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maybe you can switch to maybe maybe you
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have sufficient girth to do a one-legged
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thing where like instead of putting a
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lot of talk on both legs can it can it
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can it sit on one leg you could have one
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laptop on each leg you would do a
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wielding cool I think we're all set so I
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have notes on everything that happened
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but I didn't check the notes in the
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doctor okay yes your own personal notes
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well guess what I have notes shared
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notes follow up you of course you do we
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can breathe we can breeze through it
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these are all quick oh why don't you
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again Marco into a long tangent about
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your deep 20-minute feelings in each one
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of these items we can get through it
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shots fired its gonna be like that I
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would like you to listen to recent
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episodes and see what percentage of
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follow-up items IE MIT a single word
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about yeah but it just takes one it only
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takes one it gets you going and that
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becomes half the show anyway we can get
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through this quickly because marco is
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not interested oh my god every time you
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say that all that means is everyone is
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looking at the chapter mark to see where
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the first stop it begins look at the
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chapter markers just just listen to the
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show just be just experienced the show
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be in the mom be the show be in the
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moment alright so Stephen Empson rights
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in case nobody mentioned turns out turns
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out the Wii U gamepad had less display
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lag than most TVs and we'll put a couple
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links in the show notes John you're the
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only one of us with wii u i believe so
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you want to tell us about this I think
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John's the only one with a wii u yeah
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very well maybe yeah it was last week
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where I was saying that I like to use
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the gamepad for Mario Kart because it
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felt like there was actually less live
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than a TV which seems crazy because it
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is wirelessly sending video to the thing
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so i actually i had read this article
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back when I came out I just forgot about
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because I'm old apparently it's measured
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to be about 33 milliseconds of lag for
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the video on the Wii U gamepad which
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sounds like a lot until you realize that
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TVs especially TVs that are either not
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in game mode or can't get into a decent
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game mode that where they turn off all
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the image processing the input lag for
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TVs especially if you went through a
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receiver and then through a TV can be up
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to like 100 milliseconds so I wasn't
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it is very likely that my complete TV
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set up as configured at the time i was
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doing this is actually slower than using
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the wii u gamepad itself so good job
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Nintendo I minimizing that lag bad job
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whole rest of the AV industry on having
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horrendous leg input lag for television
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set ups what's the mechanism that the
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video is being broadcasted gamepad is
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that like a private Wi-Fi or something
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yeah I think it's like an h.264 stream
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over wireless thing I think the prior
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Terry I don't think it is just like
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liberal Wi-Fi but I don't know actually
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so it could be like a is an airdrop like
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a peer-to-peer thing that's kind of
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stood up just in the moment and then
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destroyed after you transfer the file or
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files or something like that maybe it's
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maybe it's one of those sort of
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scenarios who knows mm-hmm fair enough
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right in this in the interest of speedy
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follow-up for the first time ever tell
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us what happened with your Zelda HUD
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playing zelda as everybody knows and
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Zelda does have a HUD so is every pass
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Zelda game they always have something on
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the screen that's showing like a little
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mini map or like Skyward Sword had this
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giant honking picture of the wiimote
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which you could turn off and I did turn
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off a little status indicators a breath
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of the wild has the traditional line of
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hearts in the upper left hand corner and
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the lower right it's got a little
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circular map thing and some other little
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icons underneath the hearts it has a
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couple of other items that appear as you
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progress through the game don't want to
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spoil anything for people problem with
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those items is that they are white much
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of the time one hundred percent
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completely opaque white and my TV hates
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that and so after playing breath of the
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wild friday now 20 or 30 hours i noticed
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i'm getting into retention in the upper
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left corner for the white items luckily
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breath of the wild has a HUD option
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which i saw when i first start playing
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the game because of course being a nerd
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i always go into all the options first
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before starting anything and they called
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they call it the pro HUD which turns off
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basically everything except for your
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hearts and i said well i don't want to
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turn everything off it's a pretty
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minimal HUD to begin with it's very
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minimal very pushed off to the side so
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it's nice but and i like seeing the
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thing someone were useful like
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interesting the compass direction and
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stuff like that so i left and on that
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turned out to have been mistakes now i'm
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using the pro HUD which only shows
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hearts the hearts are one hundred
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percent britt red and opaque so they are
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causing some heart-shaped image
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retention in the upper left but they do
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vary a little bit as you
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take damage at the very least and one
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hundred percent red is much better than
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hundred percent white so I'm not kicking
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Zelda off my TV yet and moving it to the
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to the the gaming monitor or anything I
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think I'm just going to accept the
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amount of image pension because I know
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from our destiny experiment that yes you
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will get image retention but it is not
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permanent if you're merely wait a year
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it will go away and someone is
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suggesting that I get OLED oh let also
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has image retention guess what you know
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if you had brought a TV with a proper
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technology that doesn't have image
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retention this would have been a lot
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easier but no you had to have you had to
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have the blackest black sand the dark
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you stop saying even LCDs have image
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retention mine has it mine has it worse
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yeah well and and vibrant colors like
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seriously on my gaming monitor it is
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such an incredible difference in what
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the game looks like compared to what it
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looks like on tv and breadth of the
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while it's the type of game they want to
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experience and if there's not a lot of
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HUD in breadth of the wild it is
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actually pretty darn minimal so I want
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to see the full rich experience and to
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get the 5.1 surround sound with just
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they don't take that much advantage of
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what the speakers are better anyway I'm
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not kicking it off yet we'll check back
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in next week fair enough Carsten Weiss
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maybe vice rights in to talk about
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high-end desktop processors which I
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really don't care that much about so
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money you can take this this is in
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reference to be asking Oh a shelf if
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Intel makes any processors that are not
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Zeon's that have more than four cores
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that in theory could be used in an iMac
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and Marco said no and a lot of people
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tweeted that actually they make these a
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bunch of processors within decipherable
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numeric alphanumeric names that have 10
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cores and eight cores and six scores and
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other people trying done on Twitter to
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say actually those are basically two
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Zeon's rebranded and rename but without
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ECC ram and different chipsets that
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require them either way it seems like
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however you want to slice it there are
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other options that are not the same as
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the processors in the mac pro that Apple
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could put in the imac if we wanted to so
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maybe if they make an imac pro instead
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of having a xeon in there they could
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have one of these in between easy on
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things which would be kind of cruddy
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because i really want ECC ram so I from
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you know if I'm going to pay for an imac
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pro but anyway I'll buy whatever they
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put out because what the hell choice do
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I have yea sorry I'm going to talk to
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Sean during follow-up
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this is the x 99 series that people keep
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talking about I honestly don't know much
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about it I had it in the back of my mind
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and just forgotten about it but it seems
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like if if you're going to go to the
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trouble of having a very expensive
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processor that puts out a lot of heat
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and needs a big socket and everything
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else like why not just use eons at that
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point like I bet the engineering
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constraints and cost constraints and
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everything else around using these is
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probably not that different from just
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using Zeon's in the first place which is
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probably why apple doesn't just put one
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of these in an imac Jason Breckenridge
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rights in to say more about the mac pro
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a macro delay is likely due to wait for
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AMD to produce something that they can
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leverage to get intel xeon prices down
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that seems bold to me but anyway he
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continues margins are everything in Tim
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Cook's Apple not sure how you can know
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that but I'll continue especially for
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low-volume products maybe I don't know
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what do you guys I put this in here for
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not to address it directly but just for
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the larger issue because it's
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interesting to me that the three of us
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on this show seemed to all come to a
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sort of no I'm going to say unspoken
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agreement but chances are we spoke about
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it because we talked about the knife bro
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a lot agreement that there is no new Mac
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Pro coming and yet when I see people
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like when listeners right in or tweet or
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whatever there is still a contingent out
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there that is on a different page than
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we are that they believe that there is a
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delay like the Mac but there is a mac
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pro delay the new Mac Pro is coming and
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maybe i'm wrong but do we all basically
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do the three of us like obviously we
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don't know we're just guessing right but
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do we all kind of agree there is no new
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mac pro coming in in the terms that we
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understand it to be basically like a
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thing that you buy from apple that is
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their their fastest computer that
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doesn't have a screen attached to it I
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don't know your your the yearly what
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you're the one holdout I mean I think
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Marco agrees right yeah pretty much I've
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been on the page for a while that just
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like there is no new Mac Pro coming and
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all I'm thinking of is low you know in
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the way that we understand it I'm I'm a
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hundred percent pinning my hopes on and
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mac pro at this point but the mac pro
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like so many people right into talked
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about what do we think the next Mac Pro
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is going to be and what might be
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delaying the next Mac Pro and I feel
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like writing back saying I I've lost my
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faith like I what what new Mac Pro what
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are you even talking about it's there is
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no new Mac Pro the rebel never will be a
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new mac pro except for something
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different than in terms of yet again and
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when I say it I'm talking about a box
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that you buy that doesn't have a monitor
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built into it from apple that is their
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fastest computer I think that's that's
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gone yeah i mean like all right like
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i've been using this imac since 2014
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because it it just fit my overall
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desires better like I really wanted
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retina like I desperately want a desktop
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retina and I thought for years that it
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was it was further away and so and then
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when they released the 5k imac it like
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it blew my mind and it was so good and
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it still is so good you know I decided
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then like okay I will trade some
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processing power and I will trade the
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freedom of this external cylinder or
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tower and having it separate my monitor
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I'll trade that for this awesome screen
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experience and the time there really was
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no great way to get 5k externally now
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well maybe you could argue that the LG
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still sucks so badly that make me maybe
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there still isn't agree we can fuck
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external in that is what broke me if you
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recall that was the end I was like I now
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I accept I accept it up you're telling
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me and no uncertain terms give up yeah
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maybe I don't anyway so I the the
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problem is like I hear from various
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tipsters and rumors and birdies and
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everything else I hear a different thing
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like every month every month I here oh
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the mac pro is really dead this time or
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oh no it's not dead yet it's coming you
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know they're they're starting up a new
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thing yeah but every time I hear that
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like I think does what I'm hearing fit
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into the idea of an imac pro and every
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time i go that totally could be an imac
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bro all i want is for them to address
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high-end needs and for the current imac
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series as we know it to not be the
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highest they ever go because it is very
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limited in you know limiting itself to
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the primarily for core desktop line and
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not having desktop class
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high-powered GPU support and desktop
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class high-powered CPU support and
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workstation class i should say cpu
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support you know there's there's a huge
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ceiling above the current imac series
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and it isn't just about getting a higher
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clock speed on single core it's about
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like like if you want if you need
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multi-core performance which lots of
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things use these days it isn't it isn't
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a matter of just wait till next year's
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imac and the four core line will be will
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be good enough that a mac pro won't be
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necessary it's literally like the imac
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grows like five or ten percent
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performance a year and a mac pro with
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more cores could have like it could have
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like six times the performance like
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that's that's the difference we're
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talking about here it's not it isn't
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something that we can just wait a couple
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years and the need goes away because a
