no no I'm [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► sorry when we realize second-by-second [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► so I mean I was at that moment [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► july july second 1981 I was almost [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► surely playing dig dug at the Tastee [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► Freez at the corner of lake otis and [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► northern lights and I and sitting on [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► Johnny's lap and I was not sucking on a [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► chili dog because that record came out [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► right about that same time to god damn [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► John Cougar record and that was because [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that is the beginning of my [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► consciousness right i did not like the [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► John Cougar record I didn't like the [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► foreigner record we watching TV at this [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► point not in this is very early actually [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► you know what this is i think this would [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► be a month before MTV started [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► yeah and I'm not a year later John [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► Cougar formerly Johnny cougar not yet [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► John Mellencamp just John Cougar at this [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► point that hurts so good and Jack and [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► Diane was on about every five or six [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► minutes yeah so mtv now I'm now I see [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► was one month later 44 came out july [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► first july second MTB launched august [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► first 1981 you know this is Genesis our [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► april nineteen that are able 1865 that's [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► exactly that's exactly right as they [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► were adventure yes it's the month it's a [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► month unlike any other and then now we [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► we are beginning reconstruction and you [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► are we have we have become teenagers and [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► their carpet-bags we did not get mtv in [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► Anchorage until later so it didn't it [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► came in nineteen eighty-two i think but [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► i was absolutely [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► my my my aunt my aunt martha worked at [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► the cable company in Anchorage and so I [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► don't and I'm not sure at the time I [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► felt like maybe she was watching over us [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► uh but now that i think about it with a [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► clear head I realized that that's that's [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► not how things work your aunt at the [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► cable company does not make your [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► neighborhood be the first one to get [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► cable and an egg did you have to steal [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► it from your betters did you know that [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► it lists all the original that was the [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► one that they beamed they seemed into [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► like Chiclets shaped antennas that were [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► on your roof but no one cable finally [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► came where they actually install the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► cable in your house we were in the first [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► 50 families in the city to get it [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► because our neighborhood was where they [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► started so I was one of the first [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► Alaskans to get MTV well I just SAT [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► indian style with my nose I was like for [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► me which every especially the mtv it was [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► like every conceivable minute of the day [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► and it really it reached at it really [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► reached ahead when I wanted to watch MTV [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► before school because already i would [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► get up late because I was a teenager but [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► boy that was super controversial and [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► then I was always remember I think about [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► the city of my daughter and like I most [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► one more one more video just one more [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► just let me see what the next one is [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► because there's no way there's no TVs no [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► way of knowing right now because this [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► could actually deliver by adam and the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► ants you never know i should actually [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► wait to stand and deliver could be it [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► could be walked by captain sensible it [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► could be it could be video killed the [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► radio star could have been any of those [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► that will probably be only the lonely by [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the motels right that was it that was a [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► hell John this is I've got I've got my [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► cards my car to run it over first of all [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► I which you can see the Sun you see I'd [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► written a word yes that you would [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► probably have a soft spot now what I had [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► not accounted for was exactly how much I [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► want to just eat first couple of minutes [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► yes at least and from that barrier think [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► it leave it leave it by a dyad that i [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► got from the Buggles get that [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► yeah that's Trevor Horn that that should [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► be our that should be one of our one of [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► our theme songs because leave it is the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► thing that I'm constantly saying too [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► much leave it leave and i discovered the [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► orchestra staff but you know cable TV at [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► that area also introduced me to benny [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► hill which I which my mind my 7th 8th [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► grade mind could only barely grasp that [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► there was such a thing as benny hill [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► because it because Berryhill Berryhill [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► was my mel brooks in [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► he probably be perfectly expressed the [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► kind of tits and ass the the exact [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► amount of tits and ass that my brain was [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► capable of handling which was to say [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► that many hell would you know would run [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► past a girl and somehow her nurse's [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► outfit would fall over and you could see [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► her pantyhose and then she would work [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► wearing a lacy bra to be having a lazy [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► brown and then they would run after each [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► other around to the you know to plan our [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► little better i feel like i got so [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► ripped off i saw I've seen Sophie like [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► to lacy bras ever complains real life [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► well I mean there was a point in the [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► early eighties when i was writing that [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► broad window with ladies would still [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► wear at one point had a again you had [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► just lifted lady and she when she wore a [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► lot lacy bra and it was you know you [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► look back from that boy that's that you [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► know what here's the thing if they if we [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► if they had not if Benny Hill had not [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► come along we would have had to invent [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► him because you're right you're right in [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► the pocket all so confusing to backhand [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► any in the TV evangelist like a few that [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► look like 20 him came along i realized i [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► did not need to bear any hands a lot [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► more fun to watch what you're feeling [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and you're listening yakety sax alright [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► but has your job gotten hotter than [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► fresh pumpkin le tired of kissing the [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► wrong bird mired down by your managers [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► fear of even the slightest vision and [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► corporate discourse [TS]

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00:14:37 ◼   ► conversations together in one digital [TS]

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00:14:40 ◼   ► you can even work from home and you're [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► altogether sealed to your red leather [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► chair just steps away from all your [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► favorite globes candlesticks and cowboy [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► boots as you do so go to igloo [TS]

