0:00:00hello hi John how are you I'm Merlin and
0:00:11the name John you need a better song for
0:00:16me who I have a song for you darlin
0:00:19darlin darlin darlin John alright that's
0:00:23worth of work for me
0:00:25doesn't that kind of it's got a what's
0:00:28that was that ping-pong when you play
0:00:29The Black Keys only that's not Phrygian
0:00:31we call that we do that is something I
0:00:34mean that John Lennon song
0:00:36yeah there's a radiohead song to that so
0:00:38all on the black keys
0:00:40that's really good it's the it's that
0:00:42one that's impossible to learn because
0:00:44it's it's a because it was written by
0:00:48geniuses well guy another one I'm
0:00:50talking about
0:00:51yeah I bet it's no surprises now no no
0:00:55it's the it's the piano one from one of
0:00:57those later records that were the other
0:00:59one of the world leaders and bloops yeah
0:01:01yeah but it wasn't looking but they kept
0:01:03putting up those records that were
0:01:04bleeps and bloops and I and I and I was
0:01:07supposed to not like them and then every
0:01:09one of them had some great songs on it
0:01:11couldn't have been composed by mere
0:01:14mortals and really just like are you
0:01:16assholes I'm hm write that down i'm
0:01:19super intrigued by that it because i
0:01:21took me a really long time i sent John
0:01:24Roderick I took me a long time to warm
0:01:26up to Radiohead and can you get a fair
0:01:28yeah not a huge welcome can you guess
0:01:30the reason why I just I was way over
0:01:33Radiohead and I was fucking tired of
0:01:35hearing about how great Radiohead was
0:01:38but more importantly how I had to we
0:01:40have to listen to the radio head right i
0:01:42was so i like that i like the creep song
0:01:44you know objected to being told that if
0:01:46that if you didn't like them you weren't
0:01:48smart
0:01:49yes and ever that I wasn't you know it's
0:01:51what it would be like it's weird it's
0:01:53like in 10
0:01:54it's like admitting you don't read books
0:01:56or something yeah well you know I i had
0:01:59a my Radiohead like moment i was i was
0:02:04working in a magazine store and i was
0:02:07reading the English pop magazine
0:02:09assimilates the magazine store
0:02:11i was when i was working a magazine
0:02:12store back in ya back in the sixties man
0:02:15me and Lester Bangs and Tom Wolfe and
0:02:18and I spent it was the best job in the
0:02:20world i had it for its little basically
0:02:22the longest job I ever kept because I
0:02:25would sit find this counter in this like
0:02:27newsstand and people would come in and
0:02:29say you have the local newspaper and i
0:02:32would say hey what kind of newspaper
0:02:35stand with this be if we didn't have the
0:02:36local newspaper and then they would like
0:02:39throw their quarter down on the counter
0:02:41and storm out and I would I think I felt
0:02:43good to feel superior all day and and i
0:02:47would read the English pop magazines you
0:02:48know like before mojo and Q became just
0:02:53about repackaging the beatles every
0:02:55issue talk about nme nme was always hard
0:02:58for me to really swallow because there's
0:03:01a lot of there's a lot of jargon and
0:03:03yeah i was 17 anymore like that that
0:03:06their coverage variable and she very
0:03:08evil and she not use the enemy them yes
0:03:12right but anyway so I'm reading this
0:03:14article about the recording of ok
0:03:17computer
0:03:17yeah very super interesting story yeah I
0:03:20met and the and the the reports an
0:03:22in-depth article on the guys like waxing
0:03:25a romantic about how this records being
0:03:28made and all my god these guys are
0:03:30making this incredible thing and you may
0:03:32know them from their creep song but this
0:03:34thing this record is a is a work of art
0:03:36and so I'm sitting there the newsstand
0:03:41and I pick up the phone and I call the
0:03:42independent record store see this story
0:03:45does take place in the sixties who in
0:03:48the center of Gladstone's yet phones i
0:03:50picked up the the dial rotary phone and
0:03:53I call the independent record store
0:03:54which was down at the other end of
0:03:55broadway central said operator get me
0:03:59the record store got caught up
0:04:02hey you're that yeah Jack can get off
0:04:04the get of this party line i got into
0:04:06emergency is it Christmas Day
0:04:08what about that turkey in the window
0:04:10that goes in the window um and I call
0:04:13down there and I said hey uh so you do
0:04:17know is that radiohead record coming out
0:04:19anytime soon and the prison could answer
0:04:22the phone when
0:04:23oh it came out today and I said really
0:04:28the ok computer he's like it came out
0:04:31today it's the release day and you can
0:04:34hear him he's talking about it like he
0:04:36started to whisper like he's in the
0:04:38church and I said Wow is a good and he
0:04:41said it's amazing and i said well i have
0:04:47to i have now I have to have this record
0:04:49I have to get this record and he said no
0:04:51no you have to get this record Who and I
0:04:55said I know right away you hate him but
0:04:56but this was this was you know this is
0:04:5819 whatever and 97 and and when we were
0:05:03having a that we're having a real a real
0:05:05phone experience the two of us and I
0:05:08said well hey look on i'm working at the
0:05:10magazine store down at the other end of
0:05:11a Broadway and i don't get off till
0:05:14midnight he said all man we close 11 but
0:05:18here's what I'm going to do
0:05:19I'll bring it to you and that's a fan
0:05:24and I said really said I'm going to
0:05:27bring it to you right now and so I SAT
0:05:30there at my job and 20 minutes later in
0:05:32comes this kid with you know like
0:05:35wearing a some kind of whatever the
0:05:38hipster outfit at the time was bug brown
0:05:40Levi's chords with bootcut bottoms and a
0:05:43chain wallet or whatever people wore
0:05:46back in the day and he's like you know
0:05:49he hands it to me with both hands like
0:05:50here you go
0:05:51I was like wow thank you you know and I
0:05:54gave him ten dollars or however much
0:05:55records costs and tuppence
0:05:59I guess I've lived in a copper carry out
0:06:02your outline my cranky gonna run along
0:06:06run along
0:06:07I was that guy was after me I was kind
0:06:09of hoping that you would say that he was
0:06:10in a wheelchair haha like maybe he was
0:06:15going he had some kind of ND were
0:06:17holding on a homemade crunch so anyway
0:06:20all we have left is little stool but we
0:06:23all we all have we all have stories
0:06:25about certain records like how our limo
0:06:27I could matter and that and the fact
0:06:30that this guy at the at the record store
0:06:32like made this trip and just the just a
0:06:35coincidence
0:06:36like I'm reading this article i'm gonna
0:06:38call the record store it's not something
0:06:39I normally do it always made me treasure
0:06:42it be above and beyond the experience
0:06:47the the initial experience i had the
0:06:48music which was I put it in and and and
0:06:52that first song with it's hypnotizing
0:06:54baseline
0:06:55I you know I like I wasn't sure if it
0:06:58pass the smell test at first but it
0:07:00ended up you know of course it's a great
0:07:02record does that mean i can't play
0:07:04whatever what this is what this is not
0:07:06least I said he went always say if they
0:07:08said that he went back to save the
0:07:10airbag and then I i had a gun into
0:07:13lyrics and realize that it's a great
0:07:15it's a fucking great song on my life and
0:07:18that's actually a great image like you
0:07:19could reincorporate that I might take
0:07:21that into that is linked back to save
0:07:23the airbag
0:07:24yeah well they're like all records only
0:07:25one song on it that I despise but other
0:07:27than that it is a pretty much almost
0:07:30flawless record and I didn't I i was
0:07:32very you wanna come back to that you
0:07:33remember that down what sorry oh please
0:07:35right now but you can guess you can get
0:07:36at you can't even guess
0:07:37no I know what song you don't like on
0:07:39the radio and record but what song don't
0:07:40you like on rumors
0:07:42oh daddy are you having not crazy about
0:07:44daddy
0:07:45at least I don't forget my head or you
0:07:47think you can guess it's got 12 song can
0:07:49you guess
0:07:50Radiohead yeah i mean i think it's i
0:07:53think it's the one song if it's armored
0:07:54police now
0:07:55not at all like to later would you call
0:07:59me too sorry i start over
0:08:02it's in the sequence and you've almost
0:08:05flawless and no you enjoy a good
0:08:06sequence election down electric
0:08:08electioneering silly yeah it's fix way
0:08:10out I just punku one skipper it's a
0:08:13skipper but my gosh have so much to
0:08:16follow up with the no way to talk about
0:08:18radio though you might overhear I want
0:08:21to just I just want to say that this is
0:08:22this is bad on me and because you know
0:08:24there's this is a constant availability
0:08:26heuristic as you like to say there are
0:08:28certain things where you see a pattern
0:08:29often enough that you got me not for me
0:08:31right
0:08:32you know this is you do this all the
0:08:33time you're very productive person
0:08:34innovative like what pattern that I'm
0:08:36expecting now is that you're going to
0:08:37segue somehow to talk about Sloan and
0:08:41and you know it's
