The Accidental Tech Podcast

00:00:00 ◼   ► I just for the first time in awhile [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► picked up my iphone 5s had an outfit for [TS]

00:00:04 ◼   ► overcast testing this steak is a waffle [TS]

00:00:08 ◼   ► time it's so good like you tried tried [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► to accomplishing anything that you [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► you're like someone who were trying not [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► to mention it but whatever the last [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► thing that you know it's like that the [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► most impression on you [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► oh god oh god no I mean yeah it's a kind [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► of thing like i was doing some testing [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► if you did a few days ago and that's why [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► i just picked him out move it out of the [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► ways we could put the show and it just [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► feels so good when i pick it up and like [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► man I'm it looks so good I wish phones [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► could still look that good and still [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► feel like go to my hand but then i [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► actually use it to do my tests I'm just [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► like man this is such a toy this is [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► social offices but I've actually I've [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► honestly been thinking like okay so my [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► my phone is continuing to not be able to [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► make phone calls reliably this it since [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► i since day one [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► both mine and tips iphone sevens have [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► been very frequently exhibited the exact [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► same problem of the microphone cuts out [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► during phone call so that the other [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► person can't hear us for like 10 seconds [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► or four consecutive at a time often [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► resulting in them saying hello until the [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► hang-ups it and were screaming we're [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► here we're here we're here and they just [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► hang up after a while cos you know [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► usually doesn't recover and it's you [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► know you say you might think you're [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► never on the phone [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► oh I never never take phone calls you [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► know I use apps on my phone time you'd [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► be surprised how many times a phone call [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► become something important even in a [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► lifestyle like this simple things like [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► when your credit card gets flagged for [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► fraud and you have to call them and [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► explain it and they hang up on you in [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► the middle because they say I'm sorry it [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► seems like no one here anymore we have [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► to hang up anyway so I've been thinking [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► about maybe trying a plus [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► while I get this phone fixed Oh [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► boom but I don't know I i just keep [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► walking because like the camera on it is [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► so good even though it's not that great [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► a little light but I don't know I i use [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► my phone so much and so often i wish the [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► screen was bigger but when i do have the [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► plus for like a week here there [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► I'm just like oh this is so unwieldy in [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► my hand I hate holding it I like it so [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► it's easy and anyway that's that's the [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► current waffle but it's not a very [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► serious waffle yet maybe Michael work on [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► me for a couple of weeks and we'll see [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► but probably not probably just wait for [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► the next one can we not put this in the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► show because i want to hear Mike slip [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► after after it's inevitably released and [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► then he start celebrating on you [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► offering again [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► also I take issue with something you [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► said a minute ago the 5s unquestionably [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► feels amazing in a hand [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► oh my god it feels so good in the hand [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► but I actually stand by my earlier [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► assessment that this iphone 7 matte [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► black that I have my hands while [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► unquestionably slippier than the most [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► slippery soap that you've ever held it [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► is aesthetically my favorite iphone have [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► ever used which is unfortunate because [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► it is like holding a bar of soap but god [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► I think this thing is beautiful that [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► doesn't mean you have to agree but this [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► is my favorite phone of all the iphones [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► I've owned purely visually the on the [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► phone sighs thing the air pods are [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► giving me a a little bit of relief from [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► the excessive size of the six side which [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► is only size of what i have but it's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► obviously bigger than the plus R naught [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► plus the the ipod touches i used to use [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► remember i said when i first got the air [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► pods that the clicker thing on my wired [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► headphones was beating them in the [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► kitchen while the airports have made a [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► comeback because they allow me to put my [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► phone down someplace else [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► and not have it in my pocket wouldn't [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► think it would make a difference when [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► I'm going around the kitchen and cooking [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► but when you're cooking in the kitchen [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► occasional you have to bend down to get [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► like a pot out of a low thing or [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► whatever and no matter which pocket I [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► put my phone in it's just big enough to [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► be uncomfortable when I bend down and I [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► feel like I'm either bending my phone or [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► it's just you know I don't know just but [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► nice not to have it there are you know [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► it's just [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► anyway I feel better life for my phone [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► down you know on a side table in the [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► other room and then just walk around the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► kitchen with my airports are probably [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► back in the house now [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► hey goes to show that I would never [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► trade down this for the smaller size no [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► matter how good it feels in the hand [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► because it like Marco said you don't [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► just hold the thing it's not it's not a [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► worry stone that you're just rubbing [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► your hand you actually look at it and [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► touch the screen and for looking and [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► touching the screen on a bigger screen [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► so i have one but I do like a good at [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► the airport for letting me keep my phone [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► away from myself while listening to [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► audio i I'm just I'm so torn because [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► whenever i am using it i want a bigger [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► screen but whenever I'm holding it I [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► want a smaller phone and you talk about [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► the 5s but no i'm talking about the [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► middle of the 4.7 inch size [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► oh I'm never happy with this size but [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► I'm also not happy with any of the other [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► ones so i picked the one of the middle [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► that's kind of mediocre at everything [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► and I am I guess least at least unhappy [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► but the but I don't know this is why i'm [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► hoping so much that the next industrial [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► design of the phone puts a larger screen [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► smaller bodies like that's I would love [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► so much you have the size screen the [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► plus has but in something that isn't [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► quite as much bigger than the plus I you [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► know any any reduction in size and [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► probably enough to push me over the edge [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► even if it's a small reduction just like [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► fine like and i don't i'm not talking [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► about thickness you know that as as you [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► know from ever listening to me complain [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► about anything ever [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► I don't care that much about thickness [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► it in the iphones kids more about the [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► footprint the dimensions because that's [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► what makes it awkward in the hand and an [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► awkward in my pocket the thickness [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► itself is is not that important to me so [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► I'm really really hoping the next one [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► does something like that but I don't [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► know this they keep selling so many of [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► these I don't ever change it [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► speaking of topical things [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► so i have a question if the next iphone [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► let's let's just assume it's called an [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► iphone eat i'm not saying that's what I [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► expect let's just assume for this [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► conversation that the next iPhone is the [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► iphone aid and let's assume for the sake [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► of conversation that it is approximately [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► the same size as an iphone 7 physically [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► speaking but the screen because of [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► smaller bezels or John gazelles however [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► is now roughly the size of a 7 plus i [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► don't even care if that's like a [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► possible physically just for the sake of [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► discussion is Mike right if we also get [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► these iphone aids that are physically [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► the size that we've always used but the [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► screen size is the size of a plus is [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► Mike right yesterday is it is like the [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► TARDIS where it's bigger on the inside [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► masters go with that just go with now we [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► just go with it is like what if what if [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► you could have a bus but it was the size [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► of a matchbox compliments your home [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► precisely and getting shot know it for [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► reference so i have all three phones [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► that were talking about right here on my [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► desk have been doing this testing and if [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► you place the iphone 7 on top of a plus [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► phone you can still see the size of the [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► plus phone screen sticking out the left [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► and right after that up i don't think he [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► knows how big losses it's way bigger [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► yeah it's a lot bigger [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► so yeah that's it's not possible to [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► shove the massive screen into the mid [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► sized body it is possible to put the [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► massive screen into a phone that is less [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► massive it would still be a very large [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► phone but it would be possible it would [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► be more pleasant in the hand it would be [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► a little bit smaller and I honestly I [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► mean in the number three of us have ever [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► asked about my knowledge correct me if [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► I'm wrong spent any time with one of [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► these like android curved screen edge [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► phones [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► mhm but but there are you know you can [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► look at other phones on the market and [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► they they have creative ways to shove [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► large screens into at least narrower [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► phones and maybe also shorter but [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► narrower is usually the the more [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► important one and i think i would agree [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► with that in the hand narrower is kind [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► of more important for whether you can [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► reach things with your hand and how it [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► fits how you hold it [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► but man I just again any like the very [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► slightest improvement in size of the big [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► I'm getting it you won't be swayed by [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► what they're probably going to do which [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► is keep these the the seven form factor [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► but pulling the margins on that likes [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► the same size screen is the seven but [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► smaller surround so basically it's [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► making it in your hand feel closer to [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► the five size you'd still go for the big [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► giant phone with its margins pulled in [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► as opposed to the the middle phone with [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► the Martins pulled in so you're probably [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► right that you know that is probably the [TS]

00:08:43 ◼   ► kind of thing they would do like if they [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► do one they would probably do both in [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► with the same kind of treatment so the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► phone use described which is basically [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► like the iphone 8 minus it would be [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► really really great feeling in my hand [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► however i would have the same problems I [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► have with the current six which is 407 [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► with this design which is that I just [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► keep wanting more screen space and and [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► you know all the you know the biggest [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► battery in the biggest camera although [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► honestly truth be told I have been [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► totally fine with the battery on the [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► seven agreed and partly because i'm [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► doing a lot of iOS development so it's [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► plugged in a lot just turning the dick [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► but but overall the battery from the [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► seven is noticeably better than I wasn't [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► a success for me in my real-world use it [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► is a substantial difference and so the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► point now where like TIFF and I few [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► years ago I ran a lightning cable [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► between two segments of our couch so [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► that we would just always be able to [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► pull between to the cushions we would [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► just be able to pull up a cable and plug [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► your phone in car charger captions great [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► idea and we recently had to replace the [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► couch and I haven't even set up the new [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► one yet with the charger cable because i [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► really like we never really use it [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► anymore because tips phone always has [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► the giant battery BacPac on it and mine [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► is always putting my computer all day [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► and what i'm actually using it [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► throughout you know they're outside [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► world like the battery is actually [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► better enough in the 7th the regular [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► size seven so that that is you know good [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► for them i'm i'm really happy about that [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► in in practice and and that's one of the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► reasons why overall i am happier than i [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► thought i would be with seven [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► that being said I still want the bigger [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► screen and whatever the best camera [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► is hopefully the next one they can fit [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► two image stabilized cameras and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► hopefully the zoomed in one is both [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► stabilized and not a meaningful the [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► smaller aperture so that would be nice [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► but i still do want like the best best [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► best of all that stuff because i use my [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► phone so heavily for so many things [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► throughout the day but our apple doesn't [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► make best of anything anymore i know [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► that's kind of fucking yeah you gotta [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► decide what what asterisks you're [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► willing to tolerate that but anyway to [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► answer question Jon I should probably I [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► should probably just go ahead and get [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► the big one next time assuming it is a [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► little bit smaller but i would the whole [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► time I would have it I would be waffling [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► the other direction so yeah you'll hear [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► about it [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► justjust wait about what about nine [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► months and you'll start hearing that is [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► like you will buy the bigger one you [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► will receive it you will use it for a [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► week and then you all then you will keep [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► it for testing purposes by a smaller one [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► and use it as your phone back maybe I [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► just I just want my wonderful seven that [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► I'm unreasonably happy with in other [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► ways i just wanted to make phone calls [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► it's kind of important it is that do you [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► think thats related to the Intel do you [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► have the Intel chip instead of the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► Qualcomm on the radio i do that's that's [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► another thing so i do have a book every [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► I think AT&T sold phone i think i think [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► all of them except in the u.s. I think [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► all of them except the verizon one have [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► the Intel one that i thought id never [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► make phone calls from right exactly [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► so that is also one of my theories is [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► that if i said this in to get fixed and [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► i buy a new phone in the meantime I [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► would buy a verizon unlocked one and [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► then just maybe you know as if i get the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► old one back then sell it or something i [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► don't know i just want to deal with that [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► this is why i haven't got it fixed yet [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► has been able to make phone calls while [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► since day one but I just like I need my [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► phone all the time [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► okay Evan there has been a time where I [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► want to like you know ship it back and [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► be without it for probably at least a [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► few days while Apple does whatever to it [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► and then it comes back and maybe isn't [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► fixed mine has been completely fine and [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► errands to the best of my knowledge have [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► both been completely fine since we've [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► got them are both on AT&T both on iphone [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► sevens and they've both been no problem [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► at all which i don't i'm not to say that [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you know that's not to say that you're [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► wrong or anything obviously your [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► experiences your experience but [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it's not a systemic issue with all the [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Intel chips it would seem [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► yeah that's what I was wondering was [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► like I want this bug or something I'm [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► but by the way speaking of like how [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► often we use our phones i have my phone [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► right here and i can pull up how often I [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► it's all calls to send and receive their [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► just sent I'm going on the recent call [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► section in the all tab that's everything [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I would think so so this is 2017 phone [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► calls for me one on the fifth from my [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► house spam call on the 12 spam call me [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► 18 one on Thursday spam call on thursday [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► and then one today so that's everything [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► in 20 12 through three spam calls and [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► three legit calls in 2017 so far it's [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► februari don't use my phone I have 52 [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► calls in 2017 [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► yeah so you're you're feeling the pain [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► of a weird microphone a lot more than I [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► am you get this 32 33 34 35 36 8 4 [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► screen but yeah it's it's somewhere [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► between 40 and 50 and and i'm using that [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► no more robust thing to like I don't [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► know it's I mean it I i'm using it and I [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► like the fact that it has caught some [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► but I don't like that if you still get [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► through [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► yeah so iphone 7 overall thumbs up but [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► for God's sake I want to make phone [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► calls reliably and number also thumbs-up [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► big big supporter of that now I tried a [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► lot of the call blocking things numero [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► was the best i think it's like two bucks [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► a month some kind of subscription price [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► but it's worth it [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► do it value well why would i would pay [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► more if it worked better and although i [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► still have high on here which was the [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► one I was using before which as you [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► point out marker like doesn't work as [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► annoying as evil because highlights you [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► look up numbers so when one of them gets [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► through and I don't answer it because [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► why would I I want to know is the spam [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► call and I can just you know go too high [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► and paste in the number it's as though [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► you 9 out of 10 people reported this is [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► spam and I know you know yeah I mean [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► like I i I've had no my Robo miss spam [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► calls a couple of times in the last few [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► days but overall it's been very solid [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► because when i'm not running a blocker [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► of some sort i get roughly wanted a [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► maybe [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► really yeah for the last couple years [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► I've gotten like almost wanted a maybe [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► maybe it's more like 45 a week so it's [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► like not quite one today but in that [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► ballpark and I had higher block 0 of [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► them ever i ran for like two months and [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► then i have i've had no robot now for a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► couple of weeks and I have gotten i [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► think one or two in like two weeks or so [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► i'll put a link to Marco's article about [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► this in the show notes because it's hard [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► to understand the name of these things [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► we're saying hi present the word high [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► and then yeah short free for you hiyaa [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► and then Nomo robo is no more robocalls [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► but it's a no mor OBO all onward yeah [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► anyway like the blog post all the stuff [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► is linked it just sounds like we're [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► gonna force a made-up words but there's [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► a relapse [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► welcome to the happening it's like you [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► know web two point O site naming where [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► you had to like to spell everything [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► because it's LOL its it's like flickr [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► without the E and yeah I don't know who [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► also named sites like that [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► yeah who would then we respond to this [TS]

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00:16:21 ◼   ► it also has helpful conveniences like [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► 360-degree spinning wheels for you can [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► maneuver it easily and also they have a [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► built-in laundry bag for your dirty [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► laundry so as you're out some out [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► somewhere you travel you get to know [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► your you wear clothes you stuff mr. [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► laundry back when you're done you don't [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► have to like me like the pile of dirty [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► clothes in the hotel or whatever that [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► that's gross [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► use the built-in back it's so convenient [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► and you might have heard about it a [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► clinical teacher they have they have a [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► built-in battery in the carry-on model [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► so you can charge your cell phone your [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► tablet readers anything powered by USB a [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► single charge of the away carry on will [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► charge your phone 5 times it's just so [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► smart why doesn't everyone do this they [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► are truly designed for the modern age [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► they also of course back it up they have [TS]

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00:17:52 ◼   ► ah alright so let's start with some [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► follow-up if you can claim starting this [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► late from most important piece of [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► follow-up that I think we have which is [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► not in the list which makes John oh so [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► happy when i go off off off schedule [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► like this [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► I've heard a lot of feedback about my [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► shower habits and i have heard one piece [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► is the feedback that has disagreed with [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► me and said I am a barbarian for [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► showering at night and overwhelming [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► amount of feedback [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► probably because we've we've been hiding [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► in the shadows for all these years [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► ashamed that are at our own peculiar [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► ways dozens of us doesn't doesn't sound [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► like something with an overwhelming [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► amount of feedback including many people [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► making that same reference i have said [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► it is absolutely the only way to go [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► you must shower at night it is [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► disgusting to shower during during the [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► morning time and many people wrote in to [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► say i wanted i should've kept notes but [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► i believe was Japan it's just culturally [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► the way they do it is to shower at night [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► forgive news like every country outside [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the united states like how are [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► characterized the feedback was well [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► first of all still the vast majority of [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► the entire United States against kc and [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► they didn't write in because the silent [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► majority right probably true but [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► basically every other person wrote and [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► said in insert country that's not not [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► the United States everybody either [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► showers at night Sheriff [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► twice a day nobody wrote in from other [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► countries and said all we all shower in [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► the morning because maybe there's some [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► majority to but lots of people from many [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► different countries in Europe South [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► America Asia everywhere there are like [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► all we totally shower night but United [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► States nothing from them together okay [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► she's crazy and so they just let him be [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► there also were clear trends where [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► hotter countries would more often do it [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► and also it seemed more prevalent in [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Asia other places [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► yeah there's some people point out the [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► farther you get from Europe the more [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► showers people take someone who lives in [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► South America but ya know I'm hello [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► I didn't think it was anything up to [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► follow up and I think we thought we [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► covered all the bases but since Casey [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► insists on bringing out 10 here we go [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► one point that nobody brought out the [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► last time is like what i think is the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► obvious reason which again was instated [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► because we all know cases the outlier [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► here that the people shower in the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► morning is gets back to the the dilbert [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► comic strip with after your shower to [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► clean his object in your house right so [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► after your shower that's the claims [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► you're going to get you're just gonna [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► get sweaty or during the day if you [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► shower in the morning your interactions [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► with other people for your day for 925 [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► day present you at the cleanest because [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► you go for maximal cleanness slowly [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► degrading until five o'clock right those [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► are the best hours you give them the [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► hours here with that you know you're [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► working with other people if you shower [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► at night [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► you've got a good solid eight hours [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► sweating your bed before you meet the [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► first person the next day for work so [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► that's the obvious morning shower thing [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► and I'm assuming that's why everybody in [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► America showers in the morning you know [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► John there's these magical devices [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► they're called air conditioners and you [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► can turn them on and conditions vehicles [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► no because no one sweats at night at the [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► room is the right temperature something [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► like that I have some bad news for you / [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► your wife as you age about night sweats [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► John I love having the old man on the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► show to keep us keep us in check i love [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► how like this week like everyone else is [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► talking about apple earnings and we're [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► talking about showers again we'll get [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► that's just follow up in kc added this I [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► didn't have it [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► the notes case you wanted to bring it on [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► it's digging his own grave [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► john loves it when I just throw [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► something in at the last second chances [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► favorite also i'm going to rearrange the [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► show notes aspartame is a artificial [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► sweetener and Diet Coke not sucralose i [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► don't personally care whatever it is [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► it's freaking delicious and it was it [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► was mark over we got a wrong like [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► complaining about artificial sweeteners [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► I I knew exactly i knew that already but [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► it just it doesn't really like but I [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► didn't and it doesn't really matter it's [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► like the concept of an artificial [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► sweetener I made some reference to like [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► it causing cancer and of course