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0:00:00the incomparable number 175 christmas

0:00:11welcome back to be uncomfortable

0:00:13podcasts are special flash cast edition

0:00:15meaning it's unedited unexpurgated we

0:00:18say stupid things and then you hear them

0:00:20we talk over each other and you hear

0:00:22that because it is Christmas and we're

0:00:24not giving doing the editing on

0:00:26Christmas in the incomparable podcast

0:00:28and contract and as we've done for the

0:00:30last several years were here very

0:00:32quickly talk about the Christmas episode

0:00:35of Doctor Who on the day that it air

0:00:38joining me I'm Jason smell your host as

0:00:40always i have four lovely guests David

0:00:44laura is here by David there Dan Morin

0:00:48is here I dan how many years will be

0:00:51doing this now too many years

0:00:52sooo many years what it's like it's like

0:00:55eight or nine years that doctor who's

0:00:57been doing it which it boggles my mind

0:00:59but wow really wasn't that long

0:01:01it's so it's been I don't think we I

0:01:03don't think we did a flash cast of of T

0:01:06david tennant's last episode I do

0:01:07believe we've done one for all of the

0:01:09mat smith specials so it's been awhile

0:01:12it's that it's already called well I

0:01:13heard you there hello yes I cannot

0:01:15believe that it's been three years of

0:01:17matt smith and and matt smith is gone is

0:01:19gone he's gone all right Pete and

0:01:22regenerated peace and that never happens

0:01:25and Scott McNulty is here hi Scott

0:01:28oh I thought this was the who cast about

0:01:30the flash so I'm woefully about the flag

0:01:33is this cindy lou who casts the button

0:01:37important here so who cast unfortunately

0:01:40that's flash gordon dr. seuss involved

0:01:42somehow about Flash Gordon yeah i mean

0:01:44the veronica was George about the flash

0:01:46earlier this makes perfect sense that it

0:01:49all comes together to bring it

0:01:51yeah that's what you do Scott that's why

0:01:52you're here try so well yeah so doctor

0:01:55who happened uh that this was the time

0:01:58of the doctor to go with the name of the

0:02:01doctor in the day of the doctor in this

0:02:02little trip th of moffitt eNOS as saying

0:02:09goodbye to matt smith i watch the BBC

0:02:12america version which is interesting

0:02:14because the last commercial break is at

0:02:16the worst possible moment

0:02:18that's always good where you have the

0:02:21climax and the shocking sudden

0:02:24resolution

0:02:24version of it that is interesting

0:02:26intercut with a bunch of commercials

0:02:28well gotta pay the bills wish they had

0:02:30cut it somewhere sooner than that so so

0:02:34Matt Smith is gone this is very strange

0:02:36I thought episode in terms that it is

0:02:38unlike almost every Christmas episode

0:02:41doctor who is done since Steven Moffat

0:02:44took over

0:02:45unlike any I think it Christmas

0:02:47Christmas seem to Christmas was in it

0:02:51because he he goes to a town called

0:02:53Christmas that is the Christmas macias

0:02:55place in the universe and and we have

0:02:59Clara making Christmas dinner for her

0:03:02family who have almost never seen that

0:03:05there they are

0:03:06but it didn't seem very Christmas we see

0:03:08to me it's it felt a you know just to

0:03:10start out it feels a little perfunctory

0:03:12to me like you know like some of the

0:03:13russell davis air especially smaller was

0:03:16like what's on Christmas i need to

0:03:17include a Christmas element but it's or

0:03:20didn't seem to be the point and in fact

0:03:21I thought that the the the fact that

0:03:24spoiler horn can I have a spoiler

0:03:29warning flash guess i don't know i hope

0:03:31it happened that the fatback should

0:03:33really lost you should really watch the

0:03:35episode the fact that that that

0:03:38Christmas Town is on trenzalore is a

0:03:40very strange connection of like oh it's

0:03:42this cute down a Christmas were the

0:03:44greatest battle in the universe and

0:03:45hundreds and thousands of people are

0:03:47going to be dead was the same place that

0:03:49seems very strange so any thoughts about

0:03:51just have the the Christmas e ness of

0:03:53this episode you know I thought it was

0:03:56strange but I actually love it i think

0:03:59it i have been kind of a sap for the

0:04:02russell t davies Christmas episodes

0:04:04where I kind of like the interest first

0:04:06and the holiness mixed with the

0:04:09outrageousness of oh it's Christmas or

0:04:12maybe not quite christmas is just a town

0:04:14called Christmas I I kind of like that

0:04:17that's acknowledged so blatantly

0:04:18actually where it's no it's July it just

0:04:21happens to be a town called Christmas so

0:04:24a also that we after several years of

0:04:27very very Christmasy episodes from

0:04:29Steven Moffat because we had you know

0:04:31what the christmas carol and the snowmen

0:04:34and was the other one was there another

0:04:37doctor the widow and a doctor with me we

0:04:39had a lot of really Christmassy episodes

0:04:41i feel like and so we sort of have you

0:04:45know I think he's got that out of his

0:04:46system and so we got something that was

0:04:48a little more doctor who even Christmas

0:04:50I guess

0:04:53david scott thought I was entertaining a

0:04:57politic silence haha i want all the way

0:05:02with us about all things christmas

0:05:03christmas on tonight

0:05:04I didn't mind that the 10 was called

0:05:07Christmas i didn't see a point to it but

0:05:09that was about the only thing i liked

0:05:12the show

0:05:13oh wow you know Todd done but some

0:05:17foreshadows right let's get changed

0:05:19let's let's get let's get out there you

0:05:23know this was a yeah yeah David i would

0:05:27like you to talk a little bit about your

0:05:29feelings i think that's as it as a host

0:05:31i'm going to ask i'm going to probe a

0:05:33little bit back for more about your

0:05:35negative feelings about this because you

0:05:37know as everybody knows out there any

0:05:38cover we don't always just rained down

0:05:41love on individual episodes of Doctor

0:05:43Who I love Doctor Who very much but I

0:05:45know some episodes are not so good so

0:05:47I'm fascinated to hear what David has to

0:05:48say well you know I was i I rewatched

0:05:52the name of the doctor and the day of

0:05:54the doctor leading up to it just to you

0:05:56know get it all fresh in my head and the

0:05:59more I thought about it today because i

0:06:01watch the stream from the BBC so I I've

0:06:04had like nine ten hours to fulminate

0:06:08you're in England

0:06:11yes yes I am me and deanna England we

0:06:18call the dog Indiana and it seems i mean

0:06:23even though all three episodes are

0:06:25written by steven moffat they all play

0:06:28as if they were written by complete

0:06:30strangers all had a bunch of you were

0:06:32you know that the British trenzalore

0:06:34Gallifrey graves regeneration you know

0:06:39it was just T words there was disliked

0:06:41know through line to any of them there's

0:06:44no connection and translator is just

0:06:46sort of random here and there and

0:06:48Gallifrey is randomly here in there and

0:06:50you know as much as I loved the day of

0:06:53the doctor and I did that is easily one

0:06:56of my favorite episodes of the whole new

0:06:58series old series any of it

0:07:00this is the complete opposite for me I

0:07:05just all the goodwill

0:07:07all everything that made up for

0:07:08everything that I was dissatisfied with

0:07:11Moffat for a while

0:07:12it's all in this episode it's like oh my

0:07:15god what did you do

0:07:17can we at least agree that the time of

0:07:19the doctor greater than the name of the

0:07:22doctor because I thought that one was

0:07:25among the nadir before the series and I

0:07:28everything in this that harken back to

0:07:30that I was like oh yeah that episode

0:07:32yeah where they brought up a bunch of

0:07:34stuff and now they've kind of right

0:07:36Conda bunch of stuff that happened there

0:07:37with ya need to try and make a little

0:07:40bit more sense you know name of the

0:07:42doctor is just incomprehensible but then

0:07:45things in this I mean we've gone from

0:07:48impossible Clara saving all the doctors

0:07:51too clever Clara too clueless idiot

0:07:55Clara in this one you know she just he

0:07:58keeps tricking her in sending her back

0:08:00she's got a turkey to cook ok you know

0:08:03you don't know if I'd call her idiots

0:08:06clue no Clara she's not by a long shot

0:08:08she's serving a sound or narrowing oh

0:08:10right she is and he's there for support

0:08:12she's not super Clara right to say it

