96: Blue Peter


  as a wise man once said Dan don't give a [TS]

  date that leads to the dark side this is [TS]

  hypercritical a weekly talk show [TS]

  ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

  the world of Apple and related [TS]

  technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

  so perfect that it can't be complained [TS]

  about by my friend and your host John [TS]

  siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

  Friday November 30th 2012 this is [TS]

  episode number 96 and there are only a [TS]

  hundred only a few left to go I know [TS]

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  out at my node com hi John Oh Dan how is [TS]

  everything going just fine I didn't see [TS]

  you online I was worried no you are [TS]

  Miriam you're hiding I'm hiding in plain [TS]

  sight is they say yep all right a lot of [TS]

  notes on today's show I can't tell when [TS]

  I have a lot of notes if it will be long [TS]

  or short but I do have a lot of notes so [TS]

  we better get going let's do it what [TS]

  should we start with do you think why I [TS]

  am not privy to your notes so I I don't [TS]

  know we start with follow-up dan what do [TS]

  you think oh well I don't I love [TS]

  follow-up I love the follow-up segment [TS]

  alright first bit of fall is about the [TS]

  wii u we talked about in the past couple [TS]

  sure now let me I have an announcement [TS]

  to make alright already already a wii u [TS]

  a black deluxe wii u is winging its way [TS]

  to you hopefully for arrival to you next [TS]

  week well that's excellent dan thank you [TS]

  very much and thank you do whoever hell [TS]

  to source that that will remain a secret [TS]

  until later my secret benefactor that's [TS]

  right I mean I'm the benefactor but they [TS]

  were the middleman and they will be they [TS]

  will be well compensated for their [TS]

  efforts or middle woman middle and [TS]

  middle man okay it's fifty percent [TS]

  forty-nine percent of the population [TS]

  ruled in 51% ruled out so once this [TS]

  arrives I'll have to immediately unpack [TS]

  it and set it up and try to do some [TS]

  playing and then we'll see what showed [TS]

  that ends up fitting in yeah you know [TS]

  cuz i have to i like a lot of these [TS]

  games are multiplayer so I'm gonna have [TS]

  to enlist the family to you know kid [TS]

  test the game and mom test it and you [TS]

  know all sorts of other stuff so I will [TS]

  report back yes this will be excited but [TS]

  it's the black that not here's a [TS]

  question do you it the the wii u comes [TS]

  with them like the one controller with [TS]

  the screen in it and the deluxe set has [TS]

  like a little bass and little charger [TS]

  and comes with a game and some other [TS]

  things um it will that be sufficient for [TS]

  your testing will you because I [TS]

  understand it uses you can use like [TS]

  regular we style controllers and things [TS]

  like that with it do you feel like [TS]

  you're said it has an hdmi connector I [TS]

  mean are you set up to go is there [TS]

  anything else you'll need to give this [TS]

  the proper check out or anything I think [TS]

  I've got everything I've got a bucket [TS]

  full of like old we accessories I've got [TS]

  plenty of wiimotes and nunchuck [TS]

  controllers of course they're white not [TS]

  black but what can you do the way [TS]

  Nintendo has decided to do it stuff I [TS]

  really wish they had offered two colors [TS]

  in two different models and then I would [TS]

  have gotten a deluxe one in white right [TS]

  that's not what they did but anyway I [TS]

  have all the peripherals and I should be [TS]

  all set on everything else I I may end [TS]

  up eventually getting the the pro [TS]

  controller but I don't think you even [TS]

  need that to play any of the launch [TS]

  games or anything well I went I went to [TS]

  sort of potentially source another [TS]

  controller for you as I was resour [TS]

  researching all of this and I went and [TS]

  it's I asked first of all the pro [TS]

  controllers that they're larger they're [TS]

  more like I don't know can I say an Xbox [TS]

  style yeah they clearly look like an [TS]

  Xbox controller okay and I'm assuming [TS]

  that those are [TS]

  wireless as opposed to courted but those [TS]

  things are really tough to find like [TS]

  almost if not as hard as the Wii U [TS]

  console itself defined right now yeah I [TS]

  imagined I mean eventually I'll get [TS]

  enough peripherals and stuff like that [TS]

  but immediately I just expect to use the [TS]

  system and the transfer process from the [TS]

  wii and then play the pac ingame which [TS]

  is supposed to demonstrate all the [TS]

  different features of the you know lots [TS]

  of different games that use the [TS]

  controllers in lots of different ways so [TS]

  that'll be a good test I think what [TS]

  games will you this is yours to keep [TS]

  just to be clear this isn't you know [TS]

  this isn't a loaner this is yours well [TS]

  will you be able to get your own games [TS]

  for do we need to send some games along [TS]

  maybe we'll send some games I don't know [TS]

  how many the launch titles I'm [TS]

  interested in like I'm er actually was [TS]

  I'm meriden in the oh yeah probably that [TS]

  one although I do prefer the 3d marios [TS]

  to the 2d ones but I the Nintendo land [TS]

  game that it comes with should be [TS]

  sufficient to put the thing through its [TS]

  paces and zombie you even though it [TS]

  looks interesting to me i don't think i [TS]

  would actually play that mmm yeah so [TS]

  anyway uh so sorry to interrupt with you [TS]

  the early i guess it's gonna be a long [TS]

  show but i just wanted to ban is [TS]

  declared it yeah he has called it the [TS]

  first time alright yes this is the first [TS]

  bit is tweet from cable sasser the I [TS]

  mean intimate community member founder [TS]

  of panic software who's also a gamer and [TS]

  he tweeted that the Wii U gamepad is [TS]

  really good at pointing out AV delays in [TS]

  your home theater so he says he put his [TS]

  TV into game mode which we've talked [TS]

  about in past shows it's the mode some [TS]

  televisions have to reduce the number of [TS]

  processing steps they do to video in the [TS]

  hopes of reducing the latency between [TS]

  the time the signal hits the back of the [TS]

  TV and the time that that picture [TS]

  appears on the television and he says [TS]

  he's put his receiver in pure direct [TS]

  mode if you have a receiver between your [TS]

  game console and your television [TS]

  sometimes the receivers have a mode that [TS]

  will also not try to do any processing [TS]

  on the audio or the video or whatever [TS]

  because the reason it shows delays is [TS]

  because the wii u sends the wireless [TS]

  video signal directly to [TS]

  the gamepad and then you can see like if [TS]

  you run it where it's running the same [TS]

  thing on both screens you can see that [TS]

  wow look and you can visually without [TS]

  even measuring equipment just see that [TS]

  the gamepad is ahead of where your [TS]

  television is despite the fact that we [TS]

  talked about in the last show that the [TS]

  gamepad is actually one sixtieth of a [TS]

  second behind the signal coming out of [TS]

  the back of the wii u along the hdmi [TS]

  cable but all the other parts of your [TS]

  system may be introducing delays and it [TS]

  ends up that it looks like the gamepad [TS]

  is way ahead so that's an interesting [TS]

  result of this technology that people [TS]

  are going to find out exactly how much [TS]

  lag is in there a be setups as another [TS]

  article that someone sent along our [TS]

  bunch people sent along it is on [TS]

  VentureBeat it's the title is forget the [TS]

  sixaxis which is the name of [TS]

  Playstations terrible little controller [TS]

  with the accelerometers in it the Wii [TS]

  U's gamepad has nine axis control it's [TS]

  like the Gillette razor thing you know [TS]

  method we're doing five blades are [TS]

  that's the onion story but it became a [TS]

  reality right this preposterous they'd [TS]

  never do five blades what a joke and now [TS]

  it's like can we dude can we do 69 [TS]

  access control are there nine axes how [TS]

  many X's are there it seems like they [TS]

  should only be XY and Z but now they're [TS]

  doing 90 so if you read the article i [TS]

  linked to in the show notes you will see [TS]

  that what they're basically doing is as [TS]

  far as i can understand from this [TS]

  article adding more redundant sensors in [TS]

  an effort to be able to filter out noise [TS]

  and stuff like that so the article talks [TS]

  about the difference between you know [TS]

  accelerometers and stuff that you can [TS]

  envision kind of as like a this is not [TS]

  what they actually are but imagine a [TS]

  t-shaped wooden channel with it with a [TS]

  steel ball in it or something and if you [TS]

  tilt it the steel ball rolls to one end [TS]

  of the thing or the other and there's [TS]

  another steel ball going in the left and [TS]

  right one you know like that's measuring [TS]

  you're tilting in different axes and [TS]

  stuff and a lot of those things are just [TS]

  relative what you also need is absolute [TS]

  positioning so you can say regardless [TS]

  support I just did with this device I [TS]

  shook it I wave did I moved from left to [TS]

  right really quickly what is the [TS]

  absolute orientation with respect to you [TS]

  know basically gravity with respect to [TS]

  the earth and so you all sorts of things [TS]

  to try to figure that out including [TS]

  sensors that measure the Earth's [TS]

  magnetic field to sort of you know to [TS]

  tell where is this thing pointing in [TS]

  absolute space relative to [TS]

  the floor of your room or whatever [TS]

  regardless of how it got there how it [TS]

  shook her how it was wiggled or how you [TS]

  know so we can keep track of where it is [TS]

  and apparently the gamepad has many more [TS]

  sensors and many more sophisticated [TS]

  systems to do this even better than the [TS]

  wii motionplus it's in the existing wii [TS]

  remote controls so i'm looking forward [TS]

  to seeing how much that improves thinks [TS]

  and I really hope as does this article [TS]

  that they backport this tech to the wii [TS]

  remote controls because anything you can [TS]

  do to you know it's not like a new [TS]

  feature that we were no control supposed [TS]

  to already do this but anyone who's [TS]

  played Skyward Sword on the wii knows [TS]

  that you have to you know recenter it [TS]

  and recalibrate and do all the stuffs [TS]

  and then that we use is the IR signaled [TS]

  as a sort of less resort orientation [TS]

  mechanism where the IR signal is coming [TS]

  from the top your television in a fixed [TS]

  position I'm going to really lose itself [TS]

  if you can point it back towards the TV [TS]

  you can recalibrate it and it's kind of [TS]

  a big mess hopefully the gamepad does [TS]

  better so I'm looking forward to seeing [TS]

  how well that goes Steve holes are [TS]

  burdened with a minor point about video [TS]

  latency on the Wii U gamepad he pointed [TS]

  out the gamepad's resolution is 854 x [TS]

  480 it's not the full resolution of like [TS]

  a 1080p television which is 1920 x 1080 [TS]

  and it's not even you know 720p which is [TS]

  nineteen richest 1280 by 720 and so [TS]

  saying you know that the way you [TS]

  probably scales down the video for [TS]

  transmitting and you say well that's why [TS]

  it makes it easier doesn't need to send [TS]

  the full signal well that's bandwidth [TS]

  wise that's true but latency wise [TS]

  scaling down the signal actually adds [TS]

  latency so it's even more impressive [TS]

  that it can match take the video output [TS]

  scale it down and then send the scaled [TS]

  down version but it does mean that [TS]

  things on the gamepad might not look as [TS]

  crisp if any games are actually [TS]

  outputting 1080p however the thing about [TS]

  console games is almost all console [TS]

  games have a much smaller render target [TS]

  than the output resolution it's one of [TS]

  the tricks they do to get performance as [TS]

  they will the game will be rendered at a [TS]

  resolution that's smaller than 1080p and [TS]

  sometimes even smaller than 720p just [TS]

  and then that's that's the native pixels [TS]

  of the game edge right and then some [TS]

  other part of the GPU right before being [TS]

  out outputting the thing will just [TS]

  simply scale that image up to fill 720p [TS]

  or to fill 1080p so a lot of the and [TS]

  this should be scare quotes around a lot [TS]

  of the games and say that this game is [TS]

  in 720p or this game [TS]

  isn't a 1080p like a lot of the time the [TS]

  game is rendering at a resolution [TS]

  smaller than both of those and just [TS]

  simply upscaling for those different [TS]

  resolutions and the games that are truly [TS]

  native 1080p and 720p come more common [TS]

  with time but in the current generation [TS]

  of consoles which have similar power to [TS]

  the wii u mini games still render have [TS]

  smaller render targets than the output [TS]

  target nothing is ever simple you know [TS]

  no it isn't alright so last week i [TS]

  mentioned the idea that regular people [TS]

  who were interested in this topic could [TS]

  learn about how computers work from the [TS]

  gate level on up from you know and [TS]

  didn't and gates and stuff like that all [TS]

  the way up to how a modern computer [TS]

  works if you chop off the low end like [TS]

  not learning about chemistry and physics [TS]

  and doping and silicon chips and stuff [TS]

  like that that removes a lot of the [TS]

  really esoteric difficult understand [TS]

  stuff but from the gates on up it's [TS]

  something that really anyone can [TS]

  understand and i said that didn't know [TS]

  of any good resources to learn that you [TS]

  know other than going to school for four [TS]

  years we're just kind of burdensome and [TS]

  so i got a lot of suggestions and [TS]

  amazingly i got two suggestions [TS]

  repeatedly for many other people like it [TS]

  was basically I don't think again it's [TS]

  just two suggestions and tons of people [TS]

  suggested these few things by Twitter [TS]

  and email and stuff so they must be [TS]

  really good the first one is the book [TS]

  called code by Charles petzold at yeah [TS]

  petzl that's right the hidden language [TS]

  again from computer hardware and [TS]

  software is link in the show notes [TS]

  Kieran Healy was the first one suggested [TS]

  he says is that it begins with a lovely [TS]

  conceptual introduction to boolean logic [TS]

  and build step by step up to a tour of [TS]

  the motorola 68000 series and the intel [TS]

  8080 and from there to integrated [TS]

  motherboards and programming languages [TS]

  it's really beautifully constructed [TS]

  wonderfully clear book a minor classic [TS]

  really and someone else whose name i [TS]

  shamefully did not include in the show [TS]

  notes but emailed right after here and [TS]

  says it explains how to build a computer [TS]

  from the ground up in a very accessible [TS]

  way starts with information theory in [TS]

  Morse code and then from telegraphy you [TS]

  know using a telegraph relays to logic [TS]

  gates on words to building ram cpu and [TS]

  whatnot there's recommended by a friend [TS]

  and it blew my mind that is possible to [TS]

  explain this stuff in an accessible way [TS]

  so if you want a book to learn this [TS]

  stuff there you go charles pets olds [TS]

  code which is an older book but this [TS]

  stuff really hasn't changed and these [TS]

  second very popular suggestion was a [TS]

  website / sort of build it yourself [TS]

  course material / video series / text [TS]

  book / you know internet multimedia [TS]

  extravaganza it is called from NAND to [TS]

