0:00:00the incomparable number 175 christmas
0:00:11welcome back to be uncomfortable
0:00:13podcasts are special flash cast edition
0:00:15meaning it's unedited unexpurgated we
0:00:18say stupid things and then you hear them
0:00:20we talk over each other and you hear
0:00:22that because it is Christmas and we're
0:00:24not giving doing the editing on
0:00:26Christmas in the incomparable podcast
0:00:28and contract and as we've done for the
0:00:30last several years were here very
0:00:32quickly talk about the Christmas episode
0:00:35of Doctor Who on the day that it air
0:00:38joining me I'm Jason smell your host as
0:00:40always i have four lovely guests David
0:00:44laura is here by David there Dan Morin
0:00:48is here I dan how many years will be
0:00:51doing this now too many years
0:00:52sooo many years what it's like it's like
0:00:55eight or nine years that doctor who's
0:00:57been doing it which it boggles my mind
0:00:59but wow really wasn't that long
0:01:01it's so it's been I don't think we I
0:01:03don't think we did a flash cast of of T
0:01:06david tennant's last episode I do
0:01:07believe we've done one for all of the
0:01:09mat smith specials so it's been awhile
0:01:12it's that it's already called well I
0:01:13heard you there hello yes I cannot
0:01:15believe that it's been three years of
0:01:17matt smith and and matt smith is gone is
0:01:19gone he's gone all right Pete and
0:01:22regenerated peace and that never happens
0:01:25and Scott McNulty is here hi Scott
0:01:28oh I thought this was the who cast about
0:01:30the flash so I'm woefully about the flag
0:01:33is this cindy lou who casts the button
0:01:37important here so who cast unfortunately
0:01:40that's flash gordon dr. seuss involved
0:01:42somehow about Flash Gordon yeah i mean
0:01:44the veronica was George about the flash
0:01:46earlier this makes perfect sense that it
0:01:49all comes together to bring it
0:01:51yeah that's what you do Scott that's why
0:01:52you're here try so well yeah so doctor
0:01:55who happened uh that this was the time
0:01:58of the doctor to go with the name of the
0:02:01doctor in the day of the doctor in this
0:02:02little trip th of moffitt eNOS as saying
0:02:09goodbye to matt smith i watch the BBC
0:02:12america version which is interesting
0:02:14because the last commercial break is at
0:02:16the worst possible moment
0:02:18that's always good where you have the
0:02:21climax and the shocking sudden
0:02:24resolution
0:02:24version of it that is interesting
0:02:26intercut with a bunch of commercials
0:02:28well gotta pay the bills wish they had
0:02:30cut it somewhere sooner than that so so
0:02:34Matt Smith is gone this is very strange
0:02:36I thought episode in terms that it is
0:02:38unlike almost every Christmas episode
0:02:41doctor who is done since Steven Moffat
0:02:44took over
0:02:45unlike any I think it Christmas
0:02:47Christmas seem to Christmas was in it
0:02:51because he he goes to a town called
0:02:53Christmas that is the Christmas macias
0:02:55place in the universe and and we have
0:02:59Clara making Christmas dinner for her
0:03:02family who have almost never seen that
0:03:05there they are
0:03:06but it didn't seem very Christmas we see
0:03:08to me it's it felt a you know just to
0:03:10start out it feels a little perfunctory
0:03:12to me like you know like some of the
0:03:13russell davis air especially smaller was
0:03:16like what's on Christmas i need to
0:03:17include a Christmas element but it's or
0:03:20didn't seem to be the point and in fact
0:03:21I thought that the the the fact that
0:03:24spoiler horn can I have a spoiler
0:03:29warning flash guess i don't know i hope
0:03:31it happened that the fatback should
0:03:33really lost you should really watch the
0:03:35episode the fact that that that
0:03:38Christmas Town is on trenzalore is a
0:03:40very strange connection of like oh it's
0:03:42this cute down a Christmas were the
0:03:44greatest battle in the universe and
0:03:45hundreds and thousands of people are
0:03:47going to be dead was the same place that
0:03:49seems very strange so any thoughts about
0:03:51just have the the Christmas e ness of
0:03:53this episode you know I thought it was
0:03:56strange but I actually love it i think
0:03:59it i have been kind of a sap for the
0:04:02russell t davies Christmas episodes
0:04:04where I kind of like the interest first
0:04:06and the holiness mixed with the
0:04:09outrageousness of oh it's Christmas or
0:04:12maybe not quite christmas is just a town
0:04:14called Christmas I I kind of like that
0:04:17that's acknowledged so blatantly
0:04:18actually where it's no it's July it just
0:04:21happens to be a town called Christmas so
0:04:24a also that we after several years of
0:04:27very very Christmasy episodes from
0:04:29Steven Moffat because we had you know
0:04:31what the christmas carol and the snowmen
0:04:34and was the other one was there another
0:04:37doctor the widow and a doctor with me we
0:04:39had a lot of really Christmassy episodes
0:04:41i feel like and so we sort of have you
0:04:45know I think he's got that out of his
0:04:46system and so we got something that was
0:04:48a little more doctor who even Christmas
0:04:50I guess
0:04:53david scott thought I was entertaining a
0:04:57politic silence haha i want all the way
0:05:02with us about all things christmas
0:05:03christmas on tonight
0:05:04I didn't mind that the 10 was called
0:05:07Christmas i didn't see a point to it but
0:05:09that was about the only thing i liked
0:05:12the show
0:05:13oh wow you know Todd done but some
0:05:17foreshadows right let's get changed
0:05:19let's let's get let's get out there you
0:05:23know this was a yeah yeah David i would
0:05:27like you to talk a little bit about your
0:05:29feelings i think that's as it as a host
0:05:31i'm going to ask i'm going to probe a
0:05:33little bit back for more about your
0:05:35negative feelings about this because you
0:05:37know as everybody knows out there any
0:05:38cover we don't always just rained down
0:05:41love on individual episodes of Doctor
0:05:43Who I love Doctor Who very much but I
0:05:45know some episodes are not so good so
0:05:47I'm fascinated to hear what David has to
0:05:48say well you know I was i I rewatched
0:05:52the name of the doctor and the day of
0:05:54the doctor leading up to it just to you
0:05:56know get it all fresh in my head and the
0:05:59more I thought about it today because i
0:06:01watch the stream from the BBC so I I've
0:06:04had like nine ten hours to fulminate
0:06:08you're in England
0:06:11yes yes I am me and deanna England we
0:06:18call the dog Indiana and it seems i mean
0:06:23even though all three episodes are
0:06:25written by steven moffat they all play
0:06:28as if they were written by complete
0:06:30strangers all had a bunch of you were
0:06:32you know that the British trenzalore
0:06:34Gallifrey graves regeneration you know
0:06:39it was just T words there was disliked
0:06:41know through line to any of them there's
0:06:44no connection and translator is just
0:06:46sort of random here and there and
0:06:48Gallifrey is randomly here in there and
0:06:50you know as much as I loved the day of
0:06:53the doctor and I did that is easily one
0:06:56of my favorite episodes of the whole new
0:06:58series old series any of it
0:07:00this is the complete opposite for me I
0:07:05just all the goodwill
0:07:07all everything that made up for
0:07:08everything that I was dissatisfied with
0:07:11Moffat for a while
0:07:12it's all in this episode it's like oh my
0:07:15god what did you do
0:07:17can we at least agree that the time of
0:07:19the doctor greater than the name of the
0:07:22doctor because I thought that one was
0:07:25among the nadir before the series and I
0:07:28everything in this that harken back to
0:07:30that I was like oh yeah that episode
0:07:32yeah where they brought up a bunch of
0:07:34stuff and now they've kind of right
0:07:36Conda bunch of stuff that happened there
0:07:37with ya need to try and make a little
0:07:40bit more sense you know name of the
0:07:42doctor is just incomprehensible but then
0:07:45things in this I mean we've gone from
0:07:48impossible Clara saving all the doctors
0:07:51too clever Clara too clueless idiot
0:07:55Clara in this one you know she just he
0:07:58keeps tricking her in sending her back
0:08:00she's got a turkey to cook ok you know
0:08:03you don't know if I'd call her idiots
0:08:06clue no Clara she's not by a long shot
0:08:08she's serving a sound or narrowing oh
0:08:10right she is and he's there for support
0:08:12she's not super Clara right to say it
0:08:14but she's not supposed to be super Clara
0:08:16anymore tonight
0:08:17also the report the report in the last
0:08:20couple episodes since the name of the
0:08:23doctor has been clearly different
0:08:24between them like since we went into the
0:08:27whole Clara's the impossible girl we've
0:08:29taken her out of the time vortex and
0:08:31just you know a little more stable and a
0:08:34little more normal i like this Clara I
0:08:36think she's not necessarily as
0:08:38fantastical or as manic pixie is some
