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I just feeling out to see whether you're
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making a legit mistake or troll in and
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use trollin I patrolling use myriapods
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anymore
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I thought I am NOT tiff uses the more
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than I do now because did you get one
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pair or two pair
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I got one pair which is two airports but
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yes it how you got three air pods yeah
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how many how many your holes can you
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fill with the air pods that are in the
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house too
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okay that's what I thought okay so you
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have a single-payer like you said yes
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and tiff is using the more than you
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yeah she uses them actually often with
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the apple TV like when I'm podcasting
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frequently on gets it isn't as nice
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using it with other stuff but it does
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work and there's a couple of the
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niceties like when you when you when you
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use the volume up and down on the apple
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TV remote with airports connected it
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does the volume to them instead of like
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your speakers so it doesn't do it the
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auto pairing thing the way it doesn't
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iOS devices but once you have it paired
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it works nicely so how does that was
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happening i'm not trying to be funny how
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does that work then do you have to like
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go into settings in the apple TV & and
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say connect to the air pods every single
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time I forget if we do every single time
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I i think it was the first time I don't
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usually she just does it
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I think once they're paired as long as
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you don't pair them with something else
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though right
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that's the issue and and so we've
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actually I've actually seen a number of
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times i was doing was trying to testing
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between like the phone the TV ipad watch
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a mac like you testing all these
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different things and I found that it air
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pods are a little bit frustrating in
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trying to share between different
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devices and having a not-quite always do
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what you want
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like even though the old way of doing
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bluetooth for you have to like one pair
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from 12 fights appeared something else
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that's also terrible but the way
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airports do it is not quite flawless but
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how do they do it
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that's my question because i have used
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my ear pods with my phone in my ipad
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right those are two two devices
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yeah is something supposed to happen
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other than me going to settings and
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tapping bluetooth and tapping air pods
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because that's what I've been doing my
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favorite thing is occasionally I'll put
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in a single airpot
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and i'll be in like the bedroom and I'm
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listening to a podcast or something like
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that and then i'll put in like five or
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ten minutes later i'll put in another
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the the other air pod and it will go to
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connect and for whatever reason it will
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semi consistently connect the iMac which
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is in the next room over the office and
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so I have one Airport connected to my
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phone and one connected to my my mac and
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so i'll double tap like the the one
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connected the iMac which I still haven't
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changed to do play pause so I'll here
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Syria of one here and then like whatever
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podcast was need to out of the other
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year it's actually quite funny and and I
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could see how that would be really
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frustrating to someone who isn't like a
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developer perhaps or who doesn't think
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about how difficult it is to implement
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all this but to me I just find it to be
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hysterical
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yeah I still got some weird audio sync
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problems sometimes but overall they're
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still there still winning just because I
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guess my hatred of chords and snags has
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a mandarin house I i find it very
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frustrating that I can't change volume
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and I have all these crazy schemes on
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how to adjust the volume by like
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reaching into my pocket and feeling for
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which side of the phone is face up so I
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know whether I have to reach the side
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with the power button never order the
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volume thing like little slow down like
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slow down we are you talking pant pocket
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of jacket pocket jacket
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ok then night night than i i i i mean
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like my winter jacket and you know reach
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around to change they are like what I do
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in the kitchen except I don't put the
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phone in the kitchen the phone is in the
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dining room
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so if i want to change the volume i have
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like take a few steps into our room and
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on the little sideboard thing the volume
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up or down but i'm living within
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apparently you know personal putting I'm
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people hate when i said is not correct
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but deal with it you know what I mean
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that i i'm i'm now using them despite
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the fact that double tapping my ear is
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uncomfortable and despite the fact that
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double tapping works weirdly in
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consistently some people have suggested
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the triple tap to try to you know I have
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a mulligan in there if one of them
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doesn't register
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sometimes I blame overcast or indoor /
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iOS first taking over cast out of memory
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so that it has to launch again before i
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can start playing and I question whether
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it it registered my taps and doesn't
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have just haven't started playing yet
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sometimes it's so far out of memory that
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it starts playing music despite the last
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thing the fact the last thing I was
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listening to the podcast very confusing
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but anyway
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all that said i'm still using them
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instead of my wired ones the only place
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i've used my wire was recently was
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watching my ipad in case where my ear
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pods were downstairs and it's like well
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i got the wired headphones here and I'm
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not going anywhere i'm just watching
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something on my iPad on my bed or
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something
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I'm like the wireless i'm totally sold
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on and as I mentioned earlier like I
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love the idea of the airport is just how
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incredibly small and pocketable they are
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they don't fit me comfortably and they
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don't really work for my life as a
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result and so that's why I'm not really
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using my tips and more than i am but
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that being said all those limitations
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about what you can and can't easily
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control from them like volume and play
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pause being finicky and stuff like that
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when i switch back to my beloved old
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sennheiser PX 2 10 BTW when it has its
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giant you know that this little like you
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know on a year
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bluetooth said that I've had for a
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couple years now that I walk my dog
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every day with and it just has these big
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plastic buttons on the right earcup and
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I can play pause volume up and down
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seat back seat forward next track
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previous track all with these five
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buttons on the right earcup and it is
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just so convenient and every time I try
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other headphones for a little while to
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review them or talk about on the show
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whatever else
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whenever I go back to my crappy little
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sanitizer bluetooth headphones i am so
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happy with the amount of control and
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comedian that I have them even though
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they sound like crap and they're pretty
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ugly and they are you know still like
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over the head headphones even if they're
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compact ones so they don't fit in any
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pocket really they'll fit jacket pockets
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but not like a pants pocket and it is
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just so nice to have those and I it i've
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tried now I still haven't done a review
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i keep meaning to maybe do video reviews
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and I keep putting it off because it
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turns out videos a lot of work but uh
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I've tried now many high-end bluetooth
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headphones including the air pods but
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also including like all like the the
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former dollar crazy ones from like piano
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and BMW and bows all these other I
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headphone companies and the convenience
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of my relatively cheap bluetooth
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headphones just have big plastic buttons
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on the side cannot be like it is there
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so convenient for everyday use that's
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why i use them for podcast like and I
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would never recommend them for music
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because they sound like they sound like
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trash that they just have the worst
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sound music ever before podcasts totally
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fine and 80 man it's just so nice having
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those physical controls right in the eye
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can operate with gloves on
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i don't use any voice assistance they
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work every single time like it's just
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reliable physical controls and they're
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not sexy and they're not cool but they
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work and it's really hard to beat that
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yeah if only there was a device you
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could like I don't know strapped to your
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body somehow that would give you all of
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those physical controls and also let you
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like get a text message and also let you
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reply to a text message and also let you
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get other notifications would not be
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awesome
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ok let's go and all i remember I I said
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that it works every time that your cum
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buttons work everytime not eighty
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percent of the time and I can use them
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with gloves on and yeah speaking of that
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i keep forgetting to try that was
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suggested so long ago and still hasn't
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occurred to me to try to give that a try
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by really trying to watch using the
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yeah but to as as an example of like
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having a physical volume control is
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easier than reaching into my pocket and
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and finding my phone's volume button and
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stuff like that
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truth be told finding the volume button
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is probably easier but it did this is a
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solvable problem it's just that you
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don't want to solve it you don't want it
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to be solved the way it has been solved
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sounds like me in cars let's do so was
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actually a solution i already have it
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was really cheap a few years ago and it
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works perfectly every time and and the
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the newfangled solution is both
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something like four times the price and
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worse so know that this actually is a
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case for the old solution was totally
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fine and the good thing is like this is
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this is one of the areas were like you
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know as you Casey have been an advocate
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for so long
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cheap bluetooth headphones are
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plentiful these days tons of people make
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cheap bluetooth headphones and they're
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largely pretty decent they're not good
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but they're decent and and for their
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price they're usually fairly reasonable
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and these headphones were at the time i
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bought them kind of expensive at
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something like a hundred dollars are
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hundred and ten dollars they're not
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worth more than that if you see them for
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sainthood two people more than that but
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there anymore that really these days
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however that you know these are there
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doesn't like a five-year-old pair of
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headphones
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this is one of the areas where like the
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higher-end headphones the higher-end
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wireless headphones are nicer in certain
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ways they are possibly more portable
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like air pods they are better sounding
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like some of the high-end ones from like
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piano and stuff they are you know better
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noise cancellation and maybe more
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comfortable with their larger on your
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however for practicality of just like
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Wireless wearing them while walking or
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better for almost all purposes for that
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kind of use than the high-end expensive
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ever need to flip between it devices
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five years ago I believe that are still
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kicking I just don't use them because my
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work my work computer and it was great
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you'll see that's the sound was
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acceptable and they had buttons on the
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did you know keyboard right in front of
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me but anyway yeah there they work just
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fine and I do agree with you you know I
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i freaking love my ear pods but
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nonetheless if you don't feel like
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spending on sixty dollars on a set of
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little earbuds you can easily spend
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between 20 and a hundred and get
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something that's nearly as good as long
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frequently as long as you don't mind a
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giant thing like I would never trade my
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ear pods I would ever go back to Wired
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earbuds before I would go to a big thing
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that goes over my head with a big band
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and put stupid squishy circles on my
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ears like I'm
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humph i want the buds that's what i want
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choices and then a distant third would
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be okay if I can't have any kind of year
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enough all right let's a start the show
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to send a follow up John wanted to tell
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me about a phone contracts and other
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ways that you can make people buy
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iphones if this is much more interesting
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thanks know the last week we talked
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about the different tractors that make
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people feel like they need to get a new
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device on a run faster schedule than
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people apparently and/or supposedly get
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new ipads and I was bringing up the idea
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that phones get dropped and break more
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often than iPads just by their nature so
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that could be one thing that will make
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people turn them over a couple people
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wrote in to bring up the idea of
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contracts which are less prevalent now
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than they used to be in the u.s. it used
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to be that the phone was like oh it's
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you know $200 this phone on a two-year
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contract with all blonde it was just a
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typical money hiding schemes where you
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know human nature makes you not see the
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upfront costs and you read don't do the
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multiplication your head so it seems
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like a cheaper deal these days it seems
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to me that someone who does not buy a
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new phone that often that the shift is
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more towards you bought a new phone
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exactly once
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yeah well now that you know I've i M i
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suppose the I brought my tracfone so
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that I that the movies away from
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contracts and more towards buying them
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up front unlocked
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I don't know if that's a just an iphone
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thing or just my personal experience
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thing but either way
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historically that has been a big
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motivator to get people to buy a new
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phone every few years because it seems
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like a good deal because they hide all
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the costs from you in a way that makes
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your your silly fallible brain feel like
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you're not spending the money that you
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are spending anyone else here for a
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am I supposed to be paying less on my
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cell phone bill now that I by my phones
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that right because I'm not know you
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shouldn't be but that such as well it
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depends on how bad of a deal you got but
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the strange thing about the deals now is
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that they psychologically see more
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expensive know like mine just is more
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expensive like like so i have AT&T
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and I started by my phones outright not
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taking their subsidies anymore and the
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plans are also the same prices and I
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like I'm not I'm just spending more
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money now
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no you should be spending you should be
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spending a little bit less i'm logging
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into the AT&T right now but what happens
