100: Metacritical
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you're not supposed to argue with me our
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own myself this is hypercritical the
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weekly talk show ruminating on exactly
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what is wrong in the world of Apple and
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related technologies and businesses
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nothing is so perfect that can't be
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complained about by my friend and yours
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John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is
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Friday December 28th 2012 this is
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episode number 100 this is our final
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episode this is the very last episode of
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started at igloo software com / 5 by 5
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well here we are last lab very last
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episode hundred of hundred episodes
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after this one will be in the king
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that's true not a hundred episodes with
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me but 100 episodes in the feed was
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there only only one without you may be
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22 well you didn't let us put the one in
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the first one in but there was something
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in the feed with that number there was
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just your public service and 0 elsewhere
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correct correct alright episode 100 the
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final episode I've got a couple things
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planned for this episode but they're not
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gonna take too much time I think so
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people who are hoping for an eight hour
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final episode will be disappointed which
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is appropriate i think to be
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disappointed to disappoint dear your
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audience I'm the final episode yes I
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think they're already disappointed
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enough that you're not doing the show
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anymore there you go so that's what I'm
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saying if it's been a theme you just
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continue the wave yeah so we're gonna
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have a little bit of follow-up then I'm
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going to have my main topic for this
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show which is not very long and then
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we're going to end up with you asking me
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your questions okay for as long as you
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want to do that so like if I wanted to
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ask an hour two hours were the questions
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you're up with you're up for that well
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you'll be exhausted but
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you can't it people were asking that if
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you were going to filibuster me I don't
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know quite how that would work but yeah
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I would recommend against that but you
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know I said last week yeah you already
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have your questions repaired you said
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and I said to come up with one that you
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think would be a reasonable way to end
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the show and then I will flub it by
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giving a lame answer and then that will
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be it so do you thinks I'm like a plan
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that sounds like a good plan i remember
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the last time that i was permitted to
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ascii questions was for an episode of
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the pipeline where i interviewed you in
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a way that that show is a little bit
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that episode was a little bit like the
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predecessor to this whole this whole
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show that plus the gabe newell
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conversation episode you were on I was
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like come on do a show there you go and
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then that was this so there you my
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question is my questions by the way just
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a little teaser mm-hmm aren't gonna have
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nothing to do with technology nothing to
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do with your mac pro or the amount of
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RAM in it or tonight is or anything like
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that that you're all personal there you
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go what makes siracusa tick all right so
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let us start for the first time for the
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last time with follow up last episode I
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discussed the wii u that you were so
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kind to send me that we've been playing
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that my son has been playing non-stop
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since they came here and I said that
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once I got it and transferred my stuff
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over to it I realized after transferring
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my stuff that I wouldn't be able to play
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mario 64 with the gamecube controller
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anymore because now mario 64 is over on
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the wii u and the wii u doesn't support
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a gamecube controller a bunch of people
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sent me the links to people modding
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controllers which is apparently a
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burgeoning field i know they sell like
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adapters and most lots of other things
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like that but some people sort of have a
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do-it-yourself type mindset well they
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will take a dremel tool to a bunch of
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controllers and try to make sort of a
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frankan controller and one popular theme
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is taking various controllers and wiring
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them up to the bottom of a wii remote
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the links i put in the show note show
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notes about this are about someone
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modding be a wee classic controller
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remember that thing it's not the Wii U
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pro yeah yeah similar yeah two analog
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sticks d-pad buttons and like little
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kind of horn type handles on it and so
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what this guy did is open that thing up
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chopped out the the printed circuit
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board part of it mm-hm and then take a
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gamecube controller and pull out its
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guts and then take the chopped up
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classic controller circuit board put it
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inside the gamecube controller and then
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a wire all of the controls on the
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gamecube controller to the printed
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circuit board actually solder it on
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there to the printed circuit board from
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the classic controller so it's basically
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a classic controller as far as the wii
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is concerned but all the controls
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instead of being hooked up to the
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thumbsticks on the classic controller
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the hooked up to the thumbsticks on on
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the gamecube controller and all the
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buttons and so on and so forth it's
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amazing that actually works but i guess
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you know it's all nintendo all on the
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family and all the buttons and switches
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and analog sticks and similar signals
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and so it ends up working of course this
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is not a it is a do-it-yourself job if
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you are very comfortable with soldering
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and it's not super precise like micro
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soldering but it's precise enough that
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lots of contacts have to be soldered
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very close to each other and you have to
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you know be careful iming it's not
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something that I would want to try
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myself but apparently people do this and
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then they sell their handiwork so this
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is a reddit thread where someone posted
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pictures and then also a link to a forum
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thread where the person shows the
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step-by-step things I tried to find this
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presses name they can only come up with
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uh or is it gum oh yeah good old gum
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oped Gummo and then i read it he's gum
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owned no and there's i also put a link
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into one of the various adapters which
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is the re the wii retro pad adapter to
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that this is another wee thing not a way
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you think but it lets you connect again
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to the bottom where we mode and then
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have another plug that into which you
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plug an adapter cable where you can have
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all sorts of control nes SNES
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playstation playstation 2 gamecube
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nintendo 64 Neo Geo CD and Sega Saturn
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all those controllers you can use making
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them look like classic controllers to
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the way I'm assuming all the same things
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already work with the wii u or similar
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hacks will come out and work with wii u
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so there's hope for anybody who wants to
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play any sort of game with their console
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using a classic controller any things
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are pretty cheap tillich adapters like
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25 bucks and the extension cables like
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10 bucks for all of them so it's a
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market by hobbyists for obvious and also
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that some of these adapter things they
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provide like the plans for you to make
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your own so if you don't want to buy one
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from this guy and you just want to do it
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yourself you can buy all the parts
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yourself and assemble them and solder
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them together and everything pretty neat
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alright next bit of follow-up is from
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Jesse lane he was the first person to
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successfully save me from myself when it
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comes to mac address filtering on my
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wireless network I shall talked about my
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difficulties and setting up new devices
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with because I have mac address
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filtering on my home network and a lot
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of devices don't show you the mac
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address at the point where i would need
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it they just want you to get on the
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network and before you're allowed to see
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what the mac addresses which is
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frustrating so a lot of people responded
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and tweets an email saying you shouldn't
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do mac address filtering it's dumb and
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that's not it's not helpful because the
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show i explained you know you said water
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here yeah here's why I do it and then I
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said if anyone can tell me why the
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reasons that I do it don't make any
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sense by all means do so but just
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telling me it's dumb doesn't tell me
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that you know you're you know so to