0:08:41people may be liked about her original
0:08:43characters and some people disliked but
0:08:45i like the way that they are shaping her
0:08:47like how they're shaping her i like when
0:08:51she decides to ask for help versus when
0:08:53she decides to go off on her own
0:08:55I think the night it's a nice touch of
0:08:57her basically clinging onto the TARDIS
0:08:59for 300 years while it tries to make its
0:09:02way back to the doctor and the fact that
0:09:04she looks you know very upset but at the
0:09:07same time you know what you're worth it
0:09:09it's I'm i signed up for for a task and
0:09:12I'm obligated to see it through
0:09:15did anybody else think she's gonna be
0:09:16really old when they would you give
0:09:19actually there was something about the
0:09:20whiting that almost from when
0:09:21he kept shooting her from behind while
0:09:22she's holding onto the TARDIS
0:09:24kinektron maker show that she was cold
0:09:26like she was like programs were kind of
0:09:28photos to meet her here to me your hair
0:09:30look gray and maybe it was just the
0:09:32coloring of what i was looking out but
0:09:33it was the Frog yeah but still it was it
0:09:36was I was like oh my god what if she
0:09:37turns around and she's president she's
0:09:39like 80 now said you know I mean I think
0:09:41that would be creepy twists I mean
0:09:45lockers been on there for 300 years and
0:09:47Clara is clearly a normal human girl
0:09:49possible
0:09:51not any more experienced a normal girl
0:09:53impossible possible
0:09:54she's at that point is that blood
0:09:56improbable girl employment no applause
0:10:00look at that point the thought I was
0:10:01just shaking my head so I mean I didn't
0:10:03I didn't buy anything that led up to
0:10:05that point so I wasn't buying the point
0:10:07really
0:10:07no that's not that had some major
0:10:10problems with the whole oh we're so the
0:10:13spoiler horn with Scott off so you know
0:10:15the whole point of the Gallifrey is
0:10:17sending a signal through the crack in
0:10:19the universe that no one can decipher
0:10:22but you would think that they would want
0:10:24the one person they're sending the
0:10:26signal to to be able to decipher it but
0:10:28he can't decipher it a bunch of Superman
0:10:31she began head can so we can pause for a
0:10:34second because the Cyberman head is very
0:10:36very strange and I'm not really sure
0:10:38where that came from and I was really
0:10:39like to know i will not have any that
0:10:41anything Bad's said about handle sandals
0:10:43adorable i just don't know I was just um
0:10:46I'm just like to be there with ya in
0:10:48terms of the signal that made complete
0:10:51sense to me because the idea being that
0:10:52Gallifrey has been erased from this
0:10:54world and is long dead and everyone has
0:10:56basically forgotten Gallifreyan
0:10:59including the doctor himself
0:11:01I mean that seems entirely logical to me
0:11:03and also no one's really looking forward
0:11:06all they know is that whatever this
0:11:08transmission is its filling them with
0:11:10dread which I mean if you heard a
0:11:13language that you were expecting to be
0:11:15long dead and maybe it was coded into
0:11:17you bye-bye all of your evil ancestors
0:11:20to be like hey if you ever hear this
0:11:22language again maybe run in terror
0:11:25because it might signal the end universe
0:11:27don't evil ancestors those so the Time
0:11:30Lords are bastards generally so is it
0:11:32really bad for
0:11:33the rest of the the races in the
0:11:35University not want the Time Lords to
0:11:37come back know what I mean that's what
0:11:39makes it kind of interesting to me is
0:11:40the fact that it's left and he's like
0:11:42it's left in that stalemate situation
0:11:43right where it's he's not bringing the
0:11:46back and he's also not you know not
0:11:49bringing you know he's guy he's the
0:11:51doctors kinda like the one guy standing
0:11:52in the middle there and I think he
0:11:54doesn't wanna bring the back in part
0:11:55because they'll get killed but in part
0:11:56because they're also damn jerks and
0:11:58we'll start the entire time we're all
0:12:00over again and i think the part that's
0:12:03what the prior episode to this the 50th
0:12:05anniversary episode kind of sets up is
0:12:07its Gallifrey is a horrible horrible
0:12:10place but there are also things worth
0:12:12redeeming about it and you know David
0:12:15thought that was step one in terms of
0:12:17Gallifrey can be looked on as a
0:12:19potential location a potential place for
0:12:22good again this is step two in i'm no
0:12:25longer willing to sacrifice Gallifrey
0:12:28because of what I have been through
0:12:29prior to this step three is do we ever
0:12:33see them get another chance and I think
0:12:35that's what the next season will really
0:12:36grapple with except for its profit
0:12:39actually I just want to say that when
0:12:42fleischmann has joined us now out here i
0:12:45think i heard breathing hello it it's
0:12:47just a model very well just thinking
0:12:53about started by going to stop the
0:12:54conversation I was thinking that the
0:12:56that you know everyone's afraid of
0:12:58Gallifrey who's afraid of the big bad
0:13:01Gallifrey but the problem was the whole
0:13:03point of the the end of the University
0:13:05episode was the Daleks of all destroyed
0:13:07themselves are going to love everyone
0:13:09blew up everyone else they think and
0:13:11Gallifrey is hidden somewhere but then
0:13:13you have this issue of the Daleks can
0:13:15never die so now you have this whole of
0:13:17previously you know seen reform Dalek
0:13:21army that's massive it has a huge amount
0:13:23of force and can bring in more and more
0:13:25reinforcements and all the bad guys this
0:13:27i remember there they apparently were
0:13:28never destroy even though we saw that in
0:13:30previous episodes was one cyber at left
0:13:32and so forth so we're left with all the
0:13:35villains back and in their full evil
0:13:37strength
0:13:38no I don't think they are at all
0:13:40actually I think I mean clearly they're
0:13:42they're back in there around but that's
0:13:44established in years and years of cannon
0:13:46where
0:13:46it's you know these enemies will never
0:13:48truly die they're just slowly rebuilding
0:13:50themselves back up the Daleks are clear
0:13:53i mean if the Daleks we're at full
0:13:54strength the entire planet would be
0:13:56surrounded by Dalek armies instead we
0:13:58have maybe one or two ships of Daleks
0:13:59and one ship of what looked like
0:14:02hibernating Cyberman well but that's
0:14:04ridiculous then bring the Time Lords
0:14:05back in the blow a couple big ships out
0:14:07of the air and I mean I think that's the
0:14:08flaws like is it if there's not a
0:14:10massive Dalek army out there then bring
0:14:12back the full strength of Gallifrey and
0:14:14just what model phrase not at full
0:14:16strength either gal phrase I'm hiding in
0:14:17a pocket dimension for years and years
0:14:19and probably tell it wasn't anything
0:14:21there for example they got those people
0:14:24weapons and lasers and stuff so yeah
0:14:26you're talking about
0:14:27here's the thing about about the the
0:14:29dollars in the toilet is the dogs aren't
0:14:31going to disappear forever so the
0:14:32original sacrifice that the end of the
0:14:34time was very impressive because we
0:14:36killed them both but of course they
0:14:37couldn't stay dead so they brought him
0:14:38back and they got bigger and bigger and
0:14:40bigger
0:14:40at which point you have this weird
0:14:42conundrum of well I sacrificed you know
0:14:46this damn the time-worn destroy the
0:14:47Daleks too but they weren't destroyed so
0:14:49why did i do that and I felt like the
0:14:5250th anniversary episode tried to undo
0:14:54some of that right i will say it where I
0:14:57agree with David is what I really liked
0:15:00about the 50th was it it's sort of put
0:15:02Gallifrey out there and said that's
0:15:03where I'm working and then I look at
0:15:05this episode I'm like really it's the
0:15:07entire plot device of the very next
0:15:09episode I was really disappointed by
0:15:11that because i was hoping i would be a
0:15:12new direction for the show and become
0:15:14out there and instead it just now I look
0:15:16back on the 50th and it actually devalue
0:15:18the little for me because now it feels
0:15:19like sort of a cheap set up for the next
0:15:21episode which is not at all what I was
0:15:24hoping for anyway
0:15:26but but I do i do take the point that
0:15:28you know it's an interesting place we
0:15:31get to where the Daleks if if he's got
0:15:35the ability to let the Time Lords out of
0:15:37the bottle which he wants to do well
0:15:39eventually but he realizes if he doesn't
0:15:41hear all that happens is the time where
0:15:43comes back so he's not here to do it he
0:15:45had a plot device you have to do which
0:15:47is they got they had to figure out how
0:15:48you get another regeneration without
0:15:50bringing the value our din yet last
0:15:52value is less to come in the Canon
