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  the incomparable [TS]

  number 330 a pastor larry 27 welcome [TS]

  back everybody to the uncomfortable i'm [TS]

  your host Jason Steele we're here to [TS]

  talk about v for vendetta [TS]

  this is a comic from the eighties by [TS]

  Alan Moore and David Lloyd over many [TS]

  years in the eighties it was actually [TS]

  like a few of the album or earlier more [TS]

  projects sort of stopped and then had to [TS]

  be restarted a few years later and they [TS]

  were unpublished issues but the beauty [TS]

  of it is in the end they collected it is [TS]

  it as a giant trade paperback that has [TS]

  the whole thing in it and so if you have [TS]

  been if you read it at any point after [TS]

  the late eighties you've probably read [TS]

  it in book form which is well I think [TS]

  the best way to read and we are you know [TS]

  we'll talk about that maybe a little bit [TS]

  for those who on the panel who who read [TS]

  it and we'll also talk about the film [TS]

  which is a much more accessible in many [TS]

  ways from 2005 directed by james [TS]

  McTeague who is a longtime collaborator [TS]

  of the Wachowskis they didn't direct it [TS]

  because they had James matete do it but [TS]

  they did write it and produce it so [TS]

  there's a lot of which house key in be [TS]

  for vendetta as well of course the movie [TS]

  stars natalie portman and hugo weaving [TS]

  in a very interesting performance in so [TS]

  many ways like trivia question [TS]

  interesting as well as I think good let [TS]

  me introduce my panelists we're going to [TS]

  talk about the data with me because [TS]

  that's something i should probably do [TS]

  laughing there why not have her go first [TS]

  with Briana well hello hey what's up by [TS]

  jason still you know not much not much [TS]

  going on the current events kind of [TS]

  quiet yeah yeah so I thought you just [TS]

  dip into the past into the mid-2004 a [TS]

  movie pic ships others also here hi chip [TS]

  hi there this was the most unexpected [TS]

  use of the benny hill music I ever haha [TS]

  i have comments about that scene a [TS]

  little bit but we'll get to brian [TS]

  hamilton is also here hi Brian tell me [TS]

  Jason do you like music uh yeah sure [TS]

  music is fine [TS]

  boom explosion guy English is here it's [TS]

  been a little while high guy welcome [TS]

  back [TS]

  hey it's really nice to be here i miss [TS]

  you [TS]

  we missed you too yeah yeah [TS]

  well you know what for three years I had [TS]

  Moses and apologize to no one [TS]

  alright and fill most lachrymose well I [TS]

  didn't know guy was gonna be here but [TS]

  I'll still stay anyway cases this is [TS]

  strength through unity you got tricked [TS]

  we totally got tricked into this [TS]

  yeah I I didn't tell anybody guy would [TS]

  be here because i wanted i wanted to the [TS]

  whole panel to show up so surprised [TS]

  so how so how many of you have read the [TS]

  comic I'm curious [TS]

  oh absolutely yeah i've read it when it [TS]

  was first coming out [TS]

  wow yeah me too i walked into ides [TS]

  comics in pittsburgh and loved the [TS]

  artwork and was fascinated by it and [TS]

  never read it interesting and Brian's [TS]

  can stay here and play listen while [TS]

  everyone else talks about the comic [TS]

  comic is it is a lot and it's very dense [TS]

  it's you know it's really more because [TS]

  it started in 80-82 it's fairly early [TS]

  its it really reminded me of a lot of [TS]

  comics published in England in that [TS]

  period that I've read it had at the art [TS]

  style really look like that it's it and [TS]

  it's super dense and because it was [TS]

  published in the eighties the the [TS]

  publishing like the color and contrast [TS]

  techniques I i was trying to read this [TS]

  in a dimly lit room and was literally [TS]

  unable to read it i had to get my ID to [TS]

  turn on a bright light in order to see [TS]

  it because the it is you know it that's [TS]

  just the the nature of the publishing [TS]

  medium in that in that time especially I [TS]

  was originally black and white so on top [TS]

  of that they're there colorizing black [TS]

  and white art and that's it's a bit of a [TS]

  rough go [TS]

  yeah yeah it is step for people who have [TS]

  seen the movie what you should know [TS]

  about the comic i mean i-i think it's [TS]

  good it is super dense it to the point [TS]

  where i was reading a couple of articles [TS]

  about how they felt like you know it's [TS]

  what exactly what you'd expect which is [TS]

  a look at allen more comic adaptation [TS]

  first off he took his name off the movie [TS]

  because he takes his name off every [TS]

  every movie but a lot of people will be [TS]

  like oh well you know it's it's the [TS]

  movie is so simplified compared to the [TS]

  comic and it's true the comic is so the [TS]

  comic is so dense so much happens in the [TS]

  comic that the streamlining they had to [TS]

  do a tremendous amount of streamlining [TS]

  for the movie but you know that there [TS]

  are [TS]

  the shape of it and specific memorable [TS]

  scenes in it are reflected in in the [TS]

  movie as well I came to the movie first [TS]

  and went back and read the comics yeah I [TS]

  i did the same thing in the comic yeah I [TS]

  i see the brilliance there but it's like [TS]

  an eel students and you know novel in [TS]

  the sense it's so big and it's so dense [TS]

  it so would like benefit from editing [TS]

  it's just a hot mess right out [TS]

  I think it's worth remembering that at [TS]

  the time comics were directed and alan [TS]

  moore almost single-handedly Alan what a [TS]

  bunch of other British people from [TS]

  Thatcher's England sort of recreate the [TS]

  art form in a lot of ways everything we [TS]

  know about that man now came out of that [TS]

  basically when you can see the [TS]

  techniques that are used to use for [TS]

  years later and watch men at work at you [TS]

  which is better like heat you know he [TS]

  learned any girl and yeah it's dense yes [TS]

  it's difficult [TS]

  yes certainly going back to try to beat [TS]

  it is is hard i personally love the [TS]

  movie I didn't really like the watch [TS]

  movie which is a comic book nerds are [TS]

  gonna take my card guys touching the [TS]

  third well no I i'm with you guys i'm [TS]

  with you i like it and you know what [TS]

  Alan Moore loves the medium of comic [TS]

  books he loves it and he is an artist in [TS]

  that medium and what he's good at is [TS]

  leveraging that so when you take that [TS]

  work and you put in a different medium [TS]

  by necessity you must omit various [TS]

  aspects of it and i think particularly [TS]

  this movie but even watch me too but [TS]

  particularly this movie is very strong [TS]

  film based off of that the same ideas [TS]

  and and the root the root of the story [TS]

  that he was trying to tell them beefing [TS]

  data and this was one of the craziest [TS]

  for in the way of comic book movies that [TS]

  was adapted for the for film that was [TS]

  way different than anything anybody had [TS]

  seen like I mean hugo weaving is i mean [TS]

  we're talking obviously about this but [TS]

  like the fact that he has a mask on for [TS]

  the entire film is literally unheard of [TS]

  i am hosting this entire show wearing a [TS]

  mask and you can only hear my voice you [TS]

  can see my face at all just throwing it [TS]

  out there beautiful [TS]

  it's an honor [TS]

  yeah no it'sit's it's amazing will get [TS]

  there i was going to say something about [TS]

  the way the story is told that you know [TS]

  it has this meandering history it was a [TS]

  comic in a in a larger collection which [TS]

  is something that happened in the UK [TS]

  where they be a magazine that would have [TS]

  different stories in it and warrior [TS]

  magazine yes so you get the i want to [TS]

  say it's almost de ken zijn in the sense [TS]

  that these AR installments and I think [TS]

  you know the way I think more had an [TS]

  endgame in mind but one of the reasons [TS]

  that you have to do some work when you [TS]

  turn this into a movie is because the [TS]

  comic is episodic it is stretched out it [TS]

  can meander it can go in lots of [TS]

  different twists and turns and take a [TS]

  long time because not only is it like [TS]

  any comic an issue by issue sort of [TS]

  thing it wasn't done as a novel but in [TS]

  addition to that it was done in small [TS]

  installments inside another magazine and [TS]

  then it got a delay and then it got you [TS]

  know published years later some of those [TS]

  things got so it ended up being a very [TS]

  stretched out narrative I'm sure when [TS]

  most says you know it you could be i [TS]

  think was most maybe was guide when you [TS]

  say almost like a rough draft and it [TS]

  could be tightened I mean that's the [TS]

  problem of writing in installments is [TS]

  you don't get to go back and make [TS]

  changes so it is sprawling and [TS]

  meandering in a way that that that a [TS]

  movie you would never choose if you [TS]

  could do a rewrite of the whole thing [TS]

  when you were done but comics at work [TS]

  like that not only installments but it [TS]

  also just it brackets it brackets [TS]

  watchman the first two parts of the book [TS]

  were written between in the early [TS]

  eighties not booked and released like 80 [TS]

  to 85 and then I believe warrior folded [TS]

  so look the the comic is divided into 3 [TS]

  into 3 books and the first two made it [TS]

  into warrior then the story just stops [TS]

  more makes a name for himself at DC with [TS]

