0:00:00hello hello how are you
0:00:08well how are you against timely oh no
0:00:12it's uh it's ok I was early
0:00:14mm um do you remember that time we went
0:00:20out and got a stake when I was in
0:00:22seattle when you're pretty nice not
0:00:23nothing really really nice place but
0:00:25they so we sat outside and we have a
0:00:26steak remember that we got to guess what
0:00:29about our friends
0:00:30yeah I mean we have gotten a lot of
0:00:32steaks
0:00:34maybe we should cover that but yeah I do
0:00:37remember this one particular time
0:00:39that's a circle back don't talk more
0:00:41about steaks but i think that's the
0:00:43first time I ever heard some money order
0:00:46and order Arnold Palmer is it possible
0:00:48that that was the first time i heard
0:00:50that in that it was you that did that it
0:00:53was almost certainly me and I guess it's
0:00:57possible it was the first time I Arnold
0:00:59Palmer's have really exploded in
0:01:01popularity lately
0:01:03this is this is the reason I'm late you
0:01:05know you're having a morning Arnold
0:01:06Palmer I got into a terrible habit you
0:01:11know how can be with the abusing any
0:01:12substance
0:01:13yeah it starts out simple enough yeah I
0:01:17started out the gateway drug for me was
0:01:18the snapple the lemon tea snapple iced
0:01:20it was terrible stuff the those people
0:01:22are like abortion clinic bombers yes
0:01:25very much like nazi abortion diversity
0:01:28build the abortion clinic they let the
0:01:29abortions happen then they bombed the
0:01:31clinic
0:01:32mhm getting going both ways east and
0:01:34west mmm yeah 911 was a conspiracy
0:01:37yeah it was faked what's was a circus
0:01:41are back on that ok I i started the
0:01:43gateway drug for me this is quick the
0:01:45the first thing was the I don't know why
0:01:47I did I looked at the back
0:01:48I'm trying to avoid the hfcs just high
0:01:52fructose corn syrup
0:01:53I think it's bad for you you know it and
0:01:56I don't think sugar is good for you but
0:01:57I'm trying
0:01:58dunno y like I'm I'm on board with that
0:02:00particular trend that I i suspect that
0:02:03might be liberal health food store
0:02:06overprotective mom
0:02:10really I you know I'm various I'm very
0:02:12suspicious of all of those you think
0:02:14that once you think that's one of those
0:02:15fake things i don't know i mean where I
0:02:18mean after it's been processed so much
0:02:21that all that's left in it is like
0:02:25hydrocarbons right so if you believe
0:02:29that processing is inherently bad but
0:02:34that seems like a spiritual argument
0:02:35right the thing itself isn't isn't any
0:02:39worse for you than sugar cane the the
0:02:43molecules aren't any worse
0:02:44sure about that I don't know but it just
0:02:47seems like it you know it seems like
0:02:49it's one of those things where it's just
0:02:50there
0:02:51the argument is that it's been processed
0:02:52so much that like that
0:02:55healthful spirits have been taken out of
0:02:58it the natural sprites the natural elves
0:03:03of Health have been chased out and all
0:03:06that's left is something like is some
0:03:08Hitler crystal that neck sends you
0:03:13marching into pasture gone and nothing
0:03:15is left
0:03:16nothing's left the elf new and very old
0:03:19hustlers right they moved out it's all
0:03:21gone
0:03:22although let me tell you who i was to
0:03:24find a stockpile of very old hustlers or
0:03:27else hostlers I would horse certainly
0:03:29definitely help hustlers got PBS scan
0:03:33some people some people also cards i
0:03:36hustle elves they lock up the rainbow
0:03:37your watch that star hustler remember
0:03:40star hustler hit members only jacket
0:03:42zipped all the way up and he's very
0:03:43excited about about the sky maybe didn't
0:03:46get that you have in florida i think you
0:03:48had different PBS than we did we
0:03:50integrate different everything now
0:03:51here's the problem is i don't know if
0:03:53it's the high the fuck is the corner
0:03:55this Europe I don't even know where the
0:03:56problem isn't just called fuck tous that
0:04:00I fucked us corn syrup made from the
0:04:03best stuff on earth
0:04:05oh i thought i was in the clear but
0:04:06here's the thing i went there today I
0:04:08don't know why I try to get a coffee I
0:04:09didn't have time to get a coffee i want
0:04:11to have something to pump me up so you
0:04:12keep up with you and I went in they were
0:04:14out of the lemon tea so I got I thought
0:04:16of you and I picked up this is the fun
0:04:18part for this it's arnold palmer light
0:04:21half-and-half arnold palmer brain
0:04:23and light and big red with white little
0:04:27white letters on a half and half iced
0:04:28tea lemonade it's light didn't have
0:04:30anything but the light just like the
0:04:32CFL's where they were saving ten percent
0:04:35by making a 90 watt bulb 91 bulb that
0:04:39needs to be disposed of in a hazmat
0:04:41container because it's full of mercury
0:04:43and um but so you're telling me that
0:04:46Arnold Palmer drink now is branded
0:04:49arnold palmer drink and it's in a can
0:04:52yeah this is a 20-ounce bottle its
0:04:57slender and tall
0:04:58it's kinda like almost like a smart
0:05:00water form factor it's kinda and it's
0:05:02got a kind of a not a tripartite what
0:05:05would you call it a trip tik of him on
0:05:07the front of me as a young guy with when
0:05:10there's a bunch of other snapshots on
0:05:11here to prove that this is arnold palmer
0:05:13to to sell this product to a generation
0:05:16of kids who have never heard of Arnold
0:05:18Palmer's view encounter in arnold palmer
0:05:20product that only has four pictures of
0:05:22Arnold Palmer on it turn it away it's
0:05:23literally hitler poison is this is john
0:05:2666 pictures of golfing legend arnold
0:05:32palmer but the one they chose for the
0:05:33main one of the of the trick is is him
0:05:36looking a little like you can't decide
0:05:38whether he's confused or mad he looks it
0:05:41looks a little bit all see he's just
0:05:43staring off in one direction but yeah
0:05:46this is your great by one dollar but uh
0:05:48you don't you don't worry that much
0:05:51about what you put in your body and you
0:05:52know that's not true i doing i do and in
0:05:55fact Arnold Palmer's have always for me
0:05:57been an opportunity to to craft a drink
0:06:03out of a mixed set of ingredients like
0:06:07app for me an Arnold Palmer is a is an
0:06:10entry-level fruity pleaser and a free
0:06:14did you make up that phrase fruity
0:06:16pleaser
0:06:16yeah you use it a lot use it on tour
0:06:18you'd mention a light yet the keys in an
0:06:20interview you did you invent that term
0:06:22just a curiosity
0:06:23well no but it was invented for me by my
0:06:25long-time bartender who's name is Jeff
0:06:29sparks who now owns his own bar here in
0:06:32Seattle called the dexter in hayes and I
0:06:35went into his bar
0:06:37after I quit drinking and I sat down at
0:06:40the bar and I was like well I quit
0:06:41drinking
0:06:42no way yeah and he said that that bodes
0:06:45ill for my business and I said yeah well
0:06:50hit you a cherry juice and soda
