Hypercritical

100: Metacritical

 

  you're not supposed to argue with me our [TS]

  own myself this is hypercritical the [TS]

  weekly talk show ruminating on exactly [TS]

  what is wrong in the world of Apple and [TS]

  related technologies and businesses [TS]

  nothing is so perfect that can't be [TS]

  complained about by my friend and yours [TS]

  John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

  Friday December 28th 2012 this is [TS]

  episode number 100 this is our final [TS]

  episode this is the very last episode of [TS]

  hypercritical we would like to thank our [TS]

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  and shutterstock for making this show [TS]

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  well here we are last lab very last [TS]

  episode hundred of hundred episodes [TS]

  after this one will be in the king [TS]

  that's true not a hundred episodes with [TS]

  me but 100 episodes in the feed was [TS]

  there only only one without you may be [TS]

  22 well you didn't let us put the one in [TS]

  the first one in but there was something [TS]

  in the feed with that number there was [TS]

  just your public service and 0 elsewhere [TS]

  correct correct alright episode 100 the [TS]

  final episode I've got a couple things [TS]

  planned for this episode but they're not [TS]

  gonna take too much time I think so [TS]

  people who are hoping for an eight hour [TS]

  final episode will be disappointed which [TS]

  is appropriate i think to be [TS]

  disappointed to disappoint dear your [TS]

  audience I'm the final episode yes I [TS]

  think they're already disappointed [TS]

  enough that you're not doing the show [TS]

  anymore there you go so that's what I'm [TS]

  saying if it's been a theme you just [TS]

  continue the wave yeah so we're gonna [TS]

  have a little bit of follow-up then I'm [TS]

  going to have my main topic for this [TS]

  show which is not very long and then [TS]

  we're going to end up with you asking me [TS]

  your questions okay for as long as you [TS]

  want to do that so like if I wanted to [TS]

  ask an hour two hours were the questions [TS]

  you're up with you're up for that well [TS]

  you'll be exhausted but [TS]

  you can't it people were asking that if [TS]

  you were going to filibuster me I don't [TS]

  know quite how that would work but yeah [TS]

  I would recommend against that but you [TS]

  know I said last week yeah you already [TS]

  have your questions repaired you said [TS]

  and I said to come up with one that you [TS]

  think would be a reasonable way to end [TS]

  the show and then I will flub it by [TS]

  giving a lame answer and then that will [TS]

  be it so do you thinks I'm like a plan [TS]

  that sounds like a good plan i remember [TS]

  the last time that i was permitted to [TS]

  ascii questions was for an episode of [TS]

  the pipeline where i interviewed you in [TS]

  a way that that show is a little bit [TS]

  that episode was a little bit like the [TS]

  predecessor to this whole this whole [TS]

  show that plus the gabe newell [TS]

  conversation episode you were on I was [TS]

  like come on do a show there you go and [TS]

  then that was this so there you my [TS]

  question is my questions by the way just [TS]

  a little teaser mm-hmm aren't gonna have [TS]

  nothing to do with technology nothing to [TS]

  do with your mac pro or the amount of [TS]

  RAM in it or tonight is or anything like [TS]

  that that you're all personal there you [TS]

  go what makes siracusa tick all right so [TS]

  let us start for the first time for the [TS]

  last time with follow up last episode I [TS]

  discussed the wii u that you were so [TS]

  kind to send me that we've been playing [TS]

  that my son has been playing non-stop [TS]

  since they came here and I said that [TS]

  once I got it and transferred my stuff [TS]

  over to it I realized after transferring [TS]

  my stuff that I wouldn't be able to play [TS]

  mario 64 with the gamecube controller [TS]

  anymore because now mario 64 is over on [TS]

  the wii u and the wii u doesn't support [TS]

  a gamecube controller a bunch of people [TS]

  sent me the links to people modding [TS]

  controllers which is apparently a [TS]

  burgeoning field i know they sell like [TS]

  adapters and most lots of other things [TS]

  like that but some people sort of have a [TS]

  do-it-yourself type mindset well they [TS]

  will take a dremel tool to a bunch of [TS]

  controllers and try to make sort of a [TS]

  frankan controller and one popular theme [TS]

  is taking various controllers and wiring [TS]

  them up to the bottom of a wii remote [TS]

  the links i put in the show note show [TS]

  notes about this are about someone [TS]

  modding be a wee classic controller [TS]

  remember that thing it's not the Wii U [TS]

  pro yeah yeah similar yeah two analog [TS]

  sticks d-pad buttons and like little [TS]

  kind of horn type handles on it and so [TS]

  what this guy did is open that thing up [TS]

  chopped out the the printed circuit [TS]

  board part of it mm-hm and then take a [TS]

  gamecube controller and pull out its [TS]

  guts and then take the chopped up [TS]

  classic controller circuit board put it [TS]

  inside the gamecube controller and then [TS]

  a wire all of the controls on the [TS]

  gamecube controller to the printed [TS]

  circuit board actually solder it on [TS]

  there to the printed circuit board from [TS]

  the classic controller so it's basically [TS]

  a classic controller as far as the wii [TS]

  is concerned but all the controls [TS]

  instead of being hooked up to the [TS]

  thumbsticks on the classic controller [TS]

  the hooked up to the thumbsticks on on [TS]

  the gamecube controller and all the [TS]

  buttons and so on and so forth it's [TS]

  amazing that actually works but i guess [TS]

  you know it's all nintendo all on the [TS]

  family and all the buttons and switches [TS]

  and analog sticks and similar signals [TS]

  and so it ends up working of course this [TS]

  is not a it is a do-it-yourself job if [TS]

  you are very comfortable with soldering [TS]

  and it's not super precise like micro [TS]

  soldering but it's precise enough that [TS]

  lots of contacts have to be soldered [TS]

  very close to each other and you have to [TS]

  you know be careful iming it's not [TS]

  something that I would want to try [TS]

  myself but apparently people do this and [TS]

  then they sell their handiwork so this [TS]

  is a reddit thread where someone posted [TS]

  pictures and then also a link to a forum [TS]

  thread where the person shows the [TS]

  step-by-step things I tried to find this [TS]

  presses name they can only come up with [TS]

  uh or is it gum oh yeah good old gum [TS]

  oped Gummo and then i read it he's gum [TS]

  owned no and there's i also put a link [TS]

  into one of the various adapters which [TS]

  is the re the wii retro pad adapter to [TS]

  that this is another wee thing not a way [TS]

  you think but it lets you connect again [TS]

  to the bottom where we mode and then [TS]

  have another plug that into which you [TS]

  plug an adapter cable where you can have [TS]

  all sorts of control nes SNES [TS]

  playstation playstation 2 gamecube [TS]

  nintendo 64 Neo Geo CD and Sega Saturn [TS]

  all those controllers you can use making [TS]

  them look like classic controllers to [TS]

  the way I'm assuming all the same things [TS]

  either [TS]

  already work with the wii u or similar [TS]

  hacks will come out and work with wii u [TS]

  so there's hope for anybody who wants to [TS]

  play any sort of game with their console [TS]

  using a classic controller any things [TS]

  are pretty cheap tillich adapters like [TS]

  25 bucks and the extension cables like [TS]

  10 bucks for all of them so it's a [TS]

  market by hobbyists for obvious and also [TS]

  that some of these adapter things they [TS]

  provide like the plans for you to make [TS]

  your own so if you don't want to buy one [TS]

  from this guy and you just want to do it [TS]

  yourself you can buy all the parts [TS]

  yourself and assemble them and solder [TS]

  them together and everything pretty neat [TS]

  alright next bit of follow-up is from [TS]

  Jesse lane he was the first person to [TS]

  successfully save me from myself when it [TS]

  comes to mac address filtering on my [TS]

  wireless network I shall talked about my [TS]

  difficulties and setting up new devices [TS]

  with because I have mac address [TS]

  filtering on my home network and a lot [TS]

  of devices don't show you the mac [TS]

  address at the point where i would need [TS]

  it they just want you to get on the [TS]

  network and before you're allowed to see [TS]

  what the mac addresses which is [TS]

  frustrating so a lot of people responded [TS]

  and tweets an email saying you shouldn't [TS]

  do mac address filtering it's dumb and [TS]

  that's not it's not helpful because the [TS]

  show i explained you know you said water [TS]

  here yeah here's why I do it and then I [TS]

  said if anyone can tell me why the [TS]

  reasons that I do it don't make any [TS]

  sense by all means do so but just [TS]

  telling me it's dumb doesn't tell me [TS]

  that you know you're you know so to [TS]

  review i was saying i did the mac [TS]

  address filtering not because i thought [TS]

  it was impossible like the tiger was a [TS]

  security barrier because anybody can [TS]

  pretend to have any mac address they [TS]

  want that's simple right my idea was [TS]

  that so fine someone looks at my network [TS]

  and sees the mac addresses of some [TS]

  devices that are on it says okay i'm [TS]

  going to spoof that mac address my [TS]

  assumption was that that person would [TS]

  have a bad experience using my network [TS]

  because if he's trying to use a mac [TS]

  address that is the same as another [TS]

  device on the network the two would [TS]

  conflict with each other and it will [TS]

  make that person said and you know [TS]

  things won't work right so and people [TS]

  who didn't address that it says you [TS]

  shouldn't do mac address filtering it's [TS]

  it's pointless you shouldn't do it you [TS]

  know they never gave me a reason they [TS]

  never acknowledge that they heard what i [TS]

  was saying he said you know people can [TS]

  spoof a maggot as well yeah of course I [TS]

  said that on the show [TS]

  sometimes it just doesn't fit in 140 [TS]

  characters if it's a tweet or something [TS]

  but Jesse Lane was the first person to [TS]

  fried an actual explanation to show you [TS]

  listen to the show he said I'm a [TS]

  security professional that has done a [TS]

  fair bit of work and wireless he says he [TS]

  doesn't think mac address filtering news [TS]

  worth do anymore he confirms that yes [TS]

  even if you have a wpa2 network or [TS]

  whatever all the MAC addresses of course [TS]

  are visible because that's a layer 2 [TS]

  thing so and it's trivial to spoof MAC [TS]

  address like I said on the show which [TS]

  acknowledged and he said it's incorrect [TS]

  to assume that the person stealing your [TS]

  mac address will have a bad experience [TS]

  because the two conflicting MAC [TS]

  addresses the network what will happen [TS]

  he says is the traffic will go to the [TS]

  whichever MAC address most recently [TS]

  responded to an ARP request so the [TS]

  malicious person on the network just can [TS]

  send what he calls gratuitous arps to [TS]

  say oh I'm the one who has that IP [TS]

  address i'm a bit mac address and that [TS]

  will effectively prevent your legitimate [TS]

  house from ever getting a chance to talk [TS]

  i put a link in the show notes to arp [TS]

  address resolution protocol you can look [TS]

  up what that is but basically once [TS]

  someone gets your mac address and spoofs [TS]

  it they can very quickly flood the [TS]

  network with with gratuitous arp [TS]

  responses saying oh I'm you know I'm the [TS]

  guy with that mac address I'm over here [TS]

  and it's this IP address so just keep [TS]

  doing that and the other device since [TS]

  it's not malicious and not trying to [TS]

  steal it's you know steal an address [TS]

  will never get any more packets and [TS]

  we'll just sort of sit there and be sad [TS]

  uh so and he says okay even without [TS]

  gratuitous arp sees had to be easy to [TS]

  just watch my network and select a mac [TS]

  address of a client that's not used very [TS]

  often ah like that's that's less likely [TS]

  because most of my devices that are on [TS]

  the Wi-Fi on all the time but uh that's [TS]

  worth pointing out to and he says most [TS]

  importantly wpa2 is very strong [TS]

  encryption and he compares putting the [TS]

  mac address filtering on it's a bit like [TS]

  locking the latch hook on on a screen [TS]

  door when you have a reinforced steel [TS]

  security door right behind it so his [TS]

  advice is to just use wpa two with a [TS]

  long good password and turn off mac [TS]

  filter and that's what i did so i am now [TS]

  mac address filtering free on my home [TS]

  wireless network and the last bit of my [TS]

  defense is that this is one of those [TS]

  things where you have to reevaluate [TS]

  stuff as time going on because i put the [TS]

  mac address filtering back when I had [TS]

  you know [TS]

  WEP when when the security was a joke [TS]

  right long long ago and just never [TS]

  turned it off I just kept it on because [TS]

  through a series of apple airport uh [TS]

  wireless things that it keeps importing [TS]

  my setting and I just never turned it [TS]

  off there well you know it was a good [TS]

  thing to have on when you know the head [TS]

  web security that was easy to break was [TS]

  just one extra layer of you know one [TS]

  more hurdle for hackers to overcome not [TS]

  a particularly high hurdle but you know [TS]

  I just want to make it difficult but at [TS]

  this point it is now completely moved [TS]

  and I have turned off negative shall [TS]

  drink so thank you to Jesse lane let [TS]

  that be a lesson to anyone else out [TS]

  there who's doing that guy dress [TS]

  filtering on their network although it [TS]

  seems like I may be the only one in the [TS]

  entire world all right and the final [TS]

  piece of follow-up a lot of people in [TS]

  posting retrospectives about the show [TS]

  yeah there's been a bunch of really cool [TS]

  things going on yeah they make their own [TS]

  like uh you know supercuts will go cut [TS]

  together the favorite parts of the show [TS]

  in audio form some of them are like a [TS]

  five minutes worth of fun Clips some of [TS]

  them are 20 minute long things I've been [TS]

  reading them listening to them thanks to [TS]

  everyone who made one that's a lot of [TS]

  work to go through so it does uh you [TS]

  were recognized as a true fan but one in [TS]

  particular stuck out and this was by [TS]

  jonathan man who for the longest time I [TS]

  just assumed was related Merlin man like [TS]

  cuz doesn't it if Merlin mad had like a [TS]

  younger brother don't you think it would [TS]

  be Jonathan man I you know that they do [TS]

  have some things in common I and I guess [TS]

  all right the musical stuff and like he [TS]

  just went a different direction in his [TS]

  life and sort of Merlin you know did the [TS]

  music thing but then kind of went in a [TS]

  different direction and his younger [TS]

  brother was kind of following his [TS]

  footsteps and doing music thing and sort [TS]

  of went whole hog with it right this is [TS]

  sort of younger and more more energetic [TS]

  and vibrant still you know doesn't have [TS]

  those deep furrows his face huh anyway [TS]

  there is actually no relation as far as [TS]

