Hypercritical

00:00:00 ◼   ► the interest is intense then it's [TS]

00:00:01 ◼   ► intense this is hypercritical a weekly [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► talk show ruminating on exactly what is [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► wrong in the world of Apple and related [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► about by my friend in yours John [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► Friday December 14th 2012 this is [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► episode number 98 of a hundred feels [TS]

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00:01:18 ◼   ► we would like to thank you for providing [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► bandwidth for this month of December [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► igloo is your digital workplace that [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► means you can give updates you can have [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► discussions and share files with your [TS]

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00:01:32 ◼   ► com / 5 by 5 as you have pointed out to [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► me through a series of obscure emails my [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► wii u is on its way to me yes I showed I [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► show that it's out for delivery right [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► now yeah should be delivered today but [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► it has not yet arrived so obviously [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► we're not talking about the wii u today [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► cuz even if it did arrive today i [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► wouldn't have time to talk about it [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► right and that probably means the next [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► week show we're gonna talk about that [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► with you right probably ah now the thing [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► is and i did mention having some portion [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► of some show where possibly you would [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► have to ask me questions does that mean [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► that it's you know if next week is the [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► wii u and it takes the whole show and [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► and this week if [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► not doing it this week and we're not [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► doing in the last show which we're not [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► what does that leave so maybe I'll try [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► to like squeeze in like a couple [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► questions at the end of this one and [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► like a couple questions at the end of [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► the next one if the weird doesn't go [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► follow episode sure and these are my [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► questions these are not listener [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► questions these are my questions for you [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► that's for harking back to the old days [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► when you were my guest on the pipeline [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► and I interviewed you then that's right [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► do you remember that I do vaguely [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► vaguely pig there was episode number 23 [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► entitled Jon siracusa you can add that [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► the Charles I'm not a right now i right [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► dan benjamin talks with John sir kia's [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► about writing development technology in [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► the changing audience for gaming the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► future content creation for the web we [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► had none of those topics ring a bell but [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► I can imagine what I said there were two [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► links an interview with John Syracuse in [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► the setup and fat bits John siracusa [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► staff news staff blog yeah ours got rid [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► of the staff blog more or less and [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► certainly got rid of the branding for [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► all the URL still work or they redirect [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► or whatever but and yeah they're set up [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► interview was from July first 2009 your [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► main machine is a 2 x 2.8 gigahertz mac [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► pro can you guess what it is now same [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► thing same damn with eight gigs of ram [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► dual optical drives an nvidia geforce [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► 8800 GT video card and 3.5 terabytes of [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► disk space spread over four internal [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► drives yeah well the specs have gone up [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► i got my ram more hard to suez via same [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► machine save gigs yeah for you almost [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► four years got 34 years ago all right ah [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► some follow-up before this is gonna be a [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► grab bag show so I've got follow-up and [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► then I've got a bunch of little many [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► things that could have been follow-up [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► except they're not but they're similar [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► sized alright so the first bit of fault [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► is from David Meyers uh letting us never [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► let the oh so important debate about [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► taping in and taping out died the [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► continues to live through David ah way [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► back when I mentioned taping up versus [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► taping and I said taping you know what [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► taping out where does that term come [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► from I always imagined it came for [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► something having to do with [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► actual tape laying down traces four [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► circuits and stuff back in the olden [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► days and then some people rode in said [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► actually it's about the magnetic tape [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that you send to the fab that has the [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► information on it and it's in this old [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► creaky format or whatever well david [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► says that he suggested this theory to a [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► colleague who's been designing [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► electronics since the 70s and he says [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► after he stopped laughing he assured me [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► that your original theory was definitely [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► correct that is my original theory about [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► laying down tape is back in the day [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► before computers are widely available [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► all artwork for printed circuit boards [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► were created manually and the process [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► was called taping out because reels of [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► tape were used to create the tracks on [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► the artwork the artwork for the chips [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► were originally created the same way [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► many times larger than the actual chip [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► they were then photographically reduced [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► to create the final artwork for the chip [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► the entire process was optical with no [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► electronic data being generated so no [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► name for magnetic tapes Isis more [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► Stephanie's at the end it may well be [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► that the etymology of the phrase has [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► been lost as different generations have [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► changed its definition or repurposed the [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► phrase to match the technology changes [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► to the process ah so I'm glad my old [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► man's imagination about laying out [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► traces tape and then uh optically [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► shrinking them was not entirely off base [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► thank you David the next one is from Ben [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► Gomer it's in reference to a topic we [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► discussed on the Q&A show last time [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► somebody asked I figured what the [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► question it was like what changes would [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► you make to OS 10 or something like that [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► like if you were in charge what what [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► change did you make for us and one of [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the things I talked about was bringing [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► yet more of the features that currently [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► only exist in you know mainframes and [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► other big kind of computers our [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► resiliency to failure and the ability to [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► upgrade and replace things without any [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► down time which would surely it's not [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► just a hardware feature would surely [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► need some sort of operating system [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► support ah so this paper is right up [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► that alley uh it is a paper it's in Jeff [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► fosters home directory so I don't know [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► he's the last author listed on the paper [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► do we have any people in the chat room [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► you know if the last author is the [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► important one papers or is it the first [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► author see how would think the first [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► right yeah but something like Tom a [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► building you wanna be you and be listed [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► first yeah wait for the chat room could [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► tell me there's surely some academics [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► lurking in there but anyway the paper [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► was in his home directories probably in [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► the home directory of all [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► authors but this is the link that uh [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► then uh then gave me oh it AF Waller [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► says the lath author last author runs [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► the lab a last our foster chairman yeah [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► I met I met AF Waller when I was out in [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► Atlanta and we had we had did you know [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► hung out and had some drinks and I don't [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► know if I don't know if I would trust [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► this he says the first author writes the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► paper or leads the group anyway the full [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► list of authors is Christopher M Hayden [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Edward k smith Mikhail dinchu Michael [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► Hicks and Jeffrey S Foster and these [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► guys I believe all Jeffrey foster anyway [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► is at the University of Maryland College [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► Park anyway that title the paper is [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► kitsune I'm assuming a pronouncing a [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► ride ki TSU any that looks right could [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► soon a colon efficient general-purpose [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► dynamic software updating for C and it [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► was presented at the oopsla conference [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► which is a great name ooops la [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► object-oriented programming systems [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► language and applications which is an [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► annual conference put on by the ACM ACM [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► is association for computing machinery [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► and the here's the the abstract for well [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► more or less the abstract paper dynamic [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► software updating abbreviated as DSU [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► systems allow programs to be updated [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► while running thereby permitting [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► developers to add features and fix bugs [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► without downtime so basically you know [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► say you want to upgrade some application [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► you have currently it's like will take [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► your old version move to the trash and [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► then give you a new version usually will [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► make you quit the app to it technically [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► on Mac OS 10 you can throw the app in [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► the trash and actually fully delete it [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► usually if you know if you know how to [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► do so and put a new version in place but [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► you're