0:06:52I'm spreading the suffering around you
0:06:54know like I have to quit drinking so
0:06:56fuck you and and he said well let's see
0:07:00i we need to make you a drink and he you
0:07:03know he made what it what would be what
0:07:07what would be a suicide or a graveyard
0:07:09except out of mixed fruit juice instead
0:07:14about a pop so cranberry orange
0:07:17grapefruit little bit of the maraschino
0:07:21cherry water you know like you guys
0:07:25interested you guys open for them once I
0:07:27think maraschino cherry water yeah they
0:07:29were they were amazing but and they were
0:07:32like they were ahead of this whole
0:07:33Tweety rock thing yes but anyway so he
0:07:36called it a fruity pleaser and and it
0:07:40and it's been fruity please forever
0:07:41since and I thinking and most of the
0:07:42bars in seattle now if you say fruity
0:07:44pleaser to the bartender
0:07:46yeah and they know you're talking about
0:07:48I think you just first of all well
0:07:51second of all I i like the fact that you
0:07:53have introduced some entropy to this
0:07:56it's going to be a different drink every
0:07:57time I like that but first of all I
0:07:59think you found your version of the
0:08:00Arnold Palmer I think you need to brand
0:08:02this I don't know how you I don't know
0:08:03you could pass the FDA and putting that
0:08:05out but I'm telling you
0:08:06fruity pleaser right and it's different
0:08:08every time we don't know it might be
0:08:09good might be bad they don't use might
0:08:10be from concentrate
0:08:11that's the nature of the fruity pleaser
0:08:13and that's the thing sometimes you go
0:08:14into an ice bar you order fruity pleaser
0:08:17and the fruit juice has that kind of
0:08:20vaguely moldy tastes like it's been
0:08:22sitting in a it's been sitting in the
0:08:24gun or sitting in the freezer for too
0:08:25long you know what I mean like you go
0:08:27into a bar sometimes your fruit was
0:08:28always in those way if you worked in
0:08:30bars more than me but yeah I think ever
0:08:32being this white plastic containers that
0:08:34nobody really rinses very well and it's
0:08:36a mixer let's be honest it's a mixture
0:08:38that's gonna go with usually barbarro
0:08:41well well well brands somebody's
0:08:44somebody's going to get us something
0:08:45something whiskey
0:08:47and coke or something right the cook
0:08:50comes out of the shooter you got a gun
0:08:51what you call that we call that a gun
0:08:53you got the kind but i don't think a lot
0:08:55of care by and large your typical
0:08:56Seattle bar I don't want to project I
0:08:58don't get a lot of care going into
0:08:59renting this what you want a lot of
0:09:01hours it'll take 40 please are in some
0:09:02ways the juice actually like orange
0:09:05juice cranberry juice is also coming out
0:09:07of the gun so it's going past some moldy
0:09:10coca-cola molecules on its way not to
0:09:13make this all about molecules but it's
0:09:15going to pass these models is all about
0:09:16Hitler and but the thing is in seattle
0:09:19and portland and other super irritating
0:09:23American communities you can I mean now
0:09:26sometimes i go into a bar in order
0:09:27fruity pleaser and the bartender sits
0:09:29and hand squeezes five limes two
0:09:34grapefruits up a pineapple watermelon
0:09:37like he makes me a drink that by all
0:09:39rights should cost twenty-five dollars
0:09:41because of the the care that's gone into
0:09:44it and it's some of those fruity
0:09:46pleasers are the best drinks ever had
0:09:48but so I think of an Arnold Palmer as in
0:09:51that class of like this is something
0:09:52that somebody's gonna make for you out
0:09:54of what they have at the bar
0:09:57notnot something in a can but i love
0:09:59this i love this fruity please are in a
0:10:02can idea that's a yea I think it's
0:10:04different
0:10:05well this is the thing I mean you're
0:10:08getting older I why I assume that I
0:10:11assume you're getting heavier
0:10:13no it's getting harder and harder for
0:10:15you to move 0 2 i'm like great violence
0:10:20Brando lying on the backseat of a car
0:10:22being driven by michael jackson and
0:10:26Elizabeth Taylor is sitting in the
0:10:27passenger seat and I'm yelling stop it
0:10:30cannot be fried chicken Michaels
0:10:32Michaels just in tears I don't want to
0:10:34go to the jack-in-the-box again sergeant
0:10:37fried chicken
0:10:38I but it's gonna get hard to move is
0:10:40what i'm saying so you're going to
0:10:41extend your brand in in wholesome ways
0:10:43and ways that scale well you know you
0:10:46wanna enterprise-class beverage that you
0:10:48can put your name somebody like you
0:10:50you have you have a lot of what's the
0:10:52word haha infamies the wrong word famous
0:10:57certainly the wrong word but people have
0:10:59heard of you
0:11:00they might be annoyed
0:11:01probably thirsty notoriety John do you
0:11:04go into stores do you realize how many
0:11:05drinks there are in stores now there's
0:11:06so many drinks and so I can't stand it I
0:11:09can't stand it i walked down those drink
0:11:11Isles and I just feel like it's just one
0:11:13more way I'm being assaulted
0:11:15I'm being honest I'm being I'm being
0:11:17sodomized by America
0:11:20yeah like real i like yeah okay sorry
0:11:24you remember going to your moms that I
0:11:25don't mean to keep interrupting you know
0:11:27i got it i know it in to get it
0:11:29yeah but did you remember going to the
0:11:32grocery store to get beer back in the
0:11:34old days when when when at least one I
0:11:36drank beer there were seven kinds of
0:11:38beer
0:11:39yeah now there's 750 kinds of beer and I
0:11:45don't know you got artist artists and no
0:11:47one's got mexican with tomatoes in it
0:11:49there are different sizes now are
0:11:52disabled artists and authors i know
0:11:54that's a big in portland artisanal bread
0:11:58are saying we're yeah you making all
0:12:01kinds of you know small small small cask
0:12:06small cask artisanal beers
0:12:08yeah go ahead i think that you know I
0:12:11think the canonical pronunciation of
0:12:13that word is artisanal but artists anal
0:12:17I don't know it residents were announced
0:12:19canonical just transferred canonical
0:12:23coming up could non-melanoma goal
0:12:25setting aside that I have no idea who
0:12:27needs that much selection
0:12:29I mean let's be honest what here's the
0:12:30corn problem the corn problem is there's
0:12:32a lot of fucking corn much much of which
0:12:34has been subsidized by the fucking
0:12:36government there's all kinds of course a
0:12:37whole documentary about the corn is corn
0:12:39together children of the corn sure her
0:12:42sure you got but here's the thing
0:12:43it'sit's like the whole economy falling
0:12:46apart thing three trillion dollars had
0:12:47to find a home and so it went into a lot
0:12:49of bullshit and they didn't check
0:12:50people's credit so nobody paid it back
0:12:51and now that's why nobody is to have a
0:12:53house anymore and that's the thing
0:12:55there's all that corns gotta land
0:12:56somewhere and I got imagine that that is
0:12:59a big part of the h f c+ night I went to
0:13:05the safeway I gotta get milk for my
0:13:06daughter we're out of milk
