The Accidental Tech Podcast

215: Pots Are Made to Be Broken


00:00:00   some point in the semi near future we [TS]

00:00:02   should do our I guess biannual which can [TS]

00:00:05   either mean twice a year or every two [TS]

00:00:06   years announcement on the show that [TS]

00:00:09   there is more of the podcast that for [TS]

00:00:11   the song because I still okay yeah I [TS]

00:00:13   still occasionally you know wake up in [TS]

00:00:16   the mill that I and think I wonder how [TS]

00:00:18   many people stopped listening when the [TS]

00:00:19   song plays it haunts me a little bit [TS]

00:00:21   done that's our pre-show that doesn't [TS]

00:00:24   count as the announcement I need to like [TS]

00:00:26   explain that link as it does no I bought [TS]

00:00:28   it I mean fine you can put that in [TS]

00:00:29   that's fine but I'm like I want to [TS]

00:00:31   explain it link like the song plays and [TS]

00:00:33   then the show continues and I know it's [TS]

00:00:35   confusing but that's just what we do yes [TS]

00:00:36   we have an after show it's after the [TS]

00:00:38   theme song listen to it the end but [TS]

00:00:40   minute it needs to be explained how much [TS]

00:00:42   more does it need this does not need to [TS]

00:00:44   be it does not need to be belabor do you [TS]

00:00:46   think it doesn't need to be booked trust [TS]

00:00:48   me like it here yes yes you if you were [TS]

00:00:51   more of you know invasive instead of [TS]

00:00:55   respecting people's privacy we could [TS]

00:00:57   know exactly when they stopped listening [TS]

00:00:58   on overcast anyway but no you don't [TS]

00:01:01   wanna collect any data about anybody [TS]

00:01:02   just ask the mid role they probably know [TS]

00:01:04   Oh sick burn sick burn so it's been a [TS]

00:01:10   big week huge week you could say because [TS]

00:01:13   John siracusa you have your new file [TS]

00:01:15   system on your phone assuming you've [TS]

00:01:17   upgraded so how about them apples I did [TS]

00:01:21   upgrade i upgraded my device and [TS]

00:01:23   everybody's device I was very excited to [TS]

00:01:25   do it it's a little less bit less [TS]

00:01:27   exciting than having on your Mac because [TS]

00:01:28   there's really no way as far as I've [TS]

00:01:30   been able to determine to tell that you [TS]

00:01:33   have a PFS on your iOS device short of [TS]

00:01:35   you know digging around with some dev [TS]

00:01:38   tool or whatever one of the things that [TS]

00:01:40   I heard people mentioning to try which [TS]

00:01:42   makes sense to me is you know in [TS]

00:01:44   settings general like storage usage or [TS]

00:01:50   manage storage like somewhere you keep [TS]

00:01:52   going down to the thing that tells you [TS]

00:01:52   how much room is being taken up on your [TS]

00:01:55   iOS device by various applications their [TS]

00:01:57   files you know that screen well that [TS]

00:02:00   screen in the old world had to crawl [TS]

00:02:04   through each applications you know [TS]

00:02:06   little directory of stuff and add up the [TS]

00:02:08   size of everything and it would take a [TS]

00:02:10   lot of load you'd see it like load some [TS]

00:02:11   of the things then you'd wait and [TS]

00:02:12   there'd be a little [TS]

00:02:13   benner and some more applications would [TS]

00:02:14   appear and if you you know if you looked [TS]

00:02:17   at it quickly you think oh the thing [TS]

00:02:18   that's most using the most storage is [TS]

00:02:20   whatever is on the top but is wait two [TS]

00:02:21   seconds another Apple come in another [TS]

00:02:22   app and I timed it on my old iphone 6 [TS]

00:02:28   and it was like 20-something seconds now [TS]

00:02:30   I haven't upgraded that old iphone 6 to [TS]

00:02:32   a PFS yet but in theory because one of [TS]

00:02:35   the features that a PFS has is what they [TS]

00:02:36   call fast directory sizing where the [TS]

00:02:38   file system keeps track of the size of [TS]

00:02:39   the stuff that's under a directory in [TS]

00:02:41   real time all the time rather than [TS]

00:02:44   having to crawl over it and calculate it [TS]

00:02:46   when you asked for it in theory that [TS]

00:02:48   screen well it's just not how how big [TS]

00:02:51   everything is should be a lot faster [TS]

00:02:52   because I didn't think to do this until [TS]

00:02:54   I had upgraded almost every device in [TS]

00:02:56   the house I don't actually have numbers [TS]

00:02:58   on it but I can tell you that on my [TS]

00:02:59   iphone 7 that I did upgrade it is two to [TS]

00:03:02   three times as fast as it is on the [TS]

00:03:04   iphone 6 that I didn't upgrade but [TS]

00:03:06   anyway when I'm actually might upgrade [TS]

00:03:07   the iphone 6 i'll get timings um but [TS]

00:03:09   that's the first thing i can think of to [TS]

00:03:10   like how how will this manifest in a way [TS]

00:03:13   that you can notice the other way all [TS]

00:03:15   right a hold on it so just to be clear [TS]

00:03:17   that's settings general this is in 10.3 [TS]

00:03:21   storage and I Cloud usage and then [TS]

00:03:23   manage storage and you'll see used and [TS]

00:03:26   available and then you'll see all the [TS]

00:03:28   stuff kind of populate all in one shot [TS]

00:03:30   ya know it's actually more than one shot [TS]

00:03:32   but it's pretty doing it it does it it's [TS]

00:03:34   not instant which is what you would [TS]

00:03:35   think good be which makes you think [TS]

00:03:36   maybe it's not actually faster because [TS]

00:03:38   like so many things after OS upgrades [TS]

00:03:40   there are a lot of sort of false [TS]

00:03:42   indicators if you you know any any OS [TS]

00:03:45   upgrade mac upgrade a phone upgrade even [TS]

00:03:48   just rebooting makes many things faster [TS]

00:03:50   subjectively and objectively so it's [TS]

00:03:52   very difficult to tell the other item [TS]

00:03:53   it's not in the and the notes here but [TS]

00:03:56   that has come up a lot is like wow i [TS]

00:03:57   upgraded 10.3 and suddenly i have more [TS]

00:04:00   free space on my phone is that a tribute [TS]

00:04:03   to a PFS maybe because of maybe like [TS]

00:04:07   volume bitmap sizes and file system [TS]

00:04:11   metadata but that's a stretch most [TS]

00:04:12   likely my theory is that it cleans out [TS]

00:04:16   you know just rebooting and cleaning out [TS]

00:04:18   cache files as part of the upgrade [TS]

00:04:19   process frees up a free space because [TS]

00:04:21   you know how iOS caches a bunch of crap [TS]

00:04:23   in places that aren't really attributed [TS]

00:04:25   to any particular application [TS]

00:04:26   like I don't know I would there's [TS]

00:04:28   nothing specific in a PFS unless they're [TS]

00:04:30   doing a lot of copy-on-write cloning of [TS]

00:04:32   duplicate files which I don't think they [TS]

00:04:34   are as part of the upgrade process I [TS]

00:04:36   can't imagine getting back some huge [TS]

00:04:38   percentage of disk space but I don't [TS]

00:04:40   know I haven't heard a convincing [TS]

00:04:41   explanation that but certainly it's [TS]

00:04:43   possible that merely by rebooting or [TS]

00:04:45   doing the OS upgrading cleaning out [TS]

00:04:46   temporary directories you could free up [TS]

00:04:48   a lot of extra space some people have [TS]

00:04:50   reported that the total capacity is [TS]

00:04:51   reported differently and that could be [TS]

00:04:53   the case as well but there's million [TS]

00:04:54   things that can cause that but anyway I [TS]

00:04:55   would say fast directory sizing assuming [TS]

00:04:58   it's even being used by that storage [TS]

00:05:01   management screen could be way a way [TS]

00:05:03   that you can tell this is happening but [TS]

00:05:04   even if there is actually no way for you [TS]

00:05:06   to tell that you've upgraded the file [TS]

00:05:07   system you can get warm fuzzies inside [TS]

00:05:10   and knowing that a better file system is [TS]

00:05:12   there under the covers and then erase [TS]

00:05:14   those warm fuzzies with a giant eraser [TS]

00:05:16   that says that integrity is still not [TS]

00:05:18   being checked so good luck I mean for [TS]

00:05:21   what it's worth a TP tipster in the chat [TS]

00:05:22   has said that if you have a 64-bit [TS]

00:05:25   device and you're running iOS 10 3 you [TS]

00:05:28   were running a PFS yeah that's the story [TS]

00:05:30   is you don't have a choice you get it [TS]

00:05:31   whether you want it or not oh and one [TS]

00:05:33   more item on AV if that's the thing [TS]

00:05:35   that's actually in here David Reed [TS]

00:05:36   written to say that someone in Arabic [TS]

00:05:39   speaking country was using his [TS]

00:05:41   application on iOS 10.3 public beta and [TS]

00:05:43   they couldn't open their files until [TS]

00:05:45   renaming them to English after upgrading [TS]

00:05:47   from Iowa standpoint to toot my 3 this [TS]

00:05:49   gets back to what we talked about at the [TS]

00:05:50   end of the last show that a PFS does not [TS]

00:05:52   normalize the character encoding of file [TS]

00:05:55   names and I thought as I said the last [TS]

00:05:57   show well that's a bummer if you're [TS]

00:05:59   using raw access to the file systems [TS]

00:06:01   through the bsd layer but surely if [TS]

00:06:03   you're using cocoa or UI kit or whatever [TS]

00:06:06   you know some high-level framework that [TS]

00:06:08   you don't have to worry about this [TS]

00:06:09   because it will do all that for you on [TS]

00:06:11   the way down to the file system on the [TS]

00:06:13   way back up but apparently that's not [TS]

00:06:14   the case because i'm assuming david reid [TS]

00:06:15   is not using direct bsd api's to do file [TS]

00:06:18   i/o if you have an application that is [TS]

00:06:22   not careful with character encoding when [TS]

00:06:24   running out file names it could be that [TS]

00:06:26   previously worked fine because you would [TS]

00:06:27   say give me the file called cafe with [TS]

00:06:30   the knee with an accent over it and [TS]

00:06:31   doesn't really matter how you encoded [TS]

00:06:33   that in Unicode because the file system [TS]

00:06:34   when searching for the file with that [TS]

00:06:36   file name would take what you entered no [TS]

00:06:38   matter how you did it normal [TS]

00:06:40   that's what Unicode normalization is is [TS]

00:06:41   take a representation and encoded in [TS]

00:06:44   just one way even though you can write [TS]

00:06:45   that same word seven different ways pick [TS]

00:06:47   one way to do it there's a whole bunch [TS]

00:06:49   of different normalizations defined by [TS]

00:06:50   Unicode but apples hfs+ uses a weird [TS]

00:06:52   variant of one of them and then when you [TS]

00:06:55   compare to the list of files in the [TS]

00:06:56   directory in the file system just say [TS]

00:06:58   well everything in the directory on the [TS]

00:07:01   file system is normalized and the string [TS]

00:07:02   that I'm comparing with I just [TS]

00:07:03   normalized and so I'll compare them to [TS]

00:07:04   each other when they get a match I find [TS]

00:07:06   your file if on the other hand the file [TS]

00:07:08   system like a PFS doesn't do any [TS]

00:07:10   normalization I would assume that the [TS]

00:07:12   file names in the file system are that [TS]

00:07:15   are pre-existing from like you converted [TS]

00:07:17   to 10.2 to 10 13 those are normalized [TS]

00:07:19   according to the HFS normalization but [TS]

00:07:20   maybe when you look for that file name [TS]

00:07:22   and you send in your file it is not [TS]

00:07:24   normalized in the same way and it will [TS]

00:07:25   search the directory for a file with [TS]

00:07:26   that name and never find an exact match [TS]

00:07:28   and safe there's no file by that name [TS]

00:07:30   file not found and so that's why [TS]

00:07:32   renaming the file to English would you [TS]

00:07:34   know get it into you know a ski or [TS]

00:07:36   something that isn't in Kota belen [TS]

00:07:37   multiple different ways in the normal [TS]

00:07:39   case would let you find the file so I [TS]

00:07:41   don't know if this is an isolated case [TS]

00:07:43   or we're going to see more of this but [TS]

00:07:44   you know this this apparently is the [TS]

00:07:47   conscious choice that Apple is made out [TS]

00:07:48   of inspire a dar that they closed the [TS]

00:07:52   saying yep this is the way a PFS works [TS]

00:07:54   that's not the way HFS works this is the [TS]

00:07:56   future everyone get used to it so one [TS]

00:08:00   other thing to add and I think Gruber [TS]

00:08:02   had made mention of this on daring [TS]

00:08:04   fireball but I think it's worth noting [TS]

00:08:05   that it is absolutely bananas to me that [TS]

00:08:09   millions upon millions upon millions of [TS]

00:08:11   iOS devices have been upgraded and I [TS]

00:08:13   have not heard a single horror story of [TS]

00:08:16   somebody's data getting lost of some [TS]

00:08:18   catastrophic thing happening I'm sure it [TS]

00:08:20   did happen I'm sure there's someone [TS]

00:08:22   listening to this show that might have [TS]

00:08:24   had it happen to them but in terms of [TS]

00:08:27   the circles I typically travel in I have [TS]

00:08:29   yet to hear anyone's horror stories and [TS]

00:08:31   that is unbelievably impressive and even [TS]

00:08:33   if there are a handful of horror stories [TS]

00:08:36   there's been so few that given the [TS]

00:08:39   magnitude of the change that was made it [TS]

00:08:42   is preposterous to me that it has gone [TS]

00:08:44   as well as and you shouldn't be [TS]

00:08:46   preposterous though because on a past [TS]

00:08:47   episode like this is not to denigrate [TS]

00:08:49   the the work the files [TS]

00:08:50   the up and I would say also like the [TS]

00:08:51   upgrade team whoever does the upgrade [TS]

00:08:53   her like did they did good work but this [TS]

00:08:54   is how there's nothing's working in [TS]

00:08:56   technical circles and in programming [TS]

00:08:57   much much like Marcos favorite hobby [TS]

00:09:01   horse it doesn't really matter how hard [TS]

00:09:03   you try on something that you don't get [TS]

00:09:05   there's no points for effort staying [TS]

00:09:08   really late and trying really hard and [TS]

00:09:10   being a good person and all those things [TS]

00:09:12   don't help what makes you avoid or makes [TS]

00:09:16   you have a program that is successful [TS]

00:09:18   and that works correctly is as design is [TS]

00:09:23   like you know what what is the structure [TS]

00:09:24   of this thing so as we discuss some [TS]

00:09:26   petty shows the way this file system in [TS]

00:09:28   many modern file system works for that [TS]

00:09:30   allows you to do this conversion is that [TS]

00:09:32   it doesn't move any of the data it [TS]

00:09:34   leaves everything exactly where it is it [TS]

00:09:36   doesn't modify the file system at all it [TS]

00:09:38   just rides a new set of metadata [TS]

00:09:40   pointing to all the existing data and it [TS]

00:09:42   can do that at its leisure at any point [TS]

00:09:44   of that process fails or you know [TS]

00:09:46   something it doesn't matter it has not [TS]

00:09:47   done anything destructive to the file [TS]

00:09:49   system only after it is done a complete [TS]

00:09:51   accounting with complete new metadata [TS]

00:09:52   pointing to the other data that's [TS]

00:09:54   sitting there at rest not being moved [TS]

00:09:55   not being modified in any way does it do [TS]

00:09:57   one quick small critical section it says [TS]

00:09:59   and switcheroo use this instead of that [TS]

00:10:02   and that tiny crypt like that's design [TS]

00:10:04   as opposed to saying I'm going to [TS]

00:10:06   convert this by you know doing like a [TS]

00:10:09   you know slide puzzles with us like a [TS]

00:10:10   little open space and usually 11 little [TS]

00:10:13   tile is not there so you have to slide [TS]

00:10:15   the towels around to the constantly in [TS]

00:10:16   the open space it could convert your [TS]

00:10:17   file system piecemeal like that saying [TS]

00:10:19   I'm going to use this free space to [TS]

00:10:21   start writing a new file system i'm [TS]

00:10:22   going to copy all the data piece at a [TS]

00:10:23   time to a new thing for pretty much that [TS]

00:10:25   entire process your file system is hosed [TS]

00:10:28   if anything fails at any point you have [TS]

00:10:30   like a new pleat unbootable garbage [TS]

00:10:31   system and no matter how hard you try [TS]

00:10:33   like oh I'm a really good program i'm [TS]

00:10:36   going to make that process really [TS]

00:10:37   foolproof you can't because the design [TS]

00:10:39   is bad the reason this works flawlessly [TS]

00:10:41   the only way you could ever get [TS]

00:10:42   something like this to work as as you [TS]

00:10:44   know as successfully as it has is with a [TS]

00:10:47   design that allows you to do that so [TS]

00:10:49   this is another one advantage of modern [TS]

00:10:50   file systems that you couldn't do this [TS]

00:10:52   with the conversion from HFS to hfs+ [TS]

00:10:54   means there were utilities to do it and [TS]

00:10:56   they were terrifying right it's good [TS]

00:10:59   design up front and also on top of that [TS]

00:11:01   also a good execution of that design [TS]

00:11:03   obviously so there's no all credit where [TS]

00:11:05   credit is due but I found that in my [TS]

00:11:07   experience as a programmer for lo these [TS]

00:11:09   many years no matter how no matter how [TS]

00:11:13   much effort and what a good job you do [TS]

00:11:15   an execution if your initial design has [TS]

00:11:17   doesn't have certain properties that you [TS]

00:11:18   need there's really not much you can do [TS]

00:11:21   whereas if you have a good design and [TS]

00:11:22   you have one or two bugs it's easy to [TS]

00:11:24   shake them out and to be you know like [TS]

00:11:27   it's like when you when you design [TS]

00:11:28   something that comes out better than you [TS]

00:11:30   thought it did and it solves even more [TS]

00:11:31   problems than you thought it would and [TS]

00:11:32   has fewer bugs and you thought because [TS]

00:11:33   it's just a good design that's just a [TS]

00:11:35   matter of like mechanically making that [TS]

00:11:37   design successful it is so much less [TS]

00:11:39   painful than when you you know do your [TS]

00:11:41   best effort to implement something that [TS]

00:11:43   is ultimately a flawed designer that [TS]

00:11:44   you're asking to do something that it [TS]

00:11:45   wasn't meant to do so so kudos to the [TS]

00:11:47   file system team for coming up with the [TS]

00:11:49   fascism that has this property in its [TS]

00:11:52   design that it can do this and then also [TS]

00:11:54   by the way successfully doing it yeah [TS]

00:11:57   it's just it's really impressive and and [TS]

00:12:00   you know I've heard rumors a couple of [TS]

00:12:02   years ago right around new years about [TS]

