PodSearch

The Accidental Tech Podcast

212: Meatspace Windows

 

00:00:00   not only to my kids not know how to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/0">TS</a>]

00:00:02   computers but they all because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2">TS</a>]

00:00:05   don't know how to use computers they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   don't know how to fix things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   computers like they don't even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/9">TS</a>]

00:00:10   they've never had to fix anything on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/10">TS</a>]

00:00:12   computer it was like how do you learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   how to fix crap on computers like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   because when we were kids I Princeton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/16">TS</a>]

00:00:17   know anything so that was known to ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/17">TS</a>]

00:00:18   and you had to just figure it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   yourself yeah we kind of broke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/20">TS</a>]

00:00:22   everything and figured out how to fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/22">TS</a>]

00:00:23   that's basically how we how we figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   this all happened my son had a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   recently where he was like dad big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   appear only types capital letters and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/30">TS</a>]

00:00:33   I came over and he was like in a Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/33">TS</a>]

00:00:34   document and he's like look capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/34">TS</a>]

00:00:37   letters and it's not caps lock because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/37">TS</a>]

00:00:38   cap lock light on or off either way just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   produces capital letters right and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/41">TS</a>]

00:00:42   was that was it that was the extent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   his debugging like he'd he knew catbox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   resisted and he had tried toggling it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   and off and it confirmed it in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/49">TS</a>]

00:00:50   position lightest animal position a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   is off but either by tap will let us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   come up but that was it he was out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/53">TS</a>]

00:00:54   ideas hmm and that's not that's not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   what was it like a stuck shift key so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   tried another application which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/59">TS</a>]

00:01:00   first thing you try is this just Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   Docs or the browser is everywhere so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   open text edit sure enough only capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/64">TS</a>]

00:01:05   letters in TextEdit right so I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   like the things you learned from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   lifetime of debugging the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   could potentially solve this problem you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   know so log out right we go to log out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/73">TS</a>]

00:01:17   or you know switch users to master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   troubleshooting step turn everything off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/79">TS</a>]

00:01:20   generically Becca and the login screen i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/80">TS</a>]

00:01:23   went to log into my account and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/83">TS</a>]

00:01:24   see the little password thing you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   the little arrow that tells you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/86">TS</a>]

00:01:27   thanks cap locks is on you know yep that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   puts me right and so basically it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/89">TS</a>]

00:01:30   like the computers our caps lock was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   all the time it wasn't you could look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   the keyboard and doesn't matter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/93">TS</a>]

00:01:34   light was on or off but the computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/94">TS</a>]

00:01:36   totally convinced the cap locks on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/96">TS</a>]

00:01:37   off so i unplug the keyboard and plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   back in and i fixed and my son said to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   me why how could unplugging the keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44   and plugging it back in fix it and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/104">TS</a>]

00:01:47   like if you've ever fix anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/107">TS</a>]

00:01:48   computer this fixes a surprising number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   of thing log out and back in unplug and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   replug reboot turn everything off wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   10 seconds unplug it from the wall wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/116">TS</a>]

00:01:57   10 seconds all these things have reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/117">TS</a>]

00:01:59   behind them but like even if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   know the reasons behind them eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/121">TS</a>]

00:02:03   you learn by fixing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/123">TS</a>]

00:02:04   sometimes you just have to do crap like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   that and the only way you learn that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   by actually fixing problems in the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   world without understanding why they fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   you just like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/133">TS</a>]

00:02:14   I do to make this problem go away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/134">TS</a>]

00:02:15   once it works for you once it is in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/135">TS</a>]

00:02:17   bag of tricks of like just you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/137">TS</a>]

00:02:19   general idea of start the thing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   again unplug it and plug it back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/141">TS</a>]

00:02:24   disconnected and reconnected and my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/144">TS</a>]

00:02:28   don't even have that they don't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29   have the basics that they don't have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   understanding of that because they never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/151">TS</a>]

00:02:32   had to fix anything themselves like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   nightmares of like them leaving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/154">TS</a>]

00:02:35   house and living on their own as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   adult and having a job and calling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/157">TS</a>]

00:02:38   and saying cake my TV show I can't watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/158">TS</a>]

00:02:41   my TV show it's not working like cuz you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/161">TS</a>]

00:02:44   know like Netflix is broken or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/164">TS</a>]

00:02:45   I feel like this this might be kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/165">TS</a>]

00:02:48   how like like whenever anything breaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/168">TS</a>]

00:02:51   about our house usually you know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/171">TS</a>]

00:02:55   not that critical that it gets fixed you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/175">TS</a>]

00:02:56   know like there isn't water pouring all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/176">TS</a>]

00:02:58   over everything and we're not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/178">TS</a>]

00:02:59   installing a fire hazard outlet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   wall but you know I but if there's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/181">TS</a>]

00:03:04   know like some like you know we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/184">TS</a>]

00:03:05   like hang something that's kind of heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   duty on the wall somewhere or we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   like fix something that's made of wood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   you know usually those tasks just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   accumulate until my father in law comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   to visit he will basically just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   around in the first days here and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/200">TS</a>]

00:03:21   like fix everything around the house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   that we've been putting off forever and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   I feel like maybe the way that he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   about it or at least the way he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/207">TS</a>]

00:03:28   think about how we seem to be totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/208">TS</a>]

00:03:32   incapable of fixing these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   ourselves might be the same way that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/214">TS</a>]

00:03:36   are thinking about like how can your son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/216">TS</a>]

00:03:38   possibly not know how to troubleshoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/218">TS</a>]

00:03:39   these computer issues himself so I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   show up at his house when he's an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/222">TS</a>]

00:03:43   and it's like oh thank god you're here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   we haven't been able to watch TV and six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   months maybe we can't figure out why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   gonna go up to television unplug it from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   the wall plug it back in and got a go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   that very well might be how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/233">TS</a>]

00:03:57   generation plays out my word I feel the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/237">TS</a>]

00:04:02   same way though like I can't think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/242">TS</a>]

00:04:03   specific example other than my fired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   hazard plug that isn't actually a fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/245">TS</a>]

00:04:06   hazard but they're there plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   things that either my dad who was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   electrically inclined or Aaron's dad who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   in a prior life was a carpenter so he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/254">TS</a>]

00:04:18   like woodworking inclined there's many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/258">TS</a>]

00:04:20   things that without them I would have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   either pay someone to do something maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   figured out myself in the spare time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/267">TS</a>]

00:04:27   I have or just live with it forever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   don't feel that incapable for home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/270">TS</a>]

00:04:33   repair things is my my my parents do my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   father does come and fix everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/275">TS</a>]

00:04:36   exactly like you were saying your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   father-in-law meet you Marco but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   it's not because I don't know how to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   it it's because I don't want to fix it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   don't have time to fix it and and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   going to do a better job too because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/286">TS</a>]

00:04:48   have he's fix it more times than me but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   i do know what to do only because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   spent an entire lifetime watching home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   improvement television just oh I spent a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   lot of time watching but not as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/297">TS</a>]

00:04:58   you but I spent a lot time watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/298">TS</a>]

00:04:59   shows too so all I can do is be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   annoying person of like are you sure you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03   want to do it that way like I can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   like that guy which is the worst [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   possible Robles that guy yet know it cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   like I know just enough to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   like criticize and make stupid comments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   about something but not enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   actually do it right myself or to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/315">TS</a>]

00:05:16   realize what the way they did is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   actually correct not what not my amateur [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   view of what holmes on homes would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   is the right thing to do any i keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   watching them though like I'm severe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   sigh still have season passes for those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   shows I still watch them so then you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   up to date on the latest technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/331">TS</a>]

00:05:32   really just mold generation technologies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   criticizing and in making snarky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   comments whatever it is you said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   isn't that pretty much our show in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/339">TS</a>]

00:05:40   nutshell just criticizing from afar not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   really knowing what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   but I like to think that we at least III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/344">TS</a>]

00:05:47   think we know more about what we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/347">TS</a>]

00:05:49   criticize on this show then I know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   home repairs yes yes I would say that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/351">TS</a>]

00:05:54   definitely the case because if the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   least all of us do a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   related to the things we're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   about whereas despite me watching home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/360">TS</a>]

00:06:01   improvement shows from my entire life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   I've never built the house not even once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/363">TS</a>]

00:06:04   alright so we should start as always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/364">TS</a>]

00:06:08   with some follow-up and somebody I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   John phrased this section as pouring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/370">TS</a>]

00:06:13   cold water on Apple USBC notions and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/373">TS</a>]

00:06:17   we talked last episode about whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   not the forthcoming iphone will call it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   for the purposes of this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   the iphone 8 whether the phone itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/382">TS</a>]

00:06:26   will have a USBC port on it and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/386">TS</a>]

00:06:29   was a Wall Street Journal report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   seemed ambiguously to say yes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34   ming-chi Kuo has come out and said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   we believe all three new iPhones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   launching launching in the second half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/399">TS</a>]

00:06:40   of 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/400">TS</a>]

00:06:41   17 will support fast charging by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   adoption of type C power delivery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   technology while still retaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/405">TS</a>]

00:06:48   lightning port so probably sticking with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/408">TS</a>]

00:06:51   lightning port which I think I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   support of but having listened to most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   of the shows that that are like ours I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   cover this sort of thing I feel like I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   the only one which makes me wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   I'm just the old man of the crowd all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   a sudden I was hoping this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/424">TS</a>]

00:07:06   reaction to the wall street journal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   story which was weird man big us and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   everyone talk about us bc and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/429">TS</a>]

00:07:12   ming-chi kuo just says no no here I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/432">TS</a>]

00:07:16   how to speak in sentences to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   meaning that is clear to the reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/438">TS</a>]

00:07:19   every single new iphone coming this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   will have a lightning port on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   boom done and so I'm hoping is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/444">TS</a>]

00:07:28   simply a clarification I'm hoping what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   it's not is like a competing rumor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   you know without any particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   foundation but it certainly seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   that ambiguous story was out there there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   was a lot of chatter and then this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/460">TS</a>]

00:07:41   came and just shut everybody up and said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   it's the boring thing never mind yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   mean at some point I think makes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   quit needs to evolve into just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   dalrymple just nope yep no I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/471">TS</a>]

00:07:57   know as we said last show this we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/477">TS</a>]

00:08:00   thought this was fairly unlikely to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   the case that they would have that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/483">TS</a>]

00:08:04   would replace the Lightning port with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/484">TS</a>]

00:08:05   USBC port I do think it is still worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/485">TS</a>]

00:08:08   considering as a thought experiment I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/488">TS</a>]

00:08:11   think that if they were to actually like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   get drunk and do this I I would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   welcome that change I think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/496">TS</a>]

00:08:17   it would be temporary pain but long term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   would be great and Apple usually airs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/499">TS</a>]

00:08:22   that side of that kind of decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   ultimately though I still think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/503">TS</a>]

00:08:27   very unlikely with with one little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   exception that we keep hearing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   people about the EU regulations about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/511">TS</a>]

00:08:35   phones all having the same connector and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   for the for the last few years ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   since the introduction of lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   basically the EU said all phones have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   have you know what used to be micro USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   i have not also been following this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   closely but what I keep hearing from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/527">TS</a>]

00:08:48   people is that that regulation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/528">TS</a>]

00:08:51   getting more strict now and that apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   will no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/534">TS</a>]

00:08:54   be able to get away with just shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   an adapter that that converts light into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   USB to microUSB rather or in this case I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/538">TS</a>]

00:09:01   assume it's USBC so there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   going on there where the EU is putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   pressure on Apple and I don't know if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   can negotiate their way out of it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   but there that there might be something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/549">TS</a>]

00:09:12   there you know like that there might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/552">TS</a>]

00:09:15   a strong reason for Apple to say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   you know what in addition to all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/558">TS</a>]

00:09:19   other reasons we have to get rid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   lightning and switched us bc these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   it would also probably cause less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/563">TS</a>]

00:09:26   friction with the EU and any other kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   of similar regulatory body around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   world that might get in the way you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   I wouldn't expect in the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   three-and-a-half to seven years that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/574">TS</a>]

00:09:39   US would really care that much about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   reducing waste in a regulation but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/581">TS</a>]

00:09:44   imagine other countries that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/584">TS</a>]

00:09:48   actually have functioning governments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/588">TS</a>]

00:09:49   probably all have similar goals yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/589">TS</a>]

00:09:52   that would be awesome right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/592">TS</a>]

00:09:53   probably all have similar goals of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/593">TS</a>]

00:09:56   you know reducing electronic waste and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   standardizing on things that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/598">TS</a>]

00:09:59   matter and stuff like that and so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   think apples gonna keep getting pressure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   from large markets you know if I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   China did it game over right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   imagine if China said okay Fortis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   telephone and China after the after you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   know 2017 it has to have us bc on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   bottom what lightning would be gone the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   next day you know so they can make two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   different they make two different models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/617">TS</a>]

00:10:19   one for that market they've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/619">TS</a>]

00:10:20   different models with different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   inside them before but like I China [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/622">TS</a>]

00:10:24   could do something like that but my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/624">TS</a>]

00:10:25   understanding of the EU thing is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   it's not like Apple can't sell it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   think it's more like a guideline or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   agreement and I'm sure there's some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   of carrot and stick thing where if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/633">TS</a>]

00:10:34   follow along with the agreement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/634">TS</a>]

00:10:35   voluntarily there's you get some boon or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   whatever but I'm not convinced that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   a type of thing where like if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   doesn't do it then they can't cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/642">TS</a>]

00:10:44   in Europe and if it wasn't China we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   trying to can say guess what you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/646">TS</a>]

00:10:47   do this no matter what like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   make a requirement I think they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/650">TS</a>]

00:10:51   make a different model if if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   conversation had not been one inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   Apple for us be entirely because making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   a different model for China's and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/657">TS</a>]

00:10:59   probably fine I mean and they have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/659">TS</a>]

00:11:02   that in the past for other things but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/662">TS</a>]

00:11:04   seems like you know there's arguments on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   both sides of whether they should do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   this or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/667">TS</a>]

00:11:08   and so if there's a big thing external a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/668">TS</a>]

00:11:11   big external factor that tips them one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/671">TS</a>]

00:11:13   way or the other they would probably go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/673">TS</a>]

00:11:14   that way right and so if there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   major world market of buying phones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   demands in a pretty strong way or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/679">TS</a>]

00:11:22   absolutely requires that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/682">TS</a>]

00:11:23   have the standard port on the bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   instead of their proprietary report that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   would probably be enough to sway the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/687">TS</a>]

00:11:28   argument one way or the other if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   were no like massive downsides that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/690">TS</a>]

00:11:32   aren't thinking of you know if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   some kind of major engineering challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   of doing it but you know on a brand new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   phone that they could that they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/698">TS</a>]

00:11:41   designed separately from the iphone 7 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/701">TS</a>]

00:11:43   and 6 god I hope I assuming we finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/703">TS</a>]

00:11:47   get a new design then they could totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   do it and I don't see any obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   downside we talked to elastic anyway I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   still don't think it's likely i still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   think the most likely scenario is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/716">TS</a>]

00:11:57   makes you quote said where yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   rumor from the washer no that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   horribly written got the facts wrong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   it's actually just us bc on the charger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   end that's the that's the way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/725">TS</a>]

00:12:08   likely explanation here but i still do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   think it would be better to go us bc on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   both ends or at least the phone end and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16   there might be better reason to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   we don't know so the hardware mine virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   worked on me because i was getting all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   excited about us bc phones until i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/744">TS</a>]

00:12:26   this cold water story oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/746">TS</a>]

00:12:27   nevermind but really what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   related to this is my nintendo switch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   did arrive which maybe we'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/752">TS</a>]

00:12:33   later and and i got a pro controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   with it and this is the first device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   besides my apple TV which i never plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   in the USB see things into that i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   occasion to see and mess with us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/762">TS</a>]

00:12:46   connectors with what i got my pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   control i had to plug it in to charge it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   and there's a little USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/771">TS</a>]

00:12:52   inside the little switch dock or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53   whatever and so i'm holding here the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   pro controller charging cable and when i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/776">TS</a>]

00:12:59   took us out of the box and plugged it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   I my immediate thought was oh no way is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/781">TS</a>]

00:13:04   Apple gonna you ever use this thing it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   huge like I know it's not that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   bigger than the Lightning it is barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   bigger than lightning but just seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   in real life like can you imagine how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/791">TS</a>]

00:13:14   putting this thing on the phone no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/794">TS</a>]

00:13:16   way in hell like obviously this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   my gut reaction like I'm not using my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   brain at that point but my my visceral [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   reaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/801">TS</a>]

00:13:21   disconnect here was how massive it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   compared to lightning I was like if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   was inside Apple I would like recoil in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   horror at the star of the conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/809">TS</a>]

00:13:30   of like remind me again what we do in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   line again it would take a look at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/812">TS</a>]

00:13:33   look at this giant we can't we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   have this on our phones ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/815">TS</a>]

00:13:36   what's next vga ports Oh God um it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/816">TS</a>]