0:08:14but she's not supposed to be super Clara

0:08:16anymore tonight

0:08:17also the report the report in the last

0:08:20couple episodes since the name of the

0:08:23doctor has been clearly different

0:08:24between them like since we went into the

0:08:27whole Clara's the impossible girl we've

0:08:29taken her out of the time vortex and

0:08:31just you know a little more stable and a

0:08:34little more normal i like this Clara I

0:08:36think she's not necessarily as

0:08:38fantastical or as manic pixie is some

0:08:41people may be liked about her original

0:08:43characters and some people disliked but

0:08:45i like the way that they are shaping her

0:08:47like how they're shaping her i like when

0:08:51she decides to ask for help versus when

0:08:53she decides to go off on her own

0:08:55I think the night it's a nice touch of

0:08:57her basically clinging onto the TARDIS

0:08:59for 300 years while it tries to make its

0:09:02way back to the doctor and the fact that

0:09:04she looks you know very upset but at the

0:09:07same time you know what you're worth it

0:09:09it's I'm i signed up for for a task and

0:09:12I'm obligated to see it through

0:09:15did anybody else think she's gonna be

0:09:16really old when they would you give

0:09:19actually there was something about the

0:09:20whiting that almost from when

0:09:21he kept shooting her from behind while

0:09:22she's holding onto the TARDIS

0:09:24kinektron maker show that she was cold

0:09:26like she was like programs were kind of

0:09:28photos to meet her here to me your hair

0:09:30look gray and maybe it was just the

0:09:32coloring of what i was looking out but

0:09:33it was the Frog yeah but still it was it

0:09:36was I was like oh my god what if she

0:09:37turns around and she's president she's

0:09:39like 80 now said you know I mean I think

0:09:41that would be creepy twists I mean

0:09:45lockers been on there for 300 years and

0:09:47Clara is clearly a normal human girl

0:09:49possible

0:09:51not any more experienced a normal girl

0:09:53impossible possible

0:09:54she's at that point is that blood

0:09:56improbable girl employment no applause

0:10:00look at that point the thought I was

0:10:01just shaking my head so I mean I didn't

0:10:03I didn't buy anything that led up to

0:10:05that point so I wasn't buying the point

0:10:07really

0:10:07no that's not that had some major

0:10:10problems with the whole oh we're so the

0:10:13spoiler horn with Scott off so you know

0:10:15the whole point of the Gallifrey is

0:10:17sending a signal through the crack in

0:10:19the universe that no one can decipher

0:10:22but you would think that they would want

0:10:24the one person they're sending the

0:10:26signal to to be able to decipher it but

0:10:28he can't decipher it a bunch of Superman

0:10:31she began head can so we can pause for a

0:10:34second because the Cyberman head is very

0:10:36very strange and I'm not really sure

0:10:38where that came from and I was really

0:10:39like to know i will not have any that

0:10:41anything Bad's said about handle sandals

0:10:43adorable i just don't know I was just um

0:10:46I'm just like to be there with ya in

0:10:48terms of the signal that made complete

0:10:51sense to me because the idea being that

0:10:52Gallifrey has been erased from this

0:10:54world and is long dead and everyone has

0:10:56basically forgotten Gallifreyan

0:10:59including the doctor himself

0:11:01I mean that seems entirely logical to me

0:11:03and also no one's really looking forward

0:11:06all they know is that whatever this

0:11:08transmission is its filling them with

0:11:10dread which I mean if you heard a

0:11:13language that you were expecting to be

0:11:15long dead and maybe it was coded into

0:11:17you bye-bye all of your evil ancestors

0:11:20to be like hey if you ever hear this

0:11:22language again maybe run in terror

0:11:25because it might signal the end universe

0:11:27don't evil ancestors those so the Time

0:11:30Lords are bastards generally so is it

0:11:32really bad for

0:11:33the rest of the the races in the

0:11:35University not want the Time Lords to

0:11:37come back know what I mean that's what

0:11:39makes it kind of interesting to me is

0:11:40the fact that it's left and he's like

0:11:42it's left in that stalemate situation

0:11:43right where it's he's not bringing the

0:11:46back and he's also not you know not

0:11:49bringing you know he's guy he's the

0:11:51doctors kinda like the one guy standing

0:11:52in the middle there and I think he

0:11:54doesn't wanna bring the back in part

0:11:55because they'll get killed but in part

0:11:56because they're also damn jerks and

0:11:58we'll start the entire time we're all

0:12:00over again and i think the part that's

0:12:03what the prior episode to this the 50th

0:12:05anniversary episode kind of sets up is

0:12:07its Gallifrey is a horrible horrible

0:12:10place but there are also things worth

0:12:12redeeming about it and you know David

0:12:15thought that was step one in terms of

0:12:17Gallifrey can be looked on as a

0:12:19potential location a potential place for

0:12:22good again this is step two in i'm no

0:12:25longer willing to sacrifice Gallifrey

0:12:28because of what I have been through

0:12:29prior to this step three is do we ever

0:12:33see them get another chance and I think

0:12:35that's what the next season will really

0:12:36grapple with except for its profit

0:12:39actually I just want to say that when

0:12:42fleischmann has joined us now out here i

0:12:45think i heard breathing hello it it's

0:12:47just a model very well just thinking

0:12:53about started by going to stop the

0:12:54conversation I was thinking that the

0:12:56that you know everyone's afraid of

0:12:58Gallifrey who's afraid of the big bad

0:13:01Gallifrey but the problem was the whole

0:13:03point of the the end of the University

0:13:05episode was the Daleks of all destroyed

0:13:07themselves are going to love everyone

0:13:09blew up everyone else they think and

0:13:11Gallifrey is hidden somewhere but then

0:13:13you have this issue of the Daleks can

0:13:15never die so now you have this whole of

0:13:17previously you know seen reform Dalek

0:13:21army that's massive it has a huge amount

0:13:23of force and can bring in more and more

0:13:25reinforcements and all the bad guys this

0:13:27i remember there they apparently were

0:13:28never destroy even though we saw that in

0:13:30previous episodes was one cyber at left

0:13:32and so forth so we're left with all the

0:13:35villains back and in their full evil

0:13:37strength

0:13:38no I don't think they are at all

0:13:40actually I think I mean clearly they're

0:13:42they're back in there around but that's

0:13:44established in years and years of cannon

0:13:46where

0:13:46it's you know these enemies will never

0:13:48truly die they're just slowly rebuilding

0:13:50themselves back up the Daleks are clear

0:13:53i mean if the Daleks we're at full

0:13:54strength the entire planet would be

0:13:56surrounded by Dalek armies instead we

0:13:58have maybe one or two ships of Daleks

0:13:59and one ship of what looked like

0:14:02hibernating Cyberman well but that's

0:14:04ridiculous then bring the Time Lords

0:14:05back in the blow a couple big ships out

0:14:07of the air and I mean I think that's the

0:14:08flaws like is it if there's not a

0:14:10massive Dalek army out there then bring

0:14:12back the full strength of Gallifrey and

0:14:14just what model phrase not at full

0:14:16strength either gal phrase I'm hiding in

0:14:17a pocket dimension for years and years

0:14:19and probably tell it wasn't anything

0:14:21there for example they got those people

0:14:24weapons and lasers and stuff so yeah

0:14:26you're talking about

0:14:27here's the thing about about the the

0:14:29dollars in the toilet is the dogs aren't

0:14:31going to disappear forever so the

0:14:32original sacrifice that the end of the

0:14:34time was very impressive because we

0:14:36killed them both but of course they

0:14:37couldn't stay dead so they brought him

0:14:38back and they got bigger and bigger and

0:14:40bigger

0:14:40at which point you have this weird

0:14:42conundrum of well I sacrificed you know

0:14:46this damn the time-worn destroy the

0:14:47Daleks too but they weren't destroyed so

0:14:49why did i do that and I felt like the

0:14:5250th anniversary episode tried to undo

0:14:54some of that right i will say it where I

0:14:57agree with David is what I really liked

0:15:00about the 50th was it it's sort of put

0:15:02Gallifrey out there and said that's

0:15:03where I'm working and then I look at

0:15:05this episode I'm like really it's the

0:15:07entire plot device of the very next

0:15:09episode I was really disappointed by

