Roderick on the Line

Ep. 233: "Babies are Boring"


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00:00:19   hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going [TS]

00:00:25   whoa whoa well that complicated [TS]

00:00:30   uh-huh really is going complicated at [TS]

00:00:33   all [TS]

00:00:34   hmm i am online shopping [TS]

00:00:38   oh really what ya doing some online did [TS]

00:00:45   some online shopping [TS]

00:00:46   what do you give you see what I'm [TS]

00:00:48   getting the system uh you know what [TS]

00:00:52   we're good for right now my order a [TS]

00:00:55   dingus for our plant that will tell us [TS]

00:00:59   if it wants water or needs different [TS]

00:01:01   light will tell you that video your [TS]

00:01:03   phone does it have a nap [TS]

00:01:04   mmm I don't think so i got the cheap [TS]

00:01:06   model can you can you connect it to your [TS]

00:01:09   nest so that it again i don't have a [TS]

00:01:11   nest but if I did I probably could you [TS]

00:01:14   know this is a wonderful time I a night [TS]

00:01:16   out I gotta clock now I'm getting this [TS]

00:01:20   is a pilot project i'm gonna try because [TS]

00:01:22   as you know we we can have the kind of [TS]

00:01:24   clock i would like where I would like it [TS]

00:01:26   not going to get into that but i did [TS]

00:01:28   find a very cool-looking clock it's an [TS]

00:01:30   analog clock meeting it's got hands and [TS]

00:01:33   it's got the radio signals so it sets [TS]

00:01:35   itself [TS]

00:01:36   oh it's a it's a is it is atomic is an [TS]

00:01:39   atomic dog is an atomic it's an atomic [TS]

00:01:42   technically an outdoor clock so you can [TS]

00:01:43   put it in the bathtub is an atomic Punx [TS]

00:01:45   atomic Punx yep atomic how that's a van [TS]

00:01:48   Halen song Boing and it's got that [TS]

00:01:52   temperature and humidity also analog on [TS]

00:01:55   it's got a little hands likely our [TS]

00:01:57   president and we're like a Tyrannosaurus [TS]

00:01:59   Rex very much like the Tyrannosaurus Rex [TS]

00:02:03   and and in so doing and I want to hear [TS]

00:02:06   about your complication just give me [TS]

00:02:07   some time to think about it I I know you [TS]

00:02:09   love this phenomenon i discussed this [TS]

00:02:11   with some friends on another show [TS]

00:02:12   recently i love the thing when you go to [TS]

00:02:14   amazon and you [TS]

00:02:17   it has the section near the top of the [TS]

00:02:20   page it's got a section called [TS]

00:02:21   frequently bought together [TS]

00:02:24   oh yes where you know it it lets you [TS]

00:02:26   know you know if people bought this [TS]

00:02:28   thing also also button so they sure did [TS]

00:02:31   yeah in this case it suggests that [TS]

00:02:34   people like to buy three clocks so 33 [TS]

00:02:40   different clock 333 different clocks [TS]

00:02:42   yeah yeah this is this is a funny [TS]

00:02:45   phenomenon to me and that sometimes when [TS]

00:02:47   you want to get a clock that says your [TS]

00:02:48   people but this clock also about these [TS]

00:02:50   other two clocks [TS]

00:02:51   yes they did and i think--not maybe it's [TS]

00:02:53   time to tune the algorithm a little bit [TS]

00:02:54   when that happens [TS]

00:02:55   yeah I see that to a lot where where you [TS]

00:02:58   are where the frequently bought things [TS]

00:03:00   frequently brought together could not at [TS]

00:03:03   no one ever would have bought those [TS]

00:03:04   things together right i mean it seems [TS]

00:03:06   like something you would catch like [TS]

00:03:08   where you go like people who bought this [TS]

00:03:10   washer dryer set also bought these other [TS]

00:03:12   two washer/dryer secondly no I icic why [TS]

00:03:15   you think that but that's not that's a [TS]

00:03:17   thing honey honey I'm gonna buy three of [TS]

00:03:20   these and we'll just send back the ones [TS]

00:03:21   we don't like no so there-there [TS]

00:03:23   algorithm must be saying people were [TS]

00:03:25   shopping for these three things [TS]

00:03:27   yeah I I've noticed a lot of emails now [TS]

00:03:32   from companies that i have gone to look [TS]

00:03:36   at something and then yeah right there [TS]

00:03:39   very panicky about it looks like you [TS]

00:03:42   left something in your cart [TS]

00:03:43   yeah oh my goodness you know if you [TS]

00:03:45   don't get that uh oh you won't have it [TS]

00:03:48   you said you were interested in this [TS]

00:03:49   hard drive but someone is everything [TS]

00:03:51   okay is it me do we need to talk [TS]

00:03:52   yeah yeah a lot of needy very needy very [TS]

00:03:55   needy and and I am I feel you know how I [TS]

00:03:58   so I'm in a minute situation now where [TS]

00:04:01   every part of every part of my existence [TS]

00:04:05   both in california and here in Seattle [TS]

00:04:07   is starting to be governed by looking at [TS]

00:04:10   real estate what everybody's looking at [TS]

00:04:14   real estate [TS]

00:04:14   yeah alright real estate real estate [TS]

00:04:16   real estate ok and and I long lived in a [TS]

00:04:20   culture where I would periodically go on [TS]

00:04:22   zillow and kind of search around the the [TS]

00:04:25   area see what's up see what's going on [TS]

00:04:28   ya see some houses that are for sale [TS]

00:04:29   what the what the what the going rate is [TS]

00:04:31   have a good friend like my good friend [TS]

00:04:34   Chadwick that's not really his name but [TS]

00:04:37   sounds like a made-up name [TS]

00:04:39   chadwick ya fella named an AI Chadwick [TS]

00:04:42   said with [TS]

00:04:43   haha ok quick Chadwick place cinnamon by [TS]

00:04:46   the long winters down now [TS]

00:04:49   down down down down down now no no what [TS]

00:04:53   is inexplicable I make each a quick [TS]

00:04:56   Chadwick Chadli let's go on chatter [TS]

00:04:59   chatterley alright chatter ssin hmm no [TS]

00:05:02   he here in Seattle he likes to go look [TS]

00:05:04   at property and periodically hill by how [TS]

00:05:06   so just fucking go up straight up and [TS]

00:05:08   buy a house he owns a flight for houses [TS]

00:05:11   people get money for these things [TS]

00:05:13   well it's you know you've got BCI be [TS]

00:05:15   savvy he buys these houses that are [TS]

00:05:17   better that he can't because he looks at [TS]

00:05:20   him all the time he's like this house is [TS]

00:05:21   underpriced for the value but he also [TS]

00:05:24   has a strong aesthetic right so he [TS]

00:05:26   doesn't buy houses that he doesn't like [TS]

00:05:27   he's never bought a house where he was [TS]

00:05:29   he didn't have a personal smart let me [TS]

00:05:31   tell you by if your personal buy stocks [TS]

00:05:33   it by stocking products that you believe [TS]

00:05:35   in using enjoy exactly but don't buy [TS]

00:05:37   stock in things that you think are [TS]

00:05:39   terrible things about Warren Buffett [TS]

00:05:41   says that I think oh boy I bet he does [TS]

00:05:43   hmm i bet Warren Buffett says the shit [TS]

00:05:46   out of that Warren Buffett says you [TS]

00:05:47   should buy things when they're not [TS]

00:05:48   costly and then sell them when they're [TS]

00:05:50   more costly stop the presses [TS]

00:05:52   yeah he's got a whole book about it Shh [TS]

00:05:54   little dog she's nasty [TS]

00:05:58   this is what I've been doing wrong i [TS]

00:05:59   haven't been savvy mhm you know so [TS]

00:06:02   chatter 7chad workmen denson he said [TS]

00:06:05   workman's and he went with the thing he [TS]

00:06:07   likes to do is get in his truck and [TS]

00:06:08   drive around and look at stuff that's [TS]

00:06:10   like number one thing he likes to do and [TS]

00:06:12   the things he likes to look at our [TS]

00:06:14   properties and it's not just that he's [TS]

00:06:17   scoping them to buy them [TS]

00:06:19   he just like to look at other people's [TS]

00:06:20   properties to you know he just look at [TS]

00:06:22   all the time that's one of the things he [TS]

00:06:24   likes to look at I admire frankly it's [TS]

00:06:26   like a real estate stalker [TS]

00:06:28   well just like yeah just wants to see [TS]

00:06:30   other people's compounds you want to see [TS]

00:06:31   what's going on ok IC xagliv enthusiast [TS]

00:06:34   yeah there's no I he astonishes me [TS]

00:06:37   because there's no Road in all of King [TS]

00:06:40   County that I by I would doubt for a [TS]

00:06:42   second that chad has been up you know [TS]

00:06:44   we'll get you drive somewhere way out in [TS]

00:06:46   the country with me like you know what's [TS]

00:06:47   up that road egos are there's a little [TS]

00:06:49   and you're like you've been up that road [TS]

00:06:51   yeah yes but so II be periodically as [TS]

00:06:55   he's driving around you'll see a house [TS]

00:06:57   like I liked that house and he's not a [TS]

00:06:59   rich guy but he's just savvy enough that [TS]

00:07:03   he knows how to put together a [TS]

00:07:04   downpayment me knows how to figure out [TS]

00:07:07   this matt and he puts it and he's you [TS]

00:07:10   know he's handy enough that he can kind [TS]

00:07:12   of get the house in shape it's not like [TS]

00:07:14   he is not you put a new roof on it but [TS]

00:07:16   nearly goes in there and he fixes it up [TS]

00:07:20   and coat of paint on it but because he [TS]

00:07:23   likes it that work doesn't seem not so [TS]

00:07:27   owners it's not like he's he's going [TS]

00:07:29   around flipping like garbage houses who [TS]

00:07:31   and he's just now is this blaze this guy [TS]

00:07:34   my age has got this strange little [TS]

00:07:36   portfolio of four cute little shingled [TS]

00:07:39   bungalows around the city you go [TS]

00:07:42   ok but what have I been doing with my [TS]

00:07:44   life yeah I could see that you know i'm [TS]

00:07:46   sitting around i got like 14 guitars [TS]

00:07:49   what the hell do they do i mean i like [TS]

00:07:51   them but yeah they don't generate and [TS]

00:07:53   make you healthy gonna pull a thread on [TS]

00:07:55   that sweater too hard [TS]

00:07:56   mm you know heard a lot of what you do [TS]

00:07:58   right was yeah anyway I was at an open [TS]

00:08:03   house the other day and it was one of [TS]

00:08:06   those open houses i don't know how many [TS]

00:08:07   open houses you go to but there are some [TS]

00:08:09   open houses where the realtor res really [TS]

00:08:12   dressed the place up all there's a thing [TS]

00:08:14   called staging la stage-by-stage okay [TS]

00:08:17   you make chocolate chip cookie so it [TS]

00:08:18   smells like cookies mmm what house [TS]

00:08:21   wouldn't you if you made in the morning [TS]

00:08:23   you make cookies and then right before [TS]

00:08:25   you open the house up you make fried [TS]

00:08:26   chicken [TS]

00:08:27   oh that's such a good idea yeah and then [TS]

00:08:29   everybody's like aha whatever it costs [TS]

00:08:31   they might bring like a fried chicken [TS]

00:08:33   candle just just because it would be [TS]

00:08:38   funny you know we all suffer from this [TS]

00:08:41   thing where like we like this solve the [TS]

00:08:42   problem that we understand everybody is [TS]

00:08:44   like your real estate agent wasn't very [TS]

00:08:46   good but you like to cook it and you're [TS]

00:08:48   open houses just turn the place [TS]

00:08:50   upside-down it was like Thanksgiving [TS]

00:08:51   dessert so tell me more about the guest [TS]

00:08:54   bath hang on hang on man I don't end up [TS]

00:08:56   sometime if you're there with your apron [TS]

00:08:58   on yes wiping your beer sweated brow [TS]

00:09:01   erotic I've been to back in the day I [TS]

00:09:03   went to a lot of open houses because my [TS]

00:09:04   mother was a real estate agent oh of [TS]

00:09:07   course [TS]

00:09:07   wars and so I did this release the [TS]

00:09:09   pre-staging days now [TS]

00:09:10   my understanding is today if you're [TS]

00:09:12   doing this and I want to get back to [TS]

00:09:13   your story and your complication [TS]

00:09:14   my understanding is you can have [TS]

00:09:16   services that will come in they'll even [TS]

00:09:18   bring in furniture but it needs to look [TS]

00:09:21   like a place that somebody would want to [TS]

00:09:22   live you can get some throw pillows [TS]

00:09:24   right you can get some fried chicken and [TS]

00:09:27   you could have a you know you might have [TS]

00:09:28   a make it look like a child who's happy [TS]

00:09:30   lives there [TS]

00:09:31   yes this is all true a with the caveat [TS]

00:09:34   that apparently and I've been we've been [TS]

00:09:37   over this many times and I sit still [TS]

00:09:39   astonishes me because I meet a lot of [TS]

00:09:42   nice people you know you know what I [TS]

00:09:43   mean yes like I got into a I got into a [TS]

00:09:47   cab this morning because my truck blew [TS]

00:09:49   up [TS]

00:09:49   mm that's kind of the complication oh [TS]

00:09:52   well it's just one of many complications [TS]

00:09:54   Merlin every every day you know [TS]

00:09:56   am i right yeah you are right so i get [TS]

00:09:59   into the cab and that and I start [TS]

00:10:01   talking to the driver as you do and he's [TS]

00:10:04   from Senegal and I said what time to [TS]

00:10:07   start this morning at 4am I said for [TS]

00:10:10   a.m. that's early and he said yeah but i [TS]

00:10:13   have to get you know I live in everett [TS]

00:10:15   which is a completely different town [TS]

00:10:18   from here to a no and a fairly long [TS]

00:10:21   drive and an unpleasant one and he said [TS]

00:10:25   yeah I gotta get back to the house by [TS]

00:10:26   noon because my wife starts working at [TS]

00:10:28   her job at one and i have to care for [TS]

00:10:31   our five month old [TS]

00:10:32   oh my god and then she gets off work at [TS]

00:10:34   11 and then I get the four hours of [TS]

00:10:38   sleep between 11 and 4 and then I start [TS]

00:10:40   the uber for the cab driving i'm not [TS]

00:10:42   complicated and I said you know not to [TS]

00:10:45   get all up in your business but that [TS]

00:10:47   seems unsustainable and he said it [TS]

00:10:49   really is i said 'what's you what you [TS]

00:10:52   what's your long-term plan here you [TS]

00:10:54   can't keep doing this can't live like [TS]

00:10:56   this and he said I think i'm gonna go [TS]

00:10:59   back to Center call you know how I was a [TS]

00:11:02   civil engineer in Senegal and and I just [TS]

00:11:07   you know I got knows my folks are here I [TS]

00:11:09   got a support network and frankly babies [TS]

00:11:12   are boring i don't want to surround the [TS]

00:11:13   baby all day and I was like you are [TS]

00:11:15   talking my language now babies are [TS]

00:11:17   boring [TS]

00:11:17   that's candid and we're driving along [TS]

00:11:19   and baba d'you know HIPAA grip and and [TS]

00:11:24   I'm like like this guy like there's no [TS]

00:11:26   the number of people i meet in a typical [TS]

00:11:31   day which is you know between five and [TS]

00:11:33   fifty for the most part I like them all [TS]

00:11:36   they're all you know so this guy that [TS]

00:11:39   normally in a situation like that I it [TS]

00:11:43   in a conversation like that where [TS]

00:11:44   somebody tells me to this happens to me [TS]

00:11:46   all the time i'm going back to Senegal [TS]

00:11:48   and I'm like really you're going back to [TS]

00:11:50   Senegal because I you know I i believe [TS]

00:11:52   in America [TS]

00:11:53   yes and I believe it i'm leaving us [TS]

00:11:57   you raised your daughter that's right i [TS]

00:11:59   believe in America as a place where [TS]

00:12:01   someone from Senegal can come and with a [TS]

00:12:04   little hard work and ingenuity and [TS]

00:12:06   American stick to it we can plant a flag [TS]

00:12:09   gear and then look what happens season [TS]

00:12:10   ended a sentence suspended sentence you [TS]

00:12:17   believe in America I do and so typically [TS]

00:12:20   in a situation like that i am always I [TS]

00:12:22   immediately go and this is you know this [TS]

00:12:24   is why I'm spy I a lot of cab drivers [TS]

00:12:28   will take me home for dinner with their [TS]

00:12:30   family because we get into a [TS]

