Roderick on the Line

Ep. 238: "We're Not Farmers"


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00:00:03   I'm Merlin hi John oh whoa i did a [TS]

00:00:09   little switcheroo did you see that yeah [TS]

00:00:10   now you got a guy keep the fresh I mean [TS]

00:00:13   it's weird it's weird i don't think i've [TS]

00:00:15   ever done that in the long time Leland [TS]

00:00:18   your guard down you're relaxed I do feel [TS]

00:00:20   a little bit like my guard is down oh no [TS]

00:00:23   you feel vulnerable I feel a little [TS]

00:00:25   vulnerable yeah no I'm sorry I'll be [TS]

00:00:27   gentle today thank you how's John doing [TS]

00:00:30   ah you should do some self care of ya [TS]

00:00:34   i'm sitting here holding up holding a [TS]

00:00:36   half squeeze tube of athletic shoe and [TS]

00:00:39   boot patch goop I'm still processing [TS]

00:00:42   that sense um a city that's the kind of [TS]

00:00:46   that's the kind of stuff that's gonna [TS]

00:00:47   put me back together I can't believe you [TS]

00:00:49   could even get get a sentence like that [TS]

00:00:51   out I uh I scheduled an appt today oh [TS]

00:00:55   okay right now gone on my calendar oh [TS]

00:01:00   okay oh boy we're off to the races you [TS]

00:01:04   know you know how i ended up my calendar [TS]

00:01:06   right yeah oh sure i'm on the receiving [TS]

00:01:09   end of it a lot of the time hey hey no [TS]

00:01:12   it's very helpful well you know Oh bull [TS]

00:01:15   you know time is a flat circle yes it is [TS]

00:01:20   you gotta respect time it keeps on [TS]

00:01:23   tricking cuz you you don't you don't get [TS]

00:01:25   to bend it to your will time you got to [TS]

00:01:27   be there for time time time will not [TS]

00:01:29   wait for you time time flowing like a [TS]

00:01:33   river time even before I realized [TS]

00:01:45   according to twitter today is I don't [TS]

00:01:48   know international nap day I just [TS]

00:01:50   realized there's there's two things that [TS]

00:01:52   I know that I've got to do I gotta just [TS]

00:01:54   do I got eat more protein and I need [TS]

00:01:57   tick naps is that right you've decided [TS]

00:01:59   that naps are now not a luxury but uh [TS]

00:02:03   but a necessity they're not a necessity [TS]

00:02:06   but it's well it's kind of complicated [TS]

00:02:11   but I as much as I am an advocate for [TS]

00:02:13   naps and most people are not a lot of [TS]

00:02:15   people I know do not like taking [TS]

00:02:16   naps they don't like the idea of naps I [TS]

00:02:18   think most of us share a secret shame [TS]

00:02:21   about napping mom which is that I was [TS]

00:02:26   with you with secret shame well yeah [TS]

00:02:29   well you know its secrets secret shame [TS]

00:02:35   I'm still waking up the other take a nap [TS]

00:02:37   but it's very early it's very early and [TS]

00:02:39   I think the people are understandably [TS]

00:02:44   naps feel like weakness it feels like a [TS]

00:02:48   lack of strength and vigor and i think [TS]

00:02:52   that's it that's a young person's game I [TS]

00:02:53   I do and it's you know people like to [TS]

00:02:56   joke you know with the person about [TS]

00:02:57   getting older and that's okay that's [TS]

00:02:59   just something a young person does but [TS]

00:03:00   you know the truth is that like I don't [TS]

00:03:02   have the energy that I used to have and [TS]

00:03:04   I have certain prophylactics that I put [TS]

00:03:08   in place to deal with that and one of [TS]

00:03:10   those is getting a little bit of walking [TS]

00:03:12   exercise which has been really hard [TS]

00:03:13   because it's rained and rained it rained [TS]

00:03:14   in the past few months but you know two [TS]

00:03:17   of them are this is really boring but [TS]

00:03:18   two of them are like I need to eat more [TS]

00:03:20   protein and less of the other things and [TS]

00:03:22   i'm going to occasionally have the [TS]

00:03:24   temerity to put a nap on my calendar and [TS]

00:03:26   make every attempt to actually honor it [TS]

00:03:29   right on the calendar because go so [TS]

00:03:31   finally the reason I'm doing this is [TS]

00:03:33   that what happens instead is I futz [TS]

00:03:37   around I look at the internet I start to [TS]

00:03:40   read a book that's not a nap I listen to [TS]

00:03:43   the beatles and pretty soon it's 315 [TS]

00:03:46   yeah and I gotta pick up my kid which is [TS]

00:03:49   the thing that I do and I happily do but [TS]

00:03:51   then I say to myself I say oh I'll get a [TS]

00:03:53   nap after I bring her home and that sure [TS]

00:03:55   now almost never works and if it does [TS]

00:03:58   work I feel bad she feels bad she can [TS]

00:04:02   she's already know you were sleeping and [TS]

00:04:03   I feel now I really do feel like a like [TS]

00:04:05   a like a layabout as he said yeah you're [TS]

00:04:08   just goofing around yeah so I'm gonna [TS]

00:04:10   try getting in an hour-ish nap and I'm [TS]

00:04:15   gonna see how it goes being on the [TS]

00:04:16   schedule I didn't mean so not like a [TS]

00:04:17   podcast but that's the thing that I'm [TS]

00:04:19   going to try tell me about when is the [TS]

00:04:21   nap scheduled experience in these [TS]

00:04:23   matters all right let me go look what [TS]

00:04:26   were the hours what you've got an hour [TS]

00:04:29   I got I gonna talk to John Roderick from [TS]

00:04:32   me from 10 to a little before noon I'll [TS]

00:04:35   slice this bitch up put as i like to say [TS]

00:04:38   i put it on the internet but right i put [TS]

00:04:40   it on the internet and then the nap that [TS]

00:04:43   i have planned is for about 1 15 oh wow [TS]

00:04:47   you're just gonna get off the podcast as [TS]

00:04:50   you say slice this bitch up yeah quotes [TS]

00:04:54   and which is funny because it's neither [TS]

00:04:56   a bitch north sliced no I don't just you [TS]

00:04:59   know I make a little couple cups cuts i [TS]

00:05:01   put in that sugar from San song and then [TS]

00:05:03   it's just it's on the Internet is that [TS]

00:05:05   doesn't sound like something Adam lizard [TS]

00:05:07   Gore would have said so it's not it's [TS]

00:05:09   not from the past no it's just your [TS]

00:05:11   missus gets old thinking it's all [TS]

00:05:13   thinking but no so yeah and then you're [TS]

00:05:16   gonna go boom right into the nap too I'm [TS]

00:05:19   trying to give myself a little bit time [TS]

00:05:20   to go home maybe have some protein try [TS]

00:05:22   to eat more protein and because one [TS]

00:05:24   thing I know here's a life hack one life [TS]

00:05:26   hack i know i learned this yesterday is [TS]

00:05:28   if i eat a big midday meal i give very [TS]

00:05:31   tired oh yeah but like yesterday i had a [TS]

00:05:34   great run farmers Merlin it's not like [TS]

00:05:35   you just came in from the plow we like [TS]

00:05:39   to think we like to think we're farmers [TS]

00:05:41   yeah Oh or meet a hearty Moor more gravy [TS]

00:05:45   ma ma I love me some biscuits no that's [TS]

00:05:50   not what we austere day I did that thing [TS]

00:05:51   i do where i took my daughter out to [TS]

00:05:53   lunch and i had had a you know had my [TS]

00:05:57   multiple sauce deployment system so i [TS]

00:05:59   had a patty melt with with french fries [TS]

00:06:02   and then i had ketchup mayonnaise and a [TS]

00:06:05   side a monkey dish of white gravy uh-huh [TS]

00:06:07   dipping yeah and then i had no problem [TS]

00:06:11   taking the one-hour nap yesterday but [TS]

00:06:13   see now that is a nap under duress that [TS]

00:06:15   is a body you know you're shutting down [TS]

00:06:17   oh you it's like we got to get out of [TS]

00:06:21   Hoth we can i start loading up the ships [TS]

00:06:22   and get out of here hmm well let me tell [TS]

00:06:25   you let me tell you as a long time uh as [TS]

00:06:28   long time super napper hmm I've got I've [TS]

00:06:34   got a few things to say about this I [TS]

00:06:35   want to hear every single one own well [TS]

00:06:38   it turns out [TS]

00:06:41   that in fact an hour nap is this is I'm [TS]

00:06:48   getting right into some some deep life [TS]

00:06:50   hack territory here it sounds to me like [TS]

00:06:52   you're verging into what I'm going to [TS]

00:06:53   call science we're gonna get into a [TS]

00:06:55   little bit of nap science okay an hour [TS]

00:06:57   it turns out is not the optimal nap [TS]

00:07:01   duration mm-hmm that a nap it seems like [TS]

00:07:05   the benefits of a nap would only [TS]

00:07:09   increase as you increased the length of [TS]

00:07:12   the nap as far as what it seems like [TS]

00:07:14   right doesn't that seem like well 45 [TS]

00:07:17   minute nap is good an hour nap is going [TS]

00:07:19   to be better okay but naps are there are [TS]

00:07:22   different kinds of naps and what you [TS]

00:07:24   want to do is is get the restorative [TS]

00:07:29   benefit of the nap talk about like a [TS]

00:07:31   disco nap I drop the spoon kind well [TS]

00:07:33   there's there so there are there are [TS]

00:07:35   there are little sort of pockets that [TS]

00:07:39   are based basically on your on your [TS]

00:07:42   brainwaves let's be honest we're talking [TS]

00:07:44   about brain waves now and you want to [TS]

00:07:47   get in and get out but if you can't get [TS]

00:07:50   out can't get in get out then you gotta [TS]

00:07:53   stay in until the next opportunity get [TS]

00:07:56   out I've heard this and I have believed [TS]

00:07:59   this for years I'm gonna be honest with [TS]

00:08:02   you i preached this for years the most [TS]

00:08:04   people have a sleep cycle i learned this [TS]

00:08:06   in college i was told in college by a [TS]

00:08:08   cognitive psych psych professor that [TS]

00:08:10   everybody has a slightly different wave [TS]

00:08:13   thing i'm going to call it as a science [TS]

00:08:14   term but that most people have a sleep [TS]

00:08:17   cycle that comes down to increments of [TS]

00:08:19   about 90 minutes mm-hmm and he would say [TS]

00:08:22   this is the thing that you can exploit [TS]

00:08:23   so if you're driving for a really long [TS]

00:08:25   time and i don't mean to hijack your [TS]

00:08:26   topic but this is what I've always heard [TS]

00:08:27   was you could pull over and if you know [TS]

00:08:29   your cycle you know is 90 minutes you [TS]

00:08:32   sleep for exactly exactly 90 minutes you [TS]

00:08:33   get through a full cycle that's not as [TS]

00:08:36   good as eight hours of sleep but it's [TS]

00:08:38   way closer to eight hours of sleep than [TS]

00:08:40   an hour is more or conversely two hours [TS]

00:08:44   two hours not good because now you're [TS]

00:08:46   you're breaking up your our EMS yeah you [TS]

00:08:48   can't break up your REM because then you [TS]

00:08:50   got ya bilberry out driving tractors the [TS]

00:08:52   drummer you get this guy over here [TS]

00:08:54   let's go over here now you're done todos [TS]

00:08:55   santos that I've heard that for one T [TS]

00:08:59   almost 30 years and the only thing i've [TS]

00:09:02   heard against that is our mutual friend [TS]

00:09:03   max Temkin know somebody who is a sleep [TS]

00:09:05   researcher who says that's kind of [TS]

00:09:07   bullshit I still think I believe that [TS]

00:09:10   that's probably true and yet and yet and [TS]

00:09:15   yet alas studied yet John really really [TS]

00:09:21   really still waking up I'm sorry well so [TS]

00:09:23   much my experience has been as I've as [TS]

00:09:26   I've explored all the naps mm-hmm is [TS]

00:09:29   that truly a five-minute nap has the [TS]

00:09:35   power of a thousand naps Cartman nap [TS]

00:09:40   which is which seems completely against [TS]

00:09:44   all what were all intuition but a [TS]

00:09:49   five-minute nap is a mind-blowing little [TS]

00:09:54   like Jim Jam just like you're hitting [TS]

00:09:57   reset it's just a reset you go down and [TS]

00:10:01   there's a you know and that that it you [TS]

00:10:04   lay down your immediately like because [TS]

00:10:07   when when you're this isn't an app where [TS]

00:10:09   you like all right I've got to make [TS]

00:10:11   myself nap and you lay down your feet [TS]

00:10:13   are jamming and you're like a heard that [TS]

00:10:16   called a Churchill nap a Churchill nap [TS]

00:10:18   is where you act like you're going to [TS]

00:10:19   sleep you take off your clothes maybe [TS]

00:10:21   you put on your jammy jams you shudder [TS]

00:10:23   all the blinds you act like you're going [TS]

00:10:25   to sleep like in a hotel room that's the [TS]

00:10:27   launcher chill nap but you're describing [TS]

00:10:29   something more of what I've heard called [TS]

00:10:30   dropping the spoon which is its when you [TS]

00:10:32   lay in the hammock you got a spoon your [TS]

00:10:34   hand over a plate I know this sounds [TS]

00:10:35   weird and as soon as you drop the spoon [TS]

00:10:37   it hits the plate and you wake up kind [TS]

00:10:39   of like inception but that is enough for [TS]

00:10:42   you to basically restart your Mac is [TS]

00:10:43   what you're saying yeah I'm if you need [TS]

00:10:46   a nap which I which I so often do you're [TS]

00:10:50   like you're like oh fuck I need a nap [TS]

00:10:54   and you decide this I do this all the [TS]

00:10:57   time in a chair you know and that talk [TS]

00:10:59   about getting talking about getting old [TS]

00:11:01   talk about being mocked by young people [TS]

00:11:02   my millennium girlfriend works with a [TS]

00:11:06   group of lawyers [TS]

00:11:07   in a little room and they all think [TS]

00:11:09   they're real special these lawyers [TS]

00:11:10   they're all in their 30s let's say yes [TS]

00:11:13   let's say they're in their early 30s [TS]

00:11:14   late 20s a bunch of accomplished lawyers [TS]

00:11:18   who work in a room and it's the time [TS]

00:11:21   it's you know it's in a place where they [TS]

00:11:22   keep the windows open so you imagine [TS]

00:11:23   there's a little bit of sea breeze [TS]

00:11:25   wafting through there and they have [TS]

00:11:27   started teasing her for dating an older [TS]

00:11:30   gentleman uh-huh in the form of me and [TS]

00:11:34   they've started referring to me as [TS]

00:11:35   people that's yeah how do you like that [TS]

00:11:42   FIFA house people that's actually really [TS]

00:11:46   funny you know there are bunch of smarty [TS]

00:11:48   pants as they all went to Ivy League [TS]

00:11:50   schools and they think they know [TS]

