95: Black Friday


  this is hypercritical weekly talk show [TS]

  ruminating on exactly what is wrong in [TS]

  the world of Apple and related [TS]

  technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

  so perfect it cannot be complained about [TS]

  by my co-host and your friend John [TS]

  siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

  Friday November 23rd 2012 this is our [TS]

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  node dot-com how are you John Siracusa [TS]

  doing fine on this Black Friday dan you [TS]

  out there shopping you hitting the in [TS]

  the streets shopping I'm hitting the [TS]

  internet oh that count that counts for [TS]

  something much lower chance of being [TS]

  trampled to death what are you getting [TS]

  on the internet no same things i always [TS]

  get computer stuff computer stuff like [TS]

  one people want to know they were no [TS]

  stalking a cheap SD card in preparation [TS]

  for doing my data transfer from my wii [TS]

  to my as yet untested card for that okay [TS]

  and I don't have any hanging around I [TS]

  don't think so i'll try to get one of [TS]

  those it ridiculous bargain prices i'll [TS]

  look at the Apple deal see if anything [TS]

  good there I doubt there'll be anything [TS]

  good because it'll just be like you know [TS]

  ten bucks offer 30 bucks off or [TS]

  something no no I'm just poking around [TS]

  for you know stuff [TS]

  batteries and extension cords that is [TS]

  not that exciting or important but if [TS]

  you can get one for like ninety-eight [TS]

  percent off like all right well I need [TS]

  that if I needed that already why not [TS]

  now it's time to get that stuff not [TS]

  looking to buy anything I don't actually [TS]

  need just because it's cheap right you [TS]

  want you want the stuff you need that's [TS]

  all as the old people say that's how [TS]

  they get you or at least some old people [TS]

  say something like that all right and [TS]

  there's another reason this is a black [TS]

  friday and what reason is that dan I it [TS]

  is a black friday i suppose because we [TS]

  are going to discuss the end of [TS]

  hypercritical which is not this episode [TS]

  we've got five more after this that's [TS]

  right but the show that you are [TS]

  listening to now will be ending at [TS]

  episode 100 including episode 100 yes [TS]

  including any that sounds like a nice [TS]

  round number but it's not really it's [TS]

  not like I you know thanks for a hundred [TS]

  episodes right because two of those were [TS]

  kind of criticals which were you know [TS]

  episodes where Marco and Merlin filled [TS]

  in for me so it's not really a hundred [TS]

  episodes but yes as you announced in [TS]

  your five by five state of the union [TS]

  address on one was that like Monday or [TS]

  something uh yes that was monday that i [TS]

  released that I think or sunday i [TS]

  believe alright so Marcos ending build [TS]

  and analyzed and I am also ending this [TS]

  show both of them would have done or [TS]

  what he's done more than a hundred [TS]

  episodes somehow he got ahead of you i [TS]

  thought they I thought you started first [TS]

  but he started four okay he start a [TS]

  little bit first so he's done a few more [TS]

  episodes but both of you guys as I said [TS]

  in the State of the Union address and as [TS]

  you have as you have mentioned on [TS]

  twitter and hopefully we'll go into more [TS]

  detail now this has been and you had [TS]

  said to me the very first time when I [TS]

  after you were on the pipeline interview [TS]

  with me and you did a show a [TS]

  conversation with me where we had gabe [TS]

  newell on and I was so thrilled to do [TS]

  those shows with you that I proposed [TS]

  that we do a regular show and you at the [TS]

  time said i don't i don't know how much [TS]

  i actually have to complain about [TS]

  however i will do some shows and I don't [TS]

  know it if that means a few months or [TS]

  more turns out more than two years worth [TS]

  of stuff to complain about [TS]

  and you would always tell me I don't [TS]

  know how many more I can do but I'll do [TS]

  some more and so I always knew that one [TS]

  day that the day would come where you [TS]

  would say I'm I'm done complaining for a [TS]

  little while or forever yep I mean I [TS]

  people been asking why why and now and [TS]

  and by the way many many people have [TS]

  replied by Twitter and email and stopped [TS]

  to to say thank you for the show and [TS]

  that they enjoyed it or alternately to [TS]

  beg me not to stop I have not been able [TS]

  to respond every single one of those [TS]

  replies because there's just there's too [TS]

  many of them so I just that my policy [TS]

  was I can't respond individually unless [TS]

  someone asked some sort of specific [TS]

  question but I do appreciate everyone [TS]

  sending the tweets and their emails even [TS]

  if I didn't respond he was just because [TS]

  there were too many I was I was [TS]

  surprised by the outpouring and it was [TS]

  very nice to see all the affection and [TS]

  thanks and surprisingly this is also [TS]

  take this opportunity to gauge the [TS]

  success of various social networks or [TS]

  how people use things way more tweets [TS]

  than emails like you know as we have the [TS]

  feedback form and every week we get [TS]

  feedback about the show and follow-up [TS]

  and stuff like that or whatever so [TS]

  people know where that form is but the [TS]

  vast vast vast majority of people saying [TS]

  anything about the ending of the show [TS]

  came through Twitter right that little [TS]

  literally thousands of them whereas [TS]

  number of emails it was maybe you know [TS]

  like 20 30 or 40 those hope that's [TS]

  interesting to me just from a sort of [TS]

  digital digital anthropological [TS]

  perspective that if you because if you [TS]

  want to send just like a little note [TS]

  like hey thanks for the show like you [TS]

  don't want to write sit down write a big [TS]

  long email you just want to say some [TS]

  nice thing twitter is the perfect medium [TS]

  or that some anyway I pre-show that also [TS]

  an app that net people have been saying [TS]

  slightly longer thinks 255 character [TS]

  things but yeah I feel like that at this [TS]

  point the show has or has run its course [TS]

  like when I started the show and you're [TS]

  right it was basically for people who [TS]

  don't know behind the scenes it was like [TS]

  pulling teeth to get me to do this show [TS]

  10 dan is nothing if not persistent and [TS]

  so even just managed to do it but it was [TS]

  not like you know he you put in [TS]

  considerable effort to coerce me into [TS]

  doing the show at all like you know [TS]

  period and so once I did it unlike our I [TS]

  have a list of topics I want to cover [TS]

  and you know [TS]

  you broad area you did I remember in the [TS]

  beginning I've never seen the list by [TS]

  the way but you had this long detailed [TS]

  list that that that you would you would [TS]

  refer to yeah and it was that detail [TS]

  like one line item was like toasters [TS]

  that's all it said it was just a bullet [TS]

  point on the word toasters right this is [TS]

  I was sitting there on the list right [TS]

  you know I had video game consoles and [TS]

  you know but a bunch of a large topics [TS]

  of course television it was the very [TS]

  first show lots of big topics we want to [TS]

  do and I would add to that list [TS]

  eventually I to stop using that list but [TS]

  I had in mind a certain set of topics [TS]

  and I think I've covered pretty much [TS]

  everything I wanted to cover this show [TS]

  was never meant as sort of an ongoing [TS]

  news type program where we like you know [TS]

  I don't know like an example like [TS]

  Twitter or something where you just [TS]

  start even I mean I guess amplified kind [TS]

  of where we're like the show is a led a [TS]

  little bit by the news like occasionally [TS]

  we use the news as a jumping off point [TS]

  to discuss a topic like the last show we [TS]

  talked about arm and apple and that was [TS]

  using that story in wherever was [TS]

  business week or whatever about rumors [TS]

  of apple switching to arm processors and [TS]

  its max that was the news instigation [TS]

  but it wasn't that the show wasn't about [TS]

  let's talk about that news it was not [TS]

  even a current event it just if there [TS]

  was something there that triggered a [TS]

  thought for you then that would could be [TS]

  a topic of conversation potential right [TS]

  so that it was used as a way to enter [TS]

  into a conversation about something [TS]

  broader topic and of course talking [TS]

  about major news events every year was [TS]

  also expected like the Apple Keynote [TS]

  significant apple new harbour of course [TS]

  we're going to talk about those you know [TS]

  leading up to him stuff like that but [TS]

  that still leaves many many weeks in the [TS]

  year where there's not a major Apple [TS]

  event and there's not something in the [TS]

  news that just coincidentally serves as [TS]

  a jumping off point to a broader topic [TS]

  that I want to talk about so one of the [TS]

  big questions of people who didn't want [TS]

  the show down and say why not just do [TS]

  the show less frequently like all right [TS]

  so maybe there's not you don't want it [TS]

  to be a new show and it's not a lot of [TS]

  topics I do it every to do once a month [TS]

  week so once a month once every other [TS]

  month right so that brings up the next [TS]

  factor in this and buy them all these [TS]

  things like i'm i'm mostly summarizing [TS]

  your state of the union because you [TS]

  pretty much got everything right in [TS]

  there next point is that you know [TS]

  preparing for these shows takes time [TS]

  and it's not time that can easily be [TS]

  moved it's like you know the show is [TS]

  going to come on a certain schedule and [TS]

  that schedule doesn't move too much [TS]

  occasionally we've done you know on a [TS]

  weekend or something like that but you [TS]

  know a weekly or any sort of regular [TS]

  schedule show you know you need to it [TS]

  needs to be done that it doesn't move [TS]

  it's like a hard deadline and the the [TS]

  burden of the obligation to do that [TS]

  preparation is sort of bounced off by [TS]

  the good feelings of having done a good [TS]

  show and I know positive positive [TS]

  feedback from listeners and everything [TS]

  like so on the one side of is it is like [TS]

  wouldn't it feel good not to have to do [TS]

  a show this week or every week you know [TS]

  like I like that I don't have that [TS]

  homework assignment hanging out over my [TS]

  head and on the flip side of that is [TS]

  wouldn't it feel bad to not have done a [TS]

  show this week because you know enjoy me [TS]

  that are doing a child it's fun to do a [TS]

  show right so those two things have [TS]

  always been sort of a balancing off each [TS]

  other and when the relief of not having [TS]

  to do a show starts to surpass the [TS]

  potential regret of not having done the [TS]

  show that's what that's sort of how I'm [TS]

  gauging like when it's time to to you [TS]

  know time to call it quits because [TS]

  always it's been you know a burden and [TS]

  pressure to like you know you gotta get [TS]

  the show really show ready but it's a [TS]

  good kind of burden pressure because [TS]

  like oh but I really want to do the show [TS]

  you know I like and those are always in [TS]

  bouncing from week to week the bounce [TS]

  ships depending on how hectic my life is [TS]

  or whatever but I figure when that [TS]

  balance starts to shift where it feels [TS]

  like that the burden is starting to [TS]

  overwhelm the good feelings about doing [TS]

  the show then that's time to like you [TS]

  know NMR as Marco said in his blog post [TS]

  by the ending of his show as you talked [TS]

  about and build and analyze it's like I [TS]

  like the idea of kind of you know or as [TS]

  in the seinfeld episode with george [TS]

  leaving the room on a high note you [TS]

  always try to go out like on top right [TS]

  again you don't want it to just sort of [TS]

  have like that seasons you know six [TS]

  seven eight and nine of x files right [TS]

  how long it went i think the show wait [TS]

  to show wait to show should have ended [TS]

  after season six it didn't it kept going [TS]

  right so I don't want it to be like that [TS]

  uh and so like like you said in the [TS]

  State of the Union thing you know this [TS]

  is this is not my job podcasting as many [TS]

  people have you know people are [TS]

  surprised to learn that my job is not [TS]

  writing one article year for Ars [TS]

  Technica right [TS]

  that is not a job and it's also believed [TS]

  not doing a one hour podcast every week [TS]

  it would be nice that was a full-time [TS]

  job and if it was a full-time job I can [TS]

  tell you that the burden of doing one [TS]

  hour podcast a week is substantially [TS]

  less than the burden of going to an [TS]

  actual full time job site and by the way [TS]

  I mean you're full you do not you do not [TS]

  have a luxury of being one of these [TS]

  folks that works from home uh you you go [TS]

  into an office I've seen a picture of [TS]

  you in your office oh it's not even in [TS]

  office it's an it's a cube and you go in [TS]

  there not even a cube anymore it's not [TS]

  even cute anymore wow okay so and you [TS]

  you go into this thing and this is this [TS]

  is your job and you've made special [TS]

  arrangements this whole time to be at [TS]

  home oh and and moving your schedule [TS]

  around so that you could be home on [TS]

  Fridays to record and who knows how [TS]

  that's cut your career short become [TS]

  Irish alright but he knows i carve out a [TS]

  chunk of time on friday to be home but [TS]

  sometimes i have a meeting before the [TS]

  show and sometimes I've been meeting to [TS]

  really have to show that ghetto back so [TS]

  on I'm you know doing regular [TS]

  nine-to-five commute like that's how I [TS]

  listen all my podcast by the way I [TS]

  learned while I'm commuting in my car to [TS]

  my job and so like the normal day is you [TS]

  know you go in to work well you know [TS]

  wake up get the kids breakfast and [TS]

  everything get them dressed get them off [TS]

  to school right and then go off to work [TS]

  and then work full day and then come [TS]

  home from work make dinner and deal with [TS]

  homework and bath and do bedtimes and [TS]

  everything uh and then at that point uh [TS]

  yeah I don't meditate like like you do [TS]

  or used to I don't know if you still do [TS]

  it you know I don't need that stuff but [TS]

  I do need some time to unwind yeah and [TS]

  that's usually like after the kids are [TS]

  in bed I will just plop down on the [TS]

  couch and veg out and watching TV uh-huh [TS]

  and it used to be in my in my earlier [TS]

  life both before kids and before you [TS]

  know RSI rakic then kicked in like my [TS]

  unwinding time would also be in front of [TS]

  the computer but because of RSI of like [TS]

  train myself to do some sort of leisure [TS]

  time activity that does not involve [TS]

  typing and you know sitting in front of [TS]

  the TV is like it's actual positive [TS]

  reinforcement is it up by sitting in [TS]

  front of TV I'm actually doing something [TS]

  healthy for me because i'm not typing [TS]

  i'm not using a mouse right of course [TS]

  the ipad makes it so now I have a new [TS]

  activity that I can do without typing [TS]

  using a mouse but anyway ah that [TS]

  unwinding time you know I need because [TS]

  if you [TS]

  my schedule from the moment I wake up in [TS]

  some screaming child to the point where [TS]

  I finally get them off to bed now that's [TS]

  like my time and to have to go [TS]

  immediately from getting them into bed [TS]

  too okay now I have to do is a show prep [TS]

  for four hours and then I'll go to sleep [TS]

  you know that that cuts out like either [TS]

  either gives up my you know free time [TS]

  entirely for one day week or partially [TS]

  gives up my free time on multiple days [TS]

  that week which usually have runs they [TS]

  usually not do it all at once and that [TS]

  stops so like this that's the burden [TS]

  it's balanced off by like the you know [TS]

  how much I enjoy the show and everything [TS]

  and of course there's also other [TS]

  podcasts I'm on and frequently so if I [TS]

  have one of them during the week that [TS]

  cuts out another day Denton nights worth [TS]

  of free time and anything else I might [TS]

  want to do is so many things that you [TS]

  know I might want to get into a try or [TS]

  you know even though the non computer [TS]

  related things like say I keep using [TS]

  wood working as an example because i'm [TS]

  not actually encumbered working but it's [TS]

  a good example but say i just wanted to [TS]

  get into woodwork Oh what am I going to [TS]

  find time to do that you know so I think [TS]

  now is the time both in terms of you [TS]

  know subject matter and things I wanted [TS]

  to cover and also like time for me to [TS]

  you know cut this out and try something [TS]

  else for a while give give you know a [TS]

  see what else there is out there like [TS]

  two years is longer than I thought this [TS]

  would go I thought it may be the last [TS]

  year yeah that's what you're saying you [TS]

  you didn't you would not even commit to [TS]

  the year thing I mean I know I was not [TS]

  pressuring you to commit to it i was [TS]

  just saying like you were you were never [TS]

  like yeah um let's do for a year and see [TS]

  whatever you were like I I may only do [TS]

  one episode yeah or it could be like a [TS]

  couple months or whatever but I'm as [TS]

  surprised as anyone that it has gone on [TS]

  two years it's a testament to how much [TS]