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review i was saying i did the mac
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address filtering not because i thought
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it was impossible like the tiger was a
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security barrier because anybody can
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pretend to have any mac address they
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want that's simple right my idea was
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that so fine someone looks at my network
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and sees the mac addresses of some
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devices that are on it says okay i'm
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going to spoof that mac address my
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assumption was that that person would
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have a bad experience using my network
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because if he's trying to use a mac
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address that is the same as another
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device on the network the two would
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conflict with each other and it will
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make that person said and you know
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things won't work right so and people
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who didn't address that it says you
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shouldn't do mac address filtering it's
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it's pointless you shouldn't do it you
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know they never gave me a reason they
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never acknowledge that they heard what i
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was saying he said you know people can
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spoof a maggot as well yeah of course I
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said that on the show
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sometimes it just doesn't fit in 140
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characters if it's a tweet or something
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but Jesse Lane was the first person to
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fried an actual explanation to show you
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listen to the show he said I'm a
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security professional that has done a
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fair bit of work and wireless he says he
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doesn't think mac address filtering news
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worth do anymore he confirms that yes
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even if you have a wpa2 network or
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whatever all the MAC addresses of course
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are visible because that's a layer 2
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thing so and it's trivial to spoof MAC
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address like I said on the show which
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acknowledged and he said it's incorrect
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to assume that the person stealing your
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mac address will have a bad experience
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because the two conflicting MAC
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addresses the network what will happen
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he says is the traffic will go to the
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whichever MAC address most recently
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responded to an ARP request so the
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malicious person on the network just can
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send what he calls gratuitous arps to
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say oh I'm the one who has that IP
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address i'm a bit mac address and that
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will effectively prevent your legitimate
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house from ever getting a chance to talk
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i put a link in the show notes to arp
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address resolution protocol you can look
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up what that is but basically once
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someone gets your mac address and spoofs
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it they can very quickly flood the
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network with with gratuitous arp
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responses saying oh I'm you know I'm the
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guy with that mac address I'm over here
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and it's this IP address so just keep
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doing that and the other device since
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it's not malicious and not trying to
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steal it's you know steal an address
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will never get any more packets and
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we'll just sort of sit there and be sad
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uh so and he says okay even without
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gratuitous arp sees had to be easy to
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just watch my network and select a mac
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address of a client that's not used very
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often ah like that's that's less likely
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because most of my devices that are on
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the Wi-Fi on all the time but uh that's
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worth pointing out to and he says most
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importantly wpa2 is very strong
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encryption and he compares putting the
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mac address filtering on it's a bit like
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locking the latch hook on on a screen
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door when you have a reinforced steel
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security door right behind it so his
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advice is to just use wpa two with a
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long good password and turn off mac
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filter and that's what i did so i am now
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mac address filtering free on my home
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wireless network and the last bit of my
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defense is that this is one of those
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things where you have to reevaluate
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stuff as time going on because i put the
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mac address filtering back when I had
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WEP when when the security was a joke
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right long long ago and just never
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turned it off I just kept it on because
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through a series of apple airport uh
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wireless things that it keeps importing
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my setting and I just never turned it
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off there well you know it was a good
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thing to have on when you know the head
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web security that was easy to break was
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just one extra layer of you know one
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more hurdle for hackers to overcome not
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a particularly high hurdle but you know
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I just want to make it difficult but at
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this point it is now completely moved
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and I have turned off negative shall
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drink so thank you to Jesse lane let
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that be a lesson to anyone else out
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there who's doing that guy dress
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filtering on their network although it
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seems like I may be the only one in the
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entire world all right and the final
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piece of follow-up a lot of people in
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posting retrospectives about the show
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yeah there's been a bunch of really cool
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things going on yeah they make their own
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like uh you know supercuts will go cut
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together the favorite parts of the show
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in audio form some of them are like a
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five minutes worth of fun Clips some of
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them are 20 minute long things I've been
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reading them listening to them thanks to
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everyone who made one that's a lot of
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work to go through so it does uh you
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were recognized as a true fan but one in
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particular stuck out and this was by
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jonathan man who for the longest time I
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just assumed was related Merlin man like
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cuz doesn't it if Merlin mad had like a
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younger brother don't you think it would
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be Jonathan man I you know that they do
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have some things in common I and I guess
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all right the musical stuff and like he
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just went a different direction in his
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life and sort of Merlin you know did the
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music thing but then kind of went in a
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different direction and his younger
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brother was kind of following his
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footsteps and doing music thing and sort
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of went whole hog with it right this is
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sort of younger and more more energetic
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and vibrant still you know doesn't have
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those deep furrows his face huh anyway
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there is actually no relation as far as
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that's called Jonathan man's the freakin
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genius yeah and what one of the people
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Bob exists whether we're here or not Dan
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now you're getting it yeah so under
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sponsor before we dive into the main
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mugs you can do that but you know I
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types of fu we have Corrections which is
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expansions where it's like you know
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clarify it so what's so bad about follow
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just like on the show right here before
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we got to this part where you were talk
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about what's wrong with a hyper go to
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podcast we have to follow up it so that
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delayed this discussion and a common
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tweet from fans the show or things I see
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you know going back forth between people
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after we do a show or some topic comes
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up we'll say oh there was a great
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discussion about whatever this topic is
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you know in hypercritical episode number
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96 I just you know check it out and skip
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the inoperable another podcast that I
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made by Jason Snell he usually runs that
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account for other people tweet to it as
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well I think uh here it is it says if
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you liked our bed at high school episode
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check out Syracuse on hypercritical this
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starts 57 minutes in so that type of
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thing where whenever anyone wants to
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recommend the show to someone else they
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have to say I'll here check this one out
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and like skip a half an hour an hour
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into the show because they don't want to
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say I'll just check this out because if
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you just start listening you're like I
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thought they said this was gonna be
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about you know whatever that like the
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bad of high school stuff and I'm
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listening and he's talking about that
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stuff right anytime you know it anytime
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anyone talks about the show they have to
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give some sort of minute marker type
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thing and I find myself holding back
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from suggesting episodes of my own
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podcast of people just so I can avoid
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having to explain that I'll be checkers
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episode but you have to skip to a
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certain marker pointer skip skip a
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quarter of the show to get to the good
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part it makes the podcast harder to
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share with people and it makes it harder
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to get into if you're a new listener
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because the follow-up is not relevant to
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you if you didn't hear the previous
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episode if you just chase that all the
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way back you end up having to start