00:12:03   how their software software reliability [TS]

00:12:06   really had gone down the crapper and [TS]

00:12:08   this is a positive step in the other [TS]

00:12:09   direction yeah I I really am very [TS]

00:12:14   impressed with the relative a PFS like [TS]

00:12:17   if you would have asked us back when it [TS]

00:12:19   was announced this past summer like what [TS]

00:12:21   devices do we think we'll have it first [TS]

00:12:23   I figure out whether we actually did [TS]

00:12:25   speculate on this or not but we would [TS]

00:12:26   have almost certainly said they would [TS]

00:12:28   have been the most careful and would [TS]

00:12:30   have taken the longest to put it on the [TS]

00:12:31   iPhone because they have the most [TS]

00:12:33   iPhones it's the most high-profile [TS]

00:12:34   device right the fact that they deployed [TS]

00:12:37   on a hundred percent of iphones with it [TS]

00:12:39   well you know hundreds of 64-bit iphones [TS]

00:12:41   with this newest update at first as like [TS]

00:12:44   the first deployment of this file system [TS]

00:12:46   is incredibly impressive very bold and [TS]

00:12:48   and the fact that as you said there were [TS]

00:12:50   really seemingly no problems with it [TS]

00:12:53   incredibly cool you know even though [TS]

00:12:56   john says it's easy ish you know I no [TS]

00:12:59   asterisk at first but you know I [TS]

00:13:00   recognize that is the design allows it [TS]

00:13:03   to happen sure I think item and that was [TS]

00:13:05   the important part of the decision not [TS]

00:13:06   you know you know I mean like with this [TS]

00:13:08   design you that's why I feel like they [TS]

00:13:10   can be emboldened to do this because if [TS]

00:13:12   they had a different design no matter [TS]

00:13:13   how careful they were it could be the [TS]

00:13:15   correct move would [TS]

00:13:16   and we can never upgrade people in place [TS]

00:13:18   the only way we roll this out is by [TS]

00:13:20   people buying new phones because we have [TS]

00:13:21   no way to safely convert that would have [TS]

00:13:24   had to be the decision if you didn't [TS]

00:13:25   have a system like this because it would [TS]

00:13:26   be crazy to say well we're going to [TS]

00:13:28   start these 50-minute upgrades and if [TS]

00:13:29   anything goes wrong that unimportant [TS]

00:13:30   people's phones are bricked and then by [TS]

00:13:32   the way they lose all their data because [TS]

00:13:33   we've just basically scrambled it into [TS]

00:13:34   soup if that was the choice you had to [TS]

00:13:36   say there is no conversion you will get [TS]

00:13:38   a PFS when you buy a new iphone that's [TS]

00:13:40   it yeah and and the fact that that they [TS]

00:13:43   were able to do this and that they just [TS]

00:13:45   did it kind of silently in this point [TS]

00:13:47   update it wasn't even like a major OS [TS]

00:13:48   update that's that's pretty cool and it [TS]

00:13:52   does make a lot of sense on a phone in [TS]

00:13:54   the sense that like as we mentioned when [TS]

00:13:56   this was first announced like on a phone [TS]

00:13:58   the entire software ecosystem around [TS]

00:14:02   phones is meant for you to ideally if as [TS]

00:14:06   long as you participate in the various [TS]

00:14:08   cloud services and backup services that [TS]

00:14:10   ideally your phone can get flushed down [TS]

00:14:13   a toilet at any moment and you can go [TS]

00:14:16   buy a new phone and log in and have [TS]

00:14:17   everything just you know restore to it [TS]

00:14:19   so in that sense it is kind of a lower [TS]

00:14:22   risk than the way most people's max were [TS]

00:14:23   set up but still deploying it to their [TS]

00:14:26   largest device family and highest [TS]

00:14:28   profile device family were like if [TS]

00:14:29   anything went wrong it would have been [TS]

00:14:31   massive headline news that was a bold [TS]

00:14:34   move and they did it they did it well so [TS]

00:14:36   kudos to them yeah the other the [TS]

00:14:38   countervailing forces of course why [TS]

00:14:40   would they even bother doing out of the [TS]

00:14:41   Mac because they care so much more about [TS]

00:14:42   the iphone so it's like how much you [TS]

00:14:44   care about the product and want to [TS]

00:14:46   invest in it versus the incredible [TS]

00:14:47   danger as you said of like if you make a [TS]

00:14:48   mistake on the iPhone it's a big deal [TS]

00:14:50   and I don't know if the tenth rebate it [TS]

00:14:51   was longer than normal but I think [TS]

00:14:53   having wider more public betas for [TS]

00:14:56   longer periods of time is another [TS]

00:14:58   another factor in making them feel okay [TS]

00:15:01   and going forward this again even with [TS]

00:15:03   the good design just to make sure that [TS]

00:15:04   you know you do have everything worked [TS]

00:15:05   out because because this doesn't move [TS]

00:15:07   any of the data like this the conversion [TS]

00:15:09   in effect does kind of an equivalent of [TS]

00:15:11   the hfs+ fsck because it has to go find [TS]

00:15:14   where all the data is again kind of like [TS]

00:15:16   when you run disk first aid and it finds [TS]

00:15:17   out like you know some some metadata is [TS]

00:15:19   wrong because there's some space on your [TS]

00:15:21   disk aletta thought was occupied but [TS]

00:15:23   it's actually free or something and it [TS]

00:15:24   updates its metadata it has to crawl [TS]

00:15:26   over every little bit of data and find [TS]

00:15:27   out where all of it is so maybe that [TS]

00:15:29   also is [TS]

00:15:30   performed as part of the conversion but [TS]

00:15:31   still if there are mistakes somewhere on [TS]

00:15:35   your on your on your disk essentially [TS]

00:15:37   nothing you have a disk in there this is [TS]

00:15:39   not going to fix them it's going to [TS]

00:15:41   preserve them and they're going still [TS]

00:15:42   going to be there so if you have some [TS]

00:15:44   sort of problem it's in theory even [TS]

00:15:46   though they're not modifying the data it [TS]

00:15:48   could you know upon rebooting or doing [TS]

00:15:50   something else because the difference in [TS]

00:15:52   the way a PFS works it could reveal [TS]

00:15:53   upright of a pre-existing age of us plus [TS]

00:15:55   problem i have no idea phones ever run [TS]

00:15:57   fsck or how they deal with that but [TS]

00:15:59   considering they have run hfs+ for so [TS]

00:16:01   long those same errors that we all find [TS]

00:16:03   when we run disk utility or max surely [TS]

00:16:05   are there on our phones as well and [TS]

00:16:07   nothing about this conversion process is [TS]

00:16:09   is going to help them along goodness [TS]

00:16:13   right anything else on a PFS i'm [TS]

00:16:14   surprised i mean this is this is your [TS]

00:16:17   crowning moment my friend this is Swift [TS]

00:16:20   I wanna know my mac i'm just a mac guy [TS]

00:16:22   and just a mac guy at heart like it's [TS]

00:16:24   cool that it's on the phone but you know [TS]

00:16:26   like I on the mac because I woke you can [TS]

00:16:28   you can feel the coolness more on Mac on [TS]

00:16:31   the mac and theory that the finder [TS]

00:16:32   implements the like instant copy thing [TS]

00:16:33   you can take like a you know 20 gig file [TS]

00:16:35   and duplicate it and see that it happens [TS]

00:16:38   in a fraction of a second your disk [TS]

00:16:39   space doesn't go down you don't get that [TS]

00:16:41   kind of experience on a phone come on oh [TS]

00:16:42   yeah alright Tom Jones rights in that's [TS]

00:16:50   not the singer right he writes then I [TS]

00:16:53   heard John extolling the virtues of [TS]

00:16:54   being able to just say to the air how [TS]

00:16:57   many teaspoons are there in a cup and [TS]

00:16:58   his Amazon echo would answer the [TS]

00:17:00   question and Thomas provided the answer [TS]

00:17:02   which is 48 while there's no doubt that [TS]

00:17:04   this is a great thing to be able to do [TS]

00:17:06   you can also do that with the iphone [TS]

00:17:07   something he would certainly know if he [TS]

00:17:10   had said what was it ahoy telephone in a [TS]

00:17:14   or Fiat had a high telephone enabled for [TS]

00:17:16   more than a couple of weeks I put the [TS]

00:17:19   center is that we talked about in last [TS]

00:17:20   show but apparently didn't emphasize it [TS]

00:17:21   enough like what is the difference [TS]

00:17:23   between you know a setting aside how [TS]

00:17:26   well the services do when they [TS]

00:17:27   understand you what is it there between [TS]

00:17:28   hasty versus having a cylinder in your [TS]

00:17:30   house that listens to you I'll did I do [TS]

00:17:33   it again say if you love my phone so no [TS]

00:17:35   problem here the big difference the big [TS]

00:17:39   difference is that cylinders do not move [TS]

00:17:42   like you [TS]

00:17:44   the men to the wall and they're in a [TS]

00:17:45   particular place and that also on top of [TS]

00:17:48   that cylinders in my experience have [TS]

00:17:51   better microphones maybe it's because [TS]

00:17:54   they're stationary maybe it's because [TS]

00:17:55   the upright babies because they just [TS]

00:17:57   have more mics at the glamazon echo has [TS]

00:17:59   many mics in it yeah and what that means [TS]

00:18:02   is the experience of talking to the air [TS]

00:18:05   two things one is going to be more [TS]

00:18:08   successful because the thing doesn't [TS]

00:18:09   move in and has more mics so it's always [TS]

00:18:11   going to be in the same proximity so you [TS]

00:18:12   can get a feel for when and how can I [TS]

00:18:14   say this and how loud do I have to speak [TS]

00:18:15   to be heard and everything because this [TS]

00:18:16   not variable and to the most important [TS]

00:18:19   thing that I would mention when I was [TS]

00:18:20   talking about talking two cylinders is [TS]

00:18:22   getting over the idea like getting [TS]

00:18:24   yourself to instinctively understand [TS]

00:18:26   that something is listening [TS]

00:18:28   understanding that you can talk to the [TS]

00:18:29   air because if you have to think about [TS]

00:18:31   it first hmm maybe I should ask this to [TS]

00:18:33   the air Oh is the thing in the air [TS]

00:18:35   nearby or listening to be like getting [TS]

00:18:38   over that so it becomes unconscious and [TS]

00:18:39   so you just expect it to be there to do [TS]

00:18:42   that you have to you have to know you [TS]

00:18:44   have to you have to not have to think [TS]

00:18:46   about is the cylinder near where is it [TS]

00:18:48   and with my phone my phone is all over [TS]

00:18:50   the house right my phone could be [TS]

00:18:51   upstairs downstairs in a different room [TS]

00:18:53   whatever the cylinders don't move and [TS]

00:18:55   that lets me eventually become [TS]

00:18:56   comfortable when I'm say in the kitchen [TS]

00:18:59   which is always a fixed distance from [TS]

00:19:00   where my cylinder is knowing that I can [TS]

00:19:02   rely on the thing being there whereas I [TS]

00:19:04   have I don't want to think about where [TS]

00:19:05   is my phone right or is my phone [TS]

00:19:08   facedown or face up or in a case or [TS]

00:19:10   buried underneath someone's hat on an [TS]

00:19:12   end table so it can't hear me or [TS]

00:19:14   anything like that and so setting aside [TS]

00:19:16   again what it does when it hears you and [TS]

00:19:18   the variability of how good these [TS]

00:19:20   devices are at this like a group of just [TS]

00:19:22   posted a thing about a car play versus [TS]

00:19:24   Android auto and which see read not come [TS]

00:19:26   out looking particularly good and not [TS]

00:19:27   because it couldn't understand people [TS]

00:19:29   because that is another fixed distance [TS]

00:19:30   for microphone thing but that you would [TS]

00:19:33   think this is a minor thing but the [TS]

00:19:35   cylinders being stationary and having [TS]

00:19:37   better Mike's is what makes the [TS]

00:19:38   experience get over the hump for me [TS]

00:19:41   anyway from being maybe I could [TS]

00:19:44   occasionally talk to my telephone if it [TS]

00:19:45   happens to be nearby versus one hundred [TS]

00:19:48   percent when I'm in my kitchen I can [TS]

00:19:49   shout out a route you know a thing to [TS]

00:19:52   set a timer and it will just be said and [TS]

00:19:54   it will hear me the first time and it [TS]

00:19:55   will always work and I don't have to [TS]

00:19:56   think of [TS]

00:19:56   or anything else i own is we are [TS]

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00:20:12   here's the thing i love online backup [TS]

00:20:13   the concept of online backup is amazing [TS]

00:20:16   because there are so many hazards that [TS]

00:20:18   could happen to your computer that could [TS]

00:20:20   that could lose your data and even if [TS]

00:20:22   you have say a time machine drive or you [TS]

00:20:25   know a local disk clone of some sort [TS]

00:20:27   that is good you should probably have it [TS]

00:20:29   back please even says you should have [TS]

00:20:31   that as well because it's fast to [TS]

00:20:32   restore from those and they can be very [TS]

00:20:33   convenient but you also need online [TS]

00:20:36   backup because there are lots of hazards [TS]

00:20:37   that can happen to your computer that [TS]

00:20:39   would also affect any backup drive is [TS]

00:20:41   connected to it or it's in the same [TS]

00:20:43   house or apartment or business as the [TS]

00:20:45   computer so things like fires floods [TS]

00:20:47   theft malware that there are so many [TS]

00:20:49   risks that can happen and online backup [TS]

00:20:52   protects from so many of those it's such [TS]

00:20:54   great peace of mind to just have it [TS]

00:20:56   always be running it's automatic it's [TS]

00:20:58   always there backing up your files safe [TS]

00:20:59   and sound you don't have to remember to [TS]

00:21:01   do anything you don't do wait till [TS]

00:21:02   you're at home or wait to the computers [TS]

00:21:04   asleep or whatever else it's just always [TS]

00:21:06   running always keeping you safe [TS]

00:21:07   Backblaze is in my opinion I've tried [TS]

00:21:10   many of them backblaze is the best one [TS]

00:21:12   of these they can't pay me to say that [TS]

00:21:14   I'm telling you that because I believe [TS]

00:21:15   it it is my favorite one it's the one I [TS]

00:21:17   use the one I trust my family's data to [TS]

00:21:20   and all my business data to because [TS]

00:21:21   backblaze is great you have unlimited [TS]

00:21:23   space you just pay per computer five [TS]

00:21:26   bucks a month for unlimited space per [TS]

00:21:28   computer my wife has a computer I have a [TS]

00:21:30   computer so we pay him ten bucks a month [TS]

00:21:31   I think we have like six or seven [TS]

00:21:33   terabytes in there we have some obscene [TS]

00:21:35   amount of storage in there because it's [TS]

00:21:37   unlimited you just pay per computer and [TS]

00:21:39   it backed up anything connected to that [TS]

00:21:41   computer it's wonderful and they have [TS]

00:21:43   great features like a mobile apps you [TS]

00:21:45   can restore files right onto your phone [TS]

00:21:47   or tablet iOS and Android so if you like [TS]

00:21:50   want to get a file off your home [TS]

00:21:51   computer if you're traveling or whatever [TS]

00:21:53   else you can get it through Backblaze [TS]

00:21:54   they also have very easy restores you [TS]

00:21:57   can go online for restores you can also [TS]

00:21:58   have a hard drive over enter to you via [TS]

00:22:00   FedEx and if you send it back within 30 [TS]

00:22:02   days you get a refund it's they have [TS]

00:22:04   such great options their client is [TS]

00:22:07   amazing fully native code not nothing [TS]

00:22:09   with Java or anything like that [TS]

00:22:10   fully native code and it's fast and it [TS]

00:22:12   does not choke when you have tons and [TS]

00:22:14   tons of files like I do I love Backblaze [TS]

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00:22:32   thank you very much to back please [TS]

00:22:33   respond during our show ah tell me John [TS]

00:22:38   about the even naked a robotic core has [TS]

00:22:42   they do put this in your business [TS]

00:22:42   another apple patent thing and it [TS]

00:22:44   doesn't involve patent hands which is [TS]

00:22:46   the main thing I enjoy patents for um [TS]

00:22:48   apple patents everything and every time [TS]

00:22:51   someone comes out with an apple apple [TS]

00:22:53   patent is published the sites post it [TS]

00:22:55   and say look at this thing that Apple [TS]

00:22:58   patented and at least at this point most [TS]

00:22:59   sites don't say maybe this is coming [TS]

00:23:01   soon they just a look apple patents [TS]

00:23:02   everything but I think this one is it [TS]

00:23:07   goes to show all ideas are on the table [TS]

00:23:09   when it comes to patenting things this [TS]

00:23:11   is you can see it from the little [TS]

00:23:13   picture here it's like a laptop but [TS]

00:23:16   imagine that where the trackpad is some [TS]

00:23:18   someone took a router and router doubt [TS]

00:23:21   the trackpad you can't even do this on [TS]

00:23:23   modern laptops or too thin but router it [TS]

00:23:24   out the trackpad to the thickness and [TS]

00:23:26   shape of a phone and instead of the [TS]

00:23:29   trackpad dropped an iphone into there [TS]

00:23:31   and the idea is this would light be like [TS]

00:23:34   giving your iPhone a bigger screen and a [TS]

00:23:36   physical keyboard and then the iphone [TS]

00:23:38   would really become a glass trackpad for [TS]

00:23:40   the whole rest of the device so sort of [TS]

00:23:41   turning your phone into a laptop an even [TS]

00:23:44   more bizarre way than turning your ipad [TS]

00:23:46   into a laptop and in some respects this [TS]

00:23:50   doesn't strike me as entirely ridiculous [TS]

00:23:53   the reasons this is related to make a [TS]

00:23:55   robotic or it's like look we'll give you [TS]

00:23:56   the little skinny computing core and [TS]

00:23:57   whatever you want to put around it is [TS]

00:23:59   fine if you want to put a 13 inch screen [TS]

00:24:01   in a physical keyboard around it sure go [TS]

00:24:03   for it because the iphone is plenty fast [TS]

00:24:05   and the current top of my iphone i [TS]

00:24:07   believe is currently faster than the [TS]

00:24:09   macbook right in single-threaded anyway [TS]

00:24:12   probably in certain thing yeah it's ram [TS]

00:24:14   starved compared to the macbook but oh [TS]

00:24:16   it's got half i guess this does the [TS]

00:24:19   macbook have the macbook one have four [TS]

00:24:20   gigs it has eight all right well so it's [TS]

00:24:23   still ram star putting [TS]

00:24:24   this idea that eventually phones have [TS]

00:24:27   become powerful enough to do basic [TS]

00:24:28   computing tasks and you can just carry [TS]

00:24:30   the phone around with you and if you [TS]

00:24:31   ever want a laptop all you would do is [TS]

00:24:32   snap your little nacre about a car phone [TS]