00:12:31   conversation and they're like listen I [TS]

00:12:32   don't want to drop you off clean we come [TS]

00:12:34   back and talk to my wife and tell her [TS]

00:12:36   about this America that you keep telling [TS]

00:12:37   me about yes and so I would always I'd [TS]

00:12:40   always be like well hey you know like [TS]

00:12:42   let's strategize for a second here [TS]

00:12:43   before this cab ride is over and see [TS]

00:12:45   like what we can do to to do to make [TS]

00:12:49   your life more sustainable and and and [TS]

00:12:51   get you to double-down whatever I need [TS]

00:12:52   to do to put you in this country today [TS]

00:12:54   yeah how do i how do i get you into the [TS]

00:12:56   driver's seat of America [TS]

00:12:58   mm-hmm but talking to him and listening [TS]

00:13:00   to him i was like he and I see where [TS]

00:13:03   you're at [TS]

00:13:04   I see where you're coming from and he [TS]

00:13:05   said I'm at and I you know I made a [TS]

00:13:07   little reference to the yeah the whole [TS]

00:13:10   thing the current situation he was like [TS]

00:13:12   you know my wife was born here she [TS]

00:13:13   senegalese but she was born here I'm a [TS]

00:13:16   US citizen like I'm none of this [TS]

00:13:19   hullabaloo that's happening really [TS]

00:13:21   affects me at all [TS]

00:13:22   hmm it's just and also i'm from Senegal [TS]

00:13:24   i'm not from [TS]

00:13:25   you know some other random country that [TS]

00:13:28   country like Syria have another bad [TS]

00:13:30   country [TS]

00:13:30   yeah but he said I just you know I i'm [TS]

00:13:34   working all the time and he said that's [TS]

00:13:36   what I mean you know like II and and [TS]

00:13:39   we're having one of those conversations [TS]

00:13:40   there's a lot of like yeah yeah he's [TS]

00:13:43   like I'm a man and I'm like yeah he said [TS]

00:13:46   I'm you know I should be a work i should [TS]

00:13:48   be doing hard work and I was like oh [TS]

00:13:49   yeah he said I'm an engineer civil [TS]

00:13:51   engineer [TS]

00:13:52   yes god damn yes and and so he's even [TS]

00:13:57   though he's like I don't want to [TS]

00:13:58   surround the baby if i go back to [TS]

00:13:59   Senegal got my family I got everybody [TS]

00:14:01   there and I was like listen you know I I [TS]

00:14:04   just met you but seems to me going back [TS]

00:14:07   to senegal is not the worst plan you [TS]

00:14:09   ever had [TS]

00:14:09   mhm and and he's like yeah you know I [TS]

00:14:13   mean it's nice here I've been here 10 [TS]

00:14:15   years and I said what about France to [TS]

00:14:18   direct the Senegalese and France have a [TS]

00:14:21   like a reciprocal you guys are like [TS]

00:14:23   friend countries or Senate call was I [TS]

00:14:25   mean I guess when you talk about a [TS]

00:14:26   post-colonial relationship I guess you [TS]

00:14:28   don't say friend country public [TS]

00:14:29   complicated it's a little complicated [TS]

00:14:31   yeah it's not exactly like it's not like [TS]

00:14:33   friend cities or whatever like swapping [TS]

00:14:36   t-shirts in eighth grade it yeah right [TS]

00:14:38   it's like oh I mean I happen to know [TS]

00:14:40   that in Senegal like in Morocco like in [TS]

00:14:43   some countries with a former colonial [TS]

00:14:46   relationship with France that the [TS]

00:14:47   language of business there is friend [TS]

00:14:50   mean you know if you're going to do [TS]

00:14:51   you're going down to a government office [TS]

00:14:53   you're going to be speaking French I [TS]

00:14:55   said wouldn't you [TS]

00:14:55   what about pair what about Paris what [TS]

00:14:57   about what about the front would you go [TS]

00:15:00   to brunch and he did that what i have [TS]

00:15:03   come to find is the typical african [TS]

00:15:06   answer to that question which is no ID [TS]

00:15:12   no i do not want to go to France was [TS]

00:15:14   like mm tip of the hat to you it sounds [TS]

00:15:18   like senegal maybe in your future again [TS]

00:15:20   he seems very focused [TS]

00:15:21   it sounds like he knows what he wants in [TS]

00:15:22   life well this is the thing you know [TS]

00:15:24   this is the American dream this is why [TS]

00:15:26   I'm always when I meet somebody like [TS]

00:15:28   that I'm like double down on America [TS]

00:15:29   come on like you're the you are the [TS]

00:15:32   exact the the whole fact that you're [TS]

00:15:34   here and not in Senegal [TS]

00:15:36   is what makes you like that type of [TS]

00:15:38   American that they know that makes [TS]

00:15:42   America great once once and future [TS]

00:15:46   yeah but but yeah in this way to lose [TS]

00:15:50   weight to lose a fella you know we're at [TS]

00:15:53   some point we have the rapper and will [TS]

00:15:55   close the deal with the Senegalese man [TS]

00:15:57   and you hate the idea that for whatever [TS]

00:15:58   reason it's not working out you'd like [TS]

00:16:00   to think we can save this relationships [TS]

00:16:01   like that's exactly right Mike listen [TS]

00:16:03   you're living in everett you're driving [TS]

00:16:04   a cab from five over four o'clock in the [TS]

00:16:06   morning every day you got a [TS]

00:16:07   five-month-old baby I know that babies [TS]

00:16:10   are boring don't want to be there [TS]

00:16:12   what I had a baby I had a I had my mom [TS]

00:16:16   there and he was like ahhhhh see I was [TS]

00:16:19   like I know right [TS]

00:16:21   you get your mom there and you're like [TS]

00:16:23   hey this baby's born I'm gonna go wash [TS]

00:16:25   the car was this ride [TS]

00:16:27   well you know I mean we got a lot done [TS]

00:16:29   in a in a cab ride because I'm not [TS]

00:16:31   somebody that I don't sit in the back of [TS]

00:16:32   the cabin look at my phone [TS]

00:16:33   you know you know you get a chance to [TS]

00:16:35   talk to somebody [TS]

00:16:37   this is that this is the reason that [TS]

00:16:39   people don't believe that i'm an [TS]

00:16:40   introvert is that if i get in the back [TS]

00:16:43   of a cab is the reason [TS]

00:16:44   yeah if I can i get into the back of the [TS]

00:16:47   cab and I've got someone you know who's [TS]

00:16:50   basically trapped there with me and they [TS]

00:16:54   have a story they can tell me about [TS]

00:16:56   themselves [TS]

00:16:58   it's the perfect it's the perfect [TS]

00:16:59   climate right because this cab ride is [TS]

00:17:02   going to last 15 to 20 minutes and so [TS]

00:17:07   there's nothing we're never going to get [TS]

00:17:09   into a situation where I they're never [TS]

00:17:12   unless they're crazy person they're not [TS]

00:17:14   going to start talking to me about what [TS]

00:17:15   they're feeling about a flat taxes [TS]

00:17:18   well you know there's an intuit yeah you [TS]

00:17:19   know it's guys got a finite it's got a [TS]

00:17:21   beginning is kinda and that's a nice [TS]

00:17:22   feeling and I know how to interview a [TS]

00:17:24   guy right mean I know how to say where [TS]

00:17:26   you from and then not drop the ball [TS]

00:17:29   because I know where places are so he [TS]

00:17:32   said senator and I go oh you ever go to [TS]

00:17:34   Burkina Faso and he's like I went to [TS]

00:17:36   college there and then you know we're [TS]

00:17:38   off to the races and I learned something [TS]

00:17:41   I learned learn about a guy learn about [TS]

00:17:43   his problem i learn about is his [TS]

00:17:45   five-month-old his wife so there's the [TS]

00:17:48   thing [TS]

00:17:49   his wife was home with the baby and he [TS]

00:17:51   was working two jobs before and he was [TS]

00:17:53   like that was fine i like working two [TS]

00:17:56   jobs but then after the baby's a few [TS]

00:17:59   months old my wife comes to me and says [TS]

00:18:01   I can't stand this [TS]

00:18:03   I'm drug going crazy i want to go back [TS]

00:18:05   to work this baby is driving me crazy [TS]

00:18:06   and this baby is not a bad baby they're [TS]

00:18:09   just normal maybe speaker boring babies [TS]

00:18:12   are crazy making if you have to just sit [TS]

00:18:14   there and stare at it all day [TS]

00:18:16   you can't even go wash the car got a lot [TS]

00:18:18   to say about this and so you know [TS]

00:18:20   there's a lot of pressure on women to [TS]

00:18:23   not even show a crack right you're [TS]

00:18:27   supposed to take care of all this stuff [TS]

00:18:28   i don't want to make this political by [TS]

00:18:30   actually care about women and let's get [TS]

00:18:32   is pretty crazy that like they're [TS]

00:18:34   expected to take care of all of that to [TS]

00:18:35   not be bored and to not be frustrated [TS]

00:18:37   that they can't just have a glass of [TS]

00:18:38   wine like a person anymore [TS]

00:18:40   yeah and that whole business of that [TS]

00:18:42   whole business gets put on them up like [TS]

00:18:44   well you're a woman this is what you're [TS]

00:18:45   made to do you you love love this love [TS]

00:18:47   this little baby so his wife obviously [TS]

00:18:50   is a like to get going kind of gal and [TS]

00:18:52   she's like I can't stand stay home all [TS]

00:18:55   day staring at this baby i'm going to go [TS]

00:18:56   back to work at my job and he's like oh [TS]

00:18:59   ok yeah I guess I'm the baby was on the [TS]

00:19:03   other foot now i guess i'm working from [TS]

00:19:05   for a.m. to noon and then I'm sitting [TS]

00:19:08   here staring at this baby to that's Mike [TS]

00:19:10   that's the game like me up so yeah by [TS]

00:19:15   the time I got out of the car i think we [TS]

00:19:17   had agreed that it was at least a good [TS]

00:19:18   tentative plan to go back to Senegal for [TS]

00:19:21   a year or two and my sense is that if he [TS]

00:19:25   goes back to Senegal for a year to he's [TS]

00:19:27   going to want to stay his wife for [TS]

00:19:29   unclear unclear whether she can keep I [TS]

00:19:33   think you'll go back there and he'll [TS]

00:19:34   feel like he's he's hit he can find a [TS]

00:19:36   valid existence for himself [TS]

00:19:38   I'm not sure how she's going to get a [TS]

00:19:40   sense of the country of origin of the [TS]

00:19:43   boring baby was the baby born in the US [TS]

00:19:45   yes now that's an interesting wrinkle [TS]

00:19:47   right there yes but so was his wife [TS]

00:19:50   mmm [TS]

00:19:50   hmm oh wait she's America's American [TS]

00:19:52   well but she senegalese but she was born [TS]

00:19:55   in America interesting how did they meet [TS]

00:19:57   well she was born in America but then [TS]

00:19:59   they went back to her family went back [TS]

00:20:03   to Senegal when she was a little kid so [TS]

00:20:06   she grew up in central huh [TS]

00:20:08   but a so and that's where they met but [TS]

00:20:12   she had the option of going back to [TS]

00:20:14   America for college which she wanted to [TS]

00:20:17   do and she said listen I want to go to [TS]

00:20:19   college for a couple years in America [TS]

00:20:21   and he was like i'll go with you [TS]

00:20:23   mhm and then fast forward 10 long years [TS]

00:20:27   later and he's still here in diesel and [TS]

00:20:31   he says you know as you do he says time [TS]

00:20:33   flies and I was like yeah time does fly [TS]

00:20:35   my there's anything that time does its [TS]

00:20:37   flying it flies and flies and flies and [TS]

00:20:41   flies so uh so yeah what can you say I [TS]

00:20:46   mean yeah it's a you know the thing [TS]

00:20:48   about senegal it's nice there [TS]

00:20:50   it's nicer it's got a beach it's got you [TS]

00:20:53   know dude I don't know anything about [TS]

00:20:54   senegal I think they might make coffee [TS]

00:20:56   but I don't know anything about senegal [TS]

00:20:58   do you know about the parents to dakar [TS]

00:21:00   overlaid car race i do not so there's a [TS]

00:21:04   new car because we're favorite Chris [TS]

00:21:08   doctrine is a he's billeted sure that's [TS]

00:21:11   where yeah that's where the card wars [TS]

00:21:13   but otherwise she's always that right i [TS]

00:21:15   used to get your car noir ok I had some [TS]

00:21:18   money from being a busboy and I went to [TS]

00:21:20   the mall in tampa and i bought a big-ass [TS]

00:21:23   thing of your car noir and a white Miami [TS]

00:21:25   Vice jacket [TS]

00:21:26   you did the same day changed everything [TS]

00:21:29   no no you're telling me because you and [TS]

00:21:33   I are about the same age you're close [TS]

00:21:34   enough they as we get older we're much [TS]

00:21:36   closer [TS]

00:21:36   yeah you've got you've got the edge on [TS]

00:21:38   me a little bit sure do but you decided [TS]

00:21:40   at some point during that time that you [TS]

00:21:42   were just going to you're going to cast [TS]

00:21:44   your dice with the Miami Vice [TS]

00:21:47   I cast my dyson and advice I did you [TS]

00:21:49   forget that show was slotted for a while [TS]

00:21:52   well and you were damn you at least one [TS]

00:21:54   to college down there but this I'm [TS]

00:21:55   guessing this and apply Miami but i [TS]

00:21:57   watch TV at NBC like I like a normal [TS]

00:22:00   person [TS]

00:22:01   and you know i was graduating to a more [TS]

00:22:03   sophisticated sent this is a pre ralph [TS]

00:22:06   lauren polo for me but post like you [TS]

00:22:08   know dad's Aramus well what about [TS]

00:22:10   grandpa's hai karate [TS]

00:22:12   what about ck one ck the general fall [TS]

00:22:16   for ck1 know so the k1 my sense of ck [TS]

00:22:21   was helping clients right right was that [TS]

00:22:24   ck one was one of the first unisex [TS]

00:22:27   fragrance and the second look this up [TS]

00:22:28   because I had a girlfriend has kept its [TS]

00:22:31   calvin klein for ladies the one that's [TS]

00:22:33   real like spicy I I think calvin klein [TS]

00:22:38   one because you know you get you imprint [TS]

00:22:41   do you can print on certain sense [TS]

00:22:44   yep don't you think i'm afraid that i [TS]

00:22:48   imprinted pretty heavily on obsession [TS]

00:22:51   that's the one that's what i meant [TS]

00:22:52   comment yes it's the orange one [TS]

00:22:54   yes my first college girlfriend uses use [TS]

00:22:57   the the Calvin Klein obsession and that [TS]

00:22:59   will always be that smell to me now a [TS]

00:23:02   girl that I wanted to go out with use it [TS]

00:23:05   was a lorry basler it wasn't no Laurie [TS]

00:23:06   bachelor by that point had already died [TS]

00:23:09   no it was a girl in college that I [TS]

00:23:13   didn't not the redhead a doctor when we [TS]

00:23:15   don't mention no no it's not her [TS]

00:23:17   no this was all the way into college by [TS]

00:23:19   now but it was a girl who went to my [TS]

00:23:21   high school who then went to the same [TS]

00:23:23   college as me and during high school we [TS]

00:23:26   had flirted a lot and hard but we had [TS]

00:23:32   never put it together and we've never [TS]

00:23:34   put ourselves together and part of it [TS]

00:23:36   was that I was a late bloomer and part [TS]

00:23:41   of it was that she was a very unusual [TS]

00:23:46   girl like an unusual girl who had the [TS]

00:23:51   Calvin Klein obsession [TS]

00:23:53   yeah do you remember the character in [TS]

00:23:57   The Breakfast Club who put 40 sugars in [TS]

00:24:01   her pop is ali sheedi i'm guessing you [TS]

00:24:03   remember there weren't that many [TS]

00:24:05   characters in talking about process of [TS]

00:24:07   elimination I could get it down either [TS]

00:24:08   ally sheedy or your your your paramour [TS]

00:24:11   in response to your tweet she [TS]

00:24:13   still not responding to your tweets but [TS]

00:24:14   she's lost my ring world has never [TS]

00:24:16   responded i've got i've got i've given [TS]

00:24:18   it a little bit of a rest are you doing [TS]

00:24:20   any better with jane wiedlin no no in [TS]

00:24:23   fact I thought she came up in [TS]

00:24:25   conversation of the day I thought about [TS]

00:24:26   Jane know I kind of got you know I I [TS]

00:24:29   figured ultimately I had a really good [TS]

