91: Adolescence


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  the world of Apple and related [TS]

  technologies and businesses nothing is [TS]

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  by my co-host John Siracusa I'm Dan [TS]

  Benjamin today is Friday October 26 2012 [TS]

  this is episode number 91 of [TS]

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  heard about it here on five by five [TS]

  hello John Siracusa how are you this [TS]

  fine friday afternoon or morning really [TS]

  I'm just fine good sound good today [TS]

  would you change nothing okay got stuff [TS]

  to talk about today don't say that man [TS]

  let's go whoo a little tiny bit of [TS]

  follow-up and then we'll dive into what [TS]

  must be discussed okay last show we [TS]

  talked about microsoft surface for a bit [TS]

  and there was one point that i had in my [TS]

  notes that i somehow missed when we were [TS]

  discussing the memory size of you know [TS]

  the surface versus the potential ipad [TS]

  and stuff like that sure and how the [TS]

  surface start at 32 I believe anyway um [TS]

  the the salient point that I was missing [TS]

  is that someone interviewed I think it [TS]

  was actually on a reddit I am one of [TS]

  those interview things someone from the [TS]

  surface team is interviewed there and [TS]

  they're asking how big like the OS [TS]

  install is on the surface and apparently [TS]

  the surface uses 12 gigs for the OS or [TS]

  something like that how really so on the [TS]

  32 gig model you know you got you got [TS]

  nothing you got 21 20 20 left all right [TS]

  so [TS]

  if you can imagine a 16 gig if iOS took [TS]

  up that much room a 16 gig ipad would [TS]

  that really be a four gig ipad so iOS [TS]

  seems to have a big advantage in OS size [TS]

  and that actually should factor in it [TS]

  when you buy like one of these devices [TS]

  16 gigs 32 gig or whatever you don't get [TS]

  all that space you know it's going to [TS]

  come pre-installed with apps and also [TS]

  pre-installed with the OS but you [TS]

  assumed it like yeah mostly it'll be [TS]

  free right but in the case of windows 8 [TS]

  on the surface be aware that it may be a [TS]

  little bit bigger than you think and the [TS]

  final bit here is from jared williams [TS]

  who notes that the Microsoft service [TS]

  will only be sold online and at [TS]

  Microsoft stores not in traditional [TS]

  retail stores like best buy and that's [TS]

  news to me that's interesting that [TS]

  they're not even bother selling it [TS]

  through a reseller this could be a move [TS]

  to promote their own stores it could be [TS]

  something to make a third-party tablet [TS]

  makers feel better oh hey we're not [TS]

  competing with you guys you'll you know [TS]

  would result in our own stores and like [TS]

  these little kiosks in the mall but you [TS]

  know we're not going to try to compete [TS]

  with you in the big box retailers so I'm [TS]

  not sure with the strategy is there but [TS]

  it's interesting that's all the fall [TS]

  that's it one video I didn't go through [TS]

  and do all my right I have a bunch more [TS]

  follow-up but I figure have so many [TS]

  things to talk about on this show I [TS]

  didn't want to overwhelm it with [TS]

  follow-up otherwise the thing would go [TS]

  long as I have fall upon the f-15 and [TS]

  all sorts of other stuff but no time for [TS]

  it today ok so today we're going to talk [TS]

  about the apple event that happened was [TS]

  it yesterday day before Tuesday it was [TS]

  on Tuesday yeah the 23rd the 23rd of [TS]

  October 2012 yeah and there was a lot in [TS]

  this event a lot more than many of us [TS]

  thought they would be I don't know what [TS]

  order you want to discuss things in in [TS]

  my notes there in the order that they [TS]

  were presented I like I like that I like [TS]

  that because i actually think some of [TS]

  them will have more to say about then [TS]

  than others and then if we go in the [TS]

  order that they went then people can [TS]

  follow along by watching and pause it [TS]

  know if that's going to happen but all [TS]

  right so we'll start with the new [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro [TS]

  which was your darling that you [TS]

  predicted for the the previous event and [TS]

  didn't show ran this this time it showed [TS]

  up Oh are you surprised when you fun it [TS]

  showed up or you're like a Pepsi I know [TS]

  it was gonna be well I mean I'd heard I [TS]

  had heard the rumors leading up again to [TS]

  this one I I mean what's interesting is [TS]

  for a while there Apple was having [TS]

  product specific events and they would [TS]

  have and famously the iphone you know [TS]

  they would have a specific product they [TS]

  did it with the iphone they did with the [TS]

  ipad and I it's interesting that they [TS]

  had so many different device [TS]

  announcements at this one and what was [TS]

  also interesting was he they even talked [TS]

  about I want to get too far ahead of it [TS]

  but they even talked about like the Mac [TS]

  Mini which really just received just a [TS]

  little bit of a speed bump in storage [TS]

  bump and there was really nothing much [TS]

  to talk about and yet they still [TS]

  announced it so I don't know to me that [TS]

  would that was a little interesting but [TS]

  I I think they just had the 13-inch [TS]

  ready so they announced it so I was not [TS]

  really surprised um but I think I felt [TS]

  like it was overdue I felt like they [TS]

  wanted to announce it last time and for [TS]

  some reason maybe supply or whatever but [TS]

  couldn't yeah that tension between like [TS]

  those two kinds of events that it used [TS]

  to be like when they were at macworld [TS]

  expo and in WABC in some respects is [TS]

  like oh they'll there's going to be a [TS]

  smorgasbord of stuff here it's not just [TS]

  gonna be one thing but then these [TS]

  special events that you're right they [TS]

  started doing these things where it's [TS]

  like this is going to be all about the [TS]

  whatever and even if they have other [TS]

  stuff to announce they be like our we're [TS]

  not going to talk about on stage will [TS]

  silently bump it or maybe they'll give [TS]

  it one slide briefly but this felt more [TS]

  like an old Mac world keynote where they [TS]

  just they had a whole bunch of stuff and [TS]

  they sort of built to the one the big [TS]

  one that they wanted to talk about but [TS]

  the other things that came before were [TS]

  not insignificant I mean if you think [TS]

  about this announcement versus the wwc [TS]

  keynote this year they were similar in [TS]

  volume maybe there was even more and [TS]

  more important stuff in this one [TS]

  hardware-wise anyway not software that's [TS]

  also why it felt like an old one because [TS]

  the old ones used to be like all about [TS]

  hardware at least in the beginning when [TS]

  their software wasn't really anything [TS]

  they wanted to brag about the beginning [TS]

  of the jobs to our before Mac os10 had [TS]

  sort of settled in so the 13-inch I mean [TS]

  it's what we expected it's the it's like [TS]

  the 15-inch retina macbook pro but [TS]

  13-inch so it can be a little bit [TS]

  thinner the screen is smaller there's [TS]

  some disappointing aspects of it some of [TS]

  the chat room is already complained [TS]

  about the fact that the eight gigs ram [TS]

  is the max that you can get on this [TS]

  thing which is really is kind of like is [TS]

  that a pro that is that a macbook pro [TS]

  you know it seems like you should be [TS]

  able to Jan I didn't edit and [TS]

  double-checking this like I'm going to [TS]

  you know configure your macbook pro [TS]

  13-inch on the store and I must I'm [TS]

  going to the wrong page that let me see [TS]

  me see if that's actually the case [TS]

  because I have trouble even believing [TS]

  this no I don't that Ram option no it's [TS]

  like a sealed I've got this thing here [TS]

  and I'm looking at it now there's a [TS]

  macbook pro with retina display and now [TS]

  that's when you got a macbook pro let's [TS]

  see what you can do if you buy now I now [TS]

  13 inch yeah look at that yeah you can [TS]

  pick cpu you can pick storage and [TS]

  accessories but nothing about ram and [TS]

  you know obviously it's soldered onto [TS]

  the board and Rayla stuff like it is a [TS]

  30 inch but 15 inch gave you a choice 8 [TS]

  or 16 right the 13 inch here it comes [TS]

  with four gigs of ram at the 2.5 [TS]

  gigahertz speed and then at the 2.9 [TS]

  gigahertz it which is 1499 it is eight [TS]

  gigs and that's that's it numbers gigs [TS]

  now are you looking at the right thing [TS]

  yeah i'm looking at the right thing for [TS]

  four gigs hang on no come on i'll hang [TS]

  on a click the wrong one you take eight [TS]

  gigs on both of them yeah you're right i [TS]

  was looking at the non right now sorry [TS]

  alright 1699 1999 with Retina Display [TS]

  eight gigs both can't configure yeah [TS]

  that and that is that is disappointing [TS]

  like I'm happy that all the minimums are [TS]

  now eight but I'm not happy that the [TS]

  maximum is eight on this thing it's [TS]

  really thin it's about point seven five [TS]

  inches which is like twenty percent [TS]

  thinner than the old one right the most [TS]

  interesting about is really light like [TS]

  3.5 pounds they lost a pound like it's [TS]

  starting to push down into not into [TS]

  macbook air territory quite yet but it [TS]

  starts to change how that machine feel [TS]

  like we're all waiting around for a [TS]

  retina MacBook garum and as we discussed [TS]

  on past shows my theory as to why they [TS]

  can't do that is because it's just not [TS]

  enough room and it's getting a little [TS]

  package for a battery big enough to [TS]

  power retina display so don't get that [TS]

  sorted out eventually but while while we [TS]

  wait if you you know pump a little iron [TS]

  this 13-inch MacBook Pro could be a [TS]

  reasonable proxy / 13 inch macbook air [TS]

  it's not super light and super skinny [TS]

  like the air is but still I bet it [TS]

  crosses some threshold from feeling like [TS]

  you're hanging around a big brick to [TS]

  feeling like you're carrying around [TS]

  something that's pretty thin a lot like [TS]

  even the 15 inch now 15 ish feels too [TS]

  much like a lunch tray to to make you [TS]

  feel like it's small but this one this [TS]

  looks like a really nice machine except [TS]

  for the RAM thing yep USB 3 is now going [TS]

  everywhere on the Mac line so this thing [TS]

  is you know it's going to Thunderbolt [TS]

  ports USB 3 the dual mics which they're [TS]

  also throwing everywhere on the line i [TS]

  guess for mountain lions dictation [TS]

  features i can do noise cancellation and [TS]

  stuff to make the speech better not the [TS]

  microphones are super high quality and [TS]

  they're actually in kind of a weird spot [TS]

  on the side of the machine but to Mike's [TS]

  is better than one and hdmi out you know [TS]

  all the modern things we expect it mazes [TS]

  me kind of that the SD card slot keeps [TS]

  hanging on you know like they never put [TS]

  CF slots and their thing so just sort of [TS]

  picked a winner it's like OSD I don't it [TS]

  is SD like the big giant winner in the [TS]

  camera space like who's using SD cards [TS]

  people with cameras I don't see a lot of [TS]

  people using them like we see people [TS]

  using USB thumb drives as they're like [TS]

  little solid-state storage they carry [TS]

  around ah but I was under the impression [TS]

  at least last time I was looking into [TS]

  this that CF is still has some reasons [TS]

  for pro people to use it and this is a [TS]

  macbook pro but anyway it is kind of [TS]

  surprising to me but surprisingly when [TS]

  SD card slot slot started to appear on [TS]

  max it's kind of surprising to me that [TS]

  they continue to be there because Apple [TS]

  is so ruthless about removing ports that [TS]

  they don't want [TS]

  no firewire or anything on this like [TS]

  fire wire is done we've got sundar bolt [TS]

  now and USB 3 God every time I look at [TS]

  these machines I think about the Mac Pro [TS]

  that you could buy which does not have [TS]

  USB 3 does not have Thunderbolt that's [TS]

  depressing alright the retina display is [TS]

  exactly what you saw just a double the [TS]

  old display 2560 by 1600 and I have to [TS]

  say like I've seen lots of 15 inch [TS]

  retinas a friend of mine at work had one [TS]

  SAT right next to me for a while so I [TS]

  look it is and I've seen a bunch of [TS]

  other ones and that really is such a [TS]

  nice screen like you've seen it yourself [TS]

  like you said is the only screen that [TS]

  you've used in years that doesn't [TS]

  actually give you eye strain desktop [TS]

  laptop anything and I'm I really like [TS]

  that screen it has all the aspects of it [TS]

  that that I wish the desktops is why I [TS]

  like when they went all glossy [TS]

  everywhere we all complain well the [TS]

  retina is has far less glare the other [TS]

  ones it doesn't have the glass over the [TS]

  top of it and I don't know if it has an [TS]

  anti-glare coating this one I believe [TS]

  does but if there's less glare like even [TS]

  on the 50 inch there's just less glare [TS]

  there's no air gap between some glass [TS]

  thing covering the display it really [TS]

  does look like the pixels are up on the [TS]

  surface they said that about the the [TS]

  iPhone 4 or 4s or whenever they [TS]

  laminated that thing and I didn't really [TS]

  see it there but I see it on the 15-inch [TS]

  macbook pro retina I'm assuming you'll [TS]

  see it on the 13 as well the downside to [TS]

  that is the durability issue is kind of [TS]

  scary if you drop your keys on the [TS]

  screen of your old macbook pro and it [TS]

  scratches that glass they can replace [TS]

  that front glass for you but if you drop [TS]

  your keys on the screen of one of these [TS]

  retina models that screen that glass is [TS]

  laminated to the screen and if you want [TS]

  that scratch to go away you got to pay [TS]

  for an entire new screen which is not [TS]

  going to be cheap so that's that's the [TS]

  price you pay for having a much much [TS]

  nicer looking screen you got to be a [TS]

  little bit more careful with it and the [TS]

  thing about these screens is that if you [TS]

  use like one of those hacks when those [TS]

  resolution hacks to put it into sort of [TS]

  native 1x mode where one point is 1 [TS]

  pixel on a Retina display which Apple [TS]

  wisely does not allow you to do but if [TS]

  you do that everything becomes [TS]

  microscopic and you think boy now it's [TS]

  all blurry I can't see anything but if [TS]

  you [TS]

  lean really close to the screen or you [TS]

  get like a run of the jeweler loupe [TS]

  things or whatever you can see it's not [TS]

  that it's blurry is that your vision is [TS]

  blurry if you go put your nose right its [TS]

  screen you can see oh yeah there they [TS]

  are all the little fine details crisply [TS]

  drawn in tiny pixels that are you know [TS]

  it's too small for the eye to see it [TS]

  really is amazing um and yeah whereas [TS]

  where is my desktop display it's like [TS]

  this where where is it ends in a secret [TS]

  lab somewhere deep in the bowels of [TS]

  Apple yeah mac pro 2013 Tim Cook says [TS]

  once again not that there will be a new [TS]

  mac pro 2013 but that people who are [TS]

  disappointed that there is no mac pro [TS]

  apple will have something for them in [TS]

  2013 i could just could just be faster [TS]

  cpu could be the middle finger yea vote [TS]

  anyway i patiently wait for 2013 [TS]

  contained wait and so they show the [TS]

  little thing here's the macbook lineup [TS]

  now they've got the heir of the pro and [TS]

  the pro with retina display like they [TS]

  lumped it into those three bins the [TS]

  heirs and the pros are all basically you [TS]

  know by implication non-retina because [TS]

  they're still selling the 13-inch non [TS]

  retina macbook pro on the 15 inch [TS]

  non-retina mac or probably guessed for [TS]

  people who want optical drives or for [TS]

  people who can't afford the the ones [TS]

  that have the retina display but it is a [TS]

  pretty good spread of price like the air [TS]

  started a thousand the macbook pros [TS]

  without retina start at 1200 and the [TS]

  with retina started 1700 and the visual [TS]

  identity is like there's black frames [TS]

  around the pros retina and non-retina [TS]

  like around the screen and the air is [TS]

  still have like the aluminium color [TS]

  around the screen and much thicker [TS]

  border around the air so it kind of [TS]

  makes them look older and cheaper you [TS]

  know they're getting kind of long in the [TS]

  tooth but uh I i said it's there if that [TS]

  is I think a very intentional I think [TS]

  that's the distinction it's if it's a [TS]

  Retina Display currently if it's a [TS]

  Retina Display it's going to get the [TS]

  beautiful black border and if it is the [TS]

  air it's not but the non-retina pros [TS]

  still have the blood more enjoy his [TS]

  gambling lack is like is like pro pro or [TS]

  it could be a transition what we'll find [TS]

  out when the retina has come out if they [TS]

  have suddenly have a black border around [TS]

  them then there was just the new look [TS]

  they were going to our [TS]

  took a while to transition but thickness [TS]

  order that makes it look cheaper kind of [TS]

  John were you as surprised a little bit [TS]

  by the fact that the macbook pros [TS]

  non-retina are still there were you [TS]

  expecting them to be replaced because [TS]

  there's not much difference in price [TS]

  there's only in the case of the 13-inch [TS]

  I think there's only maybe 150 to 200 [TS]

  bucks difference in price I'm not saying [TS]

  that's not a lot of money to spend a [TS]

  difference on a computer but do you [TS]

  think that the non retina macbook pros [TS]

  are selling well would you buy if you [TS]

  were buying a laptop today and you [TS]

  decided it wasn't an air is there really [TS]

  much of a decision for you like wood [TS]

  could you see people buying a 13-inch [TS]