  I know between Jonathan Mann Maryland [TS]

  man but Jonathan Mann his description of [TS]

  his self is I'm a musician and a [TS]

  songwriter best known for writing a song [TS]

  a day mm-hmm he's been added for over [TS]

  1400 days straight and he's got an album [TS]

  called song a day the album that you can [TS]

  buy a pen leaked in the show notes he [TS]

  literally write the song every day uh [TS]

  and he made a song for me he did I I [TS]

  have song [TS]

  number 1450 that's right a nice even [TS]

  number 2 i'm i was very that that alone [TS]

  should have made you happy that it ended [TS]

  in it it ended in a zero yes it did and [TS]

  so it's youtube video you can watch the [TS]

  video of him singing on the song i [TS]

  wanted to well I wanted to have we [TS]

  haven't cleared this with him but would [TS]

  you shall we play it now I've got a cute [TS]

  up and ready to go should we play it now [TS]

  should we play it do you know on and the [TS]

  intro outro of the show or I don't like [TS]

  to play the whole song is this long and [TS]

  I want people to have to go to two [TS]

  minutes 18 seconds it's a tribute to you [TS]

  it's not about a lot two minutes what [TS]

  does the chat room think i'll give the [TS]

  chat room a WoW chance to weigh in [TS]

  should we play the song on the air or [TS]

  not well I answer that i'm going to say [TS]

  a few more things about the song so uh [TS]

  trill they're gone nuts in the chat room [TS]

  look at this everyone wants to hear it I [TS]

  don't know wants to hear it well this is [TS]

  the most response i've ever seen from [TS]

  those jackals all right let me just say [TS]

  bye for the last few things about the [TS]

  song so well listen to the song i [TS]

  thought i was great and everything but [TS]

  there were a couple of mistakes in the [TS]

  song starting with when he posted the [TS]

  video to their mistakes in this song you [TS]

  get a point out yes but starting when he [TS]

  posted with youtube it's called you know [TS]

  hypercritical song of the day number Oh [TS]

  1450 and hypercritical is misspelled [TS]

  isn't missing I he forgotten I between [TS]

  the TMC right and so right away I'm [TS]

  suspicious right and then if you look at [TS]

  the song lyrics Emily here in a second [TS]

  he mentions that I have three kids but I [TS]

  don't have three kids I only have two [TS]

  and when he says the name of apples [TS]

  desktop operating system he says OS X [TS]

  instead of always 10 and sound like hmm [TS]

  so I figured well you know I should at [TS]

  least reply to this to you know I [TS]

  replied to my Twitter I said you know [TS]

  just so you're not disappoint to hear [TS]

  the corrections for the song and I [TS]

  couldn't tell if it was like you know [TS]

  doing intentionally not in he responded [TS]

  he said oops sorry I thought you had [TS]

  three kids or whatever and I said just [TS]

  just pretend it was intentional because [TS]

  isn't that perfect like you would do the [TS]

  song and intentionally put a bunch of [TS]

  mistakes in that way yeah you know it's [TS]

  like just to give you something to say [TS]

  so we are retconning it and saying all [TS]

  the mistakes in this song are totally [TS]

  intentional [TS]

  song and we're not going to acknowledge [TS]

  the jonathan actually made any mistakes [TS]

  in the posting or creation of the song [TS]

  alright so the chat room has spoken they [TS]

  desperately wanted to hear this role to [TS]

  12 as they say man okay when your soup [TS]

  power is criticism will your options [TS]

  they're limited and you gotta watch what [TS]

  you say oh you say it too I love a man [TS]

  who's hot critical it makes complicated [TS]

  things understandable from toaster ovens [TS]

  too close to the metal he's hyper [TS]

  critical John siracusa is so [TS]

  hypocritical dropping knowledge you can [TS]

  use up [TS]

  powerful he tears apart technology [TS]

  walter isaacson so specific with the [TS]

  wife he likes the fancy things are done [TS]

  or will fall him from the beginning he [TS]

  didn't know what he had to say until he [TS]

  said it and how he's moving on now he's [TS]

  moving on [TS]

  after one hundred episode he's calling [TS]

  equipped for he explodes no more [TS]

  follow-up [TS]

  no more epigrams John siracusa you so [TS]

  hyper critical [TS]

  he's a man I [TS]

  criticize my soul he sees wrapped in the [TS]

  heart of things perfection is his cry [TS]

  his podcast makes me wanna say handsome [TS]

  and why 21 nerd salute salute 21 nerd [TS]

  salute you're a pig OSX astute and now [TS]

  let's just make sovereign who 20 wonder [TS]

  high five high five 21 high five you got [TS]

  three kids and a beautiful white you [TS]

  live in the king nerd highlight John [TS]

  siracusa is so hypocritical he's a man I [TS]

  not refuse out and criticized my soul he [TS]

  sees right to the heart of things [TS]

  perfection is his try podcast makes me [TS]

  want to sing answered him by him [TS]

  and by I'll miss you dude you know what [TS]

  he says at the end of that I'll miss you [TS]

  doing it what I think he absolutely [TS]

  means it it's very it's very sweet very [TS]

  nice song did you cry when you listen to [TS]

  it but not I did alright well there you [TS]

  go what things people said about the [TS]

  show is they're surprised that so many [TS]

  words rhyme with my last night I just [TS]

  called good songwriting yeah that's [TS]

  that's called Jonathan man's the freakin [TS]

  genius yeah and what one of the people [TS]

  in the the chatroom said don't play it [TS]

  as always x boobs yeah so i think that's [TS]

  that's just perfect mistakes and all [TS]

  which we're totally intentional as we [TS]

  noted and so if you like the kind of [TS]

  thing check out Jonathan man's other [TS]

  music and his album that is my last bit [TS]

  of follow-up well that is the end of [TS]

  follow-up then forever I sure yeah yeah [TS]

  Bob exists whether we're here or not Dan [TS]

  oh it's like if there's follow up and no [TS]

  one around to hear it this is a sty exam [TS]

  now you're getting it yeah so under [TS]

  sponsor before we dive into the main [TS]

  topic yeah I can compose myself a little [TS]

  bit yeah that's right dry tries hanky [TS]

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  very first sponsors sponsored this show [TS]

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  learn more now we do have one little [TS]

  little bit of follow-up that you did not [TS]

  note note yet but that we should mention [TS]

  all right the hypercritical t-shirts oh [TS]

  yes yes it was decided that it will just [TS]

  be hypercritical in the stylized text [TS]

  that goes along with the artwork for the [TS]

  show that was decided both by you and [TS]

  the obviously audience supported you so [TS]

  we'll be doing those t-shirts in the [TS]

  think the first week of the year the [TS]

  first week of January which actually is [TS]

  next week and that will be we will we're [TS]

  going to pick a color you will approve [TS]

  it people have also asked for mugs as [TS]

  well we'll have a separate run of mugs [TS]

  that will not be part of this just [TS]

  because the shipping and the thing and [TS]

  it's probably gonna be easier but i [TS]

  don't know maybe we'll combine them if I [TS]

  can it's logistics john it's going to be [TS]

  on the mug then same thing as a shirts I [TS]

  think I think the mugs could be the same [TS]

  thing as a shirt because you've approved [TS]

  it what do you think he wants not that's [TS]

  fine with me I mean lots of people who [TS]

  are requesting like people who were on [TS]

  the short end of the shirt survey now [TS]

  we're trying to get Redemption well you [TS]

  know I was outvoted by the other people [TS]

  for the shirt but can I get whatever was [TS]

  my favorite on the mug and I don't know [TS]

  if people have different opinions in the [TS]

  mugs but anyway I'm perfectly fine with [TS]

  the name of the show just like on the [TS]

  shirt being on the mug if you want to go [TS]

  whole hog and have a separate survey for [TS]

  mugs you can do that but you know I [TS]

  don't you know I don't think that's [TS]

  necessary but it's up to you okay but [TS]

  David so the best way to keep up to date [TS]

  since there won't be another episode of [TS]

  hyper critical to listen to to get [TS]

  information about it I think the best [TS]

  way to find out about it would be to [TS]

  follow five-by-five on twitter where I [TS]

  will tweet about it will probably do a [TS]

  blog post on blog five by five that TV [TS]

  at some point but obviously you could [TS]

  listen to the frequency where we do the [TS]

  news but if that's too much of a [TS]

  commitment then just follow five by five [TS]

  on Twitter and we'll tweet about it and [TS]

  we'll have a link to it from the website [TS]

  as well and I'll tweet about it from my [TS]

  account for sure siracusa and also from [TS]

  the hypercritical account [TS]

  so if you for all any of those accounts [TS]

  I there will be treated or retweeted on [TS]

  you know you'll find out about it rest [TS]

  assured we will not but you uh miss this [TS]

  I I guess maybe some people like don't [TS]

  follow everything in Twitter but the [TS]

  five by five announcement county there's [TS]

  allow you yeah well that was gonna say [TS]

  compared to what you do on hypercritical [TS]

  may be hypercritical yeah Laura's volume [TS]

  so like even if you're if you do you [TS]

  think oh that i missed we just go to [TS]

  twitter.com / hypercritical and just [TS]

  look to the last ten tweets for [TS]

  something that has to do with shirts you [TS]

  mean it's not high volume on my account [TS]

  so you'll you'll see the announcement [TS]

  all right we're ready for the main topic [TS]

  I'm ready ah this like I said I think [TS]

  this will be a short main topic but you [TS]

  know that's it is what it is and then [TS]

  after that we'll do the Q&A ah so I was [TS]

  kind of heartened to see that so many [TS]

  fans of the show correctly guessed what [TS]

  the topic for the final show would be I [TS]

  tried not to confirm to any of them that [TS]

  they were getting it right but it made [TS]

  me feel like I was along the I was on [TS]

  the right track the fact that so many [TS]

  people said that they thought this about [TS]

  you last episode be now maybe some of [TS]

  them were joking maybe a lot of them are [TS]

  joking maybe all of them were joking [TS]

  because there were certainly jokes about [TS]

  with the last episode be about or [TS]

  they'll you know be indefinite and would [TS]

  go on forever and all sorts of other [TS]

  things but I'd like to believe that in [TS]

  their heart of hearts that they knew [TS]

  that their guest was true the people who [TS]

  are actually correct can you then guess [TS]

  what the final topic is going to be I've [TS]

  intentionally not looked at any of the [TS]

  predictions I have intentionally stayed [TS]

  as far away from whatever the you know [TS]

  the predictions of this would be because [TS]

  I wanted to I wanted to you know be [TS]

  surprised as I am every week being [TS]

  surprised so no and I haven't and I've [TS]

  intentionally not thought about it at [TS]

  all i've tried not to think about it i [TS]

  want to come into this completely fresh [TS]

  and an open-minded beginner's mind as we [TS]

  saw i was about to say beginner's mind [TS]

  seven a mind-meld here's right welcome [TS]

  mind well don't jump in before i can [TS]

  mock you with your own sayings all right [TS]

  yeah that's beginner's mind all right so [TS]

  I hope when I say this it will make [TS]

  sense to the final topic for the final [TS]

  hypocrite of episode is what is wrong [TS]

  with the hypocritical podcast that's the [TS]

  that's perfect so much wrong with it how [TS]

  could it be how could the topic be [TS]

  anything else yes this is perfect [TS]

  because you know that's how you that's [TS]

  how you ended we're gonna take a look at [TS]

  this podcast of which there have been [TS]

  100 episodes is 98 of which were [TS]

  featuring me ah and what what's wrong [TS]

  what's wrong with this thing will you [TS]

  focus on the 98 that included you and [TS]

  technically can you criticize the show [TS]

  that is happening right now can you [TS]

  criticize this episode is that like what [TS]

  what I have to say will apply to this [TS]

  episode as well okay because what I'm [TS]

  gonna suggest and I think you know [TS]

  what's coming is that we have a [TS]

  follow-up show she criticized this [TS]

  episode I strident look I just want to [TS]

  put that out there and I mean you're [TS]

  gonna have to run with it alright so I [TS]

  got I've got a small number of items [TS]

  here and of course since I'm the one [TS]

  criticizing the show i'm also going to [TS]

  provide counterpoint because i'm also [TS]

  the one producer on the show okay [TS]

  alright so it's kind of you know it in [TS]

  arguing with myself but it's not it's [TS]

  not really like a winning or losing [TS]

  argument there are bad things about it [TS]

  and there are reasons that the bad [TS]

  things exist and so i'm going to talk [TS]

  about the bad things and what's bad [TS]

  about them and then explain why it is [TS]

  that they exist doesn't make them not [TS]

  bad it's just you know i'm i'm doing all [TS]

  sides of this right cuz you know that's [TS]

  the way it has to be all right and as [TS]

  the list is kind of sorted but not [TS]

  really like the first thing i have i [TS]

  think is the worst thing about the [TS]

  podcast and then i'll get a little bit [TS]

  better and i just kind of stopped like [TS]

  there are many more things wrong with [TS]

  the hypercritical podcast then i'm going [TS]

  to list but I feel like I hit the [TS]

  highlights after a handful of bite [TS]

  alright so the number one thing that's [TS]

  wrong with the hypocritical podcast [TS]

  again i will give you one last chance to [TS]

  guests and what is the number one thing [TS]

  was wrong with a critical podcast [TS]

  besides the descending know that was [TS]

  gonna be my answer was that identity [TS]

  well you know you got to pick something [TS]

  different nothing i can't think of a [TS]

  single thing that I don't like about [TS]

  this show beside the defending besides [TS]

  it attending all right well here like I [TS]

  mean I'm not I'm not [TS]

  I'm not Haddie I mean need to back me up [TS]

  she's looking I Britt I can't think of [TS]

  anything all right here so there's [TS]

  nothing wrong with the John I did think [TS]

  of some things in here they are the [TS]

  number one thing was wrong with the [TS]

  hyprocure podcast is follow-up that's [TS]

  nothing wrong with that were you talking [TS]

  about you're not supposed to argue with [TS]

  me I garona myself oh yeah I still have [TS]

  your chance to give your account online [TS]

  well I'll be quiet yes also abbreviated [TS]

  as fu is the people who might not know [TS]

  is the part of the show we talk about [TS]

  talk about the topics discussed on past [TS]

  shows and we revisit them usually we [TS]

  revisit them in response to listener [TS]

  feedback sometimes it's like [TS]

  self-feedback where I realized that [TS]

  something was wrong or something you [TS]

  need to correct it there's different [TS]

  types of fu we have Corrections which is [TS]

  you know the comic-con we have [TS]

  expansions where it's like you know [TS]

  about the thing we talked about last [TS]

  week here's some more about it there's [TS]

  also clarifications where if i said [TS]

  something it was misunderstood i try to [TS]

  clarify it so what's so bad about follow [TS]

  up follow up happens at the start of the [TS]

  show and so it necessarily delays the [TS]

  discussion of whatever the new topic is [TS]

  just like on the show right here before [TS]

  we got to this part where you were talk [TS]

  about what's wrong with a hyper go to [TS]

  podcast we have to follow up it so that [TS]

  delayed this discussion and a common [TS]

  tweet from fans the show or things I see [TS]

  you know going back forth between people [TS]

  after we do a show or some topic comes [TS]

  up we'll say oh there was a great [TS]

  discussion about whatever this topic is [TS]

  you know in hypercritical episode number [TS]