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couple years down the road the
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multi-core high-power workstation chips
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have gotten better too so this having
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having a gap like there's a big gap
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between what the imac can do and what a
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computer that has a much higher power
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and heat budget and and money budget can
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do and that use for the Mac Pro and now
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it's it's kind of gone and that huge gap
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is just being unserved and the people
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who need that huge gap are going to
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windows and hackintosh is another crap
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like that that's what I hope Apple
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addresses whether it has a screen built
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into it or not I would prefer if it
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didn't just for additional flexibility
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referendum on the table the current
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syllable that's all right what what what
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look it up I'm sure I'm sure that's true
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rich people in it so there we go so the
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behavior that I saw at my school
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district which we went over last episode
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we had several other people right in to
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say very very similar things that were
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equally depressing and this was just a
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really great summary
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how Americans are cheap and and I hate
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all of us so i just thought i'd share
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that little anecdote speaking of things
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that we won't talk long about at all i'm
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quite sure twitter twitter if it for mac
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the kickstarter made it and the stretch
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goal of 100 thousand dollars to get
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basic things like direct messaging
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support also made it which is super
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exciting so congratulations John
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Syracuse the this moment is yours yes
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this is a right victory lap for the
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project and for all of the listeners to
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this show who I'm sure heard my plea and
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pledged support and it amazes me like I
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was just at the goal I set for everybody
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says ignore the fact that the goal is 75
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grand the stretch goals 100 grand and we
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need to get that because that's where
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like direct messages come in as much as
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I love terrific I really don't want to
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use a mac Twitter client doesn't support
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direct messages so we did it 108,000 is
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the total we passed 100 k as a marker
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was pointing out now I have to pay the
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money that I pledged towards it and
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there are a lot of people i know on
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twitter told me that not only did they
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pledge because they heard my
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encouragement to do so but they also up
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their pledges when they saw that it
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wasn't close to its goal or whatever so
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thank you to everybody who did that I'm
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sure this will turn out great the one
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the one bad thing for me is that of
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course I can't alright may not be able
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to run this project if it's Sarah only
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until and unless I get a new mac that
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runs I mean it's not supposed to be done
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until much later nice is really is gonna
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be not as expensive Twitter client ever
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free huh yeah well I want to get the new
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mac anyway but gonna be a few bucks for
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Twitter and average for tweet button key
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thousand bucks for a new mac i'm also
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lobbying them through certain channels
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to perhaps try to support back dale cap
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but i don't know if that will happen but
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either way I want a new mac the run
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Sierra and I want to be able to run this
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thing and it's not done yet so fingers
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crossed everybody but thanks to
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everybody who helped this is awesome
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congratulations John siracusa I'm very
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very very excited for you I know this
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was uh this was a big deal for you could
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just use tweetbot but that's cool Cirie
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has multi-language support several
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people wrote in with regard to our
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ladies in the cylinder conversation last
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episode to remind us that in it is we
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needed a reminder that that what is the
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the the the Amazon
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which I'm stumbling so hard to say our
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name yes the echoes lady I didn't want
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to say the AL exa word um the echoes
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lady does not have a lot of
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multi-language support whereas the Apple
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lady does have considerable by
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comparison multi-language support and
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that's a big deal for anyone who doesn't
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speak English and obviously we tend to
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be more myopic than we intend when it
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people outside of the United States
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Britain etc Australia to before we get
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people emailing us about that um people
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outside those areas you know the only
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choice I really have a Serie and that's
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kind of a big bummer so anyway it's
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worth considering we didn't really give
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any thought to that last episode what is
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out which I thought was funny I mean
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it's working on works the same way here
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you kind of think like how would
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way I say it never works right you just
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whatever the other lingos reckon can you
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get me a Jaguar with an automatic
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transmission Wow that'll work perfectly
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don't forget the passive aggression no I
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mean so I think what about what bugs me
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about a lot of the times i see this
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pointed out is when it's used as a
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defense for areas in which siri is not
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doing so well or as stupider than it
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should be so to me these should be
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carefully considered as separate factors
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yes sirree is better at international
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and multi-language support amazon sucks
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internationally they have terrible
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coverage outside the US for all of their
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and the echoes voice service is no
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exception to that but what Amazon's even
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better at is in the like one language in
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that they support well it simply works
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more reliably and I know there are there
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areas in which Siri is better and and
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that's fine there's areas in which
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amazon is better but these are separate
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discussions and I don't think it's a
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valid excuse for apple or four for Apple
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fans and commentators to use just
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whenever anybody points out that Siri
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does something less well than it should
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or that Amazon does something really
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well it is not a valid excuse to say
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well series report supports you know 75
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different languages it's like well okay
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it does the sky is also blue these are
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separate facts these are separate
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discussions right like so that's I see
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this a lot in a way that bothers me but
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that is an attribute that should be
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commended you know it is great this here
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supports all the different languages and
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if you speak one of those languages
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that's a huge factor for you in the same
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way that other factors of these products
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might influence other people's decisions
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I would just be careful how we throw
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that around because so often it's used
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in this kind of invalid defense fair
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enough all right so I've a very quick
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question about the Apple watch which is
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kind of a call to listeners to tweet at
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me and me alone and then I'd like to go
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to your lawfully i am going to regret
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this but i'm curious and then marco has
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a tale of waffling ideas a lot less
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delicious than it said you have a brief
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tale of waffling right Marco yeah very
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bright well I do I wasn't I wasn't aware
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you guys knew about it somebody put in
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the show notes we know everything we're
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watching always watching cool all right
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well anyway I I wanted to want to ask
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the audience and you can tweet at me and
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me alone you don't need to bother mark
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when John do you I've been doing this by
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the way I know if you have a Syria what
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we calling this a series 0 an original
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Apple watch do you find that the battery
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is starting to get a little long in the
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tooth and starting to wear out a little
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more quickly than you use than it used
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to be cuz i got i took delivery of my
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apple watch in early May
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and the last couple days it has been
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nice enough out that I can go for my
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afternoon or really evening walk with
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my Apple watch and as soon as I've
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started doing that last few days at
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unreasonably early hours my Apple watch
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is going from oh I'm fine everything I'm
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asleep and power reserve mode is on and
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I basically don't have a watch at all
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anymore and this only started when I
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when I started doing these exercises and
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eat well for loose definitions of
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exercise but anyway exercises in the
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evening and tracking these like 15 to 30
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minute walks and I'm curious those who
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listen if you had only if you have a
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series 0 original Apple watch do you
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also find your heaven having battery
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woes let at kc list no i'm curious to
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hear that's all for now you can you
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restore your phone I have a series 0
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watch and my battery is awesome as it
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sits there on it's charging thing on top
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your waffling but I'm gonna say this is
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by my count your third mac laptop order
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since the new mac laptops are released
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again oh my god Marco here's here's what
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happened oh here we go yeah you had to
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do it why did you have to do it here's
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here's what happened all right I'll try
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to be brief as we have all of us talking
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about on my I recently came back from a
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trip on the way home I was I was
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supposed to have downloaded a TV show
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for TIFF and I to watch on the plane and
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last minute at the airport I realized
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like at the departure airport I realized
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I had not done it over the hotel Wi-Fi
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overnight like I had planned and i had
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to very quickly download episodes of a
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TV show and of course nothing was
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available in any legal fashion so I was
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going to ship them to myself on a truck
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and there are numerous ways to do this
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on airport Wi-Fi none of which are very
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good and the only way I found for this
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show that I was supposed to downloaded
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but didn't download the only way that I
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could find it is a certain kind of truck
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that let's say it forms a torrential
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data pieces into a TV show I knew like
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you know if I could just use a group of
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newspaper delivery trucks that would be
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better but the the torrential downpour
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of trucks was the only thing I get to
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work in a reliable fashion from the
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airport Wi-Fi that I was on and the
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plane was taking off in like a half hour
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and I just had to get something quickly
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so I installed a type of torrential
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downpour truck that I had trusted in the
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past even though I knew that you know
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that they I heard they kind of got shady
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with bundling smaller satellite trucks
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with it install yahoo search toolbar in
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your browser installed java it did set
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my homepage to yahoo and all of my
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browsers that's the stuff and on my home
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mac i have an older version of this
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truck that has note i downloaded years
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ago that has no problems but on on the
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the new version that i could get off the
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website quickly it did a bunch of weird
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stuff that I don't trust and so because
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of this I now consider my 15 inch touch
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bar macbook pro compromised and I need
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to format it and reinstall basically for
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my own sanity do you guys remember what
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made my curly quit his job oh god it was
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him having to buy a new pair of
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shoelaces and yet how does that justify
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you getting a new damn computer I was
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gonna say to remind everybody this story
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about him forgetting to download a TV
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show and trying to do to the airport is
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going to lead to him buying a new
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computer just whoever's on the same page
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all right so basically the gist of it if
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I can summarize my curly story about how
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he of what made him finally quit a job
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become a professional podcasters is that
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he he was going to his his office job
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where he had to dress up and he broke
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the shoelace on his shoe and he was
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thinking acquitting for a while and that
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finally pushed him over the edge because
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he's like you know I I don't want to buy
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a new pair of shoelaces for these shoes
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because it was kind of like reinforcing
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and reinvesting in the world he was he
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was not happy with and trying to leave
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so you decided to just stop at that
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point I'm sorry if you butch
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I bunch of that in case you remember
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offhand what episode of analog people
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should listen to no i don't but i'll
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have it in the show notes okay i don't
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remember which episode it is but we go
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into detail about this and it is it is
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one of the better episodes of analog if
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i do say so myself so it's worth
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listening to ok so when faced with the
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need to reformat my 15 inch touch bar
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macbook pro at the end of this trip
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probably the third or fourth trip I've
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taken it on I was already not loving
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this computer on this trip in so many
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things about it that I that I when I
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bought it I was like you know I don't
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love this but I'll get used to it maybe
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and some of those things I've gotten
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used to decently enough some of those
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things I haven't I I just have no
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motivation to fix this computer even
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though it's a software you have to
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reinstall the OS which I have to do even
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if I get a new one I will then start on
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a fresh one and then I'll have to you
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know put everything back on that one I
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don't want to this this is my shoelace
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and I don't want to fix this laptop
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because I just don't like it and I'm
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finally admitting to myself you know
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what the 15 inch touch bar macbook pro
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it's not a bad computer it's just really
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designed with different priorities and
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different needs than what my needs and
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priorities actually are and i thought i
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would get past it i thought i'd get used
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to it and I thought certain things would
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would stick better than they have like
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for me honestly the touch bar doesn't
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work for me it may be down the road it
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will but right now it doesn't and there
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it causes a lot of problems like
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accidentally brushing against it and and
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other issues bugs incident so anyway so
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I thought you know what I can't do this
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anymore i'm going to switch to a
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computer that i actually like and my
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original plan was i'm going to wait for
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the next update to the macbook one and