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is the plans cost the same however they
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give you a very peculiar Lee peculiar
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named discount once you're no longer
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subsidizing a phone and it's gonna take
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me like three hours to figure out where
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in my bill this is listed
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yeah they did that I remember hearing
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the same thing from my wife who wrangles
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the the phone contracts that sometimes
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you have to call them to remind them to
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give you the better deal once you're off
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contract and that deal gets discount
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discount for access which is on the
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mainline $25 off your total cost but a
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great because discount for access hole
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actually it's on both lines it's $25 off
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because when I think discount for access
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I think this is offsetting the subsidy
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cost don't you
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that's fantastic yeah whatever it is an
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interesting change that they're getting
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brave enough to reveal the price in a
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way that will register with consumers
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brains in the way that you know is much
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scarier than the old way of like you
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know every new iPhones $200 now every
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new iphone is eight hundred dollars you
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like whoa later dollars it's it's like
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you just didn't do the math before send
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the other factor that people would talk
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about for getting new phones it's gonna
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make you get a new phone before you get
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a new ipad row or even knew you know
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laptop is battery life which you think
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would make a difference cool ipad and
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laptop batteries too but phones
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batteries are really really small and
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they're much closer to the ragged edge
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of acceptable in terms of battery life
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so when the tiny little battery that
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probably is subjected to much harsher
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environmental conditions than your iPad
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or your laptop in terms of putting in
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pockets or maybe leaving in cars and
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stuff like that like I feel like it big
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in the same way of dropping the phone
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goes everywhere with you so there's more
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variability even just being your outside
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jacket pocket during the winter which
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I'm guilty of me know when I'm shoveling
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snow i have my phone in my jacket pocket
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that can't be good for the battery to
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deal with those temperatures anyway the
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phone battery starts to go south
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it's a bad scene you can deal with a
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many years old ipad battery because then
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it drops from 10 hours 25 but because of
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the way we use iPads that's ok but if
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your phone drops from making it in till
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6pm into making it to only 4pm that's a
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no-go and you're gonna be like oh I need
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a new phone because my battery sucks so
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more hardware-based reasons that people
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want new phone soon as they want two
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ipads also there's the Apple whatever
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upgrade program I forget what it's
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called now but I feel like several like
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normal people that I know have started
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doing that was that call it just upgrade
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iphone upgrade program but anyway I feel
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like that
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yes iphone upgrade program and that and
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there are equivalents with each carrier
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that are roughly the same money so I
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feel like that's what's going on is it's
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your sort of kind of leasing your phone
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now I mean honestly this this is really
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a better system
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I mean this is like most of the rest of
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the world outside of the US was we're
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doing systems that were more like this
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long before we were we're like for you
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you little just bought the phone
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outright and then paid like cheaper
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plans like it does make more sense this
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way things are a little bit more honest
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even if even if even though the as usual
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America has taken a straight normal
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honor system and has twisted it and
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sexually that's really confusing and
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complicated and tries to hide all the
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actual cause still called capitalism
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that's called something but uh yeah i
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mean it i think this is still this is
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long-term a better system even if it is
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somewhat confusing in the short term as
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we have made the transition over the
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last few years
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alright John tell me if I take a
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photograph of you flashing me the peace
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sign is that a problem
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this is related to the idea of
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biometrics and how accessible the
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features of your body maybe to other
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people because once they have them and
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if you use them
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as a means of security on your devices
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and you've got a problem because as we
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establish that show your faces indeed
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your face and your fingers are your
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fingers and so I i was about how it is
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easier to get pictures of someone's face
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that is the pictures of their
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fingerprints to articles related to this
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one from Japan where cultural custom is
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to flash the peace sign two fingers up
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in the air in photos and if you do that
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obviously you're facing two of your
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fingerprints right at the camera get
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good enough lighting you get enough
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megapixels you can lift your prints off
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of that so there's an article about that
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happening and being careful about it
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because you are literally showing them
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your fingerprints here they are and you
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know technology is amazing we can lift
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fingerprints format and the second
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article was in a more challenging
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scenario can we pull fingerprints from a
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photo where someone's not flashing a
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peace sign but we just happened to catch
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their finger at the right angle at the
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right time but they would be video or
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still photos and the answer is yes you
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can do that as well if you get the right
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shot all which is scary and all of which
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leads to the idea that especially for
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public figures or people who expect to
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be photographed or people who have
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access to things that are highly
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desirable as opposed to just like your
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personal email account but if you are
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someone who is a head of state or
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something and you're using your
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fingerprints for something important
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than people are highly motivated to get
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them so yeah be careful out there don't
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show people your fingers or your face I
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suppose it just never be photographed in
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any capacity ever
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chromebooks and chrome OS and how that
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relates to our max we talked about the
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arm macromer a idea from slashdot and as
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a Morlock down Mac type system and a lot
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of people brought up Chromebooks which
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we have talked about in the past as an
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example of a very similar type of thing
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that has existed for a while
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it's taking it more of the extreme and
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not only is the Chromebook obviously
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like lockdown in the way that this you
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know fantasize / rumor are Mac was but
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also it shifts everything network which
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this rumor did not mentioning anything
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about the mac being but it all boils
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down to the piece of hardware being more
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robust in the face of user indifference
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and my god how to phrase it like you
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don't have to know how to you can you
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can know less about using a personal
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computer and be successful within the
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same way that you don't need to know as
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much about personal computing to be
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successful with an iPad or an iPhone as
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opposed to a macbook so Chromebooks
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there are far fewer places where you can
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get into trouble software installing
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software is more straightforward the
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number of things you can do to it mess
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it up as much lower the overall system
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is simpler obviously Chromebook and
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chrome OS are far cry from the mac
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operating system with a heavy focus on
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doing stuff with web technologies
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through a browser with many things being
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put into the cloud and i think thats
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implication in fact is a big advantage
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Chromebooks have over any of apples
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devices the aggressively count cloud
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centric focus that this thing you're
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holding your hand is nothing everything
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you do if you have access to the network
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is saves than at work aggressively so
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that pretty much at any point when
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you're working on a Chromebook you can
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do a five-count and throw the thing out
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the window into a lake and then go get
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another Chromebook back room and sign-in
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and resume where you left off
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you cannot do that with any Apple device
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right that's the dream of the Chromebook
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I've always thought it was a brilliant
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idea perhaps not very well executed but
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every time we talk about ipads or max
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especially as they relate to education
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people come out of the woodwork to tell
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us how Chromebooks are kicking apples
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but in education because what a dream
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machine
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you educational institutions do not want
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to deal with wrangling computers or
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software anything like that you have a
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bunch of computers that you're gonna put
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a bunch of students in front of that's
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just you know that they're gonna do
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everything they can to mess things up
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like eventually we'll mess themselves up
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especially if there are you know if it's
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windows and we're in a decade ago I
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assume it's better now
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Chromebooks are very results are iPads
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for that matter but Chromebooks even
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more so in that they they are resistant
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to slowly degrading and or being
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compromised by devious students and
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there's lots of good tools for managing
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fleets of these things that were having
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multiple students signed into them and
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apples made some strides here with their
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weird multi-user sign in and out sync
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everything from iCloud things they've
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been doing with the ipad lately but
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Chromebooks almost always been on price
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you can get cheap crappy ones and you
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know cash-strapped school of that and
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they're doing very well in management i
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always wonder if Apple cares that much
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about that market or did they just like
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the rest of the many markets that isn't
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too high into that market they just want
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to sell ipads to the rich schools and
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let everyone else have chrome books or
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something but I worry that the value
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proposition represented by Chromebooks
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in the ideal if not in in actuality is
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not falling on deaf ears at Apple but is
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not valued by the people inside Apple as
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much as it should be because talk about
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future of computing many of the aspects
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promised by Chromebooks and many of them
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delivered by Chromebooks definitely feel
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more like the future of computing in
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terms of having to worry less about
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managing the Machine and having to worry
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less about the machine itself because in
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in a network connected world
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yes you can work offline but it would be
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great if the source of truth with some
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place fast and reliable that is not
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sitting in front of you
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well this is part of what last last week
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we were talking about that that rumored
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slashdot comment lockdown
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next-generation our mac
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even though again disclaim already that
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was very unlikely to be true
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however one thing I forgot to mention
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during my rant about how good that might
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be is that that might address the
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Chromebook market pretty well to like
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that wouldn't have to be a high-end
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hardware device that could run on ipad
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class hardware and be passable and so
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they they could if Apple wanted to
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address this market which you as you
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pointed out they might not want to
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although i think it's aight i'm with you
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i think they they should address it if
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they reasonably can which is not save
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definitely yes or no but I think if they
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if they reasonably can address that i
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think they should because having mass
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numbers of students growing up using all
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google services on all google computers
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is probably not good for Apple long-term
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but that being said if Apple could take
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that kind of next-gen mac on arm concept
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and make a very low and hardware device
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that was basically like you know mid
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generation ipad level hardware like
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suppose that is two years away they
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could take two days like ipad air 2
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hardware sell it in two years in this
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little like you know macbook one size
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case for 400 bucks maybe I mean like it
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that could actually get them get them a
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lot of the way there and that and that
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and that OS is additional lockdown miss
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and easy management an easy secured and
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everything would all help in that regard
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to so i think that one that one of the
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things that that made me consider that
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that comment as possibly interesting and
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possibly plausible is that Apple has to
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be feeling there they have to be feeling
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like to hurt a little bit from the
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massive success of Chromebooks and
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schools they have to be feeling that on
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some level whether they choose your
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dress yet is another question but I
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think if they're going to address it
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that hypothetical lockdown are Mac would
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be a really nice way to address it
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because obviously they can try pushing
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iPads they have as much as they want and
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they have gotten decent numbers of ipads
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sold into schools but there's a reason
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why those Chromebooks keep selling so
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well and and a big reason is price no
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question and it's you know again it's
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question whether Apple is is willing to
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or should compete
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on price to that level but also a big a
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big reason for that is that a lot of
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schools and students do prefer working
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on some kind of laptop shaped device
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with a laptop keyboard instead like it
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yes you can put keyboards and iPads but
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we all know from trying that like that's
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not really what they're great at that's
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not really but they're designed for and
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if you're trying to manage a fleet of
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student devices the last thing you want
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is detachable expensive accessories you
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know you wanted to be one integrated
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unit you can manage the one in the
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ground unit so that actually might be
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part of their strategy to combat
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Chromebooks long-term and if it isn't I
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think it might be worth considering
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whether it should so this is yet another
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time we have to bring up that one of the
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big advantages google has in terms of
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management is the fact they do do
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everything server side and that is
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google strength and historically has not
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robust cloud services with the source of
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truth is in the cloud not on the device
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in the same way you know it doesn't
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necessarily have to be web-based tools
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like Google Docs up which by the way is
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an extensive use in schools i'm using it
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work now too and we mentioned before we
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use it for our show notes it's it's the
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point where like I'm waiting for it to
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unseat microsoft word the entire
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corporate world i know that's going to
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take so freaking long but o among
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certain wings of large corporations it
