The Talk Show

181: ‘Corporate Stiffy’, With Special Guest John Moltz

 

  we had a very fun interaction earlier [TS]

  today I i find one of the ways I mean [TS]

  clearly overall i'm rocking at light [TS]

  speed towards crotchety old man status [TS]

  I mean there's no doubt about it i mean [TS]

  you know I i can't remember i watch [TS]

  saturday night live every week I don't [TS]

  remember the last time I've ever heard [TS]

  of the musical guest musical guest [TS]

  I mean I who was the music who is [TS]

  already forgotten he's already another [TS]

  sign right but you sure [TS]

  short-term memory but there are a [TS]

  handful of ways where I feel like hey [TS]

  see I've still got it i'm with the kids [TS]

  and one of them is is I keep using emoji [TS]

  more and more and ice [TS]

  I don't know yeah there's anything i [TS]

  went to iOS add the feature where where [TS]

  the auto suggestions above the keyboard [TS]

  include emoji I think that's iOS 10 like [TS]

  it just came out like five months ago [TS]

  right but i've been using in the summer [TS]

  on beta so I i've been using it for [TS]

  seven or eight months at least I have to [TS]

  say I never really noticed that and I [TS]

  think part of it is I never used those [TS]

  auto suggestion I should just close that [TS]

  and take the space back it's like I'm [TS]

  looking at the keyboard while i type and [TS]

  me looking at the keyboard light means i [TS]

  don't see anything above the keyboard so [TS]

  I never use those and I'll men people [TS]

  who do do type faster you know like and [TS]

  it does seem when I when I do pay [TS]

  attention to it seems like the [TS]

  suggestions are sometimes amazing where [TS]

  you can type a fairly long word and it [TS]

  guesses you know you type like a or you [TS]

  have a few words and I guess is when [TS]

  right right like you type a you and [TS]

  somehow it guesses that you wanted to [TS]

  type the word authorized because of you [TS]

  know like the context of where it is [TS]

  it's like wow you can really save a lot [TS]

  of thumbtacks by just a you and then [TS]

  Auto considered anyway I noticed I've [TS]

  your your to have that I'm starting to [TS]

  notice those emoji that pop up as a [TS]

  suggestion and so I sent one to you as [TS]

  to [TS]

  and I said the word think and when you [TS]

  type the word think there's like a [TS]

  little like thought cloud with a thing [TS]

  and you said you said it looks more like [TS]

  a fart than a than a thought and I [TS]

  thought well I've got to use that [TS]

  immediately and within like 10 seconds [TS]

  of paging through what can i connect the [TS]

  fart emoji to i found a the poodle the [TS]

  dog a dog emoji and it's even pointing [TS]

  the right way where the little the [TS]

  little dot of the puffy cloud is coming [TS]

  from the doc you should I Hannah you [TS]

  should get that into the show notes i [TS]

  have been the number that you you have a [TS]

  big white book little i do yeah i know [TS]

  that's the great thing about that is [TS]

  like I mean he's not he's night [TS]

  thank God you know this is an argument [TS]

  early on we got the time with my wife [TS]

  was like you know we're getting a poodle [TS]

  I wanted to be cut like a regular dog [TS]

  and I want to have a cut like first I [TS]

  wanted to be a big I wanted to be a big [TS]

  pool I didn't want some tiny little like [TS]

  he kept you know think that's like [TS]

  shaking all the time so that was number [TS]

  one number two is like I can't have him [TS]

  cut like fancy show cool so he's mostly [TS]

  cut like a regular dog he's got he's got [TS]

  kind of like a poofy head and and and [TS]

  usually as tails a little bushy but for [TS]

  the rest the rest this is a is usually [TS]

  is usually fairly straightforward dog [TS]

  cut so so he doesn't look exactly like [TS]

  that but he is he is white and and yeah [TS]

  so it's kind of it's kind of perfect it [TS]

  is actually the emoji is actually named [TS]

  poodle it's i don't know why i don't [TS]

  know why the poodles among all dogs [TS]

  deserve their own emoji like like what [TS]

  gets an emoji and what doesn't [TS]

  is sometimes so bizarrely mhm requires [TS]

  pool yeah its own thing it how many [TS]

  other there must be other dogs there i'm [TS]

  looking i typed dog and there's one that [TS]

  there's one that's just dog it's just a [TS]

  generic dog and then there's poodle and [TS]

  i think that's it [TS]

  oh and then there's also dogs case [TS]

  there's also dog face of the others the [TS]

  others asses [TS]

  poodles are great dogs I i do not have a [TS]

  dog [TS]

  uh this is a conversation that [TS]

  occasionally comes up in and the grouper [TS]

  household of whether or not we should [TS]

  get a dog [TS]

  my belief is that we travel too much and [TS]

  that that that and we don't have any [TS]

  kind of friends or family we live who [TS]

  live in here is by design and so you [TS]

  know it would be like a candle situation [TS]

  several times a year and I just feel [TS]

  like I don't feel like that's good for [TS]

  the dog and I mean I know that like that [TS]

  candles are a little different than they [TS]

  used to be i think that there's Wi-Fi a [TS]

  little bit more like camp [TS]

  yeah applause yeah so that that's good [TS]

  you know like when we were kids I mean [TS]

  like when people had to put the dogs in [TS]

  a kennel they just put a mic in a cage [TS]

  like a look [TS]

  yeah let's little yeah you buy for cage [TS]

  that's that's that's terrible [TS]

  yeah yeah I know he and you for a while [TS]

  he was going to make everyone like when [TS]

  we got done swimming get desperate he's [TS]

  gone to this place that has like they [TS]

  sleep in cages but then during the day [TS]

  it's a doggy daycare thing so he's out [TS]

  running around with a whole bunch of [TS]

  other dogs and like up in a big room [TS]

  which is I think kind of fun for him [TS]

  although he doesn't I don't think he [TS]

  likes staying outside the house [TS]

  I think he gets anxiety about that so he [TS]

  now we have this is a big daughter of [TS]

  someone that carries to work with and [TS]

  her boyfriend come and stay and I don't [TS]

  think the daughter likes grant very much [TS]

  put the boyfriend loves great so they [TS]

  take they have it they apparently have a [TS]

  great time together and they're they're [TS]

  coming back to the next time ago and so [TS]

  they've only done that once before but [TS]

  we were gone for like two weeks so you [TS]

  know I think so there's I think this is [TS]

  a shiba inu as if i'm not mistaken [TS]

  so there's there's poodle and then [TS]

  they're Sheba you have it but when you [TS]

  hover over it just says dog so they [TS]

  might have that might be safe okay well [TS]

  yeah but I mean it's the Japanese yam so [TS]

  so it makes sense that would [TS]

  that would be the look what's your dog's [TS]

  name again we shouldn't just program [TS]

  grants like like ulysses s like you [TS]

  lousy am I love a poodle [TS]

  it was one of everything we were to get [TS]

  a dog that people would be on the short [TS]

  list you know you never hear about [TS]

  people when you're somebody has a pulley [TS]

  you never hear well that's a miserable [TS]

  angry dog that's true that's true he's [TS]

  pretty good nature [TS]

  I mean he barks like crazy it you know [TS]

  anything that goes down the street but [TS]

  he's he's good with us like I mean that [TS]

  you know and the the kid the kids not [TS]

  bad now but when he was a younger you [TS]

  know upp rough and and he's never he's [TS]

  never bitten maybe had a poodle with [TS]

  growing up named andy he was a good [TS]

  he was a really good dog and he lived a [TS]

  very light so among the things that I [TS]

  like about poodles they have good [TS]

  dispositions they do not shed [TS]

  ahh bra in there they're hypoallergenic [TS]

  that's that's the real really needed to [TS]

  get a poodle's cameras yeah and even but [TS]

  even if you're not allergic [TS]

  it's like that's the stuff that people [TS]

  are allergic to it you know kind of [TS]

  smell my minute [TS]

  yeah I and you know the hair thing is [TS]

  the drive me nuts so good disposition [TS]

  and they live a long time [TS]

  there there a long living breed i have a [TS]

  friend a friend from college who has a [TS]

  well I actually guess at this point has [TS]

  been so long has had a series of Great [TS]

  Danes with his wife and family [TS]

  oh yeah and they have great danes [TS]

  they're beautiful dogs I mean they're [TS]

  magnificent I mean but you know they're [TS]

  also to me terrifying because if they [TS]

  stood up they'd be like a treat hall but [TS]

  but they're apparently so yeah sure [TS]

  there's absolutely that's what he says [TS]

  when we've talked about it that they are [TS]

  you know they you know where they really [TS]

  are like Marmaduke [TS]

  yeah they only have like six years it's [TS]

  it's like heartbreaking signing up for [TS]

  like a series of us to constant series [TS]

  Family heartbreak where ya workin right [TS]

  where the dog is magnificent as a great [TS]

  disposition is truly part of the family [TS]

  and then he's gone [TS]

  karen was at the at the vet with Grant [TS]

  one time and there was a woman there [TS]

  with a great dane and the the dog was [TS]

  just you know was completely a wreck [TS]

  because he wasn't even knew it was at [TS]

  the veteran like you know it was totally [TS]

  nervous and so he was [TS]

  hey he was sitting on her lap but [TS]

  because because his front legs were so [TS]

  long he had his front legs on the floor [TS]

  was butter but what if you could just [TS]

  like you know he was shivering because [TS]

  he was terror I maybe had a pool and he [TS]

  live and candy was i I swear to God I [TS]

  think he might have been like 18 when he [TS]

  died which is yeah i mean at least 17 it [TS]

  was really a long time and he was like [TS]

  stone called death for the last few [TS]

  years and but but it wasn't as though he [TS]

  could still imagine sounds and so like [TS]

  you'd be sleeping and there was this [TS]

  service is so it was just great it was [TS]

  great dog it all life and it was great [TS]

  and old age but you know II there was a [TS]

  vent near the the family like imac to [TS]

  the side I event in the floor and that [TS]

  was like his spot because he just get [TS]

  that soak up the heat and everyone you [TS]

  know you just snap out of his sleep [TS]

  because he liked dreams out and go [TS]

  roaring toward the door like a young dog [TS]

  barking up a storm [TS]

  you know like maybe he imagined the [TS]

  mailman was there you know but there was [TS]

  no longer any correlation between the [TS]

  mailman actually coming in when he would [TS]

  not have no idea man i had a dog growing [TS]

  up it was a we got from we just saw like [TS]

  an ad in the paper and just took like [TS]

  not really a rescue dog but just some [TS]

  and I no woman had literally like a [TS]

  trailer park [TS]

  Chester i love the son-of-a-bitch [TS]

  but he was he was really nasty he was it [TS]

  was it was a supposedly about [TS]

  three-quarters poodle and one-quarter [TS]

  Pekinese I think the nasty part came [TS]

  from the kinds you get it does get Karen [TS]

  Karen Pekinese growing up and she would [TS]

  get she said you got better all the time [TS]

  they were just buy a condo Chester [TS]

  Chester would you sort of built more [TS]

  like a poodle [TS]

  I did not shed but he didn't his hair [TS]

  was curly ish but not you know like [TS]

  poodle tight curls black-and-white and [TS]

  he had a terrible underbite I was is not [TS]

  for mode not from good breeding but i [TS]

  love this son-of-a-bitch when he was in [TS]

  a good mood here is the greatest dog and [TS]

  he was kind of smart and then winter [TS]

  ways to put t-shirts on him we would [TS]

  just buy like like a like a a you know [TS]

  Scott Sizemore's a toddler cut out a [TS]

  little bit for the PN at the belly and [TS]

  then put it on backwards so that the [TS]

  logo would be on his back and he used to [TS]

  love wearing shirts and you could just [TS]

  say Chandi go get your shirt and he [TS]

  would he it was as though you said [TS]

  chetty i'm going to give you a hamburger [TS]

  you know like he would he would like [TS]

  light up and he'd go tearing to where we [TS]

  kept his shirt get it and then bring it [TS]

  to you [TS]

  well he could be so smart but then [TS]

  another thing he would like to do is he [TS]

  would like to crawl under any of our [TS]

  sofas and just stay there for hours at a [TS]

  time and if your feet got near meet snap [TS]

  at him I swear to god swear to god he'd [TS]

  stay under for three or four hours [TS]