  MacBook Pro without retina and my [TS]

  impression right now is the non-retina [TS]

  pros are still around for the same [TS]

  reason the 17-inch was still around with [TS]

  that with the pc card slot for such a [TS]

  long time remember those years though [TS]

  he's like and if you still want a pc [TS]

  card slot you're forced to get the 7th [TS]

  like that battleship hung around for it [TS]

  seemed like a really long time and we [TS]

  just stopped paying attention to it but [TS]

  i think there was a class of customer [TS]

  who wanted that machine an apple was [TS]

  giving them an extra year or two or [TS]

  wherever it was for them to phase out [TS]

  and i feel like this is the same way but [TS]

  in this case it's with the optical drive [TS]

  like it's the only reason you would [TS]

  really buy those not not because they're [TS]

  cheaper like you know i think it's [TS]

  because the optical drive because as you [TS]

  said if someone is buying a pro a couple [TS]

  hundred dollars like as they need it for [TS]

  their work a couple hundred dollars [TS]

  isn't a big deal and if you don't need [TS]

  it for your work well an error is [TS]

  probably a better machine for you [TS]

  because who cares if it has all this big [TS]

  fancy power and everything and the [TS]

  larger screen stuff like that so uh [TS]

  who's going to be still buying those [TS]

  it's like well it is people who are both [TS]

  price conscious and still want the [TS]

  optical drive one important person who's [TS]

  like this is my mother who loves the [TS]

  optical drive and she has a current 13 [TS]

  inch or a pre retina 13-inch MacBook Pro [TS]

  and she uses the opp to drive all time [TS]

  she rents audio books from the library [TS]

  and puts them into her drive there and [TS]

  she gets netflix movies on disk and puts [TS]

  them in and watches them on her laptop [TS]

  I've all my dad watches sports or [TS]

  cooking shows and without that optical [TS]

  drive it's you know you've got a problem [TS]

  like I've told her them going away she's [TS]

  like well just gonna keep using this one [TS]

  until they all go away you know I'm [TS]

  there they're slowly going away so if [TS]

  you [TS]

  if she was in the market for a new and [TS]

  she's not her thing is working fine but [TS]

  if she was she would definitely buy the [TS]

  ones that with the absolute drive [TS]

  because they're a little bit cheaper and [TS]

  you know she doesn't to spend too much [TS]

  money and they had the optical drive so [TS]

  these those pro still serve a purpose [TS]

  for some period of time to sort of [TS]

  transition the the people who really [TS]

  want an optical drive of it and I think [TS]

  it does help them flush out there the [TS]

  price points even if people end up [TS]

  bouncing to the lower or higher end and [TS]

  don't actually land on a little middle [TS]

  and it's nice to have a range you don't [TS]

  want to jump right from the air is to [TS]

  like a seventeen hundred dollar pro with [TS]

  retina right yeah you're getting one of [TS]

  these 13 inch ones right I hate laptops [TS]

  I don't like laptops ah but it's yeah [TS]

  that's nice machine looks where can we [TS]

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  please continue sir this is the day of [TS]

  construction trucks driving about my [TS]

  house I don't know where they're going [TS]

  but what's going on in your neighborhood [TS]

  they want to go somewhere at least [TS]

  they're not stopping the D [TS]

  gentrification of your neighborhood has [TS]

  begun it could be street cleaners I [TS]

  haven't checked okay but they're noisy [TS]

  all right Oh Mac Mini the mac mini I'm a [TS]

  big fan of the mac mini John let's play [TS]

  the this would never have happened to [TS]

  Steve Jobs was a lot because that's such [TS]

  a fun game to play it is a fun game and [TS]

  in case to be absolutely clear to the [TS]

  people at this a game is ridiculous I [TS]

  don't like I haven't yet to read a [TS]

  single intelligent thing said in the [TS]

  context of this wouldn't have happened a [TS]

  Steve Jobs is a lot I don't not not sure [TS]

  anything children can be said in that [TS]

  context but ah I'm doing mrs. joke when [TS]

  Phil Schiller said you knew there'd be [TS]

  something called many in this [TS]

  presentation didn't you ah they never [TS]

  would have spoiled the surprise of some [TS]

  announcement later in a presentation of [TS]

  Steve Jobs was alive that is the perfect [TS]

  example that phenomenon because i'm [TS]

  pretty sure Steve hub is it exactly that [TS]

  same thing when he was alive which is [TS]

  sort of the pattern for all these stupid [TS]

  things but anyway that was cute um so [TS]

  Mac Mini they Rev the Mac minion I'm [TS]

  like I know we complain about the mac [TS]

  pro with the mac mini if you were like a [TS]

  big mac mini fan I guess Mac Mini Colo [TS]

  probably is it's like when are we gonna [TS]

  get a mini update what Apple feels like [TS]

  it like cool your jets man you know this [TS]

  is the macbook pros every year and I [TS]

  like the laptop line every year they're [TS]

  gonna do something with the laptop line [TS]

  because those are their bread and butter [TS]

  but the mac mini yeah you know but so [TS]

  the thing with Mac Mini is like when [TS]

  it's at the end of its life time you [TS]

  really don't want to buy one because [TS]

  when it gets revved it's a big leap from [TS]

  the past one and this is an impressive [TS]

  little machine alright so first the USB [TS]

  3 of course for you as beasley 3 slots [TS]

  firewire 800 still hanging on there yeah [TS]

  what you got a weird that's really good [TS]

  yes [TS]

  bolt port the Mac Mini has a Thunderbolt [TS]

  port Mac Pro not so much hdmi you know [TS]

  with the acknowledgement of the people [TS]

  who want to use it attached to a TV [TS]

  really fast CPUs I put a link in the [TS]

  show notes of showing the benchmarks of [TS]

  this thing and how depressingly it beats [TS]

  some of the older mac pros in some [TS]

  benchmarks the mac mini beating them at [TS]

  back pros i think was like a 2009 mac [TS]

  pro it is now faster than in some cpu [TS]

  benchmarks up to 16 gigs ram 13-inch [TS]

  retina MacBook Pro can have it but the [TS]

  mac mini can and you know one terabyte [TS]

  hard drive or 256 gig SSD and an option [TS]

  for the fusion drive which we'll discuss [TS]

  later these these minis I've thought [TS]

  about getting a mini for just two [TS]

  attached to my TV for a while the thing [TS]

  that keeps stopping is one these are [TS]

  pretty expensive like the mini I mean I [TS]

  guess it's kind of stayed the same price [TS]

  so it probably is going down but it's [TS]

  not like you're getting a mini for 300 [TS]

  bucks you know once you get the men you [TS]

  want you're pushing up close to a [TS]

  thousand so it's not and it's not an [TS]

  insignificant investment and second is [TS]

  I'm still a little bit worried about fan [TS]

  noise I don't have something always on [TS]

  attached to my TV in my TV room adding [TS]

  more fan ever hear that i have a lot of [TS]

  mac minis you never hear the fans those [TS]

  I'd be happier if it had no fan because [TS]

  i love the apple TV yeah but i don't [TS]

  think the fan maybe the Jackals on the [TS]

  chat room can corroborate this or [TS]

  dispute it but I unless I'm doing [TS]

  something with flash I never hear the [TS]

  fan of that thing yeah I'll bet it's [TS]

  quiet but anyway I continue to to I the [TS]

  mac mini warily maybe I can consider [TS]

  getting one to attachment I just keep [TS]

  hoping that like newer Apple TVs will [TS]

  come out with no fans that do everything [TS]

  that I would would be doing with the mac [TS]

  mini oh right way that's cute it's a [TS]

  nice little update thumbs up on that add [TS]

  that extra how do you have any of those [TS]

  anyone minis yeah no no I've always [TS]

  avoided them what what if the update to [TS]

  the mac pro is that they get rid of the [TS]

  mac pro and they have a mini that has [TS]

  just some kind of thing where you can [TS]

  like a drobo style insert some drives [TS]

  and and pci cards i'll be very upset [TS]

  with Tim alright if you did that or on [TS]

  her same basis and I'd say you know Tim [TS]

  you said in 2013 you'd have something [TS]

  for the people who are just wonder [TS]

  there's no mac [TS]

  this is not it and once again to [TS]

  reiterate the reason you can't have this [TS]

  fantasy scenario is because at least for [TS]

  me and I suspect for other people as [TS]

  well that the reason I want to Mac Pro [TS]

  is because i want the fastest available [TS]

  video card in there and the fastest [TS]

  available video cards cannot run over [TS]

  Thunderbolt because Thunderbolt does not [TS]

  have enough bandwidth it's equivalent to [TS]

  like what is like for pci express lanes [TS]

  or something like that I remember the [TS]

  exact numbers but the top end video [TS]

  cards use more PCI Express Lanes than is [TS]

  available in the current version of [TS]

  Thunderbolt so everything else aside the [TS]

  you know possible expensive having [TS]

  external breakout boxes and stuff like [TS]

  bad ball is just not it's just not [TS]

  possible with current technology to get [TS]

  the machine that I want and of course [TS]

  the other people want mac pros you know [TS]

  they want to put in big full-length pci [TS]

  express cards again they probably need [TS]

  more lanes even if you had a breakout [TS]

  box it couldn't you know it's just less [TS]

  convenient to have this big spaghetti of [TS]

  boxes you know we don't want a little [TS]

  neck mini and then connect to you know a [TS]

  thunderbolt drive chassis where you can [TS]

  put for hard drives and then connected [TS]

  to another chassis where you can put two [TS]

  pci cards for your video capture you end [TS]

  up with this big spaghetti of boxes [TS]

  connected with wires you like I can't [TS]

  just package that in one really nice box [TS]

  and give it to me now I fully expect the [TS]

  new mac pro you know the optical drives [TS]

  go away the case gets smaller SSDs [TS]

  feature prominently in the pre-installed [TS]

  hardware again we'll get to the fusion [TS]

  drive in a little bit that's what I [TS]

  expect of a new mac pro replacement and [TS]

  by the way give me retina display and [TS]

  some crazy video card that can actually [TS]

  drive it over some kind of bus I'd like [TS]

  whatever you got to do make it happen [TS]

  right let's look we're all signed up for [TS]

  for 2013 so um fingers crossed but for [TS]

  now on the desktop realm we've got the [TS]

  new imac with yes they said was like the [TS]

  people consider the imac the flagship of [TS]

  the neckline it's like you're just [TS]

  you're just rolling over in your grave [TS]

  when they said that I me it is like [TS]

  psychologically like if you if you ask [TS]

  the general public name a Mac they're [TS]

  like the imac is that a Mac like that'll [TS]

  come up so they know that it like but [TS]

  you know the flagship does that mean it [TS]

  is a faction well wait a minute the hold [TS]

  on hang on ever since the day the imac [TS]

  came out i would argue that that has [TS]

  been their flagship mac that i'm at the [TS]

  imac has always ever since that first [TS]

  day that has been the mac and then [TS]

  if you had a Steve Jobs and today if [TS]

  you'd asked him cook and if you'd ask [TS]

  most folks on the street if you if you [TS]

  said imagine in your mind a Mac what do [TS]

  you think of they're going to think of [TS]

  an imac now you might not think of the [TS]

  imac but i think most most people still [TS]

  Sam Mac they're probably not going to [TS]

  think of a laptop I think the thing your [TS]

  laptop at this point it's fun yeah you [TS]

  know what you mean you may have you may [TS]

  have a good point there but I bet you [TS]

  that there's more people on the street [TS]

  who don't even know that Apple makes a [TS]

  tower anymore oh yeah I'm sure that's [TS]

  sir you know but like it uh it depends [TS]

  on what you're different hey wait a [TS]

  minute where where the where are the [TS]

  towers in the in the apple store is [TS]

  still there are they still there because [TS]

  I remember you could walk in the apple [TS]

  store and fifty percent of what you saw [TS]

  where the towers sitting up on top of [TS]

  the thing with the cinema displays next [TS]

  to them and now it's all ipads iphones [TS]

  and laptops and I wonder if you if [TS]

  there's more than a couple of the towers [TS]

  and they're jackals Andy you've been to [TS]

  a i'm gerry only to apple store recently [TS]

  you've been in there recently I'd be [TS]

  shocked if there was more than two i can [TS]

  remember say i think there might be one [TS]

  I'd be surprised there's two yeah this [TS]

  one does definitely one because I saw it [TS]

  last time i was there which is like a [TS]

  week ago right and if there's two [TS]

  they're right next to each other I think [TS]

  they used to be too and I think now [TS]

  that's probably just one and then the [TS]

  thing next to it is TV with a mini [TS]

  connected to it or TV with an apple TV [TS]

  connect to do or something but there's [TS]

  still one I mean I don't care what's in [TS]

  the apple store on the blind from the [TS]

  apple store just you know do they know [TS]

  what I want yeah but anyway in the [TS]

  meantime imac they have a cool imac [TS]

  evolution picture they showed the the [TS]

  seven generations of imax all lined up [TS]

  yeah and that was it was good for [TS]

  getting across the message they want it [TS]

  because you know there's the CRT ones [TS]

  and it's like you know what can you do [TS]

  CRT and then there was the the [TS]

  transitional form where it was like we [TS]

  didn't want to shove all the guts in the [TS]

  back of the display because that makes [TS]

  it all fat don't lampshade stop yeah yes [TS]

  that you have a lampshade I did not [TS]

  myself I had one and I should have kept [TS]

  it on a wide and keep that thing yeah [TS]

  that was a great machine I remember when [TS]

  that design came out I saw it in person [TS]

  I'm like I can't [TS]

  you can buy this computer for the amount [TS]

  of money they were selling it for [TS]

  because it looks so expensive like that [TS]

  ridiculous arm thing and the way it [TS]

  worked and looked and it just looked [TS]

  like an incredibly expensive product [TS]

  like it look like oh this is you know [TS]

  some crazy bang and olufsen thing and I [TS]

  can't afford something business it was [TS]

  like 1,200 bucks or whatever was I could [TS]

  not believe that you could get it for [TS]

  that price and so they were like let's [TS]

  let's let each element be true to itself [TS]

  so that we don't want to shovel the guts [TS]

  in the back of the monitor because [TS]

  that's you know the guts they should be [TS]

  squatted note to the ground and so had [TS]

  the little dome thing it was like it was [TS]

  matt finish that's one of the only times [TS]

  i can remember apple doing intentionally [TS]

  like a very matte finish like matte [TS]

  finish white very strange uh and then [TS]

  the monitor let's let the float in the [TS]

  air its essence is that it's thin and [TS]

  free you know and so then they evolved [TS]

  it in the very next revision after the [TS]

  lampshades I didn't do as well as they [TS]

  had hoped they would do uh they said you [TS]

  know we have the technology now to shove [TS]

  the guts on the back of the monitor [TS]

  because then it's not that thick so they [TS]

  show of the guts in the back of the [TS]

  monitor and it was thicker than the old [TS]

  floating monitor on the lampshade but [TS]

  they got progressively thinner they had [TS]

  that little one i like the little brak [TS]

  little black dress model or you know the [TS]

  car in black where they changed the back [TS]

  of the imac to black and in profile it's [TS]

  slimming the girl you see is the silver [TS]

  and the black disappears alright optical [TS]

  illusions it's like when you hold your [TS]

  fingers up in front of your eye and you [TS]

  make a really really tiny little pin [TS]

  hole in it improves your vision that's [TS]

  not not the coalition but yes that's not [TS]

  something you can do yeah alright then [TS]

  they made the back back to all the minim [TS]

  it's pretty thin on the current models [TS]

  alright so then I said nay let's show [TS]

  you the new iMac and they put up a slide [TS]

  that did this very careful reveal of the [TS]

  edge of the imac coming up on the the [TS]

  video on the slide it was super duper [TS]

  thin and they showed the picture of it [TS]

  which is also from that strange awkward [TS]

  kind of angle showing look at this thin [TS]

  edge it's five millimeters thin ah and [TS]

  phil was very excited about that and [TS]

  kept showing it in the show notes i have [TS]

  linked to an image from our technical [TS]

  article which i also linked that is a [TS]

  picture taken by the arse guys when they [TS]

  are at the apple sort of meet and greet [TS]

  play with the hardware type thing and it [TS]

  is not from that very careful angle [TS]

  chosen to show only the thin edge and [TS]

  not the back and you can see the the [TS]

  back end of this thing I tweeted the [TS]

  thing earlier it's like does this [TS]

  aluminum back make me look fat because [TS]

  many angles it looks like there's some [TS]

  sort of bulge or tumor or you know this [TS]

  junk in the trunk in the back of that [TS]

  imac and the the thing about that thin [TS]

  edge it's like what does that buy you [TS]

  it's not a laptop dude do I really care [TS]

  how thin the edge of the imac is if I [TS]

  have to see this big lump in thing from [TS]

  any angle where I happen to see the back [TS]

  now Phil's right he brought up the [TS]

  picture the old ways like look here's [TS]

  the old one doesn't look humongous and [TS]

  thick and ridiculous monks you see the [TS]

  new one and is true it does you look at [TS]

  it from the side you're like oh my it [TS]

  starts to look like the old white imac [TS]

  with everything on the back of the [TS]

  monitor like man that thing just looks [TS]

  like a giant battleship now compared to [TS]

  this new one but at a certain point I [TS]

  wouldn't want it to continue to [TS]

  compromise the the insides of this thing [TS]

  just to get the this the thin edge [TS]

  because like I again beyond aesthetics I [TS]

  just don't see what that buys you but [TS]

  it's purely sort of as a vanity feature [TS]

  it's purely a dozen less of a cool and [TS]

  thin now if the whole thing was that [TS]

  thin like then we're getting somewhere [TS]

  like because then it's like oh that's [TS]

  it's getting crazy really is completely [TS]

  elemental but speaking of the elemental [TS]

  stuff the next part of this which was [TS]

  actually addressed on the thing is the [TS]

  chin lots of people are talking about [TS]

  this and apples like we love the chin [TS]

  the question is why the hell does the [TS]

  imac have a chant at all yeah it is not [TS]

  there's no physical reason like you [TS]

  could put all the guts in the back of it [TS]

  there's nothing in the chin like the [TS]

  chin is health then at this point [TS]

  there's nothing of significance in there [TS]

  you could put everything that's in and [TS]

