93: A Magic Elf in My Computer


  I thought this would be a magic elephant [TS]

  my computer and it's not and I'm sad [TS]

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  siracusa I'm Dan Benjamin today is [TS]

  friday november nine 2012 this is [TS]

  episode number 94 me like to say thank [TS]

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  John Siracusa little warm today believe [TS]

  it or not no kidding warm is meaning all [TS]

  over 40 40 degrees Fahrenheit so the 50s [TS]

  was sunny yeah wow that is very warm [TS]

  unseasonable yep no forgot to close the [TS]

  door in here no it's closed alright that [TS]

  just means we won't hear your AC but we [TS]

  might still hear your lawn do they they [TS]

  don't I didn't launch my what my AC [TS]

  don't you have an AC that runs in there [TS]

  oh I do have yes I'd ever I've like a [TS]

  window unit but no I don't need that on [TS]

  50 degrees okay all right another [TS]

  variety show today oh I love those [TS]

  yeah considering you were out Syracuse [TS]

  at last week by Marco this week you get [TS]

  out of strong I was out what by Marco [TS]

  I'll never be out sir cuted by Marco [TS]

  that's like by definition impossible ok [TS]

  his name's not even siracusa no yeah all [TS]

  right i'll start with some follow up [TS]

  this first one is from michael [TS]

  cammalleri Camilleri so I'm gonna go [TS]

  with him with Camilleri this is about [TS]

  the exact executive reshuffle that was [TS]

  sort of the main topic of the last show [TS]

  the executive reshuffle an apple scott [TS]

  forstall out Bob Mansfield elevated role [TS]

  and all the other executives [TS]

  responsibilities reshuffled and I was [TS]

  talking about early on how if you're a [TS]

  fancy-pants executive like once you [TS]

  reach a certain level within a company [TS]

  they don't they don't fire you the same [TS]

  way as they would if you were below [TS]

  whatever that invisible line is like you [TS]

  know they never say that you're fired [TS]

  you you get to sort of go out with your [TS]

  dignity intact and they give a vague [TS]

  press release like oh you know he'll be [TS]

  leaving the company and blah blah you [TS]

  know whereas if you're just below that [TS]

  line they'd aspire you and you're out [TS]

  and they call it a firing and that's [TS]

  that right so he offered some reasons [TS]

  for why this might be beyond the obvious [TS]

  like once you're sort of in with the in [TS]

  crowd there's a certain minimum level of [TS]

  respect to you get as a important [TS]

  powerful rich person and called out of [TS]

  the stuff he works for a law firm in [TS]

  Australia so obviously their laws of [TS]

  different in Australia the United States [TS]

  but he thinks there's enough [TS]

  similarities that his insight is [TS]

  worthwhile and what he does with is [TS]

  prepare employment contracts [TS]

  occasionally at the executive level he [TS]

  says so he's got some direct knowledge [TS]

  of this least in Australia and when he [TS]

  says is that executive level contracts [TS]

  typically have a gardening leave [TS]

  provision in gardening leave I I thought [TS]

  this might have been a made-up term but [TS]

  now it's right there on Wikipedia [TS]

  gardening leave I put the link in the [TS]

  show notes that allows the company to [TS]

  continue employing and executive but [TS]

  prevents the employee from coming into [TS]

  the office so you're still working for [TS]

  us but don't come in seriously you're [TS]

  not allowed to come in [TS]

  and you still get your salary and so on [TS]

  and so forth but you're otherwise cut [TS]

  off from the company and michael says [TS]

  you typically want to do this with fired [TS]

  executives because they will have [TS]

  detailed knowledge about the plans of [TS]

  the company at least up until the point [TS]

  of firing and the longer the executive [TS]

  is on gardening leave the staler this [TS]

  knowledge becomes and less useful it is [TS]

  to a competitor so he said gardening [TS]

  leave provisions are usually included in [TS]

  addition to employment restraints to [TS]

  seek that seek to restrict the executive [TS]

  from going to work for a competitor [TS]

  confidentiality agreements and you know [TS]

  non-competes and stuff like that but [TS]

  they're those can be very difficult to [TS]

  enforce particularly in California which [TS]

  has a very lenient laws about [TS]

  non-competes I don't think they're valid [TS]

  at all in California ah so that's that [TS]

  would be one reason why I mean that that [TS]

  will find out if this is the case it [TS]

  will see how long's got forestalls at [TS]

  Apple if he's on gardening leave that [TS]

  means he'll be with the company for a [TS]

  long time and they're basically keeping [TS]

  him trapped there you know as part of a [TS]

  provision provision of his executive [TS]

  contract says you know we can fire you [TS]

  basically make you not come in anymore [TS]

  and let you stew while still paying you [TS]

  you don't have to do any work you just [TS]

  can't come in and learn anything so the [TS]

  by the time you do go on the free market [TS]

  maybe you don't know about what our [TS]

  super secret plans are or you know and [TS]

  never mind they you know the laws are [TS]

  probably valid laws restriction all you [TS]

  can't tell you can't go to another [TS]

  company let me tell you what Apple's [TS]

  planning the next two years because I [TS]

  know like that's surely against the law [TS]

  but you know how these things are like [TS]

  yeah tell them but you can go to another [TS]

  company and say I think we should really [TS]

  do this so didn't do with Apple know [TS]

  nothing do with Apple I just think it [TS]

  would be a good idea if you entered this [TS]

  market or didn't end you know what I [TS]

  mean so gardening leave is a good way to [TS]

  protect against that again we have no [TS]

  knowledge of whether such a clause [TS]

  existence got four stalls executive [TS]

  thing the only information can be [TS]

  offered here is it this is a thing and I [TS]

  guess we'll see like you said New Year's [TS]

  Day you know Scott forestalls out in the [TS]

  street I mean it's cardboard box and [TS]

  he's walking out of the building right [TS]

  getting into his Ferrari with a really [TS]

  sad face driving to his palatial [TS]

  mountain home yeah and just being [TS]

  depressed but if we see that like he's [TS]

  not on the free market like you know he [TS]

  doesn't go any we don't see like I was [TS]

  God Forrestal now they doesn't work for [TS]

  Apple he's you know hanging out of the [TS]

  cafe or he goes to work with you know [TS]

  and then mold it could be that he's on [TS]

  gardening Li and the next point he has [TS]

  is the reason why I company rarely at [TS]

  ever admit that an executive was fired [TS]

  he says he doesn't know again that's not [TS]

  enough about California law to be sure [TS]

  but his guess is that it has nothing to [TS]

  do with respect for the former employee [TS]

  and everything to do with fear of being [TS]

  sued a statement that a person was fired [TS]

  beacon could be considered defamatory or [TS]

  libelous depending on what was said and [TS]

  the circumstances in which was said and [TS]

  you know he says this is true of any [TS]

  employee but it's usually not such a big [TS]

  deal with jr. love our employees because [TS]

  they're less likely to have the [TS]

  resources to sue basically meaning [TS]

  they're not rich the and it costs a lot [TS]

  of money to sue anybody and even if they [TS]

  did sue it would be difficult for them [TS]

  to prove damages their reputation [TS]

  because the peon employees don't have [TS]

  much of reputation to be damaged those [TS]

  means both of these things kind of get [TS]

  back to the yet because you're when [TS]

  you're an important person hey you rich [TS]

  and be you know you can make you have [TS]

  enough money to sue and you can say well [TS]

  everybody knows about this now and it's [TS]

  a big deal and you know you can't say I [TS]

  was fired and all that stuff so many [TS]

  many reasons why top-level executives [TS]

  what the rich are different than us as [TS]

  they say Dan why they don't get fired [TS]

  practical reasons reasons that makes [TS]

  sense the gardening leave totally makes [TS]

  sense to me especially in a state like [TS]

  California where non-competes are not [TS]

  powerful at all where are they powerful [TS]

  I think Massachusetts has i mean i don't [TS]

  know like I've had plenty of non-compete [TS]

  to my employee agreements and it's [TS]

  always like they're there that'll tell [TS]

  you I've always heard they're not really [TS]

  like they're not really enforceable and [TS]

  yeah California has explicit laws that [TS]

  says you can't have things called [TS]

  non-compete superior right whereas every [TS]

  other state or at least every other [TS]

  state that I've worked in there like [TS]

  yeah but if you actually tested this in [TS]

  a court of law it you know they put [TS]

  wording in there that's much too strong [TS]

  and it would never hold up completely [TS]

  but do you really want to find out it's [TS]

  all one of those I don't know what you [TS]

  would call it but like things that exist [TS]

  that are you know agreements that exist [TS]

  this is a power imbalance like you don't [TS]

  have the money to pursue this legally [TS]

  even your if you're a hundred percent [TS]

  the right kind of like patents where if [TS]

  you are a little person trying to make a [TS]

  software startup and in doing so you [TS]

  unknowingly violate bazillion patents [TS]

  because it's impossible not to you just [TS]

  don't have the resources to prove that [TS]

  these patents are invalid or to prove [TS]

  anything so same thing with a [TS]

  non-compete like you know if you had [TS]

  infinite money you took all [TS]

  you know all these issues to court you [TS]

  could win on every single one [TS]

  theoretically but you don't have that [TS]

  kind of money or time and so it's just [TS]

  used there as a no as a cudgel to force [TS]

  you to do what the more powerful richer [TS]

  corporation wants you to do I've never [TS]

  tested any of the non-compete ssin that [TS]

  I've signed over the years and I don't [TS]

  want to test any of them and nobody [TS]

  wants to test any of them but it's nice [TS]

  than in California that's one thing you [TS]

  don't do worry about they're just sort [TS]

  of putting the threat out there saying [TS]

  you know what like we don't really trust [TS]

  you but we want you to work for us so [TS]

  science document that that'll make that [TS]

  just for the lawyers the lawyers make us [TS]

  give you this and the things they say it [TS]

  crazy like some of the ones i've signed [TS]

  of like you can't work in this industry [TS]

  for two years I can you know what is [TS]

  this industry like does that mean [TS]

  anything having to do with computers or [TS]

  just like you know I mean really don't [TS]

  care p an employee goes off work for [TS]

  someone else that are not gonna be sure [TS]

  you your you're not going to you know [TS]

  it's it's kind of silly and stupid I [TS]

  wish they didn't exist at all but you [TS]

  know if it's something the company [TS]

  lawyers can get away with doing like [TS]

  it's not illegal to make someone sign [TS]

  one then they'll do that you know and [TS]

  you can just refuse and see if the will [TS]

  you still hire me if I refuse depending [TS]

  on the company maybe they'll star you [TS]

  maybe they won't you know I'm gonna be [TS]

  standing on firm ground do that you just [TS]

  you know you just make your choice like [TS]

  is it important enough for me to not get [TS]

  this job that you know please that's it [TS]

  that's a you know that's a very likely [TS]

  outcome depending on the company then [TS]

  just you know make your stand and that's [TS]

  another criteria you have to use for [TS]

  finding employment but if you're an [TS]

  executive I like I think I would sign [TS]

  the thing with the gardening leave [TS]

  because that's like hey you pay me my [TS]

  humongous salary and I don't have to [TS]

  come into work it's like paid vacation [TS]

  for rich people because you know who [TS]

  needs paid vacation it's rich people [TS]

  right they needs more than more than we [TS]

  do thanks to Michael for Australia for [TS]

  that insight and the the fun term [TS]

  gardening leave which I had never heard [TS]

  before I wonder if Scott will do some [TS]

  gardening the next bit from Jay Andrew [TS]

  yang all one word I don't think I ever [TS]

  found his real name from but I bet it's [TS]

  jay and rehang from twitter about the [TS]

  imac and i cant couldn't remember if i [TS]

  had corrected myself on [TS]

  this in any of the past shows I look [TS]

  through the notes and I didn't see it so [TS]

  forgive me if this is double follow-up [TS]

  but you might you maybe you'll remember [TS]

  we talked about the imac and i said like [TS]

  oh they're just using laptop parts and [TS]

  slapping on the back that I correct [TS]

  myself about that already I don't think [TS]

  I don't think you'd you did make a [TS]

  comment about it but what is there to [TS]

  correct that's true I'll do it quickly [TS]

  again like they use desktop CPUs in the [TS]

  imax they're not laptop CPUs they do [TS]

  tend to use mobile GPUs but that has [TS]

  been true and not true various points [TS]

  but the point is it's not Mac Pro stuff [TS]

  back there it's not Zeon's it's not Ram [TS]

  with ECC it's not yeah this was in the [TS]

  context of cannon and imac replace a mac [TS]

  pro for some people and certainly the [TS]

  GPUs have not been like gigantic double [TS]

  with full-length pci you know those type [TS]

  top-of-the-line GPUs so my points about [TS]

  it Stan but I incorrectly said that it [TS]

  was completely laptop parts back there [TS]

  it's you know CP using storage usually [TS]

  desktop and then the graphics and [TS]

  sometimes the optical drives as well [TS]

  because their skin here are laptop parts [TS]

  but when do you think the distinction [TS]

  between laptop parts and desktop parts [TS]

  not talking just CPUs but when you think [TS]

  that distinction will be blurred away so [TS]

  we won't have to talk about it anymore I [TS]

  don't know if ever because like you know [TS]

  if so anything anybody needs can always [TS]

  be you know that tops are all anybody [TS]

  needs so why would anyone make a desktop [TS]

  thing well if you have a bigger power [TS]

  budget you and and more physical space [TS]

  you can make a more capable thing like [TS]

  that will always be true no matter how [TS]

  the technology advances and I don't [TS]

  think we're anywhere near the point [TS]

  where a more capable more powerful thing [TS]

  is not incrementally more useful than a [TS]

  less powerful thing right so I think [TS]

  whether the terms we use to describe it [TS]

  to the same that the distinction between [TS]

  know something you can fit in your [TS]

  pocket something you can carry one hand [TS]

  something you can carry two hands and [TS]

  something that's plugged into the wall [TS]

  those distinctions will continue to [TS]

  exist or something that is sometimes [TS]

  plugged in you know that continuum will [TS]

  continue to exist so I don't think it's [TS]

  gone away okay next bit is from jared [TS]

  williams who gives us it gave us the [TS]

  definitive link on the available disk [TS]

  space in the microsoft surface this is [TS]

  from microsoft com itself he sent it i [TS]

  think by email knows [TS]

  bye bye Twitter and then that same day I [TS]

  saw it linked around all over the web so [TS]

  this is kind of old news but i just put [TS]

  it in the show notes for completeness [TS]

  microsoft coms page it says this [TS]

  phrasing is so weird and this how much [TS]

  hard disk space do you have available on [TS]

  your surface hard disk space like that's [TS]

  just the term they use I can kind of [TS]

  understand because I try to explain to [TS]

  my parents about you know I get them [TS]

  like a yeah then you got a 32 gigabyte [TS]

  ipod touch what is that 32 gigabytes [TS]

  mean and I have to to make them [TS]

  understand I have to say that's like [TS]

  your hard drive like to distinguish it [TS]

  from ram and no matter how much I [TS]

  explain this I think I've talked about [TS]

  it before my mother in particular was [TS]

  obsessed with the idea that by deleting [TS]

  applications it would allow like she had [TS]

  an old ipod touch and modern games were [TS]

  like crashing on launched on it they're [TS]

  probably being killed by the low memory [TS]

  killer because it just wasn't enough [TS]

  memory to support these things for maybe [TS]

  they're just buggy or whatever I said [TS]

  the problem is you don't have enough [TS]

  memory and she would say oh I can fix [TS]

  that by deleting some applications i [TS]

  don't use never mind the fact that half [TS]

  of the you know 32 gigs were free anyway [TS]

  and i tried to emphasize know like [TS]

  deleting things from your quote-unquote [TS]

  hard drive on your ipod touch is not [TS]

  going to give you more ram like they're [TS]

  two separate things was there for the [TS]

  age-old confusion going back to the [TS]

  beginning of time yeah and like at least [TS]

  we before we have like well one is the [TS]

  size of you know one is like a big metal [TS]

  box with a spinning thing and the other [TS]

  one is chips that don't move right and [TS]

  now they're all chips though they're all [TS]

  chips and don't move and the [TS]

  distinctions because you're so microsoft [TS]

  refers to the store the internal flash [TS]

  storage of and now we use flash to it's [TS]

  like well flash is different than ram [TS]

  because you know when you turn the power [TS]

  off all your data doesn't leave flash [TS]

  but does Leibrandt you know all these [TS]

  increasingly nuanced distinction so [TS]

  microsoft says forget it we're just [TS]

  calling it a hard disk hard disk space [TS]

  this it's it's hard i guess there's no [TS]

  disk okay so notice page says the 32 [TS]

  gigabyte version has 16 gigabytes free [TS]

  hard disk space and the 64 gig version [TS]

  has forty five gigabytes free and then [TS]

  dozen more detailed breakdown so this [TS]

  link is in the show notes right from the [TS]

  horse's mouth see where Microsoft has to [TS]

  say about the hard disk on your surface [TS]

  and the other point that lots of surface [TS]

  fans and other attentive people brought [TS]

  up is yeah the surface OS and install [TS]

  software might take up a lot of room [TS]

  more room than the equivalent if there [TS]

  is an equivalent thing on the iPad and [TS]

  iOS devices do but the surface has an SD [TS]

  card slot so if you're like oh I bought [TS]

  the 16 gigabyte surface well go buy [TS]

  yourself a 64 gigabyte SD card for like [TS]

  you know 50 bucks or whatever they cost [TS]

  and you know if you just given yourself [TS]

  more storage than any iOS device that [TS]

  you can buy at any price can ever have [TS]

  alright it has a micro SDXC card slot [TS]

  this is getting to be kind of like the [TS]

  alphabet soup of resolutions it was like [TS]

  vga you mean you might notice these from [TS]

  your pc days what's a lot what's the [TS]

  most obscure letter combination for [TS]

  resolutions that you know i'll stop your [TS]

  head i don't know any of them anymore [TS]

  it's wqx you BGA yeah like they just go [TS]

  great anyway so SDXC is not getting that [TS]

  bad but I had to look up what I meant [TS]

  secure digital extended capacity the [TS]

  exes or extended and those cards go up [TS]

  to two terabytes in size loyal you can [TS]

  buy two terrified SD card and I don't [TS]

  think the surface would support it [TS]

  anyway and the sdhc which is the other [TS]

  alphabet super standard before that [TS]

  stopped at 32 gigs so yes you can get a [TS]