  Danny and sometimes when he was down [TS]

  there he would just go it would just be [TS]

  like like a low growl non-stop [TS]

  oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I mean little [TS]

  dogs like that the evidences to love [TS]

  being in because we had we had a little [TS]

  westie and Scotty when I was growing up [TS]

  and the scottie actually study was half [TS]

  Westie to and the scottie that which are [TS]

  to do those two dogs did not get along [TS]

  but the people who live next door had a [TS]

  westie and our Scotty got along really [TS]

  well with their west and so that dog [TS]

  would come in and out of our house all [TS]

  the time and I remember one time we had [TS]

  to go someplace [TS]

  and they're like you to get the other [TS]

  guy camera that dog's name you gotta get [TS]

  em out get em out [TS]

  that's why go up by go upstairs in the [TS]

  two of them are just like they're under [TS]

  my parents bed just like under there [TS]

  like making a fort and you know and I [TS]

  try to reach under their dick gravity [TS]

  that was like I loved I loved chatting [TS]

  like reaching into a dinner i love that [TS]

  dog for his his effectively you know [TS]

  bipolar nature loved the other thing [TS]

  about gesture was Eva's a complete idiot [TS]

  I he when every man a strange dog he [TS]

  would want to attack it and you know it [TS]

  was only like and i dont les the [TS]

  knee-high it wasn't like a tiny little [TS]

  dog but you know it was like a regular [TS]

  people not the big standard poodle [TS]

  sighs and he would he would go after [TS]

  like you know like if you sound like [TS]

  somebody walking a Doberman or whatever [TS]

  you want to get a fight it's like what [TS]

  he what he thinking you have no chickens [TS]

  like he was left to his own in nature [TS]

  he'd be dead he would even find a big [TS]

  dog and go get killed but yeah no [TS]

  they're not they're not bright [TS]

  he did have had the same thing where he [TS]

  knew when he was going to the vet and [TS]

  and he would be there and he was to take [TS]

  them in a car lots of places including [TS]

  places that were in the general vicinity [TS]

  of where that was and somehow he always [TS]

  know always yeah well he and grant was [TS]

  always like that with them we take the [TS]

  doggie daycare won't take very much [TS]

  anymore because we both work out of the [TS]

  house now but um when we get close to [TS]

  the black or the doggie daycare was it [TS]

  starred let's get super excited because [TS]

  you know that he was going to just run [TS]

  around like an idiot for four hours with [TS]

  some other dogs [TS]

  aah good stuff so yeah you should get a [TS]

  dog [TS]

  here let me take a break what better [TS]

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  three or four our five hundred dollars [TS]

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  have been bundles before Apple several [TS]

  years ago introduce the app store which [TS]

  is a new thing but there's never been [TS]

  anything like this like a subscription [TS]

  service where you get apps from entire a [TS]

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  really hope this thing takes off i think [TS]

  it's already a great value go to set up [TS]

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  couldn't i didn't know how exactly how [TS]

  it works it is as simple as it sounds [TS]

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  what you need if you're thinking it's [TS]

  too good to be true [TS]

  it's it's not there is no catch [TS]

  if they're the thing I was fine with [TS]

  those bundles is they often like [TS]

  developers seem to like put they'll put [TS]

  their previous version right into the [TS]

  bundle because they know the new version [TS]

  is coming out soon so they want to get [TS]

  you to pay the upgrade price when the [TS]

  new version comes out but it's not it's [TS]

  you know it when I when I first pitch me [TS]

  on it at WWDC that you know they wanted [TS]

  a couple minutes with me just to you [TS]

  know see what I thought my ideas I i was [TS]

  very I got very defensive in the meaning [TS]

  not you I like them they're nice people [TS]

  but I did because I will tell me what [TS]

  the caches and I really my gut feeling [TS]

  was you know they were talking like we [TS]

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  first moment was I don't know if I'm [TS]

  gonna be able to accept this because if [TS]

  there's going to be some kind of onerous [TS]

  catch that's going to trick people I [TS]

  don't you know that you know and there [TS]

  is no catch i wouldn't take the [TS]

  sponsorship it where it's that simple [TS]

  and it's a great deal to go check them [TS]

  out [TS]

  setup setup com we could parlay that [TS]

  into one of the topics i wanted to talk [TS]

  about this week was the ipad now with [TS]

  this setup is obviously because of the [TS]

  nature of iOS it's matt only one of the [TS]

  things I've written about this week and [TS]

  and was the difference between the ipad [TS]

  as a seven-year-old platform and the mac [TS]

  as a seven-year-old platform back in [TS]

  1991 and just how much more powerful the [TS]

  mac was a platform after seven years [TS]

  than the ipad is in terms of what I [TS]

  struggled to find a term for the self i [TS]

  called it self-sufficiency in other [TS]

  words can you just use this platform to [TS]

  do everything like and two examples of [TS]

  things that you can't do on an ipad [TS]

  would be you can't make ipad apps on an [TS]

  iPad because there's no there's no xcode [TS]

  for ipad or anything like you know even [TS]

  similar any other example at which i [TS]

  think is a little bit more like like a [TS]

  head-scratcher is that you can't make [TS]

  you can't there's no ibooks author for [TS]

  ipad like it's clearer than I iBooks [TS]

  Author the the that that format is best [TS]

  on ipad you get works on your phone and [TS]

  you can read it on your Mac to into the [TS]

  iBooks app but when somebody makes one [TS]

  of these rich interactive ibooks it is [TS]

  no doubt in my mind that it is best on [TS]

  an ipad with touch and with the it this [TS]

  sort of viewing intimacy of the ipad [TS]

  that when you read a book you know it's [TS]

  it [TS]

  no surprises literally from like the [TS]

  2010 ipad announcement with steve jobs [TS]

  you know why he had that chair there [TS]

  it's a device for like sitting back in a [TS]

  chair and reading which is what you do [TS]

  with a book but you can't make an ipad [TS]

  book on an iPad because there's no ipad [TS]

  author or what is I was caught iBooks [TS]

  Author i bought the other no no I was [TS]

  only a mac up [TS]

  and I think that's a little weird i [TS]

  think you know like it would have been [TS]

  weird if seven years into the mac you [TS]

  still couldn't create mac apps on a mac [TS]

  and even weirder if you couldn't create [TS]

  like the documents you have you want to [TS]

  read on the mac on the Mac yeah it seems [TS]

  like an easy way I mean it seems like an [TS]

  easy one to do I mean like it and not [TS]

  necessarily easy like it from a program [TS]

  programming perspective but it doesn't [TS]

  really ruin their philosophy right to do [TS]

  that [TS]

  I mean it works with the philosophy and [TS]

  rather than against it [TS]

  I i think yeah yeah and i think that the [TS]

  xcode the idea of xcode on ipad sort of [TS]

  works against that philosophy i think i [TS]

  think it would happen eventually I think [TS]

  and I i'm pretty sure Apple is working [TS]

  on a pretty sure there is an Xcode for [TS]

  ipad that's been several years in the [TS]

  works in cupertino but it's a lower [TS]

  priority but I sort of yeah I don't have [TS]

  any information on how it works i just [TS]

  know that there's a team working on [TS]

  something like that but shocker there's [TS]

  teams working on just about anything [TS]

  that makes sense like that but I kind of [TS]

  think though that it might be a [TS]

  different way of making apps like I [TS]

  don't like the way the xcode works now [TS]

  on the mac is a very very unique see [TS]

  behind-the-scenes is a very very unique [TS]

  see the thing is yes a visual front end [TS]

  for a lot of things that run at the [TS]

  command line level which isn't really [TS]

  there is a unix you know obviously with [TS]

  the core OS being the same that's their [TS]

  on ipad but i'm not quite sure that that [TS]

  works that that work the same way i [TS]

  think it might be like a more simplified [TS]

  way to make apps they would be relapse [TS]

  but more I don't know less less fiddly [TS]

  yeah yeah my flash sort of maybe you [TS]

  know like like I'm really surprised if i [TS]

  would guess that it would work like this [TS]

  like that they'd come out with ICANN a [TS]

  new way to make apps that's a little [TS]

  simpler little bit higher level more [TS]

  abstract [TS]

  and you could share that same project [TS]

  with xcode on the mac so that the one [TS]

  you're developing on the ipad you could [TS]

  develop on the mac but if you have a [TS]

  more complex app or a legacy app that [TS]

  was already started on xcode on the mac [TS]

  that not every not everything you do on [TS]

  the Mac you could do on the ipad version [TS]

  but everything you do in your head you [TS]

  could do in the app does that make sense [TS]

  I could see ya yeah but i think that the [TS]

  the iBooks Author thing is more telling [TS]

  about Apple's priorities and and where [TS]

  they see the ipad i just it because i [TS]

  think it in theory it should be there [TS]

  and I think one of the reasons it's not [TS]

  is sort of proof on this whole like a [TS]

  art our people worried about Apple's [TS]

  commitment to the future of the mac i [TS]

  think it's one of those things that that [TS]

  makes my case which I've been arguing on [TS]

  the show with the last few guests in [TS]

  favor of I don't think Apple has I don't [TS]

  think apple is any less committed to the [TS]

  mac than at any point in the past i [TS]

  think the mac has a bright future and I [TS]

  think the fact that they don't have I'd [TS]

  you know they see it as fine that I [TS]

  books authors mac only is is evidence [TS]

  that it was the last time the updated if [TS]

  there was a minor update in I looked I [TS]

  thought it was like forever ago [TS]

  like maybe the bigger problem by books [TS]

  authors that they're just not committed [TS]

  ibooks period that they sort of lost [TS]

  their corporate i don't know i was going [TS]

  to say stiffy stiffy write books ever [TS]

  since you know since they gets I mean [TS]

  thankyou it came out of the gate I mean [TS]

  even had a special event just for ibooks [TS]

  it was that weird it one off event at [TS]

  the yeah what the heck's the name of [TS]

  that Museum in New York terrible with [TS]

  that stuff like that anyway that the one [TS]

  from men in black [TS]

  I know it was men in black [TS]

  they had a big wasn't media that like in [TS]

  the first men in black [TS]

  where oh where ya at the beginning [TS]

  reactants or he's is the grand [TS]

  Guggenheim that tip yeah yeah [TS]

  will smith chases an alien at up there [TS]

  and that's how you kind of draws the [TS]

  attention of the men in black you know [TS]

  just as a quick aside computer Peter [TS]

  Cohen mentioned this day and Twitter [TS]

  which blew my mind [TS]

  did you know that you know the guy you [TS]

  know better and that the movie the guy [TS]

  that they the bug that puts the skin on [TS]

  the guy skin on [TS]

  oh the this am the alien like I mean [TS]

  he's like he's the gaming is like the [TS]

  main bad guy right I need you know but [TS]

  he skins that he eats the guy enzyme and [TS]

  put the skin on the that's Vincent [TS]

  D'Onofrio I knew that I didn't know idea [TS]

  that blew my mind I was like oh my god [TS]

  that's incredible [TS]

  yeah anyway I didn't know that he [TS]

  doesn't really i think it's easy if it [TS]

  doesn't really look like them for more [TS]

  than 30 second [TS]

  yeah that's right everybody listen to [TS]

  him though it's you can definitely hear [TS]

  the attempt [TS]

  baby i love that movie I maybe I i see [TS]

  it as evidence that Apple is committed [TS]

  to the mac that they're willing to do it [TS]

  i would be frustrated though what I [TS]

  would be frustrated and it's fine by me [TS]

  because i love the mac i would rather I [TS]

  would gladly if somebody said to me you [TS]

  can only use out of iphone ipad and mac [TS]

  you can only use two of the three for [TS]

  the next year and you can't touch the [TS]

  other 1i would instantly would take me [TS]

  it would take me less time than to say [TS]

  it i would just get rid of the ipad i [TS]

  was a mac and iphone are all I need ipad [TS]

  is totally secondary thing for me [TS]

  I in fact I sometimes go like a week and [TS]