  96 I just you know check it out and skip [TS]

  the minute 35 and here's an actual tweet [TS]

  from being comparables Twitter account [TS]

  the inoperable another podcast that I [TS]

  participated in assuming this tweet was [TS]

  made by Jason Snell he usually runs that [TS]

  account for other people tweet to it as [TS]

  well I think uh here it is it says if [TS]

  you liked our bed at high school episode [TS]

  check out Syracuse on hypercritical this [TS]

  week and it gives a link to the episode [TS]

  starts 57 minutes in so that type of [TS]

  thing where whenever anyone wants to [TS]

  recommend the show to someone else they [TS]

  have to say I'll here check this one out [TS]

  and like skip a half an hour an hour [TS]

  into the show because they don't want to [TS]

  say I'll just check this out because if [TS]

  you just start listening you're like I [TS]

  thought they said this was gonna be [TS]

  about you know whatever that like the [TS]

  bad of high school stuff and I'm [TS]

  listening and he's talking about that [TS]

  stuff right anytime you know it anytime [TS]

  anyone talks about the show they have to [TS]

  give some sort of minute marker type [TS]

  thing and I find myself holding back [TS]

  from suggesting episodes of my own [TS]

  podcast of people just so I can avoid [TS]

  having to explain that I'll be checkers [TS]

  episode but you have to skip to a [TS]

  certain marker pointer skip skip a [TS]

  quarter of the show to get to the good [TS]

  part it makes the podcast harder to [TS]

  share with people and it makes it harder [TS]

  to get into if you're a new listener [TS]

  because the follow-up is not relevant to [TS]

  you if you didn't hear the previous [TS]

  episode if you just chase that all the [TS]

  way back you end up having to start [TS]

  listening for episode 1 which is two [TS]

  years ago and that's not really uh [TS]

  tenable and also the follow-up makes [TS]

  each episode longer because instead of [TS]

  just starting right in with a new thing [TS]

  that we want to talk about a new episode [TS]

  that you know 10 15 20 30 40 sometimes [TS]

  apparently 57 minutes of stuff before [TS]

  the actual topic of the show just makes [TS]

  every episode longer so a couple of [TS]

  remedies for the follow-up have been [TS]

  recommended over the years one early on [TS]

  people saying why don't we just put the [TS]

  fall but the end ha so like so could [TS]

  listen and say don't forget it I don't I [TS]

  don't wanna hear anymore this and then [TS]

  this stop or yeah but you get like the [TS]

  you get whatever the main topic is [TS]

  immediately so if you if there we did [TS]

  some cool show like you know video game [TS]

  controllers something you could say oh [TS]

  there was this episode about this uh [TS]

  check it out and just give you the link [TS]

  to episode whatever and you'd start [TS]

  listening and you would hear immediately [TS]

  after the little intro you'd hear about [TS]

  video can we control switch is what your [TS]

  friend one sent you the link for and [TS]

  then at the end you would have the [TS]

  follow-up and very early on that was [TS]

  suggested and I rejected it because it [TS]

  breaks continuity the way we do it with [TS]

  develop on the front preserves [TS]

  continuity because like on an episode [TS]

  we'll discuss topic a and then that [TS]

  episode will end and then the next [TS]

  episode we'll have more on topic a [TS]

  because it's follow-up and babble end [TS]

  and then we'll do topic be right and the [TS]

  other thing is that the topic be may [TS]

  build on topic a so if we didn't do the [TS]

  follow-up in the beginning say we're [TS]

  talking about topic be we'd have to have [TS]

  add some sort of waffling like I know [TS]

  that we said last week the blah blah [TS]

  blah but that isn't actually true which [TS]

  you'll see when we get to the follow up [TS]

  at the end like you can't you can't move [TS]

  on until you've addressed the follow up [TS]

  is if you're talking about the new topic [TS]

  you want to talk about it and [TS]

  light of the new revelations or new [TS]

  clarifications or expansions at the top [TS]

  from last week so follow up at the [TS]

  engines does not work for me people have [TS]

  suggested adding a chapter marker in the [TS]

  file itself are having separate [TS]

  follow-up episodes like a little mini [TS]

  episode and then the main episode or [TS]

  having a separate feed for follow-up all [TS]

  three of those solutions aside from the [TS]

  production related issues which you can [TS]

  speak to to say whether that would be [TS]

  feasible or whatever uh is that they all [TS]

  encourage skipping of the follow-up [TS]

  because the reason you'd want to have [TS]

  that marker and other stuff is like oh [TS]

  well there's that the follow up is sort [TS]

  of isolated if you don't want to listen [TS]

  to you can jump right past that I don't [TS]

  want people who don't pass that I want [TS]

  people to actually listen to the fall so [TS]

  why why why do we have follow-up why is [TS]

  it there after all these bad things I've [TS]

  said it but I truly believe the [TS]

  follow-up really is a big downside to [TS]

  the show that you know really stops it [TS]

  from being accessible and stops from [TS]

  being shared and all the things you [TS]

  would want like if you wanna make a [TS]

  popular podcast you wanted to be easily [TS]

  shared you want people to be jumped to [TS]

  jump right and so why do I do it ah well [TS]

  I think it's part of the theme of the [TS]

  shows that are the dedication to getting [TS]

  things correct have the attention to [TS]

  detail and you know in the highfalutin [TS]

  version that the search for truth or you [TS]

  know when as close as we can get and [TS]

  continuity like you know where you start [TS]

  listening and we're talking about things [TS]

  that we did in the last show continuity [TS]

  repels casual Lister's but it also [TS]

  rewards dedicated listeners because they [TS]

  feel like oh now I'm resuming this thing [TS]

  in progress I think we've seen this [TS]

  recently with television shows as well [TS]

  where people used to be allergic to [TS]

  continuity on television people who made [TS]

  TV shows would try to make everything [TS]

  episodic but slowly but surely [TS]

  television series have been learning [TS]

  that yes continuity does make it hard to [TS]

  get into a program but with time [TS]

  shifting and everything it's easier for [TS]

  people to start from the beginning or [TS]

  you know get it on DVD or streamer door [TS]

  whatever and continuity rewards the [TS]

  people who are dedicated fans of the [TS]

  show so that's sort of flipped around [TS]

  and it's the same dichotomy in [TS]

  podcasting enthusiastic fans want to [TS]

  hear more about the topics that [TS]

  interested in so if I talk about some [TS]

  topic and you know you're interested in [TS]

  it you're happy when you start the next [TS]

  show to hear more on that topic or some [TS]

  sort of fall pour a little tidbit fob [TS]

  also of course rewards the individual [TS]

  listeners who write in with the [TS]

  follow-up they get the thrill [TS]

  hearing their name is pronounced on the [TS]

  air and it's exciting that is a thrill [TS]

  yeah they get to participate in the [TS]

  conversation not really like you know [TS]

  real-time like a call-in show but they [TS]

  get to be a participant in a [TS]

  conversation that those thing to all be [TS]

  with a massive time delay sometimes they [TS]

  get to fault their own follow up on the [TS]

  next show so they can have sort of a you [TS]

  know an even longer conversation and all [TS]

  this I think encourages hardcore fans [TS]

  and helps the show by harvesting [TS]

  information that would otherwise be [TS]

  locked away in listeners minds so you [TS]

  know if you ever listen to a podcast and [TS]

  you get frustrated because the host of [TS]

  like wondering about something and you [TS]

  know the answer damn you wished you just [TS]

  yell into the thing like no no like here [TS]

  let me tell you what it is well [TS]

  follow-up provides an outlet for that [TS]

  frustration instead of just going these [TS]

  dopes don't they know or you know or if [TS]

  you know the answer you can't yell back [TS]

  into the pipe guess but if you know that [TS]

  follow-up is part of the format you can [TS]

  say well soon as I get home I'm gonna [TS]

  bang on email and say hey guys you were [TS]

  asking about XYZ I know about that [TS]

  here's the answer and not only is an [TS]

  outlet for the frustration for them but [TS]

  I'm now reaping the benefits of having a [TS]

  smart informed audience like you know [TS]

  presumably someone in our audience knows [TS]

  a lot about you know wireless security [TS]

  or history of video game controllers or [TS]

  how Intel does their CPUs or whatever [TS]

  I'm benefiting from that so I despite [TS]

  the fact that I think this is clear all [TS]

  of us clear the biggest thing that's [TS]

  wrong with the show those are all the [TS]

  reasons that I keep it and you know [TS]

  early on decided to keep it and it stuck [TS]

  with it and the other thing about [TS]

  follow-up is it it could be that [TS]

  follow-up ends up being the most [TS]

  enduring aspect of of the shows i was [TS]

  thinking about this I'd listen to a lot [TS]

  of other pot gets a lot about the five [TS]

  by five podcast and a lot of them do [TS]

  follow-up uh sometimes like ironically [TS]

  or jokingly like for the people who [TS]

  happen to know me like Marco our Merlin [TS]

  will say oh yeah and I've got a little [TS]

  piece of follow-up or whatever and [TS]

  they're doing it kind of half joke haha [TS]

  like it's not a dedicated part of the [TS]

  format but anytime I do have something [TS]

  like that they'll throw it in right uh [TS]

  but even on shows like I can geek Friday [TS]

  I don't think either of the hosts of [TS]

  geek Friday ever listened to my show and [TS]

  yet they have follow-up as well and I [TS]

  wonder you know kind of like cutting the [TS]

  ends off the roast you know that story [TS]

  no it's only the story it's like the [TS]

  woman is making a roast or something and [TS]

  she's cutting off the ends of it [TS]

  sometimes why why are you cutting off [TS]

  the ends of your roasters oh well you [TS]

  know my mother always cut the ends off [TS]

  you always have to do that makes the [TS]

  Rose come out better and then they asked [TS]

  the mother you know your daughter said [TS]

  you always have to cut off the ends of [TS]

  the rose when you put in the of it makes [TS]

  come out better while you do that so [TS]

  well my grandmother you know my mother [TS]

  your grandmother always cut the ends off [TS]

  throws you have to do that or as it [TS]

  doesn't come out right and so they asked [TS]

  the grandmother why'd you cut the ends [TS]

  off the rose and said well I'm all my [TS]

  roasting pans were too small so I always [TS]

  had to cut the ends off for so-and-so [TS]

  like three generations no no one knows [TS]

  why you're cutting the ends off the [TS]

  roses like oh that's what you do when [TS]

  you make roast right it's just the right [TS]

  thing too so I'm wondering if like the [TS]

  people who do geek Friday do they know [TS]

  where follow-up comes from and even like [TS]

  outside the network you know that the [TS]

  second incarnation of the talk show [TS]

  which is no longer even on five by five [TS]

  Gruber does fall tonight show as well so [TS]

  you know this is my lasting legacy is [TS]

  five degrees separator from five by five [TS]

  Don some podcast somewhere some will [TS]

  mention that they're going to do [TS]

  follow-up and have no idea why they're [TS]

  doing that or where that term came from [TS]

  or where that format I mean I'm maybe [TS]

  I'm not the first person ever to do fall [TS]

  out but I think I can trace a straight [TS]

  line through from my follow-up to the [TS]

  very least Marco and merlyn's follow-up [TS]

  probably the Friday's fall property [TS]

  Gruber's follow-up as well so I think [TS]

  there is some merit to this idea perhaps [TS]

  not to the degree that I did it in my [TS]

  show but you know every show is [TS]

  different all right item number two that [TS]

  is wrong with the hypercritical podcast [TS]

  of the title I think there are probably [TS]

  very few people who have positive [TS]

  feelings about the word hypercritical in [TS]

  people who don't already know about the [TS]

  podcast or blog or anything else like [TS]

  that it it repels most normal people [TS]

  with negative implications of the work [TS]

  because like being critical as a bad [TS]

  thing in most circles being critical [TS]

  hurts people's feelings and hyper [TS]

  critical is even worse hi from critical [TS]

  is being needlessly critical like you're [TS]

  being a jerk like you're not just being [TS]

  critical but you bring hypercritical so [TS]

  you're just a super-duper jerk and so [TS]

  why would you want a podcast about [TS]

  hurting people's feelings needlessly it [TS]

  just turns it's a big turnoff it just [TS]

  turns people off uh and you know I [TS]

  acknowledge that now what so why do I [TS]

  have this title well the first reason is [TS]

  that the ARS technica article that I [TS]

  wrote several years before the podcast [TS]

  had the same name as its title is titled [TS]

  hyper [TS]

  protocol and that was the inspiration [TS]

  for the show for the format of the show [TS]

  the content of the show everything about [TS]

  the show a link to this articles in the [TS]

  show notes one last time if you still [TS]

  haven't found it ah that's not exactly a [TS]

  reason to use it for the title the [TS]

  podcast but that's why I originally [TS]

  picked it second reason is that it's [TS]

  kind of a hedge against criticism [TS]

  because people are going to say I [TS]

  listened that show the guys so picky and [TS]

  he's got so many complaints and and you [TS]

  can answer that you know well what's the [TS]

  title of the show like what did you [TS]

  think you were getting it does what it [TS]

  says on the tin as the saying goes [TS]

  stolen from England or wherever uh the [TS]

  show is called hypercritical so you [TS]

  should expect that type of thing right [TS]

  now that's not exactly doesn't make any [TS]

  sense just because that's the title the [TS]

  show that doesn't answer if your if your [TS]

  issue is that the i'm too picky on the [TS]

  show and the show is full of complaints [TS]

  me telling you that all will just look [TS]

  at the title the show doesn't answer any [TS]

  of your complaints it's not it's not a [TS]

  come it's not a justification at all but [TS]

  that doesn't mean it doesn't placate [TS]

  people because people are not logical so [TS]