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00:14:55 ◼   ► team in from the cold by getting inside [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► the igloo in any case [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► well you know the thing about lacy bras [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► my problem with Lacey that's my name [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► that's not a pole dancer named by the [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► way [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► lacy bra I never I'd that for whatever [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► reason did not click with me and I and I [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► grew up in the area of looking at a [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► girl's underwear ads in the Sears [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► catalog [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► like lacy bra should have been in my [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► wheelhouse but but as I as I grew up to [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► be a young adults and I started seeing [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► lacy bras for the first time I did not [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► lacy bras gave me no thrill and to this [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► day when I when I a young lady and that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► does the big reveal and she has on fancy [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► underwear who I'm like em I think that's [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► I can you know it's so funny because I [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► say we I think we've got this point [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► probably should cease all discussion of [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► ZZ top videos because I could reach to [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► the moratorium level but but that really [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► that was imprinted on me you know like [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► what is your problem lady broch little [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► lower and Konrad Lorenz and the Ducks [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► quandary Lawrence began printing right [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► so now i'm chasing ducks if you like it [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► but you you are learning to fly my dog [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► cultural aight who I got one shot i get [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► a few shot one shot i got many many [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► shots at lady boss and let's be honest I [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► went through a lot of catalogs even [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► before I understood what to deal with [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► them I was hoarding them and we wanted [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► to figure out what to do with them i [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► realized that that was my duck you know [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► yeah well I was busy top video imprinted [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► on me that I bet a neon pink mini skirt [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► who was a thing that I could really [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► literally get behind the texture is a [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► thing is that i know you don't use that [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► word lightly that is that I mean that [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► girl i'm talking about the one that had [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► the lacy ankle socks in my stress man [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► that's the shorter give me all your [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► luvin oh that one's a little oh she was [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► a mix she was a mix that's exactly right [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► well you don't tell she was even more [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► there's always there's one in each one [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► there's the one that's more like it is [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► one in the 1i thinking not give me all [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► your love and that's a sharp dressed man [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► there's one who you can tell it's like [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► twice as dirty as the other ones twice [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► as dirty that's exactly right and and i [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► think that's a pretty 30 time but the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► long blond haired one she's never as [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► dirty as you wanted to be it's always [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► the kiddush one who that kinda has the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► tousled hair and pulling that ankle [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► socks [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► anyway we leaving madison there's a [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► problem with the underwear though and I [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► don't want to be that was hitting [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► controversial here but you know it's i [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► have had this rule of thumb for a long [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► time I would like me the great rules of [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► thumb [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► I learned it too late but we've talked [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► about this a long time ago you got to be [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► careful where you meet people because [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► you know do you really want to meet [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► somebody at a place you want to do you [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► want to go out with somebody that you [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► met a place you go to all the time [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► because when you break up you have to [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► see them all the time or like with you [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► accidentally where you even with that [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► sure don't shit where you in every is [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► the other one so if you accidentally [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► went to a class and learning latch hook [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► rugs that maybe that's something you can [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► enjoy but you never understand your [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► culture what I'm saying is this if you [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► meet somebody who's real real [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► comfortable taking off their clothes and [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► as fancy underwear red flag red flag [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► because I'm just saying like they're did [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► I like the fancy underwear and I and I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► can enjoy the taking off the clothes [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► fast but those two together that that [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► could be a stress bump you're saying [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► well yeah you're not the first one [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► you're not the first one you can gauge [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► how your relationship one and based on [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► how you're you and that person's other [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► previous relationships event you will [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► never be any different [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► right needle she unfortunately well I [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► you know I i I'm I'm so confused I'm [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► still soaked and released [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► well in the sense that in the sense that [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► i went into puberty with a lot of ideas [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► about how it was going to go like i did [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► I was not somebody upon whom adulthood [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► like the snuck up unawares right i think [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► a lot of kids a lot of kids in there it [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► there 10 years old and then all of a [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► sudden they start to have these feelings [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► and they have no context for them and so [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► they're just following their instinct [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► but I was a person who by the time he [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► became an adult had read so much about [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► being an adult and had had thought about [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► being an adult so much at prognosticated [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► how being an adult would feel that when [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► adulthood arrived I had too many plans [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► and I did not I did not take it i did [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► not have an instinctual response to [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► puberty or an instinctual kind of [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► transition from youth to adulthood I was [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► trying to push it i was trying to get [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► there faster i was trying to I felt like [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► I already knew how it was gonna go and [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► was trying to get in in between myself [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► and adulthood and make some changes [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► before it went wrong [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► wow you in that way we're kind of like [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► in training [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► well and I was fucking my I was fucking [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► it up as I went you know somebody would [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► a a thirteen-year-old girl would walk up [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► to me and say do you want to go with me [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► and I would say go with you where you [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► know it was I was not paying attention [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► to what was happening I was trying to I [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► was trying to figure it out i was trying [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► to I was trying to make sure that i [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► didn't get duped was trying to make sure [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► that i didn't get led astray and so I [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► have this have this mental picture that [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► a bit relationships were going to be [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► hard but you didn't want to [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► you didn't want to get a let down a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► primrose path by fast girl but you also [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► didn't want to get stuck with a prude [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► and the reality was all the girls were [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► 13 years old there were the difference [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► between a fast girl and a prude at 13 is [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► like it's you're talking about a stack [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► opinion because it's all your abstract [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► like at that point you've got these [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► these abstractions that have no basis in [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► reality it's a little bit like trying to [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► look again trying to learn guitar like [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► not just by playing a guitar and a [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► tennis racket but getting tablature but [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► then trying to do it on a tennis racket [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► that's right it's like well you know you [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► you're certainly going to pick some [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► things up but until you actually hold [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► that guitar it's it's not the same thing [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► now here's the other thing that's [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► interesting about you John as you use [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► stipulated for the record that you were [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► never somebody who wanted to study up on [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► intercourse and I think a lot of people [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► made the same mistakes that you're [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► describing here but they did with [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► intercourse they thought that they could [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► get a you know get a Betamax copy of [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► Porky's and and no and no what to do and [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► youyou avoid that you said you should [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► leave it but you focused on what you [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► study what like Kramer vs Kramer you [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► knew that you were in a rocky road is [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► that was your poor for the record what [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► airport when I was 13 years old and [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► and so you know I felt like I had a good [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► friend who that this this friend that [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► I'm talking about it [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► his name is Kevin he was a year older [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► than I was he was my best friend and he [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► was a year more advanced than i was in [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► in all the emotional ways you know he [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► and I maybe were peers in the sense that [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► we were we were in the same grade you [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► know but but he was he was way way out [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► in front and he would call me and say I [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► I was hanging out with the you know [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► Rachel the other day and I would go [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► and he said yeah and we were it was fall [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► you know it was autumn or whatever and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► he would say I I grabbed a bunch of [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► leaves and I stuffed him down the front [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► of her sweater and I was like well that [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► wasn't very polite and he said and then [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► I then I had a then she was like you [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► need to get those leaves out of there [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► and then I I reach down in front of her [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► sweater and like one by one [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► pull the leaves out Wow and I was like [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► well that sounds like you might have [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► touched her boob and he was like yeah [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► exactly like like 15 times because i [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► shud 15 leaves down there and she was [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► like you have to get him out of here [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► genius right and i will but but I was [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► and she's in a position to say get your [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► goddamn hand out of my shirt if she [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► doesn't want it to honor that like a [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► gentleman or if she's really not again [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► she a state conspire she's not least [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► reverse know she was like you need to [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► get those leaves out of my sweater and [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► I'm I'm listening to the story and i am [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► a guest [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► yeah I and i feel i canna and I and I [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► start to lecture him like listen I don't [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► know are you sure you're ready for this [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► like touching boobs is a serious step [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► like are you prepared to honor that [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► commitment feel like starting to smoke [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► it would be one of those things where [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► you're like it let's not really for us [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► that's well but but also like I felt [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► like now having touched her boob in the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► pursuit of an errant leaf he had entered [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► into a tacit contract with this girl [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► that he needed 2 he needed to man up and [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► and honor this honor the code and he was [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► like what are you talking about man [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► I mean I just I i got i feel i feel some [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► boobs and my feeling was well yeah but [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► are you ready to get married and I was I [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► was just like some so backwards on it [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► and this whole question of like all the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► fast girl [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► it wasn't even that the fast i was not [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► worried about getting the stress pump I [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► was worried that the fast girl was [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► emotionally hurt [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► well I would be tested lately the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► fastest was a was an expression of her [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► emotional hurtness and I was in a [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► position to take advantage bad enough [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► and i was i was an honorable man [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► oh god never in a million years that I [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► i'm totally sympathizing with her in [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► that scenario as it sounds like you [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► would be where you become less that's [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► completely inappropriate and the problem [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► is also that know you got this broken [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► paradigm fast that was fast they don't [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► know what the hell they're doing right [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► feeling you're putting your hand down [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► the front of your shirt with any rate [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► it's like they have no idea what they're [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► doing [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► it's hell yeah it's not it certainly is [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► an expression isn't an expression of [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► being fast or emotionally damaged or [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► like on the way to being on the way to [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► working in a red light district in [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► jakarta it's she's just a girl and she [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► wants you to touch her boob and you want [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► to touch her boobs so i'm sure she just [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► wants to see what it's like to have [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► somebody you know what I mean it's a [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► little different you sitting around [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► going oh I want boob touching she's more [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► like I don't know what the fuck this [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► isn't these leaves are going to provide [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► adequate cover for me to find out how [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► this goes [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► yeah right she's not you it's exactly [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► right she didn't go into it thinking [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► maybe today is the day when I can't wait [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► till fall and that and that is exactly [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► the sweater weather approaching my [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► teenage life like maybe today is the day [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► that I find a way to brush up against a [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► boob where no one owes anybody anything [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► and no one's gonna end up divorced and [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► and and and by the time I finally did [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► touch a boob it was like come on Jesus [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► Christ that was a long time in becoming [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► and you know this girl was just like [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► come on get it real seriously [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► so this is what happens when you think [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► too much thinking way too much thinking [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► too much thinking and it was it was a [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► way it was it was thinking as a way of [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► trying to get in front of all the fear [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► that i felt about these transitions that [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► I think other at least the kids i [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► admired a and I and it's not that I [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► admired them as people but I admired [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► their progress IRA I admired the reports [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► that you get those 8th graders also when [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► you start getting real reports about [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► other kids like did you hear what did [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► you hear what Derek did mm-hmm what a [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► dirt lot of summer's let you come back [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► from summer and you hear a lot of Intel [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► about what went down [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► people got finger-banged and all these [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► terrible things where was just like my a [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► mite my second-best friend at the time [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► to some finger banging over the summer [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► was anybody hurt I know fingerbang that [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► sounds really Bibles yeah I still [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► thought vaginas were on the front of the [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► pelvis at that point I did you know [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► based on my arm between the bellybutton [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► member i'm going down more like you I [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► thought I thought it was I thought it [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► was more like like you're like a USB [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► port [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► yeah third I yeah and I mean I'm sitting [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► there imagine that the logistics of that [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► you got popcorn and then you gotta eat [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► it and I don't know there's just so much [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► about that was such a morass for me I [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► was scared to look for the longest time [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► I just got the longest time I just I [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► wanted to it was a mystery I knew is a [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► mystery i would try to draw it from [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► memory and even I didn't have any [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► memories i was looking books and its [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► just oh and then here's the thing so you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► go home that night you find out about [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► the leaf incident you go home [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► it's not on your mind right you just [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► used to run watch watch you know watch [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► game shows no I would sit and I would [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► think about that for three days and i [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► would get mad if I was thinking about [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► your what's-his-name Derek no Kevin [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► Kevin I would sit there and think about [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► get Kevin and the leaf girl and i would [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► i would talk about ruminating I would [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► obsess over that probably for like a [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► week and just getting more emotional [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► about it it's funny how being mad is the [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► response because the next day at school [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► I would be unable to look at her I would [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► be mad at her [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► yeah not not i would be mad at her [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► because she allowed herself to be [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► violated by my best friend and I yeah [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► all of these are very in one way they're [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► they're much more [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► sophisticated feelings then I had any [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► right to have because i didn't [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► understand that they were they were [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► above my pay grade [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► um like why those were my responses is [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► in some ways still a mystery to me and [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► and and those responses like a like [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► changed they they affected what I did [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► next and so in that way we changed my [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► life and and are still I still feel them [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► as a burden now even if in my forties [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► and I want to think about whether i want [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► to when I imagined my life that small [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► choice i mean there's there there are [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► not very many choices that you can make [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► that in the moment kind of feel so small [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► but if if my folks had said let's hold [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► him back here and i had started [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► kindergarten at five and turned six in [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► that first few weeks I mean I honestly [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► cannot imagine a thing that would have [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► made my life more profoundly different [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► than to have been one of the oldest kids [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► in my class rather than one of the [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► youngest um I'm glad we held our [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► daughter back where i will later do [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► another year of the before kindergarten [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► stuff and I'm starting field [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► she'll know when it's time to stop the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► leaves i think yeah I don't think [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► there's any I don't think there's any [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► reason to ever put your kid if you can [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► if you can hold the back i can [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► understand this is this is where we get [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► we're gonna get what you're going to get [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► email about this but we are we [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► I could understand if you were this [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► here's the thing i also much here [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► ok so for what it's worth my mom was in [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► that position she got jammed in early [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► she hated it she was already small she [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► already felt she wasn't super duper [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► smarts but they dropped into the public [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► school because she's more November I'm [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► or November you're born in December [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► Eleanor's born in October we're all in [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► that area of what you're really but [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► that's crazy that they sent you and [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that's too that's that's the time i was [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► born in Section nuts [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► so what it wasn't that crazy but it was [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► I cheese I don't know I mean I but I all [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► I'm saying is like I my mom literally [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► and hated people said are you sure about [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► and you know i think it at that time in [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► the in the early seventies the idea was [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► from you know this was that was this [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► like guys have our age my mama out the [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► other thing is gonna say--there's that [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► I'm my mom hated being early and I love [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► being late so I was no event in november [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and I once I started when I was five and [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► I was always on the older I was enlarged [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► i'm not a big person but it made a huge [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► difference and you can just see the [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► shrimpy kids that got into early and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► they already had everything going [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► against them and it just made it a [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► thousand times worse they were they got [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► Konrad Lorenz by the schools and the [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► kids and then they were always the [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► trippy kid until they left it probably [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► came at our sniper and then everything I [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► never got to get a good every probably [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► never got a good handful leaves unless [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► they interact somebody out to cover [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► something i think i think what happened [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► in the seventies was that we had we had [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► all these new techniques to do to [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► measure a child intelligence but no one [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► had really formulated