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it was like a bunch of guys like on the
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side like looking at you but now looking
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at you but listening to you but looking
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like they're not listening to you and
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that happens in real life right this is
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hypercritical weekly talk show ruminate
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on exactly what is wrong in the world of
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Apple and related technologies and
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businesses nothing is so perfect that it
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cannot be complained about by my friend
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n yurs co-host of the show John siracusa
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I'm Dan Benjamin today is Friday October
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19 2012 to episode number ninety 90 it
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John siracusa of Massachusetts how are
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you today I am just dandy let me ask you
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a quick question before you before you
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dive in mm-hmm this packs thing this
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Boston packs thing yes you go to that
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right I do all right I'm gonna go this
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year you are well I will see you there
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if you are willing to sit on long lines
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or visit me wha set on Long alliance
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because that's what I do it packs as I
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sit online oh yes let's let's do it or
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in line I don't know which one is the
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one that people from New York are
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supposed to say I don't know in mine or
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online what are you going to be doing
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that just visiting for your own
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amusement or are you going to be doing
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some sort of business related stuff I
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have never been to any kind of packs and
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this this seems like a good opportunity
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to both hang out with John Siracusa and
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the Syracuse ins as well as going to a
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really cool thing
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is this the good one to go to or do you
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a my supposed to go to pax West I go to
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this one Union you know I go to this one
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cuz it's in the same city where I live
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and I hate to travel yeah so it's not
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the good it's not really the good one
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yeah pax prime is the west coast one it
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was the first one I'm sure that they
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will say the first is the best and blah
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blah blah from what I've never been
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dating them except for East and having
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but having read a lot about the other
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ones it seems like East has the best
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convention center because we have this
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new gigantic Convention Center and there
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there's actually enough room for 60,000
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people where you don't feel like it's
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completely overwhelmed and I think the
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west coast one like they've maxed out
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their convention center there but it's
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not quite as nice or spread out that is
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my impression from what I've read okay
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but it seems like the same people are at
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both things so you're not like missing
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anybody by going to use to Wes although
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last year Scott Kurtz wasn't at East but
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that was even on vacation in Australia I
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think you would have missed West for the
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same reason all right but anyway I think
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I think you will enjoy it somebody will
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get some tickets if you like waiting in
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line you better hurry up you know that
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are the tickets did you were to get them
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because I think thority the three-day
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passes already media passes are gone but
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that's just a steel you just save you
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save like 30 bucks yeah but if I'm
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flying out there anyway I'm in 30 boxes
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I'll just I just won't eat one day well
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you better hurry up and get the one-day
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passes I'm saying they sell out
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eventually as well I'll get them before
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before the end of the day so what do you
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want to see when you go like besides
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like seeing people other people you know
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waiting in line which isn't that
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exciting what do you want to see at the
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the convention itself well I mean there
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are so many cool things that are going
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on there that they haven't really
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announced what the official schedule is
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but everything I've heard about
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especially from you you talk you've
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talked about this but they have a well
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you know they have one in uh well I
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guess yeah yeah Australia now they're
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going to have one in Australia yes that
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was announced at PAX East or no I PAX
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Prime I believe this year you're
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supposed to have one here coming here
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maybe to texas austin texas i heard i
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think they're doing probably gonna do
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England first or somewhere in Europe
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first cuz the international people are
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tired of traveling to different
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countries to go to these things yeah so
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South anywhere in the south is a is a
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stretch and I like that the first
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question in the
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general faq is can I bring my nerf gun
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lightsaber other weird thing that's the
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very first question in the fact so these
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are my kind of my kind of people I feel
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like I need you know I need to connect
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go to connect with the folks that done
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that I love I don't know if they're your
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kind of people like I didn't touch you a
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lot of people touch each other one no
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and they then they're my kind of people
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they don't recognize me at all which is
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refreshing from in some ways and you
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know so it's a different it's a
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different crowd in that respect but
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they're my people in that they're mostly
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gamers and I identify as a gamer so
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that's why I feel at home but no
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identifies as a game identify as gamer I
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do ah yeah so as we get closer I can
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give you some advice on the on how to
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get in to see the things you actually
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want to see and what you will have to
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sacrifice to do that right okay your
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sanity your your well-being right eating
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or drinking crash it's been a while
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since I've been a Logan though I don't
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know if I can stomach it just may
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remember that you will not get your
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luggage until an hour after you have the
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part of the plan let's just assume that
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going in don't don't like get all mad
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about it just like get out of play and
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say well I luggage will be here an hour
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what should we do while we wait all
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right bringing board games one time I
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was at Logan that's a long story forget
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it it's one time at band camp all right
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let's get into the show here let's do it
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yes time for some follow up follow up a
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few I had a number one with a bullet on
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the last show talked about the magazine
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Marco's new publishing venture and I
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mentioned he had something called the
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feature which was selected items from
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instant paper and things that have been
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Instapaper ah and something else called
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the brief and I said that was part of
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Marcos the empires and I you know what I
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thought that it was too and it turns out
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it he he says it's not yes it's not so
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like I that's what I get for trying to
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do show notes links like in the the 15
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minutes before the show starts he posted
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about it and the brief is a site by
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Richard dumb dunlop Walters who is the
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designer and editor of the feature right
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so Marco pause on his side and right
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those words I'm like oh this must be
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some affiliate thing but it's not it
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just happens to be the same guy who
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designs and edits the feature but the
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brief is his own thing so Marco is in no
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way affiliated with the brief other than
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he knows the guy who made it so full
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credit to Richard Dunlop Walters who has
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a hyphen in his last name and the
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description of this to remind people is
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a daily briefing of technology news
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worth caring about edited by Richard
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Dunlop Walters so there you go i will
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put that in the show notes if it's not
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already there and I apologize for Miss
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tributing that but you can see how i
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would get confused with the the Empire
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the Empire yeah yeah second thing I was
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confused about which I was surprised you
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didn't catch ah was that I was talking
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about your visit to the verge and stuff
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when you went to New York yes oh yeah
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yeah and I said that you had taken a
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picture yourself trying to look like a
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meal dash but yes and it was neil patel
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and i missed it also because I spent so
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much time we had a had a great lunch
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with the Neil out there and and like
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that just it just I just messed up too
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like I should have caught that so
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apologies to both a Neil and Neil I for
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mistakenly and they're nothing like each
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other I mean except for the fact that
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they live in New York both mostly
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apologies to anneal because I don't
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think he would ever dress that way with
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the witness he like dark like that and
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and this is the shades yeah he's much
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too dignified here's an amazing dresser
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I'll tell you what you if you're dude
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and you want to look good the Neil dash
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will set you straight he's the man all
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right well quaffed as you would say some
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tent follow up tent dentists not ten
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Tostan through that's terrible ten
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thought I oh the tent protocol
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decentralized protocol for stuff that
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looks kind of like a planet or Twitter
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or whatever yeah and the eternal debate
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over whether if someone has 30 million
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followers do they have to send out 30
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million HTTP POST request when they make
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a post all their followers see it or if
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users are aggregated if like a whole
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bunch of people are on the 10 is 10
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hosting server yeah you only have to
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send one post request to some URL at 10
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that is and it will make sure that
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everybody who is on
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I ass gets and according to Daniel
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ciders right now it is one post per user
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so you would literally have to do 30
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million posts if you have 30 million
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users follow certain running 30 million
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followers regardless of how many were on
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any individual server but he says a
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future update a tent will optimize
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multi-tenant server communication so
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this is an optimization I have not yet
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made but they are planning on it so
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there you have from the horses now
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actually circling back to the magazine
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one little bit a follow-up on that I
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don't know why didn't I think I did have
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a something I was knighted skipton one
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other interesting thing about the
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magazine which I believe Marco will talk
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about on this week's show because he
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said like last week he talked about the
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magazine and the launch and everything
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and he said this week is going to talk
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about already call it design or
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something yeah and this falls under the
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category of design I guess when you're
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reading the magazine and there's a link
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in one of the articles that you're
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reading you tap it like i said it brings
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up that little side of the last show
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brings up the little one third of the
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screen preview of the link or pop over
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on the ipad but say you decide you want
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to actually go to that link and you tap
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on the title of the link inside the
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that he's like all right no that's
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applications on me uh so he's getting a
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crumbs that let me download it now just
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leave it there case maybe I needed or
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something only works in chrome or
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whatever or safaris Mobile Safari is
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crapping out on me yeah but I don't you
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know there's no it's really iOS is fault
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because there's no way for you to set
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protocols or whatever right but that's a
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shame and I think based on the
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he's going to revisit this policy of
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chrome is installed open your think rum
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try to use it as their main browser
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appreciate this I can see what he's
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going for like isn't that thoughtful it
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knows that I had I use chrome and it you
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know unlike all those other thoughtless
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applications this one opens my links in
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chrome is exactly what I want thumbs up
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the people who just happen to have
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chrome installed they have no recourse
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you know right heavyweight oh let's see
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next bit is on the f-15 believe it or
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not did you see this bit of all I did
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not what is tell me what's going on with
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the f-15 the mcdonnell douglas f-15
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eagle strike eagles and a strike eagle I
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don't know something like that anyway
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Dave M rights in it says on
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hypercritical 86 at some point for god
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knows what reason thank you you asked me
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what I thought the top speed of a Hornet
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wasn't I totally blew it right and and I
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the top speed for what would the f-15
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f-15 like that must have been what you
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listed off like Mach 2 2.5 to be a 15 so
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Dave M rights and to say that the author
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James P Stephenson learned this is not
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exactly true that the f-15s top speed is
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a mock 2.5 in the preface to his book
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which I have linked in the show notes
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called the Pentagon paradox Stevenson
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fly mock 2.5 but this is tactically
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irrelevant and so here are the details
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of this that he's gleaned from the book
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when the air force flew and at 15 at
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Mach 2 they had to make many
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modifications to the aircraft that would
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as removing all weapons including the
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bombs missiles as well as the internal
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immediately before accelerating to mock
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to landing immediately after reaching
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Mach 2 because the aircraft was
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literally out of fuel at that point in
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addition to accelerate to Mach 2 the
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pilot has to hit a button on the control
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stick called V Max and the author learn
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nothing nothing to do with emacs now the
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author learned that whenever the vmax
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button is activated piece times
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regulations say that the engine can only
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before they have to be replaced and
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overhaul as two engines in 15 so the
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conclusion is that the Mach 2 speed is
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only good for air shows for beating
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their Navy counterparts
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for impressing non inquisitive members
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of Congress of course the flip side
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conspiracy theory of this is they'll
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never tell you what the real top speed
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is this is all sandbagging and really
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they don't want that to the Reds the
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Soviets to know what the real top speed
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is but at this point with the Cold War
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long gone I totally believe that this
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type of thing would happen and that they
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would list top speed for bragging rights
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as well where well if cars is a little
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bit different but like the the Bugatti
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Veyron I figure the top speed is like
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158 or something like that it's
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something ridiculously high but to
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actually achieve that speed you have to
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go into a special mode that involves
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like parking the car stopping it putting
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like it's not like putting like the two
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keys like in the submarine thing and
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never turn the two keys at the same time
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and just you know okay I'm going to go
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to top speed run then of course you need
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a fairly straight flat road with no
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potholes that runs for miles and miles
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for you to get up to 258 but technically
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miles an hour if all these conditions
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are met oh and I believe that the Veyron
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runs out of fuel like 10 or 15 minutes
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that speed as well it runs listing the
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the Veyron speeding km/h because of the
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top gear episode yeah we don't we don't
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do that it's miles per hour miles per
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hour King miles are king they always
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will be all right um so I think that's
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it for follow up today that's it yeah
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does you think of something I'm missing