  I don't even know where the hell my ipad [TS]

  is I do like it i use it mostly valued [TS]

  I'd swear my most frequent uses in [TS]

  baseball season using it as a TV to [TS]

  watch yankees games [TS]

  yeah yeah that's probably I think [TS]

  entertainment is now I used to take it [TS]

  when a community of tests yet all it [TS]

  would take it to write with the keyboard [TS]

  but now it's basically it is to [TS]

  basically games in and watching netflix [TS]

  anything so for me as somebody who from [TS]

  my work wants the mac to remain a [TS]

  thriving platform it's music to my ears [TS]

  like I would actually be slightly more [TS]

  worried if the ipad were more capable [TS]

  because it would at least lend some [TS]

  credence to the idea that Apple thinks [TS]

  the ipad is the future personal [TS]

  computing the fact that it isn't even [TS]

  after seven years it's actually just [TS]

  gives me confidence in their commitment [TS]

  to the mac but i'd be frustrated and it [TS]

  would be angering to me if I were one of [TS]

  the people who is really trying to make [TS]

  a go of of using the ipad is there [TS]

  full-time platform you know the been [TS]

  Brooks's and and veteran goes of the [TS]

  world I would find that very frustrating [TS]

  because it's the last seven years it [TS]

  really makes me think about you know [TS]

  this comparison to and if for some [TS]

  reason 77 seems like an arbitrary number [TS]

  but it's funny because 1991 was when I [TS]

  got my first mac i mean i used one [TS]

  school before but I didn't own one and [TS]

  that's when system 7 came out which I've [TS]

  you know it was a big big landmark in i [TS]

  mean i think was the landmark yeah the [TS]

  early days I would say system 7 was the [TS]

  division between the early days of mac [TS]

  OS and the later days of mac OS I mean [TS]

  and maybe that's a little arbitrary but [TS]

  i don't think so I mean it was when they [TS]

  changed the whole bunch of things like [TS]

  remember when it control panels i forget [TS]

  how you used to install and system 6 [TS]

  they were sort of more like like [TS]

  suitcase type things where ends well [TS]

  yeah that's right handed it and yeah [TS]

  third party ones were weird and then in [TS]

  system 700 panels became a lot more like [TS]

  apps where they were just self-contained [TS]

  things and you just put them in a folder [TS]

  in your stairs you know your system [TS]

  folder at the root level and yes I was a [TS]

  folder called control panels and you [TS]

  just put them in there and you wanted on [TS]

  install one you just took it out and [TS]

  restarted [TS]

  it was a beautiful system that it was it [TS]

  yeah but it was your specific or just [TS]

  crashed [TS]

  oh I disagree I i disagree i really do I [TS]

  don't like it when people say that the [TS]

  system set from air max crashed all the [TS]

  time I think the Ark of the art of being [TS]

  a power user on one system 7 aeromax was [TS]

  you would start running the basic system [TS]

  and you would be let you fall in love [TS]

  with the mac and then you'd get into the [TS]

  nerd community and you start finding out [TS]

  about Annette's yeah and extensions and [TS]

  these extensions could sometimes do like [TS]

  just change like a little slight thing [TS]

  but it's like oh I like that like now [TS]

  your mouse cursor is a dog you know and [TS]

  right brain and that's kind of easy like [TS]

  all that in it would do is just sort of [TS]

  swap out the system's cursor and point [TS]

  to this other cursor instead and okay [TS]

  there you go now your cursor is a smurf [TS]

  and you know you'd get more and more you [TS]

  know and then all the all the time when [TS]

  you go empty trash Oscar papa oscar the [TS]

  grouch pops out of your trashcan and [TS]

  sings a song which was a door of it like [TS]

  if you didn't have the Grouch extension [TS]

  installed on your mac for at least a [TS]

  month or two then you've got no soul and [TS]

  but the broader yeah but the problem is [TS]

  it leads to such yeah i mean i think [TS]

  what happened was like it in those early [TS]

  days we didn't have enough stuff that [TS]

  would you know really cause a lot of [TS]

  trouble and then as more things came out [TS]

  it became worse and worse and worse and [TS]

  then you know by the time system it came [TS]

  out they had to have other basically put [TS]

  a thing in there to manage all your [TS]

  wrong with star remember and [TS]

  specifically the one that everybody knew [TS]

  I mean at least anybody did design work [TS]

  had to have an extension called Adobe [TS]

  type manager ATM did you have did you [TS]

  have ATM or no because you did I don't [TS]

  think I did but I didn't do so that I [TS]

  think that ATM did was natively the [TS]

  system wanted truetype funds [TS]

  four vector fonts but almost all of the [TS]

  professional fonts that you could buy [TS]

  were in postscript format and to get [TS]

  them to look wysiwyg on-screen you [TS]

  needed adobe type manager apple/system [TS]

  didn't natively render PostScript fonts [TS]

  and you needed post-grad plans to do [TS]

  serious work so you'd have to have ATM [TS]

  installed but ATM would load first [TS]

  because it starts with an AI mean it [TS]

  almost certainly loaded first and if not [TS]

  it loaded certainly loaded early but you [TS]

  can you had the load at last because it [TS]

  it would it conflicted with so much [TS]

  stuff you had to load it last so [TS]

  everybody i think it even shipped i [TS]

  think about when you installed it from [TS]

  adobe if you bought it straight up legit [TS]

  i forget everything we had to buy maybe [TS]

  they gave it away but the way adobe gave [TS]

  it to you [TS]

  the file was named like tilde 80s and [TS]

  our quickfire forget what character was [TS]

  before it but it was some kind of [TS]

  punctuation character that in Apple's [TS]

  sorting algorithm of the time would load [TS]

  last and that was a little bit anyway [TS]

  in my opinion the curve of being a mac [TS]

  power user and note in the nineties was [TS]

  you'd start getting more and more [TS]

  extensions and remember when you boot [TS]

  and you'd see that every time an [TS]

  extension loaded you see the icon during [TS]

  the boot sequence and then you get a [TS]

  second line of them at third line so it [TS]

  was like a bell curve you start getting [TS]

  a little bomb [TS]

  no don't know then they would just stop [TS]

  you did it was like one of them was [TS]

  loaded and it would just stop and you'd [TS]

  be like uh-oh that shit and then you do [TS]

  it at you I me everybody remembers you [TS]

  gotta remember how did you how did you [TS]

  start up and not load extensions of [TS]

  course right you didn't have to you [TS]

  probably have to think more about it to [TS]

  say your hand probably already went to [TS]

  the shift key right [TS]

  it was just you just had muscle memory [TS]

  of how to restart your Mac with the [TS]

  shift key down now but then what would [TS]

  happen is you max out and you'd be so [TS]

  proud of how many extensions you have [TS]

  but your Mac would be unstable and then [TS]

  all of a sudden you do you would that [TS]

  you delight with China and you'd say [TS]

  more extensions is not a good thing [TS]

  fewer extensions and you should run it [TS]

  closer and closer as close as you can to [TS]

  the configuration that ships with like [TS]

  its a Mac out-of-the-box from app [TS]

  all without any other extensions was [TS]

  always an extremely stable device now it [TS]

  i'm not saying it never crashed I mean [TS]

  but usually it was completely in [TS]

  applications fault the system itself was [TS]

  stable and so by the end of it you know [TS]

  by the end of the classic here i added a [TS]

  few system extensions as possible [TS]

  everyone was one that i felt like i [TS]

  could not do without and from a [TS]

  reputable vendor yeah and you eat [TS]

  development sense right with conflict [TS]

  catcher because like yeah if I'm going [TS]

  to do like publishing today and then [TS]

  i'll do it with my publishing set and [TS]

  i'm going to play like a game and I need [TS]

  some sort of 3ds and a minimal and any [TS]

  other things sometimes if you wanted to [TS]

  play a game as you did you reboot with a [TS]

  minimal step just to free up as much ram [TS]

  is one of all keep it keep it as light [TS]

  as possible [TS]

  ram don't haha man i love the mag I [TS]

  thought I love the classic Mac I i think [TS]

  it still is overall a simpler conceptual [TS]

  design than Mac os10 I think that was [TS]

  tennis way too fiddly and exposes way [TS]

  too many goofy bits [TS]

  I you know iOS clearly takes the cake [TS]

  and and and yeah I become comfortable [TS]

  with the goofy because at this point but [TS]

  there is a there is a min let the fact [TS]

  that you can you can just drag a system [TS]

  folder from Mac the Mac and reboot it [TS]

  was pretty cool but they're there were [TS]

  definitely some parts of the classic Mac [TS]

  system that you can cannot defend as [TS]

  elegant design like yeah for example by [TS]

  the nineties this is just an expert in [TS]

  the eighties when it came out it made [TS]

  perfect sense but in the nineties by the [TS]

  by night it should have been fixed with [TS]

  system 7 but I know why it wasn't [TS]

  because the legacy reasons that they [TS]

  were carrying all this baggage but the [TS]

  fact that you had to allocate memory to [TS]

  programs with get info [TS]

  oh my god for people who are in a [TS]

  classic mac OS users what you would do [TS]

  is you'd find any application and you go [TS]

  get info and in the info it would have a [TS]

  text field where it would say how much [TS]

  ram was allocated and so developers when [TS]

  they ship their apps would buy you know [TS]

  typically they would have a basic I'd [TS]

  never believed would have you know they [TS]

  would ship it with a a pre-configured [TS]

  you when you first downloaded the app [TS]

  and all that [TS]

  it would have a default that was defined [TS]

  by the developer so photoshop by default [TS]

  would take a lot more ram then you know [TS]

  a simple a very simple lightweight app [TS]

  that just I don't know capitalizes law [TS]

  letters for you or something like that [TS]

  but you could as the user it was just a [TS]

  text field and get info you could give a [TS]

  nap more or less as needed [TS]

  it does not seem like something that the [TS]

  computer for the rest of us you should [TS]

  force you to do you have really you know [TS]

  I can't defend them [TS]

  yeah I i can remember like it you know [TS]

  not that windows 95 was greater and but [TS]

  you know at least like some some level [TS]

  protected memory was was that the one [TS]

  thing that I was like man that would be [TS]

  nice to prepare the very not everything [TS]

  but I really worried is mac apps had [TS]

  programmers who were clever enough to [TS]

  get around it so photoshop at a certain [TS]

  point used to use a ramdisk its own [TS]

  ramdisk and so you didn't have to you [TS]

  could open big files in Photoshop and [TS]

  not have to really worry about having [TS]

  given it enough rent it would do it on [TS]

  its own and BB and famously was able to [TS]

  operate with a very small it was like [TS]

  that that the instructions for BB Edward [TS]

  do not screw with the default amount of [TS]

  ram it doesn't need much and bbedit had [TS]

  a a a brilliant scheme where you can [TS]

  open files you know it as big as the [TS]

  text file is how much ram PB and it [TS]

  needs to to display it but it could be [TS]

  way more than what the app had because [TS]

  it would allocate the memory outside of [TS]

  that allocation that you got from get [TS]

  info it managed so memory separately [TS]

  which was fantastic but neither here nor [TS]

  there [TS]

  I don't know what do I would be [TS]

  frustrated if I were at ipad first user [TS]

  I guess it really depends on what your [TS]

  means just depends what you're doing I [TS]

  think there's there's definitely there [TS]

  are definitely things that i do that [TS]

  would be I would find frustrating but I [TS]

  don't do them that often i think I'm [TS]

  somebody who probably could do most of [TS]

  my work on and I I there's no way I'm [TS]

  because it's mostly mostly i'm writing [TS]

  and then I'm taking it and i use Ulysses [TS]

  which is one of those apps and Santana [TS]

  and that's in setup and I i write it up [TS]

  and then I taken i'd put it someplace [TS]

  you know i usually either either take [TS]

  the file and send it to somebody or a [TS]

  posted into some sort of web-based and [TS]

