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0:00:00hello hello how are you

0:00:08well how are you against timely oh no

0:00:12it's uh it's ok I was early

0:00:14mm um do you remember that time we went

0:00:20out and got a stake when I was in

0:00:22seattle when you're pretty nice not

0:00:23nothing really really nice place but

0:00:25they so we sat outside and we have a

0:00:26steak remember that we got to guess what

0:00:29about our friends

0:00:30yeah I mean we have gotten a lot of

0:00:32steaks

0:00:34maybe we should cover that but yeah I do

0:00:37remember this one particular time

0:00:39that's a circle back don't talk more

0:00:41about steaks but i think that's the

0:00:43first time I ever heard some money order

0:00:46and order Arnold Palmer is it possible

0:00:48that that was the first time i heard

0:00:50that in that it was you that did that it

0:00:53was almost certainly me and I guess it's

0:00:57possible it was the first time I Arnold

0:00:59Palmer's have really exploded in

0:01:01popularity lately

0:01:03this is this is the reason I'm late you

0:01:05know you're having a morning Arnold

0:01:06Palmer I got into a terrible habit you

0:01:11know how can be with the abusing any

0:01:12substance

0:01:13yeah it starts out simple enough yeah I

0:01:17started out the gateway drug for me was

0:01:18the snapple the lemon tea snapple iced

0:01:20it was terrible stuff the those people

0:01:22are like abortion clinic bombers yes

0:01:25very much like nazi abortion diversity

0:01:28build the abortion clinic they let the

0:01:29abortions happen then they bombed the

0:01:31clinic

0:01:32mhm getting going both ways east and

0:01:34west mmm yeah 911 was a conspiracy

0:01:37yeah it was faked what's was a circus

0:01:41are back on that ok I i started the

0:01:43gateway drug for me this is quick the

0:01:45the first thing was the I don't know why

0:01:47I did I looked at the back

0:01:48I'm trying to avoid the hfcs just high

0:01:52fructose corn syrup

0:01:53I think it's bad for you you know it and

0:01:56I don't think sugar is good for you but

0:01:57I'm trying

0:01:58dunno y like I'm I'm on board with that

0:02:00particular trend that I i suspect that

0:02:03might be liberal health food store

0:02:06overprotective mom

0:02:10really I you know I'm various I'm very

0:02:12suspicious of all of those you think

0:02:14that once you think that's one of those

0:02:15fake things i don't know i mean where I

0:02:18mean after it's been processed so much

0:02:21that all that's left in it is like

0:02:25hydrocarbons right so if you believe

0:02:29that processing is inherently bad but

0:02:34that seems like a spiritual argument

0:02:35right the thing itself isn't isn't any

0:02:39worse for you than sugar cane the the

0:02:43molecules aren't any worse

0:02:44sure about that I don't know but it just

0:02:47seems like it you know it seems like

0:02:49it's one of those things where it's just

0:02:50there

0:02:51the argument is that it's been processed

0:02:52so much that like that

0:02:55healthful spirits have been taken out of

0:02:58it the natural sprites the natural elves

0:03:03of Health have been chased out and all

0:03:06that's left is something like is some

0:03:08Hitler crystal that neck sends you

0:03:13marching into pasture gone and nothing

0:03:15is left

0:03:16nothing's left the elf new and very old

0:03:19hustlers right they moved out it's all

0:03:21gone

0:03:22although let me tell you who i was to

0:03:24find a stockpile of very old hustlers or

0:03:27else hostlers I would horse certainly

0:03:29definitely help hustlers got PBS scan

0:03:33some people some people also cards i

0:03:36hustle elves they lock up the rainbow

0:03:37your watch that star hustler remember

0:03:40star hustler hit members only jacket

0:03:42zipped all the way up and he's very

0:03:43excited about about the sky maybe didn't

0:03:46get that you have in florida i think you

0:03:48had different PBS than we did we

0:03:50integrate different everything now

0:03:51here's the problem is i don't know if

0:03:53it's the high the fuck is the corner

0:03:55this Europe I don't even know where the

0:03:56problem isn't just called fuck tous that

0:04:00I fucked us corn syrup made from the

0:04:03best stuff on earth

0:04:05oh i thought i was in the clear but

0:04:06here's the thing i went there today I

0:04:08don't know why I try to get a coffee I

0:04:09didn't have time to get a coffee i want

0:04:11to have something to pump me up so you

0:04:12keep up with you and I went in they were

0:04:14out of the lemon tea so I got I thought

0:04:16of you and I picked up this is the fun

0:04:18part for this it's arnold palmer light

0:04:21half-and-half arnold palmer brain

0:04:23and light and big red with white little

0:04:27white letters on a half and half iced

0:04:28tea lemonade it's light didn't have

0:04:30anything but the light just like the

0:04:32CFL's where they were saving ten percent

0:04:35by making a 90 watt bulb 91 bulb that

0:04:39needs to be disposed of in a hazmat

0:04:41container because it's full of mercury

0:04:43and um but so you're telling me that

0:04:46Arnold Palmer drink now is branded

0:04:49arnold palmer drink and it's in a can

0:04:52yeah this is a 20-ounce bottle its

0:04:57slender and tall

0:04:58it's kinda like almost like a smart

0:05:00water form factor it's kinda and it's

0:05:02got a kind of a not a tripartite what

0:05:05would you call it a trip tik of him on

0:05:07the front of me as a young guy with when

0:05:10there's a bunch of other snapshots on

0:05:11here to prove that this is arnold palmer

0:05:13to to sell this product to a generation

0:05:16of kids who have never heard of Arnold

0:05:18Palmer's view encounter in arnold palmer

0:05:20product that only has four pictures of

0:05:22Arnold Palmer on it turn it away it's

0:05:23literally hitler poison is this is john

0:05:2666 pictures of golfing legend arnold

0:05:32palmer but the one they chose for the

0:05:33main one of the of the trick is is him

0:05:36looking a little like you can't decide

0:05:38whether he's confused or mad he looks it

0:05:41looks a little bit all see he's just

0:05:43staring off in one direction but yeah

0:05:46this is your great by one dollar but uh

0:05:48you don't you don't worry that much

0:05:51about what you put in your body and you

0:05:52know that's not true i doing i do and in

0:05:55fact Arnold Palmer's have always for me

0:05:57been an opportunity to to craft a drink

0:06:03out of a mixed set of ingredients like

0:06:07app for me an Arnold Palmer is a is an

0:06:10entry-level fruity pleaser and a free

0:06:14did you make up that phrase fruity

0:06:16pleaser

0:06:16yeah you use it a lot use it on tour

0:06:18you'd mention a light yet the keys in an

0:06:20interview you did you invent that term

0:06:22just a curiosity

0:06:23well no but it was invented for me by my

0:06:25long-time bartender who's name is Jeff

0:06:29sparks who now owns his own bar here in

0:06:32Seattle called the dexter in hayes and I

0:06:35went into his bar

0:06:37after I quit drinking and I sat down at

0:06:40the bar and I was like well I quit

0:06:41drinking

0:06:42no way yeah and he said that that bodes

0:06:45ill for my business and I said yeah well