0:13:07I gotta go I go to the safeway there are
0:13:10probably seven or eight of those big
0:13:13wide milk
0:13:14alpert like doors basically was like six
0:13:16doors of milk right it's completely
0:13:19baffling that there's like there's
0:13:20always like so a chocolate
0:13:22there's no lactose lactose-free and like
0:13:26you but you know what they did not have
0:13:27any they had like two things of 2% milk
0:13:30and the entire thing I think that's a
0:13:32failure i think if you've got that much
0:13:34chocolate soymilk and you cannot have a
0:13:35gallon of 2% milk for a beautiful little
0:13:37girl
0:13:38something is wrong oh my god you just
0:13:40prosecutor did I well I think as I feel
0:13:44like I I feel like most of that milk is
0:13:46adulterated milk somehow it it's been
0:13:49the molecules are all have been
0:13:52adulterated big chunks of Hitler now
0:13:55throughout throughout the overall the
0:13:57freezer cases like a lot of that Hitler
0:14:00is subsidized by the government official
0:14:01government still is propping up the
0:14:03moment while we having the French into
0:14:05it because i know they are your favorite
0:14:06topic the French the French but I get
0:14:12mad as it but as a bachelor for many
0:14:14years I ate almost exclusively in
0:14:17restaurants and almost exclusively in
0:14:20restaurants where I knew at least one
0:14:21girl who was a waitress that that is
0:14:25elegant and and so I didn't know where
0:14:28my food came from my food came from
0:14:30pretty girls is what I thought and and
0:14:33in that sense I'm like my daughter my
0:14:36five or six month old daughter who also
0:14:38thinks that food comes from pretty girls
0:14:40but now that i have now that i have a a
0:14:43little girl I have mouths to feed
0:14:45I'm going to supermarkets i'm going to
0:14:47grocery stores which is a thing I never
0:14:49used to i never used to do I think I
0:14:51probably when I was like george herbert
0:14:53walker bush i had not been in a grocery
0:14:55store since before world war two with
0:14:58the zebra thing
0:14:59yeah how much of the gallon milk I don't
0:15:01know fifteen cents fifty dollars
0:15:04I don't know now i'm going to grocery
0:15:07stores all the time i'm looking at i'm
0:15:08looking at these walls of products i'm
0:15:10trying to sort through them in order to
0:15:12find enough nutrition to keep my family
0:15:16going and also enough just raw
0:15:19carbohydrates to fill me with
0:15:21self-loathing those are my two the two
0:15:25things i look for
0:15:26here's some food for my family
0:15:28and then I need 8,000 calories of
0:15:31carbohydrates mix with cheese food is
0:15:34called a pairing a pairing yeah right
0:15:36you're gonna get a whole flight of shame
0:15:38you played them together let's get the
0:15:40plating you played it you played him
0:15:42that and and so I I'm actually very
0:15:44concerned about like buying things that
0:15:46are nutritious and not adulterated
0:15:49because i'm trying to feed people that I
0:15:51care about and I look at these products
0:15:55and and I i spend i'm not joking i spend
0:15:59hours standing in the aisles
0:16:02I'm that guy with the with the shopping
0:16:04cart blocking the aisle reading the
0:16:06ingredients on the back of some can of
0:16:08of multimix and wondering what the hell
0:16:11it is and how it is going to interact
0:16:14with me and and and yet the farmers
0:16:18market model where I would actually
0:16:20either a grow my own food or B goes
0:16:23somewhere some hippies are selling food
0:16:25that they grew that's just so much
0:16:27trouble because you gotta go a lot you
0:16:31go a lot and then you get all that you
0:16:32get all this scale only talk about the
0:16:35hippies all alone now that and started
0:16:38to have stuff i want to cook don't have
0:16:39a tail I think if you need to buy plants
0:16:43you might as well pick up some salmon
0:16:45but like I'm going to drive to the mall
0:16:47and like you seen out there where you
0:16:49live you probably got like freestanding
0:16:51hippie chords they're hippies all over i
0:16:54have to shoot him out of my garden
0:16:55yeah yeah I put copper down that keeps
0:16:58him from coming into the house put on
0:16:59some copper tape no copper the boric
0:17:02acid that's a good idea i've been
0:17:04playing Slayer job you can put up a job
0:17:08that'll keep me away huh really help
0:17:10wanted sign exactly haha alright it's
0:17:14hippie kryptonite
0:17:15we're never gonna solve this problem and
0:17:18it's just going to keep making me angry
0:17:20but by the hey what you're saying is so
0:17:22setting aside the like this may be your
0:17:25only chance for two minutes to yourself
0:17:26today to go to the store like there is a
0:17:29genuine component of like you you're
0:17:31just going to the store a lot i'm going
0:17:33to the store a lot yeah i mean for us it
0:17:35was like the weekend you can get diapers
0:17:38from
0:17:39no amazon.com and stuff like that but
0:17:41like you're just always buying something
0:17:43and then you get sick and you gotta get
0:17:46something for that and then you know
0:17:47what I mean it just feels like there's
0:17:48always and the clothes clothes do you
0:17:52close your child I I'm a proponent of
0:17:56the naked baby philosophy of 11 when my
0:18:00child comes in the door it's usually
0:18:02dressed in some kind of pink outfit that
0:18:05and it was then the child was dressed in
0:18:07this pink outfit by by unscrupulous
0:18:10others people usually women that I gotta
0:18:14keep girl with taste but that the baby
0:18:17has encountered in the course of her day
0:18:19like she passes through the hands of
0:18:21many women and i think in every every
0:18:23time a woman touches her she also
0:18:25changes her clothes for each additional
0:18:28minute touches her a little pink his
0:18:30head something something happens a hat
0:18:32goes on or some socks so the baby comes
0:18:34in the door the first thing i do is
0:18:36strip off all of this like a that all
0:18:39this accoutrement that she's acquired in
0:18:41the course of the day and reduce her
0:18:43down to her natural state which is baby
0:18:45in diaper and then and then the there's
0:18:50a little bit of time where she and I
0:18:51just because that's um that's how I sit
0:18:55around the house most of the day just
0:18:56baby and diaper
0:18:57that's my my preferred clothing also
0:18:59makes it easier on you
0:19:01yeah so then there's the two of us and
0:19:03we get a we share a wet wipe and then we
0:19:08reset that's a big part of attachment
0:19:10parenting wife sharing our attachment
0:19:14parenting
0:19:14that's right i read about that who we
0:19:17did a version of that was extreme I mean
0:19:20I have a pal good pal he and his lady
0:19:23did the thing where you like don't even
0:19:25set the kid down for like 90 days you
0:19:28just keep passing it like a potato or
0:19:30something I don't know maybe I'm nothing
0:19:31like a hamburger and met some kind of
0:19:33hook but it's because i think the nature
0:19:35of it is that the child is not allowed
0:19:37to touch the ground
0:19:38Wow otherwise it'll just be broken