  I'm a completely behind the screen and [TS]

  it would look like a really cool display [TS]

  yeah do you think that's why they do it [TS]

  so it does not look like a display so [TS]

  this is the distinction between the imac [TS]

  and and display yeah it's kind of weird [TS]

  to me that they insist on that [TS]

  distinction because for their iOS [TS]

  devices they don't do that they don't [TS]

  say we've got of an apple somewhere in [TS]

  the front of this device right they say [TS]

  like the whole front is just like it's [TS]

  you all you see is the screen and if [TS]

  they could you know if they only put [TS]

  edges on there for you to grip and of [TS]

  course you've got the home button but [TS]

  there's no place like dedicated to [TS]

  branding and the chin is dedicated to [TS]

  branding is that it is a differentiation [TS]

  and branding [TS]

  you're not just looking at a monitor [TS]

  this is an entire Apple computer see the [TS]

  apple logo or in the middle there it's [TS]

  an apple computer then chin keeps [TS]

  getting smaller thinner less prominent [TS]

  all that's all good things but maybe [TS]

  they feel like if they take that away [TS]

  there's not enough left to brand the [TS]

  thing as an apple computer or as they [TS]

  think iOS and the devices themselves are [TS]

  iconic enough I might just start to look [TS]

  like a monitor but anyway they did [TS]

  emphasize that the back panel and the [TS]

  chin are now like fuse together with [TS]

  this what is it friction-stir welding [TS]

  some crazy thing to basically make that [TS]

  one piece which leads me to believe i [TS]

  haven't seen not the ifixit teardown yet [TS]

  actually they're not out yet so they [TS]

  can't do one but it leads me to believe [TS]

  that you've got to suction cup the glass [TS]

  display part off and that's how you get [TS]

  it all the insides like the back doesn't [TS]

  come off the front comes off and it's [TS]

  not glass it's fused to the right so the [TS]

  display comes out and then you get it [TS]

  all the guts of the thing now these [TS]

  things are though to some degree a [TS]

  little bit less well the the larger the [TS]

  27-inch one can go up to 32 gigs which [TS]

  is the first time in the history of the [TS]

  imac unlike the the disappointing to you [TS]

  13-inch MacBook Pro which can be only [TS]

  retina which can be only eight this can [TS]

  go up to 32 gigs in a supported Apple [TS]

  configuration and apparently this is the [TS]

  first time that Apple has supported such [TS]

  a configuration that you could have gone [TS]

  with like third-party RAM and upgraded [TS]

  your imac to 32 gigs but it's not [TS]

  supported by apple now it's sank fully [TS]

  sanctioned yeah I think that's just [TS]

  keeping pace with like current Ram [TS]

  requirements like it is ridiculous for [TS]

  any desktop machine to max out at 16 [TS]

  especially like the top of the line [TS]

  because once you get a top-line imac [TS]

  that's starting to get pretty expensive [TS]

  this has led some people as I see like [TS]

  that there the thing that replaces the [TS]

  mac pro for you is just going to be a [TS]

  really really fancy iMac I hope that's [TS]

  not the case because I don't think [TS]

  there's room in the back of a display to [TS]

  put a extremely high-powered full length [TS]

  of video card and you know these imacs [TS]

  their laptops with the giant screen [TS]

  attention exactly using laptop [TS]

  motherboards laptop CPUs laptop GPUs for [TS]

  the most part except for maybe like the [TS]

  very top end one is probably too hot to [TS]

  put [TS]

  any laptop except for some crazy [TS]

  alienware gaming thing but they're not [TS]

  it's not desktop caliber stuff in there [TS]

  it's certainly not the crazy server [TS]

  caliber stuff that's in the Mac Pro's [TS]

  you know ECC ram and server CPUs and all [TS]

  that stuff um still the 21.5 inch on the [TS]

  27-inch i think that the resolutions are [TS]

  the same 2560 x 1440 for the 27-inch the [TS]

  13-inch macbook pro retina has more [TS]

  pixels than the biggest imac you can buy [TS]

  again you know reten I maks-2013 we're [TS]

  still waiting we're talking about that a [TS]

  couple shows ago I didn't think they [TS]

  would be here this year looks like they [TS]

  won't be not really surprising the [TS]

  27-inch is still a nice monitor even [TS]

  when it's not retina but we're all just [TS]

  waiting all right the anti-reflective [TS]

  coating Leah this is the one they [TS]

  emphasize the ID reflective coating on [TS]

  with plasma deposition I like that I [TS]

  like the lamination I like the [TS]

  anti-reflective coating this this imac [TS]

  really is the how Mike really has been [TS]

  getting better and better the you know [TS]

  ignoring the bulge and the thinnest and [TS]

  silliness you sit in front of this thing [TS]

  you just see a big display in front of [TS]

  you it's all one piece it's light yes [TS]

  it's a laptop slap to the back of the [TS]

  monitor but it's a really nice laptop [TS]

  slapped to the back of a really nice [TS]

  money I think I'll have to see in a [TS]

  person to decide how much the Bulge [TS]

  bothers me aesthetically how are you [TS]

  gonna be looking at the Bulge depends if [TS]

  you're in an office you know see people [TS]

  sitting around in the office and people [TS]

  walking around the office they see the [TS]

  backs of these machines a lot I mean [TS]

  Apple makes the backs of them very nice [TS]

  look like I have a 24 inch of Apple LED [TS]

  display at work and most people just see [TS]

  the back of it and the back of it looks [TS]

  nice I think the back of this straight [TS]

  arm will look nice but from the angle it [TS]

  starts to look lump and I'll have to see [TS]

  when a person I don't know and it just [TS]

  bothers me because I'm I worry that if [TS]

  you're gonna make compromises for [TS]

  aesthetics make sure the aesthetics are [TS]

  good right and I'm not sure they're [TS]

  compromising much for the aesthetics but [TS]

  I worry that's the trend like that [TS]

  someday they're going to say let the [TS]

  next one let's make it like the whole [TS]

  thing five millimeters thick well to do [TS]

  that we have to make you know these [TS]

  silly compromises yeah I don't know and [TS]

  at this point also i feel like the leg [TS]

  that holds it up can we should shove the [TS]

  internals into the five millimeter thick [TS]

  legs that holds it up like what is that [TS]

  like doing there seems like wasted space [TS]

  can we get this this screen to levitate [TS]

  it like they're really trying to boil [TS]

  these things down to the [TS]

  most essential like even the leg they [TS]

  tapered the front of the leg like I'm [TS]

  sitting in front of a 23 inch apple [TS]

  cinema display now in the front of its [TS]

  Littlefoot the little input is not [TS]

  tapered it's just as thick but the front [TS]

  edge as it is throughout the entire [TS]

  thing and they several years ago they [TS]

  tapered them all the tapered their the [TS]

  imax and all the monitors stuff like [TS]

  that because they just like how can we [TS]

  reduce this DB even less than their it [TS]

  so that's their mission and they [TS]

  continue to execute on it the dual mics [TS]

  appear on this one you got the USB three [TS]

  two thunderbolt gig Ethernet SD card [TS]

  still there still rocking the SD card of [TS]

  course no optical i don't i wouldn't say [TS]

  all they had to get rid of the optical [TS]

  isn't it so thin no they're getting [TS]

  really have to call no matter what don't [TS]

  don't kid yourself and if it was it for [TS]

  those of you who are stuck in the past [TS]

  this is quoting phil schiller yes you [TS]

  can get an optical drug so no [TS]

  pussyfooting around that if you're stuck [TS]

  in the past you can pay apple $79 for a [TS]

  fifteen dollar drive mechanism and an [TS]

  aluminum case gotta love the margins on [TS]

  that one that's us be your super drive [TS]

  but i mean with the desktop i think it's [TS]

  reasonable like that's what i said to my [TS]

  mother like you know they're getting rid [TS]

  of all the optical drive so this [TS]

  probably gonna be your last machine with [TS]

  an optical drive I said you know they [TS]

  sell an external one just like I'm not [TS]

  going to do that because then if you [TS]

  have laptops you like uses it on a [TS]

  pillow on her lap on the couch in front [TS]

  of the TV you can have this thing [TS]

  dangling off of it off to the side it's [TS]

  just silly but with the desktop if you [TS]

  really need an optical drive you don't [TS]

  have to get the Apple one for 80 bucks [TS]

  likewise another one I'm sure you get [TS]

  something that works but or just get the [TS]

  Apple on for 80 bucks it looks nice and [TS]

  matches the machine but that is reason [TS]

  but you just put it down next to the [TS]

  machine there's nothing else on your [TS]

  desk like this is just what looks like [TS]

  the monitor their wireless mouse and [TS]

  keyboard it's a very clean environment [TS]

  even though I hate that wireless [TS]

  keyboard because of the half-size arrow [TS]

  keys lack of home and end blah blah blah [TS]

  but we and you know you're stuck you're [TS]

  stuck with a keyboard you can't possibly [TS]

  replace it yeah well I like what I'm [TS]

  saying is I wish they had a full the [TS]

  Apple you know aluminum keyboard the [TS]

  full-size one yeah just make a wireless [TS]

  version of that that's exactly you know [TS]

  they used to have that the others right [TS]

  they when they were white and plastic [TS]

  curtain yeah yeah but you didn't do you [TS]

  like those as much as aluminum no I [TS]

  never liked those keyboards in fact my [TS]

  macpro can't the whatever keyboard my [TS]

  macpro came with my keyboard and mouse [TS]

  I didn't have not used for I think any [TS]

  of my tower Macintosh that look like [TS]

  cheese grater I always just leave them [TS]

  in the box and I use my own keyboard and [TS]

  mouse maybe maybe this one I guess the [TS]

  aluminum keyboard i'm using now must [TS]

  have come with this mac pro but i never [TS]

  used those white ones and yeah not not [TS]

  what I like but I think most people like [TS]

  the little tiny wireless keyboard with [TS]

  the half-size our keys maybe they miss [TS]

  home an end of their pc user and or [TS]

  maybe they just figure out the FN key [TS]

  combinations which I also hate but [TS]

  anyway I think it's a reasonable default [TS]

  and I believe you can still choose give [TS]

  me a wired full-size keyboard that's the [TS]

  thing when you have a friend buying an [TS]

  imac and you know they're not going to [TS]

  like that thank you little keyboard [TS]

  don't forget when you order it from [TS]

  online change the option for the [TS]

  keyboard what people don't think to do [TS]

  and they end up with this keyboard they [TS]

  have to buy second one I feel sad all [TS]

  right but the most interesting feature [TS]

  of the za of the iMac which maybe you [TS]

  want to responsibly where we talk about [TS]

  is the fusion dry fusion drive I was [TS]

  hoping you would talk about the fusion [TS]

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  much to accom all right let's talk about [TS]

  fusion oh I i sent you anything no [TS]

  yelling before the show d I'm ready I [TS]

  got it ready alright so I'll google [TS]

  entry so on hypercritical episode 17 [TS]

  mysteriously titled intruding gooseneck [TS]

  this was from may of 2011 we talked a [TS]

  lot about storage and hard drives versus [TS]

  SSDs and mandles whole thing about SSD [TS]

  rely reliability and at one point in the [TS]

  show we were discussing how you can like [TS]

  manually set up storage to divvy it up [TS]

  between whether you want put everything [TS]

  just like your iPhoto library and a big [TS]

  disk could put the OS on an SSD and [TS]

  stuff like that and so here's what I had [TS]

  to say it's some point during that [TS]

  conversation what you would want I mean [TS]

  if you had to just describe the ideal [TS]

  situation what you want is look I want [TS]

  to install these two things I can get [TS]

  lots of storage cheaply on a spinning [TS]

  disk and I can get lots of fast storage [TS]

  or you know less fast storage on an SSD [TS]

  so I want to stick both these things [TS]

  into my computer because I feel like you [TS]

  know it's economically feasible and what [TS]

  I want to happen is to the computer to [TS]

  put the things that I frequently use on [TS]

  the SSD and the things that I less [TS]

  fescue me use on the other drive and I [TS]

  don't want things to be spread across [TS]

  both of them I wanted to just manage my [TS]

  storage in a way that makes the overall [TS]

  the net effect is my machine feels [TS]

  faster than it would have had just had a [TS]

  spinning drive but has the same amount [TS]

  of storage or more than it would if it [TS]

  had an SSD yeah so in that clip i just [TS]

  go i have my ideal scenario and what [TS]

  apple has shipped today are is going to [TS]

  ship one [TS]

  fusion drive imax are available is [TS]

  pretty much what i described from you [TS]

  know i didn't talk about specific [TS]

  implantation but from a practical [TS]

  perspective what you want is that [TS]

  solution that people who know how to use [TS]

  some links and are you know computer and [TS]

  ernie can already make for themselves [TS]

  like they'll get a mac that has an SSD [TS]

  and attached spinning hard disks to it [TS]

  and they'll figure out what do i want on [TS]

  the SSD what I want on the hard drive [TS]

  and I'll use symlinks to make it look [TS]

  like one volume and that's kind of [TS]

  annoying to do and you got to be careful [TS]

  that you don't anger any programs that [TS]

  really don't expect those some links to [TS]

  be there one of the common scenarios is [TS]

  if you like update a program that has [TS]

  some symlinks internally inside it and [TS]

  its data files that when you upgraded it [TS]

  overwrites your symlink with a new [TS]

  folder and it loses the connection and [TS]

  there's all sorts of nuances and details [TS]

  that are specific to the applications [TS]

  whose guts your sim linking that you [TS]

  have to be aware of and it's definitely [TS]

  a nerd endeavor and even then even if [TS]

  you're willing to put in the time and [TS]

  energy to do that type of setup which [TS]

  historically i have not been willing to [TS]

  do this is just too much of a hassle for [TS]

  me even if you do all that it's still [TS]

  kind of like you're at the mercy of your [TS]

  own decisions uh and so if you [TS]

  continually use something off the [TS]

  spinning disk it's like ah I wish this [TS]

  was me SSD but now you know you just use [TS]

  a week after week in like oh I got to go [TS]

  i can remember to get set the symlinks [TS]

  that's not there anymore but my SSD is [TS]

  getting full so maybe you have to move [TS]

  something else that i don't use that [TS]

  often it's just a humongous hassle you [TS]

  want the operating system to do this for [TS]

  you and that is the promise of fusion [TS]

  drive you can order an iMac and a mac [TS]

  mini and it will come with a 128 gig SSD [TS]

  like one of those little stick SSDs that [TS]

  are in the same connector they use in [TS]

  the heirs and the other laptops and [TS]

  stuff like that not like a 2.5 inches is [TS]

  the kind of drive replacement thing and [TS]

  also a one terabyte or 3 terabyte [TS]

  regular spinning hard drive and the [TS]

  operating system will make them look [TS]

  like one disk to you and it will move [TS]

  your frequently used stuff onto the SSD [TS]

  when it comes out of the box everything [TS]

  is on the SSD so you're starting off [TS]

  with like that first that first launch [TS]

  experience is going to be really really [TS]

  fast because everything is going to be [TS]

  SSD you might as well it's as if you [TS]

  bought just a plain SSDI mac and then as [TS]

  you use your other software [TS]

  if you don't use some application that's [TS]

  on the SSD it will be migrated back to [TS]

  the spinning disk and if you do install [TS]

  some new software and constantly use it [TS]

  that will be migrated to the SS Dean you [TS]

  don't have to do this and you don't have [TS]

  to say oh I've decided this always has [TS]

  to be there and that owes has to be [TS]

  another place the operating system does [TS]

  note what you do and and you know keep a [TS]

  certain amount of available free space [TS]

  and not overflow the SSD and your [TS]

  shuffle stuff around and I think that's [TS]

  a really great experience in terms of [TS]

  performance and what you get for your [TS]

  money because like we're all brothers [TS]

  and pass shows were all just waiting for [TS]

  you know affordable one or two terabyte [TS]

  as steel like that would hold all my [TS]

  stuff but our stuff keeps growing and [TS]

  even though the price of SSDs keep [TS]

  coming down or just it's taking a long [TS]

  time for them to match up in the end by [TS]

  the way the size of hard drives keeps [TS]

  going up and the price keeps going down [TS]

  and hard drives as well so it's like [TS]

  well maybe maybe it's just never going [TS]

  to turn that corner or Never but you [TS]

  know maybe that turning that car is [TS]

  going to take longer than we thought so [TS]

  let's do something in the interim to [TS]

  have some sort of hybrid solution this [TS]

  is definitely looks like a feature that [TS]

  you would expect to wait for a major [TS]

  operating system update but the fact [TS]

  that it's being released now makes me [TS]

  think that they wanted it to be ready [TS]

  for mountain lion and it just wasn't [TS]

  yeah and the the evidence in this [TS]

  direction is that the wdc session on [TS]

  file systems I think I told this story [TS]

  before when I was like coming into it as [TS]

