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Cortex 46: External Thinking Tool

 

  previously on cortex what I did and when [TS]

  I was kind of alluding to is this thing [TS]

  where i have spent a very significant [TS]

  part of January breaking down the [TS]

  entirety of how do i work what are my [TS]

  systems around work how do i use task [TS]

  management how do i organized notes [TS]

  breaking down absolutely everything to [TS]

  nothing and starting over [TS]

  you've got the voice for that that was [TS]

  really good [TS]

  should look into that I swear to God I [TS]

  would do voiceover work if I could do i [TS]

  really would seem that seems great shall [TS]

  I try as well yeah you go ahead [TS]

  previously on cortex I should maybe try [TS]

  it with the American accent I think it [TS]

  works back with the American accent [TS]

  right can you do with an American accent [TS]

  so shall i say let's see what happens [TS]

  previously on cortex know those terrible [TS]

  American successful previously on cortex [TS]

  this is getting worse [TS]

  you need to abort Mike I just end up [TS]

  just moving further and further south [TS]

  down my American accent attempt yeah [TS]

  your first go was the best and the [TS]

  Alaska was the worst alright well at [TS]

  least we know the two of us who do the [TS]

  voice of work when it's time for the [TS]

  movie so yeah last time you spoke a [TS]

  little bit about the fact that you had [TS]

  decided to go bare bones with your task [TS]

  management break everything down go to a [TS]

  new unmentioned location somewhere in [TS]

  england i suppose and all my other node [TS]

  maybe went to the continent who knows i [TS]

  was in an undisclosed location in [TS]

  finnish scandia that my wife sent me too [TS]

  because you because you were she knows [TS]

  me she knows me very well [TS]

  hey yeah it was like hey buddy it's time [TS]

  to start making some money again need to [TS]

  get out of the house and you need to [TS]

  reboot [TS]

  so you you were flown off to a faraway [TS]

  land and you you broke everything down [TS]

  and you start it over for your review at [TS]

  the year and you did it on pen and paper [TS]

  which is which is very different to that [TS]

  to the usual great way right of ipads [TS]

  and and and the like you know that we [TS]

  believe in you decided to break it all [TS]

  down and I wanted to kind of touch on [TS]

  this a little bit when did you first [TS]

  realize that pen and paper was a good [TS]

  system to kind of do a a retooling of [TS]

  your task management [TS]

  okay Mike we need to we need to rewind [TS]

  all the way back to a childhood gray [TS]

  home little gray from a long time ago my [TS]

  father is a lawyer and he's always had [TS]

  around the house [TS]

  these legal pads ever since I was a [TS]

  little kid and they have always been a [TS]

  thing that i would like sketch on and [TS]

  and right on and always felt like it [TS]

  like an external thinking tool like how [TS]

  do i think i need to write something [TS]

  down ever since I was a little kid this [TS]

  is always a thing that I have done and [TS]

  throughout my life as I have [TS]

  transitioned from various tools and [TS]

  different ways of working i have always [TS]

  been aware that there is something that [TS]

  is just different about paper that is [TS]

  really helpful in some scenarios and [TS]

  when I was a teacher i ran my whole [TS]

  system entirely on paper because i found [TS]

  that that was actually the best tool to [TS]

  solve the problem that i was trying to [TS]

  solve at that time [TS]

  and if for some reason I went back to [TS]

  being a teacher I would almost certainly [TS]

  do the same thing again that I would run [TS]

  that system on paper because there are [TS]

  cases where paper is just better like [TS]

  having a clipboard with a bunch of [TS]

  sheets arranged in a particular way [TS]

  sometimes you're never going to beat [TS]

  that like not even with an ipad but but [TS]

  more importantly that there's two things [TS]

  that I did at the beginning of the years [TS]

  is breaking down the organization system [TS]

  and doing the review these are slightly [TS]

  different tasks so in doing a big review [TS]

  when I say here that i am using paper [TS]

  that is paper in quotation marks because [TS]

  i was actually using good notes on my [TS]

  ipad with paper templates so i actually [TS]

  worked with Frank a designer that you [TS]

  have worked with for relaying who is [TS]

  fantastic and i knew i was going to be [TS]

  doing just a ton of this like thinking [TS]

  work for my seasonal review and so I [TS]

  message Frank and I asked him to create [TS]

  for me a whole bunch of templates that [TS]

  were legal pad papers so I had him [TS]

  essentially recreate from my childhood [TS]

  all over the possible paper templates a [TS]

  man could want and was like listen buddy [TS]

  i'm going to be doing a bunch of writing [TS]

  and a bunch of thinking I'm gonna need [TS]

  some graph papers i'm going to need some [TS]

  yellow legal paper i'm gonna need wide [TS]

  line i'm going to need narrow line i'm [TS]

  going to need them in blue and green and [TS]

  pink and he ended up creating for me [TS]

  just a fantastic set of these papers [TS]

  even added in a very extremely subtle [TS]

  soft paper texture which was really nice [TS]

  he's a professional inna it is he's very [TS]

  professional these things were just [TS]

  great and this is a case where for [TS]

  thinking about stuff paper i find this [TS]

  useful tool that's hard to in some sense [TS]

  it's hard to say what's going on but it [TS]

  allow it allows me to kind of like right [TS]

  out and sketch out some ideas [TS]

  you have this this free form this too is [TS]

  like you're not constrained into a [TS]

  particular application and so when I was [TS]

  doing a bunch of reviews and thinking [TS]

  about my workflow it was really much of [TS]

  a process of like I'm just gonna sit [TS]

  here in this undisclosed location in [TS]

  Scandia and i'm going to have this [TS]

  digital paper in front of me [TS]

  alright so okay you lost me just a touch [TS]

  here huh [TS]

  there was never actual paper know we'll [TS]

  get to the real paper Mike don't worry [TS]

  there's a paper we're going to get to [TS]

  that end it right good but i just wanna [TS]

  I want to specify like there's two [TS]

  different things here [TS]

  ok so I'm sitting down with the digital [TS]

  paper and just kind of writing out and [TS]

  going through the seasonal review as [TS]

  soon as one of you has like a bunch of [TS]

  questions that I sort of asked myself [TS]

  and things I'm thinking about but I do [TS]

  really like having the digital paper for [TS]

  this stuff because i do like to keep a [TS]

  record of the previous reviews that I [TS]

  have done and so I want to be able to [TS]

  kind of sometimes go back and see like [TS]

  whatever I looked at in the past like [TS]

  what has been on my mind so I do like to [TS]

  have a record of this stuff and there's [TS]

  an enormous amount of like sketching and [TS]

  other things that I'm doing that help [TS]

  with thinking through things so [TS]

  something else that I did was like I I [TS]

  by hand recreated a little overview [TS]

  calendar for the entire year and i was [TS]

  using that to roughly plan out like when [TS]

  are things going to happen in the year [TS]

  what are their periods of the year where [TS]

  I'm going to be busy what are the [TS]

  periods where I'm not going to be busy [TS]

  and this is a case where like doing it [TS]

  by hand [TS]

  even though in in some ways like well [TS]

  that's ridiculous you could download a [TS]

  PDF that would have an overview calendar [TS]

  for the year and just feeling like yes [TS]

  that's true but there's something about [TS]

  doing it this way that is intentional [TS]

  that it it it slows you down and it [TS]

  focuses your mind very clearly on the [TS]

  task at hand so I i find this just a [TS]

  ridiculously useful and very valuable [TS]

  process to kind of like rethink [TS]

  absolutely everything about what i am [TS]

  doing and in the process of doing this I [TS]

  realized that I wanted to rework my [TS]

  entire organization system which brings [TS]

  us to the actual physical paper Mike are [TS]

  you happy we get to the real paper at [TS]

  this point I am very happy but there's [TS]

  something I want to go back to ok [TS]

  tumbling across I want to redo my entire [TS]

  organizational system is quite a [TS]

  revelation to have I just I feel like I [TS]

  just have to point to that like how do [TS]

  you get there [TS]

  well like that's not your [TS]

  run-of-the-mill everyday kind of thought [TS]

  which is like I want to redo everything [TS]

  especially as someone you really pay a [TS]

  lot of attention to this this is [TS]

  something you've filled around with for [TS]

  an amount of time and come to a place [TS]

  where you'd stuck to write so you know [TS]

  over the show we spoke about you move [TS]

  into to do moving away from the focus [TS]

  back to only focus because it gave you [TS]

  what you needed with the right [TS]

  trade-offs and and that was where you'd [TS]

  stayed and it really sounded like it [TS]

  I'm there I'm in it GTD forever [TS]

