97: Idle Doodles


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  about by my friend and yours host of [TS]

  this show John siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin [TS]

  today is wednesday december 5th 2012 [TS]

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  software.com / 5 by 5 how are you today [TS]

  John I'm doing fine got follow-up today [TS]

  we have follow-up and then we have we're [TS]

  going to have an opportunity to ask you [TS]

  some questions that were a couple for me [TS]

  but most of them submitted from our [TS]

  listeners over Twitter because this is [TS]

  the QA episode if you will the [TS]

  long-anticipated Q&A episode yeah i [TS]

  think it was like why did episode 95 or [TS]

  something like that when i said we've [TS]

  announced the end of the show I said one [TS]

  of the episodes was gonna be a Q&A [TS]

  episode but it wouldn't tell you which [TS]

  one it would be mostly because I didn't [TS]

  know [TS]

  and this week we're recording early [TS]

  because you're travelling right on our [TS]

  usual day so this is a perfect time to [TS]

  do it because you know we only had but [TS]

  last show was on Friday and now it's [TS]

  Wednesday so I don't have the normal [TS]

  enough time to collect and prepare a [TS]

  topic for the show so this is the [TS]

  perfect time to do a Q&A show and it is [TS]

  that it for the record it says this is [TS]

  not a stump John kind of show these [TS]

  questions they're not geared at throwing [TS]

  you you know things you will you'll have [TS]

  to be put on the spot to answer from [TS]

  like a technological knowledge base [TS]

  standpoint they're there questions about [TS]

  you the man the man there whatever [TS]

  anyone wants to ask but if I don't know [TS]

  I'm just gonna say i don't know and [TS]

  that'll be boring questionable just you [TS]

  know I'm won't ask anything like that [TS]

  move on they don't have to be about it [TS]

  can be about anything ask me anything [TS]

  because I can always simply not answer [TS]

  and I would like to say thanks very much [TS]

  to my producer Hattie cook for helping [TS]

  curate your favorite word curate and [TS]

  cull the list of questions or many many [TS]

  people responded when I put it out there [TS]

  on Twitter and she helped picked help me [TS]

  pick some of the very very best [TS]

  questions so get ready John I hope next [TS]

  year like the word of the year will be [TS]

  curing like curing meats because cured [TS]

  meats are much better than curated [TS]

  things that's that's gonna be the word [TS]

  of the year and I'm by the way feel it [TS]

  in this show like this this is supposed [TS]

  to be questions from the audience from [TS]

  the chat room from people on Twitter [TS]

  people email you or whatever this does [TS]

  not count as the as you asking me [TS]

  questions so I said there also might be [TS]

  a show where I say all right Dan now [TS]

  it's time for you to ask me stuff and [TS]

  yes this this is not that show so don't [TS]

  think you're getting just because you're [TS]

  like sneaking in a few of your own [TS]

  questions it doesn't mean you get it [TS]

  well how about this i will remove my own [TS]

  questions these will be one hundred [TS]

  percent crowdsource questions done but [TS]

  yeah it's a that's up to you if you want [TS]

  to reserve them for if if you you may be [TS]

  called upon to do this you may not be [TS]

  maybe we will never have that show we [TS]

  don't know huh so use your own judgment [TS]

  alright but first we have to do [TS]

  follow-up of course ah and we do have a [TS]

  reasonable sized chunk of bat from last [TS]

  week i guess we'll start with some more [TS]

  about chip stuff and intel and AMD and [TS]

  arm and all that that has been going on [TS]

  for the past few shows this for [TS]

  bit is an anonymous bit of feedback from [TS]

  someone who calls himself Scott [TS]

  anonymous Scott if you want to be [TS]

  anonymous you shouldn't you shouldn't [TS]

  put your name Scott there if that is [TS]

  your moment not full and an image he [TS]

  write half he says that he works at [TS]

  Intel and that they call it taping out [TS]

  not taping it so now we have a battle of [TS]

  the anonymous sources one says he works [TS]

  at Intel and they call taping out and [TS]

  the other one is just merely anonymous [TS]

  and says they call it taping in so i [TS]

  don't know maybe you anonymous people [TS]

  should find each other in the intel [TS]

  lunch room or wherever you might want to [TS]

  meet and hash it out cuz i don't know [TS]

  what to think i'm just going by it based [TS]

  on your feedback so so there you have it [TS]

  he says they called taping out Peter [TS]

  Evans wrote in about the term taping out [TS]

  which I'll a show i said i'm not sure [TS]

  what the origin of that term is but i [TS]

  imagine had something to do with real [TS]

  physical tape my guess was that it had [TS]

  to do with like laying down pieces of [TS]

  tape to lay out where like the traces [TS]

  might go in the ancient myths of time [TS]

  but that's apparently wrong so Peter [TS]

  Evans up gave me some history here he [TS]

  says historically this referred to [TS]

  actually shipping a magnetic tape [TS]

  containing the files on it for making [TS]

  the bullet with a photolithography [TS]

  graphs no photo lithography masks mmm to [TS]

  the family so like a magnetic tape like [TS]

  you know as a storage medium for digital [TS]

  data and that's what tapping out means [TS]

  and he says that the file format for [TS]

  this tape was something called GDS which [TS]

  is an unbelievably arcane relic of 1970s [TS]

  and is gradually being replaced [TS]

  throughout the industry that was taking [TS]

  far too long soon as nowadays they [TS]

  usually securely email or ftp the files [TS]

  and that's the modern version email or [TS]

  ftp those are the two modern choices [TS]

  instead of sending a tape over i would [TS]

  say that both email FTP are also ancient [TS]

  things that should be you know relegated [TS]

  to the dustbin a digital history [TS]

  particularly ftp but really like if your [TS]

  Intel and you have like the next design [TS]

  for your you know next super duper [TS]

  processor do you want to email it like [TS]

  all it's a secure email we put it in a [TS]

  password-protected zip file and we send [TS]

  it through gmail i will use ftp with a [TS]

  with clear text passwords i'm sure [TS]

  that's great anyway so there you have it [TS]

  taping out even though they may or may [TS]

  not actually use [TS]

  tapes these days that's what it refers [TS]

  to taking putting your data onto tape [TS]

  and sending it out to the fat on the [TS]

  glass show talking about the possibility [TS]

  of i think it was Apple contracting out [TS]

  TSMC to do their fabbing and how there [TS]

  was rumors about that and how part of [TS]

  one of the stories that was reading [TS]

  about that deal said that TSMC would [TS]

  have to get used to the way Apple likes [TS]

  to fund how does financially structure [TS]

  these type of deals where they do the [TS]

  more like apple buys the equipment up [TS]

  front for the people and then they get [TS]

  paid back in the chips that they [TS]

  manufacture and the reason most of the [TS]

  reason I was confused by this is because [TS]

  why I don't know what what the financial [TS]

  reason is behind this arrangement but be [TS]

  the article phrased it as TSMC would [TS]

  have to get used to this like oh [TS]

  normally we wouldn't do stuff like this [TS]

  but Apple wants this strange sort of [TS]

  deal and it seems like why would why [TS]

  would TSMC object to someone structuring [TS]

  the dealer's ways it works for them so [TS]

  I'm still not entirely sure on a bed [TS]

  Trevor hardi verdun to explain why deals [TS]

  might be structured this way it makes [TS]

  perfect sense in terms of the the [TS]

  financials doesn't make sense to me in [TS]

  terms of that article saying why someone [TS]

  might object to this but the gist of it [TS]

  is that doing semiconductor [TS]

  manufacturing has very very large [TS]

  upfront purchase costs like to build a [TS]

  fab at any particular feature size cost [TS]

  literally billions of dollars just you [TS]

  know you have to just put that money out [TS]

  front before you get the first chip off [TS]

  the thing so you just need a huge amount [TS]

  of capital its liquid that you can put [TS]

  down or you know get a loan or whatever [TS]

  and you need to build the thing and then [TS]

  finally when the thing is built [TS]

  presuming you built the right thing at [TS]

  the right time and the right place can [TS]

  get customers then finally you can start [TS]

  making money off of it so if you are say [TS]

  a low-margin semiconductor manufacturing [TS]

  business you might not have multiple [TS]

  billions of dollars hanging around or [TS]

  you might not want to take out the kind [TS]

  of big alone whereas Apple comes in with [TS]

  its you know forty percent profit [TS]

  margins and multiple billions of dollars [TS]

  in the bank make us a look I know you [TS]

  don't want to take the financial risk to [TS]

  build this fab or whatever will put the [TS]

  money up front will give you this money [TS]

  you build the fab and then you'll pay it [TS]

  back to us by you know making a you know [TS]

  chips or whatever your financial region [TS]

  is so like they'll front them [TS]

  for you and I'm sure apple extracts you [TS]

  know lower profit margins for this let [TS]

  me conduct your manufacturer based on [TS]

  that or whatever so maybe that's why [TS]

  they don't like the deal but anyway [TS]

  that's that and I'll does that with lots [TS]

  of other manufactures not just [TS]

  semiconductors like they do the thing [TS]

  you know we'll buy them we'll put the [TS]

  expenditures upfront to buy these metal [TS]

  machining tools or whatever to do these [TS]

  precise machining of aluminum and stuff [TS]

  and then we'll buy you the tools you put [TS]

  them in your factory and you turn them [TS]

  out so anybody this is all speculative [TS]

  biggest no such deal has yet taken place [TS]

  but this is trevor Hardy's explanation [TS]

  of why the deal might be arranged this [TS]

  way and of course you know why diff [TS]

  Apple has money why don't they just do [TS]

  with themselves fault presumably the fab [TS]

  the people who run the fab have [TS]

  expertise in manufacturing you know [TS]

  Apple just has the money and they'll [TS]

  give it to those guys and say all they [TS]

  know you know how to build their fabs [TS]

  and how to run them and stuff like that [TS]

  emoto's front the money from Jarrod [TS]

  Williams wrote in to talk about AMD and [TS]

  how we talk about you know what if apple [TS]

  bought AMD what were they get out of it [TS]

  would be good idea or bad idea said if [TS]

  anyone buys AMD AMD has to renegotiate [TS]

  its cross license agreement with Intel [TS]

  and this is I'm assuming Jared learned [TS]

  this from the exact same place that I [TS]

  learned it which is the anandtech [TS]

  podcast I put a link to it in the show [TS]

  it's because it's a good one to listen [TS]

  to lots of great technical info I mean [TS]

  if you don't like hearing about if you [TS]

  think I when it's zoom in detail the [TS]

  chip stuff you probably won't like this [TS]

  podcast but even getting go into enough [TS]

  detail you were like this point right [TS]

  and so I listened to one of the recent [TS]

  episodes will they talked about AMD and [TS]

  so I am being then to have a cross [TS]

  license agreement you know lots of [TS]

  companies have these where they get in [TS]

  some code of patent dispute or [TS]

  intellectual property dispute and they [TS]

  come to an agreement they say okay you [TS]

  can use our intellectual property and we [TS]

  can use yours some limited subsets or [TS]

  whatever and we won't see each other [TS]

  whatever will go forward but part of the [TS]

  deal is apparently if either company [TS]

  gets bought by anybody if Intel changes [TS]

  ownership or if AMD changes ownership [TS]

  that deal is off and has to be [TS]

  renegotiated or not or whatever you know [TS]

  but that deal is null and void and you [TS]

  know so if anyone buys AMD you know [TS]

  you're not automatically getting for [TS]

  example the ability [TS]

  make x86 processors because your [TS]

  agreement with Intel let you do that is [TS]

  gone and now you have to renegotiate it [TS]

  and similarly if AMD or intel gets [TS]

  bought Intel's ability I'm assuming and [TS]

  the antec pod tech podcast assume as [TS]

  well that Intel's ability to use x86 64 [TS]

  the 64-bit instruction set extension [TS]

  invented by AMD and used in all of [TS]

  Intel's modern desktop processors and [TS]

  laptop processors uh until needs that to [TS]

  be part of its business so it's not like [TS]

  if someone buys it all bets are off and [TS]

  then you know tough luck if someone buys [TS]

  you the company those the two parties [TS]

  are going to renegotiate because they [TS]

  need each other like they each have [TS]

  something of the person wants the Intel [TS]

  is no good without the ability to make [TS]

  x86 64 and AMD is probably no good [TS]

  without the ability to make x86 chips so [TS]

  they both have all sorts of super done [TS]

  patents I'm sure and plus other [TS]

  intellectual property based on the stuff [TS]

  they've invented but that's one more [TS]

  monkey wrench in the possible theories [TS]

  about someone buying AMD and by the way [TS]

  who listen to that antec podcast about [TS]

  AMD they paint a pretty dire picture of [TS]

  where AMD is like they've already sold [TS]

  off all the things they can sell off to [TS]

  to make quick to make a quick buck [TS]

  they're not well positioned in the [TS]

  market and they're running out of money [TS]

  fast and it doesn't look like their [TS]

  pipeline has any blockbuster products [TS]

  they're going to pull them up out of it [TS]

  so it was a pretty depressing podcast if [TS]

  you're hopeful for the future of AMD and [TS]

  last week talked about Intel's [TS]

  transactional memory features that [TS]

  they've put in as well and presumably [TS]

  all future chips but we'll say and [TS]

  someone with the funny name ghee in [TS]

  glaze a right sent to tell me that [TS]

  transactional memory is probably more [TS]

  useful in the kernel than in user space [TS]

  code so like the kernel maintains lots [TS]

  of shared resources like the unified [TS]

  buffer cache where it you know caches [TS]

  access to files and other things like [TS]

  that in memory and lots of other [TS]

  processes need to manipulate that that [TS]

  cash because they all go into kernel [TS]

  space and do that and years ago as he [TS]

  points out Mac os10 used to have just [TS]

  one big giant lock around anything if [TS]

  you go and do anything with like the the [TS]

  buffer cache you go in there you grab [TS]

  one [TS]

  locking everyone else has blocked out [TS]

  even if they weren't even gonna touch [TS]

  anywhere near where you're going to [TS]

  touch and that's sort of you know [TS]

  coarse-grained locking it's not [TS]

  particularly good for concurrency [TS]

  because say all you know there's five [TS]

  processes that want to screw with this [TS]

  thing and they're really not going to [TS]

  overlap at all but if we have as coarse [TS]

  grain locking only one of them can do at [TS]

  a time so Mac os10 has been making finer [TS]

  grain locking over time to sit okay well [TS]

  these guys really aren't going to [TS]

  conflict with each other we can have [TS]

  these smaller locks onto these smaller [TS]

  areas and then they can both go at the [TS]

  same time and that's great especially [TS]

  multi-core CPUs but with transactional [TS]

  memory in theory you could rewrite this [TS]

  parts of the kernel to use the hardware [TS]

  transactional memory features and say [TS]

  okay everyone just go at once and if any [TS]

  of you actually have a collision then [TS]

  yeah you'll get rolled back and have to [TS]

  do locking stuff or whatever but inmate [TS]

  and need hopefully more common case [TS]

  where there are no collisions no one has [TS]

  to grab any locks at all like you know [TS]

  sixteen virtual cores can be having [TS]

  processes running that are messing with [TS]

  this part of the colonel so so we'll see [TS]

  I mean like lots of speculative hardware [TS]

  features they think will be good for [TS]

  some theoretical kinds of workloads you [TS]

  have to this two things one you have to [TS]

  see how many real-world workloads [TS]

  actually conform to this theoretical [TS]

  thing they'll be better and to you have [TS]

  to get people to actually rewrite their [TS]

  software to take advantage of your cool [TS]

  new features or tweak your software do [TS]

  something or at least recompile it you [TS]

  know depending on how I the bar so we'll [TS]

  see how where that goes oh and he also [TS]

  says that he grew up on blue peter in [TS]

  England and he loved that show mm-hmm [TS]

  many Blue Peter fans writing and in fact [TS]

  this next bit of follow-up from David [TS]

  Meyers is about Blue Peter beginning [TS]

  beginning the Blue Peter section of the [TS]

  faulkner try to turn this down ah so he [TS]

  says that despite all our laughing he [TS]

  says sniggering about the name Blue [TS]