  I find that when people say you know you [TS]

  see this I said compensation copying all [TS]

  the time in the chat room and Twitter or [TS]

  whatever someone listen to the show say [TS]

  it's full of complaints and it's picking [TS]

  other person will say well duh look at [TS]

  the title of the show and that ends the [TS]

  conversation and it shouldn't but it [TS]

  does uh toughie like I don't know if [TS]

  that's a justification for the title but [TS]

  it's one of those perverse actual [TS]

  interactions that happens all the time [TS]

  uh and pointing to the title the show [TS]

  somehow ends the debate they go well [TS]

  okay I guess and that really shouldn't [TS]

  be telling people it shouldnt that [TS]

  shouldn't end the debate because you [TS]

  haven't actually answered the criticism [TS]

  if you don't like the show because [TS]

  there's too much complaint someone [TS]

  pointing the title to you doesn't make [TS]

  you like the show any better and [TS]

  shouldn't stop you from having that [TS]

  complaint so I don't have a real good [TS]

  justification except that I like the [TS]

  title it's hard to come up with good [TS]

  titles i became attached to it because [TS]

  it was attached to that article which [TS]

  involved both me and steve jobs and and [TS]

  it was the inspiration for the show so [TS]

  it only makes sense for it to be the [TS]

  title ah but it does it does keep people [TS]

  away next item show duration here this [TS]

  one a lot shows are too long okay i can [TS]

  i can get on board with this one a [TS]

  little bit because you must suffer [TS]

  through them to know I it's never [TS]

  suffering and and it's [TS]

  but here's the thing mayotte may I jump [TS]

  in here go for it it's not that the [TS]

  shows are too long it's that the shows [TS]

  are longer than most other shows that [TS]

  other people would hear especially in [TS]

  the format that this show is which is [TS]

  pretty much you talking and I don't [TS]

  think that it's that they're too long I [TS]

  think it's longer than what many people [TS]

  are used to what many people expect and [TS]

  perhaps what many people have time for [TS]

  but I would my counterpoint to this [TS]

  before you respond is that's what makes [TS]

  the shows great and that any less time [TS]

  any less time than you devote to these [TS]

  things would be carelessness from your [TS]

  standpoint I think I'm not saying you [TS]

  would be careless I'm saying you feel [TS]

  because of your desire to be complete [TS]

  and to totally understand something and [TS]

  discuss it you must examine every point [TS]

  and for you to do any less would be a [TS]

  disservice and so the show bank argument [TS]

  logically it doesn't make it that much [TS]

  sense because as we both pointed out [TS]

  many times like you don't have to listen [TS]

  to an entire show in a single sitting I [TS]

  certainly don't like I I listened to [TS]

  even very short podcasts split up into [TS]

  pieces maybe some people find that [TS]

  off-putting but like you know when i'm [TS]

  on my commute when i get home i stop [TS]

  whatever podcast and listening to and [TS]

  it's always in the middle of one you [TS]

  know it's rarely at the end but as we [TS]

  just got done saying people are really [TS]

  logical and you know they just I well I [TS]

  just don't like listening to things [TS]

  split up like you know it even even [TS]

  ignoring the session length issue like I [TS]

  just want to have one listening session [TS]

  it needs to be a certain length and I [TS]

  don't like stopping in the middle as you [TS]

  said some people just don't have time to [TS]

  listen to two hours of audio in the week [TS]

  like maybe they don't have a commute or [TS]

  maybe they don't have two hours with [TS]

  dishes to wash or maybe they prefer [TS]

  music most of the time right and so if [TS]

  if your podcast is good enough a 30 [TS]

  minute or 60 minute podcast has a chance [TS]

  of snagging people who don't normally [TS]

  listen to podcast so if you're like all [TS]

  right well I don't normally have a place [TS]

  in my life where I listen to podcast [TS]

  again don't have a commuter don't I to [TS]

  listen to music other times or whatever [TS]

  if the podcast is really good and it's [TS]

  like 30-60 minutes maybe you can get [TS]

  some of those guys but it's like 90 or [TS]

  120 minutes forget it like it's really [TS]

  hard to get those people to come over to [TS]

  listen to your podcast if it's just so [TS]

  long right [TS]

  uh and so why the heck of my show so [TS]

  long and by the way there was another [TS]

  let me grab the link in the chat room [TS]

  there's another more complicated [TS]

  analysis of show length still showing a [TS]

  general upward trend but of course that [TS]

  trend and now because the show link will [TS]

  suddenly drop to zero driving yeah that [TS]

  the show length won't drop to zero there [TS]

  would just be no more shows yeah I guess [TS]

  I you're right uh so so why is this so [TS]

  long well the first thing is that [TS]

  preparation for the show makes shows [TS]

  shorter because when I know what I'm [TS]

  gonna say I don't like meander as much [TS]

  and I can kind of say okay i'm halfway i [TS]

  do i'ma quarter through whatever but [TS]

  even with our literally hours of [TS]

  preparation for each oh the the limiting [TS]

  factor is that i have a lot to say about [TS]

  these topics and thoroughness is part of [TS]

  the theme of the show right I said about [TS]

  my writing before that like the most [TS]

  important thing for me when I'm writing [TS]

  for a good or for ill is to get all the [TS]

  ideas I have out onto the page every [TS]

  little thing like you know I will find [TS]

  it frustrating if I get through a [TS]

  section and like a Mac os10 review or [TS]

  something it's like oh I wanted to also [TS]

  make one particular point about this one [TS]

  control in the interface and I have to [TS]

  find someplace to jam that I just want [TS]

  to get it all out like I want to I don't [TS]

  want to finish the thing and say I [TS]

  didn't make that point because I just [TS]

  didn't have room or something so I want [TS]

  to get it out and of course fault makes [TS]

  the show longer and it's also part of [TS]

  the same sort of thoroughness theme but [TS]

  it's but it's like you said like I have [TS]

  if I have what to say I want to get it a [TS]

  lot i don't feel satisfied if I haven't [TS]

  and I think that fits with the theme of [TS]

  the show that you know not wanting to [TS]

  let things go the thoroughness you know [TS]

  the attention to detail just the [TS]

  obsessed the general obsessiveness of [TS]

  the entire endeavor and that just plain [TS]

  results in long show so the preparation [TS]

  is a hedge against that but even even [TS]

  with the preparation all does is let me [TS]

  get my you know umpteen points out and [TS]

  make sure to make sure I got them all [TS]

  out and didn't miss any ah yeah next [TS]

  item and you touched on this already and [TS]

  maybe they should've been higher listed [TS]

  domination of a single voice which is [TS]

  mine no matter how much you like a [TS]

  person hearing too much from them can [TS]

  start to wear you down [TS]

  you you Dan are the co-host of the show [TS]

  but for the most part you let me talk [TS]

  when I want to talk well sir I mean I'd [TS]

  say this to Merlin is a joke it's your [TS]

  show this really is it's your show this [TS]

  your form of my role here from from day [TS]

  one is just to be supportive of that be [TS]

  give help help you keep this platform [TS]

  and you know the best it can be we're in [TS]

  sync today damn because the very next [TS]

  item of my whole point is it's my show [TS]

  you know as you're so fond of saying [TS]

  well you finally shared your notes with [TS]

  me yeah there you go I and this is in [TS]

  general how I want things uh but the [TS]

  downside of this format is that siracusa [TS]

  fatigue is a real risk especially with [TS]

  long shows right uh you know and a [TS]

  corollary to this is that this format of [TS]

  you know the single voice dominant thing [TS]

  makes it much harder for me to not that [TS]

  I'm good at this already but makes much [TS]

  harder for me to do any sort of decent [TS]

  interview like when we had Jeff Atwood [TS]

  on I talked to all rim which was always [TS]

  rude and terrible that's great but that [TS]

  like if you get acclimated to that it's [TS]

  like when you do the hyper go to a [TS]

  podcast you go into hyper critical [TS]

  podcast mode in your use of just being [TS]

  the singular voice uh that doesn't fit [TS]

  with lots of other formats like for [TS]

  example doing an interview type thing uh [TS]

  and that's a shame but that limits the [TS]

  show and in general having a single boys [TS]

  means that my peculiar taste dictate [TS]

  entire shows worth of material so I'm [TS]

  really interested in console controller [TS]

  so we do hall show on console [TS]

  controllers it might my own pet [TS]

  programming language peeves and things [TS]

  like that tons of stuff on tivo even if [TS]

  the rest of the world is not that [TS]

  interested in tivo toasters like you [TS]

  name it single voice means that you get [TS]

  everything that comes with that the good [TS]

  and the bad right and if it was a more [TS]

  balanced show like a second opinion [TS]

  could help veto topics that are too [TS]

  narrow or you know or at least rein me [TS]

  in when I'm wearing out my welcome on a [TS]

  single topic or something like that and [TS]

  that would help the show have broader [TS]

  appeal because if it was like if it was [TS]

  like an equal type of show where you [TS]

  have like two people going at the same [TS]

  time they could balance each other and [TS]

  try to get something that had a broader [TS]

  appeal because if you're not interested [TS]

  in things that I'm interested in a [TS]

  single voice show like this you just [TS]

  like like people skip entire episodes [TS]

  like oh we just started talking about [TS]

  programming languages I just tuned out [TS]

  and skip the whole episode ah and that's [TS]

  not the way to have a [TS]

  popular show was brought appeal so what [TS]

  why is this a single boy show i [TS]

  mentioned that that's what I wanted that [TS]

  is what I wanted out of the show I [TS]

  wanted to do a thing where we had a [TS]

  podcast and it was my podcast and I got [TS]

  to talk with the singular voice [TS]

  moderated by co-host yes and like that I [TS]

  think is it a totally essential element [TS]

  hmm because I've tried and failed [TS]

  several times to record things on my own [TS]

  with no co-host and it just does not [TS]

  work uh and I'm the wing of the wind [TS]

  beneath your wings if you yes and we [TS]

  remember when you went on vacation or [TS]

  not vacation when you moved your house [TS]

  it's like the UH in the secret of NIMH [TS]

  when the Brisby move their house that's [TS]

  where I'm at in your movies that's [TS]

  exactly what it was the rats and the [TS]

  alleys and yes yes that I meaning in [TS]

  every detail exactly like someone got [TS]

  crushed underneath a cinder block it was [TS]

  messy Oh ademas sorry Helen when you and [TS]

  you had a guest host stand in so he was [TS]

  not just it you know who was a Ryan [TS]

  Ireland yeah I think Ryan Ireland uh [TS]

  stood in for for me back then he did a [TS]

  great job and he'd also hosted the show [TS]

  with Marco but uh you know it just [TS]

  wasn't the same maybe because like you [TS]

  know those were his first first time [TS]

  ever talking to me in person and the [TS]

  first couple shows and he you know he [TS]

  did a good job filling the role of a [TS]

  co-host but it's not just any co-host [TS]

  like I think you in particular provide a [TS]

  certain essential ingredient to this [TS]

  podcast ah so I think that does have to [TS]

  be a co-host in the mix and not just any [TS]

  Coast because it like those shows were [TS]

  different then the shows that the you [TS]

  host but I wanted the overall show to [TS]

  have a singular voice the same way I got [TS]

  your own blog has a singular voice right [TS]

  like you know hi vulajin or something [TS]

  like that is your voice it's not and [TS]

  it's not even moderated by a co-host or [TS]

  anything basement blog you don't need to [TS]

  co something I but like that's it's this [TS]

  is the podcast version of a blog I [TS]

  wanted some ones that I want to hear [TS]

  what this one person has say I go on [TS]

  this is his podcast I'll listen to him [TS]

  talk right and part of your roles also [TS]

  that you are sort of standing in you are [TS]

  the advocate for the audience a little [TS]

  bit like right whether it's just looking [TS]

  at the chat room or thinking of the [TS]

  questions that are going to come up in [TS]

  the audience's mind and so on and so [TS]

  forth so I mean you know because we and [TS]

  that's the thing is that that like you [TS]

  mentioned before where we'll have [TS]

  follow-up because we won't you know we [TS]

  might say something or you might be [TS]

  talking about something and maybe you [TS]

  get a something that's not hun percent [TS]

  right a lot of the time the chat room [TS]

  will channel that but when I hear you [TS]

  say something a lot at the time and I [TS]

  just there's something in my gut it says [TS]

  wait a minute this doesn't happen a lot [TS]

  especially not when we're talking about [TS]

  technical stuff because they you you've [TS]

  got all that figured out when we're [TS]

  talking about the other stuff that that [TS]

  where there's like a judgment involved [TS]

  and I think well maybe I needs you know [TS]

  what are they going to say to that and [TS]

  I'm you know you've got it I've got to [TS]

  jump in so maybe it's just that maybe [TS]

  it's just that you feel that you know [TS]

  you're not alone talking into a mic and [TS]

  even though you know there's an audience [TS]

  there listening having me here you know [TS]

  I did it makes it more of a discussion [TS]

  even though it's it's pretty much your [TS]

  turn on the podium the whole time yeah [TS]

  yeah so like i said i think i think that [TS]

  does limit the appeal of the show [TS]

  because no matter how it's like if [TS]

  anybody think of your favorite celebrity [TS]

  like like a Ricky Gervais so like say [TS]

  you're a big fan of him or something I [TS]

  mean he's he's great if it were my [TS]

  choice you're my favorite celebrity he [TS]

  was just a show with him totally even [TS]

  the shows that he does he has this [TS]

  partner that be kind of bounces off but [TS]

  it's more equal night so just having [TS]

  like having a single person dominated [TS]

  blog I feel it much easier to deal with [TS]

  than having a single person dominated [TS]

  podcast so it you know especially if you [TS]

  know if you if you if that person is not [TS]

  like likable and appealing that really [TS]

  limits how how many people are going to [TS]

  be able to listen to and like the show [TS]

  but that by that's what I wanted that so [TS]

  I wanted was a single voice podcast [TS]

  that's what I got ah next item it's [TS]

  wrong with hypercritical podcast is want [TS]

  me wanting to discuss topics that are [TS]

  outside my areas of expertise all right [TS]

  not doing enough background research on [TS]

  those topics what's an example of one of [TS]

  those well get the examples I mentioned [TS]

  the past shows that I'm not a journalist [TS]

  and because i can't just write about any [TS]

  topic like a real journalist you just [TS]

  throw it a topic they'll learn about and [TS]

  talk about it ah it you know in general [TS]

  when i do writing i stick to what I [TS]

  actually know stuff about or I'm close [TS]

  to knowing about so i can do a little [TS]

  bit of research and figure it out uh and [TS]

  though i have you no interest in [TS]

  passionate about lots of topics [TS]