00:11:51   something that I that I don't know [TS]

00:11:53   there's nothing think they got it all [TS]

00:11:55   figured out yeah they think they know [TS]

00:11:57   some things I think you know I petoskey [TS]

00:12:00   man I'm like and I'm sitting I'm sitting [TS]

00:12:02   somewhere far away going oh yeah people [TS]

00:12:05   I was pretty good actually I you know [TS]

00:12:08   I'm dipping my corncob pipe and some [TS]

00:12:09   dish soap blowing bubbles all across the [TS]

00:12:12   yard look people is doing but but I lay [TS]

00:12:17   back and I'm your eyes go shut and boom [TS]

00:12:20   you're asleep right if you really need a [TS]

00:12:23   nap boom you're asleep right and then [TS]

00:12:25   that first that first little jolt which [TS]

00:12:27   happens really quickly we're like well [TS]

00:12:29   look oh I should know that thing where [TS]

00:12:31   you go huh ah yeah you're done yeah uh [TS]

00:12:34   you know and it lasted like uh not very [TS]

00:12:38   long you don't know how long it was no [TS]

00:12:40   you have no idea but you stand up and [TS]

00:12:42   you kind of remember to shake it off and [TS]

00:12:44   you know and your ex man's got a new [TS]

00:12:47   girlfriend mm-hmm then whom you're up on [TS]

00:12:51   your feet and Bob's your uncle you're [TS]

00:12:53   ruling yeah and it really it really [TS]

00:12:55   works the and but but in the past right [TS]

00:12:58   i would i would get that debt start like [TS]

00:13:00   what huh and then i would i would [TS]

00:13:03   interpret that as part of the long slow [TS]

00:13:07   come you know the component tree that [TS]

00:13:09   leads to a long nap so I fought my [TS]

00:13:11   pillow and I dig back in but in fact [TS]

00:13:15   that is your body saying you're done [TS]

00:13:17   that takes training I'm guessing [TS]

00:13:19   I know it takes training to take a nap [TS]

00:13:21   because you have to get your head you [TS]

00:13:23   gotta get your mind right as Strother [TS]

00:13:24   Martin says you got to figure out like [TS]

00:13:26   this is the thing that I'm doing and if [TS]

00:13:28   I feel bad about it is the thing I'm not [TS]

00:13:30   going to be able to do so now you're [TS]

00:13:31   somebody who fails it naps which is [TS]

00:13:32   possibly worse than being somebody who [TS]

00:13:33   naps but you also have to din like [TS]

00:13:35   you're you talking about this turbo [TS]

00:13:36   situation why you say that's it I am [TS]

00:13:38   restored time to get back to bloom [TS]

00:13:41   people I need to blow some bubbles [TS]

00:13:42   mm-hmm is i like this site because you [TS]

00:13:45   know what here's the other thing it's [TS]

00:13:46   like what it's like bourbon mustard [TS]

00:13:49   barbecue or kind of lingus a lot of [TS]

00:13:51   people say they don't like it because [TS]

00:13:52   they kind of doing it wrong and never [TS]

00:13:53   really learned how to do it right so you [TS]

00:13:56   say you don't like a nap you say you [TS]

00:13:57   want a revolution maybe your problem is [TS]

00:13:59   you you you the listener with your [TS]

00:14:01   skepticism in your pea pod talk maybe [TS]

00:14:03   you're all like that because you never [TS]

00:14:05   got good at naps and you're right those [TS]

00:14:07   animals that tries to sleep for four [TS]

00:14:09   hours starting at like five o'clock at [TS]

00:14:10   night bad idea bad idea do you want [TS]

00:14:13   onions on your in and out burger the [TS]

00:14:15   answer is yes maybe you don't want to [TS]

00:14:17   all the onions mm-hmm see asking Guy [TS]

00:14:22   Fieri if he wants jalapenos with that [TS]

00:14:23   yeah course he does good suggestion can [TS]

00:14:26   you deep fry course the thing is here's [TS]

00:14:29   another thing that here's what yours a [TS]

00:14:30   little life hack for you and you may [TS]

00:14:32   have done this already yeah but yeah you [TS]

00:14:34   know I have a I have a vague familiarity [TS]

00:14:36   with your office I've been in it I've [TS]

00:14:38   looked at the shelves I've seen the [TS]

00:14:40   lighting I don't you know your home is [TS]

00:14:44   nearby so maybe when you it's nap time [TS]

00:14:46   you just uh you shuffle off to Buffalo [TS]

00:14:49   hmm but for your system your system [TS]

00:14:54   really would I have napped I have napped [TS]

00:14:57   a plenty at my office I used to have a [TS]

00:14:59   sleeping bag and a pillow here that I [TS]

00:15:00   eventually had to donate to the [TS]

00:15:01   household for a sleepover and never came [TS]

00:15:03   back I need to get some kind of little [TS]

00:15:05   palette I could sleep on you like a [TS]

00:15:06   little little uh you know like a little [TS]

00:15:09   Ishmael kind of thing get myself a [TS]

00:15:10   little a little bed to sleep on mm-hmm [TS]

00:15:12   hopefully not wrong hopefully not with [TS]

00:15:14   an Indian but I'll have a place to lay [TS]

00:15:16   down here for the road map start a [TS]

00:15:18   little straw mat so the way it is right [TS]

00:15:20   now when I nap at home I think myself [TS]

00:15:22   mentally okay fresh air is going to the [TS]

00:15:25   first commercial break or like like I [TS]

00:15:27   know you know this is ending news hour [TS]

00:15:30   is starting i have a rough idea of how [TS]

00:15:31   long it's been and [TS]

00:15:33   somehow out of the corner of my ear I'm [TS]

00:15:35   listening I'm listening for that I [TS]

00:15:36   should probably turn off the radio when [TS]

00:15:38   I'm sleeping I don't I cannot imagine [TS]

00:15:40   taking a nap well well NPR is churning [TS]

00:15:43   and I really do feel like all these all [TS]

00:15:47   these kinds of conversations the way [TS]

00:15:48   that people listen to NPR I really think [TS]

00:15:51   that there should be a special way of [TS]

00:15:53   gauging public radio ratings so because [TS]

00:15:57   NPR has amazing ratings and everyone [TS]

00:15:59   they then that's how they get all that [TS]

00:16:01   money from the government that's right [TS]

00:16:02   sometimes it's done now the money wave [TS]

00:16:04   right right in the job to Joan Kroc [TS]

00:16:06   foundation the government uh uh but let [TS]

00:16:10   me listen Adrienne viking river cruises [TS]

00:16:12   NPR is just in the background like the [TS]

00:16:15   dishwasher oh that's that was my own [TS]

00:16:18   trick I mean I went from listening to [TS]

00:16:21   car talk once a week to having NPR on [TS]

00:16:23   all day because when i moved to [TS]

00:16:25   tallahassee that was the first place I [TS]

00:16:26   lived that had both a full-time [TS]

00:16:29   classical and a full-time news and [TS]

00:16:30   information so I had a full-on full day [TS]

00:16:32   of Public Radio you're right it was just [TS]

00:16:35   an all-day dishwasher Bob woods mother [TS]

00:16:38   used to listen to NPR and she was the [TS]

00:16:40   most beautiful of all of the of all the [TS]

00:16:44   upper middle class moms that I knew [TS]

00:16:45   growing she had the ansan Suchi tea she [TS]

00:16:48   lived in one case right that's right [TS]

00:16:49   that's right mom Bob's Bob mom and so I [TS]

00:16:53   always had a special affection in my [TS]

00:16:55   heart for I mean you know Bob's mom must [TS]

00:16:57   have been in 40 years old at the time so [TS]

00:17:00   I I was right she was probably she's [TS]

00:17:04   probably like empirically am an NPR lil [TS]

00:17:08   I'm in gr listen i but i but I uh but [TS]

00:17:13   yeah so I mean there's no going back but [TS]

00:17:15   I but you can't begin with the genie [TS]

00:17:17   back in the bottle no but but i I've [TS]

00:17:19   never myself been able to listen to NPR [TS]

00:17:23   at all and partly it's because I think I [TS]

00:17:25   don't know where the electrical outlets [TS]

00:17:28   are in this house yeah Joe it's it's an [TS]

00:17:30   older house I'm just trying to make that [TS]

00:17:33   you don't do that that's very [TS]

00:17:33   interesting you think that should affect [TS]

00:17:35   their ratings though there should be [TS]

00:17:37   some way it maybe use the camera in your [TS]

00:17:39   microwave but you have a way to identify [TS]

00:17:40   whether people are actually mostly kind [TS]

00:17:42   of sleeping while it was in NPR it's [TS]

00:17:45   really hard to know right because I one [TS]

00:17:46   oh I don't want our ratings to be rude [TS]

00:17:49   to be reflected uh I don't you know I [TS]

00:17:52   don't want the fact that people are [TS]

00:17:53   listening to this and then sometimes [TS]

00:17:55   going wait a minute uh-huh I've got to [TS]

00:17:57   rewind that did they just say something [TS]

00:17:58   but Dodgers missed something i can't i [TS]

00:18:01   can't imagine listening to the show [TS]

00:18:02   while you're doing anything like trying [TS]

00:18:03   to sleep you need to stop everything [TS]

00:18:04   you're doing and just focus completely [TS]

00:18:06   you can maybe maybe wash dishes if it's [TS]

00:18:08   just plates but but if we're going to be [TS]

00:18:10   doing a lot of silverware Google's to [TS]

00:18:12   some other show my friend Kevin would [TS]

00:18:14   lay down to go to sleep at night with [TS]

00:18:16   his boom box on the bedside table which [TS]

00:18:20   is to say six inches from the front of [TS]

00:18:22   his face with the you know just the boom [TS]

00:18:25   box just cranked playing except and the [TS]

00:18:30   you know new wave of British heavy metal [TS]

00:18:32   just blasting in his face he'd sleep [TS]

00:18:34   like that all night I think he had [TS]

00:18:37   tinnitus I've had friends with tinnitus [TS]

00:18:38   that sleep with pretty loud music or TV [TS]

00:18:40   on well I mean he was 15 at the time I [TS]

00:18:43   die I don't know whether I have no idea [TS]

00:18:46   i think he was just metal I mean you [TS]

00:18:48   have to be pretty metal to do that to [TS]

00:18:49   her but but there's a player as a part [TS]

00:18:51   of my nap strategy which is to make [TS]

00:18:53   myself uncomfort to make myself [TS]

00:18:55   uncomfortable but to not pursue comfort [TS]

00:18:59   as a prerequisite of taking a nap I'm [TS]

00:19:02   smart it's smart in so many ways on the [TS]

00:19:05   one hand it's smart cuz you're not going [TS]

00:19:06   to do a full Churchill that's not what [TS]

00:19:08   you're there for but any other hand [TS]

00:19:09   you're also lowering the barrier the [TS]

00:19:11   Baird entry as we say in business you're [TS]

00:19:12   making it easier to slide into a [TS]

00:19:14   five-minute turbo nap I keep a pillow in [TS]

00:19:17   my truck and when it's time to taking in [TS]

00:19:21   case you to deliver a baby or something [TS]

00:19:23   you know there's a lot of reasons you [TS]

00:19:25   might need a pillow right somebody [TS]

00:19:27   invites you to a college football game [TS]

00:19:28   the last minute you're like ah those [TS]

00:19:31   bleachers for my mom said you can go to [TS]

00:19:33   a sleepover I've got a pillow mm-hmm but [TS]

00:19:36   the key to the key to the truck map is [TS]

00:19:40   you might think Oh get out of the [TS]

00:19:43   driver's seat go back lay down on the [TS]

00:19:45   bench seat let the second-row bench seat [TS]

00:19:48   that's not any more comfortable right [TS]

00:19:51   because you get seatbelt spoken in yet [TS]

00:19:53   it's not your office try to have to [TS]

00:19:55   contract your body [TS]

00:19:57   oh just stay seated in your driver's [TS]

00:20:00   seat grab the pillow and I have actually [TS]

00:20:03   done a truck not truck nap where I [TS]

00:20:05   didn't take the seat belt off you grab [TS]

00:20:08   the pillow you kind of you squeeze the [TS]

00:20:11   pillow like a little like a well not a [TS]

00:20:12   little like a pillow size teddy bear [TS]

00:20:14   mm-hmm and then you just kind of fall [TS]

00:20:17   over holding on to the pillow and the [TS]

00:20:22   pillow then is between you know because [TS]

00:20:24   it's next to your cheek it's between you [TS]

00:20:26   and whatever you fall against this [TS]

00:20:28   channel it could be the wheel it could [TS]

00:20:31   be the wheel it could be the seat next [TS]

00:20:33   to you if you fall sideways I envy [TS]

00:20:35   people who can do that on a plane you [TS]

00:20:37   see those people who can lay on their [TS]

00:20:38   tray that filthy tray I'm also amazed [TS]

00:20:40   that people can sleep on that thing [TS]

00:20:41   because I've tried it and I feel like a [TS]

00:20:43   dope you know what it is I probably in [TS]

00:20:44   practice enough but you're saying [TS]

00:20:46   whatever you fall on yeah you ever seen [TS]

00:20:49   those people to carry the big wedge the [TS]

00:20:51   like sex web see I've seen the sex wedge [TS]

00:20:53   in skymall there's also a sex wedge we [TS]

00:20:56   can get a job you put the whole thing [TS]

00:20:57   it's kind of like a like a seat hoodie [TS]

00:20:59   you put on this whole thing you get a [TS]

00:21:00   whole like atmosphere you get to being [TS]

00:21:02   at your own private space so if you like [TS]

00:21:04   if you drool or talk or something you [TS]

00:21:06   know stay you're in there and they're [TS]

00:21:08   developing like old old photographs I've [TS]

00:21:11   said to her you don't operate like that [TS]

00:21:12   feeling eggs yeah it's interesting no [TS]

00:21:21   it's electroplating I do people it's [TS]

00:21:24   better than eating a pizza and that's [TS]

00:21:26   all I'm gonna say about that on the [TS]

00:21:27   plane yeah yeah eating a piece bring me [TS]

00:21:31   up people are you for so many reasons [TS]

00:21:33   John and this is just another one to add [TS]

00:21:34   to the ongoing list I did not know you [TS]

00:21:36   were this good I know you have an [TS]

00:21:38   interesting relationship with sleep as a [TS]

00:21:40   thing mm-hmm but I didn't know you were [TS]

00:21:42   so sleep fluid and I'm really glad to [TS]

00:21:44   hear it well and part part of the [TS]

00:21:47   necessity is that I'm this is really [TS]

00:21:50   hard for me to say because it does not [TS]

00:21:52   it's not what I want you know what I [TS]

00:21:54   mean they're sometimes things you wanna [TS]

00:21:56   you don't want to say because not what [TS]

00:21:57   you want right you avoid you avoid [TS]

00:22:00   thinking it let alone sing it because [TS]

00:22:01   you feel like that is off-brand not [TS]

00:22:04   daddy's brand no and what and what I'm [TS]

