Roderick on the Line

Ep. 03: "The Viet Cong Can Smell the Soap"


00:00:00   hello hi John how are you I'm well [TS]

00:00:09   Merlin how are you [TS]

00:00:10   oh you're sick right I'm sick and I i'm [TS]

00:00:15   having a peanut butter sandwich so that [TS]

00:00:17   that makes it sound like I'm sicker than [TS]

00:00:19   I am [TS]

00:00:20   oh man i know well you know when i get [TS]

00:00:24   sick it's never a small matter i'm not i [TS]

00:00:27   don't get sick for two days I get sick [TS]

00:00:30   for 420 days and it's a it's like a it's [TS]

00:00:35   like it's like merging my people out of [TS]

00:00:39   Egypt I have to go through all this [TS]

00:00:41   stuff it doesn't matter if it doesn't [TS]

00:00:44   matter if everybody else got the same [TS]

00:00:45   cold and they're all over it by the [TS]

00:00:47   weekend [TS]

00:00:47   I have to go through this long march [TS]

00:00:49   across the this season after part the [TS]

00:00:54   plagues have to come [TS]

00:00:56   it's it's frustrating you get sick hard [TS]

00:01:00   i do i get sick heart I you know that's [TS]

00:01:02   part of being extreme food is part of [TS]

00:01:06   non no compromise lifestyle that I have [TS]

00:01:09   adopted since I was a young man no fear [TS]

00:01:14   this is no fear based lifestyle program [TS]

00:01:17   surely a bird of totally burly like [TS]

00:01:21   shrimping you know where I got hurley [TS]

00:01:24   you got to Lee to lay how do you say [TS]

00:01:27   that what you want is on your car right [TS]

00:01:28   totally is that doesn't matter where you [TS]

00:01:31   put a bird on it [TS]

00:01:32   oh I was like something I've frito-lay I [TS]

00:01:36   think about going to get that thing you [TS]

00:01:38   know it's against like the carabiners [TS]

00:01:40   right when you got one of those things [TS]

00:01:41   on your car [TS]

00:01:42   I don't you put in some kind of board [TS]

00:01:43   support is a movement related board [TS]

00:01:45   oh you know where I guess you like you [TS]

00:01:48   like board related movement so much and [TS]

00:01:51   you go somewhere and deliberately by a [TS]

00:01:53   big black box and put on top is a tool a [TS]

00:01:56   tool that's the kind of like oh I see [TS]

00:01:58   what you're saying it's a board carrying [TS]

00:02:00   missiles aboard carrying box on your car [TS]

00:02:03   you have any stickers on you're still [TS]

00:02:05   the same van as you get some different [TS]

00:02:07   the van blew up I'm afraid to say I [TS]

00:02:09   didn't have any stickers on it but when [TS]

00:02:11   I was it when I was a teenager I [TS]

00:02:13   definitely had a Chrysler Imperial a 74 [TS]

00:02:19   chrysler imperial when I was a kid and [TS]

00:02:22   also also known as a pussy magnet [TS]

00:02:24   boy we call it the boat because he [TS]

00:02:27   didn't use words like pussy know in high [TS]

00:02:29   school except to describe wimps but my [TS]

00:02:33   car had so many stickers on the back and [TS]

00:02:37   they were all stickers they were all [TS]

00:02:40   like Solomon binding stickers you know [TS]

00:02:44   they were up there about ski equipment [TS]

00:02:46   and it was it's a private language right [TS]

00:02:50   i mean one of those cars we drive past [TS]

00:02:52   you and it would seem like they just had [TS]

00:02:54   they had chosen random letters and [TS]

00:02:56   numbers to put on the stickers on the [TS]

00:02:57   back of their carpet but I was [TS]

00:02:59   communicating very definitely that from [TS]

00:03:02   the back of my car you could tell that i [TS]

00:03:04   thought if you had tyrolia bindings on [TS]

00:03:07   your skis that you were pussy mean [TS]

00:03:10   really that was that will come through [TS]

00:03:12   and be like a red sox affiliation keeps [TS]

00:03:15   would see that instantly and you could [TS]

00:03:17   say like you know ty Cobbs racist and [TS]

00:03:18   everybody would know you probably didn't [TS]

00:03:20   like whatever team he was on against the [TS]

00:03:21   Yankee's runs out [TS]

00:03:23   wow so I mean if you had given me a pair [TS]

00:03:26   of skis with tyrolia bindings on them in [TS]

00:03:28   1984 I would have refused them because [TS]

00:03:32   you're not a pussy because I'm not a [TS]

00:03:34   pussy and I'm not going to i'm not going [TS]

00:03:35   to use that brand there are only four [TS]

00:03:38   brands of ski bindings but I had chosen [TS]

00:03:42   sides and I expressed that partisanship [TS]

00:03:46   through stickers on the back of my [TS]

00:03:49   Chrysler and they're all but those are [TS]

00:03:51   all its so guys five shows that's so [TS]

00:03:54   interesting to me because it's if you [TS]

00:03:56   think about have you ever seen an [TS]

00:03:59   Atlantic Records bumper sticker [TS]

00:04:01   mmm i'm gonna guess not no great label [TS]

00:04:04   right put a lot of great stuff wasn't [TS]

00:04:06   the R&B and then they did the led [TS]

00:04:08   zeppelin but you then eventually your [TS]

00:04:10   buddies right with the respect of cabs [TS]

00:04:12   on atlantic yeah I had an SST records [TS]

00:04:15   are right when you do see punk-rock [TS]

00:04:19   bumpers [TS]

00:04:19   but that's the thing I mean it'sit's to [TS]

00:04:22   me this sounds ridiculous because I [TS]

00:04:23   don't understand why people ski I mean [TS]

00:04:26   right it's not like you can just buy a [TS]

00:04:27   scissor jack and hit your leg till it [TS]

00:04:28   broke [TS]

00:04:29   hmm i don't know how that works on my [TS]

00:04:30   mechanics and fresh air you look that's [TS]

00:04:33   that's already a date-rape right there a [TS]

00:04:35   lot of date rape and skiing [TS]

00:04:36   well there's a lot of drinking and [TS]

00:04:39   skiing and wherever there's drinking [TS]

00:04:41   dances a fun date rape silent epidemic [TS]

00:04:44   mm ok although no way that's not true [TS]

00:04:46   because there's a lot of drinking in [TS]

00:04:48   rugby but there are no girls and rugby [TS]

00:04:51   so I think the date rape is a lot lower [TS]

00:04:53   in rugby because it's us it's a [TS]

00:04:56   100-percent male environment and I know [TS]

00:04:59   there's female rugby so sure I'm and and [TS]

00:05:04   put this is probably out somewhere [TS]

00:05:05   there's probably a female Steely Dan [TS]

00:05:07   fancy that's exceptional person [TS]

00:05:09   right exactly I don't rugby players and [TS]

00:05:11   Mail rugby players i don't think i've [TS]

00:05:12   ever met [TS]

00:05:13   do you think there's more date rape in [TS]

00:05:15   rugby and lacrosse no no lacrosse is [TS]

00:05:18   weighed eight rapier than rugby party [TS]

00:05:20   equipment you can on a sports basement [TS]

00:05:22   you know I'll but like crosses [TS]

00:05:24   I mean I don't really think there's the [TS]

00:05:26   cross on the west coast is there [TS]

00:05:27   LaCrosses is the cross is big where my [TS]

00:05:29   ladies from back in Rhode Island [TS]

00:05:32   ya see and Rhode Island to me when I [TS]

00:05:34   think of going to school in Rhode Island [TS]

00:05:36   I think of it being basically a series [TS]

00:05:40   of rapes right that you have to get [TS]

00:05:43   through in order to to graduate a life [TS]

00:05:46   with a lot of food with eggs in it there [TS]

00:05:48   because of the Portuguese that's [TS]

00:05:50   something i didn't know although i did [TS]

00:05:52   know that the Rhode Island mafia is a it [TS]

00:05:56   was a kind of a terrifying local mafia [TS]

00:05:59   if you will [TS]

00:06:00   they weren't behind never became like a [TS]

00:06:02   big mafia but they were I don't carry [TS]

00:06:04   side out the headlines in the same way [TS]

00:06:06   that that the five families did right [TS]

00:06:09   they were they were small they were they [TS]

00:06:11   were an artisanal mafia em Arsenal the [TS]

00:06:15   now is that glucose glucose is the club [TS]

00:06:17   there right you played a loop us [TS]

00:06:18   I never played at lupos the onlyshow [TS]

00:06:20   i've ever played in Rhode Island have to [TS]

00:06:23   confess was when i was in harvey danger [TS]

00:06:27   and we played in a we played in only [TS]

00:06:30   like the david byrne school did you play [TS]

00:06:32   at the [TS]

00:06:33   no resting now are you kidding there's [TS]

00:06:36   not that many cities besides providence [TS]

00:06:37   rhode island there aren't and Providence [TS]

00:06:40   even really is stretching the limits of [TS]

00:06:43   the definition of the city [TS]

00:06:44   I I don't want to go down tangent John [TS]

00:06:47   but I and I have a lot of people will [TS]

00:06:49   literally have computers and stuff in [TS]

00:06:51   and read on so we're probably clear life [TS]

00:06:53   and got eggs in their food and yeah a [TS]

00:06:59   lot of parties lot of you know um I [TS]

00:07:02   might get stretch and stretch the [TS]

00:07:03   Colorado State it's kind of like on [TS]

00:07:05   liechtenstein the country you can rent [TS]

00:07:06   liechtenstein known as you know that we [TS]

00:07:07   should circle back to that 20 grand that [TS]

00:07:09   you can write liechtenstein did you know [TS]

00:07:10   what you know it's a great country [TS]

00:07:12   liechtenstein is that the one with the [TS]

00:07:13   stamps isn't standard sale about the [TS]

00:07:16   stamps welcome studies about banking mm [TS]

00:07:20   it's about it's about i mean if the [TS]

00:07:22   Swiss are too revealing for you [TS]

00:07:26   oh I get anybody a victim stone right [TS]

00:07:29   it's like I it's like a mattress nobody [TS]

00:07:31   even as exists [TS]

00:07:32   yeah but the problem with liechtenstein [TS]

00:07:34   is that it's really just gets its [TS]

00:07:37   release part of Switzerland that they [TS]

00:07:38   just are allowing to kind of they use [TS]

00:07:42   the swiss franc yeah i like the Vatican [TS]

00:07:44   yeah that's right it's a it's like a [TS]

00:07:46   Vatican for the vacuums Vatican's in [TS]

00:07:49   Luxembourg that's right Luxembourg is [TS]

00:07:50   the one with the stamps luxembourg [TS]

00:07:52   philately hmm that doesn't sound right [TS]

00:07:55   at all [TS]

00:07:55   luxembourg is a great country is that [TS]

00:07:57   really really little one is that the one [TS]

00:07:58   with the mouse that roared with Peter [TS]

00:08:00   Sellers Luxembourg is very very small [TS]

