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177: Six-Pixel Sword

 

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  did it did it did it really didn't did [TS]

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  the inconstant number 177 anywhere we [TS]

  went before a team [TS]

  welcome back to the uncomfortable i'm [TS]

  your host Jason snail and tonight we're [TS]

  gonna do another one of your ridiculous [TS]

  draft in this case we're going to talk [TS]

  about video games and upon reflection we [TS]

  decided to break up the video game [TS]

  drafts and two so we will add a later [TS]

  date do a computer-based videogame graph [TS]

  this is a console-based video game draft [TS]

  so we're gonna be drafting not consoles [TS]

  but the games on the consoles and for me [TS]

  that's going to mean I've got a list [TS]

  really heavy and atari 2600 but that's [TS]

  but I i imagine that some of our other [TS]

  competitors are going to have a much [TS]

  broader selection of games talking about [TS]

  so basically this is an excuse for us to [TS]

  talk about some of the great video games [TS]

  on consoles in history and joining me to [TS]

  talk about it i'm going to start with [TS]

  the guy who will be vying with me for [TS]

  atari 2600 games its greatness hi Greg [TS]

  hello very old person yes welcome oh my [TS]

  day that were paddles and joysticks and [TS]

  you could chose good to have your Greg [TS]

  thank you [TS]

  uh Tony single are also here he's much [TS]

  more well-versed and plays games that [TS]

  were made post 1978 hi Tony [TS]

  hi Jason I myself was made post 1978 eh [TS]

  probably not by people who are playing [TS]

  video games [TS]

  not at the time breakout I'm telling you [TS]

  break out was much it was a mood setter [TS]

  Steve a mood setter Steve let's hear you [TS]

  heard him [TS]

  hi Steve you you've got a long tawdry [TS]

  video game that's don't know what you're [TS]

  talking about [TS]

  I see the fun is back oh yes siree it's [TS]

  the 2600 from Atari very go on but I [TS]

  won't but not not yet i'll have you know [TS]

  if I'm sounding a bit Fleming tonight is [TS]

  because i am actually sick but that's [TS]

  actually perfect because as a kid I used [TS]

  to love being sick because it meant I [TS]

  got to sit home all day and play video [TS]

  games and do nothing else it's perfect [TS]

  so I'm totally in the right frame of [TS]

  mind that your podcast about video games [TS]

  and shirking my duties in the real world [TS]

  yeah brought moisture yo enjoyed as he [TS]

  heard we were doing a video game drafted [TS]

  he couldn't stay away hoist welcome back [TS]

  that [TS]

  three backup failure just blow on the [TS]

  cartridge know myself to save and John [TS]

  siracusa of course we couldn't keep them [TS]

  away we wouldn't do it without a hi John [TS]

  got lots kid has a bright future in the [TS]

  world of televised commercial [TS]

  entertainment [TS]

  I think so that jingle he's saying just [TS]

  really brought it back to make great [TS]

  condition [TS]

  thank you appreciate that web store is [TS]

  his enemy [TS]

  yeah I don't know something like that [TS]

  alright so we have our participants and [TS]

  I i have a draft order that I've [TS]

  randomly selected here comes because [TS]

  we've got Steve Tony john gregg me and [TS]

  moist SS and steve lets you get to have [TS]

  the first selection [TS]

  oh yeah IM the draft so cool a go [TS]

  oh yeah I I pic kool-aid man as my first [TS]

  that was never a game that was a game [TS]

  wasn't it was a 2600 cool game [TS]

  oh heck yeah there was you know of [TS]

  course there's a 2600 game for [TS]

  everything [TS]

  go ahead Steve you can pick that if you [TS]

  want then I will not be picking how [TS]

  making picking can pick up no no I have [TS]

  like a chess move you can't take it back [TS]

  instead and thank goodness i have first [TS]

  draft pick because i have a feeling with [TS]

  two of you old guys on here this might [TS]

  have gone first for either of you so I'm [TS]

  gonna pick it now and get it off the [TS]

  board right away [TS]

  chanting following us for being old and [TS]

  now you're gonna figure named because [TS]

  I'm ordered to go through i'm gonna go [TS]

  with Atari 2600 adventure damage which [TS]

  is of course the timeless tale of a [TS]

  square who must return the letter Y to [TS]

  the yellow castle so that it may once [TS]

  again color cycle the squares really [TS]

  blown away by the giant keys though [TS]

  they're like larger than its body that [TS]

  it has to carry around and like an ant [TS]

  carrying a leaf the enormous bat that's [TS]

  like the size of six squares that's a [TS]

  crazy world he lives in the East slays [TS]

  dragons with his trusty arrow sometimes [TS]

  with the tip sometimes with the shaft [TS]

  depending on which way he's facing the [TS]

  reason adventure is great is because it [TS]

  was one of the first i would say to [TS]

  console games that wasn't either a [TS]

  half-baked arcade port [TS]

  we basically it's just it was the first [TS]

  one or the second one that wasn't a [TS]

  half-baked arcade board pretty much [TS]

  everything up until that point had been [TS]

  and then in 77 i think it was maybe 78 [TS]

  yeah maybe it was 79 it was 79 in 1979 [TS]

  Superman came out and then in nineteen [TS]

  eighty it came adventure both of them [TS]

  excellent games [TS]

  this was a one of the first console [TS]

  games that you could actually win and [TS]

  for somebody had been playing [TS]

  surrounding air sea battle for a couple [TS]

  of years it really kind of opened my [TS]

  eyes as to hey console games could be [TS]

  actually something much more interesting [TS]

  than what i've seen up until now and [TS]

  perhaps most importantly I think it was [TS]

  probably one of the first console games [TS]

  that was actually fun to play by [TS]

  yourself [TS]

  most of those early atari games they [TS]

  were pretty useless unless you actually [TS]

  had somebody to play against and the AI [TS]

  generally was non-existent or horrible [TS]

  but adventure you could actually enjoy [TS]

  even if you just snuck out into the [TS]

  living room at 2am to get in a little [TS]

  extra Teri time it was i think also kind [TS]

  of technically impressive considering [TS]

  that it was it was packed into four [TS]

  kilobytes a surprising number of [TS]

  different castles and mazes packed into [TS]

  that tiny little memory space and while [TS]

  the layout of the rooms never changed [TS]

  that the fact that they would place the [TS]

  objects randomly every game gave the [TS]

  game a replay value that I don't think [TS]

  anything that had before I i haven't [TS]

  played the game in over 20 years but i [TS]

  played it so much as a kid that I could [TS]

  still probably draw you a perfect map [TS]

  and including the layout of all of the [TS]

  labyrinths and the secret maze room with [TS]

  the dot hidden in it [TS]

  which brings me to the fact that [TS]

  adventure actually also featured the [TS]

  first widely known easter egg rated by [TS]

  Warren Robinett created by Warren [TS]

  Robinett although apparently and this [TS]

  made me sad when I heard about in 2004 [TS]

  they found that somebody had already [TS]

  stuck his name into a 1978 channel F [TS]

  game so video which ball actually holds [TS]

  the title [TS]

  yes video with ball but he first easter [TS]

  egg but adventure i think probably has [TS]

  more lasting a more lasting power than [TS]

  video was balling for help [TS]