00:13:40   really is i know that much bigger I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   I know I was like it it cracked me up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   that that was my reaction like it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   that much really I have a lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/826">TS</a>]

00:13:47   partner right next to and I'm hold it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/827">TS</a>]

00:13:48   next to like it is bare millimeters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/828">TS</a>]

00:13:52   the fact that it's wider and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   thicker it just makes it seem so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   more matte so then it doesn't help that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   like I have one of the good old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   lightning connectors here that in front [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   of me with a very small plastic part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   that's barely bigger than the metal part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   like it looks so small and dainty it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/843">TS</a>]

00:14:05   almost like the lightning can go inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   a USBC port well it almost can because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   of the the gender flows between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/850">TS</a>]

00:14:12   connector and the and the wire you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   like like and and that's actually the i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   suspect i don't know those for sure i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/856">TS</a>]

00:14:17   have lived that that deeply into it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/857">TS</a>]

00:14:19   i suspect the design of us bc probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/859">TS</a>]

00:14:23   permits for there to be less clearance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   around the port opening like I bet you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   can shrink the device thickness closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   around the port size with us bc then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   could around lightning because lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   has to have all the pins and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/875">TS</a>]

00:14:36   on the inside as opposed to us bc which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   has just like you know the flat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/878">TS</a>]

00:14:39   conductors on the inside so i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   imagine there might be something there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   with you see also they have tons of room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   they got rid of the headphone jack and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/886">TS</a>]

00:14:47   this other speaker on the bottom is fake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/887">TS</a>]

00:14:49   so they have tons of room I mean I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/889">TS</a>]

00:14:53   thickness wise obviously with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/893">TS</a>]

00:14:54   they're not at a loss for but anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/894">TS</a>]

00:14:57   it's it's it's not that big of a deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/897">TS</a>]

00:14:58   and I still I still think it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   cool for them to go us bc but this rumor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/900">TS</a>]

00:15:01   seems to say they're not and so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   back to the default universe of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   where it's lighting for a while longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   yet what I do wish for at least since we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   since we're probably not going to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/910">TS</a>]

00:15:11   our our USBC on both ends cable does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   anybody make the USBC equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/914">TS</a>]

00:15:18   these wonderful anchor like five port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   USB chargers like all I've seen out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   there are charges that have one USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   port I have not seen any that have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   five like I would love to standardize on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   just one cable type and just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   might like I I'm traveling soon and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/931">TS</a>]

00:15:34   packing my travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/934">TS</a>]

00:15:35   bag and I have to have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/935">TS</a>]

00:15:36   different cable types because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   well I need every combination of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/938">TS</a>]

00:15:39   something on one end and something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   on the other end and like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   between us be a USB see lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   microUSB like I have all these stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/944">TS</a>]

00:15:46   cable types and these 50 different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/946">TS</a>]

00:15:48   chargers come on I mean anyway so I hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/948">TS</a>]

00:15:51   I hope there's I hope the USBC ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   blooms soon because when it does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   will be even more reason for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   please for the love of God change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   iphone use USB see speaking of vga you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/960">TS</a>]

00:16:03   better hope USB a USB type a connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   doesn't turn out to be the vga port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   hangouts reference you remember like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/967">TS</a>]

00:16:10   remember how long vga held on we had so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/970">TS</a>]

00:16:12   many other standards that like it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/972">TS</a>]

00:16:13   just like you could not get rid of ej [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   just eight states ee on the side of pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/975">TS</a>]

00:16:17   laptops they stubbornly on projectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   long after multiple better smaller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   standards existed and really hoping the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   USBA hasn't like gained enough momentum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/983">TS</a>]

00:16:27   that it will not be dislodged by us bc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   for like an extra you know five to ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   years just because that will be said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/991">TS</a>]

00:16:34   know it's certain sometimes transitions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/994">TS</a>]

00:16:36   are easier like the second time through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   in this case like the transition from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   dock connector to lightning it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   painful but a lot of people took that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   opportunity to not just go to lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:48   for their devices or needs but to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:49   go directly to wireless to airplay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   bluetooth is like that with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:55   vga in conference room projector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   situation I wonder like how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   conference rooms actually just went from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   VGA to DVI or lightning and how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:06   just switched to other solutions like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   air playing to an apple TV or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   like that well it's fucking for someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   doesn't spend a lot of time in corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:13   America ya know they don't have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:16   play though airplay as airplay is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:20   the answer but I gotta tell you so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:21   office is all in on the Google ecosystem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:23   which it at first glance for an apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   centric show like ours might sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:27   terrible but truth be told it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:30   works out really well and so in most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:32   conference rooms there's a chromebox and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:35   I don't know enough about chrome boxes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   to know if there's something special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   about them like I've seen the physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   cardboard boxes that the chromebox comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   in and I think it says like chromebox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   for meetings or something like that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   it the specific specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:49   it doesn't matter but what ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   happening is there's a TV in each of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   these conference rooms there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   chromebox hooked up to the TV and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   chromebox shows like that rooms schedule [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1076">TS</a>]

00:18:00   for the day and you just select you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:03   the the current oftentimes the currently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   active button and that will jump into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   the google hangouts for that meeting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   not having used Google Hangouts prior to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   coming to the company i had heard like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   lot of mixed things about it i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   it would be kind of garbage but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:18   actually pretty nice and that what we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:22   do is if you are trying to present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   something to the meeting you just hop on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:26   the Hangout on your laptop and it will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:28   it will thus it implicitly go to the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:32   in the conference room and it will also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:33   be presented to anyone that happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   be remote as well it works out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   surprisingly well and yes there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:39   hiccups and coughs and whatnot from time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:40   to time but it's really solid I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1120">TS</a>]

00:18:43   surprised how much I've really gotten to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:46   like hangouts in this regard when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   other choices WebEx anything looks good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   yeah that's true too amen brother I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:53   so well before we get on topic of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   conference rooms like I remember going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:58   through this several years back at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1138">TS</a>]

00:18:59   when we were going through a corporate I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:03   don't know disturbance upsetedness about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:07   conference room tech like everyone was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   cranky about it especially the tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:11   people and we tried all those things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   had a Google box we tried to Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   Hangouts and I you know airplane to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:19   Apple TVs came up because if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   how much money all the equipment we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   that we were installing to see how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:24   it was costing it's like an apple TV is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   nothing compared to that and this is yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   another market that Apple could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   done well in with either a dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   product like a chromecast or just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:33   making apple TV better but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:36   basically a non-starter partially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   because you know no airplay on PCs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   everything but we had a lot of Max and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:42   don't think that would have stopped it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:43   mainly because it was so much of a pain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   to get Apple TV's on to the corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   network you could do it but you needed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   special weird utility and it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   simple and no one wanted to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   with that so now instead of being able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   to bring your mac into the room and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:55   airplay to the projector you plug into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   one of the 800 cables that's poking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:59   of this giant Hydra one of hgs is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   vga [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:02   who knows what they're going to do if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:03   and when my work ever buys the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:05   laptops that have the USBC connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   because most of the time in mac users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08   plugged in to hdmi these days yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   have to mention to like hdmi because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   know Vijay was analog and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   finally got DVI and then HDMI which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:17   basically DVI with bonus stuff attached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:20   to it I feel like it's easier to adapt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:23   to the to the new digital standards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   these days and HDMI is also pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:26   pretty well supported now I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   think it's I don't think it's as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   like as universal as vga was at its peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   but I think it's getting there and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:35   it's going to be fairly trivial for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:38   almost any new port standard to adapt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   hdmi for the foreseeable future if this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   is going to be in such high demand every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   new device that has video out capability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:48   will have some way to transit that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   HDMI for a long time so I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:52   it's mostly a moot point these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1252">TS</a>]

00:20:54   we're sponsor this week by Pingdom my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:58   favorite server monitoring service start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:00   monitoring your websites and service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   today at Pingdom calm / ATP you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:05   14-day free trial and when you enter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   code ATP a checker you get twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   percent off your first invoice pingdom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:11   makes the web faster and more reliable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:12   for everyone by offering powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:15   easy-to-use monitoring tools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:16   services for anybody with a website so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   Pingdom can monitor availability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   performance of servers databases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   websites anything with the URL for more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:25   than 70 global test servers you can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   for instance if there's some weird dns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   problem where like your site is offline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   for only a certain part of the world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:33   it happened to not be where you live you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   might not you better know about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:36   otherwise but Pingdom can tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   they can tell you so much your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   performance up time they can emulate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   visits to your site is that often is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   every minute to check out sometime and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   they can check for things like regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:47   expressions or patterns or substrate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   anything else and all sorts of you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:51   take you can have it served with cookies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:52   and conditions and everything it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   incredibly powerful stuff breaks on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:56   internet all the time and I mean heck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:59   this this past week there was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   interesting outage of Amazon s3 and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   caused a lot of stuff to break and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   Pingdom had a lot of outages to report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   and of course they did they did their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   job very well there because they always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:10   do their job very well i've been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   Pingdom since I think 2007 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:15   it's it's been a very long time I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:17   it for the vast majority of tumblr all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:19   events to paper all of overcast so far I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   use it for my personal site our friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   underscore David Smith used to use it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   monitor the Apple WBC page for changes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:29   and have it alert him every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   whenever the page change so we'd know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:32   when tickets went on sale because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:34   don't have to actually own the URLs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:35   you're testing there's all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   great uses for Pingdom and of course if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:40   you run a server or a website or any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   kind of web service you need to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   when your site goes down and you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   be the first to note you shouldn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   to wait around to the two later read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50   Twitter and see like you've had 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   responses people on Twitter that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   site's been down over the last three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   hours and you didn't even know about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   with pingdom you'll be the first to know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   you can be alerted by a text message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   push notification email and you will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   the first to know so you can go fix it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   before all the people on Twitter see and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   start bugging you about it before your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:09   customers see it before you lose any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   business check it out today go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:12   Pingdom calm / ATP for a 14-day free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   trial and get twenty percent off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   first invoice with offer code ATP thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:19   to pingdom for sponsoring our show ah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   Eric Peterman rights in part of the USBC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:27   spec is two-way power devices choose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:31   what charges what based on the order of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   plugging them in so aim at hood charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:37   the switch so this is Harry way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:39   it really is this is with regard to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:42   rumor or or or maybe what I guess wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   a rumor but but somebody had plugged a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   switch into one of the new macbook pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:49   and they said oh this is weird the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   switch is charging the macbook pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:52   rather than what you would expect which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:54   is the reverse and this is what Eric's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   talking about so i had heard separately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1437">TS</a>]

00:24:00   from a not reliable source that that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:02   actually a firmware issue with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   switch but this indicates that it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   about who plugs into what when which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   kind of bananas the fact that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:09   wouldn't be deterministic like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:12   would like imagine imagine like in real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:15   life you know anybody using these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:17   devices who isn't intricately familiar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   with the USBC spec you know oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:22   accidentally plug this in backwards and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:24   depleted the device that I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   charge plug your phone into your laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   and it drains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:28   run to climb yeah why would you design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:31   spec that who knows III haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   this obviously but i think is actually a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   reasonable way for things to work in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   absence of anything else dictating and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39   would imagine if you plug a phone into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:42   an apple out you know an iphone into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   apple laptop they have already they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   already have a system through some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:47   resistor values some other crap to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   ensure that it never goes in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   opposite direction but if you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   devices that are basically from their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   perspective but I don't know making up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   terminology of like to host devices like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:57   laptop and the switch that's as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   reasonable way as any if they both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:01   expect to be the thing charging but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:02   their plugs into each other there has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   be some kind of negotiations a plug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   water sounds fine but I would hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   for the common case where it's like one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   really big one and one really small one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   like I would hope that the phone doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   have the power to charge anything I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   I suppose it does it powers like audio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   peripherals but it's not charging them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   right now barely yeah all right daniel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:22   klein rights in us bc vs lightning isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:25   the middle part of us bc a lot more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   breakable than the solid lightning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   connector in he continues more important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:32   than springs i'm not entirely sure what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   he's referring to there like the little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   springing bits this is a my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   about the USBC before seeing them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:41   even when you see you can kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   know look and look into the the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   connector on us bc and you see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   little circuit board thing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   contacts sticking out and in theory you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   can stick your finger nail in there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:51   just crack that thing down your port is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:53   dead I haven't don't have enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:56   real-world experience plugging and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   unplugging USBC to say how fragile that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   thing is and how likely it is to either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:01   get stuff jammed around it or break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   these are all question marks I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:06   imagine that it is probably sturdier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   than you think because it's wedged up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   there and unless you actually stick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   something in there to get at it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   it's not some place where it can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:17   bumped or hit or anything and when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   connector is around it it's very secure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:21   because it's a police surrounded by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:22   thing so I'm going to give them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   benefit of the doubt give Apple the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   benefit out of rubber design is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:26   connector that that it is okay and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:31   this question maybe think about and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:32   other people who ask similar questions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:34   about the springy bits in the contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   and maybe think about my what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   saying last show about how it is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   to have the springy bits in the cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   because if they fatigue didn't start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   making bad contacts you just threw out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   the cable and get a new cable where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:46   the springy bits fatigue inside your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:49   iPhone what can you do there's not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:50   you can do about it but that was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   context of the hardware virus where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:55   the springy bits get less springy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:57   don't contact well with the contacts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:58   start arcing and make a little Bernie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:00   spot and that Bernie spot doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:01   connect with other one it spreads from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:02   things the thing seems to me that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   could still happen no matter where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:06   springy bits are because if it starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   arcing because the springy bits in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:09   cable or bad it's going to leave that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   little scorch mark on the the stationary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:14   part inside the female USBC connector [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   you won't see it you won't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   little stripy thing but it'll be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   which means that even after you throw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:21   out the cable now one of your contacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   inside your USBC connector inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   female end is a little bit scorchy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   so when you stick your brand spanking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   new cable that you bought in there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   going to have poor contact with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   score so like that that it could still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   happen what is what I'm saying now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   guess it's all depends on how resilient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   the springy bits are maybe it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   design of the springing bits this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:41   different they certainly you know look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   different if you look inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:45   connectors and they do inside lighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:46   so I don't know again it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   difficult to eyeball these things based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   on like the few people you know and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   guesstimation by looking at connectors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   only the companies that make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   products have actual numbers and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   don't seem to be sharing them but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1678">TS</a>]