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listening for episode 1 which is two
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years ago and that's not really uh
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tenable and also the follow-up makes
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each episode longer because instead of
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just starting right in with a new thing
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that we want to talk about a new episode
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that you know 10 15 20 30 40 sometimes
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apparently 57 minutes of stuff before
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the actual topic of the show just makes
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every episode longer so a couple of
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remedies for the follow-up have been
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recommended over the years one early on
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people saying why don't we just put the
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fall but the end ha so like so could
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listen and say don't forget it I don't I
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don't wanna hear anymore this and then
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this stop or yeah but you get like the
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you get whatever the main topic is
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immediately so if you if there we did
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some cool show like you know video game
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controllers something you could say oh
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there was this episode about this uh
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check it out and just give you the link
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to episode whatever and you'd start
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listening and you would hear immediately
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after the little intro you'd hear about
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video can we control switch is what your
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then at the end you would have the
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suggested and I rejected it because it
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breaks continuity the way we do it with
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develop on the front preserves
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continuity because like on an episode
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build on topic a so if we didn't do the
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follow-up in the beginning say we're
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talking about topic be we'd have to have
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add some sort of waffling like I know
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that we said last week the blah blah
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blah but that isn't actually true which
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you'll see when we get to the follow up
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at the end like you can't you can't move
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on until you've addressed the follow up
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you want to talk about it and
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light of the new revelations or new
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clarifications or expansions at the top
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from last week so follow up at the
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engines does not work for me people have
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suggested adding a chapter marker in the
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file itself are having separate
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follow-up episodes like a little mini
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episode and then the main episode or
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having a separate feed for follow-up all
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three of those solutions aside from the
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production related issues which you can
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speak to to say whether that would be
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feasible or whatever uh is that they all
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encourage skipping of the follow-up
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because the reason you'd want to have
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that marker and other stuff is like oh
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well there's that the follow up is sort
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of isolated if you don't want to listen
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to you can jump right past that I don't
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want people who don't pass that I want
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people to actually listen to the fall so
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why why why do we have follow-up why is
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it there after all these bad things I've
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said it but I truly believe the
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follow-up really is a big downside to
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the show that you know really stops it
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from being accessible and stops from
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being shared and all the things you
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would want like if you wanna make a
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popular podcast you wanted to be easily
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shared you want people to be jumped to
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jump right and so why do I do it ah well
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I think it's part of the theme of the
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shows that are the dedication to getting
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things correct have the attention to
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detail and you know in the highfalutin
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version that the search for truth or you
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know when as close as we can get and
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continuity like you know where you start
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listening and we're talking about things
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that we did in the last show continuity
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repels casual Lister's but it also
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rewards dedicated listeners because they
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feel like oh now I'm resuming this thing
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in progress I think we've seen this
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recently with television shows as well
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where people used to be allergic to
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continuity on television people who made
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TV shows would try to make everything
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episodic but slowly but surely
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television series have been learning
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that yes continuity does make it hard to
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get into a program but with time
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shifting and everything it's easier for
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people to start from the beginning or
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you know get it on DVD or streamer door
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whatever and continuity rewards the
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people who are dedicated fans of the
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show so that's sort of flipped around
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podcasting enthusiastic fans want to
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hear more about the topics that
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interested in so if I talk about some
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topic and you know you're interested in
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it you're happy when you start the next
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show to hear more on that topic or some
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sort of fall pour a little tidbit fob
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also of course rewards the individual
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listeners who write in with the
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hearing their name is pronounced on the
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air and it's exciting that is a thrill
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yeah they get to participate in the
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conversation not really like you know
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real-time like a call-in show but they
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get to be a participant in a
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conversation that those thing to all be
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with a massive time delay sometimes they
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get to fault their own follow up on the
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next show so they can have sort of a you
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know an even longer conversation and all
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this I think encourages hardcore fans
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and helps the show by harvesting
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information that would otherwise be
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locked away in listeners minds so you
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know if you ever listen to a podcast and
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you get frustrated because the host of
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like wondering about something and you
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know the answer damn you wished you just
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yell into the thing like no no like here
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let me tell you what it is well
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follow-up provides an outlet for that
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frustration instead of just going these
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dopes don't they know or you know or if
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you know the answer you can't yell back
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into the pipe guess but if you know that
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follow-up is part of the format you can
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say well soon as I get home I'm gonna
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bang on email and say hey guys you were
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asking about XYZ I know about that
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here's the answer and not only is an
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outlet for the frustration for them but
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I'm now reaping the benefits of having a
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smart informed audience like you know
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presumably someone in our audience knows
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a lot about you know wireless security
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or history of video game controllers or
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how Intel does their CPUs or whatever
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I'm benefiting from that so I despite
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the fact that I think this is clear all
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of us clear the biggest thing that's
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wrong with the show those are all the
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reasons that I keep it and you know
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early on decided to keep it and it stuck
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with it and the other thing about
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follow-up is it it could be that
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follow-up ends up being the most
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enduring aspect of of the shows i was
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thinking about this I'd listen to a lot
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of other pot gets a lot about the five
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by five podcast and a lot of them do
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follow-up uh sometimes like ironically
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or jokingly like for the people who
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happen to know me like Marco our Merlin
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will say oh yeah and I've got a little
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piece of follow-up or whatever and
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they're doing it kind of half joke haha
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like it's not a dedicated part of the
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format but anytime I do have something
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like that they'll throw it in right uh
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but even on shows like I can geek Friday
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I don't think either of the hosts of
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geek Friday ever listened to my show and
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yet they have follow-up as well and I
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wonder you know kind of like cutting the
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ends off the roast you know that story
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woman is making a roast or something and
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she's cutting off the ends of it
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the ends of your roasters oh well you
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know my mother always cut the ends off
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you always have to do that makes the
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Rose come out better and then they asked
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the mother you know your daughter said
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you always have to cut off the ends of
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the rose when you put in the of it makes
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come out better while you do that so
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well my grandmother you know my mother
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your grandmother always cut the ends off
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throws you have to do that or as it
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doesn't come out right and so they asked
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the grandmother why'd you cut the ends
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roasting pans were too small so I always
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like three generations no no one knows
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why you're cutting the ends off the
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roses like oh that's what you do when
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you make roast right it's just the right
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thing too so I'm wondering if like the
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people who do geek Friday do they know
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where follow-up comes from and even like
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outside the network you know that the
