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210: My Stupid Thumb

 

00:00:00   so much easier when everything was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   monogrammed those are the days right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3">TS</a>]

00:00:04   those were the days you kids these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4">TS</a>]

00:00:06   and your multi-bit displays pixels could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6">TS</a>]

00:00:08   be on or they could be off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/8">TS</a>]

00:00:10   what more do you need so I'm sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/10">TS</a>]

00:00:14   well you know i should actually save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   that for right before follow-up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/16">TS</a>]

00:00:17   if you don't leave in that I'm sick then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   everyone's gonna bring to you about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20   the sounds all wrong for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   mark I would never added something out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   of a podcast that causes a stream of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   feedback for an entire week even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/25">TS</a>]

00:00:26   we discussed on the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/26">TS</a>]

00:00:28   normally I try to edit I i try to remove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/28">TS</a>]

00:00:35   things that we that we say kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   I wonder if it's this way that like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/38">TS</a>]

00:00:39   find out two seconds later are wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   because that way because we actually if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   I don't do that then we will get tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   emails from people who have who pause at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   that point before we realize that we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   wrong and write and tell us where that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   we were wrong so normally i will edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   out like the first half of something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/54">TS</a>]

00:00:55   like that just because like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   do anybody any good to hear speculate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   being wrong that we're going to learn is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/61">TS</a>]

00:01:02   shortly after but sometimes we get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05   so with that in mind before anyone right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/65">TS</a>]

00:01:08   saying i am a little sick i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/68">TS</a>]

00:01:10   feel fine but I get home maybe my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   sinuses are clogged up because I sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   weird you sound like hell but I know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   really do feel okay like i have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/76">TS</a>]

00:01:17   snot in that much I mean everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   seems okay but I can feel it coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   can we hear more detail about your about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   your nasal situation and i would love to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/83">TS</a>]

00:01:25   have to actually it's funny because i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   as your but let's hear more yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   god I wish I remember that scrub song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   about a it all comes I think it's all it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   all comes down to poo something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   that anyway and I'm but a but yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/96">TS</a>]

00:01:39   listen to do by friday which I resisted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/99">TS</a>]

00:01:42   listening to you for awhile for no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   particular reason just because I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   just because I don't feel like I have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/106">TS</a>]

00:01:48   lot of availability in my in my shedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   for her new podcast don't do it out well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/111">TS</a>]

00:01:55   and as it turns out i'm glad i folded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   because due by friday is excellent and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00   on due by friday they were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   some sort of like sinus cleansing device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/122">TS</a>]

00:02:05   that I think came from walgreens don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   do that either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/127">TS</a>]

00:02:08   there's a neti pot right well yeah neti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   pot or something along those lines I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/130">TS</a>]

00:02:11   forget the details for any of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/131">TS</a>]

00:02:12   yeah well that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   thing and so on the one side I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   I think my sinuses are like clogged as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   hell in and one of these neti pot like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   things would theoretically clear it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   that being said I really do not want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   brain amoeba and so i will just pass and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   sound like a moron for the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   episode and not died from a brain amoeba [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   and I'll be okay with that now in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/153">TS</a>]

00:02:34   fairness for the due by friday brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   squirting device that one that what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/157">TS</a>]

00:02:40   have a microfilter of some kind that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/160">TS</a>]

00:02:43   purported to block the brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/163">TS</a>]

00:02:44   meatballs from entering your brain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/164">TS</a>]

00:02:46   there's anybody you want to trust with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/166">TS</a>]

00:02:47   keeping microbes out of your body but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   through use of a paper-thin filter CBS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   it's a $14 thing at walgreens walgreens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55   sorry not CBS sorry that's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/177">TS</a>]

00:02:58   yeah it's walgreens then you're okay my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/178">TS</a>]

00:03:01   goodness so yes don't yell at Marco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   levels aren't wrong my levels aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/183">TS</a>]

00:03:05   wrong and sound weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/185">TS</a>]

00:03:06   so see apologies for that we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   start with some follow-up we are aware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/189">TS</a>]

00:03:12   that you can use control center to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   switch to air pods on iOS devices the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17   whole of the internet wrote in to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/197">TS</a>]

00:03:19   us this and this was very confusing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21   John and I because we spoke about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/201">TS</a>]

00:03:24   on the show and I didn't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   nobody spent the time to figure that out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   and as it turns out we later discovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   that this was one of those instances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   where Marco got a little aggressive with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   the edits which a truth be told happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   extremely rarely but every great once in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   a while something slip through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/221">TS</a>]

00:03:42   cracks and this is one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   instances where John and I discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   this and it was in the midst of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/226">TS</a>]

00:03:50   things that should have been cut and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   apparently the slicing and dicing was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   not quite surgical enough so we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   aware that you can use control swim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   center to switch to airports on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   devices so thank you the entirety of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   internet for writing it but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   importantly for the people who listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/244">TS</a>]

00:04:05   the show the vast vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/245">TS</a>]

00:04:07   people that information was cut and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/247">TS</a>]

00:04:09   didn't get the benefit of knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   is obviously the people who who wrote in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   to tell us that we can use a control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/253">TS</a>]

00:04:16   center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/256">TS</a>]

00:04:16   you know like that i was surprised by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   them running because I said oh you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   Marco sometimes people pause the show to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   send feedback and then they resume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   playing it and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   standard amount of feedback you get of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/267">TS</a>]

00:04:28   someone saying something that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   will be addressed maybe 20 or 30 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   later in the show and that's fine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   happens all the time i do myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   everybody does it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   I usually expect to see one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/277">TS</a>]

00:04:40   pieces of feedback after that saying oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/280">TS</a>]

00:04:43   haha should have waited 20 seconds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   you mentioned it but I didn't see any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   those was like this is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   large volume of people apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/289">TS</a>]

00:04:50   pausing the podcast get feedback but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/290">TS</a>]

00:04:53   nobody saying oh sorry I should've kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/293">TS</a>]

00:04:55   listening so that was that was my clue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/295">TS</a>]

00:04:58   that this was going on but anyway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/298">TS</a>]

00:05:00   important piece of information denied to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   all the other listeners who didn't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/302">TS</a>]

00:05:05   or didn't listen live ya hit that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/305">TS</a>]

00:05:08   you can do this if you have their pods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   and multiple iOS devices you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/310">TS</a>]

00:05:13   to go to settings and bluetooth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   switch it you can do it in control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   center and it is more convenient so try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/317">TS</a>]

00:05:18   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   yeah and in to be clear just in case it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   wasn't obvious there are two panes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   control center and it is the rightmost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   pain there's a kind of a dropdownlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/325">TS</a>]

00:05:29   ish thing on the bottom where you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   select your output device and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/331">TS</a>]

00:05:33   what you want and actually speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/333">TS</a>]

00:05:35   control center one of the reasons that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   it is not actually has a convenient for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   me to use control center is because as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   of right now I have control settled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   control center disabled on my iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   everybody except for springboard you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   know that setting if you whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   want to be able to swipe up and control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51   center either Justin springboard all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/351">TS</a>]

00:05:53   apps i figure how its phrase but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/353">TS</a>]

00:05:55   I had to disable control center in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   during in applications on my iPad which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   is the main device i would be switching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   to because of stage and which is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   excellent game that you should try but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   involves a lot of swiping rapidly upward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   from the bottom of your ipad huh and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   really don't want control center to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   appear I don't even want the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/371">TS</a>]

00:06:12   tabby thing to hear because you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   makes you do it twice just to show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/374">TS</a>]

00:06:15   you really mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   that little tabby things appears and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/376">TS</a>]

00:06:18   instantly dead so that's a great game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   everyone should buy it and try it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   you can just control center first I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/384">TS</a>]

00:06:27   the the style of that game i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   music of the game i love the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/390">TS</a>]

00:06:31   that game but my brain just can't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34   like I I know there's some kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   learning curve maybe and I try playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   it for like a good 15 minutes I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/400">TS</a>]

00:06:40   I get my brain to do it right heated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   it's not a learning curve there it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   state machine there is i don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   game and then you'll cross the humongous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/407">TS</a>]

00:06:50   gap somehow magically and all of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   sudden you get the game that was my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   experiences i was i was in the beta for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55   that game and I played I played a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/415">TS</a>]

00:06:57   during the beta right and my high score [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/417">TS</a>]

00:07:00   was like one or two hundred for several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/420">TS</a>]

00:07:04   weeks and then as the day went on I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/424">TS</a>]

00:07:09   got close to 400 and I was asking was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/429">TS</a>]

00:07:12   asking Kevin like what the mall people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   get for high scores like I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/434">TS</a>]

00:07:15   just the beta testers but like mi mi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18   just terrible at this game I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   average and he was saying there's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   of variability and so on and so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   trying to make me feel better about my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   fault my terrible high score but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/445">TS</a>]

00:07:28   the game got closer to release that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   think it was actually around the time of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/451">TS</a>]

00:07:32   I my brain figure it out like figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/452">TS</a>]

00:07:35   out how to play the game and instantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/455">TS</a>]

00:07:37   went up into the thousands and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   I haven't looked back so I wouldn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   know it it's a fun game it's a cute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   little trifle you can play with it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   unfortunately unlike altos adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   unfortunately / fortunately once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   figure the game out it becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/471">TS</a>]

00:07:53   surprisingly time-consuming as you spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/473">TS</a>]

00:07:57   your days plugging away at this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   out but there is there is a big leap so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   if you don't you know you don't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   make that leap that's fine i still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   it's worth the three bucks over the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   costs just to play with it because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   a really novel interesting idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   very well executed but there is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/489">TS</a>]

00:08:12   game on the other side of it once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/492">TS</a>]

00:08:13   once you cross the hurdle once you bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   gets the game and then you can like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   spend most your time being incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   frustrated that you made some tiny my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   new mistake after playing for literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/501">TS</a>]

00:08:23   20 minutes and just missed your high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/503">TS</a>]

00:08:25   score this sounds vaguely like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   smarter every day video with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30   backwards bike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/510">TS</a>]

00:08:31   have you seen this it's al with where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   they had it's like a gear or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   like that such that when you turned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   handle bars right the bike went left and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   in if you watch the video spoiler alert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   basically eventually just flip this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   switch your brain just puts the switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/525">TS</a>]

00:08:46   where it understands and then you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/526">TS</a>]

00:08:50   actually to ride the bike also real-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   follow up this is an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   us saying something that we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   realize is wrong people will have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/536">TS</a>]

00:08:57   already pause the show and written in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   and now i will correct it for the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/539">TS</a>]

00:09:02   of you that actually use home kit home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/542">TS</a>]

00:09:04   kid is the rightmost panel control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   center it is not it is not the audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/546">TS</a>]

00:09:09   stuff but there's only three of you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   use home kit so I appreciate all three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   of you writing in markup that door yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   yeah sure you think they're also the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   Opera users how you know that's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   interesting point very well could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   I don't know so right if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   actually not really pleased if I their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/564">TS</a>]

00:09:26   long waits when you use the chat feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   dirty for most customer support tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/568">TS</a>]

00:09:31   this is when you use the online web chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/571">TS</a>]

00:09:33   because like me you hate the telephone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   and don't want to spend any time on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/575">TS</a>]

00:09:36   telephone if you can avoid it tomw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   rights in to point out web chat works on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   the premise that one person speaks to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   few people at once many up to 10 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   perhaps that's why the latency is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48   atrociously bad in in when you're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/588">TS</a>]

00:09:52   these online chat experiences a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   people running with a backhand makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   perfect sense and it should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/596">TS</a>]

00:09:57   occurred to me but didn't like i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   using it because the phone lines were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   closed but I mean they just it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   falls out of my car keys to the phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/602">TS</a>]

00:10:03   lines that close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/603">TS</a>]

00:10:03   why is the text right open because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/603">TS</a>]

00:10:07   text chat you can attend 1 multiplied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   are your people and that's why i gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/608">TS</a>]

00:10:12   wait 10 minutes to reply because someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   was replying to 10 other people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   that's actually kind of an amazing / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   terrible job because who wants to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   you ever tried to conduct 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   simultaneous text conversations that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   productive in anyway with anybody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   can't joke around with three friends at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/628">TS</a>]

00:10:31   once I feel like I'm frazzled doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/631">TS</a>]

00:10:32   it's like all right are you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   you can have you can have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   things going with a knot in an on-time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   critical nature like just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/638">TS</a>]

00:10:39   whatever like someone said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   funny and then you say something funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   backward like that's fine multiple slack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   channels all that stuff but 10 customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   service conversations for the person on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47   the other end is potentially angry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   wants to just complete a transaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   now if you're really bad for these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/652">TS</a>]

00:10:53   people tell me i'm guessing that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/653">TS</a>]

00:10:54   is you know software assistance here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   that they're probably using special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   tools that have like a checklist script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/658">TS</a>]

00:11:01   they're going through each person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/661">TS</a>]

00:11:02   Electro's yeah well but yet even just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   like like i'm sure there's like a script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   or like a checklist that each one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   and can probably keep a state of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   here's what i've done with this customer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/669">TS</a>]

00:11:10   so far so there's probably some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/670">TS</a>]

00:11:13   like special software designed to help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   them out here I mean this is a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   application for everyone's favorite 80s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/677">TS</a>]

00:11:18   AI technology expert systems where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   can make a general-purpose AI because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   really hard but what you can do is make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/683">TS</a>]

00:11:26   a text-only chat thing that knows how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   handle customer service you know the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   5 customer service concerns and but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   points to a user if it can't figure it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/693">TS</a>]

00:11:36   out and those can work fine too and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   think i would probably be mostly okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/698">TS</a>]

00:11:39   with those it if it just you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/699">TS</a>]

00:11:44   would type in something and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/704">TS</a>]

00:11:45   repeat back to me its understanding of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   the thing asking for confirmation and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   can get frustrating if you go around in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   circles but if it just wants you to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/711">TS</a>]

00:11:52   person i can imagine it would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/712">TS</a>]

00:11:54   be good for you know covering at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   half of the cases of i have a product [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   there's a problem I want to return and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   we asked me for the order number and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   give me the RMA and but like machine can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/724">TS</a>]

00:12:05   not that I'm trying to put more people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/725">TS</a>]

00:12:06   to work with the eyes but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   efficiencies well alright so let's get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/728">TS</a>]

00:12:12   to the job siracusa portion of follow-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/732">TS</a>]

00:12:14   as if all the follow-up visit John's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/734">TS</a>]

00:12:17   already why don't you tell us about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   PFS somebody on the internet named Tyler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/739">TS</a>]

00:12:24   lock or loke successfully booted mac OS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/744">TS</a>]

00:12:28   Sierra from in a PFS file system is ntfs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   was introduced in Syria as a developer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/750">TS</a>]

00:12:33   preview and presumably sometime this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   year will be the official supported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   bootable file system for what I suppose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/758">TS</a>]

00:12:42   is the next major version of Mac West [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43   who knows they can do it a point release [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   to whatever it's already coming to iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   and in ten point 3 and that's not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   the next major release and up until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/768">TS</a>]

00:12:52   you haven't been able to boot from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   but many many parts of it are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   more mature and obviously if it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   to be the it it's going to convert all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/777">TS</a>]

00:12:59   your iOS devices a PFS and 10.3 I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/779">TS</a>]

00:13:02   the file system is pretty much ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/782">TS</a>]

00:13:03   primetime the only reason it's not on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/783">TS</a>]

00:13:05   the max because the mac is obviously a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/785">TS</a>]

00:13:06   lower priority and he tweeted about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   will put some links in the show notes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   these tweets just you can get in touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   with him and tell him to write a blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   post about it if he hasn't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/794">TS</a>]

00:13:15   he did it by taking a 10-point 12.4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/795">TS</a>]

