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0:00:03at you but listening to you but looking

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0:00:05that happens in real life right this is

0:00:11hypercritical weekly talk show ruminate

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0:00:23n yurs co-host of the show John siracusa

0:00:26I'm Dan Benjamin today is Friday October

0:00:2819 2012 to episode number ninety 90 it

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0:01:09John siracusa of Massachusetts how are

0:01:12you today I am just dandy let me ask you

0:01:17a quick question before you before you

0:01:18dive in mm-hmm this packs thing this

0:01:22Boston packs thing yes you go to that

0:01:24right I do all right I'm gonna go this

0:01:27year you are well I will see you there

0:01:30if you are willing to sit on long lines

0:01:33or visit me wha set on Long alliance

0:01:34because that's what I do it packs as I

0:01:36sit online oh yes let's let's do it or

0:01:40in line I don't know which one is the

0:01:42one that people from New York are

0:01:43supposed to say I don't know in mine or

0:01:47online what are you going to be doing

0:01:48that just visiting for your own

0:01:50amusement or are you going to be doing

0:01:52some sort of business related stuff I

0:01:53have never been to any kind of packs and

0:01:57this this seems like a good opportunity

0:02:01to both hang out with John Siracusa and

0:02:05the Syracuse ins as well as going to a

0:02:10really cool thing

0:02:12is this the good one to go to or do you

0:02:13a my supposed to go to pax West I go to

0:02:17this one Union you know I go to this one

0:02:18cuz it's in the same city where I live

0:02:20and I hate to travel yeah so it's not

0:02:22the good it's not really the good one

0:02:23yeah pax prime is the west coast one it

0:02:25was the first one I'm sure that they

0:02:26will say the first is the best and blah

0:02:28blah blah from what I've never been

0:02:30dating them except for East and having

0:02:32but having read a lot about the other

0:02:34ones it seems like East has the best

0:02:36convention center because we have this

0:02:37new gigantic Convention Center and there

0:02:40there's actually enough room for 60,000

0:02:42people where you don't feel like it's

0:02:44completely overwhelmed and I think the

0:02:47west coast one like they've maxed out

0:02:49their convention center there but it's

0:02:51not quite as nice or spread out that is

0:02:53my impression from what I've read okay

0:02:55but it seems like the same people are at

0:02:57both things so you're not like missing

0:02:59anybody by going to use to Wes although

0:03:01last year Scott Kurtz wasn't at East but

0:03:03that was even on vacation in Australia I

0:03:05think you would have missed West for the

0:03:06same reason all right but anyway I think

0:03:08I think you will enjoy it somebody will

0:03:12get some tickets if you like waiting in

0:03:14line you better hurry up you know that

0:03:15are the tickets did you were to get them

0:03:16because I think thority the three-day

0:03:17passes already media passes are gone but

0:03:19that's just a steel you just save you

0:03:21save like 30 bucks yeah but if I'm

0:03:23flying out there anyway I'm in 30 boxes

0:03:24I'll just I just won't eat one day well

0:03:26you better hurry up and get the one-day

0:03:28passes I'm saying they sell out

0:03:29eventually as well I'll get them before

0:03:31before the end of the day so what do you

0:03:33want to see when you go like besides

0:03:35like seeing people other people you know

0:03:37waiting in line which isn't that

0:03:39exciting what do you want to see at the

0:03:40the convention itself well I mean there

0:03:43are so many cool things that are going

0:03:45on there that they haven't really

0:03:46announced what the official schedule is

0:03:51but everything I've heard about

0:03:52especially from you you talk you've

0:03:53talked about this but they have a well

0:03:55you know they have one in uh well I

0:03:58guess yeah yeah Australia now they're

0:04:00going to have one in Australia yes that

0:04:01was announced at PAX East or no I PAX

0:04:04Prime I believe this year you're

0:04:07supposed to have one here coming here

0:04:09maybe to texas austin texas i heard i

0:04:11think they're doing probably gonna do

0:04:12England first or somewhere in Europe

0:04:14first cuz the international people are

0:04:16tired of traveling to different

0:04:17countries to go to these things yeah so

0:04:20South anywhere in the south is a is a

0:04:22stretch and I like that the first

0:04:25question in the

0:04:25general faq is can I bring my nerf gun

0:04:28lightsaber other weird thing that's the

0:04:32very first question in the fact so these

0:04:34are my kind of my kind of people I feel

0:04:35like I need you know I need to connect

0:04:37go to connect with the folks that done

0:04:38that I love I don't know if they're your

0:04:40kind of people like I didn't touch you a

0:04:43lot of people touch each other one no

0:04:45and they then they're my kind of people

0:04:47they don't recognize me at all which is

0:04:49refreshing from in some ways and you

0:04:54know so it's a different it's a

0:04:55different crowd in that respect but

0:04:56they're my people in that they're mostly

0:04:59gamers and I identify as a gamer so

0:05:02that's why I feel at home but no

0:05:05identifies as a game identify as gamer I

0:05:08do ah yeah so as we get closer I can

0:05:12give you some advice on the on how to

0:05:15get in to see the things you actually

0:05:16want to see and what you will have to

0:05:18sacrifice to do that right okay your

0:05:20sanity your your well-being right eating

0:05:25or drinking crash it's been a while

0:05:26since I've been a Logan though I don't

0:05:28know if I can stomach it just may

0:05:30remember that you will not get your

0:05:32luggage until an hour after you have the

0:05:34part of the plan let's just assume that

0:05:36going in don't don't like get all mad

0:05:37about it just like get out of play and

0:05:39say well I luggage will be here an hour

0:05:40what should we do while we wait all

0:05:41right bringing board games one time I

0:05:44was at Logan that's a long story forget

0:05:46it it's one time at band camp all right

0:05:49let's get into the show here let's do it

0:05:51yes time for some follow up follow up a

0:05:54few I had a number one with a bullet on

0:05:57the last show talked about the magazine

0:06:00Marco's new publishing venture and I

0:06:02mentioned he had something called the

0:06:04feature which was selected items from

0:06:07instant paper and things that have been

0:06:09Instapaper ah and something else called

0:06:13the brief and I said that was part of

0:06:15Marcos the empires and I you know what I

0:06:18thought that it was too and it turns out

0:06:20it he he says it's not yes it's not so

0:06:23like I that's what I get for trying to

0:06:25do show notes links like in the the 15

0:06:28minutes before the show starts he posted

0:06:30about it and the brief is a site by

0:06:32Richard dumb dunlop Walters who is the

0:06:34designer and editor of the feature right

0:06:36so Marco pause on his side and right

0:06:39those words I'm like oh this must be

0:06:40some affiliate thing but it's not it

0:06:41just happens to be the same guy who

0:06:43designs and edits the feature but the

0:06:46brief is his own thing so Marco is in no

0:06:48way affiliated with the brief other than

0:06:50he knows the guy who made it so full

0:06:52credit to Richard Dunlop Walters who has

0:06:54a hyphen in his last name and the

0:06:57description of this to remind people is

0:06:58a daily briefing of technology news

0:07:00worth caring about edited by Richard

0:07:03Dunlop Walters so there you go i will

0:07:04put that in the show notes if it's not

0:07:06already there and I apologize for Miss

0:07:10tributing that but you can see how i

0:07:11would get confused with the the Empire

0:07:13the Empire yeah yeah second thing I was

0:07:16confused about which I was surprised you

0:07:17didn't catch ah was that I was talking

0:07:20about your visit to the verge and stuff

0:07:21when you went to New York yes oh yeah

0:07:23yeah and I said that you had taken a

0:07:26picture yourself trying to look like a

0:07:28meal dash but yes and it was neil patel

0:07:30and i missed it also because I spent so

0:07:33much time we had a had a great lunch

0:07:35with the Neil out there and and like

0:07:38that just it just I just messed up too

0:07:40like I should have caught that so

0:07:41apologies to both a Neil and Neil I for

0:07:45mistakenly and they're nothing like each

0:07:48other I mean except for the fact that

0:07:49they live in New York both mostly

0:07:51apologies to anneal because I don't

0:07:53think he would ever dress that way with

0:07:55the witness he like dark like that and

0:07:57and this is the shades yeah he's much

0:07:59too dignified here's an amazing dresser

0:08:01I'll tell you what you if you're dude

0:08:03and you want to look good the Neil dash

0:08:06will set you straight he's the man all

0:08:10right well quaffed as you would say some

0:08:13tent follow up tent dentists not ten

0:08:17Tostan through that's terrible ten

0:08:21thought I oh the tent protocol

0:08:22decentralized protocol for stuff that

0:08:24looks kind of like a planet or Twitter

0:08:26or whatever yeah and the eternal debate

0:08:28over whether if someone has 30 million

0:08:31followers do they have to send out 30

0:08:33million HTTP POST request when they make

0:08:37a post all their followers see it or if

0:08:39users are aggregated if like a whole

0:08:42bunch of people are on the 10 is 10

0:08:44hosting server yeah you only have to

0:08:46send one post request to some URL at 10

0:08:49that is and it will make sure that

0:08:50everybody who is on

0:08:52I ass gets and according to Daniel

0:08:54ciders right now it is one post per user

0:08:56so you would literally have to do 30

0:08:58million posts if you have 30 million

0:09:00users follow certain running 30 million

0:09:01followers regardless of how many were on

0:09:04any individual server but he says a

0:09:05future update a tent will optimize

0:09:07multi-tenant server communication so

0:09:09this is an optimization I have not yet

0:09:11made but they are planning on it so

0:09:13there you have from the horses now

0:09:14actually circling back to the magazine

0:09:18one little bit a follow-up on that I

0:09:21don't know why didn't I think I did have

0:09:23a something I was knighted skipton one

0:09:25other interesting thing about the

0:09:26magazine which I believe Marco will talk

0:09:28about on this week's show because he

0:09:29said like last week he talked about the

0:09:30magazine and the launch and everything

0:09:31and he said this week is going to talk

0:09:33about already call it design or

0:09:34something yeah and this falls under the

0:09:37category of design I guess when you're

0:09:39reading the magazine and there's a link

0:09:42in one of the articles that you're

0:09:43reading you tap it like i said it brings

0:09:44up that little side of the last show

0:09:46brings up the little one third of the

0:09:48screen preview of the link or pop over

0:09:51on the ipad but say you decide you want

0:09:54to actually go to that link and you tap

0:09:55on the title of the link inside the

0:09:57little preview it will open the link in

0:09:59a web browser ah but in version 1.0 and

0:10:021.1 of the magazine reader application

0:10:05if you have the chrome browser installed

0:10:08the chrome for iOS browser and it will

0:10:10open the link in chrome if you don't

0:10:12have the chrome browser install it will

0:10:13open in safari and i think marco was

0:10:16very surprised at the number of people

0:10:18who like me have the chrome browser

0:10:20installed but do not use it or prefer it

0:10:22right so soon as i go to follow a link

0:10:24it's like why is this opening first I

0:10:25thought is this some custom browser view

0:10:27that he's like all right no that's

0:10:29Chrome yeah like it's it's switched

0:10:30applications on me uh so he's getting a

0:10:33lot of complaints about that I think I

0:10:35could have told me we get a lot of

0:10:36complaints about that because I'm one of

0:10:38those users and I'm like out you know I

0:10:39can't be the only person who's like

0:10:40crumbs that let me download it now just

0:10:42leave it there case maybe I needed or

0:10:44something only works in chrome or

0:10:45whatever or safaris Mobile Safari is

0:10:48crapping out on me yeah but I don't you

0:10:50know there's no it's really iOS is fault

0:10:52because there's no way for you to set

0:10:53your default application for different

0:10:55protocols or whatever right but that's a

0:10:58shame and I think based on the

0:11:01complaints that he's getting i assume

0:11:02he's going to revisit this policy of

0:11:05just

0:11:05chrome is installed open your think rum

0:11:07I think people who do like chrome and

0:11:09try to use it as their main browser

0:11:10appreciate this I can see what he's

0:11:11going for like isn't that thoughtful it

0:11:13knows that I had I use chrome and it you

0:11:15know unlike all those other thoughtless

0:11:16applications this one opens my links in

0:11:18chrome is exactly what I want thumbs up

0:11:19but seems like the flip side of that of

0:11:23the people who just happen to have

0:11:24chrome installed they have no recourse

0:11:26except for to uninstall it which seems

0:11:27you know right heavyweight oh let's see

0:11:32next bit is on the f-15 believe it or

0:11:35not did you see this bit of all I did

0:11:38not what is tell me what's going on with

0:11:40the f-15 the mcdonnell douglas f-15

0:11:41eagle strike eagles and a strike eagle I

0:11:45don't know something like that anyway

0:11:46Dave M rights in it says on

0:11:48hypercritical 86 at some point for god

0:11:51knows what reason thank you you asked me

0:11:53what I thought the top speed of a Hornet

0:11:55wasn't I totally blew it right and and I

0:11:57guess something that was closer to what

0:11:58the top speed for what would the f-15

0:12:00would be and then you look at the f-15

0:12:02and said okay you're right about the

0:12:03f-15 like that must have been what you

0:12:05were thinking out whatever and I think I

0:12:08listed off like Mach 2 2.5 to be a 15 so

0:12:11Dave M rights and to say that the author

0:12:13James P Stephenson learned this is not

0:12:16exactly true that the f-15s top speed is

0:12:18a mock 2.5 in the preface to his book

0:12:21which I have linked in the show notes

0:12:22called the Pentagon paradox Stevenson

0:12:25was told that the f-15 can theoretically

0:12:27fly mock 2.5 but this is tactically

0:12:29irrelevant and so here are the details

0:12:31of this that he's gleaned from the book

0:12:33when the air force flew and at 15 at

0:12:36Mach 2 they had to make many

0:12:38modifications to the aircraft that would

0:12:39not be done in a tactical situation such

0:12:41as removing all weapons including the

0:12:43bombs missiles as well as the internal

0:12:44God and its ammunition refueling

0:12:47immediately before accelerating to mock

0:12:48to landing immediately after reaching

0:12:51Mach 2 because the aircraft was

0:12:52literally out of fuel at that point in

0:12:55addition to accelerate to Mach 2 the

0:12:58pilot has to hit a button on the control

0:12:59stick called V Max and the author learn

0:13:02nothing nothing to do with emacs now the

0:13:04author learned that whenever the vmax

0:13:06button is activated piece times

0:13:07regulations say that the engine can only

0:13:09be run for five minutes of that setting

0:13:11before they have to be replaced and

0:13:12overhaul as two engines in 15 so the

0:13:15conclusion is that the Mach 2 speed is

0:13:17only good for air shows for beating

0:13:19their Navy counterparts

0:13:20for impressing non inquisitive members

0:13:21of Congress of course the flip side

0:13:24conspiracy theory of this is they'll

0:13:26never tell you what the real top speed

0:13:28is this is all sandbagging and really

0:13:29they don't want that to the Reds the

0:13:31Soviets to know what the real top speed

0:13:33is but at this point with the Cold War

0:13:36long gone I totally believe that this

0:13:40type of thing would happen and that they

0:13:41would list top speed for bragging rights

0:13:43and he's kind of like it gives with cars

0:13:45as well where well if cars is a little

0:13:48bit different but like the the Bugatti

0:13:50Veyron I figure the top speed is like

0:13:52158 or something like that it's

0:13:53something ridiculously high but to

0:13:55actually achieve that speed you have to

0:13:56go into a special mode that involves

0:13:58like parking the car stopping it putting

0:14:00like it's not like putting like the two

0:14:02keys like in the submarine thing and

0:14:03never turn the two keys at the same time

0:14:05and just you know okay I'm going to go

0:14:06to top speed run then of course you need

0:14:08a fairly straight flat road with no

0:14:11potholes that runs for miles and miles

0:14:14for you to get up to 258 but technically

0:14:16yes the Bugatti Veyron can go over 250

0:14:19miles an hour if all these conditions

0:14:21are met oh and I believe that the Veyron

0:14:23runs out of fuel like 10 or 15 minutes

0:14:25that speed as well it runs listing the

0:14:30the Veyron speeding km/h because of the

0:14:32top gear episode yeah we don't we don't

0:14:33do that it's miles per hour miles per

0:14:35hour King miles are king they always

0:14:38will be all right um so I think that's

0:14:44it for follow up today that's it yeah

0:14:48does you think of something I'm missing

0:14:49on the hall and do it's your show no

0:14:52let's say I mean 15 minutes is

0:14:54reasonable for all up is it not 14

0:14:56minutes yeah sure it's gonna be a short

0:14:58show you know the drill now right yeah

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0:16:50/ 5 by 5 the chat room has been