00:24:34   I really good exchange and and now kind [TS]

00:24:37   of a kind of a little bit of an Internet [TS]

00:24:42   I can't really say friendship but uh you [TS]

00:24:49   know an Internet collision I like just [TS]

00:24:52   internet home slices with Martha Quinn [TS]

00:24:56   mm little bit of back and forth with [TS]

00:24:59   Martha could really use that 92 boy I [TS]

00:25:02   sure could but but in 2015 [TS]

00:25:06   I i have enough enough back and forth [TS]

00:25:08   with Martha Quinn that I felt like you [TS]

00:25:10   know i'm doing ok yeah but Jane Wiedlin [TS]

00:25:12   no never I mean maybe she replied to me [TS]

00:25:15   one time Molly Ringwald has never [TS]

00:25:17   acknowledged my existence and I was [TS]

00:25:18   following Molly Ringwald really early we [TS]

00:25:20   saw it before it was cool yeah when she [TS]

00:25:22   had like fifteen hundred followers i was [TS]

00:25:24   like first of all day i have more [TS]

00:25:26   followers the molly ringwald and B yeah [TS]

00:25:28   you know what I'm gonna help her here [TS]

00:25:29   i'm gonna help i'm gonna help her this [TS]

00:25:31   is the kind of an idea as an American [TS]

00:25:32   you you know I think she's mostly French [TS]

00:25:34   these days if my serves so younger out [TS]

00:25:37   there and you're saying you know [TS]

00:25:39   Bienvenu although she's back now she's [TS]

00:25:42   back in America that whole French thing [TS]

00:25:44   was was an interlude aunjanue yeah she's [TS]

00:25:48   a that's right she's now in it I think [TS]

00:25:51   she's pretty much back which is in New [TS]

00:25:53   York yeah New York that's my sense is my [TS]

00:25:57   weekend I got retweeted a KD Lang and [TS]

00:25:59   neko case that's not really that is nice [TS]

00:26:03   I don't want a little the political this [TS]

00:26:05   weekend I didn't so great about her rack [TS]

00:26:07   up some big numbers but I don't feel [TS]

00:26:08   great about it doesn't usually happen [TS]

00:26:09   with you [TS]

00:26:11   I neko case the word on the street and [TS]

00:26:16   pretty reliable word on the street is [TS]

00:26:18   that needle case doesn't like me very [TS]

00:26:20   much [TS]

00:26:20   oh she seems like she has strong [TS]

00:26:22   opinions and you know engender if I [TS]

00:26:24   could use the word you and gender strong [TS]

00:26:26   opinions and people ya know you've [TS]

00:26:27   always been like this it's a lot like a [TS]

00:26:29   scent it's a lot like a Calvin Klein [TS]

00:26:30   obsession one that you can see people [TS]

00:26:32   have very strong reactions and these [TS]

00:26:34   things and hopefully I hopefully they [TS]

00:26:36   imprint on me quite quite often but not [TS]

00:26:38   getting stuck [TS]

00:26:39   yeah in this case she and printed on me [TS]

00:26:42   in a way that she was like I don't like [TS]

00:26:44   that guy just too bad how did they say [TS]

00:26:46   that in Africa [TS]

00:26:47   Oh Jenna sais quoi ya nah know but spit [TS]

00:26:51   don't get on the ground in Africa that's [TS]

00:26:55   not nobody's gonna like the house [TS]

00:26:57   arbitrary please don't shake somebody's [TS]

00:26:58   hand on your left hand to this day I [TS]

00:27:00   don't like when somebody hands me the [TS]

00:27:01   left-hand i think it's i think it's [TS]

00:27:02   problematic as people say no and [TS]

00:27:05   somebody let well online and especially [TS]

00:27:06   for going to do that little like like [TS]

00:27:08   like you're like a French King thing we [TS]

00:27:10   just kind of pull your fingers out like [TS]

00:27:11   you want your ring kissed but you never [TS]

00:27:13   know you never know who's bob dold oh no [TS]

00:27:16   that I'm open to that if I see something [TS]

00:27:18   you know I say something yeah i would [TS]

00:27:20   like to teach an online course in how to [TS]

00:27:22   shake hands I would like to really help [TS]

00:27:23   these millenniums understand how [TS]

00:27:25   important it is to know how to shake [TS]

00:27:27   someone's hand well but we can get back [TS]

00:27:28   to that so you're dating Ali she d's [TS]

00:27:30   avatar she's putting she's got Calvin [TS]

00:27:32   Klein's obsession and she's putting lots [TS]

00:27:34   of sugar and a pepsi well I wasn't [TS]

00:27:35   dating or I was change so sorry let me [TS]

00:27:37   check that ok and see was to chasing me [TS]

00:27:41   at your house hunting her but she used [TS]

00:27:44   so much obsession i think it's that [TS]

00:27:48   likely like Ralph Lorenz polo for men I [TS]

00:27:50   think you very quickly become for more [TS]

00:27:52   or patchouli you become a nerd too how [TS]

00:27:55   much you actually have on a given it's [TS]

00:27:57   ignorance is it is absolutely endurance [TS]

00:27:59   yeah and that's what happened with her [TS]

00:28:02   so much so that it was like on me but [TS]

00:28:04   also like in my it was just in my every [TS]

00:28:08   it was in every pore and I couldn't [TS]

00:28:11   shake it off it without me and jovan [TS]

00:28:13   musk with one girl in eighth grade and I [TS]

00:28:18   was stupefied by the way this woman [TS]

00:28:20   smelt it was it laid me low [TS]

00:28:24   she had worn a shirt of mine i think at [TS]

00:28:26   one point and still smelled like that [TS]

00:28:28   and like I want to put in like a Donald [TS]

00:28:30   Trump case like I was like I want this [TS]

00:28:32   smell to always be here [TS]

00:28:34   I wanted to put it into a Donald Trump [TS]

00:28:35   case is not a reference that I got oh [TS]

00:28:37   you know like when it comes out to speak [TS]

00:28:39   he's got his props like you have a red [TS]

00:28:41   hat in a Plexiglas case and things like [TS]

00:28:44   that [TS]

00:28:44   I guess I i guess i didn't follow him [TS]

00:28:47   that close it's been really hard few [TS]

00:28:48   months John yeah i get it i know and i [TS]

00:28:50   think we should you know what we should [TS]

00:28:52   give ourselves a phony award for being [TS]

00:28:54   so good about not talking about politics [TS]

00:28:55   on our program [TS]

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00:31:27   Roderick on the line and all the great [TS]

00:31:29   shows so I was at this house opening [TS]

00:31:32   this a little bit house in the open [TS]

00:31:36   house inning and two interesting things [TS]

00:31:38   happened what they were there was a [TS]

00:31:39   partnership of two real estate agents [TS]

00:31:42   and I was trying to decide if they were [TS]

00:31:44   a romantic partnerships who would have [TS]

00:31:47   to always wonder ya doing real estate [TS]

00:31:49   together whether this was just [TS]

00:31:50   completely a partnership but i think a [TS]

00:31:53   lot of those relationships start with a [TS]

00:31:56   professional partnership and pretty soon [TS]

00:31:58   it's a fucking key party that's my guess [TS]

00:32:00   they were working pretty closely [TS]

00:32:01   together one of them was a man my age or [TS]

00:32:06   liberals we are my age or a little older [TS]

00:32:07   who from India em who was very you know [TS]

00:32:13   very like suave and he kept saying [TS]

00:32:16   things like you know one of the one of [TS]

00:32:20   the ways that we conduct our business [TS]

00:32:22   like one of our fundamental tenants of [TS]

00:32:26   our business relationship is that we are [TS]

00:32:28   very low pressure no pressure at all [TS]

00:32:31   so if you'll just sign into this ipad [TS]

00:32:33   app that we have and and you know and [TS]

00:32:37   here's my business card and take also [TS]

00:32:39   here's like my wallet I want you to hold [TS]

00:32:42   it for me for a while yes I'll come find [TS]

00:32:44   you later when i need it and I was like [TS]

00:32:47   hey I'm just walking through here I'm [TS]

00:32:49   not gonna I'm not looking to buy a house [TS]

00:32:50   that's not gonna touch and ipad I'm just [TS]

00:32:53   yeah I'm not good not only am I not [TS]

00:32:56   touching an ipad like i'm not even [TS]

00:32:58   putting my fingerprints on the doorknob [TS]

00:32:59   so just to keep myself you know what my [TS]

00:33:02   daughter and my office I'm not here I'm [TS]

00:33:03   never here I'm not here right now [TS]

00:33:05   that's what I'd say to the Indian man i [TS]

00:33:07   would say with all due respect i would [TS]

00:33:08   say i'm not here [TS]

00:33:09   listen you're not seeing me I'm not here [TS]

00:33:10   I'm not holding your wallet I don't even [TS]

00:33:12   know what's going on I don't know I [TS]

00:33:13   don't know what's happening but I'm [TS]

00:33:14   definitely gonna touch and ipad and I'm [TS]

00:33:16   so not here [TS]

00:33:17   yeah so that's what was happening with [TS]

00:33:18   him the other guy had a sort of the [TS]

00:33:23   other guy the other guy was sort of a [TS]

00:33:26   pale stocky shaved head [TS]

00:33:32   mmm sort of like a job he looked well he [TS]

00:33:38   wasn't like that [TS]

00:33:39   stocky but he was like a fraternity guy [TS]

00:33:41   also not quite my age but you know a [TS]

00:33:45   little bit younger somebody in his late [TS]

00:33:47   thirties early forties booth and so I so [TS]

00:33:51   and not miss the second guy not really [TS]

00:33:54   in possession of any suavity whatsoever [TS]

00:33:57   and I was so i was trying to put them [TS]

00:34:00   together and I know that like opposites [TS]

00:34:03   attract but this was this was very they [TS]

00:34:05   were very far apart on the on the swab [TS]

00:34:09   scale so I'm talking saw the one the one [TS]

00:34:13   guy is is given me the hard sell about [TS]

00:34:16   how he never give somebody the hard sell [TS]

00:34:18   the other guys super nice the the friday [TS]

00:34:22   one super nice super chill and as we're [TS]

00:34:25   leaving their actually walking down this [TS]

00:34:27   the front steps of the house with me [TS]

00:34:29   that I'm trying to shake him off a [TS]

00:34:31   little bit like okay well this was great [TS]

00:34:33   really great to meet you i love the way [TS]

00:34:35   you guys like set up a house and I'm got [TS]

00:34:39   here now I'm not like already down the [TS]

00:34:41   block and they're just kind of coming [TS]

00:34:43   with me [TS]

00:34:43   I don't know how far we're going no no I [TS]

00:34:46   don't know where they're getting in the [TS]

00:34:47   car with me or not and the and the frat [TS]

00:34:49   guy says yeah well ever since I was shot [TS]

00:34:52   in Afghanistan it's always a little bit [TS]

00:34:54   harder for me to get down this [TS]

00:34:55   and I was like so I stopped at that [TS]

00:35:00   point and took about three steps back [TS]

00:35:02   toward him like I wasn't leaving now and [TS]

00:35:06   I was like really know you that didn't [TS]

00:35:08   read as a bit [TS]

00:35:09   oh well I didn't care if you if you I [TS]

00:35:12   mean it doesn't always pulling out the [TS]

00:35:14   Afghanistan car he sure is and but if [TS]

00:35:17   somebody's gonna pull out the shot in [TS]

00:35:19   Afghanistan card [TS]

00:35:20   I'm yeah they're right so i went off in [TS]

00:35:23   that stack sure did I got back up to [TS]

00:35:26   where the touch the toe of my shoe was [TS]

00:35:28   within a shoe length of the toe of his [TS]

00:35:30   shoe [TS]

00:35:31   uh-huh and I said tell me we're not [TS]

00:35:33   getting shot in Afghanistan and he was [TS]

00:35:35   like well it [TS]

00:35:37   yeah it really so we it was a long rehab [TS]

00:35:40   and I said it affected your balance like [TS]

00:35:43   did you get shot in the spine and he [TS]

00:35:46   turns around he said no the bullet went [TS]

00:35:47   in here and he points to behind his ear [TS]

00:35:50   yeah oh god and it came out here any [TS]

00:35:52   points to the other side of his head up [TS]

00:35:56   his temple [TS]

00:35:57   what and I was like I'm what so he's a [TS]

00:36:02   medical anomaly [TS]

00:36:03   yeah how did that how could that not [TS]

00:36:05   just had to put her and I said it so it [TS]

00:36:11   went through your abdominal oh yeah blah [TS]

00:36:14   blah blahblah yeah and he said you know [TS]

00:36:17   just just missed it and I said uh-uh [TS]

00:36:21   what kind of rehab was did you lose [TS]

00:36:23   cognitive ability and he said a little [TS]

00:36:26   bit of memory issues but I had to learn [TS]

00:36:31   to walk again and i'm still a little bit [TS]

00:36:33   you know unstable and he's very you know [TS]

00:36:35   he if if you got a bullet all the way [TS]

00:36:39   through you like that huh yeah i would [TS]

00:36:44   talk about it to you know I would find a [TS]

00:36:46   way to prepare to bring that into [TS]

00:36:47   conversation because that's pretty and [TS]

00:36:50   so and you can see the wounds in his [TS]

00:36:53   head which have healed on God and he's [TS]

00:36:56   like you know and I grew up in this [TS]

00:36:57   neighborhood and I lived three blocks [TS]

00:36:58   away and now i'm selling real estate [TS]

00:36:59   here and it and the you know the indian [TS]

00:37:02   guy is like yep and I'm uh you know I've [TS]

00:37:05   been a real estate agent for 30 years so [TS]

00:37:07   are our expertise really combines and I [TS]

00:37:10   said listen I didn't want to buy a house [TS]

00:37:12   before but now I do [TS]

00:37:13   hmm i want to buy a house from you [TS]

00:37:15   because you seem like a good guy to keep [TS]

00:37:18   around [TS]

00:37:18   yeah like holy cannolis you know and so [TS]

00:37:23   then you know then it's like I might as [TS]

00:37:26   well have been in a cab with him because [TS]

00:37:28   all I wanted to do was stand there and [TS]

00:37:29   talk to him about this experience [TS]

00:37:30   meaning how do you mean that feels when [TS]

00:37:33   he pulls out that story I think he [TS]

00:37:35   thinks it's great because hmm i was so [TS]

00:37:37   close to sign into that ipad if he had [TS]

00:37:40   said listen if you want to keep talking [TS]

00:37:41   to him you gotta sign in the ipad i [TS]

00:37:43   would kind of tough choice to make [TS]

00:37:44   yeah they didn't you know he didn't like [TS]

00:37:47   but but he this was the reason that I [TS]

00:37:49   thought maybe they're in a relationship [TS]

00:37:50   because he was you know he seemed kinda [TS]

00:37:52   proud of his partner proud of the story [TS]

00:37:57   like he hadn't heard it enough times it [TS]

00:37:59   was it wasn't that that's lovely [TS]

00:38:01   yeah every time was new again because [TS]

00:38:04   you don't there's no way you could [TS]

00:38:06   contemplate that enough times like I [TS]

00:38:09   believe by his by his main by his [TS]

00:38:12   general main that that this man was an [TS]

00:38:17   officer in the in what I had to assume [TS]

00:38:22   that was the military and I was so [TS]

00:38:27   focused on his injury that I did not do [TS]

00:38:30   the normal thing which is what branch of [TS]

00:38:33   service where you what rank were you [TS]

00:38:34   what was your job what was your you know [TS]

00:38:36   I didn't get into that because it seemed [TS]

00:38:38   to me he's not stealing valor [TS]

00:38:40   well I knew that I unless this was a [TS]

00:38:43   wound that he received working on the [TS]

00:38:44   railroad and I feel like that's a hard [TS]

00:38:46   one to two just like drum up like you [TS]

00:38:49   sitting in the bar like I was a Navy [TS]

00:38:51   SEAL really yeah actually you with I got [TS]

00:38:55   shot in the back of the head [TS]

00:38:56   yeah show me your challenge coin figure [TS]

00:38:58   but it seemed at that moment it seemed [TS]

00:39:02   even small to ask what branch of the [TS]

00:39:05   service he was in you know like someone [TS]

00:39:07   somebody starts telling a story like [TS]

00:39:08   that you either gotta leave the [TS]

00:39:09   situation if you're going to stay you [TS]

00:39:11   gotta just get out of the way [TS]

00:39:12   sure right because you're not going to [TS]

00:39:14   say it like backtrack and say okay [TS]

00:39:17   alright let's set the scene like where [TS]

00:39:19   did you [TS]