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is possible to do this place word and
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everybody is happier and seeing my kids
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do everything google access like Marco
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Verratti view if you grew up doing that
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you just like a word-processing equals
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google docs and his google docs work you
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need servers the service needs to be
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reliable they need to be fast need to be
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always up things not lose data google is
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really good at that Apple is not as good
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at it so that's one weakness Apple
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hasn't in doing that and the other
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reason I think Apple should be thinking
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about this market where Chromebooks are
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giving them a run for their money with
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iPads and everything is like it is a
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demanding environment public schools
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with a bunch of kids messing with your
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stuff is demanding physically speaking
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is demanding from a management
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perspective because you have a lot of
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devices you have people managing them
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who perhaps are not
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the most technically savvy because
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be like IT managers right so the easier
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it is to manage the better but in like
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making a device that is successful in
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user's house who buys the thing and post
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brutal but in the same way that cock so
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turn a regular can opener but here we
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mobility of strength problems people who
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problems also love them because they're
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just better tools they give you better
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mechanical advantage they work more
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smoothly so if you make something for an
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environment that is demanding in some
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that you haven't made all this is only a
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nice device for people who have mobility
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problems with their hands know what
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you've made is an amazing can opener so
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if you make a laptop that can survive
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and continue functioning and be
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manageable by teachers and students in a
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public school environment you just
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laptop that you can put into the guys
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house who's going to you know treat it
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like a perfect little baby and always
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liked do everything nice within read
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articles about and all that stuff
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they'll love it too because guess what
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it's just easier to manage it works more
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often there are fewer problems that is
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just a better product all around so I
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would never want to see Apple surrender
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this market if all
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because it acts as a crucible for
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testing the the the durability of every
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part of your product from the harbor to
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the software to the management the whole
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nine yards
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let's talk about a hour elling who
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writes i bought my first mac pro for
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work last year since my job is what
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development and thus I target that the
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the target is obviously linux I chose to
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go case sensitive to avoid trouble as
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much as possible
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I've been burned by windows k Sigma and
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file system in the past
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given how long OS 10 hfs+ being have
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been around i expected that most modern
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software would run on either set up but
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now have learned that both steam and
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adobe creative suite will not run on my
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machine unless every 4matic loops i
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would love to hear your opinion on the
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state of this and who you think is to
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blame for this mess
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John as our file system expert humans
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are to blame as always
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so yeah the case sensitive vs instance
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of HFS plus + hrs before it and MF s I
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believe we're all case-insensitive made
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you could not have two files whose
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filenames different only in
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capitalization and there's a whole bunch
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of unicode normalization rules revolving
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capital lowercase letters you had a file
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name my file all caps you could not have
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a file right next to it in the same
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directory called my file all lowercase
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cause guess what hfs+ does not
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distinguish between those which is
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mostly human factors choice on the
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original mac because regular people
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don't consider those different things
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like find me the file name Jerry no not
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the one with the lowercase J the moment
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the capital j being able to not having
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files a different in case because people
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will type the wrong file names into
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think they didn't save and stuff like
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that so it is an important user
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interface thing but they implanted down
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at the file system level which means not
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only does the interface present in that
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way but you physically can't save files
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to differ on the incase now why would
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anybody want files differently it
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sometimes case it contains information
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if you have acronyms or abbreviations or
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other type of things in your file names
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and they happen to spot words like a ND
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or something and
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happen to have another file name that
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has the lower case because they wanted
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the thing and you know case does have
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meaning in some cases but the most
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important reason that case insensitivity
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the historic multi-decade case in
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sensitivity on the mac is a potentially
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problem is if you ever change your mind
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yoursay actually we've decided for the
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future that's people don't really deal
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with the process and how much anyway say
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on your phones on your iOS devices where
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people don't see the file system we
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don't need that extra complexity because
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it is an extra complexity every time you
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look up a file you have to see if
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there's any variation that van on that
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files case in the same thing for writing
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a file you have to make sure no files
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exist with any variation of that finance
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case and practically speaking lots of
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software made for other platforms likes
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a unique software open source software
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has files that are part of either the
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source code or the actual operation of
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the of the the binaries in practice that
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differently in case and if you can't
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store them on the file system you can
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even like intar you know the source of
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an open-source tool and build it because
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it's got lowercase C files about capital
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C files because someone thought capital
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C was great for c++ you know many
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decades ago and it will either puke or
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just randomly overwrite files and you
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will have things don't build their this
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plenty of open source software that has
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plain old source files and food at sea
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and capital f 00 dot C in the same
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directory that this happens its thing
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and if you can't deal with it at all he
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has to make like disk images or virtual
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machines are all sorts of stuff like
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that but the real whammy is for decades
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and decades the mac has been like this
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and human beings have been writing
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software for the mac and those human
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beings have put file paths in their
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software they've written code that reads
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things from the file system based on
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their path and a surprising amount of
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time those file paths that the software
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is trying to read from the file system
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do not match the case of the files on
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disk and nobody notices when you run it
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on a case-insensitive file system
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because if you were looking for you know
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you know file dot com for the where the
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eff is capital but on the on the file
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system is actually lower case your
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program works fine because it says open
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be filed by comp with the capital after
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this as I here i found it opens lower
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case file that comes and you're good to
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go because that's how the api's work you
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try to run that ok sensitive file system
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and the wheels fall off the wagon all of
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a sudden the thing doesn't work can't
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even start up you know you're using it
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does weird stuff in it doesn't function
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correctly and steam which isn't even
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that long on the mac platform i guess
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it's been a few years now but adobe
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creative suite has deep roots lots of
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complicated software inevitably has some
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part that either assumes case in
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sensitivity as like a foundational
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assumptions of some section of the code
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or accidentally assumes case in
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sensitivity by looking up files based on
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paths that don't match the actual case
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of the files on disk or you know very
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more complicated variations of that
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we're one part of the thing will write a
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file the other thing will read it but
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they won't agree on the case and it's
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just there are so many places where
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things go wrong and this is where the
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conventional wisdom goes that if you
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format your mac as case-sensitive be
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prepared for a whole bunch of your
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software not to work and for your only
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alternative to be to reformat is
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case-insensitive get stopped working you
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might say well why doesn't everyone just
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fix their software
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well it's a chicken egg thing we need to
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fix this offer because nobody runs
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case-sensitive hfs+ on their macs and no
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one's HFS case-sensitive a transponder
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max because now the software works and
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so they're an impasse their iOS devices
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that make a sensitive from day one which
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is a wise choice so there's there are
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not a bunch of iOS developers out there
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writing applications that expect to read
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files with past them at the case could
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guess what they wouldn't work so that's
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great but with a PFS i'm not even sure
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what they're gonna end up doing on the
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mat because the apms is not officially
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released on the maggots only on iOS but
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it one way to solve the chicken egg
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thing and say hey guess what a PFS is
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case-sensitive only I can't imagine them
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doing that because as we can see adobe
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creative suite and steam wouldn't work
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as an obscure applications so yeah so
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sorry bad news you probably have to
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reformat your disk as case insensitive
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to get your software to work again
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inscrutable humans got you again
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it yeah you know by the way is marco was
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like this marker happening mac apps do
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that it's like it's a good thing if you
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write it at an application or any kind
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of song for the mac to find out do you
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have these kind of problems in your
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summer because you'll never know if you
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just run a regular mac all the time but
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you'll be surprised they're lurking i
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probably have them in my stupid blog
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system that I used to publish my blog
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once a year because i've only ever run
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it from a case-insensitive file system
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is probably in that tiny little piece of
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code someplace where i do something
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stupid about case without that's respond
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to this week by eero go to ero calm and
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use promo code ATP at checkout to get
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free expedited shipping Wi-Fi in our
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houses just isn't good enough when you
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only have one router which is the model
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we've been sold on forever no matter how
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many antennas you put on no matter how
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high powered it is there's gonna be dead
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spots and weak spots in most houses or
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apartments we've all been there we all
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have like the one room where the Wi-Fi
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only gets like one little arcade doesn't
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Kickstarter these days John my favorite
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i started using twitter twitter epic
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certainly it was the first thing I ever
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twitter based on their terrible website
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I only signed up for it once
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twitterrific without my car out this
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this is a good thing to do you know if
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it wasn't like truly the first app that
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uses twitter api it was at least the
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first app that anyone ever used that
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uses twitter api and it was by far the
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first app that mattered
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yeah and so it was an iOS app and there
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was a but before that there was a mac
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app i think the backup came first anyway
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yeah so Twitter clients have had a bumpy
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road a couple years back Twitter decided
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that didn't really want third parties to
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make apps and it started this whole
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thing where you can only make apps if
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you have these special tokens and his
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limited number of those the song
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absolute grandfathered in and by the way
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a bunch of new features are rolling out
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can't be used by third-party clients you
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really don't like you third-party
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clients and it's made the market for
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twitter apps very difficult for
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third-party towards very difficult
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Twitter her iOS has continued to be
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updated nevertheless gone through many
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major revisions and if you were to go
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buy it on the app store today which i
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recommend it is a great trap
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I've never I've never waver despite also
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buying many other twitter apps and
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having them installed either left or if
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it's because of its unified timeline
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where it makes everything that has
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happened on Twitter I related to the
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people you follow a single list sorted
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by time mentions tweets direct messages
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your own tweets that go out just all
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ordered by time that's it you know you
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can view them separately if you want but
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i like it just be one big list that's
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the unified timeline anyway the mac
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client on the other hand has not been
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updated in many many years because it
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just hasn't been economically feasible
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to update it because the market for
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third-party Mac Twitter clients is just
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not sustainable anymore
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the market for third-party iOS to the
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clients basically barely sustainably so
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many people use the official app and
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there are still features that you can
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only do in the official app I hate the
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official app even though i have
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installed
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oh it's the warning i don't understand
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how anyone uses it
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it's confusing to people people use
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their twitter and all sorts of different
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ways so I happen to know a some of the
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people who work at icon factory who make
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twitterrific and for many years I have
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been begging them half-jokingly to fix
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whatever the mac which by the way i
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continue to use despite the fact that it
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is slowly crumbling like you know when
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they added the thing where the tweets
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can be longer than you would have
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expected and we would like it doesn't
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count like the mentions that everything
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towards the URLs are mentions towards
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the character camp some some change
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related to the length of of tweets and
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if you don't support like the new longer
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tweet thing what you get from the old
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version of the API is a tweet that is
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truncated and it goes like it like
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towards the end of the tweeters goes dot
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and then has a URL but you can click on
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to read the whole tweet on Twitter
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website that's what long tweets look
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like and twitter for the mac and yet i
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still continue to use that I can't I
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can't do so many things from the mac
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version of the client that I can do from
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the iOS one but I still continue to use
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it because i like it and every other mac
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client that I've tried i dislike
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strongly in some way so I I really
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wished for Twitter its comeback comeback
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but I understood like look you can't you