  I was coming from lunch or whatever and [TS]

  everyone told me all in the beginning of [TS]

  this thing they said something that they [TS]

  they said they had something that he [TS]

  wished I could talk about that they [TS]

  couldn't then they did the rest of the [TS]

  presentation and i went back and watch [TS]

  the WIC video and they do this little [TS]

  tease in the beginning like oh you know [TS]

  so the file system there's some new [TS]

  stuff that we can't really tell you [TS]

  about but here's like a review of the [TS]

  stuff we talked about last year and [TS]

  presumably that this was the stuff that [TS]

  they couldn't talk about and that makes [TS]

  me think like those guys like really [TS]

  wish that they had it ready for mountain [TS]

  lion because then they could have talked [TS]

  about at wwc but at by the time WC [TS]

  rolled around they said you not going to [TS]

  make it you're going to get pushed off [TS]

  oh god dude we gotta wait for 10.9 no [TS]

  you don't we'll do a mid you a major OS [TS]

  feature and a mid-year OS update tied to [TS]

  a single machine or two machines in this [TS]

  case so that is pretty weird an [TS]

  unprecedented but it just shows that [TS]

  Apple if it's important enough Apple [TS]

  will not hold its features for major OS [TS]

  revision just say you know what forget [TS]

  it would just work [TS]

  from the imac the imax coming out we [TS]

  wanted to have fusion drive same thing [TS]

  with the mac mini let's just ship it [TS]

  with presumably ten point eight point [TS]

  three or whatever they're going to all [TS]

  the ten point a point to has some [TS]

  support for it baked into it already uh [TS]

  now the question on everyone's mind is [TS]

  all right so that's the high-level [TS]

  overview of how this works that's the [TS]

  experience the user gets fine but how [TS]

  does this actually work internally there [TS]

  have been lots of other solutions that [TS]

  try to combine cheap big capacity [TS]

  spinning storage with much more [TS]

  expensive smaller capacity solid-state [TS]

  storage to give you sort of a hybrid [TS]

  solution one of the early ones is the [TS]

  these hybrid hard drives it would be [TS]

  like a regular spinning hard drive it [TS]

  looks just like a regular spinning hard [TS]

  drive but on the little circuit board [TS]

  that's attached to the top of the hard [TS]

  drive there is some amount of flash yeah [TS]

  yeah not a lot like the one the one i've [TS]

  heard a lot about and read reviews of [TS]

  back in the day was the seagate momentus [TS]

  xt comes with four gigs of flash on the [TS]

  thing is a review i linked in the show [TS]

  notes from an antec from 2010 that's [TS]

  when this drive came out at least when [TS]

  it was reviewed and on this drive the [TS]

  the flash memory the little SSD on the [TS]

  circuit board acts like a reed cash so [TS]

  any time you read some information it [TS]

  goes in that read cache and it read it [TS]

  again it doesn't have to go back to the [TS]

  spinning disk it's already in that [TS]

  little cash there and it's a persistent [TS]

  cash so like you could turn the drive [TS]

  off and turn it's not like just like a [TS]

  ram cash because all drives have [TS]

  something a ram buffer that's like you [TS]

  know 16 megabytes 13 mega for gig SSD [TS]

  that will hold your most recent reads [TS]

  but rights avoided that s is the entire [TS]

  leap you wrote it just went directly to [TS]

  the spinning disk it did not write into [TS]

  the the flash memory so your rights were [TS]

  just as slow as they would be on a [TS]

  spinning dish but your reads for the [TS]

  stuff that you read often in theory [TS]

  would be faster I was kind of surprised [TS]

  when I read the sign and tech review [TS]

  because the original reviews i had read [TS]

  for back in 2010 we're like yeah like [TS]

  it's all right but it's not like if you [TS]

  really want good performance get an [TS]

  actual SSD and it's kind of expensive [TS]

  and like it didn't seem like a good [TS]

  compromise like the four gigs isn't that [TS]

  much and you kind of have to do stuff [TS]

  with it's sort of prime the pump and [TS]

  there are times when you can knock out [TS]

  contents of that four gig cash if you're [TS]

  not careful or if your ass isn't savvy [TS]

  or the firmware isn't good where you [TS]

  just read some big file like they do [TS]

  they do things to try to make it not [TS]

  have these bad conditions but it's app [TS]

  it's a dedicated piece of hardware that [TS]

  like as far as your computers can start [TS]

  it just looks like a hard drive that has [TS]

  weird performance characteristics but [TS]

  there's no operating system involvement [TS]

  it so there's only so much you can do [TS]

  and you're sort of at the whims of the [TS]

  firmware to be intelligent about [TS]

  managing that little 4 gigs of NAND [TS]

  flash on the thing of something I read [TS]

  and tech review that I wasn't robe is [TS]

  that if you defrag your hard disk that [TS]

  resets all of the the knowledge about [TS]

  what should be in the flash memory kind [TS]

  of makes some sense because it's [TS]

  probably done at a hardware level like [TS]

  which you know logical addresses are [TS]

  cached on the cash and which or not and [TS]

  if you fiddle with all those logical [TS]

  addresses since rights don't go through [TS]

  the flash memory now you're screwed with [TS]

  their cash and it resets things but I [TS]

  never liked that I looked into those [TS]

  when they were available and I thought [TS]

  this is not a good compromise for me in [TS]

  terms of price versus performance the [TS]

  next thing that came along this is in [TS]

  May of 2011 is that Intel's chip set I [TS]

  don't keep up with Intel chipsets but [TS]

  for the PC world if you're into you know [TS]

  building your mother boards are worrying [TS]

  about what motherboard you think has [TS]

  until z68 chips that include something [TS]

  called Smart Response technologies SRT [TS]

  which does not stand for street racing [TS]

  technology or the car fans out there and [TS]

  again I'll link to the antec review of [TS]

  this and this is unlike seagates thing [TS]

  because both reads and writes go through [TS]

  the the SRT system SRD system would let [TS]

  you hook up like an actual SSD and an [TS]

  actual hard drive and they would try to [TS]

  like use them both to make your thing [TS]

  faster so rights would go through there [TS]

  and so would reads but this was more of [TS]

  like a cash rather than what fusion is [TS]

  apparently doing so it had two different [TS]

  modes one of the modes was it would [TS]

  behave like a right through cash where [TS]

  every time you write you have to write [TS]

  to the SSD and you have to write to the [TS]

  hard drive the spinning disk before you [TS]

  before you're done so that would make [TS]

  your rights all exactly it slow as your [TS]

  hard drive because that's going to be [TS]

  the gating factor but it would mean that [TS]

  every time you did it right if you did [TS]

  subsequent to read you could read that [TS]

  the SSD because it was put there when it [TS]

  was written and what does the other mode [TS]

  the other mode is like a ripe right back [TS]

  thing we're able do the rights to the [TS]

  SSD and then eventually those rights [TS]

  will go on to the spinning disk and [TS]

  that's slightly more dangerous because [TS]

  what if you do it right to the SSD and [TS]

  then something happens before work is [TS]

  written back to the disk then you know [TS]

  you've lost that data because if the SSD [TS]

  is dead or something like that in all [TS]

  these scenarios described so far the [TS]

  size of the storage you have is equal to [TS]

  the size of the spinning disk so on the [TS]

  SRT thing since it's just used as a cash [TS]

  if you have a one terabyte hard drive [TS]

  and then like a you know SRT excellent [TS]

  lets you use 64 gigs of some SSD or [TS]

  something you have a one terabyte of [TS]

  storage it just uses 64 gigs of your SSD [TS]

  as cash up to 64 gigs so if you have a [TS]

  much bigger SSD you can divide your SSD [TS]

  64 gigs is used for caching for your [TS]

  spinning disk and the rest of the SSD is [TS]

  use just plain old SSD that shows up as [TS]

  a different volume and that's the [TS]

  maximum you can use there but it doesn't [TS]

  increase the size of your thing because [TS]

  any data that's on the SSD in theory [TS]

  with the right back mode you know [TS]

  eventually but in the other mode always [TS]

  will be on your spinning disk your [TS]

  spinning disk is where your date is and [TS]

  is adjust the performance enhancement in [TS]

  no time do you need this SSD for your [TS]

  system to work provided every right [TS]

  that's on it has been written out to the [TS]

  the spinning disk now the fusion drive [TS]

  one is like what it says fusion [TS]

  combination of the two things if you get [TS]

  a fusion drive and you get 128 gig SSD [TS]

  plus a one terabyte hard drive your [TS]

  total volume size is one point two [TS]

  terabytes it it's the union of all that [TS]

  storage the stuff that's on the SSD is [TS]

  not on the spinning disk and the stuff [TS]

  that's on the spinning disk is not on [TS]

  the SSD plus or minus any ferrying in [TS]

  between all right ah and that is a [TS]

  different scenario than both of these uh [TS]

  that an attack was the only one to get [TS]

  the first one to get any details out of [TS]

  this visit like Apple didn't really [TS]

  reveal any details there weren't any [TS]

  white papers up but they talked to the [TS]

  people in the press room afterwards and [TS]

  he found enough people to give them some [TS]

  information about the thing [TS]

  the most interesting technically the [TS]

  hell he got is that there's a 4 gigabyte [TS]

  write buffer on the SSD so that anytime [TS]

  anything is written to the the fusion [TS]

  drive the union of these two things it's [TS]

  written into that right buffer which [TS]

  means that your rights are really fast [TS]

  right and eventually those rights to [TS]

  that buffer get either spilled over onto [TS]

  the spinning disk or kept on the SSD [TS]

  according to whatever policy that the [TS]

  thing is using to decide what stays in [TS]

  the SSD and what doesn't so this has the [TS]

  advantage of that right back mode of SRT [TS]

  where your rights aren't gated by the [TS]

  speed of the spinning disk you can write [TS]

  really really quickly because all your [TS]

  rights just go to the SSD that data may [TS]

  eventually ends up on the spinning disk [TS]

  due to whatever policy they use but it [TS]

  doesn't necessarily have to be and of [TS]

  course the reads if you're reading [TS]

  something that's on the SSD you get fast [TS]

  as these read speeds if you're reading [TS]

  something that's on the sping disk you [TS]

  get the speed of the spinning disk so [TS]

  many people speculated that all Apple is [TS]

  doing is using this is a 68 chipset and [TS]

  and i'm using srt and i don't think [TS]

  that's the case it doesn't make any [TS]

  sense to me that they would do that in [TS]

  fact Apple has a history of using [TS]

  chipsets from Intel and you know its own [TS]

  yeah integrated circuits on its own [TS]

  motherboards did it they're made in the [TS]

  past and it simply does not use all the [TS]

  features of them like there'll be some [TS]

  sort of you know SATA raid support in [TS]

  some controller chip on some apple [TS]

  motherboard but that's not you can't use [TS]

  that that's not exposed maybe even the [TS]

  pins aren't even connected like you know [TS]

  dolby digital 5.1 sound is embedded in [TS]

  some chip that they happen to use as [TS]

  part of some Intel chipset and they [TS]

  don't use it right so even if Apple use [TS]

  chipsets that have this SRT stuff I [TS]

  think it'll be perfectly within Apple's [TS]

  usual pattern so does not use it like [TS]

  they're doing their own thing here so [TS]

  this is not SRT the description of how [TS]

  it behaves is different than how SRT [TS]

  behaves even in the right back mode is [TS]

  different this is the union of two [TS]

  drives what are the details are there on [TS]

  this from the antec article oh you have [TS]

  a sound bite for this one I should not [TS]

  have a sound bite for this one he asked [TS]

  them if there was any any user interface [TS]

  for managing the fusion drive within the [TS]

  operating system and they said no [TS]

  I'm assuming eventually the command line [TS]

  tools that deal with this type of stuff [TS]

  will be there but no GUI for it the next [TS]

  bit of information i saw that had real [TS]

  sourcing was from LG e RB arg it's a [TS]

  username and a comment on an ARS [TS]

  technica article i've linked to the link [TS]

  to the ARS technica hour ago as well [TS]

  that as a description of fusion drive [TS]

  with more details and this is this is [TS]

  our think there's great promoted [TS]

  comments feature like ARS technica has [TS]

  some really good commenters people who [TS]

  really know what they're talking about [TS]

  but to see their stuff you'd have to [TS]

  like wade through a seven-page comment [TS]

  thread and like find the one guy that's [TS]

  good and now that the editors and [TS]

  authors at arstechnica have the ability [TS]

  to say oh that's a great comment on [TS]

  promoting that so right underneath an [TS]

  ARS technica story there'll be a little [TS]

  box that calls out the one or two [TS]

  comments that actually are worth reading [TS]

  you know there actually are good and so [TS]

  this is a he gives some confirmation of [TS]

  I think what everyone suspected he says [TS]

  I am a hundred percent certain this is [TS]

  hfs+ sitting on top of course storage [TS]

  based on comments made to me by certain [TS]

  former co-workers who are still at apple [TS]

  mmm yeah I think he used to broken up [TS]

  alright so course storage did I put a [TS]

  link to than the Shone's I should course [TS]

  Torridge is Apple's a logical volume [TS]

  manager kind of thing it was introduced [TS]

  in lyon they used it to do FileVault 2 [TS]

  which is their file their whole disk [TS]

  encryption thing and it's sort of a [TS]

  layer you say on TV says hfs+ sitting on [TS]

  top of course storage i would say core [TS]

  storage hiding hfs+ behind the scenes [TS]

  but bottom line is this is not a new [TS]

  file system core storage i think i [TS]

  talked about in a line review if you [TS]

  read the man pages back in line you see [TS]

  oh I can make a union volume out of like [TS]

  I can I can take one disk and others can [TS]

  make them look like a single disk that [TS]

  is the equivalent of both of the things [TS]

  that sounds like raid 0 but it would be [TS]

  like an entirely software based thing [TS]

  it's it's logical volume management [TS]

  logical volume management is something [TS]

  from the UNIX worlds from you know [TS]

  decades ago where you could take but you [TS]

  could address storage not as the [TS]

  physical spinning drives but as logical [TS]

  entities that may contain like the [TS]

  logical physical thing was separated you [TS]

  may have for physical drives but you can [TS]

  may split that up into three logical [TS]

  volumes each of which span the four [TS]

  different drives like it's different [TS]

  than raid it's different than the [TS]

  strategy for spreading your data in some [TS]

  regimented pattern it's more flexible [TS]

  it's just do [TS]

  it's just do [TS]

  dealing with storage in a more flexible [TS]

  manner so with FileVault 2 they just [TS]

  used it to say okay well we need we need [TS]

  something in between hfs+ which has no [TS]

  knowledge of how 5 volt to works right [TS]

  and and the rest of the system to [TS]

  intercept all the data blocks and [TS]

  encrypt them and as far as applications [TS]

  are concerned they have no idea that [TS]

  they're running on an encrypted disk [TS]

  they just see you know a regular disk [TS]

  all the data is decrypted to them they [TS]

  don't have to change hrs + thanks [TS]

  la-dee-da I'm just doing my thing core [TS]

  storage is the magic that intercepts all [TS]

  those blocks and decrypts and encrypts [TS]

  thumbs on reads and writes that's how it [TS]

  can like magically encrypt your disc [TS]

  while you're working in the background [TS]

  because it's just sort of course towards [TS]

  gone shuffling stuff around and moving [TS]

  it all over the place and H of the H of [TS]

  S Plus code is all unaware your [TS]

  applications are all unaware and it all [TS]

  happens behind the scenes and I think in [TS]

  my Mountain line review were somewhere i [TS]

  talked about how what cord storage has [TS]

  to do to do its current job of just [TS]

  doing the encryption stuffing on a [TS]

  single volume is be able to manage like [TS]

  allocations of blocks of data across [TS]

  physical storage and keep track of where [TS]

  they all are and efficiently handle them [TS]

  and stuff like that and how that's not [TS]

  that far off from what a file system I [TS]

  need to do so I you know I feel that H [TS]

  of S Plus it's terrible it's old it [TS]

  needs to go if Apple has a new file [TS]

  system in the offing we don't know about [TS]

  it yet they looked at ZFS that didn't [TS]

  work out if they have a new one who [TS]

  knows but like course storage the [TS]

  technology used to make course storage a [TS]

  lot of that same technology would be [TS]

  applicable to making your own file [TS]

  system not the core storage currently [TS]

  become a file system but that the [TS]

  technology in it could be used to [TS]

  develop your own file system and so in [TS]

  this comment he el lugar berg says is [TS]

  very explicit about that he says if you [TS]

  disassemble the existing course toward [TS]

  driver and by the way court like i said [TS]

  core storage has been around since line [TS]

  it's on your disk and now it's used to [TS]

  do FileVault 2 you can read the man [TS]

  pages and learn about concatenated [TS]

  drives and see how buggy and incomplete [TS]

  the implementation is but he says if you [TS]

  disassemble that driver of course you [TS]

  don't have the source code to up so you [TS]

  do and run disassembly on the library's [TS]

  you will see a complete copy on write b [TS]

  + tree implementation [TS]

  based on a paper that he links a paper [TS]

  from usenix ah what's this guy's name [TS]

  but I head in the show notes from [TS]

  somebody well I gotta look it up no show [TS]

  notes where are you it is bad ohad road [TS]

  however I thought it look it up he's [TS]

  going to mangle his name Oh a JD that's [TS]

  his first name it's like his last name [TS]

  is ro d eh and he wrote this paper about [TS]

  how to make b-trees amenable to copy and [TS]

  right and we had a whole show about this [TS]

  in the past it was hypercritical episode [TS]

