Roderick on the Line

Ep. 08: "The Reptilian Behind the Long Pig Mask"


00:00:00   hello hi John how are you hi Merlin [TS]

00:00:09   Merlin Mann six minutes six minutes six [TS]

00:00:19   minutes John rock here [TS]

00:00:21   nothing i guess i missed your voice I'll [TS]

00:00:24   god i miss yours too I kind of make a [TS]

00:00:25   note here I get more homework I don't [TS]

00:00:27   prepare for msu to get out that you [TS]

00:00:30   don't prepare hm i just opened a whole [TS]

00:00:33   new thing index cards never written [TS]

00:00:35   anything down for today somebody ask me [TS]

00:00:37   does he'll use the index cards back said [TS]

00:00:40   does you really use index cards really [TS]

00:00:45   does this Stephen Hawking really need to [TS]

00:00:48   talk like that is that just to get laid [TS]

00:00:52   oh that that wall in your office which [TS]

00:00:55   is just 10,000 index cards all taped to [TS]

00:00:59   the wall with posted notes and other [TS]

00:01:02   gear on a whiteboard and it's a string [TS]

00:01:05   with different colored string [TS]

00:01:07   represented really old ships [TS]

00:01:09   yeah hence the tensile very distracting [TS]

00:01:12   that's the other thing is you see it on [TS]

00:01:13   the seat blowing through a park and you [TS]

00:01:15   can't you have to chase it you have to [TS]

00:01:18   have it here see that American Beauty [TS]

00:01:20   movie remember that i did see it i [TS]

00:01:23   resisted seeing it and then and then had [TS]

00:01:26   to cave because it was all anybody was [TS]

00:01:29   talking about at the time and having [TS]

00:01:31   seen it I realized I was right [TS]

00:01:33   apparently I saw it on the ice on a date [TS]

00:01:36   and I I remember thinking oh this is [TS]

00:01:39   really really good and then the more I [TS]

00:01:41   thought about it the less i thought was [TS]

00:01:42   really great then i saw it again and [TS]

00:01:45   it's as well as movies like movies I [TS]

00:01:47   watched in college like I don't incur [TS]

00:01:50   the wrath here but like like some burn [TS]

00:01:53   films where it seemed very important or [TS]

00:01:55   Kenneth Anger like things i watch the [TS]

00:01:57   time who this is very important not to [TS]

00:01:59   buy my own that was a little silly [TS]

00:02:01   yeah it felt like a donnie darko to me [TS]

00:02:05   oh you're not a dark oh no I but Donnie [TS]

00:02:08   Darko I liked but Donnie Darko didn't [TS]

00:02:11   well Donnie Darko didn't have to [TS]

00:02:13   spacey in it i find it very hard to to [TS]

00:02:17   put Kevin Spacey and a very important [TS]

00:02:20   film in the same on the same [TS]

00:02:22   three-by-five notecard Oh rewind year [TS]

00:02:26   and you're not press facie it's not that [TS]

00:02:29   I'm not pro spacey it's just that Kevin [TS]

00:02:31   Spacey as a movie star not an artiste 01 [TS]

00:02:37   write that down [TS]

00:02:38   it's good to come back to that got an [TS]

00:02:40   auteur ok that's an extra extra at the [TS]

00:02:42   end artiste is alright yeah next to you [TS]

00:02:46   at the end of parties and actually while [TS]

00:02:48   you're at it put an extra at the end of [TS]

00:02:49   our tour to her astray isn't that that [TS]

00:02:53   techno band that plays powerbooks that's [TS]

00:02:55   not to actually share or share Auto [TS]

00:02:57   share what they called a tourĂ© is a guy [TS]

00:03:00   actually who lives up here is a sous [TS]

00:03:02   chef at a restaurant I go to a lot i [TS]

00:03:04   think that you think that movie a4a [TS]

00:03:06   wrath of God which we never did round [TS]

00:03:08   back to actually make another pot and [TS]

00:03:10   make another note about that you're [TS]

00:03:12   playing cards one that's of God fresh [TS]

00:03:14   pack of 100 know what was the other [TS]

00:03:16   thing then there's another term like [TS]

00:03:18   that confuses me I have to remember it [TS]

00:03:22   on our tour operator I see what you're [TS]

00:03:25   saying [TS]

00:03:26   soccer yeah soccer yeah oh yeah oh that [TS]

00:03:30   you know I'm saying that and Huck it's [TS]

00:03:32   not not a adult a trucker teacher [TS]

00:03:35   ultra-reliable following went there a [TS]

00:03:38   lot of bands coming out like Iceland and [TS]

00:03:40   Finland with funny names orders a busy [TS]

00:03:43   it is this is a band [TS]

00:03:46   yeah well you know Ben's from Iceland [TS]

00:03:48   and Finland always have funny names it [TS]

00:03:50   was just that the rest of us weren't [TS]

00:03:51   aware of them did they know they were [TS]

00:03:53   silly [TS]

00:03:54   well have you met many people from [TS]

00:03:56   Iceland I i'm starting to think it's a [TS]

00:03:59   trying to get might be some kind of a [TS]

00:04:00   when I caught a collective hysterical [TS]

00:04:03   like what's called let's go like when [TS]

00:04:06   everybody thinks they have pox or [TS]

00:04:07   believes in orgasms for women like with [TS]

00:04:09   everything where it turns out that it's [TS]

00:04:10   it's something that we mostly it wasn't [TS]

00:04:13   real [TS]

00:04:13   right so it's the collective unconscious [TS]

00:04:15   all all all freaking us out yes I don't [TS]

00:04:18   kinda like that that whole tulip thing [TS]

00:04:19   but Iceland does exist and the people [TS]

00:04:23   there do believe in ohms [TS]

00:04:25   and they they do you think they'd let [TS]

00:04:29   you know more even more than believing [TS]

00:04:30   in ohms people in Iceland believe in [TS]

00:04:32   cute and when you meet them in real life [TS]

00:04:37   they have that kind of they have that [TS]

00:04:39   Scandinavian like standoffishness that [TS]

00:04:41   makes you think like oh these people are [TS]

00:04:43   super deep right but then when they [TS]

00:04:47   start talking about gnomes and you [TS]

00:04:49   realize oh no they're just scandinavian [TS]

00:04:52   Pope's so it [TS]

00:04:57   hmm it yeah I might need to get some [TS]

00:05:00   more color thread i got a lot [TS]

00:05:02   ok so and it was was who is it Eric the [TS]

00:05:05   Red somebody went up there and said I'm [TS]

00:05:06   gonna fuck with everybody because i'm [TS]

00:05:08   going to call the one that's nice i see [TS]

00:05:10   and I'm gonna call the one that's I see [TS]

00:05:13   green and did that work did that really [TS]

00:05:14   work [TS]

00:05:15   absolutely did people i think you know [TS]

00:05:17   even when I was a kid into the Greenland [TS]

00:05:19   sounded nice and Iceland sounded [TS]

00:05:21   terrible get precisely precisely exactly [TS]

00:05:23   the same thing would be kind of like me [TS]

00:05:24   and like when the when the Dutch Holland [TS]

00:05:27   people the ones that it's that speaker [TS]

00:05:29   the holidays the holidays it's like when [TS]

00:05:32   they named it done nice York things do [TS]

00:05:35   nice nice answer damn yeah New Amsterdam [TS]

00:05:39   is slightly change it i can't say that [TS]

00:05:41   again i slam you get green land and out [TS]

00:05:43   what is back now we can google it and [TS]

00:05:45   say alright [TS]

00:05:47   iceland screen and Greenland's ice but [TS]

00:05:48   back in the old days you know you know [TS]

00:05:50   you're standing at the at the port in [TS]

00:05:53   manchester and you had to go on one boat [TS]

00:05:55   all right at the only wikipedia was at [TS]

00:05:58   the Library of Alexandria which I think [TS]

00:05:59   burned down sometimes without twenties [TS]

00:06:01   thirties actually it was burned and then [TS]

00:06:03   there was an earthquake and uh and then [TS]

00:06:05   it sank into the ocean now is that [TS]

00:06:07   different from the Hanging Gardens of [TS]

00:06:08   Babylon had a cure song [TS]

00:06:09   well both of those things well the [TS]

00:06:11   Hanging Gardens of Babylon are actually [TS]

00:06:12   one of the seven ancient wonders of the [TS]

00:06:14   world now just are you positive that [TS]

00:06:16   they exist is as if you check this did [TS]

00:06:18   you fact check the the hanging i'm [TS]

00:06:20   pretty sure i'm going to go on record [TS]

00:06:22   and say that the Hanging Gardens of [TS]

00:06:24   Babylon were real [TS]

00:06:26   ok the library at Alexandria also pretty [TS]

00:06:29   sure that it was real [TS]

00:06:30   is that why they invented calculus I'm i [TS]

00:06:33   think the Arabs invented calculus [TS]

00:06:35   and the girls to say that and when ya [TS]

00:06:39   think you're supposed to say that when [TS]

00:06:40   the library was at Alexandria [TS]

00:06:42   little-known fact tune it was those were [TS]

00:06:45   those were Greek sexually [TS]

00:06:47   oh we know what they're dealing with now [TS]

00:06:49   yeah the Greeks they didn't invent [TS]

00:06:51   calculus they can't even balance the [TS]

00:06:53   checkbook they think they think you [TS]

00:06:55   covered in making this is an acceptable [TS]

00:06:57   appetizer [TS]

00:06:58   yeah the Greeks what you call that a [TS]

00:07:00   dessert that's just some tissue paper [TS]

00:07:02   and brown sugar right reserved ignores [TS]

00:07:05   the whole concept of low locos now is it [TS]

00:07:09   like hanging plants and the gardener's [TS]

00:07:10   the entire garden literally hanging like [TS]

00:07:12   from ropes or colored yarn how does how [TS]

00:07:14   does the garden hang the Hanging Gardens [TS]

00:07:15   of Babylon I think we're that the entire [TS]

00:07:17   city was everybody had like window boxes [TS]

00:07:22   with with flowers in them [TS]

00:07:23   oh that sounds lovely that sounds like [TS]

00:07:25   that sounds like that the country of [TS]

00:07:27   dutch where they also had the tulip [TS]

00:07:29   hysteria [TS]

00:07:30   this is all very related if you have the [TS]

00:07:31   right kind of colored yarn the tulip [TS]

00:07:34   hysteria [TS]

00:07:34   oh sure there's that was like the there [TS]

00:07:37   was the example everybody used during [TS]

00:07:38   the.com days right because suddenly [TS]

00:07:40   everybody decided I I there's no way i [TS]

00:07:43   can look this up anywhere but i'm pretty [TS]

00:07:44   sure that they suddenly it costs a lot [TS]

00:07:46   of money to get tulip bulbs right in [TS]

00:07:48   recent times are back in the old days I [TS]

00:07:50   don't remember it was either a couple [TS]

00:07:52   decades ago or the 1400 thought it was a [TS]

00:07:53   long time ago and and suddenly and then [TS]

00:07:56   that cause hysteria in the same way that [TS]

00:07:58   you know people wanted sites with fake [TS]

00:08:01   money in the lake late nineties for [TS]

00:08:03   joining show that well that's even [TS]

00:08:05   better when we get that market panic [TS]

00:08:07   yeah yeah okay sure and then everybody [TS]

00:08:09   you know buys low sell high [TS]

00:08:12   that's sure sure you had to have tulips [TS]

00:08:13   I remember this now network Buffett must [TS]

00:08:17   spend years telling people it's not [TS]

00:08:18   pronounced Buffay that was just driving [TS]

00:08:20   him nuts at a certain point I would show [TS]

00:08:23   it to change that at some point I was in [TS]

00:08:24   a rich man for a long time and I think [TS]

00:08:26   from that point on no one ever made that [TS]

00:08:28   mistake again [TS]

00:08:29   that's right i mean you learn once and [TS]