  CMS so how would you get recordings [TS]

  jihad cast [TS]

  well that's it that's it that's one [TS]

  thing right [TS]

  you can't mean you can report record [TS]

  podcasts on iOS devices i have not done [TS]

  it yet it's but it's jumping through a [TS]

  whole bunch of Hoops whereas there's [TS]

  like 10 different there's ten different [TS]

  easy ways to record a podcast on a mac [TS]

  at least right you just open i'm using [TS]

  two separate ones right now I ya know i [TS]

  guess i'm just using one but that's [TS]

  you're probably smarter than me [TS]

  well it's because it's becoming a [TS]

  problem with it like you can record you [TS]

  just have these other apps running and [TS]

  you know or i use call recorder which is [TS]

  an extension for skype and there's no [TS]

  way that you can install an extension [TS]

  for an app on ipad yeah and it's just [TS]

  know it [TS]

  I don't know it's just another example [TS]

  of the type of thing and I know that [TS]

  I've listened to a couple of podcasts [TS]

  where there's like a web-based thing [TS]

  that somebody's working i forget the [TS]

  name of it i heard smell talking about [TS]

  it recently [TS]

  ok edit yeah you can like record too [TS]

  it's like a way that they could kind of [TS]

  people can get on and you just use I [TS]

  think it's ridiculous that the answer to [TS]

  getting people to record podcasts on an [TS]

  ipad is to use a web app instead of a [TS]

  native app because it the gist of it is [TS]

  that all you need is the microphone then [TS]

  and the server side does the recording [TS]

  you know like it records that the webapp [TS]

  records little bit and as you go keep [TS]

  sending it to the server so like if the [TS]

  connection breaks or whatever [TS]

  it's not you know you don't lose the [TS]

  whole the only lose like a couple [TS]

  seconds at a time I think it's [TS]

  ridiculous that it's not a local thing [TS]

  that the solution is to do it all on the [TS]

  web [TS]

  anyway at the gist of it is that in in [TS]

  the midst of all of this months-long [TS]

  storm and drunk / i think apple is I [TS]

  think apples you know abandoning the mac [TS]

  i think they're trying to force all to [TS]

  use iPads and in the midst of all this [TS]

  I've been more or less on the side of i [TS]

  don't think so i really think the max [TS]

  fine but I think lost in this is the [TS]

  opposite which is at the ipad is nowhere [TS]

  near as powerful as it should be at this [TS]

  point in time you should be able to [TS]

  record a video you know have that record [TS]

  a podcast you know three native apps [TS]

  there should be a way to have two apps [TS]

  at a time using the microphone so that [TS]

  one could be skype sending the [TS]

  communication over the Internet and the [TS]

  other one can be a call recorder type [TS]

  thing [TS]

  there's no way there's no reason you [TS]

  shouldn't be able to do that I yeah I [TS]

  add I don't know I'd be frustrated i [TS]

  think that that is it different is it [TS]

  still just the thing of like walking [TS]

  into agreements and maybe I don't do we [TS]

  keep coming back to that right but [TS]

  particular i don't know i don't know you [TS]

  know maybe I think the other thing to [TS]

  have been thinking about this a lot [TS]

  lately too is where does this idea that [TS]

  the that the ipad is that Apple is going [TS]

  to push the sweeping up Mac aside in [TS]

  favor of the ipad i think a large part [TS]

  comes down to what Tim Cook said when [TS]

  they debuted in the ipad pro where tim [TS]

  cook right ahead i don't have it in [TS]

  front of me but it's something to the [TS]

  effect of these it means that he doesn't [TS]

  somehow he never said that he's never [TS]

  said that he has said that he took I [TS]

  think he said that he's travelled only [TS]

  with an ipad but it like like when he [TS]

  went to find out when he went to when he [TS]

  invited ABC News into is his office in [TS]

  cupertino to do an interview about the [TS]

  FBI sanburne Bernardino case there's a [TS]

  big imac on his desk is not a 5k imac on [TS]

  his desk so I mean he's got one on his [TS]

  desk like it if he didn't use it i can't [TS]

  imagine why you have it on his desk [TS]

  I find it very hard to believe that team [TS]

  coaches not using Mac I would be shocked [TS]

  if he actually said that he has said [TS]

  that he travels only with an ipad has [TS]

  said that he thinks there's many people [TS]

  many users who can get by with only an [TS]

  ipad but i think it was his words that [TS]

  this is are the best like example of our [TS]

  vision for the future of personal [TS]

  computing you know said something to the [TS]

  effect of that and I think that it was I [TS]

  i if you take it literally it sort of [TS]

  sounds like yeah he's saying that this [TS]

  is going to be the future and and [TS]

  everything else like the men you know [TS]

  which would include the mac is is by the [TS]

  way so I think he was just selling the [TS]

  ipad pro I I don't really think he meant [TS]

  it that way i think that you know i [TS]

  think that the better i mean the press [TS]

  the problem is that you know you have [TS]

  that you have that statement you have [TS]

  some release you know I think there's a [TS]

  there's a cat least a couple statements [TS]

  that he's made about stuff like that and [TS]

  then and then the early every year like [TS]

  2016 where they don't really update the [TS]

  matter much and they have the desktop [TS]

  ones are just surrender [TS]

  I think that so the convergence of those [TS]

  two things and make them think but I [TS]

  don't think that it was an example you [TS]

  know not right they didn't update the [TS]

  ipad they haven't updated the ipad and [TS]

  over a year either right well didn't [TS]

  that the 12 what the the pro the smaller [TS]

  pro came out and April right now could [TS]

  ya last April so it will be if they have [TS]

  our march i guess you'll be it'll be a [TS]

  year [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah they didn't write it in [TS]

  the fall which they live right and yeah [TS]

  like sand so the 12-inch 13 inch iPad [TS]

  pro hasn't been updated now in over a [TS]

  year [TS]

  it came out alongside the the iphone [TS]

  last year or at least it was debuted [TS]

  alongside the iphone came out in October [TS]

  whatever but that's been unchanged for [TS]

  over a year so I don't think I i think [TS]

  that lack of updates to hardware should [TS]

  not are not necessarily indicative of [TS]

  their commitment to to the platform [TS]

  I think that the annual update to the OS [TS]

  is a better sign of their commitment to [TS]

  the platform [TS]

  yeah I don't know what the explanation [TS]

  is but i'd be frustrated I i would the [TS]

  Ulysses was my description of it's sort [TS]

  of like an ide for writing is that is [TS]

  that a good description [TS]

  wake up yeah yeah yeah I mean it's uh to [TS]

  me it and I used to write in bbedit all [TS]

  the time and mostly right mark down and [TS]

  so what I wanted something that was [TS]

  better at arranging the files so Ulysses [TS]

  is like that it gives you know you can [TS]

  create folders and projects and stuff [TS]

  like that you know it's it's somewhere [TS]

  in between [TS]

  you know it's like between bbedit and [TS]

  the Scrivener you know it's not as fancy [TS]

  Scrivener it doesn't have you know [TS]

  things for writing scripts and things [TS]

  like that it you can't put mean you can [TS]

  we can't put pictures in and like you [TS]

  know scrapbook stuff that when you're [TS]

  building characters and things that you [TS]

  know things to write books you're [TS]

  reading of like a full book you probably [TS]

  want to use Scrivener but you could [TS]

  write a full book and universities to [TS]

  and it has an ipad version in the end [TS]

  they sink right yeah [TS]

  yep yep and that's the nice thing I me [TS]

  and iso it works on iphone ipad and and [TS]

  the map it's always in been one of those [TS]

  apps that peach sort of appeals to me [TS]

  but never never pushes me over the edge [TS]

  it took me awhile it really took me a [TS]

  while to get used to that i've been [TS]

  using bb-8 for years and I couldn't get [TS]

  used to it but then finally I think it [TS]

  was like one of the recent update so [TS]

  i've been using it for cat two years a [TS]

  year and a half something like that and [TS]

  very happy with i still use bbedit for [TS]

  certain things but and you know I know [TS]

  Apple has done apple has some of their [TS]

  apps that work great [TS]

  cross-platform i think that the i have [TS]

  complaints about the mac version of [TS]

  photos being not mac like enough and [TS]

  sort of it just feels like an app [TS]

  written by iOS just programmers not mad [TS]

  programmers by in terms of actually [TS]

  sinking and having photos that i take my [TS]

  iphone just magically appear on my mac [TS]

  and changes you know I edited by [TS]

  straightening you know I one of the [TS]

  things I mean I take thousands of photos [TS]

  year and [TS]

  like not serious but like semi-serious [TS]

  you know I don't like a four thousand [TS]

  dollar canon SLR you know with counting [TS]

  the lenses i cannot take a straight [TS]

  picture I mean 20 years into avid [TS]

  amateur photography hobby i stopped [TS]

  every almost every photo i take the [TS]

  horizon is coming is crooked [TS]

  so like straightening images is just I [TS]

  do it all the time and i love these [TS]

  straighten it on it doesn't matter which [TS]

  device you straighten it on there it is [TS]

  it's synced up to your iCloud I love it [TS]

  and I works suite now that they've you [TS]

  know they had hit the reset button [TS]

  you know four years there was like the [TS]

  iOS versions which had a certain file [TS]

  format and the mac versions which had [TS]

  file formats that couldn't round trip [TS]

  because it used features and hit the [TS]

  reset button and the the only way to do [TS]

  it is to sort of set the mac back but [TS]

  they've gotten them to the point now [TS]

  where most of what did the mac apps [TS]

  could always do they can do everywhere [TS]

  now you know so that I work sounds very [TS]

  good example but Ulysses just shows that [TS]

  third-party developers and I think a lot [TS]

  of ways are better are doing a better [TS]

  job of making the ipad appear to the mac [TS]

  of a peer not appear [TS]

  Yeah Yeah right a sibling a full-fledged [TS]

  sibling to the man whose annapolis you [TS]

  know and with ibooks author yeah as [TS]

  Exhibit A [TS]

  yeah it's a fairly I mean it's a [TS]

  relatively simple a podium and I'm not [TS]

  trying to that's proud that came out [TS]

  wrong [TS]

  I mean that's one of the things I like [TS]

  about it it's not there are there aren't [TS]

  like a huge number of bells and whistles [TS]

  and and it you know it lets you get into [TS]

  the writing which is what i want to do [TS]

  but it gives me enough flexibility in [TS]

  terms of arranging things that it's it's [TS]

  got exactly what i want so it it you [TS]

  know it doesn't have to do anything [TS]

  super freaky like me and stuff that's [TS]

  not allowed on I know what else is doing [TS]

  it all [TS]

  I'm amazing job on on treating the ipad [TS]

  as it as a first-class platform for [TS]

  creative people is on the group [TS]

  yeah I it then again I I think better [TS]

  than apple III really do OS yeah well i [TS]

  think the I mean they're like they're [TS]

  that the forefront and they made that [TS]

  decision and I mean I assuming that is [TS]

  working out well enough with my dad my [TS]

  whole job but my understanding is you [TS]

  always look at rapid I thought but it [TS]

  they really it and i think that they did [TS]

  it in a way where the mac versions of [TS]

  their apps never suffered like they the [TS]

  mac versions of Omnius never had like an [TS]

  18-month period where they were like one [TS]

  step forward two steps back to get iOS [TS]

  compatibility so it really i mean i [TS]

  would hold them up as a better example [TS]

  than apple of of how to get you know [TS]

  ipad version of mac versions that just [TS]

  work together [TS]

  yeah and they did you see that can case [TS]

  founder co-founder of of the Army Group [TS]