00:13:21   drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/801">TS</a>]

00:13:21   cloning it running the a PFS HFS convert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   command-line utility which exists to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   convert it in place just like it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   iOS devices right that's you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/808">TS</a>]

00:13:29   that utility exist and then manually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   edited the goal partition table uuid to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/812">TS</a>]

00:13:35   some big heck string that apparently is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/815">TS</a>]

00:13:38   the right one and then did some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/818">TS</a>]

00:13:41   stuff that i can understand bc try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/821">TS</a>]

00:13:42   complete compress it onto a tweet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   change some car flags and rebooted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   he was booted into a PFS and the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   thing to note is his little screenshot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   showing hey look I'm booted into a PFS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   showed as the volume type a PFS and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/833">TS</a>]

00:13:57   parentheses case-insensitive so in case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   you're wondering if it was just a choice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   he made it was going to be the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/841">TS</a>]

00:14:02   one but maybe fest case-insensitive is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/842">TS</a>]

00:14:06   certainly a thing so maybe if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   having problems with case-sensitive hfs+ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/848">TS</a>]

00:14:10   you won't have to worry about that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   a PFS because you won't be forced to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   make your Mac case sensitive if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   screenshot is any indication we respond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/856">TS</a>]

00:14:19   to this week by indochino but indochino [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/859">TS</a>]

00:14:22   dot-com and use promo code ATP for any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   premiums to just 389 with free shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/865">TS</a>]

00:14:28   it's an incredible deal for a suit that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/868">TS</a>]

00:14:30   will fit you better than anything off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/870">TS</a>]

00:14:32   the rack ever could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   indochino is reinventing man's fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   by making made-to-measure suits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   affordable and available to the masses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/878">TS</a>]

00:14:41   made-to-measure suits are just fit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   feel so much better than generic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   off-the-rack suits even if you get other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   suits like custom-tailored off-the-rack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   a made-to-order suit made just for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/890">TS</a>]

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00:15:58   anything off the rack ever could thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/958">TS</a>]

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00:16:03   ah so big week for Marco as they say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/963">TS</a>]

00:16:09   have released overcast three so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   congratulations Thank You there's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   one massive bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   what's the best of bug well that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   were there were 15 minor bugs that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   fixed in a point release yesterday but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   created one less minor bug where now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/980">TS</a>]

00:16:23   just can't create playlists anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   that's no big deal I've heard from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   surprisingly few people about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   creating playlists is not a very common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   action you get the others list for free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   and if you q things that's created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   automatically so that's fine i have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   fix ready iTunes Connect has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   undergoing maintenance stuff all day so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   I haven't actually able to be able to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:44   able to submit but that should be fixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   in a couple days probably the time this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   podcast goes live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   youyou found this bug the playlist bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   after you release the left you uploaded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   30 1301 cause the bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:56   there you go yeah yeah that's now that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59   the point release because i was so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00   was it was rapid turnaround like you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   three point one which had like a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   of little minor fixes and gotta prove [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:05   really quickly and went up on the store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:07   it's like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:08   everything's working at design but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:09   had a bug because 30 had had a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:12   serious bug where the gesture for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:15   dismissing the now playing sheet it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   would interfere with the speed sliders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   little thumb if you would set the speed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   to the very bottom setting the minus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   which is like points7 extra point x1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   like that so basically if you set this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:29   be all the way down you could never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:30   change it unless you have like an iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   or something you could like sink it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:33   from and so that was a pretty serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   bug but I i had to get 301 out quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:40   and they were a couple of other like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:41   minor things like you know let me throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:42   in you know whatever I could do quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   that's not gonna require lots of testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:45   to validate and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   let me just do that quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:48   and I slipped up when fixing a playlist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:51   reordering but basically I pulled the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   place editor out of the card environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:55   because for various implementation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   details that are born again into here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   uitableview reorder controls break if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:05   they're in a card that isn't mine now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:06   playing card so i had to reach had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:10   revert the playlist editor back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   regular environment which is not in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   car because it's a regular full screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:15   sheet and in doing that I mistakenly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:19   forgot to readd the done button back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:22   it so now you can cancel the creation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   the playlist but you cannot finish it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   surprising that your comprehensive suite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   of automated tests and catch this i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   waiting for thank you John syracuse i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:32   love you might want to save your voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33   thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:34   alright so you've gone on a justifiable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:38   media blitz i listen to under the radar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:40   already moments before we started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:42   recording it turns out as per tradition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   you are on the talk show what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:47   want to talk about here either that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   you've touched on previously or that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   that you'd like to elaborate upon i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   this is this is your show so now is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   time to really well not that under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   radar isn't you know what I mean now's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   the time to really go deep on any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   this stuff or do what I expected to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   and say whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   well I don't mean what do you guys want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   to know like what I mean what's what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   you think would be interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:09   like you know so I'll tell you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   on under-the-radar talked about kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   the idea of basically had like 30 was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:17   big release in terms of like how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   stuff changed but it was actually not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:23   big release in terms of like here's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   list of features that are new but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   they're there are very few new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   and it's kind of an interesting thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:32   do of like here's a new version of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   app there's been tons of work to it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:37   a lot better but I can't tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:40   everything new in it because it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:41   it's not that kind of better like I it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   basically most of the work was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   revamping the UI and and it doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   see it doesn't even look incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   different than how did before it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:53   works differently in certain in certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   places so like you know the whole card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   you I with the now playing screen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   the two-stage episode selection now at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02   Monroe in the bottom of it those are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:04   big things and then you know the queuing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   system that goes around the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   and and kind of like moving all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:09   actions into visible places but it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1209">TS</a>]

00:20:12   similar way that it's hard for me to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:15   come up with like a feature change list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   of here's the big new headline features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:19   it's also hard for me to come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:20   like what should I talk about like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:23   do you want to know I don't know jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   remember you i will be like what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   think I should be covering here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   chatroom wants to know why swipe to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   delete is gone and having been on data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:32   for how many months i thought it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   all eventually get used to it will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   away i'm still swiping up to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:36   something else FYI i mean not that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   don't mind because I don't delete them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:39   that often like they go away when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   know I still have the setting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   deletes them when you finish listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   so it's not a thing that comes up often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   but I've done it in the past week the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   short version of why this is the way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   is and then you can yell at me for an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   hour is the old way of like you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:56   your list of episodes you could swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   one of the cells and it would reveal the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   iOS standard tableview delete button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   along with a couple other actions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   there was a star for recommending and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   there's a download button there if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07   wasn't downloaded this has always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   the way to delete episodes and overcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   you could you could also just listen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   them all the way through and the default [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   settings to delete after listening I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:18   so many emails and tweets over the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   two and a half years since one point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   with people asking how grandly episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:26   or had a way to leave a message that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1286">TS</a>]

00:21:28   listening to them all the way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   which is kind of funny if you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   about that means people were actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:32   like trying to place all the way through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   just to delete them and the reason why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   is because I thought when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:37   designing this app that you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:40   course everyone using an iphone knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   that you swipe table views to delete you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   know that that's that's obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45   everyone knows that right or you tap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   edit button in the corner and it shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:48   that elite controls and you then usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   from their people don't know this a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   of people don't know this and you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   kind of understand why because if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   just get an iphone and you can start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   using it like at no point do you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   need that like in the rest of the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:04   interface doesn't really like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   always also delete button somewhere or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:08   something out or it's in some contexts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   like messages where it doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   matter you look here where you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   often delete entire conversation so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   a lot of people who use iphones don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:19   know like the the quote standards for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   some of the other controls for things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:22   like swiping table cells to show really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   control or hitting the edit button to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   show other controls whatever else does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:27   Apple Mail have a way to delete yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   there's there's delete buttons right on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:30   the bottom toolbar a huge design goal of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:33   overcast through everything my post but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   a huge angle overcast three was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   basically to because you know every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   every feature that I had that was hidden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:40   behind of gesture people would find and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:43   they would they would write in confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:44   or mad that I didn't have this feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   or disappointed and so my main goal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   overcast three was to take all of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   all the things I've learned with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:53   two-and-a-half years of basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   feedback and user testing and try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   address as many design flaws as possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:01   I mean there's just there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   features so much functionality that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   had since one point O that a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   portion of my users either can't find or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   just assume i don't have or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   misunderstand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:12   so it was very much like a a clarifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:16   release to clarify how things work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   then and etc you know and I knew going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   into it I knew that the the you know now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   playing being this card that's coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   from the bottom instead of navigation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:27   pane such as the right I knew that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:29   be like you know a minor thing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:30   get used to quickly but i also know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   even said in the post that the the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:35   new two-stage really now you tap the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1415">TS</a>]

00:23:37   cell and rather than immediately playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:40   the episode it shows like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   action menu kind of like when you select [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   a tweet tweet pot and there's buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:47   and one the middle button there's play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   and then one of the 12 the far right is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   delete and i'm a little curious from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   people like you guys and the entire chat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:56   room and many people on twitter by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1436">TS</a>]

00:23:58   way i should i should say before before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   i can make just like that the response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   to this update has been massively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   positive that i am very very happy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:07   the with the response it has been very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   very positive and for something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   changes so many things that's a bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   positive reaction than I would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   guessed so anyway that that aside for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:19   the people who are not so positive about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   it because of this new like now it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   two taps to delete something thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:26   always took to temporarily something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:27   before it was swiped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   tap now it's tap tap so I'm kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:33   curious like why I mean it's different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   but is it actually worse now you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   why I do that case and I shouldn't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   don't give him the answer Karen downtown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   market will explain to us why why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:44   there's get back what I I understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:48   people who don't like there's two taps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:50   to play something I understand that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   because there was one tab before and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   it's too even though it's much less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:55   error-prone now in the interfaces way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   clear for everybody but why is it worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   to have to delete be two taps instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:03   a swipe and tap and now the other part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   of markets bringing around to answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:06   that question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:07   good i don't know I honestly like I go I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:11   know you can do it gets it i know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   could do it it's just different but is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   it worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   nice it's actually easier to do is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   precise because that's what that one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   the reasons was that the swipe to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   I would often accidentally start playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   the episode so let me give you my answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   which i think is the same as John's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29   who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:30   my answer is you should never ever ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:33   deviate from what is the norm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   platform and so the norm on the platform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   is if you want to do some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:39   destructive change like that in a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   like gestural way you swipe from right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   to left and there will be some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   destructive action that you can take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:47   right then and there and like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   previously Marco that's on pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   every table view in the system that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   allows you to remove a table bureau and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   so because i don't think this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:59   exclusively a power user thing although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1559">TS</a>]

00:26:01   it certainly in my mind excuse towards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:04   power users but you should never fight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:07   the frameworks and you which you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   with this table you actually in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:10   ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:11   oh you shouldn't and you should never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   fight the hague the human interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   guidelines and and I feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   fighting the hague now I haven't beaten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   you up about this too bad previously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   because I understand where your head's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:21   at and it makes sense to me that for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   overwhelming majority of users i bet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:26   anything this was a positive change but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:27   for someone like me and thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:29   completely myopically you're behaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:31   differently than the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   platform and that feels gross in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   same way that you get that grossed out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   feeling when you look at a material [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   design google app on iphone using google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   apps on my phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:42   you know what I mean that like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   that's a bit unfair comparison and a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   slanders to be to be fair because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   are nowhere near that that out of left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   field but it's a similar scenario right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   where you have something that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:54   quite feel right but it doesn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:58   feel right to a power user or even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   moderate power user I think to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   people your I I think you made the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   change even though it drives me batty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   well let me let me just boil that down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   to a more to it and a simpler more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:13   visceral answer everything you said is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:16   right but the result the result of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   is at bottom line i keep swiping things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   that's that's the bottom line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   after many many weeks i keep swiping and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:24   it's not a big deal and that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   discoverability is a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   like I'm even though is non-standard in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   the same way that sweet spot is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:31   non-standard i like it like it is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   because you have a complicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   application and I think this is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   and discoverability there's no arguing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:37   is that you were getting tons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:38   feedback about discoverability people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   will find the trash cannot come on they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   could hundred percent on that but why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   why do people complain it's not about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   speed is not about efficiency [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   why do I keep swiping my case he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   because I swipe everywhere else again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   can't convince my stupid thumbs not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:52   swipe and and everything you said about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:56   why you and why you added the bar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   discoverability all that's a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   percent true but exactly in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   that that a underscore convince you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:05   make a sideways so that swype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:06   inexplicably do a thing that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   totally not do this because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:09   way the old one work you keep the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   controls exactly where they are but if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   my finger stupid swype so the umpteenth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:16   time just let it delete but that's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:18   I'm asking for like keep exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   same stuff that's in there now make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   discovery also and so forth but for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   admittedly very small handful of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:27   and that's why this is not a big deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:28   that's why three-point always in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:29   win no matter what even if you never had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   this feature back but for the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   handful of people who are either on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:34   podcast with your in chatroom stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:38   thumbs keep swiping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:39   this is another case to do one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   features just like the one was referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:44   to the underscore talk you into which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   was the old gesture was to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   now playing you could swipe the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:48   even though the new one comes up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   the bottom you still made swipe the side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   work because it's no skin off else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   back no one else is going to discover it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:54   except for people have muscle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   i'm here from the old overcast guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   what I can make that work for you to now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:58   maybe a pain in the butt to make swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   to delete work in the context of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:03   whatever unholy things that you've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:04   to the table view to make it so super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:06   custom and by the way i love the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:07   that you can reorder now with the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   grippy tabs everywhere so you know again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   it's totally a net win but for this tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:13   little minor feature you know it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:16   be neat if the old muscle memory still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   worked and i guess i'll probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:20   eventually get you stuff but I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:21   whatever got used to it by now and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   think it's exactly what case he said if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   the whole rest of the system is training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   me again and again to swipe to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   it's very difficult to sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   contextual the untrained myself from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   that gesture on something that looks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   all the world like a table view as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   general rule use standard gestures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:37   people are familiar with the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   gestures and don't appreciate being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:40   forced to learn different ways to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:41   same thing in games another immersive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1781">TS</a>]