  Swamp Thing and other stuff watch men [TS]

  becomes a thing and DC gives more the [TS]

  opportunity to finish v for vendetta [TS]

  with the third book which was written so [TS]

  much later so it's not just episodic but [TS]

  it's it's it's it's it's free [TS]

  admitted at least in terms of the [TS]

  morning he had to get back into his head [TS]

  space to write the thing [TS]

  yeah I came in for the third book i was [TS]

  working at the comic store at the time [TS]

  and when that came out and it was like [TS]

  mind-blowing for everybody but it's like [TS]

  in in some ways it's like tell me the [TS]

  story spider-man and Jason know your big [TS]

  fan so you can tell me the story [TS]

  spider-man there's no story of [TS]

  spider-man need like he's moscato ours [TS]

  gets his powers any you know is uncle [TS]

  dies and now he's you know great power [TS]

  great responsibility [TS]

  go like there's no there's no artoo it's [TS]

  unlike watchman which is a fully plucked [TS]

  out very carefully plotted out from [TS]

  beginning to end [TS]

  also the character of EV is just not [TS]

  really the same you know like this this [TS]

  comic book is very much a product of the [TS]

  the eighties right and it's clearly up [TS]

  that that low level 80 sexism image in [TS]

  spite of every single tournament that [TS]

  it's every single bad trope like it's [TS]

  your rape being used to like good just [TS]

  as to come titillate the the reader and [TS]

  you know a shortcut for character [TS]

  development is just she's not as good a [TS]

  character at all and I think it really [TS]

  speaks to you about the witch house case [TS]

  ability to write a more interesting [TS]

  character there and natalie portman's [TS]

  ability to play it actually agreed the [TS]

  killing joke suffers from the same thing [TS]

  yeah but so much of that DNA from the [TS]

  comic does make it into the movie [TS]

  because it is following the bones of the [TS]

  plot so some of the things that I found [TS]

  really problematic in the comic about EV [TS]

  are still there [TS]

  despite Natalie perform important [TS]

  performance and despite you know some [TS]

  refinements along the way it's still can [TS]

  i use the word squeaky i'm going to use [TS]

  the words which is what we watching a [TS]

  movie tonight he doesn't he could [TS]

  frankly just be a figment of her [TS]

  imagination for particularly because [TS]

  those actions that he takes it to have [TS]

  impact on the world but effectively he's [TS]

  the inspiration for her changing my [TS]

  nanny is the inspiration and the agent [TS]

  of change for everybody that's whether [TS]

  all standing outside the building in [TS]

  Parliament [TS]

  and it blows up sure he sent to train [TS]

  but ultimately bit blows up because the [TS]

  the people right accepted his message [TS]

  and showed up on mass to to protest it [TS]

  and we see that story too easy [TS]

  transition from being sort of you know [TS]

  almost a functionary of the machine to [TS]

  completely rejecting it anyway I'd I [TS]

  think that's why we don't see his face [TS]

  basically he's an idea not not a man so [TS]

  much [TS]

  let's talk about v in the film Hugo [TS]

  Weaving yeah plays this i believe they [TS]

  shot for a week or two with a different [TS]

  actor and then and then that they [TS]

  replace that actor and Hugo Weaving came [TS]

  in and so there may be a few shots in [TS]

  this movie where where he is it's not [TS]

  Hugo Weaving but i believe in large part [TS]

  he's there and he's acting and then [TS]

  presumably they looked his dialogue but [TS]

  it's still it's him and it's quite a [TS]

  performance [TS]

  oh you know I think I think it's a great [TS]

  vocal performance and a great physical [TS]

  performance and such as a dangerous [TS]

  decision to have I mean in the in the [TS]

  comic every panel everybody's face is [TS]

  frozen in a comic right i mean get away [TS]

  with it but in a movie to do that and I [TS]

  i think it's a bold decision and I think [TS]

  it really works because of the [TS]

  physicality and because of the voice [TS]

  that it is but he you know the fact is [TS]

  we doesn't have a name he's just V we we [TS]

  learned that that although he likes [TS]

  alliteration because you know he's got [TS]

  that whole speech with all ever like [TS]

  every word that starts with v is in that [TS]

  speech he's room 5 from the testing [TS]

  facility where he was kind of created [TS]

  recreated and you know he doesn't have a [TS]

  name and we never see his face and and [TS]

  guys right he you you could view him as [TS]

  being and he I think maybe infuse [TS]

  himself as the embodiment of an idea [TS]

  more than a person he's most akin to me [TS]

  as the Joker in the Dark Knight i am [TS]

  reading the comics so I don't know what [TS]

  any of the Joker's established backstory [TS]

  is but to me in the dark knight the [TS]

  joker is just a symbol of chaos [TS]

  wonderfully performed by Keith ledger in [TS]

  the same way hugo weaving is simply an [TS]

  idea man behind the mask is not as much [TS]

  of him but he's the idea they hammer [TS]

  that home [TS]

  in the movie a lot and the fact that you [TS]

  know going back to the fact that he's in [TS]

  a mask the whole time in a comic you do [TS]

  have the separate drawings and words and [TS]

  in the movie you have both his vocal [TS]

  performance and his physical performance [TS]

  it's not a David Prowse james earl jones [TS]

  situation it is hugo weaving through and [TS]

  through and that shines through in his [TS]

  performance to make it more coherent but [TS]

  I'm glad you got a better because i was [TS]

  gonna say that he's probably the other [TS]

  example of a character that everybody [TS]

  kind of ya reads and understands right [TS]

  that it had does epistatic mask [TS]

  it's interesting that we're talking [TS]

  about the character as an idea in this [TS]

  movie compared to the idea in the book [TS]

  up the book really leans into like [TS]

  anarchism yes LOL the whole point of the [TS]

  whole point of the graphic novel is alan [TS]

  moore pretty much defending anarchism as [TS]

  a philosophy v is right up there you [TS]

  know he wants to get everybody to the [TS]

  land of do as you please and and but [TS]

  before that there's going to be a period [TS]

  of K chaos that he calls the land of [TS]

  take what you want but he says that you [TS]

  gotta get if you're going to deal with [TS]

  authoritarianism and totalitarianism [TS]

  you're going to have the chaos before [TS]

  you get to this philosophy of everybody [TS]

  taking personal responsibility and [TS]

  everybody who making collective order [TS]

  and something like that [TS]

  not a whole lot of that comes through in [TS]

  the movie he's more of a generic agent [TS]

  of chaos slash freedom fighter then you [TS]

  know there's not a whole lot of [TS]

  anarchists philosophy into this movie [TS]

  and what I think that's what Alan Moore [TS]

  had a problem with because you know you [TS]

  know not everybody accepts that real [TS]

  well no one really accept this movie [TS]

  when it came out if your recall it was [TS]

  kind of and bye-bye reviews severely and [TS]

  you know so but you you come out [TS]

  straight up with an with anarchists [TS]

  cookbook on film [TS]

  no no no what no one's no one's gonna go [TS]

  for that real well [TS]

  well I mean so this is the early [TS]

  eighties in Thatcher's UK this is the [TS]

  beginning of the punk movement this is [TS]

  akin and it is certainly part of the [TS]

  family of that entire movement [TS]

  I mean that's where we get the anarchy [TS]

  symbol firm which is it's no mistake to [TS]

  be simply yellow like the animals real [TS]

  because they're down obvious [TS]

  yeah exactly an obvious shadow is that [TS]

  is relevant when the audience when they [TS]

  made this movie [TS]

  no I don't think so but I think they [TS]

  took what was development for the time [TS]

  and they the jigger the politics behind [TS]

  a little bit in order to tell his story [TS]

  that would land the same points but [TS]

  would be more relevant for the time [TS]

  CII have to give a little bit push back [TS]

  on that I think I it's very clear that [TS]

  Elmore's interpretation be was [TS]

  definitely you know in his anarchist [TS]

  libertarian view point i think the [TS]

  beauty of the film in the the book like [TS]

  the physical book that went along with [TS]

  the film is it really you know this [TS]

  isn't written by you know a white guy [TS]

  it's a much much deeper perspective [TS]

  about you know societies that oppressed [TS]

  people and I think it's much deeper [TS]

  because of that V the reading of him in [TS]

  the movie is so much deeper he's not [TS]

  like a a joker agent of chaos there's a [TS]

  lot of duality there if he's a villain a [TS]

  terrorist our hero and you can look at [TS]

  this film and see it completely [TS]

  legitimately both ways he tortures EV he [TS]

  water board's her he you know he there's [TS]

  a scene where he talks about he's a [TS]

  monster and he's been broken by the [TS]

  things have happened to him to do one [TS]

  good thing he does in the movie is that [TS]

  TV make the decision to do the train [TS]

  down exactly it's why this movie really [TS]

  appeals to me i mean i think most people [TS]

  that know me in my real life no you know [TS]

  i am someone else out there every day [TS]

  working for change i think people to get [TS]

  that invested in it there's an anger [TS]

  sometimes it kind of drives you with [TS]

  that about the things have been done to [TS]

  you along the way to make you feel so [TS]

  strongly about that [TS]

  so when I see be wrestling with that [TS]

  part of himself [TS]

  it's it's real to me and yeah I also say [TS]

  I realized there were some critics that [TS]

  didn't like this movie when it came out [TS]

  to me this came out at the height of the [TS]

  bush [TS]

  administration in the middle of the Iraq [TS]

  war and I remember everybody and [TS]

  outgoing seeing it like four times in [TS]

  the theater and people loving so you [TS]

  know that was mine I think you could [TS]

  really make the argument that V in the [TS]

  in the movie is very specifically [TS]

  pushing back against an oppressive [TS]

  government and V in the book is pushing [TS]

  back against society the system [TS]

  everything right he's a is an anarchist [TS]

  he he wants to push back on anything and [TS]

  the VA and the film is more targeted [TS]

  because there is you know that there is [TS]

  this the fascist regime in Britain that [TS]

  he is he is specifically pushing back [TS]

  against which I do think is also part of [TS]

  yes being a mid-2000 film that night's [TS]

  the politics that they were most that [TS]

  was closest to them and therefore they [TS]

  were most concerned by and also he's [TS]

  pushing against the V is pushing against [TS]

  two different kinds of fascism or or or [TS]

  two different characterizations of [TS]

  authoritarianism in the book of the film [TS]

  in the book you don't have John Hurt [TS]

  staring at you screaming from a [TS]

  viewscreen but you just it's totally [TS]

  personal in the film in a way that the [TS]

  book is not it's more but it's more of a [TS]

  clash of ideas kind of thing the the [TS]

  leader Adam Susan in the book is much [TS]

  more passive then the then Adam sutler [TS]

  is in the movie and I think I happy that [TS]