  I've enjoyed doing the show but now I [TS]

  think it's definitely time to stop and [TS]

  so like there why not do it less [TS]

  frequently wouldn't that give you more [TS]

  free time or whatever it's like I just [TS]

  wanna you know just cut it off entirely [TS]

  so this is one hundred we're gonna be [TS]

  out even though it's not really hundreds [TS]

  like ninety eight ish or whatever and [TS]

  even if we don't make it to 100 because [TS]

  something happens or whatever probably [TS]

  you know basically through the end of [TS]

  the year will have gone for basically [TS]

  two years it will be you know the end [TS]

  it's a nice and cutting off point I [TS]

  think what I believe in behind is a nice [TS]

  body of work which I'm probably gonna [TS]

  talk about on some other show but not [TS]

  this one so I have a few things planned [TS]

  for the last few episodes like we're on [TS]

  95 now [TS]

  is 95 so we got five more five more one [TS]

  show before the end it will be a Q&A [TS]

  show or I will take questions from the [TS]

  chat room it's not going to be this show [TS]

  I'm not sure what show it will be so if [TS]

  you're listening to us now and you're [TS]

  one of those people who hangs out in the [TS]

  chat room uh it's good and under they [TS]

  have sales like this like you don't know [TS]

  which show it's going to be just being I [TS]

  would like to say oh it's definitely [TS]

  gonna be the next show it's gonna be 97 [TS]

  or something but I don't know I don't [TS]

  know what it's gonna be it would [TS]

  probably be the show where I am least [TS]

  prepared for the show that we can I say [TS]

  you know what this week is the Q&A show [TS]

  so anyway if you're interested in being [TS]

  in the Q&A so I'm sorry that I can't [TS]

  tell you ahead of time which show will [TS]

  be but on the other hand at dads [TS]

  elements of excitement and chance so who [TS]

  knows maybe you will be in the chat room [TS]

  when we do the Q&A show start thinking [TS]

  of your questions now there will be no [TS]

  formal process for submitting questions [TS]

  it would just be chaos because that's [TS]

  what the chat room is about chaos and if [TS]

  no one has questions then i'll just make [TS]

  Dan makeup question yeah I can I think [TS]

  put on your interview her hat and then [TS]

  we know those questions can be anything [TS]

  like they don't have to be about the [TS]

  ending of the show they could be about [TS]

  anything at all doesn't mean I'll answer [TS]

  them doesn't mean I'll have good answers [TS]

  but you know fully open field a lot of [TS]

  people but asking about this as well [TS]

  like why don't you do a show where you [TS]

  take questions from a chat room so that [TS]

  will happen before the end of that will [TS]

  happen yes okay uh and the final show [TS]

  episode 100 or whatever the final show [TS]

  is I already know what that show will be [TS]

  about so I'm not going to tell you so [TS]

  you don't need to give me ideas of what [TS]

  I should do for the last show no but [TS]

  just like with loss just like with lost [TS]

  you wrote the premiere and the finale at [TS]

  the same time that's true actually I [TS]

  knew I always know the less you always [TS]

  knew be about yes all right so do you [TS]

  think I covered that is there anything [TS]

  else do we need to talk about like that [TS]

  up unless she I will do more of a [TS]

  retrospective about the show that's not [TS]

  what the flesh I was entirely gonna be [TS]

  about but I don't have like a like an [TS]

  audio montage and you know music [TS]

  dramatic music swelling up and I'll have [TS]

  something all right seems like the chat [TS]

  room it they are very by the way just [TS]

  the sentiment the overall sentiment [TS]

  there's a lot of I know that you don't [TS]

  always activate your motion [TS]

  ship but on your behalf i will say that [TS]

  there are a lot of the scent overall [TS]

  overwhelming sentiment is kind of all [TS]

  the stages of sadness you know like the [TS]

  denial and disbelief and rejection anger [TS]

  all of it people are going through all [TS]

  including me are going through all of [TS]

  these things and i I just I just want to [TS]

  add and you kind of mentioned this but [TS]

  you cannot be persuaded that's one thing [TS]

  I want to make somewhat clear right in [TS]

  its is it you can't be persuaded there's [TS]

  nothing that I can do or that other [TS]

  folks can do that would encourage you to [TS]

  continue for example we should not start [TS]

  a Kickstarter project oh yeah you should [TS]

  not do that I mean there's nothing [TS]

  reasonable like you know you in your [TS]

  typical way made every effort to try to [TS]

  make the show not and but like there's [TS]

  nothing reasonable you can do it was [TS]

  like well if you're gonna get a million [TS]

  dollars in a little bit you stop no of [TS]

  course not man if you can give me a [TS]

  million dollars in episode I will do [TS]

  this show for at least 100 more that's [TS]

  up for a hundred million of axial examle [TS]

  and you know what I mean like nothing [TS]

  reasonable right there's nothing [TS]

  reasonable is not like you know it's [TS]

  it's just I feel like it's time and so [TS]

  if anything like and even if like yo the [TS]

  million dollars in episode type of thing [TS]

  like i would probably had John watch in [TS]

  the chat room says yay he's got a price [TS]

  well everyone has a price you know [TS]

  that's like you're asking to pay me to [TS]

  you know you know eat babies or [TS]

  something like if it would you do that I [TS]

  would not eat babies or any price no [TS]

  problem so not so there are some things [TS]

  then but it's not it's another because I [TS]

  have had people contact me like in [TS]

  depend on you and me in the contact form [TS]

  but like me be like can we can we help [TS]

  by raising money i would donate a [TS]

  hundred dollars or what you know like it [TS]

  just that should flatter you John people [TS]

  love you I love you people don't want [TS]

  this show to end I did like a lot of [TS]

  people saying like inspired by Marcos [TS]

  magazine thing like as we talked about [TS]

  this before like if we decide to charge [TS]

  one dollar in episode 4 the pockets how [TS]

  many people would pay and it's like a [TS]

  tiny percentage but all those people [TS]

  came out of the woodwork when the show [TS]

  was ending and said yeah I'll tell you a [TS]

  dollar shoulder like that's not you know [TS]

  I I'm fascinated by that for [TS]

  a financial perspective but it still [TS]

  don't want to keep doing the show like [TS]

  who and who knows that is the other [TS]

  question is like does this mean you're [TS]

  going to stop doing podcasts no I'll [TS]

  still be on being comparable for example [TS]

  but I'm just on that like every once in [TS]

  a while that's an inner that's an [TS]

  intermittent thing at you it's like [TS]

  voluntary like it you know there's a [TS]

  topic and they say anyone who wants to [TS]

  talk about blah you know you can come on [TS]

  the show so it's totally up to me when I [TS]

  want to be on that show at all and you [TS]

  have also you have also I don't even [TS]

  want to use the word as strong as [TS]

  indicated because that's almost too [TS]

  strong for the borderline [TS]

  acknowledgement / implication that there [TS]

  might be an agreement to be on like my [TS]

  other show the crossover or big week [TS]

  when it premieres but you you have not [TS]

  ruled that out as sometimes I I have not [TS]

  said I won't be on those you have no [TS]

  thank you there you haven't said that [TS]

  you won't not be on but it'll be exactly [TS]

  like being comparable you're talking [TS]

  about something I feel like talking [TS]

  about it i'll be on if i don't feel like [TS]

  it i won't like there's no obligation [TS]

  like that's a difference that's why i'm [TS]

  still doing the income world stuff [TS]

  because it's not is not a burden at all [TS]

  it's like oh if i have to blow it off to [TS]

  go do something like you know so what [TS]

  because i never young now i'm not going [TS]

  to volunteer myself to be on that show [TS]

  unless it's something i think i want to [TS]

  talk about and i have the time and if I [TS]

  don't oh well you know and you just also [TS]

  be clear and is in as much as as ever we [TS]

  are we are and will continue to be best [TS]

  best friends BFFs of course I can still [TS]

  send me your one line obscure technical [TS]

  questions but I am I think it I rate [TS]

  when I don't research them for you [TS]

  answer that has not happened for a long [TS]

  time it's at least several days that's [TS]

  right it definitely knew Dan oh and [TS]

  speaking of speaking of that like want [TS]

  one more thing like i said this on the [TS]

  hypercritical twitter account that's [TS]

  confusing to people on the [TS]

  understandably so this podcast that [TS]

  you're listening to is ending but [TS]

  hypercritical as a concept lives on and [TS]

  what does that mean well it means that [TS]

  my blog titled hypercritical which [TS]

  predates this podcast will continue to [TS]

  exist yes the blog that gets one post a [TS]

  year that blog the blog that nobody [TS]

  reads that blog but anyway it will [TS]

  continue to exist and by the way i have [TS]

  a new URL for that type of critical that [TS]

  CEO it's the same tumblr site it always [TS]

  was but one of the things i'm [TS]

  considering trying is i don't know if [TS]

  you heard about this thing what they [TS]

  called web logs but they shorten it and [TS]

  say blog instead [TS]

  I might I might try that I'd feel for [TS]

  the record for the record one thing you [TS]

  were you were in in as much as I've ever [TS]

  seen you you were adamant when we [TS]

  started this show you said that you had [TS]

  a name for the show and you were very [TS]

  clear that you would you would this name [TS]

  was yours it was absolute was yours it [TS]

  was something you've always wanted to [TS]

  haven't use and that if you did a show [TS]

  it could only be called hypercritical [TS]

  and that the name and the show is a [TS]

  concept everything that that was that [TS]

  that was yours and and yours alone right [TS]

  so I could in theory do another podcast [TS]

  called hypercritical now I have no plans [TS]

  to do this and it still wouldn't be the [TS]

  same show as this because the show was [TS]

  me and you and if I did another podcast [TS]

  called apricot I don't think i would [TS]

  probably ever do that boo who knows but [TS]

  it would definitely be different than [TS]

  this one because we're just be different [TS]

  cast of people maybe be me by myself [TS]

  maybe me with a group people but anyway [TS]

  I have no plans that I'm not talking [TS]

  with anybody about doing another podcast [TS]

  I want to break from podcasting which of [TS]

  course as soon as I say I'm ending this [TS]

  you know people come out of the woodwork [TS]

  and say oh you want to do this podcast [TS]

  like no I want to break yeah shot [TS]

  everybody just I need a break right [TS]

  anyway maybe maybe I will regret it and [TS]

  maybe after three months of not doing a [TS]

  podcast I will be ready to explode and [TS]

  want to come in and do something else [TS]

  but anyway there could very well be [TS]

  another podcast with the title [TS]

  hypocritical in the future uh-oh the [TS]

  main thing is it John and I know that [TS]

  everybody everybody listening to this [TS]

  agrees with me that we want more of you [TS]

  and whenever you're ready wherever you [TS]

  are whenever it whatever format you [TS]

  decide to deploy yourself in we are [TS]

  ready and we will miss you yeah I have a [TS]

  feeling though mostly be sporadic stuff [TS]

  like maybe I'll do a couple episodes [TS]

  some show with some random people I [TS]

  doubt I have no plans do any podcast [TS]

  collabera critical but if i do if i try [TS]

  blogging my blog they need to be called [TS]

  hypercritical and if i could ever get [TS]

  hyper critical calm that would be the [TS]

  URL but I can't get it so I still for [TS]

  the missing em I've hypercritical co uh [TS]

  and i don't know i think i saw the co [TS]

  from you big week co was linked with the [TS]

  first code i mean i thought it's just [TS]

  like that Kyle of is co domain you're [TS]

  missing the Emmett's all especially this [TS]

  browsers an hour being less [TS]

  I think it was Safari stylist used to be [TS]

  able to type a word and they would try [TS]

  calm and they would stick on wwe.com and [TS]

  they would try to find the URL and now [TS]

  they're being weird about that what I do [TS]

  a Google search half the time anyway I [TS]

  still want the column but they want too [TS]

  much money more money for it so hyper [TS]

  critical will live on what does that [TS]

  mean to you as podcast man probably not [TS]

  obvious like oh that's great so you're [TS]

  gonna continue to have a quitter twitter [TS]

  account in a blog you post to once a [TS]

  year i don't care i still want the [TS]

  podcast i understand that but anyway [TS]

  that that's that's what i mean by the [TS]

  idea that hypocritical will live on but [TS]

  this incarnation of the show will not I [TS]

  don't know how I would ever navigate [TS]

  that if I ever decide to have even if I [TS]

  came back to five by five to do i [TS]

  brokered over again I would probably [TS]

  call it something different or called [TS]

  hypercritical 'tu or hyper critical [TS]

  phase two or I don't know like it seems [TS]

  like it needs to be some sort of [TS]

  differentiation because you know as I [TS]

  will talk about on the the last show [TS]

  probably i do like what we've done here [TS]

  over a hundred episodes and I sort of [TS]

  wanted to or close two hundred episodes [TS]

  and I sort of wanted to stand alone as a [TS]

  thing but the name itself will live on [TS]

  um one more thing about the things we're [TS]

  gonna have the last show one of the last [TS]

  shows between now and the last show will [TS]

  have a siracusa county title oh yes [TS]

  which one will it be I don't know who [TS]

  will i get to pick will i get to pick [TS]

  the title will that back you know what [TS]

  that could be how about this i know [TS]

  that's a little too strong i know that [TS]

  I'm pushing you past the comfort zone [TS]

  could we collaborate on a title just [TS]

  collaborate a little and I'll be the [TS]

  voice of the chair people put in the [TS]

  chat room they put them in a bad mood [TS]

  aside the actual time oh I always decide [TS]

  the titles I picked this Eric you can t [TS]

  won because you liked it yes even though [TS]

  it wasn't said on the show but that's [TS]

  that's the input you have but I'm just [TS]

  saying that one of the title will be a [TS]

  ser accusing kind of title minute crowd [TS]

  fits a real crowd-pleaser John and if [TS]

  and if we don't have one up until the [TS]

  last show I just have I have to pick one [TS]

  for the last show so then all the [TS]

  suggestions would be variations on Sarah [TS]

  Hughes the camp now so it could it could [TS]

  be this episode that you listen to now [TS]

  or it could be the next one of the next [TS]

  one likes one or could be the last one [TS]

  but that is my plan as I tweeted [TS]

  probably now I would I this fantastic [TS]

  non siracusa county titles every single [TS]

  show up in the last one I don't know [TS]

  all right yeah well anyway listen [TS]

  everyone sad I'm sad and will always [TS]

  always will always enjoy and cherish the [TS]

  wonderful times we've had making these [TS]

  shows and let's have a good one right [TS]

  now let's do a show now when we do show [TS]

  okay let's do it all right why don't I [TS]