then we [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► heard from everybody about how it does [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► it doesn't cause cancer and chemical [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► does or doesn't it doesn't but you're [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► making a joke I I took it as a joke but [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► i was able to get seriously which is [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► worth when I was making adjustments [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► that's not that's not a real thing don't [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► be afraid you should be afraid perhaps [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► of weight gain and some relation of [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► diabetes from drinking diet sodas lots [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► of studies in that like how could I so [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► cause you to gain weight 60 calories and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► how does that have anything to do with [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► diabetes with lots of studies around [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► that that do indicate there might be [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► something concerned about the cancer not [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► so much i mean in general training [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► yourself and your palate to not need all [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► of your drinks to be sweetened is always [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► a good thing because like basically like [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► you know for for purposes of like [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► calorie and sugar control the stupidest [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► thing you could possibly do is drink a [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► lot of calories like it's just the tear [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► it works so much against you is so [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► incredibly bad for you so like anything [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► that conditions you two still want all [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► your drinks to be sweet probably works [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► against you in that well in that way [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► even if one of the things you drink a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► zero calorie sweetener [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► yeah I don't know it still tastes [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► delicious and I'm good with that REM [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► cove and abandoned Basra rights in to [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► say once iOS 10.3 comes out [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► do you think it will be worth restoring [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► my iphone from scratch to get more a PFS [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► benefits and then he he he or she they [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► talked for a while about the HP HFS to a [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► PFS conversion you know is that good is [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► that bad [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► John as our resident filesystem expert [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► what do you think so what he's asking [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► about i think is like if you leave all [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► the data where it is just right all the [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► metadata [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► to new places maybe you have files that [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► are fragmented and other stuff like that [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► i'm not even sure if by the way hfs+ on [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► iOS does the auto defragmenting stuff [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► that they they added two hrs + years ago [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► like where we'll find files below a [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► certain size that are overly fragmented [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► in its spare time defragment them and [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► stuff but so was asking like would it be [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► ideally speaking to wipe your whole [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► phone reformatted days there's a PFS and [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► refill it with your data so that you [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► have fewer fragmented files and in [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► theory i think you could potentially get [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► a nicer less fragmented layout but I [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► don't think it would be anything that [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► you would notice and i think it actually [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► even be hard to measure because flash is [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► not a spinning disk and random access is [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► faster on flash than it is on spinning [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► disks and fragmentation even if they [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► don't have the auto defragment stuff [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► that's part of HFS plus it's probably [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► not that big of a concern so I don't I [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► think you would get some benefit that [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► maybe took great pains to measure it and [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► had a really threshold and compared it [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► with a fresh one you would see but it's [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► definitely not worth people doing so [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► just let convert in place it and it'll [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► be fine [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► so that's that's my advice cool [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► oh and there's a question about whether [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► a PFS will be open source like hfs+ is [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► kinda sorta and what Apple has said [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► about that is they're going to document [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► the board they say the volume format [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► yeah the volume specification so they're [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► going to put a document for that that's [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► not the source code that's just like [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► telling you hey here's how the bits are [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► discs and all they say is an open-source [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► implementation is not available at this [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► time didn't say anything about the [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► future but who knows [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► I so basically somebody else could [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► theoretically make a third party tool or [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► driver to at least read aps volumes and [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► probably also write them but you [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► probably wouldn't want to rely on it [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► kind of like the whole like mac on [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► windows and ntfs on Matt kind of things [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► yeah I'm like that you can see the HFS [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► plus code which is you know very helpful [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► for all my [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► most interviews like it's all in the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► Darwin source repository but a PFS I'm [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► not sure there's a big benefit to them [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► open sourcing because it's not like I'm [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► like Swift I don't think they want a PFS [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► take over the world instead I think they [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► wanted to be a custom-tailored operators [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► isn't just for their devices that [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► they're free to change in any way they [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► want and I bet they will [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► and I don't know if anybody else has the [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► exact needs that Apple has like if you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► look at the features of aps they are [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► exist including the ones that are you [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► know fancy new features all the other [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► features like having like / file [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► encryption keys and forgoing a lot of [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► these ETFs data integrity features and [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► stuff are so tailored to apple specific [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► needs because it needs that encryption [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► stuff for what it already doesn't iOS [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► outside the file system now and it can't [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► have the heavyweight stuff because I [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► asked around and watch and like I don't [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► know anyone else has those exact needs [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► so it's not really a general-purpose pc [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► your server file system it is a specific [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► purpose Apple file system has its name [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► awkwardly implies response to this week [TS]

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00:27:59 ◼   ► show ah so just was yesterday as we [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► record apple announced their what is [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► first-quarter earnings if I get this [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► right i believe that's right [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► so things are going well as it turns out [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► will link to a summary by Jason smell at [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► six colors and as long as you don't like [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► the ipad things are mostly okay i don't [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► know i don't really have a lot to add on [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► this I've been really busy so I haven't [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► dug into this deeply Marco any thoughts [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► on this [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► I mean I think it's probably best that [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► we leave most of the discussion of this [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► to other podcast with people who do this [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► kind of like business he type of [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► reporting more often but for the most [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► part it is it is useful to just see [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► general trends of how things are going [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► for Apple even if we aren't directly [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► investing in ourselves or care about the [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► stock price like a night I used to have [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► apple stock of a couple years ago at [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► least if not more but I i have since [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► stopped buying and selling any [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► individual stocks and sold off all the [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► ones i had and now I just invest if [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► you're like mutual funds and things like [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► that that might have it but I'm not [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► directly investing so that's a [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► disclosure there and honestly I think [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► it's just a friend to friend here this [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► is not investment advice whatever [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► whatever however I think investing [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► individual stocks with a substantial [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► portion of your money is is a fool's [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► game anyway I think looking at it as [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► general trends for apple and as Apple [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► watchers and Apple fans it is useful to [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► see like these kind of numbers are what [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► Tim Cook is graded on by the board by [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► investors and so it [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► optimizing for these numbers is a large [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► part of of cooks goals you know whether [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► whether he has other goals or you know [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it's for product quality and new [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► initiatives things like that that you [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► know that's all you know [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► Vega nobles to the balance there however [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► we do know for sure that it is very [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► important that Tim Cook keeps these [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► numbers looking healthy for the board [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► for investors and that does drive [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► product [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► decisions on some level again like [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► whether it's like a high priority in his [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► mind we can't know that's up to him but [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► it is useful to pay attention to what's [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► going on here to see trends in what's [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► working for apple and what's not working [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► for apple and where they need growth and [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► that can help inform our predictions and [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► our opinions and and our interpretations [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► of what Apple does so you know in in [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► these earnings the iphones doing great [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► it seems like it has kind of recovered [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► from the weird boost and then slight dip [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► that it had with the seemingly like [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► related to the massive success of the [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► iphone 6 and 6 plus it seems like its [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► kind of back on a regular track now of [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► steady growth so that's good for the [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► iphone the iphone seems like it's fine [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► that's good for good for it the mac [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► division is probably the least [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► interesting it's up a little bit but [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► it's within within normal realm so max [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► seems like steady healthy not set her on [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► fire and that's to be expected after a [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► year of having very few Mac releases [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► then in his quarters when the new [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► macbook pros became available so that [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► helped boost those for sure you can see [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► that in the graphs and like things like [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► average selling price and everything [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► because he ever selling pressure the [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► back took a big hike up words [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► that's not a coincidence in the quarter [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► in which they release a whole bunch of [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► more expensive laptops that were [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► significantly more expensive than what [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► they replaced that is probably one of [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► the reasons why to make that up a little [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► bit services are doing really well their [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► services revenue is up by a good amount [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► that's interesting because like that it [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► seems like that is that is a major part [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► of their of their future growth that [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► they're going to want to boost up so [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► that might include things like you know [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► maybe we're not going to see a whole [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► bunch of Cheaper iCloud storage this [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► coming fall or summer or whatever else [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► maybe we are going to see more ways that [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► we can give Apple money every month more [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► services more premium tears things like [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► that displays into things like what [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► Apple music is doing and they're there [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► possible video efforts that they're [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► hinting at or or saying very little [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► about things like that so expect to see [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► Apple because services of the wine is [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► going up and is now a decent number [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► expect to see Apple [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► putting more into services and trying to [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► make more from us from services so you [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► know Tim Cook is really good at this [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► he's really good at taking existing [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► market that's doing pretty well and [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► turning the screws so they make more [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► from each person that's why the iphones [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► now have two sizes and one of them cost [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► a hundred bucks more than the other one [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► and all the based or just stuck for so [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► long because Tim Cook is really good at [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► pushing the average selling prices up up [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► to try to make more money from each new [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► person that's why things like you know [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► ipad cases are so much more expensive [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► than they were in that the two parts and [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► all this studying you have like a [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► hundred our battery back for the iphone [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► now and all these different things you [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► know this this is why i like you know it [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► wasn't an accident and this is [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► definitely why the new macbook pros cost [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► so much more than doubles anyway so [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► expect to see tightening the screws and [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► boosts in the services area so we're [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► probably going to see again more ways we [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► can spend money on Apple every month [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► coming this fall or summer whatever else [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► and then the other thing is the ipad and [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► the ipad is down again and not by a [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► small amount either it's it's still [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► going to be efficiently down [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► it's kind of hard to explain [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► everyone has their own theories everyone [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► has you know some people say Apple is [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► not telling the right story whatever [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► that means I I honestly don't really get [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► that argument to be some people say that [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► that I've had just last so long and and [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► therefore people don't replace them very [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► often and some people think that the [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► ipad is so is a flop in some way and [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► that nobody likes tablets anymore i [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► think the truth is probably a [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► combination of all of these things and I [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► guess we were probably going to talk [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► more about that for the rest of the show [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► so i will move on from that for now and [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► then the watch is kind of buried [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► somewhere and other and we don't have [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► any numbers about the watch [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► except Tim Cook says it was the best [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► quarter ever for the watch so good on a [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► business chart that is now the highest [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► bar on access that has no label so good [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► for the Apple watch their their quote [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► other revenue that the Apple watch is [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► buried in didn't take a huge jump so I [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► don't it doesn't seem to get into making [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► it moving new [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► watch on revenue for the company but oh [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► well we are analysts maybe I'm missing [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► something there but you know it's [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► probably doing fine we just make the [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► services thing is awesome doom-and-gloom [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► about like go look at their services are [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► growing there for apples not gonna lower [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► prices on iCloud storage i got that will [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► make the connection at all like services [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► is all about getting more people to pay [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► apple on a recurring basis for something [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► anything one way to do that is to lower [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► the price because if you can lower the [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► price by half but getting more than [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► double the number of people to sign up [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► for it then it works out and as a lot of [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► things buried in services not just you [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► know when you say services a lot of [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► people think you just mean I cloud or [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► like the app stores in there which is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► one of the reasons everything is going [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► out then Apple music which is has been [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► back filling for the itunes music store [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► downloads that sort of disappeared many [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► years ago and now they're you know [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► apples finally getting to streaming and [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► it's the idea that Apple has all these [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► customers [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► surely there's some way Apple can [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► monetize them by making them pay some [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► small amount for each one of these [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► little things and trying to get kinda [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► like the original video content doing it [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► by attaching the original video content [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► to Apple music that basically is trying [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► to get more people to sign a problem [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► music why because I think once they get [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► you on the Apple music thing you're just [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► used to having all the music helps you [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► you just keep paying this month after [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► month and I think to entice more people [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► to like you know how many people pay for [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► iCloud storage whatever the percentage [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► is now if it's not really really high [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► like a ninety-percent Apple must be [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► thinking we could get more people to pay [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► for iCloud storage [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► let me look at what the numbers are [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► actually we've been overcharging by [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► ridiculous amount as everybody knows [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► when compared to other cloud vendors why [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► don't we just bumped that or lower the [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► price or both and then we'll get more [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► people on board and by the way let's [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► attach some original video content [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► iCloud storage and she don't like that [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► that the things they're willing to do to [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► get to entice people to sign up for in [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► our online pearls another eel are [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► boundless and seemingly don't have to be [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► that well related because the idea of [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► offering exclusive like essentially [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► television video content to get people [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► to sign up for Apple music doesn't make [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► any sense except that hey if there's [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► something you want and the only way to [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► get it is to do this you'll do it like [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► its sole reason people sign up for [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► amazon prime's they can watch man in the [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► high castle [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► what is man [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► cast off to do with getting free [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► shipping from amazon com four rolls of [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► toilet