The Talk Show

184: ‘Hubbo Is in Decline’, With Special Guest Merlin Mann

 

  oh boy Oh once you start locking [TS]

  everything down wow did you unlock cask [TS]

  you a question yeah you can ask me any [TS]

  to you do you um we cut this out do you [TS]

  unlock your Mac with your watch I do Wow [TS]

  but I don't wear my I don't wear my [TS]

  watch every day but it's one of my [TS]

  favorite features in it at it's actually [TS]

  one of the main motivators for me to [TS]

  wear my watch because I love that [TS]

  feature so much I do I trust it it in [TS]

  and I find that it works amazingly it [TS]

  works you know I'm over eighty percent [TS]

  of the time which is good but a man's [TS]

  switch in it was a good excuse to [TS]

  finally switch over from to step 2 to [TS]

  factor wow that's a heck of a thing I'm [TS]

  glad I did it and I gotta tell you I put [TS]

  it off for a long time I only did it [TS]

  several weeks ago uh there was like an [TS]

  update to I forget if it was a mac OS [TS]

  update or an iOS update where one of the [TS]

  features was hey you know we came out [TS]

  with this unlock your Mac feature with [TS]

  your watch back in October whatever but [TS]

  we made it really fast now and I was [TS]

  like you know when I gotta try i've been [TS]

  putting this off and i put it off [TS]

  because I didn't have the two-factor I [TS]

  had to step am I saying it right yeah [TS]

  yeah the two-step I mean I didn't tell [TS]

  you the spec on this but the if you [TS]

  tried if you're trying to determine [TS]

  which one you have running right now [TS]

  well it's probably two step and I think [TS]

  the easiest way to tell and correct me [TS]

  if i'm wrong i'm sure people will with [TS]

  two step you get an SMS message with a [TS]

  four-digit code with two factor you get [TS]

  a like a more official looking like iOS [TS]

  pop-up right and a six digit code right [TS]

  it is switching over switching over is [TS]

  who you want to not be having a holiday [TS]

  party when you switch over to two factor [TS]

  I've been one night I got I got a [TS]

  macbook adorable and I thought okay I'll [TS]

  give this a spin and so I thought you [TS]

  know Oh watching TV watching TV set up [TS]

  to factor and I was trying to be that [TS]

  guy I'm trying to be like security guys [TS]

  so like I don't leave iCloud I don't [TS]

  tick the button to keep me logged in [TS]

  i'm on a mac with iCloud I don't know [TS]

  why it's just a dumb superstition but so [TS]

  if memory serves you got to go in you [TS]

  have to first you have to shut off this [TS]

  is totally like Tom Cruise coming down [TS]

  the line like you land right before you [TS]

  hit the floor so you gotta log in and in [TS]

  my case so I got a fact to factor in [TS]

  right to to site to steppin now I to [TS]

  step in okay not a problem have some [TS]

  drinks set up to factor no problem so so [TS]

  far so good I to two step in and first [TS]

  you gotta shut off to step like this not [TS]

  only makes sense first you have to shut [TS]

  off to step and then to turn on [TS]

  two-factor and there might be another [TS]

  two step at that point to make sure you [TS]

  want to shut off to step but in any case [TS]

  then you get to where you have to put in [TS]

  three security questions and optionally [TS]

  I think a phone number and so on that [TS]

  guy right so like I don't have the box [TS]

  ticked over here I got one password oh [TS]

  by the way and I was trying to do this [TS]

  on an iPad so initially and so I and [TS]

  then eventually I moved to the to the [TS]

  macbook adorable but point being I'm I'm [TS]

  not going to put in like the name of my [TS]

  high school I'm not going to put in my [TS]

  favorite band or whatever i have my own [TS]

  way of doing this by using a [TS]

  non-conventional answer to that but i [TS]

  want to get it exactly right so i type [TS]

  all of them into one password and then [TS]

  i'm copying and pasting them I I hate [TS]

  those security questions because I I [TS]

  have a podcast and on a podcast I might [TS]

  occasionally I might tell a story about [TS]

  my first grade teacher like absolutely I [TS]

  told stories about my my crazy dog [TS]

  Chester and growing up who used to who [TS]

  my name is definitely John Gruber my dog [TS]

  is Chester even reset everything he was [TS]

  a great dog I can't help it tell stories [TS]

  about him but I mean those shins I don't [TS]

  like those questions at all either isn't [TS]

  it that stuff seems awful and because [TS]

  everybody I know who's actually been [TS]

  hacked has been hacked through all right [TS]

  I think so i think this is true that [TS]

  everybody I know has had any kind of [TS]

  problems with [TS]

  you know the hijinks that these things [TS]

  are meant to to defend against was [TS]

  hacked through with a social engineering [TS]

  social engineer I was going to say [TS]

  social manipulation but you know that [TS]

  the mat Honan problem right exactly [TS]

  somebody just calls up and says I'm John [TS]

  Gruber and oh yeah my first grade [TS]

  teacher so and so and the dog was named [TS]

  Chester and and you know boom then [TS]

  they're in I had an additional problem [TS]

  with the switch from to step 2 to factor [TS]

  with iCloud where well numbered the [TS]

  whole thing it is a mess and I don't [TS]

  even know how I got into this situation [TS]

  where I'm one of the people who've got [TS]

  to iCloud things where I've got the one [TS]

  that I used where I to Apple IDs one me [TS]

  to want one for my stuff and one for my [TS]

  media oh yeah so when i buy stuff it's [TS]

  with its it's with a different account [TS]

  and when that's my old i still have my [TS]

  old like I think mac com or me calm oh [TS]

  no what is was that I even have a third [TS]

  Apple ID which isn't even an email [TS]

  address it's just a name which is from [TS]

  Alba developer connection it was like an [TS]

  ADC account that I set up in like [TS]

  nineteen ninety-eight but like back then [TS]

  it was like they didn't use email is [TS]

  like your identifier they just let you [TS]

  pick a name and so I've still got that [TS]

  and and there's certain things that if I [TS]

  go through a DC they're like you need to [TS]

  you need to upgrade this account to an [TS]

  email address but the problem is that [TS]

  the two email addresses that I most like [TS]

  to use with it are all already Apple IDs [TS]

  so I came anyway but that program I ran [TS]

  into was i turn off to step and it is [TS]

  weird it is like first step turn off all [TS]

  your security on your account right [TS]

  second step go through this and then go [TS]

  in and like on iOS you go to like [TS]

  settings iCloud click your name and then [TS]

  there's like turn on two-factor [TS]

  authentication except I would follow [TS]

  those steps and go there and there was [TS]

  no button that said turn on two-factor [TS]

  authentication and then I would go on [TS]

  the mac and on the mac you go to the [TS]

  settings or system prefs and there's the [TS]

  same type thing and there's a button and [TS]

  there was a button to turn on two-factor [TS]

  authentication and i would click that [TS]

  button and [TS]

  would spin not for a long time but like [TS]

  for like you know like the six or seven [TS]

  seconds you would think that it would [TS]

  take for this to like phone home to [TS]

  apple and an apple would you know figure [TS]

  out how to do this and then it would [TS]

  politely tell me that two factor [TS]

  authentication cannot be turned on for [TS]

  this account you know but you know how [TS]

  it is though you having a holiday party [TS]

  you want to increase your security and [TS]

  I'm like a terrier I'm like on the one [TS]

  hand I'm like I'm gonna get this done I [TS]

  can I know I can do this and then it [TS]

  becomes like a video game where I'm [TS]

  liking just just to cut to the chase [TS]

  here uh I'm going to tell you how many [TS]

  times I tried to do this and each time [TS]

  by the time i got the end to make it go [TS]

  I was timed out on the website because i [TS]

  hadn't ticked the button and then I'm [TS]

  like okay you know what that's fine [TS]

  we're going to do a speed run of this [TS]

  let's see if I can do this and finish it [TS]

  without having to take that button [TS]

  because now i'm mad and I never I never [TS]

  could pull it off and then of course I [TS]

  think okay you're getting your hands [TS]

  perilously close to the dragon's mouth [TS]

  at this point wait till tomorrow morning [TS]

  wait till the holiday party is over do [TS]

  this in the clear light of day and I did [TS]

  tick the button and it did work and then [TS]

  of course everything's blowing up on all [TS]

  the voices letting me know that you know [TS]

  all these things are available in all [TS]

  these places but I don't know it's just [TS]

  it's another one of those things where [TS]

  far from I guess security theater I mean [TS]

  this is such an important thing for all [TS]

  of us to be working on but it is not [TS]

  super consumer friendly well I said I [TS]

  think I I think Apple deserves some [TS]

  praise for its because I think they're [TS]

  more or less doing the right thing and I [TS]

  think now that I have it working I I do [TS]

  like the way that it works and I like [TS]

  the new advanced like you said like it [TS]

  looks like instead of just getting a [TS]

  text message or an iMessage or whatever [TS]

  it is with a code you get like a real [TS]

  nice dialogue and it even has a map [TS]

  showing you where the right to the thing [TS]

  is trying to log on um uh so they're [TS]

  doing the right thing I just think it [TS]

  shows how hard it is to move old systems [TS]

  along to the best practices right [TS]

  because the Apple ID system dates back [TS]

  to you know like 19 I don't know late [TS]

  90s when it was literally just a [TS]

  username and a password and that was it [TS]

  and your plastic I don't think I got one [TS]

  until [TS]

  um whatever the original mobileme thing [TS]

  was like where you got the cards and all [TS]

  that stuff that's probably when i first [TS]

  got one you have one circ you said one [TS]

  of those just a name things yeah I still [TS]

  have it yeah Wow they didn't make you [TS]

  change it uh not yet huh I think that [TS]

  they might if I if I think if I were to [TS]

  say if I were to release an app in the [TS]

  App Store under my own under that [TS]

  account i think i would have to update [TS]

  I'd have to update it to an email [TS]

  address I think there's a there's a [TS]

  couple of thing and maybe even if I got [TS]

  like a WWDC ticket I don't know if I got [TS]

  it something goes something goes wrong [TS]

  and like it could be like an itunes [TS]

  problem sometimes they'll be these weird [TS]

  sorry to go on about this but like you [TS]

  know Syracuse and I talked about this a [TS]

  lot on our program this mystery meat pop [TS]

  ups if you get periodically for like [TS]

  reauthorized with iCloud know like why I [TS]

  reauthorize like what reauthorized like [TS]

  what do you what is this for like if you [TS]

  got that from google you'd freak if [TS]

  you're just using your computer and you [TS]

  got a popup message that said [TS]

  reauthorize to Google you'd be like what [TS]

  is this but then you know then you get [TS]

  that thing where it's like oh now you [TS]

  know you go to the principal's office [TS]

  now you gotta go to apple ID apple com [TS]

  you're going to set on the bench you're [TS]

  going to wait your turn you're going to [TS]

  go use I have not used apple ID apple [TS]

  com in a while but every time i've used [TS]

  it i feel i feel like i'm like indie [TS]

  trying to get the head of the idol when [TS]

  I got the bag of sand I just might get [TS]

  out of here without getting speared [TS]

  shouldn't have been a much bigger butt [TS]

  bag of sand I thought about it because [TS]

  gold I don't know how I presume that the [TS]

  idol was hollow to some extent that it [TS]

  was not a song like a modern chocolate [TS]

  bunny yeah I presume that the idol was [TS]

  like a modern chocolate bunny made of [TS]

  gold but even so Gold is a very heavy [TS]

  substance and I I feel like that what [TS]

  they chose to do is pick something that [TS]

  was cinematically roughly the same size [TS]

  sure but I feel like you know I've oh [TS]

  it's always bothered me a little bit [TS]

  that see I'm just going to guess to me [TS]

  here and I couldn't know without holding [TS]

  the idol in the bag but I'm gonna say [TS]

  three to six times heavier than that bag [TS]

  of sand i'm also i'm loath to criticize [TS]

  the scene because it [TS]

  it's it famously this is the Raiders of [TS]

  the Lost Ark is arguably my favorite [TS]

  movie of all time depending on what day [TS]

  you ask me without question my most [TS]

  beloved movie of all time and yeah the [TS]

  movie I know without question it's the [TS]

  movie I've seen the most number of times [TS]

  and even saying that and one of the [TS]

  reasons I love the movie is that I love [TS]

  every single scene in the movie there's [TS]

  not a single clunker arguably other than [TS]

  the one where Marion it's with the [TS]

  mirror uh I know that it's a it's a [TS]

  classic and I mean my kids like will [TS]

  request to watch it it's it's still it's [TS]

  it's really well put together yeah and [TS]

  but that's seen in particular is a [TS]

  standout among standouts yeah absolutely [TS]

  here's the reason I know I think I've [TS]

  told this story before but maybe not to [TS]

  you the reason I know that I've seen [TS]