0:15:54somewhere now I didn't know
0:15:56well there's a little talk about
0:15:59well you they mentioned him in the name
0:16:01of the doctors that was one thing I was
0:16:03sitting there thinking wait a minute let
0:16:05me know many of the value and already
0:16:06the values the post regeneration that's
0:16:09the lessee to lean mice between my
0:16:10twelfth and last which now goes on have
0:16:14remember exactly so it's it never needs
0:16:16to be dealt with the morning i'm not
0:16:18there for the master to write down
0:16:20everything her generation a freedom but
0:16:22river gave him one of her regeneration
0:16:24energy which was limited so we actually
0:16:26already did a regeneration just an
0:16:27account because it wasn't his own right
0:16:29we go around regeneration of the 10th
0:16:32doctor without his own that was
0:16:34something yet with the Dixie Mafia
0:16:35definitely had so here's here's the
0:16:37thing I i I'm mostly going to agree with
0:16:41David here as an episode i think this is
0:16:43work i think a lot of moments worked in
0:16:45it one of the things that bothered me
0:16:46about it though was I felt like Steven
0:16:49Moffat was checking boxes off and the
0:16:52regeneration thing he was checking that
0:16:54box off
0:16:55I think he wanted he wanted to clear the
0:16:56decks of all the sort of like loose
0:16:58threads of the Matt Smith era to the
0:17:00point where there's that scene in the in
0:17:02the haunted hotel episode where he looks
0:17:04inside room 11 and and sees what's in
0:17:08there his greatest fear and says of
0:17:10course it's you and then we never see it
0:17:12there's a flashback to that in this
0:17:14episode that shows that it's the crack
0:17:16because I said like check check check I
0:17:17want to close out all the loops i wanna
0:17:19i wanna mark everything off all he does
0:17:21he does all of that but you know it it
0:17:24just reinforces the old line that
0:17:27sometimes the mystery is better than the
0:17:28solution to the mystery because I felt
0:17:30like that was what we were watching as a
0:17:31writer checking off boxes but I was
0:17:33really really glad he did it for a
0:17:35couple things because that stupid who
0:17:36blew up the TARDIS thing has been
0:17:38sitting and I know remind me to isn't
0:17:40there was driving like either like well
0:17:42recently I was like you never explained
0:17:44that did they like it sends the
0:17:46officially licensed now but they're just
0:17:48priest and they're just priests anyway
0:17:51Clayton I love the idea of so here's the
0:17:56thing about the entire Matt Smith era
0:17:57and the plot of the silence and the
0:17:59great intelligence and silence of
0:18:01holland cetera
0:18:02I think Steven Moffat came up with a
0:18:04brilliant idea which is the you know
0:18:06there's this church and I skin at church
0:18:10has been friendly for the doctor for the
0:18:12long time
0:18:12I'm and then a schism of this church
0:18:14after seeing what happens at trenzalore
0:18:16discover decides no this cannot happen
0:18:19we're gonna go back in time and screw
0:18:22with the doctor to prevent him either
0:18:24from a ever getting to trenzalore be
0:18:26making sure he dies at trends lore and
0:18:28this you know the answer to this
0:18:30question is never had answered because
0:18:31we don't want Gallifrey to come back
0:18:34into the world when you look at his
0:18:36storyline literal linearly it's like oh
0:18:38man that's actually a really cool story
0:18:40line
0:18:40the problem is he's been dealing it out
0:18:42and tiny bits and pieces throughout this
0:18:44entire season so we finally get the
0:18:46interesting you know in important parts
0:18:49in this episode where it's like yeah
0:18:51this is a church that the doctor was you
0:18:53know it vitally integrated with because
0:18:56we've seen them before we've seen them
0:18:57when the Angels first popped up
0:18:59we've seen them elsewhere too although
0:19:01they've never been named the sect was
0:19:03the sect that kidnapped melody like
0:19:05there's there's so many little bits and
0:19:08pieces that have been hidden truck all
0:19:10throughout this series but it's well no
0:19:12it's just the it just wasn't put
0:19:13together properly did this
0:19:15yeah i'm gonna get out there was a good
0:19:17pit that the fact that they always
0:19:18thought that the silence was trying to
0:19:20portray itself as the good guys right
0:19:22there is a recurring theme of the
0:19:23silence as evil as they come across and
0:19:26as sort of cruel and unpleasant and and
0:19:28sadistic that they actually see
0:19:30themselves like no no we're saving the
0:19:32universe here like we were were awful
0:19:34awful people but the point is that
0:19:36you're going to destroy the universe and
0:19:38we're not having any and that was kind
0:19:40of in that was sort of reaffirmed here
0:19:41in a slightly nicer way
0:19:43well I kind of agree with Ren that I
0:19:44think this story looks it looks good
0:19:46from like 30,000 feet
0:19:47the problem is if usually not any
0:19:49particular point the execution kind of
0:19:51falls down at it it's like I mean like
0:19:52going afterwards I was like reading the
0:19:54wikipedia articles trying to remember
0:19:55all these various like things that
0:19:57happens like that's kind of cool that
0:19:58there are these tiebacks to all these
0:20:00things and there is kind of a long
0:20:01jesting plot when you look at it from
0:20:03like zoomed out but i agree that you
0:20:06know on am less macro level when you're
0:20:08actually in those episodes a lot of them
0:20:10don't go as well as you would hope but
0:20:12it is a cool idea was ambitious it just
0:20:14did fail whatever makes go ahead never
0:20:17anyways okay that never at any point did
0:20:19I feel like I was seeing the resolution
0:20:24of something that had been set up
0:20:26it felt to me like those were just
0:20:28didn't mean honestly it felt a little
0:20:29bit like this is a writer who got taken
0:20:32by surprise about the quick departure of
0:20:34his star and felt need to wrap
0:20:35everything up in an episode and i don't
0:20:37think the facts bear that out and yet it
0:20:39felt like that like like this wasn't on
0:20:42him the master plans final act so much
0:20:44as I want to I want to tie up some loose
0:20:47ends in passing for the fans on my way
0:20:50out and and that was gonna be my other
0:20:51larger point about this is i oftentimes
0:20:53when this since they've been doing
0:20:56Christmas episodes of Doctor Who there's
0:20:59a lot of criticism those episodes
0:21:00because they're these big loud
0:21:01spectacles and their emotional and
0:21:04there's explosions and at the end you
0:21:05know everybody's had a good time but
0:21:07it's not like it there can be kind of
0:21:09runaround and they're just kind of fun
0:21:10and and what shocked me about this
0:21:13episode is that it's just totally not
0:21:15that it this is a for the fans take off
0:21:18all the boxes resolve strange plot holes
0:21:21and I and I think a regular kind of more
0:21:23casual viewer who's watching this
0:21:25especially you know on the BBC on on on
0:21:28christmas eve and christmas night is a
0:21:31would be like what the heck was that in
0:21:33contrast to the most of the previous
0:21:36episodes it just felt very very much
0:21:38like it was about fans and continuity
0:21:39and the show itself and that's you know
0:21:42that's fine it is a regeneration episode
0:21:44but it surprised me that it didn't make
0:21:46more of an attempt to have a story that
0:21:48held together more than just by the fact
0:21:51that you can go oh that's why it said
0:21:52silence will fall on oh that's why
0:21:54Madame Kovarian was bad and now it's
0:21:56that crack man but did this kill us that
0:21:58like if I mean so the the day of the
0:22:00doctor was so good i mean i-i don't die
0:22:02what's on the flash caster that everyone
0:22:04hated it
0:22:04no it was so good and i loved i thought
0:22:07it was developing it was be it was
0:22:08beautiful and the cinematography even
0:22:11like it felt like a movie and it was big
0:22:15in scope and it tied up a million loose
0:22:17ends and it didn't drive us nuts even
0:22:19that weird weird Tom Baker thing in this
0:22:21one I'm like oh they brought back Amelia
0:22:23for like just a little like by like all
0:22:26come on it's always we are not that was
0:22:28beautiful and it was the best thing that
0:22:30I've seen was the best thing in the
0:22:31entire pie how is ours and
0:22:339 I did not like that when we were young
0:22:36we don't worry probably died again why I
0:22:38like maybe comes out it was not there
0:22:41was time he beginning yeah yeah
0:22:43to be perfectly honest Jason I agree
0:22:45with you in a large part in that it
0:22:46doesn't it does not feel like a
0:22:49resounding and our episode but i think
0:22:52that was his intention i think that
0:22:55Moffat was looking at this as alright
0:22:58this is the send-off to matt smith and
0:22:59it's going to be beautiful and it's
0:23:01going to incorporate all the former