0:15:11that because i was hoping i would be a

0:15:12new direction for the show and become

0:15:14out there and instead it just now I look

0:15:16back on the 50th and it actually devalue

0:15:18the little for me because now it feels

0:15:19like sort of a cheap set up for the next

0:15:21episode which is not at all what I was

0:15:24hoping for anyway

0:15:26but but I do i do take the point that

0:15:28you know it's an interesting place we

0:15:31get to where the Daleks if if he's got

0:15:35the ability to let the Time Lords out of

0:15:37the bottle which he wants to do well

0:15:39eventually but he realizes if he doesn't

0:15:41hear all that happens is the time where

0:15:43comes back so he's not here to do it he

0:15:45had a plot device you have to do which

0:15:47is they got they had to figure out how

0:15:48you get another regeneration without

0:15:50bringing the value our din yet last

0:15:52value is less to come in the Canon

0:15:54somewhere now I didn't know

0:15:56well there's a little talk about

0:15:59well you they mentioned him in the name

0:16:01of the doctors that was one thing I was

0:16:03sitting there thinking wait a minute let

0:16:05me know many of the value and already

0:16:06the values the post regeneration that's

0:16:09the lessee to lean mice between my

0:16:10twelfth and last which now goes on have

0:16:14remember exactly so it's it never needs

0:16:16to be dealt with the morning i'm not

0:16:18there for the master to write down

0:16:20everything her generation a freedom but

0:16:22river gave him one of her regeneration

0:16:24energy which was limited so we actually

0:16:26already did a regeneration just an

0:16:27account because it wasn't his own right

0:16:29we go around regeneration of the 10th

0:16:32doctor without his own that was

0:16:34something yet with the Dixie Mafia

0:16:35definitely had so here's here's the

0:16:37thing I i I'm mostly going to agree with

0:16:41David here as an episode i think this is

0:16:43work i think a lot of moments worked in

0:16:45it one of the things that bothered me

0:16:46about it though was I felt like Steven

0:16:49Moffat was checking boxes off and the

0:16:52regeneration thing he was checking that

0:16:54box off

0:16:55I think he wanted he wanted to clear the

0:16:56decks of all the sort of like loose

0:16:58threads of the Matt Smith era to the

0:17:00point where there's that scene in the in

0:17:02the haunted hotel episode where he looks

0:17:04inside room 11 and and sees what's in

0:17:08there his greatest fear and says of

0:17:10course it's you and then we never see it

0:17:12there's a flashback to that in this

0:17:14episode that shows that it's the crack

0:17:16because I said like check check check I

0:17:17want to close out all the loops i wanna

0:17:19i wanna mark everything off all he does

0:17:21he does all of that but you know it it

0:17:24just reinforces the old line that

0:17:27sometimes the mystery is better than the

0:17:28solution to the mystery because I felt

0:17:30like that was what we were watching as a

0:17:31writer checking off boxes but I was

0:17:33really really glad he did it for a

0:17:35couple things because that stupid who

0:17:36blew up the TARDIS thing has been

0:17:38sitting and I know remind me to isn't

0:17:40there was driving like either like well

0:17:42recently I was like you never explained

0:17:44that did they like it sends the

0:17:46officially licensed now but they're just

0:17:48priest and they're just priests anyway

0:17:51Clayton I love the idea of so here's the

0:17:56thing about the entire Matt Smith era

0:17:57and the plot of the silence and the

0:17:59great intelligence and silence of

0:18:01holland cetera

0:18:02I think Steven Moffat came up with a

0:18:04brilliant idea which is the you know

0:18:06there's this church and I skin at church

0:18:10has been friendly for the doctor for the

0:18:12long time

0:18:12I'm and then a schism of this church

0:18:14after seeing what happens at trenzalore

0:18:16discover decides no this cannot happen

0:18:19we're gonna go back in time and screw

0:18:22with the doctor to prevent him either

0:18:24from a ever getting to trenzalore be

0:18:26making sure he dies at trends lore and

0:18:28this you know the answer to this

0:18:30question is never had answered because

0:18:31we don't want Gallifrey to come back

0:18:34into the world when you look at his

0:18:36storyline literal linearly it's like oh

0:18:38man that's actually a really cool story

0:18:40line

0:18:40the problem is he's been dealing it out

0:18:42and tiny bits and pieces throughout this

0:18:44entire season so we finally get the

0:18:46interesting you know in important parts

0:18:49in this episode where it's like yeah

0:18:51this is a church that the doctor was you

0:18:53know it vitally integrated with because

0:18:56we've seen them before we've seen them

0:18:57when the Angels first popped up

0:18:59we've seen them elsewhere too although

0:19:01they've never been named the sect was

0:19:03the sect that kidnapped melody like

0:19:05there's there's so many little bits and

0:19:08pieces that have been hidden truck all

0:19:10throughout this series but it's well no

0:19:12it's just the it just wasn't put

0:19:13together properly did this

0:19:15yeah i'm gonna get out there was a good

0:19:17pit that the fact that they always

0:19:18thought that the silence was trying to

0:19:20portray itself as the good guys right

0:19:22there is a recurring theme of the

0:19:23silence as evil as they come across and

0:19:26as sort of cruel and unpleasant and and

0:19:28sadistic that they actually see

0:19:30themselves like no no we're saving the

0:19:32universe here like we were were awful

0:19:34awful people but the point is that

0:19:36you're going to destroy the universe and

0:19:38we're not having any and that was kind

0:19:40of in that was sort of reaffirmed here

0:19:41in a slightly nicer way

0:19:43well I kind of agree with Ren that I

0:19:44think this story looks it looks good

0:19:46from like 30,000 feet

0:19:47the problem is if usually not any

0:19:49particular point the execution kind of

0:19:51falls down at it it's like I mean like

0:19:52going afterwards I was like reading the

0:19:54wikipedia articles trying to remember

0:19:55all these various like things that

0:19:57happens like that's kind of cool that

0:19:58there are these tiebacks to all these

0:20:00things and there is kind of a long

0:20:01jesting plot when you look at it from

0:20:03like zoomed out but i agree that you

0:20:06know on am less macro level when you're

0:20:08actually in those episodes a lot of them

0:20:10don't go as well as you would hope but

0:20:12it is a cool idea was ambitious it just

0:20:14did fail whatever makes go ahead never

0:20:17anyways okay that never at any point did

0:20:19I feel like I was seeing the resolution

0:20:24of something that had been set up

0:20:26it felt to me like those were just

0:20:28didn't mean honestly it felt a little

0:20:29bit like this is a writer who got taken

0:20:32by surprise about the quick departure of

0:20:34his star and felt need to wrap

0:20:35everything up in an episode and i don't

0:20:37think the facts bear that out and yet it

0:20:39felt like that like like this wasn't on

0:20:42him the master plans final act so much

0:20:44as I want to I want to tie up some loose

0:20:47ends in passing for the fans on my way

0:20:50out and and that was gonna be my other

0:20:51larger point about this is i oftentimes

0:20:53when this since they've been doing

0:20:56Christmas episodes of Doctor Who there's

0:20:59a lot of criticism those episodes

0:21:00because they're these big loud

0:21:01spectacles and their emotional and

0:21:04there's explosions and at the end you

0:21:05know everybody's had a good time but

0:21:07it's not like it there can be kind of

0:21:09runaround and they're just kind of fun

0:21:10and and what shocked me about this

0:21:13episode is that it's just totally not

0:21:15that it this is a for the fans take off

0:21:18all the boxes resolve strange plot holes

0:21:21and I and I think a regular kind of more

0:21:23casual viewer who's watching this

0:21:25especially you know on the BBC on on on

0:21:28christmas eve and christmas night is a

0:21:31would be like what the heck was that in

0:21:33contrast to the most of the previous

0:21:36episodes it just felt very very much

0:21:38like it was about fans and continuity

0:21:39and the show itself and that's you know

0:21:42that's fine it is a regeneration episode

0:21:44but it surprised me that it didn't make

0:21:46more of an attempt to have a story that

0:21:48held together more than just by the fact

0:21:51that you can go oh that's why it said

0:21:52silence will fall on oh that's why