00:39:20   go to college which is normally how if [TS]

00:39:22   somebody jumps into a thing I'm iri hold [TS]

00:39:24   on hold on hold on let me get situated [TS]

00:39:27   yeah there's a couple of things I need [TS]

00:39:28   to know where did you grow up and how [TS]

00:39:30   did you get where [TS]

00:39:31   how did you get to the beginning of the [TS]

00:39:33   story but I didn't care you know this [TS]

00:39:36   was just a thing where the recovery from [TS]

00:39:39   this injury given i knew that i will I [TS]

00:39:42   wasn't gonna spend all day here the [TS]

00:39:45   recovery from the injury was what was [TS]

00:39:46   interesting about this story and how he [TS]

00:39:48   got how you got shot in the back of the [TS]

00:39:50   head seems like it but we'll get to that [TS]

00:39:53   in the course of our friendship as yet [TS]

00:39:56   in your capacity as my new real estate [TS]

00:39:58   agents because i'm buying a house in [TS]

00:40:01   this neighborhood i don't know how i [TS]

00:40:02   don't i don't know how to find the money [TS]

00:40:04   I don't even want to live here [TS]

00:40:05   yeah but I just wanted I want to have [TS]

00:40:08   you over for breakfast so I never I [TS]

00:40:15   didn't find out enough about that story [TS]

00:40:18   that i can see that i can retell it as a [TS]

00:40:21   as a like a like a good thing where [TS]

00:40:25   where I have where I have the whole [TS]

00:40:27   story altogether but I'm gonna I think [TS]

00:40:32   I'm gonna I'm gonna go track him down [TS]

00:40:33   because there's just there's no you're [TS]

00:40:35   gonna go you're gonna give another throw [TS]

00:40:37   like you could take a meeting that feels [TS]

00:40:42   that feels user eous to go because all [TS]

00:40:47   he wants to do is sell a house right i [TS]

00:40:49   mean he and and to go like pretend that [TS]

00:40:52   i want to look at houses just to hear [TS]

00:40:54   this but through the head story [TS]

00:40:56   mmm i actually don't intend to buy a [TS]

00:40:59   house there [TS]

00:41:01   ok but in the course of life who I will [TS]

00:41:06   recognize i will recognize those too if [TS]

00:41:08   I see them I would recognize them each [TS]

00:41:10   individually and if I get into if I get [TS]

00:41:13   into a situation because it because it [TS]

00:41:15   also might be interesting to sequester [TS]

00:41:17   his partner and say so give me a little [TS]

00:41:20   background here at what point did you [TS]

00:41:23   guys meet was he already back up on his [TS]

00:41:25   feet [TS]

00:41:25   did you know it before yeah that's just [TS]

00:41:28   so much to this story but that's that's [TS]

00:41:32   certainly put a complication more [TS]

00:41:34   complications into the I mean it all [TS]

00:41:36   feels very complicated right now [TS]

00:41:38   yeah feels very very exciting your truck [TS]

00:41:41   blew up a truck blew up [TS]

00:41:43   [Music] [TS]

00:41:44   it's a the trucks plural keep blowing up [TS]

00:41:49   plural and the following sentence [TS]

00:41:52   escaped my lips yesterday as my as my [TS]

00:41:58   dear mother about rolled her eyes at me [TS]

00:42:02   for the 10,000 time I said you know what [TS]

00:42:06   I'm just going to sell everything will [TS]

00:42:09   sell everything i'ma buy a subaru oh and [TS]

00:42:14   she lit up she was like great idea I [TS]

00:42:16   think that's a great idea subaru you [TS]

00:42:18   know new Subaru it will never talking to [TS]

00:42:21   break down it's not gonna I'm never [TS]

00:42:24   going to get a call where you suddenly [TS]

00:42:26   need me to something you're just going [TS]

00:42:29   to be not gonna have to sleep in it [TS]

00:42:30   overnight with a child without heat [TS]

00:42:32   that's right this is just behind the [TS]

00:42:34   benefits can be Joe mr. man John mr.man [TS]

00:42:38   normal truck [TS]

00:42:39   normal truck right you're just drive [TS]

00:42:42   around you put a namaste sticker on [TS]

00:42:43   there was this big with the lesbians are [TS]

00:42:46   you wear this I did i do know that you [TS]

00:42:48   heard a whole herd of podcast about this [TS]

00:42:50   is very interesting they realize that [TS]

00:42:51   the lesbians were loving Subarus and [TS]

00:42:54   instead of going [TS]

00:42:54   yeah they were like let's embrace this [TS]

00:42:56   lets the answer but what do I need you [TS]

00:42:58   to put this lesbian in a Subaru you know [TS]

00:42:59   where we are we are now the lesbian car [TS]

00:43:02   but it's also my sense of them when [TS]

00:43:05   Subarus first came on the market in [TS]

00:43:08   Anchorage they were an enormously [TS]

00:43:12   popular car because they were a [TS]

00:43:14   four-wheel-drive it's almost like the [TS]

00:43:17   opposite of an SUV or like people go out [TS]

00:43:19   and buy SUV so they can rep that there's [TS]

00:43:21   somebody with an SUV is the super seem [TS]

00:43:23   like something people because they [TS]

00:43:24   genuinely use the features of its like [TS]

00:43:26   go places in camp and stuff like that [TS]

00:43:28   subaru like a that remember that iconic [TS]

00:43:31   blue color of a Subaru kind of a light [TS]

00:43:34   blue subaru [TS]

00:43:35   the light brute blue subaru like came [TS]

00:43:38   with cross country skis already on it [TS]

00:43:41   are already over [TS]

00:43:43   you know like it was the car in Alaska [TS]

00:43:46   that that you drove if you were if you [TS]

00:43:49   coached a team cross-country ski club [TS]

00:43:52   whereas the volvo was much more the NPR [TS]

00:43:57   car [TS]

00:43:57   yeah and then it was the first kind of [TS]

00:44:00   with heated seats interesting i love [TS]

00:44:03   heated seats fold all the Volvo's were [TS]

00:44:06   always sold to us as like you could [TS]

00:44:10   survive any accident because people in [TS]

00:44:12   Alaska dial the time getting t-boned on [TS]

00:44:15   icy roads and then I had a good friend [TS]

00:44:17   whose mom got just creamed by a massive [TS]

00:44:23   transfusion her [TS]

00:44:24   volvo dl and just got completely just [TS]

00:44:28   straight on tee shot who on a on a major [TS]

00:44:33   thoroughfare where a guy in a in a ford [TS]

00:44:36   bronco didn't even see the light and [TS]

00:44:39   just hit are going 55 miles an hour [TS]

00:44:41   oh my god and she she had to use the [TS]

00:44:44   other door to get out of the car was [TS]

00:44:47   basically the injury that she received [TS]

00:44:49   like it it was a car where it was a [TS]

00:44:51   crook collision where the Bronco was [TS]

00:44:53   wrecked and the vulva was just a twisted [TS]

00:44:56   hunk of metal and she just got over into [TS]

00:44:58   the passenger seat got out and was like [TS]

00:45:00   huh well that wasn't very fun like no [TS]

00:45:03   damage to her at all because the volvo [TS]

00:45:05   was some kind of miracle car Yeah right [TS]

00:45:07   right they named it was wasn't like one [TS]

00:45:10   of the original cars that we thought the [TS]

00:45:12   idea of how you put the boxes together [TS]

00:45:13   and all the right parts of crumpled and [TS]

00:45:15   memory serves I was explained to me as [TS]

00:45:18   if you're using a Volvo head on this is [TS]

00:45:21   not physics but like a lot of the impact [TS]

00:45:23   is distributed in a way that it doesn't [TS]

00:45:25   get it to the extent possible doesn't [TS]

00:45:27   get to where the cabin that you're in [TS]

00:45:28   but also liked it transfers it's like [TS]

00:45:31   just basically make the engine dropout [TS]

00:45:32   like it takes all that is it something [TS]

00:45:34   like that i think what happens is it [TS]

00:45:36   gets trance that gets transferred into [TS]

00:45:39   solar energy that you know what that's [TS]

00:45:42   that'sthat's good it's clean its [TS]

00:45:44   renewable take away and then it gets [TS]

00:45:46   transferred through some kind of volvo [TS]

00:45:48   proprietor [TS]

00:45:48   process into a hydroponic farm and put [TS]

00:45:51   some drm probably yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:45:53   absolutely right so but the subaru is [TS]

00:45:58   now the National Car of Seattle which is [TS]

00:46:01   increasingly becoming its own nation and [TS]

00:46:04   so everywhere you go there's a Subaru [TS]

00:46:07   that either and they all have bumper [TS]

00:46:09   stickers and most common ones are [TS]

00:46:11   coexist with each letter represented by [TS]

00:46:15   the symbol of a different religion so [TS]

00:46:17   high so many problems with that from [TS]

00:46:19   graphic design standpoint coexist very [TS]

00:46:21   troubling to me totally unreadable [TS]

00:46:23   unless you've looked at a thousand of [TS]

00:46:25   them which everyone of us has coexist [TS]

00:46:27   and also coexist i think has some [TS]

00:46:29   association with Bono [TS]

00:46:31   oh isn't that Miss even worse yeah so [TS]

00:46:34   that every time I see that bumper [TS]

00:46:35   sticker also somehow now bono is in my [TS]

00:46:38   head a little bit it's just sort of [TS]

00:46:39   rebel song he's just peeking around the [TS]

00:46:42   corner down the hall like this i'm also [TS]

00:46:44   here the glasses yellow don't mean to [TS]

00:46:49   book your mr. I and then the other one [TS]

00:46:54   that goes on every subaru everyone that [TS]

00:46:56   doesn't have to co-exist has a wag more [TS]

00:46:58   bark less no realize world plants were [TS]

00:47:02   visualized or cheese and then there's [TS]

00:47:06   one and he just here in the northwest [TS]

00:47:07   visualized tacoma which is which dates [TS]

00:47:10   back to that era where it was like wha [TS]

00:47:12   wackadoodle and that's gone right from [TS]

00:47:17   the culture mostly that kind of [TS]

00:47:18   wackadoodle is gone [TS]

00:47:20   yeah wouldn't you say there's nobody [TS]

00:47:21   putting out like visualize to come up or [TS]

00:47:23   stickers weird [TS]

00:47:25   yeah we squeeze two we used to have more [TS]

00:47:27   joy does anybody remember laughter it [TS]

00:47:30   I don't know did you know I don't know [TS]

00:47:33   if we've talked about this but yet [TS]

00:47:35   somebody asked somebody asked Robert [TS]

00:47:38   Plant in an interview Germany regrets in [TS]

00:47:40   all the years you know you've done a lot [TS]

00:47:43   of crazy things i'm sure you've been in [TS]

00:47:45   a jet airplane with a bunch of people [TS]

00:47:47   that all died and you were the only one [TS]

00:47:50   to walk off i mean like like any regrets [TS]

00:47:52   and he was like he said the one thing I [TS]

00:47:54   regret is that does anybody remember [TS]

00:47:57   laughs are you kidding no and i was like [TS]

00:47:59   he [TS]

00:48:00   i would that would be what I regretted [TS]

00:48:01   to you i know i know just one like at [TS]

00:48:05   one thing you just kind of say out of [TS]

00:48:07   nowhere and like that's your that's your [TS]

00:48:08   thing now that's your thing right and I [TS]

00:48:10   and you have to imagine that when they [TS]

00:48:12   were mixing that and when they were [TS]

00:48:14   putting that out [TS]

00:48:15   they said to him you know hey you want [TS]

00:48:19   to come by and check out the mix and [TS]

00:48:20   just make sure that it all sounds good [TS]

00:48:22   and he probably did that thing that I [TS]

00:48:24   often do which is like I'm sure it [TS]

00:48:26   sounds fine yeah and we find and then it [TS]

00:48:29   came out and and I subsequent to that [TS]

00:48:32   for 35 years people have been walking [TS]

00:48:34   out really good left my god [TS]

00:48:39   and yeah that's the one thing Robert [TS]

00:48:41   Plant regrets it's the one thing he [TS]

00:48:42   could think up [TS]

00:48:43   yeah you know I got feelings about [TS]

00:48:45   robert plant is very sad what happened [TS]

00:48:47   with his son and you think about that i [TS]

00:48:49   know i really i genuinely feel sorry for [TS]

00:48:51   Robert Plant and didn't see that coming [TS]

00:48:52   this morning [TS]

00:48:53   mhm so you're looking at Subarus you're [TS]

00:48:56   looking at land [TS]

00:48:57   no I I definitely do not I on one hand I [TS]

00:49:01   feel like a Subaru is an unimpeachable [TS]

00:49:05   decision like if I went and bought a [TS]

00:49:09   Subaru it would be the kind of indignity [TS]

00:49:12   that I could like what would happen is i [TS]

00:49:17   would fall in everyone's esteem a little [TS]

00:49:22   really I if you can picture this picture [TS]

00:49:26   this scenario i come on our podcast and [TS]

00:49:30   you say i was going today and i go i was [TS]

00:49:31   pretty good i just bought a Subaru now [TS]

00:49:35   think about that tweet something again [TS]

00:49:37   there's gonna be a lot of Subaru owners [TS]

00:49:39   that tweet me positively like welcome [TS]

00:49:41   have you checked out the subaru have you [TS]

00:49:44   read your owner's manual yet I see but [TS]

00:49:47   they're going to be a little respect [TS]

00:49:48   today expect to be in the subaru [TS]

00:49:49   community you thinking about or at least [TS]

00:49:52   I'd be welcome there but there i think [TS]

00:49:54   are a lot of listeners to our program [TS]

00:49:56   that imagine that my next car will be [TS]

00:49:59   some kind of anti tank vehicle it stands [TS]

00:50:02   to reason you know my next car will be a [TS]

00:50:04   three-man submarine you get a deep [TS]

00:50:08   decommission how much are slimmer [TS]

00:50:10   submarine ya there [TS]

00:50:12   and put a massage chair in a nice and so [TS]

00:50:16   to to reveal myself to be a like a real [TS]

00:50:20   human being who's like a super was the [TS]

00:50:23   best value or like our it seems you know [TS]

00:50:26   I've got a kid and it seems like exactly [TS]

00:50:27   find out the wizard of oz eating Arby's [TS]

00:50:29   yeah precisely why would I can't because [TS]

00:50:33   it's not just people listen to our [TS]

00:50:34   program like I've gotta wraps around [TS]

00:50:37   this town [TS]

00:50:38   yeah i'll start your brand John it [TS]

00:50:40   absolutely is not show up and Superbad [TS]

00:50:42   something that people will be like did [TS]

00:50:44   you did you like steel that recently and [TS]

00:50:46   I'm like now I bought it and it was just [TS]

00:50:48   no one would know what's stopping my [TS]

00:50:51   friend no one would think that I was any [TS]

00:50:54   less [TS]

00:50:55   oh but i would fall just that three [TS]

00:50:59   percent in their steam [TS]

00:51:00   yeah thats 3% could be a lot of percent [TS]

00:51:02   it can and so so as soon as my mom [TS]

00:51:05   walked away I was like heck no i'm [TS]

00:51:07   buying an experimental helicopter and [TS]

00:51:10   she turned around and was like what did [TS]

00:51:11   you say I was like nothing subaru [TS]

00:51:14   probably but maybe i'll get one of those [TS]

00:51:17   super is with a big like with what [TS]

00:51:20   appears to be like a blower on the front [TS]

00:51:23   I know it's not a blower but it's some [TS]

00:51:24   kind of turbo-charged juror it's like a [TS]

00:51:28   piper charger they have a lot there are [TS]

00:51:31   super is with a lot of works on them [TS]

00:51:32   because they're used in rally drifting [TS]

00:51:36   drift rallies but I feel like that's [TS]

00:51:41   just that sort of that's that bolt on [TS]

00:51:43   accessorizing that again i could i I [TS]

00:51:46   just I can't I can't quite stand up with [TS]

00:51:50   pride with a Subaru patch on my jacket [TS]

00:51:52   and say like yeah I bolted onto make [TS]

00:51:55   sure [TS]

00:51:56   well I don't think you're as houses [TS]

00:51:59   check your text i sent you something on [TS]

00:52:00   I I don't think you are a watcher of the [TS]

00:52:04   TV show Project Runway but I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:06   tell you something I learned from [TS]

00:52:06   project runway which is there's a weekly [TS]

00:52:09   challenge [TS]

00:52:10   ok and you to really listen to what the [TS]

00:52:11   spirit of the challenges because here's [TS]

00:52:13   what they don't want you to do no matter [TS]

00:52:14   what the challenge is what they don't [TS]