  I think they're there is an undercurrent [TS]

  of GTD not working that great for me in [TS]

  the show when I do talk about it [TS]

  sometimes [TS]

  yep like this this to me fits into this [TS]

  question of though I didn't have the [TS]

  word for it at the time the year of [TS]

  redirection mm and so what's occurring [TS]

  here is as i was doing this big review [TS]

  as i was spending a bunch of time [TS]

  concertedly focusing on on how do i work [TS]

  i was just thinking of a lot of the ways [TS]

  that in the previous year i had had [TS]

  frustrations or difficulties or like a [TS]

  lack of smoothness in a bunch of the [TS]

  ways that i work and the thing that I [TS]

  was thinking about I decided okay I'm [TS]

  going to start over and build up it is [TS]

  like I'm still in this process now I [TS]

  don't have a definitive answer for like [TS]

  what have I built up to i'm still very [TS]

  much in in the middle of thinking about [TS]

  all of this and working on this but it [TS]

  doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

  that I'm building up to something that [TS]

  is entirely new and different from [TS]

  whatever it is that I used before [TS]

  it's like we mentioned last time when we [TS]

  were discussing talking with another [TS]

  person forces you to think about your [TS]

  reasons for why are you doing a thing [TS]

  and starting over with [TS]

  like how am I going to arrange my work [TS]

  this this is a way of like oh I've built [TS]

  up this castle but let me let me take it [TS]

  apart and let me examine all of the [TS]

  individual bricks and then say like is [TS]

  this is this brick should this brick be [TS]

  here [TS]

  should this thing be replaced as we're [TS]

  building up to some kind of structure [TS]

  that we're going to live in [TS]

  let's re-examine the decisions that we [TS]

  made because maybe some of these things [TS]

  and i know for a fact some of these [TS]

  things are built on foundations that are [TS]

  years old at this point it's like do [TS]

  these assumptions still hold true is [TS]

  this still the best way to work for me [TS]

  now [TS]

  maybe maybe not so that so that's what [TS]

  this like rebuilding the system is it's [TS]

  a it's a way to force re-evaluation of [TS]

  all of the parts [TS]

  yeah it's not something that I want to [TS]

  do very often [TS]

  hi it's been a long long time since I've [TS]

  done something this extreme so yeah it's [TS]

  it's just that that's what's occurring [TS]

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  about the paper okay of course in right [TS]

  now he's obsessed with the paper Mike [TS]

  you're obsessed with the paper i'm not [TS]

  even gonna ask you what pen and paper [TS]

  using like physical stuff so I know it's [TS]

  only going to upset me i couldn't even [TS]

  tell you what i was using this is why I [TS]

  didn't want to ask because I think you [TS]

  need to say that will you tell me [TS]

  something that would just make me sad [TS]

  like Oh what was in the hotel like I [TS]

  don't worry about that is the and we [TS]

  went on a quest i gave you pens you know [TS]

  yeah but it's like dude was in some [TS]

  other location you know as user was [TS]

  working with the tools that were [TS]

  available to me at the time it was fine [TS]

  you just pick up the ipad that was there [TS]

  as well right [TS]

  whatever ipad they had laying around [TS]

  now however I brought my ipad pro with [TS]

  me and then was working on those [TS]

  beautiful templates that Frank me but [TS]

  now for the actual physical paper i used [TS]

  i used what was available to me like I [TS]

  couldn't even tell you what it was [TS]

  besides it was a pen and they were index [TS]

  cards and pieces of paper [TS]

  ok I'm sorry I'm sorry okay its okay its [TS]

  okay i don't wanna talk about it okay [TS]

  that's fine let's just move on from that [TS]

  I want to go brother [TS]

  so what what point this actual paper [TS]

  have to come into this you've clearly [TS]

  gotten to a point where like I know what [TS]

  to do i'll get this digital paper that [TS]

  will be better but then you still ended [TS]

  up coming back to physical pen and paper [TS]

  again [TS]

  ok so again that the digital paper is [TS]

  about the overall review and the Fate [TS]

  one thing that falls out of this is [TS]

  rework the organization system as as [TS]

  part of this process like this many [TS]

  other things that fall out of the [TS]

  overall review but this is just one of [TS]

  those things now why am I using actual [TS]

  physical paper to try to rework the [TS]

  system it's because just like just like [TS]

  the digital paper kind of frees you from [TS]

  a bunch of the constraints that you can [TS]

  sort of do whatever you want with it [TS]

  when i'm working with physical paper [TS]

  it's a similar thing of like I'm trying [TS]

  to write down what like what are the [TS]

  things that are on my mind like what are [TS]

  the things that I'm trying to work [TS]

  towards and what I ended up doing is [TS]

  again having a bunch of index cards and [TS]

  pieces of paper and just sort of like [TS]

  what I'm trying to do is put the work in [TS]

  front of me so that i can see it all [TS]

  right that I can like look at everything [TS]

  all at once and think about how do I [TS]

  want to arrange this kind of thing and [TS]

  though I am a man with many ipads there [TS]

  are not enough iPads in the world and [TS]

  it's not convenient enough to be able to [TS]

  have like a table where there's seven [TS]

  iPads in front of me where i've written [TS]

  a bunch of things like with actual paper [TS]

  you can really spread out and then try [TS]

  to move things around like organize [TS]

  stuff and so does this go over here it [TS]

  so it's a way of thinking visually and [TS]

  and thinking physical [TS]

  like rearranging items and and and [TS]

  moving things so this is a huge [TS]

  advantage of using actual physical paper [TS]

  for for this kind of thing I also think [TS]

  it's a big advantage that if you don't [TS]

  know what it is that you want to do you [TS]

  can't answer the question what tool is [TS]

  best for accomplishing this task and so [TS]

  many of the times when we have discussed [TS]

  in the past task managers or similar [TS]

  tools it becomes very much a question of [TS]

  like what are the features of this task [TS]

  manager [TS]

  what can it do versus what other task [TS]

  managers can do you know the joy of [TS]

  switching from one task manager to [TS]

  another is really a process of learning [TS]

  how the programmers of the task manager [TS]

  want you to arrange all of your things [TS]

  yep and like anytime you use any task [TS]

  manager doesn't matter what it is [TS]

  doesn't matter how fantastic it is there [TS]

  is some process of you need to mold your [TS]

  mind to the way the programmer thinks it [TS]

  is sensible to organize information is [TS]

  this is fundamentally unavoidable and [TS]

  that is also i always say that there is [TS]

  an infinite market for task managers [TS]

  because everybody thinks in a slightly [TS]

  different way and everybody wants a [TS]

  slightly different set of features and [TS]

  the market can always accept another [TS]

  task manager for whom sums portion of [TS]

  the audience will say oh that is perfect [TS]

  for me it does this one thing in this [TS]

  way that is just right for my brain so [TS]

  putting all of the work on paper is it [TS]

  is a way to avoid that it's a way to try [TS]

  to think about how to organize stuff [TS]

  without feeling constrained by things [TS]

  like who does this task manager support [TS]

  start dates [TS]

  how does this thing handle recurring [TS]

  items it's like that that's down in the [TS]

  weeds that's down in the details and i'm [TS]

  trying to think about it from a much [TS]

  higher level of like what is the thing [TS]

  that I'm working on what am I trying to [TS]

  achieve here so i'll just say at this [TS]

  point that i am into doest now which is [TS]

  something i've been talking about for [TS]

  far too long [TS]

  mmm the process of moving the tasks was [TS]

  horrific [TS]

  I i can only imagine because it has to [TS]

  be done manually of course and there are [TS]

  things that I like about it and there [TS]

  are things that I don't like about it [TS]

  who one of my biggest things i don't [TS]

  like is exactly that around something [TS]

  like recurring tasks who has the [TS]

  functionality for them but doesn't [TS]

  really have the UI for it [TS]

  who you have to write it in in the [TS]

  language of the understands that I've [TS]

  seen that there are nuances to that [TS]

  language and everyone that I speak to [TS]

  that users to do this like once you [TS]

  learn the language you're good which I [TS]

  totally appreciate and it is that [TS]

  language that i think will be the [TS]

  ultimate reason I stick with two doest [TS]

  because the idea of natural language [TS]

  processing off not necessary natural [TS]

  language but being able to speak to the [TS]

  application is valuable for me it's why [TS]

  i don't imagine ever moving away from [TS]

  fantastic hell because I know how to [TS]

  type into fantastical the appointment [TS]

  right right and i love that and to do is [TS]

  has that feature i'm still getting my [TS]

  head around it but it is I think what [TS]

  will keep me there because i am able to [TS]

  talk to doest and say to it i want to [TS]

  set this task at this date and I'm now [TS]

  using projects which have never used [TS]

  before because it's really easy to add [TS]

  those because you just type them in blue [TS]

  so in a way to try and see if [TS]

  categorizing this and honestly I think [TS]

  the time tracking has helped me think [TS]

  about projects in my to do [TS]

  hmm and I'm trying to match those up and [TS]

  seeing what that looks like a giving [TS]

  things the same kind of names who I [TS]

  don't know what that's going to result [TS]

  in yet but I feel like that there could [TS]

  be something there that helps me kind of [TS]

  compartmentalize my work a little better [TS]

  i'm still playing around with the [TS]

  automation I've signed up for a peer [TS]

  them what I want to come back to that at [TS]

  some point in the future [TS]

  yeah that's a big thing that's a whole [TS]

  thing but as a peer is a service like if [TS]

  this then that which allows you to [TS]

  connect web services together as a peer [TS]

  is very powerful and a lot more powerful [TS]

  than its system that more complicated [TS]

  but more powerful and can do some [TS]

  interesting things so I'm plotting still [TS]

  playing around all of that and trying to [TS]

  work out how to do is scan and and [TS]

  moving to google calendar and all of [TS]

  that stuff that stuff is all still a [TS]

  play on a general day today so I i have [TS]

  been running on the focus and to do it [TS]

  in parallel to make sure that they're [TS]

  working the way that I expect a huge [TS]

  thing to do that is a fun phase in any [TS]

  transition like this is all the kind of [TS]

  stuff I'm trying to avoid with paper [TS]

  it's like Jesus Christ I don't want to [TS]

  think about this but that it that is a [TS]

  horrible phase where you're running to [TS]

  task managers because you want to make [TS]

  sure that the one isn't missing things [TS]

  that is still in the other one because [TS]

  here's the thing i have an incredible [TS]