0:08:44something i want to put the kibosh on
0:08:46okay i want to talk about Sloan you
0:08:48never want to talk about Sloan eric is
0:08:50the only one that would talk to me about
0:08:51salon there are a lot of people in
0:08:52Seattle that will talk to you about
0:08:53Sloan I know it's it's what is it
0:08:55something the name check they try and
0:08:56talk to me about Sloan and I have seen
0:08:58Sloan half a dozen times just came out
0:09:00the same here came up saying here's one
0:09:01chord to another if you're curious about
0:09:03how can you not like d turns to G oh my
0:09:08god the the you know but seriously there
0:09:12are albums like this and i have to say
0:09:14John I just feel like I don't know you
0:09:16you know perfectly well but I feel like
0:09:17I see this all time with you you gotta
0:09:19switch flips and you go the more I hear
0:09:22about this thing the more I'm so fucking
0:09:24never going to consume this personally I
0:09:27mean and I've had a lot of good reason
0:09:28to feel that way there are some times
0:09:30when I've been dead wrong
0:09:31there's a lot of time to write and it's
0:09:32why I fear how I have become the wire
0:09:36guy and the movie guy like you got to
0:09:38watch the wire you gotta listen to move
0:09:40and I do it until everybody sick of it
0:09:41no one likes it and now they're mad
0:09:43couldn't want to listen to the wire now
0:09:45for me I don't know how this happened
0:09:46also was recording the castle I gotta
0:09:49look this one's castle recordings i
0:09:51think i look at it wasn't a little
0:09:53computer castle recording I thought they
0:09:55did it on a on a canal barge ah hmm i
0:09:59think if they can October by you to
0:10:00follow the good women know you to
0:10:04definitely recorded in the castle that
0:10:05without let's start
0:10:07ok computer didn't record it partly in
0:10:09hallways and bathrooms and I think of
0:10:10something else I might be thinking of
0:10:12the planet telex record which i also
0:10:13want to talk about i'm not sure i do
0:10:15know that i do that know that David
0:10:17Gilmore has a studio in a boat on the
0:10:20Thames or something just to get away
0:10:22from roger waters well because at a
0:10:25certain point at a certain point it's
0:10:27like I could either throw my money in
0:10:29the temp yes or i could build a studio
0:10:31in a barge on the Thames like I have too
0:10:33much money and i am i'm just going to do
0:10:36so i'm gonna do this i'm writing this
0:10:37down just so never have to talk about
0:10:39again I I don't like to bring up Mike
0:10:41love I need someone to write things down
0:10:42so you never have to talk about them
0:10:44again write things down for a lot of
0:10:46reasons John I'm gonna get a carton
0:10:47listen listen other Merlin who lives in
0:10:50my head i'm writing this down and we're
0:10:52done talking about it
0:10:53you be quiet you two I'm just think it's
0:10:55super group involving Mike 11 Roger
0:10:57Waters we can come back to that if you
0:10:58wait a minute i'm a Roger Waters fan
0:11:00yeah what wait a minute i don't like 11
0:11:03things wrong with that your day and now
0:11:05you'll absolutely absolutely
0:11:07he's around her and I my god the what I
0:11:10mean like love could join that super
0:11:12group that we're putting together with
0:11:13anthony kiedis on vocals and we should
0:11:17see this hand think I'm doing right now
0:11:18and robby krieger on guitar but all the
0:11:22best fighters are just a little research
0:11:25on drums uh-huh
0:11:26just just the cream don't think he's a
0:11:28good drummer Lars it i mean he's I don't
0:11:31know who makes his drums uh large should
0:11:34we talk about injustice for all at some
0:11:36point we talked about that with me maybe
0:11:38and justice for all as a tremendous
0:11:39record yeah I like this I like this how
0:11:41you like the highlight this trigger
0:11:42drums I don't know that there's not
0:11:45there's no there's nothing about the
0:11:47drums and metallica this is the thing
0:11:49that sounds like he's playing a phone
0:11:51buck james hetfield is such a musician
0:11:53such a tremendous musician who although
0:11:56his his taste in his judgment or
0:11:57sometimes in question didn't always get
0:11:59the credit but such a tremendous
0:12:01musician that he has made a massively
0:12:03popular band with some classic music in
0:12:06spite of the fact that his drummer and
0:12:08lead guitar player are both like
0:12:11absolute animal they could figure out
0:12:15how to teleport they couldn't figure out
0:12:16a turnstile with a Sherpa and
0:12:18flashlights and I think they're not
0:12:19bright men when you watch the
0:12:21documentaries i always thought you know
0:12:23Hadfield was goofy you know and is
0:12:26setting aside the alcohol stuff I I
0:12:27thought he was just dumb as shit and the
0:12:30Kirk Hammett was the genius the spoolie
0:12:31doodlee doodlee guy but it's clear that
0:12:34like first field does it all and he
0:12:37plays a bunch of the good parts right it
0:12:39was the mall because all the good parts
0:12:40and then everyone you know then he like
0:12:42points through the glass curtain goes ok
0:12:45literally right you got 45 seconds go
0:12:48yeah that's in it becomes like that
0:12:51yngwie al dimeola thing we're just doing
0:12:53runs yes the flowers oranges dad was in
0:12:56Metallica that would be an incredible
0:12:58insight about Bobby Ulrich
0:13:00what's-his-name remember remember he's
0:13:02the little use the little dwarf that
0:13:04lives in
0:13:04toadstool that appears halfway through
0:13:06the movie and like talk shit about all
0:13:08their music
0:13:09he's got great touches beard into his
0:13:11belt right one of those guys I gotta go
0:13:13back and this is just some kind of
0:13:15monster
0:13:16yeah that that movie though that armor
0:13:19just watching terrible record but like
0:13:21that vitamin b12 shot just having feet
0:13:23having seen the film but when you walk
0:13:25away though like you're still pulling
0:13:27forehead field isn't a weird i mean at
0:13:29least i was the whole time I was like oh
0:13:30man he's the Paul like he's appalled
0:13:33he's doing is trying to hold this shit
0:13:34together when he's got you know well not
0:13:36all probably had fewer of the problems
0:13:38that the demons that field demons but
0:13:41you think Paul McCartney had fewer
0:13:42demons the james hetfield I think
0:13:45they're probably easier to market you
0:13:48think it's a team meeting is a hunted
0:13:49man Paul McCartney Paul yeah he's
0:13:51haunted by the board normal texting
0:13:53seriously got divorced from a lady who
0:13:55lost her leg in mine and that's
0:13:56complicated
0:13:57that's a lot of layers to that John
0:13:59noticed it was ugly
0:14:01I'm trying to think I mean Paul
0:14:02McCartney this is the thing about the
0:14:04Beatles that no one ever talks about
0:14:05which is that I mean people talk about
0:14:06it but it but it it's not like the
0:14:09Zeppelin era where people really talked
0:14:11about it with the beatles I mean think
0:14:12about all the birds that they shagged
0:14:16when shagging birds was a thing you
0:14:19could do and then Paul McCartney marries
0:14:23a like a forty-five-year-old one-legged
0:14:26girl and before that it was the the
0:14:28photo lady couldn't sing a photo lady
0:14:30couldn't thing and frankly wasn't pretty
0:14:33ever heard soundcheck was just her
0:14:34monitors i have oh my did you every one
0:14:37of her frozen dinners
0:14:38no no but I see need to hold the door
0:14:40open legally a vegan door okay yeah the
0:14:44pleather I remember walking through a
0:14:46supermarket and seeing her face
0:14:47appearing out of me through the frozen
0:14:49you know like our vegan meals in behind
0:14:53the the freezer compartment and I just
0:14:56thought oh that have that tastes
0:14:59terrible then I don't taste terrible to
0:15:00look at it now she says she is an old
0:15:02paintings she pass
0:15:03oh yeah she's Paul would never have
0:15:06divorced her they were that was like the
0:15:07love of the age of like he's trying to
0:15:09do a yoga thing that you've seen John
0:15:11Lennon ice cream and ice cream
0:15:14no Ben & Jerry's
0:15:16that was the horrible may imagine you
0:15:18know whirled peas or whatever what's
0:15:20called a convention chocolate swirl or
0:15:22whatever you know like everything apart
0:15:24a person the proceeds go to charity
0:15:26ok i encourage you next time you go to
0:15:28your store that sells ice cream and eye
0:15:29to eye
0:15:30I buy a lot of ice cream ice time ago i
0:15:32took photo this point on the internet
0:15:33one time ago and look at the service
0:15:36mark it's just I know this is five shows
0:15:39we can't get into it but it literally
0:15:41says on a John Lennon is it is a
0:15:43trademark of you haha and i know i
0:15:48understand the life is complicated
0:15:49in-laws are the way they are but I was
0:15:52like you are you know what that's that's
0:15:54been true for a pretty long time
0:15:56yeah yeah I got that letter I got a copy
0:15:58that let it being but i can't watch it
0:15:59because the Beatles don't talk about
0:16:01beetles and birds reading glasses right
0:16:04now I they aren't they are my
0:16:06prescription I'm and i don't know why i
0:16:11put them on but it's making everything
0:16:13look super convex but this is like half
0:16:16glasses