00:08:31   cut once in popular twice he says he [TS]

00:08:34   says that the key is the bio and other [TS]

00:08:36   people are selling and someone other [TS]

00:08:37   people are buying and I think that's the [TS]

00:08:39   kind of statement that makes so much [TS]

00:08:40   sense a lot of people don't understand [TS]

00:08:41   it either is a tricky think there's a [TS]

00:08:43   trick [TS]

00:08:44   it really does it also have that helps [TS]

00:08:46   to have 1 billion dollars to buy when [TS]

00:08:48   people are selling and $1,000,000,000 1 [TS]

00:08:51   billion shares of stock to sell when [TS]

00:08:53   people are buying seeing an extra clip [TS]

00:08:54   in the belt [TS]

00:08:55   yeah i'm saying if you have one thousand [TS]

00:08:58   dollars to invest to whom buying when [TS]

00:09:00   people are selling and selling people [TS]

00:09:02   when people are buying is not isn't [TS]

00:09:03   gonna make you rich [TS]

00:09:04   I get it you know everything jack every [TS]

00:09:07   blackjack strategy works as long as you [TS]

00:09:08   have a literal unlimited amount of money [TS]

00:09:10   yeah right i mean see it so you so you [TS]

00:09:12   make a 20-percent on your investment [TS]

00:09:14   congratulations now you have twelve [TS]

00:09:15   hundred dollars get back to work [TS]

00:09:19   wait for the next market swaying and [TS]

00:09:21   invest again [TS]

00:09:22   wow what a percent ok I want to come [TS]

00:09:25   back now alexandra also they had a bunch [TS]

00:09:27   of books that got lost there [TS]

00:09:28   well yeah the library burned and then [TS]

00:09:32   sank into the ocean so is the earthquake [TS]

00:09:35   a lot of stuff got lost yeah that's kind [TS]

00:09:39   of a perfect storm for librarians and [TS]

00:09:41   it's not just about you know talking [TS]

00:09:43   talking loud and smudging the covers [TS]

00:09:44   you're saying literally it did it [TS]

00:09:47   explode first and then it sounds like [TS]

00:09:50   they had a pretty rough time as good it [TS]

00:09:53   was burned it was burned in the course [TS]

00:09:55   of the city of Alexandria being sacked [TS]

00:09:57   and war which is a bad thing to burn the [TS]

00:10:02   library but it's what they did the [TS]

00:10:03   old-timey people because they didn't [TS]

00:10:05   appreciate that the collected wisdom of [TS]

00:10:08   the Greeks and Latins was contained [TS]

00:10:11   there and i want to open an old wound [TS]

00:10:14   John but is there a chance is there any [TS]

00:10:16   to using this is literally in Greece and [TS]

00:10:18   it is named after the guy who cut the [TS]

00:10:19   knot it's Alexandria it's increase right [TS]

00:10:21   no Alexandria in Egypt but it was [TS]

00:10:23   controlled but Greeks at the time this [TS]

00:10:25   is very similar to the Iceland and [TS]

00:10:26   Greenland problem i think if you start [TS]

00:10:28   naming things the wrong thing and then [TS]

00:10:29   putting them in different countries [TS]

00:10:31   potentially other comments i think it's [TS]

00:10:32   extremely confusing [TS]

00:10:34   great well it's named after Alexander [TS]

00:10:36   who at the you know sort of made a name [TS]

00:10:39   for himself right by talking places and [TS]

00:10:41   naming those places after himself and [TS]

00:10:43   cutting a night that is that is the [TS]

00:10:45   definition of making a name for yourself [TS]

00:10:47   he and he literally formed it out of [TS]

00:10:49   letters that he found some places he had [TS]

00:10:51   pillaged he started with the a maybe [TS]

00:10:53   start with the ex Alex now [TS]

00:10:56   okay so you got market panic [TS]

00:10:57   hanging gardens I want to get back to [TS]

00:10:58   the cure but uh I got a lot to talk [TS]

00:11:01   about here now here's my question for [TS]

00:11:02   you [TS]

00:11:02   the Iceland green now what was the band [TS]

00:11:04   that that didn't have a real language [TS]

00:11:06   there's a band that everybody with web [TS]

00:11:08   blogs talked about a few years ago when [TS]

00:11:10   they had a name like new or bunk or [TS]

00:11:12   something there was a band think my head [TS]

00:11:14   diuresis then I'm pronouncing that right [TS]

00:11:17   bonk bonk yeah functions but they're [TS]

00:11:19   called and they had all their songs are [TS]

00:11:20   like our very own bar deauxma and it [TS]

00:11:23   wasn't even like a language you know [TS]

00:11:25   what I'm talking about right everyone [TS]

00:11:26   can tell if it's a real language or not [TS]

00:11:28   can you tell the difference between that [TS]

00:11:29   an Icelandic I cannot and see I think [TS]

00:11:32   that's important i think i need to look [TS]

00:11:34   into this Iceland and Greenland now [TS]

00:11:35   which one the sugar cubes were there [TS]

00:11:37   from there from Iceland right from [TS]

00:11:38   Iceland and they're the ones who believe [TS]

00:11:40   in ohms absolutely in fact they have one [TS]

00:11:43   as a singer in the band and the memory [TS]

00:11:45   serves I nor does not like lobster huh [TS]

00:11:47   yeah i was talking to behind our it was [TS]

00:11:50   like the flavor flav the sugarcubes I [TS]

00:11:53   would you know I i had only a passing [TS]

00:11:55   pretend gentle glimpse of the sugar [TS]

00:11:58   cubes as they went by popular culture [TS]

00:12:00   because I was focused at that point in [TS]

00:12:02   preserving grunge at the grunge museum [TS]

00:12:07   here in Seattle we did you start there's [TS]

00:12:09   a guard you going to do sent like he's [TS]

00:12:11   got something I was that I was the cook [TS]

00:12:14   I was the cook at the grounds museum and [TS]

00:12:16   shoots crunch cut and then I worked my [TS]

00:12:19   way up to work my way up to assistant [TS]

00:12:20   manager [TS]

00:12:21   what's that what's that what's a bill of [TS]

00:12:22   fare look like a museum scrambled eggs [TS]

00:12:26   mhm a black jacket black tar heroin [TS]

00:12:29   uh-huh well the thing is when you're [TS]

00:12:31   nodding off there's nothing that smells [TS]

00:12:34   better to you than a cold plate of [TS]

00:12:36   greasy eggs [TS]

00:12:37   ah yeah or maybe a hagstrom did they [TS]

00:12:41   play extremely at all during the crunch [TS]

00:12:42   period that's funny that you should say [TS]

00:12:44   that uh hagstrom of course being a [TS]

00:12:48   Swedish les paul would he agree with [TS]

00:12:53   that [TS]

00:12:54   who has come out les paul the titular [TS]

00:12:56   Les Paul oh no can't get a strong [TS]

00:12:59   goldtop my pressure as they fell apart [TS]

00:13:00   pretty easily but that's good thing no [TS]

00:13:02   extra made great but that's the thing in [TS]

00:13:03   musical instruments right the everybody [TS]

00:13:07   always tries to compare the musical [TS]

00:13:09   instrument that the shoddy musical [TS]

00:13:10   instruments [TS]

00:13:11   they're manufacturing to the good [TS]

00:13:13   musical instrument that doesn't exist [TS]

00:13:14   anymore so so cali like democratic [TS]

00:13:17   politics [TS]

00:13:18   I thought you didn't want to talk about [TS]

00:13:20   politics like I discuss the tea party [TS]

00:13:22   I don't know much about angstroms I [TS]

00:13:23   always thought I systems are great [TS]

00:13:24   guitars but it's like remember when Kim [TS]

00:13:26   fail came out and he was playing a guild [TS]

00:13:29   SG rather than gibson SG and in [TS]

00:13:32   Soundgarden and at the time speaking as [TS]

00:13:35   a guitar person it seems like a radical [TS]

00:13:38   and uncomfortable choice like why is he [TS]

00:13:42   playing that I don't guess i would get [TS]

00:13:44   endorsement [TS]

00:13:45   I mean I said no they don't no no it was [TS]

00:13:47   something he found in a junk shop they [TS]

00:13:48   didn't help your pc and be endorsed at [TS]

00:13:52   the time you certainly could not have [TS]

00:13:53   been endorsed you if you were a great [TS]

00:13:56   musician and you had a a musical [TS]

00:13:58   instrument endorsement [TS]

00:14:00   I don't think that would have flopped [TS]

00:14:01   flown very well until Kurt Cobain did [TS]

00:14:03   his stupid jag staying thing but Hanks [TS]

00:14:07   rooms were great guitars the problem i [TS]

00:14:09   knew a guy that had a hagstrom I had [TS]

00:14:11   friends in its all the bandwidth only [TS]

00:14:13   play X terms i think i think the fucking [TS]

00:14:14   chance play extras from florida though [TS]

00:14:17   yeah fucking chance from san francisco i [TS]

00:14:19   think they play another max rooms using [TS]

00:14:21   that but see something has changed in [TS]

00:14:23   the last 15 years now you get now that [TS]

00:14:25   could be a thing now you could have [TS]

00:14:27   right you know like back then that you [TS]

00:14:29   could that could be a thing [TS]

00:14:31   thank you get paid to do like how i got [TS]

00:14:32   a really heavy and pointless PT base [TS]

00:14:35   that you played ironically game ironic [TS]

00:14:36   base you can have an ironic base but we [TS]

00:14:39   were still experimenting with the [TS]

00:14:40   technology of having female bass players [TS]

00:14:42   in 1992 right you're not gonna be you're [TS]

00:14:45   gonna be working with like super high [TS]

00:14:48   chemical reaction a matter like female [TS]

00:14:51   bass players and then also try and throw [TS]

00:14:53   in some like oh and all we plays [TS]

00:14:55   hagstrom like come on you got you change [TS]

00:14:58   one factor at a time that's address [TS]

00:14:59   that's in the science go slow [TS]

00:15:02   you can only fit so many molecules in [TS]

00:15:04   the building and at time I think also [TS]

00:15:05   within a few years all the bass player [TS]

00:15:07   and kim that's interesting that let you [TS]

00:15:11   pick that out i'm i'm i'm kind of a I've [TS]

00:15:14   been talking to some people about the [TS]

00:15:15   next iteration of the long winters and I [TS]

00:15:17   was thinking all Kim's Wow [TS]

00:15:19   boys and girls that's the thing also get [TS]

00:15:22   her in Smith's cover band if your last [TS]

00:15:24   name is Kim you're in like you could be [TS]

00:15:26   like paul kim like you can t he could be [TS]

00:15:28   anywhere in your name if your name was [TS]

00:15:30   like the skin bursts EDD you get these [TS]

00:15:34   actually be in the event you could be [TS]

00:15:36   kim cameras teen but but uh uh yeah you [TS]

00:15:41   have to vacuum your name is somehow [TS]

00:15:42   dimeola shows up and you say you know [TS]

00:15:44   what for a variety of reasons you're not [TS]

00:15:46   going to be in the band the one going to [TS]

00:15:48   give you is you're not named Kim you [TS]

00:15:49   don't have kids and also you literally [TS]

00:15:51   have missile and that we could I mean [TS]

00:15:53   I'm willing but there are people that [TS]

00:15:55   want to want to play music badly enough [TS]

00:15:56   that they would be willing to change [TS]

00:15:58   their name legally complete tattoos and [TS]

00:16:02   they'll do anything these people are [TS]

00:16:03   desperate John yeah we were on a train [TS]

00:16:05   the other day talking about tattoos and [TS]

00:16:08   this this woman the 75 year old woman [TS]

00:16:10   comes up the aisle and she says I hear [TS]

00:16:12   you're talking about tattoos and you did [TS]

00:16:14   you know that i had a tattoo but he said [TS]

00:16:17   of course I do ma'am [TS]

00:16:18   then we all have a book here a book here [TS]