00:08:02   it's small but it's got a fascinating [TS]

00:08:05   history you know they speak french they [TS]

00:08:07   speak Dutch they speak German especially [TS]

00:08:10   like mirrors like that it's like the [TS]

00:08:11   mirrors the shadow cabinet Switzerland [TS]

00:08:13   right so it's really can't decide what [TS]

00:08:15   they speak right well switzerland is [TS]

00:08:18   someone's a wonderful country they speak [TS]

00:08:19   German Italian and French but uh but no [TS]

00:08:26   the election burgers tiny tiny town a [TS]

00:08:28   tiny tiny country and then that the city [TS]

00:08:30   of luxembourg luxembourg as a country [TS]

00:08:33   and it's also a city the city of [TS]

00:08:35   Luxembourg is like a train set it [TS]

00:08:39   seriously is you stand in this and that [TS]

00:08:41   they built it and on this ravine and [TS]

00:08:44   it's always kind of shrouded in fog and [TS]

00:08:46   it looks like people [TS]

00:08:47   takin a likin out of a bag and glued it [TS]

00:08:50   to little pieces of rock that they made [TS]

00:08:54   out of out of a felt it's um it's a [TS]

00:08:58   beautiful place if I was ever going to [TS]

00:09:00   go on a honeymoon somewhere and it [TS]

00:09:03   wasn't to a beach i would go on a [TS]

00:09:06   honeymoon to luxembourg because you feel [TS]

00:09:08   like a princess there even the groom [TS]

00:09:10   yeah feels like a princess and [TS]

00:09:12   Luxembourg it says it right there on the [TS]

00:09:14   side when you come in this is what I'm [TS]

00:09:16   learning so much i don't get off topic [TS]

00:09:19   but alright have you no no i wasn't sure [TS]

00:09:22   what the topic is you had so many have [TS]

00:09:24   you on never used wolfram alpha I think [TS]

00:09:27   it's something you need to know about I [TS]

00:09:29   don't even know what you just said we [TS]

00:09:30   have one worker for I'm gonna certainly [TS]

00:09:33   speak fanatically but there's a there's [TS]

00:09:35   a website if you will from like wolf RAM [TS]

00:09:38   from is a word and then search for alpha [TS]

00:09:40   and it's kind of like Google full form [TS]

00:09:43   is a word that's the guys name he's [TS]

00:09:44   going to invented a program for doing [TS]

00:09:46   math he's really weird but you're gonna [TS]

00:09:48   III many times like when i was able to [TS]

00:09:50   look up what it costs to sleep on a [TS]

00:09:52   board in San Francisco 18-49 I did that [TS]

00:09:55   on here [TS]

00:09:55   Oh wolfram alpha is a website and see [TS]

00:09:59   there you go in and say things like oh [TS]

00:10:01   good you go in and say something like [TS]

00:10:03   out like I just entered in Liechtenstein [TS]

00:10:05   and in the word san francisco and i can [TS]

00:10:07   tell you and then it wasn't much stuff [TS]

00:10:09   did you mean this did you mean that what [TS]

00:10:10   it says here is that liechtenstein are [TS]

00:10:12   you ready for this [TS]

00:10:13   first of all San Francisco as you know [TS]

00:10:15   46.8 seven square miles [TS]

00:10:18   that's right so we're about to set [TS]

00:10:21   working to seven by seven more or less [TS]

00:10:23   concerned that goes down that goes down [TS]

00:10:25   to that doesn't go all the way to palo [TS]

00:10:28   alto no no it's literally the clan since [TS]

00:10:30   the glans of the penis if you envision [TS]

00:10:32   that Peninsula the painting you can't [TS]

00:10:34   spell peninsula that penis not [TS]

00:10:36   liechtenstein so that was about 7 46 [TS]

00:10:39   well you know depends depends on whether [TS]

00:10:40   I've been drinking 46.8 seven square [TS]

00:10:43   miles in san francisco and by the way to [TS]

00:10:45   your point about liechtenstein it is [TS]

00:10:47   that is as san francisco county is also [TS]

00:10:50   San Francisco the city which seems weird [TS]

00:10:52   i don't know why even have a county if [TS]

00:10:53   it equals the city right right as it is [TS]

00:10:56   right for this you get that in your head [TS]

00:10:57   down Sinai ready for this [TS]

00:11:00   point seven eight square miles right [TS]

00:11:02   send you a link for that [TS]

00:11:04   that's when he doesn't that I mean I'm [TS]

00:11:08   not even sure i'm not sure how you get [TS]

00:11:09   like to the whatever the DMV of [TS]

00:11:10   countries is I'm not even sure how you [TS]

00:11:12   get in there and like have them take you [TS]

00:11:14   seriously when they say are you sure you [TS]

00:11:16   didn't leave off like 700 the great [TS]

00:11:21   thing about liechtenstein is that the [TS]

00:11:23   western border is a river right so you [TS]

00:11:26   hear you know that you're in [TS]

00:11:27   Liechtenstein could you go across the [TS]

00:11:29   river and then hit the ground [TS]

00:11:32   immediately starts barking up into a [TS]

00:11:35   mountain and the entire you actually get [TS]

00:11:38   in there you go on your walk [TS]

00:11:40   no I didn't go there when i walk but [TS]

00:11:42   I've been there yeah wow ok and then it [TS]

00:11:45   the country just sort of Arc's up the [TS]

00:11:47   side of this mountain and then the the [TS]

00:11:51   border with Austria which is on the [TS]

00:11:53   eastern side is just up there in the [TS]

00:11:55   misty clouds somewhere so the whole [TS]

00:11:57   country is basically just the western [TS]

00:12:00   side of a love of the Alps it's just the [TS]

00:12:04   western side of them of this mountain of [TS]

00:12:06   this long range of mountains it's just a [TS]

00:12:08   little bigger than a zoo right i mean [TS]

00:12:11   you can you can stand on the one side of [TS]

00:12:13   the river and see the entire nation of [TS]

00:12:16   liechtenstein way it's like pigs [TS]

00:12:19   remember the dead the morning after I [TS]

00:12:20   met you your band and ken stringfellow [TS]

00:12:22   and my wife and I went to twin peaks and [TS]

00:12:24   we went up there and you can see the [TS]

00:12:26   entire city of San Francisco formulation [TS]

00:12:28   full day that was the first time I'd [TS]

00:12:29   ever been up there [TS]

00:12:30   yeah i was heavier than i have a photo [TS]

00:12:31   that orange hair and ken stringfellow [TS]

00:12:33   had green hair [TS]

00:12:34   you did have Oringer ken stringfellow [TS]

00:12:35   did have green air and that was it was [TS]

00:12:38   not be coming on either of you your old [TS]

00:12:39   man and you should have stopped that so [TS]

00:12:41   that's true that's true and i'm still in [TS]

00:12:42   a nice don't really completely [TS]

00:12:43   understand how he was outside during [TS]

00:12:45   daylight [TS]

00:12:45   you got to tell me about it [TS]

00:12:48   that's a nasty cold John you you get [TS]

00:12:51   sick hard i do i do it i want to correct [TS]

00:12:55   something [TS]

00:12:56   according to the guardian UK reporting [TS]

00:12:58   for the guardian UK and mean send mass [TS]

00:13:00   clarifies liechtenstein for hire 70,000 [TS]

00:13:03   dollars a night that is not a huge [TS]

00:13:05   amount of money i bet you've gotten [TS]

00:13:06   nearly that four shows sometimes you can [TS]

00:13:08   rip liechtenstein for 70 grand [TS]

00:13:10   liechtenstein rental skates like you [TS]

00:13:12   know like in in the michael moore movie [TS]

00:13:13   when you can like go to the benefit [TS]

00:13:16   we're like a rich person in jail [TS]

00:13:17   same deal here you go in and I think it [TS]

00:13:19   includes a few things look at that looks [TS]

00:13:21   like he tried the Snoop Dogg tried to do [TS]

00:13:24   a music video [TS]

00:13:25   they're on different and weird 35 [TS]

00:13:29   thousand inhabitants [TS]

00:13:30   wow that sounds pretty comfortable that [TS]

00:13:32   sounds like a like a couple in a [TS]

00:13:33   four-bedroom house that sounds very [TS]

00:13:34   comfortable it's nice i mean there and [TS]

00:13:37   it's not a poor country there's now [TS]

00:13:38   there's no ghetto and Liechtenstein [TS]

00:13:40   kinda mention one thing and passing this [TS]

00:13:42   little circles back to something as I'm [TS]

00:13:44   quoting here from this article visitors [TS]

00:13:46   could also try cross-country skiing [TS]

00:13:49   snowboarding and snowshoe hiking to [TS]

00:13:52   explore the picturesque landscape so [TS]

00:13:54   they do have skiing licks in [TS]

00:13:56   Liechtenstein yeah i bet they do [TS]

00:13:58   it's the whole country's on a mountain [TS]

00:14:00   like I said yeah but I mean like they're [TS]

00:14:02   putting that to use and I just sitting [TS]

00:14:04   around staring the mound trying to [TS]

00:14:05   figure out what to do twin peaks i think [TS]

00:14:07   that the primary industry up there is [TS]

00:14:08   chinese ladies selling San Francisco [TS]

00:14:11   fleeces to people who refuse to believe [TS]

00:14:12   that it's cold all the time up there you [TS]

00:14:15   know women i heard just something very [TS]

00:14:17   recently that they were building a big [TS]

00:14:18   stem cell research center are like that [TS]

00:14:22   kind of hug to the side of twin peaks is [TS]

00:14:24   that not true [TS]

00:14:25   are you kidding me no like a giant [TS]

00:14:27   secret stem cell research laboratory [TS]

00:14:30   laboratory territory now they're calling [TS]

00:14:32   it that's up there on the other like [TS]

00:14:36   hanging on the mountainside that seems [TS]

00:14:40   to be I mean you know I follow sort of [TS]

00:14:41   the stem cell right seen and that was [TS]

00:14:46   all the all abuzz all the guys now I i [TS]

00:14:48   followed the the Twin Peaks news i mean [TS]

00:14:51   they have a newsletter article for the [TS]

00:14:52   newsletter very small circulation [TS]

00:14:54   it's in Chinese though it might be in my [TS]

00:14:57   head [TS]

00:14:57   oh the problems you want to read it [TS]

00:14:59   again an hour later why is it always [TS]

00:15:01   funny I don't want to be funny John [TS]

00:15:03   that's racist [TS]

00:15:05   well I mean it depends i mean its [TS]

00:15:07   original but not racists racial traits [TS]

00:15:10   show Rachel yeah like Rachel Rachel [TS]

00:15:12   Weisz do you see you at the college like [TS]

00:15:15   in your way right sort of okay well i [TS]

00:15:17   was going to try and drop some kind of [TS]

00:15:18   science but I remember if i'm [TS]

00:15:20   remembering like what you guys duh that [TS]

00:15:22   the university of washington which is [TS]