0:16:17no no they look like real glasses but
0:16:20they're magnifying glasses instead of us
0:16:22a look at john linnell we got like big
0:16:23eyes super-big I separate the time and
0:16:26generally no had had had absurd jokey
0:16:29like magic store glasses on the meet his
0:16:31eyes look like look like like the size
0:16:34of silver dollars he has very thick
0:16:36glasses but he also has huge eyes are
0:16:39very very handsome man that floppy hair
0:16:41is hard to do
0:16:42yeah he's the kind of handsome that
0:16:45where you feel like you you just feel
0:16:50like just snuggling up in his armpit
0:16:53it's no it's a different kind of
0:16:54handsome and he seems like about the
0:16:55last guy in the world that would let you
0:16:57do that he would not let you do that no
0:16:59man John Vanderslice you could get the
0:17:01dog bed with him just roll around he
0:17:03talked into it you know what funny you
0:17:04should mention that vanderslice is here
0:17:05right now snuggling in my arms again a
0:17:08lucky man like Jim thank you
0:17:10come on i'm doing a podcast was like oh
0:17:11man
0:17:12i'm @hardwick ok here's what I've got
0:17:15right now we got to come back to the
0:17:16beatles I I think we need to tackle the
0:17:18Paul issue at length because I have some
0:17:20very strong Paul feelings i really do
0:17:22too but I don't I don't feel like I can
0:17:24just I don't feel like I can start
0:17:25talking about no need to stretch it's
0:17:26like yoga
0:17:27ok ok I've also got a red hair
0:17:30wheelchair I want to talk about my cured
0:17:32meats I want to control down a little
0:17:33bit more recording in a castle is I
0:17:35don't think that might be a brian eno
0:17:36thing it's a huge the recording a castle
0:17:38that's the bottom thing right that they
0:17:40made all the bottom drum sounds in the
0:17:42in the stairwell of the of the castle
0:17:45and foot aluminum foil is kick drum hear
0:17:48that
0:17:49no I didn't hear that idea here that he
0:17:50would throw he would throw a drumstick
0:17:52at any recording engineer that got
0:17:54within 15 feet of his kit there for him
0:17:57he makes his own drums
0:17:58well they didn't want to he didn't want
0:18:00close miking he want he only wanted the
0:18:02Far mics and if they tried to but you
0:18:04know and recording engineers always want
0:18:05to put my close-up makes their job
0:18:06easier so they'd stayed we stayed sneak
0:18:09in and they start moving the mic stories
0:18:10kid huh KITT he talks tix at them until
0:18:12they got scared and ran away when okay
0:18:15if you get out you can sm57 foreign up
0:18:18far enough up and engineers ask you
0:18:19can't very very dry sound is what they
0:18:21call it in the industry are you speaking
0:18:23from personal experience nobody i
0:18:25mean--is don't you use like forced air
0:18:26will usually sm57 is pretty flexible for
0:18:29four jumps are not on the kick butt like
0:18:30you can you can get by with an sm57
0:18:32right you put a 757 on and we can hammer
0:18:35nails with that shit all day long do
0:18:36anything you can make an entire record
0:18:38with just one NASA mission I can't tell
0:18:40you how many stinky sm57 that his smell
0:18:43I've smelled some really bad sm57 and
0:18:45they all pretty much work it's always
0:18:47the cord it's very seldom that Mike they
0:18:49smell like there's more like low tide
0:18:51like the tide goes out and then the the
0:18:55crustaceans are kind of rotting there on
0:18:57the beach that's what a lot of those
0:18:58mics Allah low tide
0:19:00yeah whenever we have a ribbon mic guy
0:19:02i've certainly use them i think they're
0:19:05I think there was you bring your inbox
0:19:07and shit
0:19:08ok it's ok it's expensive but they are
0:19:10expensive in the ribbon I mean it's a
0:19:12you know that no sm57 those breaks super
0:19:14easy if you like sing too loud and break
0:19:17the new with the new ones are
0:19:18more robust was that doesn't sound
0:19:20ribbony I want to get back to recording
0:19:21a castle doesn't 57 is like the
0:19:24Telecaster there was a bit they made it
0:19:26perfect the rest i can put it in the
0:19:27trunk you could take it apart and put in
0:19:28the trunk
0:19:29yeah yeah we should come back to that I
0:19:31had telecast recording in a castle what
0:19:33you're thinking of is dr. Quinn Medicine
0:19:35Woman owns a castle that she rents out
0:19:39two bands to record group is that true
0:19:43yeah she lives in a castle and when
0:19:45she's done she's making dr. Quinn
0:19:47Medicine Woman or whatever she makes
0:19:49other films and stuff I think she runs
0:19:52this out to to rock bands her house but
0:19:56making problems simply a web page for
0:19:58that
0:19:59that's my son that's most of it yeah
0:20:01she's an actress she's them and halfway
0:20:04or somebody she was sort of boobies in
0:20:07something once when she was young I
0:20:09don't know who she was she was in a
0:20:10James Bond movie
0:20:12no shoes are peeled monger look that up
0:20:15telecaster I think I've told you this
0:20:17story first of all part b III haven't
0:20:20explored this a little bit offline and
0:20:23talking to some of our non-fans but i
0:20:25think would be interesting to this is a
0:20:27really dumb idea what i was thinking it
0:20:28would be fun at some point to do a
0:20:30series on REM records the ones that I'm
0:20:34familiar with MH she's like I'm just on
0:20:37that green are you somebody that
0:20:39includes green or somebody that that's
0:20:41not what I was just just out of
0:20:43generosity is a monster but Green would
0:20:45be fine with me
0:20:46oh you go all the way to moms now see
0:20:48just because i love internet personality
0:20:50i have to please people charge ya know I
0:20:52stopped a dream i stopped before green
0:20:55up to Green uh I know every note okay
0:20:59what is this how you wanna roll from
0:21:00green on it's like okay whatever you
0:21:03want to stop a life with that rich
0:21:04pageant you're not gonna get an argument
0:21:05from me that you pick your you know pick
0:21:08your tunes or whatever and I'm gonna
0:21:09week as a superfan
0:21:11ok I you know what let's keep it let's
0:21:13keep it tight
0:21:14I think it's okay so what's the one of
0:21:15Elections pageant and that's a screen is
0:21:18a green 86 let's come back to this
0:21:20anyway my point being you know I yeah
0:21:23when you're younger and you have a
0:21:24modest amount of money just expect to
0:21:26the independent record stores thing I
0:21:28was a Tampa to the physical final fever
0:21:30to my record
0:21:31he's like you know half hour 45 minute
0:21:33drive you go there a great record to
0:21:35import is where i bought my level
0:21:37terrorist apart 7-inch it's like where
0:21:39you go to buy your records you still
0:21:40have that level to transport 7u bad idea
0:21:43yeah with the BW packed with you nobody
0:21:47stands for packed with Jenna locksmith
0:21:50bwca cbw don't know what that means is
0:21:52level tears apart BW these days and i
0:21:55bought it in nineteen hundred and
0:21:57eighty-five force in Europe roundtable
0:22:03yes and like a lot of the factory
0:22:04rectory you know it costs a custom
0:22:05literally $17 to make each one of those
0:22:07and only charge to quit
0:22:09nobody even knows what a quit is it was
0:22:11very uh it's a the top
0:22:13how many ok so how much did you got
0:22:15farther you guys how many part you get
0:22:16so many far as shit showings go into
0:22:19going two parsecs parsecs going to top
0:22:22ants and stuff is going to vomit copper
0:22:24how many how many bugs here in a copper
0:22:26I think good i think it's for Bob's to a
0:22:29copper mine got your uncle and then and
0:22:32then Allah 11-team coppers to 26 pins
0:22:36ok and then what's the Exchequer the
0:22:39Exchequer is like the the second
0:22:41secretary of state it's like these a
0:22:42finance person exchequer right well it's
0:22:44a yeah it's like the minister of finance
0:22:47and that's I i had so i had this long
0:22:49list of names that I wanted for bands
0:22:50that were all uniformly awful and I
0:22:52really when I was in high school I
0:22:54really wanted a band called exchequer
0:22:55mmm that's a good name
0:22:57no it's not it's really not X chill it's
0:23:00chill
0:23:01so I heard the reviews I'd heard the end
0:23:04of your lists I'd seen the past and job
0:23:06I've seen it all and I knew clearly in
0:23:08order for me to make this next step in
0:23:10my life I was going to go have to go buy
0:23:12a copy of this album called murmur ok
0:23:14and this is at a time
0:23:16this is a very strange point for me
0:23:17because this is when on a trip to vinyl
0:23:19fever i might walk away with the secret
0:23:21policeman's other wall that the Thompson
0:23:24Twins into the gap and enjoy too much
0:23:27instant she might buy that that zapper
0:23:29record that's all
0:23:30orchestral arrangements i get negative x
0:23:331 but
0:23:34but like i wanted to i want to Zappa
0:23:37record only 99 cents ship your item too
0:23:41late to save eight dollars in sixty-nine
0:23:43cents so I go in there it's almost
0:23:45closing time you remember this right and
0:23:47you're sitting there this is these kids
0:23:48today to understand this you just going
0:23:50download the entire you know who screwed
0:23:51discography and come back from lunch and
0:23:53you got it all gonna stand
0:23:55no they don't understand that this was