0:19:40emotionally mhm
0:19:41it needs to trust that it will always be
0:19:43hanging somewhere we might have done
0:19:45something like that but it was
0:19:46accidental
0:19:47we never put the baby down because how
0:19:49can you put a cute little
0:19:50maybe down look at that there's so many
0:19:55ways gratefully so many ways gratefully
0:19:58that my daughter is way more like
0:20:00Madeline than me but uh one way we got a
0:20:03lot in common is that the pants thing
0:20:05the pants come off and neither one of
0:20:08you once pants on pants are a problem
0:20:10yeah and I cannot keep the kid and pants
0:20:12just look at the homebody she likes
0:20:14hanging out at home she can make police
0:20:15stuff no I mean she runs around like you
0:20:17know she goes to school and she has tons
0:20:18of running around like throughout the
0:20:19morning but I'm hanging out with her
0:20:21it's very much hardcore like were
0:20:23pretending that we're in a Pixar movie
0:20:24or several pixar movies and that's
0:20:26that's like what we do but it's very
0:20:28often mutually pantsless you know I'm
0:20:32watched a couple of those pixar movies
0:20:33and i know some of the people that work
0:20:35there and I have to say I think they
0:20:37have a lot of a lot of pants on their
0:20:39characters
0:20:40yeah they're they're mandated by the
0:20:42Hollywood blue laws
0:20:44this is a very very old joke / bit but
0:20:49you know their own they know kind of our
0:20:51own now by the disney and people have
0:20:53talked for years about why some cartoon
0:20:55I don't do this is a bit but it's true
0:20:56so why do some cartoon characters have
0:20:58pants and not others what is waiting
0:20:59requires goofy have pants blue doesn't
0:21:01have pants why is it that hardly any
0:21:04Donald Duck no pins Donald Duck no
0:21:06panties got a shirt and a hat but he's
0:21:07got no pants a lot of pigs don't have
0:21:10pants and I think that's a practical
0:21:12thing I think that's hard to draw and
0:21:13the curly tail is cute but I don't know
0:21:16if not even registering for my daughter
0:21:18she's covered as she spends her whole
0:21:19day surrounded by people in pants who
0:21:21are pushing pants agenda
0:21:23yeah and when she comes home you know
0:21:25it's a lot like the homeschooling thing
0:21:26we try to make him crazy with the Bible
0:21:28I think when she comes home she needs to
0:21:29have a comfortable place where pants are
0:21:31not only optional they're really frowned
0:21:32upon
0:21:33right here here Don Ramon behind you
0:21:36under percent and I begin with me let it
0:21:38begin with me
0:21:39that's how I feel I've met your little
0:21:41girl and and and i'm i'm sad to say i
0:21:44have not met her enough times but the
0:21:47that the time I've spent with her she's
0:21:49a magical creature and why you would why
0:21:53you would imprison that child in pants I
0:21:54I can't begin to understand why somebody
0:21:57would do that you want to know who like
0:21:58to cover up magic with pants
0:22:00Hitler how many times I was gonna see a
0:22:03bottomless Nazi and I'll and big pants
0:22:06too
0:22:07jodhpurs shot hoppers well you know what
0:22:12what what what the baby has done for me
0:22:14I I'm an inveterate thrift shop visitor
0:22:18as you know you and I have been to many
0:22:20thrift shops in San Francisco together i
0:22:22would describe you as a a serious thrift
0:22:26shop but not a connoisseur like no I
0:22:29means more than that thank you you might
0:22:30as well have a store you take it so
0:22:32seriously
0:22:33yeah and that's terrible because people
0:22:34come over to the house and they're like
0:22:36oh you should open a store and I say why
0:22:41the fuck would I want to open a store I
0:22:44I say this to my friends to who always
0:22:46are thinking and I'm sorry to keep
0:22:48swearing because i know you I no no this
0:22:50is a different thing we can call we want
0:22:52a good excellent
0:22:53we won't get featured on the itunes
0:22:55store oh well then let's be pigs
0:22:57no I want to get featured her i don't
0:22:59like my thumb
0:23:01I'm not gonna edit this john i just i
0:23:02don't have the cycles we don't know the
0:23:04cycles and I want we want to keep it
0:23:06real as you guys say know a lot about
0:23:09with you like it's a full lunch is that
0:23:11the one that is like when we've gone
0:23:12together i really have thought the
0:23:13entire time when the fuck are we gonna
0:23:15leave here is that you really do seem to
0:23:17look at anything that might fit you like
0:23:19lamps
0:23:20yeah yeah I'm wearing a lamp right now
0:23:23vintage lamp inside western lands got a
0:23:25yoke but that but the child has
0:23:27introduced this whole new universe of
0:23:30shopping for things for the child at
0:23:32thrift stores and I'm i ah I have a hard
0:23:39time with buying children's clothes
0:23:41full stop thrift stores are not like it
0:23:44seems to me that you could wrap a child
0:23:46in burlap for the times that the child
0:23:48needs to be outside and protected from
0:23:50the elements and really the rest of the
0:23:52time just why why are we dressing this
0:23:54why are we dressing this baby on so many
0:23:58levels so I mean I like it's the so many
0:24:00reasons not to dress a child that is
0:24:01ridiculous
0:24:02yeah and I'm in the best I'm in the
0:24:04decided minority because as you are
0:24:08I'll as you do i live in a world of
0:24:09women where I I look out from my from
0:24:13I ivory tower and all I see is a sea of
0:24:16women stretching to the horizon and then
0:24:18somewhere in the very far distance
0:24:20there's like some guys in a band but uh
0:24:25and the women are about to address this
0:24:28child compulsively this isn't that the
0:24:31kid is in six different outfits every
0:24:33day but so I go to the thrift stores and
0:24:36i'm not i I can't look for little sailor
0:24:38costumes or whatever but i am now
0:24:40finding i'm on this whole trip where I'm
0:24:44like buying old broken toys for the
0:24:48child and then this like the broken part
0:24:51I like the broken it dovetails with so
0:24:53many of my interests fixing broken toys
0:24:56is one of my interest old toys old
0:24:59broken things internal appreciation for
0:25:01disappointment right the kid learns from
0:25:04a very young age that her toys don't
0:25:06work
0:25:07um and so not to get ahead of herself in
0:25:11like I want there's a lot you know
0:25:12here's what you have you have a broken
0:25:14Christmas morning literally break every
0:25:17toy in front of her you go here you have
0:25:20a wood toy that other children have
0:25:22played with to death and now you get to
0:25:26win you get to caress it's worn surfaces
0:25:29and try not to get cut on my name is
0:25:33Jeff reality and you know what that is
0:25:37that's daddy's life that's daddy's life
0:25:40condensed there's a big difference
0:25:41between a thrift store and like the
0:25:44consignment thing though I was very
0:25:46opposed to anything used when people
0:25:48were very kindly offering us like stuff
0:25:50because you know right we should come
0:25:52back to this but one reason you don't