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know if it's not a viable arc is not
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available market even offered to pay up
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seeing amounts of money
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for whatever put it back in fact I
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believe it was only last week or the
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week before that you said I would pay a
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hundred dollars for updated version of
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terrific for the Mac I've said that many
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times and I may or may not have been
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saying that because i may or may not
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have known about this project a plan but
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anyway now there's a Kickstarter like
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everything thing that we've joked about
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for so many years like how much money
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would it take to fund the number of
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developers who need to make this
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application let's just do a Kickstarter
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and if enough people want Twitter her
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for the mac they will find this thing
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and they will make this application like
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it's it's an easy way to know that yes
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you will have the money to pay for the
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development of this project because you
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get the money upfront ish in exchange
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for the application so i'm not i have
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back to this kickstarter I'm not going
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to tell you how much money i pledge but
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it was a lot of it they are the goal is
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75,000 but i want you all to ignore that
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because the real goal is a hundred
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thousand to stretch the so-called
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stretch goal because the stretch goal
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includes all the features that i want
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including fairly essential things like
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direct messaging so I really want this
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kickstarter to get 200,000 if it doesn't
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it will just be proving what i can
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factor has been saying all along is
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there's just not enough people who want
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this who are going to pay for it even
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though some of us are paying very much
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more than five dollars for the privilege
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of having this application so you may
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not like using Twitter on the mac period
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because many people just don't use it on
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the mac at all maybe use the website or
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whatever but if you are using an
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existing Mac twitter client and don't
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like it or it seems like it hasn't been
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updated my electorate herd for the mac
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or it doesn't work the way you want it
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to this is an opportunity to get a shiny
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new twitter client from a company that
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really knows how to make Twitter clients
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44 only as much money as you can
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possibly afford so please PLEASE back
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this is up to 35 thousand dollars now
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and has been open
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it's got 28 days to go and it's 35
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thousand dollars out of a goal of not 75
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north at go a hundred
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please everybody make this happen
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because i want this to the client but if
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we don't make it happen does that mean
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we will finally break you of your
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ridiculous insistence on the unified
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timeline i know i will never gonna use
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whatever the magnet until it doesn't
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launch anymore after that I'm gonna I'm
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gonna beg my friends and i can factor to
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give me a special building does blanch
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em I'm just giving you a hard time no I
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i know some of the folks from the icon
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factory we all do actually and they're
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great people so definitely check out
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this kickstarter and throw a few dollars
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if you can because it would make John
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happy it would make the folks at icon
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factory happy and they're good people
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and you could swag have t-shirts they
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have little you know vinyl Holly dolly
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is their little blue Twitter bird you
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should be some history i think i can
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factor website link to it the history
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between icon factory and Twitter many of
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the things that you associate with
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Twitter were in fact invented by icon
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factory terminology iconography so much
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icon factory is like practically part of
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Twitter only non financial sense because
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they do not have thousands of employees
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and billions of dollars of investment
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didn't Hockenberry come up with tweet
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sent him knows co-worker that right i
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think so sorry that you have to get the
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details when I like oh my you tried like
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yeah the I believe they were the first
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ones to actually use a bird as part of
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the logo that you at the word we
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they might even invented at replies I
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don't know it's they did a lot like a
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lot a lot of of Twitter like standard
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things and practices and mechanisms and
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everything were invented by icon factory
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or by there by like their developers for
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their apps and Ollie the blue
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twitterrific bird is along with the with
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panik's transmit truck one of the most
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ripped off i constantly entire internet
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you see everywhere like that's just a
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generic representation of Twitter that
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Twitter's logo nope nope not not twitter
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logo at all in fact or logos worse than
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I contractors like they should have paid
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them to make their logos for them but
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they didn't cool well good luck
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here's here's why you shall pledge money
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so a this is great software supported by
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great people doing great things great be
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widespread twitter client and see if
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investment he has made and so please
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the money that I want to spend on a mac
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see what we have here at planet of the
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oh god what can we start with before we
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start talking about this show can we
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start with the I someone maybe we have a
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lawyer and I'm how can they get away
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with calling it planet of the apps when
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there any that is it doesn't fall under
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the cat the like parody we're like it's
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referencing thing a thing but in a
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joking way so it is almost like trade
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dress like I don't know I don't know the
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the the legal things about that just
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away with planet of the apps without
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paying somebody who has the right to
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someone tell me what the deal is
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yeah i mean three things like a we
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have paid someone to license it can see
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it and if anybody threaten them and they
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being apple and exactly the top of a
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mountain of cash so high you can't even
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hear the people yelling at you
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exactly like it's probably we will buy
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the planet of the apes franchise from
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universal over the hell owns it but you
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know when we sneeze the money falls out
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of our pockets
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yeah exactly like it's probably I mean
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it you know as as amateurs hear it does
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kind of seem like it might be considered
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like generic enough or
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clearly clear enough parody or satire
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that it might not be a clear-cut case of
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actual infringement humor the camera
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angle is the strongest one but I'm right
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that funny
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no it's not apples not good at being
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funny and I was like how bad is your
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plan have to be before it stops being
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humor I i think what one thing that you
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very clear difference between apple now
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cool person like not and and not in all
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ways and and he knew the ways in which
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she wasn't cool to kind of kind of
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played off of them but he was
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anybody at apple now is cool at least in
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the senior leadership but i'm not sure
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they know that it actually kind of seems
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like they don't know that and are
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actually under the opposite impression
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see fed is cool come on
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what does not know bc Fed is is he is
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like the dad joke but he knows that and
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he plays that so he actually doesn't
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have a pretty good job of managing but
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he's not much in the public eye I i get
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profoundly deeply uncool but is under
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the opposite impression he doesn't think
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he's cool yeah i agree he's he's just
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he's comfortable zone skin you think of
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any cute whooping well no yeah yeah he's
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a whole different level but uh but yeah
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apple today is run by a bunch of
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middle-aged white men and it seems like
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he that is showing a lot recently and
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it's unfortunate and that isn't to say
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that they can still make good stuff but
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little odd you know in in context anyway
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back to get off the name though
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but yes just to defend or the opposite
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to condemn Steve Jobs coolness remember
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that he wanted to call the imac mac
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man move we all have bad days remember
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that talked out of it by advertising
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executives macman I believe them
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my memory is correct that someone Google
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and correct me if I'm screwing up but
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thank goodness for imac yeah
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to be fair that was a long time ago I
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know but it's just like the name and
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tastes like it Steve wasn't as cool back
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as cool 1998 I'm acting but anyway
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alright so there was a trailer for apple
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show so the Apple music TV show and it's
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a little weird like music television
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yeah thanks you too there so it's called
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planet of the apps i only saw the
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trailer once it's like two and a half
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minutes so it at this point if you
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listen to the show feel free to pause
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and watch it
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meant for the three of us and that's
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okay i can move itself that's not a bad
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the idea is I if I understand this right
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a bunch of app developers or potential
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app developers come in and do an
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escalator pitch so they are on an
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escalator and as the escalators moving
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down they have like 60 seconds to make a
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pitch to will I am one of paltrow
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jessica alba and gary vaynerchuk who I
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guess at that point get to choose if
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they want to tutor any of these teams
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and then I guess there's a competition
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at the end and if you win
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among other things you get special
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placement in the app store which most
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people would probably give an appendage
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to get wait so you can i first started
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out with the escalator pitch thing
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pitched Avicii I've been around vc's
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with a lot of pieces but never actually
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pitched to one that was always done by
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david and other people who are around me
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concept of the elevator pitch where the
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idea is you're in an elevator with the
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VC only have like until that you only
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like they'll be arrived
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to pitch them on your idea and then you
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gotta convince them in a short amount of
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time it's supposed to be like a man or
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something like that
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however how did this come about because
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buildings
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that many elevators there to begin with
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and the ones that are there are probably
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going over like three floors the
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elevator right they are lazy people and
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have elevators in two-story buildings
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but it but still it's not like a
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one-minute pitches like an eight second
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pitch like that where where did this
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idea come about
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maybe in New York taller buildings but
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silicon valley of money has always been
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west coast vc's there there are very
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very few new york vc's that actually fun
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Silicon Valley or tech project I think
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elevator pitch pretty silicon valley but
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going back into steve jobs again
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remember the story about being trapped
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in an elevator with steve jobs and he
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has enough time to fire you in there so
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it for you to say the wrong thing for
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him to decide that you're fired and he
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was remarkably efficient but wow anyone
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everything that I think elevator pitch
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predates silicon valley but if not like
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it's metaphorical more than it is actual
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but you but you got to the heart of the
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idea is that if you have to sum up your
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idea in a short amount of time you
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should be able to say something that's
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compelling instead of like just rambling
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on for 20 minutes and people not knowing
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what you're selling
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you need to have an elevator pitch and
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people in the end the the chat room or
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like don't you mean we said escalator
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pitch do you must speak to you mean
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elevator pitch no that's left planet of
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the apps get it apps instead of apes you
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think that would be an elevator pitch
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but you see what we did there someone
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who we all know would say they took it
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and they turned it it's not an elevator
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it's an escalator between makes even
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less sense because we're you to a cost
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somebody on an escalator that would be
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super weird because you wouldn't even be
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facing them you'll be there above them
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are below them and the second thing is
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an escalator riding lesson time then an
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elevator ride so it is it is
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ill-conceived in every possible way
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except for one and that one way is is
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that an idea that fits in with the
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reality show answer yes well and it's
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easier to film an escalator moving
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towards the host then it are the the the
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dc's whatever then it is an elevator
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moving up from the basement and I guess
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the the four like sponsors host
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whateverrr looking at a video feed until
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they arrive until the the purchase
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it's arrived like it's this weird anyway
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the name elevator pitch reflects the
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idea that it should be possible to
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deliver the summary in the summer time
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span of an elevator ride or
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approximately 30 seconds to 2 minutes
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and is widely credited to Eileen Rossen
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swag and Michael Caruso while he was an
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editor for Vanity Fair for its word
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origins so presumably this well predate
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Silicon Valley so Believe It or Not
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Silicon Valley the world did not always
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running around you
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truth be told CSO this this show so I me
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I don't intrinsically have anything
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against reality shows in fact i watch
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some truly and utterly atrociously
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terrible reality shows not often
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competitions but be that as it may I
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have watched season of american idol in
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the past so I i have seen my fair share
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of reality shows i've seen the voice
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many times I want a reality show friend
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yeah right exactly this this show does
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not speak to me at all and i find it to
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be fairly preposterous but I don't
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necessarily think that's a bad thing
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because i don't think the show is really
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for me because it's to my know too much
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about how the sausage is made and this
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is not a show about how sausages made
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despite how their pitching it's a show
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everyone thinks we invented it but it
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geeks a beauty and the geek like it was
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yeah and like as a geek watching that
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your you could you see what you saw all
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the ridiculous holes in the show but it
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garbage TV show and this could probably
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businesses this might be that kind of do
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it might be a fun garbage watch it's
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there's a lot of arguments against it
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development in a bad light or it's going
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to distort people's view and apps and i
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on some level but not a big deal and in
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reality and all likelihood like they're
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not going to be enough of an effect on
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anything to really matter because
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chances are this is going to go
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not very far it's going to be watched by
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not that many people and it's going to
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make not that big of a cultural impact
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of any sort
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so it's probably going to be fun garbage
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TV for some people to watch