0:16:54discussing the veyron David Smith no

0:16:56underscore today this is the how do we

0:16:58know it's the same dude it's not the

0:16:59same dude I think the same one that the

0:17:02the veyron super sport does 267 miles

0:17:04per hour and the regular 253 in kc list

0:17:09says it based on his recollection the

0:17:11secret sequence to achieve top speed of

0:17:14the Veyron is it likely there's a

0:17:15keyhole in the door jamb and you have to

0:17:17put the key into there and twist that

0:17:19first and it lowers the suspension and

0:17:20prevents the spoiler from just deploying

0:17:23does all sorts of other things that

0:17:24right important for top speed run hey

0:17:29you're on boy that's an ugly cars and

0:17:30you know what you know what that looks

0:17:31like mmm no not off the top but I rayner

0:17:34it's ugly take my word for okay it's a

0:17:38shame that the fastest car in the world

0:17:39should be so ugly mere decades ago

0:17:43mclaren f1

0:17:46was not ugly it was also the best card

0:17:48now we didn't now we just had the veyron

0:17:50it's a shame all right so I had I want

0:17:55to talk about Twitter and app.net usage

0:17:57and stuff today but to other topics have

0:17:59snuck their way in ahead of it oh I

0:18:04think the first one wants to talk about

0:18:06the October 23rd apple event I don't

0:18:09know how much you've talked about this

0:18:10on other shows only little we talked

0:18:12about an unamplified and I was you know

0:18:15I was trying to kind of get out of gym

0:18:16what what it might have what else might

0:18:21be happening besides the ipad junior but

0:18:23he was not really it was not really

0:18:28willing to say yeah we should talk about

0:18:30that all i'll talk about being the ipad

0:18:32mini not junior first and then impede

0:18:35other things okay so close it oh noes

0:18:37october twenty third this is the apple

0:18:39event that we're all expecting to happen

0:18:40in october biz like they're going to do

0:18:42one for the iphone 5 and then in october

0:18:45there's gonna be another event and

0:18:46that's what they're going to introduce a

0:18:47little ipad so people were getting

0:18:48worried that like you know we haven't

0:18:50heard anything and it's getting into

0:18:51october now when are they gonna announce

0:18:53it and then there was the you know maybe

0:18:55this just not going to be an October

0:18:56event which I have to say I was starting

0:18:58to get on board with that because as

0:19:00October wore on and there was no

0:19:01announced I'm like maybe they just

0:19:03didn't make it for the holidays and

0:19:04they're just gonna have to wait till

0:19:04next year and then at the ridge next

0:19:06year would be like march or something

0:19:07you know because you have to like you

0:19:09have to give a grace period around

0:19:11Christmas so that people don't hate you

0:19:13because they you know i got an ipad 3

0:19:15for christmas and then like in january

0:19:18they replace the whole line of ipads and

0:19:20you feel terrible about this this

0:19:21paperweight you got of christmas is

0:19:23useless might as well just smash it to

0:19:24bits right but it looks like they're

0:19:28gonna make it and I can't imagine that

0:19:30they can have an october twenty third

0:19:31event and say and this stuff isn't

0:19:33shipping until the new year because that

0:19:35would be death and it would be

0:19:36incredibly stupid an apple does not do

0:19:37that so they've got something to

0:19:39announce that's going to show up for the

0:19:40holiday season this year we all assume

0:19:42one thing is going to be a smaller iPad

0:19:45which we've been calling the iPad Mini

0:19:46or the ipad junior or whatever this is a

0:19:4910 a.m. pacific time in san jose some

0:19:51people talk about why the heck is it in

0:19:52san jose because they usually have their

0:19:55events in San Francisco but you know I'm

0:19:57is just booking for venue or something

0:19:59so this is another case like the iphone

0:20:025 where we've talked about this little

0:20:04thing for just just months and months

0:20:06now right we have spyshots speculation

0:20:10about the specs for just every maybe

0:20:11it's even been more than what seems like

0:20:13forever we've been talking about this

0:20:14and it's another case where it seems

0:20:16like we know everything about it going

0:20:18in right just from like all of us

0:20:21obsessing over it and rehashing the

0:20:25specs and the price point and stuff like

0:20:26that that we're like we've converged on

0:20:28something and we all expect to see this

0:20:31event on the twenty-third and not be

0:20:34surprised right do you do you expect to

0:20:35be surprised no anybody know it seems

0:20:38like we've all got it nailed down now

0:20:40that could be a time for Apple to

0:20:43surprise us but you know all right so

0:20:46anyway to review what we all think the

0:20:47specs are going to be 7.5 inch diagonal

0:20:49display at 1024 x 768 which is the

0:20:53original iPad and the iPad tues

0:20:55resolution that is not retina is 163 DPI

0:20:59instead of 264 DPI for the ipad 3 and

0:21:03based on our previous hashing this out

0:21:07it's like well one all the buttons be

0:21:08too small if you take the original iPad

0:21:10screen and squish it down to from you

0:21:12know 9.7 27.8 so 85 and it reality is

0:21:17they won't be too small all will do is

0:21:19make the touch targets 44 pixel tall

0:21:21touch targets exactly the same size as

0:21:23they were on the original iphone it's

0:21:26smaller than they are on the current

0:21:27crop of iPads but it's not smaller than

0:21:30things are on the iphone so it's still

0:21:32within apples on self mandated

0:21:34guidelines that don't make anything

0:21:36that's smaller than 44 points on the

0:21:40screen and of course Apple itself

0:21:41violates that all the time like the or

0:21:44at least visually violates that i'm not

0:21:45sure what the actual activated touch

0:21:47target areas are for things like

0:21:48Notification Center when you swipe that

0:21:50down in iOS 5 or 6 the little clear

0:21:53targets of revisions or like I found in

0:21:57the new in iOS 6 in the new version of

0:21:58the app store there's lots of touch

0:22:00targets there we did like you want to

0:22:02disclose more of a description of a nap

0:22:04and you have to tap the word more with

0:22:06like a little triangle hanging down from

0:22:07any can't like maybe that touch target

0:22:09is 44 pixels but big is very real time

0:22:11to nail

0:22:13I feel like if they are 44 pixels it's

0:22:15it's psyching me out to seek to not see

0:22:17some 44 pixel tall point tall box that I

0:22:20have to hit and I have to like you know

0:22:21I came just for that word yeah but

0:22:24anyway basically we've all agreed months

0:22:28ago that this screen that we're talking

0:22:30about if it is a reality fits within all

0:22:33the guidelines it doesn't doesn't change

0:22:35doesn't make things too small to hit

0:22:37it's not ridiculous to assume that an

0:22:38iPad could be pushed onto a screen this

0:22:40size people won't have to write rewrite

0:22:43their iPad applications that work as is

0:22:45like you know everything's a go there

0:22:46there's been some debate about whether

0:22:49we'll have Wi-Fi and 4G or just Wi-Fi I

0:22:53guess I guess this is my last chance to

0:22:55make prediction so I have to give my

0:22:56predictions about I believe that screen

0:22:58rumor I believe there will be a Wi-Fi

0:22:59model and there will be also a model

0:23:01that also has 4g why do I think that

0:23:04because they've got the chipsets to do

0:23:07it and all the ipad line has always had

0:23:12this and I think it's great advantage

0:23:14and I really hope it has this so it's

0:23:15it's fifty percent me hoping that it has

0:23:174g because I love that feature of the

0:23:19ipad line I wish the ipod touch hasn't

0:23:21had it in fact and the other 50

0:23:23percentage has always been that way and

0:23:24they've got the parts to do it right

0:23:26pricing is the real like the only

0:23:31remaining mystery because of course you

0:23:32know pricing we don't have much to go on

0:23:34there we can't it's not going to be

0:23:36there's going to be parts leaks and

0:23:37we've seen leaks of the pieces of the

0:23:39case in the screen and all sorts of us

0:23:40stuff but pricing you know according to

0:23:43all these stories we've heard from

0:23:44inside Apple can happen really at the

0:23:48last minute like nothing you need to

0:23:49prepare for you don't need a factory

0:23:50forward or whatever someone just decides

0:23:52this is the price point then you just

0:23:53update all your databases and push it

0:23:55out at that price point ah the easy

0:23:58answer for pricing the one that getting

0:24:02the most supportive it if you just pull

0:24:04the entire Mac nerd community is that it

0:24:07will be 2 99 for a 16 gigabyte Wi-Fi

0:24:09version that I think is the easy answer

0:24:11like I don't want to have to put my

0:24:13stick my neck out in any way it seems a

0:24:16little bit too expensive but then again

0:24:18this doesn't apple stuff always seemed a

0:24:20little bit too expensive Apple can

0:24:22command a premium blah blah blah right

0:24:24like this this device presumably

0:24:26would be able to command a premium over

0:24:28the other devices that are similarly

0:24:30sized the nexus 7 the kindle fire stuff

0:24:33like that my answer is my conservative

0:24:36answer is 249 for a 16 gigabyte Wi-Fi

0:24:39model that that's my conservative answer

0:24:41because I feel like 299 the whole point

0:24:44of this product as far as I'm concerned

0:24:45is to hit a price point it's not to make

0:24:47something smaller it's not to bring new

0:24:49features or anything that it's to hit a

0:24:51price point and you know if that's its

0:24:55reason for existence Apple can totally

0:24:59support a 249 price for the 16 gigabyte

0:25:01model and I think that would that would

0:25:05make more of a splash that's my my

0:25:06conservative answer my optimistic answer

0:25:08is 199 416 can go by Wi-Fi I also think

0:25:11Apple can at that price that's

0:25:13optimistic because just because they can

0:25:15hit that price it's like don't we get

0:25:17most of the benefit at 249 that we would

0:25:18have won 99 because realistically all

0:25:20these models have been talking about the

0:25:21bottom of the line 16 k by Wi-Fi the

0:25:24apples going to upset you know people

0:25:25are going to buy the 32 right there you

0:25:28know or they're gonna buy with 4G or

0:25:29like this this is to get you in the door

0:25:32I would love to see a breakdown I don't

0:25:34think Apple gives us breakdown cuz its

0:25:35competitive info but I would love to see

0:25:37a breakdown of how many of the

0:25:39SuperDuper low-end do they sell versus

0:25:41how many people are they able to upsell

0:25:42into like a 32 gig or the 16 gig with 4G

0:25:45or whatever right like that gets you in

0:25:47the door to say oh you're shopping

0:25:48around for Kindle Fire well did you know

0:25:50there's a new iPad app it's the same

0:25:51price it's not your you're gonna walk

0:25:53out with with the iPad it's gonna cost

0:25:55you way more than you would have spent

0:25:56on it on the kindle fire but it'll get

0:25:58you into the store once you see it maybe

0:25:59you can you know figured that out some

0:26:02people in the chat room and I've seen

0:26:03some other people asking about it in a

0:26:04gigabyte model I just don't see that

0:26:06like the apples getting out of the egg

0:26:09egg business and I there would be a

0:26:10terrible shame if it did 19 298 gig like

0:26:13that's that would be an apple move to

0:26:15give you to try to put the low-end

0:26:17machine to be a crappy one that no one

0:26:18should ever really buy you know like the

0:26:21he's holding wouldn't Apple I mean just

0:26:22think about this wooden Apple rather

0:26:23have something in people's hands even if

0:26:25it even if the experience is aunt and

0:26:28you know the experience would be fine

0:26:29with an eight gig fine what if you're

0:26:33you know for a student for afro a junior

0:26:36high kid eight gig is gonna be fine I

0:26:39disagree i think the

0:26:40a gig is just fine i think apple should

0:26:42absolutely make one especially

0:26:43especially if it gets it into that price

0:26:45point because then they can come out and

0:26:47say you know what we have a device here

0:26:48and the device is good and it works well

0:26:50and it's under 200 bucks like that night

0:26:54come on it can't happen though because

0:26:56like you're right that it's gotta have a

0:26:58device for apps and everything but you

0:27:01can't do anything with me and it you

0:27:02can't have your ID ruins collection on

0:27:03there you can t use about a season of TV

0:27:06shows modify you know a place to eat

0:27:09that's a geek solution there I don't

0:27:11feel like people want media like one

0:27:13movie blows you and the reason I think

0:27:15this is because like we said in the past

0:27:18shows storage management on the ipad or

0:27:20an iOS is still kind of a pain and geeky

0:27:22like there's not a nice experience when

0:27:24you fill up your iOS device there's not

0:27:27an easy way for you to figure out what

0:27:29to do right I can imagine people just

0:27:31being like just just fumbling and

0:27:33feeling frustrated or whatever and since

0:27:35they drop the eight gig models of the

0:27:36phones like now the minimum phone is 16

0:27:39I've got to think that that wasn't there

0:27:41it wasn't their time where the minimum

0:27:43ipad was below the minimum phone I made

0:27:46me remember i may be misremembering that

0:27:48maybe the Jackals can can tell us now

0:27:50just like that didn't they duel in a gig

0:27:513gs or something hmm like yeah then i

0:27:56think a gig is is it as a non-starter

0:27:58and really how much more money do you

0:28:00think it costs Apple to get 16 gigs or

0:28:02has eight gigs of flash like just in the

0:28:03component costs like it's not they don't

0:28:07have to put it this way they don't have

0:28:08to go eight gig to hit 199 swilling

0:28:11onsets Williams says all ipads have

0:28:13started at 16 yeah i'm just saying i

0:28:15think i think there is still room for an

0:28:18eight gig i would not buy this no one

0:28:21should buy it no one but you never know

0:28:23and didn't it Horace dead you put up a a

0:28:27chart about this that you met did you

0:28:29mention that if not we should put that

0:28:31in and I thought you mentioned that but

0:28:33they came up with a he came up they it's

0:28:36a he iOS portfolio price distribution

0:28:39and he does in his chart have you seen

0:28:43this out well I have not seen how a

0:28:45message this to you he tweeted but

0:28:46sometimes I don't know if you tweeted it

0:28:48but it's going to be in the show notes

0:28:49i'm also dropping it into the chat for

0:28:51the Jackals

0:28:52and I'll put this into the show notes he

0:28:54basically just kind of kind of goes over

0:28:57all the variants and what he thinks the

0:28:59ipad minion he lists an ipad mini with

0:29:02eight uh the the W next to the eight

0:29:05represents whether it's Wi-Fi there's a

0:29:07w-4 Wi-Fi only in ac4 cellular he lists

0:29:11an ipad mini eight gigs with Wi-Fi only

0:29:14and he prices it at 249 I'm guessing as

0:29:18it's mid between the two hundred three

0:29:20hundred so 250 bucks is his guess at the

0:29:23entry level I mean like I know I'm calm

0:29:27almost kind of contradicting myself

0:29:28because if I say this is really about

0:29:29hitting price point like isn't it

0:29:31important trampled to get down as low as

0:29:32they possibly can and if they just if

0:29:34they just feel like we've just got to

0:29:36have those fat margins and we you know I

0:29:38just I'm still I'm still an TI I think

0:29:41they shouldn't make one and I think they

0:29:42won't make one with a date I think

0:29:45they'll start a 16 but I could be wrong

0:29:46but anyway regardless of the storage

0:29:49size those are my pricing predictions

0:29:50249 is my conservative answer at 199 is

0:29:53mathematic for the bottom line whatever

0:29:55the bottom line happens to be I really

0:29:57don't think the bottom line is going to

0:29:59be 300 even though that seems to be the

0:30:01way that everybody is leaning because I

0:30:03really truly believe that the purpose of

0:30:04this product is they at a price point

0:30:05now as we've discussed some past shows

0:30:08and people keep turning up you can't

0:30:10sell it for 249 or 199 the the the

0:30:13entry-level good ipod touch is 299 let

0:30:17me just double check this to keep

0:30:18getting the price around but that's

0:30:19right isn't it that does sound right to

0:30:21me he goes what's look it up ipod the

0:30:26chat room the Jackals are irate that

0:30:28there be that an eight gig would even

0:30:31exist yes I'm irate of the day by the

0:30:34way you can see the shows as show notes

0:30:35and links by going to five by five TV

0:30:38such hypercritical / 90 that will show

0:30:41you all of the links and stuff that we

0:30:42are referencing so if you want to follow

0:30:44along at home you can do it that way

0:30:46yeah so the big modern ipod touch the

0:30:49one that comes in colors with the tall

0:30:51screen and everything like that it

0:30:52starts at 299 and that's for course for

0:30:55the 32 gig on they still sell the old

0:30:56ipod touch 4 199 which the small screen

0:30:59and and stuff like that so the question

0:31:03you possibly sell this bigger thing

0:31:06you're selling an iPad a seven point