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on the hall and do it's your show no
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let's say I mean 15 minutes is
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reasonable for all up is it not 14
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minutes yeah sure it's gonna be a short
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show you know the drill now right yeah
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will be a short show I do have a sponsor
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before we go on topics I yes I always
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have a sponsor ready to go at a moment's
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notice in the first one today is harvest
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let harvest take care of the back office
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tasks so you can focus on delivering
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your best to your clients what does that
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mean it means they handle things like
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time tracking that's one of the toughest
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things especially if you're you know
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you're in business for yourself or you
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have a bunch of folks who work for you
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you have a team that you want to manage
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their there and in in the office with
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you or their remote doesn't matter you
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know if time tracking was easy everyone
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would do it well that's kind of
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Skol they want to make it easy they want
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to make it something that is simple and
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straightforward so what do they do you
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can start a timer from your web browser
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or bowser you have a desktop they've got
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a mac OS 10 client you can even run it
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on your mobile device so obviously you
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can use a website there you can use the
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iOS app they'll get an app for
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everything these guys and then if you're
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the person who's in charge of keeping
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track of what those people are doing
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they have stuff like visual time reports
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that will help get your project done on
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time and I'll help you keep track of the
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budget how much you're spending what
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you're spending it on you do all this
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stuff and they have professional
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invoices you can send to your clients
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and if you have payment processing stuff
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whether it's paypal or authorize.net
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whatever you can tie it in you can
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accept payment right on your website now
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and is that it's very handy that's how I
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any let you tried three free for 30 days
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if you don't love it you just let the
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trial expire you don't even have to give
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them a credit card I love that too but
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if you do like it and I think you will
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then there's a code for you first of all
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go to get harvest calm / 5 by 5 to
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create your trial when the trial expires
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you want to keep using harvest enter the
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code 5 by 5 a check out you'll get fifty
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percent off your first month no matter
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what plan to pick and that's good
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through the middle of November so do
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this soon go try it out get harvest calm
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/ 5 by 5 the chat room has been
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discussing the veyron David Smith no
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underscore today this is the how do we
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know it's the same dude it's not the
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same dude I think the same one that the
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the veyron super sport does 267 miles
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per hour and the regular 253 in kc list
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secret sequence to achieve top speed of
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the Veyron is it likely there's a
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keyhole in the door jamb and you have to
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put the key into there and twist that
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first and it lowers the suspension and
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prevents the spoiler from just deploying
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does all sorts of other things that
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right important for top speed run hey
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you're on boy that's an ugly cars and
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you know what you know what that looks
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like mmm no not off the top but I rayner
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it's ugly take my word for okay it's a
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shame that the fastest car in the world
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should be so ugly mere decades ago
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mclaren f1
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was not ugly it was also the best card
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now we didn't now we just had the veyron
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it's a shame all right so I had I want
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to talk about Twitter and app.net usage
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and stuff today but to other topics have
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snuck their way in ahead of it oh I
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think the first one wants to talk about
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the October 23rd apple event I don't
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know how much you've talked about this
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on other shows only little we talked
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about an unamplified and I was you know
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I was trying to kind of get out of gym
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what what it might have what else might
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be happening besides the ipad junior but
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he was not really it was not really
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willing to say yeah we should talk about
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that all i'll talk about being the ipad
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mini not junior first and then impede
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other things okay so close it oh noes
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october twenty third this is the apple
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event that we're all expecting to happen
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in october biz like they're going to do
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one for the iphone 5 and then in october
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there's gonna be another event and
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that's what they're going to introduce a
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little ipad so people were getting
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worried that like you know we haven't
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heard anything and it's getting into
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october now when are they gonna announce
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it and then there was the you know maybe
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this just not going to be an October
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event which I have to say I was starting
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to get on board with that because as
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October wore on and there was no
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announced I'm like maybe they just
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didn't make it for the holidays and
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they're just gonna have to wait till
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next year and then at the ridge next
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year would be like march or something
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you know because you have to like you
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have to give a grace period around
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Christmas so that people don't hate you
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because they you know i got an ipad 3
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for christmas and then like in january
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gonna make it and I can't imagine that
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event and say and this stuff isn't
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shipping until the new year because that
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would be death and it would be
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incredibly stupid an apple does not do
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that so they've got something to
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announce that's going to show up for the
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holiday season this year we all assume
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one thing is going to be a smaller iPad
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which we've been calling the iPad Mini
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or the ipad junior or whatever this is a
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10 a.m. pacific time in san jose some
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san jose because they usually have their
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events in San Francisco but you know I'm
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so this is another case like the iphone
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now right we have spyshots speculation
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about the specs for just every maybe
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it's even been more than what seems like
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forever we've been talking about this
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in right just from like all of us
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obsessing over it and rehashing the
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specs and the price point and stuff like
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that that we're like we've converged on
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something and we all expect to see this
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event on the twenty-third and not be
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surprised right do you do you expect to
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be surprised no anybody know it seems
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like we've all got it nailed down now
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that could be a time for Apple to
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surprise us but you know all right so
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anyway to review what we all think the
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specs are going to be 7.5 inch diagonal
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display at 1024 x 768 which is the
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original iPad and the iPad tues
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resolution that is not retina is 163 DPI
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instead of 264 DPI for the ipad 3 and
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based on our previous hashing this out
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it's like well one all the buttons be
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too small if you take the original iPad
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screen and squish it down to from you
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know 9.7 27.8 so 85 and it reality is
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they won't be too small all will do is
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make the touch targets 44 pixel tall
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touch targets exactly the same size as
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they were on the original iphone it's
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smaller than they are on the current
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crop of iPads but it's not smaller than
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things are on the iphone so it's still
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within apples on self mandated
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guidelines that don't make anything
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that's smaller than 44 points on the
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screen and of course Apple itself
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violates that all the time like the or
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at least visually violates that i'm not
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sure what the actual activated touch
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target areas are for things like
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Notification Center when you swipe that
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down in iOS 5 or 6 the little clear
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targets of revisions or like I found in
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the new in iOS 6 in the new version of
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the app store there's lots of touch
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targets there we did like you want to
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disclose more of a description of a nap
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like a little triangle hanging down from
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any can't like maybe that touch target
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is 44 pixels but big is very real time
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to nail
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I feel like if they are 44 pixels it's
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it's psyching me out to seek to not see
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some 44 pixel tall point tall box that I
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have to hit and I have to like you know
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I came just for that word yeah but
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anyway basically we've all agreed months
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ago that this screen that we're talking
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about if it is a reality fits within all
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the guidelines it doesn't doesn't change
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doesn't make things too small to hit
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it's not ridiculous to assume that an
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iPad could be pushed onto a screen this
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size people won't have to write rewrite
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their iPad applications that work as is
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like you know everything's a go there
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there's been some debate about whether
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we'll have Wi-Fi and 4G or just Wi-Fi I
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guess I guess this is my last chance to
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make prediction so I have to give my
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predictions about I believe that screen
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rumor I believe there will be a Wi-Fi
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model and there will be also a model
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that also has 4g why do I think that
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because they've got the chipsets to do
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it and all the ipad line has always had
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this and I think it's great advantage
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and I really hope it has this so it's
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it's fifty percent me hoping that it has
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4g because I love that feature of the
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ipad line I wish the ipod touch hasn't
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had it in fact and the other 50
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percentage has always been that way and
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they've got the parts to do it right
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pricing is the real like the only
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remaining mystery because of course you
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know pricing we don't have much to go on
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there we can't it's not going to be
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there's going to be parts leaks and
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we've seen leaks of the pieces of the
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case in the screen and all sorts of us
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stuff but pricing you know according to
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all these stories we've heard from
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inside Apple can happen really at the
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last minute like nothing you need to
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prepare for you don't need a factory
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forward or whatever someone just decides
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this is the price point then you just
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update all your databases and push it
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out at that price point ah the easy
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answer for pricing the one that getting
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the most supportive it if you just pull
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the entire Mac nerd community is that it
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will be 2 99 for a 16 gigabyte Wi-Fi
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version that I think is the easy answer
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like I don't want to have to put my
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stick my neck out in any way it seems a
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little bit too expensive but then again
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this doesn't apple stuff always seemed a
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little bit too expensive Apple can
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command a premium blah blah blah right
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like this this device presumably
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would be able to command a premium over
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the other devices that are similarly
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sized the nexus 7 the kindle fire stuff
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like that my answer is my conservative
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answer is 249 for a 16 gigabyte Wi-Fi
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model that that's my conservative answer
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because I feel like 299 the whole point
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of this product as far as I'm concerned
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is to hit a price point it's not to make
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something smaller it's not to bring new
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features or anything that it's to hit a
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price point and you know if that's its
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reason for existence Apple can totally
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support a 249 price for the 16 gigabyte
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model and I think that would that would
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make more of a splash that's my my
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conservative answer my optimistic answer
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is 199 416 can go by Wi-Fi I also think
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Apple can at that price that's
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optimistic because just because they can
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hit that price it's like don't we get
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most of the benefit at 249 that we would
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have won 99 because realistically all
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these models have been talking about the
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bottom of the line 16 k by Wi-Fi the
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apples going to upset you know people
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are going to buy the 32 right there you
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know or they're gonna buy with 4G or
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like this this is to get you in the door
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I would love to see a breakdown I don't
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think Apple gives us breakdown cuz its
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competitive info but I would love to see
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a breakdown of how many of the
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SuperDuper low-end do they sell versus
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how many people are they able to upsell
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into like a 32 gig or the 16 gig with 4G
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or whatever right like that gets you in
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the door to say oh you're shopping
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around for Kindle Fire well did you know
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there's a new iPad app it's the same
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price it's not your you're gonna walk
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out with with the iPad it's gonna cost
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you way more than you would have spent
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on it on the kindle fire but it'll get
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you into the store once you see it maybe
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you can you know figured that out some
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people in the chat room and I've seen
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some other people asking about it in a
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gigabyte model I just don't see that
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like the apples getting out of the egg
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egg business and I there would be a
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terrible shame if it did 19 298 gig like
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that's that would be an apple move to
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give you to try to put the low-end
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machine to be a crappy one that no one
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should ever really buy you know like the
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he's holding wouldn't Apple I mean just
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think about this wooden Apple rather
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have something in people's hands even if
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it even if the experience is aunt and
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you know the experience would be fine
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with an eight gig fine what if you're
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you know for a student for afro a junior
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high kid eight gig is gonna be fine I
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disagree i think the
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a gig is just fine i think apple should
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absolutely make one especially
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especially if it gets it into that price
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point because then they can come out and
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say you know what we have a device here
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and the device is good and it works well
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and it's under 200 bucks like that night
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come on it can't happen though because
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like you're right that it's gotta have a
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device for apps and everything but you
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can't do anything with me and it you
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can't have your ID ruins collection on
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there you can t use about a season of TV
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shows modify you know a place to eat
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that's a geek solution there I don't
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feel like people want media like one
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movie blows you and the reason I think
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this is because like we said in the past
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shows storage management on the ipad or
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an iOS is still kind of a pain and geeky
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like there's not a nice experience when
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you fill up your iOS device there's not
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an easy way for you to figure out what
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to do right I can imagine people just
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being like just just fumbling and
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feeling frustrated or whatever and since
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they drop the eight gig models of the
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phones like now the minimum phone is 16
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I've got to think that that wasn't there
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it wasn't their time where the minimum
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ipad was below the minimum phone I made
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me remember i may be misremembering that
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maybe the Jackals can can tell us now
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just like that didn't they duel in a gig
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3gs or something hmm like yeah then i
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think a gig is is it as a non-starter
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and really how much more money do you
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think it costs Apple to get 16 gigs or
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has eight gigs of flash like just in the
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component costs like it's not they don't