  64 gig SD card and go nuts that's the [TS]

  the microsoft way give you an SD card [TS]

  slot and that you know if you think [TS]

  about that that would be nice to have it [TS]

  an ipad like everyone would get a 16 gig [TS]

  ipad and by the SD card but it's not the [TS]

  Apple way because you know the Apple way [TS]

  is don't provide a device where a naive [TS]

  user can while using the thing yank out [TS]

  the SD card and not understand what that [TS]

  does machine like what happens when you [TS]

  do that the half your apps go right what [TS]

  gets put on the SD card vs anywhere is [TS]

  are you manually manage storage does it [TS]

  use it like a fusion drive an iOS like [TS]

  it's yeah probably you can imagine that [TS]

  that feature not coming to iOS devices [TS]

  but it's on the surface so that [TS]

  mitigates a lot of these space [TS]

  constraints and really up well and I say [TS]

  Microsoft should be pushing that harder [TS]

  but I don't know how Microsoft Surface [TS]

  OS manages space either so you wouldn't [TS]

  want to say oh you can manually manage [TS]

  where your stuff is by copying it to the [TS]

  SD card and you know for as much [TS]

  criticism as Apple received initially [TS]

  when they were doing [TS]

  you know things that essentially with [TS]

  iOS that essentially changed the model [TS]

  to say yes you have files but don't [TS]

  don't worry about where these files are [TS]

  you know I think in a way looking at [TS]

  these issues with the surface kind of [TS]

  say well this maybe is why well you know [TS]

  Microsoft obviously not taking that [TS]

  right but that makes like in some [TS]

  respects that it makes it gives it like [TS]

  the SD card he gives the user of the [TS]

  surface more control but is thinking [TS]

  said I want this over here and I want [TS]

  that over there and these are on this SD [TS]

  card and that's not all right on the [TS]

  other hand Apple Apple is the only one [TS]

  with the flexibility to later on say you [TS]

  know we know holographic cube supporting [TS]

  you plug in a holographic cube in the [TS]

  back of our iOS device and we [TS]

  transparently manage what stuff is [TS]

  stored on the holographic cube and how [TS]

  can we do that because you never had any [TS]

  control over where stuff was anyway [TS]

  right we've always managed it right so [TS]

  we can make sure that like entire [TS]

  applications on all their data are over [TS]

  there so when you gank out the [TS]

  holographic cube that you know certain [TS]

  apps disappear in their entirety you're [TS]

  not left with like half of a nap and [TS]

  missing files and stuff you know never [TS]

  allowing direct access to the files [TS]

  gives you the most future flexibility to [TS]

  how to manage storage whereas allowing [TS]

  access to manage files like Microsoft [TS]

  does gives you the most current day [TS]

  practical flexibility for people who [TS]

  know how to manage that stuff I think [TS]

  apple is in the right here but Microsoft [TS]

  strategies always been a contrast Apple [TS]

  strategy you know that entire product [TS]

  and with their OS so it's probably [TS]

  appropriate for them some fusion drives [TS]

  stuff I asked some questions about [TS]

  fusion driving people answered on [TS]

  Twitter this is it should practice his [TS]

  last name Hinrich one headin I'm killing [TS]

  that one I'm sorry I probably killed the [TS]

  first name too maybe it's a V [TS]

  pronunciation because it's like German [TS]

  anyway I asked if you could boot from a [TS]

  fusion drive you know some people making [TS]

  the fusion drives that attached to like [TS]

  other random acts so he's like you made [TS]

  a fusion drive for his mac pro and [TS]

  Buddha promo it works fine and you can [TS]

  read and write the fusion partitions [TS]

  issue committal is HC ABI TT le says [TS]

  that homebrew fusion drives do support [TS]

  installation of OS 10 he provided [TS]

  to Apple fusion drive on late 2010 [TS]

  macbook pro someone's little diary of [TS]

  them taking their macbook pro and [TS]

  they've got an SSD and a hard drive in [TS]

  there and get a fusion drive and it [TS]

  boots just fine so this you know this [TS]

  appears to be at all these people are [TS]

  basically working in unsupported [TS]

  configurations and I would not recommend [TS]

  this but for people who want to give it [TS]

  a try it seems you know everyone is [TS]

  having success whatever thing they can [TS]

  think up that they think might work it's [TS]

  working for them Alexander Torres [TS]

  tweeted something in Spanish that I [TS]

  tried to translate with google translate [TS]

  but it doesn't matter because the thing [TS]

  he tweeted as a picture of a dialogue [TS]

  with sin English it shows what happens [TS]

  if you have a fusion drive and try [TS]

  looking at it connected to a mac that is [TS]

  running something earlier than OS 10 [TS]

  10.8 point2 and the dialog box is pretty [TS]

  good so we're talking about before of [TS]

  how Apple handled the transitioned hfs+ [TS]

  and by the way I had since looked up [TS]

  some of that stuff either i looked it up [TS]

  or had a better recall when you [TS]

  connected an h press + drive to a mac [TS]

  that didn't understand that volume [TS]

  format that you know that with an OS [TS]

  that existed before hfs+ it would look [TS]

  like an h FS volume and it had like a [TS]

  readme file like it was it wasn't just [TS]

  the readme file explained what the [TS]

  situation was so it the hrs + drive [TS]

  masts itself as an h of a tiny HFS [TS]

  volume with a single readme file that [TS]

  opened liked each text or whatever the [TS]

  current version of the apples text [TS]

  editor was so that was those cute anyway [TS]

  the dialog box for fusion drive says [TS]

  this is in the Charlotte's to the disk [TS]

  use the disk instead of this disk maybe [TS]

  this agree translation the disk uses a [TS]

  format that your current version of OS [TS]

  10 does not support to use this disk a [TS]

  newer version of OS 10 is required or [TS]

  all your files are still on the disk so [TS]

  it's a pretty good error message like it [TS]

  it doesn't just totally unrecognized it [TS]

  and say you want to initialize it it [TS]

  recognizes it must have been enough even [TS]

  back in whatever version this is to say [TS]

  this isn't totally alien but it doesn't [TS]

  work with this version maybe they have [TS]

  some version information of the thing [TS]

  whatever so it says you know it's not [TS]

  broken you just need a newer version of [TS]

  OS 10 and this is an older version [TS]

  saying that so that's likely forward [TS]

  compatibility thing that I was trying to [TS]

  talk about before where old software can [TS]

  make intelligent observations about [TS]

  things that didn't even exist when it [TS]

  was written based on you [TS]

  some metadata or whatever or just clever [TS]

  engineering and the reassuring thing all [TS]

  your files are still on the disk like [TS]

  your stuffs not gone you just can't see [TS]

  it from here oh that's pretty good job [TS]

  on that message Lee hutchinson and ours [TS]

  has been doing good job of breaking this [TS]

  stuff down yeah yeah learning more about [TS]

  fusion drive he's got this big article [TS]

  achieving fusion with the service [TS]

  training doc ours tears open apples [TS]

  fusion drive so you got like the apple [TS]

  store service manuals for like how to do [TS]

  stuff when people bring in their max [TS]

  that have fusion drive how does he get [TS]

  have someone get that stuff leaks that's [TS]

  it that's how it works okay someone [TS]

  who's an apple store employee your nose [TS]

  and apple store employee you know it [TS]

  things get leaked I mean it's not [TS]

  groundbreaking it you know if you wanted [TS]

  to see what their service guys look like [TS]

  or what their instructions are just [TS]

  tells you it's very you know it here's [TS]

  how you work with someone who brings in [TS]

  a fusion drive it's actually pretty [TS]

  complicated and like if you just gave [TS]

  someone those instructions who didn't [TS]

  know what they were doing you you know [TS]

  they wouldn't follow them right or would [TS]

  be confused by a certain point like you [TS]

  know seeing how people in these stories [TS]

  are expected to follow these fairly [TS]

  complicated instructions and not screw [TS]

  them up that's not easy to do I course [TS]

  we all expect them to not screw up I [TS]

  brought out of the apple store and they [TS]

  destroyed everything but yeah anyway uh [TS]

  you can take a look at that articles in [TS]

  the show notes there's another one from [TS]

  Tom who all lowercase whose name I gave [TS]

  up trying to find this is a BYOD fusion [TS]

  there's a couple of things with BYOD I'm [TS]

  assuming so bring your own disk he's got [TS]

  an article about his experience of the [TS]

  fusion and finally there's someone from [TS]

  something from tripod tech tryb ODT ACH [TS]

  has a video on youtube of do-it-yourself [TS]

  fusion drive so basically if you're [TS]

  interested in fusion drive and you have [TS]

  10 82 but you don't have one of those [TS]

  new max there are many many resources [TS]

  for you to go to to learn how to [TS]

  potentially destroy all your data but [TS]

  also have a lot of fun so I haven't [TS]

  tried any of these things I think you [TS]

  can't to watch other people stuff than I [TS]

  you know I don't have a spare SSD to add [TS]

  to the mix or whatever but like I said [TS]

  I'm looking forward to using fusion [TS]

  drive and whatever our next new mac i [TS]

  buying 2013 but for now it's not for me [TS]

  but if you want to tried many resources [TS]

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  getting direct messages on Twitter but [TS]

  people need to tell me whether the [TS]

  things that direct messaging me about [TS]

  the show that they're currently [TS]

  listening to can be spoken about on the [TS]

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  knowledge i can just can't talk about it [TS]

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  lied feedback to the listeners otherwise [TS]

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  don't do the reverse cuz then they read [TS]

  it and then quickly you know especially [TS]

  when you're talking to somebody who's on [TS]

  the air live what if i just read it off [TS]

  you know in my excitement right anyway [TS]

  topics today i don't know how many will [TS]

  get to depends on how long they go i [TS]

  have a lot of them and the notes get [TS]

  longer as the topics go on but who knows [TS]

  so we'll just maybe maybe we'll cut it [TS]

  off after a couple of topics go by and [TS]

  it decide that that's it because we've [TS]

  had a lot of long shows lately I don't [TS]

  know what this one's going to people say [TS]

  so the first thing I want to talk about [TS]

  is usually the third rail for tech [TS]

  podcast is to talk about anything having [TS]

  related to politics i'm not gonna [TS]

  actually talk about politics i gotta [TS]

  talk a little bit about tech just a tiny [TS]

  little bit ah specifically about voting [TS]

  technology i assume you voted in the [TS]

  presidential election everybody's should [TS]

  exercise the right to vote and whether i [TS]

  voted and how i voted is something that [TS]

  she'll be a mystery whether you voted [TS]

  whether i voted and how i voted shall i [TS]

  can ask us how you do not even see why [TS]

  do not discuss politics i did not [TS]

  discuss voting i did not discuss [TS]

  religion i will talk about buddhism as a [TS]

  philosophy with Merlin man on the back [TS]

  to work show and those are the only two [TS]

  rules i have you can say shit which i [TS]

  will not say if i voted i will not say [TS]

  how i voted on that say where I voted to [TS]

  look like it's a Maya I do not like it [TS]

  this is that this is the there are only [TS]

  two rules that I have and those are the [TS]

  two now you have so many more than two [TS]

  wrong no not not when it comes to [TS]

  podcasting [TS]

  alright well so what I want to ask about [TS]

  let's say you can draw on your past [TS]

  experience if you've ever heard this [TS]

  implies that I've ever voted oh yes [TS]

  that's too much so anyway like voting [TS]

  technology like how the mechanics of how [TS]

  people pick you know who this is this is [TS]

  the way it works for those who have [TS]

  never voted in the United States you are [TS]

  you walk into a booth there's a very [TS]

  large lever or lever and you you you [TS]

  take a small mallet and you tap the end [TS]

  of a little stick to punch out a card [TS]

  through this block of a hole through [TS]

  block of wood and then you pull the [TS]

  lever and it the card falls straight [TS]

  down into a big you know like open [TS]

  opening in the floor there are many [TS]

  different things that people use to vote [TS]

  and the thing you're talking about were [TS]

  you going with a booth and there's a [TS]

  lever and stuff I never actually used [TS]

  one of those but I remember seeing them [TS]

  when I was a kid like in my elementary [TS]

  school and they would be better if I [TS]

  have ever voted I would have definitely [TS]

  used one of those as well and I I [TS]

  however I will say that I have never [TS]

  having no knowledge of the voting [TS]

  process because I cannot say if I've [TS]

  ever voted or not I can say that I've [TS]

  never used a computer system to vote [TS]

  yeah so another common system that i [TS]

  have used is kind of like the [TS]

  standardized testing things you take in [TS]

  school where there's like little bubbles [TS]

  and you fill them out scantron with a [TS]

  pencil or pen yet I can't drop optical [TS]

  scanning a bunch of empty circles and if [TS]

  you film one of them with darkness then [TS]

  you set it through a machine it finds [TS]

  the one little circle that is filled in [TS]

  with darkness because it's less [TS]

  reflective than the ones that weren't [TS]

  because the paper is white and that's [TS]

  how it registers your votes that's what [TS]

  I had this year I did vote and they gave [TS]

  you I explained on Twitter that they [TS]

  gave us little pins like sharpie markers [TS]

  to fill it in we like to fill in the [TS]

  bubbles and then it bled through to the [TS]

  other side like you'd fill in the little [TS]

  thing not like I'm not going crazy like [TS]

  trying to make it a darkest serpent just [TS]

  you know minimal filling in of the [TS]

  circle so that you know and then it [TS]

  bleeds through the other side I don't [TS]

  think it's an issue because the other [TS]

  side where I bled through is not an area [TS]

  that would be scanned like it's not [TS]

  that's not where the answers were on the [TS]

  other side but that's that's just sloppy [TS]

  there were some videos but of touch [TS]

  screen voting machines where someone [TS]

  would tap one choice and the other [TS]

  choice would get selected of course [TS]

  partisan political people are like aha [TS]

  that's because party [TS]

  is sabotaging the machines but the [TS]

  problem worked in both directions there [TS]

  you know tried to vote for at Canaday [TS]

  and B was selected and then other [TS]

  touchscreen voting machines tried to [TS]

  vote from Canada B and a was selected so [TS]

  that's not that's obviously it's either [TS]

  the worst kind of political hacking or [TS]

  it's just you know bugs in the system of [TS]

  course we had the butterfly ballot swear [TS]

  it was hard to even in Florida from 2000 [TS]

  it was hard to even tell who you were [TS]

  voting for I just bad you I just you [TS]

  know there's lots of articles around [TS]

  2000 about the user interface of voting [TS]

  and how like hanging chads it should [TS]

  yeah that the hanging chads are punching [TS]

  out paper like it should you know the [TS]

  qualities of a good voting system [TS]

  technologically speaking are pretty [TS]

  clear like the person voting has to know [TS]

  who that they're voting for they [TS]

  shouldn't have to puzzle over this thing [TS]

  like it shouldn't be like when most [TS]

  people figured it out but something will [TS]

  be confuse like there it's kind of like [TS]

  connectors like it's your job to design [TS]

  connectors are certain criteria for it [TS]

  if it's your job to design voting [TS]

  technology there it mean I don't think [TS]

  it would be is rocket science for us to [TS]

  come up with criteria I should know who [TS]