00:29:43   apps custom gestures can be a fun part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   of the experience and other apps it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:46   best to use the standard gesture so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   extra effort isn't needed to discover or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:49   remember them straight out of the hague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   all right so you guys make good points i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:55   don't i don't disagree with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:56   what you're saying I actually the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:58   of doing both of adding the swipes back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:02   actually never occurred to me until this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   moment there is probably something I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:08   doing to that table view that would make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   that probably not work well you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:13   like growing glitches come on that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:15   also part of the fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   i will try it because I I admit like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   I can do that with with no horrible side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:21   effects then it is kind of a no-brainer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:24   to offer that affords to have both like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   little orange bar appear as the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   above it swipe sideways in the orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:29   bar starts to get clipped and filled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   with me so awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:32   you have no idea what I've done to poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:34   uitableview and I would yeah whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:36   tweet but did I same type of thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   this and to be fair like I don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   but was the originator of this thing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   a lot of applications do this where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   were they want to have more stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   you to do a tableview they can't all fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50   under magic edit button where you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   into a mode right and so they do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:53   thing where it reveals more controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:56   when you tap the thing I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57   itself even though it's not a nigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   whatever is kind of standard and tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   and true but since you can't delete the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:02   tweet tweet but never had to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   like as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   speaking with you can't believe its weak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   but it's that was sweet but doing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   swipe I guess I don't delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   sweet as often as i type i think is view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   conversation yeah then there's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:12   different directions one of the few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   times you know i think is favorite oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   that's right they used both directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:16   for the for the yeah yeah no I mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:20   okay so there's a number of things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   respond to hear one of them is when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26   you're thinking about like how this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   should be or how this thing should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:29   actually like you know work through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:32   entire thing in your head to see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:33   you know maybe like to maybe think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:36   maybe there's a reason why doesn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:37   way right or maybe that would present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   more challenges and then we often just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   like we're trying to like you know as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   our armchair people trying to tell Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   what to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:46   like what if they did that like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:47   would that what are the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:48   ramifications of that so if if I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:52   do the button bar thing if I kept the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:53   Delete in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   what other way that how else could i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   make it actually discoverable people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   so the way that the Apple has to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   that are all that you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:02   reading from the Higgs if this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:03   gospel well get to that next but the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:06   they do it is on the resulting screen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   its look at mail mail is always a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   example of like standard UI kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   stop it is always good inspiration a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   reference point for that so look at mail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   with male you open the message as if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   see if you assume that you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:21   how to swype on table cells to delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:24   things which most people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:25   if you open the message in the message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   window there's delete button so if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   don't know how to stop on the table view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   you're still seeing delete buttons all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   the time so if I were to go down this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:36   path with overcast intent to have to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:40   have like you know single tap to open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   the message and to have a swipe offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   the delete or you know sales have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   completed by the way had before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   how else could i make delete more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   discoverable so one way to do it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   be if i put delete in the info pane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   which I could do what I forget whether I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   did it or not but I could do that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   have delete be one of the buttons in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   info pane but in typical playback you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:05   not using the info pane typical playback [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   you're hitting the episode then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   begins playing in the screen if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:10   this way and so it would have to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:13   the now playing screen so now look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   the now playing screen where I put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:18   no no one's arguing that you should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   rid of the bar at least I'm certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:22   wasn't I told me you okay people are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   have to it's different but I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   like batting swipe to delete as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   shortcut for the people who happen to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   know which is it definitely a tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   detail nice to have thing that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   essential for a three-point know that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   why i said the bar is obviously an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:36   improvement like just you know hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   percent and in fact I think you can it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   not obvious to a lot of people on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:42   twitter at well that I think that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:47   other thing the bar it gives you looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   at it is i don't know how much metrics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:51   are collecting in terms of usage but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   have a lot of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:54   not a lot at and I don't know what a how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:59   common the you know add to playlist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   know the plus hamburger thing and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:04   star thing are or even the shit like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   have enough room to actually use that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   bar as a place to highlight new features [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:11   in 4.0 or whatever as they come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:15   and I think it's important to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:16   moment like that and burying it under [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   info or putting on the now playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   screeching halt much worse this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   merely a question of and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   understand how this is spun out into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:24   giant big thing is this is such a minor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   thing like this is not a problem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   the application at all it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   it's a problem with my thumb still doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   a thing and I'm just exploring why it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   might do that is to continue to provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:36   affordances for the tiny amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:38   people who who are used to or their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:42   thumbs are used to doing a certain thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   in a way that doesn't attract it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   from the increased discoverability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   provided by the little bar if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49   arguing against the bar entirely to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   back to the old way I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:52   probably doesn't have been using the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   long enough because when i first started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:55   using with a little bar to it feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   weird you used to using overcast for at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:58   this point like 10 years right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   use the tapping to play a thing and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   tap the play thing in the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:03   doesn't start playing that's something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:07   got used to and it's not as if the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   type doesn't do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:11   the first step reveals the bar so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:12   not like with swiping where the swiping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   just literally does nothing does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   give you any progress towards your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   delete action you're trying to perform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:18   tapping reveals the bar you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:21   visual cue that there's something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   that you have to do and usually i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   doing playlist anyway so just playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:25   one after the other so it's not a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:26   deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27   yeah I again I until this podcast did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   not even consider the idea of leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:31   the swine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32   buttons in and also leaving the bar in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   so I i actually I'm gonna go to see if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:37   can do that easily without massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   horrible side effects because of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:40   table you abuse that you have in the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   1i don't even know if you had this did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   you have the mail style SuperDuper swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   it was like three buttons over there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   yeah I had that like where you go all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:50   the way to the end just deletes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:51   oh no that was never made available it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   male always that whatever tableview male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:56   uses always gets cool features like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:59   before they're available in the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:00   API so like like they they had the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   action buttons there for I think an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   entire iOS version before it was easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   do that you do that with other ways and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   and then they later once they gave us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   the API to make those action buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:12   then mail got the ability to have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:14   full drag all the way across four delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   and I've I don't they ever made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:17   available to anybody but that's a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   feature i hope it doesn't come to table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   views because it's it's definitely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   they were getting into the realm of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:24   not expert features but features that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   hopefully never bother anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   if you don't know they exist but once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   you know they exist it becomes like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:33   addictive to be able to goshen just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   know knockout think the only thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:36   don't like about that feature is that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:38   you swipe up if you swipe mail messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2198">TS</a>]

00:36:41   left there's an unread option is on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   side which does anything like you swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:44   hard enough and just mark and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   that's cool if you swipe it right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:48   have that super mode where if you try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   far enough to just delete it and if and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:52   far most button is trash but the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   two buttons that offers are more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:56   flag and so if you're opening that menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2216">TS</a>]

00:37:00   in order to flag the message that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:03   of the opposite of putting in the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:04   but if you drag just very slightly too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:07   far and open the message up to delete it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   yeah it's it's a fine line with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   the swiping well it's it's a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:13   decision like to me i think that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   everything that's not trash should be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   the other direction swipe menu if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:19   they're gonna do that but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:20   going to have this all the way swipe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   gesture because it's too easy to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   destructive action when you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   do flag or more i have the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   problem where i guess im to lazy with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   the swipe and I wanted to delete it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   it didn't quite go far enough and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   to give a second attempt on it but i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:37   see the opposite being church with is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:38   definitely with anything gestural that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:41   that's the good thing about the bathroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42   i just really feel so good when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   right but you get it's like game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   controlling the video game you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:46   little bit wrong and because it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:49   precise thing because it is inherently a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2269">TS</a>]

00:37:51   fuzzy thing it's really difficult to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   sort of the you know the control scheme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:54   just right for everybody and everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   a little bit different as opposed to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   much more analytical world of pointers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:01   and mouse control and how big targets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:03   have to be you can it it's easier to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   measure that is generally a more precise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   thing although you know you mean you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   the basics here for the little bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:11   trashes far away from the play button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:14   play is not all out a lasting traction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   all around the right because the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:17   is easier to hit the edges of the screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:18   like it's even you know that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:21   you've just described about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:22   ergonomics of where items are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   relation to each other and how easy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:25   is to accidently is revealed in the bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   don't think you can maybe argue about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   whether the center is appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   play but i think it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:34   yeah yeah I'd that i don't i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   i would hear any arguments about that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   think it again it's like it's like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   you think about where where else would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:41   you put these things like it you come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   pretty similar conclusions i think with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   a lot of this stuff anyway so yeah i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   look into the double gesture thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   because that that that does make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50   sense i do want to address though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   the whole like you know Hague adherence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   to standards everything else as as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:58   gospel at apple and and for those who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   don't know his the human interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   guidelines it's been a document apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:04   has published forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   I and they revise it over time with new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:08   os's and a new you know new knowledge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   but basically it's like how it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:13   the standards for how your interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   should look at work and be laid out it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   for apples platforms over the years has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   always been to debate over the hague and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:21   whether it's okay to violate it went ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:24   to violate it and it's I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   similar to like rules of grammar for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:29   poetry you know I think it's like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   allowed to violate the heck if you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:33   you know what you're doing and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:36   basically or you know like it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:38   the set in stone thing it and apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:41   violates the hague all the time with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:43   their own apps like the they blatantly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   violated and they don't care because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   they think they know better and in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51   cases that's true i am a developer for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:55   years I said I'm not a designer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   and when it became clear to me that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   was doing the vast majority of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   design in my apps i stop saying that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:06   think now no matter what anyone else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   says I think of myself as an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:11   developer and designer combo in one even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   though I'm not as good at the design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   part of them the development part I now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   do both of those rules i think that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   now have a good enough design sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:23   I I can judge or I I can kind of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:28   some leeway in deciding when to break a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:31   standard rule and it doesn't always work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:33   sometimes after all back I have lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   crazy ideas and make them are awful but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   i think i now have earned myself the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:41   right to break rules sometimes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:44   the fact is in order to do good design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   and especially order to move things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:48   forward you have to break the rules the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:51   rules were never written to be gospel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   they were never written to be here two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:54   hundred percent at as soon as any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   version of the pig is published Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   already has apps out there that violated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   all over the place because the hey guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:04   it's kind of like using stock UI kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   controls with stock themes on them it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   like you can do that for most people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   that's a reasonable default that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   good starting place if you aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:15   confident whether you can break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   rules you should just do that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:18   that's that's fine but it's also nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:22   have apps that don't follow all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:23   rules they push things forward or they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   do things differently and that is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   progress made and that is often it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:31   often is necessary to result in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   overall better designer better more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   usable app yeah you know I think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:40   is that to me the best user interface is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:43   one you don't have to think about right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:44   the in it just feels frictionless that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47   that things are where you expect them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   be as an example as an unrelated example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   in in my car I feel like everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:57   where I expected to be even within I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   Drive which a lot of people hate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   makes sense to my brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:04   maybe it doesn't to yours or to whomever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   is what makes sense to me into the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   and eat like I said the best user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:09   interfaces when you don't think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   and the moment I have to think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   that user interface about how I ain't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   accomplish a task then I'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:18   experiencing friction and I'm taken out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   of the moment of what i'm trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   and we were beat me up a lot about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:26   yo swipe to delete thing because I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   think i speak for John and saying my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   natural gut reaction is to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   immediately swipe and then i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   think wait no no this is a place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:38   Oh what do I do oh yeah I tap and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:41   tap again well that's fine it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   guy can't work the way I expected to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   that doesn't really negate anything you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:49   said about how the big isn't it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:53   laws its guidelines you know a was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:56   stupid movie part of the Caribbean style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   but I don't know it takes someone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:03   very confident and with a lot of skill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   like you had said to violate it in ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   that make sense like somebody in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   chatroom I already lost it was noted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   that pole to refresh wasn't in the hague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   and that's a perfect example of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   something that wasn't in the human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:18   interface guidelines but just made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:19   freakin sense and and that was a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   choice but other times i think you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:26   to be very confident and very very sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   you're right in order to get away with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:30   violating it I think that the Higgs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   changed over the years time for me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:34   more old man stuff here when you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:38   talk about the heck you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   like the umpteenth iteration in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   modern era I know you guys started with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   apple before iOS but not much before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   like three years before something right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:48   the human interface guidelines used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:50   be very very different than they than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   they are now one thing that they shared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   as the thing that you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   Casey in the beginning part of what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:59   revolutionary about both the mac and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:01   human interface guidelines that came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02   along with it is the South the selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   point of the mac and a selling point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:06   the graphical user interface was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   will be a standard set of controls and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   standard guidelines for how to use them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   so that if you learned how to use one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   program on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:15   Mac you can go to another program and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18   reuse a lot of those skills because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   would also have a menu bar with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   pull-down menus it also use the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   command keys for things would also have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:24   windows with the button at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:26   confirmation but on the right in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:27   cancel button on the left and all you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:29   know the whole nine yards interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:31   consistency which was a revolutionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:33   and novel thing in an age when on das [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   use word star and it had absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   nothing in its interface in common with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   wordperfect or whatever some other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:42   contemporary even though they're both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:43   word processors they didn't copy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   paste Texas and within format the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   way that the same menu structure to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:48   and keys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:49   it was like I know WordStar can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   transfer those skills over to it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:53   could transfer your basic skills of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:54   knowing where the keys are in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2694">TS</a>]

00:44:55   keyboard and maybe if you're lucky that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:58   they shared something about how their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   interface work but they rapidly diverge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   whereas you use Microsoft Word or mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   right is you know some of the menus for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   the same there was a font menu is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   font sizing the fact that was menu bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:12   at all like that and just in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   using anything on the Mac you were able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   to take the skills that you learn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   build on them to more rapidly get up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   speed and other updates that's the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   point of the interface guidelines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:24   the way the document was different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   is that especially in the beginning it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   did way way less of explaining to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   how things should look for what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   should do and way way more of explaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   the reasoning behind it do this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:41   your whatever is because and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:43   explain the philosophy behind it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:45   very often that philosophy had had more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   of a foundation on you know user testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   stuff look at The Hague today even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:53   just the first like aqua big for for Mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:56   os10 so much of it is about how big the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:59   border should be between items like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   mean this is even talk about like sighs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   minimum size of touch targets but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:04   like this is how you should lay out your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:05   dialogue this is how far away buttons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:07   label should be from their fields and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2767">TS</a>]

00:46:09   buttons should be from there whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:10   this is how to hold this should be and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   this is how much padding that should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:12   all things like that's all great and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   should totally have that interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:15   builder should do it for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   automatically which they added you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   like that's all fine but that does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   tell me why and that is how things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:23   should look which is related to how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   work very often in terms of the size of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:28   of touch targets and readability and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   labels that are aligned this way easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:32   to scan all the stuff but there's less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:35   of the less of the philosophy lesson of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:38   like let me just complain explain to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   concepts and here are some guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41   but now you see these guidelines see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   here's the concepts that that they flow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:45   out of and when you're provided with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   concepts and actually given more free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   rein in the old days to say follow these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   these concepts in your custom interfaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:55   and yours will feel like ours rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:57   than saying just use our controls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   because that's the only way you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:00   possibly do this the new ones feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   like make your applications look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   ours down to the pixel use our standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   controls and we were really explain to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:11   the reasons why is why is this alignment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   or the spacing beneficial why should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   phrase the words in the dialogue in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   manner whether it's imperative why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   should use verbs or buttons or why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   should you know like the whole lot why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   should you not use differently styled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   text and you know they were used to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   reasons for it they would say when our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:27   testing we found you put a bunch of old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:28   words and dialogue that's all people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   read so don't make bold words make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   everything in the same consistent fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:33   just making this up this is not a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   thing but like to explain the reasoning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   behind things that I feel like has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:39   lacking and because that's lacking I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   feel like the human interface guidelines [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   for iOS and for the mac are way less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:46   authoritative now in terms of how how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:51   developers should take them like just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   because it's in the hague that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   one other persons are a couple other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   people's ideas and it's important for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:58   you to know what they expect from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2878">TS</a>]

00:47:59   from construction from consistent for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   the sake of consistency with the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   applications but they're not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   explain their reasoning and you suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:06   that you might have a better way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   you're much more likely today to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   actually have a better way then you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   back in the old days where a nobody knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   anything and be Apple do so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   than everybody else because developers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   were coming up on the first time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   happily said put many many years into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   and they were you know the world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   leading experts on making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:26   consumer-facing personal computer gooeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   for a very long time and they would they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   would show their work they would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:32   here's why here's why we're doing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:33   this stuff and you really go well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   makes sense and if they said they did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37   bunch of user testing you have a user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   experience lab for you to test this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   I have you hey product resident from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44   that from the jobs error was seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:47   he was much less of a fan of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   the scientific method and user testing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   and much more of a fan of using his gut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   and it's got was pretty good but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   sometimes you got like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   stretch-leather and stuff so yeah anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:59   uh oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00   all this is to say that I have you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:04   I i put much less take in the end apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   human interface guidelines now than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   did many decades ago but the guideline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:12   that you know that the the guiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13   principle i think every developer uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:15   who's making their applications is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:19   try to make it fit in with what the user [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   expects again like if you made a mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   application and you didn't have a menu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:24   bar or you're like the file and edit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   menus were in the opposite order even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   you think you have a really good reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:30   it's probably not a good idea but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   want to put different items in your file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   menu as long as quick as at the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:35   if you're really old that's where used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   to be everybody is always quit the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   bottom people are okay with your shotgun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   and a few other items and when and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   know third-party applications like Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:45   said push the interface story because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   the Apple can't cover all your possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   scenario so photoshop starts doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   something and photoshop does it for 25 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   years eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   well that's in the human interface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:55   guidelines not if you're making graphics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   application it would be a good idea for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/2996">TS</a>]