still running the old version and [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► possibly the old version will be very [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► cranky when it goes to try to read a [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► file from its bundle since you've [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► deleted it and all sorts of bad things [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► can happen so in general when you [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► upgrade an application I'm Mac OS 10 or [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► any you know regular PC operating system [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► you have to get rid of it ah and then [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► quit it and then get the new one [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► installed then relaunch that well this [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► lets you take a running program and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► change it sort of in memory without [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► about quitting the program or anything [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► like that and this page this paper [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► introduces kitsune a new DSU system for [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► see whose design has three notable [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► features so there are many such systems [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► that do this type of thing where you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► know altering a running program to be [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► different without having to X [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► the program maintaining up done this [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► particular one has these three [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► attributes said versus it's updating [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► mechanism updates the whole program not [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► individual functions this mechanism is [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► more flexible than most prior approaches [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► and places no restrictions on data [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► representations allowed or our compiler [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► optimizations it makes the important [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► aspects of updating explicit in the [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► program text so you have like alter the [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► program to let it know like here are the [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► important parts right and the programmer [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► can write simple specifications to [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► direct kitsune to generate code that [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► traverses and transforms old version [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► state used by new code so if you're [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► everything has some sort of internal in [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► memory state that doesn't work with the [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► new version of the program you can write [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► specifications that say okay you're [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► going to take this running program with [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► this internal memory state and replace [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► it with this new program with this [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► functionality and you have to sort of [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► translate the state to a state that [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► works with the new version of the [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► program and they used it as part of [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► paper to update five popular open source [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► single and multi started programs and [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► found that few program changes are [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► required to use kitsune and it occurs [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► essentially no performance overhead this [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► is all weird and academic and obscure [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► but the upshot is that you can imagine [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► that this technology came to Mac os10 [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► it'll be possible to upgrade programs [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► and the operating system would not not [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► only about refining a reboot but without [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► even requiring you to quit the [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► application to get the new version we're [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► still in the age now or half the things [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► that I want to upgrade forced me to quit [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► all my browsers which makes me upset [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► mm-hmm it makes me less upset now that [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► have an SSD at work because man I never [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► realized how much of quitting a browser [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► with a million open windows and [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► relaunching it had to do with disk i/o [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► like I guess it's just reading things [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► from the disk cache and stuff like that [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► on as almost as if I wish it would just [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► pull from the network instead of reading [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► a dish cast because relaunching like [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► chrome with a million open windows [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► happens so much faster than you have an [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► SSD is that what you're browsing with [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► chrome I've Safari my primary browser [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► and chrome is my secondary Boozman it [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► used to be Safari primary firefox [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► secondary but chromis replaced by but [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► I'm running both all day for different [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► purposes and yeah but they both had tons [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► of open windows and I got a quote on my [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► browser is you're always worried you're [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► gonna lose state or and some of them [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► chrome was really good about maintaining [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► state like your history and everything [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► but like we did I have some form in some [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► windows and I can remember then it just [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► takes forever to quit [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► browser and we launched it but with an S [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► estate takes last time but anyway I hate [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► installing some program and it's like oh [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► by the way we're gonna make you quit [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► your browser's like come on like you're [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► not doing anything browser related what [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► kind of our we're messing with internet [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► plugins are you know isn't it I plugin [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► like flash I didn't like what flash [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► would make me quit the browser's you [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► know this is several levels above that [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► no restart don't need to quit the apps [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► will patch them in process who knows if [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► it's feasible or if it's a good idea but [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► like things like this happen in Maine [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► brings all the time and the things I was [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► thinking about uh it's hard to do [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► describe this is kind of like blue sky [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► you know our pie in the sky thinks I oh [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► sure we like everything to be magical [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► and wonderful but the technology exists [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► to do a lot of these things to you know [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► to be resilient against fate failures to [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► be able to roll your system back in time [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► selectively to various states you know [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► you can imagine if you did like an iOS [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► upgrade and a major things slower if it [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► was really easy to just slip back to the [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► old one without having to like you know [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► this would require uh yeah a filesystem [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► a file system they can do this type of [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► thing like btrfs or butter FS do we [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► talked about in the past of butter yes [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► and many other technologies to sort of [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► make make your system be able to be [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► updated on that like all the things that [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► humans don't like that computers need [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► like it's that's the human serving the [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► computer like all right well I would [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► don't like to I don't want to restart my [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► entire computer and quit all my programs [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► even if they like restore state there [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► try to restore state it's a pain in my [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► butt but the computer needs me to do it [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► you know and I don't want to quit this [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► application that I'm in the middle of [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► working but i do want to upgrade this [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► other one and the computer makes me do [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► it all those things that the computer [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► makes you do that you wouldn't otherwise [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► do those can all go away and should all [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► go away eventually so i put a link to [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► the actual paper to PDF in the show [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► notes and you can take a look at it if [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► you want next bit of follow-up is about [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► the touchy-feely geek culture misogyny [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► thing we talked about two shows ago one [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► of your most epic and most epically [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► received show then i got a couple extra [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► pieces of hate mail this week did you [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► really I hate this strike hate mail [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► stragglers are still there but yes [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► you're right overwhelmingly positive [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► feedback um this came from several [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► people [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► appointed to a YouTube video by someone [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► named Jay smooth this actual name is [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► John Randolph oh he's apparently a [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► jaysmith his DJ name he is the host of a [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► radio program in New York WBAI is [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► Underground Railroad he also does video [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► blogging on hip hop music calm and ill [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► doctrine which is YouTube video blog and [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► this is an older video and the title of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► it is how to tell people they sound [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► racist and it draws at the links in the [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► show notes and it draws the same [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► distinction as we discussed last time [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► between what he calls the what they did [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► conversation and what they are [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► conversation and he gives this issue a [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► slightly more adversarial bent than I [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► did on the show it pointing out that [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► even though it feels good to slam [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► somebody with what they are attack [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► saying oh you are racist it feels good [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► to attack and I feels like the strongest [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► attack against someone who's doing [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► something like that yeah it's actually a [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► lot easier for the target of the attack [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► to deflect this kind of thing because [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► like I said you can't know what's in my [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► heart you know this is to talk about [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► like motivations and and thoughts and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► feelings and it's much easier for them [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► to defend against you calling it what [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► you know doing the what they are thing [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► uh and it's true you can't know what's [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► in their heart like that's you know that [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► that conversation is that they do have [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► an upper hand there so it's a much [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► better idea to focus on what what they [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► did conversation which is something [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► concrete and even though it feels like [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► it's the wimpy air attack he's saying [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► don't