00:27:59   imagine if there is a large reliability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   difference between lightning and USB see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   we as a society will learn that together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:06   over the next few years because even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   though we won't have the data eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   it'll be clear is there some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:11   widespread problem with this and not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   widespread problem with that or is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   problems with both of them or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16   like I imagined it'll be about a wash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:19   but we'll say Jeff Spivak writes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   naked robotic macbook pros and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:25   link to yanko design which has a super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:30   case for your macbook what the deuce is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   going on here it's just like the macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:36   pro this isn't a macro pro this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   macbook but hey you know these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:38   laptops at apple mix have us bc and or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:42   thunderbolt three ports on them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   don't have any other reports that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   wanted no SD card slot no big honkin USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   a slot or whatever maybe you want more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50   battery on it and these sort of cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   for your laptop's that plug into the USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   see and or Thunderbolt three port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   and add a bunch of other ports just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   one of those adapters or docks that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   sell it or external and maybe also add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:01   the battery and so here you go Nick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   robotic or of your macbook you want it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   to be thicker and a little bit heavier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   and have an SD card slot in the USB a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   thing and another USBC pass through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11   I might micro USB I can't even tell what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:12   the hell this thing has on it anyway you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   want a bunch more ports and you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:15   talk like an ugly pc laptop with a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   of plastic crap get this way to sell it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20   it doesn't look good but I'm saying it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:22   like this is this is one hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   the naked robotic or as applied to max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:27   like we made it as small and as thin as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   possible if you want something different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   you can add it like the tech is there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:33   you know like all the like all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:35   breakout docks and adapters like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:36   tech is there you could put an Ethernet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   port in this thing right go ahead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   it's kind of amazing that this you add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   this thing to it and it makes your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   laptop like seven times thicker but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:46   really does on one side have us be a in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:48   an SD card slot on the other side have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   another USB a USBC in a micro USB or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   wherever the hell it may be just another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:53   USB see I can't tell like suddenly your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:56   macbook one is macbook way more than one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   yeah this this thing is is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:03   else I I do commend the effort of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:07   like this to make these lifetimes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   useful but i think they are destined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:12   have the same problem the same thing i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:14   was complaining about with with battery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   backpacks on phones that all of the like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   casing and electronics overhead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:22   having to have like the separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:25   standalone device with its own plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:27   on both sides and its own like metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   shielding and different parts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   charging opponents and discharging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   components and everything else like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:34   additional bulk of having to bolt this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:38   on as an external thing makes the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:41   package end up being so bigger so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:44   bigger and heavier than if you had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   laptop that just had these things in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:47   first place built in that it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:50   doesn't it just seem compelling to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   and so the alternative in apple's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   universe assuming apple doesn't actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   make a machine that has the ports that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:57   you want on it like the apple does make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   these things with a very capable port on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:02   it that is capable of supporting opus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:03   like the reason he's going to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:04   because there is a capable the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:05   turnip is a whole mess of adapters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   hours and we look at this we sell ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   and ugly as it inconvenient it makes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   thicker it makes it heavier is it uglier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   and more inconvenient than a whole mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   of adapters or an external breakout box [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   doc I mean it really depends on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:21   environment you're using it I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   want to be I would be more happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   carrying this from conference room to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:25   conference room attending a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28   meetings no matter how ugly it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:29   because it's self-contained and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   have to have like put down my laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:34   then dumped on the table a handful of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   adapters or a breakout box or this big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   Hydra of cables like that that is worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   in many ways for a machine that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:41   supposed to be portable so yes it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   technically possible to plug in a bunch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   of wires it kind of reminds me of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:46   old imac ads were they would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:48   the pc with a million wires poking out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   of the back of it and sure like the imac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:51   and how clean it wasn't you didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   all this stuff just one power cable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   right that's some of the mouse that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   like every macbook one that people use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   to get anything beyond like the basics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   done on yeah i really they're using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   their own computer for that but even I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   recall seeing like if you ever see a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:05   picture of a real persons like not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:08   a marketing shot but someone who bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09   a mac pro and uses it for work bought a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   trash can to work as a million wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:14   coming out of it and it looks for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   the world like those ugly pcs I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   saying this is the wrong solution but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:18   it's kind of like how they always show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   like lamps in product shots without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   wires coming from them or like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   appliances like there's never any wires [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   like wait how does that lamp get power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:27   they erase the wires because wires are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   ugly they don't want you to see them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:31   when they're showing a picture like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   know here is Samsung's fancy new TV they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:35   don't show the wires coming out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:36   because that's ugly you know even when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   they show the back of it they don't show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:39   the wires they want to show you all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:40   ports wires are ugly and inconvenient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   and make your products look worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:45   are generally annoying to wrangle and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   as ugly as this weird little sleeve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48   thing is i hope the signal is sending to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   Apple is hey Apple if you made a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   that made a different set of compromises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:56   you may be able to you know I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   it should be apples job to make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:00   that no one ever wants to buy this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   and maybe they don't want to buy just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:02   because it's ugly but say they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   Justin SD card slot as we've discussed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:07   on the macbook pro 13-inch would that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   satisfy everybody know because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   doesn't have micro you know USB and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   the USB a ports or whatever but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:16   satisfy slightly more people and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:19   would the cost be so it's very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:20   knowing what what the right compromise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   is for the complement of ports I do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:25   the idea that things like this are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:26   possible I don't like the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:27   people would be driven to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   because they're you know they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   to say they're they're not of Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   quality for the most part yeah i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:35   this like you know what you said like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   Apple were to allow us to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   different set of compromises if you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:42   to boil down all of my complaints about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   Apple's hardware lineup from the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   five years or so that's it like I wish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:49   Apple would allow me the choice of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   different compromises because for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   most part they tend to enforce the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:58   compromises on their entire product line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:01   on every member of the family so for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   instance like you know all the laptops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:05   are now hidden lights which sacrifice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   ports and now keyboard usability and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   trackpad usability like they set for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   things in the name of thinness and for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   lot of people that's great it's great to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   have that as an option in the lineup but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   I just wish it wasn't now the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:19   option in the lineup and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   products like this just show that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24   is still substantial demand even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:27   you know any any given one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   types of things is not going to sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   very well I don't think but I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   says something that this is not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:36   first thing we've seen like this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2076">TS</a>]

00:34:37   there's also the whole you know beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   just like the whole like you know new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   bottom case thing like this that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   kind of sit the laptop in there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   the entire ecosystem of all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   different USBC hubs that like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   every macbook one owner has one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:52   hubs at least one if not like seven from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   different Kickstarter's and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:55   like this really says I think Apple I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   wish Apple would would look at these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   results and and realize like it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:05   better it would be better for a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   customers to just have different choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:10   not just to be able to pick your given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:13   screen size of the same compromised [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16   ultra thin laptop we are sponsored this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   week by away go to away travel calm / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22   ATP for twenty dollars off your order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   use promo code ATP during checkout away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   makes basically like modern-day nicely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:31   thoughtfully designed luggage at great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   value prices so these are ways to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   are made with premium German [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   polycarbonate which is unrivaled and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   strengthened impact resistance and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   lightweight the interior is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   thoughtfully designed if you use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   patent-pending compression systems you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   could fill a lot in there they of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   have for full spinning wheels for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   smooth ride if you never you never used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   force for Bill two cases it's a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:54   big of greater for to build two cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   they've of course a TSA approved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:57   combination locked onto the top they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   also have a couple interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:00   like a removable washable laundry bag so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:03   when you're out traveling you put all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   your dirty clothes in this removable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   washable laundry bag that's built into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:09   the suitcase so you always have with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10   and it keeps a separate from your finger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:12   from your other clothes and it's easy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:13   take out later and wash and they also in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   their carry-on model this is incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   thoughtful you might you might have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:18   heard about this elsewhere in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   carry-on model they have a built-in USB [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   charging battery so you can plug in cell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:25   phones tablets e-readers and anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:28   else that's USB powered you can plug it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   in and charge it with your carry-on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   suitcase from away a single charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   the OA carry-ons internal battery can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   charge your iPhone 5 times and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   anything ever breaks on these suitcases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:42   away will fix or replace it for you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   life they have a lifetime warranty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:48   of course because you're buying a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   suitcase on the internet which sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:51   kind of weird they have you covered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   there too with a hundred day trial so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   here's the hit of this works you can buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   it for a hundred days you can live with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   it you can even travel with it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   can actually buy it travel with it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   three months and then decide after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   whether you want to keep it or not if at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   any point you decided to not for you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   can return it for a full refund with no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:11   questions asked so check it out today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   these are really thoughtfully designed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   well-made suitcases with a lifetime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   warranty and a hundred day trial so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   there's really nothing to lose here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   check it out at away travel com / ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:27   and use code ATP during checkout to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   twenty dollars off your order once again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   that's a way travel calm / ATP and promo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   code ATP for twenty bucks off your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:37   order thank you very much to a way for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2257">TS</a>]

00:37:39   sponsoring our show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   alright so we're going to start tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:45   with four starting tonight sort of with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:51   a couple maybe all three of us ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   grumps talking about windows or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   windowing i guess i should say on iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:58   and Stephen Trent Smith who is uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:03   probably the best iOS hacker and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:08   know I hate using that term on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   ironically but I don't know what else to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   call him I don't think he would take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:13   offense yeah I don't mean it in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   disparaging way anyways he has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:19   putting together over the last week or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:21   so basically a windowing system for iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2301">TS</a>]

00:38:24   I guess specifically for ipad and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:28   absolutely bananas how impressive it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:31   looks and how fluid he's gotten it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   look and there are several tweets about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:36   well there's many tweets about it we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:38   put one or two in the show notes but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   what's of interest to us I guess is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:45   tweeted phone call from app review side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   by side windows fine resizable windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:51   fine overlapping windows scream emoji [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:55   apparently app review does not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:59   idea of having two windows or views on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:04   top of each other and this relates to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:07   one of my favorite ipad apps not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:11   necessarily in terms of how much I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:12   used it but just I think it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   unbelievably clever idea which is panics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   status board app which if you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   familiar is basically you can arrange a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:22   series of widgets on the iPad screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   use your iPad a status board or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   want to you could plug it into a TV and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   use a whole TV as a status board powered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:32   by an iPad and it's very similar to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   and so cable sasser of panax says stone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   our blog CMS as a never posted goodbye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   status board post from the time Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   said widgets are okay but we can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   more than one widget and this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:47   included an illustration that may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   helped change their minds and it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:50   illustration of this humongous TV with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   as little teeny tiny widget on it trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   make the point of you know this is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:57   of ridiculous so I know this there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2397">TS</a>]

00:40:01   kind of a lot to unpack here but before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04   anything else I do I am so unbelievably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:06   stunned and impressed by what Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:08   Trump Smith is done with this iPad my I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:12   was gonna call it a mock-up but I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:13   it's it's working it's real it's a tech [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:15   demo yeah that's a much better term for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   it it's so freaking cool he basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:20   made finder yeah like a really simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   version of finder with with like Finder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   windows and everything be able to browse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   files and preview the van everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:28   it's pretty impressive it's kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   the Mac os10 finder anyway not the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   fun yeah and and it's at the point of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   is not to be like a useful application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   the point of it is I I think to to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   off like here's a really easy obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:42   way that you could do when doing on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   iPads and let's see how how it actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   behaves and works like is it useful is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:49   it easy to do is it confusing or does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   just kind of work and so far I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   just kind of works you left off the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   few tweets here which I think are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:58   important both both Steven and cables [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   things so Steve continues after his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:02   scared face emoji or screaming face i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   had another Chris sorry Casey I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   know the correct name of that emoji and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   chrome couldn't handle it so I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   actually taste it if only we had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:10   resource on this show somebody who was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   really an emoji expert uh he handled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   and he read right over scared face and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   he replaced it with the correct which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:18   I assume was the correct one cuz will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   this was deferred to him he's fluent in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   emoji right hello here so this is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   a perv you saying the side by side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   window you know overlapping windows is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   no good right so saying effectively this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30   is merely an informal heads up that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   it were to be submitted to the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   with overlapping windows would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   rejected remember he's not a submitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36   an application of the app store he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:37   just doing like tech demos on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   and he gets a phone call from a ver you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   saying by the way if you were to submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:44   that no all right and so the final bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   here is this is why the ipad can't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:48   nice things you're stuck waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   Apple to innovate which is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:53   point of all just like who knows this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   a good idea maybe this is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:56   idea but if Apple is going to not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:59   enforce a set of guidelines in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2519">TS</a>]

00:42:01   quality and viruses and advertising and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:04   you know adult content and all sorts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   other things that the app store does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:07   to at the lab at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:09   level to say you know you do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12   you want if you're making a game and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   like it like you make a bunch of gooeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   but in the in-between place where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   try to make your own GUI we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   say no to that and it's like Apple you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:23   don't look like it's a third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:24   application maybe it's a terrible idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   when everyone hated maybe it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   idea and you'll end up stealing it like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:29   pull to refresh you have to allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   application developers to do things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   this with the devices that you're making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   like this is not a ridiculous notion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   right and and maybe if it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   ridiculous would be allowed because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   again games gonna like look at my whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   screen is a big OpenGL view I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   whatever the hell you want an apple is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:46   not going to be like Oh your menu system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   in this racing game looks a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   weird like they don't care it's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   this looks too much like a regular UI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   and this is not like the image that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:55   Apple wants for their thing and I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:58   like this starts to cross a line of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   not ensuring quality in the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   you are constraining the you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   constraining innovation like legitimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:06   innovation not he's not trolling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:08   this he's trying out a interface idea an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   interface idea that is just as valid is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   half the other people's terrible uses of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:14   UI kit then end up being terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   interfaces maybe it'll be terrible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   who knows but why is this not allowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   but so many other like sketching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   applications that have like drag off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   palette so you can float it's like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:24   that's okay because the background is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2604">TS</a>]

00:43:26   your painting or your sketch that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   doing and that's not a window and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   the things I floating on top of it our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   windows but they can't overlap with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   other it's it's ridiculous like and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   we are forced to wait for Apple to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:37   slowly but you know perhaps surely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:41   perhaps not decide what it's going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   with this whole window okay pic picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44   and picture is fine and Apple do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:45   and make an official API for it can we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   have any other floating windows up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:48   the windows hmm maybe one or two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:52   apps allow but don't try to solve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   whole problem in the general purpose way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:55   because only apples allowed to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   so you're so it the users of the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   the users of iOS are stuck waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   Apple to figure out what to do it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   impossible for third parties to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   on iOS devices because Apple simply [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:09   won't let them and that is terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:10   because most of the awesome innovations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   on the mac and many of them on iOS came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   from third-party developers that did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   something it became popular Apple saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   and said well that's a good idea we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   should build that into the US or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   incorporate a similar mark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   or you know by super clock about clock [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   in the menu bar I mean come on come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   Apple this is super disappointing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   especially there / actively dickish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   about it call him saying yeah you better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   not submit that to the outdoors will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   reject it just so you know hold on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:36   though was that I don't think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:38   out of the blue and I might have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:40   wrong but my interpretation which may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:42   my own fabrication was that he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   submitted it for like test flight or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:47   something and so as part of that he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50   like a little mini review and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   then that it was brought to apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   attention and then that they called him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:55   and were like oh no that's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:57   work but it either way like it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   whether even if you officially submitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   the bottom line is that they are they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   saying you are not allowed to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   in this way which i think is ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   let the app die on its own if it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:07   terrible idea right it's not it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:10   it's not malware well so there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   been this rule i just checked it's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:14   there there's been this rule this app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:16   review rule since i think the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2716">TS</a>]

00:45:19   publication of a preview rules back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   whenever that was like 2009-2010 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   it's rule number 258 apps that create [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:27   alternate desktop or home screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:29   environments where simulate multi app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   widget experiences will be rejected I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:33   know like Launch Center pro had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   problem a while back to I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   girl rule as bogus to you know I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   do but but I think it's worth it's worth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   questioning why that rule is there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   it might just be some like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   crazy Steve Jobs control freak old over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   but there also might be good reasons for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   so it might be for instance like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   don't want like another app to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:56   like start like its own entire app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   ecosystem within it self like although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:01   it's you can kind of argue that's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:02   of what like whatsapp do does and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   everything but and snapchat anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   Facebook geez anyway but I think there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:12   probably like this rule is probably not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:14   helping innovation overall it is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   probably holding things back now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:18   being said you know support for any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:22   of like windowing system like this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:25   get anywhere the way to do it in iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:27   for Apple to do it like it's it's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   get anywhere you know in the market like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:32   this well I disagree if it was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   a good idea and it was implemented in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   a popular or soon to be popular widely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   used creative application like for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   example of Adobe Illustrator came and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:41   had tear-off pouts that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:42   overlap and rearrange just like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:44   desktop one right they'll be disallowed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:46   under the under these stupid overlapping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   real things you can overlap to pouts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   with each other but if it was popular on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   that application and people liked it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   their big ipad pro every competitor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   application would be scrambling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   implement that any new competitor in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:01   market would say if i want to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   professional vector drawing application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:04   on the 12 inch ipad pro i need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   these floating overlapping palettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   because the market leader has them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   everybody loves them and if i don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   them you know what i mean like let the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:13   idea live and die on its own i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   that if you're going to say okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   individual applications good window only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:19   Apple can do that period and that's fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:21   but just to see bearing out the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   like is it is it ridiculous to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   people poking their fingers at window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   which is this is a dumb idea does it not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:27   work in a touch interface like the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:30   way you will know is by trying you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   think about you do the mental exercise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:33   and be like oh I don't want to drag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:34   around a window with a title bar how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   would I arrange them how does it work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:37   you have to try like I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   this is the role of third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   developers if someone wants to muck with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:42   that and see if it's useful I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:44   can get a result that says either this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   is useful and maybe would be even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:49   useful if applied broadly by Apple but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2869">TS</a>]

00:47:51   even just within the confines of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   application just like the floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:53   palettes that are in a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:54   applications now where there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   floating thing that you can tear off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:57   move around that I think it's proof is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   proving its own utility because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   don't know where it has to be and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:02   it's always stuck to the side it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   of difficult let the person move it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:04   around so it's out of their way when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   they're drawing but it lets them sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   configure their tool set and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   push it off to the side where they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   it like I think that is an idea that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   showing its value merely one confined to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   third-party applications and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   just taking to the next step and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:18   it's a step too far and it's a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   idea but Apple you just got to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:21   people try it have you seen a panel kit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   which is apparently an open source [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   framework to do these kind of like snap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   to the side and like sticky popover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:32   panels sort of things there's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   good animated gif that's on the readme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:38   for this thing and we'll put a link in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:39   the show notes but it's not exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:42   apples to apples what Steve Robin Smith [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   was doing but it's very much of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   similar spirit and it looks really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   I haven't looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:50   but just the demonstration looks really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   good yeah I mean I I think that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:55   more productive conversation to have on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   on this kind of thing is not like how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:59   can get Apple to let it through wrap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:00   review because let's face it they won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   or if they suddenly have a change of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   heart on an ancient rule like this it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:07   won't be because of us but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   worth all these things panel kit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:12   Steve Tran Smith uh you know his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   thing whatever it doesn't have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   official name don't look so uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:19   I i think it's it's worth talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:21   and I think this is probably why he made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   it it's worth talking about like does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:25   this work on iOS and do you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   there's a future of windowed apps in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:31   some form like this on on iPads I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:35   know so yeah on that topic like cuz I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:39   brought this up several shows back when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:40   what was it we were talking about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:41   had the floating thing is when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:44   originally talked about picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   picture and there was some application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:46   that also had a floating hang on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   it oh I don't know you got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:50   references yeah it was a thing that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:54   took come on chat room mark will cut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:55   this out as we discover it what was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:58   floating iPad keyboard si si oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:04   thing okay you're right yeah it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   floating keyboard that i'm pretty sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   Steve Tretton Smith also found yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   secret a hidden API private api for to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   put a keyboard there wasn't just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   bottom of your screen it's lit up from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:16   the bottom but rather was a floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17   keyboard that was much smaller that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   could move wherever you want it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:20   screen and that's that made me say this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   is kind of like a window and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:24   another example of that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   picture-in-picture there's another kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:26   of window basically a little square [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3026">TS</a>]