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have to put it this way they don't have
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to go eight gig to hit 199 swilling
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onsets Williams says all ipads have
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think i think there is still room for an
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eight gig i would not buy this no one
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should buy it no one but you never know
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and didn't it Horace dead you put up a a
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chart about this that you met did you
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mention that if not we should put that
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in and I thought you mentioned that but
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they came up with a he came up they it's
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a he iOS portfolio price distribution
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and he does in his chart have you seen
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this out well I have not seen how a
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message this to you he tweeted but
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sometimes I don't know if you tweeted it
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but it's going to be in the show notes
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i'm also dropping it into the chat for
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the Jackals
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and I'll put this into the show notes he
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they just feel like we've just got to
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they'll start a 16 but I could be wrong
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sell it for 249 or 199 the the the
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entry-level good ipod touch is 299 let
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me just double check this to keep
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getting the price around but that's
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right isn't it that does sound right to
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me he goes what's look it up ipod the
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way you can see the shows as show notes
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you all of the links and stuff that we
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are referencing so if you want to follow
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along at home you can do it that way
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yeah so the big modern ipod touch the
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one that comes in colors with the tall
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starts at 299 and that's for course for
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the 32 gig on they still sell the old
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ipod touch 4 199 which the small screen
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and and stuff like that so the question
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you possibly sell this bigger thing
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you're selling an iPad a seven point
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eight five inch iPad and you're going to
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sell that for it in my optimistic case a
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hundred dollars less than the cheapest
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modern ipod touch you can get isn't this
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small ipad isn't that just an ipod touch
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with a much bigger screen and battery
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how do you take a device put a bigger
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screen and battery on it and then sell
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it for fifty or a hundred dollars less
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than something else so there's a couple
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of answers that first is we've all been
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talking debating whether the ipod ipad
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mini is going into the bottom line one
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is going to come with eight or sixteen
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but certainly no one thinks at the
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bottom of the line ipad mini is going to
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come with 32 right but the bottom line
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away you got half the memory chopped off
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their right and the memory price doesn't
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increase like linearly it's not like
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when you go from eight to 16 it costs a
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certain amount and then when you double
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again from 16 to 32 across the same
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amount it you know you're adding 16
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component costs especially since then
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you're starting to push up into the
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maximum size of the individual chips
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that can give you I forget how many
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chips these four 32 is a one-chip not be
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one chip at this point but one 32 gig
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chip is way more expensive than then 116
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you know there's space constraints
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inside the ipod touch and stuff like
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that the second thing is the screen on
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the ipod touch i assume will cost more
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than the screen and the ipad mini
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because the screen the ipod touch is
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retina first of all it's really really
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good quality second of all uh and you
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know it's it's it's basically the iphone
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screen and it's a new product like they
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no one has made this screen before in
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these particular dimensions the stock
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pitch with this quality with the
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integrated touch sensor this screen was
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created for the iphone 5 and also the
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ipod touch whereas the screen we're all
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assuming is going to be in the ipad mini
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uses the same display technology as at
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least the same you know pixel size as
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many many press I OS products doesn't
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necessarily mean that this screen wont
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also include an integrated touch sensor
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like it doesn't have to be the same
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exact screen as was in the 3gs or in one
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of these other non retina things just
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scaled up but I have to think that
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they're not going to say you know
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the ipad mini means the iphone 5 quality
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screen they said that about the current
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line of ipod touches they're not going
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to say about this so i think the screen
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even though it's bigger that component
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will actually cost less than the ipod
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touch screen or the iphone 5 screen the
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battery in the mini has to cost more
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just because it's bigger i'm assuming
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there is some premium for
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miniaturization getting a battery a
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small bag or whatever but you know i
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think just because it's going to be so
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much bigger battery has to cost more the
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motherboard the chipset the camera all
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those parts etc I assume they're going
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to be the same as they are and the ipod
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touch i guess they could cheap out by
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making the camera cheaper then they're
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not they're not above doing that they've
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done it with the the ipod and the ipad
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lines in the past right there got to be
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some kind of compromises but i think
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their main compromises that they're
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going to be willing to have much lower
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margins than the low end model and hope
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they sell people the higher end one but
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the main reason that this is not a
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problem for this thing to be fifty or a
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hundred dollars cheaper than the current
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you know best uh you know the colored
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ipod touches i hate the fact that it's
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keep saying that but they keep selling
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the old one the main reason is known as
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cross shopping these devices no one is
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going in and saying i don't know do what
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like if you want a tablet you're not
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shopping the ipod touch and if you want
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the ipod touch you are not shopping that
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tablet you're not going to go in looking
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for an ipod touch and say oh did you
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know for a hundred dollars cheaper you
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can get an ipad you like but i want a
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thing that I listen to music of mine I
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jog or I want a thing that fits in in my
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purse or in my pot like no one is cross
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shopping those devices like it I don't
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even think people will notice it as a
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difference in price and if they do like
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it won't make a difference it's not it's
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not as if this causes some sort of
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consumer confusion and outrage over
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pricing this outrageous how how can this
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ipod touch be so expensive when this
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bigger other thing that is totally not a
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replacement for this product you know so
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I I have no people asked me on Twitter
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and stuff like that how do you think how
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will this affect the pricing of the ipod
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touch how will people react where I
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think the two things have no relation to
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each other in the consumers minds and it
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just won't affect anything and no one
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will care and in in reality like when
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you buy the ipod touch the bottom line
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one is 299 if you buy that that's it
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you're all set like you don't have to go
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okay well really
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double the memory and really I should
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think about getting 3g and you know all
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this other stuff and I should buy a
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smart cover for it and I should do all
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like the ipod touch at 299 that's it
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you're all set that is a very excellent
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device which I'm probably going to get
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you don't need to buy anything for it
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you don't need to think about upgrading
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it where is when you go into the store
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looking for your 1990 249 ipad mini
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first you're gonna be like well maybe I
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should get 3 to negative like well I
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gotta go smart cover forward and what
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should I think about the 3g model the 3g
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is about a hundred bucks more hundred
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twenty-eight well that might be handed
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like you're not walking out of there
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like i think most people are going to
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walk out of the average selling price to
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use a sum a simcoe stuff here is going
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to be higher for the ipad mini despite
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the fact that starting price i think
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will be lower than for the ipod touch
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the name there's another thing that is
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really not that important it's not even
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less important than the price but it's
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one of those things we can't guess that
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because that's something that Apple
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totally can't keep under wraps and they
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do I know you like ipad junior I'm
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hopeful it's not gonna happen but I know
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it's not gonna happen but it won't stop
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me enjoy it for enjoy while you have it
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do you think the mini if you had to pick
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one would you say right now it looks
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like mini is going to be the one that
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people pick I'm more comfortable
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eliminating names and so I'm eliminating
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junior I'm i think i'm gonna eliminate
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air I Gruber just posted that he thinks
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its air I I believe in his philosophy
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about this thing being thin and light
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and I'm sure they will emphasize that I
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still think it's all about price point
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but that's not that's not really what
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you make your ad campaign on ipad the
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new iPad Mini now super cheap like you
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have to say something about and they're
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gonna say look it's light you can hold
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the one hand and read your book and it's
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great for your kids cuz or whatever uh
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but I don't think they'll use the air
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name well here's what here's what he
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one ipad air number two i pad number
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three ipad mini yeah i'll get back to
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air uh ipad with nothing that seems like
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a bridge too far to me but you know like
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we guess that just taking it out of the
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ipad is fine because
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huh I don't know it could happen right
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ipad nano was his third one uh no he
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his ipad 3rd his ipad mini yeah many
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even though i keep calling it that it
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just seems natural for me to call it
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that I have trouble believing the apple
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with naman that so here i have just
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eliminated i think every possible name
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we could think of I don't think is going
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to be the name uh if I had to circle
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back the air I have to think that like
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much Apple not doing it and if I think
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about how they're planning on marketing
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way that they just say let me introduce
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of the ipad as well and say what size
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a macbook pro 13 or is it a 15 or 17
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they don't do they make the Seventeen's
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out the ipad 3 i will find that out yeah
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so it would be so much cleaner for them
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just read the whole line yeah right
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because you know they're like they kind
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all I phones come with lightning
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connectors much like large 16 2012 yeah
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that's the release date for the
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know option one is
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just bringing out the ipad mini whatever
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revved on a different timeline and then
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drop the two which I and replace it with
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lightning connector but how else you
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also have to have other changes is not
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just that it has lightning connector
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some other changes even if it's just
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like you know a die shrink a 5x or
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something like it has to be different
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beyond just the connector just has to be
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yeah you know they want to make it
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thinner if they can or make it lighter
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maybe that's not possible maybe when
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they do the die shrink in the 5x they
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get away with I'm a smaller battery then
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it's back to being thinner like I do not
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devices with the Lightning connector
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like all the new ipods and all not the
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classics i guess but no the ipod nano
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flayed with them now and then it's like
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an hour top of the line ipad as this big
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gaping maw on the bottom of it that you
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jam this horrible looking printer
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parallel port type thing into and like
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how long can you sustain that you know
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it you know all it's got so much a much
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nicer screen and it's fast with all this
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hope they read the three die shrink
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smaller battery lightning connector
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alongside the mini but i think they're
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just going to introduce the mini and let
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those two one sail off into the holiday
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season as is and replace them in march i
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what if they call it the ipad 7.85
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snappy snappy name very catchy yeah as
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Paul Thurrott I don't know how to
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Edwin supersite or something a Windows
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site he loved the new ipad ipod nano
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thinks it's awesome and then you know
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the mac nerd sites are like me pain like
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it's expensive maybe this maybe this one
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was actually intended for windows users
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yeah i don't know if i don't but anyway
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she has a little lightning connector
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thing and so for the ipod touch and the
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iphone 5 now that i've spent more time
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with both of them here's my design
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complaint about both of them about this
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new design access more of an aesthetic
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complaint so the the iphone 4 design
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with the two sort of Oreo cookie pieces
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of black glass or white glass
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sandwiching the that steel antenna band
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that look and also that feel was
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expensive to me like it felt it looked
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felt expensive because the glass was
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nicely curved around the edges and that
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the metal was just kind of uniformly
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colored and you know it just it seemed
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like something that was expensive right
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and the iphone 5 people talked about
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like if you zoom in on it but like a
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microscope is amazing that these these
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tiny little details in the amazing
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precision like that the gaps between the
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little pieces and a little chamfer
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around the edges and everything I agree
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all that is amazing and it's very solid
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because it's a solid back piece and
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everything but the fatal flaw
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aesthetically speaking and feel wise in
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both this and the the ipod touch with
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just as a metal back is the seam that
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goes all the way around the top front of
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the device right so in both cases you
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have kind of like a a one-piece back
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that you know includes both the sides
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and the back and the iphone has the
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glass readings on top and bottom but
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basically for the most of the length of
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the thing a one-piece back that comes up
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and then you have a front plate that's
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put on it and that seam between the
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front plate and the rest of the device
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it's microscopically small like there's
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no gaps in it it's not doesn't it
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doesn't look cheap or anything like that
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but it makes like they're as particular
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on the iphone 5 and even on the touch a
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little bit like the edges of those two
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things that meet those are sharp edges
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they're not rounded and this tiny little
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sharp it like you'd have to look at
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under like a you know a credible macro
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photography to see the tiny right angle
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ledge that exists between the back and
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the front but the result for me is when
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I put it in my hand I find myself
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fingering that seem title in it and it
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bothers me like it feels cheaper to me
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then the you know much chunkier join
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edge between the pieces of glass front
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and back on the other thing and also
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like the lack of symmetry because the
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iphone 4 was always you know so
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symmetrical the front glass the back
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glass same thickness thing in the middle
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obviously that was a much chunkier phone