00:15:24   your alma mater i believe ya you were [TS]

00:15:26   when you deal with dewey decimal or like [TS]

00:15:28   library of congress i'm guessing library [TS]

00:15:30   of congress you at [TS]

00:15:32   well yeah there are multiple libraries [TS]

00:15:33   at the YouTube but hold on different [TS]

00:15:35   systems that's like that's like that's [TS]

00:15:37   crazy there well I think the I think the [TS]

00:15:40   oh I think they have standardized it now [TS]

00:15:44   ok now i would have to look this up and [TS]

00:15:46   look this up after our visit god i wish [TS]

00:15:48   i could give you some theraflu I mean [TS]

00:15:50   that's just--that's awful John well I [TS]

00:15:51   just drank a whole lot of robitussin [TS]

00:15:53   which is something i don't know i don't [TS]

00:15:57   like to take medicine now as as you know [TS]

00:15:59   because it it goes against my core [TS]

00:16:01   values that you're perfect [TS]

00:16:03   well that I'm perfect and that also i [TS]

00:16:06   can endure any pain and also that drugs [TS]

00:16:10   are bad so that that's kind of a perfect [TS]

00:16:12   storm right that's the but that's the [TS]

00:16:14   the Trinity for me who I am perfect and [TS]

00:16:18   drugs are bad experience more properly a [TS]

00:16:20   storm of your perfection [TS]

00:16:22   well you have to get close to really [TS]

00:16:25   feel this feel the wind really get a [TS]

00:16:27   good whiff of the i.m i agree with you i [TS]

00:16:30   think i think it you're like a marine [TS]

00:16:32   right you want you you tonight [TS]

00:16:36   oh sorry yeah i mean not like the [TS]

00:16:38   adjectives like you you cannot get the [TS]

00:16:41   child cold enough for the bed hard [TS]

00:16:43   enough right you like it or in my case [TS]

00:16:45   talking shaped enough [TS]

00:16:46   yeah well you know that's why I I [TS]

00:16:48   originally started shaving without [TS]

00:16:51   lather and then I then I progress to [TS]

00:16:54   just shaving without water like that's [TS]

00:16:56   like that's like a punishment in english [TS]

00:16:58   movie isn't it no no because I read it [TS]

00:17:00   in a special forces handbook i got a [TS]

00:17:02   sister I found some old Special Forces [TS]

00:17:04   handbook from the sixties and they said [TS]

00:17:07   don't use lather because the Vietcong [TS]

00:17:09   can smell the soap song will identify [TS]

00:17:14   you in the jungle by the smell of your [TS]

00:17:16   detergent and they'll find you and I [TS]

00:17:20   said I don't that's not what I want I [TS]

00:17:21   don't want the Vietcong finding me [TS]

00:17:23   that's an enemy without a cold if you [TS]

00:17:25   can smell that that's that's astounding [TS]

00:17:27   well they're very attuned to their [TS]

00:17:29   environment the vehicle and they hide so [TS]

00:17:31   well that really in the pnw there might [TS]

00:17:33   be Vietcong around you right now just [TS]

00:17:35   waiting to get a whiff and go you know [TS]

00:17:37   what that's an American wherever i go i [TS]

00:17:39   assume there are Viacom I don't think [TS]

00:17:41   that's bad i think i think that's it's [TS]

00:17:43   self-preservation [TS]

00:17:44   agreed I so anyway and stop using ladder [TS]

00:17:47   because I didn't want to give off this [TS]

00:17:49   scent that think that betrayed my my [TS]

00:17:52   location and then after awhile I was [TS]

00:17:54   like I'm just I'm shaving with with with [TS]

00:17:58   water [TS]

00:17:59   what would happen if I started shaving [TS]

00:18:00   with cold water and they tried that and [TS]

00:18:03   it was painful and then i said what [TS]

00:18:05   would happen if I just stopped using [TS]

00:18:07   water and just shaved dry and it's also [TS]

00:18:10   painful but there's a there's a beauty [TS]

00:18:13   to it there's a and then of course [TS]

00:18:15   eventually I just stopped shaving that's [TS]

00:18:17   what I was my question [TS]

00:18:18   I mean if you're in Special Forces I [TS]

00:18:20   appreciate that you're taking that time [TS]

00:18:22   working that hard for us boo is [TS]

00:18:24   everything you just wouldn't shave I i [TS]

00:18:28   stopped shaving at a certain point i [TS]

00:18:30   mean i always show you now you must [TS]

00:18:32   actually people that the whatever they [TS]

00:18:34   were there a time like airborne or just [TS]

00:18:36   like all right well here's the problem [TS]

00:18:38   with airborne they are they wouldn't [TS]

00:18:40   shave that I you know I'm not not [TS]

00:18:42   airborne but I'm not about Special [TS]

00:18:43   Forces like the seals and LOL Cats [TS]

00:18:46   higher up [TS]

00:18:46   translate black ops kind of thing that's [TS]

00:18:48   right those guys they wouldn't shave [TS]

00:18:50   those guys would have beard they have [TS]

00:18:52   Taliban beards if they could get away [TS]

00:18:54   with it but they're part of a corporate [TS]

00:18:56   structure and they have to make it they [TS]

00:18:59   have to go back to the base and some [TS]

00:19:01   candy-ass general has never been out in [TS]

00:19:04   the shit storm probably tonight by [TS]

00:19:07   jeffrey chance you know a he says I [TS]

00:19:09   don't like how long your sideburns are [TS]

00:19:11   and these guys have to go fucking shame [TS]

00:19:13   it's it's it's ridiculous is you notice [TS]

00:19:16   Dirty Dozen that's not thinking of Dirty [TS]

00:19:17   Dozen Dirty Dozen is the one where [TS]

00:19:20   James copper is that after i like it was [TS]

00:19:23   Julie marvin lee marvin oh it was Lee [TS]

00:19:25   Marvin Marvin is going to make i think [TS]

00:19:27   george kennedy go and shave the guys [TS]

00:19:29   because they grow beards isn't that the [TS]

00:19:31   Dirty Dozen you think I'm gonna shave [TS]

00:19:33   them dry shaving or whatever and and the [TS]

00:19:37   keeper southern ones dad is in that he [TS]

00:19:39   plays the crazy and it was crazy [TS]

00:19:41   not as crazy as Telly Savalas Telly [TS]

00:19:43   Savalas coach acting really crazy one [TS]

00:19:45   that's a good movie [TS]

00:19:46   it gets its use whatever it's a seems [TS]

00:19:49   formula but yea it's going on [TS]

00:19:51   well it's like stagecoach you know if [TS]

00:19:52   you're stagecoach but you will see [TS]

00:19:54   stagecoach you realize like this is I I [TS]

00:19:57   realize it's another great westerns [TS]

00:19:58   right to get the Shan High Noon very [TS]

00:20:00   overrated in my opinion the stagecoach [TS]

00:20:02   you watching oh this is where all this [TS]

00:20:04   came from em when you watching like why [TS]

00:20:06   this is such a cliche but it wasn't it [TS]

00:20:07   was like 1939 I think that's what's [TS]

00:20:09   happening the Dirty Dozen and it was the [TS]

00:20:12   first one to have like bearded whack go [TS]

00:20:15   that I got was talking about this the [TS]

00:20:17   other night I i was a I mean I was an [TS]

00:20:20   Anglophile as a kid right [TS]

00:20:23   I really really liked England for some [TS]

00:20:25   reason what era [TS]

00:20:27   oh just you know England if you put if [TS]

00:20:29   you put if you put a Union Jack on [TS]

00:20:31   something i would buy it and I and in [TS]

00:20:33   that sense I was a pro mod but it was [TS]

00:20:36   but it was a long time before I was [TS]

00:20:38   aware that it was just England you you [TS]

00:20:40   know ye old castles and so forth and I [TS]

00:20:43   think the reason for that is that every [TS]

00:20:45   movie I saw as a kid there were the [TS]

00:20:48   American guy there was always a team of [TS]

00:20:51   guys right there was the American guy [TS]

00:20:52   who was kind of officious and handsome [TS]

00:20:56   and kind of a kind of penis and then [TS]

00:20:59   there was some kind of ready guy from [TS]

00:21:01   Yugoslavia who was like a who is good [TS]

00:21:04   with a knife and then the british guy [TS]

00:21:06   was always a little bit faggy and he [TS]

00:21:09   carried a briefcase that was for [TS]

00:21:11   explosives and he always had a he always [TS]

00:21:15   had a quip and the other guys were [TS]

00:21:17   always saying come on come on the [TS]

00:21:19   cherries are coming and he would say [TS]

00:21:20   just one more second old chap and I'll [TS]

00:21:22   have this wide right up and then then he [TS]

00:21:25   would blow up the bridge right it was [TS]

00:21:27   always the british guy ended up the cool [TS]

00:21:29   as a cucumber [TS]

00:21:30   it was cool as a cucumber he had a [TS]

00:21:32   little bit of it was ready mix [TS]

00:21:33   Ali a little bitty thing to say right [TS]

00:21:35   before he blew up the bridge and as a [TS]

00:21:37   seven or eight year old boy that is the [TS]

00:21:39   guy I wanted to be [TS]

00:21:41   yeah i did not want to be there the [TS]

00:21:43   American hero with the square jaw and I [TS]

00:21:45   certainly didn't want to be the ratty [TS]

00:21:46   guy with the knife and I didn't want to [TS]

00:21:48   be the you know I didn't want to be the [TS]

00:21:49   fight of the kind of guy that was a [TS]

00:21:52   little twisted [TS]

00:21:53   you know I wanted to be this wanted to [TS]

00:21:55   be this slightly effeminate British [TS]

00:21:58   explosives expert that had a little quip [TS]

00:22:02   with it and took it right to the very [TS]

00:22:04   edge and here came to Jerry's and all [TS]

00:22:06   they were halfway across the bridge and [TS]

00:22:07   boom that's like I'm i totally agree [TS]

00:22:12   it's kind of like um why don't I i think [TS]

00:22:14   if you took if you took out the part [TS]

00:22:16   about being cool and having a bomb [TS]

00:22:18   that's pretty much me like faggy [TS]

00:22:20   briefcase and equip like kind of a kind [TS]

00:22:22   of a smartass I think that was that was [TS]

00:22:24   me and we accept the indie books instead [TS]

00:22:25   of a bomb i was totally with you though [TS]

00:22:27   I'm thinking like you get David Niven [TS]

00:22:29   right you got Alec Guinness thank you [TS]

00:22:31   yes Alec it's like and here's the thing [TS]

00:22:34   this is where we tied together Alec [TS]

00:22:35   Guinness in Bridge on the River Kwai [TS]

00:22:37   right thats why u shape shape because [TS]

00:22:39   you're fucking Alec Guinness and you're [TS]

00:22:41   not gonna let that guy push you around [TS]

00:22:42   right you shape because again can I just [TS]

00:22:44   say English guys slaughterhouse-five the [TS]

00:22:46   English guys in a slaughterhouse five [TS]