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second incarnation of the talk show
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which is no longer even on five by five
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you know this is my lasting legacy is
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five degrees separator from five by five
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mention that they're going to do
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follow-up and have no idea why they're
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doing that or where that term came from
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or where that format I mean I'm maybe
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I'm not the first person ever to do fall
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out but I think I can trace a straight
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line through from my follow-up to the
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very least Marco and merlyn's follow-up
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probably the Friday's fall property
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there is some merit to this idea perhaps
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not to the degree that I did it in my
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show but you know every show is
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different all right item number two that
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is wrong with the hypercritical podcast
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of the title I think there are probably
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very few people who have positive
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feelings about the word hypercritical in
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people who don't already know about the
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podcast or blog or anything else like
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that it it repels most normal people
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with negative implications of the work
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because like being critical as a bad
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thing in most circles being critical
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hurts people's feelings and hyper
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critical is even worse hi from critical
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is being needlessly critical like you're
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being a jerk like you're not just being
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critical but you bring hypercritical so
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you're just a super-duper jerk and so
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why would you want a podcast about
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hurting people's feelings needlessly it
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just turns it's a big turnoff it just
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turns people off uh and you know I
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acknowledge that now what so why do I
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have this title well the first reason is
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that the ARS technica article that I
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wrote several years before the podcast
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had the same name as its title is titled
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protocol and that was the inspiration
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the content of the show everything about
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the show a link to this articles in the
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show notes one last time if you still
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haven't found it ah that's not exactly a
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reason to use it for the title the
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podcast but that's why I originally
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picked it second reason is that it's
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kind of a hedge against criticism
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because people are going to say I
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listened that show the guys so picky and
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he's got so many complaints and and you
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even very short podcasts split up into
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off-putting but like you know when i'm
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logical and you know they just I well I
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split up like you know it even even
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ignoring the session length issue like I
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just want to have one listening session
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it needs to be a certain length and I
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said some people just don't have time to
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listen to two hours of audio in the week
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like maybe they don't have a commute or
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maybe they don't have two hours with
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dishes to wash or maybe they prefer
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music most of the time right and so if
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if your podcast is good enough a 30
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of snagging people who don't normally
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right well I don't normally have a place
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again don't have a commuter don't I to
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listen to music other times or whatever
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if the podcast is really good and it's
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like 30-60 minutes maybe you can get
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some of those guys but it's like 90 or
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120 minutes forget it like it's really
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hard to get those people to come over to
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listen to your podcast if it's just so
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uh and so why the heck of my show so
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long and by the way there was another
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there's another more complicated
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analysis of show length still showing a
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the show length won't drop to zero there
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would just be no more shows yeah I guess
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I you're right uh so so why is this so
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long well the first thing is that
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preparation for the show makes shows
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shorter because when I know what I'm
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do i'ma quarter through whatever but
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preparation for each oh the the limiting
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these topics and thoroughness is part of
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the theme of the show right I said about
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my writing before that like the most
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for a good or for ill is to get all the
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ideas I have out onto the page every
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something it's like oh I wanted to also
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make one particular point about this one
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control in the interface and I have to
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didn't make that point because I just
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didn't have room or something so I want
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to get it out and of course fault makes
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the same sort of thoroughness theme but
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it's but it's like you said like I have
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if I have what to say I want to get it a
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lot i don't feel satisfied if I haven't
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and I think that fits with the theme of
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the show that you know not wanting to
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let things go the thoroughness you know
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the attention to detail just the
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obsessed the general obsessiveness of
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the entire endeavor and that just plain
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results in long show so the preparation
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with the preparation all does is let me
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get my you know umpteen points out and
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make sure to make sure I got them all
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out and didn't miss any ah yeah next
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item and you touched on this already and
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maybe they should've been higher listed
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domination of a single voice which is
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mine no matter how much you like a
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person hearing too much from them can
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start to wear you down
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you you Dan are the co-host of the show
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but for the most part you let me talk
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when I want to talk well sir I mean I'd
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say this to Merlin is a joke it's your
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show this really is it's your show this
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your form of my role here from from day
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one is just to be supportive of that be
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give help help you keep this platform
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and you know the best it can be we're in
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sync today damn because the very next
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item of my whole point is it's my show
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you know as you're so fond of saying
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well you finally shared your notes with
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me yeah there you go I and this is in
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general how I want things uh but the
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downside of this format is that siracusa
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fatigue is a real risk especially with
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long shows right uh you know and a
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corollary to this is that this format of
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you know the single voice dominant thing
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makes it much harder for me to not that
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I'm good at this already but makes much
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harder for me to do any sort of decent
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interview like when we had Jeff Atwood
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on I talked to all rim which was always
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rude and terrible that's great but that
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like if you get acclimated to that it's
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like when you do the hyper go to a
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podcast you go into hyper critical
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podcast mode in your use of just being
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the singular voice uh that doesn't fit
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with lots of other formats like for
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example doing an interview type thing uh
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show and in general having a single boys
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entire shows worth of material so I'm
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controllers it might my own pet
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programming language peeves and things
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like that tons of stuff on tivo even if
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the rest of the world is not that
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interested in tivo toasters like you
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name it single voice means that you get
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everything that comes with that the good
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and the bad right and if it was a more
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balanced show like a second opinion
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could help veto topics that are too
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narrow or you know or at least rein me
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in when I'm wearing out my welcome on a
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single topic or something like that and
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that would help the show have broader
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appeal because if it was like if it was
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like an equal type of show where you
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time they could balance each other and
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try to get something that had a broader
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appeal because if you're not interested
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in things that I'm interested in a
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single voice show like this you just
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like like people skip entire episodes
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programming languages I just tuned out
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not the way to have a
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popular show was brought appeal so what
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why is this a single boy show i
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is what I wanted out of the show I
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podcast and it was my podcast and I got
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hmm because I've tried and failed
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with no co-host and it just does not
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work uh and I'm the wing of the wind
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beneath your wings if you yes and we
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remember when you went on vacation or
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when the Brisby move their house that's
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where I'm at in your movies that's
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exactly what it was the rats and the
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alleys and yes yes that I meaning in
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every detail exactly like someone got
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crushed underneath a cinder block it was
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messy Oh ademas sorry Helen when you and
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you had a guest host stand in so he was
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Ireland yeah I think Ryan Ireland uh
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stood in for for me back then he did a