  I think that influences that influences [TS]

  how he is played in the book and film [TS]

  the reactionary elements to it like what [TS]

  how they are characterizing the [TS]

  quote-unquote enemy that the state [TS]

  effectively it depends on the government [TS]

  under which the book or the movie are [TS]

  being written at the time and I think [TS]

  that in the eighties it characterized so [TS]

  reflected like Thatcherism and and [TS]

  mechanism at and I think of his reaction [TS]

  to that and in the two thousands we had [TS]

  a bit of a different setup right little [TS]

  it was a different circumstance and [TS]

  certainly the plate pretty loud and [TS]

  clear about like taking people away for [TS]

  the ground [TS]

  yeah right well but we also [TS]

  understood what was to be galvanized by [TS]

  certain events that happened and then we [TS]

  were all right go go let's get them [TS]

  let's get them kill kill kill [TS]

  yeah right and so it right you know [TS]

  there's this is the this is the pretext [TS]

  the you know if you go back to the [TS]

  Reichstag fire right it's the pretext [TS]

  that allows the movement that allows the [TS]

  government to become completely [TS]

  authoritarian and in this case it's the [TS]

  u.s. having a plague and a nuclear war [TS]

  and being you know falling apart and [TS]

  then we also discovered there have been [TS]

  a couple attacks on British soil and [TS]

  that all leads to this complete takeover [TS]

  by the fascist government in in Britain [TS]

  so we so we think that's the official [TS]

  party line right but that's not actually [TS]

  be find out we find out they cut it was [TS]

  an inside job Bryce yeah right and the [TS]

  one scene where you where you can see [TS]

  bits of hugo weaving face it gives me it [TS]

  gives me pause of those scenes because [TS]

  we have we saw post 911 right that that [TS]

  one of the great conspiracy theories was [TS]

  it's an inside job it was all set up it [TS]

  was all pretext and you know in v for [TS]

  vendetta that's exactly what it is and [TS]

  that that I makes me makes me pause [TS]

  because that sign that kind of way of [TS]

  thinking led to people down kind of [TS]

  wacky fantasy rabbit hole and conducted [TS]

  very introduction and here it's in the [TS]

  in the plot i want to ask about John [TS]

  Hurt I think the user john hurt here is [TS]

  fascinating first column John Hurt [TS]

  whoo-hoo as we record this just passed [TS]

  away [TS]

  great actor what's interesting here is [TS]

  so he was Winston Smith in the movie [TS]

  1984 and it is i think no mistake about [TS]

  how he's deployed here a little not only [TS]

  using the character guy who was in [TS]

  nineteen eighty-four but by having him [TS]

  not be a person until the like last [TS]

  scene but a face on a screen huge screen [TS]

  I mean they really make him into big [TS]

  brother that is that is absolutely the [TS]

  intent is to make a sutler a big brother [TS]

  figure and having a page on her who was [TS]

  in nineteen eighty-four is icing on the [TS]

  cake there it's hard to believe he was [TS]

  Winston Smith [TS]

  when his big brother I guess he learned [TS]

  to love himself i I don't know something [TS]

  like that hurt is is he's great he's [TS]

  kind of frosting when he needs to and [TS]

  shouting when he needs to but he's up [TS]

  there on the screen i want to mention [TS]

  that one of the most fascinating uses [TS]

  have hurt in this entire thing is in the [TS]

  comedy sketch on stephen Fry's suddenly [TS]

  subversive comedy show that's the one [TS]

  with the benny hill music with yakety [TS]

  sax playing in the background they have [TS]

  a they have a sutler impersonator that [TS]

  they're doing this comedy sketch around [TS]

  and the movie just uses John her to be [TS]

  that guy which I think it's so amazing [TS]

  it's like it's just john heard with like [TS]

  darker facial hair and stuff but I like [TS]

  pancake wife like ask somebody to look [TS]

  like John heard in a comedy sketch when [TS]

  you can just have John Hurt bv excellent [TS]

  impersonation of Joan Harris one of the [TS]

  reasons i love this movie is that and [TS]

  and one of the reasons i was considering [TS]

  be as a good imaginary figment we see a [TS]

  scene where a young girl who's been [TS]

  spray-painting like she's been following [TS]

  the v story since the beginning like in [TS]

  like the second scene but he's being [TS]

  seen spray-painting the TV logo we see [TS]

  her get shot and then we see her in the [TS]

  final scene [TS]

  yes as they all take off their masks and [TS]

  there's people that we know to be dead [TS]

  there [TS]

  yes open love held non-literal the movie [TS]

  is and that's why i love the idea that's [TS]

  like this is this is conceptual there's [TS]

  there's a lot of reality to the fellow [TS]

  right like alive to the camera shots [TS]

  that they deliberately have day they [TS]

  make a real point to pull the camera [TS]

  back and have these slow shots around [TS]

  people's faces to just show the reacting [TS]

  to it and the way the movie is i edited [TS]

  in a nonlinear way we're just is [TS]

  constantly bringing back these themes [TS]

  from the past like running through the [TS]

  series of events it is very much [TS]

  constructed to be a very surreal i think [TS]

  it's it's what makes this very different [TS]

  than any other which house key project [TS]

  right like it'sit's um it's like a dream [TS]

  it really is i find it's I mean out of [TS]

  all this stuff done this this is way up [TS]

  there like why is Vee sitting up all [TS]

  is dominos not amazing but it looks [TS]

  awesome though so he does it had access [TS]

  your time to make his low yeah and [TS]

  Domino yeah yer yeah it doesn't matter [TS]

  it looks awesome [TS]

  you don't question it nice work and has [TS]

  one left standing which oh yeah I've got [TS]

  to go let Eevee like decided to let the [TS]

  train go not its is this like one of the [TS]

  best lines of movie is it artists use [TS]

  lies to tell the truth [TS]

  this movie is a slice don't do it and [TS]

  and it's very aware of it i think the [TS]

  comic book did the same thing and I i [TS]

  really respect it's it's constructed [TS]

  incredibly well way so a much lesser [TS]

  movie would show those faces in the [TS]

  crowd at the end and juxtapose them like [TS]

  with a black-and-white shot of their [TS]

  appearance previously you make you [TS]

  wonder like what you can remember this [TS]

  like this movie doesn't even want out [TS]

  like i don't think it even cares if you [TS]

  realize that those people are I think [TS]

  it's just bonus points if you do if you [TS]

  see you see the girl there you see a [TS]

  gallery there right yeah yeah we see [TS]

  Stephen Fry you see Stephen Fry there [TS]

  exactly right that these people we know [TS]

  to be dead but they're uh they're in the [TS]

  crowd at the at the end and i like that [TS]

  i really like how Valerie is treated [TS]

  throughout the film because one of the [TS]

  things that we see is the first time we [TS]

  see her [TS]

  it's in a flashback from the the test [TS]

  grounds at Larkhill where be like [TS]

  experimented on right and we see her [TS]

  just as a random victim contestants [TS]

  alignment [TS]

  oh yeah we see her alive in a line and [TS]

  then we see her dead in the pit and then [TS]

  we get her flash back later and then we [TS]

  also see her face at the end and it's [TS]

  haunting because you know the movie is [TS]

  not trying to tell us anything literally [TS]

  at the end I feel like I feel like [TS]

  that's just a reminder of these are the [TS]

  you know these are also people and you [TS]

  judge it they're not ghosts they're not [TS]

  you know they're not anything they are [TS]

  the people who are triumphing their part [TS]

  of the group of people who are now [TS]

  trying things [TS]

  over this this terrible regime that's [TS]

  all I i think it's it's a real call to [TS]

  action at the end I think it's something [TS]

  we should all do very well to remember [TS]

  today like it goes for people that gave [TS]

  their lives to get to that point it's [TS]

  showing these are all people that stood [TS]

  up that did what they could some played [TS]

  small part some point very large parts [TS]

  but it's all part of what led to this [TS]

  and I think that is the the extremely [TS]

  moving message at the end of it and [TS]

  Jason I have to say it's like we [TS]

  mentioned Valerie that whole subplot I [TS]

  cannot watch it right now just breaking [TS]

  down like I tried tonight I tried [TS]

  watching you tonight and the quote they [TS]

  say the beginning the shoulders from [TS]

  that you know roses for three years and [TS]

  Apollo is no one like you to fellate [TS]

  what a beautiful scent and structurally [TS]

  I mean not only is it amazingly [TS]

  beautiful but structurally and it like [TS]

  this in the comic to write but you could [TS]

  do it in a comic I feel like butt in a [TS]

  in a a motion picture with a lot of [TS]

  action and a huge budget right the movie [TS]

  stops to tell her story it's like a [TS]

  little anthology short story inside this [TS]

  other movie and you know it's [TS]

  interleaved a little bit where he is is [TS]

  being processed and tortured and and [TS]

  then going back to her cell and reading [TS]

  a little bit more so they try to but but [TS]

  essentially that segment of the movie is [TS]

  about Valerie's story that's what it's [TS]

  about 90 right in the middle of the [TS]

  movie [TS]

  yeah right dead center if it weren't for [TS]

  that segment of the movie i would [TS]

  consider this movie irredeemable oh ok [TS]

  irredeemable because i have some I have [TS]

  real problems in both the comic and the [TS]

  movie i have real problems with what V [TS]

  does TV [TS]

  oh god yeah oh yes mmm I grout queer [TS]

