The Accidental Tech Podcast

214: Christmas Phone


00:00:00   maybe you can switch to maybe maybe you [TS]

00:00:02   have sufficient girth to do a one-legged [TS]

00:00:04   thing where like instead of putting a [TS]

00:00:05   lot of talk on both legs can it can it [TS]

00:00:07   can it sit on one leg you could have one [TS]

00:00:09   laptop on each leg you would do a [TS]

00:00:11   wielding cool I think we're all set so I [TS]

00:00:16   have notes on everything that happened [TS]

00:00:18   but I didn't check the notes in the [TS]

00:00:19   doctor okay yes your own personal notes [TS]

00:00:23   well guess what I have notes shared [TS]

00:00:25   notes follow up you of course you do we [TS]

00:00:29   can breathe we can breeze through it [TS]

00:00:31   these are all quick oh why don't you [TS]

00:00:33   again Marco into a long tangent about [TS]

00:00:36   your deep 20-minute feelings in each one [TS]

00:00:38   of these items we can get through it [TS]

00:00:40   shots fired its gonna be like that I [TS]

00:00:41   would like you to listen to recent [TS]

00:00:43   episodes and see what percentage of [TS]

00:00:46   follow-up items IE MIT a single word [TS]

00:00:48   about yeah but it just takes one it only [TS]

00:00:51   takes one it gets you going and that [TS]

00:00:53   becomes half the show anyway we can get [TS]

00:00:57   through this quickly because marco is [TS]

00:00:58   not interested oh my god every time you [TS]

00:01:00   say that all that means is everyone is [TS]

00:01:02   looking at the chapter mark to see where [TS]

00:01:04   the first stop it begins look at the [TS]

00:01:06   chapter markers just just listen to the [TS]

00:01:07   show just be just experienced the show [TS]

00:01:09   be in the mom be the show be in the [TS]

00:01:12   moment alright so Stephen Empson rights [TS]

00:01:13   in case nobody mentioned turns out turns [TS]

00:01:15   out the Wii U gamepad had less display [TS]

00:01:18   lag than most TVs and we'll put a couple [TS]

00:01:20   links in the show notes John you're the [TS]

00:01:22   only one of us with wii u i believe so [TS]

00:01:24   you want to tell us about this I think [TS]

00:01:25   John's the only one with a wii u yeah [TS]

00:01:27   very well maybe yeah it was last week [TS]

00:01:30   where I was saying that I like to use [TS]

00:01:32   the gamepad for Mario Kart because it [TS]

00:01:34   felt like there was actually less live [TS]

00:01:35   than a TV which seems crazy because it [TS]

00:01:37   is wirelessly sending video to the thing [TS]

00:01:39   so i actually i had read this article [TS]

00:01:40   back when I came out I just forgot about [TS]

00:01:42   because I'm old apparently it's measured [TS]

00:01:46   to be about 33 milliseconds of lag for [TS]

00:01:48   the video on the Wii U gamepad which [TS]

00:01:50   sounds like a lot until you realize that [TS]

00:01:52   TVs especially TVs that are either not [TS]

00:01:54   in game mode or can't get into a decent [TS]

00:01:57   game mode that where they turn off all [TS]

00:01:59   the image processing the input lag for [TS]

00:02:01   TVs especially if you went through a [TS]

00:02:02   receiver and then through a TV can be up [TS]

00:02:05   to like 100 milliseconds so I wasn't [TS]

00:02:07   imagining it [TS]

00:02:09   it is very likely that my complete TV [TS]

00:02:11   set up as configured at the time i was [TS]

00:02:13   doing this is actually slower than using [TS]

00:02:15   the wii u gamepad itself so good job [TS]

00:02:17   Nintendo I minimizing that lag bad job [TS]

00:02:19   whole rest of the AV industry on having [TS]

00:02:21   horrendous leg input lag for television [TS]

00:02:24   set ups what's the mechanism that the [TS]

00:02:27   video is being broadcasted gamepad is [TS]

00:02:28   that like a private Wi-Fi or something [TS]

00:02:30   yeah I think it's like an h.264 stream [TS]

00:02:33   over wireless thing I think the prior [TS]

00:02:36   Terry I don't think it is just like [TS]

00:02:38   liberal Wi-Fi but I don't know actually [TS]

00:02:39   so it could be like a is an airdrop like [TS]

00:02:42   a peer-to-peer thing that's kind of [TS]

00:02:43   stood up just in the moment and then [TS]

00:02:45   destroyed after you transfer the file or [TS]

00:02:47   files or something like that maybe it's [TS]

00:02:49   maybe it's one of those sort of [TS]

00:02:50   scenarios who knows mm-hmm fair enough [TS]

00:02:52   right in this in the interest of speedy [TS]

00:02:54   follow-up for the first time ever tell [TS]

00:02:56   us what happened with your Zelda HUD [TS]

00:02:57   playing zelda as everybody knows and [TS]

00:03:01   Zelda does have a HUD so is every pass [TS]

00:03:04   Zelda game they always have something on [TS]

00:03:05   the screen that's showing like a little [TS]

00:03:07   mini map or like Skyward Sword had this [TS]

00:03:09   giant honking picture of the wiimote [TS]

00:03:11   which you could turn off and I did turn [TS]

00:03:13   off a little status indicators a breath [TS]

00:03:16   of the wild has the traditional line of [TS]

00:03:18   hearts in the upper left hand corner and [TS]

00:03:20   the lower right it's got a little [TS]

00:03:21   circular map thing and some other little [TS]

00:03:22   icons underneath the hearts it has a [TS]

00:03:24   couple of other items that appear as you [TS]

00:03:27   progress through the game don't want to [TS]

00:03:29   spoil anything for people problem with [TS]

00:03:31   those items is that they are white much [TS]

00:03:33   of the time one hundred percent [TS]

00:03:34   completely opaque white and my TV hates [TS]

00:03:37   that and so after playing breath of the [TS]

00:03:39   wild friday now 20 or 30 hours i noticed [TS]

00:03:42   i'm getting into retention in the upper [TS]

00:03:43   left corner for the white items luckily [TS]

00:03:46   breath of the wild has a HUD option [TS]

00:03:47   which i saw when i first start playing [TS]

00:03:49   the game because of course being a nerd [TS]

00:03:51   i always go into all the options first [TS]

00:03:52   before starting anything and they called [TS]

00:03:55   they call it the pro HUD which turns off [TS]

00:03:58   basically everything except for your [TS]

00:03:59   hearts and i said well i don't want to [TS]

00:04:01   turn everything off it's a pretty [TS]

00:04:03   minimal HUD to begin with it's very [TS]

00:04:04   minimal very pushed off to the side so [TS]

00:04:06   it's nice but and i like seeing the [TS]

00:04:07   thing someone were useful like [TS]

00:04:08   interesting the compass direction and [TS]

00:04:09   stuff like that so i left and on that [TS]

00:04:11   turned out to have been mistakes now i'm [TS]

00:04:13   using the pro HUD which only shows [TS]

00:04:14   hearts the hearts are one hundred [TS]

00:04:16   percent britt red and opaque so they are [TS]

00:04:18   causing some heart-shaped image [TS]

00:04:19   retention in the upper left but they do [TS]

00:04:21   vary a little bit as you [TS]

00:04:22   take damage at the very least and one [TS]

00:04:24   hundred percent red is much better than [TS]

00:04:26   hundred percent white so I'm not kicking [TS]

00:04:28   Zelda off my TV yet and moving it to the [TS]

00:04:30   to the the gaming monitor or anything I [TS]

00:04:33   think I'm just going to accept the [TS]

00:04:35   amount of image pension because I know [TS]

00:04:36   from our destiny experiment that yes you [TS]

00:04:39   will get image retention but it is not [TS]

00:04:41   permanent if you're merely wait a year [TS]

00:04:42   it will go away and someone is [TS]

00:04:44   suggesting that I get OLED oh let also [TS]

00:04:46   has image retention guess what you know [TS]

00:04:49   if you had brought a TV with a proper [TS]

00:04:52   technology that doesn't have image [TS]

00:04:54   retention this would have been a lot [TS]

00:04:55   easier but no you had to have you had to [TS]

00:04:57   have the blackest black sand the dark [TS]

00:04:59   you stop saying even LCDs have image [TS]

00:05:01   retention mine has it mine has it worse [TS]

00:05:03   yeah well and and vibrant colors like [TS]

00:05:06   seriously on my gaming monitor it is [TS]

00:05:08   such an incredible difference in what [TS]

00:05:10   the game looks like compared to what it [TS]

00:05:11   looks like on tv and breadth of the [TS]

00:05:12   while it's the type of game they want to [TS]

00:05:13   experience and if there's not a lot of [TS]

00:05:15   HUD in breadth of the wild it is [TS]

00:05:16   actually pretty darn minimal so I want [TS]

00:05:18   to see the full rich experience and to [TS]

00:05:20   get the 5.1 surround sound with just [TS]

00:05:22   they don't take that much advantage of [TS]

00:05:23   what the speakers are better anyway I'm [TS]

00:05:24   not kicking it off yet we'll check back [TS]

00:05:26   in next week fair enough Carsten Weiss [TS]

00:05:29   maybe vice rights in to talk about [TS]

00:05:32   high-end desktop processors which I [TS]

00:05:34   really don't care that much about so [TS]

00:05:36   money you can take this this is in [TS]

00:05:38   reference to be asking Oh a shelf if [TS]

00:05:40   Intel makes any processors that are not [TS]

00:05:43   Zeon's that have more than four cores [TS]

00:05:44   that in theory could be used in an iMac [TS]

00:05:46   and Marco said no and a lot of people [TS]

00:05:49   tweeted that actually they make these a [TS]

00:05:51   bunch of processors within decipherable [TS]

00:05:52   numeric alphanumeric names that have 10 [TS]

00:05:55   cores and eight cores and six scores and [TS]

00:05:57   other people trying done on Twitter to [TS]

00:05:58   say actually those are basically two [TS]

00:06:00   Zeon's rebranded and rename but without [TS]

00:06:02   ECC ram and different chipsets that [TS]

00:06:04   require them either way it seems like [TS]

00:06:06   however you want to slice it there are [TS]

00:06:09   other options that are not the same as [TS]

00:06:12   the processors in the mac pro that Apple [TS]

00:06:13   could put in the imac if we wanted to so [TS]

00:06:16   maybe if they make an imac pro instead [TS]

00:06:18   of having a xeon in there they could [TS]

00:06:20   have one of these in between easy on [TS]

00:06:22   things which would be kind of cruddy [TS]

00:06:24   because i really want ECC ram so I from [TS]

00:06:26   you know if I'm going to pay for an imac [TS]

00:06:28   pro but anyway I'll buy whatever they [TS]

00:06:29   put out because what the hell choice do [TS]

00:06:31   I have yea sorry I'm going to talk to [TS]

00:06:34   Sean during follow-up [TS]

00:06:36   this is the x 99 series that people keep [TS]

00:06:39   talking about I honestly don't know much [TS]

00:06:40   about it I had it in the back of my mind [TS]

00:06:42   and just forgotten about it but it seems [TS]

00:06:44   like if if you're going to go to the [TS]

00:06:47   trouble of having a very expensive [TS]

00:06:50   processor that puts out a lot of heat [TS]

00:06:52   and needs a big socket and everything [TS]

00:06:53   else like why not just use eons at that [TS]

00:06:56   point like I bet the engineering [TS]

00:06:58   constraints and cost constraints and [TS]

00:07:00   everything else around using these is [TS]

00:07:03   probably not that different from just [TS]

00:07:04   using Zeon's in the first place which is [TS]

00:07:06   probably why apple doesn't just put one [TS]

00:07:08   of these in an imac Jason Breckenridge [TS]

00:07:10   rights in to say more about the mac pro [TS]

00:07:13   a macro delay is likely due to wait for [TS]

00:07:17   AMD to produce something that they can [TS]

00:07:18   leverage to get intel xeon prices down [TS]

00:07:21   that seems bold to me but anyway he [TS]

00:07:24   continues margins are everything in Tim [TS]

00:07:26   Cook's Apple not sure how you can know [TS]

00:07:28   that but I'll continue especially for [TS]

00:07:29   low-volume products maybe I don't know [TS]

00:07:31   what do you guys I put this in here for [TS]

00:07:34   not to address it directly but just for [TS]

00:07:36   the larger issue because it's [TS]

00:07:41   interesting to me that the three of us [TS]

00:07:43   on this show seemed to all come to a [TS]

00:07:46   sort of no I'm going to say unspoken [TS]

00:07:48   agreement but chances are we spoke about [TS]

00:07:50   it because we talked about the knife bro [TS]

00:07:51   a lot agreement that there is no new Mac [TS]

00:07:54   Pro coming and yet when I see people [TS]

00:07:57   like when listeners right in or tweet or [TS]

00:08:00   whatever there is still a contingent out [TS]

00:08:02   there that is on a different page than [TS]

00:08:04   we are that they believe that there is a [TS]

00:08:07   delay like the Mac but there is a mac [TS]

00:08:09   pro delay the new Mac Pro is coming and [TS]

00:08:12   maybe i'm wrong but do we all basically [TS]

00:08:13   do the three of us like obviously we [TS]

00:08:15   don't know we're just guessing right but [TS]

00:08:16   do we all kind of agree there is no new [TS]

00:08:20   mac pro coming in in the terms that we [TS]

00:08:22   understand it to be basically like a [TS]

00:08:23   thing that you buy from apple that is [TS]

00:08:26   their their fastest computer that [TS]

00:08:27   doesn't have a screen attached to it I [TS]

00:08:29   don't know your your the yearly what [TS]

00:08:33   you're the one holdout I mean I think [TS]

00:08:34   Marco agrees right yeah pretty much I've [TS]

00:08:38   been on the page for a while that just [TS]

00:08:40   like there is no new Mac Pro coming and [TS]

00:08:42   all I'm thinking of is low you know in [TS]

00:08:44   the way that we understand it I'm I'm a [TS]

00:08:45   hundred percent pinning my hopes on and [TS]

00:08:48   I'm [TS]

00:08:48   mac pro at this point but the mac pro [TS]

00:08:50   like so many people right into talked [TS]

00:08:51   about what do we think the next Mac Pro [TS]

00:08:53   is going to be and what might be [TS]

00:08:54   delaying the next Mac Pro and I feel [TS]

00:08:55   like writing back saying I I've lost my [TS]

00:08:58   faith like I what what new Mac Pro what [TS]

00:09:01   are you even talking about it's there is [TS]

00:09:03   no new Mac Pro the rebel never will be a [TS]

00:09:05   new mac pro except for something [TS]

00:09:08   different than in terms of yet again and [TS]

00:09:10   when I say it I'm talking about a box [TS]

00:09:12   that you buy that doesn't have a monitor [TS]

00:09:13   built into it from apple that is their [TS]

00:09:15   fastest computer I think that's that's [TS]

00:09:17   gone yeah i mean like all right like [TS]

00:09:19   i've been using this imac since 2014 [TS]

00:09:21   because it it just fit my overall [TS]

00:09:25   desires better like I really wanted [TS]

00:09:27   retina like I desperately want a desktop [TS]

00:09:30   retina and I thought for years that it [TS]

00:09:33   was it was further away and so and then [TS]

00:09:35   when they released the 5k imac it like [TS]

00:09:38   it blew my mind and it was so good and [TS]

00:09:40   it still is so good you know I decided [TS]

00:09:43   then like okay I will trade some [TS]

00:09:45   processing power and I will trade the [TS]

00:09:47   freedom of this external cylinder or [TS]

00:09:49   tower and having it separate my monitor [TS]

00:09:51   I'll trade that for this awesome screen [TS]

00:09:53   experience and the time there really was [TS]

00:09:55   no great way to get 5k externally now [TS]

00:09:58   well maybe you could argue that the LG [TS]

00:10:02   still sucks so badly that make me maybe [TS]

00:10:05   there still isn't agree we can fuck [TS]

00:10:07   external in that is what broke me if you [TS]

00:10:09   recall that was the end I was like I now [TS]

00:10:12   I accept I accept it up you're telling [TS]

00:10:14   me and no uncertain terms give up yeah [TS]

00:10:18   maybe I don't anyway so I the the [TS]

00:10:21   problem is like I hear from various [TS]

00:10:24   tipsters and rumors and birdies and [TS]

00:10:27   everything else I hear a different thing [TS]

00:10:29   like every month every month I here oh [TS]

00:10:30   the mac pro is really dead this time or [TS]

00:10:32   oh no it's not dead yet it's coming you [TS]

00:10:34   know they're they're starting up a new [TS]

00:10:36   thing yeah but every time I hear that [TS]

00:10:37   like I think does what I'm hearing fit [TS]

00:10:39   into the idea of an imac pro and every [TS]

00:10:41   time i go that totally could be an imac [TS]

00:10:43   bro all i want is for them to address [TS]

00:10:45   high-end needs and for the current imac [TS]

00:10:50   series as we know it to not be the [TS]

00:10:53   highest they ever go because it is very [TS]

00:10:55   limited in you know limiting itself to [TS]

00:10:57   the primarily for core desktop line and [TS]

00:10:59   not having desktop class [TS]

00:11:02   high-powered GPU support and desktop [TS]

00:11:04   class high-powered CPU support and [TS]

00:11:07   workstation class i should say cpu [TS]

00:11:09   support you know there's there's a huge [TS]

00:11:11   ceiling above the current imac series [TS]

00:11:14   and it isn't just about getting a higher [TS]

00:11:17   clock speed on single core it's about [TS]

00:11:18   like like if you want if you need [TS]

00:11:21   multi-core performance which lots of [TS]

00:11:23   things use these days it isn't it isn't [TS]

00:11:26   a matter of just wait till next year's [TS]

00:11:28   imac and the four core line will be will [TS]

00:11:31   be good enough that a mac pro won't be [TS]

00:11:33   necessary it's literally like the imac [TS]

00:11:35   grows like five or ten percent [TS]

00:11:37   performance a year and a mac pro with [TS]

00:11:40   more cores could have like it could have [TS]

00:11:42   like six times the performance like [TS]

00:11:44   that's that's the difference we're [TS]

00:11:45   talking about here it's not it isn't [TS]

00:11:48   something that we can just wait a couple [TS]

00:11:49   years and the need goes away because a [TS]

00:11:52   couple years down the road the [TS]

00:11:53   multi-core high-power workstation chips [TS]

00:11:55   have gotten better too so this having [TS]

00:11:59   having a gap like there's a big gap [TS]

00:12:01   between what the imac can do and what a [TS]

00:12:04   computer that has a much higher power [TS]

00:12:08   and heat budget and and money budget can [TS]

00:12:10   do and that use for the Mac Pro and now [TS]

00:12:13   it's it's kind of gone and that huge gap [TS]

00:12:16   is just being unserved and the people [TS]

00:12:19   who need that huge gap are going to [TS]

00:12:20   windows and hackintosh is another crap [TS]

00:12:23   like that that's what I hope Apple [TS]

00:12:25   addresses whether it has a screen built [TS]

00:12:28   into it or not I would prefer if it [TS]

00:12:31   didn't just for additional flexibility [TS]

00:12:33   but I don't really I'm not going to be [TS]

00:12:36   massively disappointed if they give me a [TS]

00:12:38   new high-end 16 core xeon workstation [TS]

00:12:42   that happens to have a 5k screen in [TS]

00:12:43   front of it which is by the way the best [TS]

00:12:45   screen i've ever seen yeah I'm actually [TS]

00:12:47   like now that I know there's no [TS]

00:12:48   third-party monitor that's what makes [TS]

00:12:50   the imac pro so much more palatable to [TS]

00:12:52   me because i will still have an apple [TS]

00:12:53   monitor that's what i want and so I'm [TS]

00:12:57   just paying my hopes on the insides of [TS]

00:12:59   that I Mac Pro being all that they can [TS]

00:13:01   be right here to you to you have had [TS]

00:13:03   your talking privileges revoked for the [TS]

00:13:05   remainder of follow-up I was trying to [TS]

00:13:07   get things quickly and then I said those [TS]

00:13:09   two curse it goddamn words Mac Pro and [TS]

00:13:12   then everything took a turn as it always [TS]

00:13:14   does [TS]

00:13:15   uh anyway I mean in our defense I'm [TS]

00:13:19   pretty sure you started it well I died I [TS]

00:13:23   didn't put this in the show notes but I [TS]

00:13:25   did I reading this I was dutifully [TS]

00:13:27   reading John's show notes and here's [TS]

00:13:29   where we ended up so anyway we'll move [TS]

00:13:32   on to talk about how Americans are cheap [TS]

00:13:33   so Jake rights in to say I wanted to [TS]

00:13:36   tell you all what I've seen with a [TS]

00:13:38   family member that has been in education [TS]

00:13:40   for almost 30 years and this person's [TS]

00:13:43   family member works for a 12,000 student [TS]

00:13:46   school district in America in this [TS]

00:13:48   district there several schools need [TS]

00:13:50   repairs or renovation keep students safe [TS]

00:13:51   over the last two years the district has [TS]

00:13:54   presented referendum which goes to a [TS]

00:13:56   public vote to the public which gets [TS]

00:13:58   voted down a secondary referendum for a [TS]

00:14:01   lesser amount of money which is also [TS]

00:14:02   voted down and now there's a third [TS]