  CEO he had his annual you know here's [TS]

  what you know here's what 2016 was for [TS]

  us and here's what we're looking at in [TS]

  did you see that post um I'll put it in [TS]

  the show notes I I swear to god I'm [TS]

  typing it in right now [TS]

  here we go the one of the i won't go [TS]

  into details on the app I basis but one [TS]

  of the things that was fascinating about [TS]

  it is that they have hired salsaria hand [TS]

  who was formerly a long time Apple [TS]

  evangelist need for not automation [TS]

  technologies i believe was what his [TS]

  group was called which was Apple script [TS]

  and automator and you know stuff in that [TS]

  area and Sal left Apple visit to the [TS]

  early December somewhere around there [TS]

  and [TS]

  seemingly you know the details are not [TS]

  public but it's you know the gist of it [TS]

  and and sell had a piece that he wrote [TS]

  for mac stories you know it's suggesting [TS]

  that Apple seems to think that [TS]

  extensions are the future of automation [TS]

  meaning like this little sharing sheet [TS]

  things that you have now where you can [TS]

  like if you have the you know I'd like a [TS]

  but I i use a bookmarking service called [TS]

  pinboard and I have an app called pinner [TS]

  on my iPhone and when I have a URL and [TS]

  go to share it I get a little extension [TS]

  up there that says add add to pin board [TS]

  and i can just tap that anything that [TS]

  goes that that sort of thing is the [TS]

  future of automation and it's not like [TS]

  scripting or something like that which [TS]

  is it extensions are great but it's a [TS]

  totally separate thing it's like saying [TS]

  it really is like saying the future of [TS]

  citrus is Apple's you know it's like [TS]

  that's not citrus you know you know mean [TS]

  apples are great but we need oranges and [TS]

  lemons limes something you can't you [TS]

  know what you're gonna do what you gonna [TS]

  do if you make a martini you can put a [TS]

  goddamn apple peel in it you need lemon [TS]

  peel and that's a terrible analogy [TS]

  because this but anyway anyway in case i [TS]

  revealed in is your interview thing that [TS]

  the army group has been consulting with [TS]

  Sal since he left Apple like and they're [TS]

  smart it's just one of those ways where [TS]

  the only group is so smart where it's [TS]

  like Sal says well after 20 years i'm [TS]

  leaving Apple and the army group was [TS]

  like perfect let's get him [TS]

  yeah right yeah well around here right [TS]

  now be theirs yeah we had a bunch of [TS]

  other companies like oh sure we should [TS]

  we should get a lot now that mean that [TS]

  you mentioned that remember that [TS]

  remember that I'm hearing about right at [TS]

  any rate and I don't think I mean they [TS]

  don't they don't really like him yet [TS]

  right but they have a day revealed a [TS]

  demo anyway they've got engineers [TS]

  working on Harleys an engineer and [TS]

  working on a a cross-platform scripting [TS]

  system for the omni group apps [TS]

  uh it but it's now how's that gonna work [TS]

  you know there's like on the Mac there's [TS]

  the the Apple script is there it's part [TS]

  of the system [TS]

  I mean it's really the osa but it's [TS]

  apple events are part of the system and [TS]

  there's a standard way for developers to [TS]

  add scripting support to their apps and [TS]

  that the same way that you know the same [TS]

  things that you do as a developer to [TS]

  make your appt scriptable by Apple [TS]

  script or JavaScript which is in our [TS]

  first class officially supported [TS]

  language for scripting apps on mac also [TS]

  it is along the lines of doing this it's [TS]

  the same work that you have to do to get [TS]

  automator support for your app so you [TS]

  can make your appt part of an automator [TS]

  process [TS]

  you can't do it there's no apple events [TS]

  on iOS so if in and there's no real [TS]

  alternative to it so the army group is [TS]

  doing her own thing [TS]

  forget what they're calling it but it's [TS]

  based on JavaScript because part of the [TS]

  reason that you know developers is that [TS]

  it's tricky for developers to do [TS]

  something like this is that of the rules [TS]

  for the app store on iOS or that you [TS]

  can't add an interpreter to your app in [TS]

  other words you can't have an app that [TS]

  makes apps even if it runs within its [TS]

  something but what you can do is use the [TS]

  system version of java script that comes [TS]

  with WebKit and so you can use [TS]

  javascript javascript that comes with [TS]

  the system and it presumably that's what [TS]

  Apple's origami is doing because they're [TS]

  saying that they're there they're [TS]

  scripting technology is based on on [TS]

  JavaScript but the gist of it is in and [TS]

  there's an example script that they show [TS]

  an animation of that I guess Sal wrote [TS]

  we make a rectangle and then you make a [TS]

  circle out of the rectangle and color it [TS]

  green and in position at a certain point [TS]

  it's it's his scripting there they're [TS]

  drawing up on the gravel and that the [TS]

  same scripts are going to be [TS]

  cross-platform mac and iOS which is [TS]

  really we haven't had that it's great [TS]

  but it to me i read this and I think [TS]

  this is great and it makes you know it [TS]

  helps establish on the is like the [TS]

  leading indeed apple developer apple [TS]

  platform developer today but this is the [TS]

  sort of thing that should be coming from [TS]

  Apple not from a third-party developer [TS]

  it should be the same thing for it for [TS]

  all apps [TS]

  I mean that's one of the reasons [TS]

  applescript nice everyone about the [TS]

  language but one of the reason [TS]

  it's a great technology was before Apple [TS]

  script in the early days of the Mack [TS]

  there were any app that wanted to have [TS]

  like an automation and we used to call [TS]

  macros nobody uses the word macro [TS]

  anymore but it's the same idea right but [TS]

  any app that had macros or something [TS]

  like that had their own thing [TS]

  it was all at you know it that's how I [TS]

  since I got into that's like what i [TS]

  started my career in IIT was basically [TS]

  doing macros so high with the a guy came [TS]

  to work in the financial department and [TS]

  they had all these spreadsheets that [TS]

  they were doing you know all this stuff [TS]

  manually and so I started out just by [TS]

  taking taking it excel and just in doing [TS]

  like arrowing of having an arrow over [TS]

  arrow through cells instead of like [TS]

  really learning anything before I [TS]

  learned how to do any kind of [TS]

  programming it was just like down [TS]

  oneself down one cell types filter / / / [TS]

  copy but you know like that kind of [TS]

  thing just like very deliberately [TS]

  telling it exactly what i would do by [TS]

  hand and then slowly working into like [TS]

  learning [TS]

  yeah visual basic for applications like [TS]

  that's my that's my nightmare background [TS]

  but I i forget the name that there was a [TS]

  prior to about it was a competitor for [TS]

  years with bbedit i think was called [TS]

  alpha there was a programming text [TS]

  editor for the mac and it used tickle [TS]

  TCL as a scripting language which was it [TS]

  wasn't like its own invention of the [TS]

  language but what they did it was an [TS]

  open-source scripting language that i [TS]

  think is largely fallen out of favor and [TS]

  andrew recent decades but you know it's [TS]

  a sort of scripting language for anybody [TS]

  could look at it and sort of get the [TS]

  gist of oh yeah and I mean it wasn't [TS]

  like a weird language it was like I kind [TS]

  of see what's going on here [TS]

  mhm but they embedded the interpreter in [TS]

  their app and no but no other mac app is [TS]

  tickle so anything you did that you are [TS]

  scripting it was only within the text [TS]

  editor itself there was no way to to do [TS]

  something with text and then send it to [TS]

  excel or whatever Apple you know having [TS]

  it as the system level technology is [TS]

  what made that possible and and the fact [TS]

  that iOS doesn't have it and the fact [TS]

  that it doesn't you know if reading [TS]

  between the lines of what Sal as [TS]

  has said publicly since he left doesn't [TS]

  seem like it's in the plans either so I [TS]

  think that's kind of worrisome [TS]

  yeah and we'd meet again another sign [TS]

  that it would make me angry if I were an [TS]

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  watch the superbowl know i wish i hadn't [TS]

  but I now I expect the head quipped that [TS]

  I was the guy was the real winner [TS]

  because i did not watch this [TS]

  I wish I had Wow as a somebody of people [TS]

  scratch on the atlanta falcons that's [TS]

  heartbreaking [TS]

  heartbreaking [TS]

  ya know it's just it's really two teams [TS]

  that I just don't I didn't care about it [TS]

  also i'm just saying i thought i can [TS]

  watch the you know they can watch the [TS]

  commercial here [TS]

  ah i wrote a little bit well you're [TS]

  something here's a story that came out [TS]

  it they're not new but two stories came [TS]

  out in the last two days there's a fast [TS]

  company story by gonna get his name Mark [TS]

  Sullivan it came out yesterday and [TS]

  headline why apple's 10th anniversary [TS]

  iphone will likely cost more than a [TS]

  thousand dollars and the gist of it is [TS]

  that according to this guy says he has [TS]

  he has a source with knowledge of apples [TS]

  plans that's how he attributed doesn't [TS]

  say where the sources from is it from [TS]

  apple is it from the supply chain is it [TS]

  a bartender at bjs in cupertino I don't [TS]

  know but this guy has source and he says [TS]

  that what Apple is going to do next year [TS]

  is coming out with the iphone 7s and the [TS]

  iphone 7s plus which would be exactly in [TS]

  line with the past couple of years where [TS]

  they just take the new number version [TS]

  and then add an ass [TS]

  I mean it doesn't say it's going to call [TS]

  this but they're gonna look exactly like [TS]

  the seven and seven plus not like sort [TS]

  of like it like the way that the seven [TS]

  sort of looks like the iphone 6 and 6s [TS]

  but they are also going to introduce a [TS]

  new even though they're going to come [TS]

  out with a 77 s plus with new stuff [TS]

  they're also going to come out with an [TS]

  all-new industrial design with that [TS]

  that's and then we'll have an oled [TS]

  display and it's going to go edge and [TS]

  it's going to be five point eight inches [TS]

  instead of five and it's gonna cost more [TS]

  so even though they're going to [TS]

  introduce 7 s and 70 s plus they're [TS]

  going to it instead of having them debut [TS]

  at the top of the line there's going to [TS]

  be this new iphone that's going to debut [TS]

  at the top of the line at an even higher [TS]

  price starting it more than a thousand [TS]

  dollars that's not really the [TS]

  thousand-dollar thing isn't ridiculous [TS]

  because if you buy the high-end iphone 7 [TS]

  plus it is like 900 $69 so it's already [TS]

  they've already the top-of-the-line most [TS]

  expensive iphone is already roughly a [TS]

  thousand dollars so it's not [TS]

  preposterous that the starting point of [TS]

  a new high-end mission 1 would be a [TS]

  thousand dollars uh-huh [TS]

  so this is a five-point in this is the [TS]

  eighth well they're saying they don't [TS]

  know the name and he they're saying Evan [TS]

  says which would which is what we've [TS]

  maybe heard of those the pro-life I [TS]

  think iphone pro if they entered this [TS]

  was actually the more likely name in my [TS]

  opinion but we can get that because he [TS]

  also says the new 5.8 inch phone will [TS]

  probably be called the iphone 8 but this [TS]

  is Mark Sullivan writing but some [TS]

  believe Apple will call it the [TS]

  parentheses far cooler sounding and [TS]

  parentheses iphone XL that's why don't I [TS]

  phone acts I can I think that they AII [TS]

  would hope that they learned their [TS]

  lesson by calling Mac os10 maco spelling [TS]

  it with an axe [TS]

  because for years i think that the [TS]

  majority of people called pronounced did [TS]

  I a mac OSX in my yeah I would do that [TS]

  by mistake occasionally and i knew i [TS]

  knew what it was called [TS]

  what was the other entities 20 the [TS]

  itouch that the calling the calling any [TS]

  ipod touch the itouch right there's way [TS]

  more people call it the itouch than an [TS]

  ipod touch i think calling it iPhone [TS]

  capital X I mean who knows i guess if [TS]

  they do that they should actually [TS]

  pronounce it iphone X if they're [TS]

  expecting people to pronounce around 10 [TS]

  then no that's a debt that's a big [TS]

  mistake i was really when i read that i [TS]

  was thinking it's iphone acts not done [TS]

  if they did call it iphone x I had it [TS]

  but the things like where do you get [TS]

  there because he can't add an egg my [TS]

  phone again adding yes because it would [TS]

  sound like you're saying access [TS]

  yeah yeah you can't put the s in front [TS]

  of it because it would be like I phone [TS]

  sex right [TS]