0:06:50hit you a cherry juice and soda

0:06:52I'm spreading the suffering around you

0:06:54know like I have to quit drinking so

0:06:56fuck you and and he said well let's see

0:07:00i we need to make you a drink and he you

0:07:03know he made what it what would be what

0:07:07what would be a suicide or a graveyard

0:07:09except out of mixed fruit juice instead

0:07:14about a pop so cranberry orange

0:07:17grapefruit little bit of the maraschino

0:07:21cherry water you know like you guys

0:07:25interested you guys open for them once I

0:07:27think maraschino cherry water yeah they

0:07:29were they were amazing but and they were

0:07:32like they were ahead of this whole

0:07:33Tweety rock thing yes but anyway so he

0:07:36called it a fruity pleaser and and it

0:07:40and it's been fruity please forever

0:07:41since and I thinking and most of the

0:07:42bars in seattle now if you say fruity

0:07:44pleaser to the bartender

0:07:46yeah and they know you're talking about

0:07:48I think you just first of all well

0:07:51second of all I i like the fact that you

0:07:53have introduced some entropy to this

0:07:56it's going to be a different drink every

0:07:57time I like that but first of all I

0:07:59think you found your version of the

0:08:00Arnold Palmer I think you need to brand

0:08:02this I don't know how you I don't know

0:08:03you could pass the FDA and putting that

0:08:05out but I'm telling you

0:08:06fruity pleaser right and it's different

0:08:08every time we don't know it might be

0:08:09good might be bad they don't use might

0:08:10be from concentrate

0:08:11that's the nature of the fruity pleaser

0:08:13and that's the thing sometimes you go

0:08:14into an ice bar you order fruity pleaser

0:08:17and the fruit juice has that kind of

0:08:20vaguely moldy tastes like it's been

0:08:22sitting in a it's been sitting in the

0:08:24gun or sitting in the freezer for too

0:08:25long you know what I mean like you go

0:08:27into a bar sometimes your fruit was

0:08:28always in those way if you worked in

0:08:30bars more than me but yeah I think ever

0:08:32being this white plastic containers that

0:08:34nobody really rinses very well and it's

0:08:36a mixer let's be honest it's a mixture

0:08:38that's gonna go with usually barbarro

0:08:41well well well brands somebody's

0:08:44somebody's going to get us something

0:08:45something whiskey

0:08:47and coke or something right the cook

0:08:50comes out of the shooter you got a gun

0:08:51what you call that we call that a gun

0:08:53you got the kind but i don't think a lot

0:08:55of care by and large your typical

0:08:56Seattle bar I don't want to project I

0:08:58don't get a lot of care going into

0:08:59renting this what you want a lot of

0:09:01hours it'll take 40 please are in some

0:09:02ways the juice actually like orange

0:09:05juice cranberry juice is also coming out

0:09:07of the gun so it's going past some moldy

0:09:10coca-cola molecules on its way not to

0:09:13make this all about molecules but it's

0:09:15going to pass these models is all about

0:09:16Hitler and but the thing is in seattle

0:09:19and portland and other super irritating

0:09:23American communities you can I mean now

0:09:26sometimes i go into a bar in order

0:09:27fruity pleaser and the bartender sits

0:09:29and hand squeezes five limes two

0:09:34grapefruits up a pineapple watermelon

0:09:37like he makes me a drink that by all

0:09:39rights should cost twenty-five dollars

0:09:41because of the the care that's gone into

0:09:44it and it's some of those fruity

0:09:46pleasers are the best drinks ever had

0:09:48but so I think of an Arnold Palmer as in

0:09:51that class of like this is something

0:09:52that somebody's gonna make for you out

0:09:54of what they have at the bar

0:09:57notnot something in a can but i love

0:09:59this i love this fruity please are in a

0:10:02can idea that's a yea I think it's

0:10:04different

0:10:05well this is the thing I mean you're

0:10:08getting older I why I assume that I

0:10:11assume you're getting heavier

0:10:13no it's getting harder and harder for

0:10:15you to move 0 2 i'm like great violence

0:10:20Brando lying on the backseat of a car

0:10:22being driven by michael jackson and

0:10:26Elizabeth Taylor is sitting in the

0:10:27passenger seat and I'm yelling stop it

0:10:30cannot be fried chicken Michaels

0:10:32Michaels just in tears I don't want to

0:10:34go to the jack-in-the-box again sergeant

0:10:37fried chicken

0:10:38I but it's gonna get hard to move is

0:10:40what i'm saying so you're going to

0:10:41extend your brand in in wholesome ways

0:10:43and ways that scale well you know you

0:10:46wanna enterprise-class beverage that you

0:10:48can put your name somebody like you

0:10:50you have you have a lot of what's the

0:10:52word haha infamies the wrong word famous

0:10:57certainly the wrong word but people have

0:10:59heard of you

0:11:00they might be annoyed

0:11:01probably thirsty notoriety John do you

0:11:04go into stores do you realize how many

0:11:05drinks there are in stores now there's

0:11:06so many drinks and so I can't stand it I

0:11:09can't stand it i walked down those drink

0:11:11Isles and I just feel like it's just one

0:11:13more way I'm being assaulted

0:11:15I'm being honest I'm being I'm being

0:11:17sodomized by America

0:11:20yeah like real i like yeah okay sorry

0:11:24you remember going to your moms that I

0:11:25don't mean to keep interrupting you know

0:11:27i got it i know it in to get it

0:11:29yeah but did you remember going to the

0:11:32grocery store to get beer back in the

0:11:34old days when when when at least one I

0:11:36drank beer there were seven kinds of

0:11:38beer

0:11:39yeah now there's 750 kinds of beer and I

0:11:45don't know you got artist artists and no

0:11:47one's got mexican with tomatoes in it

0:11:49there are different sizes now are

0:11:52disabled artists and authors i know

0:11:54that's a big in portland artisanal bread

0:11:58are saying we're yeah you making all

0:12:01kinds of you know small small small cask

0:12:06small cask artisanal beers

0:12:08yeah go ahead i think that you know I

0:12:11think the canonical pronunciation of

0:12:13that word is artisanal but artists anal

0:12:17I don't know it residents were announced

0:12:19canonical just transferred canonical

0:12:23coming up could non-melanoma goal

0:12:25setting aside that I have no idea who

0:12:27needs that much selection

0:12:29I mean let's be honest what here's the

0:12:30corn problem the corn problem is there's

0:12:32a lot of fucking corn much much of which

0:12:34has been subsidized by the fucking

0:12:36government there's all kinds of course a

0:12:37whole documentary about the corn is corn

0:12:39together children of the corn sure her

0:12:42sure you got but here's the thing

0:12:43it'sit's like the whole economy falling

0:12:46apart thing three trillion dollars had

0:12:47to find a home and so it went into a lot

0:12:49of bullshit and they didn't check

0:12:50people's credit so nobody paid it back

0:12:51and now that's why nobody is to have a

0:12:53house anymore and that's the thing

0:12:55there's all that corns gotta land

0:12:56somewhere and I got imagine that that is

0:12:59a big part of the h f c+ night I went to