  Tetris building am under modern computer [TS]

  from first principles the website is [TS]

  triple w nand to the number to tetris [TS]

  org also in the show notes as the site [TS]

  says it contains all the software tools [TS]

  and project materials necessary to build [TS]

  a general-purpose computer system from [TS]

  the ground up we also provide a set of [TS]

  lecture is designed to support a typical [TS]

  course on the subject this is aimed [TS]

  students instructors and self learners [TS]

  everything is free and open source blah [TS]

  blah so there you go you have two ways [TS]

  to take a crack of this one if you just [TS]

  want to read a book that's a great book [TS]

  and if you want to sort of do it [TS]

  interactively online or watch videos or [TS]

  sort of do it do it yourself course you [TS]

  want man to tetris good old internet [TS]

  it's got something for everything this [TS]

  next one is a bit of follow-up from two [TS]

  shows ago but i missed it it was in the [TS]

  show notes somehow i missed it but my [TS]

  new thing lately i put something in the [TS]

  notes and then just scan over it it's a [TS]

  shame ah moore's law was mentioned many [TS]

  shows ago and i had said on the show [TS]

  that maybe i did maybe remember i do [TS]

  things forgetting that i've already done [TS]

  this fall if any way you can tell me i [TS]

  might say that's an i don't care how [TS]

  many times you follow people love this i [TS]

  love it that moore's law was two years [TS]

  or was one year i listed originally and [TS]

  it's actually two years is from the [TS]

  wikipedia article Moore's Law is the [TS]

  observation that blah blah blah the [TS]

  number of transistors on integrated [TS]

  circuit doubles approximately every two [TS]

  years and it says the period is often [TS]

  quoted as 18 months due to Intel [TS]

  executive David house who predicted that [TS]

  period for doubling and ship performance [TS]

  which is not quite the same thing as a [TS]

  number of transistors in his kind of a [TS]

  fudgy anyway so or was original law two [TS]

  years often quoted as 18 months and [TS]

  often misquoted by me as 12 months [TS]

  apparently so apologize for the error [TS]

  there one more random one before we get [TS]

  to some Intel arm stuff which is [TS]

  producing even more follow up this from [TS]

  Andrew Burwell he was one of the many [TS]

  people to grant me this story on makanan [TS]

  that says OS ten ten point eight point [TS]

  three beta supports the radeon HD 7900 [TS]

  series chipset [TS]

  this is nothing are straddling but it is [TS]

  exciting whenever we see a new beta of [TS]

  OS 10 with new video drivers because it [TS]

  suggests that future max are coming that [TS]

  support that include this hardware cuz [TS]

  otherwise why would I would Apple have [TS]

  drivers for it right and this hardware [TS]

  is radeon is it AMD / 80 is like top-end [TS]

  very fast video cards and where would [TS]

  they put a card like that I suppose they [TS]

  could put one in an imac maybe it'd mean [TS]

  they have room in there they could come [TS]

  up with the cooling solution but it just [TS]

  doesn't seem like what they normally do [TS]

  and so this it's heavily towards [TS]

  something Mac Pro caliber which we all [TS]

  hope is coming in 2013 again Tim Cook [TS]

  said something for people who like mac [TS]

  pros will be coming in 2013 if that [TS]

  something has this video card you know a [TS]

  card from this video card series I guess [TS]

  you would call them I would be very [TS]

  happy so all things are continuing a [TS]

  pace for 2013 resurrection of something [TS]

  that will make me happy that may or may [TS]

  not be a mac pro so thumbs up on that in [TS]

  the show notes if you would like to [TS]

  oggle the the details sugar turns 5 by 5 [TS]

  that TV such hypercritical / 96 yes [TS]

  what's the next part we have is all the [TS]

  Intel follow-up jeez it's like I have [TS]

  show all by itself e I've got Intel [TS]

  follow-up and then a couple [TS]

  miscellaneous follow-ups and then the [TS]

  shows topic the Intel foul-up could be [TS]

  long should we should we do a sponsor [TS]

  before then then you can just dive right [TS]

  in and take all the time you need but it [TS]

  gets a good idea koku that is it koku or [TS]

  Co Co Co Q coke you I've been saying it [TS]

  wrong it's a fresh approach for personal [TS]

  finance management doesn't matter how [TS]

  you say it it's designed to make [TS]

  tracking your money simple and intuitive [TS]

  and now you can get this for the mac for [TS]

  the iphone in both of the app stores [TS]

  this is what's cool about it the apps [TS]

  they sync via iCloud so your data stays [TS]

  consistent whether you're at home [TS]

  whether you're on the go and this is my [TS]

  favorite part of the app is it's got [TS]

  this smart tagging system it allows you [TS]

  to describe the transactions that you [TS]

  make in a way that's meaningful to you [TS]

  it doesn't impose its own hierarchy it [TS]

  doesn't impose buckets or cat [TS]

  it's it's about how you work how you [TS]

  track your own finances you define it [TS]

  and then you use these reports that'll [TS]

  show a personalized financial picture [TS]

  that gives it a real insight into how [TS]

  you're spending your money or not [TS]

  spending your money John based on those [TS]

  categories that you've created that is [TS]

  smart lists ooh they're kind of like [TS]

  smart playlists but there for your [TS]

  transactions so you can actually see it [TS]

  the way you want to see it they were [TS]

  featured in the mac app store but the [TS]

  great thing is that both apps are on [TS]

  sale now during this special run they're [TS]

  doing with us for half price so it's [TS]

  2999 for the mac and a 499 for the [TS]

  iphone is the regular price half price [TS]

  now half price 1499 for the mac buck 99 [TS]

  for the iphone co q app kok you AP p dot [TS]

  com go check them out Coco AB they're [TS]

  really awesome Intel well we saw that we [TS]

  got some real time follow up in the chat [TS]

  room first I've been interests if he [TS]

  thinks they'll be an improvement on the [TS]

  controls on wii games when playing on [TS]

  the wii u if they release new wiimotes [TS]

  with the new internals new improved [TS]

  internals i think there could be because [TS]

  as far as the wii system is concerned [TS]

  when we use in wii emulation well they [TS]

  would still just like look like a normal [TS]

  wii remote it would just have like you [TS]

  know it would just be more reliable more [TS]

  difficult to confuse and you know maybe [TS]

  you know it should look the same it [TS]

  should just be better so that is [TS]

  actually possible if they did that but [TS]

  it's not going to make an improvement [TS]

  who's you can't play wii games with the [TS]

  gamepad right so it's not gonna do it [TS]

  improvement too late unless they release [TS]

  improved wii u controls o mine Fed wants [TS]

  me to come back at 2013 when i get my [TS]

  new mac pro so we can have a worry about [TS]

  that if and when it happens dan Hickson [TS]

  wants to say that ogle has a long oh [TS]

  it's not oggle i always say oggle i know [TS]

  i guess it doesn't come up in [TS]

  conversation a lot but yeah he's right [TS]

  it's a long ago sorry about that all [TS]

  right intel a quick review this is all [TS]

  about apple and whether they're going to [TS]

  use intel chips and their macs and what [TS]

  Intel's position [TS]

  is relative to arm the other various arm [TS]

  CPUs and all that business so at one [TS]

  point in talking about risk and siskin [TS]

  until an arm i talked about segment [TS]

  registers on intel cpus which were used [TS]

  way back when to address memory in a [TS]

  segmented manner where your memory [TS]

  addresses in your code would be offsets [TS]

  from a segment and you'd change the [TS]

  segment register and then the offsets [TS]

  would be relative to that and all sorts [TS]

  of stuff like that which is not use [TS]

  nowadays in modern architectures but [TS]

  still exists on the cpus for backward [TS]

  compatibility and i said that how if [TS]

  they could remove one feature to [TS]

  simplify intel cpus my anonymous source [TS]

  said that segmentation would be the one [TS]

  to remove well daniel cohen wrote in to [TS]

  point out the interesting things that [TS]

  people are doing one of the interesting [TS]

  things that people are doing with the [TS]

  segment registers in Google's Native [TS]

  Client project which I have link in the [TS]

  show notes it's their way to you know [TS]

  run native code on your machine but [TS]

  delivered via the web it's not you know [TS]

  job our JavaScript or whatever they do a [TS]

  bunch of really clever hacks to run [TS]

  untrusted x86 code sort of in a sandbox [TS]

  in a way that is safer because they [TS]

  don't want you know you to load a [TS]

  webpage and then it runs arbitrary code [TS]

  on your cpu because that would be bad [TS]

  alright so they need some way to to lock [TS]

  it down and they they use segmentation [TS]

  the segment registers as a means of [TS]

  enforcing that kind of security and [TS]

  there's a paper where they describe how [TS]

  this is done it's in the show notes to [TS]

  PDF if you want to take a look at that [TS]

  other cpus of similar ways to do similar [TS]

  things it's not like segment registers [TS]

  are the only way to do this but i [TS]

  thought it was interesting because it [TS]

  shows the resourcefulness of engineers [TS]

  that they're finding something useful to [TS]

  do with a feature it's not no longer [TS]

  needed for its old intended purpose but [TS]

  still exists on the hardware for [TS]

  backward compatibility reasons i we can [TS]

  use the hardware for something so that's [TS]

  interesting and then the second use is [TS]

  from andrew oh goodness andrew big house [TS]

  goss oh goodness i got nothing on that [TS]

  one sv e ik au s Kas sorry andrew should [TS]

  have practiced it's amazing how i copy [TS]

  and paste these names into my show [TS]

  moment and never think that you know you [TS]

  can have to say this name maybe take a [TS]

  look at it now [TS]

  so like during the show you aren't [TS]

  surprised but but you know there you go [TS]

  eight points out that the x86 segment [TS]

  registers are used to define privilege [TS]

  levels you know ring 0 ring one whatever [TS]

  in in windows are in you know some x86 [TS]

  operating systems and windows also uses [TS]

  them for thread-local storage and if you [TS]

  don't know what that ring 0 businesses I [TS]

  put a link in the show notes to the [TS]

  relevant Wikipedia page it's about [TS]

  protection domains where the most [TS]

  privileged code runs in ring 0 I hope I [TS]

  got that right or not backwards and you [TS]

  know see you I you the code runs in a [TS]

  different ring it has different [TS]

  privileges and stuff like that so that's [TS]

  another interesting use of the segment [TS]

  registers but just maybe closer to their [TS]

  intended purpose but still kind of weird [TS]

  let me check that out if you're [TS]

  interesting alright moving on to the [TS]

  meteor business stuff here 9to5 mac had [TS]

  a story this week with a great prefix [TS]

  you know they do that bunch of words [TS]

  colon and then the headline so they're [TS]

  they're prefixes wild speculation Cohen [TS]

  alright well you know you're being [TS]

  you're being honest right wild [TS]

  speculation Cohen y 2 billion dollar AMD [TS]

  purchase would be a puzzle piece fit for [TS]

  Apple hmm way to turn a phrase their [TS]

  puzzle piece fit okay that link is in [TS]

  the show notes the idea is hey hey guys [TS]

  what have happened what AMD because they [TS]

  make x86 CPUs and even though Apple thus [TS]

  far has not chosen to go with them [TS]

  because intel has better CPUs for less [TS]

  money that use less power that are [TS]

  faster and blah blah blah blah blah AMD [TS]

  might have some good stuff too yeah [TS]

  they're out there trying to sell their [TS]

  texas campus to raise money and then [TS]

  they want to like get it back they're [TS]

  gonna sell it unlikely sit back for ya [TS]

  something i don't know it's weird yeah [TS]

  but like and the reason this comes up as [TS]

  cuz AMD is like as is not doing that [TS]

  well like so people you know people look [TS]

  at it and look into a plane maybe Apple [TS]

  could buy them because hey maybe you get [TS]

  a cheap cuz like they're not doing [TS]

  terribly but in the Intel vs AMD war [TS]

  which it once looked like AMD might be [TS]

  getting the upper hand now it's like oh [TS]

  poor AMD right so yeah I mean Intel's [TS]

  got its own problems too but AMD may be [TS]

  a bargain so thinking about this I mean [TS]

  first of all Apple certainly has the [TS]

  money you know they [TS]

  of a 100 billion or more in cash and you [TS]

  know AMD they could buy for only a [TS]

  couple billion so yeah it's bargain and [TS]

  it would be a way to get some really [TS]

  great CPU and GPU town because remember [TS]

  AMD bought a TI and so they've got the [TS]

  all the people from ati are part of that [TS]

  that deal and those guys really no [TS]

  high-end GPUs and that's some great [TS]

  talent and as much as I'm loath to even [TS]

  think about things like this I'm sure [TS]

  they have tons of patents from a TI and [TS]

  AMD is probably got its own patents and [TS]

  AMD as we noted before is the one who [TS]

  invented x86 64 and yeah so there are [TS]

  valuable assets in AMD I don't but the [TS]

  thing about it is I don't think Apple [TS]

  really wants to continue making CPUs and [TS]

  GPUs so if they bought AMD it would [TS]

  probably mean the end of selling x86 CPU [TS]

  to PC clone makers and it might even be [TS]

  the end of selling discrete GPUs to you [TS]

  know PC makers like they would just [TS]

  become oh this is our new cpu and GPU [TS]

  team and i don't even know how you swing [TS]

  that because they're all geographically [TS]

  I you know diverse and located in [TS]

  different offices all over the place and [TS]

  there's tons of weird redundancy with [TS]

  apple and it seems to me that a buyout [TS]

  would mean the end of AMD as we know it [TS]

  Apple would get the patents but I don't [TS]

  know how much of the staff they would [TS]

  retain it would be like an expensive [TS]

  ugly unreliable way to buy talent but on [TS]

  the other hand I this article points out [TS]

  and as Apple said itself and its press [TS]

  release about the big mens rea move shop [TS]

  reshuffle to be talked about a few shows [TS]

  ago Apple did say it has quote ambitious [TS]

  plans for the future unquote for its [TS]

  semiconductor teams so that would sure [TS]

  be ambitious you know by AMD and try to [TS]

  make your own stuff using all those [TS]

  talented teams it just it just seems [TS]

  like a not a particularly easy business [TS]

  deal to me and part of me is like if you [TS]

  wait long enough they might go out of [TS]

  business and you can scoop those guys up [TS]

  for a lot less money you know yeah or [TS]

  Intel would just hire them all I mean [TS]

  with hiring people people like to think [TS]

  it's like oh if we if we get AMD we get [TS]

  all those people are we can hire all [TS]

  those people's like no because they all [TS]

  live all over the country and especially [TS]

  apple doesn't really like people to be [TS]

  like they like to have you in California [TS]

  if they can help but especially if [TS]

  you're you know working on some mage [TS]

  part of their product strategy they have [TS]

  different campuses in other places and [TS]

  stuff but they really don't like [TS]

  telecommuting and it would be very [TS]

  difficult to sort of take all of AMD [TS]

  scattered people from AMD proper and a [TS]