00:14:04   referendum on the table the current [TS]

00:14:05   referendum has a lot of opposition this [TS]

00:14:07   time at this time and according to Jake [TS]

00:14:10   they don't play nice so Jake summarizes [TS]

00:14:13   people aren't really not fond of taxes [TS]

00:14:14   being raised sport education I've seen [TS]

00:14:16   this every day for the last uh decade or [TS]

00:14:19   two of my life even when kids safety is [TS]

00:14:22   on the line there is still opposition [TS]

00:14:25   it's really sad and this is an exact [TS]

00:14:28   retelling of my childhood in in n what [TS]

00:14:32   now how do I say this because however [TS]

00:14:33   it's i pronounced it apparently everyone [TS]

00:14:35   was very very upset just putting the you [TS]

00:14:38   just putting the emphasis on the wrong [TS]

00:14:39   syllable that's all right what what what [TS]

00:14:42   flight attendant movie was that I never [TS]

00:14:43   actually saw but that preview that was [TS]

00:14:45   on the initials is very popular I parted [TS]

00:14:49   back in middle schools i don't know the [TS]

00:14:50   original origin asst and anyway i have [TS]

00:14:52   fluent is what you're trying to say [TS]

00:14:53   thank you so you said about yes [TS]

00:14:56   apparently and very there were a lot of [TS]

00:14:58   people it's probably an alternate [TS]

00:14:59   pronunciations because everything is [TS]

00:15:01   yeah i always have that defense you can [TS]

00:15:03   look it up I'm sure I'm sure that's true [TS]

00:15:05   but whatever so affluent is that correct [TS]

00:15:08   yep anyway it doesn't matter whatever we [TS]

00:15:11   lived into an area that had a lot of [TS]

00:15:12   rich people in it so there we go so the [TS]

00:15:15   point is this was the exact same [TS]

00:15:17   behavior that I saw at my school [TS]

00:15:19   district which we went over last episode [TS]

00:15:21   we had several other people right in to [TS]

00:15:23   say very very similar things that were [TS]

00:15:25   equally depressing and this was just a [TS]

00:15:27   really great summary [TS]

00:15:29   how Americans are cheap and and I hate [TS]

00:15:31   all of us so i just thought i'd share [TS]

00:15:33   that little anecdote speaking of things [TS]

00:15:35   that we won't talk long about at all i'm [TS]

00:15:37   quite sure twitter twitter if it for mac [TS]

00:15:40   the kickstarter made it and the stretch [TS]

00:15:43   goal of 100 thousand dollars to get [TS]

00:15:44   basic things like direct messaging [TS]

00:15:47   support also made it which is super [TS]

00:15:49   exciting so congratulations John [TS]

00:15:51   Syracuse the this moment is yours yes [TS]

00:15:53   this is a right victory lap for the [TS]

00:15:54   project and for all of the listeners to [TS]

00:15:57   this show who I'm sure heard my plea and [TS]

00:15:59   pledged support and it amazes me like I [TS]

00:16:01   was just at the goal I set for everybody [TS]

00:16:04   says ignore the fact that the goal is 75 [TS]

00:16:05   grand the stretch goals 100 grand and we [TS]

00:16:08   need to get that because that's where [TS]

00:16:09   like direct messages come in as much as [TS]

00:16:11   I love terrific I really don't want to [TS]

00:16:12   use a mac Twitter client doesn't support [TS]

00:16:14   direct messages so we did it 108,000 is [TS]

00:16:16   the total we passed 100 k as a marker [TS]

00:16:20   was pointing out now I have to pay the [TS]

00:16:22   money that I pledged towards it and [TS]

00:16:23   there are a lot of people i know on [TS]

00:16:25   twitter told me that not only did they [TS]

00:16:27   pledge because they heard my [TS]

00:16:29   encouragement to do so but they also up [TS]

00:16:32   their pledges when they saw that it [TS]

00:16:33   wasn't close to its goal or whatever so [TS]

00:16:35   thank you to everybody who did that I'm [TS]

00:16:38   sure this will turn out great the one [TS]

00:16:40   the one bad thing for me is that of [TS]

00:16:42   course I can't alright may not be able [TS]

00:16:44   to run this project if it's Sarah only [TS]

00:16:46   until and unless I get a new mac that [TS]

00:16:48   runs I mean it's not supposed to be done [TS]

00:16:51   until much later nice is really is gonna [TS]

00:16:54   be not as expensive Twitter client ever [TS]

00:16:55   free huh yeah well I want to get the new [TS]

00:16:57   mac anyway but gonna be a few bucks for [TS]

00:16:59   Twitter and average for tweet button key [TS]

00:17:01   thousand bucks for a new mac i'm also [TS]

00:17:03   lobbying them through certain channels [TS]

00:17:05   to perhaps try to support back dale cap [TS]

00:17:07   but i don't know if that will happen but [TS]

00:17:09   either way I want a new mac the run [TS]

00:17:10   Sierra and I want to be able to run this [TS]

00:17:11   thing and it's not done yet so fingers [TS]

00:17:13   crossed everybody but thanks to [TS]

00:17:14   everybody who helped this is awesome [TS]

00:17:15   congratulations John siracusa I'm very [TS]

00:17:18   very very excited for you I know this [TS]

00:17:21   was uh this was a big deal for you could [TS]

00:17:23   just use tweetbot but that's cool Cirie [TS]

00:17:25   has multi-language support several [TS]

00:17:28   people wrote in with regard to our [TS]

00:17:29   ladies in the cylinder conversation last [TS]

00:17:32   episode to remind us that in it is we [TS]

00:17:35   needed a reminder that that what is the [TS]

00:17:39   the the the Amazon [TS]

00:17:42   which I'm stumbling so hard to say our [TS]

00:17:44   name yes the echoes lady I didn't want [TS]

00:17:47   to say the AL exa word um the echoes [TS]

00:17:50   lady does not have a lot of [TS]

00:17:52   multi-language support whereas the Apple [TS]

00:17:56   lady does have considerable by [TS]

00:17:58   comparison multi-language support and [TS]

00:18:00   that's a big deal for anyone who doesn't [TS]

00:18:02   speak English and obviously we tend to [TS]

00:18:05   be more myopic than we intend when it [TS]

00:18:07   comes to these sorts of things but for [TS]

00:18:09   people outside of the United States [TS]

00:18:11   Britain etc Australia to before we get [TS]

00:18:14   people emailing us about that um people [TS]

00:18:18   outside those areas you know the only [TS]

00:18:20   choice I really have a Serie and that's [TS]

00:18:22   kind of a big bummer so anyway it's [TS]

00:18:25   worth considering we didn't really give [TS]

00:18:27   any thought to that last episode what is [TS]

00:18:28   it wasn't uh somebody wrote in to get [TS]

00:18:32   onto the they will actually for the some [TS]

00:18:34   someone run in there in a foreign [TS]

00:18:36   country and they said that they had to [TS]

00:18:39   speak to whatever thing they were [TS]

00:18:41   speaking to in their native language but [TS]

00:18:44   they had to pronounce things the way an [TS]

00:18:46   English feature English speaker would [TS]

00:18:48   try to say the words in their language [TS]

00:18:49   in order to be understood which I [TS]

00:18:51   thought was interesting that like even [TS]

00:18:53   though it purports to understand your [TS]

00:18:54   language if you speak sort of [TS]

00:18:55   colloquially and just like casually as [TS]

00:18:59   you would it doesn't work as well if you [TS]

00:19:01   think like how would an American trying [TS]

00:19:03   to speak my language say this and say it [TS]

00:19:04   that way then then the cylinder picks [TS]

00:19:06   out which I thought was funny I mean [TS]

00:19:07   it's working on works the same way here [TS]

00:19:09   you kind of think like how would [TS]

00:19:10   somebody in California say this like the [TS]

00:19:13   way I say it never works right you just [TS]

00:19:15   gotta add in a groovy and you know and [TS]

00:19:17   whatever the other lingos reckon can you [TS]

00:19:19   get me a Jaguar with an automatic [TS]

00:19:21   transmission Wow that'll work perfectly [TS]

00:19:24   don't forget the passive aggression no I [TS]

00:19:26   mean so I think what about what bugs me [TS]

00:19:28   about a lot of the times i see this [TS]

00:19:30   pointed out is when it's used as a [TS]

00:19:33   defense for areas in which siri is not [TS]

00:19:36   doing so well or as stupider than it [TS]

00:19:38   should be so to me these should be [TS]

00:19:40   carefully considered as separate factors [TS]

00:19:43   yes sirree is better at international [TS]

00:19:47   and multi-language support amazon sucks [TS]

00:19:50   internationally they have terrible [TS]

00:19:52   coverage outside the US for all of their [TS]

00:19:54   services [TS]

00:19:56   and the echoes voice service is no [TS]

00:19:58   exception to that but what Amazon's even [TS]

00:20:01   better at is in the like one language in [TS]

00:20:05   that they support well it simply works [TS]

00:20:08   more reliably and I know there are there [TS]

00:20:11   areas in which Siri is better and and [TS]

00:20:14   that's fine there's areas in which [TS]

00:20:15   amazon is better but these are separate [TS]

00:20:18   discussions and I don't think it's a [TS]

00:20:20   valid excuse for apple or four for Apple [TS]

00:20:25   fans and commentators to use just [TS]

00:20:27   whenever anybody points out that Siri [TS]

00:20:29   does something less well than it should [TS]

00:20:31   or that Amazon does something really [TS]

00:20:33   well it is not a valid excuse to say [TS]

00:20:35   well series report supports you know 75 [TS]

00:20:38   different languages it's like well okay [TS]

00:20:40   it does the sky is also blue these are [TS]

00:20:42   separate facts these are separate [TS]

00:20:44   discussions right like so that's I see [TS]

00:20:47   this a lot in a way that bothers me but [TS]

00:20:48   that is an attribute that should be [TS]

00:20:52   commended you know it is great this here [TS]

00:20:55   supports all the different languages and [TS]

00:20:56   if you speak one of those languages [TS]

00:20:57   that's a huge factor for you in the same [TS]

00:20:59   way that other factors of these products [TS]

00:21:01   might influence other people's decisions [TS]

00:21:02   I would just be careful how we throw [TS]

00:21:05   that around because so often it's used [TS]

00:21:07   in this kind of invalid defense fair [TS]

00:21:10   enough all right so I've a very quick [TS]

00:21:14   question about the Apple watch which is [TS]

00:21:16   kind of a call to listeners to tweet at [TS]

00:21:19   me and me alone and then I'd like to go [TS]

00:21:22   to your lawfully i am going to regret [TS]

00:21:25   this but i'm curious and then marco has [TS]

00:21:27   a tale of waffling ideas a lot less [TS]

00:21:29   delicious than it said you have a brief [TS]

00:21:31   tale of waffling right Marco yeah very [TS]

00:21:33   bright well I do I wasn't I wasn't aware [TS]

00:21:35   you guys knew about it somebody put in [TS]

00:21:36   the show notes we know everything we're [TS]

00:21:38   watching always watching cool all right [TS]

00:21:40   well anyway I I wanted to want to ask [TS]

00:21:45   the audience and you can tweet at me and [TS]

00:21:47   me alone you don't need to bother mark [TS]

00:21:48   when John do you I've been doing this by [TS]

00:21:51   the way I know if you have a Syria what [TS]

00:21:55   we calling this a series 0 an original [TS]

00:21:57   Apple watch do you find that the battery [TS]

00:22:00   is starting to get a little long in the [TS]

00:22:01   tooth and starting to wear out a little [TS]

00:22:03   more quickly than you use than it used [TS]

00:22:05   to be cuz i got i took delivery of my [TS]

00:22:08   apple watch in early May [TS]

00:22:09   and the last couple days it has been [TS]

00:22:11   nice enough out that I can go for my [TS]

00:22:13   afternoon or really evening walk with [TS]

00:22:15   Declan and i'll do a walking exercise on [TS]

00:22:18   my Apple watch and as soon as I've [TS]

00:22:21   started doing that last few days at [TS]

00:22:23   unreasonably early hours my Apple watch [TS]

00:22:26   is going from oh I'm fine everything I'm [TS]

00:22:28   asleep and power reserve mode is on and [TS]

00:22:31   I basically don't have a watch at all [TS]

00:22:34   anymore and this only started when I [TS]

00:22:36   when I started doing these exercises and [TS]

00:22:38   eat well for loose definitions of [TS]

00:22:39   exercise but anyway exercises in the [TS]

00:22:41   evening and tracking these like 15 to 30 [TS]

00:22:44   minute walks and I'm curious those who [TS]

00:22:46   listen if you had only if you have a [TS]

00:22:49   series 0 original Apple watch do you [TS]

00:22:51   also find your heaven having battery [TS]

00:22:53   woes let at kc list no i'm curious to [TS]

00:22:56   hear that's all for now you can you [TS]

00:22:58   restore your phone I have a series 0 [TS]

00:23:00   watch and my battery is awesome as it [TS]

00:23:02   sits there on it's charging thing on top [TS]

00:23:04   of my dresser we are sponsored this week [TS]

00:23:07   by fracture who prints beautiful photos [TS]

00:23:09   and vivid color directly onto sheets of [TS]

00:23:12   glass you can hang up all around your [TS]

00:23:14   house give us gifts or whatever else and [TS]

00:23:16   they are awesome go to fracture me calm [TS]

00:23:18   to learn more fracture wants you to [TS]

00:23:22   actually take your photos out of your [TS]

00:23:24   camera roll out of the social feeds and [TS]

00:23:26   actually put them on your wall so you [TS]

00:23:28   can really see them and really enjoy [TS]

00:23:30   them beyond just the one day that you [TS]

00:23:31   took and shared them so what you do with [TS]

00:23:34   fracture you go to their site fracture [TS]

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00:23:38   clean you can save twenty percent by the [TS]

00:23:41   end of March if you hurry up because [TS]

00:23:43   they want you to clean out your camera [TS]

00:23:45   roll and refresh your walls in your [TS]

00:23:47   house with actual photo prints that you [TS]

00:23:49   can enjoy of your photos it's really [TS]

00:23:51   nice to see your photos like you know we [TS]

00:23:53   split these great cameras in our pockets [TS]

00:23:54   we're taking more photos than ever but [TS]

00:23:56   then we see them at day and then they're [TS]

00:23:57   just gone fracture wants you to enjoy [TS]

00:24:00   your photos use promo code clean by the [TS]

00:24:03   end of March to get twenty percent off [TS]

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00:24:07   recommend these fracture prints they [TS]

00:24:08   look great I have them all over my [TS]

00:24:10   office all over our house they look [TS]

00:24:12   awesome these are edge to edge printing [TS]

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00:24:16   wall they ship it nicely I've never had [TS]

00:24:19   one arrived broken although of course [TS]

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00:24:34   good about it go to fracture me calm you [TS]

00:24:36   will be amazed how nice these photos [TS]

00:24:39   look when you get them how nice these [TS]

00:24:40   beautiful panes of glass look they make [TS]

00:24:42   wonderful gifts as well if you know if [TS]

00:24:45   you have a gift for a relative or you [TS]

00:24:47   know some of the holidays coming up like [TS]

00:24:49   Mother's Day and stuff it is totally [TS]

00:24:51   worth a try fracture you will see for [TS]

00:24:53   yourself and you'll be a convert trust [TS]

00:24:55   me they can't pay me to say that they [TS]

00:24:56   can't pay me to see how much I love them [TS]

00:24:58   and i'll tell you what i love them check [TS]

00:25:00   it out today fracture me calm and when [TS]

00:25:03   they ask you where you heard about them [TS]

00:25:05   make sure to enter accidental tech [TS]

00:25:07   podcast or ATP whatever they have their [TS]

00:25:09   it's wonderful check it out once again [TS]

00:25:11   don't forget to tell them where they [TS]

00:25:12   where you heard about them fracture me [TS]

00:25:14   calm thanks a lot to fracture for [TS]

00:25:16   sponsoring our show so tell me about [TS]

00:25:21   your waffling but I'm gonna say this is [TS]

00:25:25   by my count your third mac laptop order [TS]

00:25:28   since the new mac laptops are released [TS]

00:25:30   again oh my god Marco here's here's what [TS]

00:25:34   happened oh here we go yeah you had to [TS]

00:25:37   do it why did you have to do it here's [TS]

00:25:38   here's what happened all right I'll try [TS]

00:25:40   to be brief as we have all of us talking [TS]

00:25:41   about on my I recently came back from a [TS]

00:25:44   trip on the way home I was I was [TS]

00:25:47   supposed to have downloaded a TV show [TS]

00:25:50   for TIFF and I to watch on the plane and [TS]

00:25:52   last minute at the airport I realized [TS]

00:25:55   like at the departure airport I realized [TS]

00:25:58   I had not done it over the hotel Wi-Fi [TS]

00:26:00   overnight like I had planned and i had [TS]

00:26:02   to very quickly download episodes of a [TS]

00:26:04   TV show and of course nothing was [TS]

00:26:07   available in any legal fashion so I was [TS]

00:26:09   going to ship them to myself on a truck [TS]

00:26:12   and there are numerous ways to do this [TS]

00:26:16   on airport Wi-Fi none of which are very [TS]

00:26:19   good and the only way I found for this [TS]

00:26:23   show that I was supposed to downloaded [TS]

00:26:25   but didn't download the only way that I [TS]

00:26:27   could find it is a certain kind of truck [TS]

00:26:30   that let's say it forms a torrential [TS]

00:26:34   downpour [TS]

00:26:36   data pieces into a TV show I knew like [TS]

00:26:40   you know if I could just use a group of [TS]

00:26:43   newspaper delivery trucks that would be [TS]

00:26:46   better but the the torrential downpour [TS]

00:26:49   of trucks was the only thing I get to [TS]

00:26:51   work in a reliable fashion from the [TS]

00:26:54   airport Wi-Fi that I was on and the [TS]

00:26:56   plane was taking off in like a half hour [TS]

00:26:58   and I just had to get something quickly [TS]

00:27:00   so I installed a type of torrential [TS]

00:27:05   downpour truck that I had trusted in the [TS]

00:27:07   past even though I knew that you know [TS]

00:27:09   that they I heard they kind of got shady [TS]

00:27:11   with bundling smaller satellite trucks [TS]

00:27:14   with it install yahoo search toolbar in [TS]

00:27:17   your browser installed java it did set [TS]

00:27:20   my homepage to yahoo and all of my [TS]

00:27:22   browsers that's the stuff and on my home [TS]

00:27:26   mac i have an older version of this [TS]

00:27:28   truck that has note i downloaded years [TS]

00:27:31   ago that has no problems but on on the [TS]

00:27:34   the new version that i could get off the [TS]

00:27:36   website quickly it did a bunch of weird [TS]

00:27:38   stuff that I don't trust and so because [TS]

00:27:40   of this I now consider my 15 inch touch [TS]

00:27:44   bar macbook pro compromised and I need [TS]

00:27:47   to format it and reinstall basically for [TS]

00:27:51   my own sanity do you guys remember what [TS]

00:27:54   made my curly quit his job oh god it was [TS]

00:27:59   him having to buy a new pair of [TS]

00:28:01   shoelaces and yet how does that justify [TS]

00:28:03   you getting a new damn computer I was [TS]

00:28:05   gonna say to remind everybody this story [TS]

00:28:07   about him forgetting to download a TV [TS]

00:28:09   show and trying to do to the airport is [TS]

00:28:10   going to lead to him buying a new [TS]

00:28:12   computer just whoever's on the same page [TS]

00:28:13   all right so basically the gist of it if [TS]

00:28:17   I can summarize my curly story about how [TS]

00:28:18   he of what made him finally quit a job [TS]

00:28:20   become a professional podcasters is that [TS]

00:28:22   he he was going to his his office job [TS]

00:28:25   where he had to dress up and he broke [TS]

00:28:27   the shoelace on his shoe and he was [TS]

00:28:29   thinking acquitting for a while and that [TS]

00:28:31   finally pushed him over the edge because [TS]

00:28:33   he's like you know I I don't want to buy [TS]

00:28:35   a new pair of shoelaces for these shoes [TS]

00:28:38   because it was kind of like reinforcing [TS]

00:28:41   and reinvesting in the world he was he [TS]

00:28:44   was not happy with and trying to leave [TS]

00:28:46   so you decided to just stop at that [TS]

00:28:48   point I'm sorry if you butch [TS]

00:28:50   I bunch of that in case you remember [TS]

00:28:51   offhand what episode of analog people [TS]

00:28:53   should listen to no i don't but i'll [TS]

00:28:55   have it in the show notes okay i don't [TS]

00:28:56   remember which episode it is but we go [TS]

00:28:58   into detail about this and it is it is [TS]

00:29:00   one of the better episodes of analog if [TS]

00:29:01   i do say so myself so it's worth [TS]

00:29:02   listening to ok so when faced with the [TS]

00:29:06   need to reformat my 15 inch touch bar [TS]

00:29:09   macbook pro at the end of this trip [TS]

00:29:12   probably the third or fourth trip I've [TS]

00:29:14   taken it on I was already not loving [TS]

00:29:18   this computer on this trip in so many [TS]

00:29:21   things about it that I that I when I [TS]

00:29:23   bought it I was like you know I don't [TS]

00:29:25   love this but I'll get used to it maybe [TS]

00:29:27   and some of those things I've gotten [TS]