0:23:02enemies and we're gonna tie up the the
0:23:04story thread because we're finally going
0:23:06to find out about the silence and we're
0:23:08going to find out why his name is the
0:23:10most important question in the universe
0:23:12because really when you think about it
0:23:14throughout the previous seasons of the
0:23:16show you're like really his name really
0:23:18but here it actually makes some
0:23:20semblance of sense
0:23:21the problem is in the execution like I
0:23:23liked this episode and I thought it was
0:23:25fun but as a as an arc tire it didn't
0:23:28really work as you know anything more
0:23:30than a collection of beautiful moments
0:23:32it didn't quite work
0:23:34I like that we're seeing more of Clara I
0:23:36hope that we'll see more of her you know
0:23:38in her you know competent self in future
0:23:42episodes but I think Moffat as you said
0:23:45Jason you know kind of looked back at
0:23:48this entire storyline is like well i
0:23:50tried to do something big and ambitious
0:23:52and it didn't quite work out the way I
0:23:54had planned it so but we still need to
0:23:57give it a good send-off and we want to
0:23:59move into stage two which is all about
0:24:01Gallifrey and I really don't think also
0:24:03that I that this sort of introduction
0:24:06Misty's of Gallifrey was just the entire
0:24:09payoff that we're going to see what did
0:24:11the doctor
0:24:11no no I mean like I don't even think
0:24:13that it was supposed to be so much like
0:24:15we're gonna blow our wad so soon after
0:24:17showing all of this it's very much a
0:24:20here we just want to make sure that you
0:24:22understand that Gallifrey is not going
0:24:25away anytime soon that we didn't just
0:24:27bring in Gallifrey for day of the doctor
0:24:29as a like look we can do really
0:24:32beautiful epic stories but never going
0:24:34to mention it again for 10 more episodes
0:24:35I think Moffat really wants to keep make
0:24:38sure viewers understand that the world
0:24:40is changing and the scope is changing
0:24:42its not just going to be little mini
0:24:43arcs about you know Daleks for three
0:24:46episodes or Cybermen
0:24:47three episodes we're going to delve into
0:24:48a giant more unified connected universe
0:24:51and I'm really excited for that
0:24:52assuming he can pull it off i did--like
0:24:54i think that i was surprised to find out
0:24:56what the what why there was a question
0:24:58the question and answer finally made
0:25:00sense like why is the question Doctor
0:25:02Who I like oh it's a password because
0:25:04it's the only thing in the universe that
0:25:06the Time Lords could actually rely on as
0:25:09something that only one person
0:25:10ostensibly nose in a river song or
0:25:12something maybe Clara and that memory
0:25:14was erased from her
0:25:15I thought clear was about to go over and
0:25:17get the recovered memory from the
0:25:18journey to the center of the TARDIS and
0:25:20say oh it's you know it's Phil Phil
0:25:23Jones and you know a little letting that
0:25:25she wouldn't let in the the Time Lords
0:25:28though because she knows that is not
0:25:29what the doctor ordered
0:25:30she's there to save the doctor and she
0:25:32didn't dr. even though her timelines a
0:25:34race because she never went to
0:25:35trenzalore and got into his timeline so
0:25:37it's time that timeline still exists
0:25:40that time I mean hurt her prime timeline
0:25:43still exists yeah but she has never
0:25:45jumped into whether some future point he
0:25:46comes back and it comes back again and
0:25:48this is crazy but here's the thing Scott
0:25:51our IT expert can tell us about the
0:25:53wisdom of using your name as a password
0:25:55for anything let alone the uniform right
0:25:57i did when i was watching this I thought
0:25:59that's an awful password
0:26:01well I mean the password destroys the
0:26:03University Ansan you know I mean from
0:26:06from the beginning since he's been in
0:26:07charge of muffins just love doing the
0:26:09little doctor who ya jokes which I and
0:26:13every time I've wanted to throw
0:26:15something at the TV and you had you know
0:26:17what 46 years where we managed to not do
0:26:21that and now every other week he's
0:26:24making up for lost time that he needs to
0:26:27that door you know it's like I'm seeing
0:26:32him do this it's like oh don't do it
0:26:34don't do it and then of course he keeps
0:26:36getting it you know building thinking
0:26:37more about the bright side man he's
0:26:39gotten it all of his system no probably
0:26:41not everything's good but you know it's
0:26:43it's really exciting that he's got
0:26:45Gallifrey but then he's basically put
0:26:49Matt Smith's doctor in stasis for 300
0:26:52years
0:26:53what kept you know you know well i
0:26:57managed to solve this impossible thing
0:26:58in the last episode with all 13
0:27:00mean for all 12 incarnations well all 13
0:27:03really i was 10 and now this time he's
0:27:05just gonna stay here for 300 years what
0:27:08do you think something he thinks he's
0:27:09dead
0:27:10I don't see it but I don't want his part
0:27:14no of course but i mean i think the
0:27:15doctor at some point is when he realizes
0:27:18that it's Gallifrey with that moment
0:27:21work early on when when the Cybermen is
0:27:23like Gallifrey seeing Matt Smith's face
0:27:27fall is Paris second only to the what
0:27:30planet is this trenzalore where it's at
0:27:32step one of him just basically like
0:27:34being like run this is this is important
0:27:39and this is a problem and of Gallifrey
0:27:40is back then i'm going to have to deal
0:27:42with a lot of problems will be soon not
0:27:44imagine it's like my everything caught
0:27:47up with me kind of like I've been
0:27:48running in keeping one step ahead of
0:27:50everything for so long and now we can no
0:27:52longer run but how does that connect to
0:27:54the last episode that ends with him
0:27:56going i'm gonna go find it
0:27:58did he did he found it it's great yeah
0:28:01it's right it's right here and now he's
0:28:05taking care of it with the only way but
0:28:07he knows how which is unfortunately the
0:28:09end of his life staying in one place
0:28:11guarding it from the onslaught of
0:28:13potential the universe's monsters
0:28:17waiting to crush his people he doesn't
0:28:19want to bring his people back but he
0:28:20doesn't want to just abandon him to die
0:28:22and other hand the village like how many
0:28:24people are in that village they keep
0:28:25getting killed and shot the building and
0:28:27Loan up and they just keep those are
0:28:29they make a worthy crossovers quiet
0:28:31Martin I think about coming this is just
0:28:33a metaphor for the war on Christmas
0:28:35yeah just keep in mind they should've
0:28:38run dismissed oh my gods gods but I'm
0:28:42yes found it now but he was hopeful at
0:28:45the end of the last one he was hoping to
0:28:47find yeah and so he finds it and he's
0:28:49depressed to put night I don't like
0:28:52solitaire found a surrounded by every
0:28:55enemy that he ever faced i mean i-i
0:28:57would be kind of the rest if I found my
0:28:59home like that to also but it's not
0:29:02hurting and the dollars on the table for
0:29:07one at a time folks the time just got a
0:29:09little more Killy as any kinda in the in
0:29:11the day the doctors killing all kinds of
0:29:13Daleks and so forth
0:29:14this one is like high every generated
0:29:16boom you're dead you're dead in the UU
0:29:18whole ship you're dead to it seems a
0:29:20little romantic dollars go and they're
0:29:22not how you know this but its shade off
0:29:24a little
0:29:25it's come you know usually save it save
0:29:27diverse at the end of you know drivers
0:29:29trying to destroy everything in the
0:29:30University reached out his hand now get
0:29:32your chance but after after nine hundred
0:29:34years he's tired as a crap and I did I
0:29:36didn't like the fact that Steven Moffat
0:29:37took the opportunity with a doctor
0:29:39leaving to say what I and obviously this
0:29:42is what he did he said what what can i
0:29:43do that i can't do in any other episode
0:29:45one of the things haven't been there for
0:29:46hundreds of years and get old because
0:29:49it's the last episode he's gonna
0:29:51regenerate at the end anyway I'm and so
0:29:53I thought that was a fun conceit that
0:29:54although it can't shave his head too
0:29:57yeah that's why not why not just for fun
0:30:00it's a wig which it was because his his
0:30:02hair was too short so we had to wear
0:30:03wigs so they just have him wear a wig I
0:30:05you know bien yet and yet i will i watch
0:30:08the first 40 minutes or so thinking you
0:30:12know this is but this is so strange it's
0:30:14just like how did we end up here how do
0:30:16we end up with him forever in this town
0:30:18in this in a stalemate and maybe some of
0:30:20it was just like I I couldn't it wasn't
0:30:23that the idea of him being in a
0:30:24stalemate where he can't make the
0:30:25decision because all the options are bad
0:30:28was a bad idea it's just that the the
0:30:31way we got into it I felt like it was