00:50:27   that's on the screen that you can move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   wherever you want it more or less within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   constraints blah blah blah blah blah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:32   which is different than the traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:34   iOS experience which is a panel comes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:36   from aside or goes out from whatever but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37   you can't move it around right and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   that was me initiating a larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   discussion about windows with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   lowercase W on iOS spawned by this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:47   know hidden keyboard type thing and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   also talked about some existing iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   applications like drawing applications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:52   that house will have floating palettes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   usually only one of them and it floats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:55   over the background which is your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56   drawing but that is the thing a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   people are trying and what I was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   to pitch them was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   as if you want to keep taking the iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   even more and more pro in addition to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:08   making the screen bigger and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:09   when you do make the screen bigger you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:10   want to make better use of that screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   and one proven way to let people make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:15   use of a larger screen is to give them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   different regions of it to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   more than just splitting it up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20   halves or thirds or whatever but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   within an application to be able to move [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:23   things around to arrange things the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   they want them now the thing I them add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   to this conversation here is based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:30   things that have been discussed on other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   podcasts starring my curly but also on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:37   cortex that's also him and cg b great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:39   talking about their multi ipad type [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   things and all for all the people out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   there whose it's multipad soon as I come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   on yes right now or or phones and iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:47   which is just as common we got the ipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   but your phone next to it or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   very often this is presented as a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:55   basically to multitask like to say my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:59   smaller ipad over here has this thing on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:00   my bigger ipad has this my phone has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   this on my phone i have messages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   available a little ipad i have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   slack and i'm a big ipad have the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07   that I'm doing right cg b great often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   refers to it the same way that people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:11   have multiple pieces of paper around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   their desk at the same time you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   this file tape over here then the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   thing you're working on your referring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:16   to your notebook for notes and you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   a book open over here were like having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   multiple desks here then I my left hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:23   desk of my right-hand desk each ant has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   its own death so it is that is life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:26   everything if you if you were writing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:27   paper referring to another thing and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   a book open right for her into your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   notes and had a reference book open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   right you would do that um now every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   time I hear them discuss us and I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   caught up on Carter cortex to forgive me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:38   if this comes up sometime in 2015 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:40   every time i hear is discussed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   distant past where I'm living in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:43   cortex right now I keep waiting for one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:46   of these two knuckleheads to realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:48   that what they're talking about it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   called windows why didn't maybe windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53   on personal computers it was like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:55   desktop like a literal like not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   literal desktop but the other meaning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   layer which is figurative desktop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:00   metaphorical best time right like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:03   top of your desk like it's not even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   distant is not even distant like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   was talk about that and then on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:09   desk would be different documents each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   of which will be represented by a window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   that you could move around the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:15   difference is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:16   that it was all within one piece of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   glass so you would take the windows / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   documents and arrange them how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   wanted with the thing you're writing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   the middle and the notes you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:25   referring to on the left and open a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:26   reference book on the right only middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   left and right would all be on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29   screen and so it's maddening to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   people talk about all I have my big iPad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:33   on my little half of your those are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   windows but their physical now and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   an in some respects it's better to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:38   physical windows like it is more there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   are advantages to physical windows but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:41   imagine if your whole desk was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   freaking giant Retina screen and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   could arrange these windows will call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   them and you would have your little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:48   phone and you're right there just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   differently sized with those guys you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:51   just read my nose in the meat space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:54   they're just nice windows and like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   so painful to me to sleep in and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   they'll say like I don't want that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   don't want Windows window what you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   window arrangement sucks arranging my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   two iPads on my desk is great and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   is i'm not going to said there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:08   something to that because dealing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   physical devices is better than dealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:12   with the nose there are compromises to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   having them all be virtual on a 2d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   device but there are also advantages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   really really big advantages and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   with long experience with using very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   large screens with lots of windows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:23   them hello that's me can tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   they're all there are also advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   that approach and so I'm not saying one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:30   precludes the other and you have to stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:31   the other one I'm just saying they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   siblings they are they are solving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   same problem in almost exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   way with only slightly different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   compromises and if they're going to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   that that the multi-device thing is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   way they prefer versus the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   that's fine but to never mention the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:45   element never realized that what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   essentially doing is exactly the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   having a really big screen with multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   windows and that there are advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   having a really big screaming multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:53   windows in that virtual things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:56   easier to deal with and manipulate than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:57   real things like you can't switch spaces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00   that you can't swipe your four fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:01   to the left and suddenly a new desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   slides in with a new set of iowa devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   on it like its paces right okay minimize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   or window shade or or snap them to edges [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   or resize them because you can't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12   your ipad mini into a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   different orientation or a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:15   size like there there are trade-offs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:17   be sure and i'm not saying one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:19   dominant over the other but as a strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   strong proponent of the virtual pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24   of paper as you know as a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   approach for me personally than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   physical pieces of paper or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   virtual screens AK windows instead of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   the physical screens AK iOS devices I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   think this has to be in the mix and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:37   that's why when I say see Steve Trenton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:38   smiths like let's make some windows on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41   iOS devices I say yes yes finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:44   because if Apple ever does make a 27 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:46   inch iPad an approach that I think would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:49   appeal to a lot of people is to be able [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   to have different overlapping resizable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:54   things to it so that you're not it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   who wants to split a 27-inch screen into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   thirds or halves or quarters or like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01   know everyone loves tiling window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:02   managers on Linux or whatever there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   reason they have not taken the world by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:05   storm right not that overlapping windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   is it greatest either they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:08   anti-patterns too and people do like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   zoom everything full screen but I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   like this is an avenue that has to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:13   pursued it may not be the ultimate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   answer and it may be some hybrid of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   panels and staffing actually is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   best compromise for most people but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   have to pursue it because it has proven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:22   utility we all sit in front of Max all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   day and somehow somehow we managed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   get work done in this chaos of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   overlapping windows where we can never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   tell what the hell's going on and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   the gender like somehow we do it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:35   so I I desperately want to see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:38   Avenue per shirt but pursuit in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:39   every way by third party application [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   developers by Apple experimenting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   yes by Apple doing things in the OS and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:45   releasing larger iOS devices and for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:48   you multi iOS device users now you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:52   butchering I kind of say more power to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   you because you are kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   steampunk of multiple windows because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:58   you like there's basically there's steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   powered their physical manifestations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   windows and the ugly and dirty and grimy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   Anna made of brass but you like him so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   go for it add some beard oil Wow John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:14   love you that was incredible of my word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   I feel like this episode's done we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   done goodnight everybody that's not I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   mean it's over dude do you guys know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:21   what I was saying with the multiple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   yeah I know how were you guys fought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   multi devices versus multiple windows I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   know you're not as going on multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:28   windows I am ultimate devices is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   terrible solution to this problem it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:32   you know in many in in some contexts if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:35   you're trying to do certain things as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3455">TS</a>]

00:57:37   iOS power user sometimes it's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:38   solution of the problem but you know III [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   think and and granted you know to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:43   to the multipad lifestyle people I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:46   think this is the only reason they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:48   that it's not just to have two different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:50   applications right at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:51   there's other reasons why they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   have multiple devices for you know same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   reason that many of us have multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:56   macs like you know to have like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:58   one and a small one for travel versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   home you know stuff like that so all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   those things aside and I and honestly I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   think running two apps side-by-side on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   two different iPads is probably a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   uncommon use of multiple devices that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:12   from the people who have them but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:15   can picture a future of a future version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:18   of ipad multitasking where you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:21   just resize the apps not just with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:24   split view that we have now where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   just you can have at most two apps on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   screen if you don't count picture and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   picture video playback as one of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:32   you have at most 2 f's on screen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   they can only be arranged left and right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   in just different split sizes that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   like three different preset sizes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   they can possibly be that's very limited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   it's a lot better than having no multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   window environment on on the iPad like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   we had before iOS what was at nine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:51   out of that it's a lot better than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:53   but it's it's not nearly as powerful as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:56   having a more freeform system like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   overlapping windows or just more the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   even if it has to only be tiling windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:03   and so they can't ever overlap even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:05   that's the case ipad screens are a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08   bigger than phones and any universal app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   is made to scale from an iphone 5s all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:13   the way up to an ipad 12.9 why can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:17   have like six windows on screen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:20   have it be like a three by two grid on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   the 12 point nine inch each one would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   about the size of a moderately sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   iphone why couldn't you do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   like that like have six apps open at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:30   once or have four apps open at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   we're there are all small rectangles or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:33   something like that like I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:35   there's so many more places I've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   multitasking can go and granted there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:40   a few fundamentals that really need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:42   be built first before that makes a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   of sense things like drag and drop and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   some kind of more coherent file system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:49   access in some form but ultimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:53   multiple applications being open at once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:57   not just two of them is is the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:57   not just two of them is is the direction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3597">TS</a>]

01:00:00   this has to go for these devices to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   become more productivity powerhouses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:04   yeah i think you know John and John I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:09   think that Mike and in cgpgrey would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12   both say that that this is a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:15   solution like I I think one of you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   that a minute ago but it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:18   since they're not here to defend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   themselves to stress that I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   that they love the solution it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:23   that they do love iOS and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   hamstrung by the the things that iOS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   lets you do and I feel similarly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:30   I do love my iPad but I've been really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   really strongly kicking around the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:34   of getting a macbook adorable expressly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   because I want something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   effectively as portable as an iPad or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   close as I can get to that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   doesn't make me feel hamstrung every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:46   time I use it and to me the best answer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:48   to that question is a macbook adorable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:50   for them I don't think they feel near as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   hamstrung in general the problem is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   simply that they can only do with so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:56   many things at once and so for them it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3656">TS</a>]

01:01:00   does make sense to live the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   lifestyle I think it's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   kooky but just because I think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:07   them and clearly it does the most common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   multi-device thing I would imagine is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   personal computer style device on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   phone because like I said there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:16   there are definite advantages to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   steampunk windows and one of them is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:22   you a compartmentalize of things so very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   often it's text messaging whatever your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   text messaging services of choice text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:27   messaging on your phone while doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:30   other things on your computer and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   computer may have messages on it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   maybe doesn't have whatever app using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:35   maybe you don't choose not to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:36   messages but that division of labor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   you're sitting somewhere you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   sitting in a coffee shop typing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:42   something on your computer and you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:43   text message and you look at it on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:44   phone that that's steampunk window it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:48   physically in a different location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:49   you're in a portable scenario where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   can have a gigantic 30-inch drafting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   board you know surface book pro like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   can't have that you're you're on the go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   it is a different site line two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   different focal distance it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   physical device that you used to texting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   people from all your past texts in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   apps that you love our on there using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:07   that as a steampunk window to do your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   you're texting is perfectly valid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   probably is an advantage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   over trying to cram your messages window [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   onto your 12 inch macbook screen next to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:19   the thing that you were trying to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:20   in your distraction free writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   environment right so like I I get it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:25   get why there is I I do it myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   sometimes when I'm at work sometimes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   work I will send and receive text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:30   messages on my phone even though I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:33   be getting them on my mac screen just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:34   because it is a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:35   compartmentalization of work versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   personal you know texting over who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:38   going to pick up what kid from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:39   activity or what you know what I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:40   like it makes sense to me to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:43   starts to make less sense when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:46   an environment you have a big desk and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3766">TS</a>]

01:02:48   raid on your desk you have a series of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:49   iOS devices of different sizes because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50   then then I feel like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   compromising in ways in you know who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:55   this a case you're saying like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   using iOS because they want to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   understand that and they have to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   because they are limited in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:01   multitasking and a more than anyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:03   would like rich or multitasking so I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:04   not I'm not slamming them for saying you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   should just use windows because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:07   can't you can't use it on iOS and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:08   want to use iOS devices there we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:11   stuck waiting for Apple to innovate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3791">TS</a>]

01:03:12   there it's just frustrating to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:13   we seem to be creepy users are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   organically creeping up on on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   solution and that the solution is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:22   bigger iOS device is suitable for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:23   desktop environment that supports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:25   something like Windows that gives the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   user is more flexibility in how they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   arrange their space everybody does this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   is one of my big things with all spatial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:32   founder and everybody arrange is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:34   workspace especially if it's a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   you're doing all the time whether it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   a carpenter arranging their tools or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:40   artist arranging their palates and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:42   paints and their brushes and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:45   easily like and having or a chef setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   aside all the ingredients that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:49   going to you know use in their thing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:51   like everybody arranged is their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:52   workspace efficient workers do arrange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   their workspace we all do it on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   computers now we all have different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:57   arrangements and different amounts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   things and whether use spaces are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   our tiling window manager not or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   maximize everything and flip through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:03   them with your fingers or alt tab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   through things or click like that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   thing that we're going to do matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   we do with we do with windows we do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   with our steampunk windows we do it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   the physical world and I think no matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   what our interface to work is it has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:18   allow us to do that in some way and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:20   you know Mike and teacher be grey and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   everyone else who live in the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   lifestyle they're doing it the only way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   that is available to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   with the tools that they like but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   think we have to acknowledge the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   approach is fairly well proven at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:34   point for a certain set of users it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:37   disproven for a certain set of users as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:38   well because we all know that novice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   users the reason why they love iOS is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   because doesn't let them have to deal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   with this crap they don't get all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:44   confused by a bunch of windows right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:45   for a certain set of users you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   you were to tell someone that they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:49   to you know do three animation for Pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:53   about where they weren't allowed to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:54   windows they just had to use everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:55   full screen or a split screen they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   have a much harder time getting a job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:58   done I would imagine also I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:01   one other like side benefit like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   Apple were to do windowing on iPads it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:07   would also solve a tremendous problem of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:09   the iPad app ecosystem where iOS apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:12   are often not very optimized for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   iPad or aren't optimized for it at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   and sometimes really big apps like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:17   Instagram where which famously like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   still does not have an iPad app and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   shut down the API that allowed other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   iPad apps to exist for them imagine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:28   instead of having the you know the dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   like you know giant letterboxd iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:34   simulator version on ipad what if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:36   launched an on ipad optimized app and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:40   just launched in a in an iPhone sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   window and you could drag it around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:44   you could have other apps that you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:46   shrink down to that size and tile around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:48   your screen if you wanted to like almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   every iPad app that is the universal app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:55   with its phone version can again it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:57   scale to all these different sizes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:59   could solve problems like this very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   well also things like you know when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:03   Apple does make larger iPads that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   there's still a lot of ipad apps that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   aren't optimized for the 12.9 what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:09   when you launch one of these things on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   12.9 it just launched in a 9.7 sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:14   window and it was just one of many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   windows on your screen like there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   there are lots of benefits to this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   granted there's a lot of you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:21   challenges and a lot of probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   technical challenges of things like how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:25   do you manage memory for all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   different apps that could be you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:28   appearing to be running all at once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3988">TS</a>]

01:06:31   be in the foreground all at once and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:32   lots of API challenges or things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34   touch handling and what what kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   gets the attention and what doesn't and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   there's some weirdness already with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   multitasking of like if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   you have a keyboard connected and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:43   have you know two and you have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:45   different apps open right now during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:46   most Destin and you hit a shortcut key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:49   on the keyboard which app gets it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:51   right now I think it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   whatever app you tapped last or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:54   something but it's like that but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   no active state on the title bar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:58   indicate which one that is so you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   have to know or guess or try it so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:02   if they were to go in a direction like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   this that that brought like full-blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:06   windowing in some form or full-blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   most as like this to iOS there is a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   of work to be done it's not a small task [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   it is a this is not something they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   do in you know likely one release you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   know this is like a massive undertaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   and they've already done some of it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:23   doing a more freeform system Michael [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   we're describing would require a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   more of it but I think the result would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:30   be pretty great and an incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:32   powerful and really revive the ipad for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:35   productivity use which it does seem like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4055">TS</a>]

01:07:37   Apple needs something to do that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:40   would be great and that would also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   know if we if we do it the way I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43   we're like you know not optimized apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   with just launched in old device sized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   windows that could also solve this major [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   market and software ecosystem problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   that the ipad also faces so like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:55   would be a really great solution in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:56   number of ways the only question is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:58   would they ever do it would they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   it be worth devoting the resources to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:02   and would they then just be recreating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4082">TS</a>]