  I don't think it's fair that somebody [TS]

  who doesn't make a noise when he stands [TS]

  up from a squat gets to choose adventure [TS]

  he's not old enough he's projected about [TS]

  you've got like one year on me and it's [TS]

  but it's a hard year haha true every [TS]

  year for you is a hard year right is not [TS]

  many years of my life [TS]

  oh it's the achievements you pick up [TS]

  along the way [TS]

  yeah I what I loved about adventure [TS]

  which I would have chosen is my first [TS]

  pick was the scope of it most of the [TS]

  games you could get for the Atari 2600 [TS]

  they had like seven hundred game [TS]

  variations but it was fire one shot or [TS]

  two shots have two rows of enemies or [TS]

  three rows of enemies it was all really [TS]

  tiny variations in really simple [TS]

  gameplay but adventure was huge [TS]

  increases huge as you can get in 4k and [TS]

  you could wanted the difficulty level [TS]

  determine how many castles you had to go [TS]

  through and what you had what levels you [TS]

  have to go through and like Steve said [TS]

  the randomization it was an amazing [TS]

  terrific game for the time and it you [TS]

  know the three dragons have different [TS]

  personalities and so depending on which [TS]

  one was coming at you you'd have to [TS]

  treat them differently and the yellow [TS]

  dragon would actually run from the [TS]

  yellow key which is yes pray with the [TS]

  yellow dragon was slow and stupid and [TS]

  the red one was terrifying that was the [TS]

  first time I ever screamed at something [TS]

  happening in a video game [TS]

  I think the best thing about the Dragons [TS]

  by far is the genius of having a player [TS]

  shape hole inside of there are certain [TS]

  when were down by there you could see [TS]

  yourself struggling feebly in there [TS]

  while you work with the joystick [TS]

  side-to-side that's a great one [TS]

  I snapped my first game man that's a [TS]

  good one that's a that's very good one [TS]

  sorry that's just how it goes Greg [TS]

  thanks for early order [TS]

  oh lucky i can go to bed now yeah [TS]

  mission accomplished [TS]

  I've done my part so we will move on our [TS]

  second pick is going to be Tony [TS]

  oh man oh man that's surprised I am I'm [TS]

  totally ready to pass no no I'm good um [TS]

  i will choose something not from this [TS]

  century [TS]

  just because it seems like not a lot of [TS]

  competition for those i will draft Super [TS]

  Mario Brothers 3 the third entry in the [TS]

  Super Mario series for the nintendo [TS]

  entertainment system in 1990 I had a [TS]

  nintendo entertainment system as a child [TS]

  that had all the Super Mario Brothers [TS]

  games but the the third one was kind of [TS]

  a breakthrough in terms of you know use [TS]

  your standard mario game you jump on [TS]

  google+ you pick up things but I had all [TS]

  these complicated power-ups and it had a [TS]

  map with levels that could be [TS]

  experiencing kind of nonlinear fashion [TS]

  and weird power-ups in fact there was [TS]

  the ability if you got if you can change [TS]

  the right power-ups it was possible to [TS]

  get to like the final level in like 30 [TS]

  minutes if you got all the right [TS]

  whistles um I think it was also [TS]

  noteworthy in that i was introduced to [TS]

  Super Mario Brothers 3 of via the wizard [TS]

  which is a advertisement disguise to [TS]

  feature length movie starring Fred [TS]

  Savage [TS]

  I love the power glove it's so bad that [TS]

  advertisement made 14 million dollars [TS]

  and co-star jenny lewis from rilo kiley [TS]

  so and ended Fred Savage his career he [TS]

  went to the wonder years after that he's [TS]

  a successful director now [TS]

  yeah he's now one of the most successful [TS]

  TV directors in the business that's all [TS]

  thanks Super Mario Brothers 30 sorry for [TS]

  a minute there I slipped into a parallel [TS]

  universe where there was justice the the [TS]

  guy who the guy who played his little [TS]

  brother gimme-gimme-gimme jimmy woods he [TS]

  i think was in jeepers creepers two and [TS]

  a couple other things I actually met did [TS]

  you say Jimmy would love a character [TS]

  actor Jimmy went away worry buddy no no [TS]

  that was the character named it was the [TS]

  character I've seen the Wizard way too [TS]

  many times I actually met Fred Savage [TS]

  the guy who played his younger brother [TS]

  and the director of the movie at a [TS]

  screening the guy who now works for [TS]

  roosterteeth here in Austin through a [TS]

  few years ago and they were baffled that [TS]

  there was a room full of 200 people that [TS]

  were rabid to see this movie and I think [TS]

  super mario brothers also that's but the [TS]

  third one that was when in addition to [TS]

  the wizard they had all kinds of other [TS]

  ridiculous media tie-ins [TS]

  they had an animated TV show it's also [TS]

  been remade several times which leads to [TS]

  some very funny names for example super [TS]

  mario advance for colon Super Mario [TS]

  Brothers 3 the test which i think you [TS]

  know that's a great phenomenon mainly [TS]

  unique to video games or really bad [TS]

  movies when you can have two different [TS]

  integers in the in the title so Tony [TS]

  what makes this super mario brothers [TS]

  exceptional i would say that the variety [TS]

  to it you know super mario brothers one [TS]

  is was definitely a classic and it's [TS]

  probably one of the most successful [TS]

  games of all time and get one of the [TS]

  top-selling in part because it was [TS]

  packaged with the console super mario [TS]

  bros to really kind of expanded on that [TS]

  with all these power-ups and kind of [TS]

  different ways you can explore the world [TS]

  different different suits that you could [TS]

  wear which are kind of weird including a [TS]

  tanooki suit which I was a small child [TS]

  not familiar with no keys which are kind [TS]

  of a Japanese raccoon dog that in the [TS]

  Super Mario Brothers world can turn to [TS]

  stone and it also had this interesting i [TS]

  get there were different bosses along [TS]

  the way you have to fight each of King [TS]

  Koopas weird strange children as opposed [TS]

  to just fighting Cooper browser you know [TS]

  every supernova really want you just [TS]

  fight him over and over again he gets me [TS]

  to reach time but he throws access and [TS]

  stuff but a lot more variety to this one [TS]

  it is very different than on Super Mario [TS]

  Brothers 2 which is noteworthy in terms [TS]

  of mentioning because super mario [TS]

  brothers to was not actually a Mario [TS]

  Brothers game it's another game called [TS]

  doki doki panick that they basically [TS]

  change the sprites to be Mario sprite so [TS]

  that they could crank out Mario Brothers [TS]

  game really quickly because they were [TS]

  afraid that mario 2 would be too hard [TS]

  for American yes there's a secret hard [TS]

  Mario Brothers to which I think has been [TS]

  since released as like the lost levels [TS]

  seem to another article that's right and [TS]

  has like and it has power-ups that kill [TS]

  you and and is is very I think it has [TS]

  levels with wind if i'm remembering yeah [TS]

  it'sit's it was too hard for us but [TS]

  awesome [TS]

  yeah so that's what that's what I'm [TS]

  going with [TS]

  that's also chronologically one of the [TS]

  earlier games in my list [TS]

  alright alright let's go stephen gregg [TS]

  and safe then yes they from you that's [TS]

  good now judges with Super Mario [TS]

  Brothers 3 off the table [TS]

  does that also remove super mario [TS]

  brothers [TS]

  one and two I think we talking about [TS]

  course it does no idea it isn't this [TS]

  what I'm going to say that entity you [TS]

  might you need to you know you need to [TS]

  speak about why although that game a [TS]

  version of this game has already been [TS]

  picked you were going to pick a [TS]

  different version i think i would never [TS]

  just know it [TS]

  it's not a virginal same game when they [TS]

  spend like two decades these are not the [TS]

  same game they have the same narrow [TS]

  somewhere in the time i would like to [TS]

  draft all Zelda's all of ya i'm not [TS]

  talking about you know taking super [TS]

  mario world or or super mario 64 off the [TS]

  table and talking about the ones that [TS]

  are in the Super Mario Brothers see I [TS]

  think you're fair game [TS]