paper [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► nothing but you'll do what it takes to [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► get the content right and this is this [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► is a weird deal but people have shown [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► that it works if you give them something [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► they want they will sign up for [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► something they don't want just to get [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► the thing about how i did it i sign up [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► for YouTube red just so i could or i [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► sent for google play music just like at [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► YouTube red on a family plan i don't use [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► google play music I don't get sitting on [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► my phone but I never actually launched [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► it is just so I don't you see ads on [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► YouTube it's a tried-and-true technique [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► which is not ideal for consumers [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► perspective but people love recurring [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► revenue [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► yeah i mean i i'm slightly surprised [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► wilton I'll guess I'll stick with it i'm [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► slightly surprised that things are going [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► over all is well as they are I mean [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► obviously on this show we've talked a [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► lot about how we feel like things are [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► not the way they once were and i think [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► the three of us have varying degrees of [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► how dire everything maybe but I mean [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► this was their best quarter ever i mean [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► i'm looking at the very first chart on [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► Jason Snell's post and the the most [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► recent quarter or 78.4 billion and the [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► nearest one was the prior holiday [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► quarter or first-quarter I guess which [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► is over the holidays which was seventy [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► five point nine billion so i mean that's [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► that's what two-and-a-half billion [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► dollars different something like that i [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► mean that's a big difference in things [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► are split up percentage-wise look at the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► slopes on this graph like gravel growth [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► is still slow especially look at the [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► year-over-year revenue like the reason [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► this is a big deal because they're [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► coming out of three consecutive negative [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► year-over-year revenue growth quarters [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► it's like a we're back we're back in the [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► black we're back positive we made more [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► money in this quarter this year than we [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► did last year but you can kind of see if [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► you look at those if you look like [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► especially the big holiday quarters 46 [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► 5457 the slope of that line versus 74 75 [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► 78 right yesterday bro that growth is [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► still slowing an apple right and that's [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► something they have to deal with but i [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► mean i think is in line with everything [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► we said on the show we've just been [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► disproportionately focused on our [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► dissatisfaction with the macbook when we [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► all were asked to pick what is your [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► favorite apple product this year I [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► didn't we all pick the iphone 7 [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► I think so although now i would say air [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► pods but at the time when like when we [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► are maybe you'd say our part don't know [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► but I think Marco I the very least the [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► iphone 7 iphone 7 is a great phone and [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► it doesn't surprise me that it sold well [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► you know headphone jack whatever it is [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► is a is a good phone is a tried-and-true [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► think it's it's the third attempt at the [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► same form factor it has better battery [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► life they you know they worked out all [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► the issues they could possibly work out [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► the the weird home button and the [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► waterproofing and I like everything [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► about it is a good phone and I've always [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► said they've you know they're doing very [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► well in the phone space and because if [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► you look at the giant pacman chart and [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► you see the little do the pacman shape [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► wedge it is the iphone eating the rest [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► of Apple's products if the phone does [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► well Apple does well and that totally [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► Dwarfs any but whatever the ipad some [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► sort of problems there that's lost in [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► the noise service revenue keeps going up [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► and the mac continues doing what it does [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► and that the little hike in the graph [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► like a mac SP is going up because I [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► cranked up the price of the max it's [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► like the old macbook for the past few [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► years it's been like produce pent-up [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► demand by not releasing new computers [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► and then whatever the hell you release [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► people will buy and if what you release [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► is 500 bucks more than used to be your [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► isp's will go up so it's not i don't [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► think that's a healthy situation that's [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► what happened [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► yeah yeah and i like it like Marcus I [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► don't know how much more analysis we [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► should really be doing on this but I'm [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► sad about the ipad it's funny I'm I [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► don't know if we've talked about this on [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► the show I don't think so but I've been [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► flirting with the idea of getting a [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► macbook adorable whenever the presumably [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► pending refresh happens although with [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► these with the way Apple as these days i [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► guess i should never assume refresh is [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► coming but i know i i'm i really love my [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► my ipad mini and I have the most modern [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► one which was brand-new or nearly brand [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► new not this past Christmas with [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► Christmas prior i really love my ipad [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► mini i really like that form factor i [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► know a lot of people don't that's fine [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► but i can't help personally but feel [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► like anytime I want to do anything like [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► look at twitter and I don't want to get [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► into like the consumption versus [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► creation to be but anytime I want to do [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► anything other than [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► glance at twitter RSS or something like [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► that I feel like I'm fighting the device [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► i feel like i'm fighting iOS and so I've [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► really been debating you know maybe a [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► macbook adorable would be a better fix [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► for this problem because it would also [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► be very portable not as portable but [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► very portable and it would do everything [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► a man could do maybe not as fast as [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► other max but that's why i have a 5k [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► that i'm speaking on right now and it [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► would it would probably be a really good [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► compromise and somebody tweeted I think [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► earlier today and I don't recall who was [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► but somebody had said earlier today [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► anyway that you know if you think about [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► it the macs are getting more in more in [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► more portable and the iPads aren't that [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► different than they were a few years ago [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► the software is a lot better [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► multitasking is a lot better even my [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► ipad mini can do the multitasking but I [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► feel like the change in portability of [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► the most portable max is dramatically [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► better as compared to the change in [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► ability of iOS on an iPad and so that's [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► led me to wonder you know maybe I should [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► just get a macbook adorable as a super [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► portable travel machine because that [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► might fit my needs even better and so I [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► use this all and the reason I bring this [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► up is because it's a case study of why [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► maybe the ipad isn't doing that great [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► and as Mark alluded to there's probably [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► a billion other reasons but any [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► immediate any immediate thoughts on that [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► before we get too far down the rabbit [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► hole [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► I don't they go Matt could replace my [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► ipad usage for me and I think that's [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► probably true of most people put big [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► maybe you're using an iPad because no [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► Mac was portable enough but for people [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► who are using iPads for ipad I purposes [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► like there is no Mac even if there was [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► Mac exactly the same size and weight as [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► my ipad i still wouldn't use it because [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► I don't need a trackpad I want to touch [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► the screen [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► I don't want to deal with the keyboard [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► like I want an ipad for what for what I [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► do ipad stuff or just you know [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► browsing the web or reading Twitter or [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► watching video i want an ipad right so [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► there's no substitute for [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► the mac for that the ipad sales stuff [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► like that you know that we shouldn't do [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► this rattle off the reasons we've talked [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► about all the other things on Marco talk [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► about them in his post about the ipad [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► one of the most compelling ones aside [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► from my path lasting forever is if [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► people just use the iPads to watch video [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► you want to spend eight hundred dollars [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► to watch