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but that kind of like a glass and metal
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Oreo cookie of the iphone 4 design that
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really did feel expense it's me and even
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those when it's thinner and lighter and
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you know better in all those ways that
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one that once seemed and it goes all
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around the front edge like i don't know
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what else they could have done because
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it's two pieces right they got away with
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it with the iphone 4 because there was
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three pieces it was the front piece and
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it was all rounded big chunky smooth
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glass and then
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was the metal and then the thing on the
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back and this like they've made that
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same as small as they can possibly make
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it it really is like you can't even
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imagine a fingernail in there right but
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it's just not pleasing to the finger to
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run over that transition and in the
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device i don't have you found this yes
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very much like I don't know if I'm being
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crazy and no no you always identified
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these tiny little things that once you
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talk about them though all of our
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listeners will start to be irritated by
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him yeah like I bet I have to think that
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if you were to talk you know Johnny I've
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or the people who designed this over
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ever the this that like they would
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acknowledge this trade-off in this
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design like yeah the other design hat
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was better in this particular regard in
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terms of the feel of how it feels and
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how it feels more expensive in that
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regarding the iPhone 5 is you know so
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beautiful and finely detailed and
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precise and then you've made that part
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so incredibly precise but like what else
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are they gonna do here like to get the
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old feel for make it a one piece phone
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like maybe this maybe that's the future
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the thing is one piece and they slide
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all the guts into it's sort of like how
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they jam them into the terrible Apple TV
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remote you know the shove all the gut
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since you're the one little opening all
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right maybe they make an iphone there
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really is one piece because then you can
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do all sorts of things like that's the
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thing about the ipod the new ipod touch
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it has the rounded back and the trim
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around a metal back and that feels a
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little better in your hands as well like
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the curves feel a little bit more
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pleasing that's why a lot of people like
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the original iphone because it was
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curved and some degree 2 3gs cuz it was
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curved but i'm not totally saying you
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have to be curved like that's why i'm
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saying the iphone 4 design was
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successful in feeling solid and
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expensive even though it wasn't curved
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even though was kind of awkward in
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squarish or whatever just that the
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transitions felt more expensive and the
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ipod touch like the whole thing is a
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little bit cheaper because it's just got
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the one piece metal back and you can
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tell it's not as beautifully finely
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crafted as the iphone 5 but it's got the
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same scene issue so for me this won't
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make a difference because when i get my
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ipod touch and I do plan to get one but
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I don't have it yet I'm gonna put a big
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silicone case on it that's gonna cover
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up that gap and it's not going to be you
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know I'm not saying this is a reason to
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not get an iphone 5 or ipod touch and
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just you know that's my assessment of
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the design having handle the thing for a
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significant period of time from you know
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friends and families the iphone 5s and
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the ipod touches in store multiple times
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all that and i visited the tesla store
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in our mall too it's very weird
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something only
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Janus cars yeah in a store they know
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they have bad them the Model S there
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they had bidden have the other one there
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was at the Roadster and they had the
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cool disassembled chassis things showing
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like the battery on the floor
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resurrection everything I brought my son
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in there thanking he wouldn't it be cool
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to see like a car disassembled like this
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he was not interested why do you think
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that was I don't know they requires some
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you know maybe the intellectual
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background of like electric cars versus
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internal combustion and what will
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colossally be cool about a car being
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curious about any of these things is
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like yeah I maybe had just been in the
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mall too long at that point that's
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another possibility so it's a family
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picture day we've been there for a while
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that point you do that Sears now I'm not
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serious is a place in the mall they
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should be sponsoring the shop portrait
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simple why are they not sponsor it's
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weird huh yeah but anyway that's one of
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those places whether it's just it's not
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like serious it's just a photographer
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with the handheld camera and a series of
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you know back route back drops and props
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and lighting rigs and all sorts of stuff
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like that we mostly go because we like
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the individual photographer who takes
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our pictures and we always get her to do
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our things so it's more of a personal
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relationship than a business really just
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a trust thing yeah it's very expensive
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to but you know at what price memories
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right beyond sorry I suspect all right
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you want to do our last sponsor you have
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more I don't know how much you know you
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threaten it's going to be a short show
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or 55 minutes in I want to make sure
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that we get that sponsor you tell me you
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tell us they want to do it will do
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whatever you want yeah you should do it
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not just in case just in case hover com
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simplified domain management love these
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guys no regular people think of
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about.com or net or whatever course you
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can register those I like the dot CL I
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like the don TV you can register them
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all you have an idea for a domain name
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you know the exact one you want type it
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into the search box boom you got it
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serious it's not available they'll show
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you some alternatives it doesn't matter
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what you want to do but here's what I
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want to tell you about today because
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obviously the whole experience is geared
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at this place to be simple elegant
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straightforward they do a lot more than
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just the registration part a lot of
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people have domains registered somewhere
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else well if you use the code dan sent
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me you'll get ten percent off a trance
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they do the whole transfer process I've
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seen a bunch of people on Twitter Santa
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me oh I just transferred 10 domains and
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they did the whole thing for me they did
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the whole transfer for me because they
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do that they have a domain name transfer
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valet service you're already a customer
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you still want to use the thing use the
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dan sent me when you renew ten percent
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off and these guys they don't they don't
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hassle you they don't throw tons of
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stuff at you and make you sign up for
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things you don't want they give free who
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is protection so ever you can preserve
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your privacy they have a toll-free
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number to call if you need have you ever
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need help I use their dns I I do there's
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another company that I sometimes use for
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DNS stuff but I'm using them less and
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less these days because the DNS
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management that hover has is really
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really great really easy to use built-in
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free they also do email hosting not free
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but you can still get ten percent off
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dan sent me so check them out hover com
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such dance sent me great sponsors up
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there in Canada and thanks very much
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them for making this show possible
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however okay all right this is related
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the next one is related to the October
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23rd apple announcement and is also an
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announcement that happened this week
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pre-empting other things in my notes
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here I think that this week anyway it's
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the announcement of the Microsoft
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Surface pricing and availability yes sir
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I think it's just for the RT version
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right the one of the arm one uh the
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pricing hang on let me uh let me I'm
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pretty we did we did a show on this that
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put in the show notes the title of it
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was 22 degrees and it was episode 73 of
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hypercritical where talked all about the
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surface yes I do do not see pricing for
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three models 32 gigs for 499 32 gig with
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the bundled with the touch cover which
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has the keyboard ended for 599 and a 64
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gig version also with the touch cover
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for 699 coming pre-installed with office
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2013 home and student beta there you go
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yes and huh if you go back and listen to
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I forgotten already so episode 73 yes
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above 70 322 degrees to hear about
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the hardware specs we spent a long time
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things talked about was how the very
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clever keyboard integrated cover comes
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in two varieties because apparently
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these was best when they call the touch
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cover that has it's very thin as keys on
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it and they did they sense like the
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force of you tapping them but they're
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not like mechanical keys that go up and
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the other one is called the type cover
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which actually is also thin but not
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quite as thin actually has keys that
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move up and down so the touch cover
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separately is 119 99 and the type cover
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is 129 99 alright so and I also beals
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talked about in that show you know why
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aren't they giving us price and
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availability like they said that the
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windows they said that the ARM version
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when does our tea thing will be coming
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out you know sometimes for the end it's
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here and I think they said the the intel
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based one that acts more as a
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traditional PC is coming out sometime
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like months later or whatever alright so
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this Windows RT thing is code for this
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is not going to run all the windows app
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viewers already have because it doesn't
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have an emulation as an arm CPU in there
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microsoft has recompiled obviously
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windows for armed and they've got a
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version of office that runs an arm of
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this thing as well but it is not your PC
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replacement type thing unless you just
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want to do office stuff an email
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whatever you can get away with it's more
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it's more this is clearly the competitor
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with like the iPad so even though on the
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show when we talk about this we're like
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are they competing with this it seems
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like they're competing with the macbook
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air which they're like look you get the
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best of both worlds you get a tablet
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when you want it but you get a really
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lightweight small laptop because if you
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can especially for the Intel one you can
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run all your regular windows software it
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runs windows 8 it's not a separate
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operating system like iOS is runs the
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same Windows 8 that your desktop things
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would run and it's got that you know the
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Metro environment and the desktop
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environment and this weird split and you
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know that the software is still a bit of
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muddle but hardware wise it's like we
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can't price this at seven ninety-nine
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and so will competes with the macbook
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air because it doesn't really because
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this is not it is an ARM processor it's
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not going to run all your your existing
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windows software your kind of starting
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from scratch with this thing I'm giving
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you a boost with the office stuff or
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whatever so the pricing on this is not
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that surprised
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that surprised
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thing and it's hard to even know what to
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compare this to because like what would
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you say is the most comparable other
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thing that people would be cross
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shopping for like the 499 32 gigabyte
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surface when what is that crush opted
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against yeah you know you would think
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maybe a laptop like a true laptop it may
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be like yeah because like Windows
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laptops like they they're cheap
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piece-of-crap Windows laptops you can
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get in for 49 and then it's familiar you
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know what to expect it's got a cd-rom
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drive it's got your VGA port it's got
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all of the things that as a Windows user
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you would expect and they're just gonna
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have massively more storage oh yeah and
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like you can run all your software on it
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so I I mean I I don't think this is
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actually going to be like price-wise it
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seems to be in that ballpark but anyone
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who is looking at this and then
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reconsiders and looks at like you know a
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crappy windows laptop they're not
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they've changed products at that point
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because this is not going to run any of
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your windows games any of your existing
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windows software i might not even have
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mine sweeper in solitaire I don't even
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know yeah but that was like trying to
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get that if we could returned the store
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immediately right and that's the reason
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most people buy like a pc is for
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minesweeper yeah can you get the
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internet on that yeah you can so like
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looking at this against iPads like it's
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not first obviously it's not competing
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as the nexus 7 it's not competing as the
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kindle fire like this is a different
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category of device it's way faster it's
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it's bigger it's you know all those
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stuff it if you look at ipads what is
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the equivalent ipad a 32 gig Wi-Fi only
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because these don't have 4g right so can
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you what if you try to get a 32 gig ipad
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talking about the ipad 3 like the modern
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good one yeah that's that's 599 so your
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hundred dollars more for the ipad right
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so maybe we say okay well that's not
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what you're really competing it's
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because you know what this surface thing
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has a 1366 x 768 screen as a hundred and
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forty-seven DPI it is not the 2048 x
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1536 264 DPI and ipad 3 screen so this
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is kind of a different class of device
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like you're not it it's in between is
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like is it retinas and not read
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it's not really retina but it's also way
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higher DPI then then like a laptop
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screen would be right so but still you
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can say okay that's not the same really
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device so it's not fair let's try the
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ipad 2 can you you can't even get a 32
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gig ipad 2 you can only get it in 16 16
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Wi-Fi only in 16 3 so 16 Wi-Fi only is
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399 so that's one hundred dollars
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cheaper so they've kind of split the
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difference like their bottom of the line
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cheapest surface thing you can get the
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smallest it comes with 32 gigs and it's
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499 and it's a hundred dollars less then
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the cheapest ipad 3 you well actually
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yeah if you're willing to give up
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storage is exactly the same price is the
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16 gig ipad 3 which is 499 right but if
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you want to exactly match the specs the
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closest you can get is you fall between
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the ipad 2 in the ipad 3 and i assume
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the ipad 2 is not long for this world
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like it's probably as the mini comes
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along i expect that ipad 2 to fade away
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and be replaced and then i don't think
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people would be cross shopping the ipad
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mini with this thing because this is
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just going to be ten point six inches
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which is even bigger than the ipads 9.7
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interest mostly because it's 16 by nine
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instead of four by three so the aspect