  I think you can take one tonight and I [TS]

  want you to differentiate them as all i [TS]

  would say yes i will tell you that my [TS]

  head on my list back up thinking Super [TS]

  Mario Brothers 3 was already taken [TS]

  super mario world would be my next [TS]

  favorite Super Mario game for this desk [TS]

  boilers yeah really now I'm not gonna [TS]

  draft that i'm good i got a mario on my [TS]

  list [TS]

  I'm good you got to go tomorrow okay [TS]

  we're moving on to Moises s what do you [TS]

  have for us so I i I'm gonna go with the [TS]

  theme and I don't think you guys are [TS]

  gonna be able to pick up on it very [TS]

  quickly because i think will be the [TS]

  judge of that right i think the first [TS]

  one will throw you all the way off [TS]

  unless you happen to be a bad enough do [TS]

  to save the president [TS]

  yeah now the full title of this game was [TS]

  originally bad dude vs. dragon ninja [TS]

  which is actually even better than the [TS]

  great title that is bad dudes where [TS]

  these guys wearing tank tops and jeans [TS]

  have to go beat up a bunch of gang [TS]

  characters and save the president from a [TS]

  bunch of gangs it started out as an [TS]

  arcade game but I came to know it on the [TS]

  NES where it was the most violent video [TS]

  game i had seen in my life that they say [TS]

  they're bad dude they're bad news i mean [TS]

  if you got to be a bad due to do [TS]

  something heroic [TS]

  it was honestly I i think i think we can [TS]

  all agree [TS]

  speaking for the entire panel that this [TS]

  was the birth of the anti-hero okay [TS]

  maybe I can't speak for the whole panel [TS]

  I it is it's difficult to go further [TS]

  into depth about this beat em up game [TS]

  which is your generic kind of [TS]

  side-scrolling I'm going to punch things [TS]

  until it falls down [TS]

  and blinks out of existence well on the [TS]

  dragon enjoy say what a dragon did he is [TS]

  well in Japan it was at the according to [TS]

  wikipedia and who knows how accurate [TS]

  wikipedias i looked up earlier in Japan [TS]

  it's known just as dragon ninja they [TS]

  don't know it is bad dudes they just [TS]

  know its dragon I think bad dudes is [TS]

  really an American concept [TS]

  yeah are you dragon enough to ninja I [TS]

  don't doesn't make sense to me [TS]

  you can't have bad dudes without [TS]

  sleeveless t-shirts [TS]

  I've never even heard of this game you [TS]

  in every god I missed I missed the nes i [TS]

  totally missed the nes completely [TS]

  utterly missed it but if you went into a [TS]

  movie theater with it had three video [TS]

  games in the front of the union lobby [TS]

  one of them was bad dudes in okay look [TS]

  he wasn't a bad enough dude to know I [TS]

  was not a bad deal wasn't and I wanted [TS]

  to present to die i guess they have a [TS]

  milquetoast dude version [TS]

  no but there is a spiritual sequel [TS]

  called to crew dudes in Japan it was [TS]

  called crude Buster because they like [TS]

  throwing the word Buster LC yeah I know [TS]

  I know it sounds like a leisure suit [TS]

  larry sequel but but this this was one [TS]

  of the many data east side scrolling [TS]

  beat-'em-up games that were effectively [TS]

  the exact same game engine with [TS]

  different sprites of her things [TS]

  I'm pretty well convinced they they did [TS]

  most of the code once and just [TS]

  substituted in different character [TS]

  graphics for what you beat up until it [TS]

  blinked off into you know we're dead [TS]

  bodies go [TS]

  that isn't you know actually being a [TS]

  dead body on the ground they fade away [TS]

  fade away they fade away [TS]

  Wow there was a whole nother generation [TS]

  of games like that where they seem to [TS]

  just swap out the sprites like the [TS]

  Simpsons and teenage mutant ninja [TS]

  turtles and they all seem to be exactly [TS]

  the same hardware exactly the same [TS]

  they're all great with the same game [TS]

  that divorce is dragon ninja vs dragon [TS]

  ninja about possibly first dragon what [TS]

  we need to be mentioning the Japanese [TS]

  titles of all our pics if you want its [TS]

  optional i only mention that because it [TS]

  was the [TS]

  the most bizarre alternate full title [TS]

  I've ever seen [TS]

  alright Greg sauce you get to go next I [TS]

  choose adventure for the Atari 2600 in [TS]

  Japan was known as crazy square hate bat [TS]

  are you sure that it wasn't known as it [TS]

  hip to be square bad now I want to stab [TS]

  you with the half of my sword that [TS]

  square versus dragon my six pixel sword [TS]

  I've heard that about you go go ahead [TS]

  Greg okay well I'm going to pick an [TS]

  obscure title that's old utopia for the [TS]

  intellivision I don't know if anybody's [TS]

  ever heard of it much less played it but [TS]

  it was a terrific and one of the two [TS]

  player game one of the first sim games [TS]

  the game starts out there are two [TS]

  islands that represent the world there [TS]

  are two continents i guess and then each [TS]

  player takes a turn building industry or [TS]

  farmland or fishing surviving weather [TS]

  disasters eventually building the [TS]

  military to be able to attack your [TS]

  opponent and once you've conquered your [TS]

  opponent's island you in and it's the [TS]

  end of the game [TS]

  wow it was terrific what kind of utopia [TS]

  could possibly exist on television [TS]

  series yeah about a mess and in a utopia [TS]

  where everybody has flat films and [TS]

  television controller just makes me feel [TS]

  uncomfortable looking there's really [TS]

  there's nothing I think that captures [TS]

  the seventies more than television [TS]

  hardware I the 2600 was pretty good with [TS]

  the wood paneling the intellivision had [TS]

  i think in the intelligent also anything [TS]

  controller looks like a like a phone [TS]

  yes that stretchy phone cable and a [TS]

  weird basically had the little strategy [TS]

  cable that that went about 2 feet so you [TS]

  both had the huddle around the unit on [TS]

  the floor and then you would not be [TS]

  pushing the direction disk so hard that [TS]

  you would pull your thumb off of it and [TS]

  you have a bit the tip would be flat and [TS]

  after a couple of years of really [TS]

  abusing it the little buttons on the [TS]

  keypad wouldn't work in me they were [TS]

  just bubble contact it is impressive [TS]

  that it took almost like 15 years of [TS]

  console hardware before they're like hey [TS]

  let's make controllers that are [TS]

  rectangles you know that won't like [TS]

  carve little pivot points in two people [TS]

  having paid good money to see a video of [TS]

  George Plimpton actually trying to use [TS]

  the intellivision [TS]

  controllers and I think it would have [TS]

  ended in swears at the very least are [TS]

  you dates when that's all most people [TS]

  remember about the intelligent platform [TS]

  is George Plimpton's ads that's all [TS]

  certainly all I remember about it they [TS]

  were to the sports games and sports [TS]

  games were all terrific there especially [TS]

  compared to the 2600 yeah you know that [TS]

  the first version of 2,600 baseball and [TS]