  Peter it's actually named after the [TS]

  maritime signaling flag representing the [TS]

  letter P I put a link in the show notes [TS]

  to Wikipedia page of international [TS]

  maritime signal flags he says when flown [TS]

  in the harbor it means all persons [TS]

  should report on board as the vessel is [TS]

  about to proceed to see which is the [TS]

  show creators way of saying program is [TS]

  like a ship setting out on a voyage [TS]

  having new adventures and discovering [TS]

  new things so it's like everybody aboard [TS]

  the board and by the way David Myers and [TS]

  that paragraph spelled Harbor with an O [TS]

  you are in the end and program with an e [TS]

  at the end proving that he is a bona [TS]

  fide person from across the pond right [TS]

  that's all you need to do to prove that [TS]

  to us yes there's open oh you are I [TS]

  guess who else would do that no one yeah [TS]

  and I he also provided a link to the [TS]

  Blue Peter FAQ for people who want to [TS]

  know more about Blue Peter he says [TS]

  having grown up in the 60s in the UK [TS]

  with only a couple of channels on TV and [TS]

  only one hour per day of children's [TS]

  television Blue Peter was a major [TS]

  influence on the formative years of many [TS]

  of my generation and I can attest from [TS]

  the feedback of that is true many people [TS]

  wrote in simply to say that they watch [TS]

  blue peter and they loved it as a kid so [TS]

  there you go it's like the British [TS]

  Sesame Street I still didn't actually go [TS]

  to youtube and like trying to look up an [TS]

  episode to see what it was like so I [TS]

  just like imagining what it's like in my [TS]

  head and not actually knowing uh okay [TS]

  actually that was the end of the Blue [TS]

  Peter section a little bit about the wii [TS]

  u from someone named Christopher whose [TS]

  last name I could not find he provided a [TS]

  link to a YouTube show channel thing [TS]

  whatever called the way games work I [TS]

  watched a little bit of it and I look [TS]

  like it was pretty good this is about [TS]

  how the Wii U gamepad works talks about [TS]

  capacitive touchscreens and gyroscopes [TS]

  and it's not particularly techie but [TS]

  it's you know if you want sort of a fun [TS]

  high level overview of how the stuff [TS]

  inside the gamepad works you should [TS]

  check it out it's in the show notes to [TS]

  software update things one new one old [TS]

  the first one is I wanted to mention [TS]

  that the new version of BB edit is out [TS]

  even though they're not sponsoring this [TS]

  episode yes they well they have they [TS]

  have in the past so it you know even [TS]

  even if they hadn't we're not going to [TS]

  not talk about it that's right and this [TS]

  is noteworthy because this is a version [TS]

  B be at a 10.5 it's a free update for [TS]

  people who own baby out of 10 i believe [TS]

  and it includes retina support which [TS]

  means that if you have a mac with a [TS]

  retina screen everything is rendered at [TS]

  the higher resolution and that doesn't [TS]

  sound like such a big deal like so what [TS]

  lots of apps are updated for retina [TS]

  support it's kind of a big deal because [TS]

  bbedit depending on your definition of [TS]

  the term is pretty much a carbon [TS]

  application carbon [TS]

  is the legacy Mac API that was created [TS]

  to allow people who had classic mac OS [TS]

  applications to more easily port them to [TS]

  Mac OS 10 and it became legacy when [TS]

  Apple decided that they're not going to [TS]

  provide a 64-bit version of carbon so [TS]

  they would continue to support [TS]

  carbon-carbon appt cebu continue to run [TS]

  but if you wanted your app to be 64 bit [TS]

  it couldn't be carbon this is despite [TS]

  the fact that it are you Donna stantial [TS]

  portion of the work to get 64-bit carbon [TS]

  working so it wasn't a technical problem [TS]

  was more of a political one it said look [TS]

  Coco is the future all your apps should [TS]

  be written in Cocoa going forward uh [TS]

  where you know we're cutting off carbon [TS]

  and that happened many years ago things [TS]

  like Photoshop had since ported [TS]

  themselves to Coco the real difficulty [TS]

  is figure out what do you mean but [TS]

  what's a cocoa app and what's a carbon [TS]

  app like if you look at almost any [TS]

  modern application you'll see that they [TS]

  link to the carbon framework and the [TS]

  cocoa frameworks because even cocoa [TS]

  applications need to call into things [TS]

  that you know could arguably be defined [TS]

  as carbon api's and most modern carbon [TS]

  apps also linked to the cocoa frameworks [TS]

  and so like you know is it is it a cocoa [TS]

  app yeah you know if it you know is an [TS]

  MS application and runs through that [TS]

  type of loop is it a carbon out because [TS]

  it uses carbon events so you know [TS]

  there's lots of different ways you can [TS]

  define it but the bottom line is it [TS]

  bbedit as an application that's been [TS]

  around for ages for what 30 years 20 [TS]

  years I forget they had a recent [TS]

  anniversary and I forget how many years [TS]

  it is but this application was a rat was [TS]

  originally distributed on floppy disk to [TS]

  let you know how old it is well and so [TS]

  it's been continuously developed for all [TS]

  those years uh and so obviously you know [TS]

  you can't really say well why do you [TS]

  guys have a carbon code base was you [TS]

  know the app was shipped in like [TS]

  nineteen ninety-two like there was no [TS]

  nothing back then there was a different [TS]

  world and so this is still the same [TS]

  application more or less continuously [TS]

  developed and they managed to find a way [TS]

  somehow through black magic to make [TS]

  their application support retina [TS]

  displays does that mean they converted [TS]

  the application to cocoa does that mean [TS]

  they found a way to draw on retina [TS]

  displays with carbon I don't know the [TS]

  technical details someday if you have [TS]

  rich seagull on one of your interior [TS]

  shows you can ask him yeah I'm [TS]

  definitely an ask him about people who [TS]

  asked me about that I directed them to [TS]

  rich he can reveal his secrets or not [TS]

  but the point is it's real it's shipping [TS]

  it's even in the mac app store I believe [TS]

  the old version certainly we're on [TS]

  assume this won't be as well I don't [TS]

  even have a Retina screen I'm a BB at a [TS]

  beta tester so I've been running it for [TS]

  a while but it's not like the only [TS]

  feature baby at 10.5 is retina support [TS]

  it also has a tremendous amount of new [TS]

  features as all new versions of baby I [TS]

  to do I put a link into the typically [TS]

  copious bare-bones release notes does [TS]

  the name of the company it's not saying [TS]

  that three thought release notes or bare [TS]

  bones in fact quite the opposite so if [TS]

  you want to see all the new features [TS]

  that are in there even if you don't have [TS]

  a Retina screen check it out I guess [TS]

  that it's free update for anyone who has [TS]

  the most recent major version of VPN it [TS]

  finally on software notes this is a [TS]

  question this is kind of like getting [TS]

  into the QA show a little early but not [TS]

  really from Don liebes or Don lives from [TS]

  a long time ago he said that uh many [TS]

  episodes ago I talked about quicken and [TS]

  my inability to run it I think it was [TS]

  like an ability to run on lion or maybe [TS]

  was the ability to run the mountain lion [TS]

  or something like that everyone quick [TS]

  and wouldn't run on modern max maybe [TS]

  because they didn't have an x86 port and [TS]

  line dropped the oh yeah Rosetta yes [TS]

  there was that weird in-between time [TS]

  yeah and I said like okay well you know [TS]

  I could run it in you know virtual [TS]

  machine running snow leopard or [TS]

  something or I could keep a machine and [TS]

  not upgraded to lion and run it there [TS]

  and you know or I could you know look [TS]

  for other things people like oh well you [TS]

  know if you're looking for other or [TS]

  software applications here's a buzzer [TS]

  suggestions and if you pick one tell us [TS]

  what you picked on the air so Donna's [TS]

  asking whatever happened with that what [TS]

  did you do did you change to use a [TS]

  different application and you stop using [TS]

  quick and whatever i'm not sure if I [TS]

  mentioned this on past shows but its [TS]

  figures worth following up on now before [TS]

  the show ends what I ended up doing was [TS]

  apparently waiting long enough and then [TS]

  into it came out of her with a version [TS]

  of quicken for the mac that ran on lion [TS]

  and i just bought that it was like a $13 [TS]

  upgrade or whatever was so i did not get [TS]

  off a quick and i'm still using quicken [TS]

  its quicken for mac 2007 which tells you [TS]

  the vintage this program but it does run [TS]

  on modern max at least around online I [TS]

  it still runs a mountain lion like I [TS]

  launched it the other day in mountain [TS]

  lion maybe there's some features don't [TS]

  work in mountain lion or some features [TS]

  are buggy I don't know we I'm very [TS]

  limited user of Quicken we just [TS]

  basically use it to track a bunch of [TS]

  numbers not using any of the fancy [TS]

  online stuff or any other features so so [TS]

  there you have it the depressing non [TS]

  exciting conclusion to my quest for a [TS]

  finance program I'm still using quick in [TS]

  2007 all right and the final section of [TS]

  fall before we get to the QA guys going [TS]

  to be all about the geek culture stuff [TS]

  doesn't let let's just say that the [TS]

  outpouring of responses about that [TS]

  episode has been more that I feel than [TS]

  any any episode that you've done maybe [TS]

  with the exception of your Steve Jobs [TS]

  Isaacson book uh episode yeah I expected [TS]

  to get a whole bunch of hate mail and [TS]

  sort of true to form like as soon as the [TS]

  show was over and you know stop [TS]

  recording I quit skype like the first [TS]

  email to arrive was a not complimentary [TS]

  and I'm like all right here it comes but [TS]

  really that was like the exception most [TS]

  of the feedback was positive I always [TS]

  kind of feel like for like blog posts or [TS]

  podcasts and stuff like that it's kind [TS]

  of cheating when you when you do a topic [TS]

  that people have an emotional connection [TS]

  to know like all that was great like the [TS]

  Steve Jobs show why do people like that [TS]

  it's because i was particularly [TS]

  insightful or articulate no it's just [TS]

  that people have an emotional connection [TS]

  to Steve Jobs so when you talk about it [TS]

  triggers the emotions in them and they'd [TS]

  say all that was a great podcast really [TS]

  wasn't I don't think it was any greater [TS]

  or better than mote you know I think [TS]

  other podcasts i did on less emotionally [TS]

  resonant topics were more interesting [TS]

  more insightful better structured more [TS]

  coherent blah blah blah but people [TS]

  connect to emotionally and sell that was [TS]

  the one that I really liked and so I see [TS]

  that I was blog post or someone write a [TS]

  blog post about something it's like was [TS]

  this an example of great riding or was [TS]

  it just writing about a topic that you [TS]

  have an emotional connection to like [TS]

  maybe I'm crazy for trying to separate [TS]

  those two but I always you know you know [TS]

  it my my usual modus operandi is is to [TS]

  reject any compliments and explain why [TS]

  they're not valid and that happened [TS]

  again with this one because i felt like [TS]

  it when I listen back to him like I kind [TS]

  of got the point across i was kind of [TS]

  get across but really was this was that [TS]

  a good [TS]

  episode you know but anyway I thank [TS]

  everyone for the feedback I did want to [TS]

  talk about it I'm glad that people [TS]

  enjoyed it and I'm not trying to [TS]

  invalidate your enjoyment of it i'm just [TS]

  being my normal hypercritical self what [TS]

  else can I be but I do have some [TS]

  follow-up on that episode I'll get back [TS]

  onto this self analysis in a little bit [TS]

  first part is a a link that a couple [TS]

  people sent me like that actually read [TS]

  but I didn't manage to get into the show [TS]

  notes I'd read it awhile ago I think [TS]

  back when it was published two things [TS]

  from like this summer it's by john [TS]

  scalzi who is a famous science fiction [TS]

  author i have not read any of his books [TS]

  but he's still famous still see even if [TS]

  you have not read it he still qualifies [TS]

  I don't read them any century science [TS]

  fiction books believe it or not then I [TS]

  would think you'd be spending almost all [TS]

  of your free time not to preparing for [TS]

  the show reading and rereading Ender's [TS]

  Game I have never read that book never I [TS]

  don't know if it would hold up for you [TS]

  anymore I think it's actually on one of [TS]

  my I think I bought the book of it [TS]

  thinking maybe I should read it but then [TS]

  you should read it but yeah alright so [TS]

  the title of this article by john scalzi [TS]

  is who gets to be geek anyone who wants [TS]

  to be which sums up the last show i put [TS]

  it in the show it's only for [TS]

  completeness i think the title says it [TS]

  all sometimes you don't have to write [TS]

  the body of the thing it's who gets a [TS]

  biggie ? answer anyone who wants to be [TS]

  okay no body of this article is required [TS]

  oh you need more explanation than read [TS]

  on so he said it better earlier so there [TS]

  you have it some more feedback from [TS]

  people talking about uh you know [TS]

  misogynists and stuff like that and it [TS]

  made me think of another point that I [TS]

  should have put into the previous show [TS]

  it's about what you are versus what you [TS]

  do this is another one of those things [TS]

  like the year that your mother tells you [TS]

  when you're little that adults should [TS]

  still remember because it's valid advice [TS]

  lots of the people who are giving [TS]

  feedback and writing her back and forth [TS]

  to each other on the web about the fake [TS]

  geek girl issue fall into this trap I [TS]

  did it myself i'm sure in the previous [TS]

  podcast of calling someone a misogynist [TS]

  you've surely heard that like [TS]

  the guy who is our read all that stuff [TS]

  room was Tony Harris or something some [TS]

  comic book artists oh I didn't know who [TS]

  wrote that terrible thing right that was [TS]

  kind of the basis of the article that I [TS]

  was riffing on and the previous show you [TS]

  know clearly he's a misogynist right i [TS]

  mean just read what he wrote I think [TS]

  it's not particularly useful to talk [TS]

  about people in that way like condemning [TS]

  it's better it's better to condemn their [TS]

  actions then to say they are something [TS]

  because if you say someone is something [TS]

  you are a misogynist well like how can [TS]

  someone change what they are right but [TS]

  if you say that thing you wrote you know [TS]

  is misogynistic right or that thing that [TS]

  you said like if you can condemn their [TS]

  actions people can change their action [TS]

  it's like okay well going forward I will [TS]

  not make that action right but if you [TS]

  say oh no no you are a misogynist well [TS]

  then how can you ever change that right [TS]

  once you once you label somebody is what [TS]

  they are you put your painting your uh [TS]

  backing them into a corner basically [TS]

  because they look they will they will [TS]

  lash out and be defensive because you [TS]

  know you are labeling me as what I am [TS]

  rather than saying that thing that you [TS]

  did was bad uh or you know sexist or [TS]

  racist or ever you want to pick because [TS]

  they can say okay well I just won't do [TS]

  that thing anymore i agree with you that [TS]

  was that thing i did was bad i will [TS]

  change my ways than going forward I will [TS]

  not do that thing because if you label [TS]

  them as the misogynist then everything [TS]

  to do from then on it's like well I'll [TS]

  just regard everything he does cuz he's [TS]

  a misogynist well if he does not act in [TS]

  that way going forward then he's not you [TS]

  know so I'm over I'm talking around in [TS]

  circles in this but basically I'm a big [TS]

  proponent of the idea of condemning [TS]

  things that people do and say and their [TS]

  actions and policies and stuff rather [TS]

  than labeling them because once you [TS]

  label somebody and it ends constructive [TS]

  discourse alright um and that's for the [TS]

  topic of that last show about you know [TS]

  fakie girls and misogyny and all that [TS]

  stuff I'm really surprised I didn't get [TS]

  any feedback condemning me for pitching [TS]

  myself such a softball like no way what [TS]

  do you what do you mean by bold stand [TS]

  against misogyny on the next show we're [TS]

  gonna talk about how I feel about [TS]

  killing puppies and stealing from the [TS]

  elderly like it's you know it's such a [TS]

  softball like what am I gonna do it on [TS]

  I'm gonna be for it it's gonna be pro [TS]

  misogyny like it's really it's you're [TS]

  saying we did it was it was two years [TS]

  too easy for you to take the side that [TS]

  you talk I mean I just thought I need to [TS]

  be said in those kind of obvious but [TS]

  it's not like it's not you know it's not [TS]

  a controversial issue in it in hindsight [TS]

  is probably why I didn't get a lot of [TS]

  hate mail about it is because like what [TS]

  am I you know other people who are pro [TS]

  misogyny gonna write me and tell me [TS]

  actually you're wrong and we should [TS]

  really hate all women like I guess maybe [TS]

  those people are out there but they did [TS]

  they're not listening to the show right [TS]

  but it really was it was a softball like [TS]

  I'm not I'm not tackling a topic where I [TS]

  really had to think hard about what the [TS]

  the answer is there and uh but there are [TS]

  much more complex facets to this and a [TS]

  lot of people did bring up the more [TS]

  complex things one of them is the can I [TS]

  say di ck on the show and we won't get [TS]

  do it do it I don't get to get bleed [TS]

  euler like that do it because it could [TS]

  be the short version of some persons [TS]

  name was mother named him race I try to [TS]

  do it uh so the penny arcade dick wolves [TS]

  controversy you're familiar with this [TS]

  okay I need this explain to me because [TS]

  other people have made reference to this [TS]