0:21:54Madame Kovarian was bad and now it's

0:21:56that crack man but did this kill us that

0:21:58like if I mean so the the day of the

0:22:00doctor was so good i mean i-i don't die

0:22:02what's on the flash caster that everyone

0:22:04hated it

0:22:04no it was so good and i loved i thought

0:22:07it was developing it was be it was

0:22:08beautiful and the cinematography even

0:22:11like it felt like a movie and it was big

0:22:15in scope and it tied up a million loose

0:22:17ends and it didn't drive us nuts even

0:22:19that weird weird Tom Baker thing in this

0:22:21one I'm like oh they brought back Amelia

0:22:23for like just a little like by like all

0:22:26come on it's always we are not that was

0:22:28beautiful and it was the best thing that

0:22:30I've seen was the best thing in the

0:22:31entire pie how is ours and

0:22:339 I did not like that when we were young

0:22:36we don't worry probably died again why I

0:22:38like maybe comes out it was not there

0:22:41was time he beginning yeah yeah

0:22:43to be perfectly honest Jason I agree

0:22:45with you in a large part in that it

0:22:46doesn't it does not feel like a

0:22:49resounding and our episode but i think

0:22:52that was his intention i think that

0:22:55Moffat was looking at this as alright

0:22:58this is the send-off to matt smith and

0:22:59it's going to be beautiful and it's

0:23:01going to incorporate all the former

0:23:02enemies and we're gonna tie up the the

0:23:04story thread because we're finally going

0:23:06to find out about the silence and we're

0:23:08going to find out why his name is the

0:23:10most important question in the universe

0:23:12because really when you think about it

0:23:14throughout the previous seasons of the

0:23:16show you're like really his name really

0:23:18but here it actually makes some

0:23:20semblance of sense

0:23:21the problem is in the execution like I

0:23:23liked this episode and I thought it was

0:23:25fun but as a as an arc tire it didn't

0:23:28really work as you know anything more

0:23:30than a collection of beautiful moments

0:23:32it didn't quite work

0:23:34I like that we're seeing more of Clara I

0:23:36hope that we'll see more of her you know

0:23:38in her you know competent self in future

0:23:42episodes but I think Moffat as you said

0:23:45Jason you know kind of looked back at

0:23:48this entire storyline is like well i

0:23:50tried to do something big and ambitious

0:23:52and it didn't quite work out the way I

0:23:54had planned it so but we still need to

0:23:57give it a good send-off and we want to

0:23:59move into stage two which is all about

0:24:01Gallifrey and I really don't think also

0:24:03that I that this sort of introduction

0:24:06Misty's of Gallifrey was just the entire

0:24:09payoff that we're going to see what did

0:24:11the doctor

0:24:11no no I mean like I don't even think

0:24:13that it was supposed to be so much like

0:24:15we're gonna blow our wad so soon after

0:24:17showing all of this it's very much a

0:24:20here we just want to make sure that you

0:24:22understand that Gallifrey is not going

0:24:25away anytime soon that we didn't just

0:24:27bring in Gallifrey for day of the doctor

0:24:29as a like look we can do really

0:24:32beautiful epic stories but never going

0:24:34to mention it again for 10 more episodes

0:24:35I think Moffat really wants to keep make

0:24:38sure viewers understand that the world

0:24:40is changing and the scope is changing

0:24:42its not just going to be little mini

0:24:43arcs about you know Daleks for three

0:24:46episodes or Cybermen

0:24:47three episodes we're going to delve into

0:24:48a giant more unified connected universe

0:24:51and I'm really excited for that

0:24:52assuming he can pull it off i did--like

0:24:54i think that i was surprised to find out

0:24:56what the what why there was a question

0:24:58the question and answer finally made

0:25:00sense like why is the question Doctor

0:25:02Who I like oh it's a password because

0:25:04it's the only thing in the universe that

0:25:06the Time Lords could actually rely on as

0:25:09something that only one person

0:25:10ostensibly nose in a river song or

0:25:12something maybe Clara and that memory

0:25:14was erased from her

0:25:15I thought clear was about to go over and

0:25:17get the recovered memory from the

0:25:18journey to the center of the TARDIS and

0:25:20say oh it's you know it's Phil Phil

0:25:23Jones and you know a little letting that

0:25:25she wouldn't let in the the Time Lords

0:25:28though because she knows that is not

0:25:29what the doctor ordered

0:25:30she's there to save the doctor and she

0:25:32didn't dr. even though her timelines a

0:25:34race because she never went to

0:25:35trenzalore and got into his timeline so

0:25:37it's time that timeline still exists

0:25:40that time I mean hurt her prime timeline

0:25:43still exists yeah but she has never

0:25:45jumped into whether some future point he

0:25:46comes back and it comes back again and

0:25:48this is crazy but here's the thing Scott

0:25:51our IT expert can tell us about the

0:25:53wisdom of using your name as a password

0:25:55for anything let alone the uniform right

0:25:57i did when i was watching this I thought

0:25:59that's an awful password

0:26:01well I mean the password destroys the

0:26:03University Ansan you know I mean from

0:26:06from the beginning since he's been in

0:26:07charge of muffins just love doing the

0:26:09little doctor who ya jokes which I and

0:26:13every time I've wanted to throw

0:26:15something at the TV and you had you know

0:26:17what 46 years where we managed to not do

0:26:21that and now every other week he's

0:26:24making up for lost time that he needs to

0:26:27that door you know it's like I'm seeing

0:26:32him do this it's like oh don't do it

0:26:34don't do it and then of course he keeps

0:26:36getting it you know building thinking

0:26:37more about the bright side man he's

0:26:39gotten it all of his system no probably

0:26:41not everything's good but you know it's

0:26:43it's really exciting that he's got

0:26:45Gallifrey but then he's basically put

0:26:49Matt Smith's doctor in stasis for 300

0:26:52years

0:26:53what kept you know you know well i

0:26:57managed to solve this impossible thing

0:26:58in the last episode with all 13

0:27:00mean for all 12 incarnations well all 13

0:27:03really i was 10 and now this time he's

0:27:05just gonna stay here for 300 years what

0:27:08do you think something he thinks he's

0:27:09dead

0:27:10I don't see it but I don't want his part

0:27:14no of course but i mean i think the

0:27:15doctor at some point is when he realizes

0:27:18that it's Gallifrey with that moment

0:27:21work early on when when the Cybermen is

0:27:23like Gallifrey seeing Matt Smith's face

0:27:27fall is Paris second only to the what

0:27:30planet is this trenzalore where it's at

0:27:32step one of him just basically like

0:27:34being like run this is this is important

0:27:39and this is a problem and of Gallifrey

0:27:40is back then i'm going to have to deal

0:27:42with a lot of problems will be soon not

0:27:44imagine it's like my everything caught

0:27:47up with me kind of like I've been

0:27:48running in keeping one step ahead of

0:27:50everything for so long and now we can no

0:27:52longer run but how does that connect to

0:27:54the last episode that ends with him

0:27:56going i'm gonna go find it

0:27:58did he did he found it it's great yeah

0:28:01it's right it's right here and now he's

0:28:05taking care of it with the only way but

0:28:07he knows how which is unfortunately the

0:28:09end of his life staying in one place

0:28:11guarding it from the onslaught of

0:28:13potential the universe's monsters

0:28:17waiting to crush his people he doesn't

0:28:19want to bring his people back but he

0:28:20doesn't want to just abandon him to die

0:28:22and other hand the village like how many

0:28:24people are in that village they keep

0:28:25getting killed and shot the building and

0:28:27Loan up and they just keep those are

0:28:29they make a worthy crossovers quiet

0:28:31Martin I think about coming this is just

0:28:33a metaphor for the war on Christmas

0:28:35yeah just keep in mind they should've

0:28:38run dismissed oh my gods gods but I'm

0:28:42yes found it now but he was hopeful at

0:28:45the end of the last one he was hoping to

0:28:47find yeah and so he finds it and he's

0:28:49depressed to put night I don't like

0:28:52solitaire found a surrounded by every

0:28:55enemy that he ever faced i mean i-i

0:28:57would be kind of the rest if I found my

0:28:59home like that to also but it's not

0:29:02hurting and the dollars on the table for

0:29:07one at a time folks the time just got a