  I don't know if we got released her it [TS]

  was just caught in testing but three [TS]

  strikes and you'd walk because [TS]

  apparently the implementer doesn't [TS]

  understand that baseball worked [TS]

  wow that's a heck of a game yeah but the [TS]

  intellivision both baseball and football [TS]

  and soccer which I was less interested [TS]

  in hockey oh my god the hockey was great [TS]

  you could stick people and so they would [TS]

  flip over and slide across the ice on [TS]

  their butts and one set of three times [TS]

  you get called for a penalty but utopia [TS]

  really kind of set the stage for all the [TS]

  sim games and a lot of the God games and [TS]

  it was something that was slower paced [TS]

  and turn-based but it wasn't just [TS]

  another like Steve said arcade clone or [TS]

  something where you would play for a [TS]

  couple of minutes die and have it be [TS]

  over there was actual strategy involved [TS]

  i did try to avoid putting our clade [TS]

  clones or games that were available for [TS]

  the pc on my list with some stuck in the [TS]

  past it's inevitable [TS]

  okay i think it's also where you where [TS]

  you played it and I've got a I've got a [TS]

  very popular arcade game on my list [TS]

  that's that I just I played on the 2600 [TS]

  so much that it's on my list for that [TS]

  all right time to stop things for just a [TS]

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  the uncomfortable [TS]

  John siracusa it's your turn if I was a [TS]

  little bit unfair as i talked about all [TS]

  my favorite video games on nitrous [TS]

  journey and that's right and it's also [TS]

  kind of unfair because I as I think I [TS]

  mentioned before I wasn't allowed to [TS]

  have a game console when I was a kid so [TS]

  the only place i had access to any game [TS]

  consoles like the ones of the old people [TS]

  are talking about that my friends houses [TS]

  it so grateful the old temple thank you [TS]

  very much yeah so so my list actually [TS]

  excuse-excuse a bit young here because [TS]

  my be my first real console was like the [TS]

  time i was in college and I couldn't [TS]

  have one in the house but thankfully i'm [TS]

  gonna show with a bunch of old fogies [TS]

  and people who had consult before me and [TS]

  so even though I'm late in the order i [TS]

  get to pick what is quite possibly the [TS]

  best video game of all time [TS]

  everybody who is a right-thinking gamer [TS]

  police say with me the legend of zelda [TS]

  ocarina [TS]

  I'm yeah I oh yeah that tell me more [TS]

  about your square [TS]

  I'm it is is this is this month is the [TS]

  elder abuse portion of the show almost [TS]

  over cuz no I'm just a gas that he [TS]

  didn't pick the wand of gamilon what ya [TS]

  call because you're just making up words [TS]

  now no no it's a real time via the most [TS]

  important video game history no not [TS]

  really but it's definitely the most [TS]

  important game in the Zelda series at [TS]

  least the modern Zelda series because it [TS]

  put down the blueprint for all the zelda [TS]

  games that would follow it and start [TS]

  snarky comment here now and I i think it [TS]

  was a strong blueprint and it was only [TS]

  just repeated ocarina of time over and [TS]

  over again but I it was a strong enough [TS]

  blueprint for the game that it held up [TS]

  it for ten subsequent years and [TS]

  basically remaking the same game with [TS]

  the details changed I without it feeling [TS]

  old know some people did get tired of it [TS]

  but I definitely didn't but this was the [TS]

  first one is kind of like Blade Runner [TS]

  in that respect where you look back on [TS]

  your like oh what's the big deal every [TS]

  game is like that now but every game [TS]

  wasn't like that when this game came out [TS]

  so what made us look good well it was [TS]

  the first 3d Zelda but it was not the [TS]

  first big 3d game and I think that [TS]

  really helped because if it would have [TS]

  been too much to bite off at once if you [TS]

  said ok we're going to make the first [TS]

  great 3d game and we're going to make [TS]

  that zelda is just too much stuff there [TS]

  that so this game years after the 3d [TS]

  revolution so we had time to sort out [TS]

  how 3d works even your time to figure [TS]

  out okay we've got three stuff handle [TS]

  how do we do all this stuff that you [TS]

  need in the zelda games is a big degree [TS]

  of difficulty you've got this big world [TS]

  you got relatively complex controls you [TS]

  have inventory of NPCs you have the [TS]

  music puzzles combat and all the [TS]

  atmosphere a lot of stuff like it's a [TS]

  lot to take in all at once so this game [TS]

  had to come years after the switch from [TS]

  2d to 3d not right when it started all [TS]

  those things amazingly well and one of [TS]

  things that highlight in particular the [TS]

  soundtrack which we were still stuck in [TS]

  the middie era back on the the world a [TS]

  nintendo because they hadn't gone to [TS]

  optical media so you couldn't just [TS]

  stream in orchestral score of the esco [TS]

  had to be MIDI and it's kind of like a [TS]

  transition between the chiptunes of the [TS]

  8-bit NES and are the armada music [TS]

  sounds like music but i think the [TS]

  soundtrack holds up amazingly well [TS]

  especially if you consider that the head [TS]

  music almost during the entire movie [TS]

  like you re running around these levels [TS]

  and every level had sort of an ambient [TS]

  background music and that can go so [TS]

  wrong when there's a game with [TS]

  background music and you're staying [TS]

  you're running around this level of like [TS]

  three hours and start the great on you [TS]

  and drive you nuts and the opposite [TS]

  happened for me and I think most people [TS]

  are not creative time you became you [TS]

  sort of got attached to that background [TS]

  music going to give you sort of a sense [TS]

  of place and now when you hear that [TS]

  music you pick yourself back in that [TS]

  place you don't picture on my god that [TS]

  incessant music needs to stop which i [TS]

  think is quite an achievement especially [TS]

  considering that it was midi in [TS]

  retrospect I think the technical limits [TS]

  are a little bit uh tough to swallow [TS]

  these days especially the 2d towns where [TS]

  they didn't have enough memory on the [TS]

  cartridge do fully 3d rendered town so [TS]

  they just did like a studio backdrop [TS]

  that you ran around in but I'm willing [TS]

  to forgive that because you know [TS]

  cartridges for characters and what could [TS]

  you do [TS]

  I so yeah so I I think despite the fact [TS]

  that anyone who goes back and plays now [TS]

  both probably find it sort of tiresome [TS]

  and it'll seem like it's all been done [TS]

  before this was the first one and it did [TS]

  so many things so well that it really [TS]

  just trounced all games that came before [TS]

  including all the original Zelda's I [TS]

  think wow that Steve do you want to go [TS]

  me again how and explain why you debate [TS]

  this you know i'm not sure this draft is [TS]

  really about bashing others pic I isn't [TS]

  isn't okay no no I i personally have [TS]

  never finished a 3d Zelda game and that [TS]

  might invalidate my opinion here but i [TS]

  would say well did you play this when it [TS]

  came out I did yeah i think i still have [TS]

  the cartridge upstairs in fact i was [TS]

  going to bust it out and finally finish [TS]

  it over the next month or so just to say [TS]

  that I have but for me the gameplay just [TS]

  got so repetitive after maybe I don't I [TS]

  got through the water temple and didn't [TS]

  wasn't too horrified by the difficulty [TS]

  of that but by the time i was through [TS]

  that I was basically I think I've kind [TS]

  of seen what this campus to offer at [TS]

  this point the story isn't enough to [TS]

  really drive me forward and and I just [TS]

  decided I was going to move on to [TS]

  something else and every time I've [TS]

  picked up a zelda game sense at least a [TS]

  3d 1 i've had the same experience i get [TS]

  maybe I don't know 15 hours into it and [TS]

  I go am well I think there are things [TS]