0:13:05the safeway I gotta get milk for my

0:13:06daughter we're out of milk

0:13:07I gotta go I go to the safeway there are

0:13:10probably seven or eight of those big

0:13:13wide milk

0:13:14alpert like doors basically was like six

0:13:16doors of milk right it's completely

0:13:19baffling that there's like there's

0:13:20always like so a chocolate

0:13:22there's no lactose lactose-free and like

0:13:26you but you know what they did not have

0:13:27any they had like two things of 2% milk

0:13:30and the entire thing I think that's a

0:13:32failure i think if you've got that much

0:13:34chocolate soymilk and you cannot have a

0:13:35gallon of 2% milk for a beautiful little

0:13:37girl

0:13:38something is wrong oh my god you just

0:13:40prosecutor did I well I think as I feel

0:13:44like I I feel like most of that milk is

0:13:46adulterated milk somehow it it's been

0:13:49the molecules are all have been

0:13:52adulterated big chunks of Hitler now

0:13:55throughout throughout the overall the

0:13:57freezer cases like a lot of that Hitler

0:14:00is subsidized by the government official

0:14:01government still is propping up the

0:14:03moment while we having the French into

0:14:05it because i know they are your favorite

0:14:06topic the French the French but I get

0:14:12mad as it but as a bachelor for many

0:14:14years I ate almost exclusively in

0:14:17restaurants and almost exclusively in

0:14:20restaurants where I knew at least one

0:14:21girl who was a waitress that that is

0:14:25elegant and and so I didn't know where

0:14:28my food came from my food came from

0:14:30pretty girls is what I thought and and

0:14:33in that sense I'm like my daughter my

0:14:36five or six month old daughter who also

0:14:38thinks that food comes from pretty girls

0:14:40but now that i have now that i have a a

0:14:43little girl I have mouths to feed

0:14:45I'm going to supermarkets i'm going to

0:14:47grocery stores which is a thing I never

0:14:49used to i never used to do I think I

0:14:51probably when I was like george herbert

0:14:53walker bush i had not been in a grocery

0:14:55store since before world war two with

0:14:58the zebra thing

0:14:59yeah how much of the gallon milk I don't

0:15:01know fifteen cents fifty dollars

0:15:04I don't know now i'm going to grocery

0:15:07stores all the time i'm looking at i'm

0:15:08looking at these walls of products i'm

0:15:10trying to sort through them in order to

0:15:12find enough nutrition to keep my family

0:15:16going and also enough just raw

0:15:19carbohydrates to fill me with

0:15:21self-loathing those are my two the two

0:15:25things i look for

0:15:26here's some food for my family

0:15:28and then I need 8,000 calories of

0:15:31carbohydrates mix with cheese food is

0:15:34called a pairing a pairing yeah right

0:15:36you're gonna get a whole flight of shame

0:15:38you played them together let's get the

0:15:40plating you played it you played him

0:15:42that and and so I I'm actually very

0:15:44concerned about like buying things that

0:15:46are nutritious and not adulterated

0:15:49because i'm trying to feed people that I

0:15:51care about and I look at these products

0:15:55and and I i spend i'm not joking i spend

0:15:59hours standing in the aisles

0:16:02I'm that guy with the with the shopping

0:16:04cart blocking the aisle reading the

0:16:06ingredients on the back of some can of

0:16:08of multimix and wondering what the hell

0:16:11it is and how it is going to interact

0:16:14with me and and and yet the farmers

0:16:18market model where I would actually

0:16:20either a grow my own food or B goes

0:16:23somewhere some hippies are selling food

0:16:25that they grew that's just so much

0:16:27trouble because you gotta go a lot you

0:16:31go a lot and then you get all that you

0:16:32get all this scale only talk about the

0:16:35hippies all alone now that and started

0:16:38to have stuff i want to cook don't have

0:16:39a tail I think if you need to buy plants

0:16:43you might as well pick up some salmon

0:16:45but like I'm going to drive to the mall

0:16:47and like you seen out there where you

0:16:49live you probably got like freestanding

0:16:51hippie chords they're hippies all over i

0:16:54have to shoot him out of my garden

0:16:55yeah yeah I put copper down that keeps

0:16:58him from coming into the house put on

0:16:59some copper tape no copper the boric

0:17:02acid that's a good idea i've been

0:17:04playing Slayer job you can put up a job

0:17:08that'll keep me away huh really help

0:17:10wanted sign exactly haha alright it's

0:17:14hippie kryptonite

0:17:15we're never gonna solve this problem and

0:17:18it's just going to keep making me angry

0:17:20but by the hey what you're saying is so

0:17:22setting aside the like this may be your

0:17:25only chance for two minutes to yourself

0:17:26today to go to the store like there is a

0:17:29genuine component of like you you're

0:17:31just going to the store a lot i'm going

0:17:33to the store a lot yeah i mean for us it

0:17:35was like the weekend you can get diapers

0:17:38from

0:17:39no amazon.com and stuff like that but

0:17:41like you're just always buying something

0:17:43and then you get sick and you gotta get

0:17:46something for that and then you know

0:17:47what I mean it just feels like there's

0:17:48always and the clothes clothes do you

0:17:52close your child I I'm a proponent of

0:17:56the naked baby philosophy of 11 when my

0:18:00child comes in the door it's usually

0:18:02dressed in some kind of pink outfit that

0:18:05and it was then the child was dressed in

0:18:07this pink outfit by by unscrupulous

0:18:10others people usually women that I gotta

0:18:14keep girl with taste but that the baby

0:18:17has encountered in the course of her day

0:18:19like she passes through the hands of

0:18:21many women and i think in every every

0:18:23time a woman touches her she also

0:18:25changes her clothes for each additional

0:18:28minute touches her a little pink his

0:18:30head something something happens a hat

0:18:32goes on or some socks so the baby comes

0:18:34in the door the first thing i do is

0:18:36strip off all of this like a that all

0:18:39this accoutrement that she's acquired in

0:18:41the course of the day and reduce her

0:18:43down to her natural state which is baby

0:18:45in diaper and then and then the there's

0:18:50a little bit of time where she and I

0:18:51just because that's um that's how I sit

0:18:55around the house most of the day just

0:18:56baby and diaper

0:18:57that's my my preferred clothing also

0:18:59makes it easier on you

0:19:01yeah so then there's the two of us and

0:19:03we get a we share a wet wipe and then we

0:19:08reset that's a big part of attachment

0:19:10parenting wife sharing our attachment

0:19:14parenting

0:19:14that's right i read about that who we

0:19:17did a version of that was extreme I mean

0:19:20I have a pal good pal he and his lady

0:19:23did the thing where you like don't even

0:19:25set the kid down for like 90 days you

0:19:28just keep passing it like a potato or

0:19:30something I don't know maybe I'm nothing

0:19:31like a hamburger and met some kind of

0:19:33hook but it's because i think the nature

0:19:35of it is that the child is not allowed

0:19:37to touch the ground