0:23:56this is truly an economic decision and
0:23:59I'm sitting there like I don't remember
0:24:00the other record i i i really do have
0:24:02this weird recollection of it being a
0:24:04Thompson Twins record but i'm probably
0:24:05misremembering that i'm sure into the
0:24:07gap without yet having fun boy three
0:24:09oh sure they think the now they did
0:24:11something with Bananarama right then
0:24:13what I can on the sealed our lips are
0:24:15sealed is that four-minute singer of fun
0:24:17boy three co-wrote are ripped our lips
0:24:19are sealed with jane wiedlin may each
0:24:21did it a different version of it on
0:24:23their respective records mainland wrote
0:24:25that they believe that Jane Wiedlin
0:24:27wrote a lot of the lot of the hits and
0:24:29she was a great songwriter friends
0:24:31started Francis article talks about
0:24:33total super boxes I pixie I tried to be
0:24:36friends with her on Twitter and you were
0:24:40too much fur
0:24:41mmm that was just that there was a there
0:24:44was a culture gap a communication gap
0:24:46got him back to this we got supposes
0:24:49that she was she was like living in a
0:24:52different you know what I did you know
0:24:54what i did this week started following
0:24:56any man so now i'm following ii men this
0:25:00journey is a is she she's a real
0:25:02facebooker she doesn't have Facebook
0:25:05very well because she likes longer-form
0:25:08exchanges have here some longer for us
0:25:11that's not even funny
0:25:13what if I was Romeo in black jeans
0:25:14here's the thing um like Michael Penn
0:25:16record you hear that wont to no myth on
0:25:18it
0:25:19great record bike rider she has so much
0:25:21Mary to write as much on Brian right now
0:25:23he's mentioned Michael jump Ryan's the
0:25:25windows in the pan with the Jason
0:25:27partner okay um Jason fuckers great
0:25:30he's also great he does great also great
0:25:33you seen him lately
0:25:34big gun big fella and he's making
0:25:37records with Susanna Hoffs who's still
0:25:39just as beautiful as ever one
0:25:41the cover of us girls awful the the
0:25:45thing is i'm sorry i'm in the store
0:25:46right i think it's that we're matter
0:25:48came to this a 14 Fletcher Tampa anyway
0:25:51working for so right in the heart of
0:25:53tampa it sits in the bondage gear
0:25:57district yes and so I think it's near
0:25:59that near the left ventricle of us and
0:26:01it's there that University I'm super
0:26:02grateful I didn't end up going to yeah
0:26:04the one that's all that looks like a
0:26:05like a wedding cake
0:26:07no no that's university of tampa totally
0:26:09different totally fancy-looking
0:26:11university it is it is and I think
0:26:14they've got they've got a bookstore in
0:26:15their place where they give up the
0:26:16diplomas so I'm inviting fever and ok so
0:26:20you know you know you know record store
0:26:22guy right
0:26:23it's not that different camera store guy
0:26:24guitar store guy comic book guy you know
0:26:27there's this is a type and i gotta say i
0:26:29also used to be video store guy there
0:26:31was a video store guy in sarasota that
0:26:33loved fucking with people because you go
0:26:35in it was an awesome indie like you
0:26:37could go and get all these crazy you
0:26:38know whatever you know hard to find film
0:26:41you could get and if you ask him for
0:26:42advice any thought your bozo he would
0:26:44recommend something horrible to you
0:26:45right you should try stars and bars like
0:26:48home
0:26:48god this is awful so anyway I go in
0:26:51there and I know told you this but I
0:26:53treasure this story I go in there I'm
0:26:54holding two LPs in my hands and like you
0:26:58know I hate 69
0:27:00hey you know that's a 69 they can't get
0:27:02anything else right and I'm like this
0:27:03sorry I'm records remember I hear a lot
0:27:05about it and you know is this good
0:27:09should i get this and without missing a
0:27:12beat he goes that's a pretty good feel
0:27:13like keyboard oriental music haha
0:27:18Oh Lou look classic code
0:27:24tick-tock tick-tock the stores closed
0:27:26and i'm now holding something like the
0:27:28Thompson Twins maybe in the name of love
0:27:29and event planning and a record better
0:27:33record with kudzu on the cover that
0:27:35might be keyboard orientation she's more
0:27:37beautiful more oriented music
0:27:40and you know what I i did a bit the
0:27:42bullet and let's look at home I spun it
0:27:45i want to say i got at the same time
0:27:47secret police and other ball but I
0:27:49anyway my friends literally laughed at
0:27:52me because I did the thing that you hate
0:27:54I know you hate this you know you know
0:27:56what I did I did I did the thing i did
0:27:58the needle poppin right i would go for
0:28:00that
0:28:00oh yeah first 10 seconds of every track
0:28:02secondary track oh god I want to
0:28:04strangle you and you do that my friend
0:28:06is still was not out of the closet I
0:28:07went my god it's the country record and
0:28:13then you know the Merlin Merlin of the
0:28:1519th i guess that's probably for the
0:28:17best looking for the game a little late
0:28:18to the game but I'm but reckoning was
0:28:21the one that really really really
0:28:22grabbed me right
0:28:24remember me like a great keyboard
0:28:25country record oh my god if you love
0:28:27keyboard oriented music yeah sure Bob
0:28:32Wills Texas Playboy centerfold i murmur
0:28:36makes a ton more sense i tell my kids
0:28:38this I I say start with the chronic town
0:28:40jump to reckoning and then you're
0:28:42writing maybe former get the remastered
0:28:44version whole different world
0:28:46this is something you Yusei to merlins
0:28:47prices to homeless kids you know when
0:28:50you walk through a store asked if it's
0:28:53keyboard oriented he didn't pass that he
0:28:58was Jerry Lewis is still with us right
0:28:59Jerry Lewis ya juu of the two of us
0:29:02you are the one who would know the
0:29:04current status and whereabouts unknown
0:29:06exactly one person I can talk to you
0:29:08know this is you have exactly one
0:29:09problem Goldwater and go launcher only
0:29:12person I can talk to about general you
0:29:14talk to her about it but mushy mushy
0:29:16matches my shot-for-shot literally
0:29:18literally shot for shot and gentlemen
0:29:20I'm gonna dominate turn I'm gonna I'm
0:29:22gonna I'm gonna blow up the fourth wall
0:29:25here and speak to you directly
0:29:26no don't John that's really that's not
0:29:28yet please don't listen address our list
0:29:30directly and I'm gonna say that Merlin
0:29:33on the topic of Jerry Lewis is a thing
0:29:35to behold he should have a very loose
0:29:37centered podcast all to himself which is
0:29:40its multifaceted as well as deep
0:29:42I think that you you you love Jerry
0:29:45Lewis both earnestly and ironically
0:29:49I love the complexity of Jerry Lewis so
0:29:51I there's plenty of room for irony with
0:29:53the loving giving in the thing this is
0:29:55an industry that fears a genius but
0:29:57there's also there's also there's also
0:29:59the inescapable truth which is that you
0:30:01resemble Jerry Lewis okay you know what
0:30:04here's the deal here's the deal
0:30:05identification ok I'll you know what
0:30:08I'll see your discomfort and raise you
0:30:12an asshole
0:30:12from now on if you really want to get me
0:30:14with you when i go to the land
0:30:16uh-huh you can go Jim Carrey is for hear
0:30:18that one more time I'm gonna fuckin got
0:30:20somebody I'm gonna get it on my shoulder
0:30:22i'm doing your country movies on my
0:30:23shoulder heartworld still beating
0:30:25yeah oh yeah I don't you don't remind me
0:30:27of jim carrey you your face isn't as
0:30:29elastic I got a pretty elastic face I'm
0:30:31aging he's aging but Jerry Lewis useful
0:30:34some pupils Harrison thing to see this
0:30:36is that this is the high-level i'm going
0:30:38to give you the the elevator pitch and
0:30:40Jerry Lewis first of all stop what
0:30:41you're doing
0:30:42go not to a bookstore your computer and
0:30:44by the king of comedy by shawn levy
0:30:46which is the started it started so i'm
0:30:49gonna Lawson thing that Jarrod oh it
0:30:52started as it started as an authorized
0:30:54biography and quickly became totally
0:30:56unauthorized and it is about a man
0:30:59you'll hear you will hear about how he
0:31:01paid a bellboy to crush up as percocets
0:31:03you hear about him throwing a champagne
0:31:06bottle at a wall and saying i christen
0:31:08this hotel motherfucker you will hear
0:31:12how he kept a loaded gun it in the
0:31:15bathroom next to his drugs and his
0:31:17family found I won't go on only Robin
0:31:20understands me on you you know you need
0:31:22a gun in the bathroom i'm i'm with him a
0:31:24hundred percent there any good you know
0:31:26what this is but nevermind I'm not gonna
0:31:28ask you this I've learned with my
0:31:29friends who are here who crazy with the
0:31:31weapons not asking too many questions
0:31:32because there's a certain you need an
0:31:34element of surprise
0:31:36that's right you don't want to if
0:31:37somebody says like where we're all the
0:31:39guns in your house right and you go oh
0:31:42well let me tell you where I say always
0:31:44my worker porn you know you got its
0:31:46distributed it's like get a level your
0:31:48resources you know what I mean you don't
0:31:50want to come home and meet a guy who has
0:31:53been in my house for half an hour and