  I break the format a little bit when I [TS]

  tackle things on the podcast that they [TS]

  have little practical experience with [TS]

  and it changes for me the podcast then [TS]

  changes from me sharing informed [TS]

  opinions and backgrounds with the [TS]

  audience to me having what one listener [TS]

  once described as a slow-motion argument [TS]

  with the Internet where where it'll be [TS]

  like me discussing something with all [TS]

  listeners in the show but in slow motion [TS]

  because I get to have my say then they [TS]

  do a bunch of fall and then it comes [TS]

  back around then we go on and on [TS]

  examples of this urban we talked about [TS]

  patents or voting technology or geek [TS]

  culture areas where I'm not an expert in [TS]

  any of them and tried to say that up [TS]

  front but that it changes the the nature [TS]

  of the show in a strange way and it does [TS]

  turn into the you know slow motion [TS]

  discussion / argument with the entire [TS]

  internet or the audience of the show so [TS]

  why why do I do that why not stick the [TS]

  topics that I know well well as we [TS]

  already established it is a single voice [TS]

  podcast and I do have an interest in [TS]

  those topics and I want to discuss them [TS]

  ah and I actually like that slow motion [TS]

  argument with listeners experience for [TS]

  the most part although I'd college [TS]

  discussion not an argument I actually [TS]

  enjoy that that's why I do it so much is [TS]

  why we had 17 episodes about patents [TS]

  where I just kept talking about it [TS]

  beginning it was I kind of like that it [TS]

  does kind of split the pot guests into [TS]

  two kinds of episodes though the kind [TS]

  where I know the kind where I generally [TS]

  know more about a topic than most of the [TS]

  audience and the kind where I do not hmm [TS]

  but I don't like some people like one [TS]

  kind of episode some people like the [TS]

  other some people like hearing you know [TS]

  me talk about my mac OS 10 review where [TS]

  I've you know already thought about [TS]

  these issues and research them and know [TS]

  about them ahead of time and have [TS]

  written about them then I'm just [TS]

  clarifying that people like those things [TS]

  or talk about the top of good I know [TS]

  about like programming languages or you [TS]

  know file systems or something like that [TS]

  and other people like the episodes bar [TS]

  that are more open-ended where I'm [TS]

  talking about something that there [TS]

  aren't as many hard and fast things and [TS]

  I don't even know all the facts are [TS]

  background like patents or you know geek [TS]

  culture something some people like those [TS]

  type of episodes I like to have both [TS]

  kinds of episodes in the podcast but it [TS]

  does make it so it kind of splits the [TS]

  podcast and to where you never know what [TS]

  you're going to get if you tune in [TS]

  because you heard like the Walter [TS]

  Isaacson thing where i know tons about [TS]

  Steve Jobs and everything I can you know [TS]

  really dissect that book like oh wow I [TS]

  want to hear this guy talk about the [TS]

  things that he's an expert in and I do [TS]

  the next show on patents where I man [TS]

  admitted non-expert [TS]

  like what happened to the show I was [TS]

  listening to and by the same token if [TS]

  you like oh I like that geek culture [TS]

  episode you find out that that's [TS]

  generally not the type of thing that I [TS]

  talked about this kind of squishy topics [TS]

  and instead I do an episode about the [TS]

  details of the wii u controller it's [TS]

  like what happened to the podcast I [TS]

  wanted to listen to me right so you [TS]

  can't I'm you know you can't please [TS]

  everyone with both of those topics and [TS]

  it does it you know it's like it's like [TS]

  to podcasts in one and the people who [TS]

  like one are probably not going to like [TS]

  the other as much alright and the final [TS]

  item again this is not like the last [TS]

  thing that's wrong with the show there [TS]

  are many many many more things wrong and [TS]

  I bet you and the audience can list them [TS]

  on your own maybe make your own list but [TS]

  this is the one I stopped on because i [TS]

  figured that like you know diminishing [TS]

  returns like i've hit the highlights the [TS]

  final thing is wrong with the podcast is [TS]

  it's not a full-time job for me [TS]

  everything about this show would be [TS]

  improved with more time and effort on my [TS]

  part i would have more time for [TS]

  preparation instead of just preparing [TS]

  for several hours like i do it would be [TS]

  prepare and then go back and edit the [TS]

  preparation which I generally don't have [TS]

  time to do like I go from top to bottom [TS]

  prepare my notes and like that take [TS]

  several hours and said put in the links [TS]

  and that's it I don't have time to go [TS]

  back again and again and go over it you [TS]

  know I could if I did I could formulate [TS]

  actual segments like to try to have more [TS]

  complex segments with more moving parts [TS]

  and more interesting things in them I [TS]

  could do much better background research [TS]

  on things but like it is a limited [TS]

  amount I'm I can dedicate to this uh and [TS]

  since it's not my full-time job I never [TS]

  did learn many of the skills that can [TS]

  help improve a podcast in general like a [TS]

  proper diction and less mumbling more [TS]

  polished segues between segments fewer [TS]

  um Xand us and all the verbal tics and [TS]

  saying right with a question mark after [TS]

  every have you listened to to the shows [TS]

  that you started out doing you know [TS]

  ninety some episodes back compare [TS]

  yourself to the way you are now you're a [TS]

  pro I mean first of all you were really [TS]

  good in the beginning but your total pro [TS]

  now you don't have any of those things [TS]

  anymore I've improved but I can fight [TS]

  all the time like a you know I'm saying [TS]

  is that if it was a full-time job I feel [TS]

  confident that I would be better at [TS]

  these things and so if you're listening [TS]

  to a podcast for two years you know like [TS]

  Jesus guys still almond his way through [TS]

  this and it's driving me nuts and you're [TS]

  right like after two years you would [TS]

  think wouldn't he'd be better after two [TS]

  years but like I'm doing this for a [TS]

  couple of hours a week it's not a [TS]

  full-time job like [TS]

  you know I'm not gonna say I'm not a [TS]

  professional podcaster because I am [TS]

  technically a professional podcaster but [TS]

  it is not a full-time job and if you [TS]

  listen to podcasts you know from like [TS]

  your podcast is your full-time job right [TS]

  like there's a difference in level of [TS]

  Polish about you know sort of beyond [TS]

  their skills between these type of [TS]

  things that you know and for podcast [TS]

  like mine that I think this is a [TS]

  difference in terms of the amount of [TS]

  research you like listen to you know [TS]

  radio lab or something or this american [TS]

  life you might have work and that goes [TS]

  into an episode of this american life is [TS]

  tremendous it's like it's like more work [TS]

  done it to my entire podcast right and [TS]

  then they have like a one hour show out [TS]

  of that huge amount of work that's [TS]

  obviously that's extreme obvious i could [TS]

  never attain that level but they have an [TS]

  entire staff and these people have been [TS]

  doing it for 20 years right but it just [TS]

  goes to show if you had more time to put [TS]

  into the podcast would be better so i [TS]

  think that kind of you know separates [TS]

  the podcast world into it shows that are [TS]

  done by like a staff of super [TS]

  experienced people and this is their [TS]

  full-time job versus shows that are done [TS]

  by some dude for a couple hours a week [TS]

  and there's a line between those and not [TS]

  saying you know i enjoy lots of shows [TS]

  that are just like that like you know [TS]

  roderick online for example I think [TS]

  Roderick just shows up for that one and [TS]

  talks for an hour and that's it and I [TS]

  still love it but that is a different [TS]

  kind of show than this american life and [TS]

  the whole range in between you know with [TS]

  five by five shows Spang the spectrum in [TS]

  there right but that is a thing wrong [TS]

  with the show and so here are my overall [TS]

  comments on the show after going through [TS]

  my list of things that are specifically [TS]

  wrong with it again feel free to make [TS]

  your own list feel free to email me your [TS]

  things that are on the show i will not [TS]

  be able to follow up on them but it will [TS]

  read them ah so i think a common dream [TS]

  among creative people i don't have a [TS]

  phrases creative people who do creative [TS]

  things people who like create something [TS]

  and put it out there for the world to [TS]

  consume a common dream among a lot of [TS]

  those people is to do something that [TS]

  you're really passionate about like [TS]

  whatever it is that you love i love [TS]

  podcasting i love painting all that [TS]

  painting horses you just want to you [TS]

  know I really love painting or so I'm [TS]

  totally going to do that you want to do [TS]

  something you super passionate about and [TS]

  then also have millions of people love [TS]

  it and love you for doing it right I [TS]

  just did the right thing I do it all the [TS]

  time anyway [TS]

  but in the end you can only control one [TS]

  part of that dream you can't really [TS]

  control whether millions of people love [TS]

  horse paintings you can only control [TS]

  whether you do the thing that you're [TS]

  passionate about and so hyper critical [TS]

  as a podcast was I think a great [TS]

  reflection of my passions and interests [TS]

  and my personality like I did the first [TS]

  part of it I did the what are you [TS]

  interested in do that thing you're [TS]

  passionate about uh and I you know I [TS]

  can't control the other half of it of [TS]

  how many people like it and [TS]

  unfortunately doing things that were [TS]

  focused on what my interest severely [TS]

  limited the appeal of the program yeah [TS]

  like I yes that the popularity [TS]

  hypercritical was also limited by all [TS]

  the bad things that is discussed but [TS]

  they're also limited by the peel of me [TS]

  as a person and there's there's an ethos [TS]

  that embraces this type of phenomenon [TS]

  where you go oh well I'm too high per [TS]

  liter regular people know this podcast [TS]

  is not like it's it's way too [TS]

  complicated for you know like you you [TS]

  know that the world is not most of the [TS]

  world is not going to be interested in [TS]

  to you know you know the most the world [TS]

  is not interested in horse paintings see [TS]

  all you know these parts paintings are [TS]

  much issa fistik ater for you it is all [TS]

  I'm only I'm only speaking to the other [TS]

  horse painting aficionados out there [TS]

  right and I think that's mostly like a [TS]

  preemptive defense against being [TS]

  rejected by the world because you just [TS]

  like I know you're gonna reject me so [TS]

  let me just go out and say I'm this is [TS]

  very exclusive this is you know I don't [TS]

  know if that's a hipster thing or [TS]

  whatever with it yeah you can't listen [TS]

  to the show it's much much too [TS]

  complicated for you right uh so well I [TS]

  acknowledge the effects that my very [TS]

  specific interest have on the audience [TS]

  and how deeply you know I care about [TS]

  them I want to do the apps i want to [TS]

  also extractor expand by audience by [TS]

  conveying these passions about horse [TS]

  paintings or whatever in a way that [TS]

  makes other people care about them too [TS]

  so I very careful not to say oh no what [TS]

  you know your mom shouldn't listen to [TS]

  hypercritical even though I find myself [TS]

  saying that all the time too but like I [TS]

  tried to I try to be inclusive and not [TS]

  say okay well I'm really passionate [TS]

  about video game controllers and it's it [TS]

  you probably wouldn't haven't heard of [TS]

  it so you know maybe you shouldn't let's [TS]

  do it i wanted the opposite i want to [TS]

  successfully have a show that will make [TS]

  successfully have a show that will make [TS]

  some person who doesn't care about a [TS]

  topic care about them like some of my [TS]

  favorite feedback is when someone tells [TS]

  me that they never even thought about [TS]

  some topic before but then they listen [TS]

  to me talk about it for two hours [TS]

  enjoyed every minute of it like I've [TS]

  never played video games before but I [TS]

  listened to your to our thing on video [TS]

  game controls and I loved it or I don't [TS]

  even use a Mac but listen to your Mac [TS]

  os10 things and I was really interested [TS]

  in that is the best kind of feedback [TS]

  that's what I'm trying to do with the [TS]

  show uh and so it's me sticking to the [TS]

  thing that I'm passionate about and just [TS]

  totally doing that and even though I [TS]

  can't control the having millions of [TS]

  people love it part I can at least not [TS]

  preemptively close myself off by saying [TS]

  that the show is to to elite for regular [TS]

  people so to sum up I I think I feel [TS]

  good about the body of work so to speak [TS]

  that I'm leaving behind these 100 [TS]

  episodes I think buried among all of [TS]

  these silliness and blabbering and [TS]

  meandering there was some actual good [TS]

  inside and tech analysis buried in their [TS]

  little nuggets of it if I had more time [TS]

  I could have written a nice google [TS]

  searchable blog post about every one of [TS]

  those topics like it was the mark twain [TS]

  thing if I had more time over to bring a [TS]

  shorter letter that's totally true like [TS]

  when I that's part of the reason I [TS]

  wanted to applaud cast is because i [TS]

  found i wasn't blogging that much but I [TS]

  had all these ideas like you know what [TS]

  if I could just sitting from them like [TS]

  we're going to talk about them yes [TS]

  there'd be a lot of flab and stuff but i [TS]

  would get out these one or two or three [TS]

  little insights or tidbits or opinions [TS]

  that i wanted to get out right uh and [TS]

  you know but i couldn't so podcasting [TS]

  was perfect for that and podcasting [TS]

  feels a different role I think than [TS]

  blogging you know tech blogging in a [TS]

  typical tech blog type of thing where [TS]

  it's not just information at insight and [TS]

  analysis is also hopefully entertainment [TS]

  it could even be like companionship or [TS]

  you know auditory comfort of just [TS]

  hearing those voices hearing that [TS]

  hypercritical theme song startup you [TS]

  know mm-hmm and sometimes it's just [TS]

  background noise sometimes just when [TS]

  you're cleaning the house you want to [TS]

  have something on its background oh it's [TS]

  nuts you can't you can't do that with a [TS]

  blog post right uh so I I want to thank [TS]

  all the listeners who wrote in over the [TS]

  years even if I didn't talk about your [TS]

  feedback on the show and for the vast [TS]

  majority of it I did not talk about your [TS]

  feedback on the show because there's [TS]

  only so much room in the show and the [TS]

  follow-up was long enough as it was I [TS]

  rest assured that I did read it [TS]

  I want to thank you Dan for hounding me [TS]

  until I did the show I'm reminded of [TS]