  Raiders of the Lost Ark more than any [TS]

  other movie is that growing up my friend [TS]

  JD who lived right down the street from [TS]

  me had a VCR and this is before very [TS]

  early years of VCR technology and and [TS]

  home video and you couldn't really even [TS]

  it was like before video stores and [TS]

  stuff it was like mostly VCRs or for [TS]

  taping shows and they didn't really they [TS]

  all the studios were just sort of [TS]

  dipping their toes into like well maybe [TS]

  well maybe we'll let you watch movies on [TS]

  these tapes maybe but certainly not the [TS]

  good ones and somehow JD's dad got [TS]

  copier raiders lost ark on VHS like but [TS]

  before there were like commercial [TS]

  versions of it I mean it was like if you [TS]

  know one of the very early days of [TS]

  movies that fell off the back of a truck [TS]

  and it was right one and only movie here [TS]

  yeah and we both loved it and so every [TS]

  time it rained in the summer or like on [TS]

  a Saturday or Sunday JD would call me up [TS]

  and he would just see it would say you [TS]

  want to watch the raider said i'd say [TS]

  i'll be right there and that's what it [TS]

  was it wasn't why do you want to watch a [TS]

  movie do you want to come over he would [TS]

  just call up and say do you want to [TS]

  watch Raiders and i would say sure and [TS]

  we'd go down to his house and we would [TS]

  watch the raiders of the lost ark and it [TS]

  never got old the early days of falling [TS]

  off a truck to me were i want to say it [TS]

  would have been when i was in high [TS]

  school probably around the time of [TS]

  return of the jedi HBO would show for [TS]

  Star Wars movie and so lots of people of [TS]

  my age and maybe a little bit younger [TS]

  like they they kind of came up watching [TS]

  a VHS home recorded copy that was the [TS]

  early fall off the truck now the crazy [TS]

  thing is um I was in military school for [TS]

  a year 79 to 80 and we had a Betamax and [TS]

  the deal was if we wanted movies we [TS]

  would like pitch in like if you have [TS]

  returned to get donated but you pitch in [TS]

  cuz you could buy movies right but the [TS]

  movies were about seventy to a hundred [TS]

  dollars yeah we had a bait we had a [TS]

  Betamax copy of mash we had the omen [TS]

  which was totally inappropriate but uh [TS]

  yeah and Bruce 100 bucks doing a copy of [TS]

  mash of dollars but right I heard on [TS]

  another podcast i think i want to say [TS]

  maybe the flophouse that that that was [TS]

  originally like they're basically [TS]

  building in the cost for the idea that [TS]

  video stores were going to be a thing [TS]

  mmm yes so yeah that you'd buy it and [TS]

  then like rent in a million times but i [TS]

  don't know that seems so ludicrous now i [TS]

  remember the other fallen off a truck [TS]

  movie i remember and i was pretty [TS]

  excited about it was i was probably his [TS]

  tenth birthday my friend Joey had a [TS]

  sleepover Joey's dad was a lawyer of [TS]

  arguably ill repute given some of the [TS]

  news coverage in the local town a lawyer [TS]

  in New people fake news and so I don't [TS]

  know 10 or 11 10 year olds sleeping over [TS]

  at Joey's house we got pizza and Joey's [TS]

  dad said he had a real treat force and [TS]

  so Joey's dad says there's a treat for [TS]

  you it might be good turns out somehow [TS]

  the guy got a copy of empire strikes [TS]

  back oh come on I sweat just like 1983 [TS]

  so r it was like two years after it came [TS]

  out it was probably we'd all seen it in [TS]

  the theaters like because that was when [TS]

  they'd have like next a year after it [TS]

  came out they put it in theaters again [TS]

  and it it was not letterboxed but it was [TS]

  it was squished so Oh like you got to [TS]

  see the hole and maybe not the whole [TS]

  frame because that was like super wide [TS]

  screen but you got to see more of the [TS]

  picture but everybody looked like ig-88 [TS]

  and ig-88 looked like a pencil [TS]

  and like okay like when the Millennium [TS]

  Falcon would like twist it would like [TS]

  when it be flying one way it would look [TS]

  fat and then it would like twist to go [TS]

  through asteroids and it would like turn [TS]

  into a piece of paper this still like so [TS]

  similar thing still happens today like [TS]

  if you're in a hotel and you know [TS]

  they've got like this giant I don't know [TS]

  why this happens they've got giant giant [TS]

  giant tvs and like SD stations and [TS]

  sometimes the settings are different [TS]

  from channel to channel yeah some guys [TS]

  I'm sure Todd could tell us what the [TS]

  name for this is but gets real squished [TS]

  up yep from some kind of mystery meat [TS]

  aspect ratio yeah so oh my god oh still [TS]

  he got a copy of this movie on VHS and [TS]

  it was like once at first we were all we [TS]

  are super excited then everybody was [TS]

  like what the heck why is everything [TS]

  squished and then we kind of figured out [TS]

  what was going on and I was kind of [TS]

  super happy about it because surprise [TS]

  surprise even as a ten-year-old I was a [TS]

  you know a bit of a nerd about hey just [TS]

  you know pan and scan sucks I was kind [TS]

  of once once once i got like five so [TS]

  glad to learn the name for that cuz I [TS]

  don't think I knew it back then i buy [TS]

  watch everything you remember the James [TS]

  Bond movies we're not a James Bond [TS]

  movies would be on you'd be like whoa [TS]

  that's that's weird like you never see [TS]

  that kind of weird thing in a movie but [TS]

  yeah told the James Bond movies were so [TS]

  full of those yeah so anyway I was [TS]

  really excited that's that's it was a [TS]

  very fond memory so thank you Joey's dad [TS]

  wherever you are nice memories all right [TS]

  let me take a break I gotta feed I gotta [TS]

  fit some of these will it come sponsors [TS]

  in it's been a while since I've had an [TS]

  episode I don't know it is one thing lit [TS]

  it's a long story i'm not gonna tell [TS]

  it's boring but yeah i got i got to [TS]

  thank some of these sponsors and i love [TS]

  them all i love them to death here's the [TS]

  first 100 is a modern system of Wi-Fi [TS]

  routers the single ma outer modeled it's [TS]

  nonsense it we've moved past it this is [TS]

  that's that's 1999 technology where you [TS]

  buy a box stick it next to your cable [TS]

  modem in whatever room that is and then [TS]

  hope that the signal goes through all [TS]

  the walls and floors of your house know [TS]

  the right way to do it the modern way to [TS]

  do it is to set up a mesh network you [TS]

  buy it by the ear oh you get like three [TS]

  or four these little pucks there eats [TS]

  the size of Apple TV they're all the [TS]

  same you just pick one whichever one the [TS]

  first one you take out [TS]

  box is the one you hook up to the cable [TS]

  modem and that's like the master one and [TS]

  then you hook up these other ones [TS]

  throughout the house and they have a [TS]

  helpful app that tells you to you know [TS]

  the best strategy for where to place [TS]

  them I think they even recommend a of [TS]

  like a square footage they recommend one [TS]

  for every thousand square feet they have [TS]

  a beautiful app to put it on your iPhone [TS]

  and the app lets you set everything up [TS]

  you just tap tap tap and then all of a [TS]

  sudden you've got a new Wi-Fi network in [TS]

  your house that is a faster than [TS]

  whatever you've already got if you've [TS]

  got an old couple of years old router [TS]

  and B will give you a signal that the [TS]

  same all through your house so like if [TS]

  you've got like a master bedroom two [TS]

  floors up that gets a poor signal that's [TS]

  not a problem anymore it works great I [TS]

  don't know anybody who's got one of [TS]

  these who doesn't think it's an upgrade [TS]

  over whatever it is they replaced it [TS]

  with is it perfect no nothing's perfect [TS]

  but they've got great customer service [TS]

  the app is great and they keep releasing [TS]

  updates that keep making it better it's [TS]

  really really great this is a great [TS]

  company here it's currently rated four [TS]

  point four stars on amazon with a [TS]

  whopping 750 reviews they offer a one [TS]

  year warranty and it will work with your [TS]

  existing modem and internet service [TS]

  you're just replacing the router that's [TS]

  it so what do you can you get you get it [TS]

  for three hundred ninety nine dollars [TS]

  you get a three pack that's a hundred [TS]

  dollars off and for 299 you get a 2-pack [TS]

  that's fifty dollars off so go to ero [TS]

  calm and use the code the talk show the [TS]

  talk show and you'll get free expedited [TS]

  shipping if you order if you listen to I [TS]

  don't know when this shows going to pop [TS]

  out of the the internet tubes but but [TS]

  you could get one by the end of the week [TS]

  so go ahead if you need a new from Josh [TS]

  I want to say something that arrow I'll [TS]

  tell you by era these guys are not [TS]

  jackals they're not jackals this is the [TS]

  real deal you gonna you put this in your [TS]

  house first of all like you say you pick [TS]

  any one of them you can mix them up you [TS]

  can play a shell game you start with one [TS]

  of these it tells you do do do the other [TS]

  one do they don't now do the other one [TS]

  and you know what parts of your house [TS]

  that you thought just couldn't get the [TS]

  internet you get the internet as my [TS]

  friend Mike early says imagine that just [TS]

  suddenly at certain points during the [TS]

  day part of your house just [TS]

  you can get electric like that's what it [TS]

  feels like nowadays and this thing it [TS]

  works a treat and that the app is just [TS]

  terrific not Jackals it yeah really good [TS]

  stuff I just love I always hated the way [TS]

  with the other ones the old ones it was [TS]

  one of the reasons I like the Apple 1 [TS]

  i'm everyone apple used to make stuff [TS]

  like this um I remember the other brand [TS]

  right they used to be Apple yeah uh but [TS]

  yeah other ones you used to like type in [TS]

  a web browser like a magic localhost web [TS]

  address and you'd get like the changes [TS]

  68 dot one dot one or dot one dot 100 we [TS]

  go in there and you could get into your [TS]

  linksys admin admin I used to have a [TS]

  list in NV alt of every default password [TS]

  so no matter where i was there was a [TS]

  pretty good chance like I get onto [TS]

  somebody's wife oh I was good i don't [TS]

  want to save it for the end i want to [TS]

  get this out of the way because it's [TS]

  important it's really it's why I got you [TS]

  on the horn to see if you could come on [TS]

  the show because i do feel i feel that [TS]

  the technology press in general but even [TS]

  in our circle where you know like i'd [TS]

  say in general people say that the tech [TS]

  industry a lot of people mean like but [TS]

  like a 30 mile circle or you know around [TS]

  san francisco and yeah its consumer [TS]

  devices and your services and your [TS]

  facebooks and the thing easy use to turn [TS]

  on your internet lights right but [TS]

  there's all sorts of other technology [TS]

  and its advancing at quick paces and the [TS]

  technology media doesn't cover it and [TS]

  here's a bit of it that I that I [TS]

  encountered this week I was watching [TS]

  some of the college basketball on TV and [TS]

  I saw a 15 second commercial from [TS]

  american standard you familiar with this [TS]

  company i am now yeah american standard [TS]

  is a maker of toilets and urinals and [TS]

  they probably peed on your feet on their [TS]

  logo like when you go to a ball game [TS]

  yeah we have a new technology called for [TS]

  max it's anti splatter flush technology [TS]

  now I'm going to put this I'm going to [TS]

  put this in the show notes I have swear [TS]

  to God I know it's a running joke that I [TS]

  often say i'm going to put something in [TS]

  the show notes this one's going in and [TS]

  i'm going to put it at the top of the [TS]

  list of links even if it's not that [TS]

  first thing we talked about so what I [TS]

  recommend for everybody listening is [TS]

  pause the show hit pause in your little [TS]

  podcast app go to the show notes and hit [TS]

  the first thing it'll be very clearly [TS]

  labeled american standard form ax anti [TS]

  splatter flush technology and watch this [TS]

  commercial it's 15 seconds so it's young [TS]

  you'll be back here before you know it I [TS]

  didn't I didn't realize it's clean you [TS]

  know she shameless it's clean shame on [TS]

  me I did not know what a problem this [TS]

  was until I watched this spotter I saw [TS]

  this commercial and the first thing I [TS]

  thought was what the hell did I just see [TS]

  and then the second thing I thought was [TS]