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  talking about today still a whole month [TS]

  to go you know what all right uh I know [TS]

  there's a whole month ago but it feels [TS]

  like the end I'm freaking out all right [TS]

  all right uh I have a one black friday [TS]

  deal that I tweeted is it okay to talk [TS]

  about this even though they're not a [TS]

  sponsor of course all right so this this [TS]

  relates but to back up vortex i think it [TS]

  was like episode 2 or something of this [TS]

  show about why you should back up and [TS]

  crash plan is having a black friday sale [TS]

  where I wants one of those sales but the [TS]

  price goes up every couple of hours so [TS]

  the later you listen to the show the [TS]

  less likely this deal is to be in place [TS]

  at all and obviously you don't listen to [TS]

  it until actually I think it lesson [TS]

  right now it's ninety percent ninety-six [TS]

  percent off on crashplan right for their [TS]

  me too every two hours the price will [TS]

  increase up until Monday the 26 at two [TS]

  p.m. central time so right now I'm gonna [TS]

  put this in the show notes it's a crash [TS]

  all right arm / big sale oh it's already [TS]

  there yes so what does that mean [TS]

  ninety-six percent up so hang on a [TS]

  second this ain't real it's real it's [TS]

  only for new customers so that is that [TS]

  good but I Avenue though alright so if [TS]

  you are a new customer and you do not [TS]

  currently subscribe to crash plan or if [TS]

  you're willing to try to game the system [TS]

  there are ways you can try to get it so [TS]

  you can get the steel in your existing [TS]

  customer but that would be slightly [TS]

  dishonest I did not do that anyway I [TS]

  have dollar least 70 some sense for them [TS]

  to for a year yeah alright so crashplan [TS]

  is an online backup service where your [TS]

  computer sends your data over the [TS]

  Internet and encrypted form to crash [TS]

  plans servers and you pay them what's [TS]

  normally a monthly or yearly fee for [TS]

  them to store your data for you so that [TS]

  your house burns down you can have [TS]

  crashplan you can pull your data back [TS]

  down from crashplan like backblaze which [TS]

  is the other backup service that i use [TS]

  they have an unlimited backup thing [TS]

  which means unlimited signing up right [TS]

  now it's not like five dollars per [TS]

  gigabyte or like you could not have up [TS]

  to 10 gigabytes unlimited data and they [TS]

  can afford to do this because no people [TS]

  don't have that much data but for people [TS]

  like me who have a lot this is a great [TS]

  deal because I love on them into date [TS]

  it's like all right here comes a [TS]

  terabyte of data have fun you know maybe [TS]

  you'll have less than that normally it's [TS]

  about a hundred dollars a year or around [TS]

  five dollars a month I don't remember [TS]

  the exact amounts which I still think [TS]

  it's a great deal I pay I have to I have [TS]

  backblaze and crashplan and I pay five [TS]

  dollars a month backblaze roughly in [TS]

  five dollars a month the crashplan I [TS]

  think I do the early deals but it's [TS]

  similar to that for different computers [TS]

  one of my max the mac i'm sitting in [TS]

  front of me now is backed up with [TS]

  Backblaze and my wife's mac has backed [TS]

  up with crashplan and the course to both [TS]

  done with also time machine and super [TS]

  duper and i think that's a great deal [TS]

  five dollars month and they'll store an [TS]

  unlimited amount of data for you sure [TS]

  i'll keep paying that forever i think [TS]

  it's a great idea that everyone should [TS]

  have it when people go i don't want [TS]

  another five dollar a month the bill or [TS]

  whatever well so crashplan is having [TS]

  this black friday deal where you can pay [TS]

  as of right now two dollars and forty [TS]

  cents not per month [TS]

  for an entire year of they will store [TS]

  all your data an unlimited amount of [TS]

  your data whatever you can upload and [TS]

  granted this depends on how fast your [TS]

  upload connection is how long is it [TS]

  going to take you to push all you did up [TS]

  to them right but to two hours and forty [TS]

  cents for the entire year that's ninety [TS]

  six percent off the normal price earlier [TS]

  today it was a hundred percent off it [TS]

  was completely free and then I was [TS]

  ninety-eight percent off and so on and [TS]

  so forth I just I just signed up right [TS]

  now I went for the 22 whatever computer [TS]

  plan yeah it's normally 120 bucks a year [TS]

  i just paid five dollars and seventy six [TS]

  cents right that's the family plan they [TS]

  also have a plans either from 2 to 10 [TS]

  computers we just want to backup one [TS]

  computer which is what i pay for its one [TS]

  price and you just one back up to 210 [TS]

  computers and by the way you can use of [TS]

  crash plan for free you can backup your [TS]

  stuff to a friends computer in a [TS]

  different house to another computer [TS]

  inside your own house which I don't [TS]

  recommend because the whole point is [TS]

  you're supposed to be getting stuff off [TS]

  site so i highly recommend both these [TS]

  types of both these things Backblaze and [TS]

  crafts on people keep asking me which [TS]

  one is better they both have pros and [TS]

  cons i always say it's pretty much a tie [TS]

  because i don't like the fact that crash [TS]

  plan is written in java and i can't [TS]

  really gauge the performance because [TS]

  crashplan is running on my pure SSD mac [TS]

  so if it's grinding my disco but never [TS]

  notice because i've got fast SSD is [TS]

  attached to it backblaze is not written [TS]

  in java and has a Native Client ah and [TS]

  as you know never really bothered my [TS]

  disk but crash plant has more features [TS]

  so it's like it's you know which one do [TS]

  i prefer i use them both i say it's both [TS]

  a tie they're both cheap to try i try [TS]

  them both if you hate one and try the [TS]

  other one over but this deal can't be [TS]

  beat this is especially for people who [TS]

  are like i don't want to pay five [TS]

  dollars a month you can't turn this down [TS]

  to dollars and forty cents for a whole [TS]

  year just do it it's cheaper than a [TS]

  coffee and then you could try it maybe [TS]

  it stinks maybe your upload connection [TS]

  is too slow maybe it's annoying and [TS]

  maybe the client invested with you who [TS]

  knows but it's two dollars and forty [TS]

  cents and really everyone should have an [TS]

  off-site backup so when your house burns [TS]

  down your pictures of your kids are [TS]

  somewhere it's safe well I'm suspenders [TS]

  my visiting guests here in the studio uh [TS]

  Sam just also i think signing up for it [TS]

  yeah it's a cup of coffee i told [TS]

  everyone i told my sister to sign up i [TS]

  called my brother that have been sign up [TS]

  for it because he's the people who would [TS]

  like haven't been willing to pay if I [TS]

  does seems like too geeky thing I tried [TS]

  to get my mother she's my parents are [TS]

  visiting tried to get her to do it it's [TS]

  just one more thing for me to learn but [TS]

  thankfully do the magic of drop [TS]

  she doesn't really have any data it's [TS]

  not it's actually on her computer of her [TS]

  computer fell into lake she would be [TS]

  fine she doesn't store photos on it or [TS]

  anything and all her important stuff is [TS]

  already in cloud stuff but anyway if I [TS]

  could if I can convince her to get this [TS]

  deal i would so for people who are [TS]

  listening live this is what you get a [TS]

  reminder that you can now get an amazing [TS]

  deal on this and when the year is up you [TS]

  will have to if you wanted to keep going [TS]

  after year you'll have to pay the full [TS]

  price like this doesn't last forever [TS]

  it's just it's just the cheap price for [TS]

  one year I don't know if it auto renew [TS]

  or not or if you have to remember to [TS]

  cancel what I'm pretty sure it doesn't [TS]

  auto renew it pretty sure when your year [TS]

  starts coming up they'll start sending [TS]

  you email saying hey your things about [TS]

  to expire in a year if you want to [TS]

  continue to have your back up you should [TS]

  really start paying and at that point i [TS]

  would say yes you should really start [TS]

  paying because you put in the time to [TS]

  upload your however many gigabytes of [TS]

  data just pay five dollars a month it's [TS]

  worth it for the peace of mind if you [TS]

  have data that you would be sad if it [TS]

  disappeared like you know if you have [TS]

  more data than fits on like a dropbox [TS]

  account that you're already using you [TS]

  don't have a cloud backup strategy and [TS]

  you have pictures of your kids really [TS]

  you should do some sort of off-site [TS]

  backup now some of the chatroom says you [TS]

  can check a box either auto renew or not [TS]

  auto renew when you sign up so there you [TS]

  go i unchecked it because i may not like [TS]

  it but there you go so you when you sign [TS]

  up you can choose whether you want to [TS]

  Nick no you know so that that was the [TS]

  free ad for a crash plan but really [TS]

  that's that's an amazing deal like it's [TS]

  you know because it costs them money to [TS]

  it's not like oh well yeah it's really [TS]

  give it to us for free but doesn't cost [TS]

  them anything it does they have to store [TS]

  your data like you they have to keep [TS]

  your data on the series of hard drives [TS]

  or whatever crazy storage thingy you [TS]

  were costing them money and they're [TS]

  basically giving away for free for an [TS]

  entire year in the hopes that you will [TS]

  come to like it and then pay them you [TS]

  know if I'd belt a month after that I [TS]

  don't you said you said you can send [TS]

  them a hard drive I don't know I have [TS]

  never done that I believe you can most [TS]

  of these services have a way I would [TS]

  never do that because i have really fast [TS]

  internet connection unfortunately a lot [TS]

  of like my internet connection has what [TS]

  is it thirty five megabits up which is [TS]

  not as fast marcos a crazy expensive one [TS]

  because i think 35 sent for me but I [TS]

  most of these services cannot accept 35 [TS]

  megabits per second upload like they [TS]

  don't saturate my upload pipe when I'm [TS]

  uploaded to them we're just kind of a [TS]

  shame but you know at least I can my [TS]

  connection can peek to whatever their [TS]

  able to handle it really depends on how [TS]

  far you are from their data center and [TS]

  stuff like that because some people say [TS]

  they have gotten much better speeds than [TS]

  me on both backpack weighs and crash man [TS]

  but from my location I get you know 5 10 [TS]

  megabits per second maybe a I don't [TS]

  think i've ever seen higher than 10 [TS]

  megabits up for these things but so it [TS]

  does take a long time to upload you did [TS]

  but yeah if you were impatient you could [TS]

  send the hard drive but I am NOT [TS]

  impatient because I have eight million [TS]

  other backups all right back to some [TS]

  more traditional follow up on the last [TS]

  show we talked about arm vs intel and [TS]

  apples use of same in their max I was [TS]

  talking about Intel's market cap and the [TS]

  fact that Apple has probably enough cash [TS]

  to buy Intel wanted to despite the fact [TS]

  that's probably silly idea and antitrust [TS]

  and blah blah blah and at the time my [TS]

  red Intel's market cap people in the [TS]

  chat room we're saying until it's not [TS]

  worth 1,000,000,000 have a 1 billion [TS]

  dollar market cap and I ignored them [TS]

  because I said those people must have [TS]

  misheard me because I have here in my [TS]

  notes written the exact market cap of [TS]

  Intel and I just read it so normally [TS]

  when people say something chat room I [TS]

  like oh did I say that long correct [TS]

  myself oh no I didn't say 1 billion [TS]

  dollars i'm staring at the number as i [TS]

  spoke the words about their market cap [TS]

  well welcome back to listen to the [TS]

  episode i'm staring at in my notes the [TS]

  number 10 4.22 and then a capital B and [TS]

  what I actually said was 1.4 ah so I [TS]

  apologize my inability to read numbers [TS]

  off of my show notes continues 104 point [TS]

  to two billion dollars is Intel's market [TS]

  gap everything else still stands Apple [TS]

  does have about 100 million dollars you [TS]

  know in cash and long term securities [TS]

  blah blah blah like not that you know [TS]

  anyway it's not outside the realm of [TS]

  possibility that Apple could buy Intel [TS]

  financially speaking you know from a [TS]

  regulatory perspective and from a sanity [TS]

  perspective for whether Apple would he [TS]

  ever even want intel that's a hold of [TS]

  deal but I was just pointing out that [TS]

  what a crazy world we live in where that [TS]

  that is even financially feasible and i [TS]

  think i read an apples market cap [TS]

  correctly it's like 500 billion or [TS]

  something like that and has been at [TS]

  various times much higher so i apologize [TS]

  to the chat room i will never doubt you [TS]

  and I will never trust my ability to [TS]

  read numbers off my show notes one more [TS]

  thing which I am aware that I do all the [TS]

  time but it's difficult is silicon [TS]

  versus silicon silicon is you know the [TS]

  thing that chips are made out of and [TS]

  silicon is a rubber synthetic polymer [TS]

  thing that I like to use for cases for [TS]

  my ipod touches and stuff the only [TS]

  difference is little at the end but it [TS]

  makes very big difference in terms of [TS]

  materials so when talking about chips [TS]

  last episode at various times I said [TS]

  silicon still silicon anytime we're [TS]

  talking about chips I'm trying to say [TS]

  silicon occasionally my mouth says [TS]

  silicon so I apologize for that slight [TS]

  difference yes this is a way back follow [TS]

  up about fusion drive which talked about [TS]

  apples way to combine a SSD and a hard [TS]

  dive into one logical volume that has [TS]

  really good performance characteristics [TS]

  many people have been complaining about [TS]

  the fact that during testing it seems [TS]

  that when you do like a right to are you [TS]

  doing anything with a fusion drive if [TS]

  the spinning part of the fusion drive is [TS]

  asleep it will spin up which seems like [TS]

  a shame is people like oh well what if [TS]

  I'm just doing stuff with the SSD [TS]

  welcome only reading and writing files [TS]

  that are totally residing st and of [TS]

  course fusion does all its rights [TS]

  initially to the SSD and it may send [TS]

  them to the hard disk later but [TS]

  apparently when you do anything to a [TS]

  fusion drive like the logical [TS]

  combination of the SSD and the spinning [TS]

  disk if the spinning disk is asleep it [TS]

  will wake up even if you're not going to [TS]

  do anything with it even if you're not [TS]

  going to put any data over to it not [TS]

  going to read any data from it it just [TS]

  spins up I'm not sure why that is it may [TS]

  just be a weird implementation thing [TS]

  that or maybe make sense from the [TS]

  perspective of you have to write [TS]

  something two if by the time you have to [TS]

  write something to you don't decide then [TS]

  just spin the drive up because then [TS]

  you're gonna have this big delay better [TS]

  to just spin the drop all the time I [TS]

  don't think this is that big a deal [TS]

  because my spinning drive is up all the [TS]

  time yeah now anyway because it's my [TS]

  boot drive and it never goes to sleep [TS]

  right i have my disc set to go to sleep [TS]

  when they're not in use but obviously [TS]

  unmount the ones that are in use and so [TS]

  all my jobs are spending all the time so [TS]

  i don't think this is a big deal for me [TS]

  but for people who had been doing a sort [TS]

  of manual fusion drive with a through a [TS]

  series of symlinks put like the only the [TS]

  files they want on the SSD and the other [TS]

  files on the spinning disk [TS]

  is a downgrade for them because it used [TS]

  to be with the symlink thing if you [TS]

  never touch anything on the spinning [TS]

  drive uh you would always they would it [TS]

  wouldn't spin up it would just go to [TS]

  sleep and stay asleep so i'll be [TS]

  watching that to see how annoying it is [TS]

  when i get in 2013 when i get my macpro [TS]

  it ships by default with the fusion [TS]

  drive fingers crossed I'll see how [TS]

  annoying that is but i just want to [TS]

  point out it Phil Blackwell is the [TS]

  person who brought that to my attention [TS]

  just before the show although I've seen [TS]

  many people complaining about it all [TS]

  right now in fact the main the main part [TS]

  of the show is going to be follow-up on [TS]

  arm vs apple stuff so just to prepare [TS]

  everybody this this is going to be like [TS]

  a full follow-up show and have one minor [TS]

  topic at the end of it if we get to it [TS]

  so moving on to that follow up this is [TS]

  firm Aaron rosenblum talking about a [TS]

  cisco versus risk on the on the pasho in [TS]

  the past show where you went into great [TS]

  detail and we all learned a lot more [TS]

  maybe than we were expecting to about [TS]

  risk but life and love life in love and [TS]

  the Jenners that we're all on together [TS]

  until the Mayans prophecy comes to pass [TS]

  yeah a lot of people said boy I wish you [TS]

  know I wish that John was my college [TS]

  professor to teach me about these things [TS]

  involve all I mean anyone who actually [TS]

  knows about these topics or learned [TS]

  about them in a formal setting knows all [TS]

  the things that I you know [TS]

  oversimplified in in that discussion and [TS]

  all the things that like you know that [TS]

  analogy with the sewing machines stuff [TS]

  like that the reason you enjoy that [TS]

  podcast more than a college courses [TS]

  because the college course is actually [TS]

  rigorous and correct and so I would [TS]

  encourage everybody not to think like [TS]

  now I've learned everything there is a [TS]

  no by risking sisk no you didn't I like [TS]