  Daniel jackets often stated policy of [TS]

  saying yes to things even when every [TS]

  part of your minded body is telling you [TS]

  to say no I don't totally agree with [TS]

  that philosophy but like most good [TS]

  advice it's I think it's good in small [TS]

  doses and this was doing this podcast at [TS]

  all was definitely a case of that and I [TS]

  guess finally before we do the QA Dana [TS]

  malt of this show oh I'm trying to put a [TS]

  bow tie on the entire podcast and I will [TS]

  do so by paraphrasing Dickie Fox from [TS]

  the end of a well-known movie I don't [TS]

  know if you can guess the movie my video [TS]

  audience can as well look I don't have [TS]

  all the answers to be honest in this [TS]

  podcast I failed as often as I succeeded [TS]

  but I've loved doing it I don't regret a [TS]

  single episode and i wish you my kind of [TS]

  success do you really think i won't know [TS]

  that movie i don't know if you know move [TS]

  either i can never guess what you're [TS]

  gonna know it is one of the i have there [TS]

  there's like three movies make me cry [TS]

  it's not one of them is that rude the [TS]

  first one is Rushmore the second one is [TS]

  Jerry Maguire the third one is it's a [TS]

  wonderful life it's a wonderful life oh [TS]

  man I know I'm so I'm sentimental guy [TS]

  what can I say I don't guess that one so [TS]

  my guess is that it this isn't from [TS]

  Rushmore you get those curso must be [TS]

  Jeremy glory but i do love Rushmore [TS]

  alright then you're on ok well we still [TS]

  got two more sponsors I mean that's we [TS]

  still got to pay the bills on this thing [TS]

  I know what you a nod to haven't turned [TS]

  it in yet you can't you know you have [TS]

  unlimited time oh really well you know [TS]

  because we're an hour in unlimited with [TS]

  scare quotes there's a lot of pressure [TS]

  on me though because if I don't ask the [TS]

  questions that the listeners you know [TS]

  what really their chance then they have [TS]

  it alright this can just be I so you're [TS]

  you're clearing me of all everything's [TS]

  coming up milhouse tan it's like [TS]

  international immunity like I'm a damn a [TS]

  diplomat I can do no wrong yeah [TS]

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  get one image or you can create these [TS]

  light boxes there's an iPad app for this [TS]

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  shutterstock.com southworth in the [TS]

  chatroom said I agree with the am [TS]

  Benjamin so far every criticism that [TS]

  John made has been part of what makes a [TS]

  show great oh that's that's part of it [TS]

  though but like that if you're going to [TS]

  say what's wrong with the show this is [TS]

  what's wrong with the show like the same [TS]

  things that make the people who really [TS]

  like the show like it repel other people [TS]

  that's just the nature of the show can i [TS]

  gets back tomorrow saying about like [TS]

  doing being true to yourself and doing [TS]

  what you're passionate about and [TS]

  recognizing that maybe that's actually [TS]

  going to cause millions of people not to [TS]

  love you right so you know this is much [TS]

  better to do that than to do the [TS]

  opposite you know you want to have both [TS]

  but if you concentrate on the other side [TS]

  let me just do things that is going to [TS]

  make the world love me and make this a [TS]

  wildly popular show you will not be [TS]

  happy because you won't be doing what it [TS]

  is that you want to do and it's a luxury [TS]

  to be able to do this to be able to say [TS]

  okay this isn't my full-time job like [TS]

  just make the show about what I want and [TS]

  not care that I'm limiting the appeal to [TS]

  show but those are things that are you [TS]

  know wrong with the show for from the [TS]

  perspective of most people all right I'm [TS]

  ready for your cues all right let me see [TS]

  what I'm where I can start now I some of [TS]

  these questions I believe may have not [TS]

  Mannix I have a whole list here but [TS]

  there are some questions here that that [TS]

  I may have sort of [TS]

  asked you but because this is in many [TS]

  ways they you know a montage if you will [TS]

  retrospective that I would like to ask [TS]

  perhaps some of them again so one could [TS]

  have changed right possibly you know I [TS]

  think over the castaic may I make a [TS]

  statement I have a prepared state you [TS]

  may well I would like to say thanks very [TS]

  much to you for doing this show not just [TS]

  for doing it in general but for doing [TS]

  100 episodes of it you know we said on [TS]

  the show few episodes back where you [TS]

  announced it was coming to an end and I [TS]

  said then you know you you never really [TS]

  yeah i'll do i'll do a few we'll see [TS]

  what happens i'll do a few more we'll [TS]

  see what happened and it's been such a [TS]

  great run it's been so much fun for me [TS]

  every single episode doing the show with [TS]

  you it's it's done so much for me on a [TS]

  personal level I know it's done a [TS]

  tremendous amount for the folks that [TS]

  lived listened in all this time and and [TS]

  it's just been something great to to [TS]

  have on five by five and thanks to you [TS]

  for doing it and I'm glad you said yes [TS]

  and anytime you want to come back on [TS]

  anything ever will be here so thanks [TS]

  John so what did the beginning not Dan [TS]

  sleep well most likely kill you in the [TS]

  morning alright so here's the question [TS]

  what is a day in the life like for John [TS]

  siracusa the irregular guy I don't care [TS]

  I don't care about yours I'm not gonna [TS]

  ask you what your thoughts on techna [TS]

  where do you think we'll be headed in [TS]

  2015 with portable computing I whole [TS]

  cares about that crap that's a blog post [TS]

  I want to I want to get to know the man [TS]

  once again what's a day in your life [TS]

  like as personal as you care to get it's [TS]

  pretty boring it's let let us be the [TS]

  judge of that place alright so I wake up [TS]

  usually with the alarm because i have to [TS]

  wake up before the kids wake up go down [TS]

  and get their breakfast ready and then [TS]

  wake them up try to give them maximum [TS]

  amount of time in bed because at this [TS]

  point they're both sleepy before they go [TS]

  off to school so appointed by the time I [TS]

  wake them up their breakfast is ready [TS]

  then I have to get both of them down to [TS]

  eat their breakfast which is not always [TS]

  easy to be sometimes that I want to get [TS]

  out of bed then they eat their breakfast [TS]

  and then I go up [TS]

  and uh my wife comes down because that's [TS]

  when she showered she prepares to lunch [TS]

  I take my shower I'm out of the shower [TS]

  and then my wife goes off to work and I [TS]

  get them onto the bus they go off onto [TS]

  the bus I eat my breakfast go into work [TS]

  spend all day at work around 5pm leave [TS]

  work pick up my kids from school because [TS]

  they're both in the same school now [TS]

  which is convenient uh pick them up get [TS]

  all their stuff bring them back home [TS]

  make a dinner feed them dinner make sure [TS]

  they do their homework and their reading [TS]

  and whatever musical instrument practice [TS]

  or whatever they have ah then get them [TS]

  teeth brushed into bed bath if it's a [TS]

  bath day and once they go to sleep then [TS]

  my time begins you know about my time [TS]

  Dan as a parent to special a special [TS]

  alone time quality alone time no it's [TS]

  not so much alone is adult time a [TS]

  different from the time I've woken up my [TS]

  time has not been my time my time has [TS]

  been my children's time or you know I [TS]

  works time now finally I have time to do [TS]

  something myself usually what that is is [TS]

  to collapse on the couch and watch [TS]

  couple television shows then go to bed [TS]

  but you know say if it's a day before a [TS]

  show or sometime before a show i'm doing [TS]

  show prep and then going to bed or if I [TS]

  have another podcast to do that and then [TS]

  go to bed occasionally I will you know [TS]

  doodle around the computer for a little [TS]

  bit but in general I try not to be on [TS]

  the computer and after work I'm trying [TS]

  to limit the amount of time on the [TS]

  computer you know that if there's a [TS]

  video game that I'm playing maybe I [TS]

  would give that game an hour instead of [TS]

  an hour of television and then go to bed [TS]

  but I don't play that many games so [TS]

  that's that's it that's a typical day [TS]

  weekend days are different because they [TS]

  have kids activities that I'm ferrying [TS]

  them too but it's similar what's your [TS]

  commute like half an hour 45 minutes [TS]

  with traffic driving in your car use [TS]

  plug public transportation driving my [TS]

  car listening to podcasts headphones are [TS]

  in the stereo the car if I'm in a car [TS]

  that supports it through the stereo I do [TS]

  it through stereo if I not I do [TS]

  headphones but you're only allowed to [TS]

  have one headphone in legally in [TS]

  Massachusetts while you're driving I [TS]

  mean it doesn't it doesn't make a [TS]

  difference it's just people talking or [TS]

  it's not here and I'm missing this [TS]

  stereo sound [TS]

  two voices as many people were surprised [TS]

  to find out over the course of doing the [TS]

  show you you do not write full time for [TS]

  Ars Technica nope you do not podcast [TS]

  full time I do not you have a job you [TS]

  are a software developer in a [TS]

  undisclosed Boston health care company [TS]

  yep I got a j.o.b job but but what you [TS]

  call course dude shop yep and you are do [TS]

  you enjoy your work I do for the most [TS]

  part like I've said on past things where [TS]

  people like you know you don't like [TS]

  right for all time for our Tecna would [TS]

  you like to like is that what you really [TS]

  want to do and same thing with [TS]

  podcasting and I think the answer is [TS]

  probably no because like I've been doing [TS]

  I've been the professional programmer [TS]

  since I graduated college and I don't [TS]

  get tired of that like I'm some people [TS]

  do programming like I can't take it [TS]

  anymore like I I don't want to be a [TS]

  program your ID I like programming I [TS]

  like doing it and it's something that [TS]

  apparently i can do for years on end [TS]

  without getting bored with it because [TS]

  it's just always one interesting problem [TS]

  after another and this you know [TS]

  interesting problems to be solved [TS]

  whereas i think if i did podcasting full [TS]

  time are writing full-time i'm not sure [TS]

  i would have the sort of the same [TS]

  endurance it's hard for me to tell [TS]

  because those two activities are always [TS]

  like be the extras added onto my [TS]

  full-time job so maybe it's just that [TS]

  you know I I feel like I couldn't [TS]

  possibly take being a writer full time [TS]

  because I just know how exhausting it is [TS]

  writing but I'm doing the writing on top [TS]

  of my normal you know for the hour-plus [TS]

  job week so but anyway I do enjoy [TS]

  program and I do like still doing it [TS]

  like you know at various times at [TS]

  various jobs I've had different amounts [TS]

  of management responsibilities managing [TS]

  other people and having done a little [TS]

  bit of that that does not appeal to me [TS]

  as much as just being a programmer does [TS]

  right so I maybe I'm limiting my own [TS]

  possible success in my working life by [TS]

  having that opinion but that's that's [TS]

  what I like doing I like programming if [TS]

  all of a sudden you were wealthy beyond [TS]

  your wildest dreams you had enough for [TS]

  your family you had enough for your [TS]

  children your children's children and [TS]

  there was no more that you could [TS]

  possibly do to get paid to increase that [TS]

  wealth no matter how hard you worked or [TS]

  what you invest it was just it was there [TS]

  it was done would you still work and [TS]

  what would you do I would probably start [TS]

  a software company [TS]

  I had unlimited money what I would want [TS]

  to do with my free time after spending [TS]

  tremendous amount of free time doing all [TS]

  the things you'd normally do like [TS]

  getting a new house and buying nice cars [TS]

  and all the other interests that I did [TS]

  you go sit on the beach or anything that [TS]

  I can't indulge well the new house would [TS]

  be near a beach open the new cars you [TS]

  know like that Oh as I'm very interested [TS]

  in cars but they don't have enough money [TS]

  to buy fancy ones and I'm very [TS]

  interested in living by the beach but [TS]

  can't afford that so I would do all that [TS]

  but once I was done with that like what [TS]

  would I do with my time in addition to [TS]

  you know setting up a really fancy [TS]

  entertainment center lots of cool [TS]

  computers and all that stuff I would [TS]

  probably start a software company I [TS]

  would hire other developers and I would [TS]

  myself would be a developer and I would [TS]

  write software for the mac for iOS and [TS]

  stuff like that uh whatever kind of [TS]

  software i wanted i wouldn't care [TS]

  whether it's old because hey i don't [TS]

  have to worry about money anymore now [TS]

  basically i would have enough money to [TS]

  sort of find the best programmers that i [TS]

  know and pay them lots of money to [TS]

  create the software applications that i [TS]

  wish existed in the world maybe i would [TS]

  get bored of that that's that's my [TS]

  that's my go-to plan so G ok so that's [TS]

  that's good is that would you say that [TS]

  that's your dream though I mean that's a [TS]

  good thing to have in the fantasy world [TS]

  but if that's your dream would you have [TS]

  a dream is there something that you feel [TS]

  like my dream is just not to have to [TS]

  work so you know is I'm the team if you [TS]

  could keep the life exactly the way that [TS]

  it is now but just know working well see [TS]

  I'm one of those people like loss [TS]

  aversion is one of my big motivating [TS]

  factors so I'm very conservative you [TS]

  know it's why I got a j-o-b job right [TS]

  you know some people have the j-o-b job [TS]

  and can't like can't stand it it drives [TS]

  them nuts it doesn't drive me nuts I [TS]

  apparently have a high tolerance for it [TS]

  what drives me nuts is you know [TS]

  uncertainty and not knowing what comes [TS]

  next so some people like the [TS]

  entrepreneurial spirit is like where the [TS]

  you know the fear in danger of being on [TS]

  your own uh is outweighed by how [TS]

  agonizing you find working for the man [TS]

  all right so like you or marker or [TS]

  whatever like that balance flipped and [TS]

  you said you know what even though going [TS]

  out on your own too scary and there's [TS]

  lots of work and you know uncertainty [TS]

  and everything it's still way better [TS]

  than what what I'm going through now and [TS]

  so you see switch over and I've that [TS]

  we'll probably never switch for me the [TS]

  only way or whatever it would ever [TS]

  switch is if I just didn't have to worry [TS]

  about anything anymore got unlimited [TS]

  money or enough money so that just might [TS]

  as well be unlimited and then the loss [TS]

  in the version to lost motivation goes [TS]

  away and it's like all right well I [TS]

  don't have to worry about that anymore [TS]

  so now I can do whatever I want and then [TS]

  you can try all sorts of risky things [TS]

  and that otherwise those same risky [TS]

  things were I didn't that would drive me [TS]

  nuts and I would be up all night and I [TS]

  would be stressing out and pull my hair [TS]

  out and give myself a heart condition [TS]

  and just you know it would not make me [TS]

  happy to do it in the current situation [TS]

  but if you could remove all the risk [TS]

  from it then suddenly it's acceptable so [TS]

  yeah that's since I'm motivated by fear [TS]

  of I uncertainty and fear of loss all I [TS]

  want is for that to be taken away for [TS]

  everything to be taken care of and just [TS]

  only thing I have to worry about is just [TS]

  you know my health and safety and and [TS]

  stuff like that and not to worry about [TS]

  money anymore like forest gump in the [TS]

  forest gump movie where he's like ah got [TS]

  the email we got the apple stock or [TS]

  whatever and he says man told me I [TS]

  wouldn't have to worry about money [TS]

  anymore it's one less thing yeah that's [TS]

  it's that one less thing is the one main [TS]

  thing because you know all security in [TS]

  the modern civilized world traces itself [TS]

  back to money so I'm much more [TS]

  comfortable having a steady paycheck [TS]

  even if it's not a big paycheck you know [TS]

  rather than the potential huge upside of [TS]

  going in on my own because because of [TS]

  all the associated risk and uncertainty [TS]

  that comes with that that would just [TS]

  stress me out I'm much more comfortable [TS]

  in my corporate stooge job ok I've got [TS]

  more questions for you get to do our [TS]