00:16:20   of all the elderly people adapted and [TS]

00:16:24   she's a little old lady with like a [TS]

00:16:25   little gray-haired she's got that that [TS]

00:16:27   wedge haircut that little old ladies [TS]

00:16:29   have to wait a minute doing how this and [TS]

00:16:32   how old is she [TS]

00:16:34   well she's you know a seventies now or [TS]

00:16:37   late 60s early 70s it's not like that [TS]

00:16:39   kind of tattoo no no one and I looked at [TS]

00:16:41   her too and I was like you don't have [TS]

00:16:43   that kind of tattoo right and she said [TS]

00:16:45   no in 1954 1952 or something like that i [TS]

00:16:51   was living in northern utah and we were [TS]

00:16:54   all Shepherd down to the health center [TS]

00:16:58   and each given a tattoo of our blood [TS]

00:17:01   type underarm what and and she said [TS]

00:17:06   because we were because they told us [TS]

00:17:08   that it was in case the North Koreans it [TS]

00:17:14   bombed America and I and I said how old [TS]

00:17:18   were you at the time she said for ah I [TS]

00:17:21   said they gave a four-year-old girl [TS]

00:17:22   tattoo she said they gave everyone in [TS]

00:17:24   the town attention [TS]

00:17:26   and I said because the North Koreans [TS]

00:17:28   were going to bomb so so so hard reset [TS]

00:17:30   had something so many confusing things [TS]

00:17:32   about that anecdote it's bonkers but so [TS]

00:17:35   as as John is looking it up on his phone [TS]

00:17:38   I'm thinking wait a minute northern Utah [TS]

00:17:40   yes even realize they're even in [TS]

00:17:42   northern part of each other is I've been [TS]

00:17:44   there but but but I realized oh right [TS]

00:17:46   that's where the that's where the [TS]

00:17:49   missile silos were it's one of the [TS]

00:17:52   missiles were so I was like they weren't [TS]

00:17:54   they were bullshitting if they said [TS]

00:17:56   anything about the Koreans but they were [TS]

00:17:58   definitely preparing for a nuclear [TS]

00:18:01   apocalypse i I've heard of people who [TS]

00:18:06   write the phone number on their arms [TS]

00:18:07   sharpie before they drink and I think [TS]

00:18:09   that that's smart or you know is so you [TS]

00:18:12   think that's smart up another suggestion [TS]

00:18:16   yeah don't drink so much that you forget [TS]

00:18:18   your phone number that's mark here here [TS]

00:18:20   we go anyway so Hodgman pulls this up on [TS]

00:18:25   his phone [TS]

00:18:25   yes in fact it was a pilot program in [TS]

00:18:29   like rural indiana northern Utah and one [TS]

00:18:33   other bumfuck Egypt kind of place and [TS]

00:18:35   they tattooed everybody in the town [TS]

00:18:37   including little children with their [TS]

00:18:40   blood type under their arms in case in [TS]

00:18:45   case after the big apocalypse you know [TS]

00:18:48   people were coming into triage with [TS]

00:18:50   their faces melted off couldn't speak [TS]

00:18:52   but you can still figure out their blood [TS]

00:18:54   type it that's your original North [TS]

00:18:57   created did North Korea have kind of be [TS]

00:19:00   one type things for candidate they have [TS]

00:19:02   could they get to us [TS]

00:19:04   north korea couldn't have thrown a [TS]

00:19:06   basket of fruit a hundred and fifty [TS]

00:19:09   yards in 1951 now without permission but [TS]

00:19:12   the but they were being you know they [TS]

00:19:13   were being being funded by the Chinese [TS]

00:19:16   and the it was a prayer was a the first [TS]

00:19:19   proxy war was the first the first war [TS]

00:19:21   between the Soviets and the Americans [TS]

00:19:23   fought before it became fashionable for [TS]

00:19:27   that became a real thing later write [TS]

00:19:29   this strikes me as on any number of [TS]

00:19:30   levels a very duck-and-cover style [TS]

00:19:32   solution because it seems to me that [TS]

00:19:33   whether you're for or or agent if you're [TS]

00:19:36   very near a place that's going to be [TS]

00:19:38   bombed [TS]

00:19:39   I that they're not going to be able to [TS]

00:19:41   find that tattoo sure you would think it [TS]

00:19:43   to kiss your ass good-bye sit scenario [TS]

00:19:45   except that i just read a thing the [TS]

00:19:47   other day that after they exploded the [TS]

00:19:50   the a bomb on the Bikini Atoll who went [TS]

00:19:54   obviously back to check it out see the [TS]

00:19:57   scorched earth situation and numerous [TS]

00:20:00   rats had survived purely because they [TS]

00:20:06   gotten like transfusions now i think [TS]

00:20:09   that i think i think they survived [TS]

00:20:11   because they are indomitable spirit the [TS]

00:20:13   hearty they are they cannot that they're [TS]

00:20:17   there they're planning the big takeover [TS]

00:20:18   but anyway if you can see if you can be [TS]

00:20:21   on a tiny I mean it's one thing to be a [TS]

00:20:23   hero shima and survived because they are [TS]

00:20:25   presumably like buildings and places to [TS]

00:20:27   hide but if you're just a rat on a [TS]

00:20:29   desert island and we blow up a on a bomb [TS]

00:20:33   and you can you walk out of there huh [TS]

00:20:36   pretty impressive huh so anyway whether [TS]

00:20:39   in Utah [TS]

00:20:40   yeah well know these I gotta learn more [TS]

00:20:42   about that I don't have Hodgins phone [TS]

00:20:43   with me this is telling that mustache [TS]

00:20:44   boy does he like we come back to that I [TS]

00:20:48   hate to keep bringing this up and we're [TS]

00:20:50   on a card memory now I mean I know [TS]

00:20:52   you're pretty good pals with him and [TS]

00:20:54   it's probably not the kind of thing you [TS]

00:20:55   bring up but I want to come back to that [TS]

00:20:57   now here's the other thing now if I live [TS]

00:20:59   near a lot of like tall icicles [TS]

00:21:02   stalactites or an unregulated abattoir I [TS]

00:21:04   think having a blood-related tattoo is [TS]

00:21:08   is silly but understandable right in [TS]

00:21:11   saying that if you lived there and [TS]

00:21:13   unregulated abattoir you might [TS]

00:21:15   accidentally find your way like into the [TS]

00:21:16   spilling knives really the same it's the [TS]

00:21:19   same problem is generic drugs they don't [TS]

00:21:22   it's not well policed like your or herbs [TS]

00:21:24   you go on by suggesting you don't know [TS]

00:21:26   what's in there right that gonna be like [TS]

00:21:28   that could be cat was in shredded [TS]

00:21:30   newspaper you're encouraging me to go [TS]

00:21:31   out and buy some ginseng how many [TS]

00:21:33   abattoirs have you personally been two [TS]

00:21:34   ND know whether they are well regulated [TS]

00:21:36   I've been to a couple but they were in [TS]

00:21:38   Morocco and I can attest that they were [TS]

00:21:40   not you're trying to tell as I sit here [TS]

00:21:42   today you're telling me that you have [TS]

00:21:43   been [TS]

00:21:43   in a Moroccan abattoir yes from what [TS]

00:21:47   kind of what kind of thing that killed [TS]

00:21:48   in rockingham to our goats goats [TS]

00:21:51   okay they got a whole system for that is [TS]

00:21:55   rotating knives in the whole nine [TS]

00:21:56   no in the Moroccan abattoir they slipped [TS]

00:21:59   the goats knives with for this little [TS]

00:22:00   girl's throat first takeaway let's just [TS]

00:22:03   say step 0 takeaway knives from all the [TS]

00:22:06   girls a goat's knives and slippery and [TS]

00:22:08   and the one in your sock it slip he [TS]

00:22:11   slipped the knives in front of the goats [TS]

00:22:13   to say see what we can do to your knives [TS]

00:22:15   and who you thought you thought you were [TS]

00:22:17   protected by tonight how would have a [TS]

00:22:20   knife avatar [TS]

00:22:21   I don't really fully understand these [TS]

00:22:23   things I mean but again I blood type [TS]

00:22:26   I mean if all the things that you could [TS]

00:22:27   choose to put on there I'm taking your [TS]

00:22:28   build models like Rafael like models [TS]

00:22:30   when your kid I built so many ravel [TS]

00:22:32   models i could I still have I still have [TS]

00:22:35   periodically I'll just get a flash and [TS]

00:22:37   sometimes I think I'm having a stroke [TS]

00:22:39   but i'll get a flash of the smell of the [TS]

00:22:41   ravel modeling glue it will just come [TS]

00:22:45   it just comes out of some recesses of my [TS]

00:22:46   mind some it's my brain is offloading [TS]

00:22:49   some old memory in order to retain the [TS]

00:22:53   new memory of you know what the chord [TS]

00:22:56   sequences test tonight you belong to me [TS]

00:22:58   that's the strongest they say that's the [TS]

00:23:00   strongest sense of smell ya especially [TS]

00:23:02   especially of glue I'll get this [TS]

00:23:04   modeling glue smell you know and that [TS]

00:23:06   you remember for a while there they they [TS]

00:23:08   they all the modeling glue smelled like [TS]

00:23:11   lemons because they don't know what they [TS]

00:23:14   were trying to dissuade kids from [TS]

00:23:16   sniffing glue i don't know why that why [TS]

00:23:17   they would make it smell like lemons [TS]

00:23:19   right anybody who who who amongst you [TS]

00:23:21   that's looking for a buzz would want the [TS]

00:23:23   refreshing smell of citrus no no that's [TS]

00:23:26   a pollen but not compared to the [TS]

00:23:28   delicious smell of modeling love that [TS]

00:23:30   same night in a plastic bag and huffed [TS]

00:23:32   to ever have thought modeling glue i [TS]

00:23:35   didn't but when i when i was when i was [TS]

00:23:38   in Romania last glue huffing and [TS]

00:23:42   adhesive huffing was a epidemic and out [TS]

00:23:46   in front of the train station there were [TS]

00:23:47   all these little kids like really young [TS]

00:23:50   kids merchants you know just kind of [TS]

00:23:53   sleeping in like [TS]

00:23:55   will hollowed-out depressions in the [TS]

00:23:57   dirt and passing around these bags of 3m [TS]

00:24:01   adhesive spray adhesive and they have [TS]

00:24:05   the zombie looks is this in Romania [TS]

00:24:07   that's right what do you do when he gets [TS]

00:24:10   difficult he sits in Romania is that [TS]

00:24:12   well I mean Romanians need to it he's [TS]

00:24:15   things just like anybody else does [TS]

00:24:18   isn't it better sure I its transitive [TS]

00:24:21   intransitive I think it's one of those [TS]

00:24:22   things like you start noticing like [TS]

00:24:24   there's just not as much you know once [TS]

00:24:26   you know in the in the in the cool with [TS]

00:24:27   cans it just seems like that would be [TS]

00:24:29   not somebody would notice that there's a [TS]

00:24:30   lot you know what is interaction find [TS]

00:24:32   money for something like that you're [TS]

00:24:33   telling it's an inexpensive hi it's like [TS]

00:24:35   the air conditioning the freon thing [TS]

00:24:37   yeah i mean it virgins first of all [TS]

00:24:39   virgins are not picky about their high [TS]

00:24:41   well versions are not above stealing 41 [TS]

00:24:45   and stretching the name [TS]

00:24:47   yeah that's well yeah o.o i spent into [TS]

00:24:53   Kenzie incense and Fagan sense that the [TS]

00:24:55   anti-semitic but I mean the whole nature [TS]

00:24:57   being an urchin is you're probably not [TS]

00:24:59   going to go out and get some extremely [TS]

00:25:00   high-grade drugs i mean you're gonna [TS]

00:25:03   have a car you know the car with the [TS]

00:25:04   windows rolled down and you and I'm [TS]

00:25:06   guessing you probably don't go into the [TS]