  I gotta get I gotta show this to Merlin [TS]

  hmm I've been reviewing their videos [TS]

  they have they have a couple like funny [TS]

  videos like this one that are very funny [TS]

  and they have some that are really [TS]

  straight that are actually very [TS]

  upsetting I really can't recommend [TS]

  because here's the thing John what a lot [TS]

  of people don't understand is there's a [TS]

  problem with splatter so I guess the [TS]

  problem with splatter is that your [TS]

  standard American low-flow toilet is not [TS]

  doing a good enough job of sluicing [TS]

  daddy splatter away in a way that's [TS]

  accessible mom it's taken away it's [TS]

  taking away the the bulk the bulk the [TS]

  book yeah right mmm it shows the book [TS]

  but misses the splatter it's taken away [TS]

  the bulk it's taken away the yellow [TS]

  right how many times has this happened [TS]

  to you right with the splatter yeah no [TS]

  no I mean Sam saying it's like an [TS]

  infomercial now in some of the other [TS]

  ones they illustrate how effectively [TS]

  splatter is removed in one case I think [TS]

  they like show you how to flush [TS]

  ping-pong balls down your toilet but [TS]

  there's one I really do not recommend [TS]

  watching where they simulate splatter in [TS]

  a toilet with what I'm hoping is fudge [TS]

  Oh No there's master there's matter in [TS]

  there you got you got yet it's like I'm [TS]

  sure you got it's like somebody put [TS]

  three dollars of Nutella it's like a [TS]

  flight of new [TS]

  hella across the back and then at the [TS]

  bottom you got some kind of straw matter [TS]

  i'm not sure what it is the boy just [TS]

  cleans it right out the spider just [TS]

  sluices right away all right in the [TS]

  commercial that I'm talking about I feel [TS]

  that every single aspect of this [TS]

  commercial is worth analyzing so number [TS]

  one it's so it starts very well done [TS]

  still tight it starts with a bow [TS]

  splattering ketchup on his on his polo [TS]

  shirt now he seems he seems a bit of a [TS]

  doddering fool I I'm really it's a cut [TS]

  to retiree enjoying an outdoor meal [TS]

  together and he's gonna put some cats [TS]

  upon his wiener I feel is it a good [TS]

  shake I feel it's one of these I feel [TS]

  it's one of these couples though where [TS]

  where huh bo is is in decline and wifey [TS]

  is short still sharp its attack and she [TS]

  suck starting to get a little a lot of a [TS]

  little sick of us shit literally oh yeah [TS]

  yeah no no oh I see what you're saying [TS]

  how things are declining yeah oh god yes [TS]

  maybe she could tell the hot dogs so [TS]

  here's how I read it I read this story [TS]

  as as uh bo is in decline and he's [TS]

  splattering all over the toilet and the [TS]

  wife is so sick of of this mess that [TS]

  she's taking it into her own hands she's [TS]

  done a mark oh and she's done a [TS]

  deep-dive on toilets this is her [TS]

  headphones right this is her headphones [TS]

  and she's she is now completely up to [TS]

  speed on modern flushing technology and [TS]

  has replaced the toilet and it at least [TS]

  in you know maybe all of them probably [TS]

  they look well off so she could maybe [TS]

  just you know come in and just get all [TS]

  he can afford a toilet on their patio so [TS]

  we haven't even gotten to that yet like [TS]

  that's but what out here just to gaze he [TS]

  can't make it inside no what's this [TS]

  second charge for 259 oh she's had it [TS]

  with splatter and she addresses the [TS]

  audience all right it's illustrated with [TS]

  with the blue material a pleasant blue [TS]

  material which rings a bell from some [TS]

  feminine hygiene product commercials [TS]

  I've seen seen over the years oh right [TS]

  it always absorbs blue right there's [TS]

  going blue is the universal seems to be [TS]

  the unit [TS]

  persol color for what are otherwise [TS]

  considered unpleasant bodily emissions [TS]

  nothing we emit is blue blue does seem [TS]

  to be a nice color and so if you want to [TS]

  illustrate the absorbency of say a [TS]

  tampon or a feminine napkin or a [TS]

  splatter on a toilet you use you use [TS]

  blue mm-hmm you know now I'm just [TS]

  scrubbing a little bit here they have a [TS]

  toilet on their deck just sitting there [TS]

  it bothers me a little bit it's headed [TS]

  tilted angle it's not quite squared up [TS]

  aligned with the decks of the the planks [TS]

  ago that would that would drive down [TS]

  weed drive cable crazy yeah that [TS]

  misalignment like who installed that why [TS]

  what's the deal yeah get a nice oiled [TS]

  like this you know I think you want to [TS]

  invest in it in a proper yeah I mean [TS]

  this is it's it's hard this is a little [TS]

  bit like like a Marquez commercial I [TS]

  think it's a little bit magically real [TS]

  yeah yeah a lot I realized that I do [TS]

  realize all all joking aside I realized [TS]

  that we're not meant to assume that they [TS]

  that this is depicting a couple who [TS]

  literally put a open-air toilet on their [TS]

  deck yeah I realized that they're taking [TS]

  shortcuts for the sake of brevity in [TS]

  that style that was sort of maybe [TS]

  epitomized by um i forget i don't know i [TS]

  don't know what i'm talking about but [TS]

  you know a sort of absurdist style oh [TS]

  yes come on yes um even you go back to [TS]

  the days of the tidy Bowl man tidy Bowl [TS]

  man got a little Commodore and your [TS]

  toads yeah he swam around in there he [TS]

  lived in there he look he looks pretty [TS]

  happy in there yeah even though even [TS]

  though when there was whether it was not [TS]

  good whoa that's the forecast captain [TS]

  splatter splatter mm all right i think [TS]

  the commercial is notable even without [TS]

  the capper yeah but the capper [TS]

  hmm really I I swear I almost had a [TS]

  stroke when the woman's head popped out [TS]

  of the toilet woman's head pops out of [TS]

  the trailer she says it's clean she [TS]

  announces its clean and this is a light [TS]

  motif now if you watch the one called [TS]

  clinger you see clinger no i did not see [TS]

  Cole click over there on the right go to [TS]

  go to american standard form ax toilet [TS]

  go to clinger take a minute enjoy that [TS]

  one all right all right yep mm-hmm and [TS]

  there's a third one called skid marks [TS]

  were you aware of how insufficient the [TS]

  flushing technology is in your toilets [TS]

  in your house when we get to the [TS]

  analysis phase of this I have I do have [TS]

  a lot of thoughts on this but I know I [TS]

  have to be honest with you barring let's [TS]

  say the bathroom at a cinema or a sports [TS]

  event I do not encounter these problems [TS]

  as much and we've got a pretty low flow [TS]

  old-school toilet dingus maybe we're [TS]

  just lucky you know maybe it's the [TS]

  probiotics I don't know something you [TS]

  working for us pounce I'm blessed oui [TS]

  oui but there's so much to it cuz like [TS]

  you know part of it is also it implies [TS]

  not only that this guy causes splatter [TS]

  but he doesn't notice it and doesn't [TS]

  like give a second you know back up [TS]

  flush the old guy yeah right yeah how [TS]

  about if I if I went in and let's be [TS]

  honest we all ruin a bathroom sometimes [TS]

  it happens it's part of being an adult [TS]

  if I went in there and really shamed if [TS]

  i shamed the bathroom I would want to do [TS]

  a little bit of cleanup maybe light a [TS]

  match to shoot a little bit of a little [TS]

  bit of glade right but I would most [TS]

  definitely do do a visual inspection of [TS]

  the bowl right for a skid mark or a [TS]

  spotter or if you like a clinger give [TS]

  the toilet a chance to catch its breath [TS]

  refill the bowl right [TS]

  a second chance yeah like a full flush [TS]

  though you know what I mean like if you [TS]

  don't wait if you don't wait you kind of [TS]

  get like a you get a Wimpy flush you [TS]

  know I mean it's you gotta catch your [TS]

  breath it's like the flush is like 100 [TS]

  yard dash if you want it to run another [TS]

  hundred yard dash you got to give it a [TS]

  chance to catch its breath if you tell [TS]

  going which this is a chance for you to [TS]

  you could wash your hands you could look [TS]

  at your phone you go through somebody's [TS]

  medicine cabinet could definitely should [TS]

  be washing your hands right is this too [TS]

  gross John no I mean this is obviously [TS]

  this is a real problem this is uh you [TS]

  know yeah I don't know I my guess is [TS]

  that they started with here's a [TS]

  complaint I do here is you know the [TS]

  whole low flow problem of like the [TS]

  modern house you get a low-flow shower [TS]

  that's not satisfying you get a toilet [TS]

  that requires like six flushes people [TS]

  get frustrated about that what's [TS]

  interesting about this though is like [TS]

  also if you watch there if one more the [TS]

  sort of person to watch many videos from [TS]

  this company about how the toilets are [TS]

  made if you wore that sort of person you [TS]

  see they're really also playing up how [TS]

  easy it is to clean they've done [TS]

  something revolutionary with the outer [TS]

  rim so you don't get germs and matter on [TS]

  the outside no you know I I think one [TS]

  thing though I think that when [TS]

  middle-class white people are upgrading [TS]

  I think the kitchens kitchens are one [TS]

  people put a lot of money in their [TS]

  kitchens and I think people really like [TS]

  putting money into their bathroom yeah [TS]

  don't you think oh I do too i think it's [TS]

  it's it's a very modern way of upgrading [TS]

  your house i mean when you and I were [TS]

  kids I mean your bathroom was I mean not [TS]

  that they wouldn't you know it simply is [TS]

  it cleaner is it not clean and that [TS]

  meant it was a nice bathroom or not a [TS]

  nice bathroom and that was it but like [TS]

  it just it was like everybody had the [TS]

  same sink it was just it's just a white [TS]

  rectangle yeah my grandparents second in [TS]

  their half bath had a wooden toilet seat [TS]

  I'll never forget harrowing and the only [TS]

  real the only real option was whether [TS]

  you got the you got to two faucets hot [TS]

  and a cold or if you had one and you [TS]

  kind of you know stir it around like a [TS]

  joystick to adjust the temperature [TS]

  and that was it you didn't have any [TS]

  other choices it all came out of the [TS]

  same spigot and now it's you know people [TS]

  yeah people are getting deluxe toilets [TS]

  european-style toilets when you get a [TS]

  todo on there yeah that's a popular [TS]

  that's a popular thing I'm not familiar [TS]

  what is what is that Oh toto it's a it's [TS]

  like an aftermarket bday ah there I've [TS]

  seen its it squirts squirts hot water [TS]

  onto your downstairs yeah well that [TS]

  sounds better than it sounds first you [TS]

  scoff and then pretty soon you're ready [TS]

  to give it a ring it's quite a it's [TS]

  quite a thing yeah well cut cock tease [TS]

  been on this for years I must be too [TS]

  might even be 10 years ago rakaat Keef [TS]

  you know broke the barrier let's let's [TS]

  talk about this stuff would you you know [TS]

  would you clean let's just say like well [TS]

  there's a fine example from the earlier [TS]

  commercial let's say that a member of [TS]

  your family ate a hot dog with ketchup [TS]

  on it on your plate would you wash that [TS]

  plate with a dry paper towel yank you [TS]

  better give it a quick swipe and then [TS]

  just put it back in the cab of dry paper [TS]

  towel and then put that in the couch on [TS]

  other other countries think that we are [TS]

  monstrous well I think that date well [TS]

  you know what save it God might have [TS]

  been a canary in the coal mine actually [TS]

  do you think about it they might have [TS]

  been on something I sent you to this [TS]

  page on the form ax toilet technology [TS]

  site boy they got trademarks on [TS]

  everything yeah so you checked out the [TS]

  the various different models they got [TS]

  white label versions of this toilet you [TS]

  know a different place to take at the [TS]

  Heritage they got the astute the esteem [TS]

  and optum they in the Ultima they seem [TS]

  to all be the same toilet they look [TS]

  exactly the same and there's but there's [TS]

  a different name for the one at lowe's [TS]

  and a different name for the one at home [TS]

  depot see it's like my mattress is [TS]

  exactly the rack addresses yeah the [TS]

  esteem mmm exclusively at Lowe's you [TS]

  know what I'll bet somebody's going to [TS]

  come along and disrupt the toilet [TS]

  industry and i'll be i'll be selling [TS]

  toilets on this podcast within a year I [TS]

  think you might be on to something you [TS]

  think about you think about the [TS]

  disruptions in industry you can have [TS]

  silver Underpants you could get you get [TS]

  yourself an internet mattress all right [TS]

  there's so many of these new [TS]

  kinds of services you could get like a [TS]

  box full of socks internet eyeglasses [TS]

  internet I glass is huge but there still [TS]

  is still a big a big Pole if you like [TS]

  waiters waiting to be filled with [TS]

  internet toilets so what would that be [TS]

  now what are you going to be the first [TS]

  of all it's got to be affordable it's [TS]

  got to come an impossibly small box and [TS]

  engineered in America it'll be in the [TS]

  toilet arrives you can carry up the [TS]

  stairs by yourself you slit open the [TS]

  package it goes and in the toilet comes [TS]

  to life it's probably Wi-Fi enabled it's [TS]

  got push notifications if you know what [TS]