0:29:09little more Killy as any kinda in the in

0:29:11the day the doctors killing all kinds of

0:29:13Daleks and so forth

0:29:14this one is like high every generated

0:29:16boom you're dead you're dead in the UU

0:29:18whole ship you're dead to it seems a

0:29:20little romantic dollars go and they're

0:29:22not how you know this but its shade off

0:29:24a little

0:29:25it's come you know usually save it save

0:29:27diverse at the end of you know drivers

0:29:29trying to destroy everything in the

0:29:30University reached out his hand now get

0:29:32your chance but after after nine hundred

0:29:34years he's tired as a crap and I did I

0:29:36didn't like the fact that Steven Moffat

0:29:37took the opportunity with a doctor

0:29:39leaving to say what I and obviously this

0:29:42is what he did he said what what can i

0:29:43do that i can't do in any other episode

0:29:45one of the things haven't been there for

0:29:46hundreds of years and get old because

0:29:49it's the last episode he's gonna

0:29:51regenerate at the end anyway I'm and so

0:29:53I thought that was a fun conceit that

0:29:54although it can't shave his head too

0:29:57yeah that's why not why not just for fun

0:30:00it's a wig which it was because his his

0:30:02hair was too short so we had to wear

0:30:03wigs so they just have him wear a wig I

0:30:05you know bien yet and yet i will i watch

0:30:08the first 40 minutes or so thinking you

0:30:12know this is but this is so strange it's

0:30:14just like how did we end up here how do

0:30:16we end up with him forever in this town

0:30:18in this in a stalemate and maybe some of

0:30:20it was just like I I couldn't it wasn't

0:30:23that the idea of him being in a

0:30:24stalemate where he can't make the

0:30:25decision because all the options are bad

0:30:28was a bad idea it's just that the the

0:30:31way we got into it I felt like it was

0:30:33kinda like we stumbled into it and I

0:30:35felt like there were there were no

0:30:36decisions really being made it just sort

0:30:38of happened and now he was stuck there

0:30:40and yes to Rennes point the idea that

0:30:42the doctor could willingly you know we

0:30:45could not figure his way out of a

0:30:47situation for hundreds and hundreds of

0:30:49years also seems kind of crazy other

0:30:50matt smith seems to be you know the

0:30:52doctor who enjoy is taken some taking

0:30:54some leisure time off on his own so

0:30:57maybe this was his retirement he didn't

0:30:59you know he didn't want to go so he said

0:31:01and I'll solution Marysol there too

0:31:03yeah we also know that he kind of loses

0:31:05his head when it comes to Gallifrey you

0:31:07know who's never thought calmly about

0:31:09that just like your cameraman

0:31:12yeah i agree about the execution part

0:31:15where it comes to the idea that it i can

0:31:18picture an episode that pulls that

0:31:20conceit off much better in terms of

0:31:22feeling like you're entrench but in this

0:31:24one we keep popping back and forth right

0:31:26so there's not that feel

0:31:28thing because the the siege of it is

0:31:30condensed to you know montage

0:31:32essentially yeah

0:31:33whereas it could be a lot different if

0:31:35you were like you you know didn't have

0:31:37those constant pressure valve releases

0:31:39where we go and see Clarence family or

0:31:41go up to the ship to talk to the nun

0:31:42that you know if you really felt like oh

0:31:44my God we're in the trenches here and

0:31:46he's like staying here because this is

0:31:47the only thing he can do to keep these

0:31:49people alive and to keep the you know

0:31:51the Time Lords life i think that could

0:31:52have been pulled off a lot better i

0:31:53don't mind that the idea i just i think

0:31:55the execution

0:31:56that's all I was horrible at time travel

0:31:57or time ironically time travel

0:32:00he's been horrible at opposite sides

0:32:01that span a long time period pieces yeah

0:32:05he's facing his pacing goes all the way

0:32:07out the window whenever he's trying to

0:32:09do something epic look at a look at what

0:32:12was the first Amy and Rory one with the

0:32:14with the Pandora's box that was like

0:32:18lets span thousands of years and yeah

0:32:20anytime he employs a narrator you know

0:32:23that the episode is going to be weeping

0:32:24I was going to mention the narrator and

0:32:26say that I thought this was very strange

0:32:28because Tasha LEM the the mother

0:32:31superious not superior also known as

0:32:34mrs. Bishop from fringe

0:32:36oh yeah Walter bishops wife and Peter's

0:32:39much is the narrator here she's the the

0:32:42disappearance of the papal mainframe and

0:32:45i found that weird because it's a

0:32:46character we don't know she um she turns

0:32:50into a Dalek at one point and yet she

0:32:52comes back later in a Dalek again which

0:32:54also doesn't make any sense and and she

0:32:56continues narrating and then she just

0:32:58and then her narration stops at one

0:32:59point I found that I found that really

0:33:01bizarre because it was like trying to

0:33:03make it like a fairy tale like Steven

0:33:04Moffat has done with dr. had several

0:33:06points and I I don't mind that

0:33:08and yet it seemed weird really weird and

0:33:10inconsistent like it didn't it didn't

0:33:12really belong but there was no other way

0:33:14for him to get this to the story to make

0:33:17any sort of sense and and we don't even

0:33:19know who she is nor is it really reveal

0:33:21to she is and and the interaction that

0:33:23he has with her is also we felt to me

0:33:25like she's almost river song with the

0:33:27name changed which which seemed bizarre

0:33:29to me and I kept waiting for a line

0:33:31where she said well you know I'm

0:33:32actually just you know river song with a

0:33:35hologram projection or I'm the uploaded

0:33:38river song from the library in a you

0:33:40know you know it

0:33:41in the papal mainframe or something and

0:33:42there was just sort of nothing it's just

0:33:43kind of left there which was very seems

0:33:45a little bit the end at the end of said

0:33:47she gives a little bit about like she

0:33:49was almost a companion but didn't quite

0:33:51get there but you're right it's almost

0:33:52as if they'd written apart for Alex what

0:33:54you're facing an ATM

0:33:55thank you Alex Kingston and then decided

0:33:57not to cast her she can do it had that

0:33:59feel like I'm missing like in the day

0:34:02the doctors like something's missing

0:34:04here there's a piece because she's too

0:34:06familiar and he's both to enter an order

0:34:08enough it was wait and river got you

0:34:10know I thought rivers final scene in

0:34:11name of the doctor was great and that

0:34:13that was a good ending for her and if we

0:34:15see her again out of sequence that's

0:34:17fine I don't need to see her

0:34:18I think feel like that's our final death

0:34:20but but he just touched so that the

0:34:23narration was weird and the character

0:34:24was weird and which is not to say that

0:34:26the the character didn't do some

0:34:28interesting things but I you know that

0:34:30was one of those seasons they just stuck

0:34:31out like a sore thumb especially so full

0:34:33of thin characters though is like you go

0:34:35into the spillage they have a really

0:34:36good get the really hilarious exchange

0:34:38about the truth field and in the

0:34:39explanation of why there would be a

0:34:40truth field like okay i bought it i was

0:34:42not a great gimmick and then it's

0:34:44essentially totally dropped in the

0:34:46villagers are cardboard that get blown

0:34:47up after that point with little

0:34:48exceptions even you know Clarence family

0:34:52I'm like it's Donna's family it's the

0:34:54mother who's the Shrew is trying to get

0:34:56them married the grandmother who's all

0:34:58got folk wisdom and like Bernard

0:35:00Cribbins and so for someone like I

0:35:02didn't feel like there was any

0:35:03uniqueness in the family and the

0:35:06villages for backdrop and the and they

0:35:07added new characters in there so it i

0:35:10don't know and they really should be

0:35:10Clara and the doctor they kept

0:35:12separating them so kind of waiting for

0:35:13things to happen

0:35:14I just thought they lost some of the

0:35:15core there because it's not that he

0:35:18wouldn't keep trying to send her away

0:35:18but when they sent her away like four

0:35:20times or something I was relieved though

0:35:22that they did finally get the turkey out

0:35:23of there because i was waiting for the

0:35:24fans to be like a turkey is still cold

0:35:27nevermind connected the bone to the NICU

0:35:29now I don't like this game even her

0:35:33family is sitting there for 300 years