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everywhere and it's only an apple music
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a lot of people are going to have
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trouble ever even knowing it exists as a
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result those people who do it exists are
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gonna have trouble finding it so that's
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all going to hurt viewership probably
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but anyway you know the actual show
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itself you know it's it's it's a garbage
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reality TV show the host of it are have
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reality of a building
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show i'm most interested to to see I i
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I've followed his work back in the day I
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met him a couple times he's super nice
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he is the real deal he knows what he's
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talking about not necessarily an app
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development as far as i know but you
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know he's more like a business
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consultant but that's what i wanted to
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get to though is that
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that's kind of more with the show is
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about like it's called planet of the
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apps and its focus on apps because
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apples funding it and making it and
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promoting it so the Apple wanted to be
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all about them and the world they think
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they created so of course they're
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focusing the marketing and the naming
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everything else on apps and all the app
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developers are saying this is crazy
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because this isn't how apps are made but
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the show really isn't about apps it's
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like if the show was called planet of
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the websites and you know it's like the
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website is like an interface to the
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business and you eat you don't go around
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saying hey I'm making the new website
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like no you may dig 1993 lemme tellya
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well yeah but the point is like for the
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for the types of things that most people
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long shade that would be entertaining to
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watch at all no one's gonna watch a show
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about you making a bespoke note-taking
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app or something like that like they're
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gonna watch a show that's kinda like
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shark tank or america's got talent or
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stuff like that that's what people
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actually want to watch this garbage
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reality shows for and so they want to
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hear like the big business idea because
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this is a show i I'm a tweet about this
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is kind of like a show for the idea
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people those people who was a cost
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app-developers at-bat got at gathering
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stuff like I had this great idea for an
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app i will you not tell me about you you
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can't steal it you do 50 with me I'll be
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the idea guy you you make the appt ok
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here's my idea and they tell you some
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ridiculous idea that is usually
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impossible and/or terrible this show is
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for those people to watch kind of like
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aspirationally because they think that
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could be them someday that's who this is
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actually for or people i guess you just
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want garbage TV to watch sometimes but
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the point is like this is not going to
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reflect what it's like to be an indie
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app developer because not only do people
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not really want to watch that but most
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app development isn't in the app
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developers most app development is
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in-house employees or contractors for up
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for like bigger businesses that where
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the error is not exactly the app itself
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is not the business
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the app is just an interface to the
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business in the same way that 10 years
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ago the website was the inner
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face to most businesses that were made
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in our in our industry right so we want
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this to be some other things like people
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like this working we wanted to be like
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this beautiful story about app
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developers and it's just not going to be
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that it's gonna be the exact same thing
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that would have been 10 12 years ago
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people pitching vc's about ideas that
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were based on web apps and web services
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at social networks and you know very
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like that's it's gonna just be that but
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where the interface to it happens to be
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an app in the app store it's not gonna
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be great you know academically it's not
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going to be a high quality TV but I
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don't think it's going to meaningfully
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impact the app business or people's
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perception of it for lots of reasons not
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least two books i don't think many
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people watch it but also just as I just
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I don't think it really has much bearing
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on what most of us actually do but i
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also think it doesn't really purport to
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because that doesn't because what most
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of us really do or what we think we want
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to do with India and development is such
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a very very tiny sliver of the world out
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of that development as a whole
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thinking back to when we first talked
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about this and we have this you know
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there's so little information like
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apples making a show about app
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development something something and then
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if you like celebrity names attached to
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it and we had that brief moment where we
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could talk about the possibility of this
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being a show that is actually about app
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development and I think the time we said
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how can that they can't make that
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interesting does not want to see someone
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sitting there encoding like that's not
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going to be on the show right but still
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we were we were entertaining the idea of
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a show about app development but of
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course like when the show comes out it's
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not about app development as Mark
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pointed out is it is basically like a
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subset of shark tank imagine shark tank
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except the only thing you can pitch our
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businesses represented by an application
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you're writing your own bad pitch right
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that's what it is
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okay I have this great idea for a show
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are you ready i'll be the idea guy you
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make the entire show okay it's like
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shark tank but for apps
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yeah but all but only but only apps like
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if you see if your business can isn't
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like Rep like Instagram would be
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business represented by napisal sorts of
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things would be like is the appt the
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sort of standard bearer for your
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business
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is that how people deal with your
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business is it through a nap then you're
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fine but if you have any other business
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no sorry got to go on shark tank right
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so it's a narrow slice thing and
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presumably Apple does this because
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they're the app company and so there's
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some kind of synergy there but this
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brings up a a tweet that uh our friend
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cable SAS or panic
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posted today yesterday I forget it was
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arguing with grouper about something in
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you and his reply was you can't just say
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well that's route reality TV
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he's he's using well that's reality TV
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as a verb so I'm going to try to read
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this in the way that it says you can't
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quote well that's reality TV a thing
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from Apple does that sentence makes
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sense to people that's what he wrote I'm
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trying real hard here on an actor it's
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from Apple the experts of good taste now
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get a free pass for junk like the ideas
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you can't just always reality or
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whatever because it's more apple we have
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some expectations of taste which would
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you know get it
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planet of the apps and perhaps not
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getting off on the right foot right from
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the title when I saw the sweet i was
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thinkin like we talked two passions
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about Apple getting into the content
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market and i still think that makes
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sense because if they are going to try
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to compete with the netflix in there an
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amazon and stuff and netflix and amazon
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are doing original content apple should
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be doing original content to but the
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thing about content is if you're doing
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original content well not saying you
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can't but probably you shouldn't imbue
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that content with any of the
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sensibilities from your company which
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sounds like was not an apple whole thing
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is everything they do imbued with the
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sensibility of Apple but content is
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different there is nothing particularly
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about stranger things are man in the
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high castle that makes me think Netflix
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or Amazon like there's no one of their
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corporate DNA and those shows creative
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content especially entertainment has to
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be true to its genre so it's a sci-fi
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show make a good sci-fi show if it is a
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family drama make a good family drama if
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it's a wacky comedy make a good webcam
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it doesn't matter how well wacky comedy
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family drama sci fi fit with your
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corporate branding and it's weird
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because Amazon and Netflix and Apple are
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these tech based companies that do
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fairly different things with some over
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app but none of them having to do with
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creativity but I think netflix amazon
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has shown if you get the right people
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involved basically like what is being
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reality shows like and can you make a
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shows as a long time for your reality
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trailer you go that's a reality show
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reality show and I think it could be a
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good reality show if done well because
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it involves people with the skill and an
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ambition and a dream or whatever and
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they are going to you know in all these
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scenarios where you have the panel of
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experts to pick them on them that can be
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very bad or it can be good where they're
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business ideas and in the end unlike for
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example american idol in the end there
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people into Superstars I'm even know
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career a because the people picking her
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are going to pick people based on talent
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recording industry which is way more
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monolithic and actually back then had
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even more power than it does today to
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make you a star
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uh because they control distribution and
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so it's always much less so than they
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used to in the old days but still it was
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a think but for this for the app show i
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don't particularly trust that the four
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people on the expert panel have any idea
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what is going to be a successful app
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beyond like any for random people that
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you picked in the tech industry and
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furthermore i don't particularly think
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that even Apple itself by featuring you
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in the app store and heavily pushing you
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is going to turn your idea into a viable
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business for the long term but I think
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none of that matters for reality shows
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because at this point we are perfectly
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show is its own reward and whatever they
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promised you know yeah you'll be rich
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and famous river or forget you by next
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season because that's not what it's
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about is an entertainment program and
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you want and like that can be done badly
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and explosively or could be done in a
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way that people enjoy where you get to
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see plain old human drama and people
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with skills trying to apply those skills
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and challenging situation hopefully the
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judges and the sponsors are supportive
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and encouraging and it is a positive
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type of program with good production
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values that treats its intestines well
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that has smart funny and interesting and
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charming judges i believe a good reality
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show as possible i don't know whether
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this will be one but i think the fact
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that this reality show involves apps is
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a distraction and a thing that skews
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people's thinking about it but i guess
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the only thing you really debated is
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should the first major piece of original
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content that Apple made not counting
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carpool karaoke was resisting franchise
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should be a reality show
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maybe maybe not but again i don't think
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it by judging based on that you could
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say you shouldn't be trying to figure
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out how well does reality show fit with
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apples evils that's not the question at
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all questions are reality shows popular
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yes they are popular so if if you were
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picking genre and it's also different
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than other people there now
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doing a sci-fi ray retro sci-fi show or
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a show based on you know
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scifi books from well-known author write
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that that has been well-trod territory
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they're doing a reality show is their
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first thing which is a little bit
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a reasonable choice and at some point
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energy if we do and perhaps but i'm
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certainly won't watch him and I'm not
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interested in that I don't watch shark
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tank either all the benefit of the doubt
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about content i hope it doesn't only do
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reality shows because there's no reason
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that for that to happen apple because
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that it's over this is a distraction in
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refrigerator size box
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yes no I have seen that actually I don't
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detect right that's it
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anyway the title that movie is PR imer
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and the person who made that movie i
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initially expected people and prefer
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people to pronounce it primer know but
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eventually gave up because everybody
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everybody who saw that word pronounced
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the primer which is an alternate
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translation of that word with a
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different meaning and so the creator of
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the movie had to cover and protect curry
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same situation i believe the original
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logo had a bar over the e to try to tell
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you with a long e stay strategery right
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now is correct but that didn't work and
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the public has spoken and now the
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creator of that site says trajectory
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truth sorry Ben Thompson anyway I've
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known as well so tell me about God lot
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of people were tweeting this with the
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idea this is the omnivorous box that I
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talked about on hypercritical and
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earlier on
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earlier episodes of ATP it's such an all
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idea from like 2011 over the
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hypocritical was goes back when I was
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complaining a lot about tivo and what I
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wanted was someone to make a box
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it would be nice if it was apple that
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sat on my TV and had a whole bunch of
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inputs took video from all the places
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that I pay for stuff back in two
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thousand and was like hey I pay for
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cable and also pay for netflix and i
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also have a you know a blu-ray player or
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Playstation you know all these different
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places that i can get video into my TV i
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would like all those inputs to go into
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this thing that I called an omnivorous
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box because it would assume anything and
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then I wanted one cable coming out of
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India I'm not nervous box into my
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television and one remote that controls
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the omniverse box and I would be able to
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through a single interface have access
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to all the video that i pay for to pay
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for cable subscription cables TV shows
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they come on my tivo record them i want
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access to all the shows both live and
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recorded i pay for netflix and that you
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know there's a netflix client either on
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my television or on their neighbors box
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yourself or on apple TV or something i
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want to be able to see that stuff i have
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a plaque server running and that's you
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know or ps3 media server back then and
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that has the complaint files from a hard
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drive somewhere in my basement want to
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watch that kind as well I wanted to be
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one big unified interface so when I look
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through the show's available for me to
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watch it does not express to me in any
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way where this stuff comes from it's