video on a little square the [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► screen right yet that's a loser market [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► the apples and that can't stake out the [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► high end of square screens that play [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► video because there is no high end of it [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► that is that is doomed to a low-end [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► thing all you need is some basic Wi-Fi [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► functionality a reasonable cpu with some [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► video decoding hardware and the ability [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► to run the amazon prime and netflix apps [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► right there at their Amazon tablets for [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► that their android tablets that you do [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► not need an ipad to watch netflix i [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► promise you right and so that's what [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► you're doing with your ipad i think [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► people like tablets for that purpose but [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► you don't need an ipad for that and the [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► other thrust of was the title of your [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► article Marco the future of computing oh [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► yeah so we've got our was on the show [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► before on us remind Marco once again [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► because apparently I was their combined [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► before he wrote this post but every time [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► we discussed that I take great pains to [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► emphasize the idea that the ipad as a [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► specific product as made by apple as [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► exists now may not necessarily be the [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► product that that sweeps across the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► market and becomes the most important [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► thing but when I specifically talk about [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► the future of computing with capital F [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► capital see what I'm talking about is [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► post-pc computing which means computing [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► without as many of the concerns that [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► have necessarily come with pcs which [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► includes dealing with Windows menus [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► pointers file systems like all that [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► stuff and as compared to iOS which swept [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► all that stuff on the table and [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► abstracted and hit so much of it that is [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► the future of computing because people [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► can't handle pcs in general and dealing [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► with file systems and their files and [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► windows of this just it's too much on [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► the iOS or smartphone whatever interface [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► where they take away almost all that [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► complexity and massively simplified and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► protect you from yourself that is the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► future of computing unquestionably the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► question is okay how does that manifest [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► doesn't manifest by mac OS lo [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► removing all the functionality doesn't [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► manifest by windows becoming this mutant [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► hybrid thing doesn't manifest bye-bye [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► android taking over the world order to [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► manifest by apple introduced in the ipad [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► it's up-and-coming on each one of those [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► products to figure out how they get [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► there but you know you it's not it's [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► like saying well the mac and successful [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► so let's all go back to us [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► nope that's not the answer but like you [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► know you can see what the future is [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► because we've all lived in our entire [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► lives and seeing how badly [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► humans are at dealing with pcs with all [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► the stuff they come with and then iOS [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► showed us a way to get a computing [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► platform with almost all that stuff gone [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► and now we're just hanging out yeah but [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► what about like the stuff he can't do [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► and the ipad thus far has been doing as [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► Marco points out not a great job of [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► showing you how you can get that same [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► stuff done without the complications but [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► it's very clear that without the [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► complications that is so much more [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► accessible because everybody has [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► smartphones and nobody deals with any of [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► that weird PC crap on their smartphones [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► like everything is just so much simpler [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► and easier and easy-to-use which is why [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► smartphones that raced across the entire [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► world and a tablet is just basically up [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► your smartphone in terms of how hard it [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► is to use at this point that has to [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► change if you ever want a capital a [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► capital C future computing to actually [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► marginalize the pc to push it down into [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► the specific realms where it will have [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► to remain right but it's that hasn't [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► happened yet [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► microsoft trying to do with service to [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► do apple sort of trying to do with the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► ipad pro but half-heartedly is android [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► doing anything in the space i don't know [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► i mean maybe account Chromebooks is an [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► attempt to get out away from the the [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► some of the other that the dangers of [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► PCs but like doing a very good job but [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► but anyway that's that's the future [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► computer we all believe in and what we [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► what Apple should be what we should be [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► creating an apple is like you're blowing [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► you are not achieving that you you want [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► to have your cake but you know it's a [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► terrible anyway they want to thank you [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► but it's the it's the ipad and it's [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► simple like your phones like yes it is [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► and you use your place you bc it's like [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► well can we write and you know it it [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► Apple has to show us how to do that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► because there are things we need to do [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► and we need to be able to do them and [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► they need to be pleasant just like yeah [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► web browsing [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► previously we were not able to do web [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► browsing our phones [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► or it was incredibly unpleasant and [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► apple said no actually you can do web [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► browsing on a tablet and phone and I [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► think we would all agree the browsing [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► the web on a tablet is super pleasant it [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► in many many ways nicer than doing it on [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► a pc if only because you can be sitting [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► on the couch and looking back and using [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► your fingers like more like flipping [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► through a magazine web browsing you've [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► nailed that ipad but as Marco point out [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► a million other things like whether [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► before editing a podcaster using [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► photoshop or dealing with a complicated [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► projects that span lots of different [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► applications and share data you know the [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► typical piece at keysight stuff I it [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► hasn't yet been demonstrated that were [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► able to do all those things in the same [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► way so everyone else is a contender the [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► mac is still contender for the future of [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► computing provided Apple was willing to [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► remove all the functionality we know and [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► love about the mac which I hope they [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► never do but that that's one way you [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► could try to get there you can try to [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► get there like Microsoft bye-bye weirdly [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► more from your desktop OS into a hybrid [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► OS does both things at once and you know [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► who knows how we get there but iOS such [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► a stake in the ground is to say it's [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► obvious that in the future [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► no one wants to deal with the crap that [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► we deal with on Macs and PCs today like [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► that is not the future of computing we [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► have to leave that behind but so far the [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► ipad has not been a compelling argument [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► that and there was one other graph [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► that's not in Jason's smells page that [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► work out here in six colors calm which [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► will put in the show notes that has tons [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► and tons of pretty graphs one page that [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► I think maybe Horace tweeted or [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► something [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► it's showing a graphs of days of the [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► week like average days of the week usage [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► time for what was it for smart phones [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► and pcs and the smart phone line is like [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► this little lumpy thing that goes along [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► right you don't see any particular large [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► trends there and the pc thing goes [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► monday through friday huge dip saturday [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► and sunday and backup for monday through [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► friday huge dip saturday and sunday [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► which is something that people use pcs [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► the weekends right and what are they not [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► on the weekends they're not at work so [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► maybe they're using PC's at work or [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► maybe the only considers pc is a work [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► like thing but the phones they use all [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► the time I feel like if the ipad curve [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► was shown it would look more like the [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► phone cover unless like to PC curve [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► because people aren't for the most part [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► doing [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► work on their iPad the iPad curve would [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► just be like i use the same at pretty [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► much every day it would be like the [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► weekends here i'm not going to be my [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► iPad because he was my pad for work [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► you'll know that's the