0:35:34waiting for her to come back i had when

0:35:37i saw handles I thought handles I was

0:35:39merely thinking Tommy know Tom Hanks

0:35:40it's well she is that the beautiful

0:35:43I just enjoyed the the exchange with the

0:35:45cart is irrelevant was like that better

0:35:48information in here

0:35:51that was my face of the interactions of

0:35:53the rest of the show I was like well

0:35:54they bonded there are those guys to

0:35:58think that the Cybermen are becoming

0:35:59more and more like the board which I

0:36:00know the border basement Cyberman but

0:36:02the seems like this coming into this

0:36:04weird nexus of cyborgs will be the

0:36:07sweetest joke but the Cybermen have

0:36:09always had problematic right so I

0:36:11thought that wasn't that wasn't bad to

0:36:13be like what can we do with them to make

0:36:14them there's def a dip some desperate

0:36:16move to make them more interesting i

0:36:18think i thought i did like that i did

0:36:20like the head and I like the wood

0:36:21Cyberman I don't like the woods and that

0:36:23was really a funny thing and and of

0:36:24course we know it doesn't work on wood

0:36:26right there's futurama episode which

0:36:28bender replicates himself in wood and I

0:36:30that was immediately my thought there's

0:36:31a wooden bender and I'm like are they

0:36:33know it's totally related only with i

0:36:36also did like the funny bit worried like

0:36:38shows up on the Dalek ship with the sky

0:36:39stock then you're like well that's funny

0:36:42that he's got the Cybermen head and a

0:36:43cyber mashup I was like okay I'm so good

0:36:46and it was good twice why is a Cyberman

0:36:49head like you know it's got sort of gets

0:36:51in here to pick up things that you've

0:36:53been traveling 400-year you because you

0:36:54didn't companion with a bunch of scary

0:36:57people

0:36:57yeah i could just regenerate because you

0:36:59have never seen as Cybermen head by

0:37:00itself before they could assembly the

0:37:02entire planet

0:37:02wait we have yeah okay so at the end

0:37:06Matt Smith's the solution apparently to

0:37:10this this endless bitter standoff on

0:37:14trenzalore is that the that uh Clara has

0:37:18a firm i chat with the crack in the wall

0:37:21and tells it to do things think about

0:37:25how what it's done and do things

0:37:27differently and be nice to the doctor

0:37:29yeah and so the crack in the wall leaves

0:37:31and goes up into the sky and sprinkles

0:37:33regeneration magic on the dr. Parrish

0:37:37Christmas in which which he inhales nn8

0:37:39apparently give some new regenerations

0:37:41because they do not inhale Jason well no

0:37:44way I'm afraid he did

0:37:45I'm afraid of force the the fairy dust

0:37:47forced his way in there and he violently

0:37:49exploded as we saw David attended to and

0:37:51this explosion destroys like all the

0:37:54Dalek stuff that is attacking the planet

0:37:56and there's a big shock wave and who

0:37:59knows how many of the Christmas people

0:38:00survive but that's that's the big that's

0:38:04the big rescue

0:38:04should've made it part yes you did the

0:38:06cardboards all they could speak the ones

0:38:08ok tiny tim was fine time each other

0:38:12behind me why me why me time is finality

0:38:14so so that that happened advantage in

0:38:18which i did I didn't which I didn't love

0:38:20because I thought it was like a on one

0:38:24level was clever because it's like hey

0:38:26those explosive regenerations are

0:38:27finally good for something I thought

0:38:28that was kind of funny but that was that

0:38:31was that was that part was weird i liked

0:38:33when Clara goes back into the TARDIS I

0:38:36liked the rest of it I liked I i liked

0:38:40the the fake-out where we see Matt

0:38:44Smith's kind of clothes and stuff all

0:38:45over and we're led to believe that we've

0:38:47now seen him regenerated and Peter

0:38:49Capaldi is gonna walk out and it turns

0:38:50out to be young matt smith who basically

0:38:52says goodbye and then you know snaps his

0:38:55head back and turns into Peter Capaldi i

0:38:57like and i love sudden oh ok yeah and I

0:39:01love to speech I thought his speech was

0:39:03was beautiful

0:39:05actually I thought that was a really

0:39:06well well done my dad is best and the

0:39:09most care that Moffat took with the

0:39:12entire episode and quite rightly so is

0:39:14that last little bit where where where

0:39:17Matt Smith is on the stage for the last

0:39:18time and and make some interesting

0:39:21contrast to the discussion that david

0:39:24tennant had about not wanting to go and

0:39:26about how another man saunters away and

0:39:28and in this being about the acceptance

0:39:31of change and I thought that part was

0:39:33really beautiful i don't really the plot

0:39:34mechanics of the end of Iowa I'll

0:39:36explode and solve this

0:39:38I'm not sure really work for me but I

0:39:40but once once clara was in the TARDIS I

0:39:44thought they nailed the rest of it

0:39:46didn't David Tennant's dr. only lived

0:39:48for hundreds of years this guy live for

0:39:50like isn't the man more than 1,000 or

0:39:52600 VA is crazy it was over 20,000 20

0:39:56over 2,000 years old so kind of like

0:39:57because there's a lot of hundred years

0:39:59sometimes it's well-known a 1200 a long

0:40:01time ago sweeter money was here already

0:40:03which 1200 before he went out actors to

0:40:05on gaps the way

0:40:07yeah there's the gap in the inn in the

0:40:09between season five season six where

0:40:12he's traveling with that with amy and

0:40:14rory staying at home and so the younger

0:40:17version of him

0:40:18is is called by the older version who

0:40:20supposedly dies so that several hundred

0:40:23years 3 and here this time you have here

0:40:25is similar these three hundred years so

0:40:26he's had like I just wonder if they're

0:40:28trying to say like a little bit like the

0:40:30the war doctor also maybe if this has

0:40:33been enough time where tenant was

0:40:34describing that character was more still

0:40:37in the prime and felt it was UCS like

0:40:39everybody's matt smith is is dying of

0:40:42old age here there's no doubt about it

0:40:43and the one thing I saw a lot of people

0:40:47on Twitter freaking out about this

0:40:49afternoon was that regeneration was too

0:40:51fast all of a sudden these Peter Capaldi

0:40:53and I just assumed and and maybe maybe

0:40:56i'm assuming right because he set it up

0:40:58for no good reason in the beginning I

0:41:00just assumed that he was holographically

0:41:02presenting himself as Matt Smith to

0:41:04Clara and all of a sudden he's Peter

0:41:08Capaldi I thought he did all the cover

0:41:10of all the energy and it was he like

0:41:11this is the reared and then they led

0:41:13into the whole thing like you know to

0:41:15fly this so this is a bad regeneration

0:41:17like this out of the earlier that was

0:41:19funny well that happens you know that

0:41:20happens regularly but who didn't love

0:41:22the idea of the kidneys though I was

0:41:24away I don't like the color I like the

0:41:26color it but it's good you know that you

0:41:30can tell the color

0:41:31alright i did feel like throwing a

0:41:33Malcolm Tucker bleepity bleep at the end

0:41:36so yes yes yeah i'm not sure if that was

0:41:39my reaction when he was just thinking

0:41:42about my reaction it's interesting

0:41:43because you know I went regenerating

0:41:45Smith I think a lot of people were like

0:41:47you know had grown so attached this man

0:41:50tera to david tennant they're like wow

0:41:52this new guy is you

0:41:54whereas i feel like with Capaldi I'm

0:41:55like I'm very interested to see what he

0:41:57does like I mean I i love Smith and I

0:41:59was always excited to see what he did

0:42:01but Peter Capaldi is and you know he's a

0:42:03known quantity in some ways right in a

0:42:05way that matt smith was not and so

0:42:07coming into that was like alright I'm

0:42:09kind of curious to see what this doctor

0:42:11does and how this doctor different also

0:42:12the point that he's the he's the oldest

0:42:15you the same age as William Hartnell and

0:42:16the oldest doctor since since William

0:42:18Hartnell not so that makes it a very

0:42:20different change from the gentlemen

0:42:22we've had for the last several years it

0:42:24was a my wife said this to me as we're

0:42:27watching because uh

0:42:28we were watching the exact same place

0:42:29where we watching even when the last

0:42:31generation happened kind of strangely

0:42:33and and she said you know it's the same

0:42:35it's the same every time this with new

0:42:36fans have to learn which is you know you

0:42:39love you love the doctor and Easter dr.