00:52:16   want you to do is take some Muslim make [TS]

00:52:18   a basic tank dress and then put a bunch [TS]

00:52:20   of shit on it [TS]

00:52:21   don't fucking make a basic tank dress [TS]

00:52:23   out of Muslim [TS]

00:52:24   and what is a Muslim I met Muslim and [TS]

00:52:27   then dress it up with a bunch of God [TS]

00:52:30   don't ya don't don't sparkle tron it [TS]

00:52:32   don't don't what size whether it be [TS]

00:52:34   Julie like you know you have to go your [TS]

00:52:36   design is the design like make a thing [TS]

00:52:40   don't make a thing and then just put a [TS]

00:52:41   bunch of fucking candy on it like that's [TS]

00:52:42   not it that's not a design and I I feel [TS]

00:52:44   like there's something similar going on [TS]

00:52:45   here [TS]

00:52:46   John is not going to be a guy that goes [TS]

00:52:47   and buys a stock subaru and then put [TS]

00:52:50   bedazzle zit no war is not the answer [TS]

00:52:52   piece also takes courage company [TS]

00:52:55   elizabeth warren wing of the Democratic [TS]

00:52:56   Party so what I'm saying it's time to [TS]

00:52:58   use our outside voices it really is [TS]

00:53:01   little behavior women seldom make [TS]

00:53:02   history [TS]

00:53:03   they sure do they sure don't see you [TS]

00:53:06   know everybody's John wild women don't [TS]

00:53:11   get the Blues Merlin that's right i'm [TS]

00:53:14   known a lot of wild women and I've known [TS]

00:53:15   a lot of women with the blues and the [TS]

00:53:17   those band diagrams do not overlap me [TS]

00:53:22   you show me and in my blues and she will [TS]

00:53:24   not be wild and conversely when I mean a [TS]

00:53:26   wild women I know she does not have the [TS]

00:53:28   Blues snapping three times like and in [TS]

00:53:30   my dating life it was always one from [TS]

00:53:33   column a than one from column B so the [TS]

00:53:35   photo i sent you of this car that is [TS]

00:53:37   frequently near our house parking this [TS]

00:53:38   handicap space now this is a photo that [TS]

00:53:40   you took this isn't a thing from the [TS]

00:53:42   internet knows about my house and now [TS]

00:53:45   the first of all see ivory mixed [TS]

00:53:46   feelings about this because first of all [TS]

00:53:48   this person is there a lot [TS]

00:53:51   is that a playstation oh the person is [TS]

00:53:54   this car is there a lot and it always [TS]

00:53:56   makes me laugh every time I walk by [TS]

00:53:57   discovered in that way that only hippies [TS]

00:54:00   with no taste can do has slapped bumper [TS]

00:54:02   stickers on to the painted part of this [TS]

00:54:04   car and on top of one another [TS]

00:54:06   oh and its really it's I i realized it's [TS]

00:54:08   supposed to be maybe a little bit what [TS]

00:54:10   situation is punk rock to do it this way [TS]

00:54:13   but they did mostly bother to try and [TS]

00:54:16   get them horizontally aligned right it [TS]

00:54:18   isn't it doesn't totally crazy is my [TS]

00:54:20   cover your laptop with band stickers in [TS]

00:54:22   like a haphazard way like this [TS]

00:54:23   it started out with a little bit of like [TS]

00:54:25   and also notice for example ok so i [TS]

00:54:28   won't get one thing out of the way they [TS]

00:54:29   are parked in a handicapped space we do [TS]

00:54:31   have do you have [TS]

00:54:33   hang tag but i also want to stipulate [TS]

00:54:35   for the record that San Francisco has a [TS]

00:54:37   read on carelessly high rate of abuse a [TS]

00:54:40   king because guess what you get to do [TS]

00:54:42   when you get a hang tag you don't have [TS]

00:54:44   to pay parking meters [TS]

00:54:45   yeah she's gonna walk down terrible [TS]

00:54:46   street buddy we're doing [TS]

00:54:48   thank you all it's just solid solid [TS]

00:54:51   anything it's just it anyway out about [TS]

00:54:53   finding articles and you but there's two [TS]

00:54:55   things you thinking ahead and hang tag [TS]

00:54:57   because they also had a like a fake [TS]

00:54:58   comfort horse thing i don't know i don't [TS]

00:55:02   know you know I'm coming around on that [TS]

00:55:03   but I also want to point out some of [TS]

00:55:05   these they have bubbles like where they [TS]

00:55:06   didn't really put much care into putting [TS]

00:55:08   it on here [TS]

00:55:09   corporations are not people corporations [TS]

00:55:11   are not for money out Bernie in boerne [TS]

00:55:13   but also look at that back fender buddy [TS]

00:55:15   save our be like don't just look at the [TS]

00:55:19   design of the stickers [TS]

00:55:20   notice how many dents and dings and [TS]

00:55:23   scuffs this person is hitting a lot of [TS]

00:55:24   cars [TS]

00:55:25   oh they are you saying it's a it's a [TS]

00:55:27   hybrid car [TS]

00:55:28   yeah but it's so it doesn't [TS]

00:55:30   fundamentally sound way but you know the [TS]

00:55:32   specific it's not like a civic hybrid [TS]

00:55:34   yeah yeah yeahs lotus-like on that top [TS]

00:55:36   level like across the word advocate you [TS]

00:55:39   see how torn up that sticker is that's [TS]

00:55:40   because they just keep hitting things [TS]

00:55:43   yeah we are citizens united my love the [TS]

00:55:46   little yellow one which seems very new [TS]

00:55:48   which is a system in broken it's fixed [TS]

00:55:50   it's fixed true what is that strong will [TS]

00:55:54   get money skimming money out of politics [TS]

00:55:56   where / strong sharps money out wrong [TS]

00:55:59   Stanley out of some not money climate [TS]

00:56:02   voter my voice my values my vote but the [TS]

00:56:05   the system isn't broken thing which is [TS]

00:56:06   new is slapped over the top of the save [TS]

00:56:09   the Arctic auntie shell and the the [TS]

00:56:12   shits himself on top of save our bees [TS]

00:56:15   yes but the shell symbol is half shell [TS]

00:56:18   oil simple with the devil horn half [TS]

00:56:21   polar bear face have cartoon polar [TS]

00:56:23   that's this so much confused messaging [TS]

00:56:25   on here and then when you your when you [TS]

00:56:27   zoom in that far to look at that then [TS]

00:56:29   you see how damaged that bumper is low [TS]

00:56:31   its super damage to bumper is trashed [TS]

00:56:34   this person this president is here is [TS]

00:56:36   like they had one [TS]

00:56:37   oopsie while they were like parallel [TS]

00:56:39   parking no this is a serial car header [TS]

00:56:41   and they seem like an awful person was [TS]

00:56:44   not [TS]

00:56:44   the tag was expired wasn't really well [TS]

00:56:47   they don't let me that because they have [TS]

00:56:48   a handicap know they're handy can handle [TS]

00:56:52   yeah I feel like those are the people [TS]

00:56:54   that yell at me on the internet a lot [TS]

00:56:56   and there are people that are ostensibly [TS]

00:56:58   I share this like the tabs people who [TS]

00:57:01   have like really a very bad bumper [TS]

00:57:04   sticker aesthetic ow ok so I'm really [TS]

00:57:07   glad you went in that direction thank [TS]

00:57:08   you [TS]

00:57:09   yes I totally agree i told this is [TS]

00:57:11   aesthetically uh and you know if this [TS]

00:57:15   was on the back of like a minibus I [TS]

00:57:17   don't want I don't want to sound I don't [TS]

00:57:19   want to be [TS]

00:57:20   that's racist against box where anything [TS]

00:57:22   is but but you know on this particular [TS]

00:57:25   like late model and Little John I mean [TS]

00:57:28   how old is this car naming 34 years old [TS]

00:57:30   mm-hmm look at this it's a new car new [TS]

00:57:33   ish car and they just been banging the [TS]

00:57:35   shit out of other cars missing on that [TS]

00:57:36   left side and think it's actually just [TS]

00:57:38   as I'm not gonna put the socks and shame [TS]

00:57:39   this person but the but there are the [TS]

00:57:43   defender is published under the [TS]

00:57:44   bumper-to-bumper is stuffed everywhere [TS]

00:57:47   it is broken in parts and they shredded [TS]

00:57:49   their own stickers from hitting things [TS]

00:57:51   so often discarded it's car maybe the [TS]

00:57:53   left thank you ever city [TS]

00:57:55   it reminds me exactly of my old guitar [TS]

00:57:58   case which I you know I constantly [TS]

00:58:02   slapped other band stickers and stuff [TS]

00:58:04   you know you're out there in the world [TS]

00:58:05   and you play with the band and here's [TS]

00:58:07   our sticker and slap it on your guitar [TS]

00:58:08   case and it's the lives you do it right [TS]

00:58:10   in front of them so you're like yeah [TS]

00:58:11   love playing the show with you and then [TS]

00:58:14   you you put your fiber sticker on your [TS]

00:58:16   on your guitar [TS]

00:58:17   yep but the way that the sticker or the [TS]

00:58:19   way the guitars fit into the van [TS]

00:58:21   required that Eric course and our chief [TS]

00:58:25   he was he was gifted that wasn't yeah he [TS]

00:58:28   was chief jigsaw operator he always my [TS]

00:58:31   guitar was always the last thing to go [TS]

00:58:33   in the in the truck and and as a [TS]

00:58:35   consequence it got crammed in to a space [TS]

00:58:42   that was just slightly too small for it [TS]

00:58:44   and so the stickers on my guitar case [TS]

00:58:48   were both compressed into the case and [TS]

00:58:51   also like ground kind of shredded and as [TS]

00:58:57   time went on i just put more stickers on [TS]

00:58:58   top of the shredded stickers and it's [TS]

00:59:01   just it's it's just chaos looking and it [TS]

00:59:05   looks kinda like the back bumper of that [TS]

00:59:06   garbage car this year rickenbacker yeah [TS]

00:59:10   the rickenbacker and boy loved that [TS]

00:59:12   guitar [TS]

00:59:12   yeah yeah but i still get such a feeling [TS]

00:59:16   when I see a Rickenbacker it gives you [TS]

00:59:20   that rickenbacker feeling I have when I [TS]

00:59:22   told you this i want to sell it for rent [TS]

00:59:24   yeah that's a 12-string oh so what you [TS]

00:59:27   don't want to have to sell things for [TS]

00:59:28   red but college man that's what you do [TS]

00:59:30   it's a tablet everything it's [TS]

00:59:31   complicated to be or not it's not you're [TS]

00:59:33   not always able to go back to Center [TS]

00:59:34   call sometimes you have to play feet say [TS]

00:59:38   so on my guitar don't go back to [TS]

00:59:39   Rockville so wasted another year [TS]

00:59:43   no no pero now [TS]

00:59:48   well that was a great you know if you [TS]

00:59:50   need a campfire song buddy looking for [TS]

00:59:52   spaghetti party in Romania campfire [TS]

00:59:55   spaghetti party that's going to pull out [TS]

00:59:56   and go back to Rockville I [TS]

00:59:56   and go back to Rockville I [TS]

01:00:00   so Peter bucket here but famously said [TS]

01:00:05   you know every time I play and I I don't [TS]

01:00:07   remember what he said this in an [TS]

01:00:08   interview or whether he's I think he [TS]

01:00:10   actually said this to me [TS]

01:00:12   yeah he's always saying things to me I [TS]

01:00:14   well you know we were somewhere and I [TS]

01:00:16   said peter is very literal a person LOL [TS]

01:00:23   yeah he's interested in in my experience [TS]

01:00:27   oh I I know a few people in rem yes [TS]

01:00:32   let's say everybody except for a single [TS]

01:00:37   no I have but know him well enough that [TS]

01:00:40   that I mean he doesn't walk up and say [TS]

01:00:44   John but you know he has he has said [TS]

01:00:48   John to me and say he has no your name [TS]

01:00:51   at some point yes that's nice [TS]

01:00:53   the only one of everyone in the band [TS]

01:00:57   that was an original member and even [TS]

01:00:59   some of the later members that is at all [TS]

01:01:03   what you would call figure to his mills [TS]

01:01:09   connecting those little cat no kin is [TS]

01:01:13   extremely figured but he's a late [TS]

01:01:15   addition I guess I take your point and [TS]

01:01:17   he's not in the band anymore so I [TS]

01:01:18   saucony kind of in rem at some point [TS]

01:01:20   he's he's been are inferred years and he [TS]

01:01:23   is still in the band and Scott is scott [TS]

01:01:26   is also figurative but like Michael and [TS]

01:01:33   and Peter both seem very pretty literal [TS]

01:01:36   even given this very surprising to me [TS]

01:01:39   even given stripes like I think one of [TS]

01:01:42   the one of the things about his original [TS]

01:01:45   lyrics was that they were so figurative [TS]

01:01:47   as to be meaningless and as he got as [TS]

01:01:51   his lyrics got more and more mixed [TS]

01:01:53   forward and he felt more empowered to [TS]

01:01:55   make them make sense [TS]

01:01:56   we saw that they that the litter ality [TS]

01:01:59   of them was a little bit of a problem [TS]

01:02:02   right like I needed to to my leg off the [TS]

01:02:06   type of type of lyrics [TS]

01:02:08   mm-hmm notice not as much but anyway [TS]

01:02:13   peter said but now i'm picking he [TS]

01:02:17   absolutely said he literally had his [TS]

01:02:20   finances Orange Crush well i mean that's [TS]

01:02:23   that's the question [TS]

01:02:25   he's got my eyes that I've got my spine [TS]

01:02:28   I've got my orange crush [TS]

01:02:29   I don't think he says I got my spine in [TS]

01:02:31   my orange crush [TS]

01:02:32   ok and i think he does have his spawn [TS]

01:02:35   and he does have his orange crush [TS]

01:02:38   ok this is the thing right you can like [TS]

01:02:40   Oh does that mean something [TS]

01:02:41   maybe or maybe he's just saying some [TS]

01:02:43   things that he has you cigarette out [TS]

01:02:46   yeah but Peter said every 44 years and [TS]

01:02:50   years and and still to this day there is [TS]

01:02:52   always a group of dudes standing right [TS]

01:02:56   in front of me watching me play guitar [TS]

01:02:58   trying to figure out the secret and he [TS]

01:03:02   said here's the secret d g e-- see em [TS]

01:03:07   yeah and he's like I every time I get on [TS]

01:03:10   stage I'm like sorry group of dudes who [TS]

01:03:14   think that there's a secret it's just [TS]

01:03:16   these chords played into a guitar that's [TS]

01:03:18   plug straight into the amp and maybe [TS]

01:03:21   there's a tube screamer and it's true [TS]

01:03:24   right when you really watch what he does [TS]

01:03:26   I mean he's got that fast pickin and is [TS]

01:03:29   an arpeggiator he's an arpeggiator but [TS]

01:03:31   that's all it is that the whole trick [TS]

01:03:33   arpeggiation epochs like Pixar i think [TS]

01:03:38   one of the ways I'm are a lot of a pixar [TS]

01:03:40   one of the things that i love about [TS]

01:03:42   pixar is that in addition to having kind [TS]

01:03:45   of the most baller technology and in any [TS]

01:03:47   given time with animation they're also [TS]

01:03:49   canny about always as a truism that I'm [TS]

01:03:52   not creating this is just a truism that [TS]

01:03:54   was really good at saying well we can't [TS]

01:03:56   really make people look anything but [TS]

01:03:58   creepy so let's make toys like we can do [TS]

01:04:00   the surfaces of toys and all the way [TS]

01:04:02   like you know we can do hair and water [TS]

01:04:04   now there's all these things were like [TS]

01:04:05   at the stories change as they were able [TS]

01:04:07   to do more things and you even though [TS]

01:04:09   you didn't watch the movie oh I get it [TS]

01:04:11   now they can do hair to the monsters inc [TS]

01:04:13   and I feel a little bit about people [TS]

01:04:15   where he's he's very forthcoming about [TS]

01:04:17   saying hey I i barely i was working at a [TS]

01:04:19   record store like I [TS]

01:04:20   barely knew how to play anything on a [TS]

01:04:22   guitar in the early days [TS]

01:04:24   yeah and I always liked the fact that [TS]

01:04:25   like he kind of went with his strength [TS]

01:04:27   and one thing he got pretty good at was [TS]

01:04:30   having a pretty good rhythm and and your [TS]

01:04:33   pickiness for playing like open chords [TS]

01:04:35   many made it work and then be sure to a [TS]