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give that a solid try again because with
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that when i first got the first one and
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really hated it part of the reason i
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hated it was the keyboard but well now
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they all have that keyboard and it's
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like well I i I'm forcibly getting used
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to that keyboard it's like all right
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well that's that that is kind of now an
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equal between them almost I mean though
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the one on the map book one currently
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has less feedback it is still the same
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low travel but it has less feedback then
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the ones that are on the new 2016
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macbook pros I'm used to that one now on
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MacBook Pros I still don't like it but
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I'm used to it so I can tolerate that
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and I was assuming that the next update
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to the macbook one would get that
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keyboard also the original map book one
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I mean all the map ones are very slow
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but in in the 2016 update was it they
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dramatically increased the speed of the
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SSD which it which dramatically
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increases the performance of lots of
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things in the system and so the gist of
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what owners have reported basically is
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that the the second version of the
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macbook one which is the one that's been
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on for about a year now is significantly
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faster than the first version was also
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thanks tipster the GPU is also a lot a
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lot faster which also helps so so I
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thought you know let me just wait for
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that and then I'll make a decision well
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I'm about to go on a trip in like a
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couple of weeks to Ireland to the
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all-conference and like like Arthur
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friends I will pimp the OL conference
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not because they've asked me to not
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because I feel obligated to but because
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if you are anywhere near Ireland or can
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get to Ireland in a couple of weeks you
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should go to the all-conference it's
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amazing so go to the old conference
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everybody ull dot IE is cool anyway I'm
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going to Ireland this is the perfect
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kind of trip where I want to have a
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laptop with me but I don't really get a
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lot of work done I'm trips anymore I try
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I always try and I just I don't you know
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it's very rare that actually get a lot
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of work done since the 15-inch was not
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for me i speaking you know this would be
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a great time to have a new smaller
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laptop to try to use to enjoy and since
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the 15-inch is not working for me for
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lots of reasons and one of the main
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reasons is the touch bar that really is
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not working for me I think my choices
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were basically the macbook law under the
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macbook escape or an old macbook pro you
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know like I can get the old 13 of the I
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already have my old 15 so I took out the
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old 15 figured I'd boot that up for a
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little bit use that for a couple days
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see how that goes and it's fine but I'm
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ruin now for the weight difference on
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the new one even though going from the
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old to the new 15 is only a half pound
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savings went from like four point five
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to four point oh that's enough that to
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ruin me so now I pick up the old one in
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it and it feels really old the then the
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the event or the announcements rather
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the other day yesterday the other day
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came out and I thought apple is sure to
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update the macbook one so let me wait
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for this announcement and then I will
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probably just order a macbook one which
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with the new hopefully with the new
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keyboard and with the new you know maybe
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maybe faster Thunder maybe Thunderbolt
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until just us bc or whatever else okay i
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was going to do the same thing for the
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record i had every intention of buying
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myself a macbook adorable / macbook 1 /
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officially called macbook the 12 inch
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macbook but right i was planning to buy
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one yesterday i was locked and loaded
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ready to go and then not so much so what
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did you do see I I know how I know how
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to not spend money but if there's
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anything you know how to do it not
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spending money is not on that list you
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you do not know how to not spend money
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all I can do is rationalize spending a
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little bit less money than I was going
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to spend anyway but anyway the the the
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day came and went they had their big
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browser press releases which people get
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to don't worry everyone will get to that
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and they didn't release basically
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anything I wanted but but yeah they
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didn't they didn't release the macbook
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one so I decided you know what let me go
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to the apple store now that everything's
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in stock I'll spend some real time with
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the macbook escape and the macbook one
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side by side and to just see like should
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I just wait for an escape or I'm
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strikers by an escape now or should I
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wait for the map of one update that
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might happen in a couple of weeks or it
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might happen in six months or it might
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never happen we have not liked it this
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is modern Apple who knows when things
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will come out there's no relation
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anymore to like Intel schedules so it
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could come out anytime or never so
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anyway so I went to the store side by
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side macbook escape to MacBook one the
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weight difference between them is
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noticeable it's two pounds versus three
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pounds so it's a noticeable weight
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difference it's a noticeable size
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difference but the macbook Escape is the
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same approximate size and weight as the
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13-inch macbook air has always been it
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feels great it's small you know and and
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critically it is basically a retina
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macbook air in its internals and so it
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has amazing battery life the best
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battery life in the whole lineup and one
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of my problems with the 15 inches that
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the battery life is just not that great
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it's it's not horrible
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all but it's not great and it varies
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tremendously with what you're doing
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because it has that high-powered GPU and
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the nice big four core cpu and
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everything else so 15 inch varies a lot
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and isn't even great to begin with the
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macbook escape has and by the way I
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should clarify my stupid name for that
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that's the 13-inch MacBook Pro 2016 with
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two Thunderbolt ports and also known as
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the non-touch bar 13 inch MacBook Pro
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all these want to see at my name is
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better than apples right okay so anyway
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the macbook escape it is not as small
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and light as I would love it to be but
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it's pretty small in light the macbook
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one now again this is this is the now
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year old version so maybe this will
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change in the new one but the keyboard
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different side by side is not a big
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difference but it is noticeable and the
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macbook one keyboard is worse by you
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know a noticeable amount the ergonomic
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difference is more noticeable than I
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would have guessed you know the macbook
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one feels great when you're holding it
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when you pick it up when you when you're
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carrying it around feels great I don't
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care for how you have to open the lid
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basically with two hands because it's so
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thin and so small that you kind of you
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can't really like wed your thumb under
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like the little lip area and push down
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on what's below it like you can with the
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bigger ones you don't have to that's the
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babbles all big thing you can do with
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one hand and the bass stays down yeah it
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does it really does i tried all the time
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the apple store on them amazing how
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often how it works actually try it
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you're right that it's hard to get your
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finger under it but it's if you'd let go
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of the notion you actually need to hold
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the base down and you can manage to get
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through a little finger under the lip I
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swear to you that the base will stay on
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the table oh I don't realize that okay
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anyway so it didn't feel as good it felt
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like a little bit like flimsy to do that
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like just like it's not a huge deal but
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when you compare them side-by-side it's
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an obvious difference also when i had
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the macbook escape for like a day and a
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half when it first came inside of epic
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14 day and a half and a first came out
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one problem i had with it was it
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actually on my lap it was too narrow and
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it would likes it too low on my legs as
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a result like it wouldn't quite span
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across my leg gap quite well enough and
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i actually found it not that pleasant to
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use on my lap it would be great on like
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an airplane tray table
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and it'd be totally you know suitable on
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a desk and anything else but on my lap I
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actually found it was actually not quite
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wide enough to really be comfortable
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there and and the biggest difference to
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me is that the macbook ones trackpad is
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truly awful it is horrendous how how
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differently when you when you feel them
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side by side even on the same settings
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on the same like force touch firmness
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level or whatever the difference in the
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cliq feel and the responsiveness between
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the macbook one and the macbook escape
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is massive on the on the trackpad it's a
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huge difference I basically decided then
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that you know I actually don't think I
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want a macbook one again even if it gets
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updated so i played with the escape a
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little bit longer play with the one a
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little bit longer firm but my decision
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went home and ordered a maxed-out
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macbook escape except for that I didn't
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get the terabyte I got the 512 it's
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still time for you to cancel that order
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again I already canceled the same order
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16 months ago I know I'm saying I'm
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computer that was actually not the right
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computer for me so there's a lesson
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for me so there we go alright 45 minutes
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little bit of talk but not a lot about
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the apple shareholder diversity proposal
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weird and how Apple's handling it is a
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little weird but if you recall for the
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last couple of shareholder meetings
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maybe in several now there's been some
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sort of um and I don't know the
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appropriate terminology but there's been
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a thing that they had to vote on that
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that shareholders had petitioned Apple
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for where the the general premise of
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this particular thing they're voting on
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is to adopt an accelerated recruitment
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policy to increase the diversity of
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senior management and its board of
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directors that's actually coming off a
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verge article put the show notes and
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this has been voted down yet again and I
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have mixed feelings about this which I
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probably shouldn't because on the one
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side I feel like well they have an
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executive team that everyone but Marco
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thinks is working okay it seems a little
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silly to just throw one or more of them
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out for the sake of diversity but but on
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think that having a more diverse
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executive team might help get rid of
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some of these issues that we've seen I
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don't know which one specifically but
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just a different thing I was gonna say
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outside the box thinking butts not even
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outside the box thinking just different
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thinking could be helpful which to
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Marco's credit is I think a lot of the
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point that you were trying to make last
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week I'm disappointed by this like I'm
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not entirely surprised that this is the
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way the the the vote came and I know
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that Apple was was pushing pretty hard
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for for shareholders to say no to this
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but and so I am disappointed I'm not
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surprised but I'm disappointed and and I
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kind of wish that apple would say
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something more directly about their lack
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of diversity really across the company
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but particularly amongst executives and
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yes I'm aware that they've been making
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this big push for diversity or so they
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say but I feel like it's not really
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hitting the upper echelon of Apple and
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that's that's not a good thing and I
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guess maybe my conflicting feelings are
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just about I think it would be good to
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do what this what this shareholder but
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whatever is trying to do this just seems
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like a peculiar way to go about doing it
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but I guess this is the only way a
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shareholder can force apples hand I
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don't know it's I know that's very muddy
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in gray but do you guys have any
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thoughts on this oh they're not this
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thing doesn't ask them to throw out
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executives like that's not the choice
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they're making your oh I doubt this
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proposal and you have to can one of your
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top executives know they totally don't I
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think we talked about this the maybe one
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of the earlier times that it came up and
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I think the situation is still the same
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and it boils down to companies don't
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like being told what to do right so the
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fact that this is a shareholder proposal
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and that is coming from the outside and
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that the shareholders trying to say
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Apple you should do this specific thing
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I think just institutionally all
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corporations are like you're you're not
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the boss of me you can't like an apples
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answer is always this weird sort of
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vaguely hostile mumbo-jumbo to say look
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we already have we already have our own
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initiatives about diversity that are
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actually broader than this very narrow
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proposal therefore we reject it but
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every time I look at this thing go I
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have to think like it's this this is not
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even actually about of river
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diversity it is totally about the idea
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that big companies and especially Apple
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their default position on every single
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share over the proposal is no no no no
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we have board of directors we are the
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bosses of ourselves even though you
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technically owned the company are some
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large portion of the company through
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your shares or whatever there are not
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enough of you there is not enough of a
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coalition to make it worth our while
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listen to you you cannot tell us what to
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do and doesn't matter what it's about
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whether it's about you know a renewable
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energy or executive compensation or
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diversity over the years and looking at
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these type of proposals and seeing all
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the stories about like just Apple read