  I'm voting for it should be clear who [TS]

  I'm voting for it should be easy to [TS]

  count an automated mannered you know all [TS]

  these other qualities about it and yet [TS]

  the voting technology that we're all [TS]

  using and it changes because like this [TS]

  these things are controlled I guess by [TS]

  the states or the counties or whatever [TS]

  there's no like big federally mandated [TS]

  this is how we voted in the United [TS]

  States well everyone's using different [TS]

  machines you know filling in bubbles and [TS]

  things pulling levers punching things [TS]

  out using various touchscreen electronic [TS]

  voting devices and stuff and over the [TS]

  years there have been stories and a tech [TS]

  press about these electronic voting [TS]

  machines and how incredibly terrible [TS]

  they are like you know they they get [TS]

  government contracts because of their [TS]

  connections with the government but the [TS]

  machines themselves are terrible they're [TS]

  not secure their buggy they're not easy [TS]

  to understand like most people say oh [TS]

  you know those electronico machines are [TS]

  terrible we should stick to the tried [TS]

  and true technologies like the lever and [TS]

  the pencil things I filling in the [TS]

  bubbles because those are in and most [TS]

  respects their true they all the [TS]

  electronic things are worse in almost [TS]

  all possible ways in the old ones but [TS]

  that doesn't mean that better voting [TS]

  technology is impossible and so I [TS]

  continue to be fresh grated every every [TS]

  time there's an election at the dismal [TS]

  state of the technology used for voting [TS]

  mostly because this is like this is a [TS]

  problem that we know we meaning like [TS]

  humanity humanity knows how to solve [TS]

  right [TS]

  we have the mathematics and the [TS]

  technology to make something fulfills [TS]

  all the criteria that a rational person [TS]

  would lay out for voting user interface [TS]

  is still a little bit hard because [TS]

  that's not it's more a little bit of art [TS]

  more than science in there but it's [TS]

  testable like find out if this ballot is [TS]

  clear to everyone who's using it and [TS]

  just make it until it's like super duper [TS]

  extremely clear so the technologies I'm [TS]

  talking about it there's actually a [TS]

  Wikipedia entry on like this as a [TS]

  concept not even to specific things the [TS]

  page i linked is end-to-end auditable [TS]

  voting systems which it's kind of like [TS]

  sounds like end-to-end data and [TS]

  racketeering ZFS but this particular [TS]

  property that you can this is something [TS]

  you can do with electronic voting [TS]

  systems that you can't do or can't do is [TS]

  easily with a paper type system so their [TS]

  definition is and and auditable voting [TS]

  systems are voting systems with [TS]

  stringent integrity properties integrity [TS]

  properties and strong tamper resistance [TS]

  and they often employ cryptographic [TS]

  methods to craft receipts that allow [TS]

  voters to verify that their votes were [TS]

  not modified without revealing which [TS]

  candidates they voted for so that's [TS]

  basically I don't get into the Mathmos [TS]

  because I don't understand it myself but [TS]

  it's kind of like public key [TS]

  cryptography where with with a system [TS]

  like this every aspect of it can and [TS]

  should be completely open completely [TS]

  open source the implementation is [TS]

  completely opened everything about it is [TS]

  like everybody come look at it there's [TS]

  no secret black box where you can't see [TS]

  behind you can see how this thing works [TS]

  anybody can make a machine that worked [TS]

  in this way uh and we can mathematically [TS]

  proved you can mathematically prove to [TS]

  yourself that your vote was counted that [TS]

  it wasn't changed and no one else can [TS]

  tell who you voted right so like it [TS]

  gives you all the benefits of you know [TS]

  anonymous voting and stuff like that or [TS]

  whatever but but you know with a [TS]

  mathematically secure system if anybody [TS]

  tampers with it you'll know and any [TS]

  citizen if they have any doubt that [TS]

  their vote was not counted or was [TS]

  changed and correctly can verify to [TS]

  themselves in a way that that [TS]

  verification couldn't be faked without [TS]

  you know access to the ability to find [TS]

  humongous prime factors beyond our [TS]

  current technologically like any any [TS]

  cryptographic system will have to keep [TS]

  pace with technology because it would [TS]

  get like quantum computers and all of a [TS]

  sudden are our secure voting system is [TS]

  insecure because in theory you know the [TS]

  US government or [TS]

  could use their NSA supercomputers to [TS]

  fake your authentication make everyone [TS]

  think their votes counter and really [TS]

  they didn't write you have to keep up [TS]

  with it but we totally have the [TS]

  technology to do this now to make a [TS]

  voting system that does not stink that [TS]

  is way better than all the paper systems [TS]

  and that is verifiable in ways that no [TS]

  current system can come close to [TS]

  matching and also we we know have the [TS]

  technology to make user interfaces that [TS]

  don't confuse people like this isn't [TS]

  it's not like we're asking them to uh [TS]

  fill out a you know it parts list for [TS]

  747 you're just voting for you know this [TS]

  guy or that guy or that guy this guy [TS]

  that is not or gal it's not a it's not a [TS]

  as far as you I problems go this doesn't [TS]

  seem like rocket science to me not that [TS]

  I'm saying you couldn't have a great but [TS]

  you know we and in this country we have [TS]

  people who understand this technology we [TS]

  have we even have government agencies [TS]

  who understand this technology [TS]

  understand cryptography understand [TS]

  everything about obviously you cannot [TS]

  the government make these things [TS]

  themselves for variety of reasons but [TS]

  and yet maybe you don't want the federal [TS]

  government forcing you to do it but this [TS]

  technology exists out there and you just [TS]

  don't see it anywhere all you see are [TS]

  increasingly crappy electronic voting [TS]

  machines that make things worse and the [TS]

  old systems that are bad in their own [TS]

  ways and the you know so I'm frustrated [TS]

  by this mostly because it seems like [TS]

  whatever our system of government is [TS]

  here whatever you want to call it it [TS]

  makes it really really hard to get from [TS]

  the things we have to the things we know [TS]

  we should be able to have like what why [TS]

  is it that we can't get you know change [TS]

  the voting machines is it because [TS]

  they're not federally controlled would [TS]

  it be worse if they were federally [TS]

  controlled and be like mini tell and [TS]

  we've got this boo be stuck with you [TS]

  know the lever machines forever I keep [TS]

  picking on mini tell sorry France people [TS]

  yeah I don't know what the solution is I [TS]

  know is that it is insane to me that I [TS]

  went on election day and filled out a [TS]

  scantron thing with a pen and that you [TS]

  may or may not have done something [TS]

  similar no way to know what I did no [TS]

  waiting yeah so anyway that the levant [TS]

  ones are cool though that was [TS]

  disappointing to me it just seems like [TS]

  you know it it's not like sound like all [TS]

  the other areas where we all knew we had [TS]

  the technology to sell music [TS]

  electronically and people were just [TS]

  dragging their feet but at least that [TS]

  solved itself voting stuff it's like [TS]

  she's never you know it's moving so [TS]

  slowly every every state is different [TS]

  every place you go is different what [TS]

  they all want to do is different the way [TS]

  that they tabulate the results is [TS]

  different the way they count the results [TS]

  is different the way the report the [TS]

  results is different and it's you know [TS]

  it's complicated you can even say that's [TS]

  a strength being crazy the amazing [TS]

  technological biodiversity if you want [TS]

  to call it that of all these different [TS]

  things because it makes more difficult [TS]

  for someone to systematically you know [TS]

  change the vote on a wide scale if we [TS]

  had sort of a technological monoculture [TS]

  of like a government-sanctioned [TS]

  quote-unquote auditable and and [TS]

  verifiable voting system if someone [TS]

  broke that and they've just broken the [TS]

  bank I'm not even saying that you need [TS]

  to have some centralized thing it's just [TS]

  that you would expect at least some of [TS]

  the individual places there that are [TS]

  changing their voting system to an [TS]

  electronic form would do it right like [TS]

  to somebody anybody like is it [TS]

  impossible to find the people who know [TS]

  how to do this for you and get like it [TS]

  seems like you know the people who get [TS]

  these government contracts for these [TS]

  electronic voting machines they do bad [TS]

  work the electronic voting machines are [TS]

  bad they're bad in obvious ways than [TS]

  anyone remotely skilled on the art can [TS]

  look at that and say no you're an idiot [TS]

  this is wrong I don't even understand [TS]

  why you're doing this and that's why evo [TS]

  ting like that phrase e-voting has such [TS]

  a bad rap because year after year when [TS]

  anybody with a clue looks any of these [TS]

  machines are like this thing is a joke [TS]

  it is the most incredibly hackable [TS]

  insecure doesn't give us any of the [TS]

  benefits that we could be getting under [TS]

  what you guys are doing but oh i guess [TS]

  you got the government contract to do [TS]

  this since you know corruption or [TS]

  incompetent serve some combination of [TS]

  them it's just depressing this is yet [TS]

  another opportunity by the way for nerds [TS]

  to make the world better again not a [TS]

  partisan issue nerds if you are a young [TS]

  nerd out there could i listen to the [TS]

  show grow up and make better voting [TS]

  machines like when you make that [TS]

  something that you do with your life [TS]

  this seems like a way that nerds can [TS]

  help our country it you know is not [TS]

  partisan at all it's not about any [TS]

  parties just about we have the [TS]

  technology to do good voting let's let's [TS]

  do not say everyone has to vote from [TS]

  their cell phones but like you know if [TS]

  you if you picture the future like when [TS]

  you're a kid like on the year 2000 we [TS]

  will all vote from our mobile [TS]

  communicators like on Star Trek there's [TS]

  no reason we couldn't all vote from our [TS]

  cell phones [TS]

  here we have a technology to do that [TS]

  we're just so far from that in terms of [TS]

  you know actually getting that stuff [TS]

  implemented you know in a way I mean [TS]

  think about this I mean let me tell you [TS]

  about something do you ever do you ever [TS]

  do online banking you trust that enough [TS]

  you're a credit union guy aren't you I [TS]

  am a crazy I knew it so here's the thing [TS]

  some of these banks have these apps out [TS]

  there where you can deposit a check [TS]

  without taking the check to the bank [TS]

  have you seen this you take a picture of [TS]

  it now right and this is so this is how [TS]

  this typically works you take your you [TS]

  take your check you put it down on the [TS]

  desk I'm assuming you still have to [TS]

  endorse the back I did I don't know but [TS]

  you take a photo of the front of the [TS]

  check with all within the app photo of [TS]

  the back of the check and then you enter [TS]

  in the amount and then this this goes [TS]

  away and then usually a number of hours [TS]

  could be 12 could be 24 later it shows [TS]

  up on your on your online statement you [TS]

  know you can log in and see that it's [TS]

  there and the deposit went through and [TS]

  then I guess you're supposed to dispose [TS]

  of the checks after 14 days or something [TS]

  if you're aware of this yep you won't [TS]

  you can't admit to whether you ever have [TS]

  or have not used it I which I respect I [TS]

  don't think we've ever used this this to [TS]

  me my guess is that a human being is [TS]

  looking at these photos right I don't [TS]

  know about that like that can't they [TS]

  just read like this there's OCR Bowl [TS]

  routing stuff on checks right there [TS]

  definitely is I'm just wondering if a [TS]

  foe if the photograph is like I I [TS]

  imagine there has to be human at some [TS]

  stage because what if the photograph you [TS]

  take was in bad lighting I intentionally [TS]

  took one of them one of the photos in [TS]

  less-than-ideal lighting to see if it [TS]

  would throw it back or complain about it [TS]

  or if I would get an email or some [TS]

  nothing it went through and it was [TS]

  correct I bet there's people looking at [TS]

  them but like that that all doesn't that [TS]

  strike you as a talk about skeuomorphism [TS]

  I guess it's not quite the same things [TS]

  like we're gonna send you a piece of [TS]

  paper that says that you were going to [TS]

  get money and if you show this piece of [TS]

  paper to your bank then they'll take the [TS]

  money from my bank account and put it [TS]

  into yours and so and so forth and now [TS]

  you take a picture of this piece of [TS]

  paper that we sent in the mail and then [TS]

  we'll look it's like a [TS]

  right the wire we have wires connect me [TS]

  everybody converges in a direct deposit [TS]

  is how I do most of my things cuz like [TS]

  why you know I I like that that seems [TS]

  more like the future than taking a [TS]

  picture of your check but in the end if [TS]

  you were to look at how banking [TS]

  technology look you would be similarly [TS]

  depressed about what are the actual [TS]

  security and checks and balances how [TS]

  many things are in there they're just [TS]

  like well it's just tradition in the way [TS]

  it's been done in like rules of decorum [TS]

  and manners we're holding our financial [TS]

  system no that's exactly that's exactly [TS]

  it and when you think of the two sort of [TS]

  oldest systems in in the world in here [TS]

  at least you know when it come to you I [TS]

  think of like voting and banking would [TS]

  be in that list of things that involve [TS]

  paper and Trust and it's the whole thing [TS]

  about voting is it really there's so [TS]

  much trust that's involved in this [TS]

  process which is something that is is [TS]

  our right and arguably responsibility on [TS]

  the one hand and then banking which is [TS]

  something that that's equally is [TS]

  frightening and and there's so much [TS]

  trust involved that I mean this is think [TS]

  about this I was visiting South Korea [TS]

  this is gosh I don't know eight years [TS]

  ago 10 years ago something like that and [TS]

  we were we were checking our luggage but [TS]

  they at the time they didn't have it we [TS]

  were just walking with earlier a guy [TS]

  walked up and he looked at our tickets [TS]

  and he said okay and he took that he [TS]

  took the luggage I'm like wait like that [TS]

  don't get a receipt for this there's no [TS]

  barcode is there something you know [TS]

  nothing and I and he's like no no it's [TS]

  fine and he walked away with all of our [TS]

  luggage and our handler over there who [TS]

  was a retired colonel from the South [TS]

  Korean army very distinguished position [TS]

  I very fluent in English cases no no no [TS]

  it's fine i'm like like i did a guy like [TS]

  I get that you say it's fine I [TS]

  appreciate that thank you I feel like I [TS]

  want some kind of receipt fine he's he [TS]

  just sort of laughed because this guy [TS]

  the guy who took our luggage you know [TS]

  this is a young guy the white gloves on [TS]

  the it would be unthinkable for him to [TS]

  not get that luggage to us wherever it [TS]

  was going yeah it would be dishonorable [TS]

  he might have to commit suicide if that [TS]

  happened it was like it was it was funny [TS]

  that I was even asking to these guys it [TS]

  was funny that I was even [TS]

  think about it and here in the US you [TS]

  got guys chucking iPads around in the [TS]

  back of walmart you see that video and [TS]

  it's so it's like it's so different and [TS]

  yet there's still so much trusted to [TS]

  them that was not an issue of trust that [TS]

  was an issue of honor and like you don't [TS]

  question that but here it's like please [TS]

  count my vote please let me make this [TS]

  deposit that's legit and that I didn't [TS]

  really add an extra zero to the end of [TS]

  this thing on the check you know what [TS]

  I'm saying like it's it feels very [TS]

  different here and you're in that Korean [TS]

  airport no one said you care and no [TS]

  one's going to take that here right I [TS]

  was just weird no one's gonna get that [TS]

  one I know that's right uh yeah so the [TS]

  thing about that is that if he had [TS]

  handed you a piece of paper that would [TS]

  have made you feel better if yes in a [TS]

  weird way like yeah it makes it legit [TS]

  like the Jersey that piece of paper you [TS]

  can wave that in hell you want the [TS]

  papers not gonna make them come back but [TS]

  but I have a piece of paper right great [TS]

  Abby's a bit well you do you admit you [TS]

  feel a little bit better if you've got [TS]

  something that's what I'm weird about [TS]

  those checks and that's what's weird [TS]

  about the voting they don't give you a [TS]

  receipt when you vote but the piece of [TS]

  paper is the same that piece of paper is [TS]

  what you needed to make you feel like if [TS]

  you were in a trusting scenario that [TS]

  you're familiar with right and the lack [TS]

  of the piece of paper like it's just a [TS]

  difference in what mate you know what [TS]

  you're used to in what makes you feel [TS]

  better so they said oh I don't need the [TS]

  piece of paper to feel safe you say well [TS]

  I need the piece of paper she'll say it [TS]

  right both with without that piece of [TS]

  paper in fact I've taken your bags [TS]

  they're gone they're still gone right [TS]

  it's just a question of what you expect [TS]

  then that's the thing with a voting is [TS]

  like you know the general sort of [TS]

  resistance to change and you know [TS]