let them off the hook by jumping [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► into the what they are conversation [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► because that's just so easy to deflect [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► and turn into something different if you [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► if you just focus you know and don't let [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► to move the goalposts you know you just [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► focus on the what they did conversation [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► were just concrete you can actually [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► discuss it's actually a stronger attack [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► so this is different than I was saying [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► you know don't go to the what they are [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► because that that feels like it's you [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► know back in them into a corner uh my [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► wife is here waving a wii u in my face [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► I've excellent she can she unpacking [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► this unpacking for me what if I wanted [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► unpack it all the popcorn that's in that [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► all right you're glad that I unpacked it [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► cuz I have a degree all right well so [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► I've got the wii u here but yes I can't [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► actually play it I'll just look at it [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► longingly on the desk during the blast [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► but so it is it is a black [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► not wii u deluxe deluxe digital [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► promotion as a sticker on an exclusive [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► offer yes that's you it's very nice I'm [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► gonna do want us would you like to stop [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the show here and then you can go and [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► unbox it plain I can resume and we could [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► record sunday afternoon which is I would [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► not like to do alright I've got a show [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► to do here alright so where was I [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► alright so the J smooth video um so yeah [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► I thought that was interesting that the [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► same the same argument about not too [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► caught to you know to concentrate more [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► on the action rather than trying to [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► label the person with a totally [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► different angle on it also beneficial [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► saying like you know this is actually if [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► you're interested in attacking someone [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► for something like that don't it's to [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► your interest to stay away from the what [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► they are conversation because that one [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► is much harder to win its the you're on [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► shake your ground and there's a longer [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► version of this video that other people [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► sent me as well at TEDx Hampshire [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► College same guy j smooth the title of [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► this talk is uh how i learned to stop [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► worrying and love discussing race the [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the other that you tube one is very [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► short it's like 60 seconds long or two [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► minutes long this one is longer kind of [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► TED talk length and in this one he [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► mentions that he gets feedback of two [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► main kinds about that video about how do [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► people tell people they race this has [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► been a very popular video and people [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► have been linking it around for a long [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► time the first kind of feedback he gets [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► is like positive support like you know [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► great job really like your video blah [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► blah ah and the second kind of feedback [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► he gets is reports from people who tried [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► the technique and it didn't really help [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► them so you know like I watched your [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► video and the next time something like [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► that happened to me instead of me you [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► know trying to have the what they are [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► conversation I tried to concentrate on [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► what they did and you know what it [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► didn't really help and I like this [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► because you know this appeals to my [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► sensibilities of this guy's famous for [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► this YouTube video and he goes and give [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► a longer version of the talk and the [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► first thing he does is describe what's [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► wrong with this talking no it doesn't [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► work in your life uh you should watch it [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► though because uh what he [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► as in the longer talk is he is he flips [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► it around he talks about how to receive [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► this kind of feedback about yourself [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► yeah and and and make a positive change [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► based on it had it you know how to be on [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► the receiving end of it and how to avoid [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► getting defensive explaining sort of [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► rather than explain why this doesn't [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► work is explained well here's how you [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► can imagine why it doesn't work because [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► imagine if it happened to you wouldn't [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► your reaction be to get defensive and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► the point he makes about this is that [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► when you believe that you have to be [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► perfect in order to be good it makes you [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► strongly averse to accepting any kind of [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► criticism it kind of it turns the what [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► you did criticism immediately into a [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► what you are calmed in nations you [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► because as soon as you say oh you did [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► this thing that's bad if your definition [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► your head is if you ever do anything [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► that's racist then you are a racist then [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► the what you did versus what your [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► conversation is not really helping [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► because as soon as cell someone tells [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► you you did that thing like all but my [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► personal definition is that if you ever [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► do anything racist you me to the r-1 [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► therefore you know uh so I thought that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► was clever interesting and this J smooth [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► guy looks really smart and awesome and I [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► like him uh I also get some up some [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► other feedback from people was that oh [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► is that the the what you did versus what [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you are someone some brought up it like [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► the idea of a murderer like how you know [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► it's contracting what you did versus [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► what you are is letting them off easy I [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► think j smooth how do you encounter that [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► but my counter would be that like it [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► really depends on what is your talk like [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► you can't do a blanket I think people [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► were looking for a blanket rule like [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► what you did versus what you are is a [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► universal rule for life well there's no [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► rules like that very few rules like that [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► except maybe gravity uh and and if you [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► have to do on a case-by-case basis so [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► what it comes down to is do you think [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► the action is redeemable ah you you [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► shouldn't you know to disagree you're [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► worried about this up doing something [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► versus being something debate you know [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► it really depends on do you think anyone [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► who does this there's no redemption [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► there's no coming back from it once you [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► do this you are this thing and there's [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► no point in trying to change your future [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► behavior because this label should [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► rightfully apply to you always and a [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► good example is when you call someone a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► murderer it's a many people may be of [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► the opinion that once you can murder [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► somebody you are [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► and it's not like oh man don't don't put [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► labels on man don't call don't call him [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► a murderer because that's gonna back him [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► into a corner you rally just talk about [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► what he did like that murdering you did [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► was bad let's talk about that versus [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► calling him a murderer which but you [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► know and it could be used aside that [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► action there's no coming back from that [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► and then label is yours forever and [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► tough luck right uh I would say that [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► saying something sexist or racist is not [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► is not the same thing as being a [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► murderer and you can't apply this [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► blanket rule to in either case right so [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► be be careful about taking you know [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► guidelines or advice from anybody and [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► saying it this kind of that's one of the [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► speaking of geek culture suddenly a geek [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► thing like you you're some piece of [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► advice or guideline you're like this [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► must be a general principle that applies [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► in all conditions otherwise it's [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► completely invalid that's not it's not [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► how the world works like everything is [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► context dependent in its stall fuzzy and [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► gray and there aren't many you no hard [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► and fast rules uh so yeah check out that [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► video if you haven't seen it before you [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► don't know Jay smooth is cuz he he seems [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► cool alright uh there's a comment on a [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► Simcoe com oh this is my this is like my [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► version of RSS is twitter where I find [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► links and I think Horace link to this [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► himself he frequently does this is a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► great thing that Horace does I think he [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► doesn't just link to his own articles [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► like hey I wrote something like semco he [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► does that to like here you know new post [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► on my blog take a look at it he links to [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► sometimes days later really good [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► comments but you know specifically [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► anchor links to those comments on his [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► own blog post correct and I think that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► is awesome because it's kind of like the [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► blog version of follow up right where [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► his audience has a lot of good smart [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► things to say and he not only allows [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► them to post their and participates in [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► the discussion but he highlights them by [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► saying