00:24:35   into a lap shop top shape thing and then [TS]

00:24:38   sit down and you know do a bunch of [TS]

00:24:40   writing or bang out some email or do web [TS]

00:24:42   browsing on a larger screen and then [TS]

00:24:43   when you're done yank your phone out of [TS]

00:24:45   the little router channel and snapshot [TS]

00:24:47   the the now lifeless corpse of a laptop [TS]

00:24:50   that's probably a bad name for this [TS]

00:24:51   product corpse and then go on your way [TS]

00:24:56   with your phone I think that's actually [TS]

00:24:58   kind of neat the problem of course being [TS]

00:25:00   that I believe apples laptops are now [TS]

00:25:02   thinner than their phones at that part [TS]

00:25:03   especially the macbook one so I'm [TS]

00:25:05   probably not going to happen it's just a [TS]

00:25:06   silly patent but I like thinking about [TS]

00:25:08   stuff like this also I don't know if I [TS]

00:25:10   mean this this probably could change but [TS]

00:25:12   if you feel if you put your iPhone next [TS]

00:25:15   to your trackpad and you feel them both [TS]

00:25:16   the trackpad has a more slippery finish [TS]

00:25:20   because you're moving all over a lot [TS]

00:25:21   more often whereas the glass on a phone [TS]

00:25:23   is a little bit more of a tacky higher [TS]

00:25:26   friction finish your complaining by the [TS]

00:25:28   thumb friction again yeah and I'm not [TS]

00:25:31   entirely sure that you could make a [TS]

00:25:33   surface that would feel good on both of [TS]

00:25:35   those you make the back of the phone the [TS]

00:25:39   capacitive touch well they want to just [TS]

00:25:41   put the phone to the side of the laptop [TS]

00:25:42   like an optical drive way well yeah one [TS]

00:25:44   thing they don't answer in this diagram [TS]

00:25:45   I didn't read the patent medicine is [TS]

00:25:47   like how how the phone would make a [TS]

00:25:49   connection to the corpse she'll like [TS]

00:25:51   because if it goes straight down in you [TS]

00:25:53   can't you can't have the like does [TS]

00:25:56   something come out and go into the [TS]

00:25:57   Lightning connector a little mechanical [TS]

00:25:59   thing it doesn't really make much sense [TS]

00:26:01   than me but it could be like an NES reap [TS]

00:26:03   you slide it in first and you push it [TS]

00:26:04   down yeah then you have gaps Johnny I [TS]

00:26:07   would have to want to be like seamless [TS]

00:26:09   we're just you know well then you gotta [TS]

00:26:10   like take it out blow on it put it back [TS]

00:26:12   in the power light blinks I'll blow it [TS]

00:26:13   again don't blow it's bad for your carts [TS]

00:26:16   um did you ever see a thing with the [TS]

00:26:17   most like electrostatic cutting of metal [TS]

00:26:20   where they will take a block of metal [TS]

00:26:22   like a solid cube of metal and cut out [TS]

00:26:25   like a cylinder shape in the middle of [TS]

00:26:26   it and do it with such precision and [TS]

00:26:28   with such a small gap that if you take [TS]

00:26:31   the cylinder and put it into the hole [TS]

00:26:32   like you take them apart oh yeah yeah [TS]

00:26:34   you take the cylinder and put into the [TS]

00:26:36   hole it's [TS]

00:26:38   Olli slides down because like the [TS]

00:26:39   world's tightest fit and when it finally [TS]

00:26:41   slides down all the way you can't even [TS]

00:26:43   see the line around it I love that stuff [TS]

00:26:45   all right wow we did well on follow-up [TS]

00:26:48   look at us mostly because we moved half [TS]

00:26:50   of this room follow-up to topics but [TS]

00:26:52   still move the waffles down because now [TS]

00:26:53   we're gonna yeah it's kind of cheating [TS]

00:26:55   that's right oh well I mean I don't know [TS]

00:26:57   they I could have seen waffles go either [TS]

00:26:58   way but you wanted to go lower that's [TS]

00:27:00   fine because because technically [TS]

00:27:02   speaking is in this never-ending chain [TS]

00:27:04   of Marcos laptop orders if it is [TS]

00:27:06   eternally follow-up it just it just [TS]

00:27:08   feels like he's he's like doing a combo [TS]

00:27:10   chain and a fighting game that's going [TS]

00:27:11   on Wayde point yeah anyone wanted to the [TS]

00:27:16   combo breaker noise that maybe regret [TS]

00:27:18   anyway certain point you do a combo [TS]

00:27:20   breaker that's what we're doing here mar [TS]

00:27:22   no he's in the topic area talking about [TS]

00:27:24   his delicious delicious waffles indeed [TS]

00:27:27   so Marco tell us about those waffles of [TS]

00:27:29   years all right yes the last episode I [TS]

00:27:31   described my waffling where I finally [TS]

00:27:34   decided that I didn't I really didn't [TS]

00:27:36   like the 15 inch touch bar macbook pro [TS]

00:27:38   and I was ordering a 13-inch macbook [TS]

00:27:42   escape to replace it which fills our [TS]

00:27:44   you're not familiar with my stupid names [TS]

00:27:46   for things is the low-end macbook pro [TS]

00:27:48   13-inch that does not have the touch bar [TS]

00:27:50   that has the real Hardware escape button [TS]

00:27:53   among other things don't apologize for [TS]

00:27:54   your names they're not stupid they're [TS]

00:27:56   better than apples names yeah that's [TS]

00:27:57   right it's true the name of this Pro is [TS]

00:27:59   it the reason I I came up with these [TS]

00:28:01   stupid names is because apples names [TS]

00:28:03   aren't useful like when they first [TS]

00:28:04   introduced the 12-inch MacBook and they [TS]

00:28:07   said this is the macbooks like well okay [TS]

00:28:08   there was already something called [TS]

00:28:10   macbook that everyone knew and [TS]

00:28:11   everything else is called macbook pro [TS]

00:28:12   and people kind of use the word macbook [TS]

00:28:14   to describe the whole lineup and yeah so [TS]

00:28:16   now they have this 13-inch MacBook Pro [TS]

00:28:18   which is quite different from the other [TS]

00:28:20   computer name 13-inch macbook pro so [TS]

00:28:22   anyway so I now have it I got it a few [TS]

00:28:27   days ago I want to reserve final [TS]

00:28:29   judgement for when I've had a chance to [TS]

00:28:32   travel with it and it's fortunately [TS]

00:28:33   happening in like a week because I [TS]

00:28:35   haven't really tried pushing it yet like [TS]

00:28:38   I haven't tried travel with it yet and I [TS]

00:28:39   haven't really pushed its hardware yet [TS]

00:28:41   although the photo analysis d is doing [TS]

00:28:45   its job for who knows the next month I [TS]

00:28:48   have no idea when I will complete [TS]

00:28:50   because there's no progress meter know [TS]

00:28:51   deposit or suspend it or tell what to do [TS]

00:28:54   or tell to please not analyze all the [TS]

00:28:55   photos right now you know is real i sit [TS]

00:28:58   oh you know I didn't think well I think [TS]

00:29:00   it's already running in like a fairly [TS]

00:29:02   low priority environment I know what the [TS]

00:29:04   lowest number is anyone know a little [TS]

00:29:08   bit will never complete is better you [TS]

00:29:09   want you ready to do the you know the [TS]

00:29:12   race to sleep thing let it hurry up and [TS]

00:29:13   finish yeah so at some point that will [TS]

00:29:16   calm down probably hopefully before i [TS]

00:29:18   leave for my trip but anyway from just [TS]

00:29:21   the experience of using it for a few [TS]

00:29:23   days from setting up on my software on [TS]

00:29:25   it and we'll get to one of the details [TS]

00:29:26   that in a little bit i think but just [TS]

00:29:28   from the experience of like setting it [TS]

00:29:30   up and using it that way for a while and [TS]

00:29:32   and doing a few nights of kind of casual [TS]

00:29:35   stuff on it like browsing the web and [TS]

00:29:37   getting you know light work done like [TS]

00:29:39   email and stuff so far i love it i [TS]

00:29:43   absolutely love it and i never felt that [TS]

00:29:47   way about the 15-inch like the 15-inch I [TS]

00:29:49   love the 15-inch retina and that when I [TS]

00:29:51   came out in 2012 I immediately loved it [TS]

00:29:54   that that machine was awesome for its [TS]

00:29:57   time still today is pretty awesome but [TS]

00:30:01   when when the 15 touch bar when I first [TS]

00:30:03   got it I never loved it I was I was just [TS]

00:30:06   kind of thrown by all the different [TS]

00:30:08   compromises and kind of sideways and [TS]

00:30:10   backwards steps from the previous one [TS]

00:30:12   this is basically a macbook air but a [TS]

00:30:17   modern-day interpretation of it in many [TS]

00:30:19   ways you know it's the same weight I [TS]

00:30:21   mean so is the other 13 inch with touch [TS]

00:30:22   bar same way a little bit smaller modern [TS]

00:30:25   you know modern case design same Intel [TS]

00:30:27   processor family which has those awesome [TS]

00:30:29   like 16 or 15 watt ish processors which [TS]

00:30:33   I've said before on this show are an [TS]

00:30:36   amazing balance of speed versus [TS]

00:30:39   portability like there it's a really [TS]

00:30:41   nice sweet spot and I'm really glad [TS]

00:30:43   they're they're using these still [TS]

00:30:44   because those are previous previously [TS]

00:30:47   only using the macbook air and the low [TS]

00:30:48   end mac mini and i think even the [TS]

00:30:50   cheapest 20 22 HR 24-inch imac that [TS]

00:30:55   education buyers by anyway so far i [TS]

00:30:58   absolutely love it the keyboard is the [TS]

00:31:02   same as all the new keyboards you know i [TS]

00:31:03   don't love the low key [TS]

00:31:06   travel I don't love how closely spaced [TS]

00:31:08   all the keys are which makes me make a [TS]

00:31:09   few more mistakes than I usually do the [TS]

00:31:13   force touch trackpad is among force [TS]

00:31:16   touch trackpads i have used i think it's [TS]

00:31:18   probably the best one I still don't love [TS]

00:31:21   for stocks track pads but this is the [TS]

00:31:24   best one I've used thermally I think [TS]

00:31:27   it's really nicely balanced it stays [TS]

00:31:28   very cool and you hardly ever hear the [TS]

00:31:31   fan no matter how hard it's working when [TS]

00:31:33   it totally maxed out you will hear the [TS]

00:31:35   fan but even then it's pretty quiet it [TS]

00:31:36   doesn't get very hot to the touch this [TS]

00:31:38   is this is one thing I notice with all [TS]

00:31:39   the new macbook pros compare when you [TS]

00:31:41   compared to the previous generation you [TS]

00:31:43   know the the the retina generation with [TS]

00:31:46   the you know has well and when you [TS]

00:31:48   compare this the new skylake ones to [TS]

00:31:50   those one thing you notice immediately [TS]

00:31:52   I'm actually confirm this with Intel's [TS]

00:31:54   power gadget thing or power which [TS]

00:31:56   whatever they call it cpus even when [TS]

00:31:58   they're under load these new skylake [TS]

00:31:59   processors don't usually hit their [TS]

00:32:01   maximum thermal limits whereas the old [TS]

00:32:03   ones would kind of like hit that like 45 [TS]

00:32:06   watt or whatever they would like hit [TS]

00:32:07   that wall and just kind of stay there [TS]

00:32:09   the skylight kind of peeks at it here [TS]

00:32:11   and there but it doesn't really stay at [TS]

00:32:12   that maximum wattage for whatever reason [TS]

00:32:14   and so when you're doing intensive [TS]

00:32:17   things these new macbook pros are cooler [TS]

00:32:20   to the touch and quieter than the [TS]

00:32:21   previous generation and this one is no [TS]

00:32:23   exception of that it's very cool very [TS]

00:32:25   quiet I that to me is very very nice one [TS]

00:32:28   other major advantage to it compared to [TS]

00:32:31   the 15 is that because it doesn't have [TS]

00:32:34   that discrete GPU I don't have to like [TS]

00:32:37   babysit whether it's using that GPU by [TS]

00:32:41   any programs or not when I'm trying to [TS]

00:32:42   maximize battery life because that's the [TS]

00:32:44   thing with the 15 is like when the 15 is [TS]

00:32:47   using that discrete GPU your battery [TS]

00:32:48   life gets slaughtered so you kind of if [TS]

00:32:50   you're like a power user trying to like [TS]

00:32:52   make sure you get the most battery life [TS]

00:32:53   out of it you kind of have to always be [TS]

00:32:55   monitoring with some kind of utility or [TS]

00:32:56   something like whether the whether the [TS]

00:32:57   discrete GPUs on or not and you kind of [TS]

00:32:59   have to babysit it and and maybe like [TS]

00:33:02   make different app decisions like oh my [TS]

00:33:03   guess guess I can't run chrome right now [TS]

00:33:05   I don't have enough power or whatever [TS]

00:33:06   you know whatever the case may be this [TS]

00:33:08   one by not having a discrete GPU it kind [TS]

00:33:11   of keeps like the the difference between [TS]

00:33:12   like the the high thermal envelope and [TS]

00:33:15   the low thermal envelope is a smaller [TS]

00:33:18   range so you can you can [TS]

00:33:20   you can worry less about battery life [TS]

00:33:22   with this so far now again I might model [TS]

00:33:24   for that decision once I have a chance [TS]

00:33:25   to travel with it but so far this is [TS]

00:33:29   awesome now also about the touch bar and [TS]

00:33:32   touch ID so I had the touch bar touch ID [TS]

00:33:35   for a little while for minam five months [TS]

00:33:37   or whatever it's been I now don't have [TS]

00:33:39   them anymore I don't miss the touch bar [TS]

00:33:43   at all the very first time I wanted to [TS]

00:33:46   adjust brightness and I had to like hit [TS]

00:33:47   a button a few times instead of sliding [TS]

00:33:48   a thing I thought oh I kind of missed [TS]

00:33:51   the slider thing then I immediately [TS]

00:33:52   stopped I amelie forgot about it don't [TS]

00:33:55   miss the tux bar at all touch ID I I [TS]

00:33:58   thought I would miss a lot in practice I [TS]

00:34:02   do miss touch ID but I don't miss it as [TS]

00:34:04   much as I thought I would because in [TS]

00:34:07   practice touch ID on on the 15 Inchon [TS]

00:34:09   and the 13 touch bar is not always there [TS]

00:34:12   when you want it and this is probably [TS]

00:34:14   going to improve over time I hope but [TS]

00:34:16   there's a lot of system dialogues and [TS]

00:34:18   things where they ask where you need to [TS]

00:34:20   give it your password that touch idea is [TS]

00:34:23   is offered for maybe a third of them [TS]

00:34:25   that I've seen and not all of them and [TS]

00:34:27   so you actually aren't using it all the [TS]

00:34:30   time so I found that it is nice when [TS]

00:34:34   it's offered to you but that it because [TS]

00:34:38   it's offered so in consistently and [TS]

00:34:40   sometimes there's a few bugs we are in [TS]

00:34:42   touch with you especially at the login [TS]

00:34:43   screen when you're waking it up from [TS]

00:34:44   sleep I find overall that I actually [TS]

00:34:47   don't miss it as much as I expected I [TS]

00:34:50   would because in practice while it [TS]

00:34:53   sounds like it's going to be amazing [TS]

00:34:54   once you have it in practice you realize [TS]

00:34:56   yeah it's not quite there yet so this is [TS]

00:34:59   another thing we're like along with the [TS]

00:35:01   touch bar I think this would probably be [TS]

00:35:04   good in a few years or at least better [TS]

00:35:07   in a few years but for this current [TS]

00:35:10   laptop generation if you choose not to [TS]

00:35:12   get the touch bar I don't think you're [TS]

00:35:14   missing that much because touch ID is [TS]

00:35:17   still not all the way there yet and the [TS]

00:35:19   touch bar itself I i think is still a [TS]

00:35:22   big question mark about whether it's [TS]

00:35:25   really a net win or not and for me for [TS]

00:35:29   my usage personally at my preferences [TS]

00:35:31   your mileage may vary but for my [TS]

00:35:33   usage in preferences I'm very happy [TS]

00:35:36   without it I like having my Hardware [TS]

00:35:38   Escape key back I like having all the [TS]

00:35:40   buttons up top that are just buttons and [TS]

00:35:42   they just work all the time I love not [TS]

00:35:45   not accidentally brushing it when I'm [TS]

00:35:46   moving my hands around and accidentally [TS]

00:35:49   like turning the brightness way up or [TS]

00:35:50   turn the speaker waiting or something [TS]

00:35:51   like it is nice too it's also just nice [TS]

00:35:54   to have a kind of I know this is weird [TS]

00:35:57   but it's kind of like a simpler look [TS]

00:35:58   like the touch bari is actually kind of [TS]

00:36:00   distracting and it looks kind of [TS]

00:36:02   gimmicky and so to have a nice simpler [TS]

00:36:06   like more pure look if that makes sense [TS]

00:36:08   is a little bit more I don't know [TS]

00:36:11   peaceful it's hard it's hard to really [TS]

00:36:12   quantify these feelings but overall I'm [TS]

00:36:15   actually quite happy not having a touch [TS]

00:36:18   bar and this machine in general I'm [TS]

00:36:22   extremely happy with the only things i [TS]

00:36:25   can say that that are downsides to it [TS]

00:36:27   are what i mentioned last week which is [TS]

00:36:29   the price is really not a great value [TS]

00:36:33   for what you're getting although it i [TS]

00:36:34   guess you know how much is your [TS]

00:36:35   happiness worth but you know like if you [TS]

00:36:37   look at like specs but by the specs but [TS]

00:36:39   and the power and when you compare it to [TS]

00:36:42   the previous generation of macbook air [TS]

00:36:44   which is still for sale because apple [TS]

00:36:46   it's not a great value it is a lot more [TS]

00:36:49   expensive than it was before and the [TS]

00:36:51   configuration i got which is basically [TS]

00:36:53   everything maxed out except for the i [TS]

00:36:55   got 5 12 months of a terabyte is [TS]

00:36:56   something like twenty two hundred [TS]

00:36:58   dollars and for something that is not a [TS]

00:37:00   15-inch that's a pretty high price that [TS]

00:37:03   being said i'm happier with it that my [TS]

00:37:05   15 inch so you know what does that say [TS]

00:37:07   the other thing is i remember when these [TS]

00:37:10   first came out we talked briefly in the [TS]

00:37:12   show there was there was a guy i forget [TS]

00:37:14   his name he's a youtuber that everyone [TS]

00:37:16   else knows except us because we're not [TS]

00:37:17   cool were too old to watch youtube I [TS]

00:37:19   guess but there was a youtuber who did a [TS]

00:37:21   bunch of tests we're plugging in certain [TS]

00:37:24   things to the USB seaports would make [TS]