00:22:06   about to say is that I am having [TS]

00:22:08   increasingly a difficult time sleeping [TS]

00:22:10   at night [TS]

00:22:11   again back to this yeah and so the so [TS]

00:22:14   the daytime naps are very necessary and [TS]

00:22:17   these little five minute long you know [TS]

00:22:19   if you like a truck nap you're not going [TS]

00:22:21   to get comfort comfortable in that [TS]

00:22:23   situation it's a net it's a necessity [TS]

00:22:25   nap but you wake up throw the throw the [TS]

00:22:28   pillow over your shoulder start the [TS]

00:22:30   truck up I mean the guy that the guy [TS]

00:22:33   that ripped off my house a couple of [TS]

00:22:35   years ago the way he got caught was he [TS]

00:22:38   took my computer obviously he gave it to [TS]

00:22:41   some meth dealer to get some meth this [TS]

00:22:44   all happened in the middle of the night [TS]

00:22:45   and then smoked a bunch of math and then [TS]

00:22:47   at a certain point you know I don't know [TS]

00:22:49   if you know about your your meth arc [TS]

00:22:51   right you smoke the math it's very [TS]

00:22:54   exciting you get very energized you know [TS]

00:22:57   you feel like you could collect you [TS]

00:22:59   could just march right through the Black [TS]

00:23:01   Forest let's say huh every 10 hours [TS]

00:23:03   you're just going to swoop right around [TS]

00:23:05   Paris and the wars gonna be over but [TS]

00:23:08   then somewhere up there at the PX slight [TS]

00:23:11   miscalculation what did you take moscow [TS]

00:23:18   leningrad and Stalingrad why do we take [TS]

00:23:21   all of the garage we need that oil any [TS]

00:23:23   oil out there baka baka world i [TS]

00:23:27   meanwhile back at the Wolf's Lair you [TS]

00:23:30   are he the said this guy this tingling [TS]

00:23:33   crashed in his car with the motor [TS]

00:23:35   running this is less than 24 hours after [TS]

00:23:37   the incident right and yeah that's [TS]

00:23:38   pretty soon yeah 24 hours later he's a [TS]

00:23:40   he's because he probably hadn't been [TS]

00:23:42   sleeping up to whatever the decision [TS]

00:23:44   making process he was going through [TS]

00:23:45   where it was like I'm gonna break in [TS]

00:23:46   this house where this guy is sleeping [TS]

00:23:48   right this guy with this guy with an [TS]

00:23:51   umbrella stand full swords I'm gonna [TS]

00:23:52   just walk right in his house and steal [TS]

00:23:54   his stuff he probably hadn't been [TS]

00:23:56   sleeping for a while up to that point [TS]

00:23:58   okay yeah anyway so that's how he got [TS]

00:24:01   yeah he had a sleep deficit he probably [TS]

00:24:02   wasn't at the top of his game decision [TS]

00:24:04   wise yeah right and so I'm always [TS]

00:24:06   conscious of the fact that when I'm [TS]

00:24:07   taking a truck nap that some you know [TS]

00:24:11   some Bobby is going to come along and [TS]

00:24:13   rap on the wind chill with a billy club [TS]

00:24:14   say what's all this then it's a no [TS]

00:24:17   parking here you got to move along no [TS]

00:24:19   parking you got to move along and [TS]

00:24:20   then uh you know then I'm coming down [TS]

00:24:25   the stairs out of the public library or [TS]

00:24:26   whatever and the and the cop turns and [TS]

00:24:29   shoots me yeah that's what wiii happen [TS]

00:24:31   yeah so but i feel like the presence of [TS]

00:24:35   a pillow in that scenario any cop is [TS]

00:24:37   going to look in and go unless I'm [TS]

00:24:39   illegally parked right let's say oh this [TS]

00:24:41   guy came equipped with a pillow okay [TS]

00:24:42   pipe on the dash in the man has a teddy [TS]

00:24:44   bear size pillow yeah he's okay but I've [TS]

00:24:47   got it I've got to address this led this [TS]

00:24:49   nighttime sleeping thing you know [TS]

00:24:51   because night time sleeping is also [TS]

00:24:53   important yeah you you you struggled [TS]

00:24:55   with this for quite a while you you were [TS]

00:25:00   thinking about it was an owl's this was [TS]

00:25:02   a ongoing theme in some of their I don't [TS]

00:25:04   like to talk about the show on the show [TS]

00:25:05   but this is an ongoing theme for a while [TS]

00:25:07   here was what was happening with John at [TS]

00:25:09   night yeah I'm tossing and turning and [TS]

00:25:11   my feet are going somebody's app and I [TS]

00:25:14   feel like I've got this if I sleep in [TS]

00:25:17   certain if I sleep in certain postures I [TS]

00:25:20   have sleep apnea and then other postures [TS]

00:25:23   i don't i'm not sure how that works i do [TS]

00:25:25   not want to i do not want to be treated [TS]

00:25:28   for sleep apnea oh Jesus I think I [TS]

00:25:30   started I've started apparently snoring [TS]

00:25:32   loud enough to make my family Matt and [TS]

00:25:35   I'm with the guy I just don't have to [TS]

00:25:37   wear one of those things this really is [TS]

00:25:38   becoming like this is becoming looks [TS]

00:25:40   like a podcast between George Burns and [TS]

00:25:44   fucking peep Steve Allen keep on friends [TS]

00:25:48   yeah people on friends it's like oh how [TS]

00:25:50   long are your nose hairs now pretty long [TS]

00:25:53   they get my way when a guy I groom my [TS]

00:25:57   eyebrows often enough that it is still [TS]

00:25:59   really alarming how often my daughter [TS]

00:26:01   will just be staring like not at my I [TS]

00:26:03   she's like you got another one I'm like [TS]

00:26:04   you're kidding I just I just dealt with [TS]

00:26:06   this so I this is curious to me because [TS]

00:26:09   when I see when I see an older gent YC [TS]

00:26:12   of people keep on who's got unruly [TS]

00:26:15   eyebrows I feel only complete admiration [TS]

00:26:19   and envy yeah you're like a wise doom [TS]

00:26:21   kind of person yeah but every woman I [TS]

00:26:23   know including most vociferously my own [TS]

00:26:25   sister they feel like unruly eyebrows or [TS]

00:26:29   something you know my sister is so [TS]

00:26:31   against unruly [TS]

00:26:32   oh yeah she uh she's pretty fixated on [TS]

00:26:35   that with your dad if memory serves with [TS]

00:26:37   a pair of scissors out of nowhere and [TS]

00:26:39   start sniffing your eyebrows if I she's [TS]

00:26:42   like snit but nobody in my life seems to [TS]

00:26:47   feel like the unruliness of eyebrows is [TS]

00:26:50   a is an advantage and as we've discussed [TS]

00:26:53   before I don't have a ton of eyebrow [TS]

00:26:57   depth particularly not at a distance as [TS]

00:27:01   my eyebrows are very very very blonde [TS]

00:27:04   it's what makes you look in part what [TS]

00:27:07   makes you look so different when your [TS]

00:27:08   glasses are off you have a different [TS]

00:27:09   face yeah right it's why I wear glasses [TS]

00:27:12   to give my eyes some some my brow some [TS]

00:27:15   frame because I just my eyebrows are [TS]

00:27:18   just very very very very hard to see and [TS]

00:27:21   that is infuriating to me because I [TS]

00:27:23   browser where a lot of the character the [TS]

00:27:25   face is located and so when I start to [TS]

00:27:28   get unroot when my eyebrows start to get [TS]

00:27:30   unruly my first thought is well at least [TS]

00:27:32   now as they as they become like a [TS]

00:27:35   hedgerow yeah um even though it's even [TS]

00:27:38   though it's blonde now verging into [TS]

00:27:40   white they'll be like interesting i'll [TS]

00:27:43   be i'll have eyebrow character finally [TS]

00:27:45   and then you know and then my sister is [TS]

00:27:47   like not on my watch Skol I bet it's I I [TS]

00:27:50   suspected with regard to hair I suspect [TS]

00:27:54   it's a little bit like somebody trying [TS]

00:27:55   to grow a beard which obviously you [TS]

00:27:57   don't have a problem with but for like [TS]

00:27:59   people like me like growing a beard is [TS]

00:28:00   very painful to watch you know and [TS]

00:28:03   everybody needs a beer it's everybody's [TS]

00:28:05   growing beards but like you know when [TS]

00:28:07   it's first getting going especially when [TS]

00:28:08   you're younger and like I could never [TS]

00:28:09   get a fill-in right here this is this [TS]

00:28:12   area like right below the size of my [TS]

00:28:14   lips you know there's not that one spot [TS]

00:28:16   that doesn't really fill in very well so [TS]

00:28:19   I gonna go full bite your lip yet you [TS]

00:28:20   know down below like right here and then [TS]

00:28:23   you stop of the Wolfman Jack problem I [TS]

00:28:25   am I don't love me thank you yes just [TS]

00:28:29   capture that well yes i know not beard [TS]

00:28:32   but the thing is like a local jazz [TS]

00:28:35   saxophone players i can i can reference [TS]

00:28:37   your i can reference your riff based on [TS]

00:28:39   your prior riffs of it above up [TS]

00:28:42   oh yeah so anyway I think it's just hard [TS]

00:28:46   to watch your gonna go full dune if [TS]

00:28:48   you're going to become like the dune guy [TS]

00:28:50   and you're going to get really like [TS]

00:28:51   serious cool eyebrows like you're going [TS]

00:28:53   to go nuts you're going to become like a [TS]

00:28:54   like like an adjunct professor or an [TS]

00:28:57   excuse me an emeritus professor if you [TS]

00:28:59   get emeritus eyebrows I think that's [TS]

00:29:01   something anybody could look at and go [TS]

00:29:02   that's press pretty baller the problem [TS]

00:29:04   is when you just got like four of them [TS]

00:29:06   it's a little bit unseemly so you know [TS]

00:29:09   usually commissioner and I need to avoid [TS]

00:29:11   your sister now what about your [TS]

00:29:12   millennium girlfriend how's she feel [TS]

00:29:13   about the eyebrows uh well you know [TS]

00:29:16   she's she's a room she's very accepting [TS]

00:29:22   of a lot of what would be described as [TS]

00:29:26   my peculiarities and I feel like the on [TS]

00:29:32   but you know but she has like she has [TS]

00:29:34   particular she has she has her own very [TS]

00:29:39   specific kind of ways that she likes my [TS]

00:29:43   peculiarities be expressed I think [TS]

00:29:45   that's I think that's a reasonable [TS]

00:29:47   balance so what shows she said an [TS]

00:29:49   interesting thing not very long ago [TS]

00:29:51   which was I do not like people with [TS]

00:29:54   unruly beards and well-groomed hair oh [TS]

00:29:59   it was kinda that's kind of a look now [TS]

00:30:02   yeah that's the fashion and I was the [TS]

00:30:04   hell you get the Macklemore you get like [TS]

00:30:05   like a Rudolph Hess kind of thing going [TS]

00:30:07   on up here and then down here you're all [TS]

00:30:09   iron in wine right she said not into it [TS]

00:30:12   she said I do like it when you have [TS]

00:30:15   unruly hair and a fairly uh trimmed [TS]

00:30:19   beard and I go boom that is what I do i [TS]

00:30:22   do the unruly hair but i keep the beard [TS]

00:30:25   you know kind of like in line that's a [TS]

00:30:27   good right and she said she said yes to [TS]

00:30:31   that not to the other thing and you know [TS]

00:30:33   I I was I i if that was great because [TS]

00:30:36   that's that's my inclination right she [TS]

00:30:39   has not she's not if she came to me and [TS]

00:30:41   said I really like your yeah I really [TS]

00:30:43   like your hair to be super ver mocked [TS]

00:30:45   and your beard to be Grizzly Adams okay [TS]

00:30:49   and she would never say Grizzly Adams [TS]

00:30:50   because that's not a reference that she [TS]

00:30:52   would never understand her me [TS]

00:30:54   but she would say but that's what she [TS]

00:30:56   said Wolfman Jack I would run around the [TS]

00:30:58   yard because Wow whoo Wolfman Jack weird [TS]

00:31:03   but I'm here but Wolfman much anymore no [TS]

00:31:08   you know you heard about him a lot he's [TS]

00:31:10   everywhere and he was like he was like [TS]

00:31:12   the original Charles Nelson Reilly where [TS]

00:31:14   it was very difficult to understand why [TS]

00:31:15   he was that famous was he an American [TS]

00:31:17   Graffiti yes okay yes but you know he [TS]

00:31:21   was already like that was back in the [TS]

00:31:23   times I think when when those really [TS]

00:31:25   powerful outlaw radio stations in the [TS]

00:31:27   Midwest should be heard in 14 states and [TS]

00:31:31   you'd lay awake at night in your room [TS]

00:31:34   with your little radio yeah try to try [TS]

00:31:36   and hear it Wolfman Jack out of time [TS]

00:31:39   tuscaloosa or whatever where was he yeah [TS]

00:31:42   yeah yeah yeah but also radio was a [TS]

00:31:45   fairly regional thing where you can get [TS]

00:31:47   somebody who is like like very well [TS]

00:31:49   known in you know you get like Rodney on [TS]

00:31:51   the rocks or like you get a Wolfman Jack [TS]

00:31:53   and like you know I you would know these [TS]

00:31:55   names but you know not have much context [TS]

00:31:57   for i was i was watching a netflix [TS]

00:32:01   documentary series last night believe it [TS]

00:32:03   or not really good four part series [TS]

00:32:05   about the history of hip-hop and the [TS]

00:32:09   first episode about the early days was [TS]

00:32:10   really really really good and you know [TS]

00:32:12   talk in particular about this one fella [TS]

00:32:13   who like was such an important driver it [TS]

00:32:17   was a radio guy you know it was soon he [TS]

00:32:19   touched on i'm not sure where I'm going [TS]

00:32:21   with this but it wasn't just like cool [TS]

00:32:23   it wasn't just kool herc it wasn't just [TS]

00:32:26   grandmaster flash or you know all the [TS]

00:32:28   names you kind of know from that era it [TS]

00:32:31   was also like pigmeat Markham you know [TS]

00:32:34   here come the judge here come the judge [TS]

00:32:35   like you go back and listen to that song [TS]

00:32:37   from 1968 it's totally a rap song and [TS]

00:32:41   like I don't know I thought it was very [TS]

00:32:42   interesting i'm very interested though [TS]

00:32:43   you think about the history of the [TS]

00:32:45   importance of the DJ and like that you [TS]

00:32:48   don't get that so much anymore like even [TS]

00:32:51   in the 80s you had like Casey Kasem you [TS]

00:32:54   still had dick clark and like you know [TS]

00:32:56   now today if people know dick clark [TS]

00:32:58   they're going to know him as probably [TS]

00:33:00   from bloopers or New Year's Eve well no [TS]

00:33:02   dear that's a quote in the inland in the [TS]