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just like yes this video comes from many
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different sources but I give you a
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unified interface to it's just a series
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of things that you can watch things that
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might come on the future things that
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haven't come on come on the past things
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you can stream right now just one big
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continuous clean interface and that is a
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super hard problem to solve because all
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those people who distribute that content
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cable companies netflix even like the
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ps3 media server people do not want you
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to make that box they want you to use
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their box and their remote and all that
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other stuff especially cable companies
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that making that box is would be
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finished difficult many companies try
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google gave probably the best run but
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it's absurd cool TV thing with the crazy
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remote remember that
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yep it was like to Google TV's ago I
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forget which link yeah
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I was remember that was one of the irish
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myths that was gonna be on every TV
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no that was the second one this one
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before that yeah anyway it's a really
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hard problem both technically because
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how would you even solve the technical
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problem and business-wise because
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everybody who's injured whose input is
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going into your nervous box does not
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want people to get their content through
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your neighbors box and they will fight
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you on it like they will make it so your
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box stops working on purpose because
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they don't want you to be the middleman
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it's like no they don't want that at all
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and so no one ever did make that box
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tivo came the closest because tivo get
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takes the cable input because of cable
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card which is the thing that happened
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when there was a brief moment of semi
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sanity and our lovemaking institutions
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in this country that allowed third-party
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products to accept cable signals with
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some caveats so that's why I can even
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use acute a tivo and why don't have to
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have a cable box so we could get cable
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television and record that and then
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eventually tivo added some fairly grim
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streaming video clients their platform
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so you can watch netflix your tivo &
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amazon through your TiVo and all and
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because the plex client i forget anyway
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not quite omnivorous because you can
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watch itunes coming through there and
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you can't watch my blu-ray player
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through there and you know all sorts of
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stuff like that so I'm never spoke never
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came to be enter cabo with 2 a's and no
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bar over any of them
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this is a set-top box that takes a whole
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bunch of hdmi inputs and has one output
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and it tries to do something like what i
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described that you have one convo remote
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he used that remote and with it you can
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see all the video that is available on
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all the different devices that are
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plugged into it and you can watch video
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friend of them any of them I it is not i
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think really an omnivorous box because
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one of my requirements from nervous
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boxes that provides one interface it
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doesn't make you have to be aware of
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where stuff comes from and one of combos
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primary interfaces is a series of boxes
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that say roku ps4 Amazon Apple TV Direct
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TV like when I first saw it I thought
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this is a glorified hdmi switcher it's
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like great all you're basically my
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things go into one box and add that box
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it connects your television
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and then when you turn on with the one
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remote you can pick which thing you want
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to do and then you just get the
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interface that thing that's not quite
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how it works will link in the show notes
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to this video from the verge which is
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very long kind of boring but just scrub
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through until you soon start actually
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using the device of the creators of this
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thing talking to her talking to walt
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mossberg highly recognized because of
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his silly beard and someone else and
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they give demos of the product and it
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tries to do more than that it tries to
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give you an interface to all the things
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that are available on all the devices
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it's not particularly pretty to look at
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but it will try to say hey here is the
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show is available for you to watch
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without expressing to where they are
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from it it has amazon echo integrations
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they keep doing this demo of like you
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know watch stranger things and you have
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like a preference list of like when I
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say watch stranger things and you
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determine the stranger things that shows
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on netflix and i have three boxes
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connected that can all do netflix I I
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want you to prefer to use the apple TV
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for netflix for whatever reason so we'll
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start playing stranger things from
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netflix through the apple TV if you say
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watching my castle it will determine
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that that is only on amazon and you have
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an amazon streaming thing connected
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somewhere and so it will start playing
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it from that for you so the voice
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control interfaces like you know one
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level up from what each of these devices
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do individually same thing with the
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remote remote you're controlling the
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combobox the combo box is controlling
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the inputs
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I wonder how they're doing the unified
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interface it doesn't look that great
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it's mostly just text it's not a
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particularly rich interface if you were
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to go to the interface to any of these
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boxes or services it would look better
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and have nice pictures and more metadata
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and stuff but at least at least they're
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trying i think this box faces the same
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challenges as a real omnivorous boxwood
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and that the companies that they are
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sort of trying to insert themselves
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between you know the customer and these
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other boxes those boxes aren't going to
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like that and if they don't
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intentionally break them they will
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accidentally break them especially if
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their means of control involves I mean
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like are they doing screen scraping are
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they trying to use API is documented or
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otherwise how are they even doing this
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they have separate metadata somewhere
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that's like in the cloud so it's not
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actually
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looking at the content or the hdmi think
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so i don't know i don't know how they're
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doing it it doesn't look that impressive
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but at least they're giving it up it you
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know giving it the old college try the
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most interesting thing about this demo
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are the things that are probably the
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least technically cool in that you know
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what calling as a glorified hdmi switch
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is kind of mean but calling a glorified
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receiver less less mean but if you if
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you have a receiver or any other box it
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takes a whole bunch of hdmi inputs and
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one output your television you know that
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strangely one of the challenges is aside
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from having a million different modes
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and having to switch inputs that's
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that's cumbersome so one of the demos
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they give is what if someone comes over
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your house and they don't know how to
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use the 17 remotes that are on your end
[TS]
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table right or even the one logitech
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harmony remote that you have because
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that is generally complicated an example
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they gave the demos like what if someone
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comes out of your house and they see you
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have a playstation 4 BC the controller
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sitting on the end table and they just
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pick up the PlayStation control off the
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end table
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nothing is you know you just come into
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the room nothing is turned on and just
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pick up the PlayStation controller and
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turn it on any reasonably good receive
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your should be able to notice that hey I
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was sitting here and everything is off
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but i noticed that the PlayStation came
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on and started sending video output so i
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am going to see some other thing that
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supposed to work but doesn't turn on
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your television switch the input to the
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you know switch my input as the receiver
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whatever I'm to the ps4 thing and so now
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merely by pressing the PlayStation on
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button on the PlayStation controller
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there it is on your screen
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you don't have to know oh if you want to
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play playstation pick up the receiver
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remote switch the input number two then
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turn on the tivo or then then turn on
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the PlayStation make sure you do it in
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that order
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if you want to hear it through the
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receiver speakers also turn the receiver
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on but if you don't go through the
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television they probably know you don't
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have to know how to do that and then if
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someone comes along and they turn the
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roku on it will notice even the
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Roku but you know to help his capital
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turn the roku
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control it with the roku remote that's
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type of functionality should be in every
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decent receiver and probably isn't a lot
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of decent receivers but to me that was
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the most impressive because it's like
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yes that's how r receiver should work
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a box so I i start off thinking this is
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a glorified hdmi switcher receiver and i
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ended up thinking this is a really good
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hdmi switcher / receiver now but not the
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bad news the bad news is it's four
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hundred dollars
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alright and this forty dollars does not
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include any of the boxes that you
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connect to it which doesnt a problem
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because i already have a million TV
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boxes but like the ideas you buy this
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box you and it's like you get nothing
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it's like it's like buying a technology
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with the discs in it's like yeah it's
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there it's ready for you to plug things
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into but it's no good to you until you
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plug-in puts into it so four hundred
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dollars and then hundred dollars for
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every box depending on what am I guess
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the apple ones are expensive you know
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sixty dollars for chromecast six dollars
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for cheap recall roku hundred dollars
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for a good one whatever but if you
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already have all those boxes and maybe
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if you don't have a receiver
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oh and also it's pretty big and it's
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weird it would and it's probably not
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going to be available to consumers until
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2018 so always caveat besides all the
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it's great yeah that they're gonna sell
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5,000 sometime this year you can pick
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three different kinds of wood three
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different kinds of ugly would be on top
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of it don't now that you told me that I
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man you're really doing a great job of
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selling this to I know yeah I don't
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think this product is really going
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anywhere but I was excited by the idea
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that someone is tackled some of the very
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basic problems of this terrible terrible
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television age we live in where we all
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have way too many pucks or other kinds
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of boxes connected to our televisions
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and very frequently watching any video
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content involved switching inputs and
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possibly also fishing remotes and all
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the solutions that try to make it easier
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are bad in some way including this one
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but in the absence of a true omnivorous
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box which can probably never exist the
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same region open doctor
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we never exist business reasons on top
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of technical reasons equals death
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I i like the fact that someone is trying
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to push the envelope forward and help
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somebody buys this company and
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incorporates they're good ideas into
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their own products like tivo I assume
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now there
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come on come on I just want to stay in
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business they're not by anybody please
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do not waste your money buying these
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well I want to buy them make their apple
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TV better Apple gonna make a box like
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this across the neverwood but like the
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type of the type of functionality of
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just like can we stop people from having
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to do a switch inputs that would be good
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like can't just do what I mean you just
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notice because i turn the PlayStation on
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it probably want to play with
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playstation just switched and put
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automatically nice thanks for three
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to be in because it was accidental
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death was accidental
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John did
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research Marco in kc would let him
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because it was accidentally was
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accidental and you can find the show
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know today p dot and if twitter follow
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s/he yl ISS so that's Casey list and a
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co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC AC
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recuse it
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we have an odd note in the show notes it
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says John's Mac throws some more ram
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with more in parentheses to ya throws in
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there's the failure throws as in it
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ejected it it's a bit like a loogie
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across the room kind of exception
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handling we've talked about this before
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that's why this is this is a second the
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second time this has happened i think
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i'm gonna run of ATP and i think i use
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the same language last time the analogy
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in trying to make here and failing
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obviously is when a horse throws a shoe
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you know that expression
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mhm yeah it you know i was raised in
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ohio where we had lots of horses
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no I what no I don't know what that
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means horse throws a shoe my
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understanding I was not raised with
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horses easier either
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disclaimer disclaimer disclaimer you
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know you tortures you know the little
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metal bendy u-shaped things you put on
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those the body and yeah i know that part
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at least yeah and they're attached
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somehow with like these weird-looking
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spikes or nails or something
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it's scary and I don't understand it
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anyway the horses galloping along those
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little metal u-shaped things are
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supposed to say on the bottom of the
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little feets but sometimes when the
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galloping along one of them goes flying
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off the foot and that's bad because now
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your horses lost a shoe and it needs it
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to walk comfortably where the horses are
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for and it's throwing isn't like it
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could go flying because as the horses
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galloping the shoe goes flying so
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basically wild like doing something
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strenuous like encoding a video your mac
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pro forcefully ejected one of its ram
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sticks from its lot that's what I'm
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hearing or not strenuous as the case may
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be so my mac pro is very old the ramp
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it's also very old is 2008 mac pro now
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it is a good solid eight years old
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pushing up on 9a forget when i bought
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the thing throwing some ram means i have
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86 of ramen there and every once in
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what should stop working and it's like
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my horse threw a shoe my macbook pro
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through some ram so I came in the other
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day and tried to wake my macpro from
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sleep and the fans spin up at the screen
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did not turn on and the power light on
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the front of my macpro was blinking in a
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very concerning way and unlike later Mac
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including even the 2009 but I don't know
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how far they went my mac does not have a
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little set of red leds on the banks of
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dims to tell you which ones are bad