0:19:38Wow otherwise it'll just be broken

0:19:40emotionally mhm

0:19:41it needs to trust that it will always be

0:19:43hanging somewhere we might have done

0:19:45something like that but it was

0:19:46accidental

0:19:47we never put the baby down because how

0:19:49can you put a cute little

0:19:50maybe down look at that there's so many

0:19:55ways gratefully so many ways gratefully

0:19:58that my daughter is way more like

0:20:00Madeline than me but uh one way we got a

0:20:03lot in common is that the pants thing

0:20:05the pants come off and neither one of

0:20:08you once pants on pants are a problem

0:20:10yeah and I cannot keep the kid and pants

0:20:12just look at the homebody she likes

0:20:14hanging out at home she can make police

0:20:15stuff no I mean she runs around like you

0:20:17know she goes to school and she has tons

0:20:18of running around like throughout the

0:20:19morning but I'm hanging out with her

0:20:21it's very much hardcore like were

0:20:23pretending that we're in a Pixar movie

0:20:24or several pixar movies and that's

0:20:26that's like what we do but it's very

0:20:28often mutually pantsless you know I'm

0:20:32watched a couple of those pixar movies

0:20:33and i know some of the people that work

0:20:35there and I have to say I think they

0:20:37have a lot of a lot of pants on their

0:20:39characters

0:20:40yeah they're they're mandated by the

0:20:42Hollywood blue laws

0:20:44this is a very very old joke / bit but

0:20:49you know their own they know kind of our

0:20:51own now by the disney and people have

0:20:53talked for years about why some cartoon

0:20:55I don't do this is a bit but it's true

0:20:56so why do some cartoon characters have

0:20:58pants and not others what is waiting

0:20:59requires goofy have pants blue doesn't

0:21:01have pants why is it that hardly any

0:21:04Donald Duck no pins Donald Duck no

0:21:06panties got a shirt and a hat but he's

0:21:07got no pants a lot of pigs don't have

0:21:10pants and I think that's a practical

0:21:12thing I think that's hard to draw and

0:21:13the curly tail is cute but I don't know

0:21:16if not even registering for my daughter

0:21:18she's covered as she spends her whole

0:21:19day surrounded by people in pants who

0:21:21are pushing pants agenda

0:21:23yeah and when she comes home you know

0:21:25it's a lot like the homeschooling thing

0:21:26we try to make him crazy with the Bible

0:21:28I think when she comes home she needs to

0:21:29have a comfortable place where pants are

0:21:31not only optional they're really frowned

0:21:32upon

0:21:33right here here Don Ramon behind you

0:21:36under percent and I begin with me let it

0:21:38begin with me

0:21:39that's how I feel I've met your little

0:21:41girl and and and i'm i'm sad to say i

0:21:44have not met her enough times but the

0:21:47that the time I've spent with her she's

0:21:49a magical creature and why you would why

0:21:53you would imprison that child in pants I

0:21:54I can't begin to understand why somebody

0:21:57would do that you want to know who like

0:21:58to cover up magic with pants

0:22:00Hitler how many times I was gonna see a

0:22:03bottomless Nazi and I'll and big pants

0:22:06too

0:22:07jodhpurs shot hoppers well you know what

0:22:12what what what the baby has done for me

0:22:14I I'm an inveterate thrift shop visitor

0:22:18as you know you and I have been to many

0:22:20thrift shops in San Francisco together i

0:22:22would describe you as a a serious thrift

0:22:26shop but not a connoisseur like no I

0:22:29means more than that thank you you might

0:22:30as well have a store you take it so

0:22:32seriously

0:22:33yeah and that's terrible because people

0:22:34come over to the house and they're like

0:22:36oh you should open a store and I say why

0:22:41the fuck would I want to open a store I

0:22:44I say this to my friends to who always

0:22:46are thinking and I'm sorry to keep

0:22:48swearing because i know you I no no this

0:22:50is a different thing we can call we want

0:22:52a good excellent

0:22:53we won't get featured on the itunes

0:22:55store oh well then let's be pigs

0:22:57no I want to get featured her i don't

0:22:59like my thumb

0:23:01I'm not gonna edit this john i just i

0:23:02don't have the cycles we don't know the

0:23:04cycles and I want we want to keep it

0:23:06real as you guys say know a lot about

0:23:09with you like it's a full lunch is that

0:23:11the one that is like when we've gone

0:23:12together i really have thought the

0:23:13entire time when the fuck are we gonna

0:23:15leave here is that you really do seem to

0:23:17look at anything that might fit you like

0:23:19lamps

0:23:20yeah yeah I'm wearing a lamp right now

0:23:23vintage lamp inside western lands got a

0:23:25yoke but that but the child has

0:23:27introduced this whole new universe of

0:23:30shopping for things for the child at

0:23:32thrift stores and I'm i ah I have a hard

0:23:39time with buying children's clothes

0:23:41full stop thrift stores are not like it

0:23:44seems to me that you could wrap a child

0:23:46in burlap for the times that the child

0:23:48needs to be outside and protected from

0:23:50the elements and really the rest of the

0:23:52time just why why are we dressing this

0:23:54why are we dressing this baby on so many

0:23:58levels so I mean I like it's the so many

0:24:00reasons not to dress a child that is

0:24:01ridiculous

0:24:02yeah and I'm in the best I'm in the

0:24:04decided minority because as you are

0:24:08I'll as you do i live in a world of

0:24:09women where I I look out from my from

0:24:13I ivory tower and all I see is a sea of

0:24:16women stretching to the horizon and then

0:24:18somewhere in the very far distance

0:24:20there's like some guys in a band but uh

0:24:25and the women are about to address this

0:24:28child compulsively this isn't that the

0:24:31kid is in six different outfits every

0:24:33day but so I go to the thrift stores and

0:24:36i'm not i I can't look for little sailor

0:24:38costumes or whatever but i am now

0:24:40finding i'm on this whole trip where I'm

0:24:44like buying old broken toys for the

0:24:48child and then this like the broken part

0:24:51I like the broken it dovetails with so

0:24:53many of my interests fixing broken toys

0:24:56is one of my interest old toys old

0:24:59broken things internal appreciation for

0:25:01disappointment right the kid learns from

0:25:04a very young age that her toys don't

0:25:06work

0:25:07um and so not to get ahead of herself in

0:25:11like I want there's a lot you know

0:25:12here's what you have you have a broken

0:25:14Christmas morning literally break every

0:25:17toy in front of her you go here you have

0:25:20a wood toy that other children have

0:25:22played with to death and now you get to

0:25:26win you get to caress it's worn surfaces

0:25:29and try not to get cut on my name is

0:25:33Jeff reality and you know what that is

0:25:37that's daddy's life that's daddy's life

0:25:40condensed there's a big difference

0:25:41between a thrift store and like the

0:25:44consignment thing though I was very

0:25:46opposed to anything used when people

0:25:48were very kindly offering us like stuff

0:25:50because you know right we should come

0:25:52back to this but one reason you don't