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great job and he'd also hosted the show
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ever talking to me in person and the
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certain essential ingredient to this
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podcast ah so I think that does have to
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different then the shows that the you
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host but I wanted the overall show to
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have a singular voice the same way I got
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your own blog has a singular voice right
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like you know hi vulajin or something
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like that is your voice it's not and
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it's not even moderated by a co-host or
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anything basement blog you don't need to
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what this one person has say I go on
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this is his podcast I'll listen to him
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talk right and part of your roles also
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that you are sort of standing in you are
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the advocate for the audience a little
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bit like right whether it's just looking
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questions that are going to come up in
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the audience's mind and so on and so
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follow-up because we won't you know we
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get a something that's not hun percent
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will channel that but when I hear you
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say something a lot at the time and I
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just there's something in my gut it says
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wait a minute this doesn't happen a lot
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technical stuff because they you you've
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what are they going to say to that and
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I'm you know you've got it I've got to
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jump in so maybe it's just that maybe
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it's just that you feel that you know
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you're not alone talking into a mic and
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even though you know there's an audience
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I did it makes it more of a discussion
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even though it's it's pretty much your
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turn on the podium the whole time yeah
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yeah so like i said i think i think that
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does limit the appeal of the show
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because no matter how it's like if
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anybody think of your favorite celebrity
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like like a Ricky Gervais so like say
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you're a big fan of him or something I
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mean he's he's great if it were my
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choice you're my favorite celebrity he
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was just a show with him totally even
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the shows that he does he has this
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partner that be kind of bounces off but
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it's more equal night so just having
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like having a single person dominated
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blog I feel it much easier to deal with
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painting horses you just want to you
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what's wrong with the show like the same
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things that make the people who really
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recognizing that maybe that's actually
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love you right so you know this is much
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better to do that than to do the
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opposite you know you want to have both
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let me just do things that is going to
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make the world love me and make this a
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wildly popular show you will not be
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happy because you won't be doing what it
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to be able to do this to be able to say
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just make the show about what I want and
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not care that I'm limiting the appeal to
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show but those are things that are you
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perspective of most people all right I'm
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ready for your cues all right let me see
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what I'm where I can start now I some of
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these questions I believe may have not
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perhaps some of them again so one could
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statement I have a prepared state you
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may well I would like to say thanks very
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much to you for doing this show not just
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for doing it in general but for doing
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100 episodes of it you know we said on
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the show few episodes back where you
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announced it was coming to an end and I
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yeah i'll do i'll do a few we'll see
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what happens i'll do a few more we'll
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see what happened and it's been such a
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great run it's been so much fun for me
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every single episode doing the show with
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you it's it's done so much for me on a
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personal level I know it's done a
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tremendous amount for the folks that
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lived listened in all this time and and
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it's just been something great to to
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have on five by five and thanks to you
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for doing it and I'm glad you said yes
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and anytime you want to come back on
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anything ever will be here so thanks
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John so what did the beginning not Dan
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sleep well most likely kill you in the
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morning alright so here's the question
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what is a day in the life like for John
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siracusa the irregular guy I don't care
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I don't care about yours I'm not gonna
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ask you what your thoughts on techna
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where do you think we'll be headed in
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2015 with portable computing I whole
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cares about that crap that's a blog post
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I want to I want to get to know the man
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once again what's a day in your life
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like as personal as you care to get it's
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pretty boring it's let let us be the
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judge of that place alright so I wake up
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wake up before the kids wake up go down
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when she showered she prepares to lunch
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I take my shower I'm out of the shower
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get them onto the bus they go off onto
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the bus I eat my breakfast go into work
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spend all day at work around 5pm leave
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work pick up my kids from school because
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they're both in the same school now
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which is convenient uh pick them up get
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all their stuff bring them back home
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make a dinner feed them dinner make sure
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they do their homework and their reading
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teeth brushed into bed bath if it's a
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bath day and once they go to sleep then
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my time begins you know about my time
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alone time quality alone time no it's
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time has not been my time my time has
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works time now finally I have time to do
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couple television shows then go to bed
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show or sometime before a show i'm doing
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show prep and then going to bed or if I
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go to bed occasionally I will you know
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doodle around the computer for a little
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bit but in general I try not to be on
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the computer and after work I'm trying
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computer you know that if there's a
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video game that I'm playing maybe I
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an hour of television and then go to bed
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that's that's it that's a typical day
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weekend days are different because they
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them too but it's similar what's your
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commute like half an hour 45 minutes
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car listening to podcasts headphones are
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that supports it through the stereo I do
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it through stereo if I not I do
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headphones but you're only allowed to
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Massachusetts while you're driving I
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it's not here and I'm missing this
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two voices as many people were surprised
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show you you do not write full time for
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full time I do not you have a job you
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undisclosed Boston health care company
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yep I got a j.o.b job but but what you
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call course dude shop yep and you are do
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you enjoy your work I do for the most
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people like you know you don't like
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right for all time for our Tecna would
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you like to like is that what you really
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podcasting and I think the answer is
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do programming like I can't take it
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anymore like I I don't want to be a
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program your ID I like programming I
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like doing it and it's something that
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apparently i can do for years on end
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without getting bored with it because
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it's just always one interesting problem
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after another and this you know
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interesting problems to be solved
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whereas i think if i did podcasting full
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time are writing full-time i'm not sure
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i would have the sort of the same
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endurance it's hard for me to tell
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because those two activities are always
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like be the extras added onto my
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full-time job so maybe it's just that
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you know I I feel like I couldn't
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possibly take being a writer full time
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because I just know how exhausting it is
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writing but I'm doing the writing on top
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of my normal you know for the hour-plus
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job week so but anyway I do enjoy
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program and I do like still doing it
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like you know at various times at
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various jobs I've had different amounts
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other people and having done a little
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bit of that that does not appeal to me
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as much as just being a programmer does
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right so I maybe I'm limiting my own
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possible success in my working life by
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having that opinion but that's that's
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what I like doing I like programming if
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all of a sudden you were wealthy beyond
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your wildest dreams you had enough for
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your family you had enough for your
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children your children's children and
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there was no more that you could
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possibly do to get paid to increase that
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wealth no matter how hard you worked or
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what you invest it was just it was there
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it was done would you still work and
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what would you do I would probably start
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a software company
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to do with my free time after spending
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tremendous amount of free time doing all