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it apple always advises to reject all of
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them and it's kind of ashamed of this
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one is specifically about diversity I'm
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not sheriff I'm not sure if the proposal
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it would be better or worse at advancing
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the cause of diversity with an apple
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than what Apple is already doing it's
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difficult to tell because again these
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are you tend to be very focused and kind
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of not vindictive but like like come on
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Apple you gotta whatever you're doing
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it's taking too long and it is being
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ineffective so here is a more aggressive
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thing that may or may not have as much
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regard for the success of the company
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overall just saying look at we gotta go
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off your butt so it could be the most
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important function of these is to let
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Apple no and no in certain terms that
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they're not doing a good enough job
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right that and that's why enough
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shareholders got together to make this
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proposal to vote on Apple's still going
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to recommend against that Apple still
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going to think their plan is good but
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hopefully the message is getting through
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that whatever it is that you're doing
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you're not doing it fast enough or well
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enough but I continue to think that
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Apple will reject every single one of
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these proposals are Apple Apple will
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encourage the rest of the shareholders
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to reject their mother because these go
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up for a vote for all the shelves and
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Apple has a recommendation we think
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shareholders should vote this down and
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in the end they tend to because the
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shareholders of Apple there are you know
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at a certain point it's a small number
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of very rich shareholders who are
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as with shareholders who are backing
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this type of proposal so it is kind of a
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difficult in a comfortable situation but
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I think Apple Apple should be getting
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Apple needs to change what it's doing
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even if it continues to reject all its
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continues to encourage its shareholders
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of all these down and those challenges
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continue to do so that's it's just a
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tough situation and I wish that there
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was a easy turnkey answer but I just
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wanted to call attention to that so
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breaking news just before we recorded in
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a rare stroke of good luck for ATP it
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seems that Apple clearly the executives
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listen to this program because we're
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getting a new Mac Pro wait nevermind I
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guess they don't listen but anyway uh
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yeah they seem to all the Apple
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executive seem to always want to do
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apple news on Thursdays which is the day
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after we record but in a rare stroke of
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good luck on this evening like an hour
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or two before we started recording it
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was announced and I first saw it on
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TechCrunch my friend of the show Matt
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Panzer II know that Apple has bought the
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app and the company that makes it called
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workflow which if you listen to any of
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the shows of some of our friends you'll
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know that people like my curly and
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Federico vtg for example are huge into
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workflow I've used it a bunch i really
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like it i'm nowhere near their level but
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i do like it and use it and this is a
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trick just whether or not workflow has a
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place in your life it is a phenomenally
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impressive app and basically it's sort
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of kind of like Automator is on OS 10 or
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excuse me mac OS that that's not a truly
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fair analogy but sort of that's kind of
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thing where you can you have a series of
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different actions that you can string
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together also vaguely similar to if this
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than that and you can string these
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actions together to do to create
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workflows and and to do these just
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unbelievably complex things so Apple has
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bought workflow and the I guess the
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three founders of the company are going
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to be working for apple and that's
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really really exciting now I'm also
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hearing breaking news that I haven't yet
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confirmed that apparently they're
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already they've already made the app
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free good but they're already removing
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chrome support and Street View actions
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because Apple yeah well actually there
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might be something else to that okay so
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so a couple of weeks ago or recently
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like a week ago so like that I got an
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email from workflow I don't want to go
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into too many details because I don't
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know if they wanted this to be public or
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not so I'll try to be tasteful here but
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basically workflow has supported
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overcast URL scheme for quite some time
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and I got an email basically with from
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asking me to sign a legal document that
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basically says it's okay for them to
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call my app via its URL schemes
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something on the lines of like if you
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want us to continue supporting this in
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the future please sign this document in
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my best guess at the time which turn out
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to be true is that somebody is about to
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invest a lot of money in them or acquire
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them and is doing due diligence and
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somebody's lawyer told the somebody with
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all the money bind them or investing in
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them you know they should really sure
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this up in some kind of legal fashion to
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make sure that none of the apps that
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workflow calls via URL schemes would
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later threaten them in any legal way for
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using like an undocumented API or using
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an API without permission or something
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like that my best guess with the
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immediate removal of the Google related
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features is not that Apple is being a
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jerk to Google but the Google probably
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just didn't respond and didn't even
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consider signing this document because
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like it's a it's it's it was basically a
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very very simple but still legal
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contract like document I i I'm not a
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lawyer I can't tell you exactly what it
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was but it looks like a very simple
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contract so you would imagine like
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emailing Google to say hey sign this
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contract please we can keep calling you
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from art from our iOS app like I don't
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think that's going to be a high priority
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for Google's legal department to review
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but they're usually so responsive to
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people it's so out of character for them
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exactly so basically I'm guessing that
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it again this is not some kind of like
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you know Apple immediately being a jerk
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to Google because their Google it's
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probably google didn't feel like it was
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worth responding to that or hasn't
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gotten to it yet or legal decided it
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wasn't worth the the legal implications
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and so you know after the acquisition
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Apple probably just says all right well
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this is this is your deadline that
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anybody just for legal protection
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reasons for themselves anybody who
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hasn't signed this document saying you
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can call their secret api's or URL
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schemes or whatever you can't do it
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anymore that's interesting take yeah so
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the the bigger issue on workflow though
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is like after saw this acquisition what
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I immediately felt was I felt bad for
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fatigue E and Mike and all the other
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workflow enthusiasts because when apple
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buys a company that does something like
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this it can go a couple different ways
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they can be what they call an aqua hire
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where the whole point is they're just
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buying it to get these employees who are
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proven that they're really really good
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iOS developers and so we tap or Apple we
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would love really good iOS developers
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let's buy the company and now we've got
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those developers and then the product
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just gets sunsetted becomes free it
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hangs out for a while is it's sunset sun
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sat yeah and then it just goes away
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other possibilities like what they did
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with test flight where they buy it and
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it continues to exist but now as an
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apple internal thing but here's the deal
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even in that scenario Apple's priorities
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are different than the priorities of an
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independent workflow company even for
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strategy tax things like even though we
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this chrome thing is probably not that
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right but Apple has different priorities
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different things are important to Apple
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as the platform owner then they are
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someone writing an application on the
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platform so even in the best case
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workflow is going to change in ways that
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are better for Apple and probably not
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better for existing workflow customers
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it it could change in ways that are
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better for both because they now work
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all has access to private api's and
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notice about the roadmap or whatever
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workflow itself could be integrated into
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the next major version of iOS as a core
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feature of the OS to stop being an
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independent application or become a
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bundled application like there are good
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scenarios but either way it is a
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disruption to the workflow of all the
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people who use this application as part
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of their daily work even if you just
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have to rejigger all your scripts and
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change things around so I there there
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baby it may be a really bad situation
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for people who love workflow but as
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someone who has workflow and uses a
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little bit but don't have my work is not
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intimately tied into
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but I think I'm hoping that it is a yet
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another sign that Apple is trying to do
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things to make iOS a more powerful
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platform for people with more demanding
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needs because I like I don't want to
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believe that it was purely these guys
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are good IRS developers get them and
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have them do something I want to believe
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it's because they recognize that the
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people who are using iOS devices in the
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in the most sophisticated way love
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workflow and that's something those
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capabilities should be part of the
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operating system to make iOS on the iPad
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or even on the phone for that matter a
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more capable system so I think overall
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it's encouraging but for anybody who
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really really love workflow I think the
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very near future is either slightly
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painful or very grim but the longer term
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future for the platform I think it's
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better yeah I think that's right i mean
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the way workflow you know where flow has
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a lot of different features these days
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but kind of the core of it and the first
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part of it before had all these all
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these new like API related features well
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is it was just calling URL schemes for
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apps and using X callback URL and
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everything else and you know X callback
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URL i I don't I don't say this to brag I
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say this as historical context Greg
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Pearce that I actually invented that
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that's Greg Pearce is the developer of
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drafts and and also a couple other apps
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and one of them is terminology and which
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is like it's like a fancy dictionary app
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basically and back in 2010 he contacted
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me asking like is there a way that we
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can make Instapaper basically shell out
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to terminology for its dictionary
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lookups and we we basically went back
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and forth over a couple days via email
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and worked out this URL scheme called x
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call back and that and you could just it
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had these parameters and it was
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basically the first thing i knew of on
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iOS where there was a defined protocol
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that you could launch you could sell it
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to another app VAR URL scheme and give
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that app a way to call you back when
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it's done at the time i think both of us
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a tremendous hack and and and you know
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an event and it became big anyway like
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you know and Greg Greg went and and
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really kind of took the ball and like
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and ran with it and made a whole site
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and directory about X callback URL
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formally documented this little you know
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fairly simple URL scheme spec that we
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had come up with and then made this big
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directory of all the different apps that
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used it and document all the URL schemes
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and naturally what made the the world of
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x callback URL take off was that big
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site that he ran and publicizing it and
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everything else but even back then this
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is 2010 remember even back then I think
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both Greg and I looked at it as this is
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really a temporary need that surely in
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the future iOS is going to add some
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better ways of interacting and scripting
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and things like that like wait other
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other ways to solve this problem that
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isn't calling URL schemes in the
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background and launching apps and then
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kicking you between different apps and
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having them all come to the program for
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a second and kick you back like that is
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kind of a terrible hack and now you know
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almost seven years later iOS has added
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extensions which helped tremendously but
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only in certain ways like only in the in
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the extension points and only in the
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very strict ways those are defined and
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in the very limited areas that they
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exist in so extensions help a little but
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what they need is something bigger and
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on the Mac they have the entire
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applescript interface not to mention
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everything from the UNIX you know system
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below it all the different scripting and
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IPC mechanisms that are all over the mac
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OS like the Mac has it's very well
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covered but iOS still really doesn't so
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there is very much a need if if Apple
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wants to keep pushing iOS into
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productivity which is especially
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important for the ipad business i'd say
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and it sure wouldn't help the icer
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wouldn't hurt the iphone business either
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but to keep it happy wants to push
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people into more productivity use on iOS
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they need automation systems like this
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they need mechanisms in in the in the OS
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itself for apps to communicate with each
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other automate each other and for users
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you know define write and edit and chain
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together those automations and and you
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know again on the mac that have
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know again on the mac that have
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while this already have had it for years
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decades even if I was a user of workflow
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I would not feel great about the future
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of that app right now because in any