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00:57:03   so you see the more so I don't bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:06   itself out anyway so I decided that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   was no longer interested in running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   Google AdMob ads for lots of different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:11   reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   quality of the ads low revenue those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   major factors but also as i talked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:18   the blog post a little bit here I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:19   I i'm no longer very comfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:22   embedding closed-source add libraries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   into my appt from ad companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   I think as a developer you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   conscious of that there has to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:32   really good reason if you to embed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:33   someone else's clothes source code and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:35   your app because that can do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   and it's on you like that that can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   access all of your user data whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:41   users that are doing with the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   whatever they are entering into the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   that code has complete access to it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   code can get you in trouble with apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:49   that code can do things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   prohibited that code can require you to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   have all these advertising disclaimers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:56   that that your user see or that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:57   preview sees that can get you in trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   with a preview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:00   there's all and there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   stuff like baggage that you sign up for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   when you are adding someone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:07   clothes source code to your app and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:10   after there had to be a really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:11   good reason for that recipe in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   I no longer had a good reason the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:15   reason I didn't remember what i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   was the only option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:18   the option between that and going out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   business basically and so I took that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   option but then the business model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   changed and the environment change you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   know that all happened in September then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   November happened then January happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   it's a different world now and so now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   I'm I i basically this thing alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   well now let me see you know what can i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   do myself because it and because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:43   google ads made so little money for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:47   and i canít people other people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:49   more success with google ads that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:51   I don't want to like say that they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   work for anybody because they obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   worked for lots of people but my my tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:59   through rate was awful lot like and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:02   most of like you have basically how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   money you make depends extremely heavily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   on your tap through rate and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   lots of reasons for that none of which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:10   was willing to fix like so there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:12   for example if you want a day if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15   want to make more money you should put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   the ad somewhere people are more likely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   to accidentally tap them i'm not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   to do that you should have the ads on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   every screen of your app or more screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:25   of your app but I wasn't doing that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   had the only lists screens before they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:28   were too big for now playing you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:31   enable things like animated banners I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   didn't want to do that because a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:35   like those pay better you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:36   there's all sorts of things that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:37   do to make ads work better that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:40   unwilling to do so it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   entirely add mobs fault that I had such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   a bad experience it was just my app and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   my you know strict requirements for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   he knows what I could stomach and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   want to do anyway I decided you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   since AdMob ads were making so little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:54   for me i could replace them with pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3594">TS</a>]

00:59:57   much anything and it probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   much anything and it probably wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   negatively affect my business so because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   like the main risk with with running my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   own ads is what if no one buys them what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08   if it turns out they're really hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:09   sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:10   I wish they might be you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:11   aren't podcast as their display ads and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:13   display ads are hard to sell right now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16   only have very very limited data right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   now with you know these trial partners i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:21   have now in there but you know I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:24   idea even what kind of views or tap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:28   through rates or subscription rates that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   they're going to get in like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:32   months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:32   you know right now it's all over when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:33   everyone's looking at him and poking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34   them and and seeing what they're like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   the data right now is nice but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:37   really representative probably so i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:41   no idea how they're gonna perform but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42   the fact is i am way happier with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   they're totally under my control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   there is no weird closed source code go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50   into the world's biggest advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:51   company it is just completely my appt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   doing my thing the way I designed it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:56   under my control the privacy of them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:59   great because i don't want anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   because I don't want any of your data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   like I don't think I want the least data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:05   I can possibly get from you to make my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:06   have work if you if you ever are curious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:10   what I call it read the privacy policy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:11   and overcast it's very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   human-readable I wrote it all it's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   know it's very very clear and so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:19   much happier with the setup now and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   what the setup is is my own ads they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:25   show in a plane screen and in the ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3685">TS</a>]

01:01:28   podcast screen the ad unit can show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   either ads for websites apps in the App [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:34   Store or podcasts and overcast and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   so you can actually advertise for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   podcast in the podcast app and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   tap these ads it brings up the sheet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   that is just the overcast add podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   screen the standard screen and show it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:47   has all the episodes in it they all have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:49   all the buttons the casey and John hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   with you know you can you can add to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:52   queue you can you know you can subscribe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   there you can download whatever else and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:55   so it's all this the standard native [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   interface i don't know how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   podcasters are going to be willing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02   pay for ads long-term i can tell you i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   have an inbox full of emails from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   podcasters who are interested right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   that i am having a very hard time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   answering all once however I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   there's tons of interest right now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:15   you know once you get into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:16   nitty-gritty of like you know getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:18   people to actually commit and to pay you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:21   everything changes so i have no idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   what's going to be like a long-term but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   the fact is I don't need to sell very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:28   many ads to make more than i was making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   before and even if i make less than was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:33   making before as long as people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   subscribing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   I'm still fine so I think I made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:40   right move it also on the same by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   same logic and for all the same reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:43   i also in this update removed the fabric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:47   analytics from the absolute there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:48   more third-party analytic services [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   either all I do now is I have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:53   very basic analytics class that I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3773">TS</a>]

01:02:56   myself that just log some very basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   information and it can be used to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   things like what you're describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   earlier John about like a measuring how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   many people use the delete button or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   whatever it out whatever you were asking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   about I can do something that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   I'm measuring almost nothing in the app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   I talked a little about the radar this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   week the short version there is a data [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:14   analytics for a while now with fabric [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   and I found some actionable things from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:19   it but most of the I was collecting was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:21   neither useful more actionable I i find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:25   analytics are great too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:26   like when you have a specific question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   trying to answer so like when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   developing a guy i was curious a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:34   back and maybe a year ago now so i added [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   analytics for what type of output device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:41   people were listening on and i learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   from that that a lot of people use the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   built-in speaker way more than I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   and so that's why I did the voice boost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   optimized speaker profile for the iphone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51   speaker because it was I realize like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:54   wow a lot of people who is this is worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   focusing attention on i also learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   during times of that like at major parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   of the watch act like you didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   use the watch app what features of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   watch app do they use like they actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   go to the force touch menu by the way no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:08   difficult to do they actually like ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:11   use the buttons on order mostly using it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14   to read information and as a glance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   answer yes so I learned stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:20   but I can do that myself with very basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   analytics like I don't need everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:25   that a full-blown analytics package [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/3865">TS</a>]

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01:18:59   details but it's something like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4739">TS</a>]

01:19:01   don't make men use their real names or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:05   anything like that about 5% of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:09   think that they have any room to grow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4749">TS</a>]

01:19:11   with regard to like relations to women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:13   or other minority groups and guess what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:16   like all of us are problem i like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   think of myself as relatively woke in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:20   this department and I'm a damn problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:21   like i don't get this right all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:22   and oh god the the utter overwhelming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4762">TS</a>]

01:19:27   self-confidence that that these over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:32   employees have shown not the women that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   the men in an HR is just preposterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   like oh my god I just I can't believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:42   that this is a thing and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:43   continue going on now since this blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   post travis kalanick alec is that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:48   name so the CEO whoever he is has to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:53   credit I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:54   taking a pretty strong stance on this in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:58   that he's taking it as true he's taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:01   it as evidence that there's a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:03   problem but I don't know man it's pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   like everyone is known that Hoover's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:08   really freaking slimy and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:10   freakin ways and now is when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4810">TS</a>]

01:20:11   finally jumping on board and being like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13   oh you know maybe we have something to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:14   change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:15   it's just this whole situation is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   so freakin gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:18   yeah i mean that's like the CEOs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   these situations always act so surprised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   i had no idea this was going on there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25   okay like that's either complete BS or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:28   you were really doing a bad job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   looking at your own company for very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   different things that should be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:34   common sense like something something is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36   wrong seriously wrong here like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:39   it's not like the evil HR department is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4839">TS</a>]

01:20:42   the cause of this know like the HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   department is in service to the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:48   the HR department it like it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   anybody's friend it's not like a third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   party you know judge system HR their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:56   main role is to prevent the company from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4856">TS</a>]

01:20:59   getting sued and to mitigate risks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4859">TS</a>]

01:21:01   might cause that this HR department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   isn't even doing that job well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:05   like so many parts of this company this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   edge our department is terrible at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   even at its ostensible job not even that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12   it's like theoretical job and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14   world right but like the the point like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:16   the HR department job is to protect the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18   company from its employees that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   literally their job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   yeah if the HR department is is being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   directed or being incentivized to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:27   horrible things by the people who run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:29   the company they're going to do horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   things and it should come as no surprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:34   that i'm i'm pretty sure it's BS that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:37   did come as a surprise i'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:38   that this was no surprise it should come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   as no surprise to the CEO of a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   that horrible stuff goes on in HR when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:47   he himself seems to be a pretty horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   person from the little bit that I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   and the company does lots of horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   things and has a complete culture of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:57   being horrible and toxic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   disrespectful of everyone including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:01   especially women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03   this is not the first time they've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:04   problems with problems with women in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4924">TS</a>]

01:22:06   particular like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:08   it's not the first one not by a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:10   shot and so this his whole thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4930">TS</a>]

01:22:14   i'm shocked i'm gonna you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   investigators immediately that's BS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:17   that's complete BS like yeah so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:20   believe that for a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:21   none of this should be forgiven and none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   of it should be isolated to a couple bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:26   apples in the HR department because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4946">TS</a>]

01:22:28   not that it's it's a deep-rooted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:30   cultural problem systemic failure it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32   absolutely a systemic failure and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:34   comes right from the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:36   it comes right from the top but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:37   why this is such a great example like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   very very often people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:40   steeped in these issues don't spend all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42   the time you know we're reading about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:44   them what ever hear the phrase [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:45   institutional underscore institutional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:48   sexism institutional bias or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   and it seems like a buzz or anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   that doesn't make any sense but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   reasonable working definition is based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   on examples like this where you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   yourself in a situation where there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:02   there is some kind of institution or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4982">TS</a>]

01:23:03   authority that structure could be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:05   government but it could also be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:06   company that you work for which even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:07   though it is not the government it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:09   is it a you know at an organizational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4989">TS</a>]

01:23:11   structure with authority over your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4991">TS</a>]

01:23:13   that you work within for as long as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:15   decide you want to work there and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:18   this case as in so many other cases in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:20   many other companies you know forever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5000">TS</a>]

01:23:22   and ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:23   the institution has certain attitudes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:29   towards whatever you might be whether be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:31   minorities are older people or women or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5011">TS</a>]

01:23:34   whatever and those those policies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5014">TS</a>]

01:23:38   and biases and views come through in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:41   rules that govern everybody else so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:44   have an HR department that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:46   functioning well in its role as Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   described it to protect the company from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   its people you know part of this it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:53   at like HR like any other part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5033">TS</a>]

01:23:54   company's supposed to make the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:57   more successful so if there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   problematic employee HR has to deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:02   that that employees doing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:04   could get the company sued it is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   company and hrs best interest to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08   that problem and the most reasonable way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:12   to solve it is to try to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   company a place where people want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:16   work and that usually means taking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:18   toxic person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:19   you know disciplining them are getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5059">TS</a>]

01:24:21   rid of them right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22   it becomes much more difficult when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   person is high up in the organization or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:26   as they say in this thing is a high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:28   performer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:29   yeah and that person is valuable to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5069">TS</a>]

01:24:31   company right right right but but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:33   know there is that the larger value to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:35   the company but anyway these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:36   institutions have control over many of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5076">TS</a>]

01:24:39   these employees lives for as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5079">TS</a>]

01:24:40   they work at the company and yes it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   always optional it just get another job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:44   someplace else but the thing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:45   institutional sexism or any other sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5085">TS</a>]

01:24:48   of institutional biases it's not always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:51   clear and it very often is not the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   and it's very difficult to tell that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:54   i were to leave this tech job and go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:56   a different tech job will that company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   have better attitudes towards you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:01   what whatever my thing is but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   minorities or women or maybe maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   like that that's a selling point of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:07   company but if you're in this control is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   a it's not that easy to change jobs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:10   be if you're within this control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:12   structure these these policies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5112">TS</a>]

01:25:15   attitudes and the things that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   happen to you uh seem like an injustice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:20   because they are injustice because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:24   view the the authority of the company as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:28   the arbiter of that you know the rules [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:32   of play within the company it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:33   if people are getting murdered right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   it's not it's not the most part usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36   not a criminal type of thing it is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:38   are the rules as set out and if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:40   are any violation of the rules or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:43   violation of what I think should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:44   norms there is an authority that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   appeal to whether it be my manager my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   manager's manager at the HR department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   whatever it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:51   for example he found in an error in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:53   payroll like you know you got paid the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:55   wrong amount you go to the payroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:56   department and in a functioning company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   the payroll department job is to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:00   sure that everybody gets paid the amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:02   they're supposed to be paid and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:03   there's an error and you brought to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:04   payroll department if the institution is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:07   functioning correctly they would correct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:10   the error or tell you that is not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:12   error because they did some weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:13   with taxes that they would then explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:14   to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:15   that's the function of the payroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:16   department think anybody would argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:17   with like a you know like it would seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:20   like an injustice if you found your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5180">TS</a>]

01:26:21   missing hundred bucks on your paycheck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:22   and you brought to the payroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24   department of the institution that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:26   are in and they didn't correct that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   error tried to tell you that you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29   your math wrong or said well it's only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   its first time we made this mistake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:33   don't worry about it like that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5193">TS</a>]

01:26:35   feel like an injustice even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   know it it's just a payroll department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   the company work and if you don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:40   it get another job right that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:41   whole attitude you here but it is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   injustice because that's what the fuck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   that thing is positive so if the company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:47   says all we were all inclusive employer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:49   and we love everybody and you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:51   certainly don't condone sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   harassment which any company will take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:54   it will say if you ask them hey company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   X you can on sexual harassment they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:57   all say they don't write so it's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   stated policy not to so this happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:02   you in a company in any company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04   stage is going to say that and you take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:07   this thing to the authority of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:08   institution that you are working within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:10   and you say hey HR department were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:12   supposed to be a company in which people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:15   don't get sexually harassed it's my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5235">TS</a>]

01:27:16   first day of my job and my boss was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:18   propositioning me for sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   here you go it's on a silver platter now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   HR do do your job as stated you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:25   like it's and again it's not as if like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   I'm expecting a charter to protect me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   they should be protecting the company by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:31   having someone like this in it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:33   it's against their state of policy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5253">TS</a>]

01:27:35   it's bad for business period the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:38   reason you wouldn't do that if is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5258">TS</a>]

01:27:40   there is institutional bias and sexism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:42   from the highest levels to say actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5262">TS</a>]

01:27:45   the strategy want to take here is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5265">TS</a>]

01:27:47   sweep that under the carpet to shuffle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5267">TS</a>]

01:27:50   the victim off someplace else to put the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   blame on them to to give them an option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   like well you can either stay in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:55   manner but he's gonna give you a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:57   performance review because we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:58   to totally tell him that you reported [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5278">TS</a>]

01:27:59   him and if he does give you a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:01   performance review [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:01   you really only have yourself to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5281">TS</a>]

01:28:03   for report like I'm not making this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:04   reading the thing this is what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:05   happening in the company you really only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   have yourself to blame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:08   and because we did give you the option [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:10   to transfer someplace else and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:11   employers like but but this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   department i want to be in this is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:14   my skills that lies in my transfer have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:16   to learn your thing like well we gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:17   you a choice or you just quit your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   like they don't mention that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:21   always an option right you always just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5301">TS</a>]

01:28:22   quit your job but she had skills that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5302">TS</a>]