00:37:27   the Wi-Fi cut out on the new macbook [TS]

00:37:29   pros and I think that was this model [TS]

00:37:31   that he was testing because I think that [TS]

00:37:33   was the only one was available at that [TS]

00:37:34   time I think I have a Wi-Fi problem in [TS]

00:37:38   that sometimes like as I was like [TS]

00:37:40   installing lots of stuff and like you [TS]

00:37:42   know downloading lots of stuff sometimes [TS]

00:37:44   all the internet connections would [TS]

00:37:47   just stop working and until until I [TS]

00:37:50   turned off the Wi-Fi and turned it back [TS]

00:37:52   on again that and that happened like [TS]

00:37:54   three times over a few days so I think I [TS]

00:37:57   have a problem and I and I hope it [TS]

00:37:59   doesn't apply to all of them and I'm not [TS]

00:38:01   sure that's enough of a problem to [TS]

00:38:02   actually like get this repair to replace [TS]

00:38:05   because I don't want to mess with that [TS]

00:38:06   everything else about it is perfect I [TS]

00:38:08   love everything else about it actually I [TS]

00:38:11   don't love the keyboard but relative [TS]

00:38:14   relative to what we have today you know [TS]

00:38:16   relative to our choices today this is [TS]

00:38:18   great but I'm a little concerned about [TS]

00:38:21   that Wi-Fi thing but otherwise if that [TS]

00:38:24   doesn't end up being a problem in [TS]

00:38:26   practice most of the time I would just [TS]

00:38:28   tolerate it because otherwise this [TS]

00:38:30   computer is awesome you know the 15-inch [TS]

00:38:33   is great if you're doing you know Casey [TS]

00:38:36   what you do which is you have like a [TS]

00:38:38   work a work laptop that you take to and [TS]

00:38:41   from work or that is like your primary [TS]

00:38:43   computer or your only computer if that's [TS]

00:38:46   your situation I think it does make [TS]

00:38:48   sense for a lot of people to use the [TS]

00:38:49   15-inch because it is the most computer [TS]

00:38:52   that you can get for a little over 2,000 [TS]

00:38:54   bucks it is a great you know power [TS]

00:38:58   system and its really nice in a lot of [TS]

00:39:01   ways and I used one for years and and I [TS]

00:39:03   I that's there's a reason why I have [TS]

00:39:06   waffled over time between the 13 inch [TS]

00:39:09   and 15 inch size classes because they're [TS]

00:39:11   both great but for me right now as a [TS]

00:39:13   secondary computer that i use when [TS]

00:39:15   traveling right now i'm really happy [TS]

00:39:18   with this 13 inch and you know you could [TS]

00:39:20   point this clip and laugh in four months [TS]

00:39:23   or six months when i change my mind and [TS]

00:39:24   say I got to go back to the 15-inch this [TS]

00:39:26   is not enough power or screen face [TS]

00:39:27   whatever that's being generous it's [TS]

00:39:29   gonna be four weeks well took for like [TS]

00:39:31   five months on this one but anyway so [TS]

00:39:34   you know I might change my mind later I [TS]

00:39:35   probably will that's just what i do i [TS]

00:39:36   guess a vertex podcasters like they'll [TS]

00:39:39   like try android phones for a month i do [TS]

00:39:41   this i guess this is my thing but right [TS]

00:39:44   now i'm extremely happy with this [TS]

00:39:45   13-inch macbook pro with no good name [TS]

00:39:47   and yeah that's my review so far ask me [TS]

00:39:51   again after i travel with it and try to [TS]

00:39:53   actually do work on it but so far i'm [TS]

00:39:55   very happy with it so that why if I [TS]

00:39:57   think has me worried me too I don't like [TS]

00:40:00   that [TS]

00:40:00   especially if I can't attribute a reason [TS]

00:40:02   do you have 10 12 for on it yeah a 10-12 [TS]

00:40:05   for from from minute one it didn't come [TS]

00:40:07   with it but I upgrade that was the first [TS]

00:40:08   thing I did when I got it and when when [TS]

00:40:10   the wife I dropped it was not plugged [TS]

00:40:12   into anything yeah so that is concerning [TS]

00:40:16   the fact that this computer has now been [TS]

00:40:18   out for six months and that is still [TS]

00:40:19   happening suggests to me that this is a [TS]

00:40:22   parent flaw with the design of this [TS]

00:40:24   model that they're not going to fix [TS]

00:40:26   until the next model comes out if you [TS]

00:40:28   think it's a hardware thing then [TS]

00:40:29   probably yeah but we will see I don't [TS]

00:40:33   like this kind of problems I don't like [TS]

00:40:34   them at all well that's why you don't [TS]

00:40:35   buy any computers ever that's very true [TS]

00:40:37   my computer has no Wi-Fi problems [TS]

00:40:38   because it doesn't have Wi-Fi nailed it [TS]

00:40:41   it's as it so happens the the 2008 Mac [TS]

00:40:45   Pro that you have that I used to have is [TS]

00:40:48   probably the computer i have had that [TS]

00:40:50   had the fewest problems ever of any [TS]

00:40:52   computer i've ever had so you happen to [TS]

00:40:54   lock out with that one but i think [TS]

00:40:55   anything else you buy are gonna be [TS]

00:40:56   disappointed say I mean so far the [TS]

00:40:59   fingers crossed 5k imac is doing its [TS]

00:41:02   thing without complaint oh my image [TS]

00:41:03   retention is getting really bad really [TS]

00:41:05   fast it's good bet every time I do [TS]

00:41:07   anything great way if i open up logic or [TS]

00:41:10   if I view daring fireball I just see the [TS]

00:41:12   immense shadows of everything that i was [TS]

00:41:14   viewing before right me playing zelda [TS]

00:41:17   seeing those heart shadows yeah it's [TS]

00:41:19   it's bad you know what i did marco to [TS]

00:41:21   help fix that I'm really not trying to [TS]

00:41:23   be snarky is you know that what is it [TS]

00:41:25   Ariel screensaver that we've all I think [TS]

00:41:28   mentioned at some point the ones the [TS]

00:41:29   appletv one yeah yeah exactly Ariel is [TS]

00:41:32   the name of the screensaver what I've [TS]

00:41:34   done is I've put that on my 5k which [TS]

00:41:37   I've occasionally seen some image [TS]

00:41:38   retention that it's made me very unhappy [TS]

00:41:40   I've put I've set my mac to run that [TS]

00:41:43   screen saver for like an hour or two [TS]

00:41:45   after i'm done with the computer so that [TS]

00:41:48   you have something that is constantly [TS]

00:41:49   moving and kind of getting me back to a [TS]

00:41:52   known good state for all I know this is [TS]

00:41:53   a darn placebo but as far as I can tell [TS]

00:41:55   it has made my image retention way way [TS]

00:41:58   way better want to try getting a scream [TS]

00:41:59   with some technology that doesn't suffer [TS]

00:42:01   from image retention what you said to me [TS]

00:42:05   last time I complained about my plasma [TS]

00:42:07   as you both complain about your lcds [TS]

00:42:10   with image a good thing oh that doesn't [TS]

00:42:12   have these problems oh wait it does [TS]

00:42:14   I mean in case like that year that would [TS]

00:42:16   actually help my problem because my [TS]

00:42:17   problem is not like I walked away for 10 [TS]

00:42:20   minutes it's like as I'm using it like I [TS]

00:42:22   happen to have this one window open for [TS]

00:42:24   an hour as I was working in it and that [TS]

00:42:25   was like it's getting in you know an [TS]

00:42:30   image trenchant it's the kind of thing [TS]

00:42:31   we're like you know sometimes you have [TS]

00:42:32   it like right at the beginning but [TS]

00:42:33   usually like you know when the things [TS]

00:42:35   brand new it doesn't have it and then if [TS]

00:42:37   you're going to give it to me a problem [TS]

00:42:39   like you won't notice it for a while and [TS]

00:42:40   then all of a sudden they'll start being [TS]

00:42:43   noticeable and then it gets it gets [TS]

00:42:44   worse usually at an accelerating rate [TS]

00:42:47   after that point someone someone who [TS]

00:42:49   knows more about the chemistry and [TS]

00:42:51   electronics of lcds could probably tell [TS]

00:42:53   us why this is a factor in these modern [TS]

00:42:56   LG panels or whatever it is we're using [TS]

00:42:58   and why for example I'm staring at the [TS]

00:43:00   Apple 23 inch cinema display an aluminum [TS]

00:43:03   case with white sides that has no image [TS]

00:43:05   retention ever and it's like the lowly [TS]

00:43:07   the oldest thing ever like there must is [TS]

00:43:10   again it's not just like Oh LCD versus [TS]

00:43:11   plasma vs whatever it's the particular [TS]

00:43:13   screens and so maybe there's been [TS]

00:43:14   something about modern screens in the [TS]

00:43:17   way they're constructed and formulated [TS]

00:43:18   or maybe just buy a particular [TS]

00:43:20   manufacturers that makes them so much [TS]

00:43:22   more susceptible to image retention [TS]

00:43:23   under casual circumstances like again [TS]

00:43:25   we've all seen like they the check-in [TS]

00:43:27   kiosks at the airport that it is super [TS]

00:43:29   burned in so like at a certain point if [TS]

00:43:31   you show the same image on the screen 24 [TS]

00:43:33   hours a day seven days a week except for [TS]

00:43:34   brief periods of activity of course it's [TS]

00:43:36   going to happen but you're just using [TS]

00:43:38   your 5k imac it's pretty light usage [TS]

00:43:40   compared to an airport terminal you just [TS]

00:43:42   say like I have daring fireball open for [TS]

00:43:43   a second then I click to another window [TS]

00:43:45   to go in front of it and I see the [TS]

00:43:46   little star embedded in the window or [TS]

00:43:48   vice versa seeing no it's the opposite [TS]

00:43:50   it's like when you have a bunch of black [TS]

00:43:51   and white windows up and then you load [TS]

00:43:53   something great like daring fireball or [TS]

00:43:54   logic then you see shadows of every of [TS]

00:43:57   all those black and white borders that [TS]

00:43:59   were previously there yeah so and it's [TS]

00:44:01   it's sticking around long or NASA to [TS]

00:44:03   before to like I an entire podcast today [TS]

00:44:06   like I edited under the radar today [TS]

00:44:09   which this middle he doesn't take me [TS]

00:44:10   that long take like 10 minutes to edit [TS]

00:44:11   but like that entire ten-minute I had a [TS]

00:44:12   shadow of the window behind it yeah not [TS]

00:44:15   not going away that's the other thing by [TS]

00:44:17   the by like my plasma obviously it's [TS]

00:44:18   worse on my plasma because when it does [TS]

00:44:19   get there you're going to be waiting [TS]

00:44:20   like a year for it to be an entirely [TS]

00:44:22   gone whereas image retention like my [TS]

00:44:24   ipad3 had pretty bad image [TS]

00:44:26   too but as bad as it was and you could [TS]

00:44:29   see it it was like three to five minutes [TS]

00:44:31   and it would be a hundred percent gone [TS]

00:44:32   and so that's prepara likes me feel like [TS]

00:44:35   oh it's an annoyance but but it's not [TS]

00:44:37   like I have to wait a year for this to [TS]

00:44:39   go away but anyway they didn't Apple do [TS]

00:44:41   a recall replace for Aaron's retention I [TS]

00:44:43   think it was on the original retina [TS]

00:44:45   15-inch macbook pro right there were [TS]

00:44:48   certain i think it was certain ones but [TS]

00:44:50   mine wasn't even part of that like I had [TS]

00:44:52   that original one it did have it much [TS]

00:44:53   attention and I eventually got it fixed [TS]

00:44:55   but it took a long time yeah one thing [TS]

00:44:57   before before I forget on the macbook [TS]

00:45:00   escape screen it is a beautiful screen I [TS]

00:45:04   absolutely love it and this is actually [TS]

00:45:06   so you know as I'm setting everything up [TS]

00:45:08   new one of the things I did you know I [TS]

00:45:10   usually pick pick a background that's [TS]

00:45:12   some photo i took recently that i like [TS]

00:45:14   and the photo i picked for this one [TS]

00:45:15   includes my son wearing a like really [TS]

00:45:18   bright saturated orange jacket and i [TS]

00:45:22   think this is the the the p3 color gamut [TS]

00:45:25   helped me out here because this this [TS]

00:45:26   very saturated orange color just looks [TS]

00:45:29   incredible on the screen it's this is [TS]

00:45:32   the first screen I've ever seen that [TS]

00:45:34   makes my first gen 5k I max screen look [TS]

00:45:39   less good by comparison every other [TS]

00:45:41   previous retina laptop looked worse to [TS]

00:45:44   me this one looks awesome now that being [TS]

00:45:46   said the same thing probably applies to [TS]

00:45:48   the 15-inch I'd use a different picture [TS]

00:45:50   for the wallpaper on that one so the [TS]

00:45:51   same thing probably applies to the new [TS]

00:45:53   15 but just to point out even on this [TS]

00:45:56   one which is basically the new macbook [TS]

00:45:58   air the previous macbook air used a crap [TS]

00:46:00   screen to save costs and space and [TS]

00:46:02   whatever else the macbook escaped today [TS]

00:46:05   is amazing it is an awesome screen and [TS]

00:46:08   to have that on what is you know the [TS]

00:46:11   low-end model even though it's still not [TS]

00:46:14   a good value but it is in the lineup it [TS]

00:46:16   is the low end model to have that is [TS]

00:46:19   really really nice and I'm extremely [TS]

00:46:21   happy I can't I can't overstate how [TS]

00:46:24   happy I am right now with this purchase [TS]

00:46:26   even other Wi-Fi doesn't always work [TS]

00:46:27   apparently so as someone who is [TS]

00:46:31   considering getting a macbook one which [TS]

00:46:35   as far as i know is a macbook adorable [TS]

00:46:37   right somebody put in the Shoney's [TS]

00:46:38   macbook [TS]

00:46:39   versatile dress that after you okay you [TS]

00:46:41   will get you freaking me out here [TS]

00:46:42   because I always use them [TS]

00:46:43   interchangeably and I got nervous that I [TS]

00:46:45   had misunderstood so anyway so as [TS]

00:46:47   someone who's considering a macbook [TS]

00:46:48   adorable / macbook one what remind me [TS]

00:46:52   again what it was that brought you to [TS]

00:46:54   this instead of a macbook one obviously [TS]

00:46:58   power but what else was it it was when I [TS]

00:47:01   when I put them both side by side in the [TS]

00:47:03   apple store on the table and I played [TS]

00:47:04   with them for a while I went on a [TS]

00:47:06   weekday were nobody was there but when I [TS]

00:47:08   when I had some time with both side by [TS]

00:47:10   side and also thinking back to when I [TS]

00:47:13   did briefly by a 12-inch MacBook one [TS]

00:47:16   basically the the main difference to me [TS]

00:47:19   is just the way they feel the ergonomics [TS]

00:47:21   of using them that the the 12 inch size [TS]

00:47:25   is really small and in certain ways that [TS]

00:47:28   actually makes it less comfortable for [TS]

00:47:30   me at least and again your mileage may [TS]

00:47:31   vary but for me the general operation of [TS]

00:47:35   it like where to place your hands [TS]

00:47:36   opening and closing it all these things [TS]

00:47:38   like it was pleasant and at how small [TS]

00:47:40   and light it was but when you actually [TS]

00:47:41   when it came time to act like you know [TS]

00:47:43   put it down open it up use it type on it [TS]

00:47:45   put it in your lap I found the 13 inch [TS]

00:47:47   size worked better for me and was more [TS]

00:47:49   comfortable I also found a dramatic [TS]

00:47:51   difference in the trackpad click it was [TS]

00:47:54   that's a huge if you put a side-by-side [TS]

00:47:56   do it in a store put them side-by-side [TS]

00:47:58   the trackpad difference is extremely [TS]

00:48:01   noticeable and there is still a keyboard [TS]

00:48:03   difference as well I don't know how long [TS]

00:48:05   the keyboard difference will be there [TS]

00:48:06   I'm assuming that the next macbook 12 [TS]

00:48:08   inch update will will bring the keyboard [TS]

00:48:10   parity there but right now there's still [TS]

00:48:13   a keyboard difference and and it's not a [TS]

00:48:16   massive difference but the 13-inch is [TS]

00:48:19   just better and so in in in all those [TS]

00:48:22   ways you know the the physical [TS]

00:48:24   ergonomics 13-inch is you know fifty [TS]

00:48:27   percent heavier like it is noticeable [TS]

00:48:30   how much heavier it is then the 12 inch [TS]

00:48:32   but it's still a really small it's it's [TS]

00:48:34   a 13-inch MacBook Air you know in weight [TS]

00:48:36   it's still a really thin and light [TS]

00:48:38   computer it is still really compact it [TS]

00:48:42   it does perform better but I don't think [TS]

00:48:44   the performance difference is that big [TS]

00:48:46   it does have two USB seaports instead of [TS]

00:48:50   one [TS]

00:48:51   that's still not a lot but two is better [TS]

00:48:53   than one that and that there is there [TS]

00:48:55   going to be situations in which I'm [TS]

00:48:57   gonna be really happy I have that second [TS]

00:48:59   port and I and that having the one would [TS]

00:49:00   have been a pain I do think the screen [TS]

00:49:03   is higher quality I have not lived up to [TS]

00:49:05   see if anything backs us up or if this [TS]

00:49:07   is just placebo but I think the screen [TS]

00:49:08   is higher quality than 13 the end in [TS]

00:49:12   various like size classes of things we [TS]

00:49:15   use you can look at the ipad line for [TS]

00:49:18   instance and the reaction for most [TS]

00:49:20   people myself included is that when we [TS]

00:49:23   picked up that 12-inch 12-point ipad pro [TS]

00:49:26   when you're using it as a laptop that's [TS]

00:49:28   cool but when you when you have to like [TS]

00:49:29   pick it up and hold your hand as an ipad [TS]

00:49:31   that's a little bit too big for most [TS]

00:49:33   people similarly when you pick up the [TS]

00:49:36   ipad mini that's fine for a lot of [TS]

00:49:38   people but but for a lot of people [TS]

00:49:39   that's like you know this is a little [TS]

00:49:41   small i like something a little bigger [TS]

00:49:42   and it turns out that 9.7 is a really [TS]

00:49:45   good size for a device that you use and [TS]

00:49:48   hold and carry like an ipad similarly [TS]

00:49:51   with phones you see like a lot of people [TS]

00:49:54   like they're really big ones but most [TS]

00:49:55   people stick with the medium sized ones [TS]

00:49:57   and the small ones are still very well [TS]

00:49:59   liked and so it seems like around the [TS]

00:50:01   size of the 4.7 inch iphone is probably [TS]

00:50:04   like the ideal size right now for phones [TS]

00:50:07   for most people and i think if you can [TS]

00:50:09   look at laptops and you see kind of a [TS]