0:30:33kinda like we stumbled into it and I
0:30:35felt like there were there were no
0:30:36decisions really being made it just sort
0:30:38of happened and now he was stuck there
0:30:40and yes to Rennes point the idea that
0:30:42the doctor could willingly you know we
0:30:45could not figure his way out of a
0:30:47situation for hundreds and hundreds of
0:30:49years also seems kind of crazy other
0:30:50matt smith seems to be you know the
0:30:52doctor who enjoy is taken some taking
0:30:54some leisure time off on his own so
0:30:57maybe this was his retirement he didn't
0:30:59you know he didn't want to go so he said
0:31:01and I'll solution Marysol there too
0:31:03yeah we also know that he kind of loses
0:31:05his head when it comes to Gallifrey you
0:31:07know who's never thought calmly about
0:31:09that just like your cameraman
0:31:12yeah i agree about the execution part
0:31:15where it comes to the idea that it i can
0:31:18picture an episode that pulls that
0:31:20conceit off much better in terms of
0:31:22feeling like you're entrench but in this
0:31:24one we keep popping back and forth right
0:31:26so there's not that feel
0:31:28thing because the the siege of it is
0:31:30condensed to you know montage
0:31:32essentially yeah
0:31:33whereas it could be a lot different if
0:31:35you were like you you know didn't have
0:31:37those constant pressure valve releases
0:31:39where we go and see Clarence family or
0:31:41go up to the ship to talk to the nun
0:31:42that you know if you really felt like oh
0:31:44my God we're in the trenches here and
0:31:46he's like staying here because this is
0:31:47the only thing he can do to keep these
0:31:49people alive and to keep the you know
0:31:51the Time Lords life i think that could
0:31:52have been pulled off a lot better i
0:31:53don't mind that the idea i just i think
0:31:55the execution
0:31:56that's all I was horrible at time travel
0:31:57or time ironically time travel
0:32:00he's been horrible at opposite sides
0:32:01that span a long time period pieces yeah
0:32:05he's facing his pacing goes all the way
0:32:07out the window whenever he's trying to
0:32:09do something epic look at a look at what
0:32:12was the first Amy and Rory one with the
0:32:14with the Pandora's box that was like
0:32:18lets span thousands of years and yeah
0:32:20anytime he employs a narrator you know
0:32:23that the episode is going to be weeping
0:32:24I was going to mention the narrator and
0:32:26say that I thought this was very strange
0:32:28because Tasha LEM the the mother
0:32:31superious not superior also known as
0:32:34mrs. Bishop from fringe
0:32:36oh yeah Walter bishops wife and Peter's
0:32:39much is the narrator here she's the the
0:32:42disappearance of the papal mainframe and
0:32:45i found that weird because it's a
0:32:46character we don't know she um she turns
0:32:50into a Dalek at one point and yet she
0:32:52comes back later in a Dalek again which
0:32:54also doesn't make any sense and and she
0:32:56continues narrating and then she just
0:32:58and then her narration stops at one
0:32:59point I found that I found that really
0:33:01bizarre because it was like trying to
0:33:03make it like a fairy tale like Steven
0:33:04Moffat has done with dr. had several
0:33:06points and I I don't mind that
0:33:08and yet it seemed weird really weird and
0:33:10inconsistent like it didn't it didn't
0:33:12really belong but there was no other way
0:33:14for him to get this to the story to make
0:33:17any sort of sense and and we don't even
0:33:19know who she is nor is it really reveal
0:33:21to she is and and the interaction that
0:33:23he has with her is also we felt to me
0:33:25like she's almost river song with the
0:33:27name changed which which seemed bizarre
0:33:29to me and I kept waiting for a line
0:33:31where she said well you know I'm
0:33:32actually just you know river song with a
0:33:35hologram projection or I'm the uploaded
0:33:38river song from the library in a you
0:33:40know you know it
0:33:41in the papal mainframe or something and
0:33:42there was just sort of nothing it's just
0:33:43kind of left there which was very seems
0:33:45a little bit the end at the end of said
0:33:47she gives a little bit about like she
0:33:49was almost a companion but didn't quite
0:33:51get there but you're right it's almost
0:33:52as if they'd written apart for Alex what
0:33:54you're facing an ATM
0:33:55thank you Alex Kingston and then decided
0:33:57not to cast her she can do it had that
0:33:59feel like I'm missing like in the day
0:34:02the doctors like something's missing
0:34:04here there's a piece because she's too
0:34:06familiar and he's both to enter an order
0:34:08enough it was wait and river got you
0:34:10know I thought rivers final scene in
0:34:11name of the doctor was great and that
0:34:13that was a good ending for her and if we
0:34:15see her again out of sequence that's
0:34:17fine I don't need to see her
0:34:18I think feel like that's our final death
0:34:20but but he just touched so that the
0:34:23narration was weird and the character
0:34:24was weird and which is not to say that
0:34:26the the character didn't do some
0:34:28interesting things but I you know that
0:34:30was one of those seasons they just stuck
0:34:31out like a sore thumb especially so full
0:34:33of thin characters though is like you go
0:34:35into the spillage they have a really
0:34:36good get the really hilarious exchange
0:34:38about the truth field and in the
0:34:39explanation of why there would be a
0:34:40truth field like okay i bought it i was
0:34:42not a great gimmick and then it's
0:34:44essentially totally dropped in the
0:34:46villagers are cardboard that get blown
0:34:47up after that point with little
0:34:48exceptions even you know Clarence family
0:34:52I'm like it's Donna's family it's the
0:34:54mother who's the Shrew is trying to get
0:34:56them married the grandmother who's all
0:34:58got folk wisdom and like Bernard
0:35:00Cribbins and so for someone like I
0:35:02didn't feel like there was any
0:35:03uniqueness in the family and the
0:35:06villages for backdrop and the and they
0:35:07added new characters in there so it i
0:35:10don't know and they really should be
0:35:10Clara and the doctor they kept
0:35:12separating them so kind of waiting for
0:35:13things to happen
0:35:14I just thought they lost some of the
0:35:15core there because it's not that he
0:35:18wouldn't keep trying to send her away
0:35:18but when they sent her away like four
0:35:20times or something I was relieved though
0:35:22that they did finally get the turkey out
0:35:23of there because i was waiting for the
0:35:24fans to be like a turkey is still cold
0:35:27nevermind connected the bone to the NICU
0:35:29now I don't like this game even her
0:35:33family is sitting there for 300 years
0:35:34waiting for her to come back i had when
0:35:37i saw handles I thought handles I was
0:35:39merely thinking Tommy know Tom Hanks
0:35:40it's well she is that the beautiful
0:35:43I just enjoyed the the exchange with the
0:35:45cart is irrelevant was like that better
0:35:48information in here
0:35:51that was my face of the interactions of
0:35:53the rest of the show I was like well
0:35:54they bonded there are those guys to
0:35:58think that the Cybermen are becoming
0:35:59more and more like the board which I
0:36:00know the border basement Cyberman but
0:36:02the seems like this coming into this
0:36:04weird nexus of cyborgs will be the
0:36:07sweetest joke but the Cybermen have
0:36:09always had problematic right so I
0:36:11thought that wasn't that wasn't bad to
0:36:13be like what can we do with them to make
0:36:14them there's def a dip some desperate
0:36:16move to make them more interesting i
0:36:18think i thought i did like that i did
0:36:20like the head and I like the wood
0:36:21Cyberman I don't like the woods and that
0:36:23was really a funny thing and and of
0:36:24course we know it doesn't work on wood
0:36:26right there's futurama episode which
0:36:28bender replicates himself in wood and I
0:36:30that was immediately my thought there's
0:36:31a wooden bender and I'm like are they
0:36:33know it's totally related only with i
0:36:36also did like the funny bit worried like
0:36:38shows up on the Dalek ship with the sky
0:36:39stock then you're like well that's funny
0:36:42that he's got the Cybermen head and a
0:36:43cyber mashup I was like okay I'm so good
0:36:46and it was good twice why is a Cyberman
0:36:49head like you know it's got sort of gets
0:36:51in here to pick up things that you've
0:36:53been traveling 400-year you because you
0:36:54didn't companion with a bunch of scary
0:36:57people
0:36:57yeah i could just regenerate because you
0:36:59have never seen as Cybermen head by
0:37:00itself before they could assembly the
0:37:02entire planet
0:37:02wait we have yeah okay so at the end
0:37:06Matt Smith's the solution apparently to
0:37:10this this endless bitter standoff on
0:37:14trenzalore is that the that uh Clara has
0:37:18a firm i chat with the crack in the wall
0:37:21and tells it to do things think about
0:37:25how what it's done and do things