01:04:37   little bit of piano you get a camera out [TS]

01:04:38   of that like it's not Liberace but [TS]

01:04:41   cameras pretty fucking great song and he [TS]

01:04:43   liked you didn't pick up the mandolin [TS]

01:04:44   and all of a sudden it's a best sonic [TS]

01:04:46   boom yeah I don't know III mini Mitchie [TS]

01:04:50   sir said because I played a show with me [TS]

01:04:52   she's really yeah 11 time I Mitch easter [TS]

01:04:58   and his band which included his wife [TS]

01:05:00   let's act let's active played she's not [TS]

01:05:03   open for REM oh you did back in the day [TS]

01:05:06   yep let's active opened for ken [TS]

01:05:11   stringfellow on the tour that he and I [TS]

01:05:14   did together in and this was the same [TS]

01:05:19   tour where you and I met [TS]

01:05:20   yep oakland let's active opened for us [TS]

01:05:23   in some kind of Georgia town somewhere [TS]

01:05:28   the larger Georgia old wall then they [TS]

01:05:32   came out and and you know ken loved to [TS]

01:05:37   introduce me to those you know two [TS]

01:05:39   people like that [TS]

01:05:41   yeah and so we're all sitting around in [TS]

01:05:43   and mr. said REM was the only band i [TS]

01:05:47   ever worked with where every single [TS]

01:05:50   person in the band when they were [TS]

01:05:51   listening to the mixes asked if I could [TS]

01:05:53   turn their part down that's that's [TS]

01:05:55   amazing [TS]

01:05:56   isn't that something yeah that makes me [TS]

01:05:58   so happy to hear each one of them was [TS]

01:06:00   like could you put me which makes me in [TS]

01:06:02   a little bit and he's like that is just [TS]

01:06:04   not as he said I was like that's not our [TS]

01:06:06   people are still very gets his props [TS]

01:06:08   because I think he's astonishing I throw [TS]

01:06:11   props at him all the time because [TS]

01:06:12   because all you have to know is he left [TS]

01:06:15   the band and then the records working [TS]

01:06:18   anymore [TS]

01:06:18   those first few albums man like he's [TS]

01:06:21   coming up with such that mean is I'm [TS]

01:06:24   sorry we're talking about RM again but [TS]

01:06:25   like those three musicians have such [TS]

01:06:28   different styles but you kinda can't [TS]

01:06:31   imagine [TS]

01:06:31   there's no other way there's no like [TS]

01:06:34   chaos theory that would ever arrive at [TS]

01:06:36   the chaos theory of REM because it's so [TS]

01:06:38   crazy like the beats the bilberry comes [TS]

01:06:40   up with are so weird and when you watch [TS]

01:06:42   and play them they don't sound you don't [TS]

01:06:44   hear them go that's strange [TS]

01:06:46   you don't think like oh my god Mike [TS]

01:06:47   Mills is based on this is really really [TS]

01:06:49   odd i think that his bass parts are [TS]

01:06:52   weird i love them i love them from me [TS]

01:06:55   too me too i mean looking out for me you [TS]

01:06:57   know me on the first the the first three [TS]

01:06:59   records are my go-to but like you know [TS]

01:07:01   i'm especially on a say on reckoning [TS]

01:07:03   like some of that stuff is bananas [TS]

01:07:05   mhm i am you know where we're such big [TS]

01:07:10   fans and you know I talk about them in [TS]

01:07:12   ways that I'm never sure if if if they [TS]

01:07:18   happen to tune into one of these [TS]

01:07:20   podcasts which I'm not saying they don't [TS]

01:07:22   yeah they want whether they would be [TS]

01:07:25   whether they would say like mm I don't [TS]

01:07:27   like the way he's talking about us but I [TS]

01:07:30   I couldn't love them more but it's just [TS]

01:07:33   you know when you get to when you get [TS]

01:07:35   close to get you get proximate because I [TS]

01:07:38   would never say i was close but I'm [TS]

01:07:41   proximate to them [TS]

01:07:42   yeah well you and your in where people [TS]

01:07:44   would compare the long winters two other [TS]

01:07:46   bands much to mine I think your [TS]

01:07:48   frustration REM was a frequent [TS]

01:07:50   comparison although I never heard it [TS]

01:07:52   uh I never heard it but I you know [TS]

01:07:54   anybody that compared us to REM I was [TS]

01:07:56   like thank you that's so much better [TS]

01:07:58   than being compared to the guy that did [TS]

01:08:02   pastor jones comparison Oh for a little [TS]

01:08:06   while some record some one person made a [TS]

01:08:10   review in the salt lake city services [TS]

01:08:13   never read any of like if we need was to [TS]

01:08:15   cover van morrison still down the [TS]

01:08:19   westing like this but he hit man what is [TS]

01:08:23   that man called it's a doctor [TS]

01:08:24   funkenstein or whatever what what are [TS]

01:08:26   they called those and the phone starters [TS]

01:08:28   mr. mr. Jones mr. Jones that's I know [TS]

01:08:31   this is a counting crows mm no no [TS]

01:08:36   ok and it's not Jim blossoms that was [TS]

01:08:39   magic lessons is a counting crows it [TS]

01:08:41   might be counting the county cross does [TS]

01:08:43   a song that I like this diet is governed [TS]

01:08:45   counting crows song that I like no it [TS]

01:08:48   was years after came out I heard on the [TS]

01:08:50   radio I was like what the fuck is this [TS]

01:08:52   and it was believable [TS]

01:08:53   it was really good yeah it is counting [TS]

01:08:56   crows county boroughs and I think [TS]

01:08:58   counting crows houses on who is not [TS]

01:08:59   hitting the Blowfish that's a different [TS]

01:09:01   band counting crows have some very [TS]

01:09:03   redeeming features i am think I think [TS]

01:09:06   that they are imaginative than I think [TS]

01:09:09   that they have good song good songs [TS]

01:09:12   angels angels of the silences is that a [TS]

01:09:16   song that you have ever heard [TS]

01:09:17   angel of the morning angels angels [TS]

01:09:20   angels of the silences i know i don't [TS]

01:09:24   mean if I heard it I might know it 1996 [TS]

01:09:27   know is that the year that that year is [TS]

01:09:29   that the one that existed or didn't [TS]

01:09:30   exist [TS]

01:09:31   no that's the one right before the one [TS]

01:09:32   that didn't exist and what exactly six [TS]

01:09:34   was pretty seriously it count on the [TS]

01:09:36   bubble almost not existing at 96 I think [TS]

01:09:39   I mean some stuff happened but it is not [TS]

01:09:41   quite as like null as 97 but now when do [TS]

01:09:44   you get when you get the the the color [TS]

01:09:48   and the shape that's an ear that didn't [TS]

01:09:49   exist right color in the shade that's a [TS]

01:09:51   good album it's pretty existed [TS]

01:09:54   yeah that's a job with the other night I [TS]

01:09:55   don't know why this happened [TS]

01:09:57   ok I went down an Internet rabbit hole [TS]

01:09:59   as you do and I came out I came out all [TS]

01:10:02   the way across my lawn [TS]

01:10:05   I went down like a rabbit hole that was [TS]

01:10:07   next to my fireplace and all of a sudden [TS]

01:10:08   inexplicable amount of my lawn and it's [TS]

01:10:10   not clear how I got there [TS]

01:10:11   you got him uncle but where I was was in [TS]

01:10:15   in joy division [TS]

01:10:18   mm and then of course as you do when you [TS]

01:10:21   when you're enjoy Division I know he's [TS]

01:10:23   already know this rabbit hole [TS]

01:10:24   yeah you end up in new order yep and [TS]

01:10:27   then I want a certain point you stop and [TS]

01:10:30   then I watched every new order video [TS]

01:10:32   don't-don't-don't couldn't and didn't [TS]

01:10:35   gotta love yours [TS]

01:10:38   new order has always been a very [TS]

01:10:40   complicated listen for me some one [TS]

01:10:43   because the singing is bad it's just [TS]

01:10:49   it's just an arguably battle thin it's [TS]

01:10:51   not into which is a thing that is fine [TS]

01:10:55   in the context of an order because it [TS]

01:10:57   works somehow you know what I mean like [TS]

01:10:59   you go [TS]

01:11:00   yeah that wasn't in tune but it's so new [TS]

01:11:02   order that it doesn't matter you kind of [TS]

01:11:05   went with that kind of a mopey vocal it [TS]

01:11:08   kind of works that kind of works it's [TS]

01:11:09   like oh yeah he doesn't need to be in [TS]

01:11:11   tune I mean Morsi only uses three notes [TS]

01:11:13   but it was never like that say you [TS]

01:11:15   always think the third always think the [TS]

01:11:17   third yeah [TS]

01:11:18   who is that was at chads just check ins [TS]

01:11:21   check the country gentleman we call it [TS]

01:11:24   yeah that's right morsi's the only [TS]

01:11:25   everything is the third time we were all [TS]

01:11:28   sitting around in Bakersfield but ladies [TS]

01:11:31   and gentlemen mr. buck owens I 10 total [TS]

01:11:39   now you're gonna buck owens whole you [TS]

01:11:41   ever get into that you ever go down the [TS]

01:11:43   buckaroos i watch so we have this kind [TS]

01:11:46   of song is repeating fucking [TS]

01:11:48   conversations from years ago yet you [TS]

01:11:50   must have gone down the Don rabbit hole [TS]

01:11:52   example here yeah [TS]

01:11:53   holy shit that guy what what you know [TS]

01:11:55   you know buckle and his heart was broken [TS]

01:11:57   for years after yeah after he died i'll [TS]

01:11:59   tell you what [TS]

01:12:00   so was mine mhm i have ever gone to have [TS]

01:12:03   you ever gone down a Barrett Martin [TS]

01:12:05   rabbit hole Carol Barrett Martin ram so [TS]

01:12:07   barren Martin is actually i'm gonna i'm [TS]

01:12:09   gonna go i'm gonna step way out and I [TS]

01:12:11   know that people sometimes roll their [TS]

01:12:12   eyes and just like my mom does at the at [TS]

01:12:16   the sort of celebrities like not [TS]

01:12:19   celebrity but like grunge rock era [TS]

01:12:21   celebrity name dropping that I sometimes [TS]

01:12:23   doing this program [TS]

01:12:24   yeah but bear Martin I'm gonna jump all [TS]

01:12:27   the way out there and say he's actually [TS]

01:12:28   a friend of mine he's not somebody that [TS]

01:12:30   I'm Erin Martin eric martin and very [TS]

01:12:33   Martin has played in the following band [TS]

01:12:34   is otherwise known as green Barrett [TS]

01:12:36   creating barret barret barret Martin [TS]

01:12:40   parent Martin was screaming trees [TS]

01:12:43   Oh in this screen i made in our I [TS]

01:12:46   already know them very well looking at [TS]

01:12:47   me to have some time he was in Queens of [TS]

01:12:49   the Stone Edge oh no [TS]

01:12:50   I like that band he was the drummer mad [TS]

01:12:52   season he was in skin yours is the girl [TS]

01:12:56   drummer in that band [TS]

01:12:57   no no but he so he's a guy that is such [TS]

01:13:00   a good drummer that every one of these [TS]

01:13:02   bands at a certain point I mean he you [TS]

01:13:04   know like every one of these bands at a [TS]

01:13:08   certain point was like we need a good [TS]

01:13:10   drummer let's get not not like to but [TS]

01:13:14   sometimes he's just playing like the [TS]

01:13:15   other getting that Chamberlain you get a [TS]

01:13:17   bear Martin and he's like he was the he [TS]

01:13:20   was the drummer of Mad Season times and [TS]

01:13:25   he was in skin yard but you know Jason [TS]

01:13:28   was in skin yard is that right detective [TS]

01:13:29   of it he only has the one tattoo as far [TS]

01:13:32   as i know [TS]

01:13:32   ok he you know he played screaming trees [TS]

01:13:38   walking papers to atara without Scott [TS]

01:13:41   McCoy in that Peter Buck and Scott McCoy [TS]

01:13:43   I think dammit these guys are confusing [TS]

01:13:45   yeah they're all together they're all [TS]

01:13:46   moms crisis like I was like a rat King [TS]

01:13:49   yeah uh-huh and actually talking some of [TS]

01:13:52   that was maybe section work [TS]

01:13:54   he's a very good driver and the minus 5 [TS]

01:13:56   is that is that the thing that robyn [TS]

01:13:58   Hitchcock and Bob Pollard did you know [TS]

01:14:00   technically i'm in the minus 5 is that [TS]

01:14:02   right yeah because uh because Scott [TS]

01:14:04   McCoy always said if you've ever played [TS]

01:14:06   if you ever been in the minus 5 that you [TS]

01:14:09   are still in the minus five which I [TS]

01:14:11   thought was a 2nd marine yeah that's [TS]

01:14:13   right just saying is as a retired as I'm [TS]

01:14:16   alive [TS]

01:14:16   yeah so he said you know he says that [TS]

01:14:19   pretty regularly which is bits of [TS]

01:14:20   typical Scott because generosity [TS]

01:14:22   oh and so that enables me because there [TS]

01:14:25   are a lot of people who have been on [TS]

01:14:27   stage with the minus 5 [TS]

01:14:29   do you like they're like discounts and [TS]

01:14:31   stuff like that the places you can you [TS]

01:14:33   show your card [TS]

01:14:34   no because it's a thing where it's one [TS]

01:14:37   thing for me to be in a bar in Brooklyn [TS]

01:14:40   and say I'm in 2-5 mhm and it's another [TS]

01:14:43   thing for me to walk up to Peter Buck [TS]

01:14:46   and say well as you know i'm in a band [TS]

01:14:48   of you as you know I'm you know that [TS]

01:14:54   that's a little bit that's what you know [TS]

01:14:56   there are a lot a lot of people that [TS]

01:14:59   have been played at minus-5 and you [TS]

01:15:01   don't want to [TS]

01:15:01   you don't want to just you don't play [TS]

01:15:05   that card too often you know what I'm [TS]

01:15:07   saying you want to underplay that in [TS]

01:15:09   that car okay because you know I was [TS]

01:15:12   like the Afghanistan card you don't pull [TS]

01:15:14   it out all the time [TS]

01:15:15   yeah right i mean it if i if I'm sitting [TS]

01:15:19   in a hotel lobby with mark i tol em I'll [TS]

01:15:22   say oh yeah you and I are both in the [TS]

01:15:23   minus 5 and markets all have to deal [TS]

01:15:25   with it [TS]

01:15:26   just got to sit with that yeah but I've [TS]

01:15:28   never met Jeff Tweety which seems [TS]

01:15:31   surprising but I never have but it's not [TS]

01:15:33   a good sport [TS]

01:15:34   yeah he does but if I rolled up on Jeff [TS]

01:15:36   Tweety I you know that actually might be [TS]

01:15:41   my intro with him to like know you look [TS]

01:15:42   at minus-5 challenge coin i might be [TS]

01:15:44   like you and I earned a band together [TS]

01:15:46   and he's like uh huh but i'd say we [TS]

01:15:48   wrote the minus 5 and he seems like the [TS]

01:15:51   type of guy that would get that yeah [TS]

01:15:52   yeah he's on he's I he's made [TS]

01:15:55   appearances on on on TV shows i like and [TS]

01:15:58   he seems like a very good sport [TS]

01:15:59   yeah he does one is when I saw that [TS]

01:16:01   movie I that was available time will [TS]

01:16:05   come movie [TS]

01:16:06   yeah that was a bad time in my life and [TS]

01:16:08   I walked out of that theater with the [TS]

01:16:09   with the Swift they liked it the taste [TS]

01:16:12   of batteries in my mouth [TS]

01:16:14   who here but since then i feel like i [TS]

01:16:17   have i've come back around and everybody [TS]

01:16:21   i know you know hodgman's close with [TS]

01:16:24   those guys somehow and and everybody [TS]

01:16:28   says he saw these pieces astonishing so [TS]

01:16:30   what can I say I agree [TS]

01:16:32   oh you're in a band together Yeah right [TS]

01:16:34   sure I mean you can't hate anybody [TS]

01:16:36   that's been in the minus 5 except for [TS]

01:16:38   colin Meloy and I don't come on I'm [TS]

01:16:40   kidding there's a native of parks and [TS]

01:16:43   recreation [TS]

01:16:44   all you really need to know about it is [TS]

01:16:47   that it features a concert and a concert [TS]

01:16:49   in include appearances by yo tengo while [TS]

01:16:54   they're in disguise as a different band [TS]

01:16:55   but yo tengo and the decemberists and a [TS]

01:16:58   band featuring Jeff Tweety how do you [TS]