check this out guys so this one [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► he linked to by William Cox is attached [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► to the article the New Age of capital [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► intensity she talks about capital [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► expenditures and Apple as usual and also [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► some of the things I William cock says [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► Horace I just thought you should know [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► that Apple is indeed popping up with all [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► sorts of plans to move things in-house [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► AMD and Qualcomm both have graphics [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► divisions in Orlando your old down no [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► yeah and now Apple has its chip [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► specialists from intrinsic code [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► designers with Samsung of the a4 chip in [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► Orlando setting up shop for a new plant [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► they're recruiting heavily from their [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► competitors senior staff I would look [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► for apple to abandon power VRS the GPO [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► supplier in a couple of years and move [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► everything in-house so here's a case [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► where retarded before I like you know if [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► apple buys a company it doesn't make a [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► difference if they want all the people [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► to work in cupertino well here's Apple [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► setting up you know Apple employees in a [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► shop in Orlando which just so happens to [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► be next to AMD in qualcomm their [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► graphics divisions right and actively [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► you know trying to get employees who [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► either currently or used to work for AMD [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► and Qualcomm to say you guys don't have [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► to move you can keep your house where [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► you are in fact we set up a shop right [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► here because it if you're if Apple wants [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► to like you know this is basically [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► saying I'd example apples makes its own [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► asics CPU but it's still using GPU made [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► by somebody else what if they want to [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► make their own GPU but you gotta you [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► know hire some good mobile GPU designers [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and the best way to do that is to set up [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► some you know an office specifically for [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► this purses right next to two other [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► offices that have to do with making [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► mobile GPUs and of course they bought [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► intrinsically a while back which is also [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► a mobile GPU related chip-making company [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► so this isn't this is pretty strong [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► evidence if all this is true from this [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► common that Apple really has its eyes on [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► you know not relying on other people for [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► hardware we're gonna make our own CPU [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► designs a6 we're gonna make her own GPU [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► ah maybe they're not gonna buy their own [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► fabs but like reading this and thinking [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► about this and then seeing how serious [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► they are because like this no my reason [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► you know as you can surely test that's [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► the only reason you set up an office in [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► Orlando that's right but there's no [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► there's no reason to be there trust me [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► unless you're an imagined here or [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► something then even then even then you [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► want to be in California know the real [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► I'm gonna get it wrong and kill my cred [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► here but the real disney world that's [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► right yeah real disney world isn't far [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► the real disney world is in florida i [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► worked there did you know that yes i did [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► not listen to all your show okay i [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► worked in there and that don't be [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► confused people will call the magic [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► kingdom disney world it is not disney [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► world is the entire thing that's [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► inclusive of the magic kingdom it [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► includes the epcot center it includes [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► all the resorts it includes what we used [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► to call MGM Studios now some [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► their thing all of that that is Disney [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► World Magic Kingdom is the place with [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► the castle right but it's not Disneyland [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► on California is that shadow of the real [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► thing the Disneyland I think you can fit [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► 50 Disneyland's in the parking lot for [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► the Magic Kingdom Djem antic kingdom so [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► that's why you're saying if you're gonna [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► be an Imagineer you want to be an [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► Orlando you don't want to being they do [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► have a big data center out there all [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► right but it's not that's not a draw for [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► people yeah so somewhat reading this [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► comment and assuming is true my thought [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► was is there anything Apple thinks it [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► can't do hardware-wise like I said you [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► know we have our own little box that we [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► put apple in like you know Apple makes [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► computers and they buy their you know [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► CPUs from Intel or IBM or motorola or [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► whatever and that box is not the same [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► box that Apple puts itself in because [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► Apple clearly says you know what we can [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► make your own CPUs a hire a bunch of [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► people there's no reason we can't do [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► this we go we'll get an armed license we [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► won't we won't just take someone else's [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► cores and put them together we're gonna [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► make her own CPU called ba6 right so [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► that was a box that other people had [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► apple in it but they you know said no we [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► don't we don't recognize that boundary [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► and now I'm thinking like is there [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► anything anything related to hardware at [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► all that Apple thinks well we can you [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► know make your own cases and maybe make [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► Iran CPUs but we can't do X is there [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► anything like that I think they can't do [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► can it do they think they can make their [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► own hard drives their own SSDs their own [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► screens there you know sure it's I think [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► everything is up for grabs now and it's [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► tempting to think of things with the pc [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► mindset especially people of our age of [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► like certain things you do as the maker [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► of personal computers and stuff and [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► certain things you know your part [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► suppliers do an apple seems willing when [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► it comes to hardware to say ah the only [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► reason we would ever let a part supply [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► or do this is if the margins are really [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► low and it's not strategically important [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► for us to do it right the reason would [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► never be oh we don't know how to do that [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► oh we can't do though you know we can't [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► make desktop CPUs that's not you know [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► we're not in tell if Apple decides it is [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► strategically important for them to do [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► that they're not going to let that you [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► know old world definition of what Apple [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► does stop them and lay [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► other things stop them like economics [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► and feasibility and all sorts of other [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► things but clearly in this case their [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► eyes seemed set on making not only the [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► CPU part but also the GPU part and [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► that's very interesting um now but I was [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► careful to add hardware wise as a [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► qualifier to that statement is there [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► anything Apple thinks it can't do [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► because clearly there's plenty that [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► Apple can't do cloud service wise which [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► is sad a little sad smiley face my notes [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► likes that uh but maybe maybe this [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► Hardware machismo can be funneled into [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► apple finally taking the reins on its [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► service operations and you know building [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► its own server hardware since of course [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► it doesn't it doesn't make exurbs [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► anymore never really use them that much [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► and it's a server side stuff anyway so [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► maybe if Apple becomes like you know we [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► can do anything we can we'll make our [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► own Ram will make her own CPUs we make [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► our own but you know nothing we can't do [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► with hardware hopefully then was like [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► you know what we keep buying these uh [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► you know rackmount servers from Dell or [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► whoever the heck they're buying them [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► from these days why don't we make our [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► own ones of those and maybe parlay that [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► into saying we can make our own server [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► side infrastructure you know we can have [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► the our own equivalent of bc2 and gfs [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► and and a big table spanner and [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► MapReduce and all that stuff like why [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► can't we do that too uh basically this [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► this is my this gets back another [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► question last show you know what would [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► you do if you were in charge of Apple my [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► small one was new file system that big [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► one was get their server side stuffing [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► gear ah but the idea is giving apple [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► level attention to products that will [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► never be in the hands of users because [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► apples like all the whole company's [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► focus on making it so that when you go [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► into the store and you buy this you know [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► iPad Mini or whatever it's just an [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► amazing beautiful thing that's what they [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► care about you get that thing in your [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► hand how does it work how does it feel [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► has everything you know and then it [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► seems like everything else that's going [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► on back an apple like that their bug [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► tracking tool which the people who do [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► see to tend not to like and they're you [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► know how everything to internally and [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► what do they use for the data center and [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► it's like well then that doesn't matter [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► you don't see that when you go into an [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► apple store right but the turner has to [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► be no you have to also give that amazing [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► Apple attention to detail and level of [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► commitment to [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► awesome things to the things that will [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► never be touched by a customer and with [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it physically touched because even [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► though customers will never be in your [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► data center and will never see all your [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► cool infrastructure and stuff that stuff [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► does affect the end-users increasingly [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► affects the end-user so even though they [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► don't steal that stuff when I cloud is [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► flaky and doesn't work right that [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► totally affects the other users and [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► that's that's the the philosophical [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► turnaround that Apple needs to get not [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► just like hey put a DQ in charge because [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► he makes a trains run on time and we'll [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► make iCloud kind of sort of do what it's [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► supposed to do it has to be an area of [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► excellence like it is with Google like [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► Google stakes the reputation on their [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► operational excellence they do amazing [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► things in the data center with amazing [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► technology like they concentrate even [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► though Google's customers don't touch [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► their server center Google's kind of [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► customers have no idea but all this [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► underlying technology but they know when [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► something doesn't work or it's flaky uh [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► so that that's the turnaround it needs [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► to happen there and I hope Apple's [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► amazing balls when it comes to what they [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► think they can do in Hardware some of [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that transfer is over like maybe it [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► sneaks in the back door like just the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► harbor guys going we're so awesome make [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► a hardware now why don't we just make [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► our own servers would be way cheaper I [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► can just sneak in that way making your [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► own service to run other people's stuff [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► you know running Windows Azure whatever [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► stuff on things that they make or [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► running oracle on their own servers and [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► maybe Oracle wouldn't ever give them [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► support if they tried to run another [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► hardware but you know I'm hoping this [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► will steamroll into them getting [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► religion about the server side but I [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► know what the odds of that are and this [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► is a follow-up QA almost done with the [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► follow up here okay it's a question that [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► was asked that didn't make it in the Q&A [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► show but it got sent in regular feedback [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► in it's all you have chosen seed that [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► could I was supposed to pick those [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► questions it was sent way after the show [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► was already recorded okay so you show [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► your chosen to receive a question and an [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► answer it despite the fact that you had [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► asked me to okay no that's cool it it'll [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► be fine you'll be okay all right ah me [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► and I asked answer questions in Fall [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► Ball time sometimes I just answer them [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► by email but I figured this one was of [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► enough general interest maybe I'm wrong [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► this is from brent Muir he says in hyper [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► covel 97 you mentioned that York with [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► work with oracle PL sequel have you been [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► able to find a decent Mac Oracle query [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► tool or he's been trying to find one for [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► a while but can't find long [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► and clunkier bloated blah blah I asked [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► me if I use a GUI sequel query tool and [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► if so which one uh-huh so what he's [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► asking about is Muir Island is that [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► where he's from Mui are I don't know [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► them you're our Island maybe that's a [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► mutant research complex so I've heard oh [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► really I mean that's how do I believe [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► you all right so this is asking about [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► when you have a database you need some [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► way to be able to type sequel queries to [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► it and say here run this query and show [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► me what the results are and there are [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► lots of different tools to do that he's [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► asking about a GUI tool we're gonna have [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► some little window where you type your [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► single query then you press a little [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► button and then you see the results in [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► some sort of like gooey table view or [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► something like that and I think the main [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► reason he's asking about this is because [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► Oracle comes with and has come with many [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► years a tool called sequel + SQL p lus [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► spelled out that way that is a command [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► line tool you run sequel + and you get a [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► little prompt than you type to query and [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► then return it runs your query and shows [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► you the results anybody who's ever used [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► a my sequel postgres or any you know [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► open source database is familiar with [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► this type of tool because they all come [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► with the tool that you it's usually [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► named after the database you type the my [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► sequel command and you've got you can [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► get a prompt and then type sequel [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► queries and sure the postgres one is [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► called psql without the G which I find [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► frustrating uh and we're used to that [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► type of thing now if you haven't used [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► Oracle what you may not understand about [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► SQL pluses a that it's really really [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► really old and be that it's like [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► seemingly never been updated to be [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► better and what do I mean by better well [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► this is a command line tool that has no [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► red line support nerds know what that [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► means but what it boils down to people [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► who don't know is that red line is the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► library lets you do stuff like hit the [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► up arrow to get your previous command [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► history use the arrow keys command a to [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► go to the beginning committee our [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► commander petroleo beginning at R okay [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► to kill lines like line editing history [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► in lining then we take for granted like [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► who's going to make an interactive [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► command-line tool that does not have any [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► support for command history that seems [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► crazy and yet in in 2012 if you get the [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► latest version of oracle i believe we [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► have close to the latest one at work and [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► we're [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► on the SQL plus thing that comes with it [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► and I can try to do command history at [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the up arrow you'll see like uh carrot [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► left square bracket whatever the command [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► for a power like it doesn't work it [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► doesn't it doesn't have you know line [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► editing and this the defaults are crazy [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► like the faults made for like a a [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► mainframe terminal from years ago I I [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► don't know exactly why sequel plus is so [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► terrible i'm sure people will get me [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► feedback about the historical [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► terribleness of sequel plus and why they [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► can never ever change it because people [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► have sequel plus scripts that rely on [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► its terribleness everything about it's [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► terrible command-line options how you [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► connect the kinect strings that the way [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► results are displayed it is perhaps the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► worst widely used command line program [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► in the entire world oh it's it's very [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► obvious that anyone who you have to use [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► Oracle in this day and age does not want [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► to use sequel plus so the desperate for [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► anything to use instead of sequel plus [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► and they're asking about GUI tools now [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► Oracle does make I don't know if it's [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► Oracle I think it's going to be Oracle's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► own tool now called a sequel developer I [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► think it's called it's a job of thing so [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► right away it's pretty hideous on Mac OS [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► 10 but it is a GUI and it as it is [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► actually better than sequel plus so my [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► answer to brent is the GUI tool i use is [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► Oracle's disgusting sequel developer [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► java thing that's what i use i don't [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► like it but i use it ah the the other [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► advice I have for doing stuff is if you [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► don't if you can't stand the Java thing [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► visits gross and you can't instant super [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► plus there is a command called RL wrap [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► which you may or may not know about our [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► L stands for read line RL wrap is a [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► general-purpose command that will take [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► some other command whose whose authors [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► are too too lazy or non-existent because [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► maybe the authors are all dead too and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► read line support that's the only reason [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► I can think of either either your Oracle [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► or this program was written by people [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► who are now not living like how does it [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► has a command line program not have red [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► line support let's see it will wrap the [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► program so that you're really talking to [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► RL wrap and it gives you command editing [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► and stuff like that and then it will [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► pass that on to the to the underlying [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► program so you can use ro wrap with [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► sequel plus then they can alias and just [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► run that alias and it works surprisingly [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► well so I put a link to ro wrap in the [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► show notes it's one of those UNIX tools [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► that even a lot of UNIX nerds don't know [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► about and why would you [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► about it you'd know that if you ever had [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► to use Oracle because you were very [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► quickly say there's no way in hell i'm [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► using the sequel plus thing with [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► everyone or i got to find something and [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► you find our rap so that was the one [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► question i chose to entertain perhaps [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► too obscure oh and one final question [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► before we go through fault this is a [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► question that many people asked and [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► continue to ask and will continue to ask [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► this is a question for you Dan Oh [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► hypercritical t-shirts everyone wants to [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► know what's the deal with that I have no [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► answers them because i don't know i [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► don't control the t-shirt so I'm asking [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► you actually anything about every [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► critical teacher in in this case you you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► haven't do control the t-shirts uh [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► several t-shirt designs were put forward [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► going back I would say even as far as a [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► year ago and none of them i would say [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► none of them were suitable i gave you a [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► suggestion for a tag line and you should [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► put this on the shirt and and do so [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► you're saying now that you prove these [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► shirts but you you you showed me like [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► yes yes or no do you prove the last [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► shirt then that we talked about I think [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► that sure it's fine i'm not sure it [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► would be what people want but i thought [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► that shirt would be fine alright i also [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► said i believe last time we discussed [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► this that i'm also fine with a shirt [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that just has the name of the show [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► that's fine with me too and i said i [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► think i saw i said that uh other people [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► may find just the name of the show more [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► appealing as a shirt than the thing I [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► suggested to be on the shirt um so in a [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► case I have no objections to shirts uh [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► but I'm also not doing anything to make [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► them happen okay so let's do the shirts [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► then we'll do them because I have [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► production facilities in place now for [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► all of this seriously i'm not i'm not [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► kidding we're ready to do this you want [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► feedback from from listeners about [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► whether they want a simple shirt that [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► just as the name of the show or a shirt [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► with an obnoxious text on it that i made [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► up uh we could do we could do both and [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► sell both because i have a you know i [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► don't remember what the original shirt [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► suggestion was but I didn't like that [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► one so i said if you're gonna put a [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► bunch of text on it it's really it [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► should be this thing that I suggested [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► which I think no one would ever want to [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► wear but I think it's funny uh or just [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► the name of the show and that's you know [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► generic [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► and can we can we have your avatar on it [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► that's the thing i don't like so many [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► people have seen the other shirts like [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► Merlin shirt we've all seen that one [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► right piece has been for sale has had [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► his face on it right we have done way I [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► have requisitioned an avatar of you and [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► it is great Jory Raphael did it the guy [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► that does the other avatars in the guy [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► that's done all the work on five by five [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► for you know the Shonan the shows the [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► show artwork and he did one of you and I [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► would say it's stunning I don't mind [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► like the drawing is nice just the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► question just anyone want even a cartoon [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► version of my ugly head on their shirt [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► or do they just want the word or [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► whatever so I shall we do in a hole I [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► don't have objections to you selling [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► your shirt with my head on it's all a [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► question of look if you want to sell a [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► lot of shirts we should make sure it's [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the people actually want to buy and I [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► have a difficult time understanding what [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► it is that people want out of a shirt [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► like this okay so uh here's my question [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► for you then would you be content with [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► do you want to make this decision or [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► sure will you leave it to the listeners [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► uh any any of these options are fine [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► okay I'll tell you what it's my face and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► without plan show title or the the thing [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► that I suggested okay so yeah so here's [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► I'll just just going to put this out [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► there uh we are doing t-shirts now so [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► that is that is there we are doing [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► shirts I will do a survey right now and [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► I will put it what or by the time the [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► show posts it will be in the show notes [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► the show notes are going to be at five [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► by five TV such hypercritical such 98 [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► you can go and vote using this little [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► survey which will ask which of them and [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► maybe I can even show the images there [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► and people will be able to pick between [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► the two shirts I I personally thought it [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► would be wonderful this was very quickly [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► vetoed by you i thought it'd be [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► wonderful to have a little road sign [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► that said sirak entering now entering [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► syracuse accounting be towed yeah i [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► would personally i would love the heck [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► out of that shirt I'd get five of them I [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► wear one every day over over my regular [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► shirt that's how much I like it and I'd [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► sleeping mm-hmm but you said no so the [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► choice that we have are either the name [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► of the shirt like I mean to the name of [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► the show on a shirt that just says [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► hypercritical would you want it to be [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► the same [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► sort of font and styling that we have [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► for the artwork ah or would you wanted [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► something different I don't know i'd [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► have to see options but yeah but okay [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► but that's the obvious way to go with [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► that one okay and then the other idea [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► that I had was your face with some text [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► that you had suggested which I like that [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► could be beneath it right you can put [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► the face with the one with the name of [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► the show to like I say the face is an [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► optional you can say with or without the [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► face either one of these two things [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► there are many possible permutation but [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► like what it comes down to is like these [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► are evenly spread then I can just pick [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► one right but if it everyone leans [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► towards one thing you want it like these [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► shirts are for the fans so I want to [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► give them something that they would want [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► right right so that's why I think they [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► should have input into this and Plus you [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► mean you want to sell a lot of shirts so [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► you know don't sell the one that no [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► wants to buy and you will but just so [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► that people understand this you you will [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► profit from these shirts this is I [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► thousands of them yes I want yeah [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► there's not there's not there's not a [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► big margin and t-shirts I mean we do [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► make a few bucks but it's after after [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► production and shipping and the time [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► that it takes for the people to you know [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► box them up or package them up and send [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► them away it's it's not a lot but you [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► will you will be a winner in the [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► profit-sharing game I'm assuming that's [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► a minimum threshold where you have to [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► sell certain number shirts or to be [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► profitable at all so well yeah but I [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► mean it's it's got to be and it's got to [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► be a couple hundred at least but I'm [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► sure well I'm sure what's up way more [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► than that will so way more than that [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► will sell I I predict we sell I don't [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► know I don't know Merlin sell Merlin [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► knows how to sell off shirt ya know he [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► had many shows to to uh but I'll tell [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► you what it were here's the thing though [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► they're not gonna they won't make it to [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► people by Christmas oh yeah no this is [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► not like a Christmas thing or like and [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► this may all happen after the show is [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► off the air which I have no problem with [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► like a fans want shirts you know like [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► people have called it a commemorative [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► t-shirt like hey remember that show you [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► so listen to it's gonna anything that [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► could we put a little commemorative [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► symbol on it somehow you don't need to [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► put like years like it's a gravestone I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► would love it might be fun a little [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► morbid in memory of John syracuse's [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► that's the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► two more but okay I'm just an idea guy [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► you're gonna have to run so there so [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► there is some motion on t shirt front [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► fans 42 minutes in can I do a