  56 computational skeuomorphism where we [TS]

  talked about ZFS butter FS which i also [TS]

  like to prance btrfs block-level dips [TS]

  the duplication time machine all sorts [TS]

  of file systems stuff and the big [TS]

  breakthrough the mix butter FS possible [TS]

  is are these copy and write be trees [TS]

  like the entire thing is based on that's [TS]

  why it's called btrfs be tree file [TS]

  system like they decided they can make [TS]

  one really awesome data structure that [TS]

  is suitable for many different needs [TS]

  based on some very recent breakthroughs [TS]

  in computer science theory and build a [TS]

  whole file system off of it so you can [TS]

  listen that episode of you want to learn [TS]

  about butter FS but I course storage has [TS]

  an implementation of those kinds of data [TS]

  structures and it uses it to do its job [TS]

  and it says a continuing the comment [TS]

  they use that in order to implement [TS]

  their the logical volume manager to do [TS]

  things like reshuffling data around the [TS]

  disk between different representation [TS]

  and additionally supports transactions [TS]

  and roll backs something else we [TS]

  discussed on hypercritical 56 where [TS]

  either all your changes to the file [TS]

  system are committed or none of them are [TS]

  support for that in the data structures [TS]

  themselves you can safely update things [TS]

  continuing the comment there are enough [TS]

  tools there to build all sorts of things [TS]

  from simple read write caching to write [TS]

  through caching which is transactionally [TS]

  aware and would survive an SSD fail [TS]

  you're only losing the data on the SSD [TS]

  that you would not yet made it back to [TS]

  the hard drive but leaving the hard [TS]

  drive and coherent state additionally [TS]

  could extend the existing hotfile [TS]

  support to hit things into car storage [TS]

  and it includes if I had to guess I [TS]

  would assume the current implementation [TS]

  is not super ambitious while car storage [TS]

  itself is quite complex it is clearly [TS]

  designed to support some impressive [TS]

  storage needs that Apple has been quite [TS]

  deliberate and cautious about rolling [TS]

  out [TS]

  [Music] [TS]

  that's my assessment as well that this [TS]

  fusion drive and the things Apple does [TS]

  with the file system are very sort of [TS]

  pragmatic low-tech and cautious even [TS]

  though course storage may have all sorts [TS]

  of interesting advanced possibilities [TS]

  and technology and stuff they like to do [TS]

  things kind of dumb reliable predictable [TS]

  way at least initially before diving [TS]

  into something complicated so hfs+ is [TS]

  still there they're not going to try to [TS]

  do this with the file system all at once [TS]

  they're going to do this with a logical [TS]

  volume manager it's going to happen at [TS]

  the OS level the OS is going to decide [TS]

  you know it's going to keep track of [TS]

  what files use frequently decide when to [TS]

  move them back and forth having [TS]

  transactional be trees and stuff like [TS]

  that they may be using that to say okay [TS]

  when I move things but I need to use it [TS]

  I can just say look when I want to move [TS]

  something from one disk to the other [TS]

  copy it completely to the new location [TS]

  and don't delete it off the old one [TS]

  until I'm sure it's been copied [TS]

  completely to the new location that and [TS]

  that way they can move data from one [TS]

  drive to the other behind the scenes [TS]

  without disturbing you with safety but [TS]

  you know any mentions because the whole [TS]

  thread and the ARS technica I was like [TS]

  is this working like SRT is it working [TS]

  like those those hybrid drive mechanisms [TS]

  is that the right through cash is it [TS]

  doing this is doing that I'm not sure [TS]

  that anyone anyone could come to a [TS]

  conclusion because we don't know with a [TS]

  hundred percent uncertainty but I [TS]

  believe everything that I've read the [TS]

  speculation that I've read that it works [TS]

  as I described it it's the union of the [TS]

  two pieces of information and for [TS]

  example if you've lost the entire SSD [TS]

  you lost all the data that's on that SSD [TS]

  that data is not on the spinning hard [TS]

  drive and at same by the same token if [TS]

  you lose the spinning disk obviously all [TS]

  the data that's on there you lost as [TS]

  well it's not acting as a cache you lose [TS]

  either one of these things it's it's [TS]

  it's gone and that's like not a super [TS]

  high-tech fancy solution that's you know [TS]

  it's just like raid0 between the two [TS]

  things over 800 people know where you [TS]

  stripe data across different disks but [TS]

  it's not nice nothing like right 0 but [TS]

  anyway it is like raid 0 in with the [TS]

  respect that if you lose one disk you've [TS]

  lost your whole thing and people don't [TS]

  like that because when you have one [TS]

  thing and it has some chance of failure [TS]

  if you add another component even if it [TS]

  has the equal or lesser chance to fail [TS]

  your overall chance of failure is [TS]

  increased because all you need used to [TS]

  have just one thing that go wrong [TS]

  if either one goes wrong you're going to [TS]

  get a failure so adding components to a [TS]

  system non redundantly increases your [TS]

  chance of failure possibly by just small [TS]

  amount but it's there I think that [TS]

  trade-off is worth it in this case [TS]

  because I have you know raid is not a [TS]

  backup and neither would it be if this [TS]

  was like a write cache you actually need [TS]

  a backup because you know you can't say [TS]

  well if it's just used as a cash I [TS]

  wouldn't need a backup yeah you still [TS]

  need a backup this scenario you need to [TS]

  back up even more but I think you should [TS]

  have a background matter what anyway so [TS]

  I don't ding the solution for being more [TS]

  fragile at an error-prone ah then it [TS]

  would be if it was just uses cash simply [TS]

  because I think you need to back up no [TS]

  matter what and I will gladly take the [TS]

  increased performance of this setup in [TS]

  exchange for having to have a backup [TS]

  which I think you have to have any way [TS]

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  all right more technical details also [TS]

  getting our poor back to the low-tech [TS]

  implementation the the operating system [TS]

  sees two drives connected your computer [TS]

  if you go to like the system information [TS]

  thing it doesn't look like those just [TS]

  you know it looks like one on your [TS]

  desktop but if you go to the system [TS]

  information thing it sees SSD connects [TS]

  to whatever bus and the spaying [TS]

  disconnected as well they're treated as [TS]

  a single disk in a software layer so [TS]

  it's not like here the OS is not fooled [TS]

  by this one question that hasn't been [TS]

  answered is say you're not you don't [TS]

  want this fusion drive thing like aah [TS]

  that's not for me can you like you know [TS]

  reformat both of them and end up with [TS]

  just a separate 128 gig SSD and a [TS]

  separate spinning disk I assume you can [TS]

  because i think that is connected [TS]

  directly and if you don't want that you [TS]

  don't want it Apple itself posted a tech [TS]

  note whatever thing about the mac mini [TS]

  and the imac about fusion drive that has [TS]

  a fact that answers a bunch of questions [TS]

  one of them is can you take an external [TS]

  drive and add to the fusion drive uh-huh [TS]

  writers external drives cannot be added [TS]

  to fusion drive that strikes me as one [TS]

  of those limitations that like you know [TS]

  they're being really cautious they [TS]

  rolling us out slowly the core storage [TS]

  itself again from the command line now [TS]

  you can make a bunch of disk images and [TS]

  attempt to join them together into a [TS]

  single volume that appears to your [TS]

  operating system and mount it sometimes [TS]

  the kind of work sometimes doesn't last [TS]

  time I tried it I have to confess i [TS]

  think was background lion that i tried [TS]

  it and it was super buggy but sometimes [TS]

  it would sort of work maybe it works [TS]

  better now maybe we'll continue to work [TS]

  better this course storage has a general [TS]

  purpose system for joining drives [TS]

  together but the user interface exposed [TS]

  this is going to be like no we're not [TS]

  we're not ready for that yet all we're [TS]

  willing to support at this point is [TS]

  these specific drives that come with [TS]

  these specific max in this exact [TS]

  configuration we QA those we know that [TS]

  works there anything else all bets are [TS]

  off so the fact says no you just can't [TS]

  add an external drive I suspect if you [TS]

  tried to enforce it too might sort of [TS]

  work but might not but it's not a [TS]

  supporting configuration so you know [TS]

  their answer is just no no you can't do [TS]

  that can you partition a fusion drive if [TS]

  you have this this one [TS]

  what does it mean to partition it what [TS]

  do you what are you partitioning are you [TS]

  part like are you shaving a bit off the [TS]

  SSD or something like that the answer to [TS]

  that question is you can add one [TS]

  partition to the hard disk part of the [TS]

  fusion drive only and again this is a [TS]

  type of thing like what what's making [TS]

  this limitation the GUI probably like if [TS]

  you if you wanted to use the command [TS]

  line tools try to something different [TS]

  you probably could and it would probably [TS]

  not quite work the way you wanted and [TS]

  all your data would be hosed and you [TS]

  would be sad but but again these are not [TS]

  underlying limitations the underlying [TS]

  technology they're kind of limitations [TS]

  of the implementation or just like [TS]

  little fences to keep you from hosing [TS]

  yourself running into buggy code so in [TS]

  Disk Utility you can add a partition to [TS]

  the hard disk and that's it in just one [TS]

  partition and that's it if you create a [TS]

  hard disk partition is that part of the [TS]

  fusion drive nope it's the separate disk [TS]

  no participation in the fusion drive SSD [TS]

  thing or whatever you take a partition [TS]

  of your hard disk it's just like a [TS]

  normal partition of your hard disk can [TS]

  you add a windows partitions like what [TS]

  does this always has to do with boot [TS]

  camp can i still do boot camp yeah you [TS]

  can you you know you can create a that [TS]

  one partition you ready to use the boot [TS]

  camp assistant you will have bootcamp [TS]

  boot again you're when you reboot from [TS]

  that boot camp partition it will not use [TS]

  the SSD part of the it's not part of the [TS]

  fusion drives just a regular spinning [TS]

  disk because Windows has no awareness of [TS]

  that confusion drive be mounted another [TS]

  system and target disk boat so if you [TS]

  reboot your iMac and target disk mode [TS]

  and connect it to another Mac can it can [TS]

  your imac show up as a hard drive on [TS]

  that other mac that's target disk mode [TS]

  yes you can do this but only if the [TS]

  machine that you're using to mount the [TS]

  drive is running 10 82 or later so it [TS]

  shows that n82 has some awareness of [TS]

  this course storage fusion drive stuff [TS]

  to be able to see that imac as a single [TS]

  hard drive that is made up of the SSD [TS]

  and the other thing and angus because [TS]

  you know that that's the reason you know [TS]

  this is some sort of course storage [TS]

  feature and not like oak some crazy no [TS]

  file system because 1082 doesn't have a [TS]

  crazy new file system but it does of [TS]

  course storage and it's had it for years [TS]

  you know can third-party disk utility to [TS]

  be used with the fusion drive the answer [TS]

  to that question is they should have put [TS]

  one word maybe that the longer the [TS]

  longer answers third-party disk [TS]

  utilities may or may not with fusion [TS]

  work with Fusion Drive thanks a lot [TS]

  Apple check with your third-party [TS]

  software vendor for compatibility [TS]

  yeah so I would not buy one of these [TS]

  autumn acts with Fusion Drive and then [TS]

  just take your favorite disk utility and [TS]

  run it on it blindly ah because I think [TS]

  bad things might happen I mean how long [TS]

  before some mean like you're talking [TS]

  about like diskwarrior or something like [TS]

  that yeah it really depends on how low [TS]

  level these things are because obviously [TS]

  anything that gets down and dirty and [TS]

  says all right step aside operating [TS]

  system I I'm gonna do some disc work [TS]

  here and I'm gonna look at this disc I [TS]

  know all about H of S Plus now don't [TS]

  bother me I know all about it let me [TS]

  just check it out and I can repair your [TS]

  thing right that is not going to work [TS]

  the way you expect because step aside [TS]

  operating system means Africa's like but [TS]

  wait no you don't know what you're [TS]

  looking at it's not an actual it's a and [TS]

  then you know you hoes your disc it the [TS]

  intervening layer of course storage is [TS]

  important in the scenario now obviously [TS]

  drive and disk utility renders I'm sure [TS]

  we'll update their disk utilities to be [TS]

  aware of fusion drive and do not hos [TS]

  them and do all the right things it [TS]

  could be something as simple as though [TS]

  it appears like the boot sectors on this [TS]

  spinning disk or incorrect I'll fix that [TS]

  for you and you know now you just [TS]

  screwed it up because Tunisian drives [TS]

  look a little bit different and you just [TS]

  host it because you use all your being [TS]

  helpful and repairing it to make sure [TS]

  you could boot from them but really it [TS]

  boots from this union of the two drives [TS]

  it's not quite the same thing I'm using [TS]

  video capture software and it reports [TS]

  framerate drops during sustained [TS]

  captures what could be wrong there's [TS]

  another example of a great apple faq the [TS]

  answer this question is uh the drives [TS]

  too slow that's what's wrong yeah so [TS]

  here's the long description your [TS]

  projects capture requirements may exceed [TS]

  this sustained capture it available to [TS]

  your fusion drive that's just a [TS]

  restatement of the problem yes that's [TS]

  what he's saying I'm trying to capture [TS]

  video is not working it's not working [TS]

  because you can't capture video cuz it's [TS]

  too slow yeah try captioning a smaller [TS]

  segments source or reduces resolution or [TS]

  try buying a mac pro who doesn't exist [TS]

  and connecting a thunderbolt drive to it [TS]

  that has enough through but I'm sorry [TS]

  you can't do that either yeah i mean [TS]

  like again this is a consumer level [TS]

  thing if you had pure SSD maybe it would [TS]

  its capture rate would be better but [TS]

  then you can't store as much well the [TS]

  bigger question here done is this [TS]

  something this technology is this [TS]

  something that's here to stay do you [TS]

  think that whoa this is something that's [TS]

  going to just like we saw the SSD drives [TS]

  and of course it makes sense why the SSD [TS]

  drives would but they crept into a whole [TS]

  bunch of different configurations and [TS]

  now they're pretty much the sealed [TS]

  standard for [TS]

  the all of the laptops obviously you can [TS]

  still by the way you can still get I'm [TS]

  gosh I think it's a lot more money but [TS]

  you can get a 768 gig flash drive in [TS]

  that high end Mac Pro is a configuration [TS]

  option if the SSD drives were big enough [TS]

  and affordable enough would they would [TS]

  Apple even be messing with this [TS]

  technology or is this something you [TS]

  think they're they're just the is it a [TS]

  stopgap in other words I I think it's [TS]

  something around for longer than we [TS]

  think it will simply because like what I [TS]

  said before I SS these are getting [TS]

  cheaper and bigger and better but at the [TS]

  same time spinning this are also getting [TS]

  cheaper and bigger and better and yes as [TS]

  these are gaining on the necesitar [TS]

  growing much faster than spinning disks [TS]

  are but like the race is hard to [TS]

  spinning hardness they're keeping up [TS]

  pretty well so like we thought if hard [TS]

  drives had just stayed still when SSDs [TS]

  appeared on the scenes we'd already just [TS]

  be using us as these but they didn't [TS]

  hard drives didn't stay still so this [TS]

  yeah there's probably some calculus [TS]

  equation you can determine to say when [TS]

  will it what when will it be that ah [TS]

  that s is these surpass spinning disks [TS]

  but it's not going to be for a while I [TS]

  think and so we're all kind of tired of [TS]

  waiting we all want that SSD type [TS]

  experience but we also want those three [TS]

  terabytes spinning this that you can get [TS]

  for like you know 150 bucks or of the [TS]

  heck they are now they're so cheap and [TS]

  they're so huge like you said oh seven [TS]

  sixty eight gigabytes that's your three [TS]

  terabytes you can get cheap like these [TS]

  are not except I have one in my Mac Mac [TS]

  Pro right now spinning storage is so [TS]

  cheap but also so slow so I expect this [TS]

  fusion solution to be on every single [TS]

  Mac where they can put it obviously the [TS]

  laptops it doesn't make sense they're so [TS]

  small they're getting smaller the SSD is [TS]

  they've always had compromised storage [TS]

  so i don't think fusion is going to [TS]

  appear on the laptop but the the imac [TS]

  the mac mini and the eventual thing that [TS]

  we're supposed to get for people who [TS]

  like mac pro's guaranteed dev fusion [TS]

  drives and i think they're going to [TS]

  happen for years this is just going to [TS]

  take a long time for the dist to sure [TS]

  that crossover to finally happen it [TS]

  would happen people just stop [TS]

  researching spinning disks but don't be [TS]

  doing that no one's doing that they [TS]

  still keep keep on keeping on so if [TS]

  distribution dr solution once it gets [TS]

  shaken out and everything i think it's a [TS]

  good compromise [TS]