00:22:48   they kept our wire they told they told [TS]

00:22:50   billy pilgrim you got to keep your [TS]

00:22:52   dignity and every morning I get up I do [TS]

00:22:54   rigorous exercise and i evacuate my [TS]

00:22:56   bowels that might be exact quote but [TS]

00:22:57   it's close to be calm and carry on [TS]

00:23:00   precisely precisely and you think that's [TS]

00:23:03   part of your it seems like that might be [TS]

00:23:04   part of your eat this maybe not about [TS]

00:23:05   shaving maybe not about bombs maybe not [TS]

00:23:07   about evacuating your bowels but there [TS]

00:23:09   are certain things you set a standard [TS]

00:23:11   for yourself and and that's something [TS]

00:23:13   that that that's a light that [TS]

00:23:15   illuminates the path for you [TS]

00:23:16   it illuminates the path that's precisely [TS]

00:23:18   true if i wake up in the morning and I [TS]

00:23:20   think everything is nuts and i am also [TS]

00:23:24   nuts the fact that i can go in and if I [TS]

00:23:29   chose shave without using water gives me [TS]

00:23:33   some clarity [TS]

00:23:34   it enables me to say I can handle this [TS]

00:23:38   whatever if there are Vietcong in my [TS]

00:23:41   apple trees they're not going to smell [TS]

00:23:44   me today [TS]

00:23:46   because I shaved without using detergent [TS]

00:23:49   it and you really shouldn't you should [TS]

00:23:53   have been in Vietnam that well I thought [TS]

00:23:57   about it I mean I what I think i would [TS]

00:23:59   like to be any kind of i think i'd like [TS]

00:24:03   my father before me I realized something [TS]

00:24:07   about my dad as I was growing up I [TS]

00:24:09   realized that he had read so many books [TS]

00:24:11   about the CIA that in his imagination he [TS]

00:24:18   was living a parallel life where he was [TS]

00:24:21   in the CIA [TS]

00:24:23   mhm and I i didn't i didn't know that [TS]

00:24:26   until much later in life [TS]

00:24:28   existential hypochondria we read about [TS]

00:24:31   it is easy to read about the disease so [TS]

00:24:33   much you're pretty sure you got it yeah [TS]

00:24:35   right exactly and he had he thought he [TS]

00:24:37   was he thought he might be having a i [TS]

00:24:39   might as well have a second life he had [TS]

00:24:42   read so many John licari books where you [TS]

00:24:45   know where Smyly who walked across that [TS]

00:24:49   the Teva river and handed some guys on [TS]

00:24:52   microfiche that he believed in some way [TS]

00:24:55   that he had done these things and that [TS]

00:24:58   his actual life was just just the front [TS]

00:25:02   Justin cover for this real life that he [TS]

00:25:05   led since world war two [TS]

00:25:07   he was a World War to vet my dad and i [TS]

00:25:09   think i think that that that starting [TS]

00:25:12   somewhere back then he just had this [TS]

00:25:14   sort of i mean a very faint sense [TS]

00:25:17   impression that he had actually been on [TS]

00:25:20   a secret mission the whole time and for [TS]

00:25:22   all I know he was he couldn't really [TS]

00:25:24   tell with my dad maybe he was on a [TS]

00:25:26   secret mission the whole time but i have [TS]

00:25:29   the same thing i mean i've been i've [TS]

00:25:33   been sharpening my knives for so many [TS]

00:25:36   years that I i'm not sure that i haven't [TS]

00:25:39   it's the chuck barris problem i'm not [TS]

00:25:42   sure that I i will have been a spy this [TS]

00:25:44   whole time [TS]

00:25:45   that's it and that some I'm some sort of [TS]

00:25:47   manchurian candidate waiting for the [TS]

00:25:50   waiting for the right combination of of [TS]

00:25:53   of whistles and tweets and i'm going to [TS]

00:25:55   be activated [TS]

00:25:56   and go to go to work mhm [TS]

00:26:00   it's like it's like I thought your [TS]

00:26:02   you've got I'm just saying you might [TS]

00:26:05   have missed an opportunity here and [TS]

00:26:06   maybe you maybe you're meant to feel [TS]

00:26:08   like you missed an opportunity cuz i [TS]

00:26:09   think you might be a kind of sleeper [TS]

00:26:11   cell as you're describing like your [TS]

00:26:12   father before you possibly maybe not you [TS]

00:26:15   might be a sleeper cell you might be in [TS]

00:26:17   better shape than you think you might [TS]

00:26:19   actually be like what 60 you don't know [TS]

00:26:21   it may be again maybe there are Frank [TS]

00:26:23   Sinatra making you a little bit and [TS]

00:26:25   you're going to go you know go off and [TS]

00:26:27   take some people out you started [TS]

00:26:28   loosening about now it just strikes me [TS]

00:26:30   that you're paranoid almost to the point [TS]

00:26:31   of being a diplomatic not you like guns [TS]

00:26:34   your little paranoid and and I think [TS]

00:26:36   it's fair to say you feel really [TS]

00:26:37   underappreciated and often ask where's [TS]

00:26:39   my parade [TS]

00:26:39   mm so i don't i don't need email i'm [TS]

00:26:43   just saying this this could be something [TS]

00:26:44   to think about any metal mount ceiling [TS]

00:26:46   mount well that's why it's why I cried [TS]

00:26:49   through the truman show but I want to [TS]

00:26:51   see the truman show i sat down and I was [TS]

00:26:53   not a jim carrey fan I got dragged to [TS]

00:26:55   this movie by some people that thought [TS]

00:26:59   we were going to see that Ace Ventura [TS]

00:27:01   pet detective [TS]

00:27:02   they're like I'm not this jim carrey guy [TS]

00:27:04   let's go see this new movie we all went [TS]

00:27:06   to this man I was just you know it was [TS]

00:27:09   either batter in alcoholics Anonymous [TS]

00:27:10   meeting I was I'll go to the movie with [TS]

00:27:12   you fine right and i sat down already [TS]

00:27:15   po-faced just waiting for this to be a [TS]

00:27:18   terrible movie where he he did his with [TS]

00:27:22   the whole time and and the movie starts [TS]

00:27:24   and before the credits or even over i'm [TS]

00:27:26   balling I ball through the whole film [TS]

00:27:28   and I can we get to the end and the [TS]

00:27:32   lights come up and my friends are like [TS]

00:27:33   oh that wasn't very funny and I just I [TS]

00:27:37   stood up and said I have to go and when [TS]

00:27:41   I walked the city streets for hours [TS]

00:27:42   trying to figure out why the hell the [TS]

00:27:44   truman show affected me so strongly and [TS]

00:27:48   it's because i'm entering candidate [TS]

00:27:52   hmm well it got a little bit too close [TS]

00:27:55   little too close [TS]

00:27:57   something guy waged out a little bit you [TS]

00:28:00   saw the camera basically I did I did I [TS]

00:28:02   saw the glint of the camera lens but [TS]

00:28:05   then when I turned to look it was gone [TS]

00:28:07   I could not put my finger on it now but [TS]

00:28:10   the Clint yeah I felt that way about [TS]

00:28:13   Synecdoche New York I can't even watch [TS]

00:28:15   the trailer for that without crying I [TS]

00:28:17   can't watch [TS]

00:28:18   schenectady new york because it's a [TS]

00:28:19   terrible movie now I 3accepted it is [TS]

00:28:22   probably one of the greatest movies ever [TS]

00:28:23   made and I people feel strongly about it [TS]

00:28:26   it's like The Smiths of movies i I just [TS]

00:28:29   I don't know if I get it is like the [TS]

00:28:32   smiths in the sense that I do forgive my [TS]

00:28:33   friends who are incorrect by not liking [TS]

00:28:35   this messy [TS]

00:28:36   I don't dismiss on Allison I like I'm on [TS]

00:28:38   Shawn Nelson level but i like about [TS]

00:28:41   colin Meloy level I don't think I like [TS]

00:28:43   anything on a column while level know [TS]

00:28:45   your loss [TS]

00:28:46   yeah but he's realized i'm talking to [TS]

00:28:51   you on a radio and i just took a bite of [TS]

00:28:53   a peanut butter and jelly sandwich [TS]

00:28:54   that's that's disadvantageous to the [TS]

00:28:57   listener [TS]

00:28:58   mhm because no one wants to hear a sick [TS]

00:29:01   person sandwich stick person had a [TS]

00:29:03   peanut butter sandwich into a microphone [TS]

00:29:05   I think for yourself short that's [TS]

00:29:08   terrible [TS]

00:29:09   I i like the guy that there i'm actually [TS]

00:29:12   I think there's probably one girl out [TS]

00:29:14   there that would listen to meet up being [TS]

00:29:17   understanding which into a microphone [TS]

00:29:19   don't say oh yeah that won't because [TS]

00:29:21   then that not now there's gonna be like [TS]

00:29:22   five girls who like ones into it for [TS]

00:29:24   more scared I'm gonna wonder i wonder [TS]

00:29:26   what I was like all five more like [TS]

00:29:31   that's me but one of them is like that's [TS]

00:29:33   me [TS]

00:29:34   I like ski bindings yeah and I can't [TS]

00:29:37   even tell you what section this is a [TS]

00:29:38   Naiad but like I just remember something [TS]

00:29:40   like like the BN spent a lot of time [TS]

00:29:41   like the biens first of all I had a hard [TS]

00:29:44   time at first Learning Library of [TS]

00:29:45   Congress because I come from the dewey [TS]

00:29:47   decimal system but then pretty soon I [TS]

00:29:49   look back on what the fuck is that what [TS]

00:29:51   is doing decimal you've got to be [TS]

00:29:52   fucking kidding me that's the most [TS]

00:29:53   stupid like it just didn't make any [TS]

00:29:56   sense you know and then i made a fancy [TS]

00:29:57   school and alone the library of congress [TS]

00:29:59   and never look back [TS]

00:30:00   right that not the same thing with some [TS]

00:30:02   procedures [TS]

00:30:03   what's that it's like inches and miles [TS]

00:30:06   somebody just somebody stuck their pinky [TS]

00:30:08   out and said that's how long it is [TS]

00:30:10   mm oh yes I understand it's not related [TS]

00:30:13   to anything [TS]

00:30:14   oh you mean inches and miles vs [TS]

00:30:18   something like centimeters where there's [TS]

00:30:19   something in a bell jar [TS]

00:30:21   under this thing weighs a gram and [TS]

00:30:23   that's the gold standard for measurement [TS]

00:30:24   right right i can get behind that I also [TS]

00:30:27   like the books I like we're near the [TS]

00:30:28   beginning was pretty into that [TS]

00:30:30   here's what I did and I did it from the [TS]

00:30:32   beginning and this is another thing I [TS]

00:30:33   learned from my dad [TS]

00:30:34   I would walk into a library and I [TS]

00:30:37   whatever their system was I would ignore [TS]

00:30:40   it and I would go to the librarian and [TS]