0:31:55collected all my jumps and he's holding
0:31:56the best gun and the restaurant the
0:31:58coffee table by having an abscessed gun
0:32:00and he's like welcome home
0:32:01John I'm a big fan of your podcast watch
0:32:04and see if you're wondering why I've
0:32:05called you all here i want to talk about
0:32:07the candles to him to come back to that
0:32:08in a lot of fun and the candle
0:32:10oh my god it's so creepy John if you
0:32:12have to be successful i move the candles
0:32:14all onto the piano piano it's creepy
0:32:17I get photographed for the thing
0:32:18creepier REM record or Jane we owe you
0:32:23shoot we drop some threads here any
0:32:24minute she seems cool facebook thing
0:32:26that's a non-starter for me Jim we've
0:32:29already done in the record store and
0:32:31just you know we can pretty much take us
0:32:33anywhere you want i I don't know every
0:32:35kind of lame have a feature on here i
0:32:37think you know part of what makes our
0:32:38online such a national sensation is that
0:32:40it you know whatever podcast blown yeah
0:32:44they really did lose me though I mean I
0:32:47that's why I've said they should be four
0:32:48bands because i really like one of those
0:32:50bands i'm ok with the second band and
0:32:54then you know i'm just glad they're
0:32:56successful I'm happy we talked about REM
0:32:57well we don't have to talk about Sloane
0:32:59for you talk about right now about him
0:33:02REM you know the the great insight that
0:33:04I had to get can strengthen the job done
0:33:06nothing wrong with that better is so
0:33:08much wrong with that you know that they
0:33:09just prolong his life but I get a new
0:33:13places to find fresh blood when peter
0:33:15buck was living here in Seattle I
0:33:17learned through my good friend shawn
0:33:19nelson who was recording some songs with
0:33:20him but the way that REM write songs is
0:33:24that Peter writes 600 songs and record
0:33:28them in his attic with baseline guitar
0:33:33mandolin and all that stuff he just
0:33:36makes he makes cds with 30 tracks on
0:33:39them every one of them sounds like a
0:33:41classic REM song truth and then he sends
0:33:44those cds to the other guys and michael
0:33:47stipe like pics which ones he likes to
0:33:50start you know writing his parts to he's
0:33:53always done that mean apparently on
0:33:55reckoning this is it
0:33:56well you have the remaster three
0:33:57releases I don't us you know I'm not
0:34:00that guy but I'm just telling you at it
0:34:03you know how murderer is such a
0:34:04headphones album most people don't
0:34:05realize how much of a headphones out and
0:34:07that is you're not even gonna believe
0:34:09Homer sounds in the new version and you
0:34:12know I have my ears are dead my ears are
0:34:13totally dead reckoning and also the
0:34:15bonus stuff on both the bonus concert on
0:34:17both are great but seriously you need to
0:34:19get this you know what I help you with
0:34:20that the classic liner from the from the
0:34:24recording of of murder was just like
0:34:26here's the it's the first band in
0:34:28history where all four guys keep saying
0:34:31can you turn me down
0:34:33you turn me down in the mix like I like
0:34:36my parts to be lower in the mix like the
0:34:38only band in history that all four guys
0:34:41were fighting to to be i can't i can't
0:34:43believe like it man
0:34:45bilberry got a lot of guys drawing he's
0:34:47like these of Ringo you know the guy
0:34:49she's so fucking solid and i don't know
0:34:52i mean some people say he has a limited
0:34:53palette but I just I love his drumming
0:34:55so much wrong with limited palette
0:34:57drumming well that's an electrical arc
0:34:59in the rain
0:35:00Oh My Christ you know what I'm going to
0:35:01move this car for other way to put it
0:35:03over here the music I listen to rain
0:35:05when people when people get that that
0:35:07bullshit about Ringo not being a great
0:35:09drummer like go listen to rain
0:35:11usually the people that don't like
0:35:12Ringo's drumming are large Lars Ulrich
0:35:16ask for incidentally megadeath fans
0:35:19oh I like making death there's nothing
0:35:21about megadeth to like nothing at all
0:35:24nothing but I don't think he's kind of
0:35:26interesting i do not think he's
0:35:28interested I think maybe death of the
0:35:29like the big four is like a little
0:35:31overrated
0:35:32I think they're gonna do I think they're
0:35:34a little I think they're little campy
0:35:35compared to the other stuff of the time
0:35:37here's what maybe that is megadeth is a
0:35:39jar of pre-mixed ketchup and mayonnaise
0:35:43expression is stressing well but but not
0:35:46mixed like master master day is not
0:35:49mixed together like so that its kind of
0:35:51light orange i'm talking about mixed
0:35:53together like that peanut butter and
0:35:54jelly that is kind of swirling epoxy
0:35:57with the captives ok it's like that he's
0:35:59like metal epoxy is terrible and you
0:36:02know what he's really nice sound like
0:36:04mayonnaise and ketchup for the not want
0:36:07anyone talking about five years he has
0:36:10been pretty money immediately into the
0:36:12jeans
0:36:13it's not really your official name for
0:36:14our Lord and Savior the gene that
0:36:16changes is that right because the sudden
0:36:18all the sudden I understand what the
0:36:19fuck you're talking so you're talking
0:36:20about
0:36:21yeah the jeans the chase okay
0:36:23Jesus the thing is that G there has been
0:36:25a process over the last 15 years
0:36:28yeah of really making Jesus more and
0:36:31more hip all the time you know like 50
0:36:33years ago
0:36:35rock and roll music was was still like
0:36:38like devil jiggaboo music I really
0:36:42really miss the John a three-parter I
0:36:44still want to talk about all of this now
0:36:46rock and roll is like now it's Jesus
0:36:48music certainly in seattle there's a lot
0:36:51of Jesus what mr. Zant about this much
0:36:53did we talk about it almost seems like a
0:36:56nice guy so we're unconscious from lack
0:36:58of oxygen looking up with him I'd like
0:37:00to meet that guy i will put you guys
0:37:01together no you're not calling him and
0:37:03keep me up to me up with Carmen you
0:37:05don't run girl name is no I i know well
0:37:08I just myself when I introduced myself
0:37:10what's up once a new pornographers show
0:37:12like my first introduction to John Doe I
0:37:15was a good rule how many how many sheets
0:37:18to the wind can you be have your victim
0:37:20huh
0:37:22he see no he's a very ECI he strikes me
0:37:26you know except he's getting crazy with
0:37:28the hockey on the Twitter and he's a
0:37:31very easy strings of you know not shy
0:37:33but he's not like the runaround go out
0:37:36and get out there kind of guy and I try
0:37:38to be my shine in fact I would even go
0:37:39that far
0:37:40okay well I'm doing my best like don't
0:37:42be creepy that I can do given that i am
0:37:45the world's may be single and giantism
0:37:47paano fan of all time and an old-school
0:37:50from the first note new pornographers
0:37:51fan and it went very very badly very
0:37:55badly so I don't even want to talk about
0:37:57that but well the thing about Carl
0:37:58Newman in my experience I mean I was
0:38:00always a I was always a massive fan she
0:38:03likes upon oh how can you not like my
0:38:06Sean ohh Sean legs upon you and is in
0:38:08Photoshop zapatos amazing everything
0:38:10there on Sub Pop Sean and and Eric
0:38:13course and former bass player the long
0:38:14winters are that they both introduced me
0:38:17to the pond and former i'm writing that
0:38:19town but in any case it's not know that
0:38:21I didn't you know Carl was like I like a
0:38:25hero and then after a show one time we
0:38:28played it we played in New York
0:38:29after-show nabil our drummer was like oh
0:38:33yeah I was just hanging out with their
0:38:34Carl Newman
0:38:35sounds like he was a seal-a-meal used to
0:38:39have a record store and now runs a label
0:38:41and run the local feels like I was just
0:38:43hanging out the problem i was like he
0:38:44was here and he was like oh yeah yeah
0:38:46he's a he's a long winters fan of the
0:38:49show as we're hanging out afterwards and
0:38:52I was like what
0:38:53why didn't you come get me and he was
0:38:55like oh I don't know just hanging out
0:38:57together with him im gonna be and I
0:39:00don't think about these things when had
0:39:01some dinner even and I was like oh you
0:39:04bastard so I knew that he liked the long
0:39:06winters and that he had seen us play and
0:39:09so the next time we were standing
0:39:10together as we had done before kind of
0:39:12standing backstage at a rock show
0:39:14I kinda cycled over to him like hey
0:39:17how's it going i'm john you know and
0:39:19he's like oh you know and yet didn't
0:39:24know you're in the pail
0:39:26yeah i mean he knew who I was yesterday
0:39:28as i say he has seen me play right but
0:39:31there was that there was that feeling of
0:39:35like so I so yummy
0:39:39here we are right standing next to each
0:39:41other now and we know each other and
0:39:44know each other's music so it's okay for
0:39:48me to say hey I really like that is
0:39:53Sylvia hotels only did I really like
0:39:55that that record you made and it
0:39:59immediately went completely sideways
0:40:01because he was just like oh thanks and
0:40:05kind of like um and uh really so was it