0:37:27differently and be nice to the doctor
0:37:29yeah and so the crack in the wall leaves
0:37:31and goes up into the sky and sprinkles
0:37:33regeneration magic on the dr. Parrish
0:37:37Christmas in which which he inhales nn8
0:37:39apparently give some new regenerations
0:37:41because they do not inhale Jason well no
0:37:44way I'm afraid he did
0:37:45I'm afraid of force the the fairy dust
0:37:47forced his way in there and he violently
0:37:49exploded as we saw David attended to and
0:37:51this explosion destroys like all the
0:37:54Dalek stuff that is attacking the planet
0:37:56and there's a big shock wave and who
0:37:59knows how many of the Christmas people
0:38:00survive but that's that's the big that's
0:38:04the big rescue
0:38:04should've made it part yes you did the
0:38:06cardboards all they could speak the ones
0:38:08ok tiny tim was fine time each other
0:38:12behind me why me why me time is finality
0:38:14so so that that happened advantage in
0:38:18which i did I didn't which I didn't love
0:38:20because I thought it was like a on one
0:38:24level was clever because it's like hey
0:38:26those explosive regenerations are
0:38:27finally good for something I thought
0:38:28that was kind of funny but that was that
0:38:31was that was that part was weird i liked
0:38:33when Clara goes back into the TARDIS I
0:38:36liked the rest of it I liked I i liked
0:38:40the the fake-out where we see Matt
0:38:44Smith's kind of clothes and stuff all
0:38:45over and we're led to believe that we've
0:38:47now seen him regenerated and Peter
0:38:49Capaldi is gonna walk out and it turns
0:38:50out to be young matt smith who basically
0:38:52says goodbye and then you know snaps his
0:38:55head back and turns into Peter Capaldi i
0:38:57like and i love sudden oh ok yeah and I
0:39:01love to speech I thought his speech was
0:39:03was beautiful
0:39:05actually I thought that was a really
0:39:06well well done my dad is best and the
0:39:09most care that Moffat took with the
0:39:12entire episode and quite rightly so is
0:39:14that last little bit where where where
0:39:17Matt Smith is on the stage for the last
0:39:18time and and make some interesting
0:39:21contrast to the discussion that david
0:39:24tennant had about not wanting to go and
0:39:26about how another man saunters away and
0:39:28and in this being about the acceptance
0:39:31of change and I thought that part was
0:39:33really beautiful i don't really the plot
0:39:34mechanics of the end of Iowa I'll
0:39:36explode and solve this
0:39:38I'm not sure really work for me but I
0:39:40but once once clara was in the TARDIS I
0:39:44thought they nailed the rest of it
0:39:46didn't David Tennant's dr. only lived
0:39:48for hundreds of years this guy live for
0:39:50like isn't the man more than 1,000 or
0:39:52600 VA is crazy it was over 20,000 20
0:39:56over 2,000 years old so kind of like
0:39:57because there's a lot of hundred years
0:39:59sometimes it's well-known a 1200 a long
0:40:01time ago sweeter money was here already
0:40:03which 1200 before he went out actors to
0:40:05on gaps the way
0:40:07yeah there's the gap in the inn in the
0:40:09between season five season six where
0:40:12he's traveling with that with amy and
0:40:14rory staying at home and so the younger
0:40:17version of him
0:40:18is is called by the older version who
0:40:20supposedly dies so that several hundred
0:40:23years 3 and here this time you have here
0:40:25is similar these three hundred years so
0:40:26he's had like I just wonder if they're
0:40:28trying to say like a little bit like the
0:40:30the war doctor also maybe if this has
0:40:33been enough time where tenant was
0:40:34describing that character was more still
0:40:37in the prime and felt it was UCS like
0:40:39everybody's matt smith is is dying of
0:40:42old age here there's no doubt about it
0:40:43and the one thing I saw a lot of people
0:40:47on Twitter freaking out about this
0:40:49afternoon was that regeneration was too
0:40:51fast all of a sudden these Peter Capaldi
0:40:53and I just assumed and and maybe maybe
0:40:56i'm assuming right because he set it up
0:40:58for no good reason in the beginning I
0:41:00just assumed that he was holographically
0:41:02presenting himself as Matt Smith to
0:41:04Clara and all of a sudden he's Peter
0:41:08Capaldi I thought he did all the cover
0:41:10of all the energy and it was he like
0:41:11this is the reared and then they led
0:41:13into the whole thing like you know to
0:41:15fly this so this is a bad regeneration
0:41:17like this out of the earlier that was
0:41:19funny well that happens you know that
0:41:20happens regularly but who didn't love
0:41:22the idea of the kidneys though I was
0:41:24away I don't like the color I like the
0:41:26color it but it's good you know that you
0:41:30can tell the color
0:41:31alright i did feel like throwing a
0:41:33Malcolm Tucker bleepity bleep at the end
0:41:36so yes yes yeah i'm not sure if that was
0:41:39my reaction when he was just thinking
0:41:42about my reaction it's interesting
0:41:43because you know I went regenerating
0:41:45Smith I think a lot of people were like
0:41:47you know had grown so attached this man
0:41:50tera to david tennant they're like wow
0:41:52this new guy is you
0:41:54whereas i feel like with Capaldi I'm
0:41:55like I'm very interested to see what he
0:41:57does like I mean I i love Smith and I
0:41:59was always excited to see what he did
0:42:01but Peter Capaldi is and you know he's a
0:42:03known quantity in some ways right in a
0:42:05way that matt smith was not and so
0:42:07coming into that was like alright I'm
0:42:09kind of curious to see what this doctor
0:42:11does and how this doctor different also
0:42:12the point that he's the he's the oldest
0:42:15you the same age as William Hartnell and
0:42:16the oldest doctor since since William
0:42:18Hartnell not so that makes it a very
0:42:20different change from the gentlemen
0:42:22we've had for the last several years it
0:42:24was a my wife said this to me as we're
0:42:27watching because uh
0:42:28we were watching the exact same place
0:42:29where we watching even when the last
0:42:31generation happened kind of strangely
0:42:33and and she said you know it's the same
0:42:35it's the same every time this with new
0:42:36fans have to learn which is you know you
0:42:39love you love the doctor and Easter dr.
0:42:41and then he leaves and you're like I
0:42:42don't want him to leave and then you
0:42:44regenerate this like who is this new guy
0:42:45i don't like him and then he comes in
0:42:47you're like well okay maybe he's not so
0:42:50bad and then a few years pass and he's
0:42:52your guy and then he leaves and you're
0:42:54like wait I don't want him to leave and
0:42:56the Duke comes and you're like I don't
0:42:58know about this guy i'm not sure I like
0:43:00him and it goes on that's just how it is
0:43:02shorts and I felt that night too
0:43:05yes I kind of excited to see Peter
0:43:06quality marier and all that because i
0:43:09like matt smith and something else to
0:43:11say to say you know maybe we should you
0:43:13give a moment to reflect on Matt Smith's
0:43:15tenure i mean overall I thought he did a
0:43:19great job
0:43:19I mean you can tell you something he had
0:43:21some terrible writing on some episodes
0:43:23but you deliver out and everything I i
0:43:25I'm so why didn't like him exactly even
0:43:28in this one the the parts that I I
0:43:30really didn't like he sold it
0:43:33he sold getting old he sold sitting
0:43:35there for 300 years i think it was ok
0:43:37with that
0:43:38I hated the writing I think he was never
0:43:39not i think it was never not good and
0:43:41let's remember that he was cast it was
0:43:43kind of a shock because you know so
0:43:45young and nobody expected that and then
0:43:47everybody kind of roll their eyes and
0:43:48said oh you know there's always going to
0:43:50be they're gonna get younger and younger
0:43:51and and you know you're turning this
0:43:53into a you know a kids show run by you
0:43:57know starring kids and and you'll all
0:44:00the eye-rolling all the complaining
0:44:01about it and you know at the time the
0:44:03producers said look he has this amazing
0:44:06combination of things and when he walked
0:44:07in the room we were just blown away that
0:44:09he could be old and young at the same
0:44:11time and he was totally the doctor and
0:44:12you know what they got it they nailed it
0:44:14he was all of those things he did a
0:44:15fantastic job you can't I mean I can't
0:44:18fault ya some of the episodes he he was
0:44:21in were quite problematic although i
0:44:22think that's true of pretty much every
0:44:24actor I could you know David Tennant
0:44:25went out with a whimper because most of
0:44:27the specials weren't very good either
0:44:28but you know what they always made it to
0:44:31rise above their material so yeah you
0:44:33know as actors barring that role that
0:44:35role somehow always floats to the top
0:44:37i feel i agree and that's what's
0:44:39interesting is if you remember
0:44:41when they cast him off and said we were