  I anyway the second story is next time [TS]

  iphone I fx2 FX and I've just just go [TS]

  back to the 90 91 and call it the iphone [TS]

  to FX the iphone the iphone performing [TS]

  today came out kg is ming-chi kuo the [TS]

  analyst who as the best sources in the [TS]

  soup tonight if he reports from china i [TS]

  think or at least from Asia and clearly [TS]

  his sources have always been in the [TS]

  supply chain this supply chain that [TS]

  fills his stuff he's been saying this [TS]

  for a while this isn't new but he's you [TS]

  know this idea that they're going to do [TS]

  new ones of the exact same form factor [TS]

  is the iphone 7 7 plus and this new [TS]

  thing with 5.8 inch diagonal oled [TS]

  display that might curve at the edges [TS]

  and it is more of a chin list for [TS]

  headless edge-to-edge top to bottom [TS]

  design with a touch home button that's [TS]

  actually embedded in the screen and his [TS]

  virtual not really a button etc these [TS]

  are new rumors but he reiterated this is [TS]

  pretty much I don't think anything then [TS]

  this report contradicts anything and [TS]

  Mark Sullivan report so i don't know if [TS]

  they have the same sources or similar [TS]

  ones but there's nothing really [TS]

  conflicting so it is that there's a [TS]

  little bit of a where there's smoke [TS]

  there's fire aspect to this I think so [TS]

  Sullivan source make it maybe I'd the I [TS]

  i think that's a very high possibility I [TS]

  I thank you i would actually bet on that [TS]

  button below has a pretty good track [TS]

  record [TS]

  yeah and I really you know nothing right [TS]

  although I although i think i don't know [TS]

  maybe it's possible but usually these I [TS]

  mean the one of the reasons why they do [TS]

  these reports is to advertise for the [TS]

  price firm so it seems unlikely that he [TS]

  would speak off the record like that [TS]

  well but it's telling know that it came [TS]

  out with a report the next day I don't [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah you know what here's a pet peeve [TS]

  I've said this before publicly I hate [TS]

  this this is this if one of the ways [TS]

  that i wish if I had a magic wand and I [TS]

  would waive it would be that I hate when [TS]

  these sites when they report on rumors [TS]

  of upcoming [TS]

  phones and evidently this is a report [TS]

  here is from 9to5 mac to say you know [TS]

  this is about the KGI report they always [TS]

  illustrate the story with a user [TS]

  submitted mock-up of what that future an [TS]

  iphone might look like which isn't based [TS]

  on it's not like that source of the only [TS]

  way it makes sense to conclude an [TS]

  illustration is if you have a source who [TS]

  says they've seen it and then you make [TS]

  one that looks like what the source is [TS]

  saying looks like where is it always in [TS]

  stratum with these things that people [TS]

  just make out of their imagination like [TS]

  it's not it it it bothers me profusely [TS]

  because i know is a critical reader of [TS]

  the news I know what this illustration [TS]

  is I know to just ignore it but i can't [TS]

  help but i know that most people if they [TS]

  granted this are thinking this is an [TS]

  illness [TS]

  this is an illustration of the thing [TS]

  that they're talking about that's what [TS]

  it's gonna look like yeah like imagine [TS]

  if yeah I've had conversations with [TS]

  people you don't casual people like [TS]

  people you meet someplace and you know [TS]

  like oh I saw a picture of the other day [TS]

  i was like i can imagine if you had a [TS]

  new story that said it I a killer on the [TS]

  loose you know serial killers on the [TS]

  loose in in town and you include an [TS]

  illustration of a man but the [TS]

  illustration of the man in the story is [TS]

  nothing to do with the killer on the [TS]

  loose you didn't need all right let's [TS]

  examine its it's somebody's ideal for [TS]

  running just a bald guy with a big bushy [TS]

  beard just got he's got machetes our [TS]

  hands [TS]

  you know what I mean it's like whenever [TS]

  they used to talk about the Unabomber [TS]

  back before they caught him and they'd [TS]

  always have this story where there was [TS]

  you know they'd always have this [TS]

  illustration of a guy with the they have [TS]

  a hoodie on a hoodie and sunglasses [TS]

  yeah with glasses all right right but it [TS]

  was based on there was a witness one [TS]

  time subscription saw a guy that you [TS]

  know there was some kind of connection [TS]

  with law enforcement legitimately think [TS]

  they thought they had a witness who saw [TS]

  him mailing a package one time and that [TS]

  it was a police sketch from this witness [TS]

  and they would use the same drawing over [TS]

  and over again it wasn't like they just [TS]

  randomly drew a guy [TS]

  which is what these stupid illustrations [TS]

  of future is to edge iphones are anyway [TS]

  I have problems with this i I don't I I [TS]

  don't just believe that this is apple's [TS]

  plan and then there's so much there's [TS]

  enough smoke now that I can't help but [TS]

  think this might be the this might be it [TS]

  that they're going to do an iphone 7s & [TS]

  7 S Plus and instead of introducing them [TS]

  at the top of the line they're going to [TS]

  introduce a new they're not going to [TS]

  push them down the line either they'll [TS]

  keep the I think they'll keep the prices [TS]

  the same and instead will introduce a [TS]

  new here 24 never seen tier above this [TS]

  that's a very apple-like thing to do [TS]

  like whereas the rest of the industry [TS]

  races to lower and lower prices as quote [TS]

  unquote smartphones become more and more [TS]

  commodities and the average selling [TS]

  price of a smartphone in general [TS]

  continues to drop it makes it it's a [TS]

  very apple-like thing to do to say we're [TS]

  in such a position of prominence we're [TS]

  so clearly the preeminent smartphone you [TS]

  know phone maker that we're going to [TS]

  move we're going to move it up i could [TS]

  see that but I have some problems with [TS]

  this plan though because everybody also [TS]

  seems to be reporting the same things [TS]

  that that this new device that the hot [TS]

  stuff is going to be on it they're gonna [TS]

  have trouble making them in quantity [TS]

  that it's you know this is going to be [TS]

  supplied concerned the new iphones have [TS]

  always been [TS]

  yeah because that because they can't [TS]

  it's gonna get the screens and the touch [TS]

  sensors a more difficult and all of [TS]

  these reports have been very consistent [TS]

  not on how many of them come from you [TS]

  know this one source you know the cage [TS]

  is in chi kuo maybe he's the only one in [TS]

  this bullshit but they they keep saying [TS]

  over again the other thing that's [TS]

  reiterated is that they're going to it's [TS]

  going to be an oled on the front that [TS]

  goes edge-to-edge gonna have a touch [TS]

  sensor you know touch ID and home button [TS]

  that is somehow embedded in the screen [TS]

  Apple has had patents I mean again I I [TS]

  try to stay away from patterns in terms [TS]

  of the connection of well if Apple file [TS]

  a patent they must be using it now they [TS]

  file patents for anything patentable not [TS]

  just anything to use but there is a [TS]

  patent that Apple has filed somewhere [TS]

  where it's how to put a camera behind a [TS]

  display which would obviously be [TS]

  necessary if the screen goes [TS]

  edge-to-edge because you can't get rid [TS]

  of that cellphone jammer I mean that [TS]

  would be like the one thing Apple could [TS]

  do that would actually keep people from [TS]

  buying a new phone like you get rid of [TS]

  the headphone jack like all these tech [TS]

  reports i gotta get a headphone jack i [TS]

  was gonna buy this thing into everyone's [TS]

  gonna wait a year to see if this you [TS]

  know takes off now it's like [TS]

  record-breaking sales for the iphone [TS]

  without the headphone jack if they took [TS]

  away the selfie camera people wouldn't [TS]

  buy it because people actually equally [TS]

  and you could face time you could do [TS]

  something you know that apart from just [TS]

  being take a picture of yourself there's [TS]

  other stuff we know you love to selfie [TS]

  camera but this edge to edge design is [TS]

  so beautiful we just threw it away [TS]

  also there's no snow with Johnny Johnny [TS]

  Johnny physically also there's no [TS]

  speaker see where there's no earpiece [TS]

  for holding the phone interior so you [TS]

  hit I don't like the whole it so like [TS]

  there's also speculated that it's not [TS]

  gonna might not have buttons like on the [TS]

  sides either just like how do you reboot [TS]

  that phone [TS]

  it's gotta have one right there it has [TS]

  its good handling these 10 like at least [TS]

  one physical one awaited I don't know [TS]

  ah yeah she bi i'm she she should start [TS]

  writing figure was a kid it would be [TS]

  funny if they made it like like an old [TS]

  Mac where that was sort of like the [TS]

  little hole for the SIM card tray where [TS]

  you have to go pay per click the right [TS]

  there is your right right yeah look I [TS]

  worry that was like that like Hank Hank [TS]

  found that action so we're gonna have to [TS]

  classic max up in my office and and he [TS]

  hasn't played with them in a long time [TS]

  but when he was younger I you know he'd [TS]

  come up and I'd fish out my old floppy [TS]

  disks and I mean I really think the [TS]

  thing that he liked he liked you know [TS]

  like loading up some of the games and [TS]

  playing but I think one of these they [TS]

  liked the most was just like force into [TS]

  for subjecting up papi Department [TS]

  with the paperclip and the worst part [TS]

  was is force forcing the paperclip and [TS]

  was just pushing the button on the [TS]

  floppy drive mechanism because it wasn't [TS]

  like I planned on floppy drives they're [TS]

  just buying the ones from Sony that [TS]

  everybody else used all the other pc [TS]

  makers yeah they just decide just for [TS]

  the sake of elegance they get it covered [TS]

  it up [TS]

  that was brilliant though it was [TS]

  brilliant the way that it under normal [TS]

  operation you didn't reject the floppy [TS]

  disk the system did and so you'd have to [TS]

  undo only way to get it out was to drag [TS]

  it to the trash [TS]

  although I'd that metaphor dragon just [TS]

  to trash is one of those that's what I [TS]

  was a little weird because you you tell [TS]

  somebody that the first time we're doing [TS]

  dragging a floppy disk to the trash does [TS]

  and I yeah I think the right answer as [TS]

  somebody the the correct answer in terms [TS]

  of what happened is it would eject the [TS]

  disc but i think the right answer in [TS]

  terms of being able to intuit how the [TS]

  the metaphors of the cips Mac worked [TS]

  would be well it erases the disk right [TS]

  nobody changes it they fix it was funny [TS]

  they fixed it Mac os10 by having the [TS]

  trash can turn into an eject button as [TS]

  you'd drag a disk which is yeah it works [TS]

  because it looks like an ejector but [TS]

  it's it's still a little weird on my [TS]

  problem with this is that I think this [TS]

  is the phone that everybody's gonna want [TS]

  and if its cost more and is lower [TS]

  quantity and they can't sell it [TS]

  who's gonna buy the 7s and 7's plus I [TS]

  don't get it [TS]

  like who's gonna I mean I guess that [TS]

  there's a lot of people who are like [TS]

  what that new phone looks awesome but [TS]

  i'm not paying over a thousand dollars i [TS]

  only want like a 32 gigabyte iphone 7 so [TS]

  I'm gonna pay you know six hundred [TS]

  dollars or over 650 or whatever cost for [TS]

  32 gig iphone 6 or 7 as let's do it so I [TS]

  can see that but it's like I don't know [TS]

  it just seems it just seems a little [TS]

  weird to me that there that they would [TS]

  do both you know why if they're going to [TS]

  come out the new design why not just say [TS]

  this is the new design i guess because [TS]

  the price is so high I don't know [TS]

  yes it yeah I mean I guess they want to [TS]

  do what they want to make it a gnome and [TS]

  maybe they want to write but but if they [TS]

  want to do it you know sell it at a high [TS]

  price because you can't i don't know i [TS]

  would i'm not going to get that phone [TS]

  right i mean the thing that bothers me [TS]

  about this reporters there's nothing [TS]

  just no mention of right right right [TS]

  right because that is sort of that's [TS]

  what I want them to do if they have the [TS]

  technology to make edge-to-edge phones [TS]

  is I want them to get a phone with the [TS]

  screen size of the iphone 7 the 4.7 inch [TS]

  diagonal and then make the phone just [TS]

  that size of that screen which would be [TS]

  about as tall as the iphone SE and a [TS]

  little wider and I could take that I [TS]

  could take it being a little wider but [TS]

  yeah but having it be that height man [TS]

  that would be great that's the phone [TS]

  around to making they're not making it [TS]

  yeah I mean maybe that's the next you [TS]

  know maybe that's the next year i guess [TS]

  i don't know but i know i mean i don't [TS]

  mind paying more for it [TS]