0:25:53dress the kids because they just got

0:25:54shit all over them all the time not

0:25:56literal poop but I just stuff there's

0:25:58this covered with junk all the time then

0:26:00basically mom literally maps little poop

0:26:03doesn't dust bunnies small electronics

0:26:06that it's going to all eventually be

0:26:08something you're going to need to clean

0:26:09out of some kind of a cotton like a plan

0:26:12maybe but I was resistant exactly that

0:26:14was my special special little kid you

0:26:17not want to give a bunch of junk now of

0:26:19course we do have other people in like

0:26:2010 seriously please take this toy don't

0:26:23spend sixty dollars on this please take

0:26:24this

0:26:25but now we've looked into some I mean

0:26:27we've gotten some hand-me-downs and I

0:26:29couldn't be happier

0:26:30but my most of the things that our

0:26:33daughter owns and where's are

0:26:35hand-me-downs we did have to go through

0:26:38a two-stage process first eliminating

0:26:42the things that were like visibly

0:26:46covered in barf and then going through

0:26:50that set so that we called that group of

0:26:53stuff and then went through this went

0:26:57through the hand-me-downs a second time

0:26:59to to try to detect the invisible barf

0:27:03and the lookout like I like infrared or

0:27:07like a block a backlight yeah you kind

0:27:10of you have to hold it up and you know

0:27:11we're dealing with your fingers and go

0:27:13is this garment just held together with

0:27:17dried barf or is this mostly clean

0:27:21because as you know a lot of kids

0:27:23clothes the kid only wears it once or

0:27:25twice and then they've outgrown it so a

0:27:28lot of kids clothes are fairly pristine

0:27:30other things are just it's just a suit

0:27:34of vomit so we went through and we

0:27:38called that we called all that out and

0:27:41then we had some pretty nice stuff that

0:27:44was all either free or or pennies on the

0:27:47dollar and I that but that's that's true

0:27:51of everything I own I I went through a

0:27:53phase about nine months ago where I had

0:27:56never owned a Ralph Lauren garment in my

0:28:00life when I was in when i was in high

0:28:04school and ralph lauren garments became

0:28:06were first fashionable with my own my

0:28:09peers my mom refused to buy me a rare

0:28:12flower and anything because she said but

0:28:15that should cost $65 at sears i could

0:28:19buy six shirts so I never had a real

0:28:24friend about the polo shirt very popular

0:28:27publisher often worn to a time

0:28:29no I never had one of those right and

0:28:32then I don't know nine months ago a year

0:28:34ago I was in a thrift store and I bought

0:28:38a shirt it was

0:28:39it was I there was a day that where I'd

0:28:41left the house thinking it was gonna be

0:28:43a warm day and then it turned into a

0:28:45cold day I know being from San Francisco

0:28:49you have no idea what I'm talking about

0:28:50right now it just stops and buzz from

0:28:52here

0:28:53yeah but I'm so I went into the forest

0:28:55dr bought this shirt and it was a it was

0:28:58a pretty nice shirt and it was a Ralph

0:29:02Lorenz shirt so I thought I'm a grown-up

0:29:06now i'm not gonna spend the rest of my

0:29:09life wearing a you know creeper lagoon

0:29:13t-shirts i'm gonna i can i can buy some

0:29:17shirts some nice shirts that have a

0:29:19creepy-looking t-shirt

0:29:20oh yeah really creepy lagoon and fiber

0:29:23and all the greats

0:29:25I love to have a careful examination in

0:29:28fact I think I've that I think right now

0:29:30i'm wearing a shirt that you gave me it

0:29:32says San Francisco transit t-shirt

0:29:35commemorating them the trolley cars or

0:29:39something huh

0:29:41I can't see it it's on my tommy wiseau

0:29:43poppy pop for analogy that you get the

0:29:45polo shirt long sleeve shirt so I

0:29:48started going to thrift stores and

0:29:49instead of looking for the stuff that I

0:29:51usually look for ice I include I i

0:29:55didn't i didn't substitute but I i added

0:29:58a new section that I was willing to

0:30:01peruse which was the button-down shirt

0:30:04section and I started buying ralph

0:30:07lauren shirts that I found that we're

0:30:09good condition that were cheap and I you

0:30:11know I kind of set like a two-dollar to

0:30:13five dollar maximum on what I was

0:30:16willing to pay you can still pay that

0:30:17for a shirt at your thrift stores

0:30:19oh yeah well and a lot of these shirts

0:30:21you know they're there they're expensive

0:30:24shirts they were purchased originally by

0:30:26rich people probably by Rich wives or

0:30:30girlfriends and given to men who did not

0:30:33have an interest in the shirt who died

0:30:36he then died or who got divorced and

0:30:41gave away all their shirts and are

0:30:43sitting somewhere right now with their

0:30:44hand down the front of their genes that

0:30:46dad jeans watching sports on a big TV

0:30:50so the thrift stores are full of these

0:30:52clothes that really haven't been warned

0:30:54that we're very expensive initially and

0:30:58you can buy them for next to nothing so

0:31:00I decided though I'm good now I'm gonna

0:31:02have her shirts with the little horsey

0:31:04on the autumn and I swear to you in the

0:31:08past year I probably about 20 of these

0:31:11things now I'm I'm like mr. horsey shirt

0:31:14guy that's your thing

0:31:15it's my bits my present thing yeah you

0:31:17often have a thing

0:31:19yeah yeah you gotta have a thing that's

0:31:21the thing that strikes me is like you

0:31:22you are you can think of at least two

0:31:25examples of things that I i associate

0:31:27three things that I associate with you

0:31:30with you

0:31:30customers many more but like there's

0:31:32that there's the was a clark dick

0:31:37clark's there's an open market john

0:31:38clark shoes is a little comic aust hurts

0:31:41Stan Smith sneakers yes i'm setting

0:31:45aside the chick magnet trucker cap for a

0:31:46minute

0:31:47like what you wear them at the wrong

0:31:48time you didn't wear the stan smith

0:31:50shoes when they were when they were hot

0:31:52like in the eighties or whatever right

0:31:54ditto for the eyes on the cost shirts

0:31:56right you bring it back you taking

0:31:58internet is that right like that for you

0:32:01I mean I i get i get fascinated by a by

0:32:04a thing and it's it's kind of outside of

0:32:09I don't know why I get fascinated by

0:32:12these things but what I do and then I

0:32:14then it's like a it's like it that

0:32:17demarcates the passage of time in a way

0:32:20like right i was wearing izod shirts for

0:32:23a while a couple of years ago and that

0:32:27it wasn't it in reaction to or even

0:32:30participating in other people's fashion

0:32:32it was just a thing that I got

0:32:35interested in and and and then I could

0:32:40then i got a now I'm over it and I don't

0:32:43wear eyes on shirts anymore and I've

0:32:45sent them back into the stream the izod

0:32:48shirts are into the river of life and

0:32:51there someone else has them now but I

0:32:54remember I remember at one point coming

0:32:57through your town when we were i had

0:33:00developed a vintage cowboy boot

0:33:03fascination and then it kind of spread