00:33:05   early 80s in Anchorage at least [TS]

00:33:07   the DJ's were still a well-known local [TS]

00:33:11   personalities and I aspired to be one [TS]

00:33:14   like that was the first job I really [TS]

00:33:17   wanted and that I imagined was like [TS]

00:33:20   perfectly suited to me was radio DJ and [TS]

00:33:24   I listened to the radio you know we all [TS]

00:33:28   listened to the radio all the time but I [TS]

00:33:29   listened to the radio with that in mind [TS]

00:33:30   that this was potentially my career and [TS]

00:33:34   at 16 years old I reflect back on this [TS]

00:33:37   and I do not I do not remember ever [TS]

00:33:40   having this much Moxie but I did have [TS]

00:33:44   moxie I apparently I had a ton of moxie [TS]

00:33:48   because I actually did this which was I [TS]

00:33:50   went around to every single radio [TS]

00:33:52   station in Anchorage and applied for a [TS]

00:33:56   job how old were you 16 years old Wow [TS]

00:33:59   and I I would walk into the you know and [TS]

00:34:03   radio stations are not that glamorous [TS]

00:34:04   when you walk in to the they're usually [TS]

00:34:07   also pretty well fortified they are [TS]

00:34:09   their fortified they're they're [TS]

00:34:11   generally like in strange buildings like [TS]

00:34:13   I think they dealt with strangers [TS]

00:34:15   wandering in a lot at a radio station [TS]

00:34:17   yeah right you don't walk in and meet [TS]

00:34:20   loni anderson no um typically walk in [TS]

00:34:26   and all the door they're there for doors [TS]

00:34:30   leading out of the out of the anteroom [TS]

00:34:32   and all of them are locked you know but [TS]

00:34:35   I what I went around and I said to each [TS]

00:34:37   person like hello my name is John [TS]

00:34:39   Roderick and I would like to work here [TS]

00:34:41   at your radio station may I have an [TS]

00:34:43   application and the breath the person on [TS]

00:34:46   the other you know like whoever was [TS]

00:34:48   there whoever was standing there or [TS]

00:34:50   whoever but buzz me in generally someone [TS]

00:34:54   who looked like who had a cigarette [TS]

00:34:56   dangling out of their mouth or you know [TS]

00:34:58   who who looked like they'd just gotten [TS]

00:35:00   done like fixing radios would say huh [TS]

00:35:03   and I'd say yes I am here to apply for a [TS]

00:35:06   job as a DJ I hear DJs on the radio I [TS]

00:35:09   believe I would be a good one [TS]

00:35:12   may I have an application please and [TS]

00:35:15   again they're just like you're squinting [TS]

00:35:18   at me through the haze like you say what [TS]

00:35:20   now yeah and and apparently what I [TS]

00:35:23   didn't understand is that that's not how [TS]

00:35:25   you can chose TJ it's all you know it's [TS]

00:35:27   like it's like you don't get a job in a [TS]

00:35:30   regional theater company by walking in [TS]

00:35:32   and saying hello I would like to join [TS]

00:35:34   your regional theater company right it's [TS]

00:35:35   like a you get ideas I you found your [TS]

00:35:38   Hamlet let me in yeah you get you get [TS]

00:35:41   into you get into it another way but so [TS]

00:35:43   I went around and applied everywhere and [TS]

00:35:46   I was I was agnostic about format I was [TS]

00:35:49   like listen I'll do I'll do country I'll [TS]

00:35:52   do sports I'll do R&B like doesn't [TS]

00:35:55   matter and you should you should have [TS]

00:35:57   seen the reaction when I went into the [TS]

00:35:59   R&B radio stations was like I would like [TS]

00:36:01   to be a DJ here but but I applied all [TS]

00:36:05   over town I did not get a very many [TS]

00:36:10   callbacks and the callbacks that i did [TS]

00:36:13   get were uh well you could hear someone [TS]

00:36:17   on the other end of the line like muffle [TS]

00:36:19   the phone receiver and everyone in the [TS]

00:36:21   room was laughing oh no so I did and I [TS]

00:36:24   was just like listen I don't think you [TS]

00:36:25   people understand the opportunity you're [TS]

00:36:27   being given here this is me at the start [TS]

00:36:30   of my career who wants to launch it [TS]

00:36:31   right right and they were like thanks [TS]

00:36:34   thanks for stopping by will put your [TS]

00:36:36   application on file you know States late [TS]

00:36:39   like digging around they found an [TS]

00:36:41   application half the time they handed me [TS]

00:36:42   a yellow legal pad well I can fill out [TS]

00:36:45   your own application but but eventually [TS]

00:36:49   you know I went down in and I went down [TS]

00:36:51   to the local UHF 24-hour music video [TS]

00:36:57   television station that it just opened [TS]

00:36:59   I've told you this story i'm sure my [TS]

00:37:01   money I feel like I don't know this one [TS]

00:37:05   I know tell me again in Anchorage him in [TS]

00:37:08   the mid 80s there was a success of MTV [TS]

00:37:12   brought uh like a new business model [TS]

00:37:15   mm-hmm the low operating costs of MTV I [TS]

00:37:19   mean right I people just a joke you free [TS]

00:37:21   stuff to put up well me yeah they had [TS]

00:37:24   fled what [TS]

00:37:25   five old radio detour five you know like [TS]

00:37:28   what were I think considered the cool [TS]

00:37:32   radio DJs and they just SAT there [TS]

00:37:34   basically played blade videos but what [TS]

00:37:38   we didn't know and what we didn't know [TS]

00:37:39   about them what we didn't know about [TS]

00:37:40   Casey Kasem or at least I didn't know [TS]

00:37:42   was it wasn't recorded in real time [TS]

00:37:44   right they could just write it wasn't [TS]

00:37:47   like there was always somebody sitting [TS]

00:37:48   there like watching the video oh it's [TS]

00:37:49   and here we go flock of seagulls with [TS]

00:37:52   Iran their palm I guess they're cheating [TS]

00:37:55   yeah he walked along the Avenue look at [TS]

00:37:57   that no actually watching the video [TS]

00:37:59   while it's playing get a cup of tea and [TS]

00:38:02   wander around like like howard hesseman [TS]

00:38:04   but but you're only the lonely can play [TS]

00:38:06   hmm so why is they hey that's right [TS]

00:38:11   that's right that but but that was how [TS]

00:38:13   they did it at regional radio stations [TS]

00:38:16   right at local radio oh absolutely right [TS]

00:38:18   it was all happening in real time [TS]

00:38:19   because they had to be there to answer [TS]

00:38:20   the telephone when you called and so [TS]

00:38:24   this regional model was hey there's all [TS]

00:38:27   this UHF frequency which I which they [TS]

00:38:31   still don't understand but I sort of [TS]

00:38:34   understand why UHF wasn't like [TS]

00:38:36   completely populated by television [TS]

00:38:38   channels but I guess you get a license [TS]

00:38:41   but i agree with you why weren't there [TS]

00:38:43   like 10 UHS stations all we had was [TS]

00:38:45   independent in PBS I feel like the I [TS]

00:38:48   feel like the barrier to entry is do can [TS]

00:38:51   you get a transmitter can you get a [TS]

00:38:52   powerful enough transmitter that you can [TS]

00:38:54   be seen anywhere right just for a quick [TS]

00:38:57   real-time fact-check Wolfman Jack was [TS]

00:38:59   indeed broadcasting from a border [TS]

00:39:01   station so he is in like LA but there [TS]

00:39:05   was this X er be was like like 50 miles [TS]

00:39:08   away and shooting of 50,000 watts well [TS]

00:39:11   and I think I think even before he was [TS]

00:39:12   in LA he if I recall his story correctly [TS]

00:39:15   he was down in Texas or something and [TS]

00:39:17   went over and was like I'm on a Mexican [TS]

00:39:20   radio radio or you know it might have [TS]

00:39:23   even been like i hoid it I hate it put [TS]

00:39:26   it all [TS]

00:39:27   x-men council breakup border blaster [TS]

00:39:30   station Rosarito Beach Mako branded as [TS]

00:39:34   the mighty 1090 in hollywood california [TS]

00:39:36   the station boasted 50,000 watts of boss [TS]

00:39:39   soul power there we go boss soul power [TS]

00:39:41   Merle hmm anyway so uh so in in them I [TS]

00:39:46   don't know early eighties mid 80s there [TS]

00:39:49   was this thing with like hey music [TS]

00:39:51   videos are easy to get a hold of they're [TS]

00:39:53   just they're thick on the ground right [TS]

00:39:54   now cuz everybody's making them um why [TS]

00:39:57   don't we we were watching them I would [TS]

00:39:59   every every spare minute I had before [TS]

00:40:01   school after school before bed every [TS]

00:40:03   spare minute I could I was like how do I [TS]

00:40:04   get more of the videos yeah I'm sitting [TS]

00:40:06   there trying to I'm sitting there [TS]

00:40:07   waiting for the captain sensible Vidya [TS]

00:40:09   to come back on the MTV only played that [TS]

00:40:12   captain sensible video 15 times in the [TS]

00:40:14   is this like this is dumb and they threw [TS]

00:40:16   it in the wastepaper basket but I [TS]

00:40:18   suppose me and stand and deliver by Adam [TS]

00:40:19   in the ants it was a real rarity like [TS]

00:40:21   when it came on it was like I made my [TS]

00:40:22   day machines and then chop Chomp Chomp [TS]

00:40:27   indeed Chomp Chomp so they're so in [TS]

00:40:31   Anchorage and it's just one of the very [TS]

00:40:33   few like that I think it was only a [TS]

00:40:35   handful of places in the United States a [TS]

00:40:37   group of business people said this is [TS]

00:40:39   the future of television it's like radio [TS]

00:40:42   and all we have to do is hook it up to a [TS]

00:40:44   transmitter and hire some hire some [TS]

00:40:46   young people to understand the lexicon [TS]

00:40:50   we'll get a bunch of videos which it's [TS]

00:40:53   not hard to acquire somehow i guess [TS]

00:40:55   probably because record companies were [TS]

00:40:57   like throat just shooting videos out of [TS]

00:40:59   a cannon at whoever would take him and [TS]

00:41:02   they opened a television station called [TS]

00:41:04   catch-22 on UHF station 22 where they [TS]

00:41:08   played music videos and it was local [TS]

00:41:10   deed local vijay's and when that came on [TS]

00:41:14   the air i had already applied all over [TS]

00:41:15   town at all of the all the radio [TS]

00:41:18   stations and I was like you have got to [TS]

00:41:20   be freaking kidding me we just opened [TS]

00:41:23   our own local MTV catch-22 where the you [TS]

00:41:27   know the music station where the music [TS]

00:41:29   is or whatever the look that were the [TS]

00:41:32   GAD phrase was that you written all over [TS]

00:41:34   it yeah and I was just like you've got [TS]

00:41:36   aw and I ran down there [TS]

00:41:39   put in my application and they laughed [TS]

00:41:40   at me but because of this Moxie that I'm [TS]

00:41:43   describing I just kept going back I went [TS]

00:41:46   down there and I would sit in the lobby [TS]

00:41:48   I made a video tape of myself in front [TS]

00:41:52   of the camera and of course I didn't own [TS]

00:41:54   a video camera so I had to go use a [TS]

00:41:56   friends video camera and I SAT there and [TS]

00:41:59   was like hey everybody hey Anchorage [TS]

00:42:02   that last track you saw was Jeff was def [TS]

00:42:06   leppard an upcoming is the is the ZZ Top [TS]

00:42:09   and stay tuned and then you know I did a [TS]

00:42:12   bunch of those and made this video did [TS]

00:42:15   you find the video I took it down there [TS]

00:42:17   and I handed it off to the to the you [TS]

00:42:19   know and and and and catch 22 actually [TS]

00:42:22   did have a loni anderson who was very [TS]

00:42:24   gentle with me but every time i came in [TS]

00:42:27   she would she'd say oh the program [TS]

00:42:29   director is in a meeting he'll be with [TS]

00:42:31   you in a moment and I would sit on the [TS]

00:42:32   chair I was you know I had grown I'd had [TS]

00:42:35   my growth spurt already but I still felt [TS]

00:42:37   like the chair was very tall and I would [TS]

00:42:39   swing my legs my in my short pants with [TS]

00:42:43   my socks pulled up to my knees plague [TS]

00:42:45   clean paddle all game and then there [TS]

00:42:49   obviously was a back door to this place [TS]

00:42:50   because then it would get to be the [TS]

00:42:53   close of the business day and she would [TS]

00:42:55   say oh I'm afraid that he couldn't see [TS]

00:42:56   you today he's already welded miserable [TS]

00:42:58   your Rupert Pupkin yeah it happened many [TS]

00:43:00   many times uh and then somehow and I [TS]

00:43:04   just kept going I don't and I cannot [TS]

00:43:06   think of another oh wait a minute [TS]

00:43:08   there's another example and it happened [TS]

00:43:09   at the same time of my life when I [TS]

00:43:11   decided that I was going to that I was [TS]

00:43:13   going to be Kelly keepers boyfriend all [TS]

00:43:15   right and I've ever had I never had a [TS]

00:43:17   girlfriend before I didn't know how to [TS]

00:43:18   do it and so I just was like I just kept [TS]

00:43:20   sending her notes he's confident Nora I [TS]

00:43:21   did I was like I'm gonna be your [TS]

00:43:24   boyfriend and cheese she would say no [TS]

00:43:25   you're not that lasted for months until [TS]

00:43:28   I was her boyfriends but I saw it so at [TS]

00:43:33   this point and I don't know why I didn't [TS]

00:43:35   learn this lesson because it worked with [TS]

00:43:37   Kelly keeper and it eventually worked [TS]

00:43:38   with catch-22 I kept going down there [TS]

00:43:40   until finally he came out the great [TS]

00:43:42   Richard Hadlee who was one of only two [TS]

00:43:46   rockabilly guys in all of Anchorage [TS]

00:43:47   Richard Hadlee finally came out from [TS]

00:43:50   behind his magic wall [TS]

00:43:52   and said all right kid I looked at your [TS]

00:43:55   tape it was terrible there's no way I'm [TS]

00:43:56   putting you on the air but i will give [TS]

00:43:58   you a job as long as you promise never [TS]

00:44:00   to skip school I promised him he said if [TS]

00:44:04   I ever catch you skipping school you're [TS]

00:44:05   fired and I was like I swear I'm swear I [TS]

00:44:08   won't skip school and then yeah he gave [TS]

00:44:11   me a job and my you know and I'm and my [TS]

00:44:13   my my shows were overnight so I actually [TS]

00:44:15   I I should have learned at that from [TS]

00:44:19   those experiences that if you have moxie [TS]

00:44:21   uh you can you know you can accomplish [TS]

00:44:24   anything but i think if i if i look back [TS]

00:44:27   those are after i got that job at [TS]

00:44:29   catch-22 I never had ever had any moxie [TS]

00:44:31   again whatever when Moxie I you know I [TS]

00:44:33   forget about Moxie but Moxie's [TS]