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  you probably have like a gallery of [TS]

  their our work whether it's you know [TS]

  drawings that they've done or [TS]

  achievements or report cards things like [TS]

  that up on the fridge eventually though [TS]

  you run out of room so you want to take [TS]

  something down be like wow I like that [TS]

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  so what do you do you feel guilty and [TS]

  you take the stuff down well you don't [TS]

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  create a little magnet and your child's [TS]

  personal [TS]

  nized refrigerator and use the magnet to [TS]

  hang a digital photo of their [TS]

  accomplishment this is all in the ipad [TS]

  act very cool you can add a title [TS]

  account of the description you can even [TS]

  have your kid describing the photo of [TS]

  this artwork or whatever it is in their [TS]

  own voice and unlike your real fridge [TS]

  the infinite refrigerator keeps this [TS]

  stuff forever you can click on a [TS]

  calendar that's by the little fridge and [TS]

  you travel through time to see what the [TS]

  frig look like last week last month last [TS]

  year you get all those annotations with [TS]

  it it's really really cool and comes [TS]

  with that like a blue fridge if you want [TS]

  to unlock other colors you can do that [TS]

  for a buck 99 but it's free to start out [TS]

  with its it infinite refrigerator dot [TS]

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  don't throw stuff out this is a real [TS]

  problem that I didn't think about before [TS]

  I was apparent but now that I am like [TS]

  they produce a tremendous amount of work [TS]

  and and it's all good stuff you don't [TS]

  want to throw it all out but at a [TS]

  certain point you're like all right well [TS]

  like it's me having a fire hazard we [TS]

  have to we have to prune and so you we [TS]

  do the thing where we take pictures I [TS]

  mean I guess that's what this Apple [TS]

  before but you know dedicate that but [TS]

  like you know you weeded out and you're [TS]

  like oh ok well we just kind of throw [TS]

  stuff out but at least take a picture of [TS]

  that one because it's cute and ya know [TS]

  what the thing is you're taking a [TS]

  picture of it sometimes a year after it [TS]

  was done so then you have to have some [TS]

  other way to note what the date of the [TS]

  thing is everything and we only did some [TS]

  we're pruning so I should check out this [TS]

  app to see if it will help ya ah now [TS]

  although I wish it were just confined to [TS]

  my fridge because my kids stuff is just [TS]

  spreading over the walls of this listen [TS]

  it's nice but uh yeah dude you have I [TS]

  don't know how much how what's the [TS]

  artistic output of your children at this [TS]

  point uh the boy will I mean he's at [TS]

  school it seems like they come home with [TS]

  something I'm almost every day sometimes [TS]

  they'll work on something for a couple [TS]

  days you know get a little bit of space [TS]

  but he's he's very into he's in a stage [TS]

  now where he's starting it into like [TS]

  remote control cars and building things [TS]

  with Legos as we say you know and that [TS]

  kind of stuff now so the drawing output [TS]

  has decreased but the shrinky dink [TS]

  output has increased [TS]

  so and those all have magnets attached [TS]

  to them so they go up on the fridge also [TS]

  shrink eating said my name is what you [TS]

  can you can they come with a little [TS]

  amount block of magnet yeah after [TS]

  they've been cooked you can glue it on I [TS]

  remember shrinky dinks i don't think i [TS]

  ever did them with my kids I don't know [TS]

  they still made him yeah they're they're [TS]

  quite expensive for the two sheets that [TS]

  you get for 15 bucks but there there are [TS]

  a lot of fun they come with some pencils [TS]

  draw it in we're on this we moved from [TS]

  the Spongebob as he has matured from [TS]

  spongebob to spider-man now so I did [TS]

  spider-man shrinky dinks as a kid it was [TS]

  my big shrinky dink that I was my [TS]

  shrinky dink topic area what do you [TS]

  think it was in your childhood that set [TS]

  you on the path to become a software [TS]

  developer not a computer guy because we [TS]

  talked about that play on this show but [TS]

  they'd set you on the path that said i [TS]

  would i would like to develop software [TS]

  for living and that's my goal and that's [TS]

  what makes me happy almost nothing in my [TS]

  childhood because like i was i was [TS]

  exposed to programming for a very early [TS]

  age like when you when you learn [TS]

  computers quote unquote that's what they [TS]

  called in the 80s you should really [TS]

  learn the amp you learn computers right [TS]

  i took my parents maybe take a typing [TS]

  course because you're gonna have to know [TS]

  how to type so i don't know how old I [TS]

  was maybe eight or nine or ten there I [TS]

  am on the Apple to like supposedly [TS]

  learning how to type with some sort of [TS]

  typing program it didn't take because [TS]

  I'm a bad student and don't pay [TS]

  attention and again I took typing on IBM [TS]

  Selectric electric typewriters in high [TS]

  school also didn't take even though they [TS]

  told me the correct way to type by then [TS]

  it was too late so I do not type the [TS]

  right way but that's what you know [TS]

  learning computers was both that and [TS]

  then the second thing you learned in the [TS]

  learning computers class besides typing [TS]

  was basic mmm and you know 10 print [TS]

  hello 20 go to 10 right you know the [TS]

  whole nine yards and so I've been [TS]

  programming since I could use computer [TS]

  like I'm the vic-20 you could write [TS]

  basic programs and stuff and when I got [TS]

  the mac i had the what is it was a [TS]

  microsoft basic 10 whatever one of the [TS]

  basic whichever basic program came with [TS]

  the little picture on the box it showed [TS]

  showed you how to make a globe out of a [TS]

  bunch of ellipses you know horizontal [TS]

  and vertical ones i'll remember that one [TS]

  yeah it was like you had you had a [TS]

  window drawing window and one window you [TS]

  had to program the other window ya know [TS]

  I wasn't logo I never did the turtle [TS]

  logo the only time I saw laga was on mr. [TS]

  wizard and I looked at in a cell that's [TS]

  interesting but and HyperCard I did [TS]

  hyper hyper contacts with writing and [TS]

  hyper talk but [TS]

  whole time if you had asked me do you [TS]

  want to be a computer programmer [TS]

  currently I would say no God no I hate [TS]

  that like I was only using as a means to [TS]

  an end this you did basic because like [TS]

  that's one of the few things you can do [TS]

  with the vic-20 is you can write your [TS]

  own little basic program so you could [TS]

  read them from magazines and type them [TS]

  in but I had just a some sort of [TS]

  terrible mental barrier like if someone [TS]

  had sat down with me eight years old and [TS]

  explained to me how programming works [TS]

  I'm like oh like you need that that I [TS]

  get it moment and I did not have that I [TS]

  get at moment you know but lots of [TS]

  people have those I get a moment's like [TS]

  with math where you finally understand [TS]

  algebra then you finally understand [TS]

  calculus or whatever you know at a [TS]

  certain point you're just like going [TS]

  through the motions but then when you [TS]

  finally get it you say oh I see I see [TS]

  what's going ahead then you can go off I [TS]

  never got that moment with programming [TS]

  so I would just sit there banging out [TS]

  stuff in you know basic or hyper talk or [TS]

  whatever didn't didn't you know do any C [TS]

  or anything like that when I was a kid [TS]

  even in high school we didn't have any [TS]

  programming classes I don't think we had [TS]

  like a computer class but you just used [TS]

  computers and you didn't really program [TS]

  them so nothing in my childhood made me [TS]

  suspect that I would ever want to be a [TS]

  programming and I didn't even understand [TS]

  program I think I told this story before [TS]

  when uh I was trying to write myself a [TS]

  text adventure because i was with gamer [TS]

  computer gamer from early on i'm like [TS]

  text adventure you know I know enough [TS]

  basic I feel like I could write a text [TS]

  adventure you know never realizing a [TS]

  hard just actually write a text [TS]

  adventure but ah I was trying to write [TS]

  my you know so you find yourself in a [TS]

  field ball blog directions north south [TS]

  east west and then you know get the [TS]

  input and then see what it is that they [TS]

  wrote and tell them if they wrote [TS]

  something was incorrectly to incorrect [TS]

  and then if they wrote something was [TS]

  correct bring into the next room right [TS]

  only I didn't understand what this term [TS]

  in the mac basic forum gosub meant i had [TS]

  no idea what the hell goes up man go go [TS]

  into a submarine what the heck does go [TS]

  sub me I didn't know what a summer team [TS]

  was in nineteen eighty-four like i [TS]

  didn't understand subroutines or [TS]

  functions at all that's what i mean [TS]

  about not getting it and so I tried to [TS]

  write myself a text adventure without [TS]

  using go sub and very quickly you just [TS]

  find yourself twenty seven levels of [TS]

  conditionals and go tues deep and you're [TS]

  like oh I don't want to have to repeat [TS]

  all this stuff about uh you know I Drive [TS]

  jump back to the part where it was about [TS]

  invalid input but then I have to know [TS]

  where to jump back to and it was like I [TS]

  didn't understand how you could write a [TS]

  successful program because I didn't [TS]

  understand what sub routines were and [TS]

  today I mean maybe that maybe that [TS]

  soured being the idea [TS]

  programming when I was ten years old and [TS]

  that was that was just it but I just [TS]

  never came and it was never interested [TS]

  in programming it's only when I went to [TS]

  college and I took my first class and [TS]

  see and they you know they went over the [TS]

  c programming i would talked about [TS]

  pointers but then I was old enough my [TS]

  brain could understand it and I said oh [TS]

  I get what programming is now you just [TS]

  get the whole Turing machine thing of [TS]

  you know just understanding variables [TS]

  and addresses and and and functions and [TS]

  pointers and just like the whole nine [TS]

  yards but still if you'd asked me what [TS]

  are you gonna do when you graduate like [TS]

  I don't know I'm interested in a bunch [TS]

  of things like I had to computer [TS]

  engineering specifically because I [TS]

  didn't want to take computer science [TS]

  because i didn't like programming right [TS]

  I took computer engineering so I could [TS]

  learn about hardware and stuff so I [TS]

  learned about how you know a transistors [TS]

  work and how different you know [TS]

  microprocessors work and all that stuff [TS]

  and I'm very interested in that I was [TS]

  very interested in like the Pentium and [TS]

  the powerpc and hardware stuff and that [TS]

  I think that helped my understanding of [TS]

  software but at a certain point in my [TS]

  undergraduate life I also learn unix I [TS]

  also learned pearl which was like a [TS]

  nicer way to get at the U Nork unix [TS]

  underpinnings because at that point I [TS]

  had been written I'd written tons of C [TS]

  programs using like you know raw sockets [TS]

  calls and see to write my own demon [TS]

  processes and everything and that's a [TS]

  pain in your butt right and then pearls [TS]

  I go I can you know write a demon that [TS]

  listens on sock it's way easier and when [TS]

  pearl then I can see why would ever use [TS]

  this you think it's practically the same [TS]

  pearl is like that capi you've been [TS]

  playing with for two months and making [TS]

  all these programs you know you do it [TS]

  over here and never get a segmentation [TS]

  fault again right so I did Pearl and [TS]

  there are all these tons and tons huge [TS]

  amount of software output an [TS]

  undergraduate where I'm writing little [TS]

  programs to play games with my friends [TS]

  and then writing a whole bunch of [TS]

  servers lifts on ports and then the web [TS]

  came out and I'm writing my own CGI [TS]

  scripts on my own little experimental [TS]

  web servers in the whole nine yards by [TS]

  the time I graduated I realize I'm [TS]

  spending all my free time writing [TS]

  software and so when it came time to say [TS]

  what are you gonna do for your career [TS]

  like at that point I was already [TS]

  employed part-time as a web developer [TS]

  and like it you know it was clear to me [TS]

  despite all my best efforts that what I [TS]

  most like to do was write programs [TS]

  because what did I do with my time I [TS]

  just spent all my time writing programs [TS]

  and so that's what I decided to is my [TS]

  career and I think that was a good [TS]

  choice but nothing in my childhood made [TS]

  me think that this would ever be what I [TS]

  wanted to do simply because I just [TS]

  didn't understand programming was [TS]

  never taught it and never learned it i [TS]

  think it was i would call myself a late [TS]

  bloomer in terms of programming and I [TS]

  try to think of like in some ways I like [TS]

  it in some ways i like it like my [TS]

  childhood was free from the thing that i [TS]

  would eventually do as a profession uh [TS]

  but on the other hand if i had been like [TS]

  most computer nerds and actually finally [TS]

  actually gracht programming when i was [TS]

  12 instead of just not totally getting [TS]

  on those 10 and setting it aside I would [TS]

  have written a lot of programs in my [TS]

  youth that I didn't terrible programs [TS]

  but I would ok so here a couple other [TS]

  questions that stop laughs can we go a [TS]

  little bit more you can ok let me see [TS]

  which one next all right if you could [TS]

  change something about yourself what [TS]

  would what would you change life span [TS]

  that's easy answer some people say they [TS]

  don't want to live forever cuz I think [TS]

  it would be boring I'm not one of those [TS]

  people maybe being immortal would be too [TS]

  much but pretty close to it I'd go I'd [TS]

  go basically until the earth is [TS]

  destroyed if you can set my life span [TS]

  right before I birth becomes [TS]

  uninhabitable I'd be happy with that you [TS]

  wouldn't mind seeing all of your loved [TS]

  ones die I always wonder a shins of [TS]

  loved ones die I would mind it but that [TS]

  that may happen now anyway I mean you [TS]

  never know yeah tomorrow will bring you [TS]

  know but I would be okay with that [TS]

  because I understand that that's just [TS]

  something that happens you know it's [TS]

  like you just deactivate your motion [TS]

  ship but during that time Turner back so [TS]

  you know if you have given near [TS]

  immortality that's that's the price and [TS]