01:17:00   know anybody in yo tengo no I met them [TS]

01:17:03   outside an elevator at south by [TS]

01:17:04   southwest and they were very gracious [TS]

01:17:05   where you at South by Southwest doing a [TS]

01:17:08   tech talk all you're so mad at me i [TS]

01:17:13   didn't really I didn't mean to make you [TS]

01:17:14   man [TS]

01:17:15   no wait mad at you ok I think Matt just [TS]

01:17:18   play a fine manager i just got a issue [TS]

01:17:22   and I was why was i there [TS]

01:17:26   I've done two things at South by [TS]

01:17:28   Southwest I think and they're only [TS]

01:17:31   nominally tech related but I was it does [TS]

01:17:34   in my hotel and I mean you know here's [TS]

01:17:36   the thing above all I am a fan [TS]

01:17:39   unlike you i am a fan I I am I know you [TS]

01:17:42   might develop very very strong almost [TS]

01:17:45   creepy feelings about certain bands and [TS]

01:17:47   one of those is yo tengo en you ready [TS]

01:17:49   for this my instruction yo tengo is fake [TS]

01:17:51   book weird first record a guy that I was [TS]

01:17:53   in a band with gave me a cassette you [TS]

01:17:55   should check this out i was like oh my [TS]

01:17:56   god this man's incredible sound [TS]

01:17:57   absolutely nothing like what ya tengo [TS]

01:17:59   actually it was it covers acoustic [TS]

01:18:01   covers anyway doesn't matter but IRA in [TS]

01:18:04   Georgia were waiting for the same [TS]

01:18:05   elevator and I was like a day are now [TS]

01:18:08   and I do my usual i think i think i said [TS]

01:18:10   it's really enjoy your work thank you [TS]

01:18:12   for doing what you do [TS]

01:18:13   yeah I did you want to say that didn't [TS]

01:18:15   you make sure not to get in the elevator [TS]

01:18:16   with them [TS]

01:18:17   yeah then you put your wallet out and [TS]

01:18:18   say hello hello I literally can't think [TS]

01:18:21   you're safe can you hear me now [TS]

01:18:23   that's not my line yeah no yeah that was [TS]

01:18:27   uh I remember you mean you are one of a [TS]

01:18:29   small handful of people who have put yo [TS]

01:18:31   la tengo in front of me you i've sat [TS]

01:18:33   down at the dinner table I've tucked [TS]

01:18:35   into the table i put my burn it's not [TS]

01:18:38   it's not it's not a same-day enterprise [TS]

01:18:40   to get into yellow tengo yeah that you [TS]

01:18:42   put the plate down and there's yo la [TS]

01:18:43   tengo on and I go and design is another [TS]

01:18:47   one with the yo la tengo and vegetables [TS]

01:18:49   job I have never had a bad experience [TS]

01:18:51   with you'll attend canal but as you know [TS]

01:18:53   i just sort of like big maps in that it [TS]

01:18:56   i have consumed them quite a bit and I [TS]

01:18:58   have enjoyed them quite a bit to have [TS]

01:19:00   been there if you're there when it [TS]

01:19:01   happened it's different I mean like you [TS]

01:19:03   and all the screaming trees Taipans like [TS]

01:19:04   when you were there like that's a [TS]

01:19:05   different kind of thing and I never [TS]

01:19:07   that's the thing i never played with [TS]

01:19:09   them I never stood on the side of the [TS]

01:19:10   stage and it and absorbed it from that [TS]

01:19:12   standpoint and that's usually how I get [TS]

01:19:14   to be close with the ball they do the [TS]

01:19:17   musician into a very good live show [TS]

01:19:19   I something with the city with lamb chop [TS]

01:19:22   one of those terrible little great [TS]

01:19:24   American where you have to sit at a [TS]

01:19:25   table I've spent a lot of time with lamb [TS]

01:19:28   job it's a hell of a band [TS]

01:19:29   yeah we played a lot of shows zoo again [TS]

01:19:33   adjacent is there anybody else that [TS]

01:19:36   you'd like to mention that you've met a [TS]

01:19:38   boy so many people let me think [TS]

01:19:40   I mean you know really mean it doesn't [TS]

01:19:41   have to be a headliner who nothing but [TS]

01:19:44   nah [TS]

01:19:45   Jeffrey Jones is that the guy that [TS]

01:19:48   killed all those people with the TV [TS]

01:19:50   party tonight [TS]

01:19:51   that's right you are you tea party [TS]

01:19:53   compact TV party all right yeah yeah [TS]

01:19:56   yeahs institutionalized I'm not crazy [TS]

01:20:01   yeah I met a lot of people mr. Roderick [TS]

01:20:04   yeah i remember i was there [TS]

01:20:06   yeah I read scott miller book is a book [TS]

01:20:09   about Scott Miller read that I'm afraid [TS]

01:20:12   that I you know I used to be i used to [TS]

01:20:15   be a lot more reticent about just [TS]

01:20:16   sitting on this program and just [TS]

01:20:18   throwing names around really but I feel [TS]

01:20:20   like you've always been pretty [TS]

01:20:21   comfortable it feels like the one about [TS]

01:20:24   that John Wesley Harding ever met him [TS]

01:20:26   it feels like lately we've been doing it [TS]

01:20:29   more and I don't I feel like it's coming [TS]

01:20:30   from me and I don't know what you're [TS]

01:20:32   doing that's in the show is in the show [TS]

01:20:34   that's always been my can't people just [TS]

01:20:36   understand that stuff comes up you know [TS]

01:20:38   what it comes up it comes up and then [TS]

01:20:40   it's in the show that's how you know [TS]

01:20:42   it's in the show is it's part of the [TS]

01:20:43   show [TS]

01:20:44   yeah nobody ever called pablo picasso [TS]

01:20:46   and also that's right [TS]

01:20:47   not mine no I think that John captain [TS]

01:20:51   john cale song right John Cale John [TS]

01:20:54   Kelly doesn't sign up but um apparently [TS]

01:20:59   thinking you know that song [TS]

01:21:00   yeah the one that goes come on come on [TS]

01:21:02   come on now touch me baby about the bar [TS]

01:21:06   how'd you see that I'm not afraid [TS]

01:21:10   no is eric ray manzarek he he produced [TS]

01:21:13   he produced acts and iĆ­ve met John Doe [TS]

01:21:16   I spend a little time with job isn't he [TS]

01:21:18   a nice man what's really missing anybody [TS]

01:21:20   else have we met John a very handsome [TS]

01:21:23   very very handsome and he's always very [TS]

01:21:26   nice to my daughter when we see him he's [TS]

01:21:27   a sweet sweet sweet nopales we also was [TS]

01:21:30   a jonathan richman song i think the [TS]

01:21:32   cover of a john cale song it was [TS]

01:21:35   produced by john cale pop out of her go [TS]

01:21:44   back to jonathan richman you ever go [TS]

01:21:45   back to the modern lovers i do because i [TS]

01:21:48   keep thinking it was the next time I [TS]

01:21:50   listen to it is going to be the time not [TS]

01:21:52   that into it but I'm frequently [TS]

01:21:53   surprised by how much I i still really [TS]

01:21:55   enjoy is not as I'm just like his jokey [TS]

01:21:58   stuff but something hospital like that's [TS]

01:22:00   still really good song so many good [TS]

01:22:02   songs and so many good like tones [TS]

01:22:07   mhm um like the towns are never what you [TS]

01:22:12   expect and I always thought i was a guy [TS]

01:22:16   was listening to the other day where the [TS]

01:22:18   thing that always astonishes me about [TS]

01:22:20   tones is when a clean guitar fulfills [TS]

01:22:26   the function of a distorted guitar it's [TS]

01:22:29   not just a neutered rock and roll guitar [TS]

01:22:31   know it's like a hot cool rebel kick and [TS]

01:22:35   move but still thats up to it without [TS]

01:22:39   needing to be distorted and it comes the [TS]

01:22:41   ends in a track and goes like meringue [TS]

01:22:45   but it pumps the song up just as it's [TS]

01:22:49   like let me just get this thing [TS]

01:22:50   straightened out and just comes right [TS]

01:22:51   something straight down the center of [TS]

01:22:53   the room [TS]

01:22:53   exactly yeah I know exactly what you [TS]

01:22:55   mean my instinct would always to be to [TS]

01:22:58   be and I think it's an incorrect [TS]

01:22:59   instinct would be to put a bunch of like [TS]

01:23:02   on it a bunch of sort of overdrive [TS]

01:23:06   distort oh you can have a loud guitar [TS]

01:23:10   that is not distorted and people i think [TS]

01:23:12   either don't know that or they forget [TS]

01:23:13   that and they think that that you've [TS]

01:23:15   gotta have the distortion you can have a [TS]

01:23:17   very loud very clear guitar sound that [TS]

01:23:19   could just knock somebody right in the [TS]

01:23:20   chest and it's very compelling [TS]

01:23:22   so you get to the end [TS]

01:23:23   I'm straight mhm I'm straight wing [TS]

01:23:28   Kingdom that guitar is just clean a shit [TS]

01:23:31   hit the Johnny but who [TS]

01:23:33   it lifts the tune so much and you're [TS]

01:23:35   like a and every tone on it [TS]

01:23:40   I just I every tone just feels so good [TS]

01:23:45   it just feels so good real-time [TS]

01:23:47   follow-up you are correct according to [TS]

01:23:49   wikipedia which is never wrong Pablo [TS]

01:23:50   Picasso is a song written by jonathan [TS]

01:23:52   richman DD you're right produced by John [TS]

01:23:54   canada here's the thing this is the trip [TS]

01:23:55   me up or is what trips me up so that was [TS]

01:23:58   recorded in 72 released in 76 john cale [TS]

01:24:01   did cover the jonathan richman song [TS]

01:24:03   public Casso and really fun as hell of a [TS]

01:24:05   tryout 1975 turns hello [TS]

01:24:08   so the original recording was by kale [TS]

01:24:11   because it didn't come out by richmond [TS]

01:24:13   until much later [TS]

01:24:14   yeah right i've never met John kill no [TS]

01:24:19   me either i've never met jonathan [TS]

01:24:21   richman but he played at bumbershoot not [TS]

01:24:24   very long ago and I've seen him a couple [TS]

01:24:27   of times now and I don't have introduced [TS]

01:24:29   myself to him many times and he's a very [TS]

01:24:33   very interesting person he loves talking [TS]

01:24:36   about buses [TS]

01:24:37   oh I love talking about buses you should [TS]

01:24:39   talk to him look at him he looks great [TS]

01:24:41   65 looks terrific [TS]

01:24:42   he's terrific looking guy thinks i still [TS]

01:24:44   he's still wearing the striped shirt sky [TS]

01:24:46   love this guy [TS]

01:24:46   the famous story about him making his [TS]

01:24:49   drummer play with rolled-up newspapers [TS]

01:24:51   an old folks home is one that ice that I [TS]

01:24:54   cannot ever i cannot forget that story [TS]

01:24:57   because it makes me feel like maybe I [TS]

01:25:00   should have been more crazy with my [TS]

01:25:02   bandmates instead of instead of always [TS]

01:25:04   wondering whether i should have been [TS]

01:25:05   less crazy your you've made a lot of [TS]

01:25:07   irrational demands of the people in your [TS]

01:25:10   life but they're all irrational within [TS]

01:25:12   normal parameters [TS]

01:25:13   yeah have you ever thought about maybe [TS]

01:25:14   getting out beyond that you might wanna [TS]

01:25:15   get the band back together just to see [TS]

01:25:16   how you can fuck with them [TS]

01:25:18   well that's what I'm saying like 190 [TS]

01:25:19   play any apps time I remember you have [TS]

01:25:21   no symbols which was like another like [TS]

01:25:24   great like no symbols says PS as a peter [TS]

01:25:28   gabriel and there and is that right no [TS]

01:25:30   symbols no symbols there's one of those [TS]

01:25:32   Peter Gabriel albums that has no [TS]

01:25:34   symbols but that put that into your [TS]

01:25:36   thought machine for a second [TS]

01:25:39   hmm he's he said you know about Solsbury [TS]

01:25:42   Hill he says I'll show that show that [TS]

01:25:43   Phil Collins yeah there are several [TS]

01:25:45   allowed there at all [TS]

01:25:49   no no jacket required I fucked it up now [TS]

01:25:52   general the last throat let's go through [TS]

01:25:54   it again more like no symbols required [TS]

01:25:57   am i right no symbols funk on back [TS]

01:26:01   no symbolism rainbow I've never met [TS]

01:26:04   rainbow I feel like know he was dead [TS]

01:26:07   before we came along but I feel like [TS]

01:26:08   there was there's enough problems you [TS]

01:26:11   know [TS]

01:26:12   14 but for Peter Gabriel there that one [TS]

01:26:15   of the problems was too many symbols and [TS]

01:26:17   his answer was no symbols which has 16 [TS]

01:26:21   during that's extreme I could do with [TS]

01:26:22   your symbols i think i would like here's [TS]

01:26:25   what i'd like to do I'm going to Donald [TS]

01:26:26   Trump here from now on every time you [TS]

01:26:29   are you about this i want twice as much [TS]

01:26:31   floor tom and half as much symbol that's [TS]

01:26:34   wonderful i'm going to get even harder [TS]

01:26:35   i'm gonna give you an algebra problem [TS]

01:26:37   yeah I like you a lot more floor tom [TS]

01:26:39   here's what I'm going to say take the [TS]

01:26:40   floor tom and the symbols away here's [TS]

01:26:42   what you got kick drum snare okay that's [TS]

01:26:47   the end allowed to sit down [TS]

01:26:49   yeah we can get it kick drum snare class [TS]

01:26:51   our own go for it go for it Phil Collins [TS]

01:26:54   he did kill it [TS]

01:26:55   no he lied he would you know I've come [TS]

01:26:57   around a little bit on him [TS]

01:26:59   I don't think there's a I don't think [TS]

01:27:01   you can hate on Phil Collins even though [TS]

01:27:03   you absolutely can hate on some of his [TS]

01:27:07   choices [TS]

01:27:08   well i think also my god is that like [TS]

01:27:10   jeff tweedy I think he's probably a [TS]

01:27:12   stand-up dude [TS]

01:27:13   yeah i heard in my wait wait don't tell [TS]

01:27:14   me what we don't tell me I heard him on [TS]

01:27:16   some NPR show any sound a sound totally [TS]

01:27:19   charming [TS]

01:27:19   yeah he might be a bastard yeah in [TS]

01:27:21   addition to being totally charming but [TS]

01:27:23   that's never stopped us from liking some [TS]

01:27:25   life is hard on people John it's [TS]

01:27:26   complicated [TS]

01:27:27   he never should have covered you can't [TS]

01:27:28   hurry love don't don't don't don't don't [TS]

01:27:31   don't [TS]

01:27:31   I just wish he hadn't done that I wish [TS]

01:27:33   they could get a little alien I mean [TS]

01:27:36   that definitely falls into the category [TS]

01:27:38   of problematic my attic but that little [TS]

01:27:42   shy [TS]

01:27:44   yeah sure it was all so awful but [TS]

01:27:47   but there it was you know like I don't [TS]

01:27:50   that the whole here's the here's a [TS]

01:27:53   question for you [TS]

01:27:54   here's the thing about Phil Collins how [TS]

01:27:56   is it that Peter Gabriel for all of his [TS]

01:28:01   eccentricity never made a novelty song [TS]

01:28:09   but like Phil Collins made a half a [TS]

01:28:13   dozen novelty song all interesting and [TS]

01:28:16   like the the biggest dire straits hit [TS]

01:28:19   clearly a novelty song yeah right like a [TS]

01:28:22   lot in the eighties a lot of novelty [TS]

01:28:25   music was right up there on the charts [TS]

01:28:30   but Peter Gabriel for all of his like [TS]

01:28:32   why the purple / hammer Wang with like [TS]

01:28:35   it's not a novelty song somehow right [TS]

01:28:39   like everybody introduced a topical song [TS]

01:28:41   like something about the Ayatollah or [TS]

01:28:43   something yeah like on the evening news [TS]

01:28:48   he never said bubbles bloomin on the [TS]

01:28:51   evening news [TS]

01:28:53   yeah he can't believe what I'm seeing [TS]

01:28:56   Tom leather leggings and a spy support [TS]

01:29:01   our True Jackson Hole I mean even [TS]

01:29:05   shocked them i mean shock the monkey is [TS]

01:29:07   one of the darkest fucking songs that [TS]

01:29:09   ever was [TS]

01:29:10   mm um some games without frontiers he's [TS]