  Apple is glad that like I said you know [TS]

  we played that clip from that show all [TS]

  those years ago or one year ago at least [TS]

  one and a half years ago that's what I [TS]

  wanted I i wanted i wanted the best of [TS]

  both worlds i knew i couldn't get it [TS]

  because of technology like I can't just [TS]

  get SSD everywhere it's gonna take a [TS]

  long time so just give me this [TS]

  compromise and do and you know don't [TS]

  make me manage it and that's exactly [TS]

  what they're giving you through through [TS]

  pretty low-tech approach to the [TS]

  operating system handling the shuffling [TS]

  the files I believe this is all [TS]

  happening at the file level not the [TS]

  block level which is also kind of like [TS]

  time machine is not it's kind of a lame [TS]

  solution if you just did the block diff [TS]

  so it'd be much more efficient and that [TS]

  is true but they're like you know we can [TS]

  do the file based one it's simple it's [TS]

  low-tech it's kind of cruddy but it gets [TS]

  us most of the benefit without lots of [TS]

  the hassles and so it seems like they're [TS]

  doing the same thing here the there are [TS]

  wrinkles though so it is one wrinkle [TS]

  from the back my fusion drive can not [TS]

  see time machine backups my every time [TS]

  to restore what could be the issue and [TS]

  the issue is fusion drive images must be [TS]

  the first ones written to a time machine [TS]

  backup drive so that's kind of weird so [TS]

  if you have an existing time machine [TS]

  backup and you start trying to backup [TS]

  your fusion drive to it like you know as [TS]

  an additional thing that won't work you [TS]

  have the fusion drive has to be the [TS]

  first thing that hits that time machine [TS]

  disk so if you have a disc that you [TS]

  currently use for time machine and has [TS]

  existing data on it you got to wipe it [TS]

  out and say okay now I'm backing up my [TS]

  mac with my fusion drive for my mac men [TS]

  usually drive to this empty time machine [TS]

  disk it's the first one in and it [TS]

  probably like sets that lays things out [TS]

  and different pattern and puts [TS]

  additional information so you can [TS]

  actually see it when you reboot and blah [TS]

  blah like but that's a kind of an [TS]

  annoying wrinkle but probably [TS]

  unavoidable due to the weird way things [TS]

  work and you know i'll tell you what [TS]

  i'll tell you what some people are gonna [TS]

  miss some people are going to miss the [TS]

  fact that like right now if you want to [TS]

  you can before this fusion drive stuff [TS]

  you can pull a drive out of a mac or [TS]

  connected and you remember funny you [TS]

  remember firewire mode how you can hold [TS]

  down the target desk my target this mode [TS]

  and that would still work I imagine a [TS]

  TARDIS once the work but the idea of [TS]

  just being able to pull out a drive in [TS]

  checking into any Mac is that still [TS]

  going to be possibility or just the OS [TS]

  need to understand [TS]

  how this drive is working in other words [TS]

  if you pulled this out and connected it [TS]

  to an older Mac Mac OS 5 and dot 5 [TS]

  what's it going to see is it going to [TS]

  see two separate partitions one of them [TS]

  has like a few apps on it and one has [TS]

  data on it or one I would assume that in [TS]

  Apple's usually pretty good about doing [TS]

  clever I don't know if you call it [TS]

  forward compatibility well here's an [TS]

  example from memory when hfs+ first came [TS]

  out I believe this is when they did this [TS]

  HFS existed and then they introduced [TS]

  hfs+ and if you formatted a disk as hfs+ [TS]

  and then took that disk in it's an extra [TS]

  noticed took it back to an old Mac that [TS]

  had no idea to page best plus was [TS]

  running a version the operating system [TS]

  the predates HFS plus it has no idea [TS]

  what the heck hfs+ is and you connected [TS]

  this drive to it like oh it's just going [TS]

  to ask to initialize this disk isn't it [TS]

  because I'll this is crazy instead part [TS]

  of the HFS plus format at least [TS]

  initially might still be there was to [TS]

  put this little guardian volume thing [TS]

  that when a Mac that just understood HFS [TS]

  read this disk it appeared to be some [TS]

  tiny little read-only disk that said [TS]

  something like you can't you know [TS]

  there's nothing on this extension best [TS]

  Plus this you know it wouldn't offer to [TS]

  erase it it would appear to be like an [TS]

  empty read-only tiny little Drive and [TS]

  that's pretty clever engineering because [TS]

  when the mac that is showing that little [TS]

  empty thing was created hfs+ didn't even [TS]

  exist and wasn't even developed so there [TS]

  I think they call that I don't not they [TS]

  call it forward compatible it's not [TS]

  backward compatibility but it's being [TS]

  able to with your future development [TS]

  make a product that if brought to an [TS]

  older machine still does something [TS]

  sensible so it's possible that they did [TS]

  that type of solution where they said ok [TS]

  there's no way you're going to be able [TS]

  to see this or read this on an old Mac [TS]

  so let's put something in there to make [TS]

  sure that it doesn't offer to initialize [TS]

  the thing that's one option is tech [TS]

  probably technically possible the option [TS]

  you talked about is like do I just see [TS]

  half a disk this just looks like a [TS]

  Disqus got like a bunch of stuff in it [TS]

  and it looks like a sparsely populated [TS]

  regular desk that's a possibility as [TS]

  well because then core storage could [TS]

  just treat you know yeah it could under [TS]

  the covers hide that but that's kind of [TS]

  dangerous because then it's like [TS]

  exactly might start thinking it's like [TS]

  your full disk but it's not that's right [TS]

  you what if you mess with it like you [TS]

  wouldn't want anyone to touch that so [TS]

  that would probably be bad as well the [TS]

  possibility that you stick it in and [TS]

  says this is unreadable I have to [TS]

  initialize it that would be again [TS]

  because it like 20 this doesn't seem to [TS]

  have the right you know information [TS]

  about the block maps with the boot [TS]

  sector or for example the entire catalog [TS]

  file is on this SSD which I believe it [TS]

  probably is all that I don't know I [TS]

  guess they could have to catalog files [TS]

  one for each volume on there's so many [TS]

  questions by this implementation and all [TS]

  the people who wanted me to talk about [TS]

  this is it explained to me how it works [TS]

  I don't know nobody knows it's outside [TS]

  of Apple and attempts to get information [TS]

  out of Apple about this technical nerdy [TS]

  information have not been successful not [TS]

  big as Apple is trying to keep it secret [TS]

  but because they just don't care and [TS]

  then that you know they want to give PR [TS]

  about the new products they don't want [TS]

  PR to be diluted by talking about nerd [TS]

  things so eventually i'm assuming we [TS]

  will have a good technical explanation [TS]

  of how this works but we don't quite [TS]

  know yet but yeah so it all these [TS]

  possibilities are possible the bottom [TS]

  line is Apple does not much you taking [TS]

  one of these drugs yes is there are [TS]

  otherwise out and stick in any place [TS]

  else first of all it's inside an imac [TS]

  you know regular people aren't opening [TS]

  that thing up I think it probably voids [TS]

  the warranty the mac mini same type of [TS]

  deal you're allowed to replace the ram [TS]

  but you're not supposed to pry that [TS]

  sucker open and pull out the the [TS]

  spinning disk and stick it somewhere [TS]

  that is way outside the realm would I [TS]

  Apple thinks you're doing with this the [TS]

  non-existent Mac Pro that we use this [TS]

  technology now we're getting into ok [TS]

  what you're supposed to pull the drives [TS]

  out of the mac pro pro the current one [TS]

  anyway they've got little sleds what are [TS]

  you doing for me here by that point I [TS]

  think Apple has to have a solution for [TS]

  this is the solution to market drive is [TS]

  read-only is the solution to put some [TS]

  little sentinel volume on it this what [TS]

  looks like that may be the solution is [TS]

  just to say okay it shows up as do you [TS]

  want to initialize this that would [TS]

  probably be the worst possible solution [TS]

  but it's you know it's it's a [TS]

  possibility that you know the the thing [TS]

  about fusion drive in any young [TS]

  technology like this is there's going to [TS]

  be bumps in the road like the they have [TS]

  to work the kinks out of this obviously [TS]

  they probably thought that it seems like [TS]

  they thought they could get it out in [TS]

  time for mountain lion and they didn't [TS]

  that means there was kinks there's [TS]

  probably more kinks more caveats more [TS]

  software that doesn't handle it [TS]

  correctly all starts it like it if [TS]

  you're really cautious don't until Kate [TS]

  a fusion drive [TS]

  but if you want to live a little bit on [TS]

  the edge try it out make sure your [TS]

  backups are good and you'll probably be [TS]

  okay because Apple is so cautious in its [TS]

  rollouts because this thing is only [TS]

  supported in these exact configuration [TS]

  does not a new general purpose flexible [TS]

  system for doing arbitrary storage [TS]

  management with our great new logical [TS]

  volume manager and cool new GUI and [TS]

  command-line it's not what it is it's [TS]

  like this exact configuration don't mess [TS]

  with it it'll probably work okay and [TS]

  like this is the optimistic success [TS]

  story is look at FileVault 2 5 volt to [TS]

  was you know the first thing they [TS]

  implemented on top of their fancy new [TS]

  logical volume management storage layer [TS]

  course storage right out of the box it [TS]

  nothing had ever shipped before that [TS]

  line introduced this entire new layer to [TS]

  the storage system and he used it to [TS]

  reimplement a feature that had gotten a [TS]

  really bad rap for being implemented [TS]

  very poorly and FileVault 2 is worked [TS]

  without a hitch I've used it since the [TS]

  day it was released I've been running at [TS]

  least one mac with FileVault 2 turned on [TS]

  zero problems perfect no bugs background [TS]

  encrypt decrypt no problems whatsoever [TS]

  beautiful so that shows that they're [TS]

  really cautious approach and doing [TS]

  storage stuff can pay off this is more [TS]

  complicated then than just encrypting a [TS]

  single volume but it's done by the same [TS]

  team I'm assuming the core storage [TS]

  people and so I think it will probably [TS]

  be okay watch watch the macworld on it [TS]

  when these stories start coming out see [TS]

  if you see like a story from a friend [TS]

  about how they accidentally hose [TS]

  themselves because they don't understand [TS]

  how fusion drive worked or some actual [TS]

  bugs and I'm sure it'll be updates to to [TS]

  help with this I don't know I don't know [TS]

  how to andy capp this what i do have [TS]

  this has a lot of things going for it in [TS]

  terms of that the caution Apple usually [TS]

  uses with doing its storage stuff and [TS]

  the limited configurations of that [TS]

  they're supporting for now I'm assuming [TS]

  there will be more information about [TS]

  fusion drive coming out of Apple at the [TS]

  very least at this year's WWDC I'm sure [TS]

  there'll be a technical session on it if [TS]

  we have to wait that long it'll be on [TS]

  disappointing people asking if I'm going [TS]

  to update my mac OS 10 [TS]

  review or do a review in between just [TS]

  talking about fusion drive well I'm not [TS]

  going to update the mac OS 10 review [TS]

  that it is what it is now plus or minus [TS]

  typos I'm probably not going to do a [TS]

  separate story about fusion drive like [TS]

  in the middle you know in between OS [TS]

  release is simply because I don't have [TS]

  anything my fusion drive I know what you [TS]

  know like I don't have any contacts and [TS]

  the information Apple's not releasing it [TS]

  and once Apple does really sit just read [TS]

  the information they release I hope [TS]

  someone does one out button would you [TS]

  buy would you buy one of one of these [TS]

  drives in it you personally you know in [TS]

  your new map primack you know in a mac [TS]

  pro let's say they come out they said [TS]

  this technology's worked so well in the [TS]

  imac and the mac mini over the last year [TS]

  that we're proud to introduce it as our [TS]

  premier technology in the mac pro are [TS]

  you happy about this Johnny you're [TS]

  unhappy about this yes I would win 2013 [TS]

  if a mac pro like thing comes out and [TS]

  has fusion drive i will be getting with [TS]

  fusion drive but that will be like a [TS]

  year you know half a year later or [TS]

  something right so it's had a half year [TS]

  to get the kink shaken out of it and you [TS]

  you know even if it was the very first [TS]

  thing on a mac pro i would probably get [TS]

  it as i said look if it ends up being [TS]

  flaky or something i can just stick a [TS]

  couple more drives in there and use [TS]

  those and keep the flaky fusion drive [TS]

  until they work the kinks out like I [TS]

  have so much flexibility with a [TS]

  theoretical Mac Pro that has all these [TS]

  different drives in it that I would get [TS]

  it with this hybrid thing because I do [TS]

  want these like I said yeah I set it on [TS]

  an episode 17 that's what I want and I'm [TS]

  gonna get it and I'm willing to deal [TS]

  with the flakiness especially on a mac [TS]

  pro where I haven't out where I'm like [TS]

  all right so if it's flaky I use a [TS]

  couple other drives you know or I just [TS]

  wait until they get the kinks work out [TS]

  you because you have so many so many [TS]

  options with so much internal and [TS]

  external storage on a theoretical new [TS]

  Mac Pro that it's barely a risk so I [TS]

  would definitely get this on my mac pro [TS]

  I'm not even sure it will be an option [TS]

  not to get it on the mac pro that's [TS]

  always been my my vision of what the [TS]

  next Mac Pro is going to be it's like [TS]

  it's not going to ship with like for [TS]

  spinning disk it's you know SSD is going [TS]

  to be the option and it is it going to [TS]

  be an SSD boot drive a bunch of SSD bays [TS]

  in the area where the obstacles were a [TS]

  new case that's designed around only [TS]

  point 5 inch storage with any of you [TS]

  want like that's what I've always [TS]

  imagined this thing looking like in [TS]

  fusion drive to cement it like I'm not [TS]

  even sure you'll be able to get a mac [TS]

  pro without fusion [TS]

  oh so I'm getting mine with can't wait [TS]

  for you to get this thing about this [TS]

  thing that doesn't exist we just yeah a [TS]

  hypothetical thing I'm very nervous [TS]

  about it and i'm especially nervous [TS]

  because it's gonna cost so much money [TS]

  like if this thing has threaten a [TS]

  desktop display and some crazy a video [TS]

  connector because current you know we [TS]

  talked about the short current [TS]

  displayport standards don't support [TS]

  enough resolution to drive a true retin [TS]

  a 27 inch desktop display they just that [TS]

  they don't they don't support that [TS]

  resolution so they need the combination [TS]

  of video card and a new version of their [TS]

  thing they used to pump the pixels out [TS]

  to their display like all that needs to [TS]

  be sorted out plus connected to what has [TS]

  to be a fantastically expensive display [TS]

  with like 80 gazillion pixels on it [TS]

  right ah that's gonna cost a lot of my [TS]

  it's gonna cost a lot so I'm so I'm [TS]

  saving my pennies is there is there any [TS]

  way that you'll ever be content with [TS]

  with some kind of imac is there ever a [TS]

  day to you because you know what let's [TS]

  say Apple does come out with with some [TS]

  kind of mac pro in 2013 you know and [TS]

  we've talked about this it's only a [TS]

  matter of time before the Mac Pro [TS]

  release is just gone and they're just [TS]

  not making them anymore you know 10 [TS]

  years from now there's not good i [TS]

  guarantee you there'll be an imac [TS]

  there's not going to be a mac pro yeah [TS]

  you know that they're eventually going [TS]

  away the only things keeping it around [TS]

  our storage from video cards I know [TS]

  their internet and cards right so [TS]

  storage you would assume eventually that [TS]

  takes care of itself because you know [TS]

  everything a solid-state on the long [TS]

  graph that happens so those big bulky [TS]

  annoying spinning disks they go away [TS]

  they look ridiculous we look back in the [TS]

  mail I can't remember when we use those [TS]

  things that's fine that takes care of [TS]

  the storage thing video it's conceivable [TS]

  that you could fit the most powerful [TS]

  video card made by man for consumer [TS]

  applications behind a gigantic 27 inch [TS]

  display totally conceivable they don't [TS]

  do it now though but you could do it for [TS]

  me that's all I need for the other for [TS]

  the pro people who have to put the crazy [TS]

  video capture cards or other sorts of [TS]

  things in there that may sort itself out [TS]

  by just the system is getting powerful [TS]

  enough to those capture cards like it [TS]

  can all happen on the GPU or it's all [TS]

  done by the OS or I don't know all the [TS]

  range of things people use adding cards [TS]

  for but you've seen the number of slot [TS]

  in Apple's full side powers decrease [TS]

  over the years I forget how many like [TS]

  the mac order the mac to had like eight [TS]

  slots or something crazy maybe just four [TS]

  slots I don't remember but the number of [TS]

  slots in the tower max in the modern era [TS]

  have decreased that you know they take [TS]

  them out it like let's take out one and [TS]

  you don't notice like yeah that kind of [TS]

  annoys me because I was filling all the [TS]

  slots of my previous one but I guess [TS]

  it's okay I take it one more and you [TS]

  know they're especially with a double [TS]

  with things like the video cards take up [TS]

  two slots and everything it's I could be [TS]

  happy with a bunch of energy stuck to [TS]

  the back of a really big 30 inch Retina [TS]

  display yeah five years now I could be a [TS]

  Beulah because all i want is tremendous [TS]

  amount of ram lots of flexibility for [TS]

  storage and a really really really fast [TS]

  video card I don't know how long it will [TS]

  take for that thing to appear but I mean [TS]