00:30:43   say here's what I need and then I would [TS]

00:30:48   sit in the chair and read a magazine [TS]

00:30:49   with the library and found all the [TS]

00:30:50   things [TS]

00:30:52   oh no it was no I no carts for you it's [TS]

00:30:55   a certain kind of you have to have a [TS]

00:30:57   certain kind of of authority to walk in [TS]

00:31:03   as a child to the library and get the [TS]

00:31:06   librarian to do research like you're [TS]

00:31:09   like you're ordering a french dip or [TS]

00:31:11   something you're just like you'll need [TS]

00:31:12   these [TS]

00:31:13   Henry exactly every house go you assume [TS]

00:31:15   that they that that's what they want to [TS]

00:31:18   be doing and then they most of the time [TS]

00:31:21   they do so I would i spend a lot of time [TS]

00:31:23   at libraries waiting for people to bring [TS]

00:31:24   me the books that i passed for they seem [TS]

00:31:26   eager to please which I like [TS]

00:31:28   well I bread think about being a [TS]

00:31:30   librarian i mean i've i've loved a lot [TS]

00:31:31   of librarians and it's a job that I that [TS]

00:31:35   I i think i would be i would excel at [TS]

00:31:37   that girl that girl was a library and I [TS]

00:31:38   think we are you Barbara Gordon oh yeah [TS]

00:31:42   oh yeah that explains a lot of that [TS]

00:31:44   can't make you love a library I don't [TS]

00:31:46   know what will that girl [TS]

00:31:48   oh haha i did say you know it's good i [TS]

00:31:51   mean i think that's a big part of the [TS]

00:31:52   liberal arts is learning you've learned [TS]

00:31:54   how to use a library i think that's big [TS]

00:31:56   but again back to the ski bindings I [TS]

00:31:57   think that and I'll speak for myself I [TS]

00:31:59   don't like being the way I am but I look [TS]

00:32:01   down my nose now Dewey Decimal take my [TS]

00:32:03   daughter to our little library here and [TS]

00:32:06   yeah you know like what are most books [TS]

00:32:08   right in their novels there's a lot of [TS]

00:32:09   novels [TS]

00:32:10   well that's a no that's a whole section [TS]

00:32:12   that's called F really that fits the [TS]

00:32:14   decimal system like that you did not [TS]

00:32:15   occur to you when you put it together [TS]

00:32:17   there's a whole bunch of things called [TS]

00:32:18   novels you all shit we're gonna need [TS]

00:32:21   something for novels in our side decimal [TS]

00:32:23   system so let's create eff you eff it [TS]

00:32:27   doubles you know it's like that story [TS]

00:32:28   about the it's probably a urban myths [TS]

00:32:31   often look it up but that story about [TS]

00:32:32   the you know [TS]

00:32:33   engineering firm architects that we're [TS]

00:32:36   having the the grand opening [TS]

00:32:37   groundbreaking you know and I'm sorry [TS]

00:32:39   but the grand opening I guess for this [TS]

00:32:40   big beautiful glass glass library that [TS]

00:32:43   is finally complete and spices this is [TS]

00:32:45   amazing [TS]

00:32:46   I can't believe this is strong enough to [TS]

00:32:47   hold that many tons of books and the [TS]

00:32:49   guys I ran out of the building because [TS]

00:32:50   they never thought about having books in [TS]

00:32:51   there and it sounds like bullshit but [TS]

00:32:53   it's a great story [TS]

00:32:53   have you been to the Seattle the [TS]

00:32:55   downtown Seattle library the ugly one [TS]

00:32:57   thank you no no I'm sorry is it sits [TS]

00:33:00   brutalist is a brutalist architecture [TS]

00:33:01   what is it i thought was is it [TS]

00:33:03   yeah i think it's the white one kind of [TS]

00:33:05   weird white one it's not white it's it's [TS]

00:33:07   made out of glass it's a rim cool house [TS]

00:33:09   design and it's one of these it's one of [TS]

00:33:11   these public buildings that was built to [TS]

00:33:14   to give the city of seattle some [TS]

00:33:18   julienne its crown so that tourists from [TS]

00:33:20   around the world would come look at our [TS]

00:33:22   REM cool house building and on the [TS]

00:33:25   outside it looks like a piece of Road [TS]

00:33:28   tar made out of glass that you know that [TS]

00:33:31   has no no no two parallel lines and on [TS]

00:33:36   the inside people come in you you're [TS]

00:33:38   standing in the library and you have to [TS]

00:33:41   move out of the way of the crowds of [TS]

00:33:44   sheep Walker being heard through to look [TS]

00:33:48   at your glorious you know architectural [TS]

00:33:50   edifice hear that to me looks like a [TS]

00:33:54   spaceport in a a a minor planet in the [TS]

00:33:58   data bus system that has been neglected [TS]

00:34:00   for 800 years and it's you know it's [TS]

00:34:03   already the light bulbs are burning out [TS]

00:34:06   and the stair treads are getting worn it [TS]

00:34:09   already looks like shit but people have [TS]

00:34:10   been hurt through this thing like it's [TS]

00:34:12   some kind of thing they need to see [TS]

00:34:14   through their lives to be complete and I [TS]

00:34:17   stand in the in the lobby of it and I [TS]

00:34:20   and I do this on a weekly basis I go [TS]

00:34:22   there and I shake my fist and scream and [TS]

00:34:24   top of my voice and say it's a goddamn [TS]

00:34:26   library it does it should that where are [TS]

00:34:29   the books you can't even see the books [TS]

00:34:31   there are no books it's a it's a they [TS]

00:34:35   tried to make it some this is from 2004 [TS]

00:34:38   wells library Cass [TS]

00:34:41   ya know it's a picture it's brand-new [TS]

00:34:43   and here's the track is off [TS]

00:34:45   Paul it's terrible here's the tragedy [TS]

00:34:48   the original library that was on that [TS]

00:34:50   step that ground huh was a carnegie [TS]

00:34:54   library that was built it looks like oh [TS]

00:34:57   my gosh chicago-style kinda it's [TS]

00:34:59   gorgeous chicago-style like [TS]

00:35:01   federal-style it's beautiful it looks [TS]

00:35:03   like the San Francisco mint building [TS]

00:35:05   right it's a giant arches it's double [TS]

00:35:08   columns it's beautiful [TS]

00:35:10   can you imagine reading a book in that [TS]

00:35:12   building I'd read books that building [TS]

00:35:14   like that is nice [TS]

00:35:15   can't imagine it because they toured the [TS]

00:35:17   freaking thing down before i was born in [TS]

00:35:21   order to build the second incarnation of [TS]

00:35:23   the Seattle library which looks like [TS]

00:35:26   which looked like a regional post office [TS]

00:35:29   it was built in that you know the [TS]

00:35:31   original internationalist style which is [TS]

00:35:34   an architectural style developed to [TS]

00:35:36   compete with the Soviet Union in who can [TS]

00:35:40   make the ugliest building in the world [TS]

00:35:42   huh [TS]

00:35:43   and it was a building that I swear to [TS]

00:35:45   you you wouldn't even be with drive past [TS]

00:35:47   at 60 times thinking I keep grabbing [TS]

00:35:50   past this department of motor vehicles [TS]

00:35:52   where is the library and that library [TS]

00:35:55   was there my whole childhood and then [TS]

00:35:59   they finally tore it down [TS]

00:36:01   that was the library where you would get [TS]

00:36:02   on an escalator and you'd be on the [TS]

00:36:04   escalator and pretty soon you'll be on [TS]

00:36:06   another escalator and pretty soon you'd [TS]

00:36:07   be and you never saw a book once he was [TS]

00:36:09   just you were going up escalators and [TS]

00:36:11   down escalators so they built this room [TS]

00:36:13   cool house building and it's one of [TS]

00:36:15   these buildings in seattle if you say a [TS]

00:36:16   bad word about this library seventy-five [TS]

00:36:20   percent of the people in the town [TS]

00:36:22   well will react as if you told them that [TS]

00:36:25   their kid was ugly they get this look on [TS]

00:36:28   his face like what no afraid Billy [TS]

00:36:30   mommy's gonna send them into the corn [TS]

00:36:32   oh that's a he's the genius it's a [TS]

00:36:35   beautiful you know i just got to see the [TS]

00:36:37   first fucking meeting I had with that [TS]

00:36:38   guy i would see those eyeglasses and i [TS]

00:36:40   would say thank you for your time [TS]

00:36:41   you know I your man appreciates my [TS]

00:36:43   glasses you can tell a lot about a [TS]

00:36:45   person somebody walks in with glasses [TS]

00:36:46   like that i would say no thanks and then [TS]

00:36:48   what do you get out of it you got it [TS]

00:36:49   looks like somebody's first was first [TS]

00:36:51   semester and graphical arts class and [TS]

00:36:52   they took something their first [TS]

00:36:54   orthogonal drawing and made it out of [TS]

00:36:55   chain-link fence it's an abortion of a [TS]

00:36:58   building that [TS]

00:36:58   ridiculous somewhere along the line here [TS]

00:37:01   we have decided that if an architect if [TS]

00:37:04   an architect doodles on a napkin that [TS]

00:37:08   that is sufficient for him to be [TS]

00:37:10   that's all the architect himself needs [TS]

00:37:12   to do noodles on a napkin and then we're [TS]

00:37:15   and then his team of young hungry [TS]

00:37:18   assholes goes and converts that into [TS]

00:37:22   some some kind of broken Rubik's Cube [TS]

00:37:26   and then we spend 200 million dollars to [TS]

00:37:29   put it in the center of our town [TS]

00:37:32   I swear to you Merlin if you go to the [TS]

00:37:34   Seattle library in pursuit of a book the [TS]

00:37:38   the Sisyphean journey that you will go [TS]

00:37:42   on to find the book you have to go [TS]

00:37:45   through six or seven different its kind [TS]

00:37:47   of different followers [TS]

00:37:48   well yeah the books are the books are [TS]

00:37:50   six stories up in a catacomb that you [TS]

00:37:57   have that you can only access by [TS]

00:37:58   elevator i'll come on [TS]

00:38:00   yeah and then the rest of the library [TS]

00:38:02   itself is like I say it's a spaceport [TS]

00:38:05   you just keep waiting [TS]

00:38:07   you keep waiting for the next barge the [TS]

00:38:10   next transporter barge to you know CEOs [TS]

00:38:14   to arrive and take all these people all [TS]

00:38:17   these like you know the lobby full of [TS]

00:38:20   tourists and homeless people [TS]

00:38:22   masturbating and that they all just get [TS]

00:38:25   hurt it onto the barge and off they go [TS]

00:38:27   and ruin fills up again [TS]

00:38:31   yeah I you know I you know more about [TS]

00:38:35   all this stuff than I do i I don't I [TS]

00:38:36   don't have a comfortable commenting [TS]

00:38:38   accepted this is just really early awful [TS]

00:38:40   i think empirically awful i just sent [TS]