  I gave like I said the Cliff Notes [TS]

  version if you read the CliffsNotes [TS]

  version of a not you didn't read the [TS]

  novel like there really is a lot no one [TS]

  understand here I was trying to give [TS]

  like it you know sort of all right you [TS]

  assuming you don't actually want to [TS]

  understand the details of this because [TS]

  like I'm not that interested but just [TS]

  give me sort of the gist of it i think i [TS]

  gave the gist of it but you know as [TS]

  someone who has gone through this in a [TS]

  formal way listening to my own show like [TS]

  oh geez like no that's not really right [TS]

  oh that's not quite though you know but [TS]

  so it should be more fun to listen to [TS]

  the college you know of course because [TS]

  it's not as good as a college course [TS]

  it's not as informative is not an [TS]

  accurate as a college course so anyone [TS]

  who [TS]

  really is interested in this stuff it's [TS]

  not that much more difficult than what I [TS]

  explained but there are lots and lots of [TS]

  details and it's actually kind of fun to [TS]

  pick whatever level you think is the [TS]

  lowest level that you're interested in [TS]

  like say you're not interested in [TS]

  physics I don't care about what the [TS]

  subatomic particles been doing inside my [TS]

  computer right I don't want to learn [TS]

  about that because it's really [TS]

  complicated and it is it's really [TS]

  complicated and it gets really crazy [TS]

  when you get down and took physics and [TS]

  stuff like that just say okay I'm going [TS]

  to assume there's something called an [TS]

  and gate and or gate and an and gate or [TS]

  whatever right I don't know how they [TS]

  work inside I don't have to know all I [TS]

  have to know is this is how they work [TS]

  electrically right you can start from [TS]

  there and understand like boolean logic [TS]

  and go through that and work your way up [TS]

  to understanding how modern computer [TS]

  works and it's not really that [TS]

  complicated it's there's nothing [TS]

  mind-bending in it Larry you know [TS]

  there's nothing that I found is [TS]

  challenging is advanced mathematics or [TS]

  physics it's really something that it's [TS]

  got the wood working again it's no more [TS]

  complicated than woodworking you can [TS]

  learn how a modern computer work [TS]

  starting from the gate level ignoring [TS]

  everything below that and working your [TS]

  way up from first principles anybody can [TS]

  learn that and it's actually interesting [TS]

  and fascinating it will give you insight [TS]

  into how computers work believe it or [TS]

  not that's why I feel bad for the people [TS]

  who have CS degrees where they don't [TS]

  actually learn how the machine works [TS]

  it's not like I'm bemoaning the fact [TS]

  that they learn Java and they should be [TS]

  learning assembly and not that but like [TS]

  I think it's very interesting and how we [TS]

  how we built their way up from the first [TS]

  guy who builds a transistor all the way [TS]

  up to the computers we have today and I [TS]

  think any person can actually walk that [TS]

  path and learn that stuff so go get some [TS]

  college textbooks and start first [TS]

  principles and you can get there all on [TS]

  your own like you don't need a professor [TS]

  to teach it to you or anything it's [TS]

  really very straightforward stuff so [TS]

  anyway that's sidebar and Rosenbaum says [TS]

  that rosenblum points out something that [TS]

  I forgot to talk about am I fail in my [TS]

  talk about risk and sisk was that when [TS]

  the cysts CPUs were conceived no they [TS]

  weren't called sisk back when they were [TS]

  just called CPUs but anyway when they [TS]

  were conceived the cost of memory was [TS]

  tremendously i mean the original mac at [TS]

  128 kilobytes of memory it's not because [TS]

  they were stingy it's because memory [TS]

  just costs a huge amount of money right [TS]

  oh and the advantage of a cisco program [TS]

  in that environment [TS]

  it can be shorter you just need one [TS]

  instruction to do you know move the data [TS]

  from memory address to another memory [TS]

  address you don't need to instructions [TS]

  to do that and one instruction takes up [TS]

  less room than two instructions and so [TS]

  sisk by having a single instruction that [TS]

  the that will you know tell the CPU to [TS]

  do a complicated operation makes your [TS]

  program smaller and sprawl our programs [TS]

  means less memory on disk minutes lemme [TS]

  less memory to you know store and run [TS]

  them and also this is another thing we [TS]

  get to later and the follow up / topic [TS]

  here variable-length instructions to [TS]

  talk about an x86 / certain instructions [TS]

  are shorter than other instructions as [TS]

  opposed to the risk philosophy is we [TS]

  just may call for instructions exactly [TS]

  the same size we can build all our [TS]

  machinery to just not deal with you know [TS]

  it's much easier we can just pull you [TS]

  know 32-bit instruction a 32-bit [TS]

  instruction you know exactly where each [TS]

  instruction begins and ends and your [TS]

  decoding hardware can be simpler and you [TS]

  know it's much easier than a [TS]

  variable-length instruction stream but [TS]

  variable like instructions like an x86 a [TS]

  kind of a simple form of instruction [TS]

  stream compression because you know [TS]

  you'd presume that the most common [TS]

  instructions will be the shortest and [TS]

  then the more obscure instructions would [TS]

  be longer and now you're basically you [TS]

  know compressing your instruction stream [TS]

  which even in the case where memory [TS]

  doesn't cost a lot is good for you know [TS]

  bandwidth and stuff like that so thanks [TS]

  Aaron for reminding about the the [TS]

  relationship between sisk and memory [TS]

  usage one more on the well many more the [TS]

  apple arm thing but this was a little [TS]

  weird this is created I mean were you [TS]

  expecting this much feedback John yes I [TS]

  thought I might have an entire separate [TS]

  second show on it and so good and so [TS]

  here we are uh but this one is more of a [TS]

  traditional polyp or non-traditional [TS]

  anyway we talked about sticky tape [TS]

  because i gave a link to the YouTube [TS]

  clips of the secret life of machines [TS]

  which is a british show yes in [TS]

  particular the episode where they show [TS]

  you how a sewing machine works and i [TS]

  said that the show was memorable to me [TS]

  from when I was a kid because I said [TS]

  sticky tape which I thought was charming [TS]

  and strange from an American perspective [TS]

  but I am informed by many people [TS]

  including David Wright that the British [TS]

  people do not call it sticky tape either [TS]

  they call it sellotape and sellotape is [TS]

  the name brand kind of like scotch tape [TS]

  here in the US so [TS]

  TV they didn't want to call it sellotape [TS]

  like when they say here i have a cola [TS]

  instead of saying a coke and I got the [TS]

  can covered or whatever well so they [TS]

  didn't want to call it sticky tape [TS]

  didn't want to call it sellotape so they [TS]

  called sticky tape instead and he says [TS]

  on one BBC TV show they called it sticky [TS]

  back plastic which met with universal [TS]

  derision and mockery and he says I think [TS]

  people assumed it was an Americanism [TS]

  nope it is not an Americanism no one [TS]

  here so sticky back plastic so here we [TS]

  are both assuming we have crazy ways to [TS]

  say things but then further discussion [TS]

  this was on app.net we came down with [TS]

  this consensus from the few people that [TS]

  replied in the UK they call it sellotape [TS]

  SEL OU d AP and the u.s. is called [TS]

  scotch tape both those are name brand [TS]

  and Australia apparently they do really [TS]

  call it sticky tape I don't know why so [TS]

  I'm hesitant to ask for any further [TS]

  clarification if I'm getting this wrong [TS]

  but the consensus on apt then that was [TS]

  UK sellotape us scotch tape Australia [TS]

  sticky tape and there you go more than [TS]

  you ever wanted to know about clear [TS]

  plastic tape all right one other thing [TS]

  on Apple and arm one more thing an apple [TS]

  on arm a couple people pointed this out [TS]

  it didn't save the names what if Apple [TS]

  switch to arm and it's max what happens [TS]

  to boot camp camp is the thing that lets [TS]

  you reboot your Mac into windows as if [TS]

  it was just a PC no I'm not emulation [TS]

  just you're just accessing the CPU and [TS]

  they provide drivers and a special boot [TS]

  partition and that kind of good stuff [TS]

  yeah it just looks like a PC as far as [TS]

  Windows is concerned and I love boot [TS]

  camp as a Mac user and a gamer because [TS]

  that means I have complete access to [TS]

  every Windows game that I want because [TS]

  there's no issues whatsoever just I'm [TS]

  happen to be using a pc with with a [TS]

  weird-looking case and all the windows [TS]

  games aren't great on well if you switch [TS]

  to arm boot camp goes away except for [TS]

  the fact that Microsoft has ported [TS]

  windows to armed with Windows RT so [TS]

  there's you know like well what it by [TS]

  the time this happens maybe you know [TS]

  Windows RT becomes a dominant form of [TS]

  Windows and game developers for making [TS]

  games for windows start targeting [TS]

  Windows RT but there are a lot of [TS]

  complaints from game makers about [TS]

  windows 8 and how it friendly it is to [TS]

  writing games for PCs and I don't know [TS]

  if pc game makers are going to be whole [TS]

  heartedly [TS]

  bracing Windows RT running an arm but [TS]

  from the current perspective yeah if you [TS]

  were if the apples to go with arm boot [TS]

  camp as we currently know it the ability [TS]

  to run windows for x86 and all the games [TS]

  they run on when I was four I say six [TS]

  that would go away and that would be [TS]

  said I mean yes you can need to [TS]

  emulation in the same way we used to do [TS]

  emulation with a virtual pc but [TS]

  emulation is super slow and really not [TS]

  tenable four games at all which is a [TS]

  shame so I would be sad to see like that [TS]

  should have been mentioned that [TS]

  unabashed show all right now we get into [TS]

  the meat of Apple versus arm and a lot [TS]

  of us relating to you know my assessment [TS]

  of Intel and where they are with respect [TS]

  to arm and cpu race and stuff like that [TS]

  so this is from let's see how to do here [TS]

  maurits norland he's got some [TS]

  information about intelligence Apple is [TS]

  so large today the Intel doesn't have [TS]

  the fab space for Apple would need a [TS]

  whole new 22 nanometer fab just for [TS]

  themselves we're talking about fifty to [TS]

  eighty thousand 22 nanometer wafer [TS]

  starts per month so saying that if Apple [TS]

  wanted in tell toofab all their CV use [TS]

  who are the mole their arm CPUs like [TS]

  Intel couldn't do it there was an Intel [TS]

  can you please you know fab every single [TS]

  CPU that we have in all our ipod touches [TS]

  all our iphones and our ipads until [TS]

  wouldnt have the capacity even if they [TS]

  were willing to do it oh and the fun [TS]

  thing is he says intel have lots empty [TS]

  space if they don't just just don't do [TS]

  anything because last year x86 lost [TS]

  twenty five percent market share to arm [TS]

  it's just hidden because they don't [TS]

  count tablets as computers he points out [TS]

  that the average selling price of an [TS]

  ipad today is higher than the average [TS]

  selling price of a pc so it's kind of [TS]

  silly to say okay well intel is the [TS]

  leading pc cpu maker but that's just [TS]

  because ipads don't count as pcs and [TS]

  this is an ongoing thing with how do how [TS]

  do you count ipads in terms of market [TS]

  share and stuff like that and that's [TS]

  that's a mess for all of the people who [TS]

  released those reports about who's got [TS]

  what market share of what market like [TS]

  that that will sort itself out and [TS]

  really has nothing to do with the [TS]

  reality situation the reality situation [TS]

  is at Apple is selling tons and tons [TS]

  devices with arm CPUs and a much much [TS]

  smaller number of devices with Intel [TS]

  CPUs and even if Apple could get our [TS]

  Intel to fab all of its arm CPUs Intel [TS]

  couldn't do if this doesn't have the [TS]

  capacity this according to merits my [TS]

  addition to this is that Apple needs a [TS]

  really beefy GPU for like for its retina [TS]

  displays and paroled being on that goes [TS]

  tens GUI is powered by OpenGL all that [TS]

  stuff right and for many many years [TS]

  Intel's integrated GPUs we're really [TS]

  crappy the integrated GPU is the GPU [TS]

  they put now currently on die with the [TS]

  CPU because if you got so many [TS]

  transistors they need something to use [TS]

  the mana so we can put the GPU right on [TS]

  diets and it's you know much more [TS]

  economical and faster and better but [TS]

  they were putting crappy GPUs on on [TS]

  their CPUs so Intel for years has been [TS]

  pressuring our Apple for years since I'm [TS]

  pressuring Intel to make better [TS]

  integrated GPUs they wanted Intel to put [TS]

  a really good world-class GPU on on the [TS]

  cpu die and remember all those years of [TS]

  apple shipping things like well we've [TS]

  got a crappy GPU on the cpu but with [TS]

  then we've got a discrete GPU from [TS]

  Nvidia whoever you know on laptops and [TS]

  stuff like that and Apple to this crazy [TS]

  things we switch between GPUs that's [TS]

  really kind of hacky and problematic and [TS]

  they said well when you do something [TS]

  fancy like or play a game or something [TS]

  we'll use the really powerful discrete [TS]

  GPU but when you're the scrolling window [TS]

  will try to use the integrated one [TS]

  that's a big mess Apple would really [TS]

  like to simplify that now Intel's HD [TS]

  graphics 4000 that are on the current [TS]

  line of retina macbook pro 15-inch in 30 [TS]

  inch that integrated GPU can barely [TS]

  handle the 15-inch retina display [TS]

  especially at this the higher than [TS]

  native resolution modes like where you [TS]

  can tell that you can tell a retina [TS]

  MacBook Pro to pretend it has a 1920 x [TS]

  1200 screen and what it actually does is [TS]

  it renders everything into a 3840 x 2400 [TS]

  pixel thing that's too big for the the [TS]

  actual native LCD to display and then it [TS]

  scales that image down and shows it on [TS]

  the display every everything in the GPU [TS]

  it thinks its handling like a you know a [TS]

  screen that's a that's almost 4000 [TS]

  pixels wide and the GPU is just can just [TS]

  barely squeaked by being able to handle [TS]

  that [TS]

  the kind of chokes and stutters [TS]

  occasionally doing something simple as [TS]

  scrolling it like it it's acceptable [TS]

  it's okay but it's just really at the [TS]

  limits of what Intel's latest and [TS]

  greatest instigate integrated GPU can [TS]

  handle and so the upcoming integrated [TS]

  intel GPUs will be much more powerful [TS]

  and one of the features they're likely [TS]

  to have at apple's behest is integrated [TS]

  dram like dedicated ram and if you leave [TS]

  us there putting ram under the cpu but [TS]

  just yet sounds crazy but you know how [TS]

  you gotta get a lot of transistors so [TS]

  they've got the cpu on the cpu die [TS]

  they've got the GPU on the cpu die and [TS]

  they're also going to have some amount [TS]

  some small amount of ram like you know [TS]