0:44:44actually looking for an older man yeah I
0:44:46wanted an older I got a theory that
0:44:48Peter Capaldi was in the mix then to
0:44:50yeah yeah I'm interested this awesome
0:44:53this is maybe what he was planning then
0:44:55yeah he changed everything because he
0:44:57really like matt smith and thank
0:44:59goodness
0:44:59yeah yeah it was a good good call when a
0:45:01you know I think they were they were
0:45:03lucky to find him and got to love his
0:45:05lithium his last fish fingers dosage
0:45:07there at the end that was pretty cute
0:45:08that was that was his fingers so here's
0:45:10the thing about the day at the end of
0:45:12regenerations we often will see dr. Zira
0:45:14revisiting old companions or remembering
0:45:17them i'm reminded that when Tom Baker
0:45:21regenerated when Peter Davison
0:45:22regenerated they actually were kind of
0:45:24revisited by their old companions as
0:45:26visions and so to have that happen with
0:45:28amy and with Amelia and Amy who was
0:45:31first face that he ever saw and his
0:45:34story you know started and essentially
0:45:37with a crack in the wall ended with with
0:45:39her story to have her appear at the end
0:45:42and tell him that his story was over I
0:45:45thought that was beautiful and it was
0:45:46just enough it wasn't really a me it was
0:45:48his memory of a me to say you've done a
0:45:50good job raggedy man and now it's a it's
0:45:53over and I thought that was a that
0:45:55product here to me I happy that I did I
0:45:57did expect river to show up after that I
0:45:59did have a pretty little bit of taking
0:46:00her and Ramona she had like she had her
0:46:03moment but i kinda you know your back
0:46:05some weights be you know that that seems
0:46:07like that would have driven drama
0:46:08curtain entirely on that whole thread
0:46:10but it's going for the top of the
0:46:12mountain goshti spin-off series i'm
0:46:14waiting for that because that would be
0:46:15great but hasn't communicated astra
0:46:17Madame vastra that's and Jenny yeah
0:46:20yes tracks i won't struggle as I want I
0:46:22want all stripes all the time we 20
0:46:25minutes animated be fine but just the
0:46:26centaurans because we didn't see the
0:46:28waning about things but those sent those
0:46:31centaurans yeah the Sun arms yeah I like
0:46:33that I can't see the controls invisible
0:46:36that's good
0:46:37cute yeah yeah yeah what I say go ahead
0:46:40and highlight the we're sorry about your
0:46:43death
0:46:43yes it's rather nice apology very very
0:46:46Douglas Adams I i kinda like the fact
0:46:49that they've kept going for years and
0:46:50years this whole religious army thing
0:46:52has been consistent and it's actually
0:46:54very amusing
0:46:55that being specifically sacrilegious
0:46:57it's more like it actually makes sense
0:46:59it makes perfect sense so seen in the
0:47:01past will see in the future I'll say
0:47:02this about all of the red cons and and
0:47:05tying off of loose ends in this episode
0:47:07the one that i found hilarious was that
0:47:10the silence as we've known them are
0:47:13essentially the confessional priest of
0:47:16this organization because after you
0:47:17confessed you know nobody remembers what
0:47:20happens that was good that was looking
0:47:22at solution inja also because they seem
0:47:25so they seem so menacing when they're
0:47:27advancing on Clara right at the
0:47:29beginning there right just use for keeps
0:47:32forgetting them and you're sitting there
0:47:33thinking what's the small the silence
0:47:35was this building to you know what's
0:47:37what evil thing is going to happen and
0:47:39then it turns out that they're actually
0:47:40not exactly harmless but look kind of
0:47:43not really the enemy here right duh you
0:47:47notice that was a kind of bored Queen
0:47:48vibe there too i notice that it would
0:47:51know this this is better than the board
0:47:52queen i gotta say but there was that
0:47:54whole like we lose the mother superious
0:47:56the middle yeah alright inviting
0:47:59somebody else's cannon now and long on
0:48:01canon law
0:48:02we're going i did like you know i'm i'm
0:48:05kind of tired of the week the weeping
0:48:08angels to just become a know what else
0:48:10you gonna do with machinery and
0:48:11shameless insertion of the weeping oh
0:48:13that was great but that was a wonderful
0:48:15i did like that because it was like okay
0:48:17this is something we haven't seen with
0:48:19them and yet it would be tough in a
0:48:21blinding snowstorm they're buried in
0:48:22snow that little soul also i like to
0:48:25have enough time to do anything else
0:48:26today we didn't bother coming back to
0:48:28the mutants like other two yellow
0:48:29tickets you want to get into town
0:48:30ok here's here's my here's my nine year
0:48:33old sons question which was very smart
0:48:35of him after the episode was over he
0:48:37said ok I think the people who wrote
0:48:39this episode forgot that when the angels
0:48:41touch you you they send you back in time
0:48:43and they touched her on the phone and I
0:48:45said I you're right i don't know maybe
0:48:46they didn't the only force field they
0:48:48actually want to grab number
0:48:50no but they're there but they're holding
0:48:52onto her ankle yeah but they got the
0:48:54whole force field they've held on to
0:48:55people before they held on to a really
0:48:57held onto river the week when held their
0:48:59songs are commercial break her wrist
0:49:01yeah that's what that's what I'm saying
0:49:02sometimes they don't want to send you
0:49:03back in time I guess is the answer but
0:49:05I'm just saying nine-year-olds want to
0:49:06know
0:49:07why the weeping angels are not portrayed
0:49:09consistently was it almost doors it's
0:49:12just the cherubs that set you back in
0:49:14time
0:49:14oh well they haven't read when you're
0:49:18not done much fanfiction can be written
0:49:20on this topic friend pointed out to me
0:49:22at the end of the episode that the
0:49:24doctor lies ostensibly in the truth
0:49:26field but he said that has a plan and
0:49:28then he says now I don't have a plan
0:49:30writer I'm not many people i know that
0:49:32this is once we crack it closes a
0:49:34warrior the crime wanted that one one or
0:49:37the other is a lie
0:49:38yes is a clean has been played it
0:49:40doesn't have a plan right you can't have
0:49:42it both ways i have a fiendish plan is a
0:49:45plan within a plan and we've been no
0:49:47point I think it's wrapping up and the
0:49:49plan wrapped will even know place that's
0:49:52right just as a trick is just that good
0:49:54more of a trick that a plan is the
0:49:56doctor yeah
0:49:57Eli's trick that's true dr. yes so it
0:50:03sounds like so some of us some of us
0:50:06like it and acknowledge its flaws and
0:50:08some of us didn't like it but father had
0:50:09good bits in it does that sound about
0:50:10right
0:50:11yeah yeah yeah i can go there and it was
0:50:14hard coming off to the doctor because
0:50:15that was I know Atlas in the fan was one
0:50:17of their for that was pretty pretty good
0:50:19i do you think day of the doctor is
0:50:21where we're going bell like I had hope i
0:50:23have saved that money is basically like
0:50:25we're going to be friends with a long
0:50:28way around
0:50:29Scotty the interview for the we have to
0:50:32regenerate matt smith she was gonna
0:50:34let's take care of that now and now
0:50:35let's go off and do other stuff yeah
0:50:36don't forget the Christmas episode the
0:50:38Christmas episodes are always sillier
0:50:40and little off camera and I just for
0:50:42anyway I found it wasn't one to do i
0:50:44just found this wasn't that and it was a
0:50:46lie i do think that Steven Moffat caught
0:50:48between a rock and a hard place where he
0:50:50had to do the 50th anniversary and he
0:50:51did they knocked it out of the park I
0:50:52thought but couldn't end that then he
0:50:55could you could move that had to be on
0:50:56that date and then he only he only had
0:50:59one more episode with matt smith and it
0:51:00had to be on Christmas so he was working
0:51:03within very clear restrictions which is
0:51:05you got to have some Christmas element
0:51:07and you got to regenerate massive and
0:51:09give him a send-off and wrap up all the
0:51:10stories that maybe you know i would
0:51:12argue maybe he should have tried to wrap
0:51:14some of those up on it at the end of the
0:51:16previous season right maybe he maybe he
0:51:19thought he would have
0:51:19another six or seven episodes yeah maybe
0:51:21he thought he'd have more episodes with
0:51:22matt smith and and that didn't work out
0:51:25yeah yeah whoo whee we may never know
0:51:27but uh it was it that was a tough task
0:51:30and welcome our next guest even morpheus
0:51:32ma the consuming he burned out all of
0:51:38his creative energy on day of the doctor
0:51:41and I'm figuring out and bring Sherlock
0:51:43back and this just kind of filling
0:51:44between like they have to write that too
0:51:47honestly if you're gonna do one right do
0:51:49the 50th anniversary episode right and
0:51:51then and make sure you get the last time