the idea that i'm [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► most that our emotion of that there was [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► an emotional intelligence and that it's [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► summer at a different rate oh my god [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► so true the idea is to big points first [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► of all you've got it in my case starting [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► it'sit's so staggering to me to think [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► about what public school was like for me [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► when I was 10 verses what it's like for [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► a ten-year-old today because this is [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► back in the days when you know we still [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► had funding out the but you know there [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► are kids who came in there and now [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► they're the school was their parent they [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► came in and got free breakfast at seven [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► in the morning they stay there after [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► school programs there are sports so you [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► know on the one hand that you know there [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► was the money there where you could say [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► well at least I know if I put my [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► four-year-old into kindergarten you know [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► it's going to be okay [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► they're going to get a hot meal and [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► they're not going to end up in jail yeah [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► and now today I don't think that same [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► guarantee is there i mean like we rather [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► pay a little bit of dough and have her [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► in this you know it's different for [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► everybody and try to judge but like I [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► think there's a lot more confidence but [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► also John you and I I don't know how [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► this was in your house but we're also [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► from if you think about that swinging [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► pendulum I think you and I are from the [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► age of don't be nice to your kid or [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► they'll become fruity up alright don't [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► the thing is if you if you breastfeed if [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► you press the feet it's going to be [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► inconvenient and you're going to make a [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► fruit they're going to be a little fruit [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► don't be don't be too supportive you [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► know but you know think the main [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► argument that my parents had about my [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► upbringing was that my mom really [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► guarded my the time that I spent sitting [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► staring at a spot on the wall and my dad [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► had that the the reaction that you're [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► describing which was [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► what's the matter with that little fruit [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► he's been sitting and staring at a spot [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► on the wall for two hours [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► he needs to get the fuck up and go out [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► and and throw a ball around right and my [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► mom's that's not how you become a [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► senator my mom would jump in front of it [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► should be like david h now he's doing [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► something it's not clear what we need to [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► we need to like respect this and he [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► would go [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► got dammit it's not right there's [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► something wrong [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► he's look at him and I'd be sitting [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► there absolutely catatonic staring at a [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► spot on the wall and in my imagination I [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► was commanding a flotilla of space [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► battleships and dad was like I don't [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► know what he's thinking about but I [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► don't like it [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► yeah and if either one of them against [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► they both be wrong [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► yeah yeah my mom was the game that I [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► don't know what that I was Byron and I [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► was writing I was like improving the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► quadratic equation something like that's [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► what I was really doing was fighting an [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► epic epic space battle or I was really [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► fighting World War two because i started [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► doing that in a team may contain seven [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► before and I've been refighting world [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► war two ever since i have fought World [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► War two I fought every battle war to a [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► thousand times in my imagine you could [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► have done it better kenya i am free [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► aspect of it I could have done better [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► you think it's purely from hindsight or [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► just to cheer the superior strategist or [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► more is it also you got a certain amount [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► of emotional detachment maybe you [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► understand very hard to know how many of [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► us would have would have reacted in real [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► time but if I were hermann göring who I [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► would not have let the battle of britain [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► go the way it went [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► let's just say that let's just say that [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► let me ask you this if you we mention of [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► Russian side what's up [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► let's now that's another show ok I don't [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► want to solve by Hitler but if you were [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► Hitler would you have cracked down on [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► the essay a lot sooner be a lot later or [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► never [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► see just in whatever that 3490 long [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► knives your opinion on dealing with the [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► restroom in the essay did how was [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Hitler's timing on that because i have [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► written something down haha let's [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► stipulate he needed the support he [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► needed the support of the of the various [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► industry you know what sort of looking [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► for the captains of industry that's not [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► just kept on subscribe 12 and destroyed [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► and verkan scheisse scheisse [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► you know the thing is if I don't you [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► know i'm leaving i'm leading you towards [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► what's already on my card but I'm just [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► saying BMW and and bear and zyklon b [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► people from crop crop fucking corrupt [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► they were always a more indie Hitler [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► after he got the goons out of the [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► streets but he never would have gotten [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► there without the fucking goons your [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► opinions on water [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► si2 early SI too late but you know the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► bride I feel like a I feel like one of [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► the things that we that we can't know [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► the week that we could that we [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► underestimate how difficult it was [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► domestically for Hitler particularly as [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► his it particularly because his [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► constituency work was not just the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► Germans in Germany but the Germans in [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► all of Central Europe the race that we [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► forget about you said after when people [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► are scattered all these Germans living [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► in Czechoslovakia don't think of [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► themselves as as as being slaughtered [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► they think of themselves as being [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► Germans they're displaced German space [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► oh yeah what I mean for 700 years before [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► 10 drivers everywhere there's Germans [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► all over Europe and you know Hitler has [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► this Hitler has this constituency that [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► he that he either believes is his or [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► actually instance but in either it [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► either way like there is no you know [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► there is it isn't like England where the [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► borders of England are our its water all [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► around and there's no big community of [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► English living in France you know it's [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that England is a discreet little Empire [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► it's a it's a castle basically with a [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► look with a big moat [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► and Germany is Germany is a is a fried [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► egg that's splattered all over you know [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► from i mean the the Swedes are the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► Swedes identify sort of as Germanic I [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► mean they certainly felt a lot more [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► common cause with the Germans then then [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► they would like you to remember who [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► they're Germans everywhere so this this [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► problem of i was reading this [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► interesting thing on metafilter the [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► other day about the question of why the [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► intelligence agents of Germany failed so [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► spectacularly why the British had such [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► great intelligence and why the German [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► sense that's terrible intelligence and [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► one of the interesting comments was that [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► all the great intelligence agents all [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► that you know it's a it's a special kind [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► of person that becomes a spy and all the [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► great German spies were busy spying on [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► the the the first the their fellow [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► Germans and second like all the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► partisans in all the countries that they [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► occupied like the German spies weren't [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► spying on the British they were spying I [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► see each other and on my slab that well [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► yeah but that that fucked him up in the [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► war because the British knew what the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► Germans were doing in the Germans were [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► the Germans were fooled multiple times [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► in the war by my intelligence operatives [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► the British would say oh we're debating [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► over here that they would invade Amina [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► is this is this too reductive what [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► you're saying that it isn't like you [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► know you're not saying that the Germans [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► distrust their own people almost as much [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► as the English but they don't there [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► isn't [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► there's there's enough diversity or well [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► this is the SRAM problem major talking [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► about Leia there were a lot of Nazis who [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► didn't like nazism there were a lot of [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► Germans who were forced into a swearing [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► a both of believers and they were into [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► that then we have to also stipulates [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► defend Hitler you know as you do but but [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► but before a lot of that came to light a [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► lot of it was just you know cultural [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► saber rattling [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► think it was it was much more about [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► economics yes you could certainly [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► scapegoat these people but in the [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► beginning you you have you had a bunch [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► of people who retired having their ass [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► kicked and there's some people just like [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► that fist fights but you think don't you [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► think the Brownshirts little just goons [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► a lot of them ever since Rome I mean you [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► know where my kids I don't know that [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► many SI people but he did you know I [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► know I don't like dudes which is awkward [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► but but that's the thing that the the [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► Nazis came to power by bullying [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► everybody and so they have they had a [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► lot of people in Germany that resented [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► them that could though they couldn't [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► afford to say so but when it came time [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► you know when somebody in a trenchcoat [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► saddled up to them in a dark alley and [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► said hey uh you know things aren't [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► looking so good for Germany after the [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► war will give you a will give you a [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► special place somewhere if you just let [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► us know where you're keeping all the [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► 50-gallon drums of heavy water and there [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► were guys were like you know what yeah [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► what these guys here here's the secret [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► plans and it's because they were never [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► not cease to begin with and and they [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► were and you know they had no allegiance [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► or loyalty to to the party in in the [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► sense that the it in and the British for [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► instance you know they were just [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► defending their homeland there was no it [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► transcended party politics for them [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► there was no no one was no ink no [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► Britain was gonna was going to betray [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► England unless he was a real anti-semite [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► ER but nutcase know who so so in any way [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► that the thug ism in the short-term the [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► brown shirt ism you know had there there [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► there there are a lot of repercussions [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► in the in the in the short term like [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► you're saying in the thirties but [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► long-term the fact that they brought the [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► front of the fact that the first people [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► that the Nazis brought under their boots [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► were the Germans who [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► resulted in I mean there were all kinds [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► of fanatical followers but some of the [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► aristocrats that Hitler really could [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► have used on his team they were playing [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► both sides against the middle point [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► isn't that isn't ultimately one of the [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► things that made that the events around [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► night along as successful as he also [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► sent a message he sent a message to I [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► mean he had trouble all along with the [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► military right the actual the because [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► the general the generals were extremely [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► suspicious at best of him and this was [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► sent a messenger man army command who in [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► the thirties they still had huge [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► feathers in their hats you know what I [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► mean like babies were fighting spirit [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► isn't worth isn't worth clarifying that [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► there was not like one big clubhouse at [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► all these guys lived in [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► I mean it as late as like 19 32 33 34 [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► there's still a huge amount of suspicion [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► about the guy [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► well this is the thing about that this [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► is the thing about Eris the aristocracy [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► this is the i mean up until up until the [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► 1860s in Europe 1868 all these countries [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► were ruled by kings and had been for a [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► thousand years and there were fits and [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► starts different countries became [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► parliamentary you know they deposed [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► they're starting after the French [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► Revolution um we we lost Kings kind of [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► gradually the French lost their King [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► first and then little by little the [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► aristocracy was declining in power but [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► by the in the early 20th century those [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► the clip class still played such a huge [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► role in how Europe thought of itself and [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► the the military was traditionally where [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► the the highborn people went into the [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► officer corps and Hitler was a pillow [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► with some rat he was a usable an orphan [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► and a guttersnipe you know so these [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► people have no respect for him at all [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► but it was also the rise of the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► industrialist and a lot of those [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► industrialists were aristocrats and a [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► lot of them were self-made men you know [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► at the finish all the currents the [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► social currents that were boiling in [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► Central Europe throughout the end of the [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► 19th century and into the early 20th [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► century they all had to do with this [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► this the sense that there were no more [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► kings but what's going to governance is [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► it going to be an is going to be an idea [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► is it going to be like an tonight an [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► idea that two men had marks and angles [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► icare here we have we have envisioned [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the whole exchange between men and we've [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► written it down in a couple of books and [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► these are these are ideas that are [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► stronger than any thing that that we [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► might have they're stronger than [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► tradition and they're stronger than any [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► first-hand experience that anybody might [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► have had this idea is a is an overlay [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that we're going to we're going to start [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► looking at our lives in light of this [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► concept now you know and and that had [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► that let the let the mice out of the box [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► and everybody had an idea everybody had [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► a new idea how capital and labor [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► interacted with each other and people [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► were literally fighting about it in bars [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► not not not just in Germany but I mean [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► this was the this was the world my dad [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► grew up in here in Washington state [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► where you're getting in fist fights in [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► bars with people in arguments over the [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► relationship between labor and capital [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► and now we've we live in a in a world [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► where these ideas are not certainly they [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► are they've been so been so hacked at [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► with sabers from both sides that you [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► talk about the Tea Party or the the [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► route the election that we're having in [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► America right now we're still having a [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► national argument about the relationship [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► between labor and capital but nobody has [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► nobody has a common language anymore [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► nobody's really talking about it like [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► we're talking about it were yelling at [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► each other about this little discreet [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► what we're yelling at each other about [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► specific points of light you know rather [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► than anybody coming out and saying [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► here's my philosophy it's a because the [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► republican party feels like we don't [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► need a philosophy we need our philosophy [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► is lazy fair let everybody do what they [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► want to do and you know the Democrats [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► have been called communists for 90 years [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► so they can't the Democratic Party can't [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► stand up and say we've got a plan and [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► it's an overarching plan that addresses [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► the relationship between labor and [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► capital and here's what it requires it [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► requires that some people some people [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► take it in the shorts you know it [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► because because we want free lunches in [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► our schools [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► it's also it also puts any any this is [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► pretty rough but if you on it makes any [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► theoretical group of people less [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► effective if they either a mostly agree [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► on what they don't want or be can't even [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► agree on what they don't want and that's [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that's that's one less thing you have to [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► have like some kind of philosophy or you [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► know persuasive theory but you know if [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► thats one reason i think the Democrats [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► can often seem so scattered is that it [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► is kind of Limp sometimes there's not [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► there's almost an embarrassment about [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► having a strong philosophical [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► underpinning that you can stand behind [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► in a bar brawl [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► there's right there's nothing there's [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► nothing that feels muscular to most [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► liberals in a way that they would stand [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► up and in vino and they can you just see [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► something a whiny kids some of the time [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► because if you really believe it in the [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► way that those guys that union meeting [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► did you're going to stand up and say it [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► and it's going to be more it's gonna be [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► muscular as hell [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► it's just that I think most people again [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► and we could become like children with [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► maybe it's best we become like teenagers [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► because we identify very heavily with [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► who we don't want to be who we don't [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► like and who we want to smite for [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► hurting us which is not nearly the same [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► thing as saying no no here here is here [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► is a series of frame that we need to [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► fill with a certain kind of picture and [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► that's going to take a lot of courage [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► and it's going to a lot of resolve and a [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► lot of money [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► and and I just I think sometimes be [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► honest and conservatives are better that [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► their better at putting on a to [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► paraphrase the quote of the day you know [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► you put give a good fighter you give a [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► good show i think the conservatives tend [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► to do better fights and better shows [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► yeah but because the the the [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► Conservatives i mean the the Liberals [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► have gone down this weird path where [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► they have they have appointed themselves [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► the guardians of everyone who has a [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► grievance you know we Guardians [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► agreements it's the guard the Guardians [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► ingredients you know and and the end [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► they we have we've gone from the idea [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► that there are inalienable human rights [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► to a much more water down idea that [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► everyone has rights [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► everyone has the right to redress for [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► what they perceive to be their injuries [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► and those are not the same [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► those are not the same idea of what [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► constitute rights you know what I mean [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► the right to the when the Conservatives [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► talk about your rights [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► they're always talking about the right [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► property the right to bear arms and when [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► when liberals talk about rights they're [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► talking about the other time about this [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► this the what was originally a concept [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► of civil rights such as the right to [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► vote and a right to be protected by the [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► police [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► that's now been translated into the [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► right to not just the right to be a [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► brony because I will defend to the death [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► someone's right to be a brony patrick [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► henry said that but the right to be a [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► brownie and not have anybody tease you [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► wretches not a right which I don't think [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► you can call a right you know that is [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► not a right let's you used to put this [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► so on the pathway in my head and one [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► hearing is you know [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► there's a certain kind of liberal [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► mentality which is like you not only [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► can't say do these things you're not [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► only can't say certain things you not [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► only shouldn't even think certain things [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► but in order for me to protect the [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► people that you might potentially offend [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► with that you should apologize to me you [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► know when you say things about bronies [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► you should apologize to me and i'll let [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► them know you know what I mean it's that [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► whole thing of like you know there's [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► nothing to make anybody into a a a [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► gelding minority as we said better than [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► having white people apologize and defend [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► them [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► yeah you know what I mean it's like you [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► know and it really you could you become [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► like this existential lawyer for people [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► who never asked for counsel and you show [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► up and you go out and you say look at [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► all i could think of always save olive [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► oils father that terrible pop I'm of you [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► will be an apology [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► you know he owes me an apology terrible [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► Popeye movie that was a great movie [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► yeah it was a little bit like even for [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► even if you watching a DVD the cocaine [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► literally shoot our if you're on it was [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► an unusual choice for was a robert [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► altman did then Robert Altman just [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► deciding you think was a cocaine think [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► he finally just decided I'm going to do [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► a musical about an unfilmable cartoon if [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► nobody watches anymore dick ok I i think [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► what happened a lot of the seventies can [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► be explained by cocaine is that fair to [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► say absolutely only after the items into [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► the ratings to go ahead the whole [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► decline of Jimmy Chase oh ok that's a [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► fucking pity somehow somehow you know [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► your guy here [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► your good friend Bill Murray survived it [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► I don't know how surviving humans [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► feeling he did a lot of cocaine [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► oh yeah but but somehow he kept his [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► second st maarten-st martin cocaine [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► did you read his autobiography and [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► listen to the book on tape and I enjoyed [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► it very very much i just heard him on [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► fresh air in a in a repackaged [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► readmission of multiple interviews that [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► they re-edited from re-edit for their [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► DVD rerelease and Davies was in there [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► instead of Terry Gross who is in for [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► Davis who was in yes [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► and that and I heard that interview yeah [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► and Steve Martin sounds like he should [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► have done cocaine but may not have done [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► that much cocaine he seems like he's had [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► about him [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► Steve Martin talk about a guy who was [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► shagging some babes [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► no except he did some shagging but the [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► thing about steve martin i get the sense [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► is that he shags babes but not without [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► some not without thinking about it he [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► didn't just shaggin baby shagged a baby [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► and then he thought about it a little [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► bit and then that he didn't tell anybody [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► no no he's a man of he's a man he's a [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► very private person so I do feel like he [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► probably tried some cocaine but I i [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► think i think he he was not you never I [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► don't think Steve Martin never descended [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► into that pit of hell he just wanted to [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► get a magician if you've seen the card [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► that he used to give to people [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► no i don't think so i admire this a lot [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► and this is this true i met somebody who [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► got one of these you can search for [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► Steve Martin card on the internet and [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► you will find this seems a very private [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► man i sent me a link two million of [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► course I'm sorry I it's very private man [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► and you know notoriously so he won't [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► even talk about for a long time [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► apparently he would even you know [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► everybody knew that he liked art but he [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► won't even talk about like what art he [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► owned like he's just he's really it's [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► really does interesting fella [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► anyway uuid you know it doesn't like to [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► be bothered you so easy we know with [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► people is not with people he sitting [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► enjoying a meal and some because i was [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► only chance to learn you're so great [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► we've got to get connected and steve [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► martin is not a man who likes so as you [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► can see you're smart hand you could say [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► it was they can I get your autograph and [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► Steve Martin hand you a pre-printed card [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► that says this certifies that you've had [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► a personal encounter with me and that [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► you found me warm polite intelligent and [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► funny up that's all anybody wants [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► anybody wants I was at a restaurant one [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► time with Zooey Deschanel and we walked [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► out of the restaurant onto the sidewalk [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and there was a little group of people [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► Justin this was this before to a TV show [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► there's a little group of indie rock [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► people a couple of girls a couple of [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► boys they had skinny pants on and big [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► chunky glasses [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► and they had a sauce go in and they [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► waited patiently outside for an hour or [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► two [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► however long we were in there eating [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► dinner and we came outside and they were [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► like ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod ohmygod and so [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► it was very very gracious with them and [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► she signed all their things and then out [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► came their cameras and so he said hey [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► you guys I really don't feel like having [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► my picture taken right now because I [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► just feel I'm just out having lunch with [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► a friend is that cool and they were all [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► like oh totally totally of course and [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► nobody took our picture and all and off [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► we go [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► and it was an encounter where so it was [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► very human with them and all they wanted [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► was a card from her that said this [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► certifies that you have had a personal [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► encounter with me and the picture was [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► going to be that but then when Zoe asked [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► them not to take a picture in a really [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► nice way that became the card you know [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► how she had now that's on facebook now [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► they have a story they didn't need the [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► picture anymore because now they had a [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► story where they're like you know what i [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► meant no additional one time and she [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► asked me not to take a picture and it [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► was really cool and it and it was a it [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► was a also that you're saying they [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► actually really didn't mind they didn't [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► take a picture and they didn't mind [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► because now they had story and strains [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► credulity well it's out and i think it's [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► true and that's why I awesome that's [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► awesome dusty mine said hey steve martin [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► i'm a huge fan and he had and he said [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► nothing [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► he handed me this card and like winked [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► at me and then went back to what he was [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► doing [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► I would walk away with that card and i [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► would say I would you know check it [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► right i would Pat I would catch on that [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► card everybody for a year with you and [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► then the zoo Easter's are are different [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► in that regard president by the way up [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► are different from most people in that [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► regard where and I've been this creepy [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► guy and I've been on the receiving end [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► of this creepy guy which is it will [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► never stop escalating it will start with [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► it could be a playful jiving driving [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► rather it could be a you know hey only [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► the from the thing and then it's going [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► to be my piece and then it [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► be a picture and then pretty soon like [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► that person was to move in so last with [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► as with the front of our seats on your [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► hands [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► mmm yeah yes now she's probably had some [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► penises on your pants off my passion get [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► your penis off my pants I know where [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► she's a lot of moves fast she's not [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► nobody's nobody's getting close to her [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► that way [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► yeah but that's what does not a skill [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► and we have we have we have a mutual [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► friend who would be embarrassed if we [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► said this about him but he's awfully [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► good at that we have a mutual friend who [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► is awfully good at being exactly as [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► gracious as he wants to be and then [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► making it very clear that we're done now [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► and I i we have several other mutual [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► friends who envied that ability but it [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► is because you don't you know I guess [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► especially if you have a certain kind of [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► test term public image that you can get [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► away with that more you know what i mean [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► but you know it uh I i had a very bad [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► very first strange lunch the other day [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► with a friend who uh we were talking at [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► we're talking about ourselves and and [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► how difficult it is to be happy [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► sometimes this friend is a mutual [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► friend's friend I had lunch with a [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► mutual friend of yours and mine who owns [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► a local record label [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► uh-huh and he said you know my dad was a [TS]