  Mississippi right like it's that's [TS]

  playing on hard but right it's stuck [TS]

  you know the the whole scene with [TS]

  Valerie where she is you know these are [TS]

  the fears that every single queer person [TS]

  you know all the real Jew house on a [TS]

  very very deep level and it is so [TS]

  movingly done and I just I cannot watch [TS]

  this entire scene without just breaking [TS]

  down dirty crying [TS]

  like I was on a plane at last time I saw [TS]

  this like I'm in first class and just [TS]

  weeping everybody's there staring at me [TS]

  because it's so emotionally done so i [TS]

  just don't I know I I I feel like [TS]

  there's so much wider meaning there in [TS]

  her death and you know the fact that [TS]

  dies given to natalie portman then push [TS]

  her on to the next level I just think [TS]

  it's brilliantly done and it's really [TS]

  important that it is a real story it is [TS]

  the real story that right v received in [TS]

  his cell that he didn't just manufacture [TS]

  it for v's benefit that's also vitally [TS]

  important I don't know if that matters [TS]

  and i think that's part of it in the [TS]

  middle of story is that he does tell EV [TS]

  first of all these names are pretty much [TS]

  dead giveaway that like none of this is [TS]

  personal [TS]

  vite lzv the valerie no was was real and [TS]

  destroy Israel and it wasn't fabricated [TS]

  but doesn't matter that like all I'm [TS]

  thinking is to tell it using using light [TS]

  has to tell the truth is literally a [TS]

  theme of this [TS]

  yeah but if it wasn't true that really i [TS]

  think that would have sunk us visually [TS]

  and this day the testing open to the um [TS]

  I am I am open to the idea that v is [TS]

  Valley and that she didn't die in person [TS]

  and it she went on to become v well [TS]

  either either way that I mean the [TS]

  argument of a lark hill is that I feel [TS]

  like as much as V is a I mean he's many [TS]

  things here if he is a revolutionary the [TS]

  is a victim v is a superhero kind of [TS]

  because he basically gets powers [TS]

  I mean there is Alan Moore is absolutely [TS]

  commenting on some of the and using some [TS]

  of the tropes of superheroes in this not [TS]

  superhero comic that way but one thing v [TS]

  is also is V is the only survivor of a [TS]

  program that killed everybody else and [TS]

  he wears his guilt of being the only [TS]

  survivor and his responsibility for [TS]

  everyone who didn't survive as the [TS]

  person who speaks for them whether he's [TS]

  representing Valerie or not he you know [TS]

  it mean he he he could be Valerie or you [TS]

  cannot be Valerie guy based on your [TS]

  theory but it doesn't matter because he [TS]

  represents her I think he stopped being [TS]

  a person and he started being V and yeah [TS]

  he admit as much yeah yeah yeah he does [TS]

  your right now [TS]

  yeah the the valerie segment is is is [TS]

  fantastic think about also when we see [TS]

  Eevee reading the story and in the film [TS]

  we think the chain goes Valerie to EV [TS]

  that Valerie is inspiring EV perhaps to [TS]

  do something you know it better and make [TS]

  that decision what we learned later is [TS]

  that the chain actually goes from [TS]

  Valerie 2v2 EV because my galleries [TS]

  letter inspired v he's the one who was [TS]

  first inspired by it so that changes [TS]

  longer she and he's replaying it for her [TS]

  because he basically wants to make her [TS]

  like him [TS]

  yeah yeah in all the parallels of V + DV [TS]

  name aside that is my favorite moment [TS]

  because a valerie comes in at the most [TS]

  bleak moment in the movie interleaf so [TS]

  perfectly to give a little bit of levity [TS]

  and beauty in the middle of this [TS]

  extremely dark bleak terrible torture [TS]

  scene and they they try that in watching [TS]

  the details the black freighter it [TS]

  failed miserably but it works really [TS]

  well here and then I i have so many [TS]

  problems with EV and v's relationship [TS]

  but where the parallels between the two [TS]

  of them and the moment when he goes [TS]

  outside and finally evolved into a [TS]

  Vaporeon in the rain that woman to come [TS]

  back and forth with love the [TS]

  uncomfortable that very very blatantly [TS]

  obvious moment come back and forth with [TS]

  the rising from the flames gives the EV [TS]

  something that she didn't have before [TS]

  but I don't think it comes to as full of [TS]

  a point as these artists at the end of [TS]

  movie they have been completely [TS]

  different arcs and I've problem with the [TS]

  love that she has for him but Evie at [TS]

  least has some kind of different art [TS]

  based on her rise to power in the rain [TS]

  the movie tree TV better than the book [TS]

  does oh yeah that's the plan [TS]

  the book is it's just [TS]

  the book just bothers me so much it is a [TS]

  cult programming that the subjects [TS]

  trapped and in fact you could argue that [TS]

  the way she's introduced in a movie soft [TS]

  petals this to it's very much like v [TS]

  plucked a teen prostitute off the street [TS]

  because she had her life was essentially [TS]

  worthless and she wouldn't be missed in [TS]

  order to program her to be what he [TS]

  wanted her to be mean that is that is [TS]

  some of that again is the structures in [TS]

  the movie but in the book it's just [TS]

  that's what it is right if you look at [TS]

  the chow skis were generally speaking [TS]

  like you can go into balance and there [TS]

  are a few things their rates pretty [TS]

  freaking high on the feminist meter oh [TS]

  yeah you know they tweaked a few things [TS]

  yeah they did turn her from me no [TS]

  prostitute with someone that works at a [TS]

  TV station absolutely important royal [TS]

  you know she has agency all the way all [TS]

  the way through so i just feel like this [TS]

  is a good point to take a beat and say [TS]

  in the goal of feminist critique of [TS]

  media isn't saying you can't have things [TS]

  happened women that are abysmal like is [TS]

  its name saying you can't have rape [TS]

  scenes you know it's saying you can't [TS]

  think be more conscious about the [TS]

  choices that you make and I have no [TS]

  problem with anything that happens to [TS]

  even in this film even though it is very [TS]

  horrible because it's not trying to sell [TS]

  v is like a Disney hero he's not this is [TS]

  a wildly complicated movie and I i just [TS]

  think that that really feeds into right [TS]

  now and i'm gonna get a little bit [TS]

  political i see people on the Left [TS]

  people I respect really bearing system [TS]

  some territory talk about violence [TS]

  towards people with different political [TS]

  views in a way that makes me wildly [TS]

  uncomfortable so I think this this [TS]

  message at the core of it of the really [TS]

  being turned into a monster of e [TS]

  becoming someone who goes too far [TS]

  I think that's a message that people [TS]

  would do very well to hear today [TS]

  that's a really good point and also in [TS]

  the movie compared to the book the [TS]

  Wachowskis give EV so much more agency [TS]

  on in the book VIII basically [TS]

  brainwashing sir [TS]

  yeah and she goes along and keeps doing [TS]

  her thing in the movie [TS]

  Evie actually leaves that she doesn't [TS]

  come back into the end she she has been [TS]

  she has been transformed by her [TS]

  experience she can take some strength [TS]

  from it but it's also something that she [TS]

  can't abide at least for now and she [TS]

  leaves and she chooses to come back [TS]

  later she gets it [TS]

  it's a much stronger character i think [TS]

  given the fact that we still got the [TS]

  bones of the torturing her [TS]

  who's the hero of this movie so easy [TS]

  even yeah definitely i agree with [TS]

  everything you said guy but i still have [TS]

  massive problems with the gas lighting [TS]

  that V gives her in that know this was [TS]

  your choice you're the one that wanted [TS]

  to stay because you didn't give up any [TS]

  information about me this was you [TS]

  well Ivy to be perfectly frank I think [TS]

  he's a bad guy didn't guy kills a lot of [TS]

  people [TS]

  the guy's a terrorist somebody knows [TS]

  he's a monster he he doesn't and he [TS]

  admits to being that the only good thing [TS]

  you did like i said previously is that [TS]

  he let Eevee decide whether or not to [TS]

  send that train there is a really [TS]

  interesting moment where and they it's [TS]

  fascinating i I don't know if I noticed [TS]

  it before but i really noticed that this [TS]

  time v hopes that when he reveals that [TS]

  it's him to EV that she will basically [TS]

  love him for it and yet it because he [TS]

  says he says as she's going through this [TS]

  he's like I wonder if you might dance [TS]

  with me like he says that he doesn't [TS]

  just say it went later when she comes [TS]

  back and they dance [TS]

  he says that right when she gets out and [TS]

  she's she doesn't even respond to it [TS]

  she's just like I am getting out of here [TS]

  and he's like yeah well that's yeah I [TS]

  figured that you might but he but no he [TS]

  actually holds out hope that he will [TS]

  have like magically transform which i [TS]

  think is interesting because it's the [TS]

  characters weakness is that he you know [TS]

  he believes things that are going to [TS]

  come out of what he did that are [TS]

  completely unrealistic i think it is the [TS]

  thing that redeems this movie I because [TS]

  of that because of her reaction the fact [TS]

  that she's allowed to leave and go [TS]

  somewhere else and take care of herself [TS]

  and and just she just steps away and and [TS]

  he doesn't help her or anything she [TS]

  finds her own way but that said I it [TS]