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acquisition the future of the app that
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and this is I think clearly mostly an
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aqua higher and in like the official you
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know story to the press I think they
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said it wasn't but I think it pretty
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clearly is everyone always says it isn't
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everyone always says their product going
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to keep going indefinitely and it's
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going to be wonderfully a great plan to
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the future and then it gets you know
[TS]
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sunset so I would not depend on this app
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being there in say a year or two but I
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do think that there's a good chance that
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the reason they bought this app and and
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you know the reason they hired this
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talented team who's really good at iOS
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automation probably has something to do
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with an effort to improve iOS automation
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at the system level and again I think
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pretty much everything John side I agree
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with that I would not expect this app to
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continue to exist in you know two years
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say i would bet that you know it's too
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late probably for iOS 11 but i would bet
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by iOS 12 or 13 there is something there
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is some kind of system or new technology
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in the OS that is better in in some way
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at automation than URL schemes and
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things like that which would make say
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you know seventy percent of workflow
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unnecessary and Apple would consider
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that good enough and then they would
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kill the app I don't know I my first
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reaction is oh this app is going away
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immediately and then as I thought more
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about it I thought you know the most
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obvious answer to me is what you said
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marco which is it'll get sucked into iOS
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maybe in 12 if not 11 but or whatever on
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now god I'm losing and keep on losing
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track but anyways it was knocked into
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some version of a hot yeah thank you
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it'll get sucked into some version of
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iOS and then it'll go away and that will
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be that but then I got thinking about it
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more and the reason I felt like you
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would get sucked into iOS is because it
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feels like this is wrong for Apple to
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is so feature-rich and offers so much
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functionality that isn't part of the OS
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itself and that very well still could be
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but then I got to thinking about like
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iMovie or garage band or you know some
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of these other apps like that and it
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occurred to me that you know those are
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pretty full featured apps and yeah it's
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less of a system-level thing like the
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the problem domain i think is a little
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more bounded but they're really really
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big complex kind of intense apps that
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are apple-branded but are downloaded
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optionally from the App Store and so
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this may not be any different I'm
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disappointed by but like you said Marco
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maybe it's for good reason that that
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some of the third party stuff is already
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getting neutered but nevertheless I'm
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pretty optimistic about this probably in
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part because I don't rely on it to get
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my job done but I'm pretty optimistic
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about this because it's kind of a
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win-win right either a lot of this
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functionality gets built into iOS makes
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iOS more powerful or if it's if it's
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kept in some vague form like it is today
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well it's a great darn app and so that's
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a win too so I'm I'm very tentatively
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optimistic about this well the other
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thing that that people that workflow
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users I think should find somewhat
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comforting is that most of the app you
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know it's not doing things that only
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these developers and only this app could
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do it's doing things that are possible
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for anyone else to step in and recreate
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with a new app I don't say this to
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insult the app or or to say that it was
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easy to make but that it is bit is a
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combination of things that each one of
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which is fairly easy and so I wish like
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most apps honestly but but the point is
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like if workflow disappears if it shuts
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down or it it is made to suck in a way
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that people find intolerable there will
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be a new one someone else will make a
[TS]
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new one it might take a few months but
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someone else will make a new one because
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there's clearly a market demand for it
[TS]
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there and and these are high-end you
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know technical and and very devoted
[TS]
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users if workflow disappears there's
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going to immediately be a not massive
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but very passionate
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very desperate market who would probably
[TS]
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pay like 10 15 20 bucks for an iOS app
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to replace it so I wouldn't worry too
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much about that unless Apple actually
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starts prohibiting apps that are like
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this which would be possible that is
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certainly a risk I wouldn't say it's
[TS]
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incredibly likely but it's it's
[TS]
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certainly a risk but anyway basically
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workflow people there might be some
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disruption I don't mean that in the tech
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guy sense I mean that in the literal
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meaning of the word there might be some
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disruption to your workflows I'm sorry
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but god this is terrible phrase in this
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market but I think in the long run
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you'll be okay so we brought up test
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flight already which is I think one of
[TS]
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the most best example of an application
[TS]
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that was bought and contented and change
[TS]
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the icon today the test flight continues
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to be called test flight yeah as a
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separate application and Apple uses it
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for the purpose the test flight was
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created so it's like it survived the
[TS]
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acquisition right and then of course
[TS]
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your applications that totally go away
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or become free and disappear serenity
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call will just point on Twitter that
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Siri Siri was an independent company
[TS]
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about the people you know like same
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thing if they had an application on the
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store and it went free when it got
[TS]
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bought back in 2010 but eventually it
[TS]
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got rolled into the OS so that's another
[TS]
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possibility for this is that you know we
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hope that this what this means is that
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Apple wants to make automation better on
[TS]
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iOS like it's that seems clear like why
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you know in some fashion whether you're
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just gonna have these people do a new
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alright so there was yesterday and we've
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made several references to this already
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in this episode yesterday there was an
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announcement or series of announcements
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of new apple products and so I'm going
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to try to run through just a very high
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level each of them and then we'll step
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them after that so there's now a red
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some subset of this money is donated
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towards some aids research etc etc
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except in China except in China which
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we'll get to in a minute well I think
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they actually got clarification on that
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somebody somewhere saying that actually
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being donated from china sales I think
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it just doesn't brand it as such Oh
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interesting that makes you feel a little
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better there's a new there there a
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couple of new iphone SE storage sizes as
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otherwise identical but the SE no longer
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has the 16 gig option which means that
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there are no more 16 gig iOS devices
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John siracusa how happy are you right
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now I should have looked up the timeline
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so this like how long do we have to wait
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with the sizes because they changed it
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now what is the SE comes in 32 and 128
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perfect size but nope nope you got a pic
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32 which at this point it doesn't feel
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small 16 obviously 32 is great right
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it's been pretty huge you know kudos to
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getting rid of the 16 gigabyte finally
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well 64 if I was recommending it for
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somebody i would say well 32 will be
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fine right and 128 is probably too much
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64 would be great but now they just
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part of this ready like they want you to
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that you pay for the larger size but I'm
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glad 32 is no longer ridiculously
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painfully way too small so thank
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goodness right there is a new 9.7 inch
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iPad everything that's old is new again
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we've gone from ipad ipad 2 or something
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like that i forget the timeline but it's
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ridiculous right to display to ipad air
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and blah blah blah blah blah but a fret
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ipad 4th generation and ipad air 2 so
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this the like 7th ipad is called the
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ipad 5th generation yeah remember the
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new idea yes that was originally for the
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ipad 3 yep they're just called the new
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ipad yeah anyway this this new ipad is
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is the basic spec bump and price drop
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because you either get a spec bump with
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a price increase or it just something
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just lingers on but this is like the old
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because new stuff is available and it's
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product so we can actually make it a
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little bit cheaper because there's just
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not much in there and it's not getting
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the top of the top-of-the-line
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system-on-a-chip it's getting a better
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one so I think this this 9 17 inch iPad
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has become more attractive to people who
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would otherwise by you know who are
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shopping for a full-size iPad but don't
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need an ipad pro especially the
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education because they've they've
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brought it down below the magic three
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hundred dollar mark so it's it's 299 for
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education buyers and it's it's thicker
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than the one that it replaces presume
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he's got a little bit more battery the
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system on a chip is faster but not as
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fast as it could be so it looks like a
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good middle aerobic iPad yeah it's act
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so when when this was first announced I
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it's kind of weak but if for some reason
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the price point than I originally
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thought and and it's you know as we get
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more you know detail on it it's it seems
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whether it's a whether it's like a speck
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bumped air to or whether it's more of a
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cut-down 9.7 pro it's kind of in the
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middle really with with some cut with
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some new ways to cut the price
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down like you know it only has the the
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two speakers I like the like the older
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iPads it does not have the laminated
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screen like it like the when the pros
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beautiful laminated screen where there's
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and the screen and all the all the you
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couple versions back to and the ipad
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finally did it i think with the nine
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point seven pro if not the heir to and
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anyway so this one has the old-style
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screamer there's like that gap there
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like it's kind of a visible gap between
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the glass and the screen so there's
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there's things like that where it's cut
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down and it lacks all the all the pro
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you know the quote ipad pro feature so
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does not have pencil support it doesn't
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have doesn't have a smart connector but
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for a lot of ipad buyers that's pretty
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great I you know for 329 it's an amazing
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value it compared to the rest of the
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lineup whether you think it's an amazing
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value compared to other tablets like
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from amazon or other android weirdos
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that's up to you it probably isn't but
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oh well I don't think Apple cares but
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compared to other iPads it's a fantastic
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value for the money and you know as long
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as you don't need any of those Pro
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features but I think if you're willing
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to like drop 160 bucks on a keyboard you
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probably aren't that price sensitive
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about the purchase price of the initial
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iPad it's obviously being targeted
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strongly at educational buyers but I
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think it'll also just be a really good
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entry-level iPad I think that's going to
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be you know they're probably going to
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sell a lot of these things just like and
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and the fact they that it has fairly
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modern internals is really nice sermon
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from a user perspective from a developer
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perspective it's really really nice I
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mean to me the oh and also I wanted to
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point out Stephen Hackett wrote a
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wonderful article on 512 pixels citing
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the interesting marketing copy
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differences between the way Apple brands
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this new cheaper iPad versus the way
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they brand that I'm point 7 pro and this
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new cheap one is all about fun it's like
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you know casual fun and games and the
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pros like this is your new supercomputer
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it's like totally different marketing
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guidelines but I think that makes sense
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they're targeting it the only major
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question I have about it is it kind of
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leaves the ipad mini in a weird spot
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because the they also discontinued the
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old mini so now there's only one iPad
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Mini available it's more expensive than
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this it's it's the it's the four hundred
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dollar mini for 128 gig and so this to
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me kind of looks like this is their
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gradual way of maybe killing the mini I
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don't know but short like this this new
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9.7 is now I think better than better
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than that mini in most ways and this is
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clearly their new entry-level ipad so i
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don't i don't think the mini has a lot
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of places to go anymore but i don't know
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I've never been a big fan of the mini
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and if it's not going to be cheaper than
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this than I don't know why anyone would
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be into it unless they really love that
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size but I mean in all fairness they do
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still sell the ipod touch I'm gonna side
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by the way there is actually one 16
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gigabyte model out the ipod touch which
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everyone forgets exists is thing though
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even at all markets it exists it almost
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doesn't count but hey you know what you
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can get the ipod touch and you can get
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it in 16 32 64 and 128 no gaps no 256
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model but whatever so but for this for
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this ipad this I think is what one of
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the things that we would be on the show
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at least would probably love it if Apple
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did with this a laptop or desktop line
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which is take a middle-of-the-road model
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and make it cheaper and thicker like
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trade like I bring the price down you
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know make something that is you know
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make it more powerful bring the price
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down by sacrificing like the nice to
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haves the laminated screen the couple of
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millimetres of thickness there's a
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little bit of extra weight in exchange
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for like in this class like do you need
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the fanciest most laminated screen do
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you need true tone wouldn't you just
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rather have a machine that is like a