01:28:25   were a perfect fit for the job that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:27   was in she enjoyed doing it technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5307">TS</a>]

01:28:29   she liked some of the people she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5309">TS</a>]

01:28:30   working with there's just one niggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:32   problem right hunt being sexually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:34   harassed at work so she ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   transferring to a different apartment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:36   which is painful and did what like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5316">TS</a>]

01:28:38   just it's such a terrible story of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:41   inno and then she had problems there as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   well and other issues and she would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:44   bring them to HR and they would do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5324">TS</a>]

01:28:45   same thing and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:46   about all the other people this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:48   institutional sexism where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:50   institution is working against her she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:52   has a reasonable expectation according [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:54   to state policies of the company that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5334">TS</a>]

01:28:55   the people whose job it is to be the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5335">TS</a>]

01:28:57   the referees for this area just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5337">TS</a>]

01:29:00   payroll department the referee for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5340">TS</a>]

01:29:01   much you get paid are failing to act and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:05   that is like the definition of injustice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:06   and when it's an institution its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5346">TS</a>]

01:29:08   definition of institutional sexism and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:10   you can expand that out any institution [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:11   you want whether it be your family unit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:14   at the smallest institution where maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5354">TS</a>]

01:29:15   everyone in your family takes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   wife should stay at home with their kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:18   all way up to the government with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5358">TS</a>]

01:29:20   policies that are you know biased in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5360">TS</a>]

01:29:23   one direction other against people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5363">TS</a>]

01:29:25   are minorities or people who are women [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:27   which is the opposite of a minority and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:30   so that that's what's maddening to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5370">TS</a>]

01:29:33   this the reason you know the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5373">TS</a>]

01:29:34   social justice movement and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5374">TS</a>]

01:29:37   pejorative sjw that's used the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:41   they have the word justice in them is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5381">TS</a>]

01:29:42   because all of them derived from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:44   recognition that every large grouping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5384">TS</a>]

01:29:47   organizational structure has you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5387">TS</a>]

01:29:51   has your behavior as an overall organism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:55   that is it emerges from the attitudes of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5395">TS</a>]

01:29:58   the people running it and despite what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5398">TS</a>]

01:30:01   people may say it's pretty easy to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04   out if you're in a situation where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:06   institution is working against you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:09   where the supposed places you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:12   resolve whatever issues you have whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5412">TS</a>]

01:30:15   it's a discrepancy in your paycheck or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17   someone violating what you think is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18   HR policy if those institutions fail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:22   act or actively work against you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:25   feels like and is an injustice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   that's what people are fighting against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29   you know and i think that the payroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:31   analogy is the one that probably works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5431">TS</a>]

01:30:34   because most people think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35   no-brainer like they understand the role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   the payroll department and if they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:38   get paid the money they were promised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:40   that is an injustice but you you apply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   the exact same thing to other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:43   like well he's a really nice guy he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5443">TS</a>]

01:30:46   really important in the company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   can't just change to a different place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:50   because like like it just boggles my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:54   mind that any modern company like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:55   things would ever happen is almost sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5455">TS</a>]

01:30:57   fantastical but then you'll hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5457">TS</a>]

01:30:59   same story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5459">TS</a>]

01:31:00   from tons like to talk to women that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5460">TS</a>]

01:31:02   know who worked in large companies for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5462">TS</a>]

01:31:03   any part of their career you'll hear the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:05   same stories everywhere and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5465">TS</a>]

01:31:07   another clue to you that this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08   institutional thing it's not just uber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:09   that whoever is a bad company over is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5469">TS</a>]

01:31:11   the one bad apple everybody else is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   it is everywhere it is systemic is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:16   societal it is cultural it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18   institutional that's that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:19   definition and that's why the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:22   like this is depressing because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24   matter what uber does a is probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:26   going to change uber because i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5486">TS</a>]

01:31:29   changed by now they're probably never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5489">TS</a>]

01:31:30   will and B it's not going to solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:33   problem and all the other places the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5493">TS</a>]

01:31:34   only way you can fix it systemically is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   with systemic solutions and cultural [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:37   change and all the stuff that takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39   really long time and it's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41   to do and that's why stories like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:43   are very depressing and since since this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5503">TS</a>]

01:31:47   original blog post was written and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:49   just the last few hours we record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:51   somebody's tweeted will put a link to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5511">TS</a>]

01:31:52   that a hundred and eighteen people have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:55   resigned or given their notice since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57   yesterday which i guess is tuesday it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5517">TS</a>]

01:32:00   was within the last couple days is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:01   really what it amounts to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5521">TS</a>]

01:32:02   and that was only in San Francisco this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   is that over in San Francisco like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   that's a lot of people hundred twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   people and and you know III power to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:11   man if you are willing to to stand up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:15   for this in and say I cannot be a part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:18   of this anymore like here again like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:21   like to think of myself as reasonably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:22   woke but if I mean I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5542">TS</a>]

01:32:24   would have the the gumption to just walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:26   away from my job that's putting food on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:28   my table like that's awesome and I men [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:31   or women you know it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   whoever whoever these hundred eighteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:34   people are good for you that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5554">TS</a>]

01:32:36   tremendous that you put your money where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:39   your mouth is and and yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   emphasize enough like I see it from time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:43   to time at my work and I and i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:48   even necessarily like I don't have my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:50   antenna up if you will to like search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   for it i just see it from time to time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:53   and I try to do my best to correct it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:56   when it happens but this stuff happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:58   everywhere it's not unique to San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5578">TS</a>]

01:32:59   Francisco it's not unique to offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:01   although over seems to be excelling in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:03   this department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:04   it's everywhere and and it's up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:07   everyone but particularly those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5587">TS</a>]

01:33:10   who are not up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:12   dressed like the three of us to give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5592">TS</a>]

01:33:16   credence to the stories of those who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5596">TS</a>]

01:33:19   to pay attention to the stories of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:22   who are and to try to fix or speak for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:26   or really even better give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:28   microphone to which is comical since i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5608">TS</a>]

01:33:30   talking into a microphone now and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5610">TS</a>]

01:33:32   doing this but anyway give the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   microphone to someone who is depressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:35   and and who didn't allow them to speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5615">TS</a>]

01:33:38   for themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5618">TS</a>]

01:33:39   the other thing i like about this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5619">TS</a>]

01:33:41   is I think it does a good job of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:43   explaining why someone might stay in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5623">TS</a>]

01:33:45   job like this happens because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:47   always the reactions like well just quit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5627">TS</a>]

01:33:48   if you don't like it just quit right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   there are mitigating factors one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:53   which maybe you really like the work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:55   you're doing and it's technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5635">TS</a>]

01:33:57   interesting and you are you know growing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5637">TS</a>]

01:33:59   your skills and maybe even like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:01   people you work with right you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5641">TS</a>]

01:34:03   very possible to be in a company whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:05   institutions are failing you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5645">TS</a>]

01:34:07   nevertheless you you enjoy your peers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5647">TS</a>]

01:34:09   and employees maybe you enjoy your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5649">TS</a>]

01:34:11   direct manager but you know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5651">TS</a>]

01:34:13   don't takes one bad person and then 11 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:17   non-functioning institution to fail to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:20   you know to fail to do its job to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   protect the company from toxic employees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:25   like this to you know like your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:27   retention is part of the job of HR 100 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   people quit because something like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   that you are not doing its job right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   it's like why does she stay in this job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   i think this this article has a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   description of why someone but why it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:38   not just like oh well someone you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:41   said something you know Lou to me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5681">TS</a>]

01:34:44   therefore i got to quit the next day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:45   if you don't quit the next day it's your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:46   own fault right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:47   that's a ridiculous thing like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   are more complicated than just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51   they're not you know it's not just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   thing right and so that's why this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   is like reflecting on a very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   year like it is very even-handed and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5697">TS</a>]

01:35:00   think when you read it you can see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   excitement of working for a company will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   help with a lot of VC money doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:05   interesting technical stuff with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5705">TS</a>]

01:35:07   that you enjoy and expanding your skills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5707">TS</a>]

01:35:08   and generally having a career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5708">TS</a>]

01:35:10   the thing that most people get to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:11   like and that is that is the tension do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5711">TS</a>]

01:35:13   you want to have a career or your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5713">TS</a>]

01:35:15   career going to be sending reports HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:18   every time someone does something that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:19   you just like I should have to choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:21   between those two things like can't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:23   have a career and not be sexually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5723">TS</a>]

01:35:25   arrested that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:26   not even an option on the table I'm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:28   so it makes people have these ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:31   choices like well it's not really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:34   bad is it and I guess I'll just tolerate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5734">TS</a>]

01:35:37   it and I just keep reporting it to HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:39   may be able to do something eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:40   and it's just it's not a healthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5740">TS</a>]

01:35:42   situation but like the expectation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:47   everything is your fault if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:50   immediately storm out and quit the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5750">TS</a>]

01:35:53   time someone does something you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5753">TS</a>]

01:35:54   like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5754">TS</a>]

01:35:55   otherwise like it as the HR department [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:57   well it's really your own fault that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5757">TS</a>]

01:35:59   point he's going to give you negative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5759">TS</a>]

01:36:00   performance review but you can't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:01   blame the guy right and I mean like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5761">TS</a>]

01:36:04   might have been over a lot of people's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:05   lines but it really depends on what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5765">TS</a>]

01:36:08   state you are in your career and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:09   much you know the world and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11   what capacity you have to leave your job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:13   at that moment and how excited you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5773">TS</a>]

01:36:15   to be able to work in this thing is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5775">TS</a>]

01:36:18   well it's just that one bad person and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:19   working doing different department i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:20   want to deal with them but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:21   always people work you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5781">TS</a>]

01:36:22   deal with and if you lived your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24   life as a woman in virtually any culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:26   in the entire history of the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:28   you are sadly very used to dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:31   people crapping on you and treating you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5791">TS</a>]

01:36:33   badly and so have probably internalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:36   some notion that this is a thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5796">TS</a>]

01:36:38   you have to tolerate to get ahead in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5798">TS</a>]

01:36:39   world and and sadly you're also probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:41   kind of write about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5801">TS</a>]

01:36:43   I'm so that's that's like I think we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45   give people reading this thing will give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:48   people a better idea of what of what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:51   might be like to be in the situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   why you might not do all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:55   I'm assuming people down in the comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5815">TS</a>]

01:36:56   are screaming that this person was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5816">TS</a>]

01:36:58   supposed to do just you know run out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:00   with your hair on fire at the first sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5820">TS</a>]

01:37:02   of anything going wrong which honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5822">TS</a>]

01:37:04   might have actually been the better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5824">TS</a>]

01:37:06   choice indicated a goober butt is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5826">TS</a>]

01:37:10   realistic thing to demand of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5830">TS</a>]

01:37:12   otherwise they somehow lose their right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5832">TS</a>]

01:37:13   to justice and somehow lose their lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:16   their expectation of being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5836">TS</a>]

01:37:18   functioning institution that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5838">TS</a>]

01:37:19   hate them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:20   yeah it's just ridiculous it in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5840">TS</a>]

01:37:22   again I know I said it before but truly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   it is worth your time to read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   entire post it is extremely well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   thought-out and extremely mature and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   just spells out the facts the way Susan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:32   saw them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5852">TS</a>]

01:37:33   and I believe every word of it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:37   mean even if even hypothetically if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5857">TS</a>]

01:37:39   was you know laced with BS which again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:42   i truly do not believe this this to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5862">TS</a>]

01:37:46   sounds like something that absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5866">TS</a>]

01:37:47   could have happened and maybe and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5867">TS</a>]

01:37:50   if it if it didn't happen to me now to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   bend over but this this is stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:53   happens every day and I don't see it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:56   i wanna i wanna I'm trying to in part by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5876">TS</a>]

01:37:59   talking to the three of you and anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:01   else that's listening or two of you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5881">TS</a>]

01:38:03   i can count it's late we but it i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5883">TS</a>]

01:38:06   trying to to open my eyes wider to these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5886">TS</a>]

01:38:09   sorts of things and be more aware of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5889">TS</a>]

01:38:11   them and and try to figure out how I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5891">TS</a>]

01:38:13   react appropriately in these situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5893">TS</a>]

01:38:16   but golly this is this is just bananas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5896">TS</a>]

01:38:19   and in i am there's also an opportunity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5899">TS</a>]

01:38:22   for people at their jobs to a minute and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:26   i know it's my job that has sparked this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:28   discussion and I think you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:31   then you have to have this discussion if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   you work for a company like people might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:35   be talking about the story especially if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5915">TS</a>]

01:38:36   you're in the tech industry it's time to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:38   ask around pay has any good HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5918">TS</a>]

01:38:43   department should be doing this hey does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:44   anyone in our company feel like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5924">TS</a>]

01:38:46   can't go to HR or has gone to HR and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5926">TS</a>]

01:38:49   felt like HR has failed them in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:51   things like this happen all the time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5931">TS</a>]

01:38:54   mean that you know people are people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5934">TS</a>]

01:38:55   there's always communication gaps but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:56   it's like a teachable moment type thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5936">TS</a>]

01:38:59   where would a good company will do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5939">TS</a>]

01:39:01   a good HR department is use this to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5941">TS</a>]

01:39:05   if this is happening here we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5945">TS</a>]

01:39:08   it to and let us know and employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5948">TS</a>]

01:39:12   should talk amongst themselves like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5952">TS</a>]

01:39:13   sometimes people don't talk about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:14   know like they'll report some of the HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5954">TS</a>]

01:39:16   but maybe you don't tell like your peers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5956">TS</a>]

01:39:17   that you did that you know because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:19   don't want to because you fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5959">TS</a>]

01:39:20   retribution which is itself a very bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22   sign right off the bat but sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   takes something like this like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   same reason they didn't know the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:28   woman's company didn't get together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5968">TS</a>]

01:39:29   immediately they had to eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:31   figure out late but I reported that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5971">TS</a>]

01:39:32   guy and they told me it was the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:33   time like these conversations need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5973">TS</a>]

01:39:35   happen and health company should happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5975">TS</a>]

01:39:37   and as this story went around people at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5977">TS</a>]

01:39:41   you know at my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5981">TS</a>]

01:39:42   people started talking about it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   know talking about their experiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   with HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:47   at our company and and and how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5987">TS</a>]

01:39:49   compares to this story and like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:52   don't hear about these stories and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5992">TS</a>]

01:39:54   don't think it's happening your company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5994">TS</a>]

01:39:55   maybe it's totally not but maybe it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5995">TS</a>]

01:39:57   you're just not hearing about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5997">TS</a>]

01:39:58   it hasn't happened to you and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5998">TS</a>]

01:39:59   has happened to you haven't felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/5999">TS</a>]

01:40:01   they could tell you for you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   like the worst it is probably the more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   hesitant people will be to share these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:07   stories because it really is bad and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:09   really are punished for reporting it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:12   this and you know the HR justifies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   retaliation against you based on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:16   everything you're not going to tell your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6016">TS</a>]

01:40:18   coworkers that it's happening you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6018">TS</a>]

01:40:19   going to keep your mouth shut and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:20   not going to report another one because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6020">TS</a>]

01:40:21   you need this job like that's the case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:23   wherever and clams up where is if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6023">TS</a>]

01:40:25   really is an expectation and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6025">TS</a>]

01:40:26   functioning HR department and someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:28   has a bad interaction and they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6028">TS</a>]

01:40:29   should feel free to tell everyone that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:32   all their co-workers and their boss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6032">TS</a>]

01:40:34   about it because they have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35   expectation like this is not functioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:36   correctly and you know i was told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6036">TS</a>]

01:40:38   something that does not seem to comport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6038">TS</a>]

01:40:40   with the suppose that policies of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6040">TS</a>]