0:31:08eight five inch iPad and you're going to

0:31:09sell that for it in my optimistic case a

0:31:12hundred dollars less than the cheapest

0:31:15modern ipod touch you can get isn't this

0:31:19small ipad isn't that just an ipod touch

0:31:22with a much bigger screen and battery

0:31:24how do you take a device put a bigger

0:31:27screen and battery on it and then sell

0:31:29it for fifty or a hundred dollars less

0:31:31than something else so there's a couple

0:31:34of answers that first is we've all been

0:31:36talking debating whether the ipod ipad

0:31:38mini is going into the bottom line one

0:31:40is going to come with eight or sixteen

0:31:41but certainly no one thinks at the

0:31:43bottom of the line ipad mini is going to

0:31:44come with 32 right but the bottom line

0:31:46ipod touch does come with 32 so right

0:31:48away you got half the memory chopped off

0:31:50their right and the memory price doesn't

0:31:52increase like linearly it's not like

0:31:54when you go from eight to 16 it costs a

0:31:57certain amount and then when you double

0:31:58again from 16 to 32 across the same

0:32:00amount it you know you're adding 16

0:32:02verses adding eight so going from 16 to

0:32:0532 is a much bigger jump in terms of

0:32:06component costs especially since then

0:32:08you're starting to push up into the

0:32:09maximum size of the individual chips

0:32:11that can give you I forget how many

0:32:12chips these four 32 is a one-chip not be

0:32:14one chip at this point but one 32 gig

0:32:17chip is way more expensive than then 116

0:32:20and it's also more expense than 216 and

0:32:22you know there's space constraints

0:32:23inside the ipod touch and stuff like

0:32:24that the second thing is the screen on

0:32:27the ipod touch i assume will cost more

0:32:30than the screen and the ipad mini

0:32:32because the screen the ipod touch is

0:32:33retina first of all it's really really

0:32:35good quality second of all uh and you

0:32:38know it's it's it's basically the iphone

0:32:41screen and it's a new product like they

0:32:44no one has made this screen before in

0:32:45these particular dimensions the stock

0:32:47pitch with this quality with the

0:32:48integrated touch sensor this screen was

0:32:50created for the iphone 5 and also the

0:32:53ipod touch whereas the screen we're all

0:32:55assuming is going to be in the ipad mini

0:32:57uses the same display technology as at

0:33:01least the same you know pixel size as

0:33:03many many press I OS products doesn't

0:33:06necessarily mean that this screen wont

0:33:08also include an integrated touch sensor

0:33:10like it doesn't have to be the same

0:33:11exact screen as was in the 3gs or in one

0:33:14of these other non retina things just

0:33:15scaled up but I have to think that

0:33:17they're not going to say you know

0:33:19the ipad mini means the iphone 5 quality

0:33:22screen they said that about the current

0:33:24line of ipod touches they're not going

0:33:26to say about this so i think the screen

0:33:27even though it's bigger that component

0:33:29will actually cost less than the ipod

0:33:31touch screen or the iphone 5 screen the

0:33:34battery in the mini has to cost more

0:33:36just because it's bigger i'm assuming

0:33:37there is some premium for

0:33:39miniaturization getting a battery a

0:33:40small bag or whatever but you know i

0:33:42think just because it's going to be so

0:33:43much bigger battery has to cost more the

0:33:45motherboard the chipset the camera all

0:33:47those parts etc I assume they're going

0:33:49to be the same as they are and the ipod

0:33:51touch i guess they could cheap out by

0:33:53making the camera cheaper then they're

0:33:56not they're not above doing that they've

0:33:58done it with the the ipod and the ipad

0:34:00lines in the past right there got to be

0:34:02some kind of compromises but i think

0:34:05their main compromises that they're

0:34:06going to be willing to have much lower

0:34:08margins than the low end model and hope

0:34:10they sell people the higher end one but

0:34:13the main reason that this is not a

0:34:14problem for this thing to be fifty or a

0:34:16hundred dollars cheaper than the current

0:34:18you know best uh you know the colored

0:34:21ipod touches i hate the fact that it's

0:34:22keep saying that but they keep selling

0:34:23the old one the main reason is known as

0:34:26cross shopping these devices no one is

0:34:28going in and saying i don't know do what

0:34:30like if you want a tablet you're not

0:34:32shopping the ipod touch and if you want

0:34:33the ipod touch you are not shopping that

0:34:35tablet you're not going to go in looking

0:34:36for an ipod touch and say oh did you

0:34:38know for a hundred dollars cheaper you

0:34:39can get an ipad you like but i want a

0:34:41thing that I listen to music of mine I

0:34:43jog or I want a thing that fits in in my

0:34:45purse or in my pot like no one is cross

0:34:48shopping those devices like it I don't

0:34:50even think people will notice it as a

0:34:52difference in price and if they do like

0:34:54it won't make a difference it's not it's

0:34:56not as if this causes some sort of

0:34:57consumer confusion and outrage over

0:35:00pricing this outrageous how how can this

0:35:02ipod touch be so expensive when this

0:35:05bigger other thing that is totally not a

0:35:06replacement for this product you know so

0:35:09I I have no people asked me on Twitter

0:35:12and stuff like that how do you think how

0:35:14will this affect the pricing of the ipod

0:35:15touch how will people react where I

0:35:17think the two things have no relation to

0:35:19each other in the consumers minds and it

0:35:21just won't affect anything and no one

0:35:22will care and in in reality like when

0:35:26you buy the ipod touch the bottom line

0:35:28one is 299 if you buy that that's it

0:35:30you're all set like you don't have to go

0:35:32okay well really

0:35:33double the memory and really I should

0:35:35think about getting 3g and you know all

0:35:37this other stuff and I should buy a

0:35:38smart cover for it and I should do all

0:35:39like the ipod touch at 299 that's it

0:35:42you're all set that is a very excellent

0:35:44device which I'm probably going to get

0:35:46you don't need to buy anything for it

0:35:48you don't need to think about upgrading

0:35:49it where is when you go into the store

0:35:50looking for your 1990 249 ipad mini

0:35:53first you're gonna be like well maybe I

0:35:55should get 3 to negative like well I

0:35:57gotta go smart cover forward and what

0:35:59should I think about the 3g model the 3g

0:36:01is about a hundred bucks more hundred

0:36:02twenty-eight well that might be handed

0:36:03like you're not walking out of there

0:36:05like i think most people are going to

0:36:07walk out of the average selling price to

0:36:09use a sum a simcoe stuff here is going

0:36:13to be higher for the ipad mini despite

0:36:15the fact that starting price i think

0:36:16will be lower than for the ipod touch

0:36:18the name there's another thing that is

0:36:24really not that important it's not even

0:36:26less important than the price but it's

0:36:28one of those things we can't guess that

0:36:29because that's something that Apple

0:36:30totally can't keep under wraps and they

0:36:32do I know you like ipad junior I'm

0:36:34hopeful it's not gonna happen but I know

0:36:37it's not gonna happen but it won't stop

0:36:39me enjoy it for enjoy while you have it

0:36:42do you think the mini if you had to pick

0:36:44one would you say right now it looks

0:36:46like mini is going to be the one that

0:36:49people pick I'm more comfortable

0:36:51eliminating names and so I'm eliminating

0:36:55junior I'm i think i'm gonna eliminate

0:36:58air I Gruber just posted that he thinks

0:37:00its air I I believe in his philosophy

0:37:02like we all agree that like he's more

0:37:05about this thing being thin and light

0:37:06and I'm sure they will emphasize that I

0:37:08still think it's all about price point

0:37:09but that's not that's not really what

0:37:10you make your ad campaign on ipad the

0:37:12new iPad Mini now super cheap like you

0:37:14have to say something about and they're

0:37:15gonna say look it's light you can hold

0:37:16the one hand and read your book and it's

0:37:18great for your kids cuz or whatever uh

0:37:20but I don't think they'll use the air

0:37:22name well here's what here's what he

0:37:24says that his guesses in order number

0:37:26one ipad air number two i pad number

0:37:29three ipad mini yeah i'll get back to

0:37:34air uh ipad with nothing that seems like

0:37:39a bridge too far to me but you know like

0:37:43we guess that just taking it out of the

0:37:44ipad is fine because

0:37:46huh I don't know it could happen right

0:37:49ipad nano was his third one uh no he

0:37:52says the first one is ipad air second

0:37:54his ipad 3rd his ipad mini yeah many

0:37:57even though i keep calling it that it

0:37:59just seems natural for me to call it

0:38:01that I have trouble believing the apple

0:38:02with naman that so here i have just

0:38:04eliminated i think every possible name

0:38:06we could think of I don't think is going

0:38:08to be the name uh if I had to circle

0:38:10back the air I have to think that like

0:38:12my feelings about air have a lot to do

0:38:15with me not liking the name and not so

0:38:17much Apple not doing it and if I think

0:38:18about how they're planning on marketing

0:38:20it obviously like they can't market it

0:38:22as a price point thing because that's

0:38:23not good marketing they have to think of

0:38:25some quality of it that sets it apart

0:38:27and if they go with the lightweight

0:38:30thinness and just how you know then air

0:38:33is their name for that but that does

0:38:35seem confusing to me i don't like that

0:38:37the suffix is crossing over from the the

0:38:39world of the symphony has the same

0:38:40problem crossing over from the world of

0:38:42the mackie got the mac mini right nano

0:38:44is the obvious choice that wasn't on

0:38:46that list it's like it's from the ipod

0:38:49around my ipod nano right ipad nano no

0:38:54name i could think of rings out to me as

0:38:56like that's the name they've got a pic i

0:38:57think every name we listed except for

0:39:00junior can work just plain ol ipad mmm a

0:39:04good awake at work i mean people figure

0:39:06it out right because like again getting

0:39:08back to imac i'm at comes in two

0:39:10different sizes and it's not called the

0:39:12imac mini it's just called the imac and

0:39:14you can get it in different sizes so why

0:39:16not just have it called the ipad right

0:39:17is there a hang on it is there a chance

0:39:19that they one of the things that we've

0:39:21heard discussed and it makes perfect

0:39:24sense is that the new ipad whatever it's

0:39:27called is going to have a lightning

0:39:30connector do you think it's possible

0:39:31that they will also announce the larger

0:39:35size ipad without any changes except now

0:39:38it comes with lightning connector

0:39:39instead we should create I should admit

0:39:42that i have not that we have not have

0:39:44productively discussed the name we

0:39:46should move on to what you're asking

0:39:47about which is all right we assume

0:39:49there's going to be as little ipad mini

0:39:50we've all this does connect this does

0:39:52connect to the name and i'll tell you

0:39:53why i'm asking it is this would be an

0:39:55opportunity for them to sort of reen

0:39:57name the ipad the larger iPad probably

0:40:02not the ipad senior although I would

0:40:04very much enjoy that as well the ipad

0:40:06junior and senior we can hope but this

0:40:10this could be an opportunity for them to

0:40:11say hey you know what we love the

0:40:14Lightning connector and so do all of our

0:40:16so to all of our customers so we're

0:40:19switching to the Lightning connector so

0:40:20here is the new iPad and let me show you

0:40:23the two new models or sizes of the ipad

0:40:26we have the 7 inch ipad and we have the

0:40:3010 inch ipad both of them now with a

0:40:32lightning connector here you go and look

0:40:35under your seat everybody gets one do

0:40:38you think they're ready to replace the

0:40:39ipad 3 only with the only change be i'm

0:40:43just saying this the only change being

0:40:45again what if i don't know i'm not

0:40:48saying yes to this i'm just saying what

0:40:49if they did it then this this could be a

0:40:52way that they just say let me introduce

0:40:54is the the ipad and there are two sizes

0:40:57for the ipad and which size ipad do you

0:41:00want do you want the ipad 7 or the ipad

0:41:0310 or what it you know whatever but this

0:41:05the I I just don't know i think you know

0:41:09again and you're you just making a

0:41:11comparison to the imac III think that

0:41:15you know when you get an imac your which

0:41:17imac are you getting well what size

0:41:18screen and that's the way that they

0:41:20referred to them well the wooden that

0:41:22makes sense to kind of unify the brand

0:41:23of the ipad as well and say what size

0:41:26screen you don't get a macbook pro light

0:41:29and that's the 13-inch you just get it's

0:41:31a macbook pro 13 or is it a 15 or 17

0:41:34they don't do they make the Seventeen's

0:41:35who knows how long ago to the three come

0:41:37out the ipad 3 i will find that out yeah

0:41:41so it would be so much cleaner for them

0:41:44just read the whole line yeah right

0:41:46because you know they're like they kind

0:41:48of did with the phone it's kind of easy

0:41:49with the fungus is only one right so now

0:41:51all I phones come with lightning

0:41:53connectors much like large 16 2012 yeah

0:41:56that's the release date for the

0:41:58third-generation iPad which is just

0:42:00called the new iPad if if the here's

0:42:03what I think I think obviously lightning

0:42:05connectors are coming to every single

0:42:06product that has that you know it's just

0:42:07a matter of time right so if they you

0:42:10know option one is

0:42:11just bringing out the ipad mini whatever

0:42:13they call it hey that's lightning tigra

0:42:14obviously nothing else does and they get

0:42:17revved on a different timeline and then

0:42:19eventually everyone has lightning

0:42:20connectors less option one option two i

0:42:22think is rev the whole line I and either

0:42:26drop the two which I and replace it with

0:42:28the mini which i think is very likely uh

0:42:31and then bring out a new three with

0:42:33lightning connector but how else you

0:42:34also have to have other changes is not

0:42:36just that it has lightning connector

0:42:37some other changes even if it's just

0:42:38like you know a die shrink a 5x or

0:42:42something like it has to be different

0:42:43beyond just the connector just has to be

0:42:45yeah you know they want to make it

0:42:47thinner if they can or make it lighter

0:42:49maybe that's not possible maybe when

0:42:50they do the die shrink in the 5x they

0:42:52get away with I'm a smaller battery then

0:42:54it's back to being thinner like I do not

0:42:56think your option of like having just

0:43:00the lighting connect range I don't think

0:43:01it's going to happen I see no worries to

0:43:03me which is that shoot too much work for

0:43:04not enough change yeah I like but I

0:43:07agree that it is really weird like can

0:43:09you imagine buying something in in in

0:43:11February of 2013 and like you go into

0:43:14the apple store and you see all these

0:43:16devices with the Lightning connector

0:43:17like all the new ipods and all not the

0:43:19classics i guess but no the ipod nano

0:43:22ipod touch and the the iphone 5 have

0:43:24these beautiful little lightning

0:43:25connectors which are really neat i

0:43:26flayed with them now and then it's like

0:43:29an hour top of the line ipad as this big

0:43:31gaping maw on the bottom of it that you

0:43:33jam this horrible looking printer

0:43:35parallel port type thing into and like

0:43:39and that's our top-of-the-line ipad like

0:43:40how long can you sustain that you know

0:43:42it you know all it's got so much a much

0:43:44nicer screen and it's fast with all this

0:43:46is true but like if right so i really

0:43:50hope they read the three die shrink

0:43:54smaller battery lightning connector

0:43:56alongside the mini but i think they're

0:44:00just going to introduce the mini and let

0:44:03those two one sail off into the holiday

0:44:05season as is and replace them in march i

0:44:07didn't think that makes the most sense

0:44:08what if they call it the ipad 7.85

0:44:11snappy snappy name very catchy yeah as

0:44:15for anything else retina macbook pro

0:44:1813-inch and now you had that bee in your

0:44:20bonnet about that last time at the

0:44:23iphone 5 event didn't materialize

0:44:25you know it's just it could happen you

0:44:28know there's nothing preventing it last

0:44:30time you know they have the technology

0:44:31to do that it's just a question of like

0:44:33their priorities and whether they think

0:44:34it's worth bringing out and you know all

0:44:37the other stuff I still wonder how much

0:44:40they're going to want to confuse the

0:44:41focus of the show because if you saw the

0:44:43little invitation advertisement it looks

0:44:45just like the advertisement or the

0:44:46original ipad launch with the paint

0:44:47splatters seems pretty clear I was like

0:44:50we have a little more to show you or

0:44:51something some pun on the thing being

0:44:53small right so the phone one of these

0:44:54iPad little ya know I don't like if that

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0:47:00it out no people asking the chat room if