00:38:42   you a link to something I was at [TS]

00:38:44   University of wisconsin-madison and they [TS]

00:38:47   have a building there that I think [TS]

00:38:48   you'll really enjoy [TS]

00:38:49   it's called the it's called the moss [TS]

00:38:51   humanities building and it's considered [TS]

00:38:54   to be a is for better for such a great [TS]

00:38:57   example of what they called brutalist [TS]

00:38:59   architecture and boy is it ever brutal [TS]

00:39:01   it's it first of all [TS]

00:39:04   apparently it was designed and built a [TS]

00:39:07   time when they're very worried about [TS]

00:39:08   student riots so i'll show you as I'll [TS]

00:39:10   show you in this photo you getting these [TS]

00:39:12   in [TS]

00:39:12   little robot logo links yeah I had [TS]

00:39:15   something beautiful yes everybody's [TS]

00:39:18   throat by today they built originally [TS]

00:39:21   had like a ramp that Evel Knievel would [TS]

00:39:23   use to jump something and then fall [TS]

00:39:25   imagine that is kind of like around the [TS]

00:39:27   building so make sure it's a bunker [TS]

00:39:30   it's a kind of Bunker exactly like but [TS]

00:39:32   you can see even in the picture i just [TS]

00:39:33   sent you can see the mildew [TS]

00:39:34   apparently this place was so poorly [TS]

00:39:36   designed they put the music department [TS]

00:39:37   in the basement and so the cellos are [TS]

00:39:40   wilting think it's just pure like it's [TS]

00:39:42   like that sick building syndrome all [TS]

00:39:44   over the place like all this crap don't [TS]

00:39:45   know none of the dorms at my college [TS]

00:39:47   were built by idesign my IM Pei and who [TS]

00:39:50   is another one of these yo-yos so I mean [TS]

00:39:52   like we had to buy the if you want to [TS]

00:39:53   replace the door and had to come from [TS]

00:39:55   Germany you know some people here like [TS]

00:39:57   the doors gonna change some toilet paper [TS]

00:39:59   that six thousand dollars you know that [TS]

00:40:01   they don't think this stuff through and [TS]

00:40:03   it's heinous it's like willfully heinous [TS]

00:40:04   you know it's like it's like you know [TS]

00:40:07   the Duchamp journal thing except not [TS]

00:40:09   people get to play cello in that that [TS]

00:40:11   the universities all around the world [TS]

00:40:13   were on America built this kind of [TS]

00:40:15   architecture during that era university [TS]

00:40:17   of washington the main square the [TS]

00:40:19   University of Washington is literally [TS]

00:40:22   designed so that you can turn a fire [TS]

00:40:25   hose on a kid at one end of the square [TS]

00:40:29   and hose him all the way across the [TS]

00:40:31   square and off the university like it is [TS]

00:40:35   designed to be able to fire hose project [TS]

00:40:38   designed by terry gilliam basically a [TS]

00:40:41   Bigfoot comes down they were building [TS]

00:40:43   all these university campuses after [TS]

00:40:45   basically they were forced to let blacks [TS]

00:40:47   into the university's right this is they [TS]

00:40:50   integrated the schools they were warrant [TS]

00:40:52   and then they were like oh shit [TS]

00:40:54   now there are blacks in the universities [TS]

00:40:56   and what are they going to do they're [TS]

00:40:57   going to start protesting we need to we [TS]

00:40:59   need to open these room open this area [TS]

00:41:01   up so we can really get a good shot with [TS]

00:41:05   our fire hoses they hate fire hoses [TS]

00:41:07   well that's true i mean basically all [TS]

00:41:10   ethnic people hate fire hoses I think [TS]

00:41:12   they think the black really don't like [TS]

00:41:13   fire resistance from the time but they [TS]

00:41:15   got a good reasons to not like the [TS]

00:41:17   services I there are some there are some [TS]

00:41:20   iconic pictures that would give us write [TS]

00:41:22   a good reason whatsoever the red cool [TS]

00:41:25   house of the firehose design was [TS]

00:41:27   probably had that he probably called an [TS]

00:41:28   idea board if I cut some things out of [TS]

00:41:30   magazines you cut up some ribbons and [TS]

00:41:31   shit cut like a Marmaduke put it up [TS]

00:41:36   I find this very compelling argument for [TS]

00:41:38   the functionality of the space [TS]

00:41:40   shut up classes makes me so angry I [TS]

00:41:44   don't you see how ugly that building is [TS]

00:41:45   that it's terrible and i guarantee that [TS]

00:41:47   they tore down a beautiful you know [TS]

00:41:51   Gothic Revival lot of the library [TS]

00:41:55   building or student center or something [TS]

00:41:56   they tore it down thinking that it was [TS]

00:41:58   obsolete and may and write that a tad [TS]

00:42:02   bit every University ever went to I was [TS]

00:42:05   always in I was always in some wing of [TS]

00:42:07   the humanities where you know there are [TS]

00:42:09   there are the practical sciences and [TS]

00:42:11   then there are the humanities which are [TS]

00:42:13   impractical and then as you move further [TS]

00:42:15   clouds on the the fruity arts approve [TS]

00:42:18   yards as you move further out in the [TS]

00:42:19   humanities it gets less and less and [TS]

00:42:21   less practical you go past the poetry [TS]

00:42:24   department which is which one would [TS]

00:42:26   think is the is the height or the apex [TS]

00:42:30   or the the furthest out on the wing of [TS]

00:42:31   the impracticality but no you can go [TS]

00:42:34   further and that's where i lived at the [TS]

00:42:37   University way out there and invariably [TS]

00:42:40   the classrooms that they would assign us [TS]

00:42:44   for our comparative history of ideas [TS]

00:42:47   lecture halls were always in the science [TS]

00:42:52   buildings that were slated for [TS]

00:42:54   demolition because the English [TS]

00:42:58   department has all the rooms at the [TS]

00:43:00   school with the leaded glass windows and [TS]

00:43:02   the and the book is your finger speakers [TS]

00:43:04   crashing and the smell of formaldehyde [TS]

00:43:06   you're trying to you're trying to think [TS]

00:43:07   about Alexander Pope Oh way worse than [TS]

00:43:10   that I mean you're out there where the [TS]

00:43:12   wires are hanging from the ceiling and [TS]

00:43:15   that there are Bunsen burners that have [TS]

00:43:17   been left on because if they turn them [TS]

00:43:20   off the gas will weaken the building [TS]

00:43:22   will explode so we have the fire [TS]

00:43:24   department [TS]

00:43:25   it's like it's like a really dangerous [TS]

00:43:26   italian restaurant and these are the [TS]

00:43:28   rooms allocate for the you know for the [TS]

00:43:32   comparative history of ideas because the [TS]

00:43:34   because those buildings were built for [TS]

00:43:37   two years ago at the data that goes with [TS]

00:43:39   the height of technology at the time now [TS]

00:43:42   they've fallen apart the science [TS]

00:43:44   departments are having new buildings [TS]

00:43:46   built for them and say what is it just [TS]

00:43:49   me or are the science people always [TS]

00:43:51   getting a new building they get new [TS]

00:43:52   buildings science people get new [TS]

00:43:55   buildings of my sculptures for that [TS]

00:43:57   building before the throw a bone to the [TS]

00:43:58   literature people if you went to [TS]

00:44:00   Stanford right now and declared an [TS]

00:44:02   English major [TS]

00:44:03   I bet you they would just chain you to a [TS]

00:44:06   bike rack [TS]

00:44:07   no yeah we have 11 quanta type and where [TS]

00:44:12   this little one of those little desks [TS]

00:44:13   not even a full desk it's like each [TS]

00:44:15   government put your left arm on it [TS]

00:44:16   yeah and everyone has to share it one [TS]

00:44:18   death while while there while they're [TS]

00:44:20   busy busy [TS]

00:44:21   scraping the land in order to build a [TS]

00:44:23   new I don't know applied sciences [TS]

00:44:25   building right and that's that [TS]

00:44:27   universities are just they don't care [TS]

00:44:30   about books show up ago we won't need a [TS]

00:44:32   new hydrogen collider and you go sounds [TS]

00:44:34   great and somebody goes it was a [TS]

00:44:35   hydrogen collide and like don't be a [TS]

00:44:37   dick its cycles it's not you know what [TS]

00:44:39   to me this is the Dewey Decimal people [TS]

00:44:41   this is the REM koolhaas people we've [TS]

00:44:42   seen this again and again John and it's [TS]

00:44:44   the way people think I think I mentioned [TS]

00:44:45   this to you that mas building is the [TS]

00:44:47   humanities building cellos cold wet [TS]

00:44:49   cellos nobody likes a wet cello look [TS]

00:44:51   good you going to put the thought that [TS]

00:44:53   through you get some guy here is sitting [TS]

00:44:55   around doing whatever whatever organic [TS]

00:44:56   chemistry is like that couldn't be in a [TS]

00:44:58   wet building [TS]

00:44:59   let's see this is the this is the thumb [TS]

00:45:01   literally in the eye of the liberal arts [TS]

00:45:03   this is what we're dealing with [TS]

00:45:05   and I think this is why the the Congress [TS]

00:45:08   people are always going to be the duties [TS]

00:45:10   the congressman in that library of [TS]

00:45:13   congress occurs [TS]

00:45:14   that's the look terrible on a jacket [TS]

00:45:16   believe what looks like the consulate [TS]

00:45:19   cons locks the locks honors honors locks [TS]

00:45:22   of the locks always great like the [TS]

00:45:24   Socialists in what is which one is that [TS]

00:45:27   as something that has Sen hmm well in my [TS]

00:45:31   high school the lotions could call the [TS]

00:45:33   lotion some lotion the lotions versus [TS]

00:45:36   the duties [TS]

00:45:38   so I think it Dewey ram cool house to me [TS]

00:45:39   like he acts like he's a lush but I [TS]

00:45:42   think he's totally a dewy I think he [TS]

00:45:44   comes into guys wrap black dot block he [TS]

00:45:47   comes in this picture is just making me [TS]

00:45:48   angrier and angrier i will post this is [TS]

00:45:49   shown it's it's him bending over [TS]

00:45:52   he was some kind of fucking german Steve [TS]

00:45:53   Jobs these goofy glasses and he's [TS]

00:45:55   looking at this little model I even hate [TS]

00:45:57   looking at the model of the Seattle [TS]

00:45:59   library its it without daily basis in [TS]

00:46:01   with the kids Loescher doing [TS]

00:46:03   mm he's very sensitive and that makes [TS]

00:46:08   the mud do we probably a dewy mm I think [TS]

00:46:11   if you've been doing the kind of the [TS]

00:46:14   children moisture that people like you [TS]

00:46:15   and I have you noticed a Richard Hugo [TS]

00:46:17   big Loesch super-low see him do it a lot [TS]

00:46:20   of cello moisture [TS]

00:46:21   40-44 here where there's the problem [TS]

00:46:27   with losses though who don't know how to [TS]