  Luddite ISM of like technology scares me [TS]

  and I don't trust it and like people are [TS]

  much more comfortable with like in [TS]

  person corruption like actual theft and [TS]

  actual fraud and you know election [TS]

  workers doing bad things then oh no the [TS]

  scary computer hackers are going to [TS]

  change all our votes so Mickey Mouse is [TS]

  going to be president right like the [TS]

  systemic kind of stuff that you can do [TS]

  once things are connected with computers [TS]

  like a one individual is not empowered [TS]

  to you know change hundreds of thousands [TS]

  and millions and billions of votes like [TS]

  I mean even if like the guy who has the [TS]

  power to change every vote in california [TS]

  he can't change those in texas as easily [TS]

  because they're not connected and so on [TS]

  but whereas one computer hacker if [TS]

  everything's all connect [TS]

  or if it's you know the danger of [TS]

  computers is like I don't trust that [TS]

  like I'd rather have the little piece of [TS]

  paper even though I know it's less [TS]

  secure than the computer things because [TS]

  I don't understand computers I don't [TS]

  know what hacking is I don't know how it [TS]

  happens I just know that it does once I [TS]

  got my credit card stolen online and now [TS]

  never trusted electronic voting and like [TS]

  there's something to that like a [TS]

  interconnected electronics and [TS]

  networking does empower an individual [TS]

  actor to do more damage that is [TS]

  definitely true but it also that same [TS]

  technology also empowers us to have way [TS]

  more security than we ever had before [TS]

  right like you know this cryptographic [TS]

  systems with you know public algorithms [TS]

  and public keys like this still a [TS]

  private key somewhere and what if [TS]

  someone gets that and you know it I [TS]

  don't know that the reasons this is on [TS]

  so many different levels on a gut level [TS]

  it's on like you know not able to get [TS]

  our acts together level but i just think [TS]

  even he went in the realm of like not [TS]

  trying to make a cryptographically [TS]

  secure voting system for the entire [TS]

  country just the amount of level doing a [TS]

  competent job of equaling or bettering [TS]

  scantron we're not we're not able to do [TS]

  that as a society it said and the check [TS]

  thing that I think banking will move [TS]

  faster than voting I God effing Utley [TS]

  because you know easily your check is [TS]

  it's something like they did direct [TS]

  deposit they want to they want it to be [TS]

  all more automatable and have less human [TS]

  interaction and they also actually do [TS]

  want more security and they're there [TS]

  they're empowered to change things [TS]

  within their bank more than it seems we [TS]

  are all empowered to change our various [TS]

  voting systems yeah change happens [TS]

  slowly will say well what let's [TS]

  reconvene when were 80 years old to see [TS]

  if Odin technologies improved at all you [TS]

  know if we're still playing out freaking [TS]

  scantron hover com simplified domain [TS]

  management you probably registered the [TS]

  domain with the company just wants to [TS]

  sell you stuff you're not interested in [TS]

  to not so with hover John Syracuse I [TS]

  know you registered domain sometimes you [TS]

  can transfer your domains to hover using [TS]

  their transfer valet services is very [TS]

  cool speaking of human beings behind the [TS]

  scenes that's that's what goes on here [TS]

  when you use their transfer service this [TS]

  valet service it's free it doesn't cost [TS]

  anything but the price you're already [TS]

  paying for the domain when you transfer [TS]

  it a real live human be [TS]

  will oversee the process which can be a [TS]

  very weird process it's not the same [TS]

  with different registrar's it involves [TS]

  as weird i can email and all that stuff [TS]

  they'll handle the whole thing for you [TS]

  they'll make it super simple for you to [TS]

  use it's the best thing ever and i love [TS]

  their service i love the folks behind [TS]

  the scenes here they get a toll-free [TS]

  number you can just call them and you [TS]

  can do it all talk to a person if you [TS]

  don't want to use the computer or you [TS]

  can use a computer for everything it's [TS]

  amazing what these computers can do you [TS]

  type the domain that you want in the [TS]

  little search box it's available click [TS]

  plus you're done pay for it and use [TS]

  paypal you can use a credit card [TS]

  whatever if they don't find it you can [TS]

  enter in that they will suggest a whole [TS]

  bunch of different alternatives for you [TS]

  they'll show you other domains that are [TS]

  similar and available you can even like [TS]

  due the auction stuff through there but [TS]

  it's super simple elegant clean check [TS]

  them out hover com / dan sent me you get [TS]

  ten percent off you can use that code [TS]

  dan sent me for renewals you can use it [TS]

  for their email hosting you can use if [TS]

  you're already customer hover com sludge [TS]

  dan sent me check it out did you see [TS]

  that someone tried to paste an SVG into [TS]

  the chatroom and it's gone nuts Duan [TS]

  Duan Daniel Duan he's a young man here [TS]

  in town I is what I assume happened this [TS]

  happens to me a lot to within modern OS [TS]

  10 and most desktop operating systems [TS]

  when you select something in an [TS]

  application and you just like copy ah [TS]

  yes like you see it happen regardless of [TS]

  what actually happens then like the idea [TS]

  is like oh I've copied this thing and if [TS]

  you were looking at it and it looked [TS]

  like it was text right you think you [TS]

  just copied that text but you may be [TS]

  surprised to find that when you paste [TS]

  that into an a text application that [TS]

  understands different typefaces and [TS]

  colors that it's reproduced exactly as [TS]

  it was when you copied it so like if you [TS]

  copy something web page and paste into [TS]

  text edit and on the web page it was [TS]

  like pink Comic Sans it'll be pink Comic [TS]

  Sans you know 24 point in the thing so [TS]

  it didn't just copy the text it copied [TS]

  all the styling information as well and [TS]

  the same goes for images where a lot of [TS]

  web browsers when you copy you think [TS]

  you're copying an image or even just [TS]

  copying the URL of an image or something [TS]

  like that if you paste it into a text [TS]

  editor you get the URL but if you paste [TS]

  into an application that claims to [TS]

  understand for example SVG it will say [TS]

  oh this recipient of the pasteboard data [TS]

  says that understands SVG so i will give [TS]

  the SVG incarnation of this thing you [TS]

  copied and I don't know if that's what [TS]

  actually happened but it it happens [TS]

  frequently to me when I copy like a link [TS]

  from an application I just want the text [TS]

  URL but I try to paste it and like beeps [TS]

  at me so though I don't understand links [TS]

  like because it copied it is like a [TS]

  bookmark link or something and the [TS]

  application says i can receive you know [TS]

  that type of format but really can't so [TS]

  what's on the pasteboard or the [TS]

  clipboard depending on what operating [TS]

  system you want to take the terminology [TS]

  from is usually sort of a multiple [TS]

  incarnations or a promise to get [TS]

  multiple incarnations of a piece of data [TS]

  and which one you end up getting depends [TS]

  on what the recipient of that paste said [TS]

  it was going to accept so maybe Duan can [TS]

  fill us in on what what the major [TS]

  malfunction was there but he said he was [TS]

  dead atang an SVG file yeah I maybe just [TS]

  didn't know he had that on the clipboard [TS]

  and he thought he had something else and [TS]

  it was just plain text so I don't know [TS]

  and Swilley amez now we're gonna get a [TS]

  few weeks of follow-up on your mistake [TS]

  how right he is yeah yes I know it [TS]

  wasn't deliberate him we all like [TS]

  mistakes I've I've done it many times [TS]

  pasted the wrong thing in the wrong [TS]

  place all right one small one and then I [TS]

  guess will they find a larger topic for [TS]

  today will do and yeah maybe that won't [TS]

  last that long but I have a humongous [TS]

  not humongous it's two equally large [TS]

  topics and I don't think they're both [TS]

  going to fit in this show so i'll save [TS]

  the second one but first a small topic [TS]

  small topic is google voice search have [TS]

  you tried that out i have tried it i [TS]

  have also seen the video of the [TS]

  comparison these quote-unquote [TS]

  side-by-side comparison between google [TS]

  voice search and built in serie and it [TS]

  in my own experiments with it it does [TS]

  seem to mirror those expressed in this [TS]

  video that the guy took running each on [TS]

  the iphone five it is faster and i think [TS]

  it's i think it's better i put it in the [TS]

  show notes a link to oh god I'm gonna [TS]

  have to trim the show notes who'd be [TS]

  someone tailing trimming off that second [TS]

  topic have a million show notes on it [TS]

  this is a feature request that you [TS]

  should put into the CMS I'd like to be [TS]

  able to just move all those aunts the [TS]

  next show I know I can I mean I can do I [TS]

  can do that for you and like one line [TS]

  but i would have to you would have to [TS]

  the [TS]

  tell me they do never directly update [TS]

  the database in production have you [TS]

  learned nothing as a web developer I oei [TS]

  back the thing up nightly so big deal oh [TS]

  yeah rollback yeah the worst ones where [TS]

  you don't notice you did you know update [TS]

  without a where clause and there it [TS]

  executed fine and then six weeks later [TS]

  you go was titled every story the same [TS]

  hmm all right uh anyway this link in the [TS]

  show notes is a Gruber's take on this a [TS]

  typical tourist form he's got a link to [TS]

  I think it's the same movie the you saw [TS]

  it was a gizmodo has a side by side [TS]

  thing it is gizmodo yes yeah and he [TS]

  links to it and his you know one line [TS]

  commentary on it is how fast should [TS]

  Serie B this fast right anybody who has [TS]

  an iOS device with the microphone who [TS]

  hasn't tried the google voice search [TS]

  thing it's just it's just the google [TS]

  search app like it's not i don't think [TS]

  it's a separate app right it's just a [TS]

  google search app did a little blue g [TS]

  and ask where it's free application when [TS]

  i heard everyone raving about this [TS]

  before I'd even seen the videos i [TS]

  downloaded onto my cruddy ipod touch [TS]

  previous generation not particularly [TS]

  fast it does have a microphone on it and [TS]

  i tried it out and you know i was [TS]

  shocked at how how much faster and [TS]

  better it feels then Syriana iphone [TS]

  iphone 4s like my wife's iphone for us [TS]

  yeah there's a couple of aspects of this [TS]

  right the first aspect is an area where [TS]

  Apple where Apple should be a contender [TS]

  and that is the area of make it feel [TS]

  fast it doesn't necessarily have to be [TS]

  fast but make it feel fast and the [TS]

  reason google voice search feels like [TS]

  well i'm not fast but more responsive is [TS]

  because when you start talking stuff [TS]

  happens on the screen stuff happen [TS]

  immediately that and it shows it shows [TS]

  what you're saying it shows that it's [TS]

  understanding you and it's that instant [TS]

  visual feedback and you know Google's [TS]

  been you know you got to give a Google [TS]

  credit they get this concept if you [TS]

  think about gmail you you know when you [TS]

  hit Send in gmail it's not sent that [TS]

  fast you know that anyone who knows [TS]

  about computers knows it's not sent that [TS]

  fast but it instantaneously look like [TS]

  it's been sent and what does that do [TS]

  that's a token you know [TS]

  it's been sent good you're not sitting [TS]

  there waiting with a little spinner it's [TS]

  sent then of course it's going into [TS]

  Gmail's massive queue and it may take a [TS]

  minute before it actually sends but it's [TS]

  that instantaneous visual response and [TS]

  this is this is the thing that strikes [TS]

  you if you just watch this video and you [TS]

  need to install the app you get that [TS]

  instantaneous feedback that something is [TS]

  happening where's was serious just a [TS]

  little swirling around microphone thing [TS]

  you're like I wonder if it even heard me [TS]

  yeah there's different levels of this [TS]

  one is something happens like you always [TS]

  want to see something happens because [TS]

  then you especially novice computers [TS]

  just like did I do it is it is it doing [TS]

  something for me like you want to know [TS]

  something's happening so that's the [TS]

  first level and Siri mostly does that [TS]

  like once you start talking something [TS]

  happens on the screen to let you know [TS]

  like the phone's not frozen like [TS]

  something is actually happening here [TS]

  right and the second level is something [TS]

  is happening that exactly reflects what [TS]

  it is that you're doing so it like it's [TS]

  kind of like in fantastical when you [TS]

  type in something you know and it's like [TS]

  parsing your natural language of the [TS]

  date and you can see it gives you a [TS]

  little visual representation here I [TS]

  figured out that I think you said a [TS]

  month and here I think you're saying a [TS]

  day up you type something different now [TS]

  i misinterpreting it this way or like [TS]

  quicksilver my my favorite launcher as [TS]

  I'm typing the first few letters I'm [TS]

  looking at the icons changing it's like [TS]

  nope not that one not that one that one [TS]

  as soon as i typed enough for a tia to [TS]

  the icon i want my pinky it's returning [TS]

  them off right it's real-time visual [TS]

  feedback of how it is how it is [TS]

  understanding what you're doing so not [TS]

  only are you sure that it isn't frozen [TS]

  you are sure as you're talking that it's [TS]

  getting things right or if it's not [TS]

  getting things right you know you see in [TS]

  what way it's failing right part of the [TS]

  reason I think Apple currently doesn't [TS]

  do this in serious because they don't [TS]

  have on phone recognition like it's it's [TS]

  packing everything up sending streaming [TS]

  it out to the server and the service [TS]

  figuring out and sending your response [TS]

  like it's offloading the processing and [TS]

  we said when seriouser was around like [TS]

  you know it seems like there's enough [TS]

  horsepower on these handheld devices to [TS]

  do you know maybe not as fancy kind of [TS]

  recognition but a new some recognition [TS]

  here on the phone and Android does have [TS]

  on phone recognition but the second [TS]

  thing is I have no idea of google voice [TS]

  is actually doing on phone recognition [TS]

  and why because google has the server [TS]

  side chops to make it so that for all I [TS]

  know it's sending the data as I speak in [TS]

  real time to [TS]

  they're incredibly responsive fast [TS]

  servers it's giving me a response in [TS]

  like 50 milliseconds or some insane low [TS]

  leg you know amount of time and it's [TS]

  bouncing it back that is you know to two [TS]

  things that one apples the decision not [TS]

  to do on phone recognition Google [TS]

  decision to do so at least on Android [TS]

  and to the uh you know Google's ability [TS]

  to make a server-side architecture that [TS]

  is just so much more responsive [TS]

  available reliable high performance than [TS]

  anything apples have been able to field [TS]

  so Cirie just takes longer to do stuff [TS]

  and feels it feels even slower than it [TS]

  really is because if you look at the [TS]

  side-by-side videos series sometimes [TS]

  gives better results than the google [TS]

  thing because Google just doesn't have [TS]

  the same infrastructure and doesn't have [TS]

  a nice appearance for all their stuff a [TS]

  lot of the Google stuff ends up doing [TS]

  google search and you end up getting the [TS]

  mobile google images search which [TS]

  sometimes it's pretty good but you know [TS]

  syrian more likely to have custom [TS]

  tailored responses and thought like that [TS]

  but the the responsiveness and how fast [TS]

  it feels is just you know is it's night [TS]

  and day it really is and that's that's [TS]

  the thing that you can watch the video [TS]

  but when you're sitting there trying to [TS]

  do this yourself and you just want an [TS]

  answer I just give me an answer don't [TS]

  and this is this is something else that [TS]

  if you had to describe the user [TS]

  experience people said well isn't serum [TS]

  more elegant well no the faster answer [TS]

  is more elegant for me like you know [TS]

  give me the answer I'm looking for right [TS]

  now the most killer one in that video I [TS]

  figure were the exact things it was like [TS]

  how many pints in a quart or something [TS]

  and you want the answer to that now and [TS]

  series like looking it up for you [TS]

  alright alright here's your a no stop [TS]

  talking seems like you're trying without [TS]

  without from spaceballs you know just [TS]

  give me the friggin ants and Google was [TS]

  like that was not only did it feel [TS]

  faster it was faster like it gives you [TS]

  up here is your answer it's not a hard [TS]

  question right Google Google's not [TS]

  dislike Watson and jeopardy trying to [TS]

  figure out this it's you know how many [TS]

  pints in a quart if we can for what you [TS]

  said they were this is the google [TS]

  leveraging his it's a google calculator [TS]

  thing this is something that people may [TS]

  not know about I'm always amazed when [TS]

  people don't know about this but for [TS]

  years and years and years now if you [TS]

  type a unit conversion question or [TS]

  anything similar into a Google search [TS]

  box it will do a search yes but it will [TS]

  also just give you the answer you know [TS]

  yeah and that's that's the coolest thing [TS]

  and especially for little things like [TS]

  you know even even us geeks forget like [TS]

  how many megabytes Meg [TS]

  bid conversion type things all of that [TS]

  any kind of convert [TS]

  any kind of convert [TS]