  TI and somehow make remote campuses or [TS]

  research facilities that contribute to [TS]

  is just I don't you know you like it [TS]

  those people say oh well we're all going [TS]

  to move our families to California and [TS]

  live right near and cheese yeah it's [TS]

  it's very difficult to hire people not [TS]

  because you can't pay them enough or [TS]

  they don't like you but because they [TS]

  want to live where they live like that [TS]

  is a big factor in hiring people if [TS]

  you're raising a family a certain place [TS]

  you know it's very difficult for any [TS]

  employer to convince you for any [TS]

  reasonable lot of money to uproot your [TS]

  entire family move someplace else [TS]

  alright next story is from semi accurate [TS]

  which is a clever website name and from [TS]

  what glean from reading couple of [TS]

  stories there it is accurate yeah right [TS]

  the title d sensational title is Intel [TS]

  kills off the desktop pcs go with it [TS]

  this is an article from someone who [TS]

  obviously does not like this decision [TS]

  bemoaning the fact that broadwell will [TS]

  not come in an LG a package so that no [TS]

  more removable CPU so broad whale is the [TS]

  14 nanometer shrink of Haswell coming [TS]

  you know after as well uh and intel has [TS]

  said that they're not going to give you [TS]

  one of those on an LG a package LGA [TS]

  stands for land grid array and it's like [TS]

  a mounting mechanism for the cpu and [TS]

  this kind of mounting mechanism has pins [TS]

  on the motherboard and then you put [TS]

  that's why it's called like a land grid [TS]

  i guess give the little pins are on the [TS]

  land and you put the chip on top of it [TS]

  and sort of clamp it down and the chins [TS]

  the chips got little contacts and they [TS]

  push down on the pins so the pins are in [TS]

  the socket and not on the little chip [TS]

  itself and basically this lets [TS]

  motherboard makers make a motherboard [TS]

  and they just have a little square hole [TS]

  where are you you by the cpu separately [TS]

  pick whichever one you want from a [TS]

  certain compatible range and stick it in [TS]

  here MSD know it's killing the pc [TS]

  introduce I all we all are all of these [TS]

  things are going to be soldered to the [TS]

  logic board that means the only people [TS]

  who can make logic boards or you know [TS]

  that you can all have to buy the whole [TS]

  unit you can't you know shop around I'm [TS]

  gonna buy this motherboard and cpu and [TS]

  this hard drive [TS]

  this video card and plug it all together [TS]

  I obviously don't care about this [TS]

  because i don't like building pcs that [TS]

  way and intel obviously either doesn't [TS]

  think that's the future is just trying [TS]

  to rest more control over we talked two [TS]

  before a last show about trying to intel [TS]

  trying to get more control over its [TS]

  products by making a system where it [TS]

  controls more of the components so we [TS]

  can make it all them low voltage and all [TS]

  them work together and not be [TS]

  power-hungry and to do that it's rather [TS]

  than trying to coerce everyone else into [TS]

  doing is making like a speck and say you [TS]

  must use this you must use that and [TS]

  maybe we'll just make the entire [TS]

  motherboard and solder the cpu wander [TS]

  and this is what you get and tough luck [TS]

  which is a big change from the old days [TS]

  where everyone would do their little [TS]

  business and stick to their knitting and [TS]

  this guy would make the cpu and this guy [TS]

  would make the motherboard chipset in [TS]

  this guy would make the actual [TS]

  motherboard and then assemblers would [TS]

  build them all together yeah and that [TS]

  that sort of interchangeable parts type [TS]

  thing is definitely falling by the [TS]

  wayside in favor of deeply vertically [TS]

  integrated products all the way down to [TS]

  the motherboard where you know [TS]

  everything squished onto his few chips [TS]

  as possible and then one company is [TS]

  responsible for building the entire [TS]

  system and it's not like a mix-and-match [TS]

  thing piece mix-and-match leads to mix [TS]

  and match as we talked about I think in [TS]

  a show a while ago leads to devices that [TS]

  look like typical dell laptops from a [TS]

  few years ago and they do not look like [TS]

  MacBook Airs of today where every single [TS]

  part is custom and everything is [TS]

  soldered on including the RAM and that [TS]

  the battery is non-removable and it's [TS]

  just a a custom-designed thing from the [TS]

  ground up like a phone and that's [TS]

  clearly the way things are going so you [TS]

  know I'm not surprised by the change I [TS]

  don't have a problem with it but some [TS]

  people are upset alright next few bits [TS]

  here are about what the heck Apple is [TS]

  going to do for its next series of CPUs [TS]

  both for max and for handheld stuffs the [TS]

  first story is more estetica headline is [TS]

  apple may tap TSMC to move the a series [TS]

  mobile chips to 28 nanometer process [TS]

  TSMC is Thailand Taiwan Semiconductor [TS]

  Manufacturing Corporation and the [TS]

  stories about how currently Samsung is [TS]

  the sole source for the a5 the a6 and [TS]

  the a6 s processors right and Samsung [TS]

  and Apple don't particularly get along [TS]

  lately [TS]

  they're busy suing each other or patents [TS]

  Samsung is busy aping the look and feel [TS]

  of apples devices and stores and you [TS]

  know who knows maybe they're giving [TS]

  their employees haircuts the same as [TS]

  apples and blight haircuts they're [TS]

  definitely copying Apple talked about [TS]

  this in the show where I called their [TS]

  behavior dishonorable whether or not [TS]

  it's illegal or immoral and I thing like [TS]

  that it's certainly dishonorable but [TS]

  Samsung is the only other big player in [TS]

  the market that's making profit in the [TS]

  smartphone business and so Apple and [TS]

  Samsung are going head-to-head here it's [TS]

  kind of bad when you're paying your [TS]

  competitor billions of dollars to [TS]

  manufacture the critical components of [TS]

  your most popular product so I upholster [TS]

  looking for a way out there but so far [TS]

  Samsung has you know it's the best been [TS]

  the best bet the best game in town for [TS]

  manufacturing these parts and a lot of [TS]

  the earlier parts like the a foreign [TS]

  stuff used samsung technology samsung [TS]

  design samsung resources to get done and [TS]

  the a6 is moved much farther away from [TS]

  that where apple's doing design and [TS]

  house and trying to use sams lima like a [TS]

  fab so they're trying to extricate [TS]

  themselves from samsung when the [TS]

  question is who else out there can make [TS]

  the number of chips that that Apple [TS]

  needs at the process they want and this [TS]

  article speculating about them moving to [TS]

  TSMC which is just a fab they'll make [TS]

  your thing you give them the design [TS]

  they'll make it for you and it's [TS]

  possibility that's one of the places I [TS]

  go I think we mentioned this a couple [TS]

  shows you as well the article points out [TS]

  that TSMC a recently rebuffed attempts [TS]

  from both Apple and Qualcomm to gain [TS]

  exclusive access to its fab capacity so [TS]

  Apple and Qualcomm have both been [TS]

  courting TSMC to say sign an exclusive [TS]

  contract you will only make stuff for us [TS]

  at this process note in this factory and [TS]

  they don't want to do it because that's [TS]

  like hemming them in they want to be a [TS]

  free agent you know everyone comes to me [TS]

  will will fab for the highest bidder but [TS]

  we don't want to get locked into just [TS]

  one bidder there so it's interesting [TS]

  dance there and the other question is do [TS]

  they have the capacity are they going to [TS]

  be able to compete again they're talking [TS]

  about 28-nanometer here they're not [TS]

  talking about 22 which Intel's currently [TS]

  fab again that's certainly not talking [TS]

  about 14 which Intel is going to be [TS]

  fabbing out by next year so they're [TS]

  trying to make a deal for next year to [TS]

  do 28-nanometer having the interesting [TS]

  thing about this article and why part in [TS]

  the show notes is that it has one of [TS]

  those great promoted comments that are [TS]

  technica does were they read the [TS]

  comments and [TS]

  mote one of the better ones so that it [TS]

  appears alongside the article because [TS]

  normally on our Zhou comments are hidden [TS]

  entirely unless you click on something [TS]

  so this one is from Sur Omega ours he is [TS]

  a commenter and not an arse writer and [TS]

  he says it will happen meaning that [TS]

  Apple's going to go to TSMC but TSMC [TS]

  needs to beef up capacity they need to [TS]

  get on board with apple style vendor [TS]

  financing that goes with most of apples [TS]

  suppliers were apple fronts the money [TS]

  for the machines in this case [TS]

  28-nanometer fab and then the vendor [TS]

  pays them back over time for all the [TS]

  chips that are made so that's the way [TS]

  Apple does business with these things is [TS]

  that it will put it's something we use [TS]

  some is tremendous capital to fund the [TS]

  creation of these things or to buy [TS]

  machines like for the aluminum machining [TS]

  and stuff like that and enter into sort [TS]

  of financial dear ones like we buy the [TS]

  stuff for you and then you pay us back [TS]

  in the product you create I'm not sure [TS]

  why they structure the deal this way it [TS]

  shirts some sort of business thing cook [TS]

  ism thing that I don't understand but [TS]

  the two his two points are one the TSMC [TS]

  needs tons of capacity because can be [TS]

  very difficult to to fulfill apples [TS]

  orders and to TSMC needs to get used to [TS]

  this kind of financial arrangement [TS]

  because apparently it's what Apple wants [TS]

  and he says see the purported investment [TS]

  in sharps new igzo LCD facilities are [TS]

  also getting pulled into 2012 IGZO is [TS]

  indium gallium zinc oxide show link in [TS]

  the show notes to the Wikipedia page [TS]

  explaining it's a process for making [TS]

  lcds but is another type of investment [TS]

  where Apple will front the money and [TS]

  then you get paid back in parts that are [TS]

  made Cyril mega RS continues based on [TS]

  the timetables I've read for the [TS]

  migration to 20 nanometers I don't [TS]

  expect that Apple to get it here this [TS]

  year Apple does a cute three launch of [TS]

  the next iPhones and iPads we could see [TS]

  an a7 chip built on 28 nanometer for the [TS]

  2013 products and a8 chip built on 20 [TS]

  nanometer for the 2014 product so here [TS]

  in this speculation he's saying in 2014 [TS]

  Apple could be on 20 nanometer but it's [TS]

  kind of depressing if you consider that [TS]

  Intel's on 22 nanometer now and by 2013 [TS]

  is going to be on 14 nanometer but [TS]

  anyway continuing waiting another full [TS]

  year for 20 nanometer is no big deal for [TS]

  Apple since the biggest power drain is [TS]

  out of their control the LCDs and the [TS]

  cellular radio is consumed far more than [TS]

  the CPU does [TS]

  that's kind of true but like it's not [TS]

  out of their control like that's why [TS]

  they're trying to invest in LCD things [TS]

  they're trying to get the the power the [TS]

  power consumption of the LCD is now and [TS]

  cellular radio stuff I wouldn't assume [TS]

  that so out of their control because one [TS]

  of the things that I thought about when [TS]

  they said ambitious plan for [TS]

  semiconductor is what if Apple starts to [TS]

  get into the cell radio business to try [TS]

  to make super low power stuff the [TS]

  commenter continues switching to IGZO [TS]

  and I wonderful is the way you pronounce [TS]

  that without reading the letters anyway [TS]

  especially to IGZO we should we should [TS]

  leave leave that alone yes and [TS]

  Qualcomm's third gen LTE chips will cut [TS]

  power usage enough to make a red an ipad [TS]

  or ipad many thin again so you're saying [TS]

  that just by getting the lower power [TS]

  screens and and new LTE chipsets from [TS]

  qualcomm or whoever and a lower process [TS]

  size that will cut power usage enough [TS]

  for her you know things like the ipad [TS]

  mini to go retina or four to make the [TS]

  the big ipad thinner again even if [TS]

  they're only on 20 nanometer by that [TS]

  point so that is one commenters opinion [TS]

  there i thought it was interesting next [TS]

  article is a similar vintage it's from [TS]

  fortune if samsung doesn't supply apples [TS]

  processors who will so here is an [TS]

  analyst i meet dari jaani jaani dari [TS]

  jaani jaani like that it's a nice little [TS]

  bullet point list of all right who if [TS]

  it's not going to be Samsung who can fab [TS]

  for Apple and he gives a couple choices [TS]

  one is Intel and here is this the quote [TS]

  about this intel has fat has three [TS]

  foundry partners including a bunch of [TS]

  names of companies that i'm not going to [TS]

  try to pronounce until is currently [TS]

  ahead of arm by one point five [TS]

  generations plus FinFET FinFET as an [TS]

  arrangement a physical arrangement of [TS]

  the stuff on the silicon chip the 3d [TS]

  transistor type thing which is a way of [TS]

  making transistors with a different [TS]

  different layout of layers on top of [TS]

  each other anyway comparing 22 nanometer [TS]

  x86 SMI chips to apples arm-based 32 [TS]

  nanometer this gap could widen is until [TS]

  moves to 14 nanometer production in 2014 [TS]

  a notable dynamic would be by becoming a [TS]

  foundry for Apple it may dilute its own [TS]

  mobile ambitions blah blah blah so [TS]

  there's Intel's one option we talked [TS]

  about that last time the next is a TSMC [TS]

  that we just talked about [TS]

  they would have to expend a lot of money [TS]

  to get their capacity up to apples needs [TS]

  and then GlobalFoundries is another one [TS]

  there apparently working on 20 nanometer [TS]

  process but again questions about if [TS]

  they have the capacity to fab that many [TS]

  and the final option is go vertical what [TS]

  have apple decides to do their own thing [TS]

  build their own fabs he says this is [TS]

  unlikely but you know you can't get [TS]

  anything out when a company has a [TS]

  hundred billion dollars and says it has [TS]

  ambitious semiconductor plans so who [TS]

  knows so there are some shopkins there [TS]

  and finally the most late-breaking one [TS]

  here is from our friend philip [TS]

  elmer-dewitt also it for any other [TS]

  friend of the show yes in our enter [TS]

  Apple 2 point 0 section of their site [TS]

  says RBC Intel and talks with Apple to [TS]

  build iphone processors so here you go [TS]

  this is another person from the same [TS]

  analyst group saying a speculation you [TS]

  are acknowledging this has been [TS]

  speculation about until fabbing here's [TS]

  how such a deal might work and I don't [TS]

  know if is one of those things like [TS]

  here's how this such a deal might work [TS]

  int int like it's based on information [TS]

  on that you can't say or if it's just [TS]

  plain old speculation like I imagine [TS]

  this is how it could work it seems to me [TS]

  that this type of story wouldn't get [TS]

  published if there wasn't some [TS]

  underlying seed of truth like someone at [TS]

  Intel mentioned that they had proposed [TS]

  this or that they might consider it or [TS]

  who knows but anyway the deal is it be [TS]

  possible fantasy speculated deal is [TS]

  until would agree to use apples [TS]

  preferred architecture for the iPhone [TS]

  meaning they would fab ARM chips in [TS]

  return Apple would agree to switch to [TS]

  x86 in the iPad we talked about last [TS]

  show how intel has a roadmap of chips [TS]

  that will eventually be in a power [TS]

  envelope that can fit an iPad scale [TS]

  device so maybe that's the deal maybe [TS]

  until the locate look will fab your [TS]

  chips for your little tiny phones and [TS]

  iPods and stuff and we'll fab your arm [TS]

  chips using our awesome process in [TS]

  return you agree to put x86 in your [TS]

  iPad's huh I don't know if Apple would [TS]

  agree to that because it would be weird [TS]

  you have to start building fat binaries [TS]

  for the App Store and I don't know but [TS]

  there you go and according to this [TS]

  analyst what's his name something [TS]