sponsor [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► yet you can hover com simplified domain [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► management you know you go out there you [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► want a domain that's what you want [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► commnet CEO TV whatever that's what you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► want and a lot of these places they'll [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► try and upsell you and stuff they'll try [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and sign you up for stuff that you don't [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► want they'll try and you know at the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► last minute they'll change the [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► registration from what you thought was [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► one year to two years so all of a sudden [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► you're paying twice as much and you [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► don't know why and this the reason why [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► is because they want your money well [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► hover wants your money too but they [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► don't want to nickel and dime you they [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► don't want to they don't want to to you [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► know to give you a hard time with it [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► they just want you two to be happy they [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► just want you to be happy so you go [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► there you enter a name in the field and [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► they should tell you if it's available [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► or not and then and and then you [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► register it and they give you free who [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► is protection they'll do free domain [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► name transformation transfer valet [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► services where if you go through that [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► awful process of trying to liberate your [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► name from some other place they'll do it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► they'll just do it for you so here's a [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► deal ten percent off if you use the code [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► Dan sent me hover com / dan sent me ten [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► percent off everything you do over there [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► and now that Google Apps is charging for [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► for their services for the email stuff [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► you might want to check out their email [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► hosting it's pretty cool go check them [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► out hover com son Dan sent me 42 minutes [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► in John yeah it's like so this is a [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► grant bag show I know I'm just saying [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► we're gonna have to squash into two more [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► sponsors before you're done well I can [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► go on for a long time I know you can't [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► just a heads up you know yep so here [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► might hear my grab bag tops for today [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► I've got google maps iTunes 11 Tim Cook [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► in the news the Apple made in the USA [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► thing twitterrific 5 wow wow let's start [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► with twitterrific 5 or is is dire am I [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► in do I have any influence over this Oh [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► IRA said that you I I'm just listen them [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► all so we know because I don't think [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► we're gonna get to all Oh we'll get a [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► wall because they'll go along now get to [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► a mall all right I will I will hoist [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► twitterrific 5 up to the top I just want [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► to keep them that seems like you know [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► we're in my it seems like a quick win [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► you know I'll sing always think things [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► always seem quick don't then yes they do [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► I start talking about them all right [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► this actually will be quick i have [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► actually no notes on this is all just [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► going off my head my notes are words [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► twitter i pick in the number 5 so [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► Twitter 5 is out twitterrific is a [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► twitter client I've been using [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► twitterrific since its original [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► incarnation it has a unified timeline [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► what I call the unified timeline we [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► describe a some past shows basically [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► it's a single time sorted list of tweets [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► doesn't matter what kind of tweets they [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► are or why you're seeing them is just [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► one big long list and it's sorted by [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► time so you see the tweets from the [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► people you follow you see retweets from [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► the people you follow you see any tweet [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► that mentions your name you see tweets [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► that are replies to you you see your [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► direct messages all in one list all [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► sorted by time and that's the way I like [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► to read Twitter and app net because it [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► gives me one list to go through and I go [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► from the bottom up to the top because [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► that's the way people do Twitter clients [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► these days and that's it no switching to [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► different panes now checking your [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► replies over here and are checking your [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► direct messages over here even those [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► those alternate views do actually exist [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► I never used them so that's twitterrific [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► ah and I have tried and purchased many [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► many many other Twitter clients uh from [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► the original tweet to all have to modern [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► things like tweetbot of the official [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► twitter client until it got gross and [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► you know tons of other what a twilight [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► or twinkle or whatever that crazy one as [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► well it what is your current as of right [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► now what is your current choice you're [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► number one you're number one for twitter [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► client yeah twitterrific like i was [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► saying as I've tried so many other ones [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► and I've always ended up coming back [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► twitterrific I the only other ones i [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► even have installed anymore is I still [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► have tweetbot installed I believe ah [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► that's it I think I'll see other bunch [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► of kind of favor I think twinkle was the [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► one this is amazing you think about [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► Twitter the way it is today but it was [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► either I don't remember what it is some [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► mole do you think it's twinkle in the [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► chat room it was the one made by that [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► company that employed Mike Lee uh way to [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► remember I remember [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► the company was and what they were [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► trying to do is make a twitter client [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► but like attaching their own social [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► network to it oh so like you did stuff [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► and like it's posted to Twitter but it [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► also tracked other information about you [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► and had its own like social network [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► thing built in like it was can you [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► imagine like they don't even let you [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► make a regular twitter client these days [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and these guys in the early days were [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► making or make trying to make their own [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► social network piggybacking on the [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► Twitter social graph yeah that would not [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► fly these days different different time [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► totally different time the old days a [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► good to salad days yeah uh anyway uh I [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► always try out the clients like I'm not [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► just stuck on Twitter but I do like the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► unified timeline and lots of like [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► clients don't have that so that's [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► keeping you away from other clients a [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► lot including tweet but uh but here's [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► the thing about twitterrific I used it [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► when it came out and then they came out [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► with a version to an aversion to was not [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► like version one with like stuff tweaked [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► it was like an entirely new program it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► just happened to also be called [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► twitterrific there was some similarities [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► in like the default dark theme which was [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► one of their distinguishing [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► characteristics of having like text on a [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► dark background a little bit of the [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► colors the same and of course the icon a [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► little alley tweety bird which the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► entire world steals from them and uses [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► in various ways was the same but [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► otherwise it's like they burn the [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► application to the ground and made a new [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► one right and that was disconcerting to [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► me and I'm like what but I like [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► twitterrific and now this is other thing [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► that you also call twitterrific it's a [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► totally different program so we're on [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► twitter if Rick five now and every time [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► a new version is twitterrific has come [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► back I have liked the old version better [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► than the new version at one way to look [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► at that is that twitterrific is getting [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► worse and worse over time but that's not [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► actually the case what happens is that [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► I'm like oh my god this new version I [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► can't use this I'm stickin with the old [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► one but by the time the new version [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► comes out the old version which used to [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► be the new version I like better than [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► like I come around the other side so but [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► I'm twitterrific three came out I like [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► twitterrific to better than Twitter [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► every boy yeah and I said ouch whatever [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► free what are you doing i love [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► twitterrific to it's perfect don't [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► change the thing what I just you don't [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► need to do anything maybe just add [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► support for the new retweets or [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► something but you don't need a whole [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► app and this happens every single time [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► 22 23 when three came out of like no I [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► like you know but knowing for came out [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► and said I'd rather stick with 34 is not [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► and then it's it and like wasn't this [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► the version that you refuse to upgrade [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► to a little while ago and it's an [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► amazing phenomenon of uh you know Isis [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► just sticking with something you've [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► heard know you're with they're just [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► having an emotional attachment to the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► particular look and feel of the client [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► cuz