  I'd rather be doing and then I'm [TS]

  one not saying that makes it a bad game [TS]

  but it's it doesn't it doesn't appeal to [TS]

  me in the same way that it does to [TS]

  apparently every single other person in [TS]

  the world [TS]

  well the people who haven't lost their [TS]

  childlike sense of wonder huh haha those [TS]

  who still have souls [TS]

  yeah fair enough John I really [TS]

  appreciate what you said about about the [TS]

  music thing I I although I have to say I [TS]

  believe I can still recall the entire [TS]

  soundtrack of it maybe even be super [TS]

  mario brothers three that my my [TS]

  brother-in-law who is about 14 years [TS]

  younger than me was playing when he was [TS]

  a kid on the NES I i can hear those so i [TS]

  will hurt hear those songs on my [TS]

  deathbed and not in a happy way but [TS]

  that's my twelve-year-old son is in the [TS]

  school orchestra and they play the mario [TS]

  theme as part of their repertoire and so [TS]

  he wanders around the house hunting [TS]

  without having any idea where it comes [TS]

  from you [TS]

  doo-doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

  doo-doo-doo-doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

  did it dt doo-doo-doo-doo-doo [TS]

  doo-doo-doo-doo-doo when you're doing [TS]

  something on the side box in the [TS]

  background with oh don't but you had to [TS]

  jump at that point is everybody you [TS]

  always had to jump when it went to do [TS]

  244 yeah yeah yeah [TS]

  oh my god it's a shared experience it's [TS]

  super catching it is all right i'm gonna [TS]

  make my pic I'm never surprised people [TS]

  by taking a taking a game from the year [TS]

  i think it was from the year 2000 [TS]

  certainly it's got 2,000 in the name and [TS]

  what is what is discussion of video [TS]

  games without talking about sports games [TS]

  and so I'm gonna pick my absolute [TS]

  favorite console sports game of all time [TS]

  it's NFL blitz 2000 which is the see [TS]

  what happened it's a solid pick with [TS]

  wanting to ask you for that with sports [TS]

  games what happened is they started [TS]

  being much more about here going to get [TS]

  into the realism it's gonna be like [TS]

  you're watching on TV [TS]

  and you're gonna be able to choose [TS]

  complicated plays and you know with [TS]

  madden NFL I could just watch TV at that [TS]

  point why don't I just watch TV of a [TS]

  real game instead of a made-up game they [TS]

  have draft you go through a draft you [TS]

  playing the miners you go through a [TS]

  draft you do team interviews like my [TS]

  elder son plays that stuff downstairs [TS]

  and he tells me stories about what's [TS]

  happening in his video game yeah i think [TS]

  they can medicate that medicated with a [TS]

  two by so let me explain NFL blitz so [TS]

  NFL blitz is a reaction to that was [TS]

  based on a lie i believe it was first in [TS]

  arcades i'm not sure but i discovered on [TS]

  PlayStation their original playstation [TS]

  and i love this game and what the reason [TS]

  i love this game is that it is a [TS]

  simplified football game I played at re [TS]

  football on the 2600 and loved it and [TS]

  that was a terrible game but I could [TS]

  score like 80,000 touchdowns and never [TS]

  give up a point NFL blitz so because [TS]

  there were three different yeah there [TS]

  are 33 guys so um it NFL blitz 2001 the [TS]

  other NFL blitz is very simple you know [TS]

  II the all the fun of playing Arcade [TS]

  football without this ridiculous super [TS]

  simulation it's going to be exactly like [TS]

  the the the actual game that you see on [TS]

  TV and yes you could also do things like [TS]

  it guys really hard after the play was [TS]

  over and knocked him unconscious and [TS]

  that's actually how they lost their [TS]

  license from the NFL after a while and I [TS]

  believe they've now gotten had gotten it [TS]

  back and there's a new version that's a [TS]

  little more sanitized but the fun of it [TS]

  was that it had a limited play grid you [TS]

  could pick your place you could flip [TS]

  mirror flip left or right of the place [TS]

  that you wanted it was fast paced the [TS]

  scores would be ridiculous they be you [TS]

  know 85 280 you know or you could set it [TS]

  like it's a two-minute quarter I mean it [TS]

  was arcade football huge fun did not rip [TS]

  did not resemble a wonderful perfect [TS]

  simulation of football in anyway didn't [TS]

  matter it was huge amounts of fun and [TS]

  then when they have a license they use [TS]

  the real NFL players and they had an [TS]

  obnoxious announcer and also some really [TS]

  nice things like [TS]

  when you have a touchdown you could just [TS]

  take the extra point and you didn't have [TS]

  to actually kick it [TS]

  it was like you look you can take the [TS]

  extra point for you if you want to go [TS]

  for two then you can run another play [TS]

  anyway so it is my favorite game because [TS]

  it goes against convention [TS]

  it was huge fun to play and and you know [TS]

  what I don't find i bought i don't know [TS]

  eight different Madden's over the years [TS]

  and you know I and other sports games [TS]

  they're kind of boring [TS]

  I i get excited about them briefly and [TS]

  then in the end I'm just like it's [TS]

  really complicated and for me to get [TS]

  super into it is going to take you know [TS]

  it just it doesn't appeal to me in the [TS]

  same way that a game like this that's [TS]

  simple and fun and you can just dive in [TS]

  and play it really fast and I don't care [TS]

  that doesn't reflect reality because who [TS]

  needs that it's better the problem with [TS]

  the madden games is there's so much [TS]

  reality and so much play-calling and so [TS]

  much of it is based just on the status [TS]

  of the various players that you barely [TS]

  feel like you're playing the damn game [TS]

  yeah yeah especially when your kid kicks [TS]

  your ass haha at least they don't have [TS]

  you like injecting the steroids into [TS]

  your players because its freedom three [TS]

  games if NFL blitz had continued with [TS]

  the NFL twice they would have probably [TS]

  had the steroid bonus which is having me [TS]

  for I lost their license and then they [TS]

  actually did a couple unlicensed [TS]

  versions that that went extreme in that [TS]

  direction and you know the appeal of [TS]

  knocking a guy over after the play was [TS]

  over was never the real reason you you [TS]

  know i like that game i liked it because [TS]

  of the simplification of it so when you [TS]

  say arcade football you mean playing [TS]

  arcade for you mean slapping a trackball [TS]

  a little X's and O's that's black and [TS]

  white X is no it's bringing in the [TS]

  youngsters to that's what that's one [TS]

  thing that I meant sure sure absolutely [TS]

  uh okay that's that's the that's around [TS]

  one in the books [TS]

  that's a solid pick Jason good job [TS]

  excellent work thank you might have [TS]

  quite like NFL blitz and also NHL hitz [TS]

  if you haven't had a chance is fairly [TS]

  magnificent three-on-three hockey plus a [TS]

  goalie and I think probably the best [TS]

  thing for me about those games is the [TS]

  code that you can enter as your starting [TS]

  oh yeah pick amongst the three different [TS]

  symbols and depending on what you've [TS]

  gathered as well as you've been playing [TS]

  the game you can unlock like big head [TS]

  mode where [TS]

  guys are skating around with these [TS]

  enormous head yeah you can you can have [TS]

  mascots playing the games instead of [TS]

  players we have also hilarious [TS]

  yep great fun it's just it's the the [TS]

  sport distilled down to what's actually [TS]

  fun about the sport [TS]

  what's the point of that it's the it's [TS]

  the reason that i am i'm sad that i sold [TS]

  my playstation one back in the day [TS]

  because that that was that would be [TS]

  worth keeping it just for that because [TS]

  that is a great that was a great game [TS]

  but like i said i think in doing the [TS]

  research for this I think it's actually [TS]

  back and available as a download on xbox [TS]

  and playstation so i may go get back i [TS]

  think there's a recent release of NFL [TS]

  yeah this they got the license back [TS]

  yeah after taking out the post play hits [TS]

  but that never happened mr. sanitizing [TS]

  it to reflect reality more accurately i [TS]

  in in in its heyday on the PlayStation i [TS]

  was working in a phone call and which is [TS]

  one of the various stores that used to [TS]

  exist before gamestop swallow them all [TS]

  and i remember at a certain point [TS]

  everybody had moved on from the original [TS]