  I mean why was it was very nice not [TS]

  having to pay much for the iPhone se but [TS]

  i'm used to saying you know basically [TS]

  paying 650 so I i would i would do that [TS]

  i would argue i want this I want that I [TS]

  just want the smaller phone with with [TS]

  modern i would argue right now that the [TS]

  most beloved iphone apple is selling [TS]

  today is the iphone SE that the P [TS]

  meaning the people who have the iphone [TS]

  SE know exactly why they've got it and [TS]

  they're delighted by it i know you like [TS]

  it mine comes my power load all has one [TS]

  and waited waited for it means that he [TS]

  doesn't really follow this stuff [TS]

  religiously but he just so did not want [TS]

  a bigger phone and he got the SE and he [TS]

  loves it easy this is the best thing [TS]

  it's the best thing he's ever owned [TS]

  period like gadget y-yeah yeah well [TS]

  that's intense they think like with the [TS]

  the best apple products i bought within [TS]

  at least the last year are the SE and [TS]

  their pods yet I i well i love it i mean [TS]

  i-i don't use the item by an SE i sent [TS]

  my review unit back but it and [TS]

  ultimately is because i want the camera [TS]

  but I have mixed feelings and everybody [TS]

  I know who has like the iphone 7 sort of [TS]

  has the well I have a better phone i [TS]

  kinda wish i had that super fancy new [TS]

  lens camera in 27 plus everybody has 27 [TS]

  plus is like I love this phone I'll [TS]

  big as I love the all-day battery life [TS]

  but it is kind of big you know like [TS]

  Marcos doorman was just talking about on [TS]

  ATP where he keeps you know he's like [TS]

  5149 each way and every time he kind of [TS]

  commits to one second he goes there the [TS]

  grass is greener on the other side and [TS]

  he wants to go the other way [TS]

  where's the iphone SE people know [TS]

  exactly what they want they want to [TS]

  phone with that super nice your hand [TS]

  feel pocket-sized you know that it for [TS]

  the people who know that that's what [TS]

  they want is a small phone the iPhone se [TS]

  is absolutely amazing it's the best best [TS]

  device best iphone apples ever made in [TS]

  some ways you know and ya know I would [TS]

  in terms of plan i'm not surprised one [TS]

  bit that they spent like months trying [TS]

  to get into sufficient quantity to meet [TS]

  demand that this phone with your old [TS]

  internal technologies was actually so [TS]

  popular they couldn't keep up with [TS]

  demand [TS]

  yeah so I don't know I don't [TS]

  yes so I didn't I don't know what it was [TS]

  if this is what's coming out in the fall [TS]

  i'm not i'm not sure what i would i'm [TS]

  going to do because i don't i don't want [TS]

  a bigger phone and so and i don't want [TS]

  to spend that much I'm certainly not [TS]

  going to spend a thousand dollars to get [TS]

  a gigantic phone and I don't want to I [TS]

  the other two so I'm gonna stick with my [TS]

  see that can send us on like I said like [TS]

  the phone ideal phone that I wish Apple [TS]

  would make with 4.7 inch display this [TS]

  display from the iphone 7 with no chin [TS]

  or forehead and then if they can narrow [TS]

  the sides a little bit that would be [TS]

  great and that would be a phone that [TS]

  physically would be about as tall as the [TS]

  SE and a little wider and I could take [TS]

  that everybody that the consensus if you [TS]

  just draw a 16 units take a piece of [TS]

  graph paper and make a 16 29 aspect [TS]

  ratio rectangle with a 5.8 inch diagonal [TS]

  which is the size of this just oled [TS]

  display various talking about [TS]

  that's roughly as tall as the iphone 7 [TS]

  so you're not carrying around a [TS]

  plus-sized phone in height anymore [TS]

  you've got like the smaller current [TS]

  iphone you know the mid-size iphone in [TS]

  height but it's a lot wider and it is a [TS]

  very wide phone it is it it there's you [TS]

  know just take a piece of ground you [TS]

  know here's your homework listeners you [TS]

  know take a piece of graph paper and [TS]

  drawing I don't want to phone into any [TS]

  bigger than this phone is the biggest [TS]

  phone that I could possibly be happy [TS]

  carrying [TS]

  so I don't want a phone that's the same [TS]

  height as this but wider I'm not saying [TS]

  I won't buy it but i'm going to bitch [TS]

  about it every sin every single week on [TS]

  this on this show [TS]

  here let me take a final break here and [TS]

  do our third and final sponsor of the [TS]

  week it is our good friends at Casper [TS]

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  who does but mattress engineers to so [TS]

  they just made one there's a very [TS]

  apple-like way of doing things like you [TS]

  have to decide what your macbook made [TS]

  out of guess what's made of aluminum [TS]

  you're gonna like it [TS]

  I you just pick the size that's it and [TS]

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  it comes in a little box at least little [TS]

  compared to a king-size mattress or [TS]

  queen or everyone open it up in your [TS]

  bedroom [TS]

  it sucks up all the oxygen so be careful [TS]

  as you could get hurt you could [TS]

  asphyxiate [TS]

  like open it and kinda like oh I make [TS]

  sure windows open and it fills with air [TS]

  early on that yeah early on some [TS]

  engineers a Casper and yes I you open it [TS]

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  and if you're not happy [TS]

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  returning your you know canceling your [TS]

  cable subscription where you know you [TS]

  have to like threaten them now they'll [TS]

  just say okay okay and then don't say [TS]

  when's a good time to pick it up and [TS]

  I'll schedule a guy to come and pick it [TS]

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  where it is great I've got my whole [TS]

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  you get the dog you can get one of the [TS]

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  mattress is cheap enough that they won't [TS]

  give you fifty bucks off but your dog [TS]

  will thank you [TS]

  so that's the Astros you can't get that [TS]

  you can't save the money on that uh [TS]

  anything else anything else you wanted [TS]

  to talk about a couple of things in the [TS]

  show notes you see Samsung's samsung had [TS]

  a factory catch fire because because the [TS]

  battery just why because of batteries [TS]

  they throughout throughout a bunch of [TS]

  bump back on fire [TS]

  I got a I got a note from I'm gonna say [TS]

  you but I got a note from a somebody [TS]

  else in the media is it doesn't it's [TS]

  sort of like not starting out an enemy [TS]

  in mind but someone who likes to give me [TS]

  shit and and he wrote that he he was [TS]

  like I don't have good things to say [TS]

  about you but slow clap for this one [TS]

  which was when my link to this we're [TS]

  like I wrote the headline with Samsung [TS]

  fought factory fire triggered by [TS]

  discarded batteries in my entire [TS]

  contents of the article was the rare [TS]

  case when a figurative garbage fire [TS]

  turns into a little garbage fire now [TS]

  that's what i call this show did the [TS]

  show notes this description of the talk [TS]

  show says it's the director's commentary [TS]

  for daring fireball which is sort of [TS]

  happened I sometimes look at that and [TS]

  think it's not quite right but to do a [TS]

  real director's commentary i will reveal [TS]

  my thinking behind [TS]

  this post where I knew I wanted to link [TS]

  to it I the joke came to me immediately [TS]

  but I didn't know which way to do it [TS]

  put the straight news in the headline [TS]

  and make the joke in the body or should [TS]

  i should i use the headline a figurative [TS]

  garbage fire turns into literal garbage [TS]

  friends and then have the body say [TS]

  Samsung factory fire triggered by [TS]

  discarded batteries i couldn't decide [TS]

  which way to go [TS]

  I kind of regret it that's why i started [TS]

  talking about it now or I kind of feel [TS]

  like maybe it was a little more likely [TS]

  to go viral as a retweeted tweet if [TS]

  because the the thing i was in the tweet [TS]

  is the headline yes [TS]

  yeah and it and it comes off more as a a [TS]

  an onion ask thing except that's right [TS]

  only I had that that was one of the [TS]

  jokes are rather by head to it's just [TS]

  the right and I try to avoid it because [TS]

  usually if if the joke that comes to me [TS]

  is not from the onion there's a better [TS]

  joke somewhere because you could say [TS]

  that about a lot of things but it really [TS]

  does it really does read like an onion [TS]

  article like one of the ones that [TS]

  doesn't have the article where they just [TS]

  headlines [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah uh anything else that you [TS]

  wanted to talk about this week I I know [TS]

  who did your your your site is very pull [TS]

  it is it is this i don't know what you [TS]

  don't know yard and if you do that show [TS]

  now had you know I mean I noticed that [TS]

  I've noticed you've gotten some pushback [TS]

  from some rear a little bit but since [TS]

  this is the direct i will say this that [TS]

  i have i I've actually in recent years [TS]

  really largely tuned out of obsessively [TS]

  watching the stats daring fireball it [TS]

  roughly it's not secret that secretive [TS]

  about it a couple of years ago it peaked [TS]

  out at around four million pageviews per [TS]

  month and it collapsed when when Google [TS]

  Reader went away i get it i lost my way [TS]

  around a million page views a month when [TS]

  Google Reader went away and seemingly [TS]

  there were so many people using google [TS]

  reader who went new daring fireball [TS]

  articles would [TS]

  not they would go you know like pimp you [TS]

  know open a new tab from google reader [TS]

  to read it on daring fireball this isn't [TS]

  counting people who just read the RSS [TS]

  this is people come to the site Google [TS]

  Reader had a tremendous impact on the [TS]

  page views but I don't get any impact on [TS]

  the number of people who read during [TS]

  fireball this is why I didn't have never [TS]

  sold my sponsorships based on promises [TS]

  of page views it's you know the at just [TS]

  a loose estimate of how many people read [TS]

  the site where they come once a day or [TS]

  whether they come three times a day its [TS]

  readers that matter more than pages and [TS]

  slowly but surely and lots of other [TS]

  people notice two pages are down but [TS]

  they've stabilized at like somewhere [TS]

  between two points around 2.5 million [TS]

  pageviews per month and that's super [TS]

  stable that's been like like for the [TS]

  last 18 months [TS]

  September's the only exception where [TS]

  September it goes up a little bit [TS]

  because that's when the iphone news [TS]

  comes out and i tend to be writing a [TS]

  little more and people are a little more [TS]

  interested but other than September it's [TS]

  pretty stable month to month there's [TS]

  been no drop-off since i started writing [TS]

  more about politics all the people who [TS]

  said you're gonna you know you're going [TS]

  to lose you know I come to you to get [TS]

  away from this you're going to lose [TS]

  readers diamond lost any readers or if I [TS]

  fu million you've always talked about it [TS]

  rice a little bit now and again so it's [TS]

  not it shouldn't your views shouldn't be [TS]

  a surprise to anybody i would not i [TS]

  would not I didn't do this during the [TS]

  George W Bush era I i would not have [TS]

  done it if john mccain had beaten Obama [TS]

  with one exception which I will invite a [TS]

  second and I almost certainly would not [TS]

  have done it if Mitt Romney had beaten [TS]

  obama four years ago with paul ryan the [TS]

  exception is and I did write about it [TS]

  then in 2008 was I was specifically [TS]

  opposed to sarah palin as the vice [TS]

  presidential nominee on the grounds that [TS]

  she was completely utterly literally no [TS]

  politics involved just unqualified and [TS]

  unfit for the job as vice president like [TS]

  the like the president we have exactly [TS]

  like except i would you trade Trump for [TS]

  sarah palin oh god that's a close call [TS]

  maybe i would I think maybe you know I [TS]

  would be [TS]

  it's not really i think i will because I [TS]

  think she's completely unqualified and I [TS]

  don't think she's a real reality I don't [TS]

  think she's big on facts but I don't [TS]

  think she's on the other hand I don't [TS]

  think which I think are things that you [TS]

  really need I think it's absolutely [TS]

  essential I think this idea that you [TS]

  could be unhinged from reality [TS]

  I know people say like onions from [TS]

  reality it's a cliché but I think [TS]

  that's literally what Donald Trump is I [TS]

  think he's completely unhinged from [TS]

  reality [TS]