00:50:12   similar thing is like all these things [TS]

00:50:13   all these perceptions of what's an ideal [TS]

00:50:15   size are general ated to like how big [TS]

00:50:17   are average people and how we know how [TS]

00:50:20   do you hold things how what do you carry [TS]

00:50:22   how do you carry it how do your hand how [TS]

00:50:24   are your hands shaped and where do they [TS]

00:50:25   go right and i think in the world of [TS]

00:50:28   laptops we had bigger ones in the past [TS]

00:50:31   we had like a 17 action that was that [TS]

00:50:33   was a massive aircraft carrier it was [TS]

00:50:35   awesome when you want when you were [TS]

00:50:37   using that giant screen but it was [TS]

00:50:39   really unwieldy to carry around and use [TS]

00:50:41   so that was kind of deemed by the market [TS]

00:50:43   and eventually by Apple you know what [TS]

00:50:45   that's that's too big and the 15 is now [TS]

00:50:49   the high-end and I think in the world of [TS]

00:50:52   laptops i would say 13-inch is really [TS]

00:50:56   the sweet spot of like this is the best [TS]

00:50:59   size for most people and I think sales [TS]

00:51:01   back that up because in the last you [TS]

00:51:03   know however many years then [TS]

00:51:04   that the macbook air has been a thing I [TS]

00:51:06   would guess the 13-inch macbook air was [TS]

00:51:08   apples number one selling computer for a [TS]

00:51:10   very long time it might still be because [TS]

00:51:12   education buys a ton of them third the [TS]

00:51:14   13-inch macbook air is an amazing [TS]

00:51:16   balance of size portability cost even [TS]

00:51:21   but you know just talking about physical [TS]

00:51:22   stuff only for a minute that's it's it's [TS]

00:51:25   a really great balance and this is just [TS]

00:51:28   the sequel to that right the the macbook [TS]

00:51:31   1 / adorable / 12 inch it is smaller and [TS]

00:51:35   lighter and if if your number one goal [TS]

00:51:39   is to be able to carry this with as [TS]

00:51:41   little weight as possible or like [TS]

00:51:44   underscores people to like actually wear [TS]

00:51:45   one in your jacket which is amazing like [TS]

00:51:48   if if your number one goal is get it as [TS]

00:51:51   small as possible then yeah go for that [TS]

00:51:53   one but if instead you're looking for [TS]

00:51:55   more of like a an all-arounder the best [TS]

00:51:59   laptop in general for most people most [TS]

00:52:01   of the time or the one that's most [TS]

00:52:03   comfortable to use most of the time I [TS]

00:52:05   would say the 13 inches the better [TS]

00:52:06   balance of that I would also say that [TS]

00:52:09   the screen size on a 13-inch is great [TS]

00:52:12   and that I'm I don't want a smaller [TS]

00:52:15   screen in this hmm fair enough all right [TS]

00:52:19   well I appreciate it I still feel like I [TS]

00:52:21   want me a macbook adorable but [TS]

00:52:23   everything you just said makes perfect [TS]

00:52:25   sense them it's just I think because I [TS]

00:52:27   want to basically have a ipad that you [TS]

00:52:30   can actually do things on hi Mike that's [TS]

00:52:33   why I want the adorable oh you're going [TS]

00:52:34   to hear about that I'm going to pay for [TS]

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00:54:08   with whoever put in the show notes [TS]

00:54:10   macbook 1 vs macbook adorable it touched [TS]

00:54:13   on it before I just wanted to bring it [TS]

00:54:14   back around some at this is these are [TS]

00:54:16   two names for the 12-inch MacBook that [TS]

00:54:19   Apple just calls Mac book that has one [TS]

00:54:21   USBC port / power plug on the side and [TS]

00:54:26   another name that it is known by again [TS]

00:54:28   big the reason people make up these [TS]

00:54:30   names is not just to be cute but also [TS]

00:54:32   because we need something to distinguish [TS]

00:54:34   it because macbook is not you know [TS]

00:54:36   unique enough is macbook adorable that's [TS]

00:54:40   a name invented by another podcast where [TS]

00:54:42   they talk about sneakers and plane [TS]

00:54:45   crashes as far as I'm not a tech podcast [TS]

00:54:48   actually by the way I'm pretty sure that [TS]

00:54:50   was on cortex not hello Internet so that [TS]

00:54:53   was not the sneakers in plane crash [TS]

00:54:55   podcast that was the productivity email [TS]

00:54:57   software podcast that's a stretch email [TS]

00:55:03   i'll give you email yeah i'm pretty sure [TS]

00:55:05   she should be great event of that name [TS]

00:55:06   for for it on cortex right at macbook [TS]

00:55:09   juan marco invented right on the show [TS]

00:55:11   yeah all right so and our chat room and [TS]

00:55:13   i both collaborated on macbook escape [TS]

00:55:15   yes macbook one vs macbook adorable we [TS]

00:55:20   are using them both interchangeably on [TS]

00:55:23   the show and i was thinking about it [TS]

00:55:25   about which day if we should settle on a [TS]

00:55:28   name or what's going to happen there and [TS]

00:55:30   unfortunately i think [TS]

00:55:32   I think / hope that macbook adorable is [TS]

00:55:35   going to have more longevity not [TS]

00:55:37   necessarily because it's a better name [TS]

00:55:39   but because as soon as they add a second [TS]

00:55:42   USBC port to the 12 inch macbook macbook [TS]

00:55:46   one doesn't have doesn't doesn't make [TS]

00:55:49   sense anymore in fact it becomes [TS]

00:55:51   undistinguished because we would meet [TS]

00:55:53   we're going to have to call it macbook [TS]

00:55:54   two or something and then that's kind of [TS]

00:55:55   confusing but whereas adorable if it's [TS]

00:55:59   still very small it is still adorable [TS]

00:56:00   macbook adorable last until they come up [TS]

00:56:02   with a new macbook that is entirely [TS]

00:56:04   different form factors as thin as a [TS]

00:56:05   sheet of paper and then it probably [TS]

00:56:07   comes up with a new name so it seems to [TS]

00:56:09   me that in the long run macbook adorable [TS]

00:56:11   will stand triumphant over the again the [TS]

00:56:14   corpse of that uh of that laptop line [TS]

00:56:16   when that day comes well i mean and also [TS]

00:56:19   like it I've even stopped saying that [TS]

00:56:21   book one most of the time because NAT [TS]

00:56:24   like it the reason I started saying that [TS]

00:56:27   name in the first place was similar to [TS]

00:56:29   my reason now for having for saying [TS]

00:56:30   macbook escape for this 13-inch because [TS]

00:56:32   like apples name for it was vague and [TS]

00:56:35   ambiguous when you would use in [TS]

00:56:36   conversation and that computer has now [TS]

00:56:39   been out for over two years so I feel [TS]

00:56:44   like now we can just say MacBook and [TS]

00:56:46   most of the time that that will now [TS]

00:56:48   suffice people will usually know what [TS]

00:56:50   what we mean now and if not I've been [TS]

00:56:52   saying 12-inch MacBook which really [TS]

00:56:54   clarifies it and so I think the need for [TS]

00:56:57   alternative names for that product has [TS]

00:57:00   now mostly or entirely past because it's [TS]

00:57:03   just been long enough the macbook escape [TS]

00:57:06   I think still needs clever names like [TS]

00:57:08   that but that will probably expire in [TS]

00:57:10   like a year as well yeah once i get rid [TS]

00:57:12   of those darn pesky physical keys but [TS]

00:57:14   touch bar and everything right oh god oh [TS]

00:57:17   part of this river now you know the [TS]

00:57:19   funny thing is I reign myself into using [TS]

00:57:22   caps lock for escape everywhere and I'm [TS]

00:57:24   still doing that now you're allowed to [TS]

00:57:26   you you're still out to do that like and [TS]

00:57:28   now you can use both now like you know [TS]

00:57:30   because when you remap Catholic to [TS]

00:57:31   escape the Escape key still does escape [TS]

00:57:32   and so I'm able to use both now but caps [TS]

00:57:35   lock is so much bigger and closer to my [TS]

00:57:37   pinky so there it is so really you're [TS]

00:57:40   just biding time until the touch bar [TS]

00:57:41   makes it to everything you're basically [TS]

00:57:43   pulling a John yeah like when [TS]

00:57:46   the touch bar makes it to everything if [TS]

00:57:47   that if that's going to be a thing we [TS]

00:57:48   should probably will eventually you know [TS]

00:57:51   I'm not going to like throw a huge fit [TS]

00:57:53   over it the main reason i like this [TS]

00:57:55   computer is that it has the macbook air [TS]

00:57:58   cpu class and a massive battery in a [TS]

00:58:01   really really good size and weight [TS]

00:58:03   package the the 13-inch with touch bar [TS]

00:58:07   is only different in a few of those [TS]

00:58:10   factors like it still is the same size [TS]

00:58:12   and weight I would probably be very [TS]

00:58:14   happy with that one as well but it has [TS]

00:58:16   worse battery life and the touch bar has [TS]

00:58:19   these downsides for me that I don't I [TS]

00:58:21   don't love so for me that's that's kind [TS]

00:58:24   of a minor feature difference if there [TS]

00:58:26   comes a time when I can only get the [TS]

00:58:29   model I want with a touch bar I'll do it [TS]

00:58:31   it'll be you know I won't love it but [TS]

00:58:33   it'll be fine so since we've recorded I [TS]

00:58:38   believe yeah because it was Monday Apple [TS]

00:58:41   has open w WWDC lottery the so the way [TS]

00:58:45   it works is as of two or three years ago [TS]

00:58:47   now you put your name in a hat and if [TS]

00:58:51   you are lucky enough to win a lot really [TS]

00:58:53   big hat really big hat if you're lucky [TS]

00:58:56   enough to win the lottery you have won [TS]

00:58:58   the opportunity and you will take that [TS]

00:59:00   opportunity that's the way it works but [TS]

00:59:01   you have won the opportunity to give [TS]

00:59:03   Apple one thousand six hundred dollars [TS]

00:59:04   of your money and you will get a ticket [TS]

00:59:07   to WWDC in return so the lottery started [TS]

00:59:11   this past Monday and it runs I believe [TS]

00:59:15   until friday afternoon evening something [TS]

00:59:17   like that and then presumably shortly [TS]

00:59:19   thereafter they will start telling [TS]

00:59:20   people whether or not they have made it [TS]

00:59:22   in first question before we go any [TS]

00:59:26   further is the obvious question who put [TS]

00:59:29   their name in the Hat I can tell you [TS]

00:59:30   that I did I have listened to under the [TS]

00:59:33   radar so I know your answer Marco but [TS]

00:59:35   why don't you share with the group [TS]

00:59:35   please sure I mean under the radar this [TS]

00:59:38   week I go into detail but the summary of [TS]

00:59:41   it is that this is the first year since [TS]

00:59:43   2009 that I am NOT seeking a ticket and [TS]

00:59:46   that's not because I'm think it's bad or [TS]

00:59:49   anything it's it's simply because i have [TS]

00:59:52   found in the last couple years that my [TS]

00:59:54   my utility of the conference is going [TS]

00:59:56   down because i've just been to so many [TS]

00:59:56   down because i've just been to so many [TS]

01:00:00   it gets a little repetitive after a [TS]

01:00:01   while if you're like if you're a first [TS]

01:00:03   timer or if you only been a couple times [TS]

01:00:05   and you you're still getting a lot out [TS]

01:00:07   of each time by all means go for it but [TS]

01:00:10   for me I've just found that I have gone [TS]

01:00:12   so much and it really is geared [TS]

01:00:14   significantly towards newcomers because [TS]

01:00:17   usually about half or more of their [TS]

01:00:19   attendees are first-timers so if you go [TS]

01:00:23   every single year it's it starts getting [TS]

01:00:25   a little bit less necessary for you so [TS]

01:00:28   this year I've decided to focus instead [TS]

01:00:30   on the surrounding events i can go into [TS]

01:00:32   i'm going to the layers conference which [TS]

01:00:33   i highly recommend and and i'll be [TS]

01:00:36   around stuff like that but I'm I decided [TS]

01:00:39   this year to forgo the official [TS]

01:00:41   conference but I will be out there and I [TS]

01:00:43   hope to see all of you there as well [TS]

01:00:44   John I put my name in the ring again I [TS]

01:00:48   really like the BWC still I would also [TS]

01:00:52   like to go to layers I'm not sure if I [TS]

01:00:55   could swing both of them obviously I [TS]

01:00:56   can't be physically in two places at [TS]

01:00:57   once but it's also you know an added [TS]

01:00:59   expense to pay for both of them let me [TS]

01:01:01   tell you as somebody who did that you [TS]

01:01:02   can't like yeah I just can't I mean the [TS]

01:01:06   only the advantages that layers is only [TS]

01:01:07   I think the first three days or two days [TS]

01:01:09   and so you could at least go to WTC for [TS]

01:01:13   the last two or three days but I did [TS]

01:01:15   that two years ago and it was it was a [TS]

01:01:17   huge waste it was a it was a huge waste [TS]

01:01:20   of both passes really I felt bad that I [TS]

01:01:23   like I had to miss like half of layers [TS]

01:01:25   and a good chunk of everybody sees you [TS]

01:01:27   could try to try to go to things from [TS]

01:01:28   both so i would not recommend doing wdc [TS]

01:01:31   with another conference but if you don't [TS]

01:01:34   get a ticket to that or if you'd rather [TS]

01:01:36   would not go to that I do recommend [TS]

01:01:38   layers as an alternative conference yeah [TS]

01:01:41   so if I don't get a ticket to WC I will [TS]

01:01:44   probably try to get a ticket two layers [TS]

01:01:45   just so I have some reason to actually [TS]

01:01:47   travel out there and don't get yelled at [TS]

01:01:48   pay you to for not coming wait so you're [TS]

01:01:50   gonna come oh I was I'm so happy right [TS]

01:01:52   now John this is the best oh I never [TS]

01:01:54   thought you'd come this is great neither [TS]

01:01:56   yeah me neither if I know would come if [TS]

01:01:58   I got layers if I don't get take us to [TS]

01:01:59   anything then we're back to [TS]

01:02:01   maybe not so much that be somebody's [TS]

01:02:06   like text or ringtone but anyway now [TS]

01:02:08   that's fantastic news I assumed that if [TS]

01:02:11   you did not get a WOD DC ticket that [TS]

01:02:13   that was that the the story is over then [TS]

01:02:16   we will not be seeing you this year but [TS]

01:02:19   that's fantastic if I just come for a [TS]

01:02:21   layer as I could I would probably also [TS]

01:02:23   not be there for the same amount of time [TS]

01:02:24   because layers is only three days so [TS]

01:02:26   basically I come back earlier and that [TS]

01:02:28   would read hopefully reduce the expenses [TS]

01:02:30   of everything all around you know so if [TS]

01:02:33   you weren't there you wouldn't get a [TS]

01:02:34   chance to see this year's version of my [TS]

01:02:36   podcast recording setup because it [TS]

01:02:38   changes every year dramatically so man [TS]

01:02:43   that's funny good have lav mics is here [TS]

01:02:44   that what's happening I was actually [TS]

01:02:45   thinking about headsets I'm looking I'm [TS]

01:02:48   doing some research so like are there [TS]

01:02:49   any headset that sound decent because [TS]

01:02:51   that would allow me to pack a lot less [TS]

01:02:53   stuff overall yeah oh my word turns out [TS]

01:02:56   microphone stands are massive in your [TS]

01:02:58   suitcase i had to pay the overweight [TS]

01:03:00   limit on my on my check bag last year [TS]

01:03:02   just fold like microphone stands and [TS]

01:03:05   stuff so yeah trying to try to reduce [TS]

01:03:08   that a little bit this year we'll see so [TS]

01:03:11   i did put my name in the Hat and i [TS]

01:03:13   cannot agree more that layers is [TS]

01:03:16   unbelievably good we know at least one [TS]

01:03:21   of the women that run it Jesse char [TS]

01:03:23   works with us and she is fantastic and [TS]

01:03:26   amazing and the conference [TS]

01:03:28   unsurprisingly is fantastic and amazing [TS]

01:03:30   layers is if you've ever been to another [TS]

01:03:34   tech conference before you will [TS]

01:03:36   immediately recognize that layers is a [TS]

01:03:38   conference designed and run by people [TS]

01:03:42   who have been to a lot of other tech [TS]

01:03:44   conferences and have put a ton of [TS]

01:03:46   thought and consideration and effort [TS]

01:03:49   into fixing and addressing the things [TS]

01:03:52   that everyone actually wants and needs [TS]

01:03:53   when they go to a tech conference and so [TS]

01:03:56   you go there and there's like you know [TS]

01:03:58   it's it's a really nice schedule it's [TS]

01:04:00   not like to pack the talks aren't too [TS]

01:04:03   long there's lots of socialization time [TS]

01:04:05   between things there's amazing snacks [TS]

01:04:07   and coffee right there in the room and [TS]

01:04:10   hot chocolate yeah there's like and [TS]

01:04:12   there's like there's like advil if [TS]

01:04:14   case you like drank too much the night [TS]

01:04:16   before or whatever like it's like it's [TS]

01:04:18   they really they think of everything [TS]

01:04:20   that you want out of a tech conference [TS]

01:04:24   even if you don't realize that because [TS]

01:04:25   they did think about it they did realize [TS]

01:04:27   it and they plan or it's just awesome so [TS]

01:04:30   I I wrote a review of layers shortly [TS]

01:04:33   after I left last year and and i'll put [TS]

01:04:36   the link in the show notes but it begins [TS]

01:04:37   as follows layers is the fantasy [TS]

01:04:39   conference we all wish existed but are [TS]

01:04:41   too scared or preoccupied or wimpy to [TS]

01:04:43   put together and I stand by that a year [TS]

01:04:45   later at layers is really fantastic it [TS]

01:04:47   is not an also-ran to WWDC it is it is [TS]

01:04:50   equally as good so definitely check that [TS]

01:04:53   out if you can I highly recommend it and [TS]

01:04:56   Jesse Jesse is really awesome so yeah [TS]

01:04:59   that that that is a genuine and honest [TS]

01:05:02   quasi advertisement from all of us [TS]

01:05:05   because we really like it that much we [TS]

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01:06:20   anyway um there are some interesting [TS]

01:06:24   changes to wdc this year other than the [TS]

01:06:26   obvious relocation to San Jose which I [TS]

01:06:30   keep calling San Diego and conversation [TS]

01:06:33   because my youngest brother lives in San [TS]

01:06:35   Diego and i keep getting confused Sam [TS]

01:06:36   right yeah it's totally like next to [TS]

01:06:38   each other so if I do that later just [TS]

01:06:40   just like John said the other day it [TS]

01:06:43   just fill in what I meant but anyway [TS]

01:06:44   there there like last year Apple is to [TS]