00:57:39 ◼   ► jerk a my whole life because he believed [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► that he was destined for bigger things [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► then the things that he had in front of [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► him and he was he was mad about it he [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► was a jerk to everybody and I just had a [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► conversation with him very recently [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► where he said that he realized that he [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► was not failing to live up to his [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► potential his whole life but in fact it [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► was just that his potential was not as [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► great as he thought all that in fact I [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► that's a double double ouch [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► in fact he had been living up to his [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► potential the entire Tosh and that what [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► he should have been doing was just [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► realizing that being happy [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► and so he was miserable because he was [TS]

00:58:30 ◼   ► kicking himself his whole life not [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► achieving as much as he danced to that [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► is it that is a german film [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► holy shit that hurts and instead yeah [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► instead he should have been happy his [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► whole life because he was actually he [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► was actually doing he was actually [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► working to to his capacity the whole [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► time and and sitting across the table [TS]

00:58:54 ◼   ► from this guy was like I don't know what [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► I don't know which part of this hurts me [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► more [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► I don't know which part i don't know [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► which side of your little lesson that [TS]

00:59:03 ◼   ► you're trying to impart to me is is [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► grosser is harder for me to swallow like [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► either i am either I'm actually living [TS]

00:59:13 ◼   ► up to my potential right now and I'm [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► miserable for no reason I don't know if [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► you just feel sorry it's fucking weird [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► shit which is fucking steps sucks [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► yeah are you kidding me and and and the [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► lesson is that I just need to be content [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► and happy with what I what I what I am [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► doing now and not aspire and not be on [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► top of myself all the time trying to [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► charge forward and and be bare and that [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► causes me you know great despair or the [TS]