  Friedman apples demand for 12-inch [TS]

  system-on-a-chip wafers could be not [TS]

  that they're 12 inch chips but the [TS]

  wafers or 12 inch [TS]

  could approach 415,000 outstripping [TS]

  Samsung's ability to supply so be this [TS]

  question keeps coming up not just [TS]

  because apple hates Samsung but it seems [TS]

  like Samsung doesn't even have the fab [TS]

  capacity to manufacture as many chips as [TS]

  Apple's going to need in 2013 so they [TS]

  got to go to somebody so I mean [TS]

  obviously Samsung could increase its fab [TS]

  capacity but seems like apples looking [TS]

  for a way out and so they're looking for [TS]

  someone with more capacity and he says [TS]

  we believe that intel has the upper hand [TS]

  due to limitations of capacity at the [TS]

  alternative sources chiefly TSMC and [TS]

  GlobalFoundries so this is why he's this [TS]

  analyst is leaning on the Intel can I [TS]

  was like look no we don't think anyone [TS]

  else has the capacity no matter how much [TS]

  money Apple spends on it i guess if they [TS]

  build them new fabs and stuff like that [TS]

  the apples best bet is Intel because [TS]

  intel has the capacity we talked about [TS]

  in LA intel has been expanding its [TS]

  capacity of its 14 animator things [TS]

  seemingly far beyond what it needs to [TS]

  manufacture its own stuff perhaps in [TS]

  preparation for to say hey Apple you [TS]

  know we're not only we have the best [TS]

  process we also have the most capacity [TS]

  let's do a deal but those x86 trips in [TS]

  the iPad and we'll fab your arm chips [TS]

  more stuff to watch and finally on the [TS]

  Intel topic finally on the Intel top [TS]

  this is our good old anonymous source [TS]

  from last show back with some more all [TS]

  right bits yes love this guy or Guzman [TS]

  we don't know it we're just gonna go [TS]

  with guys via the gender-neutral [TS]

  anonymous choice right now um last show [TS]

  i talked about how as well was like a [TS]

  slightly wider architecture than the Ivy [TS]

  Bridge chips it wasn't a big radical [TS]

  change he replied back with some other [TS]

  additional changes that he thought were [TS]

  significant I still say they're not as [TS]

  significant as like you know the change [TS]

  from netburst decor or whatever but [TS]

  they're worth noting as well adds fused [TS]

  multiply ad or f MA as it's often [TS]

  abbreviated which is the feature the [TS]

  PowerPC chaps I think altivec had for [TS]

  ages ago was one of those things that we [TS]

  set out as an advantage of the old [TS]

  PowerPC architecture but anyway fuse [TS]

  multiply ad is where it was what it [TS]

  sounds like you you multiply two [TS]

  products two numbers together and you [TS]

  take the product that multiplication and [TS]

  you add it to an accumulator and it's a [TS]

  very common operation [TS]

  doing like lots of 3d math and vector [TS]

  math and stuff like that and if you make [TS]

  hardware for it where you can say do do [TS]

  a fuse multiply ad and it's like a [TS]

  single instruction instead of having to [TS]

  multiply the two numbers together take [TS]

  the resultant edge or another one it's [TS]

  common enough that it's worth being [TS]

  built into hardware and so as well has [TS]

  that and I think it's part of a VX to a [TS]

  VX is there vector extension that that's [TS]

  you know we had SSC one two or three and [TS]

  four now they've got a B X and avx2 so [TS]

  you can see how that's going and he says [TS]

  this has huge implications for [TS]

  high-performance computing which is [TS]

  probably true and also there's software [TS]

  trent not software to the actual menu [TS]

  hardware support for transactional [TS]

  memory transactional memory is confusing [TS]

  and esoteric I've put a link into the [TS]

  show notes for Ars Technica article [TS]

  titled transactional memory going [TS]

  mainstream with intel has as well the [TS]

  I'll try to summarize transactional [TS]

  memory the gist of transactional memory [TS]

  is rather than the old way of when you [TS]

  have multiple threads modifying the same [TS]

  data structures in memory of like having [TS]

  a lock were some guy grabs and locking [TS]

  Sissoko everyone else I've got the lock [TS]

  I'm gonna fiddle with this data [TS]

  structure and it fiddles with it secure [TS]

  that no one else could possibly be [TS]

  fiddling with it because they would all [TS]

  try to grab the lock and he has it [TS]

  thinks it's nope you can't grab block [TS]

  I've got it when he's done he releases [TS]

  the lock and then someone else goes oh I [TS]

  need the lock and grabs the lock [TS]

  modifies the memory and so on so forth [TS]

  lock based you know resolving contention [TS]

  with the lock is all well and good [TS]

  except this is problems about how [TS]

  granular do you make the locks like do [TS]

  you put a lock on an entire giant data [TS]

  structure you just put locks on little [TS]

  parts of it and is you know does the [TS]

  lock block out everybody in the entire [TS]

  universe or just blocks out people who [TS]

  want to my brother by this one section [TS]

  so lock granularity is a problem also [TS]

  writing lock based code like writing the [TS]

  code for it if you if you have someone [TS]

  forget to grab the lock and they just [TS]

  modify it accidentally you've got a [TS]

  problem so you have to make sure [TS]

  everyone grabs lock make sure locks are [TS]

  grabbed on the right order or else you [TS]

  get deadlock and all the other things [TS]

  that are difficult to deal with so [TS]

  transactional memory is supposed to be [TS]

  so it's sometimes called like lock free [TS]

  programming where you don't try to grab [TS]

  a lock and what happens that everyone [TS]

  just tries to do everything at once with [TS]

  the idea that in most cases there won't [TS]

  be a conflict because the lock thing is [TS]

  like always preventative like oh if [TS]

  anything goes wrong you know we [TS]

  something we could [TS]

  conflict with each other so I better [TS]

  grab this lock and maybe it's the case [TS]

  that there would have been no conflict [TS]

  in the car it's like cars going through [TS]

  an intersection with no traffic light [TS]

  maybe they do subtle will sail past each [TS]

  other and no one would have hit each [TS]

  other would have been fine why does [TS]

  everyone always have to have this lock [TS]

  as it slows down traffic so [TS]

  transactional memory is like no box just [TS]

  try to do what you were going to do and [TS]

  then the CPU keeps track in this case [TS]

  hardware transactional memory the CPU [TS]

  keeps track of whether there actually [TS]

  was a collision so everybody just tries [TS]

  to do what they're going to do and at [TS]

  the end of it says all right everyone [TS]

  did what they were going to do did [TS]

  someone else try to do something at the [TS]

  same time you were doing it and if they [TS]

  did they'll say oops oh that didn't work [TS]

  out we had a collision it will roll back [TS]

  everything you did and say you've got to [TS]

  try that over because you had a [TS]

  collision it's sort of like optimistic [TS]

  locking but not really but anyway it's a [TS]

  way for you for the programmer to write [TS]

  their programs without having to grab [TS]

  locks and everything as long as they can [TS]

  handle the fact that in there in the [TS]

  hopefully rare case where there is a [TS]

  collision they will just be asked to [TS]

  retry their operation it's like it's [TS]

  basically the opposite is expecting [TS]

  there not to be a conflict and handling [TS]

  when there is instead of expecting there [TS]

  to be a conflict in preventing it from [TS]

  ever happen and so this as well has this [TS]

  as hardware support with this feature [TS]

  and it does it in a particularly clever [TS]

  way such the same binary can run [TS]

  correctly on both ships that do and [TS]

  don't support transactional memory [TS]

  features so they have like a little [TS]

  prefix on their instructions and Haswell [TS]

  processors will honor the prefix and use [TS]

  the transactional memory stuff and the [TS]

  rollback stuff but other processes will [TS]

  ignore the prefix and just treated as a [TS]

  locked command so you can write the same [TS]

  code and an old process it just runs [TS]

  like lock code like all these things [TS]

  crowd to grab grab the lock and wait if [TS]

  they can't get it and you know works the [TS]

  old way but has well process it will try [TS]

  to do the transaction of everything and [TS]

  you know roll everything back of it [TS]

  conflicted but if it didn't it'll sail [TS]

  right through so i have my own personal [TS]

  doubts about the practical usefulness of [TS]

  transactional memory as do many other [TS]

  people because it's been implemented in [TS]

  software before and has not set the [TS]

  world on fire despite the theoretical [TS]

  usefulness of it may be implementing a [TS]

  hardware will help but i'm not sure how [TS]

  many people use these features or how [TS]

  many people have code that is a [TS]

  contention bound or that actually maybe [TS]

  the locking code as annoying it is to [TS]

  the right maybe it will actually still [TS]

  perform better or maybe it's more [TS]

  difficult to handle the conflict cases [TS]

  in the case [TS]

  transaction ah don't know but it's there [TS]

  so that's a speculative feature and it [TS]

  may turn out to be significant and may [TS]

  just be like oh well I didn't quite work [TS]

  out and also the cache bandwidth on as [TS]

  well has doubled without any latency [TS]

  penalty this person like to point out so [TS]

  I put a link in the show notes that [TS]

  anonymous recommended to the real world [TS]

  tech article on the haswell cpu [TS]

  architecture you can read all about it [TS]

  oh and one more thing about I imagine [TS]

  else unless show about has well being [TS]

  able to wake up and sleep really quickly [TS]

  as a way to save memory by keeping [TS]

  everything shut down and I also [TS]

  mentioned how until was you know on [TS]

  people but voltage regulators and stuff [TS]

  like that why voltage reg goes keep [TS]

  coming up but I must have read this and [TS]

  had it in the back of my mind why was [TS]

  such an issue is that Intel's Haswell [TS]

  has an on divulge regulator and that [TS]

  allows it to wake up and sleep even more [TS]

  quickly because I'm die but also it [TS]

  allows it to make sure that the chip is [TS]

  only using the voltage that it actually [TS]

  needs to do whatever its being asked to [TS]

  you so if half the chip is shut down [TS]

  because you know you don't need those [TS]

  execution units for this particular [TS]

  micro second or whatever it's kind of a [TS]

  shame if the voltage regulator is still [TS]

  sending the chip like the full voltage [TS]

  it would normally need if everything was [TS]

  turned on so that source says the real [TS]

  benefit is that it allows Intel to [TS]

  throttle voltage very quickly so we can [TS]

  operate at the most efficient voltage [TS]

  for the for the given workload and since [TS]

  vaulted has a quadratic effect on the [TS]

  power consumption it's great that you [TS]

  know it's not just linear if you have [TS]

  the voltage you have not just have the [TS]

  power as also you know a nice savings of [TS]

  having thing on die instead of having a [TS]

  separate chip or whatever so it's [TS]

  another advantage of has well there and [TS]

  finally this is this is the most [TS]

  interesting part of this anonymous [TS]

  feedback last show I spent a little [TS]

  while talking about tick tock and how I [TS]

  thought it was weird like one thing was [TS]

  a tick when I thought it should be a [TS]

  talk because it seemed to me that it was [TS]

  like tick the important thing and then [TS]

  talk and then tick and then the little [TS]

  talk and I expected tick to be like Oh a [TS]

  brand new architecture and then talk [TS]

  would be just be shrinking and many [TS]

  people sent me mnemonics to remember it [TS]

  saying well tick has an eye in it and [TS]

  shrink has an ISO tick is the shrink or [TS]

  just remember is the opposite of the way [TS]

  you think it is or whatever but this [TS]

  source says the reason in dell has tick [TS]

  first is that it thinks it was so [TS]

  was a manufacturing company first and a [TS]

  design house second so the reason tick [TS]

  is the important thing like they agree [TS]

  apparently agree with me that tick is [TS]

  like the big important thing and that's [TS]

  the shrink the shrinking is the [TS]

  important part look at us we're Intel [TS]

  we've shrunk process again now the [TS]

  smallest feature size has gone down the [TS]

  talk is yet we'll make new architecture [TS]

  or whatever but tick you know we'll do [TS]

  another shrink at another example the [TS]

  source says is that intel says tape in [TS]

  instead of taping out we heard the term [TS]

  taping out never heard that never come [TS]

  on no you build pcs yours know what I [TS]

  heard now tapping out yeah that's [TS]

  different so taping out is when you're [TS]

  done designing a processor I think it [TS]

  has to do with in that use actual tape [TS]

  to sort of lay out how the chip was [TS]

  going to be laid out but anyway the term [TS]

  holds on it so you're done designing how [TS]

  the process is going to do you tape out [TS]

  and you send this design to your fab and [TS]

  they build the thing that you've taped [TS]

  out right an Intel calls it taping in [TS]

  the source so this is probably help it [TS]

  at healthy attitude because Intel didn't [TS]

  have a process advantage there's not [TS]

  much the design team could do to keep [TS]

  x86 competitive with the arm ecosystem [TS]

  at this point so taping inverse is [TS]

  taping out it's a difference in mindset [TS]

  there's no different than what actually [TS]

  happens like they still you know send [TS]

  the design to the fabric Intel design [TS]

  files are converted to fab file formats [TS]

  verified by the fab and then the masks [TS]

  are created the difference is in mindset [TS]

  in design shops they tape out to the fab [TS]

  when the fab receives them they tape in [TS]

  so Intel calls it tape in as a way of [TS]

  making teams understand how until [TS]

  identifies itself it's taping in they [TS]

  get you know Intel gets the design from [TS]

  all those designer guys who actually [TS]

  make the chip taping in to us Intel [TS]

  Intel doesn't tape out to anyone they [TS]

  tape in from the people who designed the [TS]

  chips so it's interesting and I had I [TS]

  would not have guessed that Intel [TS]

  thought of itself this way I would have [TS]

  thought of thought that Intel probably [TS]

  found itself as a great designer of [TS]

  chips that happens to have great fabs [TS]

  and this source seems to say that Intel [TS]

  thinks of itself as an amazing [TS]

  manufacturer that just happens to have a [TS]

  team of people who design chips it did [TS]

  then manufacturers after they tape in [TS]

  the designs tap it out and and this is I [TS]

  didn't plan this but here you go right [TS]

  after it the we're going to the [TS]

  miscellaneous follow up about tape cell [TS]

  scotch tape I thought we'd put this to [TS]

  bed no not possible apparently some [TS]

  follow up on the bed oh I'd mentioned [TS]

  the sticky back plastic and that some TV [TS]

  show was ridiculed for using sticky back [TS]

  plastic this clarification from Mike [TS]