01:06:48   some degree i don't know if i should go [TS]

01:06:50   so far as to say embracing but perhaps [TS]

01:06:52   acknowledging that there are other [TS]

01:06:53   things that are happening at the same [TS]

01:06:54   time so on the WWDC site there's a page [TS]

01:06:58   called beyond WWDC and the header there [TS]

01:07:02   reads in addition to Apple's Worldwide [TS]

01:07:03   Developer Developers Conference a [TS]

01:07:06   variety of other exciting developer [TS]

01:07:08   events will take place throughout the [TS]

01:07:09   week in San Jose and they mention among [TS]

01:07:11   other things layers alt conf which I've [TS]

01:07:13   never actually gone to but I've heard [TS]

01:07:16   very good things about this year Coco [TS]

01:07:18   conf which I've gone to a couple of them [TS]

01:07:20   they're doing what they're calling Coco [TS]

01:07:22   conf next door which is I guess either [TS]

01:07:25   literally or figuratively next door to [TS]

01:07:27   WTC it looks like it is literally next [TS]

01:07:30   door to WTC there's beard vas talk show [TS]

01:07:33   with john gruber and james Dempsey in [TS]

01:07:34   the break points which gets a special [TS]

01:07:36   call out because that's a benefit [TS]

01:07:37   concert for AB camp for limit of that a [TS]

01:07:40   benefit concert for app camp for girls [TS]

01:07:42   which is a organization that is near and [TS]

01:07:45   dear to our hearts so you should [TS]

01:07:48   definitely check that out if you happen [TS]

01:07:49   to be in town and that's I think that's [TS]

01:07:51   really cool that Apple is really [TS]

01:07:52   starting to again if not embrace at [TS]

01:07:54   least acknowledge that there are other [TS]

01:07:57   things going on at the same time I know [TS]

01:07:58   what happened last year but I'm happy to [TS]

01:08:00   see it back this year additionally there [TS]

01:08:03   has been a couple of really fascinating [TS]

01:08:07   brand new changes to the WTC site which [TS]

01:08:11   I am genuinely really excited about the [TS]

01:08:14   first is something that we all got [TS]

01:08:16   really really crotchety about last year [TS]

01:08:18   and I think deservedly so there's a code [TS]

01:08:20   of conduct it is quite short but as [TS]

01:08:24   someone who is not a good reader of [TS]

01:08:28   these things it seems to come for most [TS]

01:08:31   basis I say with little conviction but [TS]

01:08:33   it it looked fine to me [TS]

01:08:35   I don't know do you guys have any [TS]

01:08:36   thoughts on the code of conduct it's [TS]

01:08:38   typical apple writing like get right to [TS]

01:08:40   the point cover all the bases don't like [TS]

01:08:43   is the longer you make it in the more [TS]

01:08:44   complicated it is the more it seems like [TS]

01:08:46   it's some kind of weird legalese it's [TS]

01:08:47   apple trying to cover its but versus [TS]

01:08:50   what it's supposed to be which is a [TS]

01:08:51   thing that expresses the expectations of [TS]

01:08:54   guests of you know if you come to this [TS]

01:08:56   here's how you're expected to behave if [TS]

01:08:57   if you're here and people don't comply [TS]

01:09:00   with this then you know and everybody [TS]

01:09:02   knows is explicitly against the rules [TS]

01:09:04   and here's what you do about it right [TS]

01:09:06   and so that's that's what people are [TS]

01:09:08   asking for and like they did resistance [TS]

01:09:11   the code of conducts was always kind of [TS]

01:09:12   you know essentially organizations as [TS]

01:09:15   personified by whoever you want to put [TS]

01:09:18   as the head of the organization getting [TS]

01:09:20   defensive like what are you trying to [TS]

01:09:21   say like everybody's nice at our things [TS]

01:09:23   right why do we have to have a code of [TS]

01:09:25   conduct they don't do anything anyway [TS]

01:09:26   bad people just going to do bad things [TS]

01:09:27   well I have laws people will just break [TS]

01:09:29   them and you know just goes around 30 [TS]

01:09:30   psychologies just look if you everyone [TS]

01:09:33   agrees that there's an expectation of [TS]

01:09:35   behavior just write it down and then [TS]

01:09:37   write down what to do if something [TS]

01:09:39   happens that against the thing that you [TS]

01:09:41   all think we agree on right and then [TS]

01:09:43   actually follow through with it and if [TS]

01:09:45   something does happen and someone does [TS]

01:09:46   report it then you will actually then [TS]

01:09:48   you will actually go and remedy the [TS]

01:09:50   situation rather than trying to sweep it [TS]

01:09:51   under the carpet that part can't be in [TS]

01:09:53   the code of conduct but it is the is the [TS]

01:09:55   presumption assuming that we think apple [TS]

01:09:58   is you know really be honest and i think [TS]

01:10:00   they are behind it i think last year [TS]

01:10:01   they were just caught unaware by this [TS]

01:10:03   and probably like lawyers had to get [TS]

01:10:05   involved and so on and so forth they [TS]

01:10:06   just had to get on the same page with [TS]

01:10:07   everybody else like this is a thing that [TS]

01:10:08   you should have it is the baseline for [TS]

01:10:11   any kind of conference and now apples on [TS]

01:10:14   the same page with the rest of the [TS]

01:10:15   civilized world saying you know here's [TS]

01:10:18   our code of conduct it is [TS]

01:10:19   straightforward it is the thing that we [TS]

01:10:21   all think we all agree that we all [TS]

01:10:22   believe in but now we've written it down [TS]

01:10:25   yep so I'm really happy to see that [TS]

01:10:27   there because there would have been held [TS]

01:10:30   to pay and deservedly so had they [TS]

01:10:32   ignored it for this year yeah it's kind [TS]

01:10:35   of amazing they didn't already have one [TS]

01:10:36   in previous years honestly but it is [TS]

01:10:38   good to see now like I said I think it's [TS]

01:10:40   because like just the kind of agreement [TS]

01:10:42   of like look everything's fine we're all [TS]

01:10:44   friends here everyone's cool like like [TS]

01:10:46   there was there was already a code of [TS]

01:10:48   conduct not [TS]

01:10:48   written down implicit because if you [TS]

01:10:50   came to wwc and start acting like a [TS]

01:10:52   hooligan in a way that was visible to [TS]

01:10:56   everybody you would get kicked out an [TS]

01:10:57   apple would point to some legally that [TS]

01:10:59   says look we have reserved the right to [TS]

01:11:00   kick you out whatever the hell we want [TS]

01:11:01   and here's where you're being disruptive [TS]

01:11:03   but in all the other cases of people [TS]

01:11:05   doing things that are not externally [TS]

01:11:07   visible people having a bad time because [TS]

01:11:09   if someone else's behavior and I'm going [TS]

01:11:11   to complain about and be like well I [TS]

01:11:12   didn't see it so it's nothing I could do [TS]

01:11:13   and they didn't cause a disruption so we [TS]

01:11:14   can't kick them out just like that's the [TS]

01:11:16   point where you need to say look these [TS]

01:11:19   things are going to happen we have to [TS]

01:11:20   have a policy about it founded in [TS]

01:11:22   something not just to let it be not just [TS]

01:11:25   let it fall to whoever happens to be [TS]

01:11:27   there to take the complaint at the time [TS]

01:11:28   have something in writing on the front [TS]

01:11:30   page of the things this is how it's [TS]

01:11:31   supposed to work so if something does go [TS]

01:11:33   down you could say look this is in [TS]

01:11:34   violation of you know you that everyone [TS]

01:11:36   understands and everyone agrees both the [TS]

01:11:38   people who could potentially perpetrate [TS]

01:11:40   these kind of things and the people who [TS]

01:11:41   are victims of them feel like that Apple [TS]

01:11:44   is behind that like they're their head [TS]

01:11:46   writing down what they say is supposed [TS]

01:11:48   to be rather than just saying I bet [TS]

01:11:50   we're all nice and everything will be [TS]

01:11:51   fine and we'll just get along right [TS]

01:11:53   that's that's not a that's not a [TS]

01:11:55   workable system in this day and age [TS]

01:11:56   certainly not and not to turn this into [TS]

01:11:59   the layers love lounge but the layers [TS]

01:12:01   code of conduct has emoji everywhere [TS]

01:12:04   which mean which immediately means I'm [TS]

01:12:06   paying very close attention to it so [TS]

01:12:07   here again layers knows what's up the [TS]

01:12:10   other thing that uh that is really [TS]

01:12:12   exciting about the WEC changes for this [TS]

01:12:14   year is they are offering child care and [TS]

01:12:16   the entire passage reads as follows [TS]

01:12:18   group child care will be available free [TS]

01:12:20   of charge for children eight years old [TS]

01:12:22   or younger and will be provided by [TS]

01:12:24   corporate kids make sure to include your [TS]

01:12:26   need for child care during ticket [TS]

01:12:28   registration as space is limited that is [TS]

01:12:30   super awesome it's super awesome even [TS]

01:12:34   for somebody like me I don't think I'm [TS]

01:12:36   going to take them up on this and [TS]

01:12:38   certainly I didn't like enroll on it it [TS]

01:12:40   will enroll in it when I put my name in [TS]

01:12:42   the ring but if hypothetically we wanted [TS]

01:12:45   to the three of us Erin and Declan and [TS]

01:12:48   myself go out to San Francisco for the [TS]

01:12:50   week and Aaron wanted to have five [TS]

01:12:53   minutes to herself at any point I could [TS]

01:12:56   bring Declan to wdc and have him play [TS]

01:12:58   with all the other kids and Aaron could [TS]

01:13:00   go sightsee and I could learn and [TS]

01:13:01   everyone is [TS]

01:13:02   happy and so even for somebody like us [TS]

01:13:04   this is awesome imagine how freaking [TS]

01:13:06   amazing this is for somebody who say a [TS]

01:13:08   single parent or perhaps just a [TS]

01:13:11   caregiver for whatever reason like [TS]

01:13:13   there's a million in seven different [TS]

01:13:14   ways why this is amazing and I'm I was [TS]

01:13:16   not expecting this I was expecting a [TS]

01:13:17   code of conduct I was not expecting this [TS]

01:13:19   and this is awesome so I applaud Apple [TS]

01:13:22   for both of these moves I think they're [TS]

01:13:24   there perhaps overdue but still I'm [TS]

01:13:27   really really stoked about both of them [TS]

01:13:28   yep agreed and we don't pay a lot of [TS]

01:13:30   money for these tickets like they you [TS]

01:13:32   know six hundred dollars per person you [TS]

01:13:33   do the math and Apple has to decide how [TS]

01:13:36   to allocate that money obviously they [TS]

01:13:38   pay for the space and they pay for you [TS]

01:13:39   know safety and security and they pay to [TS]

01:13:41   set up all the stuff in there and like [TS]

01:13:43   honestly I don't know if they really is [TS]

01:13:44   a profit center or not I imagine it [TS]

01:13:46   would have to at least break even or [TS]

01:13:48   something but who knows but either way [TS]

01:13:49   they have to decide how to allocate [TS]

01:13:50   their money and in the grand scheme of [TS]

01:13:53   things like when you're trying to decide [TS]

01:13:54   what will make but we'll make our [TS]

01:13:56   conference better so you can like layers [TS]

01:13:57   like it you know conference made by [TS]

01:13:59   people who've been to a bunch of other [TS]

01:14:00   conferences and it found like these are [TS]

01:14:01   the things that are no I mean these are [TS]

01:14:02   things that I wish existed this is one [TS]

01:14:04   of those things that can can [TS]

01:14:07   fundamentally change the experience of [TS]

01:14:09   the conference or just make it feasible [TS]

01:14:10   for for a whole set of people and if you [TS]

01:14:13   have to trade that versus some of [TS]

01:14:14   casey's beloved Ottawa like that's it [TS]

01:14:17   that's a reasonable price is lots of [TS]

01:14:19   lots of other places where you could [TS]

01:14:21   spend this money right let's like that [TS]

01:14:23   too aggressive John let's like take my [TS]

01:14:24   ad wala oh yeah bring back strawberry [TS]

01:14:28   sea monster it's all I ask a lot of [TS]

01:14:30   people like you're allergic to bananas [TS]

01:14:31   right on yeah those strawberries well [TS]

01:14:34   yeah so have some variety hahaha on have [TS]

01:14:38   every flavor have banana in it there is [TS]

01:14:40   they make one that doesn't it's very [TS]

01:14:42   popular and they used to have it until I [TS]

01:14:44   two years ago the struggle is real that [TS]

01:14:46   type of thing is actually surprisingly [TS]

01:14:47   expensive and especially since like [TS]

01:14:49   space is limited Roberta offering this [TS]

01:14:51   as a service as an amenity as a thing [TS]

01:14:53   that comes as part of your sixteen [TS]

01:14:54   hundred dollars I am sure the people who [TS]

01:14:56   are taking advantage of it would gladly [TS]

01:14:58   trade for a bunch of extra danishes that [TS]

01:15:01   just go stale because nobody eats them [TS]

01:15:02   or whatever you know like the the costs [TS]

01:15:04   the cost of a thing like this are [TS]

01:15:06   surprisingly high even for something as [TS]

01:15:07   like you know this the silly stale [TS]

01:15:09   danishes you eat of you know exactly how [TS]

01:15:11   much each one of those costs and the [TS]

01:15:12   grand scheme of things once we had [TS]

01:15:13   well the secret to the stale danishes is [TS]

01:15:16   that every year there is one type of [TS]

01:15:19   Danish that they serve in the breakfast [TS]

01:15:21   platter that actually is really good so [TS]

01:15:24   it's kind of a sport to find out like [TS]

01:15:25   you know to find out the one good one [TS]

01:15:27   every year like see how can you find it [TS]

01:15:29   out by Tuesday morning then you can have [TS]

01:15:30   great breakfast rest of the week they're [TS]

01:15:32   all pretty good and the ones with the [TS]

01:15:33   fruit jam in the middle I'd say that [TS]

01:15:35   pretty good I blueberries like pineapple [TS]

01:15:39   apple all those are good give those all [TS]

01:15:41   thumbs up you can basically live on [TS]

01:15:43   those of you if you try real hard see [TS]

01:15:45   now now I'm regretting not getting a [TS]

01:15:47   ticket this year because I'm gonna miss [TS]

01:15:48   the all this Dale danishes and kids [TS]

01:15:50   they're gonna be new steel teenagers [TS]

01:15:52   because they're gonna it's going to be a [TS]

01:15:53   different venue I'll give you a [TS]

01:15:54   play-by-play of the terrible box lunches [TS]

01:15:56   that's one place where they do where [TS]

01:15:58   they don't put the money no not at [TS]

01:16:00   sixteen hundred dollars is not going [TS]

01:16:02   butch not I'm all for because there are [TS]

01:16:04   plenty of other good places where you [TS]

01:16:06   can get food for a reasonable price [TS]

01:16:08   around there but there are not places [TS]

01:16:10   where you can drop off your child and [TS]

01:16:12   you know have them be close to you for a [TS]

01:16:14   reason of a lot of money during ww see [TS]

01:16:15   so this is this is a wise allocation of [TS]

01:16:17   resources is exactly the type of thing [TS]

01:16:18   that can make the conference again not [TS]

01:16:22   just like a more pleasant experience for [TS]

01:16:23   some people but just like just plain [TS]

01:16:24   possible for people who previously [TS]

01:16:26   couldn't even entertain the idea of [TS]

01:16:28   going exactly yeah yeah this is super [TS]

01:16:31   great night and I said it before but [TS]

01:16:33   I'll say it one more time I'm super [TS]

01:16:35   excited that that these are the moves [TS]

01:16:37   that Apple's making din a year where I [TS]

01:16:39   think the three of us have had a couple [TS]

01:16:41   of complaints this is a hundred percent [TS]

01:16:43   this is uttered percent I can't say two [TS]

01:16:47   thumbs up because I'm only one person we [TS]

01:16:50   got scolded about that once but I will [TS]

01:16:52   give a single thumb up because that's [TS]

01:16:55   all I'm permitted to do don't allow that [TS]

01:16:56   scalding you have two thumbs who's got [TS]

01:16:58   two thumbs this guy so anyway yeah I'm [TS]

01:17:03   really stoked about this and I and I am [TS]

01:17:05   I am hopefully gonna see John there and [TS]

01:17:09   then I'll be jealous of what Marco says [TS]

01:17:12   it layers or maybe I'll be with mark [TS]

01:17:13   what layers who even knows but we'll [TS]

01:17:15   figure it out one way or the other but I [TS]

01:17:16   am I am already trying not to get my [TS]

01:17:20   hopes up for the Big John siracusa hug [TS]

01:17:23   that I always forget how tall you are [TS]

01:17:25   and that I have to reach up and get on [TS]

01:17:26   my tippy [TS]

01:17:27   to give you a proper hug and i'm already [TS]

01:17:28   looking forward to that awkward moment [TS]

01:17:29   get ready John I'm coming for you my [TS]

01:17:33   body is ready i love you i love you so [TS]

01:17:37   much judge thank you sir oh my god [TS]

01:17:40   that's amazing thanks to our three [TS]

01:17:42   sponsors this hahaha betterment audible [TS]

01:17:45   and back please and we will see you next [TS]

01:17:47   week now the show is over they didn't [TS]

01:17:54   even mean to begin cuz it was accidental [TS]

01:17:57   oh it was accidental John didn't do any [TS]

01:18:02   research Marco and Casey wouldn't let [TS]

01:18:06   cuz it was accidentally it was [TS]

01:18:09   accidental and you can find the show [TS]

01:18:13   notes at ATP FM and if you're into [TS]

01:18:18   twitter you can follow them at cas eyl [TS]

01:18:24   ISS so that's Casey list and a RC o a RM [TS]

01:18:30   Angie Marco Arment as I are they see us [TS]

01:18:36   a Syracuse [TS]

01:18:44   so I'm trying somebody asked for a [TS]

01:18:52   picture the box lunches in the chat and [TS]

01:18:54   I am the kind of moron that sexual don't [TS]

01:18:57   do them justice well they are not [TS]

01:18:59   terribly tasty but I think you're over [TS]

01:19:02   blowing how I am they are but I'm going [TS]

01:19:04   to put this in the notes it's for next [TS]

01:19:05   week I there I need to go into detail [TS]

01:19:08   about what what really goes wrong with [TS]

01:19:10   these lunches not today but I'll do you [TS]

01:19:12   want to just do that now no because [TS]

01:19:14   we're going to talk about Zelda so I'm [TS]

01:19:16   not cutting into my zelda time hey hey [TS]

01:19:18   level hello don't want to cut into [TS]

01:19:21   yourself the time John yeah he wanted me [TS]

01:19:23   to expound on wwc lunches but I'm saving [TS]

01:19:26   it for next week oh that's good yeah [TS]

01:19:27   Zelda times better yeah that's probably [TS]

01:19:29   I do have tons of pictures of food from [TS]