  I mean you know what know why fight you [TS]

  probably get it on the Wi-Fi first and [TS]

  it it hmm I was gonna suggest he'll get [TS]

  up to your ear oh yeah I was going to [TS]

  suggest that it have a camera but that's [TS]

  not right I'm here so how I think it [TS]

  would because you don't want a camera on [TS]

  the toilet I'm gonna say when it comes [TS]

  with an app that you put on your phone [TS]

  and then it can use your phone camera [TS]

  and you just point it at your old toilet [TS]

  and it it it'll do like a okay here's [TS]

  the water hookup and whatever and then [TS]

  oh right it'll just install itself yeah [TS]

  I got you know I wouldn't I wouldn't say [TS]

  it's not going to happen because people [TS]

  people are interested in technology [TS]

  there are things in my home right now [TS]

  that are unnecessarily complex technical [TS]

  technological products I could never [TS]

  have imagined owning like existing let [TS]

  alone owning ten years ago yeah you know [TS]

  you know and a lot of things start out [TS]

  as jokes and everybody thinks it's a [TS]

  joke and then it becomes you know [TS]

  becomes a real thing you know like some [TS]

  of the gags in back to the future when [TS]

  they went into the future you know and [TS]

  now yeah you know you've got these [TS]

  things you know like the hoverboards and [TS]

  whatnot you we laugh about it but you [TS]

  wait and see you wait and see if these [TS]

  internet toilets if they won't let you [TS]

  take one right out on the deck hello [TS]

  wheels on it and you can just lock it'll [TS]

  detect when you sit down and then to [TS]

  lock the wheels so you're not sliding [TS]

  around while you're while you're doing [TS]

  your business I think it have to slide [TS]

  unlock because you don't want everybody [TS]

  just using your patio toilet right right [TS]

  I mean save something for me yeah it's [TS]

  funny like we'd mentioned you know for [TS]

  example we might want to talk [TS]

  voice stuff that that voice stuff to me [TS]

  is just one example of many things where [TS]

  like it is funny where we are right now [TS]

  with voice and I have to admit I'm a [TS]

  little bit obsessed with voice stuff and [TS]

  what it portends for the future for [TS]

  worse or mostly better in my opinion but [TS]

  it is very interesting to live at this [TS]

  time where you can kind of have your [TS]

  feet in these these two different sides [TS]

  of the creek or on the one hand it is [TS]

  incredible what you can do with your [TS]

  voice but it is also incredible how [TS]

  terrible it is so much of the time we [TS]

  are really we are living through a very [TS]

  interesting transition now something [TS]

  like Wi-Fi I was just think about this [TS]

  the other day like I'm trying to [TS]

  remember when I first had exposure to [TS]

  Wi-Fi and I think I remember becoming a [TS]

  biggie a big deal around the time i [TS]

  first went to the etek the emerging [TS]

  technology conference would make that [TS]

  probably 2002 and there's the no cat [TS]

  guys and was such a big deal and I had [TS]

  like I think an Orinoco card for my wall [TS]

  street laptop you know stuck outside [TS]

  could get the impossibly slow and that [TS]

  seemed like it seemed like a parlor [TS]

  trick like why don't you just want to [TS]

  just plug in ethernet John right like [TS]

  what are you supply an ethernet for this [TS]

  thing it's like well no no there's this [TS]

  new thing and it's even get your [TS]

  internet through the air and my first [TS]

  experience with that had been on a palm [TS]

  7 I think would be my first like really [TS]

  like kind of connected device I think [TS]

  number at palm 7 it was huge and had [TS]

  that big-ass antenna yeah I was about to [TS]

  say is that the one with the big game [TS]

  tenant like a cigar a cigar denied ever [TS]

  antenna coming out the side or the time [TS]

  and it was if memory serves it was very [TS]

  costly very slow very limited it was [TS]

  essentially like you know whap style [TS]

  functionality but it was on your ass on [TS]

  your palm pilot I well so it seemed [TS]

  amazing it was a breakthrough though [TS]

  because laptops in general were a [TS]

  premium computing device they were far [TS]

  more expensive than the equivalent [TS]

  horsepower was a rich man's device a [TS]

  rich trance device but really all it was [TS]

  effectively was a way to move your [TS]

  computing and it the big advantage to it [TS]

  was that the cloud was no we're back [TS]

  then we didn't even have clouds we don't [TS]

  have clouds so if you wanted your stuff [TS]

  in two different places like work and [TS]

  home or you know work and a road trip [TS]

  you needed to take the device with you [TS]

  but you would just move from one like [TS]

  work stay [TS]

  Shin set up desk to another where you [TS]

  already had things like an Ethernet jack [TS]

  ready to go like you couldn't yeah [TS]

  anywhere using apps it was a big deal [TS]

  when you first got these like fairly [TS]

  they're nerdy but it was like basically [TS]

  a GUI to like our Sangha where you go [TS]

  like put them on the same network and [TS]

  say okay these two folders make sure [TS]

  they match like that's pretty much the [TS]

  extent of it but the idea that you could [TS]

  just you know move from the kitchen [TS]

  counter to the kitchen table and no [TS]

  longer be within arm's length of the [TS]

  wall where the Ethernet port is was [TS]

  ludicrous and last you were going to do [TS]

  something like just you know whatever [TS]

  you do with the computer when it's not [TS]

  connected to an Internet that seems so [TS]

  strange now right yeah yeah um I think [TS]

  the voice stuff it is it's it's early [TS]

  days but early days in a far less [TS]

  technical way than the computers the [TS]

  text based computers of our youth but [TS]

  there's an analogy there right and [TS]

  obviously the technology that's involved [TS]

  to just have the most rudimentary yo [TS]

  dingus what's the weather and have a [TS]

  thing that within however many seconds [TS]

  it is to recognize the speech and turn [TS]

  it into a command and then go out and [TS]

  get weather data for the location that [TS]

  you're at is obviously it would have [TS]

  taken like a TI 99 for a like it would [TS]

  if it either say you had a perfectly [TS]

  working program that could do that for [TS]

  that program it would still be running [TS]

  right now like 37 years later still not [TS]

  quite done yet so there's a total [TS]

  difference in terms of the just like [TS]

  just pure bits per second of computation [TS]

  that's involved to get it but there's [TS]

  some similarities in the crudeness of of [TS]

  how these things work in a way that like [TS]

  a command line environment you've got to [TS]

  know the exact right command to delete a [TS]

  file right if you're on my boss you have [TS]

  to type del wasn't it del for delete del [TS]

  space filename and on unix it was RM you [TS]

  couldn't just type trash this file you [TS]

  right merit and it's the same way with [TS]

  voice you've got to know these you know [TS]

  you gotta say there are door especially [TS]

  the thing is what you um such a common [TS]

  theme that comes up again and again or [TS]

  are these trade-offs they were just [TS]

  talking about this on ATP like they [TS]

  always do but you know the kind of [TS]

  trade-offs where for example if you want [TS]

  your air pause to do more stuff will be [TS]

  careful what you ask for because they [TS]

  are they're very streamlined right now [TS]

  they're good at this thing that they do [TS]

  mostly yeah i mean i wish like the serie [TS]

  on air pods is pretty slow yeah it's too [TS]

  slow like I yeah it's not mean and I [TS]

  guess we'll talk more about this but I I [TS]

  have been really just to you know one [TS]

  thing I've been doing is I mentioned [TS]

  this on other programs but I've been [TS]

  making myself from Friday evening [TS]

  through as much as possible of Saturday [TS]

  I've been trying to set myself to using [TS]

  voice for everything that I can in lieu [TS]

  of other things and if I can't yeah go [TS]

  use the computer or whatever but like [TS]

  try to be mindful for about a one day a [TS]

  week of trying to figure out more stuff [TS]

  that I can and possibly should do with [TS]

  voice and it has been very illuminating [TS]

  I mean not least of which you learn how [TS]

  much stuff is really not ready yet but [TS]

  there's a surprising amount of stuff and [TS]

  I mean the MacGuffin here is that you [TS]

  know by making yourself do this and [TS]

  being mindful about it just for this [TS]

  period of time you know you remember to [TS]

  try stuff more and if you try it and it [TS]

  doesn't work you might say well then [TS]

  what's the incantation right so like [TS]

  with you know as far as these trailer so [TS]

  just to get dial that's one reason I'm [TS]

  so obsessed but with Alexa good sorry [TS]

  with the lady in a tube I get an email [TS]

  every friday from amazon it's like well [TS]

  here's this new stuff that it does and [TS]

  it's you know frequently as stuff like [TS]

  hey i asked about cricket or whatever [TS]

  but then other times if there is really [TS]

  legitimately a pretty amazing stuff to [TS]

  enable a lot of that you got to get into [TS]

  skills and once you get into skills now [TS]

  you're getting more into what you're [TS]

  describing as being with the command [TS]

  line because you go from just being able [TS]

  to issue a raw command to basically [TS]

  hailing a skill inside and then knowing [TS]

  what the mojo is inside of there but [TS]

  honestly it's not it's not that that [TS]

  difficult all right this morning I see [TS]

  via friend Joe steel I see now you can [TS]

  if you have prime now available in your [TS]

  area you can order prime now over your [TS]

  lady in a tube [TS]

  so like I just I talked to my tube this [TS]

  morning I said hey tube reorder cat [TS]

  litter it said okay here's this recent [TS]

  thing in your order for cat litter is [TS]

  that the one you want yeah okay that's [TS]

  not enough money do you want to add [TS]

  anything else to it yeah sure add that [TS]

  so I don't know I ie I guess I just feel [TS]

  like in order in order to like sort of [TS]

  I'd say keep up but to really have some [TS]

  kind of a foothold and where stuff is [TS]

  going you know I can understand why [TS]

  people are reluctant to use this stuff [TS]

  for so so many reasons but I really kind [TS]

  of feel like if you want to be somewhat [TS]

  forward-looking and modern about what's [TS]

  happening you really can't afford to [TS]

  totally overlooked this and write it off [TS]

  as silly Buck Rogers stuff it's getting [TS]

  better at a noticeable clip and it's it [TS]

  still is terrible but yeah right but [TS]

  when something and computing is terrible [TS]

  but you can see it getting better if you [TS]

  just pay attention month to month you [TS]

  know it's going to get good soon and if [TS]

  you're you're going to miss out on all [TS]

  the it's all the interesting stuff is [TS]

  going to happen between now and then [TS]

  like once it's good and everybody takes [TS]

  it for granted it's no longer [TS]

  interesting right everything seems [TS]

  impossible or dumb until it's something [TS]

  you're using every day and you go we'll [TS]

  of course that's that's always been how [TS]

  we how it is all right you noticed last [TS]

  night I think were you on that thread [TS]

  last night where somebody mentioned that [TS]

  suddenly out of nowhere was it Michael [TS]

  yeah I think it was my son our friend of [TS]

  the show Michael Heilmann well and he [TS]

  points something out that like is [TS]

  definitely like a known problem that has [TS]

  suddenly been fixed other people like no [TS]

  it's always been this way in my house [TS]

  you goes in my house if you say hey [TS]

  dingus but like it's like five different [TS]

  things light up right so if I say hey [TS]

  dingus so here's here's the thing that I [TS]

  say most to a dingus all the time hey [TS]

  dingus remind me to take out the pasta [TS]

  in eight minutes hmm but whip up and [TS]

  suddenly oh there's all these Scottish [TS]

  ladies talking all at the same time like [TS]

  trying to remind me about pasta [TS]

  apparently they just pulled in Amazon [TS]

  echo and they seem to be using what [TS]

  proximity because I tested it last night [TS]

  and it it works in a way like it's not [TS]

  doing firing multiple devices anymore [TS]

  its fires multiple devices does you see [TS]

  a blank on the screen but only lost one [TS]

  says I got it in hand [TS]

  that's exactly right so now finally my [TS]

  stupid watch is like slightly usable cuz [TS]

  I'll be two rooms away from any other [TS]

  iOS device screaming into my watch to [TS]

  please hear me it never hears me and in [TS]

  the other room you're like I want a San [TS]