  I don't know what it is and I'm I'm [TS]

  please explain this yeah people not in [TS]

  penny arcade circles might not know what [TS]

  is this different from rape wolf that's [TS]

  the same thing okay so i put links in [TS]

  the show notes to this topic one is an [TS]

  article by all on all lowercase Arthur [TS]

  hyphen IGN whose real name I could not [TS]

  find the title of his thing is on dick [TS]

  wolves ethics and why I'm not attending [TS]

  pax east and it is kind of a personal [TS]

  explanation of how this issue made him [TS]

  decide not to attend pax east and then [TS]

  he linked to when I also put in the show [TS]

  notes I link on a site called debacle [TS]

  tumblr com which is the pratfall of [TS]

  Penny Arcade a timeline it is a timeline [TS]

  trying to be a dispassionate timeline [TS]

  all the events that happened in this [TS]

  controversies you want if you want to [TS]

  see either someone's reaction to it in [TS]

  summary or just like a timeline of like [TS]

  this happened then this happened in this [TS]

  happen this happen you can read both of [TS]

  those now I don't want to get into this [TS]

  issue mostly because it is a complex [TS]

  issue and it's not where some place [TS]

  where i can say all party a is totally [TS]

  riding the other side is totally wrong [TS]

  or vice versa so there are nuances on [TS]

  both sides of this uh I I think the [TS]

  people who asked me like what do you [TS]

  think about this issue or whatever [TS]

  my best answer to it is a blog post that [TS]

  I wrote on my blog that never gets [TS]

  posted too but I wrote this blog post [TS]

  many months before the dick balls [TS]

  controversy erupted right when I read it [TS]

  I'm like I must have written this [TS]

  afterwards because this must have been [TS]

  like my way of like responding to the [TS]

  dick bolts thing without addressing a [TS]

  director but then it looked at the dates [TS]

  I'm like no this was months before the [TS]

  dick bulbs thing but i think it is [TS]

  entirely relevant and related so if you [TS]

  want to see sort of a somewhat oblique [TS]

  answer to this entire controversy or [TS]

  where I've come down on it you can read [TS]

  this post it's called no movie for Old [TS]

  Men it's at my hypercritical co website [TS]

  which was previously siracusa tumblr com [TS]

  the ball three direct to each other and [TS]

  that will give you an answer to the [TS]

  question of what do you think of that [TS]

  big controversy I'd like I said I don't [TS]

  want to talk about it because it's not [TS]

  it's a type of thing we're both you know [TS]

  I don't I say both sides are equally [TS]

  wrong about such weekly earth is there [TS]

  not there is there is an imbalance [TS]

  they're out here here's my summer who [TS]

  people wanting or something i think the [TS]

  penny arcade guys are well-intentioned [TS]

  but did some very that reacted very [TS]

  poorly again that's what talking about [TS]

  you know saying what they did and what [TS]

  that versus what they are i don't think [TS]

  they are any kind of horrible human [TS]

  beings i think all their motivations are [TS]

  good but i think a lot of their actions [TS]

  were not good and on the other side i [TS]

  think there was a lack of understanding [TS]

  about you know why the penny arcade guys [TS]

  had such bad reactions because again not [TS]

  not understanding to excuse it but [TS]

  understanding because if you understand [TS]

  why it is that they're acting that way [TS]

  you're better able to help them also [TS]

  their behavior versus just trying to [TS]

  condemn them so it was just a bad [TS]

  situation all around and there were no [TS]

  winners in this and you can read all [TS]

  about it if you want i know they didn't [TS]

  explain it to you Dan but you're [TS]

  actually interested if you I will have [TS]

  to research that's all right you will [TS]

  get it and so this is this is how wimpy [TS]

  Amma on the strobe is I don't think like [TS]

  you know the reason i picked up the [TS]

  softball topic last time is cousinly you [TS]

  know it needs to be talked about and a [TS]

  part of it was because i think it [TS]

  shouldn't be such a softball and i [TS]

  couldn't stand seeing this debate around [TS]

  it because it's like this is cut and [TS]

  dried you know simple no real [TS]

  controversy we should be clear on this [TS]

  fake geek girl think it's ridiculous and [TS]

  that i was totally willing to take a [TS]

  stand on because it's sort of you know [TS]

  criticism of geek culture which is [TS]

  podcast is about the nuanced issues I [TS]

  would rather have people sort out on [TS]

  their own and not try to come down with [TS]

  like nope this is the way it is on that [TS]

  particular sorry if you're disappointed [TS]

  by that but this is in the end not worth [TS]

  a podcast about it's a podcast about [TS]

  whatever you want it to be about I know [TS]

  but this is what I wanted to be about [TS]

  all right so another link that a bunch [TS]

  of people sent me that I thought was [TS]

  interesting this one I think was the [TS]

  first person to send it to me and I'm [TS]

  reading his name because he provided a [TS]

  pronunciation yay uh Cameron higbee nay [TS]

  can or nay can the can yeah it is [TS]

  entitled five geek social fallacies it [TS]

  is by Michael Oh another guy with a [TS]

  hyphenated last name Suliban Wilson [TS]

  maybe it is from 2003 so ancient in [TS]

  internet time yet I had never seen it [TS]

  before today and the social fallacy is [TS]

  there they're abbreviated in the article [TS]

  GSF number one two three four five segi [TS]

  social fallacy number one geek social [TS]

  policy number one I think is the most [TS]

  relevant to the previous discussion [TS]

  here's the definition from the article [TS]

  in its pathological form GSF one [TS]

  prevents its carrier from participating [TS]

  in or tolerating the exclusion of anyone [TS]

  from anything be at a party comic book [TS]

  store or web forum no matter how [TS]

  obnoxious offensive or aromatic the [TS]

  perspective excluding may be so this is [TS]

  kind of like recognized GSF one is this [TS]

  you know the fallacy that all ostracized [TS]

  or evil in that if you exclude anyone [TS]

  from anything it's terrible and I think [TS]

  people were sending this link because as [TS]

  a reaction to me saying that geek [TS]

  culture is at its best as a [TS]

  judgment-free zone and supposed to be [TS]

  inclusive you shouldn't be excluding [TS]

  other people uh I don't think that the [TS]

  points in this thing and the point [TS]

  amount of the fat show are opposed at [TS]

  all because there's quite a range [TS]

  between being best friends with somebody [TS]

  and being actively hostile to them and [TS]

  denying them the right to even [TS]

  self-identify as the thing that you [TS]

  identify at right that's what I was [TS]

  railing against you can't tell someone [TS]

  they can't call themselves a geek or are [TS]

  faking or just a terrible person right [TS]

  that's that's what you can't do it [TS]

  doesn't mean you have to be their best [TS]

  friend and hang out with them every day [TS]

  like there's no and so this this geek [TS]

  social fallacy [TS]

  number one thing is like not only can [TS]

  you not be a terrible person to them and [TS]

  deny them their own basic rights of [TS]

  self-identification and say they don't [TS]

  they can't possibly belong to your group [TS]

  but you have to like invite them to all [TS]

  your birthday parties and that's totally [TS]

  not what I'm saying like this huge range [TS]

  all I'm saying is don't be a terrible [TS]

  person to other people and don't deny [TS]

  them their basic rights but it doesn't [TS]

  mean you must there you know like I can [TS]

  imagine maybe this metastasizes in like [TS]

  you know the the best parts of geek [TS]

  culture of like being close and [TS]

  everything you know it extends like no [TS]

  not only do you have to be inclusive but [TS]

  everybody has to be friends with [TS]

  everybody I mean that I think that's [TS]

  ridiculous and I guess that's why it's a [TS]

  social fallacy but apparently this does [TS]

  happen like reading through this geek [TS]

  social fallacy things I'll read off the [TS]

  title son they've got social policies [TS]

  number one through five so one is [TS]

  ostracized or evil to as friends accept [TS]

  me as I am three is friendship before [TS]

  all for his friendship is transitive [TS]

  meaning if I'm friends with you and I'm [TS]

  friends with him than you and him should [TS]

  be friends and five is friends do [TS]

  everything together and if you read [TS]

  these geek social fallacies they did [TS]

  none of them really rang true to me [TS]

  because I guess none of my circles or [TS]

  friends behave like this but i have seen [TS]

  at a distance groups that appeared to [TS]

  behave this way so i totally believe [TS]

  that these are rooted in something this [TS]

  is more like a sort of self-help thing [TS]

  for like how to better interact with [TS]

  other people successfully aimed at geeks [TS]

  emphasizing the things that geeks may [TS]

  you know because i guess it could happen [TS]

  like you go too far in the other [TS]

  direction and try to be accepting to [TS]

  everybody and that extends to like [TS]

  inviting everybody for your birthday [TS]

  party and just becomes a disaster they [TS]

  also talk about why fyp which is your [TS]

  feelings your problem and i think i may [TS]

  have that one a little bit more than [TS]

  other people I think it'll small dose of [TS]

  that is a is healthy actually but uh and [TS]

  then why have YP carriers deal with [TS]

  other people's fallacies by ignoring [TS]

  them entirely in the process require a [TS]

  reputation for being charmless lee tact [TS]

  tactless yeah that's probably me so [TS]

  anyway read the article maybe if you if [TS]

  you can identify the things in it maybe [TS]

  it can help you but i think it is not in [TS]

  opposition to anything I said last time [TS]

  and if people misinterpreted what I was [TS]

  saying as you have to be best friends [TS]

  with everybody in the world that was [TS]

  definitely not it [TS]

  alright it's okay to not like everyone [TS]

  right you just just can't be a jerk I [TS]

  just don't be a jerk about it no why [TS]

  exactly you know that's what being X [TS]

  onto each other means it doesn't mean [TS]

  being best friends with everybody [TS]

  doesn't mean you have to hang out with [TS]

  everybody and talk everybody but [TS]

  everything it just means like you can't [TS]

  go up and say I hate you and everything [TS]

  you say about yourself is false and I [TS]

  deny the reality of any of your feelings [TS]

  or interests that's a big range there [TS]

  you know don't do that but you know [TS]

  alright and finally this this last put a [TS]

  piece of geek culture feedback is more [TS]

  like an extension of last show and it's [TS]

  very succinct so I'm just gonna read it [TS]

  all off this is from John last name [TS]

  withheld uh he says is he related [TS]

  together last name withheld guy that's [TS]

  that's an in joke that you don't need to [TS]

  get it did I ever do that before maybe [TS]

  I'm repeating myself I probably did [TS]

  alright so he says in his screed Tony [TS]

  Harrison mostly concerned with [TS]

  establishing that female cosplayers have [TS]

  no power over him sexually this under [TS]

  scares underscore is a male anxiety that [TS]

  isn't only a nerd concern but may be [TS]

  particularly troubling to nerds one of [TS]

  the traits of masculinity is supposed to [TS]

  be in vulnerability or a move ability [TS]

  but truth to tell male sexual response [TS]

  it's mostly involuntary ass like [TS]

  excitement comes when it comes in pop [TS]

  culture there's a myth of the swab [TS]

  dispassionate man who could take sexual [TS]

  pleasure on his own terms but is in no [TS]

  way under the thrall of women characters [TS]

  like James Bond can remain unmoved by [TS]

  the women throw themselves at an [TS]

  interesting article about how this plays [TS]

  out in the works of Raymond Chandler is [TS]

  here and you know in typical it snob [TS]

  fashion he gives me the link to this [TS]

  Raymond Chandler thing maybe that's not [TS]

  a little snob thing maybe that's just a [TS]

  literary person thing but anyway I put [TS]

  the link in the show notes you want to [TS]

  read about how that works in Raymond [TS]

  Chandler novels for nerds who are [TS]

  regularly accused of being less than men [TS]

  the desire to present an impervious [TS]

  front is strong so think this is a you [TS]

  know again i'm not sure i said here's [TS]

  one explanation or cause of misogyny [TS]

  here is another one the idea that [TS]

  masculinity is shown to be unmoved by [TS]

  things and yet men you know inevitably [TS]

  are heterosexual men and Everly are [TS]

  moved by things that they find sexually [TS]

  attractive and you're supposed to not be [TS]

  right and so [TS]

  just massaging is manifesting itself is [TS]

  trying to fight against that and say you [TS]

  you don't have power over me sexually [TS]

  revolting against these feelings that [TS]

  are inside themselves about you know the [TS]

  control that these females seem to have [TS]

  so I thought that was a good explanation [TS]

  and he has another bit at the end here [TS]

  the one thing the Harrison too many [TS]

  other men also assume is that women are [TS]

  on display for the benefit of men those [TS]

  who cosplay do it for a variety of you [TS]

  reasons unique to themselves including [TS]

  interest in the character is the [TS]

  challenge of the craft the community [TS]

  self-expression some may be involved in [TS]

  sexualizing display but it's wrong to [TS]

  assume that even these are doing it for [TS]

  your pleasure or notice the fallacy is [TS]

  that if you read someone's outfit and [TS]

  this includes regular clothes as well as [TS]

  dress-up clothes a sexually provocative [TS]

  that the wearer had you in mind when she [TS]

  chose it all all very true all one of [TS]

  the you know many many more reasons for [TS]

  misogyny I picked up I thought that was [TS]

  the biggest gimme this is probably like [TS]

  second or third place ah so thanks John [TS]

  for that feedback the whole article that [TS]

  i almost put in here from crack calms [TS]

  you know cracked com no I can't I [TS]

  couldn't tell I thought crack on was a [TS]

  humor website as article was like it was [TS]

  about similar topics like you know how [TS]

  men are trained to hate women by modern [TS]

  society or something like that and like [TS]

  it says if it's a humorous site there [TS]

  would be more jokes but it was a serious [TS]

  site it would be less crude and [TS]

  offensive so I couldn't decide and I [TS]

  just didn't put the link in so if you [TS]

  want to look that up you can't yourself [TS]

  I didn't the guard achill was that great [TS]

  but tried to make some of these similar [TS]

  points mixed in with a bunch of terrible [TS]

  points all right I think that's it for [TS]

  the follow-up okay sponsor time yeah [TS]

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  name check them out if you like them [TS]

  I'll give you ten percent off code is [TS]

  Dan sent me they don't nickel and dime [TS]

  you with stuff that's the theme for the [TS]

  day for my sponsors today you go there [TS]

  you register calm down or whatever I [TS]

  like the dot CEO that TV they've got [TS]

  most of them not all of them they make [TS]

  it really simple little search box type [TS]

  in the domain name that you want they'll [TS]

  show you if it's available if it's [TS]

  available for purchase from like [TS]

  somebody else who's selling it they'll [TS]

  show you that too if it's available for [TS]

  auction they'll show you that too [TS]

  if you want to transfer domain from [TS]

  somewhere else which is what I'm doing [TS]

  pretty much all of my domains they make [TS]

  it really easy they have this thing [TS]

  called domain transfer valet where they [TS]

  do the whole process for you which is [TS]

  really great they don't charge for that [TS]

  just like they don't charge for who is [TS]

  privacy they also have email hosting [TS]

  they do charge for that if you want it [TS]

  there are tons and tons of really really [TS]

  great services I mean they put their [TS]

  toll free number right on the front page [TS]

  and they've gotta know hold policy you [TS]

  just pick up the phone and you call them [TS]

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  they also have built-in dns management [TS]

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  code dan sent me you get the ten percent [TS]

  off so go check them out thanks very [TS]

  very much toddler for making this show [TS]

  possible it's a time for the questions [TS]

  and answer section it's time for the [TS]

  queues and possibly the A's depending on [TS]

  what the queues are these kinds of [TS]

  questions that are collected right here [TS]

  you have for the record you have not [TS]

  seen well you maybe you've seen them [TS]

  because I asked on Twitter and you could [TS]

  have been following along but you [TS]

  messaged me early on and you said I hope [TS]

  you're collecting these questions [TS]

  because I'm not and I said I am and so [TS]

  here are the questions and these are [TS]

  these are things that vary dramatically [TS]

  everything from specific programming [TS]

  questions all the way to very broad [TS]

  things but i'll start with this one [TS]

  actually before you start okay they want [TS]

  the people in the chat room to know that [TS]

  yes you can still ask questions or [TS]

  follow ups in the chat room the whole [TS]

  point is it's not like you know it's not [TS]

  like dan has the preset list of [TS]

  questions and no more questions come in [TS]

  if something flies by in the chat room [TS]

  we think it's interesting we'll grab it [TS]

  if it's a follow-up for something I'm [TS]

  talking about it's the Wild West there [TS]

  is no system there is no queue you do [TS]

  not take a number you're you are at the [TS]

  mercy of Dan and Haddie in me all right [TS]

  patty watch a chat Ruben if you see [TS]

  something good grab it okay she says she [TS]

  will and by the way my first answer is [TS]

  that my first name has an agent [TS]

  just the people out there how do you [TS]

  spell your name joh this question see I [TS]

  did get some of mine and this question [TS]

  asked is from Bradley chambers and he [TS]

  says what was John's favorite episode of [TS]

  hypercritical and as a second part part [TS]