  I like you said I'll eventually i'll be [TS]

  forced to eventually no one's going to [TS]

  have something the size of a [TS]

  dehumidifier signify their desk like [TS]

  it's just it's you know that's not the [TS]

  way things are going but for now for [TS]

  next year Tim you promised me something [TS]

  better be good alright what else you got [TS]

  for today today announced anything else [TS]

  let me think hmm mm-hmm think they did [TS]

  something with the iPad oh yeah they [TS]

  released the ipad they called a [TS]

  fourth-generation ipad with retina [TS]

  display the in slightly updated innards [TS]

  as you say and the lightning connector [TS]

  and they now call it the ipad with [TS]

  retina display and then they have of [TS]

  course the ipad mini which also has a [TS]

  lightning connector will start with the [TS]

  ipad 4 as it will be known by people who [TS]

  want to distinguish it from the 3 and so [TS]

  on we're not taking our foot off the gas [TS]

  as Tim Cook the previous imac the ipad [TS]

  val got a previous ipad the ipad 3 was [TS]

  released just what seven months ago or [TS]

  something yeah that sounds about right [TS]

  yeah seven months ago so this is a [TS]

  pretty fast update and this is they were [TS]

  not taking her foot off the gas we're [TS]

  not going to wait for like you know wait [TS]

  a grace period like let's wait a year [TS]

  before but we've got a new [TS]

  i pad ready to go it's twice as fast as [TS]

  the other one we're putting it out we [TS]

  are not taking her foot off the gas as [TS]

  says Tim earlier in that thing he said [TS]

  people love their iPads which reminded [TS]

  me once again as it always does of the [TS]

  movie singles & wine people love their [TS]

  cars people love their iPads did you [TS]

  hear the clip that that came out earlier [TS]

  in the week and we had it on the [TS]

  frequency by the way we have a new we [TS]

  have a new daily news show on five by [TS]

  five called the frequency 50 52 TV / [TS]

  frequency did you hear this it was like [TS]

  a collection of all of the all of the [TS]

  really nice words that that they say [TS]

  during was a collection in three minutes [TS]

  of all the beautiful amazing yeah I [TS]

  think I've heard it if not that exact [TS]

  one very similar things before yes all [TS]

  the superlatives all of it Apple loves [TS]

  those yeah so this ipad for I I heard a [TS]

  couple people refer to it as the ipad 3 [TS]

  s that's not too far off the mark [TS]

  because I mean and people you could say [TS]

  that bills oh you're saying that as like [TS]

  a joke of like the four it's not really [TS]

  that much better than the three just [TS]

  should have been called the 3s but I've [TS]

  always been the opposite opinion that [TS]

  the 4s was a tremendous step over the [TS]

  for like they improved every single [TS]

  thing about that thing it just look the [TS]

  same on the outside like every part of [TS]

  it winside was better I'm people like oh [TS]

  we just added an s and it looks the same [TS]

  therefore it's not as good oh really you [TS]

  want to trade me your iphone 4 3 or 4 s [TS]

  then it was a big update and the same [TS]

  thing here looks the same as the ipad 3 [TS]

  ways the same plus or minus you know [TS]

  it's 2 grams heavier in all models but [TS]

  you're not going to feel two grams same [TS]

  thickness obviously has a lightning port [TS]

  instead of the big one so the big 30 pin [TS]

  thing but it's twice as fast it's got an [TS]

  a6 that's not you know if you they [TS]

  released a new I can't use the mac pro [TS]

  visit my guess if it's stupid you know [TS]

  if they released the new 15-inch retina [TS]

  MacBook Pro five months from now or [TS]

  whatever whatever seven months after the [TS]

  introduction is ivory or when they came [TS]

  out they came out like in the summer [TS]

  seven months after the 15-inch retina [TS]

  MacBook Pro comes out they release one [TS]

  that's twice as fast people going to [TS]

  like also what just speed bump this [TS]

  twice as fast I mean that doesn't happen [TS]

  in the mag line anymore it still happens [TS]

  in the iOS line to time and not like two [TS]

  times fake benchmark II as fast actual [TS]

  two times as fast and how they do that [TS]

  the a six cores are faster it's clocked [TS]

  higher then the a 5x was this is day 6 X [TS]

  the X stands for that extra I don't know [TS]

  what stands for but I like you referred [TS]

  to is the extra GPU core it's got four [TS]

  GPU cores probably the exact same for [TS]

  GPU cores that were in the a 5x but just [TS]

  clocked higher there were 2 50 megahertz [TS]

  in the 85 X they're probably 500 [TS]

  megahertz in this thing the CPU was one [TS]

  gigahertz in the a 5x it's probably 1.5 [TS]

  in the a6x they improve the facetime [TS]

  camera so it's HD it's got that dual [TS]

  band Wi-Fi thing which may or may not [TS]

  help you depending on what access points [TS]

  you have available uh this is an [TS]

  excellent excellent iPad uh and I see no [TS]

  reason they should have waited i made a [TS]

  tweet that like you know I used to love [TS]

  my ipad 3 but i know i guess i can use [TS]

  it to level piece of furniture or [TS]

  something that was a joke you know based [TS]

  on the idea that people think oh my ipad [TS]

  3 stinks now i still like my ipad 3 [TS]

  right i would rather have a 4 but i'm [TS]

  not upset at apple for obsolete in me or [TS]

  anything like that they're keeping they [TS]

  will not take their foot off the gas and [TS]

  i don't think they should uh people [TS]

  saying all they had to release the ipad [TS]

  3 with its crappy GPU i'd still love my [TS]

  i buy three still works right in fact [TS]

  i've heard people say i don't need [TS]

  anything to be faster on my ipad 3 [TS]

  obviously you know that's not my answer [TS]

  i want to be faster but it shows that [TS]

  for regular people the ipad 3 is not [TS]

  like dog slow it doesn't have a bad rep [TS]

  even though it actually it does have [TS]

  problems because it has to push so many [TS]

  pixels around with games and everything [TS]

  like that the ipad 4 is like the first [TS]

  one that is like grown into its retina [TS]

  display it's going to be the same thing [TS]

  when the Haswell macbook pros come out [TS]

  intel's new you know cpus and associated [TS]

  chipsets because the current crop of [TS]

  retina macbook pros can barely handle [TS]

  all those pixels and king like chug in [TS]

  certain situations like simple tasks [TS]

  like scrolling and putting it like [TS]

  they're just could can barely handle and [TS]

  the same thing with the ipad 3 in games [TS]

  and stuff like that it's borderline like [TS]

  in many situations the ipad [TS]

  2 with his non retina display performs [TS]

  better on the same games in the ipad 3 [TS]

  because it's got to push four times as [TS]

  many pixels you know this this ipad 4 [TS]

  has finally grown into the retina [TS]

  display it can handle it it's [TS]

  appropriate it's balanced in the same [TS]

  way that the next crop of retina macbook [TS]

  pros will be balanced and nice and so I [TS]

  give this machine a thumbs up I talk [TS]

  about the past show like would they just [TS]

  ever just put out something with just a [TS]

  lightning port on it but the same i've [TS]

  had three insides that didn't think they [TS]

  would they haven't this you know i was [TS]

  even more conservative i said maybe [TS]

  they'll just do a die shrink well of the [TS]

  5x and then they can make thinner and [TS]

  lighter but it would be the same speed [TS]

  they haven't done that though so they're [TS]

  not taking that for all the guests they [TS]

  could have put they could have filled of [TS]

  that died shrunk a 5x sinner same [TS]

  battery life as the ipad 3 but it [TS]

  wouldn't be any faster right that would [TS]

  not be pushing the ball forward so they [TS]

  said no we're going to say 2x faster is [TS]

  more important than making this think [TS]

  thinner more important than making it's [TS]

  lighter because it's not like ten [TS]

  percent faster it's two times faster [TS]

  this is the a6x and improving the camera [TS]

  and stuff is nice as well ah so i give [TS]

  that a new ipad thumbs up I'm kind I [TS]

  mean my brother was asking about this [TS]

  like I had my parents buy an ipad a [TS]

  couple months ago and Rose I don't you [TS]

  think I should wait there's think [TS]

  they're gonna revise the ipad thing that [TS]

  they probably got time right mmm because [TS]

  who expects a new ipad in seven months [TS]

  right yeah it's wait a bit and there are [TS]

  some people who are saying well that's [TS]

  too soon but like I would love it if [TS]

  they just continue to increase the speed [TS]

  of these things and performance of these [TS]

  things as often as often as they can [TS]

  write like and because what I expected [TS]

  you know and most would be like well [TS]

  maybe the revised they put a lightning [TS]

  connector on they may put ad I Shrunk a [TS]

  five-axis thinner my parents don't care [TS]

  if it's a little bit thinner and you [TS]

  know a little bit lighter it's not that [TS]

  big a deal it'll be fine with an iPad [TS]

  through and I think they are fine with [TS]

  an ipad 3 but if I had known this was [TS]

  coming like if this had been a year you [TS]

  know if there had been a year gap I [TS]

  would have said just wait wait a couple [TS]

  months they were in town so I would like [TS]

  to be able to buy the ipad with them and [TS]

  show them how to use and stuff like that [TS]

  but i think my parents are fine with the [TS]

  ipad 3 that they have they certainly [TS]

  won't notice the speed difference as [TS]

  they play like their crossword puzzles [TS]

  and and read email on the on their thing [TS]

  but this is a good machine and [TS]

  finally this is what the problem with [TS]

  doing it in order is that now 40 in we [TS]

  finally get to talk about the ipad mini [TS]

  the whole point of this announcement [TS]

  that's what I'm saying in the beginning [TS]

  like this was like oh this give me the [TS]

  new iPad Mini announcement look at all [TS]

  this stuff they introduced before they [TS]

  even get to the ipad mini it's enough [TS]

  stuff like they could have stopped now [TS]

  and it would have been like this was a [TS]

  good Apple event they're like reb to a [TS]

  whole bunch of stuff in their line [TS]

  there's a new flagship iPad that's twice [TS]

  as fast everything's great but of course [TS]

  we all expected dad pad mini was teased [TS]

  in a thing uh they did the cool like a [TS]

  rotation reveal where they just turned [TS]

  around the ipad part look who's hiding [TS]

  behind it is little ipad mini isn't it [TS]

  cute and we've been talking about this [TS]

  on this show you've been talking about [TS]

  on all your other shows for just weeks [TS]

  and weeks maybe even months have we been [TS]

  talking about this for months yeah I [TS]

  think seems like a half a year talking [TS]

  about this Oh apples gonna make smaller [TS]

  iPad all we all know it's common when is [TS]

  it gonna come and this whole time we've [TS]

  been discussing the least on this show [TS]

  every time we talk about this I would [TS]

  say you know well in some theoretical [TS]

  ipad mini that Apple comes out with and [TS]

  in a hypothetical ipad mini they produce [TS]

  blah blah blah i was forced to pick a [TS]

  name for this thing in order to discuss [TS]

  it right Apple coincidentally was forced [TS]

  to pick a name in order to ship it and I [TS]

  don't know why it's a shocking we should [TS]

  have thought it's the last show why we [TS]

  bomb it why wouldn't they pick the same [TS]

  thing I've been calling it ipad mini for [TS]

  four weeks and weeks and yet in the last [TS]

  show we're like what about the name [TS]

  gonna be ipad to play an ipad ipad air [TS]

  ipad mini now they won't called that it [TS]

  was like we dismissed it because that's [TS]

  that's what we're calling it like just [TS]

  in our discussion but like what will be [TS]

  the real name well the real name is I've [TS]

  had mini is so obvious like them in [TS]

  hindsight that we've been just [TS]

  constantly at least I've been calling it [TS]

  you've been calling it ipad mini two [TS]

  until you got on your junior kick no I [TS]

  mean it I think um I think it's really [TS]

  the only thing the only name that they [TS]

  could have picked for it I just didn't [TS]

  want it to be that yeah and I think [TS]

  that's why a lot of the speculation was [TS]

  there done because people don't [TS]

  especially like that name I don't like [TS]

  many I don't like mini I'll see plain [TS]

  old iPad totally still I say was but [TS]

  have been totally plausible and also [TS]

  ipad air uh I like I said I think they [TS]

  like to keep the air to that sort of the [TS]

  desktop line of very lightweight things [TS]

  but I think that could have worked as [TS]

  well but many like in hindsight is the [TS]

  obvious choice like I've been saying [TS]

  ipad mini myself why have I been saying [TS]

  mini because it just fits the minis [TS]

  already in there yes it's on the mac [TS]

  line but it's also been on the ipod line [TS]

  and you know so i don't mind it it's [TS]

  nice so that I don't have a backlog of [TS]

  shows where I talk about this product [TS]

  that people understand i'm talking about [TS]

  its ipad mini always talking about that [TS]

  i I like the same way I liked it with [TS]

  iphone 5 what did I call the iphone 5 [TS]

  for the weeks and weeks before we were [TS]

  talking about i called the iphone 5 and [TS]

  then got flak bored i'm saying i'm just [TS]

  referring you know what I'm talking [TS]

  about when I said when they called it [TS]

  iphone 5 so thumbs up tap on naming now [TS]

  I should just believe whatever it is [TS]

  that I say in the weeks before and will [TS]

  be the name so their pitch for this is [TS]

  what what can you do with the mini that [TS]

  you can't already do with an ipad 4 I [TS]

  can think of all sorts of unsavory and [TS]

  lewd things that could fell in there but [TS]

  what they choose to go with was hold it [TS]

  with one hand or hold it in one hand and [TS]

  so yeah the pitch for this thing is as [TS]

  tucked around the past show like I've [TS]

  always said this they're building this [TS]

  thing to meet a price point and we'll [TS]

  get to that in a little bit but they [TS]

  can't say that they can't say they're [TS]

  building this to me to pry point they [TS]

  have to say something about the [TS]

  advantages and what they're gonna say is [TS]

  then it's like you can hold one hand [TS]

  getting back to Gruber's theory of [TS]

  calling it air because it's the same [TS]

  pitch with the air look how light and [TS]

  airy it is they didn't go with the air [TS]

  name but yes that's their their features [TS]

  and benefits pitch is like look what it [TS]

  can do for you it's it's lighter it's [TS]

  you know it's not especially since they [TS]

  didn't reduce the weight of their big [TS]

  iPad like this is going to really feel [TS]

  very Airy it's super thin as thin as a [TS]

  pencil as they said the thing about the [TS]

  physical design it's like it's got the [TS]

  aluminum back right oh it's the whole [TS]

  thing is aluminum it's a unibody type [TS]

  thing and they carve it all out which is [TS]

  this thing's got to feel incredibly [TS]

  solid though I haven't seen one yet in [TS]

  person but that means it's also got as [TS]

  far as I can tell from the picture and [TS]

  I'm pretty sure aluminum power button [TS]

  volume buttons and mute rotation lock [TS]

  switch thingy right that's nicer than [TS]

  the ipad 4 it's nicer than their [TS]

  flagship model the ipad 4 on the ipad 3 [TS]

  have these terrible plastic buttons for [TS]

  volume and for a rotation lock and for [TS]

  the power button with incredibly sharp [TS]

  edges the edges of the plastic on those [TS]

  the volume rockers and switches it's [TS]

  like that's like a Razors Edge know [TS]

  something like I think you're on who [TS]

  decided on that like it's just cruel and [TS]

  so these things they're aluminum [TS]

  when you have like metal buttons that's [TS]

  why people like to think the original [TS]

  iphone had the metal buttons and [TS]

  everything it's better than the plastic [TS]

  ones the iPhone 5 has metal buttons [TS]

  again I believe it just feels higher [TS]

  quality and they have the edges cut off [TS]

  with their favorite thing the [TS]

  diamond-cut chamfer they love it or sham [TS]

  ferraz would Johnny I would say I [TS]

  confirm with someone from the UK that's [TS]

  how they say it there he doesn't just [TS]

  has a lisp yeah so this is this thing as [TS]

  a like I think a higher higher end [TS]

  physical appearance and probably a [TS]

  higher and feel then the iPhone the iPad [TS]

  4 then their flagship with just you know [TS]

  you guys hey what is your flagship iPad [TS]

  it's the big one it's ipad 4 right i pad [TS]

  with retina display or whatever and yet [TS]

  that's the thing still has the plastic [TS]

  buttons so that's a shame I hope they [TS]

  update the big iPad to use this much [TS]

  nicer design I do kind of like the [TS]

  rocker as opposed to two separate [TS]

  buttons so maybe what I would ideally [TS]

  what I would like is a metal rocker [TS]

  switch with an edge that doesn't cut me [TS]

  and all right so I haven't actually been [TS]

  cut by yep but damn it it's really sharp [TS]

  the thickness it's what is it 7.1 [TS]

  millimeters the ipod touches 6.1 [TS]

  millimeters so it's a 10 millimeter that [TS]

  was it yeah 6.1 7.3 versus 6.1 so it's [TS]

  it's almost as thin as the ipod touch [TS]

  which is pretty amazing when you think [TS]

  about it cuz that ipod touch is really [TS]

  think so this thing will really feel [TS]

  airy it's about half the weight of an [TS]

  ipad 3 ipad 3 is pretty chunky and or an [TS]

  ipad 4 so you know again there would [TS]

  have been an appropriate name for this [TS]

  thing the physical design wrinkles is [TS]

  that the black one has a black back and [TS]

  like oh we have to go through the [TS]

  scratching thing again like with the i [TS]

  like with the iphone 5 because that [TS]

  black coating is probably the same [TS]

  process they put the black coating on [TS]

  the back of the thing it's just a coding [TS]

  you entry scratch through it you're [TS]

  going to get to the silver aluminum may [TS]

  be able to look weird this is a case [TS]

  where your chances of entering [TS]

  Millennium Falcon zone in terms of [TS]

  aesthetics are probably lower because [TS]

  it's going to take a heck of lot scratch [TS]

  more scratches to fill the area in a [TS]

  pleasing manner than it would on an [TS]

  iphone 5 so I don't I I'm still thinking [TS]

  about getting one of these I really do [TS]

  not like the white front but I sure do [TS]

  like that silver back so [TS]