00:29:29   used to decently enough some of those [TS]

00:29:31   things I haven't I I just have no [TS]

00:29:33   motivation to fix this computer even [TS]

00:29:36   though it's a software you have to [TS]

00:29:37   reinstall the OS which I have to do even [TS]

00:29:40   if I get a new one I will then start on [TS]

00:29:41   a fresh one and then I'll have to you [TS]

00:29:42   know put everything back on that one I [TS]

00:29:44   don't want to this this is my shoelace [TS]

00:29:47   and I don't want to fix this laptop [TS]

00:29:50   because I just don't like it and I'm [TS]

00:29:52   finally admitting to myself you know [TS]

00:29:53   what the 15 inch touch bar macbook pro [TS]

00:29:56   it's not a bad computer it's just really [TS]

00:29:59   designed with different priorities and [TS]

00:30:00   different needs than what my needs and [TS]

00:30:02   priorities actually are and i thought i [TS]

00:30:04   would get past it i thought i'd get used [TS]

00:30:06   to it and I thought certain things would [TS]

00:30:07   would stick better than they have like [TS]

00:30:09   for me honestly the touch bar doesn't [TS]

00:30:12   work for me it may be down the road it [TS]

00:30:13   will but right now it doesn't and there [TS]

00:30:16   it causes a lot of problems like [TS]

00:30:17   accidentally brushing against it and and [TS]

00:30:19   other issues bugs incident so anyway so [TS]

00:30:22   I thought you know what I can't do this [TS]

00:30:24   anymore i'm going to switch to a [TS]

00:30:26   computer that i actually like and my [TS]

00:30:29   original plan was i'm going to wait for [TS]

00:30:33   the next update to the macbook one and [TS]

00:30:34   give that a solid try again because with [TS]

00:30:37   that when i first got the first one and [TS]

00:30:39   really hated it part of the reason i [TS]

00:30:41   hated it was the keyboard but well now [TS]

00:30:43   they all have that keyboard and it's [TS]

00:30:45   like well I i I'm forcibly getting used [TS]

00:30:47   to that keyboard it's like all right [TS]

00:30:49   well that's that that is kind of now an [TS]

00:30:51   equal between them almost I mean though [TS]

00:30:53   the one on the map book one currently [TS]

00:30:54   has less feedback it is still the same [TS]

00:30:57   low travel but it has less feedback then [TS]

00:30:59   the ones that are on the new 2016 [TS]

00:31:01   macbook pros I'm used to that one now on [TS]

00:31:04   MacBook Pros I still don't like it but [TS]

00:31:05   I'm used to it so I can tolerate that [TS]

00:31:08   and I was assuming that the next update [TS]

00:31:09   to the macbook one would get that [TS]

00:31:12   keyboard also the original map book one [TS]

00:31:14   I mean all the map ones are very slow [TS]

00:31:16   but in in the 2016 update was it they [TS]

00:31:21   dramatically increased the speed of the [TS]

00:31:23   SSD which it which dramatically [TS]

00:31:26   increases the performance of lots of [TS]

00:31:27   things in the system and so the gist of [TS]

00:31:29   what owners have reported basically is [TS]

00:31:31   that the the second version of the [TS]

00:31:34   macbook one which is the one that's been [TS]

00:31:35   on for about a year now is significantly [TS]

00:31:38   faster than the first version was also [TS]

00:31:39   thanks tipster the GPU is also a lot a [TS]

00:31:42   lot faster which also helps so so I [TS]

00:31:45   thought you know let me just wait for [TS]

00:31:46   that and then I'll make a decision well [TS]

00:31:49   I'm about to go on a trip in like a [TS]

00:31:51   couple of weeks to Ireland to the [TS]

00:31:54   all-conference and like like Arthur [TS]

00:31:56   friends I will pimp the OL conference [TS]

00:31:57   not because they've asked me to not [TS]

00:31:59   because I feel obligated to but because [TS]

00:32:01   if you are anywhere near Ireland or can [TS]

00:32:03   get to Ireland in a couple of weeks you [TS]

00:32:05   should go to the all-conference it's [TS]

00:32:06   amazing so go to the old conference [TS]

00:32:08   everybody ull dot IE is cool anyway I'm [TS]

00:32:12   going to Ireland this is the perfect [TS]

00:32:13   kind of trip where I want to have a [TS]

00:32:15   laptop with me but I don't really get a [TS]

00:32:17   lot of work done I'm trips anymore I try [TS]

00:32:19   I always try and I just I don't you know [TS]

00:32:22   it's very rare that actually get a lot [TS]

00:32:23   of work done since the 15-inch was not [TS]

00:32:25   for me i speaking you know this would be [TS]

00:32:26   a great time to have a new smaller [TS]

00:32:30   laptop to try to use to enjoy and since [TS]

00:32:34   the 15-inch is not working for me for [TS]

00:32:35   lots of reasons and one of the main [TS]

00:32:37   reasons is the touch bar that really is [TS]

00:32:39   not working for me I think my choices [TS]

00:32:40   were basically the macbook law under the [TS]

00:32:42   macbook escape or an old macbook pro you [TS]

00:32:45   know like I can get the old 13 of the I [TS]

00:32:46   already have my old 15 so I took out the [TS]

00:32:49   old 15 figured I'd boot that up for a [TS]

00:32:50   little bit use that for a couple days [TS]

00:32:51   see how that goes and it's fine but I'm [TS]

00:32:55   ruin now for the weight difference on [TS]

00:32:58   the new one even though going from the [TS]

00:33:01   old to the new 15 is only a half pound [TS]

00:33:03   savings went from like four point five [TS]

00:33:05   to four point oh that's enough that to [TS]

00:33:07   ruin me so now I pick up the old one in [TS]

00:33:09   it and it feels really old the then the [TS]

00:33:12   the event or the announcements rather [TS]

00:33:14   the other day yesterday the other day [TS]

00:33:17   came out and I thought apple is sure to [TS]

00:33:20   update the macbook one so let me wait [TS]

00:33:22   for this announcement and then I will [TS]

00:33:24   probably just order a macbook one which [TS]

00:33:26   with the new hopefully with the new [TS]

00:33:27   keyboard and with the new you know maybe [TS]

00:33:30   maybe faster Thunder maybe Thunderbolt [TS]

00:33:32   until just us bc or whatever else okay i [TS]

00:33:34   was going to do the same thing for the [TS]

00:33:36   record i had every intention of buying [TS]

00:33:38   myself a macbook adorable / macbook 1 / [TS]

00:33:42   officially called macbook the 12 inch [TS]

00:33:44   macbook but right i was planning to buy [TS]

00:33:46   one yesterday i was locked and loaded [TS]

00:33:47   ready to go and then not so much so what [TS]

00:33:51   did you do see I I know how I know how [TS]

00:33:53   to not spend money but if there's [TS]

00:33:55   anything you know how to do it not [TS]

00:33:58   spending money is not on that list you [TS]

00:33:59   you do not know how to not spend money [TS]

00:34:01   all I can do is rationalize spending a [TS]

00:34:04   little bit less money than I was going [TS]

00:34:05   to spend anyway but anyway the the the [TS]

00:34:08   day came and went they had their big [TS]

00:34:09   browser press releases which people get [TS]

00:34:10   to don't worry everyone will get to that [TS]

00:34:12   and they didn't release basically [TS]

00:34:14   anything I wanted but but yeah they [TS]

00:34:17   didn't they didn't release the macbook [TS]

00:34:18   one so I decided you know what let me go [TS]

00:34:20   to the apple store now that everything's [TS]

00:34:22   in stock I'll spend some real time with [TS]

00:34:24   the macbook escape and the macbook one [TS]

00:34:27   side by side and to just see like should [TS]

00:34:30   I just wait for an escape or I'm [TS]

00:34:32   strikers by an escape now or should I [TS]

00:34:34   wait for the map of one update that [TS]

00:34:36   might happen in a couple of weeks or it [TS]

00:34:39   might happen in six months or it might [TS]

00:34:42   never happen we have not liked it this [TS]

00:34:45   is modern Apple who knows when things [TS]

00:34:46   will come out there's no relation [TS]

00:34:48   anymore to like Intel schedules so it [TS]

00:34:51   could come out anytime or never so [TS]

00:34:53   anyway so I went to the store side by [TS]

00:34:56   side macbook escape to MacBook one the [TS]

00:34:59   weight difference between them is [TS]

00:35:01   noticeable it's two pounds versus three [TS]

00:35:02   pounds so it's a noticeable weight [TS]

00:35:03   difference it's a noticeable size [TS]

00:35:05   difference but the macbook Escape is the [TS]

00:35:08   same approximate size and weight as the [TS]

00:35:10   13-inch macbook air has always been it [TS]

00:35:12   feels great it's small you know and and [TS]

00:35:16   critically it is basically a retina [TS]

00:35:18   macbook air in its internals and so it [TS]

00:35:21   has amazing battery life the best [TS]

00:35:23   battery life in the whole lineup and one [TS]

00:35:25   of my problems with the 15 inches that [TS]

00:35:26   the battery life is just not that great [TS]

00:35:28   it's it's not horrible [TS]

00:35:30   all but it's not great and it varies [TS]

00:35:32   tremendously with what you're doing [TS]

00:35:33   because it has that high-powered GPU and [TS]

00:35:36   the nice big four core cpu and [TS]

00:35:38   everything else so 15 inch varies a lot [TS]

00:35:39   and isn't even great to begin with the [TS]

00:35:42   macbook escape has and by the way I [TS]

00:35:44   should clarify my stupid name for that [TS]

00:35:45   that's the 13-inch MacBook Pro 2016 with [TS]

00:35:49   two Thunderbolt ports and also known as [TS]

00:35:52   the non-touch bar 13 inch MacBook Pro [TS]

00:35:54   all these want to see at my name is [TS]

00:35:57   better than apples right okay so anyway [TS]

00:35:58   the macbook escape it is not as small [TS]

00:36:00   and light as I would love it to be but [TS]

00:36:02   it's pretty small in light the macbook [TS]

00:36:04   one now again this is this is the now [TS]

00:36:06   year old version so maybe this will [TS]

00:36:08   change in the new one but the keyboard [TS]

00:36:12   different side by side is not a big [TS]

00:36:14   difference but it is noticeable and the [TS]

00:36:17   macbook one keyboard is worse by you [TS]

00:36:20   know a noticeable amount the ergonomic [TS]

00:36:22   difference is more noticeable than I [TS]

00:36:26   would have guessed you know the macbook [TS]

00:36:27   one feels great when you're holding it [TS]

00:36:28   when you pick it up when you when you're [TS]

00:36:29   carrying it around feels great I don't [TS]

00:36:32   care for how you have to open the lid [TS]

00:36:35   basically with two hands because it's so [TS]

00:36:38   thin and so small that you kind of you [TS]

00:36:40   can't really like wed your thumb under [TS]

00:36:43   like the little lip area and push down [TS]

00:36:44   on what's below it like you can with the [TS]

00:36:46   bigger ones you don't have to that's the [TS]

00:36:48   babbles all big thing you can do with [TS]

00:36:49   one hand and the bass stays down yeah it [TS]

00:36:52   does it really does i tried all the time [TS]

00:36:54   the apple store on them amazing how [TS]

00:36:55   often how it works actually try it [TS]

00:36:57   you're right that it's hard to get your [TS]

00:36:58   finger under it but it's if you'd let go [TS]

00:37:00   of the notion you actually need to hold [TS]

00:37:02   the base down and you can manage to get [TS]

00:37:04   through a little finger under the lip I [TS]

00:37:05   swear to you that the base will stay on [TS]

00:37:07   the table oh I don't realize that okay [TS]

00:37:09   anyway so it didn't feel as good it felt [TS]

00:37:13   like a little bit like flimsy to do that [TS]

00:37:14   like just like it's not a huge deal but [TS]

00:37:17   when you compare them side-by-side it's [TS]

00:37:18   an obvious difference also when i had [TS]

00:37:21   the macbook escape for like a day and a [TS]

00:37:23   half when it first came inside of epic [TS]

00:37:25   14 day and a half and a first came out [TS]

00:37:26   one problem i had with it was it [TS]

00:37:28   actually on my lap it was too narrow and [TS]

00:37:31   it would likes it too low on my legs as [TS]

00:37:34   a result like it wouldn't quite span [TS]

00:37:35   across my leg gap quite well enough and [TS]

00:37:38   i actually found it not that pleasant to [TS]

00:37:40   use on my lap it would be great on like [TS]

00:37:43   an airplane tray table [TS]

00:37:44   and it'd be totally you know suitable on [TS]

00:37:46   a desk and anything else but on my lap I [TS]

00:37:48   actually found it was actually not quite [TS]

00:37:50   wide enough to really be comfortable [TS]

00:37:53   there and and the biggest difference to [TS]

00:37:55   me is that the macbook ones trackpad is [TS]

00:37:59   truly awful it is horrendous how how [TS]

00:38:03   differently when you when you feel them [TS]

00:38:04   side by side even on the same settings [TS]

00:38:06   on the same like force touch firmness [TS]

00:38:08   level or whatever the difference in the [TS]

00:38:10   cliq feel and the responsiveness between [TS]

00:38:13   the macbook one and the macbook escape [TS]

00:38:15   is massive on the on the trackpad it's a [TS]

00:38:17   huge difference I basically decided then [TS]

00:38:20   that you know I actually don't think I [TS]

00:38:22   want a macbook one again even if it gets [TS]

00:38:26   updated so i played with the escape a [TS]

00:38:29   little bit longer play with the one a [TS]

00:38:31   little bit longer firm but my decision [TS]

00:38:32   went home and ordered a maxed-out [TS]

00:38:34   macbook escape except for that I didn't [TS]

00:38:36   get the terabyte I got the 512 it's [TS]

00:38:38   still time for you to cancel that order [TS]

00:38:39   again I already canceled the same order [TS]

00:38:42   16 months ago I know I'm saying I'm [TS]

00:38:44   gonna make it this time is it gonna make [TS]

00:38:45   it I I'll see how it goes and ask me [TS]

00:38:48   again you know in a couple of weeks what [TS]

00:38:52   are you doing with your with your old [TS]

00:38:53   one um once once i'm sure that i'm going [TS]

00:38:56   to keep the escape i'll sell the 15 [TS]

00:38:58   unless casey wants it i can sell to you [TS]

00:39:00   so you were like the the proverbial [TS]

00:39:03   little lady only drove to church on [TS]

00:39:05   sunday if you want a lightly used yeah [TS]

00:39:08   laptop for a reasonable price just wait [TS]

00:39:10   for Marco to get bored of it exactly oh [TS]

00:39:12   goodness I don't even know what to do [TS]

00:39:15   with you though I'm most disappointed [TS]

00:39:17   that you didn't get a macbook one [TS]

00:39:19   because I would have bought that off of [TS]

00:39:20   you in two weeks or two weeks a day when [TS]

00:39:23   you decide that you don't want this one [TS]

00:39:25   but as it turns out that's not you [TS]

00:39:26   bought but I have the complete opposite [TS]

00:39:28   of 15 inch no I don't want a 15-inch [TS]

00:39:30   like that either interest me but I don't [TS]

00:39:32   want that like I I'm not saying that [TS]

00:39:34   it's bad I'm not sad just at today with [TS]

00:39:37   my needs today I don't want it because [TS]

00:39:39   it what I really want is a new 15 inch [TS]

00:39:41   touch bar for work but I'm not gonna get [TS]

00:39:44   another computer for work for like two [TS]

00:39:46   or three years so alas anyway like what [TS]

00:39:48   the reason I got the 15 to begin with [TS]

00:39:51   was that I had originally ordered this [TS]

00:39:53   exact same macbook escape configuration [TS]

00:39:56   that I guess reordered on day one I [TS]

00:39:57   ordered [TS]

00:39:58   and because it was day one there was [TS]

00:39:59   like a two-week delay or something [TS]

00:40:01   because I they were all backed up and in [TS]

00:40:03   the meantime I convinced myself you know [TS]

00:40:05   whatever I think it's like 2200 hours [TS]

00:40:07   like 2200 dollars for effectively a [TS]

00:40:10   souped-up MacBook Air is kind of a lot [TS]

00:40:12   and I didn't feel good about the value [TS]

00:40:14   of that and the 15 inch it for bang for [TS]

00:40:17   the buck the 15 inch is a way better buy [TS]

00:40:20   than any of the other laptops and so I [TS]

00:40:23   kind of rash on myself into into a [TS]

00:40:24   15-inch and I also thought the touch bar [TS]

00:40:26   would be a bigger deal and I and I [TS]

00:40:28   should have some experience with it and [TS]

00:40:29   and it turns out that I in an effort to [TS]

00:40:33   get the best value for my money I got a [TS]

00:40:36   computer that was actually not the right [TS]

00:40:38   computer for me so there's a lesson [TS]

00:40:40   there somewhere I don't know and the [TS]

00:40:42   touch bar ended up not really sticking [TS]

00:40:44   for me so there we go alright 45 minutes [TS]

00:40:47   into our recording we can finally be [TS]

00:40:49   done with follow-up told you John it was [TS]

00:40:50   gonna be a quick one that was a topic [TS]

00:40:52   come on somebody spent some while on a [TS]

00:40:55   particular topic but not gonna say Oh [TS]

00:40:57   Casey oh yeah totally me we are [TS]

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00:43:04   next move I wanted to cover something [TS]

00:43:09   before we go to big into the last 48 [TS]

00:43:13   hours worth of announcements there was a [TS]

00:43:15   little bit of talk but not a lot about [TS]

00:43:17   the apple shareholder diversity proposal [TS]

00:43:21   and this always struck me is a little [TS]

00:43:24   weird and how Apple's handling it is a [TS]

00:43:28   little weird but if you recall for the [TS]

00:43:30   last couple of shareholder meetings [TS]

00:43:33   maybe in several now there's been some [TS]

00:43:35   sort of um and I don't know the [TS]

00:43:37   appropriate terminology but there's been [TS]

00:43:39   a thing that they had to vote on that [TS]

00:43:41   that shareholders had petitioned Apple [TS]

00:43:44   for where the the general premise of [TS]

00:43:47   this particular thing they're voting on [TS]

00:43:48   is to adopt an accelerated recruitment [TS]

00:43:52   policy to increase the diversity of [TS]

00:43:53   senior management and its board of [TS]

00:43:54   directors that's actually coming off a [TS]

00:43:56   verge article put the show notes and [TS]

00:43:57   this has been voted down yet again and I [TS]

00:44:01   have mixed feelings about this which I [TS]

00:44:05   probably shouldn't because on the one [TS]

00:44:08   side I feel like well they have an [TS]

00:44:09   executive team that everyone but Marco [TS]

00:44:11   thinks is working okay it seems a little [TS]

00:44:15   silly to just throw one or more of them [TS]

00:44:18   out for the sake of diversity but but on [TS]

00:44:21   the other side of the coin diversity is [TS]

00:44:24   a good thing I [TS]

00:44:25   think that having a more diverse [TS]

00:44:26   executive team might help get rid of [TS]

00:44:29   some of these issues that we've seen I [TS]

00:44:31   don't know which one specifically but [TS]

00:44:33   just a different thing I was gonna say [TS]

00:44:35   outside the box thinking butts not even [TS]

00:44:36   outside the box thinking just different [TS]

00:44:38   thinking could be helpful which to [TS]

00:44:40   Marco's credit is I think a lot of the [TS]

00:44:41   point that you were trying to make last [TS]

00:44:42   week I'm disappointed by this like I'm [TS]

00:44:46   not entirely surprised that this is the [TS]

00:44:48   way the the the vote came and I know [TS]

00:44:50   that Apple was was pushing pretty hard [TS]

00:44:53   for for shareholders to say no to this [TS]

00:44:56   but and so I am disappointed I'm not [TS]

00:44:59   surprised but I'm disappointed and and I [TS]

00:45:01   kind of wish that apple would say [TS]

00:45:02   something more directly about their lack [TS]

00:45:08   of diversity really across the company [TS]

00:45:10   but particularly amongst executives and [TS]

00:45:14   yes I'm aware that they've been making [TS]

00:45:15   this big push for diversity or so they [TS]

00:45:17   say but I feel like it's not really [TS]

00:45:21   hitting the upper echelon of Apple and [TS]

00:45:24   that's that's not a good thing and I [TS]

00:45:26   guess maybe my conflicting feelings are [TS]

00:45:28   just about I think it would be good to [TS]

00:45:30   do what this what this shareholder but [TS]

00:45:33   whatever is trying to do this just seems [TS]

00:45:35   like a peculiar way to go about doing it [TS]

00:45:38   but I guess this is the only way a [TS]

00:45:40   shareholder can force apples hand I [TS]

00:45:41   don't know it's I know that's very muddy [TS]

00:45:43   in gray but do you guys have any [TS]

00:45:44   thoughts on this oh they're not this [TS]

00:45:46   thing doesn't ask them to throw out [TS]

00:45:47   executives like that's not the choice [TS]

00:45:49   they're making your oh I doubt this [TS]

00:45:50   proposal and you have to can one of your [TS]

00:45:52   top executives know they totally don't I [TS]

00:45:54   think we talked about this the maybe one [TS]

00:45:56   of the earlier times that it came up and [TS]

00:45:58   I think the situation is still the same [TS]

00:45:59   and it boils down to companies don't [TS]