01:29:14   got a lot of issues but uh you know it's [TS]

01:29:17   not like Roy Wood doing christmas songs [TS]

01:29:19   know and it's not like all confused John [TS]

01:29:21   probable ball that's what the world is [TS]

01:29:24   today [TS]

01:29:25   hey no no well no that's not you can't [TS]

01:29:30   do that [TS]

01:29:30   music novelty songs to go i don't know i [TS]

01:29:33   guess i think more of like you know and [TS]

01:29:35   check out the draw or something like [TS]

01:29:37   that i think i think that being like a [TS]

01:29:39   like a bit like snooping the red baron [TS]

01:29:41   or something that that's not a great [TS]

01:29:42   song [TS]

01:29:43   uh right around Snoopy and the Red Baron [TS]

01:29:45   is a great song it was it was right up [TS]

01:29:48   there on the charts but what would you [TS]

01:29:50   say came and tried a diamond on what [TS]

01:29:52   that's right would you say [TS]

01:29:54   that sugar sugar was a novelty song oh [TS]

01:29:59   boy it was right up against it doesn't [TS]

01:30:01   em but it was such a green song that's [TS]

01:30:06   the question like like when when bands [TS]

01:30:09   do a like an idiomatic song when Billy [TS]

01:30:14   Joel does like like doo wop it's not [TS]

01:30:18   novelty I'm gonna bring you around i'm [TS]

01:30:20   gonna bring around Billy Joel so are in [TS]

01:30:23   the sunset grill know what god man and [TS]

01:30:28   woman when Billy Joel those doo-wop it's [TS]

01:30:31   not novelty because I'm so in Billy Joel [TS]

01:30:34   like it's it's more novelty when Billy [TS]

01:30:37   Joel isn't doing doo-wop what about how [TS]

01:30:40   about this one now without Heidi [TS]

01:30:41   princess maker don't know count on oh I [TS]

01:30:45   had a novelty song they change it enough [TS]

01:30:48   and but I mean the name the name is bad [TS]

01:30:52   that's a pond but they change it yeah [TS]

01:30:54   you should never name a song with a punk [TS]

01:30:56   also as I i often council my kids until [TS]

01:30:58   you really know what you're doing [TS]

01:31:00   never make more than one joke at a time [TS]

01:31:01   mhm right so your maker and the joke is [TS]

01:31:06   that it's kind of like a slightly reggae [TS]

01:31:08   ish [TS]

01:31:09   well what how will people know this song [TS]

01:31:11   oh yeah lets up and around [TS]

01:31:13   oh but I read the news and it told me [TS]

01:31:15   and that's a look at you that's so good [TS]

01:31:18   but I never heard what I feel like [TS]

01:31:21   locate let me let me ask you this when [TS]

01:31:23   the hollies did long cool woman in a [TS]

01:31:26   black travel oh yeah is then because [TS]

01:31:30   that's not their normal sound absolutely [TS]

01:31:33   i'll all bossy and raise you what about [TS]

01:31:35   a hand heavy he's my brother [TS]

01:31:37   that's not what I mean that's that's [TS]

01:31:39   fine but like to me the stuff that [TS]

01:31:41   nobody knows anymore today I mean you [TS]

01:31:43   get stuff like what the obvious like bus [TS]

01:31:45   stop carrie Ann like any of the like [TS]

01:31:47   truly classic like Holly stuff and but [TS]

01:31:50   also how do you do long cool woman in a [TS]

01:31:52   black dress and the air that i breathe [TS]

01:31:54   the air that is meeting [TS]

01:31:57   the and I mean that's into your cocaine [TS]

01:31:58   rock that's so cocaine e but long cool [TS]

01:32:01   woman it's like such a great rock song [TS]

01:32:03   but you want it to be should be selling [TS]

01:32:06   it should be like a ccr songs yeah [TS]

01:32:08   exactly it's like in a style that that [TS]

01:32:11   is that should be some way somebody else [TS]

01:32:14   right it's like yeah the air that I [TS]

01:32:16   breathe should be a song by uh what was [TS]

01:32:21   the promisee bread bread that's how are [TS]

01:32:24   you thinking of [TS]

01:32:24   no America mm I'm everything is America [TS]

01:32:29   or bread you know how I feel about [TS]

01:32:30   America don't I don't I I feel like [TS]

01:32:34   America's so like if you took the lyrics [TS]

01:32:37   of America [TS]

01:32:38   hmm let's say well here we are we're [TS]

01:32:40   back in the day plants and birds and [TS]

01:32:41   rocks and things a bearing hub America [TS]

01:32:44   are still in Europe there the two [TS]

01:32:45   friends that met it that the American [TS]

01:32:47   School in Paris or whatever however this [TS]

01:32:49   whatever their foundation stories which [TS]

01:32:52   is something like that right they met in [TS]

01:32:53   there were two Americans who were with a [TS]

01:32:59   rich kids they were still they were they [TS]

01:33:03   met in Europe ok and they were it was [TS]

01:33:06   some kind of thing where they were in [TS]

01:33:07   prep school or some there are some [TS]

01:33:08   reason they were both in Europe and they [TS]

01:33:09   met there and then but they were [TS]

01:33:12   Americans and they wrote these songs [TS]

01:33:14   that sounded like Los Angeles [TS]

01:33:16   mhm anyway if I special yeah especially [TS]

01:33:19   a certain canadian that was living in [TS]

01:33:21   which is correct if you could go back if [TS]

01:33:26   you could take me back to them and say [TS]

01:33:29   let uh you guys hey a song sound great [TS]

01:33:33   let me let me take a look at those [TS]

01:33:35   spiral-bound notebooks let me just go [TS]

01:33:37   over these lyrics with you for a second [TS]

01:33:39   right right right anything else just you [TS]

01:33:41   let's just do a quick second pass on his [TS]

01:33:42   lip if you could just give you put me [TS]

01:33:44   there and give me those notebooks and [TS]

01:33:47   just let me comb through them and just [TS]

01:33:49   take out the alligator lizards in the [TS]

01:33:53   air [TS]

01:33:54   they're in the air just let me just [TS]

01:33:56   change that same melody same like in the [TS]

01:33:59   air hook but just let me take alligator [TS]

01:34:02   lizards out and replace it with [TS]

01:34:06   something else that has other words you [TS]

01:34:10   know I mean like I don't want to change [TS]

01:34:12   anything except put other words and and [TS]

01:34:15   every one of their songs has a moment [TS]

01:34:17   like that where you're like I'm [TS]

01:34:18   listening this I'm going through the [TS]

01:34:20   desert on a horse with no name [TS]

01:34:21   yeah it's so good to get out of the [TS]

01:34:24   first thing I met was a fly with a buzz [TS]

01:34:26   and the sky with no clouds the heat was [TS]

01:34:29   hot and the ground was dry but the air [TS]

01:34:32   was full of sound [TS]

01:34:33   mm-hmm let me just take one pass at that [TS]

01:34:37   yeah all right just give me one pass [TS]

01:34:39   you'll get a coffee and come back and [TS]

01:34:41   I'm just gonna work Smith this a little [TS]

01:34:43   bit you know what you're not even gonna [TS]

01:34:44   notice who enter highway and it doesn't [TS]

01:34:48   fucking chance but it's gonna make it is [TS]

01:34:50   going to make no sense in a way that's [TS]

01:34:51   more amusing [TS]

01:34:52   yeah when the days are longer and the [TS]

01:34:53   nights are stronger than moonshine [TS]

01:34:55   mm let me just I just we can just get in [TS]

01:34:57   there just one time just comb through it [TS]

01:35:01   really walk through the metaphors the [TS]

01:35:03   analogy I mean if you really walk [TS]

01:35:04   through it what do you come up with it [TS]

01:35:06   because you don't really go anywhere [TS]

01:35:08   with these right there just think it's [TS]

01:35:10   like saying oh she was as beautiful as a [TS]

01:35:12   pile of paper will be like okay that's I [TS]

01:35:15   guess that's a metaphor but like what [TS]

01:35:17   like it just doesn't go anywhere [TS]

01:35:19   yeah she was as beautiful as a pile of [TS]

01:35:20   paper haha it's exactly yeah thatthat [TS]

01:35:26   you know America you can use that and I [TS]

01:35:28   am I feel like they really I their songs [TS]

01:35:33   are really good i I'll fight anybody [TS]

01:35:36   I'll fight anybody that says sister [TS]

01:35:40   golden hair is a degree that's a good [TS]

01:35:42   tune but you can't give me a bunch of [TS]

01:35:47   a.e I will not stand there and defend [TS]

01:35:49   the lyrics of sister golden hair at all [TS]

01:35:53   i would i would agree with you I if it [TS]

01:35:56   was just if it was just the lyrics I [TS]

01:35:57   would I would I would say out i'm [TS]

01:36:00   definitely i'm not going to fight [TS]

01:36:01   against them in this forget to remember [TS]

01:36:03   come back remember you can do magic you [TS]

01:36:06   can do magic equipment that's America I [TS]

01:36:10   think it's a big comeback circa 283 what [TS]

01:36:14   yeah you know darn well oh I know the [TS]

01:36:16   tune I just didn't realize it was [TS]

01:36:17   America that's America when you cast [TS]

01:36:19   your spell you will get your way when [TS]

01:36:22   you hypnotized with your eyes a heart of [TS]

01:36:24   stone can turn to clay doot-doot-doot of [TS]

01:36:32   stone can turn to clay and if that [TS]

01:36:34   happened metaphorically what would that [TS]

01:36:37   mean it means you're gonna need to see a [TS]

01:36:40   fucking cardiologist really soon [TS]

01:36:42   mmm heart so sister golden hair the [TS]

01:36:45   reason I reference it is it is Oksana [TS]

01:36:47   get so close em right like first the i [TS]

01:36:51   just looked it up here so i can quote ok [TS]

01:36:53   i tried to make it sunday but I got so [TS]

01:36:55   damn depressed that i set my sights on [TS]

01:36:57   monday and i got myself undressed [TS]

01:37:00   I think that's pretty good that's pretty [TS]

01:37:02   good c plus Dylan right there as a [TS]

01:37:04   lyricist honestly like I would like that [TS]

01:37:07   absolutely go it's got a nice structure [TS]

01:37:09   to its gotten in right he got so damn [TS]

01:37:12   president aside somebody I ready for the [TS]

01:37:14   altar but I do agree there's times when [TS]

01:37:17   a woman sure can be a friend of mine [TS]

01:37:19   let's roll that back alright oh and i [TS]

01:37:22   would take another I take another slice [TS]

01:37:24   at it but it's not a Windsor right it's [TS]

01:37:26   a lyric right there [TS]

01:37:28   they're always gonna be lyrics that are [TS]

01:37:29   like but it's not to win see here we go [TS]

01:37:33   into the course well I keep on thinking [TS]

01:37:35   about you sister golden hair surprise [TS]

01:37:36   surprise it's got flow though it does [TS]

01:37:42   but i would just surprised could be a [TS]

01:37:44   lot of things there because he's setting [TS]

01:37:47   it up to say the surprise is only there [TS]

01:37:49   to set up and I just can't live without [TS]

01:37:51   you can't you see it in my eyes that [TS]

01:37:54   rhymes and that's not so bad but [TS]

01:37:56   surprise you gotta wiggle it a little [TS]

01:37:57   that doesn't golden hair surprise that [TS]

01:38:00   isn't good enough [TS]

01:38:02   yeah and here's a this is a great lyric [TS]

01:38:05   i love this layer I've been one poor [TS]

01:38:07   correspondent and I've been to too hard [TS]

01:38:09   to find Lana sounds [TS]

01:38:12   but it doesn't mean you ain't been [TS]

01:38:15   brought my mind line and now all the [TS]

01:38:17   sudden Carl Wilson comes flying in a [TS]

01:38:19   jetpack the shitty shitty chorus will [TS]

01:38:24   you may be in the middle [TS]

01:38:26   will you meet me in the air no we got in [TS]

01:38:30   the middle Whitney in the air will you [TS]

01:38:32   love me just a little just enough to [TS]

01:38:35   show you care [TS]

01:38:37   that's how much you want to be loved [TS]

01:38:38   yeah just like meeting you in the air [TS]

01:38:41   yeah and so that's where the that's [TS]

01:38:43   where the record scratches and you say I [TS]

01:38:44   let you get away with golden hair [TS]

01:38:46   surprise [TS]

01:38:47   yeah but you're that was your Mulligan [TS]

01:38:50   America [TS]

01:38:51   yeah you're not hearing you're not [TS]

01:38:52   meeting her in the air that's not where [TS]

01:38:54   you meet people [TS]

01:38:56   I'm going to co-opt I i look at that [TS]

01:38:58   don't I go I bet the original lyric was [TS]

01:39:00   will you meet me in the middle will you [TS]

01:39:02   meet me in the end I bet that was the [TS]

01:39:04   original because that's what it wants to [TS]

01:39:05   be it was that he will you meet me in [TS]

01:39:06   the middle even God Merlin you're [TS]

01:39:08   absolutely right that's what it should [TS]

01:39:09   be [TS]

01:39:10   we will be just a little just enough to [TS]

01:39:13   help me bend or just enough to not [TS]

01:39:14   pretend oh god you're saving careers can [TS]

01:39:18   be in the middle [TS]

01:39:21   will you meet me me and will you love me [TS]

01:39:25   a little but we're just doing a poor job [TS]

01:39:27   just enough to not pretend we have a [TS]

01:39:29   skype jam in awhile and so so there it [TS]

01:39:33   is you know and that is the song of [TS]

01:39:35   their catalog that has the best lyrics [TS]

01:39:38   it's the it's the best jumping-off point [TS]

01:39:40   and we just saw said this is their [TS]

01:39:42   lonesome death of Hattie Carroll really [TS]

01:39:45   just really just just line after line of [TS]

01:39:47   me [TS]

01:39:47   magnifique well you know you know the [TS]

01:39:49   great story of the new young song what [TS]

01:39:51   we all we all think it says we don't [TS]

01:39:55   think it says the long enough to repay [TS]

01:40:00   it but old enough to sell whatever looks [TS]

01:40:02   cool see I'm always about the yeah yeah [TS]

01:40:05   hmmm I'm not going now man you forgot [TS]

01:40:09   the to repay but young enough to sell [TS]

01:40:15   yeah that's right that's the lyric yeah [TS]

01:40:17   and what it turns out that song [TS]

01:40:21   yeah but it turns out the actual lyric [TS]

01:40:23   is not old enough to repaint which is [TS]

01:40:26   the greatest lyric but old enough to [TS]

01:40:30   repay I always heard repay oh you did [TS]

01:40:33   repaint it would be better it's such a [TS]

01:40:35   good line old enough to repaint and [TS]

01:40:37   young enough to sell boom you just wrote [TS]

01:40:40   the greatest miracle of all time [TS]

01:40:41   haha but he wrote are old enough to [TS]

01:40:44   repay and young enough to sell which is [TS]

01:40:46   like okay alright it's complicated but [TS]

01:40:51   maybe unnecessarily so but that's not [TS]

01:40:54   what you just not just so much not as [TS]

01:40:57   good and you almost wish that the first [TS]

01:41:00   time somebody said oh that's nice old [TS]

01:41:02   enough to repaint that he just then this [TS]

01:41:05   isn't something Neil Young whatever do [TS]

01:41:06   but if he just SAT there for a second [TS]

01:41:09   and nodded and said yeah thanks [TS]

01:41:13   and then immediately set about really [TS]

01:41:15   like crossing off repay and writing [TS]

01:41:17   repaid on everything and just hope [TS]

01:41:20   nobody ever notices got the resources [TS]

01:41:21   you can put out a high bitrate he cannot [TS]

01:41:23   but I feel like he probably heard that [TS]

01:41:26   he probably heard that within a week of [TS]

01:41:29   writing it and I i think that i think [TS]

01:41:32   i've read a thing where he said you're [TS]

01:41:37   right that is a better lyric ice type is [TS]

01:41:39   done this type has famously change [TS]

01:41:42   lyrics because you like other people's [TS]

01:41:43   versions better and that's what I'm [TS]

01:41:45   saying like he heard it he agreed it was [TS]

01:41:47   better but then he did that Neil Young [TS]

01:41:50   like he just chuckled and said oh well [TS]

01:41:52   anyway no moving on to the next song [TS]

01:41:55   gave an African know and and yeah he [TS]

01:42:00   probably said like our kids are boring [TS]

01:42:02   i'm not going to Paris stupid babies [TS]

01:42:06   Heidi to send ago to fucking when we get [TS]

01:42:10   in this know [TS]

01:42:13   [Music] [TS]