0:42:41and then he leaves and you're like I

0:42:42don't want him to leave and then you

0:42:44regenerate this like who is this new guy

0:42:45i don't like him and then he comes in

0:42:47you're like well okay maybe he's not so

0:42:50bad and then a few years pass and he's

0:42:52your guy and then he leaves and you're

0:42:54like wait I don't want him to leave and

0:42:56the Duke comes and you're like I don't

0:42:58know about this guy i'm not sure I like

0:43:00him and it goes on that's just how it is

0:43:02shorts and I felt that night too

0:43:05yes I kind of excited to see Peter

0:43:06quality marier and all that because i

0:43:09like matt smith and something else to

0:43:11say to say you know maybe we should you

0:43:13give a moment to reflect on Matt Smith's

0:43:15tenure i mean overall I thought he did a

0:43:19great job

0:43:19I mean you can tell you something he had

0:43:21some terrible writing on some episodes

0:43:23but you deliver out and everything I i

0:43:25I'm so why didn't like him exactly even

0:43:28in this one the the parts that I I

0:43:30really didn't like he sold it

0:43:33he sold getting old he sold sitting

0:43:35there for 300 years i think it was ok

0:43:37with that

0:43:38I hated the writing I think he was never

0:43:39not i think it was never not good and

0:43:41let's remember that he was cast it was

0:43:43kind of a shock because you know so

0:43:45young and nobody expected that and then

0:43:47everybody kind of roll their eyes and

0:43:48said oh you know there's always going to

0:43:50be they're gonna get younger and younger

0:43:51and and you know you're turning this

0:43:53into a you know a kids show run by you

0:43:57know starring kids and and you'll all

0:44:00the eye-rolling all the complaining

0:44:01about it and you know at the time the

0:44:03producers said look he has this amazing

0:44:06combination of things and when he walked

0:44:07in the room we were just blown away that

0:44:09he could be old and young at the same

0:44:11time and he was totally the doctor and

0:44:12you know what they got it they nailed it

0:44:14he was all of those things he did a

0:44:15fantastic job you can't I mean I can't

0:44:18fault ya some of the episodes he he was

0:44:21in were quite problematic although i

0:44:22think that's true of pretty much every

0:44:24actor I could you know David Tennant

0:44:25went out with a whimper because most of

0:44:27the specials weren't very good either

0:44:28but you know what they always made it to

0:44:31rise above their material so yeah you

0:44:33know as actors barring that role that

0:44:35role somehow always floats to the top

0:44:37i feel i agree and that's what's

0:44:39interesting is if you remember

0:44:41when they cast him off and said we were

0:44:44actually looking for an older man yeah I

0:44:46wanted an older I got a theory that

0:44:48Peter Capaldi was in the mix then to

0:44:50yeah yeah I'm interested this awesome

0:44:53this is maybe what he was planning then

0:44:55yeah he changed everything because he

0:44:57really like matt smith and thank

0:44:59goodness

0:44:59yeah yeah it was a good good call when a

0:45:01you know I think they were they were

0:45:03lucky to find him and got to love his

0:45:05lithium his last fish fingers dosage

0:45:07there at the end that was pretty cute

0:45:08that was that was his fingers so here's

0:45:10the thing about the day at the end of

0:45:12regenerations we often will see dr. Zira

0:45:14revisiting old companions or remembering

0:45:17them i'm reminded that when Tom Baker

0:45:21regenerated when Peter Davison

0:45:22regenerated they actually were kind of

0:45:24revisited by their old companions as

0:45:26visions and so to have that happen with

0:45:28amy and with Amelia and Amy who was

0:45:31first face that he ever saw and his

0:45:34story you know started and essentially

0:45:37with a crack in the wall ended with with

0:45:39her story to have her appear at the end

0:45:42and tell him that his story was over I

0:45:45thought that was beautiful and it was

0:45:46just enough it wasn't really a me it was

0:45:48his memory of a me to say you've done a

0:45:50good job raggedy man and now it's a it's

0:45:53over and I thought that was a that

0:45:55product here to me I happy that I did I

0:45:57did expect river to show up after that I

0:45:59did have a pretty little bit of taking

0:46:00her and Ramona she had like she had her

0:46:03moment but i kinda you know your back

0:46:05some weights be you know that that seems

0:46:07like that would have driven drama

0:46:08curtain entirely on that whole thread

0:46:10but it's going for the top of the

0:46:12mountain goshti spin-off series i'm

0:46:14waiting for that because that would be

0:46:15great but hasn't communicated astra

0:46:17Madame vastra that's and Jenny yeah

0:46:20yes tracks i won't struggle as I want I

0:46:22want all stripes all the time we 20

0:46:25minutes animated be fine but just the

0:46:26centaurans because we didn't see the

0:46:28waning about things but those sent those

0:46:31centaurans yeah the Sun arms yeah I like

0:46:33that I can't see the controls invisible

0:46:36that's good

0:46:37cute yeah yeah yeah what I say go ahead

0:46:40and highlight the we're sorry about your

0:46:43death

0:46:43yes it's rather nice apology very very

0:46:46Douglas Adams I i kinda like the fact

0:46:49that they've kept going for years and

0:46:50years this whole religious army thing

0:46:52has been consistent and it's actually

0:46:54very amusing

0:46:55that being specifically sacrilegious

0:46:57it's more like it actually makes sense

0:46:59it makes perfect sense so seen in the

0:47:01past will see in the future I'll say

0:47:02this about all of the red cons and and

0:47:05tying off of loose ends in this episode

0:47:07the one that i found hilarious was that

0:47:10the silence as we've known them are

0:47:13essentially the confessional priest of

0:47:16this organization because after you

0:47:17confessed you know nobody remembers what

0:47:20happens that was good that was looking

0:47:22at solution inja also because they seem

0:47:25so they seem so menacing when they're

0:47:27advancing on Clara right at the

0:47:29beginning there right just use for keeps

0:47:32forgetting them and you're sitting there

0:47:33thinking what's the small the silence

0:47:35was this building to you know what's

0:47:37what evil thing is going to happen and

0:47:39then it turns out that they're actually

0:47:40not exactly harmless but look kind of

0:47:43not really the enemy here right duh you

0:47:47notice that was a kind of bored Queen

0:47:48vibe there too i notice that it would

0:47:51know this this is better than the board

0:47:52queen i gotta say but there was that

0:47:54whole like we lose the mother superious

0:47:56the middle yeah alright inviting

0:47:59somebody else's cannon now and long on

0:48:01canon law

0:48:02we're going i did like you know i'm i'm

0:48:05kind of tired of the week the weeping

0:48:08angels to just become a know what else

0:48:10you gonna do with machinery and

0:48:11shameless insertion of the weeping oh

0:48:13that was great but that was a wonderful

0:48:15i did like that because it was like okay

0:48:17this is something we haven't seen with

0:48:19them and yet it would be tough in a

0:48:21blinding snowstorm they're buried in

0:48:22snow that little soul also i like to

0:48:25have enough time to do anything else

0:48:26today we didn't bother coming back to

0:48:28the mutants like other two yellow

0:48:29tickets you want to get into town

0:48:30ok here's here's my here's my nine year

0:48:33old sons question which was very smart

0:48:35of him after the episode was over he

0:48:37said ok I think the people who wrote

0:48:39this episode forgot that when the angels

0:48:41touch you you they send you back in time

0:48:43and they touched her on the phone and I

0:48:45said I you're right i don't know maybe

0:48:46they didn't the only force field they

0:48:48actually want to grab number

0:48:50no but they're there but they're holding

0:48:52onto her ankle yeah but they got the

0:48:54whole force field they've held on to

0:48:55people before they held on to a really

0:48:57held onto river the week when held their

0:48:59songs are commercial break her wrist

0:49:01yeah that's what that's what I'm saying

0:49:02sometimes they don't want to send you

0:49:03back in time I guess is the answer but

0:49:05I'm just saying nine-year-olds want to

0:49:06know

0:49:07why the weeping angels are not portrayed

0:49:09consistently was it almost doors it's

0:49:12just the cherubs that set you back in

0:49:14time

0:49:14oh well they haven't read when you're

0:49:18not done much fanfiction can be written

0:49:20on this topic friend pointed out to me

0:49:22at the end of the episode that the

0:49:24doctor lies ostensibly in the truth

0:49:26field but he said that has a plan and

0:49:28then he says now I don't have a plan

0:49:30writer I'm not many people i know that

0:49:32this is once we crack it closes a

0:49:34warrior the crime wanted that one one or

0:49:37the other is a lie

0:49:38yes is a clean has been played it

0:49:40doesn't have a plan right you can't have

0:49:42it both ways i have a fiendish plan is a

0:49:45plan within a plan and we've been no

0:49:47point I think it's wrapping up and the

0:49:49plan wrapped will even know place that's

0:49:52right just as a trick is just that good

0:49:54more of a trick that a plan is the

0:49:56doctor yeah

0:49:57Eli's trick that's true dr. yes so it

0:50:03sounds like so some of us some of us

0:50:06like it and acknowledge its flaws and

0:50:08some of us didn't like it but father had

0:50:09good bits in it does that sound about

0:50:10right

0:50:11yeah yeah yeah i can go there and it was

0:50:14hard coming off to the doctor because

0:50:15that was I know Atlas in the fan was one

0:50:17of their for that was pretty pretty good

0:50:19i do you think day of the doctor is

0:50:21where we're going bell like I had hope i

0:50:23have saved that money is basically like

0:50:25we're going to be friends with a long

0:50:28way around

0:50:29Scotty the interview for the we have to

0:50:32regenerate matt smith she was gonna

0:50:34let's take care of that now and now

0:50:35let's go off and do other stuff yeah

0:50:36don't forget the Christmas episode the

0:50:38Christmas episodes are always sillier

0:50:40and little off camera and I just for

0:50:42anyway I found it wasn't one to do i

0:50:44just found this wasn't that and it was a

0:50:46lie i do think that Steven Moffat caught