  level of crosstown OmniFocus student to [TS]

  do this has to win my trust [TS]

  oh yeah of course right and and just in [TS]

  you know like even in the adding of [TS]

  tasks can be like has it really set that [TS]

  to bring do it is like I've asked it to [TS]

  do this every second Tuesday doesn't [TS]

  understand what that is and like when [TS]

  adding the tasks i was checking them off [TS]

  and see and what day it will come up [TS]

  next and blue so i'm i'm still in that [TS]

  process and it's a disgusting process to [TS]

  be in but it's kind of just the way that [TS]

  these things have to go because [TS]

  unfortunately there is no share i really [TS]

  wish that a protocol like email existed [TS]

  for tasks [TS]

  yeah keep dreaming buddy it's never [TS]

  going to happen now because we're too [TS]

  far down the rabbit hole but why would [TS]

  such a thing exists it's too late now [TS]

  yeah but I really wish that something [TS]

  like that did exist so we could move to [TS]

  do applications as easily as we could [TS]

  move email apps as ever anyone's isn't [TS]

  that a shuffle long enough will know [TS]

  that we love to do so i am i'm very [TS]

  interested in in continuing this [TS]

  powerful todoist and I think that once i [TS]

  am used to it it really will be the the [TS]

  natural language engine that keeps me [TS]

  they're more than anything else that [TS]

  that has already [TS]

  by far away been the most interesting [TS]

  part of it so far [TS]

  even more interesting than the [TS]

  automation which was the thing in my [TS]

  brain is the reason who it was and it [TS]

  was the kicker and I think as time goes [TS]

  on and integrate the automation that [TS]

  will become a second pillar of Y to do [TS]

  is just his superior for me i hope but [TS]

  the me just being able to type in and [TS]

  also with using the Amazon echo dictate [TS]

  tasks this natural language engine i [TS]

  think will become the reason that I [TS]

  stick with it but it's it's I'm still [TS]

  very much in the I wouldn't even call it [TS]

  honeymoon phase basically me and to do [TS]

  is to moved in together uh-huh and [TS]

  currently we're finding the things that [TS]

  annoy each other about each other that [TS]

  we are in that phase right now and we're [TS]

  currently just trying to find some [TS]

  common ground on some things [TS]

  Oh Mike I understand I understand your [TS]

  pain here i really really do [TS]

  yeah it's like everything I'm doing is [TS]

  trying to avoid this for as long as [TS]

  possible before I'd like a witch tools [TS]

  and switching for thing because it is [TS]

  such an enormous hassle it is it is [TS]

  always a rejiggering your brain to [TS]

  thinking the way the other thing works [TS]

  it is a process of regaining trust in [TS]

  another it's yep it is no fun it is no [TS]

  fun to do is the thing you want to do is [TS]

  as rarely as possible [TS]

  you're living in fear for a while yes [TS]

  yeah there's an excellent way to put it [TS]

  looks like what-what terribly important [TS]

  thing is not going to happen because I [TS]

  switch from only focus todoist what is [TS]

  it you know is it that I just forget to [TS]

  show up for something or do I forget to [TS]

  send in my tax return [TS]

  yeah like what is it that it's going to [TS]

  make me do it or I i have i know i have [TS]

  things in my various to do applications [TS]

  that are sometimes years out right like [TS]

  a remind me in two years kind of thing [TS]

  is like it's really hard to make sure [TS]

  that you have all of those bases covered [TS]

  luckily my total amount of [TS]

  of items is about 50 items them you know [TS]

  as we spoken before I try and run my to [TS]

  do managers lean as possible so that is [TS]

  good i can only imagine for you it is [TS]

  more than that I don't know by what [TS]

  factor by i imagine it is more and and i [TS]

  know that many people listening will run [TS]

  their to-do apps very differently to the [TS]

  way that I do right and more will have [TS]

  more and I could have more but I try my [TS]

  best to not do that and there are other [TS]

  little things i still need to get used [TS]

  to like I haven't changed over some of [TS]

  the templates that I made by know i can [TS]

  do that but that's more work that needs [TS]

  to be done and you know another thing [TS]

  about all of this is I just really hope [TS]

  that to do it sticks because otherwise I [TS]

  need to do this all over again going [TS]

  back [TS]

  yeah thatthat's the dread is is doing it [TS]

  in reverse again if it doesn't work [TS]

  because i have done this with to do this [TS]

  before [TS]

  mhm but my reason at that time was to do [TS]

  is notifications of alarms like of [TS]

  notifying you of a task was really bad [TS]

  their implementation of it but they fix [TS]

  that now so that and I didn't know that [TS]

  until it was too late [TS]

  right but i have enough people that I [TS]

  trust that I know are incredibly [TS]

  productive people that used to do is now [TS]

  that I'm willing to to to go back to it [TS]

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  cortex and relief em so and this brings [TS]

  us to the types of to do applications [TS]

  that are available and you touched on [TS]

  this a little bit about the fact that [TS]

  there are kind of like a couple of [TS]

  different strains that you can go here [TS]

  you can go basically you can go advanced [TS]

  so I thought of a couple of examples to [TS]

  set the stage gray go so I was thinking [TS]

  about like all yes maybe some of the [TS]

  ones that we spoken about overtime and [TS]

  and kind of what these applications are [TS]

  and then some of the the features that [TS]

  go into them though you have basic [TS]

  applications basic applications like [TS]

  reminders clear google tasks or Google [TS]

  keep lose these are basically more along [TS]

  lines of keeping a list and maybe not [TS]

  always maybe setting a Jew date to those [TS]

  items many people don't set due dates [TS]

  times they just have lists which is a [TS]

  perfectly valid way of doing things and [TS]

  it's just about kind of the way that you [TS]

  work in the way that you need things and [TS]

  then you have advanced applications [TS]

  applications like OmniFocus and to do [TS]

  and to do is to neighboring with them [TS]

  things like automation functions with [TS]

  them to make reviews of your work [TS]

  forecasts like where you can see [TS]

  multiple days but once who and there may [TS]

  be something like deferring tasks as [TS]

  well and you can kind of live anywhere [TS]

  on this spectrum like I maybe run my [TS]

  to-do application more in the basic camp [TS]

  but choose to use an advanced all loop [TS]

  because i like to have if i want it [TS]

  things like automation and AP is so to [TS]

  our applications can talk to my to-do [TS]

  app which is to you know what pushed me [TS]

  down this road and forecasts which I [TS]

  really liked so I can see multiple days [TS]

  at once and can kind of plan out what's [TS]

  coming over the next seven days but I [TS]

  don't do a lot of the stuff that you [TS]

  might do when it looks like maybe [TS]

  running for more GTD system you know [TS]

  there's so many of those things that I [TS]

  don't do like deferring and things like [TS]

  that would you need advanced application [TS]

  for so I I feel like I maybe have a more [TS]

  basic system but want to use an advanced [TS]

  application so i can pick and choose [TS]

  from the things that I want to use but [TS]

  something like reminders is too simple [TS]

  for me to just have this one long list [TS]

  that i always have to look at all these [TS]

  multiple lists III just don't find [TS]

  reminders and all clear or something it [TS]

  to be a robust enough application for me [TS]

  so it is abundant you in the past need [TS]

  an advanced application for your [TS]

  advanced system do you have a feeling [TS]

  for where you might be falling now that [TS]

  you sat down and look through some of [TS]

  this [TS]

  it's an interesting question like that [TS]

  it's an interesting it's interesting [TS]

  time that you're asking me because I [TS]

  don't have a solid answer show i would [TS]

  much prefer to do the show when I feel [TS]

  like I i am coming with an answer [TS]

  here--here's the thing that i have [TS]

  discovered what I'm doing with paper and [TS]

  what I'm thinking about with my tasks in [TS]

  this way is trying to feel the outlines [TS]

  of what have i been dissatisfied with [TS]

  and what am I trying to do in the future [TS]

  and so on a on a very big level when I [TS]

  think about how I am refocusing this [TS]

  year is being aware of one of the things [TS]

  that I found kind of draining with using [TS]

  a very advanced system in OmniFocus is [TS]

  that there was not any end to this [TS]

  system ever write like that there was [TS]

  sort of no sense of completion because i [TS]

  had an enormous number of things in [TS]