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hundred bucks cheaper but also pretty
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darn fast and sacrifice like a
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millimeter of thickness yes like that's
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what a middle the road mouth should be
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it makes the expensive one look like
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what am I getting for money you're
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getting fancier crap right it is
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actually faster it's nicer it's it's
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got the laminated screen on it it's got
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the smarts connector or whatever you see
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what you're paying for their but it is a
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thing that gets bumped and doesn't just
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you know it's not like the iPad to that
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stays the same and it's just like super
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crappy and you feel like you're getting
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a terrible model um and the fact that
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they made this thicker like I think
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that's great that's exactly what we're
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looking for please make those trade-offs
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in the middle models to make a machine
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that has better it gives people better
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value for the money and so I'm
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encouraged with us and I think someone
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pointed out that the the ipad line is
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now much simplified over its previous
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thing now we have to ipad pros one of
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which is a little creaky we'll talk
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about later to iPad pro is that they
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going in the small one and then you have
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two other iPads which are not pro is the
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big one in the small and and it's weird
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that the mini is called like the ipad
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mini 4 and i agree that it's a weird
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product in it with a rear price and
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maybe it will go away or maybe it itself
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will get bumped in the same way
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inevitable there will be a faster mini
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for that is cheaper and that sacrifices
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i don't know what you could sacrifice
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what's left sacrificing on the mini i
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don't know but overall i think this was
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a good announcement and especially
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especially for education i think they
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need to drive it down farther for that
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purpose is like kind of like the ipad 2
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just so incredibly behind the times that
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they could probably sell to education
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individually like i said there are not
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that's not happening i was on board with
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that plan but i did see i did like the
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fact that we still be cruise through the
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the red iphone on the SE in appropriate
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with appropriate speed we don't need to
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circle back to them it's red it looks
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cool it's nice yeah so i guess since
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we're talking about this now sorry Casey
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oh my god the you deserve this for all
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your follow-up complaints yeah yeah the
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red iphone it's nice that it's product
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red this is you know the in you know as
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you mentioned about the charitable
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donation part of this it is nice they
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finally for the very first time brought
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that to their most profitable product
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the iphone like I guess maybe back in
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the ipod days it might have been but but
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anyway it's been a while you know you'll
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be able to get red stuff from Apple you
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know the right ipod touch has been there
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for a while which by the way looks a lot
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like the new read the you know that you
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had like the product red watchbands
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it's really nice to be able to finally
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get on the iphone I hope you know for
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when basically before the before we saw
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the seven and there were some rumors of
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new colors I believe I made some comment
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back then about how like I would love
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for them to replace all of the like old
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metal colors like the silver space grey
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gold rose gold I would like you know
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those all I think look stale to me now
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like all four of those I would say look
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fairly overdone and dated these days I
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and most of the products especially the
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iphone so to have new colors is very
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very welcome I was you know this and I
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think this phone looks great I do think
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it looks a little bit like the old ipod
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touch and a little too uncomfortable
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degree and and i agree with with mike's
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complained that it should definitely
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have a red circle around the touch ID
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button because all the other phones have
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metal color matching circles so there's
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also have a black front i do not like
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white-fronted phones I don't like white
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fronts of the things but a lot of people
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do so like it if they're not going to
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make it in two colors like hey here's a
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red back in a black front and I read a
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black and a white front like they have
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to pick one of them and it's just a
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personal taste thing honestly I think
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the white front looks really good i
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would never want to own it for the
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reasons I've talked to him before by
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putting some reflective white surface
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Nexus screen just makes you screen look
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the engineer because it can never
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compare to the sun shining off a white
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thing like I think it's a I don't want
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it and but it's totally personal
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preference i think it looks I think it
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looks really it looks like a Christmas
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phone looks like a piece of candy people
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say it in like a bad way like oh this
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looks like the ipod touches the ipod
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touches look cool I and you know and
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because this is entirely a fashion thing
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and a taste thing I I have no complaints
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about the white front despite the fact
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that I would never ever ever buy one
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because you know they make phones that
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some people are gonna like it looks
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that's why they make them in different
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colors all point of different calls you
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know like this color pick a different
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color and I love the fact that now there
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was a color that is not silver black or
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some tint thereof like it is a bold
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color for a phone and last time you saw
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that was like the 5c I guess which I
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thought were also really fun well I i
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would say jet black was and it was a
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bold color of that scale like it wasn't
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it wasn't expected you can get any bold
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color as long it's black ya know like
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like it wasn't it wasn't like something
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I would have predicted or expected
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good and ended up being but i would say
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jet-black is is one of those like game
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changer colors that really did really
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did feel new and awesome that being said
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I do wish this was like you know jet red
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like I wish it had the finish of the jet
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black like the tacky because it would
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increase grip and everything and and I
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think it might look a little bit more
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modern because again i don't think i
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would like more like the 5c which was
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also very glossy and colored yeah but
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look you know more saturated and newer
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and you know thinner and everything else
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I think that would help but not look
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like an old ipod touch but I do think
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this is overall very nice looking phone
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the the timing is interesting of it
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being mid-cycle this is about this is
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about when they launched the the SE last
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year right this is you know the cynical
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take on this is this is a nice way for
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them to boost sales in a very slow
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traditionally quarter you know that it's
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a nice way for them to boost sales on
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their most profitable product line i
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wish i did this more often like who
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would complain if they if they treated
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the phone back like watchband it's like
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go out the year every couple months came
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out with different colors of phones
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because it i mean it's you know it gives
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them the freedom to have lots of
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different ideas and honestly does get
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people more excited because phones are
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very much faster and accessories and if
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you can come up with different colors
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and different parts of the year people
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like it does renew your interesting
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getting the phones especially if you see
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the phones and you're like I don't know
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if I need a new phone I'm not sure I
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like all these new colors especially if
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it the same as last year where it's like
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gold rose gold and maybe you don't like
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the jet black or whatever if you knew
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you could wait three months and they
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would be like you know a teal one or a
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purple one or a yellow one I mean I
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still see five Cs that are white now
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like that's a cool looking phone right
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it you know if it's fashion and the
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watch is certainly are and the phone is
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at this point too by all means do this
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as many times as you want Apple I think
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it's think it's great yeah also by the
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way I think a jet white phone like with
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the same finish but in white that would
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look amazing oh yeah but yeah how are
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you allowed to say that and I'm sitting
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here quiet you're thinking it's a jet
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white phone with a black front on it tho
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i guess but that's true well i think
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that would look better yeah i agree with
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you i think the red with the white front
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i think that does look better even
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though i agree also that i wouldn't want
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the white front but i think a black back
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or I mean a white bag I think would only
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look good with a black front
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anyway there's a storm trooper phone
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yeah exactly anyway uh Michael Harmon
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and I want to wait found that god you're
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killing me as big as it's a pleasing
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shape so it does look good in white oh
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oh my god what do I do to deserve this I
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just try to keep you two in lines that
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deserve that's just that this is a
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foundational theory of white car is if
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we not gone over this no we have we had
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think we started with this I think we
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did yeah so anyway I hope I hope you
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know I would just love to see more color
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and apples line in general so angry so I
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hope they keep this up you know this is
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great I don't really I'm not going to
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you know go trade in my you know still
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perfectly fine working iphone 7 that's
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halfway through its cycle for this but
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if I were buying new today I'd seriously
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consider it although I Sultanate Lee I
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still want the grip of the jet black
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finish so i would probably slow side
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against it but give me jet red and jet
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white and we'll talk but anyway i hope
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this fall when presumably new iphones
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come out again all those it's hard to
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say with that but when things will come
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out but presumably this fall i hope they
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continue with even with the new products
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to offer cool new colors yeah I would
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agree with that I really liked the look
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at this I really do wish it was a black
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front there's something to be said for
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white perhaps being a better match but
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the back of this does look awesome and
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they've also released a couple of new
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colors for iphone cases and i believe
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was sapphire on screen anyway looked
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really nice haven't seen it in person
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and they've also released a bunch of
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watch bands which largely matched the
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case colors they've also started selling
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nike+ bands separately which if you want
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something that is for the most part
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visually extremely loud power to you i
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guess and now you can buy the band as a
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sport band having all those holes in it
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is really nice for ventilation because
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the regular support band is pretty
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sweaty because it just you know that's
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solid surface that does not breathe it
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all so the nike bands actually are nicer
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for sport use for any kind of you know
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if you're going to be hot and sweaty if
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they are way nicer because they have
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those holes my wife picked that when she
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bought her watch
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she bought the nike plus one and i think
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in part because of the way she didn't
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get like the neon one but the holes and
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she's she likes it yeah like you know it
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does look like some kind of crazy alien
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creature but it is highly functional but
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anyway one more thing before we get off
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the phone the red phone one at one angle
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I think might be interesting to consider
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or I guess we'll see is like so there's
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two there's two cynical takes and this
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one I mentioned you know to boost sales
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in a slow quarter the second is will
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they release a product red phone with
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the charitable donation portion of its
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profits during the peak season in the
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holidays like will will the will they
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release it on day one basically for the
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next phone because that could cost them
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more money in donations that's the kind
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of thing that I hope they would say you
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know it's worth it and knowing Tim Cook
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I think they probably would he you know
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Jim cook he cares a lot about like
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charitable causes and things that are
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good for the world and for people's
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health and everything else so I can see
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him saying you know what screw it we'll
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take the hit but it's so much money at
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that scale at during the peak order that
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it's it might be a tricky balance it did
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back in the day they they did introduce
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several iPods at the time when the ipod
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was still very important product that
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when a new line came out he would come
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with the product red one like there was
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no delay like what you're talking about
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here are the new ipod nanos and you can
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get by these five colors plus product
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red that happened routinely i know is my
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fought plot of the red ones because they
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were cool neighbor red so i totally
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think they'll do it i think it's just a
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question of like manufacturing ramps and
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how many different colors they can
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handle and being able to deal with
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multiple skews and the color variant
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like we always have problems with that
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like an era how well they try to predict
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what the color mix will be there always
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off by a little bit and it scales they
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do it makes you frustrated they got like
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look for a jet black one or remember
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when people couldn't find the gold
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phones for the very first gold one it's
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difficult so I feel like if they don't
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do it it will mostly be for inventory
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control reasons clips for iOS a
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forthcoming app that will how are they
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pitching this it will basically let you
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make little videos and I think it's
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apple.com / clips what a link in the
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show notes it's like snapchat for olds
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it's not but it's not like snapshot know
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this too many people who have who have