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ratio is different but i think that's a
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good selling point for customers because
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if you look at an HT movie on a 16 by 9
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screen it's the pictures is going to be
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bigger than it will be looking at the
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same thing on a four by three screen and
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this is one of those things about like
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old people watching standard def content
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under HGTV's but you've all seen people
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who are watching a high-definition movie
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on their iPad on the plane and they have
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zoomed in to fill the whole screen like
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they're making their own pain and
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scandal and there's no panning and no
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scanning they're just chopped they're
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just chopping off the edge why well
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because it's bigger and my kids do it
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too they watch their little things on
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Netflix and like that like why isn't it
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filling the screen like but it would
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chop off the sides I just wanted to fill
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the screen you know what can you do but
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so 16 by 9 is better for that so I think
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this is not going to be shopped against
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the mini it's going to be shopped
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against the big ones now the interesting
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thing is when you start getting into
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these other models here like that 32 gig
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surface for 499 it doesn't come with the
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with the keyboard cover and the first
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surface ad they have is just totally
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emphasizing look at those cool magnetic
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cover and it's got a keyboard built-in
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you can use this thing like a laptop and
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like that's the whole selling point so
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this 499 model is like only suckers
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gonna buy that
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it doesn't even have the keyboard part
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it's like they're selling you half the
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product it seems almost criminal to sell
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it without it because that's its big
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unique proposition yeah I guess yeah
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that it runs windows but like no one
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wants to use that office for Windows RT
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with their finger right I know you use a
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stylus with a null it's just you know
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that the keyboard cover also has a
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little track pad built in by the way and
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I you can also be like so that's the
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whole point so what happens when you get
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the cheapest one with the cover 599 for
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32 gig with with a touch cover and we
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don't know if these subgroup covers are
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any good maybe the touch cover is
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execrable no one should ever buy it or
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maybe that's actually better than type
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cover we don't know because I haven't
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spent time with these things right for
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599 32 gig with a touch cover what's the
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equivalent of that well well geez if you
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want to do something similar with an
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iPad you're already at 599 for 32 gig
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ipad 3 but then you gotta buy the apple
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bluetooth keyboard or something similar
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like 50 or 60 bucks and by the way I
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cover because they're two separate
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things you want the protection so this
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guy's out there with like what I assume
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most people will buy for the surfacers
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be the 598 model with the touch cover
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you've got a tablet with a keyboard and
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a cover in one little package Ryan carry
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around to do the same thing with an iPad
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you've got to get the ipad the cost the
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same amount and then spend 50 bucks for
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the smart cover and you know 70 bucks
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for the apple bluetooth keyboard you
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have this unwieldy thing that you have
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here and the total price for that is 717
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dollars you're starting getting into
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like this is what people really pay for
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ipads like in the real world i think
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very few people just go out of there i
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just want the cheapest ipad and they get
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it they walk out of the store know they
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go by the aisle with the touch cover and
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if anyone is interested in the surface
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it means they want to type something
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it's letting you gotta buy a keyboard
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and then you got to find a way to carry
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the thing with the cover and the
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keyboard alright 699 for the 64 gig
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black touch cover a service thing 64 gig
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ipad again with Wi-Fi only 699 + the
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cover plus the keyboard 817 so it seems
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like the surface for the most part is
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undercutting the ipad 3 if you want to
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do the same things with it which i think
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is a smart move on their point and I
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like these price points that they put in
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the best Microsoft can do and be
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realistically speaking in terms
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what you're actually going to pay you
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will end up paying less money for the
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same capabilities on this thing
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unfortunately perception-wise because
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the numbers line up so much I don't know
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people are going to realize that like
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how much how much do I should think of
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Star Trek everyone I know how much did
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you actually pay for the thing that you
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consider your iPad I mean but nobody
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that we know came out of that store for
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anything with a five in front of it we
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all spent like 600-700 dollars cuz like
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well i'll get the 4g it's a hundred
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thirty dollars more and you're gonna
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everyone bought that stupid smart cover
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for the outrageous price because it's
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just so darn handing and cool even if
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you hate it now you probably bought the
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first one because you didn't know that
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you didn't like it uh people walk out of
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the store paying a lot it's like a car
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dealership you don't get like the base
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model with nothing in it you get the
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options you get the floor mat see
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sometimes do you get the undercoating it
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just happens that's what happens in
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Apple stores you can go in there and has
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come out with nothing you just end up
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with accessory Singh you feel good about
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it when you do it you're like you're
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happy you're walking out that door with
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all your stuff and your accessories you
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shop on an etsy for cool a steam like
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totoro made out of leather and crafted
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by hipsters somewhere like that's what
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happens with the iOS experience like it
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so I really think people if you just
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looked at the numbers like on their
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budget at the end of it you say boy you
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you spend a lot less money than I got
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with the ipad for a device that is
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actually less unwieldy and uh and has
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better capabilities and thanks of the
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ipad 2 is barely in this picture and
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even that's not competitive like if you
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want to get a 16 gig ipad 2 with a cover
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and a keyboard at six hundred and forty
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seven dollars and that's fifty dollars
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more expensive than the 32 gig surface
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of the touch cover so this is just
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hardware specs just prices obviously
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there's so much more to this and that
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like you're getting to buy into the
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whole iOS ecosystem who knows if using
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windows 8 on a tablet will be acceptable
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pleasurable you know understandable to
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anyone at all there are so many unknowns
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that i'm not talking by there but just
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in terms of what kind of hardware do you
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get for your money the service i still
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believe has a very interesting hardware
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proposition and it's like I can be a
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little laptop I can be a tablet I can be
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both I'm a tall one compact unit that is
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assuming those touch covers are worth a
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damn so many those things that you
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I bond are in any way better than an
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on-screen keyboard they've got an
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interesting proposition I think their
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pricing is reasonable but they have a
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big uphill battle to bring their
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currently non-existent arm Windows
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application ecosystem to come anywhere
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close to competing with the massive iOS
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ecosystem but I did spend a lot of time
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staring at these numbers and it would
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feel like they they have done the best
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that they possibly could I'm not I'm not
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Microsoft is nothing to be ashamed of
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with the pricing of these devices they
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may have something to be ashamed of with
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the actual reality and functionality
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these devices but I don't know
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everything dad to that are you gonna eat
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yet yourself a surface I you know I'm
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probably not ever going to get one I do
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like the clicky sound and everyone needs
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the clicky sound but no you got the the
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nexus 7 right I do have a nexus 7 mainly
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because i was there were two reasons
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that I got that one is I wanted to see
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what the modern current android
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experience you know the straight Android
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experience from google i was a very very
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curious to see what they've been doing
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with that because my all of my
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experiences with using android came from
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you know whatever bastardized version of
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android whatever carrier did to it and
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usually that was like verizon so i
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really wanted to see that in the second
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is i wanted to get a preview of what it
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was going to be like to to use the ipad
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air or mini or jr. or whatever it's
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going to be called because that form
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factor is very appealing to me I prefer
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that form factor to the larger form
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factor of the 10 so that that was why
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and it's it's a fine device it's you
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know it's surprisingly good and get
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surprisingly close to the kind of fit
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and finish that you would want from
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apple and I do not really use it and
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it's tiding you over now basically till
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you get your ipad yeah but I don't use
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it much because it's because it's
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Android but now it's good for you know
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if it if there were better email clients
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and please don't email me with the list
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of better email clients on Android I've
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tried like pretty much all of them if it
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had better email the browsing experience
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is just fine you know the the music
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experience is just fine
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but you know I live in a kind of
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different ecosystem but I tried you know
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I just don't use a lot i still use it
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and i love that form factor i mean
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that's that's the winner for me yeah i
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wasn't that interested and even just
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like finding someone who had a nexus 7
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to try it out or anything like that but
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i have to admit i'm very interested to
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see the surface almost to the point
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where i was considering like asking
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microsoft PR if they would send me one
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and I would you know review it on the
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podcast something because I'm very
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curious about this Hardware a lot of the
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stuff about it is unprecedented are very
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interesting like it's from Microsoft
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presses we're construction techniques
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the integrated keyboard the weirdo s
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like it's a lot of intriguing stuff I
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would love to get my hands on one of
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these things then you know play with it
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I have to say that going into it as
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intrigued as I am my assumption would be
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that my review of it would not be good
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but you know I'm curious like I'm very
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interested like I don't my preconceived
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notion is that it's overly ambitious and
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they weren't able to get it done in the
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first try but I do admire the ambition I
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think design is very interesting and if
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it wasn't for all their other handicaps
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I think they would be like the most
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worthy competitor to apple in the tablet
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space by far but they just have so many
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handicaps they're so far behind that it
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you know it's kind of like the Lumia
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phones which most people agree are the
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best most interesting competitor to
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apples phones but they're just there's
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tanking in the market like for a variety
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of other reasons and it's like oh it's a
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shame like you know they're much more
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interesting and innovative and seem like
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they're not just clones of what Apple is
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doing they're doing their own
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interesting thing and they've generally
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gotten positive reviews with the sales
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of them just stink for whatever reason
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so something more for a horse talked
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about in his show yeah but I fear the
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same thing happening for the surface I
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don't you don't really you don't really
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fear it at this point I'm kind of
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starting to feel bad for Microsoft you
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know I'm an almost entered into the pity
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phase not quite i guess like I'm still
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not I don't know I may I'll never get
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over my Microsoft related childhood
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trauma maybe I'll just just never just
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never recover from it but
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I applaud like I applaud anybody doing
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interesting stuff in technology and they
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are doing interesting stuff and I don't
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know how I square that with my continued
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staunch refusal to buy microsoft game
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console but i don't know i was thing i
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would buy service i'm saying if someone
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gave me one to review i proved you
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wouldn't talk about it but if not i'll
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have to go like i saw when i was in the
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mall same mall trip they had this was
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before the pricing and availability had
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been announced they had a kiosk thing in
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the middle of the mall like a gigantic
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kiosk like the size of a small store
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instead of just one little thing that
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was like a square of countertops
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microsoft surface coming soon big sign
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like you know popped up in the central
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part of them all and i assume like well
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you know i haven't heard about anything
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about service availability but obviously
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it's going to be coming out sometime
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soon because you don't put up the kiosk
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in the mall as the thing is imminent and
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sure enough couple days later
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announcement of pricing availability and
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they talked about these pop-up stores
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where obviously the market a few
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microsoft stars are out there are going
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to have them but where else might you
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see them i guess they don't have enough
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confidence in the retail channel to just
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say oh I'll just you know go to Best Buy
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and look somewhere and you'll find the
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surface thing sitting on some terrible
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counter next to a bunch of you know
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saying we're gonna make our own little
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things in the mall temporarily we're not
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going to rent out space we're just gonna
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you know put it up the big kiosk and
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everyone come take a look at the surface
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thing in the holiday season while you're
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walking around maybe on your way to the
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apple store stop off and look at these
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tablets I think that's a good idea for
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Microsoft and I think that is probably
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the only way I will find in touch one is
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to go to that kiosk in the mall although
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I would like to believe that i'm not
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actually going to enter them all again
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the rest of the year but i know that's
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not probably not the case cuz you don't
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want to be in the mall from holidays you
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know pretty much have to stop going to
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the mall before October's over yeah like
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Halloween is closed now that's Christmas
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that's it yeah all right so I'm gonna
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squeeze in this last one maybe not
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squeeze it and maybe maybe I will
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squeeze do my normal short show reneging
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and go long we'll see okay because I
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assume next week we're gonna just be
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talking about the ipad junior just the
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whole time same i'm doing for you i'm
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giving you a couple of a few more
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instances of hearing your favorite term
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before it fades away love it and if they
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actually call out that you should you
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will have the most triumphant episode of
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hyper critical yeah if they yes the