  NFL blitz to 2,000 the extent that we [TS]

  were selling used copies of the original [TS]

  and helpless for the PlayStation for [TS]

  like fifteen cents [TS]

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  ok let's go back to the top steve lets [TS]

  you create another atari 2600 game if [TS]

  you like Greg may Greg may kill you [TS]

  that was it for my atari 2600 that well [TS]

  I do have more on my list if we end up [TS]

  doing a lot of games which right now it [TS]

  looks like we probably won't have any [TS]

  idea how long we're gonna go around i'm [TS]

  still thinking three rounds three rounds [TS]

  oky better distill this thing down chest [TS]

  hair then I ok in that case i'm gonna [TS]

  skip what was my number two pick and [TS]

  jump right to the game that I probably [TS]

  put more time into than any other game [TS]

  and that is rockband I've always been a [TS]

  huge fan of music both listening to and [TS]

  making though when karaoke revolution [TS]

  and later guitar hero came out they both [TS]

  hit my sweet spot and I just I played [TS]

  him to death then when rock band came [TS]

  out and it had both of those elements [TS]

  and drums the asset purchase price was [TS]

  just a no-brainer and went on guitar [TS]

  hero was what got me to buy a [TS]

  playstation 2 same for me [TS]

  wait very late in the place very late in [TS]

  the playstation 2 the same for me I [TS]

  picked up a ps2 slim specifically so i [TS]

  could get guitar hero and I think what [TS]

  makes the game so special for me and and [TS]

  this goes back to guitar hero as well uh [TS]

  is I think the learning curve at least [TS]

  44 one person play mean you start out [TS]

  even if you play guitar for 4 20 years [TS]

  you start out with a little plastic [TS]

  thing feeling just unbelievably awkward [TS]

  and barely able to get through the [TS]

  easiest songs on easy mode and then as [TS]

  you play you become more and more [TS]

  comfortable and you find yourself [TS]

  graduating the harder modes and songs [TS]

  sort of sort of naturally and that's [TS]

  that's a great feeling i just i love [TS]

  that as I play I'm getting better at [TS]

  something tangible other than twiddling [TS]

  my thumbs [TS]

  so it's it's really fun as a solo game [TS]

  and it feels like you're sort of [TS]

  achieving something and and not so much [TS]

  with the guitar but with the drums you [TS]

  could actually learn how to play the [TS]

  drums play on this thing so it's a it's [TS]

  really fun as a solo game but then it's [TS]

  just downright incredible when you put [TS]

  together a band and it's I think it's [TS]

  the thing that's amazing about it is [TS]

  it's an accessible enough thing playing [TS]

  in a rock band that all sorts of [TS]

  normally introverted people are sort of [TS]

  drawn to it and the varying difficulty [TS]

  modes actually make it possible for [TS]

  anybody to get in on the action [TS]

  so I can play with my kids or I can play [TS]

  with my my drunken friends and family [TS]

  events I can play with my drunken family [TS]

  there's just a delicious something [TS]

  transcendent about the experience of [TS]

  four people voluntarily looking like [TS]

  idiots while they flail away lon on [TS]

  plastic toy instruments together if you [TS]

  had told me that one day I would be [TS]

  singing loudly pop songs in my living [TS]

  room while John Syracuse and watch me i [TS]

  would say never never ever ever ever [TS]

  ever ever [TS]

  and yet how what can I pay to avoid this [TS]

  situation that I that totally happened i [TS]

  won't be able to unsee that one and full [TS]

  credit to John for recusing himself from [TS]

  being involved in most of the rocket [TS]

  engine and against but huge fun huge but [TS]

  we have we have the with drums and [TS]

  guitars and rock band and the beatles [TS]

  rock band and my kids love it and yeah [TS]

  we we play that still every you know [TS]

  every month or two it will come out and [TS]

  my daughter loves playing the drums and [TS]

  I'm i prefer the base i think but just [TS]

  it's great what it doesn't it's about [TS]

  experiencing music I think that's [TS]

  actually the best way to put it is that [TS]

  it's not you're not actually playing [TS]

  guitar but you are kind of like enjoying [TS]

  the music and kind of your clapping [TS]

  along [TS]

  yeah in a way and also their songs that [TS]

  I've heard that I played on on rock band [TS]

  that now want to listen to them I am I [TS]

  am far more aware of what the other [TS]

  musicians writing the tracker doing than [TS]

  I ever was before which is kind of cool [TS]

  one of the great things about it is if [TS]

  you're playing just a single instrument [TS]

  that actually comes up in the mix so you [TS]

  gotta hear that that's that isolated [TS]

  track and you can get an appreciation I [TS]

  mean not just with you know you're [TS]

  actually being forced to follow along [TS]

  but you could actually hear how [TS]

  intricate the individual parts arts is [TS]

  pretty great and I'd like to thank John [TS]

  siracusa for not making some remarks [TS]

  hear about the quality of my rockband [TS]

  profound perhaps the only comment made [TS]

  as they come but I made every time I [TS]

  just anybody's that we're in there was a [TS]

  whole bunch of people over there and [TS]

  every single one of you could sing like [TS]

  that's the thing about this year but [TS]

  you're not really playing guitar and [TS]

  even drums like if you're kind of [TS]

  playing drums but not really but you're [TS]

  really singing like this no there's no [TS]

  getting around that the microphone and [TS]

  it's your voice and you guys can all [TS]

  carry doing so that's it's phenomenal [TS]

  from the experience in my family where [TS]

  the ratio is like one percenter well [TS]

  Jason if we want to hear you sing we can [TS]

  search seek out a specific podcast right [TS]

  you have to want to hear me sing in [TS]

  public i'm actually on podcasting in [TS]

  public search for it might get personal [TS]

  on your radio and you will hear me [TS]

  saying even close to get the pic you [TS]

  know the hits of the 80s plus Beatle [TS]

  songs which are reading your wheel right [TS]

  in my wheelhouse is well again we're [TS]

  back to being an old old person being an [TS]

  elderly man I i know dat song still [TS]

  because my parents didn't prevent me [TS]

  from listening to music players will [TS]

  give me a game company you know it would [TS]

  like to dance though it was we were [TS]

  raised in the movie Footloose where did [TS]

  the other cassette tape under the chin [TS]

  brutal [TS]

  yeah but John I was right there with you [TS]

  because my dad didn't want us to get an [TS]

  atari 2600 because he said and and this [TS]

  is I he wasn't this was an employee said [TS]

  I am afraid it will break the TV it's [TS]

  like this video games it's gonna put [TS]

  weird things on the TV and it's gonna [TS]

  break the TV set I can't tell you how [TS]

  many times my TV was almost broken by me [TS]

  chuckling one of those joysticks at it [TS]

  so it's it's a possibility TV stuff in [TS]

  those days though [TS]

  oh yeah it was a tank there's no way was [TS]

  getting a broken piece of furniture [TS]

  it weighed like 300 pounds yeah my [TS]

  parents they have their flat screen TV [TS]