  64 128 Meg's dedicated just for the GPU [TS]

  we'll talk more about that in a bit but [TS]

  this is the kind of thing that the Apple [TS]

  wants from Intel back to merits I says [TS]

  that Apple start talking to AMD a while [TS]

  back because AMD has better gpop of [TS]

  course they bought a TI and so we've got [TS]

  the whole radeon line or whatever and [TS]

  the reason apples talking to md [TS]

  according to merits is like Intel was [TS]

  not giving the GPUs they want and like [TS]

  well you know Andy has great GPUs but [TS]

  aim d can't supply apple with the CPUs [TS]

  that it needs it doesn't have the [TS]

  foundry capacity so right now according [TS]

  to Mars Apple is looking for a way out [TS]

  from Intel's monopoly grip and Intel [TS]

  knows it that's why they're subsidizing [TS]

  ultrabooks and all that other stuff [TS]

  further you know Intel's encouraging PC [TS]

  makers to basically make macbook air [TS]

  clones which is not making their partner [TS]

  Apple particularly happy and yeah does [TS]

  this trouble in paradise as we talked [TS]

  about ah and so this is the last one [TS]

  yeah so finally here's a big piece of [TS]

  follow-up the best kind of fob which is [TS]

  anonymous follow-up gotta love the [TS]

  anonymous follow-up so anonymous rights [TS]

  oh that Intel just doubled the size of [TS]

  its brand-new d1x fav in Oregon so its [TS]

  link in the show notes and you and some [TS]

  Oregon local website talking about this [TS]

  an anonymous says that he's heard that [TS]

  other fab locations including fab 42 and [TS]

  Chandler are expected to have big [TS]

  expansions and by the way both d1x and [TS]

  fab 42 I love these names it sounds like [TS]

  they're like code names of bases in a [TS]

  video game head the real things both d1x [TS]

  and fab 42 or 14 nanometer so [TS]

  so this is how the game works in [TS]

  interworld we talked about how their 22 [TS]

  nanometer and their fabbing full-size [TS]

  complicated CPUs at 22 nanometer other [TS]

  people are not like apples ARM chips or [TS]

  32 nanometer the way you have to do it [TS]

  is while your fabbing things 22 [TS]

  nanometer they have to be building and [TS]

  repairing the fabs for the next size in [TS]

  the next size is 14 nanometer so that's [TS]

  how the state generation had if they're [TS]

  always a generation ahead and no one can [TS]

  no one could skip a generation if the [TS]

  people who are currently fabbing at 32 [TS]

  nanometers can't immediately jump to 14 [TS]

  they're gonna have to jump to 22 and [TS]

  Intel will be jumping to 14 so V 1 x + 5 [TS]

  42 or 40 nanometers given this info I [TS]

  can only guess that Intel is hedging its [TS]

  bets a little in the case where the [TS]

  market moves too quickly from x86 and [TS]

  that it can play a role similar to [TS]

  Samsung where fabs for everyone but [TS]

  still designs and sells is on core IP so [TS]

  this anonymous a person is saying that [TS]

  the vast expansions of these fabs at 40 [TS]

  nanometers are kind of a hedge against [TS]

  like okay well if the market totally [TS]

  moves to arm and like nobody buys x86 [TS]

  CPUs anymore like everything is tablets [TS]

  an arm at the very least Intel will be [TS]

  positioned to say okay we have [TS]

  tremendous fab capacity 40 nanometers we [TS]

  will fab your arm chips for you because [TS]

  we know you guys can't vote for 40 [TS]

  nanometers you guys are just sorting out [TS]

  22 or whatever right so that's a hedge [TS]

  there and as anonymous says this is not [TS]

  an ideal scenario you give up a lot in [TS]

  profit when you're just a fab but it [TS]

  would get Intel into the phone market [TS]

  pretty quickly and it will continue to [TS]

  feed it capital to spend on [TS]

  manufacturing rd so Justin with Fabio [TS]

  pass a dilaudid would give it enough [TS]

  revenue to just continue to stay a [TS]

  generation head and process right that's [TS]

  not a great future for Intel they just [TS]

  become the world's best fab and that's [TS]

  it but it's a future I guess and by the [TS]

  way Intel does have CPUs and phones a [TS]

  lot of people sent me this link to the [TS]

  latest motorola razr that has an intel [TS]

  cpu which is not terribly embarrassing [TS]

  it's fine right but they still got a [TS]

  long way to go to catch up in terms of [TS]

  sales with the arm stuff and according [TS]

  to anonymous there are rumors that Intel [TS]

  will be fabbing the a7 we talked about [TS]

  this in the last show I didn't even know [TS]

  actually rumors but just rumor you were [TS]

  discussing this without knowledge of the [TS]

  potential that there were rumors you [TS]

  were saying would would they do this [TS]

  could they do this right and so again [TS]

  Apple Intel doesn't really want to be in [TS]

  the business of fabbing other people's [TS]

  CPU designs and much more profitable [TS]

  when you can sell the CPUs yourselves [TS]

  like [TS]

  the profit margins when they sell their [TS]

  own CPUs are huge especially when [TS]

  they're you know when they've already [TS]

  ramped up and everything in the profit [TS]

  margin being someone else's fab are not [TS]

  great that's another reason by the way [TS]

  why Apple would want to go to arm is [TS]

  because they don't have to pay for [TS]

  someone else's profit markets like you [TS]

  know they'd you give up you know ten [TS]

  twenty percent to the person who's [TS]

  fabbing the chips instead of giving up [TS]

  like eighty percent of the price of an [TS]

  intel cpu like it's eighty percent [TS]

  profit for Intel to make their CPUs at [TS]

  sort of the you know when they're really [TS]

  going and cranking these things out does [TS]

  not cost that much to make one of these [TS]

  it's all upfront costs to make the fab [TS]

  and everything but once it gets cranking [TS]

  you can especially like on the Xeon [TS]

  parts and everything with this huge [TS]

  profit margins on those chips whereas if [TS]

  you're fabbing in your own design you're [TS]

  never gonna give someone who's a fab you [TS]

  know eighty percent of your you know [TS]

  maybe Intel could charge higher profit [TS]

  margins bazooka cycle will see you going [TS]

  to go for 14 nanometer fabbing and in [TS]

  2013 we're the only game in town right [TS]

  sort of know so that's an interesting [TS]

  rumor i would i would love to see that [TS]

  happen that would just be what a strange [TS]

  world we would live in at the a7 comes [TS]

  out at Intel is fabbing it at 14 [TS]

  nanometer every other phone in the [TS]

  market is not fab by Intel and it's a 22 [TS]

  nanometer that would be quite a [TS]

  competitive advantage for Apple [TS]

  anonymous continues so Pat Gelsinger [TS]

  when he was still at Intel said there [TS]

  was a lot of friction between intel an [TS]

  apple when they first started working [TS]

  together and a one meeting an apple rep [TS]

  told him that in order to keep apples a [TS]

  customer Intel needs to just say yes [TS]

  meaning they didn't want to hear about [TS]

  technical challenges across involved and [TS]

  until we just have to do what Apple [TS]

  wanted give an apple size and market [TS]

  share at the time this is a pretty tough [TS]

  pill to swallow like this was back what [TS]

  2005 or something when I pull in Intel [TS]

  and Apple was not the powerhouse that it [TS]

  is now like this pre iPhone you know pre [TS]

  there's post ipod but still was like all [TS]

  right out but we like you as a prestige [TS]

  brand but don't get too cocky and Apple [TS]

  just like no you're just got to do that [TS]

  who what we say so constant tension from [TS]

  from go because Apple wants things a [TS]

  certain way and Intel's like all right [TS]

  that's right you want you just take the [TS]

  CPUs we have they're really awesome [TS]

  Apple don't tell us how to do our [TS]

  business but Apple had specific demands [TS]

  right so continuing from anonymous Intel [TS]

  saw the leadership products that Apple [TS]

  is building and went with them and the [TS]

  point of this is that accommodating a [TS]

  demanding customer can actually be [TS]

  financially rewarding because to the [TS]

  degree that intel has bent to apples [TS]

  will they've had successful products and [TS]

  a lot of prestige and increased sales [TS]

  and stuff [TS]

  so anonymous says that there are entire [TS]

  CPUs that Intel is currently building an [TS]

  apples behest Apple's much [TS]

  apples behest Apple's much [TS]

  more powerful now obviously an [TS]

  intelligent to keep their business that [TS]

  they can you'll see one of the market [TS]

  next year called crystal well there's [TS]

  some links in the show notes about [TS]

  crystal well I think crystal ball is [TS]

  just the name for the embedded dram in [TS]

  the GPU basically the idea that Apple [TS]

  said we want way more powerful GPUs so [TS]

  it has well the next line of Intel's [TS]

  microarchitecture will have much more [TS]

  powerful GPUs than the Ivy Bridge ones [TS]

  do and also apple has apparently [TS]

  specifically demanded they want embedded [TS]

  dram on the GPU and the reason they want [TS]

  that is because that's kind of the [TS]

  equivalent of the memory of the vram [TS]

  that's on your video video card and a [TS]

  big dedicated card rather than using [TS]

  main memory for graphics you want a [TS]

  separate bank of memory maybe it's not [TS]

  that big in here is going to be like miu [TS]

  64 128 megabytes but i'll have huge [TS]

  bandwidth because it's right on died [TS]

  next to the thing i think they said that [TS]

  the bus will be like 512 bits wide a [TS]

  five-tool bit memory bus and that's [TS]

  stuff like that is not uncommon [TS]

  dedicated video card so they always have [TS]

  the GPU itself on the vram on the card [TS]

  right next to it tremendously wide bus [TS]

  between the vram and the GPU well this [TS]

  is the shrunken equivalent of that [TS]

  you've got your on-die GPU on the same [TS]

  guy as the CPU and it's got its own Bank [TS]

  of dedicated memory that's physically [TS]

  close to it like you know millimeters [TS]

  away right and with a huge wide bus that [TS]

  you it would be incrementally expensive [TS]

  to make an on motherboard 512 bit wide [TS]

  bus to ram I don't think anyone does [TS]

  that except maybe super computers or [TS]

  something so they want a little pool [TS]

  really fat Ram because I think they can [TS]

  use that to really boost their GPU [TS]

  potential so this is something that [TS]

  Intel is doing for Apple as well itself [TS]

  I should have put these in the show [TS]

  notes so it's really good nanotech [TS]

  series and has well that I should have [TS]

  put in last week's show notes but many [TS]

  people were reminded me about and I once [TS]

  again forgot to put in this week show us [TS]

  to show how Intel is trying to make [TS]

  Haswell scale down to lower power [TS]

  dissipations like they're trying to [TS]

  attack arm from below with like Adam and [TS]

  stuff and from above with as well and [TS]

  trying to kind of meet in the middle all [TS]

  right more from anonymous so lastly talk [TS]

  about how the cost of x86 is [TS]

  insignificant in big cores but still a [TS]

  large part of any potentially smaller [TS]

  CPU like this existing Adam he says that [TS]

  ignoring l2 cache and [TS]

  core which is includes l3 cache [TS]

  basically parts that are just cash and [TS]

  not part of the core itself the x86 tax [TS]

  comes in between three and five percent [TS]

  of a coors area and power so like I said [TS]

  you know the x86 burden as a number of [TS]

  transistors increases percentage-wise [TS]

  starts to go down to where it sits still [TS]

  there 325 set percent is significant but [TS]

  then again if Intel stabbing them at a [TS]

  generation ahead of everyone else they [TS]

  can quickly erase that and I'm it says [TS]

  the reason for this is there are all [TS]

  kinds of micro architectural tricks that [TS]

  you can play to reuse resources used by [TS]

  the modern parts of the instruction set [TS]

  with a little microcode slower [TS]

  instructions are starting firmware [TS]

  thrown in in the front end to handle the [TS]

  older parts of the instruction set so I [TS]

  mentioned the SSE in the last show [TS]

  streaming simdi extensions as the [TS]

  expected by doing flowing point i think [TS]

  i may go ahead to mention that AVX has [TS]

  since not alien vs. about a VX is what [TS]

  alien vs predator Oh Avengers vs. x-men [TS]

  yes I keep hearing Merlin sing AVX and [TS]

  he is remapped it in my head [TS]

  congratulations really other AVX is the [TS]

  current standard that intel wants [TS]

  everyone to the most modern standard [TS]

  want intel wants everyone to use for [TS]

  vector and floating point instructions [TS]

  but the point here is that there aren't [TS]

  separate parts of the chip for the x87 [TS]

  stack-based floating point as a scene [TS]

  AVX they're all handled by the same [TS]

  hardware and they just use micro code [TS]

  which is like little miniature programs [TS]

  yeah little miniature pieces of software [TS]

  programs to automate the hardware to do [TS]

  the older crappier instruction so they [TS]

  don't have to make a separate x87 unit [TS]

  in a separate universe SC 1 SC 2 SC 3 [TS]

  s.u foreign AVX they make one extremely [TS]

  capable piece of hardware that will sort [TS]

  of natively implement the instructions [TS]

  they wanted to do probably the later [TS]

  versions of SSC and a VX and if you give [TS]

  it an X 87 instruction it will go to the [TS]

  microcode and say ok well I know how to [TS]

  do this when it's just like a series of [TS]

  this that and the other thing and we'll [TS]

  figure it out so they don't have to [TS]

  duplicate the hardware but there is some [TS]

  cost to supporting those things but by [TS]

  by having a single piece of hardware [TS]

  support the morale and just have the [TS]

  older slower ones supported more crappy [TS]

  manner they save on die space he says [TS]

  that the cost on the atom which is Intel [TS]

  smaller line of x86 compatible CPU the [TS]

  cost of x86 compatibility [TS]

  significantly higher because the chips [TS]

  just have fewer you know transistors and [TS]

  they're much smaller chips so he pegs at [TS]

  it around thirty percent and maybe if [TS]

  you took out some of the the uglier of [TS]

  the x86 features you could trim that [TS]

  down but that you know that shows the [TS]

  contrast from real numbers from someone [TS]

  who has the possibility of knowing here [TS]

  that the x86 tags three to five percent [TS]

  in a big desktop cpu but when you get [TS]

  down to small ones it becomes like [TS]

  thirty percent and that's a problem but [TS]

  he also points out it we just did the [TS]

  ability of x86 to have differently sized [TS]

  instruction actually ends up being a [TS]

  feature in terms of power common [TS]

  instructions you're really short which [TS]

  compresses the code stream versus risks [TS]

  fix fixed with instructions and of [TS]

  course there are fewer of those [TS]

  instructions it's and he says it's [TS]

  possible that Sisk but you know the sis [TS]

  construction site design gives Intel [TS]

  fifteen percent performance per watt [TS]

  advantage at least in terms of feeding [TS]

  the front end obviously you give back [TS]

  some of that in terms of how much you [TS]

  have to do to decode that stuff and [TS]

  track it or whatever and it's not really [TS]

  clear whether this fifteen percent [TS]

  number incorporates is incorporated into [TS]

  that three to five percent x86 tax [TS]

  calculation like is that tax before [TS]

  after the supposedly performance bra [TS]

  benefit but anyway this is why the [TS]

  details matter because when you get down [TS]

  to the nitty-gritty we're not talking [TS]

  about conceptually speaking as risk [TS]

  better than Cisco whatever we're talking [TS]

  about a particular instruction set with [TS]

  a particular characteristics that you [TS]

  can measure out so when it comes to [TS]

  making mobile CPUs x86 seems like it's a [TS]

  big problem but it does have a few [TS]

  things that are actually advantages so [TS]

  it's kind of like what if Intel made a [TS]

  mobile x86 chip that didn't support a [TS]

  whole bunch of the legacy x86 cruft that [TS]

  no compiler should be emitting anyway [TS]

  and but but was still assist [TS]