0:40:10awkward
0:40:11well only because i made it awkward like
0:40:15he wasn't being awkward he was being
0:40:16normal
0:40:17I was being all right you know what John
0:40:19I retract my request i already feel bad
0:40:21about asking i don't wanna freak that
0:40:22guy out no but this is the thing so
0:40:24overtime now we have seen each other
0:40:26multiple times we communicate via email
0:40:29we so to tweet back and forth and it
0:40:32just is
0:40:33it's just one of those things where you
0:40:35don't you cannot you can't assign up to
0:40:38him and and expect him to
0:40:40um yeah he's not going to like he's like
0:40:44a cat right get away from to come to you
0:40:46yeah exactly he's not going to say oh my
0:40:48god
0:40:49hi a superfan you know car parts boom
0:40:52because he's just he's you know he's shy
0:40:55Shier he's on the gyre end of the
0:40:57spectrum and but I find him
0:41:00amazing songwriter and a super super
0:41:03super get incredible songwriter any and
0:41:05they have thumb if you can get
0:41:06underneath you something I like to but
0:41:08their version of that jimmy webb orange
0:41:10arrow song flipside of BW of the
0:41:14wraparound shades is date somebody out
0:41:17there might be the same dude who linked
0:41:19to all those up they did like a whole
0:41:23session of watching web it up like
0:41:25backrack David songs and you know and
0:41:28they're not even doing that whole would
0:41:29just get background David bacharach by
0:41:32however backhaul David oh IC ok did you
0:41:35think I meant was that you think it's in
0:41:37the Jewish thing and I thought we were
0:41:39doing a yoga thing ever and entities
0:41:43walk on by will understand that joke not
0:41:49a fan of the boxset bitch I got
0:41:52back-to-back box set up the last one to
0:41:58be anyway I cut you out how did how did
0:42:00you just get reverb on your voice almost
0:42:0270 you step back from the my content
0:42:04chris wallace thing you know chamber
0:42:07yeah no I know it's because i have great
0:42:08mic skills unitronic that's why it's so
0:42:10over driven when I do what happens if I
0:42:12back off from my mic that do i get
0:42:14reverb oh my car parts
0:42:19I'm sorry I cut yeah I'm really sorry I
0:42:22cut off the Skycam by the way I'll never
0:42:23do that again I'm sorry okay so you got
0:42:25a little shit for cutting off the skype
0:42:27gym i saw on the internet people were
0:42:29saying why did you cut off the scamp
0:42:30with listeners were mad your girlfriend
0:42:32the other 1pm so I cut you off before
0:42:35Carl Newman you and was posting me man
0:42:39god this is a star fucky 00 p Buck it
0:42:43buck
0:42:44yeah what about people oh I've heard I
0:42:47heard a pic slide I heard don't make me
0:42:50get that out what does car parts is in
0:42:52is in a or c what sit in car parts and I
0:42:55learned it all the way through one time
0:42:56in d i think ii
0:42:59that first half second of that song ahh
0:43:07takes the win do the beginning of a
0:43:10relationship with a news is never see it
0:43:15coming you don't see it coming that's
0:43:16the thing about pop music you never see
0:43:17it coming and then poof there it is
0:43:19let's see another some songs you can
0:43:20never create this without it being
0:43:24stupid but that song
0:43:27Oh Mother of God
0:43:30hello its me I there's some people songs
0:43:34like this but where there's the little
0:43:36like you know what I mean if you tried
0:43:37to do this would be really stupid but
0:43:40when you've got the little like before
0:43:41the song thing you know you remember the
0:43:43hidden track deal my band always do this
0:43:45and was totally stupid
0:43:46remember the nineties thing of always
0:43:47having a hidden track course you have
0:43:49never hidden it was so played out now
0:43:51wait a minute now you would go with the
0:43:52dog in your dad singing that's that is a
0:43:54hidden track
0:43:55well here's the problem with that truck
0:43:56great song so we needed 10 songs for the
0:43:59first record to fulfill 240 lat bar soup
0:44:03yeah and i only had mine is the Josh
0:44:05what's up these nine songs are gonna
0:44:08work it doesn't kids need to ya mean a
0:44:11cover song about a shack see and I had
0:44:13nine songs and and it was plenty long
0:44:16enough record it could have been nine
0:44:17songs but we needed 10 song and this
0:44:20this song a little grass shack was the
0:44:23song my dad used to sing to me when I
0:44:24was a little kid and he's saying it to
0:44:27my whole life when we would 11 my dad
0:44:29and I were driving in the car if we were
0:44:32driving for very long one of us would
0:44:33start singing and the other one would
0:44:34take the harmony parts and we would sing
0:44:35the little grass shack so I'm like well
0:44:38I don't have a tenth song I mean I did
0:44:40but I didn't have one that I i was ready
0:44:42to record and and so we did little grass
0:44:46shack well then it turns out i thought
0:44:48that this song was just some song that
0:44:50that's the slaves together i just really
0:44:54is like pete seeger hurt nobody
0:44:56it is it is a song but still was under
0:44:59copyright is written by somebody and the
0:45:01sheet music was still out there and and
0:45:03it was owned by one of the big music
0:45:06publishers you know
0:45:07sony BMG year which you get asked apt
0:45:10well no because we put it on the record
0:45:13and just didn't mention that it was on
0:45:17the record like there's not there's only
0:45:20nine songs technically on that record
0:45:22the tenth song isn't really hidden
0:45:24because it's it's it's not tap to have
0:45:26it be a truly hidden track on her on a
0:45:2890 style pop record their needs to be 27
0:45:33minutes of silence
0:45:34yeah what so it's comes on as a surprise
0:45:36nah lets her back
0:45:43what was the record it was there was the
0:45:45one that had select 17 minutes before I
0:45:47went into the it might have nothing
0:45:48which wasn't Michelle shocked door or
0:45:51maybe a indigo girls there was one of
0:45:53those records that had a hidden track
0:45:54John we're coming up with these
0:45:56shell-shocked or George Winston like hum
0:45:59i don't have stand over the girls how
0:46:01are the leaders like us keep charity 87
0:46:05or something like that x and and and
0:46:07we're all baked and taken out and
0:46:10reducing the michelle shocked you don't
0:46:12like you did
0:46:13uh-huh like you did can provide around
0:46:15the campfire an elastic Resnick me were
0:46:17listening to you know he got a fast car
0:46:20tracy chapman all that that was the time
0:46:23when you could be a dude and listen to
0:46:25you girls really fast car right now all
0:46:28sides
0:46:29to say having to see the doctor of this
0:46:40in identity that's a total abuse of the
0:46:43DC source for I should be the fucking
0:46:45mayor of DC source for that that music
0:46:50really you were high and sleeping in a
0:46:51car in Alaska and listening to listening
0:46:53to the the lesbian song about the car i
0:46:56was high and sleeping with a girl who
0:46:58packed the end this was before girls
0:47:00like turning into Mickey Rooney route
0:47:04before girls relentlessly shaved all the
0:47:06hair off of themselves you go
0:47:09this is when girls were like you know
0:47:10natural girls and they do they were like
0:47:13boys basically but with girl part yeah I
0:47:15got a Japanese shrub situation
0:47:17yeah and we would you know you'd sleep
0:47:18with each other and listen to lesbian
0:47:20guitar music hey Dad the eighties
0:47:22anywhere and so we fall asleep or we're
0:47:25not a hundred percent of sleep or just
0:47:27like ninety-eight percent of sleep and
0:47:30baked that the being baked was taking
0:47:32care of the last 2% of awakeness who and
0:47:35then this this record with the 17
0:47:38minutes of silence like another song
0:47:40comes on I don't think it was Michelle
0:47:42shot something up another song comes on
0:47:44we both like jump up out of bed because
0:47:47it was you know it's kind of cranked and
0:47:49and last thing we were expecting jump
0:47:52about a bit like into into combat pose
0:47:54while you're high
0:47:56yeah just like haha and then it turned
0:47:59out it was it was a secret trackpad to
0:48:02the songs might be baked and going to
0:48:03sleep in college for me i don't i think
0:48:06it was i want to say i don't know by one
0:48:09of the one of the replacement songs i'm
0:48:11pleased to me but it's a song where you
0:48:12hear this like it here this like my
0:48:16coming out of like stereo right and look
0:48:17and there's a church song it does the
0:48:20same thing even more so to get almost
0:48:22with you it's but it-it-it the things i
0:48:25listen to record every night is you
0:48:27never go to sleep records
0:48:30well I now that's not how you listen to
0:48:31music harlem yeah I was probably was
0:48:34that was so so was the lady here the
0:48:35head you listening to
0:48:37yeah yeah I went through a phase where
0:48:38my roommate was having sex with his
0:48:41girlfriend really loud
0:48:42and I had to put on music to drown them
0:48:46out and in that case might go to sleep
0:48:48record was Lovelace by so my bloody
0:48:52Valentine's to catch I would just crank
0:48:57that LOL you're fighting that I was
0:48:59doing well I wasn't fighting back until
0:49:02he climbed out of his loft which was you