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getting a new house and buying nice cars
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you go sit on the beach or anything that
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I can't indulge well the new house would
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in cars but they don't have enough money
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interested in living by the beach but
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can't afford that so I would do all that
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but once I was done with that like what
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you know setting up a really fancy
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entertainment center lots of cool
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computers and all that stuff I would
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probably start a software company I
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myself would be a developer and I would
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write software for the mac for iOS and
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stuff like that uh whatever kind of
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software i wanted i wouldn't care
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whether it's old because hey i don't
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have to worry about money anymore now
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basically i would have enough money to
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sort of find the best programmers that i
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know and pay them lots of money to
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like my dream is just not to have to
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work so you know is I'm the team if you
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you know some people have the j-o-b job
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what drives me nuts is you know
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next so some people like the
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you said you know what even though going
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switch is if I just didn't have to worry
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but if you could remove all the risk
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yeah that's since I'm motivated by fear
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of I uncertainty and fear of loss all I
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want is for that to be taken away for
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everything to be taken care of and just
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only thing I have to worry about is just
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you know my health and safety and and
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stuff like that and not to worry about
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money anymore like forest gump in the
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forest gump movie where he's like ah got
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the email we got the apple stock or
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whatever and he says man told me I
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wouldn't have to worry about money
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anymore it's one less thing yeah that's
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it's that one less thing is the one main
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thing because you know all security in
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the modern civilized world traces itself
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back to money so I'm much more
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comfortable having a steady paycheck
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even if it's not a big paycheck you know
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going in on my own because because of
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all the associated risk and uncertainty
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that comes with that that would just
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stress me out I'm much more comfortable
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in my corporate stooge job ok I've got
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more questions for you get to do our
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don't have kids but it's kind of geared
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for you know you have a lot of apparent
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I know it if you have kids in your home
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you probably have like a gallery of
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their our work whether it's you know
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drawings that they've done or
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achievements or report cards things like
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that up on the fridge eventually though
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you run out of room so you want to take
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something down be like wow I like that
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one or he wanted that one still up there
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so what do you do you feel guilty and
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you take the stuff down well you don't
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have to do that anymore they there is a
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new iPad app called an infinite
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refrigerator it's fri was six so when
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your kitchen refrigerator doesn't have
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any more space you have one of these in
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a virtual one you tap and drag and you
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create a little magnet and your child's
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nized refrigerator and use the magnet to
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hang a digital photo of their
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accomplishment this is all in the ipad
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act very cool you can add a title
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account of the description you can even
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have your kid describing the photo of
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this artwork or whatever it is in their
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own voice and unlike your real fridge
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the infinite refrigerator keeps this
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stuff forever you can click on a
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calendar that's by the little fridge and
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you travel through time to see what the
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frig look like last week last month last
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year you get all those annotations with
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it it's really really cool and comes
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with that like a blue fridge if you want
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to unlock other colors you can do that
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for a buck 99 but it's free to start out
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with its it infinite refrigerator dot
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com go check it out save your kids are
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don't throw stuff out this is a real
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problem that I didn't think about before
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I was apparent but now that I am like
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they produce a tremendous amount of work
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and and it's all good stuff you don't
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want to throw it all out but at a
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certain point you're like all right well
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like it's me having a fire hazard we
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have to we have to prune and so you we
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do the thing where we take pictures I
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mean I guess that's what this Apple
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before but you know dedicate that but
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like you know you weeded out and you're
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like oh ok well we just kind of throw
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stuff out but at least take a picture of
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that one because it's cute and ya know
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what the thing is you're taking a
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picture of it sometimes a year after it
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was done so then you have to have some
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other way to note what the date of the
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thing is everything and we only did some
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we're pruning so I should check out this
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app to see if it will help ya ah now
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although I wish it were just confined to
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my fridge because my kids stuff is just
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spreading over the walls of this listen
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it's nice but uh yeah dude you have I
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don't know how much how what's the
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artistic output of your children at this
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point uh the boy will I mean he's at
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school it seems like they come home with
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something I'm almost every day sometimes
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they'll work on something for a couple
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days you know get a little bit of space
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but he's he's very into he's in a stage
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now where he's starting it into like
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remote control cars and building things
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with Legos as we say you know and that
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kind of stuff now so the drawing output
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has decreased but the shrinky dink
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output has increased
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so and those all have magnets attached
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to them so they go up on the fridge also
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shrink eating said my name is what you
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can you can they come with a little
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amount block of magnet yeah after
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they've been cooked you can glue it on I
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remember shrinky dinks i don't think i
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ever did them with my kids I don't know
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they still made him yeah they're they're
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quite expensive for the two sheets that
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you get for 15 bucks but there there are
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a lot of fun they come with some pencils
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draw it in we're on this we moved from
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the Spongebob as he has matured from
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spongebob to spider-man now so I did
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spider-man shrinky dinks as a kid it was
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my big shrinky dink that I was my
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shrinky dink topic area what do you
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think it was in your childhood that set
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you on the path to become a software
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developer not a computer guy because we
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talked about that play on this show but
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they'd set you on the path that said i
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would i would like to develop software
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for living and that's my goal and that's
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what makes me happy almost nothing in my
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childhood because like i was i was
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exposed to programming for a very early
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age like when you when you learn
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computers quote unquote that's what they
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called in the 80s you should really
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learn the amp you learn computers right
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i took my parents maybe take a typing
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course because you're gonna have to know
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how to type so i don't know how old I
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am on the Apple to like supposedly
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learning how to type with some sort of
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typing program it didn't take because
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I'm a bad student and don't pay
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attention and again I took typing on IBM
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Selectric electric typewriters in high
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school also didn't take even though they
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told me the correct way to type by then
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it was too late so I do not type the
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right way but that's what you know
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learning computers was both that and
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then the second thing you learned in the
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learning computers class besides typing
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was basic mmm and you know 10 print
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hello 20 go to 10 right you know the
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whole nine yards and so I've been
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programming since I could use computer
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like I'm the vic-20 you could write
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basic programs and stuff and when I got
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the mac i had the what is it was a
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microsoft basic 10 whatever one of the
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basic whichever basic program came with
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the little picture on the box it showed
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showed you how to make a globe out of a
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bunch of ellipses you know horizontal
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and vertical ones i'll remember that one
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yeah it was like you had you had a
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window drawing window and one window you
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had to program the other window ya know
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I wasn't logo I never did the turtle
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logo the only time I saw laga was on mr.