00:44:35   definitely a thing yeah I stopped [TS]

00:44:37   ringing doorbells I stopped going in and [TS]

00:44:39   sitting in people's offices and swinging [TS]

00:44:41   my feet yeah I stopped I stop saying you [TS]

00:44:43   know what sir I'm gonna be the best [TS]

00:44:45   salesperson this store has ever had I [TS]

00:44:47   oak wait I tried one more time mm-hmm [TS]

00:44:49   when I was 24 and I was trying to decide [TS]

00:44:53   whether or not I was going to be a [TS]

00:44:55   professional alcoholic or whether I was [TS]

00:44:57   gonna you know whether I really had the [TS]

00:44:59   with whether I had the Moxie to do that [TS]

00:45:01   really going for the green jacket just [TS]

00:45:04   like listen that's right am I gonna [TS]

00:45:06   going to augusta here or am I gonna be [TS]

00:45:10   am I gonna be a pro at a like a [TS]

00:45:12   community golf course right and I was [TS]

00:45:16   thinking to myself because I was trying [TS]

00:45:17   to work downtown I was trying to work i [TS]

00:45:20   worked at piper jaffray which was a [TS]

00:45:21   investment bank this is the place I had [TS]

00:45:23   all their other files in the top floor [TS]

00:45:25   that's right that's good and and I would [TS]

00:45:27   sit at a manual typewriter and type out [TS]

00:45:29   these million and a half dollar checks [TS]

00:45:31   to the Gates's while i was wearing [TS]

00:45:33   combat boots because hey typewriter oh [TS]

00:45:36   and I said this isn't this isn't for me [TS]

00:45:40   this is not I mean there are plenty of [TS]

00:45:43   people at this investment bank who are [TS]

00:45:45   professional alcoholics but they are [TS]

00:45:47   coming at this from somewhere else they [TS]

00:45:49   got a they got a business degree from [TS]

00:45:51   the you know Washington State University [TS]

00:45:54   and they're in here and you know they [TS]

00:45:56   did not pursue this job in order to put [TS]

00:46:00   a mat put it put a beard on their [TS]

00:46:02   functional alcoholism that is a the [TS]

00:46:05   ilysm is a byproduct of trying to sell [TS]

00:46:08   stocks too okay all right I'm calling [TS]

00:46:10   people to sell stocks and I'm going the [TS]

00:46:12   other direction I'm starting out with [TS]

00:46:14   alcoholism as the goal what kind of job [TS]

00:46:16   will allow me to you know will allow me [TS]

00:46:20   to pursue my true vocation and I said to [TS]

00:46:23   I said to myself used car salesman used [TS]

00:46:29   car salesman is the perfect job for me I [TS]

00:46:31   like I like people unlike cars I like [TS]

00:46:34   talking to people mm-hmm um yeah yeah we [TS]

00:46:37   get him a bottle in your desk how cool [TS]

00:46:38   would that be exactly but you just got a [TS]

00:46:40   flask in your hip pocket you're like [TS]

00:46:41   Kurt Russell and used cars and a blazer [TS]

00:46:45   you get to wear a freaking kooky blazer [TS]

00:46:48   you get to go outside you get that you [TS]

00:46:50   get to you get to ask people what do I [TS]

00:46:52   have to do today to put you in this [TS]

00:46:54   sedan that's how you get out there you [TS]

00:46:55   say look the undercoating comes comes [TS]

00:46:57   like that from the fact I manager but [TS]

00:46:59   you know it's a used car right so you [TS]

00:47:01   don't even have to you don't even have [TS]

00:47:03   to do that and on okay now that I'm [TS]

00:47:06   remembering this correctly when I was [TS]

00:47:08   taking this is this was not an idea that [TS]

00:47:10   started when I was 24 because when I was [TS]

00:47:12   applying at radio stations at the age of [TS]

00:47:14   16 I was also applying at used car lots [TS]

00:47:16   in Anchorage I absolutely did this you [TS]

00:47:20   have more moxie than you realized I [TS]

00:47:21   forgot completely about that side of the [TS]

00:47:23   story I was applying at radio stations [TS]

00:47:25   and at used car lots because somehow I [TS]

00:47:28   recognized that the two jobs were very [TS]

00:47:30   very similar to one another Wow and when [TS]

00:47:33   I rolled up on used-car Lots where there [TS]

00:47:35   actually were like strings of flags [TS]

00:47:38   flapping in the wind and a double-wide [TS]

00:47:40   trailer set set at the long axis at the [TS]

00:47:45   end of the parking lot with a kind of [TS]

00:47:46   with some steps up to it and a and a [TS]

00:47:48   like a screen door cut into the side I I [TS]

00:47:51   distinctly remember walking across this [TS]

00:47:55   parking lot and there was a guy standing [TS]

00:47:56   at the top of the of the steps up to the [TS]

00:48:00   double-wide trailer with the sliding [TS]

00:48:02   glass door open because it was spring [TS]

00:48:04   and he's standing there smokey I'm I am [TS]

00:48:07   remembering him smoking a cigar I have [TS]

00:48:09   no idea whether he was or not but he is [TS]

00:48:12   a genuine herb tarling standing up there [TS]

00:48:15   and he sees me coming and he imagines to [TS]

00:48:17   himself here's a six [TS]

00:48:18   year old I'm gonna put him into a 1969 [TS]

00:48:20   dodge dart says he's looking for his [TS]

00:48:23   first car sure and I walked up and I was [TS]

00:48:26   like sir I am ready to work for you and [TS]

00:48:29   he said how old are you I said 16 but i [TS]

00:48:33   can do anything i can do anything around [TS]

00:48:35   here but the thing was what i was not [TS]

00:48:36   saying to him i'm ready to wash cars I'm [TS]

00:48:38   ready to I'm ready to schlep stuff [TS]

00:48:40   around in order to learn your trade sir [TS]

00:48:43   I am ready to apprentice to you know I [TS]

00:48:46   was walking up saying I am a born used [TS]

00:48:49   car salesman and just turned me loose [TS]

00:48:53   you're not you're not Danielson you're [TS]

00:48:54   mr. Miyagi that's right put a blazer on [TS]

00:48:57   me and that turned me loose on people [TS]

00:48:59   and he had the he had the he had an even [TS]

00:49:02   worse look than the than the radio [TS]

00:49:06   station people he was just like.he [TS]

00:49:07   because it was like I walked in as far [TS]

00:49:10   as he was concerned it was like I walked [TS]

00:49:11   into an emergency rooms and sent to the [TS]

00:49:15   emergency room doctor step aside my good [TS]

00:49:19   man and let me show you you know what [TS]

00:49:21   I'm twirling scalpers and evil in you [TS]

00:49:24   I'm 16 huh 16 have you ever seen Doogie [TS]

00:49:27   Howser it hasn't even come on the area [TS]

00:49:28   because i am he your kids are gonna love [TS]

00:49:31   it but so i went down so at 24 i guess i [TS]

00:49:35   revisited this idea like this is going [TS]

00:49:38   to be a great job for me as I practice [TS]

00:49:41   my my my true art form uh-huh which is [TS]

00:49:44   dissolution i'm gonna go i'm gonna do [TS]

00:49:51   this I'm gonna make this real but I went [TS]

00:49:53   down to honda dealership which also ran [TS]

00:49:56   up Rani a used car lot it was right down [TS]

00:49:58   the hill from where I lived and I walked [TS]

00:50:01   in and the sales people were about my [TS]

00:50:05   age really yeah you know guys in their [TS]

00:50:09   mid 20 s some cards Wow um and they are [TS]

00:50:14   so I walk in and they are hustling these [TS]

00:50:17   guys are moving fast they're what [TS]

00:50:19   they're fast walkers mm-hmm you got a [TS]

00:50:22   big car locks right in the scent of ten [TS]

00:50:23   and i said hey you know I said hey there [TS]

00:50:26   I'm looking for looking for a job I [TS]

00:50:29   think I'm a born I man [TS]

00:50:30   chill at this and the manager who was 35 [TS]

00:50:34   to be kind of seriously although i was [TS]

00:50:40   wearing combat boots and i had a soul [TS]

00:50:42   patch uh-huh and probably a puka shell [TS]

00:50:45   necklace little young huh and so he [TS]

00:50:49   actually gave me a real application [TS]

00:50:51   which I filled out and then he actually [TS]

00:50:53   gave me an interview where I went and [TS]

00:50:56   sat at a desk and he was like uh all [TS]

00:51:00   right well let's talk about this you [TS]

00:51:01   know you you looking for a job we're [TS]

00:51:03   looking we're looking for people and I [TS]

00:51:05   said well I think it's a match made in [TS]

00:51:06   heaven and I was ready to start that day [TS]

00:51:08   because I'd been out of work for a while [TS]

00:51:11   and I needed some cash uh-huh and he [TS]

00:51:13   said all right well you know tell me [TS]

00:51:15   about yourself and we SAT and chatted [TS]

00:51:16   and depth it up top and then I said so I [TS]

00:51:21   mean my idea is right this is 9-5 job [TS]

00:51:25   and right and your weekends off and I'm [TS]

00:51:29   sometimes my band plays on friday so i [TS]

00:51:35   would need to get off a little bit early [TS]

00:51:36   in order to make it to sound check and [TS]

00:51:38   you know we practice on tuesdays and [TS]

00:51:41   thursdays so yeah kind of probably out [TS]

00:51:44   of here for 45 he's just he's just [TS]

00:51:47   sitting there with his chin on his hand [TS]

00:51:49   anything else and I said and yeah you [TS]

00:51:54   know given that it's you selling used [TS]

00:51:56   cars it's not like you got to be here at [TS]

00:51:57   seven right who's buying a car at seven [TS]

00:51:59   so you know feeling like rolling at ten [TS]

00:52:03   roll out of for your major like managing [TS]

00:52:06   expectations yeah I feel like I'm gonna [TS]

00:52:09   sell a bunch of cars in that time and he [TS]

00:52:11   listens to me talk for a while and and [TS]

00:52:14   lay out what my expectations are and [TS]

00:52:16   then he does a very curious thing which [TS]

00:52:19   is some guys fast walking past and this [TS]

00:52:22   is the era of the wet look in men's hair [TS]

00:52:26   gel fashioned yo yes oh yeah I was a [TS]

00:52:28   dippity do man yeah a lot of hair gel [TS]

00:52:30   which causes your hair to become brittle [TS]

00:52:33   like the top of a meringue right now I [TS]

00:52:37   know it's very crispy yeah and and yet [TS]

00:52:41   also looks [TS]

00:52:42   wet like like it's bit solid solid as as [TS]

00:52:46   lucite but wet-looking and this guy's [TS]

00:52:49   fast walking past and he's got this [TS]

00:52:51   short hair but it's wet it's wet [TS]

00:52:53   dippity-do covered it and the managers [TS]

00:52:56   like hey uh you know hey Brendan or [TS]

00:52:59   whatever hang on a second and Brendan [TS]

00:53:01   like goes from fast walking to stopped [TS]

00:53:03   he's like what can I do for you bye [TS]

00:53:05   what's what's up Bob what would he need [TS]

00:53:07   as a batch of my top and the bob says [TS]

00:53:10   hey would you tell uh would you tell [TS]

00:53:12   John here kind of what your schedule is [TS]

00:53:14   like things like huh what my you mean my [TS]

00:53:16   work kids yeah as a matter of fact sure [TS]

00:53:18   I will you know I was me penny and [TS]

00:53:20   buried they're very friendly yeah sure [TS]

00:53:22   any kind of puts his hand on the back of [TS]

00:53:24   my chair and he's like get here about [TS]

00:53:25   seven I stayed till about ten or eleven [TS]

00:53:28   o'clock at night every day I'm here [TS]

00:53:30   seven days a week I'm just hustling you [TS]

00:53:32   know what I mean like I'm everyday i'm [TS]

00:53:34   hustlin I'm trying to sell some cars [TS]

00:53:36   here and if somebody needs me to stay if [TS]

00:53:38   somebody you know somebody can't decide [TS]

00:53:40   and then it's nine-thirty p.m. and they [TS]

00:53:42   want me to stay til 10 you better [TS]

00:53:45   understand you know he's got PMA he's [TS]

00:53:47   got positive mental attitude you freakin [TS]

00:53:49   does and he's trying to put some people [TS]

00:53:50   in smaller mobiles and as he breaks it [TS]

00:53:53   down super friendly and bob is super [TS]

00:53:56   friendly I'm sitting in the chair [TS]

00:53:58   realizing whoa this is not the job for [TS]

00:54:01   me at all where's all this hustle coming [TS]

00:54:03   from these guys really care you've [TS]

00:54:06   already shown an extraordinary amount of [TS]

00:54:07   moxie just to be there it seems like at [TS]

00:54:09   this point you should be able to just [TS]

00:54:10   kind of rest on your laurels well sure [TS]

00:54:13   and I mean I don't know if they've ever [TS]

00:54:14   seen me in action uh you assume you'd be [TS]

00:54:17   great at it you know the thing is there [TS]

00:54:19   are stormtroopers right and there are [TS]

00:54:21   Jedi North troopers seem to be marching [TS]

00:54:24   all the time they're marching down the [TS]

00:54:25   hall there marching this way they're [TS]

00:54:27   marching that way they got that little [TS]

00:54:28   toaster following them really fast [TS]

00:54:30   toaster doesn't seem to be able to get [TS]

00:54:32   down a hall without without bumping into [TS]

00:54:34   a wall yes whereas a Jedi mm-hmm just [TS]

00:54:38   kind of sneaks around Dresden or dm's [TS]

00:54:41   like exactly you're coming you know [TS]

00:54:43   Polly he didn't he didn't move fast cuz [TS]

00:54:45   he didn't need to move fast maybe you [TS]

00:54:47   you know I'm saying you come in there [TS]

00:54:49   you're gonna change the temperature in [TS]

00:54:51   the room my friend yeah that's right [TS]

00:54:52   you're gonna be like John Roderick in [TS]

00:54:54   their date you're gonna learn [TS]

00:54:55   lot about how to how to move some [TS]

00:54:56   automobiles precisely it's a it's a [TS]

00:54:58   Sicilian message it means Luca Brasi [TS]

00:55:00   sleeps with the fishes what I'm what I'm [TS]

00:55:02   saying is you don't know I'm gonna walk [TS]

00:55:05   into this used car lot dressed in a [TS]

00:55:06   burlap road and I'm gonna say with the [TS]

00:55:10   with puka shells and I'm gonna stay this [TS]

00:55:13   isn't the dart you're looking for no I [TS]

00:55:14   used to work with your father and then [TS]

00:55:16   people are gonna be driving out of here [TS]

00:55:18   it's gonna be a freakin traffic jam at [TS]

00:55:21   the next light the number of people in [TS]

00:55:24   Honda Civics heading in every direction [TS]

00:55:25   uh so I feel a great disturbance in the [TS]

00:55:30   force as if thousands of people are [TS]

00:55:32   suddenly going to get a great deal on [TS]