00:25:08   store and comparison shop like you don't [TS]

00:25:11   go out and say i don't know this [TS]

00:25:13   adhesive is I mean you just you buy the [TS]

00:25:15   cheapest thing with the money that you [TS]

00:25:16   stole from the lady and and i think you [TS]

00:25:20   get a lot of bang for your buck with a [TS]

00:25:22   can of spray adhesive at least the last [TS]

00:25:25   time i was there your typical romanian [TS]

00:25:27   shopkeeper was not going to keep [TS]

00:25:29   adhesives spread his legs behind the [TS]

00:25:32   counter to keep them out of the hands of [TS]

00:25:34   kids could cost your problem what is [TS]

00:25:38   your problem [TS]

00:25:39   well like low for example like today [TS]

00:25:40   like setting aside the fact that almost [TS]

00:25:42   everything in walgreens is now behind [TS]

00:25:43   the counter like if i'm going to buy [TS]

00:25:44   neutrogena shampoo is yet a little [TS]

00:25:46   yellow piece of cardboard that says for [TS]

00:25:48   your convenience please go somewhere [TS]

00:25:50   else to buy this razor blades good luck [TS]

00:25:52   the reason I don't shave I mean there's [TS]

00:25:54   several reasons I don't shave but i'm [TS]

00:25:55   really tired of going to the counter and [TS]

00:25:56   asking them for that and now you know it [TS]

00:25:59   so its first of all it's just a shame [TS]

00:26:01   that you can't buy ephedrine anymore [TS]

00:26:02   because that really helped me get a lot [TS]

00:26:04   done at one point in my life and now you [TS]

00:26:05   can get pseudoephedrine you have to go [TS]

00:26:07   to the pharmacy [TS]

00:26:08   just is probably incompetent let's be [TS]

00:26:10   honest and then ask them to make a case [TS]

00:26:12   for one sudafed and prove to them that [TS]

00:26:15   you're not making crystal meth [TS]

00:26:17   absolutely and in on earth is like this [TS]

00:26:19   up in the fruitcake place you lived here [TS]

00:26:21   you gotta show my driver's license and [TS]

00:26:23   they're checking now they don't want you [TS]

00:26:25   buying too much sudafed they don't want [TS]

00:26:26   you to be completely clear they don't [TS]

00:26:28   want you breathing clearly yeah well as [TS]

00:26:30   you know I am NOT above and in fact [TS]

00:26:32   often relish screaming a lecture at [TS]

00:26:37   people who are standing behind the [TS]

00:26:39   counter of somewhere and I have gone [TS]

00:26:41   because they can do often can't leave [TS]

00:26:45   that's right and they are they're often [TS]

00:26:46   standing there asking me for something [TS]

00:26:48   and I'm yelling back at them what they [TS]

00:26:50   need to know and I i2mo Emma not just a [TS]

00:26:55   fan of ephedrine but a I i believe it is [TS]

00:27:01   one of the things that God made to make [TS]

00:27:05   life owners more bear haha [TS]

00:27:06   John this is a whole motherfucking card [TS]

00:27:09   and I don't have anybody I can talk to [TS]

00:27:11   about this anymore i go into these [TS]

00:27:13   formulas in a secret shame and I'm [TS]

00:27:16   pawing through these these uh [TS]

00:27:18   antihistamines and i am looking at the [TS]

00:27:22   list of ingredients and I'm like not a [TS]

00:27:24   single one of these ingredients is an [TS]

00:27:26   actual antihistamine these are things [TS]

00:27:29   these are like fake antihistamines and I [TS]

00:27:32   my body is not fooled so I go up to the [TS]

00:27:35   counter and I say where is the [TS]

00:27:38   pseudoephedrine and they say oh you have [TS]

00:27:40   to fill out a card or whatever and ie i [TS]

00:27:45   rant and rave I yell at every pharmacist [TS]

00:27:48   that makes me go through this process [TS]

00:27:50   look at me look at me i want the one [TS]

00:27:54   thing that works [TS]

00:27:56   it was it's like it's like withholding [TS]

00:27:58   the polio vaccine you whore why are you [TS]

00:28:01   helping me [TS]

00:28:02   you know what it's like to have [TS]

00:28:03   allergies you have it later [TS]

00:28:05   you have it right back there you can [TS]

00:28:07   sell it give me the little red pill that [TS]

00:28:10   makes life bearable [TS]

00:28:12   so you're talking about you're talking [TS]

00:28:13   about the the true for my saying [TS]

00:28:16   prophylactic purpose you're saying 44 [TS]

00:28:17   clear nostrils are not saying for [TS]

00:28:18   twitching and writing [TS]

00:28:19   more you're talking about freshly [TS]

00:28:20   clearing out your not so I do not misuse [TS]

00:28:22   these drugs never misused it all know [TS]

00:28:25   I'm a drug addicts no no I mean before [TS]

00:28:28   before you got all that straight now [TS]

00:28:30   no no hey that compared to a cross stop [TS]

00:28:35   an epidural is not a very cross with me [TS]

00:28:38   like a white cross ya know what's in [TS]

00:28:40   that that's I thought wasn't that's [TS]

00:28:45   actual speed oh I I've had I've had that [TS]

00:28:47   for my from my condition [TS]

00:28:49   yeah i know for your condition and if [TS]

00:28:51   you take a lot of those now you're now [TS]

00:28:54   you're really driving a semi dressy idea [TS]

00:28:56   i think i could get right now you have [TS]

00:28:58   no idea haha i could take another one of [TS]

00:29:01   these and just be good and test [TS]

00:29:02   yeah I have to watch that with that at [TS]

00:29:04   all boy that adderall just I just think [TS]

00:29:06   unless you off [TS]

00:29:08   yeah i mean it i can't touch that stuff [TS]

00:29:10   with i can't i can't look at any kind of [TS]

00:29:12   medication and think maybe if i just [TS]

00:29:14   took to it would help me get this [TS]

00:29:16   writing assignment done because that's a [TS]

00:29:19   very slippery slope for somebody [TS]

00:29:21   yes yes absolutely so so but i but I do [TS]

00:29:24   take one of those pills during allergy [TS]

00:29:27   season I take one of them every day [TS]

00:29:29   whether i wake up with a stuffy nose or [TS]

00:29:34   not because it is an antihistamine it [TS]

00:29:37   suppresses the history moon right [TS]

00:29:39   response and then you don't you end up [TS]

00:29:42   not going through the agony [TS]

00:29:44   no that's why the color prophylactic is [TS]

00:29:46   it's not just about the you know [TS]

00:29:47   intercourse with the rubber prophylactic [TS]

00:29:49   as you know I think that's probably [TS]

00:29:51   because it's got a why in it but you [TS]

00:29:53   know you're taking it in order to avoid [TS]

00:29:54   something happening right now that's [TS]

00:29:56   that's perhaps the notion now i'm almost [TS]

00:29:58   at that point I've got that generic [TS]

00:30:00   claritin it a I i can't tell if it makes [TS]

00:30:03   a difference i can't tell if it's one of [TS]

00:30:05   those adaptogen des things like vitamin [TS]

00:30:07   C but it seems to help me [TS]

00:30:08   all i know is that sometimes I will find [TS]

00:30:10   myself standing in the kitchen and [TS]

00:30:11   sneezing like 44 just minutes and [TS]

00:30:14   minutes and minutes like 16-18 sneezes [TS]

00:30:16   in a row that's how that's how you get [TS]

00:30:18   your bacon so flavorful right i mean [TS]

00:30:20   i've always admired your bacon recipe i [TS]

00:30:23   just assumed it was that you sneezed on [TS]

00:30:24   a 16-time if I knew the answer I [TS]

00:30:26   wouldn't tell you [TS]

00:30:27   for reasons I'm sure you can understand [TS]

00:30:29   I don't understand I and then the lady [TS]

00:30:31   my coffee place brown coffee [TS]

00:30:33   that's as a replacement there yeah I [TS]

00:30:36   like to play someone I can every to them [TS]

00:30:38   this morning i love that place but but [TS]

00:30:41   Ariana there she just gave me some stuff [TS]

00:30:42   she got a whole foods she claims is a [TS]

00:30:44   chinese herb is there some kind of [TS]

00:30:46   Ukrainian like refugee or Russian broad [TS]

00:30:50   I meet you mean like a like a like a [TS]

00:30:53   fishnet stocking mate exhalation well or [TS]

00:30:56   just an immigrant woman from the east [TS]

00:30:59   I don't want to speak out of school that [TS]

00:31:00   I believe she is her parents are from [TS]

00:31:04   China and Afghanistan which is very [TS]

00:31:06   interesting [TS]

00:31:07   wow that's exotic right now see now my [TS]

00:31:09   shrink has got me worried about the [TS]

00:31:10   whole herb thing because 80 in the same [TS]

00:31:13   way that he's got me worried about the [TS]

00:31:14   whole generic drug thing he says the [TS]

00:31:16   whole generic drug thing he says it's [TS]

00:31:17   these are my words not his because he's [TS]

00:31:19   a professional complete horseshit there [TS]

00:31:22   in 20 [TS]

00:31:23   well the thing is it's the worst kind of [TS]

00:31:25   horse shit because you don't know if [TS]

00:31:26   it's your shit is a where is this your [TS]

00:31:28   shrink that saying this or there's this [TS]

00:31:29   the voice of your shrink that you're [TS]

00:31:31   picking up in your tin foil helmet [TS]

00:31:33   let me check my wall let's go back to [TS]

00:31:36   the wall to talk more about this index [TS]

00:31:37   cards [TS]

00:31:38   I got a lot of stuff here wouldn't help [TS]

00:31:41   right index cards on the index card but [TS]

00:31:43   I really need to get some straighten out [TS]

00:31:44   my life John that you just right index [TS]

00:31:46   cards on an index card like rusted out [TS]

00:31:48   the wall / art / adhesive okay um [TS]

00:31:53   national problem [TS]

00:31:55   ok sergeant saying you're well I see now [TS]

00:31:58   I've taken the ginseng and my shrink [TS]

00:32:00   just he says he says just don't even [TS]

00:32:02   touch that stuff because you don't know [TS]

00:32:04   how much of anything is in there is [TS]

00:32:05   totally unregulated he says this is the [TS]

00:32:07   problem with especially I must say [TS]

00:32:10   antidepressants [TS]

00:32:11   now now apparently you go and take one [TS]

00:32:13   of those name-brand depressants and it [TS]

00:32:16   may work or not work for a person but it [TS]

00:32:18   can work now a lot of the stuff you [TS]

00:32:20   don't know what's in there [TS]

00:32:21   supposedly it says the problem is this [TS]

00:32:23   is so boring there's no way to actually [TS]

00:32:25   check this stuff out now hits full of [TS]

00:32:28   rodin pairs and stuff I mean what I mean [TS]

00:32:30   what's in it it could be just it's just [TS]

00:32:32   like when you go to some yoga feeling [TS]

00:32:34   some yo says to you all [TS]

00:32:37   yoyo being people who disagree with me [TS]

00:32:39   about this is all no generics are [TS]

00:32:41   exactly the same as regular drugs each [TS]

00:32:43   one of these [TS]

00:32:44   has like for example point zero one [TS]

00:32:46   percent of this active ingredient so in [TS]

00:32:49   the the other 98 / 99.9 sentencing [TS]

00:32:53   exactly i don't okay now here's the [TS]

00:32:55   stabilizers and so in the absence of [TS]

00:32:57   ephedrine and the absence of so you're [TS]

00:33:00   what is it you're taking every day [TS]

00:33:03   well I pseudoephedrine i mean i would [TS]

00:33:04   take an afternoon like sudafed like [TS]

00:33:06   sudafed to actuation that's ok I i [TS]

00:33:09   started on the ephedrine in in college [TS]

00:33:12   because the place that I've got my mom [TS]

00:33:14   liquor obviously also have little [TS]