  Richmond says sticky back plastic refers [TS]

  to fab lon I think it's a name brand [TS]

  it's the generic name for the you know [TS]

  the brand name is fab lon it's think [TS]

  about plastic as a generic name the BBC [TS]

  show that was infamous for using sticky [TS]

  back plastic was called Blue Peter and [TS]

  it seemed to require it for almost all [TS]

  day Aug that implement shows yes it was [TS]

  the frequent usage of sticky back [TS]

  plastic which was the subject of [TS]

  derision and parody not the fact that [TS]

  they were using the term to mean sticky [TS]

  tape biggest Iggy back plastic is like a [TS]

  big clear plastic sheet that happens to [TS]

  be sticky it's not tape and so I googled [TS]

  what the hell blue peter is and [TS]

  apparently the wikipedia page says the [TS]

  first broadcast in 1958 is the world's [TS]

  longest-running children's television [TS]

  program but then they spelled program [TS]

  with an e because you know it's British [TS]

  yeah they're fancy over there yeah so [TS]

  there you go stinky back plastic not the [TS]

  same thing as sticky tape or sellotape [TS]

  show that used it not ridiculed for [TS]

  using the term but because they use the [TS]

  material all the time and apparently the [TS]

  name brand is fab lon babe blonde fat [TS]

  blonde battlin sure yeah and finally the [TS]

  last people's piece of follow-up boy [TS]

  this is a follow-up heavy shower I would [TS]

  like to wish happy birthday to joshua [TS]

  jones AKA mine fat who was in our chat [TS]

  room right now Wow maker of nintendo [TS]

  icons uh uh that i collected way back in [TS]

  my youth and i saw him in a chat room [TS]

  and asked if he was the guy who made [TS]

  them and he said yes and he sent me a [TS]

  big archive of all his icons and i love [TS]

  icons i love nintendo and i know it's [TS]

  his birthday fix his friend emailed me [TS]

  and told me his friend did not provide a [TS]

  pronunciation guide for his name but [TS]

  i'll go for it anyway achille kenyatta [TS]

  sent me an email and said that joshua [TS]

  jones really appreciate it we got a [TS]

  happy birthday greeting even though this [TS]

  is not as he noted a radio call-in show [TS]

  where we have birthday shoutouts to be [TS]

  that would i have like a little like a [TS]

  little thing for that yeah it's probably [TS]

  too late in the history that showed us [TS]

  to add that though that's not the [TS]

  morning zoo yeah i know you want to do [TS]

  the mornings if I do will you be on that [TS]

  no [TS]

  don't be i won't be on the morning [TS]

  anything ok ah but there you go happy [TS]

  birthday to mine fat all right we got [TS]

  take a breather here how why don't ya [TS]

  you do need one why don't we do is [TS]

  second is it time was it appropriate [TS]

  time it's it's time it is the right time [TS]

  I've got all your links open so [TS]

  everything's a little turned around tell [TS]

  you about shutterstock.com where you [TS]

  find over 20 million stock photos they [TS]

  got vectors they got you they got your [TS]

  illustrations they got your video clips [TS]

  but what they are they're really cool [TS]

  they work with tons and tons of [TS]

  independent content creators all around [TS]

  the world whether they're photographers [TS]

  or people who draw stuff and they make [TS]

  all of this stuff available to you it's [TS]

  very very easy to search for the thing [TS]

  that you're looking for why would you [TS]

  want this maybe get an iOS app maybe [TS]

  you're building a website maybe you want [TS]

  something for your mug or your tote bag [TS]

  doesn't matter they have something that [TS]

  will work for you maybe it's a [TS]

  presentation maybe you're about to go [TS]

  pitch your your new idea buildings you [TS]

  building one of those decks and you got [TS]

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  them some cool tons of reasons why you [TS]

  might want to look at this stuff they [TS]

  make it really easy to find everything [TS]

  and organize it into these light boxes [TS]

  and then you can take these light boxes [TS]

  and you can share them and share them [TS]

  with other people on your team you can [TS]

  share with your friends whatever it is [TS]

  they can all work together they'd all [TS]

  work together to come up with something [TS]

  that'll be perfect then you put it [TS]

  together as a package then you buy it [TS]

  they give you the high high high [TS]

  resolution stuff it's just one price for [TS]

  everything they don't nickel and dime [TS]

  you and it's more affordable than you [TS]

  might think they have an iPad app by the [TS]

  way that makes this lightbox and [TS]

  curation stuff really easy then they got [TS]

  24 hour support during the week you [TS]

  don't need to give them anything so just [TS]

  go there and browse and check it out and [TS]

  doing that will help support this show [TS]

  to help support the whole network so you [TS]

  go do shutterstock.com and browse around [TS]

  when you figure out the thing that you [TS]

  want to get use the code Dan sent me 11 [TS]

  dan sent me a lemon and you'll get [TS]

  thirty percent off which is big so go [TS]

  check it out shutterstock.com dan sent [TS]

  me 11 thanks very much to shutterstock [TS]

  for making these shows possible you're [TS]

  saying you know you used to build your [TS]

  deck I'm like why would you need stock [TS]

  photos to build a deck like oh okay [TS]

  all right not it not a wooden deck back [TS]

  at your house so the kids call it these [TS]

  days you get to build your deck now [TS]

  isn't the kids say yeah I just want to [TS]

  clarify that joshua jones his birthday [TS]

  is on december third it's not today but [TS]

  hey who knows maybe what time you're [TS]

  listening to this it will be december [TS]

  third if you were thinking of sending [TS]

  him a card / gift or were you or [TS]

  anything because he does like Nintendo [TS]

  and I'm not sin all right just track [TS]

  just you all right so the topic for [TS]

  today's show the one and only lonely [TS]

  topic hmm I could be long and it could [TS]

  be a short one okay I know it's not blue [TS]

  peter know that is a funny name it is [TS]

  funny no it's not blue peter although a [TS]

  lot of things a lot of British things [TS]

  sound like unintentional innuendos to [TS]

  American people this is the times like [TS]

  this when you wish from are one of us [TS]

  here I knew to riff on blue peter north [TS]

  yeah no one no one does it better no no [TS]

  one does need sexual innuendo dance [TS]

  better than better than Maryland does [TS]

  yes sir if only if only saying his name [TS]

  three times made him appear less or made [TS]

  him go away it's that doesn't work to [TS]

  non one smelled to go no one does know [TS]

  once you call him out he's there to help [TS]

  it's like Bill juice yeah now John [TS]

  Roderick is there to help Merlin is [TS]

  there to help John who's there to help [TS]

  plus it's complicated relations yeah [TS]

  that's the drug diagram alright so this [TS]

  is going to be you know like in sitcoms [TS]

  in the 80s sitcom would start and it'll [TS]

  be funny and you'd watch it and then [TS]

  like somewhere around I don't know like [TS]

  season two and a half they would have [TS]

  they would have a very special episode I [TS]

  love those it'd be like you know like I [TS]

  can different strokes like you'd watch [TS]

  this funny show about these adopted [TS]

  children and their rich snooty father [TS]

  and the clash of cultures or whatever [TS]

  and it would be funny and then they have [TS]

  a show about sexual abuse right never be [TS]

  like out of nowhere so and then it would [TS]

  say this week on a very special [TS]

  different story [TS]

  well here you go this this is the man I [TS]

  can't do the boys this week on a very [TS]

  special hypercritical we're not going to [TS]

  talk about sexual abuse but it's going [TS]

  to be more of a touchy feely topic then [TS]

  pass shows or indeed about the then they [TS]

  follow up about chip-making and fabbing [TS]

  wii u accelerometers and all that stuff [TS]

  ah and i thought of this topic because [TS]

  not because it's new because anyone who [TS]

  is read any of these things that i'm [TS]

  going to cite and putting the show notes [TS]

  notice that many of them are like half a [TS]

  year old or older but because there was [TS]

  just one more article like I always put [TS]

  these in mines to paper queue and I [TS]

  happen to read it the other day and I [TS]

  said you know what this is this is worth [TS]

  talking about on the show even if it is [TS]

  you know a very special episode maybe [TS]

  that will be the title this episode [TS]

  maybe more so we're gonna start you know [TS]

  where this is going cuz you seen the [TS]

  show notes yeah the people in the chat [TS]

  room don't I'm going to start with [TS]

  something from the ever handy know your [TS]

  meme site which is good for old people [TS]

  yeah I was just gonna say like people [TS]

  like us we really need this this site [TS]

  that's right cuz now I mean not just all [TS]

  people i find it even young people young [TS]

  people don't know the old people's memes [TS]

  and vice versa so anyone you unknown to [TS]

  me means you can look it up here and [TS]

  then the description this mean makes me [TS]

  feel old maybe you'll agree this is the [TS]

  fake geek girl meme which is not a new [TS]

  me amiss product link in the show notes [TS]

  to know your main page it's listed as [TS]

  idiot nerd girl but it's you know the [TS]

  same thing all right here's the [TS]

  description from the site idiot nerd [TS]

  girl is an advice animal image macro [TS]

  series yes all those words are in that [TS]

  order on the site featuring a photo of a [TS]

  teenage girl wearing thick-rimmed [TS]

  glasses with the word nerd written on [TS]

  the palm of her hand the upper caption [TS]

  often contains a reference to geek [TS]

  culture while the bottom caption [TS]

  demonstrates a lack of knowledge or [TS]

  expertise in the subject and then they [TS]

  say it bears many similarities to [TS]

  technologically impaired duck and [TS]

  musically oblivious 8th grade by seven [TS]

  now i had never heard the term advice [TS]

  animal image i had neither advice animal [TS]

  image macro series sounds like you know [TS]

  some sort of a random text generator [TS]

  using a spam email but they call it [TS]

  advice and I'm sure if I you looked up [TS]

  advice and I'm sure if I you looked up [TS]

  know your meme that would explain [TS]

  exactly what advice animal is and where [TS]

  that comes from but I didn't look at [TS]

  that but if you have once you see it [TS]

  you'll know what they're talking about [TS]

  like oh those things with the weird [TS]

  background with the bright colors and [TS]

  the spirals and it shows some probably [TS]

  give you a template on a site to make [TS]

  your own yeah it is even if you don't [TS]

  know these terms you know what the kind [TS]

  of thing they're talking about and so [TS]

  the idiot nerd girl is it's got a [TS]

  picture of this poor girl whoever she [TS]

  actually is uh is making fun of girls [TS]

  who uh seem to be nerds but don't [TS]

  actually know anything about the you [TS]

  know don't actually know anything about [TS]

  nerd culture right because as a [TS]

  comparison to pretty much are almost our [TS]

  entire lives yours in mine and probably [TS]

  many of our listeners being a nerd or [TS]

  geek was not like maybe it was [TS]

  acceptable but it was not cool now it's [TS]

  cool it's cool to the point that you [TS]

  will have a girl like you're saying who [TS]

  is it has no actual knowledge or [TS]

  connection to any kind of geek culture [TS]

  posing posing is the word right yeah [TS]

  that is what this meme is doing its [TS]

  trying to make fun of people this this [TS]

  type of person who is a girl who is it [TS]

  seems to be a nerd but isn't really [TS]

  because they don't know anything about [TS]

  that aren't stuck right so that's the [TS]

  mean the next article have in the show [TS]

  notes is by Tara Tiger Brown it's titled [TS]

  dear fake geek girls please go away and [TS]

  it is against the people who are [TS]

  described in this meme here's a quote [TS]

  from the article pretentious females who [TS]

  have labeled themselves a geek girl in [TS]

  quotes figured out the guys will pay a [TS]

  lot of tension to them if they proclaim [TS]

  their reading comics for playing video [TS]

  games celebrities dressing up as geeks [TS]

  to reach larger audience Richard Branson [TS]

  labeled himself a geek for crying out [TS]

  loud how do we separate the geeks from [TS]

  the muck this is also related to Patton [TS]

  Oswalt's piece in Wired magazine from a [TS]

  while ago I called wake up geek culture [TS]

  time to die about the dilution of geek [TS]

  culture by people who aren't you know [TS]

  quote unquote really geeks if we [TS]

  actually addressed this on the [TS]

  incomparable way back in episode 28 [TS]

  entitled bed at high school I put a link [TS]

  in the show notes if you'd like to hear [TS]

  a discussion of this Patton Oswalt [TS]

  article decrying the [TS]

  geek culture by people who don't know [TS]

  all the things the geeks are supposed to [TS]

  know that is kind of a superset of the [TS]

  fake geek girl thing which specifically [TS]

  about girls diluting geek culture there [TS]

  aren't really geeks they don't really [TS]

  know anything about comics they just [TS]

  like to pretend they're geeks okay so [TS]

  that's the that's the context those are [TS]

  the memes here the Mary Sue is a website [TS]

  dedicated like yeah eat girl type of [TS]

  things and they had a response to the [TS]

  fake geek girl I'm gonna try to advise [TS]

  animal Nikki girl advice animal name [TS]

  they did their own meme for the geek [TS]

  girl meme which sort of like counter [TS]

  meme using the same images but just [TS]

  changing the text on the top I put a [TS]

  link in the show so this is well yeah [TS]

  quote from it memes are hard to kill [TS]

  it's basically their definition and [TS]

  easiest way to deal with them is by [TS]

  trying to ignore them but this one we [TS]

  wouldn't mind eradicating from the [TS]

  internet it would be the idiot nerd girl [TS]

  advice animal meme it's emblematic the [TS]

  persistently idea that it tells people [TS]

  it's okay to nestle call women out for [TS]

  not being quote authentically geeky [TS]

  unquote enough it's basically the idea [TS]

  that you can use the old middle school [TS]

  tactic of calling people posers which by [TS]

  the way you just did then a little while [TS]

  ago and describing this because they [TS]

  don't adhere to your own particular [TS]

  rules as to what qualifies as a geek or [TS]

  because they happen to have boobs and [TS]

  read comic books so this is their [TS]

  counter meme which is a clever way to [TS]

  counter this type of thing using the [TS]

  same imagery with different text to make [TS]

  fun of the people who are trying to make [TS]

  fun of the idiot nerd girls basically [TS]

  you know pointing out that the idiot [TS]

  nerd girl meme is very similar to people [TS]

  calling people and posters in the middle [TS]

  school cafeteria which was a very [TS]

  popular thing to do I can attest I don't [TS]

  they still do that I assume I posers and [TS]

  that's evergreen right I think so [TS]

  holders I think so yes maybe let less of [TS]

  it now no no find out when I could to [TS]

  get the middle school unfortunately I'm [TS]

  sure all right uh so there's some more [TS]

  context up for the meme now finally this [TS]

  is the article that made me want to talk [TS]

  about this topic it is by alex hern this [TS]

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  have pointed out some things that I did [TS]

  not put into my notes I don't know if I [TS]

  would work them in maybe it will do it [TS]

  in some follow-up for this uh related to [TS]

  this area that we're about to talk about [TS]

  and cited before those memes is the the [TS]

  show Big Bang Theory you watch that I [TS]

  have not watched it to the dismay of [TS]

  pretty much everybody who's ever met me [TS]

  but i'm going to start watching it yeah [TS]

  it's done I mean it's all done I don't [TS]

  know son so big bang theory is a sitcom [TS]