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all I knew is that I had a computer with
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eight games of ram onto daughter cards
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for NH that would not boot it just
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wouldn't post wouldn't do the chime when
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do anything because you know this is bad
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around there and this has happened
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multiple times I think I brought up in
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case he had bad around that I had a WC
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ramen my thing and that despite the fact
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that my computer is so many years old
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every time it throws throws a dim if
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it's a no wc1 that is the problem
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I just call them up and they sent me a
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new one and it would be better if they
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didn't break but after eight years to
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throw the dim and I get a new one for
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I still consider that pretty amazing and
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in the the age of like you know two year
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warranties and hard drives or whatever
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so I had a fun afternoon of unseating
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daughter cards removing dims putting
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them back in every valid configuration
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to by process of elimination find the
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pair of them that they have to be in
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Paris find the match pair of games that
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don't work and even with the parents all
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I can tell you is that one of the two
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doesn't work out or they might both be
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bad so eventually after many many boots
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and and I'm good at this now many many
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sizes of seating and seeing which is
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actually kind of satisfying with little
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clips that have them and everything and
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how you shoved them in eventually did
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find the pair of games that was bad
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they were already see dims and I am they
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are sending the new ones for free
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nice so I'm down I'm down the other two
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gigs or four gigs of ram right now still
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doing okay let's see what I got here 14
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gigs of ram so i should have 18 sigh
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come down for ok dear apple if if you
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are still listening to this somehow for
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some reason please put this computer out
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of its misery
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give John a new mac pro two x so he can
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finally stop using this ancient one
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please attend the terror that fills my
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heart when I think is the time that it
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it's like that is just dead like the
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motherboard is dead you know that it's
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just not going to boot right because
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then I think about like I would have I
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don't have to buy an imac or should I
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just like buy the cheapest laptop i can
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do or what I do with all my data I just
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it's terrifying
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so what you know I was afraid I got down
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to this point where I was like maybe
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just not going to boot because I got it
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down to like just just two dimms you
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know that the 210 configuration of the
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two that i thought were like the newest
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and most reliable ram and it still
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wouldn't boot and the trick i learned
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this time is occasionally also need to
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do an smc reset to make it happy not
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small-time but occasionally because i
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was in one ram configuration and it
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would not boot and then I did an smc
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reset and it did boot with the same ram
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configuration and so once I learned that
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trick that was the easy way to make sure
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i was you know actually testing the
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games and I eventually did narrow down
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and found the two that were bed so I
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look I've gotten my thing in one bank
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I've got two gig to gig for gig for gig
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and the other bank i have one big one
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big empty empty such a motley collection
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of ram some of it Apple somewhat
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purchase from owc in like three
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different shipments that some of it
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replaced over time
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yeah my word Oh kill this machine though
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takes a lickin and keeps on ticking ok
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please Apple please just let John
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replace this please
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well it was like it's going to show up
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slower than the apple watch but I'm
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again yeah exactly like by the time the
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new by the time the new Mac Pro comes
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out if it ever does your mac pro is
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probably going to be slower than every
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mac for sale at that time
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oh I'm iOS devices i think that the
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iphone is already faster but it isn't i
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believe at least is single threaded pass
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that I think two generations ago
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multi-threaded I think it still hasn't
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but it's close
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yes i'm saying i'm gonna watch for those
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four the watch to start lapping me
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yeah i mean at least if you limit just a
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single performance it would
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you're really looking bad compared to
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all the iOS device but I had more ran
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the iOS devices and have a one terabyte
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of flash storage so take that iOS yeah
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but they're am works all the time who 64
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well you don't know that until you use
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it for eight years of the ram doing on
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that iphone after eight years after
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eight years that thing won't even turn
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on it's not plugged in
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yeah I'm sorry to hear that someone
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who's lived through ram problems
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recently that is no fun and i feel you
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see how much quicker i diagnosed and
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dealt with it rather than the rather
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than like pretending it doesn't exist i
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guess you can pretend business when your
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machine doesn't boot but addressed
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immediately
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problem solved and also that like
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audience he wasn't open like their phone
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line wasn't going to just call them and
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deal with the nice people there and just
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read them I serial numbers and they're
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like okay well Senor ramp I did it
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through chat which it worked fine like
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is their phone lines were nothing but
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the chat was but chat i find infuriating
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a customer support chat because I don't
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know why take so long for there to be a
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response because like hello my name is
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blah blah how can I help you and then i
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pasted in my prepared sense of what my
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problem is that is formatted in a way
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formatted in a way that I notice will be
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no follow-up questions that contains all
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the information appears here is the
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problem
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here's why I think this is helping how
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long does it take you to compose that
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sense three days i can do it on the fly
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was it's very easy very concise right
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but it contains all the information
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right but here's here's my problem
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here's why I know it's my problem
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putting enough information to let them
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know they don't need to take me through
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troubleshooting steps and crap right and
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here's what I want to happen i want you
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to send me new ramp right like it in a
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nice way but like all the information is
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there and then you wait literally 10
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minutes for the reply and the reply is
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can you give me the order number serial
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number of our blog which of course i
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have ready for them but I didn't want to
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confuse them within the original message
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and paste that in but by 10 more minutes
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ten more minutes of that chat window
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just off the side to the credit of the
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chat thing in WC it has like a child let
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you know in their reply because you
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can't be sitting there waiting like
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there's not even a typing indicator like
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just just 10 minutes like they just
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chatting with their friends that they go
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for a coffee break
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they're surely not spending this time
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typing especially for the first message
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there was no things and looking up in
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the system of the system is slow we're
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looking at the order they didn't even
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have my order number at that point I
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just told them what the situation is bad
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ram want new ram here's how I know it's
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don't ask me to blow the dust out of my
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socket basically like you know 10-minute
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replying that and then so it just took
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it an incredible amount of time but
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during that time I was like present ever
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we didn't bring Twitter while waiting
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while waiting for them to reply
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sometimes I forgot that I was still in
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the middle of the chat like you know
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it's long when you forgotten like a
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little boot goes off like oh that's
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right I my customers a partnership to
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get new ram so hopefully that will be on
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the way soon i'm surprised at this point
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you don't just call them up on the phone
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and just be like hey it's me again
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they're like all right how big to big
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good to all right just send it out yeah
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i mean like if they feel they have his
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lifetime or maybe they'll don't know
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don't realize you by random odbc like if
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it goes bad they'll just keep replacing
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it forever like I think that's how it
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works like you do have to pay to ship
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your old room back to them but that's
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cheap it's very lightweight right so
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it's a couple bucks to ship over and
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that is why by the way I saved the boxes
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I never throw out the boxes the new ram
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comes in
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I just you know i'll just keep going to
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keep getting ram forever for this
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machine and it's fine with me write it
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and I think it's like every every two or
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three years that throws a dim and you
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know I'm okay with that
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it's like cases a BMW every once in a
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while you know 6,000 miles the water
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pump to go like okay so it would be like
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after two years you just lost two cpus
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well the CPUC that's what I'm always
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afraid I mean ram like I could just say
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I'm always afraid that the slots are
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gonna go bad like that but even if that
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did I can get by with 14 gigs ram
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instead of 18 like I'm okay I've had
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such a motley collection of rams machine
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like weird amounts and weird
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combinations is but as long as on as
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long as I'm in the team's I'm okay for
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what I do with this neck
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it's just I'm trying to predict like it
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during which year will you stop using
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this mac with it when it dies that will
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stop me right so it actually dies what
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am I going to do but if it doesn't dive
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my current plan is look this is the year
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way to wwc there's still no mac pro for
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it's an iMac pro either way like it was
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a macpro maybe maybe not but if there is
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no mac pro then I'm getting an imac and
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if there's an imac pro I'm getting an
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imac pro so my wife's want to just get
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an imac now it's like I'm resigned to
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the fact that i'm going to buy something
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that looks for all the world like a 5pm
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I can pretty much okay without having
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used her as a lot of whatever they're
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not going to make it active anymore
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what the hell can I do the next best
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thing is the 5k I'll be okay with it but
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i'm not going to buy and now i have to
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wait to see it w see what the thing is
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is there going to be another
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Mac Pro is there going to be a special
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imac for pros either called I mac pro or
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not that's when I make my buying
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decision but the thing of it is is you
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had a new mac pro what was it 15 years
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ago now when when the trashcan came out
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you had a new mac pro and you didn't
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want that one so what makes you think
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you're going to suddenly decide that
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this one is ok if i have to reconsider
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well the problem with knowing what I
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know now is I also know about the
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reliability issues of that one
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like when it came out the reason i
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didn't buy it was like well is this
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doesn't quite suit my needs like I don't
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think that much cpu and GPU is aren't
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that great and it's super expensive and
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so on and so forth but all our
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conversations about that for with the
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expectation that they'll wait for the
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next Mac Pro like when they revise it
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right like and it wasn't such a crazy
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assumption i thought that happen maybe
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they even did it for the cheese graters
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even like that you know the fake new one
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for the show was founded on like it was
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still a revision it was still like bait
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they change some stuff I none of us I
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think could have predicted like there
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were literally not release another
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version of the machine-like ever like
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just no no I forgot one here to you
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through it like they just won't do it
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and that was not in my head so it's like
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me passing on that mac pro feel like you
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know it's the first one like wait for
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the second division i kinda like a dude
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with the five-time accident by the first
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one like marketed or even those good
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machine like the second one came out
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okay this is the one to get it seems
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like it's you know everything settled
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down there's no big problems got the p3
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screen that's totally what i was
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expecting to do with trash can
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they just never made another one and so
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you know what can you do you make any
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progress in your car decision we heard
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we had a lot of feedback on that my
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lovely if I love sweetheart can I kind
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of do this for you Casey please Casey
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wants a stick shift that was apparently
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not emphasize enough in the past show in
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the past 18 shows and the entire run of
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neutral right if I he hasn't been
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keeping it a secret but people keep
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forgetting keep forgetting or people say
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I know you said you wanted to stick
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shift but if you considered not a stick
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yeah consider that case you considered
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not a stick shift because i know you
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said you wanted one but think about this
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not oh you really put that when you put
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it that way I see so not a stick shift
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that's that what you're saying not
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thing i want right also a pretty close
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number two on that list was not
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front-wheel drive
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mmhmm yeah a lot of people say no you
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see you don't worry about that don't
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worry about a stick shift worry about
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front-wheel-drive you know I got a
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perfect front-wheel-drive battleship in
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car for you that you're looking alright
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that seems like that's exactly your
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criteria
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I mean everything exactly as they were
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they were arguing you know they were
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saying most people like yeah some people
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just plain forgot because i was like
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they were doing a whole email about the
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the car you should get but other people
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pitching you're saying here's why you
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should consider four-wheel-drive it's
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not your father's from blah blah and
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mostly respect those pitches but maybe
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they just don't know your stubbornness
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now would you call that an elevator
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pitch or an escalator pitch called an
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email pitch and I think people need some
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have said oh I have to think a lot of
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people made good arguments like if you
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were going to try to talk you out of it
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yeah stick shift or we will drive people
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had some good arguments based on their
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actual experiences driving these cars so
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I think there was a good quality
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feedback in there but i'm not sure how
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much help you
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my other favorite was everyone in the
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entire world i counted it's true telling
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me you should buy WRX in fact in the
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chat room as we speak two different
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individuals are telling me to buy a
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subaru WRX no I want allow it
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no well so here's the thing like I