  Construction Set and got that you know [TS]

  performance per watt advantage of having [TS]

  a very small instruction stream not [TS]

  having to fetch that much rememory and [TS]

  all that it's fascinating idea of having [TS]

  a tiny not really x86 but almost exit [TS]

  like like a modern x86 cpu that isn't [TS]

  completely backward compatible with like [TS]

  das from my 85 but does run all modern [TS]

  copilot Intel programs and is actually [TS]

  has performance advantages over [TS]

  something like arm I'm that may be going [TS]

  too far because arm has many other arm [TS]

  has like no legacy craft and it's [TS]

  totally designed for low power will say [TS]

  and he adds that segment [TS]

  memories actually the worst part of the [TS]

  x86 burden if you had to pick one thing [TS]

  to ditch should be segmented memory [TS]

  segmented memories where instead of [TS]

  having memory addresses just be the [TS]

  address you'd say all have will set the [TS]

  segment to this and then we'll have a [TS]

  tiny off step within that segment and if [TS]

  we want to access something in a [TS]

  different segment we set the segment [TS]

  offset to something different and then [TS]

  we use the other small numbers so like [TS]

  that the memory I just be relative to it [TS]

  to the segment number and that that just [TS]

  complicates CPU stuff and it was made [TS]

  for an age when memory is more [TS]

  constrained and it's very gross so if we [TS]

  if we get rid of what the worst thing [TS]

  about x86 burden is just get rid of [TS]

  segmented memory support which nobody [TS]

  uses these days and it's I don't see [TS]

  nobody cuz some person is going to say [TS]

  that some super computing thing still [TS]

  use is it but it could go away when [TS]

  there wouldn't be a big problem a final [TS]

  point from anonymous Intel's lead in [TS]

  process you know that the size they can [TS]

  fab things that is currently only for [TS]

  client CPUs that means you know like [TS]

  traditional CPUs that are in your max [TS]

  and stuff there is a separate low-power [TS]

  manufacturing process for systems on a [TS]

  chip that's what Apple uses they're not [TS]

  using a little arm CPUs they use what [TS]

  they call system on a chip where it's [TS]

  one chip where one corner of the chip [TS]

  there's the little arm CPU and then [TS]

  there's GPU cores over there and those [TS]

  interfaces for like you know I don't [TS]

  know if they have they don't have the [TS]

  cellular stuff on there yeah but they [TS]

  have you know all the peripheral [TS]

  interfaces whatever they can as much [TS]

  stuff as they can show onto a single [TS]

  chip they do that's why they call it an [TS]

  entire system on chip io interfaces that [TS]

  you know everything all on one chip [TS]

  because if you can get everything in [TS]

  your entire phone or your entire [TS]

  whatever your entire game console [TS]

  whatever onto one chip it becomes much [TS]

  cheaper lower power you know it's much [TS]

  better to have a system-on-a-chip than [TS]

  to have a separate cpu and then a [TS]

  separate GPU chip and you know all [TS]

  separate little black squares with [TS]

  little metal contacts on that is [TS]

  terrible in terms of size power [TS]

  everything you want it to be all [TS]

  combined so Intel's process lead where [TS]

  keep saying Intel's ahead and process [TS]

  technology their head formate their [TS]

  client CPUs they do make system-on-chip [TS]

  stuff but they're they're currently [TS]

  lagging on process mostly because [TS]

  Intel's not prioritizing those and I'm [TS]

  sure they're probably shifting her [TS]

  priorities at this point okay we can't [TS]

  just give the system on chip guys the [TS]

  crappy process now so that's that's [TS]

  something to watch someone [TS]

  chairman put an article from 2011 about [TS]

  Intel fabbing arm for Apple maybe I'll [TS]

  put that in the show notes put that in [TS]

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  last bit of follow-up on Apple versus [TS]

  arm stuff I might the Haswell stuff is [TS]

  interesting I don't have it in my notes [TS]

  here but i'll see if i can freeform some [TS]

  stuff on it so haswell's Intel's next [TS]

  microarchitecture after Ivy Bridge the [TS]

  change to the CPU are not that radical [TS]

  they're they're adding a couple more you [TS]

  know they're making the machine a little [TS]

  bit wider a couple more parts of the [TS]

  chip to execute instructions they can do [TS]

  more things in parallel so certain parts [TS]

  that ships aren't tied up with one [TS]

  thread another thread can be going over [TS]

  there so they're making a little bit [TS]

  wider that's what they call it when you [TS]

  add the ability to do stuff you add [TS]

  another integer units you can do you [TS]

  know one more extra integer calculation [TS]

  at the same time suturing other ones or [TS]

  you know add another branch in or [TS]

  another phone so they're making a little [TS]

  tiny bit wider of course so probably you [TS]

  know fixing any small issues they might [TS]

  have had in performance I think they're [TS]

  adding more cash and stuff like that and [TS]

  then of course they're adding that the [TS]

  much bigger GPUs but it's not a radical [TS]

  or REO architecture you're not in a [TS]

  doubling performance or anything getting [TS]

  you know percentage-wise a little bit [TS]

  better you probably are doubling [TS]

  performance to the GPU because GPUs of [TS]

  the type of thing where if you just [TS]

  double the number of execution engines [TS]

  you have you can double performance [TS]

  because graphics is as they say [TS]

  embarrassingly parallel where you just [TS]

  have this huge gigantic field of pixels [TS]

  they all need to be processed order is [TS]

  usually not important so you can just if [TS]

  you have more execution units you can [TS]

  take bigger chunks of pixels and feed [TS]

  them all at the same time so they're [TS]

  making the GPU much bigger much wider [TS]

  and also much more powerful and there's [TS]

  the crystal well thing will have [TS]

  embedded ram next to the thing so that [TS]

  will really help it grind through [TS]

  processing much faster but the other [TS]

  thing they're doing with Haswell is [TS]

  Intel is trying to flex its muscles more [TS]

  in terms of the system integrators and [TS]

  say we are going to pick the other [TS]

  components or dictate to you the other [TS]

  components that you're allowed to use in [TS]

  your computers that use Haswell so we're [TS]

  going to do everything from like you [TS]

  know voltage regulators and these little [TS]

  turdy little chips that are on the [TS]

  motherboard that aren't that important [TS]

  you know I o chips everything and say [TS]

  all right you can only use this set of [TS]

  chips because we've tested these and we [TS]

  work with these manufacturers to make [TS]

  sure these things are low powers lots of [TS]

  stories about some little dinky [TS]

  unimportant ship somewhere on another [TS]

  board and you'll be able to get like a [TS]

  ninety percent power savings from that [TS]

  ship if you just change the way it's [TS]

  programmed in a little bit and like [TS]

  those guys didn't care they're like you [TS]

  know those guys didn't care about total [TS]

  power consumption like our chip works [TS]

  fine it's reliable what it takes so it's [TS]

  such a small amount it's only a you know [TS]

  a couple of million something who cares [TS]

  how much power our little dinky io chip [TS]

  or clock thing or voltage regulator [TS]

  takes but that stuff adds up uh and [TS]

  especially in the system where you want [TS]

  like to be able to sort of quiet the [TS]

  entire system is everybody quiet [TS]

  everybody stopped going to low power [TS]

  mode and be able to wake up quickly and [TS]

  everything like that and even in just a [TS]

  regular state you know really sip as [TS]

  little power as you can so Intel wants [TS]

  an entire system design and so they're [TS]

  not saying you can just take this as [TS]

  well cpus and just throw them onto any [TS]

  mother bored with the same old chips [TS]

  because it'll make our CPUs look bad [TS]

  because like oh those has no machines [TS]

  those really suck memory you know if you [TS]

  use the parts that Intel approves for [TS]

  use with its CPUs and its chipsets you [TS]

  will in theory get a system that uses [TS]

  far far less power than an ivory bridge [TS]

  system I keep forgetting weather as well [TS]

  is the tick or the talk or whatever but [TS]

  the Intel does this thing I think we [TS]

  talked about before where they do an [TS]

  entirely new processor architecture on [TS]

  the same process node is their previous [TS]

  architecture and then they shrink it for [TS]

  the next one so it's like it's got to be [TS]

  high forgot about anyways i do bridge a [TS]

  22 nanometer and has about 20 nanometer [TS]

  and then they're going to shrink as well [TS]

  for the next one and there [TS]

  nooner architecture after that but the [TS]

  focus of as well so you really want to [TS]

  make one cpu that can really scale down [TS]

  that you can use has well yes and a [TS]

  macbook pro you can use has bol in the [TS]

  macbook air could you use has on a [TS]

  tablet hmm probably not but maybe the [TS]

  one after that you could use in a tablet [TS]

  and they're doing everything they can to [TS]

  just reduce the power another really [TS]

  neat thing they're doing is uh I figured [TS]

  what they call this thing and remember [TS]

  the correct acronym but when something [TS]

  is on your computer screen on your Mac [TS]

  or whatever and the picture isn't [TS]

  changing like say you're just looking at [TS]

  a single static picture in full screen [TS]

  your computer still has to send new [TS]

  version of that picture 60 times a [TS]

  second to your LCD and even though the [TS]

  picture hasn't changed it doesn't take a [TS]

  lot of power to do that but it does take [TS]

  some power you can't shut off the GPU [TS]

  part of your system because the picture [TS]

  would go away well and as well and in [TS]

  the associate chip size and everything [TS]

  they want support for something that [TS]

  lets it stop sending that signal and [TS]

  just tell the LCD all right I'm only [TS]

  going to send you information if the [TS]

  picture changes if you don't hear [TS]

  anything from me just keep showing the [TS]

  picture showing a little demo they did [TS]

  for that thing was like they'd had an [TS]

  LCD hooked up to a Haswell system that [TS]

  was showing you know just just a plain [TS]

  old picture and they unplug the video [TS]

  cable and the picture doesn't go away it [TS]

  just stays there because i think they [TS]

  call it self refresh or something or [TS]

  whatever the LCD itself has a smarts to [TS]

  know if i don't hear anything that just [TS]

  means keep displaying like eating and [TS]

  i'm the same thing and that means that [TS]

  the CPU can turn off it like not turn [TS]

  off the like the GPU can can turn off [TS]

  that part of the system it doesn't have [TS]

  to always be awake sending the same [TS]

  picture and over and over again and [TS]

  that's one of the other advances of [TS]

  Hezbollah's that all these things want [TS]

  some way to like wake up from a sleeping [TS]

  state and go back to sleep and wake up [TS]

  from asleep a slate and go back to sleep [TS]

  that sounds crazy from a human [TS]

  perspective he's like oh I must tell you [TS]

  know I'm gonna keep awaking up and going [TS]

  back to sleep but CPU is doing this all [TS]

  the time and they're really cranking it [TS]

  up and as well to say okay we can wake [TS]

  up part of the system like two [TS]

  milliseconds which is still an eternity [TS]

  from a cpu perspective but no humans [TS]

  going to notice two milliseconds lag of [TS]

  waking up the system like when you walk [TS]

  over to a computer and you shake the [TS]

  mouse you're not going to give us it [TS]

  actually that Mouse didn't start moving [TS]

  to the milliseconds after it should have [TS]

  you will never notice that but it means [TS]

  that the entire computer can be sleep [TS]

  sleep sleep wake up to do sub sleep [TS]

  sleep sleep sleep wake up to do stuff [TS]

  sleep sleep and that really saves on [TS]

  power [TS]

  and so they're doing all the same tricks [TS]

  that like you know mobile steep use and [TS]

  stuff I've been doing forever they're [TS]

  trying to do it in their desktop systems [TS]

  and it's an uphill battle for them [TS]

  because LCD makers don't want to put [TS]

  extra smarts in tub inside the panels [TS]

  that hurts their profit margins like oh [TS]

  jeez that means they make my next [TS]

  generation of LCD panels are going to [TS]

  charge more money for because I gotta [TS]

  probably circuitry in there to handle [TS]

  your stupid self-refresh thing but Intel [TS]

  wants that because they want total [TS]

  system power of PC caliber systems to go [TS]

  down hopefully going down not so much [TS]

  with Hezbollah maybe with the next one [TS]

  at 40 nanometers like that if you start [TS]

  creeping into the same territory that's [TS]

  currently staked out not by a phone but [TS]

  the very least but like you know what's [TS]

  the current power envelope for or I [TS]

  should pick the ipad 3 because probably [TS]

  the biggest hottest ipad apples ever [TS]

  made sure that power envelope is within [TS]

  striking distance of intel's next next [TS]

  generation is it really cpu yeah like [TS]

  not as well probably but the one after [TS]

  that mmm that that in theory if we could [TS]

  fast if we go forward to the future and [TS]

  go to Intel generations head and bring [TS]

  that chip back you could put that in an [TS]

  ipad 3 like that's the kind of power [TS]

  envelope it could fit with it and it [TS]

  would be you know incredibly powerful it [TS]

  would it would be much faster than the [TS]

  ipad free pop probably of course we [TS]

  don't have a time machine we don't have [TS]

  any you know 10 nanometer next next [TS]

  generation intel chips but that's I [TS]

  think where they're going it's like a [TS]

  race between Ken Intel get it stuff down [TS]

  to the power envelope of if not phones [TS]

  then of these tablets before arm comes [TS]

  and swarms all over them like a zerg [TS]

  rush this little starcraft technology [TS]

  for you that and and as our various [TS]

  anonymous follow people said they're [TS]

  hedging their bets angle if they can't [TS]

  get there if x86 gets wiped off the map [TS]

  by arm at the very least they should [TS]

  have the fab capacity to become like the [TS]

  world's best fab and maybe be able to [TS]

  charge a premium of that but that would [TS]

  be very sad for intel so this is [TS]

  actually a very exciting party industry [TS]

  to watch until vs arm wrestle versus [TS]

  mobile keep an eye on that one to watch [TS]

  should we do our final brief sponsor [TS]

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  mail gun is different they do have this [TS]

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  now this is going to help me remember I [TS]

  think we went through this other shows [TS]

  but put in a good link to the tick-tock [TS]

  strategy to remind me of which which one [TS]

  is called the tickets it's because it's [TS]

  reverse and people so why don't you just [TS]

  remember that it's reverse of the way [TS]

  you think it is but then I confuse [TS]

  myself anyway the tick is when they do a [TS]

  shrink and the talk is when they have [TS]

  the new architecture and I think that's [TS]

  totally wrong it should be the tick is [TS]

  like tick and then talk and then tick [TS]

  should be the one where they have the [TS]

  new architecture but it's not tick as [TS]

  the shrink and talk as the other one so [TS]

  what are we on now so the talk is going [TS]

  to be Haswell 22 nanometers because tick [TS]

  was the shrink of sandy bridge down to [TS]

  ivory bridge and then the talk is the [TS]

  same process i desire bridge the new [TS]

  architecture and then the tick will be [TS]

  has well at 40 nanometers and the talk [TS]

  will be you know so i put this link in [TS]

  the show notes shows the tick on the [TS]

  talk with the words and the process [TS]

  sizes and you can look at it and [TS]

  continue to be confused like I am do [TS]

  have one more thing for this thing but [TS]

  don't know if we should save it you you [TS]

  want to end early today and I know and [TS]