  gives me a little pause only because the [TS]

  structure of it is that we're supposed [TS]

  to think he's a hero and I know he's not [TS]

  here [TS]

  around here but like it still gives me [TS]

  pause that this character that we've [TS]

  kind of been rooting for does this [TS]

  terrible thing also just replied [TS]

  practical standpoint the way the movie [TS]

  is shot all of the scenes where Eevee is [TS]

  being captured and tortured and all that [TS]

  you can't tell whether those people are [TS]

  real or anything like that and and so [TS]

  there's that reveal I do kind of have a [TS]

  very hard time with those scenes because [TS]

  you know those are the shots that we see [TS]

  but she's living at the whole time she [TS]

  has to be taken from room to room by [TS]

  people and sat down and things like that [TS]

  and I don't really believe that one guy [TS]

  in a various with mannequins and some [TS]

  masks could really pull that off is in [TS]

  this makes sense because he's chinese [TS]

  cutting off your hair and stuff and when [TS]

  clearly you know this is this is why I [TS]

  think he's more of an idea i think she's [TS]

  tortured by the idea of freedom in my [TS]

  head candidates he has some interns who [TS]

  we never see but they are there to help [TS]

  him with his in prison experiment maybe [TS]

  maybe also purchased a hundred [TS]

  thousand-plus guy fawkes suits for the [TS]

  entire yeah that there's some economic [TS]

  haha i accept the absurdity and D it's [TS]

  not a literal movie it's a movie about [TS]

  ideas and when v is torturing her [TS]

  it's awful I it's also a movie and sure [TS]

  is it is like he is telling the truth I [TS]

  think she's being tortured by an idea [TS]

  and you could argue argue in a situation [TS]

  like that where being tortured that it's [TS]

  all hallucinatory anyway right i mean [TS]

  that that she doesn't have to make sense [TS]

  because who knows what she saw or what [TS]

  she understood she may have it may have [TS]

  not been that great an artifice but she [TS]

  was so confused and messed up that [TS]

  there's that chic believed that it was [TS]

  because that was the story she was being [TS]

  told i can I kind of accept that and [TS]

  that we're sort of seeing it through her [TS]

  is because we pause though cuz i think [TS]

  really i mean he's good but is he that [TS]

  good a little late so I don't remember [TS]

  the first time I saw this movie and at [TS]

  the end [TS]

  really at the end when people start [TS]

  taking off the masks [TS]

  I sort of understood like this movie [TS]

  should not be taken literally literally [TS]

  ran it should be taken as move almost [TS]

  metaphorically [TS]

  yeah i just can't go that far yeah I [TS]

  know I know it's hard because I've [TS]

  watched it again just tonight and I was [TS]

  like this is he's a bad guy [TS]

  it's hard yeah it's all the [TS]

  quote-unquote hero is an awful person [TS]

  the story's all the TV every time i [TS]

  watch this I waffle back and forth [TS]

  between whether or not the ending works [TS]

  for me or doesn't work for me because [TS]

  sometimes it just gets a little too [TS]

  close to magical realism with all the [TS]

  dead people coming back at the end but [TS]

  tonight it worked for me i thought i was [TS]

  a sweet moment even though like we're [TS]

  celebrating a terrorist blowing up [TS]

  Parliament it was a weird moment from [TS]

  yeah obviously nobody blow up Parliament [TS]

  but at the same time maybe maybe there's [TS]

  a cause out there in the world you're [TS]

  upset about having a giant rally is [TS]

  probably something you should think [TS]

  about well even like you know i would [TS]

  say in America I have grown up with [TS]

  always seeing these big crowds all by [TS]

  most recently but it's always been [TS]

  somewhere else it's always been outside [TS]

  the US where you see crowds gathering in [TS]

  streets [TS]

  I mean I'm just I've never seen it like [TS]

  where we've stood up on something and [TS]

  actually taken to the streets it always [TS]

  seems like it happened somewhere else [TS]

  this movie brings up a lot of ethical [TS]

  conflict right because i like a lot of [TS]

  people and thinking what the frak can I [TS]

  do I am somebody's choosing to work [TS]

  within the system right as much as I can [TS]

  and hope that that's how we can bring [TS]

  about change but you know it takes all [TS]

  kinds of young people know yeah I don't [TS]

  advocate violence at all i think that's [TS]

  the moment that we've really crossed a [TS]

  line in America but I think like crowds [TS]

  going outside and demonstrating I see [TS]

  this film is being really a reboot of a [TS]

  kind of anger fantasy from like a white [TS]

  male libertarian dude and I see it [TS]

  really turned into you from a fairly [TS]

  clear cast our fair [TS]

  a quitter set of riders and really [TS]

  turned into a really modern story about [TS]

  oppression systematic oppression so I i [TS]

  just think that it's it's a very very [TS]

  deep story about you what's going on [TS]

  right now and i also have to say I think [TS]

  part of that change is why there were [TS]

  some of those reviewers that weren't [TS]

  pleased with this interpretation other [TS]

  because it's it's crossing this thing [TS]

  this made for them and they're casting [TS]

  it wider and that upsets people that's a [TS]

  really good point i'm not surprised that [TS]

  the v mask has been co-opted in the way [TS]

  that has yeah yeah yeah totally i have a [TS]

  question about the voltage these [TS]

  specific terrorist violence here because [TS]

  i think it goes to what we were saying [TS]

  about v being a bad guy and we see him [TS]

  torture EV and you know she's right to [TS]

  basically take her life into her own [TS]

  hands at that point but you know bottom [TS]

  line is he blows up the old bailey and [TS]

  he blows a parliament that beginning of [TS]

  the end he has her hehe provides her [TS]

  with the opportunity to blow up [TS]

  Parliament and I i think you know i am [TS]

  of two minds about that were sometimes I [TS]

  think that because vs is a difficult [TS]

  character and we're not supposed to root [TS]

  for everything he does that him him [TS]

  being violent like that is ok or that [TS]

  this situation is perhaps so extreme [TS]

  that is what is required and the other [TS]

  part of me thinks I don't know if I want [TS]

  to root for the people who were blowing [TS]

  up buildings even if there is late at [TS]

  night and they have defended enough [TS]

  words late at night and it's probably [TS]

  nobody there and there are pretty [TS]

  fireworks and music to go yeah i mean [TS]

  obviously blowing up a federal building [TS]

  do not do that also do like that no i [TS]

  will not only really hate you for that [TS]

  yeah yeah I'm the old Billy food those [TS]

  not familiar is sort of the main [TS]

  courthouse in London it's it's [TS]

  old-school old-school justice [TS]

  yeah that's where the statue on the time [TS]

  but usually what that stands for ya [TS]

  so in taking that out first in the book [TS]

  by the way target yeah he blows up he [TS]

  blows up he blows up to the Parliament [TS]

  at the beginning on on the 15 november [TS]

  and then the last thing that gets blown [TS]

  up is number ten Downing Street actually [TS]

  at the very end so yeah [TS]

  move that stuff around i think also [TS]

  smartly attitude that gets the old [TS]

  bailey in the middle somewhere right I [TS]

  guess I'm willing to give it a break [TS]

  because it is a movie I don't think it's [TS]

  literally calling for violence [TS]

  no he also tells him that he's gonna [TS]

  blow stuff up and he blows up the Bailey [TS]

  at midnight which is not right [TS]

  I i like to think that he wasn't killing [TS]

  people because we see him well she was [TS]

  so anyway tax a TV station [TS]

  he'll he murders a lot of cops oh yeah [TS]

  but he doesn't murder all of those [TS]

  civilians who just happened to know even [TS]

  the guy with the ball is in his mouth [TS]

  right yeah he leaves that guy there you [TS]

  know he'll try to think that the cops [TS]

  are gonna show the guy that shoot the [TS]

  guys that are just as him but like he's [TS]

  got he's got some kind of restraint [TS]

  there are only really two major like [TS]

  action scenes where you get the quote [TS]

  superhero effect at the end at it is [TS]

  near his demise and when he begins his [TS]

  brigade at the TV station which I you [TS]

  know in in watching it a couple times [TS]

  watched last week and I watched today it [TS]

  was really weird seeing the lack of [TS]

  action after seeing so many Marvel and [TS]

  DC movies since then like it was weird [TS]

  to see a movie that was I i use this [TS]

  very very tentatively but a cerebral [TS]

  movie that quote is superheroes [TS]

  there's a lot of action like the first [TS]

  30 minutes and then it really shifts [TS]

  gears and there isn't a lot until later [TS]

  yeah I think of it as more of a dramatic [TS]

  movie than an action movie yeah [TS]

  definitely I feel like the Cherokees [TS]

  know that people buy tickets to go see [TS]

  action so that you know you get some [TS]

  action but this was not an action movie [TS]

  it you know who's got the incredibly [TS]

  personal violence of all the [TS]

  high-profile deaths in the middle where [TS]

  v comes in almost like a suspense horror [TS]

  movie at times and it offers a few [TS]

  people one by one in very tense ways and [TS]

  it's not the kind of impersonal James [TS]

  Bond adventures violence were used to [TS]

  that comes at the beginning and the end [TS]

  but there's still a lot there in the [TS]

  middle know when he sits down with the [TS]

  coroner [TS]

  and daughters i love that Delilah [TS]