0:49:06know we lived in a huge warehouse and
0:49:09there were no walls so he was at the
0:49:11other end of this house so this is sick
0:49:14she sound that going around your sound
0:49:16echoing around yeah it was terrible we
0:49:17were just we were competing over hate
0:49:19loud sex we were we were creating you're
0:49:22creating like a sound apocalypse 20 feet
0:49:25above the ground and 30 feet from either
0:49:28of us there was this place where the
0:49:29sound meshed but he would climb down you
0:49:32could hear him coming down the ladder
0:49:33and walk over and turned down my bloody
0:49:36valentine because it was it was
0:49:39interfering with like the lovemaking he
0:49:41was trying to do
0:49:42ironically enough when you sleep and
0:49:44really really laughs and then he's got
0:49:46back up the ladder conquering and I'd
0:49:48wait until he was all the way up the
0:49:49ladder and back in bed and you could
0:49:51hear them start giggling canoodling and
0:49:54all that shit things to do and then i
0:49:55would get up and comfort out to the
0:49:57stereo and crank it all the way back up
0:50:01again and then go back to my little bed
0:50:02and he come down the stairs and he would
0:50:04never come over come all the way around
0:50:06to my better be like fuck you man you
0:50:09know you just turn the stereo down again
0:50:11and then I had some I had like a Kip
0:50:14Winger record some great i'm just a tip
0:50:17i found on the street that I would that
0:50:19was my like nuclear option I would put
0:50:22that in at that
0:50:23what is that this is the shaggs maybe
0:50:25like the first underground good i had on
0:50:27the head an extra you're saying a pretty
0:50:29nice girl i think she had the guy one of
0:50:30those little like four-day crushes on
0:50:33not to get on somebody in college she
0:50:34had like me a little bit and she we both
0:50:37really like is like that reminds me
0:50:39Jim Carrey mm I don't like Jim Carrey
0:50:42then I look like how did you look like
0:50:44the guy from princess bride
0:50:47oh yeah i'll combine with Michael Palin
0:50:49like early Dave pirner and somebody with
0:50:52a restraining order
0:50:53they have her give her the cartoon song
0:50:55that used to be really good for the
0:50:56everybody decided everything ready in
0:50:58Minnesota eventually they start out
0:51:00wanting to selling hüsker dü and the
0:51:02end up fucking up sounding like they're
0:51:03the bad not bad but the later
0:51:05replacements you know that
0:51:07yeah but look at the look at the the
0:51:09heroine guy with their with an
0:51:10underwriter like he started out this the
0:51:12you using the first you Lemonheads
0:51:13records their day I know from history do
0:51:16but that that clam dip another device
0:51:18that's a great price great record oh
0:51:20yeah and you know the crossover one that
0:51:21at Stacy and produced this is literally
0:51:23the most boring podcast has ever been
0:51:24done except for maybe two people and
0:51:27it's musicians don't listen to us but
0:51:30the one now hang time and i'll put the
0:51:33video for cartoon it's got there there
0:51:34are there are three songs i started a
0:51:37band in college to play three songs to
0:51:39play all summer girls by big star
0:51:41cartoon yeah by soul asylum and that's
0:51:45when I reach for my revolver by mission
0:51:46of burma that's the three songs that
0:51:48made me want to start my first band once
0:51:50you play those three songs why did you
0:51:52keep why did you guys keep playing
0:51:54together
0:51:54I know what we were using your songs now
0:51:57but seriously what we get to that what
0:51:59we did to couldn't just tell you by todd
0:52:01rundgren I should be in a Turkish
0:52:03fucking prison for the rest of my life
0:52:04for many reasons again also don't I was
0:52:08personally Keller to scott miller i was
0:52:10sitting in a cafe in like 1991 and
0:52:13that's so much follow john and i was
0:52:15looking I i felt like i was looking good
0:52:17that day I comb my hair and I had on a
0:52:20sweater or something I was sitting here
0:52:22drinking coffee and this was i was still
0:52:24at the age where is really trying to
0:52:26figure out I knew that guys picked up
0:52:30girls
0:52:31I understood that this happened right it
0:52:34wasn't like my experience of dating
0:52:36girls was that we had a class together
0:52:38and she sat next to me in the class and
0:52:40then pretty soon we we we were going out
0:52:43but I knew that there are right there is
0:52:46a process but she knew there are people
0:52:47that like I do their guys that walked up
0:52:49to girls in bars and cafes and then they
0:52:52were like 20 minutes later they were
0:52:54ripping each others clothes off back in
0:52:56one of their little shitty apartments
0:52:58and I was like I will i would like to be
0:52:59one of those guys i would like to try
0:53:01this out
0:53:02and so I was sitting in the cafe was
0:53:03drinking coffee and there's this girl
0:53:05sitting hadn't had a neighboring table
0:53:08and all she's she's she's really pretty
0:53:12she's got she's wearing glasses since
0:53:14dark curly hair
0:53:16she's also may be wearing a sweater with
0:53:18honors for juices and that right
0:53:20I like Jewish girls and she was Jewish
0:53:23enough that it but you called Jewesses
0:53:25is that I don't use Jewess now know hehe
0:53:31eeprom in Hebrew mine is remind ya right
0:53:35and see what's up to her so I so I'm
0:53:39like and this was very hard for me to do
0:53:41to like just cold call somebody
0:53:44hi good cold calling the Jewish i'd like
0:53:47i'd like to talk to you about your
0:53:49insurance or whatever and I you know I
0:53:51kind of like lean over and say that she
0:53:54might have had headphones on and my
0:53:56opening game but might have been ashamed
0:53:59to say what are you listening to God
0:54:02Almighty was that can I sniff your
0:54:04panties it was just this bad you know
0:54:06and she responds positively like oh hi
0:54:11you know I'm listening to solo style
0:54:13haha
0:54:14and when is for uses 91 okay and I said
0:54:20oh soul asylum
0:54:22I know about soul asylum and started to
0:54:25talk to her about soul asylum and we you
0:54:28know what I Cannock school my chair over
0:54:31and pretty soon i'm sitting at her table
0:54:32and we're talking and I am so excited
0:54:37that this girl is like receptive to my
0:54:40to my you know my entree that i'm just
0:54:49i'm giving her everything right I'm
0:54:51giving her the shotgun blast like of
0:54:53everything I know and I think I start to
0:54:57perspire because I'm like am I doing
0:55:00this right is this working
0:55:01yeah our do you like me edge should
0:55:04should we go
0:55:07are you married would you like to be
0:55:09married and after about 20 minutes
0:55:13she said this is something I this is
0:55:16something I still I i still am ashamed
0:55:19she she starts putting her books in her
0:55:22bag and she leans in kind of clothes and
0:55:27with a kind of rye like almost ani
0:55:30difranco look on her face she says I I
0:55:37think you're just I think you're just
0:55:38trying to our and she put her stuff in
0:55:44her bag and like i said bye and like
0:55:48walks out you're so close you are so
0:55:50you're on the wire between almost the
0:55:52other side
0:55:53i SAT there like absolutely certain
0:55:56first of all in this crowded cafe there
0:55:58were you know 90 people in this place
0:56:00espresso machines going music playing I
0:56:03was certain that everyone in the room
0:56:04had heard it had heard the line like as
0:56:07if it had gone out over the public
0:56:09address system and and and of course
0:56:13realized bathed in shame that i had been
0:56:15trying way too hard and about the same
0:56:19times asking myself I thought that
0:56:22trying was about the trial was what you
0:56:25wanted her with a that's what people was
0:56:27like that you're trying i don't and i
0:56:30immediately I think stop trying and
0:56:33didn't try again for 14 years old you
0:56:37get in the interim
0:56:38well smoke pot for the first four and
0:56:43then for the next ten i just set their
0:56:46sneering sat in the corner sneering and
0:56:49checking checking the closet door every
0:56:52every minute have to make sure that knob
0:56:54is still locked mr. is to wash of
0:56:56occasionally changing guitar strings and
0:56:59appearing in court sneer sneer people
0:57:02come over and say hi is this seat taken
0:57:04and go you know what fuck soul asylum
0:57:06you okay
0:57:08what you doing horse you rode in on
0:57:12and then maybe like oh good that's all
0:57:15sound record what fuck you and the horse
0:57:18you rode his only hit the horse there in
0:57:19on pretty close to it yeah
0:57:21huh it's it's a tragic tale one of many
0:57:25that's an awesome unless I hate those
0:57:26stories I yeah yeah you know i wish i
0:57:29wish you know it's one such a porcupine
0:57:32one of my one of my room on my December
0:57:34resolutions to stop talking about what
0:57:35I've learned big because it's nobody
0:57:37fucking cares you know but you know
0:57:40it'sit's this is the problem John this
0:57:41is the false dilemma because on the one
0:57:43hand every douchebag guy on the one hand
0:57:45thanks like me you start out with a very
0:57:48earnest and I think nice thing which is
0:57:50like I tell girls that they're nice and
0:57:53i like them they will like me which in