  I'm in super early i mean you know [TS]

  that's a late the last thing that I want [TS]

  now is in the last five or six shows [TS]

  that you know we end early in [TS]

  then you know so let's keep going well I [TS]

  do think I'm running out of things here [TS]

  you know so this is this is what we're [TS]

  gonna have a Q&A show the Q&A show was [TS]

  always like oh you must be running out [TS]

  of things talk about because we well yes [TS]

  i am i as i said at the camp at shows [TS]

  every week i think i've got nothing this [TS]

  week like in the past for the past [TS]

  several months that I think there's [TS]

  nothing I could possibly talk about and [TS]

  I really am running low on ideas [TS]

  especially now it's like the holidays [TS]

  and not not that much exciting stuff is [TS]

  happening I mean for crying out loud we [TS]

  just talked about a bride a sale I don't [TS]

  think that's uh I mean it's a good deal [TS]

  for people but still alright so I'll [TS]

  throw this in and then no ha then I will [TS]

  once again be back 20 things to talk [TS]

  about next week you Dan this is what [TS]

  assignment for you one of the days I [TS]

  might come in and say I've got nothing [TS]

  to talk about it will just be totally up [TS]

  to you to decide what which I would love [TS]

  that i have so many i have a long list [TS]

  of things that i would love to talk to [TS]

  you about so you just do it you have a [TS]

  long list of things that you would love [TS]

  for me to talk about but the problem is [TS]

  that you may throw out what is actually [TS]

  really good interesting a meeting topic [TS]

  and i'll just have nothing to say on I [TS]

  don't be like I don't even say about [TS]

  that and then you got to pick your next [TS]

  good topic like there may be great [TS]

  topics but the question is can I say [TS]

  think about them uh-uh all right I think [TS]

  we should take that chance you tell me [TS]

  you will well I will you give me any [TS]

  notice or no of course not every notice [TS]

  like you've given me as much notice as I [TS]

  feel I need at this point you just you [TS]

  gotta be ready all the time all right [TS]

  I'll be ready the final thing I want to [TS]

  talk about a lot of people asked me to [TS]

  talk about the wii u and we did talk [TS]

  about that on a past show which i could [TS]

  never remember because i'm terrible at [TS]

  remembering what shall we talk about [TS]

  things on but i mean i felt like we [TS]

  covered everything there was to cover [TS]

  about the wii u before i had one and i'm [TS]

  not i don't have one yet i'm planning to [TS]

  get one but probably not for the [TS]

  holidays like I'm assuming I just won't [TS]

  even be able to to find one in the [TS]

  stores so I'll probably wait to new year [TS]

  to get one I will be getting one but if [TS]

  I probably won't have fun during the [TS]

  time the show is still going on but [TS]

  other people have we used these days and [TS]

  in particularly iFixit guys had one and [TS]

  they did a teardown as they always do [TS]

  link is in the show notes where they [TS]

  take apart the hardware and look at [TS]

  what's inside of an Intel kind of like [TS]

  Apple has been in the past several years [TS]

  infuriating about not wanting to talk in [TS]

  detail about what's inside it it's kind [TS]

  of [TS]

  like rolls-royce engines for many many [TS]

  years a role rolls-royce car company [TS]

  unlike every other car company in the [TS]

  world it would list the specifications [TS]

  of the car like though the new Corvette [TS]

  it the engine has this much horsepower [TS]

  and this much torque at this much RPM [TS]

  you know like and rolls-royce would say [TS]

  horsepower colon adequate that's what [TS]

  they put on their on their data sheets [TS]

  because it's unseemly to talk about [TS]

  horse by the the hodgepodge this car is [TS]

  adequate it's mostly because their cars [TS]

  didn't really have that much horsepower [TS]

  they're mostly a giant torque monsters [TS]

  but anyway rolls-royce hasn't stopped [TS]

  doing that but Apple and in Nintendo [TS]

  both continue to be like you don't need [TS]

  to know what's inside our thing it's an [TS]

  asic CPU don't ask any more questions [TS]

  what kind of core no no no how much RAM [TS]

  we don't need to enlist that on a dumb [TS]

  this is unseemly to talk about how much [TS]

  RAM might possibly be in our device then [TS]

  of course you can get the device and [TS]

  find out so the wii u the internals [TS]

  aren't that impressive but the nintendo [TS]

  doesn't want to talk about them look [TS]

  we'll just talk about them in a vague [TS]

  term so it's up to i fix it to rip these [TS]

  things apart and to find out what's in [TS]

  there and what the deal is so people [TS]

  haven't seen the wii u it looks kind of [TS]

  like the wii but it's like bigger [TS]

  slightly bigger or longer and has [TS]

  rounded edges but it's very similar it [TS]

  looks like a cd-rom drive from nineteen [TS]

  ninety one for your Mac without the [TS]

  caddy it's just a big long optical drive [TS]

  thing I sort of looks like anyway so [TS]

  they rip the thing apart and here are a [TS]

  couple of notable things about it so [TS]

  inside there there is larger fan [TS]

  heatsink then there wasn't the wii that [TS]

  makes some sense and that's because [TS]

  according to intend to itself they have [TS]

  tripled the heat output from the we that [TS]

  we you has three times as much heat if [TS]

  there's a link i think i put this in the [TS]

  show notes to something where app [TS]

  nintendo actually has been doing [TS]

  something that apple would never do [TS]

  having these things where they post [TS]

  themselves sort of interviews with [TS]

  themselves so the CEO of the company [TS]

  will sit down and have sort of a if it's [TS]

  a mocking curio but it's kind of like a [TS]

  prepared type of thing where the CEO of [TS]

  the company is talking to the engineers [TS]

  in the company and interviewing them [TS]

  quote unquote where it seems like it's [TS]

  kind of all prepared but anyway they [TS]

  will reveal some technical information [TS]

  in those things if much more so than a [TS]

  blow it would be as if Tim Cook did like [TS]

  a mock interview with Johnny I've about [TS]

  the design of our with built of Bill [TS]

  Mansfield Bob [TS]

  ance field about the internals and asked [TS]

  he would ask the questions that other [TS]

  people want to ask and you know get the [TS]

  answers from so Apple isn't doing like [TS]

  that but in tender does and then that [TS]

  thing they talked about how they had to [TS]

  alter their design to handle the heat [TS]

  and blah blah blah I mean it's nothing [TS]

  earth-shattering because like you know [TS]

  so what every single the console maker [TS]

  has been dealing with as much output for [TS]

  like a generation or two already just [TS]

  asked just as Microsoft about dealing [TS]

  with heat inside their game consoles and [TS]

  how that went with the 360 we know it's [TS]

  a hard problem but the wii was so wimpy [TS]

  it wasn't even high-def that the cooling [TS]

  solution that was very wimpy so the wii [TS]

  u has a more modern looking cooling [TS]

  solution i hope it's not too loud i [TS]

  guess people have them already i haven't [TS]

  heard anyone complain so i think it'll [TS]

  be okay yeah they've got our radeon CP [TS]

  GPU in there no surprise there and [TS]

  they're their processor is I be empower [TS]

  based processor if you're wondering [TS]

  where the PowerPC went it's still inside [TS]

  all your game consoles the xbox 360 is [TS]

  PowerPC they use the mac power mac g5 is [TS]

  there one of their dev devices when [TS]

  developing that machine the wii is [TS]

  PowerPC the Gamecube was PowerPC the wii [TS]

  u is power pc and even the playstation 3 [TS]

  in addition to the crazy sell stuff they [TS]

  have going on there has little [TS]

  powerpc-based quartz the power [TS]

  instruction set the PowerPC uses so no [TS]

  surprise a TI plus yeah now AMD but a TI [TS]

  plus IBM has been the solution for the [TS]

  past three generations and Tendo [TS]

  consoles the the current generation of [TS]

  Xbox console and the current generation [TS]

  of well known and PlayStation 3 has [TS]

  nvidia graphics but anyway that's where [TS]

  these guys if you want to look where the [TS]

  PowerPC cpu is went that's where they [TS]

  are still hiding the really interesting [TS]

  thing for me about this teardown is when [TS]

  they started tearing apart the gamepad [TS]

  controller the Wii U gamepad controller [TS]

  is the big controller looks like you're [TS]

  holding like a lunch tray and in the [TS]

  middle of it is a pretty big screen on [TS]

  the edges are liking of the buttons and [TS]

  the thumbstick controllers uh-huh they [TS]

  crack that thing open and not the inside [TS]

  inside but just the battery door I put a [TS]

  link to this in the show notes when you [TS]

  open the battery door on the bag of this [TS]

  thing you find a rechargeable battery in [TS]

  there it's 3.7 volt 1500 malaya power [TS]

  rechargeable battery that's good for [TS]

  three to five hours of gameplay that's [TS]

  why they give you a rechargeable one [TS]

  because you know if you after play [TS]

  session you get recharged it but if you [TS]

  look at me let me pull the image myself [TS]

  so I can actually look at this Oh Shh [TS]

  maybe I didn't put it in the show notes [TS]

  oh I always click on the wrong thing [TS]

  when I want to see the image do you have [TS]

  this image up the battery door yeah the [TS]

  one from the show notes yeah did I put [TS]

  it in the shots thought you did what am [TS]

  I looking I got all your notes up and [TS]

  I'm just working through it a lot of [TS]

  links for this one yeah when you open up [TS]

  the one down there right where it says [TS]

  battery compartment I thought I put it [TS]

  in it yeah it's it shows the thing [TS]

  they're the guys holding it upside down [TS]

  he's lifting up the back part of it and [TS]

  what are you seeing some that you see [TS]

  this big cavernous opening with batter [TS]

  should go and inside I any little dinky [TS]

  little thing it's like how to taking up [TS]

  half the space for the battery is this [TS]

  rechargeable battery and that's you [TS]

  think that it's for like expansion it's [TS]

  something that you could you could you [TS]

  know like you could put something larger [TS]

  in there another time yeah that that is [TS]

  fascinating to me because three to five [TS]

  hours of playtime while her battery [TS]

  charge is not a lot like a three-hour [TS]

  you know play session especially some [TS]

  kids sitting there in front of the thing [TS]

  like before you have to go recharge the [TS]

  thing or plug it in or something that's [TS]

  not good it's like Oh bitch I guess they [TS]

  couldn't get the gamepad battery life to [TS]

  be any better than three to five hours [TS]

  but then you open up the back of this [TS]

  thing and say wait a second it could [TS]

  have made this thing lasts longer [TS]

  thinking it's a waste issue battery so [TS]

  it's the question is why don't they feel [TS]

  that that battery compartment with [TS]

  battery one is wait wait base people say [TS]

  this thing is lightweight and it feels [TS]

  good because it's light that's all well [TS]

  and good but I don't think they would [TS]

  not make the battery big because they [TS]

  were afraid it would be too heavy right [TS]

  I think it just happens to be light [TS]

  because the battery is small and that's [TS]

  good but that wouldn't been there reason [TS]

  I have to think it's cost because [TS]

  batteries cost money and they need to [TS]

  shave they're already selling the wii u [TS]

  at a loss which is unprecedented for [TS]

  nintendo there we used to sell their [TS]

  hardware for a profit from day one [TS]

  unlike every other console maker but [TS]

  they're selling the wii u I think this [TS]

  city there at cost [TS]

  loss in the beginning because it's got [TS]

  more like it's not just a game console [TS]

  it's a game console + like a court sort [TS]

  of a little half of a handheld game [TS]

  console like it's more complicated than [TS]

  other things I'm not just selling a box [TS]

  it next to your TV they're selling a box [TS]

  that connects to your TV with an optical [TS]

  drive plus it's other thing that has its [TS]

  own screen on it which costs money and [TS]

  all sorts of sensors and a battery and [TS]

  stuff like that and they can shave costs [TS]

  anywhere maybe they said well one way we [TS]

  can shave a couple bucks off is by [TS]

  shipping it with a smaller battery and [TS]

  then we maybe we can make that up by [TS]

  selling the inevitable aftermarket [TS]

  batteries that actually fill that entire [TS]

  battery compartment and we'll make lots [TS]

  of money on the aftermarket batteries [TS]

  because we'll sell it for like twenty [TS]

  bucks when we saved only five dollars [TS]

  we're making the battery smaller and [TS]

  that strikes me as chin see but that is [TS]

  that's amazing it's like if you bought [TS]

  you know a macbook pro five years ago [TS]

  you open up the battery bay and so the [TS]

  battery Apple ships with takes up half [TS]

  of the room that the battery could be in [TS]

  Maine you know as as I think Marco seven [TS]

  Taleggio or no I maybe was a different [TS]

  show that they they Apple puts batteries [TS]

  in every square inch of their cases that [TS]

  could possibly fit battery is like [TS]

  battery is coming up in the edges of the [TS]

  thing and here is Nintendo shipping [TS]

  something leaving gigantic swathes of [TS]

  empty space where there could be battery [TS]

  but there isn't nevermind they could [TS]

  have made the battery compartment itself [TS]

  even bigger so I found that amazing and [TS]

  also slightly disappointing i assume i [TS]

  would buying an aftermarket battery [TS]

  because 30 hours is not a long time [TS]

  another thing which we knew already but [TS]

  it's interested I'd forgotten about it [TS]

  already and seeing it in the I fix a [TS]

  teardown I was a good reminder the Wii U [TS]

  gamepad controller has NFC Near Field [TS]

  Communication right the little sensor [TS]

  that's not in the iphone that you know [TS]

  other cell phones have and that they use [TS]

  reportedly in Japan and other advanced [TS]

  civilizations where you going to rub [TS]

  your phone against something or wave [TS]

  your phone in front of something and pay [TS]

  for something it's it's a sensor that [TS]

  works in very close proximity is not [TS]

  bluetooth it's not Wi-Fi it's like in [TS]

  the range of things like Wi-Fi is long [TS]

  range you know 3g is the longest range [TS]

  or not 3gp you know cellular data is the [TS]

  longest range then there's Wi-Fi then [TS]

  there's Bluetooth known as NFC and NFC [TS]

  is really you know you got to be in [TS]

  close proximity and the reason I forgot [TS]

  about the fact that the gamepad [TS]

  controller has NFC in it is [TS]

  nothing uses it nothing no game and the [TS]

  launch lineup uses the NFC sensor so the [TS]

  gamepad thing has tons of sensors and [TS]

  it's got gyroscopes accelerometers [TS]

  microphone camera is that Cameron I [TS]

  think as a camera you know bluetooth [TS]

  Wi-Fi everything in there including NFC [TS]

  even though nothing currently supports [TS]

  it presumably something will supported I [TS]

  mean the obvious thing is a game like [TS]

  Skylanders do you know about this yes [TS]

  Skylanders is the game that they usually [TS]

  have set up in a Toys R Us or Target or [TS]

  something where it has like a little [TS]

  platform that's connected and they you [TS]

  have like a real real life action figure [TS]

  but it doesn't entirely moves and then [TS]

  you put it on this pad or this little [TS]

  thing and that character then enters the [TS]

  game and that's I guess you and you are [TS]

  then playing the game as this character [TS]

  while it stands on the on the panel yeah [TS]

  it's a genius marketing strategy if they [TS]

  will sell you toys and the toys can [TS]

  appear in the game so by buying a [TS]

  physical toy and touching that physical [TS]

  toy to some sensor are putting in front [TS]

  of a camera or doing whatever then [TS]

  suddenly that physical toy appears in [TS]

  the game so if you want a new guy for [TS]

  your game you would say Oh dad you can [TS]

  take me to toys r us where I will buy [TS]

  the physical toy and I'll bring that [TS]

  home and touch it to my game console and [TS]

  then the thing instead of just doing a [TS]

  digital download they want you to have [TS]

  an actual toy component and that game [TS]

  was wildly popular and it's a genius [TS]

  strategy to extract money from children [TS]

  I mean there are card games like this [TS]

  too it was once aware that the [TS]