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heard from Apple about this topic this
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appears to be surprisingly to you know
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we were all looking at the announcement
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yesterday surprisingly perhaps the most
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important announcement from Apple's
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perspective of all the things we just
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listed even though it is software not
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hardware and even though it seems like
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great you made an app that we can make
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videos with unlike snapchat and
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Instagram and all these other
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applications that people use to take
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videos of themselves and put words over
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those videos and six stickers on their
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faces and do all the other stuff that
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they do this is not a ping version 2
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point 0 this is not an apple social
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network this is not a way for you to
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share videos for people this is a video
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production tool this is a way for you to
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make impressive looking videos that you
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then shove on to all those social
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networks run by companies that are not
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Apple and it's leveraging Apple
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strengths we know how to make nice
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looking video transition effects we know
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how to take video and incorporate other
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elements in the video we know how to let
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you somehow edit video with your fingers
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on this tiny little phone screen we can
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help you in the same way that I movie
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helped you make like family movies that
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looked a hundred times better than the
[TS]
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family movies they were cut together and
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edited on someone's mini DV camcorder
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like literally on the camcorder like you
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can you use your mac to do it you got
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these amazing transitions and effects
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and things that are previously only
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available and professional software you
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know like you made that yourself even if
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you just use one of the stinkin
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templates or keynote made you let people
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make tasteful presentations it didn't
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look like they were made in PowerPoint
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because they weren't like just by
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providing good tools and templates
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that's what this seems to be a very well
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done application for video production
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whose output is targeting all those
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services that people use to share video
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of themselves yeah I think it looks
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really good like I this is this is
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trying to tie together like three or
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four different worlds none of which I
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really understand or participate in very
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much so it's hard for me to have a smart
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take on how it will do but how it looks
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people who post daily Instagram stories
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just a series of small clips with some
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things that look at they look pretty
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rough and if someone could use in it you
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instagram app but this this should be
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movie was a you know demonstrated Apple
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strengthened back in the day I photo
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used to less now they make good software
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for dealing with media and they're able
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to do it even on the phone to leverage
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all the hardware they have there that
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makes it like a you know a little
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magical video production studio to make
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clever wit and was one of the things
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they were saying there was clever says
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it is facial recognition to know who's
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contact photos to say oh it looks like
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in this video of these three people if
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their faces it does dictation for the
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text so you don't have to type it in and
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supposedly like when you dictate the
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the screen with that cadence so you can
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certain manner make text appear in a way
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like a bunch of curves you know and I
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could be like lots and lots of clever
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touches so what regular people do things
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class of produced videos in the same way
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that they were like professional people
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producing vines presumably using like I
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don't know if I even let you do this but
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some it you know for other other types
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of services where it's clear that there
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is a group of people using tools way
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more sophisticated than our available on
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the social services native app to
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nevertheless share that video on that
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app so like they would make a video like
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an final cut basically with a bunch of
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cool effects and everything and trim it
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down and share it on a social network
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the same way that I take pictures with
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my fancy camera and put them Instagram
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and some people get cranky because like
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it's only supposed to be pictures you
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take with your phone like that's not how
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I'm using Instagram I would imagine
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there are people who are sharing things
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through social services that are made
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with very complicated tools but not
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everyone can do that so this is like an
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in-between thing you have you could use
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the built-in tools for the sharing
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services and make an okay video you go
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one step back which is just a separate
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application that's also on your phone
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and still pretty darn easy to use but
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you get a nicer result and then the
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final one is you know use Final Cut the
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pro to spend a week making this amazing
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video that you hope will go viral and
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you know dude do it anyway there's a
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there's a video on the apple.com / clips
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and the the section is called say it see
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it and there's a little video of a
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gentleman who is saying how to tie a bow
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tie and you see the words pop on screen
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just like you were describing John it
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looks really clever I don't I have a
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snapchat account I only ever use it to
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send or receive pictures with Aaron and
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Declan so often times when he wakes up
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from nap she'll go in there and like
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take a goofy picture with one of the
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goofy filters and I gotta say it is
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actually quite delightful I don't have
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the faintest idea how to use the actual
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features of snapchat that you're
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supposed to be using because I'm old I
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do like Instagram stories I don't find
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myself doing it very often because my
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day is usually pretty boring but I think
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they're super cool and I like that the
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features they've added and so this to me
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I think Marco I know you were being
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snarky but I think you're right to some
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degree to a small degree I do think this
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is snapchat for old people but I'm
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really amped about this I think this is
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going to be super neat to play with and
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it may be that i play with it twice
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never use it again but i really think
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this is apple firing on all cylinders in
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theory anyway we'll see what it when
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it's released but it's embracing all the
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stuff they're good at just like you guys
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said in and ignoring the stuff they're
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not so rather than making another paying
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they're just using this to create
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content and then pushing it to the
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places where you want that content to be
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which is awesome and a lot of really
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nice little touches on here like the oh
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you have Aaron in this video do you want
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to send it to early this all sounds
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really really cool and I'm really
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looking forward to playing with it i'm
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not entirely sure why it was announced
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today like i'm not sure what that really
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buys them because it's almost done I
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that's the thing though like like what
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they did all these announcements via
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this barrage of press releases but after
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these announcements were over and
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throughout the entire day yesterday when
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they're getting all this press you still
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can't pre-order the red iphone you still
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can't pre-order the new cheap ipad you
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can't download the clips app or even
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they didn't even do like the App Store
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notify me thing like they did from Mario
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run like there's nothing we can do about
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this like we're interested now give us a
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way to turn that into something for you
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later Apple but no instead we just have
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to try to remember about these things
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and then when they are available in you
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know a week or three then go get them
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then but like why why couldn't they do
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anything what like why do they have to
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announce this yesterday when none of
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this stuff is even ready to pre-order
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exactly no they're trying to be trying
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to space it out you know like they have
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other announcements they don't want to
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push it up against them like I don't
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really because I think the Apple line
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and this is that they're not the type of
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products that there's going to be a mad
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rush for people to get like it doesn't
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really matter when I tell you about
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clips being a thing because it's going
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to be like a slow burn even though it's
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not even available it requires I was
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10.3 actually so no one's gotten it
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until iOS emily three comes out and 10.3
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is not coming out until you next month
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sometime probably but it's not this may
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be the iphone you could argue like there
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could be a potential rush for that but
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you know i don't know why they all came
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together i don't know why they're all
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not available but i don't think it
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matters that much because for all these
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type of products it's not the type of
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thing where you have to strike while the
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iron is hot and build up a frenzy of
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activity is just going to be cool new
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stuff that Apple's coming out with just
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so you know here it is it'll be here
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it'll be here before you know it but
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it's not a big deal like I don't think
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anybody is it has money burning a hole
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in their pocket for that new iPad even
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though it is better than the old one
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just lets you know if you were thinking
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ab item on maybe wait a little bit and
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for the application it'll be coming out
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soon but it requires the new OS and you
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know I I you can question why didn't
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they wait until like one of the items is
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available and like it was announced
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because that one's all that one's
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available the other ones aren't because
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you can't really make try to make them
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all simultaneously
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particularly mind that they they talk
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about it ahead of time especially since
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like there is something to be said for
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having all the sights talk about it you
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can't get this net but here's our
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exclusive look like you know here here
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is it was the red iphone that you can't
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get your hands on and here is the clips
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app that if anybody has a Clips app that
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won't be out until 10.3 that is another
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way to build hype so who knows I don't
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think anyone even has it i mean like the
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reviewers we at least know like
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reviewers seem to have read iphones but
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i don't think i haven't heard anybody
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mentioned that they have eclipse anyway
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it doesn't matter although the clips out
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by the way getting back to that string
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of playing to their strengths oh the
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more negative tech I'm playing To Your
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Strengths is it is a further emphasis of
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your weakness because like it if you had
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to pick who do you want to be the
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company that is really good in making it
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like a high-quality clever nice
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interface powerful application it takes
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advantage of your phone's hardware to
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make cool videos or the company that
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owns the social network where all those
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videos will be posted whether it be
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Instagram or snapchat or whatever I
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think Apple would trade in a second to
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be the the company that controls the
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social networks where that because
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that's there's more value in being the
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place where people post all their stuff
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than there is in making the application
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that lets people post their stuff and i
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like when i gave the hierarchy before
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was that most people are going to use
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the app a second tier is much fewer
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people who care more about quality will
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use this thing and then a third tier is
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even fewer people use professional tools
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so they're not even getting the fat part
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of that market right i think if they
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could choose they would say boy we
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really wish we were instagram or boy we
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really wish we were snapchat or whatever
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but they aren't and they can't be and
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they're bad at that stuff so at the very
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least this is always talking about like
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people who sell apples good at software
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and they make good interfaces the
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dimensions like are they what
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application have been made recently that
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shows that Apple actually knows how to
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make good applications get workflows an
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example and a phenomenal application
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like we get to the point where I feel
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like the ABA winners I think workflow
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one and a da da da winners are like all
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those applications are better than
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what's Apple is doing whereas this feels
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like a return to form or Apple saying
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the ABA sr4 a cup for people making
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software that we feel like exemplifies
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the ideals and the api's that we're
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promoting or whatever then we at Apple
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are interested in and we at apple also
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want to make applications of that level
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and for a long time it seemed like Apple
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was no longer able to make really great
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applications consistently and clips
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looks like a modern version of really
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great application and rather than being
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a Mac application or like a pro
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application it's like this is this is an
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application to do a simple thing so I
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was like one of the thing then was the
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use of WC so you want to make an
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application that does video those people
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make videos for social services what
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kind of features could you add to it if
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you took advantage of all our api's and
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could you make a really clever interface
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and use all our you know new systems for
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laying out the UI and use everything you
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learn from like it looks like a really
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good third-party application which at
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this point is a high compliment for
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something that Apple puts out yeah i'm
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looking forward to trying this and who
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knows that like i said if i'll ever use
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it but i'm really excited about yeah and
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the application itself like I'm less
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concerned about like you know whatever
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maybe no one will ever use it but I'm
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excited to see Apple making really good