0:25:53dress the kids because they just got
0:25:54shit all over them all the time not
0:25:56literal poop but I just stuff there's
0:25:58this covered with junk all the time then
0:26:00basically mom literally maps little poop
0:26:03doesn't dust bunnies small electronics
0:26:06that it's going to all eventually be
0:26:08something you're going to need to clean
0:26:09out of some kind of a cotton like a plan
0:26:12maybe but I was resistant exactly that
0:26:14was my special special little kid you
0:26:17not want to give a bunch of junk now of
0:26:19course we do have other people in like
0:26:2010 seriously please take this toy don't
0:26:23spend sixty dollars on this please take
0:26:24this
0:26:25but now we've looked into some I mean
0:26:27we've gotten some hand-me-downs and I
0:26:29couldn't be happier
0:26:30but my most of the things that our
0:26:33daughter owns and where's are
0:26:35hand-me-downs we did have to go through
0:26:38a two-stage process first eliminating
0:26:42the things that were like visibly
0:26:46covered in barf and then going through
0:26:50that set so that we called that group of
0:26:53stuff and then went through this went
0:26:57through the hand-me-downs a second time
0:26:59to to try to detect the invisible barf
0:27:03and the lookout like I like infrared or
0:27:07like a block a backlight yeah you kind
0:27:10of you have to hold it up and you know
0:27:11we're dealing with your fingers and go
0:27:13is this garment just held together with
0:27:17dried barf or is this mostly clean
0:27:21because as you know a lot of kids
0:27:23clothes the kid only wears it once or
0:27:25twice and then they've outgrown it so a
0:27:28lot of kids clothes are fairly pristine
0:27:30other things are just it's just a suit
0:27:34of vomit so we went through and we
0:27:38called that we called all that out and
0:27:41then we had some pretty nice stuff that
0:27:44was all either free or or pennies on the
0:27:47dollar and I that but that's that's true
0:27:51of everything I own I I went through a
0:27:53phase about nine months ago where I had
0:27:56never owned a Ralph Lauren garment in my
0:28:00life when I was in when i was in high
0:28:04school and ralph lauren garments became
0:28:06were first fashionable with my own my
0:28:09peers my mom refused to buy me a rare
0:28:12flower and anything because she said but
0:28:15that should cost $65 at sears i could
0:28:19buy six shirts so I never had a real
0:28:24friend about the polo shirt very popular
0:28:27publisher often worn to a time
0:28:29no I never had one of those right and
0:28:32then I don't know nine months ago a year
0:28:34ago I was in a thrift store and I bought
0:28:38a shirt it was
0:28:39it was I there was a day that where I'd
0:28:41left the house thinking it was gonna be
0:28:43a warm day and then it turned into a
0:28:45cold day I know being from San Francisco
0:28:49you have no idea what I'm talking about
0:28:50right now it just stops and buzz from
0:28:52here
0:28:53yeah but I'm so I went into the forest
0:28:55dr bought this shirt and it was a it was
0:28:58a pretty nice shirt and it was a Ralph
0:29:02Lorenz shirt so I thought I'm a grown-up
0:29:06now i'm not gonna spend the rest of my
0:29:09life wearing a you know creeper lagoon
0:29:13t-shirts i'm gonna i can i can buy some
0:29:17shirts some nice shirts that have a
0:29:19creepy-looking t-shirt
0:29:20oh yeah really creepy lagoon and fiber
0:29:23and all the greats
0:29:25I love to have a careful examination in
0:29:28fact I think I've that I think right now
0:29:30i'm wearing a shirt that you gave me it
0:29:32says San Francisco transit t-shirt
0:29:35commemorating them the trolley cars or
0:29:39something huh
0:29:41I can't see it it's on my tommy wiseau
0:29:43poppy pop for analogy that you get the
0:29:45polo shirt long sleeve shirt so I
0:29:48started going to thrift stores and
0:29:49instead of looking for the stuff that I
0:29:51usually look for ice I include I i
0:29:55didn't i didn't substitute but I i added
0:29:58a new section that I was willing to
0:30:01peruse which was the button-down shirt
0:30:04section and I started buying ralph
0:30:07lauren shirts that I found that we're
0:30:09good condition that were cheap and I you
0:30:11know I kind of set like a two-dollar to
0:30:13five dollar maximum on what I was
0:30:16willing to pay you can still pay that
0:30:17for a shirt at your thrift stores
0:30:19oh yeah well and a lot of these shirts
0:30:21you know they're there they're expensive
0:30:24shirts they were purchased originally by
0:30:26rich people probably by Rich wives or
0:30:30girlfriends and given to men who did not
0:30:33have an interest in the shirt who died
0:30:36he then died or who got divorced and
0:30:41gave away all their shirts and are
0:30:43sitting somewhere right now with their
0:30:44hand down the front of their genes that
0:30:46dad jeans watching sports on a big TV
0:30:50so the thrift stores are full of these
0:30:52clothes that really haven't been warned
0:30:54that we're very expensive initially and
0:30:58you can buy them for next to nothing so
0:31:00I decided though I'm good now I'm gonna
0:31:02have her shirts with the little horsey
0:31:04on the autumn and I swear to you in the
0:31:08past year I probably about 20 of these
0:31:11things now I'm I'm like mr. horsey shirt
0:31:14guy that's your thing
0:31:15it's my bits my present thing yeah you
0:31:17often have a thing
0:31:19yeah yeah you gotta have a thing that's
0:31:21the thing that strikes me is like you
0:31:22you are you can think of at least two
0:31:25examples of things that I i associate
0:31:27three things that I associate with you
0:31:30with you
0:31:30customers many more but like there's
0:31:32that there's the was a clark dick
0:31:37clark's there's an open market john
0:31:38clark shoes is a little comic aust hurts
0:31:41Stan Smith sneakers yes i'm setting
0:31:45aside the chick magnet trucker cap for a
0:31:46minute
0:31:47like what you wear them at the wrong
0:31:48time you didn't wear the stan smith
0:31:50shoes when they were when they were hot
0:31:52like in the eighties or whatever right
0:31:54ditto for the eyes on the cost shirts
0:31:56right you bring it back you taking
0:31:58internet is that right like that for you
0:32:01I mean I i get i get fascinated by a by
0:32:04a thing and it's it's kind of outside of
0:32:09I don't know why I get fascinated by
0:32:12these things but what I do and then I
0:32:14then it's like a it's like it that
0:32:17demarcates the passage of time in a way
0:32:20like right i was wearing izod shirts for
0:32:23a while a couple of years ago and that
0:32:27it wasn't it in reaction to or even
0:32:30participating in other people's fashion
0:32:32it was just a thing that I got
0:32:35interested in and and and then I could
0:32:40then i got a now I'm over it and I don't
0:32:43wear eyes on shirts anymore and I've
0:32:45sent them back into the stream the izod
0:32:48shirts are into the river of life and
0:32:51there someone else has them now but I
0:32:54remember I remember at one point coming
0:32:57through your town when we were i had
0:33:00developed a vintage cowboy boot
0:33:03fascination and then it kind of spread