  Francisco is like ah but that's that [TS]

  kind of advancement I mean that sounds [TS]

  subtle sounds dumb but like that kind of [TS]

  stuff you're right it's happening faster [TS]

  dictation continues to be getting so [TS]

  much better now a used to never send [TS]

  texts that way I mean once you learn the [TS]

  incantation of hey dingus and tell john [TS]

  gruber kiss my house like once you learn [TS]

  the incantation of how to do that it [TS]

  really does kind of just work I don't [TS]

  understand how this is working node like [TS]

  here's one chase gallagher jumped in to [TS]

  the Twitter thread and said it's not [TS]

  just I cloud-connected his work phone [TS]

  and personal phone are not linked in any [TS]

  way and only one will trigger I don't [TS]

  understand how that's working I guess [TS]

  like I should try it with I haven't [TS]

  experimented with this because this is [TS]

  like you said it is something that Apple [TS]

  obviously improved but yeah it's got it [TS]

  has to have been I'm gonna stay on the [TS]

  outside within the last two weeks I'm [TS]

  feeling like within the last few days [TS]

  very new like I should put like like me [TS]

  and my wife's iPhones right next to each [TS]

  other and see how this works and how it [TS]

  decides which one to use fast you have [TS]

  multiple do multiple amazon dinguses no [TS]

  just one amazon dingus well we are i [TS]

  have to admit a multiple dingus house [TS]

  and Amazon's had this for I don't know [TS]

  month or more and it really it works [TS]

  unevenly but well yeah meaning like if [TS]

  I'm an earshot of three different ladies [TS]

  in a tube I can see the ring the blue [TS]

  ring fires off you know that's a cool [TS]

  thing where you can see where it thinks [TS]

  The Voice is coming from so yeah [TS]

  something fires off joe jonas pointed [TS]

  that out to me and then once I only [TS]

  figured this out like two months ago [TS]

  that it's saying here's where I think [TS]

  the voices it's pointing at you yeah but [TS]

  I could see two or three different [TS]

  dinguses fire off its kind of uneven [TS]

  which one ends up doing the execution [TS]

  but it it doesn't it will not execute [TS]

  more than one at a time but I don't know [TS]

  if this is something that again they [TS]

  talked about the Sun ATP recently and I [TS]

  was totally in Syracuse's corner over [TS]

  saying like it's hard [TS]

  describe this until you really do start [TS]

  using it it's very very abstract until [TS]

  you kind of set yourself to the task of [TS]

  doing this you become less [TS]

  self-conscious about it you try more [TS]

  things you do more stuff and so if I'm [TS]

  forever just walking around adding [TS]

  things to like a shopping list to wear [TS]

  now I feel like a monster having to sit [TS]

  down and type that it feels really silly [TS]

  i use ifttt to sync up my amazon lists [TS]

  with my reminders so do you do that no [TS]

  it's pretty cool we just go die FTT and [TS]

  you basically say when a new on when a [TS]

  new item is added to my amazon shopping [TS]

  list add that to this reminders list and [TS]

  in what anything I mean like the iOS [TS]

  reminders app or not the Apple reminders [TS]

  Apple yeah exactly yeah that's actually [TS]

  pretty powerful so that and then if [TS]

  you're a super nerd you know you don't [TS]

  have to be like Federico vtg level nerd [TS]

  but you can also do stuff like then say [TS]

  like hook you can hook that up with for [TS]

  example OmniFocus right so when you add [TS]

  something to that list the next time you [TS]

  open OmniFocus tits it sucks it out of [TS]

  that list or you know to do a store [TS]

  whatever you like to use but yeah I [TS]

  don't know I don't know I hits I have [TS]

  this I have this theory about this that [TS]

  I have yet to prove and I haven't given [TS]

  it that much thought but somebody [TS]

  written into back to work to ask us [TS]

  about like oh god is this the future is [TS]

  the future going to be like people in my [TS]

  office talking into Excel and I was like [TS]

  my I know I I kind of don't think it is [TS]

  because I kind of feel like there's [TS]

  these parts to the voice thing that you [TS]

  don't get if all you see is somebody [TS]

  being a dingus and talking into the air [TS]

  the voice is one part the voice yeah [TS]

  that's the parlor trick but it's but [TS]

  what's behind the voice right it's that [TS]

  I don't know what you want to call it [TS]

  the functionality the scripting in some [TS]

  cases the AI or machine learning [TS]

  whatever it is but that middle layer of [TS]

  what it does with what heard if it heard [TS]

  it well what it does with that that's [TS]

  maybe the important part and then the [TS]

  third part is the ubiquity so I mean I [TS]

  have this idea that I'm kind of bubbling [TS]

  around which is that I wonder if voice [TS]

  ends up historically being the least [TS]

  important part of that stack voice voice [TS]

  is the parlor trick that's fun to use [TS]

  but I think that you the idea of that [TS]

  kind of ubiquitous availability first [TS]

  did you follow where I'm going with this [TS]

  like I don't think you're gonna have to [TS]

  talk into Excel i think that there's [TS]

  been more [TS]

  more bespoke remote devices that do your [TS]

  bidding without you needing to know how [TS]

  to do our M dash are all right hold that [TS]

  thought hold that thought because I want [TS]

  to keep going with this but i want to i [TS]

  got a break in here i told you about by [TS]

  an eye glasses online will look oh come [TS]

  on it really is it's a friend warby [TS]

  parker they make buying my glasses [TS]

  online easy and risk-free they believe [TS]

  glasses should be viewed as a fashion [TS]

  accessory just like a bag shoe necktie [TS]

  hat I mean how many pairs of shoes do [TS]

  you have you have one pair of shoes why [TS]

  world with joining of one pair of [TS]

  glasses well the reason some people [TS]

  would because they cost hundreds of [TS]

  dollars well guess what warby parkers [TS]

  glasses start at just $95 including the [TS]

  prescription lenses they don't give you [TS]

  a crazy upsell just on anti glare and [TS]

  anti-scratch they give you the anti [TS]

  glare in the anti scratch by default [TS]

  because who doesn't want them no upsell [TS]

  on that crap and for every pair of [TS]

  glasses you buy they send a pair to [TS]

  someone in need around the world people [TS]

  who've got need eyeglasses but they're [TS]

  there you know can't afford them warby [TS]

  parker takes care of them it's a free [TS]

  try at home program you go to their [TS]

  website they've got I don't know at [TS]

  least 100 pairs of glasses probably more [TS]

  tons of them any style you can imagine [TS]

  you will pick up to five that you like [TS]

  they send them to you for free with like [TS]

  dummy lenses in them and you can like [TS]

  put them on see what they look like on [TS]

  your face no obligation to buy you [TS]

  haven't given them any money yet it [TS]

  ships for free they give you the label [TS]

  to send it back if you like one or more [TS]

  of the ones you just say okay here I [TS]

  like this one I like this one you give [TS]

  me your prescription info they've got [TS]

  like a little trick to measure like the [TS]

  distance between your eyes you hold like [TS]

  a standard credit card up in front of a [TS]

  webcam or something like that and they [TS]

  can measure and because you know you [TS]

  there's little tricks like that to get [TS]

  the glasses to be just right because I [TS]

  got to know how far apart your pupils [TS]

  are they do it right there with a camera [TS]

  you don't go to a store you don't waste [TS]

  any time on stuff like that totally free [TS]

  to try these things at home you pick the [TS]

  ones you like and they start at just 95 [TS]

  bucks and then they show up in like a [TS]

  couple of days it's a great system [TS]

  they've got sunglasses you can get [TS]

  prescription sunglasses they come with [TS]

  polarized lenses etc etc [TS]

  UV protection and remember every single [TS]

  pair that you buy includes a pair of [TS]

  glasses that they distribute to people [TS]

  in need go to Warby Parker calm / the [TS]

  talk show Warby Parker calm / the talk [TS]

  show and don't know you came from the [TS]

  show great stuff I think the sunglasses [TS]

  are a good gateway drug like if you're [TS]

  not ready to like let go of your [TS]

  artisanal small-batch glasses that you [TS]

  bought your tiny little Helvetica [TS]

  glasses like start with sunglasses [TS]

  because you if you need glasses you [TS]

  could really benefit from prescription [TS]

  sunglasses you know these guys have [TS]

  gotten into a detail now too there's a [TS]

  they have a retail shop here that just [TS]

  opened here in Philly a couple weeks ago [TS]

  right down the street from like the [TS]

  apple store like you know like the [TS]

  premium model district right I think [TS]

  maybe arguably literally within a [TS]

  stone's throw of the apple store there [TS]

  so that there's a Warby Parker you can [TS]

  go into i have i've walked down either [TS]

  you could ever get a toilets they send [TS]

  you four or five toilets to your house [TS]

  you try them out you send back the ones [TS]

  you don't want they might do that they [TS]

  might might be why they got the retail [TS]

  space you know i mean so you can you [TS]

  know go in there and have a seat try try [TS]

  it out for yourself yeah so I everything [TS]

  like we used to could we just got the [TS]

  apple store to check their email right [TS]

  now maybe you go in there athena test [TS]

  out the merchandise here's my theory on [TS]

  the voice uh computers have conquered [TS]

  tasks that the interfaces that have been [TS]

  available have been acceptable to a [TS]

  useful for so we did spreadsheets and [TS]

  word processing first because at at the [TS]

  very earliest years of computing the [TS]

  only thing we really had were literally [TS]

  we only had text-based displays and we [TS]

  had keyboards and those are two things [TS]

  that that with nothing but a text based [TS]

  display and a keyboard they were [TS]

  actually way better than what came [TS]

  before it right but you could do things [TS]

  like you put all these numbers into your [TS]

  spreadsheet and get an answer for what [TS]

  your budget would be and then you know [TS]

  somebody says well what if instead of [TS]

  ten percent growth we only have five [TS]

  percent growth what happens all of a [TS]

  sudden you say so you start with an [TS]

  electronic it's an electronic analog for [TS]

  something in the physical world but with [TS]

  this added functionality it what [TS]

  computers have always been good at is it [TS]

  when they I take off is doing things [TS]

  that that used to be mundane and make [TS]

  saving us tons of time and you have that [TS]

  you know it's even a relatively simple [TS]

  spreadsheet in pre spreadsheet days if [TS]

  somebody said let's say what happens if [TS]

  we only have five percent growth instead [TS]

  of ten percent growth but that number [TS]

  percolates down to 20 different things [TS]

  beneath it it takes two seconds in a [TS]

  spreadsheet to make that change and it [TS]

  would take a couple of minutes of math [TS]

  error prone hand arithmetic it you know [TS]

  previously word processing word [TS]

  processing let people who were writing [TS]

  documents make changes without bringing [TS]

  whiteout and making a mess of the paper [TS]

  and significant changes like moving [TS]

  paragraphs around or deleting entire [TS]

  chunks without retyping like I would [TS]

  probably I think there's a good chance [TS]

  that if I had been born fifty years [TS]

  earlier I still would have been a writer [TS]

  of some sort but I I would have been an [TS]

  angry writer because I think I always [TS]

  would be angry at the rewriting in high [TS]

  school I used to have to do it I had a [TS]

  typewriter in high school I didn't have [TS]

  a computer so we had there was a there's [TS]

  a one of the history teachers in my [TS]

  college was infamous for always she's [TS]

  very very tough to read or very tough [TS]

  critic tough teacher and she would [TS]

  invariably send back people's papers [TS]

  everybody's got their paper sent back [TS]

  and I had he had to make changes on it [TS]

  and she would you know mark it up and [TS]

  you'd have to retype any page that had [TS]

  more than three corrections on it you [TS]

  would have to read redo the page so you [TS]

  gotta retype that beige and it was a big [TS]

  correction guess what your retyping at [TS]

  least two paper because it would [TS]

  overflow right exactly yeah I mean and [TS]

  that's a radical change if you really [TS]

  think about I know that there's [TS]

  youngsters out there who've never had to [TS]

  do this and you think oh that sounds bad [TS]

  but it was it was in practice it was [TS]

  worse it was worse than you're imagining [TS]

  because it really just felt like [TS]

  busywork and that's what computers have [TS]

  been good at but I feel like for things [TS]

  like Excel we don't there's no need for [TS]

  voice for that we ought you know the [TS]

  existing input methods are better i [TS]

  think the voice stuff totally agree the [TS]

  voice stuff is entirely for stuff where [TS]

  voice is a better a better interface [TS]

  than then keyboard you know typing or [TS]

  something like that well my response to [TS]

  that listener i did one of those turns [TS]

  out knock on Gladwell things because i [TS]

  was like oh first of all you know i [TS]

  don't think i don't think that is the [TS]

  best way to interact but the bigger [TS]

  question now I got my futurist had on [TS]

  the bigger question is how many of us [TS]

  will have jobs where we use Excel into [TS]

  like that that's you know if you're [TS]

  really thinking about this stuff nothing [TS]