00:46:29   stand up for ourselves you know there [TS]

00:46:32   was decided that that campus and i'm [TS]

00:46:35   sure some Tweety some tweety tweety [TS]

00:46:39   fucking te guy came in some twenty do he [TS]

00:46:42   came in and said well I'm actually I i [TS]

00:46:45   think we would like some windows in the [TS]

00:46:47   music department and they're like sounds [TS]

00:46:50   name all you're saying is he was too [TS]

00:46:53   little too moist of a lush they're all [TS]

00:46:55   too moist he didn't do we up to do is [TS]

00:46:58   it's just like the Republicans right [TS]

00:46:59   this is the conservative not to go [TS]

00:47:00   political but the thing is does those [TS]

00:47:02   guys stick together right [TS]

00:47:05   well there was a time here not to go [TS]

00:47:07   back to my dad again I'm always talking [TS]

00:47:08   about my but you cannot talk too much [TS]

00:47:10   about your dad as far as I'm concerned [TS]

00:47:11   but my dad was a was part of an era [TS]

00:47:14   where where he was a vigorous liberal [TS]

00:47:18   democrat you know what I mean he was a [TS]

00:47:20   Democrat and a liberal and heat and he [TS]

00:47:24   defended those principles with a kind of [TS]

00:47:27   with a kind of vigor that is utterly [TS]

00:47:31   absent from that wing of the political [TS]

00:47:33   spectrum now you know my dad would get [TS]

00:47:35   into fights in bars on the waterfront [TS]

00:47:38   over liberal politics you know [TS]

00:47:43   liberalism was was a thing that was that [TS]

00:47:46   that that it was muscular is very [TS]

00:47:48   muscular Union see [TS]

00:47:50   you had rankings you have you had you [TS]

00:47:52   had the sort of people who but who if if [TS]

00:47:55   they didn't believe in communism exactly [TS]

00:47:58   they did believe that social justice was [TS]

00:48:01   sweeping the world and it was an active [TS]

00:48:04   and and muscular political philosophy [TS]

00:48:07   and that now is completely gone her or [TS]

00:48:09   anyone who has anyone who has a modicum [TS]

00:48:13   of liberal thought in their mind has [TS]

00:48:15   been so so a cultured to thinking that [TS]

00:48:19   they need to apologize for themselves [TS]

00:48:21   for existing first and foremost you know [TS]

00:48:24   I'm sorry pardon me I i know that this [TS]

00:48:27   is just my opinion but here [TS]

00:48:30   here are some ideas that i that i had [TS]

00:48:32   and i am sorry if they offend you [TS]

00:48:34   this this kind of like constant [TS]

00:48:36   reflexive apology [TS]

00:48:39   it is so panty wasted was very [TS]

00:48:43   undignified it's undignified and end it [TS]

00:48:45   and it presumes that your ideas aren't [TS]

00:48:47   strong it presumes that you're that [TS]

00:48:50   you're that you're the tenants of your [TS]

00:48:51   philosophy are worth our were standing [TS]

00:48:54   and and and actually you know putting [TS]

00:48:57   your hand up about but yeah you get to [TS]

00:48:59   be like a creepy kid in junior high is [TS]

00:49:01   always getting his ass kicked and so [TS]

00:49:02   then he becomes very you know receding [TS]

00:49:04   around people but he's fine [TS]

00:49:06   you know like fucking a cat and killing [TS]

00:49:08   it becomes things right so I all the [TS]

00:49:11   muscularity his personality goes into [TS]

00:49:13   cat fucking and cat homicide think I [TS]

00:49:15   think that's a capital cat offense that [TS]

00:49:17   leads to harder crimes heart you can get [TS]

00:49:19   a seeking a super-hard crimes out of a [TS]

00:49:21   cat i think that's that's where it [TS]

00:49:23   starts that you start to look for the [TS]

00:49:24   people who are killing the cats you're [TS]

00:49:25   going to find a seriously failed Loesch [TS]

00:49:27   you know where you find those fortune [TS]

00:49:29   all sure they make a picture of it [TS]

00:49:32   yeah I I i actually agree with you and [TS]

00:49:35   if I as I don't you know I'm not a [TS]

00:49:37   physician but I think right now have you [TS]

00:49:40   considered the fact that you are so ill [TS]

00:49:42   right now that you get 60 hard could be [TS]

00:49:45   somewhat related to to tell the boys [TS]

00:49:47   jure maybe you've been in too many maybe [TS]

00:49:49   you got sick building syndrome [TS]

00:49:50   you got the same problem is the people [TS]

00:49:52   in the random awesome massey humanity [TS]

00:49:54   oh my god is writing the name moss sea [TS]

00:49:56   moss but it's spelled with an e on its [TS]

00:49:58   it says it right on there could you [TS]

00:49:59   fucking only a do [TS]

00:50:01   would name a humanities building massey [TS]

00:50:03   oh it's literally a thumb in the eye of [TS]

00:50:06   the liberal on Paul Massey it's so wet [TS]

00:50:10   that has a moss [TS]

00:50:11   so you're saying i have some kind of [TS]

00:50:12   congenital black mold syndrome from [TS]

00:50:15   spending all those years in the basement [TS]

00:50:17   of humanity's buildings i'm saying you [TS]

00:50:21   start out and think of it as a [TS]

00:50:22   concentric circle at the mill you got [TS]

00:50:24   all the duties you agree that [TS]

00:50:25   everything's okey-dokey and let's talk [TS]

00:50:26   about chemistry whatever that means you [TS]

00:50:28   start moving on concentric circles you [TS]

00:50:30   go further and further way right get [TS]

00:50:32   somebody teaching Conrad and that people [TS]

00:50:33   put up with that you go a little further [TS]

00:50:35   you got the people intelligent bad word [TS]

00:50:37   said about Conrad see that everybody [TS]

00:50:39   agrees with that but you go a little bit [TS]

00:50:40   further out i think you get to the [TS]

00:50:42   poetry department where everything is [TS]

00:50:43   made out of feathers and memories of [TS]

00:50:44   chicken soup and let you go a little bit [TS]

00:50:46   further out and hearing the comparative [TS]

00:50:48   idea section [TS]

00:50:49   yeah everything's wet you're chained to [TS]

00:50:51   a bike rack is not a fucking ram cool [TS]

00:50:53   house and seitan mm you know I'm saying [TS]

00:50:56   you're looking across the campus at the [TS]

00:50:57   glittering towers of the the new physics [TS]

00:51:00   building right and you've got then [TS]

00:51:03   you've got constant junk divide us to [TS]

00:51:06   bring the assumptions like Brigadoon and [TS]

00:51:08   you keep all your box right next to you [TS]

00:51:10   because you don't want to have to go up [TS]

00:51:12   six stories fucking REM koolhaas put in [TS]

00:51:14   an elevator [TS]

00:51:15   thanks for a cool house with a gram he [TS]

00:51:17   touch [TS]

00:51:18   absolutely okay and what do they speak [TS]

00:51:20   is it looked and finally speak Dutch [TS]

00:51:22   no they don't speak Dutch and [TS]

00:51:24   Liechtenstein which was that was at [TS]

00:51:25   Luxembourg but well you know in [TS]

00:51:28   Luxembourg there's just a tiny tiny tiny [TS]

00:51:30   little bit of dutch ish German you know [TS]

00:51:35   that there's a there's a there's a [TS]

00:51:36   there's a there's such a thing is there [TS]

00:51:38   such a thing John really as duchess [TS]

00:51:39   German there is there's a continuum from [TS]

00:51:42   German to duck swear that if you're in [TS]

00:51:46   let's say you're in Venters bike in the [TS]

00:51:49   Netherlands you're not even trying at [TS]

00:51:51   this point and you're speaking Dutch [TS]

00:51:53   with such a German accent in inventors [TS]

00:51:58   bike that you more intelligible to the [TS]

00:52:00   Germans across the border than you are [TS]

00:52:03   to the to the Dutch say in 10 hog [TS]

00:52:09   the language is very it's a bit its I'm [TS]

00:52:12   gonna find him I'm gonna find a place [TS]

00:52:14   that sells maps and I'm gonna buy one [TS]

00:52:16   and I'm gonna I'm gonna listen to this [TS]

00:52:18   mhm and all yes I think you're thinking [TS]

00:52:20   of the valley near farfegnugen know how [TS]

00:52:22   i look at this time let's design design [TS]

00:52:26   61.7 a square miles luxembourg a bulky [TS]

00:52:29   998 square miles Luxembourg's got farms [TS]

00:52:34   I mean Luxembourg's a proper country [TS]

00:52:36   more than one it's a dookie let's be [TS]

00:52:38   honest right it's a teaching but but say [TS]

00:52:42   it back in the old days right yet a [TS]

00:52:44   bishop had a bishop in monster which is [TS]

00:52:48   in Germany but that Bishop was [TS]

00:52:50   responsible for for ministering to his [TS]

00:52:54   flock throughout all of what they called [TS]

00:52:56   moon stir lond which is this area that [TS]

00:53:00   encompass Germany but also part of the [TS]

00:53:02   netherlands and part of luxembourg [TS]

00:53:05   little bit of what's now belgium so this [TS]

00:53:09   Bishop was the head ecclesiastical [TS]

00:53:13   Authority but also sort of the because [TS]

00:53:16   the Big Cheese government she's doing do [TS]

00:53:18   your lush the bishop and while there [TS]

00:53:21   were several bishops of monster but you [TS]

00:53:24   could be either one [TS]

00:53:25   it was my camera mmm i'm gonna say that [TS]

00:53:28   they were all i'm going to say they were [TS]

00:53:32   well [TS]

00:53:33   oh yeah i think you could be either huh [TS]

00:53:35   IC yeah i see a political I see a [TS]

00:53:38   political religious person is frequently [TS]

00:53:40   being a dewy well sure but some of them [TS]

00:53:43   some of them were were total OSHA's I [TS]

00:53:46   mean you know you get you yet you had to [TS]

00:53:49   be a bean counter [TS]

00:53:50   mmm minutes it's like it's like the [TS]

00:53:52   Pope's write some of the popes were poor [TS]

00:53:54   total lotions the board Gia's or [TS]

00:53:56   whatever they were they were it was date [TS]

00:53:58   raped from head to toe and then I [TS]

00:54:01   appreciate the Borgias where the people [TS]

00:54:02   and analyse and now i'm pretty sure make [TS]

00:54:04   it up I think you're talking about the [TS]

00:54:05   people in the in Florence isn't the [TS]

00:54:07   Borgias you don't think there were bored [TS]

00:54:09   you Pope's who's the guy to play piano [TS]

00:54:11   that's Victor Victor uh structure port [TS]

00:54:14   or and has nothing he has nothing to do [TS]

00:54:17   with senor wences is that right [TS]

00:54:18   I don't think he does know that's a [TS]

00:54:21   difference [TS]

00:54:22   seemed like they should have worked [TS]

00:54:23   together at some point I think they were [TS]