  2 what podcasts does John listen to i'm [TS]

  gonna give the standard a child favorite [TS]

  answer to the podcast question do you [TS]

  know what that answer is him uh all of [TS]

  them Oh like I can't worth lookin I how [TS]

  can i pick my favorites like picking [TS]

  your favorite child um i don't know i [TS]

  don't i really don't know i could never [TS]

  pick a number one favorite I like kind [TS]

  of the same episodes and most people [TS]

  like you know uh I like the like toaster [TS]

  episode like Steve Jobs episode I like [TS]

  the Mac os10 follow-up episodes okay I [TS]

  let me like all the popular ones i have [TS]

  no favorite let me riff off that one [TS]

  which hypercritical episode do you think [TS]

  is the best representation of [TS]

  hypercritical oh that's tough because [TS]

  like there are ones that that stick to [TS]

  the format the closest but they're not [TS]

  necessarily the best my main problem is [TS]

  as always that I am an old person and [TS]

  can't remember anything I can barely [TS]

  remember those I can barely remember the [TS]

  vodkas like sometimes they only come up [TS]

  like oh I wait a second didn't we do a [TS]

  show about right that's that's how you [TS]

  know you're getting old when you're you [TS]

  you can be reminded about something that [TS]

  you yourself have done oh you're not [TS]

  that long ago it happens all the time I [TS]

  think it really depends on your interest [TS]

  because the the problem is I think a lot [TS]

  of the episodes are like I come out and [TS]

  I golike that was exactly what I wanted [TS]

  to do but if no one is interested in [TS]

  that topic it you know people go all [TS]

  that episode stunk like but it raised if [TS]

  you happen to be really into model [TS]

  trains and I happen to do half of a show [TS]

  about model trains like a good example [TS]

  is the video game controller episode if [TS]

  you don't care about video games or [TS]

  controllers those that show is like [TS]

  death right but if you really care about [TS]

  video games of control is like oh that's [TS]

  my favorite one right so maybe that's [TS]

  the most quintessential episode fix it [TS]

  so polarizing because where I really got [TS]

  uh you know down and detailed into a [TS]

  topic that I but think about just [TS]

  reflect if you will on the the Steve [TS]

  Jobs autobuyer [TS]

  auto the Steve Jobs biography book when [TS]

  you talked about that to me to me that [TS]

  one or maybe the toaster episode are as [TS]

  you would say textbook or quintessential [TS]

  hypercritical that I feel like if [TS]

  somebody could listen to either of those [TS]

  episodes maybe it's the toaster not yeah [TS]

  like if you can listen that toaster [TS]

  episode if you enjoy that you're gonna [TS]

  you you get it you totally get it and [TS]

  you're gonna yeah I was things like you [TS]

  know it really depends on if you can [TS]

  relate to you know I got all excited [TS]

  about these topics that I'm interested [TS]

  in you have to be able to to a maybe [TS]

  you're not excited about toaster there's [TS]

  gotta be something in your life that [TS]

  makes you feel that way and if you're [TS]

  just a laid back kind of person doesn't [TS]

  care about the stuff and just sounds [TS]

  like complaining all right so so i don't [TS]

  know i don't have a good answer to that [TS]

  one either there's gonna be a theme of [TS]

  both diseases that I you don't have [TS]

  answers or don't have a good answer well [TS]

  and to continue this eric price asks [TS]

  what are some of the topics you'd [TS]

  planned to discussed but had I not [TS]

  actually we skipped over the second part [TS]

  of that question oh I remember that far [TS]

  back in my history it was the blonde [TS]

  also know the other podcasts that I [TS]

  listened to a lot of people asked this [TS]

  all the time i was thinking of there's [TS]

  nothing i have to do is on the fly show [TS]

  notes or keep track of what need to put [TS]

  in the show it said the blister podcast [TS]

  i listened to is not better shattering [TS]

  like at various times I've listened to [TS]

  almost all the five by five shows [TS]

  there's just too many of them and I [TS]

  can't fit them all in so I've pared it [TS]

  down I mean rattle off every single five [TS]

  by five shove it listen to Marco shell [TS]

  it's back to work you know I was [TS]

  amplified when I have a chance which is [TS]

  rare these days I listen to all the [TS]

  incomparable zuv course periodically [TS]

  I'll listen to they are the shows the [TS]

  topics grab me but like you know [TS]

  basically go through anything by five by [TS]

  five if you see a show that's on the [TS]

  topic you think you like then listen to [TS]

  it so I endorse all those the ones that [TS]

  everyone listens to everyone I don't [TS]

  know fresh air all things considered not [TS]

  all things considered fresh air what's [TS]

  the other one hour glass This American [TS]

  Life yes this American what I mean you [TS]

  know is that our shattering you know [TS]

  radiolab things a little bit of radiolab [TS]

  like the number of subscriptions in my [TS]

  podcast section and itunes is huge like [TS]

  that there's no way i can listen ma [TS]

  I think it's like over a hundred right [TS]

  and I just pick and choose what I'm in [TS]

  the mood for anthro Mon that you look [TS]

  nice today I listen to a Roderick on the [TS]

  line is a great one maybe these like [TS]

  those are like the lesser-known maybe [TS]

  like if you if you like back to work but [TS]

  don't listen to the you look nice today [TS]

  erotic online you should Planet Money [TS]

  the talk show like people i'm just [TS]

  reading stuff off the people right in [TS]

  the chat room geek Friday Creek Friday [TS]

  actually do listen to pretty regularly [TS]

  not our showering the ones that the few [TS]

  gems i think i have that at points that [TS]

  i've said before is one if you don't [TS]

  listen to the flophouse you should which [TS]

  is a podcast where they listen they [TS]

  watch bad movies and complain about them [TS]

  and you can understand why that might [TS]

  appeal to me and not just because my [TS]

  friend's brother is part of the show and [TS]

  the other podcast i listen to let's just [TS]

  started is danna tech podcast which i [TS]

  think is great in-depth nerdy stuff i'll [TS]

  since it wasn't core intuition guy [TS]

  English's couple of shows he's got one [TS]

  called ad hoc where a bunch of people [TS]

  talk about stuff he's got one called [TS]

  debug where he talks to developers edge [TS]

  cases with wool french so many podcasts [TS]

  I'm like I'm not gonna lead down my I [TS]

  read now imagine things but those those [TS]

  are my suggestions for rarities mi nah [TS]

  know about Roderick on the line the [TS]

  flophouse on the anima tech podcast you [TS]

  may not have heard of made up into and [TS]

  if you listen to the show you might like [TS]

  them so there you go alright then you [TS]

  were gonna continue with the next [TS]

  question yeah I'm kind of related to [TS]

  that one Eric price what are some of the [TS]

  topics you'd planned to discussed but [TS]

  haven't gotten to before ending show [TS]

  none like I said in the previous show I [TS]

  had a list of topics I got to all them [TS]

  and you know and then some there's [TS]

  nothing on my original list that I did [TS]

  not get to talk about all right I'm [TS]

  looking at some I'm trying to decide [TS]

  where we can take this let's see someone [TS]

  said the flophouse Sun solar Howard this [TS]

  game made no accept no substitutes the [TS]

  flop house is the one the only the [TS]

  original as far as I'm concerned ah the [TS]

  best bed movie podcast don't listen to [TS]

  the how did this get made don't listen [TS]

  to those other ones you want the flop [TS]

  ass and by the way the flop house is one [TS]

  of those shows kind of like [TS]

  hypercritical where you have to actually [TS]

  listen from the beginning it's been off [TS]

  like five years you're gonna feel like I [TS]

  know listen I'm gonna go back five years [TS]

  and listen to this stuff uh yeah that's [TS]

  the only way [TS]

  works it's the only way work you gotta [TS]

  go back five years and you gotta plow [TS]

  through min order and then finally you [TS]

  can appreciate the current episode it's [TS]

  worth it okay all right um PES pengelley [TS]

  asks what your top 5 video favorite [TS]

  video games are of all time and if they [TS]

  are still you know if they still hold up [TS]

  if there's something we should play or [TS]

  if they're just you know memories and [TS]

  things that you have that you enjoy yeah [TS]

  if I had to pick my top five I would not [TS]

  pick based on like memories you know [TS]

  like I'll enjoyed playing load runners [TS]

  kid or whatever huh I would pick based [TS]

  on what I think the quality the games [TS]

  are today I'm like I'm so this way this [TS]

  would not exclude modern era consoles [TS]

  this would because we had a question [TS]

  from Alan Starnes who said what about [TS]

  that if you were to exclude modern era [TS]

  consoles well I don't I don't think you [TS]

  need to answer I say just just [TS]

  everything that's available to you know [TS]

  that could have been played or whatever [TS]

  i'm gonna go with like ocarina of time [TS]

  Mary 64 a shadow of the colossus eco [TS]

  journey like this just off the top of my [TS]

  head no no ordering implied there that's [TS]

  that's an easy top 5 to pull out maybe [TS]

  I'm forgetting some in there but that's [TS]

  that's an easy top 5 and some of those [TS]

  are current generation some of them are [TS]

  not like did you can t go and shadow the [TS]

  Colossus as current generation because [TS]

  they have ps3 ports there were both [TS]

  original ps2 games that's where I [TS]

  originally played oh yeah those are [TS]

  that's that's a short list and it's not [TS]

  an odd particularly shocking shortlist [TS]

  if you listen to the show because I [TS]

  talked about all those games constantly [TS]

  my next appliance when is the person's [TS]

  name what is it my next appliance these [TS]

  are all that Twitter handles my next I [TS]

  know I know what was John's first tech [TS]

  device and how did you fall in love with [TS]

  tech so I don't know how would you [TS]

  define tech device is does that include [TS]

  mahut inclined plane I don't yeah I [TS]

  don't want smoke ounces technology I [TS]

  don't know maybe that's part of the [TS]

  question is but bundled into the [TS]

  question is how they probably an [TS]

  electronic I think they do I think they [TS]

  mean like wiz itted you know was it a [TS]

  calculator trying to find I think of [TS]

  what I signed to her calculator I think [TS]

  the vic-20 was the first song is like [TS]

  I'm trying to think of remember that [TS]

  football game yes [TS]

  the red lights yes pick 20 before the [TS]

  little football grit know that little [TS]

  football game was out way before I know [TS]

  it doesn't mean I had it Oh probably my [TS]

  mother would have never bought me that [TS]

  football game so I probably like got it [TS]

  from a friend once it was too old to be [TS]

  interesting or something but i think the [TS]

  vic-20 was the first thing that captured [TS]

  my attention that was clearly a piece of [TS]

  technology and what was the second part [TS]

  of that question second part of the [TS]

  question was how did you fall in love [TS]

  with tech yeah I think it all took was [TS]

  the vic-20 like that you could hook [TS]

  something up to your television and you [TS]

  could press buttons on it and things [TS]

  would appear in your television because [TS]

  up to that point in my life the [TS]

  television was merely something that's [TS]

  sent out information but now I could do [TS]

  things that would show up on the [TS]

  television it was mad you controlled the [TS]

  television it's like it's you know your [TS]

  life is defined by like what the [TS]

  television is no Sesame Street and [TS]

  Muppet Show wherever you know it's like [TS]

  this amazing box word entertainment [TS]

  comes out and like and it totally flips [TS]

  it like guess what no now you can put [TS]

  stuff in there's like no way you know [TS]

  people don't understand how crazy that [TS]

  was but i think i think it really was [TS]

  key that the thing you hooked it up to [TS]

  was a television like it didn't come [TS]

  with a monitor wasn't like you know [TS]

  modern computer i think that really [TS]

  really was key you know it sounds like [TS]

  oh that was just this weird transitional [TS]

  phase but they didn't have monitors and [TS]

  you know they were decided the computer [TS]

  but it was important that you were using [TS]

  your television as the monitor because [TS]

  it was subverting an existing sort of [TS]

  relationship that you had with a piece [TS]

  of technology in your house Stephen [TS]

  Skeldon if you were offered your choice [TS]

  of any job within the Apple hierarchy [TS]

  what role would you pick and why yeah [TS]

  there's only one job that I am qualified [TS]

  for at Apple which is Steve Jobs his old [TS]

  job which is the job where you tell [TS]

  everybody else what to do that's right [TS]

  and you know and that there's not an [TS]

  opening for that job because they're [TS]

  really my only qualification is I have [TS]

  strong opinions about things and that's [TS]

  probably true of a lot of people like [TS]

  you know I don't I'm not an objective C [TS]

  programmer I don't do user interface [TS]

  design i'm not an electrical engineer [TS]

  like I'm useless to the organization in [TS]

  any capacity except that one position [TS]

  where you tell everybody else what to do [TS]

  and rule with an iron fist I'm not [TS]

  saying I would do a good job but that is [TS]

  the only position i can imagine taking [TS]

  it the company other people ask me [TS]

  that's actually one of the questions [TS]

  yeah have you ever considered working an [TS]

  apple uh not really because the first [TS]

  thing is that they tend to want their [TS]

  employees to be in California and I [TS]

  don't want to move to California like I [TS]

  said in the past show a lot of who's [TS]

  able to hire who has to do with where [TS]

  people live and if they wanted me to be [TS]

  in California now I want to live in [TS]

  california well that's the end of that [TS]

  right right and the second is that from [TS]

  everything I've heard from people who [TS]

  work inside Apple it's not as glamorous [TS]

  as you might think it's you know it's a [TS]

  corporate stooge job the corporation may [TS]

  be a corporation that makes great [TS]

  products but it's a corporation and you [TS]

  got bosses and middle management and all [TS]

  the same things that happen in any other [TS]

  company and yeah it's great because you [TS]

  get to work on really cool things and if [TS]

  you happen to be in the right group you [TS]

  can do some really great work and change [TS]

  the world and blah blah blah uh but you [TS]

  know it's it's just another job right [TS]

  like unless you're a guy in charge or [TS]

  something really influence stuff I'm not [TS]

  sure you know ok so this ties in [TS]

  perfectly with alex chance question Tim [TS]

  Cook resins tomorrow and appoints you as [TS]

  a successor what is the first thing you [TS]

  change at apple the first thing because [TS]

  it's the easiest gimme is it's difficult [TS]

  to know because like what what gimme [TS]

  yeah I'm gonna say something but the [TS]

  question is what would you change and [TS]

  that implies that you know everything [TS]

  that Apple is currently doing and we [TS]

  don't obviously it's secret so if I go [TS]

  in there and if only thing I knew if [TS]

  only things that Apple was doing with [TS]

  things i know about now the first thing [TS]

  i would do would be to start a project [TS]

  to make a new file says now maybe [TS]

  already they already have a project to [TS]

  make a new file system maybe that's [TS]

  going to be come out next week I don't [TS]

  know but like from the outside like [TS]

  that's that's the easiest gimme change [TS]

  because they desperately need a new file [TS]

  system they've needed it was such a long [TS]

  time it's such a key component and [TS]

  everything that they do and it's only [TS]

  going to become more important over time [TS]

  you just cannot have your data on a file [TS]

  system that has no idea whether your [TS]

  data is correct or not in the routinely [TS]

  karups itself it's boring its technical [TS]

  it's like oh you're missing the big [TS]

  picture blah blah but like it's just a [TS]

  gimme day one you go and do that the [TS]

  reverse of that the very difficult [TS]

  project is that I would go about trying [TS]

  to change the company to make it more [TS]

  focused on server-side culture if you [TS]

  listen to hyper critical for the past [TS]

  couple years you know I keep harping on [TS]

  this but it's totally true that the way [TS]

  which apple is not like Google in terms [TS]

  of the focus on the server side hardware [TS]

  and software it should I think it should [TS]

  be more like them that regard doesn't [TS]

  mean you need to take away any of the [TS]

  good things that Apple does doesn't mean [TS]

  you have to oh you got to make them like [TS]