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title that i will let you
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choose a title of the episode it will be
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something on siracusa County bridges
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something we'll have a parade for you it
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will be you'll be your greatest victory
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and we're fairly confident it's not
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gonna happen oh yeah all right Twitter
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app.net and all this stuff like that I
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talked about the last show that I wanted
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to discuss based on what Merlin had said
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problems with them and stuff like that
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angles on it based on the emergence of
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app that net and stuff like that i'm
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gonna try to open how i get value out of
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Twitter and app net okay that doesn't
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mean that how i do it is how you should
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do it this is not a prescription to say
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here's how you use these things i'm just
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hopefully by explaining what i do maybe
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you can see a way that you can get value
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out of it even if it's not the same way
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still use Twitter a lot even when the
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app that net days it is the most common
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thing I do on my computer after email
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and web browsing in fact i would if you
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saw the breakdown i wonder if it you
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know it might be encroaching on those
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two things it is almost entirely
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replaced RSS even though i still using I
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newswire to read news I do it a lot less
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and a lot of people are surprised by how
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much I use Twitter and they've you know
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i've been using twitter since january
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2007 so for a long time now and i would
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mention that i use Twitter a backbend
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of course now they don't say that
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anymore but they may be surprised that
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someone like me would use it because I
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guess Twitter gets kind of getting the
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same rep is like Facebook you know like
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a like the popular service site number
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why but you're supposed to be a computer
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in your don't you something nerdy it's
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like well yeah I do use out done that
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but anyway ah like it but at this point
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it used to be people would say twitter
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what's that I'd have to explain to them
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well you know explain the whole deal and
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try to explain and then like I don't
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really get it but now everybody knows
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what Twitter is uh they just like at
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this point they've tried it probably
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once or twice and there's like I just
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don't see the point and then they keep
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seeing people using it and they come
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back to me a year later are you still
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using Twitter and then they they're like
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well maybe I should try it again and
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they go try it again like no
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I don't get it and they just they feel
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like we should be revisiting this thing
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because people that they whose Tekkit
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pains they respect use it but every time
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I try just doesn't seem like it I got
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some feedback about the like I've tried
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use Twitter and it's just not for me and
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like and that'll be fine then a year
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later they like maybe I should try it
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again maybe it'll be different this time
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and the same thing happens right so I
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think they're people out there who feel
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like they should use Twitter or should
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like it and just don't every time they
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do use it it's kind of like Facebook in
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that well the difference is that i know
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everybody uses facebook and i know
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everyone looks at me as an alien because
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i don't use facebook but I feel no
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compulsion to go back to and say
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something I'm missing in facebook now I
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I have the confidence to know that my my
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selection of not using facebook at all
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is the right one for me but with Twitter
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people seem it because it seems so
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lightweight it's like you're committing
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to anything big maybe she's trying it
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just doesn't give them any value oh so
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here's here's how i use it em that the
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things to remember about twitter the
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first thing about twitter is that
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Twitter is in public yes there are
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direct messages where you can send a
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message to somebody that no one else can
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see except for the recipient but i am
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generally terrified of direct messages
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and I think for good reason like I
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prefer one-to-one communication to you
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to using 121 protocols email and its
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normal form as one to one instant
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messages one to one because if you make
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a mistake when you're sending an instant
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message or an email worst case scenario
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your private communication goes to one
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incorrect person if you make a mistake
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with a twitter d.m the result is that
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you show your thing to the entire world
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right and I have enough followers to
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know that even if I just reach for that
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delete button in hit the second after I
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do it someone caught it it's in their
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client it's cached you know they got a
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screenshot of it like it no direct
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messages may exist but like I'm so
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scared every time I use one that I'm not
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using the client correctly is the client
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giving me feedback that I'm sending a
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direct message you can just type dspace
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username space something else but if you
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have a space before the Dior you miss
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type the Dior when i type that DS it's
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really how it's going to work or this
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one of those clients is just going to
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post it to my public timeline of tweet
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that says dspace something else right I
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do not you know I'll do you know
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private messages amongst people that are
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inconsequential if someone sees them but
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I just prefer not to show anyone else
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but nothing really probably goes over
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there so the bottom line is that Twitter
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is a public thing and this is the first
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thing that people I think have to
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understand about Twitter because
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facebook is not public in this way now I
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know there's always crankiness about
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Facebook oh it's making everything
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public and it's got the kind of the same
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problem of you it's very difficult to
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make something private and feel
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confident that you're doing it correctly
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and blah blah but Twitter is really
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public and you have to you have to
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approach it as like a town square a
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forum everybody is there everybody can
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see everybody pretend dm's don't exist
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if you're using Twitter and using tons
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of dm's you should really be considering
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going to IM or email or something
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different that's better suited to that
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because you will end up sad eventually
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you will end up said if you're using
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Twitter direct messages extensively so
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given that it's a public thing should it
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be used as a broadcast medium like it
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can be you can use it like a blog you
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can say ah here's the thing it's in
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public I'm going to share my opinions or
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my you know my insights into the world
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and I'm gonna put them out there forever
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just like you would if you posted to a
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blog I'm got a tumblr page I'm going to
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post my thoughts here everybody can see
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it now same thing with blogs be like
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livejournal where you could limit your
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audience to just certain people and
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really tightly control it or whatever
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but in general blogging and Twitter you
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can use them as a broadcast medium to
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speak to the entire world right and what
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happens next in twitter is interesting
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more a different than what happens in
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blogging is because what happens next on
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twitter after you have opined to the
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world is that you get replies from the
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world and the replies are in the exact
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same format and on equal footing with
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the original the replies are not like
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that you reply to a tweet with a tweet
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it's it's a more bounce format then I
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write a big blog post and if you're
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lucky on my site you get a little
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comment form and your stuff is down at
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the bottom or you can reply in your blog
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and try to somehow point your blog at my
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blog as people know that you're
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responding to me and with links
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everything like that and Twitter is
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exactly equal footing for the initiating
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event and the subsequent ones and
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eventually it blends into a single
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stream of soft touch
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such that there is no clear initiating
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events such as a blog post with a series
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of comments on it and it feels more like
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more egalitarian more like a
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conversation because the original person
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and the responders are all in equal
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footing it eventually it's not clear
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who's who and it's just one big long
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thing right now using Twitter as a
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broadcast medium has similar problems
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that is blogs with comments because you
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know you if you say something its
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controversial or people don't like you
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then you get a bunch of people replying
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saying you're a bad person or whatever
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and you get you know trolls in the
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comments and you're you know it's the
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same type of thing in practice I find
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it's not as bad as blog comments first
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of all because only people who follow
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you see your tweets so in theory people
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are following you because they're
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interested in what you have to say yeah
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they're not gonna accidentally wander
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across your Twitter stream like like a
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wander across your blog is it just
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happened to be linked for something
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they're reading something they're
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reading and they go all this guy's
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totally wrong about that in there a big
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jerk to you that won't happen in Twitter
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unless a bunch of people like rting you
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and stuff like that or retweeting you
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but in general it keeps your audience
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smaller to the people who have expressed
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an interest you 140 characters keeps the
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crazy tamp down a bit too because crazy
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people like room to stretch out like
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they like to have just big unbroken
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paragraphs of like text like from the
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notebooks in seven right that's fine you
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know and having to be you know having to
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be evil it's a whole bunch of evil it
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just doesn't fit into 140 characters and
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yeah they can spam you with replies and
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stuffing you can block them and stuff
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like that but it it's not as bad as blog
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comments so that's one way that you can
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use Twitter and that I do use it a
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little bit as a broadcast medium they
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call it microblogging right this is this
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is micro blogging I'm doing its blogging
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and this term sounds like one of those
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you know douchey terms that you
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shouldn't use or whatever but I think
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it's an apt term here because it
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expresses that you're doing something in
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public in small doses I like it because
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it's a way to get my thoughts out
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quickly you don't have to like oh I got
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to make a blog post and I gotta pull up
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for him to put it in I got to write it
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up and then I'll spell check it and then
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I'll read it over and it's like no just
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fire it off get my thoughts out of my
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head quickly and easily and incidentally
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are there's I think I said our past
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shows I like blog comments cuz I like
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getting feedback I don't you know the
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negative aspects of blog comments yeah
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they exist but i think the positive far
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outweighs the negative i like getting
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comments i like mrs technik stories
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love reading the comments from the ARS
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technica has very high quality
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commenters and readers so maybe that's
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not the norm and maybe if I was posting
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at some place else I would just say all
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comments are worthless but I like good
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comments so I like the fact that
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comments quote unquote two things that I
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say on Twitter have equal footing with
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just you and some group that you're
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a slightly less publican and people
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if they like that kind of atmosphere and
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then eventually everyone's on Twitter
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your boss is on Twitter your boss's boss
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your friends everybody's there so
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fine implement with which to divide up
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few dollars and they're not all in your
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little clique right eventually those
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days will end so if you if you like that
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that's what you want is a place for me
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out uh and we want to keep it like that
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other I don't mind if like you're a
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end there as well because any public
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cross-section of you know not maybe had
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people who are outside what you consider
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same and you don't know them and you're
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not connected to you in any way suddenly
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you're in there in there in there as
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well it's not going to last if you want
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that try something like glass board
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which is uh Brent Simmons new
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application / service where you can make
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converses I have not used it a lot it's
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it's sort of like your own private idaho
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two and then you tweet and you can post
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little things and it's pretty cool I
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track of folks at a conference and you
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don't know where they're going to be and
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a whole lot of people and they're all
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trying to meet up and it's not organized
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and you see them on Twitter like
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everybody's Twitter experience is kind
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of delayed and different and you know
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one person might not get a notification
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that everyone's supposed to meet up here
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at a certain time and it becomes very
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very confusing glass board fixes all of
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that and it can email you and anyway
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it's very cool I have not yet had the
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opportunity to really use it at one of
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those crazy conferences but if we go to
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South by this era I think it's sort of
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mandatory like you can't function in it
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in a conference at bay maybe I'll use it
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just with you at packed just you and me
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make our own glass boardroom yeah and
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the reason you can't use Twitter for
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those things and believe me I've tried
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is that your Twitter timeline is like
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you don't unfollow everyone just for a
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conference your timeline is filled with
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tweets from people who aren't at the
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conference did you know people just
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snarking about things at the conference
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commenting on the you know WOC keynote
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talking about stuff like that in if
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you're trying to find in that mix like
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we're just trying to arrange where we're
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going to meet for dinner today I can't
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find this in my giant timeline of stuff
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if you have glass board the glass port
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literally is that little private room
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it's it's invite-only you invite the
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people you want and you have this place
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where you can go you can have separate
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glass boards for like the last word for
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what bar we're going to ignite the glass
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board for where we're going to meet for
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lunch in separate rooms you know with
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separate sets of people and it's like
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purpose-built private rooms it means
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it's basically like if you imagined a
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private IRC channel combined with the
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Twitter type GUI and client application
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experience and the ability to put post
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pictures and all sorts of stuff like
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that so that's not what Twitter is there
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are other things for that but if you try
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to use Twitter like that or if you try
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to say Twitter was good when it was like
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that and now it's not good anymore now I
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like app net right if app done it
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that either because at night is also in
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public so to speak and eventually that I
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believe that public will get too big for