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iOS applications again I always
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applications that even third-party
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developers say that's a good I osf in
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the same way we all say that about you
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know workflow or whatever that's that's
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what's encouraging to me about there's
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not the specifics of like always he made
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an appt to chair video or whatever so I
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did briefly want to address the other
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thing that happened when all these
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announcements dropped which is a bunch
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of people got really mad at things that
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weren't announced and I was one of them
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you know as I mentioned earlier I was
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hoping for a inch macbook update that
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didn't happen yep many people have been
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waiting for imac updates that were
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supposed to happen last fall didn't
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happen lots of people expected the nine
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point seven and twelve point nine inch
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iPad pros to be updated because the nine
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point seven is due now the 12.9 assuming
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it has the same cycle as the other ones
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is now past due by about half a year and
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so a lot of people are mad you know like
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and there was the rumored 10.5 inch iPad
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and I think John Gruber's take on this
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on daring fireball is probably right
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which is like it probably never made
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sense to launch that in the spring that
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probably see that sounds more like a you
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know let the iphone debut the new design
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language and then release the iPad
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afterwards kind of thing or do them both
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it wants to be a big bang
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you know or so but I get it also things
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make more sense than what what was
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predicted which was like you're gonna
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get 20 new iPhones in mar 22 iPads in
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March and they're gonna be weird sizes
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that aren't consistent with each other
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and one of them is going to be amazing
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it's like really it's not know exactly
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never sounded right and we keep hearing
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rumblings to about major iPad
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enhancements in iPad productivity
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product lines than usual right now 2016
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you know at least the laptops recovered
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schedule anymore every other one they
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they're going to be at the new Steve
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eliminating any kind of hardware release
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talk from that keynote and they also
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august and everything so so i'm guessing
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hardware and product wise not software
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they would be an event in April right
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bet Casey five bucks on it you know it's
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five years ago and like snow leopard was
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podcasters everyone thought the world
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all this like I knew I that Clips looked
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me does make them bad and in fact
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specifically I don't have my damn
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adorable refresh but that's okay but I
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started thinking you know why is it that
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that I don't think i would have a few
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about because it means things are less
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predictable and more exciting but I'm
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not that excited about it because I'm
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not always excited about levels
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releasing any more I am always excited
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about new iPhones because every single
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but everything else that's hit or miss
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right like I've not used to touch bar
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for more than a couple of minutes to
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this day but I'm not overwhelmingly
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amped to go get myself one and stuff
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just but I've been trying and I haven't
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trying to figure out you know why am i
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less excited about late announcements of
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late than I have been in the past and
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that I feel like there was always
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something in every single product that I
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could be like holy hell that looks
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awesome and so maybe a product that I
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pro I don't have any desire for that in
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my life but I can see cool things about
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it and similarly like the smart keyboard
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for both sizes that's cool and that was
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fairly recent in fairness but I don't
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know I just I feel like in years past
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everything had something really cool
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about it maybe I'm just becoming a
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cynical old man maybe that's the problem
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but I'm just less excited about it and I
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of that is that these products just may
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not be for me anymore
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or and and maybe I just gotta get okay
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with that you know what still is
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possibly for you what the macbook escape
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man it's a really good computer I think
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in 15 days after the lag if it's not a
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real computer I might have a macbook
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escape to sell you yeah funny about four
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people being angry about this like I
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mean I think it's what we talked about a
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lot a lot of the other announcements for
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it's like it is not so much about what's
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announced is just like sort of simmering
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desire / resentment for things out that
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aren't getting updated and so every time
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something happens it does include the
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thing you want just makes you angry but
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everyone knew this was going to be like
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there was no event where people were
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going out to sit in a room to listen to
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someone talk this was a press release
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only thing right it wasn't it wasn't
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like they they had everyone come out to
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a location you know so everyone knows
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when when it's a press release only
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thing its lesser stuff the idea that
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they were to release a new 10.5 inch
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iPad you know with an entirely new
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physical design without calling a bunch
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of press to come to a room and sit there
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you know the the amount of ceremony
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the the magnitude of the announcements
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so this is going to be hey it's just
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and some journalists will get briefed in
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various locations but we're not
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gathering everybody into a room we're
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not doing a live Sheeran you know what's
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the caliber of the stuff that's going to
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be there so being disappointed that you
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didn't even get like a macbook refresh I
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have got a macbook refresh with with
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reset like are now now it's almost like
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a delay because they're not going to
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it's entirely conceivable that they
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stuff and then here is an event where
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ever we actually invite people out in
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the near future that it doesn't push any
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future announcements out at all because
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very often they have the thing where
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they dump a bunch of pre-announcements
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and press releases sometimes they do
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like the day before like the real event
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where actual you know people sit in a
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room and get it get a little song and
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dance from Apple right so I totally
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anything and it doesn't include the
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thing that you think should be coming
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that it's painful but the actual things
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that were announced here all seemed fine
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and I actually don't think it pushes
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anything back it doesn't mean that
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there's an imminent announcement or
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anything you could still be cranky about
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the fact that the ipad pro does need an
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update and hasn't got one and when is it
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going to come and if it doesn't come in
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April does that mean I have to wait to
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the beauty like you can continue to be
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sad about that but honestly like I guess
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it's just people getting over the idea
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that the ipad pro might not be updated
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every time there are obvious technology
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upgrades to it like you would think oh
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well surely the big iPad pro will get
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the truth on screen out of the small and
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has it and you wait and wait and wait
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but you know talk to my pro people about
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waiting like you're cranky because
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you're like it's one year come on chop
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chopping like one year haha so young so
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this week hello fresh Squarespace and
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fracture and we will see you next week
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now the show is over they didn't even
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mean to begin as it was accidental oh it
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was accidental John didn't
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money research Marco and Casey wouldn't
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cuz it was accidental it was accidental
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Casey list and a osseo a RM Angie Marco
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are men and I are a c-usa Syracuse we
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have important after show facts about a
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PFS I know you guys are dying for an
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exciting after-show on that my god I'm
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so ready what mailing list is on this is
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lists people complaining about bugs
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being closed about a PFS on iOS
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obviously because it's you know it's not
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officially for the mac actually it's
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still beta for iOS to anyway the bug was
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closed with this explanation iosh best
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normalization and unicode names i have i
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their thing and so that's why you would
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name it would all fold it into a
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as you can you can write that in 20
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different ways in your code with
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combining characters and stuff a PFS now
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treats all files as a bag of bytes on
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iOS and so they closed it as closing the
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bug report so if you use apple's api's
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you don't care about this because it
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does all that sort of normalization for
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you but if you use the direct file
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system API you like the bsd you know the
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unix layer it is a PFS behaves like like
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a plain old UNIX file system which is
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basically give him a buffer full of
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bytes and I will write that to the part
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of the file system that says it's
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supposed to hold the file name and and
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that's it so if you want to write one
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file name in utf-32 and one file name
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and a ski and one file name in utf-8 and
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normalization I'm just a filesystem man
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you just gave me a sequence of bytes
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when you ask me later what the name of
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this file is i'm going to give you that
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sequence of bytes back i hope you know
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what encoding it's in good luck which is
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exactly how i believe linus torvalds of
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linux fame really wished hfs+ behaved
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because he hated the fact that it did
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normalization he said just just take the
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bytes that I give you and stick them in
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your file system and that is apparently
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how a PFS works and I felt the bog on
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this as well to say look I don't know
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this is a bug or feature but hfs+ dude
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hit this way and your new replacement
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behaves that way and it seems to me that
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could possibly cause something
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compatibilities down the line so is this
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something you intended to do or what and
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I don't remember what the status of that
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bug is but this this bug report of if it
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is to be believed that this radar that
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was close is like on iOS anyway that's
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totally what we meant it's now just the
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Bagel Bites user api's you'll be fine
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but it certainly simplifies the file
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system because thousands of no longer
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needs to be concerned about what the
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heck is in the the file names it's just
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it's just a big data buffer and
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everything else is handled it at a
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higher level and arguably that is a
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cleaner layering but it is definitely a
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definite break with how it was done
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before so be careful out there so are
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you excited for a PFS like i know we've
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talked about this in the past but
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sitting here now have you been it seems
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like you're keeping up with it keeping
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up with it at least a little bit I am
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I'm excited for it I'm a little bit
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worried about compatibility things
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because of this encoding issue and I'm a
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little bit worried about bugs and stuff
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but I bought a new fastest then and I'm
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getting one and you know I'm still I
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still think about it and get sad about
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the the lack of data integrity features
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and stuff like that but there there are
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enough new interesting features that I'm
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that I'm still excited for it i just do
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worry about you know maybe i'll just
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like I should really upgrade my synology
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to btrfs which it now actually supports
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with the new thing but I don't know a
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way to do it in place and they don't
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have any place to copy all this data off
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to and put it back on except for the
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network and so anyway I would like it if
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my backups at least were someplace where
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I knew that they were not bit rotting
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I'll just continue to have to sort of
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bury my head in the sand about the state
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of the data I'm actual max because if
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is not helping me there hi titles uh
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what is it that you and I suggested
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simultaneously Oh Christmas phone yeah
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that was that yeah that's it what was
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the shoelace thing I've already lost the
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thread on the what was the amount of
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thread hey what was the analogy for the
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show I was the macbook pro like once you
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had to reformat it right okay yeah yeah
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if you listen to analog John you would
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know the story of I know the shul a
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story I've heard that episode stop it
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I've heard that episode you can jump in
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anytime John you don't have to go to the
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back catalog everyone knows the shoelace
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story and and if you had and if you
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didn't hear in an analog in here Mike
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talk about it on eight thousand other
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episodes of other shows so it's not like
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you can avoid the shoelace but he told
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the best with me dammit I know I didn't
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I heard it first there I still like
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Christmas phone although span across my
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leg gap actually starting to edge that I
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don't like them either like gap what was
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the true light shoelace is rising this
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is my shoelaces rising and oh boo just
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going to hear Mike talk about how
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awesome e is for inspiring the title
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awesome e is for inspiring the title
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and I don't want to deal with that but
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he is he is that awesome because that
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was an amazing story we don't need but
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we don't need to tell him that we don't
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need to give him that moment what is he
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doing with the shoelaces that they're
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breaking that's my real question I can't
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remember the last time I had a shoelace
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break like is he being very rough with
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them is he rubbing his shoe against
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something there fraying like who
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shoelaces break maybe the style in Great
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Britain is to have really tightly laced
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shoes like to really tighten them up you
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know this is very thin I don't know it's
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it's it's a suspicious story my shoelace
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just broke as I pulled really partner
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snap oh I can't I have to put my job now
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hey should check to check his lightning
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cable how are they doing like that's it
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like if I if I replace this lightning
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cable I'm I'll just use this iPad pro
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for another year
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