it's not like they did radical [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► changes in functionality it's mostly [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► just look and feel and how things are [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► arranged and where buttons are and stuff [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► like that ah so I'm amazed again that it [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► happened you know Twitter five once [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► again Twitter hook five looks like that [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► burned twittering for to the ground [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► wrote an entirely new application it's [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► like just has the same name and again I [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► like Twitter fit for better than Twitter [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► five and i said i know i just want to [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► stick with four but when twitterrific [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► six come out I sound gonna feel about [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► Twitter and five know if I was perfect [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► six what are you doing you messin things [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► up it's an amazing phenomenon to me ah [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► that's just what I wanted to mention ah [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► now it could be like every time I was [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► like all right that happened last time [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► but this time no seriously guys I really [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► do like the old version better uh and [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► this time I'm not gonna come around it [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► it's not just a matter of being used to [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the old one there are actual real things [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► that are different about this version [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► that I don't like they're gonna keep me [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► on it of course I've thought that for [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► all the past version 2 and it's turned [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► out not to be the case ah so this time [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► around uh yeah got Twitter hook 5 and I [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► like to work for better because it looks [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► nice not because of the functionality [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► Turner 15 actually has better [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► functionality they finally added pulled [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► to refresh with a cute little animation [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► with that bird coming out of an egg ah [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► and it's it's faster and responsive it [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► has more features like it's just that my [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► tweets don't look like they used to and [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► for something you stare at so much like [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► I use Twitter a lot I'm constant looking [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► out on my ipod touch stuff you get [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► attached to the way things look like [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that's not what at weeks supposed to [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► look like things are rearranged or in [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► the wrong colors and are in the wrong [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► fonts to the wrong size and yeah so this [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► is the challenge of making new software [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► and I applaud icon factory for across [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► five versions continuing to do this say [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► I think it called that on Twitter a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► Phoenix like transformation like every [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► time they just burn there that their [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► most beloved think you know the beloved [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► Twitter client they burn to the ground [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► and make a new one and they just you [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► know they don't backslide and they don't [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► you know go back and change it so it [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► looks like the old one they just plow [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► forward it's [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► admirable and very interesting of course [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► if you've never used whatever for them [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► Twitter 5 can stand on its own merits [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► but apparently I'm sentimental about the [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► way software used to look was that fast [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► those fast is pretty fast Google Maps [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► thanks google maps boy oh boy it's time [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► I write one was that yesterday yesterday [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► yesterday morning brand new google apps [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► Google Maps app for iOS came out and [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► people have been installing it on iOS [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► and it almost immediately became the [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► most popular app in the App Store it has [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► ten thousand four and a half or five [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► star ratings I'm just looking at the [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► link you sent ah yeah you have to guess [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► you have to show it to him to see if [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► they want it you're asking me if you [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► could show them the shirt yes can I show [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► them that yeah you have to in the poll [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► right well I'm going to in the poll but [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► I just wanted to be sure okay yeah I [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► mean you have to have to get an opinion [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► yeah I've just put that into the into [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► the chat room that is the forerunner [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► sure in the shirt as opposed to just the [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► name that is the shirt that we have [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► proposed I certainly would buy one of [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► these would you like it in the sort of [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► Oliver would you like it in the asphalt [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► or is there something different to you [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► and by the way that is is that it does [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► look like you as that idealized version [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► man yeah well that's how I see you there [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► you go yeah no I like that I like the [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► green color I also like great to either [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► one of those colleges fine so that would [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► the choice be that shirt or just along [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► with the name or just the one that shirt [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► or just the one with the name or how [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► about one with the name and your face on [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► also an option those are all okay those [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► are going to three options whatever the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► people want got it check all right uh so [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► Google Maps yeah we've gone through some [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► past shows about Apple ditching google [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► for their mapping trying to do mapping [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► on their own that not workin out too [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► well for them due to mapping data issues [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► even though the Apple maps application [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► is actually pretty cool and then there [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► was the question of will Google make its [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► own Maps application for iOS and the [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► other question was will Apple allow that [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► to be in the store you know for [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► a cranky reason they might decide no you [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► we want you out you can't have your map [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► you know they make the rules owes it was [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► the possibility so we have the answer to [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► that at least Apple allows Google's map [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► application to be on the phone it's not [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► the default map application you can't [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► change that or anything like that but [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► you they did allow it to be sold on the [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► store and we also know the answer the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► question of will Google deign to make a [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► map application for iOS yes they will [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► and here it is and we kinda had the [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► answers those before every school said [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► they were working on something and blah [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► blah blah but so many questions have [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► been answered by these distance of this [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► of this application and its presence on [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► the store although there was a fun part [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► in the beginning when it first came out [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► wherever I'm like I can't download the [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► store says this applications no longer [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► available then you could spin out [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► conspiracy theories about someone [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► accidentally approved it really apples [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► taking it down and they don't want them [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► yet but it turns out it was just just [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► Apple doing it's wonderful job of [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► server-side software services sad ah so [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► what does this google maps app have yeah [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► it has vector map tiles instead of just [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► bitmaps and which allows them to load [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► faster seen on to load these giant [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► bitmaps a great look really nice [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► remedies has turn by turn directions [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► which it didn't have before but which [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► Apple's new maps thing do have if you do [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► driving directions it will you know go [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► through the directions one turn at a [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► time for you instead of just showing you [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► the source and destination of the trail [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► between them one of the questions about [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► this is all right presumably Google was [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► not willing to provide these two [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► particular things vector map tiles and [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► turn-by-turn directions before when [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► Apple was in theory negotiating with [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► Google saying you know hey Google we see [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► on Android phones you've got [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► turn-by-turn directions of vector maps [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► we'd like to include those in our iOS [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► built-in Maps application that uses your [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► data can we get that data from you and [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► presumably Google was saying no and that [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► negotiation didn't work out I think this [TS]

00:55:07 ◼   ► is all hearsay in rumors I don't think [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► either company has officially revealed [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► the details of their negotiations but [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► the assumption is that Apple wanted [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► vector maps and turn-by-turn directions [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► and Apple and Google could not come to [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► an agreement about them Google was [TS]

00:55:20 ◼   ► saying you can have them but and Apple [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► would say we don't like that but and [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► they would go back and forth and [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► eventually Apple just said you know [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► we're going to make our own Maps thanks [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► but no thanks we're gonna let this [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► contra [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► expire you're off the phone on iOS 6 and [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► that's what happened and so that's that [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► you know and then Google is at and puts [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► these things on the phone well if Google [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► was was trying to negotiate before I [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► saying you can't have these vector map [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► and turn-by-turn directions and then [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► they turn around and just give them to [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► them give them to Apple for free because [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► this is a free application how does that [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► make any sense suppose in Google's [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► stupid not to give in to apples demands [TS]