  I don't watch it either I saw like part [TS]

  of a couple episodes to know people are [TS]

  talking about at like you many people [TS]

  tell me that I should [TS]

  this including my own mother tell me [TS]

  this one also oh I don't watch a show i [TS]

  have read many articles about the show [TS]

  and most many of the articles are [TS]

  arguments amongst geeks as to whether [TS]

  the geeks on Big Bang Theory are [TS]

  represented in a way that celebrates [TS]

  them or that is a that ridicules them or [TS]

  it the term that keep coming keeps [TS]

  coming up with big bank there any part [TS]

  of the reason I'm not evening that going [TS]

  to talk about it goes off an entirely [TS]

  other tangent that's probably offensive [TS]

  to many people and I will emphasize that [TS]

  I did not make up this term nor have I [TS]

  spoken and written it or endorsed it in [TS]

  any way but it is repeatedly referred to [TS]

  on the web is that big bang theory is [TS]

  nerd black face and you can imagine why [TS]

  that is offensive and makes no sense in [TS]

  many different ways but you can also [TS]

  figure out what what are they trying to [TS]

  communicate through their indelicate [TS]

  terminology and we're trying to [TS]

  communicate as they think the big bang [TS]

  theory uh does it disservice to nerds [TS]

  that it's not a celebration of thirds or [TS]

  whatever so that's a whole other [TS]

  conversation but it's definitely related [TS]

  but I'm not going to talk about that [TS]

  here because we're on something else um [TS]

  so anyway the article by alex hern nerds [TS]

  stop hating women please this article [TS]

  starts by introducing Tony Harris who is [TS]

  have you heard of Tony Harris before [TS]

  looking at this article not before this [TS]

  article yo you may actually know him or [TS]

  his work so the arca says he's in no way [TS]

  a household name but he's artist behind [TS]

  some of the most critically acclaimed [TS]

  comics of last 20 years notably Starman [TS]

  with james robinson for DC and ex [TS]

  machina with bryan cave on the wildstar [TS]

  you know if any of those properties i [TS]

  know of them they're not things that I I [TS]

  mean vol not you're not into but aren't [TS]

  slate so maybe comics people would [TS]

  notice but Tony Harris is probably one [TS]

  of the artists I assume he's not the [TS]

  writer based on what their his writing [TS]

  that is copy and pasted into this [TS]

  article because surely this person is [TS]

  not a writer ha if you don't look at [TS]

  yeah I'm gonna read a substantial [TS]

  portion of it but you were to really get [TS]

  the feel you have to really see the [TS]

  gigantic crazy person wall of text [TS]

  filled with misspellings and capital [TS]

  letters and bad puns data bad [TS]

  punctuation but that's not what's [TS]

  offensive that's not the thing that [TS]

  about this that's offensive that I'm [TS]

  going to talk about it's the content so [TS]

  here is a rant that Tony Harris posted [TS]

  on his Facebook wall which has [TS]

  since been removed apparently because I [TS]

  follow the link and it's gone and you [TS]

  can kind of understand why it was [TS]

  removed once I read you some passages [TS]

  from it so start with a little bit of [TS]

  his intro he says I appreciate a pretty [TS]

  gal as nuts as much as the next hetero [TS]

  male but I'm so sick entirely gonna [TS]

  capitalized H capitalized him head I [TS]

  don't want I don't want if I have to add [TS]

  the Sun all miss phone just I want [TS]

  people to get the flavor of the way he's [TS]

  going on about it as yet another me and [TS]

  would say this text passage has a flavor [TS]

  and it's not good anyway I'm so sick and [TS]

  tired of the whole cosplay chicks chicks [TS]

  spelled wrong cosplay in all caps here's [TS]

  a statement i want to make based on the [TS]

  rule all caps hey Kwazii pretty not hot [TS]

  girl you are more pathetic than the real [TS]

  nerds who you secretly think are really [TS]

  pathetic but we're onto you some of us [TS]

  are aware that you're ever so average on [TS]

  a daily basis but you have a couple of [TS]

  things going your way you're willing to [TS]

  become almost completely naked in public [TS]

  and you're skinny well some of you think [TS]

  you are or you have big boobies notice I [TS]

  didn't say great boobies you are what I [TS]

  refer to as khan hot you can see where [TS]

  this rant is going cosplay by the ways [TS]

  when people dress up in costumes as [TS]

  their favorite characters and go to a [TS]

  convention or not to go to convention a [TS]

  dressing up with your favorite [TS]

  characters from some fiction thing [TS]

  you're interested in comic books movies [TS]

  or whatever yeah so he's referring to [TS]

  these people as khan hot and says one of [TS]

  the things that i'll have in common all [TS]

  these geeky boys of these conventions [TS]

  they're being preyed on by you you have [TS]

  this really awful need for attention for [TS]

  people to tell you you're prettier hot [TS]

  and here's the reason why all that [TS]

  sickens us because you don't know s [TS]

  which i can't say on the show about [TS]

  comics beyond whatever google image [TS]

  search you did to get the ref on the [TS]

  swimming humans reference on the most [TS]

  mainstream character with most revealing [TS]

  costume ever if any of these guys do you [TS]

  hang out with try to talk to you outside [TS]

  of that con you wouldn't give them the [TS]

  effing time of day shut up your damn [TS]

  liar no you would not you're not you're [TS]

  not comics you're just the thing that [TS]

  all comic book and mainstream press [TS]

  flock to it cons [TS]

  the real reason for the con and the damn [TS]

  costumes you're parading around and that [TS]

  would be the comic book artists in the [TS]

  comic writers who make all this stuff up [TS]

  I remove parts of that rant but yes [TS]

  that's the gist of it I think you can [TS]

  get the feel for where this person is [TS]

  coming from and how it relates to the [TS]

  fake geek girl meme with a specific [TS]

  focus on cosplay in this point you know [TS]

  these people dressing up this way and [TS]

  they're not you know real geeks so this [TS]

  this is leaving me into what this [TS]

  article is about and this particular [TS]

  strain of fake geek girl Nina stuff is [TS]

  leading me into is the section of the [TS]

  show or which I call let's talk about [TS]

  misogyny dan is that a good recurring [TS]

  segment yes I'm it maybe you won't [TS]

  reoccur at all maybe this will be the [TS]

  only one but let's talk about misogyny [TS]

  alright and if you're listening you [TS]

  don't know what misogyny is that's the [TS]

  hatred of women by men right from the [TS]

  West End dictionary very succinct [TS]

  definition but let's also talk about [TS]

  geek culture because I think that [TS]

  actually is on topic for the show so our [TS]

  geek culture or something I'm observer [TS]

  of but I'm also part of as a geek and I [TS]

  think it's on topic of the show because [TS]

  you could subtitle this section what's [TS]

  wrong with geek culture we haven't had [TS]

  one of those what's wrong with for a [TS]

  while no and as part of this I want to [TS]

  talk about one of the causes of misogyny [TS]

  there are many causes of misogyny as [TS]

  there are causes of any you know many [TS]

  causes of any kind of hatred but there's [TS]

  one in particular that's relevant to [TS]

  Tony Harris's terribly spelled [TS]

  incoherent screed that I just read [TS]

  passages from but before I get into that [TS]

  I want to say I'm not going to describe [TS]

  a cause of misogyny as a way to explain [TS]

  away or excuse or justify the behavior a [TS]

  lot of times people trying to explain [TS]

  like let me explain to you why why [TS]

  someone does something the explanation [TS]

  is either seen as or really as meant as [TS]

  a justification is like no you don't [TS]

  understand yes this person did this bad [TS]

  thing but let me tell you why they did [TS]

  this bad thing and when they don't [TS]

  explain to you feel like osu are you [TS]

  saying that all right now that I [TS]

  understand why they did that it's okay [TS]

  like now all I see why they do now make [TS]

  sense to me and whether the person [TS]

  intended [TS]

  not that's kind of feeling so on ahead [TS]

  that often say my explanation of why why [TS]

  this exists is not meant as an excuse or [TS]

  like oh now I get it now makes sense to [TS]

  me that was perfectly justified I'm [TS]

  going to describe it because I hope it [TS]

  will help the people who behave this way [TS]

  to stop behaving this way it's not aimed [TS]

  at the outside world who observe this [TS]

  behavior it's aimed at the people who [TS]

  perpetrate it and this is part of the [TS]

  sort of you know you met a point for [TS]

  this in this entire show and my original [TS]

  hypercritical article and ARS technica [TS]

  way back when the idea that [TS]

  understanding why you do something is a [TS]

  pretty important first step in stopping [TS]

  doing it because if you don't know why [TS]

  you're doing things you're just doing [TS]

  things and you don't understand the [TS]

  causes of how are you ever going to [TS]

  change your behavior you don't even [TS]

  understand what's causing the behavior [TS]

  in the first place and you know it [TS]

  figuring out what's wrong with something [TS]

  what's going wrong what's causing this [TS]

  to happen not just within yourself with [TS]

  anything is you know and a particular [TS]

  strain of criticism self-criticism so [TS]

  that's why I'm gonna try to explain this [TS]

  and this explosion is not earth [TS]

  shattering or whatever but but here we [TS]

  go so nerdy geeky guys of which there [TS]

  are probably many listening to the show [TS]

  and hosting the show uh are so many many [TS]

  hosts many listeners yes are often you [TS]

  know socially isolated or ridicule [TS]

  during childhood to varying degrees [TS]

  would you say this this is an accurate [TS]

  assessment very childhood yes absolutely [TS]

  and so you know this happens sometimes [TS]

  because of our awkwardness or interests [TS]

  or you know just a combination of things [TS]

  it's not it doesn't have to be one type [TS]

  of thing and in sort of the Lord of the [TS]

  Flies world of middle school in high [TS]

  school this usually means greatly [TS]

  decreased desirability to the opposite [TS]

  sex I think you would agree with that it [TS]

  can mean that is yes alright so this [TS]

  leads to the following situation so so [TS]

  you've got a you know adolescent [TS]

  heterosexual male right and he's a geek [TS]

  all right but like any other adolescent [TS]

  heterosexual male that geek boy is [TS]

  really really really interested to girls [TS]

  just happens biologically [TS]

  trust me it's it is an all-consuming [TS]

  thing that happens at that time in a [TS]

  young boy's life right mm-hmm inevitable [TS]

  yes but he doesn't get what he wants [TS]

  he's wants girls but because of all the [TS]

  mixers to mention about the geeks and [TS]

  and you know it's just generally being [TS]

  ostracized and awkward and strange and [TS]

  interested in weird stuff uh he can't [TS]

  get no as the man says right yes hey [TS]

  that was the widest reading of yeah I'm [TS]

  fine by whatever but there you go uh he [TS]

  doesn't get what he wants all right and [TS]

  so this this formula can easily lead to [TS]

  anger the you know geek boy really wants [TS]

  this thing and you can't get it every [TS]

  time tries to get it he fails and feels [TS]

  worse uh and it's kind of like a [TS]

  toddler's tantrum something that I'm [TS]

  sure you and I are both very familiar [TS]

  with way too familiar with at this point [TS]

  where you know like you have a three or [TS]

  four year old if they want something you [TS]

  know they want the cookie or they want [TS]

  the toy or they don't want to take a [TS]

  bath or whatever and you and you deny [TS]

  them the things they want they throw a [TS]

  tantrum to stamp their feet they were [TS]

  scream and yell yeah I want the bus like [TS]

  the end of the way just in coherently [TS]

  flail out with anger all right and that [TS]

  kind of tantrum response we associate [TS]

  that with a toddler because you know if [TS]

  you saw an adult do that if you did it [TS]

  if an adult didn't get a raise in the [TS]

  office and he goes in the floor lies in [TS]

  the floor and stomped his feet in his [TS]

  hands and yells and screams and cries [TS]

  that he really wants that raised we [TS]

  would say that's not appropriate [TS]

  behavior for an adult right but those [TS]

  pathways and our brains are still in us [TS]

  even as adults and certainly certainly [TS]

  as pre teens and adolescents like even [TS]

  though we know that you're not supposed [TS]

  to throw tantrums or whatever that [TS]

  connection I want something I'm not [TS]

  getting it I'm angry now incoherent [TS]

  tantrum all that is still there so it's [TS]

  kind of like mashed by civilization and [TS]

  learning you know the correct way to [TS]

  accent partly matched by shame because [TS]

  you know if you did actually throw a [TS]

  tantrum in the middle of lunch room [TS]

  because the girl doesn't like you that [TS]

  would not be good idea right and so they [TS]

  have this anger right but where is that [TS]

  anger directed well it's not going to be [TS]

  directed into a tantrum because that's [TS]

  that's not viable for even a preteen or [TS]

  whatever they know that's not the right [TS]

  way to do it you that anger may be [TS]

  initially directed against you know the [TS]

  self the board start to be angry at [TS]

  himself for you so stupid why you have [TS]

  to be so [TS]

  weird and geeky you know blow blob is he [TS]

  can't he can't get again let's get back [TS]

  if he can't get what he wants he might [TS]

  not even understand why he wants girls [TS]

  but he's definitely does and he can't [TS]

  get them to talk to him pay attention to [TS]

  him like we're not saying this is like a [TS]

  self-actualized person he just knows [TS]

  girl want yes and he knows not getting [TS]

  girl bad right it's definitely not [TS]

  high-minded it's very great and but you [TS]

  know so he could be angry himself but [TS]

  this can also eventually lead to anger [TS]

  against females they can start to be [TS]

  seen as the enemy that's refusing to [TS]

  give you what you want so the you know [TS]

  it's like you're not gonna throw a [TS]

  tantrum and you're done hating on [TS]

  yourself maybe you have some sort of ego [TS]

  that likes us know you know it's not my [TS]

  fault you know whose fault this is 10 [TS]

  it's the girl's fault nothing else I [TS]

  want and they're they're refusing to you [TS]

  know it can get with me and but don't [TS]

  they understands is what I want their [TS]

  their evil there they are denying me [TS]

  this thing that I want right now this is [TS]

  nonsensical yeah and effed up in but it [TS]

  makes this weighs very high grow kind of [TS]

  angry you know but this makes sense if [TS]

  you're a guy listening this this is all [TS]

  kind of in a sad way this makes sense [TS]

  yeah like if your girl is saying to this [TS]

  you know how crazy this sounds right and [TS]

  if your guy listening to this I hope you [TS]

  also know how crazy it sounds but you [TS]

  probably also have felt this at some [TS]

  point in your life but things like if [TS]

  you think of a two seconds it makes no [TS]

  sense like the these the first of all [TS]

  these girls as if they're one homogenous [TS]

  species right there there I think with [TS]

  one mind like a high of mine females [TS]

  right miss the people that you want to [TS]

  be with and how can you ever expect to [TS]

  enter into a a loving lifelong [TS]

  relationship with someone of the [TS]

  opposite sex if you've come to view them [TS]

  all as evil enemies and yet this [TS]

  happened right that they are the enemy [TS]

  because they are denying you everything [TS]

  in life and I want to get into whole [TS]

  crazy fruity and other issues and all [TS]

  sorts of all that cause I'm just [TS]

  focusing on this one thing simple [TS]

  adolescent boy geek wats girls can't get [TS]

  there for girls are enemies right so [TS]

  this is all very obvious to most people [TS]

  but I think it is not obvious to the [TS]

  people who perpetrate the worst acts of [TS]

  misogyny certainly Tony Harris seems [TS]

  completely unaware of this connection [TS]

  that I've just drawn here while he [TS]

  repeatedly demonstrates this [TS]

  symptoms in his little essay I mean if [TS]

  you look at that essay how can you not [TS]

  see somebody who is angry at women [TS]

  because of his failures with women uh I [TS]

  don't know anything about him maybe he's [TS]

  got a you know he's happily married [TS]

  maybe he has healthy well-adjusted [TS]

  relationships but everything he says [TS]

  screams I am angry at women in general [TS]

  yeah not you know I don't like women and [TS]