01:08:04   the mac poorly you know like they like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:06   the old lisp joke like or unix or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   whatever for purple eyes everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:10   later be recreating the mac better they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:12   should be learning from the mac and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:14   know making it better faster like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:16   know the Six Million Dollar Man type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:19   thing they should like they trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   slowly convert the mac and do a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:22   like into a thing that is better than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   mac is difficult but iOS you know is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:27   relatively clean slate they they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   reconsider everything they can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   bring over the things that are good they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32   can make different compromises they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   skew it in a particular direction they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   can make they can try to make it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:37   users who can't deal with lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   windows don't have to like make get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:44   shave off the sharp corners because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:46   see everyone's seen someone struggle to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   manage windows on a personal computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   but you know the lowercase W again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:52   whether it's on the Mac or on the pc [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   even in on the pc where everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:56   full screen and people are alt tabbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:57   there's still some confusion about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:59   floating things in layering and dialog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:00   boxes that appear and where did it go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   and mission a mission control and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:05   formerly expose and all that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:06   supposed to help with that and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:07   are great things those are all things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:08   learn from trying the right compromise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:11   for iOS devices where most of the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   it works the way most people want it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:15   but that the more advanced users have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   the ability to to get the productivity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   advantages that these people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   currently getting with multiple physical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:23   devices that's that's the bounce that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:27   Apple should strike and I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:28   great to do that on iOS where you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:30   not constrained by even making something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4170">TS</a>]

01:09:33   like Stevens thing here it looks like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   Mac window who says the title bar so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   right thing who says the window should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:38   have window witters what about scroll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   bar like you rethink everything but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:41   I'm thinking broadly speaking like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   were saying applications running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   simultaneously as we get more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:48   RAM becomes much more viable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:49   figuring out what that means as screens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:53   get bigger letting people divide the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   screen space the way they want to divide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:56   it up among the applications that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   want to run and then eventually gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   indecisive the right approach to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   thing what about preserving the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:03   arrangement because sometimes you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   side by side windows but then you go off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:06   and do something else how do you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:08   back into that side-by-side arrangement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:09   or maybe you want to go back to just one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   application not be in the side-by-side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4211">TS</a>]

01:10:12   arrangement but there are so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:15   that are still undetermined and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18   young and they haven't made a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:19   decisions yet so I think it's fine but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:20   you know as Marco pointed out they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:21   already painted themselves into weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:23   corners where like oh we allowed most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   buildings on the screen and we allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:26   keyboard shortcuts but not we never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   thought of a way to indicate which one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   is that has the focus so already we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   in a weird situation like you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   they should think more of those through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:36   before they take the nap step maybe they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   are maybe like we don't want to do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:39   we have an awesome idea that's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:40   be out in five years and we don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:42   you stomping on it but I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:43   silly I think you should let third-party [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   developers go nuts and figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:49   works and maybe you got some good ideas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:50   from them we are sponsored this week by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:53   Squarespace make your next move with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:56   beautiful website from Squarespace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:57   almost everything we do today uses a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:00   website you need a website for any kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4260">TS</a>]

01:11:02   of online store or blog or portfolio or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:05   business or new project or pod [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4265">TS</a>]

01:11:08   asked almost everything that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   do needs a website these days but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   not really worth installing a whole CMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:15   and building the entire thing from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:16   ground up and having to manage a server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:18   and having to manage software updates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:20   and everything else and then having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:21   having to hire somebody to custom design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:23   it for you that's so much overhead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:25   hassle and cost and time but really you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:28   should just have the website be taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:30   care of as quickly and easily as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:31   possible and then move on to something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:33   to your actual project that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4293">TS</a>]

01:11:35   actually building web site for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:36   Squarespace lets you do that whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   you're making a site for yourself or for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   somebody else who's asked you to make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:42   site because if you listen to show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:43   probably know how to make websites you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   probably had people in your life asked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46   you to make them for them Squarespace is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:48   so much better than any other option out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:50   there for making most websites because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   they have built-in templates they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:55   built-in widgets and capabilities so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:58   much is built in that you can do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:00   remarkable amount in less than an hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:03   like I challenge you next time you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:05   to make a website for anybody for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:06   yourself or somebody else try it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:08   Squarespace first give me the benefit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:10   the doubt here try it there first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12   just see how far you get in an hour or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   less even and I bet you're gonna get so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:16   far that you're going to how you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:18   what this is done like this or you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   finish it like in another hour then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:22   you're done that's it no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:24   your skill level whether you're a novice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:25   or whether you're a web programmer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   can get so much done with squares but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   you can make a beautiful website it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:31   looks professionally designed and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   stays up because they keep they may they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:34   manage it for you they support it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:36   you're making for somebody else is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:37   important they support it you don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   to worry about all the backend stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:41   they take care of it and your site looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4361">TS</a>]

01:12:43   awesome check it out today start a free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   trial with no credit card required at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   squarespace com when you decide to sign [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   up make sure to use the offer code ATP [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   to get ten percent off your first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:53   purchase make your next move with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:56   squarespace ah speaking of ipad clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4376">TS</a>]

01:13:02   a full god running it's so much anger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:07   from the ipad people I'm so sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:08   everyone we shouldn't we also had good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4388">TS</a>]

01:13:10   things about the ipad yeah the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:12   thing is like the cortex hosts have now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4392">TS</a>]

01:13:14   moved on from talking about the multipad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4394">TS</a>]

01:13:16   lifestyle now they're both just slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:18   becoming programmers but they're both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   denial of that fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:21   they both keep inching more and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   towards like guys you're actually just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   becoming programmers and it's okay and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:27   that's good there it turns out there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4407">TS</a>]

01:13:29   way to automate our computing tasks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:34   just write these little things you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:36   call them I don't know programs yeah it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:39   reminds me of some what did I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:40   somewhere when some business snark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4420">TS</a>]

01:13:43   website thing talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4423">TS</a>]

01:13:45   specifications first off our projects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:48   like if you read the requirements write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:49   and you dreaded requirements and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:51   typically requirements like I want to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:53   blah blah blah and it's like that's too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   vague I don't know exactly what you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:56   so you go back and forth about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:57   requirements do you know how do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   to work know how do you really want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:00   work your honor barclay guess work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4440">TS</a>]

01:14:01   that and eventually the business person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:03   getting frustrated and it's like look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4443">TS</a>]

01:14:06   just I'm going to tell you exactly how I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:08   wanted to work with no ambiguity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:11   it's like if you do that what you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:12   done is wrote a program yeah eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:15   it to specify it that's what programmers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4455">TS</a>]

01:14:18   do like people just want to specify it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:20   and like and the adi adi or start all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4460">TS</a>]

01:14:21   the details the computer you can't yadda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:22   yadda you have to say no how exactly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:25   you want to work all right I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26   tell you exactly how you wanted to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:27   in every kid in every condition here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   what you can do both love but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   that's program that's called programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:33   you were you what you want to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:34   programmer now so go ahead all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   thank you you can very quickly find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:38   yourself becoming a programmer with as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:40   accidental pouring podcast become a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   programmer without knowing it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:43   eventually you'd be like getting down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:46   a level of detail were you telling it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:47   I'm gonna tell you about every possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   eventuality what you should do that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:51   programming sure does know just does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   what you tell him what I love how like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:56   think I think Mike in particular is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4496">TS</a>]

01:14:58   this isn't a special denial place here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:00   of like he makes fun of what not making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4500">TS</a>]

01:15:03   fun but like he talks about the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:06   developers use the terminal and and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:09   geeks use the terminal as this kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4509">TS</a>]

01:15:12   like crazy opaque thing that is this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4512">TS</a>]

01:15:15   know incredibly you know geeky obscure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   and then they'd like to talk about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:20   like using workflow against Web API is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:22   to automate certain times like it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4522">TS</a>]

01:15:24   same thing like it's just different to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4524">TS</a>]

01:15:26   different era of the exact same thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4526">TS</a>]

01:15:28   like the same kind of learning curve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   really the same kind of you know similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   kind of capabilities as usual the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   like us think the old way was better but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:36   you know it's really the same kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   things yeah although I think Mike my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:43   understanding of what Mike is doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:44   that he's largely cribbing what others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:48   like Federico or cgpgrey have done and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:50   modifying them a little bit but to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:52   on what you were saying so on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:53   surface you know it sounds like Oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:54   Mike's not really a program at all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   really that's how all programmers work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   is they take something that gets you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4558">TS</a>]

01:15:59   eighty percent of the way there and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4559">TS</a>]

01:16:01   fix what you need in order to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02   rest of the way and so I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   and Federico to me is is the king of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:07   this oh yes he's writing like ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09   Python scripts and these like hyper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   involved workflows with like potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:14   even recursion within them and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4574">TS</a>]

01:16:15   he's a developer we actually Federico [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:18   and I in a happy way had this fight like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20   i don't know to two months ago where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:21   said don't dude you are developer at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   this point like don't even try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   pretend you're not in and he didn't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:27   to hear it not in a jerky way he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4587">TS</a>]

01:16:28   like oh I'm not a developer I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:30   how to do the stuff you guys do like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:31   you're doing it it's not even a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:33   it's already happening in the same way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4593">TS</a>]

01:16:36   like that our friend dr. Drang is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   know like dr. drying post on leading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   crew calm and like he's not a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   by trade but he writes tons of scripts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:46   most of which are in Python to do all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:48   sorts of things for his work and so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4608">TS</a>]

01:16:51   he wildly while he probably does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   consider himself a programmer he uses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:56   programming he knows a programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   language and he uses it to get tasks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   done for his work and there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:03   room for that type of person you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:06   just like look I mean like Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:07   Office has has forever had its macro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:10   language right it's that's the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:11   thing that's just visual basic like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   the same that that's also programming my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:15   first job was programming vba in a giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:18   Excel spreadsheet for some company to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:19   save that much time like that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:22   lot of what programming in the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:23   would actually is like people doing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:24   little custom or one off things that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:27   programming there's kind of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28   continuum of like power users like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:31   first the first thing you learn as i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32   could power user is you might learn like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:34   a keyboard shortcut for some common [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:36   stuff and ohmygod this is great and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   eventually you might learn some kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   automation of something like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:43   first you kind of figure like how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4663">TS</a>]

01:17:44   do manual work faster right that's at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:46   the keyboard shortcut approach then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4666">TS</a>]

01:17:48   start figuring out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:49   like how do I actually use the computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4669">TS</a>]

01:17:52   immense speed and power to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:55   faster than I could do them manually and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4675">TS</a>]

01:17:57   that's me checking it's like the basic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59   things like batch operations in pro apps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:02   on the mac you'd have things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:04   Automator and on ipad yo things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4684">TS</a>]

01:18:06   workflow and then eventually I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:09   the next epithet is like no you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   actually just writing code if some sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:13   whether it's just a simple stealing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4693">TS</a>]

01:18:15   shell script or a javascript thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4695">TS</a>]

01:18:18   whether it's actually like you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   Ruby or Python like what we'd call it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   real language script or app to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:25   something custom like this is just these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4705">TS</a>]

01:18:27   are all just points on the the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:30   user curve and being a programmer is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:33   like some special boundary that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4713">TS</a>]

01:18:36   to like go to college to know how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4716">TS</a>]

01:18:37   no it's just like it's just the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:39   step on that curve after you've used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4719">TS</a>]

01:18:41   tools like workflow or Automator and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:44   kind of want a little bit more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:45   customization or a little bit more power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47   and then you get into these things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:49   really are programming you just might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4729">TS</a>]

01:18:51   not realize it until after you've been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:52   doing it for a while yeah Mike and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:55   fatigue would both be making hypercard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:58   stacks 30 years ago okay I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   guys don't remember that error but I use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:01   hyper card yep same here there used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4741">TS</a>]

01:19:03   be many more back back before Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4743">TS</a>]

01:19:07   most of the rest of the industry gave up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:08   on the idea of trying to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   programming easy enough for people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:11   didn't want to be into programming there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:12   are many many attempts Apple script is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:14   one of them to try to make programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   more accessible to the masses with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:20   something that is farther along that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4760">TS</a>]

01:19:21   curve that actually is a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   programming language but is this a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25   language that looks friendly or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   and lots of people into hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   stacks and like it's another accidental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:30   programmer thing we're sure people made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:32   hypercar stack so most people it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   easy enough for them to tackle many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:35   people who didn't consider themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:36   programmers were like they weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4776">TS</a>]

01:19:39   intimidated by hypercard and like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4779">TS</a>]

01:19:42   i'll go through these tutorials so i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   make a button new i click the button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:45   into makes a beeping noise like and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   know and for some what you're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:49   make a button on a mac of that era was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:51   much harder if you were using the mac [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:54   toolbox and it wasn't hypercard and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4794">TS</a>]

01:19:55   they could be successful pretty quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:57   and for the people who had the who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4797">TS</a>]

01:20:00   into that who like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4800">TS</a>]

01:20:02   they never thought of themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4802">TS</a>]

01:20:03   programmers but it turns out if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:05   introduce them to it fast forward three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:07   months and they're writing this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:08   incredibly complicated hypercard stack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4808">TS</a>]

01:20:09   using hyper talk like a real programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:11   and they have suddenly found themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:13   as not everybody who does it's not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4813">TS</a>]

01:20:15   it turns people into programs it reveals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   programmers that were always there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   and they just you know what happens with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   someone who is who's like just naturally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   wants to do this they start off with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:25   beeping button and you just you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4825">TS</a>]

01:20:27   step away for like a couple weeks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4827">TS</a>]

01:20:29   you come back as like what have you done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   and like they have made this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:32   world for themselves and they have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4832">TS</a>]

01:20:34   formal education they don't know what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:35   subject team is they don't know any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:37   theory about data structures are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4837">TS</a>]

01:20:38   they're like deriving from first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:40   principles the basics of programming and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   hyper talk and you know doing incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:45   I saw it all the time doing incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:46   things and it's like someone who runs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   the general store makes a hyper card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:49   stack to do their inventory and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4849">TS</a>]

01:20:51   like you may not know it but you are now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:53   a programmer and this is the thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55   could have done as a profession even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   though you have no formal education in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   it and really still don't quite know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   what you're doing in the formal sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:01   but you are you are rediscovering the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:04   rudiments of program with no instruction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:06   from anywhere else really by having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   box in front of you and knowing some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   basic things and that is that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:11   beautiful thing to see and I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:13   hearing stories of like places that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4873">TS</a>]

01:21:15   still running hypercard stacks and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:16   their mac Aziz just because like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:19   run their entire business on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:20   somebody wrote it years ago I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   that's not like this is more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   heartwarming because I know it it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:24   quite as heart wrong people still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:25   burning their payroll and COBOL or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:27   whatever but I think why do kids took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   care of a lot of those but but either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   way like that for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:32   listening who think they will never be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4892">TS</a>]

01:21:34   programmers it that's possible you may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4894">TS</a>]

01:21:37   never be it but it's like it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   there's a reason people caught like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:40   permit roaring bug like you get bitten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   by it and you just find this happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:44   all of us here on this podcast I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:45   and everyone else into computers at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:47   point you get exposed to something and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:49   it just you know it sinks its teeth into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:53   you and you lose track of time you lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4913">TS</a>]

01:21:55   track of the years and you realize this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   is just the whole world that you bury [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   yourself into some people are exposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:01   the exact same thing or like yeah not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4921">TS</a>]

01:22:03   for me right but the distinction would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:06   you tell most people has nothing to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4926">TS</a>]

01:22:07   with education or even desire it is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   like how their brains work if is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:11   programming addicting to you you will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:14   know that pretty quickly and you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:15   something like petite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4935">TS</a>]

01:22:16   guess what programming is addicted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:18   him like you would not be doing these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4938">TS</a>]

01:22:20   things if he it like it he's bitten so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:22   hard but it's like the he's mad with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4942">TS</a>]

01:22:25   power of being able to tell the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:27   to do what he wants it to do in a series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4947">TS</a>]

01:22:29   of sophisticated ways breaking down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4949">TS</a>]

01:22:31   problem into smaller pieces Rican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   binding them right he's bitten by it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:34   hard just because he's not writing C [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4954">TS</a>]

01:22:37   doesn't mean that he is not a bitten by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4957">TS</a>]

01:22:39   the pura buggin be become a programmer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   and I feel like that's the whole beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:44   of computers is like when you when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4964">TS</a>]

01:22:46   break that barrier between like when I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4966">TS</a>]

01:22:48   was saying on my curve about like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   you're just doing manual things faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   versus when you have the computer start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:54   working for you and way faster than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:57   ever could manually the whole beauty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   computers is the ability to cross that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   line the ability to do that like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:04   Slyke this the famous Steve Jobs quote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:05   about the computer is a bicycle for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   mind like it's not because you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10   you all the shortcut keys to do things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   repetitively over and over again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   because you could just like put in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:16   just the right kind of input and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   computer can just skyrocket past you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:21   executing that code way way way faster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:24   and more reliable and more consistently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:25   than you ever could or doing things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:27   you could never do in a practical amount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:29   of time like and it's just like one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5009">TS</a>]

01:23:33   the reasons why I get frustrated when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   things like you know iOS move or start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:40   and directions where things really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5020">TS</a>]

01:23:41   locked down and it's hard to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:42   kind of stuff it's because I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5022">TS</a>]

01:23:44   that's kind of missing or kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5024">TS</a>]

01:23:47   blowing the whole advantage that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:50   computers have given us as a society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   like the whole point of computers is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:56   enable humans to do think to to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5036">TS</a>]

01:24:00   these kind of you know information based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:02   tasks done in in ways and at speeds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5042">TS</a>]