  OmniFocus and I had them tracked very [TS]

  very precisely and say okay this is [TS]

  great this is a system that grew out of [TS]

  my previous systems over a long period [TS]

  of time when i'm sitting here with [TS]

  pieces of paper trying to think about [TS]

  how do i want to work this is a problem [TS]

  that i feel like i've identified [TS]

  something here which is a lack of a [TS]

  sense of completion which is also [TS]

  something that my old system that i used [TS]

  to use when I was a teacher was a a part [TS]

  of that I was really aware of a building [TS]

  into that you know when the day is done [TS]

  because this part of it is complete the [TS]

  end [TS]

  oh ok this is an interesting thing to [TS]

  realize that I've worked myself into a [TS]

  system that doesn't have that and that's [TS]

  a feature that I used to have and that I [TS]

  find very important and very helpful [TS]

  would you say that maybe there was [TS]

  something in the structure of your work [TS]

  now that that doesn't inherently have [TS]

  that end like when the kids go home [TS]

  who there's maybe a couple of tasks left [TS]

  and then that's it [TS]

  right right so this is this is exactly [TS]

  and I'm very very much of the belief [TS]

  like things happen because it like the [TS]

  structure in the world right so what [TS]

  like why did my system as a teacher have [TS]

  a clear end because there was a clearer [TS]

  way to end things as a teacher [TS]

  and like why did the system that built [TS]

  up over years as a self-employed person [TS]

  not have any kind of end because well is [TS]

  this is this is the nature of the work [TS]

  right this is this is the nature of what [TS]

  it is that I'm doing there isn't any and [TS]

  there's always more that can be done [TS]

  it's like okay well after doing this for [TS]

  a large number of years i'm realizing i [TS]

  like this so much and so in redirecting [TS]

  how my work is going to unfold over the [TS]

  next year [TS]

  part of what I'm really trying to do is [TS]

  building in regular distinct clear [TS]

  breaks and trying to really stick to [TS]

  those as much as possible like we'll see [TS]

  how it actually goes but that's the [TS]

  that's the idea and so what I was [TS]

  thinking as well whatever system i build [TS]

  up I wanted to be able to support this I [TS]

  want to have some kind of clear and/or [TS]

  sort of cycle within the system so this [TS]

  is an example like what are the things [TS]

  that I'm trying to identify around the [TS]

  edges and that's one of these things [TS]

  that I'm trying to identify around the [TS]

  edges like can I build up something that [TS]

  creates a sense of completion that can [TS]

  also work with the schedule for what I'm [TS]

  trying to do over the course of the year [TS]

  and so it's funny Mike because if you [TS]

  you have this list of of like [TS]

  applications in the show notes of the [TS]

  various to do managers and what are they [TS]

  like and you know what various features [TS]

  do they have but the thing that i have [TS]

  been playing around with a little bit [TS]

  just not even with the intention of [TS]

  using it as a primary task manager but [TS]

  just simply because like oh this is the [TS]

  digital tool that most closely [TS]

  replicates the paper let me just play [TS]

  around with it a little bit is actually [TS]

  using Trello which I don't know if [TS]

  you've ever used or tried I use Trello a [TS]

  lot so do you [TS]

  ok how would you describe Trello to the [TS]

  listener I'm not I'm not it i feel like [TS]

  i am the worst person in the world to [TS]

  describe this tool because i think im [TS]

  using it in a way that nobody intended [TS]

  to be used yellow is built from the [TS]

  process of Kanban em if you are familiar [TS]

  with that [TS]

  so if you know what that is you can [TS]

  immediately visualized trailer if you're [TS]

  not familiar with it which many of you [TS]

  would not be I wasn't until i use [TS]

  trailer for the first time imagine that [TS]

  you have a bunch of tasks and you write [TS]

  all of the tasks down on index cards who [TS]

  and you have a process that you need to [TS]

  go through to get a task to be complete [TS]

  so you line up all of your tasks and [TS]

  there at the starting line and the [TS]

  process can be written out in two [TS]

  columns so you can have part 1 part 2 [TS]

  part 3 part 4 and you move each task [TS]

  across the columns so it moves from left [TS]

  to right and then it is complete [TS]

  that is like the easiest way that I [TS]

  would describe how this type of trellis [TS]

  system would work in that you what you [TS]

  are doing is taking things and moving [TS]

  them around from place to place and as [TS]

  they're being moved you can update them [TS]

  you can add information to them but the [TS]

  idea is that you get them from the start [TS]

  line to the finish line when you do that [TS]

  by visually moving them through this [TS]

  process moving them from column to [TS]

  column and they can move backwards and [TS]

  forwards depending on how you set up the [TS]

  columns but they were always moving [TS]

  through so the way that i use Trello a [TS]

  lot is raised for the sale of a [TS]

  sponsorship so Stephen set this up and i [TS]

  told him that i feel like i didn't have [TS]

  a good visibility for how sponsors were [TS]

  sawed through our process and I wanted [TS]

  to work with him so we could understand [TS]

  it better together and he created this [TS]

  thing in Trello so every sponsor is a [TS]

  card so there are little card and you [TS]

  imagine the sponsors an index card and [TS]

  we move them through our process from [TS]

  initial contact made to if we're [TS]

  progressing to a sale and then if we [TS]

  sold so that is what i use Trello for a [TS]

  lot we also use it for when we're [TS]

  setting up big event and we also use [TS]

  Trello four goals were setting goals and [TS]

  even for our assistant so when we're [TS]

  looking at trying to hire an assistant [TS]

  we have a trouble board for that and we [TS]

  have all of the different tasks that we [TS]

  may want them [TS]

  to do and when they might do them and if [TS]

  it's the right person and all that sort [TS]

  of stuff so me and even use Trello a lot [TS]

  to plan big picture stuff for the [TS]

  business [TS]

  I didn't realize I was speaking to [TS]

  travel expert and I thought you might [TS]

  have like a passing familiarity with it [TS]

  was like oh Trello i have 20 of them [TS]

  have all the great general but so there [TS]

  you go that's what i use Trello for and [TS]

  considering the fact that you were using [TS]

  index cards [TS]

  I'm not surprised that you're using [TS]

  something like trailer yet again I [TS]

  wouldn't even say that i'm using it [TS]

  under playing around with it but yes [TS]

  it's an interesting thing to play around [TS]

  with because not entirely but it does [TS]

  largely avoid the problem of like [TS]

  learning a specific task manager because [TS]

  it just simply doesn't do most of the [TS]

  things that most task managers do and it [TS]

  is very malleable [TS]

  yeah it's very malleable and importantly [TS]

  it's very visual so I ok let me move [TS]

  these things around and so I've been [TS]

  going through this process of sometimes [TS]

  working on paper putting things in [TS]

  Trello sometimes rearranging things in [TS]

  Trello and then sometimes writing it out [TS]

  all again on paper just to think about [TS]

  like I let me let me mess around with [TS]

  this is it [TS]

  it's an iterative cycle back and forth [TS]

  thinking about how to best organize my [TS]

  work you know Trello is is really good [TS]

  to use if the work that you're doing as [TS]

  a process that is not dictated by Trello [TS]

  itself [TS]

  yeah like there is an external process [TS]

  that has to happen and Trillo can [TS]

  support that select for creating YouTube [TS]

  videos the process can just be a [TS]

  different stages in which they are and [TS]

  if you're working on multiple youtube [TS]

  videos a time you can move them through [TS]

  from process part the process part you [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah it's it's relatively free form [TS]

  compared to most other things which i [TS]

  would say is that both its strength and [TS]

  its weakness but it's it's an [TS]

  interesting thing to play around with [TS]

  I know a while back I had sort of mess [TS]

  with it a little bit just as an [TS]

  interesting to look at and and never [TS]

  really thought about it much since then [TS]

  it was recently a quiet Oh some oh I [TS]

  know [TS]

  yeah she's like how the acquired [TS]

  news/wall 11 it was acquired by a [TS]

  company that would feasibly want the [TS]

  system that it is that way but they may [TS]

  just change the business model with ya [TS]

  who knows all we know is acquired yeah [TS]

  but yes it's an interesting tool just to [TS]

  check out and it's a thing that i've [TS]

  been i've been thinking about and i [TS]

  stumbledupon it because as i was trying [TS]

  to work through my system I i did just [TS]

  keep thinking of some stuff that I have [TS]

  mentioned in the past as having looked [TS]

  at but I i spent a lot of time very [TS]

  seriously looking at which is scrum [TS]

  which is a a working process that is [TS]

  clearly designed for teams is not at all [TS]

  designed for individuals but has some [TS]

  interesting parts to it that feel like [TS]

  oh maybe this could work with the way [TS]

  that I want to work and it involves [TS]

  things like having clearly defined start [TS]

  and end times for particular batches of [TS]

  work which is a feature that I'm i'm [TS]

  looking at and the other thing I was [TS]

  really aware of when I was thinking [TS]

  about how i worked in the past and the [TS]

  one thing that having like a a list of [TS]

  tasks that are falling out of templates [TS]

  that doesn't that doesn't serve so well [TS]

  is coming up with realistic estimates [TS]

  for how much can you do at a particular [TS]

  time and and this is something else that [TS]

  like a the process of scrum attempts to [TS]

  do again with one person it doesn't work [TS]

  very well at all it's designed for teams [TS]

  but it's something that I've just been [TS]

  thinking about like out are there are [TS]

  their pieces of this that I can adapt [TS]

  for individual use for the way that I [TS]

  want to work and so like this is another [TS]

  thing I spent some time on you know i [TS]

  read a couple of books on scrum and just [TS]

  again very it's very funny to to read a [TS]

  book that's like design for a gigantic [TS]

  corporation of like how does this [TS]

  gigantic corporation or range there are [TS]

  many multiple teams across entire [TS]

  systems that like I'm just trying to [TS]

  read through it and see like is there [TS]

  something here that I can pull out for [TS]

  myself but it's through that process of [TS]

  like okay scrum is this process it uses [TS]

  tools like Trello let me just play [TS]

  around with Trello let me just explore [TS]

  this a little bit while I'm in this this [TS]

  building up phase so that's where I am [TS]

  with my current state of things i do [TS]

  have to say I feel a bit like I am a [TS]

  like I'm on a tightrope without a net [TS]

  because i'm not using any of my regular [TS]

  systems [TS]

  ok I've I really did burn everything [TS]

  down to the ground so you like actually [TS]

  using no app right now like other than [TS]

  Trello tinker around with at the moment [TS]