0:47:04I had seen the ipod touch and everything

0:47:05yes I've been to the apple store I've

0:47:07seen that many iphone 5 is both in and

0:47:09out of the store my wife has an ipod

0:47:12nano now because she run to replace our

0:47:14old now despite the fact that i don't

0:47:15like that device think it's gross it's

0:47:18actually a little bit less gross in

0:47:19person because it's so darn small a lot

0:47:21of the things that like they're zoomed

0:47:23in on certain design features on the

0:47:24apple website but the actual thing is so

0:47:26small that like oh well that's kind of

0:47:28fades into the background now that the

0:47:30entire thing is small and I'm not

0:47:31staring right at a horrible volume

0:47:33rocker but yeah I don't particularly

0:47:35like the design but it's much better

0:47:37than her extremely buggy old man oh i

0:47:39found that but then i was like it start

0:47:40to get flaky after a while I don't know

0:47:42what it is about them shuffles to I

0:47:44guess I don't know they just wear nanos

0:47:46the nanos are the worst for that they

0:47:47just stopped working it's very weird

0:47:50strange software glitches yes on won't

0:47:52play at the hard reset the thing yeah

0:47:54there you know like it doesn't read the

0:47:56screen doesn't rotate yeah those

0:47:59interesting to see the reviews of that

0:48:00who's at the gay burger I was it was

0:48:02Paul Thurrott I don't know how to

0:48:03pronounce his last name like good Oh

0:48:05Edwin supersite or something a Windows

0:48:07site he loved the new ipad ipod nano

0:48:09thinks it's awesome and then you know

0:48:11the mac nerd sites are like me pain like

0:48:14it's expensive maybe this maybe this one

0:48:17was actually intended for windows users

0:48:19yeah i don't know if i don't but anyway

0:48:21she has a little lightning connector

0:48:22thing and so for the ipod touch and the

0:48:25iphone 5 now that i've spent more time

0:48:27with both of them here's my design

0:48:29complaint about both of them about this

0:48:31new design access more of an aesthetic

0:48:34complaint so the the iphone 4 design

0:48:37with the two sort of Oreo cookie pieces

0:48:39of black glass or white glass

0:48:41sandwiching the that steel antenna band

0:48:46that look and also that feel was

0:48:50expensive to me like it felt it looked

0:48:52in

0:48:52felt expensive because the glass was

0:48:54nicely curved around the edges and that

0:48:56the metal was just kind of uniformly

0:48:58colored and you know it just it seemed

0:49:00like something that was expensive right

0:49:02and the iphone 5 people talked about

0:49:04like if you zoom in on it but like a

0:49:06microscope is amazing that these these

0:49:07tiny little details in the amazing

0:49:09precision like that the gaps between the

0:49:11little pieces and a little chamfer

0:49:13around the edges and everything I agree

0:49:15all that is amazing and it's very solid

0:49:18because it's a solid back piece and

0:49:19everything but the fatal flaw

0:49:21aesthetically speaking and feel wise in

0:49:24both this and the the ipod touch with

0:49:26just as a metal back is the seam that

0:49:28goes all the way around the top front of

0:49:31the device right so in both cases you

0:49:33have kind of like a a one-piece back

0:49:36that you know includes both the sides

0:49:38and the back and the iphone has the

0:49:40glass readings on top and bottom but

0:49:42basically for the most of the length of

0:49:43the thing a one-piece back that comes up

0:49:45and then you have a front plate that's

0:49:46put on it and that seam between the

0:49:48front plate and the rest of the device

0:49:51it's microscopically small like there's

0:49:54no gaps in it it's not doesn't it

0:49:56doesn't look cheap or anything like that

0:49:57but it makes like they're as particular

0:50:00on the iphone 5 and even on the touch a

0:50:02little bit like the edges of those two

0:50:04things that meet those are sharp edges

0:50:06they're not rounded and this tiny little

0:50:08sharp it like you'd have to look at

0:50:09under like a you know a credible macro

0:50:11photography to see the tiny right angle

0:50:13ledge that exists between the back and

0:50:15the front but the result for me is when

0:50:17I put it in my hand I find myself

0:50:19fingering that seem title in it and it

0:50:23bothers me like it feels cheaper to me

0:50:26then the you know much chunkier join

0:50:30edge between the pieces of glass front

0:50:32and back on the other thing and also

0:50:34like the lack of symmetry because the

0:50:35iphone 4 was always you know so

0:50:37symmetrical the front glass the back

0:50:38glass same thickness thing in the middle

0:50:39obviously that was a much chunkier phone

0:50:41but that kind of like a glass and metal

0:50:43Oreo cookie of the iphone 4 design that

0:50:47really did feel expense it's me and even

0:50:48those when it's thinner and lighter and

0:50:50you know better in all those ways that

0:50:52one that once seemed and it goes all

0:50:54around the front edge like i don't know

0:50:55what else they could have done because

0:50:56it's two pieces right they got away with

0:50:58it with the iphone 4 because there was

0:51:00three pieces it was the front piece and

0:51:01it was all rounded big chunky smooth

0:51:03glass and then

0:51:04was the metal and then the thing on the

0:51:05back and this like they've made that

0:51:08same as small as they can possibly make

0:51:09it it really is like you can't even

0:51:10imagine a fingernail in there right but

0:51:13it's just not pleasing to the finger to

0:51:15run over that transition and in the

0:51:18device i don't have you found this yes

0:51:20very much like I don't know if I'm being

0:51:23crazy and no no you always identified

0:51:25these tiny little things that once you

0:51:28talk about them though all of our

0:51:29listeners will start to be irritated by

0:51:31him yeah like I bet I have to think that

0:51:34if you were to talk you know Johnny I've

0:51:36or the people who designed this over

0:51:38ever the this that like they would

0:51:40acknowledge this trade-off in this

0:51:42design like yeah the other design hat

0:51:43was better in this particular regard in

0:51:45terms of the feel of how it feels and

0:51:46how it feels more expensive in that

0:51:48regarding the iPhone 5 is you know so

0:51:50beautiful and finely detailed and

0:51:52precise and then you've made that part

0:51:53so incredibly precise but like what else

0:51:55are they gonna do here like to get the

0:51:58old feel for make it a one piece phone

0:52:00like maybe this maybe that's the future

0:52:01the thing is one piece and they slide

0:52:03all the guts into it's sort of like how

0:52:04they jam them into the terrible Apple TV

0:52:06remote you know the shove all the gut

0:52:08since you're the one little opening all

0:52:10right maybe they make an iphone there

0:52:11really is one piece because then you can

0:52:13do all sorts of things like that's the

0:52:14thing about the ipod the new ipod touch

0:52:16it has the rounded back and the trim

0:52:17around a metal back and that feels a

0:52:20little better in your hands as well like

0:52:21the curves feel a little bit more

0:52:23pleasing that's why a lot of people like

0:52:24the original iphone because it was

0:52:25curved and some degree 2 3gs cuz it was

0:52:27curved but i'm not totally saying you

0:52:29have to be curved like that's why i'm

0:52:30saying the iphone 4 design was

0:52:31successful in feeling solid and

0:52:33expensive even though it wasn't curved

0:52:34even though was kind of awkward in

0:52:36squarish or whatever just that the

0:52:38transitions felt more expensive and the

0:52:41ipod touch like the whole thing is a

0:52:42little bit cheaper because it's just got

0:52:43the one piece metal back and you can

0:52:45tell it's not as beautifully finely

0:52:46crafted as the iphone 5 but it's got the

0:52:48same scene issue so for me this won't

0:52:50make a difference because when i get my

0:52:51ipod touch and I do plan to get one but

0:52:53I don't have it yet I'm gonna put a big

0:52:54silicone case on it that's gonna cover

0:52:56up that gap and it's not going to be you

0:52:57know I'm not saying this is a reason to

0:52:59not get an iphone 5 or ipod touch and

0:53:01just you know that's my assessment of

0:53:03the design having handle the thing for a

0:53:05significant period of time from you know

0:53:07friends and families the iphone 5s and

0:53:09the ipod touches in store multiple times

0:53:10all that and i visited the tesla store

0:53:13in our mall too it's very weird

0:53:14something only

0:53:17Janus cars yeah in a store they know

0:53:20they have bad them the Model S there

0:53:21they had bidden have the other one there

0:53:23was at the Roadster and they had the

0:53:25cool disassembled chassis things showing

0:53:27like the battery on the floor

0:53:28resurrection everything I brought my son

0:53:31in there thanking he wouldn't it be cool

0:53:32to see like a car disassembled like this

0:53:33he was not interested why do you think

0:53:35that was I don't know they requires some

0:53:39you know maybe the intellectual

0:53:40background of like electric cars versus

0:53:42internal combustion and what will

0:53:43colossally be cool about a car being

0:53:45curious about any of these things is

0:53:47like yeah I maybe had just been in the

0:53:49mall too long at that point that's

0:53:50another possibility so it's a family

0:53:53picture day we've been there for a while

0:53:54that point you do that Sears now I'm not

0:53:57serious is a place in the mall they

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0:54:00simple why are they not sponsor it's

0:54:03weird huh yeah but anyway that's one of

0:54:05those places whether it's just it's not

0:54:07like serious it's just a photographer

0:54:09with the handheld camera and a series of

0:54:10you know back route back drops and props

0:54:13and lighting rigs and all sorts of stuff

0:54:15like that we mostly go because we like

0:54:18the individual photographer who takes

0:54:20our pictures and we always get her to do

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0:56:30however okay all right this is related