00:55:33   finance yeah it's like thousands of [TS]

00:55:35   people are driving CRX is it a you know [TS]

00:55:37   like on their way I'll just always think [TS]

00:55:40   of you wearing the robe what the hood [TS]

00:55:42   putting balloons with the carts good but [TS]

00:55:49   I'm filling up balloons right that sound [TS]

00:55:51   Mike you got PMA you got positive mental [TS]

00:55:53   attitude you got a little bit of moxie [TS]

00:55:55   and you just happen to be a Jew who [TS]

00:55:56   sells yes yep people are gonna see that [TS]

00:55:59   Moxie they're good they're gonna see [TS]

00:56:01   sense the Moxie they're gonna feel it [TS]

00:56:03   they're gonna be over at carl's jr. and [TS]

00:56:04   go like I think I might need a new [TS]

00:56:05   automobile yeah that's right I'm gonna [TS]

00:56:07   walk out the door of that of that [TS]

00:56:08   double-wide trailer and the Jawas are [TS]

00:56:10   gonna scatter and then little broken [TS]

00:56:16   droids of me lying around in the sand [TS]

00:56:19   he's got a bad motivator so it's gonna [TS]

00:56:27   you know what its gonna be like fucking [TS]

00:56:29   swamp and nerf rats yeah I know they're [TS]

00:56:32   Ferger I see it in my in my in my mind's [TS]

00:56:35   Jedi I right now I see you fundamentally [TS]

00:56:39   changing the way the cars were sold I [TS]

00:56:41   see it I see it that's what I thought [TS]

00:56:43   too but what how Bob Bob was trying to [TS]

00:56:45   give you a little bit of his own a [TS]

00:56:46   little a little bit of Jedi from Bob [TS]

00:56:48   honey did you leave a mind trick [TS]

00:56:50   Brendan's leaning in and he told me [TS]

00:56:53   about his schedule but I look around and [TS]

00:56:55   I'm seeing that Chet and and Dougie and [TS]

00:56:59   the other guys have all been listening [TS]

00:57:02   in on my interview because it's an [TS]

00:57:04   open-plan office which is to say there's [TS]

00:57:07   just a bunch of desks in the in the [TS]

00:57:08   lobby of [TS]

00:57:09   dealership they've all been listening [TS]

00:57:11   and they're all smirking and this is the [TS]

00:57:14   one tonight and I think I think as [TS]

00:57:17   Brendan walked by and got grabbed by Bob [TS]

00:57:19   he had also been listening and was also [TS]

00:57:21   smirking and this was one of the rare [TS]

00:57:23   instances where a whole bunch of guys [TS]

00:57:25   with dippity-do in their hair smirking [TS]

00:57:27   at me was justified they were [TS]

00:57:31   justifiably Sparky yeah yeah because [TS]

00:57:33   again i had walked in to hockey practice [TS]

00:57:36   with a pair of skis and I'd said look I [TS]

00:57:40   got this have you guys met you guys [TS]

00:57:41   maybe have never seen a guy audition for [TS]

00:57:45   the Oilers with skis but here I am [TS]

00:57:49   you're the problems of the [TS]

00:57:51   outside-the-box thinker is that in a [TS]

00:57:54   given context you need somebody who fuzz [TS]

00:57:56   first understands what the fucking box [TS]

00:57:57   is before they decide to be out of it [TS]

00:57:59   you gotta know what the box you don't [TS]

00:58:01   know what the pot you know saying I [TS]

00:58:02   didn't know the box was right like you [TS]

00:58:04   know you don't get to be Picasso by just [TS]

00:58:06   you know scribbling on a page you know [TS]

00:58:08   in that case but that's that's what it [TS]

00:58:09   feels like and this is that weird [TS]

00:58:10   provincialism of youth is really feeling [TS]

00:58:14   like you know it's like God my friend [TS]

00:58:15   hair used to say he's like I've never [TS]

00:58:17   played drums but I just feel like I'd be [TS]

00:58:18   really good at drums yeah he did [TS]

00:58:20   eventually learn to play drums but you [TS]

00:58:22   know that feeling give me the tennis [TS]

00:58:23   racket obviously I'm Pete Townsend yeah [TS]

00:58:26   well and and I'm picturing the situation [TS]

00:58:28   where like I'm standing there in the car [TS]

00:58:30   lot and like hamid karzai with his 11th [TS]

00:58:34   fret as 11 family members arrived was [TS]

00:58:38   wearing his azz Afghani Duke and he says [TS]

00:58:41   I want to get into a CRX and I say [TS]

00:58:43   awesome we're gonna make this happen I [TS]

00:58:46   got band practice but let me give you my [TS]

00:58:50   card tomorrow morning come sign you know [TS]

00:58:52   sign the document so you'd be also [TS]

00:58:53   moving into fleet sales well I mean or [TS]

00:58:56   you know who knows what who knows what [TS]

00:58:59   cars i was looking for at to test a good [TS]

00:59:00   point yeah he might not want to be too [TS]

00:59:02   matchy-matchy exactly and you know and [TS]

00:59:05   well i don't know i don't know exactly [TS]

00:59:06   at that point what the best honda for a [TS]

00:59:09   desert environment is right because that [TS]

00:59:11   was the biggest problem with the thing [TS]

00:59:14   is you get people who are too [TS]

00:59:15   constrained by the idea that they have [TS]

00:59:16   to understand how to be a car salesman [TS]

00:59:17   you're going to miss a lot of people [TS]

00:59:19   you're going to miss a lot of Jedi's [TS]

00:59:20   with PMA [TS]

00:59:22   sighs yeah Prissy's anyway so i look [TS]

00:59:26   around and i realized that i am a figure [TS]

00:59:27   of fun 226 dippity-do guys who used to [TS]

00:59:34   be in the same fraternity at the [TS]

00:59:35   University of the University of [TS]

00:59:37   California Davis and so I skid and Bob [TS]

00:59:45   is real super nice about it and he's [TS]

00:59:48   like um so anyway based on this I feel [TS]

00:59:52   like uh you know do some thinking on it [TS]

00:59:56   about like hat and he actually says that [TS]

00:59:56   about like hat and he actually says that [TS]

01:00:00   it's about how committed you are to [TS]

01:00:01   selling cars and I stood up and he stood [TS]

01:00:06   up and we shook hands and I was like I'm [TS]

01:00:08   gonna go do some hard thinking on this [TS]

01:00:10   and he was like okay great get back to [TS]

01:00:12   us because we are looking for somebody [TS]

01:00:14   soup that I was the interesting I was [TS]

01:00:17   like very good talk to you I'm sure [TS]

01:00:20   we'll talk again he was like could I [TS]

01:00:21   look forward to it and everybody in the [TS]

01:00:23   everybody in the place as I walked out [TS]

01:00:24   the door was like thanks for stopping by [TS]

01:00:26   look forward to talking to you you know [TS]

01:00:28   and really really nice as they just as [TS]

01:00:31   we I moved toward the door and they had [TS]

01:00:35   a very light hand on my back but desde [TS]

01:00:38   have your process what was really [TS]

01:00:40   happening cuz I mean do you think it was [TS]

01:00:43   ultimately a kind of sales job were they [TS]

01:00:46   staying in character they didn't they [TS]

01:00:48   didn't like break into behind-the-scenes [TS]

01:00:51   mode in any way it sounds like no I [TS]

01:00:53   think it was I think it was a situation [TS]

01:00:55   where car dealers i'm betting have [TS]

01:00:59   already I mean they know as well as we [TS]

01:01:02   do that there is a cliche or right that [TS]

01:01:05   there is a that people cast aspersions [TS]

01:01:07   upon them and so within their fraternity [TS]

01:01:10   they are they understand that they are [TS]

01:01:15   actually a breed apart and they embrace [TS]

01:01:18   the idea that they are are they embrace [TS]

01:01:22   the the misunderstanding that they are [TS]

01:01:24   sleazes as a component of their own [TS]

01:01:28   group identity right they're like yeah I [TS]

01:01:32   get it you think you'd be a good car [TS]

01:01:33   dealer because you think your sleeves [TS]

01:01:35   and they probably put they probably part [TS]

01:01:37   of the whole program would be to project [TS]

01:01:39   it oh yeah you know there are some bad [TS]

01:01:40   apples out there but that's not what's [TS]

01:01:42   going on here that's right and and I [TS]

01:01:44   think what they saw in me was and I'm [TS]

01:01:47   not sure how many layers they were going [TS]

01:01:50   down with me but they were like yeah we [TS]

01:01:53   get it you think that being a car dealer [TS]

01:01:58   would be funny you think that being a [TS]

01:02:01   car dealer would be fun because you [TS]

01:02:04   would get to just be corny you'd be a [TS]

01:02:07   cheese ball and also sell cars but [TS]

01:02:10   here's the thing being car dealers is [TS]

01:02:13   not just hard it truly is a calling and [TS]

01:02:16   we are like being a car dealer is where [TS]

01:02:19   you begin your career as a salesperson [TS]

01:02:22   sir and if you are truly a Salesman one [TS]

01:02:26   day you know this is like rabotat run [TS]

01:02:28   rat you run rabbit run what's this guy's [TS]

01:02:31   a little bit like Parris Island I mean [TS]

01:02:33   you're gonna come in here and you're [TS]

01:02:35   going to learn stuff that it's going to [TS]

01:02:36   be applicable for the rest of your [TS]

01:02:37   career yeah this is all you will die if [TS]

01:02:40   you don't make it through this [TS]

01:02:41   particular phase of the training there's [TS]

01:02:42   no such thing as an ex-marine that's [TS]

01:02:44   right that's right call me sergeant I [TS]

01:02:45   work for a living yeah many stacked shit [TS]

01:02:48   that high so they are they were being [TS]

01:02:51   very kind because what they were because [TS]

01:02:56   it was a joke within their gang that [TS]

01:02:59   like here's another one who came in here [TS]

01:03:02   trying to sell himself to us but you [TS]

01:03:07   don't sell to us mm-hmm okay we sell to [TS]

01:03:11   you you're telling us yes you're telling [TS]

01:03:13   us that you are come you that the [TS]

01:03:15   undercoating is on from the factory on [TS]

01:03:19   you mm-hmm we know that the undercoating [TS]

01:03:22   is an option and so they spun me around [TS]

01:03:24   and got me out of they had no there was [TS]

01:03:26   no they had no interest in like sending [TS]

01:03:29   me out covered in shame because they [TS]

01:03:31   knew when I thought about it I was not I [TS]

01:03:34   didn't have it they gave you any plenty [TS]

01:03:36   of mental and emotional ammunition to [TS]

01:03:39   realize how off-base you were mmm kinda [TS]

01:03:42   yeah well and and and walking up the [TS]

01:03:44   hill from the honda dealership thinking [TS]

01:03:48   to myself i do not have what it takes to [TS]

01:03:51   be a used car dealer was for sure [TS]

01:03:56   reckoning because at that point in time [TS]

01:03:59   I could not differentiate between [TS]

01:04:01   between the motivation of any career so [TS]

01:04:09   it seemed to me that if you were going [TS]

01:04:11   to be a philosophy professor or you were [TS]

01:04:14   going to sell boats or you were going to [TS]

01:04:18   reupholster mid-century modern furniture [TS]

01:04:19   the the commonality between those three [TS]

01:04:22   jobs was that you had [TS]

01:04:24   some quality of job having a tude right [TS]

01:04:29   that every one of those jobs required [TS]

01:04:31   that you have moxie that you work [TS]

01:04:33   overtime that you you that you want it [TS]

01:04:37   so bad right and and maybe that's [TS]

01:04:40   actually true I mean from the standpoint [TS]

01:04:41   of a 22 year old okay if I wanted to be [TS]

01:04:44   a philosophy professor if I wanted to [TS]

01:04:45   sell luxury yachts or if I wanted to be [TS]

01:04:47   a upholster ER I would need to pursue [TS]

01:04:51   that and pursue it with like with an [TS]

01:04:55   enough passion to get through the [TS]

01:04:56   apprenticeship period and what I knew [TS]

01:04:59   about myself was that I did not want to [TS]

01:05:00   do anything that much I'm so interested [TS]

01:05:03   in the idea of the calling that's a [TS]

01:05:06   phrase I think I feel like that's a [TS]

01:05:08   phrase you would hear used primarily to [TS]

01:05:11   say calling to the clergy like you feel [TS]

01:05:14   a calling to become a priest or you feel [TS]

01:05:17   like the Lord is calling you to become a [TS]

01:05:19   nun and it's it's interesting because [TS]

01:05:22   like i am not a salesperson i don't like [TS]

01:05:24   talking about money i'm bad at all of [TS]

01:05:26   that but I i do think say at least sales [TS]

01:05:28   writ large might be a kind of calling or [TS]

01:05:31   sort of like i can't imagine any other [TS]

01:05:33   job you know like my mom is just really [TS]

01:05:35   she was a really really good salesperson [TS]

01:05:38   she was that rare kind of sales person [TS]

01:05:40   were like that's rare to me anyway we're [TS]

01:05:42   like people genuinely liked her like [TS]

01:05:44   they want they wanted to please her and [TS]

01:05:46   she was she was always so kind with [TS]

01:05:48   people and so patient with people and [TS]

01:05:49   she would put up a shit that I would [TS]

01:05:51   never put up with in a million years [TS]

01:05:52   like dude whether it was real estate or [TS]

01:05:53   retail and but I do think that there is [TS]

01:05:56   a certain kind of personality and maybe [TS]

01:05:58   it's a little bit manic or a little bit [TS]

01:06:00   like to my mind a little self deceptive [TS]

01:06:04   but the truth is a good salesperson [TS]

01:06:05   could sell anything whether whether it's [TS]

01:06:07   a car or a diamond or a house or you [TS]

01:06:09   know what I feel like we characterize [TS]

01:06:12   salespeople as as you know like slightly [TS]

01:06:16   unethical or because meditours predators [TS]

01:06:20   because we've all had an experience [TS]

01:06:21   where we walked away from a deal feeling [TS]

01:06:23   like we had been robbed and and yet I [TS]

01:06:27   think there are a lot of very ethical [TS]

01:06:29   sales people whose motivation and [TS]

01:06:31   primary motivation is look [TS]

01:06:34   I want to get you what you want and make [TS]

01:06:36   you happy and make you feel like you got [TS]

01:06:38   a good deal which is a great feeling [TS]

01:06:40   while at the same time selling this [TS]

01:06:43   thing for more than I paid for it yes [TS]

01:06:45   which is which is intrinsic to [TS]

01:06:48   capitalism and making me feel like I [TS]

01:06:52   could it got a good deal so if we can [TS]

01:06:54   arrange a situation where you get what [TS]

01:06:56   you want and you feel good about it and [TS]

01:06:58   i get it to you and I feel good about it [TS]

01:07:01   we all feel great and we all get what we [TS]

01:07:03   want and I feel like that motivation [TS]

01:07:06   within a salesperson is ethical you know [TS]

01:07:10   it is absolutely there are a lot of [TS]