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you and small group communications are
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different than then ones that are
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totally in public
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everyone's aware that what you're saying
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in a small group uh you know on Twitter
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like business does happen if it's like
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me like say it's like me and the other
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incomparable guys talking about some
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topic that you know I we talk about
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Glenn's appearance on jeopardy right
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that suddenly feels like oh it's small
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group communication on Twitter because
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it's just like the people who know Glenn
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couple of ancillary other people like
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what could you have that place take
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place in glass bored you could but like
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when that small group communication when
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those little groups appear and disappear
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more or less on their best behavior so
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you're not too familiar with someone
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you're not revealing private information
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just us talking at all you know the
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friends of Glenn talking about his
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appearance you know there's an extended
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fringe there and you know that everyone
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else is watching you and everything you
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say can be seen so you behave
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in the glass board totally differently
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uh you put your best foot forward in
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particular topic you know whether it's
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people who knew no Glenn or fans of sons
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of anarchy because you're watching it in
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your live tweeting and suddenly a little
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micro bubble pops up around you and the
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people who follow you and the people you
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know and like talk about this one thing
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that whole thing everyone is aware that
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they're talking in public and those
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than you would be if you were in a like
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pressures that it applies that I mean
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that guess is bad precious as well like
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sometimes people feel pressured to
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entertain other people when they're in a
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small group communication they nose in
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public but like the question is why do
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than having them in glass part why
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friends of Glenn glass board and talk
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why I don't want usually want to answer
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one person's email that asked the common
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question so someone emails me they ask
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some question that lots of people want
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to know rather than answering that one
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person I'd rather wait until the podcast
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and talk about it there because then I
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can answer everyone who had that
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question or or for example tweet about
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it if a bunch of people are sending me
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you know @ replies rather than at
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replying them on Twitter for the
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individually each one I'll make a public
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tweet that answers everyone's question
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of conversations in public because so
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that's what that anyone who is watching
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anyone who has interest in these parties
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can benefit from the exchange whether
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that benefit is being entertained
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entertainment value to someone
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presumably are trying to are trying to
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one-up each other or whatever like that
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you know or just they want to know
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what's going on in that circle they
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don't know you personally didn't know
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Glen personally but maybe listen is
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being comfortable or maybe they read
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your blog or you know they're following
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you for some reason maybe they'd like to
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see you interacting with your friends
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about something because they can gain
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something from that exchange that's
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creepy in real life like if you're
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hanging out at a conference and you're
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talking like a little circle and it was
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like a bunch of guys like on the side
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like looking at you but now looking at
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you but listening to you but looking
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like they're not listening to you and
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that happens in real life right and like
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that's creepy in real life but I feel
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like on Twitter like that's that's the
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way it's supposed to work because I
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don't know that you're there like
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listening like we're all aware that even
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I feel like if you're in a circle a
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bunch of people talking at wwc and
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someone's like creeping and listening to
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you you're kind of skeeved out by that
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and you like it right but on Twitter I'm
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like that's where this should happen
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because we're all wrong we're all aware
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that it's happening there whereas when
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were in that circle WC we feel like we
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are expressing by showing our backs to
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you that we would like to discuss things
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probably we don't think you should be
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used rocking but on Twitter we're all
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like at least I think everyone's on
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board with this like I know that you're
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watching me and listening to this
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conversation in hang with my friends I
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want that to happen I'm aware that's
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happening my behavior is based on the
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supposition that that's happening I'm
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not offended that you're listening to
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this that you're listening in on our
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thing because it's not really private uh
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compulsion I think we've all had our so
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famous person over there whenever
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they're talking about with another
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famous person right but you know you
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can't do it cuz it's creepy twitter is a
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place where you can do that and it's the
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appropriate
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orem because it's not being creepy like
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everyone is everyone has agreed by
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tweeting publicly than anyone who wants
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to follow them can unless they've been
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blocked or whatever you know plus or
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minus the abuse factor there uh and so
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this is kind of this is why I follow
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people who I don't actually know a lot
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of people look at my follower list like
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do you know all these people and like I
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know a lot of them but some of them I
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know nothing about except for like that
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I've read their blog once or you know I
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don't know how to pronounce their names
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or something right cuz I like to see
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their conversations in public right uh
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and even if they're not engaging with me
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directly I can learn from their how they
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engage with the other people who follow
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them who I also happen to follow like
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you know so overlapping circles Venn
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diagrams I don't know you but I'm
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interested in what you do and I do know
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that guy you just replied to like your
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your friend of a friend of a friend and
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you can see those in twitter if you if
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you follow the friend that they replied
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to or you can just look through their
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timelines and so they have debates for
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people that are they swap links with
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each other or voice their opinions on TV
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shows or current events you know I will
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dig into those conversations with my
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Twitter client and see the replies that
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I wasn't seeing cuz I don't follow the
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people that ever adjust and that helps
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me learn things get to know the person
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that maybe i don't know maybe maybe I
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found somewhere that someone who I want
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to know and i'll introduce myself next
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time i see them or whatever right that's
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one of the reasons i follow people i
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don't know because it's the what i feel
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is the acceptable version of you know
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what would be creepy in real life
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because that's what twitter is all about
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now I've set a few times I'm past shows
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that Twitter is who you follow and that
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it's essential to cultivate a set of
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people that you want to follow and
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that's not easy to do like people here
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that like oh great well so if I get some
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sort of gold instead of followers I'm
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going to be entertained or educated or
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both or interested or whatever I think
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the tricky part about finding people to
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follow is the people you follow are not
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necessarily your favorite people your
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best friends people you admire people
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whose work your respect people who you
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know personally people you've ever
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spoken to people who have spoken to you
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that is not necessarily who you follow
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yeah maybe some of your followers are
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those people but don't pick your
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followers based on anything other than
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whether you think they'd be value
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to follow on Twitter and that's hard for
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people to do because they like all this
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is my best friend I have to follow them
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on Twitter but if they just tweet a name
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things that you're not interested in
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don't follow them on Twitter right be
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ruthless about who you follow and
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unfollow it's not friending you are not
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divorcing yourselves friend wise from
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someone if you don't follow them Isis
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this is your opinion man but what if
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there are other people who feel
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differently about it I mean then they're
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gonna take it personally like oh I
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followed him and didn't follow me back
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like what a jerk well is this your same
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take you where you have your email
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response where like someone writes you
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an email and they can spend an hour
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writing it and it can be two pages long
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and like you'll read it but you don't
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feel any obligation to respond to it if
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you if you want to have a to get value
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out of Twitter you can't treat it like
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that like that that is hampering that
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may be a lot of the why people try to
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join Twitter and find that interesting
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because they feel compelled to like
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follow their friends and their friends
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just tweet a name things if if that's so
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if you feel like that's the social
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contract between you and your friends
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then you're stopping yourself possibly
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from getting value out of Twitter if you
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want to yeah you know feel like it's
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something that you want to do and you
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know it's not like you have to use
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Twitter like but I so many people this
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is why people keep coming back to they
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see so many people who who are busy
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people who have many options who are a
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technology savvy who would use it so
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much like why are they using I think
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it's because the people who do that have
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found a way to get a value out of it and
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I think it you have to you can't view it
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as a bidirectional friend relationship
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because that's that will kill they will
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kill Twitter for you it will make it so
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you don't check it at all so yeah you'll
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be safe in these relationships with this
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person who doesn't understand Twitter
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and think so you didn't you're not
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following me that means you're not my
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friend or you don't like the things I
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tweet and I'm personally insulted well
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then you cure that by saying okay fine I
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follow you but now I'm never going to
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check twitter again because I can't
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stand what you tweet like it has no the
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people who I follow and unfollow I'm
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constantly changed now listing has
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nothing to do with how much I do or
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don't like those people or know them or
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anything like that is everything to do
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with what they tweet and just because it
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doesn't mean like I don't like the
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things you tweet I disagree with the
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things you tweet that's not what it
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means it just means that what I want to
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see in my Twitter stream is I either I
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want to be entertained so I fall people
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who are only funny if you're not funny
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even if you're talking about things I'm
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totally interested in so what or I want
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to learn things and I don't care about
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the guy who makes hilarious jokes even
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though I find those jokes totally
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hilarious
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I just want to learn things like
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everyone has their mix of what they want
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to get out of Twitter and you have to
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deal with your your followers in that
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manner you can't you can't get them
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wrapped up in your in your friend
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relationships and so I feel I feel bad
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for people who you know have friends who
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use these services who tell you when the
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UN follow them because the Twitter
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service itself doesn't gent like you can
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basically follow and unfollow people and
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depending on their notifications they
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may or may not see when you follow it
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and I don't think twitter tells you at
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all when somebody unfollows you so you
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can silently unfollow and you right heyo
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but there are so many services that
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provide that so if you have friends who
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are like if your mom is like I subscribe
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to a service that tells me when you and
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follow you unfollowed me and now I'm
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disowning you well you've got a bigger
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problem than Twitter day I feel like uh
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and that's a shame but like I really
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feel like you have to you know treat
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kind of like RSS where r someone doesn't
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know if you subscribe to their blog by
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RSS unless you're the only one and you
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stop in there and there there's just
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counts down to zero right you know
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subscribe I'm again RSS is a nerdy thing
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nerdier than Twitter was but like you
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would feel no problem with like
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subscribe unsubscribe like yeah that's
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not interesting you know you have to use
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Twitter the same way ah to get
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value-added but I feel uh and I'm
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followed by a lot of people that i don't
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know i mean anybody with lots of
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followers like you have tens of
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thousands of followers and you know hey
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it you don't know that many peoples just
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not possible so I so people like us this
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is I'm sure the feedback I get from the
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show is all this stuff is like well this
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all works fine if you have 10,000
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followers but I have five followers so I
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don't you know it just not apply to me I
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think all this does apply to you you
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just do have to build up that follower
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list because even though I have
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thousands and thousands of followers I
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only follow like 100-200 people
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something like that for years I was
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trying to keep it under 100 i originally
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broke through because I follow a lot of
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really low volume accounts right uh but
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I think you can find a hundred people
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that you're interested in start by going
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to want to find one friend see who they
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follow and just follow the chain around
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and trim and revise or whatever you can
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eventually maybe you won't have to make
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followers is you know someone who has
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using a pizza just
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since I'm followed by a bunch of people
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value to them not because I'm like
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trying to preserve my follower account
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because my father camp does not you know
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that in dollar fifteen you can ride the
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subway I don't get it Fowler account
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right like it's not like there's no
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prize for my follower count is is
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miniscule compared to like actual famous
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people and even like you know actual
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famous mac nerds and stuff you know it's
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not it's not about ego not like oh god I
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can't lose a follower but the people who
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know said I don't feel any
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responsibility to reply to every 1z mail
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I do really sponsibility to read it it's
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just that I can't reply to everybody and
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same thing with people who follow me on
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you know I they followed me expect
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because they know like I'm the guy who
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has that podcast or he complains about
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things or he's the guy who does that Mac
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me in some way or he's the guy you know
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something right they have some
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expectation when they follow me and I do
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feel some responsibility to provide what