  Apple if you're listening black front [TS]

  silverback it's what we all want someone [TS]

  someone's got the idea that they like [TS]

  the monochrome black things for both the [TS]

  phone and the pad to convince that [TS]

  person that they're wrong plz black [TS]

  front silverback it's what we all want [TS]

  they did the really kind of weird [TS]

  comparison during the presentation with [TS]

  was it the Nexus 7 I was up on screen [TS]

  they didn't refer to it by name no they [TS]

  did not they did not call it out by name [TS]

  they simply had it sort of there and [TS]

  identified and they were comparing it [TS]

  for the purpose of saying that just by [TS]

  making it seven point I believe 7.85 or [TS]

  being a little bit that there was so [TS]

  much more room there was what was the [TS]

  percentage that they said do you [TS]

  remember they did all sorts of [TS]

  gymnastics to two things here one is [TS]

  they're trying to emphasize the very [TS]

  real difference in area because length [TS]

  differences in length you know 2d versus [TS]

  1d and intuitively to people it doesn't [TS]

  make any sense that if you increase the [TS]

  diagonal by a couple inches that you [TS]

  double the area of the that you double [TS]

  the square you know inch area of the [TS]

  screen like so that that none intuitive [TS]

  thing the does the screens not that much [TS]

  bigger it's like an inch bigger it an [TS]

  inch is the unit of length like that's [TS]

  not what they mean so they kept doing [TS]

  the little guy let me do the [TS]

  multiplication for you and show you that [TS]

  just by you know even though this is [TS]

  seven point nine inches versus whatever [TS]

  that the Nexus 7 is it's a tremendous [TS]

  amount more area because they're 16 by 9 [TS]

  and we're about four by three like [TS]

  they're just doing the math for you to [TS]

  try to emphasize an actual real benefit [TS]

  having this thing here but not referring [TS]

  to it by name was something before we [TS]

  get into the what they said in that and [TS]

  the thing is like people like oh that [TS]

  shows weakness if you're not afraid of [TS]

  the other guy you should be able to [TS]

  mention them by name and then some [TS]

  people say not chunk not mentioning them [TS]

  by name that shows strength because you [TS]

  you know you you can do that and people [TS]

  don't care about that other thing they [TS]

  don't think you're being wimpy you know [TS]

  I kind of come down the side that not [TS]

  mentioning it by name I don't think it's [TS]

  weakness or strength I think it's it's [TS]

  less bold let's put it that way does it [TS]

  I don't know if it reveals anything [TS]

  about what Apple believes its position [TS]

  is but it is less bold than naming than [TS]

  calling the guy out here is the nexus 7 [TS]

  the grey latest and greatest 7 [TS]

  2 inch android out android tablet we're [TS]

  going to show you how r thing is so much [TS]

  better and they used to not be shy about [TS]

  naming things they'd show like this is [TS]

  the whatever the most popular model of [TS]

  thing and sometimes they would say this [TS]

  is just a popular model but i feel like [TS]

  naming names is more bold and it's not [TS]

  like we don't know like that's why it [TS]

  feels kind of like timid i'm not sure [TS]

  why they decided on to me up by name but [TS]

  it definitely feels less bold so i give [TS]

  a thumbs down to that opinion regardless [TS]

  of that decision regardless of whether [TS]

  it actually reveals or communicative [TS]

  strength or not I wasn't think i think [TS]

  it just it definitely communicates [TS]

  timidity so when they were compared to [TS]

  things like look this thing is made of [TS]

  plastic it's thicker it's heavier it's [TS]

  got a smaller display can you believe [TS]

  that like our thing is thinner it's [TS]

  lighter it feels more expensive it's got [TS]

  a bigger display seems like it's no [TS]

  comparison but of course they didn't [TS]

  mention this thing is eighty dollars [TS]

  cheaper or 130 dollars cheaper if you [TS]

  get the 8 gigabyte model but you know [TS]

  that save the price for the end and we [TS]

  will to ipad mini thirty five percent [TS]

  larger screen and then they went and I [TS]

  said but that's not all that's just like [TS]

  measuring with it when things are off [TS]

  when you turn it on and show the web [TS]

  browser let's just take out all the [TS]

  chrome pun intended around this web [TS]

  browser and see how much content area is [TS]

  there in Safari versus the the you know [TS]

  the browser and Android on this thing is [TS]

  fifty percent larger on the ipad mini [TS]

  when you take out all the chrome and [TS]

  when you go landscape because the thing [TS]

  is sixteen by nine and it cuts out these [TS]

  huge strips from the top and the bottom [TS]

  like it's sixty-seven percent more [TS]

  content area and landscape so they [TS]

  really wanted to hammer on our screen is [TS]

  bigger in reality and in practice it's [TS]

  even bigger because of our aspect ratio [TS]

  and because we are a little bit more we [TS]

  have less chrome I mean like it's very [TS]

  least the Android thing had a bunch of [TS]

  software buttons up on the screen that [TS]

  were taking up a big stripe of area so [TS]

  you know that they're getting into like [TS]

  you know in that specific app so what [TS]

  maybe they'd what they didn't do is [TS]

  let's see how big of movie isn't us [TS]

  because the movie will fill the 16 by 9 [TS]

  screen but will be more letterbox than [TS]

  the four by three like it's a little bit [TS]

  of Voodoo but they they had some good [TS]

  points to make their the next section of [TS]

  that level part they you have ready more [TS]

  and some really good points it's like [TS]

  look it's all about software ecosystem [TS]

  why would you buy as I've had many and [TS]

  not these other smaller tablets that [TS]

  going to be less expensive but you don't [TS]

  know that yet in the presentation we [TS]

  have tablet apps they have stretched out [TS]

  phone apps right people change their [TS]

  websites to to detect that you're on an [TS]

  iPad and make them look awesome and if [TS]

  you go on so the thing you get like the [TS]

  phone thing right and that's agreed [TS]

  thats a real advantage and that was a [TS]

  damning present a yeah because it i had [TS]

  so many examples like look at this [TS]

  looking you believe this crap just slide [TS]

  after slide can you like and that's [TS]

  that's not you know that's that's [TS]

  convincing you you want to be in the iOS [TS]

  ecosystem not just because of her apps [TS]

  but like just everything you do it's all [TS]

  centered around iPad and I think river [TS]

  posted sometime this week a good URL or [TS]

  someone else tweeted the URL of some [TS]

  website they were going to it was like [TS]

  if you go there on a tablet you get it [TS]

  was like a movie promotion website and [TS]

  the host name was like ipad dot whatever [TS]

  the movie name is calm and that was the [TS]

  generic tablet website that if you went [TS]

  there on android tablet you'd be [TS]

  connecting to ipad that's something calm [TS]

  like it's so clear that people aren't [TS]

  designing for tablets they're designing [TS]

  for the ipad and that's true of [TS]

  applications as well so that that was a [TS]

  great part of the presentation really [TS]

  emphasizing their advantage in a way [TS]

  that embarrasses their competitor who [TS]

  they wouldn't name cuz they're wimpy the [TS]

  internals of this thing that their pitch [TS]

  maybe not the strongest pitch equal to [TS]

  or better than an ipad 2 and every way [TS]

  and ipad to what you know i hope it's [TS]

  better than that i've had to because [TS]

  everybody was pretty old it's got the a5 [TS]

  in there you don't need the x cos it's [TS]

  does not have a Retina display you know [TS]

  the specs are what we expected it to be [TS]

  sad i shrunk a5 1024 x 768 lightning [TS]

  connector is nice that it got the faster [TS]

  Wi-Fi and stuff like that also nice that [TS]

  it got the the HD front-facing camera I [TS]

  guess the economies of scale make that [TS]

  good but you could have cheap downton [TS]

  done the crappy camera they didn't 5 [TS]

  megapixel back camera 1080p video 720p [TS]

  front-facing camera 10 hour battery life [TS]

  would you expect it but it's still [TS]

  pretty impressive given something that [TS]

  then every inch and iPad great slogan [TS]

  good job apples copywriters there it [TS]

  really emphasizes what it is that you're [TS]

  getting here you're getting a real iPad [TS]

  it runs iPad applications you into that [TS]

  ecosystem thumbs up on that they did [TS]

  have a little Johnny I've head leaning [TS]

  section where he says we started from [TS]

  the picking [TS]

  I can't do his voice we started from the [TS]

  very beginning and rethought yeah you're [TS]

  always start from the beginning Johnny [TS]

  you know uh and they showed if we just [TS]

  took the regular iPad and shrunk it down [TS]

  yeah but what if you know we think maybe [TS]

  we can make besides a little bit thinner [TS]

  and they did that I think there was a [TS]

  lot of a spy shots and presentations [TS]

  that are around around the web in the [TS]

  weeks leading up to this that showed [TS]

  something look very much like the real [TS]

  thing and people like apples never going [TS]

  to ship that you know why they have the [TS]

  big frame around the iPad it so you can [TS]

  grab it dummy they're not going to ship [TS]

  something that has like two millimeters [TS]

  around the sides Oh looks like they did [TS]

  all right so the top and bottom chin and [TS]

  forehead are much thicker than the left [TS]

  and right sides at least it's uniform [TS]

  please take note kindle fire but it does [TS]

  it looks it's it's halfway between the [TS]

  border on an iPad and the border on an [TS]

  iphone which is kind of appropriate when [TS]

  you think about it but the first thing [TS]

  that enters everyone's mind and it's [TS]

  those same people who are you know [TS]

  naysaying the those spy shots and [TS]

  mock-ups is cheese does that mean if I [TS]

  hold this thing I have to sort of [TS]

  precariously perch my thumb unlike that [TS]

  edge and make sure it doesn't go on to [TS]

  the screen and you watch the videos [TS]

  you're like oh god you know wait that [TS]

  guy's thumb is on the screen he's Disney [TS]

  screwing himself and he's scrolling [TS]

  while his thumb is on the screen and [TS]

  stuff like that and so if you look at [TS]

  the the copy on their website they have [TS]

  this little section says rethinking the [TS]

  screen meant we had to resync the high [TS]

  memory and greeting in his stupid whore [TS]

  thing I'd like the voice read rethink [TS]

  the software behind it ipad mini [TS]

  intelligently recognize this but it was [TS]

  your thumb is simply resting on the [TS]

  display or whether you're intentionally [TS]

  interacting with it the kind of detail [TS]

  you'll noticed by not noticing it and [TS]

  it's a great example of how Apple [TS]

  heartburn saw her work together blah [TS]

  blah blah so they've thought of this and [TS]

  they think they have a software solution [TS]

  which is ignore that thumb would when [TS]

  you're just holding it and they in the [TS]

  videos they show in low commercials [TS]

  sometimes they show someone saying look [TS]

  he's he's he's a happy guy he's just [TS]

  happy model holding his ipad mini his [TS]

  thumbs on the screen no big deal it [TS]

  works fine like he's using it with the [TS]

  other hand but i'll just sections they [TS]

  show here's a dude with his finger just [TS]

  barely on that edge like if you're like [TS]

  oh god dude don't shake your aunt like [TS]

  are you sure you have a secure grip on [TS]

  that thing because i know you don't want [TS]

  to touch the screen like and this is [TS]

  what i worry about with this thing again [TS]

  not having touch it is that even if it [TS]

  works exactly as advertised [TS]

  could put your thumb on there it's not a [TS]

  big deal people will feel like they [TS]

  shouldn't put their thumb there and try [TS]

  to hold it by that little thin edge on [TS]

  the side in practice I think the thing [TS]

  that may save it is the same thing that [TS]

  saves the iphone and the ipod touch them [TS]

  holding in my hand right now it's so [TS]

  small you can hold it with one hand and [TS]

  once you get and on both sides of it you [TS]

  don't need an edge to grip like you do [TS]

  on the iPad right just put it in one [TS]

  hand now for people with small hands or [TS]

  women younger people men with small [TS]

  hands maybe that's not comfortable maybe [TS]

  they do the thumb that the pinky perch [TS]

  on the bottom that you do the pinky [TS]

  perch yeah where you sort of use that as [TS]

  the the rest if you will yeah like [TS]

  they're there maybe this will be a [TS]

  complete non-issue and the thing that [TS]

  gives me confidence about this it's like [TS]

  apple doesn't make these decisions [TS]

  arbitrarily uh they have people carrying [TS]

  these things around in the labs for a [TS]

  tremendous amount of time whatever [TS]

  trade-off they think they're making here [TS]

  I you know I think they're comfortable [TS]

  with it they're not going to be shocked [TS]

  and surprised as like oh oh my god you [TS]

  know that it just because Apple can be [TS]

  surprised I mean this may still be the [TS]

  next manufactured controversy you know [TS]

  where they make up something like edges [TS]

  are too thin people are dropping their [TS]

  iPad Mini that people may manufacture [TS]

  that scandal but if you like Apple has a [TS]

  good idea of the trade-offs involved [TS]

  they decided this is the correct one [TS]

  I'll have to see one in person to decide [TS]

  why they decided this was the correct [TS]

  one because you might say what's the big [TS]

  deal why not just put a little bit [TS]

  bigger border on that the thing that I'm [TS]

  thinking right now not seeing when the [TS]

  person is that if you put the bigger [TS]

  border on it it makes it makes it harder [TS]

  to reach the far edge of the screen with [TS]

  your thumb because they show you using [TS]

  this thing like you use a phone one hand [TS]

  with a thumb not that you can reach your [TS]

  thumb to every corner of the screen but [TS]

  you can get a lot done with just your [TS]

  thumb and a little hand shimmy and if [TS]

  they have the full size borders it's [TS]

  harder to get from to get your thumb [TS]

  from one edge all I do village because [TS]

  you've got to reach all the way over [TS]

  that that gap that's my guess for why [TS]

  they did this and you know that's what [TS]

  they're trading off but like we can make [TS]

  this one hand thumb a bowl a little bit [TS]

  easier to make those edges thinner in [TS]

  the trade-off is we gotta feel that [TS]

  figure out how to deal with the glass [TS]

  touching thing my other caution by the [TS]

  glass touching is how does it know that [TS]

  I'm not I'm not interacting with or [TS]

  whatever is it because people tend not [TS]

  to put control is that close to the edge [TS]

  of the screen is it because you see my [TS]

  thumb and it does [TS]

  where you see my film and it does move [TS]

  lots of people said iOS 6 already has [TS]

  this feature and on an existing iPad or [TS]

  iPhone you can do the same thing and it [TS]

  won't detect your thumb I when I read [TS]

  that tweet I tried it in twitterrific [TS]

  and no matter how i touch my thumb to [TS]

  the edge of the screen twitterrific it [TS]

  accepted that input so it's obvious not [TS]

  not an OS wide feature that affects all [TS]

  applications in iOS 6 but there may be [TS]

  something that I'm missing there so i [TS]

  look forward to trying one of these out [TS]

  and learning how they work in real life [TS]

  with with a real real you situations and [TS]

  I'm you're so great and compare this in [TS]

  a way if you will to the setting in in [TS]

  Mac OS 10 or OS 10 is no we're not [TS]

  supposed to call it and I'm looking for [TS]

  this let's see where this is these days [TS]

  i think it is under isn't it under [TS]

  accessibility track bad track its I [TS]

  don't think it's is it under trackpad [TS]

  where you can or yeah that's the one [TS]

  yeah well unfortunately for the [TS]

  pessimistic side of this every nerd I [TS]

  know has that turned off because if you [TS]

  leave that it's the worst it's the worst [TS]

  infuriated by like because it doesn't [TS]

  know what your intention is ignore [TS]

  unintentional touches and what it ends [TS]

  up doing is ignoring some legitimate [TS]

  touches and you're like no you listen to [TS]

  my touch when I touch you you move the [TS]

  cursor and like you once you're like I'm [TS]

  going to that preference and turn that [TS]

  thing off and that's like if you go to [TS]

  apple tech notes and stuff they're like [TS]

  are you having trouble with input oh [TS]

  just make sure you turn this piss like [TS]

  well why do you even have that feature [TS]

  of all your like technical support and [TS]

  genius doesn't help and every nerd us [TS]

  says you got to turn that off man so [TS]

  that is a you know scenario where I like [TS]

  maybe they do made the opposite choice [TS]

  maybe they like the air in the other [TS]

  direction on the iPad where it's better [TS]

  to have accidental or intentional and [TS]

  touches then to ignore when you want it [TS]

  to and if they just switch that balance [TS]

  it could end up being a nice feature but [TS]

  you're that's that's a good point to [TS]

  bring up that we've been down this road [TS]

  before and it hasn't worked out that [TS]

  well hopefully they learned from this [TS]

  same experience and we'll see how this [TS]

  works because that's the worst case [TS]

  scenario that you get this thing and [TS]

  it's a it probably wouldn't be a setting [TS]

  in iOS and then you're angry if you're [TS]

  not jailbreaking right and be like [TS]

  you're trying to I try to use the iPad [TS]

  many of them so so fresh [TS]

  many of them so so fresh [TS]

  creating one it ignores my thumb's girl [TS]

  because it thinks I'm unintentionally [TS]

  touching it that would be bad they do [TS]

  have a new smaller smart cover for this [TS]

  thing they ditch the aluminum hinge part [TS]

  and tried to pitch it as an advantage [TS]

  now it's just a full piece of [TS]

  polyurethane was the magnets shoved [TS]

  inside it right the the aluminum hinge [TS]

  like the problem with it that I see in [TS]

  practice have used a lot of them from [