0:50:48between a rock and a hard place where he

0:50:50had to do the 50th anniversary and he

0:50:51did they knocked it out of the park I

0:50:52thought but couldn't end that then he

0:50:55could you could move that had to be on

0:50:56that date and then he only he only had

0:50:59one more episode with matt smith and it

0:51:00had to be on Christmas so he was working

0:51:03within very clear restrictions which is

0:51:05you got to have some Christmas element

0:51:07and you got to regenerate massive and

0:51:09give him a send-off and wrap up all the

0:51:10stories that maybe you know i would

0:51:12argue maybe he should have tried to wrap

0:51:14some of those up on it at the end of the

0:51:16previous season right maybe he maybe he

0:51:19thought he would have

0:51:19another six or seven episodes yeah maybe

0:51:21he thought he'd have more episodes with

0:51:22matt smith and and that didn't work out

0:51:25yeah yeah whoo whee we may never know

0:51:27but uh it was it that was a tough task

0:51:30and welcome our next guest even morpheus

0:51:32ma the consuming he burned out all of

0:51:38his creative energy on day of the doctor

0:51:41and I'm figuring out and bring Sherlock

0:51:43back and this just kind of filling

0:51:44between like they have to write that too

0:51:47honestly if you're gonna do one right do

0:51:49the 50th anniversary episode right and

0:51:51then and make sure you get the last time

0:51:54we see the doctor before he regenerates

0:51:56right and get those interests

0:51:58yeah you don't have to the middle takes

0:51:59care of itself yeah yeah I just sent my

0:52:02spirit I just I like David Tennant and

0:52:05that david tennant regenerated in a

0:52:06really terrible i think episode the end

0:52:08of time but but at the very end what'd

0:52:11he do he sacrificed himself for a

0:52:13regular person and I thought that was

0:52:14kind of beautiful this was interesting

0:52:16in the sense that he sort of does

0:52:17sacrifice not only himself but I'm you

0:52:20know all those years for this little

0:52:21village I thought that was nice

0:52:23I just you know again the execution

0:52:26wasn't wasn't so great for me and

0:52:27there's giant spaceships that he blew up

0:52:29with regeneration powers even if it is

0:52:31something we must talk about going to

0:52:33the texts like he does this gives Peter

0:52:35Capaldi's doctor a clean slate for the

0:52:38first time in years where there's

0:52:40nothing left over all the mat smith pots

0:52:42are gone

0:52:43even the pre-match slippery mess with

0:52:45plots like all the entire history of the

0:52:48show now has been wrapped up in the last

0:52:50two episodes so that there's almost

0:52:52nothing dangly out there so they have a

0:52:54fresh slate let's hope it doesn't

0:52:55immobilize Moffitt and he's incapable of

0:52:57producing anything that would get with

0:52:59the fresh ideas it is an interesting

0:53:00position the show finds itself in

0:53:02because this is a like when David

0:53:04Tennant took over it's the same

0:53:05production team by the new doctor and

0:53:08and returning companion so it's not

0:53:11quite the clean slate and I think

0:53:13everybody's expecting that

0:53:15Capaldi will probably end up working for

0:53:19some other showrunner because i don't

0:53:20think anybody really expecting off to

0:53:21stick around more than maybe another

0:53:23year or two so that might be interesting

0:53:25too is Moffat kind of setting him off on

0:53:27a direction and then walking away and

0:53:29letting someone else take the reins who

0:53:30knows what

0:53:31will happen there but it isn't Clara

0:53:34yeah this is no magazine 3 stars don't

0:53:36know

0:53:37yeah that could be is that he wants to

0:53:39get the show fresh and ready to go he

0:53:41said as much for the next 50 years what

0:53:43he says he wants it to be able to be on

0:53:45a on a new path and and matt smith says

0:53:47at one point that this is you know he

0:53:49has a new regeneration cycle so he's

0:53:51essentially been granted by the time

0:53:52lords a new set and and so in some ways

0:53:56Peter Capaldi is like regeneration he's

0:53:59the first doctor of the next set which

0:54:02is interesting you know you just blew my

0:54:03mind

0:54:04stock 2.2 that explains why he's so old

0:54:07that's right get younger and younger

0:54:09yea struggling she was with my mother

0:54:13who has not she knows nothing about

0:54:15Doctor Who so she was quite confused but

0:54:17at the end and when it strikes by know

0:54:19you know he regenerates clever because

0:54:21they can get a new actor so he

0:54:23regenerates into Peter Capaldi and she's

0:54:25like why is he so haha like well I just

0:54:29too much

0:54:29yeah i watch it with my mom later who

0:54:32also hasn't seen the show and and and

0:54:34she was she was sorry to see Matt Smith

0:54:36go with the inches like a hole but is he

0:54:37gonna come back and maybe that's maybe

0:54:39it's a trick I'm like no it's veterans

0:54:40that coming back but I don't think it's

0:54:42interesting my mom started watching this

0:54:45very real actively and she's like so

0:54:48stupid i don't understand we're watching

0:54:49this and at the end it was like a that

0:54:53unfortunate commercial break actually

0:54:55watching on the beach in my hand just

0:54:56like is that the end of the show yeah I

0:54:59don't know there's more but i was

0:55:01watching when you are with my cousins

0:55:03who are all die hard fans including out

0:55:05my eye I 19 year old cousin who that the

0:55:08vote for her when he takes off the bow

0:55:10tie and drops and she's like oh ya know

0:55:12what Dan who doesn't like the movie

0:55:14diehard or die hard fans

0:55:17yeah I'd like yeah a lot of official

0:55:21twitter feed put out of thing before the

0:55:24show this morning of a just a close-up

0:55:26of the the boat I was just his last bow

0:55:29Sherlock reference there is fine exactly

0:55:34that's the face about 100

0:55:39it's amazing how is cool anything we

0:55:43missed anything we should mention before

0:55:44we go

0:55:45tied up and mismanagement

0:55:48oh yeah just a second forward to Peter

0:55:51Capaldi though it's a little bit more

0:55:54time to play with her character

0:55:56yeah that'd be nice yet because i didn't

0:55:58like learning center

0:55:59yeah she was she was good she was I like

0:56:01this straight sassy supportive smart

0:56:05from the 50 of 2i think she I think the

0:56:08more and more clear like the last couple

0:56:09episodes definitely I mean I've

0:56:11basically like to throughout the the

0:56:13only false note i really had from her

0:56:15tonight was just you know don't change

0:56:17why do you have to change except of all

0:56:19the Companions ever had she's the one

0:56:21who probably should understand that he

0:56:23changes and then it's ok you know

0:56:26because you seen them all

0:56:28she's are standing at that point the

0:56:30audience yeah I know I know I know but

0:56:32maybe you're not familiar like it was

0:56:35right there there there wasn't a pun

0:56:39so we didn't get nuggets I did like oh

0:56:41yeah but don't change your clothes

0:56:43people always to control her eyes at the

0:56:45in that time crash special about how

0:56:47David Tennant sister Peter Davison you

0:56:48were my doctor I like that in this

0:56:50episode matt smith business

0:56:51hey I was my doctor haha yes i'll always

0:56:56remember being me and loved it

0:56:58goodbye everybody but that was cool

0:57:00school bowties are cool know for those

0:57:03references are sad little right I'm

0:57:06hoping to do i'm hoping they'll be when

0:57:09when Peter Capaldi arrives and he's

0:57:10figuring out what what he's gonna where

0:57:12he'll pick up fares and say something

0:57:14like good god what was I thinking that

0:57:16we'll be able to i can picture it some

0:57:18good jokes they're all right well that's

0:57:22it for dr. 11 onto onto dr. 12 sometime

0:57:27I don't even know of all oddest

0:57:30generating 2017 Sherlock schedule now

0:57:35what isn't

0:57:37yeah that that joke about how come again

0:57:39came back before Sherlock still slaves

0:57:41me that it was a creature

0:57:43it's amazing ok I would like to thank my

0:57:46flash cast yes for staying up late on

0:57:48Christmas night i love spending

0:57:50Christmas night with my friends from the

0:57:51incomparable

0:57:52and I did it again all my family's in

0:57:56the other room

0:57:57this video's after she should be a

0:58:01flasher cast after all the duty by the

0:58:03way

0:58:03oh yeah we didn't talk about the new

0:58:05Holograms that was like there are lots

0:58:07of coupling level it's in here

0:58:09yeah you don't need to yeah yeah we can

0:58:12never talk about it again let's all

0:58:13explain later Scott McNulty thanks for

0:58:15being here thanks for having me i am

0:58:17happy to always have you and we talked

0:58:20about something that was tv-related in

0:58:22my book related which is also a special

0:58:24it's true

0:58:25yeah i'm reading a book you recommended

0:58:27by the way I hope you like it hey end

0:58:30time heart tells me that a last

0:58:32Christmas day I was also reading a book

0:58:33specifically recommended by you so thank

0:58:36you for taking this is my Christmas card

0:58:38utilizes have you you are Mike same but

0:58:43you are my Christmas miracle skies right

0:58:45you complete me guess you get a real

0:58:48good inflation thank you for being here

0:58:49thank you for having me it was glad we

0:58:53caught you to pop in there at the last

0:58:55minute David Laura thank you as always

0:58:58and thank you as always and Dan Morgan

0:59:00thanks for skyping in from far-off lands

0:59:04where there's no there's so much now

0:59:07well Papa needs a brand-new set of

0:59:08generations yep it had happened it was

0:59:10it was a moral imperative answer any

0:59:12cold well thanks for thanks for popping

0:59:14and also from a land of snow and ice

0:59:17you're most welcome sitting by the fake

0:59:19fire so that works well we'll keep you

0:59:21fake warm so that's good

0:59:23yeah all right and everybody out there

0:59:26for listening thank you for tuning into

0:59:28this crazy flash cast addition we'll be

0:59:30back right after the new year for our

0:59:34exciting annual clips show / best of

0:59:382013 episode and yes that we will

0:59:41remember when Steve picked that moment

0:59:44where he picked that moment where he

0:59:45picks Skeletor so stay tuned for that in

0:59:48this is wrapping 2013-14 comfortable by

0:59:50everybody