  I would be willing to pay that price [TS]

  because I like being alive and healthy [TS]

  obviously you don't want to be like live [TS]

  and then you know in terrible pain and [TS]

  decrepit right yeah is that nothing else [TS]

  are you were looking for I I'm happy [TS]

  with any answer you give me yeah I don't [TS]

  know usually people ask that question [TS]

  they like I wish I was taller I wish I [TS]

  was more handsome and like most of those [TS]

  things a lot of those things where [TS]

  people asking about something you don't [TS]

  like about yourself that you would [TS]

  change I i was saying you're gonna say [TS]

  you get rid of your RSI or something but [TS]

  i suppose if you would live forever [TS]

  eventually the technology will catch up [TS]

  to that so you cover that lights [TS]

  RSI is a bit like oh that goes to health [TS]

  like Brazil I was going to is you know [TS]

  health because despite the fact that I [TS]

  am generally healthy as i get older i [TS]

  get a greater greater appreciation for [TS]

  how important your health is and I can [TS]

  appreciate being healthy and how just [TS]

  terrible it is it right the stupid [TS]

  saying if you don't have your health but [TS]

  that is that staying will sound stupid [TS]

  to you until you're about 30 something [TS]

  years old right and that suddenly it [TS]

  will not sound stupid okay and then you [TS]

  will realize how don't you go before to [TS]

  dismiss that saying right and so that's [TS]

  what I'm basically asking for because [TS]

  all the other things about changing like [TS]

  your personality or other parts of [TS]

  yourself like that would be changing who [TS]

  you are hmm and that would that's one of [TS]

  those like cautionary tales where if you [TS]

  could be you know ten times more [TS]

  personable and funny would you be the [TS]

  same person anymore would you feel like [TS]

  you're the same person or it's like a [TS]

  Twilight Zone episode but you'd ask for [TS]

  something then later on the end of the [TS]

  episode the person would realize that [TS]

  not who they were before and that would [TS]

  be sad for the people watching but the [TS]

  person who was there wouldn't know it [TS]

  yeah I wouldn't I wouldn't ask for this [TS]

  too it's too late for me now to be any [TS]

  of those anything that I'm not all right [TS]

  um-hmm okay here's one for you I think I [TS]

  know the answer you can meet anyone [TS]

  alive or dead who would it be that's not [TS]

  the same as the when the fans ask if you [TS]

  ask one person a question I've gotcha in [TS]

  colton but if i can made anyone alive or [TS]

  dead meet them and and I i will say has [TS]

  spend a day with him yeah in a way that [TS]

  they would they would it wouldn't be [TS]

  like a day and they'd be like all right [TS]

  you know i got meetings but like a day [TS]

  where you would have quality time and [TS]

  they would reciprocate your interest [TS]

  would they go back to being dead after [TS]

  that word afterwards just like an AI [TS]

  know i mean i'm gonna go with the [TS]

  obvious answer that you think i'm gonna [TS]

  say so i would pick steve jobs i guess [TS]

  yeah and the thing is I it the I at the [TS]

  end of that I would expect to be angry [TS]

  and disappointed but I would have to do [TS]

  it like that's that's the answer if I'd [TS]

  bring them back to life I'd spend a day [TS]

  talking with them most likely yelling at [TS]

  him because like despite all that I read [TS]

  and know about this person he's a [TS]

  fascinating character who I still feel [TS]

  like I don't really really know [TS]

  one of those people where it seems like [TS]

  there was a private side of him that [TS]

  even the people who are close to him [TS]

  didn't you know maybe his wife and his [TS]

  really closest friends were but [TS]

  certainly not just random Joe Mackey oh [TS]

  there's no about so yep that's so epic [TS]

  oh yeah I wanted I would want him to [TS]

  stay a lot of effort because I don't [TS]

  want to yell at him about Apple and then [TS]

  have him go have me convinced him with [TS]

  my you know my constant harang bring him [TS]

  around to my side of thinking and then [TS]

  see that play out in changes to Apple [TS]

  but it was gonna go back to being dead [TS]

  that kind of put the damper on that okay [TS]

  so speaking of being dead and dying if [TS]

  you were to die and you could come back [TS]

  as any person or thing what would it be [TS]

  as any person person or thing you could [TS]

  be a building you'd be a tree Gandhi you [TS]

  actually can't be a tree or a person no [TS]

  yes in this you could I wouldn't want to [TS]

  come back as an inanimate object because [TS]

  that doesn't like any fun ah I come back [TS]

  as a person yeah I don't I don't think [TS]

  there's any specific person is the [TS]

  problem the people that we all know [TS]

  you're expecting you to name a name that [TS]

  the other people what like a I'm [TS]

  wondering if there's like a certain life [TS]

  that you would have liked would you want [TS]

  to be Evel Knievel or something you know [TS]

  have fun so I'm thinking of like some [TS]

  kind of the idea anyone who lives in [TS]

  like a city type culture would want to [TS]

  come back as some like oh you know [TS]

  someone who lives who lives in tune with [TS]

  nature and lives off the land it has [TS]

  never touched by all the bad things [TS]

  about civilization and just leaves a [TS]

  happy contented life yeah you know with [TS]

  nature and a family in a small community [TS]

  I don't know if that still exists on the [TS]

  earth anymore it seems like every person [TS]

  in every society every where somehow [TS]

  touched in a bad way by modern society [TS]

  and so maybe it's better to be in uh you [TS]

  know so I I would probably have to pick [TS]

  I would just come back as someone who [TS]

  didn't have to worry about money because [TS]

  my current concern as a person that I am [TS]

  is worrying about you know security and [TS]

  lost in whatever and for all the [TS]

  downsides of being rich like her without [TS]

  money doesn't make you happy and there's [TS]

  many bad things that come with money and [TS]

  you'd have a terrible childhood and your [TS]

  parents would be all screwed up like we [TS]

  all know the the anti-patterns are being [TS]

  rich we see it in movies you read about [TS]

  it we see [TS]

  life like terrible things can happen to [TS]

  rich people but there are also people [TS]

  who were born rich and die rich and who [TS]

  are perfectly nice well-adjusted happy [TS]

  people so it's hard to say because if [TS]

  you come back to the new person I [TS]

  wouldn't have the same hang-ups that I [TS]

  have now but assuming I had similar [TS]

  hangups like that's you know you're [TS]

  always asking for the life that's [TS]

  different than the one you have now I [TS]

  would I would come back as someone who [TS]

  who doesn't have to worry about the [TS]

  things that I'm most concerned about now [TS]

  so I'd come back as a rich person ok I [TS]

  have why I have one more question uh but [TS]

  I I thought of an extra one then I put [TS]

  it to the chat room and they they seem [TS]

  to be slightly in favor of me asking the [TS]

  second to last question and that is I [TS]

  know that now you're getting really [TS]

  interested in comics thanks to Merlin [TS]

  you starting to really read not really i [TS]

  I'm still only like partially into the [TS]

  few issues a the first issue of the [TS]

  comics that he sent me ok what [TS]

  superpower would you have in why ah this [TS]

  is very telling we were kind of already [TS]

  answered that like is it the Amir Amir [TS]

  immortality countess I mean I goes like [TS]

  I would go with basically Superman's [TS]

  invulnerability like I wouldn't pick his [TS]

  flight it wouldn't take the heat vision [TS]

  I wouldn't pitch to pick the blowing [TS]

  stuff to freeze it and you know I would [TS]

  go with the fact like basically nothing [TS]

  can besides kryptonite uh can't hurt him [TS]

  and presumably that leaves I don't know [TS]

  the canyons us presumably that leaves a [TS]

  very long life like if he can't if he's [TS]

  involved well I guess he still ages but [TS]

  he goes from a teenager to an adult he [TS]

  seems to age and he's just kind of hits [TS]

  you hit like a point you hit like [TS]

  maximum handsomeness and you just stay [TS]

  there what about regeneration like [TS]

  Wolverine has like no then you got to [TS]

  keep getting hurt and then it grows back [TS]

  like Superman is just invulnerable so I [TS]

  pick and vulnerability basically okay [TS]

  that's that's my superb our choice not [TS]

  bad alright here's my last question [TS]

  alright this is because you know we have [TS]

  a lot of young listeners what kind of [TS]

  rising as far as I know what kind of [TS]

  advice would you like to give to young [TS]

  person who's just starting out who's [TS]

  been listening to this show who says I [TS]

  want to be just like John [TS]

  or just advice in general what you might [TS]

  impart to your own kids people love that [TS]

  the people who are grown up maybe could [TS]

  benefit from what kind of advice do you [TS]

  have for listeners uh for kids I would [TS]

  say don't try to be just like any one [TS]

  person because the you know the odds of [TS]

  you being so similar to that person that [TS]

  you would be equally happy with that [TS]

  person's life are very slim right so [TS]

  there may be aspects of a person or [TS]

  their life that you admire like some [TS]

  people might say I want to be just like [TS]

  steve jobs but I know enough about Steve [TS]

  Jobs to know that I would never want to [TS]

  be just like steve jobs because a lot of [TS]

  his life was filled with you know misery [TS]

  and pain of his own doing i just had [TS]

  said that i would like to come back as a [TS]

  rich person but i would assume that i [TS]

  would be able to handle it Britain [TS]

  Steve's jobs niggas is his life was just [TS]

  filled with problems personal problems [TS]

  and you know how even just corporate [TS]

  problems and problems with his job and [TS]

  getting kicked out of the company that [TS]

  he founded and you know the whole nine [TS]

  yards so don't don't you know don't try [TS]

  to be like someone that you admire just [TS]

  to think about the things that you [TS]

  admire about that person and then [TS]

  harness them to do whatever it is you [TS]

  want to do like it's the the end of my [TS]

  hypercritical articled ARS technica i [TS]

  have a little parenthetical thing about [TS]

  it yeah Steve Jobs always wanting to [TS]

  make things just so & poor's entire self [TS]

  into them and make the greatest thing [TS]

  ever and I said you know you can do that [TS]

  in your everyday life like that's the [TS]

  thing you may admire about Steve Jobs [TS]

  like boy he really cared about making [TS]

  the imac really awesome or the iPhone or [TS]

  whatever anyporn himself into oh you can [TS]

  do that with anything so you can say [TS]

  that i am the Steve Jobs of this [TS]

  sandwich I'm going to make I am the [TS]

  person solely in charge of the sandwich [TS]

  and it's going to be insanely great [TS]

  right just for making the sandwich for [TS]

  yourself right you know I writ small and [TS]

  then larger is if you are totally into [TS]

  making horse paintings make the most [TS]

  insanely great horse paintings that you [TS]

  could possibly ever mentioned it's not [TS]

  you being like steve jobs because he [TS]

  wasn't into horse painting at all and [TS]

  maybe the things you need to do awesome [TS]

  hort paint horse paintings are totally [TS]

  different than ah the things you need to [TS]

  run a successful tech company but you [TS]

  know pick the things that you at you [TS]

  aspects of the people that you admire [TS]

  and apply them to whether it is that you [TS]

  actually want to do so whatever it is [TS]

  that you admire about me or the podcast [TS]

  or whatever decide how any of those [TS]

  things can be applied to your life to [TS]

  make what you want to do better don't [TS]

  try to do the same things that I did I [TS]

  do the things that you want to do I [TS]

  don't think it I would say do know those [TS]

  people should not model their their [TS]

  lives after me cuz my life is pretty I I [TS]

  think it's more aspirational for people [TS]

  to mother lives after you or Marco or [TS]

  someone like that where that mean it's [TS]

  very least that's more know like more [TS]

  Hollywood more like people aspire to do [TS]

  the amazing thing they don't feel like [TS]

  they can do like go off on their own not [TS]

  have a boss do their own thing uh I mean [TS]

  I I admire that as well I just know I'm [TS]

  just true to myself and understand like [TS]

  that I would not be happy doing that [TS]

  despite how how attractive it is in the [TS]

  abstract so I guess it's the other [TS]

  lesson is separate what you find [TS]

  admirable from what you would actually [TS]

  enjoy doing because you may you may find [TS]

  the destination to be awesome like so I [TS]

  want to be like Marco and like beemo and [TS]

  Boston have a hit iOS product but maybe [TS]

  you don't like what you have to do to [TS]

  get to that point right you know talk to [TS]

  eight thousand other iOS developers and [TS]

  see how they're doing it and just talk [TS]

  to Marco about like what he did to get [TS]

  there and what what the work entails on [TS]

  a day to day basis and maybe that's not [TS]

  what you like maybe you just like the [TS]

  destination and not the journey I don't [TS]

  know I'm probably babbling at this point [TS]

  so I don't know I don't have any I don't [TS]

  have any good solid advice for young [TS]

  listeners listen to me except for to not [TS]

  try to emulate any other specific person [TS]

  and just you know think about analyze [TS]

  the things you admire about them and [TS]

  find the ones that are applicable to [TS]

  your life and then go with that it's a [TS]

  good answer that's all all my questions [TS]

  man we did a damn 100 episodes hundred [TS]

  episodes didn't think we'd make it but [TS]

  we did [TS]

  oh I knew we'd make that's it that's it [TS]

  we're done we are done so you can uh you [TS]

  can follow John on Twitter siracusa s [TS]

  IRA see you SI nosy and i can follow me [TS]

  on twitter i'm dan benjamin you can [TS]

  follow the hypercritical account on [TS]

  Twitter and you have a website you have [TS]

  a blog that you are writing that what's [TS]

  the URL for that that's hypercritical [TS]

  dot co-vary because i couldn't get it [TS]

  who cares i ce o--'s betterment someday [TS]

  I may have a dot-com Patil just redirect [TS]

  so don't worry about less typing and you [TS]

  can you can still follow up if you want [TS]

  with us by going to the contact form [TS]

  five by five let t be such contacts line [TS]

  and on that page you can pick [TS]

  hypercritical i won't take that all [TS]

  that'll stick around say what they can [TS]

  still you can still email john he'll [TS]

  have no forum like this to respond but [TS]

  who knows he you may reply but you still [TS]

  you're gonna read every email right I [TS]

  will I always read every email I'm a [TS]

  reply by email I'm a this not having a [TS]

  podcast to complain about things may [TS]

  motivate me to blog or maybe it won't I [TS]

  don't know we'll see but yeah keep [TS]

  following the hypocritical account and [TS]

  if I do anything else you'll see it and [TS]

  of course i'll be on the incomparable [TS]

  and guesting another various podcast at [TS]

  various time so you know you'll find me [TS]

  i'll be out there all right Jen well [TS]

  thanks for awesome 100 episodes thank [TS]

  you Dan take care I [TS]

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