01:24:07   volumes that we could never do on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09   own like through manual calculations or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:12   anything else and for any computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:15   platform to be truly empowering to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:17   users it has to allow that in some way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   and hopefully in a reasonably easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:23   capable way and efforts to do that on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5063">TS</a>]

01:24:27   iOS are really really held back by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:30   just limitations of iOS and things like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:32   workflow and python is starlike they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:35   these things have existed and do exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:37   and are good for people but there's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:41   much further to go to make them even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:44   just match the level of power and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5084">TS</a>]

01:24:48   sophistication that regular people can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50   achieve on you know windows or a Mac let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53   alone like on you know future things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   that we might think of even better ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:57   to do things and so that that's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5097">TS</a>]

01:24:59   like it kind of hurts me philosophically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:03   whenever it appears the computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:05   platform is going in the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:06   direction and what most Lee's people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:09   doing by the way like in the continuum [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:11   is that that you can use tools made by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:13   other people which is what the app store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:14   is great like gives regular people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16   access to tools other people have made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:18   for doing common test hey so you've you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:20   know you're taking the inventory of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5120">TS</a>]

01:25:22   the books that are on your shelves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:23   there's an app that you can just point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:24   your phone at it and but look up the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   know someone it's over like it's a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:27   to do a job better right the the next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5127">TS</a>]

01:25:30   step along that is I don't see any tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5130">TS</a>]

01:25:32   that does the thing that I wanted to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:33   I'm going to make my own tool so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:35   not just that they're automating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:36   repetitive tasks but that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5136">TS</a>]

01:25:37   building a tool for them to do whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:39   real-world tests they're doing whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   it's managing their business or doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   their hobby keeping track of their model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:44   trains or controlling their model trains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   or whatever like they don't see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   thing that they want in the world and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:49   they realize they can make this thing do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5149">TS</a>]

01:25:52   what they wanted to do it so they build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:53   tool for themselves and it doesn't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:56   they have to suddenly become an app [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:57   developer and sell that thing or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5157">TS</a>]

01:25:58   whatever it's just like the people use a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5158">TS</a>]

01:25:59   FileMaker database to manage their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:01   know retail store or something where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5161">TS</a>]

01:26:03   they sale cameras they don't consider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:05   that they're making a tool to do to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07   accomplish some other task that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:09   another point in the line using other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5169">TS</a>]

01:26:10   people's tools versus saying God no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:13   else makes this tool or the tools they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:14   make aren't to my liking and I can make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16   my own tool to do it fatigue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:17   essentially making his own tools for his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5177">TS</a>]

01:26:19   work flow because there's no existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   thing that integrates all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:22   pieces the way he wants them to do and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:24   he has specific needs about it so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5184">TS</a>]

01:26:26   know it's not you know in some cases he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   is automating something you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:29   manual but other cases like he's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:31   not a plication development but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:32   it's tool building and we all do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:34   smart little monkeys that use a stick to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:36   you know hit something instead of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:38   hands because the stick is better right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   you know it's all you know a bicycle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:43   the mind has more poetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:44   then a wooden stick a monkey with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:47   stick yeah or that you know the muggy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5207">TS</a>]

01:26:50   with the bone from 2001 but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51   basically a lot of boils down to and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:53   taking away the ability to or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5213">TS</a>]

01:26:57   not taking it away but making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5217">TS</a>]

01:26:59   barrier to making your old tools mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   like either you get to use tools other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:03   people made giant giant gap Xcode that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5223">TS</a>]

01:27:07   gap is too big yeah it's too big for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:10   most people to cross and there it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:12   know the apps like workflow show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5232">TS</a>]

01:27:13   there is a Raeven Automator or simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5233">TS</a>]

01:27:16   scripting languages or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:17   that or poor HyperCard all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5237">TS</a>]

01:27:19   even though most of the experiments [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5239">TS</a>]

01:27:21   failed in what they thought the goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5241">TS</a>]

01:27:22   would be like everyone's going to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:24   programmer nope that's not going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5244">TS</a>]

01:27:25   happen right but you do need something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   on that middle tier for the people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:29   are never going to graduate all apps to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5249">TS</a>]

01:27:30   being a full-fledged programmer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   using Xcode but they don't need to they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:34   just need something in the middle that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:35   can you know they can let them make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:39   tools to make their life better even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:41   though their goal in life is not to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:43   an application developer and there never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:44   need to make something as code and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   submit to the App Store so Apple and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:49   education bringing back a slight slight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5269">TS</a>]

01:27:52   sidetrack yeah after that that 45 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:55   minutes I track Oh was that the topic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5275">TS</a>]

01:27:57   believe it or not because then we got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5277">TS</a>]

01:28:00   just saying how people with ipads irri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5280">TS</a>]

01:28:02   mad at us and we just got buried bag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5282">TS</a>]

01:28:03   iPads again it's right there all secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:05   programmers all right that's right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5285">TS</a>]

01:28:07   anyway so Apple and education now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:08   there's new york times article that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5288">TS</a>]

01:28:09   that while the headline is apples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5289">TS</a>]

01:28:12   devices lose luster in American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5292">TS</a>]

01:28:14   classrooms and I didn't get a chance to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:16   read the article but my understanding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5296">TS</a>]

01:28:17   basically that there are fewer devices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:20   being shipped to schools for from Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:23   it seems like Microsoft is slightly on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:25   the up in Google thanks to Chromebooks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5305">TS</a>]

01:28:28   are is way on the up which is great I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:32   guess for Google and kind of a bummer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:34   for Apple since this used to be their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   stronghold I mean I think I can speak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:37   for Marco and saying my only exposure to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5317">TS</a>]

01:28:39   a Mac or to an apple too was at school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5319">TS</a>]

01:28:41   like I didn't have any friends that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:42   one it was always at school that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5322">TS</a>]

01:28:45   exposed to it and that seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5325">TS</a>]

01:28:47   changing how it seems to be all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5327">TS</a>]

01:28:48   Chromebooks but well I don't know my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5328">TS</a>]

01:28:52   experience was slightly different in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5332">TS</a>]

01:28:53   that my first exposure to Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   computers was indeed at school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:58   it was to the Apple too in the early 90s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5338">TS</a>]

01:29:01   the heyday of the Apple too yeah my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:04   school was so poor that the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5344">TS</a>]

01:29:05   computers they could they had were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:07   ancient hand-me-down Apple tues most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5347">TS</a>]

01:29:10   which were not even like you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5350">TS</a>]

01:29:12   the later models they were like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5352">TS</a>]

01:29:13   the old like you know green and black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:15   want like you know before color and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5355">TS</a>]

01:29:17   things like memory uh they were it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5357">TS</a>]

01:29:21   it was a pretty pretty basic but I love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5361">TS</a>]

01:29:24   them because they were the only computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:25   had ever used up to that point they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5365">TS</a>]

01:29:26   amazing even in like nineteen ninety-two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5366">TS</a>]

01:29:29   whenever that was but and then after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5369">TS</a>]

01:29:32   that like wow I a few years later I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5372">TS</a>]

01:29:35   to a different school and they had just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:37   pcs because at that point that was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5377">TS</a>]

01:29:39   that was like 93 ish a 94 and by that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5379">TS</a>]

01:29:43   point like you know max I think we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5383">TS</a>]

01:29:45   too expensive for most schools at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5385">TS</a>]

01:29:46   point and I think like most schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:49   there was like we had like there was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   Mac in one of the computer labs that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:54   weren't allowed to use unless you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56   in some kind of like graphic design [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:57   class that like they they could use it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5397">TS</a>]

01:29:59   but otherwise it was all pcs for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   same reason that we're part about to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:02   talk about which is cost because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5402">TS</a>]

01:30:04   you're in schools cost is a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:06   really big factor so that I mean this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:10   article the news in this article on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5410">TS</a>]

01:30:13   graphs in this article it's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   surprise to Apple Apple knows all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:17   things Apple knows how much it's selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:19   apple knows how much is competitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5419">TS</a>]

01:30:20   selling and the graph they show is only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:24   it's not a long span but they show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5424">TS</a>]

01:30:25   basically because Google comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:27   nowhere basically like zero market share [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5427">TS</a>]

01:30:29   some time in two thousand ten or eleven [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5429">TS</a>]

01:30:30   and flies past both Apple and Microsoft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:34   or more or less flat flies past them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:37   around 2014 and now is at like four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:41   times their sales volume in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5441">TS</a>]

01:30:42   units right so that's in a very short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:45   period of time Google comes out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5445">TS</a>]

01:30:47   nowhere and becomes the dominant player [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5447">TS</a>]

01:30:48   in the market and the fact that Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:51   knows that this happened because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:52   keep track of their own stuff but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5452">TS</a>]

01:30:54   seemingly has not had a strong response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:58   to it I know we talked about the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:01   market mostly on this program but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03   imagine we were you know instead we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:07   very interested in the education market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5467">TS</a>]

01:31:08   we would be complaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   that Apple has faced the strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:13   competitor in the form of Google for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5473">TS</a>]

01:31:16   many years now and it's reaction to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5476">TS</a>]

01:31:18   has been half-hearted features to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5478">TS</a>]

01:31:21   more than one person use an iPad at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5481">TS</a>]

01:31:24   same time by logging in and out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:25   storing crap on iCloud and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5485">TS</a>]

01:31:27   improvement and stuff and a bunch of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:30   different shapes and sizes of iPads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:31   which all seem like they're good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5491">TS</a>]

01:31:34   fine kind of like their efforts to add [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5494">TS</a>]

01:31:36   like multitasking stuff the iPad in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5496">TS</a>]

01:31:37   different realm but if you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:41   you know has this made them competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:45   again in the education market or schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5505">TS</a>]

01:31:47   to kick in the bot answer Google still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5507">TS</a>]

01:31:49   kicking about if you measure things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:50   terms of unit sales maybe apple doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5510">TS</a>]

01:31:52   measure that maybe I don't care what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:53   hell the unit sales are we're making all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:54   the money we make all the profit that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5514">TS</a>]

01:31:57   I guess a reasonable place to be in but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   when it comes to education I have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:00   think that you shouldn't really view it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5520">TS</a>]

01:32:02   as a profit Center not that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:04   shouldn't make money on it but like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5524">TS</a>]

01:32:06   one of the most important things Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:08   is getting additive is just what Marco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5528">TS</a>]

01:32:09   talked about in case talked about in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:11   too like we saw Apple computers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5531">TS</a>]

01:32:14   school and it doesn't mean that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:15   going to grow up to only use Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5535">TS</a>]

01:32:16   computers but it sure as hell doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   hurt being familiar with them getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:21   comfortable with them conceptualising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:24   computers in terms of what is presented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5544">TS</a>]

01:32:26   to you like this is what a computer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5546">TS</a>]

01:32:28   so you know these multiple generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5548">TS</a>]

01:32:31   of students who are growing up using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5551">TS</a>]

01:32:33   google docs in school and using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   Chromebooks maybe they're conceptualized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:38   Chromebooks as the equivalent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5558">TS</a>]

01:32:39   crappy Apple tues that are crappy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5559">TS</a>]

01:32:41   computers they would never buy for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:42   themselves that are pieces a junk that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5562">TS</a>]

01:32:43   are managed by the school and they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5563">TS</a>]

01:32:45   to use her schoolwork but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5565">TS</a>]

01:32:47   becoming familiar with Google Docs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5567">TS</a>]

01:32:48   they are associating Google with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5568">TS</a>]

01:32:50   computing in a way that there used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:53   associating apple with computing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5573">TS</a>]

01:32:55   know so there are pluses and minuses to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5575">TS</a>]

01:32:56   being stigmatized as the computer I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:57   to use in school but I think if Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5577">TS</a>]

01:33:02   again if Apple cares about the education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:03   market at all it should not be happy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5583">TS</a>]

01:33:06   have its unit sales be flat over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:09   course the same course of time where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5589">TS</a>]

01:33:11   competitor comes from zero to squash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:13   them by factor of four like I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5593">TS</a>]

01:33:15   think that's a good position to be in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5595">TS</a>]

01:33:17   the market now maybe apple doesn't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5597">TS</a>]

01:33:19   and they're willing to just let that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5599">TS</a>]

01:33:21   ride but how many markets are we going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5601">TS</a>]

01:33:22   to look at and say Apple doesn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5602">TS</a>]

01:33:24   care that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5604">TS</a>]

01:33:25   not a big deal like what does Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5605">TS</a>]

01:33:26   really care but it's is just phones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5606">TS</a>]

01:33:27   because even in the phone market they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5607">TS</a>]

01:33:29   still making all the money and sell lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:32   of phones I think doing a great job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5612">TS</a>]

01:33:34   their phone hardware but they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:36   getting a butt-kicking unit sales there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5616">TS</a>]

01:33:37   you know by an increasing percentage by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5617">TS</a>]

01:33:40   this larger more open platform so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:42   don't know what to think Apple stock is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5622">TS</a>]

01:33:44   way up the iphone is awesome everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5624">TS</a>]

01:33:46   loves it I love it but when I look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5626">TS</a>]

01:33:48   education of the program are kits maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5628">TS</a>]

01:33:50   it's just a salad for the Apple that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5630">TS</a>]

01:33:51   used to be but boy things are sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:53   changed I feel like both education and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5633">TS</a>]

01:33:57   the pro markets are places that you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5637">TS</a>]

01:34:00   when you when you don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5640">TS</a>]

01:34:02   consumer market they're kind of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5642">TS</a>]

01:34:03   these nice like holdouts that if you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5643">TS</a>]

01:34:06   if you can get market share their you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5646">TS</a>]

01:34:08   can have a reasonably sustainable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   business even if you you have lost or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:13   you never even gain ground in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5653">TS</a>]

01:34:15   consumer market and so when Apple was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:18   doing poorly in like the 90s and stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5658">TS</a>]

01:34:20   they were they retreated to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:22   markets because with the education you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5662">TS</a>]

01:34:24   know and pros just like there's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5664">TS</a>]

01:34:26   there's special needs and you can deploy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5666">TS</a>]

01:34:29   a sales force tactically to like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:33   need a you know a relatively small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   number of very big sales to succeed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:38   these markets and that's not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5678">TS</a>]

01:34:40   easy to get but that's easier than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5680">TS</a>]

01:34:42   convincing the entire consumer shopping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5682">TS</a>]

01:34:45   public to buy your stuff if they aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5685">TS</a>]

01:34:47   already interested in it you know and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5687">TS</a>]

01:34:49   you know Apple I feel like Apple went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:52   these markets not because they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5692">TS</a>]

01:34:55   they were especially important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   necessarily for things like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5697">TS</a>]

01:34:58   your kids are going to use it what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5698">TS</a>]

01:35:00   are familiar with but because they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:02   the only ones willing to buy apple stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5702">TS</a>]

01:35:04   for a long time and now that that's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5704">TS</a>]

01:35:06   longer the case Apple is seemingly being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:10   more managed by numbers these days which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5710">TS</a>]

01:35:12   is unfortunate if that's true but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15   is for how it looks and these days it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:18   you know because they are popular with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5718">TS</a>]

01:35:21   consumers by so much that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5721">TS</a>]

01:35:25   can kind of afford to throw away less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5725">TS</a>]

01:35:27   profitable market segments that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5727">TS</a>]

01:35:30   basically what they appear to be doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5730">TS</a>]

01:35:31   regardless of whatever Tim Cook's vague [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5731">TS</a>]

01:35:33   statement of the week is about how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5733">TS</a>]

01:35:35   they still care about us the reality is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5735">TS</a>]

01:35:37   that school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:38   rules are especially these days pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5738">TS</a>]

01:35:41   hard to make money i mean again like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5741">TS</a>]

01:35:42   apples heyday in schools back like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5742">TS</a>]

01:35:45   like the late 90s and stuff that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   also at a time or you know early min-soo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   that was also a time when technology was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:52   new and novel and schools were getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5752">TS</a>]

01:35:55   all sorts of these funding grants for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5755">TS</a>]

01:35:58   going and getting computers you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5758">TS</a>]

01:36:00   granted not every school but there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5760">TS</a>]

01:36:02   lot of like other people's money being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:04   poured into like we need to get our kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5764">TS</a>]

01:36:06   and technology and it was i feel like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5766">TS</a>]

01:36:08   was probably easier to sell into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5768">TS</a>]

01:36:10   environment than it is now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5770">TS</a>]

01:36:12   computers are no longer new and cool now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5772">TS</a>]

01:36:14   it's just a budget item and now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:16   down to okay we really need things to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5776">TS</a>]

01:36:18   cheap and whatever's cheapest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:19   easiest for us to manage and and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5779">TS</a>]

01:36:22   cheapest that's what we're going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5782">TS</a>]

01:36:24   with and so i basically i feel like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5784">TS</a>]

01:36:28   conditions are very different now that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5788">TS</a>]

01:36:30   both Apple needs education and prose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5790">TS</a>]

01:36:34   less than they used to and also in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5794">TS</a>]

01:36:37   case of the education market the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:39   education market at market I think now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5799">TS</a>]

01:36:40   is significantly more price driven it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:43   specifically with regard to computers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:45   than it was 20 years ago you know back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5805">TS</a>]