00:46:03   like being told what to do right so the [TS]

00:46:06   fact that this is a shareholder proposal [TS]

00:46:07   and that is coming from the outside and [TS]

00:46:09   that the shareholders trying to say [TS]

00:46:10   Apple you should do this specific thing [TS]

00:46:12   I think just institutionally all [TS]

00:46:15   corporations are like you're you're not [TS]

00:46:17   the boss of me you can't like an apples [TS]

00:46:20   answer is always this weird sort of [TS]

00:46:21   vaguely hostile mumbo-jumbo to say look [TS]

00:46:26   we already have we already have our own [TS]

00:46:28   initiatives about diversity that are [TS]

00:46:29   actually broader than this very narrow [TS]

00:46:31   proposal therefore we reject it but [TS]

00:46:33   every time I look at this thing go I [TS]

00:46:34   have to think like it's this this is not [TS]

00:46:36   even actually about of river [TS]

00:46:38   diversity it is totally about the idea [TS]

00:46:41   that big companies and especially Apple [TS]

00:46:44   their default position on every single [TS]

00:46:46   share over the proposal is no no no no [TS]

00:46:49   we have board of directors we are the [TS]

00:46:51   bosses of ourselves even though you [TS]

00:46:53   technically owned the company are some [TS]

00:46:54   large portion of the company through [TS]

00:46:55   your shares or whatever there are not [TS]

00:46:57   enough of you there is not enough of a [TS]

00:46:59   coalition to make it worth our while [TS]

00:47:01   listen to you you cannot tell us what to [TS]

00:47:03   do and doesn't matter what it's about [TS]

00:47:05   whether it's about you know a renewable [TS]

00:47:08   energy or executive compensation or [TS]

00:47:11   diversity over the years and looking at [TS]

00:47:16   these type of proposals and seeing all [TS]

00:47:17   the stories about like just Apple read [TS]

00:47:19   it apple always advises to reject all of [TS]

00:47:22   them and it's kind of ashamed of this [TS]

00:47:23   one is specifically about diversity I'm [TS]

00:47:25   not sheriff I'm not sure if the proposal [TS]

00:47:27   it would be better or worse at advancing [TS]

00:47:32   the cause of diversity with an apple [TS]

00:47:33   than what Apple is already doing it's [TS]

00:47:34   difficult to tell because again these [TS]

00:47:36   are you tend to be very focused and kind [TS]

00:47:38   of not vindictive but like like come on [TS]

00:47:41   Apple you gotta whatever you're doing [TS]

00:47:43   it's taking too long and it is being [TS]

00:47:45   ineffective so here is a more aggressive [TS]

00:47:47   thing that may or may not have as much [TS]

00:47:51   regard for the success of the company [TS]

00:47:53   overall just saying look at we gotta go [TS]

00:47:55   off your butt so it could be the most [TS]

00:47:57   important function of these is to let [TS]

00:47:59   Apple no and no in certain terms that [TS]

00:48:01   they're not doing a good enough job [TS]

00:48:02   right that and that's why enough [TS]

00:48:05   shareholders got together to make this [TS]

00:48:07   proposal to vote on Apple's still going [TS]

00:48:08   to recommend against that Apple still [TS]

00:48:09   going to think their plan is good but [TS]

00:48:11   hopefully the message is getting through [TS]

00:48:12   that whatever it is that you're doing [TS]

00:48:14   you're not doing it fast enough or well [TS]

00:48:16   enough but I continue to think that [TS]

00:48:18   Apple will reject every single one of [TS]

00:48:19   these proposals are Apple Apple will [TS]

00:48:21   encourage the rest of the shareholders [TS]

00:48:23   to reject their mother because these go [TS]

00:48:24   up for a vote for all the shelves and [TS]

00:48:25   Apple has a recommendation we think [TS]

00:48:27   shareholders should vote this down and [TS]

00:48:28   in the end they tend to because the [TS]

00:48:31   shareholders of Apple there are you know [TS]

00:48:33   at a certain point it's a small number [TS]

00:48:35   of very rich shareholders who are [TS]

00:48:37   inclined to do with the corporation says [TS]

00:48:38   versus a much larger number of not quite [TS]

00:48:41   as with shareholders who are backing [TS]

00:48:43   this type of proposal so it is kind of a [TS]

00:48:46   difficult in a comfortable situation but [TS]

00:48:49   I think Apple Apple should be getting [TS]

00:48:51   the message [TS]

00:48:52   Apple needs to change what it's doing [TS]

00:48:53   even if it continues to reject all its [TS]

00:48:56   continues to encourage its shareholders [TS]

00:48:59   of all these down and those challenges [TS]

00:49:00   continue to do so that's it's just a [TS]

00:49:03   tough situation and I wish that there [TS]

00:49:04   was a easy turnkey answer but I just [TS]

00:49:07   wanted to call attention to that so [TS]

00:49:09   breaking news just before we recorded in [TS]

00:49:13   a rare stroke of good luck for ATP it [TS]

00:49:16   seems that Apple clearly the executives [TS]

00:49:18   listen to this program because we're [TS]

00:49:19   getting a new Mac Pro wait nevermind I [TS]

00:49:21   guess they don't listen but anyway uh [TS]

00:49:23   yeah they seem to all the Apple [TS]

00:49:26   executive seem to always want to do [TS]

00:49:28   apple news on Thursdays which is the day [TS]

00:49:31   after we record but in a rare stroke of [TS]

00:49:33   good luck on this evening like an hour [TS]

00:49:35   or two before we started recording it [TS]

00:49:37   was announced and I first saw it on [TS]

00:49:39   TechCrunch my friend of the show Matt [TS]

00:49:41   Panzer II know that Apple has bought the [TS]

00:49:44   app and the company that makes it called [TS]

00:49:47   workflow which if you listen to any of [TS]

00:49:50   the shows of some of our friends you'll [TS]

00:49:53   know that people like my curly and [TS]

00:49:55   Federico vtg for example are huge into [TS]

00:49:57   workflow I've used it a bunch i really [TS]

00:49:59   like it i'm nowhere near their level but [TS]

00:50:01   i do like it and use it and this is a [TS]

00:50:05   trick just whether or not workflow has a [TS]

00:50:08   place in your life it is a phenomenally [TS]

00:50:13   impressive app and basically it's sort [TS]

00:50:15   of kind of like Automator is on OS 10 or [TS]

00:50:19   excuse me mac OS that that's not a truly [TS]

00:50:22   fair analogy but sort of that's kind of [TS]

00:50:24   thing where you can you have a series of [TS]

00:50:26   different actions that you can string [TS]

00:50:28   together also vaguely similar to if this [TS]

00:50:30   than that and you can string these [TS]

00:50:31   actions together to do to create [TS]

00:50:33   workflows and and to do these just [TS]

00:50:35   unbelievably complex things so Apple has [TS]

00:50:38   bought workflow and the I guess the [TS]

00:50:41   three founders of the company are going [TS]

00:50:45   to be working for apple and that's [TS]

00:50:46   really really exciting now I'm also [TS]

00:50:49   hearing breaking news that I haven't yet [TS]

00:50:50   confirmed that apparently they're [TS]

00:50:52   already they've already made the app [TS]

00:50:54   free good but they're already removing [TS]

00:50:58   chrome support and Street View actions [TS]

00:51:01   because Apple yeah well actually there [TS]

00:51:04   might be something else to that okay so [TS]

00:51:07   so a couple of weeks ago or recently [TS]

00:51:09   like a week ago so like that I got an [TS]

00:51:13   email from workflow I don't want to go [TS]

00:51:14   into too many details because I don't [TS]

00:51:17   know if they wanted this to be public or [TS]

00:51:18   not so I'll try to be tasteful here but [TS]

00:51:21   basically workflow has supported [TS]

00:51:23   overcast URL scheme for quite some time [TS]

00:51:26   and I got an email basically with from [TS]

00:51:29   asking me to sign a legal document that [TS]

00:51:34   basically says it's okay for them to [TS]

00:51:36   call my app via its URL schemes [TS]

00:51:38   something on the lines of like if you [TS]

00:51:41   want us to continue supporting this in [TS]

00:51:43   the future please sign this document in [TS]

00:51:46   my best guess at the time which turn out [TS]

00:51:48   to be true is that somebody is about to [TS]

00:51:51   invest a lot of money in them or acquire [TS]

00:51:53   them and is doing due diligence and [TS]

00:51:55   somebody's lawyer told the somebody with [TS]

00:51:57   all the money bind them or investing in [TS]

00:51:59   them you know they should really sure [TS]

00:52:01   this up in some kind of legal fashion to [TS]

00:52:03   make sure that none of the apps that [TS]

00:52:04   workflow calls via URL schemes would [TS]

00:52:08   later threaten them in any legal way for [TS]

00:52:10   using like an undocumented API or using [TS]

00:52:13   an API without permission or something [TS]

00:52:14   like that my best guess with the [TS]

00:52:18   immediate removal of the Google related [TS]

00:52:20   features is not that Apple is being a [TS]

00:52:23   jerk to Google but the Google probably [TS]

00:52:26   just didn't respond and didn't even [TS]

00:52:27   consider signing this document because [TS]

00:52:28   like it's a it's it's it was basically a [TS]

00:52:31   very very simple but still legal [TS]

00:52:34   contract like document I i I'm not a [TS]

00:52:37   lawyer I can't tell you exactly what it [TS]

00:52:38   was but it looks like a very simple [TS]

00:52:40   contract so you would imagine like [TS]

00:52:42   emailing Google to say hey sign this [TS]

00:52:44   contract please we can keep calling you [TS]

00:52:45   from art from our iOS app like I don't [TS]

00:52:48   think that's going to be a high priority [TS]

00:52:49   for Google's legal department to review [TS]

00:52:51   but they're usually so responsive to [TS]

00:52:53   people it's so out of character for them [TS]

00:52:57   exactly so basically I'm guessing that [TS]

00:53:01   it again this is not some kind of like [TS]

00:53:03   you know Apple immediately being a jerk [TS]

00:53:05   to Google because their Google it's [TS]

00:53:07   probably google didn't feel like it was [TS]

00:53:09   worth responding to that or hasn't [TS]

00:53:11   gotten to it yet or legal decided it [TS]

00:53:12   wasn't worth the the legal implications [TS]

00:53:14   of it [TS]

00:53:15   and so you know after the acquisition [TS]

00:53:18   Apple probably just says all right well [TS]

00:53:19   this is this is your deadline that [TS]

00:53:20   anybody just for legal protection [TS]

00:53:22   reasons for themselves anybody who [TS]

00:53:24   hasn't signed this document saying you [TS]

00:53:25   can call their secret api's or URL [TS]

00:53:27   schemes or whatever you can't do it [TS]

00:53:29   anymore that's interesting take yeah so [TS]

00:53:31   the the bigger issue on workflow though [TS]

00:53:33   is like after saw this acquisition what [TS]

00:53:37   I immediately felt was I felt bad for [TS]

00:53:40   fatigue E and Mike and all the other [TS]

00:53:43   workflow enthusiasts because when apple [TS]

00:53:46   buys a company that does something like [TS]

00:53:48   this it can go a couple different ways [TS]

00:53:51   they can be what they call an aqua hire [TS]

00:53:52   where the whole point is they're just [TS]

00:53:53   buying it to get these employees who are [TS]

00:53:55   proven that they're really really good [TS]

00:53:56   iOS developers and so we tap or Apple we [TS]

00:53:59   would love really good iOS developers [TS]

00:54:01   let's buy the company and now we've got [TS]

00:54:03   those developers and then the product [TS]

00:54:04   just gets sunsetted becomes free it [TS]

00:54:07   hangs out for a while is it's sunset sun [TS]

00:54:09   sat yeah and then it just goes away [TS]

00:54:12   other possibilities like what they did [TS]

00:54:14   with test flight where they buy it and [TS]

00:54:16   it continues to exist but now as an [TS]

00:54:18   apple internal thing but here's the deal [TS]

00:54:21   even in that scenario Apple's priorities [TS]

00:54:23   are different than the priorities of an [TS]

00:54:25   independent workflow company even for [TS]

00:54:27   strategy tax things like even though we [TS]

00:54:28   this chrome thing is probably not that [TS]

00:54:30   right but Apple has different priorities [TS]

00:54:31   different things are important to Apple [TS]

00:54:33   as the platform owner then they are [TS]

00:54:34   someone writing an application on the [TS]

00:54:36   platform so even in the best case [TS]

00:54:40   workflow is going to change in ways that [TS]

00:54:42   are better for Apple and probably not [TS]

00:54:44   better for existing workflow customers [TS]

00:54:47   it it could change in ways that are [TS]

00:54:49   better for both because they now work [TS]

00:54:51   all has access to private api's and [TS]

00:54:52   notice about the roadmap or whatever [TS]

00:54:54   workflow itself could be integrated into [TS]

00:54:56   the next major version of iOS as a core [TS]

00:54:58   feature of the OS to stop being an [TS]

00:55:00   independent application or become a [TS]

00:55:01   bundled application like there are good [TS]

00:55:03   scenarios but either way it is a [TS]

00:55:06   disruption to the workflow of all the [TS]

00:55:08   people who use this application as part [TS]

00:55:10   of their daily work even if you just [TS]

00:55:12   have to rejigger all your scripts and [TS]

00:55:14   change things around so I there there [TS]

00:55:17   baby it may be a really bad situation [TS]

00:55:19   for people who love workflow but as [TS]

00:55:22   someone who has workflow and uses a [TS]

00:55:24   little bit but don't have my work is not [TS]

00:55:27   intimately tied into [TS]

00:55:28   but I think I'm hoping that it is a yet [TS]

00:55:33   another sign that Apple is trying to do [TS]

00:55:36   things to make iOS a more powerful [TS]

00:55:39   platform for people with more demanding [TS]

00:55:41   needs because I like I don't want to [TS]

00:55:45   believe that it was purely these guys [TS]

00:55:46   are good IRS developers get them and [TS]

00:55:48   have them do something I want to believe [TS]

00:55:49   it's because they recognize that the [TS]

00:55:53   people who are using iOS devices in the [TS]

00:55:55   in the most sophisticated way love [TS]

00:55:58   workflow and that's something those [TS]

00:56:00   capabilities should be part of the [TS]

00:56:01   operating system to make iOS on the iPad [TS]

00:56:04   or even on the phone for that matter a [TS]

00:56:06   more capable system so I think overall [TS]

00:56:09   it's encouraging but for anybody who [TS]

00:56:12   really really love workflow I think the [TS]

00:56:15   very near future is either slightly [TS]

00:56:17   painful or very grim but the longer term [TS]

00:56:20   future for the platform I think it's [TS]

00:56:21   better yeah I think that's right i mean [TS]

00:56:23   the way workflow you know where flow has [TS]

00:56:26   a lot of different features these days [TS]

00:56:28   but kind of the core of it and the first [TS]

00:56:31   part of it before had all these all [TS]

00:56:33   these new like API related features well [TS]

00:56:36   is it was just calling URL schemes for [TS]

00:56:37   apps and using X callback URL and [TS]

00:56:41   everything else and you know X callback [TS]

00:56:43   URL i I don't I don't say this to brag I [TS]

00:56:47   say this as historical context Greg [TS]

00:56:51   Pearce that I actually invented that [TS]

00:56:52   that's Greg Pearce is the developer of [TS]

00:56:55   drafts and and also a couple other apps [TS]

00:56:58   and one of them is terminology and which [TS]

00:57:00   is like it's like a fancy dictionary app [TS]

00:57:01   basically and back in 2010 he contacted [TS]

00:57:06   me asking like is there a way that we [TS]

00:57:08   can make Instapaper basically shell out [TS]

00:57:11   to terminology for its dictionary [TS]

00:57:13   lookups and we we basically went back [TS]

00:57:16   and forth over a couple days via email [TS]

00:57:18   and worked out this URL scheme called x [TS]

00:57:21   call back and that and you could just it [TS]

00:57:24   had these parameters and it was [TS]

00:57:25   basically the first thing i knew of on [TS]

00:57:27   iOS where there was a defined protocol [TS]

00:57:30   that you could launch you could sell it [TS]

00:57:32   to another app VAR URL scheme and give [TS]

00:57:33   that app a way to call you back when [TS]

00:57:35   it's done at the time i think both of us [TS]

00:57:38   look at this as [TS]

00:57:40   a tremendous hack and and and you know [TS]

00:57:44   an event and it became big anyway like [TS]

00:57:47   you know and Greg Greg went and and [TS]

00:57:49   really kind of took the ball and like [TS]

00:57:52   and ran with it and made a whole site [TS]

00:57:54   and directory about X callback URL [TS]

00:57:57   formally documented this little you know [TS]

00:58:00   fairly simple URL scheme spec that we [TS]

00:58:02   had come up with and then made this big [TS]

00:58:04   directory of all the different apps that [TS]

00:58:05   used it and document all the URL schemes [TS]

00:58:07   and naturally what made the the world of [TS]

00:58:10   x callback URL take off was that big [TS]

00:58:13   site that he ran and publicizing it and [TS]

00:58:14   everything else but even back then this [TS]

00:58:17   is 2010 remember even back then I think [TS]

00:58:19   both Greg and I looked at it as this is [TS]

00:58:22   really a temporary need that surely in [TS]

00:58:25   the future iOS is going to add some [TS]

00:58:27   better ways of interacting and scripting [TS]

00:58:31   and things like that like wait other [TS]

00:58:33   other ways to solve this problem that [TS]

00:58:35   isn't calling URL schemes in the [TS]

00:58:38   background and launching apps and then [TS]

00:58:39   kicking you between different apps and [TS]

00:58:41   having them all come to the program for [TS]

00:58:42   a second and kick you back like that is [TS]

00:58:44   kind of a terrible hack and now you know [TS]

00:58:48   almost seven years later iOS has added [TS]

00:58:52   extensions which helped tremendously but [TS]

00:58:54   only in certain ways like only in the in [TS]

00:58:56   the extension points and only in the [TS]

00:58:57   very strict ways those are defined and [TS]

00:58:59   in the very limited areas that they [TS]

00:59:00   exist in so extensions help a little but [TS]

00:59:04   what they need is something bigger and [TS]

00:59:07   on the Mac they have the entire [TS]

00:59:08   applescript interface not to mention [TS]

00:59:10   everything from the UNIX you know system [TS]

00:59:13   below it all the different scripting and [TS]

00:59:14   IPC mechanisms that are all over the mac [TS]

00:59:17   OS like the Mac has it's very well [TS]

00:59:18   covered but iOS still really doesn't so [TS]

00:59:22   there is very much a need if if Apple [TS]

00:59:26   wants to keep pushing iOS into [TS]

00:59:27   productivity which is especially [TS]

00:59:29   important for the ipad business i'd say [TS]

00:59:31   and it sure wouldn't help the icer [TS]

00:59:33   wouldn't hurt the iphone business either [TS]

00:59:35   but to keep it happy wants to push [TS]

00:59:38   people into more productivity use on iOS [TS]

00:59:40   they need automation systems like this [TS]

00:59:43   they need mechanisms in in the in the OS [TS]

00:59:46   itself for apps to communicate with each [TS]

00:59:49   other automate each other and for users [TS]

00:59:52   to help [TS]

00:59:53   you know define write and edit and chain [TS]

00:59:56   together those automations and and you [TS]

00:59:59   know again on the mac that have [TS]

00:59:59   know again on the mac that have [TS]

01:00:00   while this already have had it for years [TS]

01:00:00   decades even if I was a user of workflow [TS]

01:00:05   I would not feel great about the future [TS]

01:00:07   of that app right now because in any [TS]

01:00:09   acquisition the future of the app that [TS]

01:00:12   and this is I think clearly mostly an [TS]

01:00:16   aqua higher and in like the official you [TS]

01:00:19   know story to the press I think they [TS]

01:00:20   said it wasn't but I think it pretty [TS]

01:00:22   clearly is everyone always says it isn't [TS]

01:00:24   everyone always says their product going [TS]

01:00:26   to keep going indefinitely and it's [TS]

01:00:27   going to be wonderfully a great plan to [TS]

01:00:28   the future and then it gets you know [TS]

01:00:30   sunset so I would not depend on this app [TS]

01:00:34   being there in say a year or two but I [TS]

01:00:38   do think that there's a good chance that [TS]

01:00:40   the reason they bought this app and and [TS]

01:00:42   you know the reason they hired this [TS]

01:00:45   talented team who's really good at iOS [TS]

01:00:47   automation probably has something to do [TS]

01:00:50   with an effort to improve iOS automation [TS]

01:00:52   at the system level and again I think [TS]

01:00:54   pretty much everything John side I agree [TS]

01:00:57   with that I would not expect this app to [TS]

01:01:01   continue to exist in you know two years [TS]

01:01:03   say i would bet that you know it's too [TS]

01:01:07   late probably for iOS 11 but i would bet [TS]

01:01:09   by iOS 12 or 13 there is something there [TS]

01:01:14   is some kind of system or new technology [TS]

01:01:17   in the OS that is better in in some way [TS]

01:01:22   at automation than URL schemes and [TS]

01:01:24   things like that which would make say [TS]

01:01:26   you know seventy percent of workflow [TS]

01:01:28   unnecessary and Apple would consider [TS]

01:01:31   that good enough and then they would [TS]

01:01:32   kill the app I don't know I my first [TS]