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  so one more thing I wanted to mention [TS]

  about rock band because i don't care if [TS]

  it gets pointed out nearly often enough [TS]

  is how technically impressive the [TS]

  graphics engine is in the fact that they [TS]

  had to take basically an infinite number [TS]

  of possible songs and then translate [TS]

  into what looks like a real rock [TS]

  performance is i mean that's that's a [TS]

  that's a tough task and I think they [TS]

  pulled it off pretty amazingly i mean [TS]

  the the guitarist's are even at least as [TS]

  far as appearances go they look like [TS]

  they're playing the right notes when [TS]

  they zoom in on the hands on the [TS]

  fretboard you can actually see him [TS]

  moving in what looks like the right [TS]

  sequence so it's pretty great technical [TS]

  achievement I mean just beyond all of [TS]

  the difficulty of you know having [TS]

  multiple tracks going and that kind of [TS]

  disappeared right i mean there were many [TS]

  iterations of it for a while yeah [TS]

  activision came up with the market [TS]

  collapse on fake things to consider [TS]

  problem is that Activision over [TS]

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  andhra which which takes me off because [TS]

  when these instruments deteriorate i [TS]

  basically won't be able to get [TS]

  replacements without going on ebay and [TS]

  spending three hundred dollars on a [TS]

  sticky tar i I've got a box of plastic [TS]

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  room for my small love god i wish i had [TS]

  i wish i had hardees I get first time i [TS]

  will be sad because six years after the [TS]

  game came out just like Jason rarely a [TS]

  month goes by when somebody in the [TS]

  family doesn't I know start this thing [TS]

  up there was also there's a hole after [TS]

  market economy for that with people who [TS]

  would buy like off-brand better versions [TS]

  of either friend who was really into [TS]

  actually playing the drums and he could [TS]

  play the drums on rockband he would [TS]

  smash his pedal over and over again and [TS]

  that he bought like somebody made an [TS]

  actual like metal drum pedal compatible [TS]

  with the rock band drums so that he [TS]

  wouldn't break it that's like those [TS]

  flight simulator people who build an [TS]

  actual cockpit [TS]

  yes yeah or the racing game freak's [TS]

  whoo-hoo build you know an actual race [TS]

  car wasn't there like a ps2 game that [TS]

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  it was for the original xbox i still [TS]

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  I don't know what to do with it it's [TS]

  really big [TS]

  that's either the people who are into a [TS]

  rock band [TS]

  I would've bought steel battalion were [TS]

  not spend all the money in rock band but [TS]

  if you give me some sort of the inside [TS]

  of a mech cockpit for 200 bucks there [TS]

  you go [TS]

  this was a this was a ridiculous like [TS]

  multi parts that clicked [TS]

  whether it had pedals it had multiple [TS]

  choice you can buy it i guess i have it [TS]

  um and it had it the best part it had in [TS]

  it eject button if you did a race or [TS]

  dying like the campaign was over and the [TS]

  eject button was under a little plastic [TS]

  thing to get to flip up the glowing red [TS]

  eject button it was it was ridiculous in [TS]

  terms of how much space it took up for a [TS]

  single game i should also give it had a [TS]

  mournful credit even though he's not [TS]

  here I've never seen somebody play fake [TS]

  drums like Dan Morgan he's a therapist [TS]

  several having played a lot of rock band [TS]

  with a more in there many songs I can't [TS]

  hear you hearing dad were no wow [TS]

  now he's part animal yeah that's [TS]

  horrible i'm so sorry Tony [TS]

  yeah it you know it's not all that bad [TS]

  but it's not my kids my kids know the [TS]

  songs of the beatles because of rock [TS]

  beatles rockband know same here thats i [TS]

  love that place i love the fact that my [TS]

  kids got introduced to a lot of [TS]

  interesting songs just by virtue of the [TS]

  fact that they were easy to play on [TS]

  rockband yep absolutely [TS]

  my daughter's into REM right now as a [TS]

  matter of fact for that very reason when [TS]

  your kids see video the beatles they [TS]

  look those guys singing a song from the [TS]

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  your pic i watched i'll choose a shadow [TS]

  of the colossus for the playstation 2 [TS]

  2007 and because I thought John syracuse [TS]

  my pic it's on my list you can you can [TS]

  still okay good [TS]

  shadow of the colossus is one that and [TS]

  guitar hero or by my body playstation [TS]

  two relatively late in the playstation 2 [TS]

  cycle but like both of those were out [TS]

  and I was like I'm doing this I do tend [TS]

  to buy a lot of consoles way late into [TS]

  the after they come out I never buy a [TS]

  console like the first year I wait until [TS]

  they get cheaper and until like there's [TS]

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  of having to and they fail cost twenty [TS]

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  collection they all cost twenty dollars [TS]

  yeah i mean even i bought the xbox 360 [TS]

  lake two years after it came out and [TS]

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  the five best games for the 360 for like [TS]

  twenty bucks each and it's like these [TS]

  are you know that's going to keep me [TS]

  busy for a year [TS]

  shadow of the colossus was for the [TS]

  playstation 2 it's from Team I go who [TS]

  made iko iko home and it is for eco [TS]

  people say a different way we can which [TS]

  is falling down Syracuse and tells me [TS]

  its secret island that's what it is when [TS]

  he says that I get confused with a [TS]

  certain dolphin game is ecco ecco the [TS]

  dolphin I promise this is really what [TS]

  I'll go not intention i'm interested in [TS]

  exploring the problem for me is the [TS]

  peter gabriel song creeps in every time [TS]

  i say eco yeah this is this is rich [TS]

  material guys um let's unpack so-so [TS]

  shadow of the colossus character from [TS]

  the house set shadow of the colossus [TS]

  chattering classes is really interesting [TS]

  I would almost call a puzzle game it [TS]

  takes place in this kind of very broad [TS]

  open empty world and you're writing [TS]

  about your guy riding around on a horse [TS]

  and it kinda looks like it would be some [TS]

  kind of adventure ii dungeon dragon [TS]

  Zelda kind of game except there are no [TS]

  monsters there no villages with people [TS]

  there's just these huge colossi and [TS]

  shadows of the classes that you seek out [TS]

  and fight and usually the fight with [TS]

  them is huge and it's incredibly [TS]

  atmospheric in terms of presenting how [TS]

  enormous these creatures are and some of [TS]

  them are like Giants are flying things [TS]

  or fish-like creatures or giant crawling [TS]

  lizards and usually have to defeat them [TS]

  in some kind of puzzle like process of [TS]

  climbing up them and finding a glowing [TS]

  sigil on them and stabbing it over and [TS]

  over again after which point you start [TS]

  to as you play this game and it's [TS]

  basically just these these boss fights [TS]

  with kind of intermittent you know [TS]

  riding a class with a bleak barren [TS]

  landscape until you get to the next one [TS]

  starts to be this really weird effect of [TS]

  why am i killing these creatures and [TS]

  some of them you know some of them are [TS]

  kind of like dragon-like or look kind of [TS]

  fearsome but some of them look just kind [TS]

  of you know like lumbering Giants were [TS]

  just kind of hanging out there and [TS]

  you're like go and find them and [TS]

  stabbing them in the back of the head as [TS]

  you so that you can save your girlfriend [TS]

  kind of maybe and it started it it does [TS]

  a really great job of kind of building [TS]

  up this kind of discomfort in you in [TS]

  terms of why am I doing this indeed the [TS]

  the creatures the sound of the music and [TS]

  its really great and it's like they make [TS]

  these huge booming noises and when you [TS]

  stab them they really sound [TS]

  and it really kind of gets you to feel [TS]

  like you know that there's so much in [TS]

  video games like you just jump on [TS]

  people's heads to you know to kill them [TS]

  and get to the next level you start to [TS]

  feel really kind of uncomfortable with [TS]

  your with your actions are in this game [TS]

  i'm really looking forward to them the [TS]

  next game from from that team but it's [TS]

  it's unclear when it's going to ever [TS]

  come out [TS]

  given that it was supposed to be for [TS]

  playstation people I've and that didn't [TS]

  happen one valid about this game is to [TS]

  this day some of the things I've done in [TS]

  the boss battles and if you're here to [TS]

  subscribe like also what's a boss battle [TS]

  some of the things I've done in that [TS]