  Google make them bad at all no they stay [TS]

  good at the stuff they're good at but [TS]

  try to also foster you know maybe it's [TS]

  like a part of the company a section of [TS]

  the company you just add to the culture [TS]

  that be the kind of culture that makes [TS]

  you you know write your own [TS]

  infrastructure components like you know [TS]

  the Google file system or a big table or [TS]

  spanner or the apple or Amazon Web [TS]

  Services and easy to like that needs to [TS]

  go into Apple that kind of culture and [TS]

  idea and expertise that needs to happen [TS]

  so that would be my my you know so [TS]

  there's two two changes one is the [TS]

  little tiny one about the file system [TS]

  and the other one is big giant company [TS]

  wide sweeping philosophical and both of [TS]

  those probably sound like terrible [TS]

  answers because like I said people think [TS]

  that the little one about the file [TS]

  system is unimportant and it's missing [TS]

  to the forest of the trees and people [TS]

  think the other one is gonna turn up [TS]

  went to Google and make them bad at all [TS]

  the stuff that they're good at and I [TS]

  would try to avoid that okay so this is [TS]

  a kind of addressing Glen Gray's [TS]

  question where he says aside from the [TS]

  HFS plus file system replacement what [TS]

  technology do you think Mac OS 10 or OS [TS]

  10 as you say is sorely missing at this [TS]

  point uh well I'm already harped on the [TS]

  language and API issue with Objective C [TS]

  I don't think you can keep going on [TS]

  forever altering objective-c I like to [TS]

  see a better language that I'm not sure [TS]

  if that would count as an operating [TS]

  system feature what I would focus on i [TS]

  think that there's been a lack of really [TS]

  interesting stuff going on in the kernel [TS]

  space i was just talking earlier today [TS]

  about like when you have an OS update [TS]

  remember when they used to give you an [TS]

  OS update and like many many versions [TS]

  ago mac OS 10 and it would say this this [TS]

  update requires a restart and you just [TS]

  click the button they would do the [TS]

  install and then install i would say [TS]

  okay i've applied the you know 10-point [TS]

  4.3 update click this button to restart [TS]

  and then you just leave the dialog up on [TS]

  your on your computer keep working yeah [TS]

  which is terrible i can it's updating [TS]

  operating system while you're using it [TS]

  and then some the new policy is that [TS]

  they they don't let you they say okay [TS]

  this this up [TS]

  requires a restart [TS]

  requires a restart [TS]

  and you have to just immediately log out [TS]

  all the apps quit and then it does [TS]

  download you know it installs the [TS]

  installer or downloads it while you're [TS]

  working but then it does the Installer [TS]

  when you're not working right so the [TS]

  idea of you know this requires kernel [TS]

  space change of the hardware changes and [TS]

  everything with the idea of a system [TS]

  that is more robust kind of more like [TS]

  mainframes where you can like do things [TS]

  on the fly without restarting restarting [TS]

  the system I completely replace the [TS]

  kernel or swap out CPUs and all these [TS]

  crazy mainframe features that people who [TS]

  are inter mainframe computers know about [TS]

  and say this is why mainframes are still [TS]

  relevant because you know i can replace [TS]

  the cpu without stopping any [TS]

  transactions on this machine that runs [TS]

  this banking system or whatever those [TS]

  type of features hardware that hardware [TS]

  and software combined operating system [TS]

  that it sort of works with the hardware [TS]

  in a symbiosis type relationship where [TS]

  you can you know modify upgrade recover [TS]

  and inspect these things you know in [TS]

  real time without restarting without any [TS]

  sort of these barbaric things that we [TS]

  have to do now and this is an example of [TS]

  people can sell that's crazy yeah maybe [TS]

  you need that for name frames that are [TS]

  running banking systems in the stock [TS]

  market stuff you don't need that a [TS]

  personal computers but this is how [TS]

  technology works crazy features happen [TS]

  on out on mainframes first like virtual [TS]

  memory who that is going to need that [TS]

  right and then it trickles down and this [TS]

  is the the next thing I think they need [TS]

  to trickle down especially as our [TS]

  electronics are becoming more like [TS]

  appliances that we sort of have the [TS]

  technology and know-how to do a lot of [TS]

  these things but so far not the will to [TS]

  say I'm going to make a new thing it [TS]

  rejects the old way that says no you [TS]

  don't have to restart when we when we [TS]

  give you an update to the kernel or some [TS]

  other part of the operating system in [TS]

  fact you can do everything on the fly [TS]

  there is nothing that requires you to [TS]

  stop everything you're doing turn [TS]

  everything off dump all the contents of [TS]

  memory and restart so that kind of that [TS]

  kind of ambition to bring a mainframe [TS]

  level robust lyst robustness two things [TS]

  the size of a wristwatch or phone and I [TS]

  think that requires core operating [TS]

  system changes and some more exciting [TS]

  advancements there instead of just like [TS]

  adding slightly more finer grain locking [TS]

  or transactional memory to the unified [TS]

  buffer cache or whatever all right let's [TS]

  do another sponsor prop in Co you ever [TS]

  tried one of these well I don't know [TS]

  prop and go I want to try a nice eve [TS]

  again we need to get one of them sent [TS]

  because this is what it is it's like [TS]

  you've seen these laptop things you put [TS]

  on your lap right that have like the [TS]

  soft like memory foam thing on the [TS]

  bottom and then it props that's what [TS]

  this is for the iPad you can use with an [TS]

  ipad mini you could use it with a you [TS]

  know full-size iPad you zag you could [TS]

  use it with your nexus 10 if you wanted [TS]

  but it's perfect if you watch movies and [TS]

  bad or play games in the couch and just [TS]

  don't want to sit there trying to hold [TS]

  something like precariously balancing it [TS]

  it's perfect for this works anywhere we [TS]

  use a lot of the time we'll just put it [TS]

  right here I'll put it right here on the [TS]

  desk slide that thing around this is [TS]

  really security it works with a case of [TS]

  a case on your device that's fine just [TS]

  put the device down you're done I have [TS]

  an ipad mini with no case it works [TS]

  perfect even if we go into the head how [TS]

  do you say this otterbox can you say [TS]

  that John otterbox like the other [TS]

  animals otters yeah autobox any tablet [TS]

  in or out of the case it works it works [TS]

  just fine we're gonna get one of these [TS]

  sent to jail okay we're gonna get you [TS]

  one you get a seven how do they come up [TS]

  with a seventeen percent discount I've [TS]

  still don't understand line you get a [TS]

  prop and go PR 0 pn go prop and go com [TS]

  seventeen percent off your order using [TS]

  code dan sent me you can also buy it [TS]

  right from amazon these things are [TS]

  really cool adjustable any angle you [TS]

  want prop and go calm all right more [TS]

  questions for you there's a lot of these [TS]

  boy there's a lot prop and go doesn't [TS]

  just work with ipads i look at their [TS]

  website they have like Kindles and stuff [TS]

  on to works with the at works with any [TS]

  any tablet device thing you can prop [TS]

  anything that is probable alright here's [TS]

  a neat one jumping around see Franco [TS]

  Carlos Franco if John could interview [TS]

  one person alive now and ask one [TS]

  question who would it be and what would [TS]

  he ask that's a tough one you already [TS]

  had that one question with with gabe [TS]

  newell you already had the chance i [TS]

  figured that you already did that but [TS]

  maybe the second person alive now i [TS]

  would probably take jonathan coulton and [TS]

  i declined to tell you what [TS]

  question would be because who knows [TS]

  someday and I get to ask it to him I [TS]

  didn't want to pre think about the [TS]

  question as a surprise for this show we [TS]

  had Jonathan flown in right right and [TS]

  he's right here no I'm just kidding uh I [TS]

  mean I don't know like that's probably [TS]

  my pic but that's like totally a [TS]

  personal pic because that wouldn't be an [TS]

  interview and be doing it for the [TS]

  benefit of mankind because this would be [TS]

  in conversation the world is not lacking [TS]

  in Jonathan Coulton interviews let's say [TS]

  it's not like I'm breaking new ground [TS]

  but I'm a big fan and I think it would [TS]

  be cool maybe bono I don't know maybe [TS]

  I'd throw that well maybe bono Don [TS]

  McDonald old McDonald as we call him [TS]

  asks if you still draw and if not if you [TS]

  ever thought about taking it up again [TS]

  and if yes have you ever posted or [TS]

  published any of your drawings I don't [TS]

  really draw others like doodling and [TS]

  stuff like you know but it you don't get [TS]

  much time to duel anymore in this modern [TS]

  computer age remember how much you [TS]

  everyone used to doodle like in school [TS]

  because we've got like you're bored and [TS]

  you've got a pencil and you've got paper [TS]

  and folders and margins and stuff and so [TS]

  you don't like crazy but if you spend [TS]

  all day in front of a computer in a [TS]

  keyboard it's like no place to doodle [TS]

  and people don't like oh let me open up [TS]

  a little sketch pad app and start [TS]

  doodling with my mouse it's just too [TS]

  much of this too much barrier to entry [TS]

  whereas idle doodling you just give [TS]

  anyone a pen and a piece of paper and [TS]

  like put them on the phone and they will [TS]

  just make tremendous creations on that [TS]

  paper while they talk on the phone that [TS]

  should be it is not already a tumblr for [TS]

  this there should be called like pho [TS]

  noodles calm or something like that or [TS]

  idle doodles where someone has a pen and [TS]

  any piece of paper or newspaper anything [TS]

  near them and they're doing something [TS]

  else I like talking on the phone or or [TS]

  you know just having a conversation with [TS]

  somebody and the amazing things that [TS]

  come out of people's hands when they're [TS]

  just idly doodling crazy-looking fractal [TS]

  things cityscapes you know giant robot [TS]

  dinosaurs like all sorts of amazing [TS]

  things I think those should be collected [TS]

  because that's the type of thing where [TS]

  you say oh I don't draw but then you [TS]

  look at the huge volume of doodles they [TS]

  produce during the year like that's art [TS]

  like you're expressing yourself [TS]

  unconsciously perhaps but uh but other [TS]

  than that yeah I would say no I don't do [TS]

  any formal drawing anymore these days [TS]

  kind of for the reasons stated in my [TS]

  hyper critical thing on our aesthetic [TS]

  article you can read if you want to I do [TS]

  have a lot of my old stuff hanging [TS]

  around like when I was a kid my entire [TS]

  room was [TS]

  covered with comics that I cut out of [TS]

  the newspaper and posters and also [TS]

  things that I drew myself like covered [TS]

  entire walls and onto the ceiling and I [TS]

  have some of those things saved also [TS]

  around my house I have some of the [TS]

  paintings I did when I was a kid because [TS]

  I took art lessons from the time I was [TS]

  like eight until like 16 and worked my [TS]

  way up through various things like you [TS]

  know was that pencils oil pastels [TS]

  watercolor acrylic oil paints sort of [TS]

  that progression so I have a lot of [TS]

  these paintings still around they're [TS]

  hanging up in my house like in my TV [TS]

  room they're not particularly good [TS]

  paintings I haven't published him [TS]

  anymore you're not missing anything [TS]

  believe me but I enjoy looking at them [TS]

  like I'm sin they're watching TV I can [TS]

  glance up and say I enjoy seeing my own [TS]

  artwork from when I was a kid in my own [TS]

  house it makes me happy and like I said [TS]

  most of the other things I did you're [TS]

  like a pretty bad copies of Larry amor [TS]

  paintings you don't know who Larry [TS]

  Elmore is you should google that and [TS]

  look at his stuff because it's awesome [TS]

  oh so there you go another now go ahead [TS]

  i'm sorry i wanted i wanted to for [TS]

  people who don't like my lack of telling [TS]

  you what I'm gonna ask Jonathan Coulton [TS]

  i'll give you my bono question hmm [TS]

  probably my bono question because I'm [TS]

  never going to meet him and he's never [TS]

  answer my question so it's not no danger [TS]

  that ah I would probably miss this tells [TS]

  you what kind of terrible sycophantic [TS]

  fanboys had questions I have in mind [TS]

  here I would probably ask mano I always [TS]

  wonder this about artists who have had [TS]

  long careers and you know Bono started [TS]

  his band was like 17 years old right and [TS]

  they're still together it's kind of like [TS]

  the Rolling Stones you know they just [TS]

  you can't stop them right and some [TS]

  people say they shouldn't stop because [TS]

  there are old people now but I want a [TS]

  spa know when you listen to like an [TS]

  early album like it wasn't a boy or [TS]

  October's I'm thinking you hear that [TS]

  seventeen-year-old kid on the album like [TS]

  singing from the top of his throat and [TS]

  screeching and talking about stuff like [TS]

  you know how old is he now I was like 50 [TS]

  or something maybe he's 60 I don't know [TS]

  how but ol bono is sorry bono if you're [TS]

  not 60 uh what do you think of that kid [TS]

  who you use 52 years old there you go [TS]

  out i would ask him what do you think [TS]

  about that kid that you hear singing on [TS]

  those albums does it seem like a [TS]

  different person to you or do you still [TS]

  feel like that kid [TS]

  like what what do you think when you [TS]

  hear that because yeah I think like you [TS]

  know he's not listening to his own music [TS]

  or whatever he's probably sick of [TS]

  hearing like things from a joshua tree [TS]

  and stuff but like maybe just hanging [TS]

  out walking through the supermarket one [TS]

  day and dublin and a track from boy [TS]

  comes on what does he think about that [TS]

  kid like in his private moments you know [TS]

  i wanna know what that's like like is [TS]

  does he disassociate does that seem like [TS]

  a different person because he's come so [TS]

  far since then or does he still feel [TS]

  like that exact same person and somehow [TS]

  he's shambling around this big ol [TS]

  person's body that's my bono question [TS]

  you can imagine how cloying my Jonathan [TS]

  Coulton question would be so going back [TS]

  to your history Dennis Bailey what were [TS]

  some of young John's favorite childhood [TS]

  toys would or do your children enjoy [TS]

  anything similar some of my children [TS]

  have my some of my favorite childhood [TS]

  toys because I saved them I of course [TS]

  liked all the Kenner Star Wars toys I [TS]

  just tweeted last night I'm watchin the [TS]

  show on travel channel called toy hunter [TS]

  where this guy a toy reseller goes [TS]

  around to people's houses and buys their [TS]

  toys and then you know resells them and [TS]

  it's just like if you are my age no [TS]

  mid-to-late 30s you will see all the [TS]

  toys you play with as a kid on this show [TS]

  and it's kind of depressing kind of [TS]

  exciting but anyway up the Battlestar [TS]

  Galactica plastic toys they came out [TS]

  when that series was on I lost my battle [TS]

  star Galactica Viper and then we moved [TS]

  to house and I was like I i lost my I [TS]

  lost my storm Kenner stormtrooper just [TS]

  the plain white stormtrooper and i lost [TS]

  my viper and those two losses like [TS]

  continue to haunt me to this day that [TS]

  was very important those toys are very [TS]

  important to me and we moved to a new [TS]

  house without them that was crushed by [TS]

  it i liked a lot of the imported [TS]

  japanese transformable things so like [TS]

  when i go to the tri-county flea market [TS]

  and Long Island arena people who are [TS]

  from that area to places where they at [TS]

  flea markets where they have import [TS]

  sellers who would sell boxes with [TS]

  Japanese writing all over them of you [TS]

  know Voltron or various robotech types [TS]

  of toys not branded his robotech half [TS]

  the time because they were from the [TS]

  original Japanese series yeah they were [TS]

  diecast many small parts like a plastic [TS]

  plus diecast plus lots of hinges and [TS]

  tiny little things toys that did not [TS]

  exist in America [TS]

  you couldn't give a like these are [TS]

  basically toys for adults practically [TS]

  because you give this any normal kid [TS]

  they would destroy but I love these [TS]

  things and i would buy and for like you [TS]

  know sixty or eighty dollars which is a [TS]

  lot of money i'm like 1982 for a little [TS]

  kid a couple of those i still have and i [TS]

  gave to my son and he's like not [TS]

  interested in there just depressing so [TS]

  they're just up on his shelf ah and of [TS]

  course things like Legos and stuff which [TS]

  were that was my toy construction kit [TS]

  where i would build other toys added [TS]

  alike that's probably if I'd to think of [TS]

  one toy that I played with the most as a [TS]

  kid it would probably be Legos which I'm [TS]

  not supposed to say as Legos but I do [TS]