  Delilah that scene is probably one of my [TS]

  favorites falls far short of the [TS]

  evaluations but man i love that that's [TS]

  that's right i'll be home ready in 10 [TS]

  minutes ago while you sleep like would [TS]

  be wrong to apologize now as he said he [TS]

  says no hehe provides her kind of [TS]

  kindness and you know that she you know [TS]

  she regrets as you want to hang yourself [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah yeah I guess I i can [TS]

  struggle without for the same reason [TS]

  um and there's some people there's a one [TS]

  of my favorite games his tomb raider [TS]

  right I it has some really grisly death [TS]

  scenes where Laura is killed and makes a [TS]

  lot of our players unhappy and you at [TS]

  the same time every single person who [TS]

  killed in that game as a guy i am always [TS]

  yes sorry it came out in 2013 [TS]

  I'm always a little hesitant it movies [TS]

  that kind of pull their punches when and [TS]

  don't come to give women the same you [TS]

  don't treat women the same ways as the [TS]

  men are treated if you look at you know [TS]

  throw in all of that you know they are [TS]

  given a really violent bloody end and [TS]

  you know she's treated a lot work with a [TS]

  little bit more respect and maybe you [TS]

  can read that like I think the generous [TS]

  reading is you see it is an [TS]

  interpretation of her characters having [TS]

  some remorse [TS]

  yeah about the things that she did like [TS]

  as evidence by her diary but why did [TS]

  they assign that wrote that motherly [TS]

  gold yeah character yeah why would she [TS]

  be the only one to show remorse [TS]

  that's good that's a real good point [TS]

  what bothers me it bothers me a free [TS]

  when you talk about the Wachowskis kind [TS]

  of read altering this movie triggering [TS]

  this movie you close reading between the [TS]

  comic in the movie you will probably see [TS]

  in many locations like changes they made [TS]

  for these specific reasons but with [TS]

  leaving the structure behind and I it [TS]

  that's basically how I read it in the [TS]

  movie is that look that you know that [TS]

  character was a woman and she you know [TS]

  and then they had that scene together [TS]

  and so they left it but i do think your [TS]

  you see the bones thereof [TS]

  Alan Moore's decisions in the eighties [TS]

  behind it right if you read the book [TS]

  it's very interesting because they go [TS]

  way way [TS]

  Warren depth with her character she was [TS]

  having like a romance with the the lead [TS]

  detective who you know kind of chooses [TS]

  not to shoot TV at the end so she's a [TS]

  much more complex character the [TS]

  Wachowskis had in mind when they you [TS]

  know adapted this film this book from [TS]

  their script [TS]

  I'm just saying that one little part [TS]

  bothers with the casting of bishop as [TS]

  basically molester [TS]

  yeah we got it like it's a little longer [TS]

  there is controlling your notes yeah [TS]

  that's right on the nose it's just too [TS]

  easy [TS]

  well back in 80 back in 82 yeah that's [TS]

  it not so now it's like yeah we know [TS]

  like that's a serious problem but yeah [TS]

  but a second 82 made sense and I think [TS]

  again like judgments and it was like [TS]

  well they just left it I think it's kind [TS]

  of a funny weird creepy scene also since [TS]

  she's sort of like is saying the truth [TS]

  of like I've been held captive by the [TS]

  terrorists and i love that she was [TS]

  trying to escape [TS]

  yeah but she wanted out in the comic you [TS]

  know EV is young is very young I mean I [TS]

  think she's 15 but she looks very young [TS]

  and in that seems they have her dress [TS]

  young and look young for the for the the [TS]

  priest because he wants a girl little [TS]

  girl and they and they still say the [TS]

  same line she's older than you're used [TS]

  to and all that they kept this with [TS]

  natalie portman and I guess they can get [TS]

  away with it because they have her like [TS]

  with the with her hair up and the dress [TS]

  and all of that but still it's calling [TS]

  really you know they give their best but [TS]

  it's like she I didn't believe it even [TS]

  though it that was what the script and [TS]

  had them behave [TS]

  I just don't believe it that she's gonna [TS]

  really come across as a as a little girl [TS]

  there because it's Natalie port but you [TS]

  know I guess you go with it [TS]

  I think that scene goes too far in that [TS]

  I'm sitting there cringing the entire [TS]

  time and it seemed that I think goes on [TS]

  way too long and he gets in the way of a [TS]

  really important character moment for ev [TS]

  where she tries to escape but cans and [TS]

  then V is freaking out about the fact [TS]

  that she tried to out him and I'm not [TS]

  collected enough again until she's at [TS]

  stephen Fry's house at that point I [TS]

  completely forget what was happening [TS]

  this tonight was the only time I've ever [TS]

  seen the movie where i was able to [TS]

  actually piece together the dots that [TS]

  there when you see her escape you see [TS]

  what was happening because I for one was [TS]

  able to completely listen to the [TS]

  dialogue and what was happening with EV [TS]

  rather than freaking the hell out of [TS]

  this Bishop trying to get well I mean [TS]

  one thing is troubling is that and this [TS]

  is kind of common whenever you try to [TS]

  write and film a scene like this is that [TS]

  you run the risk of titillating the east [TS]

  on the thing that you're trying to damn [TS]

  and like this was awkward it's like why [TS]

  they put in that we put them in this [TS]

  weird integrated housing issue with it [TS]

  then you lose the effect and why is he [TS]

  going on so long [TS]

  exactly yeah like yeah I mean it was [TS]

  revolting it's meant to be reporting it [TS]

  worked on that level but that took me [TS]

  out like dead [TS]

  it had I mean I don't know how to handle [TS]

  this better [TS]

  well right because it's straight from [TS]

  the comic book yeah like yeah the [TS]

  existing from the comic but i think what [TS]

  to me what made this uncomfortable I [TS]

  don't do it the film scripts it Natalie [TS]

  Portman has spoken out on so many [TS]

  occasions how uncomfortable it is for [TS]

  her as an actress that are you [TS]

  apparently people that have that [TS]

  particular thing are really into [TS]

  pictures of her when she was a child you [TS]

  know when she was younger actress so [TS]

  she's talked on the record many times [TS]

  about how uncomfortable it makes her and [TS]

  I'm like really the Wachowskis like [TS]

  they're going to put her in that [TS]

  situation that's just I I wouldn't have [TS]

  written that scene but I mean I think it [TS]

  makes that you know her betrayal of e i [TS]

  think is a I think it's a damning moment [TS]

  for her character too so ridiculous [TS]

  scene from her but I audience i thought [TS]

  it was good really [TS]

  yes yes it seemed before it and she says [TS]

  look I need you to understand AB&C about [TS]

  Maisie's kidnapped her and he's crazy [TS]

  and you want to get out [TS]

  well I i see it like icv asking her to [TS]

  stay there for a year is kind of a [TS]

  reasonable thing like she will get [TS]

  hunted and killed on the outside was [TS]

  just a fat right so i can only see that [TS]

  yeah but he's being selfish right he's [TS]

  being selfish because she knows where he [TS]

  lives [TS]

  I think that's part of it yeah but i [TS]

  think it's it's just it's a plan overall [TS]

  the I understand [TS]

  right and then she's she's talking to [TS]

  him she's like look I need you to [TS]

  understand this about me and they killed [TS]

  my parents you know they sent me to the [TS]

  center to reprogram me I want to help in [TS]

  any way I can't the way i read that [TS]

  scene is it she chickens out in the last [TS]

  moment like she was going to go through [TS]

  and help him and down fails [TS]

  yeah I kind of just assumed that that [TS]

  was your plan because she said like look [TS]

  I'm gonna help you [TS]

  everyone knowing that it would that [TS]

  would afford her an opportunity to get [TS]

  out and get help [TS]

  oh yeah i don't know and i think it's i [TS]

  think you can read it either way [TS]

  like when she decided to do that mission [TS]

  is she really going into it all the way [TS]

  or is she sort of me because she's kind [TS]

  of stalling while he gets their sochi [TS]

  half-heartedly giving him this [TS]

  information [TS]

  yeah this is all part of my not argument [TS]

  but my thesis is a thesis I'm gonna get [TS]

  a doctorate in this uh-huh it's here it [TS]

  is guys wacky theory my headcanon and [TS]

  izzy is an idea this is her struggling [TS]

  with accepting the idea all right right [TS]

  okay look forward to your your your [TS]

  thesis on this yeah yeah you should get [TS]

  an English PhD and i write this but also [TS]

  you have any record in a bunch of yarn [TS]

  to connect all pay a sum I think the [TS]

  things that we see in the movie don't [TS]

  make sense so we cannot take it [TS]

  literally [TS]

  so given we can take it literally why [TS]

  don't we just run with the idea that [TS]

  haha i keep pushing back against this [TS]

  guy because because the it is more [TS]

  literal in the book in the source videos [TS]

  in Vietnam it so so and I and I come to [TS]

  this from having read the book back when [TS]

  DC published it in the u.s. so i can't i [TS]

  can't not look at this as an adapter as [TS]

  an adaptation so that makes it much [TS]

  harder for me to look at it as a [TS]

  metaphorical story when in in the in the [TS]

  source material it was intended to be [TS]

  more more one-to-one I think honestly I [TS]

  think you're right [TS]

  a gym at that thank you to leave it I'm [TS]

  gonna be happy of thinking the other [TS]

  thing so [TS]

  for me as someone who's never read the [TS]

  book the fact that this movie is so [TS]

  metaphorical comes through in the very [TS]

  end when how are we supposed to feel [TS]

  we're happy that the apartments blown up [TS]

  we feel emotions about Evie saying and [TS]

  that's why i love this man and the fact [TS]

  that they added that love story in and [TS]

  Evie's arc is about that coming to love [TS]

  this man instead of the idea because she [TS]

  keeps saying I it's not the idea i miss [TS]

  it's the man it's the man that is what [TS]

  makes me feel like this movie is so much [TS]

  more metaphorical than the book because [TS]

  the ending beats really don't work for [TS]

  me I i have to say if you read as a love [TS]

  story i could not a groove to love me I [TS]

  don't read as a love story but she says [TS]

  that she loves the man in the same way [TS]

  in the same way that ties back to the [TS]

  same the cell with the gay woman like [TS]

  she's talking about how like I even [TS]

  though i may not know your whole tree or [TS]

  kiss you I want you to know i love you [TS]

  just as a person and I think it's just [TS]

  mirroring the exact same idea out its [TS]

  respect like this is v's arc she starts [TS]

  to someone who's beaten down her parents [TS]

  were taken from her like well she's [TS]

  hiding under the bed she sent to a camp [TS]

  the reprograms her then she goes and [TS]

  becomes part of this medium machine that [TS]

  helps misinform the entire public she [TS]

  was instrumental v captures our tortures [TS]

  her changes her she has entire arc is a [TS]

  character she reaches inside her she [TS]

  finds strength she didn't know she had [TS]

  and then like she's the one that flips [TS]

  the switch again and she loves be as a [TS]

  person in that same it's not like she [TS]

  still has she still very guarded in [TS]

  those scenes you can see her keeping her [TS]

  distance is just more respect I read [TS]

  yeah I don't she'll of yours either last [TS]

  line is very clear she says he was my [TS]

  mother and father and brother and Raven [TS]

  cheat meal is a lot of reading and thank [TS]

  you mother is not one of them right did [TS]

  not what his role is to I I could have [TS]

  done without the kids on the mask i have [TS]

  to say i could have done it because I'm [TS]

  is everything was bad yeah I did write [TS]

  down the line that we was just talking [TS]

  about because I was crying so I went [TS]

  down even though i do not know you and [TS]

  even though I may never meet you [TS]

  laughs with you cry with you or kiss you [TS]

  I love you with all my heart and let him [TS]

  that is to me [TS]

  probably the court moment of the movie [TS]

  yes absolutely and and it's and it's [TS]

  lifted straight from alan moore script [TS]

  yeah yeah I you we speaking of the end [TS]

  of the movie if it and this is where i [TS]

  could buy into a certain standard of the [TS]

  guy English theory the the are the army [TS]

  of marchers in their newly FedExed guy [TS]

  fawkes masks and outfits and you know [TS]

  ending with this sort of this triumphant [TS]

  march of the pickup of the people and [TS]

  even before that throughout this movie [TS]

  every time you see civilians watching TV [TS]

  are watching watching Stephen Fry's show [TS]

  watching the watching political [TS]

  statements in the propaganda on TV [TS]

  the people are not buying it the people [TS]

  are enjoying laughing at subtler I I get [TS]

  the feeling that this movie expect it [TS]

  has a very very optimistic sense of how [TS]

  people living under fascism actually [TS]

  react to it seems like everybody's a [TS]

  good person who's just being who's being [TS]

  held down by the man when you get in [TS]

  there in the early going [TS]

  you do get these speech about a accusing [TS]

  the population of having let this happen [TS]

  having this chosen but i think it gets [TS]

  undermined by the whole rest of the [TS]

  movie and I'm maybe I'm just really [TS]

  really cynical and discouraged about [TS]

  current politics but I that's it that's [TS]

  an awful lot of people who are [TS]

  apparently who apparently never really [TS]

  voted for Norris fire and a parent will [TS]

  be never really wanted what was going on [TS]

  and I just don't buy it [TS]

  wow thats dark chip no user and these [TS]

  are canada's our time [TS]

  well I do like the way the truth the [TS]

  people are treated there is a scene very [TS]

  early on where we see all the people [TS]

  when he takes over the TV station we see [TS]

  all the people who are watching in the [TS]

  like in the pub and everywhere the [TS]

  family at home they're watching and that [TS]

  scene is replayed at the end when [TS]

  they're trying to get everybody to not [TS]

  worry about Vee and and nobody in all [TS]

  those locations there's nobody there and [TS]

  that's because everybody is marching and [TS]

  I like i did my favorite moment like [TS]

  those to cut and you know you know you [TS]

  have to be paying attention is like why [TS]

  are they showing that the TV and that [TS]

  empty bar and it's because that's where [TS]

  all the people used to be and they're [TS]

  not there anymore because now they're [TS]

  out marching I I like that part of it [TS]

  but yeah I can see your point chip which [TS]

  is you know it is it is it their fault [TS]

  or not or is it beyond that which is [TS]

  like look at some point you have to [TS]

  stand up and they didn't stand [TS]

  stand up and they didn't stand [TS]

  d'Epinay allowed the the country to get [TS]

  to this point but within their fear [TS]

  about the attacks and all that but [TS]

  they're not allowing it [TS]

  they crystallise around this idea of v2 [TS]

  not allow it to go on on any further I [TS]

  mean it is kind of fantasy like Jason [TS]

  but yeah it was yeah it's very much [TS]

  fantasy [TS]

  yeah that's why I think he's an idea if [TS]

  you do see you to see flashes a bigger [TS]

  population in here like remember the [TS]

  scene in the BBC station with the guy [TS]

  watching laser laughs like keys hell yea [TS]

  dressings added just to watch the people [TS]

  there to out that don't get it [TS]

  yeah you see it in like the the nursing [TS]

  home shots of them reacting to vtv we're [TS]

  just kind of like what I don't gather [TS]

  and yes finches role like Finch is that [TS]

  guy [TS]

  yeah that's apart an inner party member [TS]

  and who is is seeing this all these [TS]

  things lining up and like do I really [TS]

  want to ask these questions if you know [TS]

  if God's there to protect me if my [TS]

  country's there to protect me then [TS]

  should you know what i do i really want [TS]

  to know if they they're the ones that [TS]

  are actually hurting me [TS]

  we haven't mentioned Steven Reyes pinch [TS]

  but yea he's the he's got a fantastic [TS]

  fantastic he's got to investigate this [TS]

  is with his friend of Rupert graves who [TS]

  is a of course from from Sherlock you [TS]

  know he was always a cop asshole [TS]

  they they seem array in the end you know [TS]

  he keeps following his instincts as a [TS]

  cop back to what happened at lark hell [TS]

  and he's told several times not to he's [TS]

  threatened he says I've been a member [TS]

  this party for 20 years but he keeps [TS]

  following this he says 22 Rupert graves [TS]

  uh you know how far are we willing to go [TS]

  here because you know he realizes just [TS]

  what he's doing up here and again i [TS]

  would say in a more conventional movie [TS]

  structure this would this be [TS]

  he's essentially like the crusading [TS]

  reporter kind of character digging up [TS]

  the real truth and it's it's you know [TS]

  it's a less a part of the story then [TS]

  maybe it might have been in a another [TS]

  movie but he is the he does represent [TS]

  like a good person who wants to do the [TS]

  right thing here even though he's a [TS]

  party member and he's in this government [TS]

  he is following the truth and in the end [TS]

  he let Stevie you know he doesn't he [TS]

  doesn't [TS]

  shoot her he doesn't stop her he lets [TS]

  her go I did hate the montage know like [TS]

  the date the explanation so yeah where I [TS]

  see I'm i went over to lark hill and I [TS]

  then I see the future blah blah [TS]

  that felt like compression I was I was [TS]

  good with it gives otherwise I don't [TS]

  know how we would have strong little [TS]

  things together you need some you know [TS]

  either you need a character that you [TS]

  need to explain it to or you needed to [TS]

  get some kind of trip like that I i just [TS]

  saw his pure or Chomsky like [TS]

  metaphysical months that's like the [TS]

  synthetic people enjoyed the make sure [TS]

  people out the dead sensate and you know [TS]

  like they are all in on that the this [TS]

  people Cloud Atlas i get these are the [TS]

  people that have this idea that we're [TS]

  all connected and there are no [TS]

  coincidences and we're living this [TS]

  thing's the same story over and over and [TS]

  over again that's there that's your teal [TS]

  if he wanted to one of their films like [TS]

  you better get ready for it so yeah I [TS]

  was I was I was just their creative [TS]

  wonder last yeah that's what I mean [TS]

  about non-literal is just like stop [TS]

  thinking just go for it like enjoy this [TS]

  get what you can out of it it will begin [TS]

  I want to say a word about Stephen Fry [TS]

  because it's the uncomfortable we have [TS]

  to talk about Stephen Fry it's days even [TS]

  tries to drive peers in this movie as [TS]

  Dietrich and he's I you know I enjoy his [TS]

  he's really got one major spot he's got [TS]

  two major sins i guess i enjoy the scene [TS]

  where he goes to his house and he is [TS]

  honest with her but also sort of like [TS]

  letting her letting her figure [TS]

  everything out and so she she makes [TS]

  assumptions because she was sent in the [TS]

  beginning of the movie she's going over [TS]

  to his house because he's a TV star and [TS]

  all that and she's going to sleep with [TS]

  him but he he he shows he shows kindness [TS]

  to her and then he shows her his [TS]

  collection of banned books and he's got [TS]

  a Koran and he's got he's got to [TS]

  generate art that I think they did it [TS]

  that is a direct reference to the Nazi [TS]

  policies about art it is it is you know [TS]

  he has the he has literally the [TS]

  degenerate art collection it behind his [TS]

  secret door [TS]

  also i love a secret door [TS]

  he's got he's got the secret door you [TS]

  gotta have that in anyhow I wish I my [TS]

  house at a secret door and and she sees [TS]

  the she sees the photos on the back wall [TS]

  and that's the moment where she kind of [TS]

  puts it together and he's just I i like [TS]

  how his dialogue in there is also really [TS]

  subtle he's like you know i'm not i'm [TS]

  not the kind of person who you know who [TS]

  would prefer that sort of thing but i [TS]

  need to be seen having in women over to [TS]

  my house and she's like oh and then she [TS]

  then she put together it's just I don't [TS]

  know he's not in the movie very long and [TS]

  I I find a lot of sympathy for him in [TS]

  that in that moment the way he plays and [TS]

  I think a lot of that is this is stephen [TS]

  fry me the script is good for him but [TS]

  even a lot of that is just that I think [TS]

  the likability and kind of melancholy of [TS]

  stephen fry you know ya solid movie you [TS]

  know Mississippi right leg goes out but [TS]

  when this car was in 2005 profile [TS]

  yeah so you know there are a lot of like [TS]

  Mississippi is not a state that's [TS]

  awesome to gay people right so I saw [TS]

  this movie in Oxford Mississippi and [TS]

  there are a lot of your closeted gay [TS]

  older people in that town so you know [TS]

  when he's having that monologue about [TS]

  how you eventually the mask you wear [TS]

  becomes the person that you are like I [TS]

  knew people in Oxford Mississippi that [TS]

  like grew up and had a family and had [TS]

  children and were absolutely gay and [TS]

  just like completely hid it so I I don't [TS]

  know I thought that whole thing was one [TS]

  more powerful part in a movie to me yeah [TS]

  and it's the one part it's the one part [TS]

  of the movie that has no analog in the [TS]

  original this is complete is completely [TS]

  original from the Wachowskis the Gordon [TS]

  Gordon Dietrich stuff the the hidden [TS]

  Korean all this of you guess the closest [TS]

  to it is that EV hooks up with a with [TS]

  with with a sort of a gangster type in [TS]

  the book [TS]

  this is this is completely different [TS]

  this is completely new uh and and it's [TS]

  one of my favorite parts in the movie I [TS]

  I like the use of fri here a lot if if [TS]

  that if the use of John Hurt is on the [TS]

  screen is a 1984 reference [TS]

  I feel I got some fahrenheit 451 coming [TS]

  from this is the trove of banned books [TS]

  it's not just that he has both the [TS]

  banned books and the art but that that I [TS]

  I felt like that was you know sort of [TS]

  what they were going for with that I [TS]

  don't love the successive scene with [TS]

  Stephen Fry where he puts on the comedy [TS]

  sketch with John heard plant [TS]

  impersonating himself only because he [TS]

  don't know it makes it makes Dietrich [TS]

  seem a little bit dumb because he he [TS]

  basically is he believes that they'll [TS]

  just slap him on the wrist and he tells [TS]

  that to his agent i kind of don't [TS]

  believe me naive I I that he would have [TS]

  gotten to the point in his career [TS]

  I could see it as I'm gonna do this and [TS]

  they can do what they want to me i'm [TS]

  gonna make a stand but that's not how he [TS]

  was portrayed he's portrayed as naive as [TS]

  like oh come on the slap me on the wrist [TS]

  of my ratings are too good and of course [TS]

  then they dragged him away and I that [TS]

  that I don't like as much I blamed v [TS]

  directly to that because right before we [TS]

  see the same when he gets dragged away [TS]

  we are with pretty and those guys as [TS]

  they get yelled at to take direct action [TS]

  about citizens putting V and it's true [TS]

  it's like it's right after that beat [TS]

  this comes out and it's a stupid [TS]

  reaction egg is he overplayed his hand [TS]

  definitely in the old days could have [TS]

  gotten away with it maybe but political [TS]

  calculus has changed drag his doody is [TS]

  on the scene that that was my read on it [TS]

  instead like yeah he's naive because he [TS]

  doesn't really understand the impacted [TS]

  he has been having he brought the stakes [TS]

  up to a level that no one was willing to [TS]

  play you can't just play with the [TS]

  establishment exactly they can't ignore [TS]

  it anymore [TS]

  I employee to just watch this movie with [TS]

  an open mind and a good heart [TS]

  yeah I am truly mystified why anyone [TS]

  would not like this movie like I think [TS]

  it's by far the strongest work the witch [TS]

  house tues have ever done and I would [TS]

  probably my third [TS]

  fourth favorite film I am utterly [TS]

  mystified the only reason come up for [TS]

  that is comic book great comic book guy [TS]

  rage about it or maybe some matrix [TS]

  matrix let down or something I don't [TS]

  worry you know how do you remember I [TS]

  never win it netflix dvds that was a [TS]

  long time ago now but when definitely [TS]

  that did the dvds and one of the things [TS]

  you would do is you would rate the [TS]

  movies as you watch them because that [TS]

  would recommend new dvds to get you [TS]

  netflix i remember this when I was [TS]

  watching at this time netflix the only [TS]

  movie in my entire time on netflix that [TS]

  I gave 5 stars2 was befriended up the [TS]

  only 1i gave 5 stars2 of all the movies [TS]

  i watched in that whatever five-year [TS]

  span it is i think it is a spectacularly [TS]

  good movie and I do think I I think [TS]

  maybe it's it's a comic book movie like [TS]

  alan moore adaptation like it leave was [TS]

  League of Extraordinary Gentlemen before [TS]

  this Robin there's there's there's maybe [TS]

  there's reasons there or maybe it's just [TS]

  that after the matrix and the sequel's [TS]

  people were kinda down on the Wachowskis [TS]

  I don't know but I I because i do think [TS]

  it's brilliant [TS]

  you know this movie has legs pics in [TS]

  30-40 years from now guess what its [TS]

  gonna be valid [TS]

  yeah I've got my quibbles with the [TS]

  politics i think that some of the [TS]

  politics of the movie or simplified [TS]

  compared to the comic book but the [TS]

  character are we are stronger i'm [TS]

  hard-pressed to safe which I like better [TS]

  because the beach movie has different [TS]

  flaws but the story and the concept of V [TS]

  for Vendetta is powerful and i think i [TS]

  think the world's better for having it [TS]

  as part of the cannon [TS]

  I'm looking across the room right now [TS]

  I've got into poster up on the wall [TS]

  this is the only witch house key [TS]

  property i have any real affinity for I [TS]

  like the matrix by was never a fan of [TS]

  you know the entire series one thing i [TS]

  want to say no [TS]

  there you go I one thing I do want to [TS]

  say I appreciate the fact that they [TS]

  invented bullet time in the matrix and [TS]

  now they've got a nice time at the end [TS]

  of it [TS]

  man I thought that was cool but know [TS]

  this movie I wrote it off because I saw [TS]

  it for the first time you over 10 years [TS]

  ago when it first came out and in the [TS]

  intervening time I kind of wrote it off [TS]

  as like a movie i like to know as a kid [TS]

  especially because again the v mask has [TS]

  been co-opted has something else and I [TS]

  had a hard time separating that meaning [TS]

  from the movie and rewatching again [TS]

  tonight I'd don't know how I could have [TS]

  felt that I really really did enjoy [TS]

  especially now not to get political yeah [TS]

  this if you really love this movie [TS]

  the audiobook i got five dollars [TS]

  inaudible and listen to it like 20 times [TS]

  it's it's it's a real expansion of this [TS]

  entire movie so if you like that gonna [TS]

  go and if you're coming for comic reader [TS]

  and you haven't bagged it is not the it [TS]

  is super dense i mean we've talked about [TS]

  a lot of alan moore on this podcast over [TS]

  the years and the fact is he is a [TS]

  challenging writer and he is there's a [TS]

  lot of reward to be gotten out of it and [TS]

  I think although it is politically very [TS]

  different and I mean yeah I i would say [TS]

  the movie is a is simplified but it's [TS]

  also very different kind of political [TS]

  stance but I think it's worth reading I [TS]

  was glad i read it is not the first alan [TS]

  moore i would point somebody to but as a [TS]

  kind of bracketing watchman I think it's [TS]

  really interesting and and if you've [TS]

  seen the movie i think it's actually [TS]

  fascinating to go back and see what the [TS]

  adaptation choices were because it is a [TS]

  very different working a lot of ways and [TS]

  yet some of the scenes are perfectly [TS]

  faithfully rendered it's a fascinating [TS]

  combination of being faithful two parts [TS]

  but making a different hole so I you [TS]

  know I definitely recommend going back [TS]

  to to the book if you are so inclined as [TS]

  concrete it's certainly an easier alan [TS]

  moore book to read then say Prometheus [TS]

  yeah I knew you were gonna say that [TS]

  alright let's wrap it up thank you to [TS]

  everybody for being here this was [TS]

  awesome i'm so glad I had this on my [TS]

  list for a few years as a favorite movie [TS]

  and I thought this might be a good time [TS]

  no no no reason to talk about a brown [TS]

  blue thank you so much for being on [TS]

  tonight yeah if you like the things [TS]

  we're talking about here look at my race [TS]

  for Congress maybe consider donating all [TS]

  right look look at that everybody wins [TS]

  here yeah chips under thank you [TS]

  I see no reason [TS]

  that v for vendetta should ever be [TS]

  forgot brian hamilton where do i donate [TS]

  to your campaign [TS]

  I don't have one but i do have to say [TS]

  our powers of observation have served as [TS]

  well almost like most thank you so much [TS]

  for being here [TS]

  smash the state and God and guy English [TS]

  here's your PhD in theology I remember [TS]

  how the meaning of words began to change [TS]

  another value equal alright well gonna [TS]

  skip the whole movie [TS]

  listen to every word that Valerie says [TS]

  you get you got it and thanks everybody [TS]

  out there for listening to this edition [TS]

  of the couple we will see you next time [TS]

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