0:56:36the next one is related to the October

0:56:3923rd apple announcement and is also an

0:56:41announcement that happened this week

0:56:42pre-empting other things in my notes

0:56:44here I think that this week anyway it's

0:56:46the announcement of the Microsoft

0:56:48Surface pricing and availability yes sir

0:56:50I think it's just for the RT version

0:56:54right the one of the arm one uh the

0:56:56pricing hang on let me uh let me I'm

0:56:58pretty we did we did a show on this that

0:57:00put in the show notes the title of it

0:57:02was 22 degrees and it was episode 73 of

0:57:06hypercritical where talked all about the

0:57:08surface yes I do do not see pricing for

0:57:10the pro but the surface surface with

0:57:13Windows RT and will be available in

0:57:15three models 32 gigs for 499 32 gig with

0:57:19the bundled with the touch cover which

0:57:21has the keyboard ended for 599 and a 64

0:57:24gig version also with the touch cover

0:57:25for 699 coming pre-installed with office

0:57:302013 home and student beta there you go

0:57:35yes and huh if you go back and listen to

0:57:39I forgotten already so episode 73 yes

0:57:43above 70 322 degrees to hear about

0:57:45the hardware specs we spent a long time

0:57:47talking about these devices one of the

0:57:49things talked about was how the very

0:57:52clever keyboard integrated cover comes

0:57:54in two varieties because apparently

0:57:56Microsoft could not decide which one of

0:57:57these was best when they call the touch

0:57:59cover that has it's very thin as keys on

0:58:02it and they did they sense like the

0:58:05force of you tapping them but they're

0:58:07not like mechanical keys that go up and

0:58:09down like separate little entities and

0:58:11the other one is called the type cover

0:58:13which actually is also thin but not

0:58:16quite as thin actually has keys that

0:58:18move up and down so the touch cover

0:58:19separately is 119 99 and the type cover

0:58:24is 129 99 alright so and I also beals

0:58:28talked about in that show you know why

0:58:29aren't they giving us price and

0:58:30availability like they said that the

0:58:32windows they said that the ARM version

0:58:33when does our tea thing will be coming

0:58:35out you know sometimes for the end it's

0:58:37here and I think they said the the intel

0:58:39based one that acts more as a

0:58:40traditional PC is coming out sometime

0:58:42like months later or whatever alright so

0:58:45this Windows RT thing is code for this

0:58:47is not going to run all the windows app

0:58:48viewers already have because it doesn't

0:58:49have an emulation as an arm CPU in there

0:58:52microsoft has recompiled obviously

0:58:53windows for armed and they've got a

0:58:56version of office that runs an arm of

0:58:58this thing as well but it is not your PC

0:59:01replacement type thing unless you just

0:59:03want to do office stuff an email

0:59:05whatever you can get away with it's more

0:59:06it's more this is clearly the competitor

0:59:08with like the iPad so even though on the

0:59:11show when we talk about this we're like

0:59:12are they competing with this it seems

0:59:14like they're competing with the macbook

0:59:15air which they're like look you get the

0:59:16best of both worlds you get a tablet

0:59:18when you want it but you get a really

0:59:20lightweight small laptop because if you

0:59:22can especially for the Intel one you can

0:59:25run all your regular windows software it

0:59:27runs windows 8 it's not a separate

0:59:28operating system like iOS is runs the

0:59:30same Windows 8 that your desktop things

0:59:31would run and it's got that you know the

0:59:34Metro environment and the desktop

0:59:35environment and this weird split and you

0:59:37know that the software is still a bit of

0:59:39muddle but hardware wise it's like we

0:59:40can't price this at seven ninety-nine

0:59:42and so will competes with the macbook

0:59:43air because it doesn't really because

0:59:46this is not it is an ARM processor it's

0:59:48not going to run all your your existing

0:59:49windows software your kind of starting

0:59:51from scratch with this thing I'm giving

0:59:53you a boost with the office stuff or

0:59:55whatever so the pricing on this is not

0:59:59that surprised

0:59:59that surprised

1:00:00thing and it's hard to even know what to

1:00:02compare this to because like what would

1:00:04you say is the most comparable other

1:00:07thing that people would be cross

1:00:09shopping for like the 499 32 gigabyte

1:00:13surface when what is that crush opted

1:00:16against yeah you know you would think

1:00:18maybe a laptop like a true laptop it may

1:00:25be like yeah because like Windows

1:00:26laptops like they they're cheap

1:00:28piece-of-crap Windows laptops you can

1:00:29get in for 49 and then it's familiar you

1:00:32know what to expect it's got a cd-rom

1:00:34drive it's got your VGA port it's got

1:00:36all of the things that as a Windows user

1:00:38you would expect and they're just gonna

1:00:40have massively more storage oh yeah and

1:00:43like you can run all your software on it

1:00:46so I I mean I I don't think this is

1:00:48actually going to be like price-wise it

1:00:50seems to be in that ballpark but anyone

1:00:52who is looking at this and then

1:00:54reconsiders and looks at like you know a

1:00:56crappy windows laptop they're not

1:00:57they've changed products at that point

1:00:59because this is not going to run any of

1:01:01your windows games any of your existing

1:01:02windows software i might not even have

1:01:04mine sweeper in solitaire I don't even

1:01:05know yeah but that was like trying to

1:01:07get that if we could returned the store

1:01:08immediately right and that's the reason

1:01:10most people buy like a pc is for

1:01:13minesweeper yeah can you get the

1:01:15internet on that yeah you can so like

1:01:16looking at this against iPads like it's

1:01:19not first obviously it's not competing

1:01:21as the nexus 7 it's not competing as the

1:01:22kindle fire like this is a different

1:01:23category of device it's way faster it's

1:01:25it's bigger it's you know all those

1:01:28stuff it if you look at ipads what is

1:01:32the equivalent ipad a 32 gig Wi-Fi only

1:01:36because these don't have 4g right so can

1:01:40you what if you try to get a 32 gig ipad

1:01:42talking about the ipad 3 like the modern

1:01:45good one yeah that's that's 599 so your

1:01:49hundred dollars more for the ipad right

1:01:51so maybe we say okay well that's not

1:01:52what you're really competing it's

1:01:53because you know what this surface thing

1:01:54has a 1366 x 768 screen as a hundred and

1:02:01forty-seven DPI it is not the 2048 x

1:02:041536 264 DPI and ipad 3 screen so this

1:02:07is kind of a different class of device

1:02:09like you're not it it's in between is

1:02:12like is it retinas and not read

1:02:13it's not really retina but it's also way

1:02:15higher DPI then then like a laptop

1:02:17screen would be right so but still you

1:02:20can say okay that's not the same really

1:02:21device so it's not fair let's try the

1:02:22ipad 2 can you you can't even get a 32

1:02:25gig ipad 2 you can only get it in 16 16

1:02:28Wi-Fi only in 16 3 so 16 Wi-Fi only is

1:02:31399 so that's one hundred dollars

1:02:33cheaper so they've kind of split the

1:02:35difference like their bottom of the line

1:02:37cheapest surface thing you can get the

1:02:40smallest it comes with 32 gigs and it's

1:02:43499 and it's a hundred dollars less then

1:02:46the cheapest ipad 3 you well actually

1:02:48yeah if you're willing to give up

1:02:50storage is exactly the same price is the

1:02:5116 gig ipad 3 which is 499 right but if

1:02:56you want to exactly match the specs the

1:02:57closest you can get is you fall between

1:02:59the ipad 2 in the ipad 3 and i assume

1:03:01the ipad 2 is not long for this world

1:03:02like it's probably as the mini comes

1:03:04along i expect that ipad 2 to fade away

1:03:06and be replaced and then i don't think

1:03:08people would be cross shopping the ipad

1:03:09mini with this thing because this is

1:03:10just going to be ten point six inches

1:03:12which is even bigger than the ipads 9.7

1:03:14interest mostly because it's 16 by nine

1:03:15instead of four by three so the aspect

1:03:18ratio is different but i think that's a

1:03:19good selling point for customers because

1:03:21if you look at an HT movie on a 16 by 9

1:03:24screen it's the pictures is going to be

1:03:25bigger than it will be looking at the

1:03:27same thing on a four by three screen and

1:03:29this is one of those things about like

1:03:31old people watching standard def content

1:03:33under HGTV's but you've all seen people

1:03:35who are watching a high-definition movie

1:03:38on their iPad on the plane and they have

1:03:40zoomed in to fill the whole screen like

1:03:41they're making their own pain and

1:03:43scandal and there's no panning and no

1:03:44scanning they're just chopped they're

1:03:45just chopping off the edge why well

1:03:47because it's bigger and my kids do it

1:03:48too they watch their little things on

1:03:50Netflix and like that like why isn't it

1:03:52filling the screen like but it would

1:03:53chop off the sides I just wanted to fill

1:03:54the screen you know what can you do but

1:03:57so 16 by 9 is better for that so I think

1:04:00this is not going to be shopped against

1:04:02the mini it's going to be shopped

1:04:03against the big ones now the interesting

1:04:05thing is when you start getting into

1:04:06these other models here like that 32 gig

1:04:11surface for 499 it doesn't come with the

1:04:14with the keyboard cover and the first

1:04:15surface ad they have is just totally

1:04:17emphasizing look at those cool magnetic

1:04:18cover and it's got a keyboard built-in

1:04:19you can use this thing like a laptop and

1:04:21like that's the whole selling point so

1:04:22this 499 model is like only suckers

1:04:25gonna buy that

1:04:26it doesn't even have the keyboard part

1:04:27it's like they're selling you half the

1:04:28product it seems almost criminal to sell

1:04:30it without it because that's its big

1:04:31unique proposition yeah I guess yeah

1:04:34that it runs windows but like no one

1:04:35wants to use that office for Windows RT

1:04:37with their finger right I know you use a

1:04:39stylus with a null it's just you know

1:04:42that the keyboard cover also has a

1:04:44little track pad built in by the way and

1:04:45I you can also be like so that's the

1:04:47whole point so what happens when you get

1:04:49the cheapest one with the cover 599 for

1:04:5232 gig with with a touch cover and we

1:04:54don't know if these subgroup covers are

1:04:55any good maybe the touch cover is

1:04:56execrable no one should ever buy it or

1:04:58maybe that's actually better than type

1:05:00cover we don't know because I haven't

1:05:01spent time with these things right for

1:05:03599 32 gig with a touch cover what's the

1:05:08equivalent of that well well geez if you

1:05:10want to do something similar with an

1:05:11iPad you're already at 599 for 32 gig

1:05:15ipad 3 but then you gotta buy the apple

1:05:19bluetooth keyboard or something similar

1:05:20like 50 or 60 bucks and by the way I

1:05:22cover because they're two separate

1:05:23things you want the protection so this

1:05:26guy's out there with like what I assume

1:05:27most people will buy for the surfacers

1:05:29be the 598 model with the touch cover

1:05:31you've got a tablet with a keyboard and

1:05:33a cover in one little package Ryan carry

1:05:36around to do the same thing with an iPad

1:05:38you've got to get the ipad the cost the

1:05:40same amount and then spend 50 bucks for

1:05:41the smart cover and you know 70 bucks

1:05:44for the apple bluetooth keyboard you

1:05:45have this unwieldy thing that you have

1:05:46here and the total price for that is 717

1:05:49dollars you're starting getting into

1:05:50like this is what people really pay for

1:05:52ipads like in the real world i think

1:05:54very few people just go out of there i

1:05:55just want the cheapest ipad and they get

1:05:57it they walk out of the store know they

1:05:58go by the aisle with the touch cover and

1:06:00if anyone is interested in the surface

1:06:01it means they want to type something

1:06:03it's letting you gotta buy a keyboard

1:06:03and then you got to find a way to carry

1:06:05the thing with the cover and the

1:06:06keyboard alright 699 for the 64 gig

1:06:09black touch cover a service thing 64 gig

1:06:15ipad again with Wi-Fi only 699 + the

1:06:19cover plus the keyboard 817 so it seems

1:06:22like the surface for the most part is

1:06:23undercutting the ipad 3 if you want to

1:06:26do the same things with it which i think

1:06:28is a smart move on their point and I

1:06:30like these price points that they put in

1:06:31here with the exception of the 32 gig no

1:06:33cover thing I think this is a probably

1:06:35the best Microsoft can do and be

1:06:38realistically speaking in terms

1:06:40what you're actually going to pay you

1:06:41will end up paying less money for the

1:06:43same capabilities on this thing

1:06:44unfortunately perception-wise because

1:06:47the numbers line up so much I don't know

1:06:51people are going to realize that like

1:06:52how much how much do I should think of

1:06:53Star Trek everyone I know how much did

1:06:55you actually pay for the thing that you

1:06:57consider your iPad I mean but nobody

1:06:58that we know came out of that store for

1:07:00anything with a five in front of it we

1:07:02all spent like 600-700 dollars cuz like

1:07:04well i'll get the 4g it's a hundred

1:07:05thirty dollars more and you're gonna

1:07:06everyone bought that stupid smart cover

1:07:08for the outrageous price because it's

1:07:09just so darn handing and cool even if

1:07:11you hate it now you probably bought the

1:07:13first one because you didn't know that

1:07:14you didn't like it uh people walk out of

1:07:16the store paying a lot it's like a car

1:07:18dealership you don't get like the base

1:07:20model with nothing in it you get the

1:07:21options you get the floor mat see

1:07:22sometimes do you get the undercoating it

1:07:24just happens that's what happens in

1:07:26Apple stores you can go in there and has

1:07:28come out with nothing you just end up

1:07:30with accessory Singh you feel good about

1:07:32it when you do it you're like you're

1:07:33happy you're walking out that door with

1:07:35all your stuff and your accessories you

1:07:36shop on an etsy for cool a steam like

1:07:39totoro made out of leather and crafted

1:07:41by hipsters somewhere like that's what

1:07:44happens with the iOS experience like it

1:07:46so I really think people if you just

1:07:48looked at the numbers like on their

1:07:50budget at the end of it you say boy you

1:07:51you spend a lot less money than I got

1:07:53with the ipad for a device that is

1:07:55actually less unwieldy and uh and has

1:07:59better capabilities and thanks of the

1:08:02ipad 2 is barely in this picture and

1:08:05even that's not competitive like if you

1:08:07want to get a 16 gig ipad 2 with a cover

1:08:11and a keyboard at six hundred and forty

1:08:12seven dollars and that's fifty dollars

1:08:15more expensive than the 32 gig surface

1:08:17of the touch cover so this is just

1:08:20hardware specs just prices obviously

1:08:22there's so much more to this and that

1:08:23like you're getting to buy into the

1:08:25whole iOS ecosystem who knows if using

1:08:29windows 8 on a tablet will be acceptable

1:08:31pleasurable you know understandable to

1:08:33anyone at all there are so many unknowns

1:08:34that i'm not talking by there but just

1:08:36in terms of what kind of hardware do you

1:08:38get for your money the service i still

1:08:40believe has a very interesting hardware

1:08:42proposition and it's like I can be a

1:08:45little laptop I can be a tablet I can be

1:08:47both I'm a tall one compact unit that is

1:08:49assuming those touch covers are worth a

1:08:52damn so many those things that you

1:08:53I bond are in any way better than an

1:08:56on-screen keyboard they've got an

1:08:58interesting proposition I think their

1:08:59pricing is reasonable but they have a

1:09:01big uphill battle to bring their

1:09:03currently non-existent arm Windows

1:09:05application ecosystem to come anywhere

1:09:07close to competing with the massive iOS

1:09:09ecosystem but I did spend a lot of time

1:09:12staring at these numbers and it would

1:09:13feel like they they have done the best

1:09:16that they possibly could I'm not I'm not

1:09:17Microsoft is nothing to be ashamed of

1:09:20with the pricing of these devices they

1:09:22may have something to be ashamed of with

1:09:23the actual reality and functionality

1:09:25these devices but I don't know

1:09:27everything dad to that are you gonna eat

1:09:30yet yourself a surface I you know I'm

1:09:34probably not ever going to get one I do

1:09:39like the clicky sound and everyone needs

1:09:42the clicky sound but no you got the the

1:09:46nexus 7 right I do have a nexus 7 mainly

1:09:49because i was there were two reasons

1:09:50that I got that one is I wanted to see

1:09:52what the modern current android

1:09:54experience you know the straight Android

1:09:56experience from google i was a very very

1:09:58curious to see what they've been doing

1:09:59with that because my all of my

1:10:00experiences with using android came from

1:10:03you know whatever bastardized version of

1:10:06android whatever carrier did to it and

1:10:09usually that was like verizon so i

1:10:11really wanted to see that in the second

1:10:12is i wanted to get a preview of what it

1:10:14was going to be like to to use the ipad

1:10:17air or mini or jr. or whatever it's

1:10:21going to be called because that form

1:10:23factor is very appealing to me I prefer

1:10:24that form factor to the larger form

1:10:27factor of the 10 so that that was why

1:10:30and it's it's a fine device it's you

1:10:33know it's surprisingly good and get

1:10:36surprisingly close to the kind of fit

1:10:38and finish that you would want from

1:10:39apple and I do not really use it and

1:10:43it's tiding you over now basically till

1:10:45you get your ipad yeah but I don't use

1:10:46it much because it's because it's

1:10:48Android but now it's good for you know

1:10:50if it if there were better email clients

1:10:53and please don't email me with the list

1:10:55of better email clients on Android I've

1:10:58tried like pretty much all of them if it

1:11:01had better email the browsing experience

1:11:02is just fine you know the the music

1:11:05experience is just fine

1:11:07but you know I live in a kind of

1:11:11different ecosystem but I tried you know

1:11:13I just don't use a lot i still use it

1:11:14and i love that form factor i mean

1:11:18that's that's the winner for me yeah i

1:11:22wasn't that interested and even just

1:11:24like finding someone who had a nexus 7

1:11:26to try it out or anything like that but

1:11:27i have to admit i'm very interested to

1:11:29see the surface almost to the point

1:11:30where i was considering like asking

1:11:32microsoft PR if they would send me one

1:11:34and I would you know review it on the

1:11:35podcast something because I'm very

1:11:36curious about this Hardware a lot of the

1:11:39stuff about it is unprecedented are very

1:11:40interesting like it's from Microsoft

1:11:42presses we're construction techniques

1:11:43the integrated keyboard the weirdo s

1:11:46like it's a lot of intriguing stuff I

1:11:47would love to get my hands on one of

1:11:49these things then you know play with it

1:11:50I have to say that going into it as

1:11:53intrigued as I am my assumption would be

1:11:56that my review of it would not be good

1:11:57but you know I'm curious like I'm very

1:12:01interested like I don't my preconceived

1:12:03notion is that it's overly ambitious and

1:12:07they weren't able to get it done in the

1:12:08first try but I do admire the ambition I

1:12:11think design is very interesting and if

1:12:14it wasn't for all their other handicaps

1:12:15I think they would be like the most

1:12:17worthy competitor to apple in the tablet

1:12:20space by far but they just have so many

1:12:22handicaps they're so far behind that it

1:12:23you know it's kind of like the Lumia

1:12:25phones which most people agree are the

1:12:28best most interesting competitor to

1:12:31apples phones but they're just there's

1:12:34tanking in the market like for a variety

1:12:36of other reasons and it's like oh it's a

1:12:37shame like you know they're much more

1:12:39interesting and innovative and seem like

1:12:41they're not just clones of what Apple is

1:12:44doing they're doing their own

1:12:45interesting thing and they've generally

1:12:46gotten positive reviews with the sales

1:12:48of them just stink for whatever reason

1:12:49so something more for a horse talked

1:12:52about in his show yeah but I fear the

1:12:54same thing happening for the surface I

1:12:56don't you don't really you don't really

1:13:00fear it at this point I'm kind of

1:13:04starting to feel bad for Microsoft you

1:13:06know I'm an almost entered into the pity

1:13:08phase not quite i guess like I'm still

1:13:10not I don't know I may I'll never get

1:13:12over my Microsoft related childhood

1:13:15trauma maybe I'll just just never just

1:13:17never recover from it but

1:13:19I applaud like I applaud anybody doing

1:13:22interesting stuff in technology and they

1:13:24are doing interesting stuff and I don't

1:13:26know how I square that with my continued

1:13:29staunch refusal to buy microsoft game

1:13:31console but i don't know i was thing i

1:13:35would buy service i'm saying if someone

1:13:36gave me one to review i proved you

1:13:37wouldn't talk about it but if not i'll

1:13:39have to go like i saw when i was in the

1:13:40mall same mall trip they had this was

1:13:42before the pricing and availability had

1:13:44been announced they had a kiosk thing in

1:13:46the middle of the mall like a gigantic

1:13:48kiosk like the size of a small store

1:13:50instead of just one little thing that

1:13:51was like a square of countertops

1:13:53microsoft surface coming soon big sign

1:13:55like you know popped up in the central

1:13:57part of them all and i assume like well

1:14:00you know i haven't heard about anything

1:14:01about service availability but obviously

1:14:03it's going to be coming out sometime