  Lego toys and blocks yes alright so let [TS]

  me let me shift gears a little bit [TS]

  because people are and they asked a lot [TS]

  of technical questions here and i'll [TS]

  pick a few of the lighter ones ah faiz [TS]

  on i'm pronouncing like python [TS]

  postgresql mysql which yep I had that [TS]

  topic on my list and I decided not to do [TS]

  because i thought was too boring as the [TS]

  question like is there any topics you on [TS]

  your list that you didn't get to the [TS]

  wand to that was unless but didn't want [TS]

  to get to it but if you just want the [TS]

  one-word answer uh postgres like yeah I [TS]

  don't like MySQL for so many reasons I [TS]

  think I talked about this once on the [TS]

  show I'll give my capsule summary of it [TS]

  uh it depends on how you view the [TS]

  database like Oh for this couple things [TS]

  so one is likewise my girl so popular [TS]

  and that has to do with lots of like [TS]

  social reasons and like you know ease of [TS]

  use and stuff but if you are like a [TS]

  database nerd it's like it if you're not [TS]

  worried about oh tell me which one I can [TS]

  figure out how to get set up or which [TS]

  one is just gonna work best with some [TS]

  framework out of the box like I don't [TS]

  care about those things because I know [TS]

  about databases I don't care which one [TS]

  is like easier to set up I don't care [TS]

  which one most people use I don't [TS]

  because all those things are not [TS]

  barriers to entry to me I can figure it [TS]

  out I can make it work you know right so [TS]

  you're immediately judging by criteria [TS]

  that most people aren't judging by its [TS]

  most people like I don't care what [TS]

  database you just tell me which one [TS]

  works with the thing Oh rails likes [TS]

  mysql filers go with that right but if [TS]

  you're not that person if you're a [TS]

  database nerd if you spent your whole [TS]

  career doing back end web programming [TS]

  you wanna you want the one that matches [TS]

  your philosophy and my philosophy was [TS]

  and probably still is that the database [TS]

  is the defender of the data i want a [TS]

  database that lets me set itself up in a [TS]

  way that is impossible [TS]

  for that database to ever contain data [TS]

  that is invalid right and I want all the [TS]

  cool database features that let me do [TS]

  that and I want to have high performance [TS]

  then I want to be able you know to find [TS]

  my own types and do all sorts of you [TS]

  know all sorts of fancy database e-type [TS]

  things really rich stored procedure [TS]

  language so things that are faster to do [TS]

  in store procedures i can do that way [TS]

  like all database nerd stuff and my [TS]

  sequels not even a contender in those [TS]

  things whereas postgres gives me all [TS]

  those things and more it you know gives [TS]

  me the ability to make a dated my [TS]

  database the defender of the data with [TS]

  tons of cool features half which i'm a [TS]

  need but someday maybe I think I will uh [TS]

  and I've used both of them extensively [TS]

  and you know if I had to pick for any [TS]

  project that i was doing i would pick [TS]

  progressed in on my signal doesn't mean [TS]

  you should pick postgres not sequel you [TS]

  know you should use whatever criteria [TS]

  you want but my sequel has a history of [TS]

  not being the defender of the data of [TS]

  letting cube letting you insert you know [TS]

  letters into integer columns and marking [TS]

  a column is not null and allowing a [TS]

  empty string and no even know values in [TS]

  them like this yeah my sequel was [TS]

  depressing to me I don't like it I never [TS]

  liked it if I could ever avoid using it [TS]

  I would postgres old boy I'm gonna the [TS]

  chatroom pointed out that there is a [TS]

  Larry Elmore Kickstarter project which [TS]

  is already funded uh I think it's still [TS]

  going 25 days to go yes it head its goal [TS]

  was seventeen thousand dollars and it's [TS]

  up two hundred and fifty three thousand [TS]

  dollars i put a link in the show notes [TS]

  Oh take a look if you want to see who [TS]

  Larry Elmore was okari's it's by Larry [TS]

  elmar so there you go Keith Parkinson to [TS]

  oils like those name kid Parkinson Keith [TS]

  Parkinson have you a Mason Mason who on [TS]

  twitter asks have you ever considered [TS]

  building a hackintosh so you can use mac [TS]

  OS but still have a more powerful [TS]

  computer this of course coming from your [TS]

  well-known discontent with the state of [TS]

  the mac pro i have never seriously [TS]

  considered because I that's like I don't [TS]

  want to do that have you been have you [TS]

  built pcs in the past I know that you've [TS]

  upgraded you know upgraded max and stuff [TS]

  like that you're on your own but have [TS]

  you ever like built a pc no never build [TS]

  my VZ never even owned a pc [TS]

  I've I'm kind of in the place where you [TS]

  are now or you don't want to build pcs [TS]

  of other people you don't build your own [TS]

  you just want to buy one and have it be [TS]

  done I've always been in that place I've [TS]

  never wanted it it closes Idris mark [TS]

  wanting to play PC games when I was a [TS]

  kid because you know pc games had color [TS]

  especially once like I saw my first pc [TS]

  game in 640 by 480 because I'd see that [TS]

  pc games they were in color but it's you [TS]

  know 320 x 240 or two it's cool and all [TS]

  but EGA seriously that's just because my [TS]

  friends just had you know CJ and EGA [TS]

  cards but finally when one got a vga [TS]

  card and put like syndicate and 640 by [TS]

  480 I'm like all right I'd like to play [TS]

  that game but I just played it over [TS]

  their house instead never owned a PC [TS]

  never bought if you seen everyone to [TS]

  build one I could be pushed to the point [TS]

  where I have to build one but so far [TS]

  that has not happened I'm just patiently [TS]

  waiting with my 2008 Mac Pro patiently [TS]

  waiting for 2013 like Tim said he said [TS]

  in silver would do you think there will [TS]

  be a new mac pro in the same form or [TS]

  something else what do you want in the [TS]

  2013 mac pro he says you Mac Pro and or [TS]

  replacement and this is when Marco and I [TS]

  were talking about this earlier in the [TS]

  week on build and analyze you know it he [TS]

  wiII identified I think Marco pointed [TS]

  out that you know Tim didn't say we'll [TS]

  have an updated Mac Pro for you he said [TS]

  we'll have something for those of you [TS]

  who like the mac pro it was it was much [TS]

  more ambiguous than that like I well you [TS]

  know if you like the mac pro hey we'll [TS]

  have something for you in 2013 Marco [TS]

  didn't make that point I made that point [TS]

  many many times I've made that point oh [TS]

  you did and so you get the credit for it [TS]

  but he made that point on the show [TS]

  whether we attributed to you or not it's [TS]

  the same point yes and is it bears [TS]

  repeating anyway uh I think the odds of [TS]

  sounding that looks just like a current [TS]

  mac pro with the different stuff on the [TS]

  inside is like below fifty percent [TS]

  because like then what's the point like [TS]

  we're all this waiting and only thing [TS]

  you're gonna have is something that's [TS]

  exactly the same it's called a mac pro [TS]

  it looks like a big cheese grater but [TS]

  just the in size are different that [TS]

  seems spectacularly unlikely to me or [TS]

  but i made me you know less than fifty [TS]

  percent i would bet against it if only [TS]

  because like the optical drives going [TS]

  away everywhere not because it has to [TS]

  but because that's what Apple does like [TS]

  is there a reason the optical drive had [TS]

  to leave the imac know [TS]

  that's the thing apples doing so how can [TS]

  you take a thing a case this big and [TS]

  there was room for two optical drives [TS]

  all we're just going to put a blank spot [TS]

  there and not have them and just fill it [TS]

  with more hard drives like it seems [TS]

  crazy to me that something that Mac Pro [TS]

  users might like would come out and it [TS]

  would be exactly the same big cheese [TS]

  grater case so I'm hoping it's not in [TS]

  the same case and I don't expect it to [TS]

  be and you will you will get one [TS]

  probably yeah okay Martin Baron under [TS]

  what conditions would you switch to PC [TS]

  or windows what hypothetically would [TS]

  need to happen hardware software wise [TS]

  before the switch suppose OS 10 was [TS]

  discontinued what operating system would [TS]

  you switch to switch to PC or windows [TS]

  yeah that's the under what conditions I [TS]

  don't like these questions if Apple had [TS]

  gone out of business in like nineteen [TS]

  ninety-seven yeah ah we're tie he's [TS]

  talking about now though Matt Martin I [TS]

  know I'm trying I'm trying to think of [TS]

  scenarios words which all right but if [TS]

  Apple if Apple Ghana business 1997 I [TS]

  probably would have switched to linux [TS]

  but I probably also would have dual [TS]

  booted windows for games the only way I [TS]

  can imagine I would ever switch to [TS]

  Windows or switch away from Mac os10 got [TS]

  it even if Apple disappears tomorrow [TS]

  like I would I would go to unix I would [TS]

  not because my you know I love apple [TS]

  stuff but i also love unix I do not love [TS]

  almost anything about windows except for [TS]

  the fact that it runs some games that i [TS]

  like so i would i would go to unix I [TS]

  would not go to windows because I had [TS]

  you know and it and you say what of UNIX [TS]

  goes away I don't think I think that's [TS]

  harder to do you could probably make [TS]

  apple go away but you can't make us go [TS]

  away so I would I would almost certainly [TS]

  go to unix this despite the fact like I [TS]

  said I don't wanna screw with my stuff I [TS]

  don't want to build my own pc you don't [TS]

  accept the config files but I would [TS]

  still I would still go with UNIX but i [TS]

  hope i hope it never comes to that Anna [TS]

  debenhams susa friend of the show I [TS]

  guess we can say that she says what do [TS]

  you want to see game console [TS]

  manufacturers doing over the next few [TS]

  years now we we talked about that [TS]

  Android style console but then the other [TS]

  thing you kick-started what it what are [TS]

  you hoping for [TS]

  or is it the wii u i hope the game [TS]

  console manufacturers first i hope they [TS]

  stay in business that's my first help [TS]

  for all them because they are sort of [TS]

  beset on all sides by competitors that [TS]

  are sort of you know is there room for [TS]

  original game console i hope that there [TS]

  continues to be room for that device and [TS]

  I hope they innovate into such a way [TS]

  that they stay in business second thing [TS]

  is I hope that they sort of are more [TS]

  bold about making radical technological [TS]

  changes it seems like I mean you can't [TS]

  expect a cheap home game console to have [TS]

  the power of like PC with a [TS]

  six-hundred-dollar video card inside it [TS]

  right you just can't compete with that [TS]

  kind of money but you can do interesting [TS]

  things on the console that you can't do [TS]

  on the pc like the ps3 i think was very [TS]

  technically and just interesting with [TS]

  the cell architecture and stuff and [TS]

  there's no way they could fly on the pc [TS]

  because it would be incompatible with [TS]

  all software and it was crazy [TS]

  architecture and it's just not going to [TS]

  fly at all but you can do that on the [TS]

  console now i don't think the pc was [TS]

  this ps3 was this resounding success and [TS]

  i don't think the cell experiment was a [TS]

  particularly big success but that kind [TS]

  of innovation it can't happen in the [TS]

  peace pc pc space it can't happen in the [TS]

  mac space it really can't happen in the [TS]

  phone or tablet space because they have [TS]

  such an entrenched you know backward [TS]

  compatibility culture and stuff like [TS]

  that whereas on the game console space [TS]

  it's still okay to say maybe your old [TS]

  games will run on the ps4 maybe they [TS]

  won't you know they always try to do [TS]

  some nod to backward compatibility but [TS]

  that's a relatively recent phenomenon I [TS]

  wish that would be beaten back a little [TS]

  bit because it lets that divide of [TS]

  saying well from one generation of the [TS]

  council the next lets them wipe the [TS]

  slate clean and go all right well we [TS]

  don't really care if ps2 games playing [TS]

  the ps3 like the way they did it was [TS]

  they put the ps2 a motion engine chip [TS]

  thing onto one system on a chip and they [TS]

  just shoved it on the motherboard next [TS]

  to the ps3 was basically a ps2 and ps3 [TS]

  next to each other and eventually they [TS]

  just ditch the ps2 compatibility [TS]

  entirely and you know people grumble a [TS]

  little bit but we all survived right I [TS]

  like that I like being able to wipe the [TS]

  slate clean and so that's what I hope [TS]

  console makers continue to do this is [TS]

  anachronistic to say what they should [TS]

  really start to do is be more like the [TS]

  app store and [TS]

  you know do all the stuff they need to [TS]

  do to stay in business but what I love [TS]

  about the consoles are the old things [TS]

  that are terrible for them that are [TS]

  driving them out of business but if you [TS]

  ask me what I want that's what I want [TS]

  all right let me hear oh here's a good [TS]

  one Nicholas Ward AKA ultra nerd would [TS]

  you ever leave pearl for another [TS]

  language what would such a language need [TS]

  or how could pearl be improved well I [TS]

  think that last part that's that's all [TS]

  show or whole series the first part [TS]

  would you ever leave pearl for another [TS]

  language and what with the language need [TS]

  you know it's not like that's not really [TS]

  how development works in the modern [TS]

  world where you're like you know I [TS]

  you're an ex programmer and you draw [TS]

  your programming in that language and [TS]

  you can leave it for another language [TS]

  like at various times in my current [TS]

  career like I've spent not just like a [TS]

  day or a month or a week but hold you [TS]

  know long sections of my work life doing [TS]

  most of my programming in JavaScript in [TS]

  in PL sequel for oracle and plz quiver [TS]

  for postgres like just because pearl is [TS]

  the language i know best and and like [TS]

  the most doesn't mean to that's where I [TS]

  send the majority amount of time so i [TS]

  think all programmers these days are [TS]

  sort of multi-language you see you have [TS]

  to be I mean it's a CSS canis language [TS]

  certainly JavaScript I was like you [TS]

  can't just be a programmer in one [TS]

  particular language so I don't think I'm [TS]

  like am i leaving parole and I spend [TS]

  three months writing JavaScript know [TS]

  like have I left it I don't know I don't [TS]

  really know what that means if you're [TS]

  asking if there's a language I like [TS]

  better than pearl like I think I think [TS]

  what he's trying to say is your [TS]

  programming language of choice is pearl [TS]

  what would it take for your programming [TS]

  language of choice to not be pearl to be [TS]

  something you need a language that I [TS]

  like better than / like do I like Ruby [TS]

  better than Pearl no I don't like I look [TS]

  that's the problem the problem with [TS]

  pearls I think I said in previous shows [TS]

  when I look at other languages like [TS]

  Python and Ruby and stuff like that like [TS]

  in Ruby I see a language that should [TS]

  have learned more from pearl but didn't [TS]

  uh like making the same mistakes to [TS]

  pearl made which sounds crazy it's like [TS]

  well but pearl already made those [TS]

  mistakes so like why you know why you [TS]

  sticking with the language that you're [TS]

  acknowledging has mistakes it's like [TS]

  well I'm not gonna leave for another one [TS]

  unless I think it's learned everything [TS]

  there is to learn from pearl and it's [TS]

  not made those mistakes in Python [TS]

  is like philosophically different as [TS]

  like a different style and flavor and [TS]

  that it's you know very different from [TS]

  so the Pearl culture and that's not like [TS]

  the way that's not the kind of culture I [TS]

  like JavaScript well now I don't you [TS]

  know it's not I don't I don't dislike [TS]

  JavaScript for the reasons that that [TS]

  most people who dislike javascript is [TS]

  like it again I just like it you know [TS]

  not because the DOM is ugly not because [TS]

  working with browsers is knowing all [TS]

  those things are true but like as a [TS]

  language just so feature poor and [TS]

  limited and oversimplified and things [TS]

  that should be simple or complicated and [TS]

  just you know that like the reason [TS]

  CoffeeScript exists is because people [TS]

  who are programming language kind of [TS]

  service don't like JavaScript it's not a [TS]

  great language we like what you can do [TS]

  with it we like the fact that there as [TS]

  fast engines you can run all sorts of [TS]

  these reasons but as language not great [TS]

  so so far there is not a language out [TS]

  there that I like better than pearl and [TS]

  what it would take for me to leave pearl [TS]

  for another language in that sense would [TS]

  be for me to see a language that I say [TS]

  this language is more fun for me to work [TS]

  with the pearl it doesn't mean the [TS]

  language is better just means I like it [TS]

  better that's so far that it's not [TS]

  happened I think I name goes to the [TS]

  contenders there's some other one [TS]

  forgetting that people want to hear me [TS]

  express express my distaste for I can do [TS]

  that but Chris shock asks if you've ever [TS]

  resorted to programming in Python uh I [TS]

  think I have a couple of scripts that I [TS]

  have hacked-up that are written in [TS]