  I don't like them for because I've been [TS]

  rejected by them so let me insult them [TS]

  in all the ways that then denigrate them [TS]

  along the axes that I care about you [TS]

  know you're not as hot as you think your [TS]

  eyes if being hot is the you know the be [TS]

  all and end all these women you know he [TS]

  have used them only as a things in this [TS]

  in this thing that he wrote have no idea [TS]

  always like personal miss thing you [TS]

  wrote it's entirely about how you are [TS]

  not fulfilling my desires and how you [TS]

  know and the worst insult I can give to [TS]

  you is how you do not fill my criteria [TS]

  adequately that that's how I carry you [TS]

  down and that's why I hate all females [TS]

  here so I would say that if you're an [TS]

  adolescent heterosexual male nerd [TS]

  listening to this which I have to [TS]

  imagine there's some fears yeah this 23 [TS]

  maybe in our audience well I mean [TS]

  adolescent I'm sure there's plenty of [TS]

  heterosexual metal nerds listings us but [TS]

  adolescent sudden out there into this [TS]

  right uh but if you are if you happen to [TS]

  be a young person I guess if you're if [TS]

  you're an adult as well uh now is the [TS]

  time especially for that'll essence let [TS]

  slides and now is the time to start to [TS]

  be vigilant I don't like think about [TS]

  this connection that it is made and just [TS]

  sort of observe it dispassionately try [TS]

  to disconnect yourself from it and you [TS]

  know realize how absurd it is and don't [TS]

  let yourself fall into this trap and to [TS]

  do that by understanding how and why you [TS]

  could start to feel this way because [TS]

  like you said Dan even though this [TS]

  sounds ridiculous and absurd almost [TS]

  every male is in this where they're [TS]

  going to MIT it publicly or not has had [TS]

  feelings like this and hopefully has [TS]

  examined them and said wait a second [TS]

  this is idiotic it makes no sense this [TS]

  is not you know this anger is being [TS]

  directed to the wrong place right so [TS]

  understand why this happens and why it [TS]

  makes no sense as a wise man once said [TS]

  Dan don't give it to hate that leads to [TS]

  the dark side right I think I understand [TS]

  understanding this is an important step [TS]

  you think about it [TS]

  understand it and so if ever if ever you [TS]

  feel that way you have the rational part [TS]

  of your brain intervene cut it off and [TS]

  think about it so getting back to Alex [TS]

  Hearns a nerd stop paying your women [TS]

  please thing he continues this is [TS]

  America the views expressed by Harris [TS]

  aren't just held by a virulent [TS]

  misogynist instead they're depressingly [TS]

  common in geek culture on the lads and [TS]

  scare quotes of images too many nerds [TS]

  have basically internalized the [TS]

  stereotype of themselves as ugly [TS]

  friendless losers and decided that [TS]

  anyone who doesn't fit that stereotype [TS]

  particularly women is a fake geek taking [TS]

  advantage of the fact that being a geek [TS]

  is now cool so he's brought this back [TS]

  around to you know I guess kind of [TS]

  relate to the big bang theory / tech [TS]

  nerds don't cling to this image of [TS]

  yourself as as friendless and terrible [TS]

  and saying well someone who doesn't fit [TS]

  that mold is in a real geek right [TS]

  because that's another pathway to [TS]

  complaining all women for your own [TS]

  problems right I'm becoming a misogynist [TS]

  so here is a sa relating to this from [TS]

  susana polo I think it's also on the [TS]

  Mary Sue it's called on the fake geek [TS]

  girl with fake and scare quotes finally [TS]

  appropriately in this case I understand [TS]

  the desire to weed out posers out of [TS]

  your personal life and interactions but [TS]

  I've never actually in the phret in the [TS]

  flesh made a fake geek girl or guy I [TS]

  don't think this people actually exist [TS]

  outside of painful daytime news segments [TS]

  and occasional job interviews and [TS]

  internet memes but I understand who are [TS]

  you to say that a stranger someone [TS]

  you're never likely to meet is not [TS]

  genuinely interested in the thing they [TS]

  appear to be interested in as it is Mary [TS]

  services here at Mary Sue when an [TS]

  actress goes on a talk show and [TS]

  describes her personal affection and [TS]

  involvement and join Minh and fandom for [TS]

  geek properties we take it at face value [TS]

  why because we don't actually have a [TS]

  reason not to because all alternative [TS]

  the alternative reads a closed community [TS]

  of paranoid elitist jerks who just lash [TS]

  out at anyone you our summer here is a [TS]

  great this this should've been like [TS]

  bullet points in the end the entire [TS]

  content of the article right the proper [TS]

  response this to someone who says they [TS]

  like comics and is only ever read scott [TS]

  pilgrim is to recommend some more comics [TS]

  for that the proper response is someone [TS]

  who [TS]

  curious to be faking enthusiasm is to [TS]

  ignore them not to project their actions [TS]

  onto entire gender or community the [TS]

  proper response to someone who appears [TS]

  to want to be a part of your community [TS]

  is to welcome them in end of story that [TS]

  is a very good summary of what you [TS]

  should be doing instead of the crazy [TS]

  things that many people are doing this [TS]

  is what I think should and in my [TS]

  experience most often does define geek [TS]

  culture at its best it's a bunch of [TS]

  people who maybe had difficult childhood [TS]

  them or ostracized and excluded taking [TS]

  those experiences that they had in [TS]

  childhood and learning from them not to [TS]

  like seek revenge by treating other [TS]

  people the way they were treated but to [TS]

  learn the opposite lesson by learning [TS]

  how hard is to be treated like that and [TS]

  then vowing never to make other people [TS]

  feel the way that they felt that I wrote [TS]

  taking the high road it's not the hi-res [TS]

  likes to path dark side light side right [TS]

  because you can see how the experience [TS]

  can lead you to the dark side and but [TS]

  the light side is the opposite side of [TS]

  that having this just terrible miserable [TS]

  experience and and just like vowing [TS]

  saying you know sort of as God is my [TS]

  witness I'll never be hungry again but [TS]

  like as God is my witness I will never [TS]

  make anyone else feel the way I'm [TS]

  feeling right now a geek culture as it [TS]

  at its best is welcoming we don't care [TS]

  if you're awkward ugly fat smelly [TS]

  inarticulate or yes even female plus any [TS]

  of the above combined right do you want [TS]

  to talk about the nuances of Pokemon [TS]

  strategy I'm interested in that to come [TS]

  not me personally but you know [TS]

  theoretically come welcome let's talk [TS]

  about that right and yes also even if [TS]

  you're female cosplaying and some [TS]

  scantily clad thing and attractive [TS]

  welcome you know will relate to you as a [TS]

  human being who wants to talk about [TS]

  Legend of Zelda or league of legends are [TS]

  Wow or whatever you want to talk about [TS]

  we'll treat you like a human being [TS]

  regardless of your appearance social [TS]

  skills interests you know anything [TS]

  because we know what it's like to be [TS]

  treated badly based on who we are not on [TS]

  who we are but in how we look or what [TS]

  we're interested in wien that's the [TS]

  whole point like we did we experience [TS]

  that these people don't know who I am [TS]

  they're down on me because I'm into [TS]

  Dungeons and Dragons progress I don't [TS]

  know how to dress or because I'm awkward [TS]

  and you know inarticulate or whatever [TS]

  thing about you we know what it's like [TS]

  to be treated that way in the same exact [TS]

  way when some super hot beautiful [TS]

  cosplay [TS]

  person scantily-clad comes up to you at [TS]

  econo wants to talk to you relate to her [TS]

  as a human being who's interested in [TS]

  wherever the heck she's interested in [TS]

  and ignore who cares what she looks like [TS]

  you know or you know it's it's it's [TS]

  that's the lesson we should learn not [TS]

  like oh we should all hate all these [TS]

  females because they're not like us and [TS]

  because they you know ignored us in high [TS]

  school or whatever tax is a great [TS]

  example this packs with the penny arcade [TS]

  expo which you are going to this yes I [TS]

  am it's at its best and it's very very [TS]

  often at its best is a judgment-free [TS]

  zone that's what i would call nice if we [TS]

  all come there because we all love [TS]

  gaming and of some stripe board games [TS]

  video games whatever it is we're all [TS]

  gamers we just happened also a lot of [TS]

  time be you know awkward in our tequila [TS]

  geeks and we all come together uh and [TS]

  and it's like it's kind of like I think [TS]

  of an example going somewhere where you [TS]

  can finally relax like now I know no one [TS]

  here is going to be judging me because [TS]

  I'm a geek maybe you're in your job you [TS]

  don't feel that way because you feel [TS]

  like I have to hide the fact that I'm a [TS]

  larper in a weekend right don't I mean [TS]

  we make fun of that ourselves like I was [TS]

  all all right like that's right right [TS]

  yeah that's the one so even even we can [TS]

  make fun of flour well no but packs is [TS]

  like pax is a judgment-free zone no [TS]

  matter what you're interested we're in [TS]

  this place and this time we're gonna set [TS]

  aside to say we are not going to we're [TS]

  not going to care everyone is the same [TS]

  everyone is welcome no one is judged [TS]

  based on whatever the thing is that [TS]

  they're interested in as long as they're [TS]

  not hurting other people right and this [TS]

  extends far far outward from like gaming [TS]

  and geek stuff or whatever all the way [TS]

  out to things like sexual orientation [TS]

  transgender everything like that again [TS]

  it's about relating to people as people [TS]

  not according to what the labels are [TS]

  what their appearances are what their [TS]

  what their weird interests weird you may [TS]

  be and I think this is also why we have [TS]

  so many geeks myself included feel such [TS]

  a visceral connection to homophobia and [TS]

  gay rights I don't know if you feel this [TS]

  as well but I realized this several [TS]

  years ago i'm like why is it that i get [TS]

  like you know like my my adrenaline [TS]

  starts pumping it's like I get the [TS]

  flight or flight response anytime [TS]

  anything having to do with you know [TS]

  anything you know sort of hate crimes [TS]

  and homophobia and all that gay right [TS]

  stuff is like why I'm having this [TS]

  reaction I realize I'm having this [TS]

  reaction because it's exactly the same [TS]

  thing as you know being treated badly [TS]

  for who you are [TS]

  uh unfairly right it doesn't matter what [TS]

  the part of who you are is it just it it [TS]

  shouldn't be that way and it's I [TS]

  injustice is injustice yeah and it's not [TS]

  exactly and it's a it makes it I think [TS]

  growing up a geek and being subject to [TS]

  that makes you you know I can do several [TS]

  things you can make you into a terrible [TS]

  misogynist yes but it can also turn you [TS]

  over to someone who is like keenly [TS]

  attuned to other people who are being [TS]

  like you know that person is feeling the [TS]

  way you felt maybe even a hundred times [TS]

  worse and but like you know that feeling [TS]

  right like that's terrible that must be [TS]

  stopped right in my sight you know it it [TS]

  triggers the fight-or-flight response [TS]

  just adrenaline pumps induce us know [TS]

  right now i know i tried political stuff [TS]

  on the show or whatever but in my [TS]

  opinion this is a then this is a human [TS]

  rights issue not a political thing and [TS]

  if you've decided now to write off the [TS]

  entire 96 episode run of this podcast [TS]

  ignore all my future work I'm sorry but [TS]

  certain things are worth standing up for [TS]

  and this is one of them so anyway the [TS]

  lesson of this very special episode of [TS]

  hyper critical or very similar is it a [TS]

  moral or a lesson I don't know what this [TS]

  you can decide I'll say in the immortal [TS]

  words of George Carlin starring [TS]

  co-starring I don't know who's featured [TS]

  in a movie that may be older than some [TS]

  people listening to this podcast right [TS]

  now be excellent to each other dan I [TS]

  think that's the lesson okay kind of [TS]

  like an eye for an eye no not that's not [TS]

  that's a totally different treat others [TS]

  how you would like to be treated yeah in [TS]

  that the golden rule is the reason I got [TS]

  all worked about this inside to put it [TS]

  in the show is like I read all these [TS]

  things you know these geek culture [TS]

  related things with the fake geek girls [TS]

  and everything and it seemed like people [TS]

  were losing the thread it was like no [TS]

  don't you understand guys like I thought [TS]

  it seems to me that there's a there's a [TS]

  vast agreement on this like when I go to [TS]

  pax I feel like yes we all understand [TS]

  son spoken everyone here understands [TS]

  this is the place where we can all come [TS]

  and be at our best and that our best is [TS]

  not judging anybody for anything not [TS]

  making anyone feel the way some of us [TS]

  may felt for whatever reasons no matter [TS]

  what they're into you know and like [TS]

  ideally that would extend out to [TS]

  everyday life and everywhere but like [TS]

  this is a safe place where you can go [TS]

  and look like don't we all agree on that [TS]

  and then the fake geek girl thing is [TS]

  like no that is the exact opposite that [TS]

  is going to that convention and then [TS]

  somehow this little berylon strain the [TS]

  virus gets in there it's like well [TS]

  everyone's well [TS]

  here except for those fake geek girls [TS]

  who give me funny feelings and wear [TS]

  outfits they're not really into that [TS]

  anyways I know it's the opposite if they [TS]

  want to come and they want to dress like [TS]

  some they've never heard of who cares [TS]

  like you're supposed to welcome them you [TS]

  know that's the whole point and it kills [TS]

  me that that happens in this venue and [TS]

  the one venue you know he's convinced [TS]

  that things were it's supposed to be the [TS]

  exemplar of how how we geeks are [TS]

  supposed to act the best of the best and [TS]

  this comes in and it's just the exact [TS]

  opposite of everything that we're all [TS]

  supposed to be about so it just pissed [TS]

  me off it pissed me off that these [TS]

  threads are bouncing that there are [TS]

  arguments about this well you don't [TS]

  understand fake geek girls real are fake [TS]

  and they need you and it's not just from [TS]

  you know misogynist males like one of [TS]

  the articles I read here cited was [TS]

  written by by a female saying yeah these [TS]

  fake geek girls stop trying to be a geek [TS]

  or whatever I get back to the bullet [TS]

  points that what was that authors names [TS]