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wizard and I looked at in a cell that's
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interesting but and HyperCard I did
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hyper hyper contacts with writing and
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whole time if you had asked me do you
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want to be a computer programmer
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currently I would say no God no I hate
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that like I was only using as a means to
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an end this you did basic because like
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that's one of the few things you can do
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with the vic-20 is you can write your
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own little basic program so you could
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read them from magazines and type them
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in but I had just a some sort of
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terrible mental barrier like if someone
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had sat down with me eight years old and
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explained to me how programming works
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I'm like oh like you need that that I
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get it moment and I did not have that I
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get at moment you know but lots of
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people have those I get a moment's like
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with math where you finally understand
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algebra then you finally understand
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calculus or whatever you know at a
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certain point you're just like going
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through the motions but then when you
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finally get it you say oh I see I see
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what's going ahead then you can go off I
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never got that moment with programming
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so I would just sit there banging out
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stuff in you know basic or hyper talk or
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whatever didn't didn't you know do any C
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or anything like that when I was a kid
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even in high school we didn't have any
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programming classes I don't think we had
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like a computer class but you just used
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computers and you didn't really program
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them so nothing in my childhood made me
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suspect that I would ever want to be a
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programming and I didn't even understand
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program I think I told this story before
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when uh I was trying to write myself a
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text adventure because i was with gamer
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computer gamer from early on i'm like
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text adventure you know I know enough
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basic I feel like I could write a text
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adventure you know never realizing a
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hard just actually write a text
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adventure but ah I was trying to write
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my you know so you find yourself in a
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field ball blog directions north south
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east west and then you know get the
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input and then see what it is that they
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wrote and tell them if they wrote
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something was incorrectly to incorrect
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and then if they wrote something was
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correct bring into the next room right
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only I didn't understand what this term
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in the mac basic forum gosub meant i had
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no idea what the hell goes up man go go
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into a submarine what the heck does go
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sub me I didn't know what a summer team
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was in nineteen eighty-four like i
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didn't understand subroutines or
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functions at all that's what i mean
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about not getting it and so I tried to
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write myself a text adventure without
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using go sub and very quickly you just
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find yourself twenty seven levels of
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conditionals and go tues deep and you're
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like oh I don't want to have to repeat
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all this stuff about uh you know I Drive
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jump back to the part where it was about
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invalid input but then I have to know
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where to jump back to and it was like I
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didn't understand how you could write a
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successful program because I didn't
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understand what sub routines were and
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today I mean maybe that maybe that
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soured being the idea
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programming when I was ten years old and
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that was that was just it but I just
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never came and it was never interested
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in programming it's only when I went to
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college and I took my first class and
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see and they you know they went over the
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c programming i would talked about
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pointers but then I was old enough my
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brain could understand it and I said oh
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I get what programming is now you just
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get the whole Turing machine thing of
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you know just understanding variables
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and addresses and and and functions and
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pointers and just like the whole nine
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yards but still if you'd asked me what
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are you gonna do when you graduate like
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I don't know I'm interested in a bunch
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of things like I had to computer
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engineering specifically because I
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didn't want to take computer science
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because i didn't like programming right
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I took computer engineering so I could
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learn about hardware and stuff so I
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learned about how you know a transistors
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work and how different you know
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microprocessors work and all that stuff
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and I'm very interested in that I was
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very interested in like the Pentium and
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the powerpc and hardware stuff and that
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I think that helped my understanding of
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software but at a certain point in my
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undergraduate life I also learn unix I
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also learned pearl which was like a
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nicer way to get at the U Nork unix
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underpinnings because at that point I
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had been written I'd written tons of C
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programs using like you know raw sockets
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calls and see to write my own demon
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processes and everything and that's a
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pain in your butt right and then pearls
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I go I can you know write a demon that
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software and so when it came time to say
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never taught it and never learned it i
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it in some ways i like it like my
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most computer nerds and actually finally
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little bit more you can ok let me see
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which one next all right if you could
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change something about yourself what
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would what would you change life span
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that's easy answer some people say they
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don't want to live forever cuz I think
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it would be boring I'm not one of those
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people maybe being immortal would be too
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go basically until the earth is
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destroyed if you can set my life span
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right before I birth becomes
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uninhabitable I'd be happy with that you
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wouldn't mind seeing all of your loved
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ones die I always wonder a shins of
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loved ones die I would mind it but that
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that may happen now anyway I mean you
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never know yeah tomorrow will bring you
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know but I would be okay with that
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because I understand that that's just
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something that happens you know it's
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like you just deactivate your motion
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ship but during that time Turner back so
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you know if you have given near
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immortality that's that's the price and
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I would be willing to pay that price
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because I like being alive and healthy
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obviously you don't want to be like live
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decrepit right yeah is that nothing else
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are you were looking for I I'm happy
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with any answer you give me yeah I don't
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they like I wish I was taller I wish I
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was more handsome and like most of those
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things a lot of those things where
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people asking about something you don't
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like about yourself that you would
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change I i was saying you're gonna say
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you get rid of your RSI or something but
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i suppose if you would live forever
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eventually the technology will catch up
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to that so you cover that lights
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RSI is a bit like oh that goes to health
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like Brazil I was going to is you know
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health because despite the fact that I
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am generally healthy as i get older i
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get a greater greater appreciation for
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how important your health is and I can
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appreciate being healthy and how just
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terrible it is it right the stupid
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saying if you don't have your health but
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that is that staying will sound stupid
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to you until you're about 30 something
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will not sound stupid okay and then you
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dismiss that saying right and so that's
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what I'm basically asking for because
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all the other things about changing like
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your personality or other parts of
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yourself like that would be changing who
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you are hmm and that would that's one of
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those like cautionary tales where if you
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could be you know ten times more
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personable and funny would you be the
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same person anymore would you feel like
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you're the same person or it's like a
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Twilight Zone episode but you'd ask for
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something then later on the end of the
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episode the person would realize that
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not who they were before and that would
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be sad for the people watching but the
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person who was there wouldn't know it
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yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't ask for this
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too it's too late for me now to be any
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of those anything that I'm not all right
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um-hmm okay here's one for you I think I
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know the answer you can meet anyone
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alive or dead who would it be that's not
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ask one person a question I've gotcha in
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colton but if i can made anyone alive or
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dead meet them and and I i will say has
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spend a day with him yeah in a way that
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they would they would it wouldn't be
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like a day and they'd be like all right
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you know i got meetings but like a day
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where you would have quality time and
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they would reciprocate your interest
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would they go back to being dead after
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that word afterwards just like an AI
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know i mean i'm gonna go with the
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obvious answer that you think i'm gonna
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say so i would pick steve jobs i guess
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yeah and the thing is I it the I at the
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end of that I would expect to be angry
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and disappointed but I would have to do
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it like that's that's the answer if I'd
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bring them back to life I'd spend a day
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talking with them most likely yelling at
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him because like despite all that I read
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and know about this person he's a
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fascinating character who I still feel
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like I don't really really know
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one of those people where it seems like
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there was a private side of him that
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even the people who are close to him
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didn't you know maybe his wife and his
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really closest friends were but
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certainly not just random Joe Mackey oh
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there's no about so yep that's so epic
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oh yeah I wanted I would want him to