  Python I don't think I've ever started a [TS]

  script script from scratch and Python [TS]

  like I mean I Twitter backup script is [TS]

  someone else's Python Twitter backup [TS]

  script that I have modified over there [TS]

  yeah like that flickr exporter thing [TS]

  same thing like at it no one should have [TS]

  to write Python yeah it's not it doesn't [TS]

  match with my and some parts of it do [TS]

  match with my philosophy but the other [TS]

  parts have been done and that python is [TS]

  another language i felt like all men [TS]

  like it's i see it going through some of [TS]

  the same things that pearl did with like [TS]

  pythons 00 system where they changed in [TS]

  mind and made a different auto system [TS]

  but like all of them are you just look [TS]

  at it you're like no you know you didn't [TS]

  that didn't work out for you guys you [TS]

  didn't quite figure it out your clothes [TS]

  you have some things that are good but [TS]

  no not for me crisis who's crisis 121 on [TS]

  Twitter what are the most important [TS]

  things you've learned about podcasting [TS]

  since starting [TS]

  hyper critical it's that crisis with a [TS]

  why it is ciara is is 1 to 100 the most [TS]

  important things I learned about [TS]

  podcasting yes that is the question I [TS]

  guess the most important thing I learned [TS]

  about podcast thing is that i am [TS]

  passively able to do it which was a [TS]

  question to begin with like it I've know [TS]

  if I've talked about this but my my [TS]

  fairy pod mother the person who I listen [TS]

  to who made me think that podcasting is [TS]

  the thing that I might like to try to do [TS]

  was a fantasy fiction author named mer [TS]

  Lafferty she has still has a think a [TS]

  podcast called well I originally listen [TS]

  to geek foo action grip which i think is [TS]

  gone it's got one got one called I [TS]

  should be writing which was a podcast [TS]

  for wanna be fiction writers by i wanna [TS]

  be fiction writer but then she had to [TS]

  drop the wannabe when she became a [TS]

  published author so congratulations door [TS]

  but both of those shows were just her [TS]

  talking into a microphone about about [TS]

  writing and geek related things that's [TS]

  it no co-host know anything she produced [TS]

  them all herself she sat down in front [TS]

  of desk she took letters from people she [TS]

  read them she talked about writing and [TS]

  what it means to be a good writer and [TS]

  had little segment Annette sponsors and [TS]

  all those stuff and I love listening to [TS]

  them despite the fact that i'm not a [TS]

  wannabe fiction writer uh I said you [TS]

  know what this is just one person [TS]

  sitting where we should his North [TS]

  Carolina or something sitting in some [TS]

  room in front of a microphone and [TS]

  talking and because she's an interesting [TS]

  person as an interesting thing to say [TS]

  I'm sitting here listening to them right [TS]

  all right I have interesting things to [TS]

  say its aim seems like something that I [TS]

  could do and that was years and years [TS]

  ago before you know I I remember when [TS]

  those things part started but its way [TS]

  before five by five and wait for you [TS]

  know that was I think it was even a gap [TS]

  in there where like podcasts stopped [TS]

  being a thing for me but that that's [TS]

  that's the most important thing I've [TS]

  learned about podcasting is that uh it's [TS]

  one of the things that I am able to [TS]

  possibly do like you know unlike say [TS]

  flamenco dancing or gymnastics or [TS]

  something or like oh that's interesting [TS]

  thing but it doesn't seem like something [TS]

  that I'm ever going to do this seemed [TS]

  like something I want to try and and [TS]

  could do it in a way that would not be a [TS]

  complete failure so that's that say the [TS]

  most important thing I've learned [TS]

  almost everything else about podcasting [TS]

  dan knows and not me I got a you know [TS]

  all about podcast I just show up and [TS]

  talk like I don't know anything about [TS]

  what you're doing is I mean when I'm [TS]

  doing install the moving pieces and [TS]

  stuff like that but you're doing the [TS]

  hard part well I mean it depends on the [TS]

  way you view it like Merle after he was [TS]

  doing both parts like she set up the [TS]

  website and got the sponsors and you [TS]

  know had everything work right away the [TS]

  RSS feed work and dealt with itunes [TS]

  stuff and bought been within like you [TS]

  know that is a big important part of [TS]

  podcasting I just don't know anything [TS]

  about it cuz I don't do any of that [TS]

  stuff that's the service / provides so I [TS]

  can't give any insight into it that's [TS]

  what you mean by Oh some people said [TS]

  podcasting sometimes they mean like how [TS]

  do I physically set up a podcast and get [TS]

  to show up in iTunes and stuff like that [TS]

  on the other side of it is ah how do I [TS]

  make something in recorded audio form [TS]

  that other people actually want to want [TS]

  to listen to oh it's kind of kind of [TS]

  related to that uh let's see this [TS]

  question okay what tips does john have [TS]

  for an aspiring journalist that wants to [TS]

  grow that would like to grow up to be [TS]

  just like him Ron Glassman I think I'm [TS]

  sizes before but I do not view myself [TS]

  nor have ever viewed myself as a [TS]

  journalist because I think of that maybe [TS]

  I'm wrong in thinking this way maybe [TS]

  it's too narrow definition but I think [TS]

  it was someone is like a reporter who [TS]

  like who's training is how to go out and [TS]

  get a story the journalist doesn't have [TS]

  to know anything about football to be [TS]

  omega sports is a bad example that's [TS]

  probably out the counterexample you [TS]

  don't have to know anything about like [TS]

  county government to be the guy who sits [TS]

  in all the county government meetings [TS]

  and does report you'll learn about it [TS]

  once you have that beat and you're [TS]

  supposed to your job is I'm a smart guy [TS]

  but I don't need domain knowledge I can [TS]

  just go into any topic learn about it [TS]

  enough to write a story like a magazine [TS]

  writer or something you know you get [TS]

  embedded with the troops and learn about [TS]

  it or talk to some people at some [TS]

  startup about technology learn enough [TS]

  about technology to then summarize and [TS]

  explain it to people or or do reporting [TS]

  or sit in the White House press room and [TS]

  ask questions and you will learn the [TS]

  beat as you get on to it but your [TS]

  training as a journalist is I don't I [TS]

  don't have this job because I'm the guy [TS]

  who knows the most about superconductors [TS]

  i am from Time magazine interviewing the [TS]

  scientist about superconductors because [TS]

  I'm a journalist and [TS]

  most can write a great story but [TS]

  anything just send me in I'll figure it [TS]

  out to the research right that's not me [TS]

  i am not a journalist I've never have [TS]

  been i don't want to be a journalist [TS]

  it's not something I aspire to I have [TS]

  very difficult time writing not even the [TS]

  topics I know about I'm totally unable [TS]

  to write about topics that I don't know [TS]

  about I'm not interested in you know [TS]

  researching them and figuring them out [TS]

  people like I don't I don't want to be [TS]

  the guy who has to tell you about the [TS]

  police blotter in the small town like [TS]

  that's that's not interesting to me at [TS]

  all so I have very few chips on how to [TS]

  be a journalist because I'm not one [TS]

  don't know how to be one it would be a [TS]

  terrible one if I had to be uh a few [TS]

  things that I know I know by like [TS]

  contact with other people i think was [TS]

  this on the crossover I think I'm the [TS]

  most recent episode the crossover with [TS]

  Jason Snell he talked about how Dan [TS]

  morin became a journalist yeah he wats [TS]

  up to him and said I'd like I want to [TS]

  write for you guys yeah the first thing [TS]

  he did I think I actually learned [TS]

  recently the very first thing that den [TS]

  lauren had published on hope I don't get [TS]

  this wrong dan is that he I don't know [TS]

  how it got got into the paper but he [TS]

  wrote something for the Boston Globe [TS]

  about star wars episode one like I think [TS]

  it was about the fandom or maybe was [TS]

  before the thing came out or about [TS]

  waiting in line I don't remember the [TS]

  details but I was published in a [TS]

  newspaper and that must have been [TS]

  difficult to pull off but in this modern [TS]

  age you know going up to Jason Snelling [TS]

  at tradeshows saying hey I like Max I [TS]

  wanna write for Mac world ah that's a [TS]

  weird kind of getting your foot in the [TS]

  door and at this point we're talking [TS]

  about Lex Friedman Jason also talked [TS]

  about didn't even have to see him in a [TS]

  trade show we just tweeted to him and [TS]

  said you know the macworld tweeted hey [TS]

  we're looking people to review software [TS]

  and lex replied and said all right i [TS]

  like to review software and they gave [TS]

  him a shot basically it's easier than [TS]

  ever to get your foot in the door at [TS]

  some established publication and if you [TS]

  don't or can't do that you can always [TS]

  try doing it on your own the bottom line [TS]

  is that the reason to anymore and lex [TS]

  friedman have jobs with macworld now is [TS]

  because they're good at what they did [TS]

  not awesome super great the very first [TS]

  time out the door but there was [TS]

  obviously like something there and how [TS]

  did that something get there is it [TS]

  because they spent their high school [TS]

  careers at the student newspaper they're [TS]

  really into English they read a lot of [TS]

  books all those things combined like you [TS]

  can't just be some random person who's [TS]

  like you know what I think I might like [TS]

  to try journalism you have to put in the [TS]

  work to do all the stuff to become well [TS]

  read read lots of journalism right stuff [TS]

  on your own just be terrible at it for a [TS]

  long time and work your way up and [TS]

  eventually there's no reason why if you [TS]

  work on that skill set entering truly [TS]

  interested in a topic you can't get a [TS]

  job in that field but I've never done it [TS]

  myself and I don't don't want a job in [TS]

  that field so I don't know how much i [TS]

  hope i can give their all right how did [TS]

  you become steven man no relation i [TS]

  would be tickled if you ask john how did [TS]

  you become such an accomplished critic [TS]

  in other words how is that you are [TS]

  capable of so efficiently and completely [TS]

  breaking this stuff down finding out [TS]

  what's wrong with things I think a lot [TS]

  of it is genetic just like your [TS]

  personality if you're a complainer beer [TS]

  wire here you like complaining bus stuff [TS]

  like and that hyper critical thing [TS]

  artist acting I talked about that was [TS]

  you know one of my major and eight skill [TS]

  was the ability to figure out what's [TS]

  wrong with things a lot of it has to do [TS]

  with you know having that sort of [TS]

  disposition but also growing up in a [TS]

  house you know my family is Italian and [TS]

  we would yell at each other and argue it [TS]

  at the dinner table about everything so [TS]

  if you're in like I don't know you see [TS]

  you see the parodies of different types [TS]

  of American families on television one [TS]

  of the stereotypes is sort of the waspey [TS]

  Protestant family having Thanksgiving [TS]

  dinner very nicely and you know they [TS]

  carve the turkey near in quietly so this [TS]

  is wonderful mom and they eat them [TS]

  whatever and the other stereotype is the [TS]

  giant Italian family yelling at each [TS]

  other over Thanksgiving there that was [TS]

  right that way not in a bet you know [TS]

  people see that like it depending on [TS]

  where you're coming from you like you're [TS]

  repulsed by that and I think it's awful [TS]

  they all hate each other but if you're [TS]

  from that tandem environment it makes [TS]

  you it makes its heart warming and so [TS]

  that's the environment I came from the [TS]

  time where everyone's yelling at each [TS]

  other over the table and arguing about [TS]

  things constantly and if you want to [TS]

  participate in that environment you [TS]

  better be able to you know if you want [TS]

  to be at the grown-up table you better [TS]

  be able to argue with the grown-ups [TS]

  about whatever it is that they're [TS]

  talking about so I think that helped a [TS]

  lot and also probably just being a nerd [TS]

  and you know if you can't if you can't [TS]

  excel in the areas but we're nerds tend [TS]

  not to excel at least maybe you can [TS]

  argue them into the ground I don't know [TS]

  I just I'm pulling for anything here but [TS]

  that that I think explains it's mostly [TS]

  mostly innate and then combined with the [TS]

  environment Kevin Connor Connor k do you [TS]

  invert your view of your vertical look [TS]

  access and to have strong feelings about [TS]

  customized controls in general FPS or a [TS]

  third person uh he doesn't say but I'm [TS]

  going to assume FPS he's in the chat [TS]

  room so and he should be paying [TS]

  attention description well it's his [TS]

  questionnaire so f BS no invert I don't [TS]

  understand how people do inverted why [TS]

  and the first person game it's crazy to [TS]

  me Conor Casey says both yeah I suppose [TS]

  you kind of like reverse scrolling in [TS]

  line like you could probably get used to [TS]

  it it's definitely where all those [TS]

  things that will flip on you uh but it [TS]

  doesn't mean it's not crazy like a good [TS]

  example I've recently been telling my [TS]

  son about this to try to teach him about [TS]

  the wonders of the human mind but like [TS]

  you know those uh I was telling him that [TS]

  the image on the back of his retinas [TS]

  displayed upside down because it lends [TS]

  in his eye but doesn't look upside down [TS]

  to you as your brain you know just [TS]

  interprets it the right way right yeah [TS]

  uh so they have glasses that you can put [TS]

  on in front of your eyes are goggles or [TS]

  whatever they will flip everything [TS]

  around again so everything looks upside [TS]

  down to you and you put them on you like [TS]

  oh how I'm gonna walk around with these [TS]

  glasses this Young's on the floor the [TS]

  floors on the ceiling everything that [TS]

  side down it's crazy but if you walk [TS]

  around with them for a day your brain [TS]

  will just and everything will look fine [TS]

  so wait a minute wait a minute you [TS]

  you're saying that everything will look [TS]

  right side up again to you or your brain [TS]

  will Justin will look normal to you it's [TS]

  kind of like when you put on like ski [TS]

  goggles and everything's yellow for a [TS]

  little while but then eventually just [TS]

  looks normal let me take them off [TS]

  everything looks weird so if you put on [TS]

  glasses that flip it vertically flip [TS]

  everything that you see you will bump [TS]

  into things for a little while but after [TS]

  about a day you'll be used to it if you [TS]

  don't take them off and your brain will [TS]

  basically adjust uh-huh what was that [TS]

  with you oh so the verge of Y axis so [TS]

  the inverted scrolling and inverted axes [TS]

  are similar like even lesser cases of [TS]

  this where you would get used to it but [TS]

  no I do not like inverted why in third [TS]

  person this drives me nuts because I can [TS]

  never remember what the hell my [TS]

  preferences are so like examples are in [TS]

  like myth the bungee game where you had [TS]

  a camera control you will swivel you [TS]

  would orbit your camera around your your [TS]

  men or even things like you know just [TS]

  like journey or something where's the [TS]

  third person camera there is a way that [TS]

  my brain works best in terms of like [TS]

  what [TS]

  you do if you want the camera to rotate [TS]

  counterclockwise around the thing that [TS]

  you're looking at do you press to the [TS]

  left already oppressed to the right and [TS]

  I can never remember which one I like [TS]

  best except i have this mild discomfort [TS]

  when it's the wrong one and then i [TS]

  inverted I go that's much better you [TS]

  know Mario 64 smell exemplar America [TS]

  sunshine is a good example they had the [TS]

  the c-stick free look the default [TS]

  controls America sunshine for the camera [TS]

  controls I think are the ones that I [TS]

  like I can never remember you know what [TS]

  uh the thing about third person is like [TS]

  when I want the camera to look up at the [TS]

  sky do I pull back like I'm like I'm [TS]

  driving a plane looking up at the sky or [TS]

  do I push forward uh and that one I can [TS]

  never like I said I can never remember [TS]

  my preferences are and i can also can t [TS]

  remember what they consider invert or [TS]

  not but FPS is clear-cut for me no [TS]

  inverted why okay oh here's a neat one [TS]

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  this show possible blue imagination asks [TS]

  what is your favorite specific model [TS]

  Apple device of all time it can be a [TS]

  computer a phone a tablet etc that's [TS]

  easy i actually already answered that in [TS]

  the when macro magazine had its 25th [TS]

  anniversary of the mac issue they [TS]

  solicited feedback from various current [TS]

  day Mac pundit people whatever right [TS]

  including me and John Gruber and much [TS]

  other people yeah and I think three of [TS]

  us prop three of us of similar ages pick [TS]

  the very same best Mac of all time and [TS]

  that is and continues to be my favorite [TS]

  thing that Apple has ever made that's [TS]

  the mac se 30 which most people see me [TS]

  that show probably don't know what it is [TS]

  but if you want to like there are space [TS]

  limitations in Macworld so I can only [TS]

  write like 200 words about it but I [TS]

  could have written like 3000 I'll try to [TS]

  find a link for the show notes to that [TS]

  particular story on Mac world's new [TS]

  website I think you should love it moved [TS]

  around but the gist of it is that the [TS]