  I'm any scholar on this but that's let's [TS]

  think bigger than where we are now we've [TS]

  got to quit thinking about things as [TS]

  slighted iterations on what we're [TS]

  willing to admit has changed about what [TS]

  we understand and start looking instead [TS]

  it like what is the trend line for this [TS]

  and and we know where does that end up [TS]

  amidst all these other kinds of things [TS]

  but so so how much do you use voice [TS]

  day-to-day now I use it frequently but I [TS]

  use it for the same handful of things [TS]

  over and over and over and over again [TS]

  are you a dictator I do i do dictate so [TS]

  if that i think that should count so i [TS]

  definitely dictate like I messages I [TS]

  absolutely do because it's it's I can [TS]

  dictate faster than I can type and it's [TS]

  active in more than a sentence if you're [TS]

  typing more than two sentences just put [TS]

  a clock on it it'll blow your mind even [TS]

  accounting for the time to fix small [TS]

  errors it's so much faster than typing [TS]

  and for the most part of the people who [TS]

  i'm texting it said you know again a [TS]

  handful of people you it's either my [TS]

  wife my son or a close personal friend [TS]

  and if it makes a homonym error I often [TS]

  will just let it slide because I think [TS]

  it's funny you know if you know if I say [TS]

  it's AI don't know that the the produce [TS]

  selection is a real Horror Show and it [TS]

  comes out it comes out with horror or a [TS]

  horse show I was or something like what [TS]

  I'll look the truth is like on my iPad [TS]

  I've got these the small iPad pro and [TS]

  the truth is dictation on there [TS]

  especially on Wi-Fi for certain kinds of [TS]

  things like you know paragraph link [TS]

  things like you know i would i would [TS]

  challenge people to actually try this [TS]

  because here's the thing for me if i'm [TS]

  laying in bed like an animal typing with [TS]

  my thumbs i will very frequently be [TS]

  doing stuff like hitting the comma and [TS]

  breaking this word in half for some dumb [TS]

  reason or i meant to hit i meant to hit [TS]

  a and i hit capital like there's these [TS]

  same three or four typing mistakes I [TS]

  make constantly on devices and you don't [TS]

  get that instead you get funny funny [TS]

  homonyms but so dictation do you do a [TS]

  lot of like little task do you remind [TS]

  do you do setting meetings and stuff [TS]

  like that no not calendar but I have a [TS]

  lot of meetings but I'll do reminder [TS]

  sing I'll say you know add such and such [TS]

  to my shopping list I feel like on with [TS]

  the iOS voice function coffee the I'm [TS]

  trying to avoid triggering [TS]

  trying to avoid triggering [TS]

  thanks um that I think that's the [TS]

  gateway drug you what is the is like hey [TS]

  dingus remind me to bring up the laundry [TS]

  when I arrived at the house in two hours [TS]

  right because there's a lot to that I [TS]

  mean you do get a reminder it's on your [TS]

  reminder list that's good by itself [TS]

  it'll go off in two hours no matter what [TS]

  but like if you're in the Geo fenced [TS]

  area earlier it goes off as well I don't [TS]

  know how many people know that and it's [TS]

  really as simple as saying that thing if [TS]

  you want to get started with your iphone [TS]

  in particular I think that's that's a [TS]

  pretty good place to start not great for [TS]

  controlling music on air pots I've got [TS]

  to say but a good way to you know get [TS]

  you started well I think it would be if [TS]

  the latency word were solved it's it's [TS]

  too much of if there's too much of a [TS]

  pause between when you double tap the [TS]

  air pod and when the assistant kicks in [TS]

  it's my fantasy for the air pods is it [TS]

  gets something like I know this is [TS]

  impossible at this point but that on one [TS]

  side there's something like I know this [TS]

  sounds crazy but there's something like [TS]

  a impossibly small touchpad that's you [TS]

  know like the size of you know half [TS]

  centimeter but something that you could [TS]

  press on that you could tap or push and [TS]

  it has a little bit of slide ability so [TS]

  you could like for example I know that's [TS]

  nuts but it'd be pretty cool if you [TS]

  could hit that dingus tap it twice you [TS]

  get Siri you hit it once for example and [TS]

  if you slide backwards or forwards it [TS]

  would be volume like something like that [TS]

  would be dynamite but probably out of [TS]

  scope at that price yeah I love my air [TS]

  putts I really do I brave about I it's [TS]

  my favorite new apple thing in a long [TS]

  time if i didn't knew so much more than [TS]

  I expect I do too I expected to like [TS]

  them but I actually love them and but I [TS]

  fully acknowledged that part and parcel [TS]

  of using them is the fact that there are [TS]

  certain things that the old ten-dollar [TS]

  wired well I know apple sold them for [TS]

  twenty nine dollars but you know the old [TS]

  killed right included in the box wired [TS]

  ones we're way better at way better like [TS]

  like double-clicking to go to the next [TS]

  track and it's it's a little bit like [TS]

  we're back to the truck in the car in [TS]

  some ways though we're for that matter [TS]

  voice were like this will not make sense [TS]

  until you use it and when you use it you [TS]

  will have no problem [TS]

  during about when other headphones are a [TS]

  better choice it's not I mean you're not [TS]

  you know for what just the wireless [TS]

  thing is dynamite if I'm just going to [TS]

  do dishes and just want to like have a [TS]

  little break and do dishes and listen to [TS]

  a podcast cuz I mean what's going to [TS]

  happen I mean the worst i have to do I [TS]

  reach down I grab my pocket and I hit [TS]

  the volume on my pocket to bring it up [TS]

  or down but you know if you're going to [TS]

  be traveling for a long time what you [TS]

  know also turns out they do if you [TS]

  include the time of the battery pack [TS]

  little Tic Tac holder like you get [TS]

  pretty good battery out of these things [TS]

  it's gonna be fine it's not that many [TS]

  occasions never run at least 450 I have [TS]

  never met me neither and when I think [TS]

  I've ever gotten below eighty percent i [TS]

  don't know but i've gotten i've gotten [TS]

  close we're not not even close but I've [TS]

  gotten to the point where i get like a [TS]

  warning or something or i don't i [TS]

  somehow notice and i just absent-minded [TS]

  leads put the air pods case on in a [TS]

  lightning cable and it's fixed I don't [TS]

  know the battery life is amazing on them [TS]

  and i have to say i had the two hundred [TS]

  ninety nine dollar beats ones um forget [TS]

  what they were called but they're ones [TS]

  with the little you know under the chin [TS]

  cable and i liked them enough that they [TS]

  were my main headphones for I don't know [TS]

  eight nine months or something like that [TS]

  but they were I was constantly running [TS]

  out of battery life on them surprise at [TS]

  surreal a moment's yeah like that case [TS]

  that case is brilliant like I hate and I [TS]

  love your tip your little YouTube video [TS]

  i use your tip all the time for getting [TS]

  them out that's the way to do it you [TS]

  should tell people is it really good [TS]

  i'll put it in the show notes show you [TS]

  well yeah i have to plug in your [TS]

  Ethernet right after plugging it let me [TS]

  take another break here and thank what i [TS]

  say i was gonna put in the show notes my [TS]

  video oh yeah your uh your stanley [TS]

  kubrick earbud video video air pod video [TS]

  all right there it is in the show notes [TS]

  I want to take a break that I got to [TS]

  thank another great sponsor I have their [TS]

  product I own it I think they sent it to [TS]

  me i don't think i don't think i paid [TS]

  for it i don't even remember but i would [TS]

  buy it and in fact i'm going to buy more [TS]

  it is a fantastic product i adore it it [TS]

  is a suitcase from a company called a [TS]

  way I've got the overhead one [TS]

  it's it's simply a great suitcase it is [TS]

  it is made with premium German [TS]

  polycarbonate it looks like you could [TS]

  throw it off the top of building and it [TS]

  would be fine it has four wheels the [TS]

  wheels are almost too good there's a [TS]

  there's a terminal in the philadelphia [TS]

  airport where to get to the the gates [TS]

  that i always have to go to for whatever [TS]

  reason every time I fly my gate at every [TS]

  Airport I go to in North America is [TS]

  always at the end of the terminal I [TS]

  never ever ever get one of those gates [TS]

  but at near the hub always at the end [TS]

  and at the philly terminal c theirs is a [TS]

  downhill slope like once you get past [TS]

  like gate c 20 and it's it's downhill [TS]

  the the wheels are so good on the away [TS]

  suitcase that it like the thing wants to [TS]

  run away from you it's got 4 360 degrees [TS]

  spinner wheels they are super smooth [TS]

  great wheels a TSA approved combination [TS]

  lock built under the top to prevent that [TS]

  is that great are these TSA you know and [TS]

  it's the best you can do though it's [TS]

  better than nothing right it's you know [TS]

  what's it's it's nice that it's built in [TS]

  and I've got one of these and I love it [TS]

  it's built in so you don't have to do [TS]

  that thing that I always do which is oh [TS]

  great I've got a lock and I lost against [TS]

  and all of my luggage has a lock on it [TS]

  that I can't exactly and then you know [TS]

  you just put your combination in your [TS]

  one password or whatever you use and you [TS]

  know it won't you won't forget it but [TS]

  here's the kicker the kicker is that [TS]

  they build in all that all that by [TS]

  itself by itself you got yourself into [TS]

  basically and if I stop and the prices [TS]

  are great right there the prices are [TS]

  great ah but here's the thing they built [TS]

  into the top of the case like a really [TS]

  get how many mega amps but a big battery [TS]

  and there's two USB ports one of them is [TS]

  the like the 55 watt like for a phone [TS]

  and the other one is like a 15 watt or [TS]

  something like that for like iPads or [TS]

  whatever or anything that can charge [TS]

  faster and so all you need then to [TS]

  charge your phone when you're at the [TS]

  airport you don't have to go around [TS]

  hunting for a seat at the airport near [TS]

  socket because guess what you know [TS]

  they're already taken they're taken [TS]

  there's because there's like one most [TS]

  North American airports have to wall [TS]

  sockets in the entire Airport yeah so [TS]

  you just makes you know charge your suit [TS]

  card your suitcase uh yeah when you get [TS]

  back you back to your room so you run [TS]

  off your staircase you get back to your [TS]

  room and we go to sleep at night you [TS]

  charge your suitcase like a gentleman it [TS]

  has so much power that like you could [TS]

  charge your suitcase before you go on [TS]

  your trip charge your phone at the [TS]

  airport go somewhere on the way back [TS]

  plug the USB n again and it still has a [TS]

  charge to charge up your phone while [TS]

  you're sitting there waiting for your [TS]

  flight I test I tested it and gave up [TS]

  after three charges of an iphone it it's [TS]

  just yeah no I mean it's it's got at [TS]

  least it I would say very safely at [TS]

  least two I don't want to oversell this [TS]

  because I don't speck in front of me but [TS]

  you you will definitely be able to [TS]

  charge up your stuff on good it's a big [TS]

  ass like Julian like you and a friend or [TS]

  spouse or a child whatever Zack I like [TS]

  having portable battery chargers when I [TS]

  travel but like I liked there's like a [TS]

  balancing act with a real portable [TS]

  charger where you want one that's like [TS]

  small enough that I get put it in your [TS]

  pocket it doesn't look like you've got a [TS]

  costanza wallet but on the other hand [TS]

  the ones that are kind of slim don't [TS]

  really they give you like an extra like [TS]

  fifty percent on your battery a suitcase [TS]

  even a small overhead suitcase plenty of [TS]

  space for a battery that will charge [TS]

  your stuff it is a brilliant idea it is [TS]

  really great and the prices are super [TS]

  great they have great prices because [TS]

  they sell direct so here's where you go [TS]

  go to away travel.com away travel calm / [TS]

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  remember that promo code talk show when [TS]

  you check out and guess what you save an [TS]

  extra twenty bucks off your first order [TS]

  20 bucks right in your pocket for a [TS]

  great suitcase with great stuff inside [TS]

  it's it's well organized super rugged [TS]

  great wheels but the battery charger is [TS]

  the kit is the killer feature my thanks [TS]

  to await trial good product ma'am here's [TS]

  the thing I keep saying this if you have [TS]

  a voice assistant and you hired somebody [TS]

  you hired you know a real live person [TS]

  you know kid right out of college to [TS]

  just follow you around and do stuff for [TS]

  you and you could say things like you [TS]

  know let's say that the kid's name is [TS]

  dingus you'd say hey dingus what's the [TS]

  score of the north carolina game and [TS]

  then dingus would you know look it up on [TS]

  a phone or whatever and then tell you [TS]

  the score of the game well that's [TS]

  already slower then you know the [TS]

  computers are better at that sort of [TS]

  stuff than having a [TS]

  but the flipside is that the computers [TS]

  will make errors that no human being [TS]

  even if you hired like a drunk no no [TS]

  human assistant would ever make some of [TS]

  the boneheaded errors that that the [TS]

  computer assistance make so for example [TS]

  i have i have two contacts named Amy one [TS]

  of them is my wife and I text her [TS]

  probably more than every other person in [TS]

  the world combined and then there's a PR [TS]

  person who works at a technology company [TS]

  who have had contact with maybe five [TS]

  times in years and sometimes when I say [TS]

  hey dingus text Amy blah blah blah it [TS]

  usually it just knows to send it to my [TS]

  wife but every once in a while it'll say [TS]

  which amy and but you really don't wanna [TS]

  get that wrong no you don't you don't [TS]

  want to get it wrong uh but it and I so [TS]