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  like the modern crutch of the barely [TS]

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  even given that i still haven't done [TS]

  things in cinematics there's cools the [TS]

  things that I've done under my complete [TS]

  control and shadow of the colossus that [TS]

  it does such an amazing job of putting [TS]

  all the wood behind the one arrow [TS]

  fighting these big things and giving you [TS]

  new experiences and just things that you [TS]

  have never you play video games your [TS]

  whole life and things that you have [TS]

  never done in a video game you'll do in [TS]

  this game under your complete control [TS]

  the whole time but it's just amazing it [TS]

  really kind of up and a lot of video [TS]

  games have this kind of teaching thing [TS]

  where it's like you're going to do [TS]

  something and then you're going to do [TS]

  that a lot of times over and over again [TS]

  to be successful and it really doesn't [TS]

  do that right each of the bosses really [TS]

  kind of unique and different and there [TS]

  is you know you have to find a sigil and [TS]

  stab it but it's not that like we're [TS]

  going to show you how to do something [TS]

  once and then you're gonna do it five [TS]

  times and feel great about yourself it's [TS]

  like no you're inexperienced each of [TS]

  these things that kind of different and [TS]

  new and exciting kind of way and it's [TS]

  one of it doesn't like train you on how [TS]

  to play the game i played through the [TS]

  whole game and then found out later that [TS]

  they're like their little lizards in the [TS]

  you know in the barren wasteland that [TS]

  you can like shoot and getting your help [TS]

  I had no idea that never came up for me [TS]

  while playing it made it hard because i [TS]

  did not very much health didn't didn't [TS]

  do enough exploring and that's the thing [TS]

  about this game is that like the [TS]

  exploring part like it sounds like [TS]

  what's the point like that changes the [TS]

  game so much the fact that you have to [TS]

  find these things and the fact that [TS]

  you're like the sense of loneliness and [TS]

  the trip to them makes all the [TS]

  difference in the world versus they just [TS]

  had this game like had a hub room with a [TS]

  bunch of doors and you walk their dog [TS]

  door identified totally changes the game [TS]

  to have to go find them in their sort of [TS]

  natural habitat and see them doing what [TS]

  it [TS]

  is that they do it in the game is very [TS]

  much about moved like all the other [TS]

  games from this developer and it really [TS]

  really does make a difference when these [TS]

  games that in description sounds like [TS]

  you're not going to like it I definitely [TS]

  didn't think i would like it because [TS]

  after he goes like 16 boss battles and [TS]

  stupid but it's the details applying the [TS]

  game even going up on the guy and [TS]

  stabbing him in that spot [TS]

  it's not like you go up up hit button to [TS]

  step it is not like that at all it is [TS]

  the whole game is concentrating on [TS]

  giving you the feel of what it would be [TS]

  like to crawl on top of warnings and [TS]

  stabbed it and it's not just move move [TS]

  to the spot hit the button to stab not [TS]

  like that at all [TS]

  I i agree with 20john that it's an [TS]

  incredibly atmospheric game it's [TS]

  incredibly well done but I got through [TS]

  for colossi and had enough is that just [TS]

  I'm not enough of the gamer it does get [TS]

  harder it gets this like I said the [TS]

  Jason he think has this game too and I [TS]

  said I would doubt he would never finish [TS]

  it because it like there's 16 and it did [TS]

  they difficulty ramps pretty heavily and [TS]

  I most people it will leave behind [TS]

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  them if you have to try 800 times like [TS]

  well now I'm not enjoying this anymore [TS]

  you want that be to be difficult and try [TS]

  once twice three times in one year so [TS]

  that once you're into the double digits [TS]

  then it's not fun anymore so everyone [TS]

  reaches their limit i think i watch the [TS]

  cut scenes on youtube and finishing [TS]

  games it i think is different for [TS]

  different people i mean i find myself I [TS]

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  feel like I can't you know go on to the [TS]

  next game until I kind of beat a game [TS]

  even if i'm not super having fun with it [TS]

  and I've you know I've kind of slog [TS]

  through some games but as a result i buy [TS]

  more and more games that I know are [TS]

  shorter [TS]

  I really appreciate the number of kind [TS]

  of indie games or downloadable games [TS]

  that are you know I know we're gonna be [TS]

  like less than 10 hours whereas I know [TS]

  other people who are like they're really [TS]

  into the like the later final fantasies [TS]

  and doing all the side quests which is [TS]

  like you know that's a commitment lunges [TS]

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  like that's like a graduate degree you [TS]

  know like travel classes had the [TS]

  advantage of being bite-sized digestible [TS]

  you could do one classes tonight r1 [TS]

  classes a week or whatever and they like [TS]

  you've never you knew you weren't gonna [TS]

  leave off in the middle like you're [TS]

  going to find the classes you're going [TS]

  to find many maybe you give up for the [TS]

  day and go back to the same classes a [TS]

  different day but I thought I think the [TS]

  gaming was too and pretty much to a [TS]

  gamer who [TS]

  who was like a similar age to why I was [TS]

  had experience with NES and everything [TS]

  because it was difficult but the only [TS]

  want to sound like something slightly [TS]

  frustrated with the very last one and [TS]

  actually the last one is the 1i have the [TS]

  most vivid memories of because of some [TS]

  particular movement you have to do is [TS]

  get the children over again a the you [TS]

  know the Colossus and I remember one [TS]

  particular thing [TS]

  yeah many many times I got really stuck [TS]

  on the like is like a kind of a lizard [TS]

  he won that crawls around on the walls [TS]

  and I think it took me the longest to [TS]

  kind of get yeah it's not only if you [TS]

  get anything if you get stuck on the [TS]

  puzzle if you don't know what to do you [TS]

  just repeatedly tried to execute the [TS]

  wrong plan and will also get from action [TS]

  but now i didn't i didn't find it [TS]

  frustrating until until the very last [TS]

  one where I felt there was a little bit [TS]

  cheap but by then the the end was inside [TS]

  and I'm definitely someone who needs to [TS]

  finish most games i'm glad i finish this [TS]

  one I believe that there's a I don't [TS]

  have a playstation 3 but I believe there [TS]

  is a part of it for playstation the [TS]

  hi-res in the frame rate it better so i [TS]

  highly recommend it [TS]

  so i'd recommend you know it actually it [TS]

  for a game that's what six years old [TS]

  actually had pretty impressive graphics [TS]

  especially for playstation 2 game but [TS]

  yeah there's even fancier shinier [TS]

  version you quit playing if you have one [TS]

  of the modern systems units it's [TS]

  packaged together with eco on this [TS]

  undated that's what I've got his neck oh [TS]

  I got it so dot co-equal alright i can't [TS]

  wait to hear what crazy game more access [TS]

  is going to pick next but sadly we're [TS]

  going to save that for next week we've [TS]

  picked eight classic video games we have [TS]

  16 more to go [TS]

  so come back next week for the next [TS]

  episode of the uncomfortable and you'll [TS]

  hear a pic 16 more classic video games [TS]

  but until then I want to thank my guests [TS]

  for being here Greg moss John siracusa [TS]

  SSG on Steve lutz and Tony sindelar i'm [TS]

  your host Jason L will see you next week [TS]

  thanks for listening to be uncomfortable [TS]