idea that the [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► ipad or any other pc replacement device [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► or post-pc devices finally useful for [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► all the same thing species are when it [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► starts to get the same curve because [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► everyone's got to do some work and a lot [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► of people do work involving some kind of [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► task with computing and if they're still [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► doing that on personal computer type [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► devices minutes it could be lagging [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► indicator so maybe we have to wait a few [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► more years but right now think of the [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► number of people you know every day go [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► to work and just use a tablet of any [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► kind as opposed to pci no way more pc [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► users maybe because all my friends are [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► old but keep an eye on that I mean I [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► think what we're seeing that I think the [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► right way to interpret the ipad and the [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► future of computing and everything else [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► is probably something between the crazy [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► blog post i made and the argument that [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► John is making and the argument that [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Jason snow made on upgrade this week you [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► know that the future of computing is not [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► going to be just one of these types of [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► things it's not going to be just tablets [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► and it's not going to be just computers [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► my argument is not that the ipad is [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► failing as a thing or that it's going [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► away or that useless to everybody [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► my argument is simply that when when [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► people say this is the future of [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► computing what they usually mean by that [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► is going to replace the pc style [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► computer you know I'm again I mean pcs [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► and macs and that basically mean nothing [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► for the most part in laptops and you [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► know other desktops and things that run [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► windows or mac OS like or linux even [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► like pc-style os's and i think that the [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► most likely outcome here is that the as [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► is a tablets event of all sorts are not [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► going to replace pcs they are going to [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► do what they've been doing which is add [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► to them augment them they're going to be [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► some people who only primarily like [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► tablets is going to be some people that [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► only are primarily like pcs they're not [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► going to actually replace each other in [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► either direction [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► well the only way that will happen i [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► don't think you can do that I think [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► you can have them not replace them [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► unless pcs essentially become [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► essentially adopt all the attributes [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► that I was just discussing of iOS style [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► computing like in other words pcs would [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► have to abandon all the weird-ass [TS]

00:52:22 ◼   ► crafted regular people don't like and [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► can handle about pcs i like because they [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► can't they can't stay in a current state [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► of like with all the legacy stuff that [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► the PCOS have to deal with that is an [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► untenable situation because people can't [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► use them and people can use phones and [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► so something something is going to [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► marginalize current style pcs whether [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► it's the pieces themselves changing [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► because it totally could be like you [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► could take any of those opportunities [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► operating systems you listed and slowly [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► basically I OSFI them while leaving [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► enough of the functionality still there [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► you know for showing through so you can [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► get more stuff done and you can an ipad [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► for example but you can't leave it there [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► it's again it's like going back two dots [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► like saying well I can't do everything I [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► was mad that I can do it on my pc with [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► das therefore it's a dead-end people [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► just you keep using the last forever [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► they won't like you the capabilities of [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► the GUI will eventually expand to do [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► enough of the things you know so I like [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► I i don't think there is any situation [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► where the pc as exists today with all [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► this legacy concerns does not become [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► marginalizing the future is just a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► question of what marginalize it like not [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► disappear but marginalized like it in [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► the same way that you know people using [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► the command line still tons of people [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► looking online today I use it every day [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► but it's marginalized i'm not entirely [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► sure that your premises are our sound [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► here so problem number one is that you [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► said people can't figure out how to use [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► pcs but they can use their phones do we [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► actually know that it is that is [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► actually a thing like our pcs really as [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► hard as as we think they're to use and [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► then our phones as easy as you think [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► they are to use or is that cap actually [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► smaller than what we might think oh it's [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► big [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► go go find someone who has a pc whether [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► at work or at home even and just look at [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► it that's all I was just just look at it [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► just to sit watch them use it and see [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► what's on it and see what state it's in [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► and ask them to use to do something and [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► yes people have trouble with phones too [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► it's a relative thing but one is so much [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► easier than the other [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► don't you know one is not infinitely [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► easy and one is not infinitely hard and [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► yes you can learn to use anything but [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► you have to get rid of those things that [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► people don't like to to be concerned [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► about it means the reason people love [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► the phone so much they took away so many [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► things that they have to worry about [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► right let's make let's on Android but I [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► don't know about this village on the big [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► reasons that's always in your pocket and [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► it has these awesome cameras and sensors [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► and always data connections like there's [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► a lot about phones to love that don't [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► have to do with the usability paradigm [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► of their software but people people use [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► that people can do things with their [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► phones that the pcs could also do but [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► they never did with the pcs because it [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► was too much of a pain even just down to [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► like installing software so easy on [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► phones hard enough on on personal [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► computers and so fraught on personal [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► computers because of lack of the app [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► store and viruses and all sorts of stuff [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► like that that people didn't attempt it [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► or accidentally attempted to backside [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► clicking on things installed browser [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► toolbars and crap like that you know [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► like well all the crap of the pc world [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► makes it so people even if they were [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► equally easy to use it would say well [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► the this feels safer [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► suddenly i'm installing software all the [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► cool new app I'm gonna try it no no one [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► regular people were not discussing cool [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► new apps for their pcs only nerds for [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► that alone is resting a huge I think [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► you're describing android is that maybe [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► less than 100 even android if you like [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► the disposability phones like well my [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► phone is hosed I like you know the fact [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► that normalize backups and the anything [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► to nobody essentially nobody did to [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► their personal computers but because of [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► cloud backup cell phone stuff built in [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► more people have a shot at having some [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► kind of backup of something somewhere on [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► their phones where species like forget [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► it no your backups might as well not [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► exist as far as the non nerd world is [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► concerned [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► well and and so I think there's this [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► continuum here you know like you [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► mentioned like you command line all the [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► way up all the way up to like gooey and [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► phone when you're in the the more [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► command line side of it the more [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► difficult side of it getting getting [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► like productivity and power user type [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► tasks done is it possibly easier than on [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► the easy devices but casual use harder [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► and then on the on the devices like [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► phones and iPads getting productivity [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► and power use type things done is [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► actually hard to figure out but casual [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► users easier [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► somewhere in the middle there is the pc [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► style OS it pieces are lessons are you [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► know they they kind of try to be [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► everything I think we are generally much [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► better using them for productivity type [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► things in Paris type things and that's [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► partially because most productivity and [TS]