  Shin that you want to do from currency [TS]

  to wait to volume you name it and just [TS]

  type that in and give and it's like you [TS]

  say it gives you the search but it gives [TS]

  you the answer and it's fast right and [TS]

  and Cirie has the same ability i think [TS]

  it's using it might be using wolfram [TS]

  alpha it might even be using google for [TS]

  but the bottom line is that google [TS]

  servers answer that question and the [TS]

  answer comes up on your screen when [TS]

  serious still like and holding you and [TS]

  saying i'm checking this out for you how [TS]

  are you having a good day like I said [TS]

  don't converse with me Siri just give me [TS]

  the answer immediately and Google just [TS]

  crushes it I don't know if they went to [TS]

  their server for that that's the whole [TS]

  thing with google like that'sthat's [TS]

  Google's dream is like you shouldn't [TS]

  know whether I'm doing this all locally [TS]

  am i doing recognition locally do I have [TS]

  all the unit conversion logically [TS]

  locally or am I just talking to a server [TS]

  that's close to you that has a low ping [TS]

  and talking to one of our amazing web [TS]

  services written and god-knows-what c++ [TS]

  optimized thing that gives responses in [TS]

  under 100 milliseconds and apples like [TS]

  da da maybe make a connection to this [TS]

  web service and send the stuff and see [TS]

  it's just the kind of sort of again and [TS]

  and the kind of end end discipline [TS]

  required to make any kind of server-side [TS]

  thing that responsive uh is like a [TS]

  company-wide effort you can't tack that [TS]

  on you can't change it after the fact it [TS]

  needs to be put in through and through [TS]

  now I still think Siri is a better way [TS]

  to do voice stuff on your phone because [TS]

  from what I've seen people who do you [TS]

  see really use it for things that Google [TS]

  boys can't do like you know setting [TS]

  timers and you know interacting with the [TS]

  phone and actually modifying the [TS]

  plumbing of iOS and eventually maybe you [TS]

  know cooking up the application and [TS]

  stuff where is the google thing is [TS]

  mostly just a fancy way to use Google's [TS]

  existing web services and searches but [TS]

  really I don't think we should have to [TS]

  choose between those two this is an [TS]

  example of Google once again flexing its [TS]

  muscles and showing its strength and [TS]

  once again making me feel bad about the [TS]

  fact that Apple feels like it needs to [TS]

  do everything and it's you know just not [TS]

  good at that server side part and on [TS]

  this end it's also getting creamed in [TS]

  the client-side experience for both [TS]

  technical and cultural reasons yeah so [TS]

  like Gruber said how fast should to beat [TS]

  this fast or it should feel this fast or [TS]

  it should be this good you know it's [TS]

  just better [TS]

  chopped apple and do you think that [TS]

  they'll be changing something in [TS]

  response to this do you think that they [TS]

  will ever do and again listen I likes it [TS]

  when I when I'm saying something to this [TS]

  google search and it just shows the [TS]

  words that little thing that it hears [TS]

  you and it's making sense of what you're [TS]

  saying right now and it's really [TS]

  accurate I doubt we'll ever see that in [TS]

  serie because apples whole thing and if [TS]

  you think about these commercials that [TS]

  they've done with Siri Siri is supposed [TS]

  to be like your friend it's supposed to [TS]

  be like a little person it's the little [TS]

  secretary inside your phone or whatever [TS]

  it's not supposed to be the robotic and [TS]

  Google search is very robotic it looks [TS]

  like there is I am a computer I hear [TS]

  what you say here are the words to prove [TS]

  it you know instead serious like I'm [TS]

  listening to you hmm here's what you're [TS]

  looking for it it would you be content [TS]

  John if Syria just got really accurate [TS]

  and really fast and never gave you this [TS]

  kind of feedback like I said when I [TS]

  first talked about Siri serious trying [TS]

  to provide the illusion of a system [TS]

  that's better than anything we can [TS]

  actually make now commercials make it [TS]

  seem like you know like like artificial [TS]

  intelligence or like something close to [TS]

  it or like you're talking to another [TS]

  human being whereas the Google [TS]

  implementation is more honest it more [TS]

  correctly reflects the actual [TS]

  limitations of the thing in real time [TS]

  and I don't know this happens for non [TS]

  tech savvy people maybe it does maybe [TS]

  this non tech savvy people just bail on [TS]

  Cirie but like there's that in [TS]

  comfortable period of time after you use [TS]

  Siri especially if you're like trying to [TS]

  demonstrate it to somebody where you're [TS]

  like I wonder if it understood anything [TS]

  that I said or if it's gonna show me egg [TS]

  freckles now right like that that time [TS]

  period when you're waiting you're just [TS]

  like you all you want to see is like [TS]

  Siri what do you think I said and the [TS]

  you know three milliseconds between the [TS]

  time you finish saying what you're going [TS]

  to say and the time what it thinks you [TS]

  said appears on the screen and like the [TS]

  worst is like when when what thinks you [TS]

  said appears on the screen and its egg [TS]

  freckles me like oh god and just still [TS]

  goes through like looking at beg [TS]

  freckles for you here you go you're like [TS]

  oh no you know as soon as you see what [TS]

  it thinks you said that it's wrong right [TS]

  and yet you have to endure the poor [TS]

  little spinny thing going off and doing [TS]

  some web service request to give you [TS]

  some bogus answers or offered to do a [TS]

  Google search or something whereas with [TS]

  the real-time feedback that [TS]

  time where you're wondering with your [TS]

  fingers crossed come on Siri understand [TS]

  what the hell i said is eliminated [TS]

  because you see it in real time as [TS]

  you're looking at it now again with [TS]

  voice stuff like part of the whole idea [TS]

  series you're not staring at your screen [TS]

  like if you could stare at your screen [TS]

  why would you be using voice control [TS]

  it's like so you can pick up the phone [TS]

  and say you know remind me to call sue [TS]

  tomorrow and put it down without looking [TS]

  at it right again that's what the [TS]

  promise of series to do that and it does [TS]

  do that pretty well but for just general [TS]

  voice control when you can look at the [TS]

  phone Google's and validation is you [TS]

  know it's just like Johnny I've it's [TS]

  more true to to what it is then the [TS]

  Serie 1 series is aspirational with all [TS]

  that entails when it falls down you're [TS]

  like I thought this would be a magic [TS]

  elephant my computer and it's not and [TS]

  I'm sad whereas Google is more [TS]

  straightforward like it is what it is [TS]

  you can see what it's doing it works it [TS]

  doesn't yeah it has less of a potential [TS]

  to make people disappointed that it's [TS]

  not magical like in the commercial [TS]

  because if they did a commercial from [TS]

  google voice and for all I know they are [TS]

  doing it because I don't see commercials [TS]

  anymore but if they did the commercial [TS]

  they showed someone talking into it they [TS]

  wouldn't have to put that little [TS]

  disclaimer that says like sequences [TS]

  shorten or whatever maybe they would [TS]

  have did a long Google query but I think [TS]

  they could get away with doing an actual [TS]

  real time like no we're not making this [TS]

  up no sequence is shortened this is how [TS]

  fast it actually is like try it for [TS]

  yourself people out there listening even [TS]

  on a cruddy iOS device it is shockingly [TS]

  responsive you wouldn't have thought [TS]

  that your phone or thing was able to do [TS]

  this like it's more response this is [TS]

  what said to me it's more responsive [TS]

  than Dragon Dictate 3 running on my like [TS]

  Mac Pro with 16 gigs of RAM you know [TS]

  like I have tremendous computing [TS]

  horsepower and like a fiber optic [TS]

  connection to the internet and when I do [TS]

  real time talking and Dragon Dictate [TS]

  yeah it comes out but there's more of a [TS]

  lag I mean again it was Dragon Dictate [TS]

  is doing much more thinking than this [TS]

  thing is and it's recognition is way [TS]

  better than anything out of foam will [TS]

  ever be but it does take longer for the [TS]

  first few words you know when I speak a [TS]

  sentence to come out often i speak the [TS]

  entire sentence and nothing appears on [TS]

  my screen until I get to the period and [TS]

  the whole sentence appears right because [TS]

  it's really thinking very hard about [TS]

  what the heck OS 10 means and how you [TS]

  type that out and into Dragon Dictate [TS]

  credit it gets that stuff right like [TS]

  that's why costs on whatever dollars and [TS]

  I trained it in all my old I [TS]

  OS 10 reviews and so now when I speak a [TS]

  crazy sentence full of jargon that gets [TS]

  a right capitalization and all but [TS]

  talking into my little phone thing the [TS]

  words appear faster it's a good job [TS]

  Google bad job APPL now I let people [TS]

  know we have it we have it on our [TS]

  iphones so yeah i guess the only thing [TS]

  you know if I bet that there's tons of [TS]

  people out there who say well I really I [TS]

  like this better than Cirie I wish I [TS]

  could map this to double tap in them you [TS]

  know the home button or whatever you're [TS]

  holding it holding down the home button [TS]

  i think i feel like people would would [TS]

  love to have the ability to map it to [TS]

  that Buchan yeah it's an open ecosystem [TS]

  but not that open not that open and this [TS]

  is like people gave me flack on the past [TS]

  shot when I was listing the things that [TS]

  could have contributed to Scott [TS]

  forestalls downfall the things that we [TS]

  can see like when he was the guy in [TS]

  charge you know the maps thing happened [TS]

  and I also listed Siri among like the [TS]

  demerits like Siri happened on his watch [TS]

  and it was you know his thing that he [TS]

  endorsed and people like what are you [TS]

  talking about maps fine everyone knows [TS]

  there were some problems with map date [TS]

  and stuff like that but Siri like that [TS]

  wasn't that good and I listed it for a [TS]

  couple reasons first I listed it because [TS]

  it was released its beta and that's not [TS]

  an apple if thing to do they ship it [TS]

  when it's ready so this is a change from [TS]

  the apple way and it's a change in terms [TS]

  of like you know Apple shipping [TS]

  everything about it sweaty ready is what [TS]

  gives it the reputation of like when [TS]

  Apple comes out with that I know it's [TS]

  gonna be good it's not like when Google [TS]

  comes out with you like yeah it's [TS]

  probably just the bay then I might just [TS]

  go away right so it put a dent in that [TS]

  image that Apple have been so careful to [TS]

  maintain that's not just an image it's [TS]

  like an actuality like uh you you build [TS]

  up trust in the consumer that when you [TS]

  ship something that's gonna do what you [TS]

  say it does right and having to put the [TS]

  beta labels like this one not so much [TS]

  like it might kind of do what we say it [TS]

  will do whatever but then you also back [TS]

  with a giant ad campaign that doesn't [TS]

  really emphasize the beta aspect of it [TS]

  like I don't think Siri was a failure or [TS]

  bad or a bad idea or anything like that [TS]

  I think it's probably a net positive but [TS]

  it had more severe downsides than a [TS]

  typical apple launched right like it [TS]

  wasn't just like benign or neutral like [TS]

  it had parts of it that that caused [TS]

  backlash or the didn't work is described [TS]

  or that you know that when the servers [TS]

  weren't working [TS]

  for those people who first got their [TS]

  phones the early adopters they did not [TS]

  have a good experience with Siri because [TS]

  the servers were constantly slammed [TS]

  because everyone was taking out the [TS]

  phones and trying to talk to it uh and [TS]

  you know and Game Center the same thing [TS]

  not this is forestalls problem but uh [TS]

  you know I let her press slamming game [TS]

  center gives Game Center a bad rep right [TS]

  and what could have been like oh I I [TS]

  just got this great game like it could [TS]

  have been a halo effect finally a game [TS]

  becomes popular in our little nerd [TS]

  circle that uses Game Center and so we [TS]

  all think the game center is great [TS]

  because we love the game that would have [TS]

  been a halo effect we got the opposite [TS]

  we like the game but Game Center is [TS]

  falling down there for now games that [TS]

  has a bad rap in all our minds right [TS]

  because it didn't it didn't live up to [TS]

  the task well Siri and voice recognition [TS]

  an apple there's a little bit of that [TS]

  you know bad reputation going on there [TS]

  where I'd be you know late night talk [TS]

  show host doing jokes about Cirie and [TS]

  some people just giving up on it except [TS]

  for very for a very narrow band of tasks [TS]

  like setting timers or reminders or [TS]

  stuff like that and how much improvement [TS]

  of Siri can reverse that how much [TS]

  improvement of Game Center can make us [TS]

  forget about that like even Twitter to [TS]

  this day twitter has been pretty stable [TS]

  and up and it stayed up during election [TS]

  and stuff like that and yeah the three [TS]

  hundred thousand tweets more than three [TS]

  hundred thousand tweets a minute then a [TS]

  no fail whale right and but yet we all [TS]

  still remember the fail of course like [TS]

  like that reputation of Twitter as that [TS]

  service that couldn't stay up is still [TS]

  in all our minds despite the fact that [TS]

  it's been so good for so long right that [TS]

  they've solved that problem it's very [TS]

  difficult to come back from that so [TS]

  that's why I listed Siri in the list of [TS]

  possible you know demerits on forestalls [TS]

  resume alright I think will be the final [TS]

  topic for today is a talk about an [TS]

  article written by contro but a cage ah [TS]

  contra with a que how to see a video [TS]

  game I like contra the two guys running [TS]

  around shooting what country were they [TS]

  in the iran-contra scandal uh we know a [TS]

  country Iran part over to somewhere were [TS]

  the contrast anyone chatroom Nicaragua [TS]

  give him a second mailchimp calm easy [TS]

  email newsletters MailChimp helps you [TS]

  design email newsletters you can share [TS]

  them on social networks you integrate [TS]

  with services tons and tons of services [TS]

  you can track the results so that when [TS]

  you send out a campaign you say oh these [TS]

  people have received it [TS]

  this many people have received it this [TS]

  is the country that there it's very cool [TS]

  stuff you can customize your signup form [TS]

  to match the brand they already have so [TS]

  that it integrates perfectly with your [TS]

  website when you go to 5 by 5 that TV / [TS]

  newsletter for example it's going to [TS]

  look like the rest of the site it's not [TS]

  like some weird what if you just want to [TS]

  use their sign up form on their site you [TS]

  don't to host a thing do it fine put an [TS]

  iframe whatever it's your choice can [TS]

  even integrate all this stuff in your [TS]

  Facebook page on a Twitter you can [TS]

  collect signups from an ipad or laptop [TS]

  when you're at a tradeshow can even [TS]

  integrate it into your iOS app or your [TS]

  Android have like we do for the five by [TS]

  five app when you sign up for the [TS]

  newsletter right there that's using [TS]

  their code they give you that code you [TS]

  just embed it in your app it's genius [TS]

  there's never been a better time to try [TS]

  them out you can send twelve thousand [TS]

  emails a month to two thousand scribe [TS]

  subscribers for free forever it's really [TS]

  great they've got tons and tons of [TS]

  really cool resources books that they've [TS]

  put out that are free great tools that [TS]

  will help you see exactly what the email [TS]

  that you're composing is going to look [TS]

  like and pretty much every single email [TS]

  reader that is known to mankind [TS]

  humankind you can learn more by going to [TS]

  MailChimp calm / 5 by 5 even just going [TS]

  to that URL will show your solidarity [TS]

  your Syracuse Ian solidarity malcham com [TS]

  / 5 by 5 please go check them out done [TS]

  tell group says it says it was Nicaragua [TS]

  cross then Scott Newcombe and EU km [TS]

  shames himself in front of the entire [TS]

  world by incorrectly typing in the [TS]

  Contra code the konami code they don't [TS]

  know if anyone didn't when the chatroom [TS]

  catch it and and shame him scott duke [TS]

  nukem yeah my problem with it with the [TS]

  konami code is that the poland storm [TS]

  song about Frogger tends to intercept it [TS]

  in my mind and I'm avid do you know that [TS]

  one no I don't know that one find that [TS]

  for the show notes and throw it in there [TS]

  and move all the other things in there [TS]

  it's not call is it called the Frogger [TS]

  storm the Frogger song I bet if you just [TS]

  do Paul and storm Frogger song you will [TS]

  find it and we should put that in the [TS]

  show notes don't let me forget that [TS]

  alright but about this article written [TS]

  by contrib with a que who is mysterious [TS]

  his description is [TS]

  a veteran design and management surgeon [TS]

  parentally perennially in search of [TS]

  complex problems to operate on this is [TS]

  one of those few anonymous people on the [TS]

  web who I don't actually know who they [TS]

  are ah but anyway he nobody no nobody [TS]

  knows oh sure I'm sure everybody knows [TS]

  no nobody knows no people no oh people [TS]

  know he doesn't post frequently but he [TS]

  when he does posts easier to got [TS]

  something to say what he but the dials [TS]

  article is as Apple's design problems [TS]

  aren't skeuomorphic talked last time [TS]

  about Forrestal and the skeuomorphic [TS]

  design and not just gear morphism but [TS]

  also this sort of the graphical [TS]

  treatment of elements being more heavy [TS]

  weight than they used to be and the [TS]

  possibility that since you know [TS]

  reportedly Steve Jobs was heavily into [TS]

  that kind of design and so was Forrestal [TS]

  and jobs has gone and then Forrestal was [TS]

  the one in charge of iOS it seems like [TS]

  he was heavily in favor of it too most [TS]

  of the people out in the tech world [TS]

  don't like it as much and wish there was [TS]

  less of it and wish that it would go [TS]

  away and so there was lots of [TS]

  skeuomorphism flat blowback of saying [TS]

  finally a forcible begun and in theory [TS]

  but all this bad stuff we don't like [TS]

  will go away and Johnny Apple save us [TS]

  all and conscious article is like that [TS]

  what was wrong what's wrong with apples [TS]

  he's mostly fucking outstanding iOS here [TS]

  but you know in general what's wrong [TS]

  with apples software and user interface [TS]

  is not there all skeuomorphic the [TS]

  problems are deeper than that so he [TS]

  lists a couple of things here like these [TS]

  may seem like small things but I'm gonna [TS]

  focus on one of them in a bit but he [TS]

  lists well here's a line of focus on it [TS]

  on the Notification Center yeah there [TS]

  are lots of jailbreak hacks that make it [TS]

  so when you swipe down with your thumb a [TS]

  notification center you don't just see [TS]

  you notifications you also see a small [TS]

  set of other items that you want quick [TS]

  access to and so Congress has six items [TS]

  that drain mobile battery devices GPS [TS]