01:01:36   reaction is oh this app is going away [TS]

01:01:38   immediately and then as I thought more [TS]

01:01:41   about it I thought you know the most [TS]

01:01:44   obvious answer to me is what you said [TS]

01:01:46   marco which is it'll get sucked into iOS [TS]

01:01:49   maybe in 12 if not 11 but or whatever on [TS]

01:01:54   now god I'm losing and keep on losing [TS]

01:01:55   track but anyways it was knocked into [TS]

01:01:57   some version of a hot yeah thank you [TS]

01:01:59   it'll get sucked into some version of [TS]

01:02:01   iOS and then it'll go away and that will [TS]

01:02:03   be that but then I got thinking about it [TS]

01:02:06   more and the reason I felt like you [TS]

01:02:09   would get sucked into iOS is because it [TS]

01:02:11   feels like this is wrong for Apple to [TS]

01:02:12   make an appt [TS]

01:02:13   is so feature-rich and offers so much [TS]

01:02:16   functionality that isn't part of the OS [TS]

01:02:17   itself and that very well still could be [TS]

01:02:19   but then I got to thinking about like [TS]

01:02:21   iMovie or garage band or you know some [TS]

01:02:26   of these other apps like that and it [TS]

01:02:28   occurred to me that you know those are [TS]

01:02:30   pretty full featured apps and yeah it's [TS]

01:02:32   less of a system-level thing like the [TS]

01:02:34   the problem domain i think is a little [TS]

01:02:35   more bounded but they're really really [TS]

01:02:39   big complex kind of intense apps that [TS]

01:02:43   are apple-branded but are downloaded [TS]

01:02:47   optionally from the App Store and so [TS]

01:02:49   this may not be any different I'm [TS]

01:02:51   disappointed by but like you said Marco [TS]

01:02:54   maybe it's for good reason that that [TS]

01:02:55   some of the third party stuff is already [TS]

01:02:58   getting neutered but nevertheless I'm [TS]

01:03:01   pretty optimistic about this probably in [TS]

01:03:03   part because I don't rely on it to get [TS]

01:03:05   my job done but I'm pretty optimistic [TS]

01:03:07   about this because it's kind of a [TS]

01:03:09   win-win right either a lot of this [TS]

01:03:10   functionality gets built into iOS makes [TS]

01:03:12   iOS more powerful or if it's if it's [TS]

01:03:14   kept in some vague form like it is today [TS]

01:03:18   well it's a great darn app and so that's [TS]

01:03:21   a win too so I'm I'm very tentatively [TS]

01:03:24   optimistic about this well the other [TS]

01:03:26   thing that that people that workflow [TS]

01:03:28   users I think should find somewhat [TS]

01:03:29   comforting is that most of the app you [TS]

01:03:33   know it's not doing things that only [TS]

01:03:34   these developers and only this app could [TS]

01:03:37   do it's doing things that are possible [TS]

01:03:40   for anyone else to step in and recreate [TS]

01:03:43   with a new app I don't say this to [TS]

01:03:44   insult the app or or to say that it was [TS]

01:03:46   easy to make but that it is bit is a [TS]

01:03:49   combination of things that each one of [TS]

01:03:51   which is fairly easy and so I wish like [TS]

01:03:54   most apps honestly but but the point is [TS]

01:03:58   like if workflow disappears if it shuts [TS]

01:04:01   down or it it is made to suck in a way [TS]

01:04:04   that people find intolerable there will [TS]

01:04:07   be a new one someone else will make a [TS]

01:04:09   new one it might take a few months but [TS]

01:04:11   someone else will make a new one because [TS]

01:04:12   there's clearly a market demand for it [TS]

01:04:14   there and and these are high-end you [TS]

01:04:16   know technical and and very devoted [TS]

01:04:19   users if workflow disappears there's [TS]

01:04:22   going to immediately be a not massive [TS]

01:04:26   but very passionate [TS]

01:04:27   very desperate market who would probably [TS]

01:04:30   pay like 10 15 20 bucks for an iOS app [TS]

01:04:33   to replace it so I wouldn't worry too [TS]

01:04:36   much about that unless Apple actually [TS]

01:04:37   starts prohibiting apps that are like [TS]

01:04:39   this which would be possible that is [TS]

01:04:42   certainly a risk I wouldn't say it's [TS]

01:04:44   incredibly likely but it's it's [TS]

01:04:45   certainly a risk but anyway basically [TS]

01:04:48   workflow people there might be some [TS]

01:04:51   disruption I don't mean that in the tech [TS]

01:04:54   guy sense I mean that in the literal [TS]

01:04:56   meaning of the word there might be some [TS]

01:04:58   disruption to your workflows I'm sorry [TS]

01:05:01   but god this is terrible phrase in this [TS]

01:05:05   market but I think in the long run [TS]

01:05:07   you'll be okay so we brought up test [TS]

01:05:09   flight already which is I think one of [TS]

01:05:11   the most best example of an application [TS]

01:05:16   that was bought and contented and change [TS]

01:05:18   the icon today the test flight continues [TS]

01:05:20   to be called test flight yeah as a [TS]

01:05:24   separate application and Apple uses it [TS]

01:05:26   for the purpose the test flight was [TS]

01:05:27   created so it's like it survived the [TS]

01:05:29   acquisition right and then of course [TS]

01:05:31   your applications that totally go away [TS]

01:05:33   or become free and disappear serenity [TS]

01:05:35   call will just point on Twitter that [TS]

01:05:36   Siri Siri was an independent company [TS]

01:05:38   about the people you know like same [TS]

01:05:40   thing if they had an application on the [TS]

01:05:42   store and it went free when it got [TS]

01:05:43   bought back in 2010 but eventually it [TS]

01:05:44   got rolled into the OS so that's another [TS]

01:05:47   possibility for this is that you know we [TS]

01:05:48   hope that this what this means is that [TS]

01:05:51   Apple wants to make automation better on [TS]

01:05:53   iOS like it's that seems clear like why [TS]

01:05:55   you know in some fashion whether you're [TS]

01:05:57   just gonna have these people do a new [TS]

01:05:58   thing or you're going to incorporate [TS]

01:05:59   that but you could have workflow [TS]

01:06:01   appearing as an apple application with a [TS]

01:06:03   different icon perhaps bundled with the [TS]

01:06:05   OS perhaps free downloadable you know as [TS]

01:06:08   an apple-branded thing until the big new [TS]

01:06:13   we have big improvements automation come [TS]

01:06:15   in iOS 12 or something so it could be [TS]

01:06:18   the application like becomes part of the [TS]

01:06:21   OS in terms of it's still called work [TS]

01:06:25   floats still more or less works the same [TS]

01:06:26   maybe gets a new coat of paint and while [TS]

01:06:28   that sits there doing its thing those [TS]

01:06:31   people who made that application are [TS]

01:06:32   working on the next big thing in terms [TS]

01:06:35   of automating workflows maybe [TS]

01:06:37   incorporate maybe you know working in [TS]

01:06:40   conjunction with whatever [TS]

01:06:41   possible multitasking improvements they [TS]

01:06:43   may be coming anti OS that will see the [TS]

01:06:45   summer or whatever so there are a lot of [TS]

01:06:47   possibilities and I see all of them [TS]

01:06:48   point towards to me anyway automation [TS]

01:06:51   becoming better on the mac but it's [TS]

01:06:54   really especially with the portability [TS]

01:06:55   like will my workflow sport over to the [TS]

01:06:57   new Apple one will the my workflows [TS]

01:06:59   carry over to the new world of [TS]

01:07:01   automation that's going to happen in iOS [TS]

01:07:03   12 who knows but I think I think these [TS]

01:07:04   are going in the right direction even [TS]

01:07:05   though it might be a little painful [TS]

01:07:06   short term I did you mean iOS there you [TS]

01:07:08   said the Mac yeah yeah I know I got Mac [TS]

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01:09:11   alright so there was yesterday and we've [TS]

01:09:17   made several references to this already [TS]

01:09:20   in this episode yesterday there was an [TS]

01:09:23   announcement or series of announcements [TS]

01:09:24   of new apple products and so I'm going [TS]

01:09:27   to try to run through just a very high [TS]

01:09:29   level each of them and then we'll step [TS]

01:09:31   in and do a deeper dive through each of [TS]

01:09:32   them after that so there's now a red [TS]

01:09:34   iphone 7 it is a product red which means [TS]

01:09:38   some subset of this money is donated [TS]

01:09:40   towards some aids research etc etc [TS]

01:09:43   except in China except in China which [TS]

01:09:46   we'll get to in a minute well I think [TS]

01:09:47   they actually got clarification on that [TS]

01:09:49   I think cook gave some statement to [TS]

01:09:51   somebody somewhere saying that actually [TS]

01:09:53   yes a portion of the proceeds are also [TS]

01:09:54   being donated from china sales I think [TS]

01:09:56   it just doesn't brand it as such Oh [TS]

01:09:58   interesting that makes you feel a little [TS]

01:09:59   better there's a new there there a [TS]

01:10:02   couple of new iphone SE storage sizes as [TS]

01:10:04   far as anyone can tell the internals are [TS]

01:10:06   otherwise identical but the SE no longer [TS]

01:10:10   has the 16 gig option which means that [TS]

01:10:12   there are no more 16 gig iOS devices [TS]

01:10:15   John siracusa how happy are you right [TS]

01:10:16   now I should have looked up the timeline [TS]

01:10:19   so this like how long do we have to wait [TS]

01:10:21   from the first introduction of 16 gig to [TS]

01:10:23   it disappearing it's taken long enough [TS]

01:10:25   but I'm glad it's happened although and [TS]

01:10:27   Apple always manages to frustrate me [TS]

01:10:30   with the sizes because they changed it [TS]

01:10:32   now what is the SE comes in 32 and 128 [TS]

01:10:34   sounds like boy 664 seems like the [TS]

01:10:37   perfect size but nope nope you got a pic [TS]

01:10:39   32 which at this point it doesn't feel [TS]

01:10:41   small 16 obviously 32 is great right [TS]

01:10:43   it's been pretty huge you know kudos to [TS]

01:10:45   getting rid of the 16 gigabyte finally [TS]

01:10:47   but for me personally like I'm really [TS]

01:10:50   well 64 if I was recommending it for [TS]

01:10:53   somebody i would say well 32 will be [TS]

01:10:54   fine right and 128 is probably too much [TS]

01:10:56   64 would be great but now they just [TS]

01:10:58   skipped that size so I mean that's this [TS]

01:11:01   part of this ready like they want you to [TS]

01:11:02   step up they want you to pay the premium [TS]

01:11:04   that you pay for the larger size but I'm [TS]

01:11:06   glad 32 is no longer ridiculously [TS]

01:11:09   painfully way too small so thank [TS]

01:11:12   goodness right there is a new 9.7 inch [TS]

01:11:15   iPad everything that's old is new again [TS]

01:11:18   we've gone from ipad ipad 2 or something [TS]

01:11:21   like that i forget the timeline but it's [TS]

01:11:23   ridiculous right to display to ipad air [TS]

01:11:26   and blah blah blah blah blah but a fret [TS]

01:11:28   ipad 4th generation and ipad air 2 so [TS]

01:11:32   this the like 7th ipad is called the [TS]

01:11:34   ipad 5th generation yeah remember the [TS]

01:11:37   new idea yes that was originally for the [TS]

01:11:40   ipad 3 yep they're just called the new [TS]

01:11:42   ipad yeah anyway this this new ipad is [TS]

01:11:45   is the basic spec bump and price drop [TS]

01:11:48   which would be boring i think if it [TS]

01:11:50   wasn't seemingly so rare these days [TS]

01:11:52   because you either get a spec bump with [TS]

01:11:55   a price increase or it just something [TS]

01:11:58   just lingers on but this is like the old [TS]

01:12:00   style it's like we make it faster [TS]

01:12:01   because new stuff is available and it's [TS]

01:12:04   not it's like the middle of the road [TS]

01:12:05   product so we can actually make it a [TS]

01:12:06   little bit cheaper because there's just [TS]

01:12:08   not much in there and it's not getting [TS]

01:12:10   the top of the top-of-the-line [TS]

01:12:11   system-on-a-chip it's getting a better [TS]

01:12:14   one so I think this this 9 17 inch iPad [TS]

01:12:17   has become more attractive to people who [TS]

01:12:20   would otherwise by you know who are [TS]

01:12:24   shopping for a full-size iPad but don't [TS]

01:12:26   need an ipad pro especially the [TS]

01:12:27   education because they've they've [TS]

01:12:28   brought it down below the magic three [TS]

01:12:30   hundred dollar mark so it's it's 299 for [TS]

01:12:32   education buyers and it's it's thicker [TS]

01:12:36   than the one that it replaces presume [TS]

01:12:39   he's got a little bit more battery the [TS]

01:12:40   system on a chip is faster but not as [TS]

01:12:42   fast as it could be so it looks like a [TS]

01:12:45   good middle aerobic iPad yeah it's act [TS]

01:12:47   so when when this was first announced I [TS]

01:12:49   was kind of puzzled on like you know [TS]

01:12:50   it's kind of weak but if for some reason [TS]

01:12:53   I had miss parsed the price in my head [TS]

01:12:56   as for 29 and actually 329 and and I and [TS]

01:13:00   that's actually that's a bigger deal on [TS]

01:13:02   the price point than I originally [TS]

01:13:03   thought and and it's you know as we get [TS]

01:13:06   more you know detail on it it's it seems [TS]

01:13:08   like you know it's kind of arguable [TS]

01:13:10   whether it's a whether it's like a speck [TS]

01:13:12   bumped air to or whether it's more of a [TS]

01:13:15   cut-down 9.7 pro it's kind of in the [TS]

01:13:17   middle really with with some cut with [TS]

01:13:20   some new ways to cut the price [TS]

01:13:22   down like you know it only has the the [TS]

01:13:25   two speakers I like the like the older [TS]

01:13:28   iPads it does not have the laminated [TS]

01:13:31   screen like it like the when the pros [TS]

01:13:34   came out they came with this really nice [TS]

01:13:36   beautiful laminated screen where there's [TS]

01:13:38   no there's like a smaller or basically [TS]

01:13:40   zero screen gap like between the glass [TS]

01:13:42   and the screen and all the all the you [TS]

01:13:45   know at the iphone did this a couple [TS]

01:13:46   couple versions back to and the ipad [TS]

01:13:48   finally did it i think with the nine [TS]

01:13:50   point seven pro if not the heir to and [TS]

01:13:52   anyway so this one has the old-style [TS]

01:13:54   screamer there's like that gap there [TS]

01:13:55   like it's kind of a visible gap between [TS]

01:13:58   the glass and the screen so there's [TS]

01:13:59   there's things like that where it's cut [TS]

01:14:01   down and it lacks all the all the pro [TS]

01:14:03   you know the quote ipad pro feature so [TS]

01:14:06   does not have pencil support it doesn't [TS]

01:14:07   have doesn't have a smart connector but [TS]

01:14:09   for a lot of ipad buyers that's pretty [TS]

01:14:13   great I you know for 329 it's an amazing [TS]

01:14:18   value it compared to the rest of the [TS]

01:14:19   lineup whether you think it's an amazing [TS]

01:14:21   value compared to other tablets like [TS]

01:14:23   from amazon or other android weirdos [TS]

01:14:25   that's up to you it probably isn't but [TS]

01:14:28   oh well I don't think Apple cares but [TS]

01:14:30   compared to other iPads it's a fantastic [TS]

01:14:33   value for the money and you know as long [TS]

01:14:36   as you don't need any of those Pro [TS]

01:14:37   features but I think if you're willing [TS]

01:14:39   to like drop 160 bucks on a keyboard you [TS]

01:14:42   probably aren't that price sensitive [TS]

01:14:43   about the purchase price of the initial [TS]

01:14:45   iPad it's obviously being targeted [TS]

01:14:48   strongly at educational buyers but I [TS]

01:14:51   think it'll also just be a really good [TS]

01:14:52   entry-level iPad I think that's going to [TS]

01:14:55   be you know they're probably going to [TS]

01:14:57   sell a lot of these things just like and [TS]

01:14:59   and the fact they that it has fairly [TS]

01:15:01   modern internals is really nice sermon [TS]

01:15:04   from a user perspective from a developer [TS]

01:15:06   perspective it's really really nice I [TS]

01:15:08   mean to me the oh and also I wanted to [TS]

01:15:10   point out Stephen Hackett wrote a [TS]

01:15:12   wonderful article on 512 pixels citing [TS]

01:15:16   the interesting marketing copy [TS]

01:15:18   differences between the way Apple brands [TS]

01:15:21   this new cheaper iPad versus the way [TS]

01:15:23   they brand that I'm point 7 pro and this [TS]

01:15:25   new cheap one is all about fun it's like [TS]

01:15:27   you know casual fun and games and the [TS]

01:15:29   pros like this is your new supercomputer [TS]

01:15:31   it's like totally different marketing [TS]

01:15:33   guidelines but I think that makes sense [TS]

01:15:35   for how [TS]

01:15:36   they're targeting it the only major [TS]

01:15:37   question I have about it is it kind of [TS]

01:15:41   leaves the ipad mini in a weird spot [TS]

01:15:43   because the they also discontinued the [TS]

01:15:45   old mini so now there's only one iPad [TS]

01:15:48   Mini available it's more expensive than [TS]

01:15:50   this it's it's the it's the four hundred [TS]

01:15:52   dollar mini for 128 gig and so this to [TS]

01:15:58   me kind of looks like this is their [TS]

01:16:00   gradual way of maybe killing the mini I [TS]

01:16:03   don't know but short like this this new [TS]

01:16:06   9.7 is now I think better than better [TS]

01:16:11   than that mini in most ways and this is [TS]

01:16:14   clearly their new entry-level ipad so i [TS]

01:16:17   don't i don't think the mini has a lot [TS]

01:16:19   of places to go anymore but i don't know [TS]

01:16:21   I've never been a big fan of the mini [TS]

01:16:24   and if it's not going to be cheaper than [TS]

01:16:25   this than I don't know why anyone would [TS]

01:16:28   be into it unless they really love that [TS]

01:16:29   size but I mean in all fairness they do [TS]

01:16:31   still sell the ipod touch I'm gonna side [TS]

01:16:34   by the way there is actually one 16 [TS]

01:16:36   gigabyte model out the ipod touch which [TS]

01:16:38   everyone forgets exists is thing though [TS]

01:16:39   even at all markets it exists it almost [TS]

01:16:42   doesn't count but hey you know what you [TS]

01:16:44   can get the ipod touch and you can get [TS]

01:16:45   it in 16 32 64 and 128 no gaps no 256 [TS]

01:16:49   model but whatever so but for this for [TS]

01:16:53   this ipad this I think is what one of [TS]

01:16:55   the things that we would be on the show [TS]

01:16:58   at least would probably love it if Apple [TS]

01:17:00   did with this a laptop or desktop line [TS]

01:17:02   which is take a middle-of-the-road model [TS]

01:17:04   and make it cheaper and thicker like [TS]

01:17:08   trade like I bring the price down you [TS]

01:17:11   know make something that is you know [TS]

01:17:13   make it more powerful bring the price [TS]

01:17:15   down by sacrificing like the nice to [TS]

01:17:19   haves the laminated screen the couple of [TS]

01:17:21   millimetres of thickness there's a [TS]

01:17:24   little bit of extra weight in exchange [TS]

01:17:25   for like in this class like do you need [TS]

01:17:28   the fanciest most laminated screen do [TS]

01:17:30   you need true tone wouldn't you just [TS]

01:17:32   rather have a machine that is like a [TS]

01:17:34   hundred bucks cheaper but also pretty [TS]

01:17:36   darn fast and sacrifice like a [TS]

01:17:38   millimeter of thickness yes like that's [TS]

01:17:40   what a middle the road mouth should be [TS]

01:17:41   it makes the expensive one look like [TS]

01:17:44   what am I getting for money you're [TS]

01:17:45   getting fancier crap right it is [TS]

01:17:47   actually faster it's nicer it's it's [TS]

01:17:49   got the laminated screen on it it's got [TS]

01:17:51   the smarts connector or whatever you see [TS]

01:17:52   what you're paying for their but it is a [TS]

01:17:55   thing that gets bumped and doesn't just [TS]

01:17:56   you know it's not like the iPad to that [TS]

01:17:58   stays the same and it's just like super [TS]

01:17:59   crappy and you feel like you're getting [TS]

01:18:00   a terrible model um and the fact that [TS]

01:18:02   they made this thicker like I think [TS]

01:18:03   that's great that's exactly what we're [TS]

01:18:04   looking for please make those trade-offs [TS]

01:18:06   in the middle models to make a machine [TS]

01:18:09   that has better it gives people better [TS]

01:18:10   value for the money and so I'm [TS]

01:18:12   encouraged with us and I think someone [TS]

01:18:14   pointed out that the the ipad line is [TS]

01:18:15   now much simplified over its previous [TS]

01:18:18   thing now we have to ipad pros one of [TS]

01:18:20   which is a little creaky we'll talk [TS]

01:18:21   about later to iPad pro is that they [TS]

01:18:23   going in the small one and then you have [TS]

01:18:24   two other iPads which are not pro is the [TS]

01:18:26   big one in the small and and it's weird [TS]

01:18:27   that the mini is called like the ipad [TS]