  Macintosh originally was that little [TS]

  computer that most people should know it [TS]

  looks like like a little vertical thing [TS]

  with little nine inch CRT stuck in the [TS]

  front of them poppy drive in the front [TS]

  it looks kind of like a mouth looks like [TS]

  a little person have you ever seen the [TS]

  banana junior from bloom County that's [TS]

  what it's based on that's what that's [TS]

  what the Mac was in the beginning and [TS]

  they came with the mac plus and the mac [TS]

  SE all same form factor different [TS]

  details about the surface features but [TS]

  more or less the vertical little thing [TS]

  and then the mac to came out and it was [TS]

  more like a pc slab type thing and then [TS]

  Mac start bearing from that point on [TS]

  both to the Mac from the beginning was [TS]

  that vertical thing on the Mac se 30 was [TS]

  basically a Mac 2x which is the big [TS]

  powerful machine shoved into the little [TS]

  big powerful color machine shoved into [TS]

  the little original black and white kind [TS]

  of case like that form factor and so it [TS]

  was small and look like an original mac [TS]

  but had the internals of what was then [TS]

  apple's fastest computer you could buy [TS]

  and that was kind of like I think the [TS]

  analogy is in the macworld thing was [TS]

  like you know putting a Ferrari v8 [TS]

  engine into into a Honda Civic like it [TS]

  was this little compact little package [TS]

  that a regular person could afford kind [TS]

  of it was like 40 300 bucks in like [TS]

  nineteen eighty-seven so ok maybe not [TS]

  you know so it was very few people cry [TS]

  for it's still less than the mac [TS]

  because I had to buy a monitor with two [TS]

  in the monitor was like 800 bucks or [TS]

  some crazy you know so it in a small [TS]

  package that I could fit on my desk [TS]

  right on top of my stack of existing [TS]

  hard drives with the exactly a footprint [TS]

  but inside that was like you know speed [TS]

  demon engine and and like I think I said [TS]

  in the macro thing this was back in the [TS]

  age when every new computer that Apple [TS]

  came out with was better than all of its [TS]

  previous computers in every possible way [TS]

  so like when the next computer came out [TS]

  the old computer had mono stand this one [TS]

  had stereo the old computer had this [TS]

  much ram this one had more the old [TS]

  computer hit had this much harder his [TS]

  face this one had more the old computer [TS]

  had the speed cpu this one was faster [TS]

  every single part of it was better like [TS]

  there was no like oh here's a new model [TS]

  and it's like you know what when a new [TS]

  mac mini would come out back on the mac [TS]

  pro was being updated you didn't expect [TS]

  the brand new mac mini to be faster than [TS]

  the modern-day mac pro and like you know [TS]

  not 2007 let's say when the mac pros [TS]

  were still being updated right of course [TS]

  apples you know the new mac mini is not [TS]

  going to be faster than last year's mac [TS]

  pro because they have a segmented [TS]

  product line but this was very early the [TS]

  beginning of apple every single new mac [TS]

  was the best mac there ever was and so [TS]

  SE 30 was like the last of that line [TS]

  where I was like this is better than the [TS]

  mac SE and the mac plus and even better [TS]

  than the mac to which was that big [TS]

  gargantuan you know pc looking thing we [TS]

  had to buy a separate monitor for you [TS]

  could even put a 24-bit color card into [TS]

  the thing which i did so that was the [TS]

  end of the line for that and it was also [TS]

  the best original form factor mac they [TS]

  ever made is even things like the mat [TS]

  classic and stuff that was back in the [TS]

  age when it's like all right well here's [TS]

  the mat classic and it's not as good as [TS]

  the modern max but if you want some [TS]

  dorky little thing that looks like the [TS]

  old Mac you can have it like that was [TS]

  totally not or we talking about this was [TS]

  a high prestige high-class best-in-class [TS]

  in every possible way awesome machine [TS]

  and it was the end of that line and it [TS]

  was the best original form factor Mac [TS]

  and so that's why it's my favorite and I [TS]

  had the computer for years like I had it [TS]

  I that was my computer when i graduated [TS]

  college in 1997 and mac SE 30 with a [TS]

  24-bit color card in a color monitor it [TS]

  tells you how long that thing last if [TS]

  you bought it when it was new I mean [TS]

  fine I how many more of these do you [TS]

  want you can you can cut it off you can [TS]

  pick how long you want the show to go it [TS]

  seems like you have an unlimited [TS]

  supply of someone chatroom asked me [TS]

  pancetta prosciutto in my carbonara I've [TS]

  done all sorts of kind but my wife likes [TS]

  best a good old-fashioned American bacon [TS]

  and so that's what I make most of the [TS]

  time in my karbonn are as sacrilegious [TS]

  as that may be i would definitely pick [TS]

  pinch at over your dildo or whatever [TS]

  that's work and guanciale hard to find [TS]

  and usually more expensive than pancetta [TS]

  okay ah let's see I don't do too many of [TS]

  these people get angry at me because if [TS]

  I you buy you saying that it's my choice [TS]

  when people get angry so let me see oh [TS]

  man how technical died only get too [TS]

  technical nice i want i'm trying to pick [TS]

  the ones that are about you about the [TS]

  man the man this is this is dealt part [TS]

  of the show is that dant you working to [TS]

  submit all the questions but dan is the [TS]

  arbiter of them so if you you obviously [TS]

  have a theme in mind for the questions [TS]

  you're selecting and that's just what [TS]

  the listeners have to accept someone [TS]

  keeps asking about my wallet it's not a [TS]

  costanza wallet it's not super slim [TS]

  either it's maybe like inch thick less [TS]

  than it it's a trifold uh it's not that [TS]

  big I do put into my front pocket now my [TS]

  back though because i think i put on my [TS]

  back pocket i would get the costanza [TS]

  spine who puts their wall in the back [TS]

  pack of these days you your wallet in [TS]

  front pocket right uh it depends [TS]

  actually really you did like you put in [TS]

  your back pocket when you know you're [TS]

  gonna be sitting down at some point no [TS]

  not if I'm gonna be sitting down I might [TS]

  actually take it take it out completely [TS]

  oh you but you're from the Northeast [TS]

  aren't you are no people it's easier to [TS]

  pick pocket under your back yeah so I if [TS]

  I'm out somewhere it goes in the front [TS]

  pocket then you can feel that it's there [TS]

  someone's sick sore hand your front [TS]

  pocket you're more likely to kill ready [TS]

  might notice yet it's there's too much [TS]

  but fat you wont I don't feel the lift [TS]

  yeah I'm feeling lived all right um I [TS]

  don't I feel like we should stop I feel [TS]

  like we should stop I feel like this was [TS]

  really good and the rest of them that [TS]

  they're starting to get mired in really [TS]

  specific little details and and things [TS]

  like that god forbid we get mired yeah [TS]

  yeah I'm last one Michael stieber asks [TS]

  have you finished those [TS]

  turns en paz look will brian powell will [TS]

  John ever admit that using a toaster for [TS]

  toaster oven for toasting bread and [TS]

  bagels is a bad idea removal I admit [TS]

  I'll show about it I know that is only a [TS]

  whole big preface on the show is that [TS]

  yes if you if you it's easier to get [TS]

  fast toasting even toasting from a slot [TS]

  toaster but I don't want a slot toaster [TS]

  because i use it for oven like things [TS]

  and so i don't have room for both you [TS]

  know room for both you need to use a [TS]

  problem like things i wanted to toast [TS]

  your oven that worked it's not like [TS]

  admitting a slot toaster is but I said [TS]

  it on the show go back and listen right [TS]

  Clark goble what do you see the future [TS]

  of iCloud being given there are still [TS]

  wait ok let me this is a little bit [TS]

  second attempt what do you see the [TS]

  future of iCloud being given there are [TS]

  still huge problems i'm editing this as [TS]

  i go with Doc and core data syncing [TS]

  after two years if you try they go keep [TS]

  plugging away at it uh I think I cloud [TS]

  is probably the last embarrassing rename [TS]

  because it is past some threshold [TS]

  probably pass some threads like you know [TS]

  that again getting by through northeast [TS]

  stuff what was it was it Bell Atlantic [TS]

  there was there was ma belle and then [TS]

  there was Bell Atlantic which is my name [TS]

  one of the smaller things when they [TS]

  broke up 18t and i forget what bell [TS]

  atlantic change too but like phone [TS]

  companies back then and still to this [TS]

  day kept changing their name because the [TS]

  old phone company would have such an [TS]

  incredibly terrible reputation because [TS]

  everyone hated bell atlantic and they [TS]

  changed or whatever they change it to [TS]

  like that's how things like verizon and [TS]

  singular came to exist because those are [TS]

  new names for old things there they had [TS]

  to keep changing the name over and over [TS]

  again because people just hated with the [TS]

  passion and then you know now people [TS]

  hate like eighteen t or verizon or [TS]

  whatever it may be those companies had [TS]

  to change the names to that is like you [TS]

  don't want to be in that cycle and [TS]

  apples in that cycle does online [TS]

  services nobody was you know I guess I [TS]

  tool so it's free whatever you know fine [TS]

  dot Mac did not have a good reputation [TS]

  mobileme did not have a good reputation [TS]

  so they had to keep changing the name to [TS]

  say no no seriously it's going to be [TS]

  good this time and to prove it I'll bail [TS]

  then take a 9x yeah 9x was another one [TS]

  gte yeah someone the chatroom says bell [TS]

  atlantic plus 9x plus dt equals what [TS]

  is now Verizon uh anyway you don't want [TS]

  help comcast xfinity oh yeah comcastic [TS]

  uh so for iCloud I'm hoping this is the [TS]

  last big green name that I cloud passes [TS]

  some minimum thresholds for non [TS]

  suckitude that they can just simply [TS]

  improve iCloud and it needs to be [TS]

  improved and every we all know what the [TS]

  problems are uh the problem with Apple [TS]

  secrecy is they never beyond saying that [TS]

  now the cloud is the center instead of [TS]

  the digital hub they never articulate [TS]

  their philosophy of like we have they're [TS]

  just kind of tea leaf read of like why [TS]

  is it that each application it gets its [TS]

  own container well I guess it's simpler [TS]

  but then how are they gonna share data [TS]

  well I think sharing is not that [TS]

  important you could do everything you're [TS]

  in the apps or maybe email like we're [TS]

  just trying to figure out what is it [TS]

  that you think you're doing and part of [TS]

  it is like imagine that there's some [TS]

  master plan maybe there isn't and the [TS]

  other product is just maybe their plan [TS]

  is stupid and doesn't doesn't reflect [TS]

  the needs of their customers but I think [TS]

  they'll keep plugging away at it I think [TS]

  that even within the current broken [TS]

  paradigm of these little independent [TS]

  silos and everything they can't even get [TS]

  that to work right I get that to be [TS]

  reliable fast predictable and maybe then [TS]

  or maybe in parallel also worried about [TS]

  what you're gonna do but boring stuff [TS]

  like implementation competence is does [TS]

  it perform well does it do what you say [TS]

  it's going to do even if what you say [TS]

  its gonna do is stupid you have to at [TS]

  least you know get competent because [TS]

  then what happens if you come up with a [TS]

  grand new plan oh no wait guys I have a [TS]

  way to do it that's simple and let's [TS]

  allow sharing and is multifamily [TS]

  multi-person savvy within a family and [TS]

  it's just great if you can't get it to [TS]

  work it doesn't matter if your idea is [TS]

  better so I think they need to focus on [TS]

  execution and also come up with a better [TS]

  idea and I think they will keep plugging [TS]

  away at because I cloud does is so much [TS]

  better than mobile me and all those [TS]

  other things am it's more on the right [TS]

  track so there Alex I think I've there's [TS]

  one last question all right Bill Keller [TS]

  in the chat room asked and maybe you [TS]

  answer this one in there but he has a [TS]

  you didn't answer here we talked about [TS]

  pearl and things like that before what [TS]

  type of programming projects do you work [TS]

  on in your day job paint it paint and [TS]

  this is my elaboration paint a picture [TS]

  of what a day a work day in the life of [TS]

  John circus is like we can end on that [TS]

  what kind I don't know [TS]

  something known as I don't talk about my [TS]

  work on the show because I don't want [TS]

  this to be a show about my work cuz that [TS]

  would be like back to work I'm already [TS]

  out of that show but suffice it to say [TS]

  that my day is the typical day of a back [TS]

  end web developer I do stuff with pearl [TS]

  that talks to databases and you know [TS]

  client-side stuff with HTML Javascript [TS]

  and CSS and you know all the all the [TS]

  typical things that you would expect to [TS]

  do depending on what project them on [TS]

  maybe I'm doing stuff that's totally [TS]

  away from the client or doing anything [TS]

  having to do with the browser maybe it's [TS]

  completely faceless jobs in the [TS]

  background that you know talk to the [TS]

  file system and the database or maybe [TS]

  I'm doing stuff it's all front end and [TS]

  it's just tweaking a user interface and [TS]

  connecting it up with some existing [TS]

  functionality or maybe it's just CSS and [TS]

  JavaScript weeks and everything in [TS]

  between day-to-day it depends on the [TS]

  project depends on what you're doing but [TS]

  that's that's basically at just the [TS]

  typical day working programmer I [TS]

  interact with the bug tracking system [TS]

  and source control and text editors like [TS]

  it's it's not it's not rocket science [TS]

  it's pretty much what it is it's a [TS]

  typical developer type of environment [TS]

  hope the answers the question all [TS]

  systems are boring because I don't think [TS]

  so i think this is exactly what people [TS]

  in here I maybe don't mean maybe people [TS]

  don't know like if you're not a [TS]

  developer maybe it is mysterious what [TS]

  you do but like if you are a developer [TS]

  it becomes not mysterious very quickly [TS]

  like how you just you're just a guy [TS]

  you're writing code your yeah not like I [TS]

  think I guess I can remember when your [TS]

  novice you're like I remember when I was [TS]

  I was starting out of like version [TS]

  control was mysterious to me like cuz if [TS]

  you you know if you're just starting out [TS]

  as a programmer your ear you know 15 [TS]

  year old kid by yourself or whatever [TS]

  like why would you have version control [TS]

  I hear tales of CBS the jeribai this the [TS]

  way to you know do version control you [TS]

  like oh but I don't know that how am I [TS]

  ever gonna be working program I don't [TS]

  understand CBS and you know three jobs [TS]

  in you realize but and the blood [TS]

  pressure control is and now it doesn't [TS]

  matter which version control system [TS]

  you're using you're gonna hate it and [TS]

  yeah it becomes just part of the job uh [TS]

  you don't worry about it but all right [TS]

  well I'm gonna say that's it I but next [TS]

  week we'll have a regular a regular [TS]

  style episode or I'll make you interview [TS]

  oh alright I told you this doesn't count [TS]

  as you interviewing me this is all [TS]

  readers yeah these are all readers [TS]

  questions [TS]

  sir listeners ask me question if I can't [TS]

  come up with the topic or if I think [TS]

  that is the topic to do is to have you [TS]

  interviewed me you still have to be [TS]

  ready at any time the moments notice you [TS]

  called two of them and say Dan wake up [TS]

  I'll be ready yeah I would I mean my [TS]

  your show but I my suggestion would be [TS]

  that be the final final episode but I [TS]

  mean I told you I I know what the final [TS]

  so it's gonna be and that is not that is [TS]

  not it all right so I've got two there's [TS]

  two potential shows 1998-99 that I could [TS]

  potentially be called upon so or not or [TS]

  not or not but I'm ready either way okay [TS]

  so if people would like to follow you on [TS]

  twitter syracuse is IRA see you si [TS]

  there's no Z and you are siracusa on [TS]

  Alpha and you've got Syria just for you [TS]

  Syracuse intent i F and that's [TS]

  everything right and so hyper critical [TS]

  dot co they want to read your your free [TS]

  blog post three blog posts per day that [TS]

  you're doing for a year now and five by [TS]

  five died TV such hypercritical session [TS]

  97 has a some links and notes that John [TS]

  and I have added for you guys to read to [TS]

  go check it out it's not too late to [TS]

  review or rape this show so go do that [TS]

  on iTunes if you'd like I'm damn [TS]

  Benjamin on Twitter and here that's it [TS]

  have a good one deunan [TS]

  you [TS]