01:40:42   company and that's the only way these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:44   things get worked out because if people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6044">TS</a>]

01:40:46   are just quiet and go about their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6046">TS</a>]

01:40:47   business and try not to rock the boat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6047">TS</a>]

01:40:49   like that's not a good culture for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:50   anything but you know it period in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6050">TS</a>]

01:40:53   company was certainly a good culture for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6053">TS</a>]

01:40:54   making sure you have making sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:57   have a company that is that is able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6057">TS</a>]

01:41:00   retain employees good employees because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   this person seems like a good employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:03   mean she she wrote a Riley book on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6063">TS</a>]

01:41:05   topic and speak at conferences it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:07   like she's just this random cog in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6067">TS</a>]

01:41:09   machine right I'll just throw her away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:10   we don't need to have that's right more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6070">TS</a>]

01:41:11   important to protect the high the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:13   performing sexual harasser it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6073">TS</a>]

01:41:16   ridiculous but anyway a good HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:17   department will try to make a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6077">TS</a>]

01:41:19   that is attractive to employees people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:21   want to work there and once they do work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6081">TS</a>]

01:41:22   there they want to stay there that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24   that you know it again it is not a role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:27   that is in service of the employee but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:28   it's a virtuous cycle if the HR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6088">TS</a>]

01:41:31   department realizes that by making it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6091">TS</a>]

01:41:34   better company to work at they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6094">TS</a>]

01:41:36   protecting the company and they will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:38   making the company more successful even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:39   if their main goal is to maine loyalties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6099">TS</a>]

01:41:41   to the company and not to the employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:43   was it Thursday of last week the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6103">TS</a>]

01:41:47   after we recorded that we got a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:50   weird announcement out of Apple was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:53   Thursday or was it it was sometime after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:55   we recorded and not too long after he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6115">TS</a>]

01:41:57   recorded 10 minutes after recording yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6117">TS</a>]

01:41:59   right that's what it felt like for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6119">TS</a>]

01:42:01   I I think Apple strolling us because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6121">TS</a>]

01:42:03   clearly they care about are recording [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6123">TS</a>]

01:42:05   schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6125">TS</a>]

01:42:06   wdc 2017 has been announced it is a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6126">TS</a>]

01:42:09   before I thought it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:12   it is the 5th to 9th of june i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6132">TS</a>]

01:42:15   guests and I was pretty confident it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:16   would be the following week i'm wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:18   I'd also guessed it would be in san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6138">TS</a>]

01:42:19   francisco and that's not right either so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:21   it's going to san jose which apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24   is the most boring big city and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:28   America from what I'm told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:30   so that's the thing people who say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:33   have never been to any other cities in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6153">TS</a>]

01:42:35   America that's true and I mean I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6155">TS</a>]

01:42:37   never been to san jose and I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:40   it's nice but I don't really know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6160">TS</a>]

01:42:42   anything about it but one way or another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:44   they have announced wdc they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6164">TS</a>]

01:42:46   announced dates this is way sooner than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:50   they've done it in many years usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:51   it's like april or even may when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6171">TS</a>]

01:42:53   announced that that.oh in a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:55   days you can buy tickets so get ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6175">TS</a>]

01:42:58   and this is convenient if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6178">TS</a>]

01:43:00   somebody like us that's probably gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6180">TS</a>]

01:43:03   go regardless of whether or not you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6183">TS</a>]

01:43:04   a ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:05   it's also can mean if you're someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6185">TS</a>]

01:43:07   that doesn't live in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:08   and needs to work out you know the entry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:13   procedure and i'm just going to dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:15   around this whole topic it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6195">TS</a>]

01:43:17   nice to know wait advance and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:19   part of if not most of the reason that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:21   it was announced this far out is because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:23   it's not san francisco and that changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:24   things and nobody really knows how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:27   changes things although i bet you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:29   going to talk about for a while huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6209">TS</a>]

01:43:31   but it certainly changes things and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:34   i'm curious to see how this turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6214">TS</a>]

01:43:37   because it certainly gave me pause for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6217">TS</a>]

01:43:39   minute because everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:40   understood about san jose is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6220">TS</a>]

01:43:43   a really sleepy town after all the local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:46   businesses you know go to sleep if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   will after business hours and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:52   the reason that I go to WTC each year is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6232">TS</a>]

01:43:54   so i can hang out with you guys and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6234">TS</a>]

01:43:56   my other friends and and and mutual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   friends and and socialize and have fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:01   and and build the in continue to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:04   existing relationships and build new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6244">TS</a>]

01:44:05   relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:07   and I don't know how conducive san jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6247">TS</a>]

01:44:10   is to that for all I know it could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:11   great I mean I I really honestly don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6251">TS</a>]

01:44:13   know but but it's certainly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:16   and you know what whatever how we gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6256">TS</a>]

01:44:18   go to the house of prime rib if it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:19   hour away like that's not going to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6259">TS</a>]

01:44:22   what do you do I think this is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:23   so I don't know John what do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6263">TS</a>]

01:44:27   about all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6267">TS</a>]

01:44:28   well I don't like I don't like traveling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:29   and I don't like change and I don't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6269">TS</a>]

01:44:31   change to travel is it that I got used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:36   to the flight to San Francisco and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6276">TS</a>]

01:44:40   arrangements there and have was familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6280">TS</a>]

01:44:43   with enough of the city to start to feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:44   comfortable you know everything that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:47   said we need to change things up like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6287">TS</a>]

01:44:51   as many people find out like the obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:52   reason they would change this because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6292">TS</a>]

01:44:54   its marketing in for Apple because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:55   closer to their headquarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   it's got to be cheaper than doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6297">TS</a>]

01:44:59   anything in san francisco in theory it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6299">TS</a>]

01:45:01   was supposed to be cheaper for attendees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6301">TS</a>]

01:45:02   and practice I don't know if that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:05   be the case because obviously all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:08   traditional WWDC attendees plus the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:12   people who go without a ticket for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:13   fraction of them anyway are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6313">TS</a>]

01:45:16   drive our prices but i did get a hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:20   reservations provisional hotel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6320">TS</a>]

01:45:21   reservations for less money than I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:23   have gotten them in San Francisco for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:24   the same week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6324">TS</a>]

01:45:25   not much less but a little bit less and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:27   certainly a nice location so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:29   thousand dollars less the same here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:32   I i have not independently confirm this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6332">TS</a>]

01:45:34   but I had people that i saw on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6334">TS</a>]

01:45:36   saying that within a couple hours of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:38   this announcement all those prices went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6338">TS</a>]

01:45:40   up to effectively equivalent to San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:43   Francisco prices until at last couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6343">TS</a>]

01:45:45   years it is ben and I'm sure we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6345">TS</a>]

01:45:48   about this on the show but it has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6348">TS</a>]

01:45:49   for a middle-of-the-road hotel for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:53   area and an admittedly it's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6353">TS</a>]

01:45:54   greatest area for like sightseeing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:56   there's a bunch of problems with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:57   area in which WBC is to happen in San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6357">TS</a>]

01:46:00   Francisco but the point of the matter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:01   for a unremarkable hotel but not slummy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6361">TS</a>]

01:46:05   it was like four hundred dollars a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:07   i think i spend like 2500 or 3000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6367">TS</a>]

01:46:11   dollars for a week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6371">TS</a>]

01:46:12   arable five nights in san francisco and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:14   somebody said to me at some point I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:16   I could remember who was but somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:17   pointed out last couple years in France [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6377">TS</a>]

01:46:20   Cisco you're basically buying an Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:23   watch every single night you were there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:25   and then throwing it away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6385">TS</a>]

01:46:26   that's not expensive hotels but that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   a huge on ya just everybody say yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   okay so that's that's barbaric that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:34   just as San Francisco or at least that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:36   part of san francisco is not a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6396">TS</a>]

01:46:38   enough city to justify that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6398">TS</a>]

01:46:39   price like it's just not i'm sorry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   and so here it is for a fleeting moments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:44   and san jose's seemed like it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6404">TS</a>]

01:46:46   whole lot better but from what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6406">TS</a>]

01:46:47   understand all of the excess inventory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6407">TS</a>]

01:46:50   that was a little low priced has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   snapped up now that very well could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:53   because Apple has also bought a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6413">TS</a>]

01:46:55   hotel rooms for attendees which they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6415">TS</a>]

01:46:57   done in years past that is very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6417">TS</a>]

01:46:59   likely Apple almost certainly has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:02   blocked out discounted rooms for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:03   attendees so that basically if you plan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6423">TS</a>]

01:47:06   to get to try to get a ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:07   don't book a non-refundable hotel room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:09   yet right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6429">TS</a>]

01:47:11   yeah the strategy been doing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6431">TS</a>]

01:47:12   strategy in San Francisco for a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:13   years you always soon as you find out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:15   the dates you look refundable ticket and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6435">TS</a>]

01:47:17   then what i would do is wait to see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6437">TS</a>]

01:47:19   if I do get a ticket which I have in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:21   years past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:22   look at the rates that apple offers for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6442">TS</a>]

01:47:24   like hey we reserve blocker review some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6444">TS</a>]

01:47:26   years the Apple reserved room rate is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:28   cheaper than the 1i provisionally booked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6448">TS</a>]

01:47:31   sometimes it's actually more expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:32   so it really depends on how quick people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6452">TS</a>]

01:47:35   are on the draw on how quickly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6455">TS</a>]

01:47:36   hotel's figure out what's going on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:38   in this case but by the time you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6458">TS</a>]

01:47:40   listening to this if you haven't already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6460">TS</a>]

01:47:41   booked something probably apples reserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:45   block of room rate is going to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6465">TS</a>]

01:47:46   than anything you get right now and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:48   there are it seems like there are more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6468">TS</a>]

01:47:50   hotels at formerly reasonable prices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53   closer to whatever the convention center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:56   is in San Jose because moscone has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:58   super expensive hotels fairly close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:01   it and some cheaper ones like 15 minute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6481">TS</a>]

01:48:04   walk away and then it goes down from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:05   there as soon as a one right around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6485">TS</a>]

01:48:07   within like the same block as a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6487">TS</a>]

01:48:08   of big hotels which don't seem as nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   and we're going for you know a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:13   and something at night if you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6493">TS</a>]

01:48:15   really quick on the draw of course now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6495">TS</a>]

01:48:16   they're all 2 for 500 but you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:18   your mind is like my got mine for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6498">TS</a>]

01:48:20   189 or something I mean I haven't paid a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:22   rate that low in san francisco in a few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6502">TS</a>]

01:48:24   years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6504">TS</a>]

01:48:25   yeah many times in anything with the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6505">TS</a>]

01:48:27   in front of it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:27   years yeah exactly true that goodness so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6507">TS</a>]

01:48:31   true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:32   CSO either on the one side so I i guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6512">TS</a>]

01:48:37   at first that seems like an improvement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6517">TS</a>]

01:48:39   because it seems like it's more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6519">TS</a>]

01:48:41   accessible financially until you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6521">TS</a>]

01:48:43   fly there because there seemed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:45   considerably fewer options to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:48   san jose then there are san francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:49   which makes sense San Francisco so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6529">TS</a>]

01:48:51   bigger Airport from everything I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:52   gathered i'm more than a little bitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6532">TS</a>]

01:48:55   that no matter where i fly out of I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6535">TS</a>]

01:48:57   going to have to change planes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6537">TS</a>]

01:48:59   past I've driven two hours north bound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6539">TS</a>]

01:49:01   to dulles everyone's favorite airport [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6541">TS</a>]

01:49:04   and got a direct flight on virgin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6544">TS</a>]

01:49:05   america which is non sarcastically my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6545">TS</a>]

01:49:08   favorite airline in the states and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6548">TS</a>]

01:49:10   typically underscore and I have flown on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:13   the same flights out and back in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6553">TS</a>]

01:49:16   it's been wonderful and now i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6556">TS</a>]

01:49:19   have to change planes like an animal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6559">TS</a>]

01:49:20   which I'm perfectly capable of doing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6560">TS</a>]

01:49:23   I don't care for doing and then that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:26   bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:26   alternatively we could fly to san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6566">TS</a>]

01:49:29   francisco and take like an hour-long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6569">TS</a>]

01:49:30   drive or caltrain or something along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6570">TS</a>]

01:49:32   those lines which is a bummer so getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6572">TS</a>]

01:49:35   there is a little bit tougher and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6575">TS</a>]

01:49:38   probably more expensive which stinks but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6578">TS</a>]

01:49:42   in the grand scheme of things I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6582">TS</a>]

01:49:45   this has a lot of potential upside get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6585">TS</a>]

01:49:49   it does make a lot of things different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6589">TS</a>]

01:49:51   and at first glance potentially worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6591">TS</a>]

01:49:53   but I think it could make a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6593">TS</a>]

01:49:55   things better and also announced today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6595">TS</a>]

01:49:57   we're not going to talk about talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6597">TS</a>]

01:49:59   very much the apple campus to has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6599">TS</a>]

01:50:02   officially named a park and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6602">TS</a>]

01:50:05   start to receive employees that are that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6605">TS</a>]

01:50:09   will be moving in in April and WT season [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:13   june so it is certainly possible that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6613">TS</a>]

01:50:17   there will be one or more wdc events at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6617">TS</a>]

01:50:21   Apple park which would be kinda neat i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6621">TS</a>]

01:50:24   guess we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6624">TS</a>]

01:50:27   there's been a lot of like theorizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6627">TS</a>]

01:50:29   and in scheming about where things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6629">TS</a>]

01:50:32   the beer bash will happen and where will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6632">TS</a>]

01:50:34   the keynote happen and and we know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:37   name of the conference center event so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6637">TS</a>]

01:50:40   or whatever it is that that WBC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6640">TS</a>]

01:50:41   happening already forgotten what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6641">TS</a>]

01:50:43   it doesn't really matter but there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6643">TS</a>]

01:50:46   lot of questions about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6646">TS</a>]

01:50:48   additionally somewhere on the website or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:50   maybe was in the announcement they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6650">TS</a>]

01:50:51   made passing reference to how Apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:54   working with San Jose to kind of have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6654">TS</a>]

01:50:57   stuff to do after hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59   what does that mean does that mean that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:01   they work with what people like layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:04   and all content to get something going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6664">TS</a>]

01:51:06   on but that's not really after hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6666">TS</a>]

01:51:07   that's during the show so is it is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6667">TS</a>]

01:51:09   that they're working with the relay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:11   folks to get something going probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6671">TS</a>]

01:51:12   not but you never know you know there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:14   a million questions here very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6674">TS</a>]

01:51:16   answers however at least we know when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6676">TS</a>]

01:51:19   is in the least we know where it is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6679">TS</a>]

01:51:20   we know that before what feels like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:23   seconds in advance which is good so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6683">TS</a>]

01:51:26   tentatively optimistic but we'll see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6686">TS</a>]

01:51:27   we'll see how it works out I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6687">TS</a>]

01:51:30   miss the convention center like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6690">TS</a>]

01:51:31   even know what I want is like but as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6691">TS</a>]

01:51:33   Mosconi was cool looking right yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6693">TS</a>]

01:51:35   like that I like that space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6695">TS</a>]

01:51:37   I mean obviously the Rings themselves or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6697">TS</a>]

01:51:39   like you know boring partitions they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6699">TS</a>]

01:51:40   move around and stuff but i think apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:42   always did a good job of making it feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:43   so the familiarity will be will be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6703">TS</a>]

01:51:46   weird the potential upside of San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6706">TS</a>]

01:51:49   is that nerds will be able to more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6709">TS</a>]

01:51:50   thoroughly dominated the place because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6710">TS</a>]

01:51:52   in San Francisco yeah there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   nerds and when you're around Moscow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:55   Niecy a lot of little black WTC jackets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6715">TS</a>]