  Wi-Fi cell radio bluetooth and screen [TS]

  brightness still require laborious [TS]

  multiple clicks in multiple places not [TS]

  immediately obvious to non 70s just turn [TS]

  on and off without any simple thematic [TS]

  or geofence grouping right so anyone who [TS]

  has a mobile [TS]

  iOS device and uses it when they [TS]

  traveller just just that you know it's [TS]

  like I want to turn GPS off because I [TS]

  don't need it now I want to turn [TS]

  cellular data off because I don't need [TS]

  it now we're in turn bluetooth codes [TS]

  never used i went from the screen [TS]

  brightness up screen brightness down and [TS]

  doing all those things with a non [TS]

  jailbreak iphone requires going to the [TS]

  Settings app and filling around with [TS]

  stuff and it's you know you're like boy [TS]

  if you know it's one of the reasons that [TS]

  people jailbreak like I know this [TS]

  jailbreak stuff where I just swiped my [TS]

  thumb down from the top of the screen [TS]

  and I get direct access turning [TS]

  bluetooth on and off the flip side of [TS]

  that is like people saying how often do [TS]

  you really turn bluetooth on and off why [TS]

  are you always turning Wi-Fi on/off we [TS]

  just leave everything on the OS will [TS]

  manage the battery for you don't have to [TS]

  do it or whatever but in practice [TS]

  jailbreakers and android are kind of [TS]

  like the things i talked about before [TS]

  that you know the paths in the grass [TS]

  like if you don't if you don't constrain [TS]

  people if you give people a green field [TS]

  to do whatever they want like jailbreak [TS]

  people are like Android people if [TS]

  something you know trends become clear [TS]

  paths start getting worn into the grass [TS]

  from everybody going and everyone [TS]

  wanting to have a thing to turn [TS]

  bluetooth on and off and her Wi-Fi off [TS]

  and maybe you know that maybe they're [TS]

  not right maybe they shouldn't be doing [TS]

  that may be the solution is to have the [TS]

  OS manager better but they're clearly [TS]

  voting with their feet that this is [TS]

  something that they want and that's not [TS]

  gonna do with skeuomorphism a contour [TS]

  less iCloud desktop integration and file [TS]

  sharing among Apple devices we all know [TS]

  how to pain that is like things get into [TS]

  iCloud and you edit a text document with [TS]

  text edit but it's not visible on your [TS]

  phone at all because there's no doc [TS]

  there's no application from apple or [TS]

  otherwise that reads the iCloud sandbox [TS]

  for text edit and how do you share among [TS]

  applications to have multiple [TS]

  applications working on the same [TS]

  document he says the iwork suite is [TS]

  begging to be updated preview text at in [TS]

  contacts desperately need of you I [TS]

  overhauls you know says that he says [TS]

  core functionalities like dictionary and [TS]

  iOS keyboard layout and auto correction [TS]

  not best-of-breed I don't I don't know [TS]

  because I don't spend enough time of [TS]

  other things but apparently those things [TS]

  are better on other platforms I'll take [TS]

  his word for it there the iOS [TS]

  organization of just using folders like [TS]

  we're lucky we even get folders versus [TS]

  just a grid of icons then okay now you [TS]

  can get a grid of icons nested with a [TS]

  sub grid of icons navigating among apps [TS]

  not as not as a fancy or as interesting [TS]

  as it was on like things like webos or [TS]

  whatever now [TS]

  this may sound like just an individual [TS]

  list of one person's peeves about like [TS]

  how iOS isn't the same as Android and [TS]

  you may be thinking I like all of [TS]

  apple's decisions here all these things [TS]

  that that people want are actually bad [TS]

  things and Apple is correct to hold the [TS]

  line on them I'll have more on that in a [TS]

  bit but first I want to get back to the [TS]

  notion from last show about Forrestal is [TS]

  that like as in all things we don't know [TS]

  how many of the things from this list or [TS]

  from any of the lists are a you know [TS]

  that forest all is to blame for just [TS]

  because he's the guy who got forced out [TS]

  doesn't mean that everything you don't [TS]

  like was his doing and now that he's [TS]

  gone it will change and I actually got [TS]

  right before the show one completely [TS]

  anonymous tidbit from somebody who heard [TS]

  this directly from forestalls mouth so [TS]

  it's I guess this is what secondhand [TS]

  information well that if you really [TS]

  trust the person and Mario no i don't i [TS]

  don't know this is the anonymous tipster [TS]

  i don't know them and they even if there [TS]

  are a hundred percent accurate which i [TS]

  think they are cuz like there's no [TS]

  upside to blend with us they're just [TS]

  conveying something that forced all said [TS]

  to them okay and here's directly [TS]

  directly to them yes direct all right [TS]

  right so it's at second hand write like [TS]

  a second where we are saying it died [TS]

  hands go anyway take it all set it to [TS]

  this person's ears this person said it [TS]

  to me and here it is uh he says that [TS]

  Steve Jobs and Johnny I've didn't want a [TS]

  home button on the iPhone and forest all [TS]

  had to fight them for months before they [TS]

  finally decided to have a home button [TS]

  alright and this source says assuming [TS]

  this is true and he says it certainly [TS]

  rings true knowing what we know about [TS]

  dives and jobs like doesn't that sound [TS]

  like something that I haves and jobs [TS]

  want no no buttons at all just the [TS]

  screen it's pure it's just the screen [TS]

  like that totally sounds like something [TS]

  that fits in with a personality but [TS]

  anyway this is assuming that Forrestal [TS]

  story is true an iphone created at a [TS]

  time with I've in charge might not have [TS]

  been the device it might have been a [TS]

  device without a home button on it right [TS]

  now you know it I think we all agree at [TS]

  this point that having that one button [TS]

  like it's been touted by many people [TS]

  like contemplate the design of iOS and [TS]

  like no you don't understand like it's [TS]

  not you know when they were rumors of [TS]

  getting rid of the home [TS]

  like you don't understand the home [TS]

  button is genius having the one button [TS]

  is a genius because almost everything [TS]

  has to be on the screen but there has to [TS]

  be an on-screen escape hatch for like I [TS]

  don't know what's going on just forget [TS]

  about this stuff and rescue me and [TS]

  that's the physical home button and [TS]

  despite the fact like it's not [TS]

  mechanically hooked up to anything it's [TS]

  a software control button if your think [TS]

  freezes the home button does nothing [TS]

  anyway or whatever it's reassuring to be [TS]

  able to have a physical button it could [TS]

  be that ives and jobs at the stories [TS]

  accurate we're right and an iphone [TS]

  without the home button would work [TS]

  better but all of us are looking at what [TS]

  we do have and it's very difficult for [TS]

  anyone who's an iOS aficionado not to [TS]

  come down the side of saying you know [TS]

  that home button was one of the best [TS]

  decisions they ever made so I don't know [TS]

  how listeners feel about this I think [TS]

  the home button was a good idea but [TS]

  there is some aspect of it of like not [TS]

  being able to envision how it work [TS]

  without the home button but you know [TS]

  this story is accurate here's yet [TS]

  another example where forestall who none [TS]

  of us probably know personally you know [TS]

  is doing something that most people [TS]

  would agree was a good thing Frankie [TS]

  that was down at least one good thing in [TS]

  his tenure now oh yeah other thing is [TS]

  that's the meta point is we don't know [TS]

  which things forestall like you know if [TS]

  you just want to do all the bad things [TS]

  he's responsible for those well you [TS]

  don't know how you don't know what he [TS]

  did at all we none of us know he might [TS]

  have done all hundred percent good [TS]

  things or all hundred percent bad things [TS]

  or a 50-50 mix we don't know we just [TS]

  know he was in charge and so like [TS]

  regardless of whether he's responsible [TS]

  for let me get some responsibility like [TS]

  the buck stops here if you don't like [TS]

  iOS 6 and you want to blame one person [TS]

  you could blame the CEO of Apple and you [TS]

  can blame Forrestal he was in charge [TS]

  right so that that is legitimate but on [TS]

  an individual basis you don't know so [TS]

  here's yet another example of a story in [TS]

  the left one from last week was choosing [TS]

  OS 10 instead of like Linux or something [TS]

  for their phone OS and I think that one [TS]

  I can much more heavily defend that as [TS]

  being the right move in retrospect right [TS]

  uh the home button I can go either way [TS]

  on but I mostly of the opinion that that [TS]

  was a good call and so if he was four [TS]

  Souls behind that that's another example [TS]

  for all the people out there who think [TS]

  the Forrestal just did terrible things [TS]

  like like I said in the last show [TS]

  history is written by the winners and [TS]

  that means that all the stories you see [TS]

  out of Apple and stuff about what a tear [TS]

  all these terrible things that for us [TS]

  all did well of course it's the entirety [TS]

  of the company that fired him versus him [TS]

  who is basically probably being quiet [TS]

  and Rob [TS]

  has to be quiet so who knows when we'll [TS]

  know the real story but I would say to [TS]

  everybody regardless of personality [TS]

  issues and all this stuff like that who [TS]

  knows don't be so quick to decide that [TS]

  forest all responsible for all this this [TS]

  bad stuff alright so you know all that [TS]

  is to say we don't know that things will [TS]

  get any better you know all the things [TS]

  that that you know contra is talking [TS]

  about here not just give you a morphism [TS]

  but all the things that he's complaining [TS]

  about we don't know that any of those [TS]

  things will be better now the forest all [TS]

  is gone one thing I think we can be [TS]

  confident about is that things will be [TS]

  different because different people are [TS]

  in charge like it would be shocking to [TS]

  me if with this huge reshuffle of like [TS]

  oh now Federer he's in charge of iOS iOS [TS]

  10 and now I was instead of in charge of [TS]

  user interface the things didn't change [TS]

  like we don't know what little bitter [TS]

  for worse but we I do think they're [TS]

  gonna change like how could they not [TS]

  change right unless there was some other [TS]

  you know if Steve Jobs was still in [TS]

  charge I can imagine them not change [TS]

  because he sort of exerted his taste on [TS]

  the entire company but Tim Cook doesn't [TS]

  seem to do that so I would think with [TS]

  this executive reshuffling things are [TS]

  going to change now getting back to the [TS]

  the you know easy way to turn on and off [TS]

  Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and cell data and [TS]

  stuff like that uh if I had to pick one [TS]

  word to describe apples handling of the [TS]

  evolution of iOS would probably be [TS]

  intransigence like they have shown over [TS]

  the years of especially the later years [TS]

  a general unwillingness to to bend to [TS]

  these to the will of things that [TS]

  everyone thinks they're going to have [TS]

  you got to have flash on this thing [TS]

  apple says no actually we don't have to [TS]

  have flash and no matter how much you [TS]

  complain over how many revisions then [TS]

  right how many news stories come out and [TS]

  say the iphones great except if only it [TS]

  ran flash we're just not going to do it [TS]

  right whether it was forestall or not [TS]

  behind that the dynamic has been that [TS]

  users and developers like clamor for [TS]

  something an apple mostly just says no [TS]

  and sticks to his guns and holds firm so [TS]

  the dynamic in this relationship is [TS]

  Apple is the stern adult that knows best [TS]

  and we are out there going and you know [TS]

  who we as we is just like consumers tech [TS]

  pundits gadget reviewers saying Apple [TS]

  you got to do this Apple you add to that [TS]

  happy good an apple just says calm down [TS]

  we know what we're doing we're not going [TS]

  to do that [TS]

  the app store policies are another [TS]

  example where everyone was screaming [TS]

  about what the app store policy should [TS]

  be and how they're going to kill [TS]

  everything or whatever and what you get [TS]

  from Apple has been we're just we're [TS]

  staying the course here minor [TS]

  adjustments true some minor backpedaling [TS]

  but for the most part it's been you know [TS]

  we know best we're gonna stick with or [TS]

  doing same thing with the UI simplicity [TS]

  like I know you want all these fancy [TS]

  features I know you want to have gadgets [TS]

  on your home screen and all these sort [TS]

  of things that Android has or whatever [TS]

  we're just saying a grid of icons is the [TS]

  way to do and trust us long term this is [TS]

  the right thing to do and again this [TS]

  this intransigence is frequently cited [TS]

  by Apple fans as boy is an apple great [TS]

  see how they are able to hold strong in [TS]

  the face of demands for features that [TS]

  you might think you want but if you keep [TS]

  going that direction eventually you'll [TS]

  end up with a big complicated phone no [TS]

  one likes and that you know they're [TS]

  doing the right thing right ah you know [TS]

  and another example of this [TS]

  intransigence is the spread of fanciful [TS]

  interfaces and skeuomorphic interfaces [TS]

  and things with like fake materials and [TS]

  you know just both of those aspects both [TS]

  in terms of actual skeuomorphism where [TS]

  you're trying to have a knob on the [TS]

  computer screen because people know what [TS]

  knobs are but you don't actually need [TS]

  knobs anymore and a slider way better [TS]

  and just in terms of it works just like [TS]

  a regular application it's got buttons [TS]

  and scroll the region's only the buttons [TS]

  look like they're made out of leather [TS]

  for no reason like a very heavy weight [TS]

  visual that thing is another example of [TS]

  something when Apple started doing it we [TS]

  all went what are you doing Apple this [TS]

  is big mess like I don't like it it's [TS]

  ugly doesn't make sense I learned a new [TS]

  world quote skeuomorphism and that [TS]

  proves that you're bad and you know like [TS]

  we all just like that's enough yet [TS]

  another example of a place we think [TS]

  Apple is going wrong uh in this case I [TS]

  think there is more weight behind it [TS]

  because it's not just that we want what [TS]

  we want i want my gadgets i want [TS]

  something fancier you know I think [TS]

  folders exist at all because of people [TS]

  complaining about things and even that [TS]

  is pretty simple you know I want my easy [TS]

  buddy turn bluetooth on and off they're [TS]

  holding a line on those and those are [TS]

  more easily supportable than the case [TS]

  where there they you know usually make [TS]

  these fanciful defensible whimsical and [TS]

  sometimes schemer interfaces because [TS]

  those tend to those interfaces tend to [TS]

  happen at the you know to the detriment [TS]

  of functionality and usability like it's [TS]

  not like you know they're holding fast [TS]

  and they haven't been proven right so a [TS]

  great example this is the podcast [TS]

  the is just called podcast seven [TS]

  contests yeah yeah with a purple icon [TS]

  yep beautiful eve you have purple I yeah [TS]

  and it's got like this is about blue [TS]

  right the reel-to-reel tape thing in [TS]

  there which is not really skeuomorphic [TS]

  because it's really just you know I [TS]

  candy you don't really manipulate it [TS]

  with your fingers and who knows maybe [TS]

  you can but like it's you know it's it's [TS]

  a perfect example this type of design [TS]

  and and it appen typical apple fashion [TS]

  they're like you know we like podcast [TS]

  we're sticking with it like this is what [TS]

  we know that's like the culmination of [TS]

  everything they've done leather address [TS]

  book yep we love that we're sticking [TS]

  with it everything looks like tomato [TS]

  plastic and stuff like that up we love [TS]

  that too we're doing that it's got to [TS]

  have a wood title bar in OS 10 it's you [TS]

  know we're sticking it like they have [TS]

  not in fact they've doubled down like [TS]

  from line to mountain lion that's [TS]

  justice just spread even farther and [TS]

  farther right and so again they're just [TS]

  sticking to their guns and then podcasts [TS]

  app was like look see this is just you [TS]

  know what how could it have been a [TS]

  different when podcast come out what [TS]

  were you picturing your head at this [TS]

  point we're like it's gonna be like some [TS]

  disembodied microphone or a reel-to-reel [TS]

  bag of course it has to be of course [TS]

  right and the proof is in the pudding go [TS]

  look at the reviews on the podcast app [TS]

  on the App Store it's got two stars this [TS]

  is a written by a you know the biggest [TS]

  company in the world with supposedly the [TS]

  most talented engineers and it just gets [TS]

  it's just gets slammed it gets trashed [TS]

  right it's gotta out of 15,000 total [TS]

  ratings about 10,000 of them are one [TS]

  star like people don't like it they [TS]

  don't it doesn't work well it doesn't [TS]

  look good it's hard to use it you know [TS]

  it has so many bad things but every end [TS]

  is not just because it looks like a tape [TS]

  recorder because 10,000 people out of [TS]