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I think they expect now I didn't have to
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go that way I could say what I use
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amateur stand-up comedian and even
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though you know me in real life as you
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know a computer guy or a plumber all I'm
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going to do on twitter is make jokes or
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maybe all I'm going to do in twitter us
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talk about woodworking right you would
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learn that pretty quickly after
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following me and you go okay well this
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isn't what i expect that i follow this
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guy who does the mac OS 10 reviews that
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I read I thought he'd be talked about
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Mac nerd stuff but he does right so I'm
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not saying you have to do what you
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people expect but I think you should
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decide what it is that you think you're
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doing rhetoric on what I've decided that
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I'm doing is trying to make the people
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who follow me because they know of these
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few things that I'm somewhat well known
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for not be shocked by what I think if
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you're interested in Mac nerd stuff you
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follow me you're gonna see some mac nerd
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links if you're interested in games and
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you know that I'm a gamer because you
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heard me you know do journey podcasts
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and stuff like that you're gonna see me
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talk about game stuff like if you know
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me from the Pearl world occasionally I'm
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going to mention pearl or UNIX your
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things that are related to that and so
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you know the first that micro blogging
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is part of that i have a blog but i
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rarely post in it but i do have a
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twitter account and i do micro blogging
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there and I
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micro blog about Mac nerd stuff unix
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stuff star wars video games like what
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you would expect right so I feel like
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the people who are following me they may
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not they may not be interested enough to
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keep following me but they shouldn't be
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shocked by what by what they get out of
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it right second I do try to engage with
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interesting replies it's kind of like
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email like I read all the replies but I
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can't reply to all I can't individual
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engage with every single person I'm not
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a customer service department I can't I
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can't you know take every request in a
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queue and go through individual
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conversations it's just not possible
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right but if someone says something
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interesting to me I'll reply to them I'm
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not like you know on the no reply top
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nothing is worse than following somebody
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with a lot of followers on Twitter and
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they never say anything interesting
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related to their topics like so say
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they're like a famous athlete and never
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talk about sports right and all they say
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is like what I had for lunch and
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complaints about the traffic and weather
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it is they're currently doing you know
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by my new movie watch me in the new game
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or whatever they never engaged with
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anyone you don't even think they even
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look at their @ mentions they never I
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reply with anybody that is the worst
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like a lot of celebrities are like this
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and like I kind of feel from them in
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there probably not tech savvy and they
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have bazillions followers instead of a
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couple but I've tried to follow a lot of
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severed ES and I've unfollowed them
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because if they if I follow like a
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famous chef and they never wants to eat
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about food like that's not what I was
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following you for unfollow right they
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may you know and all they tweet about is
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like you know human-interest tweets
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everybody has food here's what I had for
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lunch everyone doesn't like traffic and
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what's the weather like today like why
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am I even following you because i'm just
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so because you're famous I won't hear
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what you think about the heat wave of
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New York City know uh so unfollow that
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person don't keep following them it's
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like oh but I really like him maybe you
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love him maybe you love his restaurants
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but don't don't keep following on
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twitter if he's not tweeting about that
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right and the people who don't engage
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say they do tweet about like whether you
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know you follow some person in the tech
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world and they tweet about the tech
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world and you're excited by that but if
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they never engaged with anybody like now
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I like I'm just reading their blog but
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their blog is really poor because a
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hundred and forty character blog post is
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not good but if it sets off in exchange
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with a bunch of people that exchange
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could be good so I'd rather read that
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long form blog but if they're not doing
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that like you know so I feel like I have
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responsibilities to engage with people
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who piqued my interest so I
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read all the replies and if someone says
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something interesting or has an opinion
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that I want to engage with or provides
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new information or even it was just
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someone who says something nice you
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wanted to say thanks you know glad you
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liked that thing that I did you can't do
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that for everybody but uh if it takes
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two seconds to do why not like I don't
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want people to think like who's that
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he's the guy who never replies to
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anybody who never engages I'm much more
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likely to reply to you and Twitter than
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I am to answer your email just because
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it says so much lower volume right uh
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and when I engage with those people who
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reply I don't know these people I've
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never met them before they've been
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sitting there lurking following me for a
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month a week a year who knows and I
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happen to touch on the one topic that
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they are like you know not the world
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expert on but know a ton about that's
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awesome for me that's you know that
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that's an amazing experience where I'm
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getting it information from someone who
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had never would have met in real life
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who never would have you know interacted
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with in any way who has been silently
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following me for such a long time
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they've come upon the one topic they
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happen to really know about and they can
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teach me something we can have a
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conversation about it I and I can in
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turn pass on their knowledge the other
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people who follow me and those other
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people can discover that person that's
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you know I know a lot of people who yeah
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that's all things like if someone if a
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famous person that mentions you
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something you get tons of followers or
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whatever that's probably a bad
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phenomenon let's do with bots and spam
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and stuff like that but I like that I
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like being able to show that's in here
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someone who's got an interesting
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information or opinion or inside and
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show them to my set of followers right
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and I'm sure they do the same thing if I
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say something with interesting sh and
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show it to their followers right um and
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the third thing I try to do to deliver
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some value is I just mentioned as far I
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do try to answer easy questions like if
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someone asked me something and I can
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answer it off the top of my head in a
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single tweet I answer but I know if I'm
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famous for this now or infamous for it
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now I feel like I do it a lot but I do
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the the one-word reply I do tons of one
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word replies some people probably think
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they're rude or it's an affectation or
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whatever you know some will ask me a
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question is like you know do you think
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the the ipad mini pricing will affect
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how people see the ipod touch and now
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we'll reply to that person with no
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we're like I'm I'm dismissing them or
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whatever what I'm trying to give them is
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like I don't have time to like go into
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you know I've talked about it for 20
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minutes in the show like I can't do that
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on Twitter especially can do this just
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for you and Twitter do you just want to
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know like if I can answer with a yes or
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a no or a single link and I have Roth
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top my head I'll do it just you know
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just so you feel like you have some
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engagement with the person right like
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now there's a limit to that because I
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get a lot of questions I won't go off in
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Google something for somebody like a lot
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of times I'm all askme do you know how
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to disable this feature in this thing if
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yeah I could probably go google for it
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but at that point like one of my
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mechanical turk for your custody for
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your computer support like just let me
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just let me just send a question at
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syracuse a question about my computer
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and then he will go and google the
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answer like cuz i could successfully
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google the answer but I do you know I
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don't like I used to do that
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occasionally I'm like what am i doing I
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have someone mentioned me on Twitter and
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now i'm going to google to look up the
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answers of them know so that that can't
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happen right but all the other things
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you know where it's something I gitam
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Utley dunno I feel some responsibility
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just give them the answer because like
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maybe you can just giving them the
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pointer to a link or maybe they don't
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know what to google for something like
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that you give them something to go on
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and you've made their day better in some
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way and yeah that was just an individual
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thing and everyone else didn't see it
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but that I'm willing to do that with the
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single word things or even it's just
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me to it you know say something nice
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thing ah so boy huh yeah this was
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supposed to be a short show yeah this is
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add this is one of your epic rants
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people are gonna love this it's not a
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rant understood no it's not of course
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yes so anyway I took to wrap this up I
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think this this is how I use Twitter I
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chaima didn't get to talk about app that
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name able to talk about the next thing
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the next show to contrast to this with
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how how I'm using Twitter but I think
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everybody no matter how many followers
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they might have Ken Kent doesn't going
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to have to but can use Twitter in in
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this way and get the same same type of
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value out of that I get maybe they just
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don't want to do that maybe they won
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use Twitter in a different way which is
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fine there are many other evaluates do
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it but this is one possible way and I
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think the reason people don't have a you
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know try Twitter and don't like it is
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because somewhere along the line they
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they treat it as something it's not they
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treat it as private communication and
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they want it to be like a small room
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where they can listen to people or they
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don't know who to follow so just follow
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a bunch of random people in just a bunch
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of noise and it blends into the
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background or they don't handle follow
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unfollow correctly or they have friends
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who you know as you said like won't let
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them do follow and unfollow in a way
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that maximizes their benefit for the
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service because like that flies in the
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face of maximizing their the harmony of
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their personal relationships like their
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thats where i think a lot of these
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things fall down and maybe it takes
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being kind of like a you know a nerd who
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doesn't have problems with this type of
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like you know I'm if I'm not following
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somebody in their hurt by it I don't
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like I don't I don't feel bad about that
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it's like that's that's on them but I
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know that isn't that is probably a
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typical but it really does help to be
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able to curate your follow-on follows in
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a way that gives you value either and
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decide what you want out of it I decided
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this is the way I'm going to get
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thoughts out of my head some people will
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just you know tell someone in real life
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some people will write it a notebook
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some people will write it in a blog I
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let these thoughts that onto Twitter and
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I get thoughts to come back and a lot of
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what happens on the show from week to
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week is yes is based on the people the
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feedback people send through the
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feedback form but a lot of it happens on
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Twitter like there's just a smart I mean
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I don't look at Twitter during the show
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for the most time he's just too busy so
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I apologize for that sure people are
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trying to tweet things I'm much more
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likely to see you if you do that in the
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chat room but there's a swarm of things
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happening and after show I go through
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that Twitter backlog because I do read
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every tweet ah which is another thing
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that I really have time to get into here
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but uh and when I go through that
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backlog like that's that's practically
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fault for the next show already like by
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the time we get off the air there's
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already follow up cute oh I'd like the
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whole sometimes all the follow up like
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during the week that the email
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Strickland is people watch the show and
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I gather him up on the Friday before but
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that experience like I can't imagine how
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that would work without Twitter because
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if I just had to go by what people email
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not that it's a high barrier where
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people got to go to the forum and type
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and stuff and they feel like they're
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riding along from letter and they don't
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know what to say but the fire off a
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tweet in two seconds oh you know here's
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here's looking to top speed we got a
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veyron super sport and if i think is
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interesting enough for fall off I've got
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the link I've got the person to
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attribute it to it was short you know
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it's very valuable to me so I know what
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do you think and what do I think it was
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an epic rant is this does that come
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close anywhere close to how you use
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twitter it's it's similar and the you
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know your comments especially about how
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it is it is a kind of a public
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communication and that you feel that
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you're on stage I think you really
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nailed it right on the head there and I
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think that for a lot of people you know
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Facebook and Twitter exist and people
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use both and they use them for different
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reasons and Facebook is the place you go
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to like share photos and communicate
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with people maybe on a more private
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level and then twitter is this public
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conversation that is the way that you
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are you're sort of putting your voice
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out there it's kind of that it lives in
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that space between it's like almost in a
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way it's like terse public emailing and
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and your one word answer thing like I'll
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do that a lot because I feel like if
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people are answering a question and I
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can I can give them kind of a succinct
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answer then I do that and then people
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get upset because they're like well you
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just said yes well like you asked a
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question like I said no or yes or today
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people reply to you and express their
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anger you sell me one word yeah like
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yeah I've heard it and I've also gotten
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like I've been in situations where all
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and somebody will ask a question on to
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me on Twitter and I'll answer it with
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one or two words and like no snow comma
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sorry period you know like if they say
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oh can I have this kind of can I have a
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feed that is just John Syracuse's after
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