01:18:29   mini 4 and i agree that it's a weird [TS]

01:18:32   product in it with a rear price and [TS]

01:18:33   maybe it will go away or maybe it itself [TS]

01:18:35   will get bumped in the same way [TS]

01:18:36   inevitable there will be a faster mini [TS]

01:18:38   for that is cheaper and that sacrifices [TS]

01:18:41   i don't know what you could sacrifice [TS]

01:18:42   what's left sacrificing on the mini i [TS]

01:18:44   don't know but overall i think this was [TS]

01:18:47   a good announcement and especially [TS]

01:18:48   especially for education i think they [TS]

01:18:50   need to drive it down farther for that [TS]

01:18:52   purpose is like kind of like the ipad 2 [TS]

01:18:53   was in the end of its life when it was [TS]

01:18:55   just so incredibly behind the times that [TS]

01:18:57   they could probably sell to education [TS]

01:18:59   for much less money but anyway thumbs up [TS]

01:19:01   so continuing with the summary and then [TS]

01:19:04   we'll come back and talk about each one [TS]

01:19:05   individually like i said there are not [TS]

01:19:08   that's not happening i was on board with [TS]

01:19:11   that plan but i did see i did like the [TS]

01:19:13   fact that we still be cruise through the [TS]

01:19:15   the red iphone on the SE in appropriate [TS]

01:19:18   with appropriate speed we don't need to [TS]

01:19:19   circle back to them it's red it looks [TS]

01:19:21   cool it's nice yeah so i guess since [TS]

01:19:24   we're talking about this now sorry Casey [TS]

01:19:25   oh my god the you deserve this for all [TS]

01:19:29   your follow-up complaints yeah yeah the [TS]

01:19:31   red iphone it's nice that it's product [TS]

01:19:34   red this is you know the in you know as [TS]

01:19:36   you mentioned about the charitable [TS]

01:19:38   donation part of this it is nice they [TS]

01:19:40   finally for the very first time brought [TS]

01:19:42   that to their most profitable product [TS]

01:19:45   the iphone like I guess maybe back in [TS]

01:19:46   the ipod days it might have been but but [TS]

01:19:48   anyway it's been a while you know you'll [TS]

01:19:50   be able to get red stuff from Apple you [TS]

01:19:53   know the right ipod touch has been there [TS]

01:19:55   for a while which by the way looks a lot [TS]

01:19:56   like the new read the you know that you [TS]

01:20:00   had like the product red watchbands [TS]

01:20:02   stuff like that [TS]

01:20:03   it's really nice to be able to finally [TS]

01:20:05   get on the iphone I hope you know for [TS]

01:20:07   when basically before the before we saw [TS]

01:20:10   the seven and there were some rumors of [TS]

01:20:12   new colors I believe I made some comment [TS]

01:20:14   back then about how like I would love [TS]

01:20:16   for them to replace all of the like old [TS]

01:20:18   metal colors like the silver space grey [TS]

01:20:21   gold rose gold I would like you know [TS]

01:20:23   those all I think look stale to me now [TS]

01:20:25   like all four of those I would say look [TS]

01:20:27   fairly overdone and dated these days I [TS]

01:20:31   and most of the products especially the [TS]

01:20:32   iphone so to have new colors is very [TS]

01:20:35   very welcome I was you know this and I [TS]

01:20:38   think this phone looks great I do think [TS]

01:20:40   it looks a little bit like the old ipod [TS]

01:20:41   touch and a little too uncomfortable [TS]

01:20:43   degree and and i agree with with mike's [TS]

01:20:46   complained that it should definitely [TS]

01:20:48   have a red circle around the touch ID [TS]

01:20:50   button because all the other phones have [TS]

01:20:52   metal color matching circles so there's [TS]

01:20:55   also have a black front i do not like [TS]

01:20:57   white-fronted phones I don't like white [TS]

01:21:00   fronts of the things but a lot of people [TS]

01:21:02   do so like it if they're not going to [TS]

01:21:04   make it in two colors like hey here's a [TS]

01:21:06   red back in a black front and I read a [TS]

01:21:07   black and a white front like they have [TS]

01:21:09   to pick one of them and it's just a [TS]

01:21:10   personal taste thing honestly I think [TS]

01:21:11   the white front looks really good i [TS]

01:21:13   would never want to own it for the [TS]

01:21:15   reasons I've talked to him before by [TS]

01:21:16   putting some reflective white surface [TS]

01:21:17   Nexus screen just makes you screen look [TS]

01:21:19   the engineer because it can never [TS]

01:21:20   compare to the sun shining off a white [TS]

01:21:22   thing like I think it's a I don't want [TS]

01:21:23   it and but it's totally personal [TS]

01:21:25   preference i think it looks I think it [TS]

01:21:27   looks really it looks like a Christmas [TS]

01:21:28   phone looks like a piece of candy people [TS]

01:21:31   say it in like a bad way like oh this [TS]

01:21:32   looks like the ipod touches the ipod [TS]

01:21:34   touches look cool I and you know and [TS]

01:21:36   because this is entirely a fashion thing [TS]

01:21:38   and a taste thing I I have no complaints [TS]

01:21:41   about the white front despite the fact [TS]

01:21:43   that I would never ever ever buy one [TS]

01:21:44   because you know they make phones that [TS]

01:21:47   some people are gonna like it looks [TS]

01:21:48   that's why they make them in different [TS]

01:21:49   colors all point of different calls you [TS]

01:21:50   know like this color pick a different [TS]

01:21:51   color and I love the fact that now there [TS]

01:21:54   was a color that is not silver black or [TS]

01:21:57   some tint thereof like it is a bold [TS]

01:21:58   color for a phone and last time you saw [TS]

01:22:00   that was like the 5c I guess which I [TS]

01:22:02   thought were also really fun well I i [TS]

01:22:04   would say jet black was and it was a [TS]

01:22:06   bold color of that scale like it wasn't [TS]

01:22:08   it wasn't expected you can get any bold [TS]

01:22:10   color as long it's black ya know like [TS]

01:22:12   like it wasn't it wasn't like something [TS]

01:22:14   I would have predicted or expected [TS]

01:22:16   good and ended up being but i would say [TS]

01:22:18   jet-black is is one of those like game [TS]

01:22:21   changer colors that really did really [TS]

01:22:22   did feel new and awesome that being said [TS]

01:22:25   I do wish this was like you know jet red [TS]

01:22:28   like I wish it had the finish of the jet [TS]

01:22:30   black like the tacky because it would [TS]

01:22:32   increase grip and everything and and I [TS]

01:22:34   think it might look a little bit more [TS]

01:22:35   modern because again i don't think i [TS]

01:22:37   would like more like the 5c which was [TS]

01:22:38   also very glossy and colored yeah but [TS]

01:22:40   look you know more saturated and newer [TS]

01:22:42   and you know thinner and everything else [TS]

01:22:44   I think that would help but not look [TS]

01:22:46   like an old ipod touch but I do think [TS]

01:22:48   this is overall very nice looking phone [TS]

01:22:50   the the timing is interesting of it [TS]

01:22:53   being mid-cycle this is about this is [TS]

01:22:56   about when they launched the the SE last [TS]

01:22:58   year right this is you know the cynical [TS]

01:23:01   take on this is this is a nice way for [TS]

01:23:03   them to boost sales in a very slow [TS]

01:23:05   traditionally quarter you know that it's [TS]

01:23:07   a nice way for them to boost sales on [TS]

01:23:08   their most profitable product line i [TS]

01:23:10   wish i did this more often like who [TS]

01:23:12   would complain if they if they treated [TS]

01:23:13   the phone back like watchband it's like [TS]

01:23:15   go out the year every couple months came [TS]

01:23:17   out with different colors of phones [TS]

01:23:18   because it i mean it's you know it gives [TS]

01:23:21   them the freedom to have lots of [TS]

01:23:22   different ideas and honestly does get [TS]

01:23:24   people more excited because phones are [TS]

01:23:25   very much faster and accessories and if [TS]

01:23:28   you can come up with different colors [TS]

01:23:29   and different parts of the year people [TS]

01:23:30   like it does renew your interesting [TS]

01:23:32   getting the phones especially if you see [TS]

01:23:34   the phones and you're like I don't know [TS]

01:23:36   if I need a new phone I'm not sure I [TS]

01:23:37   like all these new colors especially if [TS]

01:23:38   it the same as last year where it's like [TS]

01:23:40   gold rose gold and maybe you don't like [TS]

01:23:42   the jet black or whatever if you knew [TS]

01:23:44   you could wait three months and they [TS]

01:23:45   would be like you know a teal one or a [TS]

01:23:47   purple one or a yellow one I mean I [TS]

01:23:49   still see five Cs that are white now [TS]

01:23:50   like that's a cool looking phone right [TS]

01:23:52   it you know if it's fashion and the [TS]

01:23:56   watch is certainly are and the phone is [TS]

01:23:57   at this point too by all means do this [TS]

01:23:59   as many times as you want Apple I think [TS]

01:24:01   it's think it's great yeah also by the [TS]

01:24:03   way I think a jet white phone like with [TS]

01:24:04   the same finish but in white that would [TS]

01:24:06   look amazing oh yeah but yeah how are [TS]

01:24:08   you allowed to say that and I'm sitting [TS]

01:24:10   here quiet you're thinking it's a jet [TS]

01:24:13   white phone with a black front on it tho [TS]

01:24:14   i guess but that's true well i think [TS]

01:24:17   that would look better yeah i agree with [TS]

01:24:18   you i think the red with the white front [TS]

01:24:20   i think that does look better even [TS]

01:24:21   though i agree also that i wouldn't want [TS]

01:24:23   the white front but i think a black back [TS]

01:24:25   or I mean a white bag I think would only [TS]

01:24:27   look good with a black front [TS]

01:24:29   anyway there's a storm trooper phone [TS]

01:24:31   yeah exactly anyway uh Michael Harmon [TS]

01:24:34   and I want to wait found that god you're [TS]

01:24:37   killing me as big as it's a pleasing [TS]

01:24:39   shape so it does look good in white oh [TS]

01:24:40   oh my god what do I do to deserve this I [TS]

01:24:44   just try to keep you two in lines that [TS]

01:24:45   deserve that's just that this is a [TS]

01:24:47   foundational theory of white car is if [TS]

01:24:49   we not gone over this no we have we had [TS]

01:24:51   think we started with this I think we [TS]

01:24:54   did yeah so anyway I hope I hope you [TS]

01:24:57   know I would just love to see more color [TS]

01:25:00   and apples line in general so angry so I [TS]

01:25:03   hope they keep this up you know this is [TS]

01:25:05   great I don't really I'm not going to [TS]

01:25:07   you know go trade in my you know still [TS]

01:25:09   perfectly fine working iphone 7 that's [TS]

01:25:12   halfway through its cycle for this but [TS]

01:25:15   if I were buying new today I'd seriously [TS]

01:25:17   consider it although I Sultanate Lee I [TS]

01:25:19   still want the grip of the jet black [TS]

01:25:20   finish so i would probably slow side [TS]

01:25:22   against it but give me jet red and jet [TS]

01:25:25   white and we'll talk but anyway i hope [TS]

01:25:28   this fall when presumably new iphones [TS]

01:25:31   come out again all those it's hard to [TS]

01:25:33   say with that but when things will come [TS]

01:25:34   out but presumably this fall i hope they [TS]

01:25:38   continue with even with the new products [TS]

01:25:40   to offer cool new colors yeah I would [TS]

01:25:43   agree with that I really liked the look [TS]

01:25:45   at this I really do wish it was a black [TS]

01:25:47   front there's something to be said for [TS]

01:25:49   white perhaps being a better match but [TS]

01:25:52   the back of this does look awesome and [TS]

01:25:55   they've also released a couple of new [TS]

01:25:58   colors for iphone cases and i believe [TS]

01:26:01   was sapphire on screen anyway looked [TS]

01:26:03   really nice haven't seen it in person [TS]

01:26:05   and they've also released a bunch of [TS]

01:26:06   watch bands which largely matched the [TS]

01:26:10   case colors they've also started selling [TS]

01:26:13   nike+ bands separately which if you want [TS]

01:26:16   something that is for the most part [TS]

01:26:19   visually extremely loud power to you i [TS]

01:26:22   guess and now you can buy the band as a [TS]

01:26:24   sport band having all those holes in it [TS]

01:26:26   is really nice for ventilation because [TS]

01:26:27   the regular support band is pretty [TS]

01:26:28   sweaty because it just you know that's [TS]

01:26:30   solid surface that does not breathe it [TS]

01:26:32   all so the nike bands actually are nicer [TS]

01:26:35   for sport use for any kind of you know [TS]

01:26:37   if you're going to be hot and sweaty if [TS]

01:26:39   they are way nicer because they have [TS]

01:26:41   those holes my wife picked that when she [TS]

01:26:42   bought her watch [TS]

01:26:43   she bought the nike plus one and i think [TS]

01:26:45   in part because of the way she didn't [TS]

01:26:46   get like the neon one but the holes and [TS]

01:26:48   she's she likes it yeah like you know it [TS]

01:26:50   does look like some kind of crazy alien [TS]

01:26:52   creature but it is highly functional but [TS]

01:26:56   anyway one more thing before we get off [TS]

01:26:57   the phone the red phone one at one angle [TS]

01:27:00   I think might be interesting to consider [TS]

01:27:01   or I guess we'll see is like so there's [TS]

01:27:05   two there's two cynical takes and this [TS]

01:27:06   one I mentioned you know to boost sales [TS]

01:27:08   in a slow quarter the second is will [TS]

01:27:12   they release a product red phone with [TS]

01:27:14   the charitable donation portion of its [TS]

01:27:16   profits during the peak season in the [TS]

01:27:18   holidays like will will the will they [TS]

01:27:21   release it on day one basically for the [TS]

01:27:23   next phone because that could cost them [TS]

01:27:25   more money in donations that's the kind [TS]

01:27:28   of thing that I hope they would say you [TS]

01:27:29   know it's worth it and knowing Tim Cook [TS]

01:27:31   I think they probably would he you know [TS]

01:27:33   Jim cook he cares a lot about like [TS]

01:27:36   charitable causes and things that are [TS]

01:27:38   good for the world and for people's [TS]

01:27:39   health and everything else so I can see [TS]

01:27:41   him saying you know what screw it we'll [TS]

01:27:43   take the hit but it's so much money at [TS]

01:27:46   that scale at during the peak order that [TS]

01:27:48   it's it might be a tricky balance it did [TS]

01:27:52   back in the day they they did introduce [TS]

01:27:54   several iPods at the time when the ipod [TS]

01:27:56   was still very important product that [TS]

01:27:58   when a new line came out he would come [TS]

01:28:00   with the product red one like there was [TS]

01:28:01   no delay like what you're talking about [TS]

01:28:02   here are the new ipod nanos and you can [TS]

01:28:04   get by these five colors plus product [TS]

01:28:06   red that happened routinely i know is my [TS]

01:28:07   fought plot of the red ones because they [TS]

01:28:09   were cool neighbor red so i totally [TS]

01:28:11   think they'll do it i think it's just a [TS]

01:28:14   question of like manufacturing ramps and [TS]

01:28:16   how many different colors they can [TS]

01:28:18   handle and being able to deal with [TS]

01:28:20   multiple skews and the color variant [TS]

01:28:22   like we always have problems with that [TS]

01:28:23   like an era how well they try to predict [TS]

01:28:26   what the color mix will be there always [TS]

01:28:27   off by a little bit and it scales they [TS]

01:28:28   do it makes you frustrated they got like [TS]

01:28:30   look for a jet black one or remember [TS]

01:28:32   when people couldn't find the gold [TS]

01:28:33   phones for the very first gold one it's [TS]

01:28:35   difficult so I feel like if they don't [TS]

01:28:36   do it it will mostly be for inventory [TS]

01:28:39   control reasons clips for iOS a [TS]

01:28:42   forthcoming app that will how are they [TS]

01:28:46   pitching this it will basically let you [TS]

01:28:49   make little videos and I think it's [TS]

01:28:53   apple.com / clips what a link in the [TS]

01:28:56   show notes it's like snapchat for olds [TS]

01:28:57   it's not but it's not like snapshot know [TS]

01:28:59   this too many people who have who have [TS]

01:29:03   heard from Apple about this topic this [TS]

01:29:05   appears to be surprisingly to you know [TS]

01:29:08   we were all looking at the announcement [TS]

01:29:09   yesterday surprisingly perhaps the most [TS]

01:29:11   important announcement from Apple's [TS]

01:29:13   perspective of all the things we just [TS]

01:29:14   listed even though it is software not [TS]

01:29:16   hardware and even though it seems like [TS]

01:29:18   great you made an app that we can make [TS]

01:29:21   videos with unlike snapchat and [TS]

01:29:23   Instagram and all these other [TS]

01:29:25   applications that people use to take [TS]

01:29:26   videos of themselves and put words over [TS]

01:29:28   those videos and six stickers on their [TS]

01:29:30   faces and do all the other stuff that [TS]

01:29:31   they do this is not a ping version 2 [TS]

01:29:35   point 0 this is not an apple social [TS]

01:29:36   network this is not a way for you to [TS]

01:29:38   share videos for people this is a video [TS]

01:29:40   production tool this is a way for you to [TS]

01:29:42   make impressive looking videos that you [TS]

01:29:45   then shove on to all those social [TS]

01:29:47   networks run by companies that are not [TS]

01:29:49   Apple and it's leveraging Apple [TS]

01:29:51   strengths we know how to make nice [TS]

01:29:53   looking video transition effects we know [TS]

01:29:55   how to take video and incorporate other [TS]

01:29:57   elements in the video we know how to let [TS]

01:29:59   you somehow edit video with your fingers [TS]

01:30:01   on this tiny little phone screen we can [TS]

01:30:03   help you in the same way that I movie [TS]

01:30:05   helped you make like family movies that [TS]

01:30:07   looked a hundred times better than the [TS]

01:30:09   family movies they were cut together and [TS]

01:30:11   edited on someone's mini DV camcorder [TS]

01:30:14   like literally on the camcorder like you [TS]

01:30:16   can you use your mac to do it you got [TS]

01:30:17   these amazing transitions and effects [TS]

01:30:19   and things that are previously only [TS]

01:30:20   available and professional software you [TS]

01:30:21   know like you made that yourself even if [TS]

01:30:23   you just use one of the stinkin [TS]

01:30:24   templates or keynote made you let people [TS]

01:30:26   make tasteful presentations it didn't [TS]

01:30:28   look like they were made in PowerPoint [TS]

01:30:29   because they weren't like just by [TS]

01:30:30   providing good tools and templates [TS]

01:30:32   that's what this seems to be a very well [TS]

01:30:34   done application for video production [TS]

01:30:37   whose output is targeting all those [TS]

01:30:41   services that people use to share video [TS]

01:30:42   of themselves yeah I think it looks [TS]

01:30:45   really good like I this is this is [TS]

01:30:48   trying to tie together like three or [TS]

01:30:50   four different worlds none of which I [TS]

01:30:53   really understand or participate in very [TS]

01:30:55   much so it's hard for me to have a smart [TS]

01:30:57   take on how it will do but how it looks [TS]

01:30:59   on this page it looks good and I'm going [TS]

01:31:01   to play with it you do participate in it [TS]

01:31:04   because i watch videos of you on these [TS]

01:31:05   services often [TS]

01:31:06   taken by your wife I mean you do you do [TS]

01:31:09   periscope a lot that is one of these [TS]

01:31:10   services I know it's not like a [TS]

01:31:11   pre-produced thing where you put stuff [TS]

01:31:13   on but it is like hey I want to take [TS]

01:31:15   some spur-of-the-moment video that [TS]

01:31:18   immediately gets shared with people onto [TS]

01:31:19   a social network type of thing and it is [TS]

01:31:22   is perhaps the least invasive where [TS]

01:31:24   they're not putting little stickers over [TS]

01:31:26   your head or writing words on the screen [TS]

01:31:27   but you know for Instagram I follow [TS]

01:31:29   people who post daily Instagram stories [TS]

01:31:32   or whatever they're called where it's [TS]

01:31:33   just a series of small clips with some [TS]

01:31:35   text occasionally over it or some audio [TS]

01:31:38   and I got to tell you of all those [TS]

01:31:40   things that look at they look pretty [TS]

01:31:41   rough and if someone could use in it you [TS]

01:31:43   know it's a question of like do people [TS]

01:31:44   care enough about the quality to go into [TS]

01:31:46   an external app and like you know hit [TS]

01:31:48   the share button and share the Instagram [TS]

01:31:49   versus doing it from within the [TS]

01:31:50   instagram app but this this should be [TS]

01:31:53   Apple strength in the same way that I [TS]

01:31:55   movie was a you know demonstrated Apple [TS]

01:31:57   strengthened back in the day I photo [TS]

01:31:59   used to less now they make good software [TS]

01:32:03   for dealing with media and they're able [TS]

01:32:05   to do it even on the phone to leverage [TS]

01:32:08   all the hardware they have there that [TS]

01:32:10   makes it like a you know a little [TS]

01:32:11   magical video production studio to make [TS]

01:32:13   clever wit and was one of the things [TS]

01:32:15   they were saying there was clever says [TS]

01:32:16   it is facial recognition to know who's [TS]

01:32:17   in the video matches up with your [TS]