  PlayStation camera would pick up the [TS]

  what cards you're playing with the [TS]

  physical card games is an integration of [TS]

  the physical world into the virtual [TS]

  world so that's a no brainer for things [TS]

  like that not Skylanders specifically [TS]

  because they were just you know probably [TS]

  continue to add their little Skylander [TS]

  sensor-based thing or whatever but [TS]

  things like that where there's a [TS]

  something in the physical world that you [TS]

  touched your gamepad controller or bring [TS]

  past it and that makes it appear in the [TS]

  virtual world so those are here's once [TS]

  again to remind that things in there [TS]

  that the gamepad controller has every [TS]

  sense of known to man and the [TS]

  possibilities of things that you could [TS]

  do with that controller are vast the [TS]

  other thing about the gamepad teardown [TS]

  is that there are no big heat-producing [TS]

  chips inside that game pad [TS]

  they gave the I fixing gave out like [TS]

  part numbers and stuff that I tried to [TS]

  Google and all I found more other [TS]

  gamepad tear down so I don't know what [TS]

  those chips are not gonna read off the [TS]

  numbers on them you can look at the [TS]

  effects its head on yourself but clearly [TS]

  none of them are big heat producers [TS]

  there's no giant heatsink and fans and [TS]

  stuff like that ah all which is to say [TS]

  that this is not like a PlayStation Vita [TS]

  or Vita as you say right that's exactly [TS]

  what is it's not a half a handheld [TS]

  gaming console like the the brains are [TS]

  not in the gamepad yes that is the man [TS]

  yeah right it's really just a really [TS]

  really really fancy controller with a [TS]

  screen and a bunch of sensors it's not a [TS]

  separate console so the Wii U has a [TS]

  feature where you can play the game on [TS]

  the gamepad like someone can use the TV [TS]

  to look at something else and you just [TS]

  look at the gamepad screen you can [TS]

  continue to play your game there but [TS]

  those games are not running on the [TS]

  gamepad they're running on the wii u [TS]

  thing that's attached up to your TV [TS]

  despite the fact that you're playing [TS]

  them on the screen that you're holding [TS]

  in your hand all that brings up [TS]

  especially in the time leading up to the [TS]

  wii u's release worries about lag you're [TS]

  like all right well so the game is [TS]

  running on the little thing that looks [TS]

  like a cd-rom drive attached to my TV [TS]

  and I'm sitting on a couch here and I'm [TS]

  playing it here like how does the [TS]

  picture get it's not going through the [TS]

  TV how do i get to the gamepad and if it [TS]

  takes a long time it's like you know in [TS]

  you imagine trying to play for a [TS]

  sufficient shooter using VPN our VPN pnc [TS]

  right a remote desktop or whatever [TS]

  you're you know it's like the lag anyone [TS]

  who's used remote desktop or B and C [TS]

  knows the terrible lag of just you know [TS]

  using menus and stuff made all sorts of [TS]

  tricks to my try to make it tolerable [TS]

  and the resolution of a high-definition [TS]

  game because the wii u finally is high [TS]

  resolution that's comparable to the [TS]

  resolution of a computer monitor from a [TS]

  couple years ago right and it was [TS]

  terrible a couple years ago to try even [TS]

  over like gigabit ethernet you try to [TS]

  use remote desktop and it would just [TS]

  feel slow and laggy you forget about [TS]

  trying to play a game like that so [TS]

  everyone was worried about what the what [TS]

  the leg would be so other people have [TS]

  these things in their hands they're [TS]

  doing tests on them this from a [TS]

  developer of a the rayman game there's [TS]

  many links talking about this developer [TS]

  interview which was barely nintendo [TS]

  power i put a link in the show notes [TS]

  they are testing a star it's a Rayman [TS]

  legends develop [TS]

  devour oh yeah let's try again rayman [TS]

  legends developer michelle and sell if i [TS]

  said that name correctly has now [TS]

  confirmed that the gamepad image on the [TS]

  wii u suffers only one sixtieth of a [TS]

  second delay here's a quote from him [TS]

  it's crazy because the game is running [TS]

  in full HD on the television that we are [TS]

  streaming another picture on the gamepad [TS]

  screen it's still for 60 frames per [TS]

  second and the latency on the controller [TS]

  is just one sixtieth of a second so it's [TS]

  one frame late so if you do 60 frames [TS]

  per second and you're 160 of a second [TS]

  behind that means the gamepad is only [TS]

  one frame behind where it should be [TS]

  behind where the television the signal [TS]

  going to television and forget how many [TS]

  frames behind our minds actually are yes [TS]

  that's not think about that so I says [TS]

  it's crazy it's so fast it's almost [TS]

  instant that's why it responds so well [TS]

  so that is the typical Nintendo [TS]

  attention to detail there have been many [TS]

  complaints about the wii u in particular [TS]

  with the interface and the non-game [TS]

  portions of it but once you get into the [TS]

  game and Tendo knows what's important [TS]

  that's responsiveness and latency the [TS]

  ARS technica are dope says while one [TS]

  frame delay might actually be noticeable [TS]

  by some of the craziest pro fighting [TS]

  game players the money of difference is [TS]

  not going to be detectable by normal [TS]

  people and now here is the fascinating [TS]

  thing about this this is actually [TS]

  something from june where someone was [TS]

  filming someone playing a wii u game in [TS]

  June probably like one of the various [TS]

  conventions maybe it was III where in [TS]

  the in the frame of the video you can [TS]

  see the television screen that is [TS]

  showing the same image there's also on [TS]

  the gamepad screen so you can see both [TS]

  screens the gamepad where where the [TS]

  image is playing in also the television [TS]

  because you can run in this mode or mode [TS]

  where the images displayed both on the [TS]

  television and on the gamepad I don't [TS]

  know why you would do that but it's [TS]

  possible and in this video you can watch [TS]

  it and sort of go frame by frame and [TS]

  slow motion through it and you can see [TS]

  that the gamepad screen is actually [TS]

  seven frames ahead of the the television [TS]

  screen so it's a 116 milliseconds ahead [TS]

  of the television screen so you'll see [TS]

  Mario jumping you'll see he has seven [TS]

  frames ahead of where he where he is on [TS]

  the television screen and so wait a [TS]

  second I thought that the gamepad was [TS]

  supposed to be one frame behind 16 like [TS]

  I'm beyond what explains the fact that [TS]

  the gamepad is actually showing an image [TS]

  7 frames ahead of the television well if [TS]

  you think back to our [TS]

  our television episode from many [TS]

  episodes ago another one that I can't [TS]

  remember the episode number four I think [TS]

  we talked about this is that modern [TS]

  high-definition televisions especially [TS]

  LCD televisions do all sorts of [TS]

  processing to the image that they're [TS]

  shown so the signal may be coming out of [TS]

  the wii u and going into the back of the [TS]

  television that signal maybe 160 of the [TS]

  second ahead of the signal that is going [TS]

  to the gamepad but once it hits the back [TS]

  of the television the television doesn't [TS]

  immediately display it the television [TS]

  does lots of processing some of that [TS]

  processing may involve comparing the new [TS]

  image it got the previous image of got [TS]

  and like doing a diff between them or [TS]

  massaging them some of that processing [TS]

  in any televisions they're still having [TS]

  to be around with dynamic LED [TS]

  backlighting might be to figure out [TS]

  which portion of the back lights need to [TS]

  be a bit for this frame a video and is [TS]

  it different than the previous narrated [TS]

  video all that processing you know [TS]

  motion compensation to the ring and you [TS]

  know noise reduction and stuff that [TS]

  processing takes time so from the time [TS]

  the signal hits the back of the [TS]

  television to the time the television [TS]

  actually displays that that new frame [TS]

  could be significant and this is what's [TS]

  known as input lag on televisions where [TS]

  the television itself introduces a delay [TS]

  and apparently this television was [TS]

  introducing an eight frame delay you [TS]

  know and so that's why the gamepad [TS]

  appeared to be seven frames ahead [TS]

  because the gamepad didn't doesn't have [TS]

  any delay it gets the signal shows it [TS]

  immediately doesn't do any weird [TS]

  processing or anything but the signal [TS]

  going to the back of television has to [TS]

  find its way through the televisions [TS]

  processing and that's why many many [TS]

  televisions have what they call game [TS]

  mode where will it will disable some or [TS]

  all of the video processing making the [TS]

  image look uglier usually but at the [TS]

  benefit of that is that you get less [TS]

  input lag so apparently this television [TS]

  that was set up at this convention [TS]

  center wherever they were playing this [TS]

  demo was either not set up in game mode [TS]

  or it could very well be that this was [TS]

  game mode and that eight frames of lag [TS]

  is actually the good version and if you [TS]

  had all the profit video processing on [TS]

  it would be 40 frames of lag or [TS]

  something like that so this is a [TS]

  fascinating example of like also [TS]

  Nintendo made a gamepad also what big [TS]

  deal i heard microsoft has the same [TS]

  thing with its glass thing the xbox 360 [TS]

  to do this right to really have a [TS]

  handheld screen that lets you play a [TS]

  game year they have to do the processing [TS]

  on the handheld thing itself like do [TS]

  they play the actual game on your iPad [TS]

  or on your tablet or on your surface or [TS]

  whatever or if you're going to do the [TS]

  processing on the actual console thing [TS]

  attached to the TV you've got your work [TS]

  cut out for you because you really need [TS]

  to send a full HD resolution image [TS]

  wirelessly to this can do is control and [TS]

  have display the thing and try to get as [TS]

  little lag as possible so 16 to the [TS]

  second leg is actually pretty amazing [TS]

  and I applaud Nintendo's efforts making [TS]

  this this is an apple like technological [TS]

  feat where it's like a fan I've worked [TS]

  like it seems impossible and yet there [TS]

  it is it's real yeah and like you was [TS]

  like all the gamepad's gotta have some [TS]

  sophisticated stuff and you open it up [TS]

  and it's like no it's just a bunch of [TS]

  chips what they ended up doing is they [TS]

  sort of define their own limited [TS]

  distance you know Wi-Fi variant where it [TS]

  doesn't work the same distance the Wi-Fi [TS]

  would but like you know they could [TS]

  define their own protocol basically to [TS]

  wirelessly communicate between the Wii U [TS]

  and the gamepad and they could sacrifice [TS]

  whatever they wanted to sacrifice ech [TS]

  you know you're the only need to talk [TS]

  two of them at once because i think the [TS]

  gamepad supports up to two things so if [TS]

  i could cut any corners there they would [TS]

  and the range doesn't have to be more [TS]

  than like I think they list the range is [TS]

  like 26 feet it actually goes way [TS]

  farther than that people have tested up [TS]

  like 100 feet but in typical Nintendo [TS]

  fashion they're very conservative they [TS]

  say don't go outside 26 feet so you [TS]

  can't probably take the gamepad up to [TS]

  the room seven floors up in your [TS]

  gigantic mansion and have the wii u [TS]

  downstairs like you 160 a second leg is [TS]

  probably gone then maybe you know [TS]

  Nintendo says 26 feet maybe if you have [TS]

  a ranch house you can get 100 feet away [TS]

  so you do kind of have to be in the same [TS]

  room or close to it to continue this [TS]

  experience but I think that's a [TS]

  reasonable trade-off in it and if in [TS]

  exchange you get this amazing [TS]

  responsiveness that you couldn't have [TS]

  got with any other you know non [TS]

  proprietary protocol you know bully for [TS]

  them and you're gonna get them what if [TS]

  we send you one is it going away gift [TS]

  how is that gonna help but i guess i [TS]

  would actually use it and talked about [TS]

  on the show you mean I sure how much of [TS]

  it the reason I'm not getting one is [TS]

  because none of the launch games are [TS]

  like sort of must-haves for me like yeah [TS]

  but if we if we just be you know if we [TS]

  send you one and will you come will you [TS]

  talk about [TS]

  I don't know I mean I don't see what I'm [TS]

  talking about see my jacket on I know I [TS]

  know hard to get you to talk I am gonna [TS]

  get 1 i'm and i'm gonna get the black [TS]

  one because that's the good one [TS]

  unfortunately am i payin two different [TS]

  colors but the deluxe one is in black [TS]

  and i would rather have it in white but [TS]

  i do want to have the deluxe one comes [TS]

  with a packing game comes with more [TS]

  memory which is the important part but [TS]

  i'm not like the games that are out now [TS]

  2d Mario is what I'm not really into [TS]

  people are going to think outside of [TS]

  lettuce but i prefer the 3d ones and [TS]

  intend to land which is a bunch of mini [TS]

  games which will be fun i'm sure but you [TS]

  know not a reason for me to rush out and [TS]

  get the system and zombiu looks [TS]

  interesting but probably too hard for me [TS]

  you should read the reviews of that game [TS]

  if you haven't already it's a it's a [TS]

  kind of a shame its launch title because [TS]

  it might get eclipse then maybe they'll [TS]

  have a sequel that will be better but [TS]

  it's a very interesting concept so I'd [TS]

  be interested to try that but I don't [TS]

  know and also I don't think these we use [TS]

  are actually around these days it's kind [TS]

  of a they're kind of scarce and I think [TS]

  I could find you one crowdsource it yeah [TS]

  would you accept one if we manage to [TS]

  find one and get at you you think you're [TS]

  gonna find i don't know i'm going to try [TS]

  if final lie to you and then and have it [TS]

  shipped to my house in time to do a show [TS]

  about it five weeks yeah maybe listen [TS]

  five by five at itv such contact do not [TS]

  pick hypercritical just pick contact and [TS]

  benjamin from the list if you can get me [TS]

  one of these and all paypal you some [TS]

  money and we'll get it to john has to be [TS]

  black one there was to be black one end [TS]

  up returning it back to you because you [TS]

  should i mean keep it fair that's [TS]

  actually i want you to have it yeah yeah [TS]

  I'm gonna get one myself you know now [TS]

  you're gonna get a black one from uh [TS]

  from us all right I'll see about that [TS]

  all right that would definitely give us [TS]

  a topic for a show if I happen to maybe [TS]

  a bonus show maybe a hundred and first [TS]

  episode let's not go crazy alright so if [TS]

  you wonder you can follow John siracusa [TS]

  he's siracusa on twitter SI RAC USA he [TS]

  is siracusa on alpha dot net and i'm [TS]

  gonna do this just for you he is [TS]

  siracusa intent is look at that just for [TS]

  you [TS]

  and you can follow me i'm damned [TS]

  benjamin on twitter down on Alpha and [TS]

  appreciate you listening you can go to [TS]

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  in order to see the show notes that John [TS]

  has curated and put together for you so [TS]

  go there check it out and we truly [TS]

  appreciate it anything else John we good [TS]

  for this week people should still [TS]

  remember to leave their reviews yes yes [TS]

  even though the show is ending in fact I [TS]

  would say van all the more reason to [TS]

  leave them it's your last chance to [TS]

  leave a review that's timely there you [TS]

  go you know there's no sense i mean [TS]

  reading a book that's a hundred years [TS]

  old and saying that's pretty good book [TS]

  like by now you know you want a review [TS]

  when it's fresh this will stay up on the [TS]

  iTunes forever is over it'll just be [TS]

  sitting there it'll be there forever and [TS]

  people be able to get all 100 episodes [TS]

  or just a lot forever no it's all 100 if [TS]

  you subscribe to the RSS feed or the [TS]

  itunes feet they're all there and [TS]

  they'll always be there there you go and [TS]

  now it's like seasons of television [TS]

  shows that have been canceled it'll [TS]

  still be there we're never gonna they're [TS]

  always be there alright so that's it [TS]

  have a good week John we'll see you next [TS]

  week yep [TS]

  you [TS]