00:33:16   bottles of ephedrine Tom and you could [TS]

00:33:19   buy a bottle back in the seventies close [TS]

00:33:22   closest would be 1986-87 88 you could [TS]

00:33:25   buy a 50 of these little tiny white [TS]

00:33:30   unadulterated affections for two dollars [TS]

00:33:31   and ninety-nine cents 25 milligram [TS]

00:33:35   ephedrine you getting hit 50 this 4 [TS]

00:33:38   2nite now you're asking how do I know [TS]

00:33:39   this because I've made a spreadsheet a [TS]

00:33:41   few years ago because i was getting [TS]

00:33:42   concerned about the historical cost of [TS]

00:33:44   dancing medicine i called dancing [TS]

00:33:45   medicine because you can take a lot in [TS]

00:33:47   dance or drive really far do you still [TS]

00:33:49   get do still import these things we [TS]

00:33:51   don't need to i have the atd medicine [TS]

00:33:53   now and I don't know self-medicate with [TS]

00:33:54   these that's nice [TS]

00:33:56   ok so i think that's a happy ending ok [TS]

00:33:58   so what I just found a place across the [TS]

00:34:02   street is a handjob place we should get [TS]

00:34:03   back to that really how it certainly [TS]

00:34:06   I've had I've had the feeling for a [TS]

00:34:07   while and i just got confirmation from [TS]

00:34:09   the Merchants Association guy [TS]

00:34:10   yes far where the firemen drink all the [TS]

00:34:13   races farm barn let's change now [TS]

00:34:15   oh now it's citation kids with funny [TS]

00:34:16   haircuts it's really costly it's really [TS]

00:34:20   costly shouldn't so i may I share this [TS]

00:34:22   google doc a few years ago that i'm [TS]

00:34:24   happy to share with people now here's [TS]

00:34:26   the problem you know they made it [TS]

00:34:27   illegal you couldn't buy the ephedrine [TS]

00:34:29   anymore i thought we were talking about [TS]

00:34:30   handjob still and i think those are [TS]

00:34:32   still legal I think they're you notice [TS]

00:34:34   things like weed where you know you [TS]

00:34:35   might as well regulated you know and you [TS]

00:34:39   know that attacks and stuff so so [TS]

00:34:41   everybody wins [TS]

00:34:42   i use their time in San Francisco taxes [TS]

00:34:44   handjobs idea what if they could i I [TS]

00:34:47   don't know how will they follow the [TS]

00:34:48   stuff I'm just saying that a lot of nail [TS]

00:34:49   places just saying because your places [TS]

00:34:52   like where my fingernails any place we [TS]

00:34:54   can go in there and they do things to [TS]

00:34:56   you like a spot type situation first of [TS]

00:34:57   all [TS]

00:34:58   be very careful as let diseases you can [TS]

00:34:59   catch a place like that these places are [TS]

00:35:01   costs because I can't breathe in a nail [TS]

00:35:03   salon [TS]

00:35:04   yeah it's a very inexpensive business to [TS]

00:35:06   start and that's why a lot of people who [TS]

00:35:07   came here after the Vietnam War open [TS]

00:35:08   them [TS]

00:35:09   there's nothing on NPR about this well I [TS]

00:35:11   think they also use that solution to [TS]

00:35:13   electroplate like truck bumpers and [TS]

00:35:15   stuff it's very what is that what does [TS]

00:35:18   that do to a bummer when you [TS]

00:35:19   electroplated but plates it haha put [TS]

00:35:22   chrome on the bumper with a casual and [TS]

00:35:25   all right so very it's a very toxic [TS]

00:35:27   process to chroma bumper is that right [TS]

00:35:29   I'm not that's not a euphemism [TS]

00:35:31   now what sounds like it now but that's [TS]

00:35:33   after it let's just say for the sake of [TS]

00:35:34   argument that some ladies suck the [TS]

00:35:35   chrome off a bumper and you literally go [TS]

00:35:37   somewhere in these electricity to [TS]

00:35:39   replate it [TS]

00:35:40   that's right that sounds like a raccoon [TS]

00:35:41   me John that sounds that sounds like a [TS]

00:35:43   lady is good fellatio and some people [TS]

00:35:45   from Southeast Asia could easily turn [TS]

00:35:46   them into hell of a racket [TS]

00:35:48   oh and then her brother is running the [TS]

00:35:49   electroplating sure what about what [TS]

00:35:52   about removing golf balls from garden [TS]

00:35:53   hoses constant cycle house golf bug in [TS]

00:35:56   the garden has asked yourself that guy [TS]

00:35:59   shack I was I was I was walking in the [TS]

00:36:01   neighborhood not runner-up not very long [TS]

00:36:03   ago uh my neighborhood I didn't normally [TS]

00:36:05   go to and I i saw donut shop for up the [TS]

00:36:09   street and across the way and was [TS]

00:36:10   walking to this donut shop the streets [TS]

00:36:12   were abandoned her deserted not [TS]

00:36:16   abandoned they were so using them but it [TS]

00:36:17   but they were deserted at the time I'm [TS]

00:36:19   walking across the street and here comes [TS]

00:36:21   a car the other direction and as I'm [TS]

00:36:23   halfway across the street [TS]

00:36:24   this car slows down and I see that it's [TS]

00:36:27   a guy I know and he sees me and we kind [TS]

00:36:29   of look at each other but it's but he [TS]

00:36:31   doesn't stop it just keeps driving and I [TS]

00:36:34   was like what was he doing up here this [TS]

00:36:35   is a weird neighborhood for for either [TS]

00:36:38   of us to be in my child to the store now [TS]

00:36:40   now them all [TS]

00:36:41   we also have I head over to the donut [TS]

00:36:43   shop I haven't done or whatever few days [TS]

00:36:46   pass i bump into this guy rock club and [TS]

00:36:49   I go hey how's it going he was like hey [TS]

00:36:51   I saw you up at the ceiling up there and [TS]

00:36:54   in you know weird neighborhood weirdo [TS]

00:36:56   neighborhood I was like yeah what were [TS]

00:36:58   you doing up there and he said well I [TS]

00:37:00   was trying to think of what you were [TS]

00:37:01   doing up there and then I realized [TS]

00:37:02   there's only one reason to be in that [TS]

00:37:04   neighborhood and that's the fifty-dollar [TS]

00:37:06   lunchtime hand job at the at the strip [TS]

00:37:09   club that's up around the corner from [TS]

00:37:11   there [TS]

00:37:11   $50 lunchtime handjob and I went I just [TS]

00:37:15   like stone face like and and he said oh [TS]

00:37:20   oh oh no did I say that I meant I meant [TS]

00:37:27   that donut event that you were just up [TS]

00:37:30   there to see a friend [TS]

00:37:31   anyway good to see you bye there should [TS]

00:37:34   be there should be like you talked about [TS]

00:37:36   with the handkerchief codes there should [TS]

00:37:38   be some way to make sure we're always [TS]

00:37:39   talking about the same thing that's the [TS]

00:37:41   thing and what was terrible about this [TS]

00:37:42   exchange was that he was so excited to [TS]

00:37:46   have found another another somebody he [TS]

00:37:50   could look for me it's like me with the [TS]

00:37:52   dancing medicine John I thought we were [TS]

00:37:53   simpatico and now it turns out on mom [TS]

00:37:55   you know I'm fucking elliott smith and [TS]

00:37:56   your mother Teresa or something else [TS]

00:37:58   well I'll tell ya I as you were talking [TS]

00:38:01   about the two dollar 50 cent bottle of [TS]

00:38:03   epidemic in 1986 299 i was able to [TS]

00:38:07   transport myself to my 1986 self [TS]

00:38:09   whoo-hoo and I was thinking wow that's a [TS]

00:38:12   good that sounds cool [TS]

00:38:14   that's good deal well you get really hot [TS]

00:38:18   I'm not gonna dwell on this because this [TS]

00:38:19   is this is not interesting and it [TS]

00:38:20   reveals way too much about me but I did [TS]

00:38:22   take the time according to google docs [TS]

00:38:24   660 days ago to calculate I took all my [TS]

00:38:27   receipts for having bought these from [TS]

00:38:29   suit illegal places over the years [TS]

00:38:30   because I was appalled by how expensive [TS]

00:38:32   the ephedrine was getting and then I did [TS]

00:38:34   a cost calculation based on milligrams [TS]

00:38:36   turns out 1988 i was paying six cents [TS]

00:38:40   6.6 sense for for an equivalent unit so [TS]

00:38:44   yeah yeah it goes up to a dollar 46 you [TS]

00:38:48   want 2080 believe that it's so much [TS]

00:38:51   harder to get high now white and can I [TS]

00:38:55   just say I I don't come from merchant [TS]

00:38:57   people but like I can understand the [TS]

00:38:59   huffing I can understand if you're going [TS]

00:39:01   out and you're having to go to one of [TS]

00:39:02   these legs on sparks supplement sites [TS]

00:39:05   and go drop third in one case where has [TS]

00:39:07   been your 5995 448 count and that's cut [TS]

00:39:11   with wife innocent which is that cough [TS]

00:39:12   medicine bullshit nobody needs one more [TS]

00:39:14   dollar bill you're part of the problem [TS]

00:39:16   John is they don't want you doing this [TS]

00:39:17   huffing and so then they add stuff [TS]

00:39:19   remember [TS]

00:39:20   over in the like in the in the science [TS]

00:39:22   you know when they add the garlic smell [TS]

00:39:23   so the Bunsen burners stink and tell us [TS]

00:39:25   they're leaking sink the assault the [TS]

00:39:28   sulfur smell is this offer [TS]

00:39:30   I don't think they had garlic that's [TS]

00:39:31   that sounds pretty nice but maybe it's [TS]

00:39:34   been a long time selection more [TS]

00:39:35   artisanal science progress snifter [TS]

00:39:37   Bunsen burner sniffing Bunsen burner [TS]

00:39:40   just talk about like I totally would've [TS]

00:39:42   been drinking sterno been drinking [TS]

00:39:45   hairspray [TS]

00:39:46   I mean you know there's always somebody [TS]

00:39:48   wants to that's why they put the nasty [TS]

00:39:50   chemical in the rubbing alcohol you [TS]

00:39:52   could get eaten should face on rubbing [TS]

00:39:54   alcohol if it didn't have that that [TS]

00:39:56   whatever the hell that stuff is they put [TS]

00:39:58   in it so you can't drink it right they [TS]

00:40:00   call that to caucus dropping well now [TS]

00:40:02   whatever they have to add something in [TS]

00:40:03   because a potentially a presidential [TS]

00:40:06   candidates wife is abusing it's not [TS]

00:40:07   funny [TS]

00:40:08   the anyway the point is that the price [TS]

00:40:10   went way up i'm glad i got the help and [TS]

00:40:12   I do that for the urchins I now they're [TS]

00:40:15   not going to be able to walk up to for a [TS]

00:40:17   variety of reasons the artists are not [TS]

00:40:19   going to walk up to a strip mall and be [TS]

00:40:21   able to just go buy some whippits you [TS]

00:40:23   know and again you go by the whippets [TS]

00:40:25   you're going to be burning through the [TS]

00:40:26   whip-it superfast and then you're going [TS]

00:40:27   to want more with its and honestly [TS]

00:40:30   speaking not i mean i can't speak for [TS]

00:40:32   merchants exactly but if you're living [TS]

00:40:36   in a hollowed-out depression in the [TS]

00:40:37   ground in front of a Romanian study the [TS]

00:40:40   whole you can afford a whole I don't [TS]

00:40:42   think that the 35 seconds of euphoria [TS]

00:40:45   that a whippet provides is quite enough [TS]

00:40:47   a consciousness alteration to really [TS]

00:40:51   like smooth over the bumps in your life [TS]

00:40:54   whereas if you're having you all day [TS]

00:40:57   you're killing brain cells by the [TS]

00:40:59   hundreds of thousands and I and I think [TS]