01:32:19   contact photos to say oh it looks like [TS]

01:32:21   in this video of these three people if [TS]

01:32:23   you want to share with them here are [TS]

01:32:24   their faces it does dictation for the [TS]

01:32:26   text so you don't have to type it in and [TS]

01:32:27   supposedly like when you dictate the [TS]

01:32:29   text if you dictate the test the text [TS]

01:32:31   with a certain cadence it will appear on [TS]

01:32:33   the screen with that cadence so you can [TS]

01:32:36   you know basically by speaking in a [TS]

01:32:37   certain manner make text appear in a way [TS]

01:32:41   that emphasizes the point of your video [TS]

01:32:43   as opposed to trying to time that with [TS]

01:32:44   like a bunch of curves you know and I [TS]

01:32:46   could be like lots and lots of clever [TS]

01:32:48   touches so what regular people do things [TS]

01:32:50   that are much more interesting I think [TS]

01:32:51   it will probably create a middle-tier [TS]

01:32:54   class of produced videos in the same way [TS]

01:32:57   that they were like professional people [TS]

01:32:59   producing vines presumably using like I [TS]

01:33:01   don't know if I even let you do this but [TS]

01:33:02   some it you know for other other types [TS]

01:33:04   of services where it's clear that there [TS]

01:33:06   is a group of people using tools way [TS]

01:33:08   more sophisticated than our available on [TS]

01:33:10   the social services native app to [TS]

01:33:12   nevertheless share that video on that [TS]

01:33:14   app so like they would make a video like [TS]

01:33:15   an final cut basically with a bunch of [TS]

01:33:17   cool effects and everything and trim it [TS]

01:33:18   down and share it on a social network [TS]

01:33:20   the same way that I take pictures with [TS]

01:33:21   my fancy camera and put them Instagram [TS]

01:33:23   and some people get cranky because like [TS]

01:33:24   it's only supposed to be pictures you [TS]

01:33:25   take with your phone like that's not how [TS]

01:33:26   I'm using Instagram I would imagine [TS]

01:33:28   there are people who are sharing things [TS]

01:33:30   through social services that are made [TS]

01:33:32   with very complicated tools but not [TS]

01:33:34   everyone can do that so this is like an [TS]

01:33:35   in-between thing you have you could use [TS]

01:33:38   the built-in tools for the sharing [TS]

01:33:39   services and make an okay video you go [TS]

01:33:41   one step back which is just a separate [TS]

01:33:43   application that's also on your phone [TS]

01:33:44   and still pretty darn easy to use but [TS]

01:33:46   you get a nicer result and then the [TS]

01:33:48   final one is you know use Final Cut the [TS]

01:33:49   pro to spend a week making this amazing [TS]

01:33:51   video that you hope will go viral and [TS]

01:33:52   you know dude do it anyway there's a [TS]

01:33:56   there's a video on the apple.com / clips [TS]

01:34:00   and the the section is called say it see [TS]

01:34:03   it and there's a little video of a [TS]

01:34:04   gentleman who is saying how to tie a bow [TS]

01:34:06   tie and you see the words pop on screen [TS]

01:34:08   just like you were describing John it [TS]

01:34:09   looks really clever I don't I have a [TS]

01:34:12   snapchat account I only ever use it to [TS]

01:34:15   send or receive pictures with Aaron and [TS]

01:34:18   Declan so often times when he wakes up [TS]

01:34:19   from nap she'll go in there and like [TS]

01:34:21   take a goofy picture with one of the [TS]

01:34:22   goofy filters and I gotta say it is [TS]

01:34:24   actually quite delightful I don't have [TS]

01:34:26   the faintest idea how to use the actual [TS]

01:34:28   features of snapchat that you're [TS]

01:34:29   supposed to be using because I'm old I [TS]

01:34:32   do like Instagram stories I don't find [TS]

01:34:34   myself doing it very often because my [TS]

01:34:36   day is usually pretty boring but I think [TS]

01:34:39   they're super cool and I like that the [TS]

01:34:41   features they've added and so this to me [TS]

01:34:43   I think Marco I know you were being [TS]

01:34:45   snarky but I think you're right to some [TS]

01:34:47   degree to a small degree I do think this [TS]

01:34:49   is snapchat for old people but I'm [TS]

01:34:51   really amped about this I think this is [TS]

01:34:52   going to be super neat to play with and [TS]

01:34:54   it may be that i play with it twice [TS]

01:34:55   never use it again but i really think [TS]

01:34:58   this is apple firing on all cylinders in [TS]

01:35:01   theory anyway we'll see what it when [TS]

01:35:02   it's released but it's embracing all the [TS]

01:35:05   stuff they're good at just like you guys [TS]

01:35:06   said in and ignoring the stuff they're [TS]

01:35:08   not so rather than making another paying [TS]

01:35:09   they're just using this to create [TS]

01:35:11   content and then pushing it to the [TS]

01:35:13   places where you want that content to be [TS]

01:35:15   which is awesome and a lot of really [TS]

01:35:17   nice little touches on here like the oh [TS]

01:35:19   you have Aaron in this video do you want [TS]

01:35:21   to send it to early this all sounds [TS]

01:35:23   really really cool and I'm really [TS]

01:35:24   looking forward to playing with it i'm [TS]

01:35:26   not entirely sure why it was announced [TS]

01:35:28   today like i'm not sure what that really [TS]

01:35:30   buys them because it's almost done I [TS]

01:35:33   guess but Lexi [TS]

01:35:34   that's the thing though like like what [TS]

01:35:35   they did all these announcements via [TS]

01:35:38   this barrage of press releases but after [TS]

01:35:41   these announcements were over and [TS]

01:35:43   throughout the entire day yesterday when [TS]

01:35:44   they're getting all this press you still [TS]

01:35:46   can't pre-order the red iphone you still [TS]

01:35:48   can't pre-order the new cheap ipad you [TS]

01:35:51   can't download the clips app or even [TS]

01:35:54   they didn't even do like the App Store [TS]

01:35:56   notify me thing like they did from Mario [TS]

01:35:58   run like there's nothing we can do about [TS]

01:36:00   this like we're interested now give us a [TS]

01:36:02   way to turn that into something for you [TS]

01:36:04   later Apple but no instead we just have [TS]

01:36:07   to try to remember about these things [TS]

01:36:09   and then when they are available in you [TS]

01:36:12   know a week or three then go get them [TS]

01:36:14   then but like why why couldn't they do [TS]

01:36:18   anything what like why do they have to [TS]

01:36:20   announce this yesterday when none of [TS]

01:36:22   this stuff is even ready to pre-order [TS]

01:36:24   exactly no they're trying to be trying [TS]

01:36:26   to space it out you know like they have [TS]

01:36:28   other announcements they don't want to [TS]

01:36:29   push it up against them like I don't [TS]

01:36:32   really because I think the Apple line [TS]

01:36:34   and this is that they're not the type of [TS]

01:36:38   products that there's going to be a mad [TS]

01:36:40   rush for people to get like it doesn't [TS]

01:36:42   really matter when I tell you about [TS]

01:36:43   clips being a thing because it's going [TS]

01:36:45   to be like a slow burn even though it's [TS]

01:36:47   not even available it requires I was [TS]

01:36:48   10.3 actually so no one's gotten it [TS]

01:36:51   until iOS emily three comes out and 10.3 [TS]

01:36:52   is not coming out until you next month [TS]

01:36:54   sometime probably but it's not this may [TS]

01:36:57   be the iphone you could argue like there [TS]

01:36:59   could be a potential rush for that but [TS]

01:37:00   you know i don't know why they all came [TS]

01:37:02   together i don't know why they're all [TS]

01:37:03   not available but i don't think it [TS]

01:37:05   matters that much because for all these [TS]

01:37:07   type of products it's not the type of [TS]

01:37:09   thing where you have to strike while the [TS]

01:37:10   iron is hot and build up a frenzy of [TS]

01:37:12   activity is just going to be cool new [TS]

01:37:13   stuff that Apple's coming out with just [TS]

01:37:15   so you know here it is it'll be here [TS]

01:37:17   it'll be here before you know it but [TS]

01:37:18   it's not a big deal like I don't think [TS]

01:37:20   anybody is it has money burning a hole [TS]

01:37:23   in their pocket for that new iPad even [TS]

01:37:25   though it is better than the old one [TS]

01:37:26   just lets you know if you were thinking [TS]

01:37:27   ab item on maybe wait a little bit and [TS]

01:37:29   for the application it'll be coming out [TS]

01:37:32   soon but it requires the new OS and you [TS]

01:37:34   know I I you can question why didn't [TS]

01:37:37   they wait until like one of the items is [TS]

01:37:39   available and like it was announced [TS]

01:37:41   because that one's all that one's [TS]

01:37:42   available the other ones aren't because [TS]

01:37:43   you can't really make try to make them [TS]

01:37:45   all simultaneously [TS]

01:37:46   particularly mind that they they talk [TS]

01:37:49   about it ahead of time especially since [TS]

01:37:50   like there is something to be said for [TS]

01:37:51   having all the sights talk about it you [TS]

01:37:54   can't get this net but here's our [TS]

01:37:55   exclusive look like you know here here [TS]

01:37:57   is it was the red iphone that you can't [TS]

01:37:59   get your hands on and here is the clips [TS]

01:38:00   app that if anybody has a Clips app that [TS]

01:38:03   won't be out until 10.3 that is another [TS]

01:38:05   way to build hype so who knows I don't [TS]

01:38:08   think anyone even has it i mean like the [TS]

01:38:09   reviewers we at least know like [TS]

01:38:11   reviewers seem to have read iphones but [TS]

01:38:14   i don't think i haven't heard anybody [TS]

01:38:15   mentioned that they have eclipse anyway [TS]

01:38:17   it doesn't matter although the clips out [TS]

01:38:18   by the way getting back to that string [TS]

01:38:19   of playing to their strengths oh the [TS]

01:38:21   more negative tech I'm playing To Your [TS]

01:38:23   Strengths is it is a further emphasis of [TS]

01:38:26   your weakness because like it if you had [TS]

01:38:28   to pick who do you want to be the [TS]

01:38:30   company that is really good in making it [TS]

01:38:32   like a high-quality clever nice [TS]

01:38:34   interface powerful application it takes [TS]

01:38:36   advantage of your phone's hardware to [TS]

01:38:37   make cool videos or the company that [TS]

01:38:39   owns the social network where all those [TS]

01:38:41   videos will be posted whether it be [TS]

01:38:42   Instagram or snapchat or whatever I [TS]

01:38:44   think Apple would trade in a second to [TS]

01:38:46   be the the company that controls the [TS]

01:38:49   social networks where that because [TS]

01:38:51   that's there's more value in being the [TS]

01:38:53   place where people post all their stuff [TS]

01:38:54   than there is in making the application [TS]

01:38:56   that lets people post their stuff and i [TS]

01:38:59   like when i gave the hierarchy before [TS]

01:39:01   was that most people are going to use [TS]

01:39:02   the app a second tier is much fewer [TS]

01:39:05   people who care more about quality will [TS]

01:39:07   use this thing and then a third tier is [TS]

01:39:09   even fewer people use professional tools [TS]

01:39:10   so they're not even getting the fat part [TS]

01:39:12   of that market right i think if they [TS]

01:39:14   could choose they would say boy we [TS]

01:39:16   really wish we were instagram or boy we [TS]

01:39:17   really wish we were snapchat or whatever [TS]

01:39:19   but they aren't and they can't be and [TS]

01:39:21   they're bad at that stuff so at the very [TS]

01:39:23   least this is always talking about like [TS]

01:39:24   people who sell apples good at software [TS]

01:39:27   and they make good interfaces the [TS]

01:39:28   dimensions like are they what [TS]

01:39:30   application have been made recently that [TS]

01:39:31   shows that Apple actually knows how to [TS]

01:39:32   make good applications get workflows an [TS]

01:39:34   example and a phenomenal application [TS]

01:39:35   like we get to the point where I feel [TS]

01:39:37   like the ABA winners I think workflow [TS]

01:39:38   one and a da da da winners are like all [TS]

01:39:41   those applications are better than [TS]

01:39:43   what's Apple is doing whereas this feels [TS]

01:39:44   like a return to form or Apple saying [TS]

01:39:46   the ABA sr4 a cup for people making [TS]

01:39:49   software that we feel like exemplifies [TS]

01:39:51   the ideals and the api's that we're [TS]

01:39:53   promoting or whatever then we at Apple [TS]

01:39:55   are interested in and we at apple also [TS]

01:40:00   want to make applications of that level [TS]

01:40:01   and for a long time it seemed like Apple [TS]

01:40:03   was no longer able to make really great [TS]

01:40:05   applications consistently and clips [TS]

01:40:09   looks like a modern version of really [TS]

01:40:11   great application and rather than being [TS]

01:40:13   a Mac application or like a pro [TS]

01:40:14   application it's like this is this is an [TS]

01:40:17   application to do a simple thing so I [TS]

01:40:18   was like one of the thing then was the [TS]

01:40:19   use of WC so you want to make an [TS]

01:40:21   application that does video those people [TS]

01:40:23   make videos for social services what [TS]

01:40:25   kind of features could you add to it if [TS]

01:40:26   you took advantage of all our api's and [TS]

01:40:28   could you make a really clever interface [TS]

01:40:30   and use all our you know new systems for [TS]

01:40:32   laying out the UI and use everything you [TS]

01:40:35   learn from like it looks like a really [TS]

01:40:38   good third-party application which at [TS]

01:40:40   this point is a high compliment for [TS]

01:40:42   something that Apple puts out yeah i'm [TS]

01:40:47   looking forward to trying this and who [TS]

01:40:48   knows that like i said if i'll ever use [TS]

01:40:49   it but i'm really excited about yeah and [TS]

01:40:51   the application itself like I'm less [TS]

01:40:53   concerned about like you know whatever [TS]

01:40:54   maybe no one will ever use it but I'm [TS]

01:40:56   excited to see Apple making really good [TS]

01:40:59   iOS applications again I always [TS]

01:41:00   applications that even third-party [TS]

01:41:02   developers say that's a good I osf in [TS]

01:41:04   the same way we all say that about you [TS]

01:41:05   know workflow or whatever that's that's [TS]

01:41:07   what's encouraging to me about there's [TS]

01:41:08   not the specifics of like always he made [TS]

01:41:10   an appt to chair video or whatever so I [TS]

01:41:12   did briefly want to address the other [TS]

01:41:15   thing that happened when all these [TS]

01:41:17   announcements dropped which is a bunch [TS]

01:41:19   of people got really mad at things that [TS]

01:41:21   weren't announced and I was one of them [TS]

01:41:24   you know as I mentioned earlier I was [TS]

01:41:26   hoping for a inch macbook update that [TS]

01:41:29   didn't happen yep many people have been [TS]

01:41:32   waiting for imac updates that were [TS]

01:41:34   supposed to happen last fall didn't [TS]

01:41:36   happen lots of people expected the nine [TS]

01:41:40   point seven and twelve point nine inch [TS]

01:41:41   iPad pros to be updated because the nine [TS]

01:41:45   point seven is due now the 12.9 assuming [TS]

01:41:48   it has the same cycle as the other ones [TS]

01:41:50   is now past due by about half a year and [TS]

01:41:52   so a lot of people are mad you know like [TS]

01:41:54   and there was the rumored 10.5 inch iPad [TS]

01:41:57   and I think John Gruber's take on this [TS]

01:41:58   on daring fireball is probably right [TS]

01:42:00   which is like it probably never made [TS]

01:42:02   sense to launch that in the spring that [TS]

01:42:04   probably see that sounds more like a you [TS]

01:42:07   know let the iphone debut the new design [TS]

01:42:09   language and then release the iPad [TS]

01:42:10   afterwards kind of thing or do them both [TS]

01:42:12   it wants to be a big bang [TS]

01:42:14   you know or so but I get it also things [TS]

01:42:16   make more sense than what what was [TS]

01:42:18   predicted which was like you're gonna [TS]

01:42:20   get 20 new iPhones in mar 22 iPads in [TS]

01:42:22   March and they're gonna be weird sizes [TS]

01:42:24   that aren't consistent with each other [TS]

01:42:25   and one of them is going to be amazing [TS]

01:42:26   it's like really it's not know exactly [TS]

01:42:28   never sounded right and we keep hearing [TS]

01:42:30   rumblings to about major iPad [TS]

01:42:33   enhancements in iPad productivity [TS]

01:42:35   multitasking things like that major [TS]

01:42:37   enhancements that were originally [TS]

01:42:39   supposed to be coming out about now with [TS]

01:42:41   iOS 10.3 and that we've heard recently [TS]

01:42:44   that those have been delayed until iOS [TS]

01:42:47   11 presumably in the fall so if that's [TS]

01:42:50   the case it also might make sense to [TS]

01:42:52   hold back this new 10 and a half inch [TS]

01:42:54   crazy awesome iPad pro and maybe an [TS]

01:42:57   update to the 12.9 as well that's going [TS]

01:42:59   to happen to hold those back until like [TS]

01:43:02   whatever september-october event is the [TS]

01:43:05   public launch of iOS 11 that's usually [TS]

01:43:07   what they do like you know though that [TS]

01:43:09   they will show us all at WTC in the [TS]

01:43:12   summertime like the core features and [TS]

01:43:13   then when it when it comes time for [TS]

01:43:15   launch day for that OS in the [TS]

01:43:17   september-october event there will be [TS]

01:43:19   new hardware that makes it even better [TS]

01:43:21   usually as an iphone event but you know [TS]

01:43:22   as John just said it could be both so [TS]

01:43:25   that makes sense but I think the reason [TS]

01:43:27   why people were so mad and still are so [TS]

01:43:29   mad is that you know traditionally at [TS]

01:43:33   most Apple products have been on a [TS]

01:43:35   predictable schedule you know like the [TS]

01:43:37   ipad and iphone is about one year max [TS]

01:43:40   were about one year to maybe 18 months [TS]

01:43:43   for most families we complain about the [TS]

01:43:45   Mac Pro and people complain about the [TS]

01:43:47   mac mini those have honestly always been [TS]

01:43:49   on ridiculous schedules usually not this [TS]

01:43:51   ridiculous but but like you know that's [TS]

01:43:53   not new for those families but like most [TS]

01:43:54   most mammals products you could pretty [TS]

01:43:56   much extrapolate based on their previous [TS]

01:43:58   release schedules okay this one will be [TS]

01:44:00   out in about a year this will be updated [TS]

01:44:01   in about a year and a half etc and so [TS]

01:44:03   even even if Apple has said nothing [TS]

01:44:06   about future products which is usually [TS]

01:44:08   the case you you as like if you're [TS]

01:44:10   waiting for an updated like if you're if [TS]

01:44:12   you want to buy an imac today and if you [TS]

01:44:15   do any research at all which many people [TS]

01:44:17   do you know people people in the geek [TS]

01:44:20   sphere often think that like you know [TS]

01:44:21   quote normal people just walk into an [TS]

01:44:23   apple store just buy whatever's there [TS]

01:44:24   and they don't do any research but [TS]

01:44:26   that's wrong [TS]

01:44:27   a lot of people do research and a lot [TS]

01:44:28   more people than we give credit for do [TS]

01:44:31   the kind of research that can tell them [TS]

01:44:33   like you know I should probably wait and [TS]

01:44:34   not by this yet because the new ones are [TS]

01:44:36   becoming soon anyway so when the product [TS]

01:44:38   that you're waiting for is past due for [TS]

01:44:42   an expected update every announcement [TS]

01:44:45   that Apple makes every event they have [TS]

01:44:47   every new product release that passes by [TS]

01:44:49   that you don't get the thing you're [TS]

01:44:51   waiting for that feels like a delay even [TS]

01:44:54   though they never said they were gonna [TS]

01:44:55   release it because it isn't officially a [TS]

01:44:58   delay because they never announced it [TS]

01:44:59   but it feels like you were told this and [TS]

01:45:03   you might even been told that by Apple [TS]

01:45:05   experts by the apple press by Apple [TS]

01:45:07   commentators who you know the rest of [TS]

01:45:10   the year they tell you oh you're being [TS]

01:45:12   impatient just wait until wdc or the [TS]

01:45:16   fall event or the spring event like it's [TS]

01:45:18   always I'll just wait till the next X it [TS]

01:45:20   just keep waiting keep waiting that's [TS]

01:45:22   what you're told when you look into this [TS]

01:45:23   kind of stuff and so when that event [TS]

01:45:25   comes and goes and you still don't have [TS]

01:45:27   your update that you thought was do that [TS]

01:45:30   feels like something was taken away from [TS]

01:45:31   you it feels like it was delayed even [TS]

01:45:32   though Apple never never officially [TS]

01:45:34   promised it and when there's only a [TS]

01:45:37   couple of products that are on these [TS]

01:45:38   delays like the mac pro in the mac mini [TS]

01:45:40   well those are always on these delays I [TS]

01:45:42   think that's no surprise but but you [TS]

01:45:45   know as we mentioned in past shows it [TS]

01:45:47   does seem like there's more of those [TS]

01:45:48   product lines than usual right now 2016 [TS]

01:45:51   was an especially bad year we're still [TS]

01:45:54   you know at least the laptops recovered [TS]

01:45:56   from that now that was a big one but you [TS]

01:45:58   know there's still some of these [TS]

01:45:59   products like the 12 point on a tripod [TS]