  I gotta get out here again oh where was [TS]

  that Susan what was her name susana polo [TS]

  you know it just lays off with the [TS]

  proper response just you know if you see [TS]

  someone who is like it falls under the [TS]

  scatter all their a fake girl they don't [TS]

  know about to tell them about other cool [TS]

  stuff don't assume like you don't really [TS]

  like it you're just posing for some [TS]

  crazy know that like if they really are [TS]

  posing for attention like who cares like [TS]

  everyone is welcome if they want to be [TS]

  part of your community they're welcome [TS]

  that's the whole that's the whole point [TS]

  no one comes and said well you can come [TS]

  and sit down play a board game with us [TS]

  but you're dressed to some crazy [TS]

  character and you know you're weird and [TS]

  pimply narrow tequila and smelly so you [TS]

  have to go someplace else that that [TS]

  should never happen at you know in real [TS]

  life a but if we can't do an entire [TS]

  world then the very least at pax and [TS]

  then our conventions so it's the one [TS]

  place you're safe yeah and real and [TS]

  really should be everywhere but like [TS]

  what can we start with can we start with [TS]

  conventions can we not have you know it [TS]

  just it just pisses me off what what [TS]

  brought all this on I just seeing these [TS]

  articles like if there's it's kind of [TS]

  like you know I don't want to get into [TS]

  political stuff rights but I see it see [TS]

  that there's a this is a debate like oh [TS]

  this is the topic we need to debate we [TS]

  had that pro and con against fake geek [TS]

  girl know this there is no there's no [TS]

  there's no pro for that meme there's no [TS]

  there's no there there there's no [TS]

  reality that mean it's not like well [TS]

  something real [TS]

  real thing no the whole point if they [TS]

  come to the show they dresses somebody [TS]

  that you know they're welcome they're [TS]

  not less welcome because they happen to [TS]

  be you know a beautiful woman then they [TS]

  would be if they were you know a [TS]

  horrible ugly trolled adolescent pimply [TS]

  bought like everyone is welcome no [TS]

  faking no posing know anything that's [TS]

  that's the point and it just drives me [TS]

  nuts that their articles bouncing around [TS]

  the web over the course of an entire [TS]

  year debating this as if it's not like [TS]

  like people are people just losing you [TS]

  know what the whole point is and it [TS]

  seems crazy to me like I figured it all [TS]

  just go away because if you ever attend [TS]

  packs you you feel that you're like [TS]

  everyone pretty much agrees you know [TS]

  that this is the way it's supposed to be [TS]

  but there's this little apparently this [TS]

  little tiny thread worming its way [TS]

  through there you know infecting [TS]

  people's minds and it's screwing things [TS]

  up and needs to be it needs to be [TS]

  corrected and stamped out and we need to [TS]

  be conscious of it no you're upset I can [TS]

  tell you're upset I am I know this this [TS]

  could be this is you say this is where [TS]

  the show jump the shark when he's trying [TS]

  to get another political stuff and did [TS]

  these big rants about things and call me [TS]

  a misogynist I didn't like that part [TS]

  well sorry guys the show's ending soon [TS]

  anyway so you'll be safe yeah you know [TS]

  was saying that the final episode should [TS]

  be about free will yeah I'm go there [TS]

  I'll go here though I'll go here because [TS]

  like I think this is on topic geek [TS]

  culture definitely on topic forever [TS]

  critical the excellent to each other [TS]

  folks have anything to add damn from [TS]

  your experience I don't have anything [TS]

  add to this you cover it all I mean [TS]

  first of all you cover it all but second [TS]

  of all you know I think there's a lot of [TS]

  I think it's different nowadays I talked [TS]

  to people today in in there you know [TS]

  like 20 s if you're in your 20s right [TS]

  now it's that you're growing up in a [TS]

  very different world at least from the [TS]

  geek standpoint I can't I can't speak to [TS]

  the other topics you brought up but in [TS]

  the geek standpoint people who are who [TS]

  are in our generation who would have [TS]

  been considered to be misfits or uncool [TS]

  like I remember I have a vivid memory of [TS]

  being i guess it was 11 years old and [TS]

  devos album with whip [TS]

  on there came out this is vinyl folks [TS]

  and I had this album and i loved this [TS]

  album and I felt like Devo was speaking [TS]

  not directly to me in the sort of crazy [TS]

  way but like these were my kind of guys [TS]

  like they made music that I liked they [TS]

  were weird and they were unafraid to be [TS]

  weird and they were unafraid to sort of [TS]

  and I I couldn't couldn't verbalized it [TS]

  this way when I was 11 years old but [TS]

  they were unafraid to challenge [TS]

  authority and do unconventional things [TS]

  and and have fun with it and make it fun [TS]

  and make it interesting and make it [TS]

  something that was different from [TS]

  everything else that was out there and [TS]

  yet somehow go a little bit get get get [TS]

  popular I don't say go mainstream but [TS]

  and I remember talking to somebody who [TS]

  would you know was a quote unquote [TS]

  friend of mine I thought and like we [TS]

  were talking about music or something in [TS]

  in the classroom one day and I said oh [TS]

  gee you know you have you ever listened [TS]

  to devo you know that cool song wit but [TS]

  have you ever listened and he's like you [TS]

  listen to devo I was like yeah he and [TS]

  he'd like he did the little like you [TS]

  take your forefingers you know the [TS]

  Ultraman the thing were you if you were [TS]

  Ultraman how you would shoot out the the [TS]

  main attack like you cross your hands [TS]

  over run it well he made like the little [TS]

  Christian cross with his two fingers one [TS]

  goes one way one goes the other like a [TS]

  tea with your fingers and was like [TS]

  what's wrong you know like get away from [TS]

  me but that's that was not an isolated [TS]

  incident that was like if you if you [TS]

  like we're into weird stuff like that [TS]

  was normal you know that was the normal [TS]

  response that I ran into throughout like [TS]

  all of grain you eventually learn like [TS]

  oh I guess I can't talk about anything I [TS]

  like you know you find the one or two [TS]

  other kids or like like D&D and you're [TS]

  all kind of shamefully admitting to each [TS]

  other you made maybe I kind of like that [TS]

  thing and then you find out the other [TS]

  kid likes you like to die love Dean D [TS]

  know what I mean and and and it was like [TS]

  you had to almost like downplay you had [TS]

  to do it was bad enough that like you [TS]

  know you couldn't play sports you know [TS]

  but you didn't want to give the the you [TS]

  show completely show your hand and that [TS]

  really sucks now it's like Oh II [TS]

  you do this different thing that other [TS]

  people don't do like now you're setting [TS]

  a trend so I think I think that aspect [TS]

  of it has changed and I've talked to [TS]

  people about this and it seems like [TS]

  people's minds are open a bit more to [TS]

  this kind of thing at least in major [TS]

  cities i was i like that i like to think [TS]

  that the trend is positive but i have to [TS]

  think that just because the specific [TS]

  things that may have been you'd been [TS]

  ridiculed for when we were kids are now [TS]

  more accepted there's just something [TS]

  else that replaces it like there's [TS]

  always a point that some kid is getting [TS]

  like you know think things are evergreen [TS]

  like being ugly and awkward that will [TS]

  never be cool right being ugly is the [TS]

  worst thing in the entire world in like [TS]

  middle school in high school right and [TS]

  that's never going to change there's no [TS]

  trend it's not kind of knocking oh [TS]

  you're a trendsetter your hideously ugly [TS]

  no it's not gonna happen being awkward [TS]

  like physically awkward socially awkward [TS]

  that is never going to be cool and [TS]

  popular right so there's always [TS]

  something that people are being slammed [TS]

  for and you know that's I'm trying to be [TS]

  vigilant about that was like oh it's not [TS]

  a big deal I when I was a kid I couldn't [TS]

  admit I liked computers but nowadays [TS]

  it's cool that may be true and maybe [TS]

  your kid is lucky and he happens to be [TS]

  into computers and you know it's not a [TS]

  big deal but there's always gonna be [TS]

  something right as kids are animals yes [TS]

  so I am vigilant to to I don't want to [TS]

  like say yeah I hope it has gotten [TS]

  better you know but I not that much [TS]

  better yeah I mean so I was gonna want [TS]

  make sure that I don't like oh you don't [TS]

  understand kid when I was a kid you [TS]

  couldn't play D&D now you got it so easy [TS]

  maybe they don't have it easy me no no [TS]

  they didn't know you're right about [TS]

  replacing it but I'm just saying like a [TS]

  lot of the things that I think I I don't [TS]

  say we've it that I remember from my [TS]

  childhood a lot of those things have [TS]

  gone away and people it it seems like [TS]

  they're more accepted like you're saying [TS]

  they're more accepting of those kinds of [TS]

  things and and some of those things have [TS]

  kind of become cool but it's always [TS]

  interesting for me to wonder why they've [TS]

  become cool and and other things that [TS]

  have replaced them it seems like those [TS]

  things have gotten more intense and [TS]

  almost worse well I feel like the way it [TS]

  works is that you know the generation [TS]

  that was into those things became adults [TS]

  and now like we control the world right [TS]

  damn you control it from your console [TS]

  there under the volcano sure all right [TS]

  and we get to decide the computers are [TS]

  cool because we changed the world with [TS]

  them [TS]

  you're welcome right but and you know as [TS]

  we grow to it like just like the kids [TS]

  who are you know I maybe not diva but I [TS]

  guess kind of like when that generation [TS]

  grows up to adulthood and if they are [TS]

  successful they can influence the way [TS]

  the culture look so now you know and [TS]

  plus computer just become common so like [TS]

  how can they be uncool like they're [TS]

  everywhere deal with it right so that [TS]

  that's how I think that trying to happen [TS]

  but what happens is and this is what we [TS]

  call progress it sounds terrible but [TS]

  this is called progress is when the [TS]

  thing that was uncool becomes acceptable [TS]

  you just pull from the bin that's down [TS]

  there the big black velvet bag with like [TS]

  the green smoke coming out of it and you [TS]

  just reach your hand in there and you [TS]

  pull the next thing up when I was in [TS]

  high school you know we had gay kids in [TS]

  our class but nobody talked about them [TS]

  it was like totally in the closet type [TS]

  of thing now it's like all right so fine [TS]

  it's okay to be a geek or whatever let's [TS]

  reach into that bag look what we found [TS]

  homosexuality all right well now that's [TS]

  going to come up but we're gonna have to [TS]

  deal with that as a real thing and so [TS]

  next whatever you know the same thing [TS]

  with you know generations whatever you [TS]

  think you come from with all I'm very [TS]

  calm through intolerant oh yeah I'm [TS]

  gonna reach into the bag again oh look [TS]

  transgender people how do you feel about [TS]

  that and you're like oh wait wait it's [TS]

  like I'm not comfortable with that right [TS]

  there's always something in the bag for [TS]

  you to reach down to that's gonna test [TS]

  your you know tolerance right and that [TS]

  sounds terrible that each time we have [TS]

  to deal with this new type of thing but [TS]

  that's progress like it's good now you [TS]

  know that that gay kids in high school [TS]

  have clubs and support groups and are [TS]

  out in the open and you know any kind of [TS]

  hatred towards them or whatever is [TS]

  stamped down like that's progress right [TS]

  but they have to fight they had to fight [TS]

  that fight and it's still not easy for [TS]

  them you know and and one once that's [TS]

  done like three generations from now [TS]

  when we have a gay president and it's no [TS]

  big deal and we look back on anyone who [TS]

  thought of it as a big deal is barbaric [TS]

  right that would progress too but [TS]

  they'll always be something else down [TS]

  the bag will pull up you know who it's [TS]

  going to be a people with like alien DNA [TS]

  but and who knows but like them this [TS]

  stopped down there like I think [TS]

  transgender it's a great example because [TS]

  lots of people who are you know totally [TS]

  pro-gay rights and everything are still [TS]

  uncomfortable with that but like you [TS]

  know there's always a more marginalized [TS]

  group and then like I said the things [TS]

  that are evergreen physical [TS]

  attractiveness into anti-intellectualism [TS]

  is another big one I felt that a lot in [TS]

  school that like being smart was not [TS]

  cool and that seems crazy to me but I [TS]

  think it's still there dad [TS]

  definitely still there right and it [TS]

  depends in the school it depends on the [TS]

  environment you're in stuff like that [TS]

  but yeah there's always something down [TS]

  there but yeah that I think that's that [TS]

  should be the hallmark of geek culture [TS]

  is you know just picking the group that [TS]

  I happen to be in but like if you [TS]

  experience them and that's really the [TS]

  hallmark of gay culture any type of you [TS]

  know marginalized group if you [TS]

  experience any kind of discrimination [TS]

  and you know exclusion and ridicule in [TS]

  your formative years because of [TS]

  something that you know it's part of [TS]

  your nature that is that should not be [TS]

  condemned but is what you should bring [TS]

  from that is like I said the the mission [TS]

  in life to never make another person [TS]

  feel this way and if you see someone [TS]

  making someone else feel this way even [TS]

  if it's about something has nothing to [TS]

  do with you you can say it doesn't [TS]

  matter I you know I'm not gay but I know [TS]

  what that gay kid feels like right now [TS]

  and it's terrible it needs to stop right [TS]

  ah that that's what we should be [TS]

  bringing out of this I think it's what I [TS]

  think it's what most geeks do bring out [TS]

  I think that's what should define geek [TS]

  culture and when it doesn't something is [TS]

  going wrong this really was a very [TS]

  special episode underling man it was [TS]

  very special this is a whole different [TS]

  side of you you waited you know nine [TS]

  ninety five episodes to reveal it it's [TS]

  the same side it's the geek side ya know [TS]

  is that issue Andy I think on said it's [TS]

  a short show 102 minutes all right well [TS]

  if you want to talk to john about this [TS]

  he will engage with you best i would say [TS]

  on twitter which is a siracusa SI RAC [TS]

  u.s.a on twitter he's also on Alpha [TS]

  app.net siracusa he's also in Siracusa [TS]

  dot just for you siracusa tent [TS]

  that is and if you would like to send an [TS]

  email john obviously does read those and [TS]

  many times will read them on the air [TS]

  five by five TV / contact need to pick [TS]

  hypercritical and hit Send it'll go to [TS]

  him and me and I think that's it I'm [TS]

  damn Benjamin on Twitter show notes are [TS]

  at five by five TV / hypercritical / 96 [TS]

  thanks everyone for listening by John [TS]

  diamond [TS]

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