0:33:06to everybody in my band for a while

0:33:08there we were all wearing how would the

0:33:10eric and Michael yeah I'll stomping

0:33:13around the house in these pointy boots I

0:33:14remember that yeah and we would go to

0:33:16these like these little junk shops on

0:33:19the side of the road in Arkansas and

0:33:21there'd be all these cowboy boots you

0:33:24know these Tony Lamas from the fifties

0:33:27just covered with cobwebs and you go in

0:33:30there and buy a pair for twenty bucks

0:33:32and so anyway that became a thing for me

0:33:36for a while and I've got 25 pairs of

0:33:38vintage elephant skin powder blue cowboy

0:33:43boots here in the house that that uh I

0:33:46don't wear that much but i but i have i

0:33:48did buy a shelving unit and now they're

0:33:50kind of a their art display

0:33:52yeah like you're a lot like Einstein not

0:33:56good well I think you're like Einstein

0:33:59supposedly Einstein sister isn't one of

0:34:01stories here is like a cartoon character

0:34:02he just wore the same thing everyday

0:34:04right and so he would amenities you just

0:34:07go in the closet you grab the same

0:34:08clothes is it seems like that's all you

0:34:10have a very busy mind we have a lot of

0:34:12things going on a lot of people you need

0:34:13to talk to and it seems to me you want

0:34:15to keep it simple so you know right you

0:34:17probably order the same pretty pleased

0:34:19when you go into the bar you get the

0:34:20same burger we know when you go to

0:34:21burger place i'm thinking and is that

0:34:24right i can get close you can just go in

0:34:26and you know what you're in for

0:34:27there are some people like my my friend

0:34:30david bazan from the band pedro the lion

0:34:32who now is travels under his own name

0:34:35davis on da where's XX Christian I

0:34:40believe

0:34:40well you have formerly a devout

0:34:44Christian now a questioning man in the

0:34:48world

0:34:49driving on a suspended license he's now

0:34:51he's now well I think you may have

0:34:53gotten his license renewed but he's now

0:34:56he's now you know he's one of these one

0:34:59of the seekers and Davis on does not

0:35:03want to have to think about his clothes

0:35:04so he wears the same black t-shirt and

0:35:08levi's jeans every day

0:35:11and Chris wall of death cab for cutie

0:35:13very similar mentality to what you're

0:35:16saying when when when a converse decided

0:35:22they were going to stop making shoes in

0:35:24America and start making shoes in China

0:35:26chris waller went out and bought i'm

0:35:30pretty sure 25 pairs of low top

0:35:36cream-colored american-made converse

0:35:39which he still is working his way

0:35:43through

0:35:44he has that this was ten years ago at

0:35:47least

0:35:48and he has them stacked somewhere and

0:35:50when he wears a pair out he goes into

0:35:52the vault and brings out a new pair of

0:35:54converse and breaks them in so I'm not

0:35:58like that and actually wala once said to

0:36:01me I showed up at the studio one day and

0:36:03he said from day to day I don't know

0:36:06whether you're gonna walk in that door

0:36:07looking like a tenured professor of

0:36:10literature or like a space cowboy from

0:36:14the planet Soltan he said what I don't

0:36:18get it

0:36:18like what every day it's like a it's

0:36:21like you come in it and you're not

0:36:23exactly in costume but you're in an

0:36:26outfit that doesn't have any

0:36:30relationship to the outfit you wore

0:36:31yesterday or the outfit you're going to

0:36:33wear tomorrow and I hadn't even noticed

0:36:37honestly until he pointed out that that

0:36:41was true and I don't know what it

0:36:44represents curiosity about curiosity

0:36:50about identity that's what it is it's

0:36:54curiosity about identity because I'm

0:36:58glad you were close though I do wear

0:37:01clothes at least out of the house i'm

0:37:02not wearing clothes right now I mean all

0:37:04the time but i mean i think it's i think

0:37:06it's a good direction for you

0:37:08yeah yeah i think so too I like the way

0:37:11you dress I think I think you have an

0:37:12interesting an interesting way of

0:37:13dressing suite

0:37:15yeah I do and I see the appeal is ty

0:37:18preferred before is the cartoon

0:37:20character approach you know you don't

0:37:22see like Donald Duck

0:37:24you know show up you know in a def

0:37:26leppard sure he's always got the little

0:37:28sailor deal going on you guys I

0:37:30iconographic just just like your hair if

0:37:33you're if you were to show up at an

0:37:34event and your hair was was

0:37:38professionally styled yes people would

0:37:43say when does Merlin man arrived

0:37:45it's got a flat though it's not the hair

0:37:47used to be it's got a flat i need a

0:37:50haircut gotta go see Joey I believe in

0:37:52your hair though I believe it will I

0:37:54believe it will surge you think it'll

0:37:56get a second wind

0:37:57I don't get well because you've got a

0:37:59head of hair you're you're in your

0:38:01forties now and your hair's not going

0:38:03anywhere so far I mean it's getting

0:38:05great now which wich milady likes which

0:38:08i think is cool at least she says she

0:38:09likes it's easy enough to say that but

0:38:10yeah it's I feel lucky in that sense I

0:38:13feel died I mean I'm insecure about so

0:38:15many things that I'm glad I don't have

0:38:17to also be insecure about being a

0:38:19cliché of a man losing his hair

0:38:21yeah yeah I don't appear to be losing my

0:38:24hair

0:38:24no you said you got a really really good

0:38:26hair yeah i do i'm losing everything

0:38:28else but but not my hair

0:38:31I'm losing my hearing can you believe

0:38:33that i'm a mess on the hearing front

0:38:37yeah i went to a birthday party where

0:38:39the birthday party was that we're

0:38:41shooting ak-47 and in between clinical

0:38:47tingle picklehead before he even between

0:38:50clips i took my my headphones off my my

0:38:54earphones and then somebody shot

0:38:58somebody fired around and I didn't have

0:39:01my earphones on and I swear to you 20

0:39:05years of playing rock music I did less

0:39:09damage to my hearing then that one

0:39:11bullet fired right next to me with with

0:39:14my earphone off my ear

0:39:16it's it it just was like it was like an

0:39:19ice pick to the head and and I got a

0:39:22ring I got a ring and get the tinnitus

0:39:25the tenants whatever God gotta I gotta I

0:39:28gotta ringing oh god

0:39:30that sucks that's not that's not good oh

0:39:33my goodness we really that's awful

0:39:37do you listen to noise at night

0:39:40no no it's not it's not tonight is like

0:39:42where I'm where I'm clawing at the side

0:39:45of my head in madness

0:39:46it's just you know no more than usual

0:39:50ya know and not not any more than I do

0:39:53to get the you know the earwigs that in

0:39:56there a lot but uh but you know it is it

0:40:00isn't it is a sound I can duplicate that

0:40:03the pitch of the sound so I i am hearing

0:40:05and endless and it's I I remember my dad

0:40:08I'm my dad's favorite word for the last

0:40:1230 years of his life was 10 which makes

0:40:18everybody around you lose their mind

0:40:21after and I i hear myself doing it I'm