1:14:04soon because you don't put up the kiosk

1:14:05in the mall as the thing is imminent and

1:14:06sure enough couple days later

1:14:08announcement of pricing availability and

1:14:09they talked about these pop-up stores

1:14:10where obviously the market a few

1:14:12microsoft stars are out there are going

1:14:13to have them but where else might you

1:14:15see them i guess they don't have enough

1:14:17confidence in the retail channel to just

1:14:19say oh I'll just you know go to Best Buy

1:14:21and look somewhere and you'll find the

1:14:22surface thing sitting on some terrible

1:14:24counter next to a bunch of you know

1:14:25saying we're gonna make our own little

1:14:27things in the mall temporarily we're not

1:14:29going to rent out space we're just gonna

1:14:30you know put it up the big kiosk and

1:14:32everyone come take a look at the surface

1:14:33thing in the holiday season while you're

1:14:35walking around maybe on your way to the

1:14:36apple store stop off and look at these

1:14:38tablets I think that's a good idea for

1:14:39Microsoft and I think that is probably

1:14:40the only way I will find in touch one is

1:14:42to go to that kiosk in the mall although

1:14:44I would like to believe that i'm not

1:14:46actually going to enter them all again

1:14:49the rest of the year but i know that's

1:14:51not probably not the case cuz you don't

1:14:53want to be in the mall from holidays you

1:14:56know pretty much have to stop going to

1:14:58the mall before October's over yeah like

1:15:01Halloween is closed now that's Christmas

1:15:03that's it yeah all right so I'm gonna

1:15:07squeeze in this last one maybe not

1:15:08squeeze it and maybe maybe I will

1:15:10squeeze do my normal short show reneging

1:15:13and go long we'll see okay because I

1:15:15assume next week we're gonna just be

1:15:17talking about the ipad junior just the

1:15:19whole time same i'm doing for you i'm

1:15:20giving you a couple of a few more

1:15:22instances of hearing your favorite term

1:15:24before it fades away love it and if they

1:15:27actually call out that you should you

1:15:28will have the most triumphant episode of

1:15:30hyper critical yeah if they yes the

1:15:32title that i will let you

1:15:33choose a title of the episode it will be

1:15:35something on siracusa County bridges

1:15:37something we'll have a parade for you it

1:15:40will be you'll be your greatest victory

1:15:41and we're fairly confident it's not

1:15:43gonna happen oh yeah all right Twitter

1:15:48app.net and all this stuff like that I

1:15:50talked about the last show that I wanted

1:15:51to discuss based on what Merlin had said

1:15:54on his show about how he uses these

1:15:56services and how he fused them and his

1:16:00problems with them and stuff like that

1:16:01and as I said before this may be a

1:16:02repeat topic but i think it has some new

1:16:05angles on it based on the emergence of

1:16:07app that net and stuff like that i'm

1:16:10gonna try to open how i get value out of

1:16:12Twitter and app net okay that doesn't

1:16:14mean that how i do it is how you should

1:16:17do it this is not a prescription to say

1:16:19here's how you use these things i'm just

1:16:21going to describe how i use them and

1:16:22hopefully by explaining what i do maybe

1:16:25you can see a way that you can get value

1:16:28out of it even if it's not the same way

1:16:29oh alright so i use Twitter a lot i

1:16:34still use Twitter a lot even when the

1:16:36app that net days it is the most common

1:16:38thing I do on my computer after email

1:16:41and web browsing in fact i would if you

1:16:44saw the breakdown i wonder if it you

1:16:45know it might be encroaching on those

1:16:47two things it is almost entirely

1:16:49replaced RSS even though i still using I

1:16:51newswire to read news I do it a lot less

1:16:53and a lot of people are surprised by how

1:16:57much I use Twitter and they've you know

1:16:58i've been using twitter since january

1:17:002007 so for a long time now and i would

1:17:04mention that i use Twitter a backbend

1:17:06and people would say what is twitter and

1:17:07of course now they don't say that

1:17:08anymore but they may be surprised that

1:17:11someone like me would use it because I

1:17:12guess Twitter gets kind of getting the

1:17:14same rep is like Facebook you know like

1:17:16a like the popular service site number

1:17:18why but you're supposed to be a computer

1:17:19in your don't you something nerdy it's

1:17:20like well yeah I do use out done that

1:17:21but anyway ah like it but at this point

1:17:25it used to be people would say twitter

1:17:26what's that I'd have to explain to them

1:17:28well you know explain the whole deal and

1:17:29try to explain and then like I don't

1:17:31really get it but now everybody knows

1:17:32what Twitter is uh they just like at

1:17:36this point they've tried it probably

1:17:38once or twice and there's like I just

1:17:39don't see the point and then they keep

1:17:40seeing people using it and they come

1:17:41back to me a year later are you still

1:17:42using Twitter and then they they're like

1:17:44well maybe I should try it again and

1:17:45they go try it again like no

1:17:47I don't get it and they just they feel

1:17:49like we should be revisiting this thing

1:17:51because people that they whose Tekkit

1:17:53pains they respect use it but every time

1:17:55I try just doesn't seem like it I got

1:17:58some feedback about the like I've tried

1:17:59use Twitter and it's just not for me and

1:18:02like and that'll be fine then a year

1:18:04later they like maybe I should try it

1:18:05again maybe it'll be different this time

1:18:06and the same thing happens right so I

1:18:08think they're people out there who feel

1:18:09like they should use Twitter or should

1:18:10like it and just don't every time they

1:18:13do use it it's kind of like Facebook in

1:18:15that well the difference is that i know

1:18:17everybody uses facebook and i know

1:18:18everyone looks at me as an alien because

1:18:20i don't use facebook but I feel no

1:18:21compulsion to go back to and say

1:18:23something I'm missing in facebook now I

1:18:24I have the confidence to know that my my

1:18:27selection of not using facebook at all

1:18:30is the right one for me but with Twitter

1:18:32people seem it because it seems so

1:18:34lightweight it's like you're committing

1:18:36to anything big maybe she's trying it

1:18:37just doesn't give them any value oh so

1:18:40here's here's how i use it em that the

1:18:43things to remember about twitter the

1:18:46first thing about twitter is that

1:18:47Twitter is in public yes there are

1:18:50direct messages where you can send a

1:18:52message to somebody that no one else can

1:18:53see except for the recipient but i am

1:18:55generally terrified of direct messages

1:18:57and I think for good reason like I

1:19:00prefer one-to-one communication to you

1:19:03to using 121 protocols email and its

1:19:06normal form as one to one instant

1:19:08messages one to one because if you make

1:19:10a mistake when you're sending an instant

1:19:12message or an email worst case scenario

1:19:14your private communication goes to one

1:19:17incorrect person if you make a mistake

1:19:19with a twitter d.m the result is that

1:19:22you show your thing to the entire world

1:19:24right and I have enough followers to

1:19:26know that even if I just reach for that

1:19:28delete button in hit the second after I

1:19:29do it someone caught it it's in their

1:19:32client it's cached you know they got a

1:19:34screenshot of it like it no direct

1:19:37messages may exist but like I'm so

1:19:39scared every time I use one that I'm not

1:19:41using the client correctly is the client

1:19:42giving me feedback that I'm sending a

1:19:44direct message you can just type dspace

1:19:45username space something else but if you

1:19:47have a space before the Dior you miss

1:19:48type the Dior when i type that DS it's

1:19:51really how it's going to work or this

1:19:52one of those clients is just going to

1:19:53post it to my public timeline of tweet

1:19:55that says dspace something else right I

1:19:57do not you know I'll do you know

1:20:00private messages amongst people that are

1:20:01inconsequential if someone sees them but

1:20:03I just prefer not to show anyone else

1:20:04but nothing really probably goes over

1:20:06there so the bottom line is that Twitter

1:20:07is a public thing and this is the first

1:20:10thing that people I think have to

1:20:12understand about Twitter because

1:20:13facebook is not public in this way now I

1:20:15know there's always crankiness about

1:20:17Facebook oh it's making everything

1:20:18public and it's got the kind of the same

1:20:19problem of you it's very difficult to

1:20:21make something private and feel

1:20:22confident that you're doing it correctly

1:20:23and blah blah but Twitter is really

1:20:26public and you have to you have to

1:20:28approach it as like a town square a

1:20:31forum everybody is there everybody can

1:20:35see everybody pretend dm's don't exist

1:20:37if you're using Twitter and using tons

1:20:39of dm's you should really be considering

1:20:41going to IM or email or something

1:20:44different that's better suited to that

1:20:46because you will end up sad eventually

1:20:48you will end up said if you're using

1:20:50Twitter direct messages extensively so

1:20:54given that it's a public thing should it

1:20:57be used as a broadcast medium like it

1:20:59can be you can use it like a blog you

1:21:02can say ah here's the thing it's in

1:21:04public I'm going to share my opinions or

1:21:06my you know my insights into the world

1:21:08and I'm gonna put them out there forever

1:21:10just like you would if you posted to a

1:21:11blog I'm got a tumblr page I'm going to

1:21:13post my thoughts here everybody can see

1:21:15it now same thing with blogs be like

1:21:17livejournal where you could limit your

1:21:18audience to just certain people and

1:21:20really tightly control it or whatever

1:21:21but in general blogging and Twitter you

1:21:24can use them as a broadcast medium to

1:21:27speak to the entire world right and what

1:21:30happens next in twitter is interesting

1:21:31more a different than what happens in

1:21:33blogging is because what happens next on

1:21:36twitter after you have opined to the

1:21:38world is that you get replies from the

1:21:41world and the replies are in the exact

1:21:43same format and on equal footing with

1:21:45the original the replies are not like

1:21:48that you reply to a tweet with a tweet

1:21:50it's it's a more bounce format then I

1:21:53write a big blog post and if you're

1:21:55lucky on my site you get a little

1:21:57comment form and your stuff is down at

1:21:59the bottom or you can reply in your blog

1:22:00and try to somehow point your blog at my

1:22:03blog as people know that you're

1:22:04responding to me and with links

1:22:05everything like that and Twitter is

1:22:07exactly equal footing for the initiating

1:22:09event and the subsequent ones and

1:22:10eventually it blends into a single

1:22:12stream of soft touch

1:22:14such that there is no clear initiating

1:22:16events such as a blog post with a series

1:22:18of comments on it and it feels more like

1:22:20more egalitarian more like a

1:22:22conversation because the original person

1:22:25and the responders are all in equal

1:22:26footing it eventually it's not clear

1:22:28who's who and it's just one big long

1:22:29thing right now using Twitter as a

1:22:33broadcast medium has similar problems

1:22:34that is blogs with comments because you

1:22:37know you if you say something its

1:22:39controversial or people don't like you

1:22:40then you get a bunch of people replying

1:22:42saying you're a bad person or whatever

1:22:43and you get you know trolls in the

1:22:44comments and you're you know it's the

1:22:45same type of thing in practice I find

1:22:48it's not as bad as blog comments first

1:22:51of all because only people who follow

1:22:52you see your tweets so in theory people

1:22:57are following you because they're

1:22:58interested in what you have to say yeah

1:22:59they're not gonna accidentally wander

1:23:01across your Twitter stream like like a

1:23:02wander across your blog is it just

1:23:04happened to be linked for something

1:23:05they're reading something they're

1:23:05reading and they go all this guy's

1:23:06totally wrong about that in there a big

1:23:07jerk to you that won't happen in Twitter

1:23:09unless a bunch of people like rting you

1:23:11and stuff like that or retweeting you

1:23:12but in general it keeps your audience

1:23:16smaller to the people who have expressed

1:23:18an interest you 140 characters keeps the

1:23:20crazy tamp down a bit too because crazy

1:23:23people like room to stretch out like

1:23:25they like to have just big unbroken

1:23:26paragraphs of like text like from the

1:23:28notebooks in seven right that's fine you

1:23:31know and having to be you know having to

1:23:33be evil it's a whole bunch of evil it

1:23:35just doesn't fit into 140 characters and

1:23:36yeah they can spam you with replies and

1:23:38stuffing you can block them and stuff

1:23:39like that but it it's not as bad as blog

1:23:41comments so that's one way that you can

1:23:44use Twitter and that I do use it a

1:23:46little bit as a broadcast medium they

1:23:47call it microblogging right this is this

1:23:49is micro blogging I'm doing its blogging

1:23:51and this term sounds like one of those

1:23:53you know douchey terms that you

1:23:55shouldn't use or whatever but I think

1:23:56it's an apt term here because it

1:23:57expresses that you're doing something in

1:24:00public in small doses I like it because

1:24:02it's a way to get my thoughts out

1:24:03quickly you don't have to like oh I got

1:24:05to make a blog post and I gotta pull up

1:24:06for him to put it in I got to write it

1:24:08up and then I'll spell check it and then

1:24:09I'll read it over and it's like no just

1:24:10fire it off get my thoughts out of my

1:24:12head quickly and easily and incidentally

1:24:15are there's I think I said our past

1:24:16shows I like blog comments cuz I like

1:24:18getting feedback I don't you know the

1:24:20negative aspects of blog comments yeah

1:24:22they exist but i think the positive far

1:24:24outweighs the negative i like getting

1:24:25comments i like mrs technik stories

1:24:28love reading the comments from the ARS

1:24:29technica has very high quality

1:24:30commenters and readers so maybe that's

1:24:33not the norm and maybe if I was posting

1:24:35at some place else I would just say all

1:24:36comments are worthless but I like good

1:24:39comments so I like the fact that

1:24:41comments quote unquote two things that I

1:24:43say on Twitter have equal footing with

1:24:45me and it becomes interesting exchange

1:24:48and if you have enough followers and I I

1:24:51do you can learn a lot from the replies

1:24:54because the people who follow you know

1:24:56things that you don't are smarter than

1:24:57you are have experiences that you don't

1:24:59have and their replies can give you lots

1:25:01of information the same thing reason I

1:25:02like comments you learn a lot from

1:25:04reading the comments reading the replies

1:25:05dear to your stuff so that's so micro

1:25:08blogging is one way to use Twitter one

1:25:10way that I do use it another possibility

1:25:14another thing that I've heard talked

1:25:15about and then I do a little bit is

1:25:16small group communication so it's where

1:25:19twitter is like a low room where you and

1:25:22your friends or other like-minded people

1:25:24like your clique or whatever hang out

1:25:26and talk with each other right and that

1:25:29you know that the Twitter salad days

1:25:31when it was all just nerds and we all

1:25:32knew each other that you've talked about

1:25:33on other shows that Merlin has talked

1:25:35about a lot of people talk about all

1:25:36back when it was just the Nerds 2007 you

1:25:39know even 2006 like everyone was an

1:25:43entrepreneur was just us and it felt

1:25:44like a small tight-knit community like

1:25:46it was a club and it's just you know it

1:25:48was comforting to be in a place with

1:25:50people like going to be house like gonna

1:25:51packs for you maybe not even that big it

1:25:54was praxis is big but yeah and a lot of

1:25:59people have been owned the end of those

1:26:00days right I wasn't it great when we all

1:26:03knew each other and uh and it was like

1:26:07it was like we were all hanging out kind

1:26:09of more like more like a single thing

1:26:10conference type of thing where you know

1:26:12by even going there it's like certain

1:26:14type fuel or a self-selecting to be in

1:26:15this group and you can just talk to

1:26:17everybody even wwc is kind of like that

1:26:19where you know it's in public like when

1:26:23you're at singleton you're in public and

1:26:26everyone is there in a big room and

1:26:27you're kind of talking but it's not like

1:26:29in public public your boss isn't there

1:26:31right your mother's not there maybe your

1:26:35wife's not even there like it's not it's

1:26:37just you and some group that you're

1:26:39hanging out with it's not totally in

1:26:41public so

1:26:41a slightly less publican and people

1:26:43don't like it when that changes because

1:26:45if they like that kind of atmosphere and

1:26:46then eventually everyone's on Twitter

1:26:47your boss is on Twitter your boss's boss

1:26:49here your in-laws your mother your wife

1:26:51your friends everybody's there so

1:26:52there's public in this public public and

1:26:55I think no medium that is public like

1:26:58this can ever stay in those small group

1:27:02communication salad days they just it

1:27:04just can't it you know app.net is a

1:27:07great example because right now app that

1:27:08net is in its salad days it's a bunch of

1:27:09nerds who paid 50 bucks all hanging out

1:27:12in a room right even even charging fifty

1:27:16bucks at a certain point of app that

1:27:17notice it continues to live on as a

1:27:19thing these salad days are going to end

1:27:22because I have people who have fifty

1:27:25dollars to use the FDLR site as an

1:27:27example that is not a very particularly

1:27:30fine implement with which to divide up

1:27:32the population there is a huge range of

1:27:35people who might be willing to pick a

1:27:36few dollars and they're not all in your

1:27:37little clique right eventually those

1:27:40days will end so if you if you like that

1:27:42that's what you want is a place for me

1:27:45and my friends and other people to hang

1:27:46out uh and we want to keep it like that

1:27:49like I don't mind if we all hear each

1:27:51other I don't mind if like you're a

1:27:53friend of your friends friend here's me

1:27:55but I don't want like the entire world

1:27:57to be there don't use twitter and app

1:28:00that net enjoy it while it lasts because

1:28:02i have to assume that will eventually

1:28:03end there as well because any public

1:28:05thing even if it's publican takes fifty

1:28:07dollars eventually you get the whole

1:28:08cross-section of you know not maybe had

1:28:11the whole cross section of the site with

1:28:1250 bucks thing but you will you will get

1:28:14people who are outside what you consider

1:28:15to be your circle ah it will just you

1:28:19know even if it's up other people who

1:28:23have similar interests but not quite the

1:28:25same and you don't know them and you're

1:28:26not connected to you in any way suddenly

1:28:28you're in there in there in there as

1:28:29well it's not going to last if you want

1:28:31that try something like glass board

1:28:32which is uh Brent Simmons new

1:28:36application / service where you can make

1:28:38a private well I know you describe

1:28:40Glassport it I'm uses have used a lot in

1:28:43converses I have not used it a lot it's

1:28:46it's sort of like your own private idaho

1:28:49/ twitter experience that you can kind

1:28:54of invite people

1:28:55two and then you tweet and you can post

1:28:59little things and it's pretty cool I

1:29:02mean I could if you are trying to keep

1:29:05track of folks at a conference and you

1:29:07don't know where they're going to be and

1:29:08they all have the app then it's sort of

1:29:11golden because if you have ever been to

1:29:13one of these conferences where there are

1:29:15a whole lot of people and they're all

1:29:16trying to meet up and it's not organized

1:29:17and you see them on Twitter like

1:29:19everybody's Twitter experience is kind

1:29:21of delayed and different and you know

1:29:23one person might not get a notification

1:29:25that everyone's supposed to meet up here

1:29:27at a certain time and it becomes very

1:29:29very confusing glass board fixes all of

1:29:31that and it can email you and anyway

1:29:33it's very cool I have not yet had the

1:29:36opportunity to really use it at one of

1:29:39those crazy conferences but if we go to

1:29:40South by this era I think it's sort of

1:29:42mandatory like you can't function in it

1:29:44in a conference at bay maybe I'll use it

1:29:46just with you at packed just you and me

1:29:48make our own glass boardroom yeah and

1:29:51the reason you can't use Twitter for

1:29:52those things and believe me I've tried

1:29:53is that your Twitter timeline is like

1:29:56you don't unfollow everyone just for a

1:29:58conference your timeline is filled with

1:29:59tweets from people who aren't at the

1:30:01conference did you know people just

1:30:02snarking about things at the conference

1:30:05commenting on the you know WOC keynote

1:30:07talking about stuff like that in if

1:30:09you're trying to find in that mix like

1:30:10we're just trying to arrange where we're

1:30:12going to meet for dinner today I can't

1:30:13find this in my giant timeline of stuff

1:30:14if you have glass board the glass port

1:30:16literally is that little private room

1:30:18it's it's invite-only you invite the

1:30:20people you want and you have this place

1:30:21where you can go you can have separate

1:30:22glass boards for like the last word for

1:30:24what bar we're going to ignite the glass

1:30:26board for where we're going to meet for

1:30:27lunch in separate rooms you know with

1:30:28separate sets of people and it's like

1:30:30purpose-built private rooms it means

1:30:32it's basically like if you imagined a