00:41:01   that that that's maybe much more [TS]

00:41:04   comforting to them if I understand you [TS]

00:41:05   correctly you're saying there's there's [TS]

00:41:06   something like a sliding scale where if [TS]

00:41:08   you're if you're living it literally in [TS]

00:41:10   a pro whole your your dreams you're [TS]

00:41:13   dreaming of adhesives and new and a [TS]

00:41:15   proper proper holes at some point you're [TS]

00:41:17   saying you want something really really [TS]

00:41:18   solid it's just going to let right we're [TS]

00:41:21   going to you can form you conform to the [TS]

00:41:23   whole uh huh and I got high that you can [TS]

00:41:25   count on ya goin with it is a high that [TS]

00:41:29   like if you're at apart if you're at a [TS]

00:41:31   party in a suburban house [TS]

00:41:33   and there's a girl at the party that you [TS]

00:41:36   have a crush on and she's talking to [TS]

00:41:39   your friend not even flirting with him [TS]

00:41:42   but just talking to him who and that is [TS]

00:41:45   causing you psychic pain just because [TS]

00:41:48   you're a teenage kid and you think that [TS]

00:41:51   just that the fact that she's talking to [TS]

00:41:53   me means that they're in love and that [TS]

00:41:55   she's never gonna she's never gonna see [TS]

00:41:58   you across the room she never going to [TS]

00:42:00   taking tips for the person to think this [TS]

00:42:01   isn't a flash it all happens at once I [TS]

00:42:03   mean you're carrying this baggage around [TS]

00:42:05   all the time and just activates it [TS]

00:42:08   activates with because it's not a [TS]

00:42:09   trigger word a trigger a trigger site [TS]

00:42:12   here's the group you see the girl [TS]

00:42:13   Freddie minutes and then your heads [TS]

00:42:15   going here we go again and she's doing [TS]

00:42:17   anything else if she is making top ramen [TS]

00:42:19   in the kitchen [TS]

00:42:20   you're convinced that she is in love [TS]

00:42:22   with that top ramen and not you a whip [TS]

00:42:25   it is the precise dose of drugs that you [TS]

00:42:28   need to make it through that experience [TS]

00:42:30   if you're living in a depression in the [TS]

00:42:33   ground [TS]

00:42:34   you need a stronger dosage of alteration [TS]

00:42:38   of altered states i'm learning like I I [TS]

00:42:41   know you're you're somebody who doesn't [TS]

00:42:43   do stuff with intoxicants anymore but a [TS]

00:42:45   can i just say i am learning a lot and [TS]

00:42:47   be it seems to me that you have the [TS]

00:42:49   basis for what could be something like a [TS]

00:42:51   very disturbing Almanac or possibly [TS]

00:42:53   unlicensed medical practice because it [TS]

00:42:55   strikes me that especially given the [TS]

00:42:57   fact that you do tend to know what's [TS]

00:43:00   right for people a lot of the time it [TS]

00:43:03   seems to me that you could if you chose [TS]

00:43:05   to you put in and the stranger you put [TS]

00:43:06   an end the seattle weekly maybe you can [TS]

00:43:08   leverage erect reverb thing for this [TS]

00:43:09   seems to me you could start finding [TS]

00:43:11   people who have fundamental personality [TS]

00:43:13   problems and potentially connect them up [TS]

00:43:15   with the kind of drug ish item and dose [TS]

00:43:19   that would either make it better or [TS]

00:43:21   worse depending on what they need [TS]

00:43:23   have you thought of this at all yeah [TS]

00:43:24   well I have long felt that that a [TS]

00:43:27   psychedelic mushrooms are an underused [TS]

00:43:30   mind altar in terms of solving people's [TS]

00:43:34   psychic trauma and a lot of people don't [TS]

00:43:38   they don't find mushrooms either because [TS]

00:43:40   they think mushrooms are some kind of [TS]

00:43:42   hippy drug or when you eat mushrooms [TS]

00:43:44   that makes you vomit [TS]

00:43:45   or they are put off by the [TS]

00:43:48   hallucinations and put off by the fact [TS]

00:43:51   that sometimes your friends will turn [TS]

00:43:53   into lizards grunting karkat's yeah [TS]

00:43:57   cartoon cats or big a bug-eyed will you [TS]

00:44:00   feel really see the reptilian behind the [TS]

00:44:03   behind the long pig mask but but [TS]

00:44:07   mushrooms in proper doses and used the [TS]

00:44:10   unders Creek you know just the tradition [TS]

00:44:13   can be a very they can be very good for [TS]

00:44:17   people i think I don't mean like take [TS]

00:44:18   mushrooms every day for a year I just [TS]

00:44:20   mean like it take mushrooms once and [TS]

00:44:23   then you think about it for a year and [TS]

00:44:24   then you take it again and then you're [TS]

00:44:25   probably that's probably enough you [TS]

00:44:28   should be done at that point but right [TS]

00:44:30   with the right with the right if I think [TS]

00:44:32   I think it would aid to the it's an aide [TS]

00:44:35   to to get going in conjunction with [TS]

00:44:39   counseling take some mushrooms can swing [TS]

00:44:41   by your argument by you [TS]

00:44:43   yeah because you potentially I [TS]

00:44:45   understand this the scale you're gonna [TS]

00:44:47   have to get some assistance interns [TS]

00:44:48   merchants maybe but you're saying [TS]

00:44:50   potentially you would prescribe people [TS]

00:44:52   something like a certain amount of [TS]

00:44:53   mushrooms he told to just back the fuck [TS]

00:44:54   up and take it and then you would you [TS]

00:44:56   talk to them before after during which [TS]

00:44:58   would be fucking with them would you be [TS]

00:44:59   wearing what you described as a long pig [TS]

00:45:01   mask [TS]

00:45:01   well what how would you be interacting [TS]

00:45:03   with them with you just being follow-up [TS]

00:45:04   but the thing that I'm speaking on [TS]

00:45:07   speaking as somebody who has fucked with [TS]

00:45:09   a lot of people who were on mushrooms i [TS]

00:45:11   can say that it is very hard to tell in [TS]

00:45:13   advance who is going to benefit from [TS]

00:45:15   being fucked with while on mushrooms and [TS]

00:45:17   who is really going to be traumatized by [TS]

00:45:19   that [TS]

00:45:19   yeah like college I would I would I [TS]

00:45:22   would tend to to be very gentle with [TS]

00:45:25   people while they were on mushrooms [TS]

00:45:27   unless they indicated that they could [TS]

00:45:29   but they really desire to be messed with [TS]

00:45:32   that like that like a safe word or [TS]

00:45:34   grinders or something that lets let's [TS]

00:45:35   letz you know they're ready for four [TS]

00:45:37   more of John's medicine [TS]

00:45:39   yeah in most cases i think i think safe [TS]

00:45:41   words are good the problem is that that [TS]

00:45:43   most people are taking mushrooms are in [TS]

00:45:45   a group of people who are also all on [TS]

00:45:47   mushrooms so it's so there's a tendency [TS]

00:45:50   to forget the safe word or ignore it [TS]

00:45:52   that's a good point but it's also the [TS]

00:45:54   same way that like you don't let it [TS]

00:45:56   anymore the big problems with drunk [TS]

00:45:57   driving [TS]

00:45:58   apparently is it like if you have three [TS]

00:46:00   or four drinks you go you know what I [TS]

00:46:02   probably shouldn't drive if you have a [TS]

00:46:04   hundred and sixty drinks you may become [TS]

00:46:06   imbued with the power of believing that [TS]

00:46:08   you're the greatest driver in the world [TS]

00:46:09   right right you forget [TS]

00:46:10   yeah and it just strikes me i know that [TS]

00:46:12   if i could say i don't speak out of turn [TS]

00:46:14   it strikes me that a lot of in addition [TS]

00:46:16   to people not being exposed to things [TS]

00:46:18   you share with them they're also getting [TS]

00:46:19   there getting crossed cross-channel [TS]

00:46:20   noise they're getting advice from [TS]

00:46:22   different people could you potentially [TS]

00:46:23   be in a position where you would have to [TS]

00:46:25   argue with a theoretical cartoon cat [TS]

00:46:27   about what's best for the person is [TS]

00:46:28   being fucked with no I don't think so [TS]

00:46:30   although you don't want to be in a [TS]

00:46:33   controlled laboratory environment we [TS]

00:46:34   don't want to be standing there in a lab [TS]

00:46:36   coat now I think that we should be out [TS]

00:46:38   at look push in Washington on the coast [TS]

00:46:41   this is going to take the top spot and [TS]

00:46:43   clapping oh now look pushes a real place [TS]

00:46:46   here and in Washington State and you [TS]

00:46:49   watch the whales kind of cresting there [TS]

00:46:51   and i rather than a rather than a lab [TS]

00:46:55   coat i think i should probably be in a [TS]

00:46:56   furry sweater and maybe a cowichan hat i [TS]

00:46:59   see a vest sweater vest well it's not [TS]

00:47:02   under nice when I don't know no more [TS]

00:47:04   like Mamas and the Papas getting on the [TS]

00:47:07   on the bus kind of like a fussy vest in [TS]

00:47:09   like a light day yak best I've seen you [TS]

00:47:12   in dennis hopper mustache and yak best [TS]

00:47:15   and a dennis hopper mustache so they [TS]

00:47:16   feel like they're in good hands and I [TS]

00:47:18   feel like there's a spiritual component [TS]

00:47:20   to it but because here's here's their [TS]

00:47:22   guy just confessed anybody they don't [TS]

00:47:24   give a yak best and butt and then then I [TS]

00:47:27   just walked them through being high and [TS]

00:47:29   then as they as they came down the other [TS]

00:47:31   side be like yeah right am i right [TS]

00:47:34   and then the next day we could talk [TS]

00:47:35   about some of the stuff that went on and [TS]

00:47:39   then you follow up a few times are you [TS]

00:47:42   feeling now about that I feel now about [TS]

00:47:44   that would the value that you saw me do [TS]

00:47:47   you really care how they feel though I [TS]

00:47:48   mean or is it just to such as part of [TS]

00:47:50   the thing in order if you get the final [TS]

00:47:51   payment you have to make them feel like [TS]

00:47:53   they're listen to well here's the [TS]

00:47:55   problem [TS]

00:47:55   the thing is that drugs are not [TS]

00:47:58   inherently bad drugs are just drugs they [TS]

00:48:00   just aren't they do they drug you they [TS]

00:48:02   do things to you that are druggie [TS]

00:48:05   but we demonize them and and in so doing [TS]

00:48:08   we've done the thing that we always do [TS]

00:48:10   in paternalistic societies which is that [TS]

00:48:12   there are certain number of people who [TS]

00:48:14   are too stupid to live too stupid to [TS]

00:48:16   make their own choices and in order to [TS]

00:48:18   protect those people from the from their [TS]

00:48:20   own stupidity we remove the option from [TS]

00:48:24   everybody else of doing things that [TS]

00:48:26   they're perfectly capable of doing [TS]

00:48:28   without harming themselves right so [TS]

00:48:30   there are certain kids who are too [TS]

00:48:32   stupid like nobody's allowed to build [TS]

00:48:34   models anymore because I get my tan put [TS]

00:48:37   a bag on his head right and kids under [TS]

00:48:40   kids under 21 are not allowed to drink [TS]

00:48:42   in bars because because seven percent of [TS]

00:48:46   them would not be able to handle it [TS]

00:48:47   whereas 93% would be fine you know they [TS]

00:48:50   go watch a rock show have a beer [TS]

00:48:53   nothing bad is going to happen but [TS]

00:48:55   that's seven percent ruins it for [TS]

00:48:56   everybody and this is the thing with [TS]

00:48:58   drugs to I mean there's a certain [TS]

00:48:59   percentage of people that said they [TS]

00:49:01   don't use them wrong and a and the great [TS]

00:49:06   majority of the vast majority of people [TS]