0:40:25already like but I think I don't know

0:40:29why I'm saying it like an old Jewish man

0:40:31look at that and see myself as I get

0:40:33older maybe 75 like I'd what you're

0:40:37gonna do one of those like could you

0:40:38repeat the salad dressing kind of guys

0:40:40pick up and like you know the nice part

0:40:43is like I think a lot about my senility

0:40:44because I know it's gonna happen i think

0:40:46it's probably kind of underway already

0:40:47and i like to think a lot about how all

0:40:49my numerous every all of my numerous

0:40:53drawbacks as a human being are gonna

0:40:56really cool s nicely together I think

0:40:59being a guy who doesn't listen very well

0:41:01talks a lot isn't very smart doesn't

0:41:03think a lot about what he says and

0:41:04sometimes a little bit nervous and

0:41:06paranoid it's gonna come together very

0:41:07very nicely

0:41:08that's a great combo if i miss here the

0:41:10dressing I'm gonna be pretty sure people

0:41:12are out to get me I can already tell but

0:41:14you know i i've noticed i mean there was

0:41:15a while there where your paranoia i was

0:41:18concerned what I was like Merlin is

0:41:20getting more and more paranoid all the

0:41:21time

0:41:22I don't know what people worry about me

0:41:23sometimes I just go through i go through

0:41:25the thing itself i'm always still the

0:41:26same awful person

0:41:27well but that's the thing yeah i think

0:41:29you I think your paranoia it ballooned

0:41:31and you've ratcheted back or something

0:41:33because you sneeze you seem a lot less

0:41:35paranoid that you get a year ago how

0:41:37long he's been saying that i don't know

0:41:39but there was a there was a window there

0:41:41was a few months

0:41:43disagree I disagree I don't like people

0:41:45being worried about me I really concerns

0:41:47me when people are worried about me

0:41:49so you're worried about people being

0:41:51worried about you know I'm just saying

0:41:52that the lady says Thousand Island

0:41:54dressing on understand i might stab her

0:41:56in the mouth fucked up and I think

0:41:58there's something else going on

0:41:59you speak more clearly miss and then I

0:42:02took 25 minutes people going on and I

0:42:05wouldn't even realize it

0:42:06there are cover you but you have a very

0:42:08good you have a tight-knit group of

0:42:09friends who are you saying i'm here but

0:42:11i don't have a lot of friends is what

0:42:13you're saying you have a very tight-knit

0:42:14group of friends that's not i'm not

0:42:16saying that that is that means it's a

0:42:17small group of friends it's just tight

0:42:19knit ok its people spread across America

0:42:22to people all over America who care

0:42:25about Merlin man who ya think about let

0:42:28them not just care think about Merlin

0:42:31Mann day-to-day like an ongoing way

0:42:34yeah just sort of like you really meant

0:42:36it totally freaks me out to think that

0:42:37does that doesn't really that's an awful

0:42:40thought my gosh I wish I just decide

0:42:43like just know that I disappear when i'm

0:42:44not with somebody

0:42:45sure right back up thought oh my god

0:42:49I've told you about being on tour and

0:42:51people come up to me in in bars or you

0:42:54know at shows and and I see them coming

0:42:57kinda with outstretched hand and your

0:43:01piece and I'm ready for my peace i put

0:43:04to right between their eyes not have

0:43:06standard air arcade fire i'm ready to

0:43:09say hello o.o you like my records why

0:43:13thank you

0:43:14and they walk up amigo you know Merlin

0:43:17man i love that i can hear you can't

0:43:21hear you I can't hear you

0:43:22I find it very very hard to play first

0:43:24of all it's very hard to get to you

0:43:26because the feelings of security that

0:43:27you have around here right here

0:43:29frequently a little fast and loose with

0:43:31the bathing and well-liked a that I just

0:43:35don't use soap

0:43:36well that's that's a religious issue i

0:43:40take four baths a day pray but I don't

0:43:42believe in soap no buttons and no soap

0:43:44and they're both in vain conceit of the

0:43:48English we call them talking about i

0:43:51think we should stop pretty soon though

0:43:53because this is this is good enough and

0:43:54then

0:43:55now I still wanna talk to you about

0:43:56glasses i was talking about Hitler I

0:43:58want to come back to steaks what was

0:43:59that place we went was that place the

0:44:01last place i fancy place where was

0:44:03likely a thousand dollars how much was

0:44:04that was good what was that place was

0:44:06this where we sat outside there was a

0:44:07demand late then we could replace that

0:44:10well it was what was this place where we

0:44:12smoked cigars after dinner I don't smoke

0:44:15I I it was it was that dark place where

0:44:18they were really nice to us even a good

0:44:20thing was that it was El Gaucho it was

0:44:23Al gaucho unquestionably yeah that was a

0:44:25good a steak

0:44:27yeah we had a good time there but but

0:44:29you started this conversation talking

0:44:30about a time where we gossiped about our

0:44:32friends at an outdoor steak restaurants

0:44:34near water and what were we go with that

0:44:37we were at the edgewater hotel really it

0:44:41seemed like a place where there's a lot

0:44:42of outdoor seating it looks like it

0:44:43might be the kind of place that served

0:44:45Badfish to tourists but it was a little

0:44:47bit fancy yeah and i think we had water

0:44:49in a clear glass now and we're down sit

0:44:53down

0:44:53we gossiped I think that chairs and we

0:44:55gossiped about some of your former

0:44:57bandmates for like 14 hours was scott

0:44:59simpson there i'm not familiar with this

0:45:01work

0:45:02no he wasn't this was this is a pretty

0:45:03long time ago oh this is when you still

0:45:06thought about people who quit your band

0:45:09ok I was not given to believe you don't

0:45:11really worry about so much anymore

0:45:12well it's there are so many people now i

0:45:14would i'd spend all my time just

0:45:16thinking about all the people that have

0:45:17been in the long winters in the

0:45:19fastbacks around think about drivers all

0:45:20day

0:45:21no but you know they're coming here

0:45:24they're coming here again I've ever had

0:45:25already bought tickets so they're half

0:45:27of the fastbacks just are watching the

0:45:30are just watching mods float around in

0:45:33the in their room and thinking pretty I

0:45:37mean the other half of the fastbacks are

0:45:39there just you know their regular

0:45:41American wondering when the model will

0:45:43bring them more to drink

0:45:45so the fastbacks are coming to San

0:45:46Francisco with that band that kind of

0:45:48our them off the muffs the muffs are

0:45:50opening for them

0:45:51don't let them offer them off slightly

0:45:52worried i think the muffs it feels to me

0:45:54got a lot of stick from the fastbacks

0:45:56tell me the fastbacks are are as great

0:45:59as they ever were

0:46:01well you just me that guy in a barn and

0:46:03made my fucking year

0:46:05yeah yeah clock

0:46:06just like I love that guy in fact this

0:46:08saturday I'm uh I'm starring in a music

0:46:11video for a local band here called stag