1:30:35private IRC channel combined with the

1:30:37Twitter type GUI and client application

1:30:38experience and the ability to put post

1:30:41pictures and all sorts of stuff like

1:30:42that so that's not what Twitter is there

1:30:45are other things for that but if you try

1:30:47to use Twitter like that or if you try

1:30:48to say Twitter was good when it was like

1:30:50that and now it's not good anymore now I

1:30:51like app net right if app done it

1:30:54survives that Thun s not gonna be like

1:30:55that either because at night is also in

1:30:57public so to speak and eventually that I

1:31:00believe that public will get too big for

1:31:02you and small group communications are

1:31:06different than then ones that are

1:31:08totally in public

1:31:09everyone's aware that what you're saying

1:31:14in a small group uh you know on Twitter

1:31:16like business does happen if it's like

1:31:18me like say it's like me and the other

1:31:19incomparable guys talking about some

1:31:21topic that you know I we talk about

1:31:22Glenn Glenn Fleischmann was recently on

1:31:24Jeopardy so we're all talking about

1:31:25Glenn's appearance on jeopardy right

1:31:26that suddenly feels like oh it's small

1:31:28group communication on Twitter because

1:31:31it's just like the people who know Glenn

1:31:33talking about his appearance with a

1:31:34couple of ancillary other people like

1:31:36what could you have that place take

1:31:37place in glass bored you could but like

1:31:39when that small group communication when

1:31:41those little groups appear and disappear

1:31:42on Twitter everyone who's participating

1:31:44that discussion is aware that it's

1:31:46taking place in public and everyone is

1:31:49more or less on their best behavior so

1:31:51you're not too familiar with someone

1:31:52you're not revealing private information

1:31:54because even though you feel like it's

1:31:55just us talking at all you know the

1:31:56friends of Glenn talking about his

1:31:58appearance you know there's an extended

1:32:00fringe there and you know that everyone

1:32:01else is watching you and everything you

1:32:03say can be seen so you behave

1:32:04differently than you would if you were

1:32:06in the glass board totally differently

1:32:07uh you put your best foot forward in

1:32:10general I see these pressures as a good

1:32:11thing these kind of spontaneously mini

1:32:14groups that form and Twitter about a

1:32:15particular topic you know whether it's

1:32:17people who knew no Glenn or fans of sons

1:32:21of anarchy because you're watching it in

1:32:22your live tweeting and suddenly a little

1:32:24micro bubble pops up around you and the

1:32:26people who follow you and the people you

1:32:27know and like talk about this one thing

1:32:29and then and then dissipates but during

1:32:30that whole thing everyone is aware that

1:32:32they're talking in public and those

1:32:34pressures are good because I think it

1:32:37makes people a little bit more civil

1:32:38than you would be if you were in a like

1:32:40a glass board room and you know the

1:32:44pressures that it applies that I mean

1:32:45that guess is bad precious as well like

1:32:46sometimes people feel pressured to

1:32:48entertain other people when they're in a

1:32:50small group communication they nose in

1:32:52public but like the question is why do

1:32:55that why have these spontaneous small

1:32:57group communications on Twitter rather

1:33:00than having them in glass part why

1:33:01didn't we make an incomparable or

1:33:02friends of Glenn glass board and talk

1:33:04about the g everything why did we do it

1:33:05in Twitter and it's kind of the same

1:33:07reason I've talked about in past shows

1:33:08why I don't want usually want to answer

1:33:10one person's email that asked the common

1:33:13question so someone emails me they ask

1:33:15some question that lots of people want

1:33:17to know rather than answering that one

1:33:19person I'd rather wait until the podcast

1:33:21comes along

1:33:22and talk about it there because then I

1:33:24can answer everyone who had that

1:33:25question or or for example tweet about

1:33:27it if a bunch of people are sending me

1:33:29you know @ replies rather than at

1:33:30replying them on Twitter for the

1:33:32individually each one I'll make a public

1:33:34tweet that answers everyone's question

1:33:35and I I generally prefer to have a lot

1:33:39of conversations in public because so

1:33:42that's what that anyone who is watching

1:33:43anyone who has interest in these parties

1:33:45can benefit from the exchange whether

1:33:47that benefit is being entertained

1:33:48because like you know you know

1:33:49everyone's watching so you everyone

1:33:50tries to make the funniest quip about

1:33:52Glen being on jeopardy or something

1:33:54right you're you're delivering

1:33:56entertainment value to someone

1:33:58presumably are trying to are trying to

1:34:00one-up each other or whatever like that

1:34:02you know or just they want to know

1:34:04what's going on in that circle they

1:34:06don't know you personally didn't know

1:34:07Glen personally but maybe listen is

1:34:08being comfortable or maybe they read

1:34:09your blog or you know they're following

1:34:10you for some reason maybe they'd like to

1:34:12see you interacting with your friends

1:34:14about something because they can gain

1:34:15something from that exchange that's

1:34:17creepy in real life like if you're

1:34:18hanging out at a conference and you're

1:34:20talking like a little circle and it was

1:34:22like a bunch of guys like on the side

1:34:23like looking at you but now looking at

1:34:25you but listening to you but looking

1:34:26like they're not listening to you and

1:34:27that happens in real life right and like

1:34:30that's creepy in real life but I feel

1:34:32like on Twitter like that's that's the

1:34:35way it's supposed to work because I

1:34:36don't know that you're there like

1:34:38listening like we're all aware that even

1:34:40I feel like if you're in a circle a

1:34:42bunch of people talking at wwc and

1:34:44someone's like creeping and listening to

1:34:46you you're kind of skeeved out by that

1:34:47and you like it right but on Twitter I'm

1:34:50like that's where this should happen

1:34:51because we're all wrong we're all aware

1:34:53that it's happening there whereas when

1:34:54were in that circle WC we feel like we

1:34:56are expressing by showing our backs to

1:34:58you that we would like to discuss things

1:35:00probably we don't think you should be

1:35:01used rocking but on Twitter we're all

1:35:02like at least I think everyone's on

1:35:05board with this like I know that you're

1:35:07watching me and listening to this

1:35:08conversation in hang with my friends I

1:35:09want that to happen I'm aware that's

1:35:13happening my behavior is based on the

1:35:15supposition that that's happening I'm

1:35:17not offended that you're listening to

1:35:19this that you're listening in on our

1:35:20thing because it's not really private uh

1:35:23and so like if if you ever had that

1:35:26compulsion I think we've all had our so

1:35:28famous person over there whenever

1:35:29they're talking about with another

1:35:30famous person right but you know you

1:35:31can't do it cuz it's creepy twitter is a

1:35:33place where you can do that and it's the

1:35:35appropriate

1:35:36orem because it's not being creepy like

1:35:38everyone is everyone has agreed by

1:35:40tweeting publicly than anyone who wants

1:35:42to follow them can unless they've been

1:35:43blocked or whatever you know plus or

1:35:46minus the abuse factor there uh and so

1:35:50this is kind of this is why I follow

1:35:51people who I don't actually know a lot

1:35:54of people look at my follower list like

1:35:55do you know all these people and like I

1:35:56know a lot of them but some of them I

1:35:58know nothing about except for like that

1:36:00I've read their blog once or you know I

1:36:01don't know how to pronounce their names

1:36:03or something right cuz I like to see

1:36:05their conversations in public right uh

1:36:07and even if they're not engaging with me

1:36:10directly I can learn from their how they

1:36:13engage with the other people who follow

1:36:15them who I also happen to follow like

1:36:17you know so overlapping circles Venn

1:36:19diagrams I don't know you but I'm

1:36:22interested in what you do and I do know

1:36:24that guy you just replied to like your

1:36:26your friend of a friend of a friend and

1:36:28you can see those in twitter if you if

1:36:30you follow the friend that they replied

1:36:31to or you can just look through their

1:36:32timelines and so they have debates for

1:36:34people that are they swap links with

1:36:35each other or voice their opinions on TV

1:36:37shows or current events you know I will

1:36:39dig into those conversations with my

1:36:41Twitter client and see the replies that

1:36:43I wasn't seeing cuz I don't follow the

1:36:44people that ever adjust and that helps

1:36:46me learn things get to know the person

1:36:48that maybe i don't know maybe maybe I

1:36:50found somewhere that someone who I want

1:36:52to know and i'll introduce myself next

1:36:53time i see them or whatever right that's

1:36:55one of the reasons i follow people i

1:36:56don't know because it's the what i feel

1:36:58is the acceptable version of you know

1:37:01what would be creepy in real life

1:37:02because that's what twitter is all about

1:37:03now I've set a few times I'm past shows

1:37:06that Twitter is who you follow and that

1:37:08it's essential to cultivate a set of

1:37:11people that you want to follow and

1:37:12that's not easy to do like people here

1:37:16that like oh great well so if I get some

1:37:17sort of gold instead of followers I'm

1:37:19going to be entertained or educated or

1:37:22both or interested or whatever I think

1:37:25the tricky part about finding people to

1:37:26follow is the people you follow are not

1:37:29necessarily your favorite people your

1:37:32best friends people you admire people

1:37:35whose work your respect people who you

1:37:37know personally people you've ever

1:37:38spoken to people who have spoken to you

1:37:40that is not necessarily who you follow

1:37:42yeah maybe some of your followers are

1:37:43those people but don't pick your

1:37:44followers based on anything other than

1:37:48whether you think they'd be value

1:37:50to follow on Twitter and that's hard for

1:37:51people to do because they like all this

1:37:53is my best friend I have to follow them

1:37:55on Twitter but if they just tweet a name

1:37:56things that you're not interested in

1:37:57don't follow them on Twitter right be

1:38:00ruthless about who you follow and

1:38:01unfollow it's not friending you are not

1:38:03divorcing yourselves friend wise from

1:38:06someone if you don't follow them Isis

1:38:08this is your opinion man but what if

1:38:09there are other people who feel

1:38:11differently about it I mean then they're

1:38:13gonna take it personally like oh I

1:38:14followed him and didn't follow me back

1:38:16like what a jerk well is this your same

1:38:18take you where you have your email

1:38:20response where like someone writes you

1:38:21an email and they can spend an hour

1:38:23writing it and it can be two pages long

1:38:24and like you'll read it but you don't

1:38:26feel any obligation to respond to it if

1:38:29you if you want to have a to get value

1:38:32out of Twitter you can't treat it like

1:38:33that like that that is hampering that

1:38:35may be a lot of the why people try to

1:38:37join Twitter and find that interesting

1:38:38because they feel compelled to like

1:38:40follow their friends and their friends

1:38:41just tweet a name things if if that's so

1:38:44if you feel like that's the social

1:38:46contract between you and your friends

1:38:47then you're stopping yourself possibly

1:38:49from getting value out of Twitter if you

1:38:51want to yeah you know feel like it's

1:38:54something that you want to do and you

1:38:55know it's not like you have to use

1:38:56Twitter like but I so many people this

1:38:58is why people keep coming back to they

1:38:59see so many people who who are busy

1:39:01people who have many options who are a

1:39:02technology savvy who would use it so

1:39:04much like why are they using I think

1:39:06it's because the people who do that have

1:39:08found a way to get a value out of it and

1:39:09I think it you have to you can't view it

1:39:12as a bidirectional friend relationship

1:39:14because that's that will kill they will

1:39:17kill Twitter for you it will make it so

1:39:18you don't check it at all so yeah you'll

1:39:20be safe in these relationships with this

1:39:21person who doesn't understand Twitter

1:39:22and think so you didn't you're not

1:39:23following me that means you're not my

1:39:25friend or you don't like the things I

1:39:27tweet and I'm personally insulted well

1:39:28then you cure that by saying okay fine I

1:39:30follow you but now I'm never going to

1:39:31check twitter again because I can't

1:39:32stand what you tweet like it has no the

1:39:35people who I follow and unfollow I'm

1:39:36constantly changed now listing has

1:39:38nothing to do with how much I do or

1:39:39don't like those people or know them or

1:39:41anything like that is everything to do

1:39:42with what they tweet and just because it

1:39:44doesn't mean like I don't like the

1:39:45things you tweet I disagree with the

1:39:47things you tweet that's not what it

1:39:48means it just means that what I want to

1:39:50see in my Twitter stream is I either I

1:39:52want to be entertained so I fall people

1:39:53who are only funny if you're not funny

1:39:54even if you're talking about things I'm

1:39:55totally interested in so what or I want

1:39:57to learn things and I don't care about

1:39:59the guy who makes hilarious jokes even

1:40:00though I find those jokes totally

1:40:01hilarious

1:40:02I just want to learn things like

1:40:03everyone has their mix of what they want

1:40:04to get out of Twitter and you have to

1:40:06deal with your your followers in that

1:40:08manner you can't you can't get them

1:40:10wrapped up in your in your friend

1:40:12relationships and so I feel I feel bad

1:40:14for people who you know have friends who

1:40:17use these services who tell you when the

1:40:18UN follow them because the Twitter

1:40:19service itself doesn't gent like you can

1:40:21basically follow and unfollow people and

1:40:22depending on their notifications they

1:40:25may or may not see when you follow it

1:40:26and I don't think twitter tells you at

1:40:28all when somebody unfollows you so you

1:40:29can silently unfollow and you right heyo

1:40:31but there are so many services that

1:40:33provide that so if you have friends who

1:40:34are like if your mom is like I subscribe

1:40:36to a service that tells me when you and

1:40:37follow you unfollowed me and now I'm

1:40:38disowning you well you've got a bigger

1:40:40problem than Twitter day I feel like uh

1:40:42and that's a shame but like I really

1:40:44feel like you have to you know treat

1:40:48kind of like RSS where r someone doesn't

1:40:51know if you subscribe to their blog by

1:40:52RSS unless you're the only one and you

1:40:54stop in there and there there's just

1:40:55counts down to zero right you know

1:40:58subscribe I'm again RSS is a nerdy thing

1:41:00nerdier than Twitter was but like you

1:41:02would feel no problem with like

1:41:03subscribe unsubscribe like yeah that's

1:41:05not interesting you know you have to use

1:41:06Twitter the same way ah to get

1:41:08value-added but I feel uh and I'm

1:41:11followed by a lot of people that i don't

1:41:12know i mean anybody with lots of

1:41:14followers like you have tens of

1:41:15thousands of followers and you know hey

1:41:17it you don't know that many peoples just

1:41:19not possible so I so people like us this

1:41:20is I'm sure the feedback I get from the

1:41:23show is all this stuff is like well this

1:41:24all works fine if you have 10,000

1:41:26followers but I have five followers so I

1:41:28don't you know it just not apply to me I

1:41:30think all this does apply to you you

1:41:32just do have to build up that follower

1:41:34list because even though I have

1:41:35thousands and thousands of followers I

1:41:36only follow like 100-200 people

1:41:38something like that for years I was

1:41:40trying to keep it under 100 i originally

1:41:42broke through because I follow a lot of

1:41:43really low volume accounts right uh but

1:41:45I think you can find a hundred people

1:41:48that you're interested in start by going

1:41:50to want to find one friend see who they

1:41:52follow and just follow the chain around

1:41:53and trim and revise or whatever you can

1:41:55eventually maybe you won't have to make

1:41:57followers is you know someone who has

1:41:58their own podcast but you will be able

1:42:01to follow as many people that's another

1:42:02mistake I see people making they follow

1:42:03700 people like they have 150 followers

1:42:06and I follow 700 people that that's not

1:42:09a good balance you're not you're not

1:42:11going to be able to use Twitter you

1:42:12anything of value is going to be drowned

1:42:13out in the noise you're just gonna stop

1:42:15using a pizza just

1:42:15like a bunch of chatter all right so

1:42:17since I'm followed by a bunch of people

1:42:19that I don't know I feel a

1:42:21responsibility to provide something of

1:42:24value to them not because I'm like

1:42:26trying to preserve my follower account

1:42:27because my father camp does not you know

1:42:29that in dollar fifteen you can ride the

1:42:30subway I don't get it Fowler account

1:42:32right like it's not like there's no

1:42:33prize for my follower count is is

1:42:35miniscule compared to like actual famous

1:42:38people and even like you know actual

1:42:39famous mac nerds and stuff you know it's

1:42:41not it's not about ego not like oh god I

1:42:43can't lose a follower but the people who

1:42:45do follow me I do feel the same way you

1:42:48know said I don't feel any

1:42:48responsibility to reply to every 1z mail

1:42:50I do really sponsibility to read it it's

1:42:52just that I can't reply to everybody and

1:42:54same thing with people who follow me on

1:42:55twitter it's the reverse relationship

1:42:57you know I they followed me expect

1:43:00because they know like I'm the guy who

1:43:02has that podcast or he complains about

1:43:03things or he's the guy who does that Mac

1:43:04os10 review or you know they they know

1:43:07me in some way or he's the guy you know

1:43:09I use one of his perl modules or

1:43:10something right they have some

1:43:11expectation when they follow me and I do

1:43:14feel some responsibility to provide what

1:43:18I think they expect now I didn't have to

1:43:20go that way I could say what I use

1:43:22Twitter for is I just make jokes I'm an

1:43:24amateur stand-up comedian and even

1:43:25though you know me in real life as you

1:43:27know a computer guy or a plumber all I'm

1:43:28going to do on twitter is make jokes or

1:43:30maybe all I'm going to do in twitter us

1:43:31talk about woodworking right you would

1:43:33learn that pretty quickly after

1:43:34following me and you go okay well this

1:43:35isn't what i expect that i follow this

1:43:36guy who does the mac OS 10 reviews that

1:43:38I read I thought he'd be talked about

1:43:39Mac nerd stuff but he does right so I'm

1:43:41not saying you have to do what you

1:43:42people expect but I think you should

1:43:44decide what it is that you think you're

1:43:46doing rhetoric on what I've decided that

1:43:47I'm doing is trying to make the people

1:43:52who follow me because they know of these

1:43:54few things that I'm somewhat well known

1:43:56for not be shocked by what I think if

1:43:58you're interested in Mac nerd stuff you

1:44:00follow me you're gonna see some mac nerd

1:44:01links if you're interested in games and

1:44:03you know that I'm a gamer because you

1:44:04heard me you know do journey podcasts

1:44:06and stuff like that you're gonna see me

1:44:07talk about game stuff like if you know

1:44:09me from the Pearl world occasionally I'm

1:44:11going to mention pearl or UNIX your

1:44:12things that are related to that and so

1:44:16you know the first that micro blogging

1:44:17is part of that i have a blog but i

1:44:20rarely post in it but i do have a

1:44:22twitter account and i do micro blogging

1:44:23there and I

1:44:24micro blog about Mac nerd stuff unix

1:44:27stuff star wars video games like what

1:44:29you would expect right so I feel like

1:44:30the people who are following me they may

1:44:32not they may not be interested enough to

1:44:34keep following me but they shouldn't be

1:44:35shocked by what by what they get out of

1:44:36it right second I do try to engage with

1:44:39interesting replies it's kind of like

1:44:41email like I read all the replies but I

1:44:43can't reply to all I can't individual

1:44:45engage with every single person I'm not

1:44:46a customer service department I can't I

1:44:48can't you know take every request in a

1:44:50queue and go through individual

1:44:51conversations it's just not possible

1:44:52right but if someone says something

1:44:55interesting to me I'll reply to them I'm

1:44:57not like you know on the no reply top

1:44:59nothing is worse than following somebody

1:45:01with a lot of followers on Twitter and

1:45:02they never say anything interesting

1:45:06related to their topics like so say

1:45:08they're like a famous athlete and never

1:45:09talk about sports right and all they say

1:45:11is like what I had for lunch and

1:45:13complaints about the traffic and weather

1:45:14and then occasionally they show whatever

1:45:16it is they're currently doing you know

1:45:17by my new movie watch me in the new game

1:45:19or whatever they never engaged with

1:45:21anyone you don't even think they even

1:45:22look at their @ mentions they never I

1:45:24reply with anybody that is the worst

1:45:26like a lot of celebrities are like this

1:45:28and like I kind of feel from them in

1:45:29there probably not tech savvy and they

1:45:30have bazillions followers instead of a

1:45:32couple but I've tried to follow a lot of

1:45:35severed ES and I've unfollowed them

1:45:36because if they if I follow like a

1:45:38famous chef and they never wants to eat