01:19:32   the beer bash coincidentally but I have [TS]

01:19:33   yet to find one of the box lunches this [TS]

01:19:35   is going to bother me and anyway hi TIFF [TS]

01:19:38   how are you hi how are you guys I'm [TS]

01:19:40   doing well oh I see a picture of odwalla [TS]

01:19:42   all right I'll keep myself under control [TS]

01:19:44   anyway uh tell me about Zelda and how [TS]

01:19:48   much I should regret not having picked [TS]

01:19:50   up a switch alright so far Zelda's [TS]

01:19:52   excellent as John said it is I don't [TS]

01:19:57   know if you would like it Casey because [TS]

01:19:59   I'm not quite sure you like huge epic [TS]

01:20:03   sandbox games where you pick through [TS]

01:20:06   things and find stuff and walk around [TS]

01:20:08   and gather and fight here and there so [TS]

01:20:12   quick background I did play through the [TS]

01:20:16   entirety of ocarina of time which is not [TS]

01:20:17   exactly the same but I loved that game [TS]

01:20:21   and okay so I played about five to ten [TS]

01:20:25   minutes of breath of the wild on my [TS]

01:20:27   sister-in-law's switch and then I played [TS]

01:20:29   another five or ten minutes on my [TS]

01:20:32   friends switch and my friends and [TS]

01:20:33   neighbors switch so i've got probably a [TS]

01:20:36   sum total of fifteen minutes of play [TS]

01:20:37   time on this game and from what I [TS]

01:20:39   experienced in the brief window of time [TS]

01:20:42   I did like it the reason I haven't [TS]

01:20:45   bought myself a switch other than being [TS]

01:20:46   cheap is because i fear that i would [TS]

01:20:49   either play through Zelda and then [TS]

01:20:51   decide okay well that's enough or I will [TS]

01:20:54   Gail play through some of Zelda and then [TS]

01:20:56   just give up on it [TS]

01:20:57   two tips points i'm not really sure how [TS]

01:21:00   I would feel about this but and the [TS]

01:21:03   brief one no time I played it I really [TS]

01:21:04   liked it have you ever played fable no [TS]

01:21:07   never even heard of it you've never [TS]

01:21:10   heard a favor anyway it's a lot like [TS]

01:21:13   fable right John don't you think don't [TS]

01:21:15   you feel the fable ii vibe going on I [TS]

01:21:17   feel so much fable I never played fable [TS]

01:21:19   but I'm aware of the game and I know it [TS]

01:21:21   I know what it's like those xboxs my [TS]

01:21:23   podcast it's on a Microsoft console so [TS]

01:21:25   John would not have any of that yeah but [TS]

01:21:27   it's fable by me but I know I know about [TS]

01:21:30   fable but but yeah like it it is a for [TS]

01:21:34   Casey's taste like ocarina of time is [TS]

01:21:35   definitely much more linear and follows [TS]

01:21:38   a formula and it's a good formula but [TS]

01:21:40   breath of the wild is not that breadth [TS]

01:21:42   of the while definitely brings in the [TS]

01:21:43   big sandbox and people know the [TS]

01:21:44   terminology when you say a sandbox game [TS]

01:21:46   it's the idea that instead of having [TS]

01:21:48   like it keep hard to talk about that [TS]

01:21:51   making references to get it to other [TS]

01:21:52   games like uncharted or whatever but [TS]

01:21:54   instead of having an expected series of [TS]

01:21:56   steps like you're going to do this then [TS]

01:21:58   you're going to do that then you're [TS]

01:21:59   going to do that and this is how you're [TS]

01:22:00   going to play through the game to the [TS]

01:22:02   ending of the game may be multiple [TS]

01:22:03   endings or whatever instead it provides [TS]

01:22:05   you like a sandbox like in a playground [TS]

01:22:06   road it's just this big square and it's [TS]

01:22:08   got sand and toys and trucks in it and [TS]

01:22:10   you can do you know that and there is [TS]

01:22:12   like a story to be had in solves but a [TS]

01:22:15   lot of the game is just playing in the [TS]

01:22:16   sandbox I'm going to make a little [TS]

01:22:17   castle over here I'm going to drive my [TS]

01:22:19   truck over there and it is what you make [TS]

01:22:21   of it and that type of game can be like [TS]

01:22:22   you know I don't get it what's the point [TS]

01:22:24   what am I even supposed to do this is [TS]

01:22:26   boring if you're not into sandbox type [TS]

01:22:27   games or if you just try to play [TS]

01:22:29   linearly like I'm confused about where [TS]

01:22:31   to go and this game doesn't seem to have [TS]

01:22:33   much stuff in it i played through the [TS]

01:22:34   storage real quickly but if you like [TS]

01:22:36   sandbox games and you like collecting [TS]

01:22:38   things and you like picking up new items [TS]

01:22:40   and finding new places to go and doing [TS]

01:22:42   stuff this elder is amazing because it [TS]

01:22:44   has a lot of the same traditional zelda [TS]

01:22:46   elements of the overarching story and [TS]

01:22:47   all the things you can do but unlike so [TS]

01:22:49   many past games it's not like go here do [TS]

01:22:51   this dungeon get the boomerang which you [TS]

01:22:53   will need to finish this dungeon the [TS]

01:22:54   next dungeon you get this item do that [TS]

01:22:55   like that it doesn't do that at all you [TS]

01:22:57   can go wherever the hell you want [TS]

01:22:58   including running to the final battle as [TS]

01:23:00   soon as you get out of the first level [TS]

01:23:02   tutorial area and getting your butt [TS]

01:23:03   kicked because you can't beat it at that [TS]

01:23:05   point to just like spending the entire [TS]

01:23:08   game like i wonder how many people will [TS]

01:23:10   play breath of the wild [TS]

01:23:11   and literally never finish the main [TS]

01:23:13   story because just playing the rest of [TS]

01:23:14   the game is more fun just slowly [TS]

01:23:17   methodically exploring the sandbox [TS]

01:23:19   exploring the map collecting things [TS]

01:23:21   getting new outfits catching new horses [TS]

01:23:24   just that can entertain you for such an [TS]

01:23:27   incredible period of time and so I love [TS]

01:23:28   both those type of things and this is a [TS]

01:23:30   great hybrid game for me I'm really [TS]

01:23:32   enjoying it both aspects of the story [TS]

01:23:34   part and the sandbox part so you should [TS]

01:23:36   totally play fable because the dynamics [TS]

01:23:40   and everything in in this game in new [TS]

01:23:42   zelda is exactly like fable it's like [TS]

01:23:45   you're not constantly searching out like [TS]

01:23:48   in old Zelda's I skipped a couple so [TS]

01:23:50   correct me if it changed but you kind of [TS]

01:23:53   you find one weapon and then you slowly [TS]

01:23:55   upgrade it throughout the course of the [TS]

01:23:58   game like oh then you find the next [TS]

01:23:59   weapon and there's like six weapons [TS]

01:24:01   right like or six main swords that [TS]

01:24:03   you're searching for and here it's more [TS]

01:24:06   of like you get a sword and use it for a [TS]

01:24:08   while and then it breaks and then you [TS]

01:24:10   find another sword use it for a while [TS]

01:24:12   and then it breaks and so there's no [TS]

01:24:14   like oh now I have to search for the [TS]

01:24:17   master sword and get all these things in [TS]

01:24:19   order to get the master sword it doesn't [TS]

01:24:21   seem like that kind of thing it's so [TS]

01:24:23   much it's so like fable there's little [TS]

01:24:25   people walking around that you can trade [TS]

01:24:28   with and get a pet dog if you want wolf [TS]

01:24:30   but same thing yeah well that's in fable [TS]

01:24:32   2 like everything that's what I'm saying [TS]

01:24:34   I know it's so family it's crazy family [TS]

01:24:38   wait you can get dogs and Zelda well [TS]

01:24:40   well well but but a dog I accidentally [TS]

01:24:43   ran over a fox just recently oh and it [TS]

01:24:46   was so sad it turned into Edom he turns [TS]

01:24:48   into food it turned into meat but I ran [TS]

01:24:50   over it with my horse so it was an [TS]

01:24:52   accident yeah how far I don't want to [TS]

01:24:53   spoil things at how far are you a game [TS]

01:24:55   um I'm talking to the old wise lady and [TS]

01:25:01   running some errands for her Oh as you [TS]

01:25:05   do any major story elements that you [TS]

01:25:07   have progressed that you think would be [TS]

01:25:09   markers towards completion I don't want [TS]

01:25:10   to again I want to spoil I'm up to like [TS]

01:25:13   the silly camera dynamic alright um and [TS]

01:25:17   how much of the map have you unlocked [TS]

01:25:19   percentage-wise um haven't unlocked much [TS]

01:25:22   it's not showing me a lot but I've been [TS]

01:25:24   one [TS]

01:25:25   ring all over the place and about how [TS]

01:25:27   many towers basically oh I don't know [TS]

01:25:30   maybe like 11 or 12 11 towers though I [TS]

01:25:34   mean they really tall things that when [TS]

01:25:35   you may be a portion of the map none of [TS]

01:25:38   those yet I've only been played for like [TS]

01:25:40   two days yeah zero I mean you obviously [TS]

01:25:42   you've done the first one right you got [TS]

01:25:44   off the great plateau yes yes and then [TS]

01:25:47   after they get off the grape out on you [TS]

01:25:48   go to that tower and reveals the first [TS]

01:25:50   section of the map so that's one tower [TS]

01:25:52   right there the very very tall ones that [TS]

01:25:54   you have to climb up right yeah I [TS]

01:25:56   haven't done those yet I didn't even try [TS]

01:25:58   climbing them the one that's lit the [TS]

01:26:00   ones that are lit up yeah all right vol [TS]

01:26:02   we already saw something all right you [TS]

01:26:04   are you are very few are not far into [TS]

01:26:07   this game at all and I think you're the [TS]

01:26:08   type of person who may get lost in just [TS]

01:26:10   like you know finding items and I just [TS]

01:26:12   been doing the little temples and [TS]

01:26:14   finding chickens like yeah I'm busy I'm [TS]

01:26:17   busy finding horses I want to make sure [TS]

01:26:20   I got a teal one with dots on its butt [TS]

01:26:22   as very specific horses the horses i [TS]

01:26:25   find a little freshing and speaking of [TS]

01:26:26   the wolf pets that's one thing that [TS]

01:26:27   annoys you about this wolf bed i'm very [TS]

01:26:29   excited about this part because i just [TS]

01:26:30   keep running over a five step 1 don't [TS]

01:26:32   run him over yeah well I'm sorry it was [TS]

01:26:34   an accident I felt really bad because [TS]

01:26:35   the foxes are super cute as long as you [TS]

01:26:37   eat them use every part of the Fox I did [TS]

01:26:39   I did ding ding ding ding ding ding so [TS]

01:26:42   one monitoring that the Nintendo has [TS]

01:26:44   been using recently that's very [TS]

01:26:46   frustrating is they want you to buy [TS]

01:26:47   their little meebo plastic toys and then [TS]

01:26:51   the little plastic toys because they [TS]

01:26:53   have a little NFC thing on them that you [TS]

01:26:55   hold up to the controller or whatever I [TS]

01:26:56   yes I know unlock stuff in the game [TS]

01:26:58   which annoys me because that's an [TS]

01:27:00   additional thing you have to buy but as [TS]

01:27:02   someone who's willing to spend lots of [TS]

01:27:04   money on games whatever what really [TS]

01:27:06   annoys me is you can't buy them because [TS]

01:27:09   nobody has them unless you want to go on [TS]

01:27:11   ebay it's like Nintendo make more of [TS]

01:27:13   this plastic crap so I can buy it I'm [TS]

01:27:14   ready to give you an unseemly amount of [TS]

01:27:17   money for a meebo plastic toys just so I [TS]

01:27:19   can take the little NFC thing and pop it [TS]

01:27:21   on my controller and get the in-game [TS]

01:27:23   items of the gift because they give some [TS]

01:27:24   good items in this game now I have the [TS]

01:27:26   amoeba from like the special edition win [TS]

01:27:28   waker HD version gave you the wolf link [TS]

01:27:30   amiibo and if you use the wolf link [TS]

01:27:32   amiibo you get the wolf companion in [TS]

01:27:36   this game he just appears oh yeah I'm [TS]

01:27:38   gonna need mark on [TS]

01:27:39   need that yeah Marco if you find an [TS]

01:27:41   amigo connection let me know too because [TS]

01:27:42   I've been trying to buy these you should [TS]

01:27:43   you just go online you can see this [TS]

01:27:45   meebo gives you this this amoeba gives [TS]

01:27:46   you that so just get the amigos they [TS]

01:27:48   give you the things that you want I was [TS]

01:27:49   gonna be so into that Adams gonna be [TS]

01:27:50   crazy he was really he wants to play he [TS]

01:27:53   wants to play a lot like he wants to [TS]

01:27:55   walk around link and he was telling [TS]

01:27:57   Marco how to play someone needs to it [TS]

01:28:00   was kind of incredible yeah he was he [TS]

01:28:01   was he he wanted to teach me how to play [TS]

01:28:03   the game and so I walk over he's like [TS]

01:28:04   alright that stick you move that that [TS]

01:28:07   one you move and this one you look like [TS]

01:28:10   he already figured out like the the dual [TS]

01:28:12   analog stick movement and looking thing [TS]

01:28:14   that is you know standard all [TS]

01:28:16   first-person games most adults can't [TS]

01:28:18   figure that out for a while and he's [TS]

01:28:20   four and he was explaining it to me as [TS]

01:28:22   if I didn't know it's pretty great the [TS]

01:28:24   thing about the wolf link amiibo thing [TS]

01:28:27   is that depending on how well you do did [TS]

01:28:29   in a portion of the wind waker HD game [TS]

01:28:32   it that influences what kind of health [TS]

01:28:34   your wolf has when you instantiate him [TS]

01:28:37   in breadth of the wat which is kind of [TS]

01:28:39   fun a nice connection between those two [TS]

01:28:40   games you get a default amount if you [TS]

01:28:41   haven't played the previous one but yeah [TS]

01:28:43   the amigo angle is a little bit annoying [TS]

01:28:44   you don't need them to finish the game [TS]

01:28:46   or anything but I watched some of the [TS]

01:28:47   items they give not the wolf but I want [TS]

01:28:49   some other things than die I can't find [TS]

01:28:51   the Emmy bows in stores or online [TS]

01:28:52   anywhere except for for ridiculous [TS]

01:28:54   prices on ebay so that is frustrating [TS]

01:28:55   but so no way that hold on so you're [TS]

01:28:58   what you just said is that the the state [TS]

01:29:01   of a like an npc in the prior zelda is [TS]

01:29:05   carried over into the zelda one of your [TS]

01:29:08   achievements is a particular dungeon [TS]

01:29:10   that you do and when you complete a [TS]

01:29:11   certain section of the dungeon how many [TS]

01:29:13   hearts you have list translates to how [TS]

01:29:15   many hearts the wolf link has when you [TS]

01:29:16   instantiate him in the new game it's [TS]

01:29:18   it's just like a little NFC tap pad [TS]

01:29:20   thingy it's not it's not super high-tech [TS]

01:29:22   so like if we've never heard of these [TS]

01:29:24   things never there anything do we get [TS]

01:29:25   like like a slow emotionally damaged [TS]

01:29:28   wolf or like did we get like she got one [TS]

01:29:30   everything the same about him he will [TS]

01:29:32   probably just have a little bit less [TS]

01:29:33   health than mine or maybe a lot less but [TS]

01:29:35   either way like if he dies you can I [TS]

01:29:36   think he has I cool down and here you [TS]

01:29:38   just reinstate I mean honestly not that [TS]

01:29:39   particularly useful because like any [TS]

01:29:42   sort of npc fighting aid type of thing [TS]

01:29:44   it's you know it helps a little bit but [TS]

01:29:47   then you a lot of time you just been [TS]

01:29:48   wearing around same thing with the [TS]

01:29:49   horses by the way horses I'm worried I [TS]

01:29:51   don't want to spoil things for you [TS]

01:29:53   anyway i was worried i had some problems [TS]

01:29:56   with my horse campaigns as well so i'm [TS]

01:29:59   mostly a loner out there well what was [TS]

01:30:01   your problem I don't want to spoil [TS]

01:30:03   anything for you just play the games got [TS]

01:30:05   0 although I've been feeling factory [TS]

01:30:07   I've been feeling super bad oh poor [TS]

01:30:10   horses I'm feeling super bad about [TS]

01:30:12   breaking things in the village even [TS]

01:30:14   though I know it's part of the game to [TS]

01:30:16   like fine yeah no you got it was [TS]

01:30:17   tradition you gotta break those pots you [TS]

01:30:19   see you see pots you they need to be [TS]

01:30:21   broke no but I feel really bad because [TS]

01:30:23   now it feels like so personal because [TS]

01:30:25   they're like they're like people they're [TS]

01:30:27   walking around and maybe like kind of [TS]

01:30:28   talk to you more one of them might have [TS]

01:30:30   money in it I mean it could happen no I [TS]

01:30:33   just I feel I feel really guilty now [TS]

01:30:35   about like taking fruit out of shrines [TS]

01:30:37   and I just I can't I feel like really [TS]

01:30:40   guilty about this game like are you [TS]

01:30:42   really saving this kingdom I don't know [TS]

01:30:44   but I'm feeling like it's a mix between [TS]

01:30:46   like fable and I'm worried about going [TS]

01:30:47   to the bad side and like I just I have [TS]

01:30:50   all these panics like in heaven but it's [TS]

01:30:53   revenge of its revenge of the old [TS]

01:30:54   mechanics because like in past Elda's i [TS]

01:30:57   was i was the the scourge of grass [TS]

01:30:59   everywhere asthma every player was [TS]

01:31:01   played at know if everyone has ever been [TS]

01:31:03   that you see grass it must be cut you [TS]

01:31:05   know why because sometimes when you cut [TS]

01:31:07   grass money pops out or hearts but [TS]

01:31:10   mostly money and so then you're like [TS]

01:31:12   grass must cut it and what is this game [TS]

01:31:14   2 gives you gigantic fields of grass and [TS]

01:31:16   weapons that we're down when you cut [TS]

01:31:18   with them and you're like must cut grass [TS]

01:31:20   but must not cut grass and there's some [TS]

01:31:23   pottery must break pots but but but no [TS]

01:31:26   don't break pots because it will wear [TS]

01:31:28   what if i pick up the pottery and throw [TS]

01:31:29   it but then the people will be angry at [TS]

01:31:31   me and the game has lots of in-game [TS]

01:31:32   texted teases you about previous zelda [TS]

01:31:35   games mechanics when you do one of the [TS]

01:31:37   things from it's a lot of fun at least [TS]

01:31:39   they kept those cute little leaf dudes [TS]

01:31:40   i'm super happy about that Oh total [TS]