0:33:06to everybody in my band for a while
0:33:08there we were all wearing how would the
0:33:10eric and Michael yeah I'll stomping
0:33:13around the house in these pointy boots I
0:33:14remember that yeah and we would go to
0:33:16these like these little junk shops on
0:33:19the side of the road in Arkansas and
0:33:21there'd be all these cowboy boots you
0:33:24know these Tony Lamas from the fifties
0:33:27just covered with cobwebs and you go in
0:33:30there and buy a pair for twenty bucks
0:33:32and so anyway that became a thing for me
0:33:36for a while and I've got 25 pairs of
0:33:38vintage elephant skin powder blue cowboy
0:33:43boots here in the house that that uh I
0:33:46don't wear that much but i but i have i
0:33:48did buy a shelving unit and now they're
0:33:50kind of a their art display
0:33:52yeah like you're a lot like Einstein not
0:33:56good well I think you're like Einstein
0:33:59supposedly Einstein sister isn't one of
0:34:01stories here is like a cartoon character
0:34:02he just wore the same thing everyday
0:34:04right and so he would amenities you just
0:34:07go in the closet you grab the same
0:34:08clothes is it seems like that's all you
0:34:10have a very busy mind we have a lot of
0:34:12things going on a lot of people you need
0:34:13to talk to and it seems to me you want
0:34:15to keep it simple so you know right you
0:34:17probably order the same pretty pleased
0:34:19when you go into the bar you get the
0:34:20same burger we know when you go to
0:34:21burger place i'm thinking and is that
0:34:24right i can get close you can just go in
0:34:26and you know what you're in for
0:34:27there are some people like my my friend
0:34:30david bazan from the band pedro the lion
0:34:32who now is travels under his own name
0:34:35davis on da where's XX Christian I
0:34:40believe
0:34:40well you have formerly a devout
0:34:44Christian now a questioning man in the
0:34:48world
0:34:49driving on a suspended license he's now
0:34:51he's now well I think you may have
0:34:53gotten his license renewed but he's now
0:34:56he's now you know he's one of these one
0:34:59of the seekers and Davis on does not
0:35:03want to have to think about his clothes
0:35:04so he wears the same black t-shirt and
0:35:08levi's jeans every day
0:35:11and Chris wall of death cab for cutie
0:35:13very similar mentality to what you're
0:35:16saying when when when a converse decided
0:35:22they were going to stop making shoes in
0:35:24America and start making shoes in China
0:35:26chris waller went out and bought i'm
0:35:30pretty sure 25 pairs of low top
0:35:36cream-colored american-made converse
0:35:39which he still is working his way
0:35:43through
0:35:44he has that this was ten years ago at
0:35:47least
0:35:48and he has them stacked somewhere and
0:35:50when he wears a pair out he goes into
0:35:52the vault and brings out a new pair of
0:35:54converse and breaks them in so I'm not
0:35:58like that and actually wala once said to
0:36:01me I showed up at the studio one day and
0:36:03he said from day to day I don't know
0:36:06whether you're gonna walk in that door
0:36:07looking like a tenured professor of
0:36:10literature or like a space cowboy from
0:36:14the planet Soltan he said what I don't
0:36:18get it
0:36:18like what every day it's like a it's
0:36:21like you come in it and you're not
0:36:23exactly in costume but you're in an
0:36:26outfit that doesn't have any
0:36:30relationship to the outfit you wore
0:36:31yesterday or the outfit you're going to
0:36:33wear tomorrow and I hadn't even noticed
0:36:37honestly until he pointed out that that
0:36:41was true and I don't know what it
0:36:44represents curiosity about curiosity
0:36:50about identity that's what it is it's
0:36:54curiosity about identity because I'm
0:36:58glad you were close though I do wear
0:37:01clothes at least out of the house i'm
0:37:02not wearing clothes right now I mean all
0:37:04the time but i mean i think it's i think
0:37:06it's a good direction for you
0:37:08yeah yeah i think so too I like the way
0:37:11you dress I think I think you have an
0:37:12interesting an interesting way of
0:37:13dressing suite
0:37:15yeah I do and I see the appeal is ty
0:37:18preferred before is the cartoon
0:37:20character approach you know you don't
0:37:22see like Donald Duck
0:37:24you know show up you know in a def
0:37:26leppard sure he's always got the little
0:37:28sailor deal going on you guys I
0:37:30iconographic just just like your hair if
0:37:33you're if you were to show up at an
0:37:34event and your hair was was
0:37:38professionally styled yes people would
0:37:43say when does Merlin man arrived
0:37:45it's got a flat though it's not the hair
0:37:47used to be it's got a flat i need a
0:37:50haircut gotta go see Joey I believe in
0:37:52your hair though I believe it will I
0:37:54believe it will surge you think it'll
0:37:56get a second wind
0:37:57I don't get well because you've got a
0:37:59head of hair you're you're in your
0:38:01forties now and your hair's not going
0:38:03anywhere so far I mean it's getting
0:38:05great now which wich milady likes which
0:38:08i think is cool at least she says she
0:38:09likes it's easy enough to say that but
0:38:10yeah it's I feel lucky in that sense I
0:38:13feel died I mean I'm insecure about so
0:38:15many things that I'm glad I don't have
0:38:17to also be insecure about being a
0:38:19cliché of a man losing his hair
0:38:21yeah yeah I don't appear to be losing my
0:38:24hair
0:38:24no you said you got a really really good
0:38:26hair yeah i do i'm losing everything
0:38:28else but but not my hair
0:38:31I'm losing my hearing can you believe
0:38:33that i'm a mess on the hearing front
0:38:37yeah i went to a birthday party where
0:38:39the birthday party was that we're
0:38:41shooting ak-47 and in between clinical
0:38:47tingle picklehead before he even between
0:38:50clips i took my my headphones off my my
0:38:54earphones and then somebody shot
0:38:58somebody fired around and I didn't have
0:39:01my earphones on and I swear to you 20
0:39:05years of playing rock music I did less
0:39:09damage to my hearing then that one
0:39:11bullet fired right next to me with with
0:39:14my earphone off my ear
0:39:16it's it it just was like it was like an
0:39:19ice pick to the head and and I got a
0:39:22ring I got a ring and get the tinnitus
0:39:25the tenants whatever God gotta I gotta I
0:39:28gotta ringing oh god
0:39:30that sucks that's not that's not good oh
0:39:33my goodness we really that's awful
0:39:37do you listen to noise at night
0:39:40no no it's not it's not tonight is like
0:39:42where I'm where I'm clawing at the side
0:39:45of my head in madness
0:39:46it's just you know no more than usual
0:39:50ya know and not not any more than I do
0:39:53to get the you know the earwigs that in
0:39:56there a lot but uh but you know it is it
0:40:00isn't it is a sound I can duplicate that
0:40:03the pitch of the sound so I i am hearing
0:40:05and endless and it's I I remember my dad
0:40:08I'm my dad's favorite word for the last
0:40:1230 years of his life was 10 which makes
0:40:18everybody around you lose their mind
0:40:21after and I i hear myself doing it I'm
0:40:25already like but I think I don't know