0:57:55retrospect is incredibly creepy a total
0:57:57turn off their horses on the other end
0:57:58you get the fucking you know seduction
0:58:00community dickheads
0:58:02yeah which is you know which is like you
0:58:04know I think it's time would say it's
0:58:06date-rape with a persuasive theory you
0:58:07know it's like a lot of big big house
0:58:10and nose rooms
0:58:11you said the r-word i know we we we've
0:58:16been taken to task but one on the on
0:58:19some internet comment pages
0:58:22yeah for light of rape
0:58:25oh I'm sorry I'm sorry well no no in
0:58:28this case i'm not i'm certainly not when
0:58:29I say I ok but my position is that we
0:58:33have never made light of rape
0:58:34no I'm very upset about this very upset
0:58:38about this because you because we were
0:58:39our podcast was posted on metafilter yes
0:58:42we know I saw the comments on a comment
0:58:44was like I can't listen to this even
0:58:46though I love both these guys and I
0:58:47think it's really funny because they
0:58:48made a joke about rape ya know I made a
0:58:51joke about rape jokes which is entirely
0:58:52different matter
0:58:53so matters like you understand we were
0:58:55making a joke about rape he didn't
0:58:57respond to John no cackling responding
0:59:00know i know i know enough i know enough
0:59:02not to respond i just don't know enough
0:59:03not to read the things is your problem
0:59:05these team
0:59:06I you know I was your anything honesty I
0:59:08got some coffee and unfortunately my
0:59:11refrigerator at the government has some
0:59:12meat going bad
0:59:13we talked about that I i was urinating
0:59:15occurred to me that I would never
0:59:17you're John Roderick right you know what
0:59:19I mean on the I can't think of a
0:59:22sidekick but you know I'm not
0:59:25is it really that gay yeah I don't know
0:59:28not robbing a Cato know but see that's
0:59:32the problem can you gonna ping pong
0:59:33again you can't do that i was urinating
0:59:35and occurred to me that I would never
0:59:37understand i will do nothing to impinge
0:59:39on what you have to share with people on
0:59:40how you help people but if I were going
0:59:42to state rules and I'm not and I hate
0:59:44talking about the thing i'm doing wrong
0:59:45doing it i would say i would say no
0:59:46computers
0:59:47I no politics no addressing the audience
0:59:50and no discussing people's response but
0:59:52not broken all of those which is
0:59:54seriously ping pong in a lot of ways on
0:59:56this podcast we have broken all the
0:59:58Masons rules and then once we
0:59:58Masons rules and then once we
1:00:00once they want to do it again an hour
1:00:01later and now it's not a serious role
1:00:03that I've got I doubt this took me a
1:00:05long time to learn i'm sorry i was not
1:00:06i'm talking about how creepy i think i'm
1:00:09not encouraging Cape i'm encouraging
1:00:11that we say what these fucking seduction
1:00:14community douche bags are well the thing
1:00:16about seduction is that it is in
1:00:18position in the community it's not
1:00:19seduction to community it's more about
1:00:21the forum the seduction it's more about
1:00:23the you know leveling up
1:00:25yeah yeah anyway let's not get into that
1:00:27but here's my rule my room after year
1:00:29and again one of my rules is this
1:00:32be careful where you met that person
1:00:34this is going through my head the entire
1:00:37time I was thinking about the nose
1:00:38before after never mind that you are you
1:00:40purchase this was during nevermind
1:00:44this is like fall it was simultaneous
1:00:46sweater weather was a sweater weather
1:00:48sweater weather so we're talking about
1:00:49nevermind and 10 by program has been
1:00:52released and wagon desk they have not
1:00:54swept the nation yet how was that man
1:00:58that lasts like the pregnant moment
1:01:00after that summer like I just didn't
1:01:04know where to turn there are so many
1:01:04records i loved oh my god that was an
1:01:06amazing time that wasn't you know
1:01:07there's a golden age of indie rock maybe
1:01:09not for the kind of shit you listen to
1:01:10but for me I think of it like is this
1:01:12mad or merge era but there is this
1:01:14period from about i want to say pavement
1:01:17was your very heavy yeah but for me too
1:01:19but also like god this is so fucking
1:01:21boring
1:01:21it's really boring wonder we start
1:01:23talking what we're like nobody cares
1:01:24about music John everything record store
1:01:26people there are even record stores
1:01:28running horse people want to talk about
1:01:29facebook and vampire shows here's my
1:01:32rule is not you like guided by voices we
1:01:34couldn't we could have just said that I
1:01:36don't know why this is such a problem
1:01:37for you to like sliding out of voices I
1:01:39know you're not a fan
1:01:40did you watch the video to watch the
1:01:41video to watch the video i watched the
1:01:43vid what you think it's fine but stick
1:01:46of his expression it's fine okay little
1:01:51shack I'm gonna find out the proven to
1:01:53that when we land I give up
1:01:55Amy and I see not any man i'm gonna keep
1:01:58a distance I know she'll never like
1:01:59really hoping this thing we've learned i
1:02:01would strike up a kind of friendship see
1:02:03that one up for me that's a level-two I
1:02:05mean to me that would be hard frenching
1:02:07and I'd stop it there because that's
1:02:08that's getting John you know what I
1:02:10don't encourage your ping-pong
1:02:11doc here's the rule the rule is be
1:02:13careful where you met somebody yeah okay
1:02:15don't explain that because I don't like
1:02:17the sound ok well there's that there i
1:02:19think there's there's once again you
1:02:21know me you know there's two kinds of
1:02:23people and so there's two parts to this
1:02:28right now right you inspire people to
1:02:30parts ok and you know the stories were
1:02:32you know the story of how i met my lady
1:02:33right you know the story you were in
1:02:36line at a pharmacy getting your
1:02:38description field getting some fashion
1:02:40contact lens holders head
1:02:42yeah i was there i wrote about myself a
1:02:45link to this for our for our anniversary
1:02:46right about this but I wear to think of
1:02:50fellow show and so I remember this whole
1:02:52story your actual yeah and-and-and we
1:02:56were introduced by a mutual friend who
1:02:58to gas lighted desolate gas like i was
1:03:01saying saying to my wife
1:03:03oh you gotta meet this guy he really
1:03:04wants to meet usual and you saying to me
1:03:06you got to meet my friend she's really
1:03:08interested in money for like that is to
1:03:09do this to me all the time with the
1:03:11girls the girls know your cousin really
1:03:14wants to play on your new record i'd say
1:03:18oh alright and then and then I'd call
1:03:21her up and be like sorry I never asked
1:03:23John because I know I'm not I i know
1:03:25that i know i know that i'm no I Scott
1:03:27McCoy but I'm just saying if you ever
1:03:29want me to do nothing in a studio i
1:03:31would love to be there isn't that
1:03:32awkward though bring the bring up the
1:03:34track us with some more Merlin in there
1:03:36let me out like Jim Carrey me just one
1:03:40here knows I have allergies right now
1:03:43really bad i tried taking some herbs for
1:03:44it maybe nauseated
1:03:47where have I must telephone you come
1:03:49back to my mind when you're done with
1:03:50the to come back don't talk about my
1:03:52rule i wanna talk about mandolins don't
1:03:54know what's going on the rules because
1:03:55the rules when I got okay listen we're
1:03:56running running along here I've got
1:03:58mandolins I've got my rule I've got your
1:04:00candles planet telex and scott miller ok
1:04:04ok here's my rule
1:04:06you got to be careful where you met him
1:04:08ok then be careful where you met someone
1:04:10my wife this is should never have worked
1:04:11out i'm sorry about my allergies are not
1:04:13actually cooked up
1:04:14I don't you how did how is that possible
1:04:16that you meet somebody that you that
1:04:17you're with you this lesson this is the
1:04:19exception that proves the rule whatever
1:04:21the fuck that means i stopped understand
1:04:22that means we're in a bar
1:04:24uh what we've been drinking this is her
1:04:27one at the time her favorite band
1:04:28thinking fellers and I we made out
1:04:34we grabbed your started making out in a
1:04:36bar which I found the show
1:04:38yes which I did once ever wow she got my
1:04:41back we went home three weeks later she
1:04:43moved in I got the kid or whatever so
1:04:46this is totally breaks the rule in a lot
1:04:48of ways in an amazing night I not as big
1:04:50a hickey fellers panel like the turtle
1:04:52song but i'm not into it she is right in
1:04:56front of the tortoise flu you see now
1:04:58that have been opposed to show it
1:04:59wouldn't worked out because ken
1:05:01stringfellow would've taken her back to
1:05:03his coffin
1:05:04yeah remember that let's complete talk
1:05:05tonight about that night we met this
1:05:06because you remember can insisted on
1:05:08driving in the car with my wife while i
1:05:10drive with you in the van
1:05:12absolutely and I was thinking the whole
1:05:13time I hope he doesn't put spiders in
1:05:15her haha
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1:05:20fine to stop right there
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