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tweeted within a day of the show coming
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out because I was already getting
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inundated by it
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two things I said you know number one I
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think the WRX isn't classy enough I i
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want something that's a little bit less
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boy racer
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secondly this is my past subaru and it's
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a picture of my legacy GT now this was
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after I sold it i think we might discuss
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on the show but it was after I sold it
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and it was dotted literally died in a
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fire you know that phrase that I love so
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very much died any friggin fire
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attributing that to the car or is that
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the owner like I picture to but because
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you didn't own the car you don't know
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how that happened
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that's true however I let me remind you
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that car smelled of gasoline / petrol
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for most of the time that I the wheels
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all stayed on it though unlike industry
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this is true which was an improvement a
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little borrow oh yeah we have a case
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against the car wheel falls off next car
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dies in a fire that he's doing pretty
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well I think I didn't hear this was
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actually just consuming its engine parts
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in a hail of medication only yeah the no
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big deal right
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oh it's not what i'm going to factor
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here Casey maybe you drive really
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weirdly i guess i don't know but i
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thought i had a like a few people reach
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out with the interesting ideas and I had
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a handful of people reach out and say
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the Golf R is just as good as you think
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I had a handful of people with various
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degrees of aggression say stop fighting
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with this just least your damn car which
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i think i understand that in their
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prayers probably some truth to it in
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fact Marco you made a pretty good pitch
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for I don't remember that was on slacker
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and Twitter but regardless leasing would
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surely fix many if not all of these
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problems but it creates other problems
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which is you know i'm just throwing
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money into a pit i'm borrowing a call
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but you're doing that man therefore
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you're there you're any ownership of a
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car is throwing money into a pit and
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only borrowing it no matter how you do
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it that is the result
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it's only a difference of of like
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mechanics of how that actually happens
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and it on what time scale and input
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pattern and like what I like about
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leasing which I said before i'll just go
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to the very quick summary you know it is
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not the absolute least money to spend on
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a car like that at least one defending a
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car is to buy a lightly used honda or
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toyota and drive it until it doesn't
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drive anymore that is by far the
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cheapest and the cheapest way to own a
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car but if you're going to go the route
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of nice cars and in particular for go
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the route of buying new usually Elise is
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really nice for that because it is
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predictable and fixed and you put the
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risk of market fluctuations the value of
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your car whether it ever gets in an
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accident that like you put the risk of
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all that and the eventual resale value
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back on the manufacturer know and so you
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have a very predictable guaranteed
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next three years of here's what this is
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going to cost me every year or every
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month or whatever and then at the end it
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is done it is over you don't have to
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worry about it and am I gonna lose a lot
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of resale for this little scratch i have
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over here or whatever else I and like
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and all the maintenance is included so
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like it's just it's a way to just take
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this weird like severe up-and-down spiky
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expense pattern of owning a car and just
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make it flat make it flat but expensive
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but financing for financing new versus
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leasing new it's kind of a toss-up most
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it depends on the on the incentives and
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the interest rates of of the current
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month and and that brand-new
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configuration looking at sometimes leads
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actually cheaper because what a lot of
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the brands will do is they will they
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will use lease incentives at least
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specials to help them reach you know
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earnings for this quarter at it at their
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own expense basically like the kind of
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like borrowing as their own future
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so you can actually that the best deals
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in the car industry usually are for new
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cars at least usually our lease specials
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for that reason that you're not taking
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advantage of the manufacturers need to
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boost their numbers in a certain times
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man or whatever but that that's going to
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be less applicable to the kinds of cars
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you're looking at honestly but anyway
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that's where Lisa's are good they're
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they're fixed their predictable and
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they're kind of like if your usage
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pattern like if your mileage driven fits
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within one at least can do with yours
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does then it really makes a lot of sense
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especially for the kind of cars you're
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looking at which are fast car sports
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cars and you know it's one thing to like
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to leave something more conventional and
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more like you know low key with like a
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lower-key not as tweaked up engine and
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not high-performance breaks not
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high-performance parts you know that's
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one thing but the kind of car you're
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looking at as you know too well now are
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very expensive to maintain that you're
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gonna have a problem with any any way
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you look at this that still involves you
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having a soul so because of that
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that's why I think she's going to go to
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leasing because again you're you're
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losing a bunch of money about how you do
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this with leasing at least it's more
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compatible with the kind of like
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high-powered sporty cars that you're
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looking at
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and it allows it to be predictable
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there's no more surprises and I tell you
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what that is a freeing decision like
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because I i I've done now every method
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of owning a car i have i have bought
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used i have bought new buyer financing
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and I have leased and leasing is the
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only one of those I did more than once
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and here's some reason for that because
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my experience doing the other two were
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both very poor when i bought used I had
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a maintenance nightmare when I finance
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knew I lost a killing on on resale value
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because at one time had a door panel
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replace not my fault the car was parked
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and somebody back into my door and
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you're gonna replace and they saw that
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when i went to resell it and they're
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like they could tell that it had been
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repainted from looking at the Villa take
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a look at like the edge on the inside
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you can see all this repair panel even
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look from the outside but anyway yeah I
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i lost like five thousand dollars off
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the resale price on that car like it was
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horrible and it just sunk all like it
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was it that was my cord and like all the
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all the calculations i didn't think is
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the best value car that best value was
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destroyed because that resale loss so
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everything that I thought I was doing
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right was out the window because i had
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bad luck similar to what you're seeing
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out there be like everything you thought
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of your calculation of what you're going
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to spend in this car is being thrown out
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the window because weird stuff is going
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wrong and you just happen to have bad
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luck with the maintenance on this one
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that can happen with any car you get no
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matter how reliable is that's it
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this is all too silly this is why Lisa
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and she's releasing you get the new car
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and yes it you're paying what you're
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paying the cost for a new car right that
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and that's never gonna be cheap
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no matter how you do it but if you're
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going to get a new or newish car with a
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lease you pay every month you get the
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car brand-new how the exactly the spec
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you want you custom order exactly what
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you want you get every option every
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color whatever you want your stick shift
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you can get you don't have to wait and
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find one you can get exactly what you
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three years later you turn into the
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dealer and you get something else and
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you don't have to worry during that time
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if you get like a scratch in months six
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you don't have to look at that and say a
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am I going to look at the scratch for
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the next 10 years
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and B what is gonna kill my resale value
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or do I have to like go get this fixed
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some really expensive because you know
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what Lisa's have scratches Lawtons
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built-in you don't have to pay anything
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unless it's a really huge dent or
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something like it just fine you just
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turn back in and that you have a certain
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allowance and just fine
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like it's it's just so much easier
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there's there's so much less also like
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if you're kind of unsure about whether
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you want like one of the reasons i got a
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red car this time i'm not sure like
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having never owned a car that was a bold
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color before I wasn't sure I would like
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it and but you know i'm not buying this
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car for ten years i'm leaving this car
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for three years so i can take a bit of a
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same thing with the m5 I wasn't sure if
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I if I could deal with a
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rear-wheel-drive car in a place that has
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winters and if i was buying a car for
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ten years i'm not sure i would take that
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risk but because it was only at least I
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knew that it was you know a much shorter
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commitment and so I did it and it worked
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out great now I have my red car that's
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working out great like so I you're able
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to take more risks with with the choices
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you make because it isn't a long-term
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commitment and the psychology is so much
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more relaxed because you know it's just
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a lease and the time you're giving it up
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is fixed the value that you're going to
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get it fixed
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what you're paying every month is fixed
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and at the end you just repeat you order
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something else and process repeats and
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you can you know every three years you
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have a chance to stop doing that if you
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want to but you know honestly once you
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start asking hard to stop because it's
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really really nice because he doesn't
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want a three-year stand with a car he's
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looking for a long-term relationship
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anything you can also get 45 year leases
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I I just don't know if anybody really
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does but you can but every every choice
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you have for that in front of you
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you're going to have to make some kind
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of major compromise on what you would
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ideally want write it no matter what
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choice you have in front of you you have
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to compromise on something in it yet
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like one big compromise to avoid making
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a whole bunch of other smaller ones if
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you choose leasing as that compromise to
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make value you know you you object to
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leasing seems like mostly a moral
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standpoint you know it's it's less about
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like whether you can afford more that
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you just don't like the idea of it
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if you can compromise on that everything
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else you can get exactly what you want
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yeah sort of i mean i guess that's true
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but the only the only things that would
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give me access to really is BMWs and I
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could just buy used one or a Cadillac
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and I can i I don't think I want a
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Cadillac so I won't let you get the
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Cadillac well I mean I guess what I'm
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saying is I don't know what real at
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leasing doesn't really open any doors I
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don't think that aren't already in front
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of me it just solves the maintenance
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problem because the everything will be
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on the I will forever be under warranty
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what's next marker you're gonna
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recommend a three-year marriage yeah
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that's just what you're suggesting to do
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our owners that's right whatever your
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marriages and five-year marriage that's
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try it like now that's not you don't
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and his car know you enjoyed you are
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doing what are my other recommended
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not quite i would recommend if you're
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gonna do like the maximize value plan i
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would recommend buying a HS off lease
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toyota or honda and then owning that
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into the ground
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you're doing it all you're doing almost
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that which is by a new Honda and went
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into the ground like that is also a
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totally valid way to do it you know I
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can't do the leases for two reasons one
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try finding a stick shift undercard
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Delise it's hard enough to find someone
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who will sell you one from the factory
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they do not exist and to i have a new
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I like having a brand-new car brand-new
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cars are awesome and together with the
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least do it right
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brand-spanking-new that's one of the
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great things in life is getting a new
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car I would never go that for like a
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one-year-old i will eat the 5k that I in
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depreciation that's very surprising to
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me who doesn't like a new car come on i
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love in your heart but so my perfect
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scenario like if I could just invent the
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perfect scenario i would get like a one
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or two-year old car that was exactly the
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build i wanted that we used by to farm
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and driven 500 miles
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yeah exactly that's true it and that's
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into truth be told that was my BMW now
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he had been driven many many miles but
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but the only way those miles could have
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been accrued in the time and in which
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the first owner had it was on the
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highway and so on paper might be my car
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was perfect it was a relatively decent
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turns out he was a mailman additional I
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think that my understanding was he was
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actually insurance stopping gonna stop
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and go and what happens happens
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could be but now my understanding was he
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was an insurance like agents or
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something like that but we will problem
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market will probably in just 25 we cut
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this from the show but as you guys were
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talking I went to auto trader and
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quickly amassed the list of makes that
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are reasonably easily available to me in
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the united states and i will run through
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them alphabetically so everyone will
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know the options in front of me and the
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answer is that there are almost none
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acura accurate does not believe in a
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stick shift anymore
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although no sticks done any other
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questions a couple other quick notes
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first of all porsche is theoretically an
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option which I had forgotten but a it's
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way too expensive be have you seen the
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Panamera it's freaking hideous as though
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if there's no forward our sticks the
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Panamera doesn't come to stick doesn't
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how you know now that you say that
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you're probably right
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secondly in cat in this individual is
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not the only person who said this but
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you're too picky
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well thank you this is what i want i
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don't know this is what i want i am
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allowed to be picky from spending
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between 20 and 80 thousand dollars i am
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allowed to be picky so sorry tough
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