  I am literally using nothing except like [TS]

  some index cards and some Trello [TS]

  tinkering but it is a a very temporary [TS]

  phase like this doesn't last forever [TS]

  because this is this is partly like [TS]

  going back to the the idiots pre any [TS]

  system me like I'll just remember the [TS]

  things that I have to do which is a [TS]

  terrible strategy is horrible it's an [TS]

  absolutely horrible strategy and not [TS]

  really doing it but it's like okay I [TS]

  mostly have three big things to keep in [TS]

  mind like the next video [TS]

  the next hello Internet the next cortex [TS]

  are these are the three main things that [TS]

  i really need to keep track of and so i [TS]

  can run on that for a little while while [TS]

  I think about how does the rest of this [TS]

  system work [TS]

  ok and i think that it is it is [TS]

  genuinely beneficial to do this because [TS]

  it is just as finding the edges of like [TS]

  what what do I need what do I need to do [TS]

  I i have have a little bit of of support [TS]

  in the fact that before doing this I [TS]

  moved some basic reminder things into to [TS]

  do so that there's like maybe 20 little [TS]

  recurring items into do then just like [TS]

  I'm always gonna forget this stuff like [TS]

  this is just the bare minimum [TS]

  it might as well be reminders yeah and I [TS]

  guess between down your calendar like [TS]

  you you're getting through without the [TS]

  the pic system supporting you all [TS]

  exactly and what's also face like just [TS]

  by using to do and by using a calendar [TS]

  i'm already using more tools than like [TS]

  many people I know you [TS]

  to really work but it's like from my [TS]

  relative perspective it's like this is a [TS]

  precarious situation here so i am i'm [TS]

  just i'm just playing around with these [TS]

  things and trying to figure out what is [TS]

  it that I ultimately want to build up to [TS]

  and my current state is I'm trying to [TS]

  pull out the useful parts of systems [TS]

  like Kanban the useful parts for the [TS]

  still relevant parts i should say of [TS]

  getting things done and trying to see if [TS]

  there's a way to like adapt scrum too [TS]

  sensible individual use but I would be I [TS]

  would be very curious to hear from [TS]

  anybody in the audience if they have any [TS]

  other kind of like actual systems that [TS]

  they use or that they care to recommend [TS]

  like I'm in a very open accepting [TS]

  feedback time of my system so I'd be [TS]

  curious to see if anybody has any [TS]

  thoughts on any systems leave links in [TS]

  the comments and I will definitely check [TS]

  things out and spend a bit more time [TS]

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  hello audience hello audience and these [TS]

  are people that submit their questions [TS]

  too [TS]

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  give me some questions that they would [TS]

  like for us to discuss on the show and [TS]

  we will start off today with Phil office [TS]

  last week our sleep schedules like do [TS]

  you have a particular times that you aim [TS]

  to go to better wake up [TS]

  what are those times why those times and [TS]

  what effect of this have on your [TS]

  productivity when you're observing them [TS]

  where you live on east coast time dr. [TS]

  Mike isn't that your sleep schedule out [TS]

  of Mike time now I don't even like don't [TS]

  even anymore [TS]

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  what is what does that mean that you [TS]

  live on Mike time because it's just [TS]

  adapted on warped so much like I [TS]

  originally thought i was going to be [TS]

  living in east coast time but it hasn't [TS]

  really turned out to be that way hm i go [TS]

  to sleep between 12am and 3am oh god and [TS]

  i wake up between 8am and 10am all but [TS]

  those times not match up in the way that [TS]

  you would think that they might for and [TS]

  that's all right I see really what [TS]

  you're going for here yeah i went to bed [TS]

  at 2am i feel it i think last night that [TS]

  132 am somewhere between there and i [TS]

  woke up at eight twenty today but the [TS]

  day before I went to sleep I think at [TS]

  like 130 and i woke up at ten [TS]

  okay it's all over the place i have [TS]

  expressed to you the last time that we [TS]

  met up that I'm becoming more interested [TS]

  in sleep tracking as well and this is [TS]

  something that is on my radar to try and [TS]

  find the tool or tools that work for me [TS]

  to allow me to do this because I don't [TS]

  know what effects it has on my [TS]

  productivity honestly who because my [TS]

  thesis is that it doesn't purely because [TS]

  as it stands right now my sleep schedule [TS]

  was so erratic who [TS]

  and my productivity is not very erratic [TS]

  is it at least the way I feel about it [TS]

  because for me it's more like time like [TS]

  I don't feel like I'm like all I wasn't [TS]

  very productive today so i didn't spend [TS]

  much time working today or I spent a lot [TS]

  of time working today and as we've [TS]

  already established a lot of the amount [TS]

  of time that I spent working is not like [TS]

  how inspired was I that day because I [TS]

  worked so strictly to a schedule so [TS]

  there is a quality aspect that can't be [TS]

  judged by time so that's like a whole [TS]

  other thing which is really difficult to [TS]

  turn and nail down but there is an [TS]

  inverse that I'm interested in which is [TS]

  if I work longer hours do i wake up late [TS]

  the next day that's the only thing I'm [TS]

  interested in learning right now I [TS]

  recommend to you an app which is called [TS]

  Auto sleep which is a thing that i have [TS]

  been using to track my sleeping [TS]

  time-based just like the time tracker [TS]

  toggle from the recommendation of [TS]

  Federico teecee out of your where Mike [TS]

  that guy's pretty good for recommending [TS]

  things happy I live a lot of my life [TS]

  based upon the recommendation see gives [TS]

  me that so i have been using auto sleep [TS]

  and get the app does a lot of things [TS]

  with regard to sleep but the only the [TS]

  only thing I care about really which is [TS]

  what it does is it does a pretty good [TS]

  job of estimating just the length that i [TS]

  was asleep when did i go to bed and when [TS]

  did I wake up and I i want to track this [TS]

  because for the longest time i used to [TS]

  use an app called sleep cycle to do the [TS]

  sleep tracking but that suffered from [TS]

  the effect of I needed to turn it on [TS]

  before I went to sleep and turn it off [TS]

  when I woke up in the morning and here [TS]

  is the thing that I definitely know from [TS]

  looking at that sleep data is when I [TS]

  need the sleep data the least is what [TS]

  I'm able to record it the most so he's [TS]

  like I am a bang on my schedule [TS]

  everything's going great and waking up [TS]

  at the exact same time ever [TS]

  morning i'm having a nice productive day [TS]

  i'm going to sleep around the same time [TS]

  like yeah i've got tons of data for for [TS]

  like perfect rock-solid everyday is the [TS]

  same data and then they'll be periods [TS]

  where there's like there's no sleep data [TS]

  recorder whatsoever is like but that's [TS]

  what i want to sleep data the most [TS]

  because those are the periods of time [TS]

  where my sleep is less regular I'm like [TS]

  staying up later which is terrible for [TS]

  me and then i'm sleepy and I forget to [TS]

  turn the app on and then i'm not paying [TS]

  any attention to when I wake up in the [TS]

  morning like this inverse correlation [TS]

  like I have data about my sleep over the [TS]

  past year but all indicates to me is [TS]

  like there's some gaps which were [TS]

  probably not great times and so I really [TS]

  prefer and like having something that [TS]

  just doesn't automatically so I can keep [TS]

  an eye on this kind of stuff [TS]

  the reason that i do want to keep an eye [TS]

  on it is is simply because i am really [TS]

  aware that that the sleep cycle has a [TS]

  tremendous amount to do with how [TS]

  productive i am and like if I fall out [TS]

  of a regular sleep cycle that's the [TS]

  thing i really want to be aware of and [TS]

  really want to keep an eye on because [TS]

  that that really matters for me and so [TS]

  when I mean sometimes the process of [TS]

  rebooting and and like getting back into [TS]

  a productive phase one of the primary [TS]

  things I am focusing on is like boot [TS]

  yourself back into a regular waking [TS]

  cycle and that that has a huge effect on [TS]

  the rest of my day [TS]

  so what are those times when others [TS]

  ideal times [TS]

  ok my my ideal wake-up time is it [TS]

  sometime between five thirty and 6am is [TS]

  is my deal wake up time and yeah but the [TS]

  thing is I'm an old man getting sleepy [TS]

  at 9pm right and and like probably [TS]

  asleep by ten o'clock [TS]

  no ok feel like lying to himself about [TS]

  like I'm gonna read a book before i fall [TS]

  asleep right but actually the falling [TS]

  asleep immediately it is is the usual [TS]

  night I'm like I'm going to read it like [TS]

  no I'm not [TS]

  I'm going to lie to myself I'm going to [TS]

  read a book i'm just gonna fall asleep [TS]

  immediately which is also why i'm i'm a [TS]

  terrible dinner companion because people [TS]

  are like let's have dinner [TS]

  okay great like I made an appointment at [TS]

  eight like oh like eight o'clock at [TS]

  night at night like you gotta get over [TS]

  to the early bird special [TS]

  ya think we can do yeah exactly you know [TS]