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stay a lot of effort because I don't
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want to yell at him about Apple and then
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have him go have me convinced him with
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my you know my constant harang bring him
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around to my side of thinking and then
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see that play out in changes to Apple
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but it was gonna go back to being dead
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that kind of put the damper on that okay
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so speaking of being dead and dying if
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you were to die and you could come back
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as any person or thing what would it be
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as any person person or thing you could
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be a building you'd be a tree Gandhi you
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actually can't be a tree or a person no
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yes in this you could I wouldn't want to
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come back as an inanimate object because
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that doesn't like any fun ah I come back
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as a person yeah I don't I don't think
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there's any specific person is the
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problem the people that we all know
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you're expecting you to name a name that
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the other people what like a I'm
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wondering if there's like a certain life
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that you would have liked would you want
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to be Evel Knievel or something you know
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have fun so I'm thinking of like some
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kind of the idea anyone who lives in
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like a city type culture would want to
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come back as some like oh you know
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someone who lives who lives in tune with
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nature and lives off the land it has
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never touched by all the bad things
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about civilization and just leaves a
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happy contented life yeah you know with
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nature and a family in a small community
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I don't know if that still exists on the
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earth anymore it seems like every person
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in every society every where somehow
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touched in a bad way by modern society
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and so maybe it's better to be in uh you
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know so I I would probably have to pick
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I would just come back as someone who
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didn't have to worry about money because
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my current concern as a person that I am
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is worrying about you know security and
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lost in whatever and for all the
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downsides of being rich like her without
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money doesn't make you happy and there's
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many bad things that come with money and
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you'd have a terrible childhood and your
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parents would be all screwed up like we
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all know the the anti-patterns are being
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rich we see it in movies you read about
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life like terrible things can happen to
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rich people but there are also people
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who were born rich and die rich and who
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are perfectly nice well-adjusted happy
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people so it's hard to say because if
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you come back to the new person I
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wouldn't have the same hang-ups that I
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have now but assuming I had similar
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hangups like that's you know you're
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always asking for the life that's
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different than the one you have now I
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would I would come back as someone who
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who doesn't have to worry about the
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things that I'm most concerned about now
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so I'd come back as a rich person ok I
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have why I have one more question uh but
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I I thought of an extra one then I put
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it to the chat room and they they seem
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to be slightly in favor of me asking the
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second to last question and that is I
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know that now you're getting really
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interested in comics thanks to Merlin
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you starting to really read not really i
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I'm still only like partially into the
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few issues a the first issue of the
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comics that he sent me ok what
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superpower would you have in why ah this
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is very telling we were kind of already
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answered that like is it the Amir Amir
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immortality countess I mean I goes like
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I would go with basically Superman's
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invulnerability like I wouldn't pick his
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flight it wouldn't take the heat vision
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I wouldn't pitch to pick the blowing
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stuff to freeze it and you know I would
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go with the fact like basically nothing
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can besides kryptonite uh can't hurt him
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and presumably that leaves I don't know
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the canyons us presumably that leaves a
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very long life like if he can't if he's
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involved well I guess he still ages but
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he goes from a teenager to an adult he
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seems to age and he's just kind of hits
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you hit like a point you hit like
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maximum handsomeness and you just stay
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there what about regeneration like
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Wolverine has like no then you got to
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keep getting hurt and then it grows back
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like Superman is just invulnerable so I
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pick and vulnerability basically okay
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that's that's my superb our choice not
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bad alright here's my last question
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alright this is because you know we have
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a lot of young listeners what kind of
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rising as far as I know what kind of
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advice would you like to give to young
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person who's just starting out who's
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been listening to this show who says I
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want to be just like John
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or just advice in general what you might
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impart to your own kids people love that
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the people who are grown up maybe could
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benefit from what kind of advice do you
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have for listeners uh for kids I would
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say don't try to be just like any one
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person because the you know the odds of
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you being so similar to that person that
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you would be equally happy with that
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person's life are very slim right so
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there may be aspects of a person or
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their life that you admire like some
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people might say I want to be just like
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steve jobs but I know enough about Steve
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Jobs to know that I would never want to
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be just like steve jobs because a lot of
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his life was filled with you know misery
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and pain of his own doing i just had
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said that i would like to come back as a
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rich person but i would assume that i
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would be able to handle it Britain
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Steve's jobs niggas is his life was just
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filled with problems personal problems
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and you know how even just corporate
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problems and problems with his job and
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getting kicked out of the company that
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he founded and you know the whole nine
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yards so don't don't you know don't try
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to be like someone that you admire just
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to think about the things that you
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admire about that person and then
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harness them to do whatever it is you
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want to do like it's the the end of my
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hypercritical articled ARS technica i
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have a little parenthetical thing about
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it yeah Steve Jobs always wanting to
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make things just so & poor's entire self
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into them and make the greatest thing
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ever and I said you know you can do that
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in your everyday life like that's the
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thing you may admire about Steve Jobs
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like boy he really cared about making
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the imac really awesome or the iPhone or
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whatever anyporn himself into oh you can
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do that with anything so you can say
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that i am the Steve Jobs of this
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sandwich I'm going to make I am the
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person solely in charge of the sandwich
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and it's going to be insanely great
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right just for making the sandwich for
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yourself right you know I writ small and
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then larger is if you are totally into
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making horse paintings make the most
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insanely great horse paintings that you
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could possibly ever mentioned it's not
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you being like steve jobs because he
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wasn't into horse painting at all and
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maybe the things you need to do awesome
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hort paint horse paintings are totally
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different than ah the things you need to
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run a successful tech company but you
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know pick the things that you at you
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aspects of the people that you admire
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and apply them to whether it is that you
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actually want to do so whatever it is
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that you admire about me or the podcast
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or whatever decide how any of those
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things can be applied to your life to
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make what you want to do better don't
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try to do the same things that I did I
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do the things that you want to do I
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don't think it I would say do know those
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people should not model their their
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lives after me cuz my life is pretty I I
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think it's more aspirational for people
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very least that's more know like more
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they can do like go off on their own not
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enjoy doing because you may you may find
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the destination to be awesome like so I
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want to be like Marco and like beemo and
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Boston have a hit iOS product but maybe
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you don't like what you have to do to
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get to that point right you know talk to
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eight thousand other iOS developers and
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see how they're doing it and just talk
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there and what what the work entails on
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a day to day basis and maybe that's not
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what you like maybe you just like the
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destination and not the journey I don't
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know I'm probably babbling at this point
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so I don't know I don't have any I don't
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have any good solid advice for young
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listeners listen to me except for to not
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the things you admire about them and
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find the ones that are applicable to
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your life and then go with that it's a
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good answer that's all all my questions
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episodes didn't think we'd make it but
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oh I knew we'd make that's it that's it
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we're done we are done so you can uh you
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IRA see you SI nosy and i can follow me
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that'll stick around say what they can
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still you can still email john he'll
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have no forum like this to respond but
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who knows he you may reply but you still
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you're gonna read every email right I
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will I always read every email I'm a
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reply by email I'm a this not having a
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podcast to complain about things may
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motivate me to blog or maybe it won't I
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don't know we'll see but yeah keep
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if I do anything else you'll see it and
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of course i'll be on the incomparable
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and guesting another various podcast at
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various time so you know you'll find me
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i'll be out there all right Jen well
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thanks for awesome 100 episodes thank
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you Dan take care I
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