00:59:42 ◼   ► alternative is that i do that my whole [TS]

00:59:44 ◼   ► life and him miserable and then when i'm [TS]

00:59:47 ◼   ► old i look back and go how that was that [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► was all for my hand and just when we're [TS]

00:59:52 ◼   ► done recording please not live i would [TS]

00:59:53 ◼   ► love to hear which one of those messages [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► you think he was sending to you because [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► that could really say a lot about the [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► next five years of your life [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► next five years of your life [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► actually grabbed him by the shirt was [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► like you honestly think I'm living up to [TS]

01:00:03 ◼   ► my potential tell me he was like no no [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► not at all i was like thank you [TS]

01:00:08 ◼   ► what's in the box what's in the bag was [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► never right I'm not living up to my [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► potential [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► fucking-a once you start telling me that [TS]

01:00:16 ◼   ► I'm living up to my potential what a [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► what a terrible thing to say to sauna is [TS]

01:00:19 ◼   ► awful it's like you don't sweat much for [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► a fat girl but which way to go I now I [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► know which way to go i don't know i [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► gotta be able to do you think about this [TS]

01:00:29 ◼   ► the boy just examples from what we just [TS]

01:00:30 ◼   ► just talked about you remember the [TS]

01:00:32 ◼   ► anecdote Steve Martin talking about his [TS]

01:00:34 ◼   ► dad and his dad like I think was pretty [TS]

01:00:37 ◼   ► much like just about on his deathbed [TS]

01:00:38 ◼   ► before you ever said anything really [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► nice about his work he's been on all [TS]

01:00:42 ◼   ► these you know he was a huge success i'm [TS]

01:00:44 ◼   ► using ridiculously huge success story [TS]

01:00:46 ◼   ► was able to walk him i was able to walk [TS]

01:00:48 ◼   ► away from his career-making career just [TS]

01:00:50 ◼   ► go do something else and what could be [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► more attractive into play stadiums and [TS]

01:00:55 ◼   ► maybe the only comedian to really play [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► stadium shows like 40,000 people right [TS]

01:01:00 ◼   ► would come to watch steve martin put up [TS]

01:01:02 ◼   ► at where that arrow through the head [TS]

01:01:03 ◼   ► thing and and well and what's and what's [TS]

01:01:06 ◼   ► weird for people like you and me like [TS]

01:01:07 ◼   ► you remember when you're younger and [TS]

01:01:08 ◼   ► everything feels like it's you know [TS]

01:01:10 ◼   ► takes longer every school year feels [TS]

01:01:11 ◼   ► like it takes forever his first album [TS]

01:01:13 ◼   ► came out i think in 1975 the same year [TS]

01:01:15 ◼   ► he first appeared on Saturday Night Live [TS]

01:01:17 ◼   ► which was the career maker for him I [TS]

01:01:19 ◼   ► think his last record was like making e2 [TS]

01:01:21 ◼   ► maybe I mean he did all of that like era [TS]

01:01:24 ◼   ► through the head guy stuff and then just [TS]

01:01:27 ◼   ► walked away and said that's it you know [TS]

01:01:28 ◼   ► i'm done here like the jerk is really [TS]

01:01:30 ◼   ► much closer to Steve Martin stand up [TS]

01:01:32 ◼   ► then say you know Steve Martin like [TS]

01:01:33 ◼   ► Roxanne or something but it was really [TS]

01:01:36 ◼   ► he was like what's my magazine at the [TS]

01:01:38 ◼   ► time he was at the time what's my [TS]

01:01:40 ◼   ► magazine would later call a celebrity [TS]

01:01:42 ◼   ► refusenik right where he stopped stand [TS]

01:01:44 ◼   ► up in nineteen wait for ya 81 oh come on [TS]

01:01:48 ◼   ► 1981 and I got 44 I've actually written [TS]

01:01:52 ◼   ► on three cards so we should come back to [TS]

01:01:53 ◼   ► that but but his father [TS]

01:01:55 ◼   ► okay so you got that you notice you got [TS]

01:01:57 ◼   ► here you got that was named Jackson not [TS]

01:01:59 ◼   ► the one guy the other guy that father [TS]

01:02:00 ◼   ► the Jackson 5 totally right right [TS]

01:02:02 ◼   ► classic marie wilson on you is that guy [TS]

01:02:05 ◼   ► has good night Jackson squads very [TS]

01:02:08 ◼   ► handsome on every time your eyes always [TS]

01:02:10 ◼   ► going to be peering like that [TS]

01:02:11 ◼   ► and Marie Wilson the father of the Brian [TS]

01:02:14 ◼   ► in the and the boys so disapproving [TS]

01:02:16 ◼   ► fathers or Father's that route that that [TS]

01:02:19 ◼   ► don't give up don't give approval [TS]

01:02:21 ◼   ► yes and with the case of Marie Murray's [TS]

01:02:25 ◼   ► always felt you know for the first day [TS]

01:02:27 ◼   ► of class I would take it out make brian [TS]

01:02:28 ◼   ► looking the whole yeah and-and-and so [TS]

01:02:32 ◼   ► what Murray had inserted himself into [TS]

01:02:34 ◼   ► every aspect of their career because he [TS]

01:02:36 ◼   ► was a failed musician he was like he had [TS]

01:02:40 ◼   ► he did not have Brian Brian like when he [TS]

01:02:43 ◼   ► was still lucid well-suited lucid he had [TS]

01:02:46 ◼   ► more talent you know in his pinky then [TS]

01:02:48 ◼   ► his father had his entire life but this [TS]