  I like I want to meet you in the [TS]

  afternoon [TS]

  you know Mike if we ever socialize like [TS]

  when do we socialize 2 p.m. in the [TS]

  afternoon talking about that's what it's [TS]

  great as my perfect time like [TS]

  everything's going great I've done all [TS]

  my work in the morning and now you get [TS]

  me for the afternoon time when i'm not [TS]

  going to get any work done anyway it's [TS]

  nice and early like that's what I want [TS]

  to socialize with people to p.m. and [TS]

  nobody else in the world wants to [TS]

  socialize at that time but but you know [TS]

  from for me that that's a bigger thing [TS]

  like maintaining the regular sleep [TS]

  schedule it's a big deal and I have [TS]

  found that earlier is definitely better [TS]

  by like a huge order of magnitude in [TS]

  terms of actual productivity previously [TS]

  on the show I recommended the retro 51 [TS]

  tornado as a pen [TS]

  now this is your pen thing okay Brian's [TS]

  were in to ask what is the fountain pen [TS]

  equivalent of this is not this is the [TS]

  panicked all of a sudden what happened [TS]

  yes yes it is [TS]

  look every now and then I want to throw [TS]

  one in for me you know this is just for [TS]

  my enjoyment right now so brian and i [TS]

  would recommend the pen that you have [TS]

  already pointed out that your partner is [TS]

  using and this is part of the reason you [TS]

  want to do this is about your partner [TS]

  gift i would recommend the bank with the [TS]

  pilot metropolitan because it is a cheap [TS]

  an independent and it works great but if [TS]

  you want to go a little bit more than [TS]

  this i would recommend for you at which [TS]

  be eco lose our next move up i will put [TS]

  links in the show notes to these that's [TS]

  good cuz i also this is a pendant thank [TS]

  you this is a pen that takes think like [TS]

  you need a bottle of ink for this and i [TS]

  will also put a link to a line of inks [TS]

  that I think what really well of this it [TS]

  is called the pilot 0 shizuka new line [TS]

  of inks today we'll all be in the [TS]

  shadows and i will recommend [TS]

  to anyone listening to this show to try [TS]

  out even the retro do you want on any of [TS]

  the pilot metropolitan not frisbee eco [TS]

  if you have any care at all for pens [TS]

  because they are a fantastic tria yeah [TS]

  don't just use whatever pens they have [TS]

  in the hotel down Mike does not approve [TS]

  you deserve better listener but really [TS]

  do our elven asked what did you both [TS]

  want to be when you grew up where you [TS]

  want to be a professional podcaster [TS]

  right Mike only from the age of like 20 [TS]

  21 may be okay if I had dreams as a kid [TS]

  you know what were your dreams like so I [TS]

  wanted to be a few different things i [TS]

  did actually want to be a radio DJ so [TS]

  okay so essentially a podcaster yeah but [TS]

  that was when I was when I was really [TS]

  young and then as I grew up a little bit [TS]

  there were two two things that I really [TS]

  wanted to be one of them was a teacher [TS]

  and specifically for children with [TS]

  special needs was the thing that I was [TS]

  very interested in was a young man I [TS]

  could see that I could see that it was [TS]

  something that i was i was very [TS]

  passionate about but then kind of moved [TS]

  away from as I got older just because I [TS]

  also became quite career minded and it [TS]

  seems like at least in teaching the [TS]

  you're quite boxed in to the amount of [TS]

  movement that you can take an [TS]

  advancement that you can take there are [TS]

  a lot of paths it seems [TS]

  yeah that is that is definitely correct [TS]

  and i just learned about myself as I [TS]

  grew up that I needed to be challenged [TS]

  and that I felt like I would run out of [TS]

  challenges before I then had to to be [TS]

  something that maybe I wasn't interested [TS]

  in being which was like a headmaster [TS]

  yeah this is actually a perennial [TS]

  problem at a bunch of schools is is [TS]

  retaining ambitious talents precisely [TS]

  because of that it's a good a very [TS]

  narrow pyramid to climb in only one [TS]

  direction and and very often people [TS]

  don't want to climb in that direction [TS]

  but they they want to continue advancing [TS]

  and and this is this is definitely like [TS]

  a career problem that some teachers do [TS]

  run up against then I wanted to be a [TS]

  police officer that I cannot see thumbs [TS]

  down 90 degree and this was the job that [TS]

  I hand that I was something that i was [TS]

  sure i wanted to until maybe I was like [TS]

  17 it was something that I really wanted [TS]

  to do and it wasn't that I wanted to be [TS]

  a beat cop patrolling the streets of [TS]

  London but with you really club I wanted [TS]

  to be a detective [TS]

  that's that's what i wanted to be that [TS]

  was something and it's still something [TS]

  I'm very interested in how I've I wanted [TS]

  to be a detective I wanted to solve [TS]

  crimes who I cannot that's my eclectic [TS]

  list all that job now i am not physical [TS]

  enough to be a police officer this was [TS]

  what I realized in my life is that there [TS]

  is a lot of it that I wouldn't be good [TS]

  at so i didn't but did not pursue it [TS]

  I'm not tough enough basically [TS]

  I'm not tough enough basically [TS]

  I think you're doing a better job as a [TS]

  professional podcaster then you would do [TS]

  is a police officer just going to put [TS]

  that out there [TS]

  thank you so much did you want to be [TS]

  when you grow up [TS]

  I mean I love when people ask this kind [TS]

  of thing at I feel like what is what [TS]

  this question is asking is what did the [TS]

  dumb kid version of you want to do right [TS]

  and enough i feel like i have very [TS]

  little patience for most of this kind of [TS]

  stuff like when I was a kid I had all [TS]

  sorts of dumb ideas about things that I [TS]

  wanted to do but it's because you as a [TS]

  kid like you don't know anything about [TS]

  the working world you know any even even [TS]

  here like into the teenage years I think [TS]

  the same thing it's like Oh Mikey want [TS]

  to be a police officer but like you [TS]

  haven't caught anything at all about [TS]

  what being a police officer really [TS]

  entails wanted to drive cause really [TS]

  fast track right like this is this is [TS]

  this is like your idea when you're [TS]

  younger about what the working world is [TS]

  like and and so yeah there's a bunch of [TS]

  stuff that like my parents tell me that [TS]

  younger me was interested in doing when [TS]

  he grew up but I feel like I really care [TS]

  what that kid thought about anything he [TS]

  didn't know anything about anything but [TS]

  what do you want to do though [TS]

  come on just like it's like my parents [TS]

  like it at some point be a [TS]

  paleontologist right is like because [TS]

  like dinosaurs and I haven't bought [TS]

  anything at all about what being a [TS]

  paleontologist is like oh you ride [TS]

  dinosaur skeletons all day surely being [TS]

  a paleontologist it like now you're [TS]

  outside in the hot Sun moving a [TS]

  toothbrush / a bone for hours if you're [TS]

  lucky right has I'll now it's a terrible [TS]

  it's a terrible thing I i think the [TS]

  first serious career that I had a [TS]

  somewhat reasonable idea about which is [TS]

  the same reason that I didn't go into it [TS]

  was that when i was in college i was [TS]

  really aiming towards being a college [TS]

  physics professor mhm i thought like [TS]

  this is a thing that I really want to do [TS]

  and over the course of being at college [TS]

  was a process of coming to the [TS]

  conclusion that like this is not a job [TS]

  that I would really want to do there are [TS]

  parts of it that I would really want to [TS]

  do like driving a fast car but the [TS]

  actual miss of becoming a [TS]

  a physics professor I realize like [TS]

  across every front is like this is no [TS]

  like this does not match up with me I [TS]

  it's like realizing that I am neither [TS]

  smart nor patient enough to do a PhD [TS]

  program it's like there's no way this is [TS]

  going to happen I will lose my mind if I [TS]

  have to do this [TS]

  realizing i did I ran at some point I [TS]

  ran some numbers on like how many PhD [TS]

  tenure-track positions are there in the [TS]

  United States every year versus how many [TS]

  physics graduates are that is like whoa [TS]

  these are terrible numbers and just [TS]

  realizing like a bunch of things about [TS]

  myself as well like I just don't have [TS]

  the temperament to focus on a single [TS]

  task for three to six years so all of [TS]

  this is what like turned me away from [TS]

  what I would say was the first seriously [TS]

  considered maybe actually possible thing [TS]

  that a younger version of me would have [TS]

  wanted to do when he grew up almost [TS]

  wants to know do you ever get a VR [TS]

  headset now I got a playstation vr [TS]

  headset know you really liked it a lot [TS]

  I know you do there are some good games [TS]

  there's not enough good games i'm hoping [TS]

  for more games in 2017 i have cast and I [TS]

  towards oculus a couple of times just [TS]

  looked looked over in that direction [TS]

  uh-huh to go the next level but i have [TS]

  not yet gone to it there there's some [TS]

  stuff this year that i am finding [TS]

  interesting like there are some smaller [TS]

  computers and some purpose built [TS]

  computers that I've seen like there's [TS]

  some CSS that I've just keeping my eye [TS]

  on there is also like word of oculus [TS]

  trying to create their own all-in-one [TS]

  unit who same she's doing the same also [TS]

  microsoft later this year will be [TS]

  showing off their next Xbox which in [TS]

  they've said we'll have the our [TS]

  capabilities microsoft had a good [TS]

  partnership with oculus I'm wondering if [TS]

  that's where we're going to go down and [TS]

  will they be able to support pc games [TS]

  there this is a there is i expect by the [TS]

  end of this year that i will have some [TS]

  other equipment in my house because you [TS]

  can never have enough never enough [TS]

  immersion vr what did you buy [TS]

  ok like i have bought nothing because i [TS]

  think i need a new house before I can [TS]

  get a VR pets yeah this is the problem [TS]

  this is a problem if you really want the [TS]

  big the big equipment it is difficult i [TS]

  have used HTC vive I have not spoken [TS]

  about this on the show who and I think [TS]

  that it's a great system but some of the [TS]

  things that are good about things that I [TS]

  don't like about it and i like that you [TS]

  can move around but every now now bump [TS]

  into something and then that ruins the [TS]

  experience so I trip over the cable and [TS]

  that bruise the experience so it's a [TS]

  great system but I don't like it so much [TS]

  and also what everybody said that they [TS]

  loved with the controllers but those [TS]

  controllers and not as good as the [TS]

  oculus touch controllers and we had used [TS]

  those a long time before they came out [TS]

  like six or seven months so we were [TS]

  starting i think at a better level and I [TS]

  find the oculus touch controls to be [TS]

  vastly superior to HTC's just in the way [TS]

  that they feel and the way you use them [TS]

  so I still maintain that my favorite [TS]

  system i have used is the oculus yeah i [TS]

  mean if this is the problem I I have [TS]

  this feeling of like go big or go home [TS]

  with VR and that there are some vr [TS]

  options but I just I feel like that [TS]

  oculus experience was just so good that [TS]