01:46:00   that was kind of sitting around waiting [TS]

01:46:01   for an update and you know as I said [TS]

01:46:04   earlier I think the new reality is that [TS]

01:46:07   there is no apple product line except [TS]

01:46:11   probably the iphone that is on a regular [TS]

01:46:14   schedule anymore every other one they [TS]

01:46:18   could they could have updated at every [TS]

01:46:19   year for the last five years and then [TS]

01:46:20   well now it's on a two-year cycle now [TS]

01:46:22   it's on an 18-month cycle what like we [TS]

01:46:25   can't depend on that that way of [TS]

01:46:27   predicting long schedules anymore like [TS]

01:46:29   whatever interval they've been on in the [TS]

01:46:31   past is now totally irrelevant for [TS]

01:46:34   possibly every product but if not [TS]

01:46:36   probably not the iphone but but probably [TS]

01:46:39   everything else [TS]

01:46:40   so there are some speculation there [TS]

01:46:42   might still be like an April event there [TS]

01:46:45   was like on the WTC wall of text that [TS]

01:46:49   was on the big walls downstairs there [TS]

01:46:51   was like Hello April is at April [TS]

01:46:52   eighteenth what was the event was the [TS]

01:46:54   date on that deal I don't remember I [TS]

01:46:56   know what you're talking about but I [TS]

01:46:57   don't remember somewhere on the teens i [TS]

01:46:59   think in april that was like printed on [TS]

01:47:01   there as a possible easter egg so there [TS]

01:47:03   might still be in april event maybe [TS]

01:47:05   they're going to be at the new Steve [TS]

01:47:06   Jobs theater on on the new apple campus [TS]

01:47:09   who knows but if I had to bet money on [TS]

01:47:12   it i would guess they probably aren't [TS]

01:47:14   done announcing things for the spring [TS]

01:47:16   yet because the other thing is like WTC [TS]

01:47:19   in recent years has really been a [TS]

01:47:21   software-only event for the most part [TS]

01:47:23   there's usually there's so much to talk [TS]

01:47:26   about during that keynote because there [TS]

01:47:28   is usually so many changes to iOS watch [TS]

01:47:32   OS TVO as like there's so much to cram [TS]

01:47:35   in there that they have they have in [TS]

01:47:37   recent years been minimizing or [TS]

01:47:39   eliminating any kind of hardware release [TS]

01:47:41   talk from that keynote and they also [TS]

01:47:43   don't tend to do any other events in the [TS]

01:47:44   summertime besides that one because you [TS]

01:47:46   know everyone's on vacation in july and [TS]

01:47:47   august and everything so so i'm guessing [TS]

01:47:49   if they have anything more to announce [TS]

01:47:52   before September we're probably like [TS]

01:47:55   hardware and product wise not software [TS]

01:47:57   wise we're probably going to still hear [TS]

01:47:59   about it maybe you know maybe in April [TS]

01:48:00   we'll see if I had to bet whether or not [TS]

01:48:03   they would be an event in April right [TS]

01:48:04   now I'd say probably yes but I wouldn't [TS]

01:48:07   bet Casey five bucks on it you know it's [TS]

01:48:10   funny you bring all this up I was um I [TS]

01:48:12   was thinking about this earlier today [TS]

01:48:14   and we've also gotten a couple emails [TS]

01:48:16   and I don't have them in front of me but [TS]

01:48:18   somebody wrote in saying you know [TS]

01:48:21   listing this scenario i don't know maybe [TS]

01:48:23   five years ago and like snow leopard was [TS]

01:48:25   about to come out or something like that [TS]

01:48:27   and you know hey here's the scenario [TS]

01:48:28   everyone was upset about a b c d e f and [TS]

01:48:31   g we all thought the world was ending [TS]

01:48:32   all the pundits all the all the [TS]

01:48:34   podcasters everyone thought the world [TS]

01:48:36   was ending turns out it really wasn't [TS]

01:48:37   that bad and yet i left yesterday I [TS]

01:48:41   didn't go anywhere but you know at the [TS]

01:48:43   end of yesterday I felt like me and I [TS]

01:48:45   don't know if I was too excited about [TS]

01:48:48   all this like I knew I that Clips looked [TS]

01:48:50   kind of cool but the rest of it I just [TS]

01:48:51   didn't really care [TS]

01:48:53   and the first constructive thought I had [TS]

01:48:56   was well it's just that these weren't [TS]

01:48:58   for me these announcements weren't for [TS]

01:49:00   me does make them bad and in fact [TS]

01:49:01   reflecting on them now today with you [TS]

01:49:03   guys they're pretty good truth be told [TS]

01:49:06   but they weren't for me and most [TS]

01:49:08   specifically I don't have my damn [TS]

01:49:09   adorable refresh but that's okay but I [TS]

01:49:15   started thinking you know why is it that [TS]

01:49:17   I feel disappointed about this in a way [TS]

01:49:22   that I don't think i would have a few [TS]

01:49:23   years back and I think a lot of it marco [TS]

01:49:27   was what you said was that there was a a [TS]

01:49:29   pretty reliable cadence to how Apple [TS]

01:49:31   release stuff up until fairly recently [TS]

01:49:33   and that's not quite so reliable anymore [TS]

01:49:37   which on the surface I should be excited [TS]

01:49:39   about because it means things are less [TS]

01:49:42   predictable and more exciting but I'm [TS]

01:49:45   not that excited about it because I'm [TS]

01:49:47   not always excited about levels [TS]

01:49:50   releasing any more I am always excited [TS]

01:49:53   about new iPhones because every single [TS]

01:49:54   time I think there's been an improvement [TS]

01:49:56   but everything else that's hit or miss [TS]

01:49:58   right like I've not used to touch bar [TS]

01:50:00   for more than a couple of minutes to [TS]

01:50:02   this day but I'm not overwhelmingly [TS]

01:50:04   amped to go get myself one and stuff [TS]

01:50:08   just but I've been trying and I haven't [TS]

01:50:09   come to any great conclusions but I'm [TS]

01:50:11   trying to figure out you know why am i [TS]

01:50:12   less excited about late announcements of [TS]

01:50:15   late than I have been in the past and [TS]

01:50:17   the only other thing I can come to is [TS]

01:50:19   that I feel like there was always [TS]

01:50:22   something in every single product that I [TS]

01:50:25   could be like holy hell that looks [TS]

01:50:27   awesome and so maybe a product that I [TS]

01:50:29   didn't really care about so as an [TS]

01:50:30   example the twelve point nine inch iPad [TS]

01:50:33   pro I don't have any desire for that in [TS]

01:50:36   my life but I can see cool things about [TS]

01:50:38   it and similarly like the smart keyboard [TS]

01:50:40   for both sizes that's cool and that was [TS]

01:50:43   fairly recent in fairness but I don't [TS]

01:50:47   know I just I feel like in years past [TS]

01:50:48   everything had something really cool [TS]

01:50:51   about it maybe I'm just becoming a [TS]

01:50:53   cynical old man maybe that's the problem [TS]

01:50:55   but I'm just less excited about it and I [TS]

01:50:57   think a lot of that is the cadence some [TS]

01:50:59   of that is that these products just may [TS]

01:51:02   not be for me anymore [TS]

01:51:04   or and and maybe I just gotta get okay [TS]

01:51:07   with that you know what still is [TS]

01:51:10   possibly for you what the macbook escape [TS]

01:51:13   man it's a really good computer I think [TS]

01:51:16   asked me a few weeks yeah I'll ask you [TS]

01:51:19   in 15 days after the lag if it's not a [TS]

01:51:22   real computer I might have a macbook [TS]

01:51:24   escape to sell you yeah funny about four [TS]

01:51:28   people being angry about this like I [TS]

01:51:30   mean I think it's what we talked about a [TS]

01:51:33   lot a lot of the other announcements for [TS]

01:51:34   it's like it is not so much about what's [TS]

01:51:36   announced is just like sort of simmering [TS]

01:51:38   desire / resentment for things out that [TS]

01:51:41   aren't getting updated and so every time [TS]

01:51:43   something happens it does include the [TS]

01:51:44   thing you want just makes you angry but [TS]

01:51:46   everyone knew this was going to be like [TS]

01:51:48   there was no event where people were [TS]

01:51:49   going out to sit in a room to listen to [TS]

01:51:51   someone talk this was a press release [TS]

01:51:52   only thing right it wasn't it wasn't [TS]

01:51:54   like they they had everyone come out to [TS]

01:51:56   a location you know so everyone knows [TS]

01:51:58   when when it's a press release only [TS]

01:51:59   thing its lesser stuff the idea that [TS]

01:52:02   they were to release a new 10.5 inch [TS]

01:52:04   iPad you know with an entirely new [TS]

01:52:06   physical design without calling a bunch [TS]

01:52:08   of press to come to a room and sit there [TS]

01:52:11   and get a presentation like that's not [TS]

01:52:14   you know the the amount of ceremony [TS]

01:52:18   surrounding the announcements matches [TS]

01:52:21   the the magnitude of the announcements [TS]

01:52:23   so this is going to be hey it's just [TS]

01:52:25   going to be a bunch of press releases [TS]

01:52:26   and some journalists will get briefed in [TS]

01:52:28   various locations but we're not [TS]

01:52:30   gathering everybody into a room we're [TS]

01:52:31   not doing a live Sheeran you know what's [TS]

01:52:33   the caliber of the stuff that's going to [TS]

01:52:34   be there so being disappointed that you [TS]

01:52:37   didn't even get like a macbook refresh I [TS]

01:52:38   mean it's conceivable that you could [TS]

01:52:40   have got a macbook refresh with with [TS]

01:52:41   this caliber of announcement but what I [TS]

01:52:44   don't think is that it doesn't actually [TS]

01:52:45   reset like are now now it's almost like [TS]

01:52:48   a delay because they're not going to [TS]

01:52:49   have a vent right after this I think [TS]

01:52:51   it's entirely conceivable that they [TS]

01:52:52   could have here's the press release only [TS]

01:52:54   stuff and then here is an event where [TS]

01:52:56   ever we actually invite people out in [TS]

01:52:58   the near future that it doesn't push any [TS]

01:53:00   future announcements out at all because [TS]

01:53:02   very often they have the thing where [TS]

01:53:04   they dump a bunch of pre-announcements [TS]

01:53:06   and press releases sometimes they do [TS]

01:53:08   like the day before like the real event [TS]

01:53:10   where actual you know people sit in a [TS]

01:53:11   room and get it get a little song and [TS]

01:53:13   dance from Apple right so I totally [TS]

01:53:16   understand [TS]

01:53:17   the idea that like every time apple says [TS]

01:53:19   anything and it doesn't include the [TS]

01:53:20   thing that you think should be coming [TS]

01:53:22   that it's painful but the actual things [TS]

01:53:27   that were announced here all seemed fine [TS]

01:53:28   and I actually don't think it pushes [TS]

01:53:30   anything back it doesn't mean that [TS]

01:53:32   there's an imminent announcement or [TS]

01:53:33   anything you could still be cranky about [TS]

01:53:34   the fact that the ipad pro does need an [TS]

01:53:37   update and hasn't got one and when is it [TS]

01:53:39   going to come and if it doesn't come in [TS]

01:53:40   April does that mean I have to wait to [TS]

01:53:41   the beauty like you can continue to be [TS]

01:53:42   sad about that but honestly like I guess [TS]

01:53:46   it's just people getting over the idea [TS]

01:53:47   that the ipad pro might not be updated [TS]

01:53:50   every time there are obvious technology [TS]

01:53:52   upgrades to it like you would think oh [TS]

01:53:53   well surely the big iPad pro will get [TS]

01:53:55   the truth on screen out of the small and [TS]

01:53:56   has it and you wait and wait and wait [TS]

01:53:58   but you know talk to my pro people about [TS]

01:54:01   waiting like you're cranky because [TS]

01:54:02   you're like it's one year come on chop [TS]

01:54:04   chopping like one year haha so young so [TS]

01:54:06   young lease your product will still be [TS]

01:54:09   released thanks to our three sponsors [TS]

01:54:11   this week hello fresh Squarespace and [TS]

01:54:14   fracture and we will see you next week [TS]

01:54:16   now the show is over they didn't even [TS]

01:54:22   mean to begin as it was accidental oh it [TS]

01:54:27   was accidental John didn't [TS]

01:54:31   money research Marco and Casey wouldn't [TS]

01:54:34   let [TS]

01:54:35   cuz it was accidental it was accidental [TS]

01:54:39   and you can find the show notes at ATP [TS]

01:54:43   FM I live for into twitter you can [TS]

01:54:49   follow them at cas eyl ISS so that's [TS]

01:54:55   Casey list and a osseo a RM Angie Marco [TS]

01:55:00   are men and I are a c-usa Syracuse we [TS]

01:55:20   have important after show facts about a [TS]

01:55:22   PFS I know you guys are dying for an [TS]

01:55:24   exciting after-show on that my god I'm [TS]

01:55:26   so ready what mailing list is on this is [TS]

01:55:29   on one of apples one of apple's mailing [TS]

01:55:33   lists people complaining about bugs [TS]

01:55:35   being closed about a PFS on iOS [TS]

01:55:37   obviously because it's you know it's not [TS]

01:55:38   officially for the mac actually it's [TS]

01:55:41   still beta for iOS to anyway the bug was [TS]

01:55:44   closed with this explanation iosh best [TS]

01:55:47   normalization and unicode names i have i [TS]

01:55:50   oh Sh of us normalized unicode names [TS]

01:55:52   which was we know like they folded it [TS]

01:55:54   all into a particular normalization of [TS]

01:55:55   their thing and so that's why you would [TS]

01:55:56   you no matter how you enter the file [TS]

01:55:58   name it would all fold it into a [TS]

01:55:59   particular form so you can only have one [TS]

01:56:00   file name cafe with an e an accent on [TS]

01:56:03   the end no matter how you encode it up [TS]

01:56:05   as you can you can write that in 20 [TS]

01:56:06   different ways in your code with [TS]

01:56:07   combining characters and stuff a PFS now [TS]

01:56:10   treats all files as a bag of bytes on [TS]

01:56:12   iOS and so they closed it as closing the [TS]

01:56:15   bug report so if you use apple's api's [TS]

01:56:18   you don't care about this because it [TS]

01:56:19   does all that sort of normalization for [TS]

01:56:21   you but if you use the direct file [TS]

01:56:22   system API you like the bsd you know the [TS]

01:56:24   unix layer it is a PFS behaves like like [TS]

01:56:28   a plain old UNIX file system which is [TS]

01:56:30   basically give him a buffer full of [TS]

01:56:33   bytes and I will write that to the part [TS]

01:56:35   of the file system that says it's [TS]

01:56:36   supposed to hold the file name and and [TS]

01:56:38   that's it so if you want to write one [TS]

01:56:41   file name in utf-32 and one file name [TS]

01:56:45   and a ski and one file name in utf-8 and [TS]

01:56:48   normalization I'm just a filesystem man [TS]

01:56:51   you just gave me a sequence of bytes [TS]

01:56:52   when you ask me later what the name of [TS]

01:56:54   this file is i'm going to give you that [TS]

01:56:55   sequence of bytes back i hope you know [TS]

01:56:56   what encoding it's in good luck which is [TS]

01:56:59   exactly how i believe linus torvalds of [TS]

01:57:02   linux fame really wished hfs+ behaved [TS]

01:57:05   because he hated the fact that it did [TS]

01:57:06   normalization he said just just take the [TS]

01:57:08   bytes that I give you and stick them in [TS]

01:57:09   your file system and that is apparently [TS]

01:57:12   how a PFS works and I felt the bog on [TS]

01:57:14   this as well to say look I don't know [TS]

01:57:15   this is a bug or feature but hfs+ dude [TS]

01:57:19   hit this way and your new replacement [TS]

01:57:21   behaves that way and it seems to me that [TS]

01:57:22   could possibly cause something [TS]

01:57:24   compatibilities down the line so is this [TS]

01:57:27   something you intended to do or what and [TS]

01:57:29   I don't remember what the status of that [TS]

01:57:30   bug is but this this bug report of if it [TS]

01:57:32   is to be believed that this radar that [TS]

01:57:34   was close is like on iOS anyway that's [TS]

01:57:37   totally what we meant it's now just the [TS]

01:57:39   Bagel Bites user api's you'll be fine [TS]

01:57:42   but it certainly simplifies the file [TS]

01:57:44   system because thousands of no longer [TS]

01:57:47   needs to be concerned about what the [TS]

01:57:48   heck is in the the file names it's just [TS]

01:57:51   it's just a big data buffer and [TS]

01:57:53   everything else is handled it at a [TS]

01:57:54   higher level and arguably that is a [TS]

01:57:56   cleaner layering but it is definitely a [TS]

01:57:58   definite break with how it was done [TS]

01:57:59   before so be careful out there so are [TS]

01:58:06   you excited for a PFS like i know we've [TS]

01:58:08   talked about this in the past but [TS]

01:58:09   sitting here now have you been it seems [TS]

01:58:11   like you're keeping up with it keeping [TS]

01:58:12   up with it at least a little bit I am [TS]

01:58:15   I'm excited for it I'm a little bit [TS]

01:58:17   worried about compatibility things [TS]

01:58:18   because of this encoding issue and I'm a [TS]

01:58:20   little bit worried about bugs and stuff [TS]

01:58:22   but I bought a new fastest then and I'm [TS]

01:58:23   getting one and you know I'm still I [TS]

01:58:26   still think about it and get sad about [TS]

01:58:27   the the lack of data integrity features [TS]

01:58:29   and stuff like that but there there are [TS]

01:58:31   enough new interesting features that I'm [TS]

01:58:33   that I'm still excited for it i just do [TS]

01:58:34   worry about you know maybe i'll just [TS]

01:58:37   like I should really upgrade my synology [TS]

01:58:39   to btrfs which it now actually supports [TS]

01:58:42   with the new thing but I don't know a [TS]

01:58:44   way to do it in place and they don't [TS]

01:58:45   have any place to copy all this data off [TS]

01:58:46   to and put it back on except for the [TS]

01:58:48   network and so anyway I would like it if [TS]

01:58:51   my backups at least were someplace where [TS]

01:58:54   I knew that they were not bit rotting [TS]

01:58:55   I'll just continue to have to sort of [TS]

01:58:58   bury my head in the sand about the state [TS]

01:58:59   of the data I'm actual max because if [TS]

01:59:01   that's not self [TS]

01:59:02   is not helping me there hi titles uh [TS]

01:59:05   what is it that you and I suggested [TS]

01:59:07   simultaneously Oh Christmas phone yeah [TS]

01:59:09   that was that yeah that's it what was [TS]

01:59:11   the shoelace thing I've already lost the [TS]

01:59:12   thread on the what was the amount of [TS]

01:59:15   thread hey what was the analogy for the [TS]

01:59:17   show I was the macbook pro like once you [TS]

01:59:18   had to reformat it right okay yeah yeah [TS]

01:59:20   if you listen to analog John you would [TS]

01:59:23   know the story of I know the shul a [TS]

01:59:24   story I've heard that episode stop it [TS]

01:59:26   I've heard that episode you can jump in [TS]

01:59:29   anytime John you don't have to go to the [TS]

01:59:31   back catalog everyone knows the shoelace [TS]

01:59:32   story and and if you had and if you [TS]

01:59:35   didn't hear in an analog in here Mike [TS]

01:59:36   talk about it on eight thousand other [TS]

01:59:37   episodes of other shows so it's not like [TS]

01:59:39   you can avoid the shoelace but he told [TS]

01:59:40   the best with me dammit I know I didn't [TS]

01:59:42   I heard it first there I still like [TS]

01:59:44   Christmas phone although span across my [TS]

01:59:46   leg gap actually starting to edge that I [TS]

01:59:47   don't like them either like gap what was [TS]

01:59:50   the true light shoelace is rising this [TS]

01:59:52   is my shoelaces rising and oh boo just [TS]

01:59:55   going to hear Mike talk about how [TS]

01:59:57   awesome e is for inspiring the title [TS]

01:59:57   awesome e is for inspiring the title [TS]

02:00:00   and I don't want to deal with that but [TS]

02:00:01   he is he is that awesome because that [TS]

02:00:03   was an amazing story we don't need but [TS]

02:00:04   we don't need to tell him that we don't [TS]

02:00:06   need to give him that moment what is he [TS]

02:00:08   doing with the shoelaces that they're [TS]

02:00:09   breaking that's my real question I can't [TS]

02:00:12   remember the last time I had a shoelace [TS]

02:00:13   break like is he being very rough with [TS]

02:00:15   them is he rubbing his shoe against [TS]

02:00:16   something there fraying like who [TS]

02:00:18   shoelaces break maybe the style in Great [TS]

02:00:20   Britain is to have really tightly laced [TS]

02:00:22   shoes like to really tighten them up you [TS]

02:00:24   know this is very thin I don't know it's [TS]

02:00:25   it's it's a suspicious story my shoelace [TS]

02:00:29   just broke as I pulled really partner [TS]

02:00:31   snap oh I can't I have to put my job now [TS]

02:00:33   hey should check to check his lightning [TS]

02:00:39   cable how are they doing like that's it [TS]

02:00:43   like if I if I replace this lightning [TS]

02:00:45   cable I'm I'll just use this iPad pro [TS]

02:00:48   for another year [TS]