01:36:48   when went these things were new and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5808">TS</a>]

01:36:50   were always great money coming in i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5810">TS</a>]

01:36:51   think it was always it was always tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5811">TS</a>]

01:36:53   for schools i don't think it's that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5813">TS</a>]

01:36:54   of a difference like I I would probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:57   agree that schools or not as well funded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5817">TS</a>]

01:36:58   as they used to be but I would disagree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5818">TS</a>]

01:37:01   that price consciousness is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5821">TS</a>]

01:37:03   phenomenon when it comes to computers in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5823">TS</a>]

01:37:05   schools well and again that was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5825">TS</a>]

01:37:07   back back in the 90s to I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:09   the the difference in price was not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5829">TS</a>]

01:37:11   big like you know these days I'm these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:13   you're killing me these days like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5833">TS</a>]

01:37:17   difference in price between a Chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   and a macbook pro or any or macbook air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:22   it's like four times like that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5842">TS</a>]

01:37:24   that's a massive multiplier you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5844">TS</a>]

01:37:26   literally get like depending on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5846">TS</a>]

01:37:28   model of mac that you select you can get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5848">TS</a>]

01:37:30   like four to eight Chromebooks for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5850">TS</a>]

01:37:33   same price and it was worse when your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5853">TS</a>]

01:37:36   choice was a Macintosh señor an IBM PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5856">TS</a>]

01:37:39   believe me or a PC PC clone gateway 2000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5859">TS</a>]

01:37:41   or Mac se gateway 2000 or Mac to see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5861">TS</a>]

01:37:44   it was it was worse real it was more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5864">TS</a>]

01:37:48   than like a four to 5x multiplier on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5868">TS</a>]

01:37:50   price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5870">TS</a>]

01:37:51   terrible and the numbers were all bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5871">TS</a>]

01:37:53   right did you remember how much I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5873">TS</a>]

01:37:54   know if you remember how much max used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5874">TS</a>]

01:37:55   to do you remember how much my Macintosh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5875">TS</a>]

01:37:57   chassis cost I wasn't there when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5877">TS</a>]

01:37:59   bought it no but I I but like I'm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5879">TS</a>]

01:38:02   that you like in the 90s a decent pc was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5882">TS</a>]

01:38:04   about 2,000 bucks all right so I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5884">TS</a>]

01:38:07   do the calculation here I don't know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5887">TS</a>]

01:38:10   spent like three or four thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5890">TS</a>]

01:38:12   dollars at least I thought on my beloved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5892">TS</a>]

01:38:14   pentium pro 100 megahertz mean it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5894">TS</a>]

01:38:17   lot of money that's not to say that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5897">TS</a>]

01:38:21   of them were necessarily that much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5901">TS</a>]

01:38:22   cuz that was pretty cutting edge at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5902">TS</a>]

01:38:23   time and you know it was dad that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5903">TS</a>]

01:38:25   buying it for himself and I just never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5905">TS</a>]

01:38:26   let him use it because I'm a jerk but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5906">TS</a>]

01:38:28   that thing was not cheap yeah well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5908">TS</a>]

01:38:31   and you know and schools wouldn't buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5911">TS</a>]

01:38:33   the high-end ones usually you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5913">TS</a>]

01:38:34   school or they did have to be conscious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5914">TS</a>]

01:38:36   of the budget of course but basically my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5916">TS</a>]

01:38:39   theory is basically that like that not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5919">TS</a>]

01:38:42   only was the money a little bit easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5922">TS</a>]

01:38:43   to justify spending computer if I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5923">TS</a>]

01:38:45   they were so new and everyone wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5925">TS</a>]

01:38:47   get their kids computers but also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5927">TS</a>]

01:38:49   you know now the price differences is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5929">TS</a>]

01:38:52   vast between them and I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5932">TS</a>]

01:38:55   was as vast back there it was for max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5935">TS</a>]

01:38:57   was mostly because max were so much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5937">TS</a>]

01:38:58   expensive so the educational discount [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5938">TS</a>]

01:39:00   the college educational discount from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5940">TS</a>]

01:39:02   iMac ac30 which again is not a color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5942">TS</a>]

01:39:04   matte color max were available but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5944">TS</a>]

01:39:06   was not a color matte because a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5946">TS</a>]

01:39:07   monochrome macintosh but was it still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5947">TS</a>]

01:39:10   high-end configuration it was more high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5950">TS</a>]

01:39:13   end than the SEO or the plus which were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5953">TS</a>]

01:39:15   still for sale but still not like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5955">TS</a>]

01:39:17   color which again was a big thing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5957">TS</a>]

01:39:18   schools right which is a reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5958">TS</a>]

01:39:20   would buy a color pc right so 1990 ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5960">TS</a>]

01:39:22   four thousand three hundred dollars in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5962">TS</a>]

01:39:24   nineteen eighty nine dollars or nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5964">TS</a>]

01:39:26   ninety dollars that if we converted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5966">TS</a>]

01:39:29   current dollars that's eight thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5969">TS</a>]

01:39:30   six hundred dollars for a monitor pewter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5970">TS</a>]

01:39:32   no keyboard no keyboard the keyboard was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5972">TS</a>]

01:39:34   189 and nineteen eighty nine dollars you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5974">TS</a>]

01:39:36   had to compare the eight thousand six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5976">TS</a>]

01:39:38   hundred dollars for one monochrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5978">TS</a>]

01:39:40   macintosh like the little you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5980">TS</a>]

01:39:42   little you know I kind of like vertical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5982">TS</a>]

01:39:44   natchitoches thing you could get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5984">TS</a>]

01:39:46   gateway computer for less than two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5986">TS</a>]

01:39:49   thousand dollars in 1989 money the price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5989">TS</a>]

01:39:53   difference was just as big if not bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5993">TS</a>]

01:39:56   especially because schools need it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5996">TS</a>]

01:39:58   have color that's why they all had apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/5998">TS</a>]

01:40:00   two gs is in them because the Appleton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6000">TS</a>]

01:40:01   jess is per color nobody but you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6001">TS</a>]

01:40:03   you just proved my pool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6003">TS</a>]

01:40:05   your your priced multiplier was like 2x [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6005">TS</a>]

01:40:07   and I would also say that that the gate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6007">TS</a>]

01:40:09   would like to get a like a a mid SPECT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6009">TS</a>]

01:40:12   gateway like that gateway is color [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6012">TS</a>]

01:40:14   though with a big color monitor if I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6014">TS</a>]

01:40:15   if I go with like the mac to with a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6015">TS</a>]

01:40:17   color monitor it's not for under two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6017">TS</a>]

01:40:19   thousand dollars in 1990 if that's a mid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6019">TS</a>]

01:40:21   spec machine it's going to be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6021">TS</a>]

01:40:22   over 2,000 so you're basically you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6022">TS</a>]

01:40:24   roughly a 2x multiplier which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6024">TS</a>]

01:40:26   different from a 5x multiplier which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6026">TS</a>]

01:40:29   basically we have today I don't we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6029">TS</a>]

01:40:31   have exactly a 5x multiplier now because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6031">TS</a>]

01:40:33   they get educational discount on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6033">TS</a>]

01:40:34   things and don't buy the top dollar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6034">TS</a>]

01:40:35   macbook so i think that i'm talking like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6035">TS</a>]

01:40:37   250 bucks vs. like 1200 you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6037">TS</a>]

01:40:41   paying 1200 dots for and they're also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6041">TS</a>]

01:40:42   not paying 200 videos for other things I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6042">TS</a>]

01:40:45   call told but anyway if I was go to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6045">TS</a>]

01:40:48   the mac to FX like a high-end computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6048">TS</a>]

01:40:49   that actually had color which against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6049">TS</a>]

01:40:51   schools wanted cause it gets way way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6051">TS</a>]

01:40:52   worse much faster like if you add a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6052">TS</a>]

01:40:54   monitor just adding that the cost of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6054">TS</a>]

01:40:55   monitor to the thing because you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6055">TS</a>]

01:40:56   buying the mac but that doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6056">TS</a>]

01:40:57   with the monitor and it doesn't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6057">TS</a>]

01:40:58   with a keyboard the multiplier was worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6058">TS</a>]

01:41:00   for mac vs pc than it is for chromebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6060">TS</a>]

01:41:02   vs ipad which is the real comparison you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6062">TS</a>]

01:41:04   should be doing that chromebook vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6064">TS</a>]

01:41:05   macbook pro or something no but I well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6065">TS</a>]

01:41:08   think that's the comparison Apple wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6068">TS</a>]

01:41:09   people to do i I think Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6069">TS</a>]

01:41:11   present the iPad as the competitor for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6071">TS</a>]

01:41:14   the Chromebook but in practice I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6074">TS</a>]

01:41:15   think it is I think those are separate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6075">TS</a>]

01:41:16   things it seems like schools have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6076">TS</a>]

01:41:19   pretty substantial need for laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6079">TS</a>]

01:41:22   shaped things well you know whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6082">TS</a>]

01:41:24   form that takes it does seem like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6084">TS</a>]

01:41:26   know obviously they do sell a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6086">TS</a>]

01:41:27   iPads in education but that seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6087">TS</a>]

01:41:30   it's almost a separate thing like it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6090">TS</a>]

01:41:32   think the the laptop form factor is has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6092">TS</a>]

01:41:36   proven to be more popular in recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6096">TS</a>]

01:41:38   years then then tablets and schools and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6098">TS</a>]

01:41:41   in that form factor I mean that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6101">TS</a>]

01:41:44   think that's one of the biggest reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6104">TS</a>]

01:41:45   why the macbook air still exists it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6105">TS</a>]

01:41:47   know if you look at at Apple's average [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6107">TS</a>]

01:41:50   selling price of the Mac it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6110">TS</a>]

01:41:53   the macbook air like by a long shot it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6113">TS</a>]

01:41:56   it seems very obvious that they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6116">TS</a>]

01:41:57   like crate foals of macbook airs like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6117">TS</a>]

01:42:00   biggest ridiculous number of them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6120">TS</a>]

01:42:04   that that really is like I think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6124">TS</a>]

01:42:07   markets who were buying Chromebooks as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6127">TS</a>]

01:42:09   an alternative its alternative to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6129">TS</a>]

01:42:11   MacBook Airs not to iPads most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6131">TS</a>]

01:42:15   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6135">TS</a>]

01:42:16   I'm plugging at the non-education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6136">TS</a>]

01:42:17   discounters of the non education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6137">TS</a>]

01:42:19   discount for the maggots he said it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6139">TS</a>]

01:42:20   four thousand dollars but no hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6140">TS</a>]

01:42:21   no hard drive for the 4500 dollar model [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6141">TS</a>]

01:42:24   wouldn't have liked magneto-optical or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6144">TS</a>]

01:42:28   just fly so so the non educational [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6148">TS</a>]

01:42:30   discount for the good for the good su-30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6150">TS</a>]

01:42:32   that had an 80 megabyte hard drive in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6152">TS</a>]

01:42:34   for megs of ram 6,500 dollars in 1989 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6154">TS</a>]

01:42:37   money wow that's pretty bad that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6157">TS</a>]

01:42:39   that's why that's the one with the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6159">TS</a>]

01:42:41   amount of RAM and the big hard drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6161">TS</a>]

01:42:42   let's see what that one is thirteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6162">TS</a>]

01:42:45   thousand dollars alright so now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6165">TS</a>]

01:42:46   getting into the modern Ulta for still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6166">TS</a>]

01:42:48   still no keyboard still no keyboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6168">TS</a>]

01:42:50   right that's next two hundred bucks yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6170">TS</a>]

01:42:53   how much was a civic in 89 or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6173">TS</a>]

01:42:57   year we're talking about here I gotta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6177">TS</a>]

01:42:59   think it was a less that are around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6179">TS</a>]

01:43:01   13,000 or less than that yep they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6181">TS</a>]

01:43:02   they were trying it seems like it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6182">TS</a>]

01:43:04   be ridiculously it's only ridiculously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6184">TS</a>]

01:43:07   expensive when you convert for old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6187">TS</a>]

01:43:08   people it's only directions when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6188">TS</a>]

01:43:09   convert to today's dollars because back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6189">TS</a>]

01:43:12   then like you know it was the old adage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6192">TS</a>]

01:43:13   from like whatever there wasn't a PC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6193">TS</a>]

01:43:16   Magazine the computer he was always five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6196">TS</a>]

01:43:17   thousand dollars and that remained true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6197">TS</a>]

01:43:19   but that remained true as the decades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6199">TS</a>]

01:43:21   passed and like you know inflation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6201">TS</a>]

01:43:23   happened right so it was always five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6203">TS</a>]

01:43:24   that in 1981 that the computer you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6204">TS</a>]

01:43:26   wanted was five thousand dollars and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6206">TS</a>]

01:43:27   2010 the computer maybe if your computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6207">TS</a>]

01:43:30   that you wanted was five thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6210">TS</a>]

01:43:31   dollars but that five thousand dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6211">TS</a>]

01:43:33   was worth a lot a lot more in 1981 that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6213">TS</a>]

01:43:36   it wasn't 2010 right so it was a car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6216">TS</a>]

01:43:39   yeah but anyway max were astronomically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6219">TS</a>]

01:43:43   expensive I was always amazed when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6223">TS</a>]

01:43:45   them in schools it's because apple gave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6225">TS</a>]

01:43:46   deep discounts and you know so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6226">TS</a>]

01:43:48   forty three hundred dollars for it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6228">TS</a>]

01:43:49   mine had a hard drive the 4300 dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6229">TS</a>]

01:43:51   for the good as he 30 was an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6231">TS</a>]

01:43:53   bargain but nevertheless a tremendous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6233">TS</a>]

01:43:56   cost and and I and my kids schools these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6236">TS</a>]

01:43:58   days I see a surprising amount of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6238">TS</a>]

01:44:01   desktop max still like their old imax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6241">TS</a>]

01:44:03   right and then you see carts full of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6243">TS</a>]

01:44:05   laptop which are like ice books right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6245">TS</a>]

01:44:06   because that's around the area when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6246">TS</a>]

01:44:08   bought these things the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6248">TS</a>]

01:44:10   everything you said about apples like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6250">TS</a>]

01:44:12   when you have to consumer market who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6252">TS</a>]

01:44:13   cares about these things that's all true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6253">TS</a>]

01:44:14   except the Apple Apple image of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6254">TS</a>]

01:44:17   themselves and the image of themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6257">TS</a>]

01:44:18   they project to the world still seems to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6258">TS</a>]

01:44:21   include a lot of stuff having to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6261">TS</a>]

01:44:22   education that's what they lean on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6262">TS</a>]

01:44:24   much but I think they like the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6264">TS</a>]

01:44:26   showing students using these devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6266">TS</a>]

01:44:28   a lot of even a lot of their advertising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6268">TS</a>]

01:44:30   for their modern hardware granted there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6270">TS</a>]

01:44:31   may be picture like college students or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6271">TS</a>]

01:44:32   whatever but I think the company always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6272">TS</a>]

01:44:35   presents the use of its products in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6275">TS</a>]

01:44:37   education as something that they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6277">TS</a>]

01:44:39   proud of and that that could just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6279">TS</a>]

01:44:41   marketing though you know like like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6281">TS</a>]

01:44:43   mean they're also very proud of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6283">TS</a>]

01:44:44   who can draw on an iPad and skin call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6284">TS</a>]

01:44:46   that a creative pro but that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6286">TS</a>]

01:44:48   doesn't mean that they actually have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6288">TS</a>]

01:44:49   interested in addressing more of the pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6289">TS</a>]

01:44:51   market but it means that they're not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6291">TS</a>]

01:44:54   brought a says to me is they have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6294">TS</a>]

01:44:55   given up or are not abandoning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6295">TS</a>]

01:44:57   market they're just not competing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6297">TS</a>]

01:45:00   well in it and maybe that's okay maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6300">TS</a>]

01:45:02   you just have a reasonable participation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6302">TS</a>]

01:45:05   and don't really worry that like some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6305">TS</a>]

01:45:06   cheap vendor is coming in and and swamp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6306">TS</a>]

01:45:08   new in unit sales because you're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6308">TS</a>]

01:45:10   player in the market like you're solidly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6310">TS</a>]

01:45:12   second or third place among three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6312">TS</a>]

01:45:14   players even though someone else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6314">TS</a>]

01:45:16   selling for X as many things as you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6316">TS</a>]

01:45:17   into the market so maybe that's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6317">TS</a>]

01:45:19   the time with them maybe they feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6319">TS</a>]

01:45:21   they have the high end of the market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6321">TS</a>]

01:45:22   they're getting all the profits yada [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6322">TS</a>]

01:45:23   yada yada but i don't it doesn't seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6323">TS</a>]

01:45:25   like they're abandoning it whereas i see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6325">TS</a>]

01:45:27   fewer and fewer instances where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6327">TS</a>]

01:45:29   showing somebody doing pro work on pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6329">TS</a>]

01:45:32   hardware because you know what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6332">TS</a>]

01:45:35   they even show them doing i guess i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6335">TS</a>]

01:45:36   show them using final cut and well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6336">TS</a>]