  I either want to wait for other systems [TS]

  to catch up to that or I want to [TS]

  replicate that and if I'm trying to [TS]

  replicate it at the very least it's like [TS]

  me know that this this plant that I'm [TS]

  living in London is that there is no [TS]

  there is no place for this and it [TS]

  requires a rethinking of everything in [TS]

  like our room which is the kitchen and [TS]

  also the living room as like where would [TS]

  this go this would go nowhere so I i do [TS]

  keep piling up a list of reasons why my [TS]

  wife and I maybe should move and on that [TS]

  list of reasons i would have space for [TS]

  new vr [TS]

  mint is probably the least convincing [TS]

  item that is on there for her but I feel [TS]

  like it is it is very convincing for me [TS]

  you need a mega office man wait a minute [TS]

  I'm going to disagree with you on that [TS]

  actually because I don't think you [TS]

  should have your VR headset in your mega [TS]

  office I think you need you need clean [TS]

  distinct different contacts no for [TS]

  working at games a part of my work gray [TS]

  that is why you should not tell yourself [TS]

  that i have a video game podcast i have [TS]

  one [TS]

  yeah yeah yeah I know Mike but I feel [TS]

  like that come at me that video game [TS]

  podcast exists to support this idea [TS]

  mega office serves two main roles in [TS]

  this home it is one where Mike can do [TS]

  work and to where Mike can put all of [TS]

  the stuff that shouldn't be in the rest [TS]

  of the house and this just becomes [TS]

  myspace i have a sofa so far is [TS]

  perfectly positioned in front of the TV [TS]

  mhm problem that works for you but the [TS]

  the whole reason that I have an office [TS]

  that is outside of the house is I I know [TS]

  I can't work like that like I'm i need [TS]

  the different environments to be as [TS]

  clean and as clear as possible so that [TS]

  you can keep the outside of the house [TS]

  office but then also have the inside of [TS]

  the house office which has the VR [TS]

  equipment that's not gonna happen like [TS]

  it's not gonna happen [TS]

  this is a life hack my friend notice [TS]

  terrible idea [TS]

  cic 128 wants to know if i skip a you [TS]

  too bad do you get anything for it [TS]

  I don't know the houses for this oh [TS]

  really you don't know the answer you as [TS]

  a as a YouTube creator you don't know [TS]

  yeah so I think the short answer to this [TS]

  is know if you have one of those youtube [TS]

  ads where it's running down a little [TS]

  timer that says you know you can skip [TS]

  this in five four three two one [TS]

  if you immediately press that the [TS]

  YouTube creator does not get a cut of [TS]

  the ad revenue but though it there is a [TS]

  question of how quickly do you skip it i [TS]

  don't know the exact boundaries i think [TS]

  they move them around sometimes [TS]

  but there is a system of partial payouts [TS]

  depending on how much of a skippable add [TS]

  you have watched a high tube right [TS]

  expects a percentage probably right yeah [TS]

  and whatever it is is like you know they [TS]

  take fifty percent of the ad revenue if [TS]

  you watch fifty percent of the video and [TS]

  then at seventy-five percent they take [TS]

  all there's there's something in that [TS]

  boundary and I know that there's some [TS]

  lower boundary where there's like a [TS]

  small amount that is taken but if you if [TS]

  you hit it on like exactly when it's up [TS]

  its count as a as an unwatched add in [TS]

  the system so you don't get any money [TS]

  for that [TS]

  ok that's good to know I've noticed the [TS]

  thing recently which i think is kind of [TS]

  cool [TS]

  I've seen a bunch of companies creating [TS]

  like a three-second ads [TS]

  oh yeah i haven't actually noticed that [TS]

  you have noticed from a few like Eva [TS]

  it's a company that is just their entire [TS]

  you too bad it's like five seconds long [TS]

  blue and there's nothing they just [TS]

  carried there's no skipping it's just a [TS]

  five-second at though it's within the [TS]

  realms of what people expect I've also [TS]

  seen a couple of things where you will [TS]

  see a company to a five-second dad and [TS]

  then the 30-second ad and the [TS]

  five-second dad is is there to try and [TS]

  entice you [TS]

  I say that so I thought finance stuff [TS]

  really interesting like people playing [TS]

  with it and I've been i watch more of [TS]

  those out honestly because they grabbed [TS]

  me and i watch the thing if you are a [TS]

  company that makes ads there you go you [TS]

  want my own money and say you get it [TS]

  five-second ads thomas wants to know [TS]

  what is gray spreadsheet program of [TS]

  choice and why [TS]

  oh and i use apples numbers actually in [TS]

  theory i should be using Excel long long [TS]

  time ago i actually had a job that was [TS]

  essentially just using Excel [TS]

  professionally in a way [TS]

  excel is vastly more powerful it can do [TS]

  a lot more but for the spreadsheets that [TS]

  i use now i use numbers because of two [TS]

  things the first is it does just look [TS]

  nicer it takes a lot less effort to make [TS]

  a numbers spreadsheet [TS]

  look nicer and the second thing which I [TS]

  really love and I can't believe excel [TS]

  hasn't copied in some way is the way [TS]

  that numbers allows you to have you [TS]

  don't have to be working with a single [TS]

  infinite grid in all directions you can [TS]

  just drop down a little mini grid and [TS]

  move it around so it is like you're [TS]

  working on a blank piece of paper and [TS]

  you can have like multiple grids all [TS]

  over the place and like different [TS]

  yeah it's interesting yes and and that [TS]

  allowing you to rearrange things i find [TS]

  hugely helpful for the source of [TS]

  spreadsheets that I want to create well [TS]

  have a bunch of I'm like it's not [TS]

  programming or anything but it's it's [TS]

  like all have a spreadsheet where I want [TS]

  to just put in some inputs and then get [TS]

  the output is displayed in some [TS]

  different way as like yeah I could do [TS]

  this with excel and and you sort of fake [TS]

  it with hiding some of the cells but [TS]

  it's just much nicer and much easier and [TS]

  faster to get a good-looking if you can [TS]

  just drop down a little table and say I [TS]

  wanted to go exactly here and then maybe [TS]

  I rearranged it later go out an output [TS]

  over there it's better in this spot i [TS]

  just really like I really like numbers [TS]

  for that and it's a feature that I use a [TS]

  lot like a ton of my spreadsheets are a [TS]

  very large number of individual tables [TS]

  that I'm putting data into and and [TS]

  rearranging in a way that I could do it [TS]

  with excel but it would be more of a [TS]

  pain in the butt to do with excel even [TS]

  if it is the more powerful tool and it [TS]

  definitely is the thing that I run into [TS]

  often ish enough that there's something [TS]

  I would like to do that would be trivial [TS]

  to do in Excel which number is just [TS]

  simply can't but I'm willing to take [TS]

  that that trade-off for the way that it [TS]

  it looks and the way it's easily [TS]

  rearrange able dylan wants to know now [TS]

  the editorial has been updated for the [TS]

  ipad pro where we standing of we already [TS]

  moved away to applications like one [TS]

  writer or bear and if so would we move [TS]

  back so i have posted we moved all of my [TS]

  writing of this kind to the ios app bear [TS]

  i think that is really nice and it works [TS]

  very well for me for writing what I [TS]

  writing in which tends to just be [TS]

  copy far and i write them bear i'm not [TS]

  going to be switching back to a tutorial [TS]

  for for my work there purely because i [TS]

  am concerned at the rate of advancement [TS]

  of the application and I was on the beta [TS]

  but it took very very very long time for [TS]

  that to come out of beta for this [TS]

  version so i am i'm gonna stick with [TS]

  that for the time being [TS]

  yeah editorial was my primary app for a [TS]

  very long time for doing the writing and [TS]

  for the video scripts and for some other [TS]

  things that i right [TS]

  i'm now using Ulysses as the primary app [TS]

  which what we've talked about very much [TS]

  at all not but Ulysses has some features [TS]

  that i really really like is one of [TS]

  those apps that it's like I played [TS]

  around with it for a little bit and it [TS]

  it takes awhile to like change your mind [TS]

  a little bit to take full advantage of [TS]

  the way that this can work and I have to [TS]

  say like the the rules for rulers videos [TS]

  that i did those relied very heavily on [TS]

  some of the features that Ulysses has [TS]

  where if you're working with it the way [TS]

  it wants you to work you can rearrange [TS]

  sections quite easily you can see little [TS]

  like the outline of what it is that [TS]

  you're working on the side and move [TS]

  sections up and down and I was doing [TS]

  that constantly on the on those videos [TS]

  and that is a kind of feature that I [TS]

  have a very hard time now imagining [TS]

  using any kind of writing app that [TS]

  doesn't have some ability to do this to [TS]

  to replicate information on the side and [TS]

  a quick ability to rearrange the [TS]

  sections so that is become just an [TS]

  absolute vital feature and editorial [TS]

  doesn't have that and there's also some [TS]

  stuff with Ulysses because it's working [TS]

  in dropbox there's some fancy stuff i [TS]

  don't really need to get into right now [TS]

  but in the way that my assistant can [TS]

  also have access to a subset of the [TS]

  things that i'm working on on Ulysses on [TS]

  her end through dropbox and everything [TS]

  like sinks in a really nice way but she [TS]

  doesn't have to have access to [TS]

  everything that I'm working on it like [TS]

  there's a nice things that I can do with [TS]

  this [TS]

  app so that's why it has taken the [TS]

  primary place as the fact that i'm [TS]

  working in and for everything else [TS]

  i'm also using bear as a kind of scratch [TS]

  pad or list maker or just for various [TS]

  miscellaneous things I have to say I'm [TS]

  really impressed with that app I really [TS]

  like some of the color schemes in the [TS]

  way they arrange things so that those [TS]

  are the two apps that are my primary [TS]

  writing two apps at this point Adrienne [TS]

  would like to know how your betrayal of [TS]

  the macbook adorable has been going [TS]

  didn't betray anything and was the touch [TS]

  bar really worth this betrayal but no it [TS]

  betrayed me [TS]

  it went up a little puff of smoke mm-hmm [TS]