00:54:25   both on the Dean Martin program if it's [TS]

00:54:27   Sullivan they're both mine and sultan [TS]

00:54:29   episode 15 plus they're both amusing in [TS]

00:54:32   a way that made a lot more sense to our [TS]

00:54:34   grandparents i love senor wences still [TS]

00:54:36   picture board he was a great piano [TS]

00:54:38   player he was a comedian that was that [TS]

00:54:40   was very amusing very amusing you you [TS]

00:54:42   could you be very easy a funny guy and [TS]

00:54:44   then you say oh look at piano and you [TS]

00:54:46   sit down and you dazzle your guests no [TS]

00:54:48   coward noel coward right Steve and I owe [TS]

00:54:54   you [TS]

00:54:55   yok and maybe you know quarter before [TS]

00:54:57   the horse fell on him Cole Porter's [TS]

00:55:00   yours no more than 180 I like that man [TS]

00:55:04   horse right now he said he was stuck [TS]

00:55:07   under a horse he wrote a song with a [TS]

00:55:09   horse on it [TS]

00:55:09   did you know that no I didn't know that [TS]

00:55:11   but I didn't know that his house in in [TS]

00:55:14   connecticut was for sale [TS]

00:55:15   Cole Porter's house you could buy it huh [TS]

00:55:19   it's like a regular house is like a cool [TS]

00:55:20   house no it's a cool very cool house but [TS]

00:55:23   now i'm sorry the house right that [TS]

00:55:25   generally cool house [TS]

00:55:27   yeah you know there's just so much see [TS]

00:55:29   this is this is what george orwell [TS]

00:55:30   talked about in that essay i'm just [TS]

00:55:32   saying cool house he put school in his [TS]

00:55:34   name and house in his name and now you [TS]

00:55:36   can't help but thinking of him when you [TS]

00:55:37   see an actual cool house was bullshit [TS]

00:55:39   you can I just say it's funny enough to [TS]

00:55:41   me that the people who are so obsessed [TS]

00:55:42   with these three digit numbers are the [TS]

00:55:44   duties when it's our cellos that truly [TS]

00:55:46   have the dew on them aren't playing [TS]

00:55:48   cello III III think I i I'm not sure I [TS]

00:55:51   could I couldn't Pepsi challenge even a [TS]

00:55:53   violin or viola you know but I'm just [TS]

00:55:56   saying this is partly ok this is this is [TS]

00:55:59   what the lake I talks about right this [TS]

00:56:00   is this is it all gets very confusing [TS]

00:56:02   because those guys stick together we're [TS]

00:56:04   confused in moist right this is what [TS]

00:56:06   happened to Gore because of Florida you [TS]

00:56:09   know we don't stick to our guns and I [TS]

00:56:11   just think it's a shame to have to walk [TS]

00:56:12   so far to think about ideas that's not [TS]

00:56:13   right [TS]

00:56:14   you're paying tuition like anybody else [TS]

00:56:15   right well but this this goes back to [TS]

00:56:19   all the complaining all the liberal [TS]

00:56:21   complaining which is that at the at the [TS]

00:56:23   at the core of it if you have you [TS]

00:56:25   support capitalism if you believe that [TS]

00:56:27   capitalism is the highest form of of [TS]

00:56:31   economic evolution [TS]

00:56:33   you believe the capitalism is ultimately [TS]

00:56:34   value neutral or good even even better [TS]

00:56:38   than value-neutral good if you believe [TS]

00:56:40   capitalism trends toward good then all [TS]

00:56:44   this stuff just follows from it you [TS]

00:56:46   can't you can't argue against the [TS]

00:56:48   comparative history of ideas being put [TS]

00:56:51   into a wet mop bucket at the bottom of a [TS]

00:56:54   well without without ultimately having [TS]

00:56:58   to say what have the comparative history [TS]

00:57:00   of ideas graduates ever produced in [TS]

00:57:03   terms of money that would enable us to [TS]

00:57:05   keep the lights on at this university [TS]

00:57:07   and the answer is nothing and so here's [TS]

00:57:10   your wet mop bucket [TS]

00:57:11   mhm have a peanut butter and jelly [TS]

00:57:13   sandwich and trying to get over your [TS]

00:57:14   cold if you if you believe in capitalism [TS]

00:57:19   and you believe that all things are [TS]

00:57:20   being gradually sucked into the to the [TS]

00:57:24   orbit of the black hole of capital [TS]

00:57:26   capitalist thought then you have to have [TS]

00:57:29   you have to prove have to prove with [TS]

00:57:31   some kind of bottom line what did this [TS]

00:57:34   urn us what it does make for us [TS]

00:57:36   what did this create any wealth for [TS]

00:57:38   metrics metrics and you cannot and and [TS]

00:57:41   that's the problem with us pantywaists [TS]

00:57:43   we stand and say but what about the [TS]

00:57:45   wealth of ideas and there's somebody [TS]

00:57:47   special in that voice there's someone [TS]

00:57:50   with the best classic classic lotion [TS]

00:57:52   voice yeah what about the wealth of [TS]

00:57:55   ideas and the guy with the aluminum [TS]

00:57:57   baseball bat who started a company to [TS]

00:58:00   manufacture aluminum baseball bats wax [TS]

00:58:04   you on the back of the head your back in [TS]

00:58:06   the mop bucket and life goes merrily [TS]

00:58:08   along with something something in the [TS]

00:58:10   center of campus is very fine with the [TS]

00:58:12   Erlenmeyer flask which literally have [TS]

00:58:14   numbers right on them they can count [TS]

00:58:16   they know how much is in this titration [TS]

00:58:18   whatever the fuck that means you come to [TS]

00:58:20   us we're sitting with a big free ebook [TS]

00:58:21   you go on 30 pages and they say what [TS]

00:58:23   does that literally even mean right does [TS]

00:58:25   it literally what does it literally mean [TS]

00:58:27   you know and they want to look at thirty [TS]

00:58:28   percent of pie graph and you know i'm [TS]

00:58:30   looking at this book it's a pretty big [TS]

00:58:31   book and they say they say that well [TS]

00:58:33   what is the value that please get back [TS]

00:58:34   in your mop bucket getting your mop [TS]

00:58:36   bucket boy that i have this experience [TS]

00:58:38   every time I go to a professional sports [TS]

00:58:40   game witches instead it's a wednesday [TS]

00:58:43   afternoon [TS]

00:58:44   I'm sitting them in the Mariners stadium [TS]

00:58:46   watching a baseball game and I look [TS]

00:58:48   around and if the team is doing well if [TS]

00:58:51   the team's even doing it passably well I [TS]

00:58:54   mean the Mariners never really do well [TS]

00:58:55   but if they're doing passably well I [TS]

00:58:58   look around it's three o'clock in the [TS]

00:58:59   afternoon on Wednesday and there's [TS]

00:59:01   40,000 people in the stadium and I think [TS]

00:59:04   what was the last time there was a rock [TS]

00:59:07   concert in this town that had 40,000 [TS]

00:59:10   people at it in the middle of the day in [TS]

00:59:13   the middle of the day on a wednesday and [TS]

00:59:15   the answer is well Kenny Chesney is the [TS]

00:59:19   last time that that happened and then I [TS]

00:59:22   ask it again [TS]

00:59:23   Kenny Chesney not a rock artist was the [TS]

00:59:25   last rock concert that had 40,000 people [TS]

00:59:27   in the middle of Seattle and in all [TS]

00:59:29   honesty i think the last time that [TS]

00:59:31   happened was well maybe you too but [TS]

00:59:34   before that it was the rolling stones of [TS]

00:59:36   the kingdom in 1975 I was gonna say [TS]

00:59:38   pearl jam i can see Pearl Jam or seven [TS]

00:59:40   minutes sound is the Pearl Jam drawing a [TS]

00:59:42   bunch of people in the middle of the day [TS]

00:59:44   at the height of their powers perhaps [TS]

00:59:46   business program station on satellite [TS]

00:59:48   radio [TS]

00:59:49   did you know that i'm sure there is a [TS]

00:59:51   priest ringing I'll bring Bruce [TS]

00:59:53   Springsteen Elvis Grateful Dead Pearl [TS]

00:59:55   Jam has their own station on a satellite [TS]

00:59:57   think the program's put out 10 10 [TS]

00:59:57   think the program's put out 10 10 [TS]

01:00:00   albums or something I mean you could you [TS]

01:00:02   could play you can have a pearl jam [TS]

01:00:03   radio station that never played the same [TS]

01:00:05   song to thank you think they're out in [TS]

01:00:06   1000 was at their second album the [TS]

01:00:10   second i was ten worst album the first [TS]

01:00:12   up was 10 [TS]

01:00:13   yeah let me down hits the bull bear bear [TS]

01:00:20   breathe i don't know i don't like saying [TS]

01:00:22   that but just sometimes we'll just be [TS]

01:00:23   driving around go [TS]

01:00:24   I mean yo son I don't not happy doing [TS]

01:00:27   that but it just comes out i think they [TS]

01:00:28   could probably do it [TS]

01:00:29   the other question Jon I know you don't [TS]

01:00:30   have a job you I mean you have a job of [TS]

01:00:32   a kind that you're an extremely busy [TS]

01:00:33   rock artist [TS]

01:00:34   what do you think most people do for a [TS]

01:00:36   living do you think they're playing [TS]

01:00:37   hooky from something else to come and [TS]

01:00:38   watch sports other sports people because [TS]

01:00:41   many costs money to go to the the King [TS]

01:00:43   down the mirror dome [TS]

01:00:45   I know but they're all down there all [TS]

01:00:46   down at those offices and their boss [TS]

01:00:49   also wants to go to the game [TS]

01:00:51   it's like they're to go to a mariners [TS]

01:00:53   game in the afternoon is not to be [TS]

01:00:56   skipping work it is to be it is to say i [TS]

01:01:00   am and i am someone who i am a [TS]

01:01:04   Renaissance man [TS]

01:01:05   kaalia kaalia de yeah not only my work [TS]

01:01:10   but I'm also us i'm also going to the [TS]

01:01:12   sports i am like a Greek god I i do the [TS]

01:01:16   work and I do the sports and then I do [TS]

01:01:18   that I go to the movies and I have all [TS]

01:01:21   of the I have everything I need I am all [TS]

01:01:24   the culture that I need I have a wife [TS]

01:01:28   we eat food we are complete [TS]

01:01:32   mhm and it's it's it's we who are not at [TS]

01:01:35   the sports game [TS]

01:01:36   who are the the faulty ones we are the [TS]

01:01:39   broken ones who are not living according [TS]

01:01:41   to a platonic ideal because we shun the [TS]

01:01:44   sports and we shun the well in my case [TS]

01:01:49   the wife [TS]

01:01:50   mhm mhm and we shun the work and so what [TS]

01:01:54   are we but a but a a sick sick sick and [TS]

01:02:01   under hail one hearty denizen of mop [TS]

01:02:06   buckets [TS]

01:02:08   [Music] [TS]