0:51:54we see the doctor before he regenerates
0:51:56right and get those interests
0:51:58yeah you don't have to the middle takes
0:51:59care of itself yeah yeah I just sent my
0:52:02spirit I just I like David Tennant and
0:52:05that david tennant regenerated in a
0:52:06really terrible i think episode the end
0:52:08of time but but at the very end what'd
0:52:11he do he sacrificed himself for a
0:52:13regular person and I thought that was
0:52:14kind of beautiful this was interesting
0:52:16in the sense that he sort of does
0:52:17sacrifice not only himself but I'm you
0:52:20know all those years for this little
0:52:21village I thought that was nice
0:52:23I just you know again the execution
0:52:26wasn't wasn't so great for me and
0:52:27there's giant spaceships that he blew up
0:52:29with regeneration powers even if it is
0:52:31something we must talk about going to
0:52:33the texts like he does this gives Peter
0:52:35Capaldi's doctor a clean slate for the
0:52:38first time in years where there's
0:52:40nothing left over all the mat smith pots
0:52:42are gone
0:52:43even the pre-match slippery mess with
0:52:45plots like all the entire history of the
0:52:48show now has been wrapped up in the last
0:52:50two episodes so that there's almost
0:52:52nothing dangly out there so they have a
0:52:54fresh slate let's hope it doesn't
0:52:55immobilize Moffitt and he's incapable of
0:52:57producing anything that would get with
0:52:59the fresh ideas it is an interesting
0:53:00position the show finds itself in
0:53:02because this is a like when David
0:53:04Tennant took over it's the same
0:53:05production team by the new doctor and
0:53:08and returning companion so it's not
0:53:11quite the clean slate and I think
0:53:13everybody's expecting that
0:53:15Capaldi will probably end up working for
0:53:19some other showrunner because i don't
0:53:20think anybody really expecting off to
0:53:21stick around more than maybe another
0:53:23year or two so that might be interesting
0:53:25too is Moffat kind of setting him off on
0:53:27a direction and then walking away and
0:53:29letting someone else take the reins who
0:53:30knows what
0:53:31will happen there but it isn't Clara
0:53:34yeah this is no magazine 3 stars don't
0:53:36know
0:53:37yeah that could be is that he wants to
0:53:39get the show fresh and ready to go he
0:53:41said as much for the next 50 years what
0:53:43he says he wants it to be able to be on
0:53:45a on a new path and and matt smith says
0:53:47at one point that this is you know he
0:53:49has a new regeneration cycle so he's
0:53:51essentially been granted by the time
0:53:52lords a new set and and so in some ways
0:53:56Peter Capaldi is like regeneration he's
0:53:59the first doctor of the next set which
0:54:02is interesting you know you just blew my
0:54:03mind
0:54:04stock 2.2 that explains why he's so old
0:54:07that's right get younger and younger
0:54:09yea struggling she was with my mother
0:54:13who has not she knows nothing about
0:54:15Doctor Who so she was quite confused but
0:54:17at the end and when it strikes by know
0:54:19you know he regenerates clever because
0:54:21they can get a new actor so he
0:54:23regenerates into Peter Capaldi and she's
0:54:25like why is he so haha like well I just
0:54:29too much
0:54:29yeah i watch it with my mom later who
0:54:32also hasn't seen the show and and and
0:54:34she was she was sorry to see Matt Smith
0:54:36go with the inches like a hole but is he
0:54:37gonna come back and maybe that's maybe
0:54:39it's a trick I'm like no it's veterans
0:54:40that coming back but I don't think it's
0:54:42interesting my mom started watching this
0:54:45very real actively and she's like so
0:54:48stupid i don't understand we're watching
0:54:49this and at the end it was like a that
0:54:53unfortunate commercial break actually
0:54:55watching on the beach in my hand just
0:54:56like is that the end of the show yeah I
0:54:59don't know there's more but i was
0:55:01watching when you are with my cousins
0:55:03who are all die hard fans including out
0:55:05my eye I 19 year old cousin who that the
0:55:08vote for her when he takes off the bow
0:55:10tie and drops and she's like oh ya know
0:55:12what Dan who doesn't like the movie
0:55:14diehard or die hard fans
0:55:17yeah I'd like yeah a lot of official
0:55:21twitter feed put out of thing before the
0:55:24show this morning of a just a close-up
0:55:26of the the boat I was just his last bow
0:55:29Sherlock reference there is fine exactly
0:55:34that's the face about 100
0:55:39it's amazing how is cool anything we
0:55:43missed anything we should mention before
0:55:44we go
0:55:45tied up and mismanagement
0:55:48oh yeah just a second forward to Peter
0:55:51Capaldi though it's a little bit more
0:55:54time to play with her character
0:55:56yeah that'd be nice yet because i didn't
0:55:58like learning center
0:55:59yeah she was she was good she was I like
0:56:01this straight sassy supportive smart
0:56:05from the 50 of 2i think she I think the
0:56:08more and more clear like the last couple
0:56:09episodes definitely I mean I've
0:56:11basically like to throughout the the
0:56:13only false note i really had from her
0:56:15tonight was just you know don't change
0:56:17why do you have to change except of all
0:56:19the Companions ever had she's the one
0:56:21who probably should understand that he
0:56:23changes and then it's ok you know
0:56:26because you seen them all
0:56:28she's are standing at that point the
0:56:30audience yeah I know I know I know but
0:56:32maybe you're not familiar like it was
0:56:35right there there there wasn't a pun
0:56:39so we didn't get nuggets I did like oh
0:56:41yeah but don't change your clothes
0:56:43people always to control her eyes at the
0:56:45in that time crash special about how
0:56:47David Tennant sister Peter Davison you
0:56:48were my doctor I like that in this
0:56:50episode matt smith business
0:56:51hey I was my doctor haha yes i'll always
0:56:56remember being me and loved it
0:56:58goodbye everybody but that was cool
0:57:00school bowties are cool know for those
0:57:03references are sad little right I'm
0:57:06hoping to do i'm hoping they'll be when
0:57:09when Peter Capaldi arrives and he's
0:57:10figuring out what what he's gonna where
0:57:12he'll pick up fares and say something
0:57:14like good god what was I thinking that
0:57:16we'll be able to i can picture it some
0:57:18good jokes they're all right well that's
0:57:22it for dr. 11 onto onto dr. 12 sometime
0:57:27I don't even know of all oddest
0:57:30generating 2017 Sherlock schedule now
0:57:35what isn't
0:57:37yeah that that joke about how come again
0:57:39came back before Sherlock still slaves
0:57:41me that it was a creature
0:57:43it's amazing ok I would like to thank my
0:57:46flash cast yes for staying up late on
0:57:48Christmas night i love spending
0:57:50Christmas night with my friends from the
0:57:51incomparable
0:57:52and I did it again all my family's in
0:57:56the other room
0:57:57this video's after she should be a
0:58:01flasher cast after all the duty by the
0:58:03way
0:58:03oh yeah we didn't talk about the new
0:58:05Holograms that was like there are lots
0:58:07of coupling level it's in here
0:58:09yeah you don't need to yeah yeah we can
0:58:12never talk about it again let's all
0:58:13explain later Scott McNulty thanks for
0:58:15being here thanks for having me i am
0:58:17happy to always have you and we talked
0:58:20about something that was tv-related in
0:58:22my book related which is also a special
0:58:24it's true
0:58:25yeah i'm reading a book you recommended
0:58:27by the way I hope you like it hey end
0:58:30time heart tells me that a last
0:58:32Christmas day I was also reading a book
0:58:33specifically recommended by you so thank
0:58:36you for taking this is my Christmas card
0:58:38utilizes have you you are Mike same but
0:58:43you are my Christmas miracle skies right
0:58:45you complete me guess you get a real
0:58:48good inflation thank you for being here
0:58:49thank you for having me it was glad we
0:58:53caught you to pop in there at the last
0:58:55minute David Laura thank you as always
0:58:58and thank you as always and Dan Morgan
0:59:00thanks for skyping in from far-off lands
0:59:04where there's no there's so much now
0:59:07well Papa needs a brand-new set of
0:59:08generations yep it had happened it was
0:59:10it was a moral imperative answer any
0:59:12cold well thanks for thanks for popping
0:59:14and also from a land of snow and ice
0:59:17you're most welcome sitting by the fake
0:59:19fire so that works well we'll keep you
0:59:21fake warm so that's good
0:59:23yeah all right and everybody out there
0:59:26for listening thank you for tuning into
0:59:28this crazy flash cast addition we'll be
0:59:30back right after the new year for our
0:59:34exciting annual clips show / best of
0:59:382013 episode and yes that we will
0:59:41remember when Steve picked that moment
0:59:44where he picked that moment where he
0:59:45picks Skeletor so stay tuned for that in
0:59:48this is wrapping 2013-14 comfortable by
0:59:50everybody