  I feel like this is more question if I [TS]

  betrayed you is what's really coming out [TS]

  what everything working out in this [TS]

  there was a betrayal and has it with a [TS]

  few is it been worth it for you do you [TS]

  use that computer [TS]

  yeah i do use that computer it is useful [TS]

  for exactly the purpose that I intended [TS]

  it which is for occasional mobile [TS]

  podcast recording and or editing and so [TS]

  was the macbook now what you're asking [TS]

  me if I'm using it for these things like [TS]

  yes I use it for that i do have to say i [TS]

  really i really really like the [TS]

  second-generation butterflying keys i [TS]

  was always a defender of the adorable [TS]

  keyboard i think people didn't use it [TS]

  long enough to get used to it and i [TS]

  really liked it but the [TS]

  second-generation keyboard is way better [TS]

  and I however i really hope that Apple [TS]

  at some point updates their magic [TS]

  keyboard to use the same switches okay i [TS]

  think they're fantastic [TS]

  don't say that i left why why because [TS]

  test people have lots of opinions about [TS]

  the keyboards and I don't think people [TS]

  would would would like to hana no I am [TS]

  NOT interested in what they would like [TS]

  these two sides of Apple here which are [TS]

  probably warring with each other which [TS]

  is the efficiencies of scale versus boy [TS]

  we sure don't want to retool any of our [TS]

  equipment i think that's that's the [TS]

  battle that would be taking place over [TS]

  what is the next generation of the magic [TS]

  keyboard [TS]

  but but i would love them too i would [TS]

  love them to go with the efficiencies of [TS]

  scale argument on that I have that I [TS]

  really like it [TS]

  as for the touch bar the lack of escape [TS]

  button is not really any problem i find [TS]

  i hit that corner really easily every [TS]

  time I want to hit the escape button I [TS]

  it doesn't bother me that there's not a [TS]

  physical button there i was expecting [TS]

  that to be a problem but it isn't as for [TS]

  the actual touch bar i feel like i still [TS]

  need to be convinced by some software [TS]

  implementation that this is a useful [TS]

  feature it's funny because I actually [TS]

  strikes me as like the reverse of a pro [TS]

  feature but whenever I pay attention to [TS]

  it it really feels like this is actually [TS]

  a feature for newbies where it's it's [TS]

  trying to show to you and reveal to you [TS]

  aspects of the program that you might [TS]

  not be aware of and I feel like for [TS]

  almost anything that the touch bar is [TS]

  showing me there's a keyboard command [TS]

  that I already know that i'm going to [TS]

  use or the additional information that [TS]

  it shows is not really helpful [TS]

  it's just kind of flashy and show off e [TS]

  so I actually think that the touch bar [TS]

  is a great feature for someone new to [TS]

  the mac like it's not directed at first [TS]

  it would be but I'm i don't i don't [TS]

  think the way they sold it as like oh [TS]

  this is an amazing pro feature like I [TS]

  haven't seen that materialized on on my [TS]

  own so that's that's been my experience [TS]

  with the touch bar so far [TS]

  silence sense of betrayal yep carrie [TS]

  wants to know what is your opinion on [TS]

  the Amazon echo I know you love the [TS]

  Amazon echo uh-huh i have seen in person [TS]

  demonstrations of the Amazon echo which [TS]

  are very impressive about how it can [TS]

  hear you and the commands that everybody [TS]

  has it [TS]

  do I have some some resistance to [TS]

  setting up a thing that is in another [TS]

  ecosystem and if I feel less convinced [TS]

  by the utility of it for me personally [TS]

  like I just I don't like talking to [TS]

  devices if I can a guy like when I'm [TS]

  controlling the lights in my house [TS]

  sure I can talk to Siri to do that but [TS]

  I'm much I much prefer pressing a button [TS]

  and just doing it that way so I a lot of [TS]

  the Amazon echo stuff is a gag i can see [TS]

  that that would be useful but i always [TS]

  feel like I have some kind of mental [TS]

  resistance to talking as a form of [TS]

  computer interface it's it's not it's [TS]

  not my go-to uh how do you turn your [TS]

  lights on enough because you have to [TS]

  hear lights right yeah he lights so what [TS]

  was your interface for interactivity [TS]

  lights so the the hue lights are [TS]

  connected into the Apple home system [TS]

  yep so that means on on any of the ipads [TS]

  on my phone I can use the control panel [TS]

  to toggle the presets that i have so i [TS]

  thought you know i haven't had a whole [TS]

  bunch but there's like six buttons for [TS]

  the various ways that I want most of the [TS]

  lights [TS]

  ok or the thing that happens really [TS]

  often as i have it depending on the [TS]

  watch face i'm using either have the [TS]

  home button on my watch face or it's [TS]

  always in the dock of my watch and so [TS]

  that's the other way that I'll adjust [TS]

  the lights is by doing that and they I i [TS]

  know that under this circumstance it [TS]

  would often be faster and easier to be [TS]

  able to just speak out loud to the [TS]

  elected to ask it to change the lights [TS]

  instead but it still doesn't get over [TS]

  this this like mental resistance that I [TS]

  feel to talking out loud to a computer [TS]

  guy i will always prefer the silent [TS]

  interface if it's an option and I feel [TS]

  like voice commands for me RA [TS]

  a mental last resort [TS]

  ok that's interesting because I'm [TS]

  definitely the reverse for my hue lights [TS]

  he and and this the same for dinner as [TS]

  well we just walk around the house and [TS]

  ask for the lights to be time on the [TS]

  rooms were going into I mean to be fair [TS]

  my wife would probably greatly [TS]

  appreciate if I could set up a lot but [TS]

  because she is obviously referring voice [TS]

  interface and she tries to talk to Siri [TS]

  to change the lights which I can only [TS]

  describe as a perpetual exercise in [TS]

  frustration right see this is the thing [TS]

  with the echo it is a surprise if it [TS]

  doesn't want [TS]

  yeah and with Siri i have found it to be [TS]

  the inverse yeah [TS]

  Cirie is terrible at this kind of stuff [TS]

  maybe you should just get one but i have [TS]

  no use for it and that's how i would be [TS]

  the person setting it up really not hard [TS]

  to set up i'm really trying mostly to [TS]

  convince her to use the silent interface [TS]

  instead just press the button it works [TS]

  when you press the button every time but [TS]

  i think this is also just a general [TS]

  problem with with Siri if just just the [TS]

  other day I heard this thing which would [TS]

  purchase it was so frustrating to listen [TS]

  to but my wife was in the shower and she [TS]

  was trying to ask Siri to record a [TS]

  reminder for later and the site [TS]

  serie could he likes it could be here [TS]

  like hey Siri and then the phone would [TS]

  wake up and she would try to talk to it [TS]

  and it would and I must have her try to [TS]

  do this thing 10 times as like I [TS]

  couldn't bear to hear it anymore like I [TS]

  just had to go and like I let me just [TS]

  type it in for you like I'm so sorry [TS]

  that you've had this experience with [TS]

  Siri trying to listen to you lates [TS]

  I understand you're in this like you're [TS]

  in the shower is it's trying to hear you [TS]

  over water is not an optimal situation [TS]

  but it was a thing that i was thinking [TS]

  like I'm pretty sure Amazon echo would [TS]

  get this no problem [TS]

  it depends it depends like so we have [TS]

  our echo in our kitchen and if we have [TS]

  the extract to fan going for blast [TS]

  it can take a couple of tries to get it [TS]

  to hear you who but once it's heard the [TS]

  wake word it does a pretty good job but [TS]

  sometimes you have to really give it a [TS]

  shout to get it to wake up who food [TS]

  there is that there is a problem that [TS]

  all of these machines have white noise [TS]

  but i will say that that the echo is the [TS]

  best that i found primarily because it [TS]

  is a canister full of microphones [TS]

  yeah right so that's why it does a [TS]

  better job but it it can still struggle [TS]

  but i would say that probably would do a [TS]

  better job in that scenario than Syria [TS]

  would have honestly [TS]

  let's just say there was definitely some [TS]

  shouting it's eerie yeah yeah they're [TS]

  worth [TS]

  there is some shouting to be hat but you [TS]

  know i will say that i have been in the [TS]

  office and i have heard cause words set [TS]

  towards the echo in the kitchen making [TS]

  me it happens and I do it do it happens [TS]