0:40:29why I'm saying it like an old Jewish man
0:40:31look at that and see myself as I get
0:40:33older maybe 75 like I'd what you're
0:40:37gonna do one of those like could you
0:40:38repeat the salad dressing kind of guys
0:40:40pick up and like you know the nice part
0:40:43is like I think a lot about my senility
0:40:44because I know it's gonna happen i think
0:40:46it's probably kind of underway already
0:40:47and i like to think a lot about how all
0:40:49my numerous every all of my numerous
0:40:53drawbacks as a human being are gonna
0:40:56really cool s nicely together I think
0:40:59being a guy who doesn't listen very well
0:41:01talks a lot isn't very smart doesn't
0:41:03think a lot about what he says and
0:41:04sometimes a little bit nervous and
0:41:06paranoid it's gonna come together very
0:41:07very nicely
0:41:08that's a great combo if i miss here the
0:41:10dressing I'm gonna be pretty sure people
0:41:12are out to get me I can already tell but
0:41:14you know i i've noticed i mean there was
0:41:15a while there where your paranoia i was
0:41:18concerned what I was like Merlin is
0:41:20getting more and more paranoid all the
0:41:21time
0:41:22I don't know what people worry about me
0:41:23sometimes I just go through i go through
0:41:25the thing itself i'm always still the
0:41:26same awful person
0:41:27well but that's the thing yeah i think
0:41:29you I think your paranoia it ballooned
0:41:31and you've ratcheted back or something
0:41:33because you sneeze you seem a lot less
0:41:35paranoid that you get a year ago how
0:41:37long he's been saying that i don't know
0:41:39but there was a there was a window there
0:41:41was a few months
0:41:43disagree I disagree I don't like people
0:41:45being worried about me I really concerns
0:41:47me when people are worried about me
0:41:49so you're worried about people being
0:41:51worried about you know I'm just saying
0:41:52that the lady says Thousand Island
0:41:54dressing on understand i might stab her
0:41:56in the mouth fucked up and I think
0:41:58there's something else going on
0:41:59you speak more clearly miss and then I
0:42:02took 25 minutes people going on and I
0:42:05wouldn't even realize it
0:42:06there are cover you but you have a very
0:42:08good you have a tight-knit group of
0:42:09friends who are you saying i'm here but
0:42:11i don't have a lot of friends is what
0:42:13you're saying you have a very tight-knit
0:42:14group of friends that's not i'm not
0:42:16saying that that is that means it's a
0:42:17small group of friends it's just tight
0:42:19knit ok its people spread across America
0:42:22to people all over America who care
0:42:25about Merlin man who ya think about let
0:42:28them not just care think about Merlin
0:42:31Mann day-to-day like an ongoing way
0:42:34yeah just sort of like you really meant
0:42:36it totally freaks me out to think that
0:42:37does that doesn't really that's an awful
0:42:40thought my gosh I wish I just decide
0:42:43like just know that I disappear when i'm
0:42:44not with somebody
0:42:45sure right back up thought oh my god
0:42:49I've told you about being on tour and
0:42:51people come up to me in in bars or you
0:42:54know at shows and and I see them coming
0:42:57kinda with outstretched hand and your
0:43:01piece and I'm ready for my peace i put
0:43:04to right between their eyes not have
0:43:06standard air arcade fire i'm ready to
0:43:09say hello o.o you like my records why
0:43:13thank you
0:43:14and they walk up amigo you know Merlin
0:43:17man i love that i can hear you can't
0:43:21hear you I can't hear you
0:43:22I find it very very hard to play first
0:43:24of all it's very hard to get to you
0:43:26because the feelings of security that
0:43:27you have around here right here
0:43:29frequently a little fast and loose with
0:43:31the bathing and well-liked a that I just
0:43:35don't use soap
0:43:36well that's that's a religious issue i
0:43:40take four baths a day pray but I don't
0:43:42believe in soap no buttons and no soap
0:43:44and they're both in vain conceit of the
0:43:48English we call them talking about i
0:43:51think we should stop pretty soon though
0:43:53because this is this is good enough and
0:43:54then
0:43:55now I still wanna talk to you about
0:43:56glasses i was talking about Hitler I
0:43:58want to come back to steaks what was
0:43:59that place we went was that place the
0:44:01last place i fancy place where was
0:44:03likely a thousand dollars how much was
0:44:04that was good what was that place was
0:44:06this where we sat outside there was a
0:44:07demand late then we could replace that
0:44:10well it was what was this place where we
0:44:12smoked cigars after dinner I don't smoke
0:44:15I I it was it was that dark place where
0:44:18they were really nice to us even a good
0:44:20thing was that it was El Gaucho it was
0:44:23Al gaucho unquestionably yeah that was a
0:44:25good a steak
0:44:27yeah we had a good time there but but
0:44:29you started this conversation talking
0:44:30about a time where we gossiped about our
0:44:32friends at an outdoor steak restaurants
0:44:34near water and what were we go with that
0:44:37we were at the edgewater hotel really it
0:44:41seemed like a place where there's a lot
0:44:42of outdoor seating it looks like it
0:44:43might be the kind of place that served
0:44:45Badfish to tourists but it was a little
0:44:47bit fancy yeah and i think we had water
0:44:49in a clear glass now and we're down sit
0:44:53down
0:44:53we gossiped I think that chairs and we
0:44:55gossiped about some of your former
0:44:57bandmates for like 14 hours was scott
0:44:59simpson there i'm not familiar with this
0:45:01work
0:45:02no he wasn't this was this is a pretty
0:45:03long time ago oh this is when you still
0:45:06thought about people who quit your band
0:45:09ok I was not given to believe you don't
0:45:11really worry about so much anymore
0:45:12well it's there are so many people now i
0:45:14would i'd spend all my time just
0:45:16thinking about all the people that have
0:45:17been in the long winters in the
0:45:19fastbacks around think about drivers all
0:45:20day
0:45:21no but you know they're coming here
0:45:24they're coming here again I've ever had
0:45:25already bought tickets so they're half
0:45:27of the fastbacks just are watching the
0:45:30are just watching mods float around in
0:45:33the in their room and thinking pretty I
0:45:37mean the other half of the fastbacks are
0:45:39there just you know their regular
0:45:41American wondering when the model will
0:45:43bring them more to drink
0:45:45so the fastbacks are coming to San
0:45:46Francisco with that band that kind of
0:45:48our them off the muffs the muffs are
0:45:50opening for them
0:45:51don't let them offer them off slightly
0:45:52worried i think the muffs it feels to me
0:45:54got a lot of stick from the fastbacks
0:45:56tell me the fastbacks are are as great
0:45:59as they ever were
0:46:01well you just me that guy in a barn and
0:46:03made my fucking year
0:46:05yeah yeah clock
0:46:06just like I love that guy in fact this
0:46:08saturday I'm uh I'm starring in a music
0:46:11video for a local band here called stag