01:07:11   honest sales people that are motivated [TS]

01:07:13   by this desire to make people happy and [TS]

01:07:16   the unethical ones are the ones that are [TS]

01:07:18   just like lying to you about what their [TS]

01:07:20   costs were I mean you have to do a [TS]

01:07:22   certain amount of like hey look I gotta [TS]

01:07:25   make some money here right but it never [TS]

01:07:28   you know like I'm always I'm always [TS]

01:07:29   trying to deal with salespeople in a way [TS]

01:07:31   that's like no you know what I'm not [TS]

01:07:33   gonna walk out here satisfied unless you [TS]

01:07:35   lose she likes out a game but yeah we're [TS]

01:07:39   a situation like rip off the next guy [TS]

01:07:41   but give me a good deal yes I searched [TS]

01:07:44   on the internet I know what this thing [TS]

01:07:46   costs yeah act like I'm nobody's fool [TS]

01:07:48   and you know I spent I spent enough time [TS]

01:07:51   in the Moroccan carpet markets to know [TS]

01:07:54   that whatever you whatever you think the [TS]

01:07:57   lowest price that those guys paid for [TS]

01:07:59   the carpet is they paid half that or [TS]

01:08:01   they put on third but i am not a [TS]

01:08:05   salesperson my parents weren't [TS]

01:08:06   salespeople there's no one in my family [TS]

01:08:08   all the way back as far as i can tell [TS]

01:08:10   that ever sold a goddamn thing they all [TS]

01:08:13   bought high and sold low that is like [TS]

01:08:14   our family motto but i'd still love sell [TS]

01:08:18   oh it's right on the top of our crest [TS]

01:08:19   that's what our that's not our business [TS]

01:08:23   you know our business is making people [TS]

01:08:25   happy by them walking away feeling like [TS]

01:08:27   wow I just I just took over a bank and [TS]

01:08:30   he just didn't even know he didn't he [TS]

01:08:32   doesn't remember where the papers are oh [TS]

01:08:34   the thing with so my mom started after [TS]

01:08:37   my after I think it might have been like [TS]

01:08:39   wow my nose while my father was alive [TS]

01:08:41   was when she started but of course [TS]

01:08:43   that's what she started doing full time [TS]

01:08:44   after he died so this is you know 1974 [TS]

01:08:47   she's doing this full time but you know [TS]

01:08:49   as we used to say in the business you [TS]

01:08:51   know real estate is a contact sport like [TS]

01:08:53   it's really so much at least then I [TS]

01:08:55   can't say if it's true now I suspect [TS]

01:08:57   it's true now it's all about a couple [TS]

01:08:59   things I mean as far as the business [TS]

01:09:01   part of this a big part of it is like [TS]

01:09:04   once you decided in my primarily a [TS]

01:09:05   buying person or selling person do I [TS]

01:09:07   work on a team do I do this I you know I [TS]

01:09:08   don't know how much that's changed since [TS]

01:09:09   the 70s I'm guessing a lot but what was [TS]

01:09:11   true then was that it was all about [TS]

01:09:14   repeat business and word of mouth to get [TS]

01:09:16   started it was going to take you you [TS]

01:09:17   know year to three years to get to where [TS]

01:09:20   you might have somebody who bought or [TS]

01:09:22   sold a second thing with you but it was [TS]

01:09:23   really all about going we'll listen if [TS]

01:09:25   you're going to do anything with real [TS]

01:09:26   estate you have to call this person like [TS]

01:09:28   you need this army of people out there [TS]

01:09:30   who think you are like unimpeachably [TS]

01:09:33   honest and decent and like that is your [TS]

01:09:36   opportunity in that kind of a market [TS]

01:09:38   where there is the idea of the like the [TS]

01:09:40   skanky guy in a blazer with the [TS]

01:09:42   dippity-do you know saying though so it [TS]

01:09:44   really benefited her to be the way that [TS]

01:09:45   she was she would rise above that [TS]

01:09:48   feeling of this being this really ski be [TS]

01:09:50   kind of industry but you know I that's I [TS]

01:09:52   I assume that that's true for cars to [TS]

01:09:55   like your dad with the mechanic right [TS]

01:09:58   you're with ease airplane mechanic you [TS]

01:10:00   know there must be people who love going [TS]

01:10:01   in and just visiting go visit with bob [TS]

01:10:03   bob is the best i would never buy a car [TS]

01:10:05   from anybody but Bob know my dad would [TS]

01:10:08   fly to Al Torrance California every year [TS]

01:10:09   just to hang out with this guy that [TS]

01:10:10   never set a goddamn word as far as I can [TS]

01:10:13   tell I mean my dad he would stand there [TS]

01:10:15   kick the tires before I mean I would sit [TS]

01:10:17   out on the tarmac in the hot Sun and [TS]

01:10:19   look at them inside that hangar and [TS]

01:10:21   they're walking around they're kicking [TS]

01:10:23   dirt on the ground I don't know whether [TS]

01:10:24   they're talking about World War 2 or [TS]

01:10:26   what but as soon as I walked in the [TS]

01:10:29   hangar not a word was spoken it was just [TS]

01:10:31   like all he would say there rip rap rap [TS]

01:10:34   my dad would vowel you know epidemia [TS]

01:10:36   David ever didn't he go here yeah and [TS]

01:10:39   but somehow they have this relationship [TS]

01:10:40   you know and my dad trusted him but but [TS]

01:10:43   this idea of a calling I really felt [TS]

01:10:46   that the absence of a calling was the [TS]

01:10:49   thing that was keeping me out of the [TS]

01:10:50   world [TS]

01:10:51   cuz I looked around I feel that way I [TS]

01:10:53   mean I think you're really raised to [TS]

01:10:54   feel that way and I really did feel like [TS]

01:10:56   I was a born this or I was born that I [TS]

01:10:59   felt like I was a born philosophy [TS]

01:11:00   professor I had no interest in selling [TS]

01:11:02   boats but I but and or doing upholstery [TS]

01:11:05   but I did feel like I should be somebody [TS]

01:11:07   basically they hadn't invented [TS]

01:11:09   podcasting yet no but BMOC right you [TS]

01:11:13   know it's uh something I felt like there [TS]

01:11:15   was such there lightning needed to [TS]

01:11:17   strike anything and and it happened one [TS]

01:11:20   time I may have described this to you [TS]

01:11:22   but I was on a ferry boat from uh from [TS]

01:11:25   Tangier to Marseille and I'm sitting on [TS]

01:11:31   the ferry boat and somehow I strike up a [TS]

01:11:32   conversation with a guy who was probably [TS]

01:11:35   my age now you know uh mid to late 40s [TS]

01:11:38   people a people but he had that you know [TS]

01:11:43   he had that glint in his eye he was he [TS]

01:11:46   was an American living some kind of life [TS]

01:11:50   where he was on this ferry boat and he [TS]

01:11:52   seemed very comfortable on this ferry [TS]

01:11:54   belt like he'd been on like he'd gone [TS]

01:11:55   from Tangiers to Marseille many times [TS]

01:11:57   and somehow we saw each other across a [TS]

01:12:01   crowded dance floor and I was with a [TS]

01:12:02   bunch of young people and we you know we [TS]

01:12:05   were we were smoking kif and drinking [TS]

01:12:08   some kind of you know garbage beer and [TS]

01:12:11   smoking camels and he was sitting you [TS]

01:12:14   know somewhere on the ferryboat I have [TS]

01:12:16   no idea how we got into conversation [TS]

01:12:18   with each other but we really zoomed in [TS]

01:12:20   on each other and this isn't day this [TS]

01:12:23   isn't a like a short ferry ride right [TS]

01:12:25   this is all the way across the ocean [TS]

01:12:26   this is an overnighter and we're just [TS]

01:12:30   like really it he was like an older me [TS]

01:12:34   and in fact he looked like me I have no [TS]

01:12:37   idea whether he was me he could be time [TS]

01:12:39   travel me this jet paradox this could be [TS]

01:12:42   all alternate universe mean who's like [TS]

01:12:44   they pull up a chair kid I mean cuz why [TS]

01:12:46   would he have grabbed me out of the out [TS]

01:12:48   of the Mist right and why would I was [TS]

01:12:50   even if you don't mm-hmm great and we [TS]

01:12:52   SAT and talked for a long long time and [TS]

01:12:55   you know I was so [TS]

01:12:57   full of shit when I was 20 years old i [TS]

01:12:58   was i was so full of shit i was a giant [TS]

01:13:02   rare so rare for somebody in early [TS]

01:13:04   twenty to be full of shit I was uh I was [TS]

01:13:06   like a tanker truck of shit and I had I [TS]

01:13:10   just was spinning all the time spinning [TS]

01:13:13   yarn spinning big highfalutin you know [TS]

01:13:16   just gobbledygook and he was very [TS]

01:13:19   patient and we were talking earnestly [TS]

01:13:20   just frankly as I would be if I was if I [TS]

01:13:24   met somebody like that now right I would [TS]

01:13:27   be very patient I would be slightly [TS]

01:13:28   bemused as this kid told me that it was [TS]

01:13:30   meant to be a philosopher in a used car [TS]

01:13:32   salesman or whatever or that that the [TS]

01:13:34   philosophy of used cars was something [TS]

01:13:35   that no one had fully explored and you [TS]

01:13:39   know what he kind of he seeded he seeded [TS]

01:13:42   the pot a little bit and after many [TS]

01:13:44   hours of this he said listen here's what [TS]

01:13:47   I think you should do you know I was [TS]

01:13:50   like yes because very few adults ever [TS]

01:13:52   said that to me that way and he said [TS]

01:13:56   don't go back to America you don't you [TS]

01:13:59   don't belong there this is where you [TS]

01:14:01   belong out on the out on the open ocean [TS]

01:14:03   like make your own way make your own way [TS]

01:14:07   in the world don't don't worry about to [TS]

01:14:08   go back to college don't worry about [TS]

01:14:10   this go back to the United States and [TS]

01:14:12   impress your high school friends like [TS]

01:14:14   get on with it there's a big wide world [TS]

01:14:16   out there and you're already you're [TS]

01:14:19   already you've cut the cable already [TS]

01:14:23   done the hardest part in some ways [TS]

01:14:24   that's the first step you're out here [TS]

01:14:27   you got no money you're in your washing [TS]

01:14:30   your clothes in the in the sink of a [TS]

01:14:32   Pensione every night you got no friends [TS]

01:14:35   let's be honest and you've got nothing [TS]

01:14:40   you got nothing except you have you are [TS]

01:14:42   young and you have all your strength and [TS]

01:14:45   you got all this you hear spinning all [TS]

01:14:49   this garbage right you've got you know [TS]

01:14:51   your mind is going a thousand miles an [TS]

01:14:52   hour so get on with it get out of here [TS]

01:14:55   what are you doing on this boat you [TS]

01:14:56   don't you going over to Italy to hang [TS]

01:14:58   out with some college dorks at the [TS]

01:15:02   University of Florence like that's not [TS]

01:15:05   what you know I mean go for it right I [TS]

01:15:08   mean there's more bearded consumed [TS]

01:15:09   he's he's encouraging you to really [TS]

01:15:11   shake up your worldview yeah he's saying [TS]

01:15:13   go to India he's saying keep moving he's [TS]

01:15:16   saying I mean and this was two months [TS]

01:15:19   before the Berlin Wall fell so he had he [TS]

01:15:22   had this because he was time travel me [TS]

01:15:25   he had this idea right that there was [TS]

01:15:28   this opening that up till now there was [TS]

01:15:32   no Prague but in four months there was [TS]

01:15:36   going to be a Prague and you could not [TS]

01:15:39   live in Prague except under special [TS]

01:15:42   circumstances in June of 1989 but by may [TS]

01:15:47   of nineteen ninety be the first Western [TS]

01:15:52   dumbass student to decide that progress [TS]

01:15:55   where they're going to plant their flag [TS]

01:15:57   or Warsaw or Istanbul or whatever and [TS]

01:16:01   he's just and he just blew the top off [TS]

01:16:04   of my head like like here you are this [TS]

01:16:07   is you're already doing it you already [TS]

01:16:08   have the calling now just cut that last [TS]

01:16:12   rope and be gone and I was on this Boden [TS]

01:16:17   and you know my eyes were wide as [TS]

01:16:19   saucers and he had this you know and he [TS]

01:16:22   was smoking cigarettes right he's this [TS]

01:16:23   this is an earlier time when 50 year [TS]

01:16:25   olds still SAT around and ferryboat [TS]

01:16:27   smoking cigarettes but it's also I feel [TS]

01:16:29   like it's important to highlight that [TS]

01:16:30   when you are that age and you feel so [TS]

01:16:32   why's that if when somebody is able to [TS]

01:16:34   hear you respond and then cut through [TS]

01:16:37   your own truck load of bullshit it can [TS]

01:16:39   be very moving it can be very you really [TS]

01:16:42   have this sort of like this feels like [TS]

01:16:44   an important moment moment mmm don't you [TS]

01:16:47   think absolutely and this feels this is [TS]

01:16:49   pretentious this feels like the as they [TS]

01:16:51   say the universe is trying to tell me [TS]

01:16:52   something when I look back on my life I [TS]

01:16:56   often say where were my mentors where [TS]

01:16:59   were the guys that that said you know [TS]

01:17:02   come with me I mean where were the mr. [TS]

01:17:04   Miyagi's and the problem was I wasn't [TS]

01:17:08   really looking for one there they may [TS]

01:17:11   have come across the bow multiple times [TS]

01:17:14   and I was like listen you don't need to [TS]

01:17:16   tell me about selling used cars like I [TS]

01:17:19   was I one of the characteristics of a [TS]

01:17:23   mint [TS]

01:17:23   or is not that he's begging 20 year olds [TS]

01:17:25   to accept his teachings and what can I [TS]

01:17:29   do to put you in this philosophy today [TS]

01:17:31   that's right like odo oh you would like [TS]

01:17:34   to learn glassblowing I'm begging you to [TS]

01:17:36   follow followme you know but this one [TS]

01:17:40   particular encounter was actually this [TS]

01:17:42   moment where there was a teacher and it [TS]

01:17:45   was prior to any kind of situation where [TS]

01:17:47   I could have remained in contact with [TS]

01:17:49   him I don't think either of us made any [TS]

01:17:51   attempt to to retain contact with each [TS]

01:17:54   other because as far as I could tell and [TS]

01:17:56   he may be thinking back on it he may [TS]

01:17:59   have been full of shit too but he gave [TS]

01:18:03   the impression of being someone who had [TS]

01:18:05   done this who had cut these ties and it [TS]

01:18:07   would have been he would have been [TS]

01:18:09   coming out of a 60s context so he may [TS]

01:18:12   have been the the rare individual cut [TS]

01:18:15   the ties and then prospered you know he [TS]

01:18:18   wasn't sitting on the the streets of [TS]

01:18:20   Mumbai with a with a tin cup he had cut [TS]

01:18:24   his ties but now was a citizen of the [TS]