00:49:07   who would use them you know it's [TS]

00:49:09   somewhere on the sliding scale of from [TS]

00:49:11   good to like neutral though they are [TS]

00:49:14   prohibited from you so I feel like drugs [TS]

00:49:17   used improperly or INXS are you know are [TS]

00:49:22   bad just like television used in excess [TS]

00:49:25   is bad or the Bible used in excess is [TS]

00:49:27   bad but these things aren't inherently [TS]

00:49:30   bad and I i think if there were those [TS]

00:49:33   and the problem is that this is what [TS]

00:49:35   Timothy lyrics had 40 years ago except [TS]

00:49:37   he was such a stoner he was goofy he [TS]

00:49:39   absolutely law absolutely squandered the [TS]

00:49:43   opportunity was given and a lot of the [TS]

00:49:45   drug gurus squandered that opportunity [TS]

00:49:49   by becoming drug dipshit you know [TS]

00:49:52   yeah i mean i think if you're trying to [TS]

00:49:53   help somebody in a clinical basis it [TS]

00:49:55   shouldn't seem too much like you're at a [TS]

00:49:56   party and kind of confused [TS]

00:49:58   yeah and uh but it's gonna it's gonna [TS]

00:49:59   Sully it's gonna sell me the real [TS]

00:50:01   penetration of your wisdom if it is [TS]

00:50:04   really struggling if you're giggling a [TS]

00:50:05   lot you certainly certainly shouldn't [TS]

00:50:07   say things like you know we're going to [TS]

00:50:09   open everybody's mind and then it's [TS]

00:50:12   gonna be the end of war because you just [TS]

00:50:14   sound like an asshole not just crazy dry [TS]

00:50:16   talk but that but the problem is now we [TS]

00:50:19   have this incredible we have this [TS]

00:50:20   incredible up resource of all these [TS]

00:50:25   people like me who have used drugs and [TS]

00:50:28   now are not on drugs and the only way we [TS]

00:50:31   can think of as a culture to utilize the [TS]

00:50:34   collective wisdom of all these former [TS]

00:50:37   drunks and drug addicts is in this like [TS]

00:50:41   this recovery industry where all these [TS]

00:50:44   brilliant people who have used drugs [TS]

00:50:45   have to kind of secretly pretend have to [TS]

00:50:48   have to have to publicly pretend that [TS]

00:50:51   oh that was bad though yes the campsite [TS]

00:50:55   try to engage a people right right like [TS]

00:50:58   you you can go there and like you know [TS]

00:51:00   you can you know act like you don't [TS]

00:51:03   shoot anymore whatever but that may not [TS]

00:51:05   really stick you can keep it up for a [TS]

00:51:08   while but you're still gonna be thinking [TS]

00:51:10   about adhesives well except that no I'm [TS]

00:51:12   i mean i'm not interested in doing drugs [TS]

00:51:13   anymore and most people that you not use [TS]

00:51:15   it to people you're helping the but with [TS]

00:51:17   the people that I mean were the the [TS]

00:51:21   people who formerly used drugs are have [TS]

00:51:24   a collective wisdom that is worth more [TS]

00:51:27   to the population at large [TS]

00:51:29   who then it is being confined simply to [TS]

00:51:33   talking to people who are also [TS]

00:51:35   struggling with drugs you know what I'm [TS]

00:51:36   saying like I think it's a little it's [TS]

00:51:39   very unsubtle because basically what [TS]

00:51:40   you're saying is there's these million [TS]

00:51:42   different things that could be [TS]

00:51:43   problematic and then there's one way [TS]

00:51:44   that we've all just agreed is normal and [TS]

00:51:47   and so so it doesn't matter what [TS]

00:51:48   happened in the past we're going to [TS]

00:51:49   re-route you into this one thing which [TS]

00:51:52   is the normal that's part of what you're [TS]

00:51:56   saying I mean it's a little bit of what [TS]

00:51:58   I'm saying but I want that but the there [TS]

00:52:00   there's there's so much paranoia about [TS]

00:52:02   drug use on on the part of normals right [TS]

00:52:07   i mean for for every kid who is who is [TS]

00:52:11   who has a drug problem who needs someone [TS]

00:52:13   to step in and say kid you need to find [TS]

00:52:17   you need to find help for your drug [TS]

00:52:18   problem is a better outlet for every kid [TS]

00:52:21   like that there are five kids who really [TS]

00:52:24   should get high one [TS]

00:52:26   right you know and they're so scared of [TS]

00:52:29   what's gonna happen if they get high one [TS]

00:52:31   time or they got high and it was bad and [TS]

00:52:34   there was nobody there to help them [TS]

00:52:36   figure out what was happening that those [TS]

00:52:39   five kids are becoming those five kids [TS]

00:52:42   that don't have never gotten high or [TS]

00:52:44   four got high and had a bad experience [TS]

00:52:46   they grow up to be just as big a part of [TS]

00:52:50   the problem in America as the kid who's [TS]

00:52:53   struggling to to not die of drugs you [TS]

00:52:56   know and and the people that are off [TS]

00:52:59   drugs now and I think eventually i think [TS]

00:53:01   doing drugs should be a phase if you are [TS]

00:53:03   45 years old and you are still getting [TS]

00:53:05   high or frankly in my opinion drinking [TS]

00:53:08   yourself to sleep every night you should [TS]

00:53:11   stop doing those things you know but [TS]

00:53:13   there's a lot more try something or try [TS]

00:53:14   something different or well yeah you're [TS]

00:53:17   right it was your best the different [TS]

00:53:19   components something this is my this is [TS]

00:53:21   my point John is that you know you end [TS]

00:53:23   up in a proto hole and a lot of ways [TS]

00:53:24   like think about the times i don't know [TS]

00:53:26   if you've ever remember like in high [TS]

00:53:28   school having to go to like your [TS]

00:53:28   guidance counselor I don't think i ever [TS]

00:53:30   got any really great advice from my [TS]

00:53:33   guidance counselor's two pieces of [TS]

00:53:34   advice my guidance counselor gave me [TS]

00:53:36   that stuck with me [TS]

00:53:37   one of them was that I should probably [TS]

00:53:39   uh I should probably join the air force [TS]

00:53:42   in particular because he'd been in the [TS]

00:53:44   Air Force he says I have seen you in the [TS]

00:53:46   Air Force [TS]

00:53:47   yeah you have to be at the mustache you [TS]

00:53:49   have that blond mustache Air Force [TS]

00:53:51   mustache [TS]

00:53:51   it's true it's true and I you know what [TS]

00:53:54   he says he says he says you get free [TS]

00:53:55   clothes and and three squares a day [TS]

00:53:57   nothing wrong with that [TS]

00:53:58   three glasses but i mean this is this is [TS]

00:54:01   this is a problem with taking your [TS]

00:54:02   advice from a guidance counselor the [TS]

00:54:04   other one was that he said I should [TS]

00:54:05   probably go to community college because [TS]

00:54:07   you essentially get the same education [TS]

00:54:09   at a community college that you get as [TS]

00:54:10   any college in America which is in part [TS]

00:54:12   true and impart a dish is dangerously [TS]

00:54:15   untrue [TS]

00:54:15   yeah but that's the thing right here [TS]

00:54:18   here's here's where I try to make a [TS]

00:54:19   point you go to a guidance counselor [TS]

00:54:21   who's really into community colleges in [TS]

00:54:23   the Air Force you're going to get a [TS]

00:54:24   certain kind of answer [TS]

00:54:26   yeah this is his answer is if I could [TS]

00:54:28   make a big leaf here is not going to be [TS]

00:54:30   like you need to see a couple cartoon [TS]

00:54:32   cats and then have somebody talk to you [TS]

00:54:33   about it [TS]

00:54:34   so what I'm saying is because of the [TS]

00:54:36   wisdom that you have leaned over the [TS]

00:54:37   years often to your detriment you have [TS]

00:54:39   not to share [TS]

00:54:40   it's more than like some kind of like [TS]

00:54:41   you know I'm gonna go on and do my PSA [TS]

00:54:44   into work off the sentence there's [TS]

00:54:46   something much more profound going on [TS]

00:54:47   here mr. and then the difference between [TS]

00:54:49   your dumbass Florida guidance counselor [TS]

00:54:51   and me is that i highly recommend that [TS]

00:54:53   you join the airforce ok go to a [TS]

00:54:56   community college take some mushrooms [TS]

00:54:59   and then come talk to me because until [TS]

00:55:02   you've done those three things you're [TS]

00:55:04   not ready but if you have been in the [TS]

00:55:07   Air Force gone to community college [TS]

00:55:09   taking mushrooms and you have some [TS]

00:55:11   questions [TS]

00:55:12   I'm somebody that you can talk to and [TS]

00:55:13   that's also true if you have not joined [TS]

00:55:15   the air force or going to community [TS]

00:55:18   college or taking mushrooms you can come [TS]

00:55:19   talk to me them to your ear like i like [TS]

00:55:22   i don't like a cross between a like a [TS]

00:55:25   dell customer support person and like [TS]

00:55:28   the blind guy and confu and but I mean [TS]

00:55:31   like like like plus huffing and see that [TS]

00:55:34   this is the and I know you're not going [TS]

00:55:35   to be into this John and I understand [TS]

00:55:37   this is all the more reason you should [TS]

00:55:38   hear me out because maybe you should be [TS]

00:55:39   the one he's grabbing the pot with your [TS]

00:55:41   forearms and getting and getting heat [TS]

00:55:42   tattoos but I can walk across the rice [TS]

00:55:44   paper and not know I see that this is [TS]

00:55:47   the thing this is the thing John is I [TS]

00:55:48   always think i could walk across the [TS]

00:55:50   rest but i think i would tear the shit [TS]

00:55:51   out of that rice paper [TS]

00:55:52   yeah well you need to clip your nails [TS]

00:55:54   something about having a very have a [TS]

00:55:56   very light footfall I don't think that [TS]

00:55:58   will be a problem at all i don't cowboy [TS]

00:55:59   boots but here's i'm sure i guess their [TS]

00:56:02   mind being this point to death I'm just [TS]

00:56:03   saying that there are a lot of people [TS]

00:56:04   out there that probably should be a [TS]

00:56:05   little bit fucked up on a slightly [TS]

00:56:06   different kind of drug [TS]

00:56:08   maybe you could help people from an [TS]

00:56:09   economic standpoint maybe you could help [TS]

00:56:11   them [TS]

00:56:12   the thing is you have a peculiar truly [TS]

00:56:14   peculiar disturbing ability to know in [TS]

00:56:16   your heart whether it's right or wrong [TS]

00:56:18   what's fucked up about somebody like and [TS]

00:56:20   you tell them that but it doesn't always [TS]

00:56:21   think in and I'm thinking it could be [TS]

00:56:23   because they're all fucked up on [TS]

00:56:24   margaritas and what you could say to [TS]

00:56:26   them is listen Johnny when you sober up [TS]

00:56:28   we're going to get you fucked up on [TS]

00:56:29   something that would be much more useful [TS]

00:56:31   t exactly right and maybe that could be [TS]

00:56:34   some kind of like cocaine that's been [TS]

00:56:36   cut with broken glass and cheerios it [TS]

00:56:38   could be something where you take them [TS]

00:56:39   and get you get some Scotch Guard I got [TS]

00:56:42   a lot of people i think to just benefit [TS]

00:56:44   from like sustained holding of their [TS]

00:56:46   breath all just and let me speak with [TS]

00:56:49   students circle [TS]

00:56:50   no I go to I go to a lot of mexican [TS]

00:56:53   restaurants [TS]

00:56:53   I look in the bar portion as I'm walking [TS]

00:56:55   through to get to the restaurant portion [TS]

00:56:58   i look in there and I see all those gals [TS]

00:57:00   in there with the big cock there I see [TS]

00:57:02   cocktails and I think you just need to [TS]

00:57:04   hold your breath as long as you can then [TS]