  I understand being careful and I'd [TS]

  rather have that likewise just your [TS]

  point partly being like why isn't that [TS]

  why has not figured this out yet well [TS]

  it's not why hasn't it I understand it [TS]

  it's a hard problem to figure out my [TS]

  point though is more that the bar is set [TS]

  at the common sense of a human being and [TS]

  that's okay right it's we need to judge [TS]

  these things by the bar that bar of [TS]

  common sense that if I tech if I had a [TS]

  human assistant and said tell Amy I'm [TS]

  going to be late and I'll let her know [TS]

  soon how late I'll be there's zero [TS]

  percent chance that that assistant isn't [TS]

  going to know exactly who I'm talking [TS]

  about that's a good point like a worst [TS]

  assistant I could hire someone who I'm [TS]

  like hey hey dingus tell yourself you're [TS]

  fired it just randomly picks the first [TS]

  Amy knowing knowing that your wife is [TS]

  named Amy it just randomly picks the [TS]

  first time you finds in the rolodex even [TS]

  an assistant who I'm so upset with their [TS]

  performance that I'm about I'm looking [TS]

  to replace them or you know let them go [TS]

  is going to get that right right uh um [TS]

  this is not your point is very well [TS]

  taken just for what it's worth [TS]

  practically to be well actually guy two [TS]

  ways I get around that are by naming [TS]

  relation [TS]

  ships hmm and by so you could say hey [TS]

  dingus yeah imaging Gruber is my wife I [TS]

  had seen it dingus knows that and I know [TS]

  I can't say text my wife that but it [TS]

  never comes out naturally I feel like [TS]

  part of the interaction I know part of [TS]

  the interaction with these things is [TS]

  that it you I think that they work best [TS]

  or feel like they work best like maybe [TS]

  the stopwatch would tell you there's no [TS]

  difference but the cognitive load is so [TS]

  much less if you don't really have to [TS]

  think about it in the formal how do i [TS]

  officially want to do this if I just say [TS]

  what's on the top of my head it always [TS]

  comes out as a me it never comes out as [TS]

  my wife right but it did the frustrating [TS]

  part I mean I would never call her my [TS]

  wife in a normal I'll life yeah yeah [TS]

  it's like borat right but you're like [TS]

  but it's almost eighty percent of the [TS]

  way there and that it can do that with [TS]

  the part that is frustrating to me and [TS]

  yeah I know it's a hard problem it is [TS]

  frustrating me though that like for [TS]

  example when it first miss here's you [TS]

  sometimes it will say like okay I didn't [TS]

  understand that name to pronounce that [TS]

  for me and it like wow that's really [TS]

  interesting you suddenly get really [TS]

  smart sometimes and now you want to [TS]

  learn how something is pronounced that's [TS]

  really cool but then another times like [TS]

  if you have exactly two people with the [TS]

  name Amy in there it is amazing how much [TS]

  of the time it'll say which Amy do you [TS]

  want to send it to like and seems to me [TS]

  like by the fifth or 40th time that has [TS]

  happened it kind of seems like it should [TS]

  figure out that like well it's always [TS]

  this one Amy yeah you know um what about [TS]

  looking let me ask you looking I don't [TS]

  want drag on I know got to do a shorty [TS]

  today but like you notice differences [TS]

  and how your kid uses it cuz like [TS]

  something I learned from other from [TS]

  people with kids our kids are your kids [TS]

  older than mine mine's 9 yours is 13 yep [TS]

  sure God the Cirque uses got kids that [TS]

  are actually I think 9 and 13 yeah um [TS]

  dictation this is just what my kid does [TS]

  she's real good at the ipad she's real [TS]

  good at finding stuff on google she's [TS]

  you know really yeah she's just great on [TS]

  the ipad but she would prefer to do [TS]

  everything with dictation she tries to [TS]

  do corrections to what she missed typed [TS]

  with dictation and like Syracuse and me [TS]

  we talk about this later ives you [TS]

  bananas you want to tear it out of your [TS]

  hand just go type like a person with [TS]

  your thumbs [TS]

  but like I think that's very telling [TS]

  that the kids really get the voice thing [TS]

  in a way that it feels exotic and slow [TS]

  to us well it makes sense to them the [TS]

  distances to hear could do that uh not [TS]

  so much with the iphone as far as I can [TS]

  tell he's mostly he tapper with the [TS]

  iphone but doesn't really his text [TS]

  messages are incredibly short often a [TS]

  single emoji usually just a word or two [TS]

  but where he really takes to voice is [TS]

  with the Apple TV he had a sleepover in [TS]

  a friend sleep over saturday night and I [TS]

  mean a must have spent 90 minutes just [TS]

  laughing hysterically telling apple TV [TS]

  to play I know goofy songs i've never [TS]

  heard of but you know but they did [TS]

  everything by voice it was all just [TS]

  hitting the mic button and asking Apple [TS]

  TV 2 apple music whatever to play a [TS]

  bunch of goofy songs that I wasn't [TS]

  familiar with but it was like 90 minutes [TS]

  of uproarious laughter all through the [TS]

  mic button on Apple TV we had I think I [TS]

  mentioned this last time we had a [TS]

  sleepover with seven girls 7 3rd grade [TS]

  girls I don't know what we were thinking [TS]

  and the I mean 77 and oh boy what you [TS]

  want to learn a little bit about [TS]

  politics have seven the third-grade [TS]

  girls sleep at your house because the [TS]

  first everybody's in a room and then [TS]

  everybody's in different rooms and [TS]

  there's crying and there's [TS]

  reconciliations and it's like one big [TS]

  sad game of diplomacy where everybody's [TS]

  right in orders in the hallways and but [TS]

  boy the the Amazons echo were a big fun [TS]

  feature I learn stuff from some of the [TS]

  kids like I guess I didn't know the [TS]

  thing about how you can tell it you know [TS]

  it's the real thing where designers of [TS]

  San Francisco haha right haha right [TS]

  right right right oh god yes yeah yeah [TS]

  they're like just one Cosmo short of a [TS]

  fistfight so you learn stuff about the I [TS]

  did I yeah I guess I knew but forgot the [TS]

  thing about telling you know what's the [TS]

  song that goes my mind is clear now at [TS]

  last all too well I can see like and [TS]

  then it'll play like you know Jesus [TS]

  Christ Superstar or whatever yeah that's [TS]

  that's great but you know there i guess [TS]

  i'm trying to get out i don't mean i'm [TS]

  not i'm not trying to be like you know [TS]

  Kevin Kelly or something here I'm not as [TS]

  smart as Kevin Kelly but I'm just saying [TS]

  like look to what these people are doing [TS]

  they're not weird and dumb like they're [TS]

  figuring this out and we might be the [TS]

  weird ones at this point you know so [TS]

  yeah I don't know but then there's still [TS]

  so many holes I mean I'd like to your [TS]

  point so I have to admit it's such a [TS]

  bitch it's not even hold surely dated it [TS]

  challenged um okay I would just say it's [TS]

  not holes I think it's more like we're [TS]

  still in a canyon and we've built a few [TS]

  plateaus it's mostly hole I think yeah I [TS]

  somebody I remember first in the early [TS]

  days in 80s describing windows as being [TS]

  like this system where like you'd be in [TS]

  this in this beautiful office building [TS]

  on the 13th floor of this beautiful [TS]

  office building only sometimes you'd [TS]

  open a door and fall down a mine shaft [TS]

  to the ground floor you just get dropped [TS]

  into das out of nowhere sometimes like [TS]

  what happened with a computer go and you [TS]

  know i think that's that's still the [TS]

  case here so i did this I did this other [TS]

  show called due by Friday where we give [TS]

  each other a challenge every week and I [TS]

  the challenge I gave my coast this week [TS]

  was to try what I'm doing which is try [TS]

  doing this voice thing and we'll see how [TS]

  that goes but I've also the side [TS]

  challenge and this was to start keeping [TS]

  track of the stuff that drives you [TS]

  bananas about using your voice so if [TS]

  you're ready to lock your keys inside [TS]

  the car inside of another car instead of [TS]

  another car my first thing I did was say [TS]

  I said something along lines of hey [TS]

  dingus dingus make a new note called [TS]

  bitch cuz I thought cousin what do I [TS]

  want to be able to do i want to say hey [TS]

  dingus add this effing thing doesn't [TS]

  work to my bitch note and of course what [TS]

  happens Siri goes oh merlin your [TS]

  language is so saucy and like no dingus [TS]

  so I had to go to manually create no [TS]

  call bitch because it refused to do [TS]

  anything with it cuz I thought I was [TS]

  being a saucy boy but you know and of [TS]

  course that's the first thing on the [TS]

  list now is that you know that Siri [TS]

  chides me sometimes for how I choose to [TS]

  name things but now you're right you're [TS]

  right i mean it's it is early days but [TS]

  demand me to monopolize your show with [TS]

  voice stuff no it's just do feel like [TS]

  it's pretty easy to write once you get [TS]

  to the age the people like we are it [TS]

  becomes very easy to just write off huge [TS]

  swathes of stuff by going like a whole [TS]

  like you know Douglas Adams thing of [TS]

  like you know stuff that was created [TS]

  before you were 30 [TS]

  is dependable stuff creating your 30s is [TS]

  like yeah cool anything after that is [TS]

  dangerous I don't want to be that guy I [TS]

  don't want to be the guy I always [TS]

  thought this like I don't want to be the [TS]

  guy who is now mid 40s and as really [TS]

  strong opinions about the way computers [TS]

  are which I am and who dismisses the new [TS]

  things like the guys who dismissed the [TS]

  Macintosh when it came like I [TS]

  specifically towards a toy fur it's a [TS]

  toy for rich boy I remember very [TS]

  specifically a reading a jhansi Dvorak [TS]

  column from like 19 85 or 86 or [TS]

  something like that where his his [TS]

  argument against the Macintosh and why [TS]

  it was doomed to failure was that real [TS]

  people doing real work want to kick back [TS]

  in their chairs and put their feet on [TS]

  their desk and put their keyboard on [TS]

  their lap and therefore they can't use [TS]

  the mouse and that that one of those [TS]

  hats it wit card it says press and [TS]

  that's exactly how he was banging out [TS]

  the column that I was reading was with [TS]

  his feet on his desk in the diff Davis [TS]

  offices in San Francisco and how in the [TS]

  world am I ever going to use a mouse you [TS]

  know this thing is doomed I don't want [TS]

  to be that guy with voice I really don't [TS]

  even though I'm frustrated with it in a [TS]

  lot of ways and I see a lot of problems [TS]

  with it and I see people using it for [TS]

  things where I'm like oh my god you [TS]

  could totally do that better the old way [TS]

  but I totally see that it's the new [TS]

  thing that's coming I know we gotta go [TS]

  soon I gotta squeeze in I got squeeze in [TS]

  another message from a friend though and [TS]

  it's it yeah please by all means what [TS]

  I'm I something you like well it's [TS]

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  get them off the little phone screen [TS]

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  but do it now in March do it just pick a [TS]

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  whoever you've got for Mother's Day [TS]

  there love it there's nothing you can [TS]

  buy them that will make them happier [TS]

  than photos of their family but do it [TS]

  now because if you wait until goes you [TS]

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  it's not a last minute gift do it now [TS]

  put it somewhere and then when you think [TS]

  like oh crap it's Mother's Day you've [TS]

  got nothing left to do except go buy a [TS]

  card and some flowers or whatever the [TS]

  type of stuff you can do it the last [TS]

  minute but you've got a killer gift [TS]

  right there ready to go trust me i got i [TS]

  got to work i got a workflow for you if [TS]

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  easy this is what their site is a joy to [TS]

  use it's so easy to you come mothers day [TS]

  you're gonna you're gonna be thinking [TS]

  about John and Marilyn and you're going [TS]

  to think John and Marilyn did me right [TS]

  do it ah anything else you want to talk [TS]

  about I you know people probably think [TS]

  what we've got two or three hours left [TS]

  on the show but we don't were done [TS]

  normally we do we had to jam this one in [TS]

  because your gut you know what I could [TS]

  do what I I'm in a tight spot a [TS]

  two-parter [TS]