01:51:58   but service was a big busy city full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6718">TS</a>]

01:51:59   people going about their business and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6719">TS</a>]

01:52:01   you move outward nerds don't dominate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6721">TS</a>]

01:52:04   the city like that you know people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6724">TS</a>]

01:52:05   live in the city and work there are many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6725">TS</a>]

01:52:07   other nerds that people going to work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6727">TS</a>]

01:52:08   Twitter and stuff right but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6728">TS</a>]

01:52:09   different set of nerds in San Jose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6729">TS</a>]

01:52:12   because the population is lower and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6732">TS</a>]

01:52:16   know it's just a less of a big city than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6736">TS</a>]

01:52:19   san francisco i would imagine that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:21   will dominate more i'm worried a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6741">TS</a>]

01:52:25   bit about facilities as people point out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6745">TS</a>]

01:52:28   not so much interested in bars but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:29   just a simple like a where do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:31   to go for dinner tonight if there's any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6751">TS</a>]

01:52:32   remotely good restaurants they may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6752">TS</a>]

01:52:34   overwhelmed by the additional volume of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:36   people but then again it is a convention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6756">TS</a>]

01:52:37   center so maybe they used to it i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:38   know it's hard it's hard to gauge that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6758">TS</a>]

01:52:40   but again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6760">TS</a>]

01:52:41   san Francisco has a much larger capacity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:43   to absorb people's activities just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:46   because they're used to hear it's a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6766">TS</a>]

01:52:48   city there's many more options more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6768">TS</a>]

01:52:49   places to go places that are more used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6769">TS</a>]

01:52:51   to large volumes of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6771">TS</a>]

01:52:52   on an ongoing basis whereas this surge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6772">TS</a>]

01:52:55   for dvc could be a large as far as San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6775">TS</a>]

01:52:59   Jose since earn or could not be because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:01   I think maybe their convention center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6781">TS</a>]

01:53:03   regularly houses conventions that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6783">TS</a>]

01:53:05   seven times size of WTC in which case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:07   you don't have a big deal and also maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6787">TS</a>]

01:53:10   people who previously went to San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6790">TS</a>]

01:53:12   Francisco for WC without a ticket to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6792">TS</a>]

01:53:15   just you know enjoy the company will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6795">TS</a>]

01:53:17   think twice of it either because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6797">TS</a>]

01:53:19   not a direct flight or because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6799">TS</a>]

01:53:20   think they won't be stuff to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6800">TS</a>]

01:53:23   me as much stuff to do or whatever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:26   think the idea of people going into san [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6806">TS</a>]

01:53:27   francisco from San Jose is crazy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6807">TS</a>]

01:53:29   that's a ridiculous trip and it's long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6809">TS</a>]

01:53:31   distance even without traffic you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6811">TS</a>]

01:53:33   want to make that trip back when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:35   you know me lens at 2am or whatever so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6815">TS</a>]

01:53:39   mean all certainly I would never do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6819">TS</a>]

01:53:40   but i think most people wouldn't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6820">TS</a>]

01:53:41   you can you imagine getting back in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6821">TS</a>]

01:53:44   an uber to go ride for an hour at two in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:47   the morning to go back to the parc 55 no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6827">TS</a>]

01:53:50   hard pass no thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:55   yeah and maybe the weather will be nicer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6835">TS</a>]

01:53:57   might be freezing cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6837">TS</a>]

01:53:59   my understanding is that factors that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6839">TS</a>]

01:54:01   will be considerably warmer it seems the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:03   San Jose is actually in California right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6843">TS</a>]

01:54:06   now okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6846">TS</a>]

01:54:09   and III from for me because I had flying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:12   a traveling i'm going to take a direct [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6852">TS</a>]

01:54:14   flight to SFO I'm i can't remember I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6854">TS</a>]

01:54:17   can't do the change like 16 hour flight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:19   I can't do 24 hour flights with an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6859">TS</a>]

01:54:21   in between or whatever the hell would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6861">TS</a>]

01:54:22   if I went through Texas or whatever my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6862">TS</a>]

01:54:24   options are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:24   I'm curious how you get down to there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6864">TS</a>]

01:54:26   from there and how does that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6866">TS</a>]

01:54:28   I'll get someone to drive me totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:30   fine you have debated doing the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6870">TS</a>]

01:54:33   thing but especially inbound wear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:36   the schedules a little less intense but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6876">TS</a>]

01:54:39   I and Ivan book plane travel yet there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6879">TS</a>]

01:54:41   but I i think what I'll likely do is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:46   just fly into san jose and in deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6886">TS</a>]

01:54:49   the fact that i have to put on my big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6889">TS</a>]

01:54:51   boy pants and change planes at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6891">TS</a>]

01:54:52   point we'll say our hearing from you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6892">TS</a>]

01:54:55   because your connection got cancelled or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6895">TS</a>]

01:54:57   a mist how excited you are to miss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6897">TS</a>]

01:54:59   registration no true it i agree that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6899">TS</a>]

01:55:02   that's why I like sure i am being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:04   little bit of a baby singing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6904">TS</a>]

01:55:06   energy plants but truly like that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6906">TS</a>]

01:55:08   i drive two hours because driving two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6908">TS</a>]

01:55:11   hours to a larger airport is something i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:13   can control when i get stranded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6913">TS</a>]

01:55:15   dallas or or Charlotte or Chicago or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6915">TS</a>]

01:55:19   something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6919">TS</a>]

01:55:20   I'm screwed like there's nothing I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6920">TS</a>]

01:55:21   do about that at that point so I'm with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6921">TS</a>]

01:55:23   you John I completely understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6923">TS</a>]

01:55:25   yeah that's one of the many reasons to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6925">TS</a>]

01:55:26   to try to go direct and then for for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6926">TS</a>]

01:55:29   personally as a potential that I won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6929">TS</a>]

01:55:31   be able to go at all because my wife [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6931">TS</a>]

01:55:33   might have work travel during that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6933">TS</a>]

01:55:34   and then I wouldn't have anybody who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6934">TS</a>]

01:55:36   kids so potentially I'm not going at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6936">TS</a>]

01:55:38   and of course always the option of me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6938">TS</a>]

01:55:40   not going to take enough don't get one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6940">TS</a>]

01:55:41   as always I will have to reconsider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6941">TS</a>]

01:55:44   because i'm not really going there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6944">TS</a>]

01:55:47   super duper nightlife and drinking i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6947">TS</a>]

01:55:49   going to sit in boring recessions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6949">TS</a>]

01:55:51   learn things and it's not your life of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6951">TS</a>]

01:55:53   the party people yeah right i'm sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6953">TS</a>]

01:55:54   shall be terribly missed you will like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6954">TS</a>]

01:55:57   you would be certainly by the two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6957">TS</a>]

01:55:59   them are gonna be so excited to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6959">TS</a>]

01:56:01   to figure out a new recording rig where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6961">TS</a>]

01:56:02   he's got two people live one person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6962">TS</a>]

01:56:03   remote oh god at make me do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6963">TS</a>]

01:56:06   would be awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6966">TS</a>]

01:56:07   yeah anyway I went during the lottery uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6967">TS</a>]

01:56:10   anyway and hopefully i'll be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6970">TS</a>]

01:56:13   wear either work out something with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6973">TS</a>]

01:56:14   childcare or my wife's work travel will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6974">TS</a>]

01:56:16   change because it's not set in stone at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6976">TS</a>]

01:56:18   this point is and i totally i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6978">TS</a>]

01:56:20   fact we can start eventually found out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6980">TS</a>]

01:56:22   so much earlier like even before it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6982">TS</a>]

01:56:24   we can't even put are you know name into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6984">TS</a>]

01:56:28   the Hat for the lottery until the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6988">TS</a>]

01:56:30   march so they gave us so much notice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6990">TS</a>]

01:56:32   which is great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6992">TS</a>]

01:56:33   it's like so so much more relaxing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6993">TS</a>]

01:56:35   although the mad rush is still there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6995">TS</a>]

01:56:37   because as soon as everyone but I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6997">TS</a>]

01:56:39   like I found out like an hour after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/6999">TS</a>]

01:56:41   everybody else did despite the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7001">TS</a>]

01:56:42   through many venues if i just opened my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7002">TS</a>]

01:56:44   eyes I would have known much sooner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7004">TS</a>]

01:56:46   then I'm scrambling to try to get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7006">TS</a>]

01:56:48   number with a one in front of it as my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7008">TS</a>]

01:56:50   hotel room rate which i think it barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7010">TS</a>]

01:56:52   did but I mean all in all i'm i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7012">TS</a>]

01:56:55   tentatively excited like I said I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7015">TS</a>]

01:56:56   think i think this could be a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7016">TS</a>]

01:57:00   awesome changes now certainly could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7020">TS</a>]

01:57:02   garbage and it could work out really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7022">TS</a>]

01:57:04   poorly and they'll be nowhere to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7024">TS</a>]

01:57:05   after hours nothing to do but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7025">TS</a>]

01:57:08   excited i think i think it could be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7028">TS</a>]

01:57:10   lot of fun and I'm really looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7030">TS</a>]

01:57:11   forward to seeing how it all turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7031">TS</a>]

01:57:13   so I'm we came just a little more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7033">TS</a>]

01:57:15   venue stuff that we all agree that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7035">TS</a>]

01:57:17   isn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7037">TS</a>]

01:57:18   you know will not be in the Steve Jobs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7038">TS</a>]

01:57:20   theater on a park it's just not enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7040">TS</a>]

01:57:23   yeah not even close yeah I always wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7043">TS</a>]

01:57:25   wonder about the theater why they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7045">TS</a>]

01:57:27   it i mean i guess for press events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7047">TS</a>]

01:57:28   thousands probably plenty but apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7048">TS</a>]

01:57:30   handle a lot of press events and bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7050">TS</a>]

01:57:32   venues like even the watch event will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7052">TS</a>]

01:57:33   help like 5000 or something so kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7053">TS</a>]

01:57:36   wonder why they made it so small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7056">TS</a>]

01:57:38   well I mean I'm sure the rationale was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7058">TS</a>]

01:57:39   basically like you know we can we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7059">TS</a>]

01:57:42   have some events on campus which we do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7062">TS</a>]

01:57:44   and we get the smaller events that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7064">TS</a>]

01:57:46   like 5,000 people in the room they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7066">TS</a>]

01:57:47   having a campus and the rationale was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7067">TS</a>]

01:57:49   probably like to make it meaningfully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7069">TS</a>]

01:57:52   bigger it's like do we want to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7072">TS</a>]

01:57:54   5000 person theater and our campus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7074">TS</a>]

01:57:56   that's a lot of people shove into one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7076">TS</a>]

01:57:58   room it's a really big room it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7078">TS</a>]

01:57:59   it's that's probably a massive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7079">TS</a>]

01:58:02   undertaking for relatively little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7082">TS</a>]

01:58:04   benefit like they can just go book a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7084">TS</a>]

01:58:06   place in san francisco for that a tour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7086">TS</a>]

01:58:08   books and was a conference center for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7088">TS</a>]

01:58:09   the Hat and it's probably fine like so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7089">TS</a>]

01:58:11   hope that all Steve Jobs theater is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7091">TS</a>]

01:58:13   a facade for the 800 levels of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7093">TS</a>]

01:58:15   sub-basement where they do the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7095">TS</a>]

01:58:16   development right that's like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7096">TS</a>]

01:58:19   underground just in the underground test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7099">TS</a>]

01:58:20   track facility that's a complete a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7100">TS</a>]

01:58:22   recreation of nürburgring yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7102">TS</a>]

01:58:26   it with artificial sunlight over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7106">TS</a>]

01:58:27   whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7107">TS</a>]

01:58:28   mmm III would not assume that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7108">TS</a>]

01:58:31   going to be any involvement between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7111">TS</a>]

01:58:33   apple's new campus and this in WC like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7113">TS</a>]

01:58:36   don't think it's gonna be anything there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7116">TS</a>]

01:58:37   they don't really need to and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7117">TS</a>]

01:58:39   be a pretty big ordeal like to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7119">TS</a>]

01:58:41   5,000 people is a lot like to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7121">TS</a>]

01:58:44   anything with 5,000 people like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7124">TS</a>]

01:58:47   that is a large logistical challenge and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7127">TS</a>]

01:58:50   when the people can just walk two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7130">TS</a>]

01:58:51   different buildings that are all within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7131">TS</a>]

01:58:52   the same data an area that's way easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7132">TS</a>]

01:58:54   you know we'll see what happens well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7134">TS</a>]

01:58:56   good luck you two getting tickets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7136">TS</a>]

01:58:57   that's right for ticket or not no I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7137">TS</a>]

01:59:01   decided last year I you know I'm always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7141">TS</a>]

01:59:03   so like double and triple booked for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7143">TS</a>]

01:59:05   things i want to do during that week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7145">TS</a>]

01:59:07   during every time of every day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7147">TS</a>]

01:59:09   hello Brock that I that like there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7149">TS</a>]

01:59:11   just ate a ticket on me at this point i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7151">TS</a>]

01:59:15   would feel better with somebody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7155">TS</a>]

01:59:17   getting it like I I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7157">TS</a>]

01:59:19   wasted on me now because there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7159">TS</a>]

01:59:21   else I want to do during those daytime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7161">TS</a>]

01:59:23   slots and last year I didn't go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7163">TS</a>]

01:59:25   many sessions and I felt really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7165">TS</a>]

01:59:27   about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7167">TS</a>]

01:59:28   so this year I'm just gonna let you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7168">TS</a>]

01:59:29   I'm just gonna let someone else get my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7169">TS</a>]

01:59:31   ticket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:31   this time because i think i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7171">TS</a>]

01:59:33   don't need it anymore now that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7173">TS</a>]

01:59:35   giving you a hard time but I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7175">TS</a>]

01:59:36   felt very similarly now I did have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7176">TS</a>]

01:59:39   layers that I went to almost the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7179">TS</a>]

01:59:42   entirety of last year and quick aside if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7182">TS</a>]

01:59:45   you for some reason want to be in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7185">TS</a>]

01:59:47   area and and you don't get a ticket or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7187">TS</a>]

01:59:50   perhaps you want something a little less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7190">TS</a>]

01:59:52   developer centric layers is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7192">TS</a>]

01:59:55   conference and and i think i could've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7195">TS</a>]

01:59:58   sworn i saw that they were at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7198">TS</a>]

01:59:58   sworn i saw that they were at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7198">TS</a>]

02:00:00   contemplating going to San Jose but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7200">TS</a>]

02:00:02   might be lying about that double check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7202">TS</a>]

02:00:04   me but but yeah if players is the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7204">TS</a>]

02:00:07   again be in san francisco or san jose it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7207">TS</a>]

02:00:09   is definitely worth checking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7209">TS</a>]

02:00:11   but anyways last year you know I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7211">TS</a>]

02:00:13   lot more availability because I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7213">TS</a>]

02:00:16   have a conference ticket to WGCI had 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7216">TS</a>]

02:00:18   layers and i still felt a bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7218">TS</a>]

02:00:21   overwhelmed and triple booked and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7221">TS</a>]

02:00:22   giving you a hard time about humble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7222">TS</a>]

02:00:23   bragging about how busy you were but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7223">TS</a>]

02:00:25   truth be told I i totally understand and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7225">TS</a>]

02:00:27   I i am in the exact same boat i will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7227">TS</a>]

02:00:29   trying for ticket for sure because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7229">TS</a>]

02:00:32   think i still have a lot to get from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7232">TS</a>]

02:00:34   I in a way that I don't know that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7234">TS</a>]

02:00:37   necessarily do marco i agree with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7237">TS</a>]

02:00:39   you just said but we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7239">TS</a>]