01:45:39   have them shown that they show them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6339">TS</a>]

01:45:40   using final cut with a touch bar macbook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6340">TS</a>]

01:45:42   pro with these two giant LG monitors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6342">TS</a>]

01:45:44   behind that they didn't do that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6344">TS</a>]

01:45:46   I mean like even this far you know a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6346">TS</a>]

01:45:49   recent history the trash can that their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6349">TS</a>]

01:45:51   big demo wwc was to have people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6351">TS</a>]

01:45:54   Pixar using the trash can to do you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6354">TS</a>]

01:45:56   heavyweight stuff that basically like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6356">TS</a>]

01:45:58   other computers can't handle this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6358">TS</a>]

01:46:00   because it's just too much too much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6360">TS</a>]

01:46:01   memory it's too much cpu that was a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6361">TS</a>]

01:46:03   time look at how this fancy new computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6363">TS</a>]

01:46:05   handles this that you know that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6365">TS</a>]

01:46:08   was their demo of like this is pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6368">TS</a>]

01:46:10   hardware for pros yada yada and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6370">TS</a>]

01:46:12   haven't seen a demo like that since i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6372">TS</a>]

01:46:14   haven't seen an ad like that since from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6374">TS</a>]

01:46:15   Apple you're right it's been more about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6375">TS</a>]

01:46:16   like look this amazing laptop you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6376">TS</a>]

01:46:18   edit 4k video on this laptop isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6378">TS</a>]

01:46:20   great that's great and all but if your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6380">TS</a>]

01:46:22   laptop is never going to leave your desk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6382">TS</a>]

01:46:23   like is that the best choice for your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6383">TS</a>]

01:46:24   editing Bay or whatever like a laptop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6384">TS</a>]

01:46:26   maybe maybe it is maybe that's apples in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6386">TS</a>]

01:46:28   the computer but it's that it's a far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6388">TS</a>]

01:46:30   cry from look let's sling around multi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6390">TS</a>]

01:46:33   gigabyte textures and paint on these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6393">TS</a>]

01:46:34   models in real time you know but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6394">TS</a>]

01:46:37   pics are employees doing that demo w say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6397">TS</a>]

01:46:39   so I think my main skepticism here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6399">TS</a>]

01:46:41   like I don't think there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6401">TS</a>]

01:46:43   the strong correlation anymore between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6403">TS</a>]

01:46:45   the way Apple presents itself and its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6405">TS</a>]

01:46:48   products in the marketing events and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6408">TS</a>]

01:46:50   videos and commercials and what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6410">TS</a>]

01:46:52   actually make like it I agree with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6412">TS</a>]

01:46:54   that they do present themselves as being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6414">TS</a>]

01:46:56   you know as really being you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6416">TS</a>]

01:46:59   prioritizing education and and creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6419">TS</a>]

01:47:02   people and things that it makes it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6422">TS</a>]

01:47:04   great video makes for very commercial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6424">TS</a>]

01:47:06   makes for great statements and I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6426">TS</a>]

01:47:07   that a lot of these I could actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6427">TS</a>]

01:47:08   believe that themselves is sincerely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6428">TS</a>]

01:47:10   believe that but i think the actions and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6430">TS</a>]

01:47:12   the results of the company say otherwise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6432">TS</a>]

01:47:13   they really do say that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6433">TS</a>]

01:47:16   they are totally fine pricing themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6436">TS</a>]

01:47:19   out of education to a large degree and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6439">TS</a>]

01:47:21   ignoring actual pro demands when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6441">TS</a>]

01:47:26   don't line up with what Apple wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6446">TS</a>]

01:47:27   do for the consumer market it's what do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6447">TS</a>]

01:47:29   you bring up the trashcan Mac because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6449">TS</a>]

01:47:31   just today one appeared at my desk not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6451">TS</a>]

01:47:36   for me to use but just to share and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6456">TS</a>]

01:47:39   turned out we had just bought it just in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6459">TS</a>]

01:47:41   the last week or two because we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6461">TS</a>]

01:47:43   we have a guy on staff who's a video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6463">TS</a>]

01:47:46   editor and apparently the dual GPUs were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6466">TS</a>]

01:47:50   enough to sway the IT folks to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6470">TS</a>]

01:47:53   trashcan rather than just an imac 5k did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6473">TS</a>]

01:47:56   they do any research on when the new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6476">TS</a>]

01:47:58   iPhone comes out be sure be sure to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6478">TS</a>]

01:48:00   them your your geekbench score on your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6480">TS</a>]

01:48:02   new iphone 8 is is higher in single core [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6482">TS</a>]

01:48:04   than I know I wasn't involved in any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6484">TS</a>]

01:48:08   this you know I they just showed up all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6488">TS</a>]

01:48:10   of a sudden but I thought you two would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6490">TS</a>]

01:48:11   be amused we bought we bought a trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6491">TS</a>]

01:48:14   can within the last week or two that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6494">TS</a>]

01:48:16   so sad sorry oh I can't I can't take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6496">TS</a>]

01:48:20   anymore just please Apple please fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6500">TS</a>]

01:48:23   this I mean the last thing that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6503">TS</a>]

01:48:26   in the entire freaking world is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6506">TS</a>]

01:48:29   mac pro because I I might as well just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6509">TS</a>]

01:48:31   retire from the show for like a month no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6511">TS</a>]

01:48:33   because that's gonna be nonstop if they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6513">TS</a>]

01:48:35   keep not making one we're gonna keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6515">TS</a>]

01:48:36   talking about it if they release a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6516">TS</a>]

01:48:38   one then we'll talk about it for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6518">TS</a>]

01:48:40   two weeks and then you want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6520">TS</a>]

01:48:42   about it for like a year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6522">TS</a>]

01:48:43   until we start worrying that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6523">TS</a>]

01:48:44   never gonna make another one again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6524">TS</a>]

01:48:45   exactly which will be about four weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6525">TS</a>]

01:48:48   but know what I was going to say was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6528">TS</a>]

01:48:51   i did i do not want to talk about it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6531">TS</a>]

01:48:54   another you know four weeks if they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6534">TS</a>]

01:48:56   finally announce one or god forbid they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6536">TS</a>]

01:48:58   announce one that is called a mac pro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6538">TS</a>]

01:49:02   but is in reality just a imac 5k + + the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6542">TS</a>]

01:49:06   last thing I want is for that to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6546">TS</a>]

01:49:07   so I have to hear you to you know go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6547">TS</a>]

01:49:10   and on and about it forever but even I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6550">TS</a>]

01:49:12   am at the point that I might come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6552">TS</a>]

01:49:14   Apple really really this is still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6554">TS</a>]

01:49:17   thing come on you're better than this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6557">TS</a>]

01:49:19   thanks for three sponsors this week away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6559">TS</a>]

01:49:23   Squarespace and Pingdom we will see you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6563">TS</a>]

01:49:25   next week now the show is over they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6565">TS</a>]

01:49:31   didn't even mean to begin cuz it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6571">TS</a>]

01:49:34   accidental oh it was accidental John did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6574">TS</a>]

01:49:40   Tony research Marco and Casey wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6580">TS</a>]

01:49:44   cuz it was accidentally it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6584">TS</a>]

01:49:48   accidental but you can find the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6588">TS</a>]

01:49:52   notes at ATP FM and if for into twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6592">TS</a>]

01:49:57   you can follow them at cas eyl ISS so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6597">TS</a>]

01:50:04   that's Casey Liz ma our CEO a RM can t [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6604">TS</a>]

01:50:09   marco arment SI are they see us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6609">TS</a>]

01:50:14   syracuse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6614">TS</a>]

01:50:22   you know I was speaking of another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6622">TS</a>]

01:50:30   yardstick to seeing how into education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6630">TS</a>]

01:50:33   Apple is not that I'm saying this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6633">TS</a>]

01:50:34   best idea in the world but a thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6634">TS</a>]

01:50:36   used to do is these to make special [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6636">TS</a>]

01:50:38   computers for education you back there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6638">TS</a>]

01:50:41   were aspect they were designed and SPECT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6641">TS</a>]

01:50:43   in price differently sometimes regular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6643">TS</a>]

01:50:45   people couldn't even buy them sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6645">TS</a>]

01:50:47   regular people wouldn't want to buy them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6647">TS</a>]

01:50:48   you know but they as a means of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6648">TS</a>]

01:50:51   competing in what has always been a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6651">TS</a>]

01:50:53   price sensitive market they were like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6653">TS</a>]

01:50:55   we need to be able to sell into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6655">TS</a>]

01:50:57   education none of our existing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6657">TS</a>]

01:50:59   eventually they learned like none of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6659">TS</a>]

01:51:00   their existing periods especially back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6660">TS</a>]

01:51:01   in the day when every computer the apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6661">TS</a>]

01:51:03   made was better than better and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6663">TS</a>]

01:51:05   expensive than all the other ones they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6665">TS</a>]

01:51:07   made special versions of computers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6667">TS</a>]

01:51:09   special entire computers just for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6669">TS</a>]

01:51:12   education to suit education needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6672">TS</a>]

01:51:15   whatever those may be that showed I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6675">TS</a>]

01:51:18   think a more serious dedication to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6678">TS</a>]

01:51:20   education market again whether that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6680">TS</a>]

01:51:21   the best idea to make me special modders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6681">TS</a>]

01:51:22   but or they should have just changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6682">TS</a>]

01:51:24   that other models they were suitable for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6684">TS</a>]

01:51:25   education or whatever that's farther [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6685">TS</a>]

01:51:28   than today's Apple seems willing to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6688">TS</a>]

01:51:29   and on the flip side I think I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6689">TS</a>]

01:51:32   know if this is in this new york times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:32   article but I've seen it bounced around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6692">TS</a>]

01:51:34   maybe Gruber talked about it but Apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6694">TS</a>]

01:51:36   is doing much better in IT recently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6696">TS</a>]

01:51:37   mostly because that I think the the cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6697">TS</a>]

01:51:40   war against max in in corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6700">TS</a>]

01:51:42   environments has thought over the past I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6702">TS</a>]

01:51:45   would say decade or so used to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6705">TS</a>]

01:51:47   you're not anything allowed to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6707">TS</a>]

01:51:49   your Macintosh from home and connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6709">TS</a>]

01:51:51   to my network because I'm the evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6711">TS</a>]

01:51:52   corporate IT guy and the whole world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6712">TS</a>]

01:51:54   gonna end if you do that right to today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6714">TS</a>]

01:51:56   where I think most people joining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6716">TS</a>]

01:52:00   company have some expectations there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6720">TS</a>]

01:52:02   chance that they will either get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6722">TS</a>]

01:52:05   choose between a mac and a Windows PC or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6725">TS</a>]

01:52:07   just everybody's using Mac's depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6727">TS</a>]

01:52:09   on the company I mean look at IBM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6729">TS</a>]

01:52:12   they've got thousands of them right who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6732">TS</a>]

01:52:14   would have thunk good right and the max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6734">TS</a>]

01:52:17   integrate better and enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6737">TS</a>]

01:52:18   environment that's because of efforts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6738">TS</a>]

01:52:19   Apple has made both iOS devices and max [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6739">TS</a>]

01:52:22   integrate better into enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6742">TS</a>]

01:52:23   environments because Apple has changed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6743">TS</a>]

01:52:24   their software in ways that enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6744">TS</a>]

01:52:26   people wanted to make it more of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6746">TS</a>]

01:52:28   remotely manageable to have it be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6748">TS</a>]

01:52:29   compatible with various protocols it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6749">TS</a>]

01:52:31   been slow and it hasn't been that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6751">TS</a>]

01:52:33   matic but the series of things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6753">TS</a>]

01:52:34   they've done have made max way more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6754">TS</a>]

01:52:37   viable and enterprise than they used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6757">TS</a>]

01:52:39   be despite the fact they're still pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6759">TS</a>]

01:52:41   much Enterprise unfriendly in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6761">TS</a>]

01:52:43   like how Dell will service and replace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6763">TS</a>]

01:52:45   your things versus how Apple will do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6765">TS</a>]

01:52:47   and stuff like it like they still have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6767">TS</a>]

01:52:48   long way to go and it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6768">TS</a>]

01:52:50   they're sort of the same kind of Magnus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6770">TS</a>]

01:52:52   I have harder but the same kind of apple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6772">TS</a>]

01:52:54   style approach where we'll make some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6774">TS</a>]

01:52:56   changes in your behalf but we're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6776">TS</a>]

01:52:58   going to compromise our core beliefs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6778">TS</a>]

01:52:59   about what a computer should be and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6779">TS</a>]

01:53:00   our business should run and so on and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6780">TS</a>]

01:53:02   forth has yielded dividends in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6782">TS</a>]

01:53:05   enterprise probably because there is no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6785">TS</a>]

01:53:06   equivalent to Google coming from nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6786">TS</a>]

01:53:08   and taking over the enterprise they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6788">TS</a>]

01:53:09   basically just slowly trading market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6789">TS</a>]

01:53:11   share with Microsoft and other Windows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6791">TS</a>]

01:53:13   PC type things whereas an education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6793">TS</a>]

01:53:16   they've been doing things as well to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6796">TS</a>]

01:53:18   to make their iOS devices and Max better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6798">TS</a>]

01:53:20   for education over the years but their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6800">TS</a>]

01:53:23   their pace of innovation there has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6803">TS</a>]

01:53:25   swamped by Google coming out with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6805">TS</a>]

01:53:28   product that is cheap easy to manage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6808">TS</a>]

01:53:31   people like to use it removes a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6811">TS</a>]

01:53:33   pain points that people have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6813">TS</a>]

01:53:34   experiencing because the Chromebook as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6814">TS</a>]

01:53:36   we discussed before is not just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6816">TS</a>]

01:53:38   slightly better or cheaper laptop it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6818">TS</a>]

01:53:40   not a netbook right the advantage they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6820">TS</a>]

01:53:43   have is that is a different computing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6823">TS</a>]

01:53:44   paradigm with the you know things on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6824">TS</a>]

01:53:46   web right and that hold that that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6826">TS</a>]

01:53:49   thing if I've heard them referred to as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6829">TS</a>]

01:53:50   dumb terminals but I think that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6830">TS</a>]

01:53:51   that's a pejorative there they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6831">TS</a>]

01:53:54   dumb and they're not terminals it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6834">TS</a>]

01:53:55   merely a computer using local hardware [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6835">TS</a>]

01:53:58   to run applications and then using the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6838">TS</a>]

01:54:01   network for state preservation and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6841">TS</a>]

01:54:04   a great solution and it's easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6844">TS</a>]

01:54:05   people to manage then installing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6845">TS</a>]

01:54:07   software and all that other stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6847">TS</a>]

01:54:09   that's that I think is why they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6849">TS</a>]

01:54:11   winning not just because of price [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6851">TS</a>]

01:54:13   because they could surely get trashed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6853">TS</a>]

01:54:15   you know Windows PCs for something close [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6855">TS</a>]

01:54:17   to that price but a crappy Windows PC is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6857">TS</a>]

01:54:20   not as easy to manage as the fleet of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6860">TS</a>]

01:54:22   Chromebooks all right so I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6862">TS</a>]

01:54:25   know there is no equivalent to that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6865">TS</a>]

01:54:27   enterprise there is no competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6867">TS</a>]

01:54:28   enterprise that is making things ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6868">TS</a>]

01:54:31   times easier let's say for enterprise IT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6871">TS</a>]

01:54:33   then Apple or Microsoft or dell or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6873">TS</a>]

01:54:37   whatever whereas there was in education [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6877">TS</a>]

01:54:39   so I rather than framing this as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6879">TS</a>]

01:54:41   failing of Apple I think it's more fair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6881">TS</a>]

01:54:43   to frame it as a success for google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6883">TS</a>]

01:54:46   give Google credit for finding one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6886">TS</a>]

01:54:48   environment into which it can sell its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6888">TS</a>]

01:54:50   hardware that apparently loves it is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6890">TS</a>]

01:54:53   the consumer realm they just did and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6893">TS</a>]

01:54:54   they just canceled the Chromebook pixels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6894">TS</a>]

01:54:56   that I'm making them yeah yeah yeahs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6896">TS</a>]

01:54:58   consumers not so much but schools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6898">TS</a>]

01:55:00   schools love it and you know kudos to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6900">TS</a>]

01:55:02   Google Apple could have done better yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6902">TS</a>]

01:55:05   buts and so could a Microsoft but bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6905">TS</a>]

01:55:07   line is google made a product that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6907">TS</a>]

01:55:09   education loves John how much did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6909">TS</a>]

01:55:11   say your 1989 Mac was eight grand in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6911">TS</a>]

01:55:14   today's money no no in that money it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6914">TS</a>]

01:55:18   four thousand three hundred dollars plus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6918">TS</a>]

01:55:19   the keyboard so you would need another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6919">TS</a>]

01:55:22   half of a Mac to get a three-door honda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6922">TS</a>]

01:55:24   civic hatchback for speed which was 6385 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6924">TS</a>]

01:55:27   dollars almost John almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+CdQlkiqU/6927">TS</a>]