  I man in tight spot recording-wise I've [TS]

  got to squeezing these shows on the rare [TS]

  days when there aren't contractors [TS]

  upstairs banging banging holes in the [TS]

  walls that house we're about to move out [TS]

  of it so anyway it's it's it's a long [TS]

  sad story and it makes it hard to do a [TS]

  podcast but uh well I probably can't hmm [TS]

  do our follow-up we'd like to do from [TS]

  our November up nah that's too much too [TS]

  deep too deep but I I don't want to bust [TS]

  a gut but I would just like to say [TS]

  sincerely thank you to everybody who [TS]

  responded to that episode that is maybe [TS]

  the most response I have ever gotten [TS]

  there without questioning me I mean I'm [TS]

  not a say i'm not i'm talking about you [TS]

  include the talk where I cried you [TS]

  include that thing I wrote on the thing [TS]

  like I we got so much heart felt kind [TS]

  responses from people on a day that was [TS]

  very difficult for both of us and for a [TS]

  lot of people I just want to say thank [TS]

  thank you for the opportunity to do it [TS]

  honestly and thank you to everybody who [TS]

  continues to send nice notes about that [TS]

  I still remember this morning 3 minutes [TS]

  in how many minutes into that episode [TS]

  what if for anybody who's not familiar [TS]

  the day after the election was it the [TS]

  day after the morning the morning after [TS]

  the election which Merlin and I both [TS]

  took pretty hard we recorded an episode [TS]

  of the show about it but without trying [TS]

  the purpose was to sort of talk our way [TS]

  through this and talk anybody else who [TS]

  was upset through this in a way that was [TS]

  you can't quite say a political but [TS]

  eight nonpartisan not strictly part it's [TS]

  not strictly partisan and it at some [TS]

  point a few minutes into this show you [TS]

  said way this is this holiday party it [TS]

  it wasn't all you were aware at first [TS]

  doesn't know what it reminded me of the [TS]

  holiday party episode that you did with [TS]

  danna time ago we told the story of [TS]

  losing your driver's license ID and is I [TS]

  could tell you were having a holiday [TS]

  party I was having a holiday party was [TS]

  that a continuation of the previous [TS]

  night's honey pie right yeah I took it I [TS]

  took the election very hard tonight I [TS]

  mean obviously I was I was I was sober [TS]

  enough at one point to make arrangements [TS]

  with you to do a show that I stayed [TS]

  I really tried to drink away that [TS]

  election and then they were you know is [TS]

  one of the you know maybe enough to [TS]

  drink where I woke up and it was still a [TS]

  significant portion of the fuel coursing [TS]

  through my veins we're trying to scoop [TS]

  up everybody but you know sometimes [TS]

  you're gonna miss me and I you know I [TS]

  might have thought to myself you know if [TS]

  any time it's there's a Wednesday where [TS]

  you can have an eye opener maybe this is [TS]

  the Wednesday yeah that's your day yeah [TS]

  daddy's day but it did and I you were [TS]

  right and all joking aside we got a [TS]

  tremendous amount of wonderful heartfelt [TS]

  feedback immediately and it lasted [TS]

  though that like into January and even [TS]

  it still pops up every once in a while [TS]

  now where people will say you know I've [TS]

  listened to that episode six times and [TS]

  I've never done that with a podcast [TS]

  before and it's like that's crazy [TS]

  there's only so many people who said [TS]

  like I couldn't listen to it for a month [TS]

  because they were stay were so they were [TS]

  having their own dark month of the soul [TS]

  right and they and then they were like I [TS]

  listened to it and it you know doesn't [TS]

  make you feel better but it makes you [TS]

  feel a little different you know I know [TS]

  maybe a little different and a lot of [TS]

  people said liked it made me feel like I [TS]

  wasn't alone I'm not crazy yeah so [TS]

  anyway this is luckily all that settled [TS]

  now everything's running like a top it's [TS]

  like I'm really like a well-oiled [TS]

  machine every day every day every day [TS]

  okay so one of the worst things I've [TS]

  done in the last few months is one of my [TS]

  friends i'd do that show with max Temkin [TS]

  he he has this list of people's [TS]

  political US political people and [TS]

  reporters and i started following much [TS]

  to my peril i started following this [TS]

  fucking list and it's just unraveled my [TS]

  entire life because I spent so much time [TS]

  again Philippa flipper flipper and [TS]

  tweetbot looking at this thing is this [TS]

  is a twitter-like stood in other words [TS]

  yeah if you go to max Temkin at mex temp [TS]

  can look at his list you'll see his us [TS]

  politics list and it's actually it's a [TS]

  good way like that's how I've learned [TS]

  about like I'm Molly Haberman I Malloy [TS]

  and all these people that I really [TS]

  follow like seven boys funny he's very [TS]

  funny so anyway but it seems like pretty [TS]

  much every Monday and a lot of most [TS]

  other days someone announces this is it [TS]

  and I gotta get away from this one this [TS]

  is it this is the worst day that the [TS]

  Republican [TS]

  and it has had set there's no this is [TS]

  there's piss no way done dunzo this is [TS]

  it and then he come back the next day [TS]

  you go you know what today he had the [TS]

  worst day release the kraken when do we [TS]

  get to see the piss video I want to know [TS]

  in a lot of ways you have to laugh it's [TS]

  hard because there aren't some there are [TS]

  some real-world consequences you know 22 [TS]

  oh my goodness environmental policy to [TS]

  Don hella Merkel her face oh look you're [TS]

  not really you're not gonna shake my [TS]

  hand dude you're standing like I'm where [TS]

  the last liberal democracy left your [TS]

  there were a couple of moment watch the [TS]

  whole thing there there were two moments [TS]

  there was the big do you want to shake [TS]

  hands and he's just look at his feet and [TS]

  then there was the moment where they [TS]

  were standing at the podiums side by [TS]

  side that was in the the the the [TS]

  handshake that didn't happen was in the [TS]

  Oval Office right never they had they [TS]

  had the press conference at the at the [TS]

  dueling podiums and and Trump when it [TS]

  was asked about his question about [TS]

  wiretapping yeah this spurious claim [TS]

  that obama had wiretapped him turn to [TS]

  her and made a joke instead maybe we've [TS]

  got something in common they're [TS]

  referring to one of the most difficult [TS]

  moments of the entire Obama [TS]

  administration when it when it I think [TS]

  it was a Snowden Yeah right that that uh [TS]

  did we been you know what did she [TS]

  snapped her neck on a double take you [TS]

  could not fake rocky like she's it it [TS]

  she was a good girl right not because [TS]

  she wasn't aware me to say that it's so [TS]

  something it was not supposed to be [TS]

  talked about it was as though so it was [TS]

  like a trumpet brought up toilet [TS]

  splatter was the look on Angela Angela [TS]

  Merkel's face when he he brought up [TS]

  maybe we've got something together [TS]

  something something million all the [TS]

  German reporters the German reporters [TS]

  are like are like in some kind of a Hans [TS]

  Christian Andersen book with like uh why [TS]

  do you keep saying things that you know [TS]

  aren't true and America's like wow there [TS]

  wow that's really brave did you see that [TS]

  the hair is the the reporter who asked [TS]

  that question she has become like a [TS]

  celebrity in Germany simply because of [TS]

  her she's like a modern folk here right [TS]

  because she just flatly asked him mr. [TS]

  president why do you smile you continue [TS]

  and repeatedly say things that you know [TS]

  aren't true you think we'll be back here [TS]

  in four months with the same situation [TS]

  if we didn't know God forgot God willing [TS]

  if you and I visit again here on your [TS]

  program thank you for having me you [TS]

  think you do I think trumbull silly [TS]

  balls just can this continue yeah I i [TS]

  think it's i think one of the things [TS]

  that to me is very obvious was that this [TS]

  was going to be a disaster a complete [TS]

  disaster but i think it was i also [TS]

  thought it's going to be unpossible to [TS]

  predict how and I think that's [TS]

  completely coming out I don't think [TS]

  anybody is quite called the way that [TS]

  that this has gone bad uh I right I [TS]

  think there's a good chance that he [TS]

  doesn't that he doesn't make it I think [TS]

  there's a good chance that he gets to a [TS]

  point where he's like it resides but I [TS]

  feel like four months from now is [TS]

  probably not soon enough we had me back [TS]

  I will i would love to him what do you [TS]

  think do you think I mean it's assigned [TS]

  a real horse meeting evil force an [TS]

  immovable object type situation people [TS]

  have one part of this one part that's [TS]

  always seemed plausible to me honestly [TS]

  is that I don't think he really wanted [TS]

  this job I think he wanted to win right [TS]

  but I don't think he wanted the job I [TS]

  mean so it's always been plausible to me [TS]

  that knowing that he is a bit of a wild [TS]

  card and likes his life a certain way I [TS]

  mean just you know first put in [TS]

  principles Clarice like he does not like [TS]

  being in Washington where he goes [TS]

  freakin golfing every weekend in a [TS]

  different state like that's there's this [TS]

  job is not suited to his personality why [TS]

  so many executive orders he likes to [TS]

  autograph things and be photographed [TS]

  that kind of thing he's good at what [TS]

  like he likes that and he likes he likes [TS]

  the rallies and the stuff like that but [TS]

  I don't I think to say he's going to get [TS]

  bored what I think would be a little [TS]

  dismiss [TS]

  but I don't think he likes this job I [TS]

  don't think he gets to be the kind of [TS]

  person he wants to be in this job he [TS]

  wants to be liked by people and he wants [TS]

  to golf a lot I mean he basically wants [TS]

  to be a retiree who does a volunteer job [TS]

  he doesn't want to do this job I think [TS]

  if he can get to a point where in in his [TS]

  own world view and in the world view of [TS]

  the people who still are crazy for him [TS]

  yeah if he can declare that he's made [TS]

  America great again and it did took far [TS]

  less time than anybody ever expected and [TS]

  then he can just just walk off into that [TS]

  you know my job is done America's great [TS]

  again pensee here can clean up you know [TS]

  can can dot the i's and cross the t's I [TS]

  think that he but I think he's guy think [TS]

  he'd he'd have to you know figure out a [TS]

  way that he and at this point he can't [TS]

  say that yeah hasn't done anything no [TS]

  but Vicky the other angle is like you [TS]

  think about his even more common theme [TS]

  nowadays it's how undermined he is yeah [TS]

  by by by the media and by these [TS]

  perfidious Republicans and like [TS]

  basically he's he's not he's he's a [TS]

  person who isn't sure what to do in the [TS]

  absence of a clear enemy so you know I [TS]

  the other guy I agree with you the if he [TS]

  could maaga to his if you can pound sign [TS]

  maaga in a way that he can claim victory [TS]

  sure and the other thing is though he [TS]

  might be able to like you know set his [TS]

  own personal Reich's Reichstag fire he [TS]

  might self-immolate and say like oh you [TS]

  know the dishonest media and the you [TS]

  know failing New York Times everybody's [TS]

  undermined me so like I could do better [TS]

  work like going and creating my own TV [TS]

  network right like then that I could [TS]

  affect some real change in this world [TS]

  yeah he needs a weenie CC it is curious [TS]

  he does need an enemy like it's very [TS]

  clear and and I just saw I didn't watch [TS]

  all that can't take him in large doses [TS]

  but I saw that he had a campaign rally [TS]

  and and the fact that it did 60 days in [TS]

  the office he's holding campaign rallies [TS]

  for an election that was my daughter my [TS]

  daughter keeps saying he knows he won [TS]

  right like I think he knows he won it's [TS]

  still all about Hillary Clinton well the [TS]

  election was five months ago all [TS]

  yeah and yes and and and his his his [TS]

  rally a night or two ago in in kentucky [TS]

  i think it was in Louisville was was [TS]

  about Hillary Clinton and he said and he [TS]

  said something to the effect of we're [TS]

  going to protect the Second Amendment [TS]

  what's going to be in such good hands [TS]

  and it wouldn't be if a certain someone [TS]

  else had won this election and it this [TS]

  election is so it was sort of like in [TS]

  the present tense it's like dude that [TS]

  was five months ago like that is Hillary [TS]

  Clinton's out water on woods god bless [TS]

  her I love her but this election like [TS]

  this guy is is crazy at you know in [TS]

  terms of his need to have an enemy so I [TS]

  don't know I don't see it check back in [TS]

  and check back in in July yeah I think [TS]

  so we need a holiday party I need some [TS]

  Brazilian stick [TS]