  15,000 would not give it one star for [TS]

  looking like a tape recorder if anything [TS]

  if this thing worked great and was fun [TS]

  to use and you know how it was good in [TS]

  all aspects nobody cares that it's [TS]

  skeuomorphic or anything like that if [TS]

  it's a fun usable good bug free [TS]

  application fine but as you know contra [TS]

  points out in an article they're not [TS]

  just falling down in some esoteric kind [TS]

  of philosophical way that we disagree [TS]

  with they're just making bad apps it's a [TS]

  bad application it's not good people [TS]

  don't like it you know people are [TS]

  deleting it off their phone because it's [TS]

  like downloading podcast in the [TS]

  background and burning through their [TS]

  cellular day that things like i think i [TS]

  deleted off one of my devices so far I'm [TS]

  deleted all [TS]

  but I don't use it that that's [TS]

  definitely true and it's not just like [TS]

  the first version with bad they fixed it [TS]

  if you look at the current version the [TS]

  rating is still two stars and out of the [TS]

  current version is 710 ratings and 480 [TS]

  of those are one star uh so this is the [TS]

  case where you know this dynamic between [TS]

  us complaining and Apple not doing [TS]

  anything is taking the turn for the [TS]

  worst because for the first time Apple [TS]

  is like unquestionably not in the right [TS]

  like it's not a matter of opinion [TS]

  they're making bad software software [TS]

  that people don't like software that [TS]

  doesn't work right and you know it's not [TS]

  because it looks like a tapir order [TS]

  recorded just you know they're just [TS]

  doing the wrong thing you have to think [TS]

  that the development time spent on [TS]

  podcasts some portion of it had to be [TS]

  spent making that stupid tape recorder [TS]

  stuff work and that's time that could [TS]

  have been spent making an actual good [TS]

  application or some portion of the [TS]

  design process was short-circuited by [TS]

  someone deciding oh I know let's make it [TS]

  a real tree tape recorder and then out [TS]

  the window go tons and tons of possible [TS]

  interfaces that would have been more [TS]

  friendlier easier to use my talk I had a [TS]

  phone call with the developer shortly [TS]

  after came out and I asked him I asked [TS]

  him about some of this and and the way [TS]

  that the way that it was described to me [TS]

  was that the there was one person who [TS]

  was in charge of doing the user [TS]

  interface design stuff and there was [TS]

  another person who was in charge of [TS]

  writing the code and of course they [TS]

  worked as a team they collaborated I I [TS]

  don't know how much but my impression my [TS]

  strong impression was the two of them [TS]

  created the app and they they worked [TS]

  hard on it they had a vision for it they [TS]

  did it they were supported and their [TS]

  choices were supported but the distinct [TS]

  impression I got was not from on you [TS]

  know from on high saying this is how [TS]

  this app is going to work it was more [TS]

  like hey we're gonna we're gonna build a [TS]

  cool app and they built it and they they [TS]

  got it out there and my understanding [TS]

  again I could be wrong was that this was [TS]

  like a two-person team who built this [TS]

  app together I don't think it's a [TS]

  top-down thing where they're forcing you [TS]

  know their developers to make it like [TS]

  this it's it's the opposite it's that [TS]

  Apple had created an environment where [TS]

  the type of applications they give a [TS]

  thumbs up to our applications like this [TS]

  like for example can you imagine [TS]

  developers either working for apple or [TS]

  not making an application that looks and [TS]

  behaves like this like it you know in [TS]

  classic mac OS like you know if you were [TS]

  inside Apple and it was your job to make [TS]

  I can't think of a classic Mac [TS]

  application it's your job to make like [TS]

  the keychain a manager keychain existed [TS]

  a classic Frank OS there was an [TS]

  application where you messed with it and [TS]

  they decided to make it look like [TS]

  something like with like a padlock [TS]

  animation a key thing and like a [TS]

  metaphor that uses you know physical [TS]

  keys stuff like that if you went to your [TS]

  superiors as a two-person development [TS]

  teams that we're thinking of making this [TS]

  they'd be like what no use a scrolling [TS]

  table view with sortable columns like [TS]

  that's not how you make a mac [TS]

  application let alone like one [TS]

  officially from Apple right it's not a [TS]

  game right this is the keychain [TS]

  application right now that a [TS]

  counterexample there from the classic [TS]

  mac OS days is the CD player remember [TS]

  that Apple CD player yes yeah first [TS]

  hints of like those guys said we want to [TS]

  make it look kind of like an 80s Sony [TS]

  plastic thing can we do that like a CD [TS]

  player it's kind of ok but see player [TS]

  also you know kind of worked ok that's [TS]

  like a balance between those things as [TS]

  you get more fanciful getting into games [TS]

  where the UI can look like anything [TS]

  there's a bounce so key change shouldn't [TS]

  look like that CD player can look it's [TS]

  mostly like a regular you I but it looks [TS]

  a little bit different but it certainly [TS]

  was you know podcast is way on the other [TS]

  side of it and as it turns out unlike [TS]

  something like garageband podcast [TS]

  application has utilitarian functions [TS]

  that need to be fulfilled and this one [TS]

  is over the line and it's not the [TS]

  people's fault for proposing and wine to [TS]

  do that it's apple's fault for for [TS]

  creating an environment where this type [TS]

  of application is given a thumbs up like [TS]

  that it fits perfectly and it's not an [TS]

  aberration it's not like those are the [TS]

  crazy guys made the apple CD music [TS]

  player thing Apple CD audio play or [TS]

  whatever it's called they're not an [TS]

  aberration they are in the mainstream [TS]

  this is how Apple does development now [TS]

  and that's what we're talking about not [TS]

  not so much to pick on these particular [TS]

  people doing this one application but [TS]

  this is how Apple has decided this is [TS]

  what software development is for iOS in [TS]

  the Mac you make these crazy high [TS]

  concept very art heavy things uh and if [TS]

  it looks awesome in it and it demos well [TS]

  on a stage and the graphics of these [TS]

  things are great you can't complain that [TS]

  that's not a good looking real the real [TS]

  thing was just like that's not what [TS]

  what's important about an application [TS]

  you know that's that's what countries [TS]

  get [TS]

  his article here he has this strangely [TS]

  worded section at the bottom I don't [TS]

  know if this passive voice or just [TS]

  flipping around of object and subjective [TS]

  anyway says a serious mistake would be [TS]

  to hide many of these behavioral [TS]

  functional expert experiential software [TS]

  problems under a more attractive [TS]

  aesthetically unifying display layer so [TS]

  this is like what would Johnny I'd do to [TS]

  fix everything right and she says such [TS]

  as a more modern less cheesy looking [TS]

  game saying a game center redesign that [TS]

  doesn't have a social layer so I've [TS]

  complained myself about Game Center how [TS]

  it's insulting the gamers and gross [TS]

  looking and just terrible and everything [TS]

  like that so Johnny I've swoops in and [TS]

  he says I'm gonna fix this and he makes [TS]

  game center not look like green Felton [TS]

  and all that stuff or whatever but he [TS]

  hasn't actually fixed it because one of [TS]

  the you know that's surface level what's [TS]

  you know what's really wrong with game [TS]

  center well it's not as good as xbox [TS]

  live it's not as good as like steam or [TS]

  you know I need to other similar [TS]

  services that provide similar functions [TS]

  just functionally like where's the [TS]

  social layer wow how easy it is it to [TS]

  find and add friends and and you know do [TS]

  matches and find out what they're doing [TS]

  compared to you and stuff like that you [TS]

  know it's not just how the thing looks [TS]

  ah and aesthetically unified itunes [TS]

  without appreciably better content [TS]

  discovery what's wrong with iTunes it's [TS]

  not just that it's ugly and buggy and [TS]

  stuff like that but it should be easier [TS]

  to find stuff that you like right [TS]

  Assyria app without the background linen [TS]

  but still lacking much deeper semantic [TS]

  integration with the rest of iOS right [TS]

  is what's wrong with Syria it stupid [TS]

  Linden background no we just talked [TS]

  about this many things that are wrong [TS]

  with Syria have nothing to do with how [TS]

  it looks and with a little metal button [TS]

  that looks there and whether is Linden [TS]

  behind everything a Maps app without the [TS]

  ungainly surreal visual artifacts but [TS]

  still missing a robust search layer [TS]

  underneath you know what's wrong with [TS]

  maps is not the ugly graphics and we [TS]

  were three 3d flyover like that's all [TS]

  gravy we're willing to accept that it's [TS]

  the data that's bad in iBooks app [TS]

  without the wooden shelves are in your [TS]

  spine shadow but still with subpar [TS]

  typography and emic hyphenation and [TS]

  justification I books I complained about [TS]

  it looking like a book it's stupid the [TS]

  wooden shelves seem like they're [TS]

  pointless whatever but that's not what's [TS]

  wrong with ibooks it's not a good book [TS]

  reader doesn't you know do hyphenation [TS]

  while you can't do floating images it's [TS]

  like you know the store experience on [TS]

  how you update think we have the all [TS]

  show complaining about I book stuff it's [TS]

  not like people will focus on the [TS]

  looking like a book and I think that is [TS]

  a problem and they've addressed it by [TS]

  having non-book looking the modes [TS]

  whatever this [TS]

  much deeper things wrong that Jony ive [TS]

  or anyone else can't fix by putting a [TS]

  new coat of paint things or he ends with [TS]

  a podcast app without the tape deck [TS]

  skeuomorphism but with all the same [TS]

  navigational opaqueness wise podcasts [TS]

  are difficult to use you can't tell [TS]

  where you are and your catalog and find [TS]

  and you know your list of things like [TS]

  it's difficult to find where you are [TS]

  ignoring that the tape deck thing [TS]

  entirely there are deeper things wrong [TS]

  so he's in conclusion here at the end in [TS]

  the end what's wrong with iOS isn't the [TS]

  dark linen behind the app icons at the [TS]

  bottom of the screen but the fact that [TS]

  iOS ought to have much better [TS]

  interaction management and navigation [TS]

  than users fiddling with tiny icons I'm [TS]

  fairly sure most Apple users gladly [TS]

  continue to use but there what are [TS]

  supposed to be skeuomorphic Lee [TS]

  challenge calendar notebook apps for a [TS]

  thousand years apple can only solve more [TS]

  far more vexing problems software [TS]

  problems of applied the unification when [TS]

  using iTunes the app store and [TS]

  performance and reliability of the same [TS]

  like the the point of this article is [TS]

  that there are much much deeper problems [TS]

  then what these things look like in a [TS]

  metaphor is they use even though it's [TS]

  not you know if not saying those things [TS]

  aren't problems in many cases those [TS]

  things are problems in many cases those [TS]

  decisions cause other problems but the [TS]

  problems are much deeper they all the [TS]

  way down the software stack all the way [TS]

  through the wires into the server all [TS]

  the way to the company policies just you [TS]

  know everything uh so Johnny I've does [TS]

  have his work cut out for a minute too [TS]

  I'm not saying he doesn't he doesn't [TS]

  understand it's like we're giving [TS]

  something that you know you're telling [TS]

  John you have something doesn't already [TS]

  know I think he understands how deep [TS]

  usability goes and how it's not just a [TS]

  coat of paint like no it certainly has [TS]

  shown that he understands that hardware [TS]

  right but people out there thinking if [TS]

  iOS 7 comes out and linen texture is [TS]

  gone and it looks nicer it's like Oh [TS]

  Johnny I saved us all no I don't think [TS]

  he will have unless he's addressed all [TS]

  these other problems or you know [TS]

  federighi combination of him and [TS]

  federighi have addressed these other [TS]

  problems and maybe maybe this [TS]

  intransigence will start you know fading [TS]

  where it's like finally is iOS freed to [TS]

  evolve again to say we want to you know [TS]

  not just do a toe dip into data sharing [TS]

  but like let's solve the data sharing [TS]

  problem once and for all and let's be [TS]

  more bold with what springboard looks [TS]

  like like adding folders was like a [TS]

  concession and it's not like a great [TS]

  concession it's like what can we do [TS]

  within the current meta for this [TS]

  kind of fits with the because people [TS]

  what they want like is there something [TS]

  beyond springboard someone should be [TS]

  thinking you're working about that when [TS]

  the iPad came out I remember thinking [TS]

  like well it's not just going to be a [TS]

  grid of icons because a tablet interface [TS]

  require you know you have more space a [TS]

  different metaphor will be appropriate [TS]

  and they just stuck with springboard the [TS]

  way it was which works it's not terrible [TS]

  it's better than doing something that's [TS]

  bad but I still feel like there's [TS]

  something beyond the grid of icons they [TS]

  can go to and again as people will say [TS]

  like you don't understand apples right [TS]

  here sticking with the Civil grid icons [TS]

  this was genius about you have to think [TS]

  it has to be this simple like in many [TS]

  areas Apple is right I do applaud them [TS]

  for holding fast but things do need to [TS]

  evolve an apple does need to recognize [TS]

  the difference between when it's holding [TS]

  fast in a case where it turns out to be [TS]

  right and when it's holding fast in case [TS]

  where it turns out to be wrong and on [TS]

  the user interface stuff in the past two [TS]

  versions of both Mac os10 and iOS I [TS]

  think they've been conclusively proven [TS]

  themselves to be on the wrong trap and [TS]

  track in terms of how to design [TS]

  applications both look and feel and how [TS]

  they work to make users happy and to [TS]

  make people happy with those [TS]

  applications I think well this isn't [TS]

  this is one of those things where when [TS]

  you look at the history of the way that [TS]

  people have felt about this and the [TS]

  vocal people who are like contra you [TS]

  really don't know who he is I really [TS]

  don't i don't think anyone knows you [TS]

  know he one of the points that i think [TS]

  that he's making here that's one of the [TS]

  you know one of the the points a lot of [TS]

  people have been trying to make is we [TS]

  want to see changes you know what I'm [TS]

  saying and that's part of why I think [TS]

  people get upset about this is the [TS]

  changes that we know are coming or not [TS]

  always one that we're hoping for we're [TS]

  going to see progress not well yeah okay [TS]

  that's a better way to say progress but [TS]

  we don't know nasty stagnation yes [TS]

  there's a balance between not giving in [TS]

  to every stupid user whim and ending up [TS]

  with something looks like windows with [TS]

  stickers all over it and sticking with [TS]

  something past it's expiration date and [TS]

  then the war so who's going to determine [TS]

  what that expiration date really is [TS]

  well you mean that's that's as we pay [TS]

  apple for right that's that that's their [TS]

  job to you know that up until like up [TS]

  until maybe lion and mountain lion Mac [TS]

  os10 both evolved and changed you know [TS]

  tremendously in big dramatic ways but [TS]

  pretty much universally in positive ways [TS]

  and only with lion and mountain lion [TS]

  have things come in that the initial [TS]

  impression of them was that they were [TS]

  off pudding or you know that we didn't [TS]

  like them doesn't mean that they're [TS]

  wrong but like then it was it was a [TS]

  change from like you know every version [TS]

  had something for someone to complain [TS]

  about her pet feature didn't get done [TS]

  but in general we all felt like we're [TS]

  moving in a positive direction and [TS]

  here's this thing that goes in an [TS]

  unexpected direction and an unexpected [TS]

  direction can be amazing like when you [TS]

  come up with the phone with no buttons [TS]

  on it like that was unexpected and we [TS]

  people are uncomfortable with it it [TS]

  seemed like it was a terrible idea but [TS]

  turned out not to be yeah well this [TS]

  trend with you know changing their [TS]

  applications like this like in the [TS]

  beginning like could be cool but I'm [TS]

  kind of uncomfortable but let me just [TS]

  keep an open mind but they just to keep [TS]

  executing on this thing and like the [TS]

  worst part is that it works great in [TS]

  some contexts like garageband which is [TS]

  practically it's not it i'm gonna say [TS]

  it's a game like that'll make Merlin mad [TS]

  like it is amazingly powerful [TS]

  application but like the skeuomorphism [TS]

  they're actually serves a role because [TS]

  the people who are able to use this this [TS]

  application to do anything worth a damn [TS]

  probably at this point in history are [TS]

  familiar with the devices that they're [TS]

  they're mimicking maybe there's kids [TS]

  growing up and they've never seen like a [TS]

  wah pedal and they don't know why this [TS]

  thing looks like a little box with that [TS]

  with knobs on it they don't understand [TS]

  what it's emulating whatever but like [TS]

  that I feel like a creative application [TS]

  has more leeway to do that type of thing [TS]

  but GarageBand on the Mac where it's a [TS]

  multitrack Audio Editor maybe it doesn't [TS]

  need the wood title bar like but we [TS]

  didn't really mind that much but they [TS]

  just they keep going down this path [TS]

  despite all of the negative signals from [TS]

  from users and everything that maybe if [TS]

  you shouldn't paint everything with the [TS]

  same brush and maybe it's not the way to [TS]

  go and losing sight of the things that [TS]

  used to be on track without getting [TS]

  blinded by the incredible high quality [TS]

  of the visuals they have in these [TS]

  applications right because their [TS]

  pictures are pretty like you know when [TS]