1:45:40about food like that's not what I was

1:45:42following you for unfollow right they

1:45:44may you know and all they tweet about is

1:45:46like you know human-interest tweets

1:45:48everybody has food here's what I had for

1:45:50lunch everyone doesn't like traffic and

1:45:52what's the weather like today like why

1:45:54am I even following you because i'm just

1:45:55so because you're famous I won't hear

1:45:57what you think about the heat wave of

1:45:58New York City know uh so unfollow that

1:46:01person don't keep following them it's

1:46:02like oh but I really like him maybe you

1:46:04love him maybe you love his restaurants

1:46:05but don't don't keep following on

1:46:07twitter if he's not tweeting about that

1:46:08right and the people who don't engage

1:46:10say they do tweet about like whether you

1:46:11know you follow some person in the tech

1:46:13world and they tweet about the tech

1:46:15world and you're excited by that but if

1:46:16they never engaged with anybody like now

1:46:18I like I'm just reading their blog but

1:46:21their blog is really poor because a

1:46:23hundred and forty character blog post is

1:46:25not good but if it sets off in exchange

1:46:27with a bunch of people that exchange

1:46:28could be good so I'd rather read that

1:46:30long form blog but if they're not doing

1:46:32that like you know so I feel like I have

1:46:35responsibilities to engage with people

1:46:36who piqued my interest so I

1:46:38read all the replies and if someone says

1:46:39something interesting or has an opinion

1:46:41that I want to engage with or provides

1:46:43new information or even it was just

1:46:44someone who says something nice you

1:46:46wanted to say thanks you know glad you

1:46:48liked that thing that I did you can't do

1:46:49that for everybody but uh if it takes

1:46:52two seconds to do why not like I don't

1:46:53want people to think like who's that

1:46:54he's the guy who never replies to

1:46:57anybody who never engages I'm much more

1:46:59likely to reply to you and Twitter than

1:47:00I am to answer your email just because

1:47:02it says so much lower volume right uh

1:47:05and when I engage with those people who

1:47:07reply I don't know these people I've

1:47:09never met them before they've been

1:47:10sitting there lurking following me for a

1:47:11month a week a year who knows and I

1:47:14happen to touch on the one topic that

1:47:16they are like you know not the world

1:47:18expert on but know a ton about that's

1:47:19awesome for me that's you know that

1:47:22that's an amazing experience where I'm

1:47:24getting it information from someone who

1:47:26had never would have met in real life

1:47:27who never would have you know interacted

1:47:29with in any way who has been silently

1:47:31following me for such a long time

1:47:32they've come upon the one topic they

1:47:34happen to really know about and they can

1:47:35teach me something we can have a

1:47:37conversation about it I and I can in

1:47:38turn pass on their knowledge the other

1:47:41people who follow me and those other

1:47:42people can discover that person that's

1:47:43you know I know a lot of people who yeah

1:47:45that's all things like if someone if a

1:47:47famous person that mentions you

1:47:48something you get tons of followers or

1:47:49whatever that's probably a bad

1:47:51phenomenon let's do with bots and spam

1:47:52and stuff like that but I like that I

1:47:54like being able to show that's in here

1:47:57someone who's got an interesting

1:47:59information or opinion or inside and

1:48:01show them to my set of followers right

1:48:04and I'm sure they do the same thing if I

1:48:06say something with interesting sh and

1:48:07show it to their followers right um and

1:48:11the third thing I try to do to deliver

1:48:14some value is I just mentioned as far I

1:48:17do try to answer easy questions like if

1:48:20someone asked me something and I can

1:48:21answer it off the top of my head in a

1:48:23single tweet I answer but I know if I'm

1:48:27famous for this now or infamous for it

1:48:29now I feel like I do it a lot but I do

1:48:31the the one-word reply I do tons of one

1:48:34word replies some people probably think

1:48:36they're rude or it's an affectation or

1:48:38whatever you know some will ask me a

1:48:41question is like you know do you think

1:48:44the the ipad mini pricing will affect

1:48:47how people see the ipod touch and now

1:48:49we'll reply to that person with no

1:48:50period

1:48:51and maybe that seems like it's rude

1:48:54we're like I'm I'm dismissing them or

1:48:56whatever what I'm trying to give them is

1:48:58like I don't have time to like go into

1:49:00you know I've talked about it for 20

1:49:01minutes in the show like I can't do that

1:49:03on Twitter especially can do this just

1:49:04for you and Twitter do you just want to

1:49:05know like if I can answer with a yes or

1:49:08a no or a single link and I have Roth

1:49:11top my head I'll do it just you know

1:49:13just so you feel like you have some

1:49:15engagement with the person right like

1:49:18now there's a limit to that because I

1:49:20get a lot of questions I won't go off in

1:49:22Google something for somebody like a lot

1:49:24of times I'm all askme do you know how

1:49:25to disable this feature in this thing if

1:49:30I don't know it off the top of my head

1:49:31yeah I could probably go google for it

1:49:33but at that point like one of my

1:49:34mechanical turk for your custody for

1:49:36your computer support like just let me

1:49:38just let me just send a question at

1:49:40syracuse a question about my computer

1:49:41and then he will go and google the

1:49:43answer like cuz i could successfully

1:49:44google the answer but I do you know I

1:49:47don't like I used to do that

1:49:48occasionally I'm like what am i doing I

1:49:49have someone mentioned me on Twitter and

1:49:51now i'm going to google to look up the

1:49:52answers of them know so that that can't

1:49:54happen right but all the other things

1:49:57you know where it's something I gitam

1:50:00Utley dunno I feel some responsibility

1:50:01just give them the answer because like

1:50:04maybe you can just giving them the

1:50:05pointer to a link or maybe they don't

1:50:07know what to google for something like

1:50:08that you give them something to go on

1:50:09and you've made their day better in some

1:50:11way and yeah that was just an individual

1:50:13thing and everyone else didn't see it

1:50:14but that I'm willing to do that with the

1:50:16single word things or even it's just

1:50:17like you know I played journey and

1:50:19really loved it thanks for introducing

1:50:20me to it you know say something nice

1:50:22back to that person just just a little

1:50:25thing ah so boy huh yeah this was

1:50:30supposed to be a short show yeah this is

1:50:31add this is one of your epic rants

1:50:33people are gonna love this it's not a

1:50:35rant understood no it's not of course

1:50:37yes so anyway I took to wrap this up I

1:50:40think this this is how I use Twitter I

1:50:43chaima didn't get to talk about app that

1:50:45name able to talk about the next thing

1:50:46the next show to contrast to this with

1:50:49how how I'm using Twitter but I think

1:50:52everybody no matter how many followers

1:50:53they might have Ken Kent doesn't going

1:50:55to have to but can use Twitter in in

1:50:58this way and get the same same type of

1:51:02value out of that I get maybe they just

1:51:03don't want to do that maybe they won

1:51:05use Twitter in a different way which is

1:51:06fine there are many other evaluates do

1:51:08it but this is one possible way and I

1:51:10think the reason people don't have a you

1:51:13know try Twitter and don't like it is

1:51:15because somewhere along the line they

1:51:18they treat it as something it's not they

1:51:20treat it as private communication and

1:51:22they want it to be like a small room

1:51:24where they can listen to people or they

1:51:26don't know who to follow so just follow

1:51:28a bunch of random people in just a bunch

1:51:29of noise and it blends into the

1:51:30background or they don't handle follow

1:51:32unfollow correctly or they have friends

1:51:34who you know as you said like won't let

1:51:36them do follow and unfollow in a way

1:51:38that maximizes their benefit for the

1:51:40service because like that flies in the

1:51:41face of maximizing their the harmony of

1:51:44their personal relationships like their

1:51:46thats where i think a lot of these

1:51:48things fall down and maybe it takes

1:51:50being kind of like a you know a nerd who

1:51:53doesn't have problems with this type of

1:51:56like you know I'm if I'm not following

1:51:58somebody in their hurt by it I don't

1:52:01like I don't I don't feel bad about that

1:52:04it's like that's that's on them but I

1:52:05know that isn't that is probably a

1:52:07typical but it really does help to be

1:52:09able to curate your follow-on follows in

1:52:13a way that gives you value either and

1:52:14decide what you want out of it I decided

1:52:15this is the way I'm going to get

1:52:16thoughts out of my head some people will

1:52:18just you know tell someone in real life

1:52:20some people will write it a notebook

1:52:21some people will write it in a blog I

1:52:23let these thoughts that onto Twitter and

1:52:26I get thoughts to come back and a lot of

1:52:28what happens on the show from week to

1:52:30week is yes is based on the people the

1:52:32feedback people send through the

1:52:33feedback form but a lot of it happens on

1:52:35Twitter like there's just a smart I mean

1:52:37I don't look at Twitter during the show

1:52:39for the most time he's just too busy so

1:52:40I apologize for that sure people are

1:52:42trying to tweet things I'm much more

1:52:44likely to see you if you do that in the

1:52:45chat room but there's a swarm of things

1:52:47happening and after show I go through

1:52:50that Twitter backlog because I do read

1:52:51every tweet ah which is another thing

1:52:53that I really have time to get into here

1:52:54but uh and when I go through that

1:52:57backlog like that's that's practically

1:52:59fault for the next show already like by

1:53:00the time we get off the air there's

1:53:03already follow up cute oh I'd like the

1:53:04whole sometimes all the follow up like

1:53:07during the week that the email

1:53:08Strickland is people watch the show and

1:53:09I gather him up on the Friday before but

1:53:11that experience like I can't imagine how

1:53:15that would work without Twitter because

1:53:16if I just had to go by what people email

1:53:18not that it's a high barrier where

1:53:20people got to go to the forum and type

1:53:21and stuff and they feel like they're

1:53:22riding along from letter and they don't

1:53:23know what to say but the fire off a

1:53:25tweet in two seconds oh you know here's

1:53:26here's looking to top speed we got a

1:53:28veyron super sport and if i think is

1:53:30interesting enough for fall off I've got

1:53:31the link I've got the person to

1:53:32attribute it to it was short you know

1:53:34it's very valuable to me so I know what

1:53:40do you think and what do I think it was

1:53:42an epic rant is this does that come

1:53:45close anywhere close to how you use

1:53:46twitter it's it's similar and the you

1:53:52know your comments especially about how

1:53:54it is it is a kind of a public

1:53:57communication and that you feel that

1:53:58you're on stage I think you really

1:54:00nailed it right on the head there and I

1:54:01think that for a lot of people you know

1:54:05Facebook and Twitter exist and people

1:54:07use both and they use them for different

1:54:09reasons and Facebook is the place you go

1:54:11to like share photos and communicate

1:54:14with people maybe on a more private

1:54:16level and then twitter is this public

1:54:18conversation that is the way that you

1:54:20are you're sort of putting your voice

1:54:22out there it's kind of that it lives in

1:54:24that space between it's like almost in a

1:54:28way it's like terse public emailing and

1:54:30and your one word answer thing like I'll

1:54:32do that a lot because I feel like if

1:54:34people are answering a question and I

1:54:35can I can give them kind of a succinct

1:54:38answer then I do that and then people

1:54:40get upset because they're like well you

1:54:42just said yes well like you asked a

1:54:45question like I said no or yes or today

1:54:48people reply to you and express their

1:54:50anger you sell me one word yeah like

1:54:53yeah I've heard it and I've also gotten

1:54:55like I've been in situations where all

1:54:58and somebody will ask a question on to

1:55:01me on Twitter and I'll answer it with

1:55:03one or two words and like no snow comma

1:55:07sorry period you know like if they say

1:55:09oh can I have this kind of can I have a

1:55:11feed that is just John Syracuse's after

1:55:13dark sand just Merlin's after darks

1:55:15together can I have that and I'll say no

1:55:18sorry you know like I'm not going to

1:55:20write 140 characters explain trying to

1:55:23squeeze the answer of why technically

1:55:26that's not something that we can do

1:55:27right now in to 140 characters like I

1:55:30would love to do that but some

1:55:32times I just can't and at the same time

1:55:34I don't want to ignore them so I'll and

1:55:36then like this is not a true example but

1:55:38I've had times like this and then that

1:55:40person I guess gets upset and they'll

1:55:43email me and they'll say you know like I

1:55:47asked you this question and I didn't

1:55:50mean to upset you and I'm sorry or

1:55:52they'll write and be like you didn't

1:55:54have to be a jerk on Twitter like I just

1:55:56wanted to know this question and you

1:55:58know and so it's like you lose either

1:55:59way and then so sometimes I'm just like

1:56:01why do I even reply because like I want

1:56:04to answer the question but I don't I

1:56:06don't want it to like put someone out or

1:56:07hurt their feelings and I noticed is by

1:56:10the way I noticed it even more if and

1:56:13I've really tried to stop being even a

1:56:16little bit sarcastic on Twitter because

1:56:18especially it seems like we have a

1:56:21really wonderful audience of

1:56:22international listeners and the

1:56:25international listeners it seemed to not

1:56:28understand American or at least our

1:56:31version of American sarcasm at all and

1:56:34even the slightest bit of sarcasm is is

1:56:37perceived immediately as being an on an

1:56:40awful awful person and I've gotten a lot

1:56:43of emails about that because I

1:56:44apparently do that in a I'm a horrible

1:56:46person so I try not to do that and I'm

1:56:48just I'm getting put off by responding

1:56:50like at all unless it's like awesome

1:56:52thanks like even that is you know too

1:56:55much so I don't I don't know but yeah I

1:56:57did when people people are asking for

1:56:59things like they're asking you like

1:57:01that's basically it's not asking you

1:57:02whether something exists like they're

1:57:04asking you can I can you please make me

1:57:06this thing this feed that doesn't exist

1:57:07or whatever yeah and most of the things

1:57:10that I one word reply to our have a

1:57:15lower chance of anger because they

1:57:17aren't asking me for something they're

1:57:20asking me like what is your opinion of

1:57:21this or do you think this so like you

1:57:23know how can I be offended by my opinion

1:57:25do you think the mac mini will come in

1:57:27college just know like one more to

1:57:28answer that's not going to be like how

1:57:30dare you but they've now requested from

1:57:32you like as the proprietor of this thing

1:57:33like please make me this feed and I see

1:57:36why you feel compelled as that because

1:57:37it's you feels terrible to like to see

1:57:40in your stream especially if you're

1:57:41someone like me who reads every tweet to

1:57:42see in your stream a question that you

1:57:44could answer

1:57:45but like just leave them hanging right

1:57:47like like you know that makes you seem

1:57:49like you're one of those people who

1:57:50doesn't who doesn't answer things like I

1:57:52inevitably a half of leave people

1:57:53hanging at some point but that one it's

1:57:55like you can't answer that you know the

1:57:56answer the answer is no like and you

1:57:58can't like you said you can't go into 20

1:57:59minutes about well you know I have to

1:58:01bounce what I do during the day like you

1:58:03know the real reason why you can't give

1:58:05that feels like if you're the only

1:58:06person who wants it becomes popular may

1:58:07be loved but like let me explain to you

1:58:09how to run a business and therefore

1:58:11that's why you don't have this feed like

1:58:12it's not you can't do that in 140 but

1:58:15you can't answer their question which is

1:58:16like you know uh you're not like don't

1:58:19be out there hoping for this thing

1:58:21because it's not going to happen any

1:58:22time than your future and that is hard

1:58:24to pull off in in one word but I have

1:58:27found so far no one not a single person

1:58:29has replied to me and told me I'm being

1:58:31rude with the warmest doesn't mean that

1:58:32like have two people out there don't

1:58:33think I'm being rude with the one word

1:58:34answers but for the most part I have to

1:58:36think it's because the ones I like

1:58:37people don't ask me for stuff the

1:58:40closest has come is like when I've said

1:58:41ahead like these Apple PR pictures that

1:58:43I download everything a lot of people

1:58:45okay can i get that type of thing i will

1:58:48send people like that the email

1:58:50sometimes like you know i'll do a 1

1:58:52reply like i have no way to get this to

1:58:54you it's like 15 gigs uh but you know

1:58:57email me we'll talk about it more and I

1:58:58you know have more email discussions and

1:59:00we'll try some other things whatever is

1:59:02easier to sort that out over email but

1:59:03I'd rather send people off the email to

1:59:05have that kind of actual private

1:59:07one-on-one conversation if I think it's

1:59:08worth having but uh but yeah that's

1:59:11that's a tough that's a tough situation

1:59:12if these are these are you know not

1:59:14first world problems but uh first

1:59:16Twitter world problems for people who

1:59:17have lots of followers doesn't happen

1:59:19regular people aren't going to be asking

1:59:20you uh someone you don't know is i can

1:59:23ask you to pick you up from the airport

1:59:24and you have to say no because like what

1:59:26is the correct one word answer for a

1:59:27stranger saying hey can you pick me up

1:59:28at the airport like uh no I don't know

1:59:31but you are like why would I you know so

1:59:33if some stranger you never know ask you

1:59:35for like hey can you send me a free

1:59:37t-shirt the SP answer but that is

1:59:39probably no like unless like there's

1:59:41some sort of context surrounding this in

1:59:43which I want to give you a free to sure

1:59:44because you're an awesome fan or cuz I

1:59:46like you because we know each other if

1:59:47you've done something cool for the site

1:59:48or whatever they're just out of the blue

1:59:49you come up and ask me for something the

1:59:51one word answer to that is pretty simple

1:59:53and that could make people angry but I

1:59:55think I don't know people can feel free

1:59:58to Twitter reply to me

1:59:59if you've got

1:59:59if you've got

2:00:00no one word answer for me did you think

2:00:01I was being a terrible person by giving

2:00:02it or did you just you know I don't know

2:00:05I'll dwell on this more for next week

2:00:07when I talk about app.net and how that

2:00:10may or may not differ from Twitter and

2:00:12how I'm using that all right so far I've

2:00:14seen you know you I follow you on both

2:00:16of those things mostly because have

2:00:18because your low volume if you had a

2:00:20tremendous volume of tweets yeah unless

2:00:22they were super interesting i probably

2:00:23wouldn't follow because you don't you

2:00:25generally don't tweet unless you have

2:00:26something to say it's not like you're

2:00:27out there going like you know all right

2:00:30going to the office now all right ran

2:00:32over a turtle today like you know you're

2:00:34not just like diary in your life and if

2:00:37something maybe you want a diarrhea but

2:00:38I don't I don't usually follow people

2:00:40who died or glass but you are a low

2:00:41volume but I've seen that you use app

2:00:42that net and Twitter pretty much the

2:00:44same way I see how you where you're

2:00:46applying to the people yeah who want

2:00:47stuff from you yeah and I also see that

2:00:50most of the time it's like you'll save

2:00:51like if you have one interesting look at

2:00:53this big wad of wires but that wasn't

2:00:55like one of 27 posts about about silly

2:00:58things inside the office that day right

2:01:00it's focused and you know obviously you

2:01:02do mix a little bit of business related

2:01:03I do fall to five by five account just

2:01:05because that's also an announcement type

2:01:06account share a car SS yeah but it seems

2:01:09like so far you could think of this will

2:01:10be homework for next week it seems like

2:01:12to me that you were using app that net

2:01:13to the extent that you do use it very

2:01:15similarly to use to Twitter we may be a

2:01:18little bit more willingness to

2:01:19participate but not that much maybe

2:01:20you've just been conditioned by by

2:01:23Twitter taught to be reticent but we

2:01:25have to set up for next week because now

2:01:26we're over the two-hour mark and I look

2:01:28at that 120 right now boom just crossed

2:01:31it yeah another short show for the

2:01:33record books alright well yeah I was

2:01:35good the past like three or four shows

2:01:37are send short shown it was a short show

2:01:38so I'm still I'm it's still on average

2:01:41an accurate prediction if you had the

2:01:44bed and I say it short show bet whether

2:01:45it's gonna be or not you still bet that

2:01:47it will be I happened I think we're done

2:01:49alright so if you would like to interact

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2:02:05that's it the right way of it tents that

2:02:07is okay it's easy to confuse that tendus

2:02:11i'm dan benjamin on twitter dan on alpha

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