01:18:26   world and I think he may have even used [TS]

01:18:28   the term citizen of the world so for [TS]

01:18:32   about four months in Europe at that time [TS]

01:18:36   1989 I vagabond it around I did go to [TS]

01:18:39   the University of Florence and drink a [TS]

01:18:41   lot of what ended up in chianti because [TS]

01:18:43   they don't really this is all almost a [TS]

01:18:45   decade before the big walk yep it was [TS]

01:18:49   exactly a decade before the big one and [TS]

01:18:52   I wandered around Europe at the time [TS]

01:18:54   thinking to myself I have cut the cable [TS]

01:18:59   I am now a citizen of the world and and [TS]

01:19:02   I'm a cat who walked by his wild loan [TS]

01:19:05   and all things look alike to me and then [TS]

01:19:09   the Berlin Wall did fall and I did [TS]

01:19:12   happen to be I wasn't happen I read in [TS]

01:19:16   the on the front page of the [TS]

01:19:17   International Herald Tribune that there [TS]

01:19:19   were protests in East Germany and [TS]

01:19:21   obviously in Hungary at that point [TS]

01:19:24   things had come unglued and it seemed [TS]

01:19:27   like all the dominoes were falling what [TS]

01:19:28   the fuck was i doing in Florence and I [TS]

01:19:30   got on a night train to Berlin and [TS]

01:19:32   arrived on [TS]

01:19:33   11th 1989 as the wall opened so I was [TS]

01:19:39   there and spent that you know and spent [TS]

01:19:43   10 days with a hammer and chisel [TS]

01:19:45   chipping away at the frickin wall and [TS]

01:19:48   woods really yeah I was there how do I [TS]

01:19:50   not know this oh my god um and and had [TS]

01:19:53   and and got there only because got there [TS]

01:19:56   at that moment only because i was laying [TS]

01:19:57   around in florence drunk on Chianti and [TS]

01:19:59   had been there a month and i was like [TS]

01:20:01   guy what am i doing and then I saw this [TS]

01:20:03   newspaper headline and said this is not [TS]

01:20:05   Florence not the center Berlin is the [TS]

01:20:07   center and so I was there and there you [TS]

01:20:10   know whenever there's a retrospective of [TS]

01:20:13   all those photographs of people climbing [TS]

01:20:15   on the walls in sections falling over [TS]

01:20:17   yeah they're Brandenburg I always scan [TS]

01:20:21   them because I was there and I've never [TS]

01:20:24   found a picture of my there was a member [TS]

01:20:26   being on a ladder hammering and the [TS]

01:20:29   thing about the Berlin Wall is it wasn't [TS]

01:20:31   just like you didn't put a chisel on to [TS]

01:20:33   that and Hammer it and big chunks of it [TS]

01:20:36   fell away that concrete was really [TS]

01:20:38   strangely like amazingly solid but also [TS]

01:20:42   kind of spongy so you would hit it with [TS]

01:20:44   a hammer and your hammer would kind of [TS]

01:20:46   bounce back you would barely get in you [TS]

01:20:48   just get these tiny little slivers [TS]

01:20:50   that's why when you see the the Berlin [TS]

01:20:52   Wall having been chiseled it's just kind [TS]

01:20:55   of like tiny little openings right [TS]

01:20:57   nobody nobody got up there and just [TS]

01:20:59   broke whole sections of it away they [TS]

01:21:01   actually like you chiseled like you were [TS]

01:21:03   breaking out of prison it would take [TS]

01:21:05   months to chisel through this wall but [TS]

01:21:08   I'm up there on a ladder just hammering [TS]

01:21:09   away at this wall and there were [TS]

01:21:10   photographers all around like Kapow [TS]

01:21:13   Kapow Kapow because they didn't know [TS]

01:21:16   what to point their cameras at and and [TS]

01:21:18   when the when the actual like when the [TS]

01:21:20   gate opened and the little and all the [TS]

01:21:23   East Germans in their little trabant [TS]

01:21:25   like six of them in a Trabant driving [TS]

01:21:29   slowly through checkpoint charlie and on [TS]

01:21:31   the other side like the West Germans [TS]

01:21:33   were we're like to actually throwing [TS]

01:21:37   handfuls of deutsche marks in the [TS]

01:21:39   windows of these turbines like welcome [TS]

01:21:43   to the west here is money and [TS]

01:21:46   Wow handing them uh champagne and just [TS]

01:21:49   like it was a it was a orgiastic riot of [TS]

01:21:53   like welcome to the west it couldn't [TS]

01:21:55   they were shaking cars with enthusiasm [TS]

01:21:58   and the East Germans looked like they [TS]

01:21:59   were they had just landed on Mars you [TS]

01:22:02   know their eyes were just freaking out [TS]

01:22:04   they were just freaking out like [TS]

01:22:05   emotional well they didn't have I mean [TS]

01:22:07   was it the in East Germany they probably [TS]

01:22:10   that was pretty controlled media to they [TS]

01:22:12   probably I'm guessing didn't well their [TS]

01:22:15   understanding of West Germany was that [TS]

01:22:17   it was a whorehouse right that it was a [TS]

01:22:19   it was a drug den and that but they all [TS]

01:22:22   knew people that had they only West [TS]

01:22:23   Germans right and their relatives and [TS]

01:22:25   stuff but they just they couldn't [TS]

01:22:27   believe what they were seeing and they [TS]

01:22:29   and they no one had prepared them for [TS]

01:22:31   the fact that people would be throwing [TS]

01:22:32   money in their windows what happened it [TS]

01:22:34   happened pretty fast like it would just [TS]

01:22:35   seem like that one year like so much [TS]

01:22:37   stuff happened so fast well because I [TS]

01:22:39   had been in I had been in Germany in [TS]

01:22:41   September of that year and had gone and [TS]

01:22:45   it stood there I stood there next to the [TS]

01:22:48   Reichstag and looked across the river [TS]

01:22:50   and the you know the border guards are [TS]

01:22:52   looking at you through binoculars and [TS]

01:22:54   there in the river and they're in their [TS]

01:22:56   boats their machine gun boats I mean it [TS]

01:22:59   was a tense and freaked out atmosphere [TS]

01:23:01   even I still have my East German visas [TS]

01:23:05   because I actually paid the 50 Deutsche [TS]

01:23:08   marks and went over into East Berlin in [TS]

01:23:11   the summer of 89 and it was it was just [TS]

01:23:15   like every spy movie you know it took us [TS]

01:23:17   we went through five different long [TS]

01:23:19   hallways with blind turns and come to a [TS]

01:23:22   guy in them saying you could go there [TS]

01:23:24   but they couldn't come over here yeah [TS]

01:23:25   you could pay money and go into East [TS]

01:23:27   Berlin and walk around and have dinner [TS]

01:23:29   and you know and you had to pay for you [TS]

01:23:32   had to exchange Deutsche marks at the [TS]

01:23:33   official rate but as soon as you were [TS]

01:23:35   out in east germany it's not like there [TS]

01:23:37   were people standing there ready to [TS]

01:23:39   change money it all was done kind of [TS]

01:23:42   like somebody would sidle up to you and [TS]

01:23:44   be like you woman you want to want a [TS]

01:23:46   little bit better deal on the deutsche [TS]

01:23:47   marks on you got there at the border and [TS]

01:23:48   then you could you could trade fifty [TS]

01:23:51   dollars of the West German Deutsche [TS]

01:23:52   marks for like a million east german [TS]

01:23:54   deutsch marks and it actually was a [TS]

01:23:56   problem we went because you couldn't [TS]

01:23:57   take the money back over and they [TS]

01:23:59   wouldn't exchange [TS]

01:24:00   bad buy something to spend it on yeah [TS]

01:24:02   and we we went into the nicest [TS]

01:24:03   restaurant in East Berlin and ordered [TS]

01:24:05   every single kind of food we could and [TS]

01:24:07   we were appalling because it was the [TS]

01:24:09   nicest restaurant in East Berlin all of [TS]

01:24:11   the Burgermeister 'he's were there it [TS]

01:24:12   was like a it was like a very elegant [TS]

01:24:15   place and we were gross like I was me [TS]

01:24:18   and a friend we were disgusting American [TS]

01:24:20   College gross people who were super [TS]

01:24:23   drunk and just getting more drunk on on [TS]

01:24:25   whatever and ordering food and just [TS]

01:24:28   dropping it on the floor thank you place [TS]

01:24:30   this is hideous we were disgusting and [TS]

01:24:33   we're walking around trying to go into [TS]

01:24:35   trying to go into department stores like [TS]

01:24:38   I got to spend this money just money [TS]

01:24:40   falling out of our pockets I got his [TS]

01:24:41   manners my I don't know how people get [TS]

01:24:43   their ideas about Americans Oh terrible [TS]

01:24:46   we were you know we were the worst and [TS]

01:24:48   you couldn't buy anything you'd go into [TS]

01:24:50   a department store and it was just like [TS]

01:24:51   they're well there wasn't anything you [TS]

01:24:53   there was nothing to buy well um it was [TS]

01:24:55   it was amazing but all by way of saying [TS]

01:24:58   like these historic this this experience [TS]

01:25:01   and all of that experience of just like [TS]

01:25:04   living by the seat of my pants during [TS]

01:25:07   that whole period I was doing it under [TS]

01:25:10   the under the rubric of this man on this [TS]

01:25:14   boat having said cut those ties go this [TS]

01:25:18   is these your calling be a citizen of [TS]

01:25:20   the world you are you are done you your [TS]

01:25:21   decision is made and I'm here in Berlin [TS]

01:25:24   and frankly I could have gone the [TS]

01:25:27   opposite way they're all pouring in and [TS]

01:25:30   I could have poured out poured the other [TS]

01:25:32   direction and have kept going I don't [TS]

01:25:36   know tom moscow right i mean that was [TS]

01:25:38   such a tumultuous time that an American [TS]

01:25:41   student who was just like what's over [TS]

01:25:45   here could have been you know could have [TS]

01:25:49   gone wherever right I could be I could [TS]

01:25:53   be Vladimir Putin by now um but it got [TS]

01:25:59   to be Christmas time and it was cold as [TS]

01:26:03   shit and I was in Germany and somehow I [TS]

01:26:05   had followed some I met some German guy [TS]

01:26:08   and he was like I live in [TS]

01:26:10   garmisch-partenkirchen you want to come [TS]

01:26:11   home with me for turkey dinner [TS]

01:26:13   and I was like sure and I got to [TS]

01:26:16   Garmisch and it was cold and I was so [TS]

01:26:19   poor and garnish was so rich and [TS]

01:26:21   sentimentality creeped in and I was like [TS]

01:26:25   it's Christmas time and my mom and it's [TS]

01:26:29   so cold and I don't have a jacket I [TS]

01:26:32   didn't have a jacket which I probably [TS]

01:26:35   could have I could have found a jacket [TS]

01:26:37   but i but I let myself I I was weak and [TS]

01:26:42   I let that weakness spread in the form [TS]

01:26:47   of sentimentality and in the form of [TS]

01:26:49   feeling incapable I'm scared I was [TS]

01:26:54   scared to be a citizen of the world I [TS]

01:26:56   was scared to look out at infinity [TS]

01:26:59   because I wasn't sure that I had what it [TS]

01:27:02   whatever it was I was not prepared to [TS]

01:27:06   cut that last rope oh yeah you're you're [TS]

01:27:11   vulnerable I wasn't 20 and didn't know [TS]

01:27:18   that I could and that sentimentality got [TS]

01:27:24   in me like a like gangrene and [TS]

01:27:26   eventually I was I called my mom on the [TS]

01:27:33   phone was like hi Merry Christmas mom [TS]

01:27:37   you know this is back when you had them [TS]

01:27:39   making a long-distance call was all a [TS]

01:27:41   whole afternoons worth of rigmarole my [TS]

01:27:45   mom was like how is it and I was like [TS]

01:27:46   it's cold I'm mm-hmm and she was like [TS]

01:27:52   well I mean if you want to come home for [TS]

01:27:54   Christmas we'd love to see you because [TS]

01:27:56   she's my mom and ice and I made that [TS]

01:28:01   classic decision which is I'll go home [TS]

01:28:04   for Christmas and then I'll come back [TS]

01:28:06   I'll fly home for Christmas but there's [TS]

01:28:09   a lot going on here I want to you know I [TS]

01:28:10   want to be the first American dingbat in [TS]

01:28:13   Prague the Rope the Rope is still [TS]

01:28:14   detached you'll just not it up for just [TS]

01:28:17   this little while yep go back have [TS]

01:28:19   Christmas at home get a jacket I have [TS]

01:28:24   one in the closet that I didn't bring [TS]

01:28:25   I'll get a jacket [TS]

01:28:26   and and then i'll be back here and you [TS]

01:28:29   know i'll be back here in january it'll [TS]

01:28:31   be like going home for some or going [TS]

01:28:33   home for winter break and then i will [TS]

01:28:36   resume my life of a completely free [TS]

01:28:39   citizen of the world I just want to go [TS]

01:28:42   home and have because my mom makes [TS]

01:28:44   amazing fudge and you know and and [TS]

01:28:48   really I'm doing her a favor sure I'm [TS]

01:28:50   doing my mom you're being a good son [TS]

01:28:52   being a good son I'm gonna go back there [TS]

01:28:54   I'm gonna give my mom a little kiss i'm [TS]

01:28:56   gonna reassure her that I'm that I'm a [TS]

01:28:58   good boy and then it's back to back to [TS]

01:29:00   Europe to pursue this life of danger and [TS]

01:29:02   so she said I'll you know fly you home [TS]

01:29:06   and I was in Garmisch and she was able [TS]

01:29:10   to buy some you know at the time you [TS]

01:29:12   could fly $275 she found some ticket [TS]

01:29:16   from Paris so I had to get from garnish [TS]

01:29:19   to Paris and so I went on this long a [TS]

01:29:22   train ride across the across Europe [TS]

01:29:28   across the Alps at Christmas time it was [TS]

01:29:31   very beautiful and I felt a sense of [TS]

01:29:32   purpose I was going home to help my mom [TS]

01:29:34   and and have some fudge and get a coat [TS]

01:29:38   and I felt really good and then and then [TS]

01:29:42   right right back to my new life and then [TS]

01:29:44   right back right back to the life like a [TS]

01:29:46   little more fun of a man of adventure [TS]

01:29:48   listen if maybe you can put some fudge [TS]

01:29:50   in a bag yeah it'll help sustain me for [TS]

01:29:53   that first few weeks in Yugoslavia yep [TS]

01:29:55   as I'm making my way got a girl's mom [TS]

01:29:58   into the future and I got back to Alaska [TS]

01:30:02   and I collapsed in a heap and spent then [TS]

01:30:07   like five months smoking pot and and [TS]

01:30:13   then I got a job as the Red Robin mmm [TS]

01:30:15   truly a citizen of the world did you [TS]

01:30:22   call rudyard kipling to me [TS]

01:30:25   [Laughter] [TS]