0:46:14and a current block is also going to be

0:46:17in that music video i'm playing a

0:46:21dejected heart i'm wearing a giant heart

0:46:25costume and Kurt block i think is going

0:46:29to be Santa clogged naturally yeah he's

0:46:35really he's like that's gonna be fun i

0:46:37wish you would do more work as talent i

0:46:38think that when you know acting talent i

0:46:39think that would be fun you're great at

0:46:41December's video at the big-ass beard

0:46:42yeah I don't uh somehow I thought that

0:46:46that appearing in December's video was

0:46:48really going to send my career through

0:46:50the roof but it right i think the beard

0:46:52most people don't recognize it as me i

0:46:54think most people only remember the

0:46:56barest Smith in the black smithy yeah

0:46:58you know I'm actually a character called

0:47:01Colin and his wife just released a a a

0:47:08book for preteens or I guess teens early

0:47:10teens where Colin wrote the story and

0:47:17Carson wrote the part of the drunk on

0:47:21ice and one of the characters in the

0:47:23book is called jock Roderick and he's a

0:47:31he's a vagabond and it does it TP

0:47:37anybody's house he doesn't I don't think

0:47:39in the book ET does any toilet papering

0:47:41but he is an honor

0:47:43yeah so I'm so now I've been

0:47:45immortalized in in cartoon form

0:47:47well again again immortalized again in

0:47:52cartoon form

0:47:53I want to talk about steak I want to

0:47:55talk about uh the eyeglasses are you

0:47:59listening what we're going to talk about

0:48:00that next time next time next time this

0:48:02is a perfect length is the perfectly

0:48:03we've already talked to liz is perfect

0:48:05no I you know we could I we literally

0:48:06could talk forever and so I'm thinking

0:48:08we should just we should once a week we

0:48:09should do this and we always got we

0:48:10always get one in the chamber enormous

0:48:11am absolutely

0:48:13well I want to talk about the Tea Party

0:48:15about Jesus

0:48:17you talk about really to politics i want

0:48:22to talk about the Tea Party you want to

0:48:23talk about the Tea Party given angle on

0:48:24it

0:48:25yeah i got an angle alright with you

0:48:27next time yeah let's do it next time

0:48:29alright alright I don't really have a

0:48:32wait-and-see you

0:48:34oh we're looking we're searching for an

0:48:35ending no no what I mean we we should we

0:48:38should do when somebody I i oh you know

0:48:40what i was talking to Jonathan Coulton

0:48:42huh

0:48:43and I said Merlin and i are going to do

0:48:44this talk on the phone once a week and

0:48:48jonathan coulton said you gotta have an

0:48:50angle i said i don't know if we have an

0:48:54angle and he said no no you gotta have

0:48:55an angle and this spending too much time

0:48:59with Flansburg that's right you

0:49:00understand what I think he's always got

0:49:02to know each other get a note now that's

0:49:04exactly right because that's Flansburg

0:49:06ones and what's your angle you gotta

0:49:07have an angle

0:49:08you know you should do a show about

0:49:09puppet people love puppets let me get

0:49:11back on the final guys got puppets but I

0:49:14don't know I but I don't know what our

0:49:16angle is an end here

0:49:17Colton said what we should do here's

0:49:19here was his idea i forgot to say this

0:49:21so she said this is the beginning

0:49:22ok Cole said we should we should play 20

0:49:26seconds of a song any song and then

0:49:30that'll be our launching pad for 20

0:49:34seconds of a song that will start

0:49:35talking about the song and then wolf

0:49:37because that's what we do i would do

0:49:39that i was little i mean that'd be

0:49:41that'd be a good feature my feeling is

0:49:42that these things find their own

0:49:43through-line I consider this a pilot i

0:49:45don't know if we'll ever do it again

0:49:46I don't know if anyone listen to i don't

0:49:47really care i'm gonna go put these on a

0:49:49website and we'll keep doing this I'll

0:49:52do whatever you want to do I just like

0:49:54the idea of rock on the line and just

0:49:55make me happy

0:49:56yeah I don't know if we need the I i

0:49:58said to Jonathan what we should what you

0:49:59and I should do is just play like the

0:50:01first 20 minutes 20 seconds of tax man

0:50:04and every every week we talked about it

0:50:08for half an hour in a totally different

0:50:11way i'll listen at baseline that doesn't

0:50:14it's it's astounding it's astounding

0:50:17oh I you know we should do that we need

0:50:20music i should use that song that you

0:50:22don't like that i like that's she never

0:50:26put it

0:50:27ok who's sugar from say and why don't

0:50:31you do anything with sugar and said you

0:50:33still not like it

0:50:34no I haven't listened to it for years I

0:50:38can't find some other computer its I

0:50:41don't know it's it's got that nice big

0:50:42you know what it would work that you

0:50:44could fade it out of the way that they

0:50:46get the beginning and it goes right in

0:50:47use it as the theme I think that's a

0:50:49great idea that yeah you have a copy can

0:50:52put your hands right now

0:50:54no like I say I haven't thought about it

0:50:56in a you haven't listened to your music

0:50:58you know i am one of the amount of those

0:51:02artists that not only does not but can

0:51:04hardly bear to if i'm in a store or a

0:51:08bar and my music comes on on the stereo

0:51:12i have a my reaction is always the same

0:51:15at first I go what's that

0:51:17how do I know that and then I go uh-huh

0:51:21uh-huh that's pretty good

0:51:22that's what is that this is a weird i

0:51:25know that and then I go oh oh no oh I

0:51:30have to get out of here happens the same

0:51:32way every time and at the only saving

0:51:35grace is that I always go through a two

0:51:38second period where I'm like oh that I

0:51:40that I like this that that song is cool

0:51:42and that's awkward

0:51:45the only thing that would be worse is if

0:51:47I went oh what is that that's likes now

0:51:50when I realized a little bit like

0:51:51accidentally masturbating about yourself

0:51:53whoa back it up because like 91 job

0:51:56taste that's never happened to tell the

0:51:58stranger but I i tried to listen to the

0:52:01podcast that you and I did last week and

0:52:05I actually caught myself laughing a

0:52:06couple of times in the first 10 minutes

0:52:09of it welcome to the problem and then I

0:52:11and then the second time I caught myself

0:52:13laughing I i just turned it off because

0:52:15I was like what are you laughing at

0:52:16that's restraint that's good that's not

0:52:19funny

0:52:20what do you have against Hitler talk

0:52:22enough with the Hitler talk my goodness

0:52:26alright let's start with I'll talk to

0:52:28you next week alright talk to you and so

0:52:30Thursday's yeah I don't know what's

0:52:32trying to think what we want what up

0:52:34what you know what I needed my negative

0:52:36i think sure need a pattern

0:52:38clean clothes I need one thing that

0:52:40happens every week and I can do that for

0:52:43you will that be you

0:52:45well Berlin man i can I can be that suit

0:52:48of armor for you thank you you're

0:52:51welcome

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