00:57:08   do it again ever thought about building [TS]

00:57:11   models but I yeah there's there are so [TS]

00:57:17   many ways to change your to you know to [TS]

00:57:21   alter your state's yeah and and every [TS]

00:57:24   person has their own way like for me my [TS]

00:57:26   i mean i'm a i-i-i take a lot of bands [TS]

00:57:29   and I'm gonna yeah you really do it [TS]

00:57:32   seems like it's a it's not even [TS]

00:57:34   prophylactic it seems like it's extra [TS]

00:57:35   hygienic and hyper hyper o.o over [TS]

00:57:38   hygienic it's not a cleaning thing it's [TS]

00:57:40   a little cleaning and in fact sometimes [TS]

00:57:41   I will eat a meatball sandwich in the [TS]

00:57:43   bathtub and that is not a clean process [TS]

00:57:47   that is that is hereby give it a tray or [TS]

00:57:51   slit i have a small radio be available [TS]

00:57:55   there's there's going to be collateral [TS]

00:57:57   damage but it isn't about being Queen [TS]

00:58:01   it's not the city but it's about getting [TS]

00:58:03   mentally clean you understand I mean [TS]

00:58:06   you're in there and you are isn't a hot [TS]

00:58:07   sandwich it's a hot sandwich in a hot [TS]

00:58:10   tub so this timing involved you got into [TS]

00:58:12   waters the waters the right temperature [TS]

00:58:14   and you're in yours [TS]

00:58:15   I had I had a piece of pumpkin pie in my [TS]

00:58:18   bathroom and it was exactly it was what [TS]

00:58:21   I needed at my own psychopharmacologist [TS]

00:58:24   I said today your dosage is one hour in [TS]

00:58:29   the bathtub a slice of pumpkin pie and [TS]

00:58:32   the crossword puzzle from New York [TS]

00:58:34   Magazine you're operating on a whole [TS]

00:58:36   different level than my guidance [TS]

00:58:37   counselor you should be in every school [TS]

00:58:38   in America [TS]

00:58:39   well I've been saying that yeah i mean [TS]

00:58:42   could you pass a background check for [TS]

00:58:44   something like that you know here's my [TS]

00:58:46   feeling about background checks you go [TS]

00:58:48   in and you just lay it on the line you [TS]

00:58:50   just tell them the truth [TS]

00:58:52   they're not so interested as much and in [TS]

00:58:55   what you're doing is whether you're [TS]

00:58:56   lying about it [TS]

00:58:57   right exactly and they're afraid your [TS]

00:58:59   background checks date back to a time [TS]

00:59:01   when when uh the cultural norms were so [TS]

00:59:05   stratified at that that the threat of [TS]

00:59:08   blackmail was a real that was a real [TS]

00:59:12   fear that people had you know if you [TS]

00:59:14   were gay or if you had smoked marijuana [TS]

00:59:17   cigarette or if you had talked to a [TS]

00:59:19   communist and that information came out [TS]

00:59:22   it can be compromised you could be it [TS]

00:59:25   could be really be used against you [TS]

00:59:26   because your fear of being revealed [TS]

00:59:29   would cause you to you know make really [TS]

00:59:32   bad choices be under this person's [TS]

00:59:33   thought movie but the fact is no one [TS]

00:59:36   could say anything about me in public [TS]

00:59:38   that I haven't already said you know [TS]

00:59:40   there i don't have have no secret that [TS]

00:59:42   if somebody cannot said that John [TS]

00:59:45   Roderick back in 1993 rolled around in [TS]

00:59:49   bed with a guy who and then they touch [TS]

00:59:51   each other's PP soon I was it you have a [TS]

00:59:55   sob at the time i would go [TS]

00:59:57   it was great it was amazing he was a [TS]

00:59:59   dancer [TS]

00:59:59   dancer [TS]

01:00:00   he really was it was a dancer is this a [TS]

01:00:01   hypothetical no no this is a hundred [TS]

01:00:03   percent true have two new cards and that [TS]

01:00:06   and also because i was at 1993 1993 also [TS]

01:00:10   he was african-american and a dancer 23 [TS]

01:00:13   so a hundred games very handsome guy and [TS]

01:00:17   I think right now he's probably working [TS]

01:00:18   he's probably Paula Abdul stirrup pants [TS]

01:00:22   advisor club is it step it's right [TS]

01:00:26   because he was actually a gay person and [TS]

01:00:30   i was i was a pedestrian I was a I [TS]

01:00:33   wasn't an interloper or a and you're [TS]

01:00:37   just you're just a pedestrian or just [TS]

01:00:38   checking out the crosswalk happened was [TS]

01:00:40   I was I was a young guy and I was like [TS]

01:00:43   so what's so what's this all about what [TS]

01:00:45   is this what goes on here and and you [TS]

01:00:49   know so somebody's going to come up to [TS]

01:00:50   me in a trench coat and say I know what [TS]

01:00:53   you did and i'm going to say to you [TS]

01:00:56   because it was who wasn't so bad that's [TS]

01:01:00   not something somebody is gonna be able [TS]

01:01:01   to come up to you and say okay so I i [TS]

01:01:04   know i know that you touched ways with [TS]

01:01:06   Paula Abdul is efrain American stirrup [TS]

01:01:08   wrangler and therefore you have to give [TS]

01:01:11   me fifty dollars a month or what I guess [TS]

01:01:13   you're not allowed to play benefits in [TS]

01:01:14   Seattle and I'm right or you're going to [TS]

01:01:16   start passing us microfiche that's a [TS]

01:01:19   slippery slide around all ah that's that [TS]

01:01:23   that's that's bad for everybody and so [TS]

01:01:25   this is this is the problem see you you [TS]

01:01:27   are so you have so much honesty to share [TS]

01:01:29   with other people that I think you know [TS]

01:01:31   you don't want to put your candle under [TS]

01:01:32   a bushel basket [TS]

01:01:34   I mean you know and unless he's a dancer [TS]

01:01:35   I guess what is what my candle a lot of [TS]

01:01:38   places and they have but not but [TS]

01:01:40   nowadays you know you know I have this [TS]

01:01:42   pile of possibilities [TS]

01:01:44   you got a Bath coming up i do I have you [TS]

01:01:47   have there [TS]

01:01:48   the leaves are falling from the trees [TS]

01:01:50   somebody's got a rake those I could hire [TS]

01:01:52   one of the guys that drive by my house [TS]

01:01:53   every day with a in a truck with a big [TS]

01:01:56   sign on the side that says will rake [TS]

01:01:57   your leaves haha [TS]

01:01:59   now wait a minute later I want to do [TS]

01:02:02   that work myself because I that's how I [TS]

01:02:04   feel connected to the earth got John [TS]

01:02:06   connected a lot of thoughts the first of [TS]

01:02:08   all you're in the handjob district [TS]

01:02:10   there's something with a dancer and now [TS]

01:02:12   you're going to hire a guy to regulate [TS]

01:02:13   except you want to take care of yourself [TS]

01:02:14   now is that something you do in the bath [TS]

01:02:16   I don't rake my leaves in the bath I [TS]

01:02:18   wouldn't either way we're utilizing what [TS]

01:02:20   I'm saying and turning it into something [TS]

01:02:22   dirty no I'm just slicing yourself a [TS]

01:02:24   little bit if I could get a decent [TS]

01:02:26   meatball sub every time I draw a bath [TS]

01:02:29   who if I could just like wave a wave a [TS]

01:02:31   magic wand [TS]

01:02:32   yeah now wait a minute now I'm utilizing [TS]

01:02:34   know it's a magical thinking which we [TS]

01:02:36   never got back to but this is the [TS]

01:02:37   problem this is what Buddhism tries to [TS]

01:02:39   address you know it says it's okay to [TS]

01:02:41   want the bathroom okay want the meatball [TS]

01:02:42   sub but it's not bad to have goals that [TS]

01:02:45   you know maybe like to start your own [TS]

01:02:46   rally freaking business [TS]

01:02:48   I don't know your records not out but [TS]

01:02:50   I'm just saying I'm just know just for [TS]

01:02:52   the sake of argument i'm saying that [TS]

01:02:53   this is the problem right this is the [TS]

01:02:55   Duca as they say you know but I'm did [TS]

01:02:58   the fifty-dollar see my kind of a lot [TS]

01:02:59   for a hand job i know are you getting [TS]

01:03:01   that seems like a bargain price you [TS]

01:03:03   telling me this is a lunchtime special [TS]

01:03:04   i'm saying that the type of guy that [TS]

01:03:06   wants a hand job at lunch from another [TS]

01:03:09   person [TS]

01:03:09   yes who isn't just willing to go into [TS]

01:03:11   the stall in the bathroom where he works [TS]

01:03:13   and get a self-administered handjob [TS]

01:03:16   talking about like a leaf raker or dance [TS]

01:03:18   wrangler i'm talking about professional [TS]

01:03:21   shall be a yeah I'm talking about you [TS]

01:03:23   know i'm talking about an unregulated [TS]

01:03:25   abattoir okay but you're talking about [TS]

01:03:28   the lady at the desk or something it's [TS]

01:03:31   not going to be the lady at the desk [TS]

01:03:32   it's going to be a professional nail [TS]

01:03:35   salon employee okay and that there's a [TS]

01:03:39   certain you know I think that you forget [TS]

01:03:41   because you haven't had sex since 2001 [TS]

01:03:44   the least but another 911 fuck with my [TS]

01:03:48   balls part of the appeal of having sex [TS]

01:03:50   is the is the idea of taboo or the the [TS]

01:03:53   badness you are being a bad boy you're a [TS]

01:03:56   bad boy and to just sit in dirty dirty [TS]

01:04:00   sub to just sit in the in the stall at [TS]

01:04:03   work and self administer a handjob [TS]

01:04:06   there's there for a lot of guys that's [TS]

01:04:08   enough badness they're being bad and you [TS]

01:04:11   to set the feet though that part of the [TS]

01:04:15   badness is but something I [TS]

01:04:16   self-administering nah I understand your [TS]

01:04:20   imaginary friend [TS]

01:04:22   i I'm sorry I missed want your hand but [TS]

01:04:24   that would count as a handjob to really [TS]

01:04:26   write know that would count as [TS]

01:04:28   masturbated ok I i'm dead i was actually [TS]

01:04:31   go and get a hand job is to take several [TS]

01:04:33   steps to ward being dirty [TS]

01:04:37   that in and of itself is the appeal i [TS]

01:04:40   think to most guys a hand job itself the [TS]

01:04:42   woman that is administering it where the [TS]

01:04:45   man those are secondary [TS]

01:04:47   it's it's the steps that they take to [TS]

01:04:50   get there and to be dirty that are the [TS]

01:04:53   things that are really turning them on [TS]

01:04:55   doesn't make it less dirty to get a [TS]

01:04:56   discount because does not seem like a [TS]

01:04:58   little bit all it makes a dirtier you [TS]

01:05:00   getting a discounted handjob that simple [TS]

01:05:02   come on use your brain that started you [TS]

01:05:04   know my problem is like a ball of all [TS]

01:05:06   the things I've done I like my and I've [TS]

01:05:09   intercoursed you know in the past and [TS]

01:05:11   I've done things that are weird but I've [TS]

01:05:13   never I've never to my knowledge [TS]

01:05:15   compensated someone for a specific thing [TS]

01:05:19   you know I've help with the rent or I've [TS]

01:05:21   you to pick the flowers or something but [TS]

01:05:23   i haven't I don't think I've ever [TS]

01:05:24   specifically gone into a place that it [TS]

01:05:27   was intentionally built with handjobs in [TS]

01:05:30   mind and said i'd be interested in this [TS]

01:05:32   can you give me a little break on it [TS]

01:05:34   today it is lunch [TS]

01:05:36   well except your wedding chapel right i [TS]

01:05:38   mean that's the that's all wedding [TS]

01:05:39   chapel is running job right there [TS]