0:46:14and a current block is also going to be
0:46:17in that music video i'm playing a
0:46:21dejected heart i'm wearing a giant heart
0:46:25costume and Kurt block i think is going
0:46:29to be Santa clogged naturally yeah he's
0:46:35really he's like that's gonna be fun i
0:46:37wish you would do more work as talent i
0:46:38think that when you know acting talent i
0:46:39think that would be fun you're great at
0:46:41December's video at the big-ass beard
0:46:42yeah I don't uh somehow I thought that
0:46:46that appearing in December's video was
0:46:48really going to send my career through
0:46:50the roof but it right i think the beard
0:46:52most people don't recognize it as me i
0:46:54think most people only remember the
0:46:56barest Smith in the black smithy yeah
0:46:58you know I'm actually a character called
0:47:01Colin and his wife just released a a a
0:47:08book for preteens or I guess teens early
0:47:10teens where Colin wrote the story and
0:47:17Carson wrote the part of the drunk on
0:47:21ice and one of the characters in the
0:47:23book is called jock Roderick and he's a
0:47:31he's a vagabond and it does it TP
0:47:37anybody's house he doesn't I don't think
0:47:39in the book ET does any toilet papering
0:47:41but he is an honor
0:47:43yeah so I'm so now I've been
0:47:45immortalized in in cartoon form
0:47:47well again again immortalized again in
0:47:52cartoon form
0:47:53I want to talk about steak I want to
0:47:55talk about uh the eyeglasses are you
0:47:59listening what we're going to talk about
0:48:00that next time next time next time this
0:48:02is a perfect length is the perfectly
0:48:03we've already talked to liz is perfect
0:48:05no I you know we could I we literally
0:48:06could talk forever and so I'm thinking
0:48:08we should just we should once a week we
0:48:09should do this and we always got we
0:48:10always get one in the chamber enormous
0:48:11am absolutely
0:48:13well I want to talk about the Tea Party
0:48:15about Jesus
0:48:17you talk about really to politics i want
0:48:22to talk about the Tea Party you want to
0:48:23talk about the Tea Party given angle on
0:48:24it
0:48:25yeah i got an angle alright with you
0:48:27next time yeah let's do it next time
0:48:29alright alright I don't really have a
0:48:32wait-and-see you
0:48:34oh we're looking we're searching for an
0:48:35ending no no what I mean we we should we
0:48:38should do when somebody I i oh you know
0:48:40what i was talking to Jonathan Coulton
0:48:42huh
0:48:43and I said Merlin and i are going to do
0:48:44this talk on the phone once a week and
0:48:48jonathan coulton said you gotta have an
0:48:50angle i said i don't know if we have an
0:48:54angle and he said no no you gotta have
0:48:55an angle and this spending too much time
0:48:59with Flansburg that's right you
0:49:00understand what I think he's always got
0:49:02to know each other get a note now that's
0:49:04exactly right because that's Flansburg
0:49:06ones and what's your angle you gotta
0:49:07have an angle
0:49:08you know you should do a show about
0:49:09puppet people love puppets let me get
0:49:11back on the final guys got puppets but I
0:49:14don't know I but I don't know what our
0:49:16angle is an end here
0:49:17Colton said what we should do here's
0:49:19here was his idea i forgot to say this
0:49:21so she said this is the beginning
0:49:22ok Cole said we should we should play 20
0:49:26seconds of a song any song and then
0:49:30that'll be our launching pad for 20
0:49:34seconds of a song that will start
0:49:35talking about the song and then wolf
0:49:37because that's what we do i would do
0:49:39that i was little i mean that'd be
0:49:41that'd be a good feature my feeling is
0:49:42that these things find their own
0:49:43through-line I consider this a pilot i
0:49:45don't know if we'll ever do it again
0:49:46I don't know if anyone listen to i don't
0:49:47really care i'm gonna go put these on a
0:49:49website and we'll keep doing this I'll
0:49:52do whatever you want to do I just like
0:49:54the idea of rock on the line and just
0:49:55make me happy
0:49:56yeah I don't know if we need the I i
0:49:58said to Jonathan what we should what you
0:49:59and I should do is just play like the
0:50:01first 20 minutes 20 seconds of tax man
0:50:04and every every week we talked about it
0:50:08for half an hour in a totally different
0:50:11way i'll listen at baseline that doesn't
0:50:14it's it's astounding it's astounding
0:50:17oh I you know we should do that we need
0:50:20music i should use that song that you
0:50:22don't like that i like that's she never
0:50:26put it
0:50:27ok who's sugar from say and why don't
0:50:31you do anything with sugar and said you
0:50:33still not like it
0:50:34no I haven't listened to it for years I
0:50:38can't find some other computer its I
0:50:41don't know it's it's got that nice big
0:50:42you know what it would work that you
0:50:44could fade it out of the way that they
0:50:46get the beginning and it goes right in
0:50:47use it as the theme I think that's a
0:50:49great idea that yeah you have a copy can
0:50:52put your hands right now
0:50:54no like I say I haven't thought about it
0:50:56in a you haven't listened to your music
0:50:58you know i am one of the amount of those
0:51:02artists that not only does not but can
0:51:04hardly bear to if i'm in a store or a
0:51:08bar and my music comes on on the stereo
0:51:12i have a my reaction is always the same
0:51:15at first I go what's that
0:51:17how do I know that and then I go uh-huh
0:51:21uh-huh that's pretty good
0:51:22that's what is that this is a weird i
0:51:25know that and then I go oh oh no oh I
0:51:30have to get out of here happens the same
0:51:32way every time and at the only saving
0:51:35grace is that I always go through a two
0:51:38second period where I'm like oh that I
0:51:40that I like this that that song is cool
0:51:42and that's awkward
0:51:45the only thing that would be worse is if
0:51:47I went oh what is that that's likes now
0:51:50when I realized a little bit like
0:51:51accidentally masturbating about yourself
0:51:53whoa back it up because like 91 job
0:51:56taste that's never happened to tell the
0:51:58stranger but I i tried to listen to the
0:52:01podcast that you and I did last week and
0:52:05I actually caught myself laughing a
0:52:06couple of times in the first 10 minutes
0:52:09of it welcome to the problem and then I
0:52:11and then the second time I caught myself
0:52:13laughing I i just turned it off because
0:52:15I was like what are you laughing at
0:52:16that's restraint that's good that's not
0:52:19funny
0:52:20what do you have against Hitler talk
0:52:22enough with the Hitler talk my goodness
0:52:26alright let's start with I'll talk to
0:52:28you next week alright talk to you and so
0:52:30Thursday's yeah I don't know what's
0:52:32trying to think what we want what up
0:52:34what you know what I needed my negative
0:52:36i think sure need a pattern
0:52:38clean clothes I need one thing that
0:52:40happens every week and I can do that for
0:52:43you will that be you
0:52:45well Berlin man i can I can be that suit
0:52:48of armor for you thank you you're
0:52:51welcome
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