  Apple give Apple credit when they do ask [TS]

  you a morphic application where they [TS]

  make something out of fake real-world [TS]

  materials they look really really good [TS]

  even if you hang their ugly you have to [TS]

  admit they're well [TS]

  rendered and especially retina [TS]

  resolution and that can blind you to [TS]

  what is actually wrong with this [TS]

  application right and what's actually [TS]

  wrong with it is if you did the you know [TS]

  wireframe information architecture [TS]

  diagram it would be you know it's too [TS]

  cumbersome to go from here to there or [TS]

  that's you know too much of a pain or [TS]

  whatever so all this is all mixed up [TS]

  into one kind of feeling of user [TS]

  interface malaise right like the visual [TS]

  malaise of like just too heavy witness [TS]

  hurting my eyes and like Windows 8 is a [TS]

  breath of fresh air right and the other [TS]

  malaise of like even I've just ignore [TS]

  the visuals I don't like this [TS]

  application because I can't get it to [TS]

  work and do what I wanted to do all [TS]

  right you're upset yeah all right I'm [TS]

  not that hopeful like I because I [TS]

  haven't been totally against this stuff [TS]

  you read my line the mountain lion [TS]

  reviews like you know I great pains to [TS]

  point out that like it could be that you [TS]

  know a lot of the feeling against like [TS]

  the leather calendar and stuff is like [TS]

  does it make it a worse calendar [TS]

  application is this what the problem is [TS]

  is that the leather or the stitching and [TS]

  like people don't like it because I [TS]

  think it's ugly and that's that's [TS]

  legitimate thing using something ugly is [TS]

  not fun but like the real problems with [TS]

  the calendar application we're like that [TS]

  you know didn't have features to be [TS]

  wanted it was cumbersome to use or and [TS]

  you know I did hammer on the [TS]

  skeuomorphism as like if you're gonna do [TS]

  that that's not helping if you're making [TS]

  visual promises you know these graphics [TS]

  are you know writing checks this [TS]

  interface can't cash the graphics say [TS]

  one thing the interface says no sorry [TS]

  right and they're closer to that balance [TS]

  in iOS but you know it's that I was [TS]

  mostly on board with this thing but now [TS]

  I feel like uh we've done we've run the [TS]

  experiment and this school of design has [TS]

  its limits Annapolis crossed has Apple [TS]

  has crossed over them and it needs to it [TS]

  needs to regroup and pull it back and [TS]

  focus less on the visuals and more on [TS]

  what the thing exactly to do and maybe [TS]

  that means you get to keep these visuals [TS]

  fine keep the cool appearances and stuff [TS]

  but just you know regroup and [TS]

  concentrate on making it also like if I [TS]

  took this application removed all of the [TS]

  textures and just made it wireframes [TS]

  would still be an awesome application [TS]

  like a recent example letterpress that [TS]

  basically is that yeah but that severe [TS]

  that's a very special case I mean how [TS]

  many apps are gonna be like that where [TS]

  they're gonna be awesome if you removed [TS]

  everything fifty percent well think of [TS]

  male male is basically it's like an iOS [TS]

  wireframe yeah right like it's just the [TS]

  simplest possible controls and you know [TS]

  if it's fast and responsive especially [TS]

  in the early days when this was the only [TS]

  you know people liked male like now [TS]

  maybe people are grumpy because it's not [TS]

  quite as feature rich as they want it to [TS]

  be but really any great application you [TS]

  should be able to completely remove the [TS]

  fancy visuals and just keep it in [TS]

  wireframes and it should still be useful [TS]

  and pleasing to use maybe not doesn't [TS]

  delight people as much as you don't get [TS]

  like a cool shredding animation or some [TS]

  even letterpress makes things explode [TS]

  when you remove the game stuff like that [TS]

  yeah like that's that's icing that's [TS]

  like progressive enhancement but it just [TS]

  got to be a solid you know solid user [TS]

  interface design in terms of like you [TS]

  know enough its law applies to touch [TS]

  things with like touch target size [TS]

  location obvious navigational model [TS]

  mental model like that's all got to work [TS]

  and then you make it look awesome on top [TS]

  of that you can't start from the other [TS]

  direction you know just to kind of take [TS]

  this off uh on a tangent a little bit I [TS]

  assume that because you know we can [TS]

  either confirm nor deny that you had [TS]

  anything to do with voting this year but [TS]

  if you were watching any of the results [TS]

  on television after after voting in as [TS]

  it was closing and things like that they [TS]

  have on an NBC was especially bad for [TS]

  this you know when NBC would go to [TS]

  commercial you'd have to an unfortunate [TS]

  task of switching over to the CNN which [TS]

  is worse you they would play very [TS]

  dramatic music in the background [TS]

  especially CNN in the background the [TS]

  whole time to do to hold while they're [TS]

  talking while they're talking about poll [TS]

  results they would have the picture of [TS]

  Obama come up and it would have liked a [TS]

  little highlight move across the square [TS]

  box around him framing his picture and [TS]

  it would flip out and roll out and [TS]

  there'd be little like explosions and [TS]

  fading things in and fading T who needs [TS]

  that garbage and that to me that's [TS]

  exactly what's going on with these apps [TS]

  like just show you know what I would [TS]

  have liked a screen that just showed on [TS]

  on it here's a picture here's a picture [TS]

  the other dude here's information about [TS]

  the dude that's all that I want need to [TS]

  see I don't need to see little flyovers [TS]

  and call outs and weird little things [TS]

  like that it's all extra it's all crazy [TS]

  stuff I mean it's bad enough that we [TS]

  have little scrollers are going across [TS]

  the bottom of the screen you know [TS]

  I don't need a lens flare happening in [TS]

  real time over a picture of a candidate [TS]

  like it's it's not necessary having a [TS]

  you know it's almost like hat like when [TS]

  you watch a TV show from the 70s or 80s [TS]

  it's got a laugh track on it and it's [TS]

  painfully obvious that it was a laugh [TS]

  track and not done in front of a studio [TS]

  audience this is the laugh track of the [TS]

  apps that we have today these things and [TS]

  I hope at some point people realize that [TS]

  none of this garbage is really necessary [TS]

  just give us a nap now fine you pointed [TS]

  out games like games great do cool stuff [TS]

  with the game because it's a game and [TS]

  usually it's a full screen interface [TS]

  like you've identified but you know just [TS]

  stay wat why why do companies feel like [TS]

  they need to do this stuff there are [TS]

  there people out there who like who [TS]

  think it's cool i think there are I [TS]

  think there are people how did you see [TS]

  the interface looks just like paper it [TS]

  looks just like paper like there are [TS]

  people who love that John well there's [TS]

  some room for that I think like you know [TS]

  artistic application or even just like [TS]

  the metal dock which I actually I think [TS]

  I'm staring it now I'm mountain lion on [TS]

  my mac pro here and I as I said in my [TS]

  review I was gonna try to keep this like [TS]

  metal slanty dock thing and I kept think [TS]

  is I think it looks I think it looks [TS]

  nice like I would like to own an actual [TS]

  physical thing that was made of this [TS]

  cool shiny metal thing uh there's room [TS]

  for that like that it's like icing on [TS]

  the cake you know I I don't think [TS]

  everything needs to be completely plain [TS]

  even straightforward applications uh can [TS]

  make you feel better about using them [TS]

  because it's like an emotional [TS]

  experience making right better to click [TS]

  I mean even just the OS changing the [TS]

  buttons to be like aqua colored and then [TS]

  making them flat or whatever like you [TS]

  want things to look cool and nice or [TS]

  whatever but never to the detriment it's [TS]

  always got to be an enhancement never [TS]

  the detriment and never to be in a [TS]

  distraction and speaking of the sound [TS]

  background thing two things in that [TS]

  first it reminded me of closer to home I [TS]

  don't know if you ever listen to these I [TS]

  think you tried to do this like once I [TS]

  don't remember but you know the podcast [TS]

  thing where there's light background [TS]

  music kind of like the stuff you just [TS]

  imitated yeah throughout the entire [TS]

  podcast array or does it sometimes to [TS]

  Howard Stern used to do it no drive me [TS]

  crazy like Howard you do not need that [TS]

  music behind you yeah but either during [TS]

  the ads he would do it sometimes like [TS]

  well I don't know what that is is there [TS]

  a term term of art for that background i [TS]

  I'm sure there is I [TS]

  admittedly I don't know that did you [TS]

  ever do that I thought I was right i did [TS]

  at one time as a as a joke on Marco show [TS]

  after he had done his he did his spot on [TS]

  howard stern show and had it had the [TS]

  music behind it and as a joke I said oh [TS]

  we should do that on this show we should [TS]

  have you know music behind the ad reads [TS]

  during the spot and and talk over and [TS]

  and and so put it on there as a joke for [TS]

  that show and boy you should have seen [TS]

  the emails and tweets I got from people [TS]

  who didn't know that it was a joke that [TS]

  you know they're there was like One guys [TS]

  like I really like it it sounded cool [TS]

  and then everybody else was like if you [TS]

  do this again I'm unsubscribing from [TS]

  every show and I will never listen to [TS]

  any of these people again and I need to [TS]

  listen to these people so please don't [TS]

  do it or I'll kill you like I mean [TS]

  almost death threat kind of thing it was [TS]

  really a joke it was just a joke hi [TS]

  Indian says it's wallpaper music and it [TS]

  always bothered me as well as like they [TS]

  do that on TV as well you know that and [TS]

  also like the lens flare later oh it [TS]

  also has a sound like the swooping sash [TS]

  yeah yeah that is that's awful and many [TS]

  different ways and the second thing [TS]

  about background music is that this is [TS]

  the reason that television stations do [TS]

  it a place where background music is [TS]

  used to good effect in an appropriate [TS]

  context but in the same exact way is in [TS]

  boss fights and video games yeah they [TS]

  have more dramatic intense higher pace [TS]

  music that makes sense it's a game is [TS]

  because it makes you like oh my god oh [TS]

  my god it's the boss right uh it's [TS]

  manipulation it's it's manipulating you [TS]

  yeah to being more nor more excited and [TS]

  under like because you know if you were [TS]

  actually fighting a gigantic you know [TS]

  spider thing and you'll you how was a [TS]

  sword you would be scared and like the [TS]

  game wants to convey that emotional [TS]

  experience same thing with movies you [TS]

  know movie sound right but in particular [TS]

  boss fights because uh it's an [TS]

  experience that you control some aspect [TS]

  of so the when I play video games by Sun [TS]

  frequently he gets freaked out on a boss [TS]

  and he just wants to continue with the [TS]

  game so has me beat the boss or he keeps [TS]

  dying or whatever and he's not he [TS]

  doesn't keep dying because it's too hard [TS]

  for him to do the bosses aren't actually [TS]

  harder than the rest of the game right [TS]

  hey you know go through the minibosses [TS]

  and stuff like that it's that he gets [TS]

  psyched out by the music right and so [TS]

  this is this is I [TS]

  faq as Merlin say for any kid young [TS]

  children Sarah I get young kids know [TS]

  this I gamers know this anyone I think [TS]

  anyone who's been here for any period of [TS]

  time knows this may be young people [TS]

  don't if you're having trouble on a boss [TS]

  fight one of the things that you can do [TS]

  is just mute the TV all the sudden like [TS]

  it decreased the the difficulty by a low [TS]

  level right now there may be sound cues [TS]

  that you need to actually beat the boss [TS]

  in that case you've got problems but if [TS]

  you just put it on mute lowering the [TS]

  volume kind of helps when I really but [TS]

  just put it on mute suddenly it's like [TS]

  oh I can relax I want you to do is wait [TS]

  for his attack move to the left take out [TS]

  this thing shoot them and there I move [TS]

  to the right role here and do that and [TS]

  repeat it three times and he's dead and [TS]

  it becomes like so easy and by the way [TS]

  the second thing if you're having [TS]

  trouble with boss fights in the modern [TS]

  age the second thing you can do [TS]

  especially if it's an actual difficult [TS]

  boss fight that is physically difficult [TS]

  to controlling you're not just getting [TS]

  psyched out go find a YouTube video [TS]

  someone beating the boss just watching [TS]

  some but not that you don't know what to [TS]

  do like once you know what to do which [TS]

  is can't execute it like I know you [TS]

  gotta do these things I just can't [TS]

  execute it's too hard for me watch a [TS]

  video of someone else doing it you would [TS]

  think what difference does that make I [TS]

  know this guy can do it I we both know [TS]

  what to do you both got it yeah I know [TS]

  you have to do this thing I just can't [TS]

  physically do it it's just too hard just [TS]

  watching someone else do it will [TS]

  subconsciously or perhaps consciously [TS]

  convince you that it is possible to beat [TS]

  this boss and just by watching someone [TS]

  else dude it becomes like oh this is a [TS]

  thing that can happen I see human beings [TS]

  can do this assuming it's not an [TS]

  emulator don't watch emulator videos [TS]

  you'll you'll feel bad about yourself [TS]

  watch someone else do it and then go off [TS]

  and do on your own so any right like the [TS]

  music thing that emotional manipulation [TS]

  there's a dark side of the light side to [TS]

  that the dark side is the political [TS]

  thing of like dunton Tom be nervous [TS]

  about whatever it is right storm is [TS]

  coming storm of the century your [TS]

  children could be poisoned election [TS]

  results whatever it is right and the [TS]

  positive side of that is if you're [TS]

  watching a movie you want to get into it [TS]

  if you're playing a video game like it's [TS]

  part of it you want to get into it you [TS]

  want to get that feeling that thrill and [TS]

  in software all these tools this amazing [TS]

  you know ability to make beautiful [TS]

  graphics and everything can be used for [TS]

  good and and for evil unintentional evil [TS]

  like the good is you have an amazing [TS]

  application that works great and if it [TS]

  was just black and white wire frames [TS]

  people would use in [TS]

  joy this application and love it and [TS]

  become dedicated to it because it's [TS]

  solid it's reliable to functionality [TS]

  you've employed it is great and now take [TS]

  your amazing application let's say it's [TS]

  an art application and make it look like [TS]

  a piece of park from people and make the [TS]

  tools look like beautiful real world art [TS]

  tools that artists who use this program [TS]

  are going to be familiar with they will [TS]

  love the program even more as long as [TS]

  it's also an awesome program on top of [TS]

  all these visual enhancements and using [TS]

  it for evil unintentionally is getting [TS]

  to concentrating too much on making this [TS]

  paintbrush tool graphic look like your [TS]

  favorite real life sable paintbrush but [TS]

  the rest of your application stinks and [TS]

  if you took where the paintbrush graphic [TS]

  you wouldn't be able to sell it for two [TS]

  cents this is supposed to be I didn't I [TS]

  didn't Claire in short Gina I had hopes [TS]

  but they're not I will tease that the [TS]

  topic I have for next week which if you [TS]

  look at my show it's you would see [TS]

  there's a million links for it is the [TS]

  story about Apple said to be exploring [TS]

  switch from in from Intel for the Mac [TS]

  businessweek story the idea of Apple [TS]

  ditching and telling going with arm [TS]

  instead I've a lot to say about that [TS]

  I'll cool we'll save it for next week [TS]

  unless something else preempted by about [TS]

  five TVs I hypercritical such 93 as all [TS]

  the links for this episode that John is [TS]

  put together for you you can follow John [TS]

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  else you got time [TS]

  I think that's all all right well thank [TS]

  you we'll be back next week and thanks [TS]

  everybody for tuning in and thanks to [TS]

  all the Jackals in the chat room see you [TS]

  next week [TS]

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