01:31:43   Roxanne yeah they're cool I'm liking [TS]

01:31:45   that I see a lot of the older game [TS]

01:31:48   creature it's kind of in this world also [TS]

01:31:51   and like the ones from winwaker right [TS]

01:31:55   you know they're all over the place the [TS]

01:31:57   same kind of demon D things and yeah [TS]

01:32:00   winwaker winwaker his win week I don't [TS]

01:32:03   know what's a call my cares though the [TS]

01:32:04   boat one yeah yeah you've got you have [TS]

01:32:06   the [TS]

01:32:06   dr. rocks you know I yeah back to the [TS]

01:32:08   first game yep you have those yeah [TS]

01:32:10   they're so good the main thing that I'm [TS]

01:32:12   enjoying about this game and it's not [TS]

01:32:15   just the sandbox it's lots of games our [TS]

01:32:16   sandbox see but so this is not I mean [TS]

01:32:18   because you know grand theft auto or [TS]

01:32:20   whatever is a sandbox game right but [TS]

01:32:21   this is like the title is appropriate [TS]

01:32:23   breath of the wild the main sort of [TS]

01:32:25   theme of this game and it's embodied in [TS]

01:32:28   both the mechanics and in you know the [TS]

01:32:30   the sandbox nature of it is that you are [TS]

01:32:33   out in the wild and so it's not it's not [TS]

01:32:35   an entirely man versus nature but [TS]

01:32:37   there's a lot of that from the very [TS]

01:32:38   beginning of the game just getting hot [TS]

01:32:40   and getting cold but in general just [TS]

01:32:41   like wanting to see what's over the next [TS]

01:32:44   rise and wanting to see you know the [TS]

01:32:47   sense of exploration like what's going [TS]

01:32:49   to be over there or what could that be [TS]

01:32:50   or whatever and there's a couple people [TS]

01:32:52   pointed out in discussions on Twitter so [TS]

01:32:54   many sandboxie games like even things [TS]

01:32:57   like very popular games like oblivion or [TS]

01:33:00   the Elder Scrolls series and stuff like [TS]

01:33:02   that there were sandbox games with huge [TS]

01:33:03   world's very detailed all sorts of stuff [TS]

01:33:05   you'd see something I wonder what's over [TS]

01:33:08   that peak that looks like a little [TS]

01:33:09   interesting value over there and you'd [TS]

01:33:11   spend your time making this long trek to [TS]

01:33:13   this distant peak which is cool you can [TS]

01:33:14   do in a sandbox game if you can see it [TS]

01:33:16   you can go there and you were just go [TS]

01:33:17   and work your way there and there's [TS]

01:33:19   random encounters with enemies and you [TS]

01:33:21   go through some villages and you take a [TS]

01:33:22   break and get some food or whatever you [TS]

01:33:23   finally make that is what you think this [TS]

01:33:25   really cool little nook or waterfall and [TS]

01:33:26   there is nothing there like it is just [TS]

01:33:29   some more textures in scenery and the [TS]

01:33:31   thing that breath of the wild does so [TS]

01:33:33   well is that even though it is a huge [TS]

01:33:35   world is obviously a huge world that [TS]

01:33:37   humans have carefully constructed so [TS]

01:33:40   that if something looks tempting or [TS]

01:33:41   interesting when you get there they will [TS]

01:33:43   be something they're not the world's [TS]

01:33:46   greatest thing but some reason for you [TS]

01:33:47   to have a ride there some reward for [TS]

01:33:49   getting there and that the most [TS]

01:33:50   interesting things are in areas that [TS]

01:33:51   look interesting that will lure you [TS]

01:33:53   toward them and it makes you feel like [TS]

01:33:54   I'm a genius for finding this thing here [TS]

01:33:56   it's like no you're not they made it [TS]

01:33:58   look cool and inviting they made say I [TS]

01:34:00   wonder what that is often this is that [TS]

01:34:01   looks kinda interesting or there's like [TS]

01:34:02   a little twinkle or or that looks like [TS]

01:34:04   it would be a neat little cove or have a [TS]

01:34:05   nice little tree or just looks like [TS]

01:34:07   maybe we're sensing that like there are [TS]

01:34:09   certain sections of it that are more [TS]

01:34:10   massage by human hands and others but [TS]

01:34:12   the idea of like it it just continued [TS]

01:34:15   hasn't come on it continues to amaze me [TS]

01:34:19   that like even [TS]

01:34:20   when Aerys are mapped out you look on [TS]

01:34:21   the map and they give areas names like [TS]

01:34:23   little regions names and you're like [TS]

01:34:24   that's an interesting name or they put a [TS]

01:34:26   little thing on the map like a little [TS]

01:34:27   drawing in the map like that looks cool [TS]

01:34:28   and you go there and like recently I had [TS]

01:34:30   a big ordeal getting to a particular [TS]

01:34:32   section on the map and I'm playing with [TS]

01:34:33   my son he's like dad you know it was [TS]

01:34:35   very difficult to get there and we were [TS]

01:34:38   using a lot of our food and was like [TS]

01:34:39   just why are we even going here just [TS]

01:34:41   turn back we're using up all of our food [TS]

01:34:43   and this is a waste of time and we've [TS]

01:34:45   been trying to do this like a harrowing [TS]

01:34:46   journey through you know elemental [TS]

01:34:48   dangers and random enemies and you know [TS]

01:34:50   my son is getting bored or whatever I'm [TS]

01:34:52   like no I really want to get to that [TS]

01:34:54   part because just because it looked [TS]

01:34:55   interesting on the map like I didn't [TS]

01:34:56   actually see it with my own eyeballs and [TS]

01:34:58   when we got there it was totally worth [TS]

01:35:00   it and he had to admit like that was a [TS]

01:35:02   good idea and why did they put this out [TS]

01:35:03   here in the car of the map but it's [TS]

01:35:04   SuperDuper hard to get to because the [TS]

01:35:07   new people would just try to get there [TS]

01:35:08   to see what that thing is and when they [TS]

01:35:09   get there they are rewarded and that's [TS]

01:35:11   that is the number one thing that I love [TS]

01:35:13   about this game the sense of exploration [TS]

01:35:15   and adventure and the fact that every [TS]

01:35:16   time I go exploring her on some you know [TS]

01:35:18   damn fool crusade as they would say in a [TS]

01:35:21   movie that Marco and Casey will not [TS]

01:35:23   remember nope I'm rewarded for that at [TS]

01:35:27   the end so I envy your your largely [TS]

01:35:29   unlocked map all the plate all of the [TS]

01:35:32   places you will go which there you go [TS]

01:35:33   you remember that one all the places you [TS]

01:35:35   will go in Zelda still so much to see so [TS]

01:35:38   much to do so much fun well that's good [TS]

01:35:40   to know that it's worth it because I've [TS]

01:35:41   climbed some mountains and it was pretty [TS]

01:35:44   good up there you know like I blew up [TS]

01:35:45   some rocks and stuff but I've definitely [TS]

01:35:47   was able to climb a lot more mountains [TS]

01:35:49   and I have been in other sandbox games [TS]

01:35:51   you know usually it's like oh yeah you [TS]

01:35:52   can climb this mountain but you really [TS]

01:35:54   can't sorry that's close many big yeah [TS]

01:35:57   so I'm pretty excited that you can go [TS]

01:35:59   climb every mountain for it every stream [TS]

01:36:01   that's right follow every ok everyone ok [TS]

01:36:04   Maria ok river no no Maria come on [TS]

01:36:08   someone's gotta be able to sing this [TS]

01:36:09   nope you know until you find your dream [TS]

01:36:12   thank you you're welcome I don't even [TS]

01:36:15   know what song you're thinking of oh my [TS]

01:36:16   god yes you don't I'm sure I do know it [TS]

01:36:19   but darned if I could place it based [TS]

01:36:20   just on the lira see others had remember [TS]

01:36:22   that if married into this family and [TS]

01:36:24   it's not she is not genetically doomed [TS]

01:36:25   to not know anything about pop culture [TS]

01:36:27   like Marco is I can talk to her on the [TS]

01:36:29   level of the rest normal people [TS]

01:36:31   get my references ah that's why we are [TS]

01:36:35   team strong island John yep oh my god I [TS]

01:36:39   all right so is there anything else [TS]

01:36:44   unzell like I'm not trying to shut you [TS]

01:36:45   guys up I just I have nothing I can [TS]

01:36:47   contribute to this conversation anymore [TS]

01:36:48   so it is quite a big epic game as John [TS]

01:36:52   was just describing and I feel like if [TS]

01:36:54   you aren't ready to get into that or [TS]

01:36:57   that doesn't appeal to you than buying a [TS]

01:36:59   system just for this game probably [TS]

01:37:01   wouldn't be a great idea oh no I I think [TS]

01:37:03   if I were to buy a switch I would [TS]

01:37:05   probably get Zelda because I expect I [TS]

01:37:07   would like it but really the system [TS]

01:37:10   would just be a glorified Mario Kart [TS]

01:37:12   delivery system which is probably [TS]

01:37:14   preposterous inside my understanding is [TS]

01:37:16   the whatever version of mario kart that [TS]

01:37:19   ends up on the switch is not going to be [TS]

01:37:20   too terribly different than what's on [TS]

01:37:21   the wii u but you never played the wii u [TS]

01:37:23   1 so it's all know to you exactly also [TS]

01:37:26   you know i think some of this comes from [TS]

01:37:29   me just getting bowled over by seeing in [TS]

01:37:32   the like switch trailer or whatever you [TS]

01:37:35   want to call it that came out in like [TS]

01:37:36   October when they showed and I think was [TS]

01:37:39   a basketball game that they were showing [TS]

01:37:40   but they showed like a couple of people [TS]

01:37:43   playing the same game on one switch [TS]

01:37:45   which I thought was really clever but [TS]

01:37:47   even more clever was when they had like [TS]

01:37:49   a series of switches or switch I or [TS]

01:37:52   whatever around like in a circle in in [TS]

01:37:55   in the the implication was that they [TS]

01:37:57   were all linked together somehow and [TS]

01:37:59   they're all playing the same game across [TS]

01:38:00   like six different switches which I just [TS]

01:38:02   thought looked amazing and so I'm having [TS]

01:38:03   this vision of like me and my [TS]

01:38:05   sister-in-law getting are getting the [TS]

01:38:07   family together and being able to like [TS]

01:38:09   play mario kart across two different [TS]

01:38:13   switches against each other with each [TS]

01:38:14   other what have you and gosh only knows [TS]

01:38:16   if it'll even be supported but that's [TS]

01:38:17   the dream man and it just looks awesome [TS]

01:38:20   I I think your your hesitation on the [TS]

01:38:24   switch makes sense if the idea of [TS]

01:38:26   getting into this giant fantasy world [TS]

01:38:29   game is not massively pushing you to buy [TS]

01:38:33   it because like you know I bought it [TS]

01:38:36   because I had I had a good opportunity [TS]

01:38:37   to and there were a couple games on the [TS]

01:38:39   road map that I'm that I'm excited about [TS]

01:38:40   lightning regard also buy everything and [TS]

01:38:43   that [TS]

01:38:43   as well but you know I i bought it [TS]

01:38:47   because you know there were other stuff [TS]

01:38:49   there's other stuff like mario car on [TS]

01:38:50   the road map that I want and I bought [TS]

01:38:53   Zelda thinking that you know everyone [TS]

01:38:54   says this is an amazing game so maybe I [TS]

01:38:57   should try it even though I [TS]

01:38:58   traditionally do not like games like [TS]

01:39:01   this I mean and your son was Zelda for [TS]

01:39:03   Halloween I mean I Zelda sorry oh my [TS]

01:39:05   gosh I did it uh he was like for [TS]

01:39:07   halloween you're fine you're fine you [TS]

01:39:08   made the outfit here a lot of one slip [TS]

01:39:10   yeah oh and uh splatoon splatoon is [TS]

01:39:12   supposed to be really good I'll never [TS]

01:39:13   but never ever played that ever ever [TS]

01:39:14   ever so I I would probably pick that up [TS]

01:39:17   in my hypothetical world where I have a [TS]

01:39:19   switch right and so basically if you are [TS]

01:39:22   like me and if Zelda is not like the [TS]

01:39:25   massive thing that you absolutely must [TS]

01:39:27   do because you love games like this then [TS]

01:39:29   this is not the right time to buy a [TS]

01:39:30   switch because there's very little else [TS]

01:39:32   at right now I played that a like fast [TS]

01:39:35   rmx or something like that it's like [TS]

01:39:37   it's the wipeout clone it's cool it's [TS]

01:39:39   it's a decent game it's not amazing it [TS]

01:39:41   isn't that different from like the the [TS]

01:39:43   AG drive series on iOS like it's not [TS]

01:39:46   it's pretty much the same thing but more [TS]

01:39:47   expensive sent via snipper clips I [TS]

01:39:50   downloaded the demo I haven't launched [TS]

01:39:52   it yet but i'll try that next try that [TS]

01:39:54   you and Adam try that together he'll [TS]

01:39:55   show you how to play ok button but yeah [TS]

01:39:58   like I think it seeing Zelda seeing TIFF [TS]

01:40:02   play it and seeing you know she and I'm [TS]

01:40:04   enjoy it a lot that's great it's very [TS]

01:40:05   nice and cute to watch but boy am I glad [TS]

01:40:08   that I didn't play it because I would be [TS]

01:40:11   miserable it is so not my kind of game [TS]

01:40:13   and even though i can even though i can [TS]

01:40:15   respect how much everyone else seems to [TS]

01:40:18   say how good it is if you're not into [TS]

01:40:21   that kind of game i don't i don't think [TS]

01:40:23   this is going to sway you so all this is [TS]

01:40:25   to say that i'm sure glad that tiff is [TS]

01:40:28   playing this thing that I stupidly [TS]

01:40:29   bought and Casey if you are on the fence [TS]

01:40:33   about whether as el de is a big driver [TS]

01:40:35   for you to buy it I'd say you're safe to [TS]

01:40:37   wait hey John do you have those little [TS]

01:40:39   puppy stickers and out for the for the [TS]

01:40:42   controller like it's a little side slide [TS]

01:40:45   thingies no i do not have the puppy [TS]

01:40:46   fistic oh oh i don't use that controller [TS]

01:40:48   i just used the pro control it doesn't [TS]

01:40:50   matter i put the sticker on it just sits [TS]

01:40:51   on the table looks super cute it looks [TS]

01:40:54   like a little messed up [TS]

01:40:55   puppy its size all jacked up I have an [TS]

01:41:01   extra if you want it I'm betting he [TS]

01:41:04   doesn't you do yeah I'm not big on [TS]

01:41:06   putting stickers on my electronics not [TS]

01:41:08   sure if you heard no this is like a [TS]

01:41:09   legit like it's different this is [TS]

01:41:11   different John different so like one of [TS]

01:41:14   those static vinyl stickers that doesn't [TS]

01:41:16   actually leave any sticky stuff and come [TS]

01:41:17   on it'll be fine just put it on yeah you [TS]

01:41:20   put stickers on your keyboard though [TS]

01:41:22   didn't you me no I only have a tiny [TS]

01:41:24   little sticker no it's it's an overlay [TS]

01:41:26   for like the photoshop keyboard but it's [TS]

01:41:27   like a rubber thing you just like pick [TS]

01:41:29   up and it just traps all the dirt [TS]

01:41:31   underneath it so when you pick it up [TS]

01:41:32   it's so horrifying you just put it right [TS]

01:41:34   back down the dishwasher safe I don't [TS]

01:41:38   know I don't know that's never been [TS]

01:41:40   cleaned out enough no we just replace it [TS]

01:41:41   every three years or so yeah when it [TS]

01:41:43   starts like deteriorating and ripping [TS]

01:41:45   from hand oils well oh my god this is [TS]

01:41:48   getting gross run away yeah I wish Marco [TS]

01:41:51   you should you should watch TIFF plays [TS]

01:41:53   even though you're not into playing [TS]

01:41:54   she's gonna get it up to some she's [TS]

01:41:55   gonna get up to some business eventually [TS]

01:41:57   he does we just check out but she gets [TS]

01:41:59   up to yet falsely while you watch I fall [TS]

01:42:01   asleep within like the first five [TS]

01:42:03   minutes maybe baby that needs to involve [TS]

01:42:06   you more in like went once she has a [TS]

01:42:07   couple of projects in the works she can [TS]

01:42:10   explain to you what it is that she's [TS]

01:42:11   doing you can get into it or at least it [TS]

01:42:14   you could be a navigator and like decide [TS]

01:42:17   where you're going to go together and [TS]

01:42:18   you as a family can travel to far off [TS]

01:42:20   places you can look for the arrow [TS]

01:42:21   twinkle no this is the see this is adam [TS]

01:42:23   plays this role very very well as like [TS]

01:42:25   the copilot to tiff as she plays i am [TS]

01:42:28   not good at this I just fall asleep and [TS]

01:42:30   lose interest although he's getting [TS]

01:42:32   super useful now because when I have to [TS]

01:42:33   go to the bathroom I'm like here you [TS]

01:42:35   drive for a while and he like walks [TS]

01:42:37   around and picks up some stuff I can't [TS]

01:42:39   come back and you're in here in the [TS]

01:42:40   middle of the lake yeah it's mine he got [TS]

01:42:42   our horse lost for a little Owen would [TS]

01:42:45   you name your horse horse names are an [TS]

01:42:46   important thing in this game okay he [TS]

01:42:48   named the first horse um I can't [TS]

01:42:51   remember he know he just made it up some [TS]

01:42:54   word with that starts with an M anyway [TS]

01:42:56   the horse that i'm driving right now is [TS]

01:42:58   named our be like that like the [TS]

01:43:00   restaurant I don't know he thinks that [TS]

01:43:01   only legitimate words start with a like [TS]

01:43:04   his name so he picked up haha yeah [TS]

01:43:07   system work he also thinks that any [TS]

01:43:09   string of characters that starts with a [TS]

01:43:11   is a real word yeah yeah well for names [TS]

01:43:15   that you know that kind of work Oh [TS]

01:43:16   menina menina I think that that's what [TS]

01:43:19   he named the first horse but you might [TS]

01:43:21   have to like alternate naming rights for [TS]

01:43:22   horses if it's gonna continue like this [TS]

01:43:24   because you won't be able to keep them [TS]

01:43:25   straight yeah well I only have three so [TS]

01:43:26   far the first two we picked up with crap [TS]

01:43:29   but they're in the stable anyway and the [TS]

01:43:32   third one's pretty good rrb arbys [TS]

01:43:34   reliable he's a good horse it's a good [TS]

01:43:36   horse John cool well thank you tiff for [TS]

01:43:39   swinging by and dropping some knowledge [TS]

01:43:42   as usual all right drop with a fierce [TS]

01:43:44   knowledge on the video games I had to go [TS]

01:43:46   back to Celtic goodbye [TS]