02:00:42   John obviously we'll be putting in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7242">TS</a>]

02:00:43   hat in the ring and we'll see how it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7243">TS</a>]

02:00:45   goes but what I'm looking forward to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7245">TS</a>]

02:00:47   one way the other forgot about layers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7247">TS</a>]

02:00:49   and that's an option like i would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7249">TS</a>]

02:00:51   would be an excuse for me to go it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7251">TS</a>]

02:00:52   like well I didn't get a ticket but oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7252">TS</a>]

02:00:53   well i'll buy tickets layers instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7253">TS</a>]

02:00:56   yeah you know I feel guilty because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7256">TS</a>]

02:00:59   feel the same way but truth be told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7259">TS</a>]

02:01:01   layers really is a great conference like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7261">TS</a>]

02:01:03   I it shouldn't I shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7263">TS</a>]

02:01:05   positioning it as an also-ran because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7265">TS</a>]

02:01:07   really is really really good now full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7267">TS</a>]

02:01:10   disclosure you know the the one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7270">TS</a>]

02:01:12   women that runs layers Jesse charge he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7272">TS</a>]

02:01:15   also does our ad sales and so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7275">TS</a>]

02:01:17   inclined to like her anyway but truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7277">TS</a>]

02:01:19   the truth matter she's awesome and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7279">TS</a>]

02:01:22   went in the direction she does our ad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7282">TS</a>]

02:01:23   sales because we liked her so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7283">TS</a>]

02:01:25   that's better actually yeah and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7285">TS</a>]

02:01:28   layers just it's such an unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7288">TS</a>]

02:01:30   good conference in a very diverse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7290">TS</a>]

02:01:31   conference in a way that wdc is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7291">TS</a>]

02:01:34   which is super refreshing and really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7294">TS</a>]

02:01:38   really awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7298">TS</a>]

02:01:39   yes actually that's what that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7299">TS</a>]

02:01:40   that is one of the biggest things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7300">TS</a>]

02:01:43   had that I want to do instead of going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7303">TS</a>]

02:01:45   to be so this year like I really want I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7305">TS</a>]

02:01:47   hope layers happens if it does happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7307">TS</a>]

02:01:50   i'm there no question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7310">TS</a>]

02:01:51   yeah i mean it shouldn't be positioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7311">TS</a>]

02:01:53   as an also-ran it is it is a peer 2wd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7313">TS</a>]

02:01:57   see it is truly a tremendous show so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7317">TS</a>]

02:01:59   anyway so yeah so we'll see what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7319">TS</a>]

02:02:00   but i'm looking forward to one way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7320">TS</a>]

02:02:02   another and I i really really hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7322">TS</a>]

02:02:05   that all three of us make it out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7325">TS</a>]

02:02:07   so i will put in a good word with tina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7327">TS</a>]

02:02:09   to temporarily quit her job or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7329">TS</a>]

02:02:11   if need be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7331">TS</a>]

02:02:12   small price to pay my right all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7332">TS</a>]

02:02:17   thanks a lot 23 sponsors this week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7337">TS</a>]

02:02:19   hover warby parker and indochino and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7339">TS</a>]

02:02:21   we'll see you next week [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7341">TS</a>]

02:02:24   now the show is over they didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7344">TS</a>]

02:02:28   mean to be in because it was accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7348">TS</a>]

02:02:32   it was accidental John research Margo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7352">TS</a>]

02:02:38   and Casey wouldn't let him because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7358">TS</a>]

02:02:41   was accidentally was accidental and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7361">TS</a>]

02:02:46   can find the show know that ACP die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7366">TS</a>]

02:02:52   if your twitter follow them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7372">TS</a>]

02:02:56   yes eyl ISS so that's Casey list and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7376">TS</a>]

02:03:02   co-pay rm20 Marco Arment and our AC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7382">TS</a>]

02:03:09   Syracuse is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7389">TS</a>]

02:03:23   I have had been gaming again the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7403">TS</a>]

02:03:28   TV without my son and a while back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7408">TS</a>]

02:03:33   like right after i finished playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7413">TS</a>]

02:03:35   through all the all the emulator stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7415">TS</a>]

02:03:37   with Providence on the appletv I i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7417">TS</a>]

02:03:40   playing them all with the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7420">TS</a>]

02:03:43   steelseries is that the nimbus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7423">TS</a>]

02:03:44   controller it was you know that whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7424">TS</a>]

02:03:47   the numbers i think it's steelseries and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7427">TS</a>]

02:03:49   it's you know one of the many like fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7429">TS</a>]

02:03:52   dollar apple TV game gamepad controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7432">TS</a>]

02:03:54   things and it's fine it's not great but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7434">TS</a>]

02:03:58   it's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7438">TS</a>]

02:03:59   and right after i finished playing all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7439">TS</a>]

02:04:02   these old platformers with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7442">TS</a>]

02:04:04   controller somebody recommended that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7444">TS</a>]

02:04:06   check out the hoary pad ultimate this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7446">TS</a>]

02:04:10   a company I was not familiar with it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7450">TS</a>]

02:04:11   apparently they're well-respected the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7451">TS</a>]

02:04:13   hoary company is their respected for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7453">TS</a>]

02:04:15   making gamepads and and there's their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7455">TS</a>]

02:04:18   model called the hoary pad ultimate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7458">TS</a>]

02:04:21   is as far as i can tell only sold at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7461">TS</a>]

02:04:24   apple stores and through apple's online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7464">TS</a>]

02:04:26   site and I've been playing with that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7466">TS</a>]

02:04:30   last couple days and night and day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7470">TS</a>]

02:04:33   better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7473">TS</a>]

02:04:34   it is so good it is so much better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7474">TS</a>]

02:04:37   the nimbus for for the first like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7477">TS</a>]

02:04:39   actual d-pad and playing old games with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7479">TS</a>]

02:04:42   the d-pad the analog stick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7482">TS</a>]

02:04:43   everything I couldn't tell us about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7483">TS</a>]

02:04:44   because i'm not i'm not that picky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7484">TS</a>]

02:04:46   analog sticks but the d-pad is and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7486">TS</a>]

02:04:49   buttons and the responsiveness of it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7489">TS</a>]

02:04:51   just so much better than the Nimbus and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7491">TS</a>]

02:04:54   it's more practical it's easy to turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7494">TS</a>]

02:04:56   off and everything and there's actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7496">TS</a>]

02:04:58   power switch on it and some of that also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7498">TS</a>]

02:05:00   charges by lightning it so it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7500">TS</a>]

02:05:03   nice very convenient highly recommended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7503">TS</a>]

02:05:05   the hoary penultimate apple TV game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7505">TS</a>]

02:05:07   controller apparently it also worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7507">TS</a>]

02:05:08   with like iPads and iPhones but i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7508">TS</a>]

02:05:10   not yet tried it with those so what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7510">TS</a>]

02:05:13   even playing that isn't emulated or is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7513">TS</a>]

02:05:15   that basically it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7515">TS</a>]

02:05:16   well this kind of an asterisk on that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7516">TS</a>]

02:05:18   i I've been I have not actually a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7518">TS</a>]

02:05:20   province yet because at some point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7520">TS</a>]

02:05:23   the last few months since i last touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7523">TS</a>]

02:05:25   it all my games got deleted out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7525">TS</a>]

02:05:27   which is probably some kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7527">TS</a>]

02:05:29   apple TV storage purge thing and so I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7529">TS</a>]

02:05:33   heard you have to reload them all on but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7533">TS</a>]

02:05:34   i will have lost my progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7534">TS</a>]

02:05:36   I'm not looking forward to that but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7536">TS</a>]

02:05:39   instead of been playing the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7539">TS</a>]

02:05:41   sega authorized ports the appletv of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7541">TS</a>]

02:05:45   sonic the hedgehog series a sonic 12 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7545">TS</a>]

02:05:48   CD they were done contract the guys name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7548">TS</a>]

02:05:51   already there they were done by a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7551">TS</a>]

02:05:52   good person and they actually have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7552">TS</a>]

02:05:55   remastered the sonic games to they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7555">TS</a>]

02:05:57   the original d3.js get sonic games to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7557">TS</a>]

02:05:59   natively widescreen to have built-in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7559">TS</a>]

02:06:03   like saves Christian Whitehead is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7563">TS</a>]

02:06:05   guy Thank You Chloe de Guzman in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7565">TS</a>]

02:06:07   chat Christian Whitehead is the is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7567">TS</a>]

02:06:09   person or company i guess i think is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7569">TS</a>]

02:06:11   person reported the game and it's a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7571">TS</a>]

02:06:14   these are very well done ports actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7574">TS</a>]

02:06:17   like nice wide screen versions of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7577">TS</a>]

02:06:20   old sonic games and they actually break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7580">TS</a>]

02:06:24   in widescreen like things aren't worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7584">TS</a>]

02:06:25   or weird and someone is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7585">TS</a>]

02:06:27   couple of David hit they had to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7587">TS</a>]

02:06:29   couple of tweaks to the games to make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7589">TS</a>]

02:06:31   not break like in Sonic 1 the boss of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7591">TS</a>]

02:06:34   spring yard zone kind of depends on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7594">TS</a>]

02:06:37   field of the game being a certain width [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7597">TS</a>]

02:06:39   and so in the in this remaster that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7599">TS</a>]

02:06:43   widescreen they just put up these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7603">TS</a>]

02:06:44   big walls on like unlike two sides to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7604">TS</a>]

02:06:48   force it back into the right with stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7608">TS</a>]

02:06:51   like that so anyway really reports of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7611">TS</a>]

02:06:52   all three these games of sonic once on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7612">TS</a>]

02:06:54   two and Sonic CD there also may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7614">TS</a>]

02:06:56   having a lot of fun playing them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7616">TS</a>]

02:06:59   apparently he has been hired to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7619">TS</a>]

02:07:01   something called Sonic mania which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7621">TS</a>]

02:07:03   like a basically a new sonic game in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7623">TS</a>]

02:07:06   style of the old ones because they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7626">TS</a>]

02:07:08   been a million garbage sonic games like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7628">TS</a>]

02:07:09   since Genesis like all the stuff done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7629">TS</a>]

02:07:11   afterwards and did it has largely God [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7631">TS</a>]

02:07:13   nowhere really and has not been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7633">TS</a>]

02:07:16   memorable but there's a new one now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7636">TS</a>]

02:07:19   being made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7639">TS</a>]

02:07:20   I don't know what's coming out but which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7640">TS</a>]

02:07:22   for the intense which i should mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7642">TS</a>]

02:07:24   i'm getting intense which what why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7644">TS</a>]

02:07:27   don't know I feel to be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7647">TS</a>]

02:07:30   how are you getting intense which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7650">TS</a>]

02:07:31   because I want to get one and I'd i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7651">TS</a>]

02:07:33   missed the like the one-hour pre-order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7653">TS</a>]

02:07:35   window so did I but uh friend of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7655">TS</a>]

02:07:38   show who I why would name but i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7658">TS</a>]

02:07:41   going to a case he would get like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7661">TS</a>]

02:07:43   bombarded with requests from the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7663">TS</a>]

02:07:46   ordered a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7666">TS</a>]

02:07:47   extra head Bassnectar pre-order and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7667">TS</a>]

02:07:49   offered it and I I grab it i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7669">TS</a>]

02:07:52   have to figure out what games to get for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7672">TS</a>]

02:07:53   it but I think it's gonna be fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7673">TS</a>]

02:07:56   no i don't i can get my fancy version of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7676">TS</a>]

02:07:59   Zelda game either I you i miss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7679">TS</a>]

02:08:01   pre-order winner on that I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7681">TS</a>]

02:08:02   notifications on amazon for all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7682">TS</a>]

02:08:03   things like email me whatever vegetables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7683">TS</a>]

02:08:05   that they'll just die i don't know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7685">TS</a>]

02:08:07   like working and i miss the day when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7687">TS</a>]

02:08:09   could put in the pre-order working like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7689">TS</a>]

02:08:10   an hour by the time i went there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7690">TS</a>]

02:08:12   like up too late already sold out so I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7692">TS</a>]

02:08:15   I've no I'm sure I'll get the console [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7695">TS</a>]

02:08:17   like having a problem with that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7697">TS</a>]

02:08:18   would like the fancy version of Zelda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7698">TS</a>]

02:08:20   game that's that's what i want i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7700">TS</a>]

02:08:21   the console and I want the zelda game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7701">TS</a>]

02:08:23   and the pro controller and that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7703">TS</a>]

02:08:25   I'm going to do with it and then I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7705">TS</a>]

02:08:25   really care about any other games for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7705">TS</a>]

02:08:27   for a while actually i'm i'm hoping do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7707">TS</a>]

02:08:32   we still know nothing about the virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7712">TS</a>]

02:08:33   console for it i'm sure we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7713">TS</a>]

02:08:35   something i haven't been keeping up of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7715">TS</a>]

02:08:36   it but okay well anyway i'm hoping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7716">TS</a>]

02:08:39   Virtual Console becomes like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7719">TS</a>]

02:08:41   what it is what I had before like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7721">TS</a>]

02:08:43   pretty good pretty good thing pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7723">TS</a>]

02:08:45   good resource because i would love to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7725">TS</a>]

02:08:48   play like some of basically someone like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7728">TS</a>]

02:08:50   the mario and Mario Kart games that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7730">TS</a>]

02:08:52   have missed in the last 20 years to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7732">TS</a>]

02:08:55   my record eighth the American a deluxe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7735">TS</a>]

02:08:56   it has so many freaking tracks from past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7736">TS</a>]

02:08:58   game yeah I ordered that are adding 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7738">TS</a>]

02:09:00   more i think on top of that so i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7740">TS</a>]

02:09:02   to order that it is with some amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7742">TS</a>]

02:09:03   cart to pre-order that but but yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7743">TS</a>]

02:09:06   basically that's obvious but is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7746">TS</a>]

02:09:08   anything else i would like it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7748">TS</a>]

02:09:11   mario games themselves are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7751">TS</a>]

02:09:14   absent for a while until the big one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7754">TS</a>]

02:09:15   comes out like a year or something right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7755">TS</a>]

02:09:17   with that their spacing it out i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7757">TS</a>]

02:09:19   about like by the end of this year i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7759">TS</a>]

02:09:20   think a lot of the games are basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7760">TS</a>]

02:09:21   done and just spacing out to give like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7761">TS</a>]

02:09:23   every two months there will be major new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7763">TS</a>]

02:09:24   game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7764">TS</a>]

02:09:25   yeah my so far my my launch list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7765">TS</a>]

02:09:28   things I want a launcher basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7768">TS</a>]

02:09:29   Bomberman poyo Tetris and Mario Kart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7769">TS</a>]

02:09:34   which isn't actually launch but is close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7774">TS</a>]

02:09:37   to launching I guess I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7777">TS</a>]

02:09:39   else to get him not really having Selda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7779">TS</a>]

02:09:40   so I i probably won't get that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7780">TS</a>]

02:09:42   difference to play which you might but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7782">TS</a>]

02:09:44   don't know what else to guess you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7784">TS</a>]

02:09:45   you're gonna have to I don't know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7785">TS</a>]

02:09:46   this new zelda is going to be like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7786">TS</a>]

02:09:48   might be within this window of tolerance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7788">TS</a>]

02:09:50   but I recall her not being a big fan of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7790">TS</a>]

02:09:52   the 3ds elders yeah that's issues and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7792">TS</a>]

02:09:54   like some of like at the very first one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7794">TS</a>]

02:09:56   for n64 but not even the second one or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7796">TS</a>]

02:09:58   whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7798">TS</a>]

02:09:59   it wasn't supposed to be very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7799">TS</a>]

02:10:01   and more open world is like could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdSEaKHc/7801">TS</a>]

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