  I he's also i think he's more vindictive [TS]

  she is completely agree with that i [TS]

  completely agree that he's more [TS]

  vindictive [TS]

  i I just she can be a little she can be [TS]

  a little vindictive but he's like he's [TS]

  turned it into an art fly it takes its a [TS]

  closer call [TS]

  I mean there's no doubt in my mind I [TS]

  mean I would take i would take my [TS]

  parents I'm hoping that that that that [TS]

  from yeah I'm hoping that there's some [TS]

  kind of plan and plan and Republican [TS]

  Party and yeah i mean he-he's my Pence's [TS]

  is reprehensible as a the buttock but a [TS]

  person and a politician and I'm but I [TS]

  think he's he's much more stable [TS]

  yeah I don't think I don't think he [TS]

  would hide there's no doubt in my mind [TS]

  that he would not start a war on a lark [TS]

  at I really i mean i-i mean somebody's [TS]

  somebody's comments he's made no he's [TS]

  very very interested in making like tiny [TS]

  nukes because he seems like he seems [TS]

  like sometime within the next four years [TS]

  he wants to drop the nuclear bomb right [TS]

  so he's made the argument of why do we [TS]

  why do we have no we're not going to use [TS]

  which is terrible [TS]

  yeah I truth is we out how we we have [TS]

  them because we invented them and it you [TS]

  know somebody else was going to amend [TS]

  them first and it was strategically [TS]

  better for us to have invented them but [TS]

  really the whole point of having them [TS]

  now is to keep anybody hopefully keep [TS]

  anybody else on the planet from using [TS]

  them which is from using right it's [TS]

  deterrence latest you know guy doesn't [TS]

  know what the START treaty as well and [TS]

  it determines the other thing is that [TS]

  the whole theory of nuclear deterrence [TS]

  is based on a chest like series of [TS]

  strategic if we do this they might do [TS]

  here's what they might do in response [TS]

  and at any step of the way there's this [TS]

  logical aspect of ok so it really makes [TS]

  the most sense for nobody to use them [TS]

  first and it's the fact that there's [TS]

  like three or four logical steps [TS]

  involved are completely prevent this man [TS]

  from from using it is really neat to me [TS]

  it is politics in terms of its [TS]

  commenting on politicians but it's not i [TS]

  I'm still trying my best to avoid any [TS]

  sort of left-right divided and the only [TS]

  aspect of it that doesn't involve Trump [TS]

  that I'm willing to write about is the [TS]

  stuff that i would consider out now [TS]

  corruption which to me shouldn't be a [TS]

  left right thing but unfortunately has [TS]

  become one like this thing yesterday [TS]

  when the link to the story about Trump's [TS]

  new FCC guy which is sort of more along [TS]

  the lines of traditional during fireball [TS]

  content talking about the FCC and and [TS]

  the stuff that they can regulate but [TS]

  that one of the things that the [TS]

  regulations that he's he's targeted to [TS]

  get rid of it is a thing to open up [TS]

  cable boxes to you know have laws in [TS]

  place to you know open up the cable box [TS]

  market [TS]

  well that's not a liberal idea you know [TS]

  that that's just anybody who's ever been [TS]

  frustrated with the shitty you don't [TS]

  have any options here is comcast gives [TS]

  you this box and you get it and that's [TS]

  it it and it sucks and you have to pay [TS]

  them a hundred dollars a month to use it [TS]

  or whatever they charge it that this is [TS]

  not a politics that's not a politics [TS]

  think there's not a single regular [TS]

  person in the entire country of 300 [TS]

  million people who would be better off [TS]

  if if if that was the law of the land [TS]

  and instead the only people who it works [TS]

  for people who brought you know who own [TS]

  cable companies right right that's just [TS]

  out corruption my mind or this other one [TS]

  that really gets me is this thing [TS]

  yesterday i like to wear this Georgia [TS]

  Republican name / do is introduce [TS]

  resolution to to to throw out a new [TS]

  package of rules for / prepaid debit [TS]

  card overdraft fees [TS]

  ok is that the effects of income people [TS]

  low-income people can't get a credit [TS]

  card they go and if they have the cash [TS]

  and get a prepaid debit card and now you [TS]

  have a debit card it's prepaid and you [TS]

  can use it in places where you need a [TS]

  credit card [TS]

  I mean this is a thing that can really [TS]

  help people get back [TS]

  on your feet because it's you know it's [TS]

  really hard to function in our society [TS]

  without a credit card or something that [TS]

  works like a credit card that you can [TS]

  swipe and get the idea that they would [TS]

  charge these completely you serious [TS]

  overdraft fees that the over nns company [TS]

  that is doing in favor of runs that the [TS]

  payday what I call payday loan places [TS]

  day loans which are notoriously bad and [TS]

  need regulation because they charge i do [TS]

  the type of in the type of interest [TS]

  rates at a Bible like tells you you know [TS]

  that this is wrong you know like right [TS]

  when it's why the mob isn't that big [TS]

  inning right is they just they all right [TS]

  business if you don't have to HRT [TS]

  regular try to make sure to worse than [TS]

  what the mob ever charge people like [TS]

  when you go to a loan shark [TS]

  really you know it but the overdraft [TS]

  fees on these debit cards are actually [TS]

  higher than the payday loan interest [TS]

  rates [TS]

  it's it it's absolutely the sort of [TS]

  thing that the government should be [TS]

  doing is not a liberal idea is not a [TS]

  democratic idea Republican idea it is [TS]

  exactly what the government the idea of [TS]

  government is meant to do is just [TS]

  created rules for society that help the [TS]

  population at large there's nobody [TS]

  nobody who gets hurt or is offended the [TS]

  political in terms of political [TS]

  sensibilities when the interest when the [TS]

  penalty fee for overdrive drawing your [TS]

  debt prepaid debit card is a reasonable [TS]

  low-level it's absolutely absurd and it [TS]

  sort of course it turns out that they [TS]

  spent 270 the company spent 270 thousand [TS]

  dollars lobbying congress including this [TS]

  shitbag from from Georgia David Perdue [TS]

  but we don't talk politics and there's [TS]

  that means i think that the north north [TS]

  dakota legislature team the there was a [TS]

  all an initiative ballot initiative that [TS]

  would enforce some you know not enforce [TS]

  just on Republicans but reinforce ethics [TS]

  rules on any elected official and they [TS]

  convened an emergency session of the [TS]

  legislature to overthrow of voter [TS]

  approved a ballot initiative for ethics [TS]

  requirements right it was literally just [TS]

  a ballot can have that democracy not [TS]

  the representative democracy it is yeah [TS]

  and and in amino it admittedly you know [TS]

  we have we have a lot of validations [TS]

  that here and a lot of them are our [TS]

  bench insane and shitty and people don't [TS]

  always know what they're doing when they [TS]

  vote for some of these things [TS]

  however I in many cases it's it's a way [TS]

  to to tell the legislature hey you know [TS]

  what screw you you're not doing what we [TS]

  want you to do I and now you're going [TS]

  too well i guess not [TS]

  you know really crave an emergency [TS]

  session we're using less convenient a [TS]

  emergency session to to undo it before [TS]

  it can take place is astounding [TS]

  especially on something where it's just [TS]

  an Ethics in Government it really isn't [TS]

  controversial you know I mean like [TS]

  you're gonna argue that breaks it never [TS]

  should have been a ballot initiative [TS]

  that it's great [TS]

  oh yeah there's one yeah that that's [TS]

  exactly the sort of thing that that's [TS]

  why I represent a representative [TS]

  government is better than direct [TS]

  democracy you know it is a west coasting [TS]

  ballot initiatives we have them here but [TS]

  they're all municipal it's all Philly [TS]

  there aren't I don't even think their [TS]

  statewide I don't think I've ever even [TS]

  seen a statewide ballot initiative I [TS]

  don't think Pennsylvania hasn't [TS]

  Philadelphia the city does well that's [TS]

  why you can't buy beer that's nice [TS]

  otherwise that would I got no return 1 [TS]

  i've ever know it's actually funny there [TS]

  actually is not popular appeal in [TS]

  Pennsylvania for this i don't know i [TS]

  know he's a regular short on time here [TS]

  but you know but the gist of it is [TS]

  Pennsylvania when when Prohibition was [TS]

  repealed before prohibition pennsylvania [TS]

  philadelphia had the highest per capita [TS]

  number of bars in in the that the [TS]

  country there was something like a bar [TS]

  for every 40 men something like that and [TS]

  Philadelphia it was a fantastically wet [TS]

  town during Prohibition none of the bars [TS]

  close they'll just claim to close just [TS]

  stayed open in the police never imported [TS]

  but Pennsylvania had a pro prohibition [TS]

  governor at the time I forget the idiots [TS]

  name but when Prohibition was repealed [TS]

  he created what is called and still is [TS]

  to this day called the Pennsylvania [TS]

  Liquor Control Board and he's publicly [TS]

  said this was because he was pro [TS]

  prohibition he was against the repeal of [TS]

  it even though it had been repealed but [TS]

  he was still pounding the you know sort [TS]

  of like a where you can still today be a [TS]

  abortion should be legal illegal [TS]

  politician even though it's been the law [TS]

  of the land for 44 years you know if [TS]

  politically it its seemingly will wasn't [TS]

  political death to be pro prohibition he [TS]

  created the Pennsylvania Liquor Control [TS]

  Board with the stated purpose stated [TS]

  purpose of making it as difficult as [TS]

  possible to get it alcohol in [TS]

  Pennsylvania as as long as he could and [TS]

  that was where that's where all all [TS]

  liquor comes from and we've got these [TS]

  crazy laws where they're starting to get [TS]

  soften up a little bit like supermarkets [TS]

  are starting to get special licenses [TS]

  where they can sell beer but you can't [TS]

  buy beer in a supermarket you can only [TS]

  buy cases of beer from a quote-unquote [TS]

  beer distributor and a beer distributor [TS]

  can't sell beer in anything less than a [TS]

  case so you can go and buy a six-pack [TS]

  but at this place where you buy a [TS]

  six-pack you can't buy more than 12 [TS]

  years at once it has to be in two [TS]

  separate six-packs if you go to buy a [TS]

  case of beer you can do that you can buy [TS]

  wine and spirits in the state-controlled [TS]

  liquor stores and only through the [TS]

  state-controlled liquor stores anyway we [TS]

  had a Republican governor a couple years [TS]

  ago named Corbett who wanted to abolish [TS]

  the Pennsylvania Liquor Control Board [TS]

  and just make Pennsylvania normal state [TS]

  where you could you know like the places [TS]

  where you buy beer and wine are just [TS]

  independent businesses and it didn't [TS]

  have a popular support because the way [TS]

  that the opposition the way they [TS]

  defeated it was the liquor current [TS]

  liquors store employees are all it's a [TS]

  union job and the Union Union ran ads [TS]

  saying you know we have and I think [TS]

  there's I don't know 6,000 people [TS]

  employed by the liquor stores see this [TS]

  guy is going to cost us 6,000 jobs now [TS]

  this is in a state with i don't know i [TS]

  forget it with a population of [TS]

  Pennsylvania's but it's like 20 million [TS]

  or something I don't know but 15 years [TS]

  right it's not in ten million 10 20 [TS]

  million people 6,000 jobs are going to [TS]

  be lost without you know addressing the [TS]

  fact that every single person who gets [TS]

  hired by by the new liquor stores that [TS]

  would open up would have a job that [TS]

  didn't exist and that [TS]

  just get it but but just he's gonna do [TS]

  you know getting away with this getting [TS]

  away with the state stores would [TS]

  eliminate 6,000 jobs was enough to kill [TS]

  it politically which is crazy absolutely [TS]

  crazy [TS]

  so we are here we we now get beer wine [TS]

  and liquor and relate the grocery store [TS]

  I wish I can't buy any wisdom so if you [TS]

  want to i always say my analogies if you [TS]

  want to buy if you want to buy like your [TS]

  ingredients to cook dinner uh a bottle [TS]

  of wine and a six-pack of beer and [TS]

  Pennsylvania there's no possible way [TS]

  that you're not going to three stores [TS]

  you have to go to three separate stores [TS]

  